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Tigers give thumbs up to Wallace
Jake Niall | The Age | April 30, 2008
RICHMOND'S hierarchy will stick with Terry Wallace as senior coach at least until his contract expires in 2009, unless there is a dramatic collapse in the team's much-improved form.
Richmond president Gary March said last night that Wallace would coach the club in 2009 — the final year of his five-year contract — unless "something went completely pear-shaped", which the club is confident will not happen.
"As far as I'm concerned, he's going to be there to coach until the end of 2009," March said.
"Unless something went completely pear-shaped, in which case … I think all of us — it wouldn't just be Terry Wallace — the entire club would come under serious scrutiny because we wouldn't have performed for two seasons in a row.
"But, you know, we've never envisaged that happening. So for me, I can't see any reason why we would even be discussing Terry Wallace being the coach of the Richmond Football Club next year because as far as I'm concerned, that's what he's contracted to do and that's what he'll be."
Wallace began the year arguably under more pressure than any other AFL coach, given that the Tigers finished last with three wins in his third season and are yet to play finals during his tenure.
The improving Tigers have since won 2˝ games and have been competitive in five of their six matches, despite widespread predictions that they would again finish on the bottom of the ladder.
March said making the eight in 2008 was "never" a benchmark to measure whether Wallace should retain his job next year.
"It never was. If we haven't made the eight by the end of 2009, that might be a different thing," March said.
"We'll cross that next year. It was about where our list would be at and whether we thought we redeveloped a list that had a long-term future, rather than in the eight one year, you know, what Melbourne have done over the years."
March said Wallace would be given 100% support to fulfil his contract, so long as he stuck to the club's long-term vision for team success.
"He would have my unequivocal support to see through that plan, as long we stayed true to that plan. He's never deviated with me."
March said Wallace was being judged on the development of the list and whether a team was being built with youngsters rather than playing finals. "That's what we're judging him on — has he been able to develop those players to being regular first-18 players that can hold their own against the better sides in the competition?"
March said Wallace had coached "very well" in all but one game — the defeat by North Melbourne — this year, adding that he would sit down to discuss the future with Wallace "when the time's right for both of us".
"The time's not been right," March said. "All I wanted Terry to do this year was focus on coaching the side and not worry about all the other crap and get on with what I reckon he's good at, which is tactics and strategies and looking to improve our game style."
Richmond's game style has changed to involve more run and carry from defence, but with a greater emphasis on defensive pressure on the opposition — a big shortcoming last year.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-give-thumbs-up-to-wallace/2008/04/29/1209234865163.html
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Round 12 hey :shh
:rollin
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if we keep improving at the rate we have this yr, and the boys clearly show they re playing with passion for the jumper club and coach, why not extend his contract.
if we beat the saints and put in a real good effort v the cats, we will make the 8 and shape it also.
its been quite cleaar, the past 3 weeks that we are no lnger easy beats nor a team that gives up
rind 12 moi, maybe the round terry gets an extension
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if we keep improving at the rate we have this yr, and the boys clearly show they re playing with passion for the jumper club and coach, why not extend his contract.
While TW is our coach I will support him to the full. Even so I don't think we need to talk about contract extensions until much much later in 2009. I agree whole heartedly with March not sacking him this year unless something unthinkable happens, but it is certainly premature to talk of extending his contract past 2009 on the back of 1 win, 1 draw and an honourable loss.
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I have been saying this for the last 2 years.
Some people ( Jack ) just dont want to listen :banghead :banghead
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Whilst reading the article, three words were on my mind......"Jackstar" and "humble pie"
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if we keep improving at the rate we have this yr, and the boys clearly show they re playing with passion for the jumper club and coach, why not extend his contract.
if we beat the saints and put in a real good effort v the cats, we will make the 8 and shape it also.
its been quite cleaar, the past 3 weeks that we are no lnger easy beats nor a team that gives up
rind 12 moi, maybe the round terry gets an extension
x u need to relax a little bit champ.
whilst i see vast improvement when comparing our game to last year, you must remember we also made the 8 under spud and look at the mess that got us in.
a few honourable losses and a draw we should've won, does not cut it for me.
knock the saints off and put in a good show against the cats and then yes we r definately on the up. I think after the geelong game we can then decide if the penny has finally dropped for our players
there should be no excuses this week, we should nail the saints to the wall. We have got them where we want em and a loss would prove no improvement to me. they are beatable the saints, in fact id say they are not even a top 8 side so we MUST win.
