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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on June 20, 2015, 11:51:28 AM
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Do we need to address our poor ruck stocks as urgently as our lack of good small fwds?
Case in point, we are ranked last in hit outs this season
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_team_rankings?year=2015&type=TA&sby=7
I know Maric battles hard and is generally sound around the ground most of the time in general play, but should we be targeting a premium ruck to help our midfielders get first use of the ball and enable more clearances (which we are also ranked below afl average).
Is this as urgent as the small fwd deficiency?
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I think we should give Hampson a go
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Lets just merge maric and hampson into one person and we'll be set.
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While I understand your point Dooks
I'd raise the other part of the equation. If we know we are going to lose the hit outs, why don't we adjust to that likelihood. Eg why are our mids unable (perhaps unwilling) to play to the oppositions hit outs. All clubs do the analysis of the opposition, the club plans for it why are mids unable to do it.
And believe me I was at a pre-match presentation as part of my coterie package and we and last night's plan explained to us and we had planned for the Nic Nat domination and our mods did not execute they way they should have
Lets just merge maric and hampson into one person and we'll be set.
Yep perfect options
And BTW Hampson isn't the answer because he offers nothing outside hit outs
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How about Leuenberger.
On the outer at Brisbane.
Scott Lycett from West Coast will be great.
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While I understand your point Dooks
I'd raise the other part of the equation. If we know we are going to lose the hit outs, why don't we adjust to that likelihood. Eg why are our mids unable (perhaps unwilling) to play to the oppositions hit outs. All clubs do the analysis of the opposition, the club plans for it why are mids unable to do it.
And believe me I was at a pre-match presentation as part of my coterie package and we and last night's plan explained to us and we had planned for the Nic Nat domination and our mods did not execute they way they should have
Lets just merge maric and hampson into one person and we'll be set.
Yep perfect options
And BTW Hampson isn't the answer because he offers nothing outside hit outs
Well that is your fault WP!!! :lol
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While I understand your point Dooks
I'd raise the other part of the equation. If we know we are going to lose the hit outs, why don't we adjust to that likelihood. Eg why are our mids unable (perhaps unwilling) to play to the oppositions hit outs. All clubs do the analysis of the opposition, the club plans for it why are mids unable to do it.
And believe me I was at a pre-match presentation as part of my coterie package and we and last night's plan explained to us and we had planned for the Nic Nat domination and our mods did not execute they way they should have
Lets just merge maric and hampson into one person and we'll be set.
Yep perfect options
And BTW Hampson isn't the answer because he offers nothing outside hit outs
Very hard to read what Priddis, Shuey, Gaff, Yeo, Masten will run or move too when Nic Nat hits it.
Maric was horrible and just conceded.
The plan was we would put two players behind the ball at all times and that killed our forward options.
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The plan was we would put two players behind the ball at all times and that killed our forward options.
Really?
Don't think so
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While I understand your point Dooks
I'd raise the other part of the equation. If we know we are going to lose the hit outs, why don't we adjust to that likelihood. Eg why are our mids unable (perhaps unwilling) to play to the oppositions hit outs. All clubs do the analysis of the opposition, the club plans for it why are mids unable to do it.
And believe me I was at a pre-match presentation as part of my coterie package and we and last night's plan explained to us and we had planned for the Nic Nat domination and our mods did not execute they way they should have
Lets just merge maric and hampson into one person and we'll be set.
Yep perfect options
And BTW Hampson isn't the answer because he offers nothing outside hit outs
I don't disagree to an extent WP. But as an aspiring top 4 side, I think there's something fundamentally wrong with pinning our hopes in this critical area on our mids sharking opositions hit outs. More often than not it doesn't work and it's very difficult to do, as opposed to having a gun ruck who can direct you first use.
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I don't disagree to an extent WP. But as an aspiring top 4 side, I think there's something fundamentally wrong with pinning our hopes in this critical area on our mids sharking opositions hit outs. More often than not it doesn't work and it's very difficult to do, as opposed to having a gun ruck who can direct you first use.
