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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 13, 2011, 11:31:08 AM
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Welcome Gibson
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# 25 Richmond - Gibson Turner (NT – small midfielder)
Small fwd from NT who was invited to DC and I thought was a genuine shot at a slot on GWS list. Is a terrific type and reminds very much of a young Leon Davis. Terrific pace and agility and very good 1:1 and even better when the ball hits the ground. Another who I would have as a mid range pick in the draft. Real favourite of mine.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=894434
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You blokes keep posting duplicates and I'll keep merging
Now that's team work :thumbsup
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Very good selection IMHO. :clapping
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I like the way they selected Maric as a small fwd (a talented player who in the past thought he was all that it has to be said) and then select another small fwd so they'll be competing against each other as well as King and Nahas who are best 22 at this stage.
List management structures coming along well under Dimma
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You blokes keep posting duplicates and I'll keep merging
Now that's team work :thumbsup
;D :thumbsup
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Gibson TURNER (NT Thunder)
DOB: 22/7/93. Ht: 180cm. Wt: 70kg.
Pos: Small forward.
"Gibson goes to school in Adelaide and played a few games with Norwood. He is a lightning quick small midfielder/forward who is very good in close and just knows where the goals are. He is very good on both sides of his body and seems to have plenty of time even in congested situations." — NT Thunder coach Murray Davis.
Northern Territory representative 2011.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uvna_eiO3Q
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I have very high hopes for this psd and rookie draft. Very pleased - I havent been this pleased on PSD or Rookie draft day well since .... well since when Methusalah was a boy ;D
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I have very high hopes for this psd and rookie draft. Very pleased - I havent been this pleased on PSD or Rookie draft day well since .... well since when Methusalah was a boy ;D
Agreed!
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Really good selection :gotigers
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Francis Jackson on Turner:
"Gibson is an indigenous boy from Alice Springs, who we've been tracking for a while. He played with NT Thunder in the national under-18 carnival and he's been at boarding school in Adelaide for two years. He's a small forward with terrific movement, great leg-speed, and he's a natural goalkicker. He's goal really good goal-sense. We're confident he'll fit into our program."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/127102/default.aspx
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Pics:
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Nickname must be Beyond Thunderdome :thumbsup (for those born before 1977)
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I would like to commend the RFC for giving Troy Taylor another chance at AFL football :shh
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I would like to commend the RFC for giving Troy Taylor another chance at AFL football :shh
Is this supposed to be funny?
:help
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I would like to commend the RFC for giving Troy Taylor another chance at AFL football :shh
Is this supposed to be funny?
:help
Probably a nice bloke but I've seen my fair share of documentaries, news stories, failed sports persons and kids transferred to my primary schools from out of there and am pretty pessimistic about any body from the area. I don't care if I have to eat my hat and admit being wrong, but I'm betting this one will just be another statistic.
Not trolling or being a jerk either. I generally think I'm more of a Bojangles than a Jackstar.
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Nickname must be Beyond Thunderdome :thumbsup (for those born before 1977)
Not bad but I can't get Debbie Gibson out of my head.
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I like the way they selected Maric as a small fwd (a talented player who in the past thought he was all that it has to be said) and then select another small fwd so they'll be competing against each other as well as King and Nahas who are best 22 at this stage.
List management structures coming along well under Dimma
well said.
Coburg for the flag 8)
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Love to see this guy turn out, we really haven't had a genuine small goal sneak since Naish IMO.
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Love to see this guy turn out, we really haven't had a genuine small goal sneak since Naish IMO.
would love this kid come good.
Rodan. Krakouer. Collard. Troytossertaylor etc. Can GGF
gturner the black gablett. :rollin
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Love to see this guy turn out, we really haven't had a genuine small goal sneak since Naish IMO.
would love this kid come good.
Rodan. Krakouer. Collard. Troytossertaylor etc. Can GGF
gturner the black gablett. :rollin
So like I said we haven't had a genuine goal sneak since Naish, one that worked out anyway. Krak was about as good as we have had and he was average to say the least.
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I would like to commend the RFC for giving Troy Taylor another chance at AFL football :shh
Is this supposed to be funny?
:help
Probably a nice bloke but I've seen my fair share of documentaries, news stories, failed sports persons and kids transferred to my primary schools from out of there and am pretty pessimistic about any body from the area. I don't care if I have to eat my hat and admit being wrong, but I'm betting this one will just be another statistic.
Not trolling or being a jerk either. I generally think I'm more of a Bojangles than a Jackstar.
Except for the fact that he's spent the last 2 years at a boarding school in Adelaide. He'd be used to non-NT life by now.
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A bit of insight into the kid in this article;
Territorian Turner making all the right moves
Gibson Turner is renowned for his moves on the football field but it was a move made two years ago that the lightning fast indigenous talent describes as the best of his career.
"I used to get into trouble with the police a bit so I moved in with my grandmother to stay out of trouble," he said.
"She's made me a better person and I owe her a lot because I wasn't going to school there for a while and if it wasn't for her I might have even been in jail instead of at this draft camp.
"I look back on it now as a really smart move."
While residing at Saint Teresa, an aboriginal community 140km east of Alice Springs, Turner began to turn his life around and by sheer chance got the break he was hoping for when a former scholar of Adelaide's prestigious Sacred Heart College offered his services tutoring students at Saint Teresa.
He tested Turner, along with three other students, who gained entry level requirements to attend Sacred Heart.
While apprehensive about making the move from a township of 300 to a city of one million, the opportunity was one Turner says has developed all facets of his life.
"It was difficult last year being my first away from home but although I was playing for Norwood I didn't play much for them because there was so much school footy to play," he said.
"But this year I just got used to it and it's been a whole lot better. I only get homesick once in while.
"I've grown up and matured a fair bit I reckon, both mentally and physically."
Despite not testing at the October draft camp because of an ankle injury, the buzz is high on the livewire forward.
The 18-year-old averaged two goals a game for Northern Territory at the national championships and is considered one of the draft's best small forwards.
The one-time wayward teenager is now very much right on track.
"When I go home the kids there now think I'm the big role model," he said.
"They all want to be like me which is pretty good. If some of them can follow me it would be great."
A West Coast fan who rates Aaron Davey as his favourite player, Turner says he is ready to go anywhere to pursue his AFL dream.
Having been away from home for the past two seasons, he is undaunted by the likelihood of moving interstate.
"I'm ready for it," he said.
http://www.insidefootballonline.com/news2.html
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I would like to commend the RFC for giving Troy Taylor another chance at AFL football :shh
Is this supposed to be funny?
:help
Probably a nice bloke but I've seen my fair share of documentaries, news stories, failed sports persons and kids transferred to my primary schools from out of there and am pretty pessimistic about any body from the area. I don't care if I have to eat my hat and admit being wrong, but I'm betting this one will just be another statistic.
Not trolling or being a jerk either. I generally think I'm more of a Bojangles than a Jackstar.
Except for the fact that he's spent the last 2 years at a boarding school in Adelaide. He'd be used to non-NT life by now.
Fingers crossed anyway. Let's see what happens when he's away from the regimented boarding school lifestyle. The article that Al posted is at least a little promising, though him describing his past was exactly what I was alluding to. I'm still going to stand by my comment, yet more than happy to eat my own hat, even yours if you like, if he's not just another statistic.
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Give the kid a chance, everyone is their own person and shouldn't be prejudged on where they came from or ...anything else for that matter, just on their actions.
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SHC :thumbsup
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boy do i like the look of gibbo, has hands like a steel trap, moves like a gazelle and has a laser like foot...needs to put some weight on but whoa this kid has talent to burn, what a smokey :shh
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boy do i like the look of gibbo, has hands like a steel trap, moves like a gazelle and has a laser like foot...needs to put some weight on but whoa this kid has talent to burn, what a smokey :shh
You're disappointing me now BJ....just a smokey lol...this kid could be a prodigy or at the very least a phenomenon ;D
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Good to decision to draft. Hopefully he will become the x factor in our forward line
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Could be our the X factor out of this draft
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The Messiah! :bow
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As much as I would like to see all our rookie selections make the grade I think we are all getting a bit carried away. This was the ROOKIE draft guys and the chances of any of them making it is slim. Dont forget how shallow this years draft was suposed to be and these guys didnt even get picked in that. Maybe 1 in 6 rookies make the grade (if that) so lets just settle down and cross our fingers with all of these guys.
That said, I do like what I have read about our choices and wish them all the best. Grab that chance with both hands guys as there are tons of others that would kill for the chance.
