One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Yeahright on May 15, 2016, 11:47:09 AM
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Our half step back rebuild is complete. We've got games into some quality young kids who are now understanding how we want to play and what is required of an AFL footballer. By no means are we finished however, we will still be playing a blend of kids with older stop gap players but this is where the improvement begins. We will now be able to weed out the ones we don't want/need anymore and they will be gone at seasons end while the kids will continue to develop and get games. It's time for our 2 steps forward to begin...
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:facepalm
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I had toast for breakfast.... :help
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I had a silly thought. ....and maybe I am clutching at straws.
Last year we were playing like poo ( 2-4) and found ourselves training Collingwood by 20 points at quarter time . We then put on a 6 goal second quarter which seemed to spark our season. We won 13 of the next 16.
Lets face it - we have been horrendous all year....But the start to the final quarter last night was so exhilarating it could kick start something. :pray :pray
Having said that , although we do have some winnable games coming up our draw this season is incredibly tough.
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Do we want or need it though and how will that impact on us next year and thereafter. Let's face it, for the last 7 rounds we have just about all said that we don't have the depth, the coach, the game plan or the players. While last night was great and it's great to to win, would we rather have a poor year, get the top picks, trades and some free agency and go for it next year?
Just throwing out there RCGG.
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Our half step back rebuild is complete. We've got games into some quality young kids who are now understanding how we want to play and what is required of an AFL footballer. By no means are we finished however, we will still be playing a blend of kids with older stop gap players but this is where the improvement begins. We will now be able to weed out the ones we don't want/need anymore and they will be gone at seasons end while the kids will continue to develop and get games. It's time for our 2 steps forward to begin...
In theory it is reasonable - but for this to work, the reliance is on dimmer and the FD to actually make the tough calls on consistently inconsistent 'spuds' that keep getting games and on that front, Im not confident at all.
But yes, last night menadue made some shocking errors early doors but worked his way into the game and came good. C. Ellis is looking much more comfortable, rioli has settled in nicely. Would love for the likes of Lennon, Conca and Yarran to cement themselves and players like Markov, Broad, Butler, Moore, Chol to push and get gametime as the season progreses
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Hey, Hey We're The Monkees....
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I had a silly thought. ....and maybe I am clutching at straws.
Last year we were playing like poo ( 2-4) and found ourselves training Collingwood by 20 points at quarter time . We then put on a 6 goal second quarter which seemed to spark our season. We won 13 of the next 16.
Lets face it - we have been horrendous all year....But the start to the final quarter last night was so exhilarating it could kick start something. :pray :pray
Having said that , although we do have some winnable games coming up our draw this season is incredibly tough.
Yeah, I don't expect us to have another year like that but what's footy without some excitement. Our two steps forward aren't all going to be this year and I imagine it involves having a good dip at early-ish picks at the end of this year. Our half step back also turned into more of a full step back because of injuries (and a certain players suspension) hitting us harder than expected.
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Could we win the next five?
Potentially we could win 4 of them if we play well but I'd like to beat North and Geelong when we play them. It's been too long.
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I had a silly thought. ....and maybe I am clutching at straws.
Last year we were playing like poo ( 2-4) and found ourselves training Collingwood by 20 points at quarter time . We then put on a 6 goal second quarter which seemed to spark our season. We won 13 of the next 16.
Lets face it - we have been horrendous all year....But the start to the final quarter last night was so exhilarating it could kick start something. :pray :pray
Having said that , although we do have some winnable games coming up our draw this season is incredibly tough.
9th :clapping
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Pick 10 that becomes pick 16 with concessions, bids and compo picks - here we come! :clapping :gotigers :clapping
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Pick 10 that becomes pick 16 with concessions, bids and compo picks - here we come! :clapping :gotigers :clapping
B Ellis mk 3
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Pick 10 that becomes pick 16 with concessions, bids and compo picks - here we come! :clapping :gotigers :clapping
B Ellis mk 3
Who's mk2?
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Would rather we play well. If we are going to lure Hurley over, finishing below Essendon isn't going to help our cause.
Would rather the team bust a gut with a half decent playing style/game plan and try and win and if we fall to 9th so be it.
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Would rather we play well. If we are going to lure Hurley over, finishing below Essendon isn't going to help our cause.
Would rather the team bust a gut with a half decent playing style/game plan and try and win and if we fall to 9th so be it.
Yep honestly getting pick 5 VS pick 10 shouldn't be such a big deal. Draft is always deep enough for a first round pick!
And it's the trade/free agency targets that we need to nail to transform our team. Drafting 1-2 good kids/year won't help us contend while guys like Jack, Rance and Lids are in the team because they will take at least 2-3 years to be of any consistent use.
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COMING HOME HARD
Richmond has the score on the board when it comes to mid-season revivals.
