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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 13, 2022, 07:34:22 AM
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According to Caro, Simon Matthews (our chief marketing officer) is one of a couple of people Essendon has spoken to about becoming their next CEO.
Go to 2:20 min mark: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1569297169751883782
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Former NAB CEO Andrew Thorburn is seen as the leading name for Essendon’s vacant CEO position. He was on the panel to appoint Brad Scott and is running the Bombers’ external review.
Richmond chief marketing officer Simon Matthews has also interviewed for the position
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1575730185348911107
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These guys are obsessed with hiring people from Richmond.
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Caro is a moron, has tickets on herself total kkkkkknob, on the other hand her hubby is an ok sort of bloke, poor bastard
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Not going anywhere.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854283/essendon-appoints-former-nab-boss-as-new-ceo
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Looks like the dons have opted for a churchy, scomo styles.
i saw it first on the age which is a massive surprise as they dont usually delve into rubbish like this. :lol :lol
Never mind the accomplished CV though.
https://www.theage.com.au/cbd/essendon-broadens-church-by-nabbing-former-banker-20221003-p5bmvg.html
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Looks like the dons have opted for a churchy, scomo styles.
i saw it first on the age which is a massive surprise as they dont usually delve into rubbish like this. :lol :lol
the Age never used to but since they've been owned by Channel 9 they have lurched towards becoming the print version of "A Current Affair"
Sad really ;)
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Can’t believe people still watch that rubbish. I include 60 mins as well.
Anyway
He has just resigned, thanks to a bunch of losers who saw fit to link a former NAB CEO’s outside interests to his ability to do his job. Kind of like the ones who did the same to scomo. Bachar wouldn’t stand a chance in a professional role with the teachings of Islam. :shh
Wonder who the front runner is now??? The bed wetters will be even happier if it’s Matthews.
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Resigned after just one day in the job.
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/1577190885753643010
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Essendon statement.
https://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/1233305/statement-on-behalf-of-dave-barham
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He has just resigned, thanks to a bunch of losers who saw fit to link a former NAB CEO’s outside interests to his ability to do his job.
You can't really be helping to pick out the rainbow-design guernsey for diversity round whilst secretly thinking gay people are hell-destined sinning sodomites. In that sense, I think 'outside interest' is most definitely a euphemism! It's a little more than that. Certainly a conflict of interest.
The real story is that it sounded like he was given the option to give up either Essendon or the City on the Hill Church--and chose the obscure church over Essendon. LOL.
Good riddance, Andrew. Take your 12th century nonsense with you. Have a beer with Tom Morris. :cheers
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Can’t believe people still watch that rubbish. I include 60 mins as well.
Anyway
He has just resigned, thanks to a bunch of losers who saw fit to link a former NAB CEO’s outside interests to his ability to do his job. Kind of like the ones who did the same to scomo. Bachar wouldn’t stand a chance in a professional role with the teachings of Islam. :shh
Wonder who the front runner is now??? The bed wetters will be even happier if it’s Matthews.
I think the fact he's been outspoken is a fair difference in how Bachar follows his religion. There are different shades of grey in all religions. If you choose to be on the see you next Tuesday side I'm all for cancelling this type of rubbish out.
He should not have been appointed simply from a business point of view how disgraced he was leaving NAB before the royal commission. I reckon Essendon are blaming the cancel culture card after not doing due diligence.
Loving the circus that keeps giving at Essendon.
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That guy cannot be a CEO of an AFL club. Full stop.
I’d be amazed if he’s ever going to be a CEO again after those revelations.
The article in question is on their website. C’mon, seriously.
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The real story is that it sounded like he was given the option to give up either Essendon or the City on the Hill Church--and chose the obscure church over Essendon. LOL.
Good riddance, Andrew. Take your 12th century nonsense with you. Have a beer with Tom Morris. :cheers
That's true Broadsword, Barham in his presser he was given the option stay as CEO and resign as Chairman of the Church or resign as CEO and stick with the Church
He chose the latter
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Can’t believe people still watch that rubbish. I include 60 mins as well.
