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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WilliamPowell on May 30, 2013, 06:12:57 PM
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Coming up on Ch 7 news around 6.20pm
Don't thin we will be seeing any OUTS tonight
Just an extended bench
;D
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Out: Jackson, Grigg
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Inb4 Nahas retains spot meltdown
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In: A.Edwards, Astbury, Arnot, Dea, Helbig
Out: Nahas, McGuane (both omitted)
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INS: Edwards Astbury, Dea, Arnot, Helbig
OUTS: McGuane, Nahas
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Thank eff
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Must've reads tigs email ;D whoaa
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Congrats Mr OE beat me by 17 seconds
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Must've reads tigs email ;D whoaa
:clapping :clapping :clapping Good stuff Dimma. :lol
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Congrats Mr OE beat me by 17 seconds
Only took 10 rounds ;D.
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It's 2-1 by my count. Week off for the mods to hone their skills next week. And it's game on in Round 12. :clapping
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B: Morris, Rance, Houli
HB: Newman, Chaplin, Vlastuin
C: Grigg, Cotchin, Jackson
HF: Lonergan, S. Edwards, King
F: Vickery, Riewoldt, Martin
R: Maric, Deledio, Foley
IC from: Arnot, Astbury, Batchelor, Dea, A. Edwards, Helbig, White
In: Arnot, Astbury, A. Edwards, Dea, Helbig
Out: McGuane, Nahas
New: Arnot, A. Edwards
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-30/round-10-tiger-squad
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In: A.Edwards, Astbury, Arnot, Dea, Helbig
Out: Nahas, McGuane (both omitted)
:bow
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so who would most likely drop off the bench?
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I reckon A Edwards is a certainty. Takes McGuane place/role
My tip for the bench
White, A Edwards, Arnot, Batchelor
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so the match committee are expecting an injured player who cant jump or kick and a kid who plays with a lack of intensity to the point he has been subbed of twice so far this season to counter cox and nic nat?
bend over fellas and take it like a man
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so the match committee are expecting an injured player who cant jump or kick and a kid who plays with a lack of intensity to the point he has been subbed of twice so far this season to counter cox and nic nat?
bend over fellas and take it like a man
Geez truth hurts. We're stuffed. :help
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Good ins but should have included Big O. Hope Astbury plays.
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In: A.Edwards, Astbury, Arnot, Dea, Helbig
Out: Nahas, McGuane (both omitted)
:bow
Lonergan still ? ::)
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so the match committee are expecting an injured player who cant jump or kick and a kid who plays with a lack of intensity to the point he has been subbed of twice so far this season to counter cox and nic nat?
bend over fellas and take it like a man
i think our midfielders need to learn how to get possessions from a dominating opposition ruckman. You arent always going to win in the ruck so good midfielders still manage to win the ball regardless. Again watching our set up at centre bounces on occasions we almost zone rather than man on man, if we do that then we will get smashed. Need some decent strategy to stop players receiving from the ruckmen on the run, should be able to block them off to stop the fast transition into their forward 50.
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Whoa, nice depth their Tigers :clapping..Now put it to work :shh
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Must play Arnott and Edwards.
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so the match committee are expecting an injured player who cant jump or kick and a kid who plays with a lack of intensity to the point he has been subbed of twice so far this season to counter cox and nic nat?
bend over fellas and take it like a man
i think our midfielders need to learn how to get possessions from a dominating opposition ruckman. You arent always going to win in the ruck so good midfielders still manage to win the ball regardless. Again watching our set up at centre bounces on occasions we almost zone rather than man on man, if we do that then we will get smashed. Need some decent strategy to stop players receiving from the ruckmen on the run, should be able to block them off to stop the fast transition into their forward 50.
our midfielders have plenty of experience roving to the opposition ruckman, they have been doing it for years. last year we saw what a difference it makes to have a ruckman that can win tap outs, negate the opposition ruckman if he cant beat him and also give second efforts in blocking, shepherding and generally letting the opposition mids know he is about when the ball hits the deck.
personally i'd prefer a ruckman that does that rather than expecting our mids to play with the knowledge we will get smashed in the ruck and adapting to that.
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Good ins but should have included Big O. Hope Astbury plays.
He s in dont worry :lol
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Cant wait till after the bye to see Pettard, Lonergan, Jackson and Grigg in the same side
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Cant wait till after the bye to see Pettard, Lonergan, Jackson and Grigg in the same side
:lol oh please for the love of god. We should give our license to Tassie.
