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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: {X} on October 12, 2007, 01:31:24 PM
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gut feeling cale is on the way
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
We'll take Cotchin.
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
Why do you say that?
I think we rate Morton in the top 3.
We still think Cotchin is 2 according to most radio station presenters, only callers keep whinging about Cale @ 2.
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
We'll take Cotchin.
Let's hope so FFV :pray but when it comes to RFC's recruiting anything is possible.
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
Why do you say that?
I think we rate Morton in the top 3.
We still think Cotchin is 2 according to most radio station presenters, only callers keep whinging about Cale @ 2.
Yep we do rate Morton in the top 3 along with Kreuzer and Cotchin. Most clubs though only have a top 2 of Kreuzer and Cotchin. The Eagles want Cotchin if they can get him.
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
Why do you say that?
I think we rate Morton in the top 3.
We still think Cotchin is 2 according to most radio station presenters, only callers keep whinging about Cale @ 2.
Yep we do rate Morton in the top 3 along with Kreuzer and Cotchin. Most clubs though only have a top 2 of Kreuzer and Cotchin. The Eagles want Cotchin if they can get him.
Cotchin and a tall, maybe Sullivan or Gourdis would make it more bearable that we only have 2 top 50 picks. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
Why do you say that?
I think we rate Morton in the top 3.
We still think Cotchin is 2 according to most radio station presenters, only callers keep whinging about Cale @ 2.
Yep we do rate Morton in the top 3 along with Kreuzer and Cotchin. Most clubs though only have a top 2 of Kreuzer and Cotchin. The Eagles want Cotchin if they can get him.
Cotchin and a tall, maybe Sullivan or Gourdis would make it more bearable that we only have 2 top 50 picks. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Tayte Pears, Bluey??
Or you dont think he'll last until then?
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
Why do you say that?
I think we rate Morton in the top 3.
We still think Cotchin is 2 according to most radio station presenters, only callers keep whinging about Cale @ 2.
Yep we do rate Morton in the top 3 along with Kreuzer and Cotchin. Most clubs though only have a top 2 of Kreuzer and Cotchin. The Eagles want Cotchin if they can get him.
Cotchin and a tall, maybe Sullivan or Gourdis would make it more bearable that we only have 2 top 50 picks. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Tayte Pears, Bluey??
Or you dont think he'll last until then?
pears is an athletic type defender --> we already have thursty and mcguane who would play the defensive role he would so i'm not too keen on him. Rance on the other hand is the full-blooded key defender we need. Would be awesome to grab him but don't see him falling that far.
Gourdis as a strong marking and athletic key forward would be our best hope then seeing as we need more height
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We're the only club that rates Cale Morton in the top 2 ::)
Why do you say that?
I think we rate Morton in the top 3.
We still think Cotchin is 2 according to most radio station presenters, only callers keep whinging about Cale @ 2.
Yep we do rate Morton in the top 3 along with Kreuzer and Cotchin. Most clubs though only have a top 2 of Kreuzer and Cotchin. The Eagles want Cotchin if they can get him.
Cotchin and a tall, maybe Sullivan or Gourdis would make it more bearable that we only have 2 top 50 picks. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Tayte Pears, Bluey??
Or you dont think he'll last until then?
pears is an athletic type defender --> we already have thursty and mcguane who would play the defensive role he would so i'm not too keen on him. Rance on the other hand is the full-blooded key defender we need. Would be awesome to grab him but don't see him falling that far.
Gourdis as a strong marking and athletic key forward would be our best hope then seeing as we need more height
Naa I doubt Rance would but looking at stats and that all I can do I cant see the difference between Rance and Pears considering Pears is listed as shorter but heavier.
However if we got Gourdis @ 18 we could well and truly get rid of this forward Polak fantasy and make him the KP backman he should be while Gourdis learns the trade of a forward from a pocket making the most of his pace before baulking up more to replace Richo.
Its all so easy in theory. :rollin
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looked at all kruezers stats in the draft camp, must say for a no1 pick not that impressive. according to test results , he is not a standout and m,orton and gourdis showed alot more.
cotchin, well we dont know, he was injured
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cotchin morton debate is interesting
1. cotchin played alot of school footy and that needs to be considered, didnt play alot at TAC level
2. cotchin had a poor carnival
3. cotchin didnt test at draft camp.
