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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on June 15, 2004, 11:09:36 PM
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Hutchy just mentioned on Talking Footy that Tuck will play this week. About time!
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Here,hear!
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Music to this old girl's ears - fresh meat ;D
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Is he a bit of a spunk froars?
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Have no idea Julz - but if he looks like his dad, nup lol.
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Ladies,
Check out this link and click on Shane's name and you can judge for yourselves ;)
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/club.htm#players
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Oh dear!
Well, maybe he can play footy ;D
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Give me Richo any day ;)
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Hopefully a couple of others will get a go this week too............nothing to lose now.......except to bloody Carlton of course! ::)
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I just hope that dud frawley realises that the young guys need time on the ground and not 3 quarters on the bench.
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tucky will have to wait for a few more weeks unfortunately ???
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Tigers tab Tuck
2:20:08 PM Mon 28 June, 2004
Sportal
Richmond has confirmed that Shane Tuck will make his debut for the club at the Gabba on Saturday night against the Brisbane Lions.
Tuck, 22, joined the club from West Adelaide with the 73rd selection overall at last year’s National AFL Draft. He has been a solid VFL performer for Coburg throughout 2004 and had 22 possessions in a loss to North Ballarat on Saturday.
He is the son of Michael Tuck, the AFL/VFL record games holder, who played 426 games for Hawthorn between 1972 and 1991.
Shane Tuck was a rookie listed player at Hawthorn in 2001 and 2002, but struggled because of injury.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=157123
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Frawley's words special to Tuck
29 June 2004 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett
DANNY Frawley left many of his players disappointed with his words yesterday, but he also gave one player the best football information he had ever heard.
On the day he announced his own football journey was nearing an end, Frawley told Shane Tuck his AFL career would begin this Saturday.
Tuck, son of AFL games record holder Michael (426), publicly appreciated the risk taken by Frawley in last year's National Draft.
"I want to thank him for the opportunity, for drafting me at 21, which was a big call," said the now 22-year-old, who was unable to convince selectors at his father's club, Hawthorn, that he had the ability to play at the top level.
Tuck was unfortunate the Tigers asked him to speak to the media just minutes after Frawley had announced his resignation as coach, as he was forced to face dozens of journalists.
"I didn't know it was going to be this big, to be honest," he said.
Tuck said Frawley approached him in the Tigers' changerooms before training yesterday.
"He just said to me, `Welcome to the AFL,' and shook my hand," Tuck said. "I'm really excited about having a crack at it."
That his AFL chance will come at Richmond, against Brisbane at the Gabba, and not with Hawthorn was a positive, Tuck said.
"It was probably a good thing to be away from Hawthorn," he said.
"You walk down the hallway (at Glenferrie) and your old man is in every premiership photo and stuff and it is good to come to a new place and get a fresh start."
Tuck said his football idol was his uncle, Gary Ablett. "I used to love watching him play," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9983259%255E19771,00.html
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No tougher way for Tuck to earn stripes
03 July 2004
Herald Sun
Michael Horan
THERE could be no tougher initiation in the AFL for Shane Tuck than to make his debut at the Gabba against the Brisbane Lions.
That's cool, the 22-year-old midfielder knows all about tough; the fact he has made it this far is testimony.
The Richmond debutant's journey began on the Hawthorn rookie list, being the son of AFL Hall Of Fame member Michael Tuck, whose 426 games for the Hawks remains a league record.
An injury-hit time at Glenferrie meant there would be no next generation Tuck in the brown and gold, and when Shane went back to the 'burbs for a season with Carrum Downs, it appeared there would be no AFL career.
But after having a crack in the SANFL last year where he became a prime mover of West Adelaide's grand final side, the Tigers picked up Shane in the seventh round of the national draft, 73rd pick overall.
That long, difficult journey became worthwhile when 188cm Shane was named for the Tigers' clash against the Lions at the Gabba tonight.
"First and foremost you have to say he's Shane Tuck, he's not his father," coach Danny Frawley said yesterday, mindful the hard-at-it onballer would again face inevitable comparisons with his famous Dad.
"His form in the VFL has been really courageous, he puts his head over the ball and he loves to take the opposition on. He'll make a few mistakes, I hope he does, that means he's getting near the leather."
Through his extraordinary 19-year career, Michael was notoriously media shy and nothing has changed. When asked about Shane yesterday, Michael had no interest in offering insights, comparisons or having his say.
"I don't know. I'll leave that up to the experts," Michael said when asked if he could see any of his own game in Shane.
"I really don't want to get involved in any of that."
Of course, like any proud father, Michael will be there to see his boy's debut.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10022923%255E19771,00.html
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Tuck wheel keeps turning
Stephen Rielly
The Age
May 7, 2005
Shane Tuck’s AFL career faltered under the shadow of his legendary father. But at a new club, in the spotlight of the centre square,Tuck has found the space to shine, writes Stephen Rielly.
For a long time, people knew who Shane Tuck was, but as a footballer, not what he is: a midfielder equipped with an armourpiercing hit and a gift for spiriting — some would say wrenching — a ball free from the modern maelstrom of bodies and wills otherwise known as the midfield stoppage.
That discovery was made two years ago by Shaun Rehn and, like a prospector remembering the day a nugget appeared in his pan, he enjoys the memory of his find.
The former Adelaide and Hawthorn ruckman, who was then embarking on his career as coach of West Adelaide, thought of Tuck as a likely flanker, either back or forward, much as everyone else had to that point.
The two had crossed paths at Hawthorn in 2001, the first of Rehn’s two seasons at Glenferrie and the last of Tuck’s two years on the club’s rookie list.
He had liked Tuck’s intensity and was not discouraged by the young man’s decision to effectively drop out of the football system in 2002 after being delisted by the Hawks. Rehn was new to coaching but wise to the football practice of passing unforgiving and often hurried judgements on young players.
Tuck had been wayward and physically frail in his time at Hawthorn but Rehn did not believe that this would necessarily always be the case.
“When he first got over here (West Adelaide), I didn’t know where to fit him in. There were probably half-a-dozen positions we thought his physique could allow him to play,” Rehn says.
“He’s 6’3 (188cm), he’s quick and good overhead, and my initial thought was a flank. But a niggle interrupted his training and when we decided to bring him back through the reserves he asked for a run in the guts.
“In that one game in the middle, it stood out that he was taller than his opponents and his ability to win the contested ball was as good as we’d ever seen. My assistants came in after watching the game and said, ‘We’ve got a league player out here.’
“From that point on, we played him as a ruck-rover and at his height and speed, his opponents found it hard to pin his arms and tackle him and he was also excellent as a third man up in a stoppage. From there, it was whether he would get an AFL opportunity. He did easily well enough to get drafted, it was whether someone would pick him.
“I pushed up for him with everybody, but I think most people thought of him as being something other than an onballer, which is what we’d discovered he was.”
It was the start of a brilliant year for Tuck, Rehn and West Adelaide. By its end, Tuck, at 22, had been re-drafted into the AFL by Richmond and Rehn had narrowly failed to become a premiership coach in his first season.
Tuck’s father, Michael, believes the experience meant more to his son than simply being re-drafted.
“Shaun got him over there and turned his life right around,” the AFL’s games recordholder said this week. “He gave him another chance to play, but Shane also came back a stronger person.”
Tuck had not been physically able to grasp the opportunity offered to him by Hawthorn. He hurt an ankle in an after-hours folly, required treatment for a heart irregularity and for a long time battled the groin complaint osteitis pubis.
As Donald McDonald, then coach of Hawthorn’s VFL affiliate Box Hill, says: “It was his physical state. We were all rapt in his potential but he just couldn’t get to the line. The question had to be asked: Would his body allow him to play?”
Unable to take the field regularly, it was also true that Tuck was not emotionally equipped for a challenge, which was complicated in the Glenferrie environment.
His father’s greatness preceded him everywhere, so much so that at times he felt he was allowed to contribute little to whatever reputation he had. A question nagged and, in his father’s opinion, contributed to his son’s departure from Hawthorn.
Young Tuck often wondered, apparently, whether he was anything more than an ambassador for the memory of the man who played 426 matches for Hawthorn, won seven premierships and gives his name to the medal awarded to the best player in the preseason competition grand final.
Tuck told Richmond upon his arrival that it was “probably a good thing” to be away from Hawthorn.
“You walk down the hallway and your old man’s in every premiership photo,” he said.
“It’s good to come to a new place and a fresh start.” Tuck senior agrees, even if he had at first enjoyed the idea of his son donning gold and brown.
“I think it was a burden,” Michael says. “Everywhere he went, people would ask him about his old man. At Hawthorn, he reckons he was always walking past a big picture of me on the wall.
"I've always said to him that he's Shane Tuck, not Michael Tuck, but some can handle that pressure and some can't. Some need to take their own time to work through all of that. The best part about playing at Richmond is that it's his own career. He's Shane Tuck of Richmond, which is good for him . . ."
Good, too, for Richmond and Terry Wallace, who were, until two months or so ago, still to make the discovery Rehn had made two years earlier. Tuck went perilously close to being cut at the end of last season, in which he had played only three games, none on the ball. The midfielder that Wallace is now getting more than 20 possessions and a constant supply of hard-won ball from each week was at one stage told he would be unlikely to survive the new coach's cull.
"Terry actually told Shane that he didn't know whether he would stay on the list, so it was close again," Tuck snr said.
As it happened, Wallace cut the likes of the popular Tim Fleming instead.
"Shane was one of the last ones on our list, but I thought there was something there that I had to be sure about first," Wallace told The Age earlier in the year. "It was in the back of my mind, too, that his father played a lot of reserves footy before he made it. I took that into account."
Last Sunday, Rehn watched Tuck redirect the flow of the game against Port Adelaide, which had led by as much as 28 points in the second term. The Tigers were a step off the early pace but not Tuck, who was up with the tempo from the outset. He refused to yield, as he had refused to do against Geelong in the team's horrible first-round hiding, and as others joined him, the momentum of the contest swung.
Michael Tuck proudly described it as his son's best AFL performance. For Rehn, it was an opportunity to reminisce, and, in a way, also feel proud.
"Of all the young fellas at Hawthorn at that time, he was the most intense. He was quick, tallish and he hit the ball hard. He moved through a contest at real pace and that's what I was watching," Rehn says.
"That, and the hunger and anger he has inside of him. Not a bad anger, but an aggressive, ferocious side to his personality. He wouldn't harm anyone deliberately. He's not a dirty player at all, but he goes at the footy and never takes a second step.
"Finally, he's being placed around the 50-50 contests, where he is an absolute natural."
MICHAEL
BORN 24/6/53
HEIGHT 188cm
WEIGHT 74kg
RECRUITED FROM Berwick
GAMES 426
■ Started as a full-forward
■ Played 50 reserves games (22 in 1971, 20 in 1972, 7 in 1973, 1 in 1985)
■ Career spanned 1972-91, ending in AFL records for most games played (426), most finals (39), most grand finals (11), and most premierships (7)
■ Won premierships in 1976, ‘78, ‘83, ‘86, ‘88-89, ‘91, the last four as captain
■ Is the oldest ever premiership player – 38 years, 95 days in 1991
SHANE
BORN 24/12/81
HEIGHT 188cm
WEIGHT 89kg
RECRUITED FROM Drouin/Dandenong U18/West Adelaide
GAMES 9
GOALS 5
■ Rookie listed by Hawthorn 2001-02
■ Played for West Adelaide in SANFL under Shaun Rehn in 2003
■ Picked at No.73 by Richmond in 2003 national draft
■ Played 38 AFL reserves/VFL matches (2 for Hawthorn reserves 1999, 6 for Box Hill 2000, 14 for Box Hill 2001, 16 for Coburg 2004), and 19 games for West Adelaide in SANFL (2003)
■ AFL senior debut in round 14, 2004, aged 22, v Brisbane Lions
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/05/06/1115092684009.html
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Shane Tuck has been great so far this season - really blossomed under TW. :thumbsup
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It's a short story, but a great story so far.
Luv his Ablett pedigree :thumbsup
Luv his Tuck pedigree also lol :thumbsup
Also hope it's another one that got away from the Hawkers story :rollin
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I see this story as being a little more indicative of the incompetence of D Frawley. I think it's a great story for the friar and I just so pleased that finally someone at the club (Wallace) had the good sense to find out exactly what The Friar could do, it's only early days but the signs are really really good so far. Go Tucky, rip the guts outta the blues today mate :thumbsup
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Another top game from Tucky today. When I went to get something to eat at half-time went past one of the tv screens at the back of the Southern stand and fox footy's summary vision of the game til then was Cogs and Tuck winning the ball in close and feeding it out. The showed about 6-7 clearances of Tuck back to back. Now he's been moved into the centre he just knows how to get his hands on the footy.
I see this story as being a little more indicative of the incompetence of D Frawley.
Good coaches are able to know what each of their players can do and positions they can play. Spud never gave Tuck a go to know what he was capable of despite the senior team being totally uncompetitive last year.
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In Tuck, Coughlan and Johnson we have some big strong contested ball winners and oppositin teams will struggle against us in the centre clearances.
Watching most of Coburg's games last year it became apparent to me that Tuck was just so strong over the ball in tight, and that he could just pluck the ball out of a pack with ease. He has natural stregth.
LMAO at Spud.
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Shane Tuck: one-hit wonder or real deal?
Herald-Sun Footy Lifout
Scott Gullan
24th March 2006
Went from almost cut to legitimately stiff not to be All-Australian last year. Tuck had a season out of the box playing as an old-fashioned centreman, leading the club in disposals and hardball gets. As a rule the season after such a breakthrough is a lot different and opposition clubs might actually think about picking him up this year. But he works extremely hard and seems durable like his old man, so bank on him to play this way for the next 20 years.
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Real deal. Geez these HUN reporters are stupid.
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Real deal - although you'd have to say he'll get tagged alot more than he did last season and that's something he will have to adjust to and not get frustrated by.
The only real weakness (if you'd call it that) he had last year was his conversion rate of shots for goal. Missed alot and I think he is a good option to send down forward when he needs a rest. He is a strong lead and mark - just needs to kick a few more goals :thumbsup
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If they try tagging Tucky then that should make it easier for Cogs, Sugar and our other midfielders. It's key we find a depth of at least 10 with can rotate through the middle. You can't tag everyone. In any case Tucky with his robust wirey frame and no-nonsense footy would be a difficult midfielder to shut down IMHO.
Agree WP about Tucky being a good option up forward when rested as he's a good strong mark. He's a bit like Lids in that regard. IMO Tucky could play most possies except ruck obviously and FB. If Sarge can hold down CHB with Gas at FB I hope Tezza gives also Joel a burst forward as well. Wallace wants to rotate guys through the forward line and now he has some ammo at his disposal to do so.
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If they try tagging Tucky then that should make it easier for Cogs, Sugar and our other midfielders. It's key we find a depth of at least 10 with can rotate through the middle. You can't tag everyone. In any case Tucky with his robust wirey frame and no-nonsense footy would be a difficult midfielder to shut down IMHO.
Agree WP about Tucky being a good option up forward when rested as he's a good strong mark. He's a bit like Lids in that regard. IMO Tucky could play most possies except ruck obviously and FB. If Sarge can hold down CHB with Gas at FB I hope Tezza gives also Joel a burst forward as well. Wallace wants to rotate guys through the forward line and now he has some ammo at his disposal to do so.
:cheers agree completely MT - they can't tag everyone - Imagine the opposition tagging 4 or 5 of our players :gotigers
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Tucking in
10 June 2006 Herald Sun
Michael Horan
Being in the spotlight never suited Shane Tuck, but when you're the son of the AFL games record-holder and playing at his club, it's hard to avoid. He had a simple solution: step out of it. Tuck headed off road, then beat his own path back to the big time. And his formula for staying at the top is simple. Keep on Tuckin'.
SHANE Tuck had heavy baggage, too heavy to carry. That was the hard fact for a hopeful 18-year-old footballer, who, under the weight of expectation and pedigree, walked away from Glenferrie Oval after a couple of unfulfilled years on the Hawthorn rookie list, expecting never to return.
When you are the son of AFL games record-holder Michael Tuck and nephew of the great Gary Ablett, the road to an AFL career is not hard to find, but it can be a lonely one.
Which is why Tuck decided that he needed to take a detour before that undeniable pedigree and a maturing passion to succeed brought him to Punt Rd, and his standing today as a prime mover in the Tigers' midfield.
His father played 426 games for Hawthorn, was captain in four of the seven premiership sides in which he played and a three-time All-Australian.
Uncle Gary played 248 games and is one of only five men in AFL history to have kicked more than 1000 goals.
But after two years of being the struggling son of a gun – and nephew of "God" – Tuck, mentally and physically, had had enough.
"I just wanted a year off footy, I was sick of it. I just wanted to go and play with my mates in the sticks," Tuck, now 24, said this week.
"It actually didn't faze me too much because I just didn't want to play league footy. I'd had enough of it. It might have had a bit to do with the pressure of who my old man was, but I was just really sick of it.
"I couldn't put six weeks together without having something wrong with me. It used to really give me the poos, so I just wanted to walk away.
"My old man wasn't too happy about it, but I just didn't want to play."
They are the words of the man who last season was Richmond's leading possession winner, third in the club best-and-fairest and, according to Tigers coach Terry Wallace, very unlucky not to win All-Australian selection.
Wallace says Tuck's work ethic on the training track is a shining example of dedication and commitment – a stark contrast to the boy who threw it all in a few years earlier.
So what happened along that scenic route?
First of all, Tuck went bush to hang out with his mates.
He played footy at Carrum Downs, but then took off to South Australia to play under former Hawthorn teammate Shaun Rehn at West Adelaide in the SANFL.
"When I heard Shaun had the job there, I went straight away," Tuck said.
"I was pretty matey with him at Hawthorn and I respected him a lot, so I thought it would be a good opportunity, a good chance to play some good footy again."
Tuck said the move wasn't about getting another shot at the big league.
"It actually wasn't, no. That's what a lot of people think, but it just wasn't so. I just wanted to try something new," Tuck said.
"Then about 10 or so games into the season, people kept on talking about, `Geez, you could get drafted again'.
"I was working as a landscape gardener on pretty average money, and I started to think I'd like to get drafted again and play footy for money again."
By the end of the 2003 season, Tuck had been interviewed by several AFL clubs before Richmond picked him in the seventh round of the national draft, No. 73 overall.
But he struggled to get a game under coach Danny Frawley.
"My first season at Richmond was pretty ordinary," he said.
"I rolled up to training and I knew what it took, but it had advanced a lot more just in the couple of years I'd had off.
"My start at Richmond wasn't good. I think Danny Frawley's first impression of me was not a good one, and that led him to believe for most of the year I wasn't up to it."
As fate would have it, Frawley departed and was replaced by Wallace, a former Hawk who played a lot of football with Shane's father.
Wallace admitted that although it was a near thing, he wanted to take a punt on Tuck.
"From the first day I walked in the door, I wasn't sure which way I was going to go," Wallace said.
"Through the trade period we ended up with an extra bloke coming in, and that meant I had to cut one more off our list. It came down to Tim Fleming or Tucky because they were the only two who were uncontracted.
"I knew more about Tim than I did about Tucky, but basically the bottom line when I made a decision was with the age difference.
"If Tucky was going to make it, he was going to with all the kids we drafted, where Fleming's career was going to be over by the time those kids had matured. So I went with Shane in the hope he'd come through.
"The other point was when I first arrived at Richmond, there was no staff – no footy manager, no assistant coaches. It was just me going in trying to work out who I was going to pick up. There was only me and my PA in the whole place.
"But while I was getting organised, the first person in there every day was Tucky – doing weights, getting out and doing a bit of running," Wallace said.
"I thought, poo, he's a big, strong bull, he obviously wants it. I don't know enough about him to make a decision, so I'm not going to throw him out the door until I find out.
"He's done it all himself. All we did is give him opportunity. That's purely and simply where it stands."
From reluctant and uncertain to an example of what it takes to be an AFL top-liner is quite a metamorphosis, and Tuck is the first to admit it.
"Yes, it is a big transition, but I think being 24, my body is mature now," he said.
"I don't think I played any good footy until I was 21 at West Adelaide. It took me a long time to start playing well.
"It took until I was fully grown."
Tuck said going so close to being cut at the end of 2004 also made him realise there would never be a third chance.
"I really wanted to play league footy. I learned I'd just have to put in a big one and I had to have a good year or I'd be out the door. I didn't want to get delisted again," he said.
"I did everything I could – had a full pre-season and hardly missed a session. I didn't miss any of the pre-season games, and things just led on from there.
"I'm still learning. I've played 35 games now, and while there is still a lot to learn, I feel like I'm right, yeah. I feel like I fit in."
Watching the Tigers each week is Dad, who proudly acknowledges that Shane has done it – made the grade – his way.
"Probably the hardest thing was being my son at Hawthorn. That made it harder for him," Michael Tuck admitted.
"It's all credit to him, really. There's not a lot who get a second chance at it. There are a lot of kids who wouldn't mind having another go, but you actually have to be able to go and do it.
"I think what he appreciates is he's done it himself, not being at Hawthorn through me.
"He's his own man, really. He attacks the ball the way he wants to, he's got his own ability.
"One of his uncles, Peter, always said he could play, it was only a matter of time and if he got the opportunity or not. That's the best part of it.
"It doesn't matter about me any more. It's about him and the way he's going."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,19419650%255E19742,00.html
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"My start at Richmond wasn't good. I think Danny Frawley's first impression of me was not a good one, and that led him to believe for most of the year I wasn't up to it."
Step away from the professional life Frawley,FFS !
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Having watched the replay (will do again I reckon ;D) I noticed that Tucky had one of his ears all taped up
What's the deal - it looked funny ;D
:gotigers
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Transmitter - wired for sound? 8)
If it was Fev, my guess would be to stop his half a brain from falling out.
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Transmitter - wired for sound? 8)
Thought that myself ;)
If it was Fev, my guess would be to stop his half a brain from falling out.
:thatsgold
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Sparring in the RFC gym with Mike Tyson?
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Tuck a quiet achiever
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Tue 05 August, 2008
Shane Tuck is on target for his third top-three finish in Richmond’s Best and Fairest count in four full seasons of AFL football.
The 26-year-old midfielder, who made his senior league debut with the Tigers in 2004 (four appearances that year), finished third behind Joel Bowden in the 2005 Jack Dyer Medal, 10th in 2006 behind Kane Johnson, and third in 2007 behind Matthew Richardson.
And, given his consistent form this season, he has to be rated a definite chance to win the 2008 Jack Dyer Medal.
The big factor in Tuck’s favor is his remarkable durability . . .
Since Terry Wallace took over the coaching reins at Tigerland in 2005, ‘Tucky’ has not missed a match.
He has played 84 games straight, which has him well ahead on Richmond’s consecutive games list at the moment (Nathan Foley is second on 59) and in eighth place overall on the competition’s list (Sydney’s Brett Kirk leads with 148).
After 18 rounds this season, he’s averaging 23.1 disposals per game, which is just up on his league-career average of 22.1. He’s also averaging nine contested possessions per game (ranked No. 7 in the competition), four clearances per game, five hard-ball gets per game (ranked No. 5 in the competition) and four tackles per game.
Tuck had a season-high 33 disposals in the Round 6 clash with Hawthorn at the MCG and he managed 31 disposals against the reigning premier Geelong in an impressive performance at Telstra Dome last Saturday night.
In typical Tuck style, he goes about his business with no fuss or fanfare, but his value to the Richmond side should not be underestimated.
While the likes of Nathan Foley, Brett Deledio and Trent Cotchin catch the eye with their speed and silky skills, it’s Tuck that provides important grunt to the Tiger midfield.
He’s a hard-running, hard-working midfielder, who has improved his disposal efficiency this year, and is one of the first names coach Terry Wallace pencils into the line-up each week.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=64860
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Gun :thumbsup
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Look, Tuck is a good solid consistent player but the fact that he is finishing top 3 in the B&F is further testament to the lack of quality, classy players we have had on our list in that time.
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And there are some people on this forum who want to trade him :banghead :banghead :banghead
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In a side that got pumped -
34 disposals (16k, 18h, 62% efficiency), 4 marks, 4 tackles, 6 clearances, 7 clangers, 20 contested possessions, 3 inside 50s.
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In a side that got pumped -
34 disposals (16k, 18h, 62% efficiency), 4 marks, 4 tackles, 6 clearances, 7 clangers, 20 contested possessions, 3 inside 50s.
apart from Kane Johnson who played a good game, the rest of his team mates let Tuck down for his hard workrate including all the coaching staff
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In a side that got pumped -
34 disposals (16k, 18h, 62% efficiency), 4 marks, 4 tackles, 6 clearances, 7 clangers, 20 contested possessions, 3 inside 50s.
apart from Kane Johnson who played a good game, the rest of his team mates let Tuck down for his hard workrate including all the coaching staff
Yeah so Kane got 32 possessions, that part was ok but what really peees me off is when he doesn't have it he's the laziest stuffing idiot to ever live. Cant be stuffed helping out his teammates most of the time and wants to be the bail out player for another touch instead of laying a shepherd. peees me off to no end. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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fair call TA, l referring to Johnson getting the ball & delivering it well while up field his team mates errored all the hard work.
Them idiots are lucky l'm not coaching them, their lack of hard training shows out by miles.
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A hard and tough player that never complains. And the thought that some would want to trade him is beyond me. At least you know what you get with him. He's one of the most consistant players we have and it would ne injustice to trade him. As you can tell he's my favorite player but other than that he's is a constant hard worker not a flashy player like a Browny.
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anyone ever noticed Deledio is jumping & handballing lately like Tuck.
its a play that will leave the body wide open for punishment but its very effective.
Cannot understand how umpires cant constantly get it wrong each week with Tuck handballing.
again another handball over the top behind him & his pinged.
Do these umpires even watch the game, as the umpiring was Pathetic yesterday
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anyone ever noticed Deledio is jumping & handballing lately like Tuck.
its a play that will leave the body wide open for punishment but its very effective.
Cannot understand how umpires cant constantly get it wrong each week with Tuck handballing.
again another handball over the top behind him & his pinged.
Do these umpires even watch the game, as the umpiring was Pathetic yesterday
Agree. It seems anyone but Tuck is allowed to handpass like that in recent weeks. :banghead :banghead
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anyone ever noticed Deledio is jumping & handballing lately like Tuck.
its a play that will leave the body wide open for punishment but its very effective.
Cannot understand how umpires cant constantly get it wrong each week with Tuck handballing.
again another handball over the top behind him & his pinged.
Do these umpires even watch the game, as the umpiring was Pathetic yesterday
Agree. It seems anyone but Tuck is allowed to handpass like that in recent weeks. :banghead :banghead
He clearly gets his hands on the ball when handballing over the top, & shows that 3 umpires aint watching the game properly
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I firmly believe Tuck does more harm than good with his inefeective disposal and constantly puts his teammates under the pump.
I say trade him while he has currency but only if its in a package to get Kerr or Brown. Shouldnt be traded for a draft pick on its own.
Other clubs dont tag him because they know he does no damage once he gets it.
Also I hate the way he constantly tries to handle above his head rather than hold the ball in the tackle and the opposition then clears the ball way rather than create another stoppage.
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Kane may have had 32 touches, but his decision making and disposal was very poor. Also, for a captain, he hardly laid a shephard or block to help the team, no wonder the team dosnt do it when the captain shows the way. Once again, his game proved that possessions mean nothing, it is what you do with them. A real good onballer who gets his hands on the ball that many times will hurt the opposition.
Deledio should be made captain next year with Tuck vice captain.
Troy Simmonds was pathetic. many give Patto a hard time. but at least he has a go. I say send Simmo to the burgers to finish the year and his career off. Time to elevate Cartiledge and also give Gus a go to help Patto.
KIng , well Terry showed he has no idea for even selecting this dud :banghead :banghead :banghead
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I firmly believe Tuck does more harm than good with his inefeective disposal and constantly puts his teammates under the pump.
I say trade him while he has currency but only if its in a package to get Kerr or Brown. Shouldnt be traded for a draft pick on its own.
Other clubs dont tag him because they know he does no damage once he gets it.
Also I hate the way he constantly tries to handle above his head rather than hold the ball in the tackle and the opposition then clears the ball way rather than create another stoppage.
I really trhink that you must have been at other games if you want to bring in Kerr who has a list as long as your arm with wrong doings. And trade out Tuck for him. No way in the world I say. Tuck is far more value to the Tigers than anyone like a Kerr.
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I firmly believe Tuck does more harm than good with his inefeective disposal and constantly puts his teammates under the pump.
I say trade him while he has currency but only if its in a package to get Kerr or Brown. Shouldnt be traded for a draft pick on its own.
Other clubs dont tag him because they know he does no damage once he gets it.
Also I hate the way he constantly tries to handle above his head rather than hold the ball in the tackle and the opposition then clears the ball way rather than create another stoppage.
l firmly beleive you have no knowledge of the game of football, if you want Tuck traded for a rat like Kerr to take his place
Tuck protects the midfielders to allows the ball to be carried out of the centre attack
no Tuck means if we had Kerr he would be forever grabbed & bashed by his tagger YOU IDIOT :lol
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I hope he listens Tigermonk.
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Third straight week over 30 disposals for Tucky. In career best form and he really shoved it up his old side today when he didn't have Foley by his side in the guts to help.
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Reminds me of Martin Pike. :cheers
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Tucky's past 6 weeks:
AFL rank
Disposals 188 1st
Con. disp. 77 1st
Hard ball gets 41 1st
Clearances 32 5th
source: footy classified
Caro also said there were some serious concerns from those at Punt Rd about Tuck's form and future early on in the season but he's turned it around.
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Shame they didn't mention he was signed on a new 3 year deal early in the season
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Shame they didn't mention he was signed on a new 3 year deal early in the season
I was surprised we re-signed him up for 3 years but he's certainly repaid the club's faith in him in the second half of this year.
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going to be a champion like his father, Michael was a late bloomer & played all them games & premierships.
Would it be nice to copy his fathers achievements, l know l be one happy Tiger with all them premierships.
nothing like dreaming about Premierships ;D but Tuck is the teams most hardest workers alongside Richo & Johnson.
His mistakes often come from fatigue & his one of them players who can come up with a strong mark & kick goals
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Tucky's been named in the best 18 of the week by Champion Data for the past 3 weeks. This week named in the centre :thumbsup.
Newy in a BP, Bowden at CHB and Lids at CHF were also named in this week's best 18.
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Goes to show that others are now starting to take notice of our boys. And more power to them. And congradulations to those that were selected. :gotigers
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hope tuck is our next captain, he has what it takes
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Seeing Tuck as our next captain would be great. Now here's the but. I don't think he'll get the job against the flair of Lids or Richo.
But I can see him as a vice captain though.
I think he would suit either job but, he'll never get the captains job as much as I hate to say it.
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The lastest issue of Inside Football looks at the top midfielders in the AFL and the number of disposals they get per T.O.G. (time on ground).
When you take into account T.O.G., Tucky was the 5th most prolific ballwinner last year. Sugar was 10th.
Games Disposals TOG% Avg Int. Disp. per 100% TOG
1. Joel Corey 25 29.2 86% 4.0 33.9
2. Gary Ablett 21 28.9 86% 3.7 33.4
3. Bradd Dalziell 7 26.4 80% 4.1 32.9
4. Dane Swan 24 24.6 75% 7.7 32.7
5. Shane Tuck 22 24.9 76% 5.8 32.6
6. Joel Selwood 24 25.3 78% 4.9 32.5
7. Scott West 4 23.3 72% 5.8 32.1
8. Robert Harvey 24 21.1 66% 6.4 32.0
9. Jimmy Bartell 25 28.1 88% 3.6 31.9
10. Kane Johnson 18 23.9 76% 5.3 31.7
Just as an aside, Geelong players made up 5 of the top 11 spots.
Tucky was also 3rd in handball per 100% TOG.
For all the Tivendale fans he was in the top 10 (ninth) for inside 50s per 100% TOG ;).
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i was reading those names thinking yeah that sounds about right till i saw Richi Vandeburg's name, sorry i meant Kane Johnson
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Tucky was flying in the second half of last year so those stats aren't surprising. Arguably our best player in that period.
Sugar is much maligned but until the younger guys start matching his output then he'll have a place in our 22 even coming off the bench and pinchhitting in the midfield and on a HFF.
For all the Tivendale fans he was in the top 10 (ninth) for inside 50s per 100% TOG ;).
It's helps playing against Melbourne lol. On ya Tivs ;D.
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i was reading those names thinking yeah that sounds about right till i saw Richi Vandeburg's name, sorry i meant Kane Johnson
Geez One Eyed, you gotta stop setting baits! :lol
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And he gets his own ball
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Tuck's tough as a truck but he's no lamborghini.
Suspect kicking will always leave him short of being called a gun.
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According to Fighting Tiger, Tucky has been the sole Tiger to play every game under Wallace. He's also had 3 top 3 finishes in our B&F in those 4 years.
Tuck 88
Deledio 84
Richo 82
Bowden 81
Newman 79
Johnson 77
Simmonds 75
Tambling 75
Pettifer 72
Foley 70
Browny 49
Cogs 34
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So much for Richo being injury prone.
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Simmonds on 75 out of 88 means he has missed only 13 games in Terry's 4 Year tenure.
If all were missed in 2007 it seems to me that he missed a whole lot more games than 13 that year.
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Simmo played 10 games in 2007
He just played most of them well under 100% fitness so had a much reduced impact, however he still did pretty well considering the circumstances.
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So much for Richo being injury prone.
Touch wood.
Cogs 34
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To completely change the subject, could someone please tell me what's the go with the taping and plugging of Shane Tuck's ear every week.
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Heard a player say last week he has a problem with his eardrum which requires an operation. Has to keep it covered until then.
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he has had this issue for 3 seasons now
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He has a burst ear drum that won't heal
Has had recently had an operation on it which still didn't take
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Can't handle the sledging from the opposition or the dummy spits from Richo :P :rollin
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Tucky has a perforated eardrum he copped while boxing. He's going to have an op at the end of the season which apparently will finally fix the problem without any risk to his hearing hopefully. So he's going to play through the season despite it being quite painful on windy days when the air blows across the ear canal. That's why he has that ear stuffed with cotton wool.
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I'm sorry if this has been asked and answered before, if it has, I missed it......What has Shane Tuck got in his ears and why?
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ear drum problems
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Thanks Jack, I figured that, is the noise of the crowd too loud, is it just to muffle the sound?, it cant completely block it out.
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I think it's to stop the air going into his ear which causes pain.
One of my brothers had a perforated eardrum when a youngster and it is pretty nasty.
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Shane Tuck is the best mark for his size in the competition.
Have a look at his timed jump and strong hands from a kick-out where he outmarked Dean Cox and Gus Graham.
Should try and pinch-hit him up forward more I reckon..
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Shane Tuck is the best mark for his size in the competition.
Haver a look at his timed jump and strong hands from a kick-out where he outmarked Dean Cox and Gus Graham.
Should try and pinch-hit him up forward more I reckon..
Totally agree. . He is gun kick too
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Totally agree. . He is gun kick too
yep - you'd want him taking a shot for goal after the siren for a win
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I think it's to stop the air going into his ear which causes pain.
One of my brothers had a perforated eardrum when a youngster and it is pretty nasty.
Yep that's the reason. Apparently Tucky will see some specialist at the end of the season to fix it.
Btw Tucky has just played 100 consecutive games :clapping. His dad played 138 in a row without miss.
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Shane Tuck is the best mark for his size in the competition.
Have a look at his timed jump and strong hands from a kick-out where he outmarked Dean Cox and Gus Graham.
Should try and pinch-hit him up forward more I reckon..
mitch is up there as in best mark for his size
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Congrats on 100 straight Tucky - father/son you beauty !!
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Tucky spoke about his ear in the AFL Record. He copped a knock to it in 2005 in a marking contest. Instead of healing naturally the perforation got bigger. He should have had an operation straight after the end of the season but naively delayed it a month. He then started running two weeks later which was 4 weeks ahead of the prescribed time and the problem lingered. Tucky said it's knocked him around a bit. His other ear gets real sensitive. If he doesn't look after them he gets headachy. The risk of dirt getting in his inner ear means he has to put tape across it. His hearing is fine and he admits it looks stupid. He'll have another ear operation at the end of the season and promises to handle it a lot better this time around.
Btw in round 3, the Bulldogs thought he was receiving illegal messages from the coaches box :lol
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Tucky's article in the AFL Record
Playing through the Pain
http://issuu.com/slattery/docs/afl_record_rd13_2009/28?zoomed=true&zoomPercent=100&zoomXPos=1&zoomYPos=0.32894736842105265
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ESSENDON v RICHMOND
Richmond
B: Jake King, Will Thursfield, Chris Newman
HB: Dean Polo , Luke McGuane, Matthew White
C: Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio
HF: Robin Nahas, Jack Riewoldt, Jayden Post
F: Nathan Brown, Mitch Morton, Ben Cousins
Foll: Tyrone Vickery, Daniel Jackson, Richard Tambling
I/C (from): Adam Pattison, Alex Rance, Jordan McMahon, Jarrod Silvester, Adam Thomson, Mark Coughlan, Tom Hislop
In: Cousins, Cotchin, Pattison, Brown, Thomson
Out: Shane Tuck, Angus Graham
Essendon
B: Henry Slattery, Tayte Pears, Michael Hurley
HB: Courtenay Dempsey, Dustin Fletcher, Adam McPhee
C: Brent Prismall, Mark McVeigh, Andrew Lovett
HF: Nathan Lovett-Murray, Angus Monfries, Kyle Reimers
F: Jason Winderlich, Matthew Lloyd, Alwyn Davey
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Andrew Welsh, Jobe Watson
I/C (from): Brent Stanton, Ricky Dyson, Heath Hocking, Cale Hooker, Scott Lucas, Hayden Skipworth, Sam Lonergan
In: Lovett-Murray, Monfries, Skipworth
Out: -
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I could be wrong but I think that ends a sequence of over 100 consecutive games for Tuck.
What a shame that tanking is affecting records such as these. Demetriou cannot ignore this forever!
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It's not tanking. It's because he didn't follow the coach's orders.
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It's not tanking. It's because he didn't follow the coach's orders.
Is Tuck getting the blame for the 2 premiership points which make it harder to tank now?
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Richmond gets Cuz and Cotchin back
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen 5:00 PM Thu 23 July, 2009
THE RICHMOND side for this Sunday’s rivalry round clash with Essendon has been strengthened with the return of gun midfielders Ben Cousins and Trent Cotchin.
The Tigers have added five players and dropped two, with veteran forward Nathan Brown, promising ruckman Adam Pattison and Adam Thomson also being added.
Forced out of the squad of 25 are midfielder Shane Tuck and ruckman Angus Graham, both of whom will play for Coburg in the VFL.
Richmond football manager Ross Monaghan told richmondfc.com.au that Cousins and Cotchin hadn’t been too far away from playing last week.
“They’re good as gold – they were reasonable by game day last weekend, but they just hadn’t done anything during the week and were still crook the day before the game, so we just didn’t want send them out there under those circumstances,” he said.
“Nathan had a decent break to get himself right, then had two games to work himself into some form at Coburg.
“Adam Pattison’s been thereabouts for a good period of time, and has been consistently good at Coburg for a number of weeks, so he’s forced his way at Angus’s expense.
