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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 02, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
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Moving onto the Pies game...
Collingwood are getting Micky Malthouse to do a lap of the ground before the game. If we beat them they might beg him to come back ;D.
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Mick will probably be barracking for us lol.
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Its nice to see everyone's in high spirits.
Theyre coming off a loss, as are we but I think they'll get the upper hand this week.
They will also get their skipper back this week.
If we dish up anything like last week then 70 point loss is on the cards
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Mick will probably be barracking for us lol.
that would be a first ::)
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I'll be away and as far as I'm concerned we have a bye this weekend. >:(
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The wearing of moccasins barred by the MCG so it'll be only Richmond supporters allowed in on Saturday night :lol
(http://images.theage.com.au/2012/04/02/3182516/0402jh_mcc_wide-420x0.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-fright-as-g-dresscode-sign-startles-footy-fans-20120402-1w7n7.html
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stuff it-No Gum Boots - LMAO
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:lol
now i've heard it all.
no tracksuit pants or t-shirts but we stand by while a group of drunks beat up on a family.
tossers
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stuff it-No Gum Boots - LMAO
Must be for Melbourne supporters the week after who wear gumboots over their shoes to and from the gate so they don't dirty the carpet of their range rovers ;D.
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oh dear this could be frightful with MM getting
his send off.
mental toughness is not 2 words that could best describe
RFC players.
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stuff it-No Gum Boots - LMAO
Not going anymore then. stuff them.
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Me and old man not going this week either. He not happy about no slippers and I am not happy about not being able to bring my tennis gear :banghead
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Rather than focus on the magnitude of this "expected loss" I am more interested in seeing how the team approaches this game on the field.
Last year we were pillaged by the umps early yet we responded with a huge third quarter.
I would love to see something similar and much more prolonged this week. :thumbsup
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doesnt say anything about leotards, so you should be right son.
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doesnt say anything about leotards, so you should be right son.
you're the one that kicked up a fuss when they said no slippers. goose
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you sure about that pig man?
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MCG site 'only' expecting a crowd of 65,000. If both sides had won last week it would be pushing 90k instead.
http://www.mcg.org.au/Events/Upcoming%20Events/Event%20Details.aspx?eid=52cfc63a-3517-465a-a2bc-815133006309
Gate opening:
Public/AFL members: 5.30pm
MCC members: 5.00pm
General admission areas:
Ponsford Stand
Bays Q31 - Q36 rows AA - MM
Olympic Stand
Bays Q49 - Q57
Great Southern Stand
Q1 - Q15
Cheersquad locations:
Collingwood - M33, rows A-S
Richmond - M3, rows A-T
Car park opening:
Gate 3: 1.00pm
Gate 5: 4.00pm
Gate 6: 4.00pm
Gate 7: 2.00pm (media, corporate and disabled pass holders only)
Expected attendance: 65,000
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Got reserved tix on Sunday.M4 Go Tiges
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Got reserved seats in N1 Souther Stand
And let's see MCC predicted 72k last week and we got 79k
So this week they are predicting 65k so that means it will be around 70-72k ;D
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M50 for us
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Ill be there.
Will be using some anti-bogan repellent to ensure the scum don't get to close
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Ill be there.
Will be using some anti-bogan repellent to ensure the scum don't get to close
soap?
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Maggot spray.. Cough cough.. Sorry I meant aeroguard
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Got reserved seats in N1 Souther Stand
And let's see MCC predicted 72k last week and we got 79k
So this week they are predicting 65k so that means it will be around 70-72k ;D
Give you a wave.
A few others are sitting in N1 I beleive :shh :thumbsup
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MCC - No cammo pants
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Give you a wave.
Like last week :thumbsup
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Agree with a previous poster, dish up the crap like last week and we are going to get smashed.
Collingwood are much better than the scum, I don't buy into the injury factor with the Pies, they are still very strong and very good.
We will need to be deadly by foot and hand to win this, Martin, Riewoldt, the forward line, Nahas and a few others must stand up!
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Agree with a previous poster, dish up the crap like last week and we are going to get smashed.
Collingwood are much better than the scum, I don't buy into the injury factor with the Pies, they are still very strong and very good.
We will need to be deadly by foot and hand to win this, Martin, Riewoldt, the forward line, Nahas and a few others must stand up!
Scary thing is they were one of the youngest sides in the comp out on the park last week, right there with GWS, GC and us and they still took it right up to the Hawks. Tarrant is back this week and maybe maxwell, hell, even without them we wont get within 10 goals of them if they play at the breakneck speed they showed against the hawks.
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I hope Dimma is watching 360 again. Last night Eade said that the Hawks got through their press before it was even set by employing speed to run through it. Just now Sewell confirmed that's how they dealt with the press. While there is a big difference between us and Hawthorn, we've just been handed a cheat sheet and I hope I don't see Newy standing around scratching his balls while everyone is flat footed and picking their nose during kick ins or rebounding.
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Agree with a previous poster, dish up the crap like last week and we are going to get smashed.
Collingwood are much better than the scum, I don't buy into the injury factor with the Pies, they are still very strong and very good.
We will need to be deadly by foot and hand to win this, Martin, Riewoldt, the forward line, Nahas and a few others must stand up!
Scary thing is they were one of the youngest sides in the comp out on the park last week, right there with GWS, GC and us and they still took it right up to the Hawks. Tarrant is back this week and maybe maxwell, hell, even without them we wont get within 10 goals of them if they play at the breakneck speed they showed against the hawks.
Dead right and it is scary, oh well it's up to the players, they have to show more than last week. Surely we couldn't dish that poo up two weeks in a row.... :-\
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by what measure were colonwood one of the youngest in the comp last week?
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I'd say Jolly and Ball are their oldest players al just off the top of my head.
They did have four first gamers.
Add Fasolo who is a second year player.
Thomas, Pendlebury would be 23-24 also.
Not exactly old overall but the team they had out on the park on Friday was quite young.
I'll take Tony's word on face value. :thumbsup
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wasnt suggesting he was wrong, just curious as to whether it was based on average age or games played, or number of players in certain bracket etc.
averages, for instance, can be misleading in these things.
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by what measure were colonwood one of the youngest in the comp last week?
Average age they were younger than us but their median age was higher. Experience wise Richmond had the 3rd least experienced side during round 1 by far (only GWS and GC's sides not surprisingly had played less games combined)
Average Age and total games - Round 1, 2012.
St Kilda 26y 260d
Geelong 26y 28d
Hawthorn 25y 96d
Adelaide 25y 32d
Fremantle 25y 28d
West Coast 25y 27d
Essendon 24y 344d
Carlton 24y 298d
Sydney 24y 292d
W.Bulldogs 24y 255d
North Melb. 24y 178d
Melbourne 24y 165d
Brisbane 24y 130d
Port Adel. 24y 12d
Richmond 23y 317d
Collingwood 23y 186d
Gold Coast 22y 162d
GWS 21y 109d
Richmond's median age is less than Collingwood's though. Looking at the 11th oldest player we have Shaun Grigg (23y 322d) and Dale Thomas (24y 283d).
Under22 Over23
Collingwood 9 11
Richmond 7 8
St Kilda 2688 games
Geelong 2298
West Coast 2199
Sydney 2080
Carlton 2062
Hawthorn 2057
Essendon 2018
Fremantle 1870
W.Bulldogs 1833
Adelaide 1830
North melb. 1769
Collingwood 1697
Port Adel. 1659
Brisbane 1651
Melbourne 1641
Richmond 1557
Gold Coast 1009
GWS 643
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Jeez look at St.Kilda.
They are shiggered.
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AFL site is tipping the Pies by 32 points.
Preview: Collingwood v Richmond
By Jennifer Witham and Paul Daffey
afl.com.au
Tue 03 Apr, 2012
WHERE AND WHEN: MCG, Saturday April 7, 7.40pm
LAST TIME: Collingwood 24.17 (161) d Richmond 13.12 (90), round four, 2011, at the MCG
Both clubs will be looking to rebound after round-one losses. The Magpies fell away in the final quarter against Hawthorn on Friday evening and lost by 22 points, and the Tigers dropped off the pace against Carlton and went down by 44 the night before. Richmond has not beaten Collingwood since round 19, 2007, with the Magpies on a four-match winning streak.
Collingwood
1. The Pies were horribly inaccurate against Hawthorn early on, with Travis Cloke, Chris Dawes, Darren Jolly and Alex Fasolo contributing to the 2.7 score at the first break. After one game there's no reason to panic, but it did allow the Hawks to remain in the game despite the Pies' midfield dominance and will be something Nathan Buckley won't be keen to see repeated.
2. Dawes will play his 50th AFL game this week. His career started after arriving at Collingwood in the wake a knee reconstruction in his final year of under-18s, and he didn't reach the milestone last year because of a broken knuckle. It will be interesting to see where he plays this week after former coach Mick Malthouse cast doubt on his ability to fill a part-time role in the ruck. If Cameron Wood comes in after playing VFL last week, it's likely Dawes will remain closer to goal.
3. How many regular Pies will return? Chris Tarrant, Dayne Beams, Ben Johnson and Wood all played in the VFL on the weekend and got through without incident after injury-plagued pre-seasons, while Alan Didak didn't appear anywhere but trained strongly last week and appeared on the verge of playing. Then there's Nick Maxwell, whose commitment to mending his injured ankle has been well documented. According to Dale Thomas, he's closer to playing this week than he was against the Hawks.
4. Speaking of Thomas, he's one of a few senior players who will be looking to make more of an impression this week. The usually flashy midfielder was very quiet against the Hawks, with just one possession in the first quarter and only five in the second to end with 19 and two goals. Harry O'Brien was also down on form and appeared rattled after half-time following opponent Cyril Rioli's second quarter that will be talked about for the rest of the year.
Richmond
1. The Tigers have two big questions confronting them regarding the Collingwood team. The first is who to play on Cloke. Jayden Post has played at centre half-back during the pre-season and against Carlton in round one but he is a project player and his form doesn't inspire confidence that he could handle Cloke. The most likely choice is Alex Rance, who has the mobility and strength to match the Collingwood star. Rance might, however, feel a bit lost away from the comfort of the last line of defence.
2. The second is who to play on Scott Pendlebury after the uncanny midfielder's brilliant performance against Hawthorn in round one. The most likely candidate is Daniel Jackson, who usually gets the main tagging role. A choice out of left field might be Jake King, who could be told to ignore his own game and harass Pendlebury at every turn. Then there's Dane Swan ….
3. Since arriving from Essendon before the 2011 season, Bachar Houli has given consistent, no-fuss performances that made him one of the first picked in the team. His kicking and running link play from half-back have been especially impressive. Houli this week plays his 50th AFL game. He played 26 games with Essendon before playing every match with the Tiger last season and then the first game this season against Carlton.
4. Tyrone Vickery had two kicks and one handball against Carlton and took one mark. Surely, he must improve this week against Collingwood, especially given the Magpies' problems with their undermanned defence. Vickery finished fifth in Richmond's best and fairest last season. This week he must show why.
AFL.com.au prediction: Collingwood by 32 points
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132203/default.aspx
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AFL.com.au prediction: Collingwood by 32 points
That's rather flattering.
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Am i the only one who thinks we can win?
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Am i the only one who thinks we can win?
I reckon there would be more that think so than attend a Demons game
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2009/04/26/MCG_wideweb__470x260,0.jpg)
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Am i the only one who thinks we can win?
So in my No Excuses thread you questioned me; did I really think we are a better team than the Blues........now all of a sudden we can beat the Pies, are you for real?????
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Collingwood veterans Chris Tarrant and Alan Didak trained on Wednesday and are rated a chance to face Richmond on Saturday night, but captain Nick Maxwell will wait another week.
Tarrant, who has been slowed by a foot injury, played in the VFL along with Ben Johnson, Dayne Beams and Cameron Wood last weekend against Geelong. The quartet could all be considered to face the Tigers at the MCG.
Full article at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132308/default.aspx
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Less hype, same desire for Foley
By Paul Daffey
afl.com.au
Wed 04 Apr, 2012
IF RICHMOND was worried about the hype before last week's opening-round match against Carlton, it seems it has little to worry about this week.
It’s as if someone emptied the well of expectations after the 44-point loss to the Blues. All the talk of the Tigers aiming for their first finals appearance in a decade is gone.
Richmond midfielder Nathan Foley faced a desultory half-dozen journalists at Wednesday's press conference at Victoria Park.
A gentle breeze floated past the old grandstands as he batted back a few questions about last week's loss and this Saturday night's game against another premiership chance in Collingwood, again at the MCG.
"It was a disappointing result against Carlton," he said. "We didn't get to play the game on our terms at all, with the exception of a patch in the third quarter.
"It'll be good to get out there on Saturday night and try to put in place what we want to do."
The Tigers this week welcome back Jake King from suspension. And apart from three on the long-term injury list — Kelvin Moore (hip), David Astbury (knee) and Brad Helbig (foot) — they have a full list to choose from.
Foley said he and his teammates had been hugely impressed with Scott Pendlebury's game at the weekend. Pendlebury dragged Collingwood within sight of victory before Hawthorn surged to win by 22 points.
"He was sensational," Foley said. "In the air, on the ground, he was just winning the footy. He's one of the elite players in the comp."
But the Richmond midfielder was unable to shed any light on who might be assigned to counter the Collingwood star.
"Gone are the days of the complete lockdown roles. You need everyone playing a form of team defence and playing offensively as well," he said.
Foley added that unspecified measures would be in place to curb power forwards Travis Cloke and Chris Dawes. And the ploy of playing Jack Riewoldt upfield was working well.
But given the restraints of these affairs there was little else to say. Only if the Tigers knock off the Pies will the urgency over Richmond's season return.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132320/default.aspx
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Am i the only one who thinks we can win?
If we do it will be a win for the ages. Here's hoping!
