One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 29, 2011, 05:06:48 PM
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With Neil Craig now out of the running, who do you think we will or should chase now to assist Dimma as coach?
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Welcome home Mick? :cheers
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how much coaches do we need? we heading rapidly towards double digits
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All hail pumpkin face - bogan hair
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The big man is back.
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:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
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Nobody - Who said that we needed a Mark Thompson type person to begin with. We went for Craig because of his credentials, we could have used a guy like that. Doesn't mean now that we missed on Craig that we HAVE to go and find someone for that role, we don't. Lets look for some other junior assistance like Ross, thats what we REALLY need.
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I smell intrigue.
All this talk of Eade and the Mudlarks could be rather interesting. Could it be, could I be full of bs? Could the giant coif with a man attached that is known as the Gary Ayre style be the man? Is Hafey due for a come back? Its time to NUT UP or SHUT UP! (just thought I would throw that in, Woody Harrelson cracks me up it actually has no relevance to anything in particular). It's that time of year when we hang off every stupid stuffing rumor desperate for a new coming lol.
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Gerks is right.
Would love Ayres as an assistant.
Has some serious runs on the board
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Nobody - Who said that we needed a Mark Thompson type person to begin with. We went for Craig because of his credentials, we could have used a guy like that. Doesn't mean now that we missed on Craig that we HAVE to go and find someone for that role, we don't. Lets look for some other junior assistance like Ross, thats what we REALLY need.
This sounds very logical to me. Unless Hardwick actually specifically wants someone he wants to work with I wouldnt get anyone now.
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Focus in the development side of things that we need now = 3 x development coaches
Time to move on
;D
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yerp. The bloke we snared from the hawks was a decent catch. Our attacking football is pretty decent, we are making respectable scores but we leak too much for obvious reasons.
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He's the chosen one :lol
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Nobody - Who said that we needed a Mark Thompson type person to begin with. We went for Craig because of his credentials, we could have used a guy like that. Doesn't mean now that we missed on Craig that we HAVE to go and find someone for that role, we don't. Lets look for some other junior assistance like Ross, thats what we REALLY need.
Wise words RR.
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Nobody - Who said that we needed a Mark Thompson type person to begin with. We went for Craig because of his credentials, we could have used a guy like that. Doesn't mean now that we missed on Craig that we HAVE to go and find someone for that role, we don't. Lets look for some other junior assistance like Ross, thats what we REALLY need.
Wise words RR.
Agreed let it go. Unless the right person comes along lets not make up a role and fill it just for the sake of keeping up with the Jones'. Forget it and move on.
I am just interested to see how all these new faces at Melbourne gel with Schwab. :help
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He's the chosen one :lol
:cheers
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works well with kids apparently
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Neil Craig
Dean Bailey
Who is next?
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Neil Craig
Dean Bailey
Who is next?
The OER Cabinet of Stupidity, Great One Liners and Laughs probably ;D
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Ayreseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy :bow :bow
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Watters, Burns ??
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Mick or Lethal
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Try for Malthouse and if not maybe Ayres.
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Malthouse isn't an option
Why don't we just ask Tommy Hafey to make a comeback ::)
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underrated tactical brain
free tacos
astute choice wayne
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Mark Harvey
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Mark Harvey
No thanks - I think he's a little bitter at the moment (rightly so BTW)
He'll go home to Essendon
Jimmy will give him a job ;D
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Only one Option IMO. Cant believe no one mentions this guy seriously. The bloke has delivered at more than one club. Has a great football brain and has success on his side.
Ayres
This romantic idea of Mick is gone for 2012. Only hope for him is to replace Dimma if we head south and to be honest i cant see that happening
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Ayres
But doesn't it concern anyone that this bloke has been out of the AFL system for how many years now? His last AFL gig was as an assistant to Sheeds at Essendon
And yes I undestand he's just coached Port Melb to the VFL flag but VFL com is very different to AFL
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Ayres
But doesn't it concern anyone that this bloke has been out of the AFL system for how many years now? His last AFL gig was as an assistant to Sheeds at Essendon
And yes I undestand he's just coached Port Melb to the VFL flag but VFL com is very different to AFL
I'm on the same page as Willy. So not sure who their is left really? :whistle
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ayres is a frozen camel
do not want
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forget senior assistants - we tried and missed out on them, move on. Go for another quality assistant in the Ross Smith mould like Waters from Collingwood and start getting in the development coaches. We've lost 2, our only 2, which means we need to recruit 4 as our aim was 4 development coaches.
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Ayres
But doesn't it concern anyone that this bloke has been out of the AFL system for how many years now? His last AFL gig was as an assistant to Sheeds at Essendon
And yes I undestand he's just coached Port Melb to the VFL flag but VFL com is very different to AFL
no it doesnt
same thing can be said for guys who played VFL and have stepped into the AFL.
He knows what it takes and has a great relationship with the players he coaches.
Not asking him to be match day coach its all about developing the players
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Know Gary
Would think he would be a great development coach at AFL , as was his role with the Bombers under Sheedy.
Speaks well and is very well respected.
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Ayres = bogan pumpkin.
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Ayres = bogan pumpkin.
