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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Diocletian on October 25, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
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For me:
Delist Soldo, Drummond
That would then give us 8 spots to fill with Lynch already coming in.
Draft:
Trade up on draft night and snag Riley Collier-Dawkins (Stocker) , Ely Smith(Valente), Riley Grundy/(Stack) Have to snag at least one of RCD or Smith.
Late draft/ rookie M.Grigg, Fort/Sweet, Gibbons (Lantini/S.Nelson/J.Bolton), Goy Lok
DFA: Jesse Lonergan( though happy to just take another kid or state leaguer instead or even leave a vacant spot for the mid-season draft.)
Your turn stuffers.... :shh
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I don't really follow the draft anymore but I have heard good things about Jordan Clark and I hope he becomes a Tiger on draft night.
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For me:
Delist Soldo, Drummond
That would then give us 8 spots to fill with Lynch already coming in.
Draft:
Trade up on draft night and snag Riley Collier-Dawkins (Stocker) , Ely Smith(Valente), Riley Grundy/(Stack) Have to snag at least one of RCD or Smith.
Late draft/ rookie M.Grigg, Fort/Sweet, Gibbons (Lantini/S.Nelson/J.Bolton), Goy Lok
DFA: Jesse Lonergan( though happy to just take another kid or state leaguer instead or even leave a vacant spot for the mid-season draft.)
Your turn stuffers.... :shh
Delist Soldo?
Shirley you're joking?
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You must've bawled your eyes out when we traded Gus Graham & delisted Andrew Browne......:shh
Now instead of criticising others how about you put your sack on the line and tell us your ideal result?:shh :shh
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You must've bawled your eyes out when we traded Gus Graham & delisted Andrew Browne......:shh
Now instead of criticising others how about you put your sack on the line and tell us your ideal result?:shh :shh
Keeping a back up ruckman in case of emergency would be a start.
Or are you of the opinion that Grigg can grow over pre season?
Our ruck situation is absolutely precarious with only one other developing 19 year old who showed the minimum of improvement in his first year. Getting rid of our only back up is suicide.
Recruit a State leaguer as a further back up but getting rid of Soldo? Think man. Think.
As for the rest of my strategy. First select best available and then go all out on inside mids.
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let's be honest, if Soldo wasn't related to Maric he'd have never gotten near an AFL list & would have been delisted already if he had somehow gotten onto a list.
Great guy, produces great effort but it just miles off it. He should stay if there's no one better to be back up for Nank, but come on, there has to be someone.....:shh
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:shh
Soldo is a lumbering dud who can barely jump ,averages less than one contested mark & less than two uncontested marks a game at VFL level can't play forward and isn't much better back - he won't make it and belongs in the pre- Jim Stynes if not pre-Simon Madden era of ruckmen...Fort or Sweet would both be upgrades, Chol & CCJ both have higher ceilings are far more versatile with stats that are already comparable if not better and at the very least wouldn't hamper us around the ground to the extent Soldo does and Balta and even Moore & Miller are better second ruck options for the same reason.... :shh
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let's be honest, if Soldo wasn't related to Maric he'd have never gotten near an AFL list & would have been delisted already if he had somehow gotten onto a list.
Great guy, produces great effort but it just miles off it. He should stay if there's no one better to be back up for Nank, but come on, there has to be someone.....:shh
The club didn't see fit to draft any recognisable rucks in the latest trade period so maybe they have an ace in their pack, but until I see their hand, I'm holding onto our joker.
Recruiting one a priority. Getting rid of our only back up is lunacy
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Mate relax - the club will probably keep the spud as they've already stated that they're not really chasing any rucks this off-season...this thread is just meant for hypotheticals and what posters would like too see happen not what will happen ....and if my record over the last 20 years regarding what I'd like the club to do and what the club actually does is any indicator, I'll be lucky if they delist anybody or recruit even one of the players I mentioned in my post.... :shh
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Mate relax - the club will probably keep the spud as they've already stated that they're not really chasing any rucks this off-season...this thread is just meant for hypotheticals and what posters would like too see happen not what will happen ....and if my record over the last 20 years regarding what I'd like the club to do and what the club actually does is any indicator, I'll be lucky if they delist anybody or recruit even one of the players I mentioned in my post.... :shh
Apologies. I got serious there for a while.