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comming off the Wooden Spoon ;D we have 2 wins & 1 draw & that dont change nothing for me, some people jump on the bandwagon after a few games. We are still making many skill errors & wrong decisions
we have proven nothing yet, why has it taken so long for Wallace to try Richo in a different spot when l been saying it for god knows how long. HELLO
dont forget the effort against Collingwood >:( it was the worst coaching effort l seen for many years & the Bulldogs game ??? to shut the game down 6.30 minutes from full time which clearly cost us the game >:( thats bad coaching
leaving McMahon to be 10 metres off his man most of the game is bad coaching :help
So some of you can kiss the coaches bum all you want :lol but until l see some better coaching & some good wins, l aint convinced. the coach has not earnt his Tiger Stripes ;D
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has not earnt his Tiger Stripes ;D
Did someone say my name? ;)
We are on the right track but the next two weeks will give us a better picture. I don't agree that the Saints will be easy beats in fact we have been their whipping boy for years. If we can manage a win then this will signify a turning of the tide for both us and them.
I think TW will see out his contract and could gain an extention but I do think it is way to early to make that call. Lets wait and see....
Stripes
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I have been saying this for the last 2 years.
Some people ( Jack ) just dont want to listen :banghead :banghead
Ummmmmmmmmm another quality post by an imbecile ::)
read the arctilce, March says as far as " he is concerned"" . maybe it mighten be his concern, ;) Just because we show a bit of form over the past 3 weeks, they go and "'spin doctor "' to the media.
Also March says things going pear shaped. Last weeks game with only 34 inside 50,s is hardly much a huge improvement( we didnt win the game either I might remind a few here),Freo and Bulldogs yes.
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if we keep improving at the rate we have this yr, and the boys clearly show they re playing with passion for the jumper club and coach, why not extend his contract.
if we beat the saints and put in a real good effort v the cats, we will make the 8 and shape it also.
its been quite cleaar, the past 3 weeks that we are no lnger easy beats nor a team that gives up
rind 12 moi, maybe the round terry gets an extension
LMAOOOO
Mate,ur the biggest contradiction i've ever seen.lol@ the crap and how it changes.
lol@ how u think nobody notices. :wallywink
if i get suspended for this u can all stuff off.
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OX
If you didn't get suspended for your previous two posts relating to women, what makes you think you'd be suspended for this one ?
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OX
If you didn't get suspended for your previous two posts relating to women, what makes you think you'd be suspended for this one ?
nice backhanded lag :thumbsup
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I have been saying this for the last 2 years.
Some people ( Jack ) just dont want to listen :banghead :banghead
Ummmmmmmmmm another quality post by an imbecile ::)
read the arctilce, March says as far as " he is concerned"" . maybe it mighten be his concern, ;) Just because we show a bit of form over the past 3 weeks, they go and "'spin doctor "' to the media.
Also March says things going pear shaped. Last weeks game with only 34 inside 50,s is hardly much a huge improvement( we didnt win the game either I might remind a few here),Freo and Bulldogs yes.
hilarious jack
If its not his concern you muppet, whose it gunna be.....yours? :ROTFL
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i just call it as it is plain and simple
a few weeks back when we were playing crap, i said wallce would get the sack if we show no improvement and if he makes no changes
well he has!
now the improvement we have on field , esp with our scoring rate, has been outstanding. wallace has made changes to the game plan
NOW I SAY, IF WE KEEP ON IMPROVING AT THIS RATE, IM SURE WALLACE WILL COACH BEYOND HIS CONTRACT!
WHAT PART ABOUT THAT DON'T SOME OF YOU MORONS UNDERSTAND
GO DIG THAT HOLE AGAIN AND BURY YASELF IN IT FOR GOOD
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I have been saying this for the last 2 years.
Some people ( Jack ) just dont want to listen :banghead :banghead
Ummmmmmmmmm another quality post by an imbecile ::)
read the arctilce, March says as far as " he is concerned"" . maybe it mighten be his concern, ;) Just because we show a bit of form over the past 3 weeks, they go and "'spin doctor "' to the media.
Also March says things going pear shaped. Last weeks game with only 34 inside 50,s is hardly much a huge improvement( we didnt win the game either I might remind a few here),Freo and Bulldogs yes.
hilarious jack
If its not his concern you muppet, whose it gunna be.....yours? :ROTFL
Who is up for re election this year ?
