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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: yellowandback on July 13, 2009, 08:41:35 PM
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And that sleeper is Richmond.
He said it 3 times and unusually was not probed as to why by either Gerald or Mike.
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A bit of a report would be great Y&B as our Foxtel has been cut off today and we won't have it reconnected until we move down next week... :thumbsup
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A bit of a report would be great Y&B as our Foxtel has been cut off today and we won't have it reconnected until we move down next week... :thumbsup
I won't bore you with the crap about renewing Mick Malthouse's contract at Collingwood or Eddie McGuire's unhealthy desire to keep Mick and Bucks.
But that was the topic being discussed and pretty much out of the blue Hird just says "Bucks should coach Richmond". Then more discussion about the contract and Bucks, then Hird says it again.
Then talk about Sheedy and Kangas and finally Hird again says the thread topic.
Each time, no query from Gerald and Mike so there is really not much more I can add.
A bit different to Robert Walls. Maybe the younger generation of ex-footballers can see something the blinded, old, beyond it losers cannot.
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A bit of a report would be great Y&B as our Foxtel has been cut off today and we won't have it reconnected until we move down next week... :thumbsup
I won't bore you with the crap about renewing Mick Malthouse's contract at Collingwood or Eddie McGuire's unhealthy desire to keep Mick and Bucks.
But that was the topic being discussed and pretty much out of the blue Hird just says "Bucks should coach Richmond". Then more discussion about the contract and Bucks, then Hird says it again.
Then talk about Sheedy and Kangas and finally Hird again says the thread topic.
Each time, no query from Gerald and Mike so there is really not much more I can add.
A bit different to Robert Walls. Maybe the younger generation of ex-footballers can see something the blinded, old, beyond it losers cannot.
Cheers mate, well lets hope Buckley is watching the show, I am starting to think that maybe Buckley wants to go out on his own at another club other than the Pies. I know he said that as an option he could go to the Pies as an assisstant under MM but I think he has the confidence to go out by himself straight up.
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Why doesnt Hird then put his hand up. If you like Buckley for the job, you'd want Hird for the same reasons!
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Hird should put his own hand up for the job. Would become a great coach in an era where younger players think alot differently to there predecessors.
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It was actually quite funny how 'matter of fact' the comment was - he just slipped it in to the discussion, no fanfare or big announcement. Made you think "that's what he really thinks". And Mike and Gerard never said a thing, just let it go through to the keeper.
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Let's hope the sleeper comes out of its coma.
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It was actually quite funny how 'matter of fact' the comment was - he just slipped it in to the discussion, no fanfare or big announcement. Made you think "that's what he really thinks". And Mike and Gerard never said a thing, just let it go through to the keeper.
It was unbelievable. Almost like it wasn't part of the script so they chose to ignore it
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A bit of a report would be great Y&B as our Foxtel has been cut off today and we won't have it reconnected until we move down next week... :thumbsup
I won't bore you with the crap about renewing Mick Malthouse's contract at Collingwood or Eddie McGuire's unhealthy desire to keep Mick and Bucks.
But that was the topic being discussed and pretty much out of the blue Hird just says "Bucks should coach Richmond". Then more discussion about the contract and Bucks, then Hird says it again.
Then talk about Sheedy and Kangas and finally Hird again says the thread topic.
Each time, no query from Gerald and Mike so there is really not much more I can add.
A bit different to Robert Walls. Maybe the younger generation of ex-footballers can see something the blinded, old, beyond it losers cannot.
Cheers mate, well lets hope Buckley is watching the show, I am starting to think that maybe Buckley wants to go out on his own at another club other than the Pies. I know he said that as an option he could go to the Pies as an assisstant under MM but I think he has the confidence to go out by himself straight up.
forget it MOVE ON.
Just like this romance that Tommy Hawkins will be up for grabs end of season it aint gonna happen.
HE AINT GOT THE GONADS FOR OUR JOB. I WISH I WERE WRONG BUT I AM NOT, IN FACT IM JUST ABOUT SURE OF IT.
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Bucks is just waiting for an assistant coaches role to pop up and he will welcome it with open arms.
All other assistant coach know it may be their last chance but bucks knows if it aint Tigers or North then it will be someone else.
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Well Daniel I will remain a little more pessimistic than you, if Buckley goes through the process, proves he fits our club and is selected and agrees to the role I will welcome him in. I hope it happens!!!!
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Hird would be a better coach than Buckley hands down.
Buckley has showed no interest in coaching Richmond, so bugger off.
If Hird was to say he would coach Richmond we should grab him. The tigers need to find out his future plans.
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Hird would be a better coach than Buckley hands down.
Buckley has showed no interest in coaching Richmond, so bugger off.
If Hird was to say he would coach Richmond we should grab him. The tigers need to find out his future plans.
not so sure about ur points
i rated hird a better player than bux, but i reckon based on their special comments, that buckley is way in front of hird as a coach
and what makes you think buckley dosnt want our job, same say he already has it
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Could there be a Buckley Hird tag team as coach????