“Adam Thomson has been on the fringe of selection for some time, so there’s a good chance that he might come in this week.”
Matthew Richardson (hamstring tendon) and Nathan Foley (calf) are two of the Tigers elite players who are out through injury, and both could be returning soon, although Monaghan said the club would take no chances with either player.
“Richo’s progressing really well – this was his first week of full training, and as long as he can get through another full week of full training next week then he’ll be considered, but we haven’t even talked about how to bring him back, we’ve got to decide what’s best for him.
“Nathan’s progressing really well – he’s probably another week or two away, but we’ve got no intention of playing Nathan Foley until he’s 100 per cent right.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/81275/default.aspx
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Out: Shane Tuck, Angus Graham
:lol :lol
I said after last weekend if it was up to me I'd drop Graham.... I didn't realise I had such impact :rollin :rollin :D
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but look who they have bought in, Patto ::)
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It's because he didn't follow the coach's orders.
Yep that's what I've heard. Tucky had played 104 consecutive games on end and didn't miss a game under Plough.
In: Cuz, Cotch, Browny, Patto
Out: Tucky, Gus, Rance, Cogs
I wonder if we'll win more than 15 hitouts and gawd knows how few clearances this week :-\
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Dont have to be dead to be stiff!
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I just wish the season would end, Doesnt matter what Tuck did, he doesnt deserved to be dropped. He is one player who has a red hot go each week.
And they still keep giving Hislop and Coughlan a game, RFC=losers mentality
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"Shane had a chat to Jade and the coaching staff and there were obviously areas of concern they wanted him to work on and he will play at Coburg this week," Richmond football manager Ross Monaghan told Sportal when asked about Tuck's surprise omission ...
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/saints-recall-hudghton-74539
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"Shane had a chat to Jade and the coaching staff and there were obviously areas of concern they wanted him to work on and he will play at Coburg this week," Richmond football manager Ross Monaghan told Sportal when asked about Tuck's surprise omission ...
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/saints-recall-hudghton-74539
Just goes to show how much idea they actually have at Punt Road, NIL
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I just wish the season would end, Doesnt matter what Tuck did, he doesnt deserved to be dropped. He is one player who has a red hot go each week.
And they still keep giving Hislop and Coughlan a game, RFC=losers mentality
Given Hislop is playing against his old side I would say Cogs will be dropped too.
Tuck does have a red hot go every week but seriously do you rate him that highly Jack? I would've though at 27 he could be potential trade bait to be honest given our other mids are young and as a group still 3-4 years away from maturing. That would make him 30 by then. He's not an A-grade midfielder.
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It's not tanking. It's because he didn't follow the coach's orders.
correct
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Jade Rawlings makes Tiger scapegoat for fadeout
Sam Edmund | July 24, 2009
JADE "The Blade" Rawlings has struck again, springing a major surprise by axing Shane Tuck.
The interim Richmond coach last night sent the midfielder back to Coburg and the VFL, putting a shock end to a 104-match streak at senior level.
Tuck, 27, was dropped for form reasons, with Rawlings believed to be unhappy with his execution late in Sunday's draw with North Melbourne as the Tigers squandered a 43-point lead.
But the omission will again raise the issue of tanking.
Tuck leads Richmond in many key statistical categories.
He is a clear No. 1 in disposals, hardball gets and contested possessions, sits second in handballs received and uncontested possessions and has laid the third-most tackles for the Tigers.
Tuck's 121 hardball gets is the most in the AFL - 17 more than Geelong star Gary Ablett.
A fan favourite for his willingness to get his hands dirty, Tuck will miss Sunday's clash against Essendon at the MCG.
Angus Graham was also dropped while there is still no return for Joel Bowden. But fellow veterans Ben Cousins and Nathan Brown were included on an extended bench along with Trent Cotchin.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25826520-19742,00.html
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Tuck does have a red hot go every week but seriously do you rate him that highly Jack? I would've though at 27 he could be potential trade bait to be honest given our other mids are young and as a group still 3-4 years away from maturing. That would make him 30 by then. He's not an A-grade midfielder.
I rate him highly MT. I think his inside contested work is critical to our developing team at the moment. From Sam Edmund's article:
"He is a clear No. 1 in disposals, hardball gets and contested possessions, sits second in handballs received and uncontested possessions and has laid the third-most tackles for the Tigers."
His omission was a much much bigger shock to me than Bowden's.
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As I am sure with most supporters! Would love to hear the reasoning behind this one.
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It's interesting to compare Tucky and Bowden. While Tuck lacks Bowdens footskills he has much more heart and aggression around the packs. Bowden strikes me as the more intelligent of the two but Tucky the more loyal. Bowden is more outspoken and confident whereas Tucky is more of an introvert. Bowden came to the side as a Father-son selection who claimed a place in the team very quickly while Tuck was also a Father-son at Hawthorn but had to fight his way into an AFL team after being wrongly positioned.
What they do have in common though is that they look great on the stats sheet. Bowden survived for years because of his high possession count and desposal effectiveness. Tucky has survived for years because of his contested footy and clearance count.
What these stats fail to highlight is that both have deficencies in their game that make them a hinderance at times. Bowden his lack of pace, defensive skills and 'fear' of turning the ball over by moving the ball on quickly - Tucky the quality of his desposal and decision making.
I love Tuckys attack on the ball and how he barrels through midfielders with his superior size to take possession of the ball but he lacks the polish and pace of the better midfielders in the competition. He is never tagged because he doesn't hurt opposition when he has it in his hands.
I also agree with MT regarding his age compared to the rest of our midfielders age. He will not be around or at least playing the quality of football we need when we have matured as a team. Perhaps trading him why he has worth would be a clever move this year.
I'm sorry if people think I am having a go at Bowden or Tuck with this post but I think the time to concentrate on the future is far more important now than focusing on the present or reflecting on the past.
Hard decisions need to be made and perhaps Tucky could be one of them....
Stripes
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Maybe it's something simple like match-ups? Essendon are a quick side. Tucky is anything but quick.
Instead of dropping Cogs, they might have wanted to leave him in and see whether he can still cut it. They already know what Tuck can and can't do. Or am I being too simplistic? ???
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It's interesting to compare Tucky and Bowden. While Tuck lacks Bowdens footskills he has much more heart and aggression around the packs. Bowden strikes me as the more intelligent of the two but Tucky the more loyal. Bowden is more outspoken and confident whereas Tucky is more of an introvert. Bowden came to the side as a Father-son selection who claimed a place in the team very quickly while Tuck was also a Father-son at Hawthorn but had to fight his way into an AFL team after being wrongly positioned.
What they do have in common though is that they look great on the stats sheet. Bowden survived for years because of his high possession count and desposal effectiveness. Tucky has survived for years because of his contested footy and clearance count.
What these stats fail to highlight is that both have deficencies in their game that make them a hinderance at times. Bowden his lack of pace, defensive skills and 'fear' of turning the ball over by moving the ball on quickly - Tucky the quality of his desposal and decision making.
I love Tuckys attack on the ball and how he barrels through midfielders with his superior size to take possession of the ball but he lacks the polish and pace of the better midfielders in the competition. He is never tagged because he doesn't hurt opposition when he has it in his hands.
I also agree with MT regarding his age compared to the rest of our midfielders age. He will not be around or at least playing the quality of football we need when we have matured as a team. Perhaps trading him why he has worth would be a clever move this year.
I'm sorry if people think I am having a go at Bowden or Tuck with this post but I think the time to concentrate on the future is far more important now than focusing on the present or reflecting on the past.
Hard decisions need to be made and perhaps Tucky could be one of them....
Stripes
That was a good read
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Side for Sunday
Richmond
B: Jake King, Will Thursfield, Chris Newman
HB: Dean Polo , Luke McGuane, Matthew White
C: Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio
HF: Robin Nahas, Jack Riewoldt, Jayden Post
F: Nathan Brown, Mitch Morton, Ben Cousins
Foll: Tyrone Vickery, Daniel Jackson, Richard Tambling
I/C: Adam Pattison, Tom Hislop, Jordan McMahon, Jarrod Silvester
Emg: Adam Thomson, Mark Coughlan, Alex Rance
In: Cousins, Cotchin, Pattison, Brown
Out: Shane Tuck, Angus Graham, Mark Coughlan, Alex Rance
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It's interesting to compare Tucky and Bowden. While Tuck lacks Bowdens footskills he has much more heart and aggression around the packs. Bowden strikes me as the more intelligent of the two but Tucky the more loyal. Bowden is more outspoken and confident whereas Tucky is more of an introvert. Bowden came to the side as a Father-son selection who claimed a place in the team very quickly while Tuck was also a Father-son at Hawthorn but had to fight his way into an AFL team after being wrongly positioned.
What they do have in common though is that they look great on the stats sheet. Bowden survived for years because of his high possession count and desposal effectiveness. Tucky has survived for years because of his contested footy and clearance count.
What these stats fail to highlight is that both have deficencies in their game that make them a hinderance at times. Bowden his lack of pace, defensive skills and 'fear' of turning the ball over by moving the ball on quickly - Tucky the quality of his desposal and decision making.
I love Tuckys attack on the ball and how he barrels through midfielders with his superior size to take possession of the ball but he lacks the polish and pace of the better midfielders in the competition. He is never tagged because he doesn't hurt opposition when he has it in his hands.
I also agree with MT regarding his age compared to the rest of our midfielders age. He will not be around or at least playing the quality of football we need when we have matured as a team. Perhaps trading him why he has worth would be a clever move this year.
I'm sorry if people think I am having a go at Bowden or Tuck with this post but I think the time to concentrate on the future is far more important now than focusing on the present or reflecting on the past.
Hard decisions need to be made and perhaps Tucky could be one of them....
Stripes
I believe Joel is loyal too but well said Stripes. We need to look where the side will be in 2012-13 rather than 2010 given the future core of the side is still 22 and under. Tucky would be very useful if he was a 2nd or 3rd tier midfielder in a good side but at the moment we are using him as a 1st tier and we need better and classier 1st tier mids than a Tucky. If a Sydney or GC17 next year offered a top 10 pick you wouldn't say IMO.
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Edit: beat me too it Muscles :thumbsup
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Still no Thomilf. :(
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Essendon's final 22 for those interested .....
B: Henry Slattery, Tayte Pears, Michael Hurley
HB: Courtenay Dempsey, Dustin Fletcher, Adam McPhee
C: Brent Prismall, Mark McVeigh, Andrew Lovett
HF: Nathan Lovett-Murray, Angus Monfries, Kyle Reimers
F: Jason Winderlich, Matthew Lloyd, Alwyn Davey
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Andrew Welsh, Jobe Watson
I/C: Brent Stanton, Ricky Dyson, Scott Lucas, Cale Hooker
Emg: Hayden Skipworth, Sam Lonergan, Heath Hocking
In: Lovett-Murray, Monfries
Out: Sam Lonergan, Heath Hocking
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Side for Sunday
Richmond
B: Jake King, Will Thursfield, Chris Newman
HB: Dean Polo , Luke McGuane, Matthew White
C: Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio
HF: Robin Nahas, Jack Riewoldt, Jayden Post
F: Nathan Brown, Mitch Morton, Ben Cousins
Foll: Tyrone Vickery, Daniel Jackson, Richard Tambling
I/C: Adam Pattison, Tom Hislop, Jordan McMahon, Jarrod Silvester
Emg: Adam Thomson, Mark Coughlan, Alex Rance
In: Cousins, Cotchin, Pattison, Brown
Out: Shane Tuck, Angus Graham, Mark Coughlan, Alex Rance
Cogs' future must be now in doubt too. The must have considered him too slow for the Bombers. Sadly a career ruined by injury :'(
It must be a long time since Foley, Tucky and Cogs were all out of the midfield.
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It's interesting to compare Tucky and Bowden. While Tuck lacks Bowdens footskills he has much more heart and aggression around the packs. Bowden strikes me as the more intelligent of the two but Tucky the more loyal. Bowden is more outspoken and confident whereas Tucky is more of an introvert. Bowden came to the side as a Father-son selection who claimed a place in the team very quickly while Tuck was also a Father-son at Hawthorn but had to fight his way into an AFL team after being wrongly positioned.
What they do have in common though is that they look great on the stats sheet. Bowden survived for years because of his high possession count and desposal effectiveness. Tucky has survived for years because of his contested footy and clearance count.
What these stats fail to highlight is that both have deficencies in their game that make them a hinderance at times. Bowden his lack of pace, defensive skills and 'fear' of turning the ball over by moving the ball on quickly - Tucky the quality of his desposal and decision making.
I love Tuckys attack on the ball and how he barrels through midfielders with his superior size to take possession of the ball but he lacks the polish and pace of the better midfielders in the competition. He is never tagged because he doesn't hurt opposition when he has it in his hands.
I also agree with MT regarding his age compared to the rest of our midfielders age. He will not be around or at least playing the quality of football we need when we have matured as a team. Perhaps trading him why he has worth would be a clever move this year.
I'm sorry if people think I am having a go at Bowden or Tuck with this post but I think the time to concentrate on the future is far more important now than focusing on the present or reflecting on the past.
Hard decisions need to be made and perhaps Tucky could be one of them....
Stripes
Mate, every player in our side has deficencies and are a hinderance to our side at times. That is why we are near the bottom. I cannot help but think you take cheap shots whenever you can at our older players. Not sure what you get from it but if it makes you feel good then knock yourself out! Bowden is a two time best and fairest at our club and an all Australian player, so even though YOU may think he has been slow, lacks heart and scared but you don't play 200 odd games of AFL footy and have the career he has had without being an outstanding footballer. I personally think he is a superstar of our club! :clapping
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:rollin Richmond has gone from shocking to outrageous haha dropping Tuck one of the ball magnets of the AFL & strongest body going round
Not honoring Bowden a new contract yet thay keep the likes of Coughlan & Richo broken down & players like JON, Pettifer, Edwards, Shulzs, McMahon oh please
Richmond are a disgrace
Look at how they treat there players what a disgraceful club :lol no wonder no-one wants to play or coach us ;D
disgraceful Tankers ;D l always knew what was going on down there & now its finally out. Not good for a hard working Punter being ripped off from cheating AFL clubs tanking
Terry Wallet came back for unfinished buisness & that was to stuff the club up completely after he was a poo player for us
Some of the players are wanting out of the club & tensions are high. Bombshell will rock us bad for another 10 more years stay tuned
disgraceful ;D
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That was really difficult to read TM :(
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That was really difficult to read TM :(
No1 Cares
;D
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That was really difficult to read TM :(
No1 Cares
;D
That's good because I doubt anyone could read and make sense of it.
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That was really difficult to read TM :(
No1 Cares
;D
That's good because I doubt anyone could read and make sense of it.
its telling you Richmond are the laughing stock of the AFL ;D
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Wonder what your ...insert relative... thinks of that?
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:rollin Richmond has gone from shocking to outrageous haha dropping Tuck one of the ball magnets of the AFL & strongest body going round
Good individual stats don't save you if you don't follow coach's orders and don't shepherd allowing your direct opponent to run past you and tackle your teammate.
disgraceful Tankers ;D l always knew what was going on down there & now its finally out. Not good for a hard working Punter being ripped off from cheating AFL clubs tanking
Don't back clubs with less than 5 wins ;D
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:rollin Richmond has gone from shocking to outrageous haha dropping Tuck one of the ball magnets of the AFL & strongest body going round
Not honoring Bowden a new contract yet thay keep the likes of Coughlan & Richo broken down & players like JON, Pettifer, Edwards, Shulzs, McMahon oh please
Richmond are a disgrace
Look at how they treat there players what a disgraceful club :lol no wonder no-one wants to play or coach us ;D
Yeah it's such a disgrace that Richmond keep Richo over Bowden when he got more Brownlow votes last year as a 34 year old than Joel Bowden has cumulative for the last 6 years of his career.
As for no one wanting to coach us, we have every single high credentialled assistant coach in the competition applying for our senior role. No one wanting to coach us is what got us Danny Fraudley, that's hardly the case now.
You're a clown, I was tempted to say I'd like some of the drugs that you are clearly on, however if it makes me think like you then I think that's the best case possible for saying sober.
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I think Tigermonk is a little emotional about this! Jade has a whole lot of respect at the club and he is earning more due to the stance he has taken that other coaches in the past either had no balls or players to.
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Yeah it's such a disgrace that Richmond keep Richo over Bowden when he got more Brownlow votes last year as a 34 year old than Joel Bowden has cumulative for the last 6 years of his career.
As for no one wanting to coach us, we have every single high credentialled assistant coach in the competition applying for our senior role. No one wanting to coach us is what got us Danny Fraudley, that's hardly the case now.
You're a clown, I was tempted to say I'd like some of the drugs that you are clearly on, however if it makes me think like you then I think that's the best case possible for saying sober.
Richo got more votes than Bowden cause he deserved them. if you knew anything about Brownlow votes which you clearly dont l will tell you so you will know in the future.
Backmen hardly cummilate Brownlow votes from Umpires being defenders, its a clear fact
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I think Tigermonk is a little emotional about this! Jade has a whole lot of respect at the club and he is earning more due to the stance he has taken that other coaches in the past either had no balls or players to.
l'm not emotional, l'm very angry that Richmond keep injured & crap players but donot reward the players who have been loyal & played thier guts out
many on our list would go before Joel like Nathan Brown who's always broken but a fit Bowden gets axed before him.
Bowden has given more service than Brown, Pettifer, Johnson thank god his gone, and many others, he should have been playing seniors this week & be rewarded for his game for Coburg like Rawlings promised he would play those who earned it, But what do they do ? they give Nathan Brown a game before him or pattison Edwards please & others.
Richmond treat thier players badly & show no respect or loyalty & thats a huge problem. Wait till Deledio walks out cause his asking huge money & clubs are after him. watch this space.
As for yes man Rawlings his only caretaker because his a yes man & was the only one willing to lose games.
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If Rawlings was the only one willing to lose games, why out of the 5 matches he's coached so far has he won 1 and drawn 1?
As for backmen hardly getting Brownlow votes, that's true to a degree, however defenders who get as much of the ball as Joel Bowden does do still get quite a few votes. Chad Cornes two 500+ disposal seasons have earned him 34 votes. Joel's last two 500+ disposal seasons have earned him 0 votes.
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If Rawlings was the only one willing to lose games, why out of the 5 matches he's coached so far has he won 1 and drawn 1?
As for backmen hardly getting Brownlow votes, that's true to a degree, however defenders who get as much of the ball as Joel Bowden does do still get quite a few votes. Chad Cornes two 500+ disposal seasons have earned him 34 votes. Joel's last two 500+ disposal seasons have earned him 0 votes.
Imfamy let me tell you
Richmond dont disguise tanking very well. Thats why l been talking about it now for some 8 years.
Coaches can win / draw games & still be tanking. Actual fact is the draw gives them a higher chance of getting the wooden spoon & securing a priority pick.
also give them a better chance of a uncontracted player in the other draft if they get the wooden spoon.
My bet is Richmond are aiming to bottom out & take that wooden spoon this year & l will be very disgusted if they do.
As for Bowden getting Brownlow votes :) well not many Richmond players have ever poled well in his era cause they been hopeless since 1982.
Richo outdid himself last year but whats he done this year, he be lucky to get more votes than Joel in his few games.
Richo gets the chance to go another season & is broken & older & cant kick for poo while Joel gets shafted for his loyalty, hows that work.
now that stinks & Gary march should be over-thrown cause he one of the biggest dicks the club has ever had run RFC
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Well Tuck got dropped and the sky didn't fall.
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So much for Rawlings being the only one willing to lose games
Still sticking with that theory Tigermonk?
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Well Tuck got dropped and the sky didn't fall.
LOL it sure didnt.
Against a very good midfield led by Watson and Stanton our boys shone. Cuz blew me away yesterday, absolute brilliance, a few weeks ago he picked up cheap possies and sold team mates into trouble, but against the bummers he handed them a football lesson.
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So much for Rawlings being the only one willing to lose games
Still sticking with that theory Tigermonk?
Yes sticking with it. if they lost that game after Essendon was stricken with injury there would have been questions asked.
Same against Kangaroos who were injury depleted yet rose from 42 points down to nearly steal the game.
AFL is watching Richmond very closely & have a investigation going on about serveral issues. Stay Tuned it might bite us come draft time.
Remember what happened to Carlton ;D
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Tigermonk...the investigation has nothing to do with tanking...it has to do with player payments under a previous administration..be fair when you post something....its misleading to do so otherwise...
As for taking hard earnt punters money...i think the Tigers delivered for you yesterday...they won and played a good brand of footy..exciting, straight and direct in attack, strong defensively, clogged up the wings and the corridor when essendon were attacking...good gameplan from Rawlings...and even better execution from the players...
Oh by the way, we also had 71 tackles that has to be about the highest we have had in ages...or close too anyway...
71 tackles is NOT a team that is tanking....it is a team implementing a more defensive gameplan...and kicking 100+ points on the way...
Sorry if the win spoilt your weekend and theories...
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Tigermonk...the investigation has nothing to do with tanking...it has to do with player payments under a previous administration..be fair when you post something....its misleading to do so otherwise...
As for taking hard earnt punters money...i think the Tigers delivered for you yesterday...they won and played a good brand of footy..exciting, straight and direct in attack, strong defensively, clogged up the wings and the corridor when essendon were attacking...good gameplan from Rawlings...and even better execution from the players...
Oh by the way, we also had 71 tackles that has to be about the highest we have had in ages...or close too anyway...
71 tackles is NOT a team that is tanking....it is a team implementing a more defensive gameplan...and kicking 100+ points on the way...
Sorry if the win spoilt your weekend and theories...
As l said they have several issues they are looking at the AFL.
l didnot punt on Richmond this weekend nor will l again this year cause they tank & betting should be banned on all Richmond games.
As l said the AFL are watching them closely now since Wallace made a idiot of himself.
l had a good weekend thanks
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And they might as well watch Freo, West Coast and Melbourne from here on in because they will be doing the same. Although Mark Harvey will probably stuff it up/. ;D
And since tanking doesn't exist according to the AFL, why are they looking for it? :P
Not sure who's information you're riding on here but it's rubbish.
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Tigermonk...the investigation has nothing to do with tanking...it has to do with player payments under a previous administration..be fair when you post something....its misleading to do so otherwise...
As for taking hard earnt punters money...i think the Tigers delivered for you yesterday...they won and played a good brand of footy..exciting, straight and direct in attack, strong defensively, clogged up the wings and the corridor when essendon were attacking...good gameplan from Rawlings...and even better execution from the players...
Oh by the way, we also had 71 tackles that has to be about the highest we have had in ages...or close too anyway...
71 tackles is NOT a team that is tanking....it is a team implementing a more defensive gameplan...and kicking 100+ points on the way...
Sorry if the win spoilt your weekend and theories...
As l said they have several issues they are looking at the AFL.
l didnot punt on Richmond this weekend nor will l again this year cause they tank & betting should be banned on all Richmond games.
As l said the AFL are watching them closely now since Wallace made a idiot of himself.
l had a good weekend thanks
Andy D said for anyone who thinks tanking exists, watch the Richmond - Essendon game and then come back to him and tell him the tigers tank, so I think we are in the clear . . . ;D
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Andy D has little Shepard Dog that does his dirty work who is snoopy around ;D
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l didnot punt on Richmond this weekend nor will l again this year cause they tank & betting should be banned on all Richmond games.
As l said the AFL are watching them closely now since Wallace made a idiot of himself.
Well if we are tanking we suck at it bigtime.
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I couldn't find this on the web so I scanned it in...
Dumbstruck about Tuck
By Chris de Kretser and Daryl Timms
Wed 12 AUG 2009, Page 073
RICHMOND midfielder Shane Tuck must look in the mirror every morning and wonder what he's done wrong.
While the Tigers are well known for making some dumb decisions, the axing of Tuck before the Round 17 game against Essendon must rank as one of their dumbest.
There is no swagger in Tuck's walk and nor does he talk the talk, but he is a strong-bodied player who chalked up 104 consecutive games before caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, and presumably others at Punt Rd, took a dislike to his game.
The round in which he was dropped, he featured in the AFL Record, where his feats in the past five games, plus his performance against the Bombers in Round 9, were highlighted.
Tuck was headed for another lofty finish in the best-and-fairest before his career was derailed and he was banished to the Coburg Tigers. He finished runner-up last season and was third in 2005 and 2007. And he was 10th in 2006.
All this in four full seasons of football when he just seemed to be getting better.
When he was dropped, Tuck was leading Richmond in almost all key indicators.
He was No. 1 in disposals, hardball gets and contested possessions, and second in handballs received and uncontested possessions.
He had also laid the third-most tackles. His 121 hardball gets were the most in the AFL.
After the Tigers copped a nine-goal shellacking against Sydney at the MCG on Sunday, Rawlings spoke of the club's losing culture and lashed his players for being selfish and unwilling to help teammates in a challenge.
If ever the team needed a player like Tuck, it was against the Swans.
Sure, Tuck is no Chris Judd and has his flaws, like most mortals, but he doesn't deserve to have his career killed off by someone who may not be at the club next season.
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I couldn't find this on the web so I scanned it in...
Dumbstruck about Tuck
By Chris de Kretser and Daryl Timms
Wed 12 AUG 2009, Page 073
RICHMOND midfielder Shane Tuck must look in the mirror every morning and wonder what he's done wrong.
While the Tigers are well known for making some dumb decisions, the axing of Tuck before the Round 17 game against Essendon must rank as one of their dumbest.
There is no swagger in Tuck's walk and nor does he talk the talk, but he is a strong-bodied player who chalked up 104 consecutive games before caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, and presumably others at Punt Rd, took a dislike to his game.
The round in which he was dropped, he featured in the AFL Record, where his feats in the past five games, plus his performance against the Bombers in Round 9, were highlighted.
Tuck was headed for another lofty finish in the best-and-fairest before his career was derailed and he was banished to the Coburg Tigers. He finished runner-up last season and was third in 2005 and 2007. And he was 10th in 2006.
All this in four full seasons of football when he just seemed to be getting better.
When he was dropped, Tuck was leading Richmond in almost all key indicators.
He was No. 1 in disposals, hardball gets and contested possessions, and second in handballs received and uncontested possessions.
He had also laid the third-most tackles. His 121 hardball gets were the most in the AFL.
After the Tigers copped a nine-goal shellacking against Sydney at the MCG on Sunday, Rawlings spoke of the club's losing culture and lashed his players for being selfish and unwilling to help teammates in a challenge.
If ever the team needed a player like Tuck, it was against the Swans.
Sure, Tuck is no Chris Judd and has his flaws, like most mortals, but he doesn't deserve to have his career killed off by someone who may not be at the club next season.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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That is one of the best articles l read this year. He would be clearly winning the B&F up to this stage of being dropped.
Rawlings is as dumb as Lolo Ferrari ;D
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Hes not a star but hes definately in our clubs top 22 at the moment. Rawlings should bring him back.
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his a midfielder who puts on blocks for players like Cousins, Cotchin, Foley, Deledio.
without this types of players our midfielders are shut down. Kane Johnson was in the same role. you must have them.
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his a midfielder who puts on blocks for players like Cousins, Cotchin, Foley, Deledio.
without this types of players our midfielders are shut down. Kane Johnson was in the same role. you must have them.
Ahhhhhh The Caretaker coach knows better :banghead :banghead
The last two weeks show his real ability as a coach.
there will be a few players absolutely filthy down there at present, Tuck being one of them
I am all for playing the kids, but play them with the senior players, not spastics like McMahon etc
You must have the right blend/mix eg You cant play 2 young ruckman in the same team etc
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If he had of kept him in the ones they would have got Stkilda'a or Sydneys 1st round pick I reckon if they wanted to trade him.
Must bring him back.
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na come on guys Jade the tool head knows better
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If he had of kept him in the ones they would have got Stkilda'a or Sydneys 1st round pick I reckon if they wanted to trade him.
Must bring him back.
GREAT POINT, Little vision at Punt Road.
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You can thank Wayne Campbell for Tuck being dropped.I have it on good authority.
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Tuck should definitely be playing
Even if he's not part of the future, dropping him just harms his trade value
If it's Wayne Campbell who's to blame then it just adds one more reason why I don't want Campbell at the RFC
Hardly surprising that Cambell would cut such a tough hard at it player when he was and always will be a squib
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Tuck should definitely be playing
Even if he's not part of the future, dropping him just harms his trade value
If it's Wayne Campbell who's to blame then it just adds one more reason why I don't want Campbell at the RFC
Hardly surprising that Cambell would cut such a tough hard at it player when he was and always will be a squib
Squib hey ?? :banghead
You must be joking
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Tough nut and good in close ballwinner but ordinary footskills often bombing the footy often with little thought, not overtly quick, and a defensive side that is average at best which apparently is why he was dropped (often failing to shepherd although not on his own there at Punt Rd). Tucky would be useful in a good side as a relieving insider midfielder but for us he's a leading 1st tier midfielder and not good enough for that role if we are to go anywhere in the future. At 27 he's not going to be in our best 22 when our young list starts to peak in 3-4 years time. If another club offered a decent pick in exchange I'd consider a trade. Sheesh if McMahon has trade value ??? then Tucky should have a number of clubs knocking down our door for his services.
If he had of kept him in the ones they would have got Stkilda'a or Sydneys 1st round pick I reckon if they wanted to trade him.
Must bring him back.
The Saints' first rounder is for Jordie ;D.
Imagine trading Tucky and Jordie and ending up with picks 3, 7, 17, 20, 36, 52, ... :o. Where do we sign!
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You can thank Wayne Campbell for Tuck being dropped.I have it on good authority.
Campbell had nothing to do with Tucks dropping ;D
its was Jades call
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You can thank Wayne Campbell for Tuck being dropped.I have it on good authority.
Campbell had nothing to do with Tucks dropping ;D
its was Jades call
Yes.Jade and the selection committee ultimately have the final say on who is in and out.But according to Tucky's mother at Coburg last Saturday, Campbell, in his role as midfield coach, lobbied very hard behind the scenes to have Tuck dropped, telling all and sundry that he didn't rate him. He then had the audacity to text Tuck before his first game at Coburg, wishing him luck, and hoping he could fight his way back into the seniors. You can believe that if you want. Or write it off as a whinge from a mother whose boy was dropped.
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Yes.Jade and the selection committee ultimately have the final say on who is in and out.But according to Tucky's mother at Coburg last Saturday, Campbell, in his role as midfield coach, lobbied very hard behind the scenes to have Tuck dropped, telling all and sundry that he didn't rate him. He then had the audacity to text Tuck before his first game at Coburg, wishing him luck, and hoping he could fight his way back into the seniors. You can believe that if you want. Or write it off as a whinge from a mother whose boy was dropped.
Dont beleive a word & doubt that came from Faye's mouth.
its Rawlings call to make the stupid decisions that backfire on him
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She was talking to my mate for a long time and I was standing only 5 metres away. I know what I heard.
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She was talking to my mate for a long time and I was standing only 5 metres away. I know what I heard.
only 5 metres away gee she must have been ranting old Faye :rollin ;D
lucky you never got close to her she might have started swinging
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She was talking to my mate for a long time and I was standing only 5 metres away. I know what I heard.
Is this mate you know who RR? :shh
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She was talking to my mate for a long time and I was standing only 5 metres away. I know what I heard.
Is this mate you know who RR? :shh
Nope! About 50 years younger :)
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Tuck should definitely be playing
Even if he's not part of the future, dropping him just harms his trade value
If it's Wayne Campbell who's to blame then it just adds one more reason why I don't want Campbell at the RFC
Hardly surprising that Cambell would cut such a tough hard at it player when he was and always will be a squib
you dont watch much football if you think Campbell never got his own ball
Gee you make some real stupid comments on past players who have clearly proven themselves as players in the AFL
5 times Richmond best & fairest winner of the club & you calling him a squib, your a low moron
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TRADE
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Rawlings silent on Tuck
richmondfc.com.au
By Matt Burgan Fri 14 August, 2009
RICHMOND coach Jade Rawlings won't disclose why midfielder Shane Tuck, who has been recalled for Saturday's clash against Collingwood at the MCG, was recently dropped.
Externally the omission of Tuck came as a surprise. But Rawlings, who said Tuck had since been excellent for the Coburg Tigers in the VFL, was adamant he would not discuss the issues surrounding his relegation.
"It wasn't easy to drop him, because he's actually a really good person and I played with him at Hawthorn, so I've known him for a long time," Rawlings said at Punt Rd on Friday.
"He's gone back with a fantastic attitude and tried to put in place the things we've asked him to improve on."
Rawlings said the Richmond fans could draw their own conclusions about why Tuck was initially dropped.
"I'm not going to talk about Shane's deficiencies through the media," he said.
Rawlings praised another recalled Tiger, two-time Jack Dyer medallist Joel Bowden, who will play his last match against the Pies.
"He's been an outstanding contributor to the footy club. He's Richmond through and through," he said.
"The players hold him in high regard as do the whole footy club, so we'll go about it in a reasonable way internally and acknowledge what he's done and then he has his testimonial to follow up tomorrow night. So it'll be good to go to that function after a win."
Rawlings believes the players will respond well after a last round's 55-point loss to the Sydney Swans at the MCG.
"I can only go on their attitudes at the meetings, but they're in no uncertain terms about where we sit as a team at the moment," he said.
"We've been trying to make some changes in how they approach their footy and how they actually perform on match day, so it's a work in progress.
"It's a matter of how you bounce back."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/82719/default.aspx
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"I can only go on their attitudes at the meetings,
WTF?
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"I can only go on their attitudes at the meetings,
WTF?
I think Jade likes the sound of his own voice, ::)
I think the club should ban him from opening his mouth again.
He dont make any sense and he is starting to talk dribble.
We dont ever want to hear him say again, I love this group of players and I love coaching, its aint about you pal.
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can understand why our youngsters never developed under the assistant coaches :chuck
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It's a BF rumour so make of it what you will but it says Tuck is unhappy and wants to leave
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15662110&postcount=1
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if the tuck thing is true
he shoudl remember that ricmhond is the one that gave him a chance to play footy, if richmond didnt pick him up we would've never of heard of shane tuck :)
he shoudl be happy
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Funny things rumours
;)
And this one is very funny
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There is the infamous ;) WP must know something! I does it mean he doesnt know anything? Im confused, too many ;)'s!
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There is the infamous ;) WP must know something! I does it mean he doesnt know anything? Im confused, too many ;)'s!
Do I know something ;)
Perhaps so ;)
or perhaps not ;)
and you can never have too many ;)'s
But on this I know nuffink ;) just thought it was funny as many rumours usually are ;D
:thumbsup :thumbsup
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There is the infamous ;) WP must know something! I does it mean he doesnt know anything? Im confused, too many ;)'s!
Do I know something ;)
Perhaps so ;)
or perhaps not ;)
and you can never have too many ;)'s
But on this I know nuffink ;) just thought it was funny as many rumours usually are ;D
:thumbsup :thumbsup
Just as i thought ;)
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another that will have his name thrown on the table. :rollin
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am a bit peed off that everyone has taken my trademark winks. ;) ;) ;)
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From Greg Denham in today's Australian...
RICHMOND ..... are open to facilitating a trade for midfielder Shane Tuck, who is contracted to Punt Road next year.
The moves come after having already cleaned out seven of this year's starting list, with more players set to depart under new coach Damien Hardwick.
Already gone or about to be delisted are Kane Johnson, Joel Bowden, Nathan Brown, Kayne Pettifer, Mark Coughlan, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls and Cleve Hughes. And, as revealed in yesterday's The Australian, Andrew Raines will be traded to Brisbane next month in return from a third-round national draft selection from the Lions.
Tuck, 28, is contracted for another year, but his manager Liam Pickering has been told by the Tigers that they would prefer to trade him next month.
Tuck's fall from grace has been sudden, given that between the start of 2005 and round 16 this year, he played 104 games in succession.
After spending three weeks in the VFL under caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, he was recalled for Richmond's final three games of the season.
Tuck has finished in the top three of Richmond's best-and-fairest award three times, and was runner-up to Brett Deledio last year.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26055343-5013406,00.html
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RICHMOND ..... are open to facilitating a trade for midfielder Shane Tuck, who is contracted to Punt Road next year.
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Tuck, 28, is contracted for another year, but his manager Liam Pickering has been told by the Tigers that they would prefer to trade him next month.
Well well I read early this week on another thread that Tuck was unhappy and wanted out
This contridicts that doesn't it...... ;) ;)
Told ya it was funny ;) ;)
Not saying I agree ... but I suppose we have to try and trade someone that has some currency
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Tuck and 44 for Ports pick 8 or Tuck and 44 for Burgoyne.
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Tuck and 44 for Ports pick 8 or Tuck and 44 for Burgoyne.
Prefer Salopek.
Burgoyne is too old for us.
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RICHMOND ..... are open to facilitating a trade for midfielder Shane Tuck, who is contracted to Punt Road next year.
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Tuck, 28, is contracted for another year, but his manager Liam Pickering has been told by the Tigers that they would prefer to trade him next month.
Well well I read early this week on another thread that Tuck was unhappy and wanted out
This contridicts that doesn't it...... ;) ;)
Told ya it was funny ;) ;)
Not saying I agree ... but I suppose we have to try and trade someone that has some currency
Gotta love the double ;)
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Tuck & McMahon to St Kilda for Pick 17
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Tuck & McMahon to St Kilda for Pick 17
Don't think St Kilda would want Tucky.
Good move though to put him up for trade IMHO. Little bit surprising as you might have thought he played in the tough ball winning style that Hardwick wants all of our players to develop...
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Sadly i agree with the decision to trade Tucky. He has been a great asset to the club but i just dont think he has what it takes to help us the next era(especially at 28 years of age), what ever that is!
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................... or Tuck and 44 for Burgoyne.
Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pick only please, if we are going to do another rebuild might as well do it properly
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Perhaps Hawthorn, to bringing back a son of a great after making the initial mistake of delisting him early and to add additional hardness around the contests which along with their defense has been missing this year, could trade for Tuck.
I think this is the correct call. Tuck is a great player which gives him some currency but he is 28 which means he will not be there if and when the rest of the list is ready. When Tuck was absent we did not seem to miss him as much as I thought we would when the initial decision to drop him was made. Tucky is great at clearances but more often than not it is through slapping the ball on his boot and just moving it forward which is not always to our benefit.
I would have thought that Tucky's style of play with his attack on the ball and strength around the contest would have fitted Hardwick's game plan but obviously it is time to make the hard calls and Tuck's age is the biggest factor coupled with his trade value.
Hardwick and the Match Committee are making the hard calls which, regardless of my personal opinion of players, I am very pleased we are finally making.
Stripes
Stripes
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From Greg Denham in today's Australian...
RICHMOND ..... are open to facilitating a trade for midfielder Shane Tuck, who is contracted to Punt Road next year.
The moves come after having already cleaned out seven of this year's starting list, with more players set to depart under new coach Damien Hardwick.
Already gone or about to be delisted are Kane Johnson, Joel Bowden, Nathan Brown, Kayne Pettifer, Mark Coughlan, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls and Cleve Hughes. And, as revealed in yesterday's The Australian, Andrew Raines will be traded to Brisbane next month in return from a third-round national draft selection from the Lions.
Tuck, 28, is contracted for another year, but his manager Liam Pickering has been told by the Tigers that they would prefer to trade him next month.
