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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 16, 2018, 08:17:17 PM
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Revealed: The AFL's most talented list
afl.com.au
16 January 2018
RICHMOND will need to produce another September boilover to win back-to-back premierships, according to Champion Data, with the AFL's official number cruncher ranking the club's list as the ninth-best in the competition.
The Tigers are ranked behind 2016 premiers the Western Bulldogs (No.7) and Hawthorn (No.8 ) and but they leapfrog both clubs when lists are narrowed to assess the best 22 players, jumping to seventh.
Sydney has the most talented full list as well as the best 22, while Port Adelaide comes in second for overall list strength after an aggressive off-season of recruiting, ahead of losing grand finalist Adelaide (No.3) and Greater Western Sydney (No.4).
Champion Data compares players in the same position and age categories over a number of years to give each a relative rating, which then determines the strength of a club's list.
The Tigers' boast three 'elite' players in Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin, All Australian defender Alex Rance and Grand Final star Shane Edwards.
They have a further nine in the 'above average' category, including captain Trent Cotchin, small forward Dan Butler and midfielder Kane Lambert.
Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Shaun Grigg, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes and Nathan Broad sit in the 'average' category, while Kamdyn McIntosh and Jason Castagna were rated 'below average'.
Grand Final hero Jack Graham (five games) and 2017 bolter Jacob Townsend (37 and nine in the past two seasons) remain unclassified, given their lack of senior football.
While the premiers don't sit at the top in the talent stakes, defender Nick Vlastuin said the Tigers would build on the game plan that took them all the way and would be inspired to repeat their 2017 heroics.
"It just gives you an extra drive because you know what to expect and you know how good that feeling was after the Grand Final," Vlastuin said on Tuesday.
"Last year was the first year we had that manic pressure and we were still learning that … we're just going to consolidate on what we did last year and hopefully it goes all right."
Sydney boasts an AFL-high 17 players rated either 'elite' or 'above average', ahead of Port Adelaide, which has 16 players in the top two categories.
Carlton's list is rated the least talented, while Fremantle has the weakest best 22, with captain Nat Fyfe rated as the club's only 'elite' player.
Nathan Buckley will be attempting to steer Collingwood back into the finals with the 10th-ranked list, but the sixth-strongest best 22, with Essendon (11th overall) experiencing a similar spike to eighth when limited to its best 22.
Champion Data's 2018 Prospectus will be available soon at championdata.com.au
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-01-16/revealed-the-afls-most-talented-list
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Lmfao
All this study and poo don't mean poo wgaf
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Isn't this the mob that came out this time last year and said that they ranked Collingwood as the number one midfield in the competition?
The defence rests your honour.....
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Hawks ranked 8th! :lol
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GWS only have the 4th most talented total list? Behind Port Adelaide?
Shows the flaws in this type of analysis.
The top four squads for total talent are all interstate clubs, who fold like a pack of cards when the heat is on in a Grandfinal.
Give me our current list with a 2017 work ethic and mindset every day of the week.
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Edwards an elite player? :shh ;)
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Hawks ranked 8th! :lol
Improved 10 places with the retirement of Vickery! :shh
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Champion data goes off things like possessions so with our style of play our overall possession count is low and therefore we would naturally have less players at the top of the possession order in their respective positions.
In addition our side is down on the lists of average age and games played. Sydney has a number of players over 50 in their top 22 while we will have only Grigg.
I know which list I want to back over the next 10 years.
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Edwards an elite player? :shh ;)
For his position, mid/fwd I think. There are not many in that category.
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Just popped in and saw this article.
so its based on position age and performance over the duration.
Most around here would laud our small fwd set up Rioli Castagna, Butler but compare our three small regulars against the three hawks Rioli, Bruest, Puopolo the hawk boys win hands down. they kick more goals they lay many more tackles they apply defensive pressure they use the ball better and just happen to get more ball.
What is the better more proven set up
Puopolo - Roughead - Gunston
Rioli - O'Brien - Bruest
Castagna - Riewoldt - Townsend
Rioli - Caddy - Butler.