VFL Premiership bogan ::)
he mighten want to be involved in an AFL Club anyway
Has a successfull business in Middle Park.
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He knows what it takes and has a great relationship with the players he coaches.
Not saying he doens't have a great relationship with the blokes at Port Melb but the way it ended it Adel; didn't it have a bit to do with the fact he'd "lost" the players to a fair degree?
Know Gary
Well that should be enough to say thanks but NO thanks ;D ;D :rollin :rollin
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Know Gary
Well that should be enough to say thanks but NO thanks ;D ;D :rollin :rollin
:lol x2
Good enough for me.
NNNNNNNNEXT!
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Know Gary
Would think he would be a great development coach at AFL , as was his role with the Bombers under Sheedy.
Speaks well and is very well respected.
wont get a job with richmond
a dinosaur like sheeds
very poor communicator
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pointless even discussing anything with you idiots.
Have you have listened to him communicate to the Port players?
You wouldnt of,
Edited: Keep it out of gutter Jack
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pointless even discussing anything with you idiots.
Edited: Keep it out of gutter Jack
So yet again because someone disagrees with you and makes a few sarcastic funny comments (that's what these ;D :rollin mean btw) you resort to calling people idiots
Well done
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Awesome stuff!! ;D
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Ayres = bogan pumpkin.
VFL Premiership bogan ::)
he mighten want to be involved in an AFL Club anyway
Has a successfull business in Middle Park.
Now we know who you hang with after hours ;)
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I played juniors growing up in Brisbane, lost a flag in U14s and got to SE Qld rep footy as a CHF... I reckon I'm qualified to get an assistant or mentor role down at the Demons
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lol.....Slightly off topic but I just Googled "Bogan Pumpkin" (as you do) and look at the image that popped up :gobdrop :gobdrop :lol :lol :lol
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pointless even discussing anything with you idiots.
Edited: Keep it out of gutter Jack
So yet again because someone disagrees with you and makes a few sarcastic funny comments (that's what these ;D :rollin mean btw) you resort to calling people idiots
Well done
you have double standards on here, you give me a whack , although you continue to let people whack me.
:rollin :rollin :rollin ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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lol.....Slightly off topic but I just Googled "Bogan Pumpkin" (as you do) and look at the image that popped up :gobdrop :gobdrop :lol :lol :lol
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Sweet patooty look at what popped up here! :o
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you have double standards on here, you give me a whack , although you continue to let people whack me.
:rollin :rollin :rollin ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Who whacked you?
Me? Yep you deserved it ;D
Who else ???
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I like Ayres but he's not coming to Richmond. To say the bloke can't/couldn't coach is ridiculous.
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you have double standards on here, you give me a whack , although you continue to let people whack me.
:rollin :rollin :rollin ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Who whacked you?
Me? Yep you deserved it ;D
Who else ???
why dont you whack the posters that put crap on pages that doesnt relate to the topic. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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YEah! Hey by the way, I heard that Collingwood have invented a new Bra, it has plenty of support but its soft and hasn't got a cup...
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you have double standards on here, you give me a whack , although you continue to let people whack me.
:rollin :rollin :rollin ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Who whacked you?
Me? Yep you deserved it ;D
Who else ???
why dont you whack the posters that put crap on pages that doesnt relate to the topic. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Like yourself? I didn't know there were many thread titles saying "post nothing but poo towards the club".
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Bah I just gave yas a gem, That was wasted on you suckas.
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was simon lloyd cut by fremantle. if we are looking for a devevelopment coach hed be a good one. wonder if we could lure brenton sanderson from geelong. or scott burns from wce. wouldnt mind finding a way to get ken hinkley away from gc.
simon mcphee from claremont has a damn good record.
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Bah I just gave yas a gem, That was wasted on you suckas.
I liked it Owl. Enjoying the bun fight between the others too! :lol
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was simon lloyd cut by fremantle. if we are looking for a devevelopment coach hed be a good one. wonder if we could lure brenton sanderson from geelong. or scott burns from wce. wouldnt mind finding a way to get ken hinkley away from gc.
simon mcphee from claremont has a damn good record.
Sanderson is coach of Adelaide....
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I think there is a myriad of good coaches which we get.However my concern is ,that we have tried to get both neil and dean and bombed out on both(apparently) why?
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was simon lloyd cut by fremantle. if we are looking for a devevelopment coach hed be a good one. wonder if we could lure brenton sanderson from geelong. or scott burns from wce. wouldnt mind finding a way to get ken hinkley away from gc.
simon mcphee from claremont has a damn good record.
Sanderson is coach of Adelaide....
sheesh makes one look silly again. how could i overlook that. oh well not the fist gaff ive made and wont be the last.
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From twitter:
3AW693: Gerard's #Whispers says @StKildaFC will interview: Robert Harvey, Alan Richardson, Gary Ayres, Gavin Brown, Ken Hinkley and Scott Watters.
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gee Alan Richardson doesn't mind a good knock back does he
up he goes again lmao
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gee Alan Richardson doesn't mind a good knock back does he
up he goes again lmao
Could say the same thing about Hinkley gerks
Would say at this point in time Ayres isn't an option while he is interviewing for the Saints
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I think there is a myriad of good coaches which we get.However my concern is ,that we have tried to get both neil and dean and bombed out on both(apparently) why?