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whoa get with the program partner :shh
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whoa get with the program partner :shh
I would love to Gerks but years of hearing this and that about our recruits has sort of made me a bit more sceptical about the chances. Ask me if I think we are going to improve this year and I will say Im on board. Most likely the improvement will come form the likes of Ashbury, Post, Griffith, etc (year 3 and 4) our top draft choices and trades. These rookies would be a absoulte bonus if they stepped up.
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Gibson's best-on-ground performance for Thunder in an U18 game against Western Australia in Darwin gave him the kickstart he needed.
"I'm really pleased for both boys [Gibson Turner and Freo's Jordan Wilson] to get an opportunity to play football at the highest level," NT Institute of Sport AFL head coach Brenton Toy said. "They're both quality kids who are good people off the field and very good players on it.
"Gibbo's a ripper kid. If he walks into a room he's one of those blokes who can liven it up and we expect him to do really well at Richmond.
"He kicked four goals against WA, can take a contested mark and is really good at ground level.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/12/14/278111_ntsport.html
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150468191758276&set=a.10150468181493276.389267.298686323275&type=3&l=32d18271aa&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150468191758276&set=a.10150468181493276.389267.298686323275&type=3&l=32d18271aa&theater)
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we need to do something left field and get these indigineous kids on the right track. Id be looking at enrolling him at melbourne grammer as a boarder and make sure he finishes his school and whilst there learn a thing or two about discipline. i think we've proven that taking delinquents straight into an elite sporting outfit simply doesnt work. Now Im not saying gibbo is a delinquent but i do understand he has been in some strife...straight to boarding school in his first 12 months and you know what, he might just realise his god given talents rather than peeing them up against the wall :shh
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we need to do something left field and get these indigineous kids on the right track. Id be looking at enrolling him at melbourne grammer as a boarder and make sure he finishes his school and whilst there learn a thing or two about discipline. i think we've proven that taking delinquents straight into an elite sporting outfit simply doesnt work. Now Im not saying gibbo is a delinquent but i do understand he has been in some strife...straight to boarding school in his first 12 months and you know what, he might just realise his god given talents rather than peeing them up against the wall :shh
Whilst I agree he needs to be managed I dont agree "straight to boarding school" is the answer. Doing that could actuallly work in reverese.
He needs a family environment where he is taken in, treated as a family member and given an education..IMO
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we need to do something left field and get these indigineous kids on the right track. Id be looking at enrolling him at melbourne grammer as a boarder and make sure he finishes his school and whilst there learn a thing or two about discipline. i think we've proven that taking delinquents straight into an elite sporting outfit simply doesnt work. Now Im not saying gibbo is a delinquent but i do understand he has been in some strife...straight to boarding school in his first 12 months and you know what, he might just realise his god given talents rather than peeing them up against the wall :shh
Whilst I agree he needs to be managed I dont agree "straight to boarding school" is the answer. Doing that could actuallly work in reverese.
He needs a family environment where he is taken in, treated as a family member and given an education..IMO
From what I hear is he has his head screwed on fairly tight :rollin :shh LMFAO at you guys guessing what he may or may not need :lol :lol
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we need to do something left field and get these indigineous kids on the right track. Id be looking at enrolling him at melbourne grammer as a boarder and make sure he finishes his school and whilst there learn a thing or two about discipline. i think we've proven that taking delinquents straight into an elite sporting outfit simply doesnt work. Now Im not saying gibbo is a delinquent but i do understand he has been in some strife...straight to boarding school in his first 12 months and you know what, he might just realise his god given talents rather than peeing them up against the wall :shh
Whilst I agree he needs to be managed I dont agree "straight to boarding school" is the answer. Doing that could actuallly work in reverese.
He needs a family environment where he is taken in, treated as a family member and given an education..IMO
From what I hear is he has his head screwed on fairly tight :rollin :shh LMFAO at you guys guessing what he may or may not need :lol :lol
Well thats great then, we won't have a worry will we.....You can LYFAO all you want but gee our track record in this area is at about 0% success.....so wouldn't you think of managing people better moving forward???????
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150468191758276&set=a.10150468181493276.389267.298686323275&type=3&l=32d18271aa&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150468191758276&set=a.10150468181493276.389267.298686323275&type=3&l=32d18271aa&theater)
yo relton. Pass the pipe cuz
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Well thats great then, we won't have a worry will we.....You can LYFAO all you want but gee our track record in this area is at about 0% success.....so wouldn't you think of managing people better moving forward???????
As long ad his blanky and favourite Teddy are packed he wil be fine, there's a big difference between this kid and the last couple we've had ;)
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Well thats great then, we won't have a worry will we.....You can LYFAO all you want but gee our track record in this area is at about 0% success.....so wouldn't you think of managing people better moving forward???????
As long ad his blanky and favourite Teddy are packed he wil be fine, there's a big difference between this kid and the last couple we've had ;)
Like I said, thats great to hear then. :thumbsup
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LOL. He's already spent time at a boarding school.
get with the program, partner.
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And I'm pretty sure at 18 he's finished Year 12
bloody nuff nuffs ::)
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LOL. He's already spent time at a boarding school.
get with the program, partner.
Ok SA, ...didnt realise that, single out my post again...partner...I mearly questioned sending to him one, responding to a post whether it be the first or second time he has been one, they do differ as do the cities they are located..... :wallywink
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since when do you use the term partner?
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since when do you use the term partner?
Since when I want, what are you the "partner" Police.... :police:
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we need to do something left field and get these indigineous kids on the right track. Id be looking at enrolling him at melbourne grammer as a boarder and make sure he finishes his school and whilst there learn a thing or two about discipline. i think we've proven that taking delinquents straight into an elite sporting outfit simply doesnt work. Now Im not saying gibbo is a delinquent but i do understand he has been in some strife...straight to boarding school in his first 12 months and you know what, he might just realise his god given talents rather than peeing them up against the wall :shh
Labelling him a delinquent says a more about yourself than it does him.. The boy is giving it a go!!!! a bit of support can go a long way
http://www.insidefootballonline.com/news2.html
AFL NEWS
Territorian Turner making all the right moves
Gibson Turner is renowned for his moves on the football field but it was a move made two years ago that the lightning fast indigenous talent describes as the best of his career.
"I used to get into trouble with the police a bit so I moved in with my grandmother to stay out of trouble," he said.
"She's made me a better person and I owe her a lot because I wasn't going to school there for a while and if it wasn't for her I might have even been in jail instead of at this draft camp.
"I look back on it now as a really smart move."
While residing at Saint Teresa, an aboriginal community 140km east of Alice Springs, Turner began to turn his life around and by sheer chance got the break he was hoping for when a former scholar of Adelaide's prestigious Sacred Heart College offered his services tutoring students at Saint Teresa.
He tested Turner, along with three other students, who gained entry level requirements to attend Sacred Heart.
While apprehensive about making the move from a township of 300 to a city of one million, the opportunity was one Turner says has developed all facets of his life.
"It was difficult last year being my first away from home but although I was playing for Norwood I didn't play much for them because there was so much school footy to play," he said.
"But this year I just got used to it and it's been a whole lot better. I only get homesick once in while.
"I've grown up and matured a fair bit I reckon, both mentally and physically."
Despite not testing at the October draft camp because of an ankle injury, the buzz is high on the livewire forward.
The 18-year-old averaged two goals a game for Northern Territory at the national championships and is considered one of the draft's best small forwards.
The one-time wayward teenager is now very much right on track.
"When I go home the kids there now think I'm the big role model," he said.
"They all want to be like me which is pretty good. If some of them can follow me it would be great."
A West Coast fan who rates Aaron Davey as his favourite player, Turner says he is ready to go anywhere to pursue his AFL dream.
Having been away from home for the past two seasons, he is undaunted by the likelihood of moving interstate.
"I'm ready for it," he said.
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
None of them moved interstate for school to improve themselves.. IIRC
As for Tambling. just let it go, just let it go :cheers
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
None of them moved interstate for school to improve themselves.. IIRC
As for Tambling. just let it go, just let it go :cheers
They all moved though...
First time I have brought him up mate, just an example as were the others.
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its good to see ct back
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
Bleks must all just look and act the same to racialists like you hey? Clones!
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
None of them moved interstate for school to improve themselves.. IIRC
As for Tambling. just let it go, just let it go :cheers
They all moved though...
Only after being drafted.. This guy has moved before being drafted..
Nicely put Owl :clapping
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I have very high hopes for Gibson Turner. I think he can become a very good player indeed. As for how the club handles his future thats up to them, whether its sending him to tafe or university or getting him an apprenticeship, Im sure they'll find a way to help him in his future.