Tuck's fall from grace has been sudden, given that between the start of 2005 and round 16 this year, he played 104 games in succession.
After spending three weeks in the VFL under caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, he was recalled for Richmond's final three games of the season.
Tuck has finished in the top three of Richmond's best-and-fairest award three times, and was runner-up to Brett Deledio last year.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26055343-5013406,00.html
Greg Denham on SEN said the swans appear to be interested in Tuck.
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Greg Denham on SEN said the swans appear to be interested in Tuck.
Reckon that would be a good fit on the small SCG plenty of contested situations and Sydney needing an in and under type.
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Interesting that no one has jumped on here yet proclaiming this as a terrible decision .... :o
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It will be a terrible decision if we don't get it right. Probably best case is Tuck and a late pick for a 1st or second rounder at the least. What Picks do the Swans have.
Love Tucky and the way he goes about it and it is a shock, seeing that he would be of the type Hardwick would like.
BUT
Tough calls needs to be made for the sake of the club and it's future.
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Interesting that no one has jumped on here yet proclaiming this as a terrible decision .... :o
Thats because its a fantastic decision. They are doing things they have never done before and i take my hat off to them.
Tuck now but surely Schulz is the next to be put up.
No one is safe thanks to Terry and his train wreck
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Interesting that no one has jumped on here yet proclaiming this as a terrible decision .... :o
Tuck now but surely Schulz is the next to be put up.
I hope not. He's my roughie for a big year! :P
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Interesting that no one has jumped on here yet proclaiming this as a terrible decision .... :o
Tuck now but surely Schulz is the next to be put up.
I hope not. He's my roughie for a big year! :P
Jay Schulz is the sunshine sally of the Richmond Football Club. You could have come up with something better as your roughie.
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Interesting that no one has jumped on here yet proclaiming this as a terrible decision .... :o
Tuck now but surely Schulz is the next to be put up.
I hope not. He's my roughie for a big year! :P
Jay Schulz is the sunshine sally of the Richmond Football Club. You could have come up with something better as your roughie.
I'm sure you're correct but I just have a sneaking suspicion that Hardwick may turn around his career.... :-\
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I think it is a bad decision if we end up getting less than a Top 20 draft pick.
Tucky may not be the most skilful player but he is tough, durable and leaves nothing on the park at the end of a game.
That is more than can be said for a number of players not mentioned for trade including Troy Simmonds who has done absolutely nothing to earn another contract.
Forget the notion of team balance and lack of experience in the ruck - we are not expecting to finish higher than bottom 2 or 3 for the next few years so why not just get more miles into the younger key position forwards/rucks.
To me, this sends a mixed message to our playing group.
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Its another good decision. Its a decision that says that Hardwick understands that if your over 25 you probably wont be seeing any success at Richmond any time soon. Tuck carries some currency, he is getting on and Id be happy with a pick in the 20s. Sydneys 2nd rounder would be an exceptional result- Why? Because he is 28, slow, and his disposal skills very average. 1st rounder Id be doing handstands, but alas I cant see it unless we trade Tuck and 1 of 2 3rd rounders for Sydneys 1st round- which Sydney may fall for.
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Given that Sydney have lost experience of Barry and Crouch from down back and lost a bit of height in MOL, I wonder what would happen if we also offered Moore/McGuane. 1st round pick and a player in return? Looking at their list it appears as though there isn't much I would want that they would realistically offer for trade, but maybe someone has been watching the Swans closer than I?
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Cannot see any chance of Tuck ending up back at Hawthorn ;D or should that be ;)
:rollin
and a big NO to Burgoyne
Salopek yep Burgoyne NO
If we trade for players it must only be for blokes under 25
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Given our recent player trade history, Morton excepted, I think it would be unwise to trade for any player. If we do go down that unrewarding road yet again, then I believe we should look for players under 22 (2004 draft age). We have along way to go and we need the players to be young enough to be around if we eventually get there!
Stripes
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this is fantastic for the club and if the deal is done will be a massive step in the right direction.
for years now we have held onto players who are sh.ite or wont be part of our future. Tuck is a descent player who tries bloody hard but has too many flaws and is too old.
Well done Hardwick you have started well but need to keep at it.
McClovin and Schulz should be shown the door next, that should be a no brainer.
you see for those so called experts that loved Wallace, this is what he should've done years ago but didnt do. Hence why we are in this mess
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good call! remember, he is still contracted! so any draft pick we should take! he is not a 1st or 2nd Round pick!
Raines & Tuck = 3rd Round - take it!
not going to get a 2nd Round pick!
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Told ya all there are a few unhappy footballers at Tigerland
Letting Tuck go will be a huge mistake.
The way Rawlings & Richmond officals disrespected some players
We will pay dearly & will suffer for many years :banghead
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We will pay dearly & will suffer for many years :banghead
If Tucky stayed he would probably retire before we are in any shape to play finals. He's no Cousins. We aren't going to suffer for many years.
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Told ya all there are a few unhappy footballers at Tigerland
Letting Tuck go will be a huge mistake.
The way Rawlings & Richmond officals disrespected some players
We will pay dearly & will suffer for many years :banghead
TM i respect you as you post some quality stuff, but Tuck was dropped for being unaccountable and having no concern for his opponents impact on the game.
Sure he hasnt been the only one but he was dropped for the right reasons, if he doesnt like it then he can leave.
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TM i respect you as you post some quality stuff, but Tuck was dropped for being unaccountable and having no concern for his opponents impact on the game.
Sure he hasnt been the only one but he was dropped for the right reasons, if he doesnt like it then he can leave.
Far too much commom sense there TFL :thumbsup
Told ya all there are a few unhappy footballers at Tigerland
Letting Tuck go will be a huge mistake.
The way Rawlings & Richmond officals disrespected some players
We will pay dearly & will suffer for many years :banghead
Based on what TFL has said
Seriously TM if they are unhappy because the onus is being put back on them to start playing accountable team orientated footy then do we really want them?
I don't think dropping someone for not following the team plan is being disrespectful. I see it as making people accountable.
Perhaps if Tezza had been as harsh rather than playing favourites on far to many occassions we just might not be where we are today with so many "unhappy" players
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Told ya all there are a few unhappy footballers at Tigerland
Letting Tuck go will be a huge mistake.
The way Rawlings & Richmond officals disrespected some players
We will pay dearly & will suffer for many years :banghead
Players might be unhappy???
Good. About time the club took back control from these underperforming self indulgent players
Tell them to harden the stuff up, pull their fingers out, stop thinking it is all just about them and play some hard accountable football for once (or better for 88 quarters in a row)
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Told ya all there are a few unhappy footballers at Tigerland
Letting Tuck go will be a huge mistake.
The way Rawlings & Richmond officals disrespected some players
We will pay dearly & will suffer for many years :banghead
Players might be unhappy???
Good. About time the club took back control from these underperforming self indulgent players
Tell them to harden the eff up, pull their fingers out, stop thinking it is all just about them and play some hard accountable football for once (or better for 88 quarters in a row)
Exactly. Our players have basically no right to speak at the minute. No more hiding behind Terry Wallace's skirt.
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Cannot see any chance of Tuck ending up back at Hawthorn ;D or should that be ;)
:rollin
and a big NO to Burgoyne
Salopek yep Burgoyne NO
If we trade for players it must only be for blokes under 25
Agree with that post 110%, there's a reason Tuck wasn't persisted with at the Hawks
Have no interest in Burgoyne either, gun player, but not for us. Salopek is one of the best players out of his draft, which doesn't say a great deal about the quality of that draft, but I still think he's a good player.
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Interesting that no one has jumped on here yet proclaiming this as a terrible decision .... :o
Thats because its a fantastic decision. They are doing things they have never done before and i take my hat off to them.
Tuck now but surely Schulz is the next to be put up.
No one is safe thanks to Terry and his train wreck
Schulz will be worth very little but might be part of a deal.
Good move to trade Tucky.
Solid foot soldier but been part of an unsuccessful midfield for many years. Have to change it up.
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Good move by the club. Hopefully the club can shake things up even more and maybe another bigger name can be put up for trade.
Unfortunantely for Tucky a stagnant uninspiring environment with a distinct lack of success has failed him at RFC. Hence he was unable to make the necessary refinements to his game. Solid player but that's about it. Good luck in the future Tucky.
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Hardwick needs to continue to swing the chainsaw. Hes sacked quite afew and he needs to keep sacking. The more that end up at Centrelink the better. Its a shame clubs dont have 200 players on a list, we could have had 1 sacking a day till round 1 of 2010. ;D
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Hardwick needs to continue to swing the chainsaw. Hes sacked quite afew and he needs to keep sacking. The more that end up at Centrelink the better. Its a shame clubs dont have 200 players on a list, we could have had 1 sacking a day till round 1 of 2010. ;D
And if we had tanked we could have had an extra sacking!! ;D ;D ;D
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Hardwick needs to continue to swing the chainsaw. Hes sacked quite afew and he needs to keep sacking. The more that end up at Centrelink the better. Its a shame clubs dont have 200 players on a list, we could have had 1 sacking a day till round 1 of 2010. ;D
And if we had tanked we could have had an extra sacking!! ;D ;D ;D
Thats the spirit smokey. :gotigers
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Finally some professional list management (even if the trade does not eventuate) without the coaching interference !!!!
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Ok, I can see where they are going.
Now do the same with Newman.
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Ok, I can see where they are going.
Now do the same with Newman.
Agree. Send him on his way to another club. We will get a good pick.
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Hardwick needs to continue to swing the chainsaw. Hes sacked quite afew and he needs to keep sacking. The more that end up at Centrelink the better. Its a shame clubs dont have 200 players on a list, we could have had 1 sacking a day till round 1 of 2010. ;D
And if we had tanked we could have had an extra sacking!! ;D ;D ;D
We were chasing a winning mentality for an extra 1.5 wins :P
No surprise Tucky is being shopped around. Realistically we'd probably only get a pick in the 20s for him in a direct swap. Not having that priority pick in the top 20 hurts.
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And if we had tanked we could have had an extra sacking!! ;D ;D ;D
But if you tell the blokes to play to lose, its harder to find out who is disobeying team rules...
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With Voss believing the Lions need to win more contested footy I wonder if they'd be interested in Tucky. Maybe a combo deal for Tucky and Rainesy.
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With Voss believing the Lions need to win more contested footy I wonder if they'd be interested in Tucky. Maybe a combo deal for Tucky and Rainesy.
Pick 12 and pick 44 with Jed Adcock to boot. :lol
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Pick 12 and pick 44 with Jed Adcock to boot. :lol
I know you're only joking there Tucky but I'd take 12 and 44 if it was offered for Tuck and Raines.
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Richmond midfielder Shane Tuck has agreed to be traded to another club despite being contracted at Punt Road for another year.
Tuck, 28, has had a sudden fall from grace since the departure of previous coach Terry Wallace, given that he played 104 games in succession for the Tigers from the start of 2005 until round 16 this year. He has finished in the top three of Richmond's best-and-fairest award three times, and was runner-up to Brett Deledio last year.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26072790-5013406,00.html
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Will anyone want him though for a pick of worth?
I wouldn't take anything less than a pick in the second round for Tuck given Raines is reportedly worth a 3rd round choice.
Stripes
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Richmond midfielder Shane Tuck has agreed to be traded to another club despite being contracted at Punt Road for another year.
Tuck, 28, has had a sudden fall from grace since the departure of previous coach Terry Wallace, given that he played 104 games in succession for the Tigers from the start of 2005 until round 16 this year. He has finished in the top three of Richmond's best-and-fairest award three times, and was runner-up to Brett Deledio last year.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26072790-5013406,00.html
good! hopefully some club is willing to offer any pick!
we should take anything for Tuck!
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I know Tuck has his shortcomings...but why would you trade away a 28 yo with 100 games experience for another kid...so far we have 8 spots on the list (Sugar, Brown, Bowden, Cogs, JON, Raines, Hughes and Pettifer) and with Tuck maybe 9....
In a year in which the draft is compromised...having so many picks doesnt seem to make sense to me...even if we elevate 2 rookies...that still means 7 new kids....unless they trade for a couple of players...Still means say about 5 new kids...
Surely Tuck - age, hardbodied, experience etc -would be better than say another young kid in a compromised draft???
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I know Tuck has his shortcomings...but why would you trade away a 28 yo with 100 games experience for another kid...so far we have 8 spots on the list (Sugar, Brown, Bowden, Cogs, JON, Raines, Hughes and Pettifer) and with Tuck maybe 9....
In a year in which the draft is compromised...having so many picks doesnt seem to make sense to me...even if we elevate 2 rookies...that still means 7 new kids....unless they trade for a couple of players...Still means say about 5 new kids...
Surely Tuck - age, hardbodied, experience etc -would be better than say another young kid in a compromised draft???
i do agree with you "Con65". Tuck is not the first i would trade/delist.
however my personal opinion of him is that he does not run hard offensively and defensively.
Tuck has a beautiful long kick, strong mak, hard body, however i can see why Hardwick would want to off load him.
Richmond needs run threw the midfield. we need midfielders who run all day. Tuck isn't like that.
:)
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Torch...each team needs depth on its list...he is a beautiful long kick...play him in the fwd line..
But for me, with a compromised draft...it doest make sense to cut the list too deep...it cannot be fixed in one draft. Maybe it is because this years draft is not as compromised as next years that they have thought to cut the list deep...9 players gone is alot...with possibly more..who knows..
But rhetorically, why cut Tuck and keep Thomo? Both have a year on their contracts to run...why cut the guy with 100 games under his belt with a great long kick...and keep the other guy who struggled to get a game at port last year and only played the last 2 games this year when in both years ie Port 08 and Tiges 09 the teams were blooding kids...?
Anyway, I presume that the Football Dept know what they are doing...all will become clearer by end of the year.
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But rhetorically, why cut Tuck and keep Thomo? Both have a year on their contracts to run...why cut the guy with 100 games under his belt with a great long kick...and keep the other guy who struggled to get a game at port last year and only played the last 2 games this year when in both years ie Port 08 and Tiges 09 the teams were blooding kids...?
Anyway, I presume that the Football Dept know what they are doing...all will become clearer by end of the year.
Tuck has trade value while Thommo doesn't.
Tuck won't be around when we are pushing for the finals while Thommo, given form, is young enough to still be there.
Tuck is not fast or skillful enough to be an elite midfielder so he will be surpassed by our young mids given time regardless while Thommo still has a chance to better his game.
It's a decision based on realities and the future rather than speculation and the moment.
Stripes
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Tuck has trade value while Thommo doesn't.
Bingo - that's the reality
I would think we have very few on our list (outside the obvious who you wouldn't trade) that have any real currency
I suppose int he end it also depends on what others are prepared to "pay" for him pick wise.
I doubt that we would trade him for the sake of it... say a 3rd rounder, we'd want more than that surely
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He is being offered up for trade, not being delisted. There is a very significant difference and Tuck is by no means gone from our club just yet.
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I know Tuck has his shortcomings...but why would you trade away a 28 yo with 100 games experience for another kid...so far we have 8 spots on the list (Sugar, Brown, Bowden, Cogs, JON, Raines, Hughes and Pettifer) and with Tuck maybe 9....
In a year in which the draft is compromised...having so many picks doesnt seem to make sense to me...even if we elevate 2 rookies...that still means 7 new kids....unless they trade for a couple of players...Still means say about 5 new kids...
Surely Tuck - age, hardbodied, experience etc -would be better than say another young kid in a compromised draft???
Agree, this is one point I have been making all along while reading the continual posts about trade, delistings, draft picks, recruiting etc... We CAN'T keep trying to trade or de-list all players over 24 years old or not bothering to recruit players over that age. Gee some of you whinged last year because we went so bad, if we get rid of too many more in that age bracket I think the moderators had better harden up a bit next year because there is going to be some crap going on, on this forum.. :whistle
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He is being offered up for trade, not being delisted. There is a very significant difference and Tuck is by no means gone from our club just yet.
thats right, still got a contract with us. just hope their is a trade.
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I couldn't find this on the web so I scanned it in...
Tuck's trade shock
By Jon Ralph
Wed 16 SEP 2009, Page 74
RICHMOND midfielder Shane Tuck says he is determined to extend his career at a rival club after confirming the Tigers want to trade him.
The 27-year-old son of AFL games record-holder Michael yesterday spoke of his shock at being told by the club he was no longer a required player.
Tuck, leading the AFL in hardball gets and second in contested possessions mid-year, was on the outer at Richmond as soon as caretaker coach Jade Rawlings took over.
New coach Damien Hardwick is ringing the changes, with up to a dozen players set to be moved on.
It comes with confirmation Rawlings and fellow assistant Craig McRae have both accepted coaching roles with Brisbane Lions next year.
They will join the growing exodus of coaches and players at the Tigers, with assistants Brian Royal and David King also having departed.
Only midfield coach Wayne Campbell remains of this year's six-man team.
Former Port Adelaide teammate Brendon Lade is set to be announced as one of Hardwick's assistant coaches in coming days, with Essendon retiree Scott Lucas also linked to the club.
Tuck yesterday told the Herald Sun he was mystified to be moved on so quickly, but optimistic of finding a new home.
"I am only 27 so I think I have at least three years in me,'' he said.
"They are pretty keen to move me on but, with next year on my contract, if I can't find a trade I will probably end up at Coburg so I am happy to be traded.''
The club must honour the last year of Tuck's deal if it cannot find a home for him.
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"They are pretty keen to move me on but, with next year on my contract, if I can't find a trade I will probably end up at Coburg so I am happy to be traded.''
LOL. Talk like that's going to increase his trade value, not that he probably cares too much about that ATM. Interesting that it seems Tuck is NOT the sort of player DH is looking for.
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"They are pretty keen to move me on but, with next year on my contract, if I can't find a trade I will probably end up at Coburg so I am happy to be traded.''
LOL. Talk like that's going to increase his trade value, not that he probably cares too much about that ATM. Interesting that it seems Tuck is NOT the sort of player DH is looking for.
How so? He just wants to go somewhere else to extend his career since we obviously want to get a pick for him so badly. What did you want him to say?
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LOL. Talk like that's going to increase his trade value, not that he probably cares too much about that ATM. Interesting that it seems Tuck is NOT the sort of player DH is looking for.
Think its almost certainly age. If Tucky was 21 he'd be first name on the teamsheet. Fact is he's 28, not going to play in a premiership, not going to improve and has decent trade value.
As an aside, do players with a famous father hold greater trade currency? Raines and Tuck look like they will be picked up, remember D. Bourke the other year somehow getting on the Kangas list, Zantuck was another...
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Didn't Tuckly also have problems following game plans?
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"They are pretty keen to move me on but, with next year on my contract, if I can't find a trade I will probably end up at Coburg so I am happy to be traded.''
LOL. Talk like that's going to increase his trade value, not that he probably cares too much about that ATM. Interesting that it seems Tuck is NOT the sort of player DH is looking for.
How so? He just wants to go somewhere else to extend his career since we obviously want to get a pick for him so badly. What did you want him to say?
Don't stress Davey, there's a reason I put "LOL" at the beginning of my post.
All I meant was a player that expects to play at Coburg next season might be perceived as worth less than a player that expects to be playing seniors. Personally I would think Tuck might be a little bit peeed off ATM and I don't blame him, hence his comment. If we don't find a suitable trade and he does stay I would be surprised if he actually played much for Coburg.
Good luck to him, he should be looking out for himself, and he has my blessing though it is of little worth.
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Didn't Tuckly also have problems following game plans?
Correct
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Didn't Tuckly also have problems following game plans?
Correct
Is that the crap game plans certain people have been opinionating?
Does this preclude Tucky from following good game plans?
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Tuck averaged 24 disposals a game this season so is worth a 2nd round pick in my opinion..
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Didn't Tuckly also have problems following game plans?
Correct
Is that the crap game plans certain people have been opinionating?
Does this preclude Tucky from following good game plans?
No , actually following team rules on the ground
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I, for one would like to see Shane still a Tiger.
So if he goes it would be a disappointment to me.
I like how he can stand up when tackled and this is what we need.
But if he goes I wont like it but will live with it.
What else can I do.
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Makes me think we will definitely be drafting a midfielder with our first choice this year too... :shh
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"They are pretty keen to move me on but, with next year on my contract, if I can't find a trade I will probably end up at Coburg so I am happy to be traded.''
LOL. Talk like that's going to increase his trade value, not that he probably cares too much about that ATM. Interesting that it seems Tuck is NOT the sort of player DH is looking for.
How so? He just wants to go somewhere else to extend his career since we obviously want to get a pick for him so badly. What did you want him to say?
Don't stress Davey, there's a reason I put "LOL" at the beginning of my post.
All I meant was a player that expects to play at Coburg next season might be perceived as worth less than a player that expects to be playing seniors. Personally I would think Tuck might be a little bit peeed off ATM and I don't blame him, hence his comment. If we don't find a suitable trade and he does stay I would be surprised if he actually played much for Coburg.
Good luck to him, he should be looking out for himself, and he has my blessing though it is of little worth.
I'm not stressing, RROFO. I thought "LOL" meant "laugh out loud". ;D :rollin
I reckon he's a bit annoyed too. I'm sure he thinks he's good enough to play seniors, but would be worried about his future beyond on 2010 if he stayed. I'd get out now if I was his age as well.
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I think the fact Campbell is still at the club means he knows he'll be struggling to get a spot in the seniors
Not sure it has anything to do with Hardwick, it seems to be pretty common knowledge that the two don't get on
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I think the fact Campbell is still at the club means he knows he'll be struggling to get a spot in the seniors
Not sure it has anything to do with Hardwick, it seems to be pretty common knowledge that the two don't get on
get your facts right stop spewing rubbish
Rawlings had problems with players who stood up & offered support for Wallace when some players + the ex captain & current captain who wanted him sacked
Thats the reason so many players never got games when in good form & had supporters & media dumbfounded at selections
Is the reason some players are being forced out the door cause they didnot want to play under Rawlings & he didnot have thier support getting the caretaker job as they wanted Wallace to see out his term, The reason some other didnot play when not injured
Campbell stepped out of the coaching race & had nothing to do with the in fighting which l might add is not over. He had nothing to do with Tuck being dropped.
As l said before some players want out cause its not a happy place at Tigerland
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I think the fact Campbell is still at the club means he knows he'll be struggling to get a spot in the seniors
Not sure it has anything to do with Hardwick, it seems to be pretty common knowledge that the two don't get on
get your facts right stop spewing rubbish
Rawlings had problems with players who stood up & offered support for Wallace when some players + the ex captain & current captain who wanted him sacked
Thats the reason so many players never got games when in good form & had supporters & media dumbfounded at selections
Is the reason some players are being forced out the door cause they didnot want to play under Rawlings & he didnot have thier support getting the caretaker job as they wanted Wallace to see out his term, The reason some other didnot play when not injured
Campbell stepped out of the coaching race & had nothing to do with the in fighting which l might add is not over. He had nothing to do with Tuck being dropped.
As l said before some players want out cause its not a happy place at Tigerland
TM not disputing what you've said above but if you search through some old posts about Coburg games you will find that someone posted about the "alleged" problems between Campbell & Tuck, hence where these rumours regarding Tuck & Campbell not getting along started.... :thumbsup
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I think the fact Campbell is still at the club means he knows he'll be struggling to get a spot in the seniors
Not sure it has anything to do with Hardwick, it seems to be pretty common knowledge that the two don't get on
get your facts right stop spewing rubbish
Rawlings had problems with players who stood up & offered support for Wallace when some players + the ex captain & current captain who wanted him sacked
Thats the reason so many players never got games when in good form & had supporters & media dumbfounded at selections
Is the reason some players are being forced out the door cause they didnot want to play under Rawlings & he didnot have thier support getting the caretaker job as they wanted Wallace to see out his term, The reason some other didnot play when not injured
Campbell stepped out of the coaching race & had nothing to do with the in fighting which l might add is not over. He had nothing to do with Tuck being dropped.
As l said before some players want out cause its not a happy place at Tigerland
Not sure about this being correct!
Jade has left, was always likely to and yet was still allowed to make the call on Tuckys career?
I am also surprised that Jade had the power to make the the decision to play him at Coburg above all the other selection staff and Footy department?
I think this decision was made by the CLUB or Hardwick and you are still trying to put the blame on a Caretaker coach who has left as he is now gone and has no chance to defene himself!
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I think the fact Campbell is still at the club means he knows he'll be struggling to get a spot in the seniors
Not sure it has anything to do with Hardwick, it seems to be pretty common knowledge that the two don't get on
get your facts right stop spewing rubbish
Rawlings had problems with players who stood up & offered support for Wallace when some players + the ex captain & current captain who wanted him sacked
Thats the reason so many players never got games when in good form & had supporters & media dumbfounded at selections
Is the reason some players are being forced out the door cause they didnot want to play under Rawlings & he didnot have thier support getting the caretaker job as they wanted Wallace to see out his term, The reason some other didnot play when not injured
Campbell stepped out of the coaching race & had nothing to do with the in fighting which l might add is not over. He had nothing to do with Tuck being dropped.
As l said before some players want out cause its not a happy place at Tigerland
Not sure about this being correct!
Jade has left, was always likely to and yet was still allowed to make the call on Tuckys career?
I am also surprised that Jade had the power to make the the decision to play him at Coburg above all the other selection staff and Footy department?
I think this decision was made by the CLUB or Hardwick and you are still trying to put the blame on a Caretaker coach who has left as he is now gone and has no chance to defene himself!
Can tell you its true,
Jades decision to drop Tuck when his form was good, really touched a nerve. The fact the selection panel let it happen & left him out after a good game made it even more bitter.
One of the reasons Rawlings moved on because he didnot have the support of the players & some made it known.
WP l seen that thread & its just a big rumour :thumbsup
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Let's hope Tuck polls well in the B&F. Might get his trade value up a bit. ;)
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Just seems too far fetched TM.
It's stuff like that infuriates me and just shows what a rabble we are on and off field.
I can only hope Dimma can get the players doing what he wants and not what they want.
Still Tucky needs to be moved on regardless due to his age and prospective tradeability. I would hate to think Dimma puts in the hard yards only for Campo to be pulling stings behind the scenes with the players.
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I like Tuck and would love to see him with us next year, but if he has to go. The ones in charge know more than me. So who am I to agrue over it
So if it happens so be it. And then lets hope we can get a good trade for him.
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Let's hope Tuck polls well in the B&F. Might get his trade value up a bit. ;)
A 7th place finish should help you would think.
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A suggested trade scenario on BF's trading board. Thoughts?
Richmond give - Tuck & 44
Richmond receive - pick 23
WCE give - Seaby
WCE receive - pick 39
Sydney give - 23 & 39
Sydney receive - Tuck, Seaby & 44.
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A suggested trade scenario on BF's trading board. Thoughts?
Richmond give - Tuck & 44
Richmond receive - pick 23
WCE give - Seaby
WCE receive - pick 39
Sydney give - 23 & 39
Sydney receive - Tuck, Seaby & 44.
Think Tuck is worth more than that. Also if we are delisting more players than we will want to make sure we aren't doing pick + players for a pick.
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A suggested trade scenario on BF's trading board. Thoughts?
Richmond give - Tuck & 44
Richmond receive - pick 23
WCE give - Seaby
WCE receive - pick 39
Sydney give - 23 & 39
Sydney receive - Tuck, Seaby & 44.
Tuck and 51 would be fairer
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A suggested trade scenario on BF's trading board. Thoughts?
Richmond give - Tuck & 44
Richmond receive - pick 23
WCE give - Seaby
WCE receive - pick 39
Sydney give - 23 & 39
Sydney receive - Tuck, Seaby & 44.
this would be good!
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A suggested trade scenario on BF's trading board. Thoughts?
Richmond give - Tuck & 44
Richmond receive - pick 23
WCE give - Seaby
WCE receive - pick 39
Sydney give - 23 & 39
Sydney receive - Tuck, Seaby & 44.
Tuck and 51 would be fairer
If we were to get another pick for Jordie (Saints 3rd rounder #49 ) then yep GB pick 51 would be okay to trade away given we wouldn't be using it anyway.
Picks 3, 19, 23, 35, 44, 49 & 67 (Josh Free F/S)
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l prey we dont take Free's son.
It will be another 1 season wonder & another mistake that will put us back more years
His too small body, we always draft runts who get smashed in body on body contests
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l prey we dont take Free's son.
It will be another 1 season wonder & another mistake that will put us back more years
His too small body, we always draft runts who get smashed in body on body contests
Well if he is no bigger than Edwards I agree, we don't need him just like we don't need...... well....... you know..... :whistle
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l prey we dont take Free's son.
It will be another 1 season wonder & another mistake that will put us back more years
His too small body, we always draft runts who get smashed in body on body contests
The knock on him is he's short rather than he's skinny - 176cm, 78kg.
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How many picks under the father/son have actually worked out for us? I can only think of just the one.
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How many picks under the father/son have actually worked out for us? I can only think of just the one.
Richo and Joel were two although we didn't have to give up any picks for them back then. Mark Pitura and David Bourke were flops. Tom Roach was more a political decision at the time to provide the club with a positive news story. He'll probably become a dual VFL premiership player after Friday night. Rainesy wasn't a F/S.
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Could the Dees now be interested in Tuck with McLean leaving.
A bit of inside muscle to help the kids??
Their 3rd rounder would be nice.
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Could the Dees now be interested in Tuck with McLean leaving.
A bit of inside muscle to help the kids??
Their 3rd rounder would be nice.
i wouldn't think so.
who would be interested in Tuck?
is anyone interested?
:)
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Could the Dees now be interested in Tuck with McLean leaving.
A bit of inside muscle to help the kids??
Their 3rd rounder would be nice.
i wouldn't think so.
who would be interested in Tuck?
is anyone interested?
:)
According to Denham on SEN, no-one is interested.
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According to Denham on SEN, no-one is interested.
Really, this puts the club in an awkward position now.
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Plenty of clubs will be interested in Tucky, I'm not convinced we should trade him. A player who is hard at it, consistent, reliable and with good skills are hard to find.
Yes, he has good skills , can mark, kick , run and hanball - just sometimes doesnt make great decisions and chase hard enough from my understanding.
If we dont get a good pick I hope they keep him.
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Can run? Has Tucky ever taken a bounce in his career??
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Can run? Has Tucky ever taken a bounce in his career??
In warm up or during game time?
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According to Denham on SEN, no-one is interested.
Damn! :-\
When Burgoyne, Lovett and possibly Davey on the market then I guess we shouldn't be surprised that Tucky's trade value falls away badly. He's the antithesis of the above 3. One of Tucky's flaws is he is slow and he just throws the ball on his boot when in the midfield. If Tucky stays on then he may become our GC17 out of contract offering. They base the compensation on games played and B&F finishes. Maybe we will get more for him next year.
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I think we will trade Tucky away for far less than what we would normally demand for him. Given the state of the market, the players on offer, the impending threat of year's of compromised drafts and health of our list, I think we will trade Tuck for a 3rd round pick.
Tuck understands that the club is looking to give experience to our young midfielders and that means playing him less in the middle. I can see what the club is trying to engineer - finding talented, skillful, fast and clever ball uses such as Lids and Cotch over good average toilers. Tuck is a great ball winner who is tough, strong, a good mark and kick for goal but he is too slow by foot which means he finds it difficult to find space to depose of the ball. This is why he often slaps the ball onto his foot or handballs blindly. He is also isn't the best decision maker which is why he doesn't hurt opposition teams as much as someone with as many clearances, hardball gets and disposals should.
With Tuck now disillusioned with the club, I think we should take what we can get for him.
Stripes
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After reading what you put down about Tuck, Strips.
I can see the reason why it will happen now.
Though I do still like Tuck and while he is at our club he will remain my favourite player.
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If he can't be traded for anything of worth then I hope we play him all year as a forward and make sure he finishes high in the B&F, then try to shop him to GC17 the following year or let him go as an uncontracted player. That way we may get a decent return from him from the AFL as his constant Top 3 finishes in the B&F and leading stats in the AFL would get him a pretty good compensation pick.
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If he can't be traded for anything of worth then I hope we play him all year as a forward and make sure he finishes high in the B&F, then try to shop him to GC17 the following year or let him go as an uncontracted player. That way we may get a decent return from him from the AFL as his constant Top 3 finishes in the B&F and leading stats in the AFL would get him a pretty good compensation pick.
Agree Infamy. If Rainesy is worth a 3rd round pick then surely Tucky is worth at least a 2nd rounder. If we can't get something decent for him now then there's no point in trading him. We'd be better off waiting to next year as you suggest Infamy and use the compensation system for losing out of contract players to GC17.
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If he can't be traded for anything of worth then I hope we play him all year as a forward and make sure he finishes high in the B&F, then try to shop him to GC17 the following year or let him go as an uncontracted player. That way we may get a decent return from him from the AFL as his constant Top 3 finishes in the B&F and leading stats in the AFL would get him a pretty good compensation pick.
I think Tucky could go alright in the forward line on a flank / pocket.
He is has a bit of Martin Pike or even Max Rooke in him.
Good mark and big for a midfeilder. If he could smash a few more people (ala Rooke / Jackson) it could work
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Campbell stepped out of the coaching race & had nothing to do with the in fighting which l might add is not over. He had nothing to do with Tuck being dropped.
As l said before some players want out cause its not a happy place at Tigerland
Whats the story? Who is fighting who now? Its not over, so whats going on?
Which players disliked Rawlings?
Which players are unhappy?
do tell.
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isnt this deal done yet.
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Robbo on the HUN website now answering questions about trades.
"What should Richmond do? Should they trade Tuck, what could they expect for him? "
Robbo: Tuck is gone, and plenty of interest i understand. He will go around again
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/live-who-should-your-club-trade/story-e6frf9jf-1225780756989?from=public_rss
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Robbo on the HUN website now answering questions about trades.
"What should Richmond do? Should they trade Tuck, what could they expect for him? "
Robbo: Tuck is gone, and plenty of interest i understand. He will go around again
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/live-who-should-your-club-trade/story-e6frf9jf-1225780756989?from=public_rss
Let's hope Robbo is closer to being right than Denham is.
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Pg 115 in the Herald-Sun today says there's little in Tucky....
"Andrew Raines, who has left Richmond, remains on track to join Brisbane. Shane Tuck, another leaving Richmond, has not attracted much interest. "
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Pg 115 in the Herald-Sun today says there's little in Tucky....
"Andrew Raines, who has left Richmond, remains on track to join Brisbane. Shane Tuck, another leaving Richmond, has not attracted much interest. "
Then this now becomes an awkward situation with Tuck disillusioned with the club, the club not seeing him as part of their long term future, Tucky still contracted and no one wants to take him. If he does go now it will be for a much higher pick than what he is worth which makes the whole undertaking meaningless IMHO.
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clubs leaking views to journos is all part of the game. trying to undervalue other clubs players is part of the process. hopefully 1 club makes a decent offer.
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Tuck for fev. Coburg could use him with Schulz gone.
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RICHMOND
Likely to have a quiet week. Already Andrew Raines has departed for Brisbane, but interest in Shane Tuck might come late. It is likely the Tigers will keep their high picks.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/trade-week-day-one/story-e6frf9if-1225783117907
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Mark Doran on SEN just said responding to a Tigers supporter that there's been no interest in Tuck but he could be one of those trades that is done late. If not he stays at Richmond.
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Mark Doran on SEN just said responding to a Tigers supporter that there's been no interest in Tuck but he could be one of those trades that is done late. If not he stays at Richmond.
Play him on the forward line
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Mark Doran on SEN just said responding to a Tigers supporter that there's been no interest in Tuck but he could be one of those trades that is done late. If not he stays at Richmond.
Play him on the forward line
A very reasonable option Mopsy.
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David King tonight was asked why Tucky was being traded. He said Tucky is an "elite" in the comp. for being able to scrap and win the footy but his kicking can let him down. King said he was surprised there was no interest in Tucky and thought the Swans would be one club interested in Tucky. Russell said that he wouldn't have thought Sydney needed another in and under. King replied they're all like that up there.
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For me I would like to see Tuck stay with us and have one hell of a ripper year.
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For me I would like to see Tuck stay with us and have one hell of a ripper year.
Me too bushy!!
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For me I would like to see Tuck stay with us and have one hell of a ripper year.
Me too bushy!!
Make that 3! Why give him away for nothing or next to? :banghead
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give Tuck to Sydney!
take Pick 14!
:)
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give Tuck to Sydney!
take Pick 14!
:)
FFS at least make it realistic.
Tuck for 30-45 would be all I expect.
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There is no interest in forward Nathan Brown, on holiday in America, while Shane Tuck has also drawn no offers from rival clubs.
Tuck is contracted for another year, so will have to take his chances at Richmond and hope Hardwick plays him rather than relegates him to VFL side Coburg.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/troy-symmondss-big-surprise/story-e6frf9jf-1225784565850
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be good news if Tuck stays as his one of the players who puts his body on the line, reckon he would play up a level under a new coach
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If, and I hope he does stay.
I really cant see him in the VFL.
He is a tough no nonsense player that we need in our real team.
Hardwick will know how he gets the job done and will keep him where he is.
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KB just said Richmond has said there's no interest in Tucky
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I think there is still interest in him still at home with a few of us.
So lets hope he reads this and knows he is still wanted by a few.
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I know the old adage of not teaching an old dog new tricks is pretty true but I wonder which way this might move Tuck? Will he see the reasons for what they are and work on the changes required or will he he sulk out his time for 12 months and use it to organize his future?
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I think there is still interest in him still at home with a few of us.
So lets hope he reads this and knows he is still wanted by a few.
About 2% of the Richmond faithful. The rest of the 98% of us would prefer to see him leave.
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Im not so sure on the 2% guess Ramps. (Is there any way of turning this thread into a poll?).
I for one am glad he is staying, yeah sometimes his rushed kicks get rebouned but at least he gets the bloody ball which is better than some of our players who supposedly have better skills. You cant really say for sure cause they dont get it enough, at least he puts his body on the line every time he plays.
You would have to think that he would suit Hardwicks game style with his comments on everyone having to get their own hardball.
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Im not so sure on the 2% guess Ramps. (Is there any way of turning this thread into a poll?).
I for one am glad he is staying, yeah sometimes his rushed kicks get rebouned but at least he gets the bloody ball which is better than some of our players who supposedly have better skills. You cant really say for sure cause they dont get it enough, at least he puts his body on the line every time he plays.
You would have to think that he would suit Hardwicks game style with his comments on everyone having to get their own hardball.
You can get it a million times a match but if you cant kick the footy theres no point. Tuck fills one but not both of Hardwicks requirements.
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I did admit that sometimes his disposal lets him down but it also doesnt matter how good your disposal is if you dont get the ball.
How well do people think he would go in a forward pocket?
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Shane Tuck set to return to Richmond training, weeks after requesting a trade
Jon Ralph From: Herald Sun October 08, 2009 12:00AM Increase
WEEKS after requesting a trade, out-of-favour Richmond midfielder Shane Tuck will next week return to the Tigers hoping to extend his career.
Tuck last month told the club he was desperate for a trade, and while the Tigers shopped him around he did not attract much interest.
Now he must return to pre-season training on Wednesday before playing out the last season of his three-year contract.
Remarkably, Tuck was running fourth in the club's best-and-fairest after Round 16 before he fell out of favour under caretaker coach Jade Rawlings.
