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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: SPOCK on July 16, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
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Drop a couple of backs, talk about structures, tweek a few little things we are not doing right
Hardwick has no idea, THIS WAS BLATENTLY OBVIOUS 10 WEEKS AGO another bloody spin doctor
the Kevin Rudd of coaches, Mr nice guy says everthing you want to hear without saying anything,without delivering anything, all dribble no substance and we know what happened to Kevin 07 (better hope there's not a fat ugly red haired dyke hovering behind you Dimma)
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I don't blame Hardwick. Our number 1 problem is still our list. We need another big clean out end of season.
Who cares about the draft depth or GWS coming in. We gotta try our luck and hopefully find a few gems late in the draft.
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Don't blame Dimma ????
Selection policy
Match ups
Positions and moves
Game day tactics
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Drop a couple of backs, talk about structures, tweek a few little things we are not doing right
Hardwick has no idea, THIS WAS BLATENTLY OBVIOUS 10 WEEKS AGO another bloody spin doctor
the Kevin Rudd of coaches, Mr nice guy says everthing you want to hear without saying anything,without delivering anything, all dribble no substance and we know what happened to Kevin 07 (better hope there's not a fat ugly red haired dyke hovering behind you Dimma)
totally agree
the 10 unanswered goals last week proved to me that the role of a senior coach is beyond his ability
thats after a flogging of over 100 points the previous week.
and now today, to be playing slow tempo lateral footy when we have a 6 goal wind just proves he isnt the man
Get Malthouse for 2012 and be done with it
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Don't blame Dimma ????
Selection policy
Match ups
Positions and moves
Game day tactics
stuff off Hardwit.
Somebody ring Malthouse.
Shifty ACCOUNTANT RAT DOG idiot
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He will probably blame us supporters!
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SUCKING LOSER
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Full of poo this turd.
Can only develop like 2-3 players at a time.
No idea how to develop a team.
NFI PAL.
Ur ego tells u otherwise and uses the list as an excuse but u cant even get them to play any brand of football consistently.
Take a long hard look at urself in the mirror shitmen.
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Has to go, Sorry its as plain as the nose on my face. We have an opportunity to grab the best yet we will have to put up with this garbage. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Sadly Malthouse is staying at Collingwood for the next 12 months from what I heard. Then he will move on. Itll be done like that so that Collingwood and everyone involved can save face from the contractual situation theyre all in.
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Makes no difference the club is in disarray off the field and when we might be in a position to land a big fish our mediocre side will be travelling nicely at that point in time and we will be sticking with what we have at that point in time.
We are an appalling organisation.
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Has to go, Sorry its as plain as the nose on my face. We have an opportunity to grab the best yet we will have to put up with this garbage. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Is this the witch burning thread? Best thing you guys could do for RFC is barrack for Collingwood and dismantle their club by weaving dissent/fear and uncertainty and so forth rather than doing it to Richmond.
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the last 6 weeks proves that Dimma is struggling
Yesterday was the icing on the cake, playing slow temp footy with the wind said it all.
Bye Dimma
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You're loving this, Jackstar. You love it when the tigers play crap. You're more pathetic than anything richmond has dished up.
Owl is a wise man.
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Your not happy unless your running someone down or calling for their stuffing head Jackstar. Your also full of poo. The fact of the matter was the goals were all getting scored with the wind, in the third the wind died down and we lost that advantage to pile on some goals, in the fourth it was back with a veangence and gave them a leg up. They won, we lost. We move on to the next battle during our painful rebuild. And those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
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Your not happy unless your running someone down or calling for their effing head Jackstar. Your also full of poo. The fact of the matter was the goals were all getting scored with the wind, in the third the wind died down and we lost that advantage to pile on some goals, in the fourth it was back with a veangence and gave them a leg up. They won, we lost. We move on to the next battle during our painful rebuild. And those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
A few facts here
* we lost to Gold Coast
* we lost to Port
* we are the worst melbourne based club in the AFL
* we are the worst performing Melbourne based Club in AFL in the past 20 years.
Lets dont that the facts get in the way of a good story hey.
The players show little heart and throw the towel in
If you think we are headed in the right direction, GOOD LUCK
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Your not happy unless your running someone down or calling for their effing head Jackstar. Your also full of poo. The fact of the matter was the goals were all getting scored with the wind, in the third the wind died down and we lost that advantage to pile on some goals, in the fourth it was back with a veangence and gave them a leg up. They won, we lost. We move on to the next battle during our painful rebuild. And those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
and why not call for there head !!!