Anyway
He has just resigned, thanks to a bunch of losers who saw fit to link a former NAB CEO’s outside interests to his ability to do his job. Kind of like the ones who did the same to scomo. Bachar wouldn’t stand a chance in a professional role with the teachings of Islam. :shh
Wonder who the front runner is now??? The bed wetters will be even happier if it’s Matthews.
I think the fact he's been outspoken is a fair difference in how Bachar follows his religion. There are different shades of grey in all religions. If you choose to be on the see you next Tuesday side I'm all for cancelling this type of rubbish out.
He should not have been appointed simply from a business point of view how disgraced he was leaving NAB before the royal commission. I reckon Essendon are blaming the cancel culture card after not doing due diligence.
Loving the circus that keeps giving at Essendon.
I must have missed it how was he outspoken? Did he say something? If he did fair enough.
I wouldn’t have a clue what goes in that type of church or a mosque, but I can assure you the latter wouldn’t be favorable to homosexuals. I mean they behead their own kind in those countries.
The times I’ve been in a church for weddings and stuff I don’t recall anyone saying they dislike homos.
Biggest difference is one promotes it in this case, and one keeps it hidden. The latter is worse as they act on your choice of becoming gay.
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That guy cannot be a CEO of an AFL club. Full stop.
I’d be amazed if he’s ever going to be a CEO again after those revelations.
The article in question is on their website. C’mon, seriously.
Post link please. I saw one article earlier on their website that’s titled surviving same sex attraction as a Christian.
Doesn’t sound like they are ready to behead of their worshipers should they choose to bat for the other team.
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Yep he sounds like a real bigot to me :lol I am personally glad he told them to FO.
Thorburn later released his own statement on Tuesday evening via his LinkedIn page, saying he was "incredibly excited" about getting started at the Bombers.
"I had seen a picture of a club that was not as broken as feared, and that with leadership and focus, could rebound strongly," he wrote.
"However, today it became clear to me that my personal Christian faith is not tolerated or permitted in the public square, at least by some and perhaps by many. I was being required to compromise beyond a level that my conscience allowed. People should be able to hold different views on complex personal and moral matters, and be able to live and work together, even with those differences, and always with respect. Behaviour is the key. This is all an important part of a tolerant and diverse society.
"Let me be clear - I love all people, and have always promoted and lived an inclusive, diverse, respectful and supportive workplace - where people are welcomed regardless of their culture, religious beliefs, and sexual orientation. I believe my record over a long period of time testifies to this.
"Despite my own leadership record, within hours of my appointment being announced, the media and leaders of our community had spoken. They made it clear that my Christian faith and my association with a Church are unacceptable in our culture if you wish to hold a leadership position in society.
"This grieves me greatly - though not just for myself, but for our society overall. I believe we are poorer for the loss of our great freedoms of thought, conscience and belief that made for a truly diverse, just and respectful community."
https://au.linkedin.com/in/andrewthorburn65?trk=people-guest_people_search-card
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Speaking of link
Frankie
Please supply the link that you posted the article from
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LinkedIn.
Okay il locate
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That guy cannot be a CEO of an AFL club. Full stop.
I’d be amazed if he’s ever going to be a CEO again after those revelations.
The article in question is on their website. C’mon, seriously.
Doesn’t sound like they are ready to behead of their worshipers should they choose to bat for the other team.
Sounds like Essendon dodged a bullet. Where's his conviction? 😋
I mean that is the ultimate low bar: "I do not behead people who's sexual behaviour unsettles me."
You are right though. At least he doesn't seem culturally compelled to cover his wife up in black fabric (for all we know).
Re Bachar: I personally didn't detect any insincerity on his part. He seemed more into washing and kissing his parents' feet as a sign of humility and service rather than a marauding gay-beheaderer. Benign.
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It seems to me that people today cannot have an opinion or view that confronts the ‘woke’ society!! Given the many non-Christian views on homosexuality are in conflict with the woke view … surely they should be forced out of industry leadership!!