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How this situation can remind anyone of Tambling has me stunned.
Tambling has never been anything but a perfect citizen off-field. His approach to life was always one of his best attributes. The bloke has not only looked after himself, but taken in wayward family members etc. Taking a potshot at him is weak as pee.
People forget he even stood up in front of parliament and got the government grant over the line.
And in a further positive, we stitched the Crows up with him at the trade table.
I know you mentioned he did nothing wrong off-field WAT, but just seems strange to lump him in with a group of problem childs when assessing Turner.
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How this situation can remind anyone of Tambling has me stunned.
Tambling has never been anything but a perfect citizen off-field. His approach to life was always one of his best attributes. The bloke has not only looked after himself, but taken in wayward family members etc. Taking a potshot at him is weak as pee.
People forget he even stood up in front of parliament and got the government grant over the line.
And in a further positive, we stitched the Crows up with him at the trade table.
I know you mentioned he did nothing wrong off-field WAT, but just seems strange to lump him in with a group of problem childs when assessing Turner.
Tambling helped us get the grant + from memory Dean McDonald and Todd Elton + next years compo pick. I think we done ok from getting Tambling to be honest.
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How this situation can remind anyone of Tambling has me stunned.
Tambling has never been anything but a perfect citizen off-field. His approach to life was always one of his best attributes. The bloke has not only looked after himself, but taken in wayward family members etc. Taking a potshot at him is weak as pee.
People forget he even stood up in front of parliament and got the government grant over the line.
And in a further positive, we stitched the Crows up with him at the trade table.
I know you mentioned he did nothing wrong off-field WAT, but just seems strange to lump him in with a group of problem childs when assessing Turner.
Tambling helped us get the grant
He certainly did damo & Flagman
Agree it's not fair to lump him in with the so called "problem kids"
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Richmond rapt
By Dale Fletcher
AliceNow
Friday, 16 December 2011
RICHMOND Football Club could not be happier with the addition of Federal flying forward Gibson Turner.
The Tigers, who selected the 177cm Turner with pick 60 in Tuesday's Australian Football League (AFL) Rookie Draft, have had their eye on the Demons 2011 premiership player for some time.
Richmond recruitment manager Francis Jackson said: ``We have been checking Gibson out for about 12 months.
``He didn't play much at South Australian league level this year but he has played great for his college, Sacred Heart, and during the under-18 carnival.''
Turner has spent the past two years at Sacred Heart College in Adelaide, a school which has produced AFL stars Matthew Pavlich (Fremantle), Chad Cornes (Port Adelaide, GWS Giants), Kane Cornes (Port Adelaide) and Andrew Mackie (Geelong).
Jackson said: ``We feel Gibson spending two years in boarding school has prepared him for life in the AFL, away from family and friends.''
The Tigers had no hesitation in selecting Turner, even though their last local draft choice, Troy Taylor, was delisted this year.
He said: ``Gibson is totally different to Troy. He will have the support network and has experienced life away before.''
Jackson said Turner will be a ``terrific fit'' at Punt Road.
He said: ``We picked Gibson up off the plane and we went straight to training.
``He wants to make the most of this opportunity.''
Richmond's link to Central Australia had no bearing on Turner's selection.
He said: ``We drafted GIbson because we think he will be an outstanding player for the Tigers in years to come.
``Gibson hailing from Alice Springs is just a bonus, but that will benefit our Outback Tigers program.''
Jackson said Turner has been earmarked as a small forward with a magnificent skill set.
He said: ``His quickness is a great attribute, especially with the amount of forward defensive pressure in the game these days.
``He also can take a contested mark. For someone to be able to do that at his height is special.''
Jackson said selecting Turner with pick 60 was an outstanding result for the Tigers.
He said: ``We knew Gibson had some interest from other clubs.
``He spent all of last week at the club and we got to know him well and for him to still be available when we had that pick was a great outcome.''
Turner will play next year for Coburg Tigers in the Victorian Football League (VFL), who are Richmond's affiliated club.
Coburg Football Club general manager and former AFL Central Australia boss Jake McCauley said: ``It is fantastic news for Gibson. I know him on a personal level from my days in Alice Springs and I think he will be perfect for us (Coburg) and Richmond.''
http://alicenow.com.au/sports/news-article/richmond-rapt
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
Bleks must all just look and act the same to racialists like you hey? Clones!
Pretty disgusted in you labling me a racist Owl, I have never been and never will be, so for that sorry, but go stuff yourself. My comments were aimed at the club, supporting and managing Aboriginal players better than they have in the past, not at the colour of their skin.
We as a club seem to have mismanaged more Aboriginal players than I know of, thats what I meant. Perhaps the club should look at the way they manage "these" players, thats how I was trying to categorise "them", the Tamblings (was he given all the councilling he could of been re...Buddy brain), the others, were they given all the help they could. Were elders flown down to talk with them and support them..etc....
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we need to do something left field and get these indigineous kids on the right track. Id be looking at enrolling him at melbourne grammer as a boarder and make sure he finishes his school and whilst there learn a thing or two about discipline. i think we've proven that taking delinquents straight into an elite sporting outfit simply doesnt work. Now Im not saying gibbo is a delinquent but i do understand he has been in some strife...straight to boarding school in his first 12 months and you know what, he might just realise his god given talents rather than peeing them up against the wall :shh
Whilst I agree he needs to be managed I dont agree "straight to boarding school" is the answer. Doing that could actuallly work in reverese.
He needs a family environment where he is taken in, treated as a family member and given an education..IMO
From what I hear is he has his head screwed on fairly tight :rollin :shh LMFAO at you guys guessing what he may or may not need :lol :lol
Well thats great then, we won't have a worry will we.....You can LYFAO all you want but gee our track record in this area is at about 0% success.....so wouldn't you think of managing people better moving forward???????
exactly, like our strike record of managing these fellas is what :shh....time to take some proactive steps in putting a lad in a place that he is ready to be an elite athlete...How about we thorw the book out on what used to be done and try something a little radical, like finishing school beyond 15
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Whoa :shh
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we need to do something left field and get these indigineous kids on the right track. Id be looking at enrolling him at melbourne grammer as a boarder and make sure he finishes his school and whilst there learn a thing or two about discipline. i think we've proven that taking delinquents straight into an elite sporting outfit simply doesnt work. Now Im not saying gibbo is a delinquent but i do understand he has been in some strife...straight to boarding school in his first 12 months and you know what, he might just realise his god given talents rather than peeing them up against the wall :shh
Labelling him a delinquent says a more about yourself than it does him.. The boy is giving it a go!!!! a bit of support can go a long way
http://www.insidefootballonline.com/news2.html
AFL NEWS
Territorian Turner making all the right moves
Gibson Turner is renowned for his moves on the football field but it was a move made two years ago that the lightning fast indigenous talent describes as the best of his career.
"I used to get into trouble with the police a bit so I moved in with my grandmother to stay out of trouble," he said.
"She's made me a better person and I owe her a lot because I wasn't going to school there for a while and if it wasn't for her I might have even been in jail instead of at this draft camp.
"I look back on it now as a really smart move."
While residing at Saint Teresa, an aboriginal community 140km east of Alice Springs, Turner began to turn his life around and by sheer chance got the break he was hoping for when a former scholar of Adelaide's prestigious Sacred Heart College offered his services tutoring students at Saint Teresa.
He tested Turner, along with three other students, who gained entry level requirements to attend Sacred Heart.
While apprehensive about making the move from a township of 300 to a city of one million, the opportunity was one Turner says has developed all facets of his life.
"It was difficult last year being my first away from home but although I was playing for Norwood I didn't play much for them because there was so much school footy to play," he said.
"But this year I just got used to it and it's been a whole lot better. I only get homesick once in while.
"I've grown up and matured a fair bit I reckon, both mentally and physically."
Despite not testing at the October draft camp because of an ankle injury, the buzz is high on the livewire forward.
The 18-year-old averaged two goals a game for Northern Territory at the national championships and is considered one of the draft's best small forwards.
The one-time wayward teenager is now very much right on track.
"When I go home the kids there now think I'm the big role model," he said.
"They all want to be like me which is pretty good. If some of them can follow me it would be great."
A West Coast fan who rates Aaron Davey as his favourite player, Turner says he is ready to go anywhere to pursue his AFL dream.
Having been away from home for the past two seasons, he is undaunted by the likelihood of moving interstate.
