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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: wayne on October 26, 2010, 11:11:30 AM
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A BLOCKBUSTER evening at Etihad Stadium involving matches between 2010 premier Collingwood, Carlton and Richmond will headline the opening weekend of the 2011 NAB Cup.
The fixture for the revamped pre-season competition was released on Tuesday, with the Magpies, Blues and Tigers drawn together in pool two.
They will do battle in a series of 40-minute, lightning premiership-style night games on Saturday, February 12.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=104572
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Richmond >>>>>>> Essendon ;D.
We probably won't last too long against two finals sides if they take it seriously but at least we don't travel and are still considered one of the big 3 crowd pullers.
You don't get much of a break b/w games either. 20 mins after Carlton and we've got to face the Pies who'll be fresh. I guess the one advantage of that is we'll be warmed up and could jump them with a game under our belt.
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Pool 2 times
Saturday Night, Feb 12 @ Etihad Stadium
Carlton vs Richmond 7:15pm
Richmond vs Collingwood 8.20pm
Carlton vs Collingwood 9:25pm
TV: Ten
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Only 78 Days, :gotigers
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Only 78 Days, :gotigers
That's what I wanna hear!!!
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Pool 2 times
Saturday Night, Feb 12 @ Etihad Stadium
Carlton vs Richmond 7:15pm
Richmond vs Collingwood 8.20pm
Carlton vs Collingwood 9:25pm
TV: Ten
9:09 Train home :thumbsup
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It's a pain that the games are being played at Ethiad. With three big drawing clubs I can only imagine the place being sold out which means I will have to get their B$%#^@ early. I've enjoyed rocking up ten minutes before the game in the past...
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It's better for us supporters to have back-to-back games. Imagine having to wait and sit through watching Carlton vs Collingwood :-X.
The Cheer squads fighting for possies is going to fun. Three cheer squads but only two goals to sit behind. Last one to find a goals to sit behind when the music stops has to leave.
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I thought someone here had already started a thread asking for everyone's NAB Cup squad but I can't find it. So if you have bump it up.
Here's mine.
B: Farmer Gourdis Moore
HB: Grigg Post Newman
C: Deledio Martin Morton
HF: Houli Astbury Conca
F: Vickery Riewoldt Nason
R: Graham Cotchin Foley
I: Derickx, Connors, Jackson, Edwards, Tuck, Taylor, Contin, Grimes
I haven't included Griffs due to him coming back from his shoulder even though March said he hopes he'll play round 1. I think Conca and Derickx are probably the closest of the newbies ready to go. Also apart from Jack out spine still isn't locked in.
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I thought someone here had already started a thread asking for everyone's NAB Cup squad but I can't find it. So if you have bump it up.
Here's mine.
B: Farmer Gourdis Moore
HB: Grigg Post Newman
C: Deledio Martin Morton
HF: Houli Astbury Conca
F: Vickery Riewoldt Nason
R: Graham Cotchin Foley
I: Derickx, Connors, Jackson, Edwards, Tuck, Taylor, Contin, Grimes
I haven't included Griffs due to him coming back from his shoulder even though March said he hopes he'll :thumbsupplay round 1. I think Conca and Derickx are probably the closest of the newbies ready to go. Also apart from Jack out spine still isn't locked in.
expect King to play mate..
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I thought someone here had already started a thread asking for everyone's NAB Cup squad but I can't find it. So if you have bump it up.
Here's mine.
B: Farmer Gourdis Moore
HB: Grigg Post Newman
C: Deledio Martin Morton
HF: Houli Astbury Conca
F: Vickery Riewoldt Nason
R: Graham Cotchin Foley
I: Derickx, Connors, Jackson, Edwards, Tuck, Taylor, Contin, Grimes
I haven't included Griffs due to him coming back from his shoulder even though March said he hopes he'll :thumbsupplay round 1. I think Conca and Derickx are probably the closest of the newbies ready to go. Also apart from Jack out spine still isn't locked in.
expect King to play mate..
You're right TTID but I'm hoping we eventually replace the Kings in the side with more highly talented youngsters for us to improve.
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You don't think king can maintain his form of the last 5-6 rounds MT?
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will miller play if Griff dosent? and Helbig would learn alot from reiwoldt and miller in this game
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woops i meen Mcdonald
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We could be playing Carlton's "A" team or "B" side in the NAB Cup. Teams who have the middle game off may play different sides in the first and third games.
AFL's split-round challenge
Jay Clark
Herald Sun
December 11, 2010
AFL clubs scheduled to play split games in the opening round of the revamped pre-season competition could field two different teams to combat the higher injury risk.
The 2011 NAB Cup features six pools of three teams, with each playing two games on the one night at the same venue.
Each game will consist of 20-minute halves.Six clubs face playing matches separated by a two-hour break.
The increased physical demands on players will almost certainly increase the risk of soft-tissue injury, especially for older players, one month before the regular season begins.
Rather than have to keep players active during the break, or allowing them to cool down entirely, clubs facing the extended break want to field a fresh side in the second game.
If permitted, clubs could use the maximum number of players - up to 48 - on their lists for the NAB Cup opener.
The teams scheduled to play split games are Geelong, Carlton, Essendon, Greater Western Sydney, Adelaide and West Coast.
Each will be helped by playing the opening round at its home ground, where recovery facilities will be on hand.
It is understood extra equipment such as exercise bikes will be sought.
The AFL Players' Association has vowed to take every precaution necessary to reduce players' exposure to injury in the competition.
"Following feedback from our members, we made submissions around aspects of the round-robin format," AFLPA spokesman Ben Hart said.
"These issues included expanding squads so that players were not forced to play in games one and three if that was going to unreasonably increase their chance of injury; and ensuring there are adequate medical and recovery resources for the players.
"We are now satisfied that the AFL has taken all these issues into account in setting up the new format.
"But as a matter of course we'll be seeking further feedback from our members following the pre-season competition and also keeping a close eye on injury rates."
It will be a challenge for Greater Western Sydney, expected to have only about 30 mostly inexperienced players from which to choose.
The AFL is said to be considering allowing clubs to name 30-man squads for the lightning premiership-style round from February 11-20.
The side that finishes on top of each of the six groups will move to round two, with the two next best teams - determined by win-loss and percentage - making up the finals pool.
After the opening week, the competition reverts to standard match conditions.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/split-round-challenge/story-e6frf9jf-1225969259785
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Practice match venues named
Herald Sun
December 17, 2010
ALICE Springs, Bunbury, Coffs Harbour, Southport and Shepparton are on the map for next year's NAB regional challenge.
The AFL today announced its schedule for the matches, which feature teams knocked out of the NAB Cup.
Games will be played in Alice Springs, Canberra and South Australia in the first week of the competition, with matches to be played at Lavington and Coffs Harbour (NSW), Southport (Qld), Bunbury WA), Shepparton and North Ballarat (Vic), Thebarton (SA), Aurora Stadium (Tas) and Casey Fields in outer suburban Melbourne as the competition progresses.
"The AFL has had a clear charter in the NAB Cup, but particularly in the NAB Challenge, to take matches to all parts of the country that don't normally get the opportunity to see top-level football during the regular season," AFL chief operating officer Gillon McLachlan said.
NAB CHALLENGE SCHEDULE
Week 1 – February 25-26, 2011
Alice Springs, Manuka Oval (unless scheduled for a NAB Cup match in this week) and South Australia, plus two Victorian venues tbc
Week 2 – March 4-5
Southport, Lavington, Bunbury and Shepparton, plus three Victorian venues tbc
Week 3 – March 11-12
Coffs Harbour, North Ballarat, Thebarton Oval and Aurora Stadium, plus one NSW venue and two Victorian venues tbc.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/practice-match-venues-named/story-e6frf9jf-1225972176826
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We'll only be allowed to make 3 changes between the Carlton and Collingwood mini-games....[/i
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CARLTON could field up to 40 players in their opening round of NAB Cup matches as clubs begin to formulate how best to handle the rejigged draw.
The Blues will meet Collingwood and Richmond in their opening group of round-robin matches on February 12 at Etihad Stadium. The revised format will have matches played in two 20-minute halves.
As the Blues have a 90-minute break between matches, Blues chief executive Greg Swann says as many as 40 players could be used.
''We have a quirk in the draw. We could nearly have two teams,'' he said.
The Blues will play the Tigers at 7.15pm and the Magpies at 9.25pm.
What the Blues will have to weigh up are the dangers of players cooling down and then having to warm up again.