Richmond has told Tuck it has not ruled a line through his name at selection under coach Damien Hardwick and will consider him on merit.
Yesterday, Tuck told the Herald Sun he was happy to return to Richmond and hopeful he was not just serving out time at the club.
"The last six games of the season weren't ideal. It hurt me a fair bit," he said.
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"But with the new coach, I have got a clean slate with him. So I have to try to work my butt off over the pre-season and show them I can still be a good AFL player.
"I have always liked playing at Richmond and they are my side, so I am very very happy to be there."
It was a turbulent time for the famous Tuck family with brother Travis also mentioned in trade speculation.
But there was little interest in Tuck, or fellow Kangaroos inside midfielder Daniel Harris, during what was otherwise a hectic trade period.
"I think being an older-type player, no one was really in the market for an inside midfielder," he said.
"I think Daniel is a bit stiff. I feel for him."
Meanwhile, the club is yet to offer Graham Polak a contract or even sit down with him or his manager Paul Connors.
Polak, who fought back to play senior football this year after being hit by a tram, had served out the last year of his contract.
But the Tigers could still offer him a rookie-list position under mooted new rules which will allow mature-aged players to be eligible for positions outside the primary list.
Richmond concedes it has no idea if he can re-emerge as a regular senior player after his recovery from a severe brain injury.
But having already cleaned out a large number of players, it can afford to take the risk and hope he continues his mental and physical improvement.
List manager Craig Cameron will sit down with Connors later this week when both return from holidays.
"When Paul is back, Graham is back and I am back from holidays, we can all sit down and have a chat. Nothing has been presented to Graham yet. We haven't spoken to him formally on it," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/shane-tuck-set-to-return-to-richmond-training-weeks-after-requesting-a-trade/story-e6frf9ix-1225789553341
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As stated on previous threads Tuck could be very valuable playing in the forward line for us as he is generally a reliable kick for goal.
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Well again lets hope he can move on, I just hope he understands that this is his last shot at it, no one other than himself rates himself within the AFL sanctum.
So Tucky lets see you prove them wrong, good luck.
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Shane Tuck set to return to Richmond training, weeks after requesting a trade
Jon Ralph From: Herald Sun 10월 08, 2009
WEEKS after requesting a trade, out-of-favour Richmond midfielder Shane Tuck will next week return to the Tigers hoping to extend his career.
Tuck last month told the club he was desperate for a trade, and while the Tigers shopped him around he did not attract much interest.
Now he must return to pre-season training on Wednesday before playing out the last season of his three-year contract.
Remarkably, Tuck was running fourth in the club's best-and-fairest after Round 16 before he fell out of favour under caretaker coach Jade Rawlings.
Richmond has told Tuck it has not ruled a line through his name at selection under coach Damien Hardwick and will consider him on merit.
Yesterday, Tuck told the Herald Sun he was happy to return to Richmond and hopeful he was not just serving out time at the club.
"The last six games of the season weren't ideal. It hurt me a fair bit," he said.
"But with the new coach, I have got a clean slate with him. So I have to try to work my butt off over the pre-season and show them I can still be a good AFL player.
"I have always liked playing at Richmond and they are my side, so I am very very happy to be there."
It was a turbulent time for the famous Tuck family with brother Travis also mentioned in trade speculation.
But there was little interest in Tuck, or fellow Kangaroos inside midfielder Daniel Harris, during what was otherwise a hectic trade period.
"I think being an older-type player, no one was really in the market for an inside midfielder," he said.
"I think Daniel is a bit stiff. I feel for him."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/shane-tuck-set-to-return-to-richmond-training-weeks-after-requesting-a-trade/story-e6frf9ix-1225789553341
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WEEKS after requesting a trade, out-of-favour Richmond midfielder Shane Tuck will next week return to the Tigers hoping to extend his career.
Very funny stuff "requesting a trade"
Tucky was told he was being put up for trade and they were going to move him...... he then said OK trade me
I am not sure how he was the one making the request..
Anyway nice to see him back, time to move on
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Anyway nice to see him back, time to move on
Yes, we haven't lost anything or gone backwards by him staying. The ball is in his court now to prove he can play to the required standard.
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I am so glad that he is still a Tiger.
And I really hope that he now can really show what he is made of and blitz the feild.
In that I mean getting possessions and doing the right thing with the ball.
And this will hopefully lead him to getting an extended contract.
I can only live in hope.
He is good for us as far as I can see.
So I'm all for him to stay.
Lets see him show that dope Rawlings just how good he is.
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l rate Tuck very highly as a footballer. His body work & desperation to win the ball is second to none. While his kicking has let him down, he is a great kick at goal.
Moving him on would hurt the club as thier aint nobody who does the type of work he does.
He was not the one to ask for a trade, It was the club who told him he would be traded around.
l give huge credit to Tuck returning cause if it was me l would be moving on. You cant tell me other clubs weren't interested in him.
It would have depended on what Richmond was asking that never attracted any deals.
Richmond have a bad habit of shafting players & this is just another bad decision by them. You dont move players on like that who make the top 22.
Thier are plenty who need to go before him like McMuffin the worst turnover king in the AFL ;D
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l rate Tuck very highly as a footballer. His body work & desperation to win the ball is second to none. While his kicking has let him down, he is a great kick at goal.
Moving him on would hurt the club as thier aint nobody who does the type of work he does.
He was not the one to ask for a trade, It was the club who told him he would be traded around.
l give huge credit to Tuck returning cause if it was me l would be moving on. You cant tell me other clubs weren't interested in him.
It would have depended on what Richmond was asking that never attracted any deals.
Richmond have a bad habit of shafting players & this is just another bad decision by them. You dont move players on like that who make the top 22.
Thier are plenty who need to go before him like McMuffin the worst turnover king in the AFL ;D
Tuck and Mclovin both had 1 year deals left on their contracts.
It baffles me that Mclovin's name wasn't bantied around like Tucks was.
First mistake by Hardwick IMO to keep someone that destructive on the list.
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l hope McLovin is left wasting in the VFL on the bench & keep him away from our youngsters on field ;D
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He was not the one to ask for a trade, It was the club who told him he would be traded around.
That's what I said ;D
You cant tell me other clubs weren't interested in him.
Not much interest at all Monk from what's been said
Tuck and Mclovin both had 1 year deals left on their contracts.
It baffles me that Mclovin's name wasn't bantied around like Tucks was.
First mistake by Hardwick IMO to keep someone that destructive on the list.
Firstly daniel just because Jordie's name wasn't in the paper every 2nd day during trade week doesn't mean they didn't try and off load him. Think it's fair to assume NO-ONE wanted him
Secondly, he is contracted to if you can't trade him, you're stuck with him. Hardwick cannot be blamed for making a mistake as he has inherited him because of the contract that was signed just on 2 years ago.
The only thing left now is either we de-list him and pay him out, which they can do but certain things need to fall into place (salary cap, financial impact etc) or put up with him for 2010
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l rate Tuck very highly as a footballer. His body work & desperation to win the ball is second to none. While his kicking has let him down, he is a great kick at goal.
Moving him on would hurt the club as thier aint nobody who does the type of work he does.
He was not the one to ask for a trade, It was the club who told him he would be traded around.
l give huge credit to Tuck returning cause if it was me l would be moving on. You cant tell me other clubs weren't interested in him.
It would have depended on what Richmond was asking that never attracted any deals.
Richmond have a bad habit of shafting players & this is just another bad decision by them. You dont move players on like that who make the top 22.
If players like Tuck are in our best 22 and especially in our top 6 mids then no wonder we are a bottom 2 side and continually get smashed at centre clearances. He's an honest trier, a hardnut, and like his dad his body is resilient given the crash and bash position he plays. However he just throws the ball on his boot without thinking so is an ordinary kick, he's too slow for footy now so gets burnt off on the spread from stoppages by his direct opponent, and he has difficulty following instructions. Unfortunately for us in trade week every other club knew his weaknesses as well and weren't interested at all :-\.
Thier are plenty who need to go before him like McMuffin the worst turnover king in the AFL ;D
True but we couldn't give Jordie away even if we paid another club to do so.
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l rate Tuck very highly as a footballer. His body work & desperation to win the ball is second to none. While his kicking has let him down, he is a great kick at goal.
Moving him on would hurt the club as thier aint nobody who does the type of work he does.
He was not the one to ask for a trade, It was the club who told him he would be traded around.
l give huge credit to Tuck returning cause if it was me l would be moving on. You cant tell me other clubs weren't interested in him.
It would have depended on what Richmond was asking that never attracted any deals.
Richmond have a bad habit of shafting players & this is just another bad decision by them. You dont move players on like that who make the top 22.
If players like Tuck are in our best 22 and especially in our top 6 mids then no wonder we are a bottom 2 side and continually get smashed at centre clearances. He's an honest trier, a hardnut, and like his dad his body is resilient given the crash and bash position he plays. However he just throws the ball on his boot without thinking so is an ordinary kick, he's too slow for footy now so gets burnt off on the spread from stoppages by his direct opponent, and he has difficulty following instructions. Unfortunately for us in trade week every other club knew his weaknesses as well and weren't interested at all :-\.
Thier are plenty who need to go before him like McMuffin the worst turnover king in the AFL ;D
True but we couldn't give Jordie away even if we paid another club to do so.
its obvious you dont rate Tuck MT
but a man who seems to get the ball in the centre & is always on the bottom of packs would tell you his a good reader of the game & his AFL stats clearly showed that before he was shafted seeing your a stats person.
Its time to start blaming some of the other players in the centre who are not consistant players each week
Look at players like Foley, Brown, Deledio, & a few others who should not even be in the centre. King, McMahon :lol who dont work hard enough while Cousins, Tuck, Jackson are doing the work the others are not with it most weeks. Then you can also blame the Ruckmen who have been poor this year. It all mounts up on game day. Most important the gameday coach who plays his players out of position trying to save his ass cause his game plan is wacko
l been watching a few replays & l noticed our players when they dont have the ball run back away from attacking players instead of going at them & forcing a mistake.
You cant win the football or force mistakes if you continuely get pushed backwards & lose 30 metres instead of going at the attacker with preasure.
When opposition teams push forward from centre clearances our whole back 6 are sitting off thier men & if you go to games you clearly see this cause you wont see it on TV
It didnt matter who was coaching, Wallace or Rawlings both duds & aint got a clue anyway how to preasure the opposition, as this is clearly what they think is the way to play.
Staying close to your opponant & put the preasure on him & stopping him from getting clean hands in the contest is better than no contest at all. Newman is a main offender of this.
When your captain is clearly being beaten & scored against it kills the moral in the side. Newman might have played 3 good games all year & dont deserve to be captain in 2010.
l dont rate Foley who might play 2 good games a season. l would trade him at the drop of a hat. Gets pinned most times while at least Tuck gets the ball off when his tackled because he is strong & knows to get his hands up before the tackle & takes a open hit just to keep the ball flowing, but the problem is his teammates aint flowing with him & should be.
If everyone really watched the game Tuck gets caught from behind most times because his teammates dont talk.
If Tucks direct opponant is getting away at the clearances its because Tuck has been in the contest & one of his teammate should read the game better & run with Tucks opponant because you find his is in the contest on top of Tuck.
l know for a fact at centre bounces some teams switch & after they get the clearance & score, they will switch back to thier lining up opponant & thats all he is a lineup opponant.
Some teams have a few quick goals on the board before this is noticed but our coaches never seem to get it right cause they have no idea ;D
So it all boils down that the faults they are making are the BASICS of the game. They cant perform basic tasks of Watching your man, Applying Preasure, Talking Tackling, Handball, Kicking. all in that order. & one that is most important ;D Half of them cant read the game & view thier options upfield because they are always under the pump & make silly mistakes. Why because the other team is applying the preasure.
The result shows on the scoreboard & on the ladder at seasons end & the moral falls & infighting starts ;D result a sacked coach :lol Richmond Football Club ;D
Tuck is not the man who should be copping the flak because Tuck does not get cheap stats. His AFL stats show a hard worker. Yes he does make mistakes but you will find its his teammates who aint talking and are chasing thier opponant because they are always off thier man. Thats why teams move the ball quickly out of the backline against us. But when we kick in from a behind we are manned up & make mistakes, the play always the same. the results always a turnover & a goal.
Tuck would look good in a side like Carlton because Richmond are poo & the players are only there for themsevles to get easy $$$ McMahon on all that money & Cousins a Brownlow medalist / Premiership & ex captain is getting salted peanuts :rollin
l love the Richmond football club but fair dinkum its getting harder each year ;D
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If players like Tuck are in our best 22 and especially in our top 6 mids then no wonder we are a bottom 2 side and continually get smashed at centre clearances. He's an honest trier, a hardnut, and like his dad his body is resilient given the crash and bash position he plays. However he just throws the ball on his boot without thinking so is an ordinary kick, he's too slow for footy now so gets burnt off on the spread from stoppages by his direct opponent, and he has difficulty following instructions. Unfortunately for us in trade week every other club knew his weaknesses as well and weren't interested at all :-\.
Don't forget the handball over his head in the middle of a pack to no-one.
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thats part of his teammates not reading the game, He does it so often you think they would wake up after playing with him all them years.
next question ;D
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When you really look at it we could make a complaint about all our players.
And Tuck is no exception here either, but he does go for the ball a lot more that a few of his team mates.
He deserves to be in the team for his on the ground work he does every week.
Just Rawlings had it in for him.
So its time to move on and pat him on the back instead of stabbing him in the back.
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thats part of his teammates not reading the game, He does it so often you think they would wake up after playing with him all them years.
next question ;D
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Gee some people are hard task masters. Poor old tucky is one of the few people at richmond who repeatedly, week in week out puts his body on the line just to get the pill.
However he just throws the ball on his boot without thinking so is an ordinary kick
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Don't forget the handball over his head in the middle of a pack to no-one.
Thats because a large portion of his posessions are under immense pressure, because he is in the middle of the pack while most of his teamates are waiting for the easy kick, but as monk points out, many of them do not have the awareness that tuck is going to get the ball out of congestion and are not there to back him up.
As for the quick throw the ball to foot under pressure, much better that the quick handball to someone under more pressure many players deliever. How i manage to not throw a stubby at the telly watching players progressively handball to some one in a worse position than them until surprise surprise we have a turnover, is sometimes beyond me. :banghead :banghead
Watch Ling from Geelong, if under the pump he wont handball to some bozo standing still watching the world go by, he throws the ball to boot and moves it forward. The difference is his team mates know what to expect, and have a decent football brain so they are more often than not in a position to take advantage of this (play in front), and also good enough to take advantage. More often than not they will at least bottle it up and start again, 20 meters or so closer to goal. The advantage a kick will always have over a handball is if your teammate marks it, he can than take a possession with no pressure on him.
Yes his kicking can let him down if he is linking up, but by no means is he alone there, and as Tuckerbag says, he is a reliable kick for goal. He gets a lot more possessions in the clinches than out wide anyway.
While it would be nice to have a team of hard at it, bottom of the pack, highly skilled players, it is never going to happen. A player with all those attributes is a real gem, and as rare as one.
If Tucky had been traded two or three years ago to a side that had players capable of capitalising on his hard work, people would be screaming the house down as to why they got rid of him.
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This is really pleasing to see that other from our club are supporting Tuck.
Good on all of you that are doing it.
He will prove to all those that think he should have gone next year, that it would have been a big mistake.
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Gee some people are hard task masters. Poor old tucky is one of the few people at richmond who repeatedly, week in week out puts his body on the line just to get the pill.
However he just throws the ball on his boot without thinking so is an ordinary kick
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Don't forget the handball over his head in the middle of a pack to no-one.
Thats because a large portion of his posessions are under immense pressure, because he is in the middle of the pack while most of his teamates are waiting for the easy kick, but as monk points out, many of them do not have the awareness that tuck is going to get the ball out of congestion and are not there to back him up.
As for the quick throw the ball to foot under pressure, much better that the quick handball to someone under more pressure many players deliever. How i manage to not throw a stubby at the telly watching players progressively handball to some one in a worse position than them until surprise surprise we have a turnover, is sometimes beyond me. :banghead :banghead
Watch Ling from Geelong, if under the pump he wont handball to some bozo standing still watching the world go by, he throws the ball to boot and moves it forward. The difference is his team mates know what to expect, and have a decent football brain so they are more often than not in a position to take advantage of this (play in front), and also good enough to take advantage. More often than not they will at least bottle it up and start again, 20 meters or so closer to goal. The advantage a kick will always have over a handball is if your teammate marks it, he can than take a possession with no pressure on him.
Yes his kicking can let him down if he is linking up, but by no means is he alone there, and as Tuckerbag says, he is a reliable kick for goal. He gets a lot more possessions in the clinches than out wide anyway.
While it would be nice to have a team of hard at it, bottom of the pack, highly skilled players, it is never going to happen. A player with all those attributes is a real gem, and as rare as one.
If Tucky had been traded two or three years ago to a side that had players capable of capitalising on his hard work, people would be screaming the house down as to why they got rid of him.
Top post some very important points made :thumbsup
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While stats dont always tell the whole story, the corrects stats can put things into perspective. These are the top 10 contested possession winners for the year from the AFL website. I added the % contested and % clangers myself.
Name Kicks H/Ball Total Marks Contested %contested % effective clangers %clangers Goals Behinds %goals
Chris Judd 299 280 579 52 238 41.11 70.98 60 10.36 11 18 37.93
Gary Ablett 252 402 654 81 228 34.86 75.54 50 7.65 24 20 51.06
Dane Swan 401 299 700 149 227 32.43 70.71 57 8.14 17 22 37.78
Joel Selwood 277 344 621 95 214 34.46 74.35 53 8.53 10 9 43.48
Shane Tuck 213 310 523 90 201 38.43 69.41 48 9.18 8 3 61.54
Simon Black 230 311 541 59 198 36.6 67.84 73 13.49 10 7 58.82
Aaron
Sandilands 143 205 348 80 197 56.61 70.69 50 14.37 13 8 56.52
Ryan O'Keefe 287 238 525 95 196 37.33 74.86 63 12 13 7 54.17
Matthew
Priddis 199 309 508 55 196 38.58 70.67 46 9.06 6 7 31.58
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its obvious you dont rate Tuck MT
No. Nowhere near a A-grade mid that someone with his possession stats should be. It's all very well to win the ball but it's what you do with it that counts also and also in the modern game how strongly you defend. And yes we seem to have the never-ending conundrum of having too many players on our list who either can win the ball but can't use it effectively OR those that could use it but can't win the ball effectively in the first place to do so.
Using al's list of top contested ballwinner - Who on that list are A-graders? matchwinners? who can't you afford not to tag? Who gives opposition coaches restless nights planning for the upcoming game? Who would other clubs jump at even at the cost of a first round draft pick?
Clearly the answer is NO to all of the above for Tucky. At Richmond - Lids is tagged every week, Foley has been tagged regularly in past, Cuz will at least have a run with player on him. You'd expect Cotch to be tagged when he gets a full preseason under his belt. Opposition coaches don't tag Tucky. They don't care if Tucky gets a heap of footy instead of a Lids say as Tucky doesn't hurt them by foot nor has the speed to break lines and open up the play. He doesn't hurt them where it counts on the scoreboard. Is it Tucky's fault that he is classed as a top 5 mid at Richmond? No. Is it an indictment on the rest of list that he is in our top 5 mids? Yes.
Priddis would be arguably the other B-grader on al's list but he has age on his side that the Eagles have time to add better quality mids around him which is what Worsfold has been building over the past 3 years. At 27 we don't have that time with Tucky as he'll be 30+ by the time our list matures. Tucky was the obvious trade candidate - an expendable mature B-grader. Unfortunately it was the wrong year to do it as other clubs were willing to trade name players with speed and that killed Tucky's trade value. No one was interested in him which shows how little opposition clubs rate Tucky. Hardwick coming from Hawthorn would've known that too. I would have Jacko in tradable category as well but the Club (over)-rates him as well and, like Priddis, Jacko still has age on his side. Others here would have had Foley as trade bait and I can understand that too but at full fitness Foley has been damaging in games with his centre clearance bursts on goal.
I find it odd that people bag the state of our list and yet when the club finally after 5 years attempts to trade an expendable mature age player for a decent pick they don't want to let him go.
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Tuck is a turnover merchant, doesnt look where he kicks it, and he is one of many unfortunately that we have on our list. He, McMahon and the others who will survive this years cut more from good luck than management will be gone at the end of next year. We need to get better players especially in the middle. As long as we have players who turnover the footy we are going nowhere fast as a club.
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Let me tell you this way :banghead
Tuck is a blocker in the midfield & his not meant to get the ball, but because our other midfielders (excluding cousins) no-one is willing to win the hardball
So who gets the hardball its Tuck, the one who is most times getting up off the pack last
Foley is pee weak & waits for other to do the hard stuff & cant read the play most bounces anyway.
He too small to be a midfielder & get pushed off the ball too easy.
Jackson couldnot follow a hen with its head cut off properly, his always standing attack side of the player his tagging why l love to play football on him.
A punch to the kidneys each contest & push him into the contest his a walkover.
God help Richmond if they buy midfielders again because to build a team you need a FF & CHF & a mobile Ruckman who defends & attacks
we got no-one who can dominate them posistions so we must get them this draft
If l was taking anyone l would take Connerly, Butcher, who are both Ruckmen & attacking forwards who drop back & defend when in the ruck
would Put Vickery in the Ruck changing with Connerly at 203cm who is at CHF which enables them to change quickly & Butcher at FF a goalkicker
we have the opertunity to get Connerly in the PSD & take Butcher with our first pick & you have the talls to build around & KPP complete for Ruck & Forwards.
Thursfield at CHB should be right with a preseason & McGuane at FB with them lanky arms become a Gadget ;D that KP backmen complete.
The you put Deledio, Cousins, Tambling Jackson Tuck in the midfield & put the squirts anywhere you want
Wanna kick goals every game add Kingy, Nahas, Foley & Newman in the forward line you got a whole mix of mongrel , speed, snekyness & a boom kicker
The backline you put the new kids on the block & teach them how to come out of the backline playing long direct football instead of this waiting around chip around rubbish
The bench well the others could fight for that but l would have Collins Hislop Post Graham. Richo wouldnot be in my side sorry to say.
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While stats dont always tell the whole story, the corrects stats can put things into perspective. These are the top 10 contested possession winners for the year from the AFL website. I added the % contested and % clangers myself.
Name Kicks H/Ball Total Marks Contested %contested % effective clangers %clangers Goals Behinds %goals
Chris Judd 299 280 579 52 238 41.11 70.98 60 10.36 11 18 37.93
Gary Ablett 252 402 654 81 228 34.86 75.54 50 7.65 24 20 51.06
Dane Swan 401 299 700 149 227 32.43 70.71 57 8.14 17 22 37.78
Joel Selwood 277 344 621 95 214 34.46 74.35 53 8.53 10 9 43.48
Shane Tuck 213 310 523 90 201 38.43 69.41 48 9.18 8 3 61.54
Simon Black 230 311 541 59 198 36.6 67.84 73 13.49 10 7 58.82
Aaron
Sandilands 143 205 348 80 197 56.61 70.69 50 14.37 13 8 56.52
Ryan O'Keefe 287 238 525 95 196 37.33 74.86 63 12 13 7 54.17
Matthew
Priddis 199 309 508 55 196 38.58 70.67 46 9.06 6 7 31.58
Well AL it looks like we got to defend Tuck this year.
& his in for a ripper season :thumbsup
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Tuck is a turnover merchant
Ramps, the stats don't seem to back up that claim, as his percentage of clangers seem to be on par with some of the elite of the comp, unless of course turnovers are not classed as clangers.
This isn't to say he is in their class. As MT points out, what separates tuck from these guys is how damaging they can be with the ball, something stats dont show (except perhaps goal assists).
His percentage of kicks that are effective is also there abouts, except compared to Selwood., O'keefe and Ablett, who are a notch above the rest of the pack here in this list.
While Tuck does not have the class of these guys, through hard work he gets some important statistics on par with them. Is he in the elite of the comp? No, but I dont think any one would try to make that claim. By the same token he is a fair way off being the dud some try to make him out to be.
If he was surrounded by footballers with the nouse and ability to take advantage of his hard work, I doubt this conversation would even take place.
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Tuck is a turnover merchant
Ramps, the stats don't seem to back up that claim, as his percentage of clangers seem to be on par with some of the elite of the comp, unless of course turnovers are not classed as clangers.
This isn't to say he is in their class. As MT points out, what separates tuck from these guys is how damaging they can be with the ball, something stats dont show (except perhaps goal assists).
His percentage of kicks that are effective is also there abouts, except compared to Selwood., O'keefe and Ablett, who are a notch above the rest of the pack here in this list.
While Tuck does not have the class of these guys, through hard work he gets some important statistics on par with them. Is he in the elite of the comp? No, but I dont think any one would try to make that claim. By the same token he is a fair way off being the dud some try to make him out to be.
If he was surrounded by footballers with the nouse and ability to take advantage of his hard work, I doubt this conversation would even take place.
:clapping :thumbsup
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If he was surrounded by footballers with the nouse and ability to take advantage of his hard work, I doubt this conversation would even take place.
Possibly true if Tucky still didn't need to be in our top half-dozen mids. The problem is at 27 going on 28 in December by the time we could put those classier players around him he'll be on the wrong side of 30.
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MT the main problem down thier is the players dont Jell together
They dont know each others game & dont play for each other
they play as they train pushing vans across ovals :rollin
shows out by a mile when Richo leads & gets ignored
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I agree the players don't jell on the field and we played as 18 individuals but actually we played as we trained in the end. That was one of the problems. Flaws in our game weren't being addressed :-\.
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MT the main problem down thier is the players dont Jell together
They dont know each others game & dont play for each other
they play as they train pushing vans across ovals :rollin
shows out by a mile when Richo leads & gets ignored
I'm normally onside with you on most things TM but I must say this - it also shows out by a mile when the guys stream through the middle and Richo leads to a deep pocket.
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Tucky had a replacement eardrum put in apparently over the offseason. He still had cotton wool in the ear to protect it at training today.
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The $600,000 question: Why can't Shane Tuck and Jordan McMahon get a game?
* Mark Stevens
* Herald Sun
* April 07, 2010
WHY can't Shane Tuck and Jordan McMahon get a game for Richmond? That's the question on the lips of fans as the Tigers cry out for a saviour.
SO MUCH for the footy chestnut "you're only as good as your last game".
Shane Tuck's last game for Richmond was good. Very good, in fact.
In the Tigers' final game of the pre-season, against Collingwood at Visy Park, Tuck had 33 disposals and 14 of the contested variety.
The 28-year-old also featured in six score involvements, the most of any Tiger.
To cap it off, Tuck was the top-ranked SuperCoach player on the ground with 153 points.
Yet Tuck was missing in the first two rounds as the undermanned and inept Tigers were thrashed by Carlton and the Western Bulldogs.
Who was the best performer this week? Vote now and win.
Jordan McMahon, 27, who also played against the Pies that day and helped himself to 28 disposals, is also absent from the Richmond side.
McMahon is in the final year of a three-year contract and will be paid about $330,000 this year.
It is fair to estimate Tuck, a senior regular through most of Terry Wallace's reign and runner-up in the 2008 best-and-fairest, would be on $250,000-plus in his final season.
That is about $600,000 (the equivalent of one elite player) tied up in a pair seemingly destined to see out most of the year with Coburg Tigers in the VFL.
Richmond is adamant it has not put a line through the names of Tuck and McMahon, and they may yet return this week against a battle-hardened Sydney.
But right now, they must feel like the most unwanted men in Australia.
Tuck, in particular, would add much needed grunt and strength to a team too easily pushed off the ball against the Bulldogs.
As much as he keeps winning it, insiders say there are slows on Tuck because he struggles to follow instructions, which are becoming more detailed by the year.
He has, also, for a long time had a weakness for turning the ball over, but he has had plenty of Tiger mates over the years - and the trend continues.
You can sympathise with new coach Damien Hardwick's dilemma. He did not recruit Tuck or McMahon and is hell-bent on playing youngsters, but the supporters want to see competitive football.
The Tigers are uncompetitive, underlined by a 3.7 to 1.0 final term against the Dogs that could have been much uglier.
The Tigers can't get their hands on the ball.
Their average differential in the first two rounds for disposals is a whopping minus 115. The next worst, Adelaide, is minus 60.
The Tigers' average kicking efficiency is 7.3 per cent worse than its opposition. Again, 16th in the competition.
Perhaps the most telling stat is Richmond has had on average 22 fewer inside-50s.
Couple that with the fact the Tigers have scored a goal only 19 per cent of the times once inside 50, and you have a recipe for a flogging.
The Tigers have conceded the most points from turnovers: 150 points.
Almost half of Richmond's turnovers have come in the defensive half, a sure-fire way to have your pants pulled down.
Keeping Tuck out may be good for the long term, but it will test the patience of Tigers fans who have already been forced to live with applauding the smallest of things, such as a Trent Cotchin sweeping handball or a Jayden Post leap.
Is it time to stop the bleeding?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/the-600000-question-why-cant-shane-tuck-and-jordan-mcmahon-get-a-game/story-e6frf9if-1225850677690
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Gee are we travelling that bad :help, have to agree though, we need to stop the bleeding and give the youth time to develop IMO.
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The $600,000 question: Why can't Shane Tuck and Jordan McMahon get a game?
Because a salary doesn't always equate to a players worth? ::)
If Mike Stevens or whatever barrage of tiger faithful he thinks reckon McMahon and Tuck not being in the team is the reason we cannot win or compete in a game they need their heads seriously checked. Tuck would barely make a difference, and McMahon would not make a difference.
The $600,000 question should be, why the stuff are those two players earning a collective $600k. :banghead
Keep playing the kids and the senior players who actually have something to offer please RFC before we play these list cloggers.
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The kicker is, that if Hardwick could get either of them playing half decent football this year, then there may be a chance that we can trade one or both of them for a draft pick... or compensation from them going to the gold coast. By completely leaving them out of the side we are essentially giving up on them entirely, they may as well go on an overseas trip for the rest of the year.
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The kicker is, that if Hardwick could get either of them playing half decent football this year, then there may be a chance that we can trade one or both of them for a draft pick... or compensation from them going to the gold coast. By completely leaving them out of the side we are essentially giving up on them entirely, they may as well go on an overseas trip for the rest of the year.
Not really, clubs already know we are going to delist them, so why trade for them when they can pick them up for free?
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* Mark Stevens
Shane Tuck's last game for Richmond was good. Very good, in fact.
In the Tigers' final game of the pre-season, against Collingwood at Visy Park, Tuck had 33 disposals and 14 of the contested variety.
If you are going to write pointless articles at least try and get your facts straight
Richmond's final practice game was against ESSENDON at MORWELL you twit and Tuck DID NOT play
But moving right along
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he's just trying to wind up tigers fans, can almost picture the flog smiling whilst writing this puff piece. Its all part of the media's systematic attack on weak prey. First this, this week to plant the seed, then another after next weeks flogging all in anticipation for a real 'canning by media' if we lose to melbourne in round 4, they will be looking to sell a lot of papers that week! You better believe they have strategies and play games like this. These guys are worse than used car salesmen!!
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Ill be straight up and say I am a Tuck fan. He is hard as a coffin nail, wins tons of ball, contests ball ups/throw ins when needed, takes a good grab and can slot a surprise goal. A lot of folks bitch bout turn overs, yeah, well he is our in and under bloke and is usually being gang tackled so it goes but I still think he has a lot of plus about him. He is a strong bastard, and we need him out there to stop the free ride the opposition midfield is getting. Hopefully with some TLC he has ironed out some of the bad habits people are unhappy with, but Tuck has been a stalwart of our club getting battered in there for years for our jumper, he literally does bleed for the tigers.
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The kicker is, that if Hardwick could get either of them playing half decent football this year, then there may be a chance that we can trade one or both of them for a draft pick... or compensation from them going to the gold coast. By completely leaving them out of the side we are essentially giving up on them entirely, they may as well go on an overseas trip for the rest of the year.
Not really, clubs already know we are going to delist them, so why trade for them when they can pick them up for free?
If he can get them playing proper football then a club who wants the player can trade a pick they are not going to use to ensure they get him. It's effectively free for them anyway, but we'll still use that pick. The fact that the AFL brought in the rule that you don't have to use a pick that was part of a trade has resulted in much more player movement between clubs.
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The kicker is, that if Hardwick could get either of them playing half decent football this year, then there may be a chance that we can trade one or both of them for a draft pick... or compensation from them going to the gold coast. By completely leaving them out of the side we are essentially giving up on them entirely, they may as well go on an overseas trip for the rest of the year.
Thing is no one was interested in Tuck last off season and a year older you would have to say that unless people really think the draft is compromised it would be unlikely that he would generate any interest.
McMahon I couldn't give a stuff if he rots - to me he typifies everything wrong with us - soft and ordinary skills much of the time. If its a choice between him playing to be a very slim chance of being picked up or him being made an example of so the younger blokes know that unreliable footskills and zero toughness are unacceptable then I'd go for the latter.
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The kicker is, that if Hardwick could get either of them playing half decent football this year, then there may be a chance that we can trade one or both of them for a draft pick... or compensation from them going to the gold coast. By completely leaving them out of the side we are essentially giving up on them entirely, they may as well go on an overseas trip for the rest of the year.
Thing is no one was interested in Tuck last off season and a year older you would have to say that unless people really think the draft is compromised it would be unlikely that he would generate any interest.
McMahon I couldn't give a stuff if he rots - to me he typifies everything wrong with us - soft and ordinary skills much of the time. If its a choice between him playing to be a very slim chance of being picked up or him being made an example of so the younger blokes know that unreliable footskills and zero toughness are unacceptable then I'd go for the latter.
I do understand that, however no one was interested last year based on the year of football they'd just had, they saw deficiencies they didn't want. My point is that if Hardwick can work on these deficiencies get them to play their team role then it may cause a team that needs a more senior player injected into the side to reconsider. The fact Tuck got dropped for the last part of the season would have scared a lot of teams away, ruined any trade value he had. If we could play him as a forward for the year and get a decent result from it then again, it may make someone notice. The fact that they're part of a new structure could bring out something that makes someone notice. As a bonus you get a harder body that can protect the kids from getting smashed at the stoppages all year and could damage their longevity.
I am mainly talking about Tuck though, I'm in the same boat as you with McMahon. The fact Tuck got 133 or so Champion Data points in a practice game against Collingwood during the preseason shows he can play and not turn it over too much. Would probably be better value than Luke Ball to be honest.
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Ill be straight up and say I am a Tuck fan. He is hard as a coffin nail, wins tons of ball, contests ball ups/throw ins when needed, takes a good grab and can slot a surprise goal. A lot of folks bitch bout turn overs, yeah, well he is our in and under bloke and is usually being gang tackled so it goes but I still think he has a lot of plus about him. He is a strong bastard, and we need him out there to stop the free ride the opposition midfield is getting. Hopefully with some TLC he has ironed out some of the bad habits people are unhappy with, but Tuck has been a stalwart of our club getting battered in there for years for our jumper, he literally does bleed for the tigers.
l share your thoughts exactly, Tuck is the man we are missing for the hard ball. Midfielders are not protected anymore
Whisper ;D Dont be surprised if he walks out on the club soon ;D & l hope he does cause if they didnot want him then they should have let him go.
But this is Richmond we are talking about which is very well known for damaging players careers or holding them up ;D or just plain breaking them
l agree with the article, $600,000 of players wasted & Tuck who is easy in our top 10 :lol
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what is problem with Tuck his stats say other wise SO why not have him play?... i can understand why we don't want Jordan to play
But Bring back Tuck .. he is the only one who can bomb it down the centre with confidence like his farther
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because they will not be on our list in 2011!
and Hardwick would see them as "Holding Up The Development" of other players!
good job Hardwick, DON'T PLAY THEM!
i would rather see Collins, White, Contin play in the midfield and Webberley, Dea, Grimes playing across the half back line!
:)
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your think White is better than Tuck? .. then why have cuzzy play if you want youngies to play? i wanna see tigers win games not see young guys getting the Eff beaten out of them. i Agree they need too learn But they Also now need to learn how to win. and maby next year after we have only won 2 or 3 games Players will be like were going NO were and leave to join GWS or GC17
Play youngsters .. but also play senior players to win games to get Fans hopes up and the Young players
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regardless what Ben Cousins does off the football field. :shh l do care cause l want him out on the field. so pull ya head in Ben ;D
His onfield leadership & experience is second to none. His football speaks for itself & he should do everything possible to keep himself out on the field away from speculations & helping the young cubs on the ground
You wont see many better footballers than him in his era
l for one want to have Cousins around the players cause they can learn lots about the game from him.
Just his presence onfield brings players into the game & the sooner they adapt to his style or create something of thier own which l'm sure he could adapt to anything they bring into a game plan, than his a required player IMV
l think a half forward line position for 2 years would be the best posssible way to use Ben & prolong his career & have him kicking goals to lift the confidence of the playing group & the supporters
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regardless what Ben Cousins does off the football field. :shh l do care cause l want him out on the field. so pull ya head in Ben ;D
His onfield leadership & experience is second to none. His football speaks for itself & he should do everything possible to keep himself out on the field away from speculations & helping the young cubs on the ground
You wont see many better footballers than him in his era
l for one want to have Cousins around the players cause they can learn lots about the game from him.
Just his presence onfield brings players into the game & the sooner they adapt to his style or create something of thier own which l'm sure he could adapt to anything they bring into a game plan, than his a required player IMV
l think a half forward line position for 2 years would be the best posssible way to use Ben & prolong his career & have him kicking goals to lift the confidence of the playing group & the supporters
agree
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In an interview Hardwick was asked about tuck and responded something about having things to work on, which he is, as do many others.
So if tuck has been told what he needs to work on and he does this to a level that Hardwick wants, Im sure he'll play him.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Hardwick is just itching for Tuck to address whatever he has been asked to, because as a mature bodied hard nosed player he will bring exactly what Hardwick wants to the side now, if he can play as hardwick instructs.
Personally I'd have Tuck in the side before Jackson as I'd back him to deliver the ball better than Jacko.
Talk that he shouldn't get a game because he wont be part of our next premiership is crazy. For a start know one knows when that will be, but as players such as cousins and Simmonds definitely wont be either and Hardwick still plays them so I'd guess that that is not really a consideration. (In fact going on the clubs history over the last 28 years you could easily argue that not one single player on the list will play in the clubs next premiership and a lot of us wont be around to see it. :P)
There's probably a number of players in the side at the moment who do the defensive work or whatever as Hardwick asks and they are being given enough time to show whether they have what it takes to play at this level. If players such as King, Nahas, Hislop, Thompson, Edwards play the first half dozen or more games and then are dropped, my guess would be that they will have a line drawn through their names.
As a new coach everyone should start with a clean slate and to draw a line through players names without even giving them a chance would be bereft of the coaching staff.
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with a new coach , EVERYONE should start from scratch.
Players need to earn there position.
If not, you are trouble.
And we have trouble..
Cant reward players for ordinary performances
The way we are going, we will in future play all our games at 4.40pm on a Sunday night ::) :banghead
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with a new coach , EVERYONE should start from scratch.
Players need to earn there position.
If not, you are trouble.
And we have trouble..