4. morton had an oustanding carnival
5. morton made his senior debut in the WAFL during the year.
6. morton tested great in draft camp esp. Beep test.
Im not saying morton is better than cotchin just saying theres more to the debate than alot of people think.
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looked at all kruezers stats in the draft camp, must say for a no1 pick not that impressive. according to test results , he is not a standout and m,orton and gourdis showed alot more.
cotchin, well we dont know, he was injured
You kidding ???
Top 10 3km, 14.2 beep test — at 199cms that isn't too bad!!
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Cotchin vs C.Morton discussion thread thanks to Ramps ;)
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Tigers clarify Mitch deal
12:58 PM Fri 12 October, 2007
Tony Greenberg
for richmondfc.com.au
Richmond’s recruiting of talented West Coast youngster Mitch Morton in this week’s trade period in no way impacts on its plans for the upcoming National Draft.
There has been considerable speculation since the Tigers starting chasing Mitch that they also intended to select his highly-rated younger brother, Cale, with the No. 2 pick in the November Draft.
But Richmond’s Director of Football, Greg Miller, has declared that the Mitch Morton trade deal is not connected with an overall strategy to unite the brothers at Punt Road.
“In response to the numerous emails I have received about this, and all the rumors that have been circulating, I can categorically state that Mitch was courted on his own. Cale was not discussed in our negotiations with Mitch, and nor should he have been,” Miller said.
“When you’re recruiting a player of Mitch’s calibre, the focus and attention needs to be on him, which it certainly was.
“What happens in the draft happens in the draft, but this deal had absolutely nothing at all to do with trying to get the two brothers together.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52431
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looked at all kruezers stats in the draft camp, must say for a no1 pick not that impressive. according to test results , he is not a standout and m,orton and gourdis showed alot more.
cotchin, well we dont know, he was injured
You kidding ???
Top 10 3km, 14.2 beep test — at 199cms that isn't too bad!!
thats all he did really well in, that does not mean u r no1 pick just on that result
morton did better in teh beep test and out scored kruezer in many other tests
im going to go with my initial instivnt and think we will get cale over cotchin cos cale morton has more strings to his bow
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kruezer shows gr8 endurance, well we have patto with a hige tank and gr8 endurance also. and patto wasnt no1 pick
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True Ramps there's more to the debate but just in Cotchin's defence.
1. cotchin played alot of school footy and that needs to be considered, didnt play alot at TAC level
Played just 5 games for the Northern Knights and still finished 5th in their B&F behind Kreuzer. IIRC he polled 3 or 4 BOGs.
2. cotchin had a poor carnival
He was carrying a shoulder and knee niggle into the champs. That's why he played across the HB line. He still showed his superior foot skills though.
3. cotchin didnt test at draft camp.
A proper recruiter would go more on what these kids did during games throughout the year rather than draft camp results. The camp results come in handy when two kids are seen to be very even. The camp also gives clubs a chance to talk to these kids one-on-one to see how they think and tick.
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Cotchin for mine and according to the poll it appears many others think the same.
What style of current AFL player could we compare Cotchin and Cale Morton to? Does anyone have any stats on Cale Morton?
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Cotchin for mine and according to the poll it appears many others think the same.
What style of current AFL player could we compare Cotchin and Cale Morton to? Does anyone have any stats on Cale Morton?
Depends on who you ask. Some slight exaggeration by some people ;).
Cotchin - Ablett jnr/ Murphy / Lids
Cale Morton - Embley / Kouta
Trent Cotchin's stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262046 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262046)
Cale Morton's stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Cale%20Morton&action=PSTATS&pID=186147478&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374300 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Cale%20Morton&action=PSTATS&pID=186147478&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374300)
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Cotchin for mine and according to the poll it appears many others think the same.
What style of current AFL player could we compare Cotchin and Cale Morton to? Does anyone have any stats on Cale Morton?
Depends on who you ask. Some slight exaggeration by some people ;).
