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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 31, 2013, 10:23:32 PM
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Whitey gone with a hammy :(.
Any other changes?
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Ins:
Newman
JR
Shed
Outs:
Big O
White
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Whitey gone with a hammy :(.
Any other changes?
Shed, Newy, Jack in for White and the unlucky Orren & Pettard.
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Ins:
Newman
JR
Shed
Outs:
Big O
White
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Griggor pettard...
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In: Jack, Sheds, Oldman
Out: Orrenson, Greg ( :'(?), Picky Retterd
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Ins:
Newman
JR
Shed
Outs:
Big O
White
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Griggor pettard...
Both dimmas pets, prob tucky :-[
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Tucky was born for finals footy
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Out:
Petterd (weak, poor decisions)
Big O (sorry mate, rucked well)
Whitey (hammy)
In:
Newman
Jack (better not sook because Edwards just showed him how to play IMO. Lead and keep your crap together).
Titch
Keep Tuck in. Great clearance work again.
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Out:
Petterd (weak, poor decisions)
Big O (sorry mate, rucked well)
Whitey (hammy)
In:
Newman
Jack (better not sook because Edwards just showed him how to play IMO. Lead and keep your crap together).
Titch
Keep Tuck in. Great clearance work again.
Same for me, bloody unlucky for Greg White and it would be a travesty if Tucky doesn't play, but one poor bastard is going to miss out
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Feel for Tucky, but just reckon he's going to be an out
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We will miss White like we did a fortnight ago. :banghead
Out: Orren, White, Pettard
In: Jack, Newy, Titch.
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reckon the big o needs to play just means someone has to miss.
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Maric looked hampered IMO. If he is, O plays.
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Tucky was born for finals footy
This blokes on fire :bow
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No changes.
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INS: Newman, Jack, Titch
OUTS: Big O, Tuck (unfortunately), Petterd
White should be Ok ;D
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Bring Coburg in. Give the seniors a rest and save them for next week.*
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Out:
Petterd (weak, poor decisions)
Big O (sorry mate, rucked well)
Whitey (hammy)
In:
Newman
Jack (better not sook because Edwards just showed him how to play IMO. Lead and keep your crap together).
Titch
Keep Tuck in. Great clearance work again.
White may play. In definitely Jack and Newman. If White fit out Petterd and Big o. If White out in Edwards
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Unless we are absolutely sure that rain is in the offing I wouldn't be playing Tuck. The frenetic pace of finals (on a dry day) will find him out and we need our sub' to be speedy.
Out: Big O, Tuck, White
Ins: Newy, Jack, Edwards(sub)
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Unless we are absolutely sure that rain is in the offing I wouldn't be playing Tuck. The frenetic pace of finals (on a dry day) will find him out and we need our sub' to be speedy.
Out: Big O, Tuck, White
Ins: Newy, Jack, Edwards(sub)
'Tuck's ability to win clearances will be critical against the blues. Finals are all about contested footy. Furthermore Tuck can play forward if needed.
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Unless we are absolutely sure that rain is in the offing I wouldn't be playing Tuck. The frenetic pace of finals (on a dry day) will find him out and we need our sub' to be speedy.
Out: Big O, Tuck, White
Ins: Newy, Jack, Edwards(sub)
'Tuck's ability to win clearances will be critical against the blues. Finals are all about contested footy. Furthermore Tuck can play forward if needed.
I take your point but I am more worried about their ability to spread.
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Tuck over Foley in this situation anyday.
His last season with us and will be intent on playing great footy.
Foley - meh.
Does good, does terrible.
Usually kicks a goal or two after having gave away 2 or 3 through sloppy disposal
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Tuck will be one of the outs for the final.
After giving Tuck the final insult of playing him as the sub after he announced his retirement, Dimma and the match committee won't back down on getting rid of him for good.
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Out - Tuck, Petterd, Vickery or White (if inj)
In - Edwards, Newman, Jack
I would leave the Big O in for the Carlton clash to compete with Warnock. Maric does not match up well against Warnock and, as the game went on last time we played the Blues, Maric's reduced able to jump exacerbated the problem. I think we need to keep the same structure as we used against the Dons but swap Jack for Vickery. I would think about doing a West Coast against Warnock and get Vickery or the Big O around the stoppages and have them go third man up.