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There is a long way to go before Wallace gets a new contract.
Lets just see how we go this season before we start making any bold statements about extending his contract.
The last 3 weeks have been an improvement on last year, lets just see how the rest of the season goes please.
If we continue to improve then Wallace deserves to stay, if not then we need to access where we are at.
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I know there is a long way to go but hypothetically speaking, say we make finals this yr and next yr, i would think he would get a 3 yr renuel if that happened
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I know there is a long way to go but hypothetically speaking, say we make finals this yr and next yr, i would think he would get a 3 yr renuel if that happened
Youre probably right, hypothetically speaking ;D
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A cynic could argue that it’s only taken into TW’s fourth season for any perceptible change to take place, yet TW’s suddenly a marvel. Amazing that RFC has added resources to the footy department, but TW is getting all the credit for any form so far.
"The time's not been right," March said. "All I wanted Terry to do this year was focus on coaching the side and not worry about all the other crap and get on with what I reckon he's good at, which is tactics and strategies and looking to improve our game style."
As long as they recognise what his strengths are, and ensure support in other areas, especially player development, where he doesn’t seem so strong, then that’s something.
At this stage, I'm reserving my judgement until there’s something to get carried away about – something like consistent, sustained and sustainable improvement.
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You wouldn't expect or realistically hope that a side which is redeveloping would preform in the first few years of the process. In fact I would argue that TW first years success was detremental to the club but this was largely due to our senior players at the time fighting for their careers rather than our first year recruits performing.
TW asked for a 5 year contract because he knew it would at least take that long before the redeveloped list would begin to perform. This has as more to do with their age and stage of development than it does with TW coaching ability.
TW is a great game day coach, strategist and media manipulator. Building up talented personal to support him and 'fill in the gaps' is what every successful club does. It has just taken us this long to gain a strong administration, coach, support staff and now (fingers crossed) playing list.
Ever single part of the club needs to be working if we have any hope of succeeding.
Stripes
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I'm not sure why March needed to say anything. No one was questioning Terry's position anymore after the past 3 weeks. Why bring it up with at least 38 games still left on Plough's contract ???.
I can think of more important things to speak publicly about like why are we playing our home game against a Dome tenant at the Dome ::) and why do we continue to have to put up with poor stadia deals when we average crowds of 50k and are responsible for Foxtel's highest ratings. Where's our fair share of the money pie?
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You wouldn't expect or realistically hope that a side which is redeveloping would preform in the first few years of the process. In fact I would argue that TW first years success was detremental to the club but this was largely due to our senior players at the time fighting for their careers rather than our first year recruits performing.
TW asked for a 5 year contract because he knew it would at least take that long before the redeveloped list would begin to perform. This has as more to do with their age and stage of development than it does with TW coaching ability.
TW is a great game day coach, strategist and media manipulator. Building up talented personal to support him and 'fill in the gaps' is what every successful club does. It has just taken us this long to gain a strong administration, coach, support staff and now (fingers crossed) playing list.
Ever single part of the club needs to be working if we have any hope of succeeding.
Stripes
i love the bit u say tw asked for a 5 year contract because he knew it would take that long.
absolute crap. he asked for that purely and simply for the money and security. i think he underestimated how bad this list is/was, hence why his comments last year about the rfc list being a "train wreck"
funny i never heard him call our list a train wreck when he took over......
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You wouldn't expect or realistically hope that a side which is redeveloping would preform in the first few years of the process. In fact I would argue that TW first years success was detremental to the club but this was largely due to our senior players at the time fighting for their careers rather than our first year recruits performing.
TW asked for a 5 year contract because he knew it would at least take that long before the redeveloped list would begin to perform. This has as more to do with their age and stage of development than it does with TW coaching ability.
TW is a great game day coach, strategist and media manipulator. Building up talented personal to support him and 'fill in the gaps' is what every successful club does. It has just taken us this long to gain a strong administration, coach, support staff and now (fingers crossed) playing list.
Ever single part of the club needs to be working if we have any hope of succeeding.
Stripes
i love the bit u say tw asked for a 5 year contract because he knew it would take that long.
absolute crap. he asked for that purely and simply for the money and security. i think he underestimated how bad this list is/was, hence why his comments last year about the rfc list being a "train wreck"
funny i never heard him call our list a train wreck when he took over......
