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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on June 28, 2004, 05:40:38 PM
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4:02:32 PM Mon 28 June, 2004
Ashley Browne
Sportal/exclusive to afl.com.au
Rodney Eade: ‘Rocket’ has taken a lower-profile than his former Hawk teammate Terry Wallace, but that changed last weekend when he spoke candidly in the The Sunday Age of his desire to enter the coaching fray once more. The former Hawthorn premiership wingman and Swans coach would love to return to Victoria and what works in his favour here is that he has a good working relationship with Tiger football director Greg Miller from their time together at Arden Street in the mid 1990s. Not only did Eade work under Denis Pagan as an assistant coach, but he also worked with Miller as a football manager. He fits the bill perfectly given the club’s stated desire for an ‘experienced coach’.
Terry Wallace: Not many people remember that in between his outstanding playing career with Hawthorn and his playing/coaching career with the Western Bulldogs, Wallace spent an uneventful season in 1987 playing 11 games for the Tigers. Like Eade, Wallace would bring the coaching experience the club desperately craves, but what particularly appeals in this instance is that Wallace would be equally comfortable out on the hustings selling his new club to sponsors and supporters. Make no mistake, the new coach of Richmond would have to be comfortable at the forefront of whatever marketing and promotional initiatives are required by the club.
Kevin Sheedy: Don’t laugh. Until such time as the Bombers confirm that Sheedy is their man for the next three years, he has to be considered to be in contention for the job at Richmond, the club for which he played 251 games and was a member of three premiership teams. Sheedy would guarantee 10,000 extra members and at least $1 million in extra marketing income for the Tigers should he be persuaded to ‘come home’. While it is highly likely that Sheedy will remain at Essendon, this actually marks the first time that Richmond is actively seeking a new coach at the same time as Sheedy remains uncontracted at the end of the season.
Gary Ayres: After 10 seasons at Geelong and Adelaide, her would bring experience and hardness to Punt Road. But the feeling is that Ayres might take a spell for a year before re-entering the fray, with the likelihood being that he may wait for the outcome of events at his former club, Hawthorn, before resuming his coaching career.
Mark Harvey: If Sheedy is unavailable, the Tigers may yet turn to Harvey, his trusted lieutenant of the last seven seasons. Harvey has been front and centre at Essendon – one of the premier clubs of the competition on and off the field – and would bring plenty of contemporary fresh thinking to Punt Road. The query on Harvey is his stated unwillingness to be at a club that might be restricted in its ability to have a full-staffed footy department and pay 100 per cent of the salary cap.
Gary O’Donnell: Is there a better pedigree for an aspiring senior coach? If he was a racehorse he might be “By Matthews out of Sheedy”. O’Donnell was a decorated player and skipper at Essendon and has sat alongside Leigh Matthews at Brisbane as the Lions racked up flag after flag after flag. The Fox Footy shows From the Lips of Lethal give an inkling of his important O’Donnell is to the coaching arrangements in Brisbane and how valuable his counsel is for Matthews. O’Donnell yearns to return to Victoria in the right role, but has admitted that the right job in football administration could appeal as much as a senior coaching role.
Wayne Brittain: The former Carlton coach has spent two unobtrusive seasons as an assistant to Frawley and would love the opportunity to restore a coaching record that took a battering during a dismal second season at Optus Oval. Will probably receive an interview because his longtime mentor from Carlton, David Parkin, has agreed to assist the Tigers in their search for a new coach.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=157119
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Out of those please not Eade, Ayres or Brittain :o.
Sheedy will be signed up to the bombers this week so we've got more chance of getting Pagan than him. Harvey and O'Donnell are inexperienced so that counts them out presumably, leaving Wallace.
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Scumbag Hutchinson reported on 7 news that we were keen on GARY LYON ????????
we better falken not be !!!!!!!
What's he ever done to be considred except act like an hole in the media.
If they think he can boost our media profile then they're sadly mistaken.
Overrated footballer and over rated commentator.
POQ Garry.
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Kouta's just been pushing Brittain's barrow.
Please no!
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Miller is on club corner now.
He explained by "experienced" they don't just mean an ex-AFL coach. Someone who's been an assistant coach for say 6 years at AFL level would also be considered. So that would imply O'Donnell and Harvey are still in the running.
