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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 16, 2017, 10:24:46 PM
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Fire away .....
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Out:Elton, Menadue , Prestia
In: Soldo, Lennon, Miles
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Surely Miles has to come in
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Out:Elton, Menadue , Prestia
In: Soldo, Lennon, Miles
LOL Prestia. He was in our top 6 today easily.
It will be Elton out, Griffiths in. Whether Lennon comes back for
Menadue is a bit up in the air because giving Connor just one game is a little unfair.
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Menadue 0 tackles 4 pressure acts. He might be able to get away with that soft footy at vfl but it's just not good enough standard for AFL. He should go back to vfl and work on that.
Miles has to play next week.
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Out:Elton, Menadue , Prestia
In: Soldo, Lennon, Miles
LOL Prestia. He was in our top 6 today easily.
It will be Elton out, Griffiths in. Whether Lennon comes back for
Menadue is a bit up in the air because giving Connor just one game is a little unfair.
Top 6 in giving the ball back to the opposition? Needs a rest.
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Out:Elton, Menadue , Prestia
In: Soldo, Lennon, Miles
LOL Prestia. He was in our top 6 today easily.
It will be Elton out, Griffiths in. Whether Lennon comes back for
Menadue is a bit up in the air because giving Connor just one game is a little unfair.
Top 6 in giving the ball back to the opposition? Needs a rest.
He won't be rested against Melbourne unless his knee gives him grief...
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Of course he won't be...Soldo won't come in for Elton either, Griffiths will if fit ......I merely posted what I think the changes should be, not what I think they actually will be....
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Conca
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Changes aren't made for the hell of it. Changes are made because of match ups or bad form. Elton is definitely struggling, gee i wish we had 2x Nankervis, can see Griff replacing him next week. Menadue is the only other player i would even consider changing at this stage and that will either be a match up or game strategy decision but not just because someones favorite player isn't getting a game. Re:miles.
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Interesting that we now have more depth and genuine options with, Miles, Lennon, Soldo and Markov.
Creating pressure on players to perform both at AFL and VFL levels.
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Conca
I wonder what was edited......perhaps the u was removed?
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Outs Menadue .Elton
Ins. Griffiths. Miles
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Outs Menadue .Elton
Ins. Griffiths. Miles
Like those in's and out's.
We must beat them at the contested ball to have any hope.
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Griff for Elton should be the only change.
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What I'd like, not what I think will happen
Out- Houli, Grigg and Ellis
Ins- Markov, Miles and Lennon
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Is Miles quick enough for tackling, pressure and moving the ball quickly? Is his disposal clean?
Is his contested ball winning worth it or is he almost a man down in these areas above?
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Grigg has been solid all year - will probably recieve 3 Brownlow votes after yesterday's game.
He is not going anywhere BT .
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Conca stuffs around with the ball and stuffs it up nearly every time he get his mitts on it, time to give up on him
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Grigg has been solid all year - will probably recieve 3 Brownlow votes after yesterday's game.
He is not going anywhere BT .
I said what "I" would like to see!
BOG against Brisbane, BIG DEAL!
I think he is poo. Slow as a wet week... Along with Houli and BEllis.
The only way we will win finals is if those pretenders are gone. So we may as well start now.
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Well someone had to step up , even against lowly Brisbane. Cotchin and Dusty decided to have the weekend off.
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IN: Griffiths
OUT: Elton
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Well someone had to step up , even against lowly Brisbane. Cotchin and Dusty decided to have the weekend off.
Our twos would have beaten Brisbane yesterday.
Let's see how Grigg, Houli and Ellis go angainst decent sides in big games.
They all go missing EVERY TIME.
It's time now to replace them. Maybe not even all at once but what has Houli done this year to be ahead of Markov? A kid last year that proved he could play HB with his toughness as well as his run and carry.
These players will at best get you to 9th as we have already seen 2, 3, 4 years ago and they aren't getting any better.
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Grigg will never be dropped by Dimma.
On the positive side for Grigg he worked hard to get clear of his opponent but with these powers comes responsibility.
31 disposals at just 66%. (20 effective disposals) vs Conca 17 disposals at 100%. (17 effective disposals). Yet Grigg "looked" better primarily because of sheer volume of disposals and where he was kicking the ball (inside 50), albeit under WAY less pressure. And because Our better players were quiet.
