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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: torch on September 13, 2014, 10:59:57 PM
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Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.
Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!
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I agree, but Hardwick had excellent credentials at the time. Assistant at Hawthorn in a premiership year.
Shame though. Hinkley seems to have the knack of getting his players to lift for him. And Boak is a very solid captain.
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Plus they also have one of the best conditioning coaches in the world, legit. Apparently soccer teams were going to offer that guy millions.
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People carry on about draft mistakes. Dwarfs into into insignificance compared to this, the big fish.
Hinkley credentials were strong as he was a premiership coach with an inspiring style.
As good as boak is, under the leadership a richmond player could equally benefit
People often say the players should win games the coach is not vital, if you look at a Diego Simeone or Hinkley the manager is key
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Well said Andy, the conditioning coach they got from Liverpool I think has proven to be an absolute jet.
Wonder how much of his knowledge of Soccer counter attacking tactics were used in orchestrating the counter sling shot overlap style that Port play which counters the forward press. Very clever when mixed with elite speed and endurance which Port now have.
Hinkley is the best coach in the AFL. Even from 2 years. Better than Lyon, Brad Scott and Longmire who all inherited great lists. Lyon inherited 2 great lists and won nothing from it. Scott and Longmire inherited premiership lists with an elite culture.
Clarkson could mount a big case against Hinkley but the fact that Hinkley has gone from AFL basketcase to Prelim finalists in 2 years with the most exciting brand of footy in the comp is incredible.
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Wasn't he passed over by other clubs. :lol
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Roos is good too
Lyon isn't a bad coach
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We need Sheedy
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I'll reserve my judgement until a few more years have passed.
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Good on Port.
They have extracted the most from a good list.
It seems a bit simplistic to put all the onus on the coach to deliver the results - good or ordinary.
Besides, look at the clubs around us when Hardwick started, with the exception of the Eagles and Port - all have struggled and the Eagles have fallen back after 2 good years.
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I prefer to look at the RFC for the last 30 yrs not just the last few
You can harp on all you like about getting early draft picks but it all means nothing unless the whole club's mindset is changed
Culture:
players getting selected like Newman without going via the vfl
Players like grigg and co getting selected without providing anything more than a witches hat
Our coach coming and reminding us all we shouldn't forget we won 8 in a row just after being humiliated for a second yr running
Standards being low after suffering a humiliating defeat by Carlton
These things should never happen and is a reason we sit where we are
Development:
Who are these bailey and mcqualter types. Use the bloody money and get some quality in there. The thing that makes me laugh about bailey is who is he developing exactly
Last time I checked we don't even have a ruckman aside from Ivan, so how is his record with Hampson and mcbean.
We need to identify what works at other clubs and double their salary to switch.
Look at monkey and what he has done at the hawks. Ceglar McEvoy playing at box hill, hale. Enough said.
Surely we can do better than a bunch of d grade footballers.
His a plumber too so get him to fix the feces that's engulfed our club for 30 yrs.
Recruiting: refer to Hackson and Hartley thread
Coach: reminds me of frawley defending his plans refusal to say it how it is which is another disgraceful year that is his fault for not motivating his players to fight for the jumper after the Carlton
He seems to me like a non motivator, with a harmless bone to his body. Do we really need another frawley?
Poach one of ratten, dew or Bolton. Proven in their roles and assistants that won a flag.
Choco is finished leaving the crap Williams and your Timmy Clarke to fill the void and what a steeling job they are doing.
Delist: get rid of grigg foley Newman now. Organise a payout and send them on their way. They are bloody rubbish and have been so for 2/3 years. The longer we keep selecting them the longer we will continue to accept mediocrity
What annoys me more than losing is losing with these 3 hacks whilst the bean and dea are "learning their defensive side to their game in the vfl" please
Trade: Edwards and Vickery to stkilda or buldogs.
We won't get anywhere with this list. You have to remember from round 5 we hardly had any injuries. What's going to happen if maric or jack go down.
Ramps has said it for yrs now this side is a 6-10 and that's all it will ever be in it's current form
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Angus..you nailed it.
