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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 03, 2006, 07:10:08 PM
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Tiges: unchanged
Freo: Headland in; Longmuir out
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No breeze. Cool night.
Bench: Knobel, Foley, Meyer and White.
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Gas on Medhurst, Rainesy on Farmer, Pettifer against Dodds, Hyde v Schammer
Cogs took the mark in front of goal but they penalised Staff for the screen ::).
Joel stepped over the goalsquare with the kick-in. Bell gets the first goal from the resulting bounce.
Tiges 0.1-1
Freo 1.1-7
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Staff goals :gotigers
Tiges 1.1-7
Freo 1.1-7
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Trent should kerb his enthusiasm. Given away a stupid free and now a 50 :banghead
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Knobel in the ruck, Simmo forward, Paddy Bowden off. Tivs on Bell.
Kellaway goals :gotigers
Tiges 2.2-14
Freo 1.4-10
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Great goal by Kellaway roving the ball as it came off the pack :thumbsup
Knobs off the ground to have a talk to the coach.
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Hyde misses from 35m :-\. Freo runs it up the end to Pavlich for a goal :scream.
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Johnson vs Josh Carr.
Falling down at FF. We've had enough entries.
QT.
Tiges 2.4-16
Freo 3.4-22
Best: Cogs, Tuck, Hyde, Paddy Bowden.
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Bell out injured
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Paddy goal :gotigers
Tiges 3.4-22
Freo 3.4-22
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Patty Bowden goal - had 12 possies so far :thumbsup
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:gotigers
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We got dudded a goal last qtr - was over the line i reckon when it was touched :banghead
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Simmo goals. Up yours Harvey
4.4-28 a piece
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Joel makes another mistake kicking out OOF. Freo goal then goal again :help. C'mon Tiges
What a joke deliberate OOB rule is >:(. Pettifer was kicking the ball forward.
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Most disgusting decision. Petts kicked the ball off the ground becasue he was under pressure and couldn't pick up. It went forward about thirty metres and went out of bounds. They called it deliberate.
What's he supposed to do? Worst decision i've ever seen.
The crowd called deliberate but more was wishful thinking me thinks. The umps got sucked in
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Knobel misses twice :help
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Tivs goals :gotigers
Tiges 5.6-36
Freo 6.5-41
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Great goal Foley, front and square :thumbsup
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White sounds as though he's doing alright in his first game.
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Simmo goals from a Sandilands howler :rollin
Tiges 7.6-48
Freo 6.5-41
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Simmo goal. I thought Tambo have got a free dead in front for an illegal shepherd
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Who is on Michael Johnson? He's keeping Freo in the game.
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HT Scores level 7.6-48 a piece.
We didn't make the most of being on top but at least we're level.
Cogs 22 possies. Paddy Bowden, Tuck our other best. Sugar is tagging Josh Carr and doing well. Our defence had done well.
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Interesting stat - 2 contested marks for the game so far
Just possession footy
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Interesting stat - 2 contested marks for the game so far
Just possession footy
Wallace is outcoaching Connolly. If Freo gets a run on we shut the game down and play tempo (possession) footy.
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Bugger Polo missed after a great move.
Blingers misses his set shot as well :-\.
Hyde goals :gotigers
Tiges 8.8-56
Freo 7.6-48
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Free kick Petts and goals
Tiges 9.8-62
Freo 7.6-48
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Freo last 3 goals :banghead. We need to lift our intensity as Freo has lifted.
Tiges 9.9-63
Freo 10.6-66
Umps sucked in by the crowd again ::)
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Wow, lucky Headland missed - Petts head would have been in the stands lol
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Headland reported for being a gutless idiot >:(.
Hyde puts us back in front :gotigers
Tiges 10.9-69
Freo 10.7-67
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Tuck luckily goals :gotigers
Tiges 11.10-76
Freo 10.7-67
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Don't think Headland connected, but he meant to hit him. Can he go for that?
