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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Stripes on July 12, 2008, 12:41:33 PM
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Fluffy mentioned on another thread that he would like to run an poll to see how we value Joel Bowden as a forum.
How would you rate Joel Bowden in terms of this year and into the future?
Stripes
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Actualy it was me that mentioned it but that doesnt matter. It was a simple yes/no one I was thinking of at the time but this is good too. Thanks for putting this up and dont forget to vote yourself Stripes.
I think he has plenty still to offer hence my vote for #2.
It will be interesting to see the feeling of the site.
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i think joel still has value as a footballer for our club. There are other senior players who need to go before he does.
Not that it matters to anyone but Joel is one of the nicest guys off the field that you will ever meet.
im a big fan and it wasn't too long ago before people were calling for richo's head. Where are those people now?HuhHuhHuh??
Richo and bowden are richmond people through and through and for that i respect them so much
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Stripes, why does your much posted opinion need to be one of the poll options? ???
Whether that option gets votes or doesn't get votes won't change that it's still just your opinion.
As for rating Joel Bowden into the future, you can't do that because it hasn't happened? You can only rate him on the past and the present.
I'm with Fluffy Tiger about the poll options - Yes, No & Not Sure. (Present tense only.)
If you're going to put up a poll about Joel Bowden's value then keep it at that and don't make it also into a poll about your opinion.
I voted for the second option because it's the only one that I agree with everything in it but it's only indicative of a small part of my opinion about Joel Bowden.
Fair enough poll. :) Tainted options to vote for. :-\
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i think joel still has value as a footballer for our club. There are other senior players who need to go before he does.
Not that it matters to anyone but Joel is one of the nicest guys off the field that you will ever meet.
im a big fan and it wasn't too long ago before people were calling for richo's head. Where are those people now?HuhHuhHuh??
Richo and bowden are richmond people through and through and for that i respect them so much
Im happy for u.
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The less said about Bowden the better but that is my opinion.
It is time for him to step aside. The sooner the better.
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Has a wealth of experience in first grade and from that point of view he is very valuable but IMO it would be better if he was to share his knowledge from the sidelines or from Coburg.
My reasons are that i think he is showing more bad habits to juniors than good.
He is now too slow and will ALWAYS look for the easy option whereas the younger players are prepared to take the game on from the back half which is what Terry's gameplan is based on, Run n Carry NOT chip sideways and backwards.
Do we really want our juniors to learn these negative habits as OK?
Watch him today and see him get his easy disposals in the backline and he will more than likely take the easiest option sideways or backwards because he knows he does not have the pace to take the opposition on.
Also his already average closing ability has now been nullified by father time and he will ALWAYS get beaten by a leading player.
His only option (and it has been for a few years now) is to play loose and basically crumb/seagull/wander in the back half and pick up easy possessions like he did against PORT a few rounds back.
Very overated by the general public and lauded for luaded sakes after the match but in reality ... "Joel Bowden took 23 marks and had 39 disposals from half-back against Port Adelaide earlier this year, but did not get a single vote from either of the coaches", proving he just isnt a damaging player and doesnt hurt the opposition with all the possessions he gathers. Thats the reality of it.
Anyway he's a fantastic bloke and a genuine person, i respect his service to our club and his achievements in football but I cant stand watching his soft, easy possession style of play anymore, drives me absolutely crazy!
So on that note i cant wait for him to call it day and makes ways for a Connors/Collins/Casserly/Rance/Meyer take your pick. These kids are our future and we need to start giving them time at the coalface.
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Stripes, why does your much posted opinion need to be one of the poll options? ???
Whether that option gets votes or doesn't get votes won't change that it's still just your opinion.
As for rating Joel Bowden into the future, you can't do that because it hasn't happened? You can only rate him on the past and the present.
I'm with Fluffy Tiger about the poll options - Yes, No & Not Sure. (Present tense only.)
If you're going to put up a poll about Joel Bowden's value then keep it at that and don't make it also into a poll about your opinion.
I voted for the second option because it's the only one that I agree with everything in it but it's only indicative of a small part of my opinion about Joel Bowden.
Fair enough poll. :) Tainted options to vote for. :-\
I thought the categories were quite mixed and unbiased?! There is extreme options and progressive categories in between. I tried to make the poll as neutral as possible and left my personal opinion out of it. Obviously I didn't do a good enough job of that for your liking Fishy.
