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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on July 11, 2009, 04:49:08 PM
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Anyone wanna rate Edwards, King and Hislop?
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Anyone wanna rate Edwards, King and Hislop?
yeah ill rate them. effIN P A T H E T I C.
3 things about today
im content about the result. going to plan perfectly.
secondly im glad jade cant get it right & win games because we dont want another geesh on our hands and quite frankly he is rubbish.
thirdly those 3 you mentioned Ramps are the reason why we are ridiculed and laughed at by most in the league. Like Petrfied, Schulz, now these 3 clowns we will remain at the bottom. Nahas is half the size yet provides an option. he still may not make it but at least HE HAS A stuffin go.
Great day for Post and Vickery. Now where r those fools a month ago who said not to play Vickery. NFI some of you on here.
Lids is getting ready to say his goodbyes. :thumbsup
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King is on my delist list but I actually didn't think he was that bad today. Made his trademark howler across the ground but he also did some nice things. Not our worst today by a long shot but not in our future plans either.
Hislop and Edwards don't do enough and half the time what they do do isn't good enough. They argument the Club will make is they are still young but there's not much to get excited about on current "form". Very ordinary.
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I would add Jackson to that list also, his disposal is just terrible.
He cancels out all of his hard work with his disposal, he just inst up to it in that side of the game.
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King is on my delist list but I actually didn't think he was that bad today. Made his trademark howler across the ground but he also did some nice things. Not our worst today by a long shot but not in our future plans either.
Hislop and Edwards don't do enough and half the time what they do do isn't good enough. They argument the Club will make is they are still young but there's not much to get excited about on current "form". Very ordinary.
MT the same was said about Schulz and Petrified before them.
Enough is enough we need to get rid of these cancers end of the season that keep infesting on our team, whether they are young or old.
Anyone see Post, Vickery and Nahas today. Now thats what we can build a team around. Those other clowns will NEVER win us a flag.
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Edwards in particular seems to have absolutely no awareness of what is around him. Time and time again he gets caught with the ball and secondly he has a bad habit of kicking the ball like a soccer player. If you watch Cotchin and the way his head is over the ball when he passes, Edwards continually leans back as he kicks, why cant the coaches see this, what are they being paid for?
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Edwards in particular seems to have absolutely no awareness of what is around him. Time and time again he gets caught with the ball and secondly he has a bad habit of kicking the ball like a soccer player. If you watch Cotchin and the way his head is over the ball when he passes, Edwards continually leans back as he kicks, why cant the coaches see this, what are they being paid for?
Said it a million times.
If we dont dump him now he will become if he isnt already another list clogger aka JON
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I'm not sure why our coaches keep playing King in defence. Even against Coburg last week he was a liability in defence and showed something playing forward. So the logic in elevating him on that performance then putting him down back again is just astounding.
I still think Hislop and Edwards need time, I'm happy to leave them in getting more experience. Similar to King, I'm not sure why Edwards is ever played in defence, he should be a forward while he develops as he proved in his first two years that he can play there. He moves well in traffic but awareness and disposal lets him down. They can both improve with more time in the game to develop confidence.
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Jury is out over King but i think Hislop will come good given some more time, yes he goes to ground a bit but a lot of the time it was to throw himself at the ball. One thing he doesnt lack is courage and he has good hands.
Watching Edwards today i kept thinking of Tambling and how similar they are (pre 2009 for Tambling), imagine how dangerous the 2 of them would be if he comes good like blinger. both are good plyers in the making i believe where as King is a little older and just doesnt seem to have the skills to hold down a backline position but i would like to see him in the forward pocket for a few games. His defensive pressure may help with some of the easy clearances the opposing teams make against us.
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wouldnt pee on them
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King played much better today, only that one big clanger comes to mind.
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King too short skill deficient. All heart and could be a passenger in a good side but in ours he sticks out like a stiffy in a tracksuit.
Edwards. Kid showed promise a few years ago but is just another flanker introduced in the Wallace era that is too small too timid and too weak. Two weeks in a row caught in posession by superstars of the comp.
Hislop. Tries hard and goes in but lacks class panache and finesse.
Of the 3 I like Hislop the most.
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I'm not sure why our coaches keep playing King in defence. Even against Coburg last week he was a liability in defence and showed something playing forward. So the logic in elevating him on that performance then putting him down back again is just astounding.