The Magpies and Tigers, however, can only make three changes from their emergencies as their games are back-to-back.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-geelong-think-big-20110123-1a1dz.html
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How does that make sense?
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How does that make sense?
It doesn't. Even other clubs believe it's unfair. All clubs should be allowed to make as many changes as they wish between the two games.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/107005/default.aspx
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Tickets for round 1 of the NAB Cup on sale 9.00am Jan 31 (Monday)
General Admission: $24
Reserved (level 1): $30
Reserved (level 2): $35
http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/Carlton-tickets/artist/779378
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Should be able to leave after the Tigers games and get $8 back :whistle
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Under NAB Cup rules, the Blues have the option of fielding almost two completely different squads against Richmond and Collingwood at Etihad Stadium on February 12.
But Ratten said many of his players would compete in both matches, ensuring there was a heavy focus on their warm-up routine.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-plan-scientific-cup-strategy-20110130-1a9o9.html
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Tickets for round 1 of the NAB Cup on sale 9.00am Jan 31 (Monday)
General Admission: $24
Reserved (level 1): $30
Reserved (level 2): $35
http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/Carlton-tickets/artist/779378
Bump.
Tickets now on sale as of today.
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Foxsports.com.au tells you everything you need to know - and a few things you don't - about the AFL's NAB Cup
Richmond preview:
The Tigers could be in the most competitive group of the NAB Cup. It's a shame they've drawn Collingwood and Carlton, because Richmond are fit and healthy at this stage of the campaign. Skipper Chris Newman, along with Brett Deledio, have led the way on the track. Expect big years out of those two. Hard to see the Tigers beating both the Blues or Magpies but can push them in the shortened matches.
The odds (courtesy Centrebet.com)
Collingwood $3
St Kilda $4
Hawthorn $7
Geelong $8
Western Bulldogs $10
Fremantle $14
Carlton $17
Sydney $21
Melbourne $26
Adelaide $26
Kangaroos $51
Essendon $67
Brisbane $67
Gold Coast $101
Richmond $101
Port Adelaide $101
West Coast $126
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I don't know how anyone can make preseason cup predictions as it all depends on how seriously sides take it. Most seem to not be caring about the first week this year as the format is nothing like the real stuff. I've heard Hawthorn will be taking a 2nd string side over to Perth so I don't how the bookies have them as 3rd favourite.
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You'd have to put a couple of bucks on the Tige's considering the return and the unpredictability of the NAB cup. :thumbsup
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We're going with youth in the NAB Cup as well.
Hardwick said he expects to field a fairly youthful line-up - including Reece Conca, the Tigers' top draft pick from November's national draft - for the club's opening NAB Cup fixtures against Carlton and Collingwood on February 12.
More senior players will be introduced later in the NAB Cup and NAB Challenge series including midfielder Nathan Foley who's on the comeback trail after two injury-riddled seasons.
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/hawks,-hardwick-in-harmony-110414
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Will we have to wait till Friday to find out the team for Saturday night? :-\
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Will we have to wait till Friday to find out the team for Saturday night? :-\
Thursday the team should come out. A squad of 29 (18 + 6 interchange + 2 subs + 3 emergencies)
Here's the poster for Saturday night btw...
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/nab12011.jpg)
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Ch 7 news tonight said we'll be fielding a young side on Saturday night while Collingwood and Carlton will be fielding full strength sides. Hopefully it doesn't get ugly for us even over 20 minute halves :-\.
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Ch 7 news tonight said we'll be fielding a young side on Saturday night while Collingwood and Carlton will be fielding full strength sides. Hopefully it doesn't get ugly for us even over 20 minute halves :-\.
It may get ugly but a young side can hang in for the first half of normal games! The second game may be an issue though! I am finding it difficult to get excited over the Nab Cup, i think the Nab challenge will be a better indicator!
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I heard Judd isn't playing. Carlton will be at half strength :lol
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Astbury has the right attitude going into the games...
Richmond defender David Astbury said the games against two of last year's finalists was a perfect opportunity for the young Tigers to show off their pre-season gains.
"We've got a young list," Astbury said. "I suppose Saturday night is going to be a real opportunity to showcase the improvement that we've made."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/we-want-nab-cup-magpies/story-e6frf9jf-1226002308002
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We will be fielding a very young team on Saturday Night as the coaches don't want the more senior or 'important' players having an interrupted buildup to the season proper. Players such as Cotchin, Martin, Lids, Newy and Jack won't play until NAB 2.
Stripes
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From AstuteTiger on BF:
"Ok all just to give a heads up for people who want to sit near or in the cheer squad....the cheer squad will be located at Aisles 20 and 21, near the pocket at the La Trobe St end...collingwood have one end being the bourke st end and carl have the other end la trobe st end aisle 24 and these aisle locations for all the cheer squads were placed by the AFL..."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20139781&postcount=1
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We will be fielding a very young team on Saturday Night as the coaches don't want the more senior or 'important' players having an interrupted buildup to the season proper. Players such as Cotchin, Martin, Lids, Newy and Jack won't play until NAB 2.
Stripes
NAB round 2? what is this mysterious and elusive round you speak of? :rollin
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Tiger cubs prepare for 'Flagpies'
Jon Pierik
February 11, 2011
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says the scoreboard may be irrelevant when an inexperienced Tigers line-up takes on a Collingwood team featuring up to 16 premiership players in the NAB Cup round-robin opener tomorrow night.
While the Magpies appear keen to make an early statement and quash any concerns about a premiership hangover, the Tigers have opted for a more conservative approach.
The likes of skipper Chris Newman, Brett Deledio and Jack Riewoldt will miss matches against Carlton and the Magpies, so too key recruits Bachar Houli and Shaun Grigg.
Hardwick said the focus was on round one of the season proper, despite suggestions an impressive start to the pre-season would help kickstart the club's $6 million fundraising campaign.
''Whatever side we put out there, we think will be competitive,'' Hardwick said yesterday. ''There are a lot of things we are looking to gain from it, and the scoreboard is not necessarily one of them. We have a lot stuff that we have put into practice over the course of the pre-season that we are looking to come out on Saturday night.
''We are going to go in with a relatively young squad, an inexperienced squad but looking with eager eyes to see how the likes of [Reece] Conca, [Jake] Batchelor and [Tom] Derickx that we have just brought into our club go which is very exciting for our fans to see.''
Conca, a highly skilled midfielder, was the Tigers' No. 1 pick, sixth overall, in last year's national draft. Batchelor, a defender, was the club's second pick, while Derickx, a mature ruckman, was a late selection.
''That's probably what we are dead-set against, a short-term fix. That's one thing this footy club I think has decided - there are no more short cuts,'' Hardwick emphasised.
''We won't compromise anything we do. Our preparation for the NAB Cup is effectively round one. Whatever is best for our players come round one is how we suit up.''
The Tigers play in games one and two, against Carlton at 7.15pm and Collingwood at 8.20pm. The Magpies will be without skipper Nick Maxwell, Dane Swan, Travis Cloke, Alan Didak, Nathan Brown and Tyson Goldsack.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-cubs-prepare-for-flagpies-20110210-1aooa.html
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Our game is too fast and too difficult to have a last touch out of bounds rule. The umps don't have a clue. We'll never see it again after this NAB Cup.
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Dees through to the second round 2 winning both games. It's a mickey mouse comp. but their list is coming together :-\.
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Our game is too fast and too difficult to have a last touch out of bounds rule. The umps don't have a clue. We'll never see it again after this NAB Cup.
agree thank goodness its only a rule for the first round of the nab cup.
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Found it difficult to get motivated tonight watching the footy with all these rule changes.
I know tomorrow night will be different but these NAB rules are just sh1te. Puts me off.
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bloody hysterical all the crows fans cheering melbourne when they were playing port :lol
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Does anyone know if MMM will be telecasting the game tonight ? I dont mind SEN but to pick up AM on a tranny is hard at The Dome. But FM on the phone works a treat. I dont always listen to the broadcast at the game but i thought it might be a good idea for keeping track of our new guys. :)
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according to the AFL websitte they are,
http://www.afl.com.au/broadcast%20guide/tabid/9451/default.aspx#locd=VIC%20-%20Melbourne&round=Round%201
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I hate to be negative but I wonder what its going to feel like to lose twice in one day. :banghead
I just want us to be competitive.
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I hate to be negative but I wonder what its going to feel like to lose twice in one day. :banghead
I just want us to be competitive.
I'll be happy if some of the new lads show some potential.