Can't help myself sometimes. And don't call me Shirley ;D
P.S Tom Campbell from Dogs just delisted
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:shh
Soldo is a lumbering dud who can barely jump ,averages less than one contested mark & less than two uncontested marks a game at VFL level can't play forward and isn't much better back - he won't make it and belongs in the pre- Jim Stynes if not pre-Simon Madden era of ruckmen...Fort or Sweet would both be upgrades, Chol & CCJ both have higher ceilings are far more versatile with stats that are already comparable if not better and at the very least wouldn't hamper us around the ground to the extent Soldo does and Balta and even Moore & Miller are better second ruck options for the same reason.... :shh
The same lumbering dud that held his own against Witts in his only game for the year against Gold Coast.
Soldo has only played four years of football so has a greater scope for development.
But seeing that you are lying out of your preverbial to make your case it is pointless trying to debate Soldo with you.
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Can someone explain to me how we would trade up to an earlier pick with only pick 17 & 37 then picks in the 60's????
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Can someone explain to me how we would trade up to an earlier pick with only pick 17 & 37 then picks in the 60's????
Can still trade future picks I think
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:shh
Soldo is a lumbering dud who can barely jump ,averages less than one contested mark & less than two uncontested marks a game at VFL level can't play forward and isn't much better back - he won't make it and belongs in the pre- Jim Stynes if not pre-Simon Madden era of ruckmen...Fort or Sweet would both be upgrades, Chol & CCJ both have higher ceilings are far more versatile with stats that are already comparable if not better and at the very least wouldn't hamper us around the ground to the extent Soldo does and Balta and even Moore & Miller are better second ruck options for the same reason.... :shh
The same lumbering dud that held his own against Witts in his only game for the year against Gold Coast.
Soldo has only played four years of football so has a greater scope for development.
But seeing that you are lying out of your preverbial to make your case it is pointless trying to debate Soldo with you.
You have your head up your proverbial if you think Soldo was that good against the GC withches hats or is a good player full stop. :shh
Oh and I guess these stats are lying out their proverbials too re: marks and goals...
http://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=198475546&client=1-3020-150493-477473-26138802&ocompID=477473
:shh :shh
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You claim that Soldo is a lumberer and can't jump, I umpired him in the year he was listed as a b Class rookie and he was athletic and had a very good leap.
This game was a practice match and even though he only played 3/4's I would have given him the three votes.
It was obvious he had never played football before as the midfielders were continually telling him where to position himself on the field but he owned the ruck contest and took intercept marks.
I found out later he also played 3/4's of the next match also, not bad in 32 degree heat.
You might say that he has grown taller and may not be as athletic now but if you know anything about growth spurts it affects the co-ordination. So that is why many big men only show their true potential well after they stop growing and develop the co-ordination.
As you started off your argument with a lie ( unless you have some facts to back up your claim ) the rest of your statement lacks credibility.
By the way in that Gold Coast match he beat Witts in the ruck contest 34 to 33 not bad for a player with only four years of football under his belt against a AFL seasoned ruckman.
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You claim that Soldo is a lumberer and can't jump, I umpired him in the year he was listed as a b Class rookie and he was athletic and had a very good leap.
This game was a practice match and even though he only played 3/4's I would have given him the three votes.
It was obvious he had never played football before as the midfielders were continually telling him where to position himself on the field but he owned the ruck contest and took intercept marks.
I found out later he also played 3/4's of the next match also, not bad in 32 degree heat.
You might say that he has grown taller and may not be as athletic now but if you know anything about growth spurts it affects the co-ordination. So that is why many big men only show their true potential well after they stop growing and develop the co-ordination.
As you started off your argument with a lie ( unless you have some facts to back up your claim ) the rest of your statement lacks credibility.
By the way in that Gold Coast match he beat Witts in the ruck contest 34 to 33 not bad for a player with only four years of football under his belt against a AFL seasoned ruckman.
Have you watched him now - he barely jumps higher than six inches half the time....and it's not just at ruck contests - half the reason he didn't take more than four marks in any one match this year is that he takes off like the stuffing Spruce Goose... :shh
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he takes off like the stuffing Spruce Goose... :shh
Now you just leave Stephen Jurica out of this
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You claim that Soldo is a lumberer and can't jump, I umpired him in the year he was listed as a b Class rookie and he was athletic and had a very good leap.
This game was a practice match and even though he only played 3/4's I would have given him the three votes.