BEFORE ROUND 7 AFTER ROUND 7
WIN LOSS PER CENT WIN LOSS PER CENT
2016 1 6 73% 1 N/A 101%
2015 3 4 103% 12 3 136%
2014 2 5 89% 10 5 116%
2013 4 3 108% 11 4 132%
Changes to top eight after Round 8
2015 (two in): Western Bulldogs (4-4), North Melbourne (4-4)
2014 (three in): Richmond (2-6), North Melbourne (4-4), Essendon (4-4)
2013 (one in): Carlton (4-4)*
2012 (two in): Geelong (4-4), North Melbourne (3-5)
2011 (two in): St Kilda (1-1-6), North Melbourne (4-4)
2010 (one in): Hawthorn (4-4)
*Included after Essendon’s ban
Richmond’s next six weeks
Fremantle, Subiaco
Essendon, MCG
North Melbourne, Blundstone Arena
Gold Coast, MCG
Bye
Brisbane Lions, MCG
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-win-over-sydney-has-given-the-tigers-confidence-that-could-set-up-another-unlikely-finals-run/news-story/4f7392fd7b48370b17f5eabae9959853
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Play the kids and let the chips fall wherever they may....doubt ladder position will have that much of an influence on Hurley's decision......as long as we can sell him the future by showing him we have still a solid core of stars, good kids coming through and a real intent to bring some quality in with him and we offer him the right deal....
Yep honestly getting pick 5 VS pick 10 shouldn't be such a big deal.
You reckon?
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Yep honestly getting pick 5 VS pick 10 shouldn't be such a big deal.
You reckon?
I reckon there's a big difference between pick 5 vs 10. Especially when 5 could still be 5 maybe 6 whereas 10 will probably shift to like 12-13
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WHAT THE?
One punter is back on board the Tigers bandwagon, betting $100 at $501 on Richmond to win the flag.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-form/early-mark-punters-backing-richmond-essendon-in-round-9/news-story/5e513e25ffcede221886cb4045c43f95
:laugh:
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Can your team make the top eight? We look at the race to September
JON ANDERSON
Herald Sun
May 19, 2016
JUST ask Fremantle supporters how an AFL draw can drastically change after eight rounds.
Home games penned in as wins against Gold Coast and Carlton suddenly become shattering losses as a new football reality takes hold.
The slide of the Dockers has made a trip west to face the purple haze not so much daunting, as the AFL’s new must-do trip.
And you want West Coast, grand finalists last season, to come to your place and play after a disastrous run of road losses in 2016.
Collingwood had top-four potential when the draw came out last October, but now seeing them as your next-up opponent doesn’t send your head spinning.
Richmond and Port Adelaide similarly were worrisome when the season began, but their fluctuating fortunes have changed the appraisal.
But as some fall, some rise.
GWS has arrived and home or away, Leon Cameron’s men are a fearsome challenge.
And the Kangaroos have seemingly taken that step from wannabes to contenders and confronting them, especially at Etihad Stadium, looms as a tougher task than it may have been before a goal was kicked in anger.
Now the Blues too are not the “bye” some referred to them as recently as March. You have to be on to beat Brendon Bolton’s reset charges.
HOW IS YOUR TEAM PLACED IN THE RUN HOME? (Finals contenders only)
Luck of the Draw Teams
Difficult North Melbourne
Sydney Swans
Collingwood
Carlton
Fair Western Bulldogs
Port Adelaide
West Coast
Gold Coast
Melbourne
Richmond
Hawthorn
Good GWS Giants
Adelaide
Geelong
St Kilda
So eight rounds in, pre-season prognostications have been turned on their head to a degree.
A “tough draw” is relative to form, and the passage to September may not be what it was.
For some what loomed as a cushy season is not that any more, indeed it may have got tougher. The opposite could also be true.
You should be happy if you backed Geelong, which has dropped just one game, and 6-2 GWS to make the top four, given they enjoy two of the friendliest runs home and are in better shape than most of their rivals in terms of depth.
The Cats have five games at Simonds Stadium, with seven up the highway at Etihad and the MCG and their interstate trips are to play Fremantle and Brisbane at the Gabba. Top four is almost a lock.
The Giants, $7.50 to win the flag despite never having played a final, play eight sides outside the eight and their interstate trips are against Gold Coast, Essendon, Brisbane and Richmond.
Much was been made of North Melbourne’s run, they had to be at worst 7-2 by Round 9 in most pre-season analysis.
They are 8-0, but needed to be, because their run home remains a tough one with nine games against teams currently in the eight, including two games against both Sydney and Hawthorn.
As far as premiership aspirants go, the Roos and Sydney have the hardest rows to hoe.
Fair to middling remain the task for the rest, including would-be top eight fillers, with more twists and turns sure to come as the resurgent Tigers and Pies get their seasons going.
In a month they could be flying, and as injuries come home to roost, the Blues could again be easybeats. Or not.
Recent history says changes to the top eight are limited to one, maybe two teams this far in to the season.
But as the first eight weeks have shown, form is fleeting and anything could happen.