His coaching record is poor.
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Is this the witch burning thread? Best thing you guys could do for RFC is barrack for Collingwood and dismantle their club by weaving dissent/fear and uncertainty and so forth rather than doing it to Richmond.
:lol :clapping
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Your not happy unless your running someone down or calling for their effing head Jackstar. Your also full of poo. The fact of the matter was the goals were all getting scored with the wind, in the third the wind died down and we lost that advantage to pile on some goals, in the fourth it was back with a veangence and gave them a leg up. They won, we lost. We move on to the next battle during our painful rebuild. And those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
I think the day we stop being shirty about losing to minnow clubs and cellar dwellars will be the day we have become desensitised to losing and have lost passion! This forum is a great way for people to let off steam! It has stopped me from kicking the cat a few times! Let the whining occur, it is a great release!
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Your not happy unless your running someone down or calling for their effing head Jackstar. Your also full of poo. The fact of the matter was the goals were all getting scored with the wind, in the third the wind died down and we lost that advantage to pile on some goals, in the fourth it was back with a veangence and gave them a leg up. They won, we lost. We move on to the next battle during our painful rebuild. And those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
I think the day we stop being shirty about losing to minnow clubs and cellar dwellars will be the day we have become desensitised to losing and have lost passion! This forum is a great way for people to let off steam! It has stopped me from kicking the cat a few times! Let the whining occur, it is a great release!
Cats are overrated GR, kick it anyway!
;D
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Those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
Instant gratification???? Geez Jones, it's been 30 years. THIRTY!! That's more than a generation. It's almost a third of a century. Maybe if we measured it in ice ages it wouldn't look so bad. The latest 5 year plan is starting to unravel BIG TIME, and we still can't see an end in sight.I mean there is patience, and then there's patience. I suspect a lot of us feel like we're just running on fumes.
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Your not happy unless your running someone down or calling for their effing head Jackstar. Your also full of poo. The fact of the matter was the goals were all getting scored with the wind, in the third the wind died down and we lost that advantage to pile on some goals, in the fourth it was back with a veangence and gave them a leg up. They won, we lost. We move on to the next battle during our painful rebuild. And those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
I think the day we stop being shirty about losing to minnow clubs and cellar dwellars will be the day we have become desensitised to losing and have lost passion! This forum is a great way for people to let off steam! It has stopped me from kicking the cat a few times! Let the whining occur, it is a great release!
Cats are overrated GR, kick it anyway!
;D
:lol Yeah you're right Smokey!
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Those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
Instant gratification???? Geez Jones, it's been 30 years. THIRTY!! That's more than a generation. It's almost a third of a century. Maybe if we measured it in ice ages it wouldn't look so bad. The latest 5 year plan is starting to unravel BIG TIME, and we still can't see an end in sight.I mean there is patience, and then there's patience. I suspect a lot of us feel like we're just running on fumes.
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Those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
Instant gratification???? Geez Jones, it's been 30 years. THIRTY!! That's more than a generation. It's almost a third of a century. Maybe if we measured it in ice ages it wouldn't look so bad. The latest 5 year plan is starting to unravel BIG TIME, and we still can't see an end in sight.I mean there is patience, and then there's patience. I suspect a lot of us feel like we're just running on fumes.
Hey, I understand the frustration, lets be fairdinkum here, over the thirty years you cant blame Hardwick and the current bunch for any of the previous sh !t, only the pain we endure now. We knew and were told there would be no shortcuts. I wanna smash stuff too but if we all go ape scat now and don't give him his chance, we are gonna just sink the ship again. This is the boldest undertaking the club has undertaken in those 30 years RollsRoyce. It was gonna be painfull and we just have to suck it up unfortunately. No more bandaids, no more pipe dreams, full rebuild. The club knew this, we were told this but we didn't want to believe it or hoped it would happen faster, I admit, I had hopes. In reality we have isolated some good footballers and even some cream has risen to the top in the past 2 years. Next year we should be shoring up the deficiencies in defence and ruck perhaps in our overall depth and then we will have the makings of a genuine team.