:thumbsup
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according to the AFL websitte they are,
http://www.afl.com.au/broadcast%20guide/tabid/9451/default.aspx#locd=VIC%20-%20Melbourne&round=Round%201
Thanks heaps Al. :)
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Jon Ralph earlier today reckons it's going to get ugly for us tonight even in just 40 minutes :-\. Hopefully the young cubs surprise everyone.
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Jon Ralph earlier today reckons it's going to get ugly for us tonight even in just 40 minutes :-\. Hopefully the young cubs surprise everyone.
Screw Ralph malph. Isn't he the guy who drove into a pizza shop peeed?
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He's a Tiger supporter.
Grimes, O'Reilly and Gourdis not playing according to AFL live stats.
2. Will Thursfield, 10. Shane Edwards, 12. David Astbury, 13. Brad Miller, 18. Alex Rance, 19. Daniel Connors, 20. Mitch Morton, 21. Shane Tuck, 22. Ben Nason, 26. Robin Nahas, 28. Jake King, 29. Tyrone Vickery, 30. Reece Conca, 31. Jake Batchelor, 32. Brad Helbig, 34. Andrew Browne, 35. Matthew White, 36. Dean MacDonald, 39. Tom Derickx, 40. Kel Moore, 43. Matt Dea, 44. Troy Taylor, 46. Jeromey Webberley, 47. Ben Jakobi, 49. Pat Contin, 51. Nick Westhoff, 52. Mitch Keddell
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I hate to be negative but I wonder what its going to feel like to lose twice in one day. :banghead
I just want us to be competitive.
Pussy
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MacDonald and Jakobi the subs according to Ch 10. Nason, Webberley, Dea were 3 of the 6 on the bench.
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What a joke. We have to change in the car park ::).
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Bugger Kingy. That should have been nailed.
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Nice to see Ralph malph using his position to make negative comments. Eff off.
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Morts :thumbsup.
Only their first touch but Conca and Batchelor looks to have clean skills.
Rich 7
Carl 0
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So you can now take players down out of the air with no intention of going for the ball ::). Nason off
7 - 7
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Eff that tackle on nason. Weak Carlton girl
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Liking what I see from Conca. Will plAy 22 games this year
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What's Edwards doing tonight. 3 bad kicks out of 4.
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Tucky take the 6 point option next time :wallywink
Morts goals anyway :thumbsup .
Rich 14
Carl 7
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Edwards not clean. Astbury is a monster!
Morto Majik!!!
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Woohoo! Connors :gotigers
20 - 7
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How was that advantage. It was on the gorund rolling towards the pocket?
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Ah Vicks.
I'm loving this out of bounds rule :lol
22 - 7
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Good start. This intensity is fantastic. :thumbsup
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half-time
Rich 3.4-22
Carl 1.1-7
Goals: Morton 2, Connors
We're having a dip despite being understrength and the new boys look good so not much more you can ask for at this stage whatever happens in this second half.
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All those Match drills look to be paying orf.
Carlton look slow.
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How was that advantage. It was on the gorund rolling towards the pocket?
the rule that the player makes the advantage decision now?
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Another poor kick by Edwards that result in a turnover. He's having a shocker tonight.
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How was that advantage. It was on the gorund rolling towards the pocket?
the rule that the player makes the advantage decision now?
You're right TA but then the ump gives Carlton a second chance ::)
We'vre stopped running and our decsion making and skills have fallen away.
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what happened at 1/2 time?
Did Dimma tell everone to conserve their energy for Collingwood? :lol
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Rance, Dea and Nahas better improve ... its a farcical comp and these games arent worth a penny but these 3 boys need to get there fingers out because I can see them spending alot of time at Coburg in 2011 and not much time anywhere beyond 2011 except maybe the VFA.
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Ha. That was atrocious. :rollin
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Full-time
Rich 3.4 3.5-23
Carl 1.1 6.5-41
Goals: Morton 2, Connors
Final score isn't bad given the side we have on the park but one-way traffic in that second traffic and we hardly got it across centre. The young guys are stuffed already. Heaven help us against the rested Pies :help
I like the look of Conca. His footskills and vision are fantastic. They stand out like a neon sign against a few of his teammates who have neither. He just needs to build up his fitness over the next few years so he moves in the midfield.
Rance and Nahas will be playing at Coburg all year.
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What did people think of Conca Derickx and Batchelor?
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Conca needs to find more of the ball as he only had two kicks but IMO he will play the majority of games this year probably on a wing or flank coming on and off the bench. We need his classy footskills and vision.
Batchelor did a couple of nice things early on but then like most of his teammates disappeared from the game.
Derickx I didn't notice and he only had one handball so he didn't have an impact. Early days though as it's his first game at this level.
Btw where are all the Miller fans tonight?! Even Nick Westhoff at least took a mark on the lead inside 50.
Ha. That was atrocious. :rollin
Wait until the next game and the rested Pies get hold of us :help
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Ive decided to spend the next hour in here rather than watch or listen. I get the feeling we should be calling the cops and asking them to arrest the pies for assault shortly.
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Another poor kick by Edwards that result in a turnover. He's having a shocker tonight.
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Carltons best player was Edwards
Lets hope he hasnt taken his improvement last year for granted as he wont get a game on that stuff.
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Inspirational performance :nope. Where do I sign up to get on this bandwagon lol
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Leigh Brown run down and drops the ball is play on but Whitey does the same and it's holding the ball ???
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Carltons best player was Edwards
LOL
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can we get some progress scores please for those of us not listening or watching. thanks.
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Get off Nahas.
Weak as pee.
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Pies 3.3 to Rich 0.1
just before half time
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Edwards >:(
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Pies 3.4 to Rich 0.1
half time
thank stuff there is only 20 minutes of this crap to go.
:banghead
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Considering we are being absolutely belted at least our defense is holding up well.
But stuff me Edwards has been a disgrace. The rest haven't been atrocious, although miller has been absent.
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Good signs are the tackling pressure, there seems to be waves of it now and they're sticking a lot of them.
Decision making and I think just a lack of experience are letting us down. Oh, and the kick-in/shepard tactic.... it's not working.
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Edwards, what a star he is.
I nominate him for Carlton & Collingwood best player round 1 NA cup 2011
:chuck :chuck :chuck
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can people at least some positives ... anyone shown anything in the 2nd game at all?
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Half-time
Rich 0.1-1
Coll 3.4-22
We've had more possies but 90% of them have been inside our back 50. We just can't get it out of there. Inside forward 50s are 4-15. We've tried to play on from the kick-ins to kick over the zone but the Pies know what we are trying to do and the kick-iner is getting caught as soon as he leaves the goalsquare :P.
The only minor positive is Derickx is at least even in the hitouts although we're getting killed out of the centre as well. No surprise given our mids aren't playing.
Edwards >:(
He's been woeful tonight. This is his 5th year so inexperience is no longer an excuse.
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can people at least some positives ... anyone shown anything in the 2nd game at all?
Derickx wasn't too bad in the ruck contests in that first half. At least he's contesting.
This is Collingwood vs Coburg so what we are seeing is no surprise.
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good pressure for a half against the blues before capitulating.
i thought our intensity and effort against the pies in the 1st half was spirited. Pies are just cruising however.
Like the look of Conca and Batchelor - mcdonalds run down was a highlight. Edwards wow superbad haha
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can people at least some positives ... anyone shown anything in the 2nd game at all?
team defense. We should be 7 or 8 goals down.
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Well if people think that Conca, Batchelor, Derricks all showed something then that has to be taken as a positive IMHO. We are playing with a Coburg standard team. Although some of the experienced players ie. Edwards, Rance, White etc. really seemed to have been poor going by what is being written in the forums.
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Derickx has just pulled in 2 big marks in a row - starting to look pretty comfortable out there - in all honesty i dont think rance has been bad - i think hes looked more comfortable out there than the usual deer in headlights - his kicks are measured and hes been ok.
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Have Conca or Batchelor shown anything in this game?
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i like astbury where he i at CFB - FB? just not getting enough help i think.
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Have Conca or Batchelor shown anything in this game?
yep, neither have starred but Conca is a very nice kick and batchelor doesn't look out of place.
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Pies seem to be playing Phil Jackson's triangle offense but on a larger scale the way they run together.
