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Virgin keen to bench Qantas sponsorship
• Mike Sheahan
• From: Herald Sun
• November 10, 2010 12:00AM
Source: AFP
VIRGIN Blue is tackling Qantas for the multi-million dollar rights to the title of the AFL's official carrier.
Virgin has made a powerful pitch to the AFL to break what has been seen as the Qantas stranglehold on the rights, believed to be worth up to $5 million a year.
Qantas, whose agreement expires this year, is keen to extend an association that started in 2002 after the collapse of Ansett Airlines.
Neither airline would comment yesterday, while the AFL declined to discuss the matter.
AFL spokesman Brian Walsh said only: "We don't provide running commentary on discussions with any of our commercial partners."
Qantas provides thousands of seats a year to AFL clubs at a heavily discounted price for travelling parties of up to 45 players, staff and officials.
Then there's the thousands of other seats for AFL officials and staff, and club coterie and supporter groups.
Virgin Blue is believed to see the AFL brand as a major marketing tool while Qantas is equally keen to retain the bragging rights that come with a commercial partnership with Australia's biggest sport.
While Virgin is believed to have trumped Qantas in financial terms, Qantas has scheduling advantages, particularly in terms of flights to and from Perth.
A decision is expected before Christmas.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/story/0,668,27921332-5014099,00.html
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gee i hope Virgin get this. Would love to sink those Qantas toffs to the ground. Borgetti will transform this airline
Virgin woman put those Qantas old botox hags to shame.
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The way Qantas are going at the minute they're becoming the airlines version of 'pick a part'
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The AFL dumped Qantas a couple of days ago.....
AFL dumps Qantas as its official carrier, set to sign deal with Virgin
* Mike Sheahan
* From: Herald Sun
* November 18, 2010 UPDATE 5.10pm:
THE bad news just keeps coming for Qantas, now the AFL has dumped the airline as its official carrier.
As reported exclusively on SuperFooty this afternoon, the league has turned to Virgin Blue after a nine-year association with the flying kangaroo.
The new arrangement - believed to be worth $6 million annually - will take effect from January 1.
Industry sources said last night the two offers were comparable, but the AFL had demanded exclusivity from Qantas, which has ongoing commercial arrangements with soccer, rugby and rugby league.
Virgin Blue is believed to have promised to refrain from any arrangement with any other football code in return for the business of Australia's biggest sport.
Virgin Blue sees sport as a powerful marketing tool and will gain huge exposure flying the AFL's 17 clubs round the country for seven months a year from Feburary next year.
Qantas spokesman Ken Ryan said today: "We've had a relationship with the AFL since we took over from Ansett in 2002.
"It's been a good partnership, but the AFL had issues with our arrangements with the other codes.
"We have a proud history of supporting all sports in Australia, including all codes of football and that's not going to change.
"We will not enter into exclusive arrangements with any sporting body.''
Several clubs, alerted to the Qantas-Virgin Blue battle by the Herald Sun on November 10, have expressed serious misgivings about the switch.
They say Qantas has a more accommodating schedule, particularly from the eastern seaboard to Perth, and a history of going above and beyond the standard in-service requirements.
Players often are upgraded to business class, particularly those who would be cramped in an economy seat.
Presently, Virgin Blue can't provide business class, but that situation is expected to change midway through next year.
The AFL is expected to make an announcement later today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/afl-dumps-qantas-as-its-official-carrier-set-to-sign-deal-with-virgin/story-e6frf7kx-1225955673452?referrer=email&source=HS_email_nl&emcmp=HS&emchn=Newsletter&emlist=Member
And here's the official annoucement on the AFL site:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105337/default.aspx
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best news for the airline. Qantas take everyone for granted cause they are the nations carrier, so this must sting real hard.
Told my mrs who works there to the upgrade only our players..lol
I seriously cant understand how we cant chase Tiger(Terrible airline) as a sponsor or Singapore Airlines(their owner) meanwhile the Pies are allowed to have Emirates the direct competitor to Etihad who Virgin are co partners with now.
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Glad that Andy D and his merry men at Docklands are happy because it would seem clubs are not as happy
Personally I wont be flying Virgin Blue - once was enough and never again. It would have been better flight if I had of "driven" to Tasmania :banghead :banghead
Have already booked a number of flights for next season - all QANTAS all dirt cheap. The new direct flight to Darwin was an absolute bargin :clapping :clapping
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Don't forget to bring along some sticky tape WP just in case something falls off the plane ;D
The "Qantas Socceroos" with the Socceroos livery on the plane mid-year during the World Cup ticked the AFL off. The AFL wants exclusivity from its major sponsors as much as the sponsors want exclusivity from the AFL.