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Eade tipped for Frawley's job
By Stephen Rielly
June 29, 2004
Rodney Eade is the man most likely to succeed Danny Frawley as senior coach of Richmond, after Frawley announced yesterday he would step down at the end of the season.
Eade is the foremost of three candidates with the experience the Tigers want in their next coach.
It is believed the subcommittee formed to select Frawley's successor has not discounted the prospect of hiring a first-up coach but has established that it is unlikely to do so.
Eade, the former Sydney coach who took the Swans to a grand final in 1996, and Terry Wallace, the ex-Western Bulldog coach who took his team to successive preliminary finals in 1997 and 1998, both offer the requisite experience and are atop Richmond's list of potential replacements for Frawley.
Eade worked with Richmond football director Greg Miller at Arden Street in the early 1990s, Eade as an assistant to Denis Pagan and Miller as chief executive of the Kangaroos.
Gary Ayres, who left Adelaide last week, also has a decade of coaching and a grand final appearance with Geelong in 1995 to recommend him, but would be harder to sell to fans than Eade or Wallace.
Wallace last night said the hunger was still there. "There's something in there that still wants to be a part of it, but in saying that, it has to be the right job," Wallace said on Fox Footy.
The scope of Richmond's search has been narrowed by a number of constraints that the coaching subcommittee of Miller, president Clinton Casey and four-time premiership coach David Parkin will be bound by.
Miller said yesterday: "We've only met on process and a criteria but we've not actually talked about coaches." First among them is the acknowledgement that the club is not in immediate premiership contention and has to rejuvenate its list, a process that will take several seasons at least.
Richmond captain Wayne Campbell said as much yesterday when he discounted the possibility of being a part of a Richmond premiership side.
Whoever replaces Frawley must be prepared to endure one or more losing seasons. It is understood members of the subcommittee believe that in those circumstances, an experienced coach will be better equipped to withstand the scrutiny and criticism of the years of rebuilding.
This would seem to count against the assistant coaches-in-waiting such as Mark Harvey, Gary O'Donnell and Frawley's lieutenant, Darren Crocker.
Moreover, the experience of hiring a first-up coach in Frawley, for all that he contributed and will leave behind, did not work. Frawley accepted yesterday that by learning on the job, he made mistakes that ultimately led to his downfall.
The Tigers also recognise they do not have the money to woo Michael Malthouse, Kevin Sheedy, Leigh Matthews or Pagan, even if any of them wanted to take on the challenge.
The Tigers are going to lose more than $2 million on the season and the marquee coaches command as much as $800,000 a season and don't come alone but with entourages.
Sheedy, the choice of Richmond romantics, has not contemplated leaving Essendon this time and said as much again yesterday. It is believed that after Frawley's press conference late yesterday, Miller contacted Sheedy's advisers to be told that the Bombers' coach has agreed to a new three-year deal.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/28/1088392603160.html?oneclick=true
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I’ve noticed in recent weeks that people in the media seem to lean strongly towards Eade as the next RFC coach. Not sure why.
I’ve never been that keen on him, because of his negative coaching style, but we may have to get used to the idea.
Being in the media since he left the Swans, I think he realises that people don’t like that style of football and that it doesn’t help players to develop, so would change in this and other areas that he’s had a chance to sit back and reflect on, from his time in Sydney.
We can only hope anyway, if he does get the job.
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Whoever replaces Frawley must be prepared to endure one or more losing seasons. It is understood members of the subcommittee believe that in those circumstances, an experienced coach will be better equipped to withstand the scrutiny and criticism of the years of rebuilding.
This would seem to count against the assistant coaches-in-waiting such as Mark Harvey, Gary O'Donnell and Frawley's lieutenant, Darren Crocker.
That's crap IMO.
It makes no difference if it is an experienced coach or not ! It is the coaches philosophy and direction that will determine the scrutimy directed towads him. If a rookie coach (ala Thompson) took over and got rid of the aging dead wood and persisted on drafting quality kids for 3+ years and persistd in implementing an attacking, free flowing, exciting game plan, he will have total support of most members despite win/loss ratio. Guaranteed.