I could have created a poll which was just 'yes' and 'no' but I was hoping to get more out of the information that that type of poll would give me.
If you would prefer that it wouldn't take much to adapt the poll to that cut and dry format. My take would be that, currently, there is 7 yes vots and everyone else is a no.
What do you think? Good to hear you read my posts regardless Fishy even if you don't always agree with them ;D
Stripes
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I tried to make the poll as neutral as possible and left my personal opinion out of it.
Haha! The last option is a summary of your opinion from your last few posts on Bowden.
Option 3 doesn't count as yes or no.
Option 1 is ridiculous and insulting to everyone's intelligence.
Polls should be black and white. This one is grey and manipulated.
None of those options are my actual opinion.
If you want actual opinions, like you've managed to slip yours in, you'll need pages of options. There are discussion forums for that.
I hope you feel good about yourself if the poll goes the way you want. The results won't make anyone's opinion any more of a fact, though. It might be of interest as an indication about what site members think about Bowden's value but even that will be tainted because the questions are loaded.
And, no biggie that I read your posts, Stripes. I read everyone's posts. :)
I actually can't think of any of your posts I've disagreed with other than the recent Bowden-bashing ones. Personal views are subjective and everyone sees things differently. I'm not sure why Joel gets under your skin like he does but I'm mighty amused by it.
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The fact that you're 'mighty amused' by my opinion of Bowden is mighty amusing ;D
I won't feel 'good' regardless of which way the poll goes nor will it change mine or anyone elses opinion on the player but believe me when I tell you my intention when I created the poll was not to manipulate or taint the options presented. I admit the last category does mimic my own thoughts on the man and possibly elements of the second last options also but their is another three options there and they are not negative in nature.
The first option is an extreme just like the last option is also. The fact that you consider it 'rediculous and insulting to everyone's intelligence' speaks volumes about your and the other the most avid Bowden supporter's belief's. Joel could not fit into this category by anyone's ommission but their are many others in the team that certianly could. Bowden is in the team as much for his supposed 'leadership' and experience as his playing ability but, as this poll shows and is clear to everyone, he is not any sort of leader we need at our club and is a bad example to our younger players.
So Fishy....you read everyone's posts not just mine. I thought for one fleeting moment that I was special :'( :nopity ;) ;D
Stripes
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a player who
1- does 10 negatives
2- does 10 positives
3- ALWAYS CALLS FOR TEMPO FOOTY :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
4- the majority of possessions are uncontested CRAP.
F H O !
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a player who
1- does 10 negatives
2- does 10 positives
3- ALWAYS CALLS FOR TEMPO FOOTY :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
4- the majority of possessions are uncontested CRAP.
F H O !
You should hear what he says about your music ox............... :rollin
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a player who
1- does 10 negatives
2- does 10 positives
3- ALWAYS CALLS FOR TEMPO FOOTY :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
4- the majority of possessions are uncontested CRAP.
F H O !
You should hear what he says about your music ox............... :rollin
LMAO
u should hear what i say about it.
I'll get back to you when i write a hit. :wallywink
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a player who
1- does 10 negatives
2- does 10 positives
3- ALWAYS CALLS FOR TEMPO FOOTY :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
4- the majority of possessions are uncontested CRAP.
F H O !
You should hear what he says about your music ox............... :rollin
LMAO
u should hear what i say about it.
I'll get back to you when i write a hit. :wallywink
I thought you had a hit, more Spin than Terry is our ox, lol
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LMAO
u should hear what i say about it.
I'll get back to you when i write a hit. :wallywink
Hit 'em with your best shot Ox....
That was a hit IIRC
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seriously though,
of the points i made,most are correct.
See him today,3rd qtr in the sqr
one time, holds up ball for tempo and then retreats thru goals while we are 10 goals up and options out our ars.
Another time he just chose to waste time just because he does
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seriously though,
of the points i made,most are correct.
See him today,3rd qtr in the sqr
one time, holds up ball for tempo and then retreats thru goals while we are 10 goals up and options out our ars.
Another time he just chose to waste time just because he does
I actually agree there brackets, Tempo footy :banghead
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no wonder this site has been running slow lately with meaningless topics like this one
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I actually thought he was of most benefit to the side today when he was away from the defensive end of the ground.
In the 2nd when he was wing/HF for a while worked a treat, his passing to a target in the F50 was good.
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he did do a couple of good things today and i am aware that he plays "the roll" well.