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David King :wallywink on 360 said this might be a scare game for Collingwood with their weakness being our strength. That's with Collingwood having key defenders out, including Maxwell ruling himself out today. McClure took his standard fervent anti-Richmond stance by stating that our defense won't hold their forwards either, which followed with smirks all round. Unfortunately it's pretty true. People played up our forwards having it over Carlton's undermanned defense too. Look how that turned out.
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Smirks all round eh??
Who is on this show?
Which city do they produce it in?
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Unfortunately it's pretty true.
Yep No point whinging about people taking the pee out of us. We are an easy target until actions do the talking.
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Am i the only one who thinks we can win?
So in my No Excuses thread you questioned me; did I really think we are a better team than the Blues........now all of a sudden we can beat the Pies, are you for real?????
WAT old sport, i dont wanna get into a humbug here. This whole no excuses thing is tiresome. My view is that we 'can' win this game, like we could have won last week. We probably wont, because like Carlton, Collingwood have superior class and experience at this stage. But I do think we are a chance if things roll our way and we get our tails up.
My point in the other thread was that though i was disappointed with last week's result, it was probably an accurate reflection of where the two clubs are at. They are top four material. We aint.
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Am i the only one who thinks we can win?
So in my No Excuses thread you questioned me; did I really think we are a better team than the Blues........now all of a sudden we can beat the Pies, are you for real?????
WAT old sport, i dont wanna get into a humbug here. This whole no excuses thing is tiresome. My view is that we 'can' win this game, like we could have won last week. We probably wont, because like Carlton, Collingwood have superior class and experience at this stage. But I do think we are a chance if things roll our way and we get our tails up.
My point in the other thread was that though i was disappointed with last week's result, it was probably an accurate reflection of where the two clubs are at. They are top four material. We aint.
No, fair enough mate, but see I just don't rate the Blues, I don't even think they are a top 4 side, but they jagged it last year.
I rate the Pies a hell of a lot more, yes IMHO we should of won last week, as you say, but the Pies......as I have said, play with the skills like we did against the Cats in the NAB, we will win, play like last week... :P
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Yeah, we certainly didn't play well last week, but in saying that we were still in it right up until the last 10 minutes.
If our good players fire this week we might give the wobbles a run. But, your right we will need to sharpen up significantly.
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i agree, have a feeling about this week, we are not expected to win so pressure is off but the players will be very hungry ,, we had 2 or three good players last week and beat ourselves, i just have a feeling we may just upset these skunks
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I hope for our sake we are at least competitive. Last week we played about 2 and bit decent quarters. Our 2nd quarter and last half of the final quarter were abysmal. We need to do far better than that to beat the Pies. They are another hard gut running side which is the area we struggled to consistently maintain last week.
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The wearing of moccasins barred by the MCG so it'll be only Richmond supporters allowed in on Saturday night :lol
(http://images.theage.com.au/2012/04/02/3182516/0402jh_mcc_wide-420x0.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-fright-as-g-dresscode-sign-startles-footy-fans-20120402-1w7n7.html
Geez I hope they allow scuffs with long socks. I have just bought the complete range of Damir Dokic outerwear for winter 2012.
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Hopefully some of our supporters do some counter pr by producing a couple of magpie banners saying "Bring Back Mick" ;D
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Tigers unmoved after loss
By Paul Daffey
afl.com.au
Thu 05 Apr, 2012
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says the club is preparing for its battle against Collingwood at the MCG on Saturday night in just the fashion it prepared for last week's season-opener against Carlton.
There was enormous hype surrounding Richmond last week amid anticipation that the Tigers could topple a premiership fancy with injury problems.
There was even talk of Richmond making the finals if they could get over Carlton, only for the Blues to clear away and win by 44 points.
There's been much less hype leading into this match against last year's runner-up. There's even a flatness about the build-up.
Hardwick, however, said that inside the club the preparation has been just the same.
"This is AFL footy. There's always going to be hype," Hardwick said.
"Inside the club I thought we handled last week's hype OK. We just didn't play the way we wanted to play."
Jake King is available this week after returning from suspension. Without saying whether King would be brought straight into the team, Hardwick said the feisty small forward was a barometer because of his competitiveness.
"If a scrap of food dropped on to the floor, he'd compete for it," he said.
The player most under the microscope after last week's loss is tall forward Tyrone Vickery, who had two kicks and one handball and took one mark against Carlton.
Vickery has been working especially hard at training this week at leading out and doubling back in an attempt to shake his opponent.
Hardwick is keen to see an improvement. "He (Vickery) played as poorly as I've seen him play last week."
He added lightly: "It would have been good if he took a bloody mark!"
Apart from long-termers Kelvin Moore (hip) and David Astbury (knee), half-back Brad Helbig is the Tigers' only injury concern after damaging a foot playing for the Coburg Tigers last weekend.
Helbig is out for eight matches.
Hardwick was reluctant to reveal any plans for Collingwood opponents other than to say his team would work hard to contain key forwards Travis Cloke and Chris Dawes, and there would be players rotated on and off key midfielders Dane Swan and Scott Pendlebury.
Pendlebury was superb during Collingwood's 22-point loss to Hawthorn last weekend. He had 33 disposals and took five marks and almost dragged the Magpies to victory, only for the Hawks to surge late.
Hardwick said Pendlebury's hands are as good as he's seen. "We'll try to put some body checks on him."
He said news that Magpies captain Nick Maxwell would miss the match could only be good for the Tigers. "Any time a good opposition player is not in the team is a bonus."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132372/default.aspx
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Mmmm, little bit negative, or actually defensive talk towards the end of that interview, talking about stopping forwards, rotating plyers off and on Pends and Swan, Nick Maxwell not being in is a bonus.....
Would rather him speak about playing attacking football, getting their skill level up, no turnovers etc.....
Gee Damien do you want to win or are you making excuses now... :lol........I know you want it!!!!!
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Dimma can't give everything away.
Need to keep something close to our chests.
I would love to see Deledio on Pendlebury.
Would love to see Dimma challenge Lids like he did with his game on Goddard.
That move almost single handedly changed the game last year.
We are going to have our hands full with Cloke and Dawes.
Challenge the mids to go one on one with theirs.
I want to see something proactive not reactive.
Who knows we may pressure them into errors and stay in the game.
If ultimately we are to go down would rather go down doing something than merely just playing a
standard predictable structure.
Horses for courses.
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Well I hope we give a better showing against the Pies than the Lions are giving against the Scum.....3/4 time, Scum by 57.....and I don't rate them.... :whistle ::)
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scum are quality. Unfortunately. :-[
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Roar Preview: Round 2 with Richo, Danny Daly
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/437524/default.aspx
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scum are quality. Unfortunately. :-[
Mmm, well as long as they don't win a GF while Judd is there..they don't deserve it, stuff I hate them..
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Carlton = filth
Collingwood = scums
Essendon = bums
Rate them or not the filth will be top 4 this year.
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Hardwick laments big-stage meltdown
Matt Murnane
April 6, 2012
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says his team handled the build-up to round one, but not the occasion, and admits the Tigers can't afford another big-stage meltdown against Collingwood tomorrow night.
Although the 44-point margin against Carlton did not do the Tigers' hunger and defensive effort justice, Hardwick conceded his team failed to execute and lacked composure in front of the big crowd when it came time to score.
The Tigers were the worst team in round one for kicking efficiency in the ''attacking-midfield'' section of the ground, finding their target only 53 per cent of the time, compared with the league average of 66 per cent.
Richmond's ball use and decision-making helped the club flourish through an impressive NAB Cup campaign, but taking on the Blues in front of 75,000 fans at the MCG proved a tougher proposition, and Hardwick's men face a similar challenge tomorrow night.
''The hype was there last week, no doubt, from an outside perception,'' he said. ''Inside we felt as though we handled it OK, but probably didn't on the night play how we wanted to play. Our offence killed our defence.
''The way we moved the ball, the way we controlled the ball, was nothing like we'd worked on over the course of the summer or played with during the NAB Cup.
''So we will be looking to rectify that and hopefully the game changes as a result.''
How they move the ball forward is one thing Hardwick knows the Tigers must get right if they are to prove themselves worthy contenders against the league's powerhouse teams.
Richmond lost every game it played against the top five teams last year.
''It was a thing we probably didn't cope overly well with last year,'' Hardwick said.
''The top four to six sides, I think we generally went down by about 10 goals, so that's something we're looking to rectify.''
The Tigers were competitive for most of last week's season opener against the Blues and could have been within a kick had Dustin Martin nailed a gettable set shot in the final term.
But from that point on, the Tigers ''went to sleep'' and lost the contested possession count 19 to four.
As well as the contested ball, keeping emotions in check will be paramount tomorrow night, and it's why Hardwick made a special point of talking to small forward Jake King, who has a history of run-ins with the Pies.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hardwick-laments-bigstage-meltdown-20120405-1wfk8.html#ixzz1rBVDtg8g
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Damien Hardwick says Tigers can beat Collingwood
Eliza Sewell
From:Herald Sun
April 06, 2012
DAMIEN Hardwick has "no doubt" Richmond can beat Collingwood at the MCG tomorrow night, but he knows the Tigers must tick off a long list of "things to do" before that happens.
The Tigers were disappointing in their 44-point Round 1 loss to Carlton, but Hardwick hoped his side could turn it around against the Pies, who are again without captain Nick Maxwell.
"No doubt (we can win)," a confident Hardwick said.
"Even at stages last year - we played them Round 4, I think it was, last year - and we had a seven-goal quarter against them. We were well and truly in the game, I think, at three-quarter time. We were down by three goals, maybe four.
"They managed to overrun us in the end (by 71 points), but we've got no doubt we can compete at the level required."
That Richmond to-do list includes: winning the contested ball, slowing the game down, Tyrone Vickery taking a "bloody mark", and stopping Travis Cloke, Chris Dawes, Scott Pendlebury and Dane Swan.
"We've got to curtail Cloke and Dawes; they're two really good players ... and their midfield, Pendlebury, Swan, theses type of players, are guys who our guys will look up to, so it's an enormous challenge for them to try and beat those guys," he said.
Hardwick said his Tigers would get physical with Pendlebury and Swan.
"It is very hard to tag those guys one out these days. With 130 rotations, you're struggling to contain those players. There'll be various players go through them at stages throughout the night," he said.
"They're on the move very well, (Darren) Jolly's a very good ruckman. They're on the move, so we'll look to try and, like most sides, body check them as much as we can.
''But Pendlebury's hands are elite, they're probably one of the best in the competition. He can manage to go through on the fly, then grab that ball on the way through. Look, he's a tough opponent, but we'll certainly look at something."
Hardwick said his key-position defenders were young and inexperienced, but he had faith Dylan Grimes and Alex Rance could do the job on Cloke and Dawes.
Vickery had a shocker last week, but the coach backed his tall.
"He was disappointing," Hardwick said. "He probably had his hands on five or six balls. They just didn't drop."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/damien-hardwick-says-tigers-can-beat-collingwood/story-e6frf9jf-1226319745572
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The view from the other side....
Preview: Magpies v Tigers
By David Natoli
collingwoodfc.com.au
Thu 05 Apr, 2012
The 2012 season is shaping up to be a very competitive and open race, with a number of teams improving drastically over the preseason. To add to the drama, both of last year’s Grand Final sides lost their round one games and sit outside the top eight.
The round two matchup against Richmond becomes quite an important and tricky match considering the tough draw the Magpies have and the slow start to the year thus far.
Richmond had a disappointing round one result against Carlton after a big build up. Nevertheless, the truth is that the Tigers played quite well but were just exposed for class and depth on the night. I think Damien Hardwick would take a lot out of the match and would be pleased with the intensity the Tigers displayed.
I think Collingwood can also take some positives out of its loss to Hawthorn in round one. The Magpies at times dominated play and were good around the stoppages. Inaccuracy and an undermanned defence cost Collingwood significantly, but overall it was a high quality match between two top four sides.
The four points on offer this Saturday night becomes very important for both Collingwood and Richmond. Starting the season with two losses will put either side on the back foot immediately. So let’s delve into the analysis.
Recent History
Collingwood has won the previous four encounters against Richmond by an average of 72.5 points. The more mature and experience bodies of the Magpies have proved destructive against the Tigers.
However, these two sides have not met since round four 2011 and the Tigers have developed a lot since that time. In this match, Dane Swan polled three votes with a 33 disposal and four goal game. Dale Thomas polled two votes with 26 disposals and two goals, whilst Deledio snuck in for a vote with 33 disposals. Cloke and Sidebottom each chipped in with three goals each.
Where the Game can be won and lost
After watching both sides play in their respective round one matches, the biggest difference between these two sides is defence.
Despite Richmond’s obvious improvement, the defence still looks out of its depth. Carlton’s big men were able to take numerous marks and its dangerous small forwards were dominant. Debutants Morris and Ellis were forced to take key matchups on Betts and Garlett, whilst Rance, Grimes and Post competed strongly but are often out-muscled by the talls.
The task does not get easier for the young Tigers defence as they will face Cloke, Dawes and Jolly, along with exciting youngster Jackson Paine. Cloke is on fire at the moment and is proving too strong for all defenders.
Nonetheless, Richmond’s forward press and midfield pressure was impressive. The team is defending much better as a whole.
The Tigers were also quite impressive at times out of the centre and around the stoppages. Martin, Cotchin, Deledio and Foley are a terrific on-ball unit and can get on top. The Tigers will consider that their best chance of winning will be by winning the contested footy. This is a tough ask against one of the best midfields in the competition.
If Richmond can get the momentum out of the middle, Jack Riewoldt and the dangerous small forwards will get an opportunity to kick a winning score.