Griggs game for mine was proportionally responsible (culprit number 1) for the junk football and turnovers we saw in the second half and which is the epitome of our old game plan.
Bombs away repeat x 31. I think it was selfish football. His game against Carlton was better and generally more disciplined with smarter play.
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Conca stuffs around with the ball and stuffs it up nearly every time he get his mitts on it, time to give up on him
Disposal efficiency 100% yesterday hooter (17/17).
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9th BT ??? Richmond haven't finished 9th since 2008.
Only players on list who have experienced 9th are Edwards, Cotchin and Jack who were all babies.
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9th BT ??? Richmond haven't finished 9th since 2008.
Only players on list who have experienced 9th are Edwards, Cotchin and Jack who were all babies.
Sorry it was supposed to be 8th.
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Well someone had to step up , even against lowly Brisbane. Cotchin and Dusty decided to have the weekend off.
Our twos would have beaten Brisbane yesterday.
Let's see how Grigg, Houli and Ellis go angainst decent sides in big games.
They all go missing EVERY TIME.
It's time now to replace them. Maybe not even all at once but what has Houli done this year to be ahead of Markov? A kid last year that proved he could play HB with his toughness as well as his run and carry.
These players will at best get you to 9th as we have already seen 2, 3, 4 years ago and they aren't getting any better.
The 3 mentioned went pretty good against West Coast last week
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9th BT ??? Richmond haven't finished 9th since 2008.
Only players on list who have experienced 9th are Edwards, Cotchin and Jack who were all babies.
But I think you missed the point.
Your thoughts on what I said?
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Grigg will never be dropped by Dimma.
On the positive side for Grigg he worked hard to get clear of his opponent but with these powers comes responsibility.
31 disposals at just 66%. (20 effective disposals) vs Conca 17 disposals at 100%. (17 effective disposals). Yet Grigg "looked" better primarily because of sheer volume of disposals and where he was kicking the ball (inside 50), albeit under WAY less pressure. And because Our better players were quiet.
Griggs game for mine was proportionally responsible (culprit number 1) for the junk football and turnovers we saw in the second half and which is the epitome of our old game plan.
Bombs away repeat x 31. I think it was selfish football. His game against Carlton was better and generally more disciplined with smarter play.
Spot on Dooks
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Well someone had to step up , even against lowly Brisbane. Cotchin and Dusty decided to have the weekend off.
Our twos would have beaten Brisbane yesterday.
Let's see how Grigg, Houli and Ellis go angainst decent sides in big games.
They all go missing EVERY TIME.
It's time now to replace them. Maybe not even all at once but what has Houli done this year to be ahead of Markov? A kid last year that proved he could play HB with his toughness as well as his run and carry.
These players will at best get you to 9th as we have already seen 2, 3, 4 years ago and they aren't getting any better.
The 3 mentioned went pretty good against West Coast last week
I guess that depends on how you watch footy.
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What gets me is many people here are talking up veteran Griggs 2016 style game as the highlight, yet, for example, we had a player who has played just 9 career games, had 16 possessions, 6 score involvements and kicked 4 goals 1.
9 career games and kicked 4 goals 1.
Yes Castagna picked the wrong option many times but better decision making under pressure will come in time.
FFS get some perspective people!
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Well someone had to step up , even against lowly Brisbane. Cotchin and Dusty decided to have the weekend off.
Our twos would have beaten Brisbane yesterday.
Let's see how Grigg, Houli and Ellis go angainst decent sides in big games.
They all go missing EVERY TIME.
It's time now to replace them. Maybe not even all at once but what has Houli done this year to be ahead of Markov? A kid last year that proved he could play HB with his toughness as well as his run and carry.
These players will at best get you to 9th as we have already seen 2, 3, 4 years ago and they aren't getting any better.
The 3 mentioned went pretty good against West Coast last week
I guess that depends on how you watch footy.
Watch every game , every round
Pre season as well
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Well someone had to step up , even against lowly Brisbane. Cotchin and Dusty decided to have the weekend off.
Our twos would have beaten Brisbane yesterday.
Let's see how Grigg, Houli and Ellis go angainst decent sides in big games.