I still think Hislop and Edwards need time, I'm happy to leave them in getting more experience. Similar to King, I'm not sure why Edwards is ever played in defence, he should be a forward while he develops as he proved in his first two years that he can play there. He moves well in traffic but awareness and disposal lets him down. They can both improve with more time in the game to develop confidence.
yep and lets hope our new coach doesn't think like you or we will be in the wilderness for another 5 years.
they are list cloggers simple as that, a perfect illustration of where we sit as a football club.
under 70kg's .....tick
cant kick....tick
run around in circles...tick
they dont need time they are rubbish.
nahas is so much lighter than Edwards yet i am so much confident when he touches the ball. Edwards needs to watch Nahas lay tackles.
Edwards is the brother JON never knew he had.
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Cogs should be in the team in front of these duds :banghead
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Jury is out over King but i think Hislop will come good given some more time, yes he goes to ground a bit but a lot of the time it was to throw himself at the ball. One thing he doesnt lack is courage and he has good hands.
Watching Edwards today i kept thinking of Tambling and how similar they are (pre 2009 for Tambling), imagine how dangerous the 2 of them would be if he comes good like blinger. both are good plyers in the making i believe where as King is a little older and just doesnt seem to have the skills to hold down a backline position but i would like to see him in the forward pocket for a few games. His defensive pressure may help with some of the easy clearances the opposing teams make against us.
i can do without king but i really don't think edward is that bad. sure, his disposal isn't great but he's very agile and he takes them on. he'll be right.
i quite like hislop. though he doesn't get much of the ball in the forwardline. but his defensive pressure and tackling is fantastic. he's hard at the ball and numerous times today he won the hardball in close and gave the handball out.
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yep and lets hope our new coach doesn't think like you or we will be in the wilderness for another 5 years.
they are list cloggers simple as that, a perfect illustration of where we sit as a football club.
under 70kg's .....tick
cant kick....tick
run around in circles...tick
they dont need time they are rubbish.
I'm sorry, but they are both too young to be list cloggers.
You had it wrong about Tambling, no reason you won't be wrong about other players who are still developing.
Our kids don't have the luxury of being in a team surrounded by older mature bodies so the kids can play cameos while they develop. Our kids are our core, they have to do everything.
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yep and lets hope our new coach doesn't think like you or we will be in the wilderness for another 5 years.
they are list cloggers simple as that, a perfect illustration of where we sit as a football club.
under 70kg's .....tick
cant kick....tick
run around in circles...tick
they dont need time they are rubbish.
I'm sorry, but they are both too young to be list cloggers.
You had it wrong about Tambling, no reason you won't be wrong about other players who are still developing.
Our kids don't have the luxury of being in a team surrounded by older mature bodies so the kids can play cameos while they develop. Our kids are our core, they have to do everything.
yeah i got it wrong for now and i hope he keeps it up.
open your eyes its not rocket science.
PLAYERS OF THE FUTURE
VICKERY
COLLINS
JACK
COTCH
MORTON
WHITE
POLO
POST
RANCE
GRAHAM
TAMBLING
LIDS
NAHAS(is so far ahead of Edwards its not funny)
LIST CLOGGERS AND PLAYERS WHO WILL "NEVER' WIN YOU A FLAG
SCHULZ
EDWARDS
JON
HISLOP
KING
PATTISON
PETRIFIED
Hughes is the only one im willing to keep on for another few years. FFS we kept JON for so long why not keep a KPP and see how we go.
now you can bang on all you like about players "being too young" to be list cloggers well remind me how old Schulz and JON are?
Those list cloggers mentioned above would never get a game at most clubs
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Nahas is older than Edwards and Edwards has had two pretty decent years as an 18-19 year old
This year has been his weakest so far, but he wouldn't be the first developing kid who had a down year, in fact it's quite common
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NAHAS(is so far ahead of Edwards its not funny).......
Im not negating anything said on here about Nahas, he is an exciting pospect but that comment by Daniel really doesnt ring true to me.
Nahas is at least a year oler than Edwards and has played senior VFL football previously. If he is so much better why was he drafted this year as a 21 year old and not picked up a few years ago when he was 18-19.
Tucky for example didnt get picked up till he was 23? and now at 28 is consistently in our top 10 players week in week out, it just shows that some players take a little longer than others to come right.
