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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on October 27, 2006, 03:21:26 PM
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Seems like we will have atleast 4 picks maybe 5 at the national draft. This thread is aimed at predicting the RFC package- within reason. Its not meant to be like a phantom draft...just take some guesses thats all. For the sake of this thread you can have one or two alternatives at each pick although not compulsory. Youve all read the phantom drafts, youve read all the rubbish, now its time for us to create more rubbish lol. So heres mine
13. Daniel Connors TAC Cup- Very good midfielder- will be a good player others like Armitage, Houlihan and Benjamin in contention
26. James Hawksley WAFL- Good runner from WA- runs lines, good kick. A Richmond type. I also rate Morton, N.Brown, Reid at this level as well.
58. Jackson Sheringham- TAC Cup- Half Back whos fallen right away in Phantom drafts- I rate the kid still- Nice pace, good disposal. Because your no longer popular on internet boards lol- doesnt mean you cant play. Will Schofield another who has a chance.
60. Ryan Anderson- TAC Cup- This will sound stupid but has a touch of Polos about him, I always remember with dean in his carnival- he was always able to find the footy- not pretty- but could find the footy. Anderson knows how to find the footy- well atleast at the carnival level anyway.
74. Pass
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Seems like we will have atleast 4 picks maybe 5 at the national draft. This thread is aimed at predicting the RFC package- within reason. Its not meant to be like a phantom draft...just take some guesses thats all. For the sake of this thread you can have one or two alternatives at each pick although not compulsory. Youve all read the phantom drafts, youve read all the rubbish, now its time for us to create more rubbish lol. So heres mine
13. Daniel Connors TAC Cup- Very good midfielder- will be a good player others like Armitage, Benjamin and Houli in contention
26. James Hawksley WAFL- Good runner from WA- runs lines, good kick. A Richmond type. I also rate Morton at this level as well.
58. Jackson Sheringham- TAC Cup- Half Back whos fallen right away in Phantom drafts- I rate the kid still- Nice pace, good disposal. Because your no longer popular on internet boards lol- doesnt mean you cant play.
60. Ryan Anderson- TAC Cup- This will sound stupid but has a touch of Polos about him, I always remember with dean in his carnival- he was always able to find the footy- not pretty- but could find the footy. Anderson knows how to find the footy- well atleast at the carnival level anyway.
74. Pass
Except for Anderson I disagree.
Pick 13. Clayton Collard
Pick 26. Ben Reid
Pick 58. Nathan Brown or James Frawley
Pick 60. Rayn Anderson
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Except for Anderson I disagree.
Pick 13. Clayton Collard
Pick 26. Ben Reid
Pick 58. Nathan Brown or James Frawley
Pick 60. Rayn Anderson
God we just got rid of one Frawley....
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Best available with our first two picks.
13. Armitage or Collard.
I hope we don't go for another lanky receiver or a speculative kid with our first pick. I can see Plough being interested in Benjamin. Whoever it is we'll get told by the Club that we would have picked him up at 8 anyway ;).
26. Reid, Hawksley or Mourish.
58. Shane Edwards (South Aussie we apparently rate highly on talent but he's very light on)
60. Joe Anderson, Nathan Batsanis or Gavin Grose (young Queensland key defender).
74. Pass.
PSD: Kingsley if still around or a TAC Cup kid.
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My guestimates:
13 - Collard or Connors
26 - D.O'Keefe or Schmidt
58 - Frawley or Tom Collier
60 - S.Edwards or Prismall
74 - Pass or Kingsley
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James Frawley will be gone by pick 58/60 IMO. To bad we traded away our 3rd round pick because IMO James will be a very good defender. With our first pick i would go for Clayton Collard, Daniel Connors or Tom Hislop(Very unlikely that we would go for Hislop, he isnt our type). Armitage will be gone before our first pick IMO.
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Armitage will be gone before our first pick IMO.
There were rumours a few weeks ago that Brisbane would pick Armitage up as early as pick 4 but you'd think the top 6 names in most phantom drafts would go first. Then again there's usually a surprise like the Hawks picking Roughead at 2 and the Pies last year with Thomas and Pendlebury at 2 and 5.