Because the club didn't hock it's a rse for a 'miracle', they are not and will not be bigger than our club and that is the way it should be. How badly do we need a big name sacked coach as a director of coaching anyway? Its the new black or something lol
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I think there is a myriad of good coaches which we get.However my concern is ,that we have tried to get both neil and dean and bombed out on both(apparently) why?
Because the club didn't hock it's a rse for a 'miracle', they are not and will not be bigger than our club and that is the way it should be. How badly do we need a big name sacked coach as a director of coaching anyway? Its the new black or something lol
or it could be they knocked us back for what they thought was the lesser of two evils.
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Your projecting your insecurity onto the club Claw. Richmond is a great club with great facilities, an excellent young playing group coming through and some excellent people behind them. If potential employees motivation is more money, so be it. The club obviously didn't think they were worth chasing that hard for the role they wanted them for. I think the club is showing some spine by not caving in to pressure tactics and panic buying.
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Richmond is a great club with great facilities, an excellent young playing group coming through and some excellent people behind them. If potential employees motivation is more money, so be it. The club obviously didn't think they were worth chasing that hard for the role they wanted them for. I think the club is showing some spine by not caving in to pressure tactics and panic buying.
agree mate - and the last thing we need to do is waste/throw around money chasing someone...if the right person for the role isn't there, don't just cave and get something/someone viewed as adequate - especially if it's going to cost a heap...
up to the club now to decide if the position we had is "vital" or if it was put together because Craig (or whoever else) was available and they thought it would be beneficial...if it's not, look at other areas that need filling and get the BEST person for the job at hand...
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Wouldn't mind getting Nathan Bassett
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Maybe waiting for the right person to assist Hardwick rather than throwing money away to someone who may simply fill the role is better business sense and better sense for our footy club long term.
Fact we have not filled the role may prove a blessing in disguise.
For one Mick I feel won't stay out of footy beyond 2012 IMHO. Let's hope so.
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fact is we are looking for a senior assistant
craig n bailey have taken on different roles
ego, cash, who knows
nothing to do with the club as the appointment of the highly rated ross smith proves
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Bailey went to Adelaide since they were prepared to spend on their footy department.
Craig went to Melbourne for the same reason.
"I am convinced through my dialogue with Cameron Schwab, Garry Lyon and the board, that the Melbourne Football Club is serious about becoming a high performance football club."
"ego, cash, who knows". Maybe they wanted to work with a club prepared to spend on footy as stated by both.
Nothing to do with the club as we lost out on two former senior coaches but got an assistant from Hawthorn. :banghead
BTW Why are we looking for senior assistants? We don't need to fill the roles that Bailey and Craig now have but do need senior assistants?
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Bailey went to Adelaide since they were prepared to spend on their footy department.
Craig went to Melbourne for the same reason.
Well last time I checked we were/had upped our footy dept spend and will continue to do so. So that argument is a mute point IMHO.
Facts are Bailey was offered a role as a senior assistant , nothing more. Craig was also offfered a role as a senior assistant with the plan to utilise his skills in other areas. The club made offers based on the role on offer & both of these blokes have chosen to go to other clubs offering different roles which likely involve more $$$$.
The fact that the club has refused to get involved in bidding wars and not deviated in what they are after & offering is a positive IMO. Good to see we ar enot panic buying ;D
I wish people would understand that we are not offering a "Director of Coaching" job, the media (bless them) like to sat that we are but we simply are not
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How many positions do clubs need to freakin invent :banghead
Save the money and poach some superstars, that will more than likely get the job done!
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How many positions do clubs need to freakin invent :banghead
Save the money and poach some superstars, that will more than likely get the job done!
Please dont be sensible. We cant have logic and sense come into these matters. Stuff the supporters lets just employ peoples mates.
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Bailey went to Adelaide since they were prepared to spend on their footy department.
Craig went to Melbourne for the same reason.
"I am convinced through my dialogue with Cameron Schwab, Garry Lyon and the board, that the Melbourne Football Club is serious about becoming a high performance football club."
"ego, cash, who knows". Maybe they wanted to work with a club prepared to spend on footy as stated by both.
Nothing to do with the club as we lost out on two former senior coaches but got an assistant from Hawthorn. :banghead
BTW Why are we looking for senior assistants? We don't need to fill the roles that Bailey and Craig now have but do need senior assistants?
LMFAO
Craig went to Melbourne because he didn't want the position under Hardwick, same with Bails - fair enough, too much ego to swallow for a sacked coach to take a step backwards
And Bails was taking a whack at the Dees for not spending money on their football department in his time there, not at Richmond
But i can see how adding extra staff to the football department, resurfacing punt road, sending players to arizona etc. would make you and them think we are not prepared to spend on footy :wallywink
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How many positions do clubs need to freakin invent :banghead
Save the money and poach some superstars, that will more than likely get the job done!
Please dont be sensible. We cant have logic and sense come into these matters. Stuff the supporters lets just employ peoples mates.