"I'm ready for it," he said.
how about para phrasing exactly what i did say rather than misrepresenting me...dont do it again :shh
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Bojangles, whenever someone starts a phrase with the "i'm not a ............ but" says to me they're actually excusing themselves before making the said statement.. Therefore i will come to this conclusion when you make the comment, "I'm not saying he's a delinquint but" Judging and grouping people together based on where they come from is what racism is.. Not calling you a racist but just something to think about..
From the last article released i think Richmond have planned this kids move for over 12 months and have learnt from past mistakes they've made.. This is what Rioli did as well
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we need to do something left field and get these indigineous kids on the right track. Id be looking at enrolling him at melbourne grammer as a boarder and make sure he finishes his school and whilst there learn a thing or two about discipline. i think we've proven that taking delinquents straight into an elite sporting outfit simply doesnt work. Now Im not saying gibbo is a delinquent but i do understand he has been in some strife...straight to boarding school in his first 12 months and you know what, he might just realise his god given talents rather than peeing them up against the wall :shh
Whilst I agree he needs to be managed I dont agree "straight to boarding school" is the answer. Doing that could actuallly work in reverese.
He needs a family environment where he is taken in, treated as a family member and given an education..IMO
From what I hear is he has his head screwed on fairly tight :rollin :shh LMFAO at you guys guessing what he may or may not need :lol :lol
Well thats great then, we won't have a worry will we.....You can LYFAO all you want but gee our track record in this area is at about 0% success.....so wouldn't you think of managing people better moving forward???????
exactly, like our strike record of managing these fellas is what :shh....time to take some proactive steps in putting a lad in a place that he is ready to be an elite athlete...How about we thorw the book out on what used to be done and try something a little radical, like finishing school beyond 15
Have you read any of the articles about him?
He just finished two years at sacred heart college in Adelaide.
maybe take a Bex, lie down and reload ?
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I actually just read that and feel somewhat vindicated as it would appear the RFC are more confident in his future as an AFL footballer as a result of last 2 years as a boarder :whistle
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if you had read the thread before sprouting off you would have known that.
:lol
vindicated...
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I actually just read that and feel somewhat vindicated as it would appear the RFC are more confident in his future as an AFL footballer as a result of last 2 years as a boarder :whistle
You're not from around here are you?
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
Bleks must all just look and act the same to racialists like you hey? Clones!
Pretty disgusted in you labling me a racist Owl, I have never been and never will be, so for that sorry, but go stuff yourself. My comments were aimed at the club, supporting and managing Aboriginal players better than they have in the past, not at the colour of their skin.
We as a club seem to have mismanaged more Aboriginal players than I know of, thats what I meant. Perhaps the club should look at the way they manage "these" players, thats how I was trying to categorise "them", the Tamblings (was he given all the councilling he could of been re...Buddy brain), the others, were they given all the help they could. Were elders flown down to talk with them and support them..etc....
Well WAT, it gets under my skin, pardon the pun, that this crap constantly gets brought up, the bloke is an individual, and his aboriginality is not a group designation for "issues". It gets old, it gets to me, I have some clan who are aboriginal so yes it does cut to the quick, just treat people on an individual basis. I want to see what this bloke can do and how he goes about it and he gets as much of a chance as any other bloke at the club. I called you a racialist not a racist, by the way. Its an older term, was used in Britain. If you start making assessments, judgements or drawing parallels between players based on race, it is by its very nature a racist act, positive or negative. Troy Taylor stuffed up and got the big 'A', I totally support the fact, he is history but has nothing to do with this new bloke. And no I won't stand by and let people talk about 'them' as if they are separate from the rest of us. I mean, who the stuff wants to get beaten and molested at boarding school and how the actual eff is that going to make you a better person? (except bojangles of course)
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
Bleks must all just look and act the same to racialists like you hey? Clones!
Pretty disgusted in you labling me a racist Owl, I have never been and never will be, so for that sorry, but go stuff yourself. My comments were aimed at the club, supporting and managing Aboriginal players better than they have in the past, not at the colour of their skin.
We as a club seem to have mismanaged more Aboriginal players than I know of, thats what I meant. Perhaps the club should look at the way they manage "these" players, thats how I was trying to categorise "them", the Tamblings (was he given all the councilling he could of been re...Buddy brain), the others, were they given all the help they could. Were elders flown down to talk with them and support them..etc....
Well WAT, it gets under my skin, pardon the pun, that this crap constantly gets brought up, the bloke is an individual, and his aboriginality is not a group designation for "issues". It gets old, it gets to me, I have some clan who are aboriginal so yes it does cut to the quick, just treat people on an individual basis. I want to see what this bloke can do and how he goes about it and he gets as much of a chance as any other bloke at the club. I called you a racialist not a racist, by the way. Its an older term, was used in Britain. If you start making assessments, judgements or drawing parallels between players based on race, it is by its very nature a racist act, positive or negative. Troy Taylor stuffed up and got the big 'A', I totally support the fact, he is history but has nothing to do with this new bloke. And no I won't stand by and let people talk about 'them' as if they are separate from the rest of us. I mean, who the stuff wants to get beaten and molested at boarding school and how the actual eff is that going to make you a better person? (except bojangles of course)
Agree with you Owl, I also know your clan relationships, you should know I have never been a racist and never will be mate. For Gods sake look where I have worked in the past and where I am now.
My comments were about managing Aboriginals better than the club does or at least has IMO in the past. IMO our club has the worst record for failure of Aboriginal players and its not good enough. I am trying to say that I hope the club appreciates this lads needs, should there be any, better thhan they have in the past. Or the put preventative measures in place to ensure he does not get home sick or want to leave the club.
Same as you mate!!
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WAT, just to even things out, maybe you should have added Archibald, Ednie, Sipthorp etc... plenty of players have not cut it at our club for a multitude of reasons like attitude, fitness, ability to take instruction and so on.
I don't think the reason why these players left was because the club did not understand their culture or background, it was more like they just weren't good enough to make it in the top grade. Tambling went to a club like the Crows who have a lot of success with indigenous players yet he is still proving to be an average player at best.
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WAT, just to even things out, maybe you should have added Archibald, Ednie, Sipthorp etc... plenty of players have not cut it at our club for a multitude of reasons like attitude, fitness, ability to take instruction and so on.
I don't think the reason why these players left was because the club did not understand their culture or background, it was more like they just weren't good enough to make it in the top grade. Tambling went to a club like the Crows who have a lot of success with indigenous players yet he is still proving to be an average player at best.
Thats fine Tiga, agree, look I just know that some of the Aboriginal people I have worked with must be understood and managed properly regarding cultural awareness to get the best out of them, as do many other people as well from other walks of life. But say we had an elder come to Melbourne, supported by the club, that lived with Taylor things may have been different.
Thats all I am saying, do we manage our culturally different people properly, hey that includes Houli and the new recruits.
Regarding our Aboriginal recruits, I dn't believe we have done. Maybe others don't agree and thats fine, but with our record something went wrong!
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WAT, just to even things out, maybe you should have added Archibald, Ednie, Sipthorp etc... plenty of players have not cut it at our club for a multitude of reasons like attitude, fitness, ability to take instruction and so on.
I don't think the reason why these players left was because the club did not understand their culture or background, it was more like they just weren't good enough to make it in the top grade. Tambling went to a club like the Crows who have a lot of success with indigenous players yet he is still proving to be an average player at best.
Thats fine Tiga, agree, look I just know that some of the Aboriginal people I have worked with must be understood and managed properly regarding cultural awareness to get the best out of them, as do many other people as well from other walks of life. But say we had an elder come to Melbourne, supported by the club, that lived with Taylor things may have been different.
Thats all I am saying, do we manage our culturally different people properly, hey that includes Houli and the new recruits.
Regarding our Aboriginal recruits, I dn't believe we have done. Maybe others don't agree and thats fine, but with our record something went wrong!
With Taylor it was nothing but an attitude problem. Back home He would have had elders all around him and he still got into trouble. The club supported him through thick and thin but in the end it was his very poor attitude that sent him packing.
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Why arent people happy with this selection. Over the years I have been one of the darkest of the darkside brigade on various forums going back years. We had a good PSD and Rookie Draft this year. Gibson is the exact type of player you take in the Rookie if you can. He has some exquisite skills from what we can see but he didnt go in the rookie draft for nothing, for that shows he has plenty of work ahead of him, but if he can get it right, work hard and do all the right things we just may end up with a fantastic player IMHO.
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He does have some terrific skills, he looks very promising. Bit light atm, he has some growth in him, has time on his side, time to settle in. Could be a real gem if he makes it work for himself, skills are definately there.
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He will have my 100% support but gee I think the comments he makes remind me of Tambling (did nothing worng just no good), Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan........