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6PR said he got reported and was looking at 2-3 weeks. Maybe they thought he connected.
3/4 time
Tiges 11.11-77
Freo 10.8-68
9 individual goalkickers
Best: Cogs, Paddy, Tuck, Hyde, Pettifer
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I actually thought he got reported for rough play, slamming him into the ground. The attempted hit was a bonus lol
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Don't think Headland connected, but he meant to hit him. Can he go for that?
Atempted Striking, you sure can go for that. The WA radio guys say he will get 2-3 weeks :lol
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Newmo great courage backing back for a mark :bow - might have got hurt
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All the comentators have been saying is Freo will clean Richmond up if they turn it over.
Freo turned it over - Cogs goasl lol :rollin
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Petts reported - just going for the punch - and he gets a 50 as well
Umps don't like him tonight
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Pettifer reported and even the 6PR guys say it was soft.
Headland definitely reported.
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White you beauty :thumbsup
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Bugger lucky goal to Freo. Tiges by 7.
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Ray Hall runs too far in front of their goal :banghead
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Goal to Freo thanks to a brain implosion from Razor :banghead
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take Hall off
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Polo robbed a mark and Freo gets a goal. Bloody Umpires :banghead
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11 points down :(
We tried to save it instead of win it.
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We were robbed by the same thing - on the line
And they were just given one
Same situation - home town decision :banghead
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Gee I wonder why Freo can win at home and not away. Handy when you have 3 extra men.
>:(
The one that got away :(
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Same thing there - hyde got tackled without the ball in front of goal.
If he'd got a free, it would have been 5 point margin - take into account those two goals - and the one where Polo marked and they allowed them to play on and goal - you work it out.
Robbed.
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I don't understand that last goal Freo got. Ray definitely touched the ball.
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The umps were a joke all night >:(. It might have been 17-all but it felt like their frees and the ones not paid to us resulted in soft goals to them.
Razor's brain implosion where he played on in our backline when he didn't have to and ran too far and Polo's not paid mark changed the course of the game.
We needed another goal when we were in front. We went too early and safe with the possession game. When Simmonds marked 70m out going back to Joel 35m was just too negative.
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Fu&*ing umpires were a joke.
Did Hall actually run too far, is it how many steps or how far you travel in distance?
Like already stated, Polo marked that ball and the goal we kicked in the second qtr IIRC was through also.
Replays clearly showed Razor touching that ball.
Also disappointing to see us shut up shop so early. Staff gave us nothing up forward, should have played Cleve.
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We got butchered all night...however we must also state the truth and the truth is 2 seriously bad errors made things bad for us
Coughlan missed mark, Hall brain explosion and there were way 2 many fumbling. Gaspar and Hall cant play in the same side.
I liked Whites capacity to score, Dean Polo was ok- bad miss when firing on goal- should have got it, he was very stiff with the unpaid mark in the last, Meyer was thereabouts as was Tambling. Pattison is improving. For mine, looking forward always i think its pretty clear that Gaspar and Stafford and Hall cant be in the side unless necessary, Hall is good trade bait, and we still have plenty improvement to make.
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Did Hall actually run too far, is it how many steps or how far you travel in distance?
I'm not really sure he did, Bull. I reckon he didn't, but they took into account his couple of steps forward and then back before he headed off in the direction he went. It was too close to call and shouldn't have been paid if there was any doubt - and there was.
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Even the 6PR guys said we got nobbled by the umps in the last 5 minutes. Umpire Davis was the main culprit.
We needed just one of Patto and Staff as we had Simmo and Knobel doing the ruck. We should have played Clever or Jackson as a leading forward as we fell down badly at FF. Staff is too slow and is out of the contest once the ball hits the ground.
We also had a couple of chances to go 20+ points up but missed and kept Freo in the game. Whoever was on Michael Johnson let us down badly. He single-handedly kept Freo in it for the first 3 quarters.