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so the match committee are expecting an injured player who cant jump or kick and a kid who plays with a lack of intensity to the point he has been subbed of twice so far this season to counter cox and nic nat?
bend over fellas and take it like a man
i think our midfielders need to learn how to get possessions from a dominating opposition ruckman. You arent always going to win in the ruck so good midfielders still manage to win the ball regardless. Again watching our set up at centre bounces on occasions we almost zone rather than man on man, if we do that then we will get smashed. Need some decent strategy to stop players receiving from the ruckmen on the run, should be able to block them off to stop the fast transition into their forward 50.
our midfielders have plenty of experience roving to the opposition ruckman, they have been doing it for years. last year we saw what a difference it makes to have a ruckman that can win tap outs, negate the opposition ruckman if he cant beat him and also give second efforts in blocking, shepherding and generally letting the opposition mids know he is about when the ball hits the deck.
personally i'd prefer a ruckman that does that rather than expecting our mids to play with the knowledge we will get smashed in the ruck and adapting to that.
Unfortunately with Maric not playing at the same level i think we need to change tactics a little and go back to the Gus days, i think at the moment they are positioning as they did last season but with him down on form (injured?) he just hasn't been as dominant so as a result our clearances out of the middle are down, i think av.hit out stats show us to be well below average this year compared to near average last season.
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We don't need to go back to the Gus days Lozza, we could just play O, who has shown he can win us a few tapouts and give our mids a bit of a blockout.
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so the match committee are expecting an injured player who cant jump or kick and a kid who plays with a lack of intensity to the point he has been subbed of twice so far this season to counter cox and nic nat?
bend over fellas and take it like a man
i think our midfielders need to learn how to get possessions from a dominating opposition ruckman. You arent always going to win in the ruck so good midfielders still manage to win the ball regardless. Again watching our set up at centre bounces on occasions we almost zone rather than man on man, if we do that then we will get smashed. Need some decent strategy to stop players receiving from the ruckmen on the run, should be able to block them off to stop the fast transition into their forward 50.
our midfielders have plenty of experience roving to the opposition ruckman, they have been doing it for years. last year we saw what a difference it makes to have a ruckman that can win tap outs, negate the opposition ruckman if he cant beat him and also give second efforts in blocking, shepherding and generally letting the opposition mids know he is about when the ball hits the deck.
personally i'd prefer a ruckman that does that rather than expecting our mids to play with the knowledge we will get smashed in the ruck and adapting to that.
Unfortunately with Maric not playing at the same level i think we need to change tactics a little and go back to the Gus days, i think at the moment they are positioning as they did last season but with him down on form (injured?) he just hasn't been as dominant so as a result our clearances out of the middle are down, i think av.hit out stats show us to be well below average this year compared to near average last season.
all the more reason to play two rucks
We don't need to go back to the Gus days Lozza, we could just play O, who has shown he can win us a few tapouts and give our mids a bit of a blockout.
:thumbsup
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Really hope all 5 get a game.
really think we are one tall too few again. would love to see astbury at chb for this week and a kid like elton or griffiths play alongside riewoldt and vickery forward.
dea at hb we just have to give this kid a decent run at it.
astbury at chb relaeasing rance to third man up. pretty clear we will play him forward though.leaving just two tall backs in rance lol, and chaplin.
a edwards to a forward pocket but id play him as a medium rather than a tall.
arnot and helbig to the bench as a part of midfield rotations.
outs for mine are no brainers.
white - shocking sml player with below average skills.
nahas - another sml with lousy skills who is not afl standard,
mcguane - one who tries his guts out but is not afl standard. a tall who should be replaced by a genuine tall.
lonergan - slow poorly skilled in fact lousy kick who for an inside player finds little ball what were they thinking when they rookied him.
grigg - tall mid whos output is way down. hes average at best with kicking and he lacks a defensive game.
by dropping all 5 we lose very little apart from experience.
i agree with others we are behind the 8 ball with our ruckmen but the fact is theres nothing we can do about it. if anyone saw the way cox and naitanui tore stephenson up last yr they would not be advocating we play him. wont matter who we play against those two they will hurt us.
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B: Morris, Rance, Houli
HB: Newman, Chaplin, Vlastuin
C: Grigg, Cotchin, Jackson
HF: Lonergan, S. Edwards, King
F: Vickery, Riewoldt, Martin
R: Maric, Deledio, Foley
IC from: Arnot, Astbury, Batchelor, Dea, A. Edwards, Helbig, White
In: Arnot, Astbury, A. Edwards, Dea, Helbig
Out: McGuane, Nahas
New: Arnot, A. Edwards
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-30/round-10-tiger-squad
Why is Lonergan still in the team?
I can feel a smashing coming ...
Our biggest problem ... attacking goal scoring play ...
West Coast will run all over us ...
We play a horrible, slow game plan ...
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B: Morris, Rance, Houli
HB: Newman, Chaplin, Vlastuin
C: Grigg, Cotchin, Jackson
HF: Lonergan, S. Edwards, King
F: Vickery, Riewoldt, Martin
R: Maric, Deledio, Foley
IC from: Arnot, Astbury, Batchelor, Dea, A. Edwards, Helbig, White
In: Arnot, Astbury, A. Edwards, Dea, Helbig
Out: McGuane, Nahas
New: Arnot, A. Edwards
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-30/round-10-tiger-squad
Why is Lonergan still in the team?