Obviously Edwards has showed something to be picked up as a kid and at the ripe old age of 20 is now a list clogger?
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agree that jackson is overrated
Cogs should be in the team in front of these duds :banghead
fair point
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NAHAS(is so far ahead of Edwards its not funny).......
Im not negating anything said on here about Nahas, he is an exciting pospect but that comment by Daniel really doesnt ring true to me.
Nahas is at least a year oler than Edwards and has played senior VFL football previously. If he is so much better why was he drafted this year as a 21 year old and not picked up a few years ago when he was 18-19.
Tucky for example didnt get picked up till he was 23? and now at 28 is consistently in our top 10 players week in week out, it just shows that some players take a little longer than others to come right.
Obviously Edwards has showed something to be picked up as a kid and at the ripe old age of 20 is now a list clogger?
jacosh listen up amigo.
Edwards dances around in circles aka JON and has no awareness whats going on around him.
If you think players of his calibre will win you a flag then im affriad you will be waiting a very very long time.
Edwards has played more footy than Nahas. FACT.
dont even compare vfl to afl. Look at schulz he is serviceable at vfl level yet couldnt get a root in a brothel when he plays for us.
FACE FACTS EDWARDS LIKE MANY BEFORE HIM IS NOT GOING TO TAKE US WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
I see nahas as being a little Steve Milne. A little pest we have been longing for.
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Fact; it does not matter where you play your footy, if you play against fully grown, mature men you are better equpped to deal with afl in your fledgling years! TAC cup does a good job of preparing for the future but does not prepare well for the speed and size of grown men in the first year. On 3aw last night the commentaters used Natinui and Rich as examples of this as well as Nahas. Example where it fails in the first year include Watts, Judd(who kept on dislocating shoulders) and even Goddard who is only now starting to realise his potential.
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NAHAS(is so far ahead of Edwards its not funny).......
Im not negating anything said on here about Nahas, he is an exciting pospect but that comment by Daniel really doesnt ring true to me.
Nahas is at least a year oler than Edwards and has played senior VFL football previously. If he is so much better why was he drafted this year as a 21 year old and not picked up a few years ago when he was 18-19.
Tucky for example didnt get picked up till he was 23? and now at 28 is consistently in our top 10 players week in week out, it just shows that some players take a little longer than others to come right.
Obviously Edwards has showed something to be picked up as a kid and at the ripe old age of 20 is now a list clogger?
jacosh listen up amigo.
Edwards dances around in circles aka JON and has no awareness whats going on around him.
If you think players of his calibre will win you a flag then im affriad you will be waiting a very very long time.
Edwards has played more footy than Nahas. FACT.
dont even compare vfl to afl. Look at schulz he is serviceable at vfl level yet couldnt get a root in a brothel when he plays for us.
FACE FACTS EDWARDS LIKE MANY BEFORE HIM IS NOT GOING TO TAKE US WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
I see nahas as being a little Steve Milne. A little pest we have been longing for.
I hate to disagree with a person of such obvious intellect as yourself Daniel.
I see Edwards game as trying to break the lines and draw the tackler before offloading to a free team mate, he got caught once last night by Judd when he zigged when he should have zagged but that will come with a little more maturity.
As for playing more football than Nahas i think you wrong there as well he has played more AFL than Nahas but Robbie played a few years in the VFL which gives him an advantage of playing on men rather than boys at TAC level. I see him more like Blingers than JON. watch a couple of replays from 2 years ago and see how many time Blingers was being caught, he has matured this years and we are seeing glimpses of what the recruiters saw in him that led him to be drafted before Franklin. Give Edwards another couple of years to mature and get a stronger and i think you will see similar progress.
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NAHAS(is so far ahead of Edwards its not funny).......
Im not negating anything said on here about Nahas, he is an exciting pospect but that comment by Daniel really doesnt ring true to me.
Nahas is at least a year oler than Edwards and has played senior VFL football previously. If he is so much better why was he drafted this year as a 21 year old and not picked up a few years ago when he was 18-19.
Tucky for example didnt get picked up till he was 23? and now at 28 is consistently in our top 10 players week in week out, it just shows that some players take a little longer than others to come right.