They all go missing EVERY TIME.
It's time now to replace them. Maybe not even all at once but what has Houli done this year to be ahead of Markov? A kid last year that proved he could play HB with his toughness as well as his run and carry.
These players will at best get you to 9th as we have already seen 2, 3, 4 years ago and they aren't getting any better.
The 3 mentioned went pretty good against West Coast last week
I guess that depends on how you watch footy.
Watch every game , every round
Pre season as well
Jack I think what Big Tone means is how correctly one perceives and receives the game, not how many games one watches.
There are morons who go week in week out who are clueless unfortunately, yet there are people who can only get to 2-3 games a year who are latently more intelligent people and can pick up what's going on very quickly.
Unfortunately in life, commitment does not always correlate strongly with intelligence.
Quantity of views does not equate to quality of viewpoint.
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Houli Grigga and Brando going along nicely
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Houli Grigga and Brando going along nicely
True. They are making me eat my words. However, when we are playing Adelaide, Geelong, Bulldogs and GWS, it will be a much bigger test for them. As seniors in the team, they'll need to play well in those games, If they don't, I'd be putting more games into Markov, Menadue and even Bolton. We must keep trying to find a combination that will win the big games against the good clubs.
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Houli Grigga and Brando going along nicely
True. They are making me eat my words. However, when we are playing Adelaide, Geelong, Bulldogs and GWS, it will be a much bigger test for them. As seniors in the team, they'll need to play well in those games, If they don't, I'd be putting more games into Markov, Menadue and even Bolton. We must keep trying to find a combination that will win the big games against the good clubs.
No no YBB, let's play ol' Hunt, Morris & bring back hammer time :rollin
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I would imagine Markov and Menadue are similar, i thought Markov had more upside??? Any commentz??
Also how is Corey Ellis tracking??
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Actually thought Menadue was solid despite having a quiet game. Did some nice things and moves so well.
Didn't think much of Elton but thought he got better as the game went on. We know Griffiths will get toweled up by any opposition. Might as well persist with Elton for a few games and see how he goes IMO.
Grigg and Conca have been great this year, can't deny it.
Even Ellis is laying more tackles.
Would like to see Miles in the side but honestly can't decide at whose expense atm... Melbourne has a tough midfield.
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Houli Grigga and Brando going along nicely
True. They are making me eat my words. However, when we are playing Adelaide, Geelong, Bulldogs and GWS, it will be a much bigger test for them. As seniors in the team, they'll need to play well in those games, If they don't, I'd be putting more games into Markov, Menadue and even Bolton. We must keep trying to find a combination that will win the big games against the good clubs.
:clapping
And a few others for that matter.
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Miles for Lambert
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Agree Miles in at the expense of Lambert. Would drop Elton for Griffiths and bring in Lennon at the expense of Menadue.
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Think Lambert will run with Viney
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In the Mix - Round 5
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
18 April 2017
RICHMOND
Damien Hardwick has shown he is happy to change a winning formula this season and he has the depth to do so again in round five.
Mobile forwards Ben Lennon and Sam Lloyd booted six and five goals respectively in the VFL and are jockeying for selection against Melbourne on Anzac Eve. Lloyd also finished with 27 possessions and 13 marks in a standout performance to open the VFL season.
The Tigers might also make a change in their second ruck/tall forward spot, with Ben Griffiths (concussion) expected to be fit and Mabior Chol waiting in the wings.
Tough midfielder Anthony Miles (35 possessions and two goals) is in the type of form that would normally see him walk into the senior team, but midfield spots are hard to come by at Tigerland. His chances will rely on team balance and if the Tigers prefer to take extra run or hardness in against the Demons, who rank No.1 in the AFL for uncontested possessions.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-18/in-the-mix-round-five
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The Barometer - Round 5
Herald-Sun
18 April 2017
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: Connor Menadue could go straight back out of the side after picking up just nine disposals in his first game of the year. Todd Elton is providing a contest up forward but is the obvious casualty when Ben Griffiths returns. Jayden Short would be looking for a big game to cement his spot.
ON THE CUSP: Griffiths has now missed two matches with concussion and should be right to go against the Demons next Monday night. Plenty of candidates from the VFL after a massive 189-point win against North Ballarat. Ben Lennon kicked six goals, Sam Lloyd five and Anthony Miles had 35 disposals.