I can feel a smashing coming ...
Our biggest problem ... attacking goal scoring play ...
West Coast will run all over us ...
We play a horrible, slow game plan ...
I agree with all of this. Except, I think our biggest problem is that we're taking on the Nic Nat/ Cox ruck combo with a ruckman on one leg, assisted by a CHF who has no impact in the ruck. Why the hell isn't the Big O in the side?
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B: Morris, Rance, Houli
HB: Newman, Chaplin, Vlastuin
C: Grigg, Cotchin, Jackson
HF: Lonergan, S. Edwards, King
F: Vickery, Riewoldt, Martin
R: Maric, Deledio, Foley
IC from: Arnot, Astbury, Batchelor, Dea, A. Edwards, Helbig, White
In: Arnot, Astbury, A. Edwards, Dea, Helbig
Out: McGuane, Nahas
New: Arnot, A. Edwards
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-30/round-10-tiger-squad
Why is Lonergan still in the team?
I can feel a smashing coming ...
Our biggest problem ... attacking goal scoring play ...
West Coast will run all over us ...
We play a horrible, slow game plan ...
I agree with all of this. Except, I think our biggest problem is that we're taking on the Nic Nat/ Cox ruck combo with a ruckman on one leg, assisted by a CHF who has no impact in the ruck. Why the hell isn't the Big O in the side?
I would have incl big o, despite his form , we need a plan v nicnat and cox. Maric will need to improve 200% to sq off with these two
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I reckon A Edwards is a certainty. Takes McGuane place/role
My tip for the bench
White, A Edwards, Arnot, Batchelor
Sounds good to me. :thumbsup
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In: A.Edwards, Astbury, Arnot, Dea, Helbig
Out: Nahas, McGuane (both omitted)
Nanas out.
:woohoo :dancing :highfive :veryhappy :highclap :jump :dancingpickle :thatsgold
"Lockup" in. :banghead
Surely not?!
Astbury should play IMO.
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Cant wait till after the bye to see Pettard, Lonergan, Jackson and Grigg in the same side
Tony that is a nightmare.
Surely Nahas will make that side too for flexibility flamboyance and failure. :help
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Hopefully Nahas never plays again for the RFC.
I reckon A Edwards is a certainty. Takes McGuane place/role
My tip for the bench
White, A Edwards, Arnot, Batchelor
Sounds good to me. :thumbsup
I reneg out White in Astbury from the above post.
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West Coast Eagles
B: Eric Mackenzie , Darren Glass , Sam Butler
HB: Shannon Hurn , Mitchell Brown , Matt Rosa
C: Andrew Gaff , Scott Selwood , Daniel Kerr
HF: Mark LeCras , Jack Darling , Chris Masten
F: Dean Cox , Josh Kennedy , Josh Hill
Foll: Nic Naitanui , Matt Priddis , Luke Shuey
I/C: Patrick McGinnity , Brad Sheppard , Mark Hutchings , Andrew Embley , Bradd Dalziell , Adam Selwood , Jacob Brennan (Three to be omitted)
In: Patrick McGinnity , Andrew Embley , Adam Selwood
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Josh Hill will tear us a new one.
Little indigenous crumbling forwards always do.
Just add him to the list.
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Really hope all 5 get a game.
really think we are one tall too few again. would love to see astbury at chb for this week and a kid like elton or griffiths play alongside riewoldt and vickery forward.
dea at hb we just have to give this kid a decent run at it.
astbury at chb relaeasing rance to third man up. pretty clear we will play him forward though.leaving just two tall backs in rance lol, and chaplin.
a edwards to a forward pocket but id play him as a medium rather than a tall.
arnot and helbig to the bench as a part of midfield rotations.
outs for mine are no brainers.
white - shocking sml player with below average skills.
nahas - another sml with lousy skills who is not afl standard,
mcguane - one who tries his guts out but is not afl standard. a tall who should be replaced by a genuine tall.
lonergan - slow poorly skilled in fact lousy kick who for an inside player finds little ball what were they thinking when they rookied him.
grigg - tall mid whos output is way down. hes average at best with kicking and he lacks a defensive game.
by dropping all 5 we lose very little apart from experience.
i agree with others we are behind the 8 ball with our ruckmen but the fact is theres nothing we can do about it. if anyone saw the way cox and naitanui tore stephenson up last yr they would not be advocating we play him. wont matter who we play against those two they will hurt us.
but at least the old O is fit and would have a dip.
if astbury plays it will be down back. he hasnt played forward for coburg recently and hardwick is not one for trying something new with a player until he has done so at coburg.
someone in a recent interview mentioned wc's forward talls so i reckon astbury will come into the backline.
edwards to come in for mr magoo. the wide open space of subi should give him plenty of space to work in.