Cant reward players for ordinary performances
The way we are going, we will in future play all our games at 4.40pm on a Sunday night ::) :banghead
That will mean l will have to make up with Joffa ;D or Just plain take his spot
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I agree with Owl but regardless of your position on Tuck it is important for the morale of the team that it is competitive. The senior players need to instill in the younger players the importance of being competitive. Also sponsors are not going to invest in a team that is not consistently competitive. I reckon it boils down which is more important this year being competitive or getting enough games into the young players. One would think that you could still be competitive and get games into the young players but may not. What do people think.
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If Hardwick says Tuck has things to work on the only way for him to get a game should be if he satisfies Hardwick he has worked sufficiently on those issues and shows that with Coburg. The advantage, I guess, for the young players on our list is that all their deficiencies have not been previously exposed, hence they get games with the senior side in a year like this to find those deficiencies.
If Tuck fixes his known deficiencies he gets back in the seniors, if not it's goodbye at the end of 2010. For youngsters, if a deficiency is found they should be given a similar treatment - back to Coburg to fix it then you can come back to seniors when it's fixed and if that takes 12 months so be it. It seems so simple but we have, in the past, persisted with players in our senior side who have obvious deficiencies (Nick Daffy, Mark Chaffey, Ray Hall, Darren Gaspar, Pat Bowden the list goes on and on and on.........and on) instead of forcing them to fix those problems when first identified in order to remain a player in the senior side.
Hopefully Hardwick starts a new trend at Tigerland of "accountability for your own inability"............tm
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There was reason Tuck was trade bait and a reason no other club wanted him ..... too slow (especially lacks acceleration), lacks defensive accountability, lacks vision and just plonks the ball on his foot anyhow to bomb it forward. At 27 winning the hard ball isn't enough anymore with that many other flaws. Maybe he could provide a chop out for Jack and Morton in the forward line but again he's just a stopgap measure.
You've got to love the media. They now bag us for not playing Tuck and even more laughable Jordie yet they would cry same old Richmond going for the quick fix if we did play them ::).
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Hopefully that is the case hadynd.
It looks like tuck is in for thompson, V the swans, as they play similar games.
Lets see how many unforced errors he actually makes.
The other day against the dogs Deledio got a quick kick out the center under pressure. I think it was Lake who ran and took and easy chest mark about 10 meters clear of his opponent. That wasn't Deledios fault, the forward should have been playing in front and read the play better.
Yet if Tuck does that he gets bagged for throwing the ball on his boot without looking.
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Yet if Tuck does that he gets bagged for throwing the ball on his boot without looking.
The difference though al is Tucky does it even when under no physical pressure. It's 70s/80s footy (although that may not be a bad thing on the smaller SCG).
He's not the only one either who kicks blindly. When we take a mark or free on one side of the ground particularly defensive side of the centre we have too many players who lazily and/or stupidly kick 'down the line' straight into the hands of the oppositon rather than quickly switching the play to a free man on the open side as soon as they get the ball.
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I think sometimes players feel pressure when there is none, probably due to being under pressure most other times they get the ball.
Having those around the man in possession talking would hopefully help there, as would continually drilling in the game plan, so certain acts start to become second nature.
If Tuck actually settles before he kicks, he's not as bad as what a lot of people make out.
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I hope he spends a large part of his TOG in the forward line with a few stints in the midfield to releive some of the work load off the kids.
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At least if he's inside 50 and marks he can just bomb it through the goals. Not great with the tactical instructions is Tucky in the midfield.
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Not great with the tactical instructions is Tucky in the midfield.
hopefully then, that is one of the things he has had to work on.
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Tucky could be a real asset in the forward line on Sat night against the Swans. Could surprise and kick 3 or 4 off the half forward flank with his long kicking.
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Not great with the tactical instructions is Tucky in the midfield.
hopefully then, that is one of the things he has had to work on.
Hard to teach old dogs at 27 y.o. new tricks though which is why he was left out of the side in the first two rounds. Tucky's tough and an honest footballer but he just doesn't have a natural nouse for the modern tactical game both offensively and defensively.
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I don't have a bar of the the adage you cant teach an old dog new tricks. The adage is literally wrong and with humans the only people capable of learning that can't be taught new tricks are those that that don't want to learn, regardless of age.
As for whether Tuck has the nouse for the modern tactics? I suppose time will tell.
Last year when he was recalled after being banished to Coburg to work on part of his game, he looked to me like he was unsure of what his role was. A reflection on his learning ability or the coaching staff's teaching ability? ...Or both?
Is Tuck's selection just part of a rotation of certain players to have a look at them, or has he satisfied Hardwick that he has overcome his deficiencies he had to work on?
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bah 27 is a baby. I took up Classical guitar in December after my 40th birthday, just learnt my 7th piece. Got my mother hooked on the idea of learning guitar too and she is 63, she hasn't looked back. Were not dogs. And 27 isn't old. :thumbsup
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There was reason Tuck was trade bait and a reason no other club wanted him ..... too slow (especially lacks acceleration), lacks defensive accountability, lacks vision and just plonks the ball on his foot anyhow to bomb it forward. At 27 winning the hard ball isn't enough anymore with that many other flaws. Maybe he could provide a chop out for Jack and Morton in the forward line but again he's just a stopgap measure.
You've got to love the media. They now bag us for not playing Tuck and even more laughable Jordie yet they would cry same old Richmond going for the quick fix if we did play them ::).
All true MT.
Good luck to Tucky. He'll need it.
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I don't have a bar of the the adage you cant teach an old dog new tricks. The adage is literally wrong and with humans the only people capable of learning that can't be taught new tricks are those that that don't want to learn, regardless of age.
As for whether Tuck has the nouse for the modern tactics? I suppose time will tell.
Last year when he was recalled after being banished to Coburg to work on part of his game, he looked to me like he was unsure of what his role was. A reflection on his learning ability or the coaching staff's teaching ability? ...Or both?
Is Tuck's selection just part of a rotation of certain players to have a look at them, or has he satisfied Hardwick that he has overcome his deficiencies he had to work on?
Nouse? No for various reasons. IMO he offensively holds onto the ball far too long slowing down our play and then bombs the ball forward old school footy style. He's not a type to spread from a contest quickly either due to his lack of speed and acceleration. Defensively his opponent runs off and spreads from the contest off him far too much.
Learning vs coaching staff teaching ability? Both. I don't see Tucky as that footy smart (very brave, strong and tough though). However we know especially from Postie's comments last year that the previous coaching staff spent little one-on-one time.
Rotation policy? No IMO given he is 27. If we hadn't been smashed in the first two rounds and the Swans weren't a close-in contested footy side then Tucky may have been left to play at Coburg.
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Even ex coaching staff have admitted the development side at RFC has been sorely lacking in the past, just maybe, we have some better things in place to help guide players with their roles now, including people like Tucky who might need a bit of extra work on how to approach some of the tactics and some of his ingrained habits. Looking back over the course, I cannot believe we have burn't through so many high picks with so little return, with very decent senior coaches dotted in there too. Development seems to be the weak link...
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What was Tucky's new role tonight? I hardly noticed him out there although he got 16 possies.
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Seemed to at half back but what exactly his role was pretty hard to work out on the telly. Would be interested to hear from anyone who went to the game as to what he was doing off the ball.
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Seemed to at half back but what exactly his role was pretty hard to work out on the telly. Would be interested to hear from anyone who went to the game as to what he was doing off the ball.
Yeah Tucky's role was across HB. To be honest he seems a bit lost across HB. Disposal and decision making was well normal - poor at times average at best. Off the ball he unfortunately made the mistake of trying to take his opponent to the ball which at times was costly. Sometimes as a defender you have to take your opponent away from the action as opposed to taking them to the action.
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Tuck, either plays on ball, or inside F50 as a marking option, NEVER EVER going to make a backman.
Very poor thinker is Shane,way too costly to play in D50
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Very poor thinker is Shane,way too costly to play in D50
Spud.
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More zip in Tuck
Michael Horan
Herald Sun
June 03, 2010
NO PLAYER appreciated Richmond's breakthrough win last weekend more than club stalwart Shane Tuck.
That Tuck was out there was tribute to his willingness to work to succeed.
That he was voted best-on-ground by both coaches, Richmond's Damien Hardwick and Port Adelaide's Mark Williams, was even more significant.
The 28-year-old, touted as trade bait in the off-season and overlooked for the opening two rounds this year, has won his battle to succeed as well as Hardwick's approval.
Since being recalled in Round 3, Tuck has averaged 27.1 possessions a game, leads his side in hard-ball gets and is back to the form that earned him second place in the 2008 best-and-fairest and third in 2005 and 2007.
That's satisfying stuff, given his start under the new coach.
But where one might suspect a negative reaction to Hardwick, given the circumstances, it's precisely the opposite.
"Since he's been there he's really given me a fair go," said Tuck, accepting responsibility for his own fall from favour.
"The last six weeks of last year, my performances weren't up to scratch, I let myself down really.
"I guess that was the new coach's impression of me.
"That's what it was in the first practice matches and it took a little (while) for him to realise that wasn't me, that I actually can play footy.
"It was up to me to prove to him I could play."
Against Port last weekend, Tuck amassed a game-high 31 possessions and was awarded the maximum five votes from both Hardwick and Williams in the league's coaches' award.
But Tuck is just happy he has been given the past eight weeks to vindicate himself.
"I'm really happy he gave me the opportunity. I've been playing on the back flank and every now and then he puts me on the ball," Tuck said of Hardwick.
"(Initially) I didn't know what would happen, whether I would get a game at all.
"But he really is a fair bloke - he gives you an opportunity. If you do the right things, he gives you a chance. You can't ask for any more in a coach."
Tuck's second coming began after he had surgery to repair a perforated ear drum he had been playing with for two years. From there it was back to work.
"I still tried to put in a big pre-season. Get the running right," Tuck said.
"The way Damien wanted us to play, we practised that all pre-season and I just really wanted to get the way he wanted to play in my game - where the ball was to be moved, the set-ups around the stoppages, I just really wanted to get that right.
"I really concentrated on that and tried to get myself as fit as possible to give myself an opportunity.
"I've been around long enough to realise I had to try and bounce back from what happened last year and the only way to do that is through hard work."
A team with a similar attitude had its work pay off in Adelaide on Saturday when the Tigers, in appalling conditions, laid a record 142 tackles to engineer an astonishing 47-point win.
"I thought the whole team set it up," Tuck said, dismissing his best-afield status.
"The young blokes (Ben) Nason and (Robbie) Nahas kicking some goals, Jack Riewoldt in great form, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin on the ball and our backline was fantastic - Chris Newman, Brett Deledio and Kel Moore. Everybody played well.
"That was the most pleasing thing. It was a really hard-fought win. We were hungry for a victory and just at it from the word go."
One shouldn't be surprised at the Tiger utility's durability. His father Michael is the league's games record-holder with 426 and played at the top level until he was 38.
Shane has not missed through injury since Round 7, 2003, and sports the same hard and wiry frame as his father.
"Yeah, the old man played 140 straight, so there must be something in the genes," he joked.
Has he got his father's longevity in the big league?
"Hope so. I'll be telling the coach that, anyhow."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-zip-in-tuck/story-e6frf9io-1225874741851
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losing Coughlan & Johnson and our inside mids being young; Martin, Jackson, Foley, Cotchin you would think Tuck will be on the list next year
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Mark Robinson and Daryl Timms in today's Herald-Sun talking about Tucky...
MR: Richmond isn't happy with you.
DT: What have I done?
MR: Peddling rubbish about Micky Tuck's boy being on the outer at Punt Rd.
DT: He was on line to finish in the top five in their best-and-fairest before caretaker coach Jade Rawlings and others marked his papers. So, you could say there is plenty of history there. Who's been sooking, anyway?
MR: No one in particular. A memo arrived at my desk and suggested Tucky wasn't always diligent on defence.
DT: I don't think there are too many blokes at Punt Rd keen to pick up opponents.
MR: You need all-purpose game in them.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-on-a-roll-as-saints-lurk/story-e6frf9ox-1225877235094
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Hird on Tucky....
"Shane Tuck for me is a very good player who does not get the credit he deserves. The coach put him under the pump early in the year and he has responded in fine style. He is playing for his career, but in my opinion doing a good job at it."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mmvp
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Another bloke who has improved under Hardwick. :thumbsup
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Another bloke who has improved under Hardwick. :thumbsup
Will either get another contract extension or have raised his trade value to a finals side.
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Deserves to be retained by the club
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If he is not retained by the club there is a fair chance he will be targeted by Gold Coast and we will get sweet FA for him.
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If he is not retained by the club there is a fair chance he will be targeted by Gold Coast and we will get sweet FA for him.
I disagree, in fact I hope the Gold Coast go after him
Using the AFL's mystery equation it will be based off a player who has missed 5 games in 5 years, finished ?th (10), 7th (09), 3rd (08), 3rd (07) and 10th (06) in the Jack Dyer medal, averaged 24 disposals a game for 5 years and been at the top of the entire AFL in contested posessions and clearances for much of his career.
That sounds like ticking every single box the AFL requires for a top pick to be allocated if you ask me.
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Almost every one, Inf. The pick he was drafted at originally is also taken into consideration.
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Almost every one, Inf. The pick he was drafted at originally is also taken into consideration.
Even so, it should result in at least an early 2nd rounder
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If he is not retained by the club there is a fair chance he will be targeted by Gold Coast and we will get sweet FA for him.
I disagree, in fact I hope the Gold Coast go after him
Using the AFL's mystery equation it will be based off a player who has missed 5 games in 5 years, finished ?th (10), 7th (09), 3rd (08), 3rd (07) and 10th (06) in the Jack Dyer medal, averaged 24 disposals a game for 5 years and been at the top of the entire AFL in contested posessions and clearances for much of his career.
That sounds like ticking every single box the AFL requires for a top pick to be allocated if you ask me.
You've got more faith in the AFL getting it fair and equitable than me, then infamy.
Didnt they have to rethink the Ablett sitaution because Geelong would have got well under the odds for him if he moved north, heavily based on his original draft position of 40. (tuck was 70 odd).
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Don't know how accurate this article was, but pick 26 was touted for Ablett.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-26-for-gary-ablett/story-e6frf9jf-1225831972227 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-26-for-gary-ablett/story-e6frf9jf-1225831972227)
Wouldnt expect near that for Tuck.
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Don't know how accurate this article was, but pick 26 was touted for Ablett.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-26-for-gary-ablett/story-e6frf9jf-1225831972227 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-26-for-gary-ablett/story-e6frf9jf-1225831972227)
Wouldnt expect near that for Tuck.
The thing that throws the numbers out is the pick is taken directly after your actual pick in the draft, so if you finish up the top of the ladder, you get crap compensation. This article is also working on the assumption that Geelong would select to take the pick straight away in a compromised draft which pushes the pick back to around the 25-26 mark. The alternative is they can bank the pick for the next few years and select to take it when the drafts are back to normal and they have come down the ladder a bit.
This means that a 1st round compensation pick for Geelong is about the same as a 2nd round compensation pick for us.
The fact the formula is a maths equation works in our favour as one of the best players in the best teams will be judged fairly similarly to one of the dominant mature players in a crap side. Not really a fair deal, but if we can make the most of it then go for it.
If we have any belief that Tuck will be targeted by GC17, we should make sure he wins the Jack Dyer medal this year.
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the question is would it be an early first round or a end of second round pick? At the moment tuck is doing a lot of hard inside work, not just at the ball but also protecting lighter bodied players such as cotchin and lightening the load of Martin
Is that worth giving away for a late second round pick, or even and early second round pick?
You could probably get a late second round pick for a moore, mcguane, perhaps polo white edwards thursty rance in a trade, all of whom you could argue are easier replaced than tuck, in terms of the role they play and availability of replacement, similar type players.
The only player on the list not in the 22 at the moment that i can see doing a similar bullocking type role is Thompson, who IMHO is a fair way behind tuck. I dont see it as coincidence that as tuck came back into favor. he went out.
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Everyone kissing Tuck ass the last few weeks, His really shown he can play football at the top still.
l told everyone he is a very valued & required player
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Is that worth giving away for a late second round pick, or even and early second round pick?
Yes, definitely
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Ha ha TM you also made your opinion of Riewoldt well known
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Richmond offers Shane Tuck a new contract at Punt Road
* Greg Denham
* The Australian
* July 28, 2010
AFTER being on the verge of the sack last year, Richmond's much-maligned Shane Tuck has been offered a new contract at Punt Road.
The Tigers are in the process of keeping Tuck on their list for at least one, and possibly another two years, with a performance trigger attached.
Tuck, 28, the son of AFL legend and former Hawthorn captain Michael Tuck, was saved from being delisted because he was contracted until the end of 2010. He was offered for trade at the end of last season, but there were no takers.
Richmond general manager of football operations Craig Cameron has held discussions with Tuck's manager, Liam Pickering.
"We've begun negotiations, but we're not prepared to discuss any details," Cameron said yesterday.
After 126 consecutive games, almost all under coach Terry Wallace, Tuck was dumped for three of the Tigers' final six games last year under caretaker coach Jade Rawlings, before being offered up to other clubs for trade. And that was despite finishing runner-up to Brett Deledio in the club's 2008 best-and-fairest award.
The Tigers were concerned with the defensive side of his game, and in particular his high amount of turnovers, but he has made fewer mistakes this season.
New coach Damien Hardwick, who denied he had put a line through Tuck's name at the start of this season, resurrected his career by playing him initially as a rebounding defender when he came back into the side.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/richmond-offers-shane-tuck-a-new-contract-at-punt-road/story-e6frg7mf-1225897724880
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agree with the move by the club
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Funny how Tuck and McMahon both started the season in identical positions and by season's end they have finished at opposite ends of the scale in regards to their value to the team and likelihood of extending their AFL careers.
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Tuck has balls and heart.
McMahon has hair above his lip and a fanny.
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That's a relief Bents I thought you were going to call him a right little runt
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I wonder where Tuck will play over the next few years given we are now sending Tambling back to learn how to play of half back and have Lids, Connors and Newman already playing there? This is the position he resurrected his career in yet he has been moved to the middle in the absence of Jackson, Cotchin and Foley.
Might become a depth player ??? :-\
Stripes
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He's got very sticky fingers and is a good set shot. Maybe half-forward? With Tambling moving to HBF, Connors could move to the wing. Lids and Newman are too valuable to lose from the half-back line.
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good thing. we need some tough players like him!
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I wonder where Tuck will play over the next few years given we are now sending Tambling back to learn how to play of half back and have Lids, Connors and Newman already playing there? This is the position he resurrected his career in yet he has been moved to the middle in the absence of Jackson, Cotchin and Foley.
Might become a depth player ??? :-\
Stripes
I think he'll be ok in the middle, we're still very light on for depth in that area.
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I know dreamteam/supercoach stats mean little but Tuck is now our most valueable player according to Champion Data.
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The Tigers are in the process of keeping Tuck on their list for at least one, and possibly another two years, with a performance trigger attached.
Provided the 2-year performance trigger means he needs to repeat his 2010 form next year to still be around in 2012 then I'm okay with that. Tucky is filling in while our classier young mids develop and build up their bodies.
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I wonder where Tuck will play over the next few years given we are now sending Tambling back to learn how to play of half :santa :santaback and have Lids, Connors and Newman already playing there? This is the position he resurrected his career in yet he has been moved to the middle in the absence of Jackson, Cotchin and Foley.
Might become a depth player ??? :-\
Stripes
half forward flank like Martin pike
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told ya he was a required player, sticks it up the ass off his know all knockers hahahahahahaah
cant wait to shake his hand on Sunday haahhah ;D
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Tucky is a great example to all players about how you can turn things around when you take on board the things you need to improve and you go away, work your butt off and come back better from it
A great lesson to young players. Actually a great leasson to all players. A few others could take note
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Agree. Tuck has a very good attitude. Tuck is a good mark for his size, perhaps one day a forward pocket
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Mark Robinson: Got a phone call from Shane Tuck the other day. He wanted your number because of your campaign - he has got another contract for next year so the barbecue is at Tucky's this weekend.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/at-the-bar-with-mark-robinson-and-daryl-timms/story-e6frf9ox-1225900796160
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Deserves it.
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Keep on Tuckin
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Unlucky Shane Tuck still on outer at Richmond
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
March 31, 2011
RICHMOND onballer Shane Tuck is set to be overlooked again by the Tigers despite his remarkable season last year.
The Tigers take on St Kilda's star-studded midfield at the MCG, but coach Damien Hardwick hinted Tuck was likely to miss out.
Tuck played last season's final 20 games to finish fifth in the best and fairest and led the Tigers in tackles, contested possessions and handball stats.
Tuck, 29 and a top-five votegetter in the Jack Dyer Medal in four of the past six years, is likely to be at Coburg again.
"He's in the squad. He's thereabouts," Hardwick said. "He had a reasonable game at Coburg last week. It's just whether we can fit him in.
"We've got (Nathan) Foley, (Dustin) Martin, (Trent) Cotchin - those sorts of players. There's only a certain amount of midfielders we can play in those sorts of positions. Shane is a possibility, but whether he comes in or not, we'll have to wait and see."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/unlucky-shane-tuck-still-on-outer-at-richmond/story-e6frf9jf-1226030951246
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According to Danny Daly, Tucky could come back in next week if our midfielders don't lift their game tomorrow night. A few of our mids on their last notice by the sound of it.
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Hence the fact Dimma has gone for speed tomorrow to combat the Saints who are less than speedy.. Internally Dimma must think we are a real show and he has put the acid on a few of the mids. I expect heads to roll on a few if a few blokes have a bad night which will ultimately result in a loss.
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Yep if we can get on top in the midfield and have our fair share of inside 50s to give Jack and co. plenty of ball then we'll have a strong chance of winning as we were kicking goals practically with every second-to-third inside 50 entry we had last week. Jack one-on-one tore the St Kilda defenders to shreds twice last year with 6 goals in both clashes.
Back onto Tucky he'd get exposed out wide tomorrow night if he played as the Saints have won those 13 games straight by their mids killing us on outside spread.
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They also killed us in the past in cointested possession. Tuck is the master of getting contested possession. Would have liked him in the side. Hoping Martin has a huge game
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dimma has always said it takes tucky 3 to 4 weeks to get going
and in saying so, isnt it great that players have to earn a spot now
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They are working to a plan.
Have faith in Dimma (and Tuck)
:shh
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They are working to a plan.
Have faith in Dimma (and Tuck)
:shh
Mitch Morton style plan? Deep forward maybe, can kick at the goals and would put on the forward pressure, fairly tall, mobile and reasonable hands
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They are working to a plan.
Have faith in Dimma (and Tuck)
:shh
Mitch Morton style plan? Deep forward maybe, can kick at the goals and would put on the forward pressure, fairly tall, mobile and reasonable hands
Tucky's role hasn't changed at Coburg though unlike Morton last year. He's still playing his usual inside midfield role. Yesterday for mine showed why he's on the outer. He can find and win a heap of footy in close at stoppages (that's why people ask why he isn't in the side). However they ignore that he then just bombs the ball forward like it's his dad's era of the 70s/80s. He's sadly too one-dimensional for modern footy.
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in how many of these bombs forward did he ;
ignore options presented by thos around him,
have time to hang on to the ball til an option was presented?
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in how many of these bombs forward did he ;
ignore options presented by thos around him,
have time to hang on to the ball til an option was presented?
I don't think Tucky thinks that way instinctively at least by foot. Even when he gets a free and has time to sense some options he's not really a passer of the ball by foot; he more 'hoofs' it forward to a contest.
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True, but he definately showed improvement in that area last year.
When he has (and realises he has) time to settle and spot a target he is OK.
I got the impression he was playing mainly forward early on and going onto the ball for most of the last, last week.
Again this week he is amongst the goal kickers.
He could be be leaning a h/f role at the moment, because the question is, who does he replace at h/b if he comes into the side?
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While he's a good mark for his size, does Tucky provide the defensive pressure to play as a half-forward? He's not exactly quick off the mark or elusive. I guess I just don't see him in the side when we become good enough in the future to be a regular finals side. He's more been cannon-fodder in the midfield in recent years to protect our young guys.
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Tucky to stay at Coburg.
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While he's a good mark for his size, does Tucky provide the defensive pressure to play as a half-forward? He's not exactly quick off the mark or elusive. I guess I just don't see him in the side when we become good enough in the future to be a regular finals side. He's more been cannon-fodder in the midfield in recent years to protect our young guys.
He played mostly half back last year with runs on the ball so you'd think his defensive efforts would be good enough to play half forward. Agree about the protecting the young bloke role though.
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Tuck got his chance at senior footy last year after the Sydney incident by the players where we debuted Astbury and Dea in Round 4. I think for the time being the team is settled and does not require too many changes and right now in terms of match ups he does not fit into the 22. Nothing personal to Tucky but lets revisit in a few weeks.
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A snippett from Sportal of Dimma's interview today at training......
As for veteran Shane Tuck, who is yet to play a senior game this year but was again named as an emergency on Thursday night, Hardwick said he is close to earning a recall.
"I just spoke to Tucky before, he's not far away at all," he said.
"The thing is with Tucky, we can put Tucky in but who comes out, is it (Dustin) Martin or (Trent) Cotchin, (or Nathan) Foley?"
"He's just got to bide his time, he's in reasonably good form down at Coburg also."
"It's just a matter of team balance and seeing where he fits."
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/hardwick-hunts-for-hawks-117833
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Tucky is as gone
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Tucky is a depth player now which puts him in the same category as Thursfield (when fit), Nason, Farmer and Browne - not considered part of our long term future but there in case of an emergency. Not sure if that is fair on Tucky but unfortunately for him Foley, Cotch and Martin have more upside to their games than him at present at going forward. :-\
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Let's keep posts above the belt ppl!
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Tucky is as gone as the moisture from Wilson's womanhood
I don't think so. He is named emg.
Nason and tuck are both courage filled blokes but at this stage if nason goes for a 50/50 footy there is a big chance he will get an injury like the last coburg game.
Tuck has a hard body like jacko and there is more chance of the other player getting an injury in the same situation.
Tuck overall played ok IMO for coburg and I could see him playing five games this season perhaps.
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I believe Tucky is now seen as a back-up midfielder just as Miller is a back-up forward. Last year our young mids weren't ready to handle the workload and bash and crash nature of contested footy so Tucky was recalled to provide a chop out. This year the younger guys are ready with the additions of Grigg and Houli adding some mature body depth to our midfield. The other reason IMO is we can't play both Jacko and Tucky in the same side. At best there's only a role for one of their rough around the edges type. Our midfield needs far more classier footballers especially by foot and spreading wide than what Jacko and Tucky provide. That's why Lids, Cotch and Martin are in there with Conca learning on the job in the backline despite being a first year player while Tucky is running around in the magoos.
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Tucky is a Doonside Cowboy
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shafted & will walk out the door very soon :thumbsup stay posted
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Tucky could play a role as a high half forward. Having said that we need a CHF who can play high and create an option 40 to 60 out from goal.
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Tucky could play a role as a high half forward. Having said that we need a CHF who can play high and create an option 40 to 60 out from goal.
Correct !
RFC has no idea how to re invent players :banghead
Tucky is great overhead and is a great kick at goal.
But we try and re invent him off HB last year, NO IDEA
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Tucky could play a role as a high half forward. Having said that we need a CHF who can play high and create an option 40 to 60 out from goal.
Correct !
RFC has no idea how to re invent players :banghead
Tucky is great overhead and is a great kick at goal.
But we try and re invent him off HB last year, NO IDEA
Stay tuned :shh
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yep,
in the practice match i saw tuck seemed to be playing more forward and last week he was again in the goals for coburg.
I expect to see him playing h/f in the next week or so.
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we cant even talk about caros T its anymore
:birthday :angel: :police:
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Rumour on BF:
Heard from someone very close to Shane (blood related, played a few games himself) that Shanes contract for the next 2 years is the reason he is not playing at the moment. Allegedly if Tucky plays 15 or more this year he is guaranteed next years contract, but if he plays less than 15, the tigers have the option to terminate. This was signed last year when Tucky was desperate after we hung him out for trade and there were no takers.
Seems the club is keeping its options well and truly open.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20754240&postcount=1
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Rumour on BF:
Heard from someone very close to Shane (blood related, played a few games himself) that Shanes contract for the next 2 years is the reason he is not playing at the moment. Allegedly if Tucky plays 15 or more this year he is guaranteed next years contract, but if he plays less than 15, the tigers have the option to terminate. This was signed last year when Tucky was desperate after we hung him out for trade and there were no takers.
Seems the club is keeping its options well and truly open.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20754240&postcount=1
Doesn't surprise me at all
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Rumour on BF:
Heard from someone very close to Shane (blood related, played a few games himself) that Shanes contract for the next 2 years is the reason he is not playing at the moment. Allegedly if Tucky plays 15 or more this year he is guaranteed next years contract, but if he plays less than 15, the tigers have the option to terminate. This was signed last year when Tucky was desperate after we hung him out for trade and there were no takers.
Seems the club is keeping its options well and truly open.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20754240&postcount=1
Doesn't surprise me at all
I'd be very dissapointed if that was true - actually I'd be disgusted
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Allegedly if Tucky plays 15 or more this year he is guaranteed next years contract.[/i]
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20754240&postcount=1
No club would insert that clause into a contract would they ? Guaranteed contract for 2012 ? Think about it.
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Pretty sure it was announced as a 1 year with 1 year option at the time
Clearly there were performance clauses built in to that
Doesn't mean that he won't get a contract if he plays under 15 games for the year, just that if the kids are playing well and there aren't too many to cut then he may miss out. Smart move by the club, ruthless, but smart.
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Pretty sure it was announced as a 1 year with 1 year option at the time
Clearly there were performance clauses built in to that
You're right Infamy.
The Tigers are in the process of keeping Tuck on their list for at least one, and possibly another two years, with a performance trigger attached.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=11709.0
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Luke Ablett should keep his mouth shut
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Meh Tuck.
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Tucky is probably now more an insurance player than Miller is. You can only see Tucky now getting a game if a couple of our inside ballwinning mids like Dusty, Cotch, Jacko or Axel cop injuries.
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Tucky went off holding his ribs and was substituted but he was walking around with the boys after the end of the game. Any official news or word on the radio on how he is?
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Dimma said he didn't know for sure but he didn't think it was too bad and thinks Tucky will be okay.
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On radio said could be out for a couple of weeks. Tests being done today. May have broken rib.
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Doc Larkins on Ch 9 had Tucky listed as bruised ribs and "test".
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Shane Tuck to miss two matches with rib damage
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
May 03, 2011
RICHMOND has confirmed Shane Tuck will miss two games with rib damage.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said Tuck had a rib cartilage injury, ruling him out of games against Fremantle and the Western Bulldogs.
Tuck had fought his way back into the side in only the previous week, but was injured early in the win against Brisbane.
"He copped a funny one, he popped the rib cartilage, which is an obscure injury," Hardwick said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/shane-tuck-to-miss-two-matches-with-rib-damage/story-e6frf9jf-1226048691358
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Bad luck. Wish him a speedy return to side
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"He copped a funny one, he popped the rib cartilage, which is an obscure injury," Hardwick said.
Bet it wasn't funny. :rollin
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Jacko a ready made replacement.
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Love Hardwick and would not criticise BUT just wondering why Tucky isn't getting a run. It would seem that we need him in the back line, he is hard, fast, plays tall, is there a problem that he doesn't follow instructions or is he just out of favour? His last game he was on for a quarter and played great. Am I missing something??
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Love Hardwick and would not criticise BUT just wondering why Tucky isn't getting a run. It would seem that we need him in the back line, he is hard, fast, plays tall, is there a problem that he doesn't follow instructions or is he just out of favour? His last game he was on for a quarter and played great. Am I missing something??
Tucky polarises opinions on this thread, MOL! I would'nt call him fast although i do agree about your points! Disposal is an issue and his age! Truth be known, i don't think he will win a final for us so top up player only! Miller is the same, but younger!
BTW, welcome!
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watched Tucky boxing today at the M E Centre looked pretty sharp to me
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IMHO Tuck should have been played from round one, he also should of played in the games that we only just lost and he didn't. His form for Coburg suggested many times that he should have been selected to play more than he has.
Unfortunately he has been on the outer since the start of the season, if we wnated to win games earlier rather than blod youth, he should of played. So why play hime now when we are over half way through the season??? He won't be there next year.
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Love Hardwick and would not criticise BUT just wondering why Tucky isn't getting a run. It would seem that we need him in the back line, he is hard, fast, plays tall, is there a problem that he doesn't follow instructions or is he just out of favour? His last game he was on for a quarter and played great. Am I missing something??
if tuck is in the team in can't be in the backline.
His kicking is not good enough.
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It's a conundrum. We have fallen behind in our clearance work but have improved in disposal efficiency - particularly kicking.
Tucky is good in and under but turns it over.
Not part of the new breed.
A shame liked him but the coach has been pretty consistent from day dot.
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Tucky lacks pace so he can only play in and under. He also has a poor defensive side to his game and as others have mentioned his footskills are average. He just bombs it forward. As one of our few older players he's being overlooked as he's not part of our future. There's only room for one of Jacko and Tucky at best so Jacko gets the nod. Playing both reduces our disposal efficiency and footy smarts.
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Thanks for all the comments, certainly food for thought and Tucky is only one on the list. I just wish more players had his hard ball get ethic and ability, BUT wish he could be infused with kicking smarts. I think he can pass the ball ok but consistency is a problemo. Never mind, will see if he gets in if Jake the Snake is out.
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Tuck in the forward line could work.
I doubt he would be any than hislop. White.
Good size good mark.
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Agree with Bentleigh. Tuck is a good mark. He is an okay kick for goal. His ability to win the hard ball is brilliant and he is a good tackler
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watched Tucky boxing today at the M E Centre looked pretty sharp to me
He might want to look at taking it up then, it appears his future as a footballer is over.
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Tuck in the forward line could work.
I doubt he would be any than hislop. White.
Good size good mark.
The problem with Tucky being in the forward line would be that his forward defensive pressure would be ordinary. Similar to why Morton fell out of favour as a midsize forward. Small/midsized forwards need to be the harrassing chasing tackling constantly at you types these days.
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Ur peeing me off !!!
The bloke has so much more to offer than the hislurps and the brownes.
Just because u have a problem with the bloke.
Be a effing man and put your pride in ur arse for once.
Play Tuck.
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If it was ever going to happen it would have to be against the Dons. If he isn't picked this weekend Dimma will look like a knob if Tuck is picked again before season end!!
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Play tuck? what are you mad? he's not part of the future.
Play the kids, play the kids. There's plenty of kids on our list who can come in and win the hard ball.
There's .......umm,, and there's.....errr. what about ..... ?
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Play tuck? what are you mad? he's not part of the future.
Play the kids, play the kids. There's plenty of kids on our list who can come in and win the hard ball.
There's .......umm,, and there's.....errr. what about ..... ?
Hislop is not part of the future either though Al!
The kids will learn more by playing along side Tucky than they will playing along side Hislop!
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I'll b stuffed if Browne is too
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Agree, the players on your list should be given the opportunities they earn and Tuck has earnt a game.
In my opinion keeping a player on your list and then treating him in this manner is tacky.
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agree with Richo
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agree with Richo
agree 100%
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Agree, the players on your list should be given the opportunities they earn and Tuck has earnt a game.
In my opinion keeping a player on your list and then treating him in this manner is tacky.
In his best Monty Python voice,
"I wished I'd said that!" :clapping
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Play tuck? what are you mad? he's not part of the future.
Play the kids, play the kids. There's plenty of kids on our list who can come in and win the hard ball.
There's .......umm,, and there's.....errr. what about ..... ?
Hislop is not part of the future either though Al!
The kids will learn more by playing along side Tucky than they will playing along side Hislop!
How did hislop come into this?
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Al,i think Hislurp came into this when he came into the side and Tuck didn't.
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Al,i think Hislurp came into this when he came into the side and Tuck didn't.
Spot on Ox!
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oh, Ok. The reply to my post had me a tad confused.
You did detect the touch of sarcasm GR12? I'd have tuck in before hislop and jackson, probably grigg as well.
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oh, Ok. The reply to my post had me a tad confused.
You did detect the touch of sarcasm GR12? I'd have tuck in before hislop and jackson, probably grigg as well.
:lolI have now after re-reading it!
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Doesn't make sense, if Tuck was in at least he would of tried on the weekend.
May not be the greatest but has a big heart Tucky, the team needs to garner some of his honesty.
Grigg I watched closely on the weekend he is just plodding, needs a massive rocket.
Not fair to single but he has been like this for the past 3-4 imo.
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Doesn't make sense, if Tuck was in at least he would of tried on the weekend.
May not be the greatest but has a big heart Tucky, the team needs to garner some of his honesty.
Good point CUB
That's why I was impressed with Rance's game, he showed so much ticker against the Blues, when so many tohers didn't. His efforts shone like a beacon in the ocean compared the majority
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No. Don't play Tuck.
Too many flaws, no future.
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Shane Tuck (Rich)
Potential new home: GWS
SIGNED a two-year extension (with an asterisk) at Punt Rd after a strong finish to last season, but now seems on a road to nowhere at Tigerland.
The asterisk was the clause that stated if Tuck didn't play 15 games this year, there is no second season. That magic number is now out of reach, so don't expect to see Tuck in yellow and black next year.
Tuck seems to win the footy at will when he is in the ones, but always seems to be quickly out the door and back to Coburg.
Surely, the hardened midfielder is already looking elsewhere for a lifeline.
GWS could do worse ... if not in a trade, then late in the draft. At least Tuck is a warrior who can protect the kids for a year or two.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/which-players-couldl-be-trading-places/story-e6frepf6-1226088308539
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Apply that thinking on a constant basis MM and we wouldn't be able to field a full 22
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Exactly. Play Tuck.
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Agree Tuck has got a big heart and takes pride in his performance. Need him in the side. With the exception of Rance very few others showed any heart against Carlton
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"not in our future"
"turns it over"
"no defensive side to him"
:banghead Get stuffed you muppets. BRING BACK SHANE TUCK!
Has more guts than most the blokes running round now. ffs
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Hear hear!
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Lets be honest hes no better than Jackson or Edwards IMHO.
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"not in our future"
"turns it over"
"no defensive side to him"
:banghead Get stuffed you muppets. BRING BACK SHANE TUCK!
Has more guts than most the blokes running round now. ffs
Good call JT, Tuck has more ticker than half the side put together! He needs to play the rest of the season out! Whats the worst that can happen, he increases in trade value??
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"not in our future"
"turns it over"
"no defensive side to him"
:banghead Get stuffed you muppets. BRING BACK SHANE TUCK!
Has more guts than most the blokes running round now. ffs
Good call JT, Tuck has more ticker than half the side put together! He needs to play the rest of the season out! Whats the worst that can happen, he increases in trade value??
Is he rooting Gary March's daughter or something?
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Selecting Tuck would help us win more games this season.
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"not in our future"
"turns it over"
"no defensive side to him"
:banghead Get stuffed you muppets. BRING BACK SHANE TUCK!
Has more guts than most the blokes running round now. ffs
Yeh he's close JT.....He knows what he's got to do and he's working on it. ;D
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well well well looks as though Tuck is the answer for us to start winning again!
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :jump
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He is the answer to an honest effort.
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Don't acknowledge the troll
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He is the answer to an honest effort.
part of the answer more like it, but yeah, thats the point
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You got your wish.