THE ROAD TO SEPTEMBER (Finals contenders only)
NORTH MELBOURNE 8-0
RUN HOME: Carlton (Etihad), Sydney (SCG), Richmond (Blundstone), Geelong Cats (Etihad), Hawthorn (Etihad), Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), BYE, West Coast (Subiaco), Port Adelaide (Etihad), Collingwood (Etihad), St Kilda (Etihad), Western Bulldogs (Etihad), Hawthorn (MCG), Sydney (Hobart), GWS Giants (Etihad).
ANDO SAYS: Plays nine games against teams currently in the eight, including Sydney at the SCG, Adelaide at Adelaide Oval and West Coast in Perth.
GEELONG 7-1
RUN HOME: Collingwood (MCG), Carlton (Etihad), GWS Giants (Simonds), North Melbourne (Etihad), Western Bulldogs (Etihad), St Kilda (Etihad), BYE, Sydney Swans (Simonds), Fremantle (Subiaco), Adelaide (Simonds), Western Bulldogs (Simonds), Essendon (Etihad), Richmond (MCG), Brisbane Lions (Gabba), Melbourne (Simonds)
ANDO SAYS: Five games at Simonds Stadium, five at Etihad, two at the MCG to come and the two interstate trips are to Fremantle and Brisbane.
GWS GIANTS 6-2
RUN HOME: Western Bulldogs (Spotless), Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Geelong Cats (Simonds), Sydney (Spotless), Essendon (Etihad), Carlton (Spotless), BYE, Collingwood (Etihad), Brisbane (Gabba), Port Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Richmond (Canberra), Gold Coast (Metricon), West Coast (Spotless), Fremantle (Spotless), North Melbourne (Etihad)
ANDO SAYS: Play eight sides outside the eight and interstate trips include games against Gold Coast, Essendon, Brisbane and Richmond.
SYDNEY SWANS 6-2
RUN HOME: Hawthorn (MCG), North Melbourne (SCG), Gold Coast (Metricon), GWS Giants (Spotless), Melbourne (SCG), BYE, Western Bulldogs (SCG), Geelong (Simonds), Hawthorn (SCG), Carlton (SCG), Fremantle (Subiaco), Port Adelaide (SCG), St Kilda (Etihad), North Melbourne (Blundstone), Richmond (SCG)
ANDO SAYS: Has played only three in the top eight so it naturally gets harder. Seven games against top-eight teams including North twice, Geelong in Geelong and Hawthorn at the MCG.
WESTERN BULLDOGS 6-2
RUN HOME: GWS Giants (Spotless), Collingwood (MCG), West Coast (Etihad), Port Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Geelong (Etihad), BYE, Sydney Swans (SCG), Richmond (Etihad), Gold Coast (Cairns), St Kilda (Etihad), Geelong (Simonds), North Melbourne (Etihad), Collingwood (Etihad), Essendon (Etihad), Fremantle (Subiaco)
ANDO SAYS: Played four from the top eight and gets Geelong, Sydney and GWS away on the run home, plus they play the Cats twice.
HAWTHORN 6-2
RUN HOME: Sydney (MCG), Brisbane (Gabba), Melbourne (MCG), Essendon (Etihad), North Melbourne (Etihad), Gold Coast (Aurora), BYE, Port Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Sydney (SCG), Richmond (MCG), Carlton (Aurora), Melbourne (MCG), North Melbourne (MCG), West Coast Eagles (Subiaco), Collingwood (MCG)
ANDO SAYS: Has had the hardest early draw, so 6-2 is a good result. They do get North twice from here plus West Coast and Sydney away, but no Geelong or GWS.
WEST COAST 5-3
HOME RUN: Port Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Gold Coast (Subiaco), Western Bulldogs (Etihad), Adelaide (Subiaco), Brisbane (Gabba), BYE, Essendon (Etihad), North Melbourne (Subiaco), Carlton (Etihad), Melbourne (MCG), Collingwood (MCG), Fremantle (Subiaco), GWS Giants (Spotless), Hawthorn (Subiaco), Adelaide (Adelaide Oval)
ANDO SAYS: Has played only three of the top eight to date but they have all been away games, and they don’t travel well.
ADELAIDE 4-4
HOME RUN: Gold Coast (Metricon), GWS Giants (Adelaide Oval), St Kilda (Adelaide Oval), West Coast (Subiaco), BYE, North Melbourne (Adelaide Oval), Melbourne (MCG), Carlton (Etihad), Collingwood (Adelaide Oval), Geelong Cats (Simonds), Essendon (Adelaide Oval), Brisbane Lions (Adelaide Oval), Fremantle (Subiaco), Port Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), West Coast (Adelaide Oval)
ANDO SAYS: With Hawthorn had the hardest early draw, at least on paper, playing six of last year’s top eight plus Geelong (Freo and Richmond have made that easier). Run home attractive.