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Cant wait till after the bye to see Pettard, Lonergan, Jackson and Grigg in the same side
Tony that is a nightmare.
Surely Nahas will make that side too for flexibility flamboyance and failure. :help
Yep, I forgot to add Nahas, White and McGuane :gotigers
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Josh Hill will tear us a new one.
Little indigenous crumbling forwards always do.
Just add him to the list.
He s plays as a tall marking marking forward rather than crumbling , i think we ve got him covered Lecras is one to watch Morris will go with him
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Eagles will win by 6 goals at least. Our team is slowly being transformed into Recycled Central. :banghead
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Must play Arnott and Edwards.
His being playing all year? :huh
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We don't need to go back to the Gus days Lozza, we could just play O, who has shown he can win us a few tapouts and give our mids a bit of a blockout.
Big O beat Jamar lol but got mauled by Essendon. Reckon if O was in the ruck Natanui would have an absolute field day
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Cant wait till after the bye to see Pettard, Lonergan, Jackson and Grigg in the same side
Our very own 4 horsemen of the apocalypse
Yep, I forgot to add Nahas, White and McGuane :gotigers
Or perhaps the secret 7
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2 changers in a performance like that last week.Grigg and Vickery should be sent to coburg to both to find form.How the hell is Lonergan still there mind you on the ground and White :banghead.Match commitee no idea they a gifting games to players to much that get chance after chance week after week and always let down the team.
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Eagles will win by 6 goals at least. Our team is slowly being transformed into Recycled Central. :banghead
Totally agree with this to many rejects.Dimma has gone back on his words players that cant kick wont be recruited to.
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We don't need to go back to the Gus days Lozza, we could just play O, who has shown he can win us a few tapouts and give our mids a bit of a blockout.
Big O beat Jamar lol but got mauled by Essendon. Reckon if O was in the ruck Natanui would have an absolute field day
Big O didn't play against Essendon. He played really well against Port on debut, got touched up a bit against Jamar and was dropped immediately to make way for a still underdone Maric.
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We don't need to go back to the Gus days Lozza, we could just play O, who has shown he can win us a few tapouts and give our mids a bit of a blockout.
Big O beat Jamar lol but got mauled by Essendon. Reckon if O was in the ruck Natanui would have an absolute field day
Big O didn't play against Essendon. He played really well against Port on debut, got touched up a bit against Jamar and was dropped immediately to make way for a still underdone Maric.
Yep actually realised what I said after I logged off and went to bed :lol. Just reckon an under done Maric provides more consistency than O
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Let's face it, Big O is poo. Maric is average but he's injured which makes him poo. Gus was poo. Browne was poo. Our ruckman are poo. Question is why? Development or recruiting? Both?
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Both Davey :thumbsup
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Let's face it, Big O is poo. Maric is average but he's injured which makes him poo. Gus was poo. Browne was poo. Our ruckman are poo. Question is why? Development or recruiting? Both?
Looking at your sig I'd say development ;)
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Given whom Dimma talked about today, you would reckon Az Edwards and Arnot will come in.
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Are final teams still announced today even though it's a Monday game?
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Are final teams still announced today even though it's a Monday game?
They're finalised tomorrow (Saturday), Yeahright.
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Are final teams still announced today even though it's a Monday game?
They're finalised tomorrow (Saturday), Yeahright.
Thanks OE :thumbsup
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Must play Arnott and Edwards.
His being playing all year? :huh
A. Edwards
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Let's face it, Big O is poo. Maric is average but he's injured which makes him poo. Gus was poo. Browne was poo. Our ruckman are poo. Question is why? Development or recruiting? Both?
definately recruiting,
only time we have used agood to reasonable pick on a young ruckman has been a genuine hedge.
vickery at 8 ruck or forward.
mcbean 33 skinny skinny kid who may or may not bulk up to ruck size. ruck or kpp.
putt 51 another skinny kid who was also borderline ruck or kpp.
under jackson we havent invested a decent pick on a genuine ruckman.
mature rucks
derickx at pick 63 a mature player from the wafl he did what at claremont to warrant us taking him in the nd. have to admit i liked what i saw of him at claremont.
graham big bodied ruckman who had no talent we rookied him geez thats an investment.
browne we rookied a big bodied kid but again he was a rookie picck where the odds say they wont make it.
maric at age 26 we used pick 37. he at least had some genuine size. and has proven to be an astute pick.
stephenson 31 yo genuine sized ruckman another rookie pick but like graham a hack.
our ruck stocks
maric 27yo genuine size.
stephenson - 31 yo good size but lacking a battler and nothing more than cover. should not have been drafted.
derickx - 25yo who has done absolutely zilch should have been delisted last yr.