Do agree with your main point Dooks but all clubs are going to struggle against Nic Nat so they need to plan for that
Agree we need we need to target another ruck for the medium term. But who? The only one who's at the right age and is likely available is Luenberger and with his injury history, I'm not sure you'd take the risk
Just watching the VFL, they've thrown McBean in the ruck in the final qtr and I have to say he looks so far off being a key ruck it's not funny
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the amount of times in the last two games that the opposition have not just dominated the hit outs, but continually tapped to a midfielder on the move for a clearance is a real concern.
It's not just a refelection on our ruck stocks, but also on our midfielders inability to adjust when the ruck is getting a bath.
What i find most concerning , above all else, is that it was so bad last night i was wondering if we could have done with Hamspon to negate the ruck dominance, even allowing for how crap he is at everything else required of an AFL footballer.
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the amount of times in the last two games that the opposition have not just dominated the hit outs, but continually tapped to a midfielder on the move for a clearance is a real concern.
It's not just a refelection on our ruck stocks, but also on our midfielders inability to adjust when the ruck is getting a bath.
What i find most concerning , above all else, is that it was so bad last night i was wondering if we could have done with Hamspon to negate the ruck dominance, even allowing for how crap he is at everything else required of an AFL footballer.
Doubt Hampson would of had such little influence around the ground as Maric as well. Poor game by the big fella
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Maric was horrible around the ground. Lumbering, fumbling, brainless disposal, looked like Gus at his worst. Not the first time this year either. Not sure Hamspud would've beaten NicNat in the hit outs either though....and he can't even take an uncontested mark which Maric can at least still do.
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yeah, there has been a few times this year that maric has taken posession in the clear, yet been so slow to get rid of the ball he has done so under pressure. it's like he is in slow motion while those around him are at normal pace
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Been serviceable most times but really, he has only had one good year (2012)
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why does grigg start in the middle
when you have miles, vlastuin, cotchin, martin, edwards, etc.
:huh :huh
its like being a man down from the get go. crazy stuff
we seem to go on long runs on getting shat on in the clearances. not just against nicnat and sandilands, but against crap teams too. even when we win some times
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A really constructive and honest conversation people's :clapping
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why does grigg start in the middle
when you have miles, vlastuin, cotchin, martin, edwards, etc.
:huh :huh
its like being a man down from the get go. crazy stuff
we seem to go on long runs on getting shat on in the clearances. not just against nicnat and sandilands, but against crap teams too. even when we win some times
god your blind hatred makes you dumb.
but from your post a legit question is raised;
why doesnt vlastuin play on ball?
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Vlastuin has been very good down back of late and I actually thought he wasn't that bad again last night all things considered - well far from our worst at least anyway.....but yes, think we would ultimately be better served with him in the guts.
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Tell you what though, after just watching GWS without Mumford, reckon if we bring Hamspud in for just one match this year it'd have to be the one against them....
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Tell you what though, after just watching GWS without Mumford, reckon if we bring Hamspud in for just one match this year it'd have to be the one against them....
We could have used him last night. He had quite a good leap and would have been much more serviceable in the ruck vs NicNat.
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Vlastuin has been very good down back of late and I actually thought he wasn't that bad again last night all things considered - well far from our worst at least anyway.....but yes, think we would ultimately be better served with him in the guts.
Really happy with Nick's evolution down back. We all seem to expect him to go into the midfield and ignore the fact he's played his whole life down back. He reads the play so well behind the ball. Just because he's hard as nails doesn't make him suited to being a full time mid. Think he'll eventually pinch hit in there but see him spending most of his time behind the ball.
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Like him down back.
Just because he's capable doesn't mean he has to play in the guts. One of his biggest strengths is his reading of the play, which is best utilized down back.
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Like him down back.
Just because he's capable doesn't mean he has to play in the guts. One of his biggest strengths is his reading of the play, which is best utilized down back.
If we were starting with Sam Mitchell or Dangerfield in the guts fair enoug. Yet we are not
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Exactly Judge v.3.0
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Exactly Judge v.3.0
Was just thinking surely he doesn't have a third account in one year :lol