Obviously Edwards has showed something to be picked up as a kid and at the ripe old age of 20 is now a list clogger?
jacosh listen up amigo.
Edwards dances around in circles aka JON and has no awareness whats going on around him.
If you think players of his calibre will win you a flag then im affriad you will be waiting a very very long time.
Edwards has played more footy than Nahas. FACT.
dont even compare vfl to afl. Look at schulz he is serviceable at vfl level yet couldnt get a root in a brothel when he plays for us.
FACE FACTS EDWARDS LIKE MANY BEFORE HIM IS NOT GOING TO TAKE US WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
I see nahas as being a little Steve Milne. A little pest we have been longing for.
I hate to disagree with a person of such obvious intellect as yourself Daniel.
I see Edwards game as trying to break the lines and draw the tackler before offloading to a free team mate, he got caught once last night by Judd when he zigged when he should have zagged but that will come with a little more maturity.
As for playing more football than Nahas i think you wrong there as well he has played more AFL than Nahas but Robbie played a few years in the VFL which gives him an advantage of playing on men rather than boys at TAC level. I see him more like Blingers than JON. watch a couple of replays from 2 years ago and see how many time Blingers was being caught, he has matured this years and we are seeing glimpses of what the recruiters saw in him that led him to be drafted before Franklin. Give Edwards another couple of years to mature and get a stronger and i think you will see similar progress.
Clutching at straws!!!!!! Edwards is a DUD :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Edwards - Trade
King - Delist
Hislop - Delist
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What did we all think of Edwards today?
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What did we all think of Edwards today?
Was good against poor opposition.
The better teams would of crunched him if he was taking marks inside D 50.
Good trade bait at years end. Is too small
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Edwards went alright.
drafted 06 - too early to write him off
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What did we all think of Edwards today?
thought it was his best game for the club today and he was our best player
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I have liked this kid since his first game, still only young, has a footy brain and takes them on.
Future star.
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He was too quick for them today. Great to watch.
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edwards was brilliant.
hislop i've liked tho i know alot of people are never satisfied. he wins alot of hardball in the middle of the pack and feeds the ball out. sure, he's not a flashy player who will blow you away but he's tough as nails and scraps in hard. keep him.
king: not too interested.
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Edwards was great today, I don't think he was our best on ground, but he was rightfully named IN the bests
Showed lovely evasiveness, kicked beautifully and that holding the ball decision against him was an absolute disgrace
He also completely nullified Lindsay Thomas
Shows what some confidence does to a player and a little bit of faith as well
Didn't think King did too badly either, Hislop wasn't sighted too much, but is always hard at the ball
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Hislop really hurt some of the Nth players yesterday. I like his attack on the footy though he does lack a little polish and good decision making skills at times though I feel this is more an experience thing than a ability one.
Edwards was terrific at times during the game. Now has the confidence to just play his natural game which is paying off. Went missing during the middle part of the match but if he continue to build on this form we may have a Richie mark two on our hands :shh
King layed those bone crunching couple of tackles during the game whic resulted in a goal which once again highlighted why he was elevated to the main list in the first place. He was also out marked and made a few costly turnovers which is why he may be eventually delisted. Can't help but love his attitude.
Stripes
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Its such a shame we criticise players so soon.
We were more critical of Richie Bling in his early years. People wanted his head. Now those same people are claiming he's our next captain.
Just give him a go and wait post 22-23 and judge him when he has a man's body and brain.
Not in the bottom 10 this year anyway, absolutely should be kept.
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Not concerned about Edwards ....He just needs a couple more pre seasons and 40 more games pumped into him.
What about Dean Polo ? He is 23 and his best game is still his debut game.
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Edwards and Hislop - One more season to bulk up and show their ability, if they can't then too bad (although i thought Edwards showed a lot on Sunday)
King - Give him till the end of the season to WOW the football department, otherwise look to offload him over the summer.
Polo - Make a highlights reel from his first 1/2/3 games and take that round the AFL trying to pass him off as the Next Big Thing. Maybe other teams are as stupid as we've shown we can be, I mean Freo took Tarrant from Collingwood a few years back :clapping - they're about due for another top notch recruiting decision like that this year :lol
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FACE FACTS EDWARDS LIKE MANY BEFORE HIM IS NOT GOING TO TAKE US WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
I see nahas as being a little Steve Milne. A little pest we have been longing for.