vickery - well he aint no ruckman and hes struggling to be a kpp as well looking like a wasted top 10 pick more and more.
mcbean - again he looks like a kpp rather than a ruckman.
imo we have just one decent and genuine ruckman on the entire list and hes 27.
at seasons end its obvious what we need to do
delist stephenson, delist derickx
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target a genuine young ruckman with our first or second round pick. ffs no bloody string beans who may or may not become a ruckman.
target a mature ruckman 24 + yo from another club or from the state leagues. would have the feelers out for scott lycett and callum sinclair at wce. would also be asking about jeremy mcgovern kpf while we were at it.
how about we give em rance for lycett and mcgovern.
target a young ruckman in the rookie draft.would love us to have a serious look at cam symonds from e/freo.
that basically represents 2 mature ruckmen. two juniors /developing ruckmen, plus mcbean and vickery as kp/2nd ruck options.
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6 trucks is overkill isn't it?
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Me if Arnot is named
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Me if Arnot is named
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G O L D!!
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There is no rucks worthy of first/second rounder unless a miracle happens.
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Official teams:
IN: A.Edwards, Dea
OUT: McGuane, Nahas
IN: A.Selwood, Embley
OUT: Dalziell, Brennan
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Official teams:
IN: A.Edwards, Dea
OUT: McGuane, Nahas
IN: A.Selwood, Embley
OUT: Dalziell, Brennan
Go Azza
:cheers
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Richmond team v West Coast
B: Morris, Rance, Houli
HB: Newman, Chaplin, Vlastuin
C: Grigg, Cotchin, Jackson
HF: Lonergan, S. Edwards, King
F: Vickery, Riewoldt, Martin
R: Maric, Deledio, Foley
IC: A. Edwards, White, Batchelor, Dea
Emerg: Astbury, Helbig, Arnot
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Cant believe Arnot wasn't selected.. Hope there is a late change.
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There is no rucks worthy of first/second rounder unless a miracle happens.
We have an interest in Scott Lycett at West Coast from what I know. We had a big interest in the past but this year our interest is more.
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There is no rucks worthy of first/second rounder unless a miracle happens.
We have an interest in Scott Lycett at West Coast from what I know. We had a big interest in the past but this year our interest is more.
Straight swap for Tross ?
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No Arnot no Astbury but.... Lonergan and Generation Y I don't care Grigg yeah no worries.
Subi is a big ground. Surely Jako won't kick any out on the full this week. :help
No Big O to help an unfit Maric either.
NicNat and Coxy by the length of the Flemington Straight.
Eagles by 6-8 goals.
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There is no rucks worthy of first/second rounder unless a miracle happens.
We have an interest in Scott Lycett at West Coast from what I know. We had a big interest in the past but this year our interest is more.
Straight swap for Tross ?
Dunno.
The only two things I know is what I heard
1) Sydney like Ben Griffiths
2) We have interest in Scott Lycett. This is renewed interest from what I heard because our recruiters liked him from before.
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Having Lonegan, White and Jackson all representing our midfield does not sit well for me. Dea is actually a goof inclusion and should work well playing off a wing. Selwoods back in the team to tag Lids.
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No Arnot = STAGGERING :banghead :banghead
Lonergan gets game when he doesn't deserve it, keeps his spot when he plays crap
Grigg continues to get gifted games, week after week
Gee we send positive messages to our young blokes these days don't we
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No Arnot = STAGGERING :banghead :banghead
Lonergan gets game when he doesn't deserve it, keeps his spot when he plays crap
Grigg continues to get gifted games, week after week
Gee we send positive messages to our young blokes these days don't we
Make a few changes to make it look like we are moving forward. Malakies
Token changes = token efforts= token finals appearances when they seldom happen.
RFC = token footy club.
Been through this tokenism through Walls, Gieschen, Spud and Plough.
RFC = Malakies
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think hardwick needs the bullet
he is fos
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Arnott must of been caught stuffing Hardwicks goat..... :help
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Official teams:
IN: A.Edwards, Dea
OUT: McGuane, Nahas
You've got to be stuffing kidding me.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Tucker's is 100% right.
Malakies!!!
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Arnot will get his chance when he cleans up his kicking and starts tackling instead of bumping. It will happen soon enough.
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Arnot will get his chance when he cleans up his kicking and starts tackling instead of bumping. It will happen soon enough.
Like Lonergan ......... :whistle
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Arnot will get his chance when he cleans up his kicking and starts tackling instead of bumping. It will happen soon enough.
Like Lonergan ......... :whistle
He has played one game for us WA Tiger, give the bloke a chance. Make your own judgement after you have seen him play for a while. Don't just listen to haters on here, some just like to bitch. And you seem to me to be better than that. :thumbsup
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Arnot will get his chance when he cleans up his kicking and starts tackling instead of bumping. It will happen soon enough.
