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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Francois Jackson on January 27, 2011, 04:39:42 PM
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Now this is an absolute joke this new Tax because as we know with all new taxes its here to stay.
Why cant we reduce our offshore payments for a start instead of further putting families at risk of bankrupcy.
Its a farce and Gillard is becoming one also. She is gawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn by next election
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Do I like it = NO
Agree about your comment about foreign aid daniel ... but bankruptcy ... please give me a break
I don't think an extra $50 a year for someone on what was it $50k a year is going to send people to the wall. As one of the news sites said it's a couple of slabs or what some people will spend on smokes in a week ;D
Personally I'll be paying a fair bit more than $50 and if it's going to help rebuild people's lives then so be it.
At the end of the day it needs to be done, let's get it done and if in the process some of these half baked "green" programs get pushed to one side then all the better ;D
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I dont trust this government with a flood levy or to spend value for money.
Cant wait to see the end of Gillard and Swan
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Do I like it = NO
Agree about your comment about foreign aid daniel ... but bankruptcy ... please give me a break
I don't think an extra $50 a year for someone on what was it $50k a year is going to send people to the wall. As one of the news sites said it's a couple of slabs or what some people will spend on smokes in a week ;D
Personally I'll be paying a fair bit more than $50 and if it's going to help rebuild people's lives then so be it.
At the end of the day it needs to be done, let's get it done and if in the process some of these half baked "green" programs get pushed to one side then all the better ;D
Its more than $50 id say its closer to $250 for people on a 50k salary.
Im sorry it doesn't need to be done, i mean using our money part of it.
Why cant they use their own money instead of asking us to fork out money just so they look good and keep their surplus.
This tax will more than likely last beyond a year and Gillard will last 2 and a bit. Labour are gone in a landslide.
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Its more than $50 id say its closer to $250 for people on a 50k salary. The HUN are
Only going by this:
How the flood levy will affect you January 27, 2011 - 1:48PM
How you will be affected:
- A levy of 0.5 per cent will apply on taxable incomes between $50,001 and $100,000.
- A levy of 1.0 per cent will apply on taxable incomes above $100,000.
- Flood victims will not pay the levy.em A person earning $60,000 a year will pay just under $1 extra per week under the levy.
- A person earning $100,000 a year will pay just under $5 extra per week under the levy.
- The levy will apply only in the 2011/12 financial year.
- It is expected to raise $1.8 billion.
What you will pay per week:
- $50,000 (income) - nil
- $55,000 - 48 cents
- $60,000 - 96 cents
- $65,000 - $1.44
- $70,000 - $1.92
- $75,000 - $2.40
- $80,000 - $2.88
- $90,000 - $3.85
- $100,000 - $4.81
- $110,000 - $6.73
- $120,000 - $8.65
- $130,000 - $10.58
- $140,000 - $12.50
- $150,000 - $14.42
- $160,000 - $16.35
- $170,000 - $18.27
- $180,000 - $20.19
- $200,000 - $24.04
AAP
Source: the age: http://www.theage.com.au/business/how-the-flood-levy-will-affect-you-20110127-1a69i.html?rand=1296096529860
Why cant they use their own money instead of asking us to fork out money just so they look good and keep their surplus.
hate to break it to you daniel but "their" money is "our" money ;D
They don't keep the surplus peopole will sook about that, they cut spend ing on essential items like defence, health, education people will sook about that...
It doesn't matter what they do or how they do it people aren't going to be happy it's the nature of the beast
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I have no problem giving up someting for these people - put myself in their shoes and I'd want life to get back to normal as soon as possible
It has to be paid one way or another
Either higher prices, which are a monty anyway or a levy
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Abbott said "The Howard government never had out of control spending,"
If they were so in control, why did they charge us levies for the gun buyback
Scum!
So he wants spending cuts instead
Would he care to name where the cuts should be - old age pensions? What Tony?
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Abbott said "The Howard government never had out of control spending,"
If they were so in control, why did they charge us levies for the gun buyback
Scum!
So he wants spending cuts instead
Would he care to name where the cuts should be - old age pensions? What Tony?
NBN.
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Abbott said "The Howard government never had out of control spending,"
If they were so in control, why did they charge us levies for the gun buyback
Scum!
So he wants spending cuts instead
Would he care to name where the cuts should be - old age pensions? What Tony?
NBN.
No doubt he'll put us all back on dial up!
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(re. the Libs and tax remember that Howard said, "never, never,' re. the GST.)
FFS this isn't a tax it's putting our arms around our fellow Australians and helping them out. It's bugger all considering what has been lost. Like it or not, in hard times hard measures need to be taken. Lots of people sat around tutt tutting watching the news. Well here's something positive for all of us to do.
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Just listening to the wireless and people are saying the shouldn't be "forced" to give and why should they pay the levy if they've already given.
Maybe that's part of the issue? What about people who can afford to donate the flood fund but haven't simply because they are tight bums? If this is going to make tham do then bloody well good
I know someone who earns lots and hasn't donated because they reckon it aint there problem. >:( This levy or tax will catch them and force them to help out = good ;D
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Just listening to the wireless and people are saying the shouldn't be "forced" to give and why should they pay the levy if they've already given.
Maybe that's part of the issue? What about people who can afford to donate the flood fund but haven't simply because they are tight bums? If this is going to make tham do then bloody well good
I know someone who earns lots and hasn't donated because they reckon it aint there problem. >:( This levy or tax will catch them and force them to help out = good ;D
What about those people that were going to donate but now wont because of this? There are lots of them
Regarding that person you know i find that actually quite sad to be honest and im glad people like have to fork out. Karma will come back and bite him one day
If i knew 100% this tax wouldnt continue beyond 12 months it wouldnt bother me as much but do we really know.
I cant trust any of them anymore. Libs are just as likely to raise GST when they take over in 3 years.
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What about those people that were going to donate but now wont because of this? There are lots of them
Understand your point daniel but to me at least those who are now not going to dontate because of the levy are on par with the person I know (btw no friend of mine just know them ;D) who can afford to donate but wont
Regarding that person you know i find that actually quite sad to be honest and im glad people like have to fork out. Karma will come back and bite him one day
Spot on :thumbsup
If i knew 100% this tax wouldnt continue beyond 12 months it wouldnt bother me as much but do we really know.
I cant trust any of them anymore. Libs are just as likely to raise GST when they take over in 3 years.
Yep in the end we can't but in this case we have no choice and they stuff this they are out the door
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One household on 1x 100k wage = you pay the tax ($250 odd)
One household on 2x 50k wage = you don't pay the tax.
Hmmm......
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One household on 1x 100k wage = you pay the tax ($250 odd)
One household on 2x 50k wage = you don't pay the tax.
Hmmm......
Get over it
Cut out one cigarette a day is all you need to do, or one latte less a week
I cannot believe all the effing crying going on about this
FFS
PS: There are two cyclones headed for Queensland. It's not over!
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Get over it
Cut out one cigarette a day is all you need to do, or one latte less a week
I cannot believe all the effing crying going on about this
FFS
PS: There are two cyclones headed for Queensland. It's not over!
Agree FNM
I am starting worry that we are turning into a nation of sooks & whingers
This levy is going to be around for a lousy 12 months, those who can afford it are the ones who are going to have to pay and get slugged the highest amount so let's just get on with it.
Push the politics to one side and let's start re-building.
This is a massive job and we all need to contribute in one way or another let's not lose sight of the FACT that there are people who have lost bloody everything and we have people sooking about having to contibute a a couple of bucks a day for 12 months ::) A little bit of perspective wouldn't go a stray
We should never forget that this is the best country in the world by a very long way for a reason. Hope people aren't losing sight of that
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stuff u people who are stingy bastards. We are all in this together u stuffin morons ::)
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Get over it
Cut out one cigarette a day is all you need to do, or one latte less a week
I cannot believe all the effing crying going on about this
FFS
PS: There are two cyclones headed for Queensland. It's not over!
Agree FNM
I am starting worry that we are turning into a nation of sooks & whingers
This levy is going to be around for a lousy 12 months, those who can afford it are the ones who are going to have to pay and get slugged the highest amount so let's just get on with it.
Push the politics to one side and let's start re-building.
This is a massive job and we all need to contribute in one way or another let's not lose sight of the FACT that there are people who have lost bloody everything and we have people sooking about having to contibute a a couple of bucks a day for 12 months ::) A little bit of perspective wouldn't go a stray
We should never forget that this is the best country in the world by a very long way for a reason. Hope people aren't losing sight of that
yep i agree only to happy to sacrafice a pleasure or two to help out others in their time of need goes round comes round
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One household on 1x 100k wage = you pay the tax ($250 odd)
One household on 2x 50k wage = you don't pay the tax.
Hmmm......
Get over it
Cut out one cigarette a day is all you need to do, or one latte less a week
I cannot believe all the effing crying going on about this
FFS
PS: There are two cyclones headed for Queensland. It's not over!
Nup. The only crying there will be is from local business owners near me. In case you didn't know, I have a nasty crack habit, coupled with an insatable thirst for lancing pros. The hairier the better.
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Abbott still can't accept the election result and is now crying and begging for the independents to hand over power to him but Tony Windsor then tells him to get stuffed :lol. I guess when your election promises contained a $7b hole or whatever it was you can always find another $1.8b worth of savings. You just make it all up out of thin air :wallywink. Or perhaps he can cut another $1b out of the health budget as he did as health minister. Phony Tony finally being exposed as a one trick pony who opposes just to oppose for his own personal gain. He wanted a $3.3b levy for his parental leave scheme but now opposes a levy half that size to reconstruct devastated regions that contribute 20% to our nation's GDP; plus all the other levies he supported - gun buy back, Ansett, East Timor, etc. Good luck keeping your large Queensland vote Tony! ::)
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Abbott still can't accept the election result and is now crying and begging for the independents to hand over power to him but Tony Windsor then tells him to get stuffed :lol. I guess when your election promises contained a $7b hole or whatever it was you can always find another $1.8b worth of savings. You just make it all up out of thin air :wallywink. Or perhaps he can cut another $1b out of the health budget as he did as health minister. Phony Tony finally being exposed as a one trick pony who opposes just to oppose for his own personal gain. He wanted a $3.3b levy for his parental leave scheme but now opposes a levy half that size to reconstruct devastated regions that contribute 20% to our nation's GDP; plus all the other levies he supported - gun buy back, Ansett, East Timor, etc. Good luck keeping your large Queensland vote Tony! ::)
MT your missing Tony's point - he doesn't impose taxes he & the party he prepresents imposes levies and there is a massive difference in Tony's world.
You need to remember his was going to be a "levy" to fund the Paid Parental Levy Scheme not a tax. All the other things you mentioned again they were "levies" as opposed to "taxes" :P
Where as this "levy" for the floods is no a levy it is as "tax" because Tony says so and it suits his purprose ;D
There was one good thing that came out of yesterday's speech on the Gold Coast, it showed yet again that Tony hasn't learnt a thing since August 2010 and still lives with his born to rule mentality. He is still attacking people's character for the sake of it (the PM & The indies) and then in the next breath he is telling the Independants that they should hand over power to him and fauilure to do so brings into question their right to be in Parliment. Smooth Tony very smooth now is not the time for political point scoring ;D ;D.
I said it yesterday and I will say it again let's push the politics to one side and start re-building.
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How much again did the Howard/Abbott government give to the tsunami appeal?
Not that I'm against a donation, but it was whopping in comparison to other countries
Who are they to complain about a small levy FFS!
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One household on 1x 100k wage = you pay the tax ($250 odd)
One household on 2x 50k wage = you don't pay the tax.
Hmmm......
Get over it
Cut out one cigarette a day is all you need to do, or one latte less a week
I cannot believe all the effing crying going on about this
FFS
PS: There are two cyclones headed for Queensland. It's not over!
its got nothing to do with the floods you moron. We have given donations that go directly to the flood victims so dont crap on as if your the only one who cares about Queensland. Its the principal of the matter and who knows where this money goes or how long the tax will be around for. You can guarantee its more than a year.
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You had her at moron :whistle
In fact, those arguing the same point, eff all of you :thumbsup ;D
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One household on 1x 100k wage = you pay the tax ($250 odd)
One household on 2x 50k wage = you don't pay the tax.
Hmmm......
Get over it
Cut out one cigarette a day is all you need to do, or one latte less a week
I cannot believe all the effing crying going on about this
FFS
PS: There are two cyclones headed for Queensland. It's not over!
its got nothing to do with the floods you moron. We have given donations that go directly to the flood victims so dont crap on as if your the only one who cares about Queensland. Its the principal of the matter and who knows where this money goes or how long the tax will be around for. You can guarantee its more than a year.
What precisely is the principle? Check your spelling FW
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One household on 1x 100k wage = you pay the tax ($250 odd)
One household on 2x 50k wage = you don't pay the tax.
Hmmm......
Get over it
Cut out one cigarette a day is all you need to do, or one latte less a week
I cannot believe all the effing crying going on about this
FFS
PS: There are two cyclones headed for Queensland. It's not over!
its got nothing to do with the floods you moron. We have given donations that go directly to the flood victims so dont crap on as if your the only one who cares about Queensland. Its the principal of the matter and who knows where this money goes or how long the tax will be around for. You can guarantee its more than a year.
It's called money to go for roads and infrastructure destroyed by the floods - what planet are you on?
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GILLARD is the worst Prime Minister in Australian history. Rudd wasnt much better. The only person who labor has who can lead is Bill Shorten, the rest of them are rank amateurs.
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GILLARD is the worst Prime Minister in Australian history. Rudd wasnt much better. The only person who labor has who can lead is Bill Shorten, the rest of them are rank amateurs.
Wow !!! Big statement.
Let's see a full list, ranked from 1-27 a la the AFL draft with a pithy comment next to each
eg.
27. Gillard - Worst ever
26. Rudd - not much better than Gillard
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Wouldnt say Gillard is the worst PM in Australian history.
No doubt shes up there with the worst of them joining Whitlam and Rudd.
I think the main problem with Rudd and Gillard is that there not good sellers of there policy's. When you get down to it this flood levy isnt much but yet they've miss sold it and allowed the opposition to set the agenda just like with the rates issue involving the banks.
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Wouldnt say Gillard is the worst PM in Australian history.
No doubt shes up there with the worst of them joining Whitlam and Rudd.
I think the main problem with Rudd and Gillard is that there not good sellers of there policy's. When you get down to it this flood levy isnt much but yet they've miss sold it and allowed the opposition to set the agenda just like with the rates issue involving the banks.
Not at all.
Abbott is up their spruking yet he is Lilly white and his body language is anything butngenuine and caring. He has a mistrustful face.
No-one in QLD trusts a vanilla face.
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Wouldnt say Gillard is the worst PM in Australian history.
No doubt shes up there with the worst of them joining Whitlam and Rudd.
I think the main problem with Rudd and Gillard is that there not good sellers of there policy's. When you get down to it this flood levy isnt much but yet they've miss sold it and allowed the opposition to set the agenda just like with the rates issue involving the banks.
Not at all.
Abbott is up their spruking yet he is Lilly white and his body language is anything butngenuine and caring. He has a mistrustful face.
No-one in QLD trusts a vanilla face.
Labor are having to defend this levy on radio interviews and tv interviews due to liberals setting the agenda that there was enough savings in the budget to cover the costs of the rebuild.
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Gillard and Rudd dont hold a candle when compared to Whitlam in terms of legacy to the nation. Whitlam may have lead a rabble government but he left Australia with what is now known as Medicare and just for that he should be championed as having done something great in our country.
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10.5% unemployment, 21% interest rates, wage freezes, zero economic reform ......... welcome to the Fraser government with Howard as treasurer. Even Whitlam who got the sack didn't have Australia in such a mess although all were shockers. From 1968-83 Australia was poorly governed.
Gillard has her faults but sheesh you'd have to be deluded to say she's the worst PM ever. Australia has relatively low unemployment (half that of the USA), low debt of approx. 3% of GDP (Euros in the 10-20%, USA is near 30% and Japan 60% :o ) and a stable strong growing economy that avoided recession during the GFC thanks to the stimulus policy. Oh what terrible times :rollin.
Wouldnt say Gillard is the worst PM in Australian history.
No doubt shes up there with the worst of them joining Whitlam and Rudd.
I think the main problem with Rudd and Gillard is that there not good sellers of there policy's. When you get down to it this flood levy isnt much but yet they've miss sold it and allowed the opposition to set the agenda just like with the rates issue involving the banks.
Not at all.
Abbott is up their spruking yet he is Lilly white and his body language is anything butngenuine and caring. He has a mistrustful face.
No-one in QLD trusts a vanilla face.
Labor are having to defend this levy on radio interviews and tv interviews due to liberals setting the agenda that there was enough savings in the budget to cover the costs of the rebuild.
Abbott the other day told the Young Libs there's $1b "savings" available from the Murray water buy back scheme as it's no longer needed because there's plenty of water. I didn't realise this strong La Nina will remain forever and he could guarantee we'll never ever be in drought again nor see water overused ::). Once you take away the 10 second "just say no" tv soundbite, the guy is a simplistic imbecile. Always has been. I bet Turnbull and other Lib moderates are smiling on the inside knowing they'll have the chance soon to regain the Liberal leadership once Queensland turns on phoney Tony.
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10.5% unemployment, 21% interest rates, wage freezes, zero economic reform ......... welcome to the Fraser government with Howard as treasurer. Even Whitlam who got the sack didn't have Australia in such a mess although all were shockers. From 1968-83 Australia was poorly governed.
Gillard has her faults but sheesh you'd have to be deluded to say she's the worst PM ever. Australia has relatively low unemployment (half that of the USA), low debt of approx. 3% of GDP (Euros in the 10-20%, USA is near 30% and Japan 60% :o ) and a stable strong growing economy that avoided recession during the GFC thanks to the stimulus policy. Oh what terrible times :rollin.
Wouldnt say Gillard is the worst PM in Australian history.
No doubt shes up there with the worst of them joining Whitlam and Rudd.
I think the main problem with Rudd and Gillard is that there not good sellers of there policy's. When you get down to it this flood levy isnt much but yet they've miss sold it and allowed the opposition to set the agenda just like with the rates issue involving the banks.
Not at all.
Abbott is up their spruking yet he is Lilly white and his body language is anything butngenuine and caring. He has a mistrustful face.
No-one in QLD trusts a vanilla face.
Labor are having to defend this levy on radio interviews and tv interviews due to liberals setting the agenda that there was enough savings in the budget to cover the costs of the rebuild.
Abbott the other day told the Young Libs there's $1b "savings" available from the Murray water buy back scheme as it's no longer needed because there's plenty of water. I didn't realise this strong La Nina will remain forever and he could guarantee we'll never ever be in drought again nor see water overused ::). Once you take away the 10 second "just say no" tv soundbite, the guy is a simplistic imbecile. Always has been. I bet Turnbull and other Lib moderates are smiling on the inside knowing they'll have the chance soon to regain the Liberal leadership once Queensland turns on phoney Tony.
Hawke, Keating and Howard as PMs and primarily Keating and Costello as Treasurers gave Australia the economy we have today. Gillard and Rudd gave us insulation schemes and school halls which cost billions. Im sorry MT but Gillard and Rudd are not in there league. No where near it.
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10.5% unemployment, 21% interest rates, wage freezes, zero economic reform ......... welcome to the Fraser government with Howard as treasurer. Even Whitlam who got the sack didn't have Australia in such a mess although all were shockers. From 1968-83 Australia was poorly governed.
Gillard has her faults but sheesh you'd have to be deluded to say she's the worst PM ever. Australia has relatively low unemployment (half that of the USA), low debt of approx. 3% of GDP (Euros in the 10-20%, USA is near 30% and Japan 60% :o ) and a stable strong growing economy that avoided recession during the GFC thanks to the stimulus policy. Oh what terrible times :rollin.
Wouldnt say Gillard is the worst PM in Australian history.
No doubt shes up there with the worst of them joining Whitlam and Rudd.
I think the main problem with Rudd and Gillard is that there not good sellers of there policy's. When you get down to it this flood levy isnt much but yet they've miss sold it and allowed the opposition to set the agenda just like with the rates issue involving the banks.
Not at all.
Abbott is up their spruking yet he is Lilly white and his body language is anything butngenuine and caring. He has a mistrustful face.
No-one in QLD trusts a vanilla face.
Labor are having to defend this levy on radio interviews and tv interviews due to liberals setting the agenda that there was enough savings in the budget to cover the costs of the rebuild.
Abbott the other day told the Young Libs there's $1b "savings" available from the Murray water buy back scheme as it's no longer needed because there's plenty of water. I didn't realise this strong La Nina will remain forever and he could guarantee we'll never ever be in drought again nor see water overused ::). Once you take away the 10 second "just say no" tv soundbite, the guy is a simplistic imbecile. Always has been. I bet Turnbull and other Lib moderates are smiling on the inside knowing they'll have the chance soon to regain the Liberal leadership once Queensland turns on phoney Tony.
Hawke, Keating and Howard as PMs and primarily Keating and Costello as Treasurers gave Australia the economy we have today. Gillard and Rudd gave us insulation schemes and school halls which cost billions. Im sorry MT but Gillard and Rudd are not in there league. No where near it.
You would find any party in government at the moment would find it almost impossible to govern
Having to kowtow to the independents, let alone one of the biggest disasters in this country, I defy any party to get out of this pickle
Would have been better with another election!
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In times of disasters good leaders stand up and embrace the public and can pull everyone in one direction.
Yet Gillard has been unable to do any of this.
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In times of disasters good leaders stand up and embrace the public and can pull everyone in one direction.
Yet Gillard has been unable to do any of this.
If she had control of the Parliament maybe she could
She doesn't so wouldn't matter who was leader, the opposition would be doing the same crap as they're doing now
Oppose everything, not for what's good for the country but to cause more instability
They are the biggest hypocrites of all time
I hope Tony does get in by the end of the year and we'll see what he can do
He'll do exactly the same, introduce taxes in one form or another or probably cut pensions being the caring lot they are!
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In times of disasters good leaders stand up and embrace the public and can pull everyone in one direction.
Yet Gillard has been unable to do any of this.
If she had control of the Parliament maybe she could
She doesn't so wouldn't matter who was leader, the opposition would be doing the same crap as they're doing now
Oppose everything, not for what's good for the country but to cause more instability
They are the biggest hypocrites of all time
I hope Tony does get in by the end of the year and we'll see what he can do
He'll do exactly the same, introduce taxes in one form or another or probably cut pensions being the caring lot they are!
I put down Gillard not winning another majority Labor term as a failure.
2nd term governments should win majority.
I wonder what lessons Gillard and Swan will learn from the public reaction of this tax. So they dont make the same mistake when pushing a carbon tax through.
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In times of disasters good leaders stand up and embrace the public and can pull everyone in one direction.
Yet Gillard has been unable to do any of this.
If she had control of the Parliament maybe she could
She doesn't so wouldn't matter who was leader, the opposition would be doing the same crap as they're doing now
Oppose everything, not for what's good for the country but to cause more instability
They are the biggest hypocrites of all time
I hope Tony does get in by the end of the year and we'll see what he can do
He'll do exactly the same, introduce taxes in one form or another or probably cut pensions being the caring lot they are!
your probably right he will more than likely introduce another tax and say its a tax we had to have to fix up Labours mess.
Rudd was a far better leader than Gillard and would be doing a better job if he were still in power.
What he did while he was in power cannot be faulted. The insulation mess was a good idea just executed poorly.
Ditto $900. Great idea and was the best thing he did by a long way i dont care what any of you say
Gillard is a joke lets be honest here. I cringe when she speaks. She speaks poorly and is not a good leader.
Is she the worst? il let you oldies discuss that i wouldnt know
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Yeah, someone's accent is the criteria for good leadership ::)
Anyone heard of Bob Hawke?
FFS, the logic of some people! :banghead
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Daniel didn't say that. He said she speaks poorly and isn't a good leader.
What part of that isn't true ;) ;D
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Daniel didn't say that. He said she speaks poorly and isn't a good leader.
What part of that isn't true ;) ;D
She speaks fine to me, depends on how pathetic you are to find any sort of thing to moan and whinge about!
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Yeah, someone's accent is the criteria for good leadership ::)
Anyone heard of Bob Hawke?
FFS, the logic of some people! :banghead
yes and the logic of those people who said Tony Abbott isnt a good leader cause he wears budgie smugglers. I dont like the bloke at all but lets be serious who cares what he wears. I bet you were the first one to jump up and down and bag him.
i said she speaks poorly and is a poor leader. In a time when the country had their backs to the wall she could have stood up like Bligh has done but instead she proved once again she has absolutely no idea.
Bligh came into the Flood issue with her leadership in question. She will now remain in that position. Why??
It was the words that came out of her mouth to reassure Qld. For these people im sure it meant a lot than it did to you and i.
You must be kidding yourself if you think it matters little the way someone speaks and comes across. People want a leader not her.
Rudd was a better leader than Gillard
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100% agree with all you said daniel. She is a poorly spoken leader.
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yes and the logic of those people who said Tony Abbott isnt a good leader cause he wears budgie smugglers. I dont like the bloke at all but lets be serious who cares what he wears. I bet you were the first one to jump up and down and bag him.
Probably. But in the words of one of his own colleagues, Peter Costello, said he was an economics dill, so why would I trust him either in charge of our economy - and dear, why would anyone?
But forget what people say or what twang they have in their voices, the only thing that matters is unemployment levels are low, inflation is low and they're getting on with trying to rebuild a devastated Queensland and Victoria, yet they're being stopped by people who want to take some political mileage, while people up there are suffering. As I think MT said, Queenslanders will remember.
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I wonder how Costello would rate Gillard on economics :lol
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I wonder how Costello would rate Gillard on economics :lol
A lot better than Tony!
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I wonder how Costello would rate Gillard on economics :lol
Yep, she's terrible
Fancy asking for a levy from everyone, which will go towards the rebuilding of almost an entire state, the rebuilding of which will require people to be employed, creating wages and spending back into the economy, a la another stimulus package.
WTF was she thinking ::)
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Fundraising effort for the floods....errr LIberal Party coffers.
Interesting
http://www.email.swordcdc.com/t/ViewEmail/r/E0C4E554D2379407/F090A796BD06A087F6A1C87C670A6B9F
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10.5% unemployment, 21% interest rates, wage freezes, zero economic reform ......... welcome to the Fraser government with Howard as treasurer. Even Whitlam who got the sack didn't have Australia in such a mess although all were shockers. From 1968-83 Australia was poorly governed.
Gillard has her faults but sheesh you'd have to be deluded to say she's the worst PM ever. Australia has relatively low unemployment (half that of the USA), low debt of approx. 3% of GDP (Euros in the 10-20%, USA is near 30% and Japan 60% :o ) and a stable strong growing economy that avoided recession during the GFC thanks to the stimulus policy. Oh what terrible times :rollin.
Wouldnt say Gillard is the worst PM in Australian history.
No doubt shes up there with the worst of them joining Whitlam and Rudd.
I think the main problem with Rudd and Gillard is that there not good sellers of there policy's. When you get down to it this flood levy isnt much but yet they've miss sold it and allowed the opposition to set the agenda just like with the rates issue involving the banks.
Not at all.
Abbott is up their spruking yet he is Lilly white and his body language is anything butngenuine and caring. He has a mistrustful face.
No-one in QLD trusts a vanilla face.
Labor are having to defend this levy on radio interviews and tv interviews due to liberals setting the agenda that there was enough savings in the budget to cover the costs of the rebuild.
Abbott the other day told the Young Libs there's $1b "savings" available from the Murray water buy back scheme as it's no longer needed because there's plenty of water. I didn't realise this strong La Nina will remain forever and he could guarantee we'll never ever be in drought again nor see water overused ::). Once you take away the 10 second "just say no" tv soundbite, the guy is a simplistic imbecile. Always has been. I bet Turnbull and other Lib moderates are smiling on the inside knowing they'll have the chance soon to regain the Liberal leadership once Queensland turns on phoney Tony.
Hawke, Keating and Howard as PMs and primarily Keating and Costello as Treasurers gave Australia the economy we have today. Gillard and Rudd gave us insulation schemes and school halls which cost billions. Im sorry MT but Gillard and Rudd are not in there league. No where near it.
I never said they were but the argument put forward was that Gillard was the worst PM ever yet she is far from the worst based on the strong state of the economy and compared to other PMs records in office. She won't be voted out by her own electorate that's for sure ;).
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The current strength in the economy has nothing to do with policy's by Gillard.
Economy is stronge due to demand from other countrys for our minerals
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Even during the so called GEC?
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The current strength in the economy has nothing to do with policy's by Gillard.
Economy is stronge due to demand from other countrys for our minerals
Same when the Howard Government was in
A no brainer!
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The current strength in the economy has nothing to do with policy's by Gillard.
Economy is stronge due to demand from other countrys for our minerals
Same when the Howard Government was in
A no brainer!
I know I was telling Al. when he asked evening during the GFC
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Here's the great cognitive dissonance when it comes to taxation...
Would you expect your government to help you if you were on the receiving end of some bad luck? Yes!
Do you want to pay taxes? No!
Reason why? Well all you flat-tax Friedmanites can beat your chest all you like, but on deeper inspection you wouldn't be anywhere in this world without the public infrastructure provided to you by the taxes paid by your forebearers. So maybe you should just pay your taxes so that the next generation have the same privileges and shut up.....
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Here's the great cognitive dissonance when it comes to taxation...
Would you expect your government to help you if you were on the receiving end of some bad luck? Yes!
Do you want to pay taxes? No!
Reason why? Well all you flat-tax Friedmanites can beat your chest all you like, but on deeper inspection you wouldn't be anywhere in this world without the public infrastructure provided to you by the taxes paid by your forebearers. So maybe you should just pay your taxes so that the next generation have the same privileges and shut up.....
I understand what you are saying, but no person should just pay tax without question, public scrutiny is one of the benefits of democracy
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This Labor government is hopeless. Abbott and the Libs should be running the Government. I'm against excessive taxes and Labor is all about excessive taxes and tax hikes. Whenever theres a problem Labors first response, their default response is tax. We dont need that type of party in Government. Theyre hopeless.
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This Labor government is hopeless. Abbott and the Libs should be running the Government. I'm against excessive taxes and Labor is all about excessive taxes and tax hikes. Whenever theres a problem Labors first response, their default response is tax. We dont need that type of party in Government. Theyre hopeless.
You mean Abbott and his $3.3b levy for parental leave he wanted plus all the other levies and taxes the Libs introduced while in government :wallywink. Or how about Abbott asking for Liberal party donations to oppose the flood reconstruction efforts to help Queenslanders ::). What a loyal Australian he is ::) and god help us if he ever becomes PM :help.
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The only person in Labor at the moment who could run a proper government is Bill Shorten, the rest should go home and do some knitting or play some bowls. ;D
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The only person in Labor at the moment who could run a proper government is Bill Shorten, the rest should go home and do some knitting or play some bowls. ;D
That's one more than the Libs have ;D
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:lol
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This Labor government is hopeless. Abbott and the Libs should be running the Government. I'm against excessive taxes and Labor is all about excessive taxes and tax hikes. Whenever theres a problem Labors first response, their default response is tax. We dont need that type of party in Government. Theyre hopeless.
You mean Abbott and his $3.3b levy for parental leave he wanted plus all the other levies and taxes the Libs introduced while in government :wallywink. Or how about Abbott asking for Liberal party donations to oppose the flood reconstruction efforts to help Queenslanders ::). What a loyal Australian he is ::) and god help us if he ever becomes PM :help.
Or how about Abbott expecting companies to fork out for the paid parental leave scheme. :help
Libs need Joe Hockey are going nowhere with Tony we would be worse off had he got up last August.
Julia is about as inspiring as bathroom rug. The more I think about it the more Rudd did a better job.
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This Labor government is hopeless. Abbott and the Libs should be running the Government. I'm against excessive taxes and Labor is all about excessive taxes and tax hikes. Whenever theres a problem Labors first response, their default response is tax. We dont need that type of party in Government. Theyre hopeless.
You mean Abbott and his $3.3b levy for parental leave he wanted plus all the other levies and taxes the Libs introduced while in government :wallywink. Or how about Abbott asking for Liberal party donations to oppose the flood reconstruction efforts to help Queenslanders ::). What a loyal Australian he is ::) and god help us if he ever becomes PM :help.
Or how about Abbott expecting companies to fork out for the paid parental leave scheme. :help
Libs need Joe Hockey are going nowhere with Tony we would be worse off had he got up last August.
Julia is about as inspiring as bathroom rug. The more I think about it the more Rudd did a better job.
I have to agree about Julia even though I'm a fan of hers. She has been rather dull. Interesting though, she's fantastic in Parliament. I've done lots of doorstops with her over the years with the work I do, and she's great. Probably why I thought she'd be a good PM. But it's not happening. She needs to get into Parliament and fight like she normally does. She needs to loosen up and get into Tony a bit more. She's more than capable.
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The current strength in the economy has nothing to do with policy's by Gillard.
Economy is stronge due to demand from other countrys for our minerals
While China and India buying our minerals has been a boom for the economy for a decade or so it wouldn't have saved us alone from the GFC. Victoria for instance stayed very strong yet its economy isn't minerally based (more agriculture, service industries and part manufacturing). Without the stimulus measures Australia would've still gone into recession which would've impacted dramatically on Government revenues through falling consumer confidence and hence minimal retail spending resulting in mass job losses meaning less tax revenue and more government expenditure required in supporting the rising numbers of unemployed. Remember the predictions were for 10%+ unemployment without the stimulus measures. The problem with the anti-stimulus brigade of the opposition is that if we had followed the traditional cut expenditure heavily route to match falling government revenue (as Australia did during the Great Depression) it would've exacerbated the deflationary effects of the GFC and driven us not only into recession but into a deep recession. It would've been a disaster. The budget still would've been gone into deficit yet without a strong growing economy as we have now. Stimulus in layman's terms borrows more inflation to reduce unemployment. It was a perfectly valid solution to combat the deflationary effects of the GFC on Australia (The reason why Whitlam failed was that in the 70s due to the oil crisis we had a high inflationary environment so spending heavily as he did made inflation and hence the economy worse).
Anyway back on the topic it appears the majority of Aussies support the levy
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/majority-of-australians-support-julia-gillards-flood-levy/story-e6frf7l6-1226001112609
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Anyway back on the topic it appears the majority of Aussies support the levy
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/majority-of-australians-support-julia-gillards-flood-levy/story-e6frf7l6-1226001112609
Of course, most decent Australians support it. It's only the tight-assssed ones with so-called principles that don't!!! Oh, it's the effing principle lmao! Give me a break!
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The only person in Labor at the moment who could run a proper government is Bill Shorten, the rest should go home and do some knitting or play some bowls. ;D
Now this seems to be the most annoying predicament all Labor supporters have. When you support the 10 headed monster with all of its factions and agendas you can never be sure who will be leading it and for how long. Now that PM Gillard ousted Rudd due to a drop in the opinion polls she did it with the help of Shorten and Abib. Unfortunately for Gillard she has a lower opinion poll than Rudd did when they ousted him.
The only question now is, "How long will it take for Bill to knife Julia?"
*Welcome to labor politics. Too many rudders trying to stear the ship.
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LOL. That's why the Libs were divided and fighting in their party room yesterday over what areas they would cut. The knives are now out in the Coalition ranks and after last night the end is nigh for Abbott. He's finally put his foot in his big mouth once too often. Then to fuel the story we had the long silent pause and just bizarre nodding twitch when questioned by the Ch 7 reporter. That footage will be replayed over and over until he is giving the flick by the Libs. He is the Lib equivalent of Mark Latham. Without advisers telling him what to do and say to keep him in check he is a unpredictable ticking time-bomb. Dead man walking!
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LOL. That's why the Libs were divided and fighting in their party room yesterday over what areas they would cut. The knives are now out in the Coalition ranks and after last night the end is nigh for Abbott. He's finally put his foot in his big mouth once too often. Then to fuel the story we had the long silent pause and just bizarre nodding twitch when questioned by the Ch 7 reporter. That footage will be replayed over and over until he is giving the flick by the Libs. He is the Lib equivalent of Mark Latham. Without advisers telling him what to do and say to keep him in check he is a unpredictable ticking time-bomb. Dead man walking!
Now that's silly to say that Tony Abbott is anything like Mark Latham. Tony is a genuinly nice man alot like Kim Beazley and even suprisingly Kevin Rudd (even with his partyroom shouting). Difference is that these guys want to make genuine difference. Unlike Julia a charlatan of the highest order. I can never be sure what she is saying is genuine. It's a pity we don't see more of yesterdays prime minister with genuine sorrow and compasion. Obviously this was the real Julia.
Fact is that if your a lib and your passionate about something then your allowed to cross the floor of parliment and voice your genuine conviction. You can't do this if you are in the labor party. FACT.
P.S. If I was Tony Abbott I probably would have not restrained myself but smacked Riley in the mouth for even suggesting that I was insincere in regards to a dead soldier.
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Fact is that if your a lib and your passionate about something then your allowed to cross the floor of parliment and voice your genuine conviction. You can't do this if you are in the labor party. FACT.
They can if it's a conscience vote. Free votes have been allowed on bills such as euthanasia and research involving embryos/human cloning.
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P.S. If I was Tony Abbott I probably would have not restrained myself but smacked Riley in the mouth for even suggesting that I was insincere in regards to a dead soldier.
I agree Riley should be ashamed of him self.
I have lost all respect for him as a political reporter.
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P.S. If I was Tony Abbott I probably would have not restrained myself but smacked Riley in the mouth for even suggesting that I was insincere in regards to a dead soldier.
I agree Riley should be ashamed of him self.
I have lost all respect for him as a political reporter.
I think Abbott got what he deserved and his silence was proof of his insincerity towards the soldier.
He is a fair dinkum loser that bloke and got what he deserved. LMFAO at u fools who say you have lost respect for that reporter bloke.
I bet if it was that Brown or Gillard you wouldnt be saying that so stuffin spare me would ya.
Problem with Abbott is Gillard is not much chop either so he might sneak in next time round.
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I agree Riley should be ashamed of him self.
I have lost all respect for him as a political reporter.
yeah he should be ashamed; doesn't even know how to ambush a politician :rollin
Fancy briefing Tony's press secretary about the upcoming story they intended to run by giving them a transcript of the defense video and then having a number of conversations with said press secretary 2.5 hours before Tony met with Riley (btw it was Tony's press sec who arranged the "interview"....
Disgraceful effort by Mark Riley. Laurie Oakes would never do such a thing, he just blindsides and ambushes - National Press CLub anyone ;D
Actually what yesterday's "story" highlighted was that without his minders around Tony continues put his foot in it. That was why he was so good during the election campaign the miders wouldn't allow him to get into situations like yesterday
And if we want to point fingers at who should be "ashamed" of themselves may I suggest that the Libs can put their hands up because if the hadn't of surpressed the defense force video in the first place then they could have controlled this whole thing rather than creating the mess Tony now finds himself in
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I agree Riley should be ashamed of him self.
I have lost all respect for him as a political reporter.
yeah he should be ashamed; doesn't even know how to ambush a politician :rollin
Fancy briefing Tony's press secretary about the upcoming story they intended to run by giving them a transcript of the defense video and then having a number of conversations with said press secretary 2.5 hours before Tony met with Riley (btw it was Tony's press sec who arranged the "interview"....
Disgraceful effort by Mark Riley. Laurie Oakes would never do such a thing, he just blindsides and ambushes - National Press CLub anyone ;D
Actually what yesterday's "story" highlighted was that without his minders around Tony continues put his foot in it. That was why he was so good during the election campaign the miders wouldn't allow him to get into situations like yesterday
And if we want to point fingers at who should be "ashamed" of themselves may I suggest that the Libs can put their hands up because if the hadn't of surpressed the defense force video in the first place then they could have controlled this whole thing rather than creating the mess Tony now finds himself in
please just consider this for a minute.
If Tony said something so wrong in the context your talking about then why were ALL the SOLDIERS agreeing with him? You think atleast ONE of them would have said something?
Riley admitted he watched the whole footage looking for something because the libs only wanted a short edited 8 minutes of footage which was initialy released.
Well did ANY of you who are so quick to judge Tony, even consider that out of respect to the dead soldiers and their families they didn't want to release anything that would be more torture for all families involved?
I admit that the silence and nodding during the exchange that I saw with Riley and Tony was uncomfortable to say the least. After hearing 3 radio interviews with Riley he admitted he was perplexed at the anger that Tony was manifesting toward him. Are you serious? Trying to drudge up something out of nothing without any thought if the families involved and the impact it may cause, especially the soldier in question. I'm sure he was thinking "Id like to clock this guy but out of respect to the families I'm gonna keep my mouth shut".
Did Riley ask the Soldiers why they were so insensative as to agree with what Tony had said? I'm sure they would have knocked his teeth out.
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P.S. If I was Tony Abbott I probably would have not restrained myself but smacked Riley in the mouth for even suggesting that I was insincere in regards to a dead soldier.
I agree Riley should be ashamed of him self.
I have lost all respect for him as a political reporter.
I think Abbott got what he deserved and his silence was proof of his insincerity towards the soldier.
Dan, I normally agree with your posts because you're so concise and veracious but this statement I can't agree with at all.
I admit the silence was uncomfortable but it was a testimony to Tony's restraint and his respect of all soldiers that have died in battle especially the widow of the soldier in question.
Unlike Riley who sensationalized a statement made to a group of soldiers whom all of agreed with what Tony had said at the time. I was disgusted at what Riley had done without any thought of the impact it may have to the grieving families. To suggest that Tony was insincere is to also suggest every soldier there were insincere and disrespectful. What absolute rubbish. It was a rubbish story from the beginning and should never had gone to air.
And if your wandering the calibre of reporter Riley ask yourself, "Did he ask the same question to any of the soldiers present with Tony at the time?" or did he ask any of them present what was the context of the statement? I'm sure if he asked these questions then maybe it wouldn't have been a story at all then I'm sure channel seven wouldve loved that. :P
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LOL. That's why the Libs were divided and fighting in their party room yesterday over what areas they would cut. The knives are now out in the Coalition ranks and after last night the end is nigh for Abbott. He's finally put his foot in his big mouth once too often. Then to fuel the story we had the long silent pause and just bizarre nodding twitch when questioned by the Ch 7 reporter. That footage will be replayed over and over until he is giving the flick by the Libs. He is the Lib equivalent of Mark Latham. Without advisers telling him what to do and say to keep him in check he is a unpredictable ticking time-bomb. Dead man walking!
Now that's silly to say that Tony Abbott is anything like Mark Latham. Tony is a genuinly nice man alot like Kim Beazley and even suprisingly Kevin Rudd (even with his partyroom shouting). Difference is that these guys want to make genuine difference. Unlike Julia a charlatan of the highest order. I can never be sure what she is saying is genuine. It's a pity we don't see more of yesterdays prime minister with genuine sorrow and compasion. Obviously this was the real Julia.
Fact is that if your a lib and your passionate about something then your allowed to cross the floor of parliment and voice your genuine conviction. You can't do this if you are in the labor party. FACT.
P.S. If I was Tony Abbott I probably would have not restrained myself but smacked Riley in the mouth for even suggesting that I was insincere in regards to a dead soldier.
Both Beazley and Rudd never played the pitbull headkicker role that Abbott has; if anything Beazley lacked a certain killer political instinct as leader. Also Beazley and Rudd are articulate to the point of using too many 'big' words whereas Phoney Tony is a simpleton who just says "no" to oppose for opposing sake and comes up with one line simplistic cliches devoid of reality and substance.
The issue is no longer what he said in Afghanistan (although a pollie trying to be one of boys by playing with their "toys" in the middle of a war zone is a joke in itself). The issue as WP said is that without his Lib minders and spin doctors to shield him from himself Abbott is a loose cannon unfit to be PM as that bizarre interview response with the mad stare and head wobbling showed. He had 2.5 hours to prepare his response and take the initiative yet all we got was rAbbott in the headlights :wallywink. He's another Mark Latham and that connection was made all yesterday by more than just me. That vision with Riley will be replayed again and again until the Libs wake up he's a liability to them and give him the flick. It's all downhill for Abbott now as this won't be the last time he puts his foot in his mouth.
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I agree Riley should be ashamed of him self.
I have lost all respect for him as a political reporter.
yeah he should be ashamed; doesn't even know how to ambush a politician :rollin
Fancy briefing Tony's press secretary about the upcoming story they intended to run by giving them a transcript of the defense video and then having a number of conversations with said press secretary 2.5 hours before Tony met with Riley (btw it was Tony's press sec who arranged the "interview"....
Disgraceful effort by Mark Riley. Laurie Oakes would never do such a thing, he just blindsides and ambushes - National Press CLub anyone ;D
Actually what yesterday's "story" highlighted was that without his minders around Tony continues put his foot in it. That was why he was so good during the election campaign the miders wouldn't allow him to get into situations like yesterday
And if we want to point fingers at who should be "ashamed" of themselves may I suggest that the Libs can put their hands up because if the hadn't of surpressed the defense force video in the first place then they could have controlled this whole thing rather than creating the mess Tony now finds himself in
please just consider this for a minute.
If Tony said something so wrong in the context your talking about then why were ALL the SOLDIERS agreeing with him? You think atleast ONE of them would have said something?
Riley admitted he watched the whole footage looking for something because the libs only wanted a short edited 8 minutes of footage which was initialy released.
Well did ANY of you who are so quick to judge Tony, even consider that out of respect to the dead soldiers and their families they didn't want to release anything that would be more torture for all families involved?
I admit that the silence and nodding during the exchange that I saw with Riley and Tony was uncomfortable to say the least. After hearing 3 radio interviews with Riley he admitted he was perplexed at the anger that Tony was manifesting toward him. Are you serious? Trying to drudge up something out of nothing without any thought if the families involved and the impact it may cause, especially the soldier in question. I'm sure he was thinking "Id like to clock this guy but out of respect to the families I'm gonna keep my mouth shut".
Did Riley ask the Soldiers why they were so insensative as to agree with what Tony had said? I'm sure they would have knocked his teeth out.
The context was in relation to this leaked email from a soldier criticising the lack of firepower and military intelligence
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/top-brass-angry-over-soldiers-email-leak/1948292.aspx
Obviously some on the front line disagree with the top brass Abbott was talking to that "s--- happens". The generals with military and combat experience may get away with such a poor turn of phrase but not a pollie who wouldn't have a clue about what combat on the front line is like. Sorry it's very easy to say "s--- happens" when you never ever had your own life on the line.
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all we got was rAbbott in the headlights :wallywink.
Oh, I like that. Permission to use elsewhere? lol :rollin
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all we got was rAbbott in the headlights :wallywink.
Oh, I like that. Permission to use elsewhere????? lol :rollin
I was thinking the same thing and will use it elsewhere.
A classic line that we need to feed to the papers.
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Classic video lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cC_FIHRyxM
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please just consider this for a minute.
If Tony said something so wrong in the context your talking about then why were ALL the SOLDIERS agreeing with him? You think atleast ONE of them would have said something?
Riley admitted he watched the whole footage looking for something because the libs only wanted a short edited 8 minutes of footage which was initialy released.
Well did ANY of you who are so quick to judge Tony, even consider that out of respect to the dead soldiers and their families they didn't want to release anything that would be more torture for all families involved?
Well if you use that argument then doesn't that just further highlight that the words Tony used were dumb, stupid and insensitive towards the families as well?
Bottom line Tony as our alternate PM (that's what he is don't forget that) made a serious error in judgement in the choice of words he used. His minders tried to cover it up by trying to stop the release of the video by contestng Ch7's FOI request.
Simply they stuffed up, they should accept it because as a result we have "s--- happens gate"
Seems they can dish it out but can't take it
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please just consider this for a minute.
If Tony said something so wrong in the context your talking about then why were ALL the SOLDIERS agreeing with him? You think atleast ONE of them would have said something?
Riley admitted he watched the whole footage looking for something because the libs only wanted a short edited 8 minutes of footage which was initialy released.
Well did ANY of you who are so quick to judge Tony, even consider that out of respect to the dead soldiers and their families they didn't want to release anything that would be more torture for all families involved?
Well if you use that argument then doesn't that just further highlight that the words Tony used were dumb, stupid and insensitive towards the families as well?
Bottom line Tony as our alternate PM (that's what he is don't forget that) made a serious error in judgement in the choice of words he used. His minders tried to cover it up by trying to stop the release of the video by contestng Ch7's FOI request.
Simply they stuffed up, they should accept it because as a result we have "s--- happens gate"
Seems they can dish it out but can't take it
that's rubbish WP. The libs withheld the tape because of the sensitivity of the subject in respect to all families concerned. I don't think anyone expected that one statement could be misinterpreted as it was.
It was more likely the fact that he's shooting firearms which doesn't look good to some for the reason not to show that.
I'll mention it again incase you all didn't understand.
IF TONY SAID ANYTHING WRONG THEN WHY DID ALL THE SOLDIERS AGREE WITH HIS STATEMENT?
Edited to correct quote
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that's rubbish WP. The libs withheld the tape because of the sensitivity of the subject in respect to all families concerned. I don't think anyone expected that one statement could be misinterpreted as it was.
It was more likely the fact that he's shooting firearms which doesn't look good to some for the reason not to show that.
I'll mention it again incase you all didn't understand.
IF TONY SAID ANYTHING WRONG THEN WHY DID ALL THE SOLDIERS AGREE WITH HIS STATEMENT?
Mr Tigra, no need to yell ;D :thumbsup
The issue is not whether the soldiers agreed the issue is the words he used. Although, your use of the word "ALL" is a bit of poetic license as I would hope you mean "all the soliders with him at the time" as opposed the broad sweeping "ALL SOLDIERS"
Personally I dont think he meant in any to be disrespectful towards the soldier that was killed in battle but I have a major probelm with how the alternate PM of this country conducted himself in that interview with Riley
The reality is he should have chosen his words more carefully. His choice of words was simply stupid.
He has been misinterpreted in part because of the way he conducted himself in the interview with Riley. Seeing his press person was briefed (they were given the entire transcript) on what was going to be shown and one can only assume the press person then briefed Abbott. They had ample opportuinity to be have the answer ready but didn't
There is absolutely no excuse for his "bubble head doll" effort the other day. If he believed he was taken out of contect then he could have explained how because I will tell you with 2.5 hours to prepare myself if wouldn't have been that hard. But instead he stood there and showed that he is still the hothead he has always been when he is under the pump.
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that's rubbish WP. The libs withheld the tape because of the sensitivity of the subject in respect to all families concerned. I don't think anyone expected that one statement could be misinterpreted as it was.
It was more likely the fact that he's shooting firearms which doesn't look good to some for the reason not to show that.
I'll mention it again incase you all didn't understand.
IF TONY SAID ANYTHING WRONG THEN WHY DID ALL THE SOLDIERS AGREE WITH HIS STATEMENT?
Mr Tigra, no need to yell ;D :thumbsup
The issue is not whether the soldiers agreed the issue is the words he used. Although, your use of the word "ALL" is a bit of poetic license as I would hope you mean "all the soliders with him at the time" as opposed the broad sweeping "ALL SOLDIERS"
Personally I dont think he meant in any to be disrespectful towards the soldier that was killed in battle but I have a major probelm with how the alternate PM of this conutey conducted himself in that interview with Riley
The reality is he should have chosen his words more carefully. His choice of words was simply stupid.
He has been misinterpreted in part because of the way he conducted himself in the interview with Riley. Seeing his press person was briefed (they were given the entire transcript) on what was going to be shown and one can only assume the press person then briefed Abbott. They had ample opportuinity to be have the answer ready but didn't
There is absolutely no excuse for his "bubble head doll" effort the other day. If he believed he was taken out of contect then he could have explained how because I will tell you with 2.5 hours to prepare myself if wouldn't have been that hard. But instead he stood there and showed that he is still the hothead he has always been when he is under the pump.
Sorry WP I wasn't yelling just using capitals for emphasis.
And yes I meant ALL soldiers present at the time.
As I said in an earlier post that the silence was excruciatingly uncomfortable to watch. But as it may detract from his personality with some people I think it shows how much of a real person he is. Putting his foot in it now and again shows he's as human as you and I. And not just some puppett wheeled out every so often robotically saying what HAS to be said.
Julia showed true emotion the other day.... Magnificent. It proves to us all she is actually real. I don't mind the odd gaff by a politician. I think alot of us are all sick of all the spin and want real people to stand up and show real leadership.
As of Riley and channel seven. I guess it was a ratings winner but in reality they just made up a story and went with it. They obviously had no concern with the impact it had on the families of the dead soldiers. I heard 2 radio interviews yesterday with two seperate families that were truly disgusted with 7 and Riley to confirm to me that they weren't pleased with the topic being raised. They also stated that they weren't upset at what Tony had said at all.
Fact was that it was a total media beatup if I've ever seen one.
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Simple fact is that there was nothing wrong with Mr Abbott's "poo happens" comment.
It was the silence that was a little disturbing, either he was like a rabbit stuck in the headlights or he was trying to control that anger of his.
The idea that it was a dignified silence is a crock and everyone knows it even though some won't admit it.
:outtahere
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As soon as comparisons are made between Abbott and Latham, you know you're on borrowed time :thumbsup
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all we got was rAbbott in the headlights :wallywink.
Oh, I like that. Permission to use elsewhere? lol :rollin
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Gillard and Labor are trying to stitch up University students now. Its just disgraceful. Thankfully Abbott and the Libs are trying to ensure that Labor doesnt get to cut benefits for university students who are already on the breadline. Labor should be ashamed of themselves. They really should. Its just disgraceful.
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However it was the libs that gutted university funds for services and clubs by introducing the VSU.
ALP are bringing it back
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As soon as comparisons are made between Abbott and Latham, you know you're on borrowed time :thumbsup
lol
Throw Damir Dokic in the mix and you have 3 of the country's finest
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As soon as comparisons are made between Abbott and Latham, you know you're on borrowed time :thumbsup
lol
Throw Damir Dokic in the mix and you have 3 of the country's finest
The Australian Abbott and Latham and the Serbian Dokic.
Three of the country's finest?
Yeah right.
:lol
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As soon as comparisons are made between Abbott and Latham, you know you're on borrowed time :thumbsup
lol
Throw Damir Dokic in the mix and you have 3 of the country's finest
The Australian Abbott and Latham and the Serbian Dokic.
Three of the country's finest?
Yeah right.
:lol
Serbian, Australian dont matter. All 3 are losers. FACT!!
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Here's the front on footage of Abbott during that Ch 7 interview with Mark Riley
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch/24172767/248154/?cmp=twitter
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His deputy ain't much better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T8xuU18goo&feature=related
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don't mind the tax in itself, the problem is that it just seems like yet another one in a whole line of new taxes. i think that's what the main argument is against it, the principle of introducing taxes rather than coming up with other ways of funding it is what annoys most of the people who are against it. the $1 per week surely can't be the problem!
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How much again did the Howard/Abbott government give to the tsunami appeal?
Not that I'm against a donation, but it was whopping in comparison to other countries
Who are they to complain about a small levy FFS!
Yeah but they had a surplus to play with. You can do that sort of thing when you have fiscally responsible government. ::) Can you honestly say that we are financially better off since Labor took power in 07? Sure the economy is good on the back of the mining industry but that does not mean the country is financially better off. On the face of things, this tax may seem like a nice shiny feel good type of arrangement, pulling at the heart strings of the average Australian, but in the end all the proceeds go to the governments bottom line and its just another attempt by this farcical labor government to try and dig its way out of its own financial black hole. It knows that its estimates on the back of the resources sector revenue forecasts will not get them into surplus in the promised time so they are looking for anything that will bring revenue back into their water bucket with holes.
Jillard and Swine are the political version of Zig and Zag. If they used their tiny brains for just one moment, all they had to do was say that we will tax you if you do not make a donation to an official charity supporting flood relief. In other words, if you cannot produce a receipt for the required amount at tax time, we will hit you with a levy on your tax return. At least we would be given the opportunity to send the money directly to the organisations that need it instead of it going into the governments coffers and while it sits there, it also makes their bottom line look oh so much better!!
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Jillard and Swine are the political version of Zig and Zag. If they used their tiny brains for just one moment, all they had to do was say that we will tax you if you do not make a donation to an official charity supporting flood relief. In other words, if you cannot produce a receipt for the required amount at tax time, we will hit you with a levy on your tax return.
Interesting idea tiga. How would you get it to work though? Would you set a minimum limit on what people would have to donate?
Because I can see people donating say $10 (but can afford alot more) and saying "i've donated so you can't charge me the levy of $50-$100" and that wouldn't be fair on those who donate say $50+
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Jillard and Swine are the political version of Zig and Zag. If they used their tiny brains for just one moment, all they had to do was say that we will tax you if you do not make a donation to an official charity supporting flood relief. In other words, if you cannot produce a receipt for the required amount at tax time, we will hit you with a levy on your tax return.
Interesting idea tiga. How would you get it to work though? Would you set a minimum limit on what people would have to donate?
Because I can see people donating say $10 (but can afford alot more) and saying "i've donated so you can't charge me the levy of $50-$100" and that wouldn't be fair on those who donate say $50+
The levy is towards rebuilding major infrastructure anyway while donations temporarily help the victims of the floods until the get back up on their feet so if people only donated then nothing would be rebuilt and it would delay people ever getting back to some form of normality. Donations such as via a telathon don't generate $1.8b either.
I don't buy that line that a levy will reduce donations anyway. The levy is going to cost the vast majority of people less than $5 a week for a year. Hardly a dent to the family budget. We didn't see a sudden surge in donations to charities when taxpayers were handed $900 by the Government as part of the stimulus package so why would the reverse necessarily be true. The opposition to the levy is mainly political postering.
ps. By the way where are those who say there's no factionalism in the Liberal party :wallywink.
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Firstly to answer WP's question, I would recommend a set amount based on a persons income as they are doing with the proposed tax.
Now onto MT's comment. As far as I am concerned, infrastructure should be sorted by the government without new taxes but they are obviously not competent enough to do so. How have we done this in the past?? We have had major disasters before...Cyclone's Tracy & Larry, Vic Bushfires etc...etc...and we have rebuilt from those without adding a whole new tax! Just because this government is so financially incompetent and we have no surplus to play with why should we have to pay again?? We are encouraging the government to be incompetent by supporting another tax.
Cut waste in other areas!! Scrap the NBN....Oh I forgot...that won't help at all...Why?? Because its all borrowed money.... :banghead
Oh hang on...Hey here's a good idea...how about we sort out the asylum seeker issue to the point where we are no longer spending 2.5 million dollars a month on hotel accommodation for them. There's $30 million a year that could go to infrastructure rebuilding for starters. And then we get onto the if only's like the BER, Insulation scheme & cash for clunkers....ROFLMAAAOO
if we were one of Jillards kids with a bad cold She would be say to us..."Sorry, I know you're not well but I will have to take the cost of your medicine out of your pocket money this month as I've spent all our spare cash on ciggies, pokies and beer!"
Answer one question.....Are we better off financially as a country since labor has been in power?? There is only one answer despite what some of you might say and that is NO!!
I'm all for donating to flood relief and I have done so already, but I am not going to prop up this totally incompetent labor government just because they do not know how to manage their own finances.
Oh and while we are at it. how about Jillard on one hand draping herself in her patriotic Aussie flag recently and on the other hand she will not approve a measly $30,000 of annual funding to maintain the Australian War memorial. I'd forget about factionalism MT and start looking at this governments double standards!!
2.6 million dollars a month to people who are not even australian citizens vs $30000 a year towards the memory of our Men and women who fought and died for this country...Food for thought ....
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Oh and while we are at it. how about Jillard on one hand draping herself in her patriotic Aussie flag recently and on the other hand she will not approve a measly $30,000 of annual funding to maintain the Australian War memorial. I'd forget about factionalism MT and start looking at this governments double standards!!
2.6 million dollars a month to people who are not even australian citizens vs $30000 a year towards the memory of our Men and women who fought and died for this country...Food for thought ....
Just to clarify tiga, my understanding is they want $3 mil for the war memorial now and then $30k a year, I am sure that's what I read in yesterday's paper under Andrew Bolt's weekly rant ;D
But like you IMHO it should be given to them whatever it costs and get it done :thumbsup
And in aswer to your question tiga about are we better off now under this govt? In all seriousness, I can honestly say that yes my family is better off than what we were say five years ago.... why? there is a mutlitude of reasons for it and I don't necessarily give kudos to the govt for it but overrall I can say yep we (my family) are generally better off now
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If Gillard and the rest of the circus invent a Tiger Levy forcing every scumbag pie and bloo and bomber supporter to pay up then I will consider that she has done a great thing for the nation. Until then I stick with my appraisal that this is the worst government in Australian Political History.
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If Gillard and the rest of the circus invent a Tiger Levy forcing every scumbag pie and bloo and bomber supporter to pay up then I will consider that she has done a great thing for the nation. Until then I stick with my appraisal that this is the worst government in Australian Political History.
Flagman, you need to go back further and look at the late 60's & early 70's some shockers there ;D
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Answer one question.....Are we better off financially as a country since labor has been in power??
I am :thumbsup
Oh and while we are at it. how about Jillard on one hand draping herself in her patriotic Aussie flag recently and on the other hand she will not approve a measly $30,000 of annual funding to maintain the Australian War memorial. I'd forget about factionalism MT and start looking at this governments double standards!!
2.6 million dollars a month to people who are not even australian citizens vs $30000 a year towards the memory of our Men and women who fought and died for this country...Food for thought ....
Wouldn't we rather spend money on the living than the dead tiga? Showing compassion to a fellow human being isn't a sign of weakness. Cutting back on foreign aid as Abbott and Mr "one nation" Morrison wanted especially cutting funding towards building schools overseas is insular thinking. I'd rather kids in impoverished countries be given a chance to learn at a real school. It's better than them being brainwashed from a young age by religious and/or political nutcases to attack and kill Aussies.
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Why should we be forced to choose MT? We haven't had to in the past. Don't forget its the actions of these brave men and women in the past who have provided for us the freedoms that we enjoy today. Lest we forget.
Not sure if everyone knows this but the reason why this tax is going to be implemented is because unlike every other state, Queensland decided not to take out infrastructure disaster insurance. Why? because life has been very good in the sunshine state for quite some time and during this time they have self insured. So whilst Anna Bligh has been genuinely saddened by what has happened, she really needs a big boot up the rear end for not taking the correct precautions in the best interest of her state and the country, and as such the Federal government as per agreement has to pay for any costs not covered by insurance. And since they have no insurance, The Australian people have to pick up the entire tab! Thanks Anna, you are a completely incompetent saint! :banghead
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John Key has said NZ will contemplate a similar levy after their disaster
Haven't ruled it in or out as yet, but will more than likely come up for consideration.
I wonder if Kiwis will be more generous and not so whining as their Aussie counterparts.
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They have disaster insurance as a start.
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They have disaster insurance as a start.
They have an earthquake levy every NZer pays which seems to cover their earthquake damage
This will be on top of that
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Correct! But they have enough tremors and earthquakes to justify it. The don't call NZ the "Shaky Isles" for nothing. Plus you need to compare apples with apples. NZ have a 138 billion dollar economy (2009 GDP) compared to our 1.22 trillion dollar economy (GDP 2009), so they are affected far greater by natural disasters than we are from an economic standpoint. If you have a 12 billion dollar disaster (estimate from Christchurch Earthquake) in a country with a GDP of 119 billion its gonna hurt a whole lot more than if you have a 5 billion dollar disaster (QLD floods approx) in a country like ours with a GDP of 1.22 trillion.
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Firstly to answer WP's question, I would recommend a set amount based on a persons income as they are doing with the proposed tax.
Answer one question.....Are we better off financially as a country since labor has been in power?? There is only one answer despite what some of you might say and that is NO!!
gee thats a pretty dumb statement. i think in all fairness the answer must surely be yes.
Since the GFC, individually and collectively as a nation we are as good as we have ever been.
We would be more richer if Kennett the wanker didn't privatize Electricity just so his surplus looked bigger at the end of his time.
Also we would have more surplus if whingers like you didn't collect the $900 when it was given to you. Give me a spell i bet you were loving labour back then as you walked the streets with the cash in your pocket.
I dont particulary like Gillard but to say we are worse off is the biggest load of crap i've ever heard
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Why should we be forced to choose MT? We haven't had to in the past. Don't forget its the actions of these brave men and women in the past who have provided for us the freedoms that we enjoy today. Lest we forget.
I'm not saying we have to choose tiga. I just get annoyed when we have people (not you tiga) in our lucky country whinging about our foreign aid programs and asylum seekers who make up just a couple of percent of our total immigration intake.
Not sure if everyone knows this but the reason why this tax is going to be implemented is because unlike every other state, Queensland decided not to take out infrastructure disaster insurance. Why? because life has been very good in the sunshine state for quite some time and during this time they have self insured. So whilst Anna Bligh has been genuinely saddened by what has happened, she really needs a big boot up the rear end for not taking the correct precautions in the best interest of her state and the country, and as such the Federal government as per agreement has to pay for any costs not covered by insurance. And since they have no insurance, The Australian people have to pick up the entire tab! Thanks Anna, you are a completely incompetent saint! :banged
I blame the insurance industry as they have subtly moved the goal posts with regards to flood cover in recent times. They'll argue they have always notified customers of any changes in their booklets they send out each time a policy is renewed but the average person assumes their cover hasn't changed unless explicitly told so and most people don't bother wading through 70 pages of legal insurance gooblygook to see if anything has been altered. We have someone in our family who is very thorough when it comes to insurance cover and you find insurance companies treat each type of flooding differently and really apart from the flash flooding due to a violent storm they won't cover the other types unless you stipulate to them specifically you want that cover (eg: flood due to a river with a burst bank or tsunami or earthquake) and even then those companies that do cover such events demand a flood plan of your local area. Even with flash flooding you need to read your policy carefully as some put a 48-72 hour limit on covering you are a storm. If some part of your house was affected by a flood but the damage doesn't reveal itself in the first 2-3 days then back luck. There are also things that refuse to cover like subsidence and rising sea tides/levels. All up that's why Suncorp and other insurance companies in Queensland "escaped" a major payout. The Valley that had that wave of water smash through it I believe will be covered by private insurance but elsewhere along the Brisbane river people are finding out they aren't covered because a overflowing river isn't consider a "flash flood". It's ridiculous!
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I think tiga would be offended ever being called a "labour lover" ;D
Correct! But they have enough tremors and earthquakes to justify it. The don't call NZ the "Shaky Isles" for nothing. Plus you need to compare apples with apples. NZ have a 138 billion dollar economy (2009 GDP) compared to our 1.22 trillion dollar economy (GDP 2009), so they are affected far greater by natural disasters than we are from an economic standpoint. If you have a 12 billion dollar disaster (estimate from Christchurch Earthquake) in a country with a GDP of 119 billion its gonna hurt a whole lot more than if you have a 5 billion dollar disaster (QLD floods approx) in a country like ours with a GDP of 1.22 trillion.
Queensland though contributes 20% to our GDP and 80% of banana crops are destroyed while 60% of the coal mines were flooded and shut down and many livestock killed in the floods. The affect of the natural disasters up North especially due to the floods will mean we'll take a hit to our nation's growth over at least one quarter.
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Why should we be forced to choose MT? We haven't had to in the past. Don't forget its the actions of these brave men and women in the past who have provided for us the freedoms that we enjoy today. Lest we forget.
I'm not saying we have to choose tiga. I just get annoyed when we have people (not you tiga) in our lucky country whinging about our foreign aid programs and asylum seekers who make up just a couple of percent of our total immigration intake.
Not sure if everyone knows this but the reason why this tax is going to be implemented is because unlike every other state, Queensland decided not to take out infrastructure disaster insurance. Why? because life has been very good in the sunshine state for quite some time and during this time they have self insured. So whilst Anna Bligh has been genuinely saddened by what has happened, she really needs a big boot up the rear end for not taking the correct precautions in the best interest of her state and the country, and as such the Federal government as per agreement has to pay for any costs not covered by insurance. And since they have no insurance, The Australian people have to pick up the entire tab! Thanks Anna, you are a completely incompetent saint! :banged
I blame the insurance industry as they have subtly moved the goal posts with regards to flood cover in recent times. They'll argue they have always notified customers of any changes in their booklets they send out each time a policy is renewed but the average person assumes their cover hasn't changed unless explicitly told so and most people don't bother wading through 70 pages of legal insurance gooblygook to see if anything has been altered. We have someone in our family who is very thorough when it comes to insurance cover and you find insurance companies treat each type of flooding differently and really apart from the flash flooding due to a violent storm they won't cover the other types unless you stipulate to them specifically you want that cover (eg: flood due to a river with a burst bank or tsunami or earthquake) and even then those companies that do cover such events demand a flood plan of your local area. Even with flash flooding you need to read your policy carefully as some put a 48-72 hour limit on covering you are a storm. If some part of your house was affected by a flood but the damage doesn't reveal itself in the first 2-3 days then back luck. There are also things that refuse to cover like subsidence and rising sea tides/levels. All up that's why Suncorp and other insurance companies in Queensland "escaped" a major payout. The Valley that had that wave of water smash through it I believe will be covered by private insurance but elsewhere along the Brisbane river people are finding out they aren't covered because a overflowing river isn't consider a "flash flood". It's ridiculous!
I think TIO is the only government owned insurance company left...and the only one that provides storm surge damage cover. I think they need to hurry up and privatise so we too can enjoy the reduced benefits this will bring.
My understanding is that the territory government also does not have infrastructure insurance as they would be just insuring themselves with themselves.
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I think tiga would be offended ever being called a "labour lover" ;D
Correct! But they have enough tremors and earthquakes to justify it. The don't call NZ the "Shaky Isles" for nothing. Plus you need to compare apples with apples. NZ have a 138 billion dollar economy (2009 GDP) compared to our 1.22 trillion dollar economy (GDP 2009), so they are affected far greater by natural disasters than we are from an economic standpoint. If you have a 12 billion dollar disaster (estimate from Christchurch Earthquake) in a country with a GDP of 119 billion its gonna hurt a whole lot more than if you have a 5 billion dollar disaster (QLD floods approx) in a country like ours with a GDP of 1.22 trillion.
Queensland though contributes 20% to our GDP and 80% of banana crops are destroyed while 60% of the coal mines were flooded and shut down and many livestock killed in the floods. The affect of the natural disasters up North especially due to the floods will mean we'll take a hit to our nation's growth over at least one quarter.
Firstly I won't even debate Daniel161toomany or whatever his name is for as usual he has continued with his M.O of resorting to personal insults when he can't find something intelligent to say. I think I will be "More richer" by not responding to his drivel. Daniel you could learn a lesson or two from MT when it comes to Human decency and sensible debate. Now let me just turn the white noise level down a bit and continue with some intelligent discussion.
Let me just clarify my statement earlier....What I meant to say was are we better off financially as far as the Nations finances (Budget) are concerned, not if our own personal standard of living has improved. I personally have continued to increase my standard of living throughout my working life no matter who is in power but that is because of my own efforts in improving my skills and making myself highly employable, not government policy. However my "cost" of living has also increased with my standard of living and will continue to do thanks to the continual introduction of post election taxes under this current government.
MT I understand that Queensland contributes 20% to our GDP but that figure would only be accurate if 100% of Queensland industry were severely affected by the floods. Or just to clarify, are you saying that the damage caused by the floods has hit our GDP by 20% or one quarter of 20%? I listened to an interview recently from the head of a QLD farming Co-op (Can't remember his name) and he said that the crop damage they encountered amongst his members overall was about 45% of total output across the board and it would take around 18 months to get back to 100%. One fruit type in Banana's being severely affected doesn't warrant a new tax.
I agree MT that Insurance companies (actually I think is the reinsurance companies who are more devious) have moved the goal posts as you say but that was not the reason for Queensland not taking any insurance out at all on their infrastructure.
Oh and while we are on new taxes, lets all welcome our brand new shiny carbon tax which has been introduced deceitfully by that liar Jillard or as she is now known as Juliar. Let me quote her during the election campaign..."There will be no Carbon tax under the Government I lead" and then Wayne Swan said..."We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out," as told to told ABC Television. This is not Anti-Labor sentiment or being quoted out of context, this is undeniable fact and on the public record.
Here's an easy question, do you want a proven liar to run our Country? Hey why not! And now we can look forward to petrol prices going up immediately by 6 cents a litre as soon as this carbon tax is implement.
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I think tiga would be offended ever being called a "labour lover" ;D
Correct! But they have enough tremors and earthquakes to justify it. The don't call NZ the "Shaky Isles" for nothing. Plus you need to compare apples with apples. NZ have a 138 billion dollar economy (2009 GDP) compared to our 1.22 trillion dollar economy (GDP 2009), so they are affected far greater by natural disasters than we are from an economic standpoint. If you have a 12 billion dollar disaster (estimate from Christchurch Earthquake) in a country with a GDP of 119 billion its gonna hurt a whole lot more than if you have a 5 billion dollar disaster (QLD floods approx) in a country like ours with a GDP of 1.22 trillion.
Queensland though contributes 20% to our GDP and 80% of banana crops are destroyed while 60% of the coal mines were flooded and shut down and many livestock killed in the floods. The affect of the natural disasters up North especially due to the floods will mean we'll take a hit to our nation's growth over at least one quarter.
Firstly I won't even debate Daniel161toomany or whatever his name is for as usual he has continued with his M.O of resorting to personal insults when he can't find something intelligent to say. I think I will be "More richer" by not responding to his drivel. Daniel you could learn a lesson or two from MT when it comes to Human decency and sensible debate. Now let me just turn the white noise level down a bit and continue with some intelligent discussion.
Let me just clarify my statement earlier....What I meant to say was are we better off financially as far as the Nations finances (Budget) are concerned, not if our own personal standard of living has improved. I personally have continued to increase my standard of living throughout my working life no matter who is in power but that is because of my own efforts in improving my skills and making myself highly employable, not government policy. However my "cost" of living has also increased with my standard of living and will continue to do thanks to the continual introduction of post election taxes under this current government.
MT I understand that Queensland contributes 20% to our GDP but that figure would only be accurate if 100% of Queensland industry were severely affected by the floods. Or just to clarify, are you saying that the damage caused by the floods has hit our GDP by 20% or one quarter of 20%? I listened to an interview recently from the head of a QLD farming Co-op (Can't remember his name) and he said that the crop damage they encountered amongst his members overall was about 45% of total output across the board and it would take around 18 months to get back to 100%. One fruit type in Banana's being severely affected doesn't warrant a new tax.
I agree MT that Insurance companies (actually I think is the reinsurance companies who are more devious) have moved the goal posts as you say but that was not the reason for Queensland not taking any insurance out at all on their infrastructure.
Oh and while we are on new taxes, lets all welcome our brand new shiny carbon tax which has been introduced deceitfully by that liar Jillard or as she is now known as Juliar. Let me quote her during the election campaign..."There will be no Carbon tax under the Government I lead" and then Wayne Swan said..."We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out," as told to told ABC Television. This is not Anti-Labor sentiment or being quoted out of context, this is undeniable fact and on the public record.
Here's an easy question, do you want a proven liar to run our Country? Hey why not! And now we can look forward to petrol prices going up immediately by 6 cents a litre as soon as this carbon tax is implement.
I wish Tony Abbott would read this, and then he could convey and explain this to the nation. That would be akin to John Hewson explaining "will a GST apply to a birthday cake".
We get your drift Tiga, but excuse me if my head is spinning haha
Go Tiges
:gotigers
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Let me just clarify my statement earlier....What I meant to say was are we better off financially as far as the Nations finances (Budget) are concerned, not if our own personal standard of living has improved. I personally have continued to increase my standard of living throughout my working life no matter who is in power but that is because of my own efforts in improving my skills and making myself highly employable, not government policy. However my "cost" of living has also increased with my standard of living and will continue to do thanks to the continual introduction of post election taxes under this current government.
Compared to other OECD nations we're in good financial shape despite the GFC. I'd rather be us than be the US, UK and Japan. The cost of living would be cheaper if we hadn't privatized our essential utilites and gave "public" companies a free hand to increase and increase "service" charges to maintain their profits no matter how much less electricity, gas and water you use ::).
MT I understand that Queensland contributes 20% to our GDP but that figure would only be accurate if 100% of Queensland industry were severely affected by the floods. Or just to clarify, are you saying that the damage caused by the floods has hit our GDP by 20% or one quarter of 20%? I listened to an interview recently from the head of a QLD farming Co-op (Can't remember his name) and he said that the crop damage they encountered amongst his members overall was about 45% of total output across the board and it would take around 18 months to get back to 100%. One fruit type in Banana's being severely affected doesn't warrant a new tax.
By quarter I meant a timeframe as in a quarter of the financial year (the March quarter). It's expected we may have a quarter of negative growth as a result of the economic impact of the Queensland floods. 45% is almost a half and combined with 60% of the coal mines that's quite a hit to the economy. And that's leaving out all the basic infrastructure damage that's needs fixing.
I agree MT that Insurance companies (actually I think is the reinsurance companies who are more devious) have moved the goal posts as you say but that was not the reason for Queensland not taking any insurance out at all on their infrastructure.
Queenslanders always did things differently to use southerners (Julz excluded) :yep
Oh and while we are on new taxes, lets all welcome our brand new shiny carbon tax which has been introduced deceitfully by that liar Jillard or as she is now known as Juliar. Let me quote her during the election campaign..."There will be no Carbon tax under the Government I lead" and then Wayne Swan said..."We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out," as told to told ABC Television. This is not Anti-Labor sentiment or being quoted out of context, this is undeniable fact and on the public record.
Here's an easy question, do you want a proven liar to run our Country? Hey why not! And now we can look forward to petrol prices going up immediately by 6 cents a litre as soon as this carbon tax is implement.
All pollies lie and break promises. That's why no one trusts them. Abbott said prior to the last election "no new taxes" and then wanted to introduced a $3.3b levy/tax for his parental leave scheme along with his only believe what I write down, not what I say. Howard had his "never ever GST" and Keating had his "L.A.W." tax cuts, etc...
A carbon price was always on the cards. Big Business has been preparing for one. Preferably it ends up finally as a ETS so it's based on market forces. Even Abbott at one stage advocated if a Carbon price was introduced that you could increase the price of Carbon at the same you compensate the average consumer. There's no real difference between his view then and this plan.
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I think tiga would be offended ever being called a "labour lover" ;D
Firstly I won't even debate Daniel161toomany or whatever his name is for as usual he has continued with his M.O of resorting to personal insults when he can't find something intelligent to say. I think I will be "More richer" by not responding to his drivel. Daniel you could learn a lesson or two from MT when it comes to Human decency and sensible debate. Now let me just turn the white noise level down a bit and continue with some intelligent discussion
Dear ooh me if you find that offensive perhaps you dont get out all that often
Let me clarify something for you just as you felt the need to correct yourself
Personally and collectively as a nation we have never been in a better shape under this government
Pack of whingers u liberal wannabees who I bet were the same ones crying poor when the GST was introduced
We have been lied by all of them for a long time
Kennet with his increasing of rates
Howard GST
Gillard With the C tax
Nothing new get over it
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First of all MT what proof do you have that there are organised factions in the liberal party.
Secondly Howard didn't lie about the GST. He simply changed his mind. Everyone does. Difference here is that unlike Howard, Gillard didnt let the voting public know we were voting for a carbon tax at the last election. Howard was very clear, vote coalition and you get a GST. Democratic process because we knew what we were voting for.
Gillard "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead".
Swan also lied before the election ""We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out," the treasurer told ABC Television.
What is Worse was that nobody was told by anyone at labor that a deal was already in place with the greens.
What's sickening is that we have a small group of misfits (greens and independents) that are running our great country because Our current PM is power hungry.
She is a charlatan and she WILL be bumped by the very factional power brokers that put her in charge in the first place.
Bill Shorten is coming.
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Surely Gillard cant go to another election. Noone will be able to trust what she says ever again.
Bill Shorten would be licking his lips at stabing her in the back with his union friends to become PM
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Here is a nice song about our beloved prevaricator PM that I found: enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLLUcP7IwiE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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If the PM is a liar
Then the Opposition leader is a Hypocrite
There's a some priceless news footage doing the rounds of Tony Abbott in 2009 actually saying that if you want to put a price on carbon emissions then he would introduce a "simple carbon tax", he adds that would include it being "placed on petrol" so "everyone" pays it equally ;D
OMG ..... Tony in 2009 sounded like Julia in 2011
:gobdrop :gobdrop
Now Tony wants an election over the very tax he said in 2009 was a the "easiest" way to go with regard to a price being placed on Carbon emissions but in 2011 says it's the worse thing since ...er... the flood levy
Gawd I love politics :rollin
Secondly Howard didn't lie about the GST. He simply changed his mind. Everyone does. Difference here is that unlike Howard, Gillard didnt let the voting public know we were voting for a carbon tax at the last election. Howard was very clear, vote coalition and you get a GST. Democratic process because we knew what we were voting for.
And Mr Tigra we can out spin on anything to suit an argument ;D
Bottom line is Howard did lie because he said when he became leader that the GST was dead and buried and he would never introduce it
But he did - so that was a lie
However, the biggest difference was yes Howard went to an election on the back of it but he went to the polls knowing there was no way in helll they could lose. If the polls at the time had been closer who knows what approach they would have taken. What was interestng at the time though was the fact that they didn't announce their plan until the polls were so far in their favour
Pollies have been lying since before all of us were born - it's what they do to win
As I said gotta love politics in this country ;D
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C'mon WP do you live under a rock?
Only Labor pollies lie, not the libs. Don't you know that?
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C'mon WP do you live under a rock?
Only Labor pollies lie, not the libs. Don't you know that?
:rollin :rollin
Nah al, but I have been away for the week enjpying yhe country air so perhaps it's playing tricks on my mind :thumbsup
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C'mon WP do you live under a rock?
Only Labor pollies lie, not the libs. Don't you know that?
:rollin :rollin
Nah al, but I have been away for the week enjpying yhe country air so perhaps it's playing tricks on my mind :thumbsup
Pollies are all hypocrites WP. But you have to admit Ju-liar is no Whitlam and the WORST labor leader ever.
Did you put aside your red commie glasses and take time to look at the YouTube of your beloved PM? If you didn't here it is again. Classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLLUcP7IwiE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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If someone who votes labor is a commie, does that make someone who votes liberal a fascist or Nazi?
...or does this work like like the lying thing?
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WP Howard ran an election on GST and people voted in favour and he won government.
Gillard ran on no-carbon tax and sold labor down the river to the greens to stay in power and everyone around this country will pay the price.
This carbon tax will increase cost of living in everyway. Petrol prices UP, Electricity prices UP, Food prices UP, Public transport UP etc.
This carbon tax will also move businesses off-shore which will result in people losing there jobs. People defaulting on mortgages. People missing meals due to having no money. If this is the future you want then by all means vote Labor(greens) at your own peril.
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Pollies are all hypocrites WP. But you have to admit Ju-liar is no Whitlam and the WORST labor leader ever.
Did you put aside your red commie glasses and take time to look at the YouTube of your beloved PM? If you didn't here it is again. Classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLLUcP7IwiE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
my red commie glasses ???
Now that's funny :yep :yep
As for the worst labour leader ever - and you did say labour leader as opposed to PM right? Then I'd say no not by quite a way ...that title would go to one Mark Latham by a long long way ;) :laugh: ;D
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WP Howard ran an election on GST and people voted in favour and he won government.
Gillard ran on no-carbon tax and sold labor down the river to the greens to stay in power and everyone around this country will pay the price.
This carbon tax will increase cost of living in everyway. Petrol prices UP, Electricity prices UP, Food prices UP, Public transport UP etc.
This carbon tax will also move businesses off-shore which will result in people losing there jobs. People defaulting on mortgages. People missing meals due to having no money. If this is the future you want then by all means vote Labor(greens) at your own peril.
perfectly stated. :bow :clapping
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Pollies are all hypocrites WP. But you have to admit Ju-liar is no Whitlam and the WORST labor leader ever.
Did you put aside your red commie glasses and take time to look at the YouTube of your beloved PM? If you didn't here it is again. Classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLLUcP7IwiE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
my red commie glasses ???
Now that's funny :yep :yep
As for the worst labour leader ever - and you did say labour leader as opposed to PM right? Then I'd say no not by quite a way ...that title would go to one Mark Latham by a long long way ;) :laugh: ;D
Ok WP I agree Latham was weird. What about WORST labor PM?
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If the PM is a liar
Then the Opposition leader is a Hypocrite
There's a some priceless news footage doing the rounds of Tony Abbott in 2009 actually saying that if you want to put a price on carbon emissions then he would introduce a "simple carbon tax", he adds that would include it being "placed on petrol" so "everyone" pays it equally ;D
OMG ..... Tony in 2009 sounded like Julia in 2011
I believe Tony said:
''If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax? Why not ask motorists to pay more? Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?'
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I believe Tony said:
''If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax? Why not ask motorists to pay more? Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?'
That's the one FNM ;D
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If the PM is a liar
Then the Opposition leader is a Hypocrite
There's a some priceless news footage doing the rounds of Tony Abbott in 2009 actually saying that if you want to put a price on carbon emissions then he would introduce a "simple carbon tax", he adds that would include it being "placed on petrol" so "everyone" pays it equally ;D
OMG ..... Tony in 2009 sounded like Julia in 2011
I believe Tony said:
''If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax? Why not ask motorists to pay more? Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?'
He explains how to tax a price on carbon. I dont see anywhere in the quote him saying he believes in this policy.
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If the PM is a liar
Then the Opposition leader is a Hypocrite
There's a some priceless news footage doing the rounds of Tony Abbott in 2009 actually saying that if you want to put a price on carbon emissions then he would introduce a "simple carbon tax", he adds that would include it being "placed on petrol" so "everyone" pays it equally ;D
OMG ..... Tony in 2009 sounded like Julia in 2011
I believe Tony said:
''If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax? Why not ask motorists to pay more? Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?'
Bang bang and bang
They are all a bunch if hypocrites The lot of em.
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He explains how to tax a price on carbon. I dont see anywhere in the quote him saying he believes in this policy.
When he says "why not" he's not explaining how it works, he's asking why don't we do it this way rather than the Labor Party way.
Nope, he's a goose and a forgetful one :wallywink
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He explains how to tax a price on carbon. I dont see anywhere in the quote him saying he believes in this policy.
When he says "why not" he's not explaining how it works, he's asking why don't we do it this way rather than the Labor Party way.
Nope, he's a goose and a forgetful one :wallywink
He also says ''If you want". I havent heard Tony say he wants to put a carbon tax on everything actually to the contrary he sounds like a person that wants to help business and jobs unlike Julia that will LIE to anyone and backstab everyone to stay in power.
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He explains how to tax a price on carbon. I dont see anywhere in the quote him saying he believes in this policy.
Hmm would suggest you get a hold of the entire interview where he was asked just prior to becoming Lib leader how he would handle putting a price Carbon Emissions seeing he was so against the silly "emissions trading scheme" that KRudd wanted to introduce
His response; the quote in question was his answers as to what he would do, so I think at the time it is fair an reasonable to assume that it is the policy he believed in then .....
I am disappointed that Tony hasn't had a go at the PM for stealing his idea to be honest, Tony's been good at that in the past :rollin :rollin
Ok WP I agree Latham was weird. What about WORST labor PM?
Well seeing she's been in the job less than 9 months I reckon it's too early to call but IMHO Paul Keating was a shocking PM. His born to rule mentality was a disgrace
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He explains how to tax a price on carbon. I dont see anywhere in the quote him saying he believes in this policy.
Hmm would suggest you get a hold of the entire interview where he was asked just prior to becoming Lib leader how he would handle putting a price Carbon Emissions seeing he was so against the silly "emissions trading scheme" that KRudd wanted to introduce
His response; the quote in question was his answers as to what he would do, so I think at the time it is fair an reasonable to assume that it is the policy he believed in then .....
I am disappointed that Tony hasn't had a go at the PM for stealing his idea to be honest, Tony's been good at that in the past :rollin :rollin
Ok WP I agree Latham was weird. What about WORST labor PM?
Well seeing she's been in the job less than 9 months I reckon it's too early to call but IMHO Paul Keating was a shocking PM. His born to rule mentality was a disgrace
yes you may be right there as my dad like yourself was a labor lover. He had a T-shirt of Whitlam. But after Keating he never voted labor again. But my personal opinion is that history will show the Rudd/Julia era to be the worst. Time will tell.
As of Tony. Unlike our current lying PM he can "honestly" admit when he's either changed his mind or made a mistake. His honesty is even to his detriment as in the case where he stated that when he says something it may be exagerated in the heat of the moment compared with considered written statements.
As of polititians they are all hypocrites, as we all are. We are all sinners in the sight of God; Romans3:23.
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We are all sinners in the sight of God; Romans3:23.
The bible is full of drug references, like all those people getting stoned to death. G Fleet 8:04
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We are all sinners in the sight of God; Romans3:23.
The bible is full of drug references, like all those people getting stoned to death. G Fleet 8:04
thats funny,have you read it fish?
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First of all MT what proof do you have that there are organised factions in the liberal party.
Blind Freddy knows there are moderate "small l" and conservative factions within the Liberal party. We've had two instances in the past couple of weeks with the fight between Abbott and Bishop in the party room over foreign aid cuts and Hockey going against Abbott and shadow immigration minister Morrison over the funding of flying asylum seekers to family funerals.
As for Abbott broken election promises - during the 2004 election campaign as health minister he gave a "cast-iron guarantee" that the Medicare safety net would not be raised. One year later it was raised because of cost blowouts.
Abbott's response when asked by Laurie Oakes about breaking his election promise:
"Well, Laurie, when I made that statement, in the election campaign, I had not the slightest inkling that there would ever be any intention to change this. But obviously when circumstances change, governments do change their opinions, and that is actually the responsible course of action."
http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1761.asp?s=1
So typical of the hyprocrisy of Phoney Tony....
A levy is wrong and an unnecessary tax unless he wants to introduce one;
A simple carbon tax makes sense when he suggested it back in 2009 but it's a great big tax on everything now;
A statement is only true when it's in writing and not out of his gob;
A broken election promise means you're a liar unless he breaks one where it becomes a responsible course of action;
etc...
Hello Animal Farm rules! :rollin
All pollies lie and break election promises. That's why no one trusts them.
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Even Bob Hawke doesnt reckon that Gillard will make it as leader to the next election. Today, Labors biggest business advocate Heather Ridout also cast major doubts about Carbon Tax. Dear oh Dear its all falling apart for the Red Head.
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First of all MT what proof do you have that there are organised factions in the liberal party.
Blind Freddy knows there are moderate "small l" and conservative factions within the Liberal party. We've had two instances in the past couple of weeks with the fight between Abbott and Bishop in the party room over foreign aid cuts and Hockey going against Abbott and shadow immigration minister Morrison over the funding of flying asylum seekers to family funerals.
As for Abbott broken election promises - during the 2004 election campaign as health minister he gave a "cast-iron guarantee" that the Medicare safety net would not be raised. One year later it was raised because of cost blowouts.
Abbott's response when asked by Laurie Oakes about breaking his election promise:
"Well, Laurie, when I made that statement, in the election campaign, I had not the slightest inkling that there would ever be any intention to change this. But obviously when circumstances change, governments do change their opinions, and that is actually the responsible course of action."
http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1761.asp?s=1
So typical of the hyprocrisy of Phoney Tony....
A levy is wrong and an unnecessary tax unless he wants to introduce one;
A simple carbon tax makes sense when he suggested it back in 2009 but it's a great big tax on everything now;
A statement is only true when it's in writing and not out of his gob;
A broken election promise means you're a liar unless he breaks one where it becomes a responsible course of action;
etc...
Hello Animal Farm rules! :rollin
All pollies lie and break election promises. That's why no one trusts them.
you FAILED to answer the question MT. I asked for PROOF. Yes there may be difference of opinion and those that lean more left or centre but I asked you to prove that there are ORGANISED factions as the Labor party have. Please answer the question honestly.
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First of all MT what proof do you have that there are organised factions in the liberal party.
Blind Freddy knows there are moderate "small l" and conservative factions within the Liberal party. We've had two instances in the past couple of weeks with the fight between Abbott and Bishop in the party room over foreign aid cuts and Hockey going against Abbott and shadow immigration minister Morrison over the funding of flying asylum seekers to family funerals.
As for Abbott broken election promises - during the 2004 election campaign as health minister he gave a "cast-iron guarantee" that the Medicare safety net would not be raised. One year later it was raised because of cost blowouts.
Abbott's response when asked by Laurie Oakes about breaking his election promise:
"Well, Laurie, when I made that statement, in the election campaign, I had not the slightest inkling that there would ever be any intention to change this. But obviously when circumstances change, governments do change their opinions, and that is actually the responsible course of action."
http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1761.asp?s=1
So typical of the hyprocrisy of Phoney Tony....
A levy is wrong and an unnecessary tax unless he wants to introduce one;
A simple carbon tax makes sense when he suggested it back in 2009 but it's a great big tax on everything now;
A statement is only true when it's in writing and not out of his gob;
A broken election promise means you're a liar unless he breaks one where it becomes a responsible course of action;
etc...
Hello Animal Farm rules! :rollin
All pollies lie and break election promises. That's why no one trusts them.
you FAILED to answer the question MT. I asked for PROOF. Yes there may be difference of opinion and those that lean more left or centre but I asked you to prove that there are ORGANISED factions as the Labor party have. Please answer the question honestly.
Sorry I'm not going to play a game of semantics. Every party has factions whether formally recognised or not (even the ALP constitution makes no mention of its factions such as the Socialist Left or the Labor Right). Factions are used to influence things such as policy, preselections and positions on the front bench. Each faction won't allow the other(s) to dominate a party. It's how politics works and how people rise up the party ladder. It is very naive to believe in some idealistic preselection where two candidates have no idea who is going to vote for them and just put their names up and everyone else votes independently on who they think is the best candidate. Politics is a numbers game and factions are all part of the course....
Anyway from the Liberal Party:
BRUCE BAIRD: Currently we have a situation where factions push for certain candidates because they're factionally aligned to them rather than what is in the best interests of the Party.
I mean a classic example was in my own seat where there was certainly a push to have a particular individual pre-selected and you know without looking at the issue as was the candidate appropriate for the electorate; was he likely to win?
And we certainly need a change in terms of the way in which the factions currently operate.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2118506.htm
Religious right chief defeats challenger (http://www.smh.com.au/national/religious-right-chief-defeats-challenger-20100219-om3k.html)
Police called to Liberal factions melee (http://www.hillsnews.com.au/news/local/news/general/police-called-to-liberal-factions-melee/1638602.aspx)
Costello's faction under fire (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/costellos-faction-under-fire/2008/02/14/1202760494762.html)
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The flood levy has passed both houses of parliament.
All states will forced to have independent assessments of insurance arrangements as part of deal for flood levy to pass through parliament.
Source: 3aw twitter
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I don't think the Feds can make states pay for insurance.
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I don't think the Feds can make states pay for insurance.
They can force the States to by depriving them of Federal disaster relief monies if they don't have insurance. It's really only one state - Queensland - who has to change.
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Can someone confirm what i read that Australia contributes about only 1.8% of emissions worldwide yet we are the first country to go down this carbon tax path.
I'm sorry if i offend anyone but Gillard has completely lost the plot. My father is too blinded by his Labour loyalty to see it. I voted for the Labour party all my life, but i now regret that decision. Rudd was a far better PM than this woman.
Bob Brown bloke rubs me up the wrong way. Its as if he is pulling all the strings now and runs the show. Next gay marriages, heroin injecting rooms in the neighbourhood.
Labour are gone. She might as well walk now and take Abbott with her. We are screwed either way.
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The carbon tax will never get up. It's politically too difficult to sell especially in the current political climate. Brown has got the ALP by the balls and it's all going to go to the poo...
Back to the polls, and the libs will win in a landslide.
It's also not the magic bullet it's being made out to be. Apparently $9 billion raised per year, yet 2/3rds are anticipated to be returned to cover the low an middle class (and I'll bet the big companies) via tax credits.
So what's the point?
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Our global emissions are bugger all compared to the rest of the world yet julliar is going to freely permit the export of huge amounts of coal to two of the biggest polluters on the globe, China and India and guess what, they have no carbon tax or ETS. So if anyone wants to use the term hypocrite, it can be used to describe Gillard in a nutshell. So she is now a liar and a Hypocrite. Sorry but not a person I want leading our country.
Important point: Jillard will kill the only true export advantage that industry has in this country, cheap electricity and the side effect will be massive job losses and industry forced to go overseas in order to remain competitive.
All this debate will be a moot point come the next election anyway (which I believe will be sooner rather than later) as many labor voters are already jumping ship and those nutters Wilkie, Oakeshott and Windsor will be put to the sword by their own constituents for being totally incompetent, self serving and not reflecting the true feelings of the people who put them there.
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A global ETS is coming. Business around the world wouldn't be preparing for one if to stop it was to simply vote in conservative governments. You can guarantee once it is in the Libs won't repeal it. There's a financial impost on companies who produce all other forms of air, ground and water waste. They just can't freely dump it into the environment. CO2 as a byproduct of burning fossil fuels is the only waste product that you can. Even the Libs have publicly stated they believe in climate change (now who was the hypocrite who said before it was all crap ::) ) with their "direct action" policy. Good luck with that one when the rest of the world is running a free-market ETS.
Just on the independents - you'll find a significant proportion of their preferential vote are non-Coalition supporters. If you supported the Nats or Libs why would you vote for an independent. There also the fact that traditionally the non-Labor vote can be a strange mixture of four types - (i) non-interventionist on both economical and social issues (ii) non-interventionist on economics but interventionist on social issues (iii) interventionist on economics but non-interventionist on social issues and (iv) interventionist on both economics and social issues. Roughly Turnball would fit in category (i), Abbott in (ii) while Katter would fit into category (iv) being a socially conservative protectionist. Oakeshott and Windsor for all I know may have views closer to Gillard than Abbott. Windsor hates Abbott anyway. Remember the non-Labor parties in the early days were simply not fans of trade unions and so you could have lefties, the old Right, protectionists and free-market supporters all against the ALP. The ALP has survived as a single party despite splits whereas the non-Labor parties have broken up, died and been reborn many times under different names since Federation. The only reason there's a Coalition in the first place is to prevent the ALP from being the dominant party in Parliament.
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Comments by Onesteel amusing
ONESTEEL has hit out at the federal government, saying uncertainty surrounding policy decisions is directly affecting the steelmaker's bottom line.
The comments came as OneSteel recorded a 5 per cent rise in underlying profit to $125 million for the first half of the 2010-11 financial year.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/onesteel-says-policy-uncertainty-is-hurting-20110222-1b431.html
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A global ETS is coming.
Please show links and proof that India and China have said they will sign a global ETS agreement.
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Can someone confirm what i read that Australia contributes about only 1.8% of emissions worldwide yet we are the first country to go down this carbon tax path.
India and China will be increasing there output over next decade more then our annual output. So to Tax it is just a dumb idea that will not change the future climate what so ever.
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A global ETS is coming.
Please show links and proof that India and China have said they will sign a global ETS agreement.
I didn't state a definite timeframe however as nations and economic blocks introduce their own ETS or some carbon price mechanism, global market forces will demand a global ETS to maximise the available carbon permits and minimise carbon permit prices. The stock market evolves rather than being some instant construct; the world didn't wait until there was an international agreement on every existing tradable commodity and investment security before starting to trade them. It's simply a market opens up somewhere and given the globalisation of the world economy everyone else who wants to participate joins in. Europe has had a ETS for the past six years which we can learn the pros and cons from and now others elsewhere are developing their own carbon pricing scheme including us, China and India.
China to launch energy cap-and-trade trials in green push (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/05/us-china-npc-energy-idUSTRE7240VX20110305)
India to unveil emissions trading scheme on February 1 (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-01-27/news/28430106_1_emissions-trading-pollution-control-emission-levels)
As of now there exists an ETS in 31 countries so so much for us being the only country planning to price carbon as Abbott claims.
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Trust you to mess up arguments with facts MT.
Homer would be very disappointed with you.
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MT when people start losing there jobs and cant afford to put food on there table at home. You go and tell them that they needed to lose there job to cut our 1.8% of the global carbon output while people in China can pick up there work and pollute all they like.
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not a lot wrong with an ETS so long as it's done right, it's the Carbon Tax in the meantime that is the joke. two very different things.
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MT when people start losing there jobs and cant afford to put food on there table at home. You go and tell them that they needed to lose there job to cut our 1.8% of the global carbon output while people in China can pick up there work and pollute all they like.
Guilt trips don't work. People were saying the same thing in the 80s when opposed to Hawke & Keating opening up the economy and reduced tarriffs exposing old industries highly dependent on protectionism; now 25 years later it's classed as successful economic reforms that have benefited Australia overall to this day. The world changes over time to meet the needs and challenges of the day and as a result so does industry and technologies. Old ones die or at least shrink replaced by new/updated ones producing new entrepreneurial opportunites and new jobs. That's the way of the world.
I should add both sides of Australian politics have committed to at least a 5% reduction below year 2000 emission levels by 2020 whatever the rest of the world does. If we do nothing we are on track of being +24% above 2000 levels. So something has to give whoever wins the next election. That's the argued flaw in the Coalition's "direct action" plan where it will still leave us at +17% above 2000 levels and as a result we as a country and as taxpayers will need to pay an additional $20 billion in international permits by 2020 on top of the cost of the "direct action" policy to satisfy the 5% reduction target. There's no avoiding a price being paid in relation to our dependence on fossil fuels. I'd rather support a free market scheme such as a ETS that can eventually easily merge with a global ETS than some ad hoc policy developed on the run by someone who politically needs to pretend he'll do something about CO2 emissions despite claiming the science is all "crap".
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your right both sides have agreed to cut emissions. Why group is doing this by working with business and direct investment in cleaner ways while the other is doing it by just pushing the carbon output offshore and costing jobs.
It's not a guilt trip its just saying how real these job loses will happen. I bet this won't even cut much into emissions as big business will just push prices onto the consumer and the government is giving the consumer money to pay for the price rises. So lets call it what it is a redistribution tax. Labor take there policy ideas straight out of Karl Marx book of Marxism.
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your right both sides have agreed to cut emissions. Why group is doing this by working with business and direct investment in cleaner ways while the other is doing it by just pushing the carbon output offshore and costing jobs.
It's not a guilt trip its just saying how real these job loses will happen. I bet this won't even cut much into emissions as big business will just push prices onto the consumer and the government is giving the consumer money to pay for the price rises. So lets call it what it is a redistribution tax. Labor take there policy ideas straight out of Karl Marx book of Marxism.
Damn you comrade Malcolm Turnball you bloody ETS supporting commie :lol. I better check if he's hiding under my bed :laugh:.
No the Coalition plan is going to directly cost taxpayers an extra $20 billion by 2020 (that's around $720 extra a year per taxpayer compared to $300 under a free-market ETS) on top of the cost of their 'direct action' and for that we'll still be producing +17% above 2020 emissions. There's no financial cost or reason for companies that produce high emissions of CO2 to change any their production behaviours by 2020 as all the cost for the nation's emissions will be all directly borne by the taxpayer - even those who are or will be significantly using renewable technology for their energy needs. I thought Phoney Tony said he's against a great big new tax ::) and the Libs supported free-market user-pay policies ;). All we'll be doing as a nation is forking out tens of billions of dollars OS buying international permits which will continually increase in cost to meet our emission obligations and protect old industries while the rest of the world moves to a ETS and gets the jump on developing renewable energies and technologies which lead to new industries and new jobs for the future (so much for not pushing jobs OS). Technologies change to meet the demands and circumstances of the times. Stay still and you get left behind; adapt and you find new opportunities. We're not still riding around in a horse and cart because we're afraid coachmen will be out of a job if we switched to driving our own motor cars or refusing to use computers to send emails because it puts postmen out of a job. That's protectionist speak. The make-up of the Australian economy 30-40 years ago was different to what it is now and it will again be different in 30-40 years time. That's just reality as we progress and evolve.
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Is carbon dioxide a pollution? We should stop Julia speaking because it's spewing out of her mouth.
What's funny is the tears emmitted during her "I'm in America" speach. How can anyone not see this charlatan for what she really is???
Why was she crying?? Was she remembering her uni days when she was anti-American and was she crying at how low she was stooping?? Or was she crying because she was recalling how beautiful Bono said the same thing at a U2 concert.?????
Am i the only one on this forum that can see her disingenuous rhetoric for what it is?
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her speech in america was disgraceful, just a shameful suck job. what a disgrace.
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Is carbon dioxide a pollution? We should stop Julia speaking because it's spewing out of her mouth.
What's funny is the tears emmitted during her "I'm in America" speach. How can anyone not see this charlatan for what she really is???
Why was she crying?? Was she remembering her uni days when she was anti-American and was she crying at how low she was stooping?? Or was she crying because she was recalling how beautiful Bono said the same thing at a U2 concert.?????
Am i the only one on this forum that can see her disingenuous rhetoric for what it is?
And Tony Abbott is any better?
FFS they are politicians.
What do you really expect from them?
:help
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Is carbon dioxide a pollution? We should stop Julia speaking because it's spewing out of her mouth.
What's funny is the tears emmitted during her "I'm in America" speach. How can anyone not see this charlatan for what she really is???
Why was she crying?? Was she remembering her uni days when she was anti-American and was she crying at how low she was stooping?? Or was she crying because she was recalling how beautiful Bono said the same thing at a U2 concert.?????
Am i the only one on this forum that can see her disingenuous rhetoric for what it is?
And Tony Abbott is any better?
FFS they are politicians.
What do you really expect from them?
:help
the truth. Ok they are politicians.
Tony Abbott isn't the same as Julia Gillard.
Julia lies to us and won't admit the lie. She tells us there is a real Julia and a not so real one. She cries but it's hard to believe it's sincere.
For all his annoying mannerisms and fasion sense it's Tony Abbotts honesty that gets him into trouble. When has he never admitted he told a lie?
If someone has considered an issue and changed there mind and admitted it then fair enough but don't take us for fools and admit you made a mistake or lied to us. We are all human after all.
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the truth. Ok they are politicians.
Tony Abbott isn't the same as Julia Gillard.
Julia lies to us and won't admit the lie. She tells us there is a real Julia and a not so real one. She cries but it's hard to believe it's sincere.
For all his annoying mannerisms and fasion sense it's Tony Abbotts honesty that gets him into trouble. When has he never admitted he told a lie?
If someone has considered an issue and changed there mind and admitted it then fair enough but don't take us for fools and admit you made a mistake or lied to us. We are all human after all.
Don't forget Julia walks like a duck with a stick stuck up her arse. She's an embarrassment
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the truth. Ok they are politicians.
Tony Abbott isn't the same as Julia Gillard.
Julia lies to us and won't admit the lie. She tells us there is a real Julia and a not so real one. She cries but it's hard to believe it's sincere.
For all his annoying mannerisms and fasion sense it's Tony Abbotts honesty that gets him into trouble. When has he never admitted he told a lie?
If someone has considered an issue and changed there mind and admitted it then fair enough but don't take us for fools and admit you made a mistake or lied to us. We are all human after all.
Don't forget Julia walks like a duck with a stick stuck up her behind. She's an embarrassment
We have had a few "embarrassing" PMs over the years.
Big eared Billy McMahon
Malcolm Fraser who once defined poor as a family who only had one car.
The ocker Bob Hawke.
and the lst go on...
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the truth. Ok they are politicians.
Tony Abbott isn't the same as Julia Gillard.