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When was people’s personal lives a condition of employment, if he kept it seperate from work like he did as a bank employee what’s the issue.
I may not agree with his beliefs but would defend his bygone rights to have beliefs that are not mine ,as long as they don’t actively hurt others
Victoria has become the nanny police state of the world.
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It seems to me that people today cannot have an opinion or view that confronts the ‘woke’ society!! Given the many non-Christian views on homosexuality are in conflict with the woke view … surely they should be forced out of industry leadership!!
My favourite so far is Germaine Greer waking up one morning to find she was suddenly on the conservative side of gender politics. The idea of a 'trans woman' educating Germaine Greer about women's rights is a level of absurdity I never saw coming.
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Link below is an interesting read.
Forget his religious beliefs
Think his record as CEO of the NAB should have raised a few red flags
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/god-saved-essendon-from-andrew-thorburn-20221004-p5bn6n
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Link below is an interesting read.
Forget his religious beliefs
Think his record as CEO of the NAB should have raised a few red flags
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/god-saved-essendon-from-andrew-thorburn-20221004-p5bn6n
So what’s the issue exactly? He didn’t know his staff was defrauding the bank?
Funny I never heard you mention such behavior when it happens to certain other people but now it’s an issue that raises “red” flags.
You make me laugh sometimes. It sounds like you are reaching as you have nothing else to give.
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When was people’s personal lives a condition of employment, if he kept it seperate from work like he did as a bank employee what’s the issue.
I may not agree with his beliefs but would defend his bygone rights to have beliefs that are not mine ,as long as they don’t actively hurt others
Victoria has become the nanny police state of the world.
Great post and totally agree. I can safely say if this blokes wife was wearing a burqa or that hijab we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Fact.
Can someone tell me what this guy actually said. That’s all I want to know. Did he broadcast his beliefs online or what.
Surely there is something. Surely.
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Link below is an interesting read.
Forget his religious beliefs
Think his record as CEO of the NAB should have raised a few red flags
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/god-saved-essendon-from-andrew-thorburn-20221004-p5bn6n
So what’s the issue exactly? He didn’t know his staff was defrauding the bank?
Funny I never heard you mention such behavior when it happens to certain other people but now it’s an issue that raises “red” flags.
You make me laugh sometimes. It sounds like you are reaching as you have nothing else to give.
Gee I don't know ::)
I suppose being the CEO while the bank charged people $650 million in fees for no services and saying it was just carelessness is no biggie. Or did you miss that bit? Or don't you think he should be accountable for that?
Surely, the EFC should have done their due diligence on ALL aspects of this bloke before hiring him? Or don't you think they or any organisation should?
You make me laugh too, with your consistency in only picking out the bits of any article that suits your narrative.
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It has to be all Dictator Dan's fault. :lol
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Either way this is essendrugs fault for either not doing due diligence or cracking to wokeness
Good on them lol
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He’s been exposed.
Religious views of his church that directly contradict the inclusive demands of the club
CEO’s ARE accountable for the types of issues which were exposed in the royal commission - ever heard of the saying that “the fish rots at it’s head”?
I’ve seen it first hand - it does feel somewhat unfair to the individual but they take the coin and sign the code of conduct clauses in their contract so they are on the hook.
How Essendon missed the above indicates “jobs for the boys”.
Those days went out when Sheedy was coach.
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Yet another example of the ongoing battle between the nutcase woke lefties and the nutcase conservative Christians.
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Link below is an interesting read.
Forget his religious beliefs
Think his record as CEO of the NAB should have raised a few red flags
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/god-saved-essendon-from-andrew-thorburn-20221004-p5bn6n
So what’s the issue exactly? He didn’t know his staff was defrauding the bank?
Funny I never heard you mention such behavior when it happens to certain other people but now it’s an issue that raises “red” flags.
You make me laugh sometimes. It sounds like you are reaching as you have nothing else to give.
Gee I don't know ::)
I suppose being the CEO while the bank charged people $650 million in fees for no services and saying it was just carelessness is no biggie. Or did you miss that bit? Or don't you think he should be accountable for that?