Like Lonergan ......... :whistle
Like Grigg
Nahas
Lonergan
Hackson
Arnot :banghead :banghead The RFC have no idea at the moment what they are doing.
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Arnot will get his chance when he cleans up his kicking and starts tackling instead of bumping. It will happen soon enough.
Like Lonergan ......... :whistle
He has played one game for us WA Tiger, give the bloke a chance. Make your own judgement after you have seen him play for a while. Don't just listen to haters on here, some just like to bitch. And you seem to me to be better than that. :thumbsup
The depth has taken the place of the kids they were supposed to be relieving.
It's not Lonergan's fault he gets selected. I don't care what the names are of the 22 blokes who play in RFC next premiership.
Hardwick's calls are smacking of desperation atm.
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Yeah it's not looking good at all Tucker.
I can't believe he persists with the same old same old.
Desperation is the message I'm getting loud and clear from the RFC.
They want finals so bad they are losing sight of the bigger picture.
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Arnot will get his chance when he cleans up his kicking and starts tackling instead of bumping. It will happen soon enough.
Like Lonergan ......... :whistle
He has played one game for us WA Tiger, give the bloke a chance. Make your own judgement after you have seen him play for a while. Don't just listen to haters on here, some just like to bitch. And you seem to me to be better than that. :thumbsup
The depth has taken the place of the kids they were supposed to be relieving.
It's not Lonergan's fault he gets selected. I don't care what the names are of the 22 blokes who play in RFC next premiership.
Hardwick's calls are smacking of desperation atm.
Sadly I have to agree. Dimma lost patience but it will do to him what its done to every other Richmond coach of the last 30 years and that is destroy his coaching career. Its a shame, it started so well and he did ok for the first 18 months but now its completely of the rails. What a shame.
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What doesn't make sense to me is why bring in a midsized defender who often turns the ball over coming out of the backline when last week we were smashed in contested footy in the middle of the ground, couldn't tackle, and turned the ball over coming out of defence. Arnot disposal is inconsistent but he doesn't turn the footy over any more than Dea does. Dea's good can be very good but he makes too many goal costing clangers even at VFL level. Last time he was in the seniors he was totally lost out there in the backline. The two changes seem very defensive to me. Why not on the wide expanses of Subiaco bring the very agile 202cm McBean in who is regularly kicking 3-4 goals a week at Coburg and see if we can get a mismatch up forward. Dimma wants his players to be bold this week but the selection committee haven't been.
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Hard to argue with this logic.
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Dimma showed his hand with the recruitment of the older hacks in last years drafts. At the time I was suspicious but thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. No there is no doubt...
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Hard to argue with this logic.
Not hard to argue at all.
Dea was super last week at Coburg and has been all year. IMO when played for the Tigers a few weeks back he did ok. Not sure what people expect when a player like Dea comes in after playing at Coburg most of the year? 30 plus touches, 3 goals, what?
It gives me the shyts, when all people talk about is playing kids, well Dea is a kid and he is learning. Give him a chance FFS!! At least his gives his all and has a crack.
McBean will get his chance but it doesnt mean someone cannot.
Both players coming in have earnt their call up.
Cannot argue with that.
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Dimma showed his hand with the recruitment of the older hacks in last years drafts. At the time I was suspicious but thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. No there is no doubt...
Agree.Picks 79,90,102,110 would have been so much better. :lol :lol
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Have a bad feeling about this game, I sense this will be the defining moment as to whether we have improved as a team from last season. Our defensive structure worries me in that we try to zone off but either the tactic is flawed or we dont do it correctly but we constantly get opposition fowards in behind us with easy walk in goals. Watching the Swans last night they very rarely allow anyone to get behind their last defender. With the open expanses of Subi I think we might be cracked open big time.
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Dimma showed his hand with the recruitment of the older hacks in last years drafts. At the time I was suspicious but thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. No there is no doubt...
Agree.Picks 79,90,102,110 would have been so much better. :lol :lol
Richmond shouldnt be clogging its list with aged players from other clubs. Even if just 1 junior player had made it from 79, 90,102 or 110 then we would be in a much better position. The first thing we should do at the end of this year is delist alot of those who arrived from other clubs last year and then add Jackson, McGuane and Nahas to that list.
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Crazy Ivan - Its Interesting you should mention those picks and saying they wouldnt have produced anything. I wanted Sam Dwyer from Port Melbourne have for the last 2 years but anyway look at this -
Sam Colquhoun who I also liked and said so on here has already played senior footy this year was a PSD selection and if we hadnt of taken him we could have taken Jack Hannath who was also taken in the PSD and who has also made his senior debut. Then in the rookie draft Kyle Martin was available and he was taken pick 13 in the rookie draft and Sam Dwyer was taken pick 27 in the rookie draft. So there you go - we could have for example added
SColquhoun or J.Hannath
K.Martin
S.Dwyer
Thats 3 players who would have been much better for us than those we got from the other clubs - especially Martin and Dwyer had plenty to offer.
