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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Simonator on April 25, 2023, 08:57:32 AM
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I'm all for the half rebuild / topping up with the likes of hopper and taranto list strategy we are attempting at the moment, but I think it relies heavily on the young talent we have coming through actually making it at AFL level. I know for some of these players its a small sample size and there's a chance they could turn it around but I have serious doubts about some after what I've seen so far. Due to our injuries we are getting a really good look at a couple.
Ross - Could be a decent role player
Rioli - Could be a decent role player
Ralphsmith - Wont make it IMO
Dow - Wont make it IMO, BUT does deserve a block of games this year.
Brown - Doesnt seem like he's progressing at VFL level
Mansell - Wont make it IMO
Ryan - I think he will stick around due to our complete lack of KPF but again wont make it IMO
Bradtke - havent seen enough
Cumberland - Could be a star
Colina - 0 Chance of making it
Sonesie - Could be a decent role player, could be a star.
Banks - Same as Brown
Clarke - Wont make it IMO
Bauer - Apparently having some success in the backline, havent seen enough
Miller - could be a decent role player
Young - could be a decent role player
Biggie - wont make it imo
Gibcus - Could be a star
Then green, campbell and smith who I havent seen enough of.
So out of all of our young players we have Sonesie, Gibcus and Cumberland who could be stars. We need better young talent.
If you think of the start of our successful era we had such a good core of drafted players in Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty, Astbury, Grimes, Edwards, Vlastuin and im probably forgetting a few.. So we either bottom out and hit the draft for a few years or hope we can attract younger players every off season. Looks like the club is aiming for the latter but im not sold.
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Ross - Could be a decent role player - jury’s out for me maybe he just a very good vfl player
Rioli - Could be a decent role player - has the worst kicking skills from an aboriginal player I’ve ever seen but his closing speed and tackling is the best I’ve seen.
Ralphsmith - Wont make it IMO - has some good attributes but undoes his good by turning it over. Needs to learn how to kick on the run or he won’t make it.
Dow - Wont make it IMO, BUT does deserve a block of games this year. too soft like his brother can’t see it
Brown - Doesnt seem like he's progressing at VFL level - apparently this kid has what it takes.
Mansell - Wont make it IMO - love his aggression but he’s not an AFL level player I’m not sure he ever will be.
Ryan - I think he will stick around due to our complete lack of KPF but again wont make it IMO - I hope I’m wrong and this kid makes it.
Bradtke - havent seen enough - project players are a raffle
Cumberland - Could be a star - needs a tank otherwise he’ll be our version of Rohan the 5 minute man of the AFL.
Colina - 0 Chance of making it - think of the most untalented player you’ve ever seen and they are still miles better than this guy - whatever the club can see I cannot see it because this bloke is the physical definition of an unfootballer.
Sonesie - Could be a decent role player, could be a star. - persist think he has the skill
Banks - Same as Brown - haven’t see enough
Clarke - Wont make it IMO - needs to toughen up he looks soft and timid (Fiora vibes)
Bauer - Apparently having some success in the backline, havent seen enough - he looks significantly comfortable in defence and seems to read the play very well.
Miller - could be a decent role player - fringe top up backup player
Young - could be a decent role player - fringe top up backup player
Biggie - wont make it imo - I would love to see the club develop him into a ruckman
Gibcus - Could be a star - will be a star
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Where is Steely Green in this list? I thought he was meant to be it and a bit.
We seem to have drafted a lot of players of the same body type or is that a poor observation on my part???
75 kg, 180 cm, no real speed, seems like a trend….
Like the Fiora pick over Pavlich
Or the Buddy pick we missed
I just wonder if the same influencer from those days is still at the club in a position of power???
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I'm all for the half rebuild / topping up with the likes of hopper and taranto list strategy we are attempting at the moment, but I think it relies heavily on the young talent we have coming through actually making it at AFL level. I know for some of these players its a small sample size and there's a chance they could turn it around but I have serious doubts about some after what I've seen so far. Due to our injuries we are getting a really good look at a couple.
Ross - Could be a decent role player
Rioli - Could be a decent role player
Ralphsmith - Wont make it IMO
Dow - Wont make it IMO, BUT does deserve a block of games this year.
Brown - Doesnt seem like he's progressing at VFL level
Mansell - Wont make it IMO
Ryan - I think he will stick around due to our complete lack of KPF but again wont make it IMO
Bradtke - havent seen enough
Cumberland - Could be a star
Colina - 0 Chance of making it
Sonesie - Could be a decent role player, could be a star.
Banks - Same as Brown
Clarke - Wont make it IMO
Bauer - Apparently having some success in the backline, havent seen enough
Miller - could be a decent role player
Young - could be a decent role player
Biggie - wont make it imo
Gibcus - Could be a star
Then green, campbell and smith who I havent seen enough of.