MELBOURNE 4-4
HOME RUN: Brisbane Lions (MCG), Port Adelaide (Alice Springs), Hawthorn (MCG), Collingwood (MCG), Sydney (SCG), BYE, Adelaide (MCG), Fremantle (Darwin), St Kilda (Etihad), West Coast (Subiaco), Gold Coast (MCG), Hawthorn (MCG), Port Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Carlton (MCG), Geelong (Simonds)
ANDO SAYS: Only had three finalists from last year so far and cop more on the way home, plus Geelong away. Five interstate trips to come.
PORT ADELAIDE 4-4
RUN HOME: West Coast Eagles (Adelaide Oval), Melbourne (Alice Springs), Collingwood (MCG), Western Bulldogs (Adelaide Oval), Fremantle (Subiaco), BYE, Richmond (MCG), Hawthorn (Adelaide Oval), North Melbourne (Etihad), GWS Giants (Adelaide Oval), Brisbane (Gabba), Sydney (SCG), Melbourne (Adelaide Oval), Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Gold Coast (Metricon)
ANDO SAYS: Plays seven games in Adelaide. Away games include Brisbane, Gold Coast and Fremantle.
CARLTON 4-4
RUN HOME: North Melbourne (Etihad), Geelong (Etihad), Brisbane (Etihad), St Kilda (Etihad), BYE, GWS Giants (Spotless), Collingwood (MCG), Adelaide (MCG), West Coast (MCG), Sydney (SCG), Hawthorn (Aurora), St Kilda (MCG), Brisbane (Gabba), Melbourne (MCG), Essendon (MCG)
ANDO SAYS: Has had a challenging early draw so 4-4 is excellent. Plays Brisbane (twice), St Kilda (twice), Essendon and Melbourne but also plays seven top-eight sides.
COLLINGWOOD 3-5
RUN HOME: Geelong (MCG), Western Bulldogs (MCG), Port Adelaide (MCG), Melbourne (MCG), BYE, Fremantle (MCG), Carlton (MCG), GWS Giants (Spotless), Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), North Melbourne (Etihad), West Coast (MCG), Richmond (MCG), Western Bulldogs (Etihad), Gold Coast (Etihad), Hawthorn (MCG)
ANDO SAYS: What looked a cushy early draw, one that should have seen them 6-2, turned into a nightmare. Still to play eight current top-eight teams but only travels twice.
GOLD COAST 3-5
RUN HOME: Adelaide (Metricon), West Coast (Subiaco), Sydney (Metricon), Richmond (MCG), BYE, Hawthorn (Aurora), St Kilda (Metricon), Brisbane (Metricon), Western Bulldogs (Cazaly), Fremantle (Metricon), Melbourne (MCG), GWS Giants (Metricon), Essendon (Etihad), Collingwood (Etihad), Port Adelaide (Metricon)
ANDO SAYS: Current form has made the Suns’ draw largely irrelevant.
ST KILDA 2-6
RUN HOME: Essendon (Etihad), Fremantle (Etihad), Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Carlton (Etihad), BYE, Geelong (Etihad), Gold Coast (Metricon), Essendon (Etihad), Melbourne (Etihad), Western Bulldogs (Etihad), North Melbourne (Etihad), Carlton (MCG), Sydney (Etihad), Richmond (MCG), Brisbane (Etihad)
ANDO SAYS: Has a good run home with nine teams outside the eight.
RICHMOND 2-6
RUN HOME: Fremantle (Subiaco), Essendon (MCG), North Melbourne (Blundstone), Gold Coast (MCG), Brisbane (MCG), Port Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Western Bulldogs (Etihad), Essendon (MCG), Hawthorn (MCG), GWS Giants (Canberra), Collingwood (MCG), Geelong (MCG), St Kilda (MCG), Sydney (SCG)
ANDO SAYS: Has to travel five times which is the downside.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/can-your-team-make-the-top-eight-we-look-at-the-race-to-september/news-story/54abfb1d1d790008d1014bcf2750c34f
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Reckon we can make it
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I reckon we wont
and I'll go as far as to say that I reckon it that it's in our best interest if we don't....
Make the 8 and we again will fail to acknowledge and so something about our list problems
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I reckon we wont
and I'll go as far as to say that I reckon it that it's in our best interest if we don't....
Make the 8 and we again will fail to acknowledge and so something about our list problems
If they haven't achnowledged that after this start, seriously the whole club needs to be turned upside down
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Like someone said the other day, I'm happy either way as long as the side we field is without the deadwood that isn't our future. We all know who they are, and they still can get a kick but they are not the future, but I'll name them again. Chaplin, Houli, Hunt, Grigg are the obvious ones.
Hampson is an interesting one, I'd like to see him till the end of the year and then reassess.
Play the kids and see how our cards fall.
Best case they show they are long term players and we may make the finals, the worst case we miss the finals but get a decent draft pick to add to our side for next year..
From the outside its a no brainer, but it is the RFC.
Either way, they need to bold with trades at the end of the year. Hard decisions need to be made.
If Hurley is even considering leaving the Bombers, it needs to be to us. He is a free hit, all it will cost is money. We could still have a really good pick to do with what we want. (Trade or pick an elite kid in the draft)
Players like Vickery, Griff, BEllis, Astbury, Batchelor, Conca, all need to be up for trade.