THats soccer lol Signing your son up even though he is a washout for example LOL unbelievable.
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But i can see how adding extra staff to the football department, resurfacing punt road, sending players to arizona etc. would make you and them think we are not prepared to spend on footy :wallywink
Extra staff? We are currently four short of minimum AFL requirements. NO development coaches coming into trade/draft period. Presumably they completed their List reviews before leaving.
Resurfacing PRO? $1m+ to bring our training ground up to AFL standard. Hopefully to be done in 2012 according to Gale's letter.
Arizona? No high altitude, may as well go to Victoria University like the Bulldogs have after Arizona in 2008. ATM Carlton, Collingwood, St Kilda and Bulldogs have altitude simulation rooms.
The board have been asleep at the wheel for years and the GM of Footy is totally out of his depth.
"It was clear to us that we needed the head of football to drive change, not the board or the CEO, and we felt the type of skills we needed in bringing best practices in sports science and elite conditioning and all of those different areas across different divisions needed to come from the head person, and we didn't think Greg was suitable for that role. He is a good football person but not the man for that job." Gary March quoted on 2/8/08
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/marching-to-a-different-beat/2008/08/01/1217097534935.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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But i can see how adding extra staff to the football department, resurfacing punt road, sending players to arizona etc. would make you and them think we are not prepared to spend on footy :wallywink
Extra staff? We are currently four short of minimum AFL requirements. NO development coaches coming into trade/draft period. Presumably they completed their List reviews before leaving.
Resurfacing PRO? $1m+ to bring our training ground up to AFL standard. Hopefully to be done in 2012 according to Gale's letter.
Arizona? No high altitude, may as well go to Victoria University like the Bulldogs have after Arizona in 2008. ATM Carlton, Collingwood, St Kilda and Bulldogs have altitude simulation rooms.
Development coaches arent really needed in trade/draft period, they're needed once the players are here. Footy Manager, Recruitment/List Manager's are the people needed during that period. And we are currently interviewing for a few coaching positions with-in the footy department.
We're not doing altitude training you are correct.
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Extra staff? We are currently four short of minimum AFL requirements. NO development coaches coming into trade/draft period. Presumably they completed their List reviews before leaving.
The development staff will be put on. The club has stated we will have 4 this year. 2 more than last year. And if they don't then i'll start frothing with you. Not sure what they have to do with the draft or trade period. They have no input.
Ross Smith has been added to the coaching staff and obvioulsy another assistant is being sought out. 2 more than last year.
That's the club spending money - or prepared to spend - on the footy dept - adding 4 new staff. Yeah? No?
(Can you link me to the AFL minimum requirements for the footy dept., cheers)
Resurfacing PRO? $1m+ to bring our training ground up to AFL standard. Hopefully to be done in 2012 according to Gale's letter. Arizona? No high altitude, may as well go to Victoria University like the Bulldogs have after Arizona in 2008. ATM Carlton, Collingwood, St Kilda and Bulldogs have altitude simulation rooms.
So you are just not happy with how the money is being spent? There must be some benefit of travelling to Phoenix to work with Athlete's Performance despite not being high wank altitude wank wank? Sure sounds like they are prepared to spend money, however misdirected it may be perceived by some, like peeing money up against a wall buildng altitude chambers.
The board have been asleep at the wheel for years and the GM of Footy is totally out of his depth.
Agree. Don't have to search to far to find a post of mine stating my opinions of Cameron & March.
Not sure what any of that has to do with Bailey and Craig turning down senior assistant roles for higher paid and more overarching roles at other clubs.
Nice rant though :thumbsup
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The development staff will be put on. The club has stated we will have 4 this year. 2 more than last year. And if they don't then i'll start frothing with you. Not sure what they have to do with the draft or trade period. They have no input.
Ross Smith has been added to the coaching staff and obvioulsy another assistant is being sought out. 2 more than last year.
That's the club spending money - or prepared to spend - on the footy dept - adding 4 new staff. Yeah? No?
So you are just not happy with how the money is being spent? There must be some benefit of travelling to Phoenix to work with Athlete's Performance despite not being high wank altitude wank wank? Sure sounds like they are prepared to spend money, however misdirected it may be perceived by some, like peeing money up against a wall buildng altitude chambers.
Not sure what any of that has to do with Bailey and Craig turning down senior assistant roles for higher paid and more overarching roles at other clubs.
My point about Development coaches is they have the most contact with young players on the fringe. Surely their input is most important when deciding who to delist/trade?
As said I presume their input to List reviews was completed before their dismissal was announced on September 15.
The thing that worries me is we removed coaches without replacements being lined up. Note that Hawthorn took five days to replace Smith with Beveridge.
“Luke’s been on our radar since last year and we’re pleased he’s chosen to take up this opportunity with the Hawks despite having received other offers,” Clarkson said.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4742/newsid/124561/default.aspx
AFL have ruled that minimum Footy staff is 28. 2011 we had 25, out Newett + Clarke, in Smith. Campbell out of contract.
Page 9 below. Note that the AFL money is dependant on reaching these minimums.
http://mm.afl.com.au/portals/0/2011/finals/club_funding_presentation_260911.pdf
I am not happy that Cameron (and the Board) have not brought "best practices in sports science and elite conditioning" judging on their record since 2008.