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Virgin deal with the Suns angers other AFL clubs
Caroline Wilson
December 1, 2010
VIRGIN is poised to become a major sponsor of the Gold Coast in a lucrative agreement certain to fuel a further backlash from clubs already smarting at the AFL's decision to ditch Qantas in favour of the smaller carrier.
The Age has learned that the league's 17th club looks certain to announce the airline as its co-major sponsor next week. Allegations of a ''sweetheart'' deal were last night building among key club officials.
It has also emerged that Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has put in writing what was building as a chorus of disapproval among the clubs over the Virgin deal. Kennett is understood to have fired off an angry letter to the AFL accusing the code's governing body of a lack of consultation in the significant decision to abandon Qantas.
Kennett echoed the thoughts of several clubs when he accused the AFL of abandoning the national carrier for reasons irrelevant to the weekly demands of football clubs travelling across the country.
Although the AFL's financial boss Ian Anderson responded to Kennett, several clubs remained disillusioned with the AFL's decision unaware that the league-backed Suns were negotiating a major guernsey deal with the airline.
Gold Coast chief executive Travis Auld refused to confirm or deny the forthcoming sponsorship arrangement although The Age understands that Virgin will share naming rights on the Suns' new jumper with co-major sponsor Host Plus.
''We're hopeful of being in a position to announce something soon,'' said Auld. ''But that's all I can say at this stage.''
Most angry at the new airline deal are the West Australian clubs concerned at Virgin Blue's relative lack of leg room and restricted flight schedule compared to Qantas.
Players from Fremantle and West Coast have lodged complaints with the AFL Players' Association. Recruiting staff at several Melbourne-based clubs have indicated they will not be flying with Virgin Blue due to the restricted schedule. Virgin Blue carries about 10 per cent of Australia's domestic travellers.
West Coast boss Trevor Nisbett described his club's concerns as an ''occupational health and safety issue''.
''[The players] are extremely unhappy about Virgin and to what extent it will be able to accommodate the needs of footballers in rehabilitation mode and in terms of travel flexibility. Our people are already looking at how we are going to deal with this and the players' concerns are with the AFLPA.''
The Virgin Blue group's directors include Sam Mostyn, an AFL commissioner, although the league stressed Mostyn excluded herself from all discussions on the new agreement.
Virgin Blue was announced two weeks ago as the new official airline of the AFL in a deal worth at least $6 million annually with the league ditching its nine-year flying partner Qantas. It claimed that the airline's naming rights to the Socceroos, the Wallabies and its strong ties with rugby league meant Australian rules was not given preferential treatment.
In what is Australia's largest sports sponsorship deal in monetary terms for airlines, Virgin Blue will fly players, team staff and officials of the 17 teams for matches across Australia.
Recent reports put AFL-related tourism at about $400 million annually with the sponsorship giving Virgin Blue deeper access to that market as well as the AFL's extensive corporate connections. Some Virgin planes are expected to be fitted with extra business-class seating during 2011.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/virgin-deal-with-the-suns-angers-other-afl-clubs-20101130-18fcv.html
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It has also emerged that Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has put in writing what was building as a chorus of disapproval among the clubs over the Virgin deal. Kennett is understood to have fired off an angry letter to the AFL accusing the code's governing body of a lack of consultation in the significant decision to abandon Qantas.
Kennett echoed the thoughts of several clubs when he accused the AFL of abandoning the national carrier for reasons irrelevant to the weekly demands of football clubs travelling across the country.
Most angry at the new airline deal are the West Australian clubs concerned at Virgin Blue's relative lack of leg room and restricted flight schedule compared to Qantas.
Players from Fremantle and West Coast have lodged complaints with the AFL Players' Association. Recruiting staff at several Melbourne-based clubs have indicated they will not be flying with Virgin Blue due to the restricted schedule. Virgin Blue carries about 10 per cent of Australia's domestic travellers.
Virgin Blue was announced two weeks ago as the new official airline of the AFL in a deal worth at least $6 million annually with the league ditching its nine-year flying partner Qantas. It claimed that the airline's naming rights to the Socceroos, the Wallabies and its strong ties with rugby league meant Australian rules was not given preferential treatment.
In what is Australia's largest sports sponsorship deal in monetary terms for airlines, Virgin Blue will fly players, team staff and officials of the 17 teams for matches across Australia.
Recent reports put AFL-related tourism at about $400 million annually with the sponsorship giving Virgin Blue deeper access to that market as well as the AFL's extensive corporate connections. Some Virgin planes are expected to be fitted with extra business-class seating during 2011.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/virgin-deal-with-the-suns-angers-other-afl-clubs-20101130-18fcv.html
Despite what they say this just another another AFL based decision based solely on the $$$$ on the table ....