It wouldn't matter if we got the tandem coaches Ron Barrassi and kevin sheedy ,until the mindset of this club changes nothing will
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You forgot the over the top celebrations from the club whenever we make finals.
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You must lead sad lives fellas.
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Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.
Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!
You needed a brand new thread of this?
Couldn't you have just used your "Sack Harwick" thread :rollin
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Anyone notice the footage of Hinkley on the ground after last night's win?
Contrast that with Hardwick after the Sydney game.
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Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.
Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!
You needed a brand new thread of this?
Couldn't you have just used your "Sack Harwick" thread :rollin
Agree merge thread and give strike
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Forget the respective coaching departments, what we really need to steal from Port are some of those great seat covers! ;D It worked for them, so we have to do it too!
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None of you guys would have supported Hinkley at the time and you knew it. Hardwick won the job Hinkley its well known came 2nd in the interview process. I have no complaints about the process, to get to those two last means that the process was right. From memory most of you wanted Rawlings who has been at Melbourne for a few years now. Hardwick has taken us to 2 finals in a row. Not a bad effort considering the last 30 years. I like Hinkley he exhibits mongrel and is a good coach, but we have what we have. So lets get on with it.
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Can't argue with that Rampa. Not bad for a numbnut
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None of you guys would have supported Hinkley at the time and you knew it. Hardwick won the job Hinkley its well known came 2nd in the interview process. I have no complaints about the process, to get to those two last means that the process was right. From memory most of you wanted Rawlings who has been at Melbourne for a few years now. Hardwick has taken us to 2 finals in a row. Not a bad effort considering the last 30 years. I like Hinkley he exhibits mongrel and is a good coach, but we have what we have. So lets get on with it.
Yes they did...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqj6VItiw7k
Many could see he was a machine and just what the club needed.
Rewind the tape
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None of you guys would have supported Hinkley at the time and you knew it. Hardwick won the job Hinkley its well known came 2nd in the interview process. I have no complaints about the process, to get to those two last means that the process was right. From memory most of you wanted Rawlings who has been at Melbourne for a few years now. Hardwick has taken us to 2 finals in a row. Not a bad effort considering the last 30 years. I like Hinkley he exhibits mongrel and is a good coach, but we have what we have. So lets get on with it.
agree with this. I will put my hand up and say I wanted hardwick mainly due to his hardness as a player.
Im starting to think he is all bark and no bite
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You must lead sad lives fellas.
yeah poo house. Spent the day feeding the birds with my kids and at the chocolate factory at the yarra glen.
Off to see a shrink Monday my lifes stuffed
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There's just not enough pornography at the club
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You must lead sad lives fellas.
yeah poo house. Spent the day feeding the birds with my kids and at the chocolate factory at the yarra glen.
Off to see a shrink Monday my lifes stuffed
:lol
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None of you guys would have supported Hinkley at the time and you knew it. Hardwick won the job Hinkley its well known came 2nd in the interview process. I have no complaints about the process, to get to those two last means that the process was right. From memory most of you wanted Rawlings who has been at Melbourne for a few years now. Hardwick has taken us to 2 finals in a row. Not a bad effort considering the last 30 years. I like Hinkley he exhibits mongrel and is a good coach, but we have what we have. So lets get on with it.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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None of you guys would have supported Hinkley at the time and you knew it. Hardwick won the job Hinkley its well known came 2nd in the interview process. I have no complaints about the process, to get to those two last means that the process was right. From memory most of you wanted Rawlings who has been at Melbourne for a few years now. Hardwick has taken us to 2 finals in a row. Not a bad effort considering the last 30 years. I like Hinkley he exhibits mongrel and is a good coach, but we have what we have. So lets get on with it.
agree with this. I will put my hand up and say I wanted hardwick mainly due to his hardness as a player.
Im starting to think he is all bark and no bite
I didn't want hardwick cause I thought he was an average player and merely dirty
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I didn't want hardwick cause I thought he was an average player and merely dirty
So was Malthouse.
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So was Geez and look at the success he's had
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I didn't want hardwick cause I thought he was an average player and merely dirty
So was Malthouse.