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FWIW best player tonight? probably astbury - he looks so self asured and measured out there - plus hes already a unit :thumbsup
If you want to take anything out of the game you'd probably say positives - our team defensive pressure looked good for about 2 quarters tonight with an understrength side. Players like Batchelor, conca and derickx & Taylor showed enough to suggest they'll get plenty of game time this year. Players like Grimes, jakobi, mcdonald, helbig & contin got a taste.
negatives - just the usual, once we get bossed at the contest we become stationary and had zero run.
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Same spuds as always making the errors.
Edwards (terrible, no chance for round one on this performance)
White (as above, just rotten skills)
Rance (sorry got a bit of the ball but gives me chills every time he goes to move)
Positives - Browne did well 1st game, Derickx Ok, Bachelor & Conca OK,
Was to be expected but still stings losing badly to these pricks. Still a long, long, long way off Collingwood
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Nahas has to go.
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The love for Collingwood in that match from the commentators was sickening.
I have an instant manlove for Helbig, tackled by Daisy Thomas and as he was brought down he drove the elbow right into his throat and had a scuffle. :thumbsup
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Nahas has to go.
Nahas and White have to be on top of the delist pile already. They don't offer anything, they're very dumb footballers.
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Same spuds as always making the errors.
Edwards (terrible, no chance for round one on this performance)
White (as above, just rotten skills)
Rance (sorry got a bit of the ball but gives me chills every time he goes to move)
Positives - Browne did well 1st game, Derickx Ok, Bachelor & Conca OK,
Was to be expected but still stings losing badly to these pricks. Still a long, long, long way off Collingwood
I will certainly grant you white and Edwards being subpar but rance did just fine after his nerves settled against Carlton and I thought he was one of our better ones vs the pies.
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Edwards wouldn't even get a position as Carltons emergency fluffer.
And as for Nahas..... :banghead
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Nahas has to go.
Nahas and White have to be on top of the delist pile already. They don't offer anything, they're very dumb footballers.
Agreed, agreed and agreed.
Mid 20s mediocity.
Wipe them like a dirty arse
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Edwards got more of the ball than anyone else, may have had a few more clangers because of this but hey it's the law of averages......he will play all 22 games plus 2 finals this season, mark my words.......
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Pay contin looks like Joel selwood ...
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Edwards got more of the ball than anyone else, may have had a few more clangers because of this but hey it's the law of averages......he will play all 22 games plus 2 finals this season, mark my words.......
Oh dear.
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I said the same 12 months ago
I will say the same again.
I never ever want to see Rance or Nahas again.
Rance is an absolute disgrace
Is slow and cant read the game
Nahas can spend the year at Coburg
And you can add Vickery as well.
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I said the same 12 months ago
I will say the same again.
I never ever want to see Rance or Nahas again.
Rance is an absolute disgrace
Is slow and cant read the game
Nahas can spend the year at Coburg
And you can add Vickery as well.
And so it begins (again)
:lol
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
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I said the same 12 months ago
I will say the same again.
I never ever want to see Rance or Nahas again.
Rance is an absolute disgrace
Is slow and cant read the game
Nahas can spend the year at Coburg
And you can add Vickery as well.
And so it begins (again)
:lol
I just got home, didnt you go ?
It was a disgrace
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We should have traded Nahas for a second hand washing machine, and half a pidgeon sub.
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We should have traded Nahas for a second hand washing machine, and half a pidgeon sub.
Totally agree, and even add Rance as well
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I said the same 12 months ago
I will say the same again.
I never ever want to see Rance or Nahas again.
Rance is an absolute disgrace
Is slow and cant read the game
Nahas can spend the year at Coburg
And you can add Vickery as well.
Agree!
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We should have traded Nahas for a second hand washing machine, and half a pidgeon sub.
Totally agree, and even add Rance as well
Undecided on Rance.
But can I get some support to offload Matt White for 5kg of Urine Cakes?
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I really like Derrickx.no 39 :thumbsup
Grimes looks okay as well
Batchelor looks classy
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But can I get some support to offload Matt White for 5kg of Urine Cakes?
Lucky for you he wouldn't even pee on you if you were on fire.
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But can I get some support to offload Matt White for 5kg of Urine Cakes?
Lucky for you he wouldn't even pee on you if you were on fire.
I'd drink it if it guaranteed he never to took the field again.
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We should have traded Nahas for a second hand washing machine, and half a pidgeon sub.
Totally agree, and even add Rance as well
Undecided on Rance.
Rance was clearly better in the second game and took some nice marks overhead in defence but long-term he doesn't have a solid natural footskills to be a rebounding tall out of defence.
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Rance is too slow, forget about him,
Better off giving Grimes a go
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Same spuds as always making the errors.
Edwards (terrible, no chance for round one on this performance)
White (as above, just rotten skills)
Rance (sorry got a bit of the ball but gives me chills every time he goes to move)
Positives - Browne did well 1st game, Derickx Ok, Bachelor & Conca OK,
Was to be expected but still stings losing badly to these pricks. Still a long, long, long way off Collingwood
Just returned from the game and Pmac your spot on. Adding to that i really liked DerickX i thought he tackled and chased hard for a big man. Morton will slit right into my super coach this year i see big things for him. Astbury looks the goods down back. Will become our general IMO.
Nahas will slot straight into the best 22 at COBURG RESERVES. stuff me dead what a dud he is. Edwards well we wont be winning a flag if he keeps playing in this team
Nason as usual gets thrown to the ground far too easily, I watch guys like Blair from Collingwood and never do they get thrown about but Nason well too much of a lightweight IMO.
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I really like Derrickx.no 39 :thumbsup
Grimes looks okay as well
Batchelor looks classy
mate i saw him chase and tackle tonight something i rarely see from that Vickery and even Graham at times.
On tonights performance i would keep playing DerickX ahead of Vickery.
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Same spuds as always making the errors.
Edwards (terrible, no chance for round one on this performance)
White (as above, just rotten skills)
Rance (sorry got a bit of the ball but gives me chills every time he goes to move)
Positives - Browne did well 1st game, Derickx Ok, Bachelor & Conca OK,
Was to be expected but still stings losing badly to these pricks. Still a long, long, long way off Collingwood
Nahas will slot straight into the best 22 at COBURG RESERVES. stuff me dead what a dud he is.
You're over rating him.
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
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Edwards should have built up some points from last year.
Bit of ahame that Collingwood and Carlton both played many senior players but it gave us a cahnce to have a good look at the new kids and quite frankly they all show enough for their first game.
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I just saw both games on tv.
Based on what i saw tonight the criticisms of rance tonight are extremely overdone. Most of his kicks were to teammates, only saw 1 real bad one. He wasnt as slow as Jack has said and at times linked well.
I like batchelor - I think he showed he will be a very stable player from a back pocket - half back flank.
Conca can kick really well and when he gets into a midfield with our full compliment will be able to do and show more.
Derrickx took a couple of nice marks. Needs to work on Ruck work a little bit. Wouldnt mind seeing him in a key forward post to see how he handles that.
Miller shouldnt have been taken by us in any draft - even for experience.
Vickery is 3 years away at least.
We still have a long way to go.
Overall I thought we were good for 20 minutes against Carlton and 18 minutes of the first 20 against Collingwood. Overall not a bad showing considering the team we put out to play.
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I just saw both games on tv.
Based on what i saw tonight the criticisms of rance tonight are extremely overdone. Most of his kicks were to teammates, only saw 1 real bad one. He wasnt as slow as Jack has said and at times linked well.
I like batchelor - I think he showed he will be a very stable player from a back pocket - half back flank.
Conca can kick really well and when he gets into a midfield with our full compliment will be able to do and show more.
Derrickx took a couple of nice marks. Needs to work on Ruck work a little bit. Wouldnt mind seeing him in a key forward post to see how he handles that.
Miller shouldnt have been taken by us in any draft - even for experience.
Vickery is 3 years away at least.
Overall I thought we were good for 20 minutes against Carlton and 18 minutes of the first 20 against Collingwood. Overall not a bad showing considering the team we put out to play.
Couldn't agree more! :thumbsup
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Ok, so we played a mickey mouse game, with crap rules and half a team and got belted in a difficult pool! Who cares?
The speed of the game is bound to be quicker due to the short nature of the game and that will find out our kids!
We played a second game against the premiers who ran out fresh from the rooms. Now when i play i find it difficult to get moving again after half time sometimes (maybe because i am nearing the end than the start of my career!)
It is frustrating to watch but it was inevitable! Wait for round one!
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All things considered i was happy with the overall performance from what is basically a reserves side, with many players who have very few or no senior games experience.
At no stage did we allow a near full strength opposition to totally overrun us.