Note that we have only added a weights coach to our fitness staff since 2008.
Only since Gale and Hardwick have these "best practices" even been recognised publicly at Richmond.
I don't care about Bailey at all in terms of what we need but thought Craig could be an agent of change at Punt Road in the sports science "arms race" in AFL.
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He is hardly the only bloke with a sports science background, in fact, someone with more recent qualifications might be a bit more up to date since his time back when Joe weider was lifting cannon balls for a workout.
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From a development stand what about someone like Brett Kirk
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Or a recently retired Cameron Ling?
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Or a recently retired Cameron Ling?
Heard him on 3AW tonight - not likely. Said he was a Geelong person and hinted towards a media gig
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heard channel seven have already gobbled Ling up
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From a development stand what about someone like Brett Kirk
^ massive wraps on him and would be stoked to get someone of his quality/character - not sure of his intentions or desires to get involved going forward...any thoughts or has he mentioned anything about a want to get into "coaching"? seems it'd be hard to get him away from the "blood's culture"...
have also hear folks speak glowingly of Nathan Basset - he might be looking to move into an assistant role to further develop himself since he was mentioned in early talk for the crows job
and there was a strong push to get Knighta back onboard in a development role (would also fill the void of an assistant with previous coaching experience)...
...agree too that perhaps as far as sports science goes we could look at plenty of "outsiders" who may not have recently been coaching but have the smarts in this area...afterall it should be the best person for the job, with the best skillset to assist not the biggest name available...
...my $2bob...
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heard channel seven have already gobbled Ling up
As the new face of Raspberry Paddlepops?
Speaking of which, rumor is fact that Relton Roberts has signed as the mouthpiece for Campbells Cash n Carry, for an unlimited supply of kFC.
If it's Soooooo Relton, it must be Sooooooo good
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heard channel seven have already gobbled Ling up
As the new face of Raspberry Paddlepops?
Speaking of which, rumor is fact that Relton Roberts has signed as the mouthpiece for Campbells Cash n Carry, for an unlimited supply of kFC.
If it's Soooooo Relton, it must be Sooooooo good
:bow :bow :bow Were not worthy ;D ;D I gunna call you Hughesy from now on.... :P :P :lol :lol
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:clapping"don't you white folks listen?"
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=1&ved=0CEIQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DeZjRF1lQroA&rct=j&q=deliliah%20campbells%20cash%20n%20carry&ctbm=vid&ei=bS-MTuXAH8jbmAXv2tyPBA&usg=AFQjCNG68z8MOt8KHgJDDtEKgMCCaU6Mlw
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My point about Development coaches is they have the most contact with young players on the fringe. Surely their input is most important when deciding who to delist/trade?
As said I presume their input to List reviews was completed before their dismissal was announced on September 15.
The thing that worries me is we removed coaches without replacements being lined up. Note that Hawthorn took five days to replace Smith with Beveridge.
“Luke’s been on our radar since last year and we’re pleased he’s chosen to take up this opportunity with the Hawks despite having received other offers,” Clarkson said.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4742/newsid/124561/default.aspx
AFL have ruled that minimum Footy staff is 28. 2011 we had 25, out Newett + Clarke, in Smith. Campbell out of contract.
Page 9 below. Note that the AFL money is dependant on reaching these minimums.
http://mm.afl.com.au/portals/0/2011/finals/club_funding_presentation_260911.pdf
I am not happy that Cameron (and the Board) have not brought "best practices in sports science and elite conditioning" judging on their record since 2008.
Note that we have only added a weights coach to our fitness staff since 2008.
Only since Gale and Hardwick have these "best practices" even been recognised publicly at Richmond.
I don't care about Bailey at all in terms of what we need but thought Craig could be an agent of change at Punt Road in the sports science "arms race" in AFL.
That's pretty reasonable Redan and cheers for the link. I too don't think they have done enough, March and Cameron are peanuts, but how do you determine what they want/wanted to do and what they can/could afford to do?
They brought in the weights coach and Blair Hartley, Matt Hornsby has been responsible for getting Athlete's Performance on board. Slowly moving in the right direction but it's no secret we can't compete with others. No surprises Craig took the cash.
I'll be effing peed if they don't have anyone in line for the development roles - Tim Clarke wasn't let go, he moved o/s, but there should be a replacement for Newitt lined up, plus the two new guys they said were coming on board.
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...agree too that perhaps as far as sports science goes we could look at plenty of "outsiders" who may not have recently been coaching but have the smarts in this area...afterall it should be the best person for the job, with the best skillset to assist not the biggest name available...
Agreed that we could look at "outsiders" and note that Misson and Bath (Hawthorn) are both from AIS.
The point is that there is NO indication Richmond are looking for staff in sports science, to the contrary in Craig's case.
Gerks, Hartley was bought in by Hardwick as a member of his coaching panel. As "Opposition and List Analyst" he was reporting to Dimma. It's only been his results that have dragged him into areas of free agency and trading. I also have a feeling that Gale has given him more and more responsibility eg writing the Free Agency policy. I would personally like him to be made List Manager and get someone like David Lloyd as an extra recruiter doing mature age scouting.