Julia lies to us and won't admit the lie. She tells us there is a real Julia and a not so real one. She cries but it's hard to believe it's sincere.
For all his annoying mannerisms and fasion sense it's Tony Abbotts honesty that gets him into trouble. When has he never admitted he told a lie?
If someone has considered an issue and changed there mind and admitted it then fair enough but don't take us for fools and admit you made a mistake or lied to us. We are all human after all.
Don't forget Julia walks like a duck with a stick stuck up her behind. She's an embarrassment
We have had a few "embarrassing" PMs over the years.
Big eared Billy McMahon
Malcolm Fraser who once defined poor as a family who only had one car.
The ocker Bob Hawke.
and the lst go on...
But some of the opposition leaders have left alot to be desired also.
Mark "Whopper at Hungry Jacks" and "60 minutes" Latham.
Alexander "The Things That Batter" Downer.
John "I challenge the PM to......" Hewson
and how about Tony right now.
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Is carbon dioxide a pollution?
Pollution: the presence in or introduction into the environment of a substance which has harmful or poisonous effects. (Oxford Dictionary)
Not all substances are pollution absolutely. Some substances only become a pollutant (ie. become harmful) when in high concentrations or in excess of natural equilibrium levels. CO2 fits this latter category when it's the waste product from the burning of fossil fuels (hydrocarbons) and is pumped by us straight into the atmosphere increasing the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere and enhancing the greenhouse effect artifically. It's not the fact that there's CO2 in the atmosphere that's the issue; it's the fact CO2 levels are ever increasing which if allowed to continue unabated will lead to increasingly harmful effects (climate change).
One of the anti-climate change arguments appears to be that because CO2 is needed for photosynthesis, is odourless and exists in beer lol :thumbsup, it must be good stuff. And since it's good stuff it can't be a pollutant. Molecules however aren't either good or bad - they just have their various properties and effects. Oxygen (O2) and Nitrogen (N2) are simplistically good stuff as well as they are the main components of the air we breathe but in 100% concentrations (at atmospheric pressure or higher with Oxygen) they are toxic gases and we'd all die.
Anyway I see on the news Abbott at his rally with far-right wing nutters like Hanson, One Nation and the anti-semetic Australian League of Rights. What have any of these looney groups' views got to do with the issue of pricing carbon ::). No wonder the polls have turned against Abbott. One minute climate change is "crap", then it's real, then it's not (CO2 isn't really a villian), then the next day it's really happening again, and then the next he associates with fruitloop denialists of all sorts ::). You can't be all things to all men as Phoney Tony is trying to be.
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Productivity Commission chairman Gary Banks has also cautioned the government to be wary of setting a carbon price based on estimates of the abatement costs of existing schemes in other countries.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/key-adviser-gary-banks-sees-risk-in-carbon-tax/story-fn59niix-1226027047169
More evidence that this new tax could lead to pushing jobs offshore due to uncompetitiveness in the business sector because theres no global agreement set in place.
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Productivity Commission chairman Gary Banks has also cautioned the government to be wary of setting a carbon price based on estimates of the abatement costs of existing schemes in other countries.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/key-adviser-gary-banks-sees-risk-in-carbon-tax/story-fn59niix-1226027047169
More evidence that this new tax could lead to pushing jobs offshore due to uncompetitiveness in the business sector because theres no global agreement set in place.
Depends on what carbon price is set and the compensation packages.
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why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.
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why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.
You will need to replace loopy Abbott as leader before you can be assured of a win.
:cheers
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why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.
haha I think its pretty obvious why they wouldn't do that.
Labor and Greens will lose there powers 2 years early then they want to.
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I think tonight they said Garnaut is suggesting a carbon price of $26 per tonne. That won't make the Conservatives nor the Greens happy.
The minority government situation is curious when a Liberal leader wants a Labor speaker to stay on so he doesn't have to replace the speaker with a Liberal member and reduce the coalition's voting numbers in the lower house.
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ah, when neither of the opposing sides are happy you probably have it just about right.
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why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.
haha I think its pretty obvious why they wouldn't do that.
Labor and Greens will lose there powers 2 years early then they want to.
How long does one hold a Senate seat? ;D
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why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.
haha I think its pretty obvious why they wouldn't do that.
Labor and Greens will lose there powers 2 years early then they want to.
How long does one hold a Senate seat? ;D
They hold it for 6 years.
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why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.
haha I think its pretty obvious why they wouldn't do that.
Labor and Greens will lose there powers 2 years early then they want to.
How long does one hold a Senate seat? ;D
They hold it for 6 years.
Don't think the Greens are going anywhere then
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not sure who from the greens and other party's are up next senate election but one would think it'll most likely take 2 elections to remove them from balance of power. But in that time they could also increase there numbers also.
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not sure who from the greens and other party's are up next senate election but one would think it'll most likely take 2 elections to remove them from balance of power. But in that time they could also increase there numbers also.
Definitely if both of the majors are on the nose with the electorate.
Clearly Labor are with their carbon tax and a nation full of effwits and Mr Negative Tony Abbott leading the Libs, it's quite on the cards
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not sure who from the greens and other party's are up next senate election but one would think it'll most likely take 2 elections to remove them from balance of power. But in that time they could also increase there numbers also.
Definitely if both of the majors are on the nose with the electorate.
Clearly Labor are with their carbon tax and a nation full of effwits and Mr Negative Tony Abbott leading the Libs, it's quite on the cards
Yep. The only real difference in the two party's if it came to voting tomorrow IMO is the carbon tax. Now thats a problem for both partys. Because neither of them have stronge policy that I believe will bring us better prosperity and wealth in the future.
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whenever there is an election it has to include a half senate election or a double disolution of both houses, in the 2nd instance the senate is re-elected in full from what I remember from my school days 20+ years ago. In either case, the Greens will get slaughtered. They will lose there seat in the HoR which is currently held by Brandt. If theyre lucky theyll only have to contend with a half senate election, in any case they will lose some representation in the senate. In the case of a full senate election- the Greens will get wiped out in a similar fashion to the Australian Democrats. Australians are sick and tired of all these socialist twits stuffing up Australia. Seriously get em out NOW! And that includes the ALP who have become a party of unionist hacks and no hopers who carry on like conga line of suckholes to the yuppies. :lol
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whenever there is an election it has to include a half senate election or a double disolution of both houses, in the 2nd instance the senate is re-elected in full from what I remember from my school days 20+ years ago. In either case, the Greens will get slaughtered. They will lose there seat in the HoR which is currently held by Brandt. If theyre lucky theyll only have to contend with a half senate election, in any case they will lose some representation in the senate. In the case of a full senate election- the Greens will get wiped out in a similar fashion to the Australian Democrats. Australians are sick and tired of all these socialist twits effing up Australia. Seriously get em out NOW! And that includes the ALP who have become a party of unionist hacks and no hopers who carry on like conga line of suckholes to the yuppies. :lol
And replpace them with the Cats Meow ;D
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Labor should get Keating out of retirement. Thats when Labor Politics was fun. ;D
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Labor should get Keating out of retirement. Thats when Labor Politics was fun. ;D
Keating -v- Abbott - not fun = boring, no contest I wouldn't have thought
The master head kicker -v- the apprentice :lol
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Lets look at some facts here regarding global carbon emissions.
97% of Carbon emissions are caused by nature
3% of Carbon emissions are caused by Humans
Australia as a country is responsible for 1.5% of the 3% of human carbon emissions meaning we are responsible for .0005% of global carbon emissions.
You' don't hear these FACTS being mentioned in Parliament by the government do you!
And our incompetent government is prepared to put our economy at risk with a tax that will strike at the heart of every Australian.
Oh but Cate is urging us to say...."Yes"...But "Yes to what??". Put it to the people Dillard and see just how many people are willing to say "Yes" to a Tax based on inaccurate and poorly interpreted data.
You can put me down for a "NO!"
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Lets look at some facts here regarding global carbon emissions.
97% of Carbon emissions are caused by nature
3% of Carbon emissions are caused by Humans
Australia as a country is responsible for 1.5% of the 3% of human carbon emissions meaning we are responsible for .0005% of global carbon emissions.
You' don't hear these FACTS being mentioned in Parliament by the government do you!
Ah this old chestnut :lol. Sorry tiga but that claim conveniently leaves out that the emissions caused by nature have been part of the natural carbon cycle in the atmosphere for thousands arguably millions of years whereas the human component produced from the burning of fossil fuels is not (fossil fuels are buried underground, then mined to the surface, burnt to extract the energy stored within them, and the waste produced CO2 is released unhindered into the air) We are artifically adding to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere which has seen a rise by almost 40% over the past 150 years (280ppm to 390ppm). For those who argue it's not man-made (ie. burning of fossil fuels and deforestation) could they state what natural phenomena has increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere by 40% in 150 years and continues to increase it? I'll give you a help it's not volcanic or solar activity either. And could they then publish their findings in a recognised scientific journal on climate science. I'm sure the scientists would love a good laugh ;D.
Furthermore by artifically increasing CO2 levels which is a greenhouse gas we are artifically enhancing the greenhouse effort which as we know is a feedback mechanism so the Earth absorbs more thermal energy. As the amount of thermal energy absorbed has to equal the amount emitted to reach an equilibrium, if more thermal energy is being absorbed thanks to significantly increased levels of CO2 then the average global temperature of the Earth has to rise. This is basic physics FFS! More thermal energy = rising average global temperature = global warming and climate change. Of course to the Andrew Bolt's of this world it's all a conspiracy theory because all these nasty scientists aren't telling them what they want to hear :wallywink.
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Worst tax at the worst time. Outside of the mining sector the country is not growing. property prices are stable or falling. Swan could do some real damage to the economy if he pushes this tax through. Make no mistake this tax is only to cover there spending and get there surplus. For them to label it as something that will save the planet is nothing short of a lie. But unfortunately people believe anything there told these days.
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When is there a good time for any new tax?! It's hardly a popular thing to do. The economy was hardly booming when the GST was introduced.
The world is moving towards pricing carbon (dioxide emissions) whether some want to believe it or not.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-05/10/content_9826546.htm
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-01/india-to-raise-535-million-from-carbon-tax-on-coal.html
http://www.cotce.ca.gov/documents/correspondence/staff_and_commissioners/documents/Carbon%20tax.pdf
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1492651/at-a-glance-carbon-taxes-around-the-world
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-05/10/content_9826546.htm
Have you read that article MT?
Carbon tax likely, expert forecasts
"We expect China will start to levy various taxes"
These things are not promises from the government on doing anything. The article is over a year old and nothing has been done.
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Also MT if china are so happy with having an ETS why are they fighting the EU over extra costs that will hamper there business that it will effect due to there ETS.
China gets tough over EU ETS inclusion
http://www.greenaironline.com/news.php?viewStory=1232
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-05/10/content_9826546.htm
Have you read that article MT?
Carbon tax likely, expert forecasts
"We expect China will start to levy various taxes"
These things are not promises from the government on doing anything. The article is over a year old and nothing has been done.
What do you mean nothing has been done. I did say the world is moving towards carbon pricing and trading.
Professor Garnaut said the emerging power was trialling carbon trading in five provinces and three cities - Tianjin, Shanghai and Beijing.
http://www.skynews.com.au/businessnews/article.aspx?id=594916
Sun Cuihua, the vice-director of the climate change department at the National Development and Reform Commission, told conference that the trading schemes will begin in the cities of Beijing, Chongqing, Shanghai and Tianjin and the provinces of Hubei and Guangdong.
"We hope to roll out the pilot regional schemes before 2013 and scale up to a national scheme from 2015,"
http://www.climatespectator.com.au/news/china-plans-nationwide-emissions-trading-2015
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Mt you are completely missing my point. The percentages are just semantics. My main cause of argument is the effectiveness of a carbon tax here in Australia v the positive change it would have on a global scale v the negative impact it will have on this country. To me the answer is a no brainer and you don't need a physics or chemistry degree to see that we will be adversely affected for little or no impact on the global scale.
China Carbon tax = No
India Carbon Tax = No
United States Carbon Tax = No
Australia??? whoop de doo! We are a matchstick in a bonfire when it comes to CO2 emissions. We pull our matchstick out of the fire and the fire will keep on burning.
So in the wonderful world of less CO2, tell me, where are my affordable energy alternatives? No Nuclear...No Gas....No good! So whilst everything I know of will go up in price and manufacturing will leave this country to go to all those other places where there will be no carbon tax just so they can compete.
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to continue that line of thought tiga, we could improve our economy by reducing all our environmental laws to the level of China and India. How much better would it be for the economy if we were not so strict on what we could do with all the waste industry produces?
Humans will stuff this planet in the name of money and sometimes the anarchist in me says just bring it on and let happen
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Obviously the government aren't worried about air pollution as long as its not carbon. In my local city a new shop has opened up selling wood fire heaters due to the current store that sells them are booming they have a long waiting list just to get one. The demand have gone up for wood fires due to electricity costs and now the government want the costs to keep going up turning even more people off air pumps to dirty air pollutant wood fires. All asthmatics can thank Gillard.
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:lol
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:lol
Not to worry the Lefty's (labor/green) will come up with a genius idea like they do with every problem. TAX IT MORE.
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When was the last time a government, of any persuasion, repealed a tax they disagreed with in opposition, when they next got into govt.
You watch, your beloevd libs will not repeal any carbon tax when they have the power to do so. This makes them them no better.
They are all tarred with the same brush.
keep barracking though. :thumbsup
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When was the last time a government, of any persuasion, repealed a tax they disagreed with in opposition, when they next got into govt.
You watch, your beloevd libs will not repeal any carbon tax when they have the power to do so. This makes them them no better.
They are all tarred with the same brush.
keep barracking though. :thumbsup
yes they will. Unlike Julia who said "there will no carbon tax under the government I lead"
They will get rid of it like Julia got rid of workchoices. All we ask as a democratic country is to vote for it.
Let's bring it to the people and we can all decide once and for all if we want a carbon tax.
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Lets look at some facts here regarding global carbon emissions.
97% of Carbon emissions are caused by nature
3% of Carbon emissions are caused by Humans
Australia as a country is responsible for 1.5% of the 3% of human carbon emissions meaning we are responsible for .0005% of global carbon emissions.
You' don't hear these FACTS being mentioned in Parliament by the government do you!
Ah this old chestnut :lol. Sorry tiga but that claim conveniently leaves out that the emissions caused by nature have been part of the natural carbon cycle in the atmosphere for thousands arguably millions of years whereas the human component produced from the burning of fossil fuels is not (fossil fuels are buried underground, then mined to the surface, burnt to extract the energy stored within them, and the waste produced CO2 is released unhindered into the air) We are artifically adding to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere which has seen a rise by almost 40% over the past 150 years (280ppm to 390ppm). For those who argue it's not man-made (ie. burning of fossil fuels and deforestation) could they state what natural phenomena has increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere by 40% in 150 years and continues to increase it? I'll give you a help it's not volcanic or solar activity either. And could they then publish their findings in a recognised scientific journal on climate science. I'm sure the scientists would love a good laugh ;D.
Furthermore by artifically increasing CO2 levels which is a greenhouse gas we are artifically enhancing the greenhouse effort which as we know is a feedback mechanism so the Earth absorbs more thermal energy. As the amount of thermal energy absorbed has to equal the amount emitted to reach an equilibrium, if more thermal energy is being absorbed thanks to significantly increased levels of CO2 then the average global temperature of the Earth has to rise. This is basic physics FFS! More thermal energy = rising average global temperature = global warming and climate change. Of course to the Andrew Bolt's of this world it's all a conspiracy theory because all these nasty scientists aren't telling them what they want to hear :wallywink.
why is it getting colder then? I'm freezing my balls off every morning.
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yes they will. Unlike Julia who said "there will no carbon tax under the government I lead"
They will get rid of it like Julia got rid of workchoices. All we ask as a democratic country is to vote for it.
Let's bring it to the people and we can all decide once and for all if we want a carbon tax.
al was talking about the repealing of a tax not a specific piece of legislation.
Though you are correct the Libs/Nats have said they will repeal the carbon tax if they win office at the next election. However they've also said (via Barnaby Joyce) that the will also repeal any income tax cuts that get introduced along with the carbon tax ... that would be really smart
What I am finding really amusing in all this is how the goal post keeping moving.
Another month another reason why we need to go to the polls. Back in Sept people wanted another election because we had a minority govt that they didn't vote for when in fact we got exactly what we voted for ;D
In Dec an election was needed because of the boats. In May it was the budget and the means testing of family allowances, now it's the carbon tax.
I'm looking forward to seeing what excuse/reason we get in July ;D
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Lets look at some facts here regarding global carbon emissions.
97% of Carbon emissions are caused by nature
3% of Carbon emissions are caused by Humans
Australia as a country is responsible for 1.5% of the 3% of human carbon emissions meaning we are responsible for .0005% of global carbon emissions.
You' don't hear these FACTS being mentioned in Parliament by the government do you!
Ah this old chestnut :lol. Sorry tiga but that claim conveniently leaves out that the emissions caused by nature have been part of the natural carbon cycle in the atmosphere for thousands arguably millions of years whereas the human component produced from the burning of fossil fuels is not (fossil fuels are buried underground, then mined to the surface, burnt to extract the energy stored within them, and the waste produced CO2 is released unhindered into the air) We are artifically adding to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere which has seen a rise by almost 40% over the past 150 years (280ppm to 390ppm). For those who argue it's not man-made (ie. burning of fossil fuels and deforestation) could they state what natural phenomena has increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere by 40% in 150 years and continues to increase it? I'll give you a help it's not volcanic or solar activity either. And could they then publish their findings in a recognised scientific journal on climate science. I'm sure the scientists would love a good laugh ;D.
Furthermore by artifically increasing CO2 levels which is a greenhouse gas we are artifically enhancing the greenhouse effort which as we know is a feedback mechanism so the Earth absorbs more thermal energy. As the amount of thermal energy absorbed has to equal the amount emitted to reach an equilibrium, if more thermal energy is being absorbed thanks to significantly increased levels of CO2 then the average global temperature of the Earth has to rise. This is basic physics FFS! More thermal energy = rising average global temperature = global warming and climate change. Of course to the Andrew Bolt's of this world it's all a conspiracy theory because all these nasty scientists aren't telling them what they want to hear :wallywink.
why is it getting colder then? I'm freezing my balls off every morning.
Local temperature and seasonal conditions. Something called Winter ;). Earth's axis is tilted at 23 degrees and (ignoring precession over long time scales) remains in place as the Earth orbits the Sun. So in our Summer the southern hemisphere is closer to the Sun and in our Winter the northern hemisphere is.
Speaking of orbiting the Sun, the political conservatives of Galileo's time were alsoall up in arms as they didn't like what they were being told. Some things never change ;D.
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yes they will. Unlike Julia who said "there will no carbon tax under the government I lead"
They will get rid of it like Julia got rid of workchoices. All we ask as a democratic country is to vote for it.
Let's bring it to the people and we can all decide once and for all if we want a carbon tax.
al was talking about the repealing of a tax not a specific piece of legislation.
Though you are correct the Libs/Nats have said they will repeal the carbon tax if they win office at the next election. However they've also said (via Barnaby Joyce) that the will also repeal any income tax cuts that get introduced along with the carbon tax ... that would be really smart
What I am finding really amusing in all this is how the goal post keeping moving.
Another month another reason why we need to go to the polls. Back in Sept people wanted another election because we had a minority govt that they didn't vote for when in fact we got exactly what we voted for ;D
In Dec an election was needed because of the boats. In May it was the budget and the means testing of family allowances, now it's the carbon tax.
I'm looking forward to seeing what excuse/reason we get in July ;D
I must have missed Abbott asking for an early election when he broke his promise after the 2004 election about not raising the health safety net or when the Libs introduced Workchoices without a mandate after the same election when they realised they had control of both houses. Oh that's right Tony said back then a Government had a right to change its mind :wallywink.
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I must have missed Abbott asking for an early election when he broke his promise after the 2004 election about not raising the health safety net or when the Libs introduced Workchoices without a mandate after the same election when they realised they had control of both houses. Oh that's right Tony said back then a Government had a right to change its mind :wallywink.
I must have missed that one because I was captivated by the then Prime Minister promising us all he wouldn't abuse the power of having control of both houses of parliament.... come to think of it was that another example of a politician lying to teh electorate :gobdrop :gobdrop
:rollin
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I must have missed Abbott asking for an early election when he broke his promise after the 2004 election about not raising the health safety net or when the Libs introduced Workchoices without a mandate after the same election when they realised they had control of both houses. Oh that's right Tony said back then a Government had a right to change its mind :wallywink.
I must have missed that one because I was captivated by the then Prime Minister promising us all he wouldn't abuse the power of having control of both houses of parliament.... come to think of it was that another example of a politician lying to teh electorate :gobdrop :gobdrop
:rollin
Yep every pollies manifesto should come with an asterix
* promises may be reneged at any stage after you vote for me
:yep
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I must have missed Abbott asking for an early election when he broke his promise after the 2004 election about not raising the health safety net or when the Libs introduced Workchoices without a mandate after the same election when they realised they had control of both houses. Oh that's right Tony said back then a Government had a right to change its mind :wallywink.
I must have missed that one because I was captivated by the then Prime Minister promising us all he wouldn't abuse the power of having control of both houses of parliament.... come to think of it was that another example of a politician lying to teh electorate :gobdrop :gobdrop
:rollin
Yep every pollies manifesto should come with an asterix
* promises may be reneged at any stage after you vote for me
:yep
I acknowledge that workchoices wasn't a great idea. They shouldve gone to the voting public with this agenda and put it to the people. I think it's wrong to deceive the people like this.
Can you both acknowledge that Julia & the labour party deceived the voting public on carbon tax?
Can you both acknowledge she and her deceiving party should have gone to the election with this agenda?
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Lets look at some facts here regarding global carbon emissions.
97% of Carbon emissions are caused by nature
3% of Carbon emissions are caused by Humans
Australia as a country is responsible for 1.5% of the 3% of human carbon emissions meaning we are responsible for .0005% of global carbon emissions.
You' don't hear these FACTS being mentioned in Parliament by the government do you!
Ah this old chestnut :lol. Sorry tiga but that claim conveniently leaves out that the emissions caused by nature have been part of the natural carbon cycle in the atmosphere for thousands arguably millions of years whereas the human component produced from the burning of fossil fuels is not (fossil fuels are buried underground, then mined to the surface, burnt to extract the energy stored within them, and the waste produced CO2 is released unhindered into the air) We are artifically adding to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere which has seen a rise by almost 40% over the past 150 years (280ppm to 390ppm). For those who argue it's not man-made (ie. burning of fossil fuels and deforestation) could they state what natural phenomena has increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere by 40% in 150 years and continues to increase it? I'll give you a help it's not volcanic or solar activity either. And could they then publish their findings in a recognised scientific journal on climate science. I'm sure the scientists would love a good laugh ;D.
Furthermore by artifically increasing CO2 levels which is a greenhouse gas we are artifically enhancing the greenhouse effort which as we know is a feedback mechanism so the Earth absorbs more thermal energy. As the amount of thermal energy absorbed has to equal the amount emitted to reach an equilibrium, if more thermal energy is being absorbed thanks to significantly increased levels of CO2 then the average global temperature of the Earth has to rise. This is basic physics FFS! More thermal energy = rising average global temperature = global warming and climate change. Of course to the Andrew Bolt's of this world it's all a conspiracy theory because all these nasty scientists aren't telling them what they want to hear :wallywink.
why is it getting colder then? I'm freezing my balls off every morning.
Local temperature and seasonal conditions. Something called Winter ;). Earth's axis is tilted at 23 degrees and (ignoring precession over long time scales) remains in place as the Earth orbits the Sun. So in our Summer the southern hemisphere is closer to the Sun and in our Winter the northern hemisphere is.
Speaking of orbiting the Sun, the political conservatives of Galileo's time were alsoall up in arms as they didn't like what they were being told. Some things never change ;D.
very funny MT.
But all the doomsayers were preaching "global warming" have conveniently switched the term to "climate change" everytime there is a blizzard.
Is there ANY evidence that these increases and decreases in global temperatures are cyclic occuring atleast in approximately every 30 years?
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Tigra it is unfortunate that people (mainly green voters)now a days because we have been riding a mining boom for the past decade have turned into pro taxes and anti business supporters. They have somehow got it in there head that this carbon tax will save the planet from any change in climate change. They think that by Australia leading the world in pushing through a carbon tax it will make India, China, Brazil, Indonesia and USA the big and growing emitters of the world change there way and turn there back on there own manufacturing sector like we are doing.
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I think it's hilarious that people get caught up in a scientific idea that keeps changing more times than the weather in Melbourne.
These videos I think are very interesting. But who could argue with Dr Spock?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvsAIyUAGyY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox2gmyCXjWk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFN3fGuSSlg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I think it's hilarious that people get caught up in a scientific idea that keeps changing more times than the weather in Melbourne.
These videos I think are very interesting. But who could argue with Dr Spock?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvsAIyUAGyY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox2gmyCXjWk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFN3fGuSSlg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Didn't mamma tell you not to believe everything the papers and tv tells you ;).
The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus
Thomas C. Peterson
NOAA/National Climatic Data Center, Asheville, North Carolina
William M. Connolley
British Antarctic Survey, National Environment Research Council, Cambridge, United Kingdom
John Fleck
Albuquerque Journal, Albuquerque, New Mexico
Abstract
Climate science as we know it today did not exist in the 1960s and 1970s. The integrated enterprise embodied in the Nobel Prizewinning work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change existed then as separate threads of research pursued by isolated groups of scientists. Atmospheric chemists and modelers grappled with the measurement of changes in carbon dioxide and atmospheric gases, and the changes in climate that might result. Meanwhile, geologists and paleoclimate researchers tried to understand when Earth slipped into and out of ice ages, and why. An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales. More importantly than showing the falsehood of the myth, this review describes how scientists of the time built the foundation on which the cohesive enterprise of modern climate science now rests.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1
Full paper here:
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1
In any case no one denies knowledge of Earth's climate has improved over the past 40 years which advances in technology and understanding. That goes for every field of endeavour.
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Lets look at some facts here regarding global carbon emissions.
97% of Carbon emissions are caused by nature
3% of Carbon emissions are caused by Humans
Australia as a country is responsible for 1.5% of the 3% of human carbon emissions meaning we are responsible for .0005% of global carbon emissions.
You' don't hear these FACTS being mentioned in Parliament by the government do you!
Ah this old chestnut :lol. Sorry tiga but that claim conveniently leaves out that the emissions caused by nature have been part of the natural carbon cycle in the atmosphere for thousands arguably millions of years whereas the human component produced from the burning of fossil fuels is not (fossil fuels are buried underground, then mined to the surface, burnt to extract the energy stored within them, and the waste produced CO2 is released unhindered into the air) We are artifically adding to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere which has seen a rise by almost 40% over the past 150 years (280ppm to 390ppm). For those who argue it's not man-made (ie. burning of fossil fuels and deforestation) could they state what natural phenomena has increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere by 40% in 150 years and continues to increase it? I'll give you a help it's not volcanic or solar activity either. And could they then publish their findings in a recognised scientific journal on climate science. I'm sure the scientists would love a good laugh ;D.
Furthermore by artifically increasing CO2 levels which is a greenhouse gas we are artifically enhancing the greenhouse effort which as we know is a feedback mechanism so the Earth absorbs more thermal energy. As the amount of thermal energy absorbed has to equal the amount emitted to reach an equilibrium, if more thermal energy is being absorbed thanks to significantly increased levels of CO2 then the average global temperature of the Earth has to rise. This is basic physics FFS! More thermal energy = rising average global temperature = global warming and climate change. Of course to the Andrew Bolt's of this world it's all a conspiracy theory because all these nasty scientists aren't telling them what they want to hear :wallywink.
why is it getting colder then? I'm freezing my balls off every morning.
Local temperature and seasonal conditions. Something called Winter ;). Earth's axis is tilted at 23 degrees and (ignoring precession over long time scales) remains in place as the Earth orbits the Sun. So in our Summer the southern hemisphere is closer to the Sun and in our Winter the northern hemisphere is.
Speaking of orbiting the Sun, the political conservatives of Galileo's time were alsoall up in arms as they didn't like what they were being told. Some things never change ;D.
very funny MT.
But all the doomsayers were preaching "global warming" have conveniently switched the term to "climate change" everytime there is a blizzard.
Is there ANY evidence that these increases and decreases in global temperatures are cyclic occuring atleast in approximately every 30 years?
No evidence whatsoever. There is a cycle over 10,000s of years based on what is known as Milankovitch cycles relating to the precession and change in the tilt of the Earth's axis over such large time scales. Global warming due to increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere has occurred over just the past 150 years (40% increase and rising). The phrases global warming and climate change aren't new either.
I'm sure Andrew Bolt will tell you the world is cooling because there's blizzards in North American and northern Europe :sleep.
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Tigra it is unfortunate that people (mainly green voters)now a days because we have been riding a mining boom for the past decade have turned into pro taxes and anti business supporters. They have somehow got it in there head that this carbon tax will save the planet from any change in climate change. They think that by Australia leading the world in pushing through a carbon tax it will make India, China, Brazil, Indonesia and USA the big and growing emitters of the world change there way and turn there back on there own manufacturing sector like we are doing.
Most of Australia's old-school manufacturing sector was killed off long ago. The price of opening up the Australian economy by abolishing tarriffs and trade barriers. There was plenty of short-term pain in the switch (1990 recession) but the country is now better for it. Imagine if we tried to hold on to a protectionist policy - apart from the country been driven into the ground as was by 1982 for a further 30 years :help, we'd be living in country with high prices for basic items, high unemployment because we didn't move to towards the good, services and jobs of the future (2011) and we'd be copping it left, right and centre from other countries imposing similar trade barriers on the goods we would want to sell to them making us uncompetitive. Look at the USA - Ford and GM failed to move with times and virtually sent themselves to the wall because they stuck to old ideas about Americans wanting big cars. You don't move with the times you get left behind and go out of business.
I'm not that naive to believe this current push around the world to put a price on carbon is just pollies and big business suddenly finding a green heart. IIRC being "developing" nations like China and India don't have to complete system in place reducing their emissions until 2030 (develop nations like us need to have one by 2020; underdeveloped nations by 2040-50). Getting your hands on updated or new superior techology equates to power and $$$ which is why they are starting to act now. There's also the advantage for service industries if you're a low-carbon emission country selling carbon permits to those high-carbon emitting countries who'll need to buy them to meet their emission targets.
I'm no greeny just because I support a carbon price unless you believe Malcolm Turnbull is a greeny and anti-business lol. My first preference is a ETS as market-mechanisms have a history of working best and being most efficient. We'll be moving to one after 3 years of a fixed-priced carbon tax. As for being anti-business - was Henry Ford anti-business because mass-producing an accessible inexpensive car would've been most people working with the horse-drawn carriages, blacksmiths, etc out of business? That's life and that IS business. New technologies and industries are developed and they replace old outdated ones.
The whole point of pricing carbon is to increase the investment and development in new "cleaner" energy technologies and make them price competitive. I'm no pollie saying there'll be no price to be paid. However the longer we leave it or worst still we don't act at all then the price will be higher and not just environmentally. We'll be left behind. We've spent and wasted the best part of 10 years already squabbling with idiotic neo-cons over the validity of the science who have been shown to be wrong.
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I acknowledge that workchoices wasn't a great idea. They shouldve gone to the voting public with this agenda and put it to the people. I think it's wrong to deceive the people like this.
Can you both acknowledge that Julia & the labour party deceived the voting public on carbon tax?
Can you both acknowledge she and her deceiving party should have gone to the election with this agenda?
1. Gillard has publicly acknowledged she broke her promise.
2. No as Governments should be allowed to change policies midstream if circumstances change and to make unpopular decisions if they are in the long-term interests of the country. If people want to still vote them out at the next election then they can. Sheesh we'd be going to an election every 5 minutes if it was constitutional law to have one every time a pollie broke a promise lol.
Abbott only wants one now because he may not be leader in 2 years time.
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Mt you are completely missing my point. The percentages are just semantics. My main cause of argument is the effectiveness of a carbon tax here in Australia v the positive change it would have on a global scale v the negative impact it will have on this country. To me the answer is a no brainer and you don't need a physics or chemistry degree to see that we will be adversely affected for little or no impact on the global scale.
China Carbon tax = No
India Carbon Tax = No
United States Carbon Tax = No
Australia??? whoop de doo! We are a matchstick in a bonfire when it comes to CO2 emissions. We pull our matchstick out of the fire and the fire will keep on burning.
So in the wonderful world of less CO2, tell me, where are my affordable energy alternatives? No Nuclear...No Gas....No good! So whilst everything I know of will go up in price and manufacturing will leave this country to go to all those other places where there will be no carbon tax just so they can compete.
Energy bills to rise by 30% even without a carbon tax. Hardly an incentive to stay with the status quo either tiga :P.
I think I've answered most of the rest in my other posts somewhere. One way to boost a post count lol.
to continue that line of thought tiga, we could improve our economy by reducing all our environmental laws to the level of China and India. How much better would it be for the economy if we were not so strict on what we could do with all the waste industry produces?
Humans will eff this planet in the name of money and sometimes the anarchist in me says just bring it on and let happen
Reminds me of the fire drill episode in Fawlty Towers where Basil says to the guests in the lobby - "I don't why we bother, we should just let you all die" ;D
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I think it's hilarious that people get caught up in a scientific idea that keeps changing more times than the weather in Melbourne.
These videos I think are very interesting. But who could argue with Dr Spock?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvsAIyUAGyY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox2gmyCXjWk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFN3fGuSSlg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Didn't mamma tell you not to believe everything the papers and tv tells you ;).
hilarious. Why don't you take your own advice? I can show you heaps of crap these scientists tell us refuting man made climate change. The facts are this why is it that the government funded experts are in agreement with the governments agenda. Show me one scientist that doesn't beleive in man made climate global warming that is funded by a government or isn't that a convenient truth?
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Sounds like the old world-is-flat vs world-is-round argument ::)
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Mt you are completely missing my point. The percentages are just semantics. My main cause of argument is the effectiveness of a carbon tax here in Australia v the positive change it would have on a global scale v the negative impact it will have on this country. To me the answer is a no brainer and you don't need a physics or chemistry degree to see that we will be adversely affected for little or no impact on the global scale.
China Carbon tax = No
India Carbon Tax = No
United States Carbon Tax = No
Australia??? whoop de doo! We are a matchstick in a bonfire when it comes to CO2 emissions. We pull our matchstick out of the fire and the fire will keep on burning.
So in the wonderful world of less CO2, tell me, where are my affordable energy alternatives? No Nuclear...No Gas....No good! So whilst everything I know of will go up in price and manufacturing will leave this country to go to all those other places where there will be no carbon tax just so they can compete.
exactly tiga.
If people were really serious or this country then let's charge china am extra premium for using our coal. No let's not sell them any. And we will be the king of the world in the fight against global warming I mean climate change.!!
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Sounds like the old world-is-flat vs world-is-round argument ::)
I'm in the world is round side
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Labor is finished IMHO. If Gillard stays beyond this year itll take labor atleast a decade before they get re-elected. The Greens will be slaughtered over the next 2 federal election cycles, theyll be gone like the Australian Democrats. The best thing Gillard can do is call an election, lose but not lose as badly as she will in 12 or 18 months time and Labor can win again in 3 to 6 years. This has been a bad period for Labor. A lack of ready leadership, lack of ideas, being led by the nose by Bob Brown. Its just a bad time for Labor. Labor should go into opposition now so Shorten or Combet can be ready to takeover as PM as they develop their leadership CVs as opposition leader. Thats what Labor should do but Gillard is just for Gillard and as a result Labor and Australia will suffer coalition government for atleast a decade when she gets beaten by Abbott at the Polls and it wont be close result either.
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Labor is finished IMHO. If Gillard stays beyond this year itll take labor atleast a decade before they get re-elected. The Greens will be slaughtered over the next 2 federal election cycles, theyll be gone like the Australian Democrats. The best thing Gillard can do is call an election, lose but not lose as badly as she will in 12 or 18 months time and Labor can win again in 3 to 6 years. This has been a bad period for Labor. A lack of ready leadership, lack of ideas, being led by the nose by Bob Brown. Its just a bad time for Labor. Labor should go into opposition now so Shorten or Combet can be ready to takeover as PM as they develop their leadership CVs as opposition leader. Thats what Labor should do but Gillard is just for Gillard and as a result Labor and Australia will suffer coalition government for atleast a decade when she gets beaten by Abbott at the Polls and it wont be close result either.
Combet has his fingers all over this policy now. So he'll be toxic if this policy gets a backlash and liberals win next election. To be honest after Rudd beat Howard I thought Labor have a very good chance of being an easy 3 term majority government. People wanted change from the Howard government. But somehow Labor have got in and took the chance to be in power for granted. They have also back flipped on some big issues.
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Labor is finished IMHO. If Gillard stays beyond this year itll take labor atleast a decade before they get re-elected. The Greens will be slaughtered over the next 2 federal election cycles, theyll be gone like the Australian Democrats. The best thing Gillard can do is call an election, lose but not lose as badly as she will in 12 or 18 months time and Labor can win again in 3 to 6 years. This has been a bad period for Labor. A lack of ready leadership, lack of ideas, being led by the nose by Bob Brown. Its just a bad time for Labor. Labor should go into opposition now so Shorten or Combet can be ready to takeover as PM as they develop their leadership CVs as opposition leader. Thats what Labor should do but Gillard is just for Gillard and as a result Labor and Australia will suffer coalition government for atleast a decade when she gets beaten by Abbott at the Polls and it wont be close result either.
Combet has his fingers all over this policy now. So he'll be toxic if this policy gets a backlash and liberals win next election. To be honest after Rudd beat Howard I thought Labor have a very good chance of being an easy 3 term majority government. People wanted change from the Howard government. But somehow Labor have got in and took the chance to be in power for granted. They have also back flipped on some big issues.
labour are inept at implementing any scheme they think of. Pink bats, BER, cash for clunkers, etc. Is there anything they actually did well? The country voted them in with K Rudd as leader but they couldn't even keep him leader for 1 term! Instead they decided we were better off with a woman who said there was more chance of her lining up alongside Barry Hall then being labour leader. Within weeks she's knifed the most popular PM in years. Why because Labour couldn't organize a local BBQ without wasting billions of tax payer dollars and then burning all the sausages!
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Can you both acknowledge that Julia & the labour party deceived the voting public on carbon tax?
Can you both acknowledge she and her deceiving party should have gone to the election with this agenda?
1/ Yes she broke her promise on the carbon tax - not disputing it for a minute. But will say it again she isn't the first and won't be the last pollie to do it... Howard, Keating, Hawke, Fraser they all did it. Hell even Rudd did it by not having the "balls" to call an election and double disolution over his ETS - would won in a landslide IMHO. But he changed that policy mid term but just putting in a drawer somewhere - he was elected on the back of that ETS policy promise
2/ No - because some times you need to change policy during govt, we don't like it but it's the way it goes. It happens in business and this is what is happening here. Again the current govt aren't the first and wont be the last. Strong govts make tough and at times unpopular decisions - how strong this one is will be determined by this Tax and a number of other policies ...
So what do you make of Malcolm Turnball - traitor amongst the Libs, wanna be Leader or just a lowlife under mining Tony. He supports a carbon tax like he did a ETS - it cost him his job when he was knifed in the back by Tony. Please don't paint the Libs as being "lily whites" in the art of deception especially Tony Abbott ;D
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Labor is finished IMHO. If Gillard stays beyond this year itll take labor atleast a decade before they get re-elected. The Greens will be slaughtered over the next 2 federal election cycles, theyll be gone like the Australian Democrats. The best thing Gillard can do is call an election, lose but not lose as badly as she will in 12 or 18 months time and Labor can win again in 3 to 6 years. This has been a bad period for Labor. A lack of ready leadership, lack of ideas, being led by the nose by Bob Brown. Its just a bad time for Labor. Labor should go into opposition now so Shorten or Combet can be ready to takeover as PM as they develop their leadership CVs as opposition leader. Thats what Labor should do but Gillard is just for Gillard and as a result Labor and Australia will suffer coalition government for atleast a decade when she gets beaten by Abbott at the Polls and it wont be close result either.
I agree Ramps. Rudd was 100 times the better leader than this devil of a woman.
I cant think of 1 single thing she has done right. Even during the floods she was pretending to be something that she is not, thats a caring responsible and accountable woman.
Im sorry but i just cant see how people can say with a straight face that she should be in the position that she is in.
I am personally embarrassed to say that she is the leader of this country. She is so robotic, just doing what she is told by others.
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I must have missed Abbott asking for an early election when he broke his promise after the 2004 election about not raising the health safety net or when the Libs introduced Workchoices without a mandate after the same election when they realised they had control of both houses. Oh that's right Tony said back then a Government had a right to change its mind :wallywink.
I must have missed that one because I was captivated by the then Prime Minister promising us all he wouldn't abuse the power of having control of both houses of parliament.... come to think of it was that another example of a politician lying to teh electorate :gobdrop :gobdrop
:rollin
Yep every pollies manifesto should come with an asterix
* promises may be reneged at any stage after you vote for me
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I acknowledge that workchoices wasn't a great idea. They shouldve gone to the voting public with this agenda and put it to the people. I think it's wrong to deceive the people like this.
Can you both acknowledge that Julia & the labour party deceived the voting public on carbon tax?
Can you both acknowledge she and her deceiving party should have gone to the election with this agenda?
Tigra I agree they should at least acknowledge they have changed there policy from the election instead of claiming they have a mandate which we all know they don't have. Surely Labor have to change leaders again before next election Gillards word and credibility is shot to pieces. By going by the poll numbers if they don't start changing soon they are better off looking at how to set up be a strong opposition that can win government again after one term.
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Is there anything they actually did well?
Yeah I would think that keeping this country out of recession during the GFC when practically every other country went into recession is a bloody good achievement
For memory Tony & his treasuer in waiting (or is that leader in waiting ;D) Hockey would have happily sent us into recession instead
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In the meantime, mining companies go on their merry way ::)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/06/3236142.htm
A landmark community court case against the state government and a coal company planning to expand operations in central western New South Wales begins in Sydney today.
The Hunter Environment Lobby group is appealing against the state government approval last November for coal production to be doubled at a mine near Mudgee.
The Xstrata owned Ulan Mine plans to increase production from 10 million tonnes a year to 20 million tonnes a year for 21 years.
The environment group says the merits based appeal is the first in the state to argue against the greenhouse gas emissions caused by mining and the impact on groundwater systems.
The President, Jan Davis, says the government's approvals process will also come under scrutiny.
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Is there anything they actually did well?
Yeah I would think that keeping this country out of recession during the GFC when practically every other country went into recession is a bloody good achievement
For memory Tony & his treasuer in waiting (or is that leader in waiting ;D) Hockey would have happily sent us into recession instead
c'mon WP. You know liberals was only against the BER and the pink batt scheme which was nothing but wasteful spending by the government. We didn't have a subprime mortgage crisis like USA. China's stimulus kept the resources exporting and last of all we wasn't in debt prior to the GFC like most other nations that are in debt now.
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Can you both acknowledge that Julia & the labour party deceived the voting public on carbon tax?
Can you both acknowledge she and her deceiving party should have gone to the election with this agenda?
1/ Yes she broke her promise on the carbon tax - not disputing it for a minute. But will say it again she isn't the first and won't be the last pollie to do it... Howard, Keating, Hawke, Fraser they all did it. Hell even Rudd did it by not having the "balls" to call an election and double disolution over his ETS - would won in a landslide IMHO. But he changed that policy mid term but just putting in a drawer somewhere - he was elected on the back of that ETS policy promise
2/ No - because some times you need to change policy during govt, we don't like it but it's the way it goes. It happens in business and this is what is happening here. Again the current govt aren't the first and wont be the last. Strong govts make tough and at times unpopular decisions - how strong this one is will be determined by this Tax and a number of other policies ...
So what do you make of Malcolm Turnball - traitor amongst the Libs, wanna be Leader or just a lowlife under mining Tony. He supports a carbon tax like he did a ETS - it cost him his job when he was knifed in the back by Tony. Please don't paint the Libs as being "lily whites" in the art of deception especially Tony Abbott ;D
thanks for your answers WP. Malcom turnball you can have him. IMO he'd make an excellent labour leader. :thumbsup
on governments changing their minds on policy might be ok when it doesn't effect everyday austalian peoples livelyhood. When it effects alot of jobs (ie.workchoices), or our cost of living by way of major tax reform we must as a public be allowed to vote for it as we did the GST. You want a mandate from the people whom you serve, then take it to the people!!!
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Is there anything they actually did well?
Yeah I would think that keeping this country out of recession during the GFC when practically every other country went into recession is a bloody good achievement
For memory Tony & his treasuer in waiting (or is that leader in waiting ;D) Hockey would have happily sent us into recession instead
c'mon WP. You know liberals was only against the BER and the pink batt scheme which was nothing but wasteful spending by the government. We didn't have a subprime mortgage crisis like USA. China's stimulus kept the resources exporting and last of all we wasn't in debt prior to the GFC like most other nations that are in debt now.
exactly!!!
it's another debate completely, which other country and it's stimulus spending actually saved it from recession? The arguement is that it wasn't solely spending that saved us it was alot of factors that helped us. Is there anything else that this labour government has done right? They can't even get their leader right!! :lol
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c'mon WP. You know liberals was only against the BER and the pink batt scheme which was nothing but wasteful spending by the government. We didn't have a subprime mortgage crisis like USA. China's stimulus kept the resources exporting and last of all we wasn't in debt prior to the GFC like most other nations that are in debt now.
Sorry Mr Tigra - Tony & Joe were against the all of the stimulus plans put forward by the govt. Dont forget they blocked the first stimulus payment that the govt wanted to give each taxpayer...
they offerend no concrete alternative they just said (paraphrasing of course) "there's a GFC and it means recession for all ecomonies -nothing we can do" ;D
As for the BER - I think a few people need to go and visit a few schools, especially around regional Victoria and look at some of the benefits of that program. Can assure you Yackadandah Primary is pretty happy to have a new classrooms that bring it into the 21st century as opposed to what they had before. The entire thing wasn't a waste :thumbsup
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all that BER did was make builders busy for a couple of extra months. We have a housing shortage yes prices can come back a little but there not in free fall like in the USA and European country's. Best thing Rudd did was guarantee the banks so they could keep business going while the global market was tightening credit. Pink batt scheme was nothing more of a disaster for the industry that lead to deaths and corruption which has lead to cost blow outs of having to get projects rechecked for safety.
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WP, Do you honestly think that Gillard changed her mind on the Carbon Tax AFTER she was elected? Go and have a chat to Bob Brown. When asked in a press conference about his opinion on the Labor Government back pedaling on a carbon tax just prior to the election he said "From what he was told, a Carbon tax still going ahead as planned". Gillard Deceived us! (Well not me because I didn't vote for her) How do you think they got the greens preferences in the first place? It was all smoke and mirrors.
I can imagine Juliar saying to Bob Brown.... "Shhh secret squirrel on this Bob, We will tell the great unwashed that there will be no carbon tax, then we get elected and then bam we change....our.....mind."
This Government is now too busy trying to stay in power rather than making effective policy and we are starting to pay for it. They have become the masters of deflection. Wasting precious parliamentary time on accusations of sexism and racism or anything that deflects attention from effectively debating the real issues. (Shiny ball! Look! Shiny ball! :banghead)
Why don't they just bring in Kenny Craig as the next climate change minister...."Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around the eyes, look into my eyes. [click] You're under!....Global warming is happening at a disastrous rate and you must say YES!" 3,2,1....[click] You're back in the room... :lol
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and we have another two years of this crap (the pollies not the posters) to put up with from both sides.
:banghead
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thanks for your answers WP. Malcom turnball you can have him. IMO he'd make an excellent labour leader. :thumbsup
on governments changing their minds on policy might be ok when it doesn't effect everyday austalian peoples livelyhood. When it effects alot of jobs (ie.workchoices), or our cost of living by way of major tax reform we must as a public be allowed to vote for it as we did the GST. You want a mandate from the people whom you serve, then take it to the people!!!
But isn't this whole mandate the crux of the issue. Back in August we as a nation couldn't decide who to give the mandate too hence why we have what we have now. We had the opportunity and we as voters couldn't decide so now we have what we have like it or not. We need to take our medicine so to speak ;D
Are people that niave to think that if Lib/Nats were in govt they wouldn't be having to to deals with the Greens, indpendants as well. Please lets get real. No minority govt will go to the polls unless they absolutely have to. And if you think for one minute the Coalition would be doing things differently then you are living in noddy land
The other thing is everyone is assuming that if we have another election it would result in a result - got a news flash it isn't that clear cut IMO.
Polls mean very little if you are not polling in the right seats. You show me polling in the 5 most marginal seats in the country and I'll start paying attention. I ask has anyone on this site ever been polled?
for example here in Victoria for our new state Lib/Nat govt who've been in power since Nov are already starting to get up the noses of voters; which is no great surprise when you have Ministers sleeping in parliament, missing voting sessions and avoiding the one thing they really won the election and that is promising transparency and the ideal of open & honest govt. So based on that i reckon federal numbers in Vic would hold
Like last time NSW would be the key state & I wonder if the majority having given out the whacks last Aug and then in the state election if the whacking is to a degree done with.
WP, Do you honestly think that Gillard changed her mind on the Carbon Tax AFTER she was elected? Go and have a chat to Bob Brown. When asked in a press conference about his opinion on the Labor Government back pedaling on a carbon tax just prior to the election he said "From what he was told, a Carbon tax still going ahead as planned". Gillard Deceived us! (Well not me because I didn't vote for her) How do you think they got the greens preferences in the first place? It was all smoke and mirrors.
I can imagine Juliar saying to Bob Brown.... "Shhh secret squirrel on this Bob, We will tell the great unwashed that there will be no carbon tax, then we get elected and then bam we change....our.....mind."
This Government is now too busy trying to stay in power rather than making effective policy and we are starting to pay for it. They have become the masters of deflection. Wasting precious parliamentary time on accusations of sexism and racism or anything that deflects attention from effectively debating the real issues. (Shiny ball! Look! Shiny ball! :banghead)
As I said tiga, if you think the opposition wouldn't be doing or wouldn't have done exactly the same thing as the govt you are kidding yourself.
And as for deflection, again I don't think the govt is alone on that front. Perfect example: did you listen to the oppositions budget reply, all deflection and no substance or more to the point typical Abbott a list of what's wrong but no credible alternative. ;D
Believe it or not there is actually good coming out of what we have at the moment and that is for the first time in a long time people seem to be taking an interest in what's going on Canberra for far too long too many have been too complacent IMHO
What happens happens and we should all sit back and enjoy the ride ;D
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WP, Do you honestly think that Gillard changed her mind on the Carbon Tax AFTER she was elected? Go and have a chat to Bob Brown. When asked in a press conference about his opinion on the Labor Government back pedaling on a carbon tax just prior to the election he said "From what he was told, a Carbon tax still going ahead as planned". Gillard Deceived us! (Well not me because I didn't vote for her) How do you think they got the greens preferences in the first place? It was all smoke and mirrors.
I can imagine Juliar saying to Bob Brown.... "Shhh secret squirrel on this Bob, We will tell the great unwashed that there will be no carbon tax, then we get elected and then bam we change....our.....mind."
This Government is now too busy trying to stay in power rather than making effective policy and we are starting to pay for it. They have become the masters of deflection. Wasting precious parliamentary time on accusations of sexism and racism or anything that deflects attention from effectively debating the real issues. (Shiny ball! Look! Shiny ball! :banghead)
Why don't they just bring in Kenny Craig as the next climate change minister...."Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around the eyes, look into my eyes. [click] You're under!....Global warming is happening at a disastrous rate and you must say YES!" 3,2,1....[click] You're back in the room... :lol
:jump :jump :ROTFL :thatsgold
funniest post ever. And so true! :thumbsup
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*did you listen to the oppositions budget reply, all deflection and no substance or more to the point typical Abbott a list of what's wrong but no credible alternative.*
I think Abbott is doing a great job in opposition better then any Labor leader did. Seeing how Howard was in Majority rule for over a decade.
Abbott made history by making Labor dump there own PM in his first term. Then he ony came up 2 people short of kicking out a first term government.
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Abbott made history by making Labor dump there own PM in his first term.
Did he?
I think you are re-writing history T101. This was a text book case of factional implosion by the ALP. It had nothing to do with the mad monk.
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Before Abbott became leader Rudd was easily winning in the polls. He came in began a very strong anti-ETS campaign and anti-mining tax campaign in which the miners also took part in. Rudds popularity fell and Labor got scared they wasn't going to win the next election and the faction bosses dumped him.
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Before Abbott became leader Rudd was easily winning in the polls. He came in began a very strong anti-ETS campaign and anti-mining tax campaign in which the miners also took part in. Rudds popularity fell and Labor got scared they wasn't going to win the next election and the faction bosses dumped him.
That's an interesting slant on things. But I don't think Tony can take any credit for the disposal of Rudd as leader. Rudd's popularity fell because he lost his spine (though I am not sure he had one to lose ;D) over the ETS. If he & the Labor party had have the guts to go with a double disolution over the ETS they would have been returned easily. But unfortutnately for Kevin 07 he didn't and his popularity went south.
If you believe the polls over since Abbott's been leader they say he is less popular than the the current prime minister so I don't think he can claim any credit at all.
Is he doing a good job as opposition leader? That's up to people to decide. But if being the leader of the alternative govt in this great country is about telling me what's wrong but refusing to give me any concrete alternative policies I reckon he is doing a stunning job. Sasdy for Tony that's not what I want in an opposition
And delightful to see the 2009 Sky news vision of Tony saying how a price on carbon should/would work, and that's by introducing a "simple tax" that wouldn't "impact" to heavily as a major tax roll out would. ::) Now his minders are saying it's what he said but it isn't what he meant... Raises the questions: Has he flipped/flopped? In 2009 he would support a carbon tax but now he wont, what so different in 2011 compared to 2009? Has he deceived us? or is it OK to change your mind in opposition just not in govt? :rollin :rollin
Batter up :thumbsup
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Tony Abbott is popular because, in Opposition, he goes with whatever is popular with the electorate. It's a no brainer that everyone is against paying extra taxes
The test is when he has to govern and make decisions himself that are not popular.
Just play negative game to everything is Tony's theory and it's working for him
But he provides nothing as an alternative which is the real problem
Whether he likes it or not, a carbon tax or some other policy to combat climate issues, has to be addressed. The issue is not going to go away.
But there's a huge vacuum of emptiness coming from the other side!
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Gillard will be the next leader to be destroyed by the Abbott express ;D
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Here's Tony spin on a Carbon tax from 2009
Is he decieving us :rollin
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Abbott dogged by old carbon comment
June 7, 2011 - 7:11AM
Tony Abbott's past as a climate change "weather vane" has come back to haunt him - again.
The opposition leader has been shown spruiking a carbon tax in an old interview that was aired on ABC Television yesterday.
"If you want to put a price on carbon, why not just do it with a simple tax?" Mr Abbott argues.
"Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more, then at the end of the year you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate.
"It would be burdensome - all taxes are burdensome - but it would certainly ... raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."
The interview was filmed in 2009, the same year "weather vane" Mr Abbott reneged on his support for an emissions trading scheme, which ultimately cost his predecessor, Malcolm Turnbull, his job.
Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne dismissed the video as nothing special and said he'd already seen it.
"Tony Abbott wasn't actually arguing in favour of a carbon tax, he was talking about all the options that were available," he said, as he once again backed the coalition's direct action plan.
The government, on the other hand, was delighted by the old footage.
"I haven't seen that video (before), but I enjoyed it, I must say," Health Minister Nicola Roxon said.
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/abbott-dogged-by-old-carbon-comment-20110607-1fprb.html
:lol :lol
Funny stuff indeed, as for Mr Pyne sometimes it's better just to shut up ;D
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You referred to that earlier in this thread, WP.
Yes, Tony is just taking the fools for a ride - as evidenced in this thread ;D
A grade con artist - F grade leader :wallywink
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Abbott made history by making Labor dump there own PM in his first term.
Did he?
I think you are re-writing history T101. This was a text book case of factional implosion by the ALP. It had nothing to do with the mad monk.
the ALP 10 headed monster rearing it's ugly head! :rollin
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I don't understand you WP. So now you don't think politicians should be able to change their minds on policy?
I've always maintained my frustration with this carbon tax issue. Don't tell us you aren't going to do it just before the election when you had every intention of bringing it in. That's deception. That's lying to our face.
That's why IMO we should be allowed to go to an election on this carbon tax.
And you'll NEVER see me at any rally chanting "what do we want?" " a carbon tax!" "when do we want it?" "NOW!!"
ridiculous! Funniest thing I've ever seen. People chanting for a tax.
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WP you have been fooled by an Q&A cut and paste snipet out of a interview where Abbott was discussing all options on how to tackle climate change. If you kept wacthing(or the article writer) you would see Chris Pyne explains and makes the Q&A look stupid for there attempt to set someone up by with taking things out of context and not playing the full interview.
Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne, who was on the Q&A panel, dismissed the video as nothing special and said he had already seen it.
"Tony Abbott wasn't actually arguing in favour of a carbon tax, he was talking about all the options that were available," he said
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/abbott-dogged-by-old-carbon-comment-20110607-1fprb.html#ixzz1OY42TZmF
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I don't understand you WP. So now you don't think politicians should be able to change their minds on policy?
I've always maintained my frustration with this carbon tax issue. Don't tell us you aren't going to do it just before the election when you had every intention of bringing it in. That's deception. That's lying to our face.
That's why IMO we should be allowed to go to an election on this carbon tax.
Mr Tigra you are missing my point - all pollies on all political sides change their mind, they lie, they decieve that's a fact. They all do it.
My point is is this everyone seems to think that the only pollie who's changed their stance on any issue in the last decade is the current Prime Minister. While it would appear with what I 've read is that the current Opposition Leader has never changed his mind on anything, never lied, never decieved, never back stabbed a polticial colleague while in govt or opposition.
The facts is he has but that seems to get lost in this whole debate. I just think people should acknowedge that both sides of politics show the same traits
You are critical (read furious) of Gillard changing her stance on the Carbon tax but you seem to excuse Abbott for his changes. What's the difference? I will repeat my point is both sides of politics do it and no matter how people want to perceive it; it is the reality of politics, they change there minds because they want to winand want to be in power
The debate on whether we need a carbon tax is getting lost because everyone is focusing on the personalities rather the actual issue.
WP you have been fooled by an Q&A cut and paste snipet out of a interview where Abbott was discussing all options on how to tackle climate change. If you kept wacthing(or the article writer) you would see Chris Pyne explains and makes the Q&A look stupid for there attempt to set someone up by with taking things out of context and not playing the full interview.
On the contrary tiger101 - I didn't need to watch Q&A. this was raised back in Jan or Feb. With that in mind I would suggest people get a copy of the entire interview from 2009 and read what Abbott said in full it makes fascinating reading :thumbsup ;D
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Ok just for you WP and anyone else on here who may or may not know what my stance is on the carbon tax debate.
I am completly against a proposed carbon tax and or an ETS or any other stupid scheme that might jeopardise jobs and/or effect cost of living to ALL Australians.
On global warming climate change: I think the global warming climate change hysteria has got out of hand. There are alot of theory's of which science can't really explain they seem to flip flop as much as politicians do.
What about the threat of an asteroid crashing into the earth? Shouldn't we then have an asteroid tax and we could build a great big protective dome like in the Simpsons movie.
I'm of the opinion that this world is larger and more powerful than we give it credit for. How do we really know how much CO2 should be in the atmosphere? Maybe there should be just that level to maintain balance.
I don't like politicians flip flopping on policy. I especially don't like when they introduce major policy change without taking it to the people. I didn't like workchoices and I don't want a carbon tax. If the majority of Australians decide to vote a party in with that kind of agenda then so be it.
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The current ALP are a bunch of no hopers IMHO. Even the ALP membership is deserting them. Members leaving in droves sick of policy aimed at supporting the minorities, the greenies, the yuppies, the homos and the rest that are gathering around the ALP tents. :lol Down to the last 30% of there support according to the Polls.
When they return to policys aimed at supporting the working class and the working/middle class Ill vote for them again, in the meantime they can get stuffed. Im a working class boy and I only support working class institutions like Richmond. The ALP is no longer a working class institution, Its just a shambolic political institution that has lost its way! Just shocking! Im disgusted :lol
lol = wrong emoticon
>:(
thats better ;D
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I think it's hilarious that people get caught up in a scientific idea that keeps changing more times than the weather in Melbourne.
These videos I think are very interesting. But who could argue with Dr Spock?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvsAIyUAGyY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox2gmyCXjWk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFN3fGuSSlg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Didn't mamma tell you not to believe everything the papers and tv tells you ;).
hilarious. Why don't you take your own advice? I can show you heaps of crap these scientists tell us refuting man made climate change. The facts are this why is it that the government funded experts are in agreement with the governments agenda. Show me one scientist that doesn't beleive in man made climate global warming that is funded by a government or isn't that a convenient truth?
LOL @ another conspiracy theory. Did you even bother reading the link debunking your last myth about the science community and global cooling in the 1970s? There have been scientists telling us about rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere due to man-made emissions from the burning of fossil fuels for at least the past 40-50 years. Global warming and climate change scientific articles have been around for decades and by the early 1980s it was the widely accepted view of the orthodox scientific community. So much for the laughable argument that experts are only agreeing with a current Government's agenda for funding. Another conspiracy theory ::).
Btw what do you define as "heaps" given the overwhelming majority of the orthodox scientific community (what is it 97% IIRC) are advocating there is AGW. There is too many individual egos in science to reach that sort of consensous over a 50+ year period unless all these scientists genuinely supported the evidence that supports AGW (and that evidence grows stronger year by year btw). You can make a name and career out of providing groundbreaking research that forces the majority to change their view (eg: Einstein) so that counters the follow the crowd claim by the conspiracy theorists. This loopy neo-con idea that the world's scientists are conspiring against us is just that - loopy. Yet another conspiracy theory.
The opposing postion against AGW (well at least the most vocal) btw comes from the usual names of Singer, Carter, Soon, McIntyre and McKitrick - most coincidently happen to be members of or contributors to conservative think tanks funded by oil companies. Hardly independent sources.
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Ok just for you WP and anyone else on here who may or may not know what my stance is on the carbon tax debate.
We wouldn't have guessed lol.
I am completly against a proposed carbon tax and or an ETS or any other stupid scheme that might jeopardise jobs and/or effect cost of living to ALL Australians.
How can anyone claim it will jeopardise jobs when the policy details haven't even been release yet. It's all just hysteria from not knowing. All reform had a cost and old industries that can't keep up with the times will suffer but new technologies and industries create new jobs are well. It's called progress. What else is forgotten is to do nothing will also have consequences and jeopardise jobs in the future as we'll be left behind in the technological and economic race.
On global warming climate change: I think the global warming climate change hysteria has got out of hand. There are alot of theory's of which science can't really explain they seem to flip flop as much as politicians do.
The majority of scientists holding a consistent view for the past 40-50 years about global warming and climate change due to increased CO2 levels from the burning of fossil fuels is flip-flopping is it! Btw I forgot to say you can tell the difference between the CO2 that's been naturally part of the atmosphere and that that comes from the burning of fossil fuels. The ratio of carbon isotopes is 2% different between the two (fossil fuels < atmosphere). So over time especially since 1850 as we've artifically added CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels the ratio of 13C/12C has fallen to its lowest levels consistent with the rise in man-made emissions. You won't read or see that in the media :nope. All you get is idiots crying "they are going to tax the air we exhale" ::) :stupid.
The hysteria nowdays is coming from those who refuse to acknowledge or don't have the mental capacity to understand the science which has been accepted for a number of years to decades now. They are having tantrums over being told something they don't like hearing. They don't want to change nor understand no matter the consequences for the future so they just bag it out of ignorance and political bias and make up myths and lies to try and dismiss it. I'm not saying climate science isn't a complex field but if anyone chooses to believe the likes of Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt who have no scientific qualifications nor knowledge over scientifically trained, qualified and experienced experts from CSIRO, NASA, etc then they are a gullible moron.
What about the threat of an asteroid crashing into the earth? Shouldn't we then have an asteroid tax and we could build a great big protective dome like in the Simpsons movie.
Now who's getting hysterical?! If an asteroid hit the Earth we won't be around anymore to worry about the future.
I'm of the opinion that this world is larger and more powerful than we give it credit for. How do we really know how much CO2 should be in the atmosphere? Maybe there should be just that level to maintain balance.
And what is "that level to maintain balance"? 0.3%, 0.4%, 0.6%, 1% or how about 10%?
CO2 levels in the atmosphere have never been as high as today (modern times) in the whole of human existance on Earth (even much earlier than that ie. 400,000 years ago). The usual variation in the time scale has been between 170ppm and 300ppm up to the late 19th century. In 2010 it had reached 390ppm. So I guess all the denialists who are happy to do nothing want to try an open-ended experiment on the human race living on an Earth with CO2 levels in the atmosphere reaching 3 times historical natural levels by 2100.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/co2.jpg)
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/index.cfm#co2
I don't like politicians flip flopping on policy.
So you don't like Abbott either ;). He flip-flops on every policy ;D.
I especially don't like when they introduce major policy change without taking it to the people. I didn't like workchoices and I don't want a carbon tax. If the majority of Australians decide to vote a party in with that kind of agenda then so be it.
Now this bit is fair enough opinion. The pollies on both sides won't go for it though.
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*How can anyone claim it will jeopardise jobs when the policy details haven't even been release yet. It's all just hysteria from not knowing. All reform had a cost and old industries that can't keep up with the times will suffer but new technologies and industries create new jobs are well.*
MT of cause it will put jobs in jeopardy. The hole point of a carbon tax is to increase costs of carbon out putting industry's such as manufacturing until they are no longer viable to to make profit. So to get around this new tax and to keep there profits they will simply move offshore. As for new technologies will come. New technologies are already out there. But the government isn't willing to go down that path. Nuclear power very clean in carbon government could subsidies the cost. But lets be honest Australia has nothing besides for minerals we are Asia's sand pit and with that unfortunately comes carbon emissions. But still our emissions are tiny compared to other country's and even if we cut all of out emissions tomorrow it won't do anything to avoid this (apparent) impending global warming crisis.
Oh yeah what happened when Unions made our manufacturing sector unprofitable due to high costs. They moved shore. Businesses don't just create new technologies if they can just move offshore for less amount of money then to invent things and keep there same if not improving there profit margins. But that's something Labor and Greens don't think because they don't understand economics.
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Heard a New Zealand farmer today, currently paying 3000 per year for the current scheme in New Zealand when the price of carbon is like $8 or something and will be paying $30,000 a year in 2 years. New Zealands farmers are stuffed as a result. SAY NO TO THIS TYPE OF DODGY SCHEME IN AUSTRALIA!
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Will there be the same hue and cry from electricity customers to the same level as the carbon tax after IPART has just approved an 18 per cent increase?
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Heard a New Zealand farmer today, currently paying 3000 per year for the current scheme in New Zealand when the price of carbon is like $8 or something and will be paying $30,000 a year in 2 years. New Zealands farmers are stuffed as a result. SAY NO TO THIS TYPE OF DODGY SCHEME IN AUSTRALIA!
Agriculture at this stage will be excluded in the Australian scheme.
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*How can anyone claim it will jeopardise jobs when the policy details haven't even been release yet. It's all just hysteria from not knowing. All reform had a cost and old industries that can't keep up with the times will suffer but new technologies and industries create new jobs are well.*
MT of cause it will put jobs in jeopardy. The hole point of a carbon tax is to increase costs of carbon out putting industry's such as manufacturing until they are no longer viable to to make profit. So to get around this new tax and to keep there profits they will simply move offshore. As for new technologies will come. New technologies are already out there. But the government isn't willing to go down that path. Nuclear power very clean in carbon government could subsidies the cost. But lets be honest Australia has nothing besides for minerals we are Asia's sand pit and with that unfortunately comes carbon emissions. But still our emissions are tiny compared to other country's and even if we cut all of out emissions tomorrow it won't do anything to avoid this (apparent) impending global warming crisis.
Oh yeah what happened when Unions made our manufacturing sector unprofitable due to high costs. They moved shore. Businesses don't just create new technologies if they can just move offshore for less amount of money then to invent things and keep there same if not improving there profit margins. But that's something Labor and Greens don't think because they don't understand economics.
Sorry tiger101, I've been meaning to get time to reply to this.
Just as an side first, making electricity from nuclear fission reactors is pretty much 'old' (as in established) technology these days even if there is and has always been too much anti-nuclear and NIMBY opposition in Australia for such reactors to be built here. New technology would be overcoming the technological obstacles of creating nuclear fusion reactors where hydrogen (isotopes) is used as the source. While at this point of time they are a long long way off (I went to a colloquium on nuclear fusion reactors about 4 years ago and the suggestion was they were at least 30 years away), IIRC when Howard suggested us going nuclear (fission) such a national scheme would take 25 years to set up and build. There's an argument it's not worth going down that path if fusion reactors can be achieved by the middle of this century. Fusion would be superior to both fission and old-fasion coal given less long-term radioactive waste and no carbon emissions as well as superior to other renewables such as solar/wind as it isn't dependable on the weather. I remember reading last year or the year the before that that the CSIRO was/is advocating Hydrogen as a future energy source for Australia. In the end the most likely scenario is a combination of a variety of energy sources creating greater competition.
Anyway within this upcoming decade we don't have to eliminate our carbon emissions entirely. All we are aiming for is a 5% reduction of 2000 levels by 2020. So it's not as though we are switching industry off. Secondly BOTH sides of politics are required to reach this reduction target. It's not as though it's a choice of a Carbon tax/ETS or nothing as Abbott is politicking. It's a choice of a Carbon tax/ETS or "direct action" whatever the latter is. Sorry I would back the efficiency of a market mechanism anyday over some bureaucrat(s) in Canberra cherry picking what industries need to make cuts to their carbon emissions and by what amount in some ad hoc fashion. Even the productivity commission released last week backs this up. It would become a nightmare for company execs trying to manage and plan their business into the future. Add to that Governments of either persuasion are hardly waste minimises when it comes to managing taxpayers money which is what Abbott plans to use for his scheme. If you're arguing there'll be an impost from a Carbon tax then there'll be an even larger impost from Abbott's policy due to its inefficiency. The taxpayers money required also has to come from somewhere and it's straight out of our hip-pocket. Even Howard before he lost the 2007 election wasn't advocating Abbott's policy and instead was going to introduce a cap and trade ETS by 2011:- http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/17/1980126.htm . Funny how current Liberal policy under Abbott is opposing that under Howard and Turnbull and it's all just for the sake of opposition for opposition sake.
As for "Unions made our manufacturing sector unprofitable due to high costs" - I'd doubt any Aussie worker be it unionised or not would accept being paid 50 cents an hour to make our old-school manufacturing labour costs competitive. We will never compete with developing nations on that front and all the more reason we need to continue to aim for a diverse economy that's not soley dependent on any one sector (we've been burnt before when commodity prices have crashed - been there and done that the hard way). If we do nothing now then in the upcoming decades we will be at risk of our trading partners imposing addition costs and barriers on us and our exports since we'll still be using energy sourced primarily from coal-power plants. It's because we are a resource-based economy that it puts us at risk with other nations moving towards reducing their carbon emissions and renewable energy.
As for job losses - I don't see those concerned about job losses in the mining sector advocating protection for other sectors currently suffering job losses such as retailers Angus & Roberton or Borders for example. Society needs changed and new technology came along (internet, ipad, etc...) and the old-school bookshop is dying. That's business. You either continually adapt to the new and everchanging landscape or get left behind and be evnetually put out of business. The whole point of the carbon tax/ETS is to make renewable energies more cost competitive. So while there will be some job losses in time in old-school industries highly dependent on coal, there'll be job gains in other energy sectors and their spin-offs into the overall economy. While there are job losses and job gains at any one time, it's net jobs over all sectors combined that are measured.
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Will there be the same hue and cry from electricity customers to the same level as the carbon tax after IPART has just approved an 18 per cent increase?
That's the thing isn't it FNM. Our electricity bills have and are already going through the roof without any carbon pricing scheme and what's more when you try to use less to save money the electricity companies then just whack up the "service" charges to keep increasing their profits.
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Only Abbott could say something as stupid as this:
But Mr Abbott also told 3AW today that if he was successful in forcing a plebiscite and the result found the people wanted a carbon tax, he would not accept it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tony-abbotts-bid-to-force-carbon-tax-vote/story-e6frf7jo-1226078110327
He demands a plebiscite yet he will only accept the result if everyone votes the way sooky Phoney Tony wants ::).
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Only Abbott could say something as stupid as this:
But Mr Abbott also told 3AW today that if he was successful in forcing a plebiscite and the result found the people wanted a carbon tax, he would not accept it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tony-abbotts-bid-to-force-carbon-tax-vote/story-e6frf7jo-1226078110327
He demands a plebiscite yet he will only accept the result if everyone votes the way sooky Phoney Tony wants ::).
So financially responsible Tony wants to spend a $70 million of taxpayers money on a non binding plebiscite because it will give the people a say.
He also reckons that the only way the independants can truly show they are independant is to vote in favour of his said plebiscite ::)
But then in the next breath admits he wont accept the will of the people if they people say "YEAH"
Good one Tony - at least we know what you stand for ;D
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Only Abbott could say something as stupid as this:
But Mr Abbott also told 3AW today that if he was successful in forcing a plebiscite and the result found the people wanted a carbon tax, he would not accept it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tony-abbotts-bid-to-force-carbon-tax-vote/story-e6frf7jo-1226078110327
He demands a plebiscite yet he will only accept the result if everyone votes the way sooky Phoney Tony wants ::).
Heard this as well. What a goose of the highest order.
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Will there be the same hue and cry from electricity customers to the same level as the carbon tax after IPART has just approved an 18 per cent increase?
That's the thing isn't it FNM. Our electricity bills have and are already going through the roof without any carbon pricing scheme and what's more when you try to use less to save money the electricity companies then just whack up the "service" charges to keep increasing their profits.
Well, as resources diminish, prices will rise anyway on everything. So you make it tougher for companies by imposing a tax that will encourage them to look for cleaner alternatives that may be expensive to operate now, but down the line will lead to less damage on the planet for our kids in the future.
LMAO@anybody who doesn't think prices will rise with our without a carbon tax. That IPART decision is a nice slug on consumers, where's the outcry?
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the carbon tax and its climate change origins are nothing more than disgraceful scams. Its a scam and everyone knows it, its a scam because Kevvie boy and the good old Jules who wouldnt even know if her behind was on fire wasted billions on dodgy chinese insulation and school facilities that turned out to be portables lol. they wasted billions and have a huge hole in their budget revenues so we will have to pay for climate change which infact doesnt exist. give us a break! Its a scam. Even the Nigerians would be proud!
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I think most people know its a stunt and nothing more.
Bring on a general election I say though.
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the carbon tax and its climate change origins are nothing more than disgraceful scams. Its a scam and everyone knows it, its a scam because Kevvie boy and the good old Jules who wouldnt even know if her behind was on fire wasted billions on dodgy chinese insulation and school facilities that turned out to be portables lol. they wasted billions and have a huge hole in their budget revenues so we will have to pay for climate change which infact doesnt exist. give us a break! Its a scam. Even the Nigerians would be proud!
Was it (Climate change etc) a scam when Tony was all in favour of an ETS before he became leader? You know the time when he knifed Turnball in the back and won the leadership by a solitary vote ;D
Or is only a 'scam" when it is discussed by the current govt?
I think it is important that people clarify ;D
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Its a scam because its been put up as some sort of global danger which is bulldust - socialist governments around the world and others with there own business agendas are running this scam and its a disgrace IMHO. As for Abbott - he did what he had to do to get Turnball out. Vote 1 Tone ;D
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Its a scam because its been put up as some sort of global danger which is bulldust - socialist governments around the world and others with there own business agendas are running this scam and its a disgrace IMHO. As for Abbott - he did what he had to do to get Turnball out. Vote 1 Tone ;D
So you are admitting that Tone is a scammer too then?
Because he believes Climate Change exists but changes his mind on how to fight it ;D
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:lol
just gotta love the "grumpy old men" rants
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Its a scam because its been put up as some sort of global danger which is bulldust - socialist governments around the world and others with there own business agendas are running this scam and its a disgrace IMHO. As for Abbott - he did what he had to do to get Turnball out. Vote 1 Tone ;D
So you are admitting that Tone is a scammer too then?
Because he believes Climate Change exists but changes his mind on how to fight it ;D
No Abbott isnt a scammer. He just did what he had to do to get the leadership of his party. The ALP on the otherhand are scamming the entire Australian population. Even Labor Members know it - theyre leaving in droves. .
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Its a scam because its been put up as some sort of global danger which is bulldust - socialist governments around the world and others with there own business agendas are running this scam and its a disgrace IMHO. As for Abbott - he did what he had to do to get Turnball out. Vote 1 Tone ;D
Ramps the conspiracy theory believer ;D. Is that a scientist under your bed Ramps? ;D
UK - Conservative government
Germany - Conservative government
France - Conservative government
Italy - Centre-right coalition government
Poland - Centre-right government
NZ - Conservative government
All those damn socialists above who already price carbon ..... oh wait! :lol
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the europeans are fruitcakes all of em running huge deficits. this is just a scam to get cash from the people. carbon tax is a scam.
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No Abbott isnt a scammer. He just did what he had to do to get the leadership of his party. The ALP on the otherhand are scamming the entire Australian population. Even Labor Members know it - theyre leaving in droves. .
I think you are missing the point Flagman and there are 2 points here
Firstly, facts are your man the honourable and honest Tone believes that Climate Change exists, he supported an ETS until he relised that disowning it and changing his mind on it was his ticket to the Lib leadership, so he did the honourable & honest thing and knifed his leader in the back to get the top job.
Point 2 is he as leader of the opposition of this country still believes Climate Change exists and it needs to be addressed.
You have said this:
the carbon tax and its climate change origins are nothing more than disgraceful scams. Its a scam and everyone knows it, its a scam because Kevvie boy and the good old Jules who wouldnt even know if her behind was on fire wasted billions on dodgy chinese insulation and school facilities that turned out to be portables lol. they wasted billions and have a huge hole in their budget revenues so we will have to pay for climate change which infact doesnt exist. give us a break! Its a scam. Even the Nigerians would be proud!
You have stated categorically that Climate change is a scam, doesn't exist and anyone who believes it exist is a scammer
I have asked the question which you have so far refused to answer if Climate change is a scam and those that acknowledge it are scammers is your man Tone a scammer too?
Because he has said repeatedly that although is against the Carbon tax he believes in Climate change and the need to do something about it> So based on what you have said he must be a scammer which is clearly disgraceful under your criteria
Or are you saying that the only people here are scamming the people on the issue of Climate Change in Aust are the current govt and not your man Tony and his party?
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the carbon tax and its climate change origins are nothing more than disgraceful scams. Its a scam and everyone knows it, its a scam because Kevvie boy and the good old Jules who wouldnt even know if her behind was on fire wasted billions on dodgy chinese insulation and school facilities that turned out to be portables lol. they wasted billions and have a huge hole in their budget revenues so we will have to pay for climate change which infact doesnt exist. give us a break! Its a scam. Even the Nigerians would be proud!
I agree 30 years ago the scientists were telling us that we were due for another ice age because the world was getting colder. we seem to have ended a period of warmer temperatures now we will see what happens now that we are entering another cooling period. the polititians will be sure to come up with a better excuse to tax us for breathing
I agree its a scam for more control and more money. :banghead
most pollies are full of crap. I just cant support the 10headed monster.
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WP I wouldn't class opposition changing leaders as knifing. You are clearly trying to make it seem to be on the same level as what Labor did to Rudd. We all know opposition go through leaders when they don't click with the public like Labor did when they was in the wilderness for a decade.
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WP I wouldn't class opposition changing leaders as knifing. You are clearly trying to make it seem to be on the same level as what Labor did to Rudd. We all know opposition go through leaders when they don't click with the public like Labor did when they was in the wilderness for a decade.
tiger101 understand your point and certainly replacing a leader while opposition is not seen as being as "serious" as changing leaders in govt but it is still knifing
It is knifing because when a week before you challenge you say I fully support the leader and wont be challenging and the said leader doesn't see the challenge coming it is a knifing whether you are in govt or opposition
Sorry but Tone knifed Turnbull, just like Howard did to Downer, Keating did to Hawke, Gillard did to Rudd etc ;D
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Well I must applaud the labour federal government on banning bank exit fees.
:thumbsup :cheers :clapping :clapping :clapping
I can only hope they don't sting us on other fees or charges. :pray
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Well I must applaud the labour federal government on banning bank exit fees.
:thumbsup :cheers :clapping :clapping :clapping
I can only hope they don't sting us on other fees or charges. :pray
And a :clapping for Senator Fielding too as his days in the senate come to a close, he backed this legislation and helped get it through because honest Tony and the opposition opposed it in its current form, as they wanted to only relate to exit fees charged by the big 4 banks and not any other lending institution
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Well I must applaud the labour federal government on banning bank exit fees.
:thumbsup :cheers :clapping :clapping :clapping
I can only hope they don't sting us on other fees or charges. :pray
And a :clapping for Senator Fielding too as his days in the senate come to a close, he backed this legislation and helped get it through because honest Tony and the opposition opposed it in its current form, as they wanted to only relate to exit fees charged by the big 4 banks and not any other lending institution
Monthly Account Keeping fees will return as will $1000 application fees currently waived by most lenders.
Bookmark it.
Nice try Swan but im affraid its going to matter very little. Fees will come back bigger and better
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Who needs scientific and economic experts?! Poor old Tony doesn't when they tell him what he doesn't wants to hear :stupid.
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has criticised Australian economists for supporting a carbon tax and a market-based emissions trading scheme as planned by the Federal Government.
But high-profile economist Saul Eslake has hit back, saying Mr Abbott's problem is that he cannot find an Australian economist who will support his "direct action" policy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/01/3258962.htm?section=justin
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How about the tax imposed on Richmond supporters and members.
Its called the FTF. stuffing tragic fund.
Pay up help the club invest your time and effort and watch garbage served up with a smattering of phone calls adverts and media releases that will only serve the purpose of breaking your heart again and again and again.
Makes the carbon tax look like a lolly tax.
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Looks like we'll find out all the Carbon Tax details this Sunday.
How about the tax imposed on Richmond supporters and members.
Its called the FTF. stuffing tragic fund.
Pay up help the club invest your time and effort and watch garbage served up with a smattering of phone calls adverts and media releases that will only serve the purpose of breaking your heart again and again and again.
Makes the carbon tax look like a lolly tax.
:lol
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Gillard already dodging questions by waiting to announce it after parliament finishes up for there break and not recalling it next week to debate it.
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It wouldn't matter what policy the Government released on any issue, Abbott would/will just oppose it for the sake of opposing it (even if some policies were originally Liberal party ones ::) ). So it's pointless and a waste of time extending Parliament for an extra week.
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It wouldn't matter what policy the Government released on any issue, Abbott would/will just oppose it for the sake of opposing it (even if some policies were originally Liberal party ones ::) ). So it's pointless and a waste of time extending Parliament for an extra week.
Most policy actually passes both houses unopposed like the Budget. They only differ on main policies like Carbon Tax.
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China’s increased coal usage in the last decade has stopped global warming, according to a new study.
The US-Finnish study claims that increased sulphur emissions have acted as a coolant, NineMSN reports.
Study leader, Boston University professor Robert Kaufmann, said he conducted the study which states that no steady rise in temperatures between 1998 and 2008 disproves global warming.
"Nothing that I had read that other people have done gave me a quick answer to explain that seeming contradiction, because I knew that carbon dioxide concentrations have risen,” he said.
The study identified the burning of coal, particularly in China, as the reason behind this.
According to the study, as the coal burns it emits sulphur, which stops solar rays from reaching the earth.
Kaufmann explained that there has been precedent for his theorem, when greenhouse gases emissions rose dramatically following the reconstruction and economic boom after World War 2.
“What happened was at the same time, sulfur emissions increased very rapidly, thereby cancelling much of the greenhouse gas effect,” he said.
The study stated that global temperatures only began to rise in the 1970s, after developed nations began to reduce sulphur emissions.
However between 2003 and 2007, global coal consumption rose, with China consuming more than three quarters of the output.
But since then the nation has taken steps to curb its pollution emissions, such as installing coal scrubbers to control dust emissions.
"So we already see temperatures starting to increase again. It rose in 2009, it rose in 2010 and that may be one reason for that increase."
Despite apparently linking coal and a reduction in global warming, the study did say that it burning coal contributes to problems such as acid rains.
Kaufmann said using sulphur to battle global warming is like saying “we’ll pick our poison”.
"You could certainly make that argument, but I don't think many people would view that as a very satisfactory solution, especially if it meant living in a very polluted atmosphere like in China," he said.
Co-authors of the report included Michael Mann, a member of the UN scientific panel whose landmark 2007 report warned that climate change was unequivocal and mostly caused by humans
http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/burning-coal-stops-global-warming-study-claimsc
Interesting. No doubt the lefty's will call this false data like they do with anything that they don't agree with.
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Given it's from a research paper by the main climate change scientists (Kaufman, Mann et al) it has cred and shows they aren't the "alarmists trying to take over the world" loopy neo-cons claim them to be. I'm sure the Andrew Bolt types will still be busily twisting what the research paper says and claim this is 'proof' from the chief climate scientists themselves that AGW isn't happening and it's all a hoax :sleep. As the paper says the west went through a similar phase post WW2 up to the 1970s where smog was countering AGW until we cleaned up the smog for health reasons and the AGW became evident as the dominating factor. China given their more recent surge in economic growth likewise now wants to clean up the smog choking their major industrial cities.
2009-10 has seen global temp. head up again so it still means we need to reduce our CO2 emissions. Acid rain is hardly a 'cure' for AGW.
(http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.gif)
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MT you would be pretty upset with 500 of the biggest polluters now getting off in this watered down policy that will not do anything to save the planet from global warming that will flood the earth or dry us out like Mars.
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China’s increased coal usage in the last decade has stopped global warming, according to a new study.
The US-Finnish study claims that increased sulphur emissions have acted as a coolant, NineMSN reports.
Study leader, Boston University professor Robert Kaufmann, said he conducted the study which states that no steady rise in temperatures between 1998 and 2008 disproves global warming.
"Nothing that I had read that other people have done gave me a quick answer to explain that seeming contradiction, because I knew that carbon dioxide concentrations have risen,” he said.
The study identified the burning of coal, particularly in China, as the reason behind this.
According to the study, as the coal burns it emits sulphur, which stops solar rays from reaching the earth.
Kaufmann explained that there has been precedent for his theorem, when greenhouse gases emissions rose dramatically following the reconstruction and economic boom after World War 2.
“What happened was at the same time, sulfur emissions increased very rapidly, thereby cancelling much of the greenhouse gas effect,” he said.
The study stated that global temperatures only began to rise in the 1970s, after developed nations began to reduce sulphur emissions.
However between 2003 and 2007, global coal consumption rose, with China consuming more than three quarters of the output.
But since then the nation has taken steps to curb its pollution emissions, such as installing coal scrubbers to control dust emissions.
"So we already see temperatures starting to increase again. It rose in 2009, it rose in 2010 and that may be one reason for that increase."
Despite apparently linking coal and a reduction in global warming, the study did say that it burning coal contributes to problems such as acid rains.
Kaufmann said using sulphur to battle global warming is like saying “we’ll pick our poison”.
"You could certainly make that argument, but I don't think many people would view that as a very satisfactory solution, especially if it meant living in a very polluted atmosphere like in China," he said.
Co-authors of the report included Michael Mann, a member of the UN scientific panel whose landmark 2007 report warned that climate change was unequivocal and mostly caused by humans
http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/burning-coal-stops-global-warming-study-claimsc
Interesting. No doubt the lefty's will call this false data like they do with anything that they don't agree with.
I doubt it tiger. perhaps you should read what is actually being said.
there is no claim that co2 emissions don't cause global warming, just that sulfur emissions counter it.
as the author of the paper himself says
Kaufmann said using sulphur to battle global warming is like saying “we’ll pick our poison”.
"You could certainly make that argument, but I don't think many people would view that as a very satisfactory solution, especially if it meant living in a very polluted atmosphere like in China," he said.
Is picking parts out of a study and taking it out of context to suit your view just a right wing fascist thing?
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Is picking parts out of a study and taking it out of context to suit your view just a right wing fascist thing?
Actually thats quite the contrary. Its a proven fact thats the tactic the left does. Like we seen in parliament today Chief government whip Joel Fitzgibbon does a meow call and all is fine labor don't even make him resign his role at cheif whip but when Bushby does it oh its sexist and he should resign completely.
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you really think that there is a difference in these things between those of different political persuasions don't you?
All this poo goes on all the time. it doesnt matter if someone is a tree hugging greenie or a jew, black and sissy hating nazi, and many in between.
they will always pick and choose what they want to see and hear to suit their own beliefs. they will have different standards for themselves and their mates to those they see as the enemy. most of the time their views will be determined by what their group thinks rather than actually making up their own mind based on what is presented before them.
and most of all they will think the other side only ever does wrong and their own side is only ever right.
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It wouldn't matter what policy the Government released on any issue, Abbott would/will just oppose it for the sake of opposing it (even if some policies were originally Liberal party ones ::) ). So it's pointless and a waste of time extending Parliament for an extra week.
Whats funny MT is that at election time both Abbott and Princess Fiona opposed a Carbon tax :lol kinda takes the ammo out of your Abbott gun eh! :whistle
You can't tell me that Gillard did not deliberately delay her Carbon tax announcement to avoid political debate. Now She has 5 weeks to try and sell her clunker of a tax to the public.
It is also interesting that both Channels 9 and 7 originally refused to air Princess Fiona's address to the nation but when her toys flew out of the cot, Overriding the News Directors, the decision was made from the top to allow her air time. Are we in Australia or North Korea? Last time I looked, the Government does not control the commercial stations. But I guess they do dish out the licenses...Food for thought eh.
Well on 6:30 Sunday night I'll be doing my bit for the environment by starting Earth Hour a little earlier than sheduled! :lol But if anyone tapes the Gillard Carbon tax preach, send a copy of it to all the Abattoirs in Indonesia so they can play it to the cows and send them to sleep prior to slaughter. wha wha wha hwha wha hwha hwha. A lot cheaper than stun guns! :lol
Also another really funny thing out of Canberra today, The Greens are now making policy announcements on behalf of the Gillard government. Hmmm reminds me of a song....
"Puppet On A String" (Ode to Julia) The Bob Brown Remix.... ;D
Like a puppet on a string you hold on tight
You hold on tight like a puppet on a string
Like a puppet on a string you hold on tight
You hold on tight, you hold on tight
Got your education from just hangin' around
You got your brain from a hole in the ground
You come up, look around, for a will of your own
But you're mine yeahhhhh
Like a puppet on a string [x4]
With porcelain eyes and the mind of a monkey
Rode into town on the back of what looked like a dead donkey
So I do, to you, what a puppet master would do
Can you tell? Yeahhhh!!!
Like a pupper on a string
Like a puppet on a string
Like a puppet on a string
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Whats funny MT is that at election time both Abbott and Princess Fiona opposed a Carbon tax :lol kinda takes the ammo out of your Abbott gun eh! :whistle
I wouldn't have thought so tiga. Problem with Abbott at the moment and has been since the election is he continues down his endless road on negativity. I think that was MT's point.
What I found funny this morning is that as opposition leader Tone believes he should be allowed the same air time as the PM to give his alternative to the carbon tax which we all no wont be alternative as such the next exciting instalment of "The artful Spin of how to Positively Deliver Negativity"
You can't tell me that Gillard did not deliberately delay her Carbon tax announcement to avoid political debate. Now She has 5 weeks to try and sell her clunker of a tax to the public.
It is also interesting that both Channels 9 and 7 originally refused to air Princess Fiona's address to the nation but when her toys flew out of the cot, Overriding the News Directors, the decision was made from the top to allow her air time. Are we in Australia or North Korea? Last time I looked, the Government does not control the commercial stations. But I guess they do dish out the licenses...Food for thought eh.
Gotta give you top marks for that one tiga; that's a ripper conspiracy theory. You are correct the Govt doesn't control the commercial stations and I doubt very much they would have ridden rough shot here.
I would actually think it has more to do with Chs 7 & 9 constant attempts to out do one another on the news front and trying to pitch themselves as delivering "real news" as opposed to ACA and Today Tonight fluff. Showing this "address to the nation" isn't going to improve their news credibility to the public one iota but that's another story
And let's be honest with ourselves here it it puts DWTS off the air for if only for 30 minutes it has to be a good thing doesn't it ;D
Also another really funny thing out of Canberra today, The Greens are now making policy announcements on behalf of the Gillard government. Hmmm reminds me of a song....
"Puppet On A String" (Ode to Julia) The Bob Brown Remix.... ;D
Like a puppet on a string you hold on tight
You hold on tight like a puppet on a string
Like a puppet on a string you hold on tight
You hold on tight, you hold on tight
Got your education from just hangin' around
You got your brain from a hole in the ground
You come up, look around, for a will of your own
But you're mine yeahhhhh
Like a puppet on a string [x4]
With porcelain eyes and the mind of a monkey
Rode into town on the back of what looked like a dead donkey
So I do, to you, what a puppet master would do
Can you tell? Yeahhhh!!!
Like a pupper on a string
Like a puppet on a string
Like a puppet on a string
Will pay that one
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I wouldn't have thought so tiga. Problem with Abbott at the moment and has been since the election is he continues down his endless road on negativity. I think that was MT's point.
Last time I checked thats what opposition parties normally does in the first year after an election and guess what its working. Gillard/Labor are being beating in the polls. Plus last people I would be taking advice from on how to be a good opposition would be Labor they was in the wilderness for a decade before Rudd saved them and then they went and knifed him.
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I wouldn't have thought so tiga. Problem with Abbott at the moment and has been since the election is he continues down his endless road on negativity. I think that was MT's point.
Last time I checked thats what opposition parties normally does in the first year after an election and guess what its working. Gillard/Labor are being beating in the polls. Plus last people I would be taking advice from on how to be a good opposition would be Labor they was in the wilderness for a decade before Rudd saved them and then they went and knifed him.
That's true but even in opposition you still need to come up with some alternatives, the negativity wears thin after a while.
The opposition's budget reply is a perfect example .... it was a nothing ;D
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I wouldn't have thought so tiga. Problem with Abbott at the moment and has been since the election is he continues down his endless road on negativity. I think that was MT's point.
Last time I checked thats what opposition parties normally does in the first year after an election and guess what its working. Gillard/Labor are being beating in the polls. Plus last people I would be taking advice from on how to be a good opposition would be Labor they was in the wilderness for a decade before Rudd saved them and then they went and knifed him.
That's true but even in opposition you still need to come up with some alternatives, the negativity wears thin after a while.
The opposition's budget reply is a perfect example .... it was a nothing ;D
Oppositions lay out there alternative policies on campaign trails and thats what Abbott has promised to do. So I for one don't have a problem with him holding Gillard and her government to account.
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so you'll be happy for labour to do the same when they are next in opposition, or will you demand they release their policies "now" ?
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so you'll be happy for labour to do the same when they are next in opposition, or will you demand they release their policies "now" ?
I'll expect any opposition to be a good opposition and hold the government to account whatever party they are. Isn't that what our democracy is about. Governments being held to account.
Anyways back to Gillard IMO even if the carbon tax isn't as bad as Abbott makes out it will be I still think there's an underlining unlikeness feeling toward Gillard which I can't see her turning around.
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with answers like that you are born to be politician yourself.
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Oppositions lay out there alternative policies on campaign trails and thats what Abbott has promised to do. So I for one don't have a problem with him holding Gillard and her government to account.
I would have no problem with them holding the govt to account either because that's what they should be doing and it doens't matter which political party we are talking about here BTW
But currently that isn't what the current opposition is doing.
Part of holding them to account is showing/presenting that you are a real viable alternative govt to what we have, with leadership, vision and plans for the future, you show the public what you stand for, that you are indeed a credible alternative.
Currently all we get is negativity about anything & everything. Why? Where's the leadership, what do they stand for exactly? I am sorry but all this negativity it is nothing more than scare mongering.
So while we have Abbott's & the opposition's daily whine of negativity we end up with more questions than answers. IMHO
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Climate Change is a scam. The Carbon Tax is only being implemented because Labor wasted billions of dollars on Pink Bats, School Halls and now digital set top boxes amongst many others. Its a disgrace and so is the Resources Rent Tax.
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It wouldn't matter what policy the Government released on any issue, Abbott would/will just oppose it for the sake of opposing it (even if some policies were originally Liberal party ones ::) ). So it's pointless and a waste of time extending Parliament for an extra week.
Whats funny MT is that at election time both Abbott and Princess Fiona opposed a Carbon tax :lol kinda takes the ammo out of your Abbott gun eh! :whistle
You can't tell me that Gillard did not deliberately delay her Carbon tax announcement to avoid political debate. Now She has 5 weeks to try and sell her clunker of a tax to the public.
It is also interesting that both Channels 9 and 7 originally refused to air Princess Fiona's address to the nation but when her toys flew out of the cot, Overriding the News Directors, the decision was made from the top to allow her air time. Are we in Australia or North Korea? Last time I looked, the Government does not control the commercial stations. But I guess they do dish out the licenses...Food for thought eh.
Well on 6:30 Sunday night I'll be doing my bit for the environment by starting Earth Hour a little earlier than sheduled! :lol But if anyone tapes the Gillard Carbon tax preach, send a copy of it to all the Abattoirs in Indonesia so they can play it to the cows and send them to sleep prior to slaughter. wha wha wha hwha wha hwha hwha. A lot cheaper than stun guns! :lol
Also another really funny thing out of Canberra today, The Greens are now making policy announcements on behalf of the Gillard government. Hmmm reminds me of a song....
"Puppet On A String" (Ode to Julia) The Bob Brown Remix.... ;D
Like a puppet on a string you hold on tight
You hold on tight like a puppet on a string
Like a puppet on a string you hold on tight
You hold on tight, you hold on tight
Got your education from just hangin' around
You got your brain from a hole in the ground
You come up, look around, for a will of your own
But you're mine yeahhhhh
Like a puppet on a string [x4]
With porcelain eyes and the mind of a monkey
Rode into town on the back of what looked like a dead donkey
So I do, to you, what a puppet master would do
Can you tell? Yeahhhh!!!
Like a pupper on a string
Like a puppet on a string
Like a puppet on a string
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
:thatsgold
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Climate Change is a scam. The Carbon Tax is only being implemented because Labor wasted billions of dollars on Pink Bats, School Halls and now digital set top boxes amongst many others. Its a disgrace and so is the Resources Rent Tax.
Climate changes Flags, its been happening in cycles for thousands of years. But its not man made. Australias policies and changes to the amounts we emit will make absolutely NO difference to the worlds temperatures or the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
If you were to stand on StKilda pier and pee into the bay thats about how much difference anything we do will have any effect on global temperatures.
........but the government wil make truck loads of money from it. :birthday
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Typical Labor promising money hand over fist while raising marginal tax rates.
1 question I want to know. Is when this develops into an ETS how will the government afford to pay for all this compensation.
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:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
now let's see who on this forum can honestly take there labour glasses off and admit what a load of rubbish this carbon dioxide tax really is. I'd like to hear from MT and WP and all the other labour die hards. Let's not resort to saying anything about Liberal or Tony Abbott just an honest assessment of what you truly think about this tax now that your messiah Julia Gillard has bent over to the demands of the greens and brought in a tax she promised she'd NEVER implement.
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:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
now let's see who on this forum can honestly take there labour glasses off and admit what a load of rubbish this carbon dioxide tax really is. I'd like to hear from MT and WP and all the other labour die hards. Let's not resort to saying anything about Liberal or Tony Abbott just an honest assessment of what you truly think about this tax now that your messiah Julia Gillard has bent over to the demands of the greens and brought in a tax she promised she'd NEVER implement.
:lol :lol Who's wearing glasses exactly?
I am not sure what it is you're asking Mr Tigra because your question appears to be clouded by your hatred of the current govt.
You ask for an "honest assessment of what you truly think about this tax" and then you add this " now that your messiah Julia Gillard has bent over to the demands of the greens and brought in a tax she promised she'd NEVER implement."
Honestly, how can you suggest on one hand that we don't bring in anything about Liberal or Mr (we'll plant trees) Abbott but in the same sentence you link the question to a politcial view point by your "messiah" comment?
Am I right in assuming that the political side of things only applies to the Govt in this debate and not the opposition
So you just let me know which is it you want me to comment on so I stick to the rules of the game?
The tax itself?
The compensation package?
How it effects me and my family?
Climate change in general?
The govt? The PM?
The oppositions response to it?
Happy to comment on any of the above just want to know which ones I need to remove the political viewpoint from and which ones need a the politcial ;D
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:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
now let's see who on this forum can honestly take there labour glasses off and admit what a load of rubbish this carbon dioxide tax really is. I'd like to hear from MT and WP and all the other labour die hards. Let's not resort to saying anything about Liberal or Tony Abbott just an honest assessment of what you truly think about this tax now that your messiah Julia Gillard has bent over to the demands of the greens and brought in a tax she promised she'd NEVER implement.
:lol :lol Who's wearing glasses exactly?
I am not sure what it is you're asking Mr Tigra because your question appears to be clouded by your hatred of the current govt.
You ask for an "honest assessment of what you truly think about this tax" and then you add this " now that your messiah Julia Gillard has bent over to the demands of the greens and brought in a tax she promised she'd NEVER implement."
Honestly, how can you suggest on one hand that we don't bring in anything about Liberal or Mr (we'll plant trees) Abbott but in the same sentence you link the question to a politcial view point by your "messiah" comment?
Am I right in assuming that the political side of things only applies to the Govt in this debate and not the opposition
So you just let me know which is it you want me to comment on so I stick to the rules of the game?
The tax itself?
The compensation package?
How it effects me and my family?
Climate change in general?
The govt? The PM?
The oppositions response to it?
Happy to comment on any of the above just want to know which ones I need to remove the political viewpoint from and which ones need a the politcial ;D
ok WP, I'd be happy to read your answers to all those questions. I obviously hate the whole concept of ANY carbon tax or price because I truly beleive it's a clever excuse for a very quick grab for much needed revenue.
That said Im truly interested in your thoughts to each of those questions. Thanks.
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ok WP, I'd be happy to read your answers to all those questions. I obviously hate the whole concept of ANY carbon tax or price because I truly beleive it's a clever excuse for a very quick grab for much needed revenue.
That said Im truly interested in your thoughts to each of those questions. Thanks.
Fair enough
Ir will have to wait until this evening though when I'm at home
Bit pressed for time at the minute
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Just shut up and pay the tax you peasants, while rich blokes like me cheat the system and pay bugger all, and enjoy the fruits of your labour.
The world keeps on spinning.
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Dont worry WP I'll help you out:
So you just let me know which is it you want me to comment on so I stick to the rules of the game?
The tax itself? The tax is a rort so that labor can try and balance their budget after wasting billions on dodgy schemes.
The compensation package? Is a fiasco of the highest order. Everyone is getting ripped off especially the pensioners etc.
How it effects me and my family? Everyone will get done over when companies pass on the price increases. We will pay more than what we get in compensation.
Climate change in general? Doesnt exist. Its a scam.
The govt? The PM? The worst government in the history of this nation, just after Rudds government. Everyone thought Gough was bad, Gough is a legend compared to these bozos atleast he gave us what we now know as medicare.
The oppositions response to it? Tony Abbott has told the truth. Its a big bad tax. Thats all it is.
How was that WP ;D
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Dont worry WP I'll help you out:
So you just let me know which is it you want me to comment on so I stick to the rules of the game?
The tax itself? The tax is a rort so that labor can try and balance their budget after wasting billions on dodgy schemes.
The compensation package? Is a fiasco of the highest order. Everyone is getting ripped off especially the pensioners etc.
How it effects me and my family? Everyone will get done over when companies pass on the price increases. We will pay more than what we get in compensation.
Climate change in general? Doesnt exist. Its a scam.
The govt? The PM? The worst government in the history of this nation, just after Rudds government. Everyone thought Gough was bad, Gough is a legend compared to these bozos atleast he gave us what we now know as medicare.
The oppositions response to it? Tony Abbott has told the truth. Its a big bad tax. Thats all it is.
How was that WP ;D
Not even close Flagman :thumbsup
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Typical labor. Buying votes with giving out free money to certain classes while others even the middle class will get a rise in there marginal tax bracket.
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Dont worry WP I'll help you out:
So you just let me know which is it you want me to comment on so I stick to the rules of the game?
The tax itself? The tax is a rort so that labor can try and balance their budget after wasting billions on dodgy schemes.
The compensation package? Is a fiasco of the highest order. Everyone is getting ripped off especially the pensioners etc.
How it effects me and my family? Everyone will get done over when companies pass on the price increases. We will pay more than what we get in compensation.
Climate change in general? Doesnt exist. Its a scam.
The govt? The PM? The worst government in the history of this nation, just after Rudds government. Everyone thought Gough was bad, Gough is a legend compared to these bozos atleast he gave us what we now know as medicare.
The oppositions response to it? Tony Abbott has told the truth. Its a big bad tax. Thats all it is.
How was that WP ;D
:thumbsup spot on flags and Very very funny
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Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm
I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.
:lol
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Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm
I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.
:lol
You do know theres more then one mining company in Australia. So one mining company changing hands doesn't mean jobs won't be lost.
Plus this just shows countries are still buying up coal to burn to create cheap energy. While our government sells it oversea's they want us to stop using it and have to pay more for our power. How is that fair and how is that going to stop global emissions from rising.
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Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm
I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.
:lol
You do know theres more then one mining company in Australia. So one mining company changing hands doesn't mean jobs won't be lost.
Plus this just shows countries are still buying up coal to burn to create cheap energy. While our government sells it oversea's they want us to stop using it and have to pay more for our power. How is that fair and how is that going to stop global emissions from rising.
The point was that Abbott has been saying that the carbon tax "would "destroy" the coal industry".
A blatant scare tactic from Abbott.
And he says that Gillard can't be trusted.
:lol
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"Nationals senator Barnaby Joyce, who travelled with Mr Abbott to the Wambo Mine yesterday, said the takeover bid for Macarthur Coal would not dent the opposition's assault on the $23 carbon price.
"Just because they buy mines in other places doesn't stop them from closing down unprofitable mines, and they will become unprofitable when they bring in the carbon tax," Senator Joyce said. "Unprofitable mines will shut down."
A spokesman for Mr Abbott said last night mergers and acquisitions happened "all the time, whether the market is buoyant or weak - just look at the banks during the global financial crisis . . . the simple fact remains a carbon tax is bad for the coal industry, bad for coal workers and bad for communities which rely on coalmines for survival."
Macarthur's shares closed down 32c, or 2.8 per cent, at $11.08 yesterday as the market digested the impact of the carbon tax on the coal sector.
Peabody chairman and chief executive Greg Boyce said last night his company believed there was "significant value that can be created by managing Macarthur's portfolio of coal assets" focused on Queensland's Bowen Basin.
