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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 25, 2011, 06:15:11 AM
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Fire away ......
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Out: Edwards, Rance
In: Thursfield or Moore(if moore okay he should get the nod) and Tuck.
Would like them to bring in Derrickx and Taylor if possible but I don't think going to be wholesale changes
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I can't believe what some people must watch? Edwards job on Murphy in the 2nd half was fantastic, don't see the purpose of whipping someone for whippings sake! Edwards added another string to his bow last night and he won't be going anywhere!
King in for Helbig
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I can't believe what some people must watch? Edwards job on Murphy in the 2nd half was fantastic, don't see the purpose of whipping someone for whippings sake! Edwards added another string to his bow last night and he won't be going anywhere!
King in for Helbig
Same for Rance, he played hard tough footy more than I can say about anyone el's in the side last night! yes he may have gave a goal or two away but he also saved a couple!!
I would be putting a rocket up Delideo's arse, He was our worst last night by a mile, a player of his calliber should be setting examples and last night he was playing for himself, not the team.....
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I thought that we were a runner short last night, but Axel was sick so that might be the explanation.
Having the three newbies and Nahas made for four lightweight bodies, which was four too many. I'm all for playing the kids, so for me, Connors in, Nahas out, bigger bodied utility as the sub (maybe Dea or Tuck)
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I can't believe what some people must watch? Edwards job on Murphy in the 2nd half was fantastic, don't see the purpose of whipping someone for whippings sake! Edwards added another string to his bow last night and he won't be going anywhere!
Same for Rance, he played hard tough footy more than I can say about anyone el's in the side last night! yes he may have gave a goal or two away but he also saved a couple!!
I would be putting a rocket up Delideo's behind, He was our worst last night by a mile, a player of his calliber should be setting examples and last night he was playing for himself, not the team.....
Spot on :clapping
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The contrast between Lids and Judd was quite striking last night I felt. Unfair? Well Lids often gets referred to as elite and is often spoken about in the same context as players like Judd. Perhaps it is unfair. Perhaps we should reassess our expectations of Lids. Good average player, not elite.
(I HATE stuffing JUDD. Epitome of everything Carlton, smug piece of poo. Great player though.)
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No change, give 'em another week.
I don't think anyone was terrible, but we need to get more centre clearances.
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I can't believe what some people must watch? Edwards job on Murphy in the 2nd half was fantastic, don't see the purpose of whipping someone for whippings sake! Edwards added another string to his bow last night and he won't be going anywhere!
King in for Helbig
Same for Rance, he played hard tough footy more than I can say about anyone el's in the side last night! yes he may have gave a goal or two away but he also saved a couple!!
I would be putting a rocket up Delideo's behind, He was our worst last night by a mile, a player of his calliber should be setting examples and last night he was playing for himself, not the team.....
well said
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I would be putting a rocket up Delideo's behind, He was our worst last night by a mile, a player of his calliber should be setting examples and last night he was playing for himself, not the team.....
Granted his first half wasn't great but I thought his 2nd hald in particular his 3rd quarter was very good. Don't let that huge error in the fibnal qtr determine his efforts for the entire game
As for "playing for himself and not the team" ...er....no.....not even close.
Most selfish effort on the night belongs Robin Nahas in the 3rd taking when we were streaming forward and decided to take on the opposition when the clear & correct options was to release to OMG Deledio who was clear :banghead....
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I thought that we were a runner short last night, but Axel was sick so that might be the explanation.
Having the three newbies and Nahas made for four lightweight bodies, which was four too many. I'm all for playing the kids, so for me, Connors in, Nahas out, bigger bodied utility as the sub (maybe Dea or Tuck)
Based on Nahas performance last night I cant see him being omitted. I have been a big critic of him over the last season and pre season, he made me eat humble pie. Was excellent in his chasing, pressure, desperation! Actually don't recall him falling to ground once last night?
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Based on Nahas performance last night I cant see him being omitted. I have been a big critic of him over the last season and pre season, he made me eat humble pie. Was excellent in his chasing, pressure, desperation! Actually don't recall him falling to ground once last night?
DOn't think he will be dropped but I thought that act of selfish stupidity in the 3rd cost us a massive opportunity. He does it too often. Actually about 5 mins later, same type of play and he made the right call took the first option and low and behold we got a goal :o
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King in for someone would be the only change.
and start Conners on the field and have someone else as sub (Foley maybe)
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When does Coburg start playing?
There are probably a half a dozen players I'd like to drop - I just don't know who has enough form for us to bring into the 22.
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I would be putting a rocket up Delideo's behind, He was our worst last night by a mile, a player of his calliber should be setting examples and last night he was playing for himself, not the team.....
Granted his first half wasn't great but I thought his 2nd hald in particular his 3rd quarter was very good. Don't let that huge error in the fibnal qtr determine his efforts for the entire game
As for "playing for himself and not the team" ...er....no.....not even close.
Most selfish effort on the night belongs Robin Nahas in the 3rd taking when we were streaming forward and decided to take on the opposition when the clear & correct options was to release to OMG Deledio who was clear :banghead....
I have to disagree WP, Lid's unaccountability cost us at least a couple of goals, he dis improve in the second half for sure but hey a guy of his standard with the games he now has under his belt should be playing solid football at the least for all four quarters. It's not as if he was being tagged out of the game, he didn't play to structure and he didn't look as damaging as he can even when he had the ball. Also note, I never judge a players game on one mistake, I had forgot about the short kick of his that went wrong but unfortunately that just summed up his night really.
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Foley out - stuffing useless injury ridden dud.
Fair dinkum,what a waste of space.
In King
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WP I disagree. I thought Lis didnt do enough last night. Most players in the 3rd quarter were good. But when the game was in the balance in the last quarter - Judd stood out like a beckon and Lids went awol. There was a passage in the last quarter when Judd ran past Lids into the fwd 50 ...Lids wasnt sprinting to catch Judd...
I dont think Lids works hard enough when going the other way...with his pace he should be racking up the tackles and running guys down - he doesnt. He is skillful and courageous but imho not defensive enough.
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No change let the kids have another go on the big stage on Friday Night Footy against the Aints.
BTW
Lids was woeful last night. One of his worst games in recent memory for mine.