Andy D's crap about it's never just about the $$$$ but what's in the best interests of all our stakeholders has proven again to have more holes in it than swiss cheese
They did it with the last TV rights deal, they've done it with this and they'll do it with the next TV rights
I applaud the AFLPA & Kennett for making an issue about this. Based on an OH&S viewpoint it was a very very poor decision and one that could bite the AFL on the bum. If it does they would have deserved it
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It has also emerged that Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has put in writing what was building as a chorus of disapproval among the clubs over the Virgin deal. Kennett is understood to have fired off an angry letter to the AFL accusing the code's governing body of a lack of consultation in the significant decision to abandon Qantas.
Kennett echoed the thoughts of several clubs when he accused the AFL of abandoning the national carrier for reasons irrelevant to the weekly demands of football clubs travelling across the country.
Most angry at the new airline deal are the West Australian clubs concerned at Virgin Blue's relative lack of leg room and restricted flight schedule compared to Qantas.
Players from Fremantle and West Coast have lodged complaints with the AFL Players' Association. Recruiting staff at several Melbourne-based clubs have indicated they will not be flying with Virgin Blue due to the restricted schedule. Virgin Blue carries about 10 per cent of Australia's domestic travellers.
Virgin Blue was announced two weeks ago as the new official airline of the AFL in a deal worth at least $6 million annually with the league ditching its nine-year flying partner Qantas. It claimed that the airline's naming rights to the Socceroos, the Wallabies and its strong ties with rugby league meant Australian rules was not given preferential treatment.
In what is Australia's largest sports sponsorship deal in monetary terms for airlines, Virgin Blue will fly players, team staff and officials of the 17 teams for matches across Australia.
Recent reports put AFL-related tourism at about $400 million annually with the sponsorship giving Virgin Blue deeper access to that market as well as the AFL's extensive corporate connections. Some Virgin planes are expected to be fitted with extra business-class seating during 2011.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/virgin-deal-with-the-suns-angers-other-afl-clubs-20101130-18fcv.html
Despite what they say this just another another AFL based decision based solely on the $$$$ on the table ....
Andy D's crap about it's never just about the $$$$ but what's in the best interests of all our stakeholders has proven again to have more holes in it than swiss cheese
They did it with the last TV rights deal, they've done it with this and they'll do it with the next TV rights
I applaud the AFLPA & Kennett for making an issue about this. Based on an OH&S viewpoint it was a very very poor decision and one that could bite the AFL on the bum. If it does they would have deserved it
complete and utter rubbish.
why should Qantas have the sports market all to themselves. So the footballers cant get upgraded to business class for what 2 months. Well well well what a shame that is. All the players and the Kennetts out there cant clock up Frequent Flyer points anymore.
My heart bleeds
In case you hadnt noticed Virgin Blue will be upgrading their fleet to accomodate business class by June so really its 2 months the players will have to make do with premium seats.
They will also be annoucing extra schedules to accomodate the footballers. FACT!!
Qantas has had their time and they have proven lately that that have become complacent, particulary on safety.
I personally would rather support an airline that hires Australian maintenance staff than a company, sorry a "National Carrier" that employs maintenance staff off shore
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The AFL has enough money. They should buy a couple of jets that seat say 40 people each and they should fly the teams during the season.
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complete and utter rubbish.
why should Qantas have the sports market all to themselves. So the footballers cant get upgraded to business class for what 2 months. Well well well what a shame that is. All the players and the Kennetts out there cant clock up Frequent Flyer points anymore.
My heart bleeds
In case you hadnt noticed Virgin Blue will be upgrading their fleet to accomodate business class by June so really its 2 months the players will have to make do with premium seats.
They will also be annoucing extra schedules to accomodate the footballers. FACT!!
Qantas has had their time and they have proven lately that that have become complacent, particulary on safety.
I personally would rather support an airline that hires Australian maintenance staff than a company, sorry a "National Carrier" that employs maintenance staff off shore
daniel, with all due respect the facts are the AFL made this decision without consultation with the clubs that they are supposed to act on behalf of or the players who if we don't have them running around out on the grounds then we dont have a competition. Issue here which is Kennett and most other clubs and players are angry about is the no consultation!.
The offers on the table from the 2 parties which were similar in nature with the exception of 2 key points. 1/ was the guarantee not sponsor other sporting codes ::) (a staggering request from a non international sporting body but I digrese) and 2/ the $$$ on offer.
As always the AFL choose the $$$ because their track record in these things tell us they will always chose the greater $$$ over anything else, they don't think they don't plan they look at those $$$ signs and say let's go
And regarding QANTAS maintenace workers being off-shore. Again 2 points ;D
I must remember to tell a family friend who is a senior engineer for QANTAS that he is a fraud and liar because he's based here in Melb and keeps telling us that he works here in Aust - I'll call him on it
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Are you seriously telling me that Virgin Blue don't have maintenance workers overseas that services their planes before they fly back to Australia? Gee if they do they aren't very safety conscience or are they being complacent ;D
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complete and utter rubbish.
why should Qantas have the sports market all to themselves. So the footballers cant get upgraded to business class for what 2 months. Well well well what a shame that is. All the players and the Kennetts out there cant clock up Frequent Flyer points anymore.