Cotchin - Ablett jnr/ Murphy / Lids
Cale Morton - Embley / Kouta
Trent Cotchin's stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262046 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Trent%20Cotchin&action=PSTATS&pID=143804335&client=1-3020-0-52873-5262046)
Cale Morton's stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Cale%20Morton&action=PSTATS&pID=186147478&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374300 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Cale%20Morton&action=PSTATS&pID=186147478&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374300)
weaver uses the g ablett jnr mould and he would prob be the most qualified on the topic so i'd go with that.
from what i have seen shows some g ablett qualities like the ability to hold his feet in a tackle and be slippery in congestion. But i liken him more to lids for his game style as he is that forward/midfield hybrid.
either way we are getting a gun player, but cotchin just for me
just a bloody crying shame we handed over some many picks. :banghead
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Please let it be Cotchin. :pray
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have a gut feeling we will be calling out Cale's name, but if there is a god
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please get Cotchin !!!
though like many other people ... i think Morton's chances to come to us have increased !!!
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i would be happy with either, only want cotchin to shove it up wce cos they were soft duringtrade week, but now we kbnow it was not their fault and that carlton are idiots
i just have a gut feeling that cale has more upside, and will bulk up and be a handier player with more strings to his bow that trent
just a gut feeling
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i would be happy with either, only want cotchin to shove it up wce cos they were soft duringtrade week, but now we kbnow it was not their fault and that carlton are idiots
i just have a gut feeling that cale has more upside, and will bulk up and be a handier player with more strings to his bow that trent
just a gut feeling
I think we will pick up Cale but Trent will be an option in a couple of years when he is ready to come home.
;)
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small over tall
Fiora over Pavlich
Tambling over Franklin
are we destined to do it three times???
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small over tall
Fiora over Pavlich
Tambling over Franklin
are we destined to do it three times???
Fraser, Haselby, Fiora over Pavlich
Deledio, Roughead, Griffen, Tambling over Franklin
Hindsight - 100% accurate
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small over tall
Fiora over Pavlich
Tambling over Franklin
are we destined to do it three times???
Franklin was 196cm and 90kg when he started (he's now 99kg) and Pavlich while "only" 191-192cm tall weighs 98-100kg. Morton has put on 4-5kgs this year but still weighs only 79kg. He's a tall midfielder rather than key forward like Buddy or Pav.
Hodge and Judd went before Polak (who still may turn out good long term) and Didak went before Livingstone and MacDougal. No one says these were a mistake regarding taking a small ahead of a tall.
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Richmond denies sweetheart deal with West Coast
Sunday Herald | Jon Ralph | October 14, 2007 12:00am
RICHMOND has denied striking a sweetheart deal with West Coast that would see the Tigers overlook star junior midfielder Trent Cotchin because of this week's deal for Eagle Mitch Morton.
Victorian Cotchin is primed to make an immediate impact in the AFL next year with talk he could even be Carlton's first pick of the draft.
But with Morton now at the Tigers, there had been speculation Richmond had made an assurance it would take his brother Cale in the national draft with pick two.
That would free up the Eagles to take Cotchin, but Richmond football director Greg Miller said there had been no assurances made in the deal to secure Morton for pick 35.
He said there had been no collusion with the Eagles over players in the national draft.
"No, it's not true at all," Miller said.
"We dealt with the West Coast on two separate issues. One was Chris Judd and one was Mitch Morton. They were separate. We missed out on Chris Judd. Good luck to Carlton, but we gave it our best shot as a club, so we were pleased." he said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22582671-11088,00.html
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what a waste of space, that article provided no info what so ever
so greg who are we taking?
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what a waste of space, that article provided no info what so ever
so greg who are we taking?
We'll find out Nov 24 :-\
Miller didn't say much either on 3aw except reiterating that Kreuzer, Cotchin and Morton were the top 3.
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getting the truth from miller is like getting the truth from John Howard. save your breath i reckon
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what a waste of space, that article provided no info what so ever
so greg who are we taking?
Wonderboy, Jim Boogie is gonna finally be the surprise selection of the RFC.
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very early days
but at this stage I think we will take morton
At his height 192 cm he could be a great player, having said that, cothcin could be gary ablett jnr
its alla bout list management, cothcin is not a pure inside midfielder, onballer at this stage, gettting morton will allow us to go best available at 18, 51. I believe an genuine hard nut, will be taken at that pick !
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very early days
but at this stage I think we will take morton
At his height 192 cm he could be a great player, having said that, cothcin could be gary ablett jnr
its alla bout list management, cothcin is not a pure inside midfielder, onballer at this stage, gettting morton will allow us to go best available at 18, 51. I believe an genuine hard nut, will be taken at that pick !
thats the way i would go
there are whispers that the blues had an agreement with the tigers. whispers say that the blues promised teh tigers kruezer if they stayed away from the judd deal and didnt press to hard 4 him
imo, these whispers are fos, but u never know
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On the RFC site, Miller has said the club had settled on its preferred players in the National Draft. Make of that what you will.