So out of all of our young players we have Sonesie, Gibcus and Cumberland who could be stars. We need better young talent.
If you think of the start of our successful era we had such a good core of drafted players in Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty, Astbury, Grimes, Edwards, Vlastuin and im probably forgetting a few.. So we either bottom out and hit the draft for a few years or hope we can attract younger players every off season. Looks like the club is aiming for the latter but im not sold.
Can't judge Brown as he's been injured & hasn't played a game at VFL level all yr thus far.
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what was brown like last year?
I agree lets see him at senior level but what ive seen is not great.
Banks will be a better player IMO.
Why we have recruited fiora type players like Clarke , Mansell, HRS is beyond me. All 3 are average.
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Lets just say people here are correct and i agree with them what does that say about our recruiting and our decision to trade out of not one but two drafts recently. The clear inference is someone or people have got it wrong but hey the club doesnt make mistakes.
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Today certainly didn’t help anyone on this list, including sonesie. I know it’s just one game but still.. we have very little talent coming through and that’s the scariest part of all this
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Yep. Cupboard is bare.
Sonsie has been crap this year.
Looks timid.
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Cumberland will fade into obscurity. More a mental thing I reckon.
Hugo, Sonsie, Clarke are all soft.
Gibcus will be good
Need to see Banks & Brown at senior level.
Mansell - no
Biggy, has talent need to see him more
Ryan - going ok.
Couldn't be bothered with any others.
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I don't think we know
And until they get a run of games we will never know
Time to play then all, give them all a batch of multiple games
Not 2 or 3 give them a block so we can see
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I don't think we know
And until they get a run of games we will never know
Time to play then all, give them all a batch of multiple games
Not 2 or 3 give them a block so we can see
Have mansell and ralphsmith not had a fair go ? Fair enough with the others but these 2 in particular have had chances
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Have mansell and ralphsmith not had a fair go ? Fair enough with the others but these 2 in particular have had chances
I'm not Hugo fan, far from it TBH but seeing our season is done. I'd rather give him a block of 5-6 games playing in one position. To see once and for all if there is anything there.
As for Mansell, I honestly don't know. He's played 21 games and for reasons I don't understand they've decided to try convert him into a forward this year. Give him 5 in row and see if it has chance of working
Yes they've been given opportunities unlike others who are no longer here were but this jury is still out on them.
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Yeah kinda wish we could chuck RCD into the middle now and see what he's made of.
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I don't think we know
And until they get a run of games we will never know
Time to play then all, give them all a batch of multiple games
Not 2 or 3 give them a block so we can see
Ah finally. Trouble is i think nothing will change until Hardwick is gone. He is just too invested in the older blokes he has bought thru.
We also need to ensure we play the kids in their best roles when we do give a block of games.
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Yeah kinda wish we could chuck RCD into the middle now and see what he's made of.
remember when everyone blamed him and George for our troubles, especially the latter.
How wrong they were.
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If George retired earlier RCD may still be on our list.
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If George retired earlier RCD may still be on our list.
I reckon you miss the real issue.
We had three big bodied junior mids on the list for what 3 or 4 seasons.
Only RCD was a early pick, and was struggling, Ross well they have never ever believed he was a big inside mid you only need look at the roles they have played him in. Then there was Martyn who they had across hb.
Thats it for big kids supposedly mids in god knows how many seasons. We reap what we sow. Just maybe if we actually targeted some genuine big mids we would not have had to go hard for Taranto and Hopper.
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bottom line is this. we threw away first round picks and in almost every dynasty those players play a role in a flag. Dusty, Cotch, Jack etc
TT i can accept at his age and for what we gave up. Hopper no way, What was the upside? 15th spot. :lol :lol
We needed to start again and draft some bigger bodied mids to get us to our next flag. Weak as pee players like Bolton and Fiora clones much liek the duds have now are not going to help us.
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I come back to this again. Another lacklustre season. It’s time for a big clean out IMO and get as many draft picks as possible. Grimes/broad/vlastuin. 2 of them have to go. Start getting games into brown.
Pickett, soldo, Kmac, all can go. We should still be able to be competitive will blooding the next generation. The dead wood is just killing is atm.
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Agree with most of the sentiment in here.
Happy with TT, but Hopper was a mistake for what he cost us.
Big list clean out needed.
Need to get creative and get some good picks in somehow.
Nothing is off the table. Trade Dusty if we can get something good.
I don’t necessarily blame the club for having another dip, but it’s time to rebuild properly and play kids now.
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I’m bringing this back into rotation not because I’m a negative Nancy but I’m just realistic and I’m actually excited to enter a rebuilding phase, rather than a rejuvenation or whatever you call this.