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Tonight is just another indication that hard decisions need to be made on players like Hall. Stafford and Gaspar are already gone for mine or they should be, but for us to improve as a club then players like Ray probably need to be moved on because in terms of a premiership unit, probably hes a 23 to 30 ranked player.
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Team stats
Kicks 208 - 205
Marks 120 - 116
Handballs 122 - 92
Tackles 45 - 68
Hitouts 36 - 32
Frees 17 - 17
Individual stats
Player K H D M HO T FF FA G B
M.Coughlan 23 12 35 9 0 4 2 2 1 0
S.Tuck 19 9 28 12 1 3 1 1 1 0
P.Bowden 17 7 24 12 1 6 2 1 1 0
J.Bowden 17 6 23 8 0 3 2 2 0 0
C.Hyde 12 8 20 6 0 2 1 0 2 2
G.Tivendale 12 7 19 4 0 2 0 0 1 0
K.Pettifer 15 3 18 7 0 2 1 2 1 0
A.Raines 11 6 17 6 0 0 0 0 0 0
R.Hall 8 7 15 8 0 2 0 3 0 0
A.Kellaway 11 4 15 5 0 2 1 1 1 0
D.Polo 6 9 15 3 0 2 0 1 0 1
T.Simmonds 10 4 14 6 20 0 0 0 2 0
D.Gaspar 4 8 12 5 0 3 2 0 0 0
C.Newman 8 4 12 5 0 4 1 0 0 0
K.Johnson 5 6 11 3 0 0 1 0 0 1
N.Foley 5 4 9 3 0 3 0 0 1 0
D.Meyer 5 4 9 2 0 3 1 1 0 0
A.Pattison 3 6 9 3 1 1 2 0 0 1
R.Tambling 6 2 8 4 0 1 0 0 0 2
M.White 7 1 8 5 0 1 0 0 1 0
G.Stafford 2 3 5 2 1 0 0 2 1 0
T.Knobel 2 2 4 2 12 1 0 1 0 1
Top 5's
Ranking Points
P.Bowden 166
Coughlan 151
Tuck 149
Peake 136
M.Johnson 129
Contested possies
Coughlan 13
M.Johnson 9
Pavlich 9
P.Bowden 8
Tivendale 8
Uncontested possies
Coughlan 21
Peake 21
Tuck 20
McManus 17
P.Bowden 16
Effective kicks
Coughlan 19
P.Bowden 17
Peake 16
Tuck 16
J.Bowden 13
Inside 50
Medhurst 7
Peake 6
Headland 6
Pavlich 5
Coughlan 4
Rebound 50
Tuck 9
J.Bowden 7
Mundy 6
Raines 5
P.Bowden 3
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Haven’t been this disappointed about a loss in a while.
We seemed to be going like winners at various stages throughout the match but never really managed to put the game away at any stage.
Not saying anything about some of the ‘home town’ umpiring decisions. Don’t think I’ll be able to watch that game again for some time, unless it’s in a straight jacket and wearing a muzzle.
While I’m at it, please someone tell me what is it about the FoxFooty telecast from Perth. Are they from another galaxy or something? Why do they incessantly pan to the bench when play is frantically in progress, or when a player is having a shot for goal? Isn’t that partly why they have commentators – to tell us what’s going on that we cannot see? Isn’t it simple to say, Joe Blogs is running off the field, instead of completely forgetting about the fact that play is in progress and switching to a player walking off the ground or sitting on the bench? Why is it a hard decision to make which piece of ‘action’ to go with? :banghead
I’m a fairly patient person and I’ll wait 1,000 years to see a Richmond premiership, if I have to. Same can’t be said for my tolerance levels though, coz I reckon I lasted about 5 minutes listening to those commentators before the volume button came into play on the remote.
Please, please, please, please God, no more games in Perth that are telecast by FoxFooty. Results and umpires aside, if the commentators don’t drive you nuts, the telecast will.