What u must understand is my inability to accept that he "does" play it is built on
having,over the years,watched him progress to it thru laziness.
I was a fan before i started posting and as such,knew he had the ability to be
an absolute champion.
IMO,he was lazy and in being so let himself down firstly and the club second.
Until someone can offer me a valid explanation of why this occurred,I shall continue to be bitter and p i s s ed.
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.......as this poll shows and is clear to everyone, he is not any sort of leader we need at our club and is a bad example to our younger players.
That pretty much confirms my suspicion of your motive for the poll.
In any case, it shows nothing of the sort.
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.......as this poll shows and is clear to everyone, he is not any sort of leader we need at our club and is a bad example to our younger players.
That pretty much confirms my suspicion of your motive for the poll.
In any case, it shows nothing of the sort.
I call it as I see it Fishy.
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Fair enough. ???
Don't bother applying for a job as a scrutineer.
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Fair enough. ???
Don't bother applying for a job as a scrutineer.
Is that like a pirateer or a musketeer?
Bowden looked better on the wing yesterday. All he needs is some pace, defensive pressure and stop kicking it backwards/sideways and I'll change my mind.
Stripes
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Bowden looked better on the wing yesterday. All he needs is some pace, defensive pressure and stop kicking it backwards/sideways and I'll change my mind.
Stripes
Thats modern day football, every club does it.
Just that we do it when we dont need too, get rid of Captain pee pee and the style will change
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Who would've thought - Joel a matchwinning forward ;). His value has just gone up 100% in the past 2 weeks lol.
TM must be building a Bowden monument in his frontyard as we speak :lol.
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;D :gotigers
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Who would've thought - Joel a matchwinning forward ;). His value has just gone up 100% in the past 2 weeks lol.
TM must be building a Bowden monument in his frontyard as we speak :lol.
just shows the football mentality of some of the posters on this site :wallywink:banghead :banghead :banghead
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i live on in denial
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i live on in denial
;D :gotigers
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He's a good clear thinker in the game when it get tough. And if that makes him waste time then so be it. Go Joel and all the power to you. :gotigers
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Got to hand it to the the old warhorse - in last nights game he was a big part of dragging us across the line. :clapping
Early in the game he made a few errors that resulted in goals such as the free kick he gave to T. Johnson and tried to ice the clock with six minutes still remaining but it was his straight kicking in the forwardline that gave us the win.
Credit where credit is due - he was an asset to the team against Brissy. :bow
Stripes
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Got to hand it to the the old warhorse - in last nights game he was a big part of dragging us across the line. :clapping
Early in the game he made a few errors that resulted in goals such as the free kick he gave to T. Johnson and tried to ice the clock with six minutes still remaining but it was his straight kicking in the forwardline that gave us the win.
Credit where credit is due - he was an asset to the team against Brissy. :bow
Stripes
Thats the way Stripe ;D it was a team effort last night, Bowden only kicked the winning goal but the team won the game.
Every player on the ground last night made a mistake, some more costly than others & Joel was one of them costly mistakes because of his hard at it approach to last nights game. He was more aggressive & tackled hard & fought for the ball. he had nothing to go to when he held the ball up as Brisbane was pushing thier whole team back flooding.
we lost control of the ball for bad decision making, something the team really needs to work hard on. Bowden was on the other side wing, it made them work really hard & the end result was great for all of us. Richoman deserves more credit also cause he was great, as was White, Captain Pee Pee although l think he played ok needs to talk more as a player & let them know his not happy with thier mistakes & to advise them in the heat of battle, his hot handpass when he could have kicked a 25 metre goal shocked me handballing to a player in the square with a opponant. if we stop making bad mistakes then teams will struggle against us.
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Some mistakes were so glaringly obvious it was almost comical, Kane Johnson comes to mind (a couple of times). But we werent the only ones, Brissy had their culprits/comedians...Luke Power passing the ball to Joel from a kick in and Jamie Charmans kick after he took that screamer, but we'll give him a bit of leeway cos he may have had altitude sickness lol.......
On a side note.....Richmond as a team have, over the years, lent many a back to the opposition and allowed them to be contenders in mark of the year
:gotigers
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best laugh l had this last week is a poster said Bowden would never kick a bag of goals cause his not capable ;D
Joel booted 4 & got one of the best again :lol :rollin looks like that poster was wrong again :lol ;D