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Crows to miss out on prize draft pick
By Michael Gleeson
The Age
July 23, 2005
Adelaide has been delivered a stunning blow and the rest of the AFL's clubs a massive boon with the revelation that the likely No. 1 draft pick the Crows thought they could take under the father-son rule in the 2006 national draft does not qualify.
Precocious talent Bryce Gibbs, who has been compared to Essendon star James Hird, is now back in the open draft for 2006 after it was revealed that his father, Ross, had not played enough games for Glenelg in the qualifying period for him to be taken as a priority by the Crows.
In a move similar to Brisbane missing out on Nick Riewoldt, because he lived kilometres outside the Lions' concessional draft zone, Gibbs falls only a handful of games short of the minimum requirement for him to be taken under the father-son rule.
For Gibbs to qualify, Ross Gibbs needed to have played 200 games for Glenelg between 1970 and 1990. Gibbs played 253 games for Glenelg, but his 200th came too late, in 1991.
The AFL advised the Crows on Thursday they had been agonisingly close to being able to claim the prodigious talent for a third-round draft pick.
"We are disappointed sure, because the kid certainly looks talented," said Adelaide football manager John Reid.
"We are disappointed in the sense that we thought he was eligible but due to some misunderstanding of the statistics, it turns out he is not.
"People were pushing him up, so when we double-checked we found he is short under the AFL rules. He is 20-odd games short; he needed to have played his 200th before 1990 and he played it in 1991."
He also needed to have played his 200th game before the Crows came into the competition in 1991. He had played only about 160 at that time.
With Gibbs back in the mix, what was already shaping as a stellar draft has become significantly stronger.
Highly fancied teenagers Joel Selwood, Leroy Jetta and Scott Gumbleton are already being touted as top draft picks in what could be a year to rival the 2001 draft of Luke Hodge, Chris Judd and Luke Ball for elite talent.
Gibbs, at 16, has already been playing senior SANFL football for Glenelg across half-forward for two years and is averaging more than 20 possessions a game.
"He is absolute silk, a superstar," Kangaroos recruiting manager Neville Stibbard said yesterday.
"He is about 187 centimetres and he just never wastes the footy, he is quick, has the perfect build for AFL and he has been playing senior footy for two years in the SANFL, which is the best comp outside the AFL."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/07/22/1121539150024.html
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With Gibbs back in the mix, what was already shaping as a stellar draft has become significantly stronger.
Highly fancied teenagers Joel Selwood, Leroy Jetta and Scott Gumbleton are already being touted as top draft picks in what could be a year to rival the 2001 draft of Luke Hodge, Chris Judd and Luke Ball for elite talent.
Well if it turns out we have overachieved this year at least we'll be rewarded in 2006 if we take a step backwards before going forwards again.
Sheesh playing SANFL senior footy at just 14 :o.
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Next years draft is a draft where you say...poo i hope we make the eight but if we dont please god...let us finish last and get early picks.
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Don't forget Lach Hansen and Reiwoldt's cousin.
LOL @ half the league tanking next season.
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I saw Mitch Thorp while others would be infront...hes going to be a star...plays all key positions including Full Back. By the way it would be good to get another Thorp at Full Back. The last one wasnt bad lol.
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i'm hoping to get one of: riewoldt's brother, thorp, hansen or joel selwood in next years draft
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Its gonna be one hell of a draft Gumbleton, Thorp, Riewoldt, Selwood, Gibbs, Hansen and about 10 others who are clear R1 selections. My early pick of Thorp is based on the fact that I see the guy as having the ability to be the next Steve Silvagni...someone whose gonna be a great full back but has the ability to go to Full Forward and kick 2 or 3 goals to win you a game late. Im more hoping that next year if we fu*k up we trade of finally all the crap weve got for whatever we can get. Another 8 Juniors next year wouldnt go astray imho.
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Is next year's draft some kind of super draft like the one with Judd/Ball/Hodge/Dal Santo ???
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Yes, 2006 draft has been highly rated for months!