Surely, the EFC should have done their due diligence on ALL aspects of this bloke before hiring him? Or don't you think they or any organisation should?
You make me laugh too, with your consistency in only picking out the bits of any article that suits your narrative.
Accountable? You really want to go there with that word? Please don’t make me laugh. Last time I checked he doesn’t have a job at NAB or did I get that wrong 😑 He was held to account as he should.
You sought to bring up his previous occupation as evidence he was no good at the job he was hired to do. Fair enough if his outside interests didn’t align with the club, but plenty others are still in power which you have not mentioned.
Just for any avoidance of doubt here are some facts.
He was head of NAB for 2-3 years prior to the start of the royal commission. The “pioneer” for woman in finance Gail Kelly was head of Westpac for 10 and presided over the largest breach of money launderying that went straight to pedos and criminals. We heard crickets from you there.
Current Ceo’s at ANZ and CBA were all around prior to the RC, and still are today.
We heard crickets from you. I dare say you probably still bank with one of them which makes it even more hypocritical.
Current state government and the red shirts scandal and other defrauding of the tax payer scandals that went on. Once again we heard crickets comment. You must be okay with the word accountability as it doesn’t align.
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Bachar Houli accepting a prize from australian imams council.
https://www.stevedabliz.com/great-achievers-one-all/
this is their position on abortion.
https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/THE-ISLAMIC-POSITION-ON-ABORTION.pdf
This is their position on homosexuality
http://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Islams-Clear-Position-on-Homosexuality.pdf
:shh :shh
I seldom step inside any church, but anyone who isolates the Christian faith and disregards the others have no idea. Obviously one religion has more followers so you expect more issues.
To not be able to hold a position of power due to beliefs of the church he goes to is pathetic. Andrew’s is a devout catholic so let’s strip him of the role should we?
I would say the same if it was any religion.
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Yet another example of the ongoing battle between the nutcase woke lefties and the nutcase conservative Christians.
The white male christian victim complex that some clowns are displaying is embarrassing. This guy was in charge of one of the most powerful financial institutions in AUS (ripping of thousands of Aussies and leaving in disgrace) and many of our last PMs have been happy clappers...
This is not some poor battler who has had a hard life. Spare me.
Also, no one gives a poo that he's a Christian, it's the NAB stuff and his key position at an openly homophobic church that people (rightly) take issue with.
Do you really think he was a good fit for modern sporting club that has a women's team with a number of gay players?...
Ridiculous appointment. He never should have even been considered.
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Bachar Houli accepting a prize from australian imams council.
https://www.stevedabliz.com/great-achievers-one-all/
this is their position on abortion.
https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/THE-ISLAMIC-POSITION-ON-ABORTION.pdf
This is their position on homosexuality
http://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Islams-Clear-Position-on-Homosexuality.pdf
:shh :shh
I seldom step inside any church, but anyone who isolates the Christian faith and disregards the others have no idea. Obviously one religion has more followers so you expect more issues.
To not be able to hold a position of power due to beliefs of the church he goes to is pathetic. Andrew’s is a devout catholic so let’s strip him of the role should we?
I would say the same if it was any religion.
"This guy's background should not be relevant because.... Bachar Houli is well liked..."
what a stupid strawman argument.
If Bachar oversaw NAB ripping off thousands of citizens AND was also seriously involved of an openly homophobic church then yes, most people would rightly oppose him being CEO of a modern sporting organisation.
How does that impact this bloke's suitability for the role again?...
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people arguing that he didnt know what was going on at NAB when he was the stuffing CEO
:lol
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Sam Edmund on SEN just said this now opens the door for Simon Matthews to return to Essendon.
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Yet another example of the ongoing battle between the nutcase woke lefties and the nutcase conservative Christians.
The white male christian victim complex that some clowns are displaying is embarrassing. This guy was in charge of one of the most powerful financial institutions in AUS (ripping of thousands of Aussies and leaving in disgrace) and many of our last PMs have been happy clappers...
This is not some poor battler who has had a hard life. Spare me.