AL PATON’S FORECAST: The 4-0 Tigers are trying to keep the lid on but that is getting harder by the week. Bigger tests await in coming weeks starting with a classic eight-point game against fellow finals hopeful Melbourne — a team Richmond hasn’t beaten since 2013. After that it’s the Crows in Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium. If Richmond is still in the upper reaches of the ladder after that bracket it will be all aboard the Tiggy train.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-injury-list-latest-injury-news-and-selection-analysis-after-round-4/news-story/f23d1d1c8bcb91aa27bfc71b241384c6
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Is Miles quick enough for tackling, pressure and moving the ball quickly? Is his disposal clean?
Is his contested ball winning worth it or is he almost a man down in these areas above?
Yes. Not the quickest bloke but he is more than adequate in those areas. Second only behind Cotchin in tackles last year (4.5 tackles compared to 4.6) and always applied pressure. Speed may let him down slightly but not in the grand scheme of things. His disposal is excellent as well.
On another note, Elton can't even hit a stuffing handball in the right spot so I'm conceding Griffiths in for Elton
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Out: Elton, Menadue
In: Griffiths, Miles.
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Is Miles quick enough for tackling, pressure and moving the ball quickly? Is his disposal clean?
Is his contested ball winning worth it or is he almost a man down in these areas above?
Yes. Not the quickest bloke but he is more than adequate in those areas. Second only behind Cotchin in tackles last year (4.5 tackles compared to 4.6) and always applied pressure. Speed may let him down slightly but not in the grand scheme of things. His disposal is excellent as well.
On another note, Elton can't even hit a stuffing handball in the right spot so I'm conceding Griffiths in for Elton
Thank you for entertaining my question.
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Perfectly answering you mean
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Perfectly answering you mean
No I do not
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Is Miles quick enough for tackling, pressure and moving the ball quickly? Is his disposal clean?
Is his contested ball winning worth it or is he almost a man down in these areas above?
Yes. Not the quickest bloke but he is more than adequate in those areas. Second only behind Cotchin in tackles last year (4.5 tackles compared to 4.6) and always applied pressure. Speed may let him down slightly but not in the grand scheme of things. His disposal is excellent as well.
On another note, Elton can't even hit a stuffing handball in the right spot so I'm conceding Griffiths in for Elton
So after 63 very uninspiring games of AFL footy with him basically knocking himself out every other week, and having kicked a grand total of 42 goals, you haven't seen enough of him to put a line through his name?
Don't worry, it's only a rhetorical question
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Is Miles quick enough for tackling, pressure and moving the ball quickly? Is his disposal clean?
Is his contested ball winning worth it or is he almost a man down in these areas above?
Yes. Not the quickest bloke but he is more than adequate in those areas. Second only behind Cotchin in tackles last year (4.5 tackles compared to 4.6) and always applied pressure. Speed may let him down slightly but not in the grand scheme of things. His disposal is excellent as well.
On another note, Elton can't even hit a stuffing handball in the right spot so I'm conceding Griffiths in for Elton
So after 63 very uninspiring games of AFL footy with him basically knocking himself out every other week, and having kicked a grand total of 42 goals, you haven't seen enough of him to put a line through his name?
Don't worry, it's only a rhetorical question
Never said I haven't put a line through his name but at this stage he is still superior to Elton. Not that I'd expect you to understand ::)
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both hacks that should never play again...simple
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Anyone else see the report on Dusty getting a scan for groin soreness?
Any inside word?
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Worrying. We're stuffed without Dusty.
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80% Dusty in the forward line would still kick 4-6 goals.
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Anyone else see the report on Dusty getting a scan for groin soreness?
Any inside word?
Here's the Ch7 report on Dusty and Houli.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/854618347299684353
Dustin Martin reveals he is battling groin soreness, in what is a fresh injury concern for the @Richmond_FC superstar. @Stevo7AFL
Dusty was off to see the doc with the scans but told Mark Stevens he'll be right to play. A 8-day break helps.
Houli said he was just in for "old man's syndrome". A general check-up. Mark Stevens said Bachar's a certainty to play.