My heart bleeds
In case you hadnt noticed Virgin Blue will be upgrading their fleet to accomodate business class by June so really its 2 months the players will have to make do with premium seats.
They will also be annoucing extra schedules to accomodate the footballers. FACT!!
Qantas has had their time and they have proven lately that that have become complacent, particulary on safety.
I personally would rather support an airline that hires Australian maintenance staff than a company, sorry a "National Carrier" that employs maintenance staff off shore
daniel, with all due respect the facts are the AFL made this decision without consultation with the clubs that they are supposed to act on behalf of or the players who if we don't have them running around out on the grounds then we dont have a competition. Issue here which is Kennett and most other clubs and players are angry about is the no consultation!.
The offers on the table from the 2 parties which were similar in nature with the exception of 2 key points. 1/ was the guarantee not sponsor other sporting codes ::) (a staggering request from a non international sporting body but I digrese) and 2/ the $$$ on offer.
As always the AFL choose the $$$ because their track record in these things tell us they will always chose the greater $$$ over anything else, they don't think they don't plan they look at those $$$ signs and say let's go
And regarding QANTAS maintenace workers being off-shore. Again 2 points ;D
I must remember to tell a family friend who is a senior engineer for QANTAS that he is a fraud and liar because he's based here in Melb and keeps telling us that he works here in Aust - I'll call him on it
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Are you seriously telling me that Virgin Blue don't have maintenance workers overseas that services their planes before they fly back to Australia? Gee if they do they aren't very safety conscience or are they being complacent ;D
now WP your friend who is based here in oz is probably one of only a few.
There are so many based off shore and putting our countries citizens at risk by doing so.
To answer your question Virgin Blue DO NOT send their maintenance off shore. FACT!!! If the plane is there for the night well then its a no brainer that it will get serviced there.
That is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about Qantas deliberately sending their planes to the Phillipines or Malaysia for cheap parts and cheap labour. Big difference, you should do your research a bit more thouroughly
As for ANDY D well the more money they secure the more beneficial it is for clubs like Richmond so im all for it. Like i said its more about players not clocking up Frequent Flyer Points and Business Class for 2 months till DJ introduces it, than anything else. Get Over it i say.
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now WP your friend who is based here in oz is probably one of only a few.
There are so many based off shore and putting our countries citizens at risk by doing so.
To answer your question Virgin Blue DO NOT send their maintenance off shore. FACT!!! If the plane is there for the night well then its a no brainer that it will get serviced there.
That is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about Qantas deliberately sending their planes to the Phillipines or Malaysia for cheap parts and cheap labour. Big difference, you should do your research a bit more thouroughly
Gee daniel I don't know how much more thorough I can be with my research seeing I know someone who is based in Aust, works for QANTAS as a senior Maintenance engineer and has explained to me how the off-shore maintenance thing works and how when required Aust based staff will go to all the places you mention if they are needed for bigger maintenance jobs outside normal servicing & repairs. Don't know how much more research I can do really
As for ANDY D well the more money they secure the more beneficial it is for clubs like Richmond so im all for it. Like i said its more about players not clocking up Frequent Flyer Points and Business Class for 2 months till DJ introduces it, than anything else. Get Over it i say.
Well that's good daniel,
And I'll make sure I remember that it's all about Frequent Flyer points when and if before June when we have 2 trips to the NT and if one of our players sustains an injury (knee ligament strain, bad hammy etc) that needs the said player to be upgraded that it's only about FF points and not player welfare :thumbsup
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And I'll make sure I remember that it's all about Frequent Flyer points when and if before June when we have 2 trips to the NT and if one of our players sustains an injury (knee ligament strain, bad hammy etc) that needs the said player to be upgraded that it's only about FF points and not player welfare :thumbsup
What's it got to do with player welfare? Virgin has upgrades to, it's not all cattle class.........
I love your loyalty WP but I think your being a little hysterical about the whole situation.
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And I'll make sure I remember that it's all about Frequent Flyer points when and if before June when we have 2 trips to the NT and if one of our players sustains an injury (knee ligament strain, bad hammy etc) that needs the said player to be upgraded that it's only about FF points and not player welfare :thumbsup
What's it got to do with player welfare? Virgin has upgrades to, it's not all cattle class.........
I love your loyalty WP but I think your being a little hysterical about the whole situation.
correct
Virgin have the ability to upgrade players to Premium and even allow them to have 2 premium seats which is even better than Business.