Agree WP with your assessment on Nahas that passage in the third taking on the extra man and then dishing off to a man who was under pressure and dispossesed. We were streaming down the ground at the time was awful play should've dished off first time and as you put it very selfish. JUst for thie purpose of this conversation we got a goal out of it a 20 pt lead at 3qt time may or may not have produced a different result.
I thought Rance was good last night and when he got caught by Betts in the second was from a handball and no communication or shepherd from a teammate. At least for mine Rance was trying to create something.
Lets take a deep breath pause compose ourselves and see how the kids go next week against a top 4 side from the last three years. :thumbsup
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Foley out - effing useless injury ridden dud.
Fair dinkum,what a waste of space.
In King
settle down. foley had gastro the whole week that's why he was subbed off, not cos of injury.
get your facts right
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Foley out - effing useless injury ridden dud.
Fair dinkum,what a waste of space.
In King
settle down. foley had gastro the whole week that's why he was subbed off, not cos of injury.
get your facts right
I think brackets is referring to Foley's history of injuries, just to clarify.
I agree though peggles, watch Foley tear the Aint's a new one next Friday :thumbsup
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Based on Nahas performance last night I cant see him being omitted. I have been a big critic of him over the last season and pre season, he made me eat humble pie. Was excellent in his chasing, pressure, desperation! Actually don't recall him falling to ground once last night?
DOn't think he will be dropped but I thought that act of selfish stupidity in the 3rd cost us a massive opportunity. He does it too often. Actually about 5 mins later, same type of play and he made the right call took the first option and low and behold we got a goal :o
I'll agree that Nahas was less worse than usual, but I saw a number of times when he was easily pushed aside or bumped out of contests that, if he were bigger, he would have been in with a chance of winning.
I agree that he was out there chasing, pressuring and being desperate. I was also looking for him to fall over, but he managed to stay on his feet as he was being pushed out of the way by the stronger Blooze. He just aint big enough to compete on the playing field. On that basis, he has to go.
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Lids has a slow start to every season, add to that the fact that he's barely played in the preseason and I don't know why people are so surprised
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Lids has a slow start to every season, add to that the fact that he's barely played in the preseason and I don't know why people are so surprised
True, but it is still sad to see one of our A graders play like that last night in such a crucial game, I am sure he will drastically improve as the season wears on.......
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Lids has a slow start to every season, add to that the fact that he's barely played in the preseason and I don't know why people are so surprised
True, but it is still sad to see one of our A graders play like that last night in such a crucial game, I am sure he will drastically improve as the season wears on.......
As good as Lids is he has played alot of his best footy when the heat in our season has been extinguished. Last night was eye opening for me. Maybe I am blind but he really did need to stand up whilst we were under pressure and hold firm. He's in his 7th season. Some may see this as harsh and it may be a one off but I hope so but that was his worst effort IMHO.
Last night kind of reminded me of the Coll v Rich game in 2001 when Collingwood in the last quarter fought back from four or five goals down at 3 quarter time to level up only for Brodders to come off the bench and win us the match by a couple of goals.
Last night I felt was similar. I felt if he stood up to the pressure and manufacured one goal it may have broken the Filth resolve after having so much of it for no result and we may have kicked another one or two goals to see out the game. Lids individually cannot be blamed for the loss but individually his efforts were selfish and second rate and from a leader in a situation like that of a young side that is unacceptable slow start to the season or not.
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Lids had an ordinary night but so too did Newman and Cotch up until half time. I don't think we should be dropping our best player based on one bad performance...
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Lids has a slow start to every season, add to that the fact that he's barely played in the preseason and I don't know why people are so surprised
I'm surprised at how loose he was - they were going through his man time and again and tearing us apart in the process. Sometimes you have to batton down the hatches, forget about getting loose and shut out your opponent when you're a defender. Yes hes clearly underdone but I was dissapointed in Lids last night. Needs to identify quicker that he needs to tighten up at certain times in a match and work into it from there
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Lids had an ordinary night but so too did Newman and Cotch up until half time. I don't think we should be dropping our best player based on one bad performance...
The point we are making is not to drop Lids or Rance but if Rance is to be dropped for a few errors he made despite his overall good game and effort then using that theory Lids should be dropped also for a poor game. No one is bigger than the team.
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Get off lids back ya pricks
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I cannot believe anyone would want to drop Helbig after his performance he was a shining light. As for Edwards Murphy had 19 possessions to half time and Edwards gave away a goal just before half time when we were beginning to close the gap. I don't believe it is too harsh to be critical of him. His use of the ball was not good. We can't afford to give away cheap possession and easily goals
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Get off lids back ya pricks
Why? No one is immune from having a bad game...and he had a shocker. Call a spade a spade.
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Agree with the comments regarding Lids.
Deledio must start to impose himself on games or he may end up playing 200 matches without playing finals.
After 7 years its not enough for him to just be a "superstar" by Richmond standards....He has to become a bona fide AFL superstar.
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I honestly don't think we will see any changes, unless they are forced.
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I reckon Jake King will come in for who?
I am not sure to honest
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Agree with the comments regarding Lids.
Deledio must start to impose himself on games or he may end up playing 200 matches without playing finals.
After 7 years its not enough for him to just be a "superstar" by Richmond standards....He has to become a bona fide AFL superstar.
In all honesty I don't know if he has that indefinable quality required to be amongst the very best. Has the tools to be elite of elite but of his 100+ games, how many can you honestly say he grabbed the game by the balls and imposed himself on it? Don't think he is a big game player. A very good player but hes no matchwinner or gamebreaker which I find dissapointing bc he should be with those tools!
edit: and this is not an over reaction due to one poor game, have been thinking this for a while - I love the bloke and will him to become a dominator but he just isnt that type
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WP I disagree. I thought Lis didnt do enough last night. Most players in the 3rd quarter were good. But when the game was in the balance in the last quarter - Judd stood out like a beckon and Lids went awol. There was a passage in the last quarter when Judd ran past Lids into the fwd 50 ...Lids wasnt sprinting to catch Judd...
I dont think Lids works hard enough when going the other way...with his pace he should be racking up the tackles and running guys down - he doesnt. He is skillful and courageous but imho not defensive enough.