It was obvious he had never played football before as the midfielders were continually telling him where to position himself on the field but he owned the ruck contest and took intercept marks.
I found out later he also played 3/4's of the next match also, not bad in 32 degree heat.
You might say that he has grown taller and may not be as athletic now but if you know anything about growth spurts it affects the co-ordination. So that is why many big men only show their true potential well after they stop growing and develop the co-ordination.
As you started off your argument with a lie ( unless you have some facts to back up your claim ) the rest of your statement lacks credibility.
By the way in that Gold Coast match he beat Witts in the ruck contest 34 to 33 not bad for a player with only four years of football under his belt against a AFL seasoned ruckman.
Have you watched him now - he barely jumps higher than six inches half the time....and it's not just at ruck contests - half the reason he didn't take more than four marks in any one match this year is that he takes off like the stuffing Spruce Goose... :shh
And yet he beat Witts in the knockouts in the Gold coast match.
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the knockouts :lol
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I don't recall Soldo knocking out Witts...you think he would've been suspended....must've been after the match.... :huh
Anyway.... is anyone going actually to offer up their own preferred draft result or a we just going to debate the relative merits of Ivan stuffing Soldo now? :shh
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the knockouts :lol
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the knockouts :lol
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Yesssssss big man
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Not gonna pretend I know anything about the under 18 draft group or the state leaguers to participate in the discussion about who we should bring in other than it should be mids mids and more mids.
In terms of our own list think Drummond will be getting the chop and personally don’t think either of chol or soldo will make it but would keep them both on the list this season while we target mids this draft. Would consider delisting soldo if we pick up a ruckman from the state league to replace his spot.
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I have just had a look at the delistings from other clubs. Players who interest me most from other clubs
1) Harry Dear from Adelaide. he was terrific in the preseason last year and has never really gotten a chance. I prefer to him chol.
2) Mav Weller from St Kilda. not a star by any stretch but he is a professional footballer who can fill a spot if we have injuries.
3) Dean Towers from Sydney. Ive always liked Towers as a player. Havent followed him much last year or two but has shown he can play
4) Jesse Lonergan from Gold Coast. Has this kid ever had a chance to develop properly. Could play inside mid which we need.
5) Will Langford from Hawthorn. Many consider a dud but played a great grand final so has ability. Could fill a spot.
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I have just had a look at the delistings from other clubs. Players who interest me most from other clubs
1) Harry Dear from Adelaide. he was terrific in the preseason last year and has never really gotten a chance. I prefer to him chol.
2) Mav Weller from St Kilda. not a star by any stretch but he is a professional footballer who can fill a spot if we have injuries.
3) Dean Towers from Sydney. Ive always liked Towers as a player. Havent followed him much last year or two but has shown he can play
4) Jesse Lonergan from Gold Coast. Has this kid ever had a chance to develop properly. Could play inside mid which we need.
5) Will Langford from Hawthorn. Many consider a dud but played a great grand final so has ability. Could fill a spot.
No to Langford, the rest i'd be ok with.
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I have just had a look at the delistings from other clubs. Players who interest me most from other clubs
1) Harry Dear from Adelaide. he was terrific in the preseason last year and has never really gotten a chance. I prefer to him chol.
2) Mav Weller from St Kilda. not a star by any stretch but he is a professional footballer who can fill a spot if we have injuries.
3) Dean Towers from Sydney. Ive always liked Towers as a player. Havent followed him much last year or two but has shown he can play
4) Jesse Lonergan from Gold Coast. Has this kid ever had a chance to develop properly. Could play inside mid which we need.
5) Will Langford from Hawthorn. Many consider a dud but played a great grand final so has ability. Could fill a spot.
No to Langford, the rest i'd be ok with.
Dud is an understatement. Strong no.
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We don't have to worry about Langford, he's retired because he wants to be a one club player
Also, because he is contracted Dawks are going to put him on their rookie list for cap space reasons
Would considered Weller as a rookie if we don't retain Townsend
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Thoughts on Lyons from the Suns?
He's perhaps a slight downgrade on Miles, but strong inside mid from what I've seen. Albeit this year he stunk it up.
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Never seen Weller play from saints what is he a inside midfielder and hows his skills ?.
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Thoughts on Lyons from the Suns?