However, this will count for very little if Cloke and Dawes are able to monster the Richmond defence as Collingwood will simply pump it long and expose mis-matches. With Tarrant and Maxwell potentially returning, the Magpies will feel that its defence will be able to hold Richmond to a greater extent than the Tigers can contain the monster Collingwood forwards.
Key Players
Collingwood
Chris Dawes - Dawes looks fitter in 2012 and will again play the important buffer role for Travis Cloke. He is also being asked to assist in the ruck when required. However, his marking needs significant improvement. His goal-kicking was also off on Friday night against Hawthorn. He had the chance in the first quarter to get Collingwood to an early lead but failed to convert. Dawes is still a vital component of the Magpies structure, but I feel he can take his game to another level if he can improve his marking. It is a good chance for him to gain confidence. A firing Chris Dawes makes the whole Collingwood side a lot better.
Scott Pendlebury - Scott rarely gets a wrap in my previews. Simply put, his output goes without saying. However, he was incredible against Hawthorn in round one and is now the outright favourite for the Brownlow Medal in my eyes. What was noticeable was his contested overhead marking. Nathan Buckley has always commented that the one area of his game that needed work was his contested marking, and the early signs are promising. At 190cm tall, he is taller and stronger than most midfield opponents. He is incredibly difficult to tag because his work-rate is so high and he gets good supply from Ball and Swan, as well as having an ability to win his own ball. He has become the complete player.
Steele Sidebottom - Many are tipping this to be the year where Steele establishes himself as an A grade player and a core component of the Collingwood midfield. He is nearly there, and his pre-season has been good. He was against good against Hawthorn, but his game still has another level to go to in my opinion. He missed three gettable opportunities against Hawthorn which proved costly. Sidebottom is one of the fittest and hardest working players on Collingwood’s list and he is on the verge of really becoming a match-winner. Watch for him to impress this weekend.
X-Factor - Jarryd Blair
Blair was one of Collingwood’s better players in round one with 20 disposals and three goals. I felt as if he stagnated a bit towards the end of 2011, but he looks ready to really take his game to a new level in 2012. He has an important role in the Collingwood side considering the absence of Macaffer and Krakouer, as well as Alan Didak. He is therefore required to play as a small forward and also assist in the midfield rotations.
Richmond
Trent Cotchin - Cotchin was the dominant player in the opening half against Carlton last weekend. So much so that Carlton was forced to switch the Carrazzo tag from Martin onto Cotchin. Cotchin was able to respond by moving forward and kicking two goals. He has the opportunity to really set the game alight. He rarely makes a mistake by foot and wins a lot of contested footy. His work in tandem with Dustin Martin provides the future for the Richmond football club.
Ivan Maric - The man with the mullet has had an immediate impact at Tigerland. He is far from the most talented ruckman in the competition, but he has a red hot go and he gives his talented midfield a chance of winning clearances. His match-up against Darren Jolly on Saturday night will be a telling contest considering both rucks have genuine star midfielders around them. Maric will need to be accountable as Jolly is one of the best at pushing forward for a goal. His return of 25 hitouts and 18 possessions in his debut game for Richmond was a solid return and he will need to do much of the same this weekend.
Brett Deledio - With the recruitments of Brandon Ellis and Steven Morris, Deledio will spend the majority of 2012 in the midfield as opposed to across half back. It is a role many have been waiting for as he is a damaging player and his leadership is required on the ball. He has an ability to kick a long goal and the speed to break a game open. He has been solid across half back for years now, but the Tigers need their best players in the action as he will allow Martin and Cotchin more time to rotate forward to keep fresh.
X-Factor - Jack Riewoldt
It is hard to preview a Richmond game without putting some emphasis on the Tiger champ. He had a quiet opening game yet still managed four goals and was instrumental in keeping Richmond in the game. With Tarrant likely to return this weekend, Riewoldt faces a tough match-up. He gets greater assistance now from Vickery and Miller, but is still the main hope up forward and is still the core target going inside 50. Nonetheless, Riewoldt is showing a greater willingness to move higher up the field to provide a target. If Tarrant does return, Riewoldt would be well advised to work him high up the ground to try and expose a lack of match fitness. Jack had every injury known to man in 2011 but has returned much fitter in 2012.
The Wrap Up
Collingwood will not be overly fazed by its round one defeat to Hawthorn. However, a loss to Richmond in round two may send some early alarm bells. Richmond fans on the other hand were very disappointed after the loss to Carlton, but will be quick to forgive if the Tigers can cause an upset on Saturday.
It is too early in the year to declare a game an eight point match, but the stakes are fairly high already. Richmond in my opinion is closing the gap quickly, but the Magpies should still prove too strong and eventually overrun a spirited Tiger outfit.
I think Travis Cloke will be the decisive factor. Richmond will undoubtedly have periods of the match where it gains momentum. Its midfield is very talented and is able to get a run on. However, Collingwood’s defensive structures are well equipped to stem the tide and then counter attack.
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/132365/default.aspx
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DAMIEN Hardwick has "no doubt" Richmond can beat Collingwood at the MCG tomorrow
Not too much doubt people will pick up on this, while disregarding,
but he knows the Tigers must tick off a long list of "things to do" before that happens.
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The "view from the other side" was a very objective and reasonable analysis (preview) of the game - far better than the standard fare dished up by the 'unbiased' general media.
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Pies fans have penciled this in as a win and are already talking about Carlton next week. Dimma should use it as ammo.
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Magpies have frugal plan to tame Tigers
by: COURTNEY WALSH
From: The Australian
April 07, 2012
VICTORY aside, Nathan Buckley has set an obvious goal for Collingwood in tonight's match against Richmond, that being a return to the miserliness that was a feature of its past two seasons.
Buckley was affronted by the ease with which Hawthorn cut through his team's defence in the season-opener last week, with the Hawks scoring 37 times to prevail by 22 points in the fast-paced encounter.
That resulted from Hawthorn's strength through the midfield, which allowed it to move the ball swiftly into its potent attack.
For the most part last Friday, the bogeyman was Buddy Franklin, yet Richmond too possesses a forward terror in Jack Riewoldt, as Buckley noted yesterday.
History suggests that is hardly a concern if Collingwood can play anywhere near its level of the past three years. Last April, Riewoldt managed four goals yet his side was beaten by 71 points.
On a wintry July day in 2009, Riewoldt kicked a third of Richmond's score. That, though, is somewhat paltry given the Tigers could kick only six when pulverised by 82 points. In 2009 it was worse, with Riewoldt restricted to one in the Pies' 93-point win.
While Buckley might well be concerned - understandable given he is yet to post a maiden win as senior coach - this combined with the return of full-back Chris Tarrant emphasises just how big a challenge the Tigers face at the MCG.
"Having 'Tazz' through our defensive rotations is important," Buckley said. "It adds a bit of experience and steel."
Tarrant does not necessarily loom as the logical choice for Riewoldt even given the continued absence of Collingwood skipper Nick Maxwell, who will not play at VFL level this weekend either as he recovers from an ankle problem.
While well-beaten by Carlton last week in a loss that dented the hope garnered through a promising pre-season, Richmond's defeat does not read as disastrous given the Blues' thumping of Brisbane on Thursday night.
That Chris Judd and Marc Murphy were again outstanding gives Richmond's midfield something of an out as well, though Scott Pendlebury and Dane Swan are hardly slouches either.
Though Carlton, which did not win in the pre-season, has underlined the folly of assessing form in February and March too seriously, Buckley did note that both Tyrone Vickery and Brad Miller had performed well in support of Riewoldt through this time.
He expects the pair, who managed just one goal between them from six kicks against Carlton, to respond strongly. Vickery in particular is likely to be vigorous after coach Damien Hardwick's assessment that "it would have been good if he'd taken a bloody mark" in an outing described as his worst for the Tigers.
"Richmond have been playing the three talls and Vickery, Riewoldt and Miller have been as good as any through the NAB Cup," Buckley said.
"Miller, in particular, (his) form up and around that front half has been quite damaging. Although Carlton were able to hold both Miller and Vickery for times last week, we expect that they'll want to bounce back pretty quickly, so it's going to be important early in the match to try and keep that ascendancy."
He also said a Richmond midfield including Brett Deledio, Trent Cotchin and Dustin Martin has the ability to cause problems, though Buckley's example comes from the dodgy form period of the NAB Cup.
"Richmond's form in the pre-season was excellent. They moved the ball really well," Buckley said.
"You only had to look at the performance against Geelong down at Skilled Stadium to see what they are capable of when they do get to play the game on their own terms.
"Defensively, (the aim) is to try and take that away from them."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/magpies-have-frugal-plan-to-tame-tigers/story-fnca0u4y-1226320738590
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Moving onto the Pies game...
Collingwood are getting Micky Malthouse to do a lap of the ground before the game. If we beat them they might beg him to come back ;D.
we need Like buttons on the site :thumbsup
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looking forward to this game, gut tells me its going to be very close or a huge upset . l'm going to this game with a feeling the Tigers can snatch this game away from the skunks. We can do it. :thumbsup ;D :gotigers
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Nahas will be the sub tonight.
Collingwood v Richmond, MCG, 7.40pm
NO LATE CHANGES
FINAL INTERCHANGES
Collingwood: Chris Tarrant, Scott Pendlebury, Dayne Beams
Substitute: Paul Seedsman
Richmond: Daniel Jackson, Reece Conca, Nathan Foley
Substitute: Robin Nahas
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132387/default.aspx
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You've got to kick those Jack.
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Another miss :scream
Sloppy footskills inside 50 :banghead
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Another miss :scream
Sloppy footskills inside 50 :banghead
Yup
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Another turnover from a cross ground pass :banghead. Grimes' fault.
Ellis had to go harder :-\
Lucky bounce gifts the Pies the first goal.
2 - 8
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Well done Jacko. A blind kick ::)
Edwards poster :P
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Edwards misses from 5m out :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Shane Edwards :banghead unbelievable open goal looked like he was only a metre away.
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Newman OOF :banghead :banghead :banghead
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:banghead :banghead :thumbsup
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who wasn;t on goal side than?
easy goal for Blair.
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deplorable skills. newman cotchin houli grimes all with poor kicks. cant do that against these guys
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Ffs dimma is going to lose me if he keeps playing Edwards, we desperately just need to get some reward on the scoreboard, an open goal settles the nerves after we miss a few and the spud misses
Just FHO he's bad news
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The Pies aren't playing that well but geez we are making dumb mistakes and making it easy for them.
Newy out on the full under no pressure.
Blair waltzes through a pack for a goal :banghead
3 - 15
Tucky now pinged for a throw
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Cue WAT fr the Edwards miss :rollin
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Jackson/........
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rubber chested spud
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Jacko drops a sitter trying to mark with his chest ::)
Seriously how is he still getting a game.
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Lids beautiful kick to space and Jackson drops a chest mark now pies shooting for goal
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Groundhog day, goals from turnovers and stoppages.
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newman ffs :banghead
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Finally goal, now settle ffs
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Yep Edwards inside 50 TO NO ONE....... :scream
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Where were the cumbers for Vickery?
Anyway Pendlebury gifts a shot to Miller (nice intercept). Goal :gotigers
9 - 17
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Kicking tonight has been the WORST i have seen under Hardwicks tenure
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Abit of luck there for Miller with his kicking. Wouldn't of been surprised if he missed it.
9 - 17
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Maric keep it simple and kick in the air than along the ground.
Point.
10 - 17
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why dont they kick for goal in the air?
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Rushed point to us.
11 - 17
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Very loose Tigers. Lucky Swan only kicks a point.
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Unnatractive game so far...
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Cotch having a massive crack as usual :thumbsup
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Edwards.........
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That's pathetic Edwards :banghead
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EDWARDS!!!!!!! :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Was that Edwards again that muffed up that kick
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EDWARDS!!! Enough enough enough
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Good to see Vickery clucking a mark tonight.
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Kick it for your confidence VIckery
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You can really tell the difference between our class players like Cotch and Conca and duds like Jacko and Edweards.
TV with a shot after the siren. Point :-\
1/4 time
Richmond 1.6-12
Coll'wood 2.8-20
Goal: Miller
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no one saw jacks shanked kick , on his preferred foot? :outtahere
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EDWARDS!!! Enough enough enough
Well, been calling it for years, sub him..
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EDWARDS!!! Enough enough enough
Enough is enough. This guy is costing us. Bring in Arnott and push Newman to HFF. Or something.
For FARKS SAKE :banghead :banghead :banghead
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no one saw jacks shanked kick , on his preferred foot? :outtahere
Let's keep that between you and me :whistle
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EDWARDS!!! Enough enough enough
Well, been calling it for years, sub him..
Now, now leave him alone. He is my pick for the brownlow ;D
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Very clear about the Magpies game plan, allow us as many uncontested possessions we want and wait for the standard skill error, break through the middle on a counter attack, very simple stuff. :banghead
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Jack should have 2 goals by his standards.
Miller needs to play in front and lead up when a teammate is streaming through the middle.
I've seen 10 year olds who don't kick as bad as Jacko and Edwards. They are momentum killers.
Cotch is clearly our best.
Our work out of defence is better than last week although it's still not quite right when we miss open targets on the spread. At least you can see a system and we are trying to move the ball quickly after a Collingwood point.
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Leave Edwards alone.....That kick to himself on the 50 was sublime, it just didn't quite come off ;D
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Tarrant off early (I think subbed off). So that'll affect the Pies rotations.
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Leave Edwards alone.....That kick to himself on the 50 was sublime, it just didn't quite come off ;D
Chip and charge Rugby union style minus the chip and minus the style!
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EDWARDS!!! Enough enough enough
Well, been calling it for years, sub him..
Now, now leave him alone. He is my pick for the brownlow ;D
Oh dear!
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Hiow was that not a free to grigg? Pendlebury didn't have his eyes on the ball running back!
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EDWARDS!!! Enough enough enough
Well, been calling it for years, sub him..