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Tigers expect 'durable' Dusty to face Demons
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
April 20, 2017 1:50 PM
RICHMOND is confident star midfielder Dustin Martin will be fit to take on Melbourne in Monday's Anzac Day eve clash at the MCG as he recovers from groin soreness.
Martin, who was below his best against the Brisbane Lions in round four, underwent scans on Wednesday and told Channel Seven: "I've just got a bit of a sore groin … I should be fine".
The Tigers have an eight-day break before taking on the Demons, which should help the 25-year-old, who was able to complete a running session on Thursday morning.
"Dusty is (one of) our most durable players at the football club, and I think most teams would have him on one leg anyway," captain Trent Cotchin said on Thursday.
"I think he'll come up fine, he'll train on the weekend and it's one of those ones that you wait and see how it plays out.
"I don't think it's anything too significant … it's just a time thing."
Tall forward Ben Griffiths is also available for selection against the 2-2 Demons after missing two matches with concussion.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-20/tigers-expect-durable-dustin-martin-to-play-against-melbourne
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Richmond v Melbourne at the MCG, 7.25pm AEST
Teams will be announced at 5pm on Saturday, April 22
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-20/round-five-teams-named
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VFL play on Sat afternoon so easy to work out team
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Griffiths named in our VFL squad this week.
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Youd think the following players are borderline:
Elton
Menadue
Lambert
Would like to see Miles get a run, give Elton another week and think its unfair to drop menadue after 1 game but would understand if they do
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Hope we smash these gimps
Vineys got the most smashable jaw, bet the prick lips off a fair bit too
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Hope we smash these gimps
Vineys got the most smashable jaw, bet the prick lips off a fair bit too
I agree, especially the descriptive bit about his jaw :lol, however Bugg is numero uno on the hitlist for mine. That cocky prick needs his comeuppance after last year
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Going by what Dimma said just now, Dusty may miss :-\.
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That's reading between the lines a bit
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Miles for Lambert
Markov for Menadue
Chol for Vlastuin.
Short - Astbury - Grimes
Conca - Rance - Houli
Narkov - Caddy - Grigg
Castagna - Riewoldt - Butler
Chol - Elton - Rioli
Nankervis - Martin - Cotchin
Prestia - Miles - Ellis - McIntosh
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Going by what Dimma said just now, Dusty may miss :-\.
Yep, not likely to play.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1316303608482715&substory_index=0&id=767274933385588
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Yep, give him a spell if he's 100%. If we expect to be decent then we have to be able to cover players.
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Chol for Vlastuin.
I want to disagree with you having Vlas as an out but I don't think I can. Apart from tackling he is offering stuff all. I think he should get a run around in the VFL, kill it, and come back in and hopefully translate it to AFL. It's hard to be put into a completely new role in a new gamestyle in the AFL and expect to do it well.
Although if Martin is out I think he needs to stay in
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Panic Room: Can Dusty get up?
Ben Higgins,
Herald Sun
21 April 2017
RICHMOND is sweating on the fitness of superstar Dustin Martin ahead of the Anzac Day eve clash against Melbourne.
It was revealed after the Tigers’ win over Brisbane last week that “Dusty” was dealing with a niggling injury but was expected to face the Demons on Monday night.
However, senior coach Damien Hardwick and assistant Blake Caracella have added some mystery in recent days.
Speaking on The Footy Show, Hardwick said Martin would be given to the final minute and joked he was doing everything in his power to help recovery.
“We’ll see how he goes, we’ve got another training session later in the week,” he said.
“Dusty, he has got a little bit of groin soreness so if we can hurry up this interview I’ve got to go and rub that groin.”
The Tigers and Demons will name their teams on Saturday.
Caracella said Martin would be a big loss.
“I’m not too sure, I think he will,” he said on SEN.
“We play Monday, we’ll have to wait until Saturday or Sunday to find out ... let’s just hope he is OK because he is a fantastic.”
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/panic-room-round-5-latest-selection-news-and-whispers-supercoach-advice-and-best-bets/news-story/caefd72c3c05a67ef63edee2956557c4
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You would expect Miles will come in but don't be surprised if Townsend does on the back of his 5 goals in the VFL.... :shh
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Miles for Lambert
Markov for Menadue
Chol for Vlastuin.