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I agree MT, March should have just put a sock in it and see what unfolded.
No need to back Wallace into 2009 at round 6 with only 2.5 wins on the board on the back of a wooden spoon.
We set our sights incredibly low at our football club IMO.
Wallace said it best last year. There are no guarantees about anything in professional football.
Yet it seems on the back of a handful of encouraging performances, March has basically given him one.
Very odd comments from the Prez.
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Facts are that we have had one win, a draw and a honourable loss in which we went inside 50 in a game 32 times, hardly huge inprovement.
But the spin doctoring out of punt road has continued.
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You wouldn't expect or realistically hope that a side which is redeveloping would preform in the first few years of the process. In fact I would argue that TW first years success was detremental to the club but this was largely due to our senior players at the time fighting for their careers rather than our first year recruits performing.
TW asked for a 5 year contract because he knew it would at least take that long before the redeveloped list would begin to perform. This has as more to do with their age and stage of development than it does with TW coaching ability.
TW is a great game day coach, strategist and media manipulator. Building up talented personal to support him and 'fill in the gaps' is what every successful club does. It has just taken us this long to gain a strong administration, coach, support staff and now (fingers crossed) playing list.
Ever single part of the club needs to be working if we have any hope of succeeding.
Stripes
i love the bit u say tw asked for a 5 year contract because he knew it would take that long.
absolute crap. he asked for that purely and simply for the money and security. i think he underestimated how bad this list is/was, hence why his comments last year about the rfc list being a "train wreck"
funny i never heard him call our list a train wreck when he took over......
Whether you believe it or not it was the reality. Who would even attempt to rebuild our club when we have the worst reputation in the league for 'eating our own' and sacking our coach at the first sign of failure.
As supporters, until recently (we at least most of us anyway :P), we have been impatient and demanded instant success or we have called for blood. No Richmond coach has dared to try and rebuild because they knew unless they claimed instant success they were gone. As such they traded away draft picks, recruited reharshed players and played senior players over youth and who could blame them. With a short contract if they attempted to rebuild or play the youth, they were never going to see the rewards.
TW was an experienced coach. He knew the culture he was potentially placing himself at the mercy of, was volatile and if he was going to rebuild and possibly see any benefits from it, then he was going to need an extended contract.
We forget that TW was a much sought after coach at the time becuase everyone in the the Football world knows he can coach. He can not (as my Dad would say) 'make strawberry jam out of horse manure' and has had to work and wait for his young list to develop. We are now only just seeing the start of this development.
So when I say TW asked for a longer contract because he knew the redevelopment process would take a long time I am speaking with evidence. Did he also ask for a long contract for extra security and money - of course but that goes hand in hand with the risk and threat to his reputation.
Let TW see out his contract and then judge becasue at the very least he has given us potential for sustained success and that is more than we have had at this ship-wreck of a club for generations.
Stripes
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But the spin doctoring out of punt road has continued.
And the negativity still continues here
First time in a couple of years there's something to feel positive about and this is all you can do?
Just so you can prove some miserable point that even if you were correct no-one will thank you for.
The club is moving on despite you, Jack :thumbsup
Wallow in your misery!
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will he wont he, just concentrate on winning the damn football matches, sorry March should have zipped the lips.
as for the other controversy you'll hit the dart board soon. :shh
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But the spin doctoring out of punt road has continued.
And the negativity still continues here
First time in a couple of years there's something to feel positive about and this is all you can do?
Just so you can prove some miserable point that even if you were correct no-one will thank you for.
The club is moving on despite you, Jack :thumbsup
Wallow in your misery!
You must be kidding. something positive, do tell, ?
Going inside F 50 32 times last weeks is hardly positive,
We have a long long way to go if yo havent noticed.
I am amazed that March has opened his mouth.
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You must be kidding. something positive, do tell, ?
Going inside F 50 32 times last weeks is hardly positive,
We have a long long way to go if yo havent noticed.
I am amazed that March has opened his mouth.
:banghead :banghead
I can see it ....
Nah in the last 3 weeks there's been nothing positive
We've played crapped, got belted and we are a basket case
There's nothin absolutely nuffin
Please give me a break
Seriously ::)
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Some say spin doctoring, I say good PR - HTF are we supposed to build the membership base if we are showing positive signs on the field but say nothing.
C'mon Jack ur smarter than that :wallywink
At he end of the day so far it is still only 2.5 wins, so work still to do ....