No mate that's your gig (I'm assuming that you're little, in every sense of the word). Certainly not man enough to turn up on this thread to admit you are wrong about Edwards.
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Polo - Make a highlights reel from his first 1/2/3 games and take that round the AFL trying to pass him off as the Next Big Thing. Maybe other teams are as stupid as we've shown we can be, I mean Freo took Tarrant from Collingwood a few years back :clapping - they're about due for another top notch recruiting decision like that this year :lol
While I agree that Freo have no peer when it comes to recruiting blunders, I have to say that Tarrant has been one of their better gets. He is in almost career-best form playing out of the backline at the moment.
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Edwards, King & Polo had some of the highest disposal efficiency for the game against North.
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FACE FACTS EDWARDS LIKE MANY BEFORE HIM IS NOT GOING TO TAKE US WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
I see nahas as being a little Steve Milne. A little pest we have been longing for.
No mate that's your gig (I'm assuming that you're little, in every sense of the word). Certainly not man enough to turn up on this thread to admit you are wrong about Edwards.
Wow! 3rd post and the umpy has come out all guns blazing! As for Daniels call on Nahas, i dont think he ll be a milne but more like an ednie or a hollands, too small but filled a gap for a short time. Hope im wrong though!
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Its such a shame we criticise players so soon.
We were more critical of Richie Bling in his early years. People wanted his head. Now those same people are claiming he's our next captain.
Just give him a go and wait post 22-23 and judge him when he has a man's body and brain.
Not in the bottom 10 this year anyway, absolutely should be kept.
this is why Connors should get at least 1 more year
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FACE FACTS EDWARDS LIKE MANY BEFORE HIM IS NOT GOING TO TAKE US WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
I see nahas as being a little Steve Milne. A little pest we have been longing for.
No mate that's your gig (I'm assuming that you're little, in every sense of the word). Certainly not man enough to turn up on this thread to admit you are wrong about Edwards.
Edwards was ok yesterday but don't make the mistake and think he is a star! He has been absolutely horrible this year. So 1 good game doesn't make anyone wrong about Edwards. I still think he is a skinny little boy who cannot kick and i am man enough to say it!
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FACE FACTS EDWARDS LIKE MANY BEFORE HIM IS NOT GOING TO TAKE US WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
I see nahas as being a little Steve Milne. A little pest we have been longing for.
No mate that's your gig (I'm assuming that you're little, in every sense of the word). Certainly not man enough to turn up on this thread to admit you are wrong about Edwards.
Edwards was ok yesterday but don't make the mistake and think he is a star! He has been absolutely horrible this year. So 1 good game doesn't make anyone wrong about Edwards. I still think he is a skinny little boy who cannot kick and i am man enough to say it!
And I am man enough to back your comments up, yes he played well and I have been one of the people bagging him but for good reason, lets see him back it up next week and the week after and...... well you get it.
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What did we all think of all three yesterday?
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I thought Edwards was very good again this week - match saving mark in the dying seconds; cannot ask for much more
King was OK - contained Lovett
Hislop applies great defensive pressue in the F50 but his disposal is very poor at times and yesterday early on he seemed more interested in wanting to biff his former team mates ;D
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I thought Edwards was very good again this week - match saving mark in the dying seconds; cannot ask for much more
King was OK - contained Lovett
Hislop applies great defensive pressue in the F50 but his disposal is very poor at times and yesterday early on he seemed more interested in wanting to biff his former team mates ;D
It seemed like they were more interested in biffing him!
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Can I take credit for Edwards improvement ;D He must have read this hard hitting thread :D and decided to lift :gotigers
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I thought Edwards was very good again this week - match saving mark in the dying seconds; cannot ask for much more
King was OK - contained Lovett
Hislop applies great defensive pressue in the F50 but his disposal is very poor at times and yesterday early on he seemed more interested in wanting to biff his former team mates ;D
agree with what youve said hear WP but would add that i like Hislop that way, RFC have enough soft players, Hislop doesnt take a backwards step at all but doesnt get carried away and get reported.
Besides it looked to me that he was getting fairly targeted by the bummers as well as dishing some out.
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Edwards like alot of Indigious boys take a year or two - Richie Tambling is not a bad example.
Loved his courage when he took the match saving mark. And the good news is that he can only get better.