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Weaver has done his annual phantom draft on BF - Link (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279879). Here are his Richmond picks and summary of each:
13. Travis Boak (Richmond) - If there is an early run on big blokes Richmond might be in a position to pick the eyes out of the runners. Boak is a classy outside guy who knows where the goals are, has some toe and loves to carry the footy. Is genuinely classy and has match-changing ability. Expect Richmond to go for a pacy midfielder, tough to know which – perhaps Edwards or Houlihan over Boak. Boak has the edge in class and has been on the radar since under-16 days.
26. James Hawksley (Richmond) – Hawksley is at the moment a lightly-built back-pocket but will develop into a utility winger/defender. The Richmond game plan will be based on rebound from defence and they need defenders like Craig Bolton and Tadgh Kennelly who can play tall but run and kick.
58. Will Schofield (Richmond) – Lightly built key defender who showed an ability to step out onto the wing and use his pace and running ability to good effect. Would bulk up and become an AFL fullback. Good leap and has great spoiling technique. More school footy than TAC Cup has kept his profile low, but is perhaps the best pure-spoiler in the draft.
60. Rhys Magin (Richmond) – Young wingman. Very good pace and running ability. Extremely light and would need a lot of patience. Richmond has had a lot of success with the very similar Andrew Raines and might be willing to repeat the exercise if they elect to use this pick.
74. David MacKay (Richmond) – Lightly framed and although quick on the running track tends to steady himself and play a lower tempo style. Needs more intensity. Exceptional vision and good kicking skills makes him dangerous even with low possession totals. Will be in the mix for teams looking to develop a highly skilled winger.
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I know you should alwaystake the best available player with your first pick (that's what I reckon anyway ;)) and I always enjoy Weaver's views but I think that list is a tad worrying.
All sound like pace, pace and more pace and they all are "light on" - the pace I can live with but the "light on" worries me :help
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I know you should alwaystake the best available player with your first pick (that's what I reckon anyway ;)) and I always enjoy Weaver's views but I think that list is a tad worrying.
All sound like pace, pace and more pace and they all are "light on" - the pace I can live with but the "light on" worries me :help
i agree
i dont know who this weaver guy is or who he thinks he is but he sounds like a clown to me.
so what he reckons is in thi sdraft w eshould pick 5 lightly built outside players
WRONG
we need tough players, and KPP's we have an abundance of light framed outside players and we dont need anymore aaron fionas
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Weaver's draft order is usually out because he just doesn't list the best youngsters in order from 1 to 80 but also tries to read what each club is thinking in terms of needs, gameplan and what risks they will take. Not a criticism as no phantom draft gets it right and at least Weaver provides his own original reasons and summaries for his choices and they are a good read.
His choices for us are based around Plough's run and carry all over the ground gameplan. In 2004 Pattison was just a "maybe" late pick-up in his phantom draft with no mention of Richmond going after him and yet we picked Patto up at 16. On the other hand he had Meyer going at 13 and we got him at 12. So Weaver has his hits and misses.
I agree it would be a major concern if we went for 5 similar players that are quick and light in one draft.
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I had a look at his full predicition, plus his recent year predictions, and he hasn't really been that close.
He put a bit of work into it though. F**ked if I could be bothered doing that.
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Have to agree MT, not a pot on Weaver but in the ones I've seen he has got very few right.
The only Tigers ones that have been right have been Tom Roach (given, but interesting what he said about that one) and Lids.
His Mock is a great read though and gives a liitle insight to those with no idea (me :help).
Interesting to see his 2003/2004 list top 25's and just the number I've never heard of since those drafts
2003- Billy Morrison, William Gayfer, Brent Hall, Tim Schmidt, Ben Cosgriff
2004- Thomas Murphy, Thomas Redden, Adam Hartlett, Alan Toovey
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Interesting to see his 2003/2004 list top 25's and just the number I've never heard of since those drafts
2003- Billy Morrison, William Gayfer, Brent Hall, Tim Schmidt, Ben Cosgriff
2004- Thomas Murphy, Thomas Redden, Adam Hartlett, Alan Toovey
Hall just delisted, Schmidt still at swans (where it is hard for youngsters to get a game), Murphy getting games for Hawthorn,Hartlett still with Carlton, Toovey a rookie at pies, and redden may be a rookie at port?
