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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on October 09, 2004, 04:12:26 AM
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Is it possible to get out-of-contract Patrick Bowden into the National draft and pick him up under the F/S rule using our pick #36?
I didn't think so but SEN yesterday didn't give a definite answer when someone brought it up. That would then still leave us with our PSD pick to get say a Salopek.
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Is it possible to get out-of-contract Patrick Bowden into the National draft and pick him up under the F/S rule using our pick #36?
No we cant MT - it is the PSD or nothing.
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I thought they said no, we couldn't pick him up - shame!
I heard that convo and they also said Richmond couldn't go for a good player because of salary cap restrictions - but Greg knocked that theory on the head by saying it wasn't salary cap but budgetary reasons they wouldn't go for a player - but they may reconsider their position :-)
Who's better? Gilbee or Bowden
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Who's better? Gilbee or Bowden
Doesnt really matter Froars,
Gilbee is contracted for next season and will be playing with the dogs.
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Thanks Bully - then Bowden it is ;D
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Is it possible to get out-of-contract Patrick Bowden into the National draft and pick him up under the F/S rule using our pick #36?
Not positive but I don't think Mike played 100 games MT, so even if it was a loop hole we couldn't use it because Patrick is not eligible for F/S. It was changed from 50 to 100 after Sean and Joel were taken under it. (And Rhett?)
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Is it possible to get out-of-contract Patrick Bowden into the National draft and pick him up under the F/S rule using our pick #36?
Not positive but I don't think Mike played 100 games MT, so even if it was a loop hole we couldn't use it because Patrick is not eligible for F/S. It was changed from 50 to 100 after Sean and Joel were taken under it. (And Rhett?)
Quite tight FF he only played 57 - Sean played for us, Rhett played for Port Melbourne.
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Still unable to get him either way.
Can only be taken under father son when he is first drafted. If the club doesnt take the option when they are first eligible then they miss out.
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Is it possible to get out-of-contract Patrick Bowden into the National draft and pick him up under the F/S rule using our pick #36?
I didn't think so but SEN yesterday didn't give a definite answer when someone brought it up. That would then still leave us with our PSD pick to get say a Salopek.
Why is there a need to pick him under the f/s rule. We could get him to nominate for the NATIONAL draft, put a price on his head and take him at 36 anyway (exactly the same as what we did with Morrison last year.
Bulldogs would have to agree to delist him though.
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Is it possible to get out-of-contract Patrick Bowden into the National draft and pick him up under the F/S rule using our pick #36?
I didn't think so but SEN yesterday didn't give a definite answer when someone brought it up. That would then still leave us with our PSD pick to get say a Salopek.
Why is there a need to pick him under the f/s rule. We could get him to nominate for the NATIONAL draft, put a price on his head and take him at 36 anyway (exactly the same as what we did with Morrison last year.
Bulldogs would have to agree to delist him though.
Too risky, someone else would grab him for sure.
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Bowden points Patrick at Punt Road
4:00:26 PM Sat 9 October, 2004
Matt Burgan
Sportal
2004 Jack Dyer Medallist Joel Bowden is optimistic Richmond can secure his uncontracted younger brother Patrick via this year's pre-season draft, which will be held on December 14.
Bowden, who is set to represent Australia for the second time in the upcoming international rules series against Ireland, said there was a 'chance' Patrick, who has played 42 matches for the Western Bulldogs since 2001 could land at Punt Rd.
"It depends. It's up to the footy club. It'd be great for my family. It'd be great to have the two brothers playing at one club. That'd be really good and I think a lot of Richmond supporters would be happy at that," Bowden said, who was at the Australian camp at Lexus Centre on Saturday.
"I've spoken to a few (supporters) in the last few weeks and coming up to the trade, they've been saying - 'Are Richmond looking at Patrick?' and I'm saying - 'I'm not sure, it's up to them, it's not up to me', but they say - 'He should be playing at Richmond'.
"Because I'm there and my father played and my other brother played (at Richmond), there are a lot of tribal Richmond supporters who would like to see him there and that's good.
"If he makes the decision to move across, it'll be greeted with a bit of joy and a bit of happiness, instead of sometimes (when) people get traded and they go to a club that's (got) big expectations or there's large sums of money involved.
"In this case, there are not large sums of money involved (and) it's not a deal where he's walking out on a club.
"Whatever happens, I think if he plays at the Bulldogs next year, he's certainly going to be good player for them and be happy to play there, but if he was to come to Richmond, I'd be very happy and I don't think be any bad blood or any bad sentiment against him."
Bowden said the Tigers acquisition of former Fremantle ruckman/forward Troy Simmonds via the trading period meant that it helped his brother's cause to be picked up by Richmond in the December draft.