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Could there be a Buckley Hird tag team as coach????
Gracie, don't make it any more harder than it already is mate... :thumbsup
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I would take Hird over Buckley anyday. The fact that he is an extremely successful businessman, comments for the media yet still remains objective gives him a far broader and meaningful coaching skill set to Buckley. Bucks has made special comments, coached some underage kids and taken a few trips overseas - this doesn't compare.
Hird is not interested in coaching but that is our loss and Buckley's gain (at least at North :P)
Stripes
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Hird and Buckley tag team. What are you tripping!
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I would take Hird over Buckley anyday. The fact that he is an extremely successful businessman, comments for the media yet still remains objective gives him a far broader and meaningful coaching skill set to Buckley. Bucks has made special comments, coached some underage kids and taken a few trips overseas - this doesn't compare.
Hird is not interested in coaching but that is our loss and Buckley's gain (at least at North :P)
Stripes
I disagree, but I guess we'll never know
Hird just yells Tim Watson MkII to me, except Watson actually wanted to coach. Hird's never shown any desire for coaching in fact he's distanced himself from it as much as possible. He's a bloody smart guy, but I just don't think he has the fire in the belly for it. He's won his premierships, has a successful business life outside of football, a few newspaper articles and special comments aside, he just doesn't seem like having the personality required to need a fulltime career in football, especially coaching an AFL side.
Very few superstar players are able to become great coaches. Successful players definitely, but not superstars. Leight Matthews is arguably the greatest player in the game, but I wouldn't say that was based off natural ability, more hard work. This remains a question mark over Buckley too, however his lack of premierships as a player makes me think the drive to get one as a coach would be massive. Regardless, I still wouldn't have him as #1 candidate on my list.
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Bucks strikes me as more of a traditional hard edged coach 'type' than Jimmy.
However Paul Roos ain't your typical coach type and he's worked wonders with Sydney.
Reckon the best ones can strike a balance between serious and still connecting with their players.
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If we could get buckley I'd take it. He'd put our boys into line pretty quick. He's young, he's driven, you know he is going to work his ass off. He'll take no prisoners.
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Nathan Buckley should take punt on Tigers - James Hird
James Hird | July 14, 2009 11:37pm
NATHAN Buckley should coach Richmond next year.
Richmond Football Club is the biggest sleeper in Australian sport. It's been 29 years since Richmond won its last premiership. That was 1980. The flag was Richmond's fifth in 14 years.
The man who brings glory back to this club will have an exalted place in history.
Mick Malthouse looks highly likely to continue as Collingwood coach next year.
Blog with James Hird at www.superfooty.com.au from 2-3pm today
Nathan Buckley as the head of Collingwood is a romantic notion, but even if Bucks had the chance to return to the Pies as senior coach, he would be finishing someone else's work.
For a competitive animal such as Buckley, the lure of starting with a fresh canvas at the most difficult club of all should be difficult to resist.
Related LinksBlog: Robbo discusses the coaching dilemmas
James Hird live: Blog with Hirdy from 2-3pm today
Richmond has the potential to be a true powerhouse.
It has a fan base almost equal to the traditional big three Melbourne clubs (Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon) and in terms of passion, the yellow and black supporters are second to none.
These fans have massive expectations and the past lack of success has left them salivating at any sign of hope.
There's nothing new in any of this. Exactly the same carrot - leading the terrible Tigers out of the wilderness back to their glory days of the '60s and '70s - lured Terry Wallace to Punt Rd five years ago.
Truth is there have been plenty of false dawns during the past 30 years, sadly based more on passion than reality.
Nathan Buckley can change this. How is the big question.
Obviously he brings vast footy knowledge, tactical smarts, man-management qualities and a palpable passion for the game to the table. Perhaps less obvious and measurable is his presence. It's there in spades.
I first met Nathan when we were schoolboys playing football in Canberra.
He was far and away the best player in the team, and it was obvious to everyone he had a career in football ahead of him. His passion and intensity for the game set him apart.
As rivals for many years, I have watched him up close and from a distance.
"I have no doubt Nathan Buckley will bring an aura to a club that few can deliver. When Bucks speaks, people listen.
There is an historical precedence to Buckley and Richmond.
For fear of mentioning Kevin Sheedy and Richmond in the same breath, there is a lot to learn from his 27 years at Essendon.
Sheeds took over at Windy Hill when the Bombers were struggling.
Essendon had slipped to a middle-of-the-road club who had not tasted premiership success for 15 years.
Kevin's approach was to take no prisoners, work the players like they had never been worked and mobilise the board to support him.
Bucks, like Kevin, is his own man. From all reports he is a good listener but when it comes time to make a decision there is no doubt who has made it.
Buckley would bring innovative and clear thinking to Richmond. He would have no worries telling those in the office and out on the field what needed to be done.