Even McBean and Lennon need to be offered if we don't intend to play them. Not much point having them waste away in the VFL..
I'm hoping with all the mistakes that have been made for such a long period of time that someone will stand up and turn this club around. It can be done and it doesn't have to take 8 years, as long as we are what our club song says we are, and that "BOLD"
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I reckon we wont
and I'll go as far as to say that I reckon it that it's in our best interest if we don't....
Make the 8 and we again will fail to acknowledge and so something about our list problems
Your talking about a team who won many games in a row last season. Defeated many of the Top 8 sides or were just shy.
A team ravaged by injury this year will only give games to those who need a few games & the chance to show their own talent. Who could be the next Judd, Matthews, Cousins, Harvey or even a Rioli ;D l think we have a good list just some have dropped of & still think Newman is behind them :snidegrin
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The list needs improving and that is an understatement. However, a good club will always think they should be continually improving their list.
I think our other problem is game plan. The players do not seem to know it as they hesitate every time they have the ball in hand. This may be improving but they still seem to have several thoughts in their mind when they get the ball. When you look at so called poor sides like Carlton and Essendon, the players already seem well drilled and know what to do immediately. To me that is a coaching problem and it is this hesitation that makes our players look worse than they are. When they don't hesitate the team looks so much better with more fluid ball movement.
Can we make the 8? Of course we can. Will we make the 8? I doubt it. The next 4 weeks will tell us which way we will go. We need to win a minimum of 3 games to have a reasonable chance. Our form suggests we will be lucky to win 2.
I just hope that when it is absolutely obvious we won't be making the final 8, we play as many of our kids as possible and drop the so called list cloggers to the magoos. We need to see what the next generation can offer us and see who can improve rapidly on the big stage.
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I reckon we wont
and I'll go as far as to say that I reckon it that it's in our best interest if we don't....
Make the 8 and we again will fail to acknowledge and so something about our list problems
What we will do
And what is in our best interst to do
Are not the same thing
My tanking advocating friend
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I reckon we wont
and I'll go as far as to say that I reckon it that it's in our best interest if we don't....
Make the 8 and we again will fail to acknowledge and so something about our list problems
What we will do
And what is in our best interst to do
Are not the same thing
My tanking advocating friend
I am actually not a tanking advocate, never have been and i have not suggested we should tank.
But i do think that we have over rated our list. Especially at the end of last season
This season has again proved that when our best players are out injured or out of form we struggle, that means there a depth issues
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Your talking about a team who won many games in a row last season. Defeated many of the Top 8 sides or were just shy.
A team ravaged by injury this year will only give games to those who need a few games & the chance to show their own talent. Who could be the next Judd, Matthews, Cousins, Harvey or even a Rioli ;D l think we have a good list just some have dropped of & still think Newman is behind them :snidegrin
I am also talking about a side that has lost 3 elimination finals in a row.
A club that has over rated its list
A club that traded for or signed mainly C/grade free agents the last 2 seasons
To be honest i have no idea how good our depth is because we refuse to play kids, rather we play the recycled guys or blokes that arent our future.
I agree with big tone play the kids see how the cards fall.
But continuing down the path where we play the usual suspencts make finals and lose is not going to improve us, it will yet again hide the obvious deficiencies
Thats why i said i thought it was in our best interests not make the 8
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:lol
;)
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We will miss finals but end up winning 10 - 11 games and end up in no mans land again. Bookmark it.
Its the Richmond way. End up with a nice vanilla flavoured first round pick.
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We will miss finals but end up winning 10 - 11 games and end up in no mans land again. Bookmark it.
Its the Richmond way. End up with a nice vanilla flavoured first round pick.
Which we will trade out of desperation for a mentally deficient "super talent" that is currently playing at reserve grade. Cloke anyone? The Richmond Way.
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:lol must have deep pockets
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We will miss finals but end up winning 10 - 11 games and end up in no mans land again. Bookmark it.
Its the Richmond way. End up with a nice vanilla flavoured first round pick.
I was going to say this - 10-11 wins book it
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going nowhere
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Make the 8
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Get on board. We're going to see some real improvement over the next 12-18 months :clapping
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:lol must have deep pockets
Leicester won against the billions of Chelsea and city ...
Rance deledio and that are good players
A few injuries to grigg and Hampson an you never know what could happen
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:lol must have deep pockets
Leicester won against the billions of Chelsea and city ...
Rance deledio and that are good players
A few injuries to grigg and Hampson an you never know what could happen
Leicester has an astute manager
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yes one of them would help
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Two-in-a-row and we've got the Bombers next week. The comeback is on ;D.
[nb. ignores upcoming reality check the week after dreamtime]
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Norf are not that good ...
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Almost beat them last year in EF. :shh
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Things are looking up for Richmond, but ...
Brad Elborough
The Age
22 May, 2016
Take it easy on any Richmond supporters that you know over the next couple of months.