"If Richmond does decide to go that way, which I hope they do, but it's up to them, he's an option for their first pick (in the pre-season draft)," Bowden said.
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Bowdens may unite at Punt Rd
By Peter Ker
October 10, 2004
The chances of out-of-contract Bulldog Patrick Bowden joining Richmond have soared in the past 48 hours, but brother Joel won't be pressuring the club to make it happen.
A Bowden family reunion at Richmond became a distinct possibility on Friday when the Tigers finally secured a trade for Fremantle ruckman Troy Simmonds.
That trade meant the club was free to use its first pre-season draft pick on another uncontracted player and Patrick has emerged as a likely target should the Bulldogs fail to strike a new deal with the 23-year-old.
"It would be great for my family, it would be great to have the two brothers playing at the one club," Joel said.
"I'm there and my father played and my other brother played (there), so there's a lot of tribal Richmond supporters who would like to see him there. And that's good because, if he makes the decision to come across, then it would be greeted with a bit of joy and a bit of happiness . . . it's not a deal where he is walking out on the club or anything like that."
Richmond's ability to fit an uncontracted player under the salary cap also will be a factor, though the departure of Brad Ottens may have helped in that department.
Joel said he did not know what his brother's plans were and would not be trying to influence the club's decision.
"If he plays at the Bulldogs next year, he is certainly going to be a good player for them and be happy to play there," he said. "If he wants to come to Richmond, I would be very happy. I don't think there'd be any bad blood or any bad sentiment against him."
Joel said he expected Richmond to feel like a new club when he returned from the international rules tour of Ireland.
"A change is going to be good," he said.
"I dropped in there this morning to pick up my footy boots. It has been repainted, there is only one person left from the football side of things . . . we've got a new coach, a new assistant coach . . . so it would be like going to a new club - same address and same colours, but a new club."
http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/10/09/1097261860434.html
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Whatever happens I hope we take the best available with all our picks whether they be the National draft or the PSD. If that's Patrick then well and good and a bonus for Joel.
"I dropped in there this morning to pick up my footy boots. It has been repainted, there is only one person left from the football side of things . . . we've got a new coach, a new assistant coach . . . so it would be like going to a new club - same address and same colours, but a new club."
Funny how Brad didn't see it that way ::). Maybe his vision was obscured by the $$$ signs.
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Patrick Bowden is a slightly classier Adam Houlihan. Soft as butter!
He's 23 years old and has hardly shown a thing!
I would hope there would be soething better on offer than him.
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Agree with JohnHowardF
Patrick Bowden is slow and soft !!
Salopek is the guy I want.
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Playing hardball on Bowden
12 October 2004
Herald Sun
Mark Stevens
THE Western Bulldogs will play hardball on Patrick Bowden after knocking back an ambitious offer from Richmond on the final day of trading.
Richmond, knowing it had the option of nabbing Bowden with the first pick in the pre-season draft, offered pick 36 in return for Bowden and the Dogs' pick 38.
The Dogs quickly dismissed the deal, preferring to live in danger of losing Bowden to the pre-season draft than buckling for the sake of climbing two places in the national draft.
Although the Dogs would receive no immediate compensation if Bowden walked to the Tigers, there is a positive in the forward heading into the draft for uncontracted players.
If Richmond commits to Bowden, the Dogs would move up the batting order and have the second live pick in the pre-season draft.
The Dogs will meet tomorrow morning to discuss their stance on Bowden before having further talks with his manager Paul Connors.
"We'll let the dust settle and sit down and have a chat to see where it's at," Bulldogs recruiting manager Scott Clayton said yesterday.
It is believed the offer put to Bowden by the Dogs is significantly short of his asking price.
The Dogs resume training on November 1, but there is no guarantee the status of Bowden will become any clearer before then.
His manager Connors leaves on a break on Thursday and will not return until November 1.
Bowden has until November 30 to nominate for the pre-season draft.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11046288%255E20322,00.html
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Agree with JohnHowardF
Patrick Bowden is slow and soft !!
Salopek is the guy I want.
I won't lie to the Australia public, I think Pat Bowden is a marvellous player!
In all seriousness, if there is any hope whatsoever in getting Salopek we must move on it. Pat Bowden is a player who has about two/three years left of AFL footy.
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Don't see how the Dogs can claim they are playing hardball with us when what they do with Pat Bowden doesn't affect us one iota. Although the deals involving Ty and Pat Bowden were similar we had the advantage of Ty still being contracted for another year. So he couldn't walk.
By the end of November we'll know who's available in the PSD. If someone "better" is available then we'll choose them otherwise we pick up Joel's brother for nothing and the Dogs would have given him away for zip. Either way we can't lose.