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I have a feeling once St Kilda are done naming there coach the club will go after the ones who missed out, the one I really want is Scott Watters, a lot of people attribute Collingscums defensive press to Watters saying he was pretty much the master mind behind the whole thing.
Maybe bring back Knighta and bring in a successful coach/es from the VFL for the development roles.
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Gerks, Hartley was bought in by Hardwick as a member of his coaching panel. As "Opposition and List Analyst" he was reporting to Dimma. It's only been his results that have dragged him into areas of free agency and trading. I also have a feeling that Gale has given him more and more responsibility eg writing the Free Agency policy. I would personally like him to be made List Manager and get someone like David Lloyd as an extra recruiter doing mature age scouting.
Was he??? I thought he was reporting to Cameron. I think he's a bloody good operator, Hartley.
I just hope Gale can see that Cameron is a plank and will replace him at the end of his contract.
Didn't they also put on some more recruiters? Or make some full time?
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Hartley very good operator. Got the Sarge to Port ;D
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Gerks, Hartley was bought in by Hardwick as a member of his coaching panel. As "Opposition and List Analyst" he was reporting to Dimma. It's only been his results that have dragged him into areas of free agency and trading. I also have a feeling that Gale has given him more and more responsibility eg writing the Free Agency policy. I would personally like him to be made List Manager and get someone like David Lloyd as an extra recruiter doing mature age scouting.
Was he??? I thought he was reporting to Cameron. I think he's a bloody good operator, Hartley.
I just hope Gale can see that Cameron is a plank and will replace him at the end of his contract.
Didn't they also put on some more recruiters? Or make some full time?
Yep. We went from 0 to 1 for 3 drafts and then 1 to 3 for the last 2.
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Hartley very good operator. Got the Sarge to Port ;D
Give him a pay rise
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Hartley very good operator. Got the Sarge to Port ;D
Give him a pay rise
eff you. he'll be back one day. you'll see
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Hartley very good operator. Got the Sarge to Port ;D
Give him a pay rise
eff you. he'll be back one day. you'll see
It defiantly wont be in a Legends match ;D ;D ;D
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one of the best tall forwards in the comp champ. just wait.
you're all duds. back on topic!
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andrew krakouer kicked more goals
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than who? shulter? he was injured for half the year and played in one of the worst teams I have ever seen. They wouldn't be our duds of the decade ;D
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Hartley very good operator. Got the Sarge to Port ;D
And gave up Farmer (on 3 year contract) and pick 71 (Nason) while we subsidised Schulz's wage for his first year. ;D
BTW Gerks forgot to go into Athletes Performance deal. I don't get too carried away with the spin. We bought a package from a business that hired ME Bank centre for a conference.
Same deal as the Bulldogs in 2008. "Alliance" - conference - Arizona trip.
Since the players are paying airfares it won't be too expensive for the club. At the least it will be a good bonding experience similar to the New Zealand trip last year.
Might be an idea if staff members (Gale, coaches, fitness) get Ben Graham to set up a couple of days at Arizona Cardinals Training Base.
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Hartley very good operator. Got the Sarge to Port ;D
Since the players are paying airfares it
Not the case.
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I don't get too carried away with the spin either, but gotta be a step up from Leo Berry's Gym.
Reminds me, need to make a cheque out to the FTF for $300 as promised.
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I don't get too carried away with the spin either, but gotta be a step up from Leo Berry's Gym.
Reminds me, need to make a cheque out to the FTF for $300 as promised.
:)
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Since the players are paying airfares
Not the case.
Apologies RFCO, simply read it as a statement on another site. "I beleive the players are paying for the majority of their expenses".
Well to me that's astounding.
Flights to Phoenix. 50 x $1800 (Flight Centre) = $90,000
Accom in Phoenix. 30 x 8 days x $200 per room (re Athletes performance website) = $48,000
Cost of $138,000 excluding Athletes Performance costs or incidentals like food, drink and ground transport.
Astounding expense for a week of training when the cost of a coach is $150,000 for a year.
~$150k is actually the average wage for a coach in the AFL
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got a sneaky feeling your estimates may be a bit high there RT.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/121722/default.aspx
They wont be paying full price, if at all.
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Since the players are paying airfares
Not the case.
Apologies RFCO, simply read it as a statement on another site. "I beleive the players are paying for the majority of their expenses".
Well to me that's astounding.
Flights to Phoenix. 50 x $1800 (Flight Centre) = $90,000
Accom in Phoenix. 30 x 8 days x $200 per room (re Athletes performance website) = $48,000
Cost of $138,000 excluding Athletes Performance costs or incidentals like food, drink and ground transport.
Astounding expense for a week of training when the cost of a coach is $150,000 for a year.
~$150k is actually the average wage for a coach in the AFL
Our corporate partners/fans are allowing us to travel to Phoenix, just like NZ last year. The guys that pour in lots of dollars to this footy club that often go unnoticed by the masses, we'd be nowhere without them! And as said, I'm not sure the whole lot will cost $138k
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I hope people realise that things cost money.