Bleks must all just look and act the same to racialists like you hey? Clones!
Pretty disgusted in you labling me a racist Owl, I have never been and never will be, so for that sorry, but go stuff yourself. My comments were aimed at the club, supporting and managing Aboriginal players better than they have in the past, not at the colour of their skin.
We as a club seem to have mismanaged more Aboriginal players than I know of, thats what I meant. Perhaps the club should look at the way they manage "these" players, thats how I was trying to categorise "them", the Tamblings (was he given all the councilling he could of been re...Buddy brain), the others, were they given all the help they could. Were elders flown down to talk with them and support them..etc....
Well WAT, it gets under my skin, pardon the pun, that this crap constantly gets brought up, the bloke is an individual, and his aboriginality is not a group designation for "issues". It gets old, it gets to me, I have some clan who are aboriginal so yes it does cut to the quick, just treat people on an individual basis. I want to see what this bloke can do and how he goes about it and he gets as much of a chance as any other bloke at the club. I called you a racialist not a racist, by the way. Its an older term, was used in Britain. If you start making assessments, judgements or drawing parallels between players based on race, it is by its very nature a racist act, positive or negative. Troy Taylor stuffed up and got the big 'A', I totally support the fact, he is history but has nothing to do with this new bloke. And no I won't stand by and let people talk about 'them' as if they are separate from the rest of us. I mean, who the stuff wants to get beaten and molested at boarding school and how the actual eff is that going to make you a better person? (except bojangles of course)
Agree with you Owl, I also know your clan relationships, you should know I have never been a racist and never will be mate. For Gods sake look where I have worked in the past and where I am now.
My comments were about managing Aboriginals better than the club does or at least has IMO in the past. IMO our club has the worst record for failure of Aboriginal players and its not good enough. I am trying to say that I hope the club appreciates this lads needs, should there be any, better thhan they have in the past. Or the put preventative measures in place to ensure he does not get home sick or want to leave the club.
Same as you mate!!
my sentiments as well WAT, our record with young indigineous players has been deplorable, clearly the cultural challenges in shifting to major capital cities such as Melbourne combined with an elite sport environment have been overwhelming to the point that the likes of Marty mcgrath, relton roberts, Troy taylor, carl peterson and alroy gilligan all suffered a fairly inglorious exit from league ranks. suffice to say a completely different approach is warranted next time around
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Perfect type to take as a rookie. We're wising up!
Hope he works out.
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my sentiments as well WAT, our record with young indigineous players has been deplorable, clearly the cultural challenges in shifting to major capital cities such as Melbourne combined with an elite sport environment have been overwhelming to the point that the likes of Marty mcgrath, relton roberts, Troy taylor, carl peterson and alroy gilligan all suffered a fairly inglorious exit from league ranks. suffice to say a completely different approach is warranted next time around
If the kids can't handle it mentally then how is that the clubs fault? The club has protocols to try and help these kids settle in as best they can but at the end of the day if they can't handle the change mentally then what more can we do??
At the end of the day every club has the same issues with these kids, it's not just us!
I think the club has really done there homework with Gibbo and the kid defiantly comes to the club in a far better state of mind then any of the above mentioned, to lump the kid in the that lot of mentally weak hacks before he's been at the club for 5 minutes is a disgrace and shows the clear lack of intelligence some of you folk have >:( >:(
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my sentiments as well WAT, our record with young indigineous players has been deplorable, clearly the cultural challenges in shifting to major capital cities such as Melbourne combined with an elite sport environment have been overwhelming to the point that the likes of Marty mcgrath, relton roberts, Troy taylor, carl peterson and alroy gilligan all suffered a fairly inglorious exit from league ranks. suffice to say a completely different approach is warranted next time around
If the kids can't handle it mentally then how is that the clubs fault? The club has protocols to try and help these kids settle in as best they can but at the end of the day if they can't handle the change mentally then what more can we do??
At the end of the day every club has the same issues with these kids, it's not just us!
I think the club has really done there homework with Gibbo and the kid defiantly comes to the club in a far better state of mind then any of the above mentioned, to lump the kid in the that lot of mentally weak hacks before he's been at the club for 5 minutes is a disgrace and shows the clear lack of intelligence some of you folk have >:( >:(
some clubs do it better than others - clearly we're a club that for some reason or another has really struggled with indigenous lads over a period of time
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Because we picked the wrong kids. Troy Taylor would have been the same wherever he went...except Carlton probably would have got him the house he was looking for
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my sentiments as well WAT, our record with young indigineous players has been deplorable, clearly the cultural challenges in shifting to major capital cities such as Melbourne combined with an elite sport environment have been overwhelming to the point that the likes of Marty mcgrath, relton roberts, Troy taylor, carl peterson and alroy gilligan all suffered a fairly inglorious exit from league ranks. suffice to say a completely different approach is warranted next time around
If the kids can't handle it mentally then how is that the clubs fault? The club has protocols to try and help these kids settle in as best they can but at the end of the day if they can't handle the change mentally then what more can we do??
At the end of the day every club has the same issues with these kids, it's not just us!
I think the club has really done there homework with Gibbo and the kid defiantly comes to the club in a far better state of mind then any of the above mentioned, to lump the kid in the that lot of mentally weak hacks before he's been at the club for 5 minutes is a disgrace and shows the clear lack of intelligence some of you folk have >:( >:(
youve missed the point some, rather than blaming the club I was suggesting our record in developing these lads into seasoned AFL footballers is NO good to say the least...clearly a different approach is justified otherwise forget it...heres hoping young gibbo is in a good place and is ready to lauch a career as an elite professional sportsman...GOOD LUCK to him, he looks to be a talent
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Because we picked the wrong kids. Troy Taylor would have been the same wherever he went...except Carlton probably would have got him the house he was looking for
Exactly!! :clapping Its been more of a recruiting problem than a player management one.
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rookie draft picks by definition are a long shot to make it.
Indigenous boys from the alice are an even bigger long shot.
The fact that turner has lived as a boarder while studying in adelaide gives me some promise as far as that was young cyrils path to the afl( he boarded at scotch ).
Would be massive if he makes it as it addresses a critical need
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The problem has mostly been homesickness and culture shock.
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Fair dinkum, before people group all the aboriginals together perhaps you should read Owls post.
Talking about bringing down an elder for troy. Hmm. that is eaxactly what owl was talking about. Troy Taylor did not grow up on in an aboriginal community. He grew up in darwin, his mother being a school teacher. He does not have any cultural disadvantage or any crap that indigenous people from remote communities have. He is just like any other person who does not make the most of his opportunities, black or white. He had a strong support network including mentoring from his uncle, Ernie Dingo and his sister moved down to Melborne to help him out. He simply isn't cut of the right cloth to become an elete sportsman.
The only thing these blokes mentioned have in common is they are not white. They are all individuals from different backgrounds and did not make the grade for differing reasons.
how about judging people on what they do rather that pre judging based on the color of their skin?
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how about judging people on what they do rather that pre judging based on the color of their skin?
It does seem like such a quite simple concept.
And given that some of our posters are quite simple then you would think they would understand.
:lol
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Fair dinkum, before people group all the aboriginals together perhaps you should read Owls post.
Talking about bringing down an elder for troy. Hmm. that is eaxactly what owl was talking about. Troy Taylor did not grow up on in an aboriginal community. He grew up in darwin, his mother being a school teacher. He does not have any cultural disadvantage or any crap that indigenous people from remote communities have. He is just like any other person who does not make the most of his opportunities, black or white. He had a strong support network including mentoring from his uncle, Ernie Dingo and his sister moved down to Melborne to help him out. He simply isn't cut of the right cloth to become an elete sportsman.
The only thing these blokes mentioned have in common is they are not white. They are all individuals from different backgrounds and did not make the grade for differing reasons.
how about judging people on what they do rather that pre judging based on the color of their skin?
My posts are player management based......working in the Aboriginal communities for so long I do understand their culture, I have also had professional training in cultural awareness by senior Aboriginals with the WA community.
It does not matter if an Aboriginal is raised from birth by a white person, they will always have their heratige and while being proud of that as they should many will return in someway back to their heratige for guidence and support. Troy may of needed that more than others and I am unsure how much the club supported him there, not just by letting him go home. I had/have two cousins that I grew up with, both full blooded Aboriginals (adopted) from local blood groups in WA. By the age of 16 years old they had tracked down their bloodlines and returned to their comminites, this is after being brought up by the best parents you could meet. The parents understood fully and a crediit to them but there is an example of cultural difference. Whether you want to hear it or not cultures are different and some people within their cultures require and to some degree expect their needs to be met and managed accordingly.