He's perhaps a slight downgrade on Miles, but strong inside mid from what I've seen. Albeit this year he stunk it up.
Just saw that the Lions have offered 3 years to Lyons
Jack Leslie delisted too, a high pick, tall defender from Victoria. 198cm, I wonder if he can ruck?
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Thoughts on Lyons from the Suns?
He's perhaps a slight downgrade on Miles, but strong inside mid from what I've seen. Albeit this year he stunk it up.
Just saw that the Lions have offered 3 years to Lyons
Jack Leslie delisted too, a high pick, tall defender from Victoria. 198cm, I wonder if he can ruck?
Doesn't say much for Leslie if they still delisted him even after losing May. :shh :shh
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I'd consider Broomehead but he's probably stuffed after that broken leg which was similar to Nathan Brown's and won't be able to play until halfway through next year anyway....plus Collingwood's pledged to rookie him, not that I'd care about stuffing them over...... :shh
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I would do it If I was Richmond. Cyril would be great for us.
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I would do it If I was Richmond. Cyril would be great for us.
As a Free Agent he must accept any offer
He won't so this is a typical non story by young Sammy Mc
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Has already met Balmey.... :shh
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We don't have to worry about Langford, he's retired because he wants to be a one club player
Also, because he is contracted Dawks are going to put him on their rookie list for cap space reasons
Would considered Weller as a rookie if we don't retain Townsend
Only my opinion but Weller would be a backward step for the club. Especially after trading/giving away better players.
Townsend is twice the footballer Weller is, but isn’t one of Dimma’s favourites.
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We don't have to worry about Langford, he's retired because he wants to be a one club player
Also, because he is contracted Dawks are going to put him on their rookie list for cap space reasons
Would considered Weller as a rookie if we don't retain Townsend
Only my opinion but Weller would be a backward step for the club. Especially after trading/giving away better players.
Townsend is twice the footballer Weller is, but isn’t one of Dimma’s favourites.
I agree on the assessment of recruiting Weller being a backward step. Surely we haven't let the players go that we have only to recruit someone else's rejects.
I'd have thought our priority now was drafting in young players or possibly a couple of players untried at AFL level (ala Kane Lambert or Liam Baker).
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Mitch Grigg isn't untried at AFL level but he should our number one state league target (followed by Gibbons from Willywankers) :shh
Freo just delisted Apeness...always liked the look of him - only real concern for me is his injury history.... :shh :shh
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We don't have to worry about Langford, he's retired because he wants to be a one club player
Also, because he is contracted Dawks are going to put him on their rookie list for cap space reasons
Would considered Weller as a rookie if we don't retain Townsend
Only my opinion but Weller would be a backward step for the club. Especially after trading/giving away better players.
Townsend is twice the footballer Weller is, but isn’t one of Dimma’s favourites.
Agree
Townsend is 3-4 times the player that Menadue & Moore are and we know what happened tbere
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This off-season seems to be the definition of "one step forwards, two steps back".
One Step forward - we get Lynch as a free agent.
Two steps back - lose ruck and midfield depth (Griffith, Hampson, Chol, Conca, Miles, Lloyd, Ellis, Stengle)
Still it was only in the losing final that we were exposed for this lack of depth and that's never going to happen again. ::)
After all we won a premiership only a year ago so our leaders are so much smarter than everyone else.
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There's maybe one or two I'm sorry to see go but still gotta laugh at all this hysterical nonsense & carry-on about losing depth as if they were all great players that can't be easily replaced or upgraded on...if anything there's probably a couple more we should've traded out/delisted... :shh
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This off-season seems to be the definition of "one step forwards, two steps back".
One Step forward - we get Lynch as a free agent.
Two steps back - lose ruck and midfield depth (Griffith, Hampson, Chol, Conca, Miles, Lloyd, Ellis, Stengle)
Still it was only in the losing final that we were exposed for this lack of depth and that's never going to happen again. ::)
After all we won a premiership only a year ago so our leaders are so much smarter than everyone else.
WTF, what depth did we need in the losing final? We had our best side in.
In regards to;
Two steps forward - we get Lynch as a free agent.
One step forward - lose crap players (Griffith, Hampson, Chol, Conca, Miles, Lloyd, Ellis, Stengle)
I have edited for accuracy
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This off-season seems to be the definition of "one step forwards, two steps back".
One Step forward - we get Lynch as a free agent.