You don't have to see much of conca to know he will be a very good footballer if he makes the grade. His vision, decision making and skills are spot on.
Batchelor looks like he has nice skills too.
Astbury was standout. did make some mistakes but at times his decision making and skills off half back neared sublime. He is a natural footballer.
Derrickx just got better the longer he went on. some strong marks toward the end of the game were encouraging and his efforts after the ball went to ground from a ruck contest put our other ruckmen to shame. Is it too big a call to have him in front of Browne after one game?
Of vickery, still is not ready i don't believe. Still needs another year or twoand is a good argument as why we need our resreves team so he can be be developed at a lower level exactly how the coaching staff decree.
Nahas white and edwards specifically seemed to be under instructions to take the play on. Last night they were up against better defences than they would have been practicing against so id imagine they were finding it a little more difficult to break the lines, as was shown by the number of times they were caught or pressured into turnovers. It will be interesting to see how this tactic pans out over time and with a more experienced team.
Of these three i still find nahas the biggest concern. He looks to have found that extra yard of pace that he seemed to have lost year, but he is still a dumb footballer. He has a lot of trouble absorbing the pressure rather than "deferring" it. Not as bad as as last year but really panics the closer he is to being tackled.
White didnt do much to impress but showed glimpses. First game of the season i'm prepared to cut him some slack, as i think he has something to offer. He just has to show that something more often. Make or break for him this year.
Edwards got a lot of the pill but particularly early on his disposal was ordinary. Again i'm prepared to cut him slack for the first game of the year.
With all three of these players and the role they were asked to play we need to remember that the step up they had to make last night from from training was enormous. Being asked to break the lines by playing on all the time against well drilled opposition, without our prime onballers to help by blocking and create space would be a bit more difficult than they found at practice.
Contin showed glimpses and looks like he knows where to position himself to get the pill.
Mcdonald's run down and tackle was a nice. Didn't someone say he was lazy, slow and overweight?
Overall the structures held up well, (again, all things considered). You could see the "press" at all lines early on. It broke down a bit as the night wore on, but that was to be expected.
Obviously i want to see improvement in our best 22, but for our futures sake the thing i want to see most is coburg winning games on the backs of the performance of the last few years' draftees and from last night i think we may start to see that.
If we look back to our NAB game last year and early rounds season proper, from our best 22 (thought to be at the time, anyway), then last nights performance from a second string side shows just how far we have come as a club in that time.
Yeah it would have been nice to have got through to the next round, as now i wont see them again until round 1, but I never expected that to happen anyway.
All things considered, pretty content about things.
:gotigers
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Good summation Al, agree with pretty much all that.
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Good Summary Al
Would add that Helbig and Cotin showed enough to suggest they could make it in time.
Miller might be a good coach but just didnt look fast enough or ability to jump last night, the jurys out but he needs to show a bit more if he is to be of any value as a player.
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I thought Nick Westoff struggled big time looked so lost out there. Needs alot more time to develop, we need to be patient
At one point he literally just stood watching the play because he didn't know what to do
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He was one of the last blokes taken in a rookie draft...I'm not expecting much. :lol
Hate Westhoffs. Skinny pricks
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
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LMFAO
:lol
Great to have the footy back. :cheers
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Anyone reading too much into the losses would have to be mad, please. Don't just pick out individuals, wait until we are at full strength before we even contemplate finding out the strugglers for the year. Ty Vickery, he may end up doing a Riewoldt and that will shut a few up. 16 players out of our top 22 including our entire midfield......these games are worthless to me now.
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Vickery doing a Riewoldt? Winning a coleman or posing nude with Zac Dawson?
???
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Vickery doing a Riewoldt? Winning a coleman or posing nude with Zac Dawson?
???
:lol
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Anyone reading too much into the losses would have to be mad, please. Don't just pick out individuals, wait until we are at full strength before we even contemplate finding out the strugglers for the year. Ty Vickery, he may end up doing a Riewoldt and that will shut a few up. 16 players out of our top 22 including our entire midfield......these games are worthless to me now.
Not too sure about that WAT. DerickX played a better game than any game i have seen Vickery play.
He just looks lost out there and you have to question what influence his old man had on his selection.
The bloke has to start putting his body on the line not backing out as he has shown to do many times.
Browne/DerickX/Gus should be our options against the Blues. If anything Vickery up forward but Coburg is where he should learn what to do
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Anyone reading too much into the losses would have to be mad, please. Don't just pick out individuals, wait until we are at full strength before we even contemplate finding out the strugglers for the year. Ty Vickery, he may end up doing a Riewoldt and that will shut a few up. 16 players out of our top 22 including our entire midfield......these games are worthless to me now.
Not too sure about that WAT. DerickX played a better game than any game i have seen Vickery play.
He just looks lost out there and you have to question what influence his old man had on his selection.
The bloke has to start putting his body on the line not backing out as he has shown to do many times.
Browne/DerickX/Gus should be our options against the Blues. If anything Vickery up forward but Coburg is where he should learn what to do
Agree.
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Some pics from last night's matches
Rich vs Carl:
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=104945419&EditorialProduct=Sport#
http://images.slatterymedia.com/photography/results/?q=collection:AFL 2011 NAB Cup Rd 01 - Carlton v Richmond&sub_code=all
Rich vs Coll:
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=105398215&EditorialProduct=Sport#
http://images.slatterymedia.com/photography/results/?q=collection:AFL 2011 NAB Cup Rd 01 - Richmond v Collingwood&sub_code=all
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
He's contracted until the end of 2012 I believe.
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
He would have to be 4th choice ruckman atm.
Which means he can't play R1 unless something pretty major changes in the next few weeks.
No biggie, hes just nowhere near ready to be playing senior footy.
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Vickery doing a Riewoldt? Winning a coleman or posing nude with Zac Dawson?
???
Davey, I meant getting his act together, with Riewoldt it just klicked last year, a lot of posters on this site were calling him a dud and wanting to get rid of him since he came to the club. He was going through what Vickery is now. Lets just give him time to develop...thats all I was saying.
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
He would have to be 4th choice ruckman atm.
He's also the 3rd youngest ruckman on our list, only by 2 months over Andrew Browne. Not that sure how far ahead Browne is of him either, certainly not much.
Which means he can't play R1 unless something pretty major changes in the next few weeks.
No biggie, hes just nowhere near ready to be playing senior footy.
Probably why he's been training to play forward more this season
Ball didn't get down there much though did it?
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I didn't get a chance to jump on last night after coming home from the game or today but I left the game feeling pretty peed off...by the dirty f%#$ Carlskum supporters behind me that wouldn't stop screaming all game. I haven't been to a game in years where a group of dirty drunken dicks and skanks have been so downright annoying. :banghead
Anyway to the game itself....
Astbury showed enough for mine to say he will become our CHB for many years to come. Great poise, skills and strength for a second year player. Very, very impressed! :clapping
Derickx was surprizingly good in the second game when he was given the first ruck dutues. His marking and skills were terrific and I felt much superior to Browne in the game earlier. I think he should be played in the 3rd forward/support ruck role this year over Vickery until Vickery outperforms him.
Batchelor was impressive across half back and has a beautiful penetrating left boot. Interesting how this then allowed Connors up on the wing too.
McDonald only popped up a couple of times but looks good. Tough, fast but does need more endurance. His shot for goal was blown from him trying to suck in enough air to steady himself. Great prospect though.
Conca is too small currently as you would expect at this stage of his career but is everything people have been saying about him. Still a couple of seasons away from breaking into our midfield constently imho
Moron was good, Connors not bad, Contin showed enough. Morre and Thursty were solid. Taylor took some nice grabs. Captain Kingy was barely noticable.
Rance reads the play well and knows where to run, take a grab and defend...but he still looks frantic with the pill in his mits. He is still doing the old 360 degree malarky when he runs into an opponent and makes some terrible decisions. Keep the ball out of his hands, he's fine but otherwise another year in Coburg awaits.
Nahas was reported to have had a great preseason....reportedly :whistle Nancy was smashed but at least he still went in hard despite his size.
Edwards made some woeful mistakes but I'll give him some latitude after the credit he built up last year. At least for now.
For a player, Miller makes a great emergency/depth forward and coach because tonight he did nothing to say he should get a game over Griffiths or even Post.
Overall, I was pleased that some of our young fellows showed glimpses and happy that we may have added to our depth. I'm desperately looking forward to bringing our more senior players back in and giving Carlton a touch up. Just can't stand the club, players and particularly their supporters! :chuck
Stripes
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Vickery doing a Riewoldt? Winning a coleman or posing nude with Zac Dawson?