Now, now leave him alone. He is my pick for the brownlow ;D
:shh... :lol.....
What happened to King??
Oh dear!
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Batch has done some nice things under pressure. Clean kicking
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Edwards OMG! :rollin
Goal! :gotigers
18 -20
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Edwards got one. :thumbsup
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Bout time u kicked one Edwards. You owe us one more the we are even.
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Batch has done some nice things under pressure. Clean kicking
Footy smarts
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How do you atop him?
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Batch nice mark. We missed his composure last week.
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Edwards got one. :thumbsup
How, did someone throw the ball at his boot.....
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C'mon :gotigers
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Jacko with a shot from 55m ... off the side of the boot ::)
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Well done Jackson can't even kick a drop punt
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We got it forward but Miller just couldn't hold the double grab. No crumbers again and the Pies run it up the end other end for a Cloke goal :banghead.
18 - 26
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Where is King, Cloke off up the race, Foley off with blood rule...
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Ball straight through Jackson's hands ::). Ends up with a Pies shot but it's thankfully OOTF.
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Gee we are our wost enemy with skills ffs ffs ffs....
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Cmon lids we need this...
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See stuffing Edwards a throw....scared...
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How good was Cotch and Dusty then :clapping
Jack point.
and Dusty point (should have kicked that)
20 - 26
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missed goals will come back to hurt
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stuff me another miss......
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Why does Cloke always have a great night at goal kicking against us. :banghead
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Tuck has been fantastic. Jackson not fit to wipe his ass
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Rance was looking for Lids and the ump pings him for deliberate OOB. Gifts the Pies a goal.
20 - 32
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So we have done all the hard work and they get a goal :scream
That really annoys the pizz out of me... :banghead :banghead
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We've run our race, we didn't capitalize now they will punish us... stuff off
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Has grigg done a hammy as he stopped dead?
Danger time ... two quick goals to COllingwood
20 - 39
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stuff me, now we are going to drop the bundle.....19 points......stuffing weak as pizz
NO EXCUSES
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bloody hell Jackson don't take the advantage your a poor kick know your limits!
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Lids kick the bloody thing.
Jacko;s kick once again misses the target, Miller was open.
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Jackson.....he was open simple 30 metro pass... I'm deadset going to do murder
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Free to TV from the throw-in. Another Point :scream
21 - 39
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Geez Jackson is slow, how long can we afford to carry him?
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another miised goal that should be taken :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Great.....hey if we kick 100 points we may win... :whistle
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Coach BOG
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ffs :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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99 to go...
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Coach BOG
:clapping
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now collingwood will race it up to the other end and score a half time killing goal on us.
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Cotch all class again. Finds Miller 35m out. Misses :banghead
22 - 40
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That's bullshite....we can't keep kicking points, not good enough and we still can't get out of the 50
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Half-time
Richmond 1.6 2.10-22
Coll'wood 2.8 5.10-40
Goals: Miller, Edwards.
It's on now. Melee time!
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stuff i n g smash em
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tucky :bow
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stuff i n g smash em
Am guessing this post will have an edit from the mods soon! :)
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tucky :bow
He needs to do something....
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Go Tucky you stud
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he's been ok during the play was in like flynne just then :thumbsup
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My bottom 5 in order....
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Edwards-Miller
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:lol
the only goal kickers as the worst
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Dimma will be doing his head in and blasting the crap out of our forwards. The gameplan is working but the coach can't kick it for you Tiges :banghead.
Cotch, Batch, Rance, Maric, Grimes, Tuck our best for mine. Forwards need to step up.
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My bottom 5 in order....
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Edwards-Miller
:clapping
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tuck and morris about the only ones not stuff it up at some stage
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Sub that stuffing dud Jackson now! Cant run,kick,mark,handball or fight!
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My 14 year old is in the Jets development squad and would beat Jackson hands down!
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:lol
the only goal kickers as the worst
Al, get the stuff off Edwards wagon, he is poo, absolute poo, he deserves all the crap he gets.... :banghead
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My 14 year old is in the Jets development squad and would beat Jackson hands down!
That doesn't mean your son is any good mate. My nan would beat Jackson
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tuck and morris about the only ones not stuff it up at some stage
Really like Morris. In fact, given the lack of forward pressure the backline has been fantastic.
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and she's dead
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tuck and morris about the only ones not stuff it up at some stage
I thought Ellis has done some nice things in the first half. Hopefully he doesn't run out of legs.
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Possies:
Rance 17
Houli 16
Tuck 16
Newy 15
Lids 14
Batch 13
Cotch 13
Grimes 13
Grigg 12
Edwards 11
Martin 11
Conca 10
Morris 9
Ellis 7
Foley 7
Maric 7
Jack 7
Jackson 5
King 3
Miller 3
Vickery 2
Nahas 0 ..... sub not used.
Total possies: 211 - 180
Marks: 76 - 56
Hitouts: 13 - 14
Tackles: 16 - 19
Frees: 10 - 7
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My 14 year old is in the Jets development squad and would beat Jackson hands down!
That doesn't mean your son is any good mate. My nan would beat Jackson
You have a point there :lol
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:lol
the only goal kickers as the worst
Al, get the stuff off Edwards wagon, he is poo, absolute poo, he deserves all the crap he gets.... :banghead
yeah sorry, if not for edwards we would be in front
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:lol
the only goal kickers as the worst
Al, get the stuff off Edwards wagon, he is poo, absolute poo, he deserves all the crap he gets.... :banghead
Your turning me WAT :-*
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Sub that stuffing dud Jackson now! Cant run,kick,mark,handball or fight!
Saw him selling girl guide biscuits whilst the fight was on......GET OFF YOU STUFFING HACK >:(
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My bottom 5 in order....
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Edwards-Miller
Funny but very accurate nevertheless :yep
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:lol
the only goal kickers as the worst
Al, get the stuff off Edwards wagon, he is poo, absolute poo, he deserves all the crap he gets.... :banghead
yeah sorry, if not for edwards we would be in front
More than stuffing likely....
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As much as we love a melee especially against the Pies - let's hope the MRP doesn't pull some report on a Tiger. We don't need someone getting rubbed out needlessly with a winnable game next week.
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:lol
the only goal kickers as the worst
Al, get the stuff off Edwards wagon, he is poo, absolute poo, he deserves all the crap he gets.... :banghead
Your turning me WAT :-*
Mate just watch the second half let's see what Mr useless can do...
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Eddo has been pretty good except for a couple of disposal issues (as usual). Can someone, anyone please be given a licence to break lines :banghead The first side to show some adventure....and keep it going...will win.
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:lol
the only goal kickers as the worst
Al, get the stuff off Edwards wagon, he is poo, absolute poo, he deserves all the crap he gets.... :banghead
yeah sorry, if not for edwards we would be in front
More than stuffing likely....
the funniest thing about this is you actually believe it. :lol
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Eddo has been pretty good except for a couple of disposal issues (as usual). Can someone, anyone please be given a licence to break lines :banghead The first side to show some adventure....and keep it going...will win.
I think we are trying but our footskills (usual suspects) are letting us down.
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And that;s not what we needed. Grigg jsut don;t cough up the ball.
Thomas long goal.
22 - 46
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Thompson done nothing all night than comes out and scores a goal like that. Damn it.
C'mon richmond fight back lets get one quickly
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positives
pies dont look all powerful, weve actually matched them in a lot of areas and with better skills couldve really punished them!
Batch makes our backline look better!
If i hear one more person say the adage of the past few season theres no one better than jackson and Edwards to push them out, I WILL SPEW UP! I guarantee we will be better without these momentum killing spuds, a joke they are afl players
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game over
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Ce la vie :help
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The way this 3rd qtr has started it could get ugly.
22 - 52
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Here we go..30 down, God I didn't realize how bad we actually are...
I just feel like giving up on this club, they have given up on us...
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It's all going to hell......
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C'mon
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If i hear one more person say the adage of the past few season theres no one better than jackson and Edwards to push them out, I WILL SPEW UP! I guarantee we will be better without these momentum killing spuds, a joke they are afl players
:thumbsup
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We are insipid
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it's just eff up after eff up all over the ground by nearly every player
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OMG.......why do we bother??
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Eff off Taylor you were the fattest prick to wear a Richmond jumper
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stuff me 2 goals in 3 qtrs........where is Martin, Deledio, we are stuffing pathetic....
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and now come the Collingwood goals out of the proverbial :help
The have had 13 possies for 4 goals. Soft Tigers! :banghead
Make that 5 goals for 20 possies. Back to the bad old ways Richmond :banghead
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48 pts???
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFCK
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We are as weak as pee, can't run lack of pressure killing us......
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This is embarrassing. Show some fight guys.
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How embarrassing, get physical after halftime siren and then cop 5 goals in 5 mins start of 3rd quarter. Where's the pride??
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Commentator just saying it's the Pies playing witches hats.... :banghead
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We're playing handball :P
Point to Houli
23 - 70
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time to get drunk
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Luv that they r booing kingy :lol
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time to get drunk
Woooohoooooo! :gotigers
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time to get drunk
Smashed you mean..
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That Toovey is a busted r sole
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Holding the ball. Free and shot on goal to Grigg. Misses ::)
Laughable
24 - 70
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead Could we even buy a goal tonight.
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Great miss Edwards.....stuff me
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Worse than melbourne, their excuse is they don't have heart, we're just poo
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Pi55 off Jackson :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Yeah good one Jacko - kick to a 2-1 and our smallest player on the park (Nahas)
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Ball just bumps Naha's out of the lead.
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you can only laugh when you see jackson stream off with the ball and ump call "advantage"
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Lmao jacko :rollin if that's not a Classic example of why everyone bar the coach thinks he's poo
How bad is reiwoldt tonight? Doesn't wNt to work hard on the lead, getting destroyed by Reid
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woohoooo
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Hooray Lids bangs one finally home from 50m.
30 - 70
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Is Jackson the worst player to ever wear he yellow sash? Poll....
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Finally, finally, wtf is Martin???
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you can only laugh when you see jackson stream off with the ball and ump call "advantage"
;D
Disadvantage more like it :lol
Pies get one back straight away. We've just been smashed at the centre bounces. So much for our midfield being our strength :-\.
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Is Jackson the worst player to ever wear he yellow sash? Poll....
Flip a coin....him or Edwards...
Another to the Pies..
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Finally, finally, wtf is Martin???
Still sulking after his pee poor game last week......
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King off with a medial ligament. Subbed off.
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Lids stepping up....... :pray
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Is Jackson the worst player to ever wear he yellow sash? Poll....
Worst Tiger to play as many games as he has (been on our list since 2003 draft) and worst to be in our leadership group.
Jack pinged for a throw when it was a legit handball ::)
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Gee not a kick or a mark to jack, Vicks or miller this qtr...what a stuffing disgrace
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Clearances:
1st: 11 - 6
2nd: 3 - 12
3rd: 3 - 11
Says it all.
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Gee not a kick or a mark to jack, Vicks or miller this qtr...what a stuffing disgrace
where's a our crumbers? Ball going out as fast as it goes in.
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Gee not a kick or a mark to jack, Vicks or miller this qtr...what a stuffing disgrace
3 talls? more like 3 telephone poles, pathetic effort from all 3 , no presenting 2 weeks in a row
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Gee not a kick or a mark to jack, Vicks or miller this qtr...what a stuffing disgrace
where's a our crumbers? Ball going out as fast as it goes in.
God mate..who knows
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BT is right about Rance. His not a good kick under pressure.
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Some of these free kicks..... Griggs that was just dumb and unnecessary 2 on 1 ffs
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BT is right about Rance. His not a good kick under pressure.
Neither is Fasolo but Taylor is too busy beating his meat over him
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Gee not a kick or a mark to jack, Vicks or miller this qtr...what a stuffing disgrace
Vickery 3 disposals. not doing anything. bring in Bakes to help Maric in the ruck and play him up forward too. least he won't be pushed off the ball
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Nahas useless as t@s on a...
Get off if you not want to put in :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Nice goal Conca.
3/4 time
Richmond 1.6 2.10 4.13-37
Coll'wood 2.8 5.10 11.12-78
Goals: Miller, Edwards, Deledio, Conca
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Viceroy out next week, 1 week of 4 disposals you can write off, 2 in a row is just downright pathetic, send a message! Bring in Elton, at least that raw kid throws himself at the ball and more importantly presents.
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Gee not a kick or a mark to jack, Vicks or miller this qtr...what a stuffing disgrace
3 talls? more like 3 telephone poles, pathetic effort from all 3 , no presenting 2 weeks in a row
Yep.
Miller as agile as the Titanic.
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Viceroy out next week, 1 week of 4 disposals you can write off, 2 in a row is just downright pathetic, send a message! Bring in Elton, at least that raw kid throws himself at the ball and more importantly presents.
Somebody said it :clapping
We want to limit the loss to less than 40 pts or so. Let the focus be on the dees
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Is that concas first goal?
elton dropped more marks than vickery last week playing in the vfl
bubby is more on the ball with the turtle call.
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Viceroy out next week, 1 week of 4 disposals you can write off, 2 in a row is just downright pathetic, send a message! Bring in Elton, at least that raw kid throws himself at the ball and more importantly presents.
I'd give TV a last chance next week. If he can't win more than 4 possies next week against a hapless Melbourne then it's off to Coburg.
Miller can retire now for all I care. Not in our future plans and doing nothing onfield. A list clogger.
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Gee not a kick or a mark to jack, Vicks or miller this qtr...what a stuffing disgrace
Vickery 3 disposals. not doing anything. bring in Bakes to help Maric in the ruck and play him up forward too. least he won't be pushed off the ball
I like it, Vik's back to the burgers bring Gus out of retirement. The worst he could do is bitch slap Miller and remind him to go all in!
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Is that concas first goal?
Yep it was al.