Memo to new coach (whether experienced or not) - Rebuild the list with quality kids and implement an attacking game plan and you will have full support for the term of your contract. However, if your'e deluded with the list and you think that we are a player or 2 away from a flag, and you implement a win at all coasts game plan to the detriment of developing kids, then look out.
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Wallace in market
29 June 2004 Herald Sun
Scott Gullan
TERRY Wallace last night confirmed he was in the market for an AFL coaching job.
The former Bulldogs coach is regarded as the frontrunner, with ex-Swans coach Rodney Eade, for the Richmond job to be vacated by Danny Frawley.
While comfortable with his current role as a football commentator and newspaper columnist, Wallace admitted the fire to coach still burned in him.
"Nothing has changed whatsoever for me," Wallace said yesterday when told that Frawley would stand down.
"I am comfortable to speak to anyone when the appropriate time comes. I would like to get back into coaching, but only if I believe the right opportunity is available."
Richmond president Clinton Casey has said the Tigers would pursue an experienced coach to replace Frawley.
There are several factors that would lure Wallace to Punt Rd.
He has a close relationship with Tigers' star Nathan Brown, while the romance of restoring the fortunes of one of Victoria's "big four" clubs would appeal.
Eade is also in the picture because of his close relationship with Tigers' football director Greg Miller, who is on the coaching selection panel along with Casey and former Carlton premiership coach David Parkin.
It is also believed Eade would be cheaper than Wallace.
One man who will remove himself from the Tigers' coaching scenario this week is Essendon's Kevin Sheedy. The Bombers are soon expected to announce a new three-year deal for Sheedy.
Others who may be sounded out for the Tigers' job include former Adelaide coach Gary Ayres, Bombers' assistant Mark Harvey and Brisbane assistant Gary O'Donnell.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9983263%255E19771,00.html
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Whoever replaces Frawley must be prepared to endure one or more losing seasons. It is understood members of the subcommittee believe that in those circumstances, an experienced coach will be better equipped to withstand the scrutiny and criticism of the years of rebuilding.
This would seem to count against the assistant coaches-in-waiting such as Mark Harvey, Gary O'Donnell and Frawley's lieutenant, Darren Crocker.
That's crap IMO.
It makes no difference if it is an experienced coach or not ! It is the coaches philosophy and direction that will determine the scrutimy directed towads him. If a rookie coach (ala Thompson) took over and got rid of the aging dead wood and persisted on drafting quality kids for 3+ years and persistd in implementing an attacking, free flowing, exciting game plan, he will have total support of most members despite win/loss ratio. Guaranteed.
Although I agree in principle with what you are saying HarryH, I still think that an experienced coach will be given a greater time to implement a long term plan. A rookie IMO would be given 2 years to show some improvement with people expecting finals in year 3 - if this wasn't to happen.... well the natives would start to get restless. Also I think it is fair to say coahing the RFC would be the toughest job in the business - simply because of who we are. Just look at the media - the scrutiny we face as a club is staggering compared to other clubs and as result surely a rookie coach woud get the standard honeymoon but then the attacks would start again.
On the other hand an experienced coach brings a "reputation" - a standing in the footy world, if you like, that carries respect and allowance of time because they are supposed to know what they are doing because they've been there and done that.
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It’s highly unlikely that any of the prospective candidates will have a premiership to their name, so whoever gets the job won’t necessarily command the respect of any premiership coach anyway.
Any coach will have to come into this job with his eyes open and even then he still may not be prepared for what he will get. But I think if the approach is adopted that HH suggests then a new coach would be given the time he needs to improve things. So, regardless of who the coach is, experienced or not, if we can all see the direction we are heading in and that we have adopted a long-term plan for the future, people will be prepared to be patient.
Even if they aren’t, we have to stop making decisions to make the supporters happy and start making decisions for the long-term good of the Club and players. Otherwise we’ll just get ourselves into the situation we’re in now.
As long as we can see improvement in the playing list and the players themselves, over time, then you would like to think that any coach would be given the time he needs to finish the job he starts.
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Scumbag Hutchinson reported on 7 news that we were keen on GARY LYON ????????
we better falken not be !!!!!!!
What's he ever done to be considred except act like an hole in the media.
If they think he can boost our media profile then they're sadly mistaken.
Overrated footballer and over rated commentator.