???
Davey, I meant getting his act together, with Riewoldt it just klicked last year, a lot of posters on this site were calling him a dud and wanting to get rid of him since he came to the club. He was going through what Vickery is now. Lets just give him time to develop...thats all I was saying.
Who was saying that? :o Jack kicked 30 goals as a 21 year old in 09...I wasn't too worried about him. His first half of that year was horribly bad but his 2nd half was really good.
I think Jack had shown a lot more at that age than what Vickery has done so far. Fair point though...it is Ty's 3rd season. Has time on his side
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Vickery doing a Riewoldt? Winning a coleman or posing nude with Zac Dawson?
???
Davey, I meant getting his act together, with Riewoldt it just klicked last year, a lot of posters on this site were calling him a dud and wanting to get rid of him since he came to the club. He was going through what Vickery is now. Lets just give him time to develop...thats all I was saying.
Who was saying that? :o Jack kicked 30 goals as a 21 year old in 09...I wasn't too worried about him. His first half of that year was horribly bad but his 2nd half was really good.
I think Jack had shown a lot more at that age than what Vickery has done so far. Fair point though...it is Ty's 3rd season. Has time on his side
Taller the player, the longer it takes to come good. Vickery should be compared to other ruckmen, not key forwards.
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He reminds me of Barry Brooks
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He reminds me of Barry Brooks
You're up late, you have a wife gone into labour or something (like me!)
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Nah mate, just up from my regular 2-3 hours of sleep. At least I am sober this time
Good luck wit the missus :thumbsup
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Champagne effort that. The missus is in labour and it's oer time ;D
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Cheers Fellas.
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Moron was good, Connors not bad ...
You got something against Mitch? :-\
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I didn't get a chance to jump on last night after coming home from the game or today but I left the game feeling pretty peed off...by the dirty f%#$ Carlskum supporters behind me that wouldn't stop screaming all game. I haven't been to a game in years where a group of dirty drunken dicks and skanks have been so downright annoying. :banghead
Someone should set up a charity where we can all chip in and buy Carlton supporters another eyebrow :lol
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Champagne effort that. The missus is in labour and it's oer time ;D
:lol
All the best with it all HRT. :thumbsup
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Good luck wit the missus :thumbsup
She's ready to give birth so that happened months ago .
:cheers @ HRT
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Considering there is still 7 weeks until round 1, basically one third of a season, and the top shelf of our list was rested, i dont think i'll read too much into saturday night. First game of the pre-season, you've got B and C graders trying to step up and fill the shoes of our A graders with half a side of first time D graders to support them. I'm sure Dimma & Co. didn't mind having a good look at our round 1 and 4 opponents while giving them a good look at Coburg ;)
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
He would have to be 4th choice ruckman atm.
He's also the 3rd youngest ruckman on our list, only by 2 months over Andrew Browne. Not that sure how far ahead Browne is of him either, certainly not much.
Which means he can't play R1 unless something pretty major changes in the next few weeks.
No biggie, hes just nowhere near ready to be playing senior footy.
Probably why he's been training to play forward more this season
Ball didn't get down there much though did it?
My thoughts are that Vickery will be gone at years end, ala Patterson
Mail from other club scouts tell me that he isnt rated and wouldnt be in our best 25.
he wont get the forward position as Griffiths and Post will get them
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Of course he's not rated yet, he's only a 20 year old ruckman and there are very few cases of them doing much for a good 4-5 years at least
Look how long Paddy Ryder was playing before he stepped up in the Anzac match in 2009, everyone thought he was a dud for the first 3 years, he's also shorter and more mobile, Vickery is on more of a traditional ruckman development path.
If he's not showing anything by the 2013 season then I'll start to worry
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Moron was good, Connors not bad ...
You got something against Mitch? :-\
I rate Mitch highly. Was great in the first half of the Skumbaggers game and good from then on so therefore my rating. I think this year he will step up further to become a great wingman/small forward.
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I didn't get a chance to jump on last night after coming home from the game or today but I left the game feeling pretty peed off...by the dirty f%#$ Carlskum supporters behind me that wouldn't stop screaming all game. I haven't been to a game in years where a group of dirty drunken dicks and skanks have been so downright annoying. :banghead
Someone should set up a charity where we can all chip in and buy Carlton supporters another eyebrow :lol
..and give them all their shots too! The slobbering, frenzy look on most of their faces would usually suggest rabies in most species... :help
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
not so much break out yrs but ruckmen who have at least shown a bit. roughhead at wb drafted 08. naitanui wce 08. kruezer 07. warnock at wafl really looked a player. freos zac clark very skinny like vickery actually shows more than vickery.
in fact i reckon if i went thru nearly all ruckmen on lists they would have shown more than vickery in their early seasons. the real knock on vickery is he has shown very little he has stagnated.
in saying this he has a little time on his hands but he really needs to show some sort of improvement. without a doubt he should be at coburg.
without doubt we targeted someone like derickx because neither vickery or browne are up to it yet.
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Champagne effort that. The missus is in labour and it's oer time ;D
Another Tiger arrived today with a mighty hard roar.
Could be key position sized.
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Champagne effort that. The missus is in labour and it's oer time ;D
Another Tiger arrived today with a mighty hard roar.
Could be key position sized.
Well done HRT. :clapping A boy I take it.
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Champagne effort that. The missus is in labour and it's oer time ;D
Another Tiger arrived today with a mighty hard roar.
Could be key position sized.
Yep, cheers
Well done HRT. :clapping A boy I take it.
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Well done mate :cheers
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He reminds me of Barry Brooks
You're up late, you have a wife gone into labour or something (like me!)
mines due 2 August. Man they are an emotional bunch in this time or is it just me. Im tempted to start making appointments after hours so i get home late..lol
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
not so much break out yrs but ruckmen who have at least shown a bit. roughhead at wb drafted 08. naitanui wce 08. kruezer 07. warnock at wafl really looked a player. freos zac clark very skinny like vickery actually shows more than vickery.
in fact i reckon if i went thru nearly all ruckmen on lists they would have shown more than vickery in their early seasons. the real knock on vickery is he has shown very little he has stagnated.
in saying this he has a little time on his hands but he really needs to show some sort of improvement. without a doubt he should be at coburg.
without doubt we targeted someone like derickx because neither vickery or browne are up to it yet.
Sorry but you are grasping at straws with some of those selections. Either Top 2 picks or haven't shown that much, some haven't even played AFL, what a joke.
Vickery & Browne are both 20 years old, they shouldn't be expected to be up to it yet, especially considering we are needing a #1 ruckman, not a youngster who can play 2nd fiddle to an older more mature body.
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Champagne effort that. The missus is in labour and it's oer time ;D
Another Tiger arrived today with a mighty hard roar.
Could be key position sized.
Top work mate :thumbsup
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He reminds me of Barry Brooks
You're up late, you have a wife gone into labour or something (like me!)
mines due 2 August. Man they are an emotional bunch in this time or is it just me. Im tempted to start making appointments after hours so i get home late..lol
I feel your pain.....my pregnant wife is sucking my will to live.Cant go one day without having a meltdown.
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
not so much break out yrs but ruckmen who have at least shown a bit. roughhead at wb drafted 08. naitanui wce 08. kruezer 07. warnock at wafl really looked a player. freos zac clark very skinny like vickery actually shows more than vickery.
in fact i reckon if i went thru nearly all ruckmen on lists they would have shown more than vickery in their early seasons. the real knock on vickery is he has shown very little he has stagnated.
in saying this he has a little time on his hands but he really needs to show some sort of improvement. without a doubt he should be at coburg.
without doubt we targeted someone like derickx because neither vickery or browne are up to it yet.
Sorry but you are grasping at straws with some of those selections. Either Top 2 picks or haven't shown that much, some haven't even played AFL, what a joke.
Vickery & Browne are both 20 years old, they shouldn't be expected to be up to it yet, especially considering we are needing a #1 ruckman, not a youngster who can play 2nd fiddle to an older more mature body.
thats it in a nutshell - much much MUCH easier to play 2nd fiddle and go up for 10 mins at a time against the number 2 ruckman as opposed to getting your 19y/o body destroyed contest after contest against the oppositions bohemoth veteran ruckman. In saying that Vickery for mine has all the tools but lacks that fire/killer instinct. Too bloody timid!