Dimma is one peeed off coach and so he should be. Pathetic Tigers.
Jack down in the rooms sore. That's all we need.
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nice bake from dimma. bout time
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Jack down the race....sounds like he's having his head read......
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Rip their heads off
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You are lazy and poot Nahas
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Is that concas first goal?
elton dropped more marks than vickery last week playing in the vfl
bubby is more on the ball with the turtle call.
Stiff poo, at least he gets hands on it and causes spillages from what I've seen, vickery has been way off
Whose bubby and the turtle?
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TV you've got to hang onto those. Two weeks in a row now. Mind you I thought it was a mark anyway.
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Jackson ::)
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Jackson handball directly to oppositions advantage :banghead :banghead :banghead
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GET OFF YOU PRIQUE
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LOL. Miller goal.
Evem edwards couldn't have missed him that time ;D
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Is that concas first goal?
elton dropped more marks than vickery last week playing in the vfl
bubby is more on the ball with the turtle call.
Stiff poo, at least he gets hands on it and causes spillages from what I've seen, vickery has been way off
Whose bubby and the turtle?
bubby = davey
turtle = gus
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Question.....why are all our kids doing the hard work? Ellis, Batch,Conca, Morris all putting in but where is the help?
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:banghead
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Don't you love how the umps call play on if we even step a fraction off the line ::)
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LMAO edward to miller 4 a goal :lol
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Is that concas first goal?
elton dropped more marks than vickery last week playing in the vfl
bubby is more on the ball with the turtle call.
Stiff poo, at least he gets hands on it and causes spillages from what I've seen, vickery has been way off
Whose bubby and the turtle?
bubby = davey
turtle = gus
Yep.... Replace one telephone pole with an even more immovable object up fwd, u know it makes sense..
::)
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Jack back on finds Miller 35m out. How about we stick the ball between the two big posts Brad?
He finally does.
49 - 78
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Keep the margin close tigers. Keep the % under control
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Looking better but to little to late I'm afraid......just keep it up and don't let the blow it out again!
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IIIIIIIIIIIVAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!L!!!!
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IIIIIIIIIIIVAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!L!!!!
:clapping great chase
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Deledio. star
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Lids goal :gotigers
55 - 78
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C'mon 4 more!!!
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Poot
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Bugger!
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Double poot....
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Vickery you...
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Vickerys man... He must be dropped just not interested
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JACKSON GET OFFFFF >:(
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Can't let our hard work go down the drain here! Jackson ::)
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Swan throw not paid ::)
LOL Jacko.
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Lmao jacko tries a left foot banana u stuffing banana bain
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Flaccid Jaccid
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Cloke you sook, like father like son :lol
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Too laxadaisy Dusty.
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attack the ball jack FFS :banghead
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Cartlon will smash collingwood by 6-10 goals
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Grigg finds Conca inside 50. Point.
56 - 85
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Riewoldt has been a disgrace tonight
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Tap with your fist not open hand! :banghead
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Lids going for the barrel. Point.
57 - 85
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Triple poot
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Lids vs cotch for our best
Jack vs vickery for wog
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Batch clean again :clapping
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Jackson racking up junk time stats to keep his spot :clapping
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Morris nice kick to Rance who didn't have to change stride and finds Miller 35m out on a 60 degree angle. Goal.
64 - 85
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Now that we've had a better look What do ppl think of morris's skills?
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Final Score
Richmond 1.6 2.10 4.13 8.16-64
Coll'wood 2.8 5.10 11.12 12.13-85
Goals: Miller 4, Deledio 2, Conca, Edwards
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Morris, Ellis, Batch and Conca can all hold there heads high! All put in, tried there guts out for young players hats off to them :clapping also special mention to Grigg, the jury was out for me but has strung two good consecutive games together as a midfielder and is showing some signs!
How handy would McKarthy be right now? Probably be keeping Jackson out of the side ::)
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score board flattered us in the end with only losing by 21. Collingwood probably took there foot of it as they was never in danger of losing after there burst in the 3rd quarter.
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missed too many gettable goals.
The backline held up quite well all things considered
gotta like morris
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Edwards misses from 5m out :banghead :banghead :banghead
Sorry Dookstar but he missed and he was probably 74cm away from the goals lol. My mum would have kicked it through for a goal. What a stuffen joke of a miss.
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Best: Lids, Cotch, Foley, Rance, Maric
Hon Mentions: Rest of backline, Tuck and Miller
Woeful effort: Jackson, Vickery, Jack
Just like to say that Ellis and Morris tried hard all night.
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Now that we've had a better look What do ppl think of morris's skills?
Very happy ATM. The knock on him was his foot skills but used both sides of his body well tonight.
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Morris, Ellis, Batch and Conca can all hold there heads high! All put in, tried there guts out for young players hats off to them :clapping also special mention to Grigg, the jury was out for me but has strung two good consecutive games together as a midfielder and is showing some signs!
How handy would McKarthy be right now? Probably be keeping Jackson out of the side ::)
yeah, agree with this.
both games so far the opposition seem to be ensuring houli doesnt get any space but he keeps presenting and going when he has to. his defensive work is ok too.
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Bar 10 unforgivable minutes in 3rd qtr - promising signs. Wheel slowly turning. Effort great, system slowly improving. A big scalp would do wonders.
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Hardwick needs to send a big message. He has got 3 years. He is guaranteed his short term future. Now he must make a statement.
Next Week - DROPPED
Tyrone Vickery
Dan Jackson
Shane Edwards
Jacky Boy Riewoldt
should all play at Coburg and have a think about their footy.
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Hardwick needs to send a big message. He has got 3 years. He is guaranteed his short term future. Now he must make a statement.
Next Week - DROPPED
Tyrone Vickery
Dan Jackson
Shane Edwards
Jacky Boy Riewoldt
should all play at Coburg and have a think about their footy.
Martin is very close to that list as well, not sure where his head is at ATM but he is no where near defensive enough and has a very small tank which doesn't help.
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martin also seems to be doing a lot of the the blind bombs that so many criticise tuck for.
speaking of tuck, he went awol in the third quarter when the scum got that run on. I like tucky but he should not be that critical to our fortunes :huh
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We had more: Kicks,Handballs,Marks and Hitouts. The efficiency issues surround our forward line and the s@*thouse delivery into it. Who is our forward line 'coach' again???
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We had more: Kicks,Handballs,Marks and Hitouts. The efficiency issues surround our forward line and the s@*thouse delivery into it. Who is our forward line 'coach' again???
Good q. Don't tell me it's that port sloth???
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Thought the commentators were incredibly harsh on rance tonight, yeah he made some errors, but positives>>>>>>>>>negatives by a mile
Agree ruanaidh, our fwd line has been woeful first 2 weeks
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agree with comments about rance and the commentators
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Thought the commentators were incredibly harsh on rance tonight, yeah he made some errors, but positives>>>>>>>>>negatives by a mile
Agree ruanaidh, our fwd line has been woeful first 2 weeks
Dont know how many possessions Rance had but I reckon most were good or ok. And he seemed to get lots of the footy. The least of our problems is Alex Rance IMHO.
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The final score flattered us but at least it'll keep our % decent going into round 3. We are improving but obviously still a long way off the big boys. When the Pies put their foot down we got blown out of the water. The main positive is we can see the guys who have the class to take our forward and those that don't. Lids stood up against the tide, Cotch's first half was brilliant and of the young guys liked Ellis, Conca and Morris while I gave Batch votes. Add Rance has been good at FB both this and last week.
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i thought ellis looked lost early on but fought back well. kudos to the kid :thumbsup
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I feel really sorry for the likes of Cotchin and Deledio. You can see these two boys are trying to lift the club by the bootstraps and we just dont have enough soldiers to help them out.
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Thought the commentators were incredibly harsh on rance tonight, yeah he made some errors, but positives>>>>>>>>>negatives by a mile
Agree ruanaidh, our fwd line has been woeful first 2 weeks
Dont know how many possessions Rance had but I reckon most were good or ok. And he seemed to get lots of the footy. The least of our problems is Alex Rance IMHO.
34 and 17 marks! Fools were blubbering incessantly about his poor skills
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How could anyone knock Rance's game tonight. AFAIC: :clapping :clapping :clapping
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i thought ellis looked lost early on but fought back well. kudos to the kid :thumbsup
Agree, wears his heart on his sleeve, not in his hair color..... :o
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Thought the commentators were incredibly harsh on rance tonight, yeah he made some errors, but positives>>>>>>>>>negatives by a mile
Agree ruanaidh, our fwd line has been woeful first 2 weeks
Dont know how many possessions Rance had but I reckon most were good or ok. And he seemed to get lots of the footy. The least of our problems is Alex Rance IMHO.
34 and 17 marks! Fools were blubbering incessantly about his poor skills
Even if he stuffed up 5 kicks lets say - thats still a terrific game IMHO. :clapping
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The final score flattered us but at least it'll keep our % decent going into round 3. We are improving but obviously still a long way off the big boys. When the Pies put their foot down we got blown out of the water. The main positive is we can see the guys who have the class to take our forward and those that don't. Lids stood up against the tide, Cotch's first half was brilliant and of the young guys liked Ellis, Conca and Morris while I gave Batch votes. Add Rance has been good at FB both this and last week.
I don't look at that 5 min burst as them putting their foot down, moreso that it was uncompetitive from us, 5 goals in 20 possessions is unacceptable in afl was incredibly soft! apart from that we just about matched them in all areas all night except for skills :-[.
Agree about the young guys, the defence as a whole looked a lot more settled this week
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yeah, batch in for post was definitely an improvement
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God is it over.......thank the Lord, score doesn't reflect how poor we were and are.
Forward structure, accountability and skill level are non existent....
Very disappointed.
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Great effort from the side and plenty to work with.
Did not take our chances in the 1st half, went AWOL for 10 minutes and then got back on level terms before dominating the last Qtr.
Back line was fantastic!
Midfield was solid but let down our forwards with poor supply.
Vick's and Jack did not take enough initiative - Jack looked lost for most of the game but I would not hold him solely responsible.
We need one big scalp and it all changes.
Big change from 2011 IMO.
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Thought the commentators were incredibly harsh on rance tonight, yeah he made some errors, but positives>>>>>>>>>negatives by a mile
Agree ruanaidh, our fwd line has been woeful first 2 weeks
Dont know how many possessions Rance had but I reckon most were good or ok. And he seemed to get lots of the footy. The least of our problems is Alex Rance IMHO.
34 and 17 marks! Fools were blubbering incessantly about his poor skills
Even if he stuffed up 5 kicks lets say - thats still a terrific game IMHO. :clapping
Rance had 82% effective disposal. Thats not bad at all for a bloke who supposedly cant kick.
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Y&B....please....
And Riewoldt, put him back in the goal square like in his Coleman year Hardwick, stuff around with another player......he is not working where you are putting him...
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I feel really sorry for the likes of Cotchin and Deledio. You can see these two boys are trying to lift the club by the bootstraps and we just dont have enough soldiers to help them out.
Totally agree
We aint good enough full stop
I never ever want to see Jackson again
Vickery isnt far behind him either
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Ben Reid from Collingwood is a very good player. We should target him with a big offer IMHO.
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Great effort from the side and plenty to work with.
Did not take our chances in the 1st half, went AWOL for 10 minutes and then got back on level terms before dominating the last Qtr.
Back line was fantastic!
Midfield was solid but let down our forwards with poor supply.
Vick's and Jack did not take enough initiative - Jack looked lost for most of the game but I would not hold him solely responsible.
We need one big scalp and it all changes.
Big change from 2011 IMO.
You must of been at a diifferent game to me
Big change from 2011, we got smashed.
We cannot take a mark inside F 50 and it just goes to show the 'our rookie" player leads the way tonight in marks and goals.
Same as other years, always left to to few players to have an impact
God knows what would of happened without Lids and Cotchin
Our bottome 6 players are useless.
Never want to see Daniel Jackson in yellow and black again
Edwards isnt far behind him either
Tuck is gone
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Thought the commentators were incredibly harsh on rance tonight, yeah he made some errors, but positives>>>>>>>>>negatives by a mile
Agree ruanaidh, our fwd line has been woeful first 2 weeks
Dont know how many possessions Rance had but I reckon most were good or ok. And he seemed to get lots of the footy. The least of our problems is Alex Rance IMHO.
34 and 17 marks! Fools were blubbering incessantly about his poor skills
Even if he stuffed up 5 kicks lets say - thats still a terrific game IMHO. :clapping
Should start a chant next week if he plays well: 'All we are saying....... is thank god we have Rance'.
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Thought the commentators were incredibly harsh on rance tonight, yeah he made some errors, but positives>>>>>>>>>negatives by a mile
Agree ruanaidh, our fwd line has been woeful first 2 weeks
Dont know how many possessions Rance had but I reckon most were good or ok. And he seemed to get lots of the footy. The least of our problems is Alex Rance IMHO.
34 and 17 marks! Fools were blubbering incessantly about his poor skills
Even if he stuffed up 5 kicks lets say - thats still a terrific game IMHO. :clapping
Rance had 82% effective disposal. Thats not bad at all for a bloke who supposedly cant kick.
stuff me, a holes... Wish BT was still on league teams on 927, I'd call him and tell him again 20 years on "do you know what BT stands for BT? big turd coz that's what you are mate"
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Y&B....please....
And Riewoldt, put him back in the goal square like in his Coleman year Hardwick, stuff around with another player......he is not working where you are putting him...
Have faith WAT, I thought we played with great intensity for all bar 10 minutes. It actually cost us the game.
We do have a ways to go but the main thing lacking tonight was the inability to take our chances.
In the 1st half, jack and vick's missed 2 very gettable shots, your mate edwards missed a soda and Miller also missed easy shots.
en
Then we let Collingwood kick 5 goals in 7 minutes.