The ruck contest is our greatest weakness imo and if we want to win the clearances we need to do something different.
Newman is an upgrade in that role on Petterd = no brainer if fully fit.
Jack creates a huge amount of goals but we should not risk bringing him back in if he is not fit. A CHF that can not kick more than 20m and struggles to lead would be a hindrance so Selection Panel - forget reputations and pick on fitness :pray
Edwards inclusion to the HF line is vital. Tuck is a clearance machine but he is not defensive enough and hasn't the legs for a full game atm. HArd call because I love the guy but unless the weather is wet, Edwards should take his spot.
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Your dreaming if you think the Big o will get a game before Vickers Stripes
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I'm with Chuck on this Stripes Vickery will play. I reckon Ty is one of Dimma's non negotiables like Jako when fit and available.
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I'm with Chuck on this Stripes Vickery will play. I reckon Ty is one of Dimma's non negotiables like Jako when fit and available.
Agree is "Non negotiables" the politically correct way if saying "one of Dimma's favourites" ;D :thumbsup
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OUT:
Petterd, Stephenson, Tuck/White (if injured)
IN:
Newman, Riewoldt, S.Edwards
:gotigers
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Why are people counting on Newmans injury to be healed.
Upper ankle, meaning the ligament that connects the ankle to the whatsit.
On top of that, the bloke hasn't played for the best part of a month and will struggle regardless.
White on the other hand didn't do a hammy at all.
Was lower back spasms and the club, as of Sat night, were confident he'd pull up fine.
Foley out for titch.
Petard for Jack.
Tuck to start.
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I like your anatomical terms :lol. Do you know if it's medial or lateral side? Think cause the club said he could've played on the weekend people are confident he'll get up. I reckon if his only 70% they'd still play him (rightly or wrongly).
On White, his lower back spasms were a result of his hammy :thumbsup
You'd be happy with all of Jack, Ty, Edwards, Maric and Stephenson floating around the forward line?
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Richmond football manager Dan Richardson said Riewoldt (back) was expected to return after missing Saturday night's match against Essendon.
"He was a little bit sore in his back but we expect him to be OK," Richardson said.
"It was just soreness in his back, so I think we are pretty confident that everything will be fine in that regard."
But Richardson said there was "a little bit of doubt" over Matt White, who was subbed off at half-time against the Bombers with a back-related hamstring injury.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/blues-veteran-chris-judd-says-he-will-be-fit-to-take-on-richmond-on-sunday/story-fndv8f7j-1226708649259
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Sh. It house
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reckon the big o needs to play just means someone has to miss.
Spot on Claw.
I can't believe the amount of people on here calling for the Big O to be dropped. If we throw Ivan up against Kruezer and Warnock with only a bit of a chop out from Vickery, we will be flirting with disaster. Orren must stay. For me, the changes must be:
IN: Newman-Riewoldt-S. Edwards
OUT: White (h/string)-Pettard-Grigg
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reckon the big o needs to play just means someone has to miss.
Spot on Claw.
I can't believe the amount of people on here calling for the Big O to be dropped. If we throw Ivan up against Kruezer and Warnock with only a bit of a chop out from Vickery, we will be flirting with disaster. Orren must stay. For me, the changes must be:
IN: Newman-Riewoldt-S. Edwards
OUT: White (h/string)-Pettard-Grigg
Understand the argument
But I just cannot see them going in with Maric, Stephenson & Vickery; especially with Jack coming back in.
I thought the Big O was good on Saturday but I just can't see them playing them all and there is no way in hell they will drop Tyrone so unfortunately the Big O is the unlucky one
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reckon the big o needs to play just means someone has to miss.
Spot on Claw.
I can't believe the amount of people on here calling for the Big O to be dropped. If we throw Ivan up against Kruezer and Warnock with only a bit of a chop out from Vickery, we will be flirting with disaster. Orren must stay. For me, the changes must be:
IN: Newman-Riewoldt-S. Edwards
OUT: White (h/string)-Pettard-Grigg
Understand the argument
But I just cannot see them going in with Maric, Stephenson & Vickery; especially with Jack coming back in.