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
not so much break out yrs but ruckmen who have at least shown a bit. roughhead at wb drafted 08. naitanui wce 08. kruezer 07. warnock at wafl really looked a player. freos zac clark very skinny like vickery actually shows more than vickery.
in fact i reckon if i went thru nearly all ruckmen on lists they would have shown more than vickery in their early seasons. the real knock on vickery is he has shown very little he has stagnated.
in saying this he has a little time on his hands but he really needs to show some sort of improvement. without a doubt he should be at coburg.
without doubt we targeted someone like derickx because neither vickery or browne are up to it yet.
Sorry but you are grasping at straws with some of those selections. Either Top 2 picks or haven't shown that much, some haven't even played AFL, what a joke.
Vickery & Browne are both 20 years old, they shouldn't be expected to be up to it yet, especially considering we are needing a #1 ruckman, not a youngster who can play 2nd fiddle to an older more mature body.
not grasping at straws at all. i cant be bothered going thru every single ruckman in the league.those players just popped into my head. pick 2 or pick 8 not a huge difference.warnock aside all taken around the same time as tyrone. 07, 08, 09.
and yep zac clarke has not played an afl game because of his size. but i can assure you he shows more than vickery has to date. every single player mentioned have shown more than tyrone to a similar stage. despite vickery getting afl games.
another taken around that time norths goldstein has shown infinately more than vickery. hawthorns renouf his first two seasons are easily more productive. trengove at port.
while i know its to early to be calling for his head and im not he needs time but to compare him to his peers id say in the main hes been outperformed to a similar stage of their careers.
and your right vickery and browne should not have high expectations placed on them noone has said any different. the knock on tyrone is he should be showing something anything in his third yr.
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I had to laugh seeing the Bombers last night celebrate a draw in a shortened first round glorified preseason game as though they had won the flag :wallywink.
Poor Rainesy had a night to forget for the Lions. Just 4 possies in each game despite playing as a centre square midfield plus a goal costing turnover while running and footpassing out of defence. Hard to see him nor Voss being around in 12 months time. Polo didn't play for the Saints.
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I had to laugh seeing the Bombers last night celebrate a draw in a shortened first round glorified preseason game as though they had won the flag :wallywink
Ha. Amen to that. The tiprat might a be a tosser but I loved seeing him go up and have a go at the dons about it. :lol. Not sure what they were thinking.
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whos the tiprat ???
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whos the tiprat ???
milne
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whos the tiprat ???
milne
:thumbsup
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Brisbane were terrible. They have to be odds on for the spoon now, I can see Gold Coast beating them easily.
Voss won't last long.
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Brisbane were terrible. They have to be odds on for the spoon now, I can see Gold Coast beating them easily.
Voss won't last long.
If the keep dishing up what they dished up last night Voss wont last the season
I thought the Bummers were fantastic and this is great for the comp..... ;D
Win the pre-season, making then think they can win the premiership and then they finish bottom 4
There's a beauty about it don't ya reckon :thumbsup
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and yep zac clarke has not played an afl game because of his size.
Zac Clarke 203cm 88kg
Tyrone Vickery 200cm 91 kg
Not a massive difference
I'd say Clarke hasn't played because of a player called Aaron Sandilands. Also WAFL form means nothing, plenty of players dominate at a lower level and can't step up. Let's wait and see first.
another taken around that time norths goldstein has shown infinately more than vickery. hawthorns renouf his first two seasons are easily more productive. trengove at port. while i know its to early to be calling for his head and im not he needs time but to compare him to his peers id say in the main hes been outperformed to a similar stage of their careers.
Goldstein was taken in 2006, debuted in 2008 (before Vickery was even drafted) for only 3 games. His 3rd year was ok, but had his breakout year in his 4th season which was 2010.
I don't see Renouf as a long term ruckman, he is a shocking kick and only taking the place of Max Bailey if he can get injury free. They even went and drafted David Hale who will get games ahead of Renouf and Hale is not a great ruckman. Renouf's 2nd season was statistically pretty similar to Vickery's, except Renouf's stats were increased by the fact he was often the #1 ruckman as they had no one else fit to play there.
and your right vickery and browne should not have high expectations placed on them noone has said any different. the knock on tyrone is he should be showing something anything in his third yr.
HE HASN'T STARTED HIS 3RD YEAR YET!!!
You're potting a bloke for not showing anything in his third year when the first game of his 3rd year is 5 weeks away.
He played two half games in the NAB Cup as a forward when the ball went into our forward 50 about 4 times a game. Pull your head out of your ass.
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Also, what I seen of Derrickx after one game, he has already passed the big girl in Vickery
derickx is 3 year older
than vickery
Firstly what has age got to do with it ?
vickery in his 3rd year in the system, make or break this year, or will his Dad get him another year in 2012, Oouch !!!
Name all the ruckmen who had breakout years in their 3rd season? It will be a very short list.
Takes a kid of that size to get to 22-23 before he should be expected to be at the required level
not so much break out yrs but ruckmen who have at least shown a bit. roughhead at wb drafted 08. naitanui wce 08. kruezer 07. warnock at wafl really looked a player. freos zac clark very skinny like vickery actually shows more than vickery.
in fact i reckon if i went thru nearly all ruckmen on lists they would have shown more than vickery in their early seasons. the real knock on vickery is he has shown very little he has stagnated.
in saying this he has a little time on his hands but he really needs to show some sort of improvement. without a doubt he should be at coburg.
without doubt we targeted someone like derickx because neither vickery or browne are up to it yet.
Sorry but you are grasping at straws with some of those selections. Either Top 2 picks or haven't shown that much, some haven't even played AFL, what a joke.
Vickery & Browne are both 20 years old, they shouldn't be expected to be up to it yet, especially considering we are needing a #1 ruckman, not a youngster who can play 2nd fiddle to an older more mature body.
thats it in a nutshell - much much MUCH easier to play 2nd fiddle and go up for 10 mins at a time against the number 2 ruckman as opposed to getting your 19y/o body destroyed contest after contest against the oppositions bohemoth veteran ruckman. In saying that Vickery for mine has all the tools but lacks that fire/killer instinct. Too bloody timid!
Thats the issue here, but remembering him play TAC - he was no way timid he was the intimidator at that level. I would have preferred to see more but maybe he still needs more time. We may see progress in 2011 we may not, I get the feeling 2012 will be the year where Vickery will show whether he makes it or not.
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does anyone remember vickery flying in front of a pack in 2009 and getting absolutely smashed in the back?
He endured a lot of serious pain in that incident. I wonder if that has affected him?
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yeah, its ruffled a curl in his hair. ::) ::)
I have seen Nason who is half the size of Vickery continually get smashed but never ever shirks an issue
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Nason never shirks? :lol
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The AFL is probably now regreting putting a team of ammos and kids with little experience playing together out there against the Swans. GWS did okay for the first 7 mins or so but as expected they are getting sliced and diced. Swans have 7 goals and it's only half-time.
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The AFL is probably now regreting putting a team of ammos and kids with little experience playing together out there against the Swans. GWS did okay for the first 7 mins or so but as expected they are getting sliced and diced. Swans have 7 goals and it's only half-time.
I thought this game could have been a 100 pointer! Personally i hope they scrap this format next year! They must have had this way to suit GWS! Looking forward to suns v giants!
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The AFL is probably now regreting putting a team of ammos and kids with little experience playing together out there against the Swans. GWS did okay for the first 7 mins or so but as expected they are getting sliced and diced. Swans have 7 goals and it's only half-time.
Was like watching pre-schoolers against a VCE class
Not sure what was or if there was a purpose to it
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Gold Coast look to have some handy players - IMHO the AFL gave them to many concessions. Its unfair on the rest of the competition.
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Gold Coast got over the line in the last minute. Swallow looks set.
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LMAO @ Brown hurting his shoulder after trying to tunnel someone. Sniping prick
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Gold Coast got over the line in the last minute. Swallow looks set.
Swallow lived up to his huge wraps didn't he. With Ablett in their midfield is half decent already. It's their lack of talls up forward that will hold them back until Sam Day and co. develop. The AFL will be happy as though with the Suns getting through and another game to promote them with. GWS wasn't a complete embarrassment either in their second game.
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Gold Coast got over the line in the last minute. Swallow looks set.
Swallow lived up to his huge wraps didn't he. With Ablett in their midfield is half decent already. It's their lack of talls up forward that will hold them back until Sam Day and co. develop. The AFL will be happy as though with the Suns getting through and another game to promote them with. GWS wasn't a complete embarrassment either in their second game.