Some people just dont appreciate the good things that Andy D does. He is a man of integrity and this time has delivered the goods. ;)
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What's it got to do with player welfare? Virgin has upgrades to, it's not all cattle class.........
I love your loyalty WP but I think your being a little hysterical about the whole situation.
Upgrades on domestic flights?
Have you never had the pleasure of a flight from hell on Virgin - and it does happen. Personally I had a wonderful flight from Tassie once - we went up then we went down and we got bumped all around in perfect conditions with the cabin crew joking that we maybe might be going swimming shortly... When I got home and after I had a few days to calm down I thought rightly I should raise it with them (yes complain) I got told the comments by the crew were only made in jest
Hence why I don't fly Virgin Blue - only ever did it once and for a person who has a fear of flying once was definitely enough..
You dont think having a bloke who's done an ACL being squashed in cattle class isn't a welfare issue?
Some people just dont appreciate the good things that Andy D does. He is a man of integrity and this time has delivered the goods. ;)
If you think there is going to be any financial advantage to the clubs under this deal daniel you are dreaming. No $$ will flow through
And I wonder if you'd be so happy about it if (hypothetically the RFC were on verge of signing Jetstar as their major sponsor and now can't because of this terrific deal ;D
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What's it got to do with player welfare? Virgin has upgrades to, it's not all cattle class.........
I love your loyalty WP but I think your being a little hysterical about the whole situation.
Upgrades on domestic flights?
Have you never had the pleasure of a flight from hell on Virgin - and it does happen. Personally I had a wonderful flight from Tassie once - we went up then we went down and we got bumped all around in perfect conditions with the cabin crew joking that we maybe might be going swimming shortly... When I got home and after I had a few days to calm down I thought rightly I should raise it with them (yes complain) I got told the comments by the crew were only made in jest
Hence why I don't fly Virgin Blue - only ever did it once and for a person who has a fear of flying once was definitely enough..
You dont think having a bloke who's done an ACL being squashed in cattle class isn't a welfare issue?
Some people just dont appreciate the good things that Andy D does. He is a man of integrity and this time has delivered the goods. ;)
If you think there is going to be any financial advantage to the clubs under this deal daniel you are dreaming. No $$ will flow through
And I wonder if you'd be so happy about it if (hypothetically the RFC were on verge of signing Jetstar as their major sponsor and now can't because of this terrific deal ;D
Mate, I have had bad flights with all three airlines, IMO Jetstar has is the worst by miles but it happens to them all. I fly Virgin more often than not (Close to 4 times a week) and I an assure you 99.9% of the time there are no issues with the flights at all. If my memory serves me correctly it is qantas the has been in the news lately for close to 10 mid air incidents in the past 4 weeks? and lets not forget about the Plane that went into free fall over WA last year! Even when Virgin had there computer meltdown there service in helping people out was impeccable under the circumstances, I have been stranded with qantas and coped the suck it up attitude! service wise the two airlines are miles apart!
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What's it got to do with player welfare? Virgin has upgrades to, it's not all cattle class.........
I love your loyalty WP but I think your being a little hysterical about the whole situation.
Upgrades on domestic flights?
Have you never had the pleasure of a flight from hell on Virgin - and it does happen. Personally I had a wonderful flight from Tassie once - we went up then we went down and we got bumped all around in perfect conditions with the cabin crew joking that we maybe might be going swimming shortly... When I got home and after I had a few days to calm down I thought rightly I should raise it with them (yes complain) I got told the comments by the crew were only made in jest
Hence why I don't fly Virgin Blue - only ever did it once and for a person who has a fear of flying once was definitely enough..
You dont think having a bloke who's done an ACL being squashed in cattle class isn't a welfare issue?
Some people just dont appreciate the good things that Andy D does. He is a man of integrity and this time has delivered the goods. ;)
If you think there is going to be any financial advantage to the clubs under this deal daniel you are dreaming. No $$ will flow through
And I wonder if you'd be so happy about it if (hypothetically the RFC were on verge of signing Jetstar as their major sponsor and now can't because of this terrific deal ;D
your right i would do a back flip if Jetstar were about to become our major sponsor but we all know thats not going to happen so lets start dealing with reality.
Reality is you had one bad trip with Virgin and now hold this vendetta about all things Virgin. Thats some serious tears going on there.
WP if a guy had just done his ACL Virgin WILL accomodate him with 2 premium class seats. You must be living in la la land if you think they would put in in cattle class
This is a great outcome and possibly the first time Andy D should be applauded.
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WP if a guy had just done his ACL Virgin WILL accomodate him with 2 premium class seats. You must be living in la la land if you think they would put in in cattle class
Maybe WP can tell us what Qantas did in the same situation??
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Maybe WP can tell us what Qantas did in the same situation??