I never said Lids had a great game - I just thought his 3rd qtr was very good like a number of other players who had poor first halves. I thought his 3rd qtr was very good, showing good leadership along with Cotch who had also had a poor game to that point. For both their chasing and 2nd efforts in the 3rd were great but they need to do it for 4 qtrs not 2 or 3
What last night showed in part was that we paid dearly for taking blokes into the game with not enough pre-season action in their legs. The 3 standouts in that category were Lids, Newman & based on what Dimma said Connors. I am still scratching my head as to why we didn't take the opportunity last week to give these guys a run around in the VFL if only for half a game to get their fitness up
Just on Judd - did you notice Judd's not chasing of our captain as Newy was storming through the middle in the 3rd. You speak of leadership, that was a distincty lack of leadership by a captain right there - which is what I think you are being critical of Lids about. Also there were times where Judd just stood on the outside of contests when he needed to get in there and help his team mates.
Fortunately for Mr 360 and his "non chase" we turned the ball over a few seconds later and he happended to be in the right place at the right time to get a relatively cheap possession. But I do agree his leadership in the final qtr was very good, he stood up when he needed too
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I reckon Jake King will come in for who?
I am not sure to honest
WP whilst probably doesnt deserve to be dropped what about Helbig?
Possibly swap for Kingy Edwards?
It is hard cos the guys he competes with for the same position(s) played ok.
Now if you could swap him for Gus... :)
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Lids has a slow start to every season, add to that the fact that he's barely played in the preseason and I don't know why people are so surprised
True, but it is still sad to see one of our A graders play like that last night in such a crucial game, I am sure he will drastically improve as the season wears on.......
well said.
Whatsmore,he does it all the time which is why he will never be a true A grader.
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Lids had a bad game. Judd had a good game. its quite simple. No need to start making sweeping statements about his career.
I think most would agree that he was excellent for us last year, and he's coming off an interrupted pre-season. Maybe we should cut him some effin slack.
in other news, I thought Rancey played very well last night. :thumbsup
Contested fiercely and looked more composed than ever. Fingers crossed he's turned the corner.
Stoked with Concanuts and Batch too.
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WP whilst probably doesnt deserve to be dropped what about Helbig?
Possibly swap for Kingy Edwards?
It is hard cos the guys he competes with for the same position(s) played ok.
Now if you could swap him for Gus... :)
I don't like dropping kids straight after their first game. I am firm believer in giving them a few games (at least 3). So I wouldn't drop Helbig
Edwards - is an option I suppose but is an unlikely
The other option and this is because I am not a fan of the bloke but because he's clearly lacking a helluva lot of match fitness is Connors. Don't see any benefit of having a half fit "sub"
Being really harsh - I would consider dropping Nahas based solely on his selfish brain fade in the 3rd - yes that's how disgusted I was by it
Sadly Gus will hold his spot unless DerrickX is OK to go or BrownE playes a blinder tomorrow for Coburg ( :pray :pray)
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Agree with the comments regarding Lids.
Deledio must start to impose himself on games or he may end up playing 200 matches without playing finals.
After 7 years its not enough for him to just be a "superstar" by Richmond standards....He has to become a bona fide AFL superstar.
deledio might play 300 games and not play a final.
He is only one of 22 players.
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What about:
Helbig for King.
Nahas/Edwards for Tuck.
Now thats only based on what I have read around the traps.
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i dont think you can drop a kid after there first game. king will come in but it should be for someone else.
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I reckon Jake King will come in for who?
I am not sure to honest
Helbig
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"Being really harsh - I would consider dropping Nahas based solely on his selfish brain fade in the 3rd - yes that's how disgusted I was by it"
Watch the game again WP!!!!!!!!! Nahas was one of our most constructive players! You cannot ask the kid to take them on and then get upset when he makes a mistake. And yes you are being WAY to harsh.
I bet you all the tea in China, Nahas does not get dropped next week.
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I bet you all the tea in China, Nahas does not get dropped next week.
Ceylon has all the tea mate. None left in China. Just concrete jungles, rice paddies and swamps.
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i dont think you can drop a kid after there first game. king will come in but it should be for someone else.
Agree you can't drop a first gamer you would play them for at least 3 or 4 games.
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who plays on Nick Riewoldt?
Wouldnt try McGaune or Rance
If Moore aint right, thats leave Thursfield.
Thursfield has gone alright on Riewoldt in the past, but that was 3 years ago
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As for Edwards Murphy had 19 possessions to half time and Edwards gave away a goal just before half time when we were beginning to close the gap. I don't believe it is too harsh to be critical of him. His use of the ball was not good. We can't afford to give away cheap possession and easily goals
Edwards wasn't on Murphy until AFTER half time, he was specifically sent to him after he had such a strong first half.
As for whoever said that Lids needed to stand up in such a critical game, again I remind you that Lids barely had a preseason and is clearly underdone, secondly... how on earth was last night a "critical" game? It was round 1 after we finished 15th the year before. Finals and games to make the finals are critical, Round 1 in a development year isn't.
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As for Edwards Murphy had 19 possessions to half time and Edwards gave away a goal just before half time when we were beginning to close the gap. I don't believe it is too harsh to be critical of him. His use of the ball was not good. We can't afford to give away cheap possession and easily goals
Edwards wasn't on Murphy until AFTER half time, he was specifically sent to him after he had such a strong first half.
As for whoever said that Lids needed to stand up in such a critical game, again I remind you that Lids barely had a preseason and is clearly underdone, secondly... how on earth was last night a "critical" game? It was round 1 after we finished 15th the year before. Finals and games to make the finals are critical, Round 1 in a development year isn't.
Infamay, I said it and I will re literate my case tomorow, stay tuned......
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Edwards might be the only one to make way for Post 8)
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As for whoever said that Lids needed to stand up in such a critical game, again I remind you that Lids barely had a preseason and is clearly underdone, secondly... how on earth was last night a "critical" game? It was round 1 after we finished 15th the year before. Finals and games to make the finals are critical, Round 1 in a development year isn't.
Mate, I probably over exaggerated a little but surly a round 1 clash in front of 70,000 people with the whole AFL community tuned in, a game that is in threat of us loosing because of past poor performances and a game that could in reality make or break or season has to be classed as an important match if not critical??
Yes it's only round 1 but hey how good would a win have been for a number of reasons?