Weaver also said that Andrew Raines was a waste of a pick and would never play a game, after he was drafted.
To be fair to Weaver, you could look at anyone's mock drafts over the years and say the same thing.No one gets it right. He at least has the guts to put up his old ones for public scrutiny. In my opinion, he is worthy of respect,researches well, and is sound in his analysis.He's an original thinker, yet sometimes a little too "out there". I rate him highly, but I don't agree with everything he does.
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Murphy is doing the best out of those names at Hawthorn. In their best 22.
To be fair to Weaver, you could look at anyone's mock drafts over the years and say the same thing.No one gets it right. He at least has the guts to put up his old ones for public scrutiny. In my opinion, he is worthy of respect,researches well, and is sound in his analysis.He's an original thinker, yet sometimes a little too "out there". I rate him highly, but I don't agree with everything he does.
I think that's the best description of Weaver GB.
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Except for Anderson I disagree.
Pick 13. Clayton Collard
Pick 26. Ben Reid
Pick 58. Nathan Brown or James Frawley
Pick 60. Rayn Anderson
God we just got rid of one Frawley....
Forget his surname is Frawley. The kid has talent.
Athletic, competitive, good hands and fantastic lock down key defender.
Kicking only thing only holding him back.
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If he cant kick Bluey thats a major problem for the kid. I hope we dont take Frawley.
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If he cant kick Bluey thats a major problem for the kid. I hope we dont take Frawley.
Yep if they can't kick or are severely one-sided then pass. Good footskills are a necessity in modern footy. We've been burnt too long with players who can't hit targets regularly by foot. We aren't turnover kings for nothing. It is a major concern still for our coaching staff. A suss kicking action will be exposed big time under pressure as we know.
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If he cant kick Bluey thats a major problem for the kid. I hope we dont take Frawley.
You have no chance these days if you can't kick.
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There is a flaw in his kicking, very similar to Andrew Swallow.
However if he can work on his kicking technique he can get to be very adequate. Wallace and our development team can help him resolve this problem.
Also, what i'm trying to say is forget that he is not a great kick. He is one of the best lock-down key defenders. If someone ir running rampant you can send him on to that guy and he will be quelled.
Besides we are in desperate need for a good negating key defender anyway :help
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Besides we are in desperate need for a good negating key defender anyway :help
As much as Gas has been a terrific lockdown full-back for us over the years we don't want a younger version of Gas. Our next key wave of key defenders need to have a reliable kicking action and can hit targets accurately when rebounding from the backline.
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Ive just done my annual draft preview based on Inside Football mags descriptions, every year I do it and based on my stupid selections process which includes discounting the thoughts of some of the coaches who never say anything bad...this is my list, Usually my list has about 8 names on it and I hope we get 2 but this year theres more names. So here is my annual IF Draft analysis AND the players given good reviews- if we get 2 out 5 weve done average, 3 out of 5 is good, 4 is very good and 5 is excellent.
The list doesnt include any of the players like Gibbs, Leuenberger etc. coz clearly they aren't gonna be there. So here are the 14 names on the list- not in any order at all.
Daniel O'Keefe, Clinton Benjamin, Nathan Brown, Daniel Connors, James Hawksley, Ben Reid, Tim Houlihan, Jarryd Allan, Jarryd Morton, Will Schofield, Todd Goldstein, Ryan Anderson, David MacKay and Alex Lee.
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Ive just done my annual draft preview based on Inside Football mags descriptions, every year I do it and based on my stupid selections process which includes discounting the thoughts of some of the coaches who never say anything bad...this is my list, Usually my list has about 8 names on it and I hope we get 2 but this year theres more names. So here is my annual IF Draft analysis AND the players given good reviews- if we get 2 out 5 weve done average, 3 out of 5 is good, 4 is very good and 5 is excellent.