A one-point win over Sydney, backed up with a convincing 38-point win over Fremantle, in Perth, has breathed some life into the Tigers season.
And the upcoming six-week stretch is by far the softest part of their draw. Besides North Melbourne, they play Essendon (next week), the Gold Coast, Brisbane and Port Adelaide. And they have a bye.
Realistically, the once 1-6 record could improve to 7-7 by the end of round 15.
If all goes to plan, the "yellow and black" will be well and truly ringing in your ears.
However, finding the four or five wins required to play finals football, from the remaining eight games after that, poses a massive problem.
The Tigers play the Bombers again (in round 17), but of the other seven sides, five of them (the Western Bulldogs, Hawthorn, GWS, Geelong and Sydney) are all in the top eight, Collingwood have found some amazing form and St Kilda are also on the improve.
The emotional roller-coaster that the Tigers faithful have in front of them could be akin to a Disneyland attraction.
But surely they are used to that by now.
There is renewed belief in the group now though and coach Damien Hardwick said that his side had taken a step in consolidating the after-the-siren win over Sydney with a win over Fremantle.
"It was really important to back it up and make sure we gain some momentum," he said. "We spoke about it during the week. The win was terrific last week but what the players wanted to do with it; it could either be a great win and they don't capitalise on it or they continue to work in the game and get the result they required this week.
"Every week in the AFL competition, you are seeing good sides get up. You only have to be off your game by 10 per cent and you'll get beaten.
"We have got a side in Essendon that has played incredibly well this year at times in stages. They are like a younger side at stages that hasn't been able to finish off.
"But if you don't come to play, you'll get beaten."
That could be great advice for sides coming up against Richmond in the second half of the season.
Especially if Trent Cotchin stays fit.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/things-are-looking-up-for-richmond-tigers-but-there-could-be-speed-bumps-in-their-draw-20160522-gp0s3m.html
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Almost beat them last year in EF. :shh
With the better half of them rested ...
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I think we will see some much improved football over the next few months but the draw this year is too tough to make finals
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North who have have us mentally beaten already
Hawthorn
Edihad specialists Bulldogs
Dangerfield inspired Geelong
Frankensteins monster GWS
Sydney Squeeze.
Looks pretty scary to me.
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The comp is pretty close this year.
If we lift our game a bit I reckon we can give the dogs a run for their money.
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The comp is pretty close this year.
If we lift our game a bit I reckon we can give the dogs a run for their money.
Sweet Dreams baby
We would need a 50 story lift to beat the dogs IMHO, but will stand corrected should that occur
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Their injuries would help us
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Reality is we need 11-13 wins to make the eight - Can only drop 2-3 matches from here to do it.
Freo are crapola - We have been terrible this year apart from the Sydney game.
I Hope but we need a bigger turn around than what has been done so far. Essendon Gold Coast and Brisbane all at the G in the next 4 weeks are a must - drop one its over - Win them and prove something against Norf in Tassie and it may just be on.
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I think we can peg ( no pun intended ) it back to 6-7 but we then face a massive crunch match against Port Adelaide.
Our season will hinge on the out come of that match.
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I reckon we will find a way to stuff this season up. I'm certain we will lose to the Roos and have a feeling we will drop a game to one of the Brisbanes
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Making a late charge to 9th!
:gotigers
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Yeah na, it was a good effort by the boys finish the year strong
Can't make the eight but can shape it
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Reality is we need 11-13 wins to make the eight - Can only drop 2-3 matches from here to do it.
With our crap % 11 or 12 wont be enough IMESHO
We need 13 wins and just cannot see it happening
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Reality is we need 11-13 wins to make the eight - Can only drop 2-3 matches from here to do it.
With our crap % 11 or 12 wont be enough IMESHO
We need 13 wins and just cannot see it happening
oops that was supposed to be 12-13, but yeah need to beat the bumblers by 100 this weekend to start.
I dont see it happening either, which really pees me off because its up for grabs this year :banghead
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Reality is we need 11-13 wins to make the eight - Can only drop 2-3 matches from here to do it.
With our crap % 11 or 12 wont be enough IMESHO
We need 13 wins and just cannot see it happening
yep, which just amazes me that we seemed so content to play the game out against freo without going for the juggular - anyone could see freo were ripe for a 70-80 point thumping if the opposition was willing (or good enough)
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Way to twist my thread into a short sighted "we can make the eight" thread :banghead
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Don't worry fellas, finals were never part of the plan and we're right on track.
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Lmao at all this faith that is based on our ability to beat the worst sides in the comp.
Stuff the 8. Play as many kids as possible and if we get there doing that then great.
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Why would you want his list with this coach clogging up the finals series again?
They don't know how to win one and go to water on the day.
Truth is they don't deserve to make finals and the less favourable draw this year has shown why.
Lmao at "Making" finals being a target, not winning finals.
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Sorry Tigers, stats say no finals
Herald-Sun
6 June 2016
NATHAN Buckley, Damien Hardwick and Alan Richardson can start channelling Lloyd Christmas.