As for Lids Yes he had a interrupted pre season but so did Judd and he still manged to rip us a new one. All I am saying is it's time for Lids to stand up and consistently be the player we all no he can be. He is playing across half back, it's not the hardest position in the world to play is it? He should have and could have played better!
With a bit of luck he will realise this himself and fire up next week but as a club if we are going to go forward he is one player thats need to make more of an impact and not just be there for the ride like he was on Thursday!!
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Maybe he could have played better, but you know what, he didn't play that bad a game after half time.
Sure he made a mistake towards the end of the game, but he doesn't make many it stands out because its so rare
I'm sure plenty will be eating their words in a few weeks time
That post was not exactly worth the announcement of "Stay tuned until tomorrow" either, you wrote two small paragraphs, not War & Peace
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Maybe he could have played better, but you know what, he didn't play that bad a game after half time.
He had the same amount of possessions in the first half that he had in the second? the second quarter was his best stats wise but still he only averages 5 touches per quarter for the game, this was the problem.
I'm sure plenty will be eating their words in a few weeks time
I not sure anyone will be eating there words? All's been said is he had a bad game, i'm sure he will play better in weeks to come but in reality he has to be doesn't he??
That post was not exactly worth the announcement of "Stay tuned until tomorrow" either, you wrote two small paragraphs, not War & Peace
Yeah, sorry about that, I was feeling a little tougher last night after a couple of beers, I just couldn't see the keyboard to type it out ;D ;D ;D :cheers
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Maybe he could have played better, but you know what, he didn't play that bad a game after half time.
He had the same amount of possessions in the first half that he had in the second? the second quarter was his best stats wise but still he only averages 5 touches per quarter for the game, this was the problem.
You do know that is only 1-1.2 disposals a quarter off his average over the last two years where he has been in the AA squad?
This off almost no preseason
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Maybe he could have played better, but you know what, he didn't play that bad a game after half time.
He had the same amount of possessions in the first half that he had in the second? the second quarter was his best stats wise but still he only averages 5 touches per quarter for the game, this was the problem.
You do know that is only 1-1.2 disposals a quarter off his average over the last two years where he has been in the AA squad?
This off almost no preseason
Cool, we clearly beg to differ. I am sure he will turn it around next week, I can't wait to really see him hit his straps, as I have said he is an important part of the cog, at the least the run will do him good.
Cheers
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thats a fair call tassie tiger. Lids made two shocking errors that resulted in goals to the scum that if had been made by some other players would have resulted in a barrage of calls for their head on a stick.
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Half the time he was trying to punch the ball away from the bloody Other teams ruckman.
As for whoever said that Lids needed to stand up in such a critical game, again I remind you that Lids barely had a preseason and is clearly underdone, secondly... how on earth was last night a "critical" game? It was round 1 after we finished 15th the year before. Finals and games to make the finals are critical, Round 1 in a development year isn't.
Mate, I probably over exaggerated a little but surly a round 1 clash in front of 70,000 people with the whole AFL community tuned in, a game that is in threat of us loosing because of past poor performances and a game that could in reality make or break or season has to be classed as an important match if not critical??
Yes it's only round 1 but hey how good would a win have been for a number of reasons?
As for Lids Yes he had a interrupted pre season but so did Judd and he still manged to rip us a new one. All I am saying is it's time for Lids to stand up and consistently be the player we all no he can be. He is playing across half back, it's not the hardest position in the world to play is it? He should have and could have played better!
With a bit of luck he will realise this himself and fire up next week but as a club if we are going to go forward he is one player thats need to make more of an impact and not just be there for the ride like he was on Thursday!!
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Maybe he could have played better, but you know what, he didn't play that bad a game after half time.
He had the same amount of possessions in the first half that he had in the second? the second quarter was his best stats wise but still he only averages 5 touches per quarter for the game, this was the problem.
You do know that is only 1-1.2 disposals a quarter off his average over the last two years where he has been in the AA squad?
This off almost no preseason
Cool, we clearly beg to differ. I am sure he will turn it around next week, I can't wait to really see him hit his straps, as I have said he is an important part of the cog, at the least the run will do him good.
Cheers
Let me guess Tiger from Tas, you were not at the game???
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"Being really harsh - I would consider dropping Nahas based solely on his selfish brain fade in the 3rd - yes that's how disgusted I was by it"
Watch the game again WP!!!!!!!!! Nahas was one of our most constructive players! You cannot ask the kid to take them on and then get upset when he makes a mistake. And yes you are being WAY to harsh.
I bet you all the tea in China, Nahas does not get dropped next week.
Firstly big tone I don't like tea ;D
Have I at any point said Nahas played a shocking game - that he was terrible?
No what I've said and you wont change my mind on it was the "selfish brain fade" was extremely costly and it was a very low point of the night - we had sunch momentum and for a few minutes we lost that we had a 14 point lead at 3/4 time I reckon that turn over easily cost another goal. For me it was a stand out turnover but I might add it wans't the only time he did it. Yeah he was constuctive on a number occassions BUT sometimes you have to do the team things not try and be the hero.
And I wonder that if it had of been Edwards or Jackson who did it would some people so forgiving?
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Maybe he could have played better, but you know what, he didn't play that bad a game after half time.
He had the same amount of possessions in the first half that he had in the second? the second quarter was his best stats wise but still he only averages 5 touches per quarter for the game, this was the problem.
You do know that is only 1-1.2 disposals a quarter off his average over the last two years where he has been in the AA squad?
This off almost no preseason
Cool, we clearly beg to differ. I am sure he will turn it around next week, I can't wait to really see him hit his straps, as I have said he is an important part of the cog, at the least the run will do him good.
Cheers
Let me guess Tiger from Tas, you were not at the game???
Can tell your guessing Big Tone, Section M23 Row BB seat 6 AFL in the members if you really want all the details!
Why do you ask, I also watched the game on at home on replay adn Guess what, lids didn't play any better in my lounge than he did at the G, go figure :wallywink :wallywink
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"Being really harsh - I would consider dropping Nahas based solely on his selfish brain fade in the 3rd - yes that's how disgusted I was by it"
Watch the game again WP!!!!!!!!! Nahas was one of our most constructive players! You cannot ask the kid to take them on and then get upset when he makes a mistake. And yes you are being WAY to harsh.
I bet you all the tea in China, Nahas does not get dropped next week.