I firmly believe there may be 2-3 players currently on our list that might be in our next premiership team, if they stay at Richmond. Gibcus is the favourite.
I think if you look at hawthorns last 6-8 years, that’s what we have ahead of us. The longer we delay it the worse it will be. I think it’s just a fact of footy that you must bottom out and hit the draft.
For comparison look out the core of dusty, cotch, edwards, Riewoldt, rance, grimes, astbury.
What young players on our list look like they will get anywhere close to these standards?
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We haven’t seen them enough which is part of the problem.i still have really high hopes for sonsie. Thought he was brilliant in the handful of games he played in his debut season.
Most of the players you named are generational type players, the likes of which aren’t gonna come around again.
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We haven’t seen them enough which is part of the problem.i still have really high hopes for sonsie. Thought he was brilliant in the handful of games he played in his debut season.
Most of the players you named are generational type players, the likes of which aren’t gonna come around again.
I hope sonesie works out and initially I too had high hopes, but he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire. He should’ve been dominating at the vfl level.
There are generation type talents being drafted every year
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I thought Seth Campbell showed a but today. 2nd, 3rd efforts were a real positive IMHO
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Seth looks the goods :thumbsup.
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Campbell was great - he actually has some vision in traffic and the ability to back it up by foot. More please.
Dow - not so much. Poor defensively and too small/light to impact at the contest. Unless he can put on some muscle and work back defensively, he won't last long.
Brown looks worth persevering with.
Banks might be better behind the ball.
Trezise, not sure, need to see more.
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So a year on from when this thread was made and we've been able to have a bit of a look at this young group of players.
I anticipate that in this years draft we will have 2 top 15 pick and we should be seeking another KPF and High quality mid imo.
Here are my changes
Ross - Could be a decent role player / Same
Rioli - Could be a decent role player / Same
Ralphsmith - Wont make it IMO / Same
Dow - Wont make it IMO, BUT does deserve a block of games this year. / Started off horribly this year but is slowly turning it around. Could be a role player
Brown - Doesnt seem like he's progressing at VFL level / Has shown some great progression. Beautiful skills, gaining confidence. Think we all agree we have one here.
Mansell - Wont make it IMO / Has shown a bit this year. Looking like a more composed version of Castagna, could be a handy role player.
Ryan - I think he will stick around due to our complete lack of KPF but again wont make it IMO/ Same
Bradtke - havent seen enough / Delisted
Cumberland - Could be a star / Fallen out of favour the last 12 months BIG time.
Colina - 0 Chance of making it / Same, why is he even on the list ?
Sonesie - Could be a decent role player, could be a star. / Same, needs more opportunity
Banks - Same as Brown / Has been poor this year. Low possessions, lack of intensity with plenty of opportunity too.
Clarke - Wont make it IMO / Looked good at VFL level so far, deserves a chance.
Bauer - Apparently having some success in the backline, havent seen enough / Seen virtually nothing which is a shame as he could be owning the FWD line right now.
Miller - could be a decent role player / Looks a different player this season. Confident and composed down back, could be the future KPD we need.
Young - could be a decent role player / Probably a depth player. Panics at times, seems to be more confident in his disposal this year, which is a bad thing as he bites off more than he can chew.
Biggie - wont make it imo / GONE
Gibcus - Could be a star / Disaster
Then green, campbell and smith who I havent seen enough of. / Campbell looks like a really solid player, massive surprise.
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Without wanting to quote too much text, I agree with Simonator on all of the above except:
Dow - think he's crap
Young - think he will be a backline mainstay
Also want to take a moment to laugh at Collina being on the list still. Sounds like he needs a nursing home.
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He's also always on the injury list. How the stuff does one who never plays manage to get such lengthy injuries?
Surely this is his last season but good on him for getting free rehab for however many years he's been around now. Must be at least his 4th season?
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I think Ross has another level to go up not a star or something, but B grade player. Ryan is the one for me we need to give a block of games in that forward ruck role let's see we're it ends up. Bauer is the one we're missing his hamstring issues how long now.
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So a year on from when this thread was made and we've been able to have a bit of a look at this young group of players.
I anticipate that in this years draft we will have 2 top 15 pick and we should be seeking another KPF and High quality mid imo.
Here are my changes
Ross - Could be a decent role player / Same
Rioli - Could be a decent role player / Same
Ralphsmith - Wont make it IMO / Same
Dow - Wont make it IMO, BUT does deserve a block of games this year. / Started off horribly this year but is slowly turning it around. Could be a role player
Brown - Doesnt seem like he's progressing at VFL level / Has shown some great progression. Beautiful skills, gaining confidence. Think we all agree we have one here.
Mansell - Wont make it IMO / Has shown a bit this year. Looking like a more composed version of Castagna, could be a handy role player.