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What doesn't make sense to me is why bring in a midsized defender who often turns the ball over coming out of the backline when last week we were smashed in contested footy in the middle of the ground, couldn't tackle, and turned the ball over coming out of defence. Arnot disposal is inconsistent but he doesn't turn the footy over any more than Dea does. Dea's good can be very good but he makes too many goal costing clangers even at VFL level. Last time he was in the seniors he was totally lost out there in the backline. The two changes seem very defensive to me. Why not on the wide expanses of Subiaco bring the very agile 202cm McBean in who is regularly kicking 3-4 goals a week at Coburg and see if we can get a mismatch up forward. Dimma wants his players to be bold this week but the selection committee haven't been.
Mostly agree. Except don't believe in bringing in McBean. He has enormous talent but he needs to build up his body for senior footy. Should have brought in Arnot and Astbury. He should have rewarded them for their form at VFL level. We had an overly defensive team for the Essendon game and it appears the same for the West Coast game. We were criticized for going into our shells against the bombers it appears the selectors are doing the same.
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Crazy Ivan - Its Interesting you should mention those picks and saying they wouldnt have produced anything. I wanted Sam Dwyer from Port Melbourne have for the last 2 years but anyway look at this -
Sam Colquhoun who I also liked and said so on here has already played senior footy this year was a PSD selection and if we hadnt of taken him we could have taken Jack Hannath who was also taken in the PSD and who has also made his senior debut. Then in the rookie draft Kyle Martin was available and he was taken pick 13 in the rookie draft and Sam Dwyer was taken pick 27 in the rookie draft. So there you go - we could have for example added
SColquhoun or J.Hannath
K.Martin
S.Dwyer
Thats 3 players who would have been much better for us than those we got from the other clubs - especially Martin and Dwyer had plenty to offer.
Thats all well and good,But i think its an over reaction to last weeks loss more than anything else.Sam Dwyer looks good atm but so did Grigg in his first full year with us until sides have worked him out.The only recycle i have issue with is Arron Edwards.The Big O i have no problem with,You mentioned Hannah but you forget to mention Mcbean[yes i know a few years off],Lonergan is logical as well considering the question mark over Foley and geez he's played one game with us give him a chance.Knights was starting to find form before he did his knee.And rememeber we have Conca and Ellis out.
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Lonergan far from logical. Pure list clogger.
Hinders the development of your helbig / arnot / idea types
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Dimma showed his hand with the recruitment of the older hacks in last years drafts. At the time I was suspicious but thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. No there is no doubt...
Agree.Picks 79,90,102,110 would have been so much better. :lol :lol
Hannath and Dwyer at a quick look.
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Ahh got to love the old hindsight recruiters, pure class
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Dwyer has been known to be a Barlow type for yonks.
Lonergsn has been rubbish for a long time too
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Grigg continues to get gifted games, week after week
This is one game where I can handle the Grigg inclusion, big ground and a few injuries.
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Dwyer has been known to be a Barlow type for yonks.
Lonergsn has been rubbish for a long time too
Reminds me nothing of Barlow
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Crazy Ivan - Its Interesting you should mention those picks and saying they wouldnt have produced anything. I wanted Sam Dwyer from Port Melbourne have for the last 2 years but anyway look at this -
Sam Colquhoun who I also liked and said so on here has already played senior footy this year was a PSD selection and if we hadnt of taken him we could have taken Jack Hannath who was also taken in the PSD and who has also made his senior debut. Then in the rookie draft Kyle Martin was available and he was taken pick 13 in the rookie draft and Sam Dwyer was taken pick 27 in the rookie draft. So there you go - we could have for example added
SColquhoun or J.Hannath
K.Martin
S.Dwyer
Thats 3 players who would have been much better for us than those we got from the other clubs - especially Martin and Dwyer had plenty to offer.
some of those i had some real barnys over.
i still think we richmond, and most other clubs fail to recognise and utilise good state leaugue players cheaply.
have always said you onlly need make them meet some simple requirements.