Peabody boasts that its coal fuels 2 per cent of global electricity generation and that it is a leader in "clean coal solutions"."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/foreign-takeover-bid-for-macarthur-boosts-gillards-carbon-sales-pitch-miner-bets-5bn-on-future-of-coal/story-e6frg9df-1226092727207
Two things
1. Barnaby Joyce is first class moron who thinks he knows better than the head of one of the largest coal companies in the world.
2. This is a company who is a leader in clean coal solutions wanting to invest 4.7 billion dollars in the australian coal industry even with a "great big new toxic" carbon tax looming.
:lol
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look at all these socialists popping out supporting the carbon tax garbage and the resources tax rubbish ... its unbelievable. Labor has become a party of no hopers and losers who all wanna turn australia into a welfare state so that there surfie mates, the greens lobby and the gays - a bunch of losers can go buy hot dogs with their dole cheques. Australia's becoming a rabble with this mob. Oh and Climate Change is a hoax and a scam.
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look at all these socialists popping out supporting the carbon tax garbage and the resources tax rubbish ... its unbelievable. Labor has become a party of no hopers and losers who all wanna turn australia into a welfare state so that there loser surfie mates, green junket fliers and gayboy losers can go buy hot dogs with their dole cheques. Australia's becoming a rabble with this mob. Oh and Climate Change is a hoax and a scam.
:lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY
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look at all these socialists popping out supporting the carbon tax garbage and the resources tax rubbish ... its unbelievable. Labor has become a party of no hopers and losers who all wanna turn australia into a welfare state so that there loser surfie mates, green junket fliers and gayboy losers can go buy hot dogs with their dole cheques. Australia's becoming a rabble with this mob. Oh and Climate Change is a hoax and a scam.
With all this extra welfare(compensation) to people its just going to be another disincentive to get them out working and off the governments money.
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And let's not forget that the next Federal election will be in November 2013.
That's more than two years away.
Do you really think Abbott can sustain this rubbish for that long?
Expect a change in the Liberal leadership before the next election.
:thumbsup
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Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm
I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.
:lol
65 if you want unbiased information on the whole carbon tax/mining issue the last place you should be looking is the ABC, the mouthpiece of the Labor party. :chuck
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Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm
I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.
:lol
yes flags. The abc is one eyed labour.
Anyway '65 you need to read more. It's a fact the greens want to Close down the coal industry they've said as much over and over again.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/greens-would-shut-a-coal-industry-worth-60bn-in-export-revenues/story-e6frg906-1226083073173 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/greens-would-shut-a-coal-industry-worth-60bn-in-export-revenues/story-e6frg906-1226083073173)
the labour party didn't want to bring in a tax, Julia and swan told us as much days before the election. But they had to cave in to the greens demands to form government.
Even senator Rhiannon has already pointed out her desire to close coal mines in 10 years.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/greens-plan-to-shut-down-coal-industry-to-cost-australia-200000-jobs-36b-a-year-in-gdp/story-e6freqmx-1226086761615 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/greens-plan-to-shut-down-coal-industry-to-cost-australia-200000-jobs-36b-a-year-in-gdp/story-e6freqmx-1226086761615)
Now it might not be the agenda of the labour party but as already shown they are willing to do anything the greens ask. Now that the greens have the balance of power in the senate they know they have labour by the balls.
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But doen't this prove that Tony's rants about the death of the industry was all so much BS?
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But doen't this prove that Tony's rants about the death of the industry was all so much BS?
'65
???
It proves that the greens have this agenda and if they squeeze the government hard enough they might just get their way.
Let me ask you a question '65. Your a smart fellow.
How much will global temperatures fall with the implementation of the Carbon tax and ETS by the year 2050?
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But doen't this prove that Tony's rants about the death of the industry was all so much BS?
'65
???
It proves that the greens have this agenda and if they squeeze the government hard enough they might just get their way.
Let me ask you a question '65. Your a smart fellow.
How much will global temperatures fall with the implementation of the Carbon tax and ETS by the year 2050?
Not much in the short term but if we do nothing it will be a lot worse.
How big the fall will be will be determined by when China (and they have started the process) and the Americans get their act together.
But we should think of our grandchildren and not our own hip pockets.
And you have to ask why is the Labor party doing this?
(and it is not because they are stupid)
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And with the election over two years away this will all be forgotten about. The sky is not going to fall in.
Businesses and voters will get used to the change fairly quickly. (just like they did with the GST)
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ok WP, I'd be happy to read your answers to all those questions. I obviously hate the whole concept of ANY carbon tax or price because I truly beleive it's a clever excuse for a very quick grab for much needed revenue.
That said Im truly interested in your thoughts to each of those questions. Thanks.
haven't forgotten you Mr Tigra
Just had some more pressing things to deal with than the forum in the last 18 odd hours ;D
Like spending just on 3 hours in the emergency dept at the Animal Hospital last night/this morning with our puppy - gawd I am exhausted :sleep
Anyway will try to get back to answering as I promised tonight
And BTW can I just add: while the argument is that the ABC is pro-ALP and they can't be trrusted in their reporting on all matters political
Quoting articles from the News Corp papers is a bit pointless as they (it can be argued) are simply pro-Lib/Nat like the ABC is to ALP ;D
Just look at Andrew Bolt and Terry McCrann :rollin :rollin
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But doen't this prove that Tony's rants about the death of the industry was all so much BS?
'65
???
It proves that the greens have this agenda and if they squeeze the government hard enough they might just get their way.
Let me ask you a question '65. Your a smart fellow.
How much will global temperatures fall with the implementation of the Carbon tax and ETS by the year 2050?
Not much in the short term but if we do nothing it will be a lot worse.
How big the fall will be will be determined by when China (and they have started the process) and the Americans get their act together.
But we should think of our grandchildren and not our own hip pockets.
And you have to ask why is the Labor party doing this?
(and it is not because they are stupid)
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facts are '65 no matter what WE do in this great country of ours it will be like peeing in the bay.
I'm indignant because as much as the government talks about Carbon pollution it's a tax on CO2 which isn't a pollutant. Fact.
Why then if CO2 levels in the atmosphere has risen in the last 10 years but temperatures haven't gone up but have remained steady in those 10 years?
I'm with Flags here. It's a big excuse for more revenue and the greens have reaping the benefits of their political position to force there socialist agenda on all of us.
The difference between this tax and the GST is that the people of Australia voted in the coalition on the knowledge of the incoming GST. But with labour we didn't know of the back door deals they were doing with the greens just before the federal election especially after Julia and Swan told us they weren't going to have a carbon tax just before the election.
Doesn't that upset you or are you suffering from cognitive dissonance?
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The difference between this tax and the GST is that the people of Australia voted in the coalition on the knowledge of the incoming GST. But with labour we didn't know of the back door deals they were doing with the greens just before the federal election especially after Julia and Swan told us they weren't going to have a carbon tax just before the election.
The next election is over two years away,
Are Abbott and his stooges going to run around shouting "The sky is falling" for the next two years?
Heaven help us.
Trust me the public and business will get used to the new procedures and just get on with it.
And let me repeat the next elextion is over two years away. Labor, the Greens and the Independents are not going to go to an early election.
It is all (literally) just a lot of hot air.
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ok WP, I'd be happy to read your answers to all those questions. I obviously hate the whole concept of ANY carbon tax or price because I truly beleive it's a clever excuse for a very quick grab for much needed revenue.
That said Im truly interested in your thoughts to each of those questions. Thanks.
haven't forgotten you Mr Tigra
Just had some more pressing things to deal with than the forum in the last 18 odd hours ;D
Like spending just on 3 hours in the emergency dept at the Animal Hospital last night/this morning with our puppy - gawd I am exhausted :sleep
Anyway will try to get back to answering as I promised tonight
And BTW can I just add: while the argument is that the ABC is pro-ALP and they can't be trrusted in their reporting on all matters political
Quoting articles from the News Corp papers is a bit pointless as they (it can be argued) are simply pro-Lib/Nat like the ABC is to ALP ;D
Just look at Andrew Bolt and Terry McCrann :rollin :rollin
sorry to here about your puppy WP I hope it's ok.
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Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm
I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.
:lol
65 if you want unbiased information on the whole carbon tax/mining issue the last place you should be looking is the ABC, the mouthpiece of the Labor party. :chuck
to a certain point that is true, the ABC does tend to lean towards the left, but they are still the most impartial media resource going around.
the commercial media will blatantly back the party that they feel will give themselves the best result and mostly that will be the libs, but not always
The australian for instance happily (proudly) admitted that they use their position to influence politics as much as possible.
If you'd ever seen kerry o'brian interview a politician of any persuasion you would get something that you hardly ever get in commercial media, quality journalism, unafraid to ask hard questions to pollies of all sides.
true impartiality within the media is justa pipedream, but ironically it is the government run media that comes closest
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Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm
I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.
:lol
65 if you want unbiased information on the whole carbon tax/mining issue the last place you should be looking is the ABC, the mouthpiece of the Labor party. :chuck
to a certain point that is true, the ABC does tend to lean towards the left, but they are still the most impartial media resource going around.
the commercial media will blatantly back the party that they feel will give themselves the best result and mostly that will be the libs, but not always
The australian for instance happily (proudly) admitted that they use their position to influence politics as much as possible.
If you'd ever seen kerry o'brian interview a politician of any persuasion you would get something that you hardly ever get in commercial media, quality journalism, unafraid to ask hard questions to pollies of all sides.
true impartiality within the media is justa pipedream, but ironically it is the government run media that comes closest
(http://miniskips.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/melbourne-rubbish-removal.jpg)
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Thought I'd throw this into the mix....
Record melt will see Arctic ice-free in summer by 2030
http://www.theage.com.au/world/record-melt-will-see-arctic-icefree-in-summer-by-2030-20110712-1hcah.html?from=age_sb
If trends continue, a largely ice-free Arctic in summer months is likely within 30 years.
SEA ice in the Arctic is melting at a record pace this year, suggesting warming at the north pole is speeding up and a largely ice-free Arctic can be expected in summer months within 30 years.
The area of the Arctic ocean at least 15 per cent covered in ice is this week about 8.5 million square kilometres - lower than the previous record low set in 2007 - according to satellite monitoring by the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado.
As well, data from the University of Washington Polar Science Centre shows that the thickness of Arctic ice this year is also the lowest on record. In the past 10 days, the Arctic ocean has been losing as much as 150,000 square kilometres of sea ice a day, NSIDC director Mark Serreze said.
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''The extent [of the ice cover] is going down, but it is also thinning. So a weather pattern that formerly would melt some ice, now gets rid of much more.
''There will be ups and downs, but we are on track to see an ice-free summer by 2030. It is an overall downward spiral.''
Global warming has been melting Arctic sea ice for the past 30 years at a rate of about 3 per cent a decade on average. But the two new data sets suggest that, if these trends continue, a largely ice-free Arctic in summer months is likely within 30 years.
That is up to 40 years earlier than was anticipated in the last Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment report.
Sea ice, which is at its maximum extent in March and its lowest in September each year, is widely considered to be one of the ''canaries in the mine'' for climate change, because the poles are heating up faster than anywhere else on Earth.
According to the NSIDC, air temperatures for June 2011 were between 1 degree and 4 degrees warmer than average over most of the Arctic ocean.
The findings support a recent study in the journal Science that suggested water flowing from the Atlantic into the Arctic ocean is warmer today than at any time in the past 2000 years and could be one of the explanations for the rapid sea-ice melt now being observed.
Computer simulations performed by NASA suggest that the retreat of Arctic sea ice will not continue at a constant rate.
Instead, the simulations show a series of abrupt decreases such as the one that occurred in 2007, when a ''perfect storm'' of weather conditions coincided and more ice was lost in one year than in the previous 28 years combined. Compared with the 1950s, over half of the Arctic sea ice had disappeared.
What concerns polar scientists is that thicker ice which does not melt in the summer is not being formed as fast as the ice is melting. On average each year about half of the first year ice, formed between September and March, melts during the following summer.
This year, the founder of the Weather Underground climate monitoring website, Jeff Masters, said a high pressure system centred north of Alaska had brought clear skies and plenty of ice-melting sunshine to the Arctic.
Sea ice has an important effect on the heat balance of the polar oceans, since it insulates the relatively warm ocean from the much colder air above, thus reducing heat loss from the oceans.
GUARDIAN
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Almost two-thirds of Australia's economists say the government's carbon pricing package is good economic policy, while even more oppose the Coalition's plan.
A new study by the Economic Society of Australia, released today, found 60 per cent of economists believed the move to put a price on carbon from mid-2012 and to use the funds to benefit households, industry and clean energy was sound economic policy.
Almost 85 per cent said they did not think the Coalition's alternative "direct action'' plan was a sound economic proposal to reduce carbon emissions.
http://www.theage.com.au/business/economists-slam-abbotts-carbon-plans-20110713-1hd3d.html
:lol
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I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.
:lol
Not long methinks
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/turnbull-stirs-pot-on-carbon-tax-20110713-1he6f.html
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Let me get this straight.
My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
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Let me get this straight.
My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
Let me ask you this. When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
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Let me get this straight.
My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
Let me ask you this. When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
Let me ask you this. When you go to a Richmond club function, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
What's this got to do with anything we are talking about????
I'm not even a member of ANY church or ANY religious organisation. Do you want to know if Ive contributed? Why would you need to know that???
Do you REALLY want to make this a religious debate? I don't understand. If you want a theological debate I'll be a happy man.
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Let me get this straight.
My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
If you think I support it you must of missed all my posts on this thread.
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Let me get this straight.
My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
If you think I support it you must of missed all my posts on this thread.
sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then. :cheers :thumbsup
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Bob on tv saying there should be a character test on media proprietors. The man wants Government to control our life. First it was the carbon tax that doesn't reduce any emissions its just wealth redistribution now this.
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sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then. :cheers :thumbsup
Just noticed your signature.
If you are going to quote the Bible you need to take out the line numbers.
That way you look a little less silly.
:thumbsup
'65
9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Geez every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Geez Geez is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11
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sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then. :cheers :thumbsup
Just noticed your signature.
If you are going to quote the Bible you need to take out the line numbers.
That way you look a little less silly.
:thumbsup
'65
9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Geez every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Geez Geez is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11
I fail to understand how that can make ME look silly. It's how it's written in bible. I just used copy and paste. :thumbsup
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sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then. :cheers :thumbsup
Just noticed your signature.
If you are going to quote the Bible you need to take out the line numbers.
That way you look a little less silly.
:thumbsup
'65
9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Geez every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Geez Geez is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11
I fail to understand how that can make ME look silly. It's how it's written in bible. I just used copy and paste. :thumbsup
You cut and paste from an online version.
Just leave out the line numbers.
It's all good, I'm glad to see you are a Bible reading soul.
:thumbsup
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Bob on tv saying there should be a character test on media proprietors. The man wants Government to control our life. First it was the carbon tax that doesn't reduce any emissions its just wealth redistribution now this.
I think you'll find this has to do with the fallout from The mire Murdock finds himself in in GB. With the tories in bed with some of the perpetrators the brits are finally waking up to just how dangerous it is to have media moguls influence politics.
Similar concerns are also being raised in the US
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Let me get this straight.
My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
Let me ask you this. When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
Let me ask you this. When you go to a Richmond club function, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
What's this got to do with anything we are talking about????
I'm not even a member of ANY church or ANY religious organisation. Do you want to know if Ive contributed? Why would you need to know that???
Do you REALLY want to make this a religious debate? I don't understand. If you want a theological debate I'll be a happy man.
Nice analogy re the club, but IMHO my point stands unaddressed.
Happy to have a debate on this, theological, religious and scientific.
Start the thread.
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i think that went over his head, dooks.
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i think that went over his head, dooks.
More through to the keeper.
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sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then. :cheers :thumbsup
Just noticed your signature.
If you are going to quote the Bible you need to take out the line numbers.
That way you look a little less silly.
:thumbsup
'65
9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Geez every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Geez Geez is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11
I fail to understand how that can make ME look silly. It's how it's written in bible. I just used copy and paste. :thumbsup
I think it was the part when you quoted the bible.
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sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then. :cheers :thumbsup
Just noticed your signature.
If you are going to quote the Bible you need to take out the line numbers.
That way you look a little less silly.
:thumbsup
'65
9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Geez every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Geez Geez is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11
I fail to understand how that can make ME look silly. It's how it's written in bible. I just used copy and paste. :thumbsup
I think it was the part when you quoted the bible.
:thumbsup
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Let me get this straight.
My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
Let me ask you this. When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
Let me ask you this. When you go to a Richmond club function, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
What's this got to do with anything we are talking about????
I'm not even a member of ANY church or ANY religious organisation. Do you want to know if Ive contributed? Why would you need to know that???
Do you REALLY want to make this a religious debate? I don't understand. If you want a theological debate I'll be a happy man.
Nice analogy re the club, but IMHO my point stands unaddressed.
Happy to have a debate on this, theological, religious and scientific.
Start the thread.
so let me get this right.... You are HAPPY that the government is introducing a tax on CO2?
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Let me get this straight.
My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
Let me ask you this. When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
Dooks, to keep you happy I'll dispatch this one to the boundary for 4. Do I put money in the collection plate at church? Not only did I put it in, I also collected it. Why did I do it? Because I knew where it was going and what it was for.
Now here is a question for you. Do you know where the money that you are about to get taxed for non polluting CO2 is going? There hasn't even been any economic modelling on the so called rebates that Princess Fiona has spouted. FACT. So if you know where your Carbon tax money is going then let me hold your hand up and call you Nostradamus. I'm sorry but the Baby is driving the bus on this one. Nobody in the Government has a clue on how this will all pan out.
Let me clarify my stance on all of this. Do I believe Climate change exists? YES. The climate has been changing on this planet since its creation. Do I believe that Carbon dioxide levels are directly responsible for the warming and cooling of the planet? NO! Carbon dioxide is a consequence of temperature, not a cause. Carbon dioxide is NOT a pollutant.
All this Carbon Tax crap is based on one chapter (Chapter 9) in a United Nations IPCC report which was endorsed by only 5 reviewers and it is yet to be proven that they were even scientists. How the Ginger Ninja is spouting 4000 scientists endorsed the UN IPCC report is nothing but pure folly.
Can anyone here prove to me that 1, the earth is currently warming and 2, that this warming is a direct consequence of increased carbon dioxide levels caused by humans in the earths atmosphere? I won't hold my breath on this one....
If the government tomorrow said we are implementing a Hospital tax to eliminate waiting times and to increase funding to critical medical research, I'd not only happily pay the tax, I'd find out if there was a way to pay more. But to be forced to pay a tax based on flawed science and computer modelling cuts me to the core. This is a cash grab of the highest order and I cringe every time I hear Gillard's "scary bedtime stories". People, there is no boogie man in the closet! (No Ramps not Jim Boogie, he does exist ;D)
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I see the BS pseudo-science masquerading as real science is still prevalent amongst those who can't accept or are ignorant the scientific evidence :whistle.
MT you would be pretty upset with 500 of the biggest polluters now getting off in this watered down policy that will not do anything to save the planet from global warming that will flood the earth or dry us out like Mars.
All about baby steps tiger101 so whether it's 500 or 1000 companies is irrelevant. It's all about starting the transition of the Australian economy over the next 40+ years to one that will no longer rely heavily on fossil fuels (and the CO2 emissions that come with them) for our energy needs. The world is and will be moving to pricing carbon (South Korea the latest country in 2015) so Australia can't take the economic risk of doing nothing.
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1 question I want to know. Is when this develops into an ETS how will the government afford to pay for all this compensation.
Basically the same way it will under the fixed price Carbon Tax mechanism. From July 1, 2012 to June 30, 2015 the Government will make available each year a unlimited number of permits (each corresponding to 1 tonne of CO2) at $23 each. The 500 largest companies that emit "carbon pollution" will have to purchase as many permits to cover their emissions each year. The revenue from this goes to the Government which will be distributed (eg: 50% to households on lower-middle incomes as compensation). International trade exposed companies (in Steel for example) will basically get their permits for free. From July 1, 2015 the mechanism switches to a cap and trade ETS whereby the Government caps the number of permits available to a fixed number corresponding to the level of emissions allowed. Most of these permits will be auctioned off by the Government and the companies will have to compete and bid for them given there's only a fixed number of permits. Some companies will be willing to continue to pay for these while others will find reducing their emissions less expensive. Under the ETS companies will also be allowed to trade their permits on market so industries that require more permits can purchase them. Once again trade exposed industries will receive free permits. Over time the cap will be lowered hence the total emissions allowed will be lowered. The plan is to have a 80% reduction in emissions by 2050. As for your question tiger101, the compensation under the ETS will come from part of the revenue generated from the auctioning of the permits (presumanly there'll also be some capital gains tax revenue from those companies who via a trade sell their permits at a profit just like any other security on the market).
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Let me clarify my stance on all of this. Do I believe Climate change exists? YES. The climate has been changing on this planet since its creation. Do I believe that Carbon dioxide levels are directly responsible for the warming and cooling of the planet? NO! Carbon dioxide is a consequence of temperature, not a cause. Carbon dioxide is NOT a pollutant.
If the bold part were true tiga then the Earth would still be covered in a frozen layer of ice known as "Snowball Earth". A million years ago approx. it took volcanic eruptions to break through the ice and pump CO2 into the atmosphere. Without any carbon sinks due to the ice the greenhouse effect kicked in big time and eventually melted the ice. Once the rocky and watery Earth underneath (carbon sinks) were exposed the carbon sinks outweighed the sources and CO2 levels fell back down again. As an aside in the process O2 in the atmosphere rose from 1% to current levels of 21% leading to an explosion in macroscopic life.
From the Collins English dictionary:
pollution (n)
1. the act of polluting or the state of being polluted
2. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Environmental Science) harmful or poisonous substances introduced into an environment
The CO2 we are talking about is the CO2 produced as a waste product from the burning of fossil fuels to extract energy. This waste product CO2 which has a different carbon isotope ratio (13C/12C) to atmospheric CO2 is freely being pumped into the atmosphere as an addition to the CO2 already up there and has caused CO2 levels to rise from 280ppm to 390ppm in the past 150 years. We are pumping more CO2 (as well as methane (CH4) and other greenhouse gases) into the atmosphere than the natural carbon sinks can absorb so CO2 levels continue to rise. As it's leading towards a harmful situation on the environment (rising global surface temperatures over time (decades) and towards an extra 2 degree tipping point) then it's called "pollution" by definition.
Can anyone here prove to me that 1, the earth is currently warming and 2, that this warming is a direct consequence of increased carbon dioxide levels caused by humans in the earths atmosphere? I won't hold my breath on this one....
1. It's not a monotonic increase as shown for example in that paper posted by tiger101 just recently where layers of smog (SO2) can have a competing cooling effect that creates a temporary lull in the rise of surface temperature (see graph posted in this thread: post WWII - 1970s and 1999-2008) but the last two data points 2009 and 2010 have gone up again.
2. As mentioned above the ratio of 13C/12C carbon isotopes is different (slightly lower) in fossil fuels (as its made from mostly decayed plant material and plants prefer the lower atomic mass carbon 12 when they photosynthesize). So not only can scientists measure CO2 levels in the atmosphere but they also can measure the change in the isotope ratio in the atmosphere and this ratio has just so happened fallen over the past 150 years as we as humans have continually added CO2 with a lower ratio from the burning of fossil fuels.
The evidence for AGW is not based on modelling btw. It is based on various empirical evidence.
People, there is no boogie man in the closet! (No Ramps not Jim Boogie, he does exist ;D)
You mean the coal industry and the economy in general ain't going to "die" due to carbon pricing as Abbott, McCrann and Bolt claim :wallywink.
And let's not to leave out the travelling Wizard of Oz with the phony peerage Chris Monckton who gives a few quotes in Latin as part of his act to give the impression he knows all yet when you remove the screen of BS he's just a con artist collecting money from gullible neo-cons who are desperate for someone anyone to tell them only what they want to hear. I mean if he's such a genius as his neo-con disciples claim then he should know the difference between surface area and volume when he's talking about Greenland :wallywink. Btw has he found the cure for AIDS and MS yet as he's claimed :nup. The guy is a complete and utter nutjob! He reminds me of emails out of the blue telling me Einstein's theory of general relativity and quantum physics were totally wrong and how their BS "theories" that actually prove nothing were right. It's quite amazing that there are fruitcakes out there who fanatically believe their mumbo jumbo pseudo-science crap and think it's a conspiracy theory when no one in science takes them seriously! :help
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tiga, do you not believe that absorption of excess co2 by the oceans is leading to acidification of the waters?
https://darchive.mblwhoilibrary.org/handle/1912/370
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.marine.010908.163834
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/320/5879/1020.short
http://eprints.ifm-geomar.de/7878/1/965_Raven_2005_OceanAcidificationDueToIncreasing_Monogr_pubid13120.pdf
ftp://128.193.67.22/dist/OMEL/Diazo_CO2/MEPS_ThemeSection08.pdf#page=77
http://www.int-res.com/articles/theme/m373p285.pdf
theres plenty more to be found using google scholar. (which should be first point of call for investigating scientific info)
to make comments about flawed science and them make a comment about co2 not being a pollutant.....
I think you may have missed dook's point about the collection plate, but surely you are taking the pee when you say you put money on the plate and collected it. your not saying you're a god botherer are you? didn't you once accuse me of holding to Geez dick?
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Julia crying......which Julia is it??? :nopity :nopity :nopity
was she crying because noone loves her anymore? Well Mark Riley loves her and she should read this thread because the majority on here think she can do no wrong. ::)
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Julia crying......which Julia is it??? :nopity :nopity :nopity
was she crying because noone loves her anymore? Well Mark Riley loves her and she should read this thread because the majority on here think she can do no wrong. ::)
Facts
1. The next election is more than two years away.
2. The Independents and Greens will not want an early election.
3. Tony A cannot force an election.
4. The carbon Tax is here to stay.
5. The sky will not fall in.
6. Tony Abbott is a dead man walking.
:thumbsup
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Julia crying......which Julia is it??? :nopity :nopity :nopity
was she crying because noone loves her anymore? Well Mark Riley loves her and she should read this thread because the majority on here think she can do no wrong. ::)
Facts
1. The next election is more than two years away.
2. The Independents and Greens will not want an early election.
3. Tony A cannot force an election.
4. The carbon Tax is here to stay.
5. The sky will not fall in.
6. Tony Abbott is a dead man walking.
:thumbsup
facts
the independants and the greens run the country.
Carbon tax is a ruse for more money.
This current government will go into the history books as the WORST government Australia has EVER had.
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Julia crying......which Julia is it??? :nopity :nopity :nopity
was she crying because noone loves her anymore? Well Mark Riley loves her and she should read this thread because the majority on here think she can do no wrong. ::)
Facts
1. The next election is more than two years away.
2. The Independents and Greens will not want an early election.
3. Tony A cannot force an election.
4. The carbon Tax is here to stay.
5. The sky will not fall in.
6. Tony Abbott is a dead man walking.
:thumbsup
facts
the independants and the greens run the country.
Carbon tax is a ruse for more money.
This current government will go into the history books as the WORST government Australia has EVER had.
Debatable but there is nothing Tony Abbott or you can do about it.
:lol
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Let me clarify my stance on all of this. Do I believe Climate change exists? YES. The climate has been changing on this planet since its creation. Do I believe that Carbon dioxide levels are directly responsible for the warming and cooling of the planet? NO! Carbon dioxide is a consequence of temperature, not a cause. Carbon dioxide is NOT a pollutant.
If the bold part were true tiga then the Earth would still be covered in a frozen layer of ice known as "Snowball Earth". A million years ago approx. it took volcanic eruptions to break through the ice and pump CO2 into the atmosphere. Without any carbon sinks due to the ice the greenhouse effect kicked in big time and eventually melted the ice. Once the rocky and watery Earth underneath (carbon sinks) were exposed the carbon sinks outweighed the sources and CO2 levels fell back down again. As an aside in the process O2 in the atmosphere rose from 1% to current levels of 21% leading to an explosion in macroscopic life.
From the Collins English dictionary:
pollution (n)
1. the act of polluting or the state of being polluted
2. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Environmental Science) harmful or poisonous substances introduced into an environment
The CO2 we are talking about is the CO2 produced as a waste product from the burning of fossil fuels to extract energy. This waste product CO2 which has a different carbon isotope ratio (13C/12C) to atmospheric CO2 is freely being pumped into the atmosphere as an addition to the CO2 already up there and has caused CO2 levels to rise from 280ppm to 390ppm in the past 150 years. We are pumping more CO2 (as well as methane (CH4) and other greenhouse gases) into the atmosphere than the natural carbon sinks can absorb so CO2 levels continue to rise. As it's leading towards a harmful situation on the environment (rising global surface temperatures over time (decades) and towards an extra 2 degree tipping point) then it's called "pollution" by definition.
Can anyone here prove to me that 1, the earth is currently warming and 2, that this warming is a direct consequence of increased carbon dioxide levels caused by humans in the earths atmosphere? I won't hold my breath on this one....
1. It's not a monotonic increase as shown for example in that paper posted by tiger101 just recently where layers of smog (SO2) can have a competing cooling effect that creates a temporary lull in the rise of surface temperature (see graph posted in this thread: post WWII - 1970s and 1999-2008) but the last two data points 2009 and 2010 have gone up again.
2. As mentioned above the ratio of 13C/12C carbon isotopes is different (slightly lower) in fossil fuels (as its made from mostly decayed plant material and plants prefer the lower atomic mass carbon 12 when they photosynthesize). So not only can scientists measure CO2 levels in the atmosphere but they also can measure the change in the isotope ratio in the atmosphere and this ratio has just so happened fallen over the past 150 years as we as humans have continually added CO2 with a lower ratio from the burning of fossil fuels.
The evidence for AGW is not based on modelling btw. It is based on various empirical evidence.
People, there is no boogie man in the closet! (No Ramps not Jim Boogie, he does exist ;D)
You mean the coal industry and the economy in general ain't going to "die" due to carbon pricing as Abbott, McCrann and Bolt claim :wallywink.
And let's not to leave out the travelling Wizard of Oz with the phony peerage Chris Monckton who gives a few quotes in Latin as part of his act to give the impression he knows all yet when you remove the screen of BS he's just a con artist collecting money from gullible neo-cons who are desperate for someone anyone to tell them only what they want to hear. I mean if he's such a genius as his neo-con disciples claim then he should know the difference between surface area and volume when he's talking about Greenland :wallywink. Btw has he found the cure for AIDS and MS yet as he's claimed :nup. The guy is a complete and utter nutjob! He reminds me of emails out of the blue telling me Einstein's theory of general relativity and quantum physics were totally wrong and how their BS "theories" that actually prove nothing were right. It's quite amazing that there are fruitcakes out there who fanatically believe their mumbo jumbo pseudo-science crap and think it's a conspiracy theory when no one in science takes them seriously! :help
Whoa...I think I need a month to digest all of that MT. If you are going to debate with me, (and I am keen to do so) please buy a comma or two. I know you strongly disagree with what I have said, and I am happy to hear your argument but god damn, slow it down a bit. It would be like If I discussed networking technologies and the OSI layer (of which I am skilled) in extreme detail with you to prove why the NBN is a complete waste of 34 billion dollars. I know you are well versed in scientific theory but using a verbal avalanche to justify your argument is just going to make we want to switch off. If your responses are detailed, then please break your replies into stages so I can have the opportunity for a rebuttal.
And al, if you want to debate this, stop following the MT "road train" just so you can feed on any road kill left in his wake. Throwing a truck load of links at me is lazy and does not provide you with any credibility. This is not the first time you have done this. You are looking like the kid at school standing behind the bully saying "yeah what he says".
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I think you may have missed dook's point about the collection plate, but surely you are taking the pee when you say you put money on the plate and collected it. your not saying you're a god botherer are you? didn't you once accuse me of holding to Geez dick?
What planet are you from??? It is you who have missed the point. I WAS a friggin collector you tool. I collected the money pew by pew and then gave the money to the head collector.
Don't tell me what I do or don't understand. Dooks was talking about everyone chipping in for the collective good.
And what is a Geez dick?? :rollin You are clueless pal. Stick to your Simpsons quotes they make you appear far more intelligent.
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Whoa...I think I need a month to digest all of that MT.
How about a picture then
from http://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/climate-change/pricing-explained/
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/2788516/data/emissions-grapha-image-data.png)
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And then all the world saw all these little piggies flying across the sky :lol
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And then all the world saw all these little piggies flying across the sky :lol
Too simple an explanation?
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The problem I have & relates to me being a sparky ,is that the humble incandescent lamp is very effective & cheap to make , now compare that to its replacement in a compact fluoro, many many processes to build, using yes energy & yes emitting carbon during the manufacturing.
Therefore my opinion is that over the life of the lamp the energy savings & therefore the carbon emission’s are most probably LESS using the incandescent
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And then all the world saw all these little piggies flying across the sky :lol
Too simple an explanation?
how about cutting out the "Crap" and replace coal with nuclear energy accross the country? Stop selling coal.
Are you greenies fairdinkum or is that too simple an answer.
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And al, if you want to debate this, stop following the MT "road train" just so you can feed on any road kill left in his wake. Throwing a truck load of links at me is lazy and does not provide you with any credibility. This is not the first time you have done this. You are looking like the kid at school standing behind the bully saying "yeah what he says".
hmm. following the MT road train by commenting on the one part of your post. a truck load of links to scientific papers to back up what i say and counter your comment does not provide me with any credability? It is all a little clearer now.
I think you may have missed dook's point about the collection plate, but surely you are taking the pee when you say you put money on the plate and collected it. your not saying you're a god botherer are you? didn't you once accuse me of holding to Geez dick?
What planet are you from??? It is you who have missed the point. I WAS a friggin collector you tool. I collected the money pew by pew and then gave the money to the head collector.
Don't tell me what I do or don't understand. Dooks was talking about everyone chipping in for the collective good.
And what is a Geez dick?? :rollin You are clueless pal. Stick to your Simpsons quotes they make you appear far more intelligent.
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the point was.
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate
think about it, im sure you'll get it eventually, given that someone as clueless as myself can.
as for the Geez dick comment that is my mistake. you actally said i waiting for him turn up so i could stick my finger in his palm, which seems to be slag off at at those that believe in that sort of thing which is why i was surprised when you indicated you were a churchie.
this was in response to me wanting facts before i made a decision on this particular subject, something that those that play for your team seem way short on being able to produce.
I have to admit i am surprised that you so quickly resort to name calling when you don't have an otherwise valid response.
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And then all the world saw all these little piggies flying across the sky :lol
Too simple an explanation?
how about cutting out the "Crap" and replace coal with nuclear energy accross the country? Stop selling coal.
Are you greenies fairdinkum or is that too simple an answer.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gWQaU40PH24/TKvdmOG2VHI/AAAAAAAAJdA/lftIaNJ115I/s400/double-facepalm%5B1%5D.jpg)
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And what is a Geez dick??
A fictional character's penis?
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Westpac economist Bill Evans yesterday reversed the bank's long-held view that the next move in interest rates would be up, saying things had turned so bad so quickly that rates could be slashed over the next 12 months by 100 basis points. If passed on in full, this would slash the current standard variable home rate of about 7.8 per cent to 6.8 per cent.
He also warned that unemployment was set to jump next year, possibly as high as 5.75 per cent, from 4.9 per cent now.
Sounds like the worst time to be introducing one of the biggest taxes this country has ever seen.
We can thank Swan and Gillard for stuffing up the economy.
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And al, if you want to debate this, stop following the MT "road train" just so you can feed on any road kill left in his wake. Throwing a truck load of links at me is lazy and does not provide you with any credibility. This is not the first time you have done this. You are looking like the kid at school standing behind the bully saying "yeah what he says".
hmm. following the MT road train by commenting on the one part of your post. a truck load of links to scientific papers to back up what i say and counter your comment does not provide me with any credability? It is all a little clearer now.
I think you may have missed dook's point about the collection plate, but surely you are taking the pee when you say you put money on the plate and collected it. your not saying you're a god botherer are you? didn't you once accuse me of holding to Geez dick?
What planet are you from??? It is you who have missed the point. I WAS a friggin collector you tool. I collected the money pew by pew and then gave the money to the head collector.
Don't tell me what I do or don't understand. Dooks was talking about everyone chipping in for the collective good.
And what is a Geez dick?? :rollin You are clueless pal. Stick to your Simpsons quotes they make you appear far more intelligent.
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the point was.
I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed.
When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate
think about it, im sure you'll get it eventually, given that someone as clueless as myself can.
as for the Geez dick comment that is my mistake. you actally said i waiting for him turn up so i could stick my finger in his palm, which seems to be slag off at at those that believe in that sort of thing which is why i was surprised when you indicated you were a churchie.
this was in response to me wanting facts before i made a decision on this particular subject, something that those that play for your team seem way short on being able to produce.
I have to admit i am surprised that you so quickly resort to name calling when you don't have an otherwise valid response.
al, how do you expect me to react when you call me a dick and then insinuate that I take money from the church plate all in one reply? If you look at my history, I think you will find I hardly ever resort to name calling unless severely provoked which I believe you did.
My reference to you back in 2009 ( ::) let it go man its been 2 years) was in context with the conversation. You were sitting on the fence, the debate had nothing to do with religion and I was using an analogy to demonstrate that I believed you were a "doubting thomas." I did not know that you were religious, and personally coming from a religious background, the doubting thomas term was used frequently to refer to someone who refused to believe without proof.
Regarding Dooks comment, just because I think differently to you, doesn't mean that my interpretation was wrong, it was just different and no less inaccurate. If you look at his comment as it stands on its own you will see that.
Look, I don't expect us to be friends on this forum and to be honest you always rub me the wrong way, so from now on how about we agree to disagree and I will continue to debate with people I actually like and you can do the same. Sound fair?
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yeah, peace love and harmony.
I'm not sure sure where i called you a dick, but more pertinently, i don't believe i insinuated you stole from the collection plate, and if what i posted could somehow be construed that way it was never my intent. I may be low, but i rarely sink to that depth.
the rest of the dribble i couldn't give a stuff about
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moving on... :sleep
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Isn't typical that the Unions are so quiet in relation to this tax. I wonder how quiet or supportive they wouldve been if it was the liberals bringing in a new tax that could jeopardise jobs.
I hear that members are getting very angry.
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Rumours are that Gillard is going to get the same treatment as Rudd. Simon Crean is going to get the Prime Ministership on the basis that he is a low risk choice and will reduce Labors losses at the next election. Dont mind Crean, he is safe and steady operator. Needs to do 3 things 1) Withdraw Labors Support for the Carbon Tax and debunk Climate Change 2) withdraw the Resources Rent Tax 3) change Labors view of the NBN from fibre to the home to fibre to the node as a minimum.
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Rumours are that Gillard is going to get the same treatment as Rudd. Simon Crean is going to get the Prime Ministership on the basis that he is a low risk choice and will reduce Labors losses at the next election. Dont mind Crean, he is safe and steady operator. Needs to do 3 things 1) Withdraw Labors Support for the Carbon Tax and debunk Climate Change 2) withdraw the Resources Rent Tax 3) change Labors view of the NBN from fibre to the home to fibre to the node as a minimum.
rubbish!
:lol
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Rumours are that Gillard is going to get the same treatment as Rudd. Simon Crean is going to get the Prime Ministership on the basis that he is a low risk choice and will reduce Labors losses at the next election. Dont mind Crean, he is safe and steady operator. Needs to do 3 things 1) Withdraw Labors Support for the Carbon Tax and debunk Climate Change 2) withdraw the Resources Rent Tax 3) change Labors view of the NBN from fibre to the home to fibre to the node as a minimum.
rubbish!
:lol
Go tell that to all the backbenchers who are going to end up unemployed after the next election. Theyre not happy with good ol jules. Shes finished as a political leader now known as Miss 26% and Crean is being looked at to take over. Climate Change is a hoax and a scam. Australians have sent the message. Julia and Bobs show will soon be ended.
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According to media the ranga has got until September to get the ALP's stocks up in the opinion polls or shes a goner. Cya Jules nice havin ya around... actually it hasnt been at all shes been a disaster but we all have to be nice now coz we wouldnt want her to cry ;D
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Isn't typical that the Unions are so quiet in relation to this tax. I wonder how quiet or supportive they wouldve been if it was the liberals bringing in a new tax that could jeopardise jobs.
I hear that members are getting very angry.
That's no surprise seeing how the labor party is ran by the Unions.
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Isn't typical that the Unions are so quiet in relation to this tax. I wonder how quiet or supportive they wouldve been if it was the liberals bringing in a new tax that could jeopardise jobs.
I hear that members are getting very angry.
That's no surprise seeing how the labor party is ran by the Unions.
Unions? They way I read it here I thought they were being run by the Greens :rollin :rollin :lol ;D :thumbsup :rollin
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Rumours are that Gillard is going to get the same treatment as Rudd. Simon Crean is going to get the Prime Ministership on the basis that he is a low risk choice and will reduce Labors losses at the next election. Dont mind Crean, he is safe and steady operator. Needs to do 3 things 1) Withdraw Labors Support for the Carbon Tax and debunk Climate Change 2) withdraw the Resources Rent Tax 3) change Labors view of the NBN from fibre to the home to fibre to the node as a minimum.
rubbish!
:lol
Go tell that to all the backbenchers who are going to end up unemployed after the next election. Theyre not happy with good ol jules. Shes finished as a political leader now known as Miss 26% and Crean is being looked at to take over. Climate Change is a hoax and a scam. Australians have sent the message. Julia and Bobs show will soon be ended.
i cant wait for this day. It will be just as good as the day we make the finals. Good riddons to her and her carbon feces.
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Isn't typical that the Unions are so quiet in relation to this tax. I wonder how quiet or supportive they wouldve been if it was the liberals bringing in a new tax that could jeopardise jobs.
I hear that members are getting very angry.
That's no surprise seeing how the labor party is ran by the Unions.
Unions? They way I read it here I thought they were being run by the Greens :rollin :rollin :lol ;D :thumbsup :rollin
Greens are running the government policies no denying that.
But Unions are nothing more then a stepping stones for people like Paul Howes to a labor safe seat.
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The word I am getting is that backbench Liberals (and former PMs like Howard) are fed up with the negativity of Abbott and his stooges esp when it will get them absolutely nothing for all the bluster.
Expect a challenge to Abbott sooner rather than later.
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The word I am getting is that backbench Liberals (and former PMs like Howard) are fed up with the negativity of Abbott and his stooges esp when it will get them absolutely nothing for all the bluster.
Expect a challenge to Abbott sooner rather than later.
Ha I can't see them dumping Abbott while his ahead in the polls by so much. Seeing how at any day something could arise and cause a by-election which could put them into government.
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Ha I can't see them dumping Abbott while his ahead in the polls by so much. Seeing how at any day something could arise and cause a by-election which could put them into government.
There wont be an early election unless there is a change in PM ;D
But seriously I reckon Tony doesn't want Julia replaced and Julia doens't want Tony replaced
the only hope eithe rof them have is the other one being their direct opponent
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Ha I can't see them dumping Abbott while his ahead in the polls by so much. Seeing how at any day something could arise and cause a by-election which could put them into government.
There wont be an early election unless there is a change in PM ;D
But seriously I reckon Tony doesn't want Julia replaced and Julia doens't want Tony replaced
the only hope eithe rof them have is the other one being their direct opponent
I don't think they need each other as much as your trying to portray there WP.
IMO both party's just can't afford to do any leader change.
If Labor do it. It'll pretty much 100% guarantee's them losing at next election. Unless they find someone that can connect brilliantly with the public which I don't think they have anyone of that caliber currently.
Liberals do it then they risk giving Labor a lead back in the polls and puts them on the back foot and most likely fall back into internal party fighting that hurt them before Abbott became leader.
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Ha I can't see them dumping Abbott while his ahead in the polls by so much. Seeing how at any day something could arise and cause a by-election which could put them into government.
There wont be an early election unless there is a change in PM ;D
But seriously I reckon Tony doesn't want Julia replaced and Julia doens't want Tony replaced
the only hope eithe rof them have is the other one being their direct opponent
I don't think they need each other as much as your trying to portray there WP.
IMO both party's just can't afford to do any leader change.
If Labor do it. It'll pretty much 100% guarantee's them losing at next election. Unless they find someone that can connect brilliantly with the public which I don't think they have anyone of that caliber currently.
Liberals do it then they risk giving Labor a lead back in the polls and puts them on the back foot and most likely fall back into internal party fighting that hurt them before Abbott became leader.
tiger101 - you need to loosen up I was being sarcastic
However, being serious for just a minute Labor cannot afford to dump Gillard as it would likely force an election because Oakshott (sp?), Windsor & Wilke have all made it pretty clear that their "deals" were made with Gillard and her being the PM - change that and they have said they are likely to pull their backing.
That happens and it's off to the polls we go and I don't really think any of them really want to face their electorates right at the minute, espeically Oakshott
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Oakeshott and Windsor are tied to Labor no matter who's the leader. There gone at next election so they better off sticking to ALP until next election and trying to get a few more gifts for there electorate to try and save them.
Wilkie is an odd one. If Gillard and Labor back benchers don't vote for his gambling reform he will cross the floor. His the kind of man that would pull down a government but still walk around with his head held high. Plus he'll get back in with liberal preferences. Only independent besides Katter that's safe IMO.
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Now I don't wish this on anyone but it only takes one of the Labor Party to kick the bucket and we are off to an early election.
I bet Oakeshott and Windsor have already done refresher CPR courses and now carry their own personal defibrillator units. :lol
Would a resignation also force us to an early election??
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Even the wall street journal have learnt of the folly that is the current government and it's stupid tax. :clapping
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304203304576447910279095574.html?mod=WSJASIA_hpp_sections_opinion (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304203304576447910279095574.html?mod=WSJASIA_hpp_sections_opinion)
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Now I don't wish this on anyone but it only takes one of the Labor Party to kick the bucket and we are off to an early election.
I bet Oakeshott and Windsor have already done refresher CPR courses and now carry their own personal defibrillator units. :lol
Would a resignation also force us to an early election??
Would force a byelection not an election.
Then it would depend on which seat was vacated.
:cheers
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
it's ridiculous!
We will be paying India for carbon credits for emitting the exact same carbon dioxide from the coal that we export to them.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE76B1XI20110712?irpc=932 (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE76B1XI20110712?irpc=932)
Why is India allowed to gain credits for using the exact same coal?
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
it's ridiculous!
We will be paying India for carbon credits for emitting the exact same carbon dioxide from the coal that we export to them.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE76B1XI20110712?irpc=932 (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE76B1XI20110712?irpc=932)
Why is India allowed to gain credits for using the exact same coal?
Mr T...........
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Before I give my views on the various topics as promised (sorry it's taken so long - been a chaotic week & a bit) I need to make a couple of points that should give some clarity as to my views.
Firstly, one of the very simple philosophies I have is that in life is no-one deserves a free ride in that we all have to pay our way in life.
I was bought up on this by Ma Powell who was the hardest working person I have ever known. She was a woman who was widowed young and had to raise a 2 children under the age of 10. She gave up running our family business when my Father passed away because she believed her most important role she had was looking after her kids not being away from us. And I will always be eternally grateful that she made that choice.
I’ve mentioned this before and that is I was bought up to believe that if you cannot afford something; anything then you go without it. Some call it hard I call it reality
Again this lesson was something that Ma Powell taught us and I learnt what it meant very early on when all my friends were getting new clothes every week and we were wearing “hand me downs”.
I have also said previously that I reckon we are turning into a nation of whingers & sooks with so many people believing that they are owed something or entitled to handouts from governments.
If you refer to this thread : http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13062.msg234889#msg234889
You will see I said this:
" “Entitled to" perhaps that is in part what's wrong with us these days, we think life (read the govt) "owes" us something maybe there are far too many handouts being given out”
I sometimes wonder what did families do before family allowances, baby bonuses etc? From what I can gather they survived. My parents certainly did and my Mother certainly did while raising 2 kids on a widows pension (less than $500 a fortnight) and a very small allowance for us kids coupled with an incredibly tiny income she was allowed to earn (She cleaned houses for $25 a house) to keep her pension. It certainly wasn’t the handouts of today but we survived went without a helluva lot (no colour TV until late 1980 and then it was just a portable one because it was all we could afford) though in all honesty but I wouldn’t change a thing because it is part of who I am today.
Which brings me back to topic of the carbon tax and all its appendages. ;D
I don’t expect people to agree with me but I was asked for my views and I am happy to oblige
Carbon Tax: As person who supported an ETS it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to oppose a price on carbon. However I can understand why people are against it. Although the constant “flip flopping” of the reason’s why people are against I find myself having a chuckle about (and I am not talking about people here). There have been some strange conversations around the coffee machine at work I can tell you. Personally I have no problems with it being introduced as long as those it is supposedly targeting cop their full whack. As said straight up as a person who fully supported an ETS I would be a complete hypocrite to say no to a price on carbon. I still believe to this day Rudd’s failure on the ETS was what cost him his job
The compensation package: the compensation package has no effect on me as I earn too much and we don’t have kids. My biggest gripe with it is my serial gripe regarding these things and that is doesn’t do enough for pensioners. While every attempt has been made to soften the burden for families by yet again increasing what they believe they are “entitled” to I cannot say the same thing for pensioners. For people who have worked all their lives, paid their way by paying their taxes I reckon we treat our pensioners abysmally and I direct that all govts of all political orientation.
The best part of the compensation package is the significant lifting of the tax-free threshold. That is what I view as a major tax reform. It’s about time it happened and I applaud this govt for having the courage to do it as it is long overdue. Disappointing it took the introduction of a new tax for to happen but a positive step in tax reform none the less. A massive tick for this part of the compo package from me.
TBBH if people are smart they can be better off under this scheme. How I hear you ask? By attempting something really novel … it’s called by living within their means ;D. And before people start saying to me “it’s easy for you’ you don’t have kids” got to say for me that’s a cop out. We might not have kids but we still eat, we still use electricity, we still use gas, drive cars, we have a mortgage to pay… we have to deal with all the things other families do we just make sure we do it all within our means. We want something we save for it…. It aint that hard
How it effects me and my family? As I said earlier because of what we earn we are likely to be worse off. So be it I just see it as another thing that I have to pay for. Another case of me paying my way in life.
Climate change in general? I believe in climate change. I believe it is real. The scientific evidence is there and from everything I’ve been able to research I’ve come to the conclusion it is real and something needs to be done not for me but for the future. I find it amusing that people say we shouldn’t have a price on carbon because other countries who emit more pollutants than Australia aren’t doing anything, so therefore we shouldn’t do anything in other words we should follow their path.
If we want to use that logic perhaps we should not have apologised to the “stolen Generation” because China wont recognise Tibet? Maybe we should follow the USA lead and start drilling in Kakadu because the USA is drilling for oil in the Alaskan wilderness? This isn’t about what others are doing it is about what we need to do for our future, AUstralia's future.
The govt? I have to say I find it hilarious this whole debate about the current Fed govt we have. This constant complaint that people didn’t vote for what we have. Got a newsflash for everyone, we actually did! We as voters did not give one party a clear majority this means under our constitution we have what we actually voted for. We don’t have to like it but it is the way our democracy works. Secondly, I find it staggering that people seem shocked that the Labor Party did deals with people to form govt. Newsflash - Tony Abbott and his party offered deals as well but for reason that only the independents can explain they took the Gillard deal over Abbott’s. As I've said before are people that naive to think that if Lib/Nats were in govt they wouldn't have to do deals with the Greens, independents as well?
Do I think they are doing a good job? On somethings I would say YEP on other things I reckon NOPE but that is the nature of being in minority govt. Unlike so many I applaud them for introducing means testing people who receive govt payments - should happened years ago, for far too long people have ripped the system off which has meant people who truly need assistance have received less. A big NOPE is the this ad campaign for the this tax - hate seeing govts (again doesnt matter which party - Howard did it with work choices) waste money on pointless advertising
The PM? Yep she lied about the carbon tax but she isn’t the first pollie to lie and she wont be the last (Howard anyone). Even honest Abbott has lied and broken election promises and he even admits it:
"Well, Laurie, when I made that statement, in the election campaign, I had not the slightest inkling that there would ever be any intention to change this. But obviously when circumstances change, governments do change their opinions, and that is actually the responsible course of action."
http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1761.asp?s=1
So it’s OK for others to break an election promises but not the current PM? Can anyone explain to me the difference this time? A broken promise is a broken promise no matter which side of politics break the promise
The oppositions response to it? Has there actually been one? ;D Apart from their normal negativity and their promise that they will remove the tax if they get elected and that they will plant some more trees they haven’t offered much at all.
The burning question for me is seeing they have said (promised) they are going to turf the tax and everything else that the govt brings with it what are they going to do about the extra benefits that people are going to receive and more importantly the changes to the tax free threshold limit? Are they going to keep their promise on that and take it all away from people?
And if they do are people going to be sooking about a govt taking away their entitlements? ;)
Bottom line re the Carbon Tax is I will most likely worse off.
But as I said I was bought up to believe that we all must pay our way, work hard, pay taxes and this is just something else I have to pay
Thems the breaks
Ready for the whacks ;D :thumbsup
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My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
I don't think anyone actually likes taxes but we have to have them
Serious question if they got rid various taxes would you be prepared to give up (or give back) all the govt benefits/allowances that you (I am assuming you have kids) currently get?
Taxes go, benefits go, first home buyers grants go
Prepared to give all those things up?
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My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
I don't think anyone actually likes taxes but we have to have them
Serious question if they got rid various taxes would you be prepared to give up (or give back) all the govt benefits/allowances that you (I am assuming you have kids) currently get?
Taxes go, benefits go, first home buyers grants go
Prepared to give all those things up?
Not to mention Education and Health.
:thumbsup
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"Former Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull has urged his party to stop listening to climate change deniers, calling on members to defend the science of climate change and pledge to reduce Australia's emissions."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/turnbull-climate-speech/2805536
The word I here is that he will cross the floor rather than allow Tony Abbott to become Prime Minister.
He is apparently not alone within the Liberal party with his disatisfaction with Tony A.
:thumbsup
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doesnt matter anyway eventually there'll be an election and the Australian public are waiting with baseball bats to deal with the ALP for there complete dishonesty. Every dog has its day and Labor is having it now. Enjoy whilst you can because after the next election you wont be seeing a Labor Government here for the next 10 to 15 years atleast.
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"Former Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull has urged his party to stop listening to climate change deniers, calling on members to defend the science of climate change and pledge to reduce Australia's emissions."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/turnbull-climate-speech/2805536
The word I here is that he will cross the floor rather than allow Tony Abbott to become Prime Minister.
He is apparently not alone within the Liberal party with his disatisfaction with Tony A.
:thumbsup
Ummmm nobody is denying that the climate changes. The climate has been changing since the earth's creation. The primary objection is a pointless TAX on Carbon. Why is it that supporters of the current government rubbish Turnbull when he speaks negatively about the NBN which is actually in his portfolio and something he does know a bit about from his time with OzEmail, yet when he speaks about something you support, he becomes a font of knowledge and a voice of reason?? :banghead
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doesnt matter anyway eventually there'll be an election and the Australian public are waiting with baseball bats to deal with the ALP for there complete dishonesty. Every dog has its day and Labor is having it now. Enjoy whilst you can because after the next election you wont be seeing a Labor Government here for the next 10 to 15 years atleast.
Hear, here flags! :clapping
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Ummmm nobody is denying that the climate changes. The climate has been changing since the earth's creation. The primary objection is a pointless TAX on Carbon. Why is it that supporters of the current government rubbish Turnbull when he speaks negatively about the NBN which is actually in his portfolio and something he does know a bit about from his time with OzEmail, yet when he speaks about something you support, he becomes a font of knowledge and a voice of reason?? :banghead
You have missed the point completely.
IDGAF about Turbull's opinion. The anti-Abbott forces within the Liberal party are starting to gather strength.
Tell me honestly do you like Abbott's constant negativity and three word electioneering two years out from an election.
:thumbsup
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Ummmm nobody is denying that the climate changes. The climate has been changing since the earth's creation. The primary objection is a pointless TAX on Carbon. Why is it that supporters of the current government rubbish Turnbull when he speaks negatively about the NBN which is actually in his portfolio and something he does know a bit about from his time with OzEmail, yet when he speaks about something you support, he becomes a font of knowledge and a voice of reason?? :banghead
You have missed the point completely.
IDGAF about Turbull's opinion. The anti-Abbott forces within the Liberal party are starting to gather strength.
Tell me honestly do you like Abbott's constant negativity and three word electioneering two years out from an election.
:thumbsup
Why should he provide anything more at this stage of a Labor term? Look at the opinion polls...They are the only things that matter and he is winning them. If you think he is doing a crap job then its a sad indictment on the current Labor Government and clearly shows just how incompetent and unpopular they are if someone who you obviously believe is an incapable leader is easily exposing them for what they really are.
As far as Turnbull goes, you obviously think enough of him to trundle out another of your biased little ABC snippets as some sort of proof that things are shaky in the Liberal ranks.
I have to call pot, kettle, black on this one anyway as I'm dying to hear who you think will be our 3rd Labor Prime Minister in this current term? ::) :rollin How many Liberal leaders have we had in this current term??? 8)
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Ummmm nobody is denying that the climate changes. The climate has been changing since the earth's creation. The primary objection is a pointless TAX on Carbon. Why is it that supporters of the current government rubbish Turnbull when he speaks negatively about the NBN which is actually in his portfolio and something he does know a bit about from his time with OzEmail, yet when he speaks about something you support, he becomes a font of knowledge and a voice of reason?? :banghead
You have missed the point completely.
IDGAF about Turbull's opinion. The anti-Abbott forces within the Liberal party are starting to gather strength.
Tell me honestly do you like Abbott's constant negativity and three word electioneering two years out from an election.
:thumbsup
Why should he provide anything more at this stage of a Labor term? Look at the opinion polls...They are the only things that matter and he is winning them. If you think he is doing a crap job then its a sad indictment on the current Labor Government and clearly shows just how incompetent and unpopular they are if someone who you obviously believe is an incapable leader is easily exposing them for what they really are.
As far as Turnbull goes, you obviously think enough of him to trundle out another of your biased little ABC snippets as some sort of proof that things are shaky in the Liberal ranks.
I have to call pot, kettle, black on this one anyway as I'm dying to hear who you think will be our 3rd Labor Prime Minister in this current term? ::) :rollin How many Liberal leaders have we had in this current term??? 8)
Labor is tied to Gillard as the Independents have said they will cross the floor if there is another leadership change within the life of this parliment. FACT.
Libs are way in front of Labor in the polls because of the scare campaign and lies being told by Abbott. FACT
Wake up and smell the coffee.
:lol
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Why should he provide anything more at this stage of a Labor term?
Umm, perhaps because is supposed to be an alterbative prime minister, a leader of a nation. what sort of a leader sits by just waiting for the their opponent to fall over?
Look at the opinion polls...They are the only things that matter and he is winning them
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lets just treat it all as one big poularity contest shall we? dont worry about providing strong leadership with solid policies on how they will govern the country.
no wonder the politicians treat the general public as fools and take them for granted.
we get the politicians we deserve
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we get the politicians we deserve
Sad but true.
:bow
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My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
I don't think anyone actually likes taxes but we have to have them
Serious question if they got rid various taxes would you be prepared to give up (or give back) all the govt benefits/allowances that you (I am assuming you have kids) currently get?
Taxes go, benefits go, first home buyers grants go
Prepared to give all those things up?
I understand taxes WP I just dont like new taxes that are based around deception.
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doesnt matter anyway eventually there'll be an election and the Australian public are waiting with baseball bats to deal with the ALP for there complete dishonesty. Every dog has its day and Labor is having it now. Enjoy whilst you can because after the next election you wont be seeing a Labor Government here for the next 10 to 15 years atleast.
Most of the people I know have always supported Labor. I was indoctrinated all my life from my shopsteward father. I came to understand that my father supported a different labor in a different time. He abandoned the party he loved when Keating became PM. I too came to my senses when I started working and after 15years a union card member I understood that labor are full of crap.
And now all those people I thought would NEVER abandon labor have told me theyll never vote labor again.
I think the party is finished.
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Before I give my views on the various topics as promised (sorry it's taken so long - been a chaotic week & a bit) I need to make a couple of points that should give some clarity as to my views.
Firstly, one of the very simple philosophies I have is that in life is no-one deserves a free ride in that we all have to pay our way in life.
I was bought up on this by Ma Powell who was the hardest working person I have ever known. She was a woman who was widowed young and had to raise a 2 children under the age of 10. She gave up running our family business when my Father passed away because she believed her most important role she had was looking after her kids not being away from us. And I will always be eternally grateful that she made that choice.
I’ve mentioned this before and that is I was bought up to believe that if you cannot afford something; anything then you go without it. Some call it hard I call it reality
Again this lesson was something that Ma Powell taught us and I learnt what it meant very early on when all my friends were getting new clothes every week and we were wearing “hand me downs”.
I have also said previously that I reckon we are turning into a nation of whingers & sooks with so many people believing that they are owed something or entitled to handouts from governments.
If you refer to this thread : http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13062.msg234889#msg234889
You will see I said this:
" “Entitled to" perhaps that is in part what's wrong with us these days, we think life (read the govt) "owes" us something maybe there are far too many handouts being given out”
I sometimes wonder what did families do before family allowances, baby bonuses etc? From what I can gather they survived. My parents certainly did and my Mother certainly did while raising 2 kids on a widows pension (less than $500 a fortnight) and a very small allowance for us kids coupled with an incredibly tiny income she was allowed to earn (She cleaned houses for $25 a house) to keep her pension. It certainly wasn’t the handouts of today but we survived went without a helluva lot (no colour TV until late 1980 and then it was just a portable one because it was all we could afford) though in all honesty but I wouldn’t change a thing because it is part of who I am today.
Which brings me back to topic of the carbon tax and all its appendages. ;D
I don’t expect people to agree with me but I was asked for my views and I am happy to oblige
Carbon Tax: As person who supported an ETS it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to oppose a price on carbon. However I can understand why people are against it. Although the constant “flip flopping” of the reason’s why people are against I find myself having a chuckle about (and I am not talking about people here). There have been some strange conversations around the coffee machine at work I can tell you. Personally I have no problems with it being introduced as long as those it is supposedly targeting cop their full whack. As said straight up as a person who fully supported an ETS I would be a complete hypocrite to say no to a price on carbon. I still believe to this day Rudd’s failure on the ETS was what cost him his job
The compensation package: the compensation package has no effect on me as I earn too much and we don’t have kids. My biggest gripe with it is my serial gripe regarding these things and that is doesn’t do enough for pensioners. While every attempt has been made to soften the burden for families by yet again increasing what they believe they are “entitled” to I cannot say the same thing for pensioners. For people who have worked all their lives, paid their way by paying their taxes I reckon we treat our pensioners abysmally and I direct that all govts of all political orientation.
The best part of the compensation package is the significant lifting of the tax-free threshold. That is what I view as a major tax reform. It’s about time it happened and I applaud this govt for having the courage to do it as it is long overdue. Disappointing it took the introduction of a new tax for to happen but a positive step in tax reform none the less. A massive tick for this part of the compo package from me.
TBBH if people are smart they can be better off under this scheme. How I hear you ask? By attempting something really novel … it’s called by living within their means ;D. And before people start saying to me “it’s easy for you’ you don’t have kids” got to say for me that’s a cop out. We might not have kids but we still eat, we still use electricity, we still use gas, drive cars, we have a mortgage to pay… we have to deal with all the things other families do we just make sure we do it all within our means. We want something we save for it…. It aint that hard
How it effects me and my family? As I said earlier because of what we earn we are likely to be worse off. So be it I just see it as another thing that I have to pay for. Another case of me paying my way in life.
Climate change in general? I believe in climate change. I believe it is real. The scientific evidence is there and from everything I’ve been able to research I’ve come to the conclusion it is real and something needs to be done not for me but for the future. I find it amusing that people say we shouldn’t have a price on carbon because other countries who emit more pollutants than Australia aren’t doing anything, so therefore we shouldn’t do anything in other words we should follow their path.
If we want to use that logic perhaps we should not have apologised to the “stolen Generation” because China wont recognise Tibet? Maybe we should follow the USA lead and start drilling in Kakadu because the USA is drilling for oil in the Alaskan wilderness? This isn’t about what others are doing it is about what we need to do for our future, AUstralia's future.
The govt? I have to say I find it hilarious this whole debate about the current Fed govt we have. This constant complaint that people didn’t vote for what we have. Got a newsflash for everyone, we actually did! We as voters did not give one party a clear majority this means under our constitution we have what we actually voted for. We don’t have to like it but it is the way our democracy works. Secondly, I find it staggering that people seem shocked that the Labor Party did deals with people to form govt. Newsflash - Tony Abbott and his party offered deals as well but for reason that only the independents can explain they took the Gillard deal over Abbott’s. As I've said before are people that naive to think that if Lib/Nats were in govt they wouldn't have to do deals with the Greens, independents as well?
Do I think they are doing a good job? On somethings I would say YEP on other things I reckon NOPE but that is the nature of being in minority govt. Unlike so many I applaud them for introducing means testing people who receive govt payments - should happened years ago, for far too long people have ripped the system off which has meant people who truly need assistance have received less. A big NOPE is the this ad campaign for the this tax - hate seeing govts (again doesnt matter which party - Howard did it with work choices) waste money on pointless advertising
The PM? Yep she lied about the carbon tax but she isn’t the first pollie to lie and she wont be the last (Howard anyone). Even honest Abbott has lied and broken election promises and he even admits it:
"Well, Laurie, when I made that statement, in the election campaign, I had not the slightest inkling that there would ever be any intention to change this. But obviously when circumstances change, governments do change their opinions, and that is actually the responsible course of action."
http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1761.asp?s=1
So it’s OK for others to break an election promises but not the current PM? Can anyone explain to me the difference this time? A broken promise is a broken promise no matter which side of politics break the promise
The oppositions response to it? Has there actually been one? ;D Apart from their normal negativity and their promise that they will remove the tax if they get elected and that they will plant some more trees they haven’t offered much at all.
The burning question for me is seeing they have said (promised) they are going to turf the tax and everything else that the govt brings with it what are they going to do about the extra benefits that people are going to receive and more importantly the changes to the tax free threshold limit? Are they going to keep their promise on that and take it all away from people?
And if they do are people going to be sooking about a govt taking away their entitlements? ;)
Bottom line re the Carbon Tax is I will most likely worse off.
But as I said I was bought up to believe that we all must pay our way, work hard, pay taxes and this is just something else I have to pay
Thems the breaks
Ready for the whacks ;D :thumbsup
fair enough WP. Thanks for your responses. But I truly thought you'd be harder on the current government but I was wrong to think that you would whack one of your own.
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Now I don't wish this on anyone but it only takes one of the Labor Party to kick the bucket and we are off to an early election.
I bet Oakeshott and Windsor have already done refresher CPR courses and now carry their own personal defibrillator units. :lol
Would a resignation also force us to an early election??
A death or resignation in the Reps would force a by-election in that seat. If that causes a change in numbers on the floor of the parliament then either side will be asked to again try and form a working majority via some coalition of parties and independents. If no majority can be formed then the Governor-General will call an election. Remember though the speaker is a Labor candidate so Labor would try to get one of the LNP MPs or even Bob Katter or the independent WA National to become speaker so as to maintain a working majority.
Of course on the issue of carbon pricing there's always the possibility of Turnbull crossing the floor to support a ETS. He's contradicted Abbott's stance regularly. All hypotheticals of course unlike a Lib senator on a shoplifting spree ;). Lucky for Abbott she's only a senator who if convicted can be automatically replaced with another Liberal under the post-1975 dismissal rule change. If she had been a MP it would've been bigger news.
In Victoria when Bracks won as a minority government in 1999 everyone said it wouldn't last 3-6 months and we were only one by-election away from it all falling over. 3 years later he won the next election in a landslide. Like footy, two years is a very long time in politics. Unlike now, in 2013 it'll be Abbott advocating change to a system already in place for a year whereas the Government will be supporting the 'status quo'. The politics has a long long way to go before it is played out.
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My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
I don't think anyone actually likes taxes but we have to have them
Serious question if they got rid various taxes would you be prepared to give up (or give back) all the govt benefits/allowances that you (I am assuming you have kids) currently get?
Taxes go, benefits go, first home buyers grants go
Prepared to give all those things up?
I understand taxes WP I just dont like new taxes that are based around deception.
So you won't be voting for any major party at the next election? The Libs have their "direct action" tax on each and every household.
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So you won't be voting for any major party at the next election? The Libs have their "direct action" tax on each and every household.
Which is designed to be dropped at little cost straight after the election.
A vote for the Libs is not a vote for any sort of action on climate change.
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Now I don't wish this on anyone but it only takes one of the Labor Party to kick the bucket and we are off to an early election.
I bet Oakeshott and Windsor have already done refresher CPR courses and now carry their own personal defibrillator units. :lol
Would a resignation also force us to an early election??
A death or resignation in the Reps would force a by-election in that seat. If that causes a change in numbers on the floor of the parliament then either side will be asked to again try and form a working majority via some coalition of parties and independents. If no majority can be formed then the Governor-General will call an election. Remember though the speaker is a Labor candidate so Labor would try to get one of the LNP MPs or even Bob Katter or the independent WA National to become speaker so as to maintain a working majority.
Thanks for clearing that up MT. So I guess it all depends on who dies or resigns. But going by the majorities opinion, carbon tax aside, the Labor government is highly unpopular at this moment in time. :thumbsup
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Labor is tied to Gillard as the Independents have said they will cross the floor if there is another leadership change within the life of this parliment. FACT.
Libs are way in front of Labor in the polls because of the scare campaign and lies being told by Abbott. FACT
Wake up and smell the coffee.
:lol
65, do you know what the word "fact" means? :rollin :wallywink
Your comments are nothing more than "opinion" and that is a FACT! Nobody has to listen to what Abbott says to form the current "opinion" that the Government is a total shambles.
NBN, Asylum Seekers (Malaysian Solution :lol), Pink Bats.... The list goes on and on. :banghead
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My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money.
I don't think anyone actually likes taxes but we have to have them
Serious question if they got rid various taxes would you be prepared to give up (or give back) all the govt benefits/allowances that you (I am assuming you have kids) currently get?
Taxes go, benefits go, first home buyers grants go
Prepared to give all those things up?
I understand taxes WP I just dont like new taxes that are based around deception.
So you won't be voting for any major party at the next election? The Libs have their "direct action" tax on each and every household.
I understand what tax is for. I just don't like new taxes especially when they're base on lies.
I've paid tax all my working life. I've never been out of a job and I still pay taxes.
I've voted Labor most of my working life. But I'll NEVER vote for them
EVER again. FACT.
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To ALL Julia lovers: (MT, WP, 65) etc.
It's seems one of the Julias wanted to adopt the Coalition plan without a "carbon tax or an ETS".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914)
... That is until she went to bed with the greens. And now her left wing socialist or Communist personality seems to be what we are seeing on a regular basis. Until she developes another personality.
She should change her name to Cybill.
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To ALL Julia lovers: (MT, WP, 65) etc.
It's seems one of the Julias wanted to adopt the Coalition plan without a "carbon tax or an ETS".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914)
... That is until she went to bed with the greens. And now her left wing socialist or Communist personality seems to be what we are seeing on a regular basis. Until she developes another personality.
She should change her name to Cybill.
That would be "Sybil" not "Cybill".
Typical of a right wing Lib, can't get your facts right.
:lol
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To ALL Julia lovers: (MT, WP, 65) etc.
It's seems one of the Julias wanted to adopt the Coalition plan without a "carbon tax or an ETS".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914)
... That is until she went to bed with the greens. And now her left wing socialist or Communist personality seems to be what we are seeing on a regular basis. Until she developes another personality.
She should change her name to Cybill.
Was this before or after Tony was in favour of an emissions trading scheme or when he suggested "a nice simple tax" on carbon was the way to go....
They all flip flop Tigra.... constantly ...every single one of them
And BTW I will never ever vote Liberal while Tony Abbot is the leader of the Liberal party, such is my disdain and and lack of respect for the man... :thumbsup
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To ALL Julia lovers: (MT, WP, 65) etc.
It's seems one of the Julias wanted to adopt the Coalition plan without a "carbon tax or an ETS".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914)
... That is until she went to bed with the greens. And now her left wing socialist or Communist personality seems to be what we are seeing on a regular basis. Until she developes another personality.
She should change her name to Cybill.
That would be "Sybil" not "Cybill".
Typical of a right wing Lib, can't get your facts right.
:lol
how is getting the spelling wrong on a name of a movie relate to facts.
Or are you offended I used your boyfriends name?
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To ALL Julia lovers: (MT, WP, 65) etc.
It's seems one of the Julias wanted to adopt the Coalition plan without a "carbon tax or an ETS".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914)
... That is until she went to bed with the greens. And now her left wing socialist or Communist personality seems to be what we are seeing on a regular basis. Until she developes another personality.
She should change her name to Cybill.
That would be "Sybil" not "Cybill".
Typical of a right wing Lib, can't get your facts right.
:lol
how is getting the spelling wrong on a name of a movie relate to facts.
Or are you offended I used your boyfriends name?
Oh dear we are getting desperate, resorting to abuse and such hurtful abuse as well.
:lol
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To ALL Julia lovers: (MT, WP, 65) etc.
It's seems one of the Julias wanted to adopt the Coalition plan without a "carbon tax or an ETS".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914)
... That is until she went to bed with the greens. And now her left wing socialist or Communist personality seems to be what we are seeing on a regular basis. Until she developes another personality.
She should change her name to Cybill.
That would be "Sybil" not "Cybill".
Typical of a right wing Lib, can't get your facts right.
:lol
how is getting the spelling wrong on a name of a movie relate to facts.
Or are you offended I used your boyfriends name?
Oh dear we are getting desperate, resorting to abuse and such hurtful abuse as well.
:lol
I think criticising the spelling of cybil/Sybil was the most childish thing I've read on this thread. So I retaliated. Sorry if I offended you.
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To ALL Julia lovers: (MT, WP, 65) etc.
It's seems one of the Julias wanted to adopt the Coalition plan without a "carbon tax or an ETS".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-25/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-scheme-report/2808914)
... That is until she went to bed with the greens. And now her left wing socialist or Communist personality seems to be what we are seeing on a regular basis. Until she developes another personality.
She should change her name to Cybill.
That would be "Sybil" not "Cybill".
Typical of a right wing Lib, can't get your facts right.
:lol
how is getting the spelling wrong on a name of a movie relate to facts.
Or are you offended I used your boyfriends name?
Oh dear we are getting desperate, resorting to abuse and such hurtful abuse as well.
:lol
I think criticising the spelling of cybil/Sybil was the most childish thing I've read on this thread. So I retaliated. Sorry if I offended you.
All good.
Just remember all politicans are political bastards at the best of times.
I just don't like the scare campaign being waged by Abbott.
Most of all hate the fact that so many are getting sucked in and so many are clearly just trying to look after their own interests.
How about thinking of the grandchildren and what sort of world we might be leaving them.
(end of tree-hugging hippy rant)
:cheers
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How about thinking of the grandchildren and what sort of world we might be leaving them.
(end of tree-hugging hippy rant)
:cheers
65, The Gillard Government has already created an eternal legacy for our Grandchildren....Debt! :rollin Oh and a comedy show that we will see reruns of for years to come. :lol
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65, The Gillard Government has already created an eternal legacy for our Grandchildren....Debt! :rollin Oh and a comedy show that we will see reruns of for years to come. :lol
Debt.
Ha!
More Abbott lies.
:rollin
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
There you go.
:thumbsup
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
There you go.
:thumbsup
glad you agree :laugh:
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
:cheers :thumbsup :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
So why is Australia ranked as one of the top economies (as in strongest) in the word right at the moment? ......
When we have so many countires on the verge of bankruptcy with their out of control debt eg Greece & USA ?
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
So why is Australia ranked as one of the top economies (as in strongest) in the word right at the moment? ......
When we have so many countires on the verge of bankruptcy with their out of control debt eg Greece & USA ?
What amazes me is they think Abbott could do a better job.
:help
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
So why is Australia ranked as one of the top economies (as in strongest) in the word right at the moment? ......
When we have so many countires on the verge of bankruptcy with their out of control debt eg Greece & USA ?
wake up WP. Do you truly think it has anything to do with this government fiscal management that we are doing so well? Absolutely nothing to do with the mining boom?
What state did the former government leave the economy in?
What is the current deficit?
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wake up WP. Do you truly think it has anything to do with this government fiscal management that we are doing so well? Absolutely nothing to do with the mining boom?
:rollin :rollin :rollin :lol
I knew the immediate response would be the mining boom and yes it has no doubt been beneficial to our economy.
But are other countries' economies up the creek because they don't have a mining boom or because they have incompetent govts with with equally incompetent fiscal management? ::)
As is the way in the world these days when things are "good" it never has anything to do with the govts but things are crap it's always the fault of the Govt.....
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Regarding the previous govt I think it's been well documented that the currenct account deficit at the time was on the up because the last Costello budget was one of higher spending rather than one of his traditional types based on spending what we earned. IIRC there was an election coming up - so that might expalin it. ;D
Very good Treasurer was Costello, gutless as a perspective leader because he wouldn't challenge Howard when he should have but as a Treasurer he was outstanding IMHO. Didn't agree with the handouts he bought in but he was good at delivering good finanacial management
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What state did the former government leave the economy in?
It left Australia with a strong economy. Even Howard admitted when he became PM in 1996 the economy he inherited was strong. Compare that to the mess Australia was left in economically by the Fraser Liberal Government in 1982-83.
What is the current deficit?
Small compared to other developed countries.
Of course people are free to move to Europe and America if they believe Australia is in such bad shape :lol.
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What state did the former government leave the economy in?
It left Australia with a strong economy. Even Howard admitted when he became PM in 1996 the economy he inherited was strong. Compare that to the mess Australia was left in economically by the Fraser Liberal Government in 1982-83.
What is the current deficit?
Small compared to other developed countries.
Of course people are free to move to Europe and America if they believe Australia is in such bad shape :lol.
why don't you use all your stats when answering this question?
Atleast WP can give some credit to the former government all you can do is mention the economy that Howard took over. Wasn't there ANYTHING you didn't like about hawke or keating? How did Kevin '07 perform in your opinion? And Finally, how is Julia doing?
I would like to hear your opinions on these if that's ok.
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
So why is Australia ranked as one of the top economies (as in strongest) in the word right at the moment? ......
When we have so many countires on the verge of bankruptcy with their out of control debt eg Greece & USA ?
Greece is stuffed for a number of reasons first over the last 30 years in Greece the Socialists have been in control for 22 years of that time and they have engaged in profligate policies taking on debt and never having the view that they would need to pay it back. The Greeks primarily lost there manufacturing in WW2 where the Germans decimated industry and never paid compensation which is still due for war crimes committed during that time, the last 3 generations of greek citizens have developed an anti tax philosophu which means they look for every single way possible to illegally not pay their tax. The tourist industry which kept Greece alive has a large amount of bad types who rip off tourists and tarnish the industry. The socialists in Greece have also provided support to illegal immigration because they wanted cheap workers. Sadly there are now 2 million in Greece who are committing the worst of crimes and are loking to establish anti christian enclaves in Greece for there own purposes. That is who the socialists are! A disaster for Greece and a disaster for Australia in the making.
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Further to this, one of my besties is a Greek Aussie who has been back to the (his) homeland.
The no 1 thing that struck him is how there is such an inherent poor work ethic there. Far and away worse than the Aussie dole bludger/sicky taker culture.
Assuming he's right, it goes to show that if a country is not interested in bettering itself, it's going to struggle.
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Greece is stuffed for a number of reasons first over the last 30 years in Greece the Socialists have been in control for 22 years of that time and they have engaged in profligate policies taking on debt and never having the view that they would need to pay it back. The Greeks primarily lost there manufacturing in WW2 where the Germans decimated industry and never paid compensation which is still due for war crimes committed during that time, the last 3 generations of greek citizens have developed an anti tax philosophu which means they look for every single way possible to illegally not pay their tax. The tourist industry which kept Greece alive has a large amount of bad types who rip off tourists and tarnish the industry. The socialists in Greece have also provided support to illegal immigration because they wanted cheap workers. Sadly there are now 2 million in Greece who are committing the worst of crimes and are loking to establish anti christian enclaves in Greece for there own purposes. That is who the socialists are! A disaster for Greece and a disaster for Australia in the making.
Beware of the Reds under the Beds.
Now where is that domino theory again?
:lol
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COMMIES = OUT ;D
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How can you trust a man who says he can only be trusted if he puts it in writing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk&feature=related
:lol
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:lol
see the eel squirm.
i've got no time for howard, but he was cunning enough not to ever have to squirm in an interview with obrien like that.
:lol
what is realy scary is that he is the alternative prime minister. we are stuffed. It's like the south park show where they had to vote between a poo sandwich and a douche bag.
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GST anyone?
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:lol
see the eel squirm.
i've got no time for howard, but he was cunning enough not to ever have to squirm in an interview with obrien like that.
:lol
what is realy scary is that he is the alternative prime minister. we are stuffed. It's like the south park show where they had to vote between a poo sandwich and a douche bag.
That was one of my fav episodes Al! Ahhh....the memories...
(http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/imgblog/b03d7755-45c0-418c-a0d7-50f2754fc185-f2cdf95c-e6dd-4c64-b684-1c8ee410f226.jpg)
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Just watching the 5pm news, jeez, Turnbull keeps twisting the knife on Abbott.
If he ousts him you can guarantee a Liberal landslide at the next election.
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why don't you use all your stats when answering this question?
Off the top of my head our net national debt is 6.7% of GDP - $68 billion/$1.23 trillion.
The USA, UK and France's is at least around 70% :-X if not higher or heading higher. The US Congress is debating right now about lifting their debt ceiling to pay their bills and to try to stimulate their economy. Greece last year was at 142% so that's why they are in the proverbial. Japan was/is at 117%. As I said our debt is small compared to other developed economies.
http://www.economywatch.com/economic-statistics/economic-indicators/General_Government_Net_Debt_Percentage_GDP/
I agree with WP about Costello. I have said numerous times previously that Australia has had good economic management since 1983.
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Conservative British PM backs Gillard over Abbott on carbon
JULIA Gillard's bid to impose a carbon tax in Australia has won a glowing endorsement from British Prime Minister and Conservative Party leader David Cameron, undercutting a fierce campaign against the scheme by his conservative ally, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/british-pm-backs-gillard-over-abbott-on-carbon-20110730-1i5qj.html#ixzz1TdRHD0az
:thumbsup
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Is David Cameron gonna implement a carbon tax in his country or is he just gonna stand by and take advantage of Australian companies being placed at an international disadvantage. Of course he supports an Australian Carbon Tax its gonna make his country a hell of alot more competitive in world markets than we are, but you and the rest of the socialists dont care about people losing their jobs or there homes because they wont be able to pay their mortgages. The ALP makes me sick!
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Is David Cameron gonna implement a carbon tax in his country or is he just gonna stand by and take advantage of Australian companies being placed at an international disadvantage. Of course he supports an Australian Carbon Tax its gonna make his country a hell of alot more competitive in world markets than we are, but you and the rest of the socialists dont care about people losing their jobs or there homes because they wont be able to pay their mortgages. The ALP makes me sick!
And you make me quite sad.
Poor deluded little man. You shouldn't believe everything that comes out of Uncle Tony's mouth.
:lol
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Is David Cameron gonna implement a carbon tax in his country or is he just gonna stand by and take advantage of Australian companies being placed at an international disadvantage. Of course he supports an Australian Carbon Tax its gonna make his country a hell of alot more competitive in world markets than we are, but you and the rest of the socialists dont care about people losing their jobs or there homes because they wont be able to pay their mortgages. The ALP makes me sick!
And you make me quite sad.
Poor deluded little man. You shouldn't believe everything that comes out of Uncle Tony's mouth.
:lol
why dont you answer my post properly? or are you incapable of doing so? :lol
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And whilst your defending your socialist agenda and the socialists tell us why the ALP is attacking poor old disabled pensioners. Isnt it enough that these people are sick or unwell to work? Why attack the infirm? What a disgrace. Another Labor joke. If Labor was a dog you'd put it down. Its finished and on its last legs.
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And whilst your defending your socialist agenda and the socialists tell us why the ALP is attacking poor old disabled pensioners. Isnt it enough that these people are sick or unwell to work? Why attack the infirm? What a disgrace. Another Labor joke. If Labor was a dog you'd put it down. Its finished and on its last legs.
:lol
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Is David Cameron gonna implement a carbon tax in his country ...
Europe already has a ETS and has had one since 2005 from memory. That's 27 nations including the UK with Conservative governments in control in the larger countries such as Britain, France and Germany. So much for the conspiracy theories about it all being a socialist plot :wallywink. Only in the US and their Tea Party copycats in Australia do pollies carry on with this left vs right political garbage.
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Is David Cameron gonna implement a carbon tax in his country ...
Europe already has a ETS and has had one since 2005 from memory. That's 27 nations including the UK with Conservative governments in control in the larger countries such as Britain, France and Germany. So much for the conspiracy theories about it all being a socialist plot :wallywink. Only in the US and their Tea Party copycats in Australia do pollies carry on with this left vs right political garbage.
If Europe has an ETS then no one knows anything about it in countries like Spain, Greece, Italy et al. Its all rubbish IMHO.
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Is David Cameron gonna implement a carbon tax in his country ...
Europe already has a ETS and has had one since 2005 from memory. That's 27 nations including the UK with Conservative governments in control in the larger countries such as Britain, France and Germany. So much for the conspiracy theories about it all being a socialist plot :wallywink. Only in the US and their Tea Party copycats in Australia do pollies carry on with this left vs right political garbage.
If Europe has an ETS then no one knows anything about it in countries like Spain, Greece, Italy et al. Its all rubbish IMHO.
The EU Emissions Trading System (EU ETS) is one of the key policies introduced by the European Union (EU) to help meet its greenhouse gas emissions target of 8% below 1990 levels under the Kyoto Protocol.
A Europe-wide cap and trade scheme, it started in 2005 and is the first of its kind.
http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/emissions/eu_ets/eu_ets.aspx
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And whilst your defending your socialist agenda and the socialists tell us why the ALP is attacking poor old disabled pensioners. Isnt it enough that these people are sick or unwell to work? Why attack the infirm? What a disgrace. Another Labor joke. If Labor was a dog you'd put it down. Its finished and on its last legs.
What are you talking about Flagman - I've been crook the last 4 days and not really follwoing current events apart from the Dees implosion ;D
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Climate change cage match: Abbott debates Abbott
http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/09/climate-change-cage-match-abbott-debates-abbott/
Someone needs to make up his mind ;D
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/dvalderr/prostitue.jpg)
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THIS labor government has been disastrous. The worst government in the history of mankind in any country. A bunch of closet commies are running the show and running our great country into the ground. What a disgrace.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/dvalderr/prostitue.jpg)
You really aren't talking about the Prime Minister, are you?
:help
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couldnt be. she doesnt even look clean
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More from Turnbull
"Opposition frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull has hit out against climate change sceptics on his side of politics, saying there has been a "war on science" that contradicts common sense."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-03/turnbull-decries-war-on-climate-science/2823216
The Liberal Party are about to self destruct. They have had enough of Abbott and his goons spouting blatant lies.
:lol
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"Former Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull has urged his party to stop listening to climate change deniers, calling on members to defend the science of climate change and pledge to reduce Australia's emissions."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/turnbull-climate-speech/2805536
The word I here is that he will cross the floor rather than allow Tony Abbott to become Prime Minister.
He is apparently not alone within the Liberal party with his disatisfaction with Tony A.
:thumbsup
More from Turnbull
"Opposition frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull has hit out against climate change sceptics on his side of politics, saying there has been a "war on science" that contradicts common sense."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-03/turnbull-decries-war-on-climate-science/2823216
The Liberal Party are about to self destruct. They have had enough of Abbott and his goons spouting blatant lies.
:lol
Well pull my string and call me Woody if this isn't a "groundhog day" post! :sleep :sleep
65 do you have a bit of a "Man crush" on one Malcolm Turnbull or are you just a huge fan of watching Punxsutawny Phil repeatedly going in and out of his tree hole?
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Well pull my string and call me Woody if this isn't a "groundhog day" post! :sleep :sleep
65 do you have a bit of a "Man crush" on one Malcolm Turnbull or are you just a huge fan of watching Punxsutawny Phil repeatedly going in and out of his tree hole?
He would make a great Labor Prime Minister.
And if he becomes leader of the opposition Liberal Party I would consider strongly voting for them.
It's just Abbott (the lying power hungry prick) that I hate.
:lol
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Mal would bring on the Republic. :pray
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Well pull my string and call me Woody if this isn't a "groundhog day" post! :sleep :sleep
65 do you have a bit of a "Man crush" on one Malcolm Turnbull or are you just a huge fan of watching Punxsutawny Phil repeatedly going in and out of his tree hole?
He would make a great Labor Prime Minister.
And if he becomes leader of the opposition Liberal Party I would consider strongly voting for them.
It's just Abbott (the lying power hungry prick) that I hate.
:lol
65' Will you stop being so vague and tell me how you really feel about Abbott! :lol
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Rio Tinto posts $7.1b half-year profit.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-04/rio-tinto-posts-record-profit/2824810
Thats 7.1 billion dollars profit for half a year. And people say we won't have a mining industry because of the Carbon tax and the Resources tax.
:lol
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Rio Tinto posts $7.1b half-year profit.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-04/rio-tinto-posts-record-profit/2824810
Thats 7.1 billion dollars profit for half a year. And people say we won't have a mining industry because of the Carbon tax and the Resources tax.
:lol
More Labor Lies. Rio Tinto is a global operator. The 7.1 billion doesnt refer to Australian production only. Labor is full of spin and full of crap. Labor is trying to stuff up a decent industry that is keeping Australia economically strong. What a joke.
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Rio Tinto posts $7.1b half-year profit.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-04/rio-tinto-posts-record-profit/2824810
Thats 7.1 billion dollars profit for half a year. And people say we won't have a mining industry because of the Carbon tax and the Resources tax.
:lol
More Labor Lies. Rio Tinto is a global operator. The 7.1 billion doesnt refer to Australian production only. Labor is full of spin and full of crap. Labor is trying to stuff up a decent industry that is keeping Australia economically strong. What a joke.
rubbish
and I quote from the same article (similar info can be found on the Rio Tinto site)
http://www.riotintoironore.com/ENG/media/38_media_releases_2243.asp
"The company says it is continuing to rapidly expand its operations, with capital expenditure of $4.8 billion, much of it going towards an expansion of its Pilbara iron ore production to 283 million tonnes a year."
This multi-national has enough faith in Australia that it going to spend most (their words "much of") $4.8 billion expanding their operations in the Pilbara.
The predictions of doom for our mining sector are blatant lies by Abbott and his negativity goons.
Wake up and smell the coffee FFS.
:lol
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Nick Minchin says Malcolm Turnbull has only himself to blame for losing leadership
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/nick-minchin-says-malcolm-turnbull-has-only-himself-to-blame-for-losing-leadership/story-fn59niix-1226108818379
More infighting within the Liberal ranks.
Expect a showdown at some stage that will split the party wide open. The moderates are sick of Abbott.
:cuddles :nope
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Good onya 65! Keep the bastard honest :thumbsup
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EU in trouble. Germany France can't afford to bail out everyone so Italy better get some quick reforms through. USA could very well have a double dip recession.
Not the best time to be introducing a new tax and don't repeat labor lines that we need certainty of a carbon tax for our economy. Cause at the moment our economy needs to be taxed less and given more confidence. Something Labor have/will never understand or do.
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EU in trouble. Germany France can't afford to bail out everyone so Italy better get some quick reforms through. USA could very well have a double dip recession.
Not the best time to be introducing a new tax and don't repeat labor lines that we need certainty of a carbon tax for our economy. Cause at the moment our economy needs to be taxed less and given more confidence. Something Labor have/will never understand or do.
What you mean in fat cat business people need "to be taxed less and given more confidence."
:lol
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EU in trouble. Germany France can't afford to bail out everyone so Italy better get some quick reforms through. USA could very well have a double dip recession.
Not the best time to be introducing a new tax and don't repeat labor lines that we need certainty of a carbon tax for our economy. Cause at the moment our economy needs to be taxed less and given more confidence. Something Labor have/will never understand or do.
What you mean in fat cat business people need "to be taxed less and given more confidence."
:lol
More money business makes more reinvesting they can do into there product and expand.
Retailers are struggling at the moment. Putting a new tax on every one (like labor love to do) won't help them. Thats just a fact. More money that goes from peoples wallets to government is less money that goes into the private sector that creates jobs.
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EU in trouble. Germany France can't afford to bail out everyone so Italy better get some quick reforms through. USA could very well have a double dip recession.
Not the best time to be introducing a new tax and don't repeat labor lines that we need certainty of a carbon tax for our economy. Cause at the moment our economy needs to be taxed less and given more confidence. Something Labor have/will never understand or do.
What you mean in fat cat business people need "to be taxed less and given more confidence."
:lol
Our economy is being decimated by Labor on top of other international concerns. Labor isnt helping our situation. You see the results by what happened today on the ASX and theres a whole heap of other pointers like the retail industry and cost of living issues which are impacting Australians. Lack of confidence is hurting our economy and today everyones super got smashed as just one result of whats going on.
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EU in trouble. Germany France can't afford to bail out everyone so Italy better get some quick reforms through. USA could very well have a double dip recession.
Not the best time to be introducing a new tax and don't repeat labor lines that we need certainty of a carbon tax for our economy. Cause at the moment our economy needs to be taxed less and given more confidence. Something Labor have/will never understand or do.
As the old saying goes if America sneezes then everyone else catches a cold. Thankfully the US jobs data overnight showed some positive news.
Anyway Abbott and the Libs are in favour of higher taxes themselves as they want to additionally tax every household via their "direct action" tax. Remember also Abbott at the last election wanted to tax business with a levy to pay for his paid maternity leave plan. Not to mention the previous Government was a increasingly high taxing government just as interest rates were higher then than now.
Commonwealth Government Taxation Revenue
(http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/be4aa82cd8cf7f07ca2570d60018da27/62e3117536ee35f3ca256fe7007be7b7/Body/0.53D4!OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif)
Source: ABS (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/5506.0Main%20Features22009-10?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=5506.0&issue=2009-10&num=&view=)
I actually agree tiger101 that taxes could be less but unless those in the mortgage belts are willing to give up all the middle class welfare they are receiving then they can't complain about taxes as the money has to come from somewhere. They can't have it both ways.
As for the retail sector - it hurts them that online shopping especially with a high Aussie dollar means Aussies no longer have to just accept goods in local retail stores costing far more than they do overseas. The habits of consumers and the times they are a changin'!
What you mean in fat cat business people need "to be taxed less and given more confidence."
:lol
Yep like crybabies Reinhart and Forrest trying to make out them having a combined personal wealth of $16 billion somehow makes the average Aussie better off :whistle. Gina's made most of her $10b under the current Government's reign and Forbes claims she'll eventually end up with $100b :o.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8600419/Australian-woman-predicted-to-become-worlds-richest-person.html
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I actually agree tiger101 that taxes could be less but unless those in the mortgage belts are willing to give up all the middle class welfare they are receiving then they can't complain about taxes as the money has to come from somewhere. They can't have it both ways.
We currently have a good balance of taxes currently in my opinion. What we dont need is this new carbon tax that will just add extra welfare(compensation).
By the way S&P downgraded America from triple A rating. Which is no surprise but not good news.
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It seems from readin this thread that some of you think any form of taxation is wrong.
Discuss
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It seems from readin this thread that some of you think any form of taxation is wrong.
Discuss
Discuss?
Thought you had given up the teaching game?
:cheers
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It seems from readin this thread that some of you think any form of taxation is wrong.
Discuss
Discuss?
Thought you had given up the teaching game?
:cheers
lol, i still mark a few papers here and there
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It seems from readin this thread that some of you think any form of taxation is wrong.
Discuss
There is times to reform the hole tax system which I fully support.
I think we need a full system reform of the tax system. But it's probably not the best time to do that currently when confidence to shot to pieces and sectors of the economy outside of minerals are struggling. But Labor aren't addressing either of these problems all there doing is creating a new tax that will drive up cost of living and no one can deny that.
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It seems from readin this thread that some of you think any form of taxation is wrong.
Discuss
There is times to reform the hole tax system which I fully support.
I think we need a full system reform of the tax system. But it's probably not the best time to do that currently when confidence to shot to pieces and sectors of the economy outside of minerals are struggling. But Labor aren't addressing either of these problems all there doing is creating a new tax that will drive up cost of living and no one can deny that.
:lol
Love your persistence.
One question if things are so dire where is Tony Rabbitt this week?
:thumbsup
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It seems from readin this thread that some of you think any form of taxation is wrong.
Discuss
There is times to reform the hole tax system which I fully support.
I think we need a full system reform of the tax system. But it's probably not the best time to do that currently when confidence to shot to pieces and sectors of the economy outside of minerals are struggling. But Labor aren't addressing either of these problems all there doing is creating a new tax that will drive up cost of living and no one can deny that.
:lol
Love your persistence.
One question if things are so dire where is Tony Rabbitt this week?
:thumbsup
On holidays like most students/workers/politicians have.
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It seems from readin this thread that some of you think any form of taxation is wrong.
Discuss
There is times to reform the hole tax system which I fully support.
I think we need a full system reform of the tax system. But it's probably not the best time to do that currently when confidence to shot to pieces and sectors of the economy outside of minerals are struggling. But Labor aren't addressing either of these problems all there doing is creating a new tax that will drive up cost of living and no one can deny that.
:lol
Love your persistence.
One question if things are so dire where is Tony Rabbitt this week?
:thumbsup
On holidays like most students/workers/politicians have.
The country can't be too much up the creek then, eh?
:thumbsup
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It seems from readin this thread that some of you think any form of taxation is wrong.
Discuss
There is times to reform the hole tax system which I fully support.
I think we need a full system reform of the tax system. But it's probably not the best time to do that currently when confidence to shot to pieces and sectors of the economy outside of minerals are struggling. But Labor aren't addressing either of these problems all there doing is creating a new tax that will drive up cost of living and no one can deny that.
:lol
Love your persistence.
One question if things are so dire where is Tony Rabbitt this week?
:thumbsup
On holidays like most students/workers/politicians have.
The country can't be too much up the creek then, eh?
:thumbsup
You do know Gillard takes holidays and Swan fills in as PM like Bishop is filling in for Abbott currently while his on holidays don't you.
Just making sure that you unfairly don't discredit someone for taking the same amount of holidays as the person you support.
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You do know Gillard takes holidays and Swan fills in as PM like Bishop is filling in for Abbott currently while his on holidays don't you.
Just making sure that you unfairly don't discredit someone for taking the same amount of holidays as the person you support.
Good God, don't remind me, if Abbott is PM then Julie Bishop is a heartbeat away from the job.
Now that is scary.
:help
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You do know Gillard takes holidays and Swan fills in as PM like Bishop is filling in for Abbott currently while his on holidays don't you.
Just making sure that you unfairly don't discredit someone for taking the same amount of holidays as the person you support.
Good God, don't remind me, if Abbott is PM then Julie Bishop is a heartbeat away from the job.
Now that is scary.
:help
Swan is just as bad as Bishop so don't flatter your side of politics.
Swan is the most incompetent treasurer
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Swan has half a brain, not sure about Julie.
:lol
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Swan has half a brain, not sure about Julie.
:lol
By having both Bishop and Swan being on either side of parliament it sadly just shows the real lack of talent we have in there running the country.
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Swan has half a brain, not sure about Julie.
:lol
By having both Bishop and Swan being on either side of parliament it sadly just shows the real lack of talent we have in there running the country.
Too true.
All the really talented operators are getting paid heaps more than the PM to run businessses and work out how to minimise tax to increase profit for their shareholders.
:thumbsup
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The report says Australia is one of the few global economies in good health as investors brace themselves for further shocks after the weekend's historic downgrade of America's credit rating to AA-plus from AAA by Standard & Poor's.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/australia-in-good-shape-if-another-crisis-hits-says-imf-20110807-1ihre.html#ixzz1UNz2H3pL
And this is from the IMF not the Labor PR machine.
:thumbsup
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The report says Australia is one of the few global economies in good health as investors brace themselves for further shocks after the weekend's historic downgrade of America's credit rating to AA-plus from AAA by Standard & Poor's.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/australia-in-good-shape-if-another-crisis-hits-says-imf-20110807-1ihre.html#ixzz1UNz2H3pL
And this is from the IMF not the Labor PR machine.
:thumbsup
The IMF has been wrong plenty of times. . US growth is falling could very well go back into recession. If that happens Australia's growth outside of Mining exports to Asia will be under even more pressure.
Let's look at what our main trading partner is saying for a more true reflection of how this could be heading.
People's Daily, the main newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party, gave a bleak assessment of the potential consequences for China and other emerging economies.
"The lowering of the United States' long-term sovereign credit rating has sounded a warning bell for the international currency system dominated by the U.S. dollar," said economist Sun Lijian, writing in the paper.
The United States government may not be able to recover its top-grade credit score if its deficit continues to grow, Sun wrote in a brief commentary about the move.
"Yet the biggest victims may not be the United States itself, but other countries that have depended on external demand to amass national wealth -- be they Asian nations that depend on exporting goods or nations in Latin America and the Middle East, as well as Russia, that depend on exporting resources," he wrote.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/07/us-china-downgrade-idUSTRE77608120110807
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You do know Gillard takes holidays and Swan fills in as PM like Bishop is filling in for Abbott currently while his on holidays don't you.
Just making sure that you unfairly don't discredit someone for taking the same amount of holidays as the person you support.
Just to clarify... Julie Bishop is NOT Deputy Opposition Leader, that as per the coalition agreement that title goes to the leader of the Nats Mr Warren Truss who would be our Deputy PM id the Coalition were in power. Which is a scarier thought than the idea of Julie Bishop being 2IC
Julie Bidhop is simply the Deputy leader of the Libs.
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You do know Gillard takes holidays and Swan fills in as PM like Bishop is filling in for Abbott currently while his on holidays don't you.
Just making sure that you unfairly don't discredit someone for taking the same amount of holidays as the person you support.
Just to clarify... Julie Bishop is NOT Deputy Opposition Leader, that as per the coalition agreement that title goes to the leader of the Nats Mr Warren Truss who would be our Deputy PM id the Coalition were in power. Which is a scarier thought than the idea of Julie Bishop being 2IC
Julie Bidhop is simply the Deputy leader of the Libs.
End of the day though Liberal policy is made from idea's from its grass root members at state conferences and vigorous debate in cabinet meetings not by union hacks in back rooms of the ALP headquarters and if they don't get there own way they knife the leader.
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End of the day though Liberal policy is made from idea's from its grass root members at state conferences and vigorous debate in cabinet meetings not by union hacks in back rooms of the ALP headquarters and if they don't get there own way they knife the leader.
:lol
Yeah, right.
Grass root members making policy, who are you kidding?
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Markets are currently on a knifes edge. One wrong word by Swan or Gillard and we could see a sell off.
I fear its only a matter of time till Swan dribbles out the line of the carbon tax helping the markets. :banghead :banghead
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End of the day though Liberal policy is made from idea's from its grass root members at state conferences and vigorous debate in cabinet meetings not by union hacks in back rooms of the ALP headquarters and if they don't get there own way they knife the leader.
Julie doesn't knife the leader she flys on the coat tails of whoever is the leader of the day because she hasn't got the courage to stand up to be leader ...or perhaps she just relises her limitations ;D
She was deputy leader under Turnball and now Abbott
Markets are currently on a knifes edge. One wrong word by Swan or Gillard and we could see a sell off.
I fear its only a matter of time till Swan dribbles out the line of the carbon tax helping the markets. :banghead :banghead
Markets have bounced back a bit since this morning's panic attack ;D
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End of the day though Liberal policy is made from idea's from its grass root members at state conferences and vigorous debate in cabinet meetings not by union hacks in back rooms of the ALP headquarters and if they don't get there own way they knife the leader.
Julie doesn't knife the leader she flys on the coat tails of whoever is the leader of the day because she hasn't got the courage to stand up to be leader ...or perhaps she just relises her limitations ;D
She was deputy leader under Turnball and now Abbott
I see that ALP supports don't even attempt to stick up for the way they treat there leaders when they don't agree with union power brokers.
Markets are currently on a knifes edge. One wrong word by Swan or Gillard and we could see a sell off.
I fear its only a matter of time till Swan dribbles out the line of the carbon tax helping the markets. :banghead :banghead
Markets have bounced back a bit since this morning's panic attack ;D
AUD getting smashed. Markets are now down 2.66% low of the day
Edited to correct quote
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I see that ALP supports don't even attempt to stick up for the way they treat there leaders when they don't agree with union power brokers.
Sorry but you've lost me completely with this comment - what are you saying exactly :-\
Markets are currently on a knifes edge. One wrong word by Swan or Gillard and we could see a sell off.
I fear its only a matter of time till Swan dribbles out the line of the carbon tax helping the markets. :banghead :banghead
Markets have bounced back a bit since this morning's panic attack ;D
AUD getting smashed. Markets are now down 2.66% low of the day
Edited to correct quote
Yes just did another check - pounded, rebounded and now another whack
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Yes just did another check - pounded, rebounded and now another whack
Its worth jumping on a few shares at the moment though. Few bargains out there IMO. IMF has said AUD is 10-20% over valued.
"There is ample scope to cut the policy interest rate and provide liquidity support for banks," the IMF said in its annual health check of the Australian economy.
It said the Australian dollar AUD=D4 was overvalued somewhere between 10 and 20 percent
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/06/imf-australia-idUSN1E77503220110806
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Yes just did another check - pounded, rebounded and now another whack
Its worth jumping on a few shares at the moment though. Few bargains out there IMO. IMF has said AUD is 10-20% over valued.
"There is ample scope to cut the policy interest rate and provide liquidity support for banks," the IMF said in its annual health check of the Australian economy.
It said the Australian dollar AUD=D4 was overvalued somewhere between 10 and 20 percent
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/06/imf-australia-idUSN1E77503220110806
Typical Lib voter, happy to make a quick buck no matter the cost.
:lol
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Yes just did another check - pounded, rebounded and now another whack
Its worth jumping on a few shares at the moment though. Few bargains out there IMO. IMF has said AUD is 10-20% over valued.
"There is ample scope to cut the policy interest rate and provide liquidity support for banks," the IMF said in its annual health check of the Australian economy.
It said the Australian dollar AUD=D4 was overvalued somewhere between 10 and 20 percent
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/06/imf-australia-idUSN1E77503220110806
Typical Lib voter, happy to make a quick buck no matter the cost.
:lol
What are you on about? Im sure people who trade on the share market vote labor as well. Are you saying everyone that has super invested in shares are a lib voter? :scream Unbelievable.
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Its worth jumping on a few shares at the moment though. Few bargains out there IMO. IMF has said AUD is 10-20% over valued.
"There is ample scope to cut the policy interest rate and provide liquidity support for banks," the IMF said in its annual health check of the Australian economy.
It said the Australian dollar AUD=D4 was overvalued somewhere between 10 and 20 percent
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/06/imf-australia-idUSN1E77503220110806
Typical Lib voter, happy to make a quick buck no matter the cost.
:lol
What are you on about? Im sure people who trade on the share market vote labor as well. Are you saying everyone that has super invested in shares are a lib voter? :scream Unbelievable.
"jumping on a few shares at the moment " is hardly something that you can do with superannuation.