Even the essendon trio 0f fantasia, Green, a m-t stack up as well if not better.
As far as talent and depth go id say 9th is about right.We all know we have a reliance on the top 15 or so and it drops away its why we all agree we are more vulnerable than most clubs to injuries.
I had a look at 31 small fwds in the comp last yr that is smalls who primarily played as small fwds. I only looked at goal averages, disposals and Tackles. and then compared the golden one Rioli against them.
Out of 31 players he was equal 11th for tackles, equal 26 for goals, and equal 29th for disposals.
All this suggests to me is not that Rioli cannot play but he has to keep on improving he is not there yet he is indeed pretty average in some areas.
Anyway just thought id put up the other side of things might pop in again down the track.
Edwards an elite player? :shh ;)
LMFAO.
He is average in every single category you can name. The only part of his game you could call elite is his hands in tight.
As a mid he doesnt get enough ball, has few clearances, but does get a bit of c/b for himself and he continues to shirk real contact.
As a fwd he does not kick goals and lays few tackles and as a mid/fwd he has few i/50's.
anyway as i said might see yas around.
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Yes the Essendon set up that hasn't even made finals yet is clearly better than our premieship set up,....
....guess they've also gone past us just like your beloved Melbourne eh? :shh
Anyway just thought id put up the other side of things might pop in again down the track.
anyway as i said might see yas around.
Ooh flogtastic.... can't wait....
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Just popped in and saw this article.
so its based on position age and performance over the duration.
Most around here would laud our small fwd set up Rioli Castagna, Butler but compare our three small regulars against the three hawks Rioli, Bruest, Puopolo the hawk boys win hands down. they kick more goals they lay many more tackles they apply defensive pressure they use the ball better and just happen to get more ball.
What is the better more proven set up
Puopolo - Roughead - Gunston
Rioli - O'Brien - Bruest
Castagna - Riewoldt - Townsend
Rioli - Caddy - Butler.
Even the essendon trio 0f fantasia, Green, a m-t stack up as well if not better.
As far as talent and depth go id say 9th is about right.We all know we have a reliance on the top 15 or so and it drops away its why we all agree we are more vulnerable than most clubs to injuries.
I had a look at 31 small fwds in the comp last yr that is smalls who primarily played as small fwds. I only looked at goal averages, disposals and Tackles. and then compared the golden one Rioli against them.
Out of 31 players he was equal 11th for tackles, equal 26 for goals, and equal 29th for disposals.
All this suggests to me is not that Rioli cannot play but he has to keep on improving he is not there yet he is indeed pretty average in some areas.
Anyway just thought id put up the other side of things might pop in again down the track.
Edwards an elite player? :shh ;)
LMFAO.
He is average in every single category you can name. The only part of his game you could call elite is his hands in tight.
As a mid he doesnt get enough ball, has few clearances, but does get a bit of c/b for himself and he continues to shirk real contact.
As a fwd he does not kick goals and lays few tackles and as a mid/fwd he has few i/50's.
anyway as i said might see yas around.
FFS.
You are comparing veterans with virtual rookies.
Absolutely ridiculous.
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We rank 18th for softness.
Melbourne ( who have gone past us again ) rank #1
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Its already a flawed system if Edwards is ranked ahead of Riewoldt and Cotchin.
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Just popped in and saw this article.
so its based on position age and performance over the duration.
Most around here would laud our small fwd set up Rioli Castagna, Butler but compare our three small regulars against the three hawks Rioli, Bruest, Puopolo the hawk boys win hands down. they kick more goals they lay many more tackles they apply defensive pressure they use the ball better and just happen to get more ball.
What is the better more proven set up
Puopolo - Roughead - Gunston
Rioli - O'Brien - Bruest
Castagna - Riewoldt - Townsend
Rioli - Caddy - Butler.
Even the essendon trio 0f fantasia, Green, a m-t stack up as well if not better.