As well qualified as Nathan is to coach the Tigers, it is Buckley who would benefit the most from the marriage.
Success at the Tigers would be like success at no other club. If Buckley was to bring home premiership No. 11 to Punt Rd his place in football history would have an extra dimension.
Given that coaches have been trying for 30 years to get this once-powerful club off the canvas, success at Richmond would stamp his greatness.
I don't underestimate the challenge. It is a job that has gobbled up Wallace, Robert Walls, John Northey and Danny Frawley. Surely it was not their fault alone that success did not come.
From the outside, Richmond looks more stable at board and management level. It's playing list needs some hard cuts, but has potential.
If Buckley can gain assurances that he will get the time and support he needs, the chance to coach Richmond is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that he should not pass up.
Blog with James Hird at www.superfooty.com.au from 2-3pm today
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25784552-19742,00.html
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Hird understands the whole scenario at Richmond. Its a shame he himself isnt a candidate.
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A magnificent piece.
I'm backing Buckley to pick Richmond, as I've said all along: The challenge that is the Richmond FC is simply to big to deny. As Hird said if he is to succeed he will be exalted forever.
I hope Nathan gets the job.
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Yes Hird a great article, I have been a supporter of Bucks since the coaching merry go round started, well come to think of it I have been supportive of just about every name thrown up... ;)
Anyway, you cannot deny the talk within the football community, media and supporters of just how good Buckly is and what he could be and bring to to uor club. I really hope that once the process has been followed Nathan Buckley is the man standing in front of the Jack Dyer statue having his picture taken.
The one thing that I keep hearing about Buckley other than his football smarts and player admiration is; he will not put up with crap off the players, he will go in there and clean the place out of the dead wood he has been commentating on over the past season and he will get the respect of the remaining players or they will feel his rath.
VOTE NO. 1 FOR BUCKLEY AS THE NEXT RFC COACH, I am officially on your wagon Bucks.... :pray :bow :clapping
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3aw brought up for the conspiracy theorists out there that Hird works for the same company as Ben Crowe who is chairman of the RFC's preliminary selection panel.
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Here's a transcript of Hirdy's live chat
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25785424-19742,00.html
* It is hard to say where the coaching jobs will fall, but i think Richmond is a very good chance [to get Buckley]
* I do not think that it is about doing an apprentiship, it is about how prepared someone is to take on the role put in front of them. Bucks in my opinion has been preparing his whole life to be a coach. An assistant role for some is necessary but in Nathan's case i belive from a distance that he is ready. Only time will tell if he is ready to coach or not.
* there is a risk that you could fail at the job and not recover, but that is why i like Nathan as the coach. He is a tough competitor, who will not allow himself to fail or be destroyed by the culture.
* It is not just the role of the coach to make cultural changes but the board and executive as well. This looks like it is happening at Richmond.
* I do believe that there is room at Richmond for Richo and Cousins. Ben has shown some real form of late and in my opinion was always going to be better in 2010 than he was in 2009.
* No I do not think the game has past Sheeds. He is a passionate football person and whould offer a club a lot if they appointed him as senior coach.
* Richmond has a lot of options, and from my understanding the process is going very well.
* Jade has done a very good job to date. He has the Tigers playing a confident brand of football and with a bit of luck could have beaten the blues on Saturday. I don't think he is the favorite but you never know what can happen if he does well in the next 7 weeks.
[Comment From Tania]
James, don't forget to pick up some milk on the way home honey.
Thanks Darl, do we need bread as well. ;D
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Funny game footy
The Richmond supporters use to hate Buckleys guts, Hird just as bad.
Its like a person who is dying and reaches out for religion.
The Richmond supporters reaching out for Bucks as there savior .
For what its worth , would love to see him at Punt Road. :gotigers
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Funny game footy
The Richmond supporters use to hate Buckleys guts, Hird just as bad.
Its like a person who is dying and reaches out for religion.
The Richmond supporters reaching out for Bucks as there savior .
For what its worth , would love to see him at Punt Road. :gotigers
I cant recall anyone I know saying they hated Hird , he's never been that love him or hate him wayne carey type...nup, wrong tram there partner :shh
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Funny game footy
The Richmond supporters use to hate Buckleys guts, Hird just as bad.
Its like a person who is dying and reaches out for religion.
The Richmond supporters reaching out for Bucks as there savior .
For what its worth , would love to see him at Punt Road. :gotigers
I cant recall anyone I know saying they hated Hird , he's never been that love him or hate him wayne carey type...nup, wrong tram there partner :shh
I hated him. And for the same reason I hated Craig Bradley
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well the challenge is there if he wants it.
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I hated him. And for the same reason I hated Craig Bradley
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Me too in fact I hated most of Carlton with during that era
Bradley, Kernahan, Fraser Brown, Adrian Gleeson, Brett Ratten, Greg Williams, always came in for special treatment. Will always hate the Blues.