1. target those players who finsish high in b&fs both club and state, target only players who have the right attributes to play afl. ie pace footskills smarts andregularly dominate. imo it is true if you cant dominate at vll or state league level how can you dominate at afl level.
thig is there a re plenty who have regularly dominated at state league with all the right attributes and they invariable when given a chance at afl go on to make a good fist of it.
of course common sense has to be used. an example beware the big bodied player who thru sheer size wins plenty of ball but is as slow as a wet wick. lack of pace and average skills may be compensated for at the lower level, but the strengths wont cut it ie size and strength wont cut it at afl level because they are all strong and they are all quicker.
if we target players from other clubs on the cheap target those who are being denied a game because of the lack of opportunity due to proven better performed players geting a game in front of them
i can think of three players at wce alone and ive mentioned this before sinclair and lycett both ruckmen are going to struggle to get a game in front cox and naitanui. lets get in their ear.
they have a rookie tall forward in jeremy mcgovern he has to get past darling kennedy and the ruckmen to get a game. lets get in his ear.
last yr i was hoping we would have a go at norths aaron black he was behind hansen tarrant and petrie we should be going hard at these types offering good money and a guarantee of a game.
if we want quality and insist on useing a first rnd pick lets go and get a player who fills a definate need and who will give us long term service. some one like james frawley just 24 this yr ticked over just 100 games and is about to enter his prime. man we would shore our defense up for yrs with a bloke like him.
its not hard and it is disappointing to see us continually struggle in the critical areas of list management and recruiting.
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What doesn't make sense to me is why bring in a midsized defender who often turns the ball over coming out of the backline when last week we were smashed in contested footy in the middle of the ground, couldn't tackle, and turned the ball over coming out of defence. Arnot disposal is inconsistent but he doesn't turn the footy over any more than Dea does. Dea's good can be very good but he makes too many goal costing clangers even at VFL level. Last time he was in the seniors he was totally lost out there in the backline. The two changes seem very defensive to me. Why not on the wide expanses of Subiaco bring the very agile 202cm McBean in who is regularly kicking 3-4 goals a week at Coburg and see if we can get a mismatch up forward. Dimma wants his players to be bold this week but the selection committee haven't been.
Mostly agree. Except don't believe in bringing in McBean. He has enormous talent but he needs to build up his body for senior footy. Should have brought in Arnot and Astbury. He should have rewarded them for their form at VFL level. We had an overly defensive team for the Essendon game and it appears the same for the West Coast game. We were criticized for going into our shells against the bombers it appears the selectors are doing the same.
I don't disagree McBean still needs to build up his body but he is already playing against men at VFL level and is in the top 10 goalkickers this year with 19 goals from 7 games. The thing to note is this has been achieved when he is often getting terrible delivery from the woeful Coburg midfield and it's only his amazing agility and ground level work for a guy who is 202cm tall that turns nothing into goals. He's not just a mark and kick leading forward and unlike at Coburg he would've been played as a 3rd tall which means his opponent would be only the 3rd best defender and most likely create a mismatch in a favour. You could argue he's a better crumber of a goal than our small forwards (whom most have no idea about being front and square ::) ). IMO sometimes a coach has just got to back talent when it is staring you right in the face irrespective of age.
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McIntosh has replace Arnot as an emergency.
McIntosh on standby for Richmond
Sportal
Last Updated 03/06/2013
Western Australian recruit Kamdyn McIntosh is on standby for Richmond's Monday night blockbuster against West Coast at Patersons Stadium, after the teenager was added to the emergency list.
McIntosh came into the emergencies list at the expense of Matthew Arnot (injured) on Sunday afternoon, and the versatile defender could be a late inclusion into the Tigers' 22 to help counter the Eagles' tall timber up forward.
The former Peel Thunder backman was drafted with pick 31 in last year's National Draft.
Given McIntosh's curious late inclusion in the emergency list casts doubt over the likes of Brett Deledio and Jake Batchelor, with the pair both incurring knee injuries in last week's loss to Essendon but both were named to play against West Coast.
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/mcintosh-on-standby-for-richmond-237957
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Arnot played for Coburg yet has injury :huh
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West Coast v Richmond at Patersons Stadium, 5.40pm
NO LATE CHANGES
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-02/final-teams
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Ahh got to love the old hindsight recruiters, pure class
And you show again your lack of class.
Your post about hindsight recruiters is not true and it's proved by simply applying a search function as I have done here
i have to ask why not moloney or kyle martin or sam dwyer did you lot even look at em.
82 i wanted jack hannath, delisting white. i wanted a pick in the 50s and would have taken hannath there.
100 i wanted kyle martin but with colquhoun still there had to take a punt on him rated him a top 30 nd pick. delisting mcguane.
psd
we didnt use it. its well known i was keen on kyle martin thats an equivalant rookie pick.
rookies
sam lonergan has a lot of faults and is the exact sort of type as far as skills go that we have spent 4 yrs largely delisting. sam dwyer for me have been on about him for awhile. is probably the best performed vfl for several yrs now.
That's an edit of the post from claw dated December 13, that you didn't bother to look for before accusing him of "hindsight" recruiting.
Since I've now provided the proof of your lie about claw's hindsight recruiting, I expect to see your apology to him.
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Pigs ass I'm apologising, anyway since we won we won't see the sad sack around to we lose again
Why don't u go join him and keep him company in this sad time
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Oh my!
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LOL wtf is going on now