There's actually a bit to work with here.
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I feel really sorry for the likes of Cotchin and Deledio. You can see these two boys are trying to lift the club by the bootstraps and we just dont have enough soldiers to help them out.
Totally agree
We aint good enough full stop
I never ever want to see Jackson again
Vickery isnt far behind him either
You have always had a hate on for though Vickers though Jack ;). IMO he is still struggling from that corkie he got in the NAB Cup.
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I saw Jack and Tyrone 'pull-out' tonight when total commitment was required. A terrible indictment on an an AFL footballer and even moreso when you are well over 6 foot. They need to be named and shamed >:(
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interesting you say that GR12. I started watching the carlton game yesterday and at one stage in the first 1/4 vickery was running one out for a loose ball and seemed to be labouring. made me think he was carrying an injury.
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I feel really sorry for the likes of Cotchin and Deledio. You can see these two boys are trying to lift the club by the bootstraps and we just dont have enough soldiers to help them out.
Totally agree
We aint good enough full stop
I never ever want to see Jackson again
Vickery isnt far behind him either
You have always had a hate on for though Vickers though Jack ;). IMO he is still struggling from that corkie he got in the NAB Cup.
I dont think a corky effects his ability to mark the ball, weak excuse
Foley went back on with his nose busted over his face tonight and still had a crack.
Vickery couldnt bruise a grape
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interesting you say that GR12. I started watching the carlton game yesterday and at one stage in the first 1/4 vickery was running one out for a loose ball and seemed to be labouring. made me think he was carrying an injury.
PTSD??
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Great effort from the side and plenty to work with.
Did not take our chances in the 1st half, went AWOL for 10 minutes and then got back on level terms before dominating the last Qtr.
Back line was fantastic!
Midfield was solid but let down our forwards with poor supply.
Vick's and Jack did not take enough initiative - Jack looked lost for most of the game but I would not hold him solely responsible.
We need one big scalp and it all changes.
Big change from 2011 IMO.
You must of been at a diifferent game to me
Big change from 2011, we got smashed.
We cannot take a mark inside F 50 and it just goes to show the 'our rookie" player leads the way tonight in marks and goals.
Same as other years, always left to to few players to have an impact
God knows what would of happened without Lids and Cotchin
Our bottome 6 players are useless.
Never want to see Daniel Jackson in yellow and black again
Edwards isnt far behind him either
Tuck is gone
Nope, at the same game. Rance enormous and beat the 2nd best forward in the game. Grimes fantastic. Batch very good. Grigg, Maric, Ellis and Moris played with huge heart. Conca showed a bit.
In and of itself, the above are massive gains from 2011.
Forwards could not be worse, nor the supply from our mids.
The players you mentioned arent good enough but neither is our depth. In time that will be fixed.
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foley did stuff all
what is PTSD?
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foley did stuff all
what is PTSD?
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (I was being facetious)
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Boys just got home here's my take.
Lids and Cotchin all class.
Rance was good.
Thought Ellis recovered well. Morris was reasonable too.
Batchelor I like this kid will be a player for us as will Conca.
I like the fact that these kids can play will add depth.
Maric was solid.
Miller was good in the forward line.
I want to see Jack out of the square and not try to take mark of the year each time the ball comes into the fwd line. No more footy show just play footy Jack.
Dusty should run in straight lines instead of dancing around and around.
Jackson is just a terrible indictment. Cannot hit a target when under no pressure. Has no concept of the fundamentals of footy. Gets in player's way anyone see the Rance incident that cost us a goal.
What was he defensive mid, tagger. His mistakes are elementary errors that footy players in their ninth season of AFL should not be doing. Has no awareness and no concept of the game just a runner and a fit bloke playing footy due to endurance but he aint that quick of mind on the field and not quick physically either to get to contests. Never have I seen a bloke get the ball and give it straight back as much as this bloke. I thought Tiva was the turnover king. Nope Jako is His Royal Highness in that category.
Limited the damage in the end but by then Collingwood were not over exerting themselves. They really lacked polish and still put us to the sword. Carlton will defeat them next week.
Sets up a GF of sorts in Round 3 between us and the Dees. How much all the good will and faith we had in the pre season will be put to the test more so than our games in the first two weeks. As far as I am concerned if we cannot beat a side that is in the mire as they are then we deserve to wallow where we are. Next week is our clubs most important game of the year as things have panned out. Must win no matter what and not just fall over the line a good win a comfortable one 5 goals plus.
Its not about fans showing faith its time the club also took responsibility of their own destiny and mark this down and build from there. Club needs to make a positive on field statement next week and win their first game.
Positive too was % didn't take a battering and a good win next week may have us back on track in that department also. It's all in our hands.
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How many times did we get pinged for throwing the ball & how many did Collinwood get away with it? Umpiring seemed a bit one sided.
Forward line, with the exception of Miller was a disgrace. Don't understand what the commentators were going on about Rance - he was one of our best.
Agree with comments about Jackson & Vickery.
Most exciting thing was the half time brawl with Jake taking on Jolly!! :clappingIf the AFL fine anyone for being involved in a melee - well that's purely revenue raising!!
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Just got home, where do l start. 10 mins in l could have left. King / Obrien WTF. Jackson oh please if this bloke plays next week l will self destruct, His not a footballers ass. Edwards oh please, Rewoldt has to be dropped, is gutless & expects everyone else to do the hard stuff but him. Umpiring was shocking but was against them & helped us stay in the game.
But this defines a footballer NOT. Shaw is running circles around the place & Jackson is berating his players l mean Hello who's man was it. JACKSON's. l swear if this bloke plays another game of football for this club then we are going nowhere. He is a moron & how he has lasted 9 years has stumped me. l'm over him & Dimma is a twit putting King on Obrien. Turnovers, Cross country football. l seen Jackson run 70 metres & he run himself to the boundry line out of the play.
l'm going to bed before l really explode. What l seen tonight was the worst football game in my entire life.
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forgot to add, since when did blind kicking come into the AFL. l seen so many players do it tonight from our side l said to everyone around us that we pay to see this action. 10 year old do that crap OMFG We are rabble. we are a botton 4 side. l retract my statement of saying we will finish 5th. 5th last is where we are at. Hard miles ahead. Rabble game next week vs melbourne. seriously l'm not going.
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How many times did we get pinged for throwing the ball & how many did Collinwood get away with it? Umpiring seemed a bit one sided.
Forward line, with the exception of Miller was a disgrace. Don't understand what the commentators were going on about Rance - he was one of our best.
Agree with comments about Jackson & Vickery.
Most exciting thing was the half time brawl with Jake taking on Jolly!! :clappingIf the AFL fine anyone for being involved in a melee - well that's purely revenue raising!!
This, particularly in the first quarter they were under huge pressure and were throwing the ball and the umpire ignored it, I think what happened is the umpires got worded up to stop the throws and didn't get told it was Collingwood doing it because all of a sudden our blokes were getting done left right and centre even for handpasses.
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How many times did we get pinged for throwing the ball & how many did Collinwood get away with it? Umpiring seemed a bit one sided.
Forward line, with the exception of Miller was a disgrace. Don't understand what the commentators were going on about Rance - he was one of our best.
Agree with comments about Jackson & Vickery.
Most exciting thing was the half time brawl with Jake taking on Jolly!! :clappingIf the AFL fine anyone for being involved in a melee - well that's purely revenue raising!!
This, particularly in the first quarter they were under huge pressure and were throwing the ball and the umpire ignored it, I think what happened is the umpires got worded up to stop the throws and didn't get told it was Collingwood doing it because all of a sudden our blokes were getting done left right and centre even for handpasses.
Shouldn't you be going to bed? Suns up buddy........
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I'm glad some of my fellow posters are finally seeing the reality of the situation.
It truly takes a strong leader to change a culture of mediocrity. To eradicate the disease that plagues a club with a loser mentality. I've been saying it for some time now & have come to expect the worse.
I have seen some improvements at the club since Benny Gale has been there. I hope that hardwick truly has the right vision to lead us to success. It's hard to know for sure unless he has the right players all around the ground. We are still 2 years away of even thinking about finals. The reason Ive said this was because you need a great backline to be truly a good team & we are miles away from that.
Rance was excellent last night but he has no support whatsoever. I was suprised he didn't snap last night & punch a few of his mates down there he was covering 3 players at certain stages of the match on his own. You can only wonder what his teammates were doing.
Newman was terrible again. Unacceptable from a Captain to be so bad two weeks running.
Lids can hold his head high. He did am excellent job last night in leadership showed us he wants to play finals footy.
Jackson..... I've been a supporter of his but enough is enough. If you can't take a chest mark when by yourself on a wing then you can't play AFL.
Jack..... Terrible, selfish, lazy, bighead, hero, non-team player. Hopefully he watches how hard cloke worked & he realizes that is the benchmark for him.
Miller is proof that we have noone else yet.
Vickery has potential but shouldn't be allowed to play in the seniors till he knows how hard he must work. He is not getting any leadership from Jack at the minute.
Tuck tries hard but his man broke the game open in the third.
King..... If your gonna fight make it count.
Cotchin is & will be a great for us. Hopefully he stays but I won't blame him if he decides to go.
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dont know how you can bag the backline on last nights efforts. the pressure they were under most of the night , largely due to collingwoods dominance in the midfield was huge, yet they never crumbled.
newman made some mistakes early, as did nearly everyone, but was a solid contributor after that. punches above his weight so often.
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dont know how you can bag the backline on last nights efforts. the pressure they were under most of the night , largely due to collingwoods dominance in the midfield was huge, yet they never crumbled.
newman made some mistakes early, as did nearly everyone, but was a solid contributor after that. punches above his weight so often.
Back line was enormous last night. D Grimes look a 10 year player, slaughtered Dawes. To his credit, Newman was good after a poor 1st Qtr.
I liked our defensive play all over the ground. People might say Collingwood played poorly last night, there was a reason for it. Ross Smith having some impact
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
agree. It was a poor showing last night from the tiger supporters. Maybe they're all on holiday over the Easter weekend. Or maybe they were scared because they thought we'd get thrashed. I was there and the team did better than I expected.
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Lawl reading this thread back.... :lol
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
It was their gate, stuff em
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
It was their gate, stuff em
Correct. And IIRC it was Collingwood who didn't want to enter into a shared gate arrangement.
So I applaud those who stayed at home :clapping
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Pics from last night's game....
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dont know how you can bag the backline on last nights efforts. the pressure they were under most of the night , largely due to collingwoods dominance in the midfield was huge, yet they never crumbled.
newman made some mistakes early, as did nearly everyone, but was a solid contributor after that. punches above his weight so often.
Back line was enormous last night. D Grimes look a 10 year player, slaughtered Dawes. To his credit, Newman was good after a poor 1st Qtr.
I liked our defensive play all over the ground. People might say Collingwood played poorly last night, there was a reason for it. Ross Smith having some impact
yes I like grimes alot. When he puts some muscle on & with a few more preseasons under his belt i'm sure he'll be great for us. I like batchelor last night too. Morris is fearless. Infact all the defense were good except the captain.
The problem is that they don't work hard enough yet. Rance is improving every year but he was made to look loose last night but he was covering for others who weren't working hard enough for him.
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
It was their gate, stuff em
Correct. And IIRC it was Collingwood who didn't want to enter into a shared gate arrangement.
So I applaud those who stayed at home :clapping
are you serious wanting supporters to stay home when the club needs support at games. 57k & l swear 47 were them. pathetic
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
agree. It was a poor showing last night from the tiger supporters. Maybe they're all on holiday over the Easter weekend. Or maybe they were scared because they thought we'd get thrashed. I was there and the team did better than I expected.
be dissapointing if that was the case
We were there last night and sat in mcc so if was a mixed crowd, but not that lively.
One thing ive noticed is our supporters are fairly reserved ( yes they can be super loud) but the boys really have to show something before they take off.
Imo the cheersquad (as hard as they work) need to get stuck into the supporters to chant and cheer the team whether were up or down, and strike fear into the opposition and their supporters.