Anyway, now that that’s out of the way, for now, it was a fantastic effort by our players. Obviously we still need to straighten a few things out, but considering the team that was out there, we can be proud of their efforts.
You certainly couldn’t question their application, commitment or anything like that.
One query I have though, can someone please explain to me why when the opposition kicks out, they seem to have a free run all the way down the ground to their F50? I don’t know how often this happens, but it seems really noticeable in games at times. Couldn’t imagine why we would intentionally allow that to go on, time after time, unless it’s just bad manning up by our players? Instead of letting them kick out, we might as well just start play from their F50 line.
Moving right along. P. Bowden was fantastic in the first half. Some of his efforts were courageous. And there were a number of courageous acts by players all game.
There were passages of play where it resembled more a rugby scrum and you just had to wait for the ball to spill out before either side could gain an advantage. Neither side gave an inch.
It was a good game to learn from, especially for a young team in foreign conditions. Although it doesn’t seem to be so much ‘foreign’ conditions; more like alien conditions. I’m sure our players will look forward to getting onto the MCG in front of a home ground.
In the past when coaches have said they want their fans to turn up and give the interstate teams a taste of their own medicine, I thought it was just a bit of theatre. But after last night’s game, makes you realise what they mean.
Nothing to be embarrassed about and we can take a lot of heart from that effort. Just shows that TW’s message is getting through and players are improving and getting better. Can’t complain about that.
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One query I have though, can someone please explain to me why when the opposition kicks out, they seem to have a free run all the way down the ground to their F50? I don’t know how often this happens, but it seems really noticeable in games at times. Couldn’t imagine why we would intentionally allow that to go on, time after time, unless it’s just bad manning up by our players? Instead of letting them kick out, we might as well just start play from their F50 line.
You would need to hold up the kick-in and play a zone defence to prevent that. Problem is if the ball moved quickly from the kick-in which is likely under the new rule and it gets past the zone then their forward line is open. I think there's a bit of truth in your last sentence TS. Give up ground and make it difficult for them to enter their forward 50 then hope to catch them on the counter.
There were passages of play where it resembled more a rugby scrum and you just had to wait for the ball to spill out before either side could gain an advantage. Neither side gave an inch.
Blame the umps for that. Took them an eternity to blow the whistle for ball-ups.
I’m sure our players will look forward to getting onto the MCG in front of a home ground.
In the past when coaches have said they want their fans to turn up and give the interstate teams a taste of their own medicine, I thought it was just a bit of theatre. But after last night’s game, makes you realise what they mean.
Now we have to wait till....... whenever the next time we play them at the 'G whenever that is thanks to not playing every side home and away :scream.
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You would need to hold up the kick-in and play a zone defence to prevent that. Problem is if the ball moved quickly from the kick-in which is likely under the new rule and it gets past the zone then their forward line is open. I think there's a bit of truth in your last sentence TS. Give up ground and make it difficult for them to enter their forward 50 then hope to catch them on the counter.
Maybe I’ll catch on soon MT. Thanks for that. Explains what I wanted to know. :thumbsup
One other thing, does this seem to happen more often against certain teams, or it’s just rough of the green kind of stuff?
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You would need to hold up the kick-in and play a zone defence to prevent that. Problem is if the ball moved quickly from the kick-in which is likely under the new rule and it gets past the zone then their forward line is open. I think there's a bit of truth in your last sentence TS. Give up ground and make it difficult for them to enter their forward 50 then hope to catch them on the counter.
Maybe I’ll catch on soon MT. Thanks for that. Explains what I wanted to know. :thumbsup
One other thing, does this seem to happen more often against certain teams, or it’s just rough of the green kind of stuff?
I would need to check pro-stats but from memory the doggies are the best at going "coast-to-coast" from full-back and scoring. So yes some sides are much better at it than others. Going by the teams we've played I would say the Swans were the best at defending against a quick kick-in. They were quick to man-up which made it harder for us to get a kick-in. Mind you we didn't make it that hard for them with our lack of harding running for each other.