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If we end up in the same spot as we did this year we'd have pick 5 (no more priority picks at the start of the draft) so if Gibbs is the consensus no 1, that means we should be able to get one of at least Thorp, Gumbleton, Hansen or Selwood. Can't wait till next years draft!!!! :cheers
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IMO Selwood is currently overrated IMO!
Hansen is the guy we should be looking at the most next year for our top pick IMO!
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Thorp is so far infront of Hansen at the moment it isnt funny! For mine if RFC had pick 1 at this point of time, regardless of the hype of some players we must take Thorp!
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What makes you think that Thorp will be on the board when we come up?
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Coz we have a shocking draw and if we get off to a bad start we could end up with a top 3 pick!
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No way we're getting a top 3 pick unless we trade for it!
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We have a shocking draw, we have senior players who drop their heads when things go sour, and we have young guys who will start to get tagged. I hope im wrong but i see us finishing bottom 3 after the draw came out!
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We usually start seasons well then stuff up on the run home. So we may surprise during the first 10 tough weeks. The first few rounds always have major upsets as some sides are ahead of others in their preparation and it takes a few weeks to iron out the cobwebs. It's the second half of the year that sorts out the real challenges from the pretenders.
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Mitch Thorp= Richmond :cheers
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IMO Selwood is currently overrated IMO!
True that Selwood is currently overrater, but he does have significant talent, way better than Marc Murphy IMHO!
Thorp is so far infront of Hansen at the moment it isnt funny! For mine if RFC had pick 1 at this point of time, regardless of the hype of some players we must take Thorp!
Thorp is not only in front of Hansen at this stage but has even more potential going foward IMO. Would love for Thorp to be at Richmond next year, but i personally wouldn't mind Hansen if he is all that's left at our pick.
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Suppose we draft Thorp, i reckon he will be used at FF rather than FB because IMO Thursfield is going to be groomed as our next FB
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Cleve Hughes I have heard is now earmarked as our next full forward. Thorp however does have ability to go forward and be a goalkicker- except I just wanna see us find a 10 year full back. For mine Will Thursfield at 190cm is way to small to play at Full Back.
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Hope Crows dont land the Gibbs F/S
No way we're getting a top 3 pick unless we trade for it!
Don't be so sure...
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Hope Crows dont land the Gibbs F/S
Yep it's still up in the air whether he will qualify as a F/S going by an article in the Advertiser yesterday - http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy/story_page/0,8747,17766213%255E25397,00.html]link
Gibbs and James Sellar are training with the Crows for a week as part of their scholarships with the AIS/AFL Academy. Mark Austin and Chris Schmidt are training with Port.
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Cleve Hughes I have heard is now earmarked as our next full forward. Thorp however does have ability to go forward and be a goalkicker- except I just wanna see us find a 10 year full back. For mine Will Thursfield at 190cm is way to small to play at Full Back.
Yeah, Thorp would definitely make a better FB than Thursfield!
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Cleve Hughes I have heard is now earmarked as our next full forward. Thorp however does have ability to go forward and be a goalkicker- except I just wanna see us find a 10 year full back. For mine Will Thursfield at 190cm is way to small to play at Full Back.
Yeah, Thorp would definitely make a better FB than Thursfield!
FB you don't need a superstar. You'd hope someone already on our list: Moore, McGaune, Thursfeid will mature into a 200 game player in that postion rather than us have to 'seek one out'. Thursty is only 19. He could grow a bit more and will fill out. Leo Barry is 185cm.
Top 10 draft picks should be aimed at the best KPP (CHF mostly at junior level) and outstanding midfeidlers.
Put simply we don't take the best midfeidler we should be looking for a gun future CHF, not a FB. If he doesn't cut the mustard then he could be looked at as a defensve prospect: ie. Polak.
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Thats why Thorp for me is the player we need. He could easily play full forward...but the fact we have Hughes means that can go to full back.
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Thats why Thorp for me is the player we need. He could easily play full forward...but the fact we have Hughes means that can go to full back.
Agreed Ramps
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Looks like Gibbs is off to the Crows. The AFL are going to shift the 20-year qualification period for SANFL father-sons forward 5 years ::) so he can taken under the F/S rule. Under the old period his dad only played 191 SANFL games - 9 short of the 200 needed. Under the new timeframe his dad played 253.