Agree much improved performance by GWS in their game 2.
Was super impressed by Swallow - looks like a gun.
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Essendon are obviously the only club taking the NAB Cup seriously. I hope the real stuff bursts their bubble :pray as their supporters are talking top 4 now lol.
Melbourne's key defence though still looks it's weakest element. Frawley is fine but like us they need another tall backman with good footskills. Warnock ain't the answer.
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Essendon are obviously the only club taking the NAB Cup seriously. I hope the real stuff bursts their bubble :pray as their supporters are talking top 4 now lol.
Melbourne's key defence though still looks it's weakest element. Frawley is fine but like us they need another tall backman with good footskills. Warnock ain't the answer.
It's hard to read isn't it.
Matty Lloyd was on radio saying that Jurrah and Watts have no presence about them and they'll struggle in a final if they made one.
I think the Dee's might slip or plateau a little with Bruce and McDonald gone.
As for the Bombers... one thing I notice is they spread and get into space very well. Still don't think they'll be much though.
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Essendon are obviously the only club taking the NAB Cup seriously. I hope the real stuff bursts their bubble :pray as their supporters are talking top 4 now lol.
Melbourne's key defence though still looks it's weakest element. Frawley is fine but like us they need another tall backman with good footskills. Warnock ain't the answer.
lol yeah re essendon - seems eerily familiar to what we've been through in the past - cannot wait to see them come crashing down to earth. They'll probably have a half decent season (re the new coach factor) thinking they are going into 2012 "locked and loaded" so wont cut the list thinking its fine and will get pantsed in 2012 when the hype and emotion of the JH factor wears off :lol
Garland is a gun MT - if he's completely over that nasty foot injury he's been carrying he's a very handy KPD. Dee's defence is a strength imo. Their biggest problem is their midfield needs to learn to run just as hard the other way - atm they are a little like carlton and the bombers - look fantastic when they get on top bc they are full of front runners but can easily be scored against bc the defensive pressure is not there
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Essendon are obviously the only club taking the NAB Cup seriously. I hope the real stuff bursts their bubble :pray as their supporters are talking top 4 now lol.
Wait until the real stuff starts. Major reality check coming..
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Essendon are obviously the only club taking the NAB Cup seriously. I hope the real stuff bursts their bubble :pray as their supporters are talking top 4 now lol.
Wait until the real stuff starts. Major reality check coming..
MAJOR.
Would love to be playing them round 1.
We would ruin their party just like we did for the Hird/ Sheedy retirement game.
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Bombers played better last night seemed to want the win more. Plus Bailey wouldnt of seen how Hird coaches and sets up before.
all in all its nothing but a NAB cup game. Im sure the demons will keep progressing along and become a better team more games they play.
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Essendon remind me of Carlton under Pagan. Hot in the pre season cold and smelly once the home and away season begins. The bubble will burst folks and when it does that Pop will echo through the footy community and into the heart minds and souls of every Essendon supporter. The higher you dream the further and harder you fall. :lol :rollin :lol
According to my Blueprint of Essendon's history from 2007 onwards which was written up pre season 2008 The Bombers are going through the cycle and are currently at Stage 5 optimism.
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Essendon remind me of Carlton under Pagan. Hot in the pre season cold and smelly once the home and away season begins. The bubble will burst folks and when it does that Pop will echo through the footy community and into the heart minds and souls of every Essendon supporter. The higher you dream the further and harder you fall. :lol :rollin :lol
According to my Blueprint of Essendon's history from 2007 onwards which was written up pre season 2008 The Bombers are going through the cycle and are currently at Stage 5 optimism.
I loved that piece Tucker. Was very funny then and uncannily accurate now!
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I know saints have fielded a stronger team but there up 35 - 6 against the Cats at quarter time.
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Not NAB Cup but in the NAB Challenge today Carlton beat GWS by 157 points - 29.9 (183) to 4.2 (26). Thank goodness we haven't been scheduled to play GWS in the preseason. A complete waste of preparation time playing a full game against a side full of 17 year olds.
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Just read that on bigfooty. The only good out of GWS being in the challenger is to play brisbane so they can at least get a win and some confidence.
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Not NAB Cup but in the NAB Challenge today Carlton beat GWS by 157 points - 29.9 (183) to 4.2 (26). Thank goodness we haven't been scheduled to play GWS in the preseason. A complete waste of preparation time playing a full game against a side full of 17 year olds.
Never know. We could play them in the final week couldn't we?
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If we are to play GWS I hope we just play our kids
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In the Adelaide-Carlton NAB Challenge game the Crows have lost Tippett to a bad ankle injury and Blues' FB Michael Jamison could be in trouble with the tribunal for his high shepherd on Adelaide's Henderson where Henderson was knocked out and carried off on a stretcher with a neck brace. If Jamison is suspended he'll miss round 1 as the Herald-Sun reckons he'll cop 2-3 weeks.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl/8948296/pettifer-primed-say-royals/
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/double-blow-for-crows/story-e6frf9jf-1226016034677
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Bombers got an easy win tonight. Cant read anything into it though saints played very poorly. Played like they didnt even care.
On tonight's performance from them I would even go as far to say as GWS might of even had a chance.
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Bombers got an easy win tonight. Cant read anything into it though saints played very poorly. Played like they didnt even care.
On tonight's performance from them I would even go as far to say as GWS might of even had a chance.
Yep the Bombers are probably the only club taking the NAB Cup seriously with the intensity they are playing at for this time of the year. The Saints were woeful last night and the umps were just as bad. Goddard was going off his nut by the end of the game because of the umps and Jack's cousin's new kicking action wasn't even making the distance :wallywink. St Kilda still has the prob that their bottom 6 is a liability just as it was in the GFs last year. Mind you Essendon is the Saints' bogey side so it's not that great a surprise that they won.
You can't take preseason results too seriously when Port beat Geelong by 84 points after we beat Port last week. The Cats had 12 of their starting 18 missing.
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GWS flogged again by nearly 100 points today and Schulz kicked 4 goals in a half on AFL newbie Israel Folau.
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/03/12/folau-makes-debut-on-dismal-day-for-gws/
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Would hardly call having 4 goals kicked on you in a half a dismal display for a guy whos never played the game before
The guy needs to play as a forward. He would have learnt running patterns as a rugby player so I'm sure he can learn a forward structure. We know he can mark the ball, his kicking action is quite good and accurate and any turnovers from him wouldn't be as damaging as down back. With his height, strength and pace there aren't too many who could keep up with his leads.
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Would hardly call having 4 goals kicked on you in a half a dismal display for a guy whos never played the game before
The guy needs to play as a forward. He would have learnt running patterns as a rugby player so I'm sure he can learn a forward structure. We know he can mark the ball, his kicking action is quite good and accurate and any turnovers from him wouldn't be as damaging as down back. With his height, strength and pace there aren't too many who could keep up with his leads.
he learnt running patterns as a league player. What patterns are they?.... Receive the ball run into 2 or 3 big guys, get tackled to the ground, do the wet fish dance whilst trying to get the 3 big guys off you then get up and push the ball back by foot.........is this what you mean?
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Would hardly call having 4 goals kicked on you in a half a dismal display for a guy whos never played the game before
The guy needs to play as a forward. He would have learnt running patterns as a rugby player so I'm sure he can learn a forward structure. We know he can mark the ball, his kicking action is quite good and accurate and any turnovers from him wouldn't be as damaging as down back. With his height, strength and pace there aren't too many who could keep up with his leads.
he learnt running patterns as a league player. What patterns are they?.... Receive the ball run into 2 or 3 big guys, get tackled to the ground, do the wet fish dance whilst trying to get the 3 big guys off you then get up and push the ball back by foot.........is this what you mean?
Don't be so narrow minded
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Would hardly call having 4 goals kicked on you in a half a dismal display for a guy whos never played the game before
The guy needs to play as a forward. He would have learnt running patterns as a rugby player so I'm sure he can learn a forward structure. We know he can mark the ball, his kicking action is quite good and accurate and any turnovers from him wouldn't be as damaging as down back. With his height, strength and pace there aren't too many who could keep up with his leads.
he learnt running patterns as a league player. What patterns are they?.... Receive the ball run into 2 or 3 big guys, get tackled to the ground, do the wet fish dance whilst trying to get the 3 big guys off you then get up and push the ball back by foot.........is this what you mean?
Don't be so narrow minded
no no you don't understand I think the wet fish dance takes alot of skill. :lol