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the last 6 weeks proves that Dimma is struggling
Yesterday was the icing on the cake, playing slow temp footy with the wind said it all.
Bye Dimma
I'm agreeing with everything ur saying JJ.
Now, drop ur pants and Touch ur toes.
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Those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
Instant gratification???? Geez Jones, it's been 30 years. THIRTY!! That's more than a generation. It's almost a third of a century. Maybe if we measured it in ice ages it wouldn't look so bad. The latest 5 year plan is starting to unravel BIG TIME, and we still can't see an end in sight.I mean there is patience, and then there's patience. I suspect a lot of us feel like we're just running on fumes.
Hey, I understand the frustration, lets be fairdinkum here, over the thirty years you cant blame Hardwick and the current bunch for any of the previous sh !t, only the pain we endure now. We knew and were told there would be no shortcuts. I wanna smash stuff too but if we all go ape scat now and don't give him his chance, we are gonna just sink the ship again. This is the boldest undertaking the club has undertaken in those 30 years RollsRoyce. It was gonna be painfull and we just have to suck it up unfortunately. No more bandaids, no more pipe dreams, full rebuild. The club knew this, we were told this but we didn't want to believe it or hoped it would happen faster, I admit, I had hopes. In reality we have isolated some good footballers and even some cream has risen to the top in the past 2 years. Next year we should be shoring up the deficiencies in defence and ruck perhaps in our overall depth and then we will have the makings of a genuine team.
Good work Owl
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Those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
Instant gratification???? Geez Jones, it's been 30 years. THIRTY!! That's more than a generation. It's almost a third of a century. Maybe if we measured it in ice ages it wouldn't look so bad. The latest 5 year plan is starting to unravel BIG TIME, and we still can't see an end in sight.I mean there is patience, and then there's patience. I suspect a lot of us feel like we're just running on fumes.
Hey, I understand the frustration, lets be fairdinkum here, over the thirty years you cant blame Hardwick and the current bunch for any of the previous sh !t, only the pain we endure now. We knew and were told there would be no shortcuts. I wanna smash stuff too but if we all go ape scat now and don't give him his chance, we are gonna just sink the ship again. This is the boldest undertaking the club has undertaken in those 30 years RollsRoyce. It was gonna be painfull and we just have to suck it up unfortunately. No more bandaids, no more pipe dreams, full rebuild. The club knew this, we were told this but we didn't want to believe it or hoped it would happen faster, I admit, I had hopes. In reality we have isolated some good footballers and even some cream has risen to the top in the past 2 years. Next year we should be shoring up the deficiencies in defence and ruck perhaps in our overall depth and then we will have the makings of a genuine team.
owl is correct but time will tell if he is our man. I am confident but the mistakes are starting to become more and more frequent.
In all honesty i actually think Dimma feels that playing the duds he is playing is the best we got.
That can be his only explanation and defense. People need to realise that you cant replace crap with crap even though one could argue playing a man down is a better option that Edwards and Hislop.
The biggest issue i have is with yesterdays 3rd quarter effort. I would love to know 100% if that was his instructions because if it were, i can see why he missed out on so many positions cause thats the worst strategy ive ever heard in football. EVER!!
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Those with some balls endure the pain, the rest WHINE LIKE SOOKS who feel the world owes them some instant gratification.
Instant gratification???? Geez Jones, it's been 30 years. THIRTY!! That's more than a generation. It's almost a third of a century. Maybe if we measured it in ice ages it wouldn't look so bad. The latest 5 year plan is starting to unravel BIG TIME, and we still can't see an end in sight.I mean there is patience, and then there's patience. I suspect a lot of us feel like we're just running on fumes.
Hey, I understand the frustration, lets be fairdinkum here, over the thirty years you cant blame Hardwick and the current bunch for any of the previous sh !t, only the pain we endure now. We knew and were told there would be no shortcuts. I wanna smash stuff too but if we all go ape scat now and don't give him his chance, we are gonna just sink the ship again. This is the boldest undertaking the club has undertaken in those 30 years RollsRoyce. It was gonna be painfull and we just have to suck it up unfortunately. No more bandaids, no more pipe dreams, full rebuild. The club knew this, we were told this but we didn't want to believe it or hoped it would happen faster, I admit, I had hopes. In reality we have isolated some good footballers and even some cream has risen to the top in the past 2 years. Next year we should be shoring up the deficiencies in defence and ruck perhaps in our overall depth and then we will have the makings of a genuine team.