Firstly big tone I don't like tea ;D
Have I at any point said Nahas played a shocking game - that he was terrible?
No what I've said and you wont change my mind on it was the "selfish brain fade" was extremely costly and it was a very low point of the night - we had sunch momentum and for a few minutes we lost that we had a 14 point lead at 3/4 time I reckon that turn over easily cost another goal. For me it was a stand out turnover but I might add it wans't the only time he did it. Yeah he was constuctive on a number occassions BUT sometimes you have to do the team things not try and be the hero.
And I wonder that if it had of been Edwards or Jackson who did it would some people so forgiving?
I'll say it again for you WP, watch the game again!!! Just sat down with a nice hot cup of tea and did so myself. :thumbsup I seriously don't see any game altering distusting selfish brain fade by Nahas. I know i will not change your mind on this because that may mean you would have to admit you are wrong. You get an opinion in your head about some of our players and regardless of what they do or how they play, you still cannot seem to admit they have improved.
I'm sure you will ask for an example of such players so i will give you a few, Gus Conners and now Nahas
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Let me guess Tiger from Tas, you were not at the game???
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Hate that type of post, just arrogant crap.
But totally agree about your view on Nahas - he can build from that game but it becomes the norm not the exception.
Clearly you were at the game :lol
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who plays on Nick Riewoldt?
Wouldnt try McGaune or Rance
If Moore aint right, thats leave Thursfield.
Thursfield has gone alright on Riewoldt in the past, but that was 3 years ago
think you'll find Mcguane has played well on him in the past...do your homework :shh
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McGuane went alright on thursday, not sure I want him on Riewie though.
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I'll say it again for you WP, watch the game again!!! Just sat down with a nice hot cup of tea and did so myself. :thumbsup I seriously don't see any game altering distusting selfish brain fade by Nahas. I know i will not change your mind on this because that may mean you would have to admit you are wrong. You get an opinion in your head about some of our players and regardless of what they do or how they play, you still cannot seem to admit they have improved.
I'm sure you will ask for an example of such players so i will give you a few, Gus Conners and now Nahas
I will sat it again big tone i dont like tea; I don't drink the stuff!!!!! So for me it will need to be a nice hot cup of coffee :thumbsup
I will watch the game again when I get my copy of it during the week.
If I am wrong I will admit it.
But I will repeat the play where Nahas failed to release the ball to Deledio in the third as we were streaming forward was an incredibly selfish piece of play that cost us. It was a brain fade and was a blight on the blokes overall game. That's what I've said repeatedly and that's what I believe.
Has Nahas improved on 2010?
One game into 2011 it is far to early to say but yes Friday night was an improvement on his pre-season efforts. But sorry 1 game does not mean overall improvment in any players game, play like he did on Friday with less of the selfish stuff and more of the team stuff consistently, then I'll be the first to say well done kid; you've improved. If he goes back to falling over and being a turnover merchant then I will be watching to see how people here who've praised him this week after bagging relentlessly in the past react. ;D
Now as for Gus. Has Gus improved? Based on Friday night you'd have to say NOPE he's gone backwards. He was shocking. Errr Gus = bad example ;D
Connors? Well I am not sure why he played to be honest if what they say about his limited pre-season game time meant he was so 'underdone'. Don't agree with playing half fit players as sub; especially one who's not reknowned for his fitenss anyway, coupled with playing a couple of others who were also underdone + the one who had the ...er... poohs. But I digrese, has he improved? Who knows let's revisit that at the say the half way point of the season..
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Out Edwards (enoughs enough !!), Helbig
In Tuck (Must play against St Kilda), King
Deledio must go to CHF
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1) Moore for McGone
2) King for Edwards.
3) Derrickx for graham. Gus is soft. Eff off.
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who plays on Nick Riewoldt?
Wouldnt try McGaune or Rance
If Moore aint right, thats leave Thursfield.
Thursfield has gone alright on Riewoldt in the past, but that was 3 years ago
think you'll find Mcguane has played well on him in the past...do your homework :shh
Done my homework, he got flogged, then played on Kosi and Kosi kicked 5 for the game :banghead
Give me a break
If Kosi plays we will get flogged, only plays one good game a year, and usually against us, as we want to play short defenders like Rance and co on him
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That 5 goal haul from Kosi actually made me sick.
Its a farce how we cant even contain such a dud like that.
Can almost guarantee Kosi will play this week after narrowly missing this week
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I hope he does.
Rance can play lose on him, and belt into the greenhorn when his peripheral vision is typically distracted.
GOODNIGHT 2011.
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Rance on Kosi ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Thursfield to come in to play on Riewoldt.
I hope Rance is cleared by the MRP.
That may make us too tall with Astbury McGuane and Rance.
I really am finding changes this week a real dilemma. :-\
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I wouldn't make a change but if we do make any I can only see the outs coming from Connors and/or Morton with maybe Tucky in to help out with the Saints grinding battle of attrition gameplan and Kingy in for his tackling and chasing pressure up forward (not his kicking though :P ).
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I think we're a chance, we're at the 'G, Jack loves playing the Sainters and they looked terrible last week.
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Have tuck and WC patched up their differences? :lol
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Betts running rampant. :banghead
Gee my old man could beat Betts.
That was the disappointing thing of the night for me.
Who was on him?
Newmo?
Newmo had a good game but needs to up the pressure.
And that girl Waite.
Gee I miss the old days.
Balme woulda flattened the idiot.
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In light of Rance's suspension reiterate call for Moore if okay or Thursfield to be called into side. Drop Edwards for Tuck. Bring in King at the expense of Connors if possible.
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Probably not physically strong enough yet but any chance of Grimes coming in for Rance? The only other option appears to be Thursty but he's strictly a stopper/spoiler.
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with his ok record on riewoldt i would say thursty is a good thing though i would love to see grimes in..
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I'll say it again for you WP, watch the game again!!! Just sat down with a nice hot cup of tea and did so myself. :thumbsup I seriously don't see any game altering distusting selfish brain fade by Nahas. I know i will not change your mind on this because that may mean you would have to admit you are wrong. You get an opinion in your head about some of our players and regardless of what they do or how they play, you still cannot seem to admit they have improved.