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very early days
but at this stage I think we will take morton
At his height 192 cm he could be a great player, having said that, cothcin could be gary ablett jnr
its alla bout list management, cothcin is not a pure inside midfielder, onballer at this stage, gettting morton will allow us to go best available at 18, 51. I believe an genuine hard nut, will be taken at that pick !
But what will this genuine hardnut's skill level be like waiting until pick 18?
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very early days
but at this stage I think we will take morton
At his height 192 cm he could be a great player, having said that, cothcin could be gary ablett jnr
its alla bout list management, cothcin is not a pure inside midfielder, onballer at this stage, gettting morton will allow us to go best available at 18, 51. I believe an genuine hard nut, will be taken at that pick !
thats the way i would go
there are whispers that the blues had an agreement with the tigers. whispers say that the blues promised teh tigers kruezer if they stayed away from the judd deal and didnt press to hard 4 him
imo, these whispers are fos, but u never know
I would not trust Carlton as far as I could kick them.
and with pick 1 in the draft what's to say they tell us one thing and select Kreuzer at 1.
Carlscum have Ackland on a 3yr deal :lol :whistle
Says alot. The Blues are getting Kruezer there is no two ways about it.
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I would not trust Carlton as far as I could kick them.
and with pick 1 in the draft what's to say they tell us one thing and select Kreuzer at 1.
Carlscum have Ackland on a 3yr deal :lol :whistle
Says alot. The Blues are getting Kruezer there is no two ways about it.
Agree HT74.
We were the same with Lids. We didn't tell him until the night before the draft but were always going to select him at pick 1.
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i never said i believe the whispers, just letting you guys know what i heard.
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On the RFC site, Miller has said the club had settled on its preferred players in the National Draft. Make of that what you will.
I hope Francis Jackson and only Francis Jackson has picked what he thinks are the best players. :pray
I was pleased with his efforts last year.
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Some brief vision of Cotchin playing for the Northern Knights was shown on ACA. Please RFC :pray.
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Cotchin's dad would be even more anxious for him not to go to West Coast now.
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Cotchin's dad would be even more anxious for him not to go to West Coast now.
He'll be praying Trent is picked up by us.
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Perhaps we should take both Morton and Cotchin, just to do our community duty. It's putting ourselves out a bit I know, but sacrifices have to be made in these troubled times, and we do have a reputation as a community minded club. I'm sure we would recover pretty quickly from the inconvenience. Perhaps a letter to the AFL and West Coast may be in order, I'm sure both parties would appreciate the offer. We all want to protect the youth of today after all.
:)
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Do the delistings today give any more clues as to who we'll select with pick 2? We've delisted so far 3 smalls/mids, 1 utility, 3 talls and a ruckman.
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Herald-Sun and Greg Swann both expect us to select Cotchin
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Ticking all the right boxes
17 November 2007 Herald Sun
Daryl Timms
One of those was Kreuzer's teammate Trent Cotchin. Cotchin broke an ankle during the TAC finals, but will be taken very early in the draft.
West Coast would want him with the No. 3 pick it received from Carlton as part of the Chris Judd swap, but Richmond is expected to take him with the No. 2 selection.
Richmond said it would be wrong to assume that just because it secured Mitch Morton from West Coast during the trade period that it would choose his younger brother Cale, who won the Larke Medal for the best player at the national under-18 championships this year.
Other clubs say the Tigers would be mad not to go for Cotchin, a talented midfielder, leaving Morton for the Eagles.
Link. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22771131%255E20322,00.html)
IT'S come down to a sexy choice between Matthew Kreuzer and Trent Cotchin.
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann confirmed last night it was a race in two for the No. 1 national draft position.
"Someone used the analogy that it's Megan Gale versus Jennifer Hawkins -- and you wouldn't mind if you got No. 1 or No. 2," he said.
Swann said he would be surprised if both Cotchin and Kreuzer weren't up to playing in Round 1 next year.
Swann described Cotchin as a "classic midfielder" ...