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This could end up in the courts, especially if clubs like collingwood and essendon are near the bottom.
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I could be wrong but Brett Ebert technically didn't qualify for the F/S rule for the same reason as Gibbs but nobody checked properly at the time because they all assumed it was ok given Russell Ebert played something like 500 games or whatever it was so it went through without anyone querying it. Ironically in Brett Ebert's case, the new time period would of made him definitely ineligible. Imagine the quandry the AFL would have been in if Gibbs and Ebert entered the draft the same year.
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This could end up in the courts, especially if clubs like collingwood and essendon are near the bottom.
You can always expect Collingwood to do something like that :thumbsup
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Clubs unite to thwart the Crows
Michael Gleeson
The Age
March 23, 2006
RIVAL AFL clubs will resist Adelaide's push to have the father-son rule altered to allow it priority access to Bryce Gibbs, one of the hottest properties in this year's draft.
Richmond, the Western Bulldogs, Collingwood and Carlton yesterday insisted that the AFL Commission must reject the Crows' determined bid to alter the criteria governing father-son eligibility. Gibbs, 17, is the likely first or second pick in the national draft.
Gibbs' father, Ross, played 253 games for Glenelg in the SANFL, well above the number needed for a son to qualify to play for Adelaide under the father-son rule, but the games were not played in the required 20-year window.
Clubs unanimously claimed it was inappropriate to change the rules mid-year simply to allow one club priority access to an elite talent.
Bulldogs recruiting manager Scott Clayton said his club was also frustrated that it fell 12 games short of being able to take promising Murray Bushrangers youngster Ben Reid. Bruce Reid played 88 games for Footscray, short of the requisite 100 for father-son priority.
"We would love to take Ben Reid too, but we can't. It doesn't mean you change the rules. It's the same principle, if you just miss out, you just miss out," Clayton said.
Collingwood chief executive Greg Swann said the club was "very much opposed to any change to the laws midstream".
Carlton football manager Grant Williams said the club was opposed to changing any rule simply to suit an individual club or player's circumstances.
Richmond football director Greg Miller echoed the other clubs' concerns, likening the situation to that confronting the Brisbane Lions when they missed out on Nick Riewoldt, who lived just outside the 50-kilometre concession zone they were given for drafting local talent.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/03/22/1142703449495.html
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If they are going to change the rules, they gotta do it next year
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Bryce Gibbs hot shot
14 April 2006
Herald Sun
Rebecca Williams
AUSTRALIAN under-17 coach Alan McConnell has described top draft hope Bryce Gibbs as one of the most composed leaders he has seen for his age.
While the national draft is still some eights months away, 17-year-old Gibbs is already attracting plenty of attention from AFL scouts.
He has been at the centre of debate over whether the Crows should be allowed to take him as a father-son selection.
The teenager's father, Ross, played 253 games for Adelaide-aligned Glenelg, but not enough in the qualification period set by the AFL.
Despite the external distractions, McConnell, the man in charge of the AIS/AFL Academy, said Gibbs remained one of the most focused and composed young players he had coached.
Gibbs last night captained the Australian under-17 team to a thrilling 39-all draw against Ireland in the first Test of the international rules series at Telstra Dome, which was played as a curtain-raiser to the St Kilda-Brisbane clash.
Gibbs was one of the best in the midfield for Australia, while his strong-marking Glenelg teammate James Sellar top scored with 12 points.
"He certainly has great composure. I am sure there are inner rumblings like we all have, but nothing seems to bother him too much," McConnell said of Gibbs, who is already playing senior football in the SANFL.
"Bryce is generally a pretty impressive type of fellow."
Of the other draft prospects in the Australian team, McConnell also rated Sellar and Melbourne Grammar's 198cm Tom Hawkins as exciting talents.
Australia plays the second Test against Ireland at AAMI Stadium on Sunday and the third Test at Fremantle Oval on Wednesday.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,18809541%255E19742,00.html
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Potential first pick to meet his suitors
Jake Niall
The Age
June 2, 2006
BRYCE Gibbs met Carlton coach Denis Pagan last weekend, and will be unable to be in the Essendon rooms tonight, but the prospective top draft pick intends to meet with all of the lowly placed teams before season's end.