Short - Astbury - Grimes
Conca - Rance - Houli
Narkov - Caddy - Grigg
Castagna - Riewoldt - Butler
Chol - Elton - Rioli
Nankervis - Martin - Cotchin
Prestia - Miles - Ellis - McIntosh
Not bad but Chol is a long way off at this point. Need to find a way for Markov to get in but should not be for Menadue.
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You would expect Miles will come in but don't be surprised if Townsend does on the back of his 5 goals in the VFL.... :shh
Oh stuff i hope not :facepalm
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Going by what Dimma said just now, Dusty may miss :-\.
Yep, not likely to play.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1316303608482715&substory_index=0&id=767274933385588
Dusty playn bunnies
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You would expect Miles will come in but don't be surprised if Townsend does on the back of his 5 goals in the VFL.... :shh
Oh stuff i hope not :facepalm
x2
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Miles and Lloyd not playing in the VFL today. So they look like the probable INs.
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Miles and Lloyd not playing in the VFL today. So they look like the probable INs.
When is the team announced?
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Miles and Lloyd not playing in the VFL today. So they look like the probable INs.
When is the team announced?
5pm today.
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Miles would be the back up if Dusty isn't fit but I'd say Dusty will be named :shh
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Miles would be the back up if Dusty isn't fit but I'd say Dusty will be named :shh
Agree, HRT. We'll give Dusty right up until Monday night to see if he can play.
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Miles would be the back up if Dusty isn't fit but I'd say Dusty will be named :shh
Agree, HRT. We'll give Dusty right up until Monday night to see if he can play.
And he will :shh
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:pray
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Miles should play has earned his spot ahead of anyone else, I don't even know why Menadue got a game ahead of him to be honest.
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Speed baby, speed.
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Rance will probably play on Watts and therefore Astbury is going to have a big challenge playing on Hogan. This is going to be a critical duel. I suspect Lambert will try and negate Jones rather than Viney and likewise this will also be a critical duel.
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Rance will probably play on Watts and therefore Astbury is going to have a big challenge playing on Hogan. This is going to be a critical duel. I suspect Lambert will try and negate Jones rather than Viney and likewise this will also be a critical duel.
I'd put Grimes on Watts if he can keep up aerobically.
Rance can sag off as a floating 3rd defender.
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Rance will probably play on Watts and therefore Astbury is going to have a big challenge playing on Hogan. This is going to be a critical duel. I suspect Lambert will try and negate Jones rather than Viney and likewise this will also be a critical duel.
I'd put Grimes on Watts if he can keep up aerobically.
Rance can sag off as a floating 3rd defender.
So would I as he has the speed and height to go with Watts, problem is I think he's earmarked for Garlett and is probably our best matchup for Garlett too
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Rance will probably play on Watts and therefore Astbury is going to have a big challenge playing on Hogan. This is going to be a critical duel. I suspect Lambert will try and negate Jones rather than Viney and likewise this will also be a critical duel.
I'd put Grimes on Watts if he can keep up aerobically.
Rance can sag off as a floating 3rd defender.
So would I as he has the speed and height to go with Watts, problem is I think he's earmarked for Garlett and is probably our best matchup for Garlett too
Maybe they'll play Markov on Garlett... :shh
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Speed baby, speed.
:yep
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[Maybe they'll play Markov on Garlett... :shh
I was thinking Short to Garlett
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Rance will probably play on Watts and therefore Astbury is going to have a big challenge playing on Hogan. This is going to be a critical duel. I suspect Lambert will try and negate Jones rather than Viney and likewise this will also be a critical duel.
I'd put Grimes on Watts if he can keep up aerobically.
Rance can sag off as a floating 3rd defender.
So would I as he has the speed and height to go with Watts, problem is I think he's earmarked for Garlett and is probably our best matchup for Garlett too
I think what this shows is how important Grimes is to our side. Really underrated player imo.
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Speed baby, speed.
:yep
It's gonna be peeing down. Miles would be better option in the rain IMO
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[Maybe they'll play Markov on Garlett... :shh
I was thinking Short to Garlett
I like Short but I think Garlett might kick a few on old Shorty
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I think there will be a late change and it won't be Martin
Why hold 2 players over ?
E.g. Lloyd and Miles
Could of easily played each for a half yesterday and limited there time etc