AUtomatic upgrade to business class :thumbsup
Reality is you had one bad trip with Virgin and now hold this vendetta about all things Virgin. Thats some serious tears going on there.
WP if a guy had just done his ACL Virgin WILL accomodate him with 2 premium class seats. You must be living in la la land if you think they would put in in cattle class
This is a great outcome and possibly the first time Andy D should be applauded.
Interesting no-one answered my original question about VB upgrades on domestic flights ??? I take it happes now in some form?
And you know what daniel you are right one bad experience is all it took. But it was extremely bad
And when you have a fear of flying like I do it only takes one bad flight to turn you off flying on a particular airline
That's why I will no longer fly Canadian Airlines as well - one bad flight
And to be honest with you fear of flying is not about tears it is about fear and until you experience it you have got no hope of understanding.
BTW I am not the only who refuses to fly Virgin BLue - I know a number of people who wont got near them either; just like I know peole who wont fly within Aust unless it's Virgin
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3aw were claiming today Andy D was kicked out of the Qantas club lol.
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Maybe WP can tell us what Qantas did in the same situation??
AUtomatic upgrade to business class :thumbsup
What's to say Virgin wont be doing the same thing?
Interesting no-one answered my original question about VB upgrades on domestic flights ??? I take it happes now in some form?
Sorry mate, I must have missed the part where you asked that question? And yes Virgin do have a premium Class, the same as business class on there domestic flights.
And you know what daniel you are right one bad experience is all it took. But it was extremely bad
And when you have a fear of flying like I do it only takes one bad flight to turn you off flying on a particular airline
That's why I will no longer fly Canadian Airlines as well - one bad flight
And to be honest with you fear of flying is not about tears it is about fear and until you experience it you have got no hope of understanding.
BTW I am not the only who refuses to fly Virgin BLue - I know a number of people who wont got near them either; just like I know people who wont fly within Aust unless it's Virgin
So let me get this straight, you are disgusted with the AFL for switching airlines because you have a fear of flying and the only Virgin flight you ever took was a little bumpy and it scared the hell out of you???
No wonder the world is going mad............
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So let me get this straight, you are disgusted with the AFL for switching airlines because you have a fear of flying and the only Virgin flight you ever took was a little bumpy and it scared the hell out of you???
No wonder the world is going mad............
First up I am glad you think a fear of flying amounts to nothing more than being scared during a bumpy flight - if only it was that simple.
It is actually alot worse than that. As I also metioned Virgin Blue isn't the only airline I wont go on because of bad experiences.
But the way I am reading it via the above (and forgive if I am off base) but you seem to think it isn't a serious problem so we will leave it at that
But in answer to why I am disgusted:
I am disgusted with the AFL for making the switch not because of my views on Virgin Blue but because they again let their stakeholders down with a lack of consultation.
My issue is and always has been that yet again they didn't consult with the Clubs they are supposed to represent, didn't consult with the AFLPA and seemed to have yet again chased the $$$$ rathering that assessing and evaluating what was in front of them alot like what they did with the last TV rights... Andy D constantly goes on about the AFL doesn't make decisions based solely on the $$$ involved but I am yet to find any evidence they do anything but only consider the $$$ on offer
Brett Burton prez of the AFLPA actually said today they weren't consulted prior but since the deal was announced and agreed to beu they (AFLPA) have since had meetings with the reps from Virgin Blue to dicsuss their concerns. He went onto say that a number of their concerns have been allayed and they are confortable with the deal. And I will admit that is pleasing to hear.
But I would have thought and would want to know why the meetings didn't happen prior to any deal being struck
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So let me get this straight, you are disgusted with the AFL for switching airlines because you have a fear of flying and the only Virgin flight you ever took was a little bumpy and it scared the hell out of you???
No wonder the world is going mad............
First up I am glad you think a fear of flying amounts to nothing more than being scared during a bumpy flight - if only it was that simple.
It is actually alot worse than that. As I also metioned Virgin Blue isn't the only airline I wont go on because of bad experiences.
But the way I am reading it via the above (and forgive if I am off base) but you seem to think it isn't a serious problem so we will leave it at that
But in answer to why I am disgusted:
I am disgusted with the AFL for making the switch not because of my views on Virgin Blue but because they again let their stakeholders down with a lack of consultation.
My issue is and always has been that yet again they didn't consult with the Clubs they are supposed to represent, didn't consult with the AFLPA and seemed to have yet again chased the $$$$ rathering that assessing and evaluating what was in front of them alot like what they did with the last TV rights... Andy D constantly goes on about the AFL doesn't make decisions based solely on the $$$ involved but I am yet to find any evidence they do anything but only consider the $$$ on offer
Brett Burton prez of the AFLPA actually said today they weren't consulted prior but since the deal was announced and agreed to beu they (AFLPA) have since had meetings with the reps from Virgin Blue to dicsuss their concerns. He went onto say that a number of their concerns have been allayed and they are confortable with the deal. And I will admit that is pleasing to hear.