Spot on Owl. :thumbsup
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Look, I was under NO illusions about the enormity of the rebuild. Thanks to the mess Wallace and Miller left, it was always going to be a slash and burn job, from the ground up. And until just a few weeks ago I was happy with the progress we appeared to be making. When we knocked off the Bombers in the dreamtime game, I really thought we were on the right track. The baby steps I was anticipating were suddenly turning into giant strides.
Then we played that "home" game in Darwin, and the cracks started to subtly appear. By the Melbourne game, where we had the task in front of us, and we blew it with 10 minutes of good footy, it was all looking depressingly familiar. As someone here argued, you can't blame a current crop for repeating patterns of the past. But I'm not so sure. There was a hint then that the new players were simply the latest batch to display an acceptance of failure that has become deeply ingrained in the club over the course of this long, frustrating journey.
This was pretty much confirmed by the non-appearance against Carlton on a day that the club hyped up for our FTF: The 10 goal capitulation to Essendon after being 4 goals up deep into the 3rd term: And now being rolled by a bottom of the ladder bunch of nursery school kids, at another sold out "home" game . All this is compounded by growing whispers that the playing group isn't as happy and unified as we've been led to believe, over issues of favouritism, and non-selection of in-form players.
I'm not saying Dimma isn't the right man for the job, but there are definitely some worrying signs. Some of his pronouncements and decisions now that he's under the pump have been baffling.Maybe he needs more help as an inexperienced coach, like say Hird is receiving from Thompson. I think we're all just afraid of yet another 5 year plan blowing up in our face.
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the last 6 weeks proves that Dimma is struggling
Yesterday was the icing on the cake, playing slow temp footy with the wind said it all.
Bye Dimma
Do you honestly think Mick could do any better with our current list? If your answers is Yep then you are heavily over rating our list
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the last 6 weeks proves that Dimma is struggling
Yesterday was the icing on the cake, playing slow temp footy with the wind said it all.
Bye Dimma
Do you honestly think Mick could do any better with our current list? If your answers is Yep then you are heavily over rating our list
The answer is YES.
He wouldnt put up with the gabbage the players dish up.
You need people who can motivate players.
Currently players put up the white flag.
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also we are playing badly as a group.
very sad,
Dimma says there lost there mojo.
well guess what, do something about it .
Not the players fault.
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the last 6 weeks proves that Dimma is struggling
Yesterday was the icing on the cake, playing slow temp footy with the wind said it all.
Bye Dimma
Do you honestly think Mick could do any better with our current list? If your answers is Yep then you are heavily over rating our list
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I do.
He would be getting consistencynand markesnimprocement out of players
Hsrdwick has them going backwards
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the last 6 weeks proves that Dimma is struggling
Yesterday was the icing on the cake, playing slow temp footy with the wind said it all.
Bye Dimma
Do you honestly think Mick could do any better with our current list? If your answers is Yep then you are heavily over rating our list
Thats a pretty dumb question WP if you ask me. You are asking if a premership player and coach, a consistent performer and the best coach in the country cant do better than Dimma. Come on get real.
Dimma is young Dimma is fresh and the jury is still out, malthouse is in a league of his own.
I can guarantee he wouldnt have us chipping around when your going for the wind nor would he go around saying spots for duds like Edwards and Jackson are guaranteed.
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and Mick wouldnt put up with players kicking the balls 15 metres sideways either. :banghead :banghead
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Thats a pretty dumb question WP if you ask me. You are asking if a premership player and coach, a consistent performer and the best coach in the country cant do better than Dimma. Come on get real.
daniel it isn't a dumb question if people on here honestly believe that Mick (who btw I've rated as the best coach in the Comp for the last decade) turning up is going to turn things around in the space of a season or a few games?
Look how long it took for him to re-build C'wood? He didn't turn them around in his first season there did he? So the question isn't dumb.
But based on where we are right now I don't think Mick coming and coaching Richmond is suddenly going to get us into finals, I don't think it is suddenly going to stop our players being mentally fragile when things go bad. Can he fix them? Absolutely no doubt he would but to suggest he would do it straight away without having to make further culls to the list and it think it is going to happen in the space of one person walking through the door well it is fairyland thinking IMHO
Our list has so many gapping holes in it - do you think Malthouse can cure them by just walking in the door? Not likely, so how can the question be dumb?