More lies and duplicity. (and yes I am aware of the tautology)
:bow
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"jumping on a few shares at the moment " is hardly something that you can do with superannuation.
More lies and duplicity. (and yes I am aware of the tautology)
:bow
No offense but your actually criticising your own side of supporters by saying only libs(I can only guess because you mean they have more financial intellect because there is no other reason why you would say it)invest in shares when the market has been down and the bargains are about. Also I'll just like to state that trading shares is a legal practise.
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"jumping on a few shares at the moment " is hardly something that you can do with superannuation.
More lies and duplicity. (and yes I am aware of the tautology)
:bow
No offense but your actually criticising your own side of supporters by saying only libs(I can only guess because you mean they have more financial intellect because there is no other reason why you would say it)invest in shares when the market has been down and the bargains are about. Also I'll just like to state that trading shares is a legal practise.
You really have no idea but the common man do you?
:wallywink
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"jumping on a few shares at the moment " is hardly something that you can do with superannuation.
More lies and duplicity. (and yes I am aware of the tautology)
:bow
No offense but your actually criticising your own side of supporters by saying only libs(I can only guess because you mean they have more financial intellect because there is no other reason why you would say it)invest in shares when the market has been down and the bargains are about. Also I'll just like to state that trading shares is a legal practise.
You really have no idea but the common man do you?
:wallywink
Well I think the common person like's buying bargains but apparently according to you only lib voters buy bargains.
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"jumping on a few shares at the moment " is hardly something that you can do with superannuation.
More lies and duplicity. (and yes I am aware of the tautology)
:bow
No offense but your actually criticising your own side of supporters by saying only libs(I can only guess because you mean they have more financial intellect because there is no other reason why you would say it)invest in shares when the market has been down and the bargains are about. Also I'll just like to state that trading shares is a legal practise.
You really have no idea but the common man do you?
:wallywink
Well I think the common person like's buying bargains but apparently according to you only lib voters buy bargains.
:lol
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I'm not evening going to keep on asking what you ment by the comment because I don't even think you do. Seeing how you won't explain what you ment by saying lib voters are out to make money. I would of thought everyone is out to make money isn't that the one of the main foundations of union's these days to make sure employee's make the most they can.
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I'm not evening going to keep on asking what you ment by the comment because I don't even think you do. Seeing how you won't explain what you ment by saying lib voters are out to make money. I would of thought everyone is out to make money isn't that the one of the main foundations of union's these days to make sure employee's make the most they can.
Simply put (and yes I am a simple man)
Labor voters are salt of the earth working class citzens, faced with a global crisis they think "will I be able to feed the kids".
Liberal voters are business people who just want to make money out of other people's misfortune.
Labor voters can't afford shares whereas liberal voters first thought while being faced with a global crisis is "how can I make money out of this"
There you go a couple of broad sweeping generalisations for you to get stuck into.
:cheers
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I'm not evening going to keep on asking what you ment by the comment because I don't even think you do. Seeing how you won't explain what you ment by saying lib voters are out to make money. I would of thought everyone is out to make money isn't that the one of the main foundations of union's these days to make sure employee's make the most they can.
Simply put (and yes I am a simple man)
Labor voters are salt of the earth working class citzens, faced with a global crisis they think "will I be able to feed the kids".
Liberal voters are business people who just want to make money out of other people's misfortune.
Labor voters can't afford shares whereas liberal voters first thought while being faced with a global crisis is "how can I make money out of this"
There you go a couple of broad sweeping generalisations for you to get stuck into.
:cheers
What a load of rubbish. Sadly it just shows your ignorance and naivety. I can tell you now liberal votes do care about feeding there kids just as much as any one. Liberals was in power for over a decade less then 4 years ago. There in power in 3 states across this country. Currently leading in the polls federally.
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I'm not evening going to keep on asking what you ment by the comment because I don't even think you do. Seeing how you won't explain what you ment by saying lib voters are out to make money. I would of thought everyone is out to make money isn't that the one of the main foundations of union's these days to make sure employee's make the most they can.
Simply put (and yes I am a simple man)
Labor voters are salt of the earth working class citzens, faced with a global crisis they think "will I be able to feed the kids".
Liberal voters are business people who just want to make money out of other people's misfortune.
Labor voters can't afford shares whereas liberal voters first thought while being faced with a global crisis is "how can I make money out of this"
There you go a couple of broad sweeping generalisations for you to get stuck into.
:cheers
Currently leading in the polls federally.
Good point there.
They are currently leading the polls.
Pity the election is still more than two years away.
:lol
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We are in the middle of a major financial meltdown and where is Mr Abbott again?
That's right, he is on holidays.
Good luck to him, way to get your priorities right.
:thumbsup
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We are in the middle of a major financial meltdown and where is Mr Abbott again?
That's right, he is on holidays.
Good luck to him, way to get your priorities right.
:thumbsup
I think everybody knows my disdain for Abbott but seriously what exactly do you think he could do if he was here ::) ::)
Same applies to the govt - what can they do exactly right now? The share market is not run by the govt or opposition
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I think everybody knows my disdain for Abbott but seriously what exactly do you think he could do if he was here ::) ::)
Same applies to the govt - what can they do exactly right now? The share market is not run by the govt or opposition
I think he would blame the crisis on the Gillard government and it's big new toxic tax.
and I have no doubt he would talk about stopping the boats in the same sentence.
I miss the evil little man.
:thumbsup
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We are in the middle of a major financial meltdown and where is Mr Abbott again?
That's right, he is on holidays.
Good luck to him, way to get your priorities right.
:thumbsup
What do you think WP do you agree with 1965 that lib voters don't care about feeding there family they rather make a quick dollar instead.
False beliefs like that only discredits any creditability of any past or future comment they make on politics IMO.
I think everybody knows my disdain for Abbott but seriously what exactly do you think he could do if he was here ::) ::)
Same applies to the govt - what can they do exactly right now? The share market is not run by the govt or opposition
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What do you think WP do you agree with 1965 that lib voters don't care about feeding there family they rather make a quick dollar instead.
False beliefs like that only discredits any creditability of any past or future comment they make on politics IMO.
Problems with your quoting tiger101
I think the above is your question tiger101 - am I making the right assumption?
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What do you think WP do you agree with 1965 that lib voters don't care about feeding there family they rather make a quick dollar instead.
False beliefs like that only discredits any creditability of any past or future comment they make on politics IMO.
Problems with your quoting tiger101
I think the above is your question tiger101 - am I making the right assumption?
i think tiger101 needs to lighten up a little.
I did end my rant with "There you go a couple of broad sweeping generalisations for you to get stuck into."
Surely this was an acknowledgement of the absurdity of what I was saying.
:cheers
PS Abbott is still a power hungry lying SOB. :thumbsup
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Obviously there is no talking you left supporters out of your love for higher taxes. I think we will all have to agree to disagree on how taxes hurt the economy(my argument) and how rich people/company's need to be stripped of there wealth or leave the country in the name of saving the environment(your argument)
Personally I see no difference in the carbon someone puts out that is on a centre link money to a person who earns 100,000 a year.
I've seen people that live solely off the government money drive around in old v8's which would put out more emissions then someone that works and owns a corolla.
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Gillards policies are contributing to the decimation of the australian financial markets. Instead of withdrawing the resources rent tax and the carbon tax to give the markets some positivity which would help save thousands of dollars and in some cases tens of thousands of dollars from everyones superannuation accounts, Gillard sits on her arse doing nothing. Shes not a Prime Ministers backside. There wont be another female Prime Minister in Australia for at least 100 years because of Gillard. The worst Prime Minister in our great nations history.
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I'm not evening going to keep on asking what you ment by the comment because I don't even think you do. Seeing how you won't explain what you ment by saying lib voters are out to make money. I would of thought everyone is out to make money isn't that the one of the main foundations of union's these days to make sure employee's make the most they can.
Simply put (and yes I am a simple man)
Labor voters are salt of the earth working class citzens, faced with a global crisis they think "will I be able to feed the kids".
Liberal voters are business people who just want to make money out of other people's misfortune.
Labor voters can't afford shares whereas liberal voters first thought while being faced with a global crisis is "how can I make money out of this"
There you go a couple of broad sweeping generalisations for you to get stuck into.
:cheers
These same ALP voters who are waiting for Gillards government at the next election with the baseball bats. Their going to desert the ALP in massive droves. Salt of the earth people they are but there not suckers for garbage and lies like the carbon tax. :cheers
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Gillards policies are contributing to the decimation of the australian financial markets. Instead of withdrawing the resources rent tax and the carbon tax to give the markets some positivity which would help save thousands of dollars and in some cases tens of thousands of dollars from everyones superannuation accounts, Gillard sits on her behind doing nothing. Shes not a Prime Ministers backside. There wont be another female Prime Minister in Australia for at least 100 years because of Gillard. The worst Prime Minister in our great nations history.
So let get this right based on the above:
Monday: the market got pounded = Govt's fault
Tuesday: market got pounded and then rebounded strongly = govt's fault for the pounding right and the re-bounding is caused by what exactly who gets credit for that?
Wed: market makes gains = nothing to do with the govt right
Thursday: news out of Europe that France; like greece is on the verge of defaulting and the market panics once more = it's the govt fault right
Got to say very funny indeed-dee Flagman
The market fluctuations are not the fault of the govt but it certainly makes good spin for a set purpsoe. The fluctuations are more the "fault" of panic merchant sheep who follow the USA's lead on everything. Smart investor will jump on the share market at the moment
I will say it again we have an incredibly strong economy one of the strongest in the developed world, I'd rather have our economy over so many others ..... especially the basekt cases in Europe & the US
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Thursday: news out of Europe that France; like greece is on the verge of defaulting and the market panics once more = it's the govt fault right
I'd more say it was because France got a downgrade. There not going to default.
But Flags is right there is a massive resentment for this tax and you ALP members/life long supports have to accept your government has had a policy disaster after a policy disaster right from the start of your(rudd government) first term and then your believe-loved party sold out your voters and policies to hold power again(for a 2nd term) which now makes you implement green policies like the carbon tax. Which will only see ALP lose even more of the middle ground where elections are won and lost.
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I'd more say it was because France got a downgrade. There not going to default.
But Flags is right there is a massive resentment for this tax and you ALP members/life long supports have to accept your government has had a policy disaster after a policy disaster right from the start of your(rudd government) first term and then your believe-loved party sold out your voters and policies to hold power again(for a 2nd term) which now makes you implement green policies like the carbon tax. Which will only see ALP lose even more of the middle ground where elections are won and lost.
I am not disputing that people resent the tax. Not disputing it for a second and believe me I actually understand why people resent it. Think they need to build a bridge as posted somewhere in this thread a month or so ago
But Flags was implying that the stock market events of the last few days are the fault of the govt I am saying ...er... no....
As for policy disaster after policy disaster well that's a debate for another day ;D My only comment today on that will is this we were one of very few countries that didn't go into recession during the GFC and I wonder why ..... ::) ;D
Blaming the current stock market fluctuations on the Govt is simply laughable.
For memory prior to the unheaval in the US and their credit rating being downgraded (read a fortnight ago) our share market was steady some dats small losses, some days small gains.... no one was blaming govt then.
But suddenly Aust investors are panicking like the rest of the world on the back of the USA and Europe people want to point the finger at the govt?
Please whack 'em when it's deserved but to blame them for what's happened in the last 4 days on the stock market....please give me a break
I will repeat; we have an incredibly strong ecomony that a number of countries can only dream of having.
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The only reason we have a strong economy is because god gave us a country rich in iron ore and coal and other resources that we can sell at the top end of prices in the current environment. The current government has squandered this golden opportunity and on top of that they want to screw the resources industry by putting on a resources rent tax and a carbon tax. Its just disgraceful. The Gillard Greens Government is the worst government in our history.
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The only reason we have a strong economy is because god gave us a country rich in iron ore and coal and other resources that we can sell at the top end of prices in the current environment. The current government has squandered this golden opportunity and on top of that they want to screw the resources industry by putting on a resources rent tax and a carbon tax. Its just disgraceful. The Gillard Greens Government is the worst government in our history.
FFS change the record will you.
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Nup ;D
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The only reason we have a strong economy is because god gave us a country rich in iron ore and coal and other resources that we can sell at the top end of prices in the current environment. The current government has squandered this golden opportunity and on top of that they want to screw the resources industry by putting on a resources rent tax and a carbon tax. Its just disgraceful. The Gillard Greens Government is the worst government in our history.
Absolutely correct. We have escaped the GFC to date it hasn't finished. Plus lets get facts straight not repeat ALP propaganda WP. The only reason we didn't feel deep a deeper impact was simply because China done a stimulus to stock pile resources. That kept demand up on there end and our supply up on our end. Plus and most importantly we had a very strong banking sector that didn't collapse and high rates that allowed the RBA to cut and ease the mortgage pain on people so they had more to spend to keep the wider(retail) economy running. All Rudd did was pee away money that we now only have over priced school halls and canteens to show for and a destruction of faith in an industry 100% thanks government(ALP) policy of letting rorts happen that even lead to deaths. How ALP can say that saved our economy is a disgrace and nothing short of a lie.
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People claiming Rudd saved us is like Lisa Simpson fooling Homer into the rock keeping tigers away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdBn5G7Y2RA
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How ALP can say that saved our economy is a disgrace and nothing short of a lie.
Did I say the ALP "saved the economy" do I beleive they "saved" the economy = NOPE so please don't put words into my mouth. But do I believe they assisted in getting this country through the GFC circa 2008 = yep
And I agree let's get the facts straight.
You laud the RBA for cutting rates, you praise our strong banking sector, you highlight our resources sector and you also mention that because of the things you've listed people 'had more to spend to keep the wider(retail) economy running". But wasn't there a few other things that went along with what you've mentioned ....
Well hello .... wasn't there a stimulus package that the govt of the day introduce. Which the then opposition leader supported I might add
You may remember it because it included that pesky little $900 per tax payer handout. Are you saying that; that had no impact on keeping the "wider (retail) economy running". I know we used it for what it was intended which resulted in work for local tradie and purchasing a rather large consumer goods item.... or did you and Flags hand it back because it was such a terrible policy ;D
Now before you start going on about other paprts of the stimulus package in particular the Insulation fiasco (yes I am saying it was a fiasco!!! - go idea very badly implemented) there were other parts to the stimulus package that served their purpose well
But I keep forgetting we can't include any of that because it would mean giving credit to the govt of the day and we just can't have that.
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How ALP can say that saved our economy is a disgrace and nothing short of a lie.
Did I say the ALP "saved the economy" do I beleive they "saved" the economy = NOPE so please don't put words into my mouth. But do I believe they assisted in getting this country through the GFC circa 2008 = yep
And I agree let's get the facts straight.
You laud the RBA for cutting rates, you praise our strong banking sector, you highlight our resources sector and you also mention that because of the things you've listed people 'had more to spend to keep the wider(retail) economy running". But wasn't there a few other things that went along with what you've mentioned ....
Well hello .... wasn't there a stimulus package that the govt of the day introduce. Which the then opposition leader supported I might add
You may remember it because it included that pesky little $900 per tax payer handout. Are you saying that; that had no impact on keeping the "wider (retail) economy running". I know we used it for what it was intended which resulted in work for local tradie and purchasing a rather large consumer goods item.... or did you and Flags hand it back because it was such a terrible policy ;D
Now before you start going on about other paprts of the stimulus package in particular the Insulation fiasco (yes I am saying it was a fiasco!!! - go idea very badly implemented) there were other parts to the stimulus package that served their purpose well
But I keep forgetting we can't include any of that because it would mean giving credit to the govt of the day and we just can't have that.
You can thank thoughs 900 dollar checks that might of supported the economy(which we both agree on) to Howard. If it wasn't for his surplus or future fund that the ALP raided we would be further in debt and be like alot of other countries around the world.
The point is Rudd went to big to fast. Now we could very well be facing a longer down turn and we don't have any bullets left in the gun to try and fire up the economy with.
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The only reason we have a strong economy is because god gave us a country rich in iron ore and coal and other resources that we can sell at the top end of prices in the current environment. The current government has squandered this golden opportunity and on top of that they want to screw the resources industry by putting on a resources rent tax and a carbon tax. Its just disgraceful. The Gillard Greens Government is the worst government in our history.
Plus lets get facts straight not repeat ALP propaganda WP.
ALP propaganda, give me a break.
What the stuff do you think you have been spouting?
:banghead
and again...
The election is more than two years away.
There will not be a challenge to the PM.
There will not be an early election.
Suck it up sister.
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People claiming Rudd saved us is like Lisa Simpson fooling Homer into the rock keeping tigers away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdBn5G7Y2RA
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which linked to this,
:lol
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Anyone got at least a spare $38 billion for the Libs?! :wallywink. Abbott's economic credentials coming to the fore again ::) :lol.
The Federal Opposition has confirmed a report in which leaked party documents revealed it would cost the Coalition more than $38 billion to scrap the carbon and mining taxes.
The documents were obtained by Channel Seven and claim to show that the Coalition frontbench and senior advisers had been told of the figures in four separate meetings chaired by treasury spokesman Joe Hockey.
The Coalition's plan to dump the Government's carbon tax will cost $27 billion over four years, the documents say, while plans to wind back the Government's Minerals Resources Rent Tax would cost $11 billion.
The documents also revealed plans by the Coalition to fund $7 billion to $8 billion of personal tax cuts, while it would also have to find another $37 billion to pay for its promises from the last election.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-11/ditching-carbon-tax-would-cost-2427b/2835546
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Unbelievable.
This would have to be the worse opposition in history.
Power hungry policy free negativity merchants.
I hate them all.
:lol
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the problem is that a government is really only as strong as the opposition.
a weak, pathetic rabble in opposition will ultimately lead to a poor government as the bastards will not be kept honest
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"Mr Hockey, who said last week a Coalition government would likely scrap the Department of Climate Change, said other departments could also be dismantled."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/entire-government-departments-on-line-as-abbott-seeks-70bn-in-savings/story-fn59niix-1226113390758
Eff the climate and eff the future.
Won't be his problem in 20 years time, getting into power is the only priority.
:banghead
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and from the same article:
Seven said leaked frontbench documents indicated that Tony Abbott's plan to dump Labor's carbon tax would cost $27bn over four years, while scrapping Labor's new mineral resources rent tax would cost $11bn.
Added to $8 billion in tax cuts and $37 billion in existing Coalition policy commitments, a Coalition government would have to find $70 billion worth of cuts to existing Labor programs.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/entire-government-departments-on-line-as-abbott-seeks-70bn-in-savings/story-fn59niix-1226113390758
and this is straight from the horse's mouth (coalition frontbench docs)
That's $70 billion in cuts to Education, Welfare and Health.
:banghead
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the problem is that a government is really only as strong as the opposition.
a weak, pathetic rabble in opposition will ultimately lead to a poor government as the bastards will not be kept honest
I would have to agree. Just as much of a concern is the lack of big thinkers and future planners in the bencher's of parliament on either side at the moment. We could be in for a few poor terms of govts until a good turn over of current members happens.
Its always costly and hard to repeal policy once its in place. I could realistically see the liberals or even the ALP if they win a majority capping the price until it turns into an ETS.
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the problem is that a government is really only as strong as the opposition.
a weak, pathetic rabble in opposition will ultimately lead to a poor government as the bastards will not be kept honest
I would have to agree. Just as much of a concern is the lack of big thinkers and future planners in the bencher's of parliament on either side at the moment. We could be in for a few poor terms of govts until a good turn over of current members happens.
Its always costly and hard to repeal policy once its in place. I could realistically see the liberals or even the ALP if they win a majority capping the price until it turns into an ETS.
don't kid yourself the Liberals will scrap it if they get in.
Their direct action policy has been designed to be easily not implemented.
They will do nothing about climate change.
:banghead
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the problem is that a government is really only as strong as the opposition.
a weak, pathetic rabble in opposition will ultimately lead to a poor government as the bastards will not be kept honest
I would have to agree. Just as much of a concern is the lack of big thinkers and future planners in the bencher's of parliament on either side at the moment. We could be in for a few poor terms of govts until a good turn over of current members happens.
Its always costly and hard to repeal policy once its in place. I could realistically see the liberals or even the ALP if they win a majority capping the price until it turns into an ETS.
don't kid yourself the Liberals will scrap it if they get in.
Their direct action policy has been designed to be easily not implemented.
They will do nothing about climate change.
:banghead
why should they do anything about climate change. the climates been changing since the beginning of time. its just part of the natural order of life. Climate Change as its being defined by the environmental fanatics is a scam.
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the problem is that a government is really only as strong as the opposition.
a weak, pathetic rabble in opposition will ultimately lead to a poor government as the bastards will not be kept honest
I would have to agree. Just as much of a concern is the lack of big thinkers and future planners in the bencher's of parliament on either side at the moment. We could be in for a few poor terms of govts until a good turn over of current members happens.
Its always costly and hard to repeal policy once its in place. I could realistically see the liberals or even the ALP if they win a majority capping the price until it turns into an ETS.
don't kid yourself the Liberals will scrap it if they get in.
Their direct action policy has been designed to be easily not implemented.
They will do nothing about climate change.
:banghead
why should they do anything about climate change. the climates been changing since the beginning of time. its just part of the natural order of life. Climate Change as its being defined by the environmental fanatics is a scam.
Moron
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the problem is that a government is really only as strong as the opposition.
a weak, pathetic rabble in opposition will ultimately lead to a poor government as the bastards will not be kept honest
I would have to agree. Just as much of a concern is the lack of big thinkers and future planners in the bencher's of parliament on either side at the moment. We could be in for a few poor terms of govts until a good turn over of current members happens.
Its always costly and hard to repeal policy once its in place. I could realistically see the liberals or even the ALP if they win a majority capping the price until it turns into an ETS.
Bookmark it tiger101
We agree :thumbsup :thumbsup
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the problem is that a government is really only as strong as the opposition.
a weak, pathetic rabble in opposition will ultimately lead to a poor government as the bastards will not be kept honest
I would have to agree. Just as much of a concern is the lack of big thinkers and future planners in the bencher's of parliament on either side at the moment. We could be in for a few poor terms of govts until a good turn over of current members happens.
Its always costly and hard to repeal policy once its in place. I could realistically see the liberals or even the ALP if they win a majority capping the price until it turns into an ETS.
don't kid yourself the Liberals will scrap it if they get in.
Their direct action policy has been designed to be easily not implemented.
They will do nothing about climate change.
:banghead
why should they do anything about climate change. the climates been changing since the beginning of time. its just part of the natural order of life. Climate Change as its being defined by the environmental fanatics is a scam.
Moron
an overwhelming majority of Australians agree with me and my contention. you are a reflection of whats wrong with the ALP and the environmental movement. Just another fanatic who doesnt like it when other people disagree with your position. And its why Labor will get belted at the next election and why the Greens will be finished politically within the next 2 federal elections. ;D
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an overwhelming majority of Australians agree with me and my contention. you are a reflection of whats wrong with the ALP and the environmental movement. Just another fanatic who doesnt like it when other people disagree with your position. And its why Labor will get belted at the next election and why the Greens will be finished politically within the next 2 federal elections. ;D
I don't think the Greens are finished politically because of this carbon tax(That's what there voters wanted).
They have also grown a supporters base over the years which will vote for them no matter what so they'll be around for a while. Biggest question I have over the greens is post Bob Brown. They don't really have someone to step up and be the face of the party which could draw new voters in like he has been able to.
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Biggest question I have over the greens is post Bob Brown.
Tend to agree with this also. Compared to some of the other Greens currently at the Federal level Brown is a "moderate" while some of the newbies since the last election come across as having and extremist views.
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an overwhelming majority of Australians agree with me and my contention. you are a reflection of whats wrong with the ALP and the environmental movement. Just another fanatic who doesnt like it when other people disagree with your position. And its why Labor will get belted at the next election and why the Greens will be finished politically within the next 2 federal elections. ;D
Which contention is that Flagman? Your "Climate Change is scam" contention? or your view on the Carbon Tax?
Would think they are for many people they are 2 very different arguments
And BTW I think you are going a little bit over the top when you say the majority of Aussie agree with your contentions. Majority would mean at least close to 15mil folks. ;D
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an overwhelming majority of Australians agree with me and my contention. you are a reflection of whats wrong with the ALP and the environmental movement. Just another fanatic who doesnt like it when other people disagree with your position. And its why Labor will get belted at the next election and why the Greens will be finished politically within the next 2 federal elections. ;D
Which contention is that Flagman? Your "Climate Change is scam" contention? or your view on the Carbon Tax?
Would think they are for many people they are 2 very different arguments
And BTW I think you are going a little bit over the top when you say the majority of Aussie agree with your contentions. Majority would mean at least close to 15mil folks. ;D
This is OER we can make claims like that in here ;D
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:lol
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This is OER we can make claims like that in here ;D
True :rollin
So in that case...... Julia Gillard is the best PM this country has ever had
:rollin :rollin :rollin :birthday :birthday :jump
:outtahere :outtahere
:eyebrow :eyebrow
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This is OER we can make claims like that in here ;D
True :rollin
So in that case...... Julia Gillard is the best PM this country has ever had
:rollin :rollin :rollin :birthday :birthday :jump
:outtahere :outtahere
:eyebrow :eyebrow
Just missing one word there WP.
Julia Gillard is the best female PM this country has ever had. FACT
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Just missing one word there WP.
Julia Gillard is the best female PM this country has ever had. FACT
:lol
Nope that would be sexist
And we can't have that ;D
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If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
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If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
Don't kid yourself, if Libs win Direct Action becomes No Action.
:cheers
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isnt it going to cost the Libs 27 billion to roll back the carbon tax..you can kiss that idea bye then
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Tony is now pinching Greens policies.
from: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-taps-into-gas-rural-land-debates/story-fn59niix-1226113727812
Tapping into the hottest issues in rural Australia, the Opposition Leader today backed the concerns of frustrated landholders over resources companies seeking to extract coal seam gas.
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Greens Leader Bob Brown said Mr Abbott was taking up Greens policy in backing the rights of property owners over mining and gas companies.
"If Tony has said that farmers ought to have a prior right to look after their land as against the invasion by coal seam gas explorers and tappers, he's adopting Greens policies," Senator Brown said.
:lol
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If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
Don't kid yourself, if Libs win Direct Action becomes No Action.
:cheers
I was going off the hypothetical assumption that they find rolling back the carbon tax to costly so they let it prevail into the ETS then bring the cost of permits right down. They only need to cut permit emissions to the number we need to make our 5% target cut.
No rule that you have to have the price high on them. You can sell the things for $1 and have the same results from my understanding.
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If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
Don't kid yourself, if Libs win Direct Action becomes No Action.
:cheers
I was going off the hypothetical assumption that they find rolling back the carbon tax to costly so they let it prevail into the ETS then bring the cost of permits right down. They only need to cut permit emissions to the number we need to make our 5% target cut.
No rule that you have to have the price high on them. You can sell the things for $1 and have the same results from my understanding.
You have answered your own question. Dropping the price to $1 would be as costly to as dropping it altogether.
:cheers
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If liberals win hypothetically they can make an ETS cost very little per carbon. Even below carbon tax price. Given an ETS system works by government selling emission permits.
Don't kid yourself, if Libs win Direct Action becomes No Action.
:cheers
I was going off the hypothetical assumption that they find rolling back the carbon tax to costly so they let it prevail into the ETS then bring the cost of permits right down. They only need to cut permit emissions to the number we need to make our 5% target cut.
No rule that you have to have the price high on them. You can sell the things for $1 and have the same results from my understanding.
You have answered your own question. Dropping the price to $1 would be as costly to as dropping it altogether.
:cheers
Dropping the price would allow the government to drop alot of the compensation and put back the tax system as it is currently. Which I have stated before is balanced enough for these current volatile economic times.
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A Liberal National Party candidate has stepped aside as his party investigates an email in which he allegedly said he hopes Prime Minister Julia Gillard "follows the history" of assassinated US president John F Kennedy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/lnp-hopeful-stands-aside-over-gillard-email/2837414
Quality mob this opposition.
>:(
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A Liberal National Party candidate has stepped aside as his party investigates an email in which he allegedly said he hopes Prime Minister Julia Gillard "follows the history" of assassinated US president John F Kennedy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/lnp-hopeful-stands-aside-over-gillard-email/2837414
Quality mob this opposition.
>:(
more quality than the rubbish and trash thats in government at a federal level at the moment anyway!
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A Liberal National Party candidate has stepped aside as his party investigates an email in which he allegedly said he hopes Prime Minister Julia Gillard "follows the history" of assassinated US president John F Kennedy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/lnp-hopeful-stands-aside-over-gillard-email/2837414
Quality mob this opposition.
>:(
more quality than the rubbish and trash thats in government at a federal level at the moment anyway!
yeah, right.
:lol
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The Liberal Party is struggling to bring in sufficient funds and donations, its federal president has admitted, casting doubts over its ability to fight a snap election.
With a hung parliament and Labor having to govern with the support of the Greens and independents, Mr Stockdale says illness, death, or a revolt by Labor backbenchers could trigger an election at any moment.
"We do not have the resources we need right now," he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-13/cash-strapped-liberal-party-appeals-for-donations/2838056
The tide is turning even the Liberal fauthful are getting sick of Abbott and refusing to contribute to the negativity.
:thumbsup
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A Liberal National Party candidate has stepped aside as his party investigates an email in which he allegedly said he hopes Prime Minister Julia Gillard "follows the history" of assassinated US president John F Kennedy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/lnp-hopeful-stands-aside-over-gillard-email/2837414
Quality mob this opposition.
>:(
Not condoning it. But come on there's bad eggs in both party's. Always have been always will be.
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A Liberal National Party candidate has stepped aside as his party investigates an email in which he allegedly said he hopes Prime Minister Julia Gillard "follows the history" of assassinated US president John F Kennedy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/lnp-hopeful-stands-aside-over-gillard-email/2837414
Quality mob this opposition.
>:(
Not condoning it. But come on there's bad eggs in both party's. Always have been always will be.
No you are 100% wrong.
Every Labor person is as pure as the driven snow.
:lol
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A Liberal National Party candidate has stepped aside as his party investigates an email in which he allegedly said he hopes Prime Minister Julia Gillard "follows the history" of assassinated US president John F Kennedy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/lnp-hopeful-stands-aside-over-gillard-email/2837414
Quality mob this opposition.
>:(
Not condoning it. But come on there's bad eggs in both party's. Always have been always will be.
No you are 100% wrong.
Every Labor person is as pure as the driven snow.
:lol
1965 from your blind support for anything Labor do and the false statements you have made about liberals in this thread. I have no doubt that you truly believe that.
I wonder how the hard workers of the health services feel about there union fee's being spent to pay for ALP MP Craig Thomson prostitutes bill. You can highly likely see his marginal seat change at the next election now.
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A Liberal National Party candidate has stepped aside as his party investigates an email in which he allegedly said he hopes Prime Minister Julia Gillard "follows the history" of assassinated US president John F Kennedy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/lnp-hopeful-stands-aside-over-gillard-email/2837414
Quality mob this opposition.
>:(
Not condoning it. But come on there's bad eggs in both party's. Always have been always will be.
No you are 100% wrong.
Every Labor person is as pure as the driven snow.
:lol
1965 from your blind support for anything Labor do and the false statements you have made about liberals in this thread. I have no doubt that you truly believe that.
I wonder how the hard workers of the health services feel about there union fee's being spent to pay for ALP MP Craig Thomson prostitutes bill. You can highly likely see his marginal seat change at the next election now.
All in fun.
Politicians are all bastards.
Although I find Tony's "bring down the govt at all costs" a bit hard to take.
:thumbsup
Go Tigers :cheers
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Labor is finished federally. On there last legs. After Gilligan/ sorry Gillard you wont see Labor in power for 15 years at least. She's destroyed Labors credibility and brand and cost them a generation of voters.
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id put money on Mr Rabbit returning the favour.
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Labor is finished federally. On there last legs. After Gilligan/ sorry Gillard you wont see Labor in power for 15 years at least. She's destroyed Labors credibility and brand and cost them a generation of voters.
Not going to go into a debate about if they've destroyed the brand. But it does seem like something is going a miss at the Labor HQ at the moment. They have turned off NSW voters off until they get sick of Barry and just want change. So give that about a decade or a little bit more.
Lost Vic look like losing QLD and TAS. W.A they don't seem to be that strong either. If there was ever a need for a strong federal labor to help pull back voters that have lost touch at state level this would of been the perfect opportunity.
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Labor is finished federally. On there last legs. After Gilligan/ sorry Gillard you wont see Labor in power for 15 years at least. She's destroyed Labors credibility and brand and cost them a generation of voters.
Gilligan. Now thats funny...
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After Gilligan/ sorry Gillard you wont see Labor in power for 15 years at least. She's destroyed Labors credibility and brand and cost them a generation of voters.
I dunno man. Voters are increasingly becoming fickle of pollies and their inability to deliver tangible benefits to people, and buggering things up. State and Fed.
When the libs get in, they'll probably be gone in 2 terms too. The days of 4 term governments are over.
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FFS Dookie don't start making sense. I couldn't cope.
:lol
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FFS Dookie don't start making sense. I couldn't cope.
:lol
Sorry 65, we now return to our regular programing.
Boobs, gooch, wiener, fart, VaJayjay
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Liberal may face probe over station clash
The Age understands that Liberal Speaker Ken Smith has found there are grounds for an investigation into backbencher Michael Gidley over his explanation of a June incident when he confronted Labor staff handing out flyers.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/liberal-may-face-probe-over-station-clash-20110815-1iuq6.html#ixzz1V8JfKdhL
Another lying liberal bastard.
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Another lying liberal bastard.
1965 I repeat once again there are bad eggs in both party's why you only pick out liberal ones and think your party is any better is just wrong.
Get off your high moral ground and look at Craig Thompson confronting a charity worker threatening her and making her cry.
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labor is gone. 100% gone at the next election and itll be good riddance to bad rubbish :cheers
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labor is gone. 100% gone at the next election and itll be good riddance to bad rubbish :cheers
Flag its unbelievable that ALP fanboys will stick up for Gillard instead of calling on her for the broken promises and mishandling of policy's that will in the long-term only hurt there working class voter base and turn off the next generation of voters.
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Another lying liberal bastard.
1965 I repeat once again there are bad eggs in both party's why you only pick out liberal ones and think your party is any better is just wrong.
Get off your high moral ground and look at Craig Thompson confronting a charity worker threatening her and making her cry.
Totally agree with you on that tiger101
There are bad pollies on all sides and sadly the "quality" of them keeps heading south IMHO
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TONY Abbott must step up from being an effective Opposition Leader to become a possible prime minister in waiting when Parliament resumes today.
The Opposition Leader has shown himself more than able to keep the heat on the Gillard Government, but his message has been largely negative.
If an election were to be held now, the Coalition under Mr Abbott would be swept into power in a landslide.
But there are signs in the polls that Mr Abbott is losing his edge over Ms Gillard as preferred prime minister.
Since returning from his overseas holiday, Mr Abbott has found himself in a mess much of his own making. The Opposition Leader has an ability to cut through to people's concerns, but he does so seemingly without regard to where this leaves him.
A leaked document revealing the Coalition will have to find $70 billion over four years to pay for its promises is serious for what it does not say.
Companies that buy carbon credits and will have to be refunded when the Coalition repeals the carbon tax will surely only buy sufficient credits to take them through to an election in two years. And there is also the foregone mining tax and paid parental leave scheme to be paid for.
Mr Abbott has a lot of explaining to do, and also needs to spell out how his direct action plan to reduce carbon emissions can be made affordable.
excerpts from The herald-Sun editorial
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/time-to-see-real-tony/story-fn6bn88w-1226115483001
and this from The Herald-Sun.
Mark my words the tide is turning.
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SIX months ago the Coalition battled to find $2 billion it could cut from the Budget as an alternative to Labor's flood levy.
Now it is on a mission to find up to $70 billion.
Hockey confirms his razor gang is searching for up to $70 billion and says he makes "no apology" for the pain that could lie ahead, although he insists most of the money will be found by cutting government waste.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/libs-fiscal-plan-vital-as-hockey-must-prove-hes-no-ordinary-joe/story-e6frfhqf-1226115489496
That's $70 billion dollars in cuts to services to hand back the mining companies super-profits.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
How anybody can support the Libs beggars belief.
:cheers
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Tony Abbott will become one of Australia's greatest ever Prime Ministers just like John Howard. :cheers
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Tony Abbott will become one of Australia's greatest ever Prime Ministers just like John Howard. :cheers
Well they've always joked that Tony is John "love child" ;D
But sadly for Tony I doubt he will ever be PM - he'll get knifed ;D
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:lol
tony wont even answer questions without a pre written script now.
what a buffoon.
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:lol
tony wont even answer questions without a pre written script now.
what a buffoon.
Yes, the one time he drifted away from his three word slogans he came unstuck.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-15/tony-abbott-backs-down-on-coal-seam-gas/2840014
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/greens-back-abbott-on-coalseam-gas-mining-20110814-1isy7.html
Once again, how sane normal people can be sucked in by Tony beggars belief.
Tony is a dead man walking.
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He's 20% infront in the opinion polls. He is gonna wreck Labor at the next election. Labor is finished. The sooner they get rid of Gillard the better. Theyd be better off sticking in someone like Crean. Gillard lol ... a commie running the country lol no wonder the countrys stuffed.
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Notice today even the newspaper that is never critical of Tony had a whack = HUN
Said he needed stop with the negativity and show some true leadership as our alternative PM
He's 20% infront in the opinion polls. He is gonna wreck Labor at the next election. Labor is finished. The sooner they get rid of Gillard the better. Theyd be better off sticking in someone like Crean. Gillard lol ... a commie running the country lol no wonder the countrys stuffed.
Libs are digging themselves towards massive trouble over their $70 billion black hole and subsequent cost cutting. they aren't showing great fiscal management with no actual plan
2 years before an election, they don't sort out this mess they will be copping some whacks themselves
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Gillard and Swan need to stop worrying about the liberals black holes and fill there own because like it or not they banged on about this surplus so much they gotta deliver it.
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Abbott's carbon campaign hits a snag
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-17/abbott-carbon-campaign-hits-a-snag/2843290
Interesting reading, I wonder if the truth will out?
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Senator Chris Back faces legal action after Indonesian abattoir bribe claims.
THE senator who claimed Indonesian abattoir workers were paid to mistreat animals for the cameras is being called on by his fellow parliamentarians to apologise and faces potential legal action after producing only a three-line affidavit to back up his allegations.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/senator-faces-legal-action-after-indonesian-abattoir-bribe-claims/story-fn59niix-1226117000721
Another power hungry lying Liberal caught out.
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Gillard and Swan need to stop worrying about the liberals black holes and fill there own because like it or not they banged on about this surplus so much they gotta deliver it.
Absolutely agree but they are going to whack the opposition who "bang on" about fiscal responsibility but right at the minute aren't showing much themselves
But Tony wants an election now which is going to happen
He is currently alternate PM, Joe Hockey is our alternate Treasurer
They've admitted that to implement all their promises it will cost $70 billion
They said they the will need to make $70 bil in cuts but wont say which areas they will target
So that means that they either have no concrete plan as to how to achieve or they haven't got the courage to tells us that it is more than likely to effect education, defence, health etc
Which is it exactly
They they want us to believe they are the only fiscally responsible option and not worry but they wont tell us anything outside of their daily ritual of negatvity
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Gillard and Swan need to stop worrying about the liberals black holes and fill there own because like it or not they banged on about this surplus so much they gotta deliver it.
Absolutely agree but they are going to whack the opposition who "bang on" about fiscal responsibility but right at the minute aren't showing much themselves
But Tony wants an election now which is going to happen
He is currently alternate PM, Joe Hockey is our alternate Treasurer
They've admitted that to implement all their promises it will cost $70 billion
They said they the will need to make $70 bil in cuts but wont say which areas they will target
So that means that they either have no concrete plan as to how to achieve or they haven't got the courage to tells us that it is more than likely to effect education, defence, health etc
Which is it exactly
They they want us to believe they are the only fiscally responsible option and not worry but they wont tell us anything outside of their daily ritual of negatvity
The 70billion black hole is a false hole.
It's only if they keep to there tax cuts without having the carbon tax and mining tax revenue's.
Like I've said before we don't need these cuts labor are giving us because we won't have the carbon tax which will drive the prices up. If you take back the new taxes labor love to put onto us you can also tax back the tax cut's cause they won't be needed because people will once again like pre-labor government days have money in there pockets.
I also see in the herald sun today that the carbon tax modelling shows that 23,000 fewer jobs will be created in Vic alone.
I find it so hard to believe how you's can bang on about a tax that will cost jobs, hurt people financially and it won't even do a thing for the environment because we aren't a big enough contributor to carbon output in the first place.
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I also see in the herald sun today that the carbon tax modelling shows that 23,000 fewer jobs will be created in Vic alone.
Modelling that was commissioned by the Libs and done by a Liberal biased company.
More lies.
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[The 70billion black hole is a false hole.
It's only if they keep to there tax cuts without having the carbon tax and mining tax revenue's.
Confidential minutes from meetings with shadow ministers were leaked to Channel 7's Mark Riley, showing axing the carbon tax will cost $27 billion and scrapping the mining tax will cost $11 billion, plus there is $37 billion worth of promises from the last election as well as $8 billion worth of new tax cuts.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/libs-fiscal-plan-vital-as-hockey-must-prove-hes-no-ordinary-joe/story-e6frfhqf-1226115489496
More lies.
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The 70billion black hole is a false hole.
It's only if they keep to there tax cuts without having the carbon tax and mining tax revenue's.
How can it be a false hole?
Their very own numbers say that the cost to remove the Carbon Tax & the Mining Tax (and lets be honest it is a mining TAX) and deliver their prmised tax cuts will cost $70 bil. I didn't make up the number, it is Joe & Tony's number
They have promised to every Australian that if they win the next election they will remove the Carbon Tax, Mining Tax, deliver income tax cuts - so therefore $70 bil black hole in their numbers is very real
Unless of course they are currently lying to voters and they have no intention of honouring those promises. Now if that's the case then aren't they based on so many people's argument on par with the current PM & Govt?
And BTW tiger101 - I am enjoying the debate/discussion with you on this - you present your case very well :thumbsup
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And BTW tiger101 - I am enjoying the debate/discussion with you on this - you present your case very well :thumbsup
Subtle as a sledge hammer there WP.
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And BTW tiger101 - I am enjoying the debate/discussion with you on this - you present your case very well :thumbsup
Subtle as a sledge hammer there WP.
:lol
Really ::)
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I also see in the herald sun today that the carbon tax modelling shows that 23,000 fewer jobs will be created in Vic alone.
A spokesman for Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said Treasury modelling showed the tax policy, which included an accompanying switch to low emissions energy, would create 1.6 million more jobs nationwide by 2020.
"Deloitte does not take any account of the positive impact of these assistance measures," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/gillard-governments-carbon-tax-to-cost-23000-jobs-in-victoria/story-fn7x8me2-1226116987957
Once again more misleading information from the Libs designed to create uncertainty and fear.
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I don't like bringing up none political issues but seeing how 1965 is enjoying the mud slinging contest of bad eggs I thought I'd show there are some on the labor side as well.
Embattled federal Labor MP Craig Thomson is being investigated over whether he misled industrial umpire Fair Work Australia.
Fair Work Australia has previously found insufficient evidence to prosecute Mr Thomson, the member for the NSW seat of Dobell.
Seven News reported on Thursday the industrial body was now investigating whether Mr Thomson misled the initial probe into allegations his former union credit card was used to pay for prostitutes.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/labor-mp-thomson-in-new-credit-card-probe-20110818-1iyvm.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LaborUnion+%28%5Buw%5D+Labor+Union+News%29
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have the libs said they will scrap the carbon tax considering it will cost 27 billion to do so,according to their economic modelling
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have the libs said they will scrap the carbon tax considering it will cost 27 billion to do so,according to their economic modelling
The carbon tax will be scrapped if Liberals win.
This blackhole labor keep going on about is only 5% of forward spending over the next 4 years.
So lets not blow it out of proportion like Swan is attempting to do.
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Once again more misleading information from the Libs designed to create uncertainty and fear.
They thrive on it. Howard was a master at this slop
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I don't like bringing up none political issues but seeing how 1965 is enjoying the mud slinging contest of bad eggs I thought I'd show there are some on the labor side as well.
Embattled federal Labor MP Craig Thomson is being investigated over whether he misled industrial umpire Fair Work Australia.
Fair Work Australia has previously found insufficient evidence to prosecute Mr Thomson, the member for the NSW seat of Dobell.
Seven News reported on Thursday the industrial body was now investigating whether Mr Thomson misled the initial probe into allegations his former union credit card was used to pay for prostitutes.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/labor-mp-thomson-in-new-credit-card-probe-20110818-1iyvm.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LaborUnion+%28%5Buw%5D+Labor+Union+News%29
But Mr Abbott declined to agree that Mr Thomson should have to resign.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-18/abbott-on-craig-thomson/2845062
Either of two things have happened here.
1. It is a non-issue and tony Abbott knows it or
2. The Libs have similar skeletons in their closet that Tony knows about.
:lol
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have the libs said they will scrap the carbon tax considering it will cost 27 billion to do so,according to their economic modelling
The carbon tax will be scrapped if Liberals win.
This blackhole labor keep going on about is only 5% of forward spending over the next 4 years.
So lets not blow it out of proportion like Swan is attempting to do.
5% certainly sounds smaller than $70 billion dollars.
Now that's not misleading is it?
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have the libs said they will scrap the carbon tax considering it will cost 27 billion to do so,according to their economic modelling
The carbon tax will be scrapped if Liberals win.
This blackhole labor keep going on about is only 5% of forward spending over the next 4 years.
So lets not blow it out of proportion like Swan is attempting to do.
5% certainly sounds smaller than $70 billion dollars.
Now that's not misleading is it?
:thumbsup
Maybe you should read the budget.
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I don't like bringing up none political issues but seeing how 1965 is enjoying the mud slinging contest of bad eggs I thought I'd show there are some on the labor side as well.
Embattled federal Labor MP Craig Thomson is being investigated over whether he misled industrial umpire Fair Work Australia.
Fair Work Australia has previously found insufficient evidence to prosecute Mr Thomson, the member for the NSW seat of Dobell.
Seven News reported on Thursday the industrial body was now investigating whether Mr Thomson misled the initial probe into allegations his former union credit card was used to pay for prostitutes.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/labor-mp-thomson-in-new-credit-card-probe-20110818-1iyvm.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LaborUnion+%28%5Buw%5D+Labor+Union+News%29
But Mr Abbott declined to agree that Mr Thomson should have to resign.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-18/abbott-on-craig-thomson/2845062
Either of two things have happened here.
1. It is a non-issue and tony Abbott knows it or
2. The Libs have similar skeletons in their closet that Tony knows about.
:lol
Abbott doesnt have a problem at the moment only gillard has the problem and its called Craig Thomson.
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Abbott doesnt have a problem at the moment only gillard has the problem and its called Craig Thomson.
Just when all the ALP fanboys like 1965 thought Gillard was coming back in the polls to set up a land slide victory at the next election.
Craig Thomson sticks his head up and pulls the party into a fraud and sex with prostitutes scandal. Not a good look for the ALP
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Just when all the ALP fanboys like 1965 thought Gillard was coming back in the polls to set up a land slide victory at the next election.
Craig Thomson sticks his head up and pulls the party into a fraud and sex with prostitutes scandal. Not a good look for the ALP
Have to say you are correct
It's a very poor look as it would be for either side of politics.
Biggest problem the ALP has is his seat isn't a safe Labor seat in that if they had to have a by-election he would likely lose. So he is unlikely to re-sign or be sacked
Having said that I don't think Tony's looked to flash in this either with response yesterday:
"The one thing I don't want to do is set myself up as a moral paragon because you never know what tests you might face. You just never know these things,"
What a "wishy-washy" nothing said to cover all bases in case one of his charges has been naughty
Granted it is only one part of his overall answer but I reckon he should have left it out, his other answers were actually pretty good for Tony ;D
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Having said that I don't think Tony's looked to flash in this either with response yesterday:
"The one thing I don't want to do is set myself up as a moral paragon because you never know what tests you might face. You just never know these things,"
What a "wishy-washy" nothing said to cover all bases in case one of his charges has been naughty
Granted it is only one part of his overall answer but I reckon he should have left it out, his other answers were actually pretty good for Tony ;D
Agree with you on that. But he had to say something to the media about the scandal to keep pressure up on Gillard and Thomson and by doing that the media was always going to question him what he would do if it happened on his side. So I kind of expected him to say what he did. As Gillard would if roles was reversed(unless she wants to keep lying).
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Agree with you on that. But he had to say something to the media about the scandal to keep pressure up on Gillard and Thomson and by doing that the media was always going to question him what he would do if it happened on his side. So I kind of expected him to say what he did. As Gillard would if roles was reversed(unless she wants to keep lying).
As I said on the whole his answers were exactly as they should have been in the circumstance with the exception of that one statement that the media not surprisingly have highlighted.
It pains me to say this because as you know I cannot stand the bloke but he actually came across as positive in his tone even though he was keeping up his negativity.
What I mean is he his tone when answering didn't sound like his normal whining negative spin. He was very measured and the "you'll have to ask the PM that" without constantly referring to lying to the Aust people was good, and really that's all he need to do.
I certainly noticed a distinct difference with him yesterday
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WP I think that's the direction he needs to go in.
People know she didn't keep her word and they've moved on from it. They didn't like her doing it and it could very well come back and bite her at the next election but for now people don't need to be kept getting told how she lied and blah blah blah etc. As you said it comes across as being whiny after a while. All he needs to do from now till the election is just keep the pressure up on the issues/policy's.
IMO(labor members I know have also agreed) the main problem for this labor government since 07 has been their always appearing to be on the back foot and for no one real reason I can think of is they just can't turn it around.
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WP I think that's the direction he needs to go in.
People know she didn't keep her word and they've moved on from it. They didn't like her doing it and it could very well come back and bite her at the next election but for now people don't need to be kept getting told how she lied and blah blah blah etc. As you said it comes across as being whiny after a while. All he needs to do from now till the election is just keep the pressure up on the issues/policy's.
Exactly but also realising that you need to present alternative policies as well. That approach IMO is what being an effective opposition, therefore alternative govt is all about
IMO(labor members I know have also agreed) the main problem for this labor government since 07 has been their always appearing to be on the back foot and for no one real reason I can think of is they just can't turn it around.
I reckon that is a good point and it was something that certainly showed up during the last election campaign.
Whether you agree or not if things had of been managed and spruiked the right way there was alot of things they could have promoted as being achievementsin their first term but they didn't seem to realise that was what they should have done unitl it was too late IMO. They spent far too much time worrying about trying to show up the opposition leader than seeling themselves. Again negativity; too much of it is a killer for any party
The other thing and it's always been a problem with Labor govts alot of the time their ideas/policies are very very good but their ablility to excute or implement them (eg the Insualtion fiasco is the perfect example) is shocking to say the least.
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I have no doubt the ALP hierarchy would be very peeed off at Thomson. I wonder if they would go to the extreme of pre-selecting another candidate at another election in that seat.
The main concern is still Wilkie with his pokie reform IMO. Its got no chance at passing COAG and its ment to be in the May 2012 budget which was apart of the agreement. I have no doubt in my mind Wilkie would ditch Gillard over it. His one of though's people that are not concerned with what other people think of them. He'll be the collapse of a government but still walk around with his head held up high. Plus he'll win his seat again with liberal preferences.
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Senator Chris Back faces legal action after Indonesian abattoir bribe claims.
THE senator who claimed Indonesian abattoir workers were paid to mistreat animals for the cameras is being called on by his fellow parliamentarians to apologise and faces potential legal action after producing only a three-line affidavit to back up his allegations.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/senator-faces-legal-action-after-indonesian-abattoir-bribe-claims/story-fn59niix-1226117000721
Another power hungry lying Liberal caught out.
I'm surprised that the live export fiasco hasn't got more of a mention here.
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Just when all the ALP fanboys like 1965 thought Gillard was coming back in the polls to set up a land slide victory at the next election.
Craig Thomson sticks his head up and pulls the party into a fraud and sex with prostitutes scandal. Not a good look for the ALP
Have to say you are correct
It's a very poor look as it would be for either side of politics.
Biggest problem the ALP has is his seat isn't a safe Labor seat in that if they had to have a by-election he would likely lose. So he is unlikely to re-sign or be sacked
Having said that I don't think Tony's looked to flash in this either with response yesterday:
"The one thing I don't want to do is set myself up as a moral paragon because you never know what tests you might face. You just never know these things,"
What a "wishy-washy" nothing said to cover all bases in case one of his charges has been naughty
Granted it is only one part of his overall answer but I reckon he should have left it out, his other answers were actually pretty good for Tony ;D
Tony seems to come unstuck when he tries to ad-lib and not just stick to the three word slogans.
He stumbled over the coal seam gas debate and could have handled this better as well.
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Stop the Tax
Stop the Boats
Just Stop Everything
Winning Slogans. Well done to next Prime Minister of Australia Tony Abbott. A great leader he will be too. ;D
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I have no doubt the ALP hierarchy would be very peeed off at Thomson. I wonder if they would go to the extreme of pre-selecting another candidate at another election in that seat.
The main concern is still Wilkie with his pokie reform IMO. Its got no chance at passing COAG and its ment to be in the May 2012 budget which was apart of the agreement. I have no doubt in my mind Wilkie would ditch Gillard over it. His one of though's people that are not concerned with what other people think of them. He'll be the collapse of a government but still walk around with his head held up high. Plus he'll win his seat again with liberal preferences.
"The key milestone between now and then is that by budget 2012, the Federal Parliament is to have passed legislation to intervene in any state that would not cooperate with these reforms."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-03-29/wilkie-sets-deadline-for-pokies-reform-plan/2636452
Sounds like he thought of that as well. Still not over the line though and it could still bring the Govt down.
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Abbott doesnt have a problem at the moment only gillard has the problem and its called Craig Thomson.
Just when all the ALP fanboys like 1965 thought Gillard was coming back in the polls to set up a land slide victory at the next election.
Craig Thomson sticks his head up and pulls the party into a fraud and sex with prostitutes scandal. Not a good look for the ALP
But the Government countered this morning, raising charges of shoplifting that have been laid against a Liberal South Australian senator, understood by the ABC to be Mary Jo Fisher.
Defence Minister Stephen Smith said people should remain silent until Fair Work Australia hands down the results of its investigation into Mr Thomson in the same way Labor has been silent over Senator Fisher's charge.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-19/abbott-ramps-up-attack-on-thomson/2847450
Aother example of the difference between Labor and Liberal.
Labor are respectfully silent over a Liberal senator in trouble with the law and the Libs are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of forcing an election.
The fact that so many can't see what is happening is unbelievable.
:cheers
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and scary
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If the liberal senate gets found guilty then another Liberal will replace her.
Just like how NSW Senator Helen Coonan is retiring but being replaced by another liberal person.
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what?
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If the liberal senate gets found guilty then another Liberal will replace her.
Just like how NSW Senator Helen Coonan is retiring but being replaced by another liberal person.
You have either missed the point or deliberately deflected the issue in the style of a true politician.
The Labor Party have been quiet about the whole Liberal Senator Fisher shoplifting saga but the Liberals have been very vocal about the Labor Mr Thompson MP saga.
A respectful silence from one party and the rabid rants from the power hungry opposition.
:thumbsup
Wake up and smell the coffee.
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If the liberal senate gets found guilty then another Liberal will replace her.
Just like how NSW Senator Helen Coonan is retiring but being replaced by another liberal person.
You have either missed the point or deliberately deflected the issue in the style of a true politician.
The Labor Party have been quiet about the whole Liberal Senator Fisher shoplifting saga but the Liberals have been very vocal about the Labor Mr Thompson MP saga.
A respectful silence from one party and the rabid rants from the power hungry opposition.
:thumbsup
Wake up and smell the coffee.
The hole point of being in politics is to get into government. Now if only one seat was the difference that would land you into government and a persons actions was inappropriate then I'd be making a song and dance out of it as well(like the liberals are)
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From http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-19/cassidy-see-you-thomson-raise-you-wilkie/2845762
"Craig Thomson has set a few Coalition supporters' hearts a flutter this week - and caused Labor supporters to think about their mortality."
"Only opposition MPs are talking about criminal behaviour. The NSW police aren't even investigating the allegations against him."
"Essentially that remains a matter between Thomson and his union. The most that can be levelled against him now as a politician is that he once showed poor judgment."
Storm in a teacup. Another example of the depths to which the power hungry Libs will sink to in their "at any cost" bid to force an election.
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If the liberal senate gets found guilty then another Liberal will replace her.
Just like how NSW Senator Helen Coonan is retiring but being replaced by another liberal person.
You have either missed the point or deliberately deflected the issue in the style of a true politician.
The Labor Party have been quiet about the whole Liberal Senator Fisher shoplifting saga but the Liberals have been very vocal about the Labor Mr Thompson MP saga.
A respectful silence from one party and the rabid rants from the power hungry opposition.
:thumbsup
Wake up and smell the coffee.
The hole point of being in politics is to get into government. Now if only one seat was the difference that would land you into government and a persons actions was inappropriate then I'd be making a song and dance out of it as well(like the liberals are)
Both sides do it but that's what's wrong with many pollies. More interested in themselves and their own egos even if it's at expense of what's best for the country. Abbott is the worst as he flip flops on every issue even if it was/is Liberal policy. Reminds me of this politics student at uni I bumped into at a party way back in my uni days who boasted about how he could win debates while arguing a position he was actually against in real life. So much for standing by your principles ::).
Btw I agree tiger101, I reckon Labor will dump Thompson at preselection once the federal election is due in two years time.
Back to the carbon debate - it has really brought out the nutters on the (far) Right. Pauline Hanson is now back for her 9th election attempt :sleep (and the free taxpayers dollars that come with it ::) ) after the loonies on the Parliament lawn the other day told her to and then there's the LNP candidate in Queensland that hoped Gillard would go the same way as JFK :help. These fruitloops are just copying the ultra-conservative Tea Party nutjobs in the USA and bringing it to Australia :help. The Libs/Nats seem to have abandoned their traditional links to British Conservatism as they are at odds with David Cameron. Even had Barry O'Farrell at COAG compare Gillard to Margaret Thatcher :o.
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From the looks of yesterdays job cuts and the future outlook of more and from Paul Howes comments on skynews sunday agenda it looks like the Dutch Disease is about to hit us.
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From the looks of yesterdays job cuts and the future outlook of more and from Paul Howes comments on skynews sunday agenda it looks like the Dutch Disease is about to hit us.
You need to do a little more reading on this theory and a little less scare mongering.
::)
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heard the term a number of times too '65
it's when exploiting your natural resources causes harm to other sectors of the economy.
Also heard mention a number of times that a resources tax would help prevent it, if set up appropriately
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease
Interesting read.
Investing in education and infrastructure is able to increase the competitiveness of the manufacturing sector
Hmmmmm
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Manufacturings been stuffed in Australia for over 2 decades. These industrys cant compete with the Chinese and the Indians who pay slave wages in factorys etc. Where an industry can no longer compete it goes out of business thats the end result. By trying to fabricate a situation where you take out of the resources industry and give it to the manufactures you create a socialism in the economy that is bad for everyone because in the end instead of having 1 good industry and 1 bad industry you get 2 bad industrys. Labor should give up. They dont know how to run the economy they cant even run a chook raffle. Theyre effin hopeless. A clueless bunch of socialists bludging of the Australian taxpayers most of whom have never had a real job and just worked as advisors in unions or the ALP. Its just a disgrace.
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it's not about taking from one industry to give to and prop up another, flags
It's about stopping too much money from coming into the country at once, thus driving up the value of the dollar and impacting your local manufacturing industry.
If the manufacturing industry has been stuffed for 20 years why is only labour to blame ? both parties have had a fair go in that time?
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A clueless bunch of socialists bludging of the Australian taxpayers most of whom have never had a real job and just worked as advisors in unions or the ALP. Its just a disgrace.
Julie Bishop - Lawyer
Warren Truss - a third generation farmer
Joe Hockey - finance and banking lawyer
Christopher Pyne - entered politics at the age of 25 (ie career wbanker)
Joe Hockey - finance and banking lawyer (another wbanker)
A mix of professional people you would expect to be politicians.
But the leader of the opposition: Tony Abbott - Journalist and Plant Manager at Pioneer Concrete.
Journalist (read scum) and a concrete mixer. Real quality there.
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And in the Government
PM is a solictor,
Wayne Swan was a University lecturer in Public Policy,
K Rudd was a diplomat
Stephen Smith - Solictor,
Nicola Roxon - Judge's Associate (lawyer)
Anthony Albanese - economist
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Bill Shorten - Unionist
Greg Combet - Unionist
Chris Evans - Unionist
Simon Crean - Unionist
Martin Ferguson - Unionist.
To be honest most people that want to be politicians are either going to work in a union or be a political staffer before hand because there interested in that kind of work also.
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seems like the common factor in both lists is lawyers..if we want good government i reckon we need a broader cross section of the community....how about some one eyed tiger fans
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Bill Shorten - Unionist
Greg Combet - Unionist
Chris Evans - Unionist
Simon Crean - Unionist
Martin Ferguson - Unionist.
To be honest most people that want to be politicians are either going to work in a union or be a political staffer before hand because there interested in that kind of work also.
You missed the Labor politician with the best credentials: Peter Garrett - Rock musician
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejorQVy3m8E
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning
The time has come
To say fair's fair
To pay the rent, now
To pay our share
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seems like the common factor in both lists is lawyers..if we want good government i reckon we need a broader cross section of the community....how about some one eyed tiger fans
What and take a pay cut and live in Canberra.
No thanks.
:lol
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Today this scumbag of a politician (Tony Abbott) refused a pair for Simon Crean (Minister for the Arts) who was scheduled to attend a state memorial service for artist Margaret Olley in Sydney.
A bloody funeral FFS.
What is wrong with this power-hungry little turd.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/pm-dodges-bullet-as-thomson-motion-fails-20110824-1j95f.html#ixzz1Vuh8dBIhhttp://media.theage.com.au/news/national-news/abbott-reneges-on-pairing-deal-2578124.html
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Today this scumbag of a politician (Tony Abbott) refused a pair for Simon Crean (Minister for the Arts) who was scheduled to attend a state memorial service for artist Margaret Olley in Sydney.
A bloody funeral FFS.
What is wrong with this power-hungry little turd.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/pm-dodges-bullet-as-thomson-motion-fails-20110824-1j95f.html#ixzz1Vuh8dBIhhttp://media.theage.com.au/news/national-news/abbott-reneges-on-pairing-deal-2578124.html
Actually what made it worse was the fact that Malcolm Turnball whose a family friend of Margaret Olley was not able to attend either because of what Tony did today...very poor form indeed
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Raising decade-old matters, Mr Albanese said Mr Abbott had been evasive over the source of $100,000 he raised for an anti-One Nation fighting fund.
“This is what the Opposition Leader told the Sydney Morning Herald back on September 5, 2003: `There are some things that the public has no particular right to know',” Mr Albanese said.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-steps-up-attack-over-craig-thomson-denying-pairs-in-parliament/story-fn59niix-1226121261455
It looks like the ALP has been doing some "digging" of its own.
This could get real dirty.
:(
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LOL he raised $100,000 to fight One Nation .... thats different from whats going on at the moment. Thats the type of nonsense Labor comes out with. If its not bad mouthing truckies and old people or going after the disabled. Labor is on its knees gentlemen and it'll be taking the full load soon enough.
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LOL he raised $100,000 to fight One Nation .... thats different from whats going on at the moment. Thats the type of nonsense Labor comes out with. If its not bad mouthing truckies and old people or going after the disabled. Labor is on its knees gentlemen and it'll be taking the full load soon enough.
But where did he raise the money from and why won't he tell us?
What is he hiding.
stuffing power-hungry hypocrite.
:banghead
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It doesnt matter where he got it. He got it and declared hed got it and it went to fighting One Nation. Unfortunately the current Labor circumstances are different. :cheers
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It doesnt matter where he got it. He got it and declared hed got it and it went to fighting One Nation. Unfortunately the current Labor circumstances are different. :cheers
You are correct
Now seeing the Thomson thing like the shoplifting charges agaisnt the Lib pollie is being handled by the police we can move onto more important issues like Bob Katter's gay little brother having at big bro over gay marriage ;D
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As I heard someone say earlier this week. The more the government refuse to answer, the more they implicate themselves in a cover up.
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Then again, the Coalition didn't pursue Thomson when the allegations were first raised in 2009. It has only been since the numbers in Parliament changed that Tony Abbott has seen him as the weak link that might just bring down the Gillard regime.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/allegations-against-labor-mp-craig-thomson-could-be-the-end-of-gillard/story-e6frfhqf-1226121362956
Don't kid yourself about Abbott's motives, he is only going after Thomson because he wants to bring down the Government.
Do you really want this "get power at any cost" scumbag running the country.
:wallywink
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Craig Thomson is a legend. No Carbon Tax, No Resources Tax and our good mate Tony will become Prime Minister so he can railroad all the bludgers back into the employment system and of the unemployment benefits. Especially those bludgers who spend all their time surfing at beaches or drinking coffees at the local yuppie cafe.
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Then again, the Coalition didn't pursue Thomson when the allegations were first raised in 2009. It has only been since the numbers in Parliament changed that Tony Abbott has seen him as the weak link that might just bring down the Gillard regime.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/allegations-against-labor-mp-craig-thomson-could-be-the-end-of-gillard/story-e6frfhqf-1226121362956
Don't kid yourself about Abbott's motives, he is only going after Thomson because he wants to bring down the Government.
Do you really want this "get power at any cost" scumbag running the country.
:wallywink
The (using your words) "scumbag" is better then Gillard and her incompetent friends so yes I would want them in power at this time.
Abbott might not be a great visionary leader but at least he won't push new taxes upon us when the economy is struggling like Swan and Bob Brown currently are.
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Craig Thomson is a legend. No Carbon Tax, No Resources Tax and our good mate Tony will become Prime Minister so he can railroad all the bludgers back into the employment system and of the unemployment benefits. Especially those bludgers who spend all their time surfing at beaches or drinking coffees at the local yuppie cafe.
Would certainly be interesting to watch.
I'll give them 6 months before Turnbull challenges.
:thumbsup
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The political row surrounding the fate of Labor MP Craig Thomson has intensified again after revelations the shadow attorney-general called the New South Wales Police Minister before referring material about the backbencher to police.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-25/brandis-called-police-minister-over-thomson/2854808
Power at any cost. These Liberals wil do anything they can to get rid of the Government.
Doesn't this smell a little off to you all.
:banghead
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The World Wildlife Fund says three planets worth of natural resources will be needed by the middle of this century if current consumption rates continue.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-25/three-planets-resources-population/2854812
Who said we don't need to address the carbob issue.
:banghead
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Would certainly be interesting to watch.
I'll give them 6 months before Turnbull challenges.
:thumbsup
No. Just because you labor supporters are getting nervous with Abbott being leader of the liberals doesn't mean there going to dump him.
Liberals know why there ahead in the polls because they are against this carbon tax. Turnbull agree'd with labor policy and got himself nowhere in the polls. Why would they go back to him? They would try Hockey or someone who hasn't been leader before Turnbull again.
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Who said we don't need to address the carbob issue.
:banghead
Don't you mean "cash for clunkers"? ;D
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TRADE Minister Craig Emerson has savaged Tony Abbott as "a duplicitous hypocrite" after the Opposition Leader called for a debate on steel industry protection while simultaneously declaring his faith in free markets.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/tony-abbott-trips-on-industry-protection/story-fn59noo3-1226124933653
Once again as soon as Tony A strays from his three word slogans and actually talks about policy he shows his ignorance.
The back bench Liberals are starting to get restless.
Watch this space.
:thumbsup
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Coalition 'angst' at Abbott's attitude
BY CHRIS JOHNSON CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
29 Aug, 2011 12:00 AM
Tony Abbott has little trust for his front bench and is paranoid about being double-crossed, according to a number of senior members of his team who have expressed a growing unease over the Opposition Leader's style.
Some shadow ministers as well as numerous backbenchers have told The Canberra Times that Mr Abbott is nervous about many of those around him and that he is making too many unilateral decisions.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/coalition-angst-at-abbotts-attitude/2273068.aspx
Watch this space
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and from the same article...
Mr Windsor said Mr Abbott had told him he would do anything to get his support for government and joked: ''The only thing I wouldn't do is sell my arse - but I'd have to give serious thought to it.''
Mr Abbott denied making the remark.
''I don't speak like that. People who know me know that I don't speak like that,'' he said.
Notice that Tony never actually said that he did not make the comment.
More double-speak from the master of spin.
Watch this space.
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Great to see the high court put a stop to this disaster Malaysia refugee swap policy.
Another policy failure by Gillard. :rollin
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Great to see the high court put a stop to this disaster Malaysia refugee swap policy.
Another policy failure by Gillard. :rollin
Worst government since Kirners labour party :banghead
Somebody call an election FFS! :pray
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Great to see the high court put a stop to this disaster Malaysia refugee swap policy.
Another policy failure by Gillard. :rollin
I'm actually glad as both sides are just pandering to the paranoid loser vote who use immigrants as scapegoats for everything :sleep. We are required to take in 13,500 refugees per year whether there's no boats or 100 boats and the number of boat people has never even got close to that (6,600 is the most IIRC). This of course is out of a total immigration intake of around 170k at the moment. So there's all this fuss over approx. 3% of our immigration intake ::). Both side are willing to waste all this taxpayers money on appeasing the dumb redneck vote who get hysterical at the vision of a rickety old boat bopping in the ocean yet take no notice of a plane-load of asylum seekers as they are sight unseen. Even many of the Tampa asylum seekers who didn't end up in NZ were re-settled in Australia a few years later when everyone had forgotten about them. The whole thing is a political and media driven farce and in time future generations will look back and shake our heads in disgust.
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Great to see the high court put a stop to this disaster Malaysia refugee swap policy.
Another policy failure by Gillard. :rollin
Worst government since Kirners labour party :banghead
Somebody call an election FFS! :pray
Still two years away ;D.
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MT we all know majority of illegal arrivals that got sent to Nauru detention ended up receiving asylum here in Australia.
So the effect of it showing us to be tough that stopped people risking there lives in leaking boats worked.
How the left can claim it was barbaric when there policies couldn't even pass the high court is just hypocritical.
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MT we all know majority of illegal arrivals that got sent to Nauru detention ended up receiving asylum here in Australia.
So the effect of it showing us to be tough that stopped people risking there lives in leaking boats worked.
How the left can claim it was barbaric when there policies couldn't even pass the high court is just hypocritical.
I would say the actual Left were against the "Malaysian solution" just as they were against the "Pacific solution". They are celebrating the High Court decision and would've been involved in setting up the High Court challenge in the first place.
Anyway as far as boat arrivals, there hasn't been a year since 1989 where there have been no boat arrivals at all. Ironically we didn't have mandatory detention in the 80s yet not one boat arrived for 7 straight years! Just shows overseas conflicts play the major role in the number of refugees rather than what pollies in Australia come up with.
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm#_Toc285178607
See there are always people desperate enough to attempt the trip on a rickety old boat whatever policy is around. The numbers were slowly increasing again towards the end of Howard Government when you look at that table so so much for "stopping the boats" ::). Even the current policy (which as I said I disagree with) has reduced the number of boat arrivals from last year yet it's called a failure by those crying "stop the boats". As I said all this fuss and money wasted over a small percentage of our total immigration intake is ridiculous but we all know it's purely about politics - to have the refugees publicly out of sight out of mind and sneak them in through the backdoor so the pollies don't upset anti-immigration losers looking for scapegoats. Yep the pollies really care for the refugees' welfare and safety :chuck.
In the late 70s we had the Vietnamese boat people arriving and there was all this similar hysteria from the same loser-types who needed scapegoats. I know a guy who escaped Vietnam as kid with his family from memory on a overturned bus to get to a boat. He's now a professor and works in the financial sector in Collins St. Damn send him back! ::) We are all either immigrants (5 million Australians) or descended from immigrants. People are a country's greatest asset but it seems we have forgotten that.
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Wayne Swan has won the finance minister of the year award for 2011.
http://www.euromoney.com/Article/2897778/Category/1/ChannelPage/0/Finance-minister-of-the-year-2011-Swan-confounds-his-domestic-sceptics.html
Meanwhile Mr No to everything is already threatening a double dissolution election after the next election if he gets in ::)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/tony-abbott-vows-to-scrap-carbon-scheme-if-elected-to-government/story-fn7x8me2-1226142084432
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"But, beginning with his swift response to stimulate the economy in 2007-08 despite strong opposition at home, Swan has succeeded in getting most of the important decisions right," the magazine said
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/wayne-swan-named-worlds-best-treasurer-by-euromoney-magazine/story-fn59niix-1226142190437 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/wayne-swan-named-worlds-best-treasurer-by-euromoney-magazine/story-fn59niix-1226142190437)
I drive past three primary schools on the way to work and still admire the Gyms that were built as part of the stimulation package. Gyms that will be used by countless generations of students to come.
:thumbsup
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What are you on about?
Gyms in state run schools? PFFT.
Only those whose parents can afford to send them to private schools should have access to such things.
The peasants should only get a half flat medicine ball to play with in a gravelled garden bed...and be grateful for it
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What's with all these tweets on twitter tonight about a Liberal party leadership spill? ???
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What's with all these tweets on twitter tonight about a Liberal party leadership spill? ???
All I came across was this tweet
BREAKING: Campbell Newman dumps Tony Abbott and declares himself Liberal Leader in every Parliament he is not a member of.
:wallywink
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Another Lib in trouble.
"A VICTORIAN Liberal MP will be questioned in court over her house and car being blasted with gunshots over an alleged drug debt owed by her eldest son."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/mp-goes-to-court-over-shooting-20111010-1lhkd.html#ixzz1aPQKW6Hj
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So much for Abbott's claim of the death of the mining industry.
"Olympic Dam mega-mine brings wealth"
"BHP Billiton's plan to create the world's largest open-cut mine in South Australia has won federal and state government development approval, bringing potentially enormous economic benefits"
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/olympic-dam-mega-mine-brings-wealth-and-warnings/story-fn59niix-1226163441647
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THE federal government's carbon pricing package has passed its first hurdle to becoming law.
The lower house held an initial vote on the Clean Energy Future Bill 2011 plus 17 associated bills today evening.
Labor won the vote 74-73.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/first-carbon-bill-passes-lower-house/story-e6frf7jx-1226164154297
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Another Lib in trouble.
"A VICTORIAN Liberal MP will be questioned in court over her house and car being blasted with gunshots over an alleged drug debt owed by her eldest son."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/mp-goes-to-court-over-shooting-20111010-1lhkd.html#ixzz1aPQKW6Hj
Did you even read the article? She's not in trouble she's just being questioned because it was her house that was shot at.
Anyone with there house being shot at would have to give a statement if they push charges on the people for it.
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THE federal government's carbon pricing package has passed its first hurdle to becoming law.
The lower house held an initial vote on the Clean Energy Future Bill 2011 plus 17 associated bills today evening.
Labor won the vote 74-73.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/first-carbon-bill-passes-lower-house/story-e6frf7jx-1226164154297
Did you see the latest Newspoll results MT. Not a good look for Gillard.
A very interesting result is more people trust the issue of climate change with the coalition more then they do to Labor who are trying to claim a great victory on the matter.
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Another Lib in trouble.
"A VICTORIAN Liberal MP will be questioned in court over her house and car being blasted with gunshots over an alleged drug debt owed by her eldest son."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/mp-goes-to-court-over-shooting-20111010-1lhkd.html#ixzz1aPQKW6Hj
Did you even read the article? She's not in trouble she's just being questioned because it was her house that was shot at.
Anyone with there house being shot at would have to give a statement if they push charges on the people for it.
Yeah I know, but it did make a great heading.
Gotta love those sub-editors.
:lol
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THE federal government's carbon pricing package has passed its first hurdle to becoming law.
The lower house held an initial vote on the Clean Energy Future Bill 2011 plus 17 associated bills today evening.
Labor won the vote 74-73.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/first-carbon-bill-passes-lower-house/story-e6frf7jx-1226164154297
Did you see the latest Newspoll results MT. Not a good look for Gillard.
A very interesting result is more people trust the issue of climate change with the coalition more then they do to Labor who are trying to claim a great victory on the matter.
The election is still two years away and the Carbon Tax will not be an issue by then.
Why else has Abbott been so desperate to postpone it until after the next election.
He knows that it is not as bad as he has been saying.
:thumbsup
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THE federal government's carbon pricing package has passed its first hurdle to becoming law.
The lower house held an initial vote on the Clean Energy Future Bill 2011 plus 17 associated bills today evening.
Labor won the vote 74-73.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/first-carbon-bill-passes-lower-house/story-e6frf7jx-1226164154297
Did you see the latest Newspoll results MT. Not a good look for Gillard.
A very interesting result is more people trust the issue of climate change with the coalition more then they do to Labor who are trying to claim a great victory on the matter.
The election is still two years away and the Carbon Tax will not be an issue by then.
Why else has Abbott been so desperate to postpone it until after the next election.
He knows that it is not as bad as he has been saying.
:thumbsup
Lefty's like to think that. But people are sick of this government and are tuning out.
Your also forgetting Gillard is going to have to defend every price rise in food,water, electricity everything because of this tax.
It's not going to be an easy battle. I think thats main reason Rudd won in 07 because prices kept going up under Howard.
Can someone come in and make an impact on cost of living is questionable Rudd couldnt do it. But people are willing to vote for change if they believe the current people aren't helping.
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It sums up the modern media that the biggest news item of the day isn't the passing of the Carbon legislation through the lower house but Julia and Kev having a kiss afterwards :wallywink.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/carbon-tax-bills-pass-lower-house-of-federal-parliament/story-fn7x8me2-1226164570957
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Today is a shameful day in the history of Australian Politics. Abbott should rescind this garbage when he comes to power and if the Greens oppose in the senate he should call a double dissolution and we can finally see the end of the Greens in Australia.
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Today is a shameful day in the history of Australian Politics. Abbott should rescind this garbage when he comes to power and if the Greens oppose in the senate he should call a double dissolution and we can finally see the end of the Greens in Australia.
Don't kid yourself.
He will not change the carbon tax if he gets elected. It will cost too much to undo the tax.
I fear you might find the Greens will be stronger after the next election not weaker.
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I fear you might find the Greens will be stronger after the next election not weaker.
Not sure about stronger but I can't see any of there voter base moving away from them.
Unless ALP pull a big rabbit out of the bag there Carbon tax is going to leak middle ground to Liberals and there asylum seeking human deportation policy is going to leak the last of the left voters to the greens.
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I fear you might find the Greens will be stronger after the next election not weaker.
Not sure about stronger but I can't see any of there voter base moving away from them.
Unless ALP pull a big rabbit out of the bag there Carbon tax is going to leak middle ground to Liberals and there asylum seeking human deportation policy is going to leak the last of the left voters to the greens.
Time will tell.
:cheers
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Putana dishonesto
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Putana dishonesto
Yeah, but Abbott is no better
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An amusing article from The Brisbane Times.
Devious mastermind Mr Rabbit celebrates carbon tax victory
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/blogs/blunt-instrument/devious-mastermind-mr-rabbit-celebrates-carbon-tax-victory-20111013-1llpq.html#ixzz1agl3cgn2
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An amusing article from The Brisbane Times.
Devious mastermind Mr Rabbit celebrates carbon tax victory
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/blogs/blunt-instrument/devious-mastermind-mr-rabbit-celebrates-carbon-tax-victory-20111013-1llpq.html#ixzz1agl3cgn2
and these people get paid to write gibberish BS like that
:banghead
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Carbon tax repeal could cost millions
By Jeremy Thompson
Updated October 18, 2011 12:37:03
A constitutional law expert has warned the Federal Opposition's promise to repeal the carbon price could cost taxpayers millions of dollars.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-18/carbon-tax-repeal-could-cost-billions/3576874
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Carbon tax repeal could cost millions
By Jeremy Thompson
Updated October 18, 2011 12:37:03
A constitutional law expert has warned the Federal Opposition's promise to repeal the carbon price could cost taxpayers millions of dollars.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-18/carbon-tax-repeal-could-cost-billions/3576874
I hate how ALP put in clauses in everything they do(prime example desalination plant). Imagine if Liberals done that with work choices. Liberals have stated though there is a way around alot of these clauses people are claiming that will make them pay millions.
Like it or not this Government went back on a major promise and time after time have been shown to be incompetent thats why there getting beaten in the polls.
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Carbon tax repeal could cost millions
By Jeremy Thompson
Updated October 18, 2011 12:37:03
A constitutional law expert has warned the Federal Opposition's promise to repeal the carbon price could cost taxpayers millions of dollars.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-18/carbon-tax-repeal-could-cost-billions/3576874
I hate how ALP put in clauses in everything they do(prime example desalination plant). Imagine if Liberals done that with work choices. Liberals have stated though there is a way around alot of these clauses people are claiming that will make them pay millions.
Like it or not this Government went back on a major promise and time after time have been shown to be incompetent thats why there getting beaten in the polls.
:blah :blah :blah :blah
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Australians are now the wealthiest people on Earth according to Credit Suisse.
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/10/19/1226171/103452-111020-b-wealth.jpg)
AUSTRALIANS are the world's wealthiest people on a median basis and second in the world behind Switzerland on an average basis, according to a new report.
The Credit Suisse report also notes the European sovereign debt crisis is not expected to stop a new generation of millionaires emerging in the next five years, with the greatest wealth growth likely to occur in the booming Asia-Pacific.
On a median measure Australian adults are worth nearly $US221,704 ($217,559), nearly four times the amount of each US adult.
The proportion of Australian adults worth more than $US100,000 is eight times the global average.
The high wealth rate in Australia is attributed to the strong Australian dollar, property ownership levels and a robust labour market.
Australia also has one of the highest home ownership rates in the world, with property making up about 65 per cent of consumers' wealth.
The Credit Suisse Global Wealth report shows worldwide wealth is estimated at $US231 trillion and is forecast to hit $US314 trillion by 2016, despite the current market upheaval.
The report says there are 27.9 million millionaires in the world, of which Australia accounts for 4 per cent.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/were-the-richest-nation-on-earth-according-to-a-credit-suisse-report/story-e6frg926-1226171128694
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BHP unearths record quarter for iron ore, oil and gas
by: Matt Chambers
From:The Australian
October 20, 201112:00AM
BHP Billiton has delivered record quarterly production and sales from its big West Australian iron ore operations, as it starts working to nearly triple iron ore output.
In the September quarter, the big miner also logged record quarterly oil and gas production after $US20 billion worth of US shale gas acquisitions this year.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/bhp-unearths-record-quarter-for-iron-ore-oil-and-gas/story-fn91v9q3-1226171135631
So much for Tony's claim of the death of the mining industry.
Time to stop believing the crap that comes out of Tony Abbott.
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Abbott signals shift on China
Katharine Murphy
October 20, 2011
TONY Abbott has signalled that talks for a landmark free trade agreement with China - launched more than five years ago by John Howard - will be put on the backburner if the Coalition wins the next election.
The Opposition Leader has indicated that Japan would be a higher priority than China, because Japan is a pluralist democracy and a ''vastly more'' market-based economy than its near neighbour.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-signals-shift-on-china-20111019-1m86n.html#ixzz1bFtZWzec
Now Tony is going to ignore one of the most important countries in the world.
When will people wake up to this moron.
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Carbon tax repeal could cost millions
By Jeremy Thompson
Updated October 18, 2011 12:37:03
A constitutional law expert has warned the Federal Opposition's promise to repeal the carbon price could cost taxpayers millions of dollars.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-18/carbon-tax-repeal-could-cost-billions/3576874
I hate how ALP put in clauses in everything they do(prime example desalination plant). Imagine if Liberals done that with work choices. Liberals have stated though there is a way around alot of these clauses people are claiming that will make them pay millions.
Like it or not this Government went back on a major promise and time after time have been shown to be incompetent thats why there getting beaten in the polls.
All Pollies lie all the time especially prior to elections - Never ever GST (1996), Children overboard (2001), Abbott's promise of no rise in the medicare safety net as well as no mention of workchoices (2004), supporting the introduction a carbon ETS (2007) and for 10 years and going into the 2010 election the Libs supported sending asylum seekers to a non-UN refugee signatory (which Nauru was until just recently) as well as wanting to turn around boats to a non-UN refugee signatory (Indonesia) yet now they are suddenly pro-UN just because Gillard now does support offshore processing (Malaysia). No party holds the high moral ground are far as telling the truth.
Ted Baillieu and Vic Libs in opposition claimed speed camera were just revenue raisers, were against the desal plant, were against Miki :P, were against the regional rail link, etc and yet in Government have done a back-flip on all of them and kept them as is. They also promised less spin and yet have had more do-nothing committees into these things than even under the previous Labor Brumby Government. Sheesh we've now got both sides copying each other's press releases word for word in Victoria :wallywink.
As for Abbott repealing the Carbon Tax - I could be wrong but I thought you couldn't seek a double dissolution until the new Senate is installed. Now the next election will be late 2013 which means the new Senate won't be installed until mid-2014. By the time a carbon tax repealing bill is rejected twice in both houses (minimum 3 months between each vote) it'll be near enough 2015 which is the year the carbon tax will end anyway and we move to an ETS. So are we going to waste millions going to an early election to repeal something that is about to finish anyhow :wallywink. That's of course ignoring political pressure from business arcing up about having paid already for carbon permits and the uncertainty Abbott is creating. They have already stated electricity prices will rise thanks to Abbott and he's offering no compensation to anyone. In fact he wants to introduce a brand new $1,300 per year direct action tax on every household.
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All Pollies lie all the time especially prior to elections - Never ever GST (1996), Children overboard (2001), Abbott's promise of no rise in the medicare safety net as well as no mention of workchoices (2004), supporting the introduction a carbon ETS (2007) and for 10 years and going into the 2010 election the Libs supported sending asylum seekers to a non-UN refugee signatory (which Nauru was until just recently) as well as wanting to turn around boats to a non-UN refugee signatory (Indonesia) yet now they are suddenly pro-UN just because Gillard now does support offshore processing (Malaysia). No party holds the high moral ground are far as telling the truth.
Ted Baillieu and Vic Libs in opposition claimed speed camera were just revenue raisers, were against the desal plant, were against Miki :P, were against the regional rail link, etc and yet in Government have done a back-flip on all of them and kept them as is. They also promised less spin and yet have had more do-nothing committees into these things than even under the previous Labor Brumby Government. Sheesh we've now got both sides copying each other's press releases word for word in Victoria :wallywink.
As for Abbott repealing the Carbon Tax - I could be wrong but I thought you couldn't seek a double dissolution until the new Senate is installed. Now the next election will be late 2013 which means the new Senate won't be installed until mid-2014. By the time a carbon tax repealing bill is rejected twice in both houses (minimum 3 months between each vote) it'll be near enough 2015 which is the year the carbon tax will end anyway and we move to an ETS. So are we going to waste millions going to an early election to repeal something that is about to finish anyhow :wallywink. That's of course ignoring political pressure from business arcing up about having paid already for carbon permits and the uncertainty Abbott is creating. They have already stated electricity prices will rise thanks to Abbott and he's offering no compensation to anyone. In fact he wants to introduce a brand new $1,300 per year direct action tax on every household.
I think we need an inquiry to look into all of that ;D :thumbsup
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All Pollies lie all the time especially prior to elections - Never ever GST (1996)
MT the difference was Howard changed his mind and took it to an election.
The 1998 election was basically a referendum on the GST. How about Gillard take a page out of Howards book and take it to an election now she's changed her mind and wants a carbon tax.
As for Abbott repealing the Carbon Tax - I could be wrong but I thought you couldn't seek a double dissolution until the new Senate is installed. Now the next election will be late 2013 which means the new Senate won't be installed until mid-2014. By the time a carbon tax repealing bill is rejected twice in both houses (minimum 3 months between each vote) it'll be near enough 2015 which is the year the carbon tax will end anyway and we move to an ETS.
I think the liberals are hoping that if they win the election ALP senator's will admit this issue has hurt them and will vote with the liberal government. Like the Liberals did with ALP on repealing work choices after their defeat.
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I think the liberals are hoping that if they win the election ALP senator's will admit this issue has hurt them and will vote with the liberal government. Like the Liberals did with ALP on repealing work choices after their defeat.
More nonsense.
The vote was 80 to 58 in favour of the bill to repeal workchoices.
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;page=0;query=work%20choices;rec=0;resCount=Default
The link lists the negative votes if you want to check the names (Mr Abbott is first on the list)
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1965 please explain why Gillard won't take her Carbon tax to an election like Howard did when he changed his mind about the GST? If this is as good as policy as she is saying it will be Im sure people will vote for it like they did on the GST.
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1965 please explain why Gillard won't take her Carbon tax to an election like Howard did when he changed his mind about the GST? If this is as good as policy as she is saying it will be Im sure people will vote for it like they did on the GST.
More made up crap.
Howard had no choice but to go to an election (his three years were up)
The next election Gillard has to call is not for another two years.
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1965 please explain why Gillard won't take her Carbon tax to an election like Howard did when he changed his mind about the GST? If this is as good as policy as she is saying it will be Im sure people will vote for it like they did on the GST.
More made up crap.
Howard had no choice but to go to an election (his three years were up)
The next election Gillard has to call is not for another two years.
He could of implemented it through his first term but he choose to actually bring forward the election and give people a choice.
1965 Im not going to get bogged down in a debate with you. The polls show common voters are not in favour of this tax or ALP. So for someone to advocate for Gillard and this tax it kind of makes me feel that your an ALP member or life long support so debating isn't going to change your opinion no matter what the facts are.
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He could of implemented it through his first term but he choose to actually bring forward the election and give people a choice.
1965 Im not going to get bogged down in a debate with you. The polls show common voters are not in favour of this tax or ALP. So for someone to advocate for Gillard and this tax it kind of makes me feel that your an ALP member or life long support so debating isn't going to change your opinion no matter what the facts are.
True but the next election is two years away.
The carbon tax will be a non-issue by then.
:thumbsup
And I am a swinging voter, always have been, always will be.
I just hate the anti-everything, destroy parliament attitude from the Libs at the moment. It's all just reeks of desperation to force an election so they can gain power at any cost. Like it or not this hung parliament is with us for another two years. And after all of their negativity they had the nerve to say they expected Labor to vote with a future Abbott government to repeal the carbon tax laws.
:cheers
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Even Richo ALP powerbroker has admitted ALP won't win the next election.
If Abbott is that bad you say it just reflects even worse on ALP it shows how truly bad they are if they can't be more favoured then Liberals.
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Even Richo ALP powerbroker has admitted ALP won't win the next election.
If Abbott is that bad you say it just reflects even worse on ALP it shows how truly bad they are if they can't be more favoured then Liberals.
Do you mean the former ALP powerbroker Graham Richardson now current bitter and twisted commentator?
And it shows how gullible the masses are that blindly believe the lies Abbott has been telling.
Only a matter of time before the Libs implode. There are lots of Lib backbenchers that don't like what's going on but are prepared to bide their time.
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Richardson has even admitted he was a link man between the fractions on the down fall of Rudd.
His only bitter because he took credit for having played a role in the down fall and its now all imploded on there face's with her incompetence.
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Richardson has even admitted he was a link man between the fractions on the down fall of Rudd.
His only bitter because he took credit for having played a role in the down fall and its now all imploded on there face's with her incompetence.
Same old lines are a good fall back when you can't debate a point.
:blah :blah :blah
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My point has always been Gillard should take the Carbon tax to an election like Howard did when he changed his mind on wanting a GST.
I agree with Richo I can't see them winning at the next election. I also can't see a point if they block repealing the tax in the senate. If they lose this election the quicker they accept policy failure the quicker they can move on and be an alternative.
Now will Gillard be dumped or be told to step down before next election I believe there is a high possibility of happening.
Her word is shot and would be toxic on a campaign trail. They need someone to come in that could save them from being annihilated.
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My point has always been Gillard should take the Carbon tax to an election like Howard did when he changed his mind on wanting a GST.
Once again you are being misleading, Howard didn't take the GST to an election. The election fell due before he could legislate.
I agree with Richo I can't see them winning at the next election. I also can't see a point if they block repealing the tax in the senate. If they lose this election the quicker they accept policy failure the quicker they can move on and be an alternative.
So why is Abbott currently doing exactly the same thing that you don't want Labor to do after the next election?
Now will Gillard be dumped or be told to step down before next election I believe there is a high possibility of happening.
Her word is shot and would be toxic on a campaign trail. They need someone to come in that could save them from being annihilated.
Ahhh "toxic" another Abbott cliche.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
:cheers
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Once again you are being misleading, Howard didn't take the GST to an election. The election fell due before he could legislate.
Check the facts 1965 he brang the election forward and he could of introduced the GST any time in his first term but he waited till the election to seek a mandate.
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1965 please explain why Gillard won't take her Carbon tax to an election like Howard did when he changed his mind about the GST? If this is as good as policy as she is saying it will be Im sure people will vote for it like they did on the GST.
tiger101, when Howard became leader he said the GST was dead, would never happen.
Then they were in a position to not lose an election he rolled it out. Yes he went to the polls on it but the poll he faced was one he was never going to lose.... Facts are he lied to the public he said it would never happen but he changed his mind and in it came.
And BTW never forget that the only way they got the GST through the senate was by doing a deal with the Democrats who held the balance of power back then. Sound familiar ;D
Howard also promised he & his govt would not abuse the power they had when the controlled both houses. Sadly he lied on that one when he implemented Workchoices, like Gillard he didn't have the courage to go to an election over it ... he snuck it through the back door but I suppose that's OK.... ;D
The other thing I find amusing in this debate is back 2007 Rudd was elected on a number of election promises. One of which was a ETS.
In 2007 the ALP won with a clear majority, a mandate I think some like to call it. Everyone keeps sooking that the current Govt doesn't have a mandate to bring in a Carbon Tax but forget that when they had a clear mandate they were not allowed to use that mandate to bring in an ETS because of the then opposition's objections (after they knifed their leader) and having the votes in the senate .... Mandates mean very little in politics sometimes ;D
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tiger101, when Howard became leader he said the GST was dead, would never happen.
Then they were in a position to not lose an election he rolled it out. Yes he went to the polls on it but the poll he faced was one he was never going to lose.... Facts are he lied to the public he said it would never happen but he changed his mind and in it came.
Fact is he changed his mind and took it to an election and gave people a vote and he won.
You can spin it anyway you want but the fact stands he took it to an election before implemented it.
Howard also promised he & his govt would not abuse the power they had when the controlled both houses. Sadly he lied on that one when he implemented Workchoices, like Gillard he didn't have the courage to go to an election over it ... he snuck it through the back door but I suppose that's OK.... ;D
You are correct he didn't tell the public his policy before implementing it but look how that turned out.
Not a good sign to use as an example.
The other thing I find amusing in this debate is back 2007 Rudd was elected on a number of election promises. One of which was a ETS.
In 2007 the ALP won with a clear majority, a mandate I think some like to call it. Everyone keeps sooking that the current Govt doesn't have a mandate to bring in a Carbon Tax but forget that when they had a clear mandate they were not allowed to use that mandate to bring in an ETS because of the then opposition's objections (after they knifed their leader) and having the votes in the senate .... Mandates mean very little in politics sometimes ;D
Yes Rudd won a mandate and Gillard could claim it to still be a mandate if she didn't change the party policy in the campaign and promise no carbon tax.
So as she stated the ALP policy for a future government if they won was no carbon tax but once she was declared prime minister she quickly ran off and appeared in a public conference with the greens and said we now will have a carbon tax.
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Fact is he changed his mind and took it to an election and gave people a vote and he won.
You can spin it anyway you want but the fact stands he took it to an election before implemented it.
Never ever means never ever. Whether Howard took it to a subsequent election or not later on is irrelevant. He told porkies before the 1996 election to get into office.
Yes Rudd won a mandate and Gillard could claim it to still be a mandate if she didn't change the party policy in the campaign and promise no carbon tax.
So as she stated the ALP policy for a future government if they won was no carbon tax but once she was declared prime minister she quickly ran off and appeared in a public conference with the greens and said we now will have a carbon tax.
The Libs as well as Labor supported introducing an ETS going into the 2007 election. Rudd and Turnbull were in agreement on an ETS and would've made the few Greens and the independents who held the balance of power in the Senate back then irrelevant but the Libs broke their 2007 election promise first once Abbott became leader. All pollies and parties tell fibs for political gain. With Labor now as a minority government, the Libs opposing everything including some of their own policies under Abbott and the Greens having sole balance of power in the Senate, circumstances have changed. A temporary 3-year carbon tax, which will be gone by the election after the 2013 one, was required to get to an ETS. No real difference to Howard having to modify and compromise on his GST plans to get Meg Lees and the Democrats to allow it through the Senate.
In any case Abbott's policies are starting to unravel as reality doesn't care much for blind ideology and negativity. First wanting to repeal the carbon tax is getting business very concerned as the uncertainty he plans to create will drive up electricity prices with no compensation to counter it while the Navy has torpedoed his asylum seeker plans of turning the boats around to Indonesia who don't want them - it's not 2001 anymore Tony! Of course Phoney Tony still thinks he knows more than expert scientists, economists and even the Australia Navy ::).
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A very intersting article about the reality of the bed Tony A is making for himself.
Abbott cooks up a climate pickle
by: Dennis Shanahan, Political Editor
From:The Australian
October 21, 201112:00AM
TONY Abbott's core promise to rescind the carbon tax is the second issue creating a policy and political problem for him as a result of behaving like a government in exile and doing everything possible to force an early election. That determination to destroy the Gillard government is costing the Coalition credibility as an alternative government, which has the power to erode its overwhelming electoral support.
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After obstructing and frustrating Labor policy in an effort to force an early election, the argument that a Coalition victory would give Labor a moral imperative to support the end of the tax is a bit of a stretch. The argument that it is not the job of the opposition to help implement government policy is as valid for the ALP as it is for the Coalition.
full article at http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/abbott-cooks-up-a-climate-pickle/story-e6frgd0x-1226172246756
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More negativity from Tony A.
I wonder how many voters have experienced the pain of living with a problem gambler.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-26/abbott-predicts-pokies-repeal/3600604
Abbott talks up opposition to pokies reform
By Michael Edwards and staff
Updated October 26, 2011 09:59:57
Mr Abbott told a rally of more than 1,000 people at the Campbelltown RSL in south-western Sydney last night that problem gambling was an individual issue which can be dealt with by counselling.
He described the pre-commitment legislation as bad law that could not be supported by any sensible party.
"When this legislation comes before the Parliament I predict that we will oppose it," he said.
"And if this legislation is passed by the Parliament and if we then subsequently form a government, I predict we will rescind it. That's what I predict."
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I seen in the latest poll opposition to the tax has jumped six percentage points to 59 per cent, while support for the tax has fallen four points to 32 per cent.
Seem's like majority of the population don't agree with this tax.
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Tony A is either an absolute fool or he is playing more games with the truth.
Of course it won't fix problem gamblers but it will help minimise the impact of problem gamblers.
Is there no end to the lies and mis-truths that this man will say just to get power.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/tony-abbott-should-think-of-pokies-social-harm/story-e6frf7jx-1226177019415
Tony Abbott should think of pokies' social harm
From: AAP October 26, 2011 10:37AM
OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott needs to think about the social consequences of problem gambling, says Employment Minister Chris Evans.
Mr Abbott has told a forum of more than 1000 club supporters that he will scrap Labor's proposed poker machine reforms.
Speaking to the packed rally at Campbelltown RSL, southwest of Sydney, last night, Mr Abbott said mandatory limits on pokie machines would not "fix'' problem gamblers.
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Tony A is either an absolute fool or he is playing more games with the truth.
Of course it won't fix problem gamblers but it will help minimise the impact of problem gamblers.
Is there no end to the lies and mis-truths that this man will say just to get power.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/tony-abbott-should-think-of-pokies-social-harm/story-e6frf7jx-1226177019415
Tony Abbott should think of pokies' social harm
From: AAP October 26, 2011 10:37AM
OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott needs to think about the social consequences of problem gambling, says Employment Minister Chris Evans.
Mr Abbott has told a forum of more than 1000 club supporters that he will scrap Labor's proposed poker machine reforms.
Speaking to the packed rally at Campbelltown RSL, southwest of Sydney, last night, Mr Abbott said mandatory limits on pokie machines would not "fix'' problem gamblers.
OMG... ::) Heck I'll bite. ;D "Oh Okay, I'm a problem gambler and I choose to impose a $10,000 mandatory pre-commitment upon myself even though I only earn 500 a week. There! problem solved! And if I blow all my dough the goverment will look at my stats and go...." "hey He's only spending 500 a week on gambling yet he's budgeted for 10 gorilla's!! Well done Joe public, you no longer have a gabling problem and this reform has been proven to be an absolute success!" :banghead :banghead 65 you know as well as I do that the only reason why this ridiculous reform is going through is that Wilkie threatened to pull his support for the current government if it doesn't go through. For all those problem gamblers that find this too hard, they will just end up going online or the TAB or on-track.
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OMG... ::) Heck I'll bite. ;D "Oh Okay, I'm a problem gambler and I choose to impose a $10,000 mandatory pre-commitment upon myself even though I only earn 500 a week. There! problem solved! And if I blow all my dough the goverment will look at my stats and go...." "hey He's only spending 500 a week on gambling yet he's budgeted for 10 gorilla's!! Well done Joe public, you no longer have a gabling problem and this reform has been proven to be an absolute success!" :banghead :banghead 65 you know as well as I do that the only reason why this ridiculous reform is going through is that Wilkie threatened to pull his support for the current government if it doesn't go through. For all those problem gamblers that find this too hard, they will just end up going online or the TAB or on-track.
This "ridiculous reform" was recommended by the productivity commission.
and I quote:
The Productivity Commission is the Australian Government's independent research and advisory body on a range of economic, social and environmental issues affecting the welfare of Australians.
Its role, expressed simply, is to help governments make better policies in the long term interest of the Australian community.
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OMG... ::) Heck I'll bite. ;D "Oh Okay, I'm a problem gambler and I choose to impose a $10,000 mandatory pre-commitment upon myself even though I only earn 500 a week. There! problem solved! And if I blow all my dough the goverment will look at my stats and go...." "hey He's only spending 500 a week on gambling yet he's budgeted for 10 gorilla's!! Well done Joe public, you no longer have a gabling problem and this reform has been proven to be an absolute success!" :banghead :banghead 65 you know as well as I do that the only reason why this ridiculous reform is going through is that Wilkie threatened to pull his support for the current government if it doesn't go through. For all those problem gamblers that find this too hard, they will just end up going online or the TAB or on-track.
I think we should do more to help gambling addicts but you cant push mandates onto them at casino's because they'll just stay home and gamble over the net where they might not be able to find the help they need to tackle there addiction.
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I actually agree with Abbott :gobdrop on the point that the reform will not "fix" the gambling problem.
Reality is this "reform" wont solve the problem, the individual has to want to fix the problem.
Just like any other addict
And if a gambling addict really wants to gamble they will find a way to do it reform legislation or no reform legislation ... sad? Yep but fact
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I actually agree with Abbott :gobdrop on the point that the reform will not "fix" the gambling problem.
Reality is this "reform" wont solve the problem, the individual has to want to fix the problem.
Just like any other addict
And if a gambling addict really wants to gamble they will find a way to do it reform legislation or no reform legislation ... sad? Yep but fact
Hear here WP, Hear here :clapping
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Is Tony going to actually recind the pokies law or is he only going to predict he will :wallywink.
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Is Tony going to actually recind the pokies law or is he only going to predict he will :wallywink.
I think Julia and swan have proven that outright lying to the general population about policy is political suicide, so it looks like Abbot has decided to go "grey" on this one. :rollin Nothing like having a backdoor that doesn't squeak. ;D
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Is Tony going to actually recind the pokies law or is he only going to predict he will :wallywink.
From what Windsor and Oakeshott have said they might not pass it. So Abbott could be just saying all this to put more heat on Gillard in caucus because there's NSW ALP MP's that don't support this policy either.
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tiga, tiger101
A simple question and a slighter harder one.
1. Do you think we as a society have a gamling problem?
2. What in your humble opinion is the solution?
'65
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tiga, tiger101
A simple question and a slighter harder one.
1. Do you think we as a society have a gamling problem?
2. What in your humble opinion is the solution?
'65
I think we do have an issue with Gambling addicts in society.
The only solution to helping addicts is to have people around them that can offer help and be there when addicts reach out.
Pushing people onto the internet to gamble doesn't do this.
Proof is like drug addicts. Drugs are illegal but it doesnt stop them from using them. So why would mandating pokie loses stop people gambling large amounts on the internet or at the race track.
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tiga, tiger101
A simple question and a slighter harder one.
1. Do you think we as a society have a gamling problem?
2. What in your humble opinion is the solution?
'65
I think we do have an issue with Gambling addicts in society.
The only solution to helping addicts is to have people around them that can offer help and be there when addicts reach out.
Pushing people onto the internet to gamble doesn't do this.
Proof is like drug addicts. Drugs are illegal but it doesnt stop them from using them. So why would mandating pokie loses stop people gambling large amounts on the internet or at the race track.
But will it do any harm?
The clubs think it will. They are worried about the million dollar profits being eroded.
I think the maxium $1 bet concept is worth considering.
Might be a better solution, maybe?
:cheers
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65 to answer your questions,
1. Yes I do believe we have a gambling problem. I have seen it first hand in a family member who is no longer with us.
2. A solution? I like the AA system with sponsors. We need to let them know that there is support out there and if this support comes from people who have been there and are coming out the other side, I believe it would make a much bigger difference than imposing restrictions on one particular medium of gambling.
The clubs will be affected by the proposed policy. They are not just gambling dens. Clubs are a great place for people to socialise and have a cheap meal or maybe a game of snooker or darts. For some people in remote communities, the local club is all they have and the only place where they can go out for the night and still have change from a $50 note.
As Tiger101 said, hard core gamblers will move off to other forms of unrestricted gambling which provide zero towards the community unlike clubs who really do make a positive difference to some peoples lives.
FWIW, the family member I mentioned very rarely played the pokies. I'll leave it at that for the moment.
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65 to answer your questions,
1. Yes I do believe we have a gambling problem. I have seen it first hand in a family member who is no longer with us.
2. A solution? I like the AA system with sponsors. We need to let them know that there is support out there and if this support comes from people who have been there and are coming out the other side, I believe it would make a much bigger difference than imposing restrictions on one particular medium of gambling.
The clubs will be affected by the proposed policy. They are not just gambling dens. Clubs are a great place for people to socialise and have a cheap meal or maybe a game of snooker or darts. For some people in remote communities, the local club is all they have and the only place where they can go out for the night and still have change from a $50 note.
As Tiger101 said, hard core gamblers will move off to other forms of unrestricted gambling which provide zero towards the community unlike clubs who really do make a positive difference to some peoples lives.
FWIW, the family member I mentioned very rarely played the pokies. I'll leave it at that for the moment.
All paid for by preying on the problem gamblers of society. The people who lose all of their money are subsidising your cheap meals.
Can't you see that?
'65
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So '65 please tell me how this reform will fix the gambling problem?
It wont because as I said before addicts will always find a way to gamble, they have to want to stop
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So '65 please tell me how this reform will fix the gambling problem?
It wont because as I said before addicts will always find a way to gamble, they have to want to stop
Allright a bit of personal info.