But I would have thought and would want to know why the meetings didn't happen prior to any deal being struck
No worries WP, I don't want to argue with you and in a way I see your point with the way the AFL went about it, I just think you are a being a little unfair on Virgin considering you have only taken the one flight with them! For your sake I hope you never cop a bumpy ride with Qantas because it will be a long drive from state to state............
P.S If you thought the plane to Tassie was rough, you should try the boat ;)
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No worries WP, I don't want to argue with you and in a way I see your point with the way the AFL went about it, I just think you are a being a little unfair on Virgin considering you have only taken the one flight with them! For your sake I hope you never cop a bumpy ride with Qantas because it will be a long drive from state to state............
P.S If you thought the plane to Tassie was rough, you should try the boat ;)
:thumbsup ;D
I've never done the boat. I can't I get sea sick. Did the ferry years ago in NZ that was bad enough :rollin puked everywhere ;D
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No worries WP, I don't want to argue with you and in a way I see your point with the way the AFL went about it, I just think you are a being a little unfair on Virgin considering you have only taken the one flight with them! For your sake I hope you never cop a bumpy ride with Qantas because it will be a long drive from state to state............
P.S If you thought the plane to Tassie was rough, you should try the boat ;)
:thumbsup ;D
I've never done the boat. I can't I get sea sick. Did the ferry years ago in NZ that was bad enough :rollin puked everywhere ;D
lol......I wouldn't be going near the spirit of Tasmania then ;D ;D ;D
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Love Virgin. Comfy seats, Fox Sports, cheap tickets and the hottest hosties :thumbsup
Qantas is tired and overpriced and Jetstar has stuffed service and the smallest legroom.
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and Jetstar has stuffed service and the smallest legroom.
I wouldn't have though leg room would have been a big issue for a Gherkin? ;D
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Why is that pal? ???
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Why is that pal? ???
I didn't think Gherkins had legs??
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Old Greggy does though
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Old Greggy does though
Opp's, sorry if I'v offended you Gerks, as they say "assumption is the mother of all F@#% Up's" :-[ :-[
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nah dont worry mate, i assume you need to book two seats so you have enough head rests
i sometimes request an ottoman to rest the gerkin on, or a jar to keep it cool
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Caro said on 3AW last night that one of the requirements of the AFL's new Airlain agreement was that whoever go the gig they had to agree to be a major sponsor of the Gold Coast to the tune of $950K a season.
She reckons QANTAS refused and Virgin said OK and as a result Virgin got the gig and the Sunds are $950k better off without having to lift a finger
She said that is the other reason clubs are peeved - more preferential treatment for the Suns
I reckon if true then it's another example of the lack of ethics by the AFL and it sucks
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Caro said on 3AW last night that one of the requirements of the AFL's new Airlain agreement was that whoever go the gig they had to agree to be a major sponsor of the Gold Coast to the tune of $950K a season.
She reckons QANTAS refused and Virgin said OK and as a result Virgin got the gig and the Sunds are $950k better off without having to lift a finger
She said that is the other reason clubs are peeved - more preferential treatment for the Suns
I reckon if true then it's another example of the lack of ethics by the AFL and it sucks
what i dont understand is why do people make a fuss about us not being allowed to pouch Tiger Airways because of the Qantas alliance but the Pies are allowed to have Emirates as their sponsor even with Virgin's direct partnership with Etihad.
Clearly you are allowed to have any sponsor you like or is it that Pies can but no one else can.
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There is a list of protected sponsors, that is sponsors that clubs or players cannot take on sponsorship from competitors to. I'm not sure what exactly that list is but i think it is 5 in total.
My guess would be that considering the AFL have asked as part of the agreement that virgin do not sponsor other codes then the AFL would reciprocate by having virgin as a protected sponsor.
I think there was a disagreement between the AFL and docklands over edihad having naming rights but the stadium managers simply stuck to their guns.
As for tiger airways, March said that sports sponsorship was not on their agenda. Considering emirates sponsor colonwoood id also guess that quantas are not on the protected species list, or their sponsorship was in place before quantas came on board? Considering where Richmond are aiming for, would we really want sponsorship from a second rate unreliable company? :P
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There is a list of protected sponsors, that is sponsors that clubs or players cannot take on sponsorship from competitors to. I'm not sure what exactly that list is but i think it is 5 in total.
My guess would be that considering the AFL have asked as part of the agreement that virgin do not sponsor other codes then the AFL would reciprocate by having virgin as a protected sponsor.