One good thing was the collingwood crowd were fairly timid by their standards last night
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If you look at the stats, we work hard and not smart, and still probably not hard enough :(
COLLINGWOOD
Player Name K H D M HO T FF FA G B DT
Luke Ball 11 9 20 5 0 6 1 2 0 1 86
Dayne Beams 11 11 22 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 74
Jarryd Blair 8 10 18 6 0 4 0 1 2 0 87
Martin Clarke 11 8 19 4 0 2 2 0 0 0 71
Travis Cloke 16 2 18 8 0 1 3 3 3 2 94
Chris Dawes 4 8 12 5 2 1 0 0 0 1 50
Alex Fasolo 9 4 13 5 0 2 2 0 2 1 73
Tyson Goldsack 8 6 14 7 0 1 0 4 0 1 50
Darren Jolly 2 3 5 1 25 3 0 0 1 0 58
Lachlan Keeffe 9 5 14 3 0 0 2 0 0 0 48
Heritier O'Brien 15 8 23 6 0 1 1 0 0 0 84
Jackson Paine 5 4 9 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 39
Scott Pendlebury 17 12 29 5 0 8 3 1 0 0 122
Ben Reid 9 6 15 6 0 2 1 1 0 0 63
Paul Seedsman 4 6 10 5 0 2 0 2 0 0 41
Heath Shaw 13 1 14 6 0 3 1 2 0 0 66
Steele Sidebottom 14 10 24 5 0 2 0 0 0 0 85
Ben Sinclair 5 4 9 3 0 1 0 1 0 1 34
Dane Swan 19 13 32 6 0 3 0 0 0 3 116
Chris Tarrant 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Dale Thomas 10 6 16 4 0 4 0 1 3 0 85
Alan Toovey 6 6 12 2 0 3 2 2 0 0 44
TOTALS 207 142 349 100 27 51 18 20 12 10 1476
DIFFERENCE -27 -51 -78 -33 -6 +4 -2 +2 +4 -3 -259
RICHMOND
Player Name K H D M HO T FF FA G B DT
Jake Batchelor 13 10 23 9 0 2 0 1 0 0 91
Reece Conca 14 7 21 9 1 0 0 2 1 1 85
Trent Cotchin 14 12 26 4 0 2 2 0 0 0 88
Brett Deledio 17 18 35 5 2 5 3 0 2 1 140
Shane Edwards 8 9 17 2 0 0 0 2 1 1 49
Brandon Ellis 10 8 18 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 61
Nathan Foley 7 7 14 3 0 7 0 0 0 0 72
Shaun Grigg 12 18 30 8 3 1 1 1 0 1 102
Dylan Grimes 14 6 20 12 0 2 0 0 0 0 98
Bachar Houli 16 10 26 9 0 6 1 0 0 1 121
Daniel Jackson 11 7 18 4 0 1 0 2 0 0 57
Jake King 2 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 13
Ivan Maric 4 7 11 4 18 2 1 0 0 1 66
Dustin Martin 13 8 21 4 0 3 1 2 0 1 75
Brad Miller 5 2 7 5 0 0 1 0 4 1 60
Steven Morris 10 11 21 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 77
Robin Nahas 3 9 12 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 48
Chris Newman 18 7 25 15 0 2 1 1 0 0 119
Alex Rance 21 13 34 17 0 0 4 2 0 0 138
Jack Riewoldt 8 4 12 2 0 0 1 3 0 3 33
Shane Tuck 11 14 25 5 1 6 1 2 0 0 96
Tyrone Vickery 3 4 7 2 8 3 1 0 0 2 46
TOTALS 234 193 427 133 33 47 20 18 8 13 1735
DIFFERENCE +27 +51 +78 +33 +6 -4 +2 -2 -4 +3 +259
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dont know how you can bag the backline on last nights efforts. the pressure they were under most of the night , largely due to collingwoods dominance in the midfield was huge, yet they never crumbled.
newman made some mistakes early, as did nearly everyone, but was a solid contributor after that. punches above his weight so often.
Back line was enormous last night. D Grimes look a 10 year player, slaughtered Dawes. To his credit, Newman was good after a poor 1st Qtr.
I liked our defensive play all over the ground. People might say Collingwood played poorly last night, there was a reason for it. Ross Smith having some impact
yes I like grimes alot. When he puts some muscle on & with a few more preseasons under his belt i'm sure he'll be great for us. I like batchelor last night too. Morris is fearless. Infact all the defense were good except the captain.
The problem is that they don't work hard enough yet. Rance is improving every year but he was made to look loose last night but he was covering for others who weren't working hard enough for him.
No respect by any players defending last night forward or back, Grimes through his arms in the air after Rance missed 3 Tiger options & kicked it to them like a executed shortpass. OMG & the captain well l would simply execute him, was that bad giving every opponant he had 10-15 metres on him. no wonder his always late for contests. Grimes well l got to like that lad.
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
agree. It was a poor showing last night from the tiger supporters. Maybe they're all on holiday over the Easter weekend. Or maybe they were scared because they thought we'd get thrashed. I was there and the team did better than I expected.
be dissapointing if that was the case
We were there last night and sat in mcc so if was a mixed crowd, but not that lively.
One thing ive noticed is our supporters are fairly reserved ( yes they can be super loud) but the boys really have to show something before they take off.
Imo the cheersquad (as hard as they work) need to get stuck into the supporters to chant and cheer the team whether were up or down, and strike fear into the opposition and their supporters.
One good thing was the collingwood crowd were fairly timid by their standards last night
they were timid because if they were playing some other team like Carlton, they would have been flogged they were that bad.
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I was there and had the unfortunately experience I having ferals sitting next to me
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I was there and had the unfortunately experience I having ferals sitting next to me
mcc houses all breeds ;D
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If you look at the stats, we work hard and not smart, and still probably not hard enough :(
COLLINGWOOD
Player Name K H D M HO T FF FA G B DT
Luke Ball 11 9 20 5 0 6 1 2 0 1 86
Dayne Beams 11 11 22 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 74
Jarryd Blair 8 10 18 6 0 4 0 1 2 0 87
Martin Clarke 11 8 19 4 0 2 2 0 0 0 71
Travis Cloke 16 2 18 8 0 1 3 3 3 2 94
Chris Dawes 4 8 12 5 2 1 0 0 0 1 50
Alex Fasolo 9 4 13 5 0 2 2 0 2 1 73
Tyson Goldsack 8 6 14 7 0 1 0 4 0 1 50
Darren Jolly 2 3 5 1 25 3 0 0 1 0 58
Lachlan Keeffe 9 5 14 3 0 0 2 0 0 0 48
Heritier O'Brien 15 8 23 6 0 1 1 0 0 0 84
Jackson Paine 5 4 9 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 39
Scott Pendlebury 17 12 29 5 0 8 3 1 0 0 122
Ben Reid 9 6 15 6 0 2 1 1 0 0 63
Paul Seedsman 4 6 10 5 0 2 0 2 0 0 41
Heath Shaw 13 1 14 6 0 3 1 2 0 0 66
Steele Sidebottom 14 10 24 5 0 2 0 0 0 0 85
Ben Sinclair 5 4 9 3 0 1 0 1 0 1 34
Dane Swan 19 13 32 6 0 3 0 0 0 3 116
Chris Tarrant 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
Dale Thomas 10 6 16 4 0 4 0 1 3 0 85
Alan Toovey 6 6 12 2 0 3 2 2 0 0 44
TOTALS 207 142 349 100 27 51 18 20 12 10 1476
DIFFERENCE -27 -51 -78 -33 -6 +4 -2 +2 +4 -3 -259
RICHMOND
Player Name K H D M HO T FF FA G B DT
Jake Batchelor 13 10 23 9 0 2 0 1 0 0 91
Reece Conca 14 7 21 9 1 0 0 2 1 1 85
Trent Cotchin 14 12 26 4 0 2 2 0 0 0 88
Brett Deledio 17 18 35 5 2 5 3 0 2 1 140
Shane Edwards 8 9 17 2 0 0 0 2 1 1 49
Brandon Ellis 10 8 18 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 61
Nathan Foley 7 7 14 3 0 7 0 0 0 0 72
Shaun Grigg 12 18 30 8 3 1 1 1 0 1 102
Dylan Grimes 14 6 20 12 0 2 0 0 0 0 98
Bachar Houli 16 10 26 9 0 6 1 0 0 1 121
Daniel Jackson 11 7 18 4 0 1 0 2 0 0 57
Jake King 2 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 13
Ivan Maric 4 7 11 4 18 2 1 0 0 1 66
Dustin Martin 13 8 21 4 0 3 1 2 0 1 75
Brad Miller 5 2 7 5 0 0 1 0 4 1 60
Steven Morris 10 11 21 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 77
Robin Nahas 3 9 12 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 48
Chris Newman 18 7 25 15 0 2 1 1 0 0 119
Alex Rance 21 13 34 17 0 0 4 2 0 0 138
Jack Riewoldt 8 4 12 2 0 0 1 3 0 3 33
Shane Tuck 11 14 25 5 1 6 1 2 0 0 96
Tyrone Vickery 3 4 7 2 8 3 1 0 0 2 46
TOTALS 234 193 427 133 33 47 20 18 8 13 1735
DIFFERENCE +27 +51 +78 +33 +6 -4 +2 -2 -4 +3 +259
Stats mean nothing, we overused the ball going sideways & back again, backwards often, just like the skunks used too play 18 years ago. we would have had higher stats had we not lost the ball easy.
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Can anyone explain how our zonal defence system is supposed to work when the opposition is kicking out from goal? It seemed especially obvious last night that either its not being executed properly or its a dud tactic. The Magpies seemed to be able to find an unmarked player time after time but at the other end of the ground we had to resort to playing on from the kick out and then kick to a 50/50 marking contest. Surely this is something that would have been worked on during the off season but they still don't seem to have mastered it. :banghead
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Yeah our zone is pooe atm. We take an hour to get it out the back half when kicking out. The opposition do what they please when they kick out
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its very simple to see when your watching the game.
Every Richmond player stands 10 metres away from his opponant when the opposition is kicking in. Its called standing in your own zone while everyone runs rings around you.
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its very simple to see when your watching the game.
Every Richmond player stands 10 metres away from his opponant when the opposition is kicking in. Its called standing in your own zone while everyone runs rings around you.
Dead right, at the moment they are as the commentators said "witches hats"!!!!!
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its very simple to see when your watching the game.
Every Richmond player stands 10 metres away from his opponant when the opposition is kicking in. Its called standing in your own zone while everyone runs rings around you.
Dead right, at the moment they are as the commentators said "witches hats"!!!!!
can you imagine what other clubs are thinking when building thier game plan against us.
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its very simple to see when your watching the game.
Every Richmond player stands 10 metres away from his opponant when the opposition is kicking in. Its called standing in your own zone while everyone runs rings around you.
Dead right, at the moment they are as the commentators said "witches hats"!!!!!
can you imagine what other clubs are thinking when building thier game plan against us.
Probably do it in the pub full of booze peeing themselves laughing..half cut.
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sounds like someone is making excuses......
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Major issues on opposition kicks ins is that we aren't quick enough to press up.thus it fails
Some players don't seem to understand where they have to be
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it was quite amazing really,watching us dither with out kickouts and how collingwood were mostly clean and pinpointed team mates with their kickouts...our dithering just placed so much pressure on all the lines up the ground
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it was quite amazing really,watching us dither with out kickouts and how collingwood were mostly clean and pinpointed team mates with their kickouts...our dithering just placed so much pressure on all the lines up the ground
Yep, doing the same as we did 2 years ago....going backwards....have not improved in this are at all...opposition teams thrive on us in this area!
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it was quite amazing really,watching us dither with out kickouts and how collingwood were mostly clean and pinpointed team mates with their kickouts...our dithering just placed so much pressure on all the lines up the ground
Hooray someone seen the problem, why cant the coaches see that & fix that problem during the game :banghead
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what r u blokes on about? our kickins were fine, we played on quick and never let them set their zone ::) defending them though, thats another story, players dont think quick enough re common sense and just worry about their space rather than looking a step ahead and realising there is only one place they are likely to go.
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
It was their gate, stuff em
I agree with Tony Montana, we dont get any benefit as a club, all we have ever done on these games is stick money into Collingwoods coffers by attending their home game. Fuckem. They were expecting 75k they got 57k and theyve taken a hit to their budgets. Well Done Tiger Supporters!
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
It was their gate, stuff em
I agree with Tony Montana, we dont get any benefit as a club, all we have ever done on these games is stick money into Collingwoods coffers by attending their home game. stuffem. They were expecting 75k they got 57k and theyve taken a hit to their budgets. Well Done Tiger Supporters!
X3
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sounds like someone is making excuses......
:lol
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halftime supporters
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
It was their gate, stuff em
Correct. And IIRC it was Collingwood who didn't want to enter into a shared gate arrangement.
So I applaud those who stayed at home :clapping
are you serious wanting supporters to stay home when the club needs support at games. 57k & l swear 47 were them. pathetic
Don't worry about the tiger fans not turning up
Pies go on and on about having 70k members yet all they got to their 1st home game of the season was a crowd of just on 58k
So if 47k of them last were pies supporters where were their remaining 23k members?
:rollin
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Pets aren't allowed entry to the G
Although a few ferals find there way in
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I thought Batch, Rance and Concs played good games. I saw a different kind of defensive approach in this game. We didn't get flogged except that patch where we let them kick a spurt of goals. Barring that and some of our own yips around goal we were right in it. Was particularly rapt with Batch and Rance. We are running into form, we get to whip these bastards later in the year no sweat, stop sookin.
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Richmond supporters have an obligation to 1) buy a membership or 2) attend home games. We do not have an obligation to stick money into collingwoods, carltons or essendons coffers by attending their home game. Stuff em. This is war. ;D
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Richmond supporters have an obligation to 1) buy a membership or 2) attend home games. We do not have an obligation to stick money into collingwoods, carltons or essendons coffers by attending their home game. Stuff em. This is war. ;D
This is VPL stuff Flagman. :lol :rollin :lol
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I personally think our chaps didnt turn up..our infinite wise football club pumped up our masses to a thundering crescendo for the first game and once the tyre was deflated ,our supporters ran off to play hooky
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the media and the supporters themselves, particularly those on the interweb forums pumped us, not the club.
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Al you dont think that anouncing the re appointment of hardwick and re signing of Lids in the week or so prior to the first game added to the hype?.In hindsight would it have been better to keep both those announcements under our hats for maybe a week or so.....as i said in hindsight its easy to say this.
i mention this because if my memory serves me last year prior to the first game when we had our big fundraiser i think quite a few other club officials remarked that it seemed poor timing by richmond to do this only days from the first game
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it may have added to the hype, yeah, but it didnt really send a message about how good we would be. It was actually smart marketing in getting memberships.
Most of the high expectations came from the media, and forum posters believing their own BS about how good we are, but it was really just wishfull thinking
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sure was wishfull thinking....i guess being sat upon for so many years ,we will cling to even the smallest bit of hope and play it for all its worth...anyway enough of this now..the first game is now long gone
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Not there yet
By Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
Tue 10 Apr, 2012
WHEN Richmond goes to sleep, it sleeps like a log.
Saturday night's Collingwood-Richmond game was decided in eight minutes of Tiger slumber.
Fifteen Collingwood players touched the ball in that period, compared to seven Tigers.
The Magpies had 18 kicks to Richmond's two, six inside 50s to none, two tackles to none, 13 contested possessions to four, five centre clearances to one.
In response, the Tigers had five handballs compared to Collingwood's two. Three of those handballs were made under such serious pressure they were rendered ineffective.