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Thats a pretty dumb question WP if you ask me. You are asking if a premership player and coach, a consistent performer and the best coach in the country cant do better than Dimma. Come on get real.
daniel it isn't a dumb question if people on here honestly believe that Mick (who btw I've rated as the best coach in the Comp for the last decade) turning up is going to turn things around in the space of a season or a few games?
Look how long it took for him to re-build C'wood? He didn't turn them around in his first season there did he? So the question isn't dumb.
But based on where we are right now I don't think Mick coming and coaching Richmond is suddenly going to get us into finals, I don't think it is suddenly going to stop our players being mentally fragile when things go bad. Can he fix them? Absolutely no doubt he would but to suggest he would do it straight away without having to make further culls to the list and it think it is going to happen in the space of one person walking through the door well it is fairyland thinking IMHO
Our list has so many gapping holes in it - do you think Malthouse can cure them by just walking in the door? Not likely, so how can the question be dumb?
your question was can mick do better than Dimma. the answer is absolutely so i stand by my comment, but should we bother i say no.
I will say this with gale in charge and Dimma whom i still rate cant get us into finals then our football should shut its doors and just give up.
I will judge Dimma in November when the delistings are made for all to see. It will make or break it for him IMO.
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we need a coach who can make players ""walk through walls""
Players arent motivated one bit going on the insipid displays of late.
I watched the Brisbane game today and even though they arent up to it, they have a dip.
We dont have a dip.
BIG ISSUE !
Its not about winning or losing, ITS HOW YOU PLAY
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your question was can mick do better than Dimma. the answer is absolutely so i stand by my comment, but should we bother i say no.
over time Mick would make a difference no doubt (we agree) but right at the minute I doubt he could get much more out of the some of the duds we have
I will judge Dimma in November when the delistings are made for all to see. It will make or break it for him IMO.
Absolutely agree with you on this one daniel :thumbsup
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I watched the Brisbane game today and even though they arent up to it, they have a dip.
This is the Lions team that was up by 4 goals at home against the living pile of manure that is the RFC and lost by 5 goals?
Didn't they also lose to the Gold Coast?
They seem to only have a dip when it suits them, or your argument :-*
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We dont have a dip.
BIG ISSUE !
Its not about winning or losing, ITS HOW YOU PLAY
i agree we haven't had a 4qtr dip for a while
lack of onfield leaders not the coach
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Sadly Malthouse is staying at Collingwood for the next 12 months from what I heard. Then he will move on. Itll be done like that so that Collingwood and everyone involved can save face from the contractual situation theyre all in.
i was told he has signed with carlscum already
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Told by Whom?
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What i cannot understand for the life of me is peoples blind faith when it comes to Hardwick.
Have we learnt nothing from the last 30 years, let alone the last 5? Just because we choose Hardwick doesn't guarantee he was the right choice. Lets be honest, it wouldn't be our first bad selection the club has made. We as members and supporters should question the decisions he makes for our club. Be it, game plan, selection, delistments or whatever.
The reality is we have a coach that has never done this job before.
We seem not to have improved much in nearly 2 seasons. (in any facet)
He still seems to be playing sub standard players. IE Hislop and Farmer
We are still moving the ball so slowly and kicking sideways.
We still seem not to want to tackle and chase and all the 1% things i thought Hardwick would have instilled in us first.
We still seem not to be able to hit easy targets over 20/30 metres.
We still seem to not to wont to work for each other.
Is there anything people think DW has done well since being here? If so, what? And before people say, he got rid of some players last year, well that is the easy bit that you and i could have done.
And one last question, what if at the end of next year we are still bottom 4 with still only 5 odd wins against bottom sides, does DH get another contract?
Interested to hear what peoples thoughts on where we should be and what a pass mark is for Hardwick in his 3 years as our coach.
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Told by Whom?
the oracle
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and its not as though we have been ruthless with coaches
Frawley 5 years
Wallace 5 years
Dimma ?? if not improvement at years end, why continue.
Someone please give me a GOOD reason
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cause it will make you sook like the pregnant ass hooker you are
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cause it will make you sook like the pregnant ass hooker you are
Now thats a classy post :sleep :sleep :sleep
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What i cannot understand for the life of me is peoples blind faith when it comes to Hardwick.