I am married to a health professional that works with the elderly in society.
She has seen first hand people trapped into a pokie addiction.
People who cannot turn to online gambling because they don't know how to use a computer.
People who have the local club as part of their lives.
The mandatory commitment I am not sold on.
But a simple $1 limit per push of the button on a Pokie machine can reduce the losses from $1200 per hour to $120 per hour.
Do the Maths.
The clubs are anti this because they know it will cost them profits.
'65
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Matthew 21:12-13
12 Geez entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.
13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.”
:bow
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It's all just band aid solutions.
Addiction is addiction. To treat gambling addiction and any other addiction separately is wasteful.
The gambling, alcohol, sex, sugar even, is just how the real problem manifests itself
If you look deeper you find that there is a strong relationship between depression and addiction.
depression, like a number of other diseases most probably related to poor nutrition, is on the increase.
The question is Why?
answer that and you are half way to finding a solution.
To solve any problem, you need to identify the root cause.
By God, pokies are the most boring way to gamble i can think of. :sleep
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Props to you al. Very well put. :clapping
65, not everyone who plays pokies has a gambling addiction. Once or twice a year i have a tap after a game of golf and blow my annual pokie budget of $40 and walk away. Many of the other guys I play golf with at my club do the same. If we lose it doesn't bother us because right in front of us is sitting a $10 prime scotch fillet with all the trimmings. Our Golf club turns the majority of the pokie takings back into benefits for the members. I can assure you that nobody at our club is getting rich from pokie takings. I get the annual report and you can see that the majority of pokie takings go back directly into member benefits and the remainder goes into a building fund.
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I thought Tony A was predicting the demise of the Mining Industry and of the Coal industry in particular?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/bhp-gives-go-ahead-for-4bn-coking-coal-project/story-fn91v9q3-1226183010235
BHP gives go-ahead for $4bn coking coal project
by: Matt Chambers
From:The Australian
November 02, 201112:00AM
BHP Billiton has approved the $US4.2 billion ($4bn) construction of the Caval Ridge coking coalmine in Queensland and expansion of the nearby Peak Downs mine, as it tries to ramp up output by 80 per cent by the end of the decade.
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Losing a battle, change the subject. Works every time! ::) There really is no point in discussing anything with you anymore 65. You have one focus only and that is the total destruction of Tony Abbott or should we call him Dr Richard Kimble. ;D We offer discussion and all you do is rant rant, quote, rant. You never consider that anyone else who opposes your anti Abbott sprays might have a valid opinion. You really are starting to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04
I think its time you find someone else to hate....
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Losing a battle, change the subject. Works every time! ::) There really is no point in discussing anything with you anymore 65. You have one focus only and that is the total destruction of Tony Abbott or should we call him Dr Richard Kimble. ;D We offer discussion and all you do is rant rant, quote, rant. You never consider that anyone else who opposes your anti Abbott sprays might have a valid opinion. You really are starting to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04
I think its time you find someone else to hate....
Tony A will go down in history as the most divisive opposition leader in Australia's history.
:cheers
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By God, pokies are the most boring way to gamble i can think of. :sleep
Spot on al. I don't see the attraction of pressing a button 100s of times :sleep. A quick way to do your dough as well as there's no control or thought process. It's not like be able to count cards or doubling up losses on roulette's odds/evens or red/black until your win [Casinos fix upper limits on roulette bets to prevent this so the player loses more often].
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The Carbon Tax legislation has just been passed by the Senate.
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Losing a battle, change the subject. Works every time! ::) There really is no point in discussing anything with you anymore 65. You have one focus only and that is the total destruction of Tony Abbott or should we call him Dr Richard Kimble. ;D We offer discussion and all you do is rant rant, quote, rant. You never consider that anyone else who opposes your anti Abbott sprays might have a valid opinion. You really are starting to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04
I think its time you find someone else to hate....
Tony A will go down in history as the most divisive opposition leader in Australia's history.
:cheers
And a 1000 times better Prime Minister than the clueless one we have running the show at the moment.
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For the Labor Party to win the next election the coalition needs to keep Tony A as it's leader.
Unfortunately this is increasing looking unlikely.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/super-backflip-breaks-dam-for-dr-no/story-e6frg74x-1226189350537
Super backflip breaks dam for Abbott
by: Paul Kelly, Editor-At-Large From:The Australian November
THE Tony Abbott-led Coalition's buckling before Labor's increase in the superannuation guarantee from 9 per cent to 12 per cent is a great victory for the Gillard government and signals the Coalition's admission that its political strategy is off the rails and needs correction.
Why is Abbott vulnerable? He is vulnerable because he has become Dr No, rejecting policies on populist grounds regardless of principle and past Coalition belief. By opposing virtually everything, he cheapens his case and credibility for opposing what matters.
This meant abandonment of Liberal thinking that super contributions should reflect individual choice and the embrace of Labor boosting national savings via compulsion. Many senior Liberals are angry, not just opposition finance spokesman Andrew Robb. Much more will be said about this.
and
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opposition-anger-at-tony-abbotts-policy-consultation/story-fn59niix-1226189467424
Opposition anger at Tony Abbott's policy consultation
by: Matthew Franklin, Chief political correspondent
From:The Australian
November 09, 2011
TONY Abbott faces criticism from within his own party for not seeking frontbench approval for a new anti-dumping policy attacked by Labor as out of step with World Trade Organisation rules.
Several MPs said they were concerned Mr Abbott was not consulting colleagues closely enough in policy formulation and had become too close to the Nationals.
They said an anti-dumping policy released on Monday, which reversed the onus of proof of dumping from Australian companies to their overseas competitors, had not been approved by the opposition front bench.
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and...
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/dr-no-deeper-in-negative-territory/story-e6frgd0x-1226189355642
Dr No deeper in negative territory
by: Peter van Onselen, Contributing editor From:The Australian November 09, 2011
Negative campaigning is starting to do more harm than good. If Abbott doesn't move from a tactical to a strategic approach, the polls will tighten further. Dissatisfaction in Coalition ranks is rife. Because of good polling it has never translated into leadership speculation. If Labor's numbers improve again in time for the start of the final sitting week, on the back of the Obama visit and the passage of the carbon tax, we'll see what happens.
Better still, Labor has all of next year (assuming the government survives) to contrast its plans (for better or worse) with Abbott's miserable (lack of an) alternative
Abbott's policy on IR is non-existent. His strategy to repeal Labor laws looks increasingly shrill and loosely applied. The superannuation backflip may be a sign of things to come. Anger at that decision goes right through the ranks of the parliamentary Liberals.
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This thread has gone a little quiet.
Where are all those right-wing Abbott lovers gone?
:rollin
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All these things dont matter in the end Labor has no electoral credibility. Idi Amin could beat Gillard at an election. Gillard is hopeless and Labor will get Slaughtered. Socialist media types will print crap to try and bring Labor back but Labor is in the hole and thats where they'll be staying for the next 15 years after the next federal election. ;D
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Funny I thought it had gone quiet because nobody really gives a crap about it anymore
:rollin ;D
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Funny I thought it had gone quiet because nobody really gives a crap about it anymore
:rollin ;D
I think most people on here have came to realise that everyone that posts on a topic like this already has there mind made up and most likely not going to change it.
I also agree with 10 Flags. Gillard has no credibility left. She'll be toxic on a campaign trail let alone being the face of one as a leader. The liberals will be able to trap her by simply asking her if she is going to introduce any new taxes she can't say yes and even if she does promise not to no one will believe her.
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I wonder who will be leader of the coalition going into the next election.
The word I get is that it won't be Tony A.
Watch this space.
:thumbsup
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Funny I thought it had gone quiet because nobody really gives a crap about it anymore
:rollin ;D
And you don't think the general public will think the same thing after the "big new toxic tax" is introduced and there are no major changes to their disposable income?
The libs need to dump Abbott if they have any chance of winning in two years time.
:lol
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No wonder the mining industry is complaining about the new tax.
And this from a company worth 50 billion dollars
:lol
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/twiggy-yet-to-pay-company-tax/story-fn59niix-1226190333822
Twiggy yet to pay company tax
by: Ben Packham
From:The Australian
November 09, 20113:35PM
FMG tax manger Marcus Hughes, left, with CEO Andrew Forrest, who admit their company has not paid corporate tax in seven years. Picture: Nirme Marie Source: News Limited
THE most vocal critic of Labor's mining tax, Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest's Fortescue Metals Group, has admitted to paying no company tax during its seven years of operation.
FMG tax manager Marcus Hughes told the House of Representatives' economics committee today said it was "quite reasonable" that the company's billionaire chairman had never signed a corporate tax cheque.
He said the company had written-off its exploration and development costs since it was established in 2003.
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1965 the government can't blame someone for not paying tax.
As Kerry Packer famously said "if anybody in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want their heads read, because as a government, I can tell you you're not spending it that well that we should be donating extra"
The government do need to close up some loop holes the rich and big company's use to get out of paying.
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1965 the government can't blame someone for not paying tax.
As Kerry Packer famously said "if anybody in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want their heads read, because as a government, I can tell you you're not spending it that well that we should be donating extra"
The government do need to close up some loop holes the rich and big company's use to get out of paying.
Isn't that what the Minerals Resource Rent Tax (MRRT) is designed to do.
Does this mean you are coming over to my way of thinking?
:cheers
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Why should successful companies pay tax when they dont need too?
What do you reckon "65"?
I reckon if I have to pay $40,000 a year in taxes these mining bastards should pay tax as well.
I know some of you are too young to pay taxes but...
:banghead
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Why should successful companies pay tax when they dont need too?
What do you reckon "65"?
I reckon if I have to pay $40,000 a year in taxes these mining bastards should pay tax as well.
I know some of you are too young to pay taxes but...
:banghead
LOL - Its alright 65. This site needs a fishing emoticon :cheers
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Why should successful companies pay tax when they dont need too?
What do you reckon "65"?
I reckon if I have to pay $40,000 a year in taxes these mining bastards should pay tax as well.
I know some of you are too young to pay taxes but...
:banghead
You do know they still paid tax. Its not like they didn't pay 1cent
http://www.fmgl.com.au/IRM/Company/ShowPage.aspx/PDFs/2458-97210499/2011AnnualReport
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Why should successful companies pay tax when they dont need too?
What do you reckon "65"?
I reckon if I have to pay $40,000 a year in taxes these mining bastards should pay tax as well.
I know some of you are too young to pay taxes but...
:banghead
I'm young, and it's my belief that I shouldnt have to pay taxes.
The world owes me a living.
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They pay state royalities but not Federal company tax. I love how those in smaller population states cry about losing mining royalty payments by needing to share the mining wealth with the whole country yet are happy for higher populated states to subsidise them with GST revenue. If we are going to act as six separate states instead as a single nation then as a Victorian we'll gladly keep all our GST receipts thank you.
As for the Carbon Tax - it's here (well in law) and nothing is going to change either parties position even though there's still almost 2 years until the next Federal election. A long way to go yet and anything including new big issues could and probably will pop up before late-2013.
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Abbott is a dead man walking.
:thumbsup
Party discontent simmers over Abbott's populism
by: Peter van Onselen, Contributing Editor
From:The Australian
November 12, 201112:00AM
Costello's speech had a theme calling on Liberals to be bold and not succumb to populism at the expense of "ideological ballast", as one attendee put it.
The chatter on the night was that, without naming him, Costello was directing his remarks at Tony Abbott's failures to stand on principle in areas such as industrial relations, the superannuation backflip and dumping. While most of the attendees were local Liberal Party branch members, senior Liberals were there too.
Whether Costello's intention was to fire a few barbs in Abbott's direction is less relevant than the assumption that this was what he was doing. It speaks to internal ructions within the opposition that have intensified in recent weeks.
No one should underestimate the significance of the discontent popping up across the parliamentary party. It suggests a team frustrated with a leader who is bypassing the partyroom and not consulting colleagues as he once did.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/party-discontent-simmers-over-abbotts-populism/story-fn53lw5p-1226193068907
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Will the last person leaving this thread please leave a bowl out for 1965.
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Will the last person leaving this thread please leave a bowl out for 1965.
Have you given up defending Abbott?
WOOF :lol
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No conviction was recorded so she can keep her spot in the senate but should she resign.
All the fuss about the Labor backbencher (what was his name) and he still hasn't even been charged.
Liberal senator found guilty of assault
Updated November 18, 2011 11:13:45
Fisher has been found guilty of assault
Liberal senator Mary Jo Fisher has been found guilty of assault but not guilty of shoplifting, in Adelaide Magistrates Court.
But the magistrate has not recorded a conviction, so the Senator is assured of retaining her place in the Upper House.
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1965 wake up to your self. The women is suffering a disease and you use it to push your political agenda.
Plus don't try and defend the FWA absolute farce of the investigation over a union rep using union membership fee money for hookers.
Fisher's treating psychiatrist also gave evidence at trial that the senator had depression and anxiety that manifested in an extreme panic attack on December 15 last year.
Dr Brian McKenny said the incident was a "major psychological event" for Fisher and attributed it to a combination of stress and a recent change in her medication.
He said potential side-effects of changing medication included feeling vague and increased anxiety for a short period.
"(Ms) Fisher clearly wasn't well on that day in terms of depression," he said.
Today Magistrate Kym Boxall cleared Fisher of stealing goods from the supermarket at Frewville last year.
But Mr Boxall said Fisher did use force against store security officer Cathryn Groot.
He did not record a conviction or impose a penalty.
Mr Boxall said Fisher assaulted Ms Groot as she tried to leave the premises by pushing her out of the way of her car and slamming the driver's side door into Ms Groot's arm several times.
Mr Boxall said Fisher did so in the context of suffering from a panic attack and the associated symptoms, and was seeking personal space.
Under the Commonwealth Constitution, if an MP is convicted of an offence that has a penalty of imprisonment of at least a year, they are disqualified from holding office.
About a million Australians experience depression and two million suffer some form of anxiety disorder, depression initiative Beyondblue says.
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1965 wake up to your self. The women is suffering a disease and you use it to push your political agenda.
Plus don't try and defend the FWA absolute farce of the investigation over a union rep using union membership fee money for hookers.
The trial was told the MP was suffering from a panic attack, but a second medical expert called late in the proceedings questioned that defence.
Mr Boxall said he accepted Fisher's evidence that she had a panic attack in the store, but he was satisfied that she was conscious of what she was doing when she made physical contact with the security officer.
And another Doctor questioned the panic attack defence and the Magistrate ruled that she knew what she was doing when she assaulted the officer.
Get your blinkers off.
We have one MP that was vilified all around even before he was charged and yet a Liberal Senator is charged and found guilty and yet she is defended.
Hypocrite.
:cheers
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Article says it all. Worth a read.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-19/extreme-weather-to-worsen-with-climate-change/3681686
Extreme weather to worsen with climate change: UN
Updated November 19, 2011 17:24:36
An increase in heat waves is almost certain, while heavier rainfall, more floods, stronger cyclones, landslides and more intense droughts are likely across the globe this century as the Earth's climate warms, UN scientists say.
In a report released in Uganda on Friday, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) urged countries to make disaster management plans to adapt to the growing risk of extreme weather linked to human-induced climate change.
The report gives differing probabilities for weather events based on future greenhouse gas emissions scenarios, but the thrust is that extreme weather is likely to increase and that the likely cause is humans.
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I don't think that will change any of the denialists' minds '65 as they don't support the IPCC or its findings. It's all a conspiracy theory. In any case the carbon tax is in law now so the political debate will die down for a bit until mid-2012. It'll be interesting to see if the next few polls continue to close up.
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Trouble in Abbott's paradise. He is a dead man walking. :thumbsup
Although increasingly Labor's best chance of victory is if Abbott stays as Liberal leader. :lol
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-21/abbott-plays-down-internal-disputes-over-mining-tax/3683780
Abbott plays down Coalition mining tax frictionBy Jeremy Thompson
Updated November 21, 2011 12:32:52
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has refused to respond to press reports that some in his party now favour the Minerals Resource Rent Tax, despite the Coalition’s pledge to repeal the measure if it wins government.
The Sydney Morning Herald quotes an unnamed Liberal MP as saying there is a growing view within the Coalition that the tax will be needed to fund the party's promises.
Western Australian Liberal Mal Washer has already publicly supported the tax - but says he will not cross the floor to vote with the Government.
Asked twice about the rumblings within his own party, Mr Abbott this morning would only say "this is a bad tax from a bad government."
After the second question, Mr Abbott told reporters to change the subject.
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'65 is after a AO from Julia ;D
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more likely to get an AVO from abbott though
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more likely to get an AVO from abbott though
:thatsgold
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Bill Shorten is my pick for PM.
Don't have much time for Julia, tooo much baggage.
:thumbsup
'65 is after a AO from Julia ;D
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Bill Shorten is my pick for PM.
Don't have much time for Julia, tooo much baggage.
:thumbsup
'65 is after a AO from Julia ;D
Too much junk in the trunk too.
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Trouble in Abbott's paradise. He is a dead man walking. :thumbsup
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4899/proclaimers500miles.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/proclaimers500miles.jpg/)
Everybody!!....."But I will walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more...Just to pee of 1965, I will walk right to his Doooorrr " ROFLMAOOOOO :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Trouble in Abbott's paradise. He is a dead man walking. :thumbsup
Everybody!!....."But I will walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more...Just to pee of 1965, I will walk right to his Doooorrr " ROFLMAOOOOO :rollin :rollin :rollin
Classic deflection, losing the argument so change the topic.
Just an indication that you are becoming aware of the reality of Tony's negativity, lack of policies and his refusal to say where he will find the $70 billion dollars needed to fund his various rollbacks.
:thumbsup
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More trouble in Tony-town :lol
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-23/liberals-close-ranks-around-abbott/3688432
Abbott accused of sidelining MPs
By Jeremy Thompson
Updated November 23, 2011 12:31:22
Senior Liberals are closing ranks around Opposition Leader Tony Abbott after accusations by Liberal MPs that he is leaving them in the dark over important policy decisions.
In the Coalition party room yesterday, Victorian MP Kelly O'Dwyer and Paul Fletcher from New South Wales questioned the economic wisdom of retaining the Government's superannuation boost while, at the same time, dumping the mining tax that funds it.
The decision was made outside the party room by the Liberal leadership group - although key finance spokesman Andrew Robb was excluded from the phone hook-up a fortnight ago.
Liberal sources have told ABC News Online Mr Abbott was "annoyed" by the party room dissent and told Ms O'Dwyer, who once worked for then Treasurer Peter Costello, to talk to her former boss about it.
"It wasn't a good look," one MP told ABC News Online, saying a number of MPs were unhappy about the way Mr Abbott reacted.
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Trouble in Abbott's paradise. He is a dead man walking. :thumbsup
Everybody!!....."But I will walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more...Just to pee of 1965, I will walk right to his Doooorrr " ROFLMAOOOOO :rollin :rollin :rollin
Classic deflection, losing the argument so change the topic.
Just an indication that you are becoming aware of the reality of Tony's negativity, lack of policies and his refusal to say where he will find the $70 billion dollars needed to fund his various rollbacks.
:thumbsup
65, you're like that guy who refuses to let go of the microphone even after the music has started to play. Sorry mate all I can hear right now are strings and brass.
You are embarrassing yourself. Get off the stage or find a new act as your dog and pony are looking severely malnourished.
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:lol
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Same poo, different day
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Dooks I don't know if 65 realises it but if he actually gets what he wants and Abbott resigns, he will lose his primary source of Wallpaper.
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Dooks I don't know if 65 realises it but if he actually gets what he wants and Abbott resigns, he will lose his primary source of Wallpaper.
This is true Tiga. Although, based on recent history I'm sure he will find another person/issue to run with that nobody cares about.
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Bump
:cheers
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Bump
:cheers
Hi Davey.........
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Bump
:cheers
Chodar alert
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And Tony thinks climate change isn't important.
Time to start thinking of your grandchildren.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-29/past-15-years-warmest3a-un/3702564
Last decade equals warmest on record: UN
Updated November 30, 2011 02:59:21
Thirteen of the warmest years recorded have occurred within the last decade and a half, the United Nations' World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) said.
The year 2011 caps a decade that ties the record as the hottest ever measured, the WMO said in its annual report on climate trends and extreme weather events, unveiled at UN climate talks in Durban, South Africa.
"Our science is solid and it proves unequivocally that the world is warming and that this warming is due to human activities," WMO secretary-general Michel Jarraud said in a statement, adding policy makers should take note of the findings.
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they've been recording weather for only about 300 out of the last 4.5 billion years
nice sample size :thumbsup
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Moron.
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another classy post :sleep
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1965 the global climate might be changing but don't be so naive to believe anything Australia does will change it.
It needs to be a global effort to fix a global problem by us implementing the most costly tax ahead of the world we are just going to put our selves at a economic disadvantage.
But no matter how many times or who tries to explain this to you greeny's will never believe it. You are the same as Bob Brown believe in some utopia of no mining and no cars but everyone is rich because of some communism wealth redistribution economy.
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1965 the global climate might be changing but don't be so naive to believe anything Australia does will change it.
It needs to be a global effort to fix a global problem by us implementing the most costly tax ahead of the world we are just going to put our selves at a economic disadvantage.
But no matter how many times or who tries to explain this to you greeny's will never believe it. You are the same as Bob Brown believe in some utopia of no mining and no cars but everyone is rich because of some communism wealth redistribution economy.
You are quite right, it is pointless having any single country try to make a difference or start a trend because there will be minimal impact on global warming.
We should just accept that we are leaving a doomed world for the generations to come.
But hey we're OK and that's all that matters, right?
:thumbsup
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-30/climate-change-to-kill-australians2c-report-says/3703062
Report warns of deadly climate change
Updated November 30, 2011 10:43:40
A new report is warning more Australians face dying in heatwaves and catching infectious diseases as a result of climate change.
A Climate Commission report out today, titled The Critical Decade, says climate change-related injury, disease and deaths will continue to grow in decades to come unless sustained action is taken.
The Climate Commission report says climbing temperatures will lead to more natural disasters and changing rainfall patterns, which will have an impact on people's health as much as on the environment.
It includes a worst-case scenario where deaths from hotter temperatures in Queensland and the Northern Territory could multiply tenfold by 2100.
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1965 the global climate might be changing but don't be so naive to believe anything Australia does will change it.
It needs to be a global effort to fix a global problem by us implementing the most costly tax ahead of the world we are just going to put our selves at a economic disadvantage.
But no matter how many times or who tries to explain this to you greeny's will never believe it. You are the same as Bob Brown believe in some utopia of no mining and no cars but everyone is rich because of some communism wealth redistribution economy.
You are quite right, it is pointless having any single country try to make a difference or start a trend because there will be minimal impact on global warming.
We should just accept that we are leaving a doomed world for the generations to come.
But hey we're OK and that's all that matters, right?
:thumbsup
I can tell you now China India America Indonesia Brazil Russia etc.. Will decide when to take meaningful action to fight climate change when they want to not when Australia tells them to. Once again you greeny's live in a fantasy world that believes Australia has a right to dictate policy to other sovereign countries.
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1965 the global climate might be changing but don't be so naive to believe anything Australia does will change it.
It needs to be a global effort to fix a global problem by us implementing the most costly tax ahead of the world we are just going to put our selves at a economic disadvantage.
But no matter how many times or who tries to explain this to you greeny's will never believe it. You are the same as Bob Brown believe in some utopia of no mining and no cars but everyone is rich because of some communism wealth redistribution economy.
You are quite right, it is pointless having any single country try to make a difference or start a trend because there will be minimal impact on global warming.
We should just accept that we are leaving a doomed world for the generations to come.
But hey we're OK and that's all that matters, right?
:thumbsup
I can tell you now China India America Indonesia Brazil Russia etc.. Will decide when to take meaningful action to fight climate change when they want to not when Australia tells them to. Once again you greeny's live in a fantasy world that believes Australia has a right to dictate policy to other sovereign countries.
AND ONCE AGAIN...
But hey we're OK and that's all that matters, right?
:thumbsup
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A lot of people think tiger101. I know plenty of people who throw their rubbish out the car window because other people do it and there is already stacks of litter on the roadside.
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yeah but you live in darwin with the ferals ;D
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1965 the global climate might be changing but don't be so naive to believe anything Australia does will change it.
It needs to be a global effort to fix a global problem by us implementing the most costly tax ahead of the world we are just going to put our selves at a economic disadvantage.
But no matter how many times or who tries to explain this to you greeny's will never believe it. You are the same as Bob Brown believe in some utopia of no mining and no cars but everyone is rich because of some communism wealth redistribution economy.
You are quite right, it is pointless having any single country try to make a difference or start a trend because there will be minimal impact on global warming.
We should just accept that we are leaving a doomed world for the generations to come.
But hey we're OK and that's all that matters, right?
:thumbsup
I can tell you now China India America Indonesia Brazil Russia etc.. Will decide when to take meaningful action to fight climate change when they want to not when Australia tells them to. Once again you greeny's live in a fantasy world that believes Australia has a right to dictate policy to other sovereign countries.
AND ONCE AGAIN...
But hey we're OK and that's all that matters, right?
:thumbsup
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yeah but you live in darwin with the ferals ;D
don't speak to dad like that
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A lot of people think tiger101. I know plenty of people who throw their rubbish out the car window because other people do it and there is already stacks of litter on the roadside.
We're not debating land care issues. We are talking about people(like 1965) who believe this carbon tax will save the planet and not hinder a single job.
(just for the record I thought I'd spark up the debate again out of boredom. It is now obvious that nothing will stop this from being implemented whether people agree with it or not)
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yeah but you live in darwin with the ferals ;D
don't speak to dad like that
It's time you accepted that your dad is one of the ferals
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are you still coming for christmas?
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Who do you think I am? Santa?
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A lot of people think tiger101. I know plenty of people who throw their rubbish out the car window because other people do it and there is already stacks of litter on the roadside.
We're not debating land care issues. We are talking about people(like 1965) who believe this carbon tax will save the planet and not hinder a single job.
(just for the record I thought I'd spark up the debate again out of boredom. It is now obvious that nothing will stop this from being implemented whether people agree with it or not)
My point is not about land care issues but the attitude that we shouldn't bother because others aren't.
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Who do you think I am? Santa?
you're my dad and I expect you to come good on your promises....
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yeah, yeah, what ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwNuQulK6N0
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Global Warming my hole.
Pfffffft- lmao @ how the masses have bought into it.
Clue; Earth-Axis-Wobble=expected.
I'm not wearing the guilt mask into the next generation.
Having said that,out of respect,as individuals we should love and honor the planet.
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Global Warming my hole.
Pfffffft- lmao @ how the masses have bought into it.
Clue; Earth-Axis-Wobble=expected.
Milankovitch cycles are scientifically well understood Ox and for hundreds of thousands of years CO2 levels fluctuated b/w 180ppm and 300ppm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
The current CO2 levels are 391ppm and rising thanks to the industrial age and modern global human activity.
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Well I am pleased to report that Tony & his colleagues will be backing the Govt in parliament on a very important issue..............
MP payrises
Libs/Nats will say YEAH
Actually every single pollie will vote YEAH
What a surprise
:wallywink :wallywink
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Lying Liberals caught out
Lib policy costings exposed by ruling
Peter Martin
December 1, 2011.
THE federal Coalition's economic credibility has been dealt a blow after a tribunal found that two accountants who costed its 2010 election policies had breached professional standards.
The ruling is an embarrassment to shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, who wrongly insisted during the campaign that the accountants' policy costings had been audited.
Geoffrey Phillip Kid and Cyrus Patell, of the Perth office of accountants WHK Horwath, produced a one-page report for the Coalition on its policies two days before the election.
Mr Hockey said at the time that the pair had certified "in law that our numbers are accurate''.
"If the fifth-biggest accounting firm in Australia signs off on our numbers it is a brave person to start saying there are accounting tricks," Mr Hockey told ABC radio in November 2010. "I tell you it is audited. This is an audited statement.''
Fellow Coalition frontbencher Andrew Robb also strongly vouched for the costings, saying they were "as good as you could get anywhere in the country, including in Treasury''.
In fact, the document was the result of a carefully worded agreement between the accountants and the Coalition to produce work primarily ''not of an audit nature''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/lib-policy-costings-exposed-by-ruling-20111130-1o773.html#ixzz1fFo3d9au
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Good to see Julia has rewarded herself with an extra 90k a year for breaking promises, creating new taxes and cutting the baby bonus. No surprise 1965 is silent on this matter though.
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nailed it one tiger. She is the only one to get a payrise ...
:nope
but hey, dont let small facts get in the way of your barracking.
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Good to see Julia has rewarded herself with an extra 90k a year for breaking promises, creating new taxes and cutting the baby bonus. No surprise 1965 is silent on this matter though.
My team, the Greens, are the only ones to come out against this rise.
Tony and Julia will both let it slide through to the keeper.
:thumbsup
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Good to see Julia has rewarded herself with an extra 90k a year for breaking promises, creating new taxes and cutting the baby bonus. No surprise 1965 is silent on this matter though.
Well actually she hasn't rewarded herself, the decision was made by the "independant umpire" the Remuneration Tribunal who determined the amount of the increases.
Both sides areto blame here - neither will knock it back even though they could if they wanted too = FACT
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WP I'm just evening up the bias reporting in here from 1965.
I agree its never a good look for any politician when they raise there wages but especially for the government who are the ones that get labelled in the headlines of newspapers with it.
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65's theme may be biased, but he's not clutching at straws
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A lot of people think tiger101. I know plenty of people who throw their rubbish out the car window because other people do it and there is already stacks of litter on the roadside.
with the greatest respect if you know people that do that, then there's your problem right there
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Good to see Julia has rewarded herself with an extra 90k a year for breaking promises, creating new taxes and cutting the baby bonus. No surprise 1965 is silent on this matter though.
I dont support Gillard Tiger but she deserves a payrise, after all she does lead our country and to think that some computer nerds get paid close to that amount is quite funny.
Baby Bonus reduced to 5k is no big deal either but my question is why didnt they reduce the paid parental scheme, thats the bigger cost to them
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From the theme of posters in this thread I get the sense alot are left leaning supporters but I have never heard people run down a government and PM so much in the public arena before. When out talking to people it is now becoming a daily occurrence I am hearing people complain about how much their unhappy with Gillard. I personally didn't hear half as much about politics under Rudd or Howard. I'm not a number cruncher so not sure if the polls are reflecting it but I can't see how Gillard will change peoples minds about her.
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im not too sure that she does expect to.
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Seem's like state ALP are feeling the effects of their Federal partners trying to steal mining money away from states.
WESTERN Australia's Labor leader ripped into the minerals resources rent tax yesterday, saying mining families in his state saw it as a tax on them.
He also condemned government proposals to penalise states which increase royalties.
Opposition Leader Eric Ripper said he had paid a price for supporting the MRRT but he warned Labor at its conference against going further.
He advised against examining ways to penalise states which increase their royalties, which was promised by Prime Minister Julia Gillard last month in a deal for the support of independents Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor.
"It might be a matter of some surprise to you that constitutionally and legally the minerals under West Australian soil belong to the people of Western Australia, that is what Federation means," he said.
"No WA Labor politician will ever agree to giving up our right to charge royalties and our right to increase royalties as we see fit.
Mr Ripper opposed the proposal to extend the mining tax to other minerals.
"You will kill Federal Labor and WA Labor if you support this amendment," he said.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/western-australias-labor-leader-eric-ripper-attacks-mining-tax-law/story-e6freuy9-1226212726808
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Seem's like state ALP are feeling the effects of their Federal partners trying to steal mining money away from states.
WESTERN Australia's Labor leader ripped into the minerals resources rent tax yesterday, saying mining families in his state saw it as a tax on them.
He also condemned government proposals to penalise states which increase royalties.
Opposition Leader Eric Ripper said he had paid a price for supporting the MRRT but he warned Labor at its conference against going further.
He advised against examining ways to penalise states which increase their royalties, which was promised by Prime Minister Julia Gillard last month in a deal for the support of independents Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor.
"It might be a matter of some surprise to you that constitutionally and legally the minerals under West Australian soil belong to the people of Western Australia, that is what Federation means," he said.
"No WA Labor politician will ever agree to giving up our right to charge royalties and our right to increase royalties as we see fit.
Mr Ripper opposed the proposal to extend the mining tax to other minerals.
"You will kill Federal Labor and WA Labor if you support this amendment," he said.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/western-australias-labor-leader-eric-ripper-attacks-mining-tax-law/story-e6freuy9-1226212726808
I look forward to those West Aussies complaining about this to demand that Victoria be allowed to keep all the GST it generates .... I won't hold my breath. What's good for the gander ....
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THE world's biggest polluters will draw up a historic new agreements to fight climate change by legal force.
All major emitters, including China and America, were among the 194 countries that yesterday made a pact to draw up the battle plans by 2015 as the 14-day United Nations Climate Change Conference wound up in the South African city of Durban.
Replacing the existing Kyoto Protocol, the new accord will take effect in 2020 and put all nations under the same legal regimen.
It's the first time China and the US have committed to fight global warming under a single agreement.
The two countries account for 37 per cent of global emissions.
The growing economies of India and Brazil will also be covered.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/the-worlds-biggest-polluters-agree-on-a-battle-plan/story-fn7x8me2-1226219419603
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-11/un-climate-talks3a-key-points/3724666
One more step.
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Emilys list alive & strong in the ALP!
The ten headed monster rearing it's ugly head once again.
This is officially the most disingenuos government in Australias history.
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Emilys list alive & strong in the ALP!
The ten headed monster rearing it's ugly head once again.
This is officially the most disingenuos government in Australias history.
Say what?
:huh
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Emilys list alive & strong in the ALP!
The ten headed monster rearing it's ugly head once again.
This is officially the most disingenuos government in Australias history.
Say what?
:huh
I thought I was the only one who didn't get it :lol
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Emily's List is easy
http://www.emilyslist.org.au/
and the last sentence is more Abbott BS
The ten headed monster is what really confused me.
:cheers
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Emily's List is easy
http://www.emilyslist.org.au/
and the last sentence is more Abbott BS
The ten headed monster is what really confused me.
:cheers
Yeah I know I don't get the monster bit either
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Emilys list alive & strong in the ALP!
The ten headed monster rearing it's ugly head once again.
This is officially the most disingenuos government in Australias history.
Say what?
:huh
I think it's known as a diversionary tactic from the topic given the world is moving towards carbon pricing and the reduction of carbon emissions whether Abbott and the copycat US Republican party Libs/Nats want to accept it or continue to keep their heads in the sand.
Btw Mr Tigra why won't Abbott allow a conscience vote on gay marriage and instead is enforcing his religious views on the Liberal party when clearly Turnbull and others wanted a conscience vote?
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Emily's List is easy
http://www.emilyslist.org.au/
and the last sentence is more Abbott BS
The ten headed monster is what really confused me.
:cheers
the ten headed monster relates to the numerous factions in the ALP.
Emilys list being now more powerful than ever before. And before you all say emilys list isn't a faction, how then were they able to change the labour party constitution stating that there must be 50% representation of women?
Lastly, show me a government in Australias history that has failed in so many key areas not only do there policies fail but so does the implementation of major policy.
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The weather in the last couple of days surely wipes any hint of doubt that the Carbon Tax is not a desperately required measure to save humanity.
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how do you work that andrew?
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Rising temperatures clearly due to climate change and the Carbon Tax will solve this.
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i see
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how do you work that andrew?
:lol
Bolt barracks for Richmond too :o.
Local temperature is not global temperature and weather is not climate.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html
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China set to bring in a carbon tax by 2015
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/china-to-tax-carbon-by-2015/story-fn59niix-1226238633181
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/chinese-decision-a-welcome-sign/story-e6frgd0x-1226238560679
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'65 you've been slack regarding this thread with Wilkie backing down on his threat over pokie reforms and Abbott wanting to cut $500m in subsidies out of the car manufacturing industry ;D ;).
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'65 you've been slack regarding this thread with Wilkie backing down on his threat over pokie reforms and Abbott wanting to cut $500m in subsidies out of the car manufacturing industry ;D ;).
Been on holidays, back at work now so watch out for more crap from me.
:cheers
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so is this Emily chick hot?
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Call to recognise 'first peoples' in Constitution
By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths
The debate about formally recognising Indigenous Australians in the Constitution is set to flare following the release of recommendations from the expert panel advising the Government on the issue.
The panel, chaired by former head of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation Patrick Dodson, has set out major changes to the Constitution that would recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people "as the first peoples of Australia".
The changes would need to be passed by referendum and the panel has advised that a single question be put to Australians in relation to all of the proposals.
Speaking at the launch of the panel's report, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has urged Australians to embrace the recommendations.
"As a nation we are big enough and it is the right time to say yes to an understanding of our past, to say yes to constitutional change, and to say yes to a future more united and more reconciled than we have ever been before," Ms Gillard said.
The Prime Minister says enacting the changes will "take the deepest and strongest sort of bipartisanship".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-19/report-on-indigenous-constitutional-recognition/3782678
This will only come to pass with the Libs support. I wonder how long before Mr Rabbitt says no?
:cheers
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Referendums in Australia are more than likely to fail. IIRC something like only four amendments have been passed in 100 years or whatever it is. I can't see this getting by-partisan support either while Mr No is leader of the Liberal party. If Turnbull was still leader then they might have had a chance.
No sure what happened to dwaino's post about methane? I was going to add that methane (CH4) is one of the four molecules under the 'carbon' label along with CO2, CFCs and Nitrous oxide (the latter doesn't contain carbon but being a greenhouse gas it get lobbed in with the other three). IIRC the coal mines while not directly producing CO2 at the mine site will be paying for the methane they produce (the agricultural sector is of course being immuned).
The domestic 3-year carbon tax and subsequent ETS is more an economic reform so we move away from having an economy so highly dependent on what will become old-school fossil fuels for our energy needs towards more diverse and 'cleaner' energy sources (while at the same time do our bit environmentally by reducing our own carbon emissions) over the next 40-50 years. Waiting to act last would potentially be a major economic risk to Australia. Good luck to us being price competitive when trying to export goods and services under a global ETS when still 80% of the energy we use to produce these goods and services is from coal. The global movement towards carbon pricing (ie. Durban agreement and China being the latest country to introduce a carbon tax (in 2015)) will be the global environmental response to reducing global emissions.
As to why CO2 is the main focus - the Earth's past (ie. how the Earth came out of its 'snowball' phases) showed additional CO2 enhances warming and spreads that warming globally (from southern hemisphere to the northern say) so the Earth comes out of ice ages. The scientific study of CO2 in the atmosphere has been happening since the late 19th century while global warming has been acknowledged since the 1960s and accepted by mainstream climate science since the early 1980s. As mentioned CO2 levels have increased by 40% since the 1850s with the driver being us as the ratio of carbon isotopes 13C/12C is slightly different in CO2 produced from the burning of fossil fuels compared to that 'naturally' occurring in the atmosphere. So this isotope ratio in the atmosphere has been observed to have altered over this 150 year time period as well.
As for the so-called debate we have had - it has been mostly one dominated by political interest copycatted from the US rather than a scientific debate. It's an amazing coincidence that virtually all so-called 'sceptical' online blogs, websites and media outlets can be traced back to politically hardline conservative think tanks rather than to highly reputable and well-known scientific institutions with decades of reviewed climate research and supporting empirical evidence behind them. As for the opposition here under Abbott, they have moved from denying the scientific evidence [wrong] to saying Australia was acting alone on emissions reduction [wrong] to then saying Australia shouldn't act because 'big' emitters like India and China weren't [wrong] to now saying our carbon pricing scheme will be bigger than theirs [debatable without all the full details]. It's very hard to believe and trust a punter who has always backed the wrong horse.
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Interesting last line that we should all take note of.
Legal threat to bloggers
Lawrence Money
January 30, 2012.
Mr Gibson says that such cases as Hardy's - and a recent decision in Queensland forcing Google to release the identity of a blogger to a man he had abused online - are signs that the internet is no longer an area that can circumvent the laws of defamation.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/legal-threat-to-bloggers-20120129-1qo1w.html#ixzz1ksRSkJl1
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What's this?
Abbott saying "No", what a surprise.
Libs baulk on referendum support
by: Christian Kerr From: The Australian January 30, 2012
COALITION support for a referendum on constitutional recognition of indigenous Australians cannot be guaranteed, senior opposition sources have warned.
While there is strong support in opposition ranks for the idea, Liberal frontbenchers are critical of the broader package of proposals to recognise Aborigines and to remove racially discriminatory provisions in the Constitution
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous/libs-baulk-on-referendum-support/story-fn9hm1pm-1226256684571
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Referendums in Australia are more than likely to fail. IIRC something like only four amendments have been passed in 100 years or whatever it is. I can't see this getting by-partisan support either while Mr No is leader of the Liberal party. If Turnbull was still leader then they might have had a chance.
No sure what happened to dwaino's post about methane? I was going to add that methane (CH4) is one of the four molecules under the 'carbon' label along with CO2, CFCs and Nitrous oxide (the latter doesn't contain carbon but being a greenhouse gas it get lobbed in with the other three). IIRC the coal mines while not directly producing CO2 at the mine site will be paying for the methane they produce (the agricultural sector is of course being immuned).
The domestic 3-year carbon tax and subsequent ETS is more an economic reform so we move away from having an economy so highly dependent on what will become old-school fossil fuels for our energy needs towards more diverse and 'cleaner' energy sources (while at the same time do our bit environmentally by reducing our own carbon emissions) over the next 40-50 years. Waiting to act last would potentially be a major economic risk to Australia. Good luck to us being price competitive when trying to export goods and services under a global ETS when still 80% of the energy we use to produce these goods and services is from coal. The global movement towards carbon pricing (ie. Durban agreement and China being the latest country to introduce a carbon tax (in 2015)) will be the global environmental response to reducing global emissions.
As to why CO2 is the main focus - the Earth's past (ie. how the Earth came out of its 'snowball' phases) showed additional CO2 enhances warming and spreads that warming globally (from southern hemisphere to the northern say) so the Earth comes out of ice ages. The scientific study of CO2 in the atmosphere has been happening since the late 19th century while global warming has been acknowledged since the 1960s and accepted by mainstream climate science since the early 1980s. As mentioned CO2 levels have increased by 40% since the 1850s with the driver being us as the ratio of carbon isotopes 13C/12C is slightly different in CO2 produced from the burning of fossil fuels compared to that 'naturally' occurring in the atmosphere. So this isotope ratio in the atmosphere has been observed to have altered over this 150 year time period as well.
As for the so-called debate we have had - it has been mostly one dominated by political interest copycatted from the US rather than a scientific debate. It's an amazing coincidence that virtually all so-called 'sceptical' online blogs, websites and media outlets can be traced back to politically hardline conservative think tanks rather than to highly reputable and well-known scientific institutions with decades of reviewed climate research and supporting empirical evidence behind them. As for the opposition here under Abbott, they have moved from denying the scientific evidence [wrong] to saying Australia was acting alone on emissions reduction [wrong] to then saying Australia shouldn't act because 'big' emitters like India and China weren't [wrong] to now saying our carbon pricing scheme will be bigger than theirs [debatable without all the full details]. It's very hard to believe and trust a punter who has always backed the wrong horse.
I nuked the post because after some deliberation I decided feel like entering any sort of argument and starting it all from scratch again :p if you know what I mean. I can't remember exactly what I posted, but I think the long winded point I tried to make was, CO2 is being made the bad guy in all this as it is easier to con the public into paying for it when you can put down more parts per millions on paper. What they aren't making public is the trend that shows that CO2 ppm has drastically increased since certain industries has increased methane outputs. CO2 emitters will be deemed the filthiest and we will be charged for it (granted there will be a reform to claim some of this back) and we become the first country to profit from polluting.
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What's this?
Abbott saying "No", what a surprise.
Libs baulk on referendum support
by: Christian Kerr From: The Australian January 30, 2012
COALITION support for a referendum on constitutional recognition of indigenous Australians cannot be guaranteed, senior opposition sources have warned.
While there is strong support in opposition ranks for the idea, Liberal frontbenchers are critical of the broader package of proposals to recognise Aborigines and to remove racially discriminatory provisions in the Constitution
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous/libs-baulk-on-referendum-support/story-fn9hm1pm-1226256684571
You should be more concerned by the nonsense that your party has engaged in recently. Seriously the ALP couldnt organise a root in a brothel. stuffen hopeless they are as a party.
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You should be more concerned by the nonsense that your party has engaged in recently. Seriously the ALP couldnt organise a root in a brothel. stuffen hopeless they are as a party.
Once again, I am not a Labor supporter.
I am a Greens voter, and a Democrat voter before them.
What I am, is a person very concerned about having a loose cannon, policy deficient Tony Abbott getting into power.
Yes the Labor Party was embarrassingly inept but without Tony Abbott's insensitive comments then nothing would have happened.
:cheers
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Yes the Labor Party was embarrassingly inept but without Tony Abbott's insensitive comments then nothing would have happened.
Are you alluding to last Thursday's shameful events? I am assuming you are so in that context
Look everyone knows I am not an Abbott fan, I think he is a dud but to suggest it was his "insensitive comments" that lead to last Thursday's disgraceful events is laughable
Please give me a break
He was asked a question, he answered it honestly and actually thoughtfully and as is the norm with our pathetic media it was turned into something it wasn't.
Which part of his answer was insensitive exactly? Have you read his entire answer to the question that was posed to him. Insensitive? Not in a million years
TBBH, last time I checked we still lived in a democracy where we have the right to voice our opinions.
For anyone to blame the events of last Thursday on Abbott is as ridiculous as blaming it all on Gillard IMHO
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Yes the Labor Party was embarrassingly inept but without Tony Abbott's insensitive comments then nothing would have happened.
Are you alluding to last Thursday's shameful events? I am assuming you are so in that context
Look everyone knows I am not an Abbott fan, I think he is a dud but to suggest it was his "insensitive comments" that lead to last Thursday's disgraceful events is laughable
Please give me a break
He was asked a question, he answered it honestly and actually thoughtfully and as is the norm with our pathetic media it was turned into something it wasn't.
Which part of his answer was insensitive exactly? Have you read his entire answer to the question that was posed to him. Insensitive? Not in a million years
TBBH, last time I checked we still lived in a democracy where we have the right to voice our opinions.
For anyone to blame the events of last Thursday on Abbott is as ridiculous as blaming it all on Gillard IMHO
WP
You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Posture all you like but what I said still stands.
I did not say he caused anything.
:cheers
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WP
You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Posture all you like but what I said still stands.
I did not say he caused anything.
:cheers
So just so I am clear:
On the one hand you saying he didn't cause anything but on the other hand you are saying if he had said nothing then last Thursday wouldn't have happened.
That's your take on it? No cause just affect right :huh
And BTW any chance you'll answer my original question and that is what did he say that was so insensitive?
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So just so I am clear:
On the one hand you saying he didn't cause anything but on the other hand you are saying if he had said nothing then last Thursday wouldn't have happened.
That's your take on it? No cause just affect right :huh
And BTW any chance you'll answer my original question and that is what did he say that was so insensitive?
WP
I did not say he caused anything and I am still not saying he caused anything.
And as for the quiz on what word I used, are you a closet wannabe teacher?
You know exactly what I was talking about so get off your high-horse and stop with the pedantic rants.
:cheers
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And as for the quiz on what word I used, are you a closet wannabe teacher?
No - wouldn't want to be (apologies to the majority of the teaching faternity ;D) but teaching is not for me
You know exactly what I was talking about so get off your high-horse and stop with the pedantic rants.
Pedantic rants :lol
What colour is the kettle again or is that the pot ;D
Beautiful deflection as always I'll give you that
Why is it so hard for you to answer what I would have thought is a pretty simple question ;D
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Pedantic rants hey 65? :lol
Cue the same old poot
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Why is it so hard for you to answer what I would have thought is a pretty simple question ;D
Sorry, I'm not going to play your games.
:thumbsup
...and the kettle and pot are both black.
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Mod 'Games' - FFS even 65 can see it ::)
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Sorry, I'm not going to play your games.
What games?
I asked a question and for reasons only you can explain you continue to refuse to answer it
Perhaps you did not understand the question :-\
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I've never been a big fan of Julia Gillard but I was outraged by the events on Australia day. To voice an opinion or peacefully protest is our right in this great democratic country but to treat our leaders with that sort of disrespect is an embarrassment to all of us who call ourselves Australian.
And no one arrested or charged? A disgrace!
To witness those who burnt our flag & watching those kids spitting on the flag was also disgusting.
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I've never been a big fan of Julia Gillard but I was outraged by the events on Australia day. To voice an opinion or peacefully protest is our right in this great democratic country but to treat our leaders with that sort of disrespect is an embarrassment to all of us who call ourselves Australian.
And no one arrested or charged? A disgrace!
To witness those who burnt our flag & watching those kids spitting on the flag was also disgusting.
Yes.
Imagine if the Aboriginal flag was burnt and spat on, on Australia Day.
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What also is a disgrace is this current government.
One minute lying, next minute it's gross incompetence.
The whole lot of them are a rabble. Inciting violence on Australia day what's next....Plagiarizing speaches from hollywood?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvrNldmt1eA&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvrNldmt1eA&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Even reached spanish news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFsehtKxFx4&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFsehtKxFx4&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
I will say it again. Worst government in the history of Australia!
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And no one arrested or charged? A disgrace!
Have to say that is the bit that really "irks" me the fact not one person was arrested on the day and no one's been charged - that's disgraceful
What is as equally disgraceful/distasteful is either side of politics trying to turn this is a political point scoring exercise.
It reall is a pity our elected representative on both sides cannot do or seem to be unable to do what they are actually supposed to be there for
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And no one arrested or charged? A disgrace!
Have to say that is the bit that really "irks" me the fact not one person was arrested on the day and no one's been charged - that's disgraceful
What is as equally disgraceful/distasteful is either side of politics trying to turn this is a political point scoring exercise.
It reall is a pity our elected representative on both sides cannot do or seem to be unable to do what they are actually supposed to be there for
WP, the disgrace is that the media men in the ALP tried to manufacture racial tension by lying to people @ the tent embassy that Tony Abbott said something he never meant.
It nearly worked for them until someone leaked to Ray Hadley who it was from the prime ministers office that instigated the riot.
You have to admit that this whole situation is discraceful & dirty politics.
Tony Abbott has done nothing wrong here but the ALP looks stupid once again.
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WP, the disgrace is that the media men in the ALP tried to manufacture racial tension by lying to people @ the tent embassy that Tony Abbott said something he never meant.
It nearly worked for them until someone leaked to Ray Hadley who it was from the prime ministers office that instigated the riot.
You have to admit that this whole situation is discraceful & dirty politics.
Tony Abbott has done nothing wrong here but the ALP looks stupid once again.
Firstly, Mr Tigra I never said Abbott did anything wrong, read my posts on this topic I actually defended him and as you know I don't rate him as leader or a politician but in this case I dont think he did anything wrong nor did he say anything wrong when he answered that "question"
I agree the media bloke from the ALP who has quit I might add was a moron. And what he did was stupid and unforgiveable. But if you are going to throw stones then throw some at the air head union official who when you come to think of it should be in politics simply for her "flip flop" techniques. Let's hold her to account as well. And please don't let the actual protesters off here which seems to be happening while all this "playing politics" is going on. Their collective behaviour was disgraceful
It doesn't matter how it happened, who caused it, who didn't caused it let's not lose sight of the fact that what happened last Thursday should not happen at any time in this country. People can protest about what ever they like as long as they do it peacefully and without terrorising people
What I have a problem with is we now have BOTH sides of politics (and I include the independants & greens here as well) treating this situation as some way of again trying to score political points. Because that is dirty politics too IMHO
It doesn't matter which side of politics you sit on or what you think of the person holding the highest office in the country people or what you think of the person who holds the title of alternate PM we all should respect the postitions and what they stand for - that is what is getting lost here and that's the biggest disgrace of all
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And no one arrested or charged? A disgrace!
Have to say that is the bit that really "irks" me the fact not one person was arrested on the day and no one's been charged - that's disgraceful
What is as equally disgraceful/distasteful is either side of politics trying to turn this is a political point scoring exercise.
It reall is a pity our elected representative on both sides cannot do or seem to be unable to do what they are actually supposed to be there for
WP, the disgrace is that the media men in the ALP tried to manufacture racial tension by lying to people @ the tent embassy that Tony Abbott said something he never meant.
It nearly worked for them until someone leaked to Ray Hadley who it was from the prime ministers office that instigated the riot.
You have to admit that this whole situation is discraceful & dirty politics.
Tony Abbott has done nothing wrong here but the ALP looks stupid once again.
It would be a disgrace if it happened. Funny how you condemn something then sink to the same level yourself.
The main culprit was Barbara Shaw, an aboriginal activist who is not a member of any political party.
A quote from a CLP candidate who was at the rally
But she says anti-intervention activist Barbara Shaw alerted people at a gathering marking the 40th anniversary of the tent embassy in Canberra to the whereabouts of Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.
"I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down," Ms Healy said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-27/20120127-nt-focus-tent-embassy-protest/3796378/?site=darwin§ion=news
Considering she plays for the team you barrack for, she would be all over it like a rash if any of the sworn enemy had been involved.
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WP, the disgrace is that the media men in the ALP tried to manufacture racial tension by lying to people @ the tent embassy that Tony Abbott said something he never meant.
It nearly worked for them until someone leaked to Ray Hadley who it was from the prime ministers office that instigated the riot.
You have to admit that this whole situation is discraceful & dirty politics.
Tony Abbott has done nothing wrong here but the ALP looks stupid once again.
Firstly, Mr Tigra I never said Abbott did anything wrong, read my posts on this topic I actually defended him and as you know I don't rate him as leader or a politician but in this case I dont think he did anything wrong nor did he say anything wrong when he answered that "question"
I agree the media bloke from the ALP who has quit I might add was a moron. And what he did was stupid and unforgiveable. But if you are going to throw stones then throw some at the air head union official who when you come to think of it should be in politics simply for her "flip flop" techniques. Let's hold her to account as well. And please don't let the actual protesters off here which seems to be happening while all this "playing politics" is going on. Their collective behaviour was disgraceful
It doesn't matter how it happened, who caused it, who didn't caused it let's not lose sight of the fact that what happened last Thursday should not happen at any time in this country. People can protest about what ever they like as long as they do it peacefully and without terrorising people
What I have a problem with is we now have BOTH sides of politics (and I include the independants & greens here as well) treating this situation as some way of again trying to score political points. Because that is dirty politics too IMHO
It doesn't matter which side of politics you sit on or what you think of the person holding the highest office in the country people or what you think of the person who holds the title of alternate PM we all should respect the postitions and what they stand for - that is what is getting lost here and that's the biggest disgrace of all
yes WP, I applaud you on your support for Tony on this issue.
In some way I feel extremely sorry for the PM here.
The way she was treated & what she had to endure on that day was disgusting. It seems she had no clue what Hodges was up to. As much as I dislike her she is our PM & as Graham Richardson said on radio this morning she has some very incompetent people behind the scenes as Kevin '07 did when he was PM.
The ALP are a complete rabble & this is just more proof IMO.
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And no one arrested or charged? A disgrace!
Have to say that is the bit that really "irks" me the fact not one person was arrested on the day and no one's been charged - that's disgraceful
What is as equally disgraceful/distasteful is either side of politics trying to turn this is a political point scoring exercise.
It reall is a pity our elected representative on both sides cannot do or seem to be unable to do what they are actually supposed to be there for
WP, the disgrace is that the media men in the ALP tried to manufacture racial tension by lying to people @ the tent embassy that Tony Abbott said something he never meant.
It nearly worked for them until someone leaked to Ray Hadley who it was from the prime ministers office that instigated the riot.
You have to admit that this whole situation is discraceful & dirty politics.
Tony Abbott has done nothing wrong here but the ALP looks stupid once again.
It would be a disgrace if it happened. Funny how you condemn something then sink to the same level yourself.
The main culprit was Barbara Shaw, an aboriginal activist who is not a member of any political party.
A quote from a CLP candidate who was at the rally
But she says anti-intervention activist Barbara Shaw alerted people at a gathering marking the 40th anniversary of the tent embassy in Canberra to the whereabouts of Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.
"I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down," Ms Healy said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-27/20120127-nt-focus-tent-embassy-protest/3796378/?site=darwin§ion=news
Considering she plays for the team you barrack for, she would be all over it like a rash if any of the sworn enemy had been involved.
what are you talking about here? Are you accusing me of inciting racial tension?
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(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/01/31/1226258/244850-cameron-ling.jpg)
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You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Going by that rationale, if the reporter that asked Abbott the question re the tent embassy decided to go for a crepe rather than ask the ridiculous and provoking question she did, nothing would have happened either. ::) How far do you want to go back on this 65? We could go as far as had the reporters father kept it in his pants on the proposed evening of conception, nothing would have happened either.
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(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/01/31/1226258/244850-cameron-ling.jpg)
:rollin After that I'm going for a can of Fanta!
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You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Going by that rationale, if the reporter that asked Abbott the question re the tent embassy decided to go for a crepe rather than ask the ridiculous and provoking question she did, nothing would have happened either. ::) How far do you want to go back on this 65? We could go as far as had the reporters father kept it in his pants on the proposed evening of conception, nothing would have happened either.
Fact is Tony A is a loose cannon when he is not tightly scripted.
Sooner Turnbull takes over the better.
Not sure who I want to replace Julia, maybe Shorten.
:thumbsup
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You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Going by that rationale, if the reporter that asked Abbott the question re the tent embassy decided to go for a crepe rather than ask the ridiculous and provoking question she did, nothing would have happened either. ::) How far do you want to go back on this 65? We could go as far as had the reporters father kept it in his pants on the proposed evening of conception, nothing would have happened either.
Fact is Tony A is a loose cannon when he is not tightly scripted.
Sooner Turnbull takes over the better.
Not sure who I want to replace Julia, maybe Shorten.
:thumbsup
Its all about interpretation. "Its time to move on." was all that was said. In the 40 odd years it has existed, the Tent Embassy has achieved nothing for the indigenous people of this country. Abbott in his statement could have meant that we need to pursue a more constructive and formal process of mediation rather than sticking to a ramshackle representation of their plight.
The government tried ATSIC but it was proven to be a monumental failure and showed that corruption and nepotism knows no boundaries.
So 65 I put to you this question. In your own words, as a nation what do we have to do to constructively "move on" from the Tent Embassy?
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You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Going by that rationale, if the reporter that asked Abbott the question re the tent embassy decided to go for a crepe rather than ask the ridiculous and provoking question she did, nothing would have happened either. ::) How far do you want to go back on this 65? We could go as far as had the reporters father kept it in his pants on the proposed evening of conception, nothing would have happened either.
Fact is Tony A is a loose cannon when he is not tightly scripted.
Sooner Turnbull takes over the better.
Not sure who I want to replace Julia, maybe Shorten.
:thumbsup
Kevin '07 : so bad a leader even his so called mates knifed him. Julia, "I have more chance lining up alongside Barry Hall than becoming PM"
Julia Gillard : doesn't know what truth is. Can't make her mind up on any issue. Not a leader. Too influenced by others no matter how incompetent. And worst of all, agrees with Bob Brown sometimes.
Bill shorten : maybe? Or same smell different toilet? Or is it same toilet different smell?
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what are you talking about here? Are you accusing me of inciting racial tension?
No, of peddling non truths to push a political agenda
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So 65 I put to you this question. In your own words, as a nation what do we have to do to constructively "move on" from the Tent Embassy?
Yes it should be dismantled.
Clear enough?
But it doesn't stop me thinking that if Abbott had of been a little more circumspect things would have been different.
Too much politics in Politics lately (from both sides)
Don't like Julia but hate Abbott.
:cheers
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what are you talking about here? Are you accusing me of inciting racial tension?
No, of peddling non truths to push a political agenda
Im confused....what was it I wrote that was a non truth?
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WP, the disgrace is that the media men in the ALP tried to manufacture racial tension by lying to people @ the tent embassy that Tony Abbott said something he never meant.
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The fact there's still so much carry on about what happened on Australia Day when there's so many other important issues going on around us shows what's wrong with modern day politics and the media. When the pollies actually have to talk about major real life issues and should inspire the rest of us with a vision and policies to make this vision a reality they fail miserably like Abbott did today using words such as "aspirational" to avoid making any firm commitment to anything ::). They are all two-faced :yep.
Btw as much as I think the vast majority of demonstrations are pointless and lack any focus, I still wonder why Gillard and Abbott were both literally dragged from the restaurant in that fashion by the feds. From the footage the only people in close proximity were the media scrum following them about 5m away and one old indigenous guy at the base of the steps of the restaurant. As for people being surprised and shocked by aboriginal protests on Jan 26 - it happens every year as many are hardly going to celebrate that day nor anything with the Union Jack on it including the flag are they. We should be a republic anyhow with that day when it arrives as our national day but that's another topic.
re. that pic - "Pressure point, pressure point!" ;D
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WP, the disgrace is that the media men in the ALP tried to manufacture racial tension by lying to people @ the tent embassy that Tony Abbott said something he never meant.
.... And what is untruthful about what I wrote? I'll give you some proof to read.
http://www.news.com.au/national/julia-gillards-staffer-forced-to-quit-over-protest-leak/story-e6frfkw9-1226255658773 (http://www.news.com.au/national/julia-gillards-staffer-forced-to-quit-over-protest-leak/story-e6frfkw9-1226255658773)
..you want more...
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gillard-adviser-tony-hodges-forced-to-quit-over-tip-off-which-led-to-protest-violence/story-e6freuy9-1226255796201 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gillard-adviser-tony-hodges-forced-to-quit-over-tip-off-which-led-to-protest-violence/story-e6freuy9-1226255796201)
...and just in case...
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/mob-sinks-slipper-into-nations-day/story-e6freooo-1226255649572 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/mob-sinks-slipper-into-nations-day/story-e6freooo-1226255649572)
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The fact there's still so much carry on about what happened on Australia Day when there's so many other important issues going on around us shows what's wrong with modern day politics and the media. When the pollies actually have to talk about major real life issues and should inspire the rest of us with a vision and policies to make this vision a reality they fail miserably like Abbott did today using words such as "aspirational" to avoid making any firm commitment to anything ::). They are all two-faced :yep.
Btw as much as I think the vast majority of demonstrations are pointless and lack any focus, I still wonder why Gillard and Abbott were both literally dragged from the restaurant in that fashion by the feds. From the footage the only people in close proximity were the media scrum following them about 5m away and one old indigenous guy at the base of the steps of the restaurant. As for people being surprised and shocked by aboriginal protests on Jan 26 - it happens every year as many are hardly going to celebrate that day nor anything with the Union Jack on it including the flag are they. We should be a republic anyhow with that day when it arrives as our national day but that's another topic.
re. that pic - "Pressure point, pressure point!" ;D
from all reports there were approx 200 demonstrators bashing the windows at restaurant. Good reason to get them out I reckon. I think it shouldve been handled alot better though by the Feds.
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What hodges did was was pass on information as to where abbot, and gillard it must be remembered, was. He did not incite the crowd, he never spoke to the crowd.
as in my original post which you quoted, but didnt seem to understand, the person who incited the crowd by wrongly informing them of what mr rabbit said was Barbara Shaw.
Once again;
I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down
this is from someone who plays for your team.
just in case i will repeat yet again, please read carefully.
I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down
Barbara Shaw stirred the pot and she is not a member of the ALP.
She admits and does not apologise for her actions being responsible for the mob mentality that ensured.
If Tony Hodges had lied, they would not have found Gillard and Abbot, as he revealed where they were. :wallywink
It was not him that misrepresented what Dr No said, it was barbara shaw
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You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Going by that rationale, if the reporter that asked Abbott the question re the tent embassy decided to go for a crepe rather than ask the ridiculous and provoking question she did, nothing would have happened either. ::) How far do you want to go back on this 65? We could go as far as had the reporters father kept it in his pants on the proposed evening of conception, nothing would have happened either.
Fact is Tony A is a loose cannon when he is not tightly scripted.
Sooner Turnbull takes over the better.
Not sure who I want to replace Julia, maybe Shorten.
:thumbsup
Kevin '07 : so bad a leader even his so called mates knifed him. Julia, "I have more chance lining up alongside Barry Hall than becoming PM"
Julia Gillard : doesn't know what truth is. Can't make her mind up on any issue. Not a leader. Too influenced by others no matter how incompetent. And worst of all, agrees with Bob Brown sometimes.
Bill shorten : maybe? Or same smell different toilet? Or is it same toilet different smell?
At the end of the day, there's not much difference between one urine cake and another.
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some you pjss on more than others in the hope they slide down the drain quicker
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You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Going by that rationale, if the reporter that asked Abbott the question re the tent embassy decided to go for a crepe rather than ask the ridiculous and provoking question she did, nothing would have happened either. ::) How far do you want to go back on this 65? We could go as far as had the reporters father kept it in his pants on the proposed evening of conception, nothing would have happened either.
Fact is Tony A is a loose cannon when he is not tightly scripted.
Sooner Turnbull takes over the better.
Not sure who I want to replace Julia, maybe Shorten.
:thumbsup
Kevin '07 : so bad a leader even his so called mates knifed him. Julia, "I have more chance lining up alongside Barry Hall than becoming PM"
Julia Gillard : doesn't know what truth is. Can't make her mind up on any issue. Not a leader. Too influenced by others no matter how incompetent. And worst of all, agrees with Bob Brown sometimes.
Bill shorten : maybe? Or same smell different toilet? Or is it same toilet different smell?
At the end of the day, there's not much difference between one urine cake and another.
I wish it were like footy and we could trade or recruit politicians. I'd make a massive play for Ron Paul or Vladimir Putin.
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What hodges did was was pass on information as to where abbot, and gillard it must be remembered, was. He did not incite the crowd, he never spoke to the crowd.
as in my original post which you quoted, but didnt seem to understand, the person who incited the crowd by wrongly informing them of what mr rabbit said was Barbara Shaw.
Once again;
I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down
this is from someone who plays for your team.
just in case i will repeat yet again, please read carefully.
I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down
Barbara Shaw stirred the pot and she is not a member of the ALP.
She admits and does not apologise for her actions being responsible for the mob mentality that ensured.
If Tony Hodges had lied, they would not have found Gillard and Abbot, as he revealed where they were. :wallywink
It was not him that misrepresented what Dr No said, it was barbara shaw
Are you "shaw" about that Al??
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/union-boss-kim-sattler-to-face-questions-over-her-role-in-the-tent-embassy-riot/story-fn59niix-1226258107753 (http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/union-boss-kim-sattler-to-face-questions-over-her-role-in-the-tent-embassy-riot/story-fn59niix-1226258107753)
why then has a former PM advisor quit & why then is a union official under investigation by her union as to whatever they said?
Facts are that the whole thing was stupid, dirty and a discraceful.
Further evidence that the ALP and those connected to the ALP (greens & unions), cannot be trusted!
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The fact there's still so much carry on about what happened on Australia Day when there's so many other important issues going on around us shows what's wrong with modern day politics and the media. When the pollies actually have to talk about major real life issues and should inspire the rest of us with a vision and policies to make this vision a reality they fail miserably like Abbott did today using words such as "aspirational" to avoid making any firm commitment to anything ::). They are all two-faced :yep.
Btw as much as I think the vast majority of demonstrations are pointless and lack any focus, I still wonder why Gillard and Abbott were both literally dragged from the restaurant in that fashion by the feds. From the footage the only people in close proximity were the media scrum following them about 5m away and one old indigenous guy at the base of the steps of the restaurant. As for people being surprised and shocked by aboriginal protests on Jan 26 - it happens every year as many are hardly going to celebrate that day nor anything with the Union Jack on it including the flag are they. We should be a republic anyhow with that day when it arrives as our national day but that's another topic.
re. that pic - "Pressure point, pressure point!" ;D
from all reports there were approx 200 demonstrators bashing the windows at restaurant. Good reason to get them out I reckon. I think it shouldve been handled alot better though by the Feds.
A well organised and extensive Police response should be able to handle 200 demonstrators (I've heard reports of just 50-100 were there) and should've created a well-fortified human-shield barrier between Gillard and Abbott and the protesters so the two leaders didn't need to be rag-dolled out of the restaurant to a waiting car. 200 is really a small protest compared to wild demonstrations over the years in say Melbourne where there's been up to 100,000 people involved where radical splinter groups have gone a rampage in full-on fights with police with cowardly face-covered morons throwing sharp objects and bags of urine at officers and dropping ball-bearings under police horses. Not to mention the willful extensive public property damage of past events such as S11 or outside the G20 meetings. Sheesh you normally get more than 200 people chucked out by Vicpol at the one-day cricket. From the footage on Australia day it looked like the police were way too thin in numbers when they responded. Mind you when I spent a month in Canberra back 1995 you hardly saw a cop anywhere so maybe that's all the ACT police and Feds had on hand :wallywink.
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You are too quick to jump on my comments sometimes.
Fact is that if he had said nothing then the whole debacle would not have happened.
Going by that rationale, if the reporter that asked Abbott the question re the tent embassy decided to go for a crepe rather than ask the ridiculous and provoking question she did, nothing would have happened either. ::) How far do you want to go back on this 65? We could go as far as had the reporters father kept it in his pants on the proposed evening of conception, nothing would have happened either.
Fact is Tony A is a loose cannon when he is not tightly scripted.
Sooner Turnbull takes over the better.
Not sure who I want to replace Julia, maybe Shorten.
:thumbsup
Kevin '07 : so bad a leader even his so called mates knifed him. Julia, "I have more chance lining up alongside Barry Hall than becoming PM"
Julia Gillard : doesn't know what truth is. Can't make her mind up on any issue. Not a leader. Too influenced by others no matter how incompetent. And worst of all, agrees with Bob Brown sometimes.
Bill shorten : maybe? Or same smell different toilet? Or is it same toilet different smell?
At the end of the day, there's not much difference between one urine cake and another.
I wish it were like footy and we could trade or recruit politicians. I'd make a massive play for Ron Paul or Vladimir Putin.
I'd make a massive play for Ron Jeremy. We need some integrity in Canberra ;)
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The fact there's still so much carry on about what happened on Australia Day when there's so many other important issues going on around us shows what's wrong with modern day politics and the media. When the pollies actually have to talk about major real life issues and should inspire the rest of us with a vision and policies to make this vision a reality they fail miserably like Abbott did today using words such as "aspirational" to avoid making any firm commitment to anything ::). They are all two-faced :yep.
Btw as much as I think the vast majority of demonstrations are pointless and lack any focus, I still wonder why Gillard and Abbott were both literally dragged from the restaurant in that fashion by the feds. From the footage the only people in close proximity were the media scrum following them about 5m away and one old indigenous guy at the base of the steps of the restaurant. As for people being surprised and shocked by aboriginal protests on Jan 26 - it happens every year as many are hardly going to celebrate that day nor anything with the Union Jack on it including the flag are they. We should be a republic anyhow with that day when it arrives as our national day but that's another topic.
re. that pic - "Pressure point, pressure point!" ;D
from all reports there were approx 200 demonstrators bashing the windows at restaurant. Good reason to get them out I reckon. I think it shouldve been handled alot better though by the Feds.
A well organised and extensive Police response should be able to handle 200 demonstrators (I've heard reports of just 50-100 were there) and should've created a well-fortified human-shield barrier between Gillard and Abbott and the protesters so the two leaders didn't need to be rag-dolled out of the restaurant to a waiting car. 200 is really a small protest compared to wild demonstrations over the years in say Melbourne where there's been up to 100,000 people involved where radical splinter groups have gone a rampage in full-on fights with police with cowardly face-covered morons throwing sharp objects and bags of urine at officers and dropping ball-bearings under police horses. Not to mention the willful extensive public property damage of past events such as S11 or outside the G20 meetings. Sheesh you normally get more than 200 people chucked out by Vicpol at the one-day cricket. From the footage on Australia day it looked like the police were way too thin in numbers when they responded. Mind you when I spent a month in Canberra back 1995 you hardly saw a cop anywhere so maybe that's all the ACT police and Feds had on hand :wallywink.
agree 100%. The police couldve & shouldve done a better job of getting them out. I've been to Canberra once aswell, I probably won't ever go again.
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It's a joke that the Craig Thompson inquiry has taken nearly 3 years. Looks like the government doesn't want it to end too soon.
Like i've said before, this is the worst government in the history of Australia!
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3419957.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3419957.htm)
even an ALP member & union secretary can't understand why this saga has gone on so long. But Im sure she has her suspicions.
It all looks dodgy to me.
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What hodges did was was pass on information as to where abbot, and gillard it must be remembered, was. He did not incite the crowd, he never spoke to the crowd.
as in my original post which you quoted, but didnt seem to understand, the person who incited the crowd by wrongly informing them of what mr rabbit said was Barbara Shaw.
Once again;
I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down
this is from someone who plays for your team.
just in case i will repeat yet again, please read carefully.
I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down
Barbara Shaw stirred the pot and she is not a member of the ALP.
She admits and does not apologise for her actions being responsible for the mob mentality that ensured.
If Tony Hodges had lied, they would not have found Gillard and Abbot, as he revealed where they were. :wallywink
It was not him that misrepresented what Dr No said, it was barbara shaw
Are you "shaw" about that Al??
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/union-boss-kim-sattler-to-face-questions-over-her-role-in-the-tent-embassy-riot/story-fn59niix-1226258107753 (http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/union-boss-kim-sattler-to-face-questions-over-her-role-in-the-tent-embassy-riot/story-fn59niix-1226258107753)
why then has a former PM advisor quit & why then is a union official under investigation by her union as to whatever they said?
Facts are that the whole thing was stupid, dirty and a discraceful.
Further evidence that the ALP and those connected to the ALP (greens & unions), cannot be trusted!
you initially linked to three articles and they said that hodges leaked the where abouts of Mr Rabbit . they mentioned nothing about him spreading what mr rabbit said.
the article you now link to was published after my, and more importantly, your original comments, so it is a new claim, by a newspaper that proudly admits it attempts to bring the ALP down, none the less.
If it turns out I was wrong, well i was wrong, but that was based on evidence put before me, while at the time you had no evidence for the claim you made either.
By the same token the run on shaw up here has plenty of publicity up here and as she is from the territory. not once has she denied what the CLP member said about her, in fact she is unrepentant about it.
yet you said the ALP lied about what rabbit said to stir up racial tension, which on the evidence at the time was plain wrong.
perhaps The CLP member is lying about how events transcribed? maybe she proves that no politician can be trusted, as i have heard her talk about it on a number of times.
and just a question for future reference, if a staffer does something wrong, does that reflect on the whole party?
I wont bother about all the lies peddled by you team in recent times either, as that does not justify what others do and no doubt there will more in the future, but you will always think that your team is squeaky clean, just as there will be those that barrack for the others and think they are squeaky clean.
This is the attitude that allows these scum to get away with what they do. as they say, we get the politicians we deserve and while people follow politics with the same one eyed view as sport nothing will change.
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What hodges did was was pass on information as to where abbot, and gillard it must be remembered, was. He did not incite the crowd, he never spoke to the crowd.
as in my original post which you quoted, but didnt seem to understand, the person who incited the crowd by wrongly informing them of what mr rabbit said was Barbara Shaw.
Once again;
I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down
this is from someone who plays for your team.
just in case i will repeat yet again, please read carefully.
I witnessed a man jump on stage and what he told her Tony Abbott was just on radio, and he was going to come out and take their tents down
Barbara Shaw stirred the pot and she is not a member of the ALP.
She admits and does not apologise for her actions being responsible for the mob mentality that ensured.
If Tony Hodges had lied, they would not have found Gillard and Abbot, as he revealed where they were. :wallywink
It was not him that misrepresented what Dr No said, it was barbara shaw
Are you "shaw" about that Al??
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/union-boss-kim-sattler-to-face-questions-over-her-role-in-the-tent-embassy-riot/story-fn59niix-1226258107753 (http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/union-boss-kim-sattler-to-face-questions-over-her-role-in-the-tent-embassy-riot/story-fn59niix-1226258107753)
why then has a former PM advisor quit & why then is a union official under investigation by her union as to whatever they said?
Facts are that the whole thing was stupid, dirty and a discraceful.
Further evidence that the ALP and those connected to the ALP (greens & unions), cannot be trusted!
you initially linked to three articles and they said that hodges leaked the where abouts of Mr Rabbit . they mentioned nothing about him spreading what mr rabbit said.
the article you now link to was published after my, and more importantly, your original comments, so it is a new claim, by a newspaper that proudly admits it attempts to bring the ALP down, none the less.
If it turns out I was wrong, well i was wrong, but that was based on evidence put before me, while at the time you had no evidence for the claim you made either.
By the same token the run on shaw up here has plenty of publicity up here and as she is from the territory. not once has she denied what the CLP member said about her, in fact she is unrepentant about it.
yet you said the ALP lied about what rabbit said to stir up racial tension, which on the evidence at the time was plain wrong.
perhaps The CLP member is lying about how events transcribed? maybe she proves that no politician can be trusted, as i have heard her talk about it on a number of times.
and just a question for future reference, if a staffer does something wrong, does that reflect on the whole party?
I wont bother about all the lies peddled by you team in recent times either, as that does not justify what others do and no doubt there will more in the future, but you will always think that your team is squeaky clean, just as there will be those that barrack for the others and think they are squeaky clean.
This is the attitude that allows these scum to get away with what they do. as they say, we get the politicians we deserve and while people follow politics with the same one eyed view as sport nothing will change.
none of them should get away with it Al. Not Slipper not Thompson not Abbott nor should the PM. We all contribute to their wages & they should all be held accountable especially when they misuse funds or blatantly lie or mislead us.
And no one is squeeky clean.
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good that we can agree on something.
line em up all against the wall and then start again.
Voting should not be compulsory and each politician's wage related to how many votes they receive.
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good that we can agree on something.
line em up all against the wall and then start again.
Voting should not be compulsory and each politician's wage related to how many votes they receive.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
:cheers :thumbsup
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(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/01/31/1226258/244850-cameron-ling.jpg)
great picture gerks just one question..
I know who the red heads are but who are the bald guys??
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Steven Segal and Kevin Costner
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K Rudd is coming!
We're coming back, they all know we're coming back!
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anyone watching Bolt report on 10.
Does anyone else feel embarrassed that we are being led by such an incompetent party and leader in Gillard.
What a circus, i just cant believe we actually pay these guys
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anyone watching Bolt report on 10.
Does anyone else feel embarrassed that we are being led by such an incompetent party and leader in Gillard.
What a circus, i just cant believe we actually pay these guys
yes I watched it.
Im certain it is & will be remembered as the worst government in the history of Australia. No doubt.
What's hilarious is that some people want Kevin '07 back but this party didn't think he was doing any good. What a complete rabble the ALP are! My father would be gutted if he were still alive to see it.
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I've never been a big fan of Julia Gillard but I was outraged by the events on Australia day. To voice an opinion or peacefully protest is our right in this great democratic country but to treat our leaders with that sort of disrespect is an embarrassment to all of us who call ourselves Australian.
And no one arrested or charged? A disgrace!
To witness those who burnt our flag & watching those kids spitting on the flag was also disgusting.
and this surprises you?? A guy was freed this week for manslaughter after killing a Bosnian grandfather and you think they will worry about a group of guys ambushing the leader of this country.
I think they thought by not laying any arrests would stop this madness from happening again.
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They are a fair dinkum embarrassment to very single Australian and i actually feel sorry for her in a way.
I'm old enough to never remember such dislike for a politician as there is out there for her. Even Rudd had better respect IMO
People would only vote for her out of a misguided loyalty to that joke of a party. In their heart of hearts i really dont think people, including my old man are that blind.
This will be an absolute white wash this election and i cant wait.
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the truley sad part is that the other option is buffoon in his own right.
the next election will be like deciding between a douche bag and poo sandwich
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Have to agree with the last couple of comments.
Politics has always been a shady business, but the last 5 years things have been taken to a whole new level.
I dont think its so much an ALP thing (although IMO we have the worst government in Austalia's history), to me there's virtually no credibility, intelligence or anyone trustworthy on either side.
It's the same poot. Everyone is it it for themselves with the snouts in the trough, and it's all about managing public 'perception' without making meaningful and accountable decisions to improve the country.
Rudd or Crean will lead the ALP to the next election. They will be the sacrafcial lambs, bought in to minimize the massive swing against the ALP that keeping Ju-liar would ensure.
Abbott will win in a landslide nonetheless, and Shorten will replace Rudd/Crean. Even though Abbot is a slimy knob, at least we will have a clear majority government (probably with slightly more competence than the current government), but then we will all get stung by the twisting of Abbot's pre-election policies. Plus he could drag out a few 'gems' from the past like work choices.
So i can't see the Libs under Abbott getting re-elected.
It's the same poot over and over again.
1 term governments. Get used to it, because that's the way it's all heading!
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the truley sad part is that the other option is buffoon in his own right.
the next election will be like deciding between a douche bag and poo sandwich
:lol
Bring back Latham. At least he was entertaining
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great post DD. :thumbsup
I'm not an expert in politics, but what gets up my nose is we actually pay these people. Over governed from local council, state and federal MP's parading around while we continually top up their wages.
We pay people to do a job(lightly used) that lets face it a lot of people can do.
They are not smart people they are puppets, walking around waiting for the next bloke to knife them.
The circus that has been the ALP in the last few years particular has made me embarrassed to say she is the leader of our country.
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anyone watching Bolt report on 10.
Does anyone else feel embarrassed that we are being led by such an incompetent party and leader in Gillard.
What a circus, i just cant believe we actually pay these guys
Who in their right mind would rely on Andrew Bolt for their news :rollin. Of course he will trash anything Labor and call it the worst government ever - he's a hardline conservative :sleep. He represents all that is wrong with the modern media where real journalism has been replaced by opinionated political cheerleaders who are more one-eyed about their side of politics than a footy fan is about their team.
If people want to bag Gillard and the Federal Government then that's their right but to call it the "worst ever in Australia history" is ridiculous. Of course the Liberal crowd suffer amnesia when it comes to remembering the Fraser goverment of double digit unemployment, 21% interest rates, high inflation to the point Howard as treasurer was advocating wage freezing and an Australian economy driven into the ground and stalled due to zero economic reform. Everyone knows the high Aussie dollar is hurting non-mining exporters, manufacturing, tourism industry and retail (high A$ making internet shopping even cheaper). That will continue while the mining boom and high global commodity prices stays continues irrespective of who is in government. Eliminating penalty rates sure won't alter the situation expect reduce the take-home pay of workers.
One thing I think we can all agree on daniel is we are over-governed with three tiers of government and virtually all pollies these days come via the Arts/Law uni degree conveyor belt. No wonder they all think and act the same. Just look at here in Victoria where Baillieu was against myki, the desal plant, regional rail link and a host of other projects when in opposition on top of promising nurses and co. significant wage rises during the last election campaign yet once in government he's done a 180 on every one of these. Every pollie lies to gain/stay in power.
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anyone watching Bolt report on 10.
Does anyone else feel embarrassed that we are being led by such an incompetent party and leader in Gillard.
What a circus, i just cant believe we actually pay these guys
Who in their right mind would rely on Andrew Bolt for their news :rollin. Of course he will trash anything Labor and call it the worst government ever - he's a hardline conservative :sleep. He represents all that is wrong with the modern media where real journalism has been replaced by opinionated political cheerleaders who are more one-eyed about their side of politics than a footy fan is about their team.
If people want to bag Gillard and the Federal Government then that's their right but to call it the "worst ever in Australia history" is ridiculous. Of course the Liberal crowd suffer amnesia when it comes to remembering the Fraser goverment of double digit unemployment, 21% interest rates, high inflation to the point Howard as treasurer was advocating wage freezing and an Australian economy driven into the ground and stalled due to zero economic reform. Everyone knows the high Aussie dollar is hurting non-mining exporters, manufacturing, tourism industry and retail (high A$ making internet shopping even cheaper). That will continue while the mining boom and high global commodity prices stays continues irrespective of who is in government. Eliminating penalty rates sure won't alter the situation expect reduce the take-home pay of workers.
One thing I think we can all agree on daniel is we are over-governed with three tiers of government and virtually all pollies these days come via the Arts/Law uni degree conveyor belt. No wonder they all think and act the same. Just look at here in Victoria where Baillieu was against myki, the desal plant, regional rail link and a host of other projects when in opposition on top of promising nurses and co. significant wage rises during the last election campaign yet once in government he's done a 180 on every one of these. Every pollie lies to gain/stay in power.
I dont need Andrew Bolt to tell me Labour party is a complete farce right now, they do it all on their own.
As for Fraser well who cares that was 30 years ago lets talk about the performance now.
Have you honestly looked at Gillard's performance in isolation forgetting about your loyalty to Labour? I asked my father recently re: Carbon Tax if it were Liberal who introduced this tax would you in support of it? his response yes i would.
hahahahaha what a load of crap. You vote for the party not the policy
I have voted Labour all my life, my father even works at the poll booths but since they brought in Gillard that was the end for me.
Is Abbott any better? No, in some ways worse with his work choices rubbish he may bring back to life but he is still a better option that what we currently have.
Too right about good ol ted backflipped on everything which is why i scratch my head that these blokes are paid top $$$ for doing SFA. His just another puppett.
Cant wait for Swan tomorrow after tomorrows RBA announcement if it goes as planned.
"Its un Australian to not pass on the full 25 pts, shop around make the banks pay"
I mean this is the kind of rubbish we are paying these 3 levels of government to say. Robby Doyle judging which buskers get gigs in the CBD.
WTF!!!
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anyone watching Bolt report on 10.
Does anyone else feel embarrassed that we are being led by such an incompetent party and leader in Gillard.
What a circus, i just cant believe we actually pay these guys
Who in their right mind would rely on Andrew Bolt for their news :rollin. Of course he will trash anything Labor and call it the worst government ever - he's a hardline conservative :sleep. He represents all that is wrong with the modern media where real journalism has been replaced by opinionated political cheerleaders who are more one-eyed about their side of politics than a footy fan is about their team.
If people want to bag Gillard and the Federal Government then that's their right but to call it the "worst ever in Australia history" is ridiculous. Of course the Liberal crowd suffer amnesia when it comes to remembering the Fraser goverment of double digit unemployment, 21% interest rates, high inflation to the point Howard as treasurer was advocating wage freezing and an Australian economy driven into the ground and stalled due to zero economic reform. Everyone knows the high Aussie dollar is hurting non-mining exporters, manufacturing, tourism industry and retail (high A$ making internet shopping even cheaper). That will continue while the mining boom and high global commodity prices stays continues irrespective of who is in government. Eliminating penalty rates sure won't alter the situation expect reduce the take-home pay of workers.
One thing I think we can all agree on daniel is we are over-governed with three tiers of government and virtually all pollies these days come via the Arts/Law uni degree conveyor belt. No wonder they all think and act the same. Just look at here in Victoria where Baillieu was against myki, the desal plant, regional rail link and a host of other projects when in opposition on top of promising nurses and co. significant wage rises during the last election campaign yet once in government he's done a 180 on every one of these. Every pollie lies to gain/stay in power.
what I agree with is that we are over-governed.
You mention the high interest rates during the Fraser government but fail to mention interest rates during Paul Keatings tenure.
You mention state politics but fail to mention that the state ALP stuffed up so bad on all those issues & wasted so much money that the Baillieu government are hamstrung by the stupid spending if the previous government. You fail to mention that the Cain/Kerner state ALP were so on the nose that even Tassie was laughing at us. Kennett came in, made the hard decisions and brought the state back from a -A rating to the most livable city in the world.
Facts are that this current federal government was left with a giant amount of money in the bank but the ALP can't help themselves and spend spend spend. They come up with ideas sometimes good but fail to implement those ideas effeciently.
Pink batts.
Building the education revolution.
Cash for clunkers.
Carbon dioxide tax just to name a few.
......and What will be the biggest waste of money; The broadband network.
All governments have made bad calls from time to time but this current federal government will top them all in idiocy.
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Daniel if you are going to label a government the worst ever, then governments for 30 years ago are very relevant, beacause that statement is a comparison.
The state of play for australia was a lot worse under the fraser liberal govt than it is now. They were the only govt in our history to legislate that home loans could not rise above a certain figure, a strange move indeed from a party whose basic policy is non interventionist, but one they felt they had to do to save face in the wake of a economic nightmare
The other thing worth noting when comparing then and now is how the libs got into power.
not by convincing the australian public that they are a competent and capable government with sound policies, but by blocking supply and forcing the dismissal of the whitlam goverment.
there are some scary parallels between then and now as mr rabbit has no policies of his own, but uses the status of parliament to block everything they can that the govt tries to do.
the opposition are in a unique position in they can actually influence decision making in a positive way, but elect to be totally negative in an attempt to bring down the govt down and bugger the consequences.
lets hope thats as far as the parallels end or we are in for some serious pain when they win the next election.
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Daniel if you are going to label a government the worst ever, then governments for 30 years ago are very relevant, beacause that statement is a comparison.
The state of play for australia was a lot worse under the fraser liberal govt than it is now. They were the only govt in our history to legislate that home loans could not rise above a certain figure, a strange move indeed from a party whose basic policy is non interventionist, but one they felt they had to do to save face in the wake of a economic nightmare
The other thing worth noting when comparing then and now is how the libs got into power.
not by convincing the australian public that they are a competent and capable government with sound policies, but by blocking supply and forcing the dismissal of the whitlam goverment.
there are some scary parallels between then and now as mr rabbit has no policies of his own, but uses the status of parliament to block everything they can that the govt tries to do.
the opposition are in a unique position in they can actually influence decision making in a positive way, but elect to be totally negative in an attempt to bring down the govt down and bugger the consequences.
lets hope thats as far as the parallels end or we are in for some serious pain when they win the next election.
ok Al but you too fail to compare the waste of this current government with the stable & sound econonmic management of the previous government.
Again mention Fraser but fail to mention Keating.
The facts are that this government is wasteful & incompetent.
They couldn't even organise a bake sale without wasting billions of tax payer funds only on a committee that decides on whether or not they should implement a bake sale. Then only to get someone like Peter Garrett to be minister in charge of the bake sale & he's been excellent in everything he's in charge of.
The coalition will release policy before the next election. Why give this stupid government great ideas that they can steal. We already have seen how the ALP can do this with the "me too" policies of Kevin '07.
Anyway if you want to compare governments in the last 30 years then do it properly.
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The coalition will release policy before the next election.
You are right ....
But Mr Abbott has already said (last week at the Nat Press Club) that his "policies" may not end up being promises but rather aspirations
Which is a cute way of saying when you change policy after an election "I am not lying because I didn't promise it"
ok Al but you too fail to compare the waste of this current government with the stable & sound econonmic management of the previous government.
But seriously Mr Tigra you are failing to recognise or it would appear to be failing to acknowledge the concept of comparison.
You seem to be only willing to compare the current govt to the previous one.
If people are going to say this current govt is the worst govt in Australia's then by simple definition it must be compared to all previous governments whatever the affiliation.
That's means comparing this one to the previous one (Howard), then the one before that (Keating/Hawke), the one before that (Fraser), the one before that (Whitlam) and the one before that (McMahon) etc etc.
If you people do that objectively then the answer will vary from person to person.
IMHO the Fraser govt was a very poor govt and I am not talking about the interest rates, unemployment numbers. I'm speak from remembering how tough it was for my widowed mother to raise 2 small kids on a pension and watching her have to plead with govt agencies (in those days Social Security) to maintain her benefits. Trust me back then the govt of the day wasn't as generous as govts are today with welfare. ANd pension increases were few and far between
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The coalition will release policy before the next election. Why give this stupid government great ideas that they can steal.
:lol
The opposition can't release policies because they don't have any that are finalised.
Last election they refused to let their policies to be audited properly to hide the $70 billion dollar black hole.
We might have to put up with Tony as PM but he will be a one term PM.
:cheers
:thumbsup
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IMHO the Fraser govt was a very poor govt and I am not talking about the interest rates, unemployment numbers. I'm speak from remembering how tough it was for my widowed mother to raise 2 small kids on a pension and watching her have to plead with govt agencies (in those days Social Security) to maintain her benefits. Trust me back then the govt of the day wasn't as generous as govts are today with welfare. ANd pension increases were few and far between
Malcolm Fraser was asked to define what a poor family was.
His response: "A poor family is one that can't afford a second car"
FACT
:cheers
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Great to see Mike Willesse back last night. Finally a no nonsense interviewer who is not afraid to be direct. Just showed what a fool Gillard is thinking Rudd is no threat for the leadership.
I hope he gets to interview Abbott also for a bit of balance. That could be an interesting interview as unlike Gillard, Abbott will provide answers to questions. What the answers will be? Who knows these days. ;D
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That could be an interesting interview as unlike Gillard, Abbott will provide answers to questions.
Who are you kidding?
Abbott will provide answers to questions. Ha
He will certainly respond but whether he answers the questions or not is another matter.
:cheers
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Why do you blokes waste your time talking about this? Whatever way you look at it a dumbass is going to be running our country. Face it and move on.
Talk about the Tiges :gotigers
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True enough but there are differences.
Being a greenie I'm all for the Carbon Tax, the Liberals are more about profits for big business and tax breaks for the wealthy.
:cheers
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Malcolm Fraser was asked to define what a poor family was.
His response: "A poor family is one that can't afford a second car"
FACT
:cheers
True
The Fraser govt epitomised the saying "the rich get richer, the poor get poorer"
My family lived it
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Great to see Mike Willesse back last night. Finally a no nonsense interviewer who is not afraid to be direct. Just showed what a fool Gillard is thinking Rudd is no threat for the leadership.
I hope he gets to interview Abbott also for a bit of balance. That could be an interesting interview as unlike Gillard, Abbott will provide answers to questions. What the answers will be? Who knows these days. ;D
Seriously tiga what did you expect her to say "Yes Mike I know he wants my job and I'm going to cut him off at the knees" ;D.
But I do agree would like to see him interview Abbott though I don't think he will provide many answers to many questions; especially any that are remotely tough (I've got a couple for him). But we might get to see the re-appearance of Tony the Bobble Head Doll impersonation back on display and that would be fun :thumbsup
It was great to see Mike Willesse last night & sober too :rollin :lol :rollin
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The carbon dioxide tax isn't even implemented yet but we are already seeing the effects on business.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/terry-mccranns-column/our-carbon-tax-future-has-started/story-e6frfig6-1226188102426 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/terry-mccranns-column/our-carbon-tax-future-has-started/story-e6frfig6-1226188102426)
This government and the greens are going to ruin this country.
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The carbon dioxide tax isn't even implemented yet but we are already seeing the effects on business.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/terry-mccranns-column/our-carbon-tax-future-has-started/story-e6frfig6-1226188102426 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/terry-mccranns-column/our-carbon-tax-future-has-started/story-e6frfig6-1226188102426)
This government and the greens are going to ruin this country.
Unfortunately, Mr Tigra; Terry McCrann is another journo that's hard to take seriously when it comes to his ...er.... editorials regarding this govt. He is on par with Andrew Bolt regarding his bias.
I sometimes wonder if they stand around the coffee machine at the HUN and discuss who will write what and when ;D
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Typical of all cheersquad members, a little one-eyed..........
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The carbon dioxide tax isn't even implemented yet but we are already seeing the effects on business.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/terry-mccranns-column/our-carbon-tax-future-has-started/story-e6frfig6-1226188102426 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/terry-mccranns-column/our-carbon-tax-future-has-started/story-e6frfig6-1226188102426)
This government and the greens are going to ruin this country.
Unfortunately, Mr Tigra; Terry McCrann is another journo that's hard to take seriously when it comes to his ...er.... editorials regarding this govt. He is on par with Andrew Bolt regarding his bias.
I sometimes wonder if they stand around the coffee machine at the HUN and discuss who will write what and when ;D
and where will I find unbiased commentary......the age?
The question that's relevent here is "what difference will this tax make to the temperature of Australia?
And there's a more relevent question; "what difference will this tax have on businesses in this country?
Don't dismiss everything just because you don't agree with them. I've read countless articles from the governments cheif climate change guru Tim flannery, don't agree with it but still read it.
Especially since many of his predictions haven't eventuated.
Can you blame a guy getting paid thousands of dollars per year to work part time to spruke a government line so they can implement a stupid policy?
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Don't dismiss everything just because you don't agree with them. I've read countless articles from the governments cheif climate change guru Tim flannery, don't agree with it but still read it.
Especially since many of his predictions haven't eventuated.
Can you blame a guy getting paid thousands of dollars per year to work part time to spruke a government line so they can implement a stupid policy?
Who said I don't read it just dismiss it?
Similar to you and believe it or not I read it and in this case I dont agree with it.
But as I said McCrann is another journo who's writing's seem incredibly biased when it comes to this govt which sadly seems to be the "norm" with the HUN and it's sister publications.
I try and read all of Bolt's articles but usually stop when he starts repeating the same stuff over and over again
And yes you should give the Age a read - gives the view from the otherside. ;D
Actually recently I reckon the most balanced political comments in the print media have come from Laurie Oakes and that's saying something because he's been known over the years for his bias. But the past 6-8 months his weekly servings in the HUN have been very balanced indeed :o
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and where will I find unbiased commentary......the age?
There are very few real journos out there now who just present facts as they are known and let the reader make up their own mind about issues. Most "journos" these days just pass off their politically biased opinion as 'fact' and cherry pick info to try and back it up. The old saying of don't believe everything you read in the papers is more apt now than ever.
The question that's relevent here is "what difference will this tax make to the temperature of Australia?
And there's a more relevent question; "what difference will this tax have on businesses in this country?
Strawman's argument/question the first one. It will be a eventual global carbon pricing scheme(s) that will provide the main environmental impact. The carbox tax and even moreso the ETS from 2015 is mostly an economic reform. Its purpose is to gradually over time (40+ years) reduce our own emissions and to move the Australian economy away from its heavy reliance on fossil fuels for all its energy needs (which we need to do) while maintaining economic growth. At the moment 80%+ of our energy needs comes from fossil fuels. Doing nothing except twiddling our thumbs while waiting for the full-scale global carbon pricing scheme to come into play and while the rest of the world moves towards new/alternative "cleaner" energy technology would be economic suicide for Australia. Good luck expecting businesses in this country, especially our exporters, to survive into the future when in time they are further and further competitively priced out of the global marketplace because 80% of the energy required to produce Australian goods and services still comes from old-school fossil fuels using by then out of date technology. If you don't move along with progress then you'll be left behind and much poorer for it.
ps. the increasing retainment of thermal/heat energy due to man increasing CO2 levels and artifically enhancing the greenhouse effect is the basic issue. Thermal energy is a physical quantity while temperature isn't (temperature is just the measurement of heat). More thermal energy means the Earth's climate system has more energy to play with. Sure in time (trending over decades) the mean global surface temperature rises (ie. global warming) but it also means the possibility of the extremes of climate (hot/cold/dry/wet) becoming more intense and more frequent. That is not only an environmental issue but it is also an economic one. Increasing unbounded economic risk = increasing unbounded $$$ costs to society. 'Doing nothing' and ignoring an significant issue of risk also has its major economic consequences.
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anyone watching Bolt report on 10.
Does anyone else feel embarrassed that we are being led by such an incompetent party and leader in Gillard.
What a circus, i just cant believe we actually pay these guys
Who in their right mind would rely on Andrew Bolt for their news :rollin. Of course he will trash anything Labor and call it the worst government ever - he's a hardline conservative :sleep. He represents all that is wrong with the modern media where real journalism has been replaced by opinionated political cheerleaders who are more one-eyed about their side of politics than a footy fan is about their team.
If people want to bag Gillard and the Federal Government then that's their right but to call it the "worst ever in Australia history" is ridiculous. Of course the Liberal crowd suffer amnesia when it comes to remembering the Fraser goverment of double digit unemployment, 21% interest rates, high inflation to the point Howard as treasurer was advocating wage freezing and an Australian economy driven into the ground and stalled due to zero economic reform. Everyone knows the high Aussie dollar is hurting non-mining exporters, manufacturing, tourism industry and retail (high A$ making internet shopping even cheaper). That will continue while the mining boom and high global commodity prices stays continues irrespective of who is in government. Eliminating penalty rates sure won't alter the situation expect reduce the take-home pay of workers.
One thing I think we can all agree on daniel is we are over-governed with three tiers of government and virtually all pollies these days come via the Arts/Law uni degree conveyor belt. No wonder they all think and act the same. Just look at here in Victoria where Baillieu was against myki, the desal plant, regional rail link and a host of other projects when in opposition on top of promising nurses and co. significant wage rises during the last election campaign yet once in government he's done a 180 on every one of these. Every pollie lies to gain/stay in power.
I dont need Andrew Bolt to tell me Labour party is a complete farce right now, they do it all on their own.
As for Fraser well who cares that was 30 years ago lets talk about the performance now.
Have you honestly looked at Gillard's performance in isolation forgetting about your loyalty to Labour? I asked my father recently re: Carbon Tax if it were Liberal who introduced this tax would you in support of it? his response yes i would.
hahahahaha what a load of crap. You vote for the party not the policy
I have voted Labour all my life, my father even works at the poll booths but since they brought in Gillard that was the end for me.
Is Abbott any better? No, in some ways worse with his work choices rubbish he may bring back to life but he is still a better option that what we currently have.
Too right about good ol ted backflipped on everything which is why i scratch my head that these blokes are paid top $$$ for doing SFA. His just another puppett.
Cant wait for Swan tomorrow after tomorrows RBA announcement if it goes as planned.
"Its un Australian to not pass on the full 25 pts, shop around make the banks pay"
I mean this is the kind of rubbish we are paying these 3 levels of government to say. Robby Doyle judging which buskers get gigs in the CBD.
WTF!!!
My point wasn't to defend Gillard per se daniel but to respond to posts that ridiculously claimed this was the worst Australian government ever. I think it's fair to argue that the Fraser government has that title in the bag given it failed disasterously on every fundamental economic indicator with Whitlam next in line. In any case my criticisms of the Federal government (current and past) are different to most people and if I was PM lol I would be disliked very quickly as I would abolish most middle class welfare. We don't pay taxes so that people who earn more can get handouts worth thousands of dollars. I'd rather my taxes being pumped into infrastructure such as major rail and road projects which benefit the majority of the population and that leaves a lasting legacy. It'll never happen though as it would be politically unpopular as most people who receive these handouts now expect them as a entitlement :nopity. I'm also no fan of either side's policies on asylum seekers as it's all just done to appease the losers in our society who always whinge about new immigrants and need some scapegoat to vent their spleen about :sleep.
Btw I supported the idea of a consumption tax as the old sales/wholesales tax system was overcomplicated with its various arbritary different tax scales. The gun buyback scheme was a good idea.
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what I agree with is that we are over-governed.
You mention the high interest rates during the Fraser government but fail to mention interest rates during Paul Keatings tenure.
You mention state politics but fail to mention that the state ALP stuffed up so bad on all those issues & wasted so much money that the Baillieu government are hamstrung by the stupid spending if the previous government. You fail to mention that the Cain/Kerner state ALP were so on the nose that even Tassie was laughing at us. Kennett came in, made the hard decisions and brought the state back from a -A rating to the most livable city in the world.
Cain government was a dud as they gambled on the 80s boom continuing on and on for Victoria and got financially hammered when it crashed. Baillieu however inherited a strong Victorian economy and Labor ran 11 straight budget surpluses. No excuses for Ted. His government has had 18 months to change things if he wanted to but instead they have sat back and done nothing backflipping on every pre-election promise. He's lagging badly in the polls 45-55 which is saying something as Labor is hardly flavour of the month right now at Federal level. In any case they are state governments and the discussion was about the worst Australian government. A Government that has kept Australia out of recession despite a global financial crisis is hardly the worst. As for spend spend spend - most of that was on the stimulus measures to kept us out of recession and even so our debt levels are low relative to our GDP. The Libs can't one hand advocate bipartisan support for the stimilus measures that kept us out of recession if now they claim we shouldn't have gone into debt. You can't have it both ways. As for Hawke and Keating they came in and made the tough decisions and reforms to fix the mess the country was left in by Fraser and Howard. Sure they weren't perfect misreading the boom/bust cycle as many did but the resilient and flexible Australian economy we have now was set up by them. Howard admitted in 1996 he inherited a strong economy (and yes he and Costello left a strong one as well). Inflation was finally under control by the early 90s after high inflation levels had plagued Australia from the late 60s through to the 80s and that had brought down three governments (McMahon, Whitlam and Fraser).
Facts are that this current federal government was left with a giant amount of money in the bank but the ALP can't help themselves and spend spend spend. They come up with ideas sometimes good but fail to implement those ideas effeciently.
Pink batts.
Building the education revolution.
Cash for clunkers.
Carbon dioxide tax just to name a few.
......and What will be the biggest waste of money; The broadband network.
All governments have made bad calls from time to time but this current federal government will top them all in idiocy.
I'll give you pink batts and cash for clunkers. Actually the pink batts brought up another issue in the findings which was never followed up in the media. IIRC one the deaths occurred in a roof that had been left electricially live for 10 years. It had been a death trap left in waiting. Now how many potential cases like this are still out there? :help. The education one was mostly a success. Something like up to 97% successful in fact. It was the remaining 3% where there were delays and costly overruns (mostly in Vic surprise surprise with our public service ::) ). The carbon tax isn't even in yet while the NBN is updating our telecommunications/internet infrastructure to which Abbott and one his Sydney-based shockjock cheerleaders showed they didn't have a clue about a few weeks back :wallywink. Abbott is at his weakest when he has to discuss an issue beyond his usual one-line slogans and cliches.
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I repeat for the 1 millionth time that climate change in the context in which the greenies paint climate change is nothing more than a scam. Where are all the greenies now with the earth is getting warmer garbage with half or Europe under snow and large tracts of Australia flooded. The climate has been changing since the begining of time, sometimes its hot sometimes its cold, sometimes it doesnt rain for a while and then you get floods. Thats how it works. So I repeat for the last time Climate Change in the context of how the greenies paint it is nothing but a dishonest scam that socialist governments are backing because they wanna carbon tax their communities. ITS ALL A RORT!
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I repeat for the 1 millionth time that climate change in the context in which the greenies paint climate change is nothing more than a scam. Where are all the greenies now with the earth is getting warmer garbage with half or Europe under snow and large tracts of Australia flooded. The climate has been changing since the begining of time, sometimes its hot sometimes its cold, sometimes it doesnt rain for a while and then you get floods. Thats how it works. So I repeat for the last time Climate Change in the context of how the greenies paint it is nothing but a dishonest scam that socialist governments are backing because they wanna carbon tax their communities. ITS ALL A RORT!
That's right, they made it up just so they could introduce a nice new big tax.
:help
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I repeat for the 1 millionth time that climate change in the context in which the greenies paint climate change is nothing more than a scam. Where are all the greenies now with the earth is getting warmer garbage with half or Europe under snow and large tracts of Australia flooded. The climate has been changing since the begining of time, sometimes its hot sometimes its cold, sometimes it doesnt rain for a while and then you get floods. Thats how it works. So I repeat for the last time Climate Change in the context of how the greenies paint it is nothing but a dishonest scam that socialist governments are backing because they wanna carbon tax their communities. ITS ALL A RORT!
That's right, they made it up just so they could introduce a nice new big tax.
:help
Where are all your Greenie mates with their it will never rain again theories. Haven't heard from them for a while now :lol
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I repeat for the 1 millionth time that climate change in the context in which the greenies paint climate change is nothing more than a scam. Where are all the greenies now with the earth is getting warmer garbage with half or Europe under snow and large tracts of Australia flooded. The climate has been changing since the begining of time, sometimes its hot sometimes its cold, sometimes it doesnt rain for a while and then you get floods. Thats how it works. So I repeat for the last time Climate Change in the context of how the greenies paint it is nothing but a dishonest scam that socialist governments are backing because they wanna carbon tax their communities. ITS ALL A RORT!