Also, no one gives a poo that he's a Christian, it's the NAB stuff and his key position at an openly homophobic church that people (rightly) take issue with.
Do you really think he was a good fit for modern sporting club that has a women's team with a number of gay players?...
Ridiculous appointment. He never should have even been considered.
SEN said he was on the panel to select the new CEO and then ended up getting the gig himself. If true, then Essendon only have themselves to blame.
There is also talk that a number of Essendon's AFLW players were going to walk out if he didn't go. You could probably include sponsors too.
So, a bloke who holds a key position in an organisation that openly excludes other people (based on archaic BS ::) ) gets excluded himself from a key position of another organisation who rightfully call out such BS in the 21st century. Karma says hi! :wave
I also got to laugh at the religious persecution claim too. He wasn't dumped because he was giving money to the poor, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, or standing up for marginalised members of society. I must have missed where Je-sus said hate gays and compared abortion to the Holocaust. Just another coward who hides his archaic debunked views behind a religious cult church to try and justify hateful crap ::).
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Spot on MT.
It's amazing how many bible-thumpers obsesses over people's sexual orientation while overlooking the corruption, exploitation and child abuse within their own ranks.
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Andrew Thorburn
1. He's brought in to oversee the appointment process of a new CEO. He subsequently removes himself from that process late in the piece to apply for the role himself and is appointed just days after interviewing. No mention is made in the club's appointment statement of a replacement overseer or re-evaluation of that process. He 'succeeded' in meeting his own criteria.
To me, that's like a father engaging a therapist to assists his troubled daughter only to discover mid-way through the therapy that he has a new son-in-law: the therapist married his troubled daughter instead. You'd question his fitness to be either a therapist or a husband at that point.
2. The 2013 sermon that caused alarm might have occurred before Thorburn's appointment as Chair (2014), but that church's position on homosexuality is still available on its website (https://resources.cityonahill.com.au/resources/tough-questions).
"Homosexuality is falling short of God’s created order. Even if sexual orientation originates in genetic makeup, homosexual activity is still a sin."
While much of the disagreement over abortion and same-sex marriage pertains to its concrete legal status, distributing literature insisting that homosexual acts are inherently sinful--requiring total abstinence of homosexuals--has no legal relevance whatsoever and is completely out of step with the ethos of a modern sporting organization partly comprised of homosexual staff, players, and other stakeholders. Even 'inactive' homosexuals have "fallen short of [God]."
At best, you have elected a leader who will act out of conceit: he won't say anything to your face, he'll 'love' you and 'forgive' you and 'pray' for you, but deep down he believes you to be either a sinner or a failure. That leader must simultaneously protect the welfare (not souls) of homosexual staff and players and oversee the advancement of diversity and inclusion policies at the club. See 1 for his behavior in an oversight capacity.
3. I don't see the comparison with Bachar--at least not how it has been presented. I couldn't find a link between AMAA and ANIC (unlike Thorburn --> City on a Hill --> CoaH position on homosexuality), and in any case, Bachar accepted an award from an organization; he doesn't chair it. They're not equivalent situations.
4. That Essendon were (a) unable or unwilling to unearth this information during the process and/or (b) unperturbed by it is an indictment of their processes, due diligence, and judgement (business and ethical). It's also very, very funny to watch.
5. All this says nothing about his history as NAB CEO and the irregularities uncovered there during his tenure. But hey, if Essendon want to employ someone who is incompetent, ineffectual, and/or dishonest then so be it. It doesn't preclude him from taking the job in the same way as 1 and 2.
All in all, I'm not in his corner and won't be flying the "FREE SPEECH" flag needlessly in his defense. If he has a preference for what consenting adults do with their genitals in the privacy of their own homes I strongly agree that he should keep those views to himself--not chair a church that broadcasts them unambiguously to all and sundry. Should he choose the second option, he should accept the consequences of his association and tacit advocacy of those opinions, and it is of no loss to the society as a whole that this should come to pass.
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SEN said he was on the panel to select the new CEO and then ended up getting the gig himself. If true, then Essendon only have themselves to blame.