I thought the Big O was good on Saturday but I just can't see them playing them all and there is no way in hell they will drop Tyrone so unfortunately the Big O is the unlucky one
I think it's important to our structure to leave Tyrone at CHF. The fact is that Ivan needs someone to share about 40-50% of the ruck workload on match day, especially against a lethal combo like Kruezer and Warnock. The problem is, I don't believe that Vickery is a natural ruckman to begin with, and the time he spends in the ruck robs our forward line of another marking option. Whereas I think we could really stretch Carlton's poor defence if we could afford the luxury of having Vickery, Jack and Aaron Edwards permanently in our forward fifty. I don't think it's a coincidence that we have looked a more dangerous and cohesive unit when the Big O has been in the side with Ivan.
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reckon the big o needs to play just means someone has to miss.
Spot on Claw.
I can't believe the amount of people on here calling for the Big O to be dropped. If we throw Ivan up against Kruezer and Warnock with only a bit of a chop out from Vickery, we will be flirting with disaster. Orren must stay. For me, the changes must be:
IN: Newman-Riewoldt-S. Edwards
OUT: White (h/string)-Pettard-Grigg
Understand the argument
But I just cannot see them going in with Maric, Stephenson & Vickery; especially with Jack coming back in.
I thought the Big O was good on Saturday but I just can't see them playing them all and there is no way in hell they will drop Tyrone so unfortunately the Big O is the unlucky one
Do you think Ty should be dropped or were you just saying?
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Why about Lonergan for White???
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I don't think Vickery should be dropped but I want the Big O to stay. Without his ruck work we will struggle. I would go in with The Big O rotating with Maric for the ruck on and off the bench, with Vickery in the forward line with A Edwards and Jack. Have Foley/White as sub, change over 10 minutes into the third quarter and use Vickery as the chop out in the ruck after this point.
Fail-proof :thumbsup :P
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Why about Lonergan for White???
stuff that. Would rather the return of the leg. Plays well in September Portmelbourneayresy.com
Tuck plays. If he doesn't, I'll make sure he does
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Do you think Ty should be dropped or were you just saying?
Just saying - he should have been dropped half through the season and wasn't so it's clear he isn't going to be dropped
Right now I wouldn't drop him because of his mobility around the ground when he gives Maric a chop out in the ruck
Why about Lonergan for White???
Not in a million years.
White is fast, Lonergan is slow
White can actually hit targets Lonergan is a classic ball butcher
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There is only really limited number of people that can be dropped
Orren
Pettard
Grigg
Tuck
Foley?
White injury
Everyone else almost untouchable, for now.
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There is only really limited number of people that can be dropped
Orren
Pettard
Grigg
Tuck
Foley?
White injury
Everyone else almost untouchable, for now.
Reckon Grigg and Foley are untouchable at the moment too Bents (perhaps Foley is on the brink). A Edwards would have been a given to go out with Jack's return but he is playing far too well at the moment to be considered seriously. Creates a big conundrum - I fear Big O will go out which will hurt us far more.
I'm worried here
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There is only really limited number of people that can be dropped
Orren
Pettard
Grigg
Tuck
Foley?
White injury
Everyone else almost untouchable, for now.
Reckon Grigg and Foley are untouchable at the moment too Bents (perhaps Foley is on the brink). A Edwards would have been a given to go out with Jack's return but he is playing far too well at the moment to be considered seriously. Creates a big conundrum - I fear Big O will go out which will hurt us far more.
I'm worried here
I fear Vlastuin / Conca / Ellis type being dropped to accommodate Pettard or Grigg both of which Hardwick seems to like, plus Newman, Shane Edwards and Reiwoldt. :-\
If White did not get an injury it would have been very interesting to see the 22 and which way the match committee went.
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I suspect White will play as a sub..
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I suspect White will play as a sub..