The list doesnt include any of the players like Gibbs, Leuenberger etc. coz clearly they aren't gonna be there. So here are the 14 names on the list- not in any order at all.
Daniel O'Keefe, Clinton Benjamin, Nathan Brown, Daniel Connors, James Hawksley, Ben Reid, Tim Houlihan, Jarryd Allan, Jarryd Morton, Will Schofield, Todd Goldstein, Ryan Anderson, David MacKay and Alex Lee.
From what I've read about them, I would be very happy with Connors or O'Keefe at pick 13.
http://www.thedrafter.net/articles/articles.asp?ad_id=46
DANIEL CONNORS
01.11.2006
Position: Midfield
D.O.B.: 22/9/1988
Club: Bendigo Pioneers/Echuca
Height: 182cm
Weight: 77kg
Echuca youngster Daniel Connors looks set to be snapped up in the first round of this year's AFL National Draft. The left-footed youngster has already drawn obvious comparisons to St Kilda star Nick Dal Santo who also plied his trade for the Bendigo Pioneers in the TAC Cup.
Connors strengths, like Dal Santo's, lie in his skills by hand and foot. He tested well in his speed, leap and agility at the Draft Camp and while not overly tall he is certainly strong overhead.
A prolific ball gatherer, Connors topped the Pioneers in average disposals in season 2006 with more than 22 per game. He finished the season with 14 games under his belt racking up 5 marks per game and averaging 4 tackles.
Daniel also enjoyed a superb National Under 18 Championships where he starred for Victoria Country and capped off a fine carnival with an All Australian selection on the wing. He also pulled in one of the marks of the championships. He capped off his carnival with an impressive six marks in extremely wet conditions in the final match.
While not a noted goal-kicker and prone to the occasional lapse in concentration Connors is certainly a prospect with almost limitless potential.
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DANIEL CONNORS
01.11.2006
Position: Midfield
D.O.B.: 22/9/1988
Club: Bendigo Pioneers/Echuca
Height: 182cm
Weight: 77kg
The bold figure - 77kgs that worries me :help
Don't these lads ever go to McDonalds, KCf or the local Pizza shop ;D
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Connors would only need to find about 7 to 8 kgs over the next 2 years to be fine weight wise.
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The bold figure - 77kgs that worries me :help
Don't these lads ever go to McDonalds, KCf or the local Pizza shop ;D
77kgs isn't too bad. One or two preseasons at the most in the gym should fairly easily get the weight and body strength up to AFL level. It's not a kid in the low 70s.
I don't know if there's any truth to this but I've heard AFL clubs prefer adding weight to a light kid than starting with a kid with puppy fat that he needs to lose. There's a young ruckman whose name I've forgotten who is something like 200cm tall but because he already weighs 100kg he might be overlooked in this draft.
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this is a boring time in footy....dont any of you blokes have the names of players from the club that we are looking at 13 and 26. thatll give us something to talk about or are we in :shh mode still.
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this is a boring time in footy....dont any of you blokes have the names of players from the club that we are looking at 13 and 26. thatll give us something to talk about or are we in :shh mode still.
After the first 6, every else if moving all over the place following the phantom drafts so who knows. A number of people now have Connors inside their top 10 for example. All we can assume is Miller must be confident the player we are after will be around at 13 which makes me slightly nervous as it might be a surprise choice :-\. Seen Reid at 13 given he is a bottom age tall (196cm, 29/4/89) with supposedly plenty of upside. The idea being we picked up Polak for now to give Reid time to develop in 3-4 years time when we are hopefully challenging. Prefer us taking him at 26 if we do and going for the best available midfielder at 13.
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After the first 6, every else if moving all over the place following the phantom drafts so who knows. A number of people now have Connors inside their top 10 for example. All we can assume is Miller must be confident the player we are after will be around at 13 which makes me slightly nervous as it might be a surprise choice :-\. Seen Reid at 13 given he is a bottom age tall (196cm, 29/4/89) with supposedly plenty of upside. The idea being we picked up Polak for now to give Reid time to develop in 3-4 years time when we are hopefully challenging. Prefer us taking him at 26 if we do and going for the best available midfielder at 13.