Yep Damien Barrett says he headed up the panel to select the CEO in his opinion piece below.
BARRETT: Dons set for more change after latest 'ego-driven' mess
A MERE seven and a half weeks have unfolded since David Barham set in motion, out of nowhere, a takeover of the Essendon Football Club.
Having been a low-profiled Bombers director for nearly seven years, Barham suddenly thrust himself into the lead role on Sunday August 14, before his club's second-last match of another bad season, when he started action to roll the president.
He got the head he wanted, Paul Brasher, by just one vote of fellow directors – Kevin Sheedy being the casting vote – and he has since rolled a coach, three other directors and two CEOs, the second of those lasting a mere 30 hours between a joyous, self-backslapping public announcement about the appointment itself and then an embarrassing public exit.
Barham himself now needs to exit the mess he has created. His own words about proper process and care for Essendon people have not been reflected in actions.
There was nothing wrong with his approach to four-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson days after his boardroom coup, but there was everything wrong about doing that while Ben Rutten was still the Essendon coach.
But it was Barham's blind obsession with Andrew Thorburn – who was appointed CEO on Monday and who exited that post on Tuesday – that is even more damaging to his club's standing with its own members and supporters.
On the day Barham officially sacked Rutten, Sunday August 21, the day after the completion of the home-and-away season, then-CEO Xavier Campbell drove to Rutten's house to commiserate over the former coach's treatment. Upon leaving, Campbell informed Barham he would be resigning.
It was the response Barham wanted. He then brought in Thorburn, who was formally criticised in the banking royal commission when in charge of NAB, to Essendon, empowering him with reviewing all club operations, giving him a seat on a sub-committee to find Rutten's replacement, and asking him to interview candidates for the vacated CEO post.
Extraordinarily, and about the same time some candidates were being put through second and even third interviews for the CEO role, Thorburn decided he wanted the job himself. And was given it, clearly without the type of proper "process" and "due diligence" being applied to others, those phrases being ones which Barham had been smugly using against those who had run the club in the past.
In announcing Thorburn as Essendon CEO on Monday, Barham and the Bombers congratulated themselves, claiming the "process to find our next CEO was comprehensive and led by (Ernst & Young), with the support of club director Dorothy Hisgrove", and that Thorburn was a "highly credentialled leader", a "man of great integrity".
The very next day, Thorburn was challenged by the Bombers, after the Herald Sun had raised his connection to a church that had publicly made negative comments about inclusion and diversity generally, and abortion and homosexuality specifically. Thorburn chose the church involvement over the Essendon role.
A chartered accountancy firm, Barham, Hisgrove and other Bombers could have identified the very issues which saw Thorburn exit the club via a simple Google search.
Richmond executive Simon Matthews was one of those who subjected himself to Thorburn's grilling in interviews about the vacant CEO post. There were many others. Their information and answers may well have been used by Thorburn in his own pitch to Barham for the job.
Thorburn was involved in the securing of Brad Scott as coach, the one clear positive amid the Barham frenzy. Scott would have been bemused at best and angered at worst on Tuesday night after the Thorburn issue had played out, as the one thing he had always wanted in a second senior coaching opportunity was solidarity, ample resource and consistency in off-field operations.
It would surely be a line-ball call for Scott as to what has most disappointed him since being announced as Essendon coach only last Friday: the public declaration on that very day by Bombers director Kevin Sheedy that he wanted James Hird and not Scott as coach, or the events around Thorburn.
If in the next 48 hours Barham if himself doesn't announce intent to formally follow out of the Essendon doors the many others he has forced out, he will be told of plans – which were being formulated deep into Tuesday night and resumed first thing Wednesday – of people seeking to remove him, possibly in an extraordinary general meeting.
Significant support for Bombers board member and highly successful businessman Andrew Muir was being mounted behind the scenes on Wednesday.
When Barham rolled Brasher in late August, he did so by just one vote, that casting vote being Sheedy's. Barham extraordinarily chose not to demand Sheedy stand down after his breach of board governance in the Hird comments, and Sheedy's next public move, as always, looms as highly intriguing.