I'm also bias against Essendon
I concede hardwick had a successful period early however I believe he lost the plot some time ago
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So was Geez and look at the success he's had
I challenge your definition of success. He had a very short period at the top and then just 'disappeared' whereas the world is still full of those milking his reputation for everything they can. ;D
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Can't argue with that Rampa. Not bad for a numbnut
your misses sends you her regards
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There's just not enough pornography at the club
yours is clearly the best post in this thread .. :thumbsup
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None of you guys would have supported Hinkley at the time and you knew it. Hardwick won the job Hinkley its well known came 2nd in the interview process. I have no complaints about the process, to get to those two last means that the process was right. From memory most of you wanted Rawlings who has been at Melbourne for a few years now. Hardwick has taken us to 2 finals in a row. Not a bad effort considering the last 30 years. I like Hinkley he exhibits mongrel and is a good coach, but we have what we have. So lets get on with it.
Check back through the old threads and you'll find I wanted Hinkley over Hardwick. I'm still happy with Hardwick but I believe Hinkley is the better coach. I agree with what you said here though Ramps.
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Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.
Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!
You needed a brand new thread of this?
Couldn't you have just used your "Sack Harwick" thread :rollin
Agree merge thread and give strike
Well, i'm not saying "Sack Hardwick", i'm asking who appointed him? ... :rollin
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Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.
Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!
You needed a brand new thread of this?
Couldn't you have just used your "Sack Harwick" thread :rollin
Agree merge thread and give strike
Well, i'm not saying "Sack Hardwick", i'm asking who appointed him? ... :rollin
Truth be known, Gary March wanted Dimma.
We went through an extensive interview process and Hinkley surprised all by presenting so well. It came down to the two of them in the end and I suspect Hinkley performed better in the interviews but March wanted and then got his man.
That's the way I read it
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Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.
Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!
It was Kochy ;D
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Well said Andy, the conditioning coach they got from Liverpool I think has proven to be an absolute jet.
Wonder how much of his knowledge of Soccer counter attacking tactics were used in orchestrating the counter sling shot overlap style that Port play which counters the forward press. Very clever when mixed with elite speed and endurance which Port now have.
Hinkley is the best coach in the AFL. Even from 2 years. Better than Lyon, Brad Scott and Longmire who all inherited great lists. Lyon inherited 2 great lists and won nothing from it. Scott and Longmire inherited premiership lists with an elite culture.
Clarkson could mount a big case against Hinkley but the fact that Hinkley has gone from AFL basketcase to Prelim finalists in 2 years with the most exciting brand of footy in the comp is incredible.
not having a shot here but just tryinng to add some balance.
of their team that defeated freo the following players were at port before hinkley got there.
fb/ broadbent - carlisle - jonas
hb/ oittard - trengove - oshea
c/ hartlett - boak - ####
hf/ gray - westhoff - ####
ff/ #### - schulz - wingard.
r/ lobbe - ebert- ####
int/ moore -
plus theres another 10 who didnt play and are still on their list. id say hinkley had the makings of a pretty good teamwhen he walked into port. hes hardly had to strip the list back to nothing.
i would even argue that the work had already been done on the nd selections they took in 2012 and hinkley had little to do in this area.
what port have done well in hinkleys time is find 7good players and they still have kids from the last two draft who look promising who are yet to play or played very little.
imo we are more like port when hinkley first got there, and as such, if we as a club could nail 3 or 4 nd draft picks and make 3 or 4 good trades like port have over the last 2 seasons we can significantly improve and become more than competetive hopefully.
we need to remember though there are clubs who have finished below us who have already done a significant amount of rebuild work. there are no guarantees.
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Think thats the point.
When he walked in they were considered a basket case, the players were hopeless and no-one wanted to coach them.
He has done what a good coach does and made them better.
If Hardwick had taken over then they would have finished last and 3rd last and be aiming for finals the year after next.
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Well said Andy, the conditioning coach they got from Liverpool I think has proven to be an absolute jet.
Wonder how much of his knowledge of Soccer counter attacking tactics were used in orchestrating the counter sling shot overlap style that Port play which counters the forward press. Very clever when mixed with elite speed and endurance which Port now have.