I'm certain that we won't take Reid at 13. For my money, it will be a mid, one of Proud, Armitage, Connors, Collard, Jetta, Boak or O'Keefe.
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I'm certain that we won't take Reid at 13. For my money, it will be a mid, one of Proud, Armitage, Connors, Collard, Jetta, Boak or O'Keefe.
I hope we don't take Jetta. We just delisted a short Rodan-type so no point using our first pick just replacing him.
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Im leaning to 2 mids being taken at 13 and 26. Preferably 2 inside mids with some dash but I think Hawksley will be a nice player so if hes available at 26 and we get him then that would be good two.
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AFL 2007 Draft Table Talk Mock Draft: Pick 13
aflinsider.net
November 8th 2006 02:01
13. Richmond:
Nathan Brown. 194cm, 89kg. Key Position player (North Ballarat Rebels)
If this happens, then he better get a nickname or there will be confusion at Richmond. If Richmond do draft Brown, or a similar player, they will have turned pick 8 into a full back and a centre half back, with Polak filling the other spot. That is a really good return for trading down a few picks and sending a later draft pick to Fremantle. There is obviously a need to have someone to replace Gaspar in the next year or two and Brown is rated as one of the best full back prospects. Brown is also capable of playing up forward, it would be an interesting setup for Richmond with both Richardson and Brown leading from the goalsquare. Teams struggle to stop Richardson with his marking ability and fast leads, combine him and Brown and teams would have to find two defenders with pace and height to combat them.
Daniel Connors: 182 cm, 77 kg. Midfielder (Bendigo/ Echuca)
Plenty of midfielders worth picking here and Connors would add a midfielder to the list that could replace Chaffey who retired. The Tigers will have to decide between an onballer or a key position player with this pick, and with their recent draft history a small could be taken here. But in this draft Richmond will be able to add a quality onballer with their next pick while the quality of tall players will drop-off before then. It is always interesting to watch Wallace at the drafts as he usually has an unexpected player that he drafts.
Brock O’Brien: 180cm, 78kg. Small defender (Peel Thunder).
Terry Wallace often goes small in drafts, and he does scout and draft Western Australian players, Brock could be a player he likes and O'Brien could fill a number of roles for the Tigers. Raines might be played further up the field and O'Brien could be a player who also starts his career down back. Would get plenty of possessions for Richmond as they build from the back and O'Brien is a solid kick who could rebound out of the backline.
1. Carlton: Bryce Gibbs
2. Essendon: Scott Gumbleton
3. Kangaroos: Lachlan Hansen
4. Brisbane Lions: Joel Selwood
5. Port Adelaide: Matthew Leuenberger
6. Hawthorn: Mitchell Thorp
7. Geelong: Leroy Jetta
8. Collingwood: Albert Proud
9. St Kilda: Jack Riewoldt
10. Collingwood: Brent Renouf
11. Western Bulldogs: James Sellar
12. Melbourne: Tom Hislop
http://www.aflinsider.net/afl-2007-draft-table-talk-mock-draft-pick-13/
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SEN had the Bombers' recruiting manager on just before. His opinion was there are about 10 top midfielders in this draft. He mentioned Selwood, Armitage and Boak. If Miller has a similar opinion then maybe we think we will definitely get one of these top midfielders at 13.
Mark Robinson couldn't help himself bringing up again about us drafting Fiora ahead of Pavlich ::).
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AFL 2007 Draft Table Talk Mock Draft: Pick 26
aflinsider.net
November 13th 2006 04:15
26. Richmond:
Shaun Grigg. 189cm, 79kg. Midfielder/Medium Forward (North Ballarat Rebels)
The Tigers are looking for the right forward line mix around Richardson, and Grigg could be a useful piece in their lineup. Grigg on a half forward flank and rotating occasionally through the midfield would prove useful for the Tigers. Grigg is the type of player that can cause a mismatch and the Tigers should be able to exploit that. If the opposition play a smaller midfield-type on Grigg then he can be played closer to goal, and if they use a bigger defender on him then Grigg can switch to the wing. The Tigers need a medium-sized forward and if Richmond think Grigg can fill that role he could be their pick.