Staggering selection. ???
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Should have played every game this year joke that he did not.
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the sub this week ?
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You got your wish.
Staggering selection. ???
Staggering ? Apparently we can't play Grigg, the thinking man's OTF and Tuck in the same side. So Grigg comes out, Tuck comes in. Seems logical to me. Tuck is in our best 22. poos all over quite a few of the blokes running around in our senior side. Has his faults but by stuff can the bloke win the ball and get us clearances
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I hope he has a ripper this week, Has his flaws like everyone else but I will surely miss him once he's gone :-\
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What he said!
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You got your wish.
Staggering selection. ???
Staggering ? Apparently we can't play Grigg, the thinking man's OTF and Tuck in the same side. So Grigg comes out, Tuck comes in. Seems logical to me. Tuck is in our best 22. poos all over quite a few of the blokes running around in our senior side. Has his faults but by eff can the bloke win the ball and get us clearances
Yep staggering. Dimma is sending mixed messages atm.
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Very disappointed here, very disappointed!!!
Hardwick I have respect for you mate but have a good look at yourself this time!
Tuck should have been in this side all year, had you of played him earlier we would be in a different position now and perhaps some of the lesser type of player we have would of learned how to go hard at a football and get in and under.
You leave him out of the side all year because as I see it you do not believe he is the way forward and he isnt. But if you are going to play him now you look like a clown, you should have played him earlier and he should of stayed in the side.
Now out of desperation you play him, if you decided he was not the way forward early in the year he should not be playing now or again for the rest of the year, you should of stuck to your guns.
Good on you Tuck, but you were let down mate, if it were me I would of told him to stick it and stayed at Coburg!!!
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Top post WA Tiger!
I am not a Tuck fan, but that post was spot on.
Hardwick doesn't know what he is doing ...
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tuck did play earlier in the year and got injured about the time we started to play some half decent footy so found it hard to get back in.
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tuck did play earlier in the year and got injured about the time we started to play some half decent footy so found it hard to get back in.
Yes he did, what I meant was, he has been playing extremely well for Coburg for most of the year, games that warrented selection for most of the year....
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tuck did play earlier in the year and got injured about the time we started to play some half decent footy so found it hard to get back in.
Yes he did, what I meant was, he has been playing extremely well for Coburg for most of the year, games that warrented selection for most of the year....
Should definitely have played round one ::)>:(
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tuck did play earlier in the year and got injured about the time we started to play some half decent footy so found it hard to get back in.
Yes he did, what I meant was, he has been playing extremely well for Coburg for most of the year, games that warrented selection for most of the year....
Should definitely have played round one ::)>:(
Dead right!
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some of you are making out that Shane Tuck is some sort of huge superstar. He is infact a very average 28yo footballer and thats why he has been out of the side.
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some of you are making out that Shane Tuck is some sort of huge superstar. He is infact a very average 28yo footballer and thats why he has been out of the side.
What is it will some of you blokes on here and saying poo like "you make out he's a star"? Who said he's a superstar? Just because you and a few others never rated him doesn't mean he hasn't been one of our best players for the last 7 years. We may not have had many good ones over the years but Tuck has been one of the better ones. had plenty of good finishes in our B&F.
Cop a fat one. Tuck is back...even if it is a one night stand ;D
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Would have to agree with JT here.
Ramps no one with half a brain thinks his a superstar but he is no more part of our future than half the duds on our list so IMO his form warrants a spot in the 22.
How can one justify not playing Tuck ahead of Jackson
Jacking the tagger. LMFAO
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Would have to agree with JT here.
Ramps no one with half a brain thinks his a superstar but he is no more part of our future than half the duds on our list so IMO his form warrants a spot in the 22.
How can one justify not playing Tuck ahead of Jackson
Jacking the tagger. LMFAO
I couldnt justify playing Jackson before Tuck because I wouldnt be playing either of them :lol
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so who would you play to give us some much needed grunt in the center, ramps?
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Tuck only in to act as cannonfodder against the bigger-body Geelong side. Save to bring him in when we have no chance of winning. We will get monstered tomorrow.
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some of you are making out that Shane Tuck is some sort of huge superstar. He is infact a very average 28yo footballer and thats why he has been out of the side.
What is it will some of you blokes on here and saying poo like "you make out he's a star"? Who said he's a superstar? Just because you and a few others never rated him doesn't mean he hasn't been one of our best players for the last 7 years. We may not have had many good ones over the years but Tuck has been one of the better ones. had plenty of good finishes in our B&F.
Cop a fat one. Tuck is back...even if it is a one night stand ;D
:thumbsup
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Tuck is no superstar but he takes pride in his performance doesn't let his head down and he wins the hard ball which we have been smashed in all year. The trick is get the better ball users around Tuck. He wins it and passes off to better carriers of the ball.
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Tuck is no superstar but he takes pride in his performance doesn't let his head down and he wins the hard ball which we have been smashed in all year. The trick is get the better ball users around Tuck. He wins it and passes off to better carriers of the ball.
:thumbsup
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Get stuffed haters ;D
Great to have you back Tucky :thumbsup
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he played newmans role in defence better than newman ever has :shh He hit contests hard, outmarked KPF's one on one and broke tackles. He's not skillfull makes mistakes but he's better value than about 15 players
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he played newmans role in defence better than newman ever has :shh He hit contests hard, outmarked KPF's one on one and broke tackles. He's not skillfull makes mistakes but he's better value than about 15 players
:cheers
Tuck :clapping Cop a fat one haters. Cop a fat one dimma
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you blokes have lost the plot. he was average today in a poor team.
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you blokes have lost the plot. he was average today in a poor team.
Average is brilliant at Richmond.
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he played newmans role in defence better than newman ever has :shh He hit contests hard, outmarked KPF's one on one and broke tackles. He's not skillfull makes mistakes but he's better value than about 15 players
Kenoath,Tony!
Said elsewhere he's better than Newmn.
The fact he's only played 5 this year is a black mark against Hardwicks motives and intellect come selection
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at least tuck never stops having a go
unlike most other players
Edited for avoiding the swear filter
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he played newmans role in defence better than newman ever has :shh He hit contests hard, outmarked KPF's one on one and broke tackles. He's not skillfull makes mistakes but he's better value than about 15 players
Thats a silly comment TM.
Newman has 3 marks from oppositoin kicks and was going at 100% efficiency.
Tuck was great but hes not better than Newman lol
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Tuck is like Rodan was. Our supporters loved him for the effort including the times Rodan used to run around in circles. Tuck is an average player and we need better than him if we are to improve.
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he played newmans role in defence better than newman ever has :shh He hit contests hard, outmarked KPF's one on one and broke tackles. He's not skillfull makes mistakes but he's better value than about 15 players
Thats a silly comment TM.
Newman has 3 marks from oppositoin kicks and was going at 100% efficiency.
Tuck was great but hes not better than Newman lol
Pope Im dead serious, newman is the most unaccountable bloke on our team, at least when Tuck plays the role he makes the contest. Would rather his defensive work than newmans offensive unaccountable rubbish anyday. Newman is overated. Played a handful of good games this year
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Newman goes well when the going is easy.
When it's anything other than that,he plays the same TURN-OVER game our entire back line does.
The whole year,the oly thing that stands out to me was the time he's been dudded by the umps,got angry and committed to throwing his body over the ball.
Other than that,well,i'm merely keeping quiet out of a mythical respect for a captain who is a light improvement on suga.
Tuck= u look like a dumb idiot dimmer
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Newman goes well when the going is easy.
When it's anything other than that,he plays the same TURN-OVER game our entire back line does.
The whole year,the oly thing that stands out to me was the time he's been dudded by the umps,got angry and committed to throwing his body over the ball.
Other than that,well,i'm merely keeping quiet out of a mythical respect for a captain who is a light improvement on suga.
Tuck= u look like a dumb idiot dimmer
bang on brackets!
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Just a few words Damien.........You stuffed up early....Tuck should have been in round 1
Well done Tuck!!!!
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Been screaming for Tucky for weeks, yeah he fs up now and then but doesn't mess around and puts his body on the line, I'll never bag Tucky
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you been screaming for Tuck to get the chop for years hahahaha
Tuck is the only decent footballer RFC have
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Gotta say Tucky as the loose man in defence worked really well
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The statement is,
"As if Tucky couldn't have been a part of the team all year....FFS!!!"
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The reporters from Bigpond Sport have given Tucky a whack despite collecting 32 disposals.....
They don’t record class on the stats sheet.
Shane Tuck played against the Cats on Sunday, satisfying a segment of Richmond fans who have been baying for the midfielder's return. Although the Tigers were predictably smashed at Etihad Stadium, Tuck was busy, collecting 32 touches, four tackles and six marks.
Chris Judd's figures against Essendon on Saturday night are comparable: 33 disposals, 12 tackles, four marks. However, the stats sheet is where the similarity between the two performances ends. Tuck consistently surrendered the ball. Judd terrorised Essendon's defence with the majority of his touches and is surely now one game closer to joining Hayden Bunton, Dick Reynolds, Bob Skilton and Ian Stewart as the only men to have won three Brownlow Medals.
This gulf explains why no one particularly cares about the number or gender of Shane Tuck's kids, and why the Blue part of Melbourne is praying Judd's heavily pregnant partner Rebecca Twigley gives birth to a boy.
http://www.bigpondsport.com/west-coast-dont-need-spies/tabid/91/newsid/74923/default.aspx
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Matt price and michael rogers can get stuffed (I wrote that and not the swear filter, dont like that change either btw ;D)
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Tuck, who started last season in the VFL because of deficiencies in his defensive game, finished up playing the final 20 games for the Tigers last year and was fifth in their club best and fairest award.
He is a possible recruiting target for Greater Western Sydney.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/geelong-put-forward-case-for-defence-in-11goal-demolition-of-toothless-tigers-20110724-1hvcc.html#ixzz1T2F60sMS
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id like to keep him as he's the last "old schooler" footballer on the list but would be interested to hear what was offered
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id like to keep him as he's the last "old schooler" footballer on the list but would be interested to hear what was offered
Agree, while we know he is not the way forward I would have him on the list next year than Edwards and the like. At least with Tuck you get 100% effort out of a man instead of 60% out of the limp we have.
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Good Game. Well done to him
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The reporters from Bigpond Sport have given Tucky a whack despite collecting 32 disposals.....
They don’t record class on the stats sheet.
Shane Tuck played against the Cats on Sunday, satisfying a segment of Richmond fans who have been baying for the midfielder's return. Although the Tigers were predictably smashed at Etihad Stadium, Tuck was busy, collecting 32 touches, four tackles and six marks.
Chris Judd's figures against Essendon on Saturday night are comparable: 33 disposals, 12 tackles, four marks. However, the stats sheet is where the similarity between the two performances ends. Tuck consistently surrendered the ball. Judd terrorised Essendon's defence with the majority of his touches and is surely now one game closer to joining Hayden Bunton, Dick Reynolds, Bob Skilton and Ian Stewart as the only men to have won three Brownlow Medals.
This gulf explains why no one particularly cares about the number or gender of Shane Tuck's kids, and why the Blue part of Melbourne is praying Judd's heavily pregnant partner Rebecca Twigley gives birth to a boy.
http://www.bigpondsport.com/west-coast-dont-need-spies/tabid/91/newsid/74923/default.aspx
I'm not great fan of playing Tuck. Like the boy and the effort he puts in but don't see playing him as vital to our future. Even so this article is a huge piece of manure.
That first paragraph is comparing two totally different styles of players in two totally different teams at two totally different stages of development. I'm not saying Tuck's as good as Judd because obviously he isn't, but at least compare apples with apples you morons.
The third paragraph is a complete load of bull poop. No matter what you think of Shane, those two Rhodes scholars obviously haven't heard of one Michael Tuck. Who cares who a kid's father is. OK Gary Ablett sired Gary Ablett, but how often does a champion footballer raise another champion footballer.
Who the hell is Judd's father? Judd's son may be a future Chris Judd. Could just as easily be a Rhett Bartlett or Simon Hart. (I mean absolutely no disrespect by that comment if you read this Rhett. You are obviously talented in areas other than football).
I reckon Shane has done OK and has just as much chance of having a son who will win a Brownlow.
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To breed a footballer, you must have those who are prepared to show the way.
Tuck is a example of how to play, Protects a midfielder gathering the ball, Gets down & gets the ball, always putting his body on the line.
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To breed a footballer, you must have those who are prepared to show the way.
Tuck is a example of how to play, Protects a midfielder gathering the ball, Gets down & gets the ball, always putting his body on the line.
Totally agree.
Most of our players handball to team mates under the pump
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Who the hell is Judd's father? Judd's son may be a future Chris Judd. Could just as easily be a Rhett Bartlett or Simon Hart. (I mean absolutely no disrespect by that comment if you read this Rhett. You are obviously talented in areas other than football).
I'd bet $1000 that Shane Tucks kids would be better footballers than Chris Judds kid (if it's a boy).
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I remember Wallace taking credit for keeping Tuck at the club.
Well that means Tuck is the dregs of the Wallace/Miller era.
I think Benny Gale and Hardwick must eradicate ALL peoples from that regime players and administration included.
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Superior to Jackson.
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I remember Wallace taking credit for keeping Tuck at the club.
Well that means Tuck is the dregs of the Wallace/Miller era.
I think Benny Gale and Hardwick must eradicate ALL peoples from that regime players and administration included.
if Benny Gale is having input into List Management decision then that's wrong. Because I hate to break it to you that isn't his job
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Tuck is not the answer but he has a go, sure he stuffs it up a bit, probably the rest of the team shocked that a ball is coming towards them, there is something fishy in the tiger Den, some stink, some odour, we have some positives and a lot of negatives, the same negatives that have been plaguing us for the last 25 years, I am sick of the selection mysteries. Personally I will be very sad to see tucky go at the end of the year, he has a lot of positives and a few negatives, surely some one on one coaching could help him out?? or is that too difficult for our "coaching" staff??
Here is the question, ranking the :-[mighty :'( tigers what is the consensus of what number Tuck would be in our top 25 players.?
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reckon Tuck is player 23
Can find 15 players behind him on the list
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Well number 23 may be true and I guess is open to debate, the fact is, he has played in the magoos most of the year and steps up to the plate when called upon, and does a fine job.
If he is number 23 then how come other players are not as effective in ball winning and where the hell are these players when it counts??
Myself I put him in at 14.
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I'd play Tuck as a defender.
What are his specs in comparison to McGuane?
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I would play him up forward.
Can mark, and kicks accurate
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I think he can play forward or back, use him as a utility to try and solidify our spine. He would have to be better than McGone and would be perfect as a foil for Tyrone and big Jack. As long as we recognise his weaknesses and have players running off him to handball to then what can be the problem??
He is 29years old 189cm and 92 kg
McGuane is 24 yo 192 cm and 90kg
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I bet Tuck is BOG against us next year when we play GWS
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I think he can play forward or back, use him as a utility to try and solidify our spine.
Bingo :thumbsup
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Is he the worst kick on the list?
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I think McGuane has that honour, at least he has a go
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I think McGuane has that honour, at least he has a go
Jackson by a mile
Edwards, McGuane, a way back
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jake king can't kick over a jam tin either. tuck is probably one of the best kicks now :lol
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jake king can't kick over a jam tin either. tuck is probably one of the best kicks now :lol
Disagree re: King JT, he has kicked a number of 50mt+ goals in his time up forward. His delivery as a backman was sub-standard to put it mildly but distance in his kicks was never the issue.
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yeah that is true actually. still p!sses some of his disposals up against the wall though.
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its because his brain does not work quick enough.
if he doesnt learn to put the ball to boot and kick for goal when he has the chance his contract renewal will be his last.
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still p!sses some of his disposals up against the wall though.
Yep, agree.
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Will be in a Hawthorn jumper next season
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Will be in a Hawthorn jumper next season
Taking your Collingwood one off and jumping ship to the Hawks mate ?
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We all know it only takes two things to turn a Collingwood jumper into a Hawthorn one...
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We all know it only takes two things to turn a Collingwood jumper into a Hawthorn one...
Poo and Wee?
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What? You're a bloody disgrace Tiger-from-Tas.
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Will be in a Hawthorn jumper next season
Taking your Collingwood one off and jumping ship to the Hawks mate ?
you keep wasting your time posting about the skunks & me
2 teams l hate the most are Collingwood & Carlton so dont waste your time
l keep paying my Richmond membership every year & only post here sowhat drugs do you take or are you wacko :thumbsup
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sowhat drugs do you take or are you wacko :thumbsup
Just messin around Monkey
I can't remember if I take drugs or not but I aint wacko even though my mates have been callin me Anders lately ? What's that about ?
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sowhat drugs do you take or are you wacko :thumbsup
Just messin around Monkey
I can't remember if I take drugs or not but I aint wacko even though my mates have been callin me Anders lately ? What's that about ?
nothing ;D we all Tigers & thats all that counts
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if Tuck played every game how high would you rate him for B&F?
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Brownlow and AA for STucky
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::)
If he played every game this year he would have been top 7 at least, IMO.
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He played around 100 consecutive games circa 2005-2009.
How did he poll in the B&F during that time?
He'd be around 5th at best.
Which says alot about us during that era.
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Brownlow and AA for STucky
Yep, if he played all matches ... ... ... then I would wake up ...
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::)
If he played every game this year he would have been top 7 at least, IMO.
Top 7 ? where'd you pull that one from ? I reckon top 12.253
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If Tuck played every game this year I believe he would finish 7th at the lowest. Does that make sense you limpgot?
pee off with your smartass poo. No one wants to hear it.
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What is not funny is that a servant of the club may be denied life membership because of the non-merit selection policy of the match committee. >:(
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good call
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Surely they could transfer Tivendale's life membership to him?
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13th
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LMFAO
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TUCK GONE?
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
July 28, 2011
Shane Tuck will likely be at another club next year given the Tigers' inability to find a spot for him.
If his management does go spruiking they should take Champion Data's kicking statistics with them.
Last weekend was just one isolated game, but his statistics were impressive.
The perceived knock on Tuck has always been his kicking skills, but he ran at 91 per cent overall effectiveness against a Geelong side famous for its crushing pressure.
His kicking effectiveness was 82 per cent, with nine effective kicks, one clanger, and one ineffective kick.
As a comparison, Trent Cotchin had 13 effective kicks, nine ineffective kicks, and three kick clangers.
Cotchin runs at 60.5 kicking effectiveness per cent for the year, while Tuck is at 72 per cent, well above the competition average of 65.8 per cent.
As Damien Hardwick said post-match, he can't find a spot for everyone.
''Tucky played his role today and did it very well but with (Dustin) Martin, (Nathan) Foley, Cotchin, which one do I leave out? So that's the question," he said.
"But Tucky has been a star with the way he accepts things, he knows where he's at and he performed a really good role today so we were really happy with his game today.''
Hardwick lauded him again in his message to members today.
But Tuck is not part of the next premiership at Richmond, so the club must find out what else is on its list.
If GWS offered him a two-year contract up north, perhaps it would suit both Richmond and the newest expansion club.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/would-lovett-have-won-saints-the-gf/story-fn6cisdj-1226102409452
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See you Tucky.
Tim to move on from players who can't use the ball. Go butcher it up somewhere else.
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See you Tucky.
Tim to move on from players who can't use the ball. Go butcher it up somewhere else.
See you nearly every Richmond player.
Time to move on from players who can't use the ball. Go butcher it up somewhere else, guys...and pack up the club while we're at it.
Seriously, MM...I like your work but your posts on Tuck are just rubbish. Have a bit of bloody respect for a bloke who actually wears the jumper with pride and has been a good player for us. Am prediciting I will get the usual "ok player in a poo" team type response but whatever. I like Tuck and hope he goes well wherever he is next season
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See you Tucky.
Tim to move on from players who can't use the ball. Go butcher it up somewhere else.
See you nearly every Richmond player.
Time to move on from players who can't use the ball. Go butcher it up somewhere else, guys...and pack up the club while we're at it.
Seriously, MM...I like your work but your posts on Tuck are just rubbish. Have a bit of bloody respect for a bloke who actually wears the jumper with pride and has been a good player for us. Am prediciting I will get the usual "ok player in a poo" team type response but whatever. I like Tuck and hope he goes well wherever he is next season
I hope he goes well too elsewhere but my opinion on Shane is not based on how much he plays with passion or whether he's a nice bloke, it's whether he's a decent footballer and on that basis I think he's very ordinary and at the wrong end of his career.
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I reckon he goes alright and has been a good player. Maybe I think that because we've had such a poor group of players over the years and Shane stands out as one of the better ones we have had. Agree to disagree anyway. I respect your opinion
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have always asked in your 22 how many poor kicks decision makers can you carry. i always had it at around 4 but those 4 had to bring something really decent to the table to offset this weakness.
for me tuck was one of the poor kicks i was prepared to tolerate foley another because of their very good inside work.a bash crash ruckman and a very good runwith player would be the other two.tuck actually brings more to the table than many players we do give plenty of games to. white king nahas connors jackson grigg edwards to name a few all poor kicks imo but all dont give as much as tuck.
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See you Tucky.
Tim to move on from players who can't use the ball. Go butcher it up somewhere else.
See you nearly every Richmond player.
Time to move on from players who can't use the ball. Go butcher it up somewhere else, guys...and pack up the club while we're at it.
Seriously, MM...I like your work but your posts on Tuck are just rubbish. Have a bit of bloody respect for a bloke who actually wears the jumper with pride and has been a good player for us. Am prediciting I will get the usual "ok player in a poo" team type response but whatever. I like Tuck and hope he goes well wherever he is next season
Well said cocko, when I think of Tuck I see everything that Schulztch wasn't.
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Yep another gutsy performance by Tucky good or bad at least he goes.. he goes.. he just goes!
I'd keep him and get rid of plenty of others before him and would love to see him running around in the Y and B next season.
All you blokes who whine about his disposals just look around, he ain't Robinson Crusoe, surely the coaching staff's job is to help these guys improve their disposals.
YOU CAN TEACH DISPOSALS, YOU CAN'T TEACH HEART AND GUTS. GO TUCKY
Plus All the cr-p that's come out about Melbourne D's you would have to wonder what we have lurking in our closets. There would be PPPPPlenty!
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have always asked in your 22 how many poor kicks decision makers can you carry. i always had it at around 4 but those 4 had to bring something really decent to the table to offset this weakness.
for me tuck was one of the poor kicks i was prepared to tolerate foley another because of their very good inside work.a bash crash ruckman and a very good runwith player would be the other two.tuck actually brings more to the table than many players we do give plenty of games to. white king nahas connors jackson grigg edwards to name a few all poor kicks imo but all dont give as much as tuck.
Spot on claw - people bang on about his poor disposal - their are plenty at Punt rd whose disposal is just as bad and dont bring half of what he does to the table
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l would have Tuck in my top 12 anyday. He is set to walk away from our toothless club to another next season who will treat him better. Again this will affect the club & be another bad decision.
If Hardwick had any brains at all ;D He should use Tucky to his full protential & have him protecting & releasing Cotchin & Martin instead of a deluded Jackson, Foley & Edwards. Dont have to be a AFL coach to see that
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l would have Tuck in my top 12 anyday. He is set to walk away from our toothless club to another next season who will treat him better. Again this will affect the club & be another bad decision.
If Hardwick had any brains at all ;D He should use Tucky to his full protential & have him protecting & releasing Cotchin & Martin instead of a deluded Jackson, Foley & Edwards. Dont have to be a AFL coach to see that
Yaar Tiger Monk I am praying at your Chapel
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"He should use Tucky to his full protential & have him protecting & releasing Cotchin & Martin" totally agree. Use Tuck's strength in getting hard ball and get better ball users around him
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The bodyguard
Jake Niall
August 10, 2011
OF THE various factors cited as responsible for the disturbing blowouts in recent weeks and for the vast gap between best and worst teams, the most underestimated is what you might call the Shane Tuck trap.
Tuck has played only six games this season, but has played in three winning teams. When the Tigers were smashed by Carlton by 103 points in round 15, neither Tuck nor fellow hard body Brad Miller were in the 22, and they didn't play in the club's no less humiliating loss to Gold Coast a fortnight later.
To the chagrin of many Richmond people, including Kevin Bartlett, Tuck is regularly overlooked for selection, even though he would appear to be more capable of competing - certainly physically - than many of the skinny cubs who play regularly.
The reason Tuck doesn't play more often is no mystery. He's an older journeyman, with some disposal limitations, and the Tigers would prefer to put games into youngsters than invest in a 29-year-old who won't be part of their next premiership-contending team (whenever that happens).
Having slumped to their lowest ebb in the Carlton and Gold Coast games, the Tigers recalled Tuck for the Geelong game in round 18, which shaped as a massacre. Tuck, presumably aware of what's at stake - his career - responded with 32 disposals to be one of Richmond's best. He followed up with 29 touches against West Coast.
Geelong beat Richmond by 10 goals but, in the context of the beatings inflicted by Geelong, Collingwood and Carlton over inexperienced and lowly teams of late, a 62-point loss to the Cats borders on respectable.
The Tigers were far better against the Eagles in Perth on Sunday, despite the 57-point margin. At three-quarter-time, they trailed by 27 and were competitive for much of the game.
The presence of Tuck and Miller against West Coast undoubtedly helped coach Damien Hardwick to sandbag the extent of the loss, just as Melbourne might have suffered fewer blowouts this year had it retained James McDonald and Cameron Bruce and given its answer to Tuck and Miller - Joel Macdonald - more games.
Richmond and Melbourne are more prone to severe beatings than, say, Sydney, because they've taken uncompromising paths in building a list, adopting a Logan's Run approach (a 1970s sci-fi film in which everyone is incinerated on their 30th birthday).
It is no coincidence that the clubs that have taken the most pure versions of youth policies are those that have suffered the greatest blowouts. Gold Coast, obviously, is the standout example.
With half a team comprised of teenagers every week, thrashings are not only expected and even predicted by the Suns, they're considered excusable. Kids simply cannot compete with the men of Geelong.
The Port Adelaide that was subjected to the club's largest defeat had just half a dozen 100-game players, and one of them was Chad Cornes, who has been used sparingly this year for the same reason as Tuck. Collingwood might have given some kids a game - Luke Rounds and Alex Fasolo - but those youngsters were surrounded by hard bodies; the Pies had no less than 13 players with 100 games-plus experience on Saturday.
As Port football operations chief and ex-Bulldogs coach Peter Rohde noted last night, the ''bigger, stronger, mature'' teams have increased their advantage over the young sides, ''especially as the year's worn on''.
Rohde and others in list-management roles observe that the list-building template today is to invest games in youngsters as soon as possible. Necessarily, this means fewer opportunities for the likes of Tuck and Miller, whose only hope of getting a regular game is to perform the role of bodyguards for the kids - protecting them from physical punishment that mature monsters can mete out.
As in life, inequality has many causes in the AFL. But the fashion of pursuing a pure youth track, best illustrated by Tuck's tribulations, is perhaps the elephant in the blowout room.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-bodyguard-20110809-1il12.html#ixzz1UYJi6vn3
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If they must de-list him, put him on the rookie list. Compared to Hislop & Miller, he is a far better option.
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Club have made a mistake with Tuck.they won't up to it either
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Club have made a mistake with Tuck.they won't up to it either
In your opinion. Fellow posters decide how much that opinion is worth for themselves.
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Club have made a mistake with Tuck.they won't up to it either
Fellow posters decide how much that opinion is worth for themselves.
SFA, IMO :lol
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How can the club not take up Tucks contract.
Just give him another year get him to get the tough ball. I reckon he would have been the difference in 3 games this year. Carlton opener, St Kilda and Sydney. Probably Port as well as he get in and grabs the ball.
I thought Post played a good game. Edwards did some really good stuff and although one raindrop doesn't make a storm at least he had some recognition and results from the 1 percenters.
Foley's disposal wasn't the best and Farmer still has work to do.
I find it interesting to note that when Tuck makes a bad kick everyone is onto him, when the cotch makes a bad decision well that is OK.
When Cotch was shut down maybe switch with Delidio for 10 minutes, give lids a short run in the centre and Cotch a chance to deliver from the backline. Would this be unrealistic??
End of the day they are only footy players and are going to make mistakes. At least they are having a dip.
Great effort and I thought Thursfield combined well with Rance. There were some good desperate efforts and the team seemed to 'Gel"
Good to see Jacky R reverse leading and also delivering to reverse leads.
At the end of the day if we delist Tucky and Thursfield I think a great mistake. Post should get more game time. Will be exciting next year with Grimes and Moore back in. I also thought that the back line was much better without McGuane. Is there any light for him??
Rance is getting better and better. Nahas was excellent.
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I guess it's not all about Tuck. Depends on whether he has any trade value and also whats available at Coburg and in the draft.
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I think Tucky was out working on things too. In the past he was very good at winning ball but it was what he did with it, now he is making good use of the ball he wins. He seems to be marking a lot more than in the past too and competing around the ground in a more positive way than just bulldozing through packs. I don't think at the start of the year he would of been playing like that, some of these things are new dimensions to his game and they have made him a lot more potent.
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I think Tucky was out working on things too. In the past he was very good at winning ball but it was what he did with it, now he is making good use of the ball he wins. He seems to be marking a lot more than in the past too and competing around the ground in a more positive way than just bulldozing through packs. I don't think at the start of the year he would of been playing like that, some of these things are new dimensions to his game and they have made him a lot more potent.
i agree. In the past he was like a tougher version of Andrew Raines. Get the ball and boot it. Sort of like a defensive Wayne Campbell but with more heart.
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You know Owl I think you are right. Tuck's disposal has improved in these 3 games back.
I would imagine that our coaches would work with players to identify their weaknesses deficiencies and improve their overall game. So well done to the coaching staff :clapping :whistle ????
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Interesting to note Andrew Raines seems to be developing nicely.
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I realise this but everyone is sh it canning the decision to leave him out so long. I was trying to be subtle lol
I actually thought Raines could of been or maybe still could be a good footballer.
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Tuck played very well against the swans. He set up scoring opportunities. He deserves to get another contract. He has a positive effect on the side.
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I find it interesting to note that when Tuck makes a bad kick everyone is onto him, when the cotch makes a bad decision well that is OK
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
stuffen rawlings,wallace and fuckwick have all burnt tuck.
IMBECILE COACHES.
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I find it interesting to note that when Tuck makes a bad kick everyone is onto him, when the cotch makes a bad decision well that is OK
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
stuffen rawlings,wallace and stuffwick have all burnt tuck.
IMBECILE COACHES.
I think you will find that Tuck played all games under Rawlings Ox ;D
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If Tuck isn't on our list next year it is a mistake, just as npot playing him so far has been.
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I find it interesting to note that when Tuck makes a bad kick everyone is onto him, when the cotch makes a bad decision well that is OK
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
stuffen rawlings,wallace and stuffwick have all burnt tuck.
IMBECILE COACHES. ;D
I think you will find that Tuck played all games under Rawlings Ox ;D
stuff him anyway....and get stuffed too
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can someone start a FB page titled "Re-Sign Shane Tuck,Morons!"
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can someone start a FB page titled "Re-Sign Shane Tuck,Morons!"
Who ya callin a moron?
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The morons.
The club.
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Rekon he gets the players up and about too with the way he plays
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Rekon he gets the players up and about too with the way he plays
Some truth in that I reckon 'sauras. :thumbsup
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From today's Age - A Flair Question.....
NEVER before has football been so structured and regimented: the forward press, defensive zones, stoppage set-ups, stoppage hitting zones, kick-in plans, forward starting points, rolling up, folding back, mid turnovers, ball-movement patterns, defensive pressure acts, scoring charts, rotation plans, red-zone fatigue indicators.
Supporters of all clubs would instantly be able to name players who mystify them as to why they are not getting a regular game of senior football. They cite talent alone in their argument for more regular appearances and game time. Talent alone is no longer enough.
Shane Tuck is a case in point. Commentators and talkback callers have been mystified as to why he hasn't had more game time. The fact remains that while Tuck's numbers in terms of contested football and clearances warrant selection every week, his inability to get his head around Damien Hardwick's demands when he doesn't have the football - or is in pursuit of the football - count against him.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a-flair-question-20110819-1j2jn.html#ixzz1VV6QQh4n
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From today's Age - A Flair Question.....
Shane Tuck is a case in point. Commentators and talkback callers have been mystified as to why he hasn't had more game time. The fact remains that while Tuck's numbers in terms of contested football and clearances warrant selection every week, his inability to get his head around Damien Hardwick's demands when he doesn't have the football - or is in pursuit of the football - count against him.
That's always been the slight on Tucky even when Wallace was coach. Lovely bloke who is a ball winning machine but just isn't too bright...
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same could be said about dusty martin
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way it up , keep to the 2 turnover clowns ( edwards and Jackson ) or keep someone who has a decent crack !
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way it up , keep to the 2 turnover clowns ( edwards and Jackson ) or keep someone who has a decent crack !
But aren't you the one who keeps going on and ON about the club not being a charity ::) ::)
Under your very own criteria "having a decent crack" should mean squat.... your rules not mine ;D ;D
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seen many players drop there heads in games this year. Tuck doesnt , very simple.
No we aint a charity
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The reality is neither Tucky, Jacko or Edwards are going to take us forward to a flag so which is more worthy to remain on our list is a moot point. Despite the big win last week there was still plenty of the usual dumb decision making and disposals out there. The first quarter was some of the worst footy you will ever see by both sides. Thinking slowly and reactively at AFL level is now just as bad as a poor disposals as you still kill the forward momentum of each play.
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Who has proven that they can take us forward to a flag??? Ben Nason?
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nearly time to go see the messiah Tucky ;D
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I reckon Nason was being given time to develop this year, he can play, as he proved in his first year with us, which was a pretty good effort considering where he came from. He also needed to put on some muscle which takes time and is, harder again when you do so much running. Maybe he will reappear like some of our other players, next year and surprise us all.
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I reckon Nason was being given time to develop this year, he can play, as he proved in his first year with us, which was a pretty good effort considering where he came from. He also needed to put on some muscle which takes time and is, harder again when you do so much running. Maybe he will reappear like some of our other players, next year and surprise us all.
Maybe Nason will surprise himself ::)
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You don't think he played some good football last year Jack? Honest question. I thought he was quite good given his size and that he was a 1st year player from the boonies.
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You don't think he played some good football last year Jack? Honest question. I thought he was quite good given his size and that he was a 1st year player from the boonies.
although one year doesnt make a career, been very poor this year, very poor
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yes but he has only played a few games this year. I suspected he had been kept aside like a few other players had, to work on things, like Tucky and Kingy. Just my thought on it. Could be he has cracked it or become homesick, or just not working hard enough as well I realise.
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You don't think he played some good football last year Jack? Honest question. I thought he was quite good given his size and that he was a 1st year player from the boonies.
although one year doesnt make a career, been very poor this year, very poor
You said Rance wouldn't make it and you've admitted he's now looking good - so you are correct in saying one year doens't make a career
I reckon Nason hasn't really been given a proper go this year along with a few others
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You don't think he played some good football last year Jack? Honest question. I thought he was quite good given his size and that he was a 1st year player from the boonies.
although one year doesnt make a career, been very poor this year, very poor
Absolutely correct Jackie, on year does not make a career, yet you write players off after one game, perhaps even before a game is played in dea's case.
Go figure!
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You don't think he played some good football last year Jack? Honest question. I thought he was quite good given his size and that he was a 1st year player from the boonies.
although one year doesnt make a career, been very poor this year, very poor
Absolutely correct Jackie, on year does not make a career, yet you write players off after one game, perhaps even before a game is played in dea's case.
Go figure!
as this is at elite level. not beginners, go and figure will you
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also, why would anyone recruit someone after 3 TAC games, thats why we are the worst performing Melbourne Club
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Well yeah, even I started to think poor old Rance was for the chop, and he turned that round magnificently. My point was that, the coaching and development crew are doing major surgery with some of our players rather than just a one or two week patch up in the magoos. And some of them have come back like new men. In fact, at one stage I thought Kingy and Nahas were goners too, I loved both of their efforts but I thought they were not quite there and now they would be two names I would have every week without a blink. Whomever is doing the reprogramming in the background is a stuffing genius, make sure they are on a solid contract! :bow
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wouldnt think jake king is a certainity, dont get too carried away.. played 2 good quarters last week after 6 poor games
Rance has improved heaps in last month, credit where its due.
As a group, i dont think there has been much improvement if any, several players have gone backwards or have had NO improvment what so ever, where you have improvement in some players, others havent . eg Nason, Post.McGaune, Graham, Farmer, Jackson, Edwards,Thursfield, Browne,Goudis,Hicks, Webberley, Hislop,O.Reilly, Contin, ( 15 players )
So Rance has improved, tick there
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You don't think he played some good football last year Jack? Honest question. I thought he was quite good given his size and that he was a 1st year player from the boonies.
although one year doesnt make a career, been very poor this year, very poor
Absolutely correct Jackie, on year does not make a career, yet you write players off after one game, perhaps even before a game is played in dea's case.
Go figure!
as this is at elite level. not beginners, go and figure will you
you'd make politician no doubt jacko.
your deflections remind me of of wonder woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqN6uaLCn8c
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wonder woman, what a honey ;) ;) ;) ;) :birthday
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wouldnt think jake king is a certainity, dont get too carried away.. played 2 good quarters last week after 6 poor games
Rance has improved heaps in last month, credit where its due.
As a group, i dont think there has been much improvement if any, several players have gone backwards or have had NO improvment what so ever, where you have improvement in some players, others havent . eg Nason, Post.McGaune, Graham, Farmer, Jackson, Edwards,Thursfield, Browne,Goudis,Hicks, Webberley, Hislop,O.Reilly, Contin, ( 15 players )So Rance has improved, tick there
Theres not 1 high quality AFL player in that group. Infact I'd suggest that most if not all of them would struggle to become good AFL players let alone stars.
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wonder woman, what a honey ;) ;) ;) ;) :birthday
I doubt you have have that part in common with her :laugh:
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LOL just because you made a list don't make it a fact Jack, and that's a fact. Some of those names are preposterous to list at this stage of their development honestly.
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LOL just because you made a list don't make it a fact Jack, and that's a fact. Some of those names are preposterous to list at this stage of their development honestly.
Good chance that the majority wont be on ANY list in 2012.
great development, great recruiting.
Seriously, Mitch Farmer ::) Hicks ::) etc
who are they trying to kid? You Owl , LOL
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Those that have improved from last year - Cotchin, Vickery, Rance, Grimes, Batchelor, Foley, Thursfield (imho has finally found his place), Dea, Browne, Nahas and King.
Positive inclusions to the squad - Houli, Batchelor, Conca, Grigg, Helbig and Miller (short term).
Earlier in the season Dusty would have been top of that list too.
So for mine that is 17 or 18 positive improvements to the squad compared to your 15 possible players who you metioned may have had a stagnant season or gone backwards.
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Batchelors first year .Browne has played past month at Coburg.yep he has improved.lol adjust the numbers .list hasn't improved .by the way .Thursfield played ok last week.hasn't improved.gone backwards from 2-3 years ago.fact
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Stripes- Foley Improved?
Get of the meds man
The guy is a liability and has never added anything to his game the whole time hes been at richmond.