I have all the faith in the world in this kid as I did with Roberts, Gilligan, Taylor etc.... I want to see him star. I dont care if he is red, green, pink, blue etc.....Just as long as the CLUB supports his needs as at some point in time due to his culture he may need the extra support....and the club must manage that better than they have done IMO...thats all I am saying.
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I don't get looking at a person and seeing a colour.
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Fair dinkum, before people group all the aboriginals together perhaps you should read Owls post.
Talking about bringing down an elder for troy. Hmm. that is eaxactly what owl was talking about. Troy Taylor did not grow up on in an aboriginal community. He grew up in darwin, his mother being a school teacher. He does not have any cultural disadvantage or any crap that indigenous people from remote communities have. He is just like any other person who does not make the most of his opportunities, black or white. He had a strong support network including mentoring from his uncle, Ernie Dingo and his sister moved down to Melborne to help him out. He simply isn't cut of the right cloth to become an elete sportsman.
The only thing these blokes mentioned have in common is they are not white. They are all individuals from different backgrounds and did not make the grade for differing reasons.
how about judging people on what they do rather that pre judging based on the color of their skin?
My posts are player management based......working in the Aboriginal communities for so long I do understand their culture, I have also had professional training in cultural awareness by senior Aboriginals with the WA community.
It does not matter if an Aboriginal is raised from birth by a white person, they will always have their heratige and while being proud of that as they should many will return in someway back to their heratige for guidence and support. Troy may of needed that more than others and I am unsure how much the club supported him there, not just by letting him go home. I had/have two cousins that I grew up with, both full blooded Aboriginals (adopted) from local blood groups in WA. By the age of 16 years old they had tracked down their bloodlines and returned to their comminites, this is after being brought up by the best parents you could meet. The parents understood fully and a crediit to them but there is an example of cultural difference. Whether you want to hear it or not cultures are different and some people within their cultures require and to some degree expect their needs to be met and managed accordingly.
I have all the faith in the world in this kid as I did with Roberts, Gilligan, Taylor etc.... I want to see him star. I dont care if he is red, green, pink, blue etc.....Just as long as the CLUB supports his needs as at some point in time due to his culture he may need the extra support....and the club must manage that better than they have done IMO...thats all I am saying.
How do people see the success of people like Maurice Rioli, Michael Long, Gavin Wanganeen? How come these players and others could handle it and others seem to want to find any excuse under the sun?
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I don't get looking at a person and seeing a colour.
No! But do you see a culture that should be understood and respected and managed accordingly where applicable........BTW not that you have no respect smokey so don't take what I said out of context. :thumbsup
Edited to correct quote
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Fair dinkum, before people group all the aboriginals together perhaps you should read Owls post.
Talking about bringing down an elder for troy. Hmm. that is eaxactly what owl was talking about. Troy Taylor did not grow up on in an aboriginal community. He grew up in darwin, his mother being a school teacher. He does not have any cultural disadvantage or any crap that indigenous people from remote communities have. He is just like any other person who does not make the most of his opportunities, black or white. He had a strong support network including mentoring from his uncle, Ernie Dingo and his sister moved down to Melborne to help him out. He simply isn't cut of the right cloth to become an elete sportsman.
The only thing these blokes mentioned have in common is they are not white. They are all individuals from different backgrounds and did not make the grade for differing reasons.
how about judging people on what they do rather that pre judging based on the color of their skin?
My posts are player management based......working in the Aboriginal communities for so long I do understand their culture, I have also had professional training in cultural awareness by senior Aboriginals with the WA community.
It does not matter if an Aboriginal is raised from birth by a white person, they will always have their heratige and while being proud of that as they should many will return in someway back to their heratige for guidence and support. Troy may of needed that more than others and I am unsure how much the club supported him there, not just by letting him go home. I had/have two cousins that I grew up with, both full blooded Aboriginals (adopted) from local blood groups in WA. By the age of 16 years old they had tracked down their bloodlines and returned to their comminites, this is after being brought up by the best parents you could meet. The parents understood fully and a crediit to them but there is an example of cultural difference. Whether you want to hear it or not cultures are different and some people within their cultures require and to some degree expect their needs to be met and managed accordingly.
I have all the faith in the world in this kid as I did with Roberts, Gilligan, Taylor etc.... I want to see him star. I dont care if he is red, green, pink, blue etc.....Just as long as the CLUB supports his needs as at some point in time due to his culture he may need the extra support....and the club must manage that better than they have done IMO...thats all I am saying.
How do people see the success of people like Maurice Rioli, Michael Long, Gavin Wanganeen? How come these players and others could handle it and others seem to want to find any excuse under the sun?
Completely different era and not even remotely compatable to the pressure of life as a footballer now IMO.
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I don't get looking at a person and seeing a colour.
No! But do you see a culture that should be understood and respected and managed accordingly where applicable........BTW not that you have no respect smokey so don't take what I said out of context. :thumbsup
I think you have done that WAT, not me. I wasn't saying that you personally saw a colour at all, the opposite in fact because I know from many previous posts how you feel on this subject. By "seeing a colour" I mean some people don't treat others as individual people but as a race and because of that they don't apply the same standards to things as they do for others. Does that make sense? I abhor those who, in all seriousness, make any type of judgement on another person because of their ethnic origins. I agree with you that a culture should be understood, respected and managed accordingly but that should apply to all cultures, my own white Anglo-Saxon included. The way the club has embraced Bachar Houli and his culture is a good example of how every single player should expect to be treated by the club, and indeed, we should all have that expectation in life. Sorry if this reply is a bit rambling but its a favourite soapbox item of mine - I hate racism in any form. :thumbsup
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Fair dinkum, before people group all the aboriginals together perhaps you should read Owls post.
Talking about bringing down an elder for troy. Hmm. that is eaxactly what owl was talking about. Troy Taylor did not grow up on in an aboriginal community. He grew up in darwin, his mother being a school teacher. He does not have any cultural disadvantage or any crap that indigenous people from remote communities have. He is just like any other person who does not make the most of his opportunities, black or white. He had a strong support network including mentoring from his uncle, Ernie Dingo and his sister moved down to Melborne to help him out. He simply isn't cut of the right cloth to become an elete sportsman.
The only thing these blokes mentioned have in common is they are not white. They are all individuals from different backgrounds and did not make the grade for differing reasons.
how about judging people on what they do rather that pre judging based on the color of their skin?
My posts are player management based......working in the Aboriginal communities for so long I do understand their culture, I have also had professional training in cultural awareness by senior Aboriginals with the WA community.
It does not matter if an Aboriginal is raised from birth by a white person, they will always have their heratige and while being proud of that as they should many will return in someway back to their heratige for guidence and support. Troy may of needed that more than others and I am unsure how much the club supported him there, not just by letting him go home. I had/have two cousins that I grew up with, both full blooded Aboriginals (adopted) from local blood groups in WA. By the age of 16 years old they had tracked down their bloodlines and returned to their comminites, this is after being brought up by the best parents you could meet. The parents understood fully and a crediit to them but there is an example of cultural difference. Whether you want to hear it or not cultures are different and some people within their cultures require and to some degree expect their needs to be met and managed accordingly.
I have all the faith in the world in this kid as I did with Roberts, Gilligan, Taylor etc.... I want to see him star. I dont care if he is red, green, pink, blue etc.....Just as long as the CLUB supports his needs as at some point in time due to his culture he may need the extra support....and the club must manage that better than they have done IMO...thats all I am saying.
How do people see the success of people like Maurice Rioli, Michael Long, Gavin Wanganeen? How come these players and others could handle it and others seem to want to find any excuse under the sun?
its a good question and simply answered, AFL football is now far more professional than what it was in the 80/90s combine that with the transparency of the game in 2011 and clubs just cant get away with sweeping "things" under the carpet like they used to. Now im not saying any of these guys wouldnt have made it today, simply the bar has been raised and more are failing to make it
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Because we picked the wrong kids. Troy Taylor would have been the same wherever he went...except Carlton probably would have got him the house he was looking for
Exactly!! :clapping Its been more of a recruiting problem than a player management one.
I actually think it's been both
Yes Taylor was a wasted pick because here was a kid with a shocking attitude who it seems clearly believed he didn't need to work hard and that being an AFL footballer was a "right" rather than an opportunity where your personal success is determined by how hard you are prepared to work
Then I see someone like Relton Roberts who had spent the majority of his life living in an outback community where family is the absolute most important thing, where English was his second language etc and then he is suddenly in Melb and outside his first few months here he was expected to simply settle into life here without his family (remember he had a young son & wife that did not come to Melb with him). Sorry but it isn't that simply and IMHO that's where the club has got it wrong in the past. There are cultural difference that need to be managed.