Two steps back - lose ruck and midfield depth (Griffith, Hampson, Chol, Conca, Miles, Lloyd, Ellis, Stengle)
Still it was only in the losing final that we were exposed for this lack of depth and that's never going to happen again. ::)
After all we won a premiership only a year ago so our leaders are so much smarter than everyone else.
WTF, what depth did we need in the losing final? We had our best side in.
In regards to;
Two steps forward - we get Lynch as a free agent.
One step forward - lose crap players (Griffith, Hampson, Chol, Conca, Miles, Lloyd, Ellis, Stengle)
I have edited for accuracy
really?
think about it, particularly one dud who had already helped us lose final and it seemed he helped us again.
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This off-season seems to be the definition of "one step forwards, two steps back".
One Step forward - we get Lynch as a free agent.
Two steps back - lose ruck and midfield depth (Griffith, Hampson, Chol, Conca, Miles, Lloyd, Ellis, Stengle)
Still it was only in the losing final that we were exposed for this lack of depth and that's never going to happen again. ::)
After all we won a premiership only a year ago so our leaders are so much smarter than everyone else.
WTF, what depth did we need in the los
ing final? We had our best side in.
In regards to;
Two steps forward - we get Lynch as a free agent.
One step forward - lose crap players (Griffith, Hampson, Chol, Conca, Miles, Lloyd, Ellis, Stengle)
I have edited for accuracy
Looking at any one of these players in isolation might lead to you conclusion that its a step forwards but don't underestimate the value of players playing well in the two's and putting pressure on the 22 running out each week at AFL evel. Don't you think McIntosh, Graham, Ellis etc felt the pressure if Lloyd and Miles getting leather posion each week.and The small forwards felling the same from Townsend, Bolton, Stengle etc. Not sure we haven't sold the farm getting Lynch,. Hope not but we will soon find out.
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Will say it again all these players leaving who apart from conca (at least in the coaches eyes) were nothing more than back up players at best that only came in due to injury and really bad form just pushes the next crop up who hopefully have long term futures at the club. Players who weren’t in our 22 against Collingwood still on the list- Bellis, Bolton, Balta, Garthwaite, Miller, Baker, Markov, Naish, Soldo, Moore, Miller, Menadue and CCJ. Then we still have additions to come through potential delisted free agents as well as the draft and rookie draft.
List is in good shape, everyone relax.
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One thing for sure is with Townsend gone we dont have one permanent medium fwd on the list.People may scoff at this but i think a 2 goal a game MED/TALL fwd like Menzel would suit us.
We do have Caddy and Martin but imo with so few mids on the list, i count just 12 all up, these two are going to have to spend significant time in the middle. especially as they are the only two big mids we have and Martin is our best clearance player an area we stunk up this yr.Lets find a medium who can free these two up to spend more time in the middle.
LIST OF MIDS
Inside
Graham - 181cm 21yo
Prestia - 175cm 26yo
Cotchin - 185cm 28yo could probably say the latter 2 are both inside and outside.
Outside
Menadue - 187cm 22yo
McIntosh - 191cm 25yo
Lambert - 178cm 27yo
Grigg - 190cm 30yo
My view at this stage only Lambert is a long term keeper. Menadue has failed to grasp any of the numerous chances hes had when promoted. McItosh is just average at best who doesnt get enough ball and is as fumbly as they come.
Mid/Fwd
Martin 187cm 27yo
Caddy - 186cm 26yo
Edwards - 181cm 30yo
Higgins - 177cm 20yo
Baker - 173cm 21yo
Imo we need at 4 or 5 mids both inside and outside and at least two need to be big bodied ball winners.
SML FWDS
Rioli - 179cm 21yo. some think he can play midfield but to me he is primarily a fwd.
Bolton - 175cm 20yo.
Butler - 182cm 22yo
Castagna 181cm 22yo
There is probably too many on the list especially when you have mids Edwards, Higgins, Lambert, and Baker who can and do go thru there. My concern is even if all of the small fwds become mids which wont happen it makes for an inordinate amount of small midfielders.
Medium fwds
None. We have two mids Martin and Caddy who play thru there.Imo we need one possibly two medium fwds. Maybe Markov could be an option here.
KP/TALL FWDS.
Riewoldt - 195cm 30yo
Lynch - 199cm 25yo
Moore - 193cm 22yo
If Balta is a fwd then we are okay here but imo he really looks like a Kpd. Would like another Genuine tall fwd on the list with the future in mind.