Yep, agree
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The Barometer - Week 1 Finals
Herald-Sun
September 2, 2013
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: With three likely returns - Riewoldt, Newman and Shane Edwards, who has served his one-match suspension - the Tigers' match committee must find three players to make way. Back-up ruckman Orren Stephenson is one, but then it gets tough. Matt White could be No.2 if he doesn't come up from a sore hamstring, and Shane Tuck might be unlucky to miss out after starting as the sub again against Essendon. But his head-down attack on the ball could be a perfect fit for finals footy. Other possible candidates are Ricky Petterd - who's kicking for goal clearly needs work but is rated highly for his forward pressure - and possibly youngster Nick Vlastuin.
ON THE CUSP: Surely Newman will get up after missing three matches with an ankle problem. The skipper says he had a "fairly solid hitout" on Saturday and could have played in Round 23 if he was needed. He also says Jack Riewoldt will come straight back. That leaves the biggest watch on White, who's pace has become a key part of the Tiger game plan. He was subbed off at halftime with a hamstring issue but Richmond isn't saying how serious it is. Meanwhile, the likes of Robin Nahas and Sam Lonergan are available but it's hard to see them getting a look-in.
AL PATON'S FORECAST: After 12 years of waiting and about two months of trying to keep the lid on, it's here Tiger fans. The Tigers finished on 15 wins, five more than last year - a fantastic achievement. But it won't feel like much if they get knocked out in the first week of September. Finishing fifth pits Richmond against the "lucky loser" Carlton which - ironically - gets in after finishing ninth. The worry for the Tigers is the Blues have been their bogey side - they have won just one of the past 11 clashes between the teams. But that win was in Round 1 this year and while they lost their most recent meeting, they played essentially without Trent Cotchin or Dustin Martin (held to 14 and 10 touches by Ed Curnow and Zach Tuohy respectively) and still lost by just 10 points. The Tigers won four more matches than Carlton this season and deserve to start favourite.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/week-1-afl-finals-whos-good-to-go-whos-injured-and-whos-pushing-for-selection/story-fnelctok-1226708948399
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No one wants to drop Vickery or the big O. So what about Maric?
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Vlastun getting dropped would be very upsetting
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so would petterd playing
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Suprised Jake King and Grimes arn't a consideration here. I love jakey in the team, especially against the scum (because he just LOVES scum), and Grimes has much greater poise and decision making ability than say a pettard. But both the jakey and pettard have the bods. Better with or without king? When you consider is Sheds to come in, probably prefer him over king.
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Suprised Jake King and Grimes arn't a consideration here. I love jakey in the team, especially against the scum (because he just LOVES scum), and Grimes has much greater poise and decision making ability than say a pettard. But both the jakey and pettard have the bods. Better with or without king? When you consider is Sheds to come in, probably prefer him over king.
stay off the weed pal
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Suprised Jake King and Grimes arn't a consideration here. I love jakey in the team, especially against the scum (because he just LOVES scum), and Grimes has much greater poise and decision making ability than say a pettard. But both the jakey and pettard have the bods. Better with or without king? When you consider is Sheds to come in, probably prefer him over king.
stay off the weed pal
yep, leave the grass to the pros
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Which part is incoherent? If you read it, grimes and king a consideration to be dropped, makes a little more sense.... Maybe you guys need to get some into ya, everything makes more sense then!!!
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Out:
Petterd (weak, poor decisions)
Big O (sorry mate, rucked well)
Whitey (hammy)
In:
Newman
Jack (better not sook because Edwards just showed him how to play IMO. Lead and keep your crap together).
Titch
Keep Tuck in. Great clearance work again.
I am with you 100%, start Tucky on the ground and maybe Foley as sub?? I think Edwards would have won the Coleman if he had played every week, looked lively, I FFFXXXFFF LOVED that when he marked the ball he was back and around looking for options like when he passed off to TV. Not like others who just saunter back.
Our biggest probs will be betts and yarran, personally I would keep jack out BUT he will take their best defender
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reckon the big o needs to play just means someone has to miss.
Spot on Claw.
I can't believe the amount of people on here calling for the Big O to be dropped. If we throw Ivan up against Kruezer and Warnock with only a bit of a chop out from Vickery, we will be flirting with disaster. Orren must stay. For me, the changes must be:
IN: Newman-Riewoldt-S. Edwards
OUT: White (h/string)-Pettard-Grigg
Understand the argument
But I just cannot see them going in with Maric, Stephenson & Vickery; especially with Jack coming back in.