I think there was a disagreement between the AFL and docklands over edihad having naming rights but the stadium managers simply stuck to their guns.
As for tiger airways, March said that sports sponsorship was not on their agenda. Considering emirates sponsor colonwoood id also guess that quantas are not on the protected species list, or their sponsorship was in place before quantas came on board? Considering where Richmond are aiming for, would we really want sponsorship from a second rate unreliable company? :P
Al im not suggesting Tiger is who we should aim for. I am the first to admit i cant stand the airline and yes they are second rate.
I am just baffled at how we cant generate a descent enough sponsor. Someone is not doing their job
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It's all Tom Hislop's fault
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what i dont understand is why do people make a fuss about us not being allowed to pouch Tiger Airways because of the Qantas alliance but the Pies are allowed to have Emirates as their sponsor even with Virgin's direct partnership with Etihad.
Clearly you are allowed to have any sponsor you like or is it that Pies can but no one else can.
daniel,
It isn't as simple as you've made out
As al has pointed out it is about certain sponsors being protected
Take Virgin Blue out of this for a minute and let's go back to the previous deal with QANTAS. The agreement QANTAS had with the AFL was with regard to Domestic carrying only not international.
Emirates is an International airline only and as such is not in competition with QANTAS domestic, hence why they are able to sponsor the Pies.
However, when the AFL was sponsored by QANTAS and they were deemed a "protected sponsor" and therefore the AFL would not allow either Virgin or Tiger Airways to sponsor WFL clubs unless QANTAS gave the OK - which when you are handing over $5mil a year you are entitled to that
Now Virgin Blue has the same right as QANTAS did previously with regard to Domestic airlines
The Etihad sook-a-thon between at the AFL & Docklands - that was AFL posturing to try and get better stadium deal
The issue here is the AFL have organised as part of their sponsorship deal and tacked on deal for Gold Coast. Which means they have been handed a lot of money for doing very little
Now hypothetically, if the RFC were to do a deal with say "Air NZ" or "Thai Airways" or another international carrier the AFL would be hard pressed to veto it becuase the the Emirates/Pies deal
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Deal resolves controversy over AFL airline change
* Michael Warner
* From: Herald Sun
* February 22, 2011
FOOTBALL'S airline saga has ended after Virgin Blue and the AFL agreed to improved arrangements for travelling players.
Under a deal struck by Virgin, league chiefs and the AFL Players' Association, players flying to and from interstate games will be guaranteed an exit row or premium economy seat.
If an upgrade is not available, a spare seat between teammates travelling in economy class will be guaranteed.
Players also will be granted unlimited access to Virgin's business class lounges, free in-flight entertainment and VIP check-ins.
The deal was made possible after the AFL agreed to increase the travel subsidy to accommodate five extra members of a club's travelling party.
"They are expanding it from 45 to 50 - so you effectively get five extra seats subsidised whatever way you want to use them," West Coast Eagles player delegate Adam Selwood said. "We were pretty happy once we got word."
The AFL cut ties with Qantas last year in favour of a $6 million deal with Virgin.
Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett led the charge against the move, claiming it put player welfare at risk.
Stars from several clubs also raised misgivings.
Players travelling with Qantas regularly were upgraded to business class, which Virgin currently does not offer. Premium economy seats offer extra leg room.
"The AFL and Virgin have listened to the concerns of AFL players and acted to ensure that their air travel arrangements reflected their status as elite sportspeople," AFLPA spokesman Ben Hart said.
"The feedback we have had from players is that Virgin were already very accommodating - our members have been impressed with the service to date.
"The further improvements agreed on by the AFL and Virgin are a great example of players and the governing body working in partnership to achieve good outcomes."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/deal-resolves-controversy-over-afl-airline-change/story-e6frf9jf-1226009713801
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AFL's sponsorship deal with Virgin Australia may be grounded
Jake Niall
The Age
21 April 2020
The future of the AFL's multi-million-dollar sponsorship with Virgin Australia is clouded as the airline prepares to place itself into voluntary administration.
Sources said the AFL receives between $5 million and $10 million per annum as part of their lucrative partnership with Virgin, but that the extent of any financial damage will be determined by the potential administrator and the contractual obligation under the sponsorship deal.
Virgin also has sponsorship deals with Carlton, Greater Western Sydney and Gold Coast, as well as the Supercars championship.
Read more: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-s-sponsorship-deal-with-virgin-australia-may-be-grounded-20200420-p54ll1.html
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Ummm that article is over 3 years old.
Carlton, GWS and GC lost their major sponsorship but the AFL deal remained.
Doh! Not sure why it appeared in my recent timeline. I'll delete the posts.
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So the Scum didn't lose 2 mil? >:(
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So the Scum didn't lose 2 mil? >:(
They did, just on 3 years ago ;D