That's right, they made it up just so they could introduce a nice new big tax.
:help
Where are all your Greenie mates with their it will never rain again theories. Haven't heard from them for a while now :lol
hahahaha
is there a worse political group going around. I highly doubt it.
The world is hot the world is cold. Bunch of paranoid freaks
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I repeat for the 1 millionth time that climate change in the context in which the greenies paint climate change is nothing more than a scam. Where are all the greenies now with the earth is getting warmer garbage with half or Europe under snow and large tracts of Australia flooded. The climate has been changing since the begining of time, sometimes its hot sometimes it's cold, sometimes it doesnt rain for a while and then you get floods. Thats how it works. So I repeat for the last time Climate Change in the context of how the greenies paint it is nothing but a dishonest scam that socialist governments are backing because they wanna carbon tax their communities. ITS ALL A RORT!
agree. :thumbsup
well done flags. :cheers
I ask anyone to show empirical evidence that the world is warming.
From all the so called experts and their computer modelling they didn't expect all the rain & snow. Now that have to come up with another so called theory as to why the last decade has been so cold because the computers didn't tell them it was going to happen.
And let's not mention maybe this sort of thing happens every so many years. It gets really hot & then it gets really cold like in the seventies when the scare then was another ice age was coming but Im sure they'll come up with an excuse for that too.
I reckon these experts of global warming theory should unplug their computers & go back to the drawing board. But they mightn't get the government funding just ask Tim Flannery.
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If you think Julia Gillard is struggling check this out.
http://www.mtr1377.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7445&Itemid=438
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If you think Julia Gillard is struggling check this out.
http://www.mtr1377.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7445&Itemid=438
yeh good spot richo.
I already heard this live on air. Hilarious.
She's definitely from the same school of BS. Probably getting groomed for a federal ALP seat too.
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ive heard enough
the party is the laughing stock of the nation. FACT
I hope Turnbull makes a play for PM as then we would see the worst defeat in history. Even with Abbott the defeat will be big
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I'm not one to highlight usually physical differences ::), but the growing a r s e on Ju-liar is more of an embarrassment than her policies. I mean, whilst the country goes to poot, she thinks its JIVE to put on 3-4 stone? Whats next? The roman binge and purge?
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I'm not one to highlight usually physical differences ::), but the growing a r s e on Ju-liar is more of an embarrassment than her policies. I mean, whilst the country goes to poot, she thinks its JIVE to put on 3-4 stone? Whats next? The roman binge and purge?
Julia Gillard will be known as the worst prime minister in australias history but it won't have anything to do with her looks, her voice or her weight.
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The NBN is going well with only 1 in 9 people connecting.
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/ultra-fast-nbn-has-sluggish-take-up-with-only-one-in-nine-connected/story-e6frgakx-1226199546472 (http://m.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/ultra-fast-nbn-has-sluggish-take-up-with-only-one-in-nine-connected/story-e6frgakx-1226199546472)
this is a gross waste of taxpayer funds with an estimated cost to be around 36billion. If it's anything like all the other government stuff ups like pink batts, BER etc. Then I'd expect the cost to be probably 100 billion by the time it's finished.
... But hopefully the coalition government will be in charge and they can hopefully clean up the mess.
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The NBN is going well with only 1 in 9 people connecting.
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/ultra-fast-nbn-has-sluggish-take-up-with-only-one-in-nine-connected/story-e6frgakx-1226199546472 (http://m.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/ultra-fast-nbn-has-sluggish-take-up-with-only-one-in-nine-connected/story-e6frgakx-1226199546472)
this is a gross waste of taxpayer funds with an estimated cost to be around 36billion. If it's anything like all the other government stuff ups like pink batts, BER etc. Then I'd expect the cost to be probably 100 billion by the time it's finished.
... But hopefully the coalition government will be in charge and they can hopefully clean up the mess.
News Limited and the Australian in particular once again deliberately presenting misleading info ::).
Firstly NBN Co. didn't launch its commercial services on its networks until October last year (the Australian article was published just a month later) and those networks have so far only been rolled out to a fraction of the total population. Secondly most of the network numbers the Coalition and subsequently their News Limited and radio shockjock cheer squads quote include so-called Greenfields Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) networks which are mostly networks built by other companies and used by NBN Co. When you actually look at NBN rollout schedule on their own fibre infrastructure (Brownfields) freely available on the net (Page 15 of the link: http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/nbn-co-3-year-gbe-corporate-plan-final-17-dec-10.pdf ) you'll see they are on schedule. It won't be until June 2013 that we'll be able to first judge NBN Co. when it has planned to have signed up several hundred thousand active customers.
The NBN was originally estimated to cost $43b. It's now estimated at $36.5b. It will be a government asset that will return money when it's all finished. You know Governments are allowed to build essential infrastructure and have built most of the existing essential infrastructure we have. Of course the Libs nowdays don't believe in that. They just sell Government assets off while taxing us more to hand out more middle class welfare. Look at Abbott cry over people on $250k+ per annum rightly no longer receiving taxpayer funded health insurance rebates :nopity.
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I repeat for the 1 millionth time that climate change in the context in which the greenies paint climate change is nothing more than a scam. Where are all the greenies now with the earth is getting warmer garbage with half or Europe under snow and large tracts of Australia flooded. The climate has been changing since the begining of time, sometimes its hot sometimes its cold, sometimes it doesnt rain for a while and then you get floods. Thats how it works. So I repeat for the last time Climate Change in the context of how the greenies paint it is nothing but a dishonest scam that socialist governments are backing because they wanna carbon tax their communities. ITS ALL A RORT!
That's right, they made it up just so they could introduce a nice new big tax.
:help
It's all a conspiracy theory to the anti-science religious-nutty neo-cons :wallywink.
Ramps you mention climate change in a Greens context. Saying it like that seems a way to ignore climate change from a science context which has been studied for decades (CO2 in the atmosphere as far back as 1896) and global warming has been discussed since the late 1950s/early 1960s and has a whole stack of empirical evidence to support it. Also sure climate has always changed since long ago but we are discussing and measuring/quantifying the rate and magnitude of climate change. It's the latter that has altered rapidly over the past 150 years and measurably linked to our use of fossil fuels.
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I repeat for the 1 millionth time that climate change in the context in which the greenies paint climate change is nothing more than a scam. Where are all the greenies now with the earth is getting warmer garbage with half or Europe under snow and large tracts of Australia flooded. The climate has been changing since the begining of time, sometimes its hot sometimes its cold, sometimes it doesnt rain for a while and then you get floods. Thats how it works. So I repeat for the last time Climate Change in the context of how the greenies paint it is nothing but a dishonest scam that socialist governments are backing because they wanna carbon tax their communities. ITS ALL A RORT!
That's right, they made it up just so they could introduce a nice new big tax.
:help
It's all a conspiracy theory to the anti-science religious-nutty neo-cons :wallywink.
I was being sarcastic.
:cheers
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I ask anyone to show empirical evidence that the world is warming.
From all the so called experts and their computer modelling they didn't expect all the rain & snow. Now that have to come up with another so called theory as to why the last decade has been so cold because the computers didn't tell them it was going to happen.
And let's not mention maybe this sort of thing happens every so many years. It gets really hot & then it gets really cold like in the seventies when the scare then was another ice age was coming but Im sure they'll come up with an excuse for that too.
I reckon these experts of global warming theory should unplug their computers & go back to the drawing board. But they mightn't get the government funding just ask Tim Flannery.
The trend is still heading upwards ;). The past decade has been the warmest on record with 2010 the highest.
(http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif)
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Of course those in denial will always cherry pick any two data points on a graph to suit their "cooling" argument even though statistically it is meaningless and flawed :wallywink
(http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/SkepticsvRealistsv3.gif)
By the way weather and climate are not the same things.
Local weather conditions don't reflect global climate conditions.
The oceans are continuing to accrue heat. Remember how I said it was all about increasing thermal energy in the Earth's system.
http://www.agu.org/journals/gl/gl1118/2011GL048794/2011GL048794.pdf
The denialist myth about the majority of 70s climate scientists claiming the next ice age was nigh was debunked long ago as the myth is based only on Star Trek's Leonard Nimoy's old tv series :wallywink. Just as claiming global warming is based on computer modelling and not empirical evidence is another BS denialist claim. Regurgitating crap from Bolt and co. that has been debunked numerous times before including previously in this thread does you no favours Tigra.
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I repeat for the 1 millionth time that climate change in the context in which the greenies paint climate change is nothing more than a scam. Where are all the greenies now with the earth is getting warmer garbage with half or Europe under snow and large tracts of Australia flooded. The climate has been changing since the begining of time, sometimes its hot sometimes its cold, sometimes it doesnt rain for a while and then you get floods. Thats how it works. So I repeat for the last time Climate Change in the context of how the greenies paint it is nothing but a dishonest scam that socialist governments are backing because they wanna carbon tax their communities. ITS ALL A RORT!
That's right, they made it up just so they could introduce a nice new big tax.
:help
It's all a conspiracy theory to the anti-science religious-nutty neo-cons :wallywink.
I was being sarcastic.
:cheers
So was I ;)
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ive heard enough
the party is the laughing stock of the nation. FACT
I hope Turnbull makes a play for PM as then we would see the worst defeat in history. Even with Abbott the defeat will be big
Absolutely 100% agree with this.
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Kevin '07 was the saviour of all of australia's ills but was ousted because his own party said he was hopeless.
The party told us that one of the julia's (Im still not sure if it's the real one) was the best person to lead them moving forward. But in her speach she told us how great Kevin '07 was.
Now it looks like this great party might have changed it's mind & wants to tell us that maybe Rudd was the best person to lead them maybe because they installed the wrong Julia.
It's only a matter of time now that the house comes crashing down.
What a complete joke this party is!
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Kevin '07 was the saviour of all of australia's ills but was ousted because his own party said he was hopeless.
The party told us that one of the julia's (Im still not sure if it's the real one) was the best person to lead them moving forward. But in her speach she told us how great Kevin '07 was.
Now it looks like this great party might have changed it's mind & wants to tell us that maybe Rudd was the best person to lead them maybe because they installed the wrong Julia.
It's only a matter of time now that the house comes crashing down.
What a complete joke this party is!
Increasingly it is looking like we will need to suffer Abbott before the morons who vote for him come to their senses.
Oh well at least I will be better off financially, stuff the poor and the pensionerss and the workers can go get stuffed as well.
:cheers
'65
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I thought Abbott said that the Carbon Tax would mean the death of the coal industry?
Carbon tax fails to slow coal boom
The impending carbon price has done nothing to deter investment in the coal industry, with spending on exploration surging faster than any other mineral commodity.
Coal exploration spending in Australia leapt by 62 per cent last financial year as the industry dominated corporate activity in terms of both inbound investment and mergers and acquisitions.
Investment in searches for new coal deposits reached $520 million, pushing it closer to rivalling iron ore and gold - both of which also grew significantly on the back of record high commodity prices.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-tax-fails-to-slow-coal-boom-20120219-1th5v.html#ixzz1msbob0hl
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Kevin '07 was the saviour of all of australia's ills but was ousted because his own party said he was hopeless.
The party told us that one of the julia's (Im still not sure if it's the real one) was the best person to lead them moving forward. But in her speach she told us how great Kevin '07 was.
Now it looks like this great party might have changed it's mind & wants to tell us that maybe Rudd was the best person to lead them maybe because they installed the wrong Julia.
It's only a matter of time now that the house comes crashing down.
What a complete joke this party is!
Increasingly it is looking like we will need to suffer Abbott before the morons who vote for him come to their senses.
Oh well at least I will be better off financially, stuff the poor and the pensionerss and the workers can go get stuffed as well.
:cheers
'65
oh yes & the poor & the workers & the pensioners are all swimming in money now are they?
Or maybe we should all vote greens & see Australia fall into complete disaster.
Just a thought. Maybe this whole challenge to Julia is just another way labor can get someone else other than Kevin '07 or Julia into the leadership (ie bill shorten) without looking like they made a mistake the first time.
I wouldn't put anything past this joke of a party. The only thing worse would be the greens trying to run this country. God forbid.
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It all comes down to your choice of the loudest chicken little.
All sides are making it an art form in crying "the sky is falling".
The trend to use the various forms of social media, to cloud and form the general publics opinion, is becoming nauseating.
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I have just been listening to Christopher Pyne on ABC24 and he has convinced me.
I am putting my own selfish needs first above those of the great unwashed.
I am voting Liberal next time. How could you not vote for them, they are consummate politicians.
:lol
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Eventually you'll see the light 65 :lol
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65, remember a while ago how you regularly mentioned that Abbott was a dead man walking. It may have been the case back then, but with the current Labor dog and pony show the focus has well and truly moved off him and if anything has done him a big favour.
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Just watched QandA.
Bill Shorten is very impressive.
Julie Bishop is an embarrassing mindless idiot.
:cheers
'65
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Don't know what the eff to do. Can't vote Labour next time because there is no guarantee the elected PM will serve the full term, and can't vote Abbott because he makes G.W Bush look like Stephen Hawking. Someone get Turnbull in somehow so I can vote Liberal for the first time in my life and I don't have to feel guilty for voting for this Labour circus.
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"what a choice"
Australia's worst prime minister or Australias second worst prime minister"
Rudd by a nose only cause Gillard is a disgrace and I'd love to see Karma bite her back
Abbott reminds me of Newman in the final Seindeld episode
Sitting back all quiet not saying a word eating his popcorn and watching Labour party become the laughing stock of the country
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I am writing "bring back Mark Latham" for my vote. He's a crazy bloke but at least it would be entertaining with him kicking about. Imagine him as PM :lol
Gillard can kiss my ass. Turnbull is the bloke who should be PM
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"what a choice"
Australia's worst prime minister or Australias second worst prime minister"
Rudd by a nose only cause Gillard is a disgrace and I'd love to see Karma bite her back
Abbott reminds me of Newman in the final Seindeld episode
Sitting back all quiet not saying a word eating his popcorn and watching Labour party become the laughing stock of the country
:clapping :clapping
that's all he needs to do. Just sit back & watch them self destruct
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Just watched QandA.
Bill Shorten is very impressive.
Julie Bishop is an embarrassing mindless idiot.
:cheers
'65
one of them is a harvard graduate.
The other has been groomed in the union movement since birth.
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Abbott reminds me of Newman in the final Seindeld episode
Abbott reminds me of Groucho Marx in the movie "Horse Feathers" singing:
"Whatever it is, I'm Against It" ;D
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"what a choice"
Australia's worst prime minister or Australias second worst prime minister"
Rudd by a nose only cause Gillard is a disgrace and I'd love to see Karma bite her back
Abbott reminds me of Newman in the final Seindeld episode
Sitting back all quiet not saying a word eating his popcorn and watching Labour party become the laughing stock of the country
:clapping :clapping
that's all he needs to do. Just sit back & watch them self destruct
which is not a good thing
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Abbott reminds me of Newman in the final Seindeld episode
Abbott reminds me of Groucho Marx in the movie "Horse Feathers" singing:
"Whatever it is, I'm Against It" ;D
he could say anything right and i mean anything and he will still look a whole lot better than the state of the Labour party.
I cant believe those fools run our country i really cant.
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Loved today how Tony Windsor stated that if Rudd came into power he would shift his allegiance to Abbott. Pigs Ass he will! Just an empty threat from a man who's only job offer come next election will be to play the lead role in a Ghost of Christmas Past Pantomime at the Wonthaggi RSL.
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Loved today how Tony Windsor stated that if Rudd came into power he would shift his allegiance to Abbott. Pigs Ass he will! Just an empty threat from a man who's only job offer come next election will be to play the lead role in a Ghost of Christmas Past Pantomime at the Wonthaggi RSL.
is he the same guy that thought it was so important to have an NBN but didn't own an actual computer?
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Loved today how Tony Windsor stated that if Rudd came into power he would shift his allegiance to Abbott. Pigs Ass he will! Just an empty threat from a man who's only job offer come next election will be to play the lead role in a Ghost of Christmas Past Pantomime at the Wonthaggi RSL.
is he the same guy that thought it was so important to have an NBN but didn't own an actual computer?
And wasn't Oakeshott the guy that went off about cuts to the education budget but he didn't own an actual brain? ;D
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/brace-for-big-telstra-broadband-prices/story-fn7x8me2-1226283313795
Another great initiative by the Labour Party.
They should be applauded by some of the rubbish they come up with.
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Not a tax but looks like Australia is catching up to the rest of the world and classifying video games the same way as films and we'll finally have an 18+ rating. ;D
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Not a tax but looks like Australia is catching up to the rest of the world and classifying video games the same way as films and we'll finally have an 18+ rating. ;D
And this is a good thing? How?
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Not a tax but looks like Australia is catching up to the rest of the world and classifying video games the same way as films and we'll finally have an 18+ rating. ;D
And this is a good thing? How?
Agreed
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Not a tax but looks like Australia is catching up to the rest of the world and classifying video games the same way as films and we'll finally have an 18+ rating. ;D
And this is a good thing? How?
Depends where you sit on the whole Censorship/Nanny State vs Freedom of expression/speech debate
Is there a role of the government to protect its citizens from what it deems is inappropriate? What is innappropriate? Whats the difference between 18+ ratings in movies and video games?
And before anyone jumps the gun, there is no scientificly proven link between gaming and violence.
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Not a tax but looks like Australia is catching up to the rest of the world and classifying video games the same way as films and we'll finally have an 18+ rating. ;D
And this is a good thing? How?
Because a number of games get banned in Australia since they don't fit the MA15+ classication. As an adult I'm allowed to buy snuff, X-rated porn and realistically violent movies, but not allowed to play video games with the same content. Video game sales have dropped since consumers are taking their business online and 70% of the gaming demographic are between the ages of 25 an 40 so this takes care of the majority. Parents who are too lazy to actually take any responsibility no longer have to worry about their little Johnny killing hookers in a fantasy world because many titles with the MA15+ classification will move to R18+. There is even talk of removing the MA15+ classification altogether so there are no grey lines. It's either M or R. I'm a life long gamer since the Atari 2600, Commodore 64 and 386, and have a lot of mates in the game development industry (THQ, PikPok and Krome) and trust me when I say this is a big deal.
Game developers internationally are starting to ignore having DLC content for Australian gamers since the games are banned here anyway, and since major title bans of GTAIV and Left for Dead 2 (we got watered down versions and became the joke of the world in doing so), and the latest Mortal Kombat (banned outright.If mine got found at customs I would of been fined for contraband), video game sales in Australia have gone down almost 5%. This, coupled with the strong AUD and the US game developers and publishers shutting down their Australian studios (more jobs have been terminated in this industry than the car industry in the past 18 months. Ive had friends move to NZ and USA to find work) the Australian video game industry is in a very dire state. This new rule will start to heal it.
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Not a tax but looks like Australia is catching up to the rest of the world and classifying video games the same way as films and we'll finally have an 18+ rating. ;D
And this is a good thing? How?
Depends where you sit on the whole Censorship/Nanny State vs Freedom of expression/speech debate
Is there a role of the government to protect its citizens from what it deems is inappropriate? What is innappropriate? Whats the difference between 18+ ratings in movies and video games?
And before anyone jumps the gun, there is no scientificly proven link between gaming and violence.
If playing video games makes you violent, does playing monopoly make you a millionaire?
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:lol
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/brace-for-big-telstra-broadband-prices/story-fn7x8me2-1226283313795
Another great initiative by the Labour Party.
They should be applauded by some of the rubbish they come up with.
C'mon Daniel didn't you know that your nonna can't wait to connect to superfast Internet speeds so she can download the latest Italian movie from the old country?
;D
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Loved today how Tony Windsor stated that if Rudd came into power he would shift his allegiance to Abbott. Pigs Ass he will! Just an empty threat from a man who's only job offer come next election will be to play the lead role in a Ghost of Christmas Past Pantomime at the Wonthaggi RSL.
is he the same guy that thought it was so important to have an NBN but didn't own an actual computer?
And wasn't Oakeshott the guy that went off about cuts to the education budget but he didn't own an actual brain? ;D
:thumbsup
He is the one of the most pretentious members of parliment. Maybe second to Slipper.
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C'mon Daniel didn't you know that your nonna can't wait to connect to superfast Internet speeds so she can download the latest Italian movie from the old country?
;D
Do I detect a bit of an Italian accent there?
:thumbsup
Good people we Italians.
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C'mon Daniel didn't you know that your nonna can't wait to connect to superfast Internet speeds so she can download the latest Italian movie from the old country?
;D
Do I detect a bit of an Italian accent there?
:thumbsup
Good people we Italians.
Hey 65 how can you be a wog. You dont seem like a wog. Real wogs wouldnt be socialists ;D :lol
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C'mon Daniel didn't you know that your nonna can't wait to connect to superfast Internet speeds so she can download the latest Italian movie from the old country?
;D
Do I detect a bit of an Italian accent there?
:thumbsup
Good people we Italians.
You & I are paisano? I don't believe it. :gobdrop
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/brace-for-big-telstra-broadband-prices/story-fn7x8me2-1226283313795
Another great initiative by the Labour Party.
They should be applauded by some of the rubbish they come up with.
Yes because you can trust what News Limited says :lol. There are other ISPs to choose from so good luck to Telstra if they want to keep customers on the old copper wire network which will be decommissioned anyway.
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telstra is just eff ed.
Screwed over completely by a couple of parasitic lemoms.
A company once owned by the country will soon be based largely in India, employing very few australians.
And what did we get out this deal?
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/brace-for-big-telstra-broadband-prices/story-fn7x8me2-1226283313795
Another great initiative by the Labour Party.
They should be applauded by some of the rubbish they come up with.
Yes because you can trust what News Limited says :lol. There are other ISPs to choose from so good luck to Telstra if they want to keep customers on the old copper wire network which will be decommissioned anyway.
News limited, AFR it doesn't matter you will find similar stories elsewhere.
Facts are is it is a blatant waste of tax payer money which the youth will have to pay for in one way or another.
I have never heard of anyone anywhere, who complained of slow internet speed, but what do i know.
How could enabling baby boomers and pensioners faster internet speed be beneficial when they dont have a f.... computer
They don't care so why does the ALP once again wastefully spend, then on the other hand make the rest of us pay for it.
The Labour Party are the North Melbourne football club of politics. The party stands for nothing and will sleep with anyone to stay afloat
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Daniel, the NBN isn't to increase internet speeds in Australia. Our country is the size of Europe and much of it is unconnected unless you pay for crappy wireless fed off satellites. Even the fringe areas of capital cities are on 50+ year old copper or RIMs. Upgrading the network means that everybody in Australia, regardless of location, will have access to the same quality internet. While you can argue that a large demographic (in this case, baby boomers) would find this irrelevant, it will be a requirement for all developed nations in the very near future i.e the current generation coming through.
Info on RIMs http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/rim_remote_integrated_multiplexer
Where Australia stands globally on internet speeds: http://www.xinz.org/blog/fastest-slowest-internet-speed-in-world/ (just for curiosity's sake :D)
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Theyre building infrastucture that wont reach full capacity for 50 years, i heard one lib complain. :lol :wallywink
in thirty years time they will be grateful they don't have to spend thousands of billions upgrading the system to cope.
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Theyre building infrastucture that wont reach full capacity for 50 years, i heard one lib complain. :lol :wallywink
in thirty years time they will be grateful they don't have to spend thousands of billions upgrading the system to cope.
you can waste your money on fibre optics or you can invest in the future which will be wireless technology.
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you're dreaming.
wireless technology doesn't have the bandwidth of fibre.
wireless technology is constantly evolving so one day it may catch up. in the mean time it means constant and expensive upgrading of infrastructure, which means consumers must constantly update their hardware to take advantage.
I only have to move from a rural area to a suburban area now as it is to witness how congestion affects wireless streaming, and that's in the crappy low def g3 format.
Every telco wanted in on the NBN except telstra who spat the dummy initially. after threatening to go their own way with wireless, they saw the light and joined the party too.
It seems the telcos dont have such faith in wireless.
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you're dreaming.
wireless technology doesn't have the bandwidth of fibre.
wireless technology is constantly evolving so one day it may catch up. in the mean time it means constant and expensive upgrading of infrastructure, which means consumers must constantly update their hardware to take advantage.
I only have to move from a rural area to a suburban area now as it is to witness how congestion affects wireless streaming, and that's in the crappy low def g3 format.
Every telco wanted in on the NBN except telstra who spat the dummy initially. after threatening to go their own way with wireless, they saw the light and joined the party too.
It seems the telcos dont have such faith in wireless.
then why is South Korea who have had the fibre network for years and have the fastest Internet speeds on the planet investing now into high speed wireless technology?
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dunno, is their fibre network near capacity?
perhaps they are just taking the short sighted cheap option that politicians normally do. It is rare for pollies to take long term views in their decision making.
what frequency will they run? at the higher frequencies i believe you get greater speeds but less distance, which probably isnt an issue in small, densely populated countries.
Australia on the other hand......
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I don't get it.
Did Julia speak to bob carr or not?
Maybe it was one of the julias, the question is which one....?
a) the original Julia
b) the real Julia
c) the liar Julia
d) the new Julia
Anyway it's nice to know that we have new foreign affairs minister that ruined the state of NSW as much as the Cain/Kerner government did in Victoria.
Ps. It's also refreshing to know that another ex union official Brendan O'Connor has been given the small business portfolio. He has never had a real job or NEVER run a business of any sort. :banghead
Thankyou prime minister.
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i want to wipe the smug smile of her face with a fire bomb
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You boys will have a stroke if she wins the next election.
I wonder how long before Turnbull challenges Mr Rabbitt?
:lol
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You boys will have a stroke if she wins the next election.
I wonder how long before Turnbull challenges Mr Rabbitt?
:lol
If she wins :lol That day that happens is the day Bojangleburg doesn't come across as a total goose.
As much as I'd love Big Sexy Turnbull to become leader again it just ain't going to happen. Not for a while at least
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I don't get it.
Did Julia speak to bob carr or not?
Maybe it was one of the julias, the question is which one....?
a) the original Julia
b) the real Julia
c) the liar Julia
d) the new Julia
Julia is like a can of coke. Red, full of fizzy nothingness, and in the 80s had a tattoo of Max Headroom on her a rse.
But is she Original Julia? Julia Zero? Cherry Julia? Or Diet Julia?
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Ass Fanta
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Jokes aside, I like her passion.
Nobody can question that.
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Dwaino gold :clapping
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Jokes aside, I like her passion.
Nobody can question that.
her passion for what?? wasting money??
yeah i agree she has a real eye for that detail the dumb slag
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzu0d8S40V1rozd8co1_500.jpg)
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Anyway it's nice to know that we have new foreign affairs minister that ruined the state of NSW as much as the Cain/Kerner government did in Victoria.
During Carr’s 10 years as Premier net debt was reduced from 7.4 percent of gross state product to zero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Carr
Not his fault those after him (post-2005) stuffed things up.
Ps. It's also refreshing to know that another ex union official Brendan O'Connor has been given the small business portfolio. He has never had a real job or NEVER run a business of any sort. :banghead
Thankyou prime minister.
If we are going to criticise pollies about not ever having a "real" job then by your own definition Abbott is right up there having been a uni student rep., monk, journo and long-time politician.
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Anyway it's nice to know that we have new foreign affairs minister that ruined the state of NSW as much as the Cain/Kerner government did in Victoria.
During Carr’s 10 years as Premier net debt was reduced from 7.4 percent of gross state product to zero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Carr
Not his fault those after him (post-2005) stuffed things up.
Ps. It's also refreshing to know that another ex union official Brendan O'Connor has been given the small business portfolio. He has never had a real job or NEVER run a business of any sort. :banghead
Thankyou prime minister.
If we are going to criticise pollies about not ever having a "real" job then by your own definition Abbott is right up there having been a uni student rep., monk, journo and long-time politician.
MT, I have always admired you on your thorough & fact filled answers to mostly all of your posts but you failed to mention that Abbott did have a short stint running a concrete Plant at Pioneer concrete which is more I can say for mostly all of the current front bench of the ALP.
Why don't you do what you usually do & provide us with all the facts & inform us all on their respective careers, in business & academic acheivements of our most important pollies.
Gillard Vs Abbott
Swan vs Hockey.
I dare you. ;D
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I'll start.
Brendan O'Connor (ALP) vs Bruce Billson (Libs.)
Brendan O'Connor
Qualifications BA, LLB (Monash); Diploma in Industrial Relations (Harvard)
He was educated in Ireland and Australia, taking degrees in Arts and Law at Monash University. In 1995, he participated in the Harvard Trade Union Program at Harvard Law School, Harvard University.
He firstly began his union career as an organiser with the now defunct Municipal Employees Union of Victoria. And then he was Assistant National Secretary with the Australian Services Union before entering politics.
Former Occupations Union Official, 1986 - 2001.
Business experience. NONE
Bruce Billson
Qualifications BBus (RMIT); Graduate Diploma of Management (RMIT)
Bruce has a Masters degree in Business Leadership, and a post-graduate Management Diploma and Bachelor of Business from RMIT University. He also won the 1992 RMIT/MAV Local Government Law Prize and qualified as a Municipal Clerk.
As a former small business owner with his wife Kate, Bruce is also extremely active in assisting small businesses in outer metropolitan economies and in the provision of key infrastructure to support local development.
Former Occupations Manager, Corporate Development, Shire of Hastings 1993-94; Ministerial Adviser to the Victorian Minister for Natural Resources, the Hon. C.G. Coleman, MLA (Vic) 1994-96; Policy Adviser to the Federal Shadow Minister for the Environment, Senator C.R. Kemp 1995
Who is most qualified to run the small business portfolio of Australia?
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compare Julie Bishop with Bob Carr?
:lol
...forget the occupations one is intelligent and the other a brain-dead bimbo
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:lol
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:lol
:lol
compare Julie Bishop with Bob Carr?
:lol
...forget the occupations one is intelligent and the other a brain-dead bimbo
if your gonna do it do it properly '65. As a qualified teacher I'm sure you know how to use facts to support your claim.
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:lol
:lol
:lol
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compare Julie Bishop with Bob Carr?
:lol
...forget the occupations one is intelligent and the other a brain-dead bimbo
if your gonna do it do it properly '65. As a qualified teacher I'm sure you know how to use facts to support your claim.
Don't need facts in this case, just look in their eyes.
Bob Carr has a spark behind his eyes and Julie is just not there at all.
:bow
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:lol
:lol
:lol
:lol
compare Julie Bishop with Bob Carr?
:lol
...forget the occupations one is intelligent and the other a brain-dead bimbo
if your gonna do it do it properly '65. As a qualified teacher I'm sure you know how to use facts to support your claim.
Don't need facts in this case, just look in their eyes.
Bob Carr has a spark behind his eyes and Julie is just not there at all.
:bow
okay no worries
a spark behind his eyes that's left NSW in tatters.
You really can tell your a greens supporter
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okay no worries
a spark behind his eyes that's left NSW in tatters.
You really can tell your a greens supporter
Funny thing forums...
People think they can rewrite history to support an unsupportable opinion.
:cheers
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okay no worries
a spark behind his eyes that's left NSW in tatters.
You really can tell your a greens supporter
Funny thing forums...
People think they can rewrite history to support an unsupportable opinion.
:cheers
what about people that just make ridiculous statements without facts to support those statements.
Pot calling kettle black '65.
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what about people that just make ridiculous statements without facts to support those statements.
Pot calling kettle black '65.
Which one in particular?
:cheers
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Tigra do a comparison between Gillard, Abbott and Brown
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What did Bob Carr do for NSW?
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What did Bob Carr do for NSW?
Can't have been too bad, the Labor party won the next election (under a different leader) after he retired.
:cheers
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:lol
Hooters is a family restaurant in NSW
Don't credit the voters with too much intelligence
The westies are still waiting on their North-West Rail link that the Carr Government announced in 1998.
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Julia Gillard (ALP) vs Tony Abbott (Libs) vs Bob Brown (Greens)
Julia Gillard (ALP)
Qualifications: BA, LLB (Melb)
Julia Gillard started her Arts and Law degrees at the University of Adelaide. In 1983 she was elected national Education Vice-President of the Australian Union of Students (AUS) and moved to Melbourne to complete her degree at Melbourne University. Later that year, she was elected President of the AUS.
After graduating Ms Gillard began work as a solicitor in Melbourne with the law firm Slater and Gordon and became a Partner in 1990. Ms Gillard's work at the firm focused on employment law where she worked on securing fairer treatment for workers and fought for clothing trades outworkers who had been underpaid.
From 1996 to 1998 Ms Gillard served as Chief-of-Staff to the then Opposition Leader of the State of Victoria, John Brumby.
Julia Gillard first contested the Federal seat of Lalor for the Australian Labor Party in 1998 and was elected that year.
Former Occupations: Solicitor 1987-95; Partner, Slater and Gordon 1990-95. Chief of Staff to the Victorian Opposition Leader, J. Brumby 1995-98.
Tony Abbott (Liberal party)
Qualifications: BEc,LLB(Syd),MA(Oxon)
Tony Abbott graduated with a Bachelor of Economics (BEc) and a Bachelor of Laws (LLB) from the University of Sydney where he resided at St John's College, and was president of the Student Representative Council. He then went on to attend the Queen's College, traveling via India to attend Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar and graduated with a Master of Arts (MA) in Politics and Philosophy. Following his time in Britain, he returned to Australia via Africa and advised his family of intention to join the priesthood and he subsequently entered St. Patrick's Seminary at Manly, in Sydney. Following his departure from the seminary, Abbott married, worked in journalism, ran a concrete plant and began to get involved in national politics.
Throughout his time as a student and seminarian, Abbott was writing articles for newspapers and magazines—first for the Sydney University Newspaper, and later The Catholic Weekly and national publications like The Bulletin. He eventually became a journalist and wrote for The Australian.
Former Occupation: Journalist; Plant Manager, Pioneer Concrete; Press secretary and political adviser to the Leader of the Opposition, Dr J.R. Hewson 1990-93; Executive Director, Australians for Constitutional Monarchy 1993-94.
Publications: Abbott has published three books. In 2009 he launched "Battlelines"; a personal biography, reflections on the Howard Government and discussion of potential policy directions for the Liberal Party of Australia. Previously he had published two books in defence of the existing constitutional monarchy system, "The Minimal Monarchy" (1995) and "How to Win the Constitutional War". (1997)
Bob Brown (greens)
Qualifications: MBBS (Syd)
After graduating, Bob Brown enrolled in medicine at Sydney University where he obtained a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery degree. He practised medicine for a time at the Royal Canberra Hospital. He then worked as a resident at Darwin and Alice Springs hospitals. At the latter post he met John Hawkins, a surgeon who had kayaked rivers in Tasmania. He travelled to London in 1970 and worked at Hounslow Cottage Hospital and St Mary Abbott's Hospital in South Kensington.
Brown moved to Tasmania in 1972 and worked as a medical general practitioner in Launceston. He soon became involved in the state's environmental movement, in particular the campaign to save Lake Pedder. By 1972 he was a member of the newly formed United Tasmania Group, Australia's first "green" party.
He became the Director of the Wilderness Society which organised the blockade of the dam-works on Tasmania’s wild Franklin River in 1982/3. Some 1500 people were arrested and 600 jailed, including Bob Brown who spent 19 days in Risdon Prison. On the day of his release, he was elected as the first Green into Tasmania's Parliament. After federal government intervention, the Franklin River was protected in 1983.
Bob Brown has been a life-long activist. In 1986 he was shot at and assaulted during protests against logging at Tasmania’s Farmhouse Creek. He was arrested and jailed twice in 1995 for demonstrating peacefully to protect Tasmania's Tarkine Wilderness from roading and logging. In 1990 Bob Brown established the Australian Bush Heritage Fund to buy land for conservation. His books include Lake Pedder, Wild Rivers, Tarkine Trails, The Greens, The Valley of the Giants, Tasmania’s Recherche Bay and Memo for a Saner World.
Former Occupations: General practitioner 1968-80; Founding Member, The Wilderness Society 1978; Director of The Wilderness Society 1979-84; Founding President, Australian Bush Heritage Fund 1990; Life Member, Australian Conservation Foundation;
Publications: Brown has published several books including Wild Rivers (1983), Lake Pedder (1986), Tarkine Trails (1994), The Greens (1996) (with Peter Singer), Memo For A Saner World (2004), Valley of the Giants (2004), Tasmania's Recherche Bay (2005), Earth (2009) and In Balfour Street (2010)[32] In 2004 James Norman published the first authorised biography of Brown, entitled Bob Brown: A Gentle Revolutionary.
Awards: The Australian newspaper ‘Australian of the Year’ (1983)
IUCN Packard Award (1984)
UNEP Global 500 Roll of Honour (1987)
Goldman Environmental Prize (1990)
MAPW Distinguished Physician Award (1990)
BBC Wildlife magazine ‘World's Most Inspiring Politician’ (1996)
National Trust Australian National Treasure (1998)
Rainforest Action Network Environmental Hero (2006)
Australian Peace Prize (2009)
Australian Humanist of the Year (2010)
Who do you think should be in charge?
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None of those freaks should be in charge
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Especially Brown FFS >:(
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Julia Gillard (ALP) vs Tony Abbott (Libs) vs Bob Brown (Greens)
Julia Gillard (ALP)
Qualifications: BA, LLB (Melb)
Julia Gillard started her Arts and Law degrees at the University of Adelaide. In 1983 she was elected national Education Vice-President of the Australian Union of Students (AUS) and moved to Melbourne to complete her degree at Melbourne University. Later that year, she was elected President of the AUS.
After graduating Ms Gillard began work as a solicitor in Melbourne with the law firm Slater and Gordon and became a Partner in 1990. Ms Gillard's work at the firm focused on employment law where she worked on securing fairer treatment for workers and fought for clothing trades outworkers who had been underpaid.
From 1996 to 1998 Ms Gillard served as Chief-of-Staff to the then Opposition Leader of the State of Victoria, John Brumby.
Julia Gillard first contested the Federal seat of Lalor for the Australian Labor Party in 1998 and was elected that year.
Former Occupations: Solicitor 1987-95; Partner, Slater and Gordon 1990-95. Chief of Staff to the Victorian Opposition Leader, J. Brumby 1995-98.
Tony Abbott (Liberal party)
Qualifications: BEc,LLB(Syd),MA(Oxon)
Tony Abbott graduated with a Bachelor of Economics (BEc) and a Bachelor of Laws (LLB) from the University of Sydney where he resided at St John's College, and was president of the Student Representative Council. He then went on to attend the Queen's College, traveling via India to attend Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar and graduated with a Master of Arts (MA) in Politics and Philosophy. Following his time in Britain, he returned to Australia via Africa and advised his family of intention to join the priesthood and he subsequently entered St. Patrick's Seminary at Manly, in Sydney. Following his departure from the seminary, Abbott married, worked in journalism, ran a concrete plant and began to get involved in national politics.
Throughout his time as a student and seminarian, Abbott was writing articles for newspapers and magazines—first for the Sydney University Newspaper, and later The Catholic Weekly and national publications like The Bulletin. He eventually became a journalist and wrote for The Australian.
Former Occupation: Journalist; Plant Manager, Pioneer Concrete; Press secretary and political adviser to the Leader of the Opposition, Dr J.R. Hewson 1990-93; Executive Director, Australians for Constitutional Monarchy 1993-94.
Publications: Abbott has published three books. In 2009 he launched "Battlelines"; a personal biography, reflections on the Howard Government and discussion of potential policy directions for the Liberal Party of Australia. Previously he had published two books in defence of the existing constitutional monarchy system, "The Minimal Monarchy" (1995) and "How to Win the Constitutional War". (1997)
Bob Brown (greens)
Qualifications: MBBS (Syd)
After graduating, Bob Brown enrolled in medicine at Sydney University where he obtained a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery degree. He practised medicine for a time at the Royal Canberra Hospital. He then worked as a resident at Darwin and Alice Springs hospitals. At the latter post he met John Hawkins, a surgeon who had kayaked rivers in Tasmania. He travelled to London in 1970 and worked at Hounslow Cottage Hospital and St Mary Abbott's Hospital in South Kensington.
Brown moved to Tasmania in 1972 and worked as a medical general practitioner in Launceston. He soon became involved in the state's environmental movement, in particular the campaign to save Lake Pedder. By 1972 he was a member of the newly formed United Tasmania Group, Australia's first "green" party.
He became the Director of the Wilderness Society which organised the blockade of the dam-works on Tasmania’s wild Franklin River in 1982/3. Some 1500 people were arrested and 600 jailed, including Bob Brown who spent 19 days in Risdon Prison. On the day of his release, he was elected as the first Green into Tasmania's Parliament. After federal government intervention, the Franklin River was protected in 1983.
Bob Brown has been a life-long activist. In 1986 he was shot at and assaulted during protests against logging at Tasmania’s Farmhouse Creek. He was arrested and jailed twice in 1995 for demonstrating peacefully to protect Tasmania's Tarkine Wilderness from roading and logging. In 1990 Bob Brown established the Australian Bush Heritage Fund to buy land for conservation. His books include Lake Pedder, Wild Rivers, Tarkine Trails, The Greens, The Valley of the Giants, Tasmania’s Recherche Bay and Memo for a Saner World.
Former Occupations: General practitioner 1968-80; Founding Member, The Wilderness Society 1978; Director of The Wilderness Society 1979-84; Founding President, Australian Bush Heritage Fund 1990; Life Member, Australian Conservation Foundation;
Publications: Brown has published several books including Wild Rivers (1983), Lake Pedder (1986), Tarkine Trails (1994), The Greens (1996) (with Peter Singer), Memo For A Saner World (2004), Valley of the Giants (2004), Tasmania's Recherche Bay (2005), Earth (2009) and In Balfour Street (2010)[32] In 2004 James Norman published the first authorised biography of Brown, entitled Bob Brown: A Gentle Revolutionary.
Awards: The Australian newspaper ‘Australian of the Year’ (1983)
IUCN Packard Award (1984)
UNEP Global 500 Roll of Honour (1987)
Goldman Environmental Prize (1990)
MAPW Distinguished Physician Award (1990)
BBC Wildlife magazine ‘World's Most Inspiring Politician’ (1996)
National Trust Australian National Treasure (1998)
Rainforest Action Network Environmental Hero (2006)
Australian Peace Prize (2009)
Australian Humanist of the Year (2010)
Who do you think should be in charge?
Wowee...I'd put Juliar ahead of Brown, but how did Abbott do all of that when he's such a dumb rse?
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Mr Tigra,
You need to supply a link showing where you got all that info from for legal reasons
Thanks
WP
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Mr Tigra,
You need to supply a link showing where you got all that info from for legal reasons
Thanks
WP
sorry WP. I will do that asap
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(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2010/09/05/1225914/489455-myrtleford-vic-floods-100905.jpg)
can Tim Flannery seen this?
He said it wouldn't rain anymore.
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Mr Tigra,
You need to supply a link showing where you got all that info from for legal reasons
Thanks
WP
I've tried 10 times to include links but when I post it takes me to a forbidden page.
???? I don't know what I'm doing wrong
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use the key man, use the key......... ;D
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Julia gillard
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gillard (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gillard)
http://www.pm.gov.au/your-pm (http://www.pm.gov.au/your-pm)
http://www.parliament.curriculum.edu.au/parl.php3?srch=parl&list_params=gender%3D%26offices_held%3D%26party%3D%26parliament%3D%26surname%3DGillard%26electorate%3D%26former_occupations%3D&ID=479 (http://www.parliament.curriculum.edu.au/parl.php3?srch=parl&list_params=gender%3D%26offices_held%3D%26party%3D%26parliament%3D%26surname%3DGillard%26electorate%3D%26former_occupations%3D&ID=479)
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See, look at you goooooooooooo ;D
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Tony Abbott
http://www.parliament.curriculum.edu.au/parl.php3?srch=parl&list_params=gender%3D%26offices_held%3D%26party%3D%26parliament%3D%26surname%3DAbbott%26electorate%3D%26former_occupations%3D&ID=85 (http://www.parliament.curriculum.edu.au/parl.php3?srch=parl&list_params=gender%3D%26offices_held%3D%26party%3D%26parliament%3D%26surname%3DAbbott%26electorate%3D%26former_occupations%3D&ID=85)
http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/ (http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott)
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Bob brown
http://greens.org.au/people/bob-brown (http://greens.org.au/people/bob-brown)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brown (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brown)
http://www.parliament.curriculum.edu.au/parl.php3?srch=parl&list_params=gender%3D%26offices_held%3D%26party%3D%26parliament%3D%26surname%3DBrown%26electorate%3D%26former_occupations%3D&ID=156 (http://www.parliament.curriculum.edu.au/parl.php3?srch=parl&list_params=gender%3D%26offices_held%3D%26party%3D%26parliament%3D%26surname%3DBrown%26electorate%3D%26former_occupations%3D&ID=156)
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See, look at you goooooooooooo ;D
it must be the iPhone. I never use a desktop.
I did it :thumbsup
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but can you tell us if King is playing R1?
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Especially Brown FFS >:(
:thumbsup
spot on
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Anyway it's nice to know that we have new foreign affairs minister that ruined the state of NSW as much as the Cain/Kerner government did in Victoria.
During Carr’s 10 years as Premier net debt was reduced from 7.4 percent of gross state product to zero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Carr
Not his fault those after him (post-2005) stuffed things up.
Ps. It's also refreshing to know that another ex union official Brendan O'Connor has been given the small business portfolio. He has never had a real job or NEVER run a business of any sort. :banghead
Thankyou prime minister.
If we are going to criticise pollies about not ever having a "real" job then by your own definition Abbott is right up there having been a uni student rep., monk, journo and long-time politician.
MT, I have always admired you on your thorough & fact filled answers to mostly all of your posts but you failed to mention that Abbott did have a short stint running a concrete Plant at Pioneer concrete which is more I can say for mostly all of the current front bench of the ALP.
Why don't you do what you usually do & provide us with all the facts & inform us all on their respective careers, in business & academic acheivements of our most important pollies.
Gillard Vs Abbott
Swan vs Hockey.
I dare you. ;D
A short stint (less than a year by the sound of it) as an employed manager (not the owner of the business) 25 years ago hardly makes someone qualified as a business expert in the 21st century :nope. In any case if your argument is a pollie needs to be qualified and have worked in an area before been given a specific gig then how the hell did Abbott deserve to be Federal Health minister! ;)
Most modern pollies on both sides come through the typical Arts/Law/Economics uni grad conveyor belt anyway. Gillard was a partner in a law firm, Stephen Smith, Penny Wong, Bill Shorten, Nicola Roxon, Joe Ludwig, Robert McClelland were all professional lawyers before entering politics while on your Libs side Tigra - Julie Bishop (like Gillard was a law firm partner), Joe Hockey, Chris Pyne, George Brandis, Eric Abetz, David Johnston, Kevin Andrews, Greg Hunt and loopy Sophie Mirabella all practised as professional lawyers as well. Turnbull is also a qualified lawyer but he went into investment banking partnering with former NSW Labor premier Neville Wran and Gough's son before going his own way and heading to Goldman Sachs. The only accountant in shadow cabinet is crazy ol' Barnaby Joyce :o. Labor's Bill Shorten has a MBA. The wide diversity of professions that use to exist amongst our pollies (PM Chifley was a train driver and PM Fraser was a farmer) has long gone.
Btw Labor's Craig Emerson ran his own small business [see his website], Tony Burke was a founding director of a company, while Gary Gray worked for Woodside as business negotiator and advisor, director of corporate affairs and member of the company's executive team.
Sources: wikipedia and the pollies' personal websites.
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Worth a watch
The cracks in the Tony (dead man walking) Abbott team are starting to show.
Liberal party unease enters spotlight
Updated March 08, 2012 21:54:00
A paid parental leave scheme is the signature policy of the Federal Opposition but spending promises are sparking questions within the Liberal party.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-08/liberal-party-unease-enters-spotlight/3878224
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You can add Peter Garrett to that list of ex lawyers, MT
Actually, lawyers are proof that you can conceive through anal coitus, which probably explains why there are some many of them amongst the pollies
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You can add Peter Garrett to that list of ex lawyers, MT
I've actually always been of the belief that Peter Garrett should have stuck to law rather inflicting the masses with his .............errrrrrrrrr................ummmmmmmmmm "singing"
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Snip! Back to the topic ppl.
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Atmospheric CO2 levels hit 800,000-year high: CSIRO
By environment reporter Conor Duffy and staff
Updated March 14, 2012 14:17:48
Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are now higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years, while the last decade in Australia was the warmest on record, CSIRO scientists say.
The findings are released in the CSIRO's annual State of the Climate report, which has been released today.
The report says Australia's annual-average daily maximum temperatures have increased by 0.75 degrees Celsius since 1910.
Dr Karl Breganza from the Bureau of Meteorology says that while 2010 and 2011 were slightly cooler due to high rainfall, temperatures are still increasing.
"Australia tends to be cooler during periods where you have intense rainfall. But despite that, the last decade was still the warmest decade that we've recorded in Australia," he said.
"We've actually started to see an increase in the amount of stations, weather stations that are recording their monthly maximum temperatures.
"So the highest temperatures on record are occurring with greater frequency and over greater areas of Australia."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-14/temperatures-may-rise-5-degrees-by-2070/3887672
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FYI
:cheers
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/2788516/data/emissions-grapha-image-data.png)
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You still peddling this crap 65. Geez you socialists dont let up. Its all bulldust 65 its about time you realised that.
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You still peddling this crap 65. Geez you socialists dont let up. Its all bulldust 65 its about time you realised that.
have you got any kids Ramps ?
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Tony Abbott has abolutely no class.
The man is a pig.
Abbott accused of scoring cheap points in his tribute
Damien Murphy
March 19, 2012
THE death of Margaret Whitlam caused such an outpouring of saddened fondness that comments by the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, linking her passing with the sins of the Whitlam government appear to have struck an extremely wrong note.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-accused-of-scoring-cheap-points-in-his-tribute-20120318-1vdou.html#ixzz1pVffjBSk
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Good to see this get through. :thumbsup
Mining tax laws pass Senate
Updated March 20, 2012 01:00:58
The Federal Government's mining tax legislation has passed the Senate and will soon become law.
The tax gives the Federal Government an estimated $10 billion war chest to win over small and medium-sized businesses before the next election.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-19/mining-tax-passes-senate/3899952
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Palmer is a nutcase and the Liberal Party's bisggest doner.
You have to wonder what sort of influence this idiot fat cat has with Tony Rabbitt?
Brown attacks Palmer's conspiracy theory
Updated March 21, 2012 09:20:22
Greens leader Bob Brown has challenged the Queensland Liberal National Party to distance itself from remark Clive Palmer's claims that the CIA is funding critics of the Australian coal industry.
Mr Palmer is angry at Greenpeace's plan to use lawyers to thwart future coal mining projects and claims funding is coming from US environmental charity the Rockefeller Foundation.
He alleges it is funded by the CIA and says it is trying to harm Australia's industry and help American interests.
Mr Palmer also targeted veteran Greens campaigner Drew Hutton and his party, claiming they are "tools" of the US government and Rockefeller.
"I think the Greens in this coming state election, all their candidates should resign if they are being funded by an offshore political power," Mr Palmer said.
"It is tantamount to treason. Something needs to be done about it."
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The Libs are scoring cheap political points over the death of a young man.
Opposition seizes on Carr's Taser blunder
Updated March 22, 2012 08:06:45
The Federal Opposition has seized on a gaffe made by Foreign Minister Bob Carr about the Taser death of a young man in Sydney last weekend.
Opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman Julie Bishop says the comments are insensitive and ill-informed because the man's parents recently died.
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Well stuff me. :o
GE chairman praises 'gutsy' carbon tax
Updated March 25, 2012 12:57:08
A top executive at one of the world's largest companies has praised the Australian Government for introducing a carbon tax.
GE's vice-chairman John Rice says there needs to be a cost associated with producing carbon, whether it is through a tax or a type of trading mechanism.
GE makes a range of products, including wind turbines.
He has told ABC TV's Inside Business it is not easy for governments to introduce such measures.
But he says it takes "gutsy politicians" to take the lead on introducing such costs.
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And pollies wonder why they are unpopular and we think they are idiots when they want to waste taxpayers money paying for people's nannies. I think I've heard it all now. You can't even call it middle class welfare as most families couldn't even contemplate having a nanny.
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Today I think I would prefer to talk about Taxes and Politics.
:lol
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And people wonder why we have a mining tax.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-23/gina-rinerhart-worlds-richest-woman/4028686
Gina Rinehart named world's richest woman
Updated May 24, 2012 05:12:46
The latest BRW magazine's rich list says Ms Rinehart's $29 billion mining fortune is $3 billion greater than Christy Walton's, the widow whose inherited wealth springs from US retail giant Wal-Mart.
Ms Rinehart has ridden Australia's resources boom like no-one else; her wealth ballooning by an unparalleled $18.87 billion in the past year.
That equates to $1,077,054 every 30 minutes of every day.
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3883060-3x2-940x627.jpg)
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Interesting footage of the leader of the opposition. (circa 2000)
I wonder how many more people have to die before our MPs start to act a little like civilised people.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-25/tony-abbott-speaks-in-greg-wilton-condolence-debate/4032376
Tony Abbott speaks in Greg Wilton condolence debate Posted May 25, 2012 07:12:34
Watch Tony Abbott speaking in the condolence debate for Labor MP Greg Wilton in 2000.
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1965 you would be thrilled with ALP's new agreement with Gina to allow her to bring in foreign workers.
Or are you confused as Howes as to who's side your meant to support.
"And Chris Bowen is announcing that Gina Rinehart gets an early Christmas present.
"I thought we were actually attacking these guys at the moment. Whose side are we on?"
Mr Howes said it was a big win for Ms Rinehart, and the benefits would also be enjoyed by her fellow mining billionaires Clive Palmer and Andrew Forrest.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/ginas-army-overseas-workers-take-mining-jobs/story-e6frfm1i-1226367122453#ixzz1vrTeb5aE
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1965 you would be thrilled with ALP's new agreement with Gina to allow her to bring in foreign workers.
Or are you confused as Howes as to who's side your meant to support.
Sigh
Nothing wrong with the mining boom.
Nothing wrong with bringing in skill workers to fill jobs that we can't fill ourselves.
What is obscene is that fat cats like Gina and Clive make so much bloody money out of it.
Happy for them to be fillthy rich not just obscenely rich.
Just want to share the wealth around a little.
How difficult a concept can that be to grasp.
Take off your Abbott coloured glasses for a minute.
:thumbsup
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1965 you would be thrilled with ALP's new agreement with Gina to allow her to bring in foreign workers.
Or are you confused as Howes as to who's side your meant to support.
Sigh
Nothing wrong with the mining boom.
Nothing wrong with bringing in skill workers to fill jobs that we can't fill ourselves.
What is obscene is that fat cats like Gina and Clive make so much bloody money out of it.
Happy for them to be fillthy rich not just obscenely rich.
Just want to share the wealth around a little.
How difficult a concept can that be to grasp.
Take off your Abbott coloured glasses for a minute.
:thumbsup
Minerals are owned by the states and are state taxed. Sadly your so ALP blind that you forget this fact. Swan is effectively trying to over ride this to get his number fiddling surplus. All I can say is sucked in to the man for having to rebate companies there state based royalties.
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By the way 1965 I hope you know how foolish and dumb your making yourself look by posting nearly daily bias articles on how great this govt is. With each passing day they look more and more likely to go down in history as the worst govt this country has ever had with their with on-going scandals and record debt which they have nothing to show for it.
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Minerals are owned by the states and are state taxed.
Technically the Crown (in right of the state) owns the minerals. I would love this to be tested in the High Court as there's no mention of who owns the minerals in the Australian Constitution.
record debt which they have nothing to show for it.
In terms of GDP the debt is nowhere near a record. During the Great Depression and WWII Australian government gross debt was over 120% of GDP. The current debt is still relatively low historically. Compared to other major economies right now it's very low.
(http://www.budget.gov.au/2010-11/content/myefo/image/01_part_1-6.gif)
Chart 1.4: Government net debt positions for selected countries, 2010-15
As for nothing to show for it? Most of the debt was accrued with the stimulus packages building a buffer to counter the mass deflationary effects of the GFC (eg: large write-downs in government revenues). If keeping Australia out of recession is nothing then people have short memories of what recessions let alone deep long-running ones do. 5% unemployment during the worst global downturn since the Great Depression is a figure most nations around the world would kill for right now.
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Hahaha 65 and his beloved ALP and Greeny mates are doing a great job helping rinehart get rich by dumping Australians in favour of foreign workers
Honestly 65 how can you keep a straight face and say you support this joke of a party
Just counting down the days like most Australians where the Libs start to clean up the mess that the ALP have delivered
The worst government in history, only those in denial can't see it
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The worst government in history, only those in denial can't see it
Amen, hope the Libs repeal every stupid thing the labour party has done when they get in
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Word is they are about to tap Julia on the shoulder and put Rudd back in.
Rudd will dump Slipper and Thomson and call an early election.
Rudd provides an immediate boost in the polls and catches Abbott with no policies.
Rudd won't win but will minimise the damage and this puts the senate out of whack.
A half senate election late 2013 gives Abbott lots of time to stuff things up.
:thumbsup
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And so it begins...
Gillard facing fresh threat
Misha Schubert
May 27, 2012
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JULIA Gillard's prime ministership is again under threat, with Labor sources saying government whip Joel Fitzgibbon is now actively canvassing for votes to return Kevin Rudd to the leadership.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-facing-fresh-threat-20120526-1zc2r.html#ixzz1w16l2klo
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what a complete rabble of a political party.
Like all other ALP voters your clutching at straws.
Rudd, Gillard, Rudd, Beazley, Latham, Gillard, Rudd. You blokes have fair dinkum lost the plot
Counting down the days till order is restored in this country and the ALP will disappear and be buried for a very long time
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Once again I am not a labor voter.
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Once again I am not a labor voter.
Labour Greens same same
both parties are completely clueless and have no idea how to run a solid country without wasting tax payers money
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Once again I am not a labor voter.
Labour Greens same same
both parties are completely clueless and have no idea how to run a solid country without wasting tax payers money
And you trust abbott and hockey to do a better job.
We are the envy of the world, low inflation, low unemployment and low debt.
Don't believe the crap from the Libs.
The big bad evil toxic carbon tax starts on July 1 and guess what...
The sky will not fall in. The punters will start to realise that they will be better off given the compensation they are getting.
The change in the tax free threshold alone will make a big diffence to millions of australians.
Abbott has been desperately trying to force an election because he knows this to be a fact as well
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
:thumbsup
MT feel free to back me up with some stats. :)
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Once again I am not a labor voter.
Labour Greens same same
both parties are completely clueless and have no idea how to run a solid country without wasting tax payers money
And you trust abbott and hockey to do a better job.
We are the envy of the world, low inflation, low unemployment and low debt.
Don't believe the crap from the Libs.
The big bad evil toxic carbon tax starts on July 1 and guess what...
The sky will not fall in. The punters will start to realise that they will be better off given the compensation they are getting.
The change in the tax free threshold alone will make a big diffence to millions of australians.
Abbott has been desperately trying to force an election because he knows this to be a fact as well
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
:thumbsup
MT feel free to back me up with some stats. :)
I too was naive like yourself and too young to know the difference but i woke up to reality as you will also.
The ALP have done nothing good but spend spend and when you think they have nearly finished spending, guess what they spend again. Scheme after scheme after scheme has been wasted and we are the fools who have to pay for it.
The only positive thing i agreed with was the $900 stimulus to boost our ecomony. Outside of that we are the fools who will now have to pay for their mistakes through a carbon tax.
How does it feel supporting a party who have to buy their votes. A party who has a bloke who "ALLLEGEDLY" wasted our money to get his dick wet, yet still hasn't been booted out. You support this rubbish?
The list goes on. You along with many others are in denial. Gillard is the worst PM, to ever lead this country.
Low inflation, Low unemployment, mining boom yada yada yada. Last time i checked we were also in this position in 2007 when Howard left his post, so that old chestnut doesn't wash with me.
The ALP have just continued the ride that the Libs started
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Daniel
The only advantage in Abbott gaining power is that people like you will see him for what he really is.
cheers
'65
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Daniel, unless you are a member of the Health Services Union, Thomson did not spend any of your money getting his dick wet, alleged or otherwise.
Has the treasurer in waiting found the missing 60 million to fund their policies of not spending any money?
Has he learned the difference between an accounting firm actually auditing their costings and making an immoral agreement with the accounting firm that gives an impression one has been done, when it hasn't?
At the next election we will be out of the frying pan and into the fire.. I can see the country sinking back into the mire of the fraser government, which was worse than this current one by a long way.
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Daniel
The only advantage in Abbott gaining power is that people like you will see him for what he really is.
cheers
'65
No 65 i dont believe Abbott will be a better leader. Im no expert but he doesnt strike me as having leadership qualities but next to Gillard, geez id take just about anyone.
I, like many have had a gutful of the failed scheme after scheme. The end is near for the ALP.
As for Craig Thompson Al, your probably right but who employed him and what was his job while he was allegedly sleeping with hooker after hooker. Who is paying for this investigation of this tosser. Ooh thats right we are.
The guy is garbage and should be treated like that.
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No 65 i dont believe Abbott will be a better leader. Im no expert but he doesnt strike me as having leadership qualities but next to Gillard, geez id take just about anyone.
I, like many have had a gutful of the failed scheme after scheme. The end is near for the ALP.
We have an economy that is the envy of the world.
Interest rates, unemployment and debt at record lows.
Don't fall for the Abbott rubbish.
You are too clever for that.
:thumbsup
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And just on this debt nonsense the libs rabbott on about...
Lots of accounting stuff in the article which I'll leave that to the experts to decipher ( Hi MT :bow )
But this little snippet stood out for me.
Coalition needs to yield on its broken-record debt warnings
TIM COLEBATCH
May 29, 2012.
The Coalition and its allies are like a broken record warning that Australia is swimming in debt and putting itself in danger. That is simply untrue. Ask yourself: if Labor's borrowing has put us in danger, why is Australia one of only eight countries rated AAA by all three global ratings agencies? Sure, ratings agencies make mistakes, as we all do, but are they that incompetent?
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/coalition-needs-to-yield-on-its-brokenrecord-debt-warnings-20120528-1zf70.html#ixzz1wC9D8J9D
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Another post. :sleep
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What a pack of wankers are this liberal mob
Abbott flees as Thomson votes with Coalition Phillip Coorey
May 30, 2012 - 10:09AM
Independent MP Craig Thomson votes with the Opposition during a division in the House of Representatives at Parliament House in Canberra
The exiled Labor MP Craig Thomson sent Coalition MPs running for the doors this morning as they sought to negate his support when he voted with the opposition.
In extraordinary scenes just after 9am, the opposition tried to suspend standing orders to debate the issue of debt.
The government moved to gag the debate and Mr Thomson, who has always voted with Labor since being exiled a month ago, instead joined the other crossbenchers who, on principle, never support a gag motion.
The Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott, and the manager of opposition business, Christopher Pyne, made for the doors but Mr Abbott was ordered back by the Speaker, Anna Burke, because it was too late to leave.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-flees-as-thomson-votes-with-coalition-20120530-1zi79.html#ixzz1wJ8z9Yix
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I'd run from Thompson just to avoid getting cooties.
Here's Thompson as a child
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ntitte.jpg)
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Have to say it certainly looked funny seeing Pyne and tony bolting to the door
Disappointing that Tony lied though. He told the media his vote didn't count but "hansard" has it recorded that Mr Abbott did indeed vote and his vote was counted
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We are set for a hilarious ride when Tony becomes PM.
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Heaven Help us!
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(http://i.imgur.com/ib8zE.gif)
All you need is yakaty sax from the Benny Hill show playing. We've got Europe in an economic crisis and we've got this kindergarten crap going on with Abbott doing his best Seinfeld impersonation of George Contanza pushing others out the way trying to get out of the apartment on fire :wallywink.
There's also this version doing the email rounds :lol
(http://i.imgur.com/OL1Vx.gif)
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(http://i.imgur.com/ib8zE.gif)
All you need is yakaty sax from the Benny Hill show playing. We've got Europe in an economic crisis and we've got this kindergarten crap going on with Abbott doing his best Seinfeld impersonation of George Contanza pushing others out the way trying to get out of the apartment on fire :wallywink.
There's also this version doing the email rounds :lol
(http://i.imgur.com/OL1Vx.gif)
:clapping gold
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The most hilarious thing is all the Liberal backbenchers right near the door didn't move :wallywink
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The most hilarious thing is all the Liberal backbenchers right near the door didn't move :wallywink
Group case of Moron brain
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Now even Malcom Fraser thinks Tony is evil.
Abbott's evil policy work
Malcolm Fraser
June 18, 2012.
TONY Abbott and Scott Morrison recently stood in front of Australia and proudly presented the Coalition's plan to ''ensure integrity and restore confidence in refugee assessment''. There is not much to be proud about in this policy. The announcement was based on misinformed and misleading information that plays straight into the unfounded public fear of asylum seekers.
How can you ''restore integrity'' to the policy affecting asylum seekers when the proposals embraced are based on falsehoods, misinformation and a blatant playing of politics with the lives of vulnerable people? This is the opposite of integrity. It is inhumane and demeans Australia. Is this the basis on which Abbott will operate if he, as he believes he will, becomes prime minister?
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/abbotts-evil-policy-work-20120617-20hzs.html#ixzz1y6FSe1Cg
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Tony has just come out and blamed the earthquake on the carbon tax
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Didn't Tony say this was an industry that the Carbon tax would kill off?
Rio Tinto unveils $4b expansion plans
Updated June 21, 2012 07:54:15
Rio Tinto has committed more than $4 billion to boost its iron ore output in Australia.
In a show of confidence in its long-term outlook for iron ore, Rio Tinto will spend more than $3.6 billion over the next four years to take its Pilbara production capacity to 353 million tonnes a year by 2015.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-21/rio-tinto-unveils-huge-expansion-plans/4083060
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Okay 1965 we get the point that you believe this carbon tax is the greatest invention since sliced bread.
You have to agree that your a one-eyed greenie(labor). Because no matter how much pain this tax causes on middle-class Australian you will never see their side of the argument.
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Just Anti Abbott and the lies he told.
Still can't believe that intelligent people believed and still believe the crap that comes out of the Libs.
:cheers
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Just Anti Abbott and the lies he told.
Still can't believe that intelligent people believed and still believe the crap that comes out of the Libs.
:cheers
I not going to argue with you about what Intelligent people believe but what most people understand is that we now live in a global economy and as such big business now have the option to move jobs over-seas if it can improve margin lines. So burdening businesses here(Australia) with such taxes like the carbon tax will only increase big businesses moving offshore which has ramifications effects that hurt small businesses. As for the mineral sector that will boom as long as there is demand from countries such as China for them. I would advise you take some time and look out-side of the mineral sector to see how the underlining economy is struggling and how people are feeling the pinch from rises in cost of living.
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no different to end of the world crap that sprouted when the GST was brought in
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Now Keating is having a go at Tony (and others) :lol
Keating calls it as he sees it Scott Ellis and Sacha Molitorisz
June 22, 2012.
And Abbott? He was ''dumb'', an ''obstructionist capuchin'' (that's a small monkey) and ''If the public takes him they will get a large kick in the bum and they will deserve it.''
read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/the-diary/keating-calls-it-as-he-sees-it-20120621-20r2s.html#ixzz1yTSwxjg8
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I hate this bastard.
:banghead
(just in case anybody didn't already know this)
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I hate this bastard.
:banghead
(just in case anybody didn't already know this)
I had it worked out myself ;D
Seriously though I really hope people now see this pinhead for what he is and stands for and that's about getting to be Prime Minsiter at any cost.
Would think he has lost a lot of supporters in the last few days
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I don't have high hopes of Tony being a great prime minister but I'm willing to give him a chance because Gillard is just that bad.
I know you disagree 1965(because you think shes one of the best PM's in history with her carbon tax) but ALP need to change her ASAP.
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I don't have high hopes of Tony being a great prime minister but I'm willing to give him a chance because Gillard is just that bad.
I know you disagree 1965(because you think shes one of the best PM's in history with her carbon tax) but ALP need to change her ASAP.
:sleep
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I don't have high hopes of Tony being a great prime minister but I'm willing to give him a chance because Gillard is just that bad.
I know you disagree 1965(because you think shes one of the best PM's in history with her carbon tax) but ALP need to change her ASAP.
:sleep
1965 in your honest opinion do you believe that if Gillard keeps tracking along as she is doing that she will win the next election?
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I don't have high hopes of Tony being a great prime minister but I'm willing to give him a chance because Gillard is just that bad.
I know you disagree 1965(because you think shes one of the best PM's in history with her carbon tax) but ALP need to change her ASAP.
:sleep
1965 in your honest opinion do you believe that if Gillard keeps tracking along as she is doing that she will win the next election?
I would like to think that people will see through Abbott and his lies
:cheers
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Libs will ditch Tony
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Gillard is the worst political leader Ive ever seen. Just a shocking indictment on Federal Labor and an indictment on our country. Her leadership is a comedy sketch and nothing else. Just a joke and sadly its on all the Australian population - GET HER OUT!
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Libs will ditch Tony
Joe Hockey will be the Libs ticket.
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Not sure thats a great move but I guess he could eat all the carbon so we didn't need a tax.
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I don't have high hopes of Tony being a great prime minister but I'm willing to give him a chance because Gillard is just that bad.
Gillard maybe "just that bad" but I'll take her any day over Tony Abbott - because he is worse. Such is my disdain for the bloke a hypocrite of the highest order
Gillard is the worst political leader Ive ever seen. Just a shocking indictment on Federal Labor and an indictment on our country. Her leadership is a comedy sketch and nothing else. Just a joke and sadly its on all the Australian population - GET HER OUT!
Julia maybe the wrost political leader you've ever seen Flagman but not for me I give that title to the current leader of the opposition - Tony Abbott, he is a wrecking ball, hypocrite who will do untold damage to this country if he ever becomes Prime Minister
Bring back Turnball I say at least he stood for something other than his ego ;D
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Turnballs environmentalist views are a concern. He shouldnt become leader.
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I hate this bastard.
:banghead
(just in case anybody didn't already know this)
Hate is a strong word but I understand the sentiment.
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im sure ive seen this bloke
in old John Wayne movies.
throw in Barnaby Joyce (Barnaby what a name)
and maverick Bob (mad as a cut snake) Katter
oh not forgetting the mincing poodle.
this mob will try anything to get back into
power remember the "Godwin Grech" setup.
fairdinkum our nation is run by cheats and crooks
on both sides...
we are the dumb bunnies that put up with it...
bring on anarchy now.
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im sure ive seen this bloke
in old John Wayne movies.
throw in Barnaby Joyce (Barnaby what a name)
and maverick Bob (mad as a cut snake) Katter
oh not forgetting the mincing poodle.
this mob will try anything to get back into
power remember the "Godwin Grech" setup.
fairdinkum our nation is run by cheats and crooks
on both sides...
we are the dumb bunnies that put up with it...
bring on anarchy now.
And the "third"party is a waste of space. (The Greens put principles before saving lives.)
They will never ever get my vote again.
I can't vote for Tony as he will do anything for power. (He put trying to force an election before saving lives)
And as for Julia...
Bring on anarchy.
:cheers
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:lol
RIP the Demos
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Gillard maybe "just that bad" but I'll take her any day over Tony Abbott - because he is worse. Such is my disdain for the bloke a hypocrite of the highest order
These are exactly my thoughts too. Also, Abbott is far too evangelical for me. People are entitled to their faiths and beliefs, but government should remain secular to ensure a basic, unbiased fairness to everyone.
This current government and the alternative are rots. I'll side with the anarchy option, and first action is to bring down the reserve bank. Bunch of crooks and slave traders.
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first action is to bring down the reserve bank. Bunch of crooks and slave traders.
What and who would you replace it with?
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dodgy brothers used car sales
at least you know what you will get.
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first action is to bring down the reserve bank. Bunch of crooks and slave traders.
What and who would you replace it with?
Not needed in anarchy :wallywink
The USA coped just fine without it.... until some bankers got behind Woodrow Wilson... and he took them to WW1... and they've been rolling in power and laughing at us peons, enslaved by credit that can in no way ever be fully repaid, ever since.
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our reserve bank isnt privately owned like the us central bank, though dwaino.
it is an statutory authority with certain obligations enshrined by law.
not perfect, but much better than the corrupt US system
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Our central bank only changed hands from Commonwealth to RBA. Doesn't matter the name or the 'laws,' at the end of the day all they do is enslave countries and populations. It is well engrained into our society and right now would do more harm than good to overthrow them. Central banking is one of my pet peeves. But I'll keep this about Abbott lol *grumble grumble*
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Our central bank only changed hands from Commonwealth to RBA. Doesn't matter the name or the 'laws,' at the end of the day all they do is enslave countries and populations. It is well engrained into our society and right now would do more harm than good to overthrow them. Central banking is one of my pet peeves. But I'll keep this about Abbott lol *grumble grumble*
Yes I know we are getting way off topic but please explain how our RBA is keeping us all enslaved.
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In a market-based financial system where virtually everything is traded daily, the Reserve Bank is an odd beast given interest rates are 'arbitarily' set once per month.
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Gillard maybe "just that bad" but I'll take her any day over Tony Abbott - because he is worse. Such is my disdain for the bloke a hypocrite of the highest order
:yep
This is the same guy who dished it to a dying asbestos victim. Anything is fair game for Abbott :chuck.
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where did dwaino's post that summed up the capitalist system go?
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I hate this bastard.
:banghead
(just in case anybody didn't already know this)
I had it worked out myself ;D
Seriously though I really hope people now see this pinhead for what he is and stands for and that's about getting to be Prime Minsiter at any cost.
Would think he has lost a lot of supporters in the last few days
.... And Julia didn't already do this.... Twice???
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I don't have high hopes of Tony being a great prime minister but I'm willing to give him a chance because Gillard is just that bad.
I know you disagree 1965(because you think shes one of the best PM's in history with her carbon tax) but ALP need to change her ASAP.
:sleep
1965 in your honest opinion do you believe that if Gillard keeps tracking along as she is doing that she will win the next election?
I would like to think that people will see through Abbott and his lies
:cheers
and Julia hasn't already lied?........ Many many many times?
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Just Anti Abbott and the lies he told.
Still can't believe that intelligent people believed and still believe the crap that comes out of the Libs.
:cheers
can't beleive that so many people voted for Gillard after she lied to us over and over and over again.
Don't think she's capable of telling the truth.
But I guess many like yourself will forget all her lies to the "Australian people" and vote for her again.
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Just Anti Abbott and the lies he told.
Still can't believe that intelligent people believed and still believe the crap that comes out of the Libs.
:cheers
can't beleive that so many people voted for Gillard after she lied to us over and over and over again.
Don't think she's capable of telling the truth.
But I guess many like yourself will forget all her lies to the "Australian people" and vote for her again.
If they kicked all the liars out of Parliament they'd be no one left :yep.
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where did dwaino's post that summed up the capitalist system go?
No idea :huh. The mods didn't delete anything.
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Lol about worrying about new tax.
The entire captalist comsumer paradium (sp drink) is flawed.
Its was written by a bloke pre industrial revolution, before humanity could understand there is only.so much of x resources on earth
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More trouble in paradise for Tony A.
Palmer blasts Liberals after anti-lobbyist motion fails
Mining magnate Clive Palmer's public feud with senior Liberal figures over the issue of lobbyists has taken centre stage at the party's national conference in Melbourne.
Mr Palmer has condemned the Liberal Party for failing to support a motion put forward by Mr Palmer's Queensland Branch to ban paid lobbyists from being members of the party's executive.
Mr Palmer has been involved in a spat with Federal Liberal Leader Tony Abbott over the role lobbyists play within the party.
But he did not speak on the motion at the Liberal Federal Council meeting because he did not think it was being debated until today.
Outside the conference, Mr Palmer told journalists he is disappointed with how the meeting is going.
"The resolutions look more like motherhoods: 'Here tick this box and everything will be fine'," he said.
"And hallelujah this looks like a Stalinist operation really where everyone gets up and hails the party leader and, you know, when I was at school in grades two and three I wasn't very good at following the leader."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-29/palmer-blasts-liberal-meeting-over-lobbyists/4101790
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Just Anti Abbott and the lies he told.
Still can't believe that intelligent people believed and still believe the crap that comes out of the Libs.
:cheers
can't beleive that so many people voted for Gillard after she lied to us over and over and over again.
Don't think she's capable of telling the truth.
But I guess many like yourself will forget all her lies to the "Australian people" and vote for her again.
If they kicked all the liars out of Parliament they'd be no one left :yep.
:clapping
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where did dwaino's post that summed up the capitalist system go?
Thought I yoinked it before anyone saw anything lol. And it's a different can of worms to this thread. I come here to chew fat and talk footy, so I decided I didn't want to get involved :thumbsup
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I don't have high hopes of Tony being a great prime minister but I'm willing to give him a chance because Gillard is just that bad.
I know you disagree 1965(because you think shes one of the best PM's in history with her carbon tax) but ALP need to change her ASAP.
:sleep
1965 in your honest opinion do you believe that if Gillard keeps tracking along as she is doing that she will win the next election?
I would like to think that people will see through Abbott and his lies
:cheers
and Julia hasn't already lied?........ Many many many times?
Some good work from you in here, Tigra. 65' ignores it of course. Abbott is our next leader and thank Geez that filthy Gillard will be gone. :clapping I'm no fan of Abbott but Gillard :chuck
:cheers
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Some of his daughters are hot
Been a while since our PM had that.
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Some of his daughters are hot
Been a while since our PM had that.
Yep.
:cheers
Edit: edited quote
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Good family man is Abbott. One thing he's got over Juliar and whoever is leading the greens this week.
Passed on some good genes too.
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Trust you to check out his jeans.
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I just wonder how long the Libs can keep up this toxic tax talk.
There is another 12 months to the next election.
This will be the biggest non-event since the GST.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
:cheers
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I'd like to wake up and smell Tony's daughters in The Lodge
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I'd like to wake up and smell Tony's daughters in The Lodge
:cheers
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I'd like to wake up and smell Tony's daughters in The Lodge
Pics or it didn't happen (twice)
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Word is that Mal Brough will take a few down with him if he doesn't get pre-selection.
LNP star James McGrath cruels Mal Brough's return
MAL Brough's political comeback has been ambushed by the architect of the Liberal National Party's state election victory in Queensland.
James McGrath has won powerful backing to challenge the former Howard government minister in a preselection battle for the federal seat of Fisher, held by stood-aside Speaker Peter Slipper. Mr McGrath, who previously signalled he would run in the neighbouring Sunshine Coast seat of Fairfax, yesterday stunningly switched electorates with the support of LNP powerbrokers, increasingly concerned about Mr Brough's involvement in an anti-corruption probe and role in the sexual harassment case against Mr Slipper.
The move by Mr McGrath paves the way for Clive Palmer to run for preselection in Fairfax, after the mining billionaire dropped plans to contest Wayne Swan's Brisbane seat of Lilley.
Instead, Mr Palmer announced he was now seeking to be an LNP candidate in a different Queensland electorate, which he will name later this week.
Tony Abbott will be deeply dismayed by the developments after he publicly backed Mr Brough to be endorsed in Fisher, and also expressed reservations with the flamboyant but divisive Mr Palmer joining his team.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/lnp-star-james-mcgrath-cruels-mal-broughs-return/story-e6frgczx-1226416220647
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You know what they say
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:cheers
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Word is that Mal Brough will take a few down with him if he doesn't get pre-selection.
Never said that in the abc article you posted. Whos word told you that?
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Chutney told me
:shh
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You know what they say
Mmmmmmmmmmmm
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Chutney told me
:shh
Leave Chutney out of this >:( >:(
Chutney doesn't talk politics to anyone
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Chutney told me
:shh
Leave Chutney out of this >:( >:(
Chutney doesn't talk politics to anyone
Different Chutney.
My sauce is Mango Chutney.
And a very good sauce he is to.
:shh
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Chutney told me
:shh
Leave Chutney out of this >:( >:(
Chutney doesn't talk politics to anyone
Different Chutney.
My sauce is Mango Chutney.
And a very good sauce he is to.
:shh
Fair enough
the Chutney I know was not happy ;D
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FFS get on topic :banghead
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Tony is well aware of what might happen if Mal Brough is not given pre-selection.
Stay tuned.
Abbott backs Brough selection bid
Michelle Grattan
July 5, 2012
TONY Abbott has given a boost to former minister Mal Brough's campaign for Liberal National Party preselection in Fisher by declaring ''he would be a very welcome addition to our team''.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-backs-brough-selection-bid-20120704-21hkk.html#ixzz1zgoHiKGD
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Interesting to see Tony A and the Libs have changed track on the big bad toxic tax that will wreck everything.
They are now back on the Julia lied to us track.
Expect Tony to be challenged before the next election especially if Mal Brough doesn't get pre-selection.
:cheers
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Even the big carbon emmitters believe the tax is here to stay and have already started to make changes.
ie the tax is already starting to work.
Carbon pricing here for long term, say emitters
Adam Morton
July 5, 2012.
''An overwhelming majority think there will be a carbon price in the medium-to-long term, but more than half the experts from liable entities think the legislation will be repealed along the way,'' said economist Frank Jotzo, the author of a report on the survey. ''It really puts the spotlight back on to the uncertainty that is dominating the area.''
Seven out of 10 representatives from big emitters said their companies had already cut pollution in anticipation of the carbon price, and 84 per cent said they expected to make cuts over the next three years.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/carbon-pricing-here-for-long-term-say-emitters-20120704-21hm2.html#ixzz1zgthBR1k
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(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2010/01/25/1225823/428427-tony-abbott-and-daughters.jpg)
You know what they say
One the middle......awww geeee
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Got to love how newspaper sub-editors can come up with two contradictory headlines :wallywink
(https://p.twimg.com/AxGnZ3rCAAAXeIY.png:large)
https://twitter.com/SebHenbest/status/221141919596675073/photo/1/large
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Well well the great unwashed are starting to wake to Tony's lies
Poll shows carbon tax fear easing
Updated July 30, 2012 08:43:33
The latest Nielsen poll has found that the number of people dissatisfied with the carbon tax has fallen significantly since the legislation was introduced on July 1.
The Government has been working to sell the tax to voters while the Opposition has continued its claims the policy will increase cost of living pressures.
The latest Nielsen survey of 1,400 people is the first to be taken since the introduction of the tax.
It found 38 per cent of voters felt they were worse off under the tax, a drop of 13 points since the last poll was taken a month ago.
Fifty-two per cent said it had made no difference - an increase of 15 points.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-30/nielsen-poll-on-carbon-tax/4162894
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Well stuff me, it turns out climate change is real.
Who would have thought?
Climate results convert sceptic: 'let the evidence change our minds'
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-results-convert-sceptic-let-the-evidence-change-our-minds-20120730-23769.html#ixzz224B7mFNJ
THE Earth's land has warmed by 1.5 degrees Celsius in the past 250 years and ''humans are almost entirely the cause'', according to a scientific study set up to address climate sceptic concerns about whether human-induced global warming is occurring.
Richard Muller, a climate sceptic physicist who founded the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project, said he was ''surprised'' by the findings. ''We were not expecting this, but as scientists, it is our duty to let the evidence change our minds.''
He said he considered himself a ''converted sceptic'' and his views had received a ''total turnaround'' in a short space of time.
''Our results show that the average temperature of the Earth's land has risen by 2½ degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of 1½ degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases,'' Professor Muller wrote in an opinion piece for The New York Times.
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The dinosaurs caused a warmer Earth durin their time because they had poor diets and farted too much. One day, the biggest and baddest T-Rex taxed them all and the herbivores could no longer afford cosmetic surgery to extend their necks to reach the leaves on the taller trees and the food chain fell apart. :-[ But some wily plesiosaurs blamed this and the KT boundary asteroid on the bad T-Rexs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Not your best effort.
Lift your game youngster.
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Who is this?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Carlin :cheers
http://youtu.be/ywewO3H08FQ Hicks :cheers
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Australian workers getting the arse all over the place because of Labors pro tax policies. Its an absolute disgrace.
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Australian workers getting the behind all over the place because of Labors pro tax policies. Its an absolute disgrace.
The high Aus dollar is killing our manufacturing industry not any tax that the govt has introduced.
I am starting to think that some people deserve a dose of Abbott to bring them back to their senses.
By almost every measure the Aust economy is out performing the rest of the world.
But people still get sucked in by the crap that comes out of Abbott and his cronies.
:banghead
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A report on the effects of the Carbon Tax after its first month. The sky hasn't fallen in.
Carbon tax price rises limited to utilities: index
By finance reporter Elysse Morgan
ABC
August 06, 2012
A private index shows the carbon tax had little effect on inflation in its first month of operation, despite pushing up energy costs.
The monthly inflation gauge by TD Securities and the Melbourne Institute shows consumer prices rose by only 0.2 per cent in July, with the annual rate hitting a three-year low of 1.5 per cent.
The carbon tax, combined with regular new financial year price hikes, led to a significant jump in utility prices - electricity costs rose almost 15 per cent, gas and other household fuel prices increased a touch over 10 per cent.
TD Securities says the scale of the utility price increases was in line with Treasury's forecasts.
These rises were offset by falling petrol and diesel costs, and price falls for insurance and financial services, and holiday travel and accommodation.
TD Securities head of Asia-Pacific research Annette Beacher says, outside of utilities, there was no evidence of the carbon tax pushing up prices.
"We looked closely at food, airfares, some electrical appliances, we looked at the other sectors that were meant to have an impact of the carbon tax and we don't see anything," she observed.
"So while the first round effects have certainly been on energy prices in July we have to keep looking at this gauge on a month to month basis to see if it actually starts creeping through into other sectors."
Annette Beacher says she was surprised by the lack of a wider carbon tax impact on prices.
"There is absolutely a first round impact of the carbon tax on utilities, but certainly we've found next to no evidence of the carbon tax on any of the other expenditure classes," she said.
However, she also notes that may change as businesses start receiving higher utility bills and pass on some of their higher energy costs.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-06/carbon-tax-affecting-utility-prices/4179448
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More proof of what a lying bastard Abbott is.
Carbon tax inflation fears yet to materialise
Date August 7, 2012
Peter Martin
TONY Abbott said its impact on the cost of living would be ''almost unimaginable''. Joe Hockey said it would ''drive up the price of everything''. Nationals Senate leader Barnaby Joyce said it would force working mothers to pay ''over $100 for a roast''.
Yet the first figures in on the price impact of the carbon tax show its effect contained and inflation low.
The privately compiled TD Securities Melbourne Institute price index barely moved as the carbon tax came in in July. The total increase for the month was 0.2 per cent, taking the annual rate of inflation to just 1.5 per cent, the lowest in three years.
TD Securities' findings aren't because energy prices didn't rise. It reports a jump in electricity prices of 14.9 per cent and a jump in household gas prices of 10.3 per cent, almost all of which would have been due to the carbon tax. But the little-appreciated reality of consumer spending is that by themselves electricity and gas aren't very important in household budgets. Combined, they make up 2.7 per cent of consumer spending. In contrast meals out and takeaway food account for 5.5 per cent and alcohol 4.8 per cent.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-tax-inflation-fears-yet-to-materialise-20120806-23qdp.html#ixzz22nQTy5Mw
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Atlantis sunk because they didn't impose a tax when the Bosporus strait busted :banghead Idiots back then were banging on with crap about how Orrorin scientists managed just fine in the late Miocene :banghead
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There's a bit of Terry Wallace about this bloke :thumbsup
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stuff yeah :thumbsup I can't wait for this bloke to lead our country.
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More proof of what a lying bastard Tont Abbott is...
Carbon tax in soft landing
Date August 10, 2012
THE federal opposition's scare campaign against the carbon tax has failed its first test. The Bureau of Statistics reports that seasonally adjusted employment rose by 14,000 in July - the month the tax took effect - while unemployment fell to 5.2 per cent.
For the government, it was a double bonus after the TD Securities-Melbourne Institute monthly inflation gauge reported on Monday that inflation rose just 0.2 per cent in July, and was flat over the past three months.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/carbon-tax-in-soft-landing-20120809-23x6t.html#ixzz234v24xt5
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From the Age editorial
Gillard at least deserves a tick for economy
August 10, 2012
It's a dubious sort of debate that divorces itself from basic fact.
WHAT must a government, even one losing the battle for hearts and minds, do to scrape a pass mark for economic management? On any objective assessment, Australia's economy is a gold medal performer. Yet Opposition Leader Tony Abbott routinely condemns ''the worst government in Australia's history''. Coalition Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey, faced with strong growth data, retorted: ''Imagine how well our country could do if we had a good government.''
Some suggest the government got lucky, that it inherited a strong economy and that current figures are suspect. Mr Stevens is showing signs of impatience with the ''glass half-empty'' view. His speech last month, ''The Lucky Country'', rejects the notion that pure luck can explain a ''remarkably good'' performance in the years since government stimulus kept the global recession at bay. Mr Stevens went through data showing the economy's performance has been ''more than acceptable over recent years'', adding: ''This conclusion would stand whether comparisons were made against most other countries or against our own historical experience.''
Australians can check for themselves. The Reserve Bank's online Chart Pack consistently tells the same remarkable story. Inflation, interest rates and unemployment are all at or near two-decade lows, while participation remains high. Even the much-lamented productivity rate has ticked up; output per hour worked is the highest in a decade. Other developed nations have half our growth - Mr Stevens highlighted the disparity in real GDP growth since 2007 - and twice the jobless rate...
The Westpac-Melbourne Institute index of consumer confidence reveals a disconnect between such facts and public opinion. Labor voters score 124 and Coalition voters a gloomy 79. The disparity belies their access to the same economic facts. So vital is consumer confidence that all responsible political leaders must be wary of ''talking down'' the economy. Whatever the sins of Julia Gillard and her government, gross economic mismanagement is not one of them.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/editorial/gillard-at-least-deserves-a-tick-for-economy-20120809-23wyk.html#ixzz236kbxxWp
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I am not interested and don't often get involved in politics because they are all self-serving, greedy, power hungry despots.
But I heard this via DLP member, who is a friend of mine despite fitting into the aforementioned political criteria.
I thought it was a bit of a conspiracy theory - Abbott is a devout Catholic but is leading a Free Mason dominated party.
If he wins power - will they change him out?
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I am not interested and don't often get involved in politics because they are all self-serving, greedy, power hungry despots.
But I heard this via DLP member, who is a friend of mine despite fitting into the aforementioned political criteria.
I thought it was a bit of a conspiracy theory - Abbott is a devout Catholic but is leading a Free Mason dominated party.
If he wins power - will they change him out?
Freemasonry isn't as big a deal any more. You can be a Freemason and be of any denomination as long as you believe in a maker/creator/divine being etc. A really good made of mine was/is a 13th degree in one order, he was into ariosophy, some thelemic practices and very, very... Err 'right wing.' His political opinions had absolutely no bearing on his position in the order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least a quarter of our federal politicians are, have been, or associated with freemasonry and Scottish Ritemasonry. Abbott is very evangelical so this would not be surprising at all. In fact that's my major beef with the bloke. I believe politics should be secular and it gets up my goat when he makes references to scripture or Geez.
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Im sure abbot is hanging out, waiting for an invite to the Bohemian Grove.
That crap would be right up his alley.
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Im sure abbot is hanging out, waiting for an invite to the Bohemian Grove.
That crap would be right up his alley.
In all seriousness, it would be.
We just might catch him in his budgie smugglers there next time Alex Jones sneaks in :lol
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Good to see Tony being called out on his lies about the carbon tax and "illegal" asylum seekers.
How anybody can trust this man beggars belief.
Watch this clip and make up your own mind. For me, he a lying bastard pure and simple.
Tony Abbott blames carbon tax for 'uncertainty'
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the carbon price and mining tax are to blame for economic uncertainty in Australia while also responding to the language of asylum and the nature of speech in parliament.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-22/tony-abbott-blames-carbon-tax-for-uncertainty/4216308
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Shoots from the hip Tony.
If he wants to get elected he'd better start doing his research and providing facts and solid policy rather than spin.
As the election gets closer his curtain will get pulled back and hopefully expose him for what he is.
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http://www.thevine.com.au/life/news/leigh-sales-destroys-tony-abbott-the-second-by-second-recap/
It's the same video that '65 posted, but with a second by second recap so you can skip to the good bits.
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:lol
what a buffoon. If it wasnt so scary it would be funny that this bloke is the PM in waiting.
(The way he deflects has me convinced he and and Jackstar are one and the same :shh)
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I've often thought that this is what he thinks too:
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Australia to link with European Union Emissions Trading Scheme in 2015
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/australia-to-link-with-european-union-emissions-trading-scheme-in-2015/story-fncynkc6-1226459993288
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Australia to link with European Union Emissions Trading Scheme in 2015
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/australia-to-link-with-european-union-emissions-trading-scheme-in-2015/story-fncynkc6-1226459993288
This is going to make it even harder for Tony Rabbot to appeal this law.
:thumbsup
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Tony has been very quiet lately.
Maybe he thinks that is his best strategy.
:cheers
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Malcolm's veiled attack on Tony Rabbitt
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Turnbull targets cynical politics
Michelle Grattan
LIBERAL frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull has condemned the ''deficit of trust'' in Australian politics, calling on MPs to avoid raising false expectations and misrepresenting opponents' positions.
Delivering the George Winterton lecture in Perth last night Mr Turnbull, a key pro-republic campaigner before the 1999 referendum, also admitted the direct election of a president - which he trenchantly opposed in the 1990s - ''may be the only bullet in the republican arsenal'', and could work.
And he has strongly attacked the narrow focus of Parliament question time, urging that the prime minister only appear on some days, leaving ministers to be probed on a wider range of issues.
''For the last two years the questions from the opposition have been almost entirely focused on people smuggling and the carbon tax. Are they really the only important issues facing Australia?'' he said.
He said this was not criticising Tony Abbott or Julia Gillard. ''There was a concentration of themes when I was leader and Kevin Rudd was prime minister. It is the consequence of having the Prime Minister the focus of question time every single day.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/turnbull-targets-cynical-politics-20120905-25ewb.html#ixzz25czA9lk9 (http://www.theage.com.au/national/turnbull-targets-cynical-politics-20120905-25ewb.html#ixzz25czA9lk9)
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Tony has been very quiet lately.
Maybe he thinks that is his best strategy.
:cheers
Yep. Damage control after his recent gaffes.
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And so it begins.
Expect a challenge to Tony if the polls go pear shaped.
Turnbull hits out at political 'trust deficit'
Former Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull has taken a swipe at his own party's tactics in Question Time, saying Australians have come to see the Federal Parliament as "nothing more than a forum for abuse, catcalling and spin".
Mr Turnbull made the comments in a wide-ranging speech on "Republican virtues" (http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/speeches/republican-virtues-truth-leadership-and-responsibility/) at the University of Western Australia last night.
He said the Opposition's questions for the past two years have been almost entirely focused on people smuggling and the carbon tax, and questioned whether they were the only important issues facing Australia.
"If you love your country, have an interest in politics or policy, and care deeply about our nation’s future, there is nothing more certain to arouse your fury and invite your contempt than listening to an entire House of Representatives Question Time," he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-06/turnbull-takes-a-swipe-at-coalition-tactics/4245598 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-06/turnbull-takes-a-swipe-at-coalition-tactics/4245598)
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Question time is a bit of a farce. The Government gets its backbenchers to ask pro-government Dorothy Dixes so Government ministers can grandstand in Parliament while the Opposition does the complete opposite grandstanding themselves under the guise of holding the Government to account. In the end nothing is achieved or done yet we as taxpayers are forced to pay these pollies so they can act like 5-year olds. The media contributes to this whole charade by now being so partisan with biased opinion writers disguised as journos shoving their one-sided views down everyone's throats especially in the papers or on AM radio. The political blogs are even worse with their fanatical followers and their conspiracy theories :help. Turnbull is right about the state of politics now although his speech was most likely just used to remind everyone he's still around and to take a dig at the guy who took his job as opposition leader and then gave him a shadow portfolio which makes him invisible.
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Question time is a bit of a farce. The Government gets its backbenchers to ask pro-government Dorothy Dixes so Government ministers can grandstand in Parliament while the Opposition does the complete opposite grandstanding themselves under the guise of holding the Government to account. In the end nothing is achieved or done yet we as taxpayers are forced to pay these pollies so they can act like 5-year olds. The media contributes to this whole charade by now being so partisan with biased opinion writers disguised as journos shoving their one-sided views down everyone's throats especially in the papers or on AM radio. The political blogs are even worse with their fanatical followers and their conspiracy theories :help. Turnbull is right about the state of politics now although his speech was most likely just used to remind everyone he's still around and to take a dig at the guy who took his job as opposition leader and then gave him a shadow portfolio which makes him invisible.
The solution to the Question time debacle is simple.
Ban the media. No radio or TV broadcast and give the print media access to hansard only.
:thumbsup
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Question time is a bit of a farce. The Government gets its backbenchers to ask pro-government Dorothy Dixes so Government ministers can grandstand in Parliament while the Opposition does the complete opposite grandstanding themselves under the guise of holding the Government to account. In the end nothing is achieved or done yet we as taxpayers are forced to pay these pollies so they can act like 5-year olds. The media contributes to this whole charade by now being so partisan with biased opinion writers disguised as journos shoving their one-sided views down everyone's throats especially in the papers or on AM radio. The political blogs are even worse with their fanatical followers and their conspiracy theories :help. Turnbull is right about the state of politics now although his speech was most likely just used to remind everyone he's still around and to take a dig at the guy who took his job as opposition leader and then gave him a shadow portfolio which makes him invisible.
The solution to the Question time debacle is simple.
Ban the media. No radio or TV broadcast and give the print media access to hansard only.
:thumbsup
You would have to ban people from the gallery as well if you banned the media. No pollie would do it as they would get labelled anti-democratic.
I've actually been to a question time sitting way back in 1995 when I was staying in Canberra for work (yes there isn't much else to do in Canberra lol). Parliament hasn't been the same since Keating was around calling the opposition scumbags ;D. My main memory though looking down from the front row of the gallary at two opposition pollies swapping holiday snap shots and another reading the paper. Taxpayers' money hard at work ::).
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Abbott, Newman and Baillieu are Federal Labor's best friends at the minute. If the trend in yesterday's polls continue then the media will smell a Liberal leadership challenge rather than a Labor one. No coincidence Turnbull has made himself more visible again in recent times. The problem for him though is while the public prefer him to Abbott, his own party doesn't.
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Abbott, Newman and Baillieu are Federal Labor's best friends at the minute.
Add Cory Bernardi and his moronic views to the list.
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Pity Tony wouldn't let his colleagues have a conscience vote on the gay marriage bill proposal rather than forcing then to tow party policy lines
Still think it would have been defeated but it would have been interesting to see the actual numbers not what got dished up yesterday
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_playe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_playe)
Lest we forget!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_playe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_playe)
Lest we forget!
Yes come the election this will get dragged out but...
Does anybody give a fat rat's clacker about the carbon tax anymore?
A dead issue.
Just like the boat people is a dead issue.
Next?
How about Tony's attitude to women (50% of the population), not a dead issue.
Interesting year ahead of us.
:cheers
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_playe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMVc0IbtyAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_playe)
Lest we forget!
Yes come the election this will get dragged out but...
Does anybody give a fat rat's clacker about the carbon tax anymore?
A dead issue.
Just like the boat people is a dead issue.
Next?
How about Tony's attitude to women (50% of the population), not a dead issue.
Interesting year ahead of us.
:cheers
Doesnt Tony have a wife and three daughters? To be honest I think the biggest load of poo is the crap about his bad attitude toward women. rubbish!
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Doesnt Tony have a wife and three daughters? To be honest I think the biggest load of poo is the crap about his bad attitude toward women. rubbish!
Yeah he does and he drags up that point everytime he is under any sort of scrutiny when is faces questions or when stories surface about his "attitude" towards women. Which IMV fuels the fire even more
It's been the comments he has made over time about certain issues that have upset women, eg his views on pre-martial sex, contraception etc ... Then there was the pre-marital the long lost son that wasn't and the comments that came before, during and after of course = not good ::)
His terrible handling of the "punching the wall" incident again raised more questions. He flipped; flopped through that one and damaged himself in the process or perhaps we just saw the "real" Tony ;D
Suggest you do some research :thumbsup
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:lol
They are all tarred with the same brush, but i think phoney toney got a double dose of the tarring;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk
The thought of this bumbling buffoon in serious negotiations with China or the like would be funny if it wasn't so scary.
and again here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk
just got to love the way he justifies his lies by giving non answers to the questions.
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Doesnt Tony have a wife and three daughters? To be honest I think the biggest load of poo is the crap about his bad attitude toward women. rubbish!
Yeah he does and he drags up that point everytime he is under any sort of scrutiny when is faces questions or when stories surface about his "attitude" towards women. Which IMV fuels the fire even more
It's been the comments he has made over time about certain issues that have upset women, eg his views on pre-martial sex, contraception etc ... Then there was the pre-marital the long lost son that wasn't and the comments that came before, during and after of course = not good ::)
His terrible handling of the "punching the wall" incident again raised more questions. He flipped; flopped through that one and damaged himself in the process or perhaps we just saw the "real" Tony ;D
Suggest you do some research :thumbsup
Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction. It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.
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and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRouoxpF7S0&feature=related
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and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_SfWbXowLw&feature=related
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:lol
They are all tarred with the same brush, but i think phoney toney got a double dose of the tarring;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk
The thought of this bumbling buffoon in serious negotiations with China or the like would be funny if it wasn't so scary.
and again here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk
just got to love the way he justifies his lies by giving non answers to the questions.
Both links are the same.
What did he say that wasn't true.
You can't trust what a politician says full stop.
Just ask Julia to explain why she isn't playing forward pocket for footscray or why she isn't sailing solo around the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpZzRo4EdDo&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpZzRo4EdDo&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
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:lol
They are all tarred with the same brush, but i think phoney toney got a double dose of the tarring;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk
The thought of this bumbling buffoon in serious negotiations with China or the like would be funny if it wasn't so scary.
and again here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk
just got to love the way he justifies his lies by giving non answers to the questions.
Both links are the same.
What did he say that wasn't true.
You can't trust what a politician says full stop.
Just ask Julia to explain why she isn't playing forward pocket for footscray or why she isn't sailing solo around the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpZzRo4EdDo&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpZzRo4EdDo&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Is that the best you can come up with?
:lol
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and I think I am in love with Leigh Sales
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXhbg80E2JE
It should be clear to all that Tony said a pack of lies about the effect of the Carbon Tax.
If he wins the morons who vote for him will get what they deserve.
:cheers
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and one to get us all up and dancing.
:lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5rLroF9gsk&feature=related
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and I think I am in love with Leigh Sales
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXhbg80E2JE
It should be clear to all that Tony said a pack of lies about the effect of the Carbon Tax.
If he wins the morons who vote for him will get what they deserve.
:cheers
thats the interview my second link was supposed to be.
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:lol
They are all tarred with the same brush, but i think phoney toney got a double dose of the tarring;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk
The thought of this bumbling buffoon in serious negotiations with China or the like would be funny if it wasn't so scary.
and again here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk
just got to love the way he justifies his lies by giving non answers to the questions.
Both links are the same.
What did he say that wasn't true.
You can't trust what a politician says full stop.
Just ask Julia to explain why she isn't playing forward pocket for footscray or why she isn't sailing solo around the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpZzRo4EdDo&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpZzRo4EdDo&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Is that the best you can come up with?
:lol
Facts are '65 that mostly all pollies are full of poo. But the difference between the two leaders are that Julia has lied straight to our faces without blinking.
She lied about ousting Rudd 2 weeks before she did.
She lied about the carbon tax days before the election.
You might think those two points are trivial but I don't.
No grey areas there. As blatant as the red on her head.
Abbott starting that you can't trust what a politician says in the heat of discussion isn't a lie but the truth for all politicians.
I don't understand him being criticized for being honest in that instance.
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tony too has lied to our faces, that was gist of the interviews.
its just that your blind faith allows the jackstar type deflections to work so you dont see this
just as the blind faith of catholics allowed the rooting and physical abuse of countless children by those who could no wrong.
The most dangerous thing in the world , is blind faith.
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tony too has lied to our faces, that was gist of the interviews.
its just that your blind faith allows the jackstar type deflections to work so you dont see this
just as the blind faith of catholics allowed the rooting and physical abuse of countless children by those who could no wrong.
The most dangerous thing in the world , is blind faith.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
First of all I dont have blind faith in tony or Julia or any politician. I grew up an indoctrinated one eyed labour voter because my dad was a labour fanatic. I grew up a Roman catholic because my mum told me I had to be one.
I'm neither a labour supporter or a roman catholic anymore.
Just because your born in a garage doesn't make you a car.
Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.
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Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction. It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.
My judgement isn't clouded and I don't think I am a mentally challenged voter - that's a cheap shot and offensive BTW.
Bottomline is he as lied like all pollies do and have. His views on certain things I find staggering and quite frankly he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house.
Simple fact is I don't like, him I don't trust him.
You say this:
Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.
Well guess what so have I.
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Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction. It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.
My judgement isn't clouded and I don't think I am a mentally challenged voter - that's a cheap shot and offensive BTW.
Bottomline is he as lied like all pollies do and have. His views on certain things I find staggering and quite frankly he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house.
Simple fact is I don't like, him I don't trust him.
You say this:
Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.
Well guess what so have I.
WP: Not just a grumpy old moderator.
:bow
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tony too has lied to our faces, that was gist of the interviews.
its just that your blind faith allows the jackstar type deflections to work so you dont see this
just as the blind faith of catholics allowed the rooting and physical abuse of countless children by those who could no wrong.
The most dangerous thing in the world , is blind faith.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
First of all I dont have blind faith in tony or Julia or any politician. I grew up an indoctrinated one eyed labour voter because my dad was a labour fanatic. I grew up a Roman catholic because my mum told me I had to be one.
I'm neither a labour supporter or a roman catholic anymore.
Just because your born in a garage doesn't make you a car.
Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.
and now you are are self indoctrinated one eyed liberal voter, otherwise you you wouldn't make statements like;
But the difference between the two leaders are that Julia has lied straight to our faces without blinking.
yet in the same breath try to justify that all pollies lie.
Untill voters , on mass, show their dissatisfaction with the major political parties by not voting for them, we will continue to get these slimy turds lie and back flip.
As it is we get one pollie lie and backflip. The barrackers of the other team point it out, and the barrackers of the original team simply point out the lies and backflips from the other team
All the while they either ignore their own teams lies and backflips, or justify them by the opposition's.
In your case you seem to do both.
As long as the simple masses continue to do this, the politicians of both major parties will treat us all with contempt.
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Faith: the total and irrational conviction in something with total disregard to evidence.
Al, you pretty much summed up the precise downfall of the establishment between the lines of your post. One lot of slimy turds point out the failures of the reigning turds and sell the "we will obey" masses promises of improvement. When the power is shifted the same slimy turds will sell the same lies and garbage as the previous donkeys to keep their position. It's like signing up with a new company. Try calling Telstra as a new customer. Straight through to an Aussie assistant and hassle free. Then call back as an existing customer and wait on hold to Rahul in Bombay for half an hour.