Gibbs was in the Carlton rooms last Saturday, along with Glenelg teammate, and another potential top pick, James Sellar, and while football commitments will prevent him from seeing Essendon up close, his management plans for him to see the Bombers and Kangaroos in due course.
Gibbs' manager, Max Stevens, said yesterday that the teenage wunderkind — who has been compared to a young James Hird and Nathan Buckley — would take advantage of the opportunity to see up close the clubs that might draft him.
Stevens pointed out that while clubs would be able to speak to Gibbs, who is playing senior football with Glenelg and is favourite to be first pick in a strong talent pool, before the draft it was important for the youngster to familiarise himself with the clubs that might select him.
Gibbs was unable to meet the Bombers because he has training tonight. His father has already had informal discussions with Port Adelaide, which would obviously be keen to draft him if he was still there for the Power's pick.
Gibbs and Sellar listened to Pagan's address to the Carlton players last Saturday and met with the coach. Blues football director and club legend Stephen Kernahan is a former teammate and friend of Gibbs' father, Ross.
Stevens said that while it was planned for Gibbs to meet the Dons and Roos during the season, he would not see any other clubs before the national under-18 championships. "He's got a very, very important carnival coming up with the national under-18 championships," Stevens said.
While Stevens said Gibbs was only one of several youngsters vying to be first pick in the draft, the expectation within the football world is that he is certain to be among the top three and the clearcut favourite to be first name called out.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/06/01/1148956482789.html
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We'll snare Gibbs
23 September 2006 Herald-Sun
Mark Stevens
YOU can have Bryce Gibbs now, but we will never give up on getting him back.
That is the fighting message from Adelaide recruiting manager James Fantasia as the South Australian prodigy prepares to join Carlton, Essendon or the Kangaroos.
"We'll be making every effort possible to make sure Bryce Gibbs plays the majority of his career at the Adelaide footy club," Fantasia said.
"That's on notice and I think the Gibbs family is very happy with that concept.
"Bryce is the one who will make the decision and that will be two years down the track.
"We will do everything in our power to get him home, and if it's not that time, it will be the time after until we do it.
"We make no bones about it. He should be with the Adelaide footy club. We're a victim here."
The Crows are still reeling from narrowly missing out on the midfielder under the father-son rule.
Gibbs' father Ross played 253 games for SANFL club Glenelg, 53 more than the amount needed to qualify.
But the Crows were thwarted because Gibbs had not played 200 when the club entered the AFL at the start of 1991.
"Anyone who has any ounce of reasoning will see we have been unlucky," Fantasia said.
"Ross Gibbs' career has been ignored and that's a travesty."
The Crows will look on ruefully as Gibbs is snapped up in the top three -- possibly at No. 1 -- at the national draft.
Under AFL rules, Gibbs has to sign a minimum two-year contract with his new club.
Considering the Crows are highly unlikely to fall to the bottom of the ladder and claim the No. 1 pick in the pre-season draft, Gibbs would have to head back home through a trade.
The Crows have also had to deal with the frustration of Adam Cooney and Ryan Griffen being snatched from under their noses by the Bulldogs.
"It's massively frustrating. Really frustrating. You get to know them and it creates friendships that go for a long time," Fantasia said.
"There's an edge of me that really despises the system. You move some really fine young people away from their families that are really great families. It happens both ways though. I really feel for them. It's tough."
But just as the Crows lost Kane Johnson (Richmond) and Tyson Stenglein (West Coast) to homesickness, Fantasia is confident the club will benefit from stars coming home in the future.
"I'm absolutely certain, whether I'm in the chair or someone else is, that there'll be a few presents come our way over the next five to 10 years. No question," he said.
"It (moving interstate) is not for everyone. Nothing's forever."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20461628%255E19742,00.html
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I thought trying to manipulate the draft by scaring off other clubs from picking up a player was against the draft rules ??? ::)
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If Carlton trade their first pick away to Adelaide for Johncock and pick 14 so the Crows can get Gibbs then they deserve to have their draft picks taken away from them again.