I thought the Big O was good on Saturday but I just can't see them playing them all and there is no way in hell they will drop Tyrone so unfortunately the Big O is the unlucky one
why not wp. vickery is a tall forward riewoldt is a tall forward that makes two. every side in the comp goes in with two genuine permanent tall forwards. a lot of em also play two ruckmen.some will play a third tall and one ruckman some like sydney when players are fit will play 3 talls and two ruckmen.
kurt tippett will come back into their side to join jesse white but you can bet your bottom dollar mumford and pyke will play as well.
isnt kurt tippett a bit like our vickery. the difference is they keep both their kpfs in their forward structure and play their two rucks in the ruck with stints forward. we play two kpfs and then lose our structure by playing one in the ruck when ivan gets tired.
no matter the combination you need a combination of 4 genuine talls in the forward line and ruck as a minimum.
we need only look as far as last yrs premiers to see what sort of structures win grand finals. lrt, reid, goodes all played forward and both mumford and pyke played in the ruck and went forward at times.
id have no problems at all rotating ivan between ruck and thru the forward line leaving vickery and jack permanently there.
the premiers the yr before last geelong 2011 played 4 monsters, hawkins and pods permanent forwards ottens and west in the ruck.
collingwood sheesh they won a flag playing cloke and dawes as permanent forwards with jolly and leigh brown pinch hitting in the ruck. it goes on and on.
to succeed id almost say its a must you structure up this way.
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reckon the big o needs to play just means someone has to miss.
Spot on Claw.
I can't believe the amount of people on here calling for the Big O to be dropped. If we throw Ivan up against Kruezer and Warnock with only a bit of a chop out from Vickery, we will be flirting with disaster. Orren must stay. For me, the changes must be:
IN: Newman-Riewoldt-S. Edwards
OUT: White (h/string)-Pettard-Grigg
Understand the argument
But I just cannot see them going in with Maric, Stephenson & Vickery; especially with Jack coming back in.
I thought the Big O was good on Saturday but I just can't see them playing them all and there is no way in hell they will drop Tyrone so unfortunately the Big O is the unlucky one
I think it's important to our structure to leave Tyrone at CHF. The fact is that Ivan needs someone to share about 40-50% of the ruck workload on match day, especially against a lethal combo like Kruezer and Warnock. The problem is, I don't believe that Vickery is a natural ruckman to begin with, and the time he spends in the ruck robs our forward line of another marking option. Whereas I think we could really stretch Carlton's poor defence if we could afford the luxury of having Vickery, Jack and Aaron Edwards permanently in our forward fifty. I don't think it's a coincidence that we have looked a more dangerous and cohesive unit when the Big O has been in the side with Ivan.
I'm fully with you RR. Although my views on 2 ruckmen are old news and well-known, against Carlton I think it's imperative to play them both. Jack and Vickery in the forward line makes them keep either of Henderson and/or Waite down back and makes one of their ruckmen go forward if they want more than 1 tall marking option to stretch our defence. They have beaten us with height in the past recently and can do it again if we go too short.
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No one wants to drop Vickery or the big O. So what about Maric?
;D
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I think it's important to our structure to leave Tyrone at CHF. The fact is that Ivan needs someone to share about 40-50% of the ruck workload on match day, especially against a lethal combo like Kruezer and Warnock. The problem is, I don't believe that Vickery is a natural ruckman to begin with, and the time he spends in the ruck robs our forward line of another marking option. Whereas I think we could really stretch Carlton's poor defence if we could afford the luxury of having Vickery, Jack and Aaron Edwards permanently in our forward fifty. I don't think it's a coincidence that we have looked a more dangerous and cohesive unit when the Big O has been in the side with Ivan.
been saying similar for ages much better put than me and agree.
have wanted a prefered set up two kpfs say jack and for arguments sake mcbean. vickery in a pocket alternating with ivan in the ruck and on the bench.
failing that play the two ruckmen with jack as one kpf and use vickery permanently as the other.
have argued ever since we got him, a edwards should be played as a medium sized forward who can take a grab and is good on the lead.