Have we learnt nothing from the last 30 years, let alone the last 5? Just because we choose Hardwick doesn't guarantee he was the right choice. Lets be honest, it wouldn't be our first bad selection the club has made. We as members and supporters should question the decisions he makes for our club. Be it, game plan, selection, delistments or whatever.
The reality is we have a coach that has never done this job before.
We seem not to have improved much in nearly 2 seasons. (in any facet)
He still seems to be playing sub standard players. IE Hislop and Farmer
We are still moving the ball so slowly and kicking sideways.
We still seem not to want to tackle and chase and all the 1% things i thought Hardwick would have instilled in us first.
We still seem not to be able to hit easy targets over 20/30 metres.
We still seem to not to wont to work for each other.
Is there anything people think DW has done well since being here? If so, what? And before people say, he got rid of some players last year, well that is the easy bit that you and i could have done.
And one last question, what if at the end of next year we are still bottom 4 with still only 5 odd wins against bottom sides, does DH get another contract?
Interested to hear what peoples thoughts on where we should be and what a pass mark is for Hardwick in his 3 years as our coach.
Well said, best post of the month
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What i cannot understand for the life of me is peoples blind faith when it comes to Hardwick.
Have we learnt nothing from the last 30 years, let alone the last 5? Just because we choose Hardwick doesn't guarantee he was the right choice. Lets be honest, it wouldn't be our first bad selection the club has made. We as members and supporters should question the decisions he makes for our club. Be it, game plan, selection, delistments or whatever.
The reality is we have a coach that has never done this job before.
We seem not to have improved much in nearly 2 seasons. (in any facet)
He still seems to be playing sub standard players. IE Hislop and Farmer
We are still moving the ball so slowly and kicking sideways.
We still seem not to want to tackle and chase and all the 1% things i thought Hardwick would have instilled in us first.
We still seem not to be able to hit easy targets over 20/30 metres.
We still seem to not to wont to work for each other.
Is there anything people think DW has done well since being here? If so, what? And before people say, he got rid of some players last year, well that is the easy bit that you and i could have done.
And one last question, what if at the end of next year we are still bottom 4 with still only 5 odd wins against bottom sides, does DH get another contract?
Interested to hear what peoples thoughts on where we should be and what a pass mark is for Hardwick in his 3 years as our coach.
i hear what your saying BT and i respect that but i will decide for myself after this trade period is done and dusted.
if the likes of Edwards, Hislop, Jackson, Thursfield and one of King/Nahas are still here then i will agree with you 100%.
This is his biggest chance to trade out some albeit small value, to get some cream and if he doesnt then he is gone.
I do agree i dont see any improvement all those areas, apart from the fact that i think our klicking has improved, marginally. than this time last year but again the season is not dead yet.
I cant believe after all these years our players still dont tackle or shepherd for each other.
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didnt see one shepherd on saturday
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There are too many players at the club that are not up to AFL standard there has to be a clean out at the end of the year. For example Edwards, Jackson, Hislop, Browne,Graham, Thursfield, Miller, McGuane must go or be traded.
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i think our klicking has improved, marginally.
Which would be good if we were the ciccada's, and not the Tigers ;D
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Is there anything people think DW has done well since being here?
DW ? Damien Wallace ? ;D
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Looks like no one's prepared to answer this one big tone
But here's my take ;D
What i cannot understand for the life of me is peoples blind faith when it comes to Hardwick.
Have we learnt nothing from the last 30 years, let alone the last 5? Just because we choose Hardwick doesn't guarantee he was the right choice. Lets be honest, it wouldn't be our first bad selection the club has made. We as members and supporters should question the decisions he makes for our club. Be it, game plan, selection, delistments or whatever.
I don't think it's blind faith big tone I reckon it's rational, level headed thinking as opposed knee jerk reactions when things go a little pear shaped.
I would hope in 30 years that's one thing we might have actually learnt. That we (The RFC) have for far too long reacted to with short sighted decisions, knee jerk reactions and quite frankly gone around and around in cirlces always ending up the in the same spot. We never bothered with any type of plan.
Wallace is the perfect example promised one thing when he was appointed and as soon as it went to crap (2 years in) he changed his "plan" and the cycle started again
I find strange that nearly everyone agreed when Hardwick was appointed (and to be honest it didn't matter who the person was btw) it was going to take a long time to re-build this club. Now we seem to be saying a long time is only 18 months?