As far as talent and depth go id say 9th is about right.We all know we have a reliance on the top 15 or so and it drops away its why we all agree we are more vulnerable than most clubs to injuries.
I had a look at 31 small fwds in the comp last yr that is smalls who primarily played as small fwds. I only looked at goal averages, disposals and Tackles. and then compared the golden one Rioli against them.
Out of 31 players he was equal 11th for tackles, equal 26 for goals, and equal 29th for disposals.
All this suggests to me is not that Rioli cannot play but he has to keep on improving he is not there yet he is indeed pretty average in some areas.
Anyway just thought id put up the other side of things might pop in again down the track.
Edwards an elite player? :shh ;)
LMFAO.
He is average in every single category you can name. The only part of his game you could call elite is his hands in tight.
As a mid he doesnt get enough ball, has few clearances, but does get a bit of c/b for himself and he continues to shirk real contact.
As a fwd he does not kick goals and lays few tackles and as a mid/fwd he has few i/50's.
anyway as i said might see yas around.
Honestly we won the flag and you come out and start on negatives lol.Be nice to be positive for a change talk about our new kids drafted etc or our success.Stats mean nothing Suns and Giants have so much talent still yet to prove anything and we proved it last season team ethic,hard work and believe.Which team doesn't have a reliance on its top end players take them out from any team they struggle.
Come on Claw your comparison to hawks forward line.Look at the experience and age difference.If you followed footy last season that was the most dangerous forward line very little teams could deal with.Its not just about the goals to.
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He is just trolling like he always has, as bad as WAT
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I am fine with the statisticians writing us off already.
Players ranking are relative to the game plan that their team plays.
Example. how much better were our players ranked in 2017 compared to 2016?
The 2016 season has affected the rankings of all our players dragging their level down as it is calculated over a few years.
Well our players have some news for the statisticians the year is 2018 and our players are not playing in 2016 so your prognostications are flawed.
The media elite hate it when they are proven wrong so I hope our boys give them a major dose of indigestion this year.
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LMFAO.
He is average in every single category you can name. The only part of his game you could call elite is his hands in tight.
As a mid he doesnt get enough ball, has few clearances, but does get a bit of c/b for himself and he continues to shirk real contact.
As a fwd he does not kick goals and lays few tackles and as a mid/fwd he has few i/50's.
anyway as i said might see yas around.
:lol
You know what's really funny? You're already back after saying you won't be posting here anymore & like that the rest of your post is complete BS.
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Our list is still quite young for a premiership team. Our Grand Final team had 7 players with less than 50 games experience plus another two with just over 50. That would knock us down in the Champion Data rankings.
If you listen to the alternative radio coverages of the Grand Final, Malthouse makes the point during the game about Graham now seeming to be a surprise packet by kicking 3 goals and not being rated now because he's so young but that in a decade's time he may turn out to be a champion of the game.
While on Champion Data and their focus on certain stats, one thing they clearly don't differentiate is finals performances vs the average H/A game. Based on the old way of judging a player by how they perform in finals then Cotch is elite. The more you watch those games the more you notice him smashing into contests and onto loose 50/50 balls. He might not win the footy himself doing this but his actions would result in possession for a teammate and the team. It's that selflessness across the team that won us the flag but it doesn't show up in individual stats.
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Just popped in and saw this article.
so its based on position age and performance over the duration.
These rankings are based on fantasy pigs, the Tom Mitchells, the Sam Dochertys who rack up huge numbers of possessions.
Apart from Dusty, we hardly had any guys racking up huge possessions, it was quality, not quantity.
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We tore those bastards up like fresh croissants in those finals when it counted. We positioned ourselves perfectly for the tilt during the year, didn't show all the cards but played solid. These clowns can speculate, read tea leaves, roll rune bones, and talk poo all they want.
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Now that we are awesome and doing great, it's just another knob who wants us to finish 9th again.
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We aren’t as good because we don’t have this guy anymore.
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:rollin