Look at Liam Jurrah and Melb - they worked very hard in trying to make the transition as easy as possible. Melb have said one of the the first things they needed to do was understand the culture he had come. I wonder if the RFC have really understood what that means
Back to Roberts granted he had played footy in Darwin but I challenge anyone to convince me that there isn't a massive difference between living on Darwin and living in Melb.
Call me naive or even stupid but I went to Darwin for the first time this year and you want to know what was the first thing I noticed? The number of indigenous people compared to down here in Melb
I actually think that thanks to the Indigenous Institute the Club now has a far better understanding of how to manage this than they have in the past.
Now before everyone starts jumping up and down about using Relton roberts as example I would argue the same thing happened with Alroy Gilligan
As I said IMHO opinion it's been both - poor recruiting decisions (Taylor) and poor management (Roberts) - club needs to be able to get the balance right we haven't in the past we need to in the future
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If Gibson does well then the policy of having some of these kids do a couple of years at a boarding school ie. in Melbourne like Rioli or Adelaide like Turner will really take off. I hope Gibson does well and I have high hopes that even though he was pick 60 in the rookie draft that he can become a good player.
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If Gibson does well then the policy of having some of these kids do a couple of years at a boarding school ie. in Melbourne like Rioli or Adelaide like Turner will really take off. I hope Gibson does well and I have high hopes that even though he was pick 60 in the rookie draft that he can become a good player.
I actually agree with your orginal sentiments from early in this thread Flagman and that is I think Gibson is a good selection.
Saw him briefly on Saturday during my wasted visit to the Tiger Store - good size height wise needs to as the muscle but most mid size players do when they are drafted
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Just on Relton WP..
He had spent time in county vic playing footy. not quite the same as Melbourne, but probably seen a stepping stone from the clubs point of view.
I'm pretty sure his wife and kid did come down and it was her that couldnt handle the transition and when she went home with the kid, that was basically all she wrote.
I agree with the flagman. If you think about it makes sense to bring people from remote communities down early so they can make the transition without the pressure of the AFL environment. Being able to put kids from remote communities on scholarships or such would be a good idea.
In saying that there are drawbacks, such as many not being up to the required level of education. I think the article about gibson said that 3 kids tested from his community were at an education level that allowed them to attend the boarding school.
I don't think many people appreciate what this says about those individuals and their ability to overcome adversity.
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I'm pretty sure his wife and kid did come down and it was her that couldnt handle the transition and when she went home with the kid, that was basically all she wrote.
Not exactly how it happened al.... from what i"ve been told by someone who knows it was alot more complicated than that but it really doens't matter now
I don't think many people appreciate what this says about those individuals and their ability to overcome adversity.
that's true but I still think everyone case is different
And I still believe the Club hasnt managed certain cases very well indeed
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Turner is pick 60 in the rookie draft. Wherever he came from or whatever his background, the odds of him making it are slim as they are for all rookies. Wasn't there an article last week in the papers stating only a small proportion (20%?) of rookies play an AFL game or so many? The strike rate ain't good despite all the stats and analysis club recruiting departments do these days.
On Turner himself he appears to have the knack of knowing where the goals are but the question marks for me at AFL level are his size (177cm, 69kg) and whether he has the tank to push into the midfield even for just spells. Specialised forward pockets are a dying breed in modern footy and even the 'best' like Milne and Davis flop in finals when there's less time and space and the footy is far more contested.
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Anyone tell me why he doesn't train?
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Anyone tell me why he doesn't train?
Turner was in the rehab group at yesterday's training session.
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Would that be from L-R kel moore, Turner, Griffs and Astbury all in rehab still??
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Would that be from L-R kel moore, Turner, Griffs and Astbury all in rehab still??
Can't confirm if i saw Griff at all that day or not but that would be Lids in that group
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Thought it looked too short for Griff. He's taller than Astbury but the guy in the photo wasn't.
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Griffiths trained with the main group going by the training pics...
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Probably wishes he didn't going by Tucky's elbow! :help
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Turner an outback Tiger hit
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Wed 29 Feb, 2012
Richmond’s latest trip to Central Australia, as part of its Outback Tigers program, was extra special for one of its new rookie-list players, Gibson Turner.
The 18-year-old, who was taken by the Tigers at pick 60 overall in the AFL’s 2012 rookie draft, is a product of Alice Springs, and he was delighted to return to his old home town last week, with new teammates Alex Rance and Ty Vickery, plus the Club’s development coach, Greg Mellor, community programs manager, Michael Lacy, and director of the Korin Gamadji Institute at the ME Bank Centre, Punt Road Oval, Belinda Duarte.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/129740/default.aspx
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The wider world
Matt Murnane
March 11, 2012
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Home base: Gibson Turner with children from the Harts Range Community Primary School on a recent trip to the Northern Territory with Richmond teammates. Photo: Joe Armao
SITTING at Alice Springs Airport, Richmond rookie Gibson Turner shifts in his seat, scratches the back of his head and takes a second to pause before giving his answer.
The question put to him is a long the lines of "what would you be doing, if you weren't playing footy at Richmond".
This is the sobering reality for an indigenous teenager growing up 80 kilometres out of Alice Springs.
"If I wasn't playing footy, I would have been drinking or doing drugs," he admits. "As I was growing up, I got into heaps of trouble. I used to hang around with the wrong group.
"I just used to do the things with the other boys. I never used to be a leader, I used to tag a long with the group."
The events of the past few days surrounding Melbourne's Liam Jurrah have brought to light what in many ways, is a different world, and one that only its inhabitants can fully understand.
Turner, as one of Jurrah's many cousins, knows of that world — although he is in no way involved in the family feud that has turned Jurrah's life upside down and again focused the football world's attention on the difficulties and cultural differences indigenous recruits face.
Turner is yet to play a game for Richmond and may never in the future, but already his story is worth telling.
It is one of achievement, the significance of which most of his teammates will never appreciate. They can't.
It is the direction his life so easily could have taken, that makes the path he is on now so admirable. But Turner had to work hard to keep it on course. He had to buck the trend; it was never going to be handed to him.
The story starts with his grandmother, who took Turner — then in his early teens — back to his hometown of Santa Teresa and straightened him out.
"She put me into school and for the first time I really wanted to focus on school, I never used to rock up," he said.
"I went to school every day and that's when things started to come my way."
Selection in the Northern Territory Thunder under-18 team was the first step. Turner had missed the cut for the under-16 year squad years earlier, despite the coach telling him he was good enough.
His attendance at school held him back.
But that was no longer an issue when a teacher from an Adelaide College came to visit him with a position in a scholarship program.
This time, Turner made the cut. He was one of six boys to uproot himself from his family for the privilege of going to boarding school and playing high-level schoolboy footy.
One by one, though, his mates left. The debilitating home sickness that gets to so many aboriginal prodigies sucked them back to Alice Springs.
It should have got to Turner, but it didn't.
Much like it was as a young teenager bunking off school and running with the wrong crowd, the temptation to follow his mates and decide Adelaide was all too hard was strong.
Stronger than even he can express.
But Turner dug in. And we already know where he might be now, if he didn't.
"By the end I was the only one there . . . that made it really hard for me," he said. "But all I wanted to do was chase my dream to play AFL. That's all I was thinking about.
"And that's what I'm doing now, chasing my dream."
The 18-year-old chased his dream all the way to the AFL draft camp, but even there he still considered it unreachable.
"I went to draft camp and I went to all my interviews but I missed the Richmond interview because I slept in," he said. "So I thought I would never have any chance of going to Richmond."
But the Tigers saw something in him.
"After the draft camp, Richmond flew me over to the club and interviewed me there and my interview went really well," he said.
Taken at pick 60 in this year's rookie draft, the zippy small forward is now living his dream, even if it's not quite what we expected.
Game plans, dietary requirements, team structures and line meetings is a lot for a youngster like Turner to get his head around, and far removed from the "see ball, get ball" approach to footy he grew up with.
How he came to unwittingly find himself at the door step of his coach's house in Melbourne by sheer fluke, is an insight into the adjustment Turner's life is about to make. He hadn't been in Melbourne long before he found himself with a day off and a chance to catch up with cousin Jurrah.
The pair arranged to meet at a train station in Bentleigh. But a mix-up left Turner all alone, for the first time, in the big city.
"I thought to myself, damn, what am I going to do now? So I just went for a walk down the street," Turner said.