Said from the start Wallace had to have his 5 years, god knows he needed it, after the Collingwood game if we continued in that vein I was just about to swing :shh
So many false dawns, but I just see something different this time around. :gotigers
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You must be kidding. something positive, do tell, ?
Going inside F 50 32 times last weeks is hardly positive,
We have a long long way to go if yo havent noticed.
I am amazed that March has opened his mouth.
:banghead :banghead
I can see it ....
Nah in the last 3 weeks there's been nothing positive
We've played crapped, got belted and we are a basket case
There's nothin absolutely nuffin
Please give me a break
Seriously ::)
I will be brutually honest here.
If its wasnt for a handful of players, nothing has changed.
We have seen the following improvement. King,Tambling, Morton, Foley, Richardson. Johnson, -these players have been fantastic with there efforts.
Have seen no improvment out of Lids, Polak ::) Newman,Hyde,Tuck,Pattison
Players who have gone backwards, Jackson, Bowden , Pettifer, Tivendale, Connors,JON,Hughes,
Thats the thing with the RFC and supporters, win a game, get a draw,have an honourable loss( scoreboard wise) and everything is looking good. ::)
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Do an analysis of anyones list bar the cats and hawks atm and you will probably come up with the same type of thing.
Just look at the eagles a couple of players gone and what happens BAM.
Never said we have turned the corner yet but there is a bit of light at the end of the tunnel after the collingwood effort.
Just hope 'and don't think' it is a train .....
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I will be brutually honest here.
If its wasnt for a handful of players, nothing has changed.
We have seen the following improvement. King,Tambling, Morton, Foley, Richardson. Johnson, -these players have been fantastic with there efforts.
Have seen no improvment out of Lids, Polak ::) Newman,Hyde,Tuck,Pattison
Players who have gone backwards, Jackson, Bowden , Pettifer, Tivendale, Connors,JON,Hughes,
Thats the thing with the RFC and supporters, win a game, get a draw,have an honourable loss( scoreboard wise) and everything is looking good. ::)
No one is saying we are anywhere near good yet ::). There's still a long way to go but there's been a complete turnaround in attitude and application over past 3 weeks and it has been consistent irrespective of the score and (superior) class of the opponent. You can't argue with that.
How has Connors gone backwards? A bit hard to perform at your best with no preseason behind you ::).
Jack you criticize supporters yet you've overrated above a number of players by saying they have either gone backwards or shown no improvement.
Bowden is 30 and lost a yard of pace. He's on the downside of his career.
Tivs is Tivs and ageing also and was limited as a footballer anyway.
Petts - the game has changed and Petts as a non-defensive type didn't/can't adapt.
Hyde is a limited footballer.
Tuck is a limited footballer although he's getting the best out of himself under Wallace. Spud wouldn't play him.
I'm not sure how JON has gone backwards as we didn't think much of him as a footballer to begin with :wallywink.
Seriously Jack, supporters are just more confident they can go to games now and see the side which is still mostly young and inexperienced give a contest. I would add Thursty, Moore and even possibly Jack as improvers too.
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I will be brutally honest...
things are getting better.... are they right yet no but to think we can
In the last 3 weeks there have been improvements - there is still a helluva long way to go. But the fact that we stayed in the game last week against the Hawks for me showed improvement because kept fighting rather dropping heads and getting belted.
I don't think it would matter if we were 6-0 some people wouldn't be happy because it is easier not to be and serves a purpose to them and thats is to be critical. And that is being brutally honest
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I don't think it would matter if we were 6-0 some people wouldn't be happy because it is easier not to be and serves a purpose to them and thats is to be critical. And that is being brutally honest
And exactly right! :thumbsup
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the only reason we did not get more inside 50's v the hawks was because we struggled at first to work through their game plan, the now famous clrakos cluster.
but terry did tweek things on game day and the facts are, we didnt get inside 5o as often as we would like but every time we did, we looked damaging and scored. our inside 50 efficiency was better than the hawks, soi we must give some credit to our fwd coaches and structures.
if we beat the saints , and put in a good competive effort v the cats (regardless the result) we will make the 8 full stop.
our list is good enough and finally starting to gel
jack has said some players have not improved this yr, well in that case the cats are doomed as mostof their players have dropped on last yrs form lol
but players like lids will come good, its a matter of time and when he does , watch out. all he has to do is take the game on and believe in himself