POQ Garry.
I completely agree with your sentiments ox.
Lyon is a Melbourne man through and through and a ****** **** bag. He'd probably covertly do our club in, don't go near him.
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Kouta's just been pushing Brittain's barrow.
Please no!
I'd rather Eade than Brittian.
If they appointed Brittain I'd be prepared to sack everyone at tigerland including Miller.
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they tell me Britain is pushing his own barrow. No wonder the RFC is stuffed
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1. Terry Wallace - he is my number one choice, but I don't think we will get him. I think his disregard for the Richmond hierarchy is balanced by his reluctance to relocate to Adelaide, but I am not at all convinced that Peter Schwab will still be in a job come september and obviously Hawthorn would be his number 1 preference.
2. One step backwards, two step forwards - We need a coach who can have one or two dreadful seasons, yet still convince the masses that we are heading in the right direction. My assessment of some canditates on this basis:
Wallace - Yes, could very easily convince me he had things under control
Eade - Probably
Harvey/O'Donnell - too hard to say
Brittain - not after Carlton
Ayres - no way - would sooner draft 30 year old hacks than give kids a go.
Sheedy - The beauty is with Sheeds that I only think it would be one bad season... cross him off the list though, he's out of the running
3. List management - this is where I think Wallace performed poorly. I am not sure if it is his fault, or because his bulldog sides generally performed above themselves due to the grit he got them to play with. Eade I thought left Sydney in reasonably good shape. Ayres killed Geelong and Adelaide.
4. Style of play - I don't agree that us getting Eade would mean we played dull footy. He no longer has the tiny SCG to work
with, and besides flooding is out of vogue now, it is all bash, crash and smash the ball forwards. I seem to remember Sydney playing some pretty good footy when they had the team to do it.
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Harvs cagey about Tigers
30 June 2004 Herald Sun
Scott Gullan and Grantley Bernard
MARK Harvey won't publicly canvass or chase the Richmond coaching job.
The long-time Essendon assistant is a logical candidate to replace departing Danny Frawley as head coach at Punt Rd. But Harvey is content to focus on his role at Essendon for the remainder of the season and will leave it up to Richmond to approach him.
"I'll just let it take its course," Harvey said yesterday. "Whatever happens, happens.
"I can't say any more, otherwise you start heading down the track where the players you are coaching start to get disorientated because you are talking about coaching other clubs. It is a pretty compromising position, given it is happening so early in the season this time."
Harvey has previously hinted he would have to look elsewhere for a senior coaching job if Kevin Sheedy continued his reign at Windy Hill.
But yesterday, with Sheedy poised to sign a new three-year deal today, the Bombers premiership defender said he would be happy to stay with Sheedy if the circumstances weren't right elsewhere.
"In my mind (Sheedy) was always going to be re-signed," Harvey said.
"So if that means I am going to work with him or against him (in the future), well, it is out of my hands now."
While there is a strong perception the Tigers want an AFL-proven coach to take over from Frawley, football director Greg Miller has not discounted Harvey.
"On the criteria I presented to the board, we talked about the necessity for someone who has been in the system . . . and understood the nitty gritty for a long period of time, and I think a fellow like Mark Harvey does fit that mould," Miller said on radio station SEN.
"I'm not sure how long he's been an assistant, quite a while. He's been at the coalface, not totally in charge . . . but I wouldn't necessarily rule him out. He's had a hell of a grounding at Essendon."
President Clinton Casey was also not prepared to close the door on an assistant coach with the right qualifications.
"I wouldn't read too much into the experience," Casey said on SEN. "What we're looking for is someone with a particular skill set who is the right type of person to be able to get the very best out of our playing list. That will be the main criteria."
One factor in the coaching search could be money.
While Casey believes finding the right money for the right coach will not be a problem, Miller was more circumspect.
"It's true to say financially we're going to have to make some cuts, and how we'll go about that in the football department . . . is something I'd like to work through with the new coach," Miller said.
"We won't be in the market for a very highly paid person. But then again, if a person believes in himself and Richmond is able to get itself back on track, there's some great opportunities there."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9997512%255E19742,00.html
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Eade, Wallace wary of return
By Chip Le Grand
June 30, 2004
FOR the best part of two years, Terry Wallace and Rodney Eade have been coaches in waiting. But at a time when vacancies at Richmond and Adelaide would suggest that wait is coming to an end, neither will crawl over broken glass to coach again.