We tend to do that with our "talent"
We're from tigaland
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Foley was All Australian 3 years ago.i.no where near that form now.very patchy
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Batchelors first year .Browne has played past month at Coburg.yep he has improved.lol adjust the numbers .list hasn't improved .by the way .Thursfield played ok last week.hasn't improved.gone backwards from 2-3 years ago.fact
Why Jack would you tell me yesterday (in another thread) that Thurstfield should get another contract next year? If he has gone so far backward in the last 2-3 years, why????
Usually like most of your posts Jack but you do tend to change your mind from day to day. :thumbsup
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Foley was All Australian 3 years ago.i.no where near that form now.very patchy
Ever heard of Injury? Just look at Kerr the last couple of seasons compared to this one! I wouldn't write off Foley just yet ;)
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excuses, excuses! :whistle
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Hate excuses.
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Hate excuses.
No, you just hate when your made look like a fool :wallywink :wallywink
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Batchelors first year .Browne has played past month at Coburg.yep he has improved.lol adjust the numbers .list hasn't improved .by the way .Thursfield played ok last week.hasn't improved.gone backwards from 2-3 years ago.fact
Why Jack would you tell me yesterday (in another thread) that Thurstfield should get another contract next year? If he has gone so far backward in the last 2-3 years, why????
Usually like most of your posts Jack but you do tend to change your mind from day to day. :thumbsup
keep him as a back up
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Tucky is fine when he keeps it simple and kicks long but when he tries to short pass or kick around the body the ball just goes anywhere but to a teammate. He can get the pill but it's using it which is the problem and that's why Dimma wouldn't play him in the seniors until recently. Tucky's not the sharpest tool in the shed and is a slow thinker. Not on his own in that department mind you.
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Tucky is fine when he keeps it simple and kicks long but when he tries to short pass or kick around the body the ball just goes anywhere but to a teammate. He can get the pill but it's using it which is the problem and that's why Dimma wouldn't play him in the seniors until recently. Tucky's not the sharpest tool in the shed and is a slow thinker. Not on his own in that department mind you.
Blame the coach then MT.
If ,as u say,Tuck is good when such and such is the case,the coach him with directives.
Mate,4 weeks ago Dikka wouldn't even look at him and why?
Because he wanted/wants the option of being able to hole the bloke thru the clause in his contract that stipulates if he only plays x amount of games,the club can stuff him offf.
Dikka today said"Tuck just never stops giving his all for the club"
stuff off u essendon sucking dog- cant have it both ways.
U look like the clueless hole stuffstick u r,
Go crunch some more numbers and sell more home games u weak,over-rated dog.
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Must keep Tuck next year, MUST.
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Tucky is fine when he keeps it simple and kicks long but when he tries to short pass or kick around the body the ball just goes anywhere but to a teammate. He can get the pill but it's using it which is the problem and that's why Dimma wouldn't play him in the seniors until recently. Tucky's not the sharpest tool in the shed and is a slow thinker. Not on his own in that department mind you.
Blame the coach then MT.
If ,as u say,Tuck is good when such and such is the case,the coach him with directives.
Mate,4 weeks ago Dikka wouldn't even look at him and why?
Because he wanted/wants the option of being able to hole the bloke thru the clause in his contract that stipulates if he only plays x amount of games,the club can stuff him offf.
Dikka today said"Tuck just never stops giving his all for the club"
stuff off u essendon sucking dog- cant have it both ways.
U look like the clueless hole stuffstick u r,
Go crunch some more numbers and sell more home games u weak,over-rated dog.
100% correct.
The RFC want an option to stuff him off when they desire. Thats the ONLY reaon why he wasnt playing ealier.
Edit: edited quote
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Daniel-its just another example of pathetic admin and clueless coaching
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Must keep Tuck next year, MUST.
if Tuck gets arseholed then that will be it for me.
Straw.Camels back
Go the All Blacks!
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Must keep Tuck next year, MUST.
if Tuck gets arseholed then that will be it for me.
Straw.Camels back
Go the All Blacks!
Agree but won't follow the All Blacks..... :lol
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Must keep Tuck next year, MUST.
if Tuck gets arseholed then that will be it for me.
Straw.Camels back
Go the All Blacks!
Agree but won't follow the All Blacks..... :lol
You can start following Melbourne, it will help you get your tanking fix :-*
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Tucky does it again, true footballer always hard at it & can find his own ball.
Did have a few mistakes l must admit, But hell his workrate & getting the ball so often WTF were RFC thinking holding the team back by not playing him :banghead
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Tuck is a champion, I can't believe that he has been ommitted as often as he has. Has been one of the very few who, when given the opportunity, grinded out effort after effort. Imagine his skill level if he had been played in every game possible this year. Anyone got the coaches number?
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He has been terrific since back and yesterday was no exception to that :thumbsup
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Huge mistake by Dimma and the RFC
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Thought he was good but also made some really poor decisions and that is IMHO his big weakness
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Thought he was good but also made some really poor decisions and that is IMHO his big weakness
He came back for the game against the Cats and we have played very competitive football ever since. Coincidence?
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Major issue with Shane is that he has to be reminded where to stand at stoppages etc.sat down on fence yesterday and his team mates were continually yelling at him where to go etc.interesting
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Thought he was good but also made some really poor decisions and that is IMHO his big weakness
He came back for the game against the Cats and we have played very competitive football ever since. Coincidence?
Nope, and you can throw Miller into that equation as well Y&B. Both have had a big impact on the team structure since returning - Tucky for his hardness and ball extraction, Miller for his intelligent and team-focused work presenting as the 2nd and 3rd forward option.
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Miller is very good in regards to leading up the ground and creating room in F50 for others
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Major issue with Shane is that he has to be reminded where to stand at stoppages etc.sat down on fence yesterday and his team mates were continually yelling at him where to go etc.interesting
Yep and that is one of the main reasonw he hasn't been playing. Look I think he is great, never question his work ethic, his hardness at the contest but he really does struggle with certain parts of the game and the days of just being able to throw the ball onto your boot have sadly passed
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every player has their faults, its very hard to have a player with the complete package. Even Judd makes mistakes. The players can learn alot playing beside Tucky & we need his hardness at the ball in our side to develope others.
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every player has their faults, its very hard to have a player with the complete package. Even Judd makes mistakes. The players can learn alot playing beside Tucky & we need his hardness at the ball in our side to develope others.
True words TM.
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Say it once say it again> Tuckys efforts somehow gets into others and makes them have a dip. If he is doing something wrong coach him what you want him to do. That is what we have coaches for ??. NO Tuck = NO GUTS. He made a couple of shockers in the last 1/4 BUT if you watch him he does tend to attempt a delivery and does not just bomb it long. His good far outweighs his worst and his effort makes up for his deficiencies. If you compared Tucky's effort, disposal and effectiveness to Griggs I know Tucky is on top by a country miiiiiiile.
We are starting to get a cohesive list, players like Tucky can be discarded BUT you can't buy toughness and heart. Another year for the Tuckster PLEEEASE
Thirsty is going very well, now he is combining with the Postman, Lids and Rance, we are starting, and I stress starting, to have a backline. Amazing.
Seems to work much better with McGuane out. Sorry Luke.
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Saw Farmer directing traffic in the backline a couple of times yesterday.
Interestingly they listened and took directions.
:thumbsup
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Tuck is a champion, I can't believe that he has been ommitted as often as he has. Has been one of the very few who, when given the opportunity, grinded out effort after effort. Imagine his skill level if he had been played in every game possible this year. Anyone got the coaches number?
If Shane Tuck is a champion Im an astronaut. Lets be serious, hes a hard at it footballer and thats just about it. Supporters at Richmond once again overrating a good ordinary player. :banghead
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every player has their faults, its very hard to have a player with the complete package. Even Judd makes mistakes. The players can learn alot playing beside Tucky & we need his hardness at the ball in our side to develope others.
Now thats a sensible post. Tuck may have a role to play. For me the one thing he can bring is protecting some of the midfield. he can take some hits for cotchin who still has 10 years+ to play.
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Never said Tucky was a champion BUT he does have a go and you can't knock that.
Nah stuff it, the amount he has been mucked around by RFC and to come in and try his guts out he is a champion, When is your next moon mission taking off??
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i for one hope tuck is around next year and jackson gets traded
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i for one hope tuck is around next year and jackson gets traded
I think thats a fair outcome. I'd keep Tuck as insurance as long as Jackson is traded out.
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every player has their faults, its very hard to have a player with the complete package. Even Judd makes mistakes. The players can learn alot playing beside Tucky & we need his hardness at the ball in our side to develope others.
True words TM.
:yep
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i for one hope tuck is around next year and jackson gets traded
Agree
Can't keep both of them and Jacko has more currency
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At least Tuck just gets it forward and trys to put us in a better position. Jackson plays like a millionaire- we cant afford anymore. TRADE! TRADE! TRADE!
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I'll take a fast quick kick forward, and a forward who knows to play in front, any time.
Poor old tucky cops more than he deserves.
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i for one hope tuck is around next year and jackson gets traded
Even I agree :thumbsup
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I think it's insightful to look at the way the Skunks do it.
They don't seem to have run-with players (Jacko) or taggers (whoever). They have mids who support and attack when the Skunks have the ball and defend & harass when they don't have the ball. They have inside mids and outside mids.
Jacko doesn't quite make it as either inside or outside, doesn't get enough clearances if he is an inside and doesn't get enough handball receives if he is an outside.
Tucky is clearly an inside, but doesn't spread and doesn't defend.
If Dimma is trying to emulate the midfield of the Skunks, neither fits the position description.
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...so you trade the one with the greatest value.
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i for one hope tuck is around next year and jackson gets traded
Even I agree :thumbsup
Well then, that can't be the right thing to do.
I say trade Tuck and keep Jacko.
:lol
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In the room with Tucky after the game:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/382518/in-the-rooms-shane-tuck/
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As highlighted by Paul "My poo dont stink" Roos, Tucky doesn't run hard enough defensively, in fact he's pretty lazy, and it costs us goals. Personally think his good outweighs his bad, but poor defensive running is a cancer, and not good enough from a senior player.
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Will be elsewhere next season.
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Tucky gets the hard ball and has featured in our top 3 possession getters every week since he has been back. Defensive running is a strong valid point but how much running can one player do?
How much defensive running does Jack do? Grigg gave up at least 4 chases on the w/e.
Tucky is going pretty well on the tackle count and contested ball count. I am sure all you people who want him gone also wanted Maxfield gone and I am not comparing Tucky to Stewy BUT we are very good at getting rid of effective players and keeping DUDS. I think we may have started to turn that corner. There are plenty of other who can leave B4 Tucky. I am happy to be proven wrong but he is racking up some good numbers and facts are facts!!!
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I am sure all you people who want him gone also wanted Maxfield gone
No. Maxfield was an excellent kick. Just ask Tony Lockett.
I'd be quite happy if neither Tuck OR Jackson were on our list in 2012.
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SHANE TUCK
The Buzz
By Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
August 24, 2011
Shane Tuck might not play in Richmond's eleventh premiership, but then again Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin and Reece Conca might not either.
What sometimes gets lost in the wash with ambitious five-year plans and premiership quests is that most Tigers supporters don't even consider winning flags.
They just want to see their side playing winning football, and if they don't win then hopefully they have a crack.
Tuck embodies that have-a-dip mantra, which is why Tigers supporters want him in their team most weeks.
Surely Tuck playing as an inside midfielder and Martin, Cotchin and co developing as players are not mutually exclusive.
Not when most sides need 8-10 midfielders going through their rotations.
The 29-year-old, who boasts four top-five b-and-f results in the past five years, is believed to need to play 15 games this year to trigger the second year of his contract.
He can get to ten games if he plays the last two matches.
But surely another one-year deal wouldn't be unreasonable in a Richmond side which has almost no veteran players.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/why-mick-malthouse-and-ross-lyon-could-coach-elsewhere-if-they-want-next-year/story-fn6cisdj-1226120732949
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Good.
Even the media are onto the stupidity Hardwick has displayed in ignoring Tuck.
stuffwit.
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Tuck should play next year.
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Barry Hall is playing good footy too towards the finish line.
I disagree that we should give Tucky another year despite his late season run.
Enough of the up & unders and turnovers.
Trust your judgement Dimma, move him on.
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Is there some other way to keep Tucky?? Can Tucky be added as a mature aged player?? or is he not old enough.?? I think a 1 year extension is good. We are going to be getting rid of at least 6 players this year and a tough nut like tuck has got to be good for the younger players.
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GWS him and Jackson for the 17yo and through in a draft pick of ours if we have to (not our first rounder).
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GWS him and Jackson for the 17yo and through in a draft pick of ours if we have to (not our first rounder).
yep we need a 17 year old from GWS. Surely Dimma can see this
Issue is Tuck aint worth much but Jackson would help us get that kid and lets face it he aint going to get much better, ditto Edwards. They are what they are.
Its a no brainer IMO. Tuck stays as insurance, Jackson goes in a package. We cant surely keep both
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I can live with that as long as we don't make a Tambling/Buddy or Fiora/Pavlich decision
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TRADE THAT FAKE ASS FOLEY FFS!
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Keep up the good work Tucky for another two weeks and hopefully some club topping up for a flag might take a punt. His form at the equivalent stage last year was not as good as it is this year so hopefully someone comes fishing.
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The Age has Tucky going at the end of the season...
(http://images.theage.com.au/2011/08/25/2582432/art-353-svCLUBSLOSING-200x0.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/going-going-gone-20110825-1jcld.html
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Shane Tuck brings maturity to the Tigers' young list
by: Courtney Walsh
From: The Australian
November 11, 2011
FOR a player placed three times in Richmond's club champion award, Shane Tuck has long presented as a troublesome selection for the Tigers.
Never has there been any doubt about the ability of the 29-year-old, who was yesterday granted another year on Richmond's list, to win the ball. The son of AFL games record holder Michael Tuck has averaged almost 24 touches a match from 140 games.
That is better by one than AFL champion Chris Judd's average from 222 matches. This year's Brownlow medallist Dane Swan has picked up 25 a game.
Unlike those stars, Tuck was unable to command a regular game this year, given the priority coach Damien Hardwick placed on his Tigers retaining possession of the ball.
Tuck's extension comes at a time his troubled brother, Travis, is hopeful of another chance given his recovery from the drug problem that led to him to becoming the first player to record three positive strikes.
While Tuck has always been able to win the ball, his use of it has been questionable at best.
At a time when accuracy of possession is increasingly valued -- new Collingwood director of coaching Rodney Eade this week described it as a premium -- it is a chief weakness.
Richmond's general manager of football Craig Cameron yesterday said Tuck and Daniel Jackson, the hard-bodied but suspension-prone Tiger, were retained given the maturity they offered a young list, of which only six players have more than 100 games of experience.
"The value they provide such a young playing list through their experience at the game's highest level, their strong bodies around the contest, and capacity to win their own ball is something we certainly appreciate," he said.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/shane-tuck-brings-maturity-to-the-tigers-young-list/story-e6frg7mf-1226191890775
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"The value they provide such a young playing list through their experience at the game's highest level, their strong bodies around the contest, and capacity to win their own ball is something we certainly appreciate," he said.
The 'experience' aspect is overrated IMO. Give me players that can use the football over 'experience' any day of the week.
We still a fair way away if we're giving these guys contracts still.
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The proof is in the pudding, Tuck came in we started winning. He is strong bastard and wins the football tussles he is involved in. He was also using the football pretty well, so whatever work he was doing during his time out of the side worked. I believe he slotted a few tidy shots on goal too. Until you can show me his replacement, who can fight in an under against a couple of opposition and still stop them taking the ball or even pinch it off of them and dig it out for us...Ill be glad to see the big ropey fella out there for us again.
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Well said Owl.
Mr Magic, I take your point but i think the advantages of Tuck far outweigh the negatives. Its no coincidence that we vastly improved as a side when he was playing. His big body and ball winning ability is invaluable in a young team.
Like Miller, as soon as a young kid is ready to replace him, then he will be demoted. Fact is though, we dont have anyone on the list that looks even half ready to replace Tucky.
This draft is crucial.
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Willy and Owl - good points. I agree totally. :thumbsup
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The proof is in the pudding, Tuck came in we started winning.
Proof? That's funny.
Show me the evidence.
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Don't get yourself all confused with semantics, just watch the games.
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A blind bloke could see that we improved when Tuck came back.
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Don't get yourself all confused with semantics, just watch the games.
Pfft. I watched the games, including the ones we lost when Tuck played so your 'facts' are nothing but opinion.
Yes he can win some ball but I also watch Tuck endlessly make poor decisions by hand and foot, fail to help his team mates out and let his opponent run riot. Maybe it's you who should open your eyes.
I'd rather we have given his games to younger players for the whole year.
I agreed with the call not to play him early but it was a ridiculous call from the club to then play him when the season was lost. :P
Not to mention now offering him a new contract. It's an entirely pointless waste of time.
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TBH id rather Tuck get the ball and bomb a chaos ball into our forward line than the opposition get it and stream forward.
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Don't get yourself all confused with semantics, just watch the games.
Pfft. I watched the games, including the ones we lost when Tuck played so your 'facts' are nothing but opinion.
Yes he can win some ball but I also watch Tuck endlessly make poor decisions by hand and foot, fail to help his team mates out and let his opponent run riot. Maybe it's you who should open your eyes.
I'd rather we have given his games to younger players for the whole year.
I agreed with the call not to play him early but it was a ridiculous call from the club to then play him when the season was lost. :P
Not to mention now offering him a new contract. It's an entirely pointless waste of time.
I know what I saw, I saw Tuck winning ball and I saw him kick goals, I saw us improve with him in the side and no amount of sarcasm will change it, the 'facts' are in the stats, on the video replays and in the win loss column. As for opinions, they are like assholes, everyone has one, sometimes you don't like hearing it, but you vented yours and I felt you had followed through so I just aired some fresh flowers for ya.
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Robbo gives Tucky a wrap in his Tackle column today...
10 THINGS I LIKE
5. Shane Tuck
Have to acknowledge Shaun Grigg who probably played his best game for the Tigers after being shipped from the Blues. He had 37, 10 score involvements, six clearances and two tackles. Tuck, however, had 30 touches, 11 score involvements, 11 tackles and 12 clearances. They are phenomenal numbers. Tuck can be criticised for decision-making and, a couple of years ago, for his defensive awareness, but he has improved in those areas. He went at 80 per cent efficiency, too.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/happy-handballers-at-north-melbourne/story-fn5937w8-1226327290972
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Tucky is a silent heart of the club.
Love him.
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Tuck is a gun
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Tucky is a silent heart of the club.
Love him.
x 2
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Yep just goes at it 100% every game, just like his old man, gets the job done, no fanfare, no exploits, great clubman!!!
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I'd go as far saying if where to captain the club for one game we would see his best.
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Tucky is a silent heart of the club.
Love him.
Me 3, like it? Or get Tucked
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The Age has Tucky going at the end of the season...
(http://images.theage.com.au/2011/08/25/2582432/art-353-svCLUBSLOSING-200x0.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/going-going-gone-20110825-1jcld.html
Tucky got another 8-10 yrs left :gotigers
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At this point the skipper looks closer to retirement than Tucky.
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Tucky will play game 150th for the Tiges against the Saints next Friday night.
A Tiger for Life! :clapping
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Legend
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Tucky will play game 150th for the Tiges against the Saints next Friday night.
A Tiger for Life! :clapping
.....and his 300th at 38 the way he is going :thumbsup
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Legend
Coach has hit it on the head with one word...
He is a bloody legend, and would love to see him make some finals appearances
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Everyone get there, Tucky has done everything & more to keep playing for the RFC. could easily be at another club but stayed & proved he is very valuable to the RFC midfield protecting the others. Best on Ground yesterday. :gotigers
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A great servant of the club. Deserves alot of credit. Agree best on ground against Hawthorn. Would be fantastic if we could honour him by smashing St Kilda
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick praises workhorse Shane Tuck
Chad Van Estrop
From: Herald Sun
May 28, 2012
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has credited the resurgence of midfielder Shane Tuck as one reason for his team's rise in 2012.
The workhorse midfielder gathered 35 possessions in Saturday's win against Hawthorn - more than half of which were contested - after an inconsistent 2011, during which he managed only 10 games.
"The thing we love about him is anything you say he will do to the best of his ability to improve," Hardwick said, adding Tuck's willingness to help in Richmond's backline had been important.
"He has been fantastic, Shane, probably the thing that he has worked enormously hard on is the defensive side of his game."
Hardwick said the Tigers had improved at preventing opposition run-ons.
"We were probably a little unhappy with our communication at times, especially late in the game," he said.
"It's probably cost us over the period of five or six rounds. We have had eight-minute periods where the opposition has piled on three to four goals and that's something we are eventually working our way through."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-praises-workhorse-shane-tuck/story-e6frf9jf-1226368651354
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gotta luuuve the Tuck. :gotigers
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Flyer Tuck
By Damian Barrett
Tue 29 May, 2012
IT’S AS though Shane Tuck has become an overnight sensation.
In 2012, the football industry is overwhelmingly glowing of him and even the key football department people at his own club, Richmond, have fallen in love.
Contested possession star. Clearance gun. Ball magnet. Tackling machine. Crucial to Richmond’s resurgence.
A full 149 matches into an AFL career which began nine years ago, he’s suddenly made it in the eyes of everyone.
Yet a forensic look at his past will tell us that since he finally cracked it for a senior game after being delisted by his first club, he’s been a good footballer for a long time.
On six occasions, Tuck has finished top 10 in a Tigers’ best and fairest count. Within that statistic, he has had four top five placings: runner-up once and third-placed finisher twice.
Between round one 2005 and late 2009, he played 107 matches consecutively, a sequence of games which even had then-coach Terry Wallace, an unabashed Tuck fan, spruiking - ultimately unsuccessfully - his credentials as an All Australian candidate.
Tuck’s century-plus streak of games was broken only when stand-in senior coach Jade Rawlings decided to leave him out of the senior team, a less-than-flattering outlook which has effectively hovered over Tuck ever since.
Current coach Damien Hardwick has taken a lot of convincing to change that thinking on Tuck. As recently as this time last year, Hardwick had decided Tuck would not be a Tiger beyond 2011.
It was never made public, but the Tigers had stamped Tuck’s papers. He played just four of the first 17 rounds. But then, out of nowhere, he played the final six matches, averaged 25 disposals, and was given a fresh contract.
And now, in the nine matches of the 2012 season, his name sits comfortably among the game’s big names in key measurements. In clearances he ranks 12th, just below greats Lenny Hayes, Gary Ablett, Joel Selwood and Chris Judd.
He’s top 10 in contested possessions and tackles and is averaging 25 disposals from an average 75 per cent game time.
Is it that Tuck, who turned 30 last Christmas Eve, has made disappear all his past criticisms, including a lack of defensive nous and desire, unreliable disposal and questionable pace?
Is it that those criticisms were always misplaced? Is it that those in charge of Richmond have finally embraced him? Is it that the way the game is being played in 2012 is more suited to Tuck’s style than it had been in the past?
Has Tuck, simply, learnt how to work within his limitations?
Maybe it just doesn’t matter. Maybe all that matters is that Tuck, unquestionably, is now considered a crucial part of a surging team and that, at 30, it has all come together for him.
Even before Tuck endured queries over his ability as an AFL player, he had rightful cause to fear an AFL career would actually be granted.
Hawthorn, where his father Michael played a VFL/AFL record 426 matches, rookie-listed him in late 2000. The Hawks did not elevate him to the senior list.
Three years later, Richmond took him at No.73 in the 2003 National Draft. History tells us that year’s draft was not a classic. Yet only three players from it - Adam Cooney, Brent Stanton and Sam Fisher -have played more games than Tuck’s 149. David Mundy is also on 149.
At many stages of the past nine years and as recently as two months ago, one would have got juicy odds on Tuck reaching a 10th season as a Tiger.
Yet, right now, it seems as certain as Trent Cotchin becoming the next Richmond captain.
Tuck deserves full credit for hanging in there against the rejection, the questions, the criticism, the uncertainty. And Damien Hardwick deserves full credit for keeping an open mind on Tuck despite his initial, and seemingly career-ending, thoughts.
Check out Shane Tuck's stats here: http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=career&playerid=14464
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/137131/default.aspx
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I am really pleased that Hardwick has finally given Tuck a good go. He would have been the difference in several games last year and this year he has been fantastic. For my money he was BOG against the Hawks not only from his stats but from the second and third efforts and his decision making. Only 1 clanger on his stats sheet as well.
Brownlow night should have DMEETS saying "Round 9, Richmond Hawthorn SHANE TUCK 3 votes
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VIDEO: Ahead of Tucky's 150th, Shane and his famous dad Michael talk footy..and take the mickey
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/454845/default.aspx
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:clapping
Tuck gets life at Tigerland
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 31 May, 2012
Resilient Richmond midfielder Shane Tuck qualifies for life membership of the Club when he plays his 150th game, against St Kilda at Etihad Stadium on Friday night.
Tuck continues to defy the odds and is career-best form nine rounds into the 2012 season.
The 30-year-old is averaging 25.2 disposals per game, which is up on his overall career disposals average of 23.5.
He is ranked fourth overall for total disposals at Tigerland, fifth for inside-50 entries, second for tackles and first for clearances.
Read the whole article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/137368/default.aspx
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Only reason his career average is 23 is because he sat on the bench for most of his games in 2004.
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well done to TUCKY for 150 games :clapping :clapping :clapping
true story of perseverance and self belief :bow
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Well done Tucky. :thumbsup
All the best. :thumbsup
Life member of the RFC. :thumbsup
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Shane Tuck's retirement plans on hold
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
June 01, 2012
SHANE Tuck walked into Damien Hardwick's office with his retirement speech ready to go.
A miserable 2011 season was coming to an end. One that had seen a regular of the Richmond midfield reduced to a regular of Coburg's.
Tuck had played only four senior games until Round 18 and was emergency nine times. At 29, it didn't take Einstein to see the writing on the wall and as he sat opposite Hardwick he was determined to get in first.
"I actually retired, believe it or not, at Round 22 last year," Tuck told the Herald Sun.
"I was going to retire because I thought I was going to get the a---.
"I was pretty prepared to finish footy, to retire at the end of the year, have a final game and that would be it."
Tonight, nine months later, Tuck will run on to Etihad Stadium for his 150th AFL game.
It's a milestone that has taken 11 years and included rejections, criticism, uncertainty and, early on, the overwhelming pressure of being the son of a legend.
This is the tale of a comeback against the odds. Despite the Punt Rd honours - a runner-up (2008) and two third placings (2005 and 2007) in the Jack Dyer Medal - nothing could hide the glaring reality that Tuck was drowning in the complexities of the modern game.
"At the end of 2009 when I got dropped (by caretaker coach Jade Rawlings), that was when the new defence came in," Tuck said.
"He had his way of coaching and I couldn't get it. I just didn't get it.
"I was so used to playing a certain way and when you're in the heat of games you just go back to your natural instincts. I stuffed a few things up and he wasn't happy with that.
"I got a fair bit hung on me about not manning up defensively and that was when the new way of playing came into it. Terry (Wallace) was very one-on-one, push back and help your defence out, whereas when the new coach took over it was more pressing up and all these things I didn't know much about."
The thought of retirement first entered Tuck's head in Round 12 last year. He started a removalist business called Multistream Australia and set himself up for a life after footy.
"I was talking to Will Thursfield and I was saying:. 'I'm finished mate', and he was saying the same thing," he said.
Tuck cannot really describe what happened next. Presented with an opening, he would return to play the last six matches of 2011 and produce a run of form that saved his career.
"We ended up winning a few and it looked like we were on the rise. Some guys were playing some good footy and we've obviously got some young, up-and-coming superstars around the joint," he said.
"With me, it's just practice. Just having pre-seasons where you're out there every session, just learning what you've got to do and playing games. It takes time."
Hardwick, who had taken serious convincing Tuck was up to the demands of the modern game, told him his resignation would not be accepted.
"We had a good chat and he said he wanted to keep a few developed players around," Tuck said.
"He liked the mix and said he was going to play blokes on their merits and not worry about age.
"If you were playing well you'd get a game."
Tuck grew up chasing the impossible - his father Michael's unrivalled 426-game and seven-premiership career.
He played juniors at Beaconsfield and TAC Cup for Dandenong Stingrays before joining Hawthorn where his dad stared back at him from almost every photo.
It was a tumultuous taste of top-level football. Already faced with suffocating expectation, Tuck then copped a bout of osteitis pubis and a heart problem that required surgery.
But it was the pressure to follow in his father's famous footsteps that caused the most heartache.
"I struggled with it and that was probably the reason I was up in the air with a few things," he said.
"When I was younger I didn't think I could reach the heights of the old man, but I don't think anyone will play that amount of games.
"As a kid you don't really think straight sometimes. I let things like that affect me too much.
"When I had my time away from Hawthorn I became proud to be his son rather than let it become a burden."
Tuck admitted the Hawthorn axing "shattered" him. He had to get away. Away from the AFL, the city and away from the pressure to perform.
His love for the game would return in the strangest of places - Carrum Downs in the Mornington Peninsula Nepean Football League.
The club, which folded several years ago, was belted by 15 goals most weeks and only won one game. Tuck was bricklaying and working as a courier, but was the happiest he had been for some time.
"I'd just had enough of footy, I didn't watch it on TV or anything," he said. "It was a total disconnect and it probably did me the world of good to be honest, just having a kick with mates and a few beers after the game."
If the fire was lit at lowly Carrum Downs, it raged
in the SANFL where he spent the following year under Shaun Rehn at West Adelaide.
"It was a big year. I met my wife (Katherine) and everything just happened that year," Tuck said.
"I got the love back. There was nothing else to do but train and keep myself fit and I didn't drink for ages and hardly went out. I just knuckled down and things turned out."
Richmond made contact via then-director of football Greg Miller and former recruiter Greg Beck before the Tigers gave him another chance with pick No.73 in the 2003 national draft.
Nine rounds into the 2012 season Tuck ranks No.1 at Richmond for contested possessions (10th overall), clearances (12th) and second for tackles (equal sixth). He is averaging 25 disposals a game and his 132 handballs rank fifth in the AFL, highlighting his extraction prowess.
These are the numbers of a man in serious form.
Hardwick went as far as to claim Tuck was playing the best football of his life, less than a year after his future was in serious jeopardy.
"His ability defensively to play now is very, very good. That was an area of concern we had over his future, but he's been fantastic this year," Hardwick said.
"His ability to use the ball by hand and foot has certainly improved and he's taken that onboard also.
"He's a guy that players love to have around and he's one of those characters you speak about regularly."
The honour roll says he has been a good player for a long time, but maybe only now on the eve of his 150th game and after all the ups and downs, has Tuck "made it" in the eyes of everyone.
"I just want to try my best, hang in there and be successful. If you work hard and do the right things, it just seems to work out," Tuck said.
"I just hate the feeling of what could have been."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/shane-tucks-retirement-plans-on-hold/story-e6frf9jf-1226377903170
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Probably been said previously on this thread but given his old man retired at 38, theres a good possibility his body will be physically able to keep going with AFL football deep into his thirties.
Its a different game these days but who knows, at 30 we might get another 4-5 years out of him.
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Too hard to say at this stage dooks
But let's hope he's around for as long as possible, and that he and skipper can finally taste some finals games.
This story above by Sam Edmund has got me pumped up and ready to run thru brick wall.
Gotta love Tuck and would rank as one of my fav players. Actually my favourite.
I think he has done ok considering the team he has played for and the seasons that have gone by, poor morale, huge losses, uncompetitiveness etc.
He has held on and fought hard
Congrats on 150!! Tucky and there's nothing to say you can't aim for 200
Cheers!!!
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Probably been said previously on this thread but given his old man retired at 38, theres a good possibility his body will be physically able to keep going with AFL football deep into his thirties.
Its a different game these days but who knows, at 30 we might get another 4-5 years out of him.
Hope he can at least play another 2 years and then go out on his terms.
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I hope he retires with a premiership medallion around his neck.
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and Norm smith
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Probably been said previously on this thread but given his old man retired at 38, theres a good possibility his body will be physically able to keep going with AFL football deep into his thirties.
Its a different game these days but who knows, at 30 we might get another 4-5 years out of him.
Hope he can at least play another 2 years and then go out on his terms.
I was thinking hes got 2 yrs of good football left
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As Hardwick says, what I have been most impressed with re Tuck is the improvement to the defensive side of his game.
That he sat down with the coaches and worked on a clear weakness it is a real credit to him.
Also as has been speculated, with the removal of the 4th IC player, contested ballwinners are coming back into vogue as players tire and skills drop away.
Making me eat my words about him with each passing week. Great stuff.
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Bloody legend. Unleash him on Lenny and watch him go.
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Agree he is a legend. I hope he has a massive game tonight. He has the ablity to play on more than 2 years. I hope he gets a premiership medal. He fully deserves it. His work ethic has been fantastic. If he was ever in a grand final he would win the norm smith medal without a doubt
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Also as has been speculated, with the removal of the 4th IC player, contested ballwinners are coming back into vogue as players tire and skills drop away.
And what a great thing for football that has been MM. Since the removal of the wrestling blight and the 4th IC player, the game is a much much better spectacle and test of human endeavor.
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Well done Tucky! Give em hell tonight :gotigers
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Had a deplorable game. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Tuck lets form do the talking
By Paul Daffey
afl.com.au
Wed 25 Jul, 2012
RICHMOND midfielder Shane Tuck is content to let his football do the talking until he sits down with the club to discuss a contract at the end of the season.
Tuck, 30, is happy with the way his season is going.
"I've got a pretty strong mindset at the moment," he said.
"I don't want to talk contracts; I just want to play every week.
"Whatever happens happens, mate."
Last season Tuck was out of favour before showing his value with strong performances over the final six rounds.
The Tigers offered him a one-year contract, reasoning that his seasoned body would help to shield his young teammates, and Tuck has fully justified the club's faith in him, playing all 16 games.
Not only has he been aggressive in close, he's fourth on Richmond's list for disposals.
He's had the most handballs of any Richmond player and his clearance rate is far above the rest of the team with 99 clearances. Trent Cotchin has had 77 and Brett Deledio 56.
During the four-point loss against North Melbourne last Sunday, the 189cm midfielder started slowly before becoming a key player as the game went on.
He spent the first half playing just off the stoppages, positioning himself to intercept the quick kick out of the pack.
In the second half he pushed forward, where he kicked two late goals to almost snatch victory for the Tigers.
One of the goals was from a superb mark in front of a pack above 30m out.
Tuck finished with 26 disposals, second behind Brett Deledio, and had five clearances.
"I was very disappointed with my first half," he said. "I was a little bit out.
"But I pushed forward in the second half and in the last quarter I popped up and kicked a couple."
Tuck said Richmond had suffered from bad luck during its series of close losses this season.
Next season he'd like the chance to help rectify the Tigers' fortunes.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/142626/default.aspx
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stuff it.
My fave player.
Sorry Dusty
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stuff it.
My fave player.
Sorry Dusty
:yep
without doubt
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dusty needs to spend more time with blokes like tucky and less with blokes like connors.
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How long has Tucky been playing with us?
Seems like a lifetime
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How long has Tucky been playing with us?
Seems like a lifetime
Debuted in '04, ox. Probably seems like he has been with us forever because he is one of two? still on the list from that year.
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Moorey and Newy as well.
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Moorey and Newy as well.
Three left from '04. Thats qualifies as a rebuild.
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Moorey and Newy as well.
Three left from '04. Thats qualifies as a rebuild.
Four actually. Jako as well
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Moorey and Newy as well.
Three left from '04. Thats qualifies as a rebuild.
Four actually. Jako as well
Bugger! Well maybe culture is the problem?
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Shane Tuck has been offered a one-year contract extension for a third season in succession, after he was initially put on the trade table and received no takers.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/jake-king-in-line-for-tigers-return/story-fnca0u4y-1226435157319
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Good news
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Give him 2, he probably has 3-4 left in him...big tank!!
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Give him 2, he probably has 3-4 left in him...big tank!!
Although understand why you'd suggest 2 year
I just think it is a very smart move to only offer players 30+ one year deals (Tucky is 31 in Dec BTW)
So 1 year is perfect for both parties I reckon
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Give him 2, he probably has 3-4 left in him...big tank!!
Although understand why you'd suggest 2 year
I just think it is a very smart move to only offer players 30+ one year deals (Tucky is 31 in Dec BTW)
So 1 year is perfect for both parties I reckon
Yeah from a business point of view you are dead right, very smart.
More and more clubs are doing it these days too, so the 1 year deals are accepted by the players.
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Give him 2, he probably has 3-4 left in him...big tank!!
Although understand why you'd suggest 2 year
I just think it is a very smart move to only offer players 30+ one year deals (Tucky is 31 in Dec BTW)
So 1 year is perfect for both parties I reckon
Yeah from a business point of view you are dead right, very smart.
More and more clubs are doing it these days too, so the 1 year deals are accepted by the players.
Happy to give Tucky +1 year until his body fails him, hopefully that's another 4-5 years! :cheers
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Could go on for another 4 years with his genes. Tucky is a dead set tiger legend. :bow
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Has had a better season but so long as Tuck and Jackson are still getting a game for us we'll struggle to play finals.
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Can't be serious man? Jacko is average but Tuck is a good player. Fantastic second half on the weekend
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Moorey and Newy as well.
Three left from '04. Thats qualifies as a rebuild.
Four actually. Jako as well
na jacko is a frawley prodigy taken 50 something in 03.
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Can't be serious man? Jacko is average but Tuck is a good player. Fantastic second half on the weekend
Tuck is the same as always just surrounded by better players.
He still chucks it on the boot and is still weak defensively but these days his errors are hidden better.
Also think that the 3 man bench has helped his cause a little.
Looking forward to the upgrade whenever it comes..
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Where will he finish in the B&F?
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Where will he finish in the B&F?
About 5th.
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Can't be serious man? Jacko is average but Tuck is a good player. Fantastic second half on the weekend
Tuck is the same as always just surrounded by better players.
He still chucks it on the boot and is still weak defensively but these days his errors are hidden better.
Also think that the 3 man bench has helped his cause a little.
Looking forward to the upgrade whenever it comes..
Career average 3.8 tackles. 2012 average 6.2 tackles, 1st for Richmond. Wouldnt say his still weak defensively
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Can't be serious man? Jacko is average but Tuck is a good player. Fantastic second half on the weekend
Tuck is the same as always just surrounded by better players.
He still chucks it on the boot and is still weak defensively but these days his errors are hidden better.
Also think that the 3 man bench has helped his cause a little.
Looking forward to the upgrade whenever it comes..
Career average 3.8 tackles. 2012 average 6.2 tackles, 1st for Richmond. Wouldnt say his still weak defensively
Meh at the tackle stats. Watch the game. His opponent runs around unhindered most of the game.
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Can't be serious man? Jacko is average but Tuck is a good player. Fantastic second half on the weekend
Tuck is the same as always just surrounded by better players.
He still chucks it on the boot and is still weak defensively but these days his errors are hidden better.
Also think that the 3 man bench has helped his cause a little.
Looking forward to the upgrade whenever it comes..
Career average 3.8 tackles. 2012 average 6.2 tackles, 1st for Richmond. Wouldnt say his still weak defensively
Meh at the tackle stats. Watch the game. His opponent runs around unhindered most of the game.