I'm sure you will ask for an example of such players so i will give you a few, Gus Conners and now Nahas
I will sat it again big tone i dont like tea; I don't drink the stuff!!!!! So for me it will need to be a nice hot cup of coffee :thumbsup
I will watch the game again when I get my copy of it during the week.
If I am wrong I will admit it.
But I will repeat the play where Nahas failed to release the ball to Deledio in the third as we were streaming forward was an incredibly selfish piece of play that cost us. It was a brain fade and was a blight on the blokes overall game. That's what I've said repeatedly and that's what I believe.
Has Nahas improved on 2010?
One game into 2011 it is far to early to say but yes Friday night was an improvement on his pre-season efforts. But sorry 1 game does not mean overall improvment in any players game, play like he did on Friday with less of the selfish stuff and more of the team stuff consistently, then I'll be the first to say well done kid; you've improved. If he goes back to falling over and being a turnover merchant then I will be watching to see how people here who've praised him this week after bagging relentlessly in the past react. ;D
Now as for Gus. Has Gus improved? Based on Friday night you'd have to say NOPE he's gone backwards. He was shocking. Errr Gus = bad example ;D
Connors? Well I am not sure why he played to be honest if what they say about his limited pre-season game time meant he was so 'underdone'. Don't agree with playing half fit players as sub; especially one who's not reknowned for his fitenss anyway, coupled with playing a couple of others who were also underdone + the one who had the ...er... poohs. But I digrese, has he improved? Who knows let's revisit that at the say the half way point of the season..
Don't take this the wrong way WP but i'm pretty sure the coaching staff and match committee know a little more about the fitness and how DC's pre season has gone more than your good self- that's why he played the other night!
Also my question wasn't have Gus and Conner's improved this year, in one game, it was have they improved over the last 12 months. As much as you'll hate to admit it, they both had pretty good seasons last year. And if you were to take your blinkers off for a minute, you would see that. Don't be a hater WP, these guys live and breath this wonderful club so give them a go.
As for Nahas, this kid has been on our list ONE full year as a senior player. He weighs next to nothing, but has the guts to put his body and his reputation on the line for our club by trying to take the game on. He has been told by the coaching staff from day one of pre season to play on at every opportunity to open up the game, so if he gets caught occasionally, so be it. He played really well the other night and no coach with half a brain would even consider dropping him after that effort.
Anyway i hope they all come out this week and play well and we get a win! :thumbsup
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Rance forced change would have to be a straight swap for Thursty. :-\
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Rance on Kosi ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Kosi won't play, he's injurred
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Don't take this the wrong way WP but i'm pretty sure the coaching staff and match committee know a little more about the fitness and how DC's pre season has gone more than your good self- that's why he played the other night!
With all due respect big tone the fact that our coach admitted they made a mistake playing Foley when he wasn't right makes one question just that little bit more did we take too many underdone players
Also my question wasn't have Gus and Conner's improved this year, in one game, it was have they improved over the last 12 months. As much as you'll hate to admit it, they both had pretty good seasons last year. And if you were to take your blinkers off for a minute, you would see that. Don't be a hater WP, these guys live and breath this wonderful club so give them a go.
I am not sure you if you meant it to be but I found that last statement quite funny. "they live and breath this wonderful club" as opposed to people like me ;D :lol
Now that you have clarified that you were talking about 2010 as opposed ot 2011 I will admit that at times Gus showed some improvement but with Gus it's like he takes a step forward and gets us all hoping that he has turned the corner and then he stumbles 1 & half steps back. Until he starts imposing himself on games and intimidating the opposition with his size and above all else stops dropping his head and sooking when things don't go his way then people (haters isn't it ;D) will not be as critical. Firday night we got the really bad Gus and the really bad Gus still appears far too often IMO
As for Dan Connors - I have not hidden the fact that I think he is at times quite a selfish player who IMHO (and at the end of the day it is nothing but my opinion) has gotten off incredibly lightly for his past misdemenours (which I wont re-hash here) that have tarnished the club. I've I've also posted that when he concentrates on doing the team orientated things as opposed to the selfish acts including the kicking in hope long bombs he's a much better player. when he starts doing those team things on a more consitent basis I will be happy
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Don't take this the wrong way WP but i'm pretty sure the coaching staff and match committee know a little more about the fitness and how DC's pre season has gone more than your good self- that's why he played the other night!
With all due respect big tone the fact that our coach admitted they made a mistake playing Foley when he wasn't right makes one question just that little bit more did we take too many underdone players
Also my question wasn't have Gus and Conner's improved this year, in one game, it was have they improved over the last 12 months. As much as you'll hate to admit it, they both had pretty good seasons last year. And if you were to take your blinkers off for a minute, you would see that. Don't be a hater WP, these guys live and breath this wonderful club so give them a go.
I am not sure you if you meant it to be but I found that last statement quite funny. "they live and breath this wonderful club" as opposed to people like me ;D :lol
Now that you have clarified that you were talking about 2010 as opposed ot 2011 I will admit that at times Gus showed some improvement but with Gus it's like he takes a step forward and gets us all hoping that he has turned the corner and then he stumbles 1 & half steps back. Until he starts imposing himself on games and intimidating the opposition with his size and above all else stops dropping his head and sooking when things don't go his way then people (haters isn't it ;D) will not be as critical. Firday night we got the really bad Gus and the really bad Gus still appears far too often IMO
As for Dan Connors - I have not hidden the fact that I think he is at times quite a selfish player who IMHO (and at the end of the day it is nothing but my opinion) has gotten off incredibly lightly for his past misdemenours (which I wont re-hash here) that have tarnished the club. I've I've also posted that when he concentrates on doing the team orientated things as opposed to the selfish acts including the kicking in hope long bombs he's a much better player. when he starts doing those team things on a more consitent basis I will be happy
So you still think you know more than the coaches and match commitee! Because they played Axel the other night??? I find that extremelly arrogant!! I'm not sure you meant it that way but even thinking what you wrote makes me laugh. Maybe it is you that was trying to be funny??
Not sure if you consider Matthew Lloyd and Luke Darcy experts on our game but if you listen to there comments regarding Gus after quarter time, they thought he was the most dominate ruckman on the ground. I thought he did OK too. Certainly not "Bad Gus" like you seem to think. Is there any chance you judge him a little harder than you probably should due to your dislike of him?