The bowl-cutted goofball from Dumb and Dumber beamed “So you’re telling me there’s a chance” when told his odds of wooing a girl were one in a million — and it’s a similar story for Collingwood, Richmond and St Kilda.
Exclusive Champion Data statistics reveal those clubs are all just a 1 per cent chance of reaching this year’s finals.
“We are still firmly of the belief that if we get everything right we can challenge for the eight,” Tigers coach “Dimma” Hardwick said on Saturday.
“It is going to be incredibly tough (but) we’ve done it before. We’ll back ourselves in and give ourselves every chance.”
Sorry, Dimma, but the AFL’s official number cruncher disagrees.
Scott Pendlebury labelled Queen’s Birthday a must-win, but the analysis says it’s almost certainly too little too late for the injury-crippled Magpies.
And Hawthorn fans dreaming of a historic fourth straight premiership have also been dealt a gloomy forecast.
Despite sitting cosy at 8-3 and with only four remaining games against top-eight clubs, the Hawks are just a one in three shot of reaching the top four.
CLUB FINALS TOP 4 TOP 2 MINOR PREM SPOON
Sydney Swans 97% 69% 44% 26% 0%
North Melbourne 95% 59% 34% 19% 0%
GWS Giants 95% 56% 27% 12% 0%
Western Bulldogs 95% 54% 27% 14% 0%
Geelong Cats 95% 53% 27% 13% 0%
Adelaide Crows 91% 41% 16% 6% 0%
Hawthorn 86% 33% 13% 5% 0%
West Coast Eagles 86% 31% 11% 4% 0%
Port Adelaide 38% 4% 1% 0% 0%
Carlton 11% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Melbourne 7% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Richmond 1% 0% 0% 0% 0%
St Kilda 1% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Collingwood 1% 0% 0% 0% 0%
Gold Coast Suns 0% 0% 0% 0% 2%
Fremantle 0% 0% 0% 0% 15%
Brisbane Lions 0% 0% 0% 0% 35%
Essendon 0% 0% 0% 0% 47%
The last time Hawthorn finished outside the four was 2010, when giants were ruckmen and not a growing premiership force.
Under the current system no club has ever pinched a flag without the security of a double-chance.
Champion Data says only four clubs can collect the wooden spoon.
Essendon is nearly a 50-50 shot of clinching its first No.1 draft pick, followed by battling Brisbane.
And the statistical recipe, which factors in ladder position, draw difficulty and percentage, has marked Saturday night’s Geelong-North Melbourne clash as the most critical of Round 12.
The result will deliver a 22 per cent swing in top-four hopes for the Scott-coached clubs, with a Kangas victory set to drop the Cats’ chances to just 40 per cent.
Ouch.
The calculator has also done no favours for Melbourne.
The Demons are poised to finally enter a Queen’s Birthday clash as favourite, but the maths says this game borders on irrelevant.
A win against the Pies would only lift Melbourne to a 9 per cent chance of breaking its decade-long finals drought.
But with the top eight evenly split between Victorian and non-Victorian clubs, a top-two finish and home qualifying final also looms as crucial.
West Coast is the face of that, the Grand Finalist’s record forceful at home and farcical on the road.
Well, after losing to the Bulldogs the Eagles hopes of emulating last year’s heroics have been slashed.
The bookies have the Dogs seventh in line to stay in the top four, but a win against Port Adelaide will have them in the box seat with a 64 per cent chance.
And that doesn’t consider the impending returns of All-Australian Easton Wood, dasher Jason Johannisen and No.1 pick Tom Boyd.
A Power win against the Dogs would have Ken Hinkley’s men just shy of a 50-50 hope of playing finals and continuing the trend of a side sneaking into the eight from the Round 11 mix.
Since 2000 there has been a change in all but three seasons.
And a Herald Sun ladder predictor completed yesterday resulted in five clubs tied on 16-6 with a five-game break to the ninth-placed Power.
Whether it’s equalisation or evolution, chances are we’re heading for a photo finish.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/footy-form/champion-data-rates-every-clubs-chances-of-playing-finals-this-year/news-story/722b6516ccc73283e1c8de1b8085dcb9
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Lmao at all this faith that is based on our ability to beat the worst sides in the comp.
Stuff the 8. Play as many kids as possible and if we get there doing that then great.
This was never about making the eight (until someone decided to merge the thread ::))
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9th discussion was it?
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We all know we wont play finals this year. In fact the eight has looked set in stone for about a month now.
We should beat Brisbane and become 6-7 ( which makes the Collingwood game hurt even more ).
Two games and massive percentage outside the eight.
Funny thing is back in 2014 ( at the same stage ) we were 5 GAMES AND PERCENTAGE out side the eight. That really was a remarkable year.
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9th
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We still have another 1 and 3/4 steps forward to go and it's progressing a bit slower than anticipated but its coming along don't you worry about that
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Champion Data gives us a 2% chance of making the finals.