There was opposition on the Bombers board to Barham being president, even before the approach to Clarkson while Rutten was still coach, and weeks before the Thorburn debacle.
An extraordinary general election may be the only way to properly fix this almighty mess of a football club. The ego-driven politicking certainly hasn't worked.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854440/barrett-dons-set-for-more-change-after-latest-ego-driven-mess
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Why is personal politics and religion the main factor of employment within a FOOTBALL club .i suggest the game on its own should be our main focus.
His forced resignation was not based on his previous employment but older published views of his church and not his own personal view apparently .
I may and do not follow his beliefs or yours but believe you have the right to have them if the don’t effect others.
There is some truth in some things that have been said, racism applies to all races , sexism to whatever sex you identify as and religious prejudice to all and no briefs per the definitions in the dictionary . Equality and freedom of beliefs was the aim once upon a time
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Praise Jebus
https://youtu.be/Wb0c1b4KXVo
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If we ever have a poll for the most boring thread ever, this thread would get my vote.
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If we ever have a poll for the most boring thread ever, this thread would get my vote.
Maybe we could pull out a report from the commission or some old NAB financial statements to spice things up a little?
I reckon we'd collectively do a better job of appointing the next Essendon CEO.
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Yep, back to discussing Australian Rules
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[/quote]Yet another example of the ongoing battle between the nutcase woke lefties and the nutcase conservative Christians.
The white male christian victim complex that some clowns are displaying is embarrassing. This guy was in charge of one of the most powerful financial institutions in AUS (ripping of thousands of Aussies and leaving in disgrace) and many of our last PMs have been happy clappers...
This is not some poor battler who has had a hard life. Spare me.
Also, no one gives a poo that he's a Christian, it's the NAB stuff and his key position at an openly homophobic church that people (rightly) take issue with.
Do you really think he was a good fit for modern sporting club that has a women's team with a number of gay players?...
Ridiculous appointment. He never should have even been considered.
You are a white male Christian if you have an opinion these days? Not sure if that was directed at me, but if it was I have been inside more orthodox churches in the last 12 months due to unfortunate events than anything else. Does that make me orthodox or catholic as you sound like you have all the answers.
Secondly as you all brought up ripping people off. Unpack this for me. You might want to google MLC before you pretend you have a clue.
https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nation/nab-welcomed-banking-royal-commission-with-new-super-gouge/news-story/55e34cf8fba9cafde4536e2efb32e138
Interesting to see who were/are the board members at CBA and who are the current board members at our footy club. Il make it easy for you.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/ex-cba-directors-fight-back-against-royal-commission-evidence-20181121-p50hgv.html
All good though in the name of accountability?
She must be a white male, and how can she preside over a football club after being a very integral part of a company that ripped off thousands of people having worked alongside our pal Thorburn. :shh
Can’t wait for the defense of Peggy, by those on here who made comments about defrauding customers and the like.
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If we ever have a poll for the most boring thread ever, this thread would get my vote.
Maybe we could pull out a report from the commission or some old NAB financial statements to spice things up a little?
I reckon we'd collectively do a better job of appointing the next Essendon CEO.
:lol Can do. It’s a solid read that will surely put you to sleep.
The transcript of the corporate who collapsed in court, and had to be sent away in ambo would be an interesting read.
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The Islam council has spoken on the matter not that anyone would mention it :lol
Adel Salman, the president of the Islamic Council of Victoria, says the episode is the “most stark example” of organisations sacrificing religious freedom at the altar of corporate image.
“Someone should not be discriminated against and ostracised because of their religious views,” Salman said. “I feel sorry for everyone involved and I just hope this doesn’t become a commonplace occurrence.”
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/a-test-for-people-of-faith-faith-leaders-appalled-by-treatment-of-thorburn-20221005-p5bndw.html
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more whataboutism...
Thorburn was not appropriate for the job. Most people can see it.
Agree to disagree if you back him as a leader.
Willy you failed to address any of the points i mentioned. Funny that.