The simplest solution to avoiding the opposition kicking-in quickly and going the length of the ground is to kick the ball between the two big sticks in the first place. Polo and Hyde missed two very gettable shots which directly resulted in Freo goals. The old 2-goal turnaround. Joel stepping over the line and then kicking it OOF with two of his kick-ins resulted in another 2 goals for Freo. Add Cogs' dropped mark, Razor's brain implosion and Gas' fumble that's 3 more. Then add the dodgy umpiring (Polo's mark not paid, Medhurst's goal that was touched, Sugar's goal that was touched over the line) and that's 10 goals all up. It only takes a few crucial mistakes to make a huge difference to a result.
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I would need to check pro-stats but from memory the doggies are the best at going "coast-to-coast" from full-back and scoring. So yes some sides are much better at it than others. Going by the teams we've played I would say the Swans were the best at defending against a quick kick-in. They were quick to man-up which made it harder for us to get a kick-in. Mind you we didn't make it that hard for them with our lack of harding running for each other.
I’m not prepared to go back and watch the game again just yet, as it would just be opening up festering wounds, so I’ll have to go from memory, but it seemed to me that there were times we made it too easy for Freo, when they were kicking out. The thing was that it seemed to come from nowhere all of a sudden. The frustrating part was that I think it happened about 3 times in a short space of time and we didn’t seem to switch on to it. But for the majority of the match our players seem to stick to their guns pretty well.
The simplest solution to avoiding the opposition kicking-in quickly and going the length of the ground is to kick the ball between the two big sticks in the first place. Polo and Hyde missed two very gettable shots which directly resulted in Freo goals. The old 2-goal turnaround. Joel stepping over the line and then kicking it OOF with two of his kick-ins resulted in another 2 goals for Freo. Add Cogs' dropped mark, Razor's brain implosion and Gas' fumble that's 3 more. Then add the dodgy umpiring (Polo's mark not paid, Medhurst's goal that was touched, Sugar's goal that was touched over the line) and that's 10 goals all up. It only takes a few crucial mistakes to make a huge difference to a result.
I think that all shows we’ve still got lots of work to do. That game was good experience for the players because if we’re going to be a good side then they’ll be in that situation many times in the future. With experience, hopefully we'll get a better result.
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Got to say I am a lot calmer now than I was last night after the game - sleep is a wonderful thing ;D
My demeanour was not helped last night by those feral Freo fans. And BTW they are stupid
But I maybe calmer but I am no less bitterly disappointed than I was last night.
Freo did not win that game we lost it.
The only word I could think of last night on the long flight back (with the majority of the team I might add) was
UNACCEPTABLE
7 minutes to go 14 points up you shouldn't lose.
I agree the umpires were terrible but in the last 7 minutes the umpires were not responsible for...
* Mark Coughlan dropping a chest mark 15 metres out from the Freo goal that resulted in the Carr getting a goal.
* Ray Hall's brain explosion
* Poor skill errors and decision making coming out to the back half in those final 7 minutes which included...
* trying to pinpoint passes to one on one contests when a 50 metre kick down the line would have served us better
* Joel Bowden running forward 60 metres out and having an empty goal square because Tambling and Simmonds are leading to a pocket and then kicking it to... Tambling who had 2 opponents
Gee I feel better now ;D
Did Hall actually run too far, is it how many steps or how far you travel in distance?
Distance travelled. Ray got himself into trouble and should have conceded a behind. He took the mark. He then took 2 steps off the line and was called to play on, then he went 3 steps forward, 5 back, 4 sideways and then ran without bouncing for about 8-9 steps. That's close to 20 steps in my book.
I will give credit to Freo when we tried to slow it down they played man on man and it stuffed us and some of blokes didn't know what to do. From that they will learn