Richmond has won five of its past six but most have come against lowly-ranked opponents so the Tigers’ finals chances have barely budged. Claim an upset against Port Adelaide or the Dogs in the next two weeks and those numbers will look a lot brighter.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-form/champion-datas-finals-chances-after-round-14-not-good-news-for-north-melbourne/news-story/5d327966f9b9a09600932e904396d6a9
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:clapping
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When Richmond fell to 1-6 earlier in the season we were 3 games out side the top 8.
Even if we win on Friday night , to resurrect our season to 7-7 ( which is quite a commendable effort ) we will still be 2 games outside the 8.
Its just not going to happen this year. No one in the 8 looks remotely wonky. It will take a minimum 14 wins .
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9th isn't commendable
It's bad
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9th isn't commendable
It's bad
We wont finish 9th . Port will finish 9th
My guesstimate is we will finish 12th behind Port , Melb and St kilda.
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When Richmond fell to 1-6 earlier in the season we were 3 games out side the top 8.
Even if we win on Friday night , to resurrect our season to 7-7 ( which is quite a commendable effort ) we will still be 2 games outside the 8.
Its just not going to happen this year. No one in the 8 looks remotely wonky. It will take a minimum 14 wins .
It was never about making the eight (despite the merging of topics to make it seem that way ::)), that would have just been a bonus. It has been about development but unfortunately injuries at the start of the year turned our half step back into a full step back
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Development of young grigg Chaplin Hampson Morris Houli.
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We'll be lucky to win another game this year and it's not in our interests to finish higher up the ladder, but perversely, with North in free fall, we could still fall into the top 8 if we were to win 5 of the remaining six games :snidegrin.
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We'll be lucky to win another game this year and it's not in our interests to finish higher up the ladder, but perversely, with North in free fall, we could still fall into the top 8 if we were to win 5 of the remaining six games :snidegrin.
Or Ninth, remember we want to shape the Eight this year. :shh
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Shape the bottom 8..
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Gale wants to be afl CEO
His ticker isn't in it. Flog
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It's all for the long term fellas. 2 steps forward :clapping
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Alright fellas, now Dimma will prove you all wrong as we take our 2 steps forward!
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Bump
Despite the mods best attempts to derail/twist the thread (it was never about making finals ::)) you can all hopefully see what I was talking about. It was obvious Dimma had had enough and decided to forget last year and make sure we were poised to continue our improvement this year and boy has it worked so far :clapping
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Most of us credit the huge improvement in team tactics to the new assistant coaches as they are the ones that have brought in the new ideas. Kudos to Dimma in at least accepting their input.
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Most of us credit the huge improvement in team tactics to the new assistant coaches as they are the ones that have brought in the new ideas. Kudos to Dimma in at least accepting their input.
I think a few people are putting the tail before the dog. Dimma found people that could implement his ideas, not the other way around :shh
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Most of us credit the huge improvement in team tactics to the new assistant coaches as they are the ones that have brought in the new ideas. Kudos to Dimma in at least accepting their input.
I think a few people are putting the tail before the dog. Dimma found people that could implement his ideas, not the other way around :shh
Dimma found?
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Sourced? Call it what you want
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Sourced? Call it what you want
Yeah I dont think so - his arm had to be twisted to get rid of his previous assistants. To try and claim that he and he alone sourced his new assistants is laughable
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lol
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Sourced? Call it what you want
Yeah I dont think so - his arm had to be twisted to get rid of his previous assistants. To try and claim that he and he alone sourced his new assistants is laughable
Of course he didn't do it purely alone. But to think he didn't have a say in getting rid of them and finding new ones is the truly laughable thing.
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Poor Dimma, if we won it this year he'd be the most unheralded coach of all time.
Saying that, Dad reckons Tony Jewell couldn't coach a peanut to be salty.
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If Richmond win the flag there will be interesting discussion on here regarding Hardwick.
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If Halfstep has any integrity he'll send Caracella up to collect his medal and hold up the cup with Cotchin.... :shh
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Sourced? Call it what you want
Yeah I dont think so - his arm had to be twisted to get rid of his previous assistants. To try and claim that he and he alone sourced his new assistants is laughable
Of course he didn't do it purely alone. But to think he didn't have a say in getting rid of them and finding new ones is the truly laughable thing.
Agreed. Truly laughable.
Dimma: - :angel: oh look, we had a dissapointing 2016, but in a funny sort of way, it was successful as the coaching staff showed great endeavour ......and that's important to us.
Powers that be:- >:( yeah, well Damien we either sack you or sack the assistants
Dimma:- :o oh....ok. Well....erm.....how about we sack those assistants and keep me? I'm sure we can....erm....source some new ones?
Powers that be:- >:( thanks for your input Damien. We'll take it from here.
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All hardwick is used for is a token of stability.
They realised he's useless , so they rewrote the script.
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People just can't see the forest for the trees
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Reminds me of athiests debating creationists.
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Now that the hype has died down a bit I thought it appropriate to bump this :shh :shh