I have to disagree. I've often seen him playing very tight on his man
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They have had him tagging in some games. His usually gets a job when Jackson is playing across half forward
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His a master of throwing the ball, can't remember the last time I saw him handball
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They have had him tagging in some games. His usually gets a job when Jackson is 9 ironing the ball into the stands from across half forward
Edited for accuracy
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No, that is not on. I sponsor Dan and he does a great job. I am privy to the role he gets from Dimma and I know that he does his job each week.
Regards,
Frodo
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have to disagree. I've often seen him playing very tight on his man
Ok he's been slightly better. Still frustrates the heck out of me the number of times I see him in the wrong position when his man is loose.
He is what he is and we're still not playing finals..
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have to disagree. I've often seen him playing very tight on his man
Ok he's been slightly better. Still frustrates the heck out of me the number of times I see him in the wrong position when his man is loose.
He is what he is and we're still not playing finals..
tell me magic what is tucks role what does he do. tell me any other players we have that does his role as well as he does.we dont have a replacement for him atm. in fact finding players like him is not as easy as most think.
yes he has some traits that does your head in but he has other traits that more than makes up for them.
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have to disagree. I've often seen him playing very tight on his man
Ok he's been slightly better. Still frustrates the heck out of me the number of times I see him in the wrong position when his man is loose.
He is what he is and we're still not playing finals..
Both Tuck and Edwards have improved markedly, which is good for the team. Just let bygones be bygones MM :cheers
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tell me magic what is tucks role what does he do. tell me any other players we have that does his role as well as he does.we dont have a replacement for him atm. in fact finding players like him is not as easy as most think.
See ball. Get ball. Kick ball. Basically he's an extractor. Old fashioned ruck/rover (showing my age).
Cotchin & Foley largely play the same role but are far better users of the football.
Tuck's seasoned body is his greatest benefit. Hard as a cat's head but we need to draft a replacement for Tucky no doubt cause there are still plenty of weaknesses in his game and he's not getting any younger.
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he offers more that edwards, and i have more time for edwards than most.
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Tuck is a v good underrated overhead mark.
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Tuck is a v good underrated overhead mark.
One of the best contested marks going around :thumbsup
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Gun
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Not to mention the ripper undercut.
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Deserves a 2yr contract imo
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All this talk about club culture, 2 years ago Tuck couldn't get a game, why is that? What culture is in RFC that they couldn't see that Tuck was and is a GUN.
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All this talk about club culture, 2 years ago Tuck couldn't get a game, why is that? What culture is in RFC that they couldn't see that Tuck was and is a GUN.
Exactly
Tuck
Morris
Cotch
Lids
Dusty
Maric
Wigney
That's the effort you want every week
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Does Tucky have any young sons?
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All this talk about club culture, 2 years ago Tuck couldn't get a game, why is that? What culture is in RFC that they couldn't see that Tuck was and is a GUN.
Exactly
Tuck
Morris
Cotch
Lids
Dusty
Maric
Wigney
That's the effort you want every week
WIGney??????????????????????????????????? :clapping
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Always give 100% :thumbsup
Rewoldt should take note of his work ethics
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Shane keeps on Tucking
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 31 Jul, 2012
Richmond’s ‘ball-magnet’ midfielder, Shane Tuck, appears set to cap an extremely impressive comeback at the game’s highest level in 2012 with another top-five placing in the Jack Dyer Medal.
He is averaging 26.1 disposals per game, which is up on his overall career average of 23.7, and he’s also averaging an impressive 6.2 tackles per game (up on his career average of 3.8 per game).
Tuck also is ranked third in the competition for total handballs (245) and fourth for total tackles (105).
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/143164/default.aspx
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Abbreviated stats extract from RFC
Tuck Total Rank
Disposals 444 3
Marks 81 6
Frees Against 25 2
Tackles 105 1
Goals 9 9
CP 248 1
UP 203 6
DE% 72.52 20
Clangers 51 2
CM 10 8
i50 76 3
r50 23 11
1% 37 8
Bounces 0 n/a
Attitude A+
Courage A+
Team Spirit A+
Skill Level B
Injury A
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Im assuming those rankings are at Richmond and not the leauge?
disposal effiency of 72% and is ranked 20th
3 or 4 years that would have been ranked top 5
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rankings are just for tigers
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Im assuming those rankings are at Richmond and not the leauge?
disposal effiency of 72% and is ranked 20th
3 or 4 years that would have been ranked top 5
Guess which cream puff is rated no 1 for disposal effectiveness at 90.91%?
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Im assuming those rankings are at Richmond and not the leauge?
disposal effiency of 72% and is ranked 20th
3 or 4 years that would have been ranked top 5
Shane is no 2 for Clangers. :lol
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you expect those with the most contested possessions and clearances to also have high number of clangers.
Pretty obvious if understand the game.
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Im assuming those rankings are at Richmond and not the leauge?
disposal effiency of 72% and is ranked 20th
3 or 4 years that would have been ranked top 5
Guess which cream puff is rated no 1 for disposal effectiveness at 90.91%?
Same lug is no 1 for Goal accuracy at 100%
:lol
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The more games you play and the more football you win the more clangers you will get. Free kicks against also count as clangers and Shane has 25 of them.
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Im assuming those rankings are at Richmond and not the leauge?
disposal effiency of 72% and is ranked 20th
3 or 4 years that would have been ranked top 5
Guess which cream puff is rated no 1 for disposal effectiveness at 90.91%?
Same lug is no 1 for Goal accuracy at 100%
:lol
Is this a hint? You want Gus at full forward instead of Riewoldt :clapping
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Im assuming those rankings are at Richmond and not the leauge?
disposal effiency of 72% and is ranked 20th
3 or 4 years that would have been ranked top 5
Guess which cream puff is rated no 1 for disposal effectiveness at 90.91%?
Same lug is no 1 for Goal accuracy at 100%
:lol
Is this a hint? You want Gus at full forward instead of Riewoldt :clapping
Would be hard to match up on.
:lol
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Arguably most consistent player at the club. Recklessly attacks the football. Wins his own ball and still disposes of it effectively from any position. His goal kicking in close games demonstrates just how mentally tough he is. He is the sort of player who brings his teammates into the game and inspires them to greater efforts. As good as he has been at the club for a while now, he really has taken his performances to a new level this year. Quality character and player with a great family history. Would love to see him play finals.
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Like Dimma, I thought Tucky was gonski a year or two ago but he's turned his footy career and seems to be getting better with age like his dad. It also has helped that the game has swung back to a more contested style which suits Tucky's in and under ballwinning strengths. B.O.G. easily last night.
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Like Dimma, I thought Tucky was gonski a year or two ago but he's turned his footy career and seems to be getting better with age like his dad. It also has helped that the game has swung back to a more contested style which suits Tucky's in and under ballwinning strengths. B.O.G. easily last night.
He's going to play 200 games for the club, outstanding effort
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agree bog by a mile but dermie gave 3 votes to cotchin, so i hope the umps see it as dermie did, i dont want charlie going to that fat over rated hack watson
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agree bog by a mile but dermie gave 3 votes to cotchin, so i hope the umps see it as dermie did, i dont want charlie going to that fat over rated hack watson
No, Watson is not a hack. Calm down.
Tucky :clapping
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Best on ground. Has had a very good year. I expect Cotchin will win the Jack Dyer Award but I hope Tucky finishes a close second. Has been an outstanding player for the Club.
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Tuck is salt of the earth.
Respect and support!!!
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agree bog by a mile but dermie gave 3 votes to cotchin, so i hope the umps see it as dermie did, i dont want charlie going to that fat over rated hack watson
No, Watson is not a hack. Calm down.
Tucky :clapping
watson is a hack, lives off his dads name, fat arse , cant run , no stamina, cant frikken kick..................hack
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seems like the leagues coaches don't agree with that assessment of watson.
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seems like the leagues coaches don't agree with that assessment of watson.
Why would they know more than username?
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dunno.
Thats got me stumped :huh
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Tuck is salt of the earth.
Respect and support!!!
x 2
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I like that he straps a dead possum to the back of his head to gross out the opposition.
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1year deal is all he needs to play good footy
Type of player who doesn't worry about contracts ;D just plays
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1year deal is all he needs to play good footy
Type of player who doesn't worry about contracts ;D just plays
yep, which is why...
Tuck is salt of the earth.
Respect and support!!!
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5 year deal, lock it in Craig
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Is his brother worth another go?
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I only caught the end of it but did whispers on 3aw tonight mention something about Shane Tuck? Being in a window or something or other? :huh
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Is his brother worth another go?
Intresting question isn't it? I remember Shane giving him a mention a number of weeks ago on KB's show. I know he had his issues but its at least worth looking at.
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I only caught the end of it but did whispers on 3aw tonight mention something about Shane Tuck? Being in a window or something or other? :huh
Only caught the end of it myself OE but pretty sure I heard another club has offered him a 1 year deal
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I only caught the end of it but did whispers on 3aw tonight mention something about Shane Tuck? Being in a window or something or other? :huh
Only caught the end of it myself OE but pretty sure I heard another club has offered him a 1 year deal
Cheers TM.
BF saying a caller to 3aw mentioned overhearing a GWS official saying they've signed 4 players up one being Tuck (but they could've meant his brother Travis).
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What's Robbo in the Hun on about?
Shane Tuck (Rich)
HIs career appeared finished under Damien Hardwick, then he won the coach over. There are suggestions he may hang them up, and if he does, in his final he will have played all 22 games, won 576 possessions, and have had 14 games of more than 25 possessions. He is consistent, unflappable and gets the job done.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/unsungheroescomp
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What's Robbo in the Hun on about?
Shane Tuck (Rich)
HIs career appeared finished under Damien Hardwick, then he won the coach over. There are suggestions he may hang them up, and if he does, in his final he will have played all 22 games, won 576 possessions, and have had 14 games of more than 25 possessions. He is consistent, unflappable and gets the job done.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/unsungheroescomp
Maybe the fat galah is on to something.
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What's Robbo in the Hun on about?
Shane Tuck (Rich)
HIs career appeared finished under Damien Hardwick, then he won the coach over. There are suggestions he may hang them up, and if he does, in his final he will have played all 22 games, won 576 possessions, and have had 14 games of more than 25 possessions. He is consistent, unflappable and gets the job done.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/unsungheroescomp
Maybe the fat galah is on to something.
Hope not, need him to go on another few years
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What's Robbo in the Hun on about?
Shane Tuck (Rich)
HIs career appeared finished under Damien Hardwick, then he won the coach over. There are suggestions he may hang them up, and if he does, in his final he will have played all 22 games, won 576 possessions, and have had 14 games of more than 25 possessions. He is consistent, unflappable and gets the job done.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/unsungheroescomp
Maybe the fat galah is on to something.
Hope not, need him to go on another few years
3 years and I'll be happy.
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Could play til he's about 40. The dead possum gives him special powers.
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Champion "unsung Hero" player.
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Should be in leadership group
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Anything announced yet?
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Anything announced yet?
Yep, it's all over the news....
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Love u Tucky.
Those of us that know,know.
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Shane Tuck set for his 10th season
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
September 05, 2012
RICHMOND warhorse Shane Tuck is almost certain to play on next year, continuing one of football's great comeback stories.
Tuck was talked out of retirement at the end of 2011 before emerging this season to play the best football of his career.
Tuck, who turns 31 in December, was rumoured to again be considering retirement. But those close to the midfielder say he is determined to play a 10th AFL season, buoyed by his form and the emergence of Richmond as a finals contender.
The Tigers have presented Tuck with a new deal, but he wanted to finish the season before discussing terms.
Sources said he would be more than comfortable with another one-year deal.
In a brilliant 2012 campaign, the veteran played every game and had 576 disposals, collecting 25 or more touches in 14 appearances.
In an interview with the Herald Sun earlier this year, Tuck said he was determined to have a career with no regrets.
"I just want to try my best, hang in there and be successful. If you work hard and do the right things, it just seems to work out," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/shane-tuck-set-for-10th-season-with-tigers/story-e6frf9jf-1226465152208
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Shane Tuck set for his 10th season
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
September 05, 2012
RICHMOND warhorse Shane Tuck is almost certain to play on next year, continuing one of football's great comeback stories.
Tuck was talked out of retirement at the end of 2011 before emerging this season to play the best football of his career.
Tuck, who turns 31 in December, was rumoured to again be considering retirement. But those close to the midfielder say he is determined to play a 10th AFL season, buoyed by his form and the emergence of Richmond as a finals contender.
The Tigers have presented Tuck with a new deal, but he wanted to finish the season before discussing terms.
Sources said he would be more than comfortable with another one-year deal.
In a brilliant 2012 campaign, the veteran played every game and had 576 disposals, collecting 25 or more touches in 14 appearances.
In an interview with the Herald Sun earlier this year, Tuck said he was determined to have a career with no regrets.
"I just want to try my best, hang in there and be successful. If you work hard and do the right things, it just seems to work out," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/shane-tuck-set-for-10th-season-with-tigers/story-e6frf9jf-1226465152208
I wish some of my Yr12s had this attitude.
:lol
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This guy has to put in the leadership group. His attitude is outstanding as is guts and determination. He never backs down from a contest and never gives up
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Tucky epitomises what you want in a footballer the way he goes about it.
Hard, uncompromising and uncomplaining when he gets shafted.
Yet he gets keeps getting one year contracts.
Meanwhile Mr potato head jackson and his fellow tubers will continue to get multi year contracts.
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I hope his kids turn out good players. Bit of Ablett, bit of Tuck in them.
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:bow
we're not worthy
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Shane Tuck set for his 10th season
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
September 05, 2012
RICHMOND warhorse Shane Tuck is almost certain to play on next year, continuing one of football's great comeback stories.
Tuck was talked out of retirement at the end of 2011 before emerging this season to play the best football of his career.
Tuck, who turns 31 in December, was rumoured to again be considering retirement. But those close to the midfielder say he is determined to play a 10th AFL season, buoyed by his form and the emergence of Richmond as a finals contender.
The Tigers have presented Tuck with a new deal, but he wanted to finish the season before discussing terms.
Sources said he would be more than comfortable with another one-year deal.
In a brilliant 2012 campaign, the veteran played every game and had 576 disposals, collecting 25 or more touches in 14 appearances.
In an interview with the Herald Sun earlier this year, Tuck said he was determined to have a career with no regrets.
"I just want to try my best, hang in there and be successful. If you work hard and do the right things, it just seems to work out," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/shane-tuck-set-for-10th-season-with-tigers/story-e6frf9jf-1226465152208
I wish some of my Yr12s had this attitude.
:lol
Forget your Yr 12s, how about a few on our list :o
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Barrett tonight on the footy show said for the first time in Tuck's career he's got some leverage to work with in negotiations over his next contract. He's been offered a one-year deal and has already upped the rate since the original offer was put on the table. According to Barrett, Tucky has gone on holidays to think about his future and may even go to the RFC well a third time when he gets back to squeeze out some more money.
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Barrett tonight on the footy show said for the first time in Tuck's career he's got some leverage to work with in negotiations over his next contract. He's been offered a one-year deal and has already upped the rate since the original offer was put on the table. According to Barrett, Tucky has gone on holidays to think about his future and may even go to the RFC well a third time when he gets back to squeeze out some more money.
Ratboy is lying.
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Barrett tonight on the footy show said for the first time in Tuck's career he's got some leverage to work with in negotiations over his next contract. He's been offered a one-year deal and has already upped the rate since the original offer was put on the table. According to Barrett, Tucky has gone on holidays to think about his future and may even go to the RFC well a third time when he gets back to squeeze out some more money.
Ratboy is lying.
Shocked
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Tucky epitomises what you want in a footballer the way he goes about it.
Hard, uncompromising and uncomplaining when he gets shafted.
Yet he gets keeps getting one year contracts.
Meanwhile Mr potato head jackson and his fellow tubers will continue to get multi year contracts.
Leave off Jackson, all you do is bag him, this is the Tuck thread
Good on you Tuck, well done.
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Hey WAT, how come the name change back? Shouldn't you be one of us now - SEQTiger maybe?
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Hey WAT, how come the name change back? Shouldn't you be one of us now - SEQTiger maybe?
:thumbsup
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Signed up for another year. (sen)
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Got it done Tigers :clapping :clapping Love the Tuckster, give em hell next year son :clapping
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/148066/default.aspx
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Brilliant news. Put him in the leadership group
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TUCKINATOR 8)
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Club email:
Tuck re-signs with the Tigers
Valuable veteran midfielder Shane Tuck will continue his league career at Richmond in 2013.
The 30-year-old will enter a 10th season in the AFL after signing a one-year contract extension with the Tigers.
"Shane has worked as hard as anyone to earn his place in the Richmond team and the consistency of his performances this year has been outstanding," said Richmond's General Manager of Football, Craig Cameron.
"Shane's ability to win the ball and bring his team-mates into the play has been integral to the improvement shown by the entire midfield group this year."
Tuck played every game for the Tigers in 2012, and finished fourth in the Jack Dyer Medal – the fourth top-five finish in his league career.
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping
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Hopefully the likes of Tuck and Jackson spend a lot more time at Coburg next season and we might actually head up the ladder.
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Please dont ever compare Tuck and Jackson ever again, Magic.
K? Thanks
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Tuck's clearly better than Jackson but Tuck's not the future. We need to replace him.
Nether part of a premiership side.
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Be good if Tucky was though. Means we wouldn't be far away! ;D
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Tucky is like a fine wine. Will win his first JD at 38.
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Tuck's clearly better than Jackson but Tuck's not the future. We need to replace him.
Nether part of a premiership side.
The only way Tuck won't play is if there is a kid good enough to kick him out! The development phase is now over, there's no way we will leave Tuck at Coburg just to get games under the belt of his potential replacement......
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Tuck's clearly better than Jackson but Tuck's not the future. We need to replace him.
Nether part of a premiership side.
The only way Tuck won't play is if there is a kid good enough to kick him out! The development phase is now over, there's no way we will leave Tuck at Coburg just to get games under the belt of his potential replacement......
Tyson :shh
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Tuck's clearly better than Jackson but Tuck's not the future. We need to replace him.
Nether part of a premiership side.
The only way Tuck won't play is if there is a kid good enough to kick him out! The development phase is now over, there's no way we will leave Tuck at Coburg just to get games under the belt of his potential replacement......
Tyson :shh
Get it done big man :clapping :clapping
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Tuck's clearly better than Jackson but Tuck's not the future. We need to replace him.
Nether part of a premiership side.
The only way Tuck won't play is if there is a kid good enough to kick him out! The development phase is now over, there's no way we will leave Tuck at Coburg just to get games under the belt of his potential replacement......
Tyson :shh
Get it done big man :clapping :clapping
Big boy
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The only way Tuck won't play is if there is a kid good enough to kick him out!
Here's hoping Tuck is our insurance in 2013.
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Tuck's clearly better than Jackson but Tuck's not the future. We need to replace him.
Nether part of a premiership side.
The only way Tuck won't play is if there is a kid good enough to kick him out! The development phase is now over, there's no way we will leave Tuck at Coburg just to get games under the belt of his potential replacement......
Tyson :shh
Get it done big man :clapping :clapping
Big boy
Be my Bi Guy.....Big man :clapping
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Tuck's clearly better than Jackson but Tuck's not the future. We need to replace him.
Nether part of a premiership side.
The only way Tuck won't play is if there is a kid good enough to kick him out! The development phase is now over, there's no way we will leave Tuck at Coburg just to get games under the belt of his potential replacement......
Tyson :shh
Get it done big man :clapping :clapping
Big boy
Be my Bi Guy.....Big man :clapping
Big boy
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Got it done Tigers :clapping :clapping Love the Tuckster, give em hell next year son :clapping
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/148066/default.aspx
Well done and congrats Tucky. He's certainly turned his footy career around. The change in footy back to a more contested style has helped him as winning the contested footy is his best strength.
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Martin. Pyke 8)
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Excellent result, well done Tuck, if the rest of the team can emulate the way you play...look out!!!
:clapping
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Happy Birthday to Tucky :birthday
He's 31 today.
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Tuck's clearly better than Jackson but Tuck's not the future. We need to replace him.
Nether part of a premiership side.
The only way Tuck won't play is if there is a kid good enough to kick him out! The development phase is now over, there's no way we will leave Tuck at Coburg just to get games under the belt of his potential replacement......
i know what your saying in relation to development with the aim being finals.
but i have to say we are very much in development with so many either in junior phase or development phase and so few mature and vets on the list. ignore development and watch us win a spoon. even the top clubs bring younger players in over probably better senior players.
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Happy birthday Tucky, :birthday your a gun :thumbsup
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Big year for tuck. A fully fit tuck (ditto Foley) gives us the luxury of playing our best players forward
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Said on another thread that i watched the round 17 lose to the Kangas last night and another thing i took from that game is that Tuck in the last quarter went to CHF and gave us a great marking option through there and kicked 2 important goals.
I have said it before but what do people think about playing Tuck there on a more regular basis?
He is as strong as an ox, will make a contest and bring the ball to ground on every occasion, good in the air and on the ground and can kick a long goal.
And cannot play through the middle forever if we are to improve into a final 4 side.
Now we have a few young KPF's coming through but none are anywhere near ready, IMO Tuck could fill this roll for a few years and while he does, we could play a young guy next to him as a HFF learning off him and getting a bit of protection from him as well.
Also would give one of our young in and under mids more time in the middle.
Thoughts??
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Think it's a great idea big tone only if we have the mid field depth to cover his ball winning ability as inside mid. I appreciate we have to develop some of the younger mids in that role but not sure we can afford to lose Tuck out of the middle for large chunks of time in 2013 when finals are a must
Certainly would look at resting him forward a lot more than we do. We rest Cotchin & Martin up forward a lot think we can do the same with Tuck. Though I think he is better around HF than deep inside 50
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Think it's a great idea big tone only if we have the mid field depth to cover his ball winning ability as inside mid. I appreciate we have to develop some of the younger mids in that role but not sure we can afford to lose Tuck out of the middle for large chunks of time in 2013 when finals are a must
Certainly would look at resting him forward a lot more than we do. We rest Cotchin & Martin up forward a lot think we can do the same with Tuck. Though I think he is better around HF than deep inside 50
When Tuck goes forward, Conca should go into the midfield. He's an inside mid! I hate seeing Dimma play him off the HBF.
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Keep on Tuckin’
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Thursday, December 27, 2012
Most AFL players start to slow down when they reach their thirties.
It seems, however, that Shane Tuck is oblivious to the “hand-brake” being put on his league career.
So much so, that the evergreen Tiger midfielder has started to draw comparisons with Benjamin Button, the character in the fantasy story of a man who ages in reverse.
Maybe it’s because his famous dad, Michael, played until he was 38, on his way to a league-record tally of 426 games.
But, it’s more likely because the younger Tuck has an insatiable appetite to represent the Yellow and Black, until he can give no more.
Tuck has just turned 31 years, on Christmas Eve. Age, though, is irrelevant to him.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-12-27/keep-on-tuckin
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Richo was compared to Benjamin Button then he did a hammy and retired
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Richo was compared to Benjamin Button then he did a hammy and retired
Doesn't have a history of injury though which is on his side. Plays a very simple yet crucial role for the side that plays to his strengths. Good genes too.
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Richo was compared to Benjamin Button then he did a hammy and retired
Doesn't have a history of injury though which is on his side. Plays a very simple yet crucial role for the side that plays to his strengths. Good genes too.
IMO 2013 is his last
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Agree. Just because Tuck's father played forever is no guarantees that Shane will too. In his twilight..
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you wish!
actually i agree. he plays a more inside grunt work role than his old man, (from memory) and he said how he was ready to give it away last year. I couldn't see his body holding up to the battering he gives it for too many more years.
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2013 his last
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2013 his last
Based on what?
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2013 his last
Based on what?
He'll pull the pin
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2013 his last
Based on what?
He'll pull the pin
Based on?
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2013 his last
Based on what?
He'll pull the pin
Based on?
Based on almost doing it the last few years
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2013 his last
Based on what?
He'll pull the pin
Based on?
Based on almost doing it the last few years
In other words your basing it on have no stuffing idea at all :huh :huh
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2013 his last
Based on what?
He'll pull the pin
Based on?
Based on almost doing it the last few years
In other words your basing it on have no stuffing idea at all :huh :huh
:clapping
Tucky considered it once and that was 2 years ago when Dimma was treating him like a slave. He's in favour now (about time) and the brainstrust have realised we need him. Hopefully plays another 2 seasons
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
So when did he consider it then big guy?
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
So when did he consider it then big guy?
He'd had enough in 2011. Told Dimma who laughed at him and told him he will be playing on next year. That's all there is to it. Stop putting up false info on here when you don't know what you're on about. Go back to BigFooty, RichmondGroupie. :thumbsup
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
So when did he consider it then big guy?
He'd had enough in 2011. Told Dimma who laughed at him and told him he will be playing on next year. That's all there is to it. Stop putting up false info on here when you don't know what you're on about. Go back to BigFooty, RichmondGroupie. :thumbsup
First of all that's not me. Second of all Tuck has considered retiring every year since 2010 you nut job :D
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
So when did he consider it then big guy?
He'd had enough in 2011. Told Dimma who laughed at him and told him he will be playing on next year. That's all there is to it. Stop putting up false info on here when you don't know what you're on about. Go back to BigFooty, RichmondGroupie. :thumbsup
First of all that's not me. Second of all Tuck has considered retiring every year since 2010 you nut job :D
Do you seriously want me to go and find your old posts on there which are identical to the rubbish you write on here? If a bloke has considered retiring 3 times, why hasn't he retired? He didn't consider retiring in 2011, he was retiring until he got talked out of it. I think you'd find he's more than happy to continue on due the fact he's in the seniors.
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
So when did he consider it then big guy?
He'd had enough in 2011. Told Dimma who laughed at him and told him he will be playing on next year. That's all there is to it. Stop putting up false info on here when you don't know what you're on about. Go back to BigFooty, RichmondGroupie. :thumbsup
First of all that's not me. Second of all Tuck has considered retiring every year since 2010 you nut job :D
Do you seriously want me to go and find your old posts on there which are identical to the rubbish you write on here? If a bloke has considered retiring 3 times, why hasn't he retired? He didn't consider retiring in 2011, he was retiring until he got talked out of it. I think you'd find he's more than happy to continue on due the fact he's in the seniors.
Jon Ralph must have no clue then
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He doesn't, RG
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
So when did he consider it then big guy?
He'd had enough in 2011. Told Dimma who laughed at him and told him he will be playing on next year. That's all there is to it. Stop putting up false info on here when you don't know what you're on about. Go back to BigFooty, RichmondGroupie. :thumbsup
First of all that's not me. Second of all Tuck has considered retiring every year since 2010 you nut job :D
Do you seriously want me to go and find your old posts on there which are identical to the rubbish you write on here? If a bloke has considered retiring 3 times, why hasn't he retired? He didn't consider retiring in 2011, he was retiring until he got talked out of it. I think you'd find he's more than happy to continue on due the fact he's in the seniors.
Jon Ralph must have no clue then
I thought that was established a long time ago? Ask Ralph on twitter what Shaun Dirge has been doing this pre-season.
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
So when did he consider it then big guy?
He'd had enough in 2011. Told Dimma who laughed at him and told him he will be playing on next year. That's all there is to it. Stop putting up false info on here when you don't know what you're on about. Go back to BigFooty, RichmondGroupie. :thumbsup
First of all that's not me. Second of all Tuck has considered retiring every year since 2010 you nut job :D
Do you seriously want me to go and find your old posts on there which are identical to the rubbish you write on here? If a bloke has considered retiring 3 times, why hasn't he retired? He didn't consider retiring in 2011, he was retiring until he got talked out of it. I think you'd find he's more than happy to continue on due the fact he's in the seniors.
Jon Ralph must have no clue then
I thought that was established a long time ago? Ask Ralph on twitter what Shaun Dirge has been doing this pre-season.
That was due to a faulty ipad auto correct
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Jon Mrakov Richmond Groupie Ralph, welcome aboard :thumbsup
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Jon Mrakov Richmond Groupie Ralph, welcome aboard :thumbsup
;)
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He considered it at the end of 2010, 2011 and 2012.
It's not the early 90s anymore where Michael Tuck ran around doing nothing for a decade. :shh
No he didn't. Why do you get on here and write this crap?
So when did he consider it then big guy?
He'd had enough in 2011. Told Dimma who laughed at him and told him he will be playing on next year. That's all there is to it. Stop putting up false info on here when you don't know what you're on about. Go back to BigFooty, RichmondGroupie. :thumbsup
First of all that's not me. Second of all Tuck has considered retiring every year since 2010 you nut job :D
Do you seriously want me to go and find your old posts on there which are identical to the rubbish you write on here? If a bloke has considered retiring 3 times, why hasn't he retired? He didn't consider retiring in 2011, he was retiring until he got talked out of it. I think you'd find he's more than happy to continue on due the fact he's in the seniors.
Jon Ralph must have no clue then
If this is remotely true (considered retiring) in this era of professional sport - it ain't Ralphy who has no clue :lol
If someone offered you $250k a year to play sport on a year by year basis and the alternative was labouring (or whatever it would be for Tucky)
what would you do?
Purely laughable to think he wouldn't just be focused on a football career until it is obvious he has run out of steam.
And based on his past year, plenty of steam in the ol Tucky
Good luck to him and stuff the posters who are trying to troll their way through this forum. :sleep
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:clapping
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Tucky back playing this week via Coburg.
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Coburg will win. Whoever we're playing won't be able to get the footy in the middle. Tucky!!!! :clapping
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Tucky back playing this week via Coburg.
Great news
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Good opportunity over the next two rounds to give him some VFL fitness and bring him in for round 17-onwards IMO. Games against Freo, Swans and Hawks will require a big body like his. Maybe a chance to rest the likes of Vlastuin against those teams.
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Tucky will be back soon. Contested possessions yesss
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RICHMOND - Shane Tuck
Midfielder Shane Tuck grew up in the '90s listening to the Red Hot Chili Peppers top the charts with classic tunes like 'Under the Bridge', 'Scar Tissue' and 'Give it Away'. Inspired by the American rockers, he took up the drums in high school and is known around the club for his skill on the skins. The 31-year-old has become less active through his 167-game career at Richmond, but he still finds time to play as part of band Less Than Zero. Tuck is into a variety of musical styles, with punk rockers NOFX, heavy metal band Pantera and progressive four-piece Tool among his favourites. - Nathan Schmook
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-18/your-clubs-hidden-talents
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Tucky is a machine, must listen to Pantera before he plays :bow :cheers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3JSbOt7CLo&feature=share&list=PLA4F936A27CB89296
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Newy wanted to play guitar for Metallica \m/ :cheers
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Newy wanted to play guitar for Metallica \m/ :cheers
Metallica:
Ins: Tuck, Newman
out: Lars, Kirk
:cheers
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In Cliff Burton
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Newy wanted to play guitar for Metallica \m/ :cheers
Metallica:
Ins: Tuck, Newman
out: Lars, Kirk
:cheers
Tuck, Master of Clearances.
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In Cliff Burton
Cliff 'Em All :bow :bow :bow
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fade to Tuck
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Trapped Under a pack
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Of tuck and man :shh
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Tuck and destroy
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Oh and Dimma if you let tuck play out the rest of the year expect this best seller to be released at the punt rd jukebox:
And finals for all..... :cheers
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ah brothers you've brought me joy
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Newy wanted to play guitar for Metallica \m/ :cheers
Metallica:
Ins: Mustaine,Tuck, Newman
out: Lars, Kirk
:cheers
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Will Tucky ever get another game at senior level?
It seems he is out of sorts with Dimma and last weeks game in the reserves did him no favours.
For my money he should be in but who goes out?
Can anyone see a way to squeeze Tucky back in?
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Drop Shane Edwards or Matt Arnot
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Can't drop stitch u twit
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why not old twit?
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How would Tucky go roaming across the HB line?
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Drop Shane Edwards or Matt Arnot
Hmmm can't see that option
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you can't see Arnot coming out for Tuck?
sheesh
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why not old twit?
Only aboriginal in the side
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Will Tucky ever get another game at senior level?
It seems he is out of sorts with Dimma and last weeks game in the reserves did him no favours.
For my money he should be in but who goes out?
Can anyone see a way to squeeze Tucky back in?
Out of sorts with Dimma?
He's played what 2 maybe 3 games back since missing 5-6 weeks with a smashed up collarbone
Would think it has more to do with match fitness as well as the fact who do you drop?
Reckon he is big chance this week against the Swans and Arnot would be the unlucky one IMHO
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Tornedo of Souls?
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We played Tuck across half back when he returned in 2011. Remember? That's why we dropped him, to teach him a new role at Coburg LMFAO. Maybe he is currently learning how to play as a forward pocket something ;D
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If Tuckys not in, I'm available
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He's played what 2 maybe 3 games back since missing 5-6 weeks with a smashed up collarbone
Errrr no it was his scapula?
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He's played what 2 maybe 3 games back since missing 5-6 weeks with a smashed up collarbone
Errrr no it was his scapula?
Thanks Doctor
Stand corrected - not smashed up collarbone, shoulder blade ;D
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He was lucky.
Fractured scapulae can often involve the glenoid fossa (shoulder joint).
If that happens, the injury is more serious.
Tucky's didn't.
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Thanks Doctor
Not yet ;)
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Thanks Doctor
Not yet ;)
:clapping :clapping
Well done (in anticipation ;D)
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Stoppage specialist Shane Tuck will come under consideration at selection after winning 25 possessions, including 11 clearances, with Coburg last week.
Hardwick said the match committee needed to find a way to "manipulate the side" to make room for the midfielder.
"From a clearance and contested ball point of view last week we were very good," he said.
"Does Shane make us better in that area? Of course he does. But we've got to make sure we get what's best for the side."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-25/we-cant-overpay-hardwick
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He's backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk! :thumbsup
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Big Dog :clapping
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The man with the plan :clapping
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Best KPD going around :clapping
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Best KPD going around :clapping
I believe he's being brought back to man up Big Kurt
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Shane tucks in
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Monday, August 19, 2013
Veteran Richmond midfielder Shane Tuck packed plenty into just one and a half quarters of game time in last Saturday’s clash with Carlton at the MCG.
By the time the final siren sounded, the 31-year-old had racked up 16 disposals, including 13 contested possessions, which was the second most for the game, behind teammate Daniel Jackson (16).
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-19/shane-tucks-in
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used it poorly
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not when you consider they were nearly all contested.
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all things taken into consideration, used it poorly
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what sort of disposal efficiency would you regard as acceptable for someone who has 80% of their possessions as contested?
(Just as a side track, Foley had most his uncontested and totaly butchered the the ball at 44% efficiency)
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Depends if you regard having someone touching your shorts while you handball to a target 1m away as a contested possession, and if said disposal lands within 1m of target equals "efficient" ;)
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Oh..... I see....
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reckon tucky will retire. even before the injury this yr he was struggling. some real poor habits crept back in against carlton.
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Agree, I think he's on his last legs. Would be nice to keep him in the VFL team where he only has to train twice a week or whatever.
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Like to see him play a full game!!
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Doesn't help that he is playing out of position, FFS get out of the way Rance and Chaplin
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I hope he plays a full game, finds form, signs another year and makes 200 games.
Bit of a tragic I know.
Lots of players butchered the ball VS Carlton. At least he got the damn thing. Half our blokes couldn't get near it, including Cotch and Dusty.
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I'm also a massive fan of Tuck. I have no doubt if we give him some full games he will find form. He's very important for our structure and we don't have a hard nut that can take his place yet.
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Agree. Needs a full game.
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I'm also a massive fan of Tuck. I have no doubt if we give him some full games he will find form. He's very important for our structure and we don't have a hard nut that can take his place yet.
Agreed, I think he struggles to pick up the pace of the game as a sub and as a consequence he rushes his decisions when he gets the pill.
He was playing okay before he was injured earlier this year.
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He doesn't have the tank to run-out a full game.
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:lol
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I'm also a massive fan of Tuck. I have no doubt if we give him some full games he will find form. He's very important for our structure and we don't have a hard nut that can take his place yet.
He was playing okay before he was injured earlier this year.
:o
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Tucky dropped.
Is this the end?
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Boooo.
Feel for the guy. A 32 year old inside midfielder playing as the sub, still gets decent numbers yet gets dropped by the same guy who begged him not to retire. Unreal
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stuff dimma, resisting using that 4 letter word :banghead
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Tucky dropped.
Is this the end?
yep.....but I reckon he'll stick around for the our VFL Club in 2014.
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I'm all kinds of peeed off he's been named as an emergency. Unless they pull a Nahas and slot him in on the 11th hour?
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pull a Nahas and slot him in
:lol
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pull a Nahas and slot him in
:lol
The only thing big enough to handle what Nahas is slotting would be an elephant or perhaps something prehistoric :o
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Tucky dropped.
Is this the end?
Grrreaaatttt with Tucky out, Cameron will have a field day and probably kick about 15 goals
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Very sad to hear this. Best 22 for sure IMO. Should have been given a full game. Will need him come finals. Would be heartbreaking if he doesn't get finals experience.
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Surely Tuck will play Finals.
Deserves it!
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Surely Tuck will play Finals.
Deserves it!
Yep otherwise the KPF's in the other sides will run riot against us
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yep, not happy, going in short down back without Tucky
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yep, not happy, going in short down back without Tucky
Not playing tucky cost us the game against carlton, he is just hard, tough and gives us great drive plus he plays tall and is a great mark. Why hardwick perseveres with this poo is beyond me. If tucky doesnt play against ess or in 1st game of finals (probably against carlton) it will be effin disgraceful
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Will come back in next week for a full game and be in prime form for finals :thumbsup
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Will Tuck play against the dons?
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I hope so. Not like we're going to be beating up on little kids like yesterday. Will need more toughness against the Dons.
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I hope so. Not like we're going to be beating up on little kids like yesterday. Will need more toughness against the Dons.
Agreed. We need to remember Heppell is out. We'll be up against men.
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yep, not happy, going in short down back without Tucky
Not playing tucky cost us the game against carlton, he is just hard, tough and gives us great drive plus he plays tall and is a great mark. Why hardwick perseveres with this poo is beyond me. If tucky doesnt play against ess or in 1st game of finals (probably against carlton) it will be effin disgraceful
agree
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From: "A tale of three Tucks"
Eamon Evans
Tuesday, October 29, 2013
Source: SportsFan
Oldest son Shane started his career in the brown and gold 10 years later ... and it very nearly proved the end of him. Physically unready for AFL football (he battled ankle problems, heart problems and osteitis pubis), the teenager found it a psychological burden as well.
"You walk down the hallway and your old man's in every premiership photo," Shane has since said of his short stint at Glenferrie, which ended with his delisting in 2002.
"I think it was a burden," Michael says. "Everywhere he went, people would ask him about his old man ... I've always said to him that he's Shane Tuck, not Michael Tuck, but some can handle that pressure and some can't. The best part about him (eventually being drafted to Richmond in 2004) is that it's his own career. He's Shane Tuck of Richmond, which is good for him…"
Shane was also good for Richmond, of course. Now retired after 171 games, he mostly made do on one-year contracts, and often came close to being cut. But the team should have shown more faith. At the end of Shane's career, had had seven top-10 places in Richmond's best-and-fairest award, and an average of 23 possessions a game.
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/a-tale-of-three-tucks/tabid/91/newsid/114527/default.aspx