Any one besides the two majors are lining up to accept a teabag from either of them.
he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house.
I can't agree more with this. I can't stand any of them but IMO politics and government should be secular.
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Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction. It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.
My judgement isn't clouded and I don't think I am a mentally challenged voter - that's a cheap shot and offensive BTW.
Bottomline is he as lied like all pollies do and have. His views on certain things I find staggering and quite frankly he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house.
Simple fact is I don't like, him I don't trust him.
You say this:
Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.
Well guess what so have I.
I do apologise WP.
I never said you were mentally challenged. I said you were clouded like those that are mentally challenged. My apologies, No offence intended.
I'm glad your minds made up.
I for one look not at just the leader of a party but what the party stands for and for this reason I can't ever vote labor. But there is a party (greens) that are far worse than labor and I hope that they fall by the wayside just like the democrats have.
On religious views I think it's important to stand by your religious conviction when standing for your particular electorate. With your particular stance you lay it all on the table and if the voters like it or not they can vote for you or not.
With labor this isn't possible. They just have to choose candidates for pre selection that fits their constitutional number criteria ie. union, female etc. and then your a puppet of the party with no right to choose or think for yourself.
Oh yeh democracy is alive and well at labor...not!
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I do apologise WP.
I never said you were mentally challenged. I said you were clouded like those that are mentally challenged. My apologies, No offence intended.
I'm glad your minds made up.
I for one look not at just the leader of a party but what the party stands for and for this reason I can't ever vote labor. But there is a party (greens) that are far worse than labor and I hope that they fall by the wayside just like the democrats have.
No probs - apology accepted :thumbsup
I too look beyond the leader and believe me I look at what the party stands for now but also I also look at what it has stood for in the past and from there I make my choice
BTW I dont look at what's in it for me because as I have said many times we get no govt handouts but I certainly do look at which party is prepared too tackle the issues I feel passionately about eg Pensioners, the disabled, aged care & mental health,
And I don't think you have to worry too much about the Greens, they'll be a long distant memory within the next 5-10 years - GONESKI is word that springs to mind ;D
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I do apologise WP.
I never said you were mentally challenged. I said you were clouded like those that are mentally challenged. My apologies, No offence intended.
I'm glad your minds made up.
I for one look not at just the leader of a party but what the party stands for and for this reason I can't ever vote labor. But there is a party (greens) that are far worse than labor and I hope that they fall by the wayside just like the democrats have.
No probs - apology accepted :thumbsup
I too look beyond the leader and believe me I look at what the party stands for now but also I also look at what it has stood for in the past and from there I make my choice
BTW I dont look at what's in it for me because as I have said many times we get no govt handouts but I certainly do look at which party is prepared too tackle the issues I feel passionately about eg Pensioners, the disabled, aged care & mental health,
And I don't think you have to worry too much about the Greens, they'll be a long distant memory within the next 5-10 years - GONESKI is word that springs to ming ;D
I hope so. :thumbsup
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Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction. It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.
My judgement isn't clouded and I don't think I am a mentally challenged voter - that's a cheap shot and offensive BTW.
Bottomline is he as lied like all pollies do and have. His views on certain things I find staggering and quite frankly he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house.
Simple fact is I don't like, him I don't trust him.
You say this:
Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.
Well guess what so have I.
I do apologise WP.
I never said you were mentally challenged. I said you were clouded like those that are mentally challenged. My apologies, No offence intended.
I'm glad your minds made up.
I for one look not at just the leader of a party but what the party stands for and for this reason I can't ever vote labor. But there is a party (greens) that are far worse than labor and I hope that they fall by the wayside just like the democrats have.
On religious views I think it's important to stand by your religious conviction when standing for your particular electorate. With your particular stance you lay it all on the table and if the voters like it or not they can vote for you or not.
With labor this isn't possible. They just have to choose candidates for pre selection that fits their constitutional number criteria ie. union, female etc. and then your a puppet of the party with no right to choose or think for yourself.
Oh yeh democracy is alive and well at labor...not!
:huh
Which party allowed its members to vote according to their conscience and beliefs regarding gay marriage and which party forced its MPs to vote how its leader and party machine demanded? :whistle
ps. Good to see the PM was in New York so she could meet and discuss issues with Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in person rather than heading to Jakarta as dopey Abbott demanded :stupid.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/not-in-jakarta-the-meeting-tony-abbott-demanded/story-fn59niix-1226482734166
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Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction. It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.
My judgement isn't clouded and I don't think I am a mentally challenged voter - that's a cheap shot and offensive BTW.
Bottomline is he as lied like all pollies do and have. His views on certain things I find staggering and quite frankly he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house.
Simple fact is I don't like, him I don't trust him.
You say this:
Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.
Well guess what so have I.
I do apologise WP.
I never said you were mentally challenged. I said you were clouded like those that are mentally challenged. My apologies, No offence intended.
I'm glad your minds made up.
I for one look not at just the leader of a party but what the party stands for and for this reason I can't ever vote labor. But there is a party (greens) that are far worse than labor and I hope that they fall by the wayside just like the democrats have.
On religious views I think it's important to stand by your religious conviction when standing for your particular electorate. With your particular stance you lay it all on the table and if the voters like it or not they can vote for you or not.
With labor this isn't possible. They just have to choose candidates for pre selection that fits their constitutional number criteria ie. union, female etc. and then your a puppet of the party with no right to choose or think for yourself.
Oh yeh democracy is alive and well at labor...not!
:huh
Which party allowed its members to vote according to their conscience and beliefs regarding gay marriage and which party forced its MPs to vote how its leader and party machine demanded? :whistle
ps. Good to see the PM was in New York so she could meet and discuss issues with Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in person rather than heading to Jakarta as dopey Abbott demanded :stupid.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/not-in-jakarta-the-meeting-tony-abbott-demanded/story-fn59niix-1226482734166
Which party allows its members to cross the floor on any bill?
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Do some research?
His views on pre marital sex, contraception, abortion etc. Is purely religious conviction. It wouldn't matter if your a man as far as Christian conviction is concerned its purely the same stance on every issue.
Unlike Islam the Christian message promotes women in very high esteem for anyone that knows the difference between old and vs new covenant dogma.
It sounds to me that labour spin has once again clouded your judgement not unlike those mentally challenged voters who won't vote for him because he wears budgie smugglers or anyone who votes green.
My judgement isn't clouded and I don't think I am a mentally challenged voter - that's a cheap shot and offensive BTW.
Bottomline is he as lied like all pollies do and have. His views on certain things I find staggering and quite frankly he should leave his religous covictions at the front door of parliment house.
Simple fact is I don't like, him I don't trust him.
You say this:
Ive made up my own mind on religion and politics.
Well guess what so have I.
I do apologise WP.
I never said you were mentally challenged. I said you were clouded like those that are mentally challenged. My apologies, No offence intended.
I'm glad your minds made up.
I for one look not at just the leader of a party but what the party stands for and for this reason I can't ever vote labor. But there is a party (greens) that are far worse than labor and I hope that they fall by the wayside just like the democrats have.
On religious views I think it's important to stand by your religious conviction when standing for your particular electorate. With your particular stance you lay it all on the table and if the voters like it or not they can vote for you or not.
With labor this isn't possible. They just have to choose candidates for pre selection that fits their constitutional number criteria ie. union, female etc. and then your a puppet of the party with no right to choose or think for yourself.
Oh yeh democracy is alive and well at labor...not!
:huh
Which party allowed its members to vote according to their conscience and beliefs regarding gay marriage and which party forced its MPs to vote how its leader and party machine demanded? :whistle
ps. Good to see the PM was in New York so she could meet and discuss issues with Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in person rather than heading to Jakarta as dopey Abbott demanded :stupid.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/not-in-jakarta-the-meeting-tony-abbott-demanded/story-fn59niix-1226482734166
Which party allows its members to cross the floor on any bill?
Not the Libs/Nats as shown by the gay marriage vote. Abbott and the party machine barred any Liberal MP from voting according to their conscience. That's the point!
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More evidence of the effect of (or lack of) the carbon tax.
The poll in itself is interesting.
Firm revives chemical project
Date October 8, 2012 12
A CHEMICAL company that announced last year it was shelving a $1 billion expansion because of the carbon price - bolstering Coalition claims the scheme would kill investment - now says it is pushing ahead with the project.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/firm-revives-chemical-project-20121007-277d9.html#ixzz28dplvBcL
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Why about the evidence of human contribution to rising (read: marginally increased) CO2ppm levels?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FdEnorHjJ58/SQPVd_iJPvI/AAAAAAAAATA/K8t4tFmY4EM/s400/*ObeyGiant.gif)
*cough*eocene
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Another chink in Tony's armour.
Abbott holds firm on wheat deregulation
By chief political correspondent Simon Cullen
Tony Abbott is confident the Coalition will stick with its decision to block Labor's wheat industry deregulation plan despite growing internal divisions over the issue.
A number of Coalition MPs have declared they will either cross the floor or abstain from a vote on legislation that would dismantle the regulator Wheat Exports Australia.
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There's a bit of Terry Wallace about this bloke :thumbsup
His efforts today reminded me of Wallet rocking up to a presser with a basketball. :lol vintage Wallace :thumbsup
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spot on are Tony's thoughts about Slipper and our PM.
what possible reason does Gillard have for supporting such a piece of slime
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spot on are Tony's thoughts about Slipper and our PM.
what possible reason does Gillard have for supporting such a piece of slime
And spot on are the PMs views on Abbott and his sexist views. His wife can say what she likes but his record on certain issues speaks volumes. Said it before will say it again he should keep his religious views at front the door of Parliament House and not use them to broker policy
Bit of pot calling the kettle black today.
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spot on are Tony's thoughts about Slipper and our PM.
what possible reason does Gillard have for supporting such a piece of slime
And spot on are the PMs views on Abbott and his sexist views. His wife can say what she likes but his record on certain issues speaks volumes. Said it before will say it again he should keep his religious views at front the door of Parliament House and not use them to broker policy
Bit of pot calling the kettle black today.
My comment was not about other certain issues it was about that slime bucket and the PM who seems to love his great work.
I can't believe she is even spoken about as a leader these days. Abbott is spot on the whole party should be ashamed of themselves. Have you read the messages?
What an absolute creep of a human being
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My comment was not about other certain issues it was about that slime bucket and the PM who seems to love his great work.
I can't believe she is even spoken about as a leader these days. Abbott is spot on the whole party should be ashamed of themselves. Have you read the messages?
What an absolute creep of a human being
Slipper is a creep, a creep that was endorsed at the last election by the Liberal party. A creep
Yeah I have read the messages that have been reported and you are right they are disgusting and BTW there is a some irony with people getting up on their high horses over them when I read some of the disprespectful sexist comments posted towards women on things like Twitter and footy forums for that matter but I digress
I still think Abbott proved yersterday he was a hypocrite (have thought it for a long long time actually), he took the moral stand yesterday but over time some of his comments have been just as crude, insensitive and offensive. But that's OK is it?
As I said pot calling kettle black
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Julia getting world wide attention.
Julia 'badass' Gillard: Slipper resignation just a sidebar
Date October 10, 2012 - 8:56AM
Prime Minister Julia Gillard: a "badass" champion for women around the world.
"No matter what you think of her politics, there's much to admire in the manner in which Julia Gillard, the prime minister, sets about Tony Abbott, the leader of the opposition."
The Prime Minister's 15-minute speech condemning misogyny and attacking Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's history of comments about abortion, women's roles in the home and their ability to wield authority has impressed political pundits in the US and UK
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/julia-badass-gillard-slipper-resignation-just-a-sidebar-20121010-27c0g.html#ixzz28qVI2qz7
and if you want to want to watch Julia in full flight...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihd7ofrwQX0
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Amazing insight into the political animal that is Tony Abbott...
How Tony Abbott laboured over choice of party
by: ROSS FITZGERALD AND STEPHEN HOLT
From:The Australian
October 13, 201212:00AM
NEWLY discovered letters that Tony Abbott wrote to his Melbourne-based mentor B.A. "Bob" Santamaria illuminate his inner struggle to decide which major political party to join.
They show that the person we know as a roguish right-winger during his university days and now as a highly combative Opposition Leader could have ended up a Labor MP....
...But which of the major parties was the more suitable?
Labor's previous 30 years of hostility to Santamaria weighed against it but Abbott wrote, "our roots and the origins of our political culture are there". But if the ALP was not "dominated" by Santamaria-style ideas, it would succumb to "the grip of the Left or of soulless pragmatists". This was intolerable.
However, the Liberal Party was just as problematic. It was "without soul, direction or inspiring leadership", while its members were divided between "surviving trendies and the more or less simple-minded advocates of the free market".
The Liberal Party's mixture of "hand-wringing indecision or inappropriate economic Ramboism and perhaps their lack of political professionalism" struck Abbott as a fatal combination.
The choice on offer was bleak. "To join either existing party involves holding one's nose," he wrote. "Either way would upset some. But to do nothing dooms us to extinction." For a while, the choice for Abbott seemed to be the ALP. The NSW Labor government led by right-wing stalwart Barrie Unsworth was due to fight an election in March 1988 and this was surely "a window of opportunity" to be exploited.
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Julia getting world wide attention.
Julia 'badass' Gillard: Slipper resignation just a sidebar
Date October 10, 2012 - 8:56AM
Prime Minister Julia Gillard: a "badass" champion for women around the world.
"No matter what you think of her politics, there's much to admire in the manner in which Julia Gillard, the prime minister, sets about Tony Abbott, the leader of the opposition."
The Prime Minister's 15-minute speech condemning misogyny and attacking Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's history of comments about abortion, women's roles in the home and their ability to wield authority has impressed political pundits in the US and UK
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/julia-badass-gillard-slipper-resignation-just-a-sidebar-20121010-27c0g.html#ixzz28qVI2qz7
and if you want to want to watch Julia in full flight...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihd7ofrwQX0
As much as I dislike both leaders it was great seeing Abbott torn to shreds. :clapping
Reckon If enough people (esp women) see that video it could have an impact on the polls
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Tony caught out with more blatant lies.
This man thinks he can say anything at all.
Doubts on Abbott's tunnel promise
Date October 17, 2012
OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott never spoke to the co-ordinator at Infrastructure Australia — or his office — about the controversial east-west tunnel in Melbourne, which a Coalition government would fund to the tune of $1.5 billion.
Mr Abbott had claimed he had consulted the authority before announcing his plan.
The revelations have raised questions about how the Coalition would plan and pay for the project. Public transport user groups said the comments highlight the fact Mr Abbott was a ‘‘road lobbyist’’.
On June 30, Mr Abbott said that a future Coalition government would contribute $4 billion towards major road projects in Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne, saying he had held discussions with state governments and Infrastructure Australia.
In Melbourne, the Coalition promised $1.5 billion for the East-West link with Mr Abbott saying: ‘‘Infrastructure Australia have given me a categoric [sic] assurance that this project stacks up.’’And, ‘‘I explicitly discussed this specific project with Infrastructure Australia before making the announcement.’’
But during a Senate budget hearing in Canberra yesterday, the co-ordinator of Infrastructure Australia, Michael Deegan, said neither he nor his office had ever spoken to Mr Abbott or his office about the project.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/doubts-on-abbotts-tunnel-promise-20121016-27oo3.html#ixzz29UiILup7
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Well stuff me the carbon tax is reducing carbon emissions.
:lol
Power pollution plunges
Date October 18, 2012
THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.
As Victoria's Yallourn brown-coal-fired power station became the latest to announce a production cut, experts said falling demand for electricity, more renewables such as wind farms and solar, and the carbon price were all pushing Australia's coal-fired stations out of the market, making generation cleaner.
Electricity sold into the east coast market in the three months since the tax was introduced created on average 7.6 per cent less carbon dioxide for each megawatt hour of power, an analysis of figures compiled by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.
Compared with the same three months last year, the decline in emissions was about 6.3 per cent, after seasonal differences are ironed out.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/power-pollution-plunges-20121017-27rn9.html#ixzz29aNnS1Pa
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Yet CO2ppm levels have not, and will not drop.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KKyLXMUvaWc/TYy8Z3RdgVI/AAAAAAAAAlM/tSfdq4FWrXE/s1600/leebp-110326-001.jpg)
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Hello China
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Even ASEAN thinks Tony is full of poo.
Coalition boat plan attacked
Date October 24, 2012
In what is the sharpest critique to date from a senior figure in the region, Dr Surin also said countries understood that the Opposition Leader was primarily targeting an audience at home.
Dr Surin is the secretary-general of the Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN), a group of 10 nations that includes Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand, all grappling with the explosion of asylum seekers crossing their territory en route to Australia.
‘‘Rhetoric, political rhetoric, you have to take [Abbott’s comments] as such,’’ he said. ‘‘I think South-East Asia or ASEAN is really mature enough to appreciate that some of them are internal rhetoric for internal consumption, for internal political communication.’’
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/coalition-boat-plan-attacked-20121023-283k5.html#ixzz2A9QXGNG7
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You have to wonder what the world will think of Australia if we vote Tony Abbott in as PM.
'Sexist' Tony makes waves abroad
Date October 24, 2012
"'Misogynist' politician in new row". That's how The Guardian website summed up the latest chapter in Australian politics today.
Correspondent Alison Rourke wrote that Opposition Leader Tony Abbott had "plunged himself into a new row over his attitude towards women" by remarking the government lacked experience raising children.
Mr Abbott later said he was referring to his own experience raising daughters and not the fact that Prime Minister Julia Gillard did not have children.
A video of Mr Abbott's comments also featured prominently on the Guardian site, while the article attracted hundreds of likes, comments and tweets. It hovered around the fifth most-read story on one of the most-read news sites in the world, for much of the day.
One English woman tweeted of Mr Abbott, "Who IS this guy?!"
The Guardian carried two more stories on sexism in Australia. One covered Ms Gillard's recent positive polls in the wake of her speech against misogyny. The other, "How Australian women are standing up to 'Mr Sexist"', referred to journalist Tracey Spicer's letter to a fictitious Mr Sexist, based on her experience in newsrooms in Australia.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/sexist-tony-makes-waves-abroad-20121023-283w0.html#ixzz2A9S9Vtpc
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Are you on the labour payroll 1965?
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Are you on the labour payroll 1965?
It's called the Labor party (no u in it)
I am a card carrying tree hugging hippy from way back. :cheers
Did vote for the Greens but they lost me when they put ideology above lives.
And at this stage Gillard is a better option than the misogynist.
If Turnbull takes over from Tony it may be a different story.
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Malky :cheers
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Malky :cheers
As usual I have no idea what you are on about.
:lol
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neither do I
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1965 doesnt mention Craig Thomson the headline news story for the day.
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This is a thread about Tony not Craig.
:lol
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This is a thread about Tony not Craig.
:lol
This thread is about you having a labor love fest.
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This is a thread about Tony not Craig.
:lol
This thread is about you having a labor love fest.
bzzzt
Next contestant please.
:lol
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This thread is about you being boring?
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This is a thread about Tony not Craig.
:lol
This thread is about you having a labor love fest.
It is interesting that nobody is supporting Abbott anymore.
It more an attack the poster response at the moment.
:cheers
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More proof of what a lying bastard Abbott is...
Cost of carbon tax less than estimated
Date October 25, 2012
THE carbon tax has boosted the cost of living scarcely at all. Despite dire talk of an ''almost unimaginable'' increase (Tony Abbott) and $100 for a Sunday roast (Barnaby Joyce) the first official consumer price figures show a far lower impact than predicted by the Treasury.
Last July, Treasury said the tax would push up the consumer price index 0.70 percentage points, adding $9.90 per week to average household costs. In return, households were given compensation averaging $10.10 per week.
But 0.70 percentage points looks like being an overestimate. Inflation figures for the September quarter - the one that encompasses almost all of the electricity and gas price rises - show them adding 0.44 points to the CPI. It's a big figure, but not that much bigger than the usual September quarter slug.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/cost-of-carbon-tax-less-than-estimated-20121024-285se.html#ixzz2AF9DMJri
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Looks like the Government was on a winner with the mining tax. :lol whoopsie!! They sure didn't see the impact that falling revenues would create.
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Looks like the Government was on a winner with the mining tax. :lol whoopsie!! They sure didn't see the impact that falling revenues would create.
Didn't Abbott say the tax was grossly unfair on the poor mining companies?
:lol
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Looks like the Government was on a winner with the mining tax. :lol whoopsie!! They sure didn't see the impact that falling revenues would create.
Didn't Abbott say the tax was grossly unfair on the poor mining companies?
:lol
What is unfair is the government promising us a surplus based on the revenue generated by a mining tax. I can hear Wayne Swan's calculator working overtime on this one.
Surely 65 you must agree that it is foolhardy to estimate a surplus based on such a volatile market no matter who is in charge.
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Looks like the Government was on a winner with the mining tax. :lol whoopsie!! They sure didn't see the impact that falling revenues would create.
Didn't Abbott say the tax was grossly unfair on the poor mining companies?
:lol
What is unfair is the government promising us a surplus based on the revenue generated by a mining tax. I can hear Wayne Swan's calculator working overtime on this one.
Surely 65 you must agree that it is foolhardy to estimate a surplus based on such a volatile market no matter who is in charge.
Honestly who gives a fat rat's proverbial, most economists are saying that a suplus isn't necessary.
It's all politics.
The important thing is to keep Abbott out of office.
:cheers
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65 you just can't see the forest for the trees can you. ::) You are worrying too much about your next door neighbour's barking dog and completely ignoring the fact that your house is being eaten alive by termites.
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65 you just can't see the forest for the trees can you. ::) You are worrying too much about your next door neighbour's barking dog and completely ignoring the fact that your house is being eaten alive by termites.
:lol
There is a barking dog "Bob" next door and I have just had the hose checked for termites.
As for forests and trees, I have never quite got that one.
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"The carbon tax will mean the end of the coal industry" Tony Abbott
One of the world's largest coal mines gets go ahead
October 25
The Planning Assessment Commission has approved one of the biggest open-cut coal mines in the world in north-west New South Wales.
Whitehaven's Maules Creek Project, near the Leard State Forest, will extract 12 million tonnes of raw coal a year.
Whitehaven expects production at the mine to start mid-2013, with operations predicted to last around 30 years.
Managing director Tony Haggarty says stringent environmental conditions have been applied by the commission.
He says the mine will be good for the region economically and good for the state.
"It's one of the best coal developments in the world," he said.
"It's a large reserve, it's very good quality. It's the sort of coal that is in demand in the market place and because the reserve is large and because it has a long life there will be a significant area of land involved."
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Are you Kim Beazley 1965?
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Are you Kim Beazley 1965?
Kim is a big man.
Me not so much.
:cheers
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Are you Kim Beazley 1965?
:lol
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It more an attack the poster response at the moment.
:lol :lol :lol
:lol >:( :lol
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:lol
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Q. What does a pollie do when their approval rating in the polls is at an all time low because they are always negative?
A. Get your deputy to make a dill of themself for you instead :wallywink.
It must be a record for a leader of the opposition to just sit there and not ask the Government a single question over two days of parliament. Abbott has gone from chicken little to just plain chicken ;D. Surely the Libs will have to wake up that this idiot is going to cost them the 'unloseable' election. Like Latham was for Labor, Abbott is just unelectable.
ps. Nice to see our taxes being spent discussing the issues that affect us the Australian people which the pollies are meant to be representing - not! ::) :sleep.
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you want to see whats going on up here.
we have a treasurer that by her own admission in "not good at maths" :o
a party that has just icreased utility prices by 30-40% meaning on average a family will have to find $2000 extra a year, not to mention the increase in goods and services as business pass on the extra cost.
My first thoughts were that that the govt doesnt care about the financial hurt this will cause to families, business and ultimately the economy, but hearing the treasurer on the radio the other day, it was apparaent they have not even considered it.
A butcher rang up and said that he would probably have to close one of his shops and when asked for a reply the treasurer was silent, ummed and arred and the best she could come up with was, "well if its any consultation it brings us into line with other jurisdictions".
The lack of a prepared answer means that such an affect had not even crossed their mind.
The chief minister has said it would be unfair to bring in the price hikes in increments :huh3
and this from a party whose election platform was to reduce the cost of living
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Tony Abbot will be the next PM of Australia. It will happen in the next 12 months. The ALP as a Brand is TRASH under the conveyancer Gillard.
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then we are truly stuffed
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are you guys trying to drag 65 out of posting retirement? we get rid of him and you pull a stunt like this :banghead
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:P
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Q. What does a pollie do when their approval rating in the polls is at an all time low because they are always negative?
A. Get your deputy to make a dill of themself for you instead :wallywink.
It must be a record for a leader of the opposition to just sit there and not ask the Government a single question over two days of parliament. Abbott has gone from chicken little to just plain chicken ;D. Surely the Libs will have to wake up that this idiot is going to cost them the 'unloseable' election. Like Latham was for Labor, Abbott is just unelectable.
ps. Nice to see our taxes being spent discussing the issues that affect us the Australian people which the pollies are meant to be representing - not! ::) :sleep.
Actually smart move by Tony's advisors
Throw to the wolves the one person who is no threat to your leadership because their one goal is to deputy leader forever :rollin
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then we are truly stuffed
We're rooted anyway. One day, future generations will look back and wonder how this implicit form of communism with pseudo choices ever lasted so long in the first place.
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one day there will be no future generations.
capitalism is the seed of our self destruction
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one day there will be no future generations.
capitalism is the seed of our self destruction
I like the cut of your jib :cheers
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Capitalism is the one great true religion :lol Its every man for himself, communism sucks because in communism everyone is poor. Environmentalism also sucks, its just a social movement for hippies and the rest of the riff raff. ;D
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now now ramps, i know for a fact that you are an unabashed fan of one of the most socialist ideological policies of all time.
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are you guys trying to drag 65 out of posting retirement? we get rid of him and you pull a stunt like this :banghead
Not in retirement just flat out at work building next year's timetable.
I will return.
:cheers
I've just scooped 65's Teacher Timetable for 2013 :shh
Term 1 2013
Day 1
P1: Post ridiculous comments about Tony Abbott
P2: Check for annoyed Responses
P3: Reply with :cheers
P4: Annoy Coach Davey and everyone else at OER
P5: Maybe actually Teach something
Day 2
P1: Post quote from ABC News about Tony Abbott
P2: Spell check all OER posts and publicly correct them
P3: Post another ridiculous comment about Tony Abbott
P4: Make one post in Richmond Rant in an attempt to make people think that I actually have a genuine interest in the RFC
P5: Follow up with a :cheers to any negative replies
Day 3
P1: Post more ridiculous comments about Tony Abbott
P2: Give Chocolates to the School IT Guys so they can destroy the logs of my overuse of the Internet for Non Educational purposes
P3: Check the ABC website for more anti-Abbott drivel
P4: Quote findings
P5: Maybe think about teaching something but head to the Tuck shop instead for a fauxcacino with extra froth and chocolate sprinkles
Day 4
P1: Trawl the morning papers for more Anti-Abbott articles
P2: Post any articles found on OER
P3: Await :sleep 's and :banghead 's and follow up with a :cheers or a :thumbsup
P4: Maybe teach something
P5: Generally bore the crap out of everyone at OER.
Day 5
P1: Look for any overnight responses to my Tony Abbott thread and follow up with a :sleep
P2: Threaten to leave OER for good
P3: Leave OER (for good) and announce publicly.
P4: Return to OER
P5: Make ridiculous comment about Tony Abbott followed by an ABC quote.
Week 2
Repeat Week 1
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Snip! Let's keep this thread about politics and not other posters.
I've merged all the separate political threads into this one merged thread.
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Tony Wallace is gonna run things the right way
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This thread now has all the consistency of a Wayne Swan Budget forecast with slightly less cut and paste.
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Slipper case thrown out. This just confirms how low that mongrel Abbott will go to get power.
Be warned an Abbott government would be very dangerous.
Slipper sexual harassment case thrown out
Former House of Representatives speaker Peter Slipper has won his bid to have a sexual harassment case against him thrown out.
Federal Court Justice Steve Rares ruled that the case brought against Mr Slipper by one of his staff members was an "abuse of process", declaring that its "predominant purpose" was to politically damage the speaker.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-12/slipper-sexual-harassment-case-thrown-out/4423284
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And the Judge has awarded costs against Ashby and slammed Mal Brough in his judgment.
Pity Parliament is not sitting at the moment.
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Does that mean Slipper returns as speaker? :o
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Does that mean Slipper returns as speaker? :o
Pretty sure he resigned after the oyster incident.
:lol
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Australian politics slowly copying the loopy political extremes from the States. One Nation mark II :help
http://www.news.com.au/national/tea-party-to-whip-up-a-political-storm/story-fncynjr2-1226537489379
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Put Turnbull in charge of a political party and he will have my vote.
Lying is easy: Turnbull calls for less spin
Malcolm Turnbull has called for less spin in politics, savaged the negativity of public debate and criticised lazy media during a public address at the Woodford Folk Festival.
A large crowd – including former prime minister Bob Hawke - packed the Concert Stage area of the festival to hear the shadow communications minister and one-time leader of the federal Liberal party.
“It's not a 24-hour news cycle, it's a 60-second news cycle now, it's instantaneous,” said Mr Turnbull.
“It has never been easier to get away with telling lies. It has never been easier to get away with the glib one liner.”
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/lying-is-easy-turnbull-calls-for-less-spin-20121228-2bybw.html#ixzz2GHf3mDVX
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Put Turnbull in charge of a political party and he will have my vote.
Lying is easy: Turnbull calls for less spin
Malcolm Turnbull has called for less spin in politics, savaged the negativity of public debate and criticised lazy media during a public address at the Woodford Folk Festival.
A large crowd – including former prime minister Bob Hawke - packed the Concert Stage area of the festival to hear the shadow communications minister and one-time leader of the federal Liberal party.
“It's not a 24-hour news cycle, it's a 60-second news cycle now, it's instantaneous,” said Mr Turnbull.
“It has never been easier to get away with telling lies. It has never been easier to get away with the glib one liner.”
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/lying-is-easy-turnbull-calls-for-less-spin-20121228-2bybw.html#ixzz2GHf3mDVX
A political stunt.As if he wouldn,t tow the party line about porky pies even if he was headhonco.The irony of the above statement.
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Economy gets big tick
Date January 17, 2013 15
Peter Martin
Months after Labor's mining tax, its carbon tax and its fourth successive budget deficit, Australia has been given the tick of approval by the world's biggest fund manager.
BlackRock is one of the world's most important buyers of government bonds, investing $US3.7 trillion worldwide. It says Australia's carbon tax and the mining tax have had at most a "marginal" impact on perceptions of the country's risk. More important has been the government's success in shrinking its budget deficit.
The fund manager's new sovereign risk update ranks Australian government bonds as the world's seventh least risky, up from 10th least risky three months ago.
No other nation has managed to jump three places in the latest survey. The finding is at odds with a claim made by federal Coalition Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey last August that Labor was "adversely impacting Australia's sovereign risk profile".
BlackRock's Australian head of fixed income, Steve Miller, said Australia's position was "exceedingly strong" and strengthening.
"The plain fact is, compared to the rest of the world, and this is what we are doing, Australia's public debt position is very, very strong.
Whether you are looking at budget balance or public debt to gross domestic product, whichever way we look at it, Australia comes out exceedingly strong."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/economy-gets-big-tick-20130116-2ctw9.html#ixzz2IBmXQKLV
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/economy-gets-big-tick-20130116-2ctw9.html#ixzz2IBlQloU6
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Personally, rising unemployment and the rising cost of living is an even bigger tick – thank god the value of everyone's home is also plummeting :clapping
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Gillard just announced that the Federal Election will be held on September 14.
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So how long is the Campaign going to be?
Seven months? Holy crap.
Game on.
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7 months?
FFS!
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Mid September because she knows the Bulldogs won't make the finals :banghead
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:rollin
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Mid September because she knows the Bulldogs won't make the finals :banghead
Canterbury finished second last year. :help
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Mid September because she knows the Bulldogs won't make the finals :banghead
Canterbury finished second last year. :help
Stuff that bum hugging crap.
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There are some advantages to Julia's move
1. Makes a challenge to her as PM less likely
2. Puts pressure on the Libs to release policy costings
3. Makes her look more Prime Ministerial
and the one nobody seems to be talking about
4. Makes a challenge to Tony Abbott less likely
IMHO Turnbull would be a certainty to win an election
:cheers
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and the one nobody seems to be talking about
4. Makes a challenge to Tony Abbott less likely
Makes a challenge to both her and Abbott unlikely although the government wpn't be in caretaker mode until Gillard see the GG on Aug 12. Hawke overthrew Hayden prior to the 1983 election just two hours before Fraser went to the GG.
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For better or worse an Abbott government seems inevitable.
And a move to Rudd to minimise the damage is also on the cards.
:help
Voter support for Gillard and Labor plunges
SUPPORT for Julia Gillard and her government has slumped, wiping out most of the gains made since the carbon tax was introduced last year and raising the chances that she could be replaced by Kevin Rudd.
Tony Abbott now leads Ms Gillard as preferred prime minister for the first time in seven months, although Mr Rudd declared on Sunday that he would not be drafted into the Labor leadership.
His comments, however, preceded the release of the latest Age/Nielsen poll, which found the gap between Ms Gillard and the former prime minister has grown, with Mr Rudd favoured by 61 per cent of voters compared with 35 per cent for her.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/voter-support-for-gillard-and-labor-plunges-20130217-2ele0.html#ixzz2LBp6nwt8
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Labor party had their shot and stuffed it, now for the massacre.
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Labor party had their shot and stuffed it, now for the massacre.
Australia would nominally have a 'Labour' orientated culture but they always shoot themselves in the foot with incongruous policy and application.
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Labor party had their shot and stuffed it, now for the massacre.
Australia would nominally have a 'Labour' orientated culture but they always shoot themselves in the foot with incongruous policy and application.
That's governments of all persuasions. All pollies claim to have the answers until they get into power.
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Labor party had their shot and stuffed it, now for the massacre.
Australia would nominally have a 'Labour' orientated culture but they always shoot themselves in the foot with incongruous policy and application.
It is their insistence in singing "Solidarity forever" that gets up my goat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xtIRLKVcs
Time to break the Union shackles IMHO.
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Time to break the Union shackles IMHO.
:thumbsup
I think the unions would benefit if they rid themselves of the ALP too. You might get more genuine candidates rather than ALP careerists for the leadership roles. Vast amounts of workers money that is currently poured into Labor Party coffers could be better spent advancing the workers cause in other areas, or better still the money returned to them in the form of lower fees.
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they are both reptiles
tone likes to eat goldfish and julz likes mice
where is steve irwin when you need him
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I can't believe Turnbull was stupid enough to put his name to the Coalition's latest attempt at a broadband policy. What a dud! Yep Abbott knows what people will only need for future decades :stupid. The only ones that will be happy will be Telstra. They have an ageing copper asset that they'll now know an Abbott Government will need. Telstra would be equally stupid handing it over for free when they'll have an Abbott Government over a barrel. Then add the high maintenance costs for the ageing copper infrastructure. Typical short-sighted political policy that will cost us more in the long run than doing it properly in the first place ::).
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I hope all of their future policy announcements are as good as this one.
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I hope all of their future policy announcements are as good as this one.
:lol
At least Abbot wont bankrupt the country... your mob are taking us down the road to national soup kitchens. Latest crazy scheme high speed rail between melbourne and brisbane costing $114 billion lol. These people in Labor are utter nutters.
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I hope all of their future policy announcements are as good as this one.
:lol
At least Abbot wont bankrupt the country... your mob are taking us down the road to national soup kitchens. Latest crazy scheme high speed rail between melbourne and brisbane costing $114 billion lol. These people in Labor are utter nutters.
I'll be 97 years old when it is finished.
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I hope all of their future policy announcements are as good as this one.
:lol
At least Abbot wont bankrupt the country... your mob are taking us down the road to national soup kitchens. Latest crazy scheme high speed rail between melbourne and brisbane costing $114 billion lol. These people in Labor are utter nutters.
Well someone has to commit train travel Ramps
Tony has said the coalition doesn't fund rail they only fund roads. ;D
Great environmental policy right there ;D
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I can't believe Turnbull was stupid enough to put his name to the Coalition's latest attempt at a broadband policy. What a dud! Yep Abbott knows what people will only need for future decades :stupid. The only ones that will be happy will be Telstra. They have an ageing copper asset that they'll now know an Abbott Government will need. Telstra would be equally stupid handing it over for free when they'll have an Abbott Government over a barrel. Then add the high maintenance costs for the ageing copper infrastructure. Typical short-sighted political policy that will cost us more in the long run than doing it properly in the first place ::).
Under the coalition policy won't you be able to pay for Fibre from the Node to your house.
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Actually I going to give Tony Abbott a :clapping before giving him a :boxer
heard him on Gold104 yesterday morning ans he was asked about the car industry. Said he would if PM continue to support because he understands how importnat it is to the country. Went on to say he was down in Geelong and talking to locals who said to him Geelong would "die" without Ford, he said he understood their concerns then he asked a very interesting question of the locals "how many of you own a Ford?" Answer was None. Tone said rightly govt's can help but the commnunity needs to as well by buying the cars. For that i give him a :clapping
he stuffed up that positive by saying that if he was to give $$$ to the car industry he'd want a guarantee that no jobs would be lost, unlike the current govt who just gives the money away. Now please Tony don't treat us like morons. You and I both know that you cannot get such a guarantee, try and pull that stunt and the car makers will just shut down production, they hold the aces sir, not you. So for that you get a :boxer :facepalm, started well and then the foot went in the mouth
So folks never let it be said I dont' priase the twit :thumbsup
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the car industry is dead in Australia.
Why would anyone in Australia buy a Ford Falcon or a Holden Commodore for say $40,000 when you can buy a BMW or a Mercedes 250A or a VW Golf or a really nice european car for about the same price. Its not logical. Everyone (me included) would buy the badge. The only car industry we will have in Australia soon is the car dealerships. Unless of course Holden and Ford change strategy and they start selling smaller cars as a priority.
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I can't believe Turnbull was stupid enough to put his name to the Coalition's latest attempt at a broadband policy. What a dud! Yep Abbott knows what people will only need for future decades :stupid. The only ones that will be happy will be Telstra. They have an ageing copper asset that they'll now know an Abbott Government will need. Telstra would be equally stupid handing it over for free when they'll have an Abbott Government over a barrel. Then add the high maintenance costs for the ageing copper infrastructure. Typical short-sighted political policy that will cost us more in the long run than doing it properly in the first place ::).
Under the coalition policy won't you be able to pay for Fibre from the Node to your house.
Yep ...... at a cost of $4000-$5000 and if you move house you'll need to pay for it again to connect to the new place. So the vast majority of the population will be relying on aging old school copper infrastructure that will be increasingly costly to maintain (which we'll be forced to pay for via our taxes) and won't be upgradeable when higher speeds are required as the decades progress. It's a dud policy that will cost us more in the long run.
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the car industry is dead in Australia.
Why would anyone in Australia buy a Ford Falcon or a Holden Commodore for say $40,000 when you can buy a BMW or a Mercedes 250A or a VW Golf or a really nice european car for about the same price. Its not logical. Everyone (me included) would buy the badge. The only car industry we will have in Australia soon is the car dealerships. Unless of course Holden and Ford change strategy and they start selling smaller cars as a priority.
Understand what you are saying Ramps, it's an argument we have in our household often, why pay $40k for a local car when you can get in import a lot cheaper?
But the reality is no Govt and it doesn't which political side we are talking about will allow our car industry to fold. No of them, they simply cannot afford too and they none of them want to be the "one" who killed it off. And the car companies know it
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the car industry is dead in Australia.
Why would anyone in Australia buy a Ford Falcon or a Holden Commodore for say $40,000 when you can buy a BMW or a Mercedes 250A or a VW Golf or a really nice european car for about the same price. Its not logical. Everyone (me included) would buy the badge. The only car industry we will have in Australia soon is the car dealerships. Unless of course Holden and Ford change strategy and they start selling smaller cars as a priority.
Understand what you are saying Ramps, it's an argument we have in our household often, why pay $40k for a local car when you can get in import a lot cheaper?
But the reality is no Govt and it doesn't which political side we are talking about will allow our car industry to fold. No of them, they simply cannot afford too and they none of them want to be the "one" who killed it off. And the car companies know it
Agree the political cost is too high but these car companies always call for more taxpayer assistance. How about they get that assistance but they also have to start producing smaller stylish cars that can compete with their european rivals.
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Since when does a new Commodore or Falcon cost $40k? :lol :lol A new XR6 isn't even that. Can drive away a new Falcon for under $35k.
They do produce smaller, stylish cars. They can stick those cars though. I love bigger and roomier cars, and my late model Ford G6 ($39k new for entry model, $3-5k more for E and turbo versions) looks just as good and has just as many, if not more luxury features than those wanky Euro imports. Support local and keep the jobs local. Not to mention the money you will save on parts and servicing.
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Since when does a new Commodore or Falcon cost $40k? :lol :lol A new XR6 isn't even that. Can drive away a new Falcon for under $35k.
They do produce smaller, stylish cars. They can stick those cars though. I love bigger and roomier cars, and my late model Ford G6 ($39k new for entry model, $3-5k more for E and turbo versions) looks just as good and has just as many, if not more luxury features than those wanky Euro imports. Support local and keep the jobs local. Not to mention the money you will save on parts and servicing.
just checked the Ford web-site and it is saying the starting price for the latest Ford Falcon entry model is $44,015 drive away, ditto the Territory. Holden web-site saying a Commodore Omega is $44,021 drive away
But understand your point dwaino, we have 2 cars. One of them is Falcon Xr6 and it's a fantastic car on all levels and we got it a special price which was about $8-9K less than it's normal price. With Ford just to need to keep an eye for their special offers and you can pick up a bargain
And BTW Ramps, Holden already builds a small car in Aust - the Cruze, the govt funded the cost to make the necessary adjustments to their assembly line to make it happen
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Well, well, well.
:lol
One Nation co-founder sues Abbott for $1.5m
Tony Abbott is being sued over his role in attacking the One Nation party. (AAP: Lukas Coch)
Legal papers have been served on Opposition Leader Tony Abbott by the co-founder of the now-defunct One Nation party.
David Ettridge is suing for $1.5 million, accusing Mr Abbott of acting unlawfully in 1998 by assisting and encouraging litigation against One Nation that led to the party being deregistered.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-16/one-nation-founder-sues-abbott/4633398
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http://wap.myfoxboston.com/w/main/story/89446783/#ixzz2QdbUfrar
Plane brought back to gate at Logan Airport
Apr 16, 2013 8:26 a.m.
BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) - Sources told FOX 25 there was an American Airlines flight that was headed to Chicago. There were two men on that plane - not sitting next to each other - and speaking Arabic.
There were some concerned marathoners on the flight so the plane was brought back to the gate and the two men were escorted off the plane.
No other details were immediately available.
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Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable
It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again
They are going to cop the mother if all hidings
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Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable
It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again
They are going to cop the mother if all hidings
Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.
Labor will fight on the following issues:
1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding
2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.
The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.
:cheers
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Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable
It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again
They are going to cop the mother if all hidings
Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.
Labor will fight on the following issues:
1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding
2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.
The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.
:cheers
And how will Swan pay for all these projects. People understand that we can't keep borrowing forever.
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Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable
It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again
They are going to cop the mother if all hidings
Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.
Labor will fight on the following issues:
1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding
2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.
The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.
:cheers
65 whether its a month to go or a year to go. the ALP are finished for many years to come.
You probably know more than me but it seems they will lose and lose big. Labour voters i speak with have all jumped ship, regardless of abbott.
NBN is that even an argument? Just asking because IMO its the biggest waste of money ive ever seen, second only to the desal plant, which i understand was a state thing.
Faster speeds. hehe come to my place lightning quick or go old my old mans holiday house, very quick over there.
How about my 94 year old grandma, yep NBN will do wonders for her.
i dont even think we even know the the truth about what the actual cost is on this project. One thing is for sure we will all be paying for it for many years to come.
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When Rudd and Gillard took over from the Howard Government Australia had no public debt whatsoever and money in the bank. In 5 years the ALP have almost bankrupted Australia in almost exactly the same way that the socialists bankrupted Greece. It took the socialists in Greece 30 years to bank Greece (they were in government for pretty much 75% of the time) Its taken the ALP just 5 years (and they did it whilst Australia was the beneficiary of a massive mining boom)
Its an absolute disgrace what Federal Labor have done to this country. We will all be paying for their stupidity over the next 10 and 20 years. Higher taxes probably an expansion of the GST (which will hit the poorest people the most), less money on Education and Health, its just a disgrace. They should hold their heads in shame the Labor Party should. Its been a shameful period of government in this country.
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Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable
It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again
They are going to cop the mother if all hidings
Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.
Labor will fight on the following issues:
1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding
2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.
The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.
:cheers
65 whether its a month to go or a year to go. the ALP are finished for many years to come.
You probably know more than me but it seems they will lose and lose big. Labour voters i speak with have all jumped ship, regardless of abbott.
NBN is that even an argument? Just asking because IMO its the biggest waste of money ive ever seen, second only to the desal plant, which i understand was a state thing.
Faster speeds. hehe come to my place lightning quick or go old my old mans holiday house, very quick over there.
How about my 94 year old grandma, yep NBN will do wonders for her.
i dont even think we even know the the truth about what the actual cost is on this project. One thing is for sure we will all be paying for it for many years to come.
Does your 94 year old gran use a land line?
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Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable
It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again
They are going to cop the mother if all hidings
Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.
Labor will fight on the following issues:
1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding
2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.
The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.
:cheers
65 whether its a month to go or a year to go. the ALP are finished for many years to come.
You probably know more than me but it seems they will lose and lose big. Labour voters i speak with have all jumped ship, regardless of abbott.
NBN is that even an argument? Just asking because IMO its the biggest waste of money ive ever seen, second only to the desal plant, which i understand was a state thing.
Faster speeds. hehe come to my place lightning quick or go old my old mans holiday house, very quick over there.
How about my 94 year old grandma, yep NBN will do wonders for her.
i dont even think we even know the the truth about what the actual cost is on this project. One thing is for sure we will all be paying for it for many years to come.
Does your 94 year old gran use a land line?
yep damm straight. She also has 3 mobile phones as part of telco deal.
1 for local
1 for Interstate
1 for International.
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Well can you make sure she uses her mobiles when she calls you for your birthday so she doesn't interfere with the copper lines when we'll be paying for the fibre to the node.
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Voting for Tony will come at a cost.
Abbott, not Gillard, is the true 'class warrior'
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2Rn9wlfIQ
Is Prime Minister Julia Gillard engaging in ''class warfare'' in a desperate bid to save her political skin? A recent
Galaxy poll found most middle-income earners think she is. So, that settles it, right? Well, not really.
As with most things in politics, the reality is more complicated...
...What is surprising is the extent to which Coalition policies will result in a significant redistribution of wealth upwards rather than downwards. Consider the following Coalition policies:
■ Lower the tax-free threshold from $18,200 to $6000. This will drag more than one million low-income earners back into the tax system. It will also increase the taxes for 6 million Australians earning less than $80,000.
■ Abolish the low-income superannuation contribution. This will reimpose a 15 per cent tax on superannuation contributions for people earning less than $37,000.
■ Abolish the proposed 15 per cent tax on income from superannuation above $100,000 a year. The combined effect of these two superannuation changes is that 16,000 high-income earners with superannuation savings in excess of $2 million will get a tax cut while 3.6 million workers earning less than $37,000 will pay more than $4 billion extra in tax on their super over the next four years.
■ Abolish the means test on the private health insurance rebate. This will deliver a $2.4 billion tax cut over three years for individuals earning over $84,001 a year, or couples earning over $168,001. People on lower incomes will receive no benefit.
■ Introduce a paid parental leave scheme that replaces a mother's salary up to $150,000. To put it crudely, this means a low-income mum gets about $600 per week while a high-income mum gets close to $3000.
■ Abolish the means-tested Schoolkids Bonus that benefits 1.3 million families by providing up to $410 for each primary school child and up to $820 for each high school child.
These policies will result in low- and middle-income earners paying billions of dollars more in tax while those on higher incomes receive billions in tax cuts and new benefits. Rather than take from the rich and give to the poor, the Coalition policies are a case of take from the poor and give to the rich.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2Rn9avXCW
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People stopped listening to Gillard years ago 65. No one cares. Even the internal Labor Polling in Victoria is showing a landslide to the opposition. Labor had a chance to save itself by ditching Gillard and they decided not too. Now they will pay the price.
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and so will we all when the right wing reverse robin hood policies kick in.
hopefully they go the whole hog and rid the country of money draining medicare and pbs schemes
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Can we say that the traditional left/right divide has or is quickly disappearing,to be replaced by a more personality orientation?
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So the witch declares the Medicare levy increase will form part of her election policies for us to vote on.
Just when we thought it would be a landslide she just keeps digging her own grave further and further. Higher taxes for hardworking Australians to fund her parties wasteful spending. Good luck getting extra votes.
Labour Party are finished. With any luck they are disgraced on the same day as the EFC as they both deserve each other.
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Daniel
Do you really think Abbott will be any better.
Read below and add the fact that he is planning to do away with penalty rates.
:cheers
Voting for Tony will come at a cost.
Abbott, not Gillard, is the true 'class warrior'
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2Rn9wlfIQ
Is Prime Minister Julia Gillard engaging in ''class warfare'' in a desperate bid to save her political skin? A recent
Galaxy poll found most middle-income earners think she is. So, that settles it, right? Well, not really.
As with most things in politics, the reality is more complicated...
...What is surprising is the extent to which Coalition policies will result in a significant redistribution of wealth upwards rather than downwards. Consider the following Coalition policies:
■ Lower the tax-free threshold from $18,200 to $6000. This will drag more than one million low-income earners back into the tax system. It will also increase the taxes for 6 million Australians earning less than $80,000.
■ Abolish the low-income superannuation contribution. This will reimpose a 15 per cent tax on superannuation contributions for people earning less than $37,000.
■ Abolish the proposed 15 per cent tax on income from superannuation above $100,000 a year. The combined effect of these two superannuation changes is that 16,000 high-income earners with superannuation savings in excess of $2 million will get a tax cut while 3.6 million workers earning less than $37,000 will pay more than $4 billion extra in tax on their super over the next four years.
■ Abolish the means test on the private health insurance rebate. This will deliver a $2.4 billion tax cut over three years for individuals earning over $84,001 a year, or couples earning over $168,001. People on lower incomes will receive no benefit.
■ Introduce a paid parental leave scheme that replaces a mother's salary up to $150,000. To put it crudely, this means a low-income mum gets about $600 per week while a high-income mum gets close to $3000.
■ Abolish the means-tested Schoolkids Bonus that benefits 1.3 million families by providing up to $410 for each primary school child and up to $820 for each high school child.
These policies will result in low- and middle-income earners paying billions of dollars more in tax while those on higher incomes receive billions in tax cuts and new benefits. Rather than take from the rich and give to the poor, the Coalition policies are a case of take from the poor and give to the rich.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2Rn9avXCW
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Daniel
Do you really think Abbott will be any better.
Read below and add the fact that he is planning to do away with penalty rates.
:cheers
Voting for Tony will come at a cost.
Abbott, not Gillard, is the true 'class warrior'
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2Rn9wlfIQ
Is Prime Minister Julia Gillard engaging in ''class warfare'' in a desperate bid to save her political skin? A recent
Galaxy poll found most middle-income earners think she is. So, that settles it, right? Well, not really.
As with most things in politics, the reality is more complicated...
...What is surprising is the extent to which Coalition policies will result in a significant redistribution of wealth upwards rather than downwards. Consider the following Coalition policies:
■ Lower the tax-free threshold from $18,200 to $6000. This will drag more than one million low-income earners back into the tax system. It will also increase the taxes for 6 million Australians earning less than $80,000.
■ Abolish the low-income superannuation contribution. This will reimpose a 15 per cent tax on superannuation contributions for people earning less than $37,000.
■ Abolish the proposed 15 per cent tax on income from superannuation above $100,000 a year. The combined effect of these two superannuation changes is that 16,000 high-income earners with superannuation savings in excess of $2 million will get a tax cut while 3.6 million workers earning less than $37,000 will pay more than $4 billion extra in tax on their super over the next four years.
■ Abolish the means test on the private health insurance rebate. This will deliver a $2.4 billion tax cut over three years for individuals earning over $84,001 a year, or couples earning over $168,001. People on lower incomes will receive no benefit.
■ Introduce a paid parental leave scheme that replaces a mother's salary up to $150,000. To put it crudely, this means a low-income mum gets about $600 per week while a high-income mum gets close to $3000.
■ Abolish the means-tested Schoolkids Bonus that benefits 1.3 million families by providing up to $410 for each primary school child and up to $820 for each high school child.
These policies will result in low- and middle-income earners paying billions of dollars more in tax while those on higher incomes receive billions in tax cuts and new benefits. Rather than take from the rich and give to the poor, the Coalition policies are a case of take from the poor and give to the rich.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2Rn9avXCW
Yes i do 65, even i could do a better job than the ALP.
I cant see most of things happening to be honest. Perhaps the end or a significant reduction in the baby bonus
Tax free threshold was just changed so cant see that going back to $6k. Stop clutching at straws mate lets deal with the facts.
If Abbott does raise taxes through GST or other means, its because of the wasteful spending of the ALP and the former Rudd government in 08/09. The money has to come from somewhere to pay for it and guess whose pockets will be affected. Normal every day Australian's that's where.
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Daniel
Do you really think Abbott will be any better.
Read below and add the fact that he is planning to do away with penalty rates.
:cheers
Voting for Tony will come at a cost.
Abbott, not Gillard, is the true 'class warrior'
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2Rn9wlfIQ
Is Prime Minister Julia Gillard engaging in ''class warfare'' in a desperate bid to save her political skin? A recent
Galaxy poll found most middle-income earners think she is. So, that settles it, right? Well, not really.
As with most things in politics, the reality is more complicated...
...What is surprising is the extent to which Coalition policies will result in a significant redistribution of wealth upwards rather than downwards. Consider the following Coalition policies:
■ Lower the tax-free threshold from $18,200 to $6000. This will drag more than one million low-income earners back into the tax system. It will also increase the taxes for 6 million Australians earning less than $80,000.
■ Abolish the low-income superannuation contribution. This will reimpose a 15 per cent tax on superannuation contributions for people earning less than $37,000.
■ Abolish the proposed 15 per cent tax on income from superannuation above $100,000 a year. The combined effect of these two superannuation changes is that 16,000 high-income earners with superannuation savings in excess of $2 million will get a tax cut while 3.6 million workers earning less than $37,000 will pay more than $4 billion extra in tax on their super over the next four years.
■ Abolish the means test on the private health insurance rebate. This will deliver a $2.4 billion tax cut over three years for individuals earning over $84,001 a year, or couples earning over $168,001. People on lower incomes will receive no benefit.
■ Introduce a paid parental leave scheme that replaces a mother's salary up to $150,000. To put it crudely, this means a low-income mum gets about $600 per week while a high-income mum gets close to $3000.
■ Abolish the means-tested Schoolkids Bonus that benefits 1.3 million families by providing up to $410 for each primary school child and up to $820 for each high school child.
These policies will result in low- and middle-income earners paying billions of dollars more in tax while those on higher incomes receive billions in tax cuts and new benefits. Rather than take from the rich and give to the poor, the Coalition policies are a case of take from the poor and give to the rich.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-not-gillard-is-the-true-class-warrior-20130428-2imis.html#ixzz2Rn9avXCW
There's an unbiased source of reporting - The Age. :lol
Second only to The Courier Mail as a sycophantic Labor propaganda machine. :lol
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So the witch declares the Medicare levy increase will form part of her election policies for us to vote on.
Just when we thought it would be a landslide she just keeps digging her own grave further and further. Higher taxes for hardworking Australians to fund her parties wasteful spending. Good luck getting extra votes.
Labour Party are finished. With any luck they are disgraced on the same day as the EFC as they both deserve each other.
The Medicare Levy is being increased to fund the NDIS = National Disability Insurance Scheme. Do you know what it is? What its purpose is? The NDIS is not wasteful spending :banghead :banghead
Do you have a problem with helping those who are some of our most vunerable? The disabled? Those folks that are so often forgotten
Higher taxes - please give me a break for someone of $60k it is leas than a $1.00 a day. For me it will be a lot more and quite frankly I don't give a stuff because the NDIS is just so important.
Perhaps if both sides of poilitics had the GUTS to abolish some of the middle class welfare that gets splashed around then there wouldn't be a need to increase levies to fund these things. It is the middle class welfare system that we we cannot afford but not one political party will remove it. Welfare should only be for those who geniunely need it.
Said it before will say it again, welfare, govt payments call them what you will are not a right, pity people don't realsie it.
Daniel: For memory you have children and you sooked about the reduction in the baby bonus a while back. Can only imagine what you'd be like if that, family allowances and education rebates were abolished. You'd be saying you are hard done by.
Well guess what the disabled and their carers in this country have had it tough for a bloody long time and deserve this scheme. And if funding means I am out of pocket a couple of buck a week then so be it.
And what are you going to say when the Coalition reverse the tax cuts that can in last year that benefitted hardworking low income Australians? Or doesn't that matter?
Really believe people don't know how lucky we are in this country and good we've got it
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DisabilityCare is the only policy that this disgraceful government can be proud of. I actually support DisabilityCare because people with disabilities have been treated like s.iht for decades in this country.
In this country failed able-bodied politicians of all sides, able-bodies public bureaucrats who wouldnt know if their backsides are on fire and corporate leaders going from small business right through to the biggest companies in the land make decisions about people with disabilities or with problems every day.
These able-bodied 'do-gooders' who I may add earn the high salaries in this country have created a society where 95% of able-bodied people have nice cushy jobs and 70% of people with disabilities are on unemployment or disability pensions. Most I believe are on or below the poverty line. These politicians, bureaucrats and corporate leaders should be ashamed of themselves IMHO. They have systematically destroyed the hopes and aspirations of people with disabilities over decades and the sad part is they think they do a good job. IMHODisability Policy in Australia has been nothing more than a shameful National Disgrace.
Whilst these abled bodied decision makers pandered to greenies, homosexuals and others who chose their causes, they decided to stick the knives into people who often had no choice about living with disability.
So I support the policy. Its the only decent policy Gillard has ever come up with and Im happy to contribute towards it being implemented.
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Gillard already playing politics on the NDIS by using it as a political campaign for her election.
TONY Abbott has challenged Julia Gillard to legislate her national disability insurance scheme before this year's election, after the Prime Minister declared she would go to the poll arguing for a 0.5 per cent income tax hike to help pay for the scheme.
He said he wanted to see an NDIS legislated in this parliament, and if the government came up with a “responsibly-funded” proposal, he would vote for it.
“My hope, and I'm sure the hope of the millions of Australians who want to see a national disability insurance scheme introduced as soon as possible, is that the Prime Minister will put the legislation into this parliament,” Mr Abbott.
“If she thinks she knows what she wants, let's get the legislation in the parliament and I am very happy to deal with it in the four weeks after the budget.”
The challenge is a clear attempt to draw out the Prime Minister on exactly how she will fund the full NDIS, which Mr Abbott is committed to introducing if he wins the election.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/julia-gillard-plans-to-put-ndis-funding-plan-to-voters-but-tony-abbott-says-lets-do-it-now/story-fn59nsif-1226633101967
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So the witch declares the Medicare levy increase will form part of her election policies for us to vote on.
Just when we thought it would be a landslide she just keeps digging her own grave further and further. Higher taxes for hardworking Australians to fund her parties wasteful spending. Good luck getting extra votes.
Labour Party are finished. With any luck they are disgraced on the same day as the EFC as they both deserve each other.
The Medicare Levy is being increased to fund the NDIS = National Disability Insurance Scheme. Do you know what it is? What its purpose is? The NDIS is not wasteful spending :banghead :banghead
Do you have a problem with helping those who are some of our most vunerable? The disabled? Those folks that are so often forgotten
Higher taxes - please give me a break for someone of $60k it is leas than a $1.00 a week. For me it will be a lot more and quite frankly I don't give a stuff because the NDIS is just so important.
Perhaps if both sides of poilitics had the GUTS to abolish some of the middle class welfare that gets splashed around then there wouldn't be a need to increase levies to fund these things. It is the middle class welfare system that we we cannot afford but not one political party will remove it. Welfare should only be for those who geniunely need it.
Said it before will say it again, welfare, govt payments call them what you will are not a right, pity people don't realsie it.
Daniel: For memory you have children and you sooked about the reduction in the baby bonus a while back. Can only imagine what you'd be like if that, family allowances and education rebates were abolished. You'd be saying you are hard done by.
Well guess what the disabled and their carers in this country have had it tough for a bloody long time and deserve this scheme. And if funding means I am out of pocket a couple of buck a week then so be it.
And what are you going to say when the Coalition reverse the tax cuts that can in last year that benefitted hardworking low income Australians? Or doesn't that matter?
Really believe people don't know how lucky we are in this country and good we've got it
WP maybe if you read my comments i referred to wasteful spending of the Rudd era and now Gillard government. Insullation, clunkers scheme, NBN. Perhaps i shoud've been more specific.
She says the increase in medicare levy will fund the disability scheme. Well my point is if the ALP didn't waste money on all these failed projects then she wouldn't need to ask us to fund the project.
This may yet be a good project, but what i dont like paying for is things that this incompetent government should be, but cant as they have no money left in the coffers.
Did i sook about the baby bonus? Uum if i did and thats a big if, maybe i didn't understand that the scheme actually gives more to families
The paid parental(if you know what that is) actually gives more money to families than the actual baby bonus. This is what i received for my first child, not the baby bonus
I did not receive anything the second time around but did i complain. No.
To answer your last point if they reversed the tax cuts i will point the finger squarely at the Gillard/Rudd government as it really left the Libs with no choice but to fix up this hole we now find ourselves in.
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WP maybe if you read my comments i referred to wasteful spending of the Rudd era and now Gillard government. Insullation, clunkers scheme, NBN. Perhaps i shoud've been more specific.
Yep you should have been because you said:
"Higher taxes for hardworking Australians to fund her parties wasteful spending."
You implied that the increase in the medicare levy was to fund another project in the wasteful spending category
I was only pointing out this increase is to fund the NDIS. And IMVHO no one should be complaining about it
She says the increase in medicare levy will fund the disability scheme. Well my point is if the ALP didn't waste money on all these failed projects then she wouldn't need to ask us to fund the project.
This may yet be a good project, but what i dont like paying for is things that this incompetent government should be, but cant as they have no money left in the coffers.
So does your objection to "wasteful" spending only apply to this government or all governments? All governments bring in stupid projects. And when it is all said and done we the tax payer fund every bloody thing
As a taxpayer I object to funding the stupid baby bonus that gets rorted by so many people it's not funny, while the elderly receive pensions that are insulting. But because i am in the minority my objections don't matter as much it would seem
Did i sook about the baby bonus? Uum if i did and thats a big if, maybe i didn't understand that the scheme actually gives more to families
The paid parental(if you know what that is) actually gives more money to families than the actual baby bonus. This is what i received for my first child, not the baby bonus
I did not receive anything the second time around but did i complain. No.
You complained about the govt introducing means testing for the baby bonus just before your first little one came along. Think you also might have mentioned how expensive it was having a bub was and the baby bonus would help. My counter argument to that was and still is if you can't afford to have bubs folks shouldn't have them
Actually go back to the early pages of thisd thread and you complained about having to pay a levy to assist with the rebuild of Qld etc after the floods
Yes I do know what paid parental leave. For memory it was introduced by the current govt, another of their stupid projects I suppose ;D
To answer your last point if they reversed the tax cuts i will point the finger squarely at the Gillard/Rudd government as it really left the Libs with no choice but to fix up this hole we now find ourselves in.
Absoulet crap.
Tony and Joe harp on about caring about working families. If they really care about the increased costs of living they wont touch the income tax rates.
Gillard already playing politics on the NDIS by using it as a political campaign for her election.
TONY Abbott has challenged Julia Gillard to legislate her national disability insurance scheme before this year's election, after the Prime Minister declared she would go to the poll arguing for a 0.5 per cent income tax hike to help pay for the scheme.
He said he wanted to see an NDIS legislated in this parliament, and if the government came up with a “responsibly-funded” proposal, he would vote for it.
“My hope, and I'm sure the hope of the millions of Australians who want to see a national disability insurance scheme introduced as soon as possible, is that the Prime Minister will put the legislation into this parliament,” Mr Abbott.
“If she thinks she knows what she wants, let's get the legislation in the parliament and I am very happy to deal with it in the four weeks after the budget.”
The challenge is a clear attempt to draw out the Prime Minister on exactly how she will fund the full NDIS, which Mr Abbott is committed to introducing if he wins the election.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/julia-gillard-plans-to-put-ndis-funding-plan-to-voters-but-tony-abbott-says-lets-do-it-now/story-fn59nsif-1226633101967
Would say going by that article so is Tony Abbott
How will Tony & Joe fund it? Oh thats right by abolishing the income tax cuts for low income earners that canme in last July ;D
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Gillard already playing politics on the NDIS by using it as a political campaign for her election.
TONY Abbott has challenged Julia Gillard to legislate her national disability insurance scheme before this year's election, after the Prime Minister declared she would go to the poll arguing for a 0.5 per cent income tax hike to help pay for the scheme.
He said he wanted to see an NDIS legislated in this parliament, and if the government came up with a “responsibly-funded” proposal, he would vote for it.
“My hope, and I'm sure the hope of the millions of Australians who want to see a national disability insurance scheme introduced as soon as possible, is that the Prime Minister will put the legislation into this parliament,” Mr Abbott.
“If she thinks she knows what she wants, let's get the legislation in the parliament and I am very happy to deal with it in the four weeks after the budget.”
The challenge is a clear attempt to draw out the Prime Minister on exactly how she will fund the full NDIS, which Mr Abbott is committed to introducing if he wins the election.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/julia-gillard-plans-to-put-ndis-funding-plan-to-voters-but-tony-abbott-says-lets-do-it-now/story-fn59nsif-1226633101967
Would say going by that article so is Tony Abbott
How will Tony & Joe fund it? Oh thats right by abolishing the income tax cuts for low income earners that canme in last July ;D
Windsor, Oakeshott and The Green's have already voiced support for the levy so it will pass but yet Gillard hold of and play the NDIS card for her election campaign instead of at least getting part of the funding legislation passed. The income tax changes was due to the carbon tax which revenue is unsustainable once it links up to the EU. This government has crewed the budget for the next decade real cuts and tax bracket changes are going to be needed to get the budget back in shape.
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. The income tax changes was due to the carbon tax which revenue is unsustainable once it links up to the EU. This government has crewed the budget for the next decade real cuts and tax bracket changes are going to be needed to get the budget back in shape.
Know why the tax cuts were bought in
But the reality is they are part of people's lives now, you don't take it away. Folks ( you know those low income earners that all the pollies say they care about) need them.
Do you honestly think that if Tone repeals the carbon tax that it's going to make one shred of difference to electricity prices? Answer is Nope
Cut back some of our over the top unneccesary middle class welfare and thats will get the budget back into shape ;)
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Cut back some of our over the top unneccesary middle class welfare and thats will get the budget back into shape ;)
WP, you keep talking about middle class welfare.
Can you give us some of examples of where you would cut?
:cheers
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I dont know what WP would do, I think the measures require a more broader view for me:
Government should stop negative gearing on Property
Government should cut 50% from the International Aid Budget
Government should increase company tax to 35% and ditch the Resources Rent Tax and the Carbon Tax
Government should increase the GST to 15% and put it on everything
Government should lower the income tax threshold levels so more people pay more
Government should increase Medicare Levy to 3%
Federal Government should try and get rid of State Governments and State Bureaucracies leaving on Federal & Local Governments to run the show.
The only people of Disability Support Pensions should be people who were born with serious Disabilities everyone else should be on the dole.
Everyone should only have the ability to have up to 3 years in total on the dole during your working life. When you go over the 3 years (you are indeed a BLUDGER) then your payments should be cut by 50%
Only People with serious illness should get access to PBS Medications. Things like Blood Pressure tablets etc. people should be made to pay for in full.
And a myriad of other stuff that can be done to fix the mess the ALP have put the country in.
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The NDIS is the best thing any Govt has done in the past 20yrs. :clapping :clapping
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. The income tax changes was due to the carbon tax which revenue is unsustainable once it links up to the EU. This government has crewed the budget for the next decade real cuts and tax bracket changes are going to be needed to get the budget back in shape.
Know why the tax cuts were bought in
But the reality is they are part of people's lives now, you don't take it away.
You can say the same argument over welfare payments being part of peoples lives. Tax brackets and welfare payments will both need to be addressed because the carbon tax and the compensation which went along with it which includes tax cuts have put the budget in a unsustainable position due to the price/revenue going to fall once its linked in with the EU.
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Phew, glad some of the people on here aren't running the country... ;D
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Cut back some of our over the top unneccesary middle class welfare and thats will get the budget back into shape ;)
WP, you keep talking about middle class welfare.
Can you give us some of examples of where you would cut?
:cheers
Obviously firstly I get rid of the baby bonus.
I would then look at every single govt hand out that is currentlyy available and evaluate what is neccesary and what isn't.
Obviously I wouldn't touch the Age pension, I'd increase it to be equal to the weekly minimum wage.
I wouldn't touch disability pension either. Can't agree with Ramps' suggestion that only those born with a disability should get a disability pension. What about those who become physically disabled after and accident? They deserve better than the dole
I would means for test evey single benefit, rebate. Only allowing those on very low incomes assistance. Giving family benefits to people earning over say $100k is a joke IMO
I'd up the pressure on working for the dole. One the best things ever introduced is working fo the dole
In essence what I am saying is welfare should only be for those need it not those who don't. Sick to death of people sooking about how tough things are on the family budget but you see the very same sooks lining up to feed their famiy at Maccas or KFC
The NDIS is the best thing any Govt has done in the past 20yrs. :clapping :clapping
:bow :bow
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There are far too many people on the Disability Pension. Are there really 825,000 people in this country that cannot contribute in society in paid employment. This represents around 8-10% of the adult working population. The bill, which runs into the tens of billions, is very high.
I would agree with a clampdown on the Disability Pension, and the Sole Parent Pension, and any other pension IF, and it is a big IF, there was a suitable plan in place to assist these people. By that I mean education and jobs. But what is really happening in Australia?
-The TAFE sector has been torn to shreds. Labour market programs are being wound back.
-Universities are being stripped of hundreds of millions
-More layoffs in the car industry
-The child care sector is literally in decay
-More public service cutbacks
-You can't even get a job as a farmhand in Shepparton this season- the farmers are ripping out all of their trees
How are pensioners supposed to get back into employment under those circumstances?
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Back in the old days those with disabilities would be taken out into the snow and left there to die.
Nowadays we are a rich just country who can afford to look after our sick and disabled.
It is part of what makes us a civilised society.
:cheers
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The NDIS is the best thing any Govt has done in the past 20yrs. :clapping :clapping
Credit to Tony Abbott for saying he will support the increase in the medicare levy to fund this crucial scheme. :clapping :clapping
Don't agree with him putting other conditions on his support of it, but kudos for backing increase
let's get this thing done, put party politics aside and get it bloody well done
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The NDIS is the best thing any Govt has done in the past 20yrs. :clapping :clapping
Credit to Tony Abbott for saying he will support the increase in the medicare levy to fund this crucial scheme. :clapping :clapping
Don't agree with him putting other conditions on his support of it, but kudos for backing increase
let's get this thing done, put party politics aside and get it bloody well done
In typical Abbott fashion he says one thing and then to another audience he says something different. On 3aw before midday he said he wants to set up a committee to discuss the NDIS funding because the levy doesn't cover most of the cost of the NDIS but if there is a levy he'll support it but he'll scrap it when the budget is stronger. As if any Government will abolish this increase in the medicare levy in the future :nope. Yep Tony, just what we need more of from Governments of any persuasion - another committee = more talking and more paper-pushing = delayed or no action ::).
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The NDIS is the best thing any Govt has done in the past 20yrs. :clapping :clapping
Credit to Tony Abbott for saying he will support the increase in the medicare levy to fund this crucial scheme. :clapping :clapping
Don't agree with him putting other conditions on his support of it, but kudos for backing increase
let's get this thing done, put party politics aside and get it bloody well done
Looks like what the Age was reporting was incorrect and I have gone to early with my praise
:banghead :banghead
Stop playing politics everyone and gets thing done FFS :banghead :banghead
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The NDIS is the best thing any Govt has done in the past 20yrs. :clapping :clapping
Credit to Tony Abbott for saying he will support the increase in the medicare levy to fund this crucial scheme. :clapping :clapping
Don't agree with him putting other conditions on his support of it, but kudos for backing increase
let's get this thing done, put party politics aside and get it bloody well done
Looks like what the Age was reporting was incorrect and I have gone to early with my praise
:banghead :banghead
Stop playing politics everyone and gets thing done FFS :banghead :banghead
If this doesn't happen before the election its all Gillard's fault. The independents and The Greens has voiced support for the levy so it can pass even without the liberals support in voting for it. She should put it up for a vote in parliament instead of playing wedge politics through the media.
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If this doesn't happen before the election its all Gillard's fault. The independents and The Greens has voiced support for the levy so it can pass even without the liberals support in voting for it. She should put it up for a vote in parliament instead of playing wedge politics through the media.
rubbish!
Getting Abbott to commit before the election is the only way of maximising the chance that he will keep it after the election.
It is not about politics it is about a policy that we need to do.
:cheers
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whats the point of putting something through parliment if it may be repealed in 6 months time?
It's up to Mr Rabbit and his looney mates to come out now and say yay or nay.
the ball is in their court.
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whats the point of putting something through parliment if it may be repealed in 6 months time?
It's up to Mr Rabbit and his looney mates to come out now and say yay or nay.
the ball is in their court.
The greens and ALP will block the repeal of the levy in the senate. Also given the shape of the budget I doubt Abbott will repeal this levy.
At the end of the day I believe the liberals will vote in support of the levy they have nothing to gain out of voting against it.
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If this doesn't happen before the election its all Gillard's fault. The independents and The Greens has voiced support for the levy so it can pass even without the liberals support in voting for it. She should put it up for a vote in parliament instead of playing wedge politics through the media.
rubbish!
Getting Abbott to commit before the election is the only way of maximising the chance that he will keep it after the election.
It is not about politics it is about a policy that we need to do.
:cheers
Abbott and the liberals support the policy. This is about how they will fund it. They either fund part of it through Gillard's policy of raising the medicare levy or they find the full funding through general revenue which will mean more cuts in other spending area's.
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The greens and ALP will block the repeal of the levy in the senate. Also given the shape of the budget I doubt Abbott will repeal this levy.
At the end of the day I believe the liberals will vote in support of the levy they have nothing to gain out of voting against it.
Another justification for calling a double dissolution.
Which is Tony's real aim in all of this.
:cheers
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whats the point of putting something through parliment if it may be repealed in 6 months time?
It's up to Mr Rabbit and his looney mates to come out now and say yay or nay.
the ball is in their court.
The greens and ALP will block the repeal of the levy in the senate. Also given the shape of the budget I doubt Abbott will repeal this levy.
At the end of the day I believe the liberals will vote in support of the levy they have nothing to gain out of voting against it.
thats if they still have the numbers after the election.
if they are going to vote for just come and say it and get on with it, FFS.
Thats the problem with these turds, they just want to constantly throw a spanner in the works.
even when they were in power all Hockey did was tell us how bad the opposition was rather doing his job in governing the country.
65, i dont think abbot wants a double dissolution after the next election.
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thats if they still have the numbers after the election.
if they are going to vote for just come and say it and get on with it, FFS.
Thats the problem with these turds, they just want to constantly throw a spanner in the works.
even when they were in power all Hockey did was tell us how bad the opposition was rather doing his job in governing the country.
65, i dont think abbot wants a double dissolution after the next election.
He will not get control of the Senate as it is only a half Senate election.
So Abbott wants the double dissolution ASAP so he can get control of both houses and proceed with his "not-so-hidden" agenda.
:cheers
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whats the point of putting something through parliment if it may be repealed in 6 months time?
It's up to Mr Rabbit and his looney mates to come out now and say yay or nay.
the ball is in their court.
The greens and ALP will block the repeal of the levy in the senate. Also given the shape of the budget I doubt Abbott will repeal this levy.
At the end of the day I believe the liberals will vote in support of the levy they have nothing to gain out of voting against it.
thats if they still have the numbers after the election.
if they are going to vote for just come and say it and get on with it, FFS.
Thats the problem with these turds, they just want to constantly throw a spanner in the works.
even when they were in power all Hockey did was tell us how bad the opposition was rather doing his job in governing the country.
65, i dont think abbot wants a double dissolution after the next election.
He'll go to a double dissolution over the carbon tax. This election will be a mandate on it. If the ALP lose I think they will accept it and vote along with the liberals in repealing the carbon tax similar to what the lib's did with work choices after their 07 election lose.
Abbott is within his rights to ask Gillard to proved details on how they will fully fund the NDIS when voting for the levy. Swan will have that detail in the budget though so that won't be a problem when it comes time to vote for the levy.
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He'll go to a double dissolution over the carbon tax. This election will be a mandate on it. If the ALP lose I think they will accept it and vote along with the liberals in repealing the carbon tax similar to what the lib's did with work choices after their 07 election lose.
Abbott is within his rights to ask Gillard to proved details on how they will fully fund the NDIS when voting for the levy. Swan will have that detail in the budget though so that won't be a problem when it comes time to vote for the levy.
The Carbon tax repeal might well have the ALP's support so he needs another trigger for a double dissolution.
The repeal of the Medicare levy increase will give him one.
:cheers
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If this doesn't happen before the election its all Gillard's fault. The independents and The Greens has voiced support for the levy so it can pass even without the liberals support in voting for it. She should put it up for a vote in parliament instead of playing wedge politics through the media.
rubbish!
Getting Abbott to commit before the election is the only way of maximising the chance that he will keep it after the election.
It is not about politics it is about a policy that we need to do.
:cheers
Abbott and the liberals support the policy. This is about how they will fund it. They either fund part of it through Gillard's policy of raising the medicare levy or they find the full funding through general revenue which will mean more cuts in other spending area's.
Responsible financial management is not in Labor's DNA, never has been, never will be. The closest they have ever and will ever come to being responsible with OUR money is when Keating was Treasurer and he was as far removed from a typical Labor man as anyone I've seen. His economic reforms were valid, timely, managed and opened our country up to trade with the world, and he didn't go down the path of 'spend til you drop' that seem to be a blind affliction of Labor governments since time immemorial. it's just a shame that his ego had to get in the road and make him drive for the top job because he was a crap Prime Minister who led a subsequently crap government.
Abbott has no option than to ask for evidence of how the scheme is going to be funded. It's an election year, he is a very good chance of leading the next government and the economy is in a complete mess. It would be derelict of him NOT to ask for that evidence because it's most likely that he is going to inherit the commitment to fund it in the future and all the signs are there that he won't have a brass razoo to do that with. Raising the Medicare levy doesn't even pay for half the commitment so it's just another example of Gillard making ad hoc and knee jerk policy decisions based on nothing more than sentiment and public perception, and without thinking for one minute about how she is going to pay for it or the consequences to the economy as a whole.
A few of you are blaming Abbott and saying he has the agenda - Swan on 7.30 last night refused to commit to introducing the legislation despite having the support of the Independants and Greens which would see it passed. All he could do was blame the Liberals and say it was their fault the legislation wasn't being introduced. And Macklin was no different on Q&A - she also refused to commit to introducing the legislation despite having the numbers to get it passed, instead choosing to just blame Abbott. Yeah, that's who's fault it is that the legislation is not introduced, that's who's fault it is the country is in a diabolical financial mess, that's who's fault it is that we are now faced with the prospect of Medicare rises, GST rises and carbon taxes - none of which should never ever ever have needed to be on the table or considered if this rabble had discharged it's duty to the country with any element of responsibility. And the most embarrassing part of this whole saga is that many successive governments have badly neglected and let down the disadvantaged and disabled among us, and the blame cuts across all party lines. It's shameful that we even need to politically squabble about how to fund this critical component of what we should stand for in this country - a fair go for all and a compassion for those who cop a raw deal.
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If this doesn't happen before the election its all Gillard's fault. The independents and The Greens has voiced support for the levy so it can pass even without the liberals support in voting for it. She should put it up for a vote in parliament instead of playing wedge politics through the media.
Rubbish
But it's a mute point now as the PM has said to day she is taking the legislation to parliament
Let's see if the Opposition Leader is true to his word and supports the legislation
No excuses, no playing politics just get it done
And the most embarrassing part of this whole saga is that many successive governments have badly neglected and let down the disadvantaged and disabled among us, and the blame cuts across all party lines. It's shameful that we even need to politically squabble about how to fund this critical component of what we should stand for in this country - a fair go for all and a compassion for those who cop a raw deal.
:clapping :clapping
You are right Smokey and that is why now that the NDIS is out there it's time to put aside the bickering, point scoring and just get this done.
Believe it our not I don't care who thought of it, which govt is introducing it; I just want it done so those who are so often forgotten (especially those who no longer have family to look out for them) get a fair go and the assistance they deserve. They've been neglected for far too long
And yes I am like a dog with bone on this issue, it's personal
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If this doesn't happen before the election its all Gillard's fault. The independents and The Greens has voiced support for the levy so it can pass even without the liberals support in voting for it. She should put it up for a vote in parliament instead of playing wedge politics through the media.
Rubbish
But it's a mute point now as the PM has said to day she is taking the legislation to parliament
Let's see if the Opposition Leader is true to his word and supports the legislation
No excuses, no playing politics just get it done
Its not rubbish for the government to be held to account over policy being introduced into the house and passed. The ALP blaming Abbott for not getting it passed before the election when Gillard has the support of the independents and the greens is rubbish.
At the end of the day the NDIS is going to come about because it has bipartisan support whether that is by funding part of it via a levy increase or fully funding it out of general revenue.
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Its not rubbish for the government to be held to account over policy being introduced into the house and passed. The ALP blaming Abbott for not getting it passed before the election when Gillard has the support of the independents and the greens is rubbish.
Once again, getting Abbott to commit to and vote for the legislation before the election will make it harder for him to repeal it after the election.
:cheers
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If this doesn't happen before the election its all Gillard's fault. The independents and The Greens has voiced support for the levy so it can pass even without the liberals support in voting for it. She should put it up for a vote in parliament instead of playing wedge politics through the media.
Rubbish
But it's a mute point now as the PM has said to day she is taking the legislation to parliament
Let's see if the Opposition Leader is true to his word and supports the legislation
No excuses, no playing politics just get it done
Its not rubbish for the government to be held to account over policy being introduced into the house and passed. The ALP blaming Abbott for not getting it passed before the election when Gillard has the support of the independents and the greens is rubbish.
At the end of the day the NDIS is going to come about because it has bipartisan support whether that is by funding part of it via a levy increase or fully funding it out of general revenue.
Held to account? All Govts should be held to account but in this case regarding this program both sides should stop the crap and get on with it rather than trying to score points. Both sides are doing and it's digusting TBBH
BTW If it has bipaertisan support let's see how the coalition votes in both houses. If they really support it they will vote in favour of it end of story
End of the day I don't give a rats how it gets through as long as it gets through.
But please don't blame the current govt if it doesn't go through before the election. Blame both sides of poilitics for squabbling over it
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If this doesn't happen before the election its all Gillard's fault. The independents and The Greens has voiced support for the levy so it can pass even without the liberals support in voting for it. She should put it up for a vote in parliament instead of playing wedge politics through the media.
Rubbish
But it's a mute point now as the PM has said to day she is taking the legislation to parliament
Let's see if the Opposition Leader is true to his word and supports the legislation
No excuses, no playing politics just get it done
Its not rubbish for the government to be held to account over policy being introduced into the house and passed. The ALP blaming Abbott for not getting it passed before the election when Gillard has the support of the independents and the greens is rubbish.
At the end of the day the NDIS is going to come about because it has bipartisan support whether that is by funding part of it via a levy increase or fully funding it out of general revenue.
Held to account? All Govts should be held to account but in this case regarding this program both sides should stop the crap and get on with it rather than trying to score points. Both sides are doing and it's digusting TBBH
BTW If it has bipaertisan support let's see how the coalition votes in both houses. If they really support it they will vote in favour of it end of story
End of the day I don't give a rats how it gets through as long as it gets through.
But please don't blame the current govt if it doesn't go through before the election. Blame both sides of poilitics for squabbling over it
There is no need for squabbling because the government has the numbers to pass the levy with the independents and the greens. The only squabbling happening is due to Gillard trying to wedge Abbott to support her levy or announce what he will cut to fully fund the program. As I posted earlier in the thread I believe the liberals will back the levy.
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WP will be rapt
Paid Parental Liberal policy.
6 month salary up to a max of 75k.
even i know this policy is FOS and shouldnt see the light of day.
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WP will be rapt
Paid Parental Liberal policy.
6 month salary up to a max of 75k.
even i know this policy is FOS and shouldnt see the light of day.
WP is expecting?
:o
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WP will be rapt
Paid Parental Liberal policy.
6 month salary up to a max of 75k.
even i know this policy is FOS and shouldnt see the light of day.
Why would I be rapt?
You've lost me completely :-\
WP is expecting?
:o
Er no
Only new addition to our family lately was this little dude back in Feb
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/one ear up!.jpg)
And try as we might we don't qualify for the baby bonus or any family allowances :banghead :banghead just aint fair ;D
***Must post an updated pic - little bloke is much bigger now at 21 weeks ;D
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WP will be rapt
Paid Parental Liberal policy.
6 month salary up to a max of 75k.
even i know this policy is FOS and shouldnt see the light of day.
Why would I be rapt?
You've lost me completely :-\
WP is expecting?
:o
Er no
Only new addition to our family lately was this little dude back in Feb
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/one ear up!.jpg)
And try as we might we don't qualify for the baby bonus or any family allowances :banghead :banghead just aint fair ;D
***Must post an updated pic - little bloke is much bigger now at 21 weeks ;D
Can he play on monster full forwards? I know an AFL that needs one ;D
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I was being sarcastic WP :thumbsup I know its not one of your favourite policies
Funny bugger Abbott though i reckon Tigers have more chance of winning a flag this year, than that policy passing through
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Can he play on monster full forwards? I know an AFL that needs one ;D
We are working on it
If being able to take out the legs of his big brother (our labrador) while puppy wrestling counts. Then he is showing alot of promise :thumbsup
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Can he play on monster full forwards? I know an AFL that needs one ;D
We are working on it
If being able to take out the legs of his big brother (our labrador) while puppy wrestling counts. Then he is showing alot of promise :thumbsup
Free kick to the Lab I think.
:lol
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Got to love the neanderthal in Abbott coming out when his lines aren't scripted :wallywink.
''If we want women of that calibre [those that go to university/earn $150k] to have families, and we should, well we have to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so. That is what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about.''
So his PPL scheme is about creating a master race with taxpayers money :lol. Sorry ladies who don't fit that category. You're not a "woman of calibre" in Tony's eyes :wallywink.
Seriously it a disgrace that this PPL scheme was even considered let alone made into a policy. More bloody welfare for those that don't need it :banghead.
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Got to love the neanderthal in Abbott coming out when his lines aren't scripted :wallywink.
''If we want women of that calibre [those that go to university/earn $150k] to have families, and we should, well we have to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so. That is what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about.''
So his PPL scheme is about creating a master race with taxpayers money :lol. Sorry ladies who don't fit that category. You're not a "woman of calibre" in Tony's eyes :wallywink.
Seriously it a disgrace that this PPL scheme was even considered let alone made into a policy. More bloody welfare for those that don't need it :banghead.
Why don't you email and tell Eva Cox she's letting down the feminist movement MT. She's saying the liberal policy is closer to the feminist angle then the current program.
Labor has reignited the misogyny war, with senior government ministers leaping on comments by Tony Abbott that women of the ''calibre'' of a university education should be encouraged to have a family and a career.
But the Opposition Leader drew an unexpected defender in feminist Eva Cox who described the reaction of Health Minister Tanya Plibersek and Finance Minister Penny Wong to his words as an ''over reaction''.
Ms Cox described that as an over reaction. ''Paid parental leave is a salary-related, work-related payment not a welfare payment. I think that's what Tony Abbott was trying to say in a somewhat clumsy way,'' she said.
''If it's a work-related payment it should be at a salary level. People off with the flu or on holiday are paid at the same rate. Why should a woman having a child be put on the minimum wage?''
Ms Cox described Mr Abbott's scheme, which has divided his party room, as ''closer to the feminist angle'' than others.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/feminist-lends-support-to-abbott-20130507-2j5hg.html#ixzz2ScDefTD3
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A test for Abbott and his control over the coalition.
A very interesting read.
Battlelines drawn on Abbott's parental leave scheme
The battle for the future of the Coalition's parental leave scheme has been looming since August 2010. Can the policy - and Tony Abbott's leadership - withstand the challenge, asks Michael Gillies Smith.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4674208.html
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Got to love the neanderthal in Abbott coming out when his lines aren't scripted :wallywink.
''If we want women of that calibre [those that go to university/earn $150k] to have families, and we should, well we have to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so. That is what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about.''
So his PPL scheme is about creating a master race with taxpayers money :lol. Sorry ladies who don't fit that category. You're not a "woman of calibre" in Tony's eyes :wallywink.
Seriously it a disgrace that this PPL scheme was even considered let alone made into a policy. More bloody welfare for those that don't need it :banghead.
Gotta love the pulling one line from a full quote to make the context you want something to be heard in.
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Got to love the neanderthal in Abbott coming out when his lines aren't scripted :wallywink.
''If we want women of that calibre [those that go to university/earn $150k] to have families, and we should, well we have to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so. That is what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about.''
So his PPL scheme is about creating a master race with taxpayers money :lol. Sorry ladies who don't fit that category. You're not a "woman of calibre" in Tony's eyes :wallywink.
Seriously it a disgrace that this PPL scheme was even considered let alone made into a policy. More bloody welfare for those that don't need it :banghead.
Gotta love the pulling one line from a full quote to make the context you want something to be heard in.
MT is going into politics when he retires.
:lol
It is a great one line though.
Really shows where Tony's class warfare is heading.
And to think the morons are sucked in by this pathetic excuse for a politician
:cheers
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Got to love the neanderthal in Abbott coming out when his lines aren't scripted :wallywink.
''If we want women of that calibre [those that go to university/earn $150k] to have families, and we should, well we have to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so. That is what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about.''
So his PPL scheme is about creating a master race with taxpayers money :lol. Sorry ladies who don't fit that category. You're not a "woman of calibre" in Tony's eyes :wallywink.
Seriously it a disgrace that this PPL scheme was even considered let alone made into a policy. More bloody welfare for those that don't need it :banghead.
Gotta love the pulling one line from a full quote to make the context you want something to be heard in.
MT is going into politics when he retires.
:lol
It is a great one line though.
Really shows where Tony's class warfare is heading.
And to think the morons are sucked in by this pathetic excuse for a politician
:cheers
If getting sucked into voting for a pathetic excuse for a politician is the definition of a moron then everyone who voted in Gillard and her band of the worst government ever to prevail this once great country please raise your hands.
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dont look at me I want Machiavelli to be reincarnated so he can take over ;D
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If getting sucked into voting for a pathetic excuse for a politician is the definition of a moron then everyone who voted in Gillard and her band of the worst government ever to prevail this once great country please raise your hands.
We have low inflation, low unemployment and a debt level that is the envy of the rest of the world.
And you believe Tony's crap about bad government.
:lol
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Not to mention record low taxes collected (as a % of GDP)
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4674430-3x2-940x627.jpg)
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and to back up the low debt claim.
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4674454-3x2-940x627.jpg)
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PS Gotta love a good graph :lol
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Got to love the neanderthal in Abbott coming out when his lines aren't scripted :wallywink.
''If we want women of that calibre [those that go to university/earn $150k] to have families, and we should, well we have to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so. That is what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about.''
So his PPL scheme is about creating a master race with taxpayers money :lol. Sorry ladies who don't fit that category. You're not a "woman of calibre" in Tony's eyes :wallywink.
Seriously it a disgrace that this PPL scheme was even considered let alone made into a policy. More bloody welfare for those that don't need it :banghead.
Gotta love the pulling one line from a full quote to make the context you want something to be heard in.
The full text doesn't change anything I said so it's disingenuous to claim otherwise.
[these women are] “in the prime of life and they should be able not just to have kids, but to have careers”.
“We do not educate women to higher degree level to deny them a career,” he said.
“If we want women of that calibre to have families, and we should, well we have to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so. That is what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about.”
Hey Tony, we don't pay taxes either to hand out (more) welfare to people on up to $150k :banghead.
I get sick of this "I want it all and I want it now" attitude these days (from both sexes) and the expectation that the Government (us taxpayers) should pay for it. I remember this dill (a male in his late 20s/early 30s) in the Herald-Sun early last year complaining that it was hard living even on $150k a year now (he was married with one kid). When you read through the article he had a $800k mortgage :o. Now why (unless you could afford it easily) would you go out and buy a first property pushing up towards the $800-900k mark! No one forced him to. Maybe I'm old fashioned Smokey but parents of previous generations would be sitting on boxes around a table they got cheap when starting out on their own. They worked hard and gradually built their way up in life over time on far less income (relative speaking) than these deluded selfish twirps now and without sticking their hand out for any government funded welfare let alone the extravagant middle class welfare people get now with baby bonuses etc no matter which side is in power.
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Mighty i agree with you. I dont know anyone who is currently receiving the PPL who actually is doing it tough.
Personally think it should be for low income only just scrap the whole thing. Problem with that is is i know a few people who make a very good living driving their own trucks yet still receive Fam Tax A because their taxable income is so low. Its a rort
Just out of curiosity did you feel the same way when you got handed $900 by the Labour government or did you send that back to the government? If your going say PPL is a waste of money surely that was also was it not.
I also agree its that fella's choice to buy a house, especially that expensive. If you cant afford then dont buy it, simple
However life these days is not like it how it was back then.
To purchase a house is like 8 x times average income,(60k x 8 = $480k) where as back then i'm sure it was a lot less plus they didnt need the basic necessities like we need now.
Internet, Mobile, rates, Bills. All these things were non existent back then or have gone up a lot higher than inflation.
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If getting sucked into voting for a pathetic excuse for a politician is the definition of a moron then everyone who voted in Gillard and her band of the worst government ever to prevail this once great country please raise your hands.
We have low inflation, low unemployment and a debt level that is the envy of the rest of the world.
And you believe Tony's crap about bad government.
:lol
I don't believe anyone's crap about bad government. Luckily for me I don't adhere blindly to any political ideology (although I class my views as conservative and humanitarian) and in my lifetime I have voted Liberal, National, Labor, Democrat, DLP and even an Independent at different times so you are barking up the wrong tree if you think I'm a lemming contemplating a cliff. What I do know from my 37 years of voting is that politicians tell more lies than real estate and used car salesmen combined, the Liberals have a poor record when it comes to looking after those who genuinely need a helping hand, and the Labor party are incompetent when it comes to managing the economy. That is the truth as I know it from the experience of living under many governments of different persuasions and in my time I have never seen a government that has told more lies, been more divisive of class, been more poorly led and done a worse job of managing the economy than the current Rudd/Gillard regime. And that includes the previous Qld government under Beattie and Bligh who turned a good State government under Goss into a complete and utter untrustworthy rabble, dragging the sound position of the State they inherited into the cellar. Gillard's stewardship makes them pale by comparison.
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Hey Tony, we don't pay taxes either to hand out (more) welfare to people on up to $150k :banghead.
I get sick of this "I want it all and I want it now" attitude these days (from both sexes) and the expectation that the Government (us taxpayers) should pay for it. I remember this dill (a male in his late 20s/early 30s) in the Herald-Sun early last year complaining that it was hard living even on $150k a year now (he was married with one kid). When you read through the article he had a $800k mortgage :o. Now why (unless you could afford it easily) would you go out and buy a first property pushing up towards the $800-900k mark! No one forced him to. Maybe I'm old fashioned Smokey but parents of previous generations would be sitting on boxes around a table they got cheap when starting out on their own. They worked hard and gradually built their way up in life over time on far less income (relative speaking) than these deluded selfish twirps now and without sticking their hand out for any government funded welfare let alone the extravagant middle class welfare people get now with baby bonuses etc no matter which side is in power.
I don't agree with his policy either MT and I agree 100% with you about the attitude of today's "I want it all and I want it now" generation - it makes them under-equipped to deal with the realities of life's travails. I wasn't sticking up for Abbott's policy in my reply to you, only the unfairness of how the media turned the real intent of his statement by focusing on one word and mischievously taking licence to present it in a different light. Something that the ideologically blind of all sides do on an all too regular basis.
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Smokey
Suggest you go back and look at the graphs I posted in this thread.
Once again...
We have low inflation, low unemployment, low tax levels (compared to little Johnny H) and a debt level that is the envy of the rest of the world.
This government can't be doing as bad a job as Tony would have you believe.
:cheers
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Smokey
Suggest you go back and look at the graphs I posted in this thread.
Once again...
We have low inflation, low unemployment, low tax levels (compared to little Johnny H) and a debt level that is the envy of the rest of the world.
This government can't be doing as bad a job as Tony would have you believe.
:cheers
Labor is stuffed. Everyone knows that they have been the shittest government Australia has ever had. A bunch of socialist greenies who hijacked a great political party and turned into poo. gillard and her rabble are gonna get the biggest kick in the guts on Sept 14 and rightly so. They have been a completely poohouse government. A government that has never produced a budget surplus and will leave office with Australia having an annual $20 billion deficit with commodity prices now going down after years of great prices. Taken Australia from having No Public Debt to being $300 billion down the crapper. Labor has stuffed Australia. I feel sorry for the Kids growing up. There futures have been mortgaged by this failed government. And one more thing your graphs are meaningless 65.
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I don't believe anyone's crap about bad government. Luckily for me I don't adhere blindly to any political ideology (although I class my views as conservative and humanitarian) and in my lifetime I have voted Liberal, National, Labor, Democrat, DLP and even an Independent at different times so you are barking up the wrong tree if you think I'm a lemming contemplating a cliff. What I do know from my 37 years of voting is that politicians tell more lies than real estate and used car salesmen combined, the Liberals have a poor record when it comes to looking after those who genuinely need a helping hand, and the Labor party are incompetent when it comes to managing the economy. That is the truth as I know it from the experience of living under many governments of different persuasions and in my time I have never seen a government that has told more lies, been more divisive of class, been more poorly led and done a worse job of managing the economy than the current Rudd/Gillard regime. And that includes the previous Qld government under Beattie and Bligh who turned a good State government under Goss into a complete and utter untrustworthy rabble, dragging the sound position of the State they inherited into the cellar. Gillard's stewardship makes them pale by comparison.
Interesting points you make Smokey
I always find the question of the state of the nation an interesting one.
By state of the nation I mean how are we as citizens going/living/surviving? The question I am always asking myself is are we better off or worse now than say 1, 3, 5 or 10 years ago? Are we as a nation becoming more greedy with what want and what we think we are entitled to (yep my welfare chestnut again)? Are we sadly just turning into a bunch of sooks unable to perhaps make the sacrifices we need to; to adjust to the current climate?
But seriosuly when I sit down and look at my situation and look at what's going on around me and answer each of those
those questions as honeslty as I can I come up with My family is no worse off to Q1 and Yes to the other 2.
Is that a reflection on society looking for someone to blame and not taking responsibility for their collective lot in life. Or is it the fault of the government papmering away to the "i am owed something" menatalty or a combination of both? Seems to me so many people are looking for someone/anyone to blame
I keep hearing and reading that this is the worst government in Australia's history but I question it simply because as I said I am no worse off under this government to what I was under the previous one or the one before that.
I know what tough times are and what they mean. I just don't think people do it that tough these days. I dont think they understand ehat doing it tough actuall means/is.
We were raised solely by my Mum because my Dad died when I was 7. We did it tough. She did it bloody tough. I know what it is like to have to wear "hand me down clothes" because she couldn't afford to buy new ones for us. I know what it's like to not to go on a school camp because we couldn't afford it. I know what it's like to not go on family holidays because we couldn't afford too. So I think I have a good handle of doing it tough
But at the same time and I know it sounds stupid we never wanted for anything because I know how hard she worked to give us the best life and up bringing she could.
The most important thing she taught us though was to work for things and to not expect handouts. If you can't afford don't buy. If you want something save for it - it's not that hard
But today people are so tuned into wanting and expecting that they class not receiving what they want or expect as doing it tough. I suppose the question becomes who's faults that? Their own or the governments
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I remember this dill (a male in his late 20s/early 30s) in the Herald-Sun early last year complaining that it was hard living even on $150k a year now (he was married with one kid). When you read through the article he had a $800k mortgage :o. Now why (unless you could afford it easily) would you go out and buy a first property pushing up towards the $800-900k mark!
Gee whiz :o :o
Me and my missus are trying to get into our first home soon, and the hard part is finding a half decent home in a half decent suburb (don't wish to sound like a snob but we have absolutely no desire to move anywhere like Noble Park) that is on its own title (again, want nothing to do with body/owners corporate or any of that bureaucratic crap) . The ballpark of this criteria is $450k-$550k, and while we can that sort of money approved from a reliable lender (as in a bank) it's still a scary amount to have hanging over our heads if anything was to happen to either of our jobs. How anyone would be able to get a $800k loan or even want borrow that much on a typical wage has me stuffed. That's ridiculous. It doesn't help that the state government has scrapped the first home owners grant for established properties ($10k for new though). They've marginally increased the amount of stamp duty they'll chip in, but it's going to require more number crunching when actually looking to buy something (luckily my partner is in conveyancing so I've left all that to her ;D). We don't pay anything ridiculous in rent, but paying rent at the same time as trying to save just seems never ending. TBH we've conceded we'll never come up with 20%, which means we'll have to get mortgage insurance which again will cut into what we will end up being able to borrow. It's really depressing because home prices have gone up much more than wages have.
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I remember this dill (a male in his late 20s/early 30s) in the Herald-Sun early last year complaining that it was hard living even on $150k a year now (he was married with one kid). When you read through the article he had a $800k mortgage :o. Now why (unless you could afford it easily) would you go out and buy a first property pushing up towards the $800-900k mark!
Gee whiz :o :o
Me and my missus are trying to get into our first home soon, and the hard part is finding a half decent home in a half decent suburb (don't wish to sound like a snob but we have absolutely no desire to move anywhere like Noble Park) that is on its own title (again, want nothing to do with body/owners corporate or any of that bureaucratic crap) . The ballpark of this criteria is $450k-$550k, and while we can that sort of money approved from a reliable lender (as in a bank) it's still a scary amount to have hanging over our heads if anything was to happen to either of our jobs. How anyone would be able to get a $800k loan or even want borrow that much on a typical wage has me stuffed. That's ridiculous. It doesn't help that the state government has scrapped the first home owners grant for established properties ($10k for new though). They've marginally increased the amount of stamp duty they'll chip in, but it's going to require more number crunching when actually looking to buy something (luckily my partner is in conveyancing so I've left all that to her ;D). We don't pay anything ridiculous in rent, but paying rent at the same time as trying to save just seems never ending. TBH we've conceded we'll never come up with 20%, which means we'll have to get mortgage insurance which again will cut into what we will end up being able to borrow. It's really depressing because home prices have gone up much more than wages have.
any family to help as guarantor mate? they don't have to hand you any cash just put up some of the equity. Once value goes up you can take them off.
Mortgage insurance is a crock
Noble Park grew up near there. Used to be a nice area with some good sorts floating around. Now i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
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I remember this dill (a male in his late 20s/early 30s) in the Herald-Sun early last year complaining that it was hard living even on $150k a year now (he was married with one kid). When you read through the article he had a $800k mortgage :o. Now why (unless you could afford it easily) would you go out and buy a first property pushing up towards the $800-900k mark!
Gee whiz :o :o
Me and my missus are trying to get into our first home soon, and the hard part is finding a half decent home in a half decent suburb (don't wish to sound like a snob but we have absolutely no desire to move anywhere like Noble Park) that is on its own title (again, want nothing to do with body/owners corporate or any of that bureaucratic crap) . The ballpark of this criteria is $450k-$550k, and while we can that sort of money approved from a reliable lender (as in a bank) it's still a scary amount to have hanging over our heads if anything was to happen to either of our jobs. How anyone would be able to get a $800k loan or even want borrow that much on a typical wage has me stuffed. That's ridiculous. It doesn't help that the state government has scrapped the first home owners grant for established properties ($10k for new though). They've marginally increased the amount of stamp duty they'll chip in, but it's going to require more number crunching when actually looking to buy something (luckily my partner is in conveyancing so I've left all that to her ;D). We don't pay anything ridiculous in rent, but paying rent at the same time as trying to save just seems never ending. TBH we've conceded we'll never come up with 20%, which means we'll have to get mortgage insurance which again will cut into what we will end up being able to borrow. It's really depressing because home prices have gone up much more than wages have.
any family to help as guarantor mate? they don't have to hand you any cash just put up some of the equity. Once value goes up you can take them off.
Mortgage insurance is a crock
Noble Park grew up near there. Used to be a nice area with some good sorts floating around. Now i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Maybe. We'll explore the guarantor option when it comes to sitting down with the paper work and working it out, seeing exactly what we need etc. Our parents are chipping in a bit as it is.
When I first moved here from Brisbane 5 years back I was staying in a granny flat in a block's backyard just near the Maccas on Jacksons Rd.... got out of there as soon as I could :lol
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Have you thought about going "new" dwaino?
There are number of new estates around, not that far out of town (Williams Landing, Point Cook in the west ) that have H&L packages for under $450K and you get the grant, plus should be able to get cheaper S/Duty too (well used to be able too)
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Just out of curiosity did you feel the same way when you got handed $900 by the Labour government or did you send that back to the government? If your going say PPL is a waste of money surely that was also was it not.
The PPL isn't a one off nor a economic stimulant though unlike the stimulus package that was designed to urgently and rapidly stimulate an economy undergoing severe deflation (due to global effects) and stop it going into recession. You could argue in my individual case it was a waste of money as I didn't need the $900 but all up nationally it did the job it was designed to do (we stayed out of recession and unemployment stayed relatively low). The PPL will be forever more however once it comes in and it does nothing for the economy. You can't compare the two. If you want a Labor handout that I would bag then things such as the "schools bonus" etc would ones for starters but IIRC they are now scraping the school bonus before it even begins for the budget's sake.
I also agree its that fella's choice to buy a house, especially that expensive. If you cant afford then dont buy it, simple
However life these days is not like it how it was back then.
To purchase a house is like 8 x times average income,(60k x 8 = $480k) where as back then i'm sure it was a lot less plus they didnt need the basic necessities like we need now.
Internet, Mobile, rates, Bills. All these things were non existent back then or have gone up a lot higher than inflation.
True average house prices have gone up relative to average income (roughly 4x average income in the 70s according to the ABS - see below) but single income families were more common back then whereas now often both dad and mum work and bring in double incomes.
Average income and house price stats for the 70s:
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/free.nsf/0/ECFD710FA7299B77CA25750C001886D0/$File/63020_MAR1977.pdf
http://www.econ.mq.edu.au/Econ_docs/research_papers2/2004_research_papers/Abelson_9_04.pdf
Whitegoods and electrical goods have actually gone down relative to average income in recent times IIRC. It's utilities that have gone right up :P. Add private health insurance in there as well.