Facts are he is 18 months into the job. Has he made mistakes? You bet he has not disputing that for one minute and he is likely to make some more but he isn't the first and he wont be the last.
Even long time coaches make mistakes
The reality is we have a coach that has never done this job before.
I don't think anyone is disputing that fact..... every experienced coach in the business was once in Harwick's shoes - a rookie coach
We seem not to have improved much in nearly 2 seasons. (in any facet)
He still seems to be playing sub standard players. IE Hislop and Farmer
We are still moving the ball so slowly and kicking sideways.
We still seem not to want to tackle and chase and all the 1% things i thought Hardwick would have instilled in us first.
We still seem not to be able to hit easy targets over 20/30 metres.
We still seem to not to wont to work for each other.
I keep asking the same thing and very few seem willing to answer
Six weeks ago after the Dreamtime game when everyone was feeling great - did people think we had improved?
Simple honest answer (if people are willing to be truly honest) is YES.
Now people are saying we haven't :-\
Yes the last 6 weeks have diabolical, shocking whatever you want to call it and if you look at that in isolation then yeah you'd say there's been no improvement.
But I don't think it is reasonable to just base the answer on the last 6 weeks any assessment has to be based on what he has done since his appointment.
So here are my questions and my answers
* Over 18 months have we improved? My answers is YES.
* As much as I had hoped we would? In some areas yes in other areas no
* Has he improved & developed players? Yep, King, Nahas, Rance, Grimes, Reiwoldt & Vickery ;) are a few I can think that have improved and then there are those that haven't and no doubt that is disappointing. No coach is going to have a 100% strike rate with improving players
* His mistakes? This for mine currently his biggest problem is his tendency to play favourites especially Jackson - biggest mistake IMHO he's made since he has been at the club is making the statement that Jackson would always get a game in his side....DUMB DUMB ...
Is there anything people think DW has done well since being here? If so, what? And before people say, he got rid of some players last year, well that is the easy bit that you and i could have done.
See above and I will add I reckon the fact he has given the recruiting folks a clear set of guidelines on what his requirements we want from kids we draft is plus compared to what the previous senior coaches did.
And one last question, what if at the end of next year we are still bottom 4 with still only 5 odd wins against bottom sides, does DH get another contract?
Getting another contract cannot be based solely on win/losses when you are where we are.
I say that because if any club with a thin or young list were to lose all their top liners then results wise they would struggle more than what we are now. 2 of our best players are currently horribly out of form and having no impact on games and boy is it costing us - imagine what it would be like if our top 5-6 were to miss :'(
Any contract extension IMO has to be based on improvement in all facets of the on field, not just win/losses. It needs to be based on the list re-build, the game style, the development of players etc
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I'm still supporting Hardwick because he's been given the toughest job in football, because when people say he has a 3 year contract in effect it was a 1 year contract at best because the first 2 years he had to get rid of crap and sadly even in his 3rd year he will be getting rid of more crap that was put on the list during Frawleys and Wallaces era's. Thats not Hardwicks fault! Hardwick has done what we all wanted- started to cut deep into a poo list and cut the jokers. The sad state of our football club is that he will have to cut 8 to 10 more this year.
Hardwick will make mistakes but he hasnt been given a fair go at it. IMHO the fact that we have seen improvement in the likes of Vickery, Rance as young players and even older players like King suggest that he is on the right road map. He should be given a fair chance.
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I agree mostly with what WP says. I believe that the leadership group is seriously flawed. Cotchin should be elevated to the leadership group. The decision to have Jackson and Foley in the leadership group is flawed. Clearly we have got too many players who are not up to AFL standards and have poor depth particularly in the midfield and defence and no ruckman at all. The decision to vitually not to play Tuck at all is disgraceful. If you were not going to play him this year he should have been let go last year. The decision to play Jackson iregardless of form is seriously flawed.
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didnt see one shepherd on saturday
That was another that stuck in my craw from the weekend.
Basic under 16 football stuff, give off and protect the man you give it off to, we always seem to try the 1 2. Stupid when under pressure when a shepard would relieive the pressure.