Nathan Krakouer: 30/07/88 182cm 62kg. Small forward/wingman (Claremont)
There might be a lot of excitement for Tigers fans if they do call out Krakouer's name. The best thing about the North Melbourne sides of the 1980s was watching the two Krakouers and it could happen again. Nathan Krakouer would probably play around the forward line for Richmond, with some time on a wing possible too. He isn't that big, and needs at least 10kg more added to his frame, so it might take a year or two for him to be physically ready for the AFL. But his skills are there now, and with his pace it isn't like a lot of people will be able to catch him anyway. Nathan Krakouer will be one of the big stories of the draft and Richmond can get him not only for his skills but also for the positive impact it will have on the team's marketing.
Tom Hurley: 25/2/88 178cm 72kg. Midfielder (Sturt/Rostrevor College)
Wallace has often drafted small so Hurley could be on his list for this draft. Richmond lose Chaffey and will be thinking about drafting a replacement. Hurley gets a lot of disposals and at Richmond Hurley could probably step right in and get at least 15 disposals per game. Some of his playing time might also be as a small defender for the Tigers.
http://www.aflinsider.net/afl-2007-draft-table-talk-mock-draft-pick-26/
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Nathan Krakouer:
There might be a lot of excitement for Tigers fans if they do call out Krakouer's name.
You can just sense the excitement on OER if we end up with another Krakouer on our list ;D.
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AFL 2007 Draft Table Talk Mock Draft: Pick 58
November 23rd 2006 02:58
aflinsider.net
58. Richmond:
Jackson Sheringham. 177cm, 73kg. Midfielder (Geelong Falcons)
Richmond fans will have plenty of incentive to keep following the draft to its end, 4 of their picks are late ones, including this pick as well as pick 60. Sheringham is a good small midfielder who could be effective on the spacious wings of the MCG. The Richmond midfield has some size with Delidio, Johnson and Tuck so a smaller player like Sheringham would complement what Richmond already have in the middle.
Ben Ross: Small player who can play up forward. The Tigers used to be a more competitive team when they had players like Naish and Daffy in the forward area to assist Richardson, Ross might be someone to fill that role. Rodan is out so the Tigers will want to add another small forward or two.
Lachlan George: The Tigers might go tall early, but then plenty of smalls will be taken later. George is a midfield player who might be used on a half forward flank as well as closer to the middle.
http://www.aflinsider.net/afl-2007-draft-table-talk-mock-draft-pick-58/
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AFL 2007 Draft Table Talk Mock Draft: Pick 60
aflinsider.net
November 23rd 2006 04:15
60. Richmond:
Ben Ross. 176cm, 75kg. Small Forward (Gippsland Power)
Richmond have another pick in this part of the draft and there are plenty of intriguing players to consider. Ross might be someone to play in the forward pocket for the Tigers. Ross should have similar numbers to Andrew Krakouer for Richmond, so maybe a goal or two per game.
Fortunato Caruso (Calder Cannons)
A high-possession player for a team that was using the ball a lot last season. There is always a player or two in every draft like Caruso, they star in the minor leagues but teams don't think they can replicate that in the AFL. Caruso just knows where the ball is going and he gets there first, his 2 to 1 ratio of free kicks for to free kicks against shows that he is hard to stop.
Chris Dawes (Sandringham Dragons)
There is still a lot to pick from and tall, medium or short the Tigers can take their pick. It is always a good idea to take a player that was previously rated much higher, and if Dawes had not injured his knee he would be picked a lot earlier than here. While Dawes is a pick for the future, maybe with pick 60 the Tigers go for the player for now in Kent Kingsley.
http://www.aflinsider.net/afl-2007-draft-table-talk-mock-draft-pick-60/