Hinkley is the best coach in the AFL. Even from 2 years. Better than Lyon, Brad Scott and Longmire who all inherited great lists. Lyon inherited 2 great lists and won nothing from it. Scott and Longmire inherited premiership lists with an elite culture.
Clarkson could mount a big case against Hinkley but the fact that Hinkley has gone from AFL basketcase to Prelim finalists in 2 years with the most exciting brand of footy in the comp is incredible.
not having a shot here but just tryinng to add some balance.
of their team that defeated freo the following players were at port before hinkley got there.
fb/ broadbent - carlisle - jonas
hb/ oittard - trengove - oshea
c/ hartlett - boak - ####
hf/ gray - westhoff - ####
ff/ #### - schulz - wingard.
r/ lobbe - ebert- ####
int/ moore -
plus theres another 10 who didnt play and are still on their list. id say hinkley had the makings of a pretty good teamwhen he walked into port. hes hardly had to strip the list back to nothing.
i would even argue that the work had already been done on the nd selections they took in 2012 and hinkley had little to do in this area.
what port have done well in hinkleys time is find 7good players and they still have kids from the last two draft who look promising who are yet to play or played very little.
imo we are more like port when hinkley first got there, and as such, if we as a club could nail 3 or 4 nd draft picks and make 3 or 4 good trades like port have over the last 2 seasons we can significantly improve and become more than competetive hopefully.
we need to remember though there are clubs who have finished below us who have already done a significant amount of rebuild work. there are no guarantees.
A friend of mine went to the Collingwood forum night recently. The club told them they were aiming at 2016-17 for a top four tilt. Their major competitors at that stage they envisage being GC, GWS and WB. Interestingly enough they felt that their fitness levels were 60% of the top teams currently.
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Think thats the point.
When he walked in they were considered a basket case, the players were hopeless and no-one wanted to coach them.
He has done what a good coach does and made them better.
If Hardwick had taken over then they would have finished last and 3rd last and be aiming for finals the year after next.
i dont think for a moment their list was a basket case or their players were hopeless. not sure how hard they found it to get a coach.
i do know one of there favorite sons in primus had to go because they were performing so badly.
the simple point im making is the vast majority of players who have got them to a preliminary final was there before hinkley was. thus he cant take credit for actually building the side.
yes he put in place structures and processes that see them play attractive and effective footy but actually build the team i have to disagree. that has been a process that goes back many yrs.
to me hinkley has inherited a pretty decent list hes been a good coach in the fact hes turned the obvious talent that was there into a pretty good footy team and at the end of the day that is what his job is.
i see threads on the site asking how did port turn it around in just two yrs. the simple answewr to that is it has not been two yrs the majority of their team was assembled prior to hinkley getting there and its a misnomer to suggest its taken just two yrs.its been a work in progress since 07 and before.
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Port were shyte and talked about going out of business
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how is Hinkley's form going straight up to Boak after the siren and apparently demanding him to settle the players down as we have 2 more games to go and keep their mind on the job ahead.
If only our coach could instill some of these traits into our club
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Port were shyte and talked about going out of business
agree they were broke and performing terribly on field. that doesnt mean they didnt have plenty of talent on their list. you only need look at my first post to see that is not true.
yes hinkley has tunned em around but he had most of the talent there that allowed him to do so.
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Port were shyte and talked about going out of business
agree they were broke and performing terribly on field. that doesnt mean they didnt have plenty of talent on their list. you only need look at my first post to see that is not true.
yes hinkley has tunned em around but he had most of the talent there that allowed him to do so.
I agree with claw on this one. Port inherently had a good list. What I can't take away from Hinkley is that he is an amazing motivator and when you see Port Players you get the vibe they will do anything for Hinkley.
I can't say the same about Hardwick but what I can't take away from Hardwick is he came to our club when we were absolutely shyte and he not only had to purge the playing list but get some sort of sustainable game style happening. I think he has achieved a lot if you look at what he was handed but Hardwick's sin is that he stopped pushing the players to become more he's kinda there best mate as opposed to hard arse coach who demands excellence all the time.