Ryan - I think he will stick around due to our complete lack of KPF but again wont make it IMO/ Same
Bradtke - havent seen enough / Delisted
Cumberland - Could be a star / Fallen out of favour the last 12 months BIG time.
Colina - 0 Chance of making it / Same, why is he even on the list ?
Sonesie - Could be a decent role player, could be a star. / Same, needs more opportunity
Banks - Same as Brown / Has been poor this year. Low possessions, lack of intensity with plenty of opportunity too.
Clarke - Wont make it IMO / Looked good at VFL level so far, deserves a chance.
Bauer - Apparently having some success in the backline, havent seen enough / Seen virtually nothing which is a shame as he could be owning the FWD line right now.
Miller - could be a decent role player / Looks a different player this season. Confident and composed down back, could be the future KPD we need.
Young - could be a decent role player / Probably a depth player. Panics at times, seems to be more confident in his disposal this year, which is a bad thing as he bites off more than he can chew.
Biggie - wont make it imo / GONE
Gibcus - Could be a star / Disaster
Then green, campbell and smith who I havent seen enough of. / Campbell looks like a really solid player, massive surprise.
Lets simplify it how many atm look like being above average do that honestly and you will see the mountain we have to climb
I think Ross has another level to go up not a star or something, but B grade player. Ryan is the one for me we need to give a block of games in that forward ruck role let's see we're it ends up. Bauer is the one we're missing his hamstring issues how long now.
Funny we see things differently. Imo Ross has little ceiling and what you now see is what you are likely to get.
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Above average, only Brown and Campbell look like they have a change.
The rest all look like B graders at best.
Gibcus I am concerned will be injury-plagued forever but I'm hoping he does a Grimes and becomes AA and has a good 8-10 years injury-free.
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Above average, only Brown and Campbell look like they have a change.
The rest all look like B graders at best.
Gibcus I am concerned will be injury-plagued forever but I'm hoping he does a Grimes and becomes AA and has a good 8-10 years injury-free.
Sonsie the only other chance
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Above average, only Brown and Campbell look like they have a change.
The rest all look like B graders at best.
Gibcus I am concerned will be injury-plagued forever but I'm hoping he does a Grimes and becomes AA and has a good 8-10 years injury-free.
Sonsie the only other chance
Yeah I thought about that but am still unsure. Doesn't quite get enough ball but he looks smart and skilled.
We'll see. I would definitely persist with him.
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Above average, only Brown and Campbell look like they have a change.
The rest all look like B graders at best.
Gibcus I am concerned will be injury-plagued forever but I'm hoping he does a Grimes and becomes AA and has a good 8-10 years injury-free.
Sonsie the only other chance
Yeah I thought about that but am still unsure. Doesn't quite get enough ball but he looks smart and skilled.
We'll see. I would definitely persist with him.
Isn’t getting any midfield time
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Above average, only Brown and Campbell look like they have a change.
The rest all look like B graders at best.
Gibcus I am concerned will be injury-plagued forever but I'm hoping he does a Grimes and becomes AA and has a good 8-10 years injury-free.
Sonsie the only other chance
Yeah I thought about that but am still unsure. Doesn't quite get enough ball but he looks smart and skilled.
We'll see. I would definitely persist with him.
Isn’t getting any midfield time
Plus possibly Bauer if we can get him on the track
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Put a line through ralphsmith, Dow, Kosi and young.
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I'd say Lefau but he's 26.... :huh3
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Let see at the end of the season , because they are likely to get lots of opportunities🫣 for the club to make a good assessment or our recruitment decisions
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I don’t need that long
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Gez a bit of perspective if you based it on today's game should be looking at our senior core.
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Gez a bit of perspective if you based it on today's game should be looking at our senior core.
Our 'senior core' were watching the game on telly. Who were our best players today - for mine they included Bolton, Rioli, Baker, Vlaustin and Graham. Lefau is 26, but was our best 'tall' forward.
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It's all very well to hit the draft hard but we unless we also get rid of the clowns in the fitness & medical departments we're only going to end up breaking all our shiny new toys again.... :shh
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Gez a bit of perspective if you based it on today's game should be looking at our senior core.
Our 'senior core' were watching the game on telly. Who were our best players today - for mine they included Bolton, Rioli, Baker, Vlaustin and Graham. Lefau is 26, but was our best 'tall' forward.
The stupid commentators kept on saying LeFau is a great young find 😂😂
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Does anyone know when Tas will start compromising the drafts?
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Does anyone know when Tas will start compromising the drafts?
Going off what happened with GC & GWS - 2026 they'll get at least a dozen of the best bottom agers for their reserves side that'll enter the VFL in 2027 and the next year (2027 draft) they'll get the draft concessions for when they enter the AFL in 2028..... :shh