During those eight minutes, Collingwood kicked five goals to zero.
Damien Hardwick admitted after the game he nearly took the 'break glass in case of emergency' option as his frustration built inside the coaches box.
What happened?
It would be easy to say Collingwood just switched it on, but that would be a simple answer.
It wasn't kicking either: the Tigers only had two kicks during the period.
To be honest, arguing that Richmond can't kick is old-fashioned thinking.
What hurt Richmond were multiple defensive errors and an inability to win contests.
That's not knocking Richmond. They try their heart out under Hardwick.
It's just that such errors are often what separates the 'trying to be good' teams from the 'good' teams.
Dale Thomas, Travis Cloke and Alex Fasolo made them pay for mistakes on the scoreboard.
Examining the first goal after half-time in isolation proves the point. Darren Jolly tapped the ball into space but a Richmond player, Shaun Grigg, was first to arrive.
Then in 14 seconds a series of mistakes cost the Tigers.
Mistake one: His teammate, second-gamer Brandon Ellis, tried to line up Thomas to bump him but the Collingwood star evaded contact. Ellis had run past the contest and left both Thomas and his opponent Steele Sidebottom active in space.
Mistake two: Chris Newman overcommitted in his effort to help Grigg, following in the tackler Jarryd Blair off the line and creating space in between the centre and the 50-metre line.
Mistake three: The situation was dangerous only if Grigg released the ball out wide. That is exactly what he did. He did not protect the ball or keep it locked in. He made 'a Hail Mary handball' into space and gave his opponent Thomas a chance to get back into the action.
Mistake four: Thomas pounced on the loose ball, broke a Newman tackle and bounded through the centre to kick a long goal.
No wonder Australian hockey coach Ric Charlesworth says every goal conceded by teams he coaches comes about because the team makes five consecutive mistakes.
No wonder defence is an ethos most coaches espouse.
Good teams have senior players in the middle that hit back hard immediately in such circumstances.
Collingwood's starting four for the second bounce, however, had an average of 166 games experience compared to the Tigers' 88 games and an average age of 26 years and 213 days compared to Richmond's 25 years and 138 days.
The experienced Magpies surged before the inexperienced Tigers hit back.
A second clearance that led to goal number two came because 24-year-old Thomas (185cm and 86kg) was left untouched at the stoppage after hunting the ball hard and the just turned 22-year-old Cotchin (185cm and 83kg), preoccupied with Luke Ball, missed a tackle.
The rest of the onslaught followed a similar pattern to the first. Collingwood just won contest after contest after contest. Richmond did not have a senior player or experienced superstar to change the flow.
After eight minutes of it, the Magpies were eight goals up.
Several alarms went off but Richmond could not find the off button.
Cotchin said post-game the young team needed to get better at making decisions quicker in such circumstances: "We just needed to come up with a strategy," he said. "We made a move I think five or six minutes into it which helped us steady the flow."
Once the move was made Richmond outscored Collingwood eight points to zero in the next eight minutes.
It started winning contests - 10 contested possessions to seven, 17 kicks each, 21 handballs to 16, six inside 50s to two.
The game became an even contest again. But the game was over.
"That was the disappointing thing," said Hardwick after the game. "Our good players, the players we expect to lead from the front, just fell a little bit short in that area in that period of the game and effectively cost us the game."
In the opening round the same sleeplessness occurred as Carlton took over at the five-minute mark of the last quarter.
When the game was up for grabs between the five and 10-minute mark of that quarter, the Blues had eight contested possessions to Richmond's three.
With a goal the difference during that time, the Blues won a fierce battle for the ball at Richmond's half-forward line. Carlton rushed the ball forward and kicked a goal.
Missed tackles again cost the Tigers a minute later as the Blues' Chris Yarran found a path around the boundary line (or over the fence depending on which team you were barracking for) to kick a brilliant goal. This came after Carlton was too strong in the middle at the clearance.
The Tigers hardly made a mistake (just one ineffective kick and one ineffective handball) during the five-minute period when the game was up for grabs but they could not win the ball when it was there to be won.
As confidence grew, Carlton kicked five goals to one from the 10 minute mark until the siren and won 28 contested possessions to Richmond's 16 in the same period. Carlton had 15 players win a contested possession whereas Richmond had 11.
It's what makes coaching tough. Hardwick knows improvement is happening. He understands what he means when he talks of the difference more mature, bigger bodies can make.
But for five or 10 minutes each week we are reminded that while the Tigers are improving, they are just not there yet.
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/2012/Round-2-Eight-minutes-update.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132655/default.aspx
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It's consecutive goals that kill us. Runs ons by the opposition.
The filth kicked 6 of the last 7 in round 1.
The scums kicked 7 in a row if you include the two before half time to the 5 mentioned goals in the first 8 minutes of the third.
For those with long memories even the toffs kicked 7 goals to one in the third quarter in our round 20 match last year.
If we can eradicate this trend it helps us stay in games longer and hopefully pinch and if races for 8th spot are anything to go by % will be all the more important considering Nought kicked the sweep against the Giants and Essendon are playing the Suns this week who they beat by 139 points last year. :help
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
It was their gate, stuff em
Correct. And IIRC it was Collingwood who didn't want to enter into a shared gate arrangement.
So I applaud those who stayed at home :clapping
are you serious wanting supporters to stay home when the club needs support at games. 57k & l swear 47 were them. pathetic
Don't worry about the tiger fans not turning up
Pies go on and on about having 70k members yet all they got to their 1st home game of the season was a crowd of just on 58k
So if 47k of them last were pies supporters where were their remaining 23k members?
:rollin
I was not at the game on Saturday. I opted to upgrade my membership to reserved seat this season at the expense of the 'away' games.
I had offers from a few mates and my brother (all Collingwood fans) to go in with them, but decided against because it would literally be putting money into Collingwood.
Watched the game at home enjoying some CC and Cola. ;D
Just putting it out there, because I think a few would be in the same boat as myself.
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Darren Jolly is a girl
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Not there yet
By Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
Tue 10 Apr, 2012
WHEN Richmond goes to sleep, it sleeps like a log.
Saturday night's Collingwood-Richmond game was decided in eight minutes of Tiger slumber.
Fifteen Collingwood players touched the ball in that period, compared to seven Tigers.
The Magpies had 18 kicks to Richmond's two, six inside 50s to none, two tackles to none, 13 contested possessions to four, five centre clearances to one.
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But for five or 10 minutes each week we are reminded that while the Tigers are improving, they are just not there yet.
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/2012/Round-2-Eight-minutes-update.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132655/default.aspx
good to read things written by people who have knowledge and write about what happens rather than just rehash old perceptions.
the quote about rick charlesworth and five consecutive mistakes is interesting. obviously in a free scoring game like aussie rules it wouldnt be 5, but the same principle probably still applies
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1 other thing that really made me think where we are at, Any Tiger supporter who was able to go to the game & didnot show up is a bloody disgrace, The Tiger supporters were very few last night of just over 57,000+ just going off the past years going to these games is the lowest crowd. The Tiger army l couldnot even hear. We are a club with non-game football supporters
It was their gate, stuff em
Correct. And IIRC it was Collingwood who didn't want to enter into a shared gate arrangement.
So I applaud those who stayed at home :clapping
are you serious wanting supporters to stay home when the club needs support at games. 57k & l swear 47 were them. pathetic
Don't worry about the tiger fans not turning up
Pies go on and on about having 70k members yet all they got to their 1st home game of the season was a crowd of just on 58k
So if 47k of them last were pies supporters where were their remaining 23k members?
:rollin
I was not at the game on Saturday. I opted to upgrade my membership to reserved seat this season at the expense of the 'away' games.
I had offers from a few mates and my brother (all Collingwood fans) to go in with them, but decided against because it would literally be putting money into Collingwood.
Watched the game at home enjoying some CC and Cola. ;D
Just putting it out there, because I think a few would be in the same boat as myself.
I pay for a 16 game membership with home game reserved seating.
That way my money goes to the RFC and all I have to do for 5 away games is find a seat which unfortunantely on Saturday night was in the vicinity of a some extremely vocal scum fans who had a personal vendetta on everything associated with normal human existence and acceptable social standards.
Ahh the luxuries of my reserved seat on Saturday and sitting with the Tiger faithful at the tin sheep shearing shed on Sunday week. :lol :rollin :lol
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15 games this year isn't it :outtahere :rollin
That was an option, but I couldn't sway the better half into accepting it. Maybe next season . . . :cheers
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Yes but bought tix to the tin shed for next week to make it 16. :thumbsup
Decided to upgrade a few years ago and was the best thing I did with my membership. :thumbsup
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Al, interesting stat. What was the quote of Rick Charlesworth?
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No wonder Australian hockey coach Ric Charlesworth says every goal conceded by teams he coaches comes about because the team makes five consecutive mistakes.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg291092#msg291092
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I find these types of articles funny. 'Everyone is a genius in hindsight' as the old saying goes and this is exactly the case with retrospective article. You can break down any close game and pinpoint the mistakes that cost a team the game. Ours is probably easier to put your finger on because, besides that 6-8 minute period, the contest was even. When it all comes down to it though, good teams find a way to win in tight contests while young teams often find a way to lose. Consistency and sustained concentration is the elusive goal every developing team is working towards.
No real earth shattering revelations here really.
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No wonder Australian hockey coach Ric Charlesworth says every goal conceded by teams he coaches comes about because the team makes five consecutive mistakes.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg291092#msg291092
Der :wallywink
Didn't not read that page! Thanks Al.
Stripes, while that may be true at least the article makes an effort to paint a real context as to why we are losing games. As opposed to the throw away lines of Turnover Tigers etc etc which are used by journos who have a deadline to make or couldn't be bothered providing ANY insight.
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......or are incapable of providing any insight
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3aw tonight mentioned that 40% of Collingwood's score came from centre bounce clearances :help. The comp. average is 13%. Malthouse said if Pendlebury, Ball and Swan had kicked running goals then you could blame our mids but it was Collingwood's forwards kicking the goals so he blamed our defence for leaking like a sieve.
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carltank giving scumwood a bath, so maybe round one we were not that bad just fell away at the end
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carltank giving scumwood a bath, so maybe round one we were not that bad just fell away at the end
Kreuzer and Hampson ripping Jolly and Woods apart. Their clearances are blowing them away too. Ivan and our mids competed well against this unit. We haven't struggled out of the blocks all pre-season and last two weeks like we did last year. Carlton didn't run away from us until the last half of the 4th quarter, and if they're flag contenders I think we've done pretty well the first two rounds. If we explode out of the blocks tomorrow in similar fashion then we'll have the game wrapped up by half time.
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Whats happened to the Pies?
Dane Swan ate them all.
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Whats happened to the Pies?
Dane Swan ate them all.
lol....swan is turning into there Jackson, if only Jackson could turn into swan......
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Whats happened to the Pies?
Dane Swan ate them all.
lol....swan is turning into there Jackson, if only Jackson could turn into swan......
OMG JACKSON IS UGLY DUCKLING AND WILL TURN INTO BEAUTIFUL SCHWAN!
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Whats happened to the Pies?
Dane Swan ate them all.
lol....swan is turning into there Jackson, if only Jackson could turn into swan......
OMG JACKSON IS UGLY DUCKLING AND WILL TURN INTO BEAUTIFUL SCHWAN!
lol....just a pity he hatched 8 years ago, plays like he's still covered in down though.....
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Carlton spanked the pies a lot harder than they did us which tells me we aren't that bad.
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Carlton spanked the pies a lot harder than they did us which tells me we aren't that bad.
Draw a longer bow champ :lol
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If we had kicked straight in the first half we may have been able to put some scoreboard pressure on them and then anything could've have happened after half-time. However if... would've... could've ... means nothing when we kick 2.10 ::) after missing early gettable goals against Carlton as well. The Pies have come back closer to the chasing pack and we still have a fair way to go. If we have truly improved we'll eventually put Melbourne to the sword over the 4 quarters today.
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Carlton spanked the pies a lot harder than they did us which tells me we aren't that bad.
Owl, please refer to the "No Excuses" policy/thread before posting like this. Thanks.
;D
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If we had kicked straight in the first half we may have been able to put some scoreboard pressure on them and then anything could've have happened after half-time. However if... would've... could've ... means nothing when we kick 2.10 ::) after missing early gettable goals against Carlton as well. The Pies have come back closer to the chasing pack and we still have a fair way to go. If we have truly improved we'll eventually put Melbourne to the sword over the 4 quarters today.
neither West coast of Brisbane put melbourne to the sword over the whole 4 quarters, so i dont expect us to, but i do expect us to have done so by the end of the game.
If we can get a jump on them early and not drop of because we think it will be easy we may do so, but i expect them to throw everything they have at us early, and we need to absorb it.
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If we had kicked straight in the first half we may have been able to put some scoreboard pressure on them and then anything could've have happened after half-time. However if... would've... could've ... means nothing when we kick 2.10 ::) after missing early gettable goals against Carlton as well. The Pies have come back closer to the chasing pack and we still have a fair way to go. If we have truly improved we'll eventually put Melbourne to the sword over the 4 quarters today.
neither West coast of Brisbane put melbourne to the sword over the whole 4 quarters, so i dont expect us to, but i do expect us to have done so by the end of the game.
If we can get a jump on them early and not drop of because we think it will be easy we may do so, but i expect them to throw everything they have at us early, and we need to absorb it.
True Al but we should still start well - as we did vs Carlton and Collingwood which gives us the opportunity to break them early.
My gut feel says we won't but it would be nice :pray and take the whites out of my knuckles :cheers
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Carlton spanked the pies a lot harder than they did us which tells me we aren't that bad.
Draw a longer bow champ :lol
No this is adequate, Next time we play them we will shellack them.
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We need to stop carlton aboriginal bridage in the future