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how is Hinkley's form going straight up to Boak after the siren and apparently demanding him to settle the players down as we have 2 more games to go and keep their mind on the job ahead.
If only our coach could instill some of these traits into our club
Interesting I heard he reminded Boak to take the players down to thank the fans who had made the trip ;D
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Well said Andy, the conditioning coach they got from Liverpool I think has proven to be an absolute jet.
Wonder how much of his knowledge of Soccer counter attacking tactics were used in orchestrating the counter sling shot overlap style that Port play which counters the forward press. Very clever when mixed with elite speed and endurance which Port now have.
Hinkley is the best coach in the AFL. Even from 2 years. Better than Lyon, Brad Scott and Longmire who all inherited great lists. Lyon inherited 2 great lists and won nothing from it. Scott and Longmire inherited premiership lists with an elite culture.
Clarkson could mount a big case against Hinkley but the fact that Hinkley has gone from AFL basketcase to Prelim finalists in 2 years with the most exciting brand of footy in the comp is incredible.
not having a shot here but just tryinng to add some balance.
of their team that defeated freo the following players were at port before hinkley got there.
fb/ broadbent - carlisle - jonas
hb/ oittard - trengove - oshea
c/ hartlett - boak - ####
hf/ gray - westhoff - ####
ff/ #### - schulz - wingard.
r/ lobbe - ebert- ####
int/ moore -
plus theres another 10 who didnt play and are still on their list. id say hinkley had the makings of a pretty good teamwhen he walked into port. hes hardly had to strip the list back to nothing.
i would even argue that the work had already been done on the nd selections they took in 2012 and hinkley had little to do in this area.
what port have done well in hinkleys time is find 7good players and they still have kids from the last two draft who look promising who are yet to play or played very little.
imo we are more like port when hinkley first got there, and as such, if we as a club could nail 3 or 4 nd draft picks and make 3 or 4 good trades like port have over the last 2 seasons we can significantly improve and become more than competetive hopefully.
we need to remember though there are clubs who have finished below us who have already done a significant amount of rebuild work. there are no guarantees.
Good observation, and hinkley has said as much himself, still, shows how well he's travelling if he can turn it around so drastically (or had bad Primus was) :lol
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how is Hinkley's form going straight up to Boak after the siren and apparently demanding him to settle the players down as we have 2 more games to go and keep their mind on the job ahead.
If only our coach could instill some of these traits into our club
Interesting I heard he reminded Boak to take the players down to thank the fans who had made the trip ;D
Not what I heard from a mate over there
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how is Hinkley's form going straight up to Boak after the siren and apparently demanding him to settle the players down as we have 2 more games to go and keep their mind on the job ahead.
If only our coach could instill some of these traits into our club
Interesting I heard he reminded Boak to take the players down to thank the fans who had made the trip ;D
Not what I heard from a mate over there
Actually they were talking about Hinkley and what you posted about him telling Boak to settle things down.
All good :thumbsup
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When it came up I voted for Hinkley at my old pub but this is a hindsight thread and is pointless.
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If my lip reading is any good, Hinkley was definitely saying calm it down to Boak and the players.
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If my lip reading is any good, Hinkley was definitely saying calm it down to Boak and the players.
It's no good, he was saying chicken parmas down at the local, job done lads
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I didn't want hardwick cause I thought he was an average player and merely dirty
So was Malthouse.
Bad comparison. Malthouse was a very good player.
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I didn't want hardwick cause I thought he was an average player and merely dirty
So was Malthouse.
Bad comparison. Malthouse was a very good player.
Beg to differ. Tough, solid, unspectacular - not a lot of skill and not a match winner. Old-fashioned back pocket type player.
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Beg to differ. Tough, solid, unspectacular - not a lot of skill and not a match winner. Old-fashioned back pocket type player.
I wonder why there was such a huge deal made out of the fact that he missed the 82 GF with injury then ? Many thought it might have been the difference between us winning and losing that day. I know I did.
Malthouse was a very good and important player.
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I didn't want hardwick cause I thought he was an average player and merely dirty
So was Malthouse.
Bad comparison. Malthouse was a very good player.