Edited to correct quote
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Big O stays in for me to help Maric he needs it and perfect against the blues .Vickery can play forward most of the game as we did against the hawks and dons.I reckon we look like a better side alot.Ricky Petterd has to be dropped for godsake did nothing last 2 games and we have betters players ahead of him ready to come in.White have to wait and see during the week ,but his run and carry is a weapon and we missed him against the blues last time.Tucky might be the unlucky one.
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Against Carlton last time really missed White and King. In White's absence they managed to curb Ellis. Hope White pulls up okay. Walker, Garlett and Waite are worries as is Murphy, Scotland, Gibbs and Robinson(he always has an uncanny knack of playing well against us).
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we shouldnt play anyone that is not 100%
if that means Newman, Jack and White sit out, so be it.
We are good enough to beat Carlton without them, lets keep them on ice for the semi finals
If Tuck doesnt play I will be very dissapointed
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we shouldnt play anyone that is not 100%
if that means Newman, Jack and White sit out, so be it.
We are good enough to beat Carlton without them, lets keep them on ice for the semi finals
If Tuck doesnt play I will be very dissapointed
Tuckie hasn't been 100% fit for years.
:lol
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we shouldnt play anyone that is not 100%
if that means Newman, Jack and White sit out, so be it.
We are good enough to beat Carlton without them, lets keep them on ice for the semi finals
If Tuck doesnt play I will be very dissapointed
Tuckie hasn't been 100% fit for years.
:lol
No maybe not, but the point your missing is Shane Tuck has given 100% for every game he has played over the last decade.
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Shane Tuck injured VS Petterd/Lonergan/Nahas fully fit.
I know who I'd pick.
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Why is everyone so down on Petterd? He has played well in every game I've seen him in this season. Sure he has been injured on 2 occasions and his kicking for goal leaves a bit to be desired, but, he can play many roles and has the ability to do the mercurial at times. I reckon he has the potential to be game changer in what is ordinarily (finals) a tightly held contest.
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We need Whitey and Foley and hopefully he can use the ball well. They both can play outside and have speed. Carlton seem to kill us on the outside.
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Greatest elements we need against Carltons tight man on man style is height and run. They hurt us in the ruck plus on the spread and rebound. We need to expose their back line with size and speed. This is why we need the Big O to remain in the side with White, King and Edwards hurting them with their run, crumbing capabilities and defensive pressure. A Edwards shoed against the Dons that he can lock the ball inside the F50 too so with Jack also pressuring the defenders that makes for a damaging forward line and a strong ruck line up too.
Throw either White or Foley in the sub, Newman in Petterd's place and we will win with that line up :thumbsup
As much as I love the man, Tuck needs to go in place of S Edwards.......unless its wet :shh
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Why is everyone so down on Petterd? He has played well in every game I've seen him in this season. Sure he has been injured on 2 occasions and his kicking for goal leaves a bit to be desired, but, he can play many roles and has the ability to do the mercurial at times. I reckon he has the potential to be game changer in what is ordinarily (finals) a tightly held contest.
Unaccountable
Panic merchant
Poor decision making
Average skills
From Melbourne
Bag head
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Gets hurt alot
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Gets hurt a lot
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Gives it away alot or butchers it to a bloke who often is under pressure to keep possession.
He lost me a fair way with his twitchy game dropping easy marks under little pressure against the Pies way back in Round 4. He does some nice things and then undoes everything with clangers.
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And to top it off he's selfish. Maybe even a bit up himself?
Has a big eye for kicking goals when he could find a better positioned team mate.
Backup player IMO. Not best 22. Would keep him though. And he needs another 5kg FFS. No skinny runts anymore please.
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RICHMOND
Chris Newman (ankle) and Jack Riewoldt (knee) have been described by coach Damien Hardwick as "locks" to return and play in the Tigers' first final since 2001. It seems the entire football world is waiting on Newman to take the field and play his first final after 232 games. Speedster Matt White, who hurt his hamstring on Saturday night against Essendon, is a 50-50 prospect to play against Carlton. Improved midfielder Shane Edwards, who has played 19 games this season, has served a one-match suspension and is certain to be recalled. - Nathan Schmook
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-03/in-the-mix-finals-week-one
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And to top it off he's selfish. Maybe even a bit up himself?