Saw one blatant obvious one we had 2 to 1 and the guys under the immediate pressure handballed off, only the had to block the suns player but decided to go for the fancy poo and hence te player that received was put under immediate pressure, fumbled the hanball, Suns players had arrived by then and TURNOVER.
PATHETIC STUFF.
I still have the replay at home I will see if I can find that particular one I was talikng about.
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I agree mostly with what WP says. I believe that the leadership group is seriously flawed. Cotchin should be elevated to the leadership group.
Cotchin is in the leadership - he's DVC for memory
Our leadership group is:
Newman (c)
Foley (VC)
Deledio (DVC)
Cotchin (DVC)
Jackson
Reiwoldt
:thumbsup
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Jackson and Riewoldt LMAO
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2012 Leadership Group for me
Trent Cotchin- Captain
Alex Rance- Vice Captain
Dustin Martin- Deputy Vice Captain
Tyrone Vickery- Deputy Vice Captain
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2012 Leadership Group for me
Trent Cotchin- Captain
Alex Rance- Vice Captain
Dustin Martin- Deputy Vice Captain
Tyrone Vickery- Deputy Vice Captain
I'd keep Lids in the leadership group Flagman because I reckon personally he is a good leader and he has shown alot this year especially what doesn't get seen or picked up on the TV
And I'd consider putting Kingy in there as well
Not sure about Martin though
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2012 Leadership Group for me
Trent Cotchin- Captain
Alex Rance- Vice Captain
Dustin Martin- Deputy Vice Captain
Tyrone Vickery- Deputy Vice Captain
I'd keep Lids in the leadership group Flagman because I reckon personally he is a good leader and he has shown alot this year especially what doesn't get seen or picked up on the TV
And I'd consider putting Kingy in there as well
Not sure about Martin though
Yeah your right. For me Alex Rance is the bolter. The kid has made major gains IMHO and deserves some recognition for how he goes about it.
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Reckon in the not too distant future you will see Conca, Astbury and Grimes in the leadership group.
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I'm still supporting Hardwick because he's been given the toughest job in football, because when people say he has a 3 year contract in effect it was a 1 year contract at best because the first 2 years he had to get rid of crap and sadly even in his 3rd year he will be getting rid of more crap that was put on the list during Frawleys and Wallaces era's. Thats not Hardwicks fault! Hardwick has done what we all wanted- started to cut deep into a poo list and cut the jokers. The sad state of our football club is that he will have to cut 8 to 10 more this year.
Hardwick will make mistakes but he hasnt been given a fair go at it. IMHO the fact that we have seen improvement in the likes of Vickery, Rance as young players and even older players like King suggest that he is on the right road map. He should be given a fair chance.
Hit the nail right on the the head there flagman.
:thumbsup
* His mistakes? This for mine currently his biggest problem is his tendency to play favourites especially Jackson - biggest mistake IMHO he's made since he has been at the club is making the statement that Jackson would always get a game in his side....DUMB DUMB ...
perhaps, just perhaps, he is talking up his trade value :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
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perhaps, just perhaps, he is talking up his trade value :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
maybe but you dont' say it publicly sends a terrible message
To ush up his currency all you have to do is keep playing in the seniors ;D
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Reckon in the not too distant future you will see Conca, Astbury and Grimes in the leadership group.
I don't care who is in the leadership group. All I care about is they show leadership out on that ground. Titles mean jack. I want to believe Dima I want to move forward. If there is a problem - fine. But please lets move forward, not more of the same.
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I don't blame Hardwick. Our number 1 problem is still our list. We need another big clean out end of season.
Exactly.
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There is another reason I think that is part of why we look like we have gone backwards. Last year we added something like 14 players and like most second year players (all around the league) they seem to have a drop off before kicking on the third and fourth year. I dont know the reason for this but it seems to happen to most of them. Hardly any of the guys we added last year (2010) has really come on much further this year including Martin. I fully expect the 2011 batch to drop of next year to but there are not as many of them. The 2010 batch will come on in 2012 (third year) and this is where our improvement will come from. Third and fourth year players are where the big improvement seems to come and we will have a many of those. If you look at the list of improved players from this year that some of us (including me) doubted then you will see the trend Im talking about.
Unlike some I can still see the light and I believe Hardwick sees it too.
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Dimma, you have definetely swung the axe this week.
::)
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Good to see that you can go away for a year and some posters are still posting the same old crap
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Chucky!