And lastly, we all know what DC has done in the past but we all know (well maybe not you) how he seems to have turned it around. His season last year was very good (12th in B&F in 14 games) and he is a talent at our club. Now if the club forgives him for his misdemeanours, maybe you can. :lol
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batchelor - gourdis - moore
deledio - post - conca
grigg - tuck - newman
taylor - astbury cotchin
king - riewoldt - helbig
derickx - martin- foley
vickery - morton - houli - connors.
ins - moore, gourdis, post,tuck, taylor, king, derickx.
outs - mcguane, rance, graham, edwards, jackson, white, nahas.
why so many. well simple that was so pee poor what a shocker of a game. edwards was a disgrace nahas and white couldnt get a kick in a sherrin factory. jackson had his pants pulled down badly by judd, rance is injured mcguane did what exactly and graham was chewed up and spat out by warnock talk about inept.
dont know how much people saw of the round but imo we were the worst of the rnd 1 teams. totally inept for 3 quarters.
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Richmond could opt to bring in former Demon forward Brad Miller for the Saints clash. Miller was elevated from the rookie list and booted five goals for Coburg at the weekend.
St Kilda forward Justin Koschitzke could be a surprise inclusion for Friday night's game against Richmond at the MCG. Saints football manager Greg Hutchison said Koschitzke has recovered well from ankle surgery and that he would be in the mix for selection if he pulled up well after tomorrow night's training session.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/koschitzke-in-the-mix-for-saints-against-richmond-20110328-1cdg4.html
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Let's hope they bring an underdone Kosi to play, blessing in disguise, their 3 man bench will be cut one down resting him continually.
In regards to Gus, not sure what the commentators had to say about him, but if they couldn't see that he was getting another poo hole torn for him and that he looked totally disinterested in the contest going on around him then they were not watching the game. When we actually have a ruckman, we will all see what we have been missing. :o If Derickx is not fit, they should take out Gus and throw in another midfielder for him to try and leech of the opposition hitouts :P
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Richmond could opt to bring in former Demon forward Brad Miller for the Saints clash. Miller was elevated from the rookie list and booted five goals for Coburg at the weekend.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/koschitzke-in-the-mix-for-saints-against-richmond-20110328-1cdg4.html
no thanks
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Rance on Kosi ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Kosi won't play, he's injurred
wrong
Kosi is a very good chance to play.
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In regards to Gus, not sure what the commentators had to say about him, but if they couldn't see that he was getting another poo hole torn for him and that he looked totally disinterested in the contest going on around him then they were not watching the game. When we actually have a ruckman, we will all see what we have been missing. :o If Derickx is not fit, they should take out Gus and throw in another midfielder for him to try and leech of the opposition hitouts :P
So true JVT. Anyone who thought Graham's game was anything but deplorable must have been watching through blacked out lenses. He was outpointed all night and when he did effect a tapout it was almost always uncontrolled and ended up in the hands of a Carlton mid. I was disgusted in a couple of his efforts around the ground and his input was just not satisfactory for a senior AFL ruckman. He has no 'hardness' about him whatsoever and gives every impression of having an almost zero tolerance to pain or discomfort - something that will never allow him to be even remotely competitive over an AFL career. He is a sook of the highest order. How much our mids must dream of getting a fighting chance in ruck contests by having a ruckman who actually competes. I don't know if either Browne or Derrickx will make it in the long term but I'll back either of them right now to be more competitive at the very least.
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Rance on Kosi ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Kosi won't play, he's injurred
wrong
Kosi is a very good chance to play.
I see you've seen the article in the news today that says he's recovered well
He still won't play
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Richmond could opt to bring in former Demon forward Brad Miller for the Saints clash. Miller was elevated from the rookie list and booted five goals for Coburg at the weekend.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/koschitzke-in-the-mix-for-saints-against-richmond-20110328-1cdg4.html
Eff no :(
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Bring in Tuck for sure. Carlton smashed us in the clearances for a fair stretch of the game and Tucky would have turned things around in there for sure. If the X-Man is fit, I'd bring him in too. Gus always looks underdone, puffing and panting all the time. I nearly spewed my pie when I saw him make no attempt in that defensive contest with Hampson I think. Newy looked at him with an expression that said "I need a friggin ladder to contest with this this plank...you don't"
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Ok nobody bit on my Tuck and WC comment.
I have heard Tuck and WC had a bit of a stoush which is why he wasnt included in rnd 1. I dont know if this is true, but if it is then I doubt he'll be coming in this week either...
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Ok nobody bit on my Tuck and WC comment.
I have heard Tuck and WC had a bit of a stoush which is why he wasnt included in rnd 1. I dont know if this is true, but if it is then I doubt he'll be coming in this week either...
Pretty sure the EXACT same rumor was floating around the same time last year, Sounds like a load of poo to me.........
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Ok nobody bit on my Tuck and WC comment.
I have heard Tuck and WC had a bit of a stoush which is why he wasnt included in rnd 1. I dont know if this is true, but if it is then I doubt he'll be coming in this week either...
Ancient rumour
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Ok nobody bit on my Tuck and WC comment.
I have heard Tuck and WC had a bit of a stoush which is why he wasnt included in rnd 1. I dont know if this is true, but if it is then I doubt he'll be coming in this week either...
Is there anyone Campbell on an RFC playing list Campbell has allegedly not had a stoush with? :shh
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Wayne Campbell is still here?
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Tuck still on the outer; Kingy to come in ...
King set for recall
richmondfc.com.au
By Adam McNicol 3:46 PM Wed 30 Mar, 2011
FEISTY forward Jake King is almost certain to be recalled for Richmond's clash with St Kilda at the MCG on Friday night, but veteran midfielder Shane Tuck is likely to spend another week in the VFL.
King missed Richmond's opening round clash with Carlton as he was serving the one-match ban he received for striking in round 22 last year.
"Jake will be every chance," Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said on Wednesday. "He's a guy I like to have in the side.
"He brings everything we are about as a footy club. He's tough, he's resilient, he's competitive - all those sorts of things we look for in footy players."
Either Will Thursfield or Dylan Grimes will come into the team to replace fellow defender Alex Rance, who was given a three-match suspension for his high bump on Carlton's Jarrad Waite.