You are entitled to a view, but to label someone a churchy, when im the least person to identify as that, or a white man was low rate garbage but very typical in this day and age.
So Willy you (and others) failed to address other leaders floating around the place in high positions.
Fairness to you at least you actually replied. So now it would be nice if you could tell me the difference between what Peggy's board did as opposed to Thornburn. Yourself and one other person had a few things to say about cheating the public, but no such comments have been forthcoming when other names were mentioned. :shh :shh
I have absolutely no issue with either as time has passed and they were accountable, but i'm not the one who said he should be punished due to the RC church :shh
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more whataboutism...
Thorburn was not appropriate for the job. Most people can see it.
Agree to disagree if you back him as a leader.
Willy you failed to address any of the points i mentioned. Funny that.
You are entitled to a view, but to label someone a churchy, when im the least person to identify as that, or a white man was low rate garbage but very typical in this day and age.
So Willy you (and others) failed to address other leaders floating around the place in high positions.
Fairness to you at least you actually replied. So now it would be nice if you could tell me the difference between what Peggy's board did as opposed to Thornburn. Yourself and one other person had a few things to say about cheating the public, but no such comments have been forthcoming when other names were mentioned. :shh :shh
I have absolutely no issue with either as time has passed and they were accountable, but i'm not the one who said he should be punished due to the RC church :shh
For my own.part, happy not to contest the NAB back story as it is not central to my point/s.
I would say, however, that an executive is more stained by the brush of dishonest practices than a board. Board members might fail to provide oversight, but the executive either knowingly engages in dishonest.practices or does their job unknowingly--which is to say, doesn't do their job. Neither good. Of course, a board can be complicit in dishonesty too, and the distinction is a little thin, but I still think it's important to keep in mind.
The whole NAB angle is missing the point though. (Plus I don't know enough about it and am unlikely to change that. 😋)
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Noone has printed anything to show he promoted let alone believed in the outdated ideals of that organisation. He was forced to resign based on the ideals of the socialist , woke idealists who don’t believe in a democracy , people shouldnt Be sacked because they just belong to an organisation Conrad
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Noone has printed anything to show he promoted let alone believed in the outdated ideals of that organisation. He was forced to resign based on the ideals of the socialist , woke idealists who don’t believe in a democracy , people shouldnt Be sacked because they just belong to an organisation Conrad
Really it was just the EFC board.
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more whataboutism...
Thorburn was not appropriate for the job. Most people can see it.
Agree to disagree if you back him as a leader.
Willy you failed to address any of the points i mentioned. Funny that.
You are entitled to a view, but to label someone a churchy, when im the least person to identify as that, or a white man was low rate garbage but very typical in this day and age.
So Willy you (and others) failed to address other leaders floating around the place in high positions.
Fairness to you at least you actually replied. So now it would be nice if you could tell me the difference between what Peggy's board did as opposed to Thornburn. Yourself and one other person had a few things to say about cheating the public, but no such comments have been forthcoming when other names were mentioned. :shh :shh
I have absolutely no issue with either as time has passed and they were accountable, but i'm not the one who said he should be punished due to the RC church :shh
I appreciate the research you’ve done on this mate, but we are going around in circles here.
You seem to think Thorburn was a reasonable appointment because other people in similar roles have also done XYZ.
For me, regardless of what others have or have not done, he was inappropriate for the role due to what transpired under his tenure at NAB in addition to his links to an openly homophobic church.
Let’s leave it at that.
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We've done some major editing of this thread as it got way off topic
Enough with the insults, baiting and trolling
Appreciate some people will not be happy but it has all been done to try and bring this thread back on topic.
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It’s clear:-
He’s headed up one organisation that illegitimately took $650m from their customers
He’s headed up another which allowed views that simply bear no reservations to the values of the organisation he’s headed up
He’s applied for the job halfway through being on the committee that was tasked with employing it
Honestly, take your pick people.
It’s 3 lemons and his slot machine is throwing out a waterfall of coins
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I wonder if Simon Matthews interested now?
Wouldn't go near the place after the way he was treated