Link (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22773229%255E20322,00.html)
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I think we are right in the box seat, Cotchins old man doesnt want his boy at the eagles and one of the Mortons is already at Richmond. Whoever we pick, we will have a good chance at picking up the other one 2 years down the track. Whilst I have been on the Morton bandwagon, I get the feeling that Cotchin will be the one selected by us.
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I think we are right in the box seat, Cotchins old man doesnt want his boy at the eagles and one of the Mortons is already at Richmond. Whoever we pick, we will have a good chance at picking up the other one 2 years down the track. Whilst I have been on the Morton bandwagon, I get the feeling that Cotchin will be the one selected by us.
im the reverse, am on the cotchin bandwagon but feel that morton will be selected lol
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Save Cotchin from West Coast.
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Save Danny Meyer ;D
Save Richmond!
:clapping :clapping :lol
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im the reverse, am on the cotchin bandwagon but feel that morton will be selected lol
Same here bluey. Morton is the type Plough and Miller like :-\ even though basically every other club has said Cotchin would be their choice after Kreuzer.
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cotchin boys all the way. He is a ready made midfielder
morton we may just pick up in a few years
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morton we may just pick up in a few years
hows that?
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Age's Emma Quayle's view of Cotchin and Cale Morton:
1. Trent Cotchin
(Northern Knights. 17, 185cm, 80kg) Of all the players I've seen this season, Cotchin is the one who most screams: "star".
He has skills on both sides of his body, speed, and he's a real ducker and weaver (think Gary Ablett junior) who can kick goals and exert huge infl uence on how a game turns out.
Some have questioned his endurance, but Vo2max testing shows he has the capacity to run hard enough to play as a true onballer.
At 17, he's only just eligible for this year's draft but extremely driven.
What nudges him ahead of Matthew Kreuzer, Cale Morton and David Myers is the fact it is slightly clearer where he will play and what sort of player he'll be.
3. Cale Morton
(Claremont. 17, 192cm, 79kg) Plenty of clubs would take the third Morton brother if they had the No. 1 pick.
Others dropped away after his fi nals series, where he was subjected to some close opposition attention.
Morton boasts elite skills, especially for his size, and his running power.
He's a true utility and he has all the attributes to thrive in today's precise, uncontested game.
Link. (http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/general/draft-day-is-like-christmas-for-16-afl-clubs/2007/11/17/1194767026939.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1)
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The Sunday Herald-Sun has us taking Cotchin with the Dees getting Cale Morton.
CARLTON will confirm at a meeting of club staff and board members that it will take Matthew Kreuzer at pick one, but will not publicly announce its decision until draft day.
HIGHLY rated youngster Cale Morton, touted as West Coast's replacement for Chris Judd at pick three, is likely to slip down to Melbourne at pick four.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22776680%255E19742,00.html
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The Sunday Herald-Sun has us taking Cotchin with the Dees getting Cale Morton.
CARLTON will confirm at a meeting of club staff and board members that it will take Matthew Kreuzer at pick one, but will not publicly announce its decision until draft day.
HIGHLY rated youngster Cale Morton, touted as West Coast's replacement for Chris Judd at pick three, is likely to slip down to Melbourne at pick four.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22776680%255E19742,00.html
That'd work well, all three Morton's in Melbourne, we get Cotchin, everyone's happy.
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after reading emma quayle's article i'm relieved that i'm not the only one who rates cotchin ahead of kreuzer. saying that if both were available the kreuze would still be the one i take due to the fact he is a ruckman which is the position we need the most depth in
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morton we may just pick up in a few years
hows that?
maybe a bit enthusiastic on my part but i meant to say is perhaps down the track he may want to come to punt road because his brother is already here.
who knows
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morton we may just pick up in a few years
hows that?
maybe a bit enthusiastic on my part but i meant to say is perhaps down the track he may want to come to punt road because his brother is already here.
who knows
then you could make the same case for him going to hawthorn
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yeah same goes for them.
just a bit of wishful thinking on my behalf
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after reading emma quayle's article i'm relieved that i'm not the only one who rates cotchin ahead of kreuzer. saying that if both were available the kreuze would still be the one i take due to the fact he is a ruckman which is the position we need the most depth in
We're both on the Cotchin bandwagon bluey :thumbsup. Well the media is saying Carlton are going to confirm Kreuzer is their choice so Cotchin will be ours if we want him :pray.