Beg to differ. Tough, solid, unspectacular - not a lot of skill and not a match winner. Old-fashioned back pocket type player.
Correct, nothing special
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Correct, nothing special
So explain why it was such a massive out when he missed the 82 GF after that infamous fitness test ?
Malthouse was indeed special. Hard , tough , uncompromising and decent skills. Was also the leader of our backline.
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Correct, nothing special
So explain why it was such a massive out when he missed the 82 GF after that infamous fitness test ?
Malthouse was indeed special. Hard , tough , uncompromising and decent skills. Was also the leader of our backline.
And he scared the beejeesus out of the Carlton little guys back then...
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Correct, nothing special
So explain why it was such a massive out when he missed the 82 GF after that infamous fitness test ?
Malthouse was indeed special. Hard , tough , uncompromising and decent skills. Was also the leader of our backline.
He wasn't a massive out as a player, only the story surrounding the fitness test made it massive.
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Correct, nothing special
So explain why it was such a massive out when he missed the 82 GF after that infamous fitness test ?
Malthouse was indeed special. Hard , tough , uncompromising and decent skills. Was also the leader of our backline.
He wasn't a massive out as a player, only the story surrounding the fitness test made it massive.
Disagree. Just ask the Carlton smalls how relieved they were. They were actually intimidated by him and this would often put them off their game. So even though he wasn't a massive talent he had a huge effect on gelling our backline and spooking the opposition.
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Whoever selected Hardwick has cost us finals success.
Ken Hinkley is clearly a better coach in every aspect then Hardwick!
Well of course Hardwick comes behind Hinkley if Hinkley is the better coach
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even for this forum, the analysis is very simplistic.
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Correct, nothing special
So explain why it was such a massive out when he missed the 82 GF after that infamous fitness test ?
Malthouse was indeed special. Hard , tough , uncompromising and decent skills. Was also the leader of our backline.
He wasn't a massive out as a player, only the story surrounding the fitness test made it massive.
Disagree. Just ask the Carlton smalls how relieved they were. They were actually intimidated by him and this would often put them off their game. So even though he wasn't a massive talent he had a huge effect on gelling our backline and spooking the opposition.
Agree to disagree. Certainly wasn't what I watched week in week out back in the day. In Jack's immortal words - "a good ordinary player". :thumbsup
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even for this forum, the analysis is very simplistic.
good to see you back on OER but lets be honest about this you criticize everyones analysis on here but you went on Big Footy and launched a campaign for Harry Lumumba to come to Richmond :lol
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even for this forum, the analysis is very simplistic.
good to see you back on OER but lets be honest about this you criticize everyones analysis on here but you went on Big Footy and launched a campaign for Harry Lumumba to come to Richmond :lol
Surely you jest Ramps
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even for this forum, the analysis is very simplistic.
good to see you back on OER but lets be honest about this you criticize everyones analysis on here but you went on Big Footy and launched a campaign for Harry Lumumba to come to Richmond :lol
:shh
speaking of simplistic, has he ever written more than one sentence in a post?
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even for this forum, the analysis is very simplistic.
good to see you back on OER but lets be honest about this you criticize everyones analysis on here but you went on Big Footy and launched a campaign for Harry Lumumba to come to Richmond :lol
:shh
speaking of simplistic, has he ever written more than one sentence in a post?
blaisee & chucky related?
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even for this forum, the analysis is very simplistic.
good to see you back on OER but lets be honest about this you criticize everyones analysis on here but you went on Big Footy and launched a campaign for Harry Lumumba to come to Richmond :lol
:shh
speaking of simplistic, has he ever written more than one sentence in a post?
blaisee & chucky related?
Has anyone seen them both in the same room at the same time? :shh
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Bumpity bump bump
Hardwick 3 - Master coach Ken Hinkley 1
( yes I know we lost the important one but we were tired from all the winning that had been happening the previous 3 months)
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The funny thing was seeing Hinkley in the box with that dumb as dog poo look
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ps good bump mat
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pss no I am not related to blaisee, we just share a talent for getting our point across succintly
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Glib one-liners are not points.
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why not
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Has Hinkley fired his best shot? Be interesting to see where both coaches go from here.