Wouldn't the world be a wonderful place if we could all do whatever we like without paying for it.
Unfortunately if you are not willing to spend any money then you limit yourself to free stuff and sitting on your bum doing nothing. I don't believe that this approach is best to achieve success.
Of course I am happy to be proven wrong and will gladly start sitting on my bum more and wait for success to roll in. :thumbsup
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Back on topic...Mark Williams
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124723/default.aspx
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Back on topic...Mark Williams
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124723/default.aspx
Oh God, I can't wait for the Cameron bashers to get hold of this one. :lol
But seriously, does anyone know of his reputation, ability etc?
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inb4anotherdeesreject :banghead ;D
Thought it was Choco :(
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OH YOU MOTHERFUCKER!
Eff me, sack hardwick and bring in Neil Daniher
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:lol
INCOMING!!!!
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At least we've got RFCunderscoreOfficial posting like a regular :lol
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:lol
INCOMING!!!!
:lol
Sick of demon spuds. but i heard we are pushing hard for Nathan Carrol as back up for McGuane
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Hang on, was RFC Official a Melbourne Official before he was our Official official?
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Hang on, was RFC Official a Melbourne Official before he was our Official official?
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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Good news. :thumbsup Welcome aboard Mark Williams.
Lol @ RFCO posting like a normal poster.
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:lol @ a "normal" poster ;D
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/tabid/7415/default.aspx?newsid=108070
I'd love to know what he thinks went wrong.
The comments about footscray are interesting.
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I reckon it's brilliant. OER is the place to be. We have a bit of everything :lol
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http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/124539/default.aspx
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124723/default.aspx
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Hang on, was RFC Official a Melbourne Official before he was our Official official?
:shh
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I have a feeling once St Kilda are done naming there coach the club will go after the ones who missed out, the one I really want is Scott Watters, a lot of people attribute Collingscums defensive press to Watters saying he was pretty much the master mind behind the whole thing.
Maybe bring back Knighta and bring in a successful coach/es from the VFL for the development roles.
Don't mean to toot my own horn or anything. 8)
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Hang on, was RFC Official a Melbourne Official before he was our Official official?
:shh
:o
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Back on topic...Mark Williams
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124723/default.aspx
Oh God, I can't wait for the Cameron bashers to get hold of this one. :lol
But seriously, does anyone know of his reputation, ability etc?
Outstanding coach at VFL level smokey, coached Sandringham to a couple of flags when they were aligned with Melbourne.
At VFL level has a better premiership record than Gary Ayres ;D
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Back on topic...Mark Williams
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124723/default.aspx
Oh God, I can't wait for the Cameron bashers to get hold of this one. :lol
But seriously, does anyone know of his reputation, ability etc?
Outstanding coach at VFL lever smokey, coached Sandringham to a couple of flags when they were aligned with Melbourne.
At VFL level has a better premiership record than Gary Ayres ;D
From memory twas a three-peat, winning premierships in 2004-2005-2006 and coming top4(2?) in his 4th year.
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Back on topic...Mark Williams
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124723/default.aspx
Oh God, I can't wait for the Cameron bashers to get hold of this one. :lol
But seriously, does anyone know of his reputation, ability etc?
Outstanding coach at VFL lever smokey, coached Sandringham to a couple of flags when they were aligned with Melbourne.
At VFL level has a better premiership record than Gary Ayres ;D
From memory twas a three-peat, winning premierships in 2004-2005-2006 and coming top4(2?) in his 4th year.
Thanks guys. It's possibly a concern that he has been at Melbourne for a while with nothing tangible to show as far as success goes but that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't/can't be a good assistant. After all, Ross Lyon was an assistant to Robert Walls at Richmond. :o
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Hang on, was RFC Official a Melbourne Official before he was our Official official?
:shh
:o
Joking of course!
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What's the position? Bog standard assistant?
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Thanks for your input and corrections RFCO.
Life goes on.
New coaches, draft camp combine, trade week, drafts, training camps.
All good fun and internet fodder. ;D
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Back on topic...Mark Williams
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124723/default.aspx
Oh God, I can't wait for the Cameron bashers to get hold of this one. :lol
But seriously, does anyone know of his reputation, ability etc?
Outstanding coach at VFL lever smokey, coached Sandringham to a couple of flags when they were aligned with Melbourne.
At VFL level has a better premiership record than Gary Ayres ;D
From memory twas a three-peat, winning premierships in 2004-2005-2006 and coming top4(2?) in his 4th year.
Thanks guys. It's possibly a concern that he has been at Melbourne for a while with nothing tangible to show as far as success goes but that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't/can't be a good assistant. After all, Ross Lyon was an assistant to Robert Walls at Richmond. :o
We can hose him down when he arrives. Bit of lavender oil, he will be schmick.
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Bit of lavender oil, he will be schmick.
Or we could lather him up in coconut butter and give him a real welcome to Tigerland, Raaaaaawwwwwwl :-* :-*
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reminds me of the collingwood spitroast email someone sent me starring Harry O'Brien, Leon Davies and I think Maxwell was the pig on the spit LOL anyone else get that one? Side by side we stick together?