SML DEF
D E-S - 180cm 20yo
Naish - 182cm 20yo
Short - 178cm 23yo
B Ellis - 181cm 25yo
Houli - 180cm 30yo
Houli at 30 is probably the best of the 5 thats saying something . He wont be around much longer. I dont believe either Short or B Ellis good enough, id personally look to trade em out..Naish and D E-S are juniors so we have development covered. We have the numbers but we dont have the all round players we need imo .Personally id be looking for a defender who can go one v one and also provide the run and delivery.
Medium Def
Markov - 187cm 22yo
Vlastuin - 187cm 24yo
There is only the two but with tall players like Broad and Grimes we have cover as they can and do play on smaller types.
Markov is a concern like Menadue he has failed to take his opportunities would like another Medium Def on the list Maybe Jez McClennan type.
KP/TALL Defenders
Garthwaite - 192cm 20yo
Broad - 192cm 25yo
Grimes - 193cm 27yo
Miller - 195cm 19yo
Balta - 194cm 19yo
Astbury - 195cm 28yo
Rance - 194cm 29yo
Imo Balta and Miller are the natural replacements for Rance and Astbury if they are good enough down the track. Garthwaite is a replacement for grimes or Broad.
At first glance it looks like too many tall defenders but Broad and Grimes generally perform med/sml roles.Clearly we have plenty of cover here.
Rucks
C C-J - 200cm 19yo.
Soldo - 204cm 22yo
Nankervis - 199cm 24yo
We have long term covered in C C-J, We have a servicable hard at it ruckman in Nankervis.
We have long term project ruckman in Soldo. He may or may not get there but was always going to take a fair bit of time being so new to the game when we got him. Like most i think we need another mature ruckman as cover for Nankervis.
The way i see it we have 9 spots to fill. I assume Moore will be promoted so that leaves 8.
4 Mids
1 Med fwd
1 Med def
1 Ruck
1 Sml def, Med fwd or even a long term project player.
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we're getting this type of thing from Mopsy again ^
must be carded over at BF
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I love a good list analysis
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I love a good list analysis
:bow
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we're getting this type of thing from Mopsy again ^
must be carded over at BF
No im quite good over at BF.
Just putting my view on what the list needs on a list management thread.
Your welcome to debate anything ive said i think it is mostly correct.
We need mids or do you disagree.,
We dont have one permanent med fwd on the list we could do with one or two i suppose you disagree with that as well.
Our sml defenders who are getting games are iffy in one way or another and one is getting on at 30 . Thats a fact.But hey lets have a guess you disagree.
We have 8 small players who can play as sml fwds we dont need any more but wait you disagree.
We have heaps of tall defenders 7 of them and dont need anymore are you really going to disagree with that.
We have three ruckmen one a junior one a project player and one decent ruckman we could probably do with some cover for Toby but wait you disagree.
Last but not least we have just two medium sized defenders, and could probably do with another. We do have some cover here with tall defenders Broad and Grimes capable of covering smaller players. But wait you disagree.
It would be great to know what you think we need and what the list short comings are rather than taking spineless shots at those who do put it out there.But hey you would need to have some sort of clue and the courage of your own convictions for that and we all know you fail on both counts.
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I'll give you my retort when you list what your problem with Jayden Short is in the other thread that you've been avoiding.
Because to be honest, you just like bagging blokes out and saying they need to be replaced without really saying why. So get started on Shorty and I'll get my Swahili translator out and reply to your list analysis
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My response would be that you get way too caught up with the height of players and categorising their positions based on that.
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Permanent medium forward? Caddy is almost permanent as he hardly goes into the midfield these days. Who says we need one that is permanent anyway? I'm for versatility. A good medium forward that can go into the midfield is far more useful to a team with the rotations that are required in modern footy.
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So according to Hartley on Talking Tigers we'll just be going to the draft using 4 picks in the ND and the rest in the rookie draft so no DFA's and going back to a 38/6 llist but we are looking at the trading of live picks -he sounded pretty keen and had been to US to discuss with a couple NFL clubs on how they approach it over there, sounded like we'll be targeting kids ahead of state leaguers but also said we were considering leaving a spot free for next year's mid-season draft which is when we'd be looking at state leaguers.... :shh