Many Richmond supporters were surprised to see Tuck left out of the team that lost to the Blues, and it appears he won't be recalled to play the Saints.
"He's in the squad," Hardwick said. "He's thereabouts. He had a reasonable game at Coburg last week. It's just whether we can fit him in.
"We've got Foley, Martin, Cotchin - those sorts of players. There's only a certain amount of midfielders that we can play in those sorts of positions.
"So Shane is a possibility, but whether he comes in or not, we'll have to wait and see."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110377/default.aspx
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tuck seemed to be playing forward last saturday. I wonder if he is learning a new role this year?
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cmon dimma i want to know are we going to gift players games after totally inept performances or are we going to change our culture in regard this and do something about it.
i want to know because if you dont have the guts to change it, i will pack up shop myself and go watch some real footy in the wafl for the yr.
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cmon dimma i want to know are we going to gift players games after totally inept performances or are we going to change our culture in regard this and do something about it.
i want to know because if you dont have the guts to change it, i will pack up shop myself and go watch some real footy in the wafl for the yr.
Dude,who do think should be dropped after one game? yeah a couple of players were down first game in but surly they get the opertunity to make up for it this week? If Rance wasn't suspended the only change I would have made this week would have been King in for Helbig........
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lol you obviously havent read the thread. for me about 6 changes all justified. seems the bar is set very low with some.
the worst performed team of rnd 1 and only one change and that change is a kid sheesh.
everyone sitting here praisiing up ineptitude what a joke.
did you actually see how poor we were for 3 whole quarters. imo 6 changes is being kind. players like deledio martin morton have got off scott free what they dished up was literally unacceptable and they should be let known in the only real way that these primadonnas understand.unfortunately others like edwards nahas white jackson graham mcguane vickery dish up even worse efforts and get praised. we are not challenging in fact we will be battling to avoid the spoon so set the bar right now and say to the lot of em we wont tolerate that rubbish.
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the worst performed team of rnd 1 and only one change and that change is a kid sheesh.
:o :o
What ??? you've lost me here "worst performed" :-\
We lose by 20 points, Bulldogs get smashed by nearly 10 goals and Port end getting trounced (after a really good 3rd qtr BTW) by nearly 10 goals as well and you say we were the worst performed - how exactly?
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lol you obviously havent read the thread. for me about 6 changes all justified. seems the bar is set very low with some.
And when we lose again this week...
Another 6 changes?
and the week after, another 6?
By round 4 we will be playing the Coburg side.
Not your best work claw.
:cheers
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The coach describes our midfield as playing very poorly against Carlton. In or more less words saying they were smashed in the middle. He says that our defence and forward lines performed moderately against Carlton. We were very lucky not to get thrashed by Carlton. Carlton missed some absolute sitters in front of goal. We had one good quarter against Carlton. Jack and Newman were for me the only two players who played well throughout the game. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. We need to be realistic. Whilst Claw's remarks may be viewed by some as harsh there is undoubtedly some merit in his criticisms.
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The coach describes our midfield as playing very poorly against Carlton. In or more less words saying they were smashed in the middle. He says that our defence and forward lines performed moderately against Carlton. We were very lucky not to get thrashed by Carlton. Carlton missed some absolute sitters in front of goal. We had one good quarter against Carlton. Jack and Newman were for me the only two players who played well throughout the game. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. We need to be realistic. Whilst Claw's remarks may be viewed by some as harsh there is undoubtedly some merit in his criticisms.
Maybe the reason our midfielders had such a poor game last week was because we were smashed in the ruck. But what's the solution? Persist with Graham, who had an absolute stinker? Rush in Derickx, who has been out 2-3 weeks with a bruised heel? Or try Andrew Browne,who the consensus seems to be is not advanced enough in his development yet? Personally, I didn't think Vickery offered much last week either, others may disagree. It's not like we're drowning in choices. To make matters worse, Channel 10 news last night said the Saints were seriously considering bringing back Koschitzke. I hope he's underdone and lousy if they do.
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when you call for nahas, one of the best, to be dropped, while leaving delideo in, one of the worst, you are obviously going on reputation rather than performance yourself.
besides that though, yeah, there is some merit.
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lol you obviously havent read the thread. for me about 6 changes all justified. seems the bar is set very low with some.
the worst performed team of rnd 1 and only one change and that change is a kid sheesh.
everyone sitting here praisiing up ineptitude what a joke.
did you actually see how poor we were for 3 whole quarters. imo 6 changes is being kind. players like deledio martin morton have got off scott free what they dished up was literally unacceptable and they should be let known in the only real way that these primadonnas understand.unfortunately others like edwards nahas white jackson graham mcguane vickery dish up even worse efforts and get praised. we are not challenging in fact we will be battling to avoid the spoon so set the bar right now and say to the lot of em we wont tolerate that rubbish.
lol........If we did that every week we would soon run out of players!!
I'm not making up excuses for anyone but I don't think it was as bad as your making out, lets see what happens this week aye.
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Out: Rance (susp.), Edwards (omitted)
In: Thursfield, King
lol you obviously havent read the thread. for me about 6 changes all justified. seems the bar is set very low with some.
And when we lose again this week...
Another 6 changes?
and the week after, another 6?
By round 4 we will be playing the Coburg side.
Not your best work claw.
:cheers
stuff me and blow me over, that's your best work 65 :cheers :thumbsup
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lol you obviously havent read the thread. for me about 6 changes all justified. seems the bar is set very low with some.
the worst performed team of rnd 1 and only one change and that change is a kid sheesh.
everyone sitting here praisiing up ineptitude what a joke.
did you actually see how poor we were for 3 whole quarters. imo 6 changes is being kind. players like deledio martin morton have got off scott free what they dished up was literally unacceptable and they should be let known in the only real way that these primadonnas understand.unfortunately others like edwards nahas white jackson graham mcguane vickery dish up even worse efforts and get praised. we are not challenging in fact we will be battling to avoid the spoon so set the bar right now and say to the lot of em we wont tolerate that rubbish.
Or don't have a knee jerk reaction and instead deal with the loss in an unemotional and productive way. One change forced by suspension, keep teaching, keep learning, keep reinforcing, keep the faith. Oh, bugger me, a great performance displaying loads of the possibilities our future holds. Just as well those in the employ of the club hold the reins hey.