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reminds me of the collingwood spitroast email someone sent me starring Harry O'Brien, Leon Davies and I think Maxwell was the pig on the spit LOL anyone else get that one? Side by side we stick together?
Sorry Owl, my filth filter must have picked that on up first :lol
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reminds me of the collingwood spitroast email someone sent me starring Harry O'Brien, Leon Davies and I think Maxwell was the pig on the spit LOL anyone else get that one? Side by side we stick together?
^ that's crook mate... :chuck
on topic - big wraps on him from people in the know at VFL level...hopefully translates to assistant at afl & he brings some experience/knowledge with him...also meant to have a real hunger and work ethic and is supposed to have excellent man management/development skills...a positive addition I says...
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Mark Williams from Melbourne headed our way.Midfield coach .is there anyone else at Melbourne ?
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Mark Williams from Melbourne headed our way.Midfield coach .is there anyone else at Melbourne ?
Too late jack
See paages 8 & 9 of this thread ;D
Mr RFC_O told us yesterday ;D
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cant be bothered searching back through Iphone. takes too long
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Do you think they would have had a chat to Brad Miller as part of the decision making process? I'm sure he would have been able to provide some insight into how the guy operates.
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Mark Williams from Melbourne headed our way.Midfield coach .is there anyone else at Melbourne ?
How about Bate? You limpgot :lol
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Bate didn't go pick 6 in the draft for nothing you clown .he can play
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Bate didn't go pick 6 in the draft for nothing you clown .he can play
lol.......Same reason JON went at 6 :lol :lol :lol :lol come4 to think of it Bate has had bout as many games in the reserves, Clearly can play :lol :lol :lol
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You blokes are all geniuses.you probably don't know what a football look like.wasting my time discussing with Nuffers.will join Monk in retirement from this site
lol were all nuffers :lol :lol :lol :lol How about the fact that were not the ones breaking the story 24 hours after every other news outlet had released it :lol :lol :lol :lol
I can see you and Monk retiring together :-* :-* You would want to hope the retirement village has a decent Septic system for all the crap you two purge out :o :o :lol :lol
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You blokes are all geniuses.you probably don't know what a football look like.wasting my time discussing with Nuffers.will join Monk in retirement from this site
what is the highest level of football you played at champ?
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Bate didn't go pick 6 in the draft for nothing you clown .he can play
bate didnt go pick 6
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:ROTFL
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he did but that doesn't change the fact that JJ is a nuffer who has never done anything decent with an AFL club and also has NFI how to identify football talent.
hang on, bate went 13 :lol LMAO get a clue jstar
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You blokes are all geniuses.you probably don't know what a football look like.wasting my time discussing with Nuffers.will join Monk in retirement from this site
like you can ;)
cant wait for your new new new new new name Jackstar is back again again again again
catchy ;)
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Just shorten it to 'Jibaaaa'
Jibaaaa Jabber lmao
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ROFL. Dunno why you lather yourself up into such a frenzy Jack, relax, take a step back, revise, concede a point or two instead of defending defeats all the time. I say stupid poo all the time but I don't sit there defending it as if it was the stuffing wisdom of Solomon. :cheers
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Bate didn't go pick 6 in the draft for nothing you clown .he can play
Bate can play. Would rather Bate than Morton.
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Bate didn't go pick 6 in the draft for nothing you clown .he can play
Bate can play. Would rather Bate than Morton.
Bate I would rate a C grade player and we need a lead up half forward. Morton I rated a D so Bate would be an upgrade on Morton imho.
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Bate didn't go pick 6 in the draft for nothing you clown .he can play
Bate can play. Would rather Bate than Morton.
I would swap Bate for Morton in a heart beat.......
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Bate didn't go pick 6 in the draft for nothing you clown .he can play
Bate can play. Would rather Bate than Morton.
Bate I would rate a C grade player and we need a lead up half forward. Morton I rated a D so Bate would be an upgrade on Morton imho.
Pretty spot on, its all about those little steps as it is about the big ones. Wonder if Dees would take Morton to unite the brothers?
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Had a good read of this thread and enjoyed some top shelf banter.
Glad we didn't waste coin on Craig or Bailey because coaches are the most overrated people in footy.
The 2 areas of importance off field are recruting and fitness.
Geelong winning the premiership this year has nothing to do with Chris Scott and everything to do with Stephen Wells, and the year before their first flag when the had a poor year and Thompson was nearly arsed they sacked their fitness bloke and got a new one in.
I'm not convinced the Little Bighorn and Dan Jackson's old man are the right units and I would be looking to pump money into that area and head hunt some proven guns.
Melbourne have done well getting Mission from St Kilda, we should have been on that train.
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After missing out on Craig and Bailey, has this idea of finding an assist for Hardwick been scrapped?
Not saying we need an assistant but Mark Harvey is someone Dimma would know personally from his time at Essendon. Harvey missed out on a getting a gig at the Eagles under Worsfold.
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/10/24/harvey-won-t-be-joining-eagles-worsfold/
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Don't need Harvey apparently he didn't rock up on training days or for club meetings when he thought he was plying teams with the game already in the bag....then they would get beat.