Has a big eye for kicking goals when he could find a better positioned team mate.
Backup player IMO. Not best 22. Would keep him though. And he needs another 5kg FFS. No skinny runts anymore please.
Wanker hipster body shape
Good for tight jeans and the snow but not finals
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Petterd's lack of skills in particular kicking greatly worries me. You can't afford to miss easy shots at goal in a final otherwise you are gone.
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Reckon Newman will play out of his skin for this.
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Why is everyone so down on Petterd? He has played well in every game I've seen him in this season. Sure he has been injured on 2 occasions and his kicking for goal leaves a bit to be desired, but, he can play many roles and has the ability to do the mercurial at times. I reckon he has the potential to be game changer in what is ordinarily (finals) a tightly held contest.
There thing is where does he fit in the puzzle?
#1 - FB: Grimes
#2 - CHB: Rance
#3 - 3B: Chaplin
#4 - FF: Riewoldt
#5 - CHF: Vickery
#6 - 3F: Aaron Edwards
#7 - Ruck: Maric
#8 - C: Cotchin
#9 - RR: Deledio
#10 - R: Martin
#11 - W: Jackson
#12 - W: Grigg
#13 - BP: Morris
#14 - HBF: Vlastuin
#15 - HBF: Houli
#16 - FP: Shane Edwards
#17 - HFF: Ellis
#18 - HFF: Conca
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#19 - I: Newman
#20 - I: White
#21 - I: King
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#22 - +1: Foley
* positions largely interchangeable;
Ie. Deledio back line, Vlastuin forward. Conca on the ball. Only a few postitions would be permanent ie. Morris lock down small defender and Riewoldt key forward. etc.
By and large the above format paints a rough picture of ranking/ordering the list, specifically the best 22.There is only (about) 14, plus one, spots in the senior sides available for small/mids and in reality a lot less when you take into consideration 'first names of the team sheet'. I dont think in the future Pettard will be in direct competition for a spot in the side with a Cotchin / Deledio / Martin.
With the like of Arnot, Knights etc. pushing for a spot next season / long term I hope Pettard doesn't get regular games. Although the coach seems to like him, I see a superior player missing out to fit him into the side. Even to squeeze pettard in a sub means you lose the dash of a Foley or white would provide in that role. That said I don't mind Pettard and am happy with him being on the senior list next season. I was surprised Melbourne would let him go and think he is a good back up type. I have doubts if he is in the best senior side. For this week, unless White is injured Pettard is (IMO) not deserving of a spot, ahead of Vlastuin, Ellis, Foley etc.
That is without taking Tuck into consideration. The only really glaring weakness in that side is Grigg (IMO) but like Pettard he seems to by liked by the selection committee.
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If Petterd is only ever a fringe player then I'm happy with that because he has ability and that's important to us if we want to have success (especially continued) as a finals team. It's called depth and all good sides have it and need it.
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Petterd = Crap
End of story!!
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Brendon Lade said we'll see how Newy gets through training today (he trained Tuesday as well) and then decide whether he plays. Lade expects Newy to play.
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As long as Tuck starts on the field I'll be happy.
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As long as Tuck starts on the field I'll be happy.
I actually reckon Tucky is much better when he starts.
Would rather see him start and then be subbed out rather than starting as the sub and coming on late.
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Seems Titch, Jack and Newy will be back (touchwood) after all getting through training today.
Whitey sounds like he will miss. So two others to come out of last week's side? A tall and a small if we keep the same structure?
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As long as Tuck starts on the field I'll be happy.
I actually reckon Tucky is much better when he starts.
Would rather see him start and then be subbed out rather than starting as the sub and coming on late.
:thumbsup especially if this kind of weather holds up
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Looks like Dimma and the selectors have a higher opinion of Petterd than a few blokes on this forum. Every time he has been fit to play this year he has been selected. I reckon on this score they are right. As I said earlier he plays a variety of roles and could be damaging in a tight final.
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Higher than Foley or tuck it seems
I think pettard is avdantaged having white and knights not fit