A little while later, another indigenous rookie — Hawthorn's Amos Frank — spotted Turner as he and another Hawks official drove by.
"They pulled over and they were like ‘what are you doing?' and I was like ‘nothing, I'm just going for a walk," Turner said.
Frank then asked what he thought was an obvious question considering their current location: Had Turner just finished visiting Tigers coach Damien Hardwick?
"I said ‘nah, I don't even know where he is'," Turner responded.
"And then they were like, ‘you're standing out the front of his house, man'. I was like ‘really? Far out'. I got into a big shock.
"Then when they took me into Dimma's house he was like ‘what are you doing here?" And I was like ‘I don't know, I just got lost out the front of your house'.
"It was crazy. He had a good laugh."
But Turner is adjusting to this wider world. In a pure football sense, the raw talent is there. And so is the pedigree.
Aside from the connection with Jurrah, he is also a cousin of North Melbourne livewire Matt Campbell and is close friends with Hawthorn excitement machine Cyril Rioli.
If he turns out half as good as Rioli, Tigers fans will be overjoyed.
But all that is unlikely to happen this year, despite the similarities he shares with his good mate.
A groin injury has prevented Turner from testing himself in the NAB Cup so far, and when he does play this year, it will be mostly for Coburg in the VFL.
In the interim, his first season will be about making the adjustment — learning the game plan, gaining weight and, most importantly, fitting in at Punt Road. In that respect, Turner is excelling, the degree to which has surprised everyone at Richmond.
Anyone who has spent time with Turner knows exactly what the Tigers see in him. There is something infectiously likeable about his personality.
"Gibbo", as he is known, has already formed a close bond with Alex Rance, one of the Tigers key men, and is well liked by the other senior players.
"They say it can be hard for the first-year players to settle in and get involved with the older guys at clubs," he said. "But I'm so lucky that I've fitted in really well. I'm still in shock with how much they've opened up to me."
Rance, Gibson and emerging key forward Ty Vickery traveled to Alice Springs recently as part of the club's "Outback Tigers" community initiative, which involved the players visiting some of the most remote schools in central Australia.
Back in his hometown, Turner was like a rock star, and instantly more recognisable than his bigger-name teammates.
Decked out in official black-and-yellow apparel, the kids just wanted to be near him: to talk to him, to touch him.
By making it on to an AFL list, he has achieved something many of those kids can only dream of.
Yet even if Turner never plays an AFL game, his undertaking with Richmond will still give him an opportunity to accomplish something else, perhaps less desirable to the youngsters who idolize him, yet even more important.
At nearly all of the schools the Tigers visited, the percentage of the students that will go on to complete Year 12 is zero – not two per cent or one per cent, absolute zero.
Turner, meanwhile, will attempt to complete his VCE studies through a program at RMIT University this year.
"There's not much indigenous boys that get the opportunity to finish school. I'm one of the lucky ones," he said.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-wider-world-20120310-1uroj.html#ixzz1ojWexDFo
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Good, insightful article
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Very high hopes for Gibson. Has stacks of potential andwith abit of luck and hard work could be a very very good player in time.
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Sounds like a genuinely nice fella. :thumbsup Hope he works hard and makes it.
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Met him at Family day. A genuinely nice guy who seems to have his head screwed on the right way! Kudos to the RFC for giving him a chance to establish himself!
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Hope gibbo knuckles down and makes the most of his opportunity, looks to be a real talent :thumbsup
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Gee, there are a lot of similarities in his story to that of Troy Taylor. I hope with all my heart that he has the courage and stamina to stay and give his dream the best chance of success. Good luck to him.
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yeah, but theres some important differences too smokey.
Troy's mother moved him away from those who will drag him down after he got in trouble in an attempte to keep him on the right track.
Gibson was given an opportunity which he took and despite his 5 mates from home all returning home, he fought through the homesickness and loneliness to keep achieving.
before knob heads posted direct quotes from facebook pages i kept an eye on what troy was doing. he often spoke of being bored, and wanting to get back up to darwin, (where all his troubles ignited) . you could tell he was lonely.
gibson has already beat that demon. I think the fact that his education was of a standard that saw him gain a scolarship speaks volumes about him as a person, considering the environment he grew up in.
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Hopefully those differences will be what makes the difference Al. :pray
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yeah, my suspicion is the only thing stopping him will be if he is actually good enough.
time will tell.
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We have King, Nahas and Maric.A who can play small forward roles for now that means Gibson has a bit of time to develop and become the player we hope he can be.
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We have King, Nahas and Maric.A who can play small forward roles for now that means Gibson has a bit of time to develop and become the player we hope he can be.
In all seriousness you don't know what an important point you make in this post Flagman.
For far too long we've played kids when they were not and by extension not given kids who need time to develop TIME
Great post Flags :clapping
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We have King, Nahas and Maric.A who can play small forward roles for now that means Gibson has a bit of time to develop and become the player we hope he can be.
In all seriousness you don't want an important point you make in this post Flagman.
For far too long we've played kids when they were not and by extension not given kids who need time to develop TIME
Great post Flags :clapping
I might be half drunk but am I the only one who read this first go and said "the stuff?"
had a few more cracks at it and its making more sense now. carry on, back on topic ppl :clapping :lol
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oops my poor typing
all fixed now ;D
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Aw gee :lol
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:lol
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We have King, Nahas and Maric.A who can play small forward roles for now that means Gibson has a bit of time to develop and become the player we hope he can be.
In all seriousness you don't know what an important point you make in this post Flagman.
For far too long we've played kids when they were not and by extension not given kids who need time to develop TIME
Great post Flags :clapping
:lol
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Also spent some time chatting to him today and have to agree. Nice fella, intelligent enough and very different to Troy Taylor.
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Also spent some time chatting to him today and have to agree. Nice fella, intelligent enough and very different to Troy Taylor.
wasnt asking for a down payment for a house.
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wasnt asking for a down payment for a house.
Really, really, really getting stale.
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No, it's not. Troy "mummy they didn't buy me a house" Taylor deserves all the poo that gets slung at him. aww
average lad.
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No, it's not. Troy "mummy they didn't buy me a house" Taylor deserves all the poo that gets slung at him. aww
Contrary to what you have posted, Taylor never said the club should BUY him a house.
You, like the previous post, seem to be taking the following quote from his mother about wanting a house and expanding it to say he wanted the club to buy him a house.
Taylor's mother, Tania Dudgeon, "I tried to have a talk to him but he was just saying, 'I'm not going back Mum, they don't do what they're supposed to do for me."
'I want a house ... they haven't helped me and how many times do I have to ask them?' "
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmonds-troy-taylor-unlikely-to-return-to-melbourne/story-e6frf9jf-1226042463557
So unless you have other evidence for "mummy they didn't buy me a house" that would make your statement incorrect or .....yes... a LIE.
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No, my old man has been living in NT for a few years now and he knows Troy's brother through a football club. Troy wanted Richmond to buy him a house according to his brother.
K, guy. ;D
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Either way, that conversation doesnt look great. If he was too homesick or unfocused to ditch the club then so be it. But he was clearly looking looking for reasons to blame the club for his lack of commitment.
I think his actions past and present speak volumes about his character. I'l leave it at that.
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He was making excuses for not wanting to meet his obligations, simple. It is called blame shifting. He didn't have the will to tough it out and took the easy option of having a goodtime now, and will pay for it with regret later.
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Nothing to do with Turner or Taylor but what was Martin Flanagan going on about in his article today...
The argument can be summarised simply. In 2012, the face of the game is an indigenous player, Hawthorn's Buddy Franklin. Richmond passed him up in the draft because they thought he was trouble.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/act-now-on-footballs-changing-landscape-20120312-1uwgo.html#ixzz1p022m2nM
Does he realise we still drafted an indigenous player (Tambling) instead of Franklin! :huh
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What are you on about ;D
if we passed up Buddy cuz we thought he was trouble it doesn't mean we thought all indigenous were trouble ;D
edit: nyeah. carry on :gotigers
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What are you on about ;D
if we passed up Buddy cuz we thought he was trouble it doesn't mean we thought all indigenous were trouble ;D
edit: nyeah. carry on :gotigers
I'm not disagreeing with that Davey. But we didn't even pass up on Buddy because we thought as an individual he was a troubled indigenous player as it reads in Flanagan's story. Franklin's race never came into it. Just like the following year we overlooked Mitch Clark for JON or back in 1999 missing out on Pavlich for Fiora. Whether a young footballer was indigenous or not was irrelevant. Simply our recruiting just plain sucked :-[ due to poor judgement by those in charge of recruiting back then and virtually non-existent recruiting resources.