As in most things, Wallace is more outspoken than Eade on this issue. In a candid interview with The Australian yesterday, the man who took the Western Bulldogs to within a kick of a grand final said he had earned the right to ask hard, direct questions of any club that came knocking on his door.
"I get the feeling that other people want me to put my hand up more than I want to put my hand up myself," Wallace said.
"I still have the passion to do it, but I am not going to be railroaded into taking something that I think is not the right option."
Eade, while more wary of public pronouncements, is similarly circumspect about any job on offer.
"I would love to coach again, but it has to be a good fit for both parties," the Swans' longest-serving coach said.
The essential prerequisite for both would-be coaches – and indeed for any experienced coach that Adelaide or Richmond target – is for the club to be brutally honest about its playing list and medium-term prospects.
For Wallace and Eade, the experience of Denis Pagan at Carlton looms large. Although Pagan's transformation of the Blues' playing list has been remarkable, he was sold a pup by John Elliott's outgoing board. Pagan admitted as much this week.
Wallace and Eade have well-paying roles as football commentators in print, radio and television and neither has a strong financial imperative to shift back into coaching.
Richmond, in particular, has lurched from one season to the next under successive administrations with little evidence of planning or a coherent, long-term view.
Both prospective coaches will want a realistic guarantee of stablility and direction before agreeing to be courted.
Wallace said the expectations of an untried coach might be different.
Essendon's long-serving assistant coach Mark Harvey and his Sydney counterpart Peter Jonas will be sounded out by Richmond and the Crows respectively.
Wallace believes there is a greater onus on coaches without senior experience to sell themselves into the job.
"If you are assistant coach and you are desperately wanting to get your first crack at it, under those circumstances you are trying to sell yourself to them," Wallace said.
"My position is probably a little different. Of course I still have to convince any prospective club that I am the right person to take them forward, but I reckon I am well within my rights to be asking questions of any prospective club about why I would want to come into their environment."
The flip side of having previous senior coaching experience is the inevitable baggage it brings.
Wallace and Eade are acutely aware of their perceived strengths and weaknesses.
Eade left the Swans mid-season and was portrayed by the Sydney administration as a good match-day coach who invested insufficient time and energy into player development. Eade admits his coaching was not perfect but believes his shortcomings were exaggerated.
Wallace was portrayed as a coaching mercenary after opting not to serve the final two years of his deal with the Bulldogs, reportedly in lieu of a more lucrative offer from Sydney.
Wallace and Sydney denied a job offer was made, but Greg Miller, the Richmond football director who will drive the club's search for a senior coach, this year expressed disappointment in the way Wallace left the Bulldogs.
While Wallace accepted Miller's explanation for his comments at the time, they form part of the reason why Eade is considered the coach most likely for Richmond.
Wallace has been linked more closely with the Crows. As of yesterday, neither had been approached by Richmond or Adelaide.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9994057%255E2722,00.html
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As far as comparisons go Eade and Wallace both have a dogged history in as far as the way they treated their clubs so we should all get over it.
It wont happen twice.
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While lm still probably more in favour of Wallace,l reckon Eade is firming in the market.
Miller was waxing lyrical about working with him at North on SEN on monday night.
Brittain would be the only bloke l would consider not re-newing my membership if hired.
Credidentials of a Carlton wooden spoon and midfield coach of a dysfunctional Richmond engine..no thanks.
I was sceptical of Eade because of his negative tactics,but he seems to have seen his past errors and is brave enough to admit them in his columb in The Age.I was also suprised that the Swans reached the finals 5 out of 7 years under him.
Wallace would l believe have the players respect fairly sharpish.He may also produce a side that competes with vigor and committment,something sadly lacking of recent years.He is tactically smart,and has been a master of nullifying the oppositions strengths.
Lastly,whoever lands the job must commit to a draft/trading policy that stops middle aged rejects earning easy dollars at RFC.They must build the list alongside Miller and wait for the list to blossom.With a hard nosed ruthless assessment of any player in the playing group after 3-4 years in the system we can go forwards again.