Anyway I wasn't talking about average incomers but those earning up to double the average who whinge and complain it's tough when they idiotically overextend themselves financially and then demand welfare from the Government. There's still affordable housing on par with the 4-5x average income in the outer/newer suburbs or there's the option of buying a nice 2-3 bedroom unit in the middle suburbs. You can always upgrade and move to superior premises later on in life as your circumstances improve.
My point is you can still reasonably do it if you're willing to make sacrifices and go without certain things for the time being. It's those who "want it all now" that get themselves into trouble and then sook about it blaming everyone else including the Government for their own predicament .
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The PPL isn't a one off nor a economic stimulant though unlike the stimulus package that was designed to urgently and rapidly stimulate an economy undergoing severe deflation (due to global effects) and stop it going into recession. You could argue in my individual case it was a waste of money as I didn't need the $900 but all up nationally it did the job it was designed to do (we stayed out of recession and unemployment stayed relatively low).
Do you really believe that MT. Interest rates are lower now then what they was at the time. Yes the stimulus checks would of boosted the retail sector but did it save the nation from a recession c'mon.
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I remember this dill (a male in his late 20s/early 30s) in the Herald-Sun early last year complaining that it was hard living even on $150k a year now (he was married with one kid). When you read through the article he had a $800k mortgage :o. Now why (unless you could afford it easily) would you go out and buy a first property pushing up towards the $800-900k mark!
Gee whiz :o :o
Me and my missus are trying to get into our first home soon, and the hard part is finding a half decent home in a half decent suburb (don't wish to sound like a snob but we have absolutely no desire to move anywhere like Noble Park) that is on its own title (again, want nothing to do with body/owners corporate or any of that bureaucratic crap) . The ballpark of this criteria is $450k-$550k, and while we can that sort of money approved from a reliable lender (as in a bank) it's still a scary amount to have hanging over our heads if anything was to happen to either of our jobs. How anyone would be able to get a $800k loan or even want borrow that much on a typical wage has me stuffed. That's ridiculous. It doesn't help that the state government has scrapped the first home owners grant for established properties ($10k for new though). They've marginally increased the amount of stamp duty they'll chip in, but it's going to require more number crunching when actually looking to buy something (luckily my partner is in conveyancing so I've left all that to her ;D). We don't pay anything ridiculous in rent, but paying rent at the same time as trying to save just seems never ending. TBH we've conceded we'll never come up with 20%, which means we'll have to get mortgage insurance which again will cut into what we will end up being able to borrow. It's really depressing because home prices have gone up much more than wages have.
With just two units on a block there's no legal need for a functioning body corporate. There's of course the issue of common ground if a driveway is shared but some two unit blocks these days have separate driveways so you're completely separate from the other unit's property. Middle surburbia is definitely going the way of units and townhouses as increased population density is encouraged by the local councils.
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Interesting points you make Smokey
I always find the question of the state of the nation an interesting one.
By state of the nation I mean how are we as citizens going/living/surviving? The question I am always asking myself is are we better off or worse now than say 1, 3, 5 or 10 years ago? Are we as a nation becoming more greedy with what want and what we think we are entitled to (yep my welfare chestnut again)? Are we sadly just turning into a bunch of sooks unable to perhaps make the sacrifices we need to; to adjust to the current climate?
But seriosuly when I sit down and look at my situation and look at what's going on around me and answer each of those
those questions as honeslty as I can I come up with My family is no worse off to Q1 and Yes to the other 2.
Is that a reflection on society looking for someone to blame and not taking responsibility for their collective lot in life. Or is it the fault of the government papmering away to the "i am owed something" menatalty or a combination of both? Seems to me so many people are looking for someone/anyone to blame
I keep hearing and reading that this is the worst government in Australia's history but I question it simply because as I said I am no worse off under this government to what I was under the previous one or the one before that.
I know what tough times are and what they mean. I just don't think people do it that tough these days. I dont think they understand ehat doing it tough actuall means/is.
We were raised solely by my Mum because my Dad died when I was 7. We did it tough. She did it bloody tough. I know what it is like to have to wear "hand me down clothes" because she couldn't afford to buy new ones for us. I know what it's like to not to go on a school camp because we couldn't afford it. I know what it's like to not go on family holidays because we couldn't afford too. So I think I have a good handle of doing it tough
But at the same time and I know it sounds stupid we never wanted for anything because I know how hard she worked to give us the best life and up bringing she could.
The most important thing she taught us though was to work for things and to not expect handouts. If you can't afford don't buy. If you want something save for it - it's not that hard
But today people are so tuned into wanting and expecting that they class not receiving what they want or expect as doing it tough. I suppose the question becomes who's faults that? Their own or the governments
I wholeheartedly agree with you WP re: the 'wanting everything now' mentality as opposed to how we 'older types' were raised with hand-me-down clothing, repairing broken appliances, the cheapest cuts of meat and the myriad of other lifestyle improvement sacrifices that came naturally, if not easily, to our parents. But that also serves to highlight my point about what this current government is doing to our economy. As a country we have gone from having enough money in the bank to survive a rainy day, to living on the never never and getting further and further into debt with every passing day. They now blame the reduction in receipts from budgeted estimates but there was no shortage of reputable organizations warning of this folly a few years back and Swan and Gillard took no notice, continuing to spend money on half-baked schemes, promise budget surpluses and claim responsible fiscal management while the economy went further and further and further into the red. Initially they blamed the GFC (not Geelong Football Club ;D ) for the loss of the surplus but by Swan's own admission that was over by 2010 yet we have hurtled further into debt every year since, for no purpose except to fund pointless schemes at the apparent whim of whatever seems "a good idea at the time". As an accountant I am very confident you have practiced sound financial management of your affairs and as a result of any downturn or negative episode in our economy or your circumstances you are well placed to withstand or ignore it, as have many other Australians. But................there are many many many more who haven't been as fiscally responsible for whatever reason and they will seriously hurt with the slightest downturn in their circumstance - loss of job, increase in rent, medical emergency, relationship breakup etc. And so it is with our country - we had our rainy day money and (rightly or wrongly but that debate is for another day) this what we used to deal with the GFC. Since then however, we have continued to spend and borrow, spend and borrow with little justification and little purpose except to appease minority whims and knee jerk causes. And just like the citizen who practices this method of running his own affairs - the outcome is inevitable and painful - the only trouble is the citizen only harms himself, the government makes us all pay the price for ineptitude.
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Have you thought about going "new" dwaino?
There are number of new estates around, not that far out of town (Williams Landing, Point Cook in the west ) that have H&L packages for under $450K and you get the grant, plus should be able to get cheaper S/Duty too (well used to be able too)
Lol at Point Cook being discussed as the "new". I lived in Laverton during the early 70's and back then Point Cook was the far end of the earth - all that was there was a largely under-utilised RAAF base. I can't comprehend it now being a vital part of the Melbourne residential scene. :o
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My point is you can still reasonably do it if you're willing to make sacrifices and go without certain things for the time being. It's those who "want it all now" that get themselves into trouble and then sook about it blaming everyone else
Shame the government doesn't abide by this MT.
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Have you thought about going "new" dwaino?
There are number of new estates around, not that far out of town (Williams Landing, Point Cook in the west ) that have H&L packages for under $450K and you get the grant, plus should be able to get cheaper S/Duty too (well used to be able too)
Lol at Point Cook being discussed as the "new". I lived in Laverton during the early 70's and back then Point Cook was the far end of the earth - all that was there was a largely under-utilised RAAF base. I can't comprehend it now being a vital part of the Melbourne residential scene. :o
Williams Landing is out the back of where the old William RAAF base was in Laverton. :laugh:
It is a great area now, lots of building going on, plenty of amenities and reasonable in price. Not a bad place to live the west these days :thumbsup
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My point is you can still reasonably do it if you're willing to make sacrifices and go without certain things for the time being. It's those who "want it all now" that get themselves into trouble and then sook about it blaming everyone else
Shame the government doesn't abide by this MT.
Shame they all don't Smokey.
It doesn't matter who's in power neither side will abolish all these handouts that we cannot afford to fund. I'd vote for any side of politics that had the guts to do that ;D
And can I add going into their last election campaign the Howard govt were spending or promising to spend the surpluses they had stock piled. why? Because they wanted to win an election.
All sides do it and will continue to do so because when it's all said and done they are more about power than doing right by its citizens.
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Have you thought about going "new" dwaino?
There are number of new estates around, not that far out of town (Williams Landing, Point Cook in the west ) that have H&L packages for under $450K and you get the grant, plus should be able to get cheaper S/Duty too (well used to be able too)
Yeah we're looking new too, but nothing out in the sticks. I don't mind so much but the missus works in town and can't stand the commute from Mentone as it is. I think the closest they're doing these packages south east way is out Pakenham/Cranny way lol. We're renting a lovely brand new two story town house in a new estate and had a look at what they were to buy (started at around $480k, now selling $650k+ established) but we've copped neighbours from hell in all directions and an owners corporation that fashion themselves on the Gestapo. So it's a house on it's own title or else lol. Been looking at houses on subdivided blocks and some of those have fit our budget and criteria.
My mum says, and I know it's the truth, "your first home isn't meant to be your dream home" but I don't think we're being too unreasonable ;D we just want our own place where we can enjoy a bit of peace, where we're not scared anything not bolted down will get pinched, not a million miles from everything, sufficient if we decide to start a family, and enough space to get a dog.
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Interesting debate in here. I think when someone is trying to get somewhere decent and they have a budget of say $500,000 to $550,000 a lot depends on where they work and how far they are prepared to travel. For example $550k doesnt get you very much in Melbourne but if youre prepared to live on the mornington peninsula and travel the new freeway etc you can get a fantastic house with a great lifestyle in Rye. I know a few people who made this exact same decision, they love it although they admit that driving home at night is much harder than it is driving into work in the morning. I suppose its because they are tired but friday night comes along and they are near the beach and they have a nice quiet lifestyle (maybe not in summer though).
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Interesting debate in here. I think when someone is trying to get somewhere decent and they have a budget of say $500,000 to $550,000 a lot depends on where they work and how far they are prepared to travel. For example $550k doesnt get you very much in Melbourne but if youre prepared to live on the mornington peninsula and travel the new freeway etc you can get a fantastic house with a great lifestyle in Rye. I know a few people who made this exact same decision, they love it although they admit that driving home at night is much harder than it is driving into work in the morning. I suppose its because they are tired but friday night comes along and they are near the beach and they have a nice quiet lifestyle (maybe not in summer though).
You can get a tidy 3 bedroom house on its own block under $500k around Edithvale and Chelsea (I guess still on the Mornington peninsula but maybe not as far down as you were suggesting ;D). Ideally that's where I would to go and I only work just in Moorabbin anyway. But the missus works in Brunswick and won't have a bar of it :( lol. Trying to tell her if it's not there then we'll have to look around the good side of Springvale or Oakleigh because anything closer to town from here is out of the question unless we win Tatts.
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You a man or a mouse Dwaino. Don't worry what the woman think tell them whose the boss?
Edithvale is a good spot. Missed out on a nice house there back in 04. Il be moving to that area come 2015. Good schools and within a good price range.
I grew up in Mulgrave, another suburb i rate highly, and you can find good buys around $450-475. Asians are buying up big given the proximity to Monash. Clayton, oakleigh all above 700k but Mulgrave is still well priced, not sure for how long.
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My first house cost $32,000.
It is now worth $650,000
:lol
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The PPL isn't a one off nor a economic stimulant though unlike the stimulus package that was designed to urgently and rapidly stimulate an economy undergoing severe deflation (due to global effects) and stop it going into recession. You could argue in my individual case it was a waste of money as I didn't need the $900 but all up nationally it did the job it was designed to do (we stayed out of recession and unemployment stayed relatively low).
Do you really believe that MT. Interest rates are lower now then what they was at the time. Yes the stimulus checks would of boosted the retail sector but did it save the nation from a recession c'mon.
Yes I do.
The issues affecting Australia now are different to back in 2008-9. Back at the height of the GFC we had a global economy contracting at a rate not seen since the Great Depression of the 1930s. This was causing the Australian economy to contract quickly as well. Lowering interest rates, while partly a stimulus in itself, was not enough to counter the scale of the contraction. It's probably a Keynesian solution but in a deflationary environment Government provides artificial stimulus which by its nature is inflationary to the counter the deflation and subsequent rising unemployment. The stimulus package(s) were wide ranging to provide instant and longer range stimulus. Most of the ideas were successful although a couple stuffed up (pink bats the obvious one). Overall though the whole strategy worked which is the main thing. IIRC we did have one quarter of negative growth but not the two or more in a row which corresponds officially as a recession. Unemployment peaked at 7.4% from memory rather than reach the double digit figures that would've occurred if no stimulus had been implemented and we had gone into recession. Going into recession would've devastated confidence and created panic which then sends the economy on a self-perpetuating downward spiral. This was the lesson learnt from the Great Depression where old school traditional cuts were made by Governments and as a result the whole economy collapsed and created mass unemployment for a whole decade. The footage of lines of men stretching for blocks and around corners looking for work is testament to the economic devastation that occurred in the 1930s. The Depression probably would've lasted longer too if not for WWII. Australia was one of the countries worst hit by the Great Depression by the way. The fact the current Government acted so swiftly with the stimulus package(s) and provided certainty with bank guarantees etc ... no doubt kept Australia out of recession. It would be hard to find a economist who would disagree with that.
As for now, the main problem is the high Australian dollar. During the GFC our dollar fell to below 70 US cents. However because Australia didn't go into recession we didn't need to lower rates to the almost 0% levels that occurred in Europe, America and Japan. So while our rates fell to historically low levels by Australian standards, they were still high relative to other OCED countries. That meant overseas investors flooded in to buy the Aussie dollar and it shot up to above parity where it has stayed at for over two years. We became a victim of our own success. With the high Aussie dollar, it has crueled our manufacturing, retail and tourism sectors. Normally that would slow the economy and force further rate falls to stimulate the economy causing the Aussie dollar to fall as well which would've helped these sectors. However, we had a two speed economy - the mining boom in WA and Qld and high commodity prices it meant the Aussie dollar stayed above parity and it meant overall inflation figures stayed 'normal' so the RBA couldn't cut interest rates without risking inflation rising above the 2-3% band. With the fall in commodity prices over the past 6-9 months and the end of the mining boom, inflation is now well under control again if not at the lower end and the RBA has room to move to lower interest rates further to try and stimulate the economy and these weaker sectors. Still the Aussie dollar is above parity as we speak despite the rate cut. Another rate cut is on the cards you would think.
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My point is you can still reasonably do it if you're willing to make sacrifices and go without certain things for the time being. It's those who "want it all now" that get themselves into trouble and then sook about it blaming everyone else
Shame the government doesn't abide by this MT.
Shame they all don't Smokey.
It doesn't matter who's in power neither side will abolish all these handouts that we cannot afford to fund. I'd vote for any side of politics that had the guts to do that ;D
And can I add going into their last election campaign the Howard govt were spending or promising to spend the surpluses they had stock piled. why? Because they wanted to win an election.
All sides do it and will continue to do so because when it's all said and done they are more about power than doing right by its citizens.
Spot on WP.
One problem is the mortgage belts around the country often contain most of the marginal seats that the pollies worry about winning the most. So the side that decides to abolish all these handouts would risk electoral defeat. As you said WP, the pollies are more about power than doing right by its citizens.
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Unemployment falls again.
What a bad bad government we have. :lol
Surprise jobs surge pushes unemployment lower
By online business reporter Michael Janda
The unemployment rate has confounded most economists by falling from 5.6 to 5.5 per cent.
The Bureau of Statistics labour force survey estimates that 50,100 jobs were added in April, with 34,500 full-time positions and 15,600 part-time jobs created.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-09/abs-employment-figures-april/4679182
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Samsung already testing 5G.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22507512 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22507512)
I was saying this when the NBN was first mooted but we really need to invest in the future.
It's time to invest in wireless instead of wasting money on a rollout that will be already outdated by the time it's finished.
That goes for both sides of politics.
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1Gbps over a distance of 2km is still a bit behind fiber optics.
the main thing though is not so much speed , but bandwidth.
i remember one of the libs complaining the NBN wouldnt reach capacity for 50 years. not sure where the notion that the nbn will be outdated by the time its finidhed. i think i read somewhere that the physical limitations of fiber optics hasdnt been reached yet.
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Samsung already testing 5G.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22507512 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22507512)
I was saying this when the NBN was first mooted but we really need to invest in the future.
It's time to invest in wireless instead of wasting money on a rollout that will be already outdated by the time it's finished.
That goes for both sides of politics.
You will still need fibre optic to the wireless nodes (not copper)
:thumbsup
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Samsung already testing 5G.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22507512 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22507512)
I was saying this when the NBN was first mooted but we really need to invest in the future.
It's time to invest in wireless instead of wasting money on a rollout that will be already outdated by the time it's finished.
That goes for both sides of politics.
You will still need fibre optic to the wireless nodes (not copper)
:thumbsup
Fair enough but do we need it to every house?
To every hospital and school I can understand.
I'm all for upgrading the system but I think wireless is the way to go.
If every school has the infrastructure then can't upgraded wireless technology feed off it?
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well it looks like a govt is going to have the guts to do something about this middle class welfare.
News services reporting the baby bonus is goneskis
Payment now going to be $3k 2k for the first child and then $1k for the next and it will for only those receiving family benefit A
Plenty of folks will be sooking but it's about time
:clapping :clapping
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well it looks like a govt is going to have the guts to do something about this middle class welfare.
News services reporting the baby bonus is goneskis
Payment now going to be $3k for the first child and then $1k for the next and it will for only those receiving family benefit A
Plenty of folks will be sooking but it's about time
:clapping :clapping
Probably a good thing. Family Tax payments are a bigger rort so hopefully they will do cut that.
Maybe they can also have the guts to apologise for the debt they have now put us in.
2 things WP
1. No mention of PPL so majority of people won't care about BB cuts. PPL handout delivers quite a bit more. 9k approx vrs 5K
2. Matters little this budget because the ALP won't be around to deliver on any of this, as they will be goneski. Not worth the paper it's written on
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2. Matters little this budget because the ALP won't be around to deliver on any of this, as they will be goneski. Not worth the paper it's written on
Certain things will be delivered not matter who's in office daniel - current govt will entrench certain programs NIDS, Education reforms that will lead to the Coalition being stuck with them like it or not - I think it's called being "guzumped"
And BTW I think Tony & Joe will be thanking the current Govt ;D because the Swan is announcing the same cuts the Coalition would need have to (if they were honest about it) to fund their promises and get the economy back in surplus. Hard work re spending cuts wise is being done for them; they don't have to make the tough calls they can just point the finger of blame and if we are all honest Tony & his team are very good at that ;D :thumbsup
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2. Matters little this budget because the ALP won't be around to deliver on any of this, as they will be goneski. Not worth the paper it's written on
Certain things will be delivered not matter who's in office daniel - current govt will entrench certain programs NIDS, Education reforms that will lead to the Coalition being stuck with them like it or not - I think it's called being "guzumped"
And BTW I think Tony & Joe will be thanking the current Govt ;D because the Swan is announcing the same cuts the Coalition would need have to (if they were honest about it) to fund their promises and get the economy back in surplus. Hard work re spending cuts wise is being done for them; they don't have to make the tough calls they can just point the finger of blame and if we are all honest Tony & his team are very good at that ;D :thumbsup
WP the NDIS has bipartisan support stop falling for labor spin that they are the only party for it. Also I don't believe any government should entrench any policy that a current/future gov't can be stuck with. Imagine if Howard done that with workchoices ALP would be up in arms over not being able to repeal it.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph. Every cut Swan makes saves a future liberal government from having to make it. But lets be honest more cuts and bigger cuts need to be made. Swan is only cutting around the edges and just announced a forecast 19 billion deficit which no doubt will end up being bigger.
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WP the NDIS has bipartisan support stop falling for labor spin that they are the only party for it. Also I don't believe any government should entrench any policy that a current/future gov't can be stuck with. Imagine if Howard done that with workchoices ALP would be up in arms over not being able to repeal it.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph. Every cut Swan makes saves a future liberal government from having to make it. But lets be honest more cuts and bigger cuts need to be made. Swan is only cutting around the edges and just announced a forecast 19 billion deficit which no doubt will end up being bigger.
I am well aware that the NDIS now has bipartisan support.
But the fact remains that it is the current govt are the ones who bought it to the table. It was never on the coalition's agenda.
Say what you like about the Gillard govt but the NDIS is the most important social program of the last 30 years at the very least. It will be their legacy and it is one they should be congratulated for and proud of.
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Samsung already testing 5G.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22507512 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22507512)
I was saying this when the NBN was first mooted but we really need to invest in the future.
It's time to invest in wireless instead of wasting money on a rollout that will be already outdated by the time it's finished.
That goes for both sides of politics.
Samsung's 5G will complement NBN, not replace it
Date May 14, 2013 - 3:27PM
Adam turner
Super-fast wireless will never make fibre obsolete.
Samsung has reportedly "witnessed" one-gigabit-per-second wireless download speeds over a distance of two kilometres in its 5G trials. In theory such speeds would let you download an entire movie in seconds, on par with the gigabit speeds which the NBN will eventually deliver. So it's time to scrap Australia's national broadband network and just go wireless, right? Wrong.
Samsung's so-called 5G wireless technology is still in the test phase and is at least seven years away from commercial deployment. Even if you could roll out this technology today, you're not going to get gigabit speeds in real world conditions. The laws of physics dictate that wireless bandwidth is a shared resource and congestion is the enemy. The more people using a wireless network at once, the slower their download speeds and upload speeds. Not to mention the fact that wireless technologies are prone to interference and black spots, unlike a strand of fibre running to your door.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/samsungs-5g-will-complement-nbn-not-replace-it-20130514-2jjlw.html#ixzz2TIUKCcuw
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WP the NDIS has bipartisan support stop falling for labor spin that they are the only party for it.
Great biapartisan support on show this morning in parliament
Bill put forward to raise the medicare levy to cover the funding of the NDIS and hardly any opposition pollies there.
Great show of bipartisan support right there ::)
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WP the NDIS has bipartisan support stop falling for labor spin that they are the only party for it.
Great biapartisan support on show this morning in parliament
Bill put forward to raise the medicare levy to cover the funding of the NDIS and hardly any opposition pollies there.
Great show of bipartisan support right there ::)
Maybe the libs have had enough of her spin, like most Australians have.
I heard Swan last night on ABC couldnt answer the question how this government has continually made a profit yet blown it all.
Like this BB. Cut it but raise other family benefits. JH spot on they take it from one hand give it you in another and call it something else.
Lucky we have a few months left of the budget surplus dribble they kept harping on about that will not happen for a long time.
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WP the NDIS has bipartisan support stop falling for labor spin that they are the only party for it.
Great biapartisan support on show this morning in parliament
Bill put forward to raise the medicare levy to cover the funding of the NDIS and hardly any opposition pollies there.
Great show of bipartisan support right there ::)
Maybe the libs have had enough of her spin, like most Australians have.
I heard Swan last night on ABC couldnt answer the question how this government has continually made a profit yet blown it all.
Like this BB. Cut it but raise other family benefits. JH spot on they take it from one hand give it you in another and call it something else.
Lucky we have a few months left of the budget surplus dribble they kept harping on about that will not happen for a long time.
With all due respect daniel, I don't give a stuff what side of politics you sit on if you say are going to support something and in particular something as important as the NDIS then you show up to support. That is true bipartisan support
As for the BB you are smart bloke even you should be able to see that there is a genuine saving being made here. Joe can as well but to say so would go against what this opposition has been about for the last 2 and half years. ;) (Cue Groucho Marx in Horse Feathers ;D)
If the BB was been given out at $5-6k per first child (not sure of the exact amount because we've never rec'd it) and now that is going to be only $2k per first child and it's to be means tested as part of family benefit A surely that is a saving :huh yes or no. To say it isn't going to generate an overall savings is simply not true
Now before you go and throw in cost of PPL. If PPL remains but the BB goes and is replaced by $2k payment that is means tested surely a saving is still in play.
As i said yesterday Tony & Joe are happy that the Gillard govt are the ones making the tough calls on spending cuts, saves them having to do it. Only thing they have to come up with and hopefully tells us is how they intend to fund their promises and bring the budget into surplus. Something up until this point they've refused to do and no doubt will continue to refuse to do until they have to
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Good 'ol Julia getting all emotional again. :lol
Question is..... which Julia is it? :shh
This government has sure given us something to laugh about that's for sure. :thumbsup
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Good 'ol Julia getting all emotional again. :lol
Question is..... which Julia is it? :shh
This government has sure given us something to laugh about that's for sure. :thumbsup
Let me get this correct.
You are laughing at the Prime Minister getting emotional about the introduction of the NDIS?
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Good 'ol Julia getting all emotional again. :lol
Question is..... which Julia is it? :shh
This government has sure given us something to laugh about that's for sure. :thumbsup
Let me get this correct.
You are laughing at the Prime Minister getting emotional about the introduction of the NDIS?
65 don't make it out to be some political correctness thing. No ones bagging the disabled.
Who knows maybe those tears were all for show. Wouldn't be the first time and wouldn't surprise me with her.
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WP the NDIS has bipartisan support stop falling for labor spin that they are the only party for it.
Great biapartisan support on show this morning in parliament
Bill put forward to raise the medicare levy to cover the funding of the NDIS and hardly any opposition pollies there.
Great show of bipartisan support right there ::)
Maybe the libs have had enough of her spin, like most Australians have.
I heard Swan last night on ABC couldnt answer the question how this government has continually made a profit yet blown it all.
Like this BB. Cut it but raise other family benefits. JH spot on they take it from one hand give it you in another and call it something else.
Lucky we have a few months left of the budget surplus dribble they kept harping on about that will not happen for a long time.
With all due respect daniel, I don't give a stuff what side of politics you sit on if you say are going to support something and in particular something as important as the NDIS then you show up to support. That is true bipartisan support
As for the BB you are smart bloke even you should be able to see that there is a genuine saving being made here. Joe can as well but to say so would go against what this opposition has been about for the last 2 and half years. ;) (Cue Groucho Marx in Horse Feathers ;D)
If the BB was been given out at $5-6k per first child (not sure of the exact amount because we've never rec'd it) and now that is going to be only $2k per first child and it's to be means tested as part of family benefit A surely that is a saving :huh yes or no. To say it isn't going to generate an overall savings is simply not true
Now before you go and throw in cost of PPL. If PPL remains but the BB goes and is replaced by $2k payment that is means tested surely a saving is still in play.
As i said yesterday Tony & Joe are happy that the Gillard govt are the ones making the tough calls on spending cuts, saves them having to do it. Only thing they have to come up with and hopefully tells us is how they intend to fund their promises and bring the budget into surplus. Something up until this point they've refused to do and no doubt will continue to refuse to do until they have to
yes absolutely a saving is in play :thumbsup but it will just force more people to get involved in the PPL scheme thus reducing any benefit they they are hoping to receive. You think people will cop the BB hit knowing all they need to do is work between kids and they will get PPL.
i received this payment with my first child and not with my second. In hindsight did i really need it. Probably not but i gladly took it, which is why i think they should scrap the whole thing and use it elsewhere.
On a side note was there anything in the budget about cutting council funding or reducing their power. Id say that's a state thing but you want to see what wasting money is really like then look no further than your local council.
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Good 'ol Julia getting all emotional again. :lol
Question is..... which Julia is it? :shh
This government has sure given us something to laugh about that's for sure. :thumbsup
Let me get this correct.
You are laughing at the Prime Minister getting emotional about the introduction of the NDIS?
65 don't make it out to be some political correctness thing. No ones bagging the disabled.
Who knows maybe those tears were all for show. Wouldn't be the first time and wouldn't surprise me with her.
But...
Let me get this correct.
Were you are laughing at the Prime Minister getting emotional about the introduction of the NDIS?
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Good 'ol Julia getting all emotional again. :lol
Question is..... which Julia is it? :shh
This government has sure given us something to laugh about that's for sure. :thumbsup
Let me get this correct.
You are laughing at the Prime Minister getting emotional about the introduction of the NDIS?
65 don't make it out to be some political correctness thing. No ones bagging the disabled.
Who knows maybe those tears were all for show. Wouldn't be the first time and wouldn't surprise me with her.
But...
Let me get this correct.
Were you are laughing at the Prime Minister getting emotional about the introduction of the NDIS?
It was the introduction of the levy. The NDIS legislation has already passed.
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There is nothing funny about Julia Gillard. There is nothing funny about massive deficits that reasonable hard working people like myself will pay for with the inevitable income tax creep.
There is nothing funny about being forced to sit through the horror movie that is the past 7 years of Government. :cheers
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Good 'ol Julia getting all emotional again. :lol
Question is..... which Julia is it? :shh
This government has sure given us something to laugh about that's for sure. :thumbsup
Let me get this correct.
You are laughing at the Prime Minister getting emotional about the introduction of the NDIS?
65 don't make it out to be some political correctness thing. No ones bagging the disabled.
Who knows maybe those tears were all for show. Wouldn't be the first time and wouldn't surprise me with her.
But...
Let me get this correct.
Were you are laughing at the Prime Minister getting emotional about the introduction of the NDIS?
No just laughing at the most phoney Prime minister this country has ever produced.
Ever seen her speech before U.S. Congress? She fought back tears that day too quoting directly from Bono. :ROTFL
You can trust her all you like but which Julia will you trust? :lol
A Charlatan if I've ever seen one.
I'm not fooled one little bit by her tears.
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On a side note was there anything in the budget about cutting council funding or reducing their power. Id say that's a state thing but you want to see what wasting money is really like then look no further than your local council.
Excellent point Daniel. :clapping
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On a side note was there anything in the budget about cutting council funding or reducing their power. Id say that's a state thing but you want to see what wasting money is really like then look no further than your local council.
Excellent point Daniel. :clapping
As you said it is not really a federal issue is it? federal govts don't really fund locall councils
read my post on the referendum on councils being recognised in the constitution thread and you'll know that if it was up to me I'd get rid of them all together. Fat Cat city are local councils
However, I will give credit my local council, City West Water & the Federal Govt for funding a major water recycling program they are working on that work like what we have at the MCG, Punt Road & Yarra Park. this will result in the Vic Baseball centre in Laverton, the local footy, cricket and soccer grounds in Laverton and Altona Meadows having access to recycled water rather using fresh water. Our wonderful "do nothing" state governments contribution to it = ZERO, assessed by then as not being needed ::)
Only decent thing my local council's done in the last 5 years
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It was the introduction of the levy. The NDIS legislation has already passed.
Splitting hairs - it was about getting through what is needed to get this program started. Increasing the levy ensures it happens. And please don't say it was always going to happen because it the NDIS has bipartisan support - coalition has never explained how they would fund it ;D
Now if only the stupid WA state govt would sign up to it rather than playing politics with it :banghead :banghead
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my view on politics is a quote from a "Who" song...."meet the new boss ,same as the old boss"
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No just laughing at the most phoney Prime minister this country has ever produced.
Ever seen her speech before U.S. Congress? She fought back tears that day too quoting directly from Bono. :ROTFL
You can trust her all you like but which Julia will you trust? :lol
A Charlatan if I've ever seen one.
I'm not fooled one little bit by her tears.
Sorry Mr Tigra, dislike the woman, despise her even hate her but never ever question her motives regarding the NDIS and the effect the families and folks with disabilities she's meet in the last 12 months.
The NDIS is something she feels very strongly about (and yes I do too) and if you had really followed the NDIS from when it's was first announced to now like I have you'd know that
Those tears were real yestersday.
Sad that people don't believe it but hey what can you do
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No just laughing at the most phoney Prime minister this country has ever produced.
Ever seen her speech before U.S. Congress? She fought back tears that day too quoting directly from Bono. :ROTFL
You can trust her all you like but which Julia will you trust? :lol
A Charlatan if I've ever seen one.
I'm not fooled one little bit by her tears.
Sorry Mr Tigra, dislike the woman, despise her even hate her but never ever question her motives regarding the NDIS and the effect the families and folks with disabilities she's meet in the last 12 months.
The NDIS is something she feels very strongly about (and yes I do too) and if you had really followed the NDIS from when it's was first announced to now like I have you'd know that
Those tears were real yestersday.
Sad that people don't believe it but hey what can you do
I'm sorry WP but how exactly can you trust her or any politician 100%
Using the NDIS as a last ditch effort to save her own job and the ALP. Tears of desperation I say
As I said previously got nothing to do with the scheme more so to do with her fraudulent behaviour
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I'm sorry WP but how exactly can you trust her or any politician 100%
Using the NDIS as a last ditch effort to save her own job and the ALP. Tears of desperation I say
As I said previously got nothing to do with the scheme more so to do with her fraudulent behaviour
In principal I agree with daniel can't trust pollies been saying it for years
But this is very different, no last ditch effort here. If it was about saving her job she'd put it on hold but she hasn't because this is far bigger, far more important.
"Tears of desperation"? I don't buy it, not on this.
From personal experience I can tell you when something is as personal & important as this you can't manufacture tears. You simply can't no matter who you are.
I know there is a lot people who don't want to believe for a second those tears were genuine and part of me understands why, but in this case they were genuine no doubt about it.
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I'm sorry WP but how exactly can you trust her or any politician 100%
Using the NDIS as a last ditch effort to save her own job and the ALP. Tears of desperation I say
As I said previously got nothing to do with the scheme more so to do with her fraudulent behaviour
In principal I agree with daniel can't trust pollies been saying it for years
But this is very different, no last ditch effort here. If it was about saving her job she'd put it on hold but she hasn't because this is far bigger, far more important.
"Tears of desperation"? I don't buy it, not on this.
From personal experience I can tell you when something is as personal & important as this you can't manufacture tears. You simply can't no matter who you are.
I know there is a lot people who don't want to believe for a second those tears were genuine and part of me understands why, but in this case they were genuine no doubt about it.
Sure they were
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Doug Hawkins & Barry Michaels are running for the Senate for Clive Palmer's Palmer United Party
See:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/afl-legend-doug-hawkins-stands-for-palmer-party-20130611-2o1o8.html
Some funny stuff from Dougie ;D
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I have followed Palmer to due to his a league involvement and my conclusion is he is an absolutely cork smoker.
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Would be a good boss to work for but an absolute nutcase as a politician or worse, PM. I would vote for Pauline Hanson or Bob Katter before Palmer and that is really saying something because I can't stand those lunatics.
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haven't they given Katter some sort of nickname which identifies him as ,shall we say eccentric?
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If he wants to run Australia like he did Gold Coast United then we'll all be locked out of our own country before Australia goes under :putz.
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Can't run a minor soccer club, can't run a country.
Ego.
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Well I have no idea who to vote for in the House of Reps.
Will vote Labor if Rudd gets back in as leader and will vote Turnbull if he is Liberal head.
Won't ever vote for the Greens again. :banghead
But in the Senate I'll be voting for Julian Assange.
:cheers
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But in the Senate I'll be voting for Julian Assange.
Great choice; vote for a bloke who is too scared to come back to Aust so he runs and seeks asylum in a foreign embassy. A bloke who is to gutless to face serious criminal charges in Sweden for reasons that simply don't cut it. Says he is innocent but hasn't got the courage to fight to clear his name.
A bloke loves to sook about how badly he's been treated by Aust when he has shown it and more importantly its citizens nothing but contempt
A terrifc role model is Julian
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Couldn't have said it better myself WP. :clapping
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Julian has a girl's name but wears a blue tie
I'm so confused
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:lol
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Well I have no idea who to vote for in the House of Reps.
Will vote Labor if Rudd gets back in as leader and will vote Turnbull if he is Liberal head.
Won't ever vote for the Greens again. :banghead
But in the Senate I'll be voting for Julian Assange.
:cheers
What has made you give up on Julia 65. You've been her number one supporter all this time.
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Well I have no idea who to vote for in the House of Reps.
Will vote Labor if Rudd gets back in as leader and will vote Turnbull if he is Liberal head.
Won't ever vote for the Greens again. :banghead
But in the Senate I'll be voting for Julian Assange.
:cheers
What has made you give up on Julia 65. You've been her number one supporter all this time.
he has known for yonks that Gillard is hopeless just had to admit it to himself thats all. He'll be voting for Abbot. 65 loves supporting Winners.
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he has known for yonks that Gillard is hopeless just had to admit it to himself thats all. He'll be voting for Abbot. 65 loves supporting Winners.
Julian Assange is many things Ramps but a "winner" isn't one of them
A "whiner & loser" yes winner no
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he has known for yonks that Gillard is hopeless just had to admit it to himself thats all. He'll be voting for Abbot. 65 loves supporting Winners.
Julian Assange is many things Ramps but a "winner" isn't one of them
A "whiner & loser" yes winner no
We all whine in our own way but lets not hide from the fact that Julian is a great man.
WP your dillusional if you think otherwise.
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We all whine in our own way but lets not hide from the fact that Julian is a great man.
WP your dillusional if you think otherwise.
Julian Assange is not a great man daniel
He is many things, one of which is a coward and a sook
Great men don't hide away in foreign emabassy because they are afraid to face a demorcratic court on charges of sexual assault and use as an excuse the US govt is out to get him.
A great man wouldn't protest his innocence and refuse to try and clear his name and then sook he doesn't get to see his kids
A great man wouldn't sook that the Aust Govt hasn't helped him when by seeking political asylum he has turned his back on the very country he supposedly wants to help him
As I said this morning he shown nothing but contempt for this country but more importantly its citizens.
he isn't a great man, he is a disgrace and that's being kind
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We all whine in our own way but lets not hide from the fact that Julian is a great man.
WP your dillusional if you think otherwise.
Julian Assange is not a great man daniel
He is many things, one of which is a coward and a sook
Great men don't hide away in foreign emabassy because they are afraid to face a demorcratic court on charges of sexual assault and use as an excuse the US govt is out to get him.
A great man wouldn't protest his innocence and refuse to try and clear his name and then sook he doesn't get to see his kids
A great man wouldn't sook that the Aust Govt hasn't helped him when by seeking political asylum he has turned his back on the very country he supposedly wants to help him
As I said this morning he shown nothing but contempt for this country but more importantly its citizens.
he isn't a great man, he is a disgrace and that's being kind
In this day many rights have been stripped away from Americans under the name of 'terrorism' or saving the world from these people.
I would take American as the beacon for human rights and democratic uprightness with a grain of salt I am afraid WP.
ie -> NSA Spying Programs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/11/nsa-surveillance-us-behaving-like-china
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Here's some of the "great man's" best work from his interview on ABC1's Lateline on Monday:
"In fact, all that the so-called consular support is doing here is it's simply collecting political intelligence for Bob Carr. What it's actually about is collecting political intelligence for the minister to set up their press lines, so it's really a type of corruption where money that should be spent on actual consular support is simply spent on producing press releases for the Foreign Minister to make it look like he gives a damn about Australians. As we know, he doesn't give a damn about Australians at all. Since the 1970s he's been in bed with the US. Even as a union leader he was having multiple meetings with the US embassy . . . We elect people, we send them to Canberra to represent Australians . . . to the bureaucracy, to hold the bureaucracy to account, to represent Australian interests overseas. And yet we have people like Bob Carr and Julia Gillard representing mining industries, representing Macquarie Bank, representing their long-lost American pals . . . Jemima Khan? Seriously? This concerns a Hollywood documentary made by Universal for $2.5 million. They wanted WikiLeaks to partake in that, but we thought they were going to produce a pretty sleazy result, so we said no. In fact, the documentary team that we are working with is the same one that is now holed up in Hong Kong with (Edward) Snowden. That's Laura Poitras. Anyway, so because we went with Laura Poitras and we didn't go with Alex Gibney in the US, the result was Gibney then went to Jemima Khan and recruited her to try and bring us into that documentary process over two years ago, giving her access and an executive credit in the film. But we couldn't tolerate the film. So we attacked the film, but she was part of the film, so as a result she attacked back. I mean, it's really just -- it's nothing."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cut-paste/is-it-that-old-black-kettle-or-those-old-blue-ties-that-keep-them-tripping-on-their-tongues/story-fn72xczz-1226662091437 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cut-paste/is-it-that-old-black-kettle-or-those-old-blue-ties-that-keep-them-tripping-on-their-tongues/story-fn72xczz-1226662091437)
Yes, a great man with a great mind. ::)
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Look you are all drifting off the subject of politics.
How a bout getting back to the Julia gillard kentucky fried quail?
Small breasts, huge thighs and a big red box.
I peed myself when i heard that today.
Gee the PC correct prudes are having way to much influence. Time for a french revolution type thingy on the floppy rooster nancies
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With 5 yrs u won't be able say
Short
Fat
Black
Tall
Etc.
Too many lawyers
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The kentucky fried quail was a lawyer.
you'd think that the bottom feeders would be a bit thicker skinned
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inb4 anyone from Kentucky is offended.
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I would take American as the beacon for human rights and democratic uprightness with a grain of salt I am afraid WP.
ie -> NSA Spying Programs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/11/nsa-surveillance-us-behaving-like-china
I didn't mention the US Bents
My disgust at Assange has nothing to do with his Wikileaks crusade (use that term loosely BTW) against the US and other nations.
My issue with this person is what his actions have done to Australians and Australia. He has deliberately jeopardised the safety of innocent Australians, whether that be civilians living abroad or here, soldiers doing there job with his supposed depending how you view it "crusade for justice" or "vendetta".
Seriously what is his point exactly? What was/is he trying to achieve outside coming across as selfish, self absorbed, vindictive loose canon who's goal in life is to have people follow him and believe he is somehow making the world a better place when in fact he is doing the complete opposite.
He has done what he's done without considering all the consequences and then sooks because in his eyes his country has abandoned him, when the only person who's done the abandoning is Assange himself.
He doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself, doesn't give a crap about who he has hurt or he may hurt in the future. His sole focus has always been and will continue to be about Julian Assange
The good folk of Ecuador can have him because Australia is better off without him
He holds this great, read our great country in contempt, and for that he doesn't deserve our support let alone our sympathy
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Well I have no idea who to vote for in the House of Reps.
Will vote Labor if Rudd gets back in as leader and will vote Turnbull if he is Liberal head.
Won't ever vote for the Greens again. :banghead
But in the Senate I'll be voting for Julian Assange.
:cheers
What has made you give up on Julia 65. You've been her number one supporter all this time.
he has known for yonks that Gillard is hopeless just had to admit it to himself thats all. He'll be voting for Abbot. 65 loves supporting Winners.
I actually wasnt talking about Assange, I was just talking generally about the whole Gillard Abbot debate. Thats all.
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Rudd supposedly to challenge Gillard tomorrow.
Queensland maverick independent Bob Katter said today he'll give his vote of confidence in a Rudd-lead Government but not if Gillard remains PM.
The other independents Windsor and Oakshott have announced they aren't going to contest the upcoming election in September.
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Rudd supposedly to challenge Gillard tomorrow.
How can he challenge tomorrow when she's off to Indonesia and his off to China tomorrow :-\
ED: they are saying 9.00am
Perhaps someone can advise me on how to cast a donkey vote seeing I can't stand Rudd or Abbott ;D
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The CLP up here showed that you dont need the incumbent leader in the country to depose them, in fact it makes it easier.
The person challenging for leadership not being in the country is a different thing though
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They are saying Shorten has moved his support to the Ruddster
juicy
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Rudd supposedly to challenge Gillard tomorrow.
How can he challenge tomorrow when she's off to Indonesia and his off to China tomorrow :-\
ED: they are saying 9.00am
Perhaps someone can advise me on how to cast a donkey vote seeing I can't stand Rudd or Abbott ;D
I thought Gillard was going to Indonesia next month not tomorrow.
1965 will be devastated if Gillard who he has been praising for past 3 years gets rolled.
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They are saying Shorten has moved his support to the Ruddster
juicy
The Age now reporting Shorten hasn't
:rollin
I thought Gillard was going to Indonesia next month not tomorrow.
Is it next month for the PM going to Indonesia? Know I read yesterday Rudd is off to China to speak at a conference
tomorrow
TBBH Haven't really been following have lost interest completely, which is odd for me because I love politics
But it's become about personalities than policies especially in the last couple of months have lost interest
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They are saying Shorten has moved his support to the Ruddster
juicy
The Age now reporting Shorten hasn't
:rollin
I thought Gillard was going to Indonesia next month not tomorrow.
Is it next month for the PM going to Indonesia? Know I read yesterday Rudd is off to China to speak at a conference
tomorrow
TBBH Haven't really been following have lost interest completely, which is odd for me because I love politics
But it's become about personalities than policies especially in the last couple of months have lost interest
From memory they said she was going to Indonesia on the 3-4 July on the news the other day when she announced it.
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The big man is back awwwwwwwww geeee. Yessss Kev
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The big man is back awwwwwwwww geeee. Yessss Kev
Not yet, let's see if his so called "supporters" have the guts to go through with it seeing it is likely that it wont be a secret ballot ;D
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Gillard has called for a ALP leadership ballot at 7pm tonight. The question is will Rudd put his name up?
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/labor-leadership-live-julia-gillard-or-kevin-rudd-who-will-lead-party/story-fnho52ip-1226669921693
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jules is too slick wristed for the ruddster
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Dustin Martin has the numbers and we will have our next Richmond FC Prime Minister :gotigers
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Instead of losing 30-40 seats they'll lose about 15-25 with Rudd.
People disenchanted with current situation not wanting either major party.
Julia has destroyed the ALP.
She will go down as Australia's worst PM.
There will be a lot of Donkey votes on September 14.
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The ALP are the EFC of politics.
Kevin Rudd or the worst PM we have ever seen.
choice was easy for Shorten
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The ALP are the EFC of politics.
Kevin Rudd or the worst PM we have ever seen.
choice was easy for Shorten
Probably right daniel
Makes it easier for Shorten to become leader after the election
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Ruddster wins according to early sources. LOL. Pink Batts are Back Baby :clapping
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Indiginous round ruined by racial slur. Women's round ruined by ousting female PM.
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Rudd wins leadership ballot 57-45
:sleep :sleep
It's even Stevens now - we have 2 leaders with no policies between them
Rudd expected to call an early election in - late August they are speculating
:sleep :sleep
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Julia is out of politics?
Somebody pinch me so I know I'm not dreaming.
:birthday :gotigers :santa
:woohoo :woohoo :woohoo :woohoo :woohoo :woohoo :woohoo
:dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing
:veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy
:highclap :highclap :highfive
:dogdance :dogdance :dogdance
:ROTFL
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Hahahahahaha thank you
The witch is gone forever
What a legacy she leaves
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The ALP are the EFC of politics.
Kevin Rudd or the worst PM we have ever seen.
choice was easy for Shorten
The ALP have done it again. :clapping
:lol
The party that ousted Rudd is the party that wants him back.
:lol :lol
Shorten didn't think Rudd was any good but now he does.
:lol :lol :lol
It will be the cheapest campaign in the history of politics as we get to watch the coalition use all of the footage of the ALP big shots bagging their Knight in shining armor with some of the worst slurs I've ever heard.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
It will be excellent viewing can't wait. :rollin
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Hahahahahaha thank you
The witch is gone forever
What a legacy she leaves
She can finish her knitting.
:jump :ROTFL
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Where is '65???
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What a legacy she leaves
Would think the NDIS is bloody good legacy daniel
Might not of done much right but she got that reform, very right
Personally I'm beyond caring, have choice no between Dr No and Mr Frequent Flyer with no policies between
Terrific, just terrific TM
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Bill Shorten is like a typical hawthorn supporter.
He just supports whoever is winning at the time.
This guy is touted as the next labour leader. He will be the most distrusted leader in history.
And most certainly will be a victim of his own disloyalty.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
And he has knifed, not one, but two prime ministers.
:fencing
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And he has knifed, not one, but two prime ministers.
:fencing
Well at least he is consistent :thumbsup
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What a legacy she leaves
Would think the NDIS is bloody good legacy daniel
Might not of done much right but she got that reform, very right
Lets not forget her multiple personalities. :lol
And she's a damn good knitter.
(http://www.womensagenda.com.au//images/stories/flexicontent/l_gillard_knitting_main.jpg)
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What a legacy she leaves
Would think the NDIS is bloody good legacy daniel
Might not of done much right but she got that reform, very right
Lets not forget her multiple personalities. :lol
And she's a damn good knitter.
(http://www.womensagenda.com.au//images/stories/flexicontent/l_gillard_knitting_main.jpg)
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/1005565_584939734860332_495260954_n_zps5fc9cc1d.jpg)
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/breaking-news/photos/leadership-spill-the-best-images-from-social-media/
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I just spit my coffee all over the lounge room.
Hilarious.
:ROTFL
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There will be a lot of Donkey votes on September 14.
Nope, that's what's been the problem all along. No-one has wanted to vote for either of the Labor donkeys except for 2 asses - Windsor and Oakeshott who have proved their mettle today when it counted. Fair dinkum, Caucus couldn't get on in a schoolyard sandpit yet we handed them control of our country? Yeah, our problems were solved tonight.
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Rudd expected to call an early election in - late August they are speculating
At least it won't ruin our final series!
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At least now we might see a spread in Zoo magazine :cheers
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Bill Shorten is like a typical hawthorn supporter.
He just supports whoever is winning at the time.
This guy is touted as the next labour leader. He will be the most distrusted leader in history.
And most certainly will be a victim of his own disloyalty.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
And he has knifed, not one, but two prime ministers.
:fencing
It's the nature of politics on both sides. Bad polls equals bye bye leader. No different to the coach always getting the sack when the footy team is losing. Fraser killed off Gorton's prime ministership but it didn't stop him becoming PM just 4-5 years later. Peacock then used Fraser's own words (used against Gorton) against him when he challenged (but failed) and then along with Jeff Kennett back-stabbed Howard via a phone call. Hawke rolled Hayden on the eve of the 1983 election when Hayden was in front in the polls. Hawke then bumped Hayden up to GG as a thank you.
It's very easy to explain Shorten's thinking. Labor's internal polls showed their second Senate spot in a number of states (Qld being one of them - hello Kev and welcome back) was under threat. This second spot is usually a given for both parties (4 Senate seats in total) and it's typically the 3rd spot on each ticket that is up for grabs between Labor, Coalition and any alternative individual/party (Greens or Family First nowdays or from the past Democrats & DLP). Remember there are 6 senators voted in per state. Losing a stack of seats in the House of Reps is painful but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if a majority government has one more seat or 50 - their legislation stills gets through the lower house. It's in the Senate where bills are passed into practice. Labor wants to at least hold onto their second Senate seat in each state and then along with the Greens prevent Abbott gaining a majority in both houses. Shorten is still a relatively young man compared to his political peers and he can play the long game. He knows that within 5-10 years the wheel turns in politics and he also knows neither Rudd nor Gillard (who is now quitting politics) will still be around by then.
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It's the nature of politics on both sides. Bad polls equals bye bye leader. No different to the coach always getting the sack when the footy team is losing. Fraser killed off Gorton's prime ministership but it didn't stop him becoming PM just 4-5 years later. Peacock then used Fraser's own words (used against Gorton) against him when he challenged (but failed) and then along with Jeff Kennett back-stabbed Howard via a phone call. Hawke rolled Hayden on the eve of the 1983 election when Hayden was in front in the polls. Hawke then bumped Hayden up to GG as a thank you.
Julia as GG? Could it happen?
Was there a deal done?
Hmmmmm
:lol
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What a legacy she leaves
Would think the NDIS is bloody good legacy daniel
Might not of done much right but she got that reform, very right
Personally I'm beyond caring, have choice no between Dr No and Mr Frequent Flyer with no policies between
Terrific, just terrific TM
Your starting to sound like James Hird WP
Her legacy or lack thereof was non existent for her whole career as PM and her mistakes don't disappear because of one good policy
Your hero is finished and the country is better for it
People voted for Rudd not that imbecile and he too will get mauled but no where near as much as her
Good riddons. Maybe she can be her partners assistant in the salon or the blue oyster bar where he works
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What a legacy she leaves
Would think the NDIS is bloody good legacy daniel
Might not of done much right but she got that reform, very right
Personally I'm beyond caring, have choice no between Dr No and Mr Frequent Flyer with no policies between
Terrific, just terrific TM
Your starting to sound like James Hird WP
Her legacy or lack thereof was non existent for her whole career as PM and her mistakes don't disappear because of one good policy
Your hero is finished and the country is better for it
People voted for Rudd not that imbecile and he too will get mauled but no where near as much as her
Good riddons. Maybe she can be her partners assistant in the salon or the blue oyster bar where he works
Daniel
The phrase, once again, is Good riddance.
And Abbott is in trouble.
Rudd will ensure that Abbott does not get control of the Senate.
I don't think the negative adds against Rudd will work.
Interesting times.
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Windsor and Oakeshott :stupid are bailing out of politics.
:cheers :thumbsup :santa :birthday
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:woohoo :woohoo :woohoo
:dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing
:veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy
:highclap :highclap :highclap :highclap :highclap :highclap
:jump
:thatsgold
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I don't think the negative adds against Rudd will work.
Interesting times.
The negative adds will be a compilation of footage courtesy of the labor party with the vitriol/hatred they have for their Knight in shining armor. (Kevin '07)
It will be the easiest and cheapest campaign in political history.
:ROTFL
ALP is the Melbourne FC. of politics.
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Bill Shorten is like a typical hawthorn supporter.
He just supports whoever is winning at the time.
This guy is touted as the next labour leader. He will be the most distrusted leader in history.
And most certainly will be a victim of his own disloyalty.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
And he has knifed, not one, but two prime ministers.
:fencing
It's the nature of politics on both sides. Bad polls equals bye bye leader. No different to the coach always getting the sack when the footy team is losing. Fraser killed off Gorton's prime ministership but it didn't stop him becoming PM just 4-5 years later. Peacock then used Fraser's own words (used against Gorton) against him when he challenged (but failed) and then along with Jeff Kennett back-stabbed Howard via a phone call. Hawke rolled Hayden on the eve of the 1983 election when Hayden was in front in the polls. Hawke then bumped Hayden up to GG as a thank you.
It's very easy to explain Shorten's thinking. Labor's internal polls showed their second Senate spot in a number of states (Qld being one of them - hello Kev and welcome back) was under threat. This second spot is usually a given for both parties (4 Senate seats in total) and it's typically the 3rd spot on each ticket that is up for grabs between Labor, Coalition and any alternative individual/party (Greens or Family First nowdays or from the past Democrats & DLP). Remember there are 6 senators voted in per state. Losing a stack of seats in the House of Reps is painful but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if a majority government has one more seat or 50 - their legislation stills gets through the lower house. It's in the Senate where bills are passed into practice. Labor wants to at least hold onto their second Senate seat in each state and then along with the Greens prevent Abbott gaining a majority in both houses. Shorten is still a relatively young man compared to his political peers and he can play the long game. He knows that within 5-10 years the wheel turns in politics and he also knows neither Rudd nor Gillard (who is now quitting politics) will still be around by then.
The facts remain that Bill "we're a happy team at hawthorn" Shorten.
He said "I continue to support our Prime Minister".
That was until someone said "billy, big Kev has the numbers"
And then just like every typical whorethorn wanker I know jumps back on board the Ruddster.
You might have got away with that rubbish years ago but not this time buddy.
...and MT I read every Post you write as I value your opinion but I haven't read what your thoughts are on the joke that is the ALP. Waiting patiently.
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Bill Shorten is like a typical hawthorn supporter.
He just supports whoever is winning at the time.
This guy is touted as the next labour leader. He will be the most distrusted leader in history.
And most certainly will be a victim of his own disloyalty.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
And he has knifed, not one, but two prime ministers.
:fencing
It's the nature of politics on both sides. Bad polls equals bye bye leader. No different to the coach always getting the sack when the footy team is losing. Fraser killed off Gorton's prime ministership but it didn't stop him becoming PM just 4-5 years later. Peacock then used Fraser's own words (used against Gorton) against him when he challenged (but failed) and then along with Jeff Kennett back-stabbed Howard via a phone call. Hawke rolled Hayden on the eve of the 1983 election when Hayden was in front in the polls. Hawke then bumped Hayden up to GG as a thank you.
It's very easy to explain Shorten's thinking. Labor's internal polls showed their second Senate spot in a number of states (Qld being one of them - hello Kev and welcome back) was under threat. This second spot is usually a given for both parties (4 Senate seats in total) and it's typically the 3rd spot on each ticket that is up for grabs between Labor, Coalition and any alternative individual/party (Greens or Family First nowdays or from the past Democrats & DLP). Remember there are 6 senators voted in per state. Losing a stack of seats in the House of Reps is painful but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if a majority government has one more seat or 50 - their legislation stills gets through the lower house. It's in the Senate where bills are passed into practice. Labor wants to at least hold onto their second Senate seat in each state and then along with the Greens prevent Abbott gaining a majority in both houses. Shorten is still a relatively young man compared to his political peers and he can play the long game. He knows that within 5-10 years the wheel turns in politics and he also knows neither Rudd nor Gillard (who is now quitting politics) will still be around by then.
The facts remain that Bill "we're a happy team at hawthorn" Shorten.
He said "I continue to support our Prime Minister".
That was until someone said "billy, big Kev has the numbers"
And then just like every typical whorethorn wanker I know jumps back on board the Ruddster.
You might have got away with that rubbish years ago but not this time buddy.
...and MT I read every Post you write as I value your opinion but I haven't read what your thoughts are on the joke that is the ALP. Waiting patiently.
hahaha
id like to read a response that doesn't include how bad Abbott is rather how some can still think ALP are best placed to lead this country.
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Bill Shorten is like a typical hawthorn supporter.
He just supports whoever is winning at the time.
This guy is touted as the next labour leader. He will be the most distrusted leader in history.
And most certainly will be a victim of his own disloyalty.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
And he has knifed, not one, but two prime ministers.
:fencing
It's the nature of politics on both sides. Bad polls equals bye bye leader. No different to the coach always getting the sack when the footy team is losing. Fraser killed off Gorton's prime ministership but it didn't stop him becoming PM just 4-5 years later. Peacock then used Fraser's own words (used against Gorton) against him when he challenged (but failed) and then along with Jeff Kennett back-stabbed Howard via a phone call. Hawke rolled Hayden on the eve of the 1983 election when Hayden was in front in the polls. Hawke then bumped Hayden up to GG as a thank you.
It's very easy to explain Shorten's thinking. Labor's internal polls showed their second Senate spot in a number of states (Qld being one of them - hello Kev and welcome back) was under threat. This second spot is usually a given for both parties (4 Senate seats in total) and it's typically the 3rd spot on each ticket that is up for grabs between Labor, Coalition and any alternative individual/party (Greens or Family First nowdays or from the past Democrats & DLP). Remember there are 6 senators voted in per state. Losing a stack of seats in the House of Reps is painful but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if a majority government has one more seat or 50 - their legislation stills gets through the lower house. It's in the Senate where bills are passed into practice. Labor wants to at least hold onto their second Senate seat in each state and then along with the Greens prevent Abbott gaining a majority in both houses. Shorten is still a relatively young man compared to his political peers and he can play the long game. He knows that within 5-10 years the wheel turns in politics and he also knows neither Rudd nor Gillard (who is now quitting politics) will still be around by then.
The facts remain that Bill "we're a happy team at hawthorn" Shorten.
He said "I continue to support our Prime Minister".
That was until someone said "billy, big Kev has the numbers"
And then just like every typical whorethorn wanker I know jumps back on board the Ruddster.
You might have got away with that rubbish years ago but not this time buddy.
...and MT I read every Post you write as I value your opinion but I haven't read what your thoughts are on the joke that is the ALP. Waiting patiently.
hahaha
id like to read a response that doesn't include how bad Abbott is rather how some can still think ALP are best placed to lead this country.
Exactly. Spot on Daniel. :thumbsup
How is the ALP :lol best placed :lol :lol to lead this country? :ROTFL
I'd like to read that response....Still waiting.
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Your starting to sound like James Hird WP
Her legacy or lack thereof was non existent for her whole career as PM and her mistakes don't disappear because of one good policy
Your hero is finished and the country is better for it
People voted for Rudd not that imbecile and he too will get mauled but no where near as much as her
Good riddons. Maybe she can be her partners assistant in the salon or the blue oyster bar where he works
My hero? Please, don't insult my intelligence or my values. Yeah I have/had a hero in my life but it isn't a politician and would never been a politician
Unlike your good self who seems to base most of your political vitirol on personalities rather than the important bit POLICY; I actually assess all governments and political parties on what they do not for me but the community/scociety as a whole.
Now because your dislike (I'd say hatred but I don't think that's fair use because I dont' know) for Gillard is so strong you refuse to acknowledge any positive things that may have been done in the last 3 years.
So taking that into consideration you can say via your rant that the NDIS is not a legacy to be proud of or you dismiss it as being the only postive and that's your choice but as I have said many times before it is the single biggest and most important reform this nation has had in at least the last 30 odd years. It's significance should never be underestimated.
So forgive me if I give credit and thanks to the PM of and government of the day for having the guts to do something that should have been done along long time ago.
If you want me to list of other things that have happened that are positives I would but what's the point you'll just ignore them as it doesn't suit your agrument
BTW People voted for Rudd 5 years ago, not at the last election which IIRC was 3 years ago. 3 years ago that "imbecile" as you call her was the leader and for memory the Labor party received a slight majority of the primary vote so I think there is a case that can be made for that people did in fact vote for her.
My only hope now is the Office of PM will now receive the respect it should. Because the lack of repsect it has been shown over the last 12 months in particular is nothing short of disgraceful. We as citizens don't have "like" the person who holds the Office but we should nevertheless respect the office and its position.
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Your starting to sound like James Hird WP
Her legacy or lack thereof was non existent for her whole career as PM and her mistakes don't disappear because of one good policy
Your hero is finished and the country is better for it
People voted for Rudd not that imbecile and he too will get mauled but no where near as much as her
Good riddons. Maybe she can be her partners assistant in the salon or the blue oyster bar where he works
My hero? Please, don't insult my intelligence or my values. Yeah I have/had a hero in my life but it isn't a politician and would never been a politician
Unlike your good self who seems to base most of your political vitirol on personalities rather than the important bit POLICY; I actually assess all governments and political parties on what they do not for me but the community/scociety as a whole.
Now because your dislike (I'd say hatred but I don't think that's fair use because I dont' know) for Gillard is so strong you refuse to acknowledge any positive things that may have been done in the last 3 years.
So taking that into consideration you can say via your rant that the NDIS is not a legacy to be proud of or you dismiss it as being the only postive and that's your choice but as I have said many times before it is the single biggest and most important reform this nation has had in at least the last 30 odd years. It's significance should never be underestimated.
So forgive me if I give credit and thanks to the PM of and government of the day for having the guts to do something that should have been done along long time ago.
If you want me to list of other things that have happened that are positives I would but what's the point you'll just ignore them as it doesn't suit your agrument
BTW People voted for Rudd 5 years ago, not at the last election which IIRC was 3 years ago. 3 years ago that "imbecile" as you call her was the leader and for memory the Labor party received a slight majority of the primary vote so I think there is a case that can be made for that people did in fact vote for her.
My only hope now is the Office of PM will now receive the respect it should. Because the lack of repsect it has been shown over the last 12 months in particular is nothing short of disgraceful. We as citizens don't have "like" the person who holds the Office but we should nevertheless respect the office and its position.
WP i can easily go through a fair few of your posts and discuss the same attacks as i make of Gillard that you do of Abbott so lets not go there shall we. Your blind sighted by the truth and that our country's riches have been decimated by the ALP.
We have seen so much waste go down the toilet and until this party is run out of town it will only get worse.
I too was blinded for many years as a ALP voter due to my father heavily involved with the party, so there is hope for you and others yet to see that Abbott is a man of great character, a good family man not the sexist pig some have pointed out.
He realized work choices was a mistake and acknowledged as such. Have we seen the ALP ever apologize for their mistakes, none more so than this disgraceful showing we have seen in the past 12 months.
we deserve a better class of politician than what has been dished up from the ALP, surely most would agree with that.
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WP i can easily go through a fair few of your posts and discuss the same attacks as i make of Gillard that you do of Abbott so lets not go there shall we. Your blind sighted by the truth and that our country's riches have been decimated by the ALP.
I think you mean "blind sided by the truth" but I digrese
daniel, I admit to not liking Abbott, can't stand him and I've made that unbundantly clear and don't apologise for it. Yes I've given him whacks and alot of them. My biggest whack has been about his negativity and lack of policies as the alternate PM of this country. But when has said smoething or done something positive I have given him the credit.
Guess what I don't like Rudd either and while I am at it I didn't like Latham, Keating so please don't assume that I don't like Abbott because he is a Liberal. My dislike for certain politicians covers all sides of politics
You stated that Jula Gillard was my "hero" I took offence to that because nothing I mean absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. The hero/heroes in my life have had far great values and far greater integrity than any politician of any side of politics could ever have and that was my point.
Am I surprised by the events of yesterday not in the slightest. it was always going to happen because so many in the ALP are more worried about losing their seats than actually being prepared to fight to save them.
You say our riches have been decimated by the ALP, facts are we still have one of the strongest economies in the world.
There is a very interesting comment by an Age reader today about the state of our economy now to when John Howard was Treasurer 30 years ago and that was our debt was higher, unemployment was in double digits. They said we are in better shape now and our debt is not an issue compared to other developed countries. It was interesting read
I too was blinded for many years as a ALP voter due to my father heavily involved with the party, so there is hope for you and others yet to see that Abbott is a man of great character, a good family man not the sexist pig some have pointed out.
How condescending! "There's hope you". Please give me a break.
Despite what you think or want to beliveve I actually haven't been blinded by anything or anybody. My entire life I have made the choice on who to vote for or who not to vote for.
Can I ask which part of this comment that I wrote you didn't understand? "I actually assess all governments and political parties on what they do not for me but the community/scociety as a whole.
That is how I make my decisions, I have never based it on personalities. I've made my choice based on what is on offer to the causes I am passionate about. Sadly this upcoming election personalities come into because the leaders on offer are duds and I don't want either them as the MP of this great country
As for Abbott being a "good family man" you may want to define that.
Are you suggesting that simply because he's married and has 3 kids that makes him a good family and for those who haven't got kids that they aren't "good family men or women"? Hope that isn't the case
As for the "great character" comment. How would you really know? How would any of us really know? And how do you come up with that assertion. Would love to know
He realized work choices was a mistake and acknowledged as such. Have we seen the ALP ever apologize for their mistakes, none more so than this disgraceful showing we have seen in the past 12 months.
At what point did he realise Work Choices was a mistake exactly? For memory it certainly wasn't while he was minister in the government he was one its greatest supporters. Oh that's right it was at the last election when he realised he'd lose votes if he bought it back.
And BTW he has never acknowledged Work Choices were a Mistake(not to my knowledge anyway but will stand corrected if proven otherwise), just that they wouldn't be bought back - big difference
I reckon you could count on one hand the number of times any political party put up their collective hands and said we stuffed up.
we deserve a better class of politician than what has been dished up from the ALP, surely most would agree with that.
On this we do agree but again it should cover both sides of politics. If Barnaby Joyce is the best the Nats can come up with then they are bigger fools than Clive Palmers and Bob katters of this political world
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I want some more pink batts for my roof. I can also provide an aluminium portable otherwise known as a School Development Project for approximately $3 million. Rudds back and Labor Rules :lol
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Garrett has gone back to Midnight Oil so you'll have to pay for your own batts
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WP you seem like a well informed chap, much more than me on this subject, but like 65, i think you both have lost the plot at the minute.
I really like Abbott. Family man, has faith who has admitted his faults in the past and has daughters too so the bond is great between he and i.
He most certainly did acknowledge it was a mistake at some point earlier this year but i couldn't tell you were or when.
WP when we were under a Howard government were you as praising for our economy as you are now under the ALP.
I feel under the ALP all we have done is waste waste and waste the surplus then the LNP has to come in and fix the mess up and away we go again.
If they hadn't been so wasteful she would not have to come at us for the D Scheme. Don't get emotional either i think its her best policy(certainly not her legacy), however if there was surplus maybe they could've funded it themselves instead of wasting it on clunkers, bats, and defending blokes who use our money in return for sexual favors.
Lastly i don't know much about politics but your comment about B Joyce is very accurate. I doubt there is a bigger flog in politics.
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I want some more pink batts for my roof. I can also provide an aluminium portable otherwise known as a School Development Project for approximately $3 million. Rudds back and Labor Rules :lol
:lol
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WP when we were under a Howard government were you as praising for our economy as you are now under the ALP.
FYI - I was very resepctful of the Howard's govt financial management, the surpluses. They did a very good job; an extremely good job. But please do not lose sight of the fact that going into the 2007 election the Howard government's policies of that election was going to cut into those stock-piled surpluses. That was their stratedgy and guess what it was a very smart stratedgy on thier part.
Also, I think we shouldn't forget that the increase in the current borrowings was caused in part by the government of the day (lead by Rudd I might add not Gillard) increasing spending to stimulate the economy so we didn't go into recession. the oppostion are on record as a) voting agaisnt the stimulus measures and 2) that they have indirectly said they would let the country go into recession.
I can only imagine the whaling, sooking call it what you want of people if we had of gone into recession
I applauded them introducing the rebate on Private Health Insurance because it got people away from relying on Medicare. But at the same time was angry that they had to do it to get people to take out Private Health insurance.
I applauded them for their stance on off shore processing of illegal boat people - to many a very unpopular policy but one I agrred with.
But I was highly critical and against the introduction of the Baby Bonus and it was the Howard govt that introduced and I make no apologiese for that. And IMV it was a mistake because has been a catalyst for this middle-class welfare mentality we now have of handouts are some sort of right. Hence, the reason I've applauded the Gillard government for bringing in the chages to it, the means testing etc
So yes as I've said I reckon I'm pretty fair in giving credit where I reckon credit is due and whacks where I reckon they are deserved.
I really like Abbott. Family man, has faith who has admitted his faults in the past and has daughters too so the bond is great between he and i.
While appreciate your point about the connection you feel because you have daughters like Abbott does daniel, you failed to answer my original question.
Are you suggesting that because Abbott has children he is a good family man and those folks who don't aren't good family men, women? Like alot of people I don't have children but I reckon when it comes to family that I'm pretty good at it (well I hope I am).
I feel under the ALP all we have done is waste waste and waste the surplus then the LNP has to come in and fix the mess up and away we go again.
Although I understand why people hold this view, I think it's unfair one when you look back over history. But that debate/ discussion is for another day
If they hadn't been so wasteful she would not have to come at us for the D Scheme. Don't get emotional either i think its her best policy(certainly not her legacy), however if there was surplus maybe they could've funded it themselves instead of wasting it on clunkers, bats, and defending blokes who use our money in return for sexual favors.
I've said this many times, we as tax payers fund every thing the government does, they are called taxes. And I've was bought up to believe we all have to pay our way I rarely get upset if I have to contribute to something as important as the NDIS, the Floods levy etc. The things I believe in and that helps others
I'm assuming that you are referring to Thompson when you talk about "defending blokes who use our money in return for sexual favors" I am not sure what that's got to do with wasting tax players $$$ when no taxpayers monies are allowed to be used or have been used to help fund his defence.
If we want to talk about what's gets me mad and what I consider wasteful then let talk about these regular pay increases for pollies. If all these pollies were so concerned about the avwrage Aussie, working familes etc they wouldn't give themselves audacious pay increase every 12 months. The only real time there is true bipartisanship in politics
Lastly i don't know much about politics but your comment about B Joyce is very accurate. I doubt there is a bigger flog in politics.
Couldn't have siad it better myself
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:lol at feeling a connection just because Abbot has daughters.
Josef Fritzl had a daughter too..........
Mr Rabbit is a lying slimy turd who will put his own personal yearning for power ahead of what is good for the country.
With the hung Parliament he and his cronies had a chance to influence the politics of this country in a positive way. All they had to do was put through private members bills or make amendments to any bill put through paliment and only need a small number of independants or greens to agree and thus vote with them.
but what did he and his drogues elect to do? at every opportunity wreck havoc, even to the point of trying to ruin peoples careers for no other reason than to upset the balance of power so he could get his lecherous way.
It was either him or hockey, i cant remember now, who was asked about why they are not trying to put their bills through Parliament and they replied as opposition that was not their job?
Seriously? They are elected to paliment by the people to represent them and to hopefully govern. Most of the time the opposition don't have the opportunity to influence the way they did, and they elected to be negative counter constructive turds rather than do any good.
The bloke is scum of the highest order, but Politics is now more about image, which is why the ALP has just disposed the very hard to like Kentucky quail with smooth dr spin rudd. Not because he is a better leader, but because the public like him more and therefore perceive him to be a better option.
Many of the liberal barrackers are dirty on the two independent MPs for siding with Julia. These blokes are conservative in their leanings and represent largely conservative electorates, yet after much negotion with both Abbot and Gillard they rejected Abbot, so what does that say about him and his ability to negotiate and compromise?
In some ways it would have better if they had sided with him, because leading the country with a minority government is the hardest thing in politics to do and him bumbling inept arrogance would have most likely been highlighted and culminated in a double dissolution or vote of no confidence as he struggled to get bills through Parliament.
As it is we will have him for a full term and with a majority that allows him to ride roughshod of the gullible serfs who voted him in. Depending on how much the ALP implodes in the wake of the election, we may even get 2 or 3 terms of his political, social and economic buggery,
Daniel, will you still be singing his praises as you cop it up the lemonade and sars?
Ohh it hurts...but hes' got daughters too just like me.....
LFAO.
We certainly get the politicians we deserve.
Oh, and this
I feel under the ALP all we have done is waste waste and waste the surplus then the LNP has to come in and fix the mess up and away we go again.
you're nearly right on that. what you forgot is that next time the ALP get into power they will have to spend big to make up for all the neglect on infrastructure, health and education, and the vicious circle of underspending and overspending will continue.
Despite what the tea party lunatics like to think, government spending is the core of our economy, rightfully or wrongfully.
As for the concept of budget surpless, that's another whole rant.
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Good post al.
and defending blokes who use our money in return for sexual favors.
Are you a member of the nurses union Daniel?
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Mr Rabbit is a lying slimy turd who will put his own personal yearning for power ahead of what is good for the country.
Since when has he lied?
Did he say he was going wasn't going to bring in a carbon tax under a government he leads and then bring in a carbon tax?
Did he say he wasn't going to contest the leadership of his party and then context the leadership of his party?
Since when has he put his own personal yearning for power ahead of what good for the country?
Did he side with the greens after he told his MP's to explicitly deny they were in a power sharing deal with the greens?
Did he side with the independents and pull his pants down to get rooted up the arse to give them every demand just to gain power?
I'm no expert on politics but I know who fits the answer to those questions.
P. S. ... Now that Julia won't have a job and the bulldogs need a fiery forward she might be able to finally fulfill her promise to the "Australian people".
And if she gets sledged on field or doesn't get a free kick she can just use her now famous catch cry "misogynist!" :lol
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Despite the fact Julia Gillard isn't attractive, I find myself wanting her. Not sure what that means.
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Game on.
:lol
This election just got interesting.
Time for another Don's Party.
:cheers
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No Centrelink payments for Julia.As a taxpayer i admire her.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2hp12qo.jpg)
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Don't know if you call it lying but Abbott's been threatening bring a "no confidence" motion against the govt for months now. Said if they changed leaders he'd do it, well they changed leaders and Tony refused to do it.
So he promised the people a no confidence motion and then said nope is that lying? Wimping out? Or both :rollin :rollin
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It's been a good year with the Tiges doing well and so much to laugh at with the Demons, Dons and the labor party.
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Don't know if you call it lying but Abbott's been threatening bring a "no confidence" motion against the govt for months now. Said if they changed leaders he'd do it, well they changed leaders and Tony refused to do it.
So he promised the people a no confidence motion and then said nope is that lying? Wimping out? Or both :rollin :rollin
Grasping at straws there WP?
Kevin '07 will probably call an early election.
..well that's what the "experts" reckon anyway.
Try again. Im looking for a more substatial lie. Something more blatant think of how Julia goes about it. :thumbsup
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Gillard lacked political judgement but she was a better PM than KRudd. In time people and when the memories fade of the gender war rubbish, the peter slipper speaker situation, the issues surrounding craig thompson, and the mistakes on policy for example even one of the more minor policy mistakes - banning the entire live export cattle industry and stuffing up an entire industry instead of just banning individual slaughterhouese, when all those start to fade Gillard will find a place as Australia's first woman PM and the woman who delived DisabilityCare in particular. I think she can be most proud of this. Rudd on the other hand just has pink batts. So IMHO history will judge her much kinder than Rudd. Its why Whitlam is still much loved today, he ran a brothel of a government but today we have Medicare which he started. Its a core policy that will stand the test of time, Gillard IMO produced one of these but Rudd hasnt.
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Don't know if you call it lying but Abbott's been threatening bring a "no confidence" motion against the govt for months now. Said if they changed leaders he'd do it, well they changed leaders and Tony refused to do it.
So he promised the people a no confidence motion and then said nope is that lying? Wimping out? Or both :rollin :rollin
Grasping at straws there WP?
Kevin '07 will probably call an early election.
..well that's what the "experts" reckon anyway.
Try again. Im looking for a more substatial lie. Something more blatant think of how Julia goes about it. :thumbsup
You asked for lie or broken promise and I gave you one. All pollies lie, some are just better at hiding it than others. No grasping at straws Tony said one thing but when the acid was on he wimped out again. Lets see if can keep his promise about the boats you know stopping them and turning them around.
But I am done with politics, don't care anymore. Because the choice we have is between 2 ego driven duds with not a policy betwen them, so we really have no choice at all
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Don't know if you call it lying but Abbott's been threatening bring a "no confidence" motion against the govt for months now. Said if they changed leaders he'd do it, well they changed leaders and Tony refused to do it.
So he promised the people a no confidence motion and then said nope is that lying? Wimping out? Or both :rollin :rollin
From memory didn't Gillard say she would put the migration amendments so the Malaysia solution could happen to the floor for a vote so she would have a name of everyone who voted against it but yet she never did in the end because she didn't have the numbers. The same with Abbott's no confidence motion why put it to the floor when the independents have already publicly said they wouldn't support it.
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Grasping at straws there WP?
Kevin '07 will probably call an early election.
..well that's what the "experts" reckon anyway.
Try again. Im looking for a more substatial lie. Something more blatant think of how Julia goes about it. :thumbsup
http://www.phonytonyabbott.com/
Take your pick.
The man is a lying prick who will do and say anything to get power.
The one good thing about Rudd taking over is that it will stop Tony getting control of the Senate.
As for me I have no idea who to vote for but it will not be Tony.
Pity Turnbull hasn't the guts (or the numbers) to challenge Tony, him I could vote for.
:cheers
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Bill Shorten is like a typical hawthorn supporter.
He just supports whoever is winning at the time.
This guy is touted as the next labour leader. He will be the most distrusted leader in history.
And most certainly will be a victim of his own disloyalty.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
And he has knifed, not one, but two prime ministers.
:fencing
It's the nature of politics on both sides. Bad polls equals bye bye leader. No different to the coach always getting the sack when the footy team is losing. Fraser killed off Gorton's prime ministership but it didn't stop him becoming PM just 4-5 years later. Peacock then used Fraser's own words (used against Gorton) against him when he challenged (but failed) and then along with Jeff Kennett back-stabbed Howard via a phone call. Hawke rolled Hayden on the eve of the 1983 election when Hayden was in front in the polls. Hawke then bumped Hayden up to GG as a thank you.
It's very easy to explain Shorten's thinking. Labor's internal polls showed their second Senate spot in a number of states (Qld being one of them - hello Kev and welcome back) was under threat. This second spot is usually a given for both parties (4 Senate seats in total) and it's typically the 3rd spot on each ticket that is up for grabs between Labor, Coalition and any alternative individual/party (Greens or Family First nowdays or from the past Democrats & DLP). Remember there are 6 senators voted in per state. Losing a stack of seats in the House of Reps is painful but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if a majority government has one more seat or 50 - their legislation stills gets through the lower house. It's in the Senate where bills are passed into practice. Labor wants to at least hold onto their second Senate seat in each state and then along with the Greens prevent Abbott gaining a majority in both houses. Shorten is still a relatively young man compared to his political peers and he can play the long game. He knows that within 5-10 years the wheel turns in politics and he also knows neither Rudd nor Gillard (who is now quitting politics) will still be around by then.
The facts remain that Bill "we're a happy team at hawthorn" Shorten.
He said "I continue to support our Prime Minister".
That was until someone said "billy, big Kev has the numbers"
And then just like every typical whorethorn wanker I know jumps back on board the Ruddster.
You might have got away with that rubbish years ago but not this time buddy.
...and MT I read every Post you write as I value your opinion but I haven't read what your thoughts are on the joke that is the ALP. Waiting patiently.
You'll find regarding Shorten, it was the other way round. Rudd didn't have the numbers for sure until Shorten switched (Penny Wong was another high profile Gillard supporter to switch). Shorten sat down with Rudd either Monday or Tuesday.
I do find people arcing up over leadership changes quite amusing. We have a Westminster political system and as much as people find it hard to accept, you do NOT get to vote for the leader of any party. You only get to vote to elect your local MP to the House of Reps plus 6 senators (12 if there's a double dissolution). The MPs and Senators who belong to particular party (that party's Caucus) then determine that party's leader. That's the system we've had for the past 112 years since Federation. There is NO mention of either the position of Prime Minister nor Cabinet in our Constitution. We don't have a Presidential system where the leader is "voted by the people, for the people". If you don't like the system and think this is a "joke" then you should be out there advocating Constitutional change/reform which is something we do need. It's the costly elephant in the room for a number of reasons. If you voted against the Republic in 1999 and voted to stick with the current system then you have no right to whinge about it. You voted for it!
As for Labor - they'll lose the upcoming election obviously so as I said this was done to save as much of the furniture and to attempt to stop the Coalition gaining control of both houses. We all know what happened last time that happened (Workchoices introduced without a mandate ... ummm that was a lie wasn't it by Abbott's definition and he was apart of that Government :whistle ). You can't trust any politician.
If you want a joke there's the Coalition's broadband policy - you get two tin cans connected by a piece of copper wire while we as taxpayers will pay $29 billion for a broadband service that doesn't reach us unless we individually fork out a further $6000 :rollin. That's the issue for me - policies. Labor has had its duds (pink bats, promising a surplus when it didn't need to :facepalm) and poorly sold to public the good ones but despite all the shananigans though, the country is still in strong shape - a growing economy, low unemployment, low interest rates, low debt and AAA rating. Of the very few major Lib policies that we have some actual detail about, they are all duds. There's Abbott's parental leave tax on business. The so-called 'direct' action plan where we subsidise polluters/emitters to the tune of $1300 each without any guarantee nor mechanism to actually lower emissions. Isn't that just another new tax? The irony is the actual Carbon Tax isn't really a major issue anymore - it's more the broken promise that nailed Gillard. What's actually embarrassing for Labor is those behind the scenes who are meant to be election strategists don't no how to explain nor fight for their policies and overall record and against Abbott's. As a relative said to me, it's an indictment on Labor right now that a moron like Abbott will become PM. I would say that's another reason that swayed Labor MPs back to Rudd. He's shown in the past to be an effective election campaigner unlike Gillard. It won't save Labor but it might save some seats particularly in the Senate.
Btw Tigra & daniel, a question for you guys - Do you get (or have in the past been) paid any penalty rates?
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Not since about 2005, your point is MT.
I'm self employed but my wife is on mat leave and operates under the penalty rates system and if it gets abolished well so be it i wont be complaining.
Small businesses are doing it tough also and a move on penalty rates might help that sector. It may also lift employment as they can now pay wages that they previously couldn't.
We are in a good shape but guess what we were in a better shape under a coalition government. Low rates is hardly a win all round. Low rates means the economy is slowing and not all people benefit.
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Mr Rabbit is a lying slimy turd who will put his own personal yearning for power ahead of what is good for the country.
Since when has he lied?
Did he say he was going wasn't going to bring in a carbon tax under a government he leads and then bring in a carbon tax?
Did he say he wasn't going to contest the leadership of his party and then context the leadership of his party?
Since when has he put his own personal yearning for power ahead of what good for the country?
Did he side with the greens after he told his MP's to explicitly deny they were in a power sharing deal with the greens?
Did he side with the independents and pull his pants down to get rooted up the arse to give them every demand just to gain power?
I'm no expert on politics but I know who fits the answer to those questions.
P. S. ... Now that Julia won't have a job and the bulldogs need a fiery forward she might be able to finally fulfill her promise to the "Australian people".
And if she gets sledged on field or doesn't get a free kick she can just use her now famous catch cry "misogynist!" :lol
Now, 65 has given you a link to a site dedictaed to this subject, and ill give you a few direct examples shortly.
But first I'd very interested to know your thinking behind how pointing out that Abbot didnt do what someone else did, somehow is as argument that he is a good bloke?
You do understand that what Gillard did, or didn't do has absolutely no bearing on what abbot did, or didnt do, and vica versa? One does not negate the other, or make it acceptable
This sort of thinking actually highlights why most politicians hold and treat the voters with utter contempt. When someone points out a politician's lies and deceit, those that barrack for that side will steadfastly defend that politician by pointing out the lies and deceit of a politician for the other club. People are so wrapped up in their team that they just don't care what they do, as long as they can hang it on the the other team's players.
The ALP really dont care what people like you think of them, because you will never vote for them. The libs on the other hand think it is great that no matter how low they sink, they know that they can always count on your vote.
This works the other way with blind unthinking ALP barrackers too.
As for the swinging voters, well they see everyone doing it, so becomes a moot point, and we get politicians that will continue to lie to our faces and treat us with contempt.
As i said we get the politicians we deserve. Until the masses start turning away from the two major parties in droves, by either voting for smaller alternate parties, independents, donkey voting or even better simple not turning up to vote all, this will only get worse.
As for examples of Phoney Tony lying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmEULgdZI2A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRouoxpF7S0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCT76sqo0bI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHALYgOQKzk
the full interview with abbot from the first link is a doozey. highlights just how inept our next prime minster is under pressure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShxmO4C6m0M
and probably the best clip that came up in the side box of one of these links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9JGQD-82zY
I understsand that sometimes people change their mind on things. In fact it is good that when circumstances change or new facts become known people change their mind rather than stick with some dogmatic view, but abbot will say what he wants when he wants and then just keeps digging deeper and deeper when he is caught out
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I like what I have seen from Rudd so far.
At least he has forced the Libs to talk about policy.
Might just have won my vote.
:cheers
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Even if Kevin doesn't win there will be a renewal for the Labor party.
There are seven ministers who will not recontest their safe seats.
This is an opportunity to get some much needed new blood into the party.
Interesting times.
:cheers
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All the Abbott lovers have gone quiet.
:lol
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As I said in a previous post, I am happy to provide aluminium portables to the Education Revolution for $3 million a piece not inclusive of electrical or plumbing work. I also feel short changed with the amount of insulation they provided under the scheme so I should have more or maybe I shouldnt considering some peoples houses burnt down. Go Ruddy ;D
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All the Abbott lovers have gone quiet.
:lol
Nah, just no need to say anything. Nothings changed except the hair colour. ;D
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Putting aside the evident flaws of the current government, does anyone here actually think a Abbott led liberal government will be any good for the country? If so, how?
Or is it just a matter of voting liberal to out the alp?
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Abbott will be assassinated, which will add interest to our historical narrative
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Nah, just no need to say anything. Nothings changed except the hair colour. ;D
And the polls or hadn't you noticed.
:lol
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All the Abbott lovers have gone quiet.
:lol
I'm inclined to wait and see what actual policy changes Rudd makes.
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All the Abbott lovers have gone quiet.
:lol
I'm inclined to wait and see what actual policy changes Rudd makes.
Apart from the Carbon Tax and turning it into a ETS early than what we were going to get under the currentl Carbon Tax regime. I doubt he will change very much policy wise TBH.
The only change is that with, Kevin being Kevin, he will take all the credit for the good policy and distance himself from the not so good. He's already said he will go ahead with the Goneski education reforms and the NDIS trialling started across Australia today so he wont touch that.
So as I said I doubt that much will change
Negativity will fight negativity now :sleep :sleep :sleep
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All the Abbott lovers have gone quiet.
:lol
I'm inclined to wait and see what actual policy changes Rudd makes.
Apart from the Carbon Tax and turning it into a ETS early than what we were going to get under the currentl Carbon Tax regime. I doubt he will change very much policy wise TBH.
The only change is that with, Kevin being Kevin, he will take all the credit for the good policy and distance himself from the not so good. He's already said he will go ahead with the Goneski education reforms and the NDIS trialling started across Australia today so he wont touch that.
So as I said I doubt that much will change
Negativity will fight negativity now :sleep :sleep :sleep
Moving the carbon tax into a ETS will create a budget blow out due to the compensation being set for a price which was ridiculously over priced compared to the EU's. ALP have got away for far to long with claiming the issue around compensation being cut will only happen if Abbott becomes PM.
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All the Abbott lovers have gone quiet.
:lol
Nah, just no need to say anything. Nothings changed except the hair colour. ;D
Absolute GOLD Smokey!! :rollin :rollin :lol :thatsgold
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Game On...
A Labor election win is no longer preposterous
By ABC's Barrie Cassidy
Kevin Rudd has brought Labor back from the brink of electoral defeat into a competitive position, and Tony Abbott will need to respond with more than just a demand that an election be held immediately, writes Barrie Cassidy.
How close will the federal election be?
Look at it this way. If the first polls after the elevation of Kevin Rudd represent the high water mark, then Tony Abbott and the Coalition will win.
But if it's not - if Rudd and Labor can improve on that first blush result, however slightly - then the Government will win.
In other words, there is an awful lot riding on that basic and unproven assumption that it will not get any better than this for Rudd.
The practical and psychological hurdle for Labor is that it must win seats - five at least - to form government in its own right.
That seemed preposterous just over a week ago. But not anymore.
The combined polls through last week suggest a turnaround in the two-party preferred vote of 7 per cent or more in the seats-rich states of NSW and Queensland.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-05/cassidy-how-close-will-the-election-be/4799892
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All the Abbott lovers have gone quiet.
:lol
Nah, just no need to say anything. Nothings changed except the hair colour. ;D
Absolute GOLD Smokey!! :rollin :rollin :lol :thatsgold
x 2 just waiting for the next labor thing to laugh at
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Abbott running scared?
Three word slogans are no longer going to win him this election.
Unscripted Abbott comes across as a fool.
from the same article...
The biggest single indication of how the political dynamics have changed is Abbott's refusal to debate Rudd unless Parliament is recalled or an election date announced. Ordinarily, an opposition leader is the one making the challenge, keen to share the platform and the leadership status with the incumbent. But not this time.
Rudd's tactic has been especially audacious by allowing Abbott to debate the issues that he has run most strongly on in the past: asylum seekers, the carbon tax, and debt and deficit.
Given Abbott's reluctance, it would not be surprising if Rudd eventually offered his opponent three debates during the formal campaign, American style, focussing separately on general issues, the economy and foreign policy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-05/cassidy-how-close-will-the-election-be/4799892
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and wait there's more...
Now let me get this right, Rudd wants a debate on policy because he (Rudd) has no policies?
Now I have heard everything.
If you believe that you should go barrack for Essendon.
:lol
Tony Abbott rejects calls for a debate from Kevin Rudd
TONY Abbott has rejected fresh calls from Labor to hold a debate next week at the National Press Club, claiming Kevin Rudd was indulging in a stunt because he had no policy platform.
The Prime Minister this morning escalated his demands for an economic debate in Canberra next Thursday, saying he had booked the NPC and will be there whether Mr Abbott decides to attend or not.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/tony-abbott-rejects-calls-for-a-debate-from-kevin-rudd/story-fnho52ip-1226674249831#ixzz2Y8QZzMP8
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Abbott will be assassinated, which will add interest to our historical narrative
bad luck - NSA is watching u now
(http://intellihub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/troll-the-nsa.jpg)
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Putting Rudd back as PM is all about the fight for seats in Qld and sandbagging ALP seats elsewhere. The Libs/Nats on the other hand want to win seats in NSW & Vic while holding most of their Qld gains from 2010.
blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2013/07/01/when-wholes-are-less-than-sums-of-the-parts/
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WTF?
How does Abbott get off this when Slipper is charged by the Feds?
Tony Abbott blames Labor dirt campaign for questions over expenses
By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has accused Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of organising a dirt campaign against him over an incorrect claim for travel expenses.
Mr Abbott has had to repay more than $9,000 in taxpayer funding, including the use of official "comcars", which was spent on travel to promote his book Battlelines in 2009.
Controversial former Liberal National Party MP Peter Slipper has complained about the case because he is facing legal action over travel expense claims of less than $1,000.
"No credit to justice when cases are treated differently. Abbotts amt was $9400 and he has been let off," Mr Slipper, who now sits as an independent, posted on Twitter yesterday.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/tony-abbott-says-labor-dirt-campaign-behind-questions-over-expe/4808492
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EvjL-fLK0g
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WTF
Is Rudd doing, patting a disabled woman on the head like she was a dog is disgraceful.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/prime-minister-kevin-rudd-is-under-fire-after-he-was-filmed-patting-the-head-of-a-disabled-woman-on-730-report/story-fni0cx12-1226677298993
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More lies from the Libs.
Coalition's $15b carbon price claim 'mostly false'
The Coalition's claim that moving swiftly to a floating carbon price would cost the budget up to $15 billion has been rated "mostly false" by the fact-checking service PolitiFact, which partners with Fairfax Media from today.
During the 40 days leading up to the election, PolitiFact will publish a checked fact a day on The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and The National Times websites.
The claim the change would mean "a black hole of up to $15 billion in the budget" was made by shadow treasurer Joe Hockey on the Channel Seven Sunrise program on Friday, June 28, two days after Kevin Rudd retook the Labor Party leadership.
Now at $24.15 a tonne, Australia's carbon price was set to plummet to the European price (currently $6 a tonne) on July 1, 2015.
Advertisement
Doing it two years earlier "could have a $15 billion impact on the government's revenue over the forward estimates", according to the Coalition's climate change spokesman Greg Hunt, who provided the figures used by Mr Hockey.
"Forward estimates" is budget terminology for the current financial year plus the next three. But this impact would be over two years because the fixed carbon price was set to end in July 2015 in any event.
Mr Hunt's office said it arrived at the $15 billion figure using Table 3.2.7 of the Clean Energy Regulator's budget statement, which showed the government expected to receive $8.34 billion from the carbon tax this financial year and $9.27 billion the next. The cost to the budget from a much lower carbon price of $6.50 would be $6.1 billion this financial year and $6.9 billion the next, by that reasoning. It was not quite the $15 billion claimed by Mr Hockey, but it was close.
But the figures Mr Hunt relied on applied to gross income from the sale of carbon permits. The net income, listed in the same table, was much lower because more than 40 per cent of the permits were given away. The gross income was a notional rather than actual figure, since a huge chunk of it would never be received. And what will not be received cannot be lost.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalitions-15b-carbon-price-claim-mostly-false-20130714-2py81.html#ixzz2Z3g9DY7W
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Disabled people are humans too Rudd
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here doggy.
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Abbott shown up to be the moron he is.
Take him away from his 3 word slogans and he flounders.
Abbott hit by backlash
Date July 16, 2013
Tony Abbott's insistence that Labor's emissions trading scheme is an expensive exercise in buying and selling an ''invisible substance'' has drawn derision from climate experts and industry.
As the Rudd government prepares to detail a path from the carbon tax to an ETS a year earlier than scheduled, the Opposition Leader faces claims he is treading his own path back to the ''politics of climate denial and scepticism''.
Imagine Tony Abbott at an international meeting talking to Barack Obama and David Cameron.
Mr Abbott's assertion that an ETS - to be introduced on July 1, 2014, as the government will announce on Tuesday - was a ''so-called market in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one'' sparked an immediate backlash, with critics pointing out that former Liberal prime minister John Howard designed a similar scheme.
Professor Richard Dennis, an economist at the Australian National University, said Mr Abbott should make it clear whether he thinks radiation was harmful or not.
''The notion that something now has to be visible to be valuable or harmful is an entirely new concept in Australian politics and one that will concern and confuse many,'' he said.
''If Tony Abbott is concerned about people paying for invisible things, then anyone who owns intellectual property should be very concerned, likewise people in the futures and financial derivatives market.''
Martijn Wilder, a climate change lawyer at global law firm Baker & McKenzie, said: ''You might not be able to see carbon dioxide but that doesn't mean you shouldn't regulate it.
''An emissions trading scheme is a market for trading permits to pollute. It's no different to trading water licences. An ETS is something that is what the Howard government proposed and what is in existence to differing degrees in Europe, China, California and Korea. [The Coalition scheme] Direct Action is a similar tool.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-hit-by-backlash-20130715-2q0dw.html#ixzz2Z9OnbFYK
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1965 you don't need to post daily negative articles about Abbott none of us on here will confuse you for a liberal voter.
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1965 you don't need to post daily negative articles about Abbott none of us on here will confuse you for a liberal voter.
And if you want us to read your articles then go hunting for other sources of information than the biased leftist dribble delivered ad nauseum by The Age and the ABC.
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i want to see kev doing more disabled people doggy
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I don't. :gobdrop
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Rudd is a war hero
Just like bush
:cheers
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Kevin Rudd axes carbon tax in favour of Emissions Trading Scheme
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/kevin-rudd-axes-carbon-tax-in-favour-of-emissions-trading-scheme/story-fnho52ip-1226680043190#ixzz2ZE8nJvUS
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i want to see kev doing more disabled people doggy
LMFAO
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Tony Abbott is an Australian hero....
(http://www.mamamia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/tony-abbott-family-2.jpg)
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Hear, here Mr Speaker....
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Abbott shown up to be the moron he is.
Take him away from his 3 word slogans and he flounders.
Abbott hit by backlash
Date July 16, 2013
Tony Abbott's insistence that Labor's emissions trading scheme is an expensive exercise in buying and selling an ''invisible substance'' has drawn derision from climate experts and industry.
As the Rudd government prepares to detail a path from the carbon tax to an ETS a year earlier than scheduled, the Opposition Leader faces claims he is treading his own path back to the ''politics of climate denial and scepticism''.
Imagine Tony Abbott at an international meeting talking to Barack Obama and David Cameron.
Mr Abbott's assertion that an ETS - to be introduced on July 1, 2014, as the government will announce on Tuesday - was a ''so-called market in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one'' sparked an immediate backlash, with critics pointing out that former Liberal prime minister John Howard designed a similar scheme.
Professor Richard Dennis, an economist at the Australian National University, said Mr Abbott should make it clear whether he thinks radiation was harmful or not.
''The notion that something now has to be visible to be valuable or harmful is an entirely new concept in Australian politics and one that will concern and confuse many,'' he said.
''If Tony Abbott is concerned about people paying for invisible things, then anyone who owns intellectual property should be very concerned, likewise people in the futures and financial derivatives market.''
Martijn Wilder, a climate change lawyer at global law firm Baker & McKenzie, said: ''You might not be able to see carbon dioxide but that doesn't mean you shouldn't regulate it.
''An emissions trading scheme is a market for trading permits to pollute. It's no different to trading water licences. An ETS is something that is what the Howard government proposed and what is in existence to differing degrees in Europe, China, California and Korea. [The Coalition scheme] Direct Action is a similar tool.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-hit-by-backlash-20130715-2q0dw.html#ixzz2Z9OnbFYK
Not sure what is worse - Abbott's scientific illiteracy or that he's clearly not aware of the trading of derivatives on the stockmarket :facepalm.
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WOW
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This is a game changer
Abbott is history
:cheers
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He IS George. W. Bush !
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Tony Abbott is an Australian hero....
(http://www.mamamia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/tony-abbott-family-2.jpg)
That's nice, obviously a quality person
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
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This is a game changer
Abbott is history
:cheers
Purely a political decision by Rudd but hopefully it should at least saves us from hearing "stop the boats" every 5 seconds from Abbott :sleep. Then again Abbott is stupid enough to keep rabbiting on with it even though it's been neutralised as an election issue now.
Leadership talk now switches to the Libs given the latest polls. Rudd better get the writs to the GG a.s.a.p. so the Libs can't dump Abbott for Turnbull (which would give the Coalition a certain victory). Abbott remaining Liberal leader is Labor's best (and only) chance. Tipping an August 31 election now.
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This is a game changer
Abbott is history
:cheers
Purely a political decision by Rudd but hopefully it should at least saves us from hearing "stop the boats" every 5 seconds from Abbott :sleep. Then again Abbott is stupid enough to keep rabbiting on with it even though it's been neutralised as an election issue now.
Leadership talk now switches to the Libs given the latest polls. Rudd better get the writs to the GG a.s.a.p. so the Libs can't dump Abbott for Turnbull (which would give the Coalition a certain victory). Abbott remaining Liberal leader is Labor's best (and only) chance. Tipping an August 31 election now.
Turnbull doesn't have any real chance of becoming leader. He performed abysmal against Rudd last time.
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Libs aren't dumb enough to do the leadership roulette game
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This is a game changer
Abbott is history
:cheers
Purely a political decision by Rudd but hopefully it should at least saves us from hearing "stop the boats" every 5 seconds from Abbott :sleep. Then again Abbott is stupid enough to keep rabbiting on with it even though it's been neutralised as an election issue now.
Leadership talk now switches to the Libs given the latest polls. Rudd better get the writs to the GG a.s.a.p. so the Libs can't dump Abbott for Turnbull (which would give the Coalition a certain victory). Abbott remaining Liberal leader is Labor's best (and only) chance. Tipping an August 31 election now.
Turnbull doesn't have any real chance of becoming leader. He performed abysmal against Rudd last time.
Recycling is back in fashion in Aussie politics ;D. Polls do funny things to political parties on both sides :yep.
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I reckon the ALP and Rudd have played the politics of the 'Boat refugee's' perfectly. Wedge politics at it's best, only this time they wedged the Greens and LP in one fell swoop. I also happen to believe that it is a good all-round policy...... all things considered.
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
Sorry been busy.
I can tell you one thing I stand for...
A solution that will stop people dying at sea.
:cheers
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65, you were asked a direct question which wasn't about the boats
Stop deflecting and answer the question
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
Sorry been busy.
I can tell you one thing I stand for...
A solution that will stop people dying at sea.
:cheers
As long as that solution is put forth by the ALP though.
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For me the differences between the ALP and Libs is more about perception,in essence their differences are miniscule.
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it does seem that way, but there are some poignant philosophical differences
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Al I agree with you,but all this takes a back seat to 1) winning an election
2) to not getting public opinion offside
These are the 2 overriding principles I feel modern political parties let dictate their behaviour. Their grass roots philosophies aint worth jack when these 2 factors come into play
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true.
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Al I agree with you,but all this takes a back seat to 1) winning an election
2) to not getting public opinion offside
These are the 2 overriding principles I feel modern political parties let dictate their behaviour. Their grass roots philosophies aint worth jack when these 2 factors come into play
Yep it's become an ever decreasing feedback loop.
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so where does the average punter look for inspiration ?
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30% of people under 25 in the NT are not even enrolled to vote.....and they wonder why?
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Al I wonder what would happen if they stopped compulsory voting.
would we become like the US where on average only about 30% of the voting eligible public vote
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Im an advocate for non compulsory voting, but with politicians wages linked to the number of votes they receive.
People that dont really care shouldnt be forced to vote as they end up making their decisions based on lame arsed logic (for want of a better word).
both sides probably have similar numbers of blind followers who would still vote so they probably cancel each other out and election results would be based largely on those making informed decisions, in theory anyway.
perhaps if politicians were forced to inspire people to actually vote for them rather than simply having to decide between the lesser of two ( some would argue 3 )evils we may end up with someone decent running the country
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just trying to think which politician has inspired me in the last 30 years..Hmm only 2 come to mind and they both had faults.
one is jeff kennet
andf the other is michail gorbachov.
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:lol
our local independent MLA is pretty good
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Tony Abbott is an Australian hero....
(http://www.mamamia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/tony-abbott-family-2.jpg)
Bring on Oktoberfest :cheers
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Word is Krudd is already dipping in the polls, wonder if the ALP will bring in a new leader before the election
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
Sorry been busy.
I can tell you one thing I stand for...
A solution that will stop people dying at sea.
:cheers
We had one. Shame on the morons who thought they knew better and dismantled it. A thousand souls would probably beg to differ with their 'wisdom'.
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
Sorry been busy.
I can tell you one thing I stand for...
A solution that will stop people dying at sea.
:cheers
We had one. Shame on the morons who thought they knew better and dismantled it. A thousand souls would probably beg to differ with their 'wisdom'.
You are a fool if you actually believe that crap.
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
Sorry been busy.
I can tell you one thing I stand for...
A solution that will stop people dying at sea.
:cheers
We had one. Shame on the morons who thought they knew better and dismantled it. A thousand souls would probably beg to differ with their 'wisdom'.
You are a fool if you actually believe that crap.
Why? It was in place and operating effectively. (now waiting for a diatribe on the Tampa)
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
Sorry been busy.
I can tell you one thing I stand for...
A solution that will stop people dying at sea.
:cheers
We had one. Shame on the morons who thought they knew better and dismantled it. A thousand souls would probably beg to differ with their 'wisdom'.
You are a fool if you actually believe that crap.
Believe what? That we had a solution that was working or that a thousand souls have been lost?
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
Sorry been busy.
I can tell you one thing I stand for...
A solution that will stop people dying at sea.
:cheers
We had one. Shame on the morons who thought they knew better and dismantled it. A thousand souls would probably beg to differ with their 'wisdom'.
You are a fool if you actually believe that crap.
Why? It was in place and operating effectively. (now waiting for a diatribe on the Tampa)
I don't think I'm a fool and I agree with Smokey & tiga, we had a policy that worked, Howard and his govt got it right. the ALP under Rudd got it wrong when they dismantled it
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Have a read and learn some facts.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886792.html
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1965 do you actually stand for anything or do you only hold anti-Abbott views. You seem to fit the latter to me.
You'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one T101. 65 is all Egress.
Sorry been busy.
I can tell you one thing I stand for...
A solution that will stop people dying at sea.
:cheers
We had one. Shame on the morons who thought they knew better and dismantled it. A thousand souls would probably beg to differ with their 'wisdom'.
You are a fool if you actually believe that crap.
Why? It was in place and operating effectively. (now waiting for a diatribe on the Tampa)
I don't think I'm a fool and I agree with Smokey & tiga, we had a policy that worked, Howard nad his govt got it right. the ALP under Rudd got it wrong when they dismantled it
If Rudd had his time over again even he wouldn't dismantle it only the truly rusted on such as 65 would argue over this.
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Have a read and learn some facts.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886792.html
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Have a read and learn some facts.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886792.html
Lol. More facts from that bastion of objective and unbiased reporting - our ABC. :lol
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They are probably more objective than any commercial media, but what the article says is that under howards policy less asylum people arrived by boat and more by air. So the policy was successful at stopping people getting into leaky boats for a dangerous journey and therefore dying at sea, which is what 65 asked for.
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They are probably more objective than any commercial media,
We will have to agree to disagree with that one Al. I believe they are nothing more than a mouthpiece for Leftist dogma - at least you will get some articles espousing both sides of politics in the private media, even if the particular organisation generally leans one way or the other.
but what the article says is that under howards policy less asylum people arrived by boat and more by air. So the policy was successful at stopping people getting into leaky boats for a dangerous journey and therefore dying at sea, which is what 65 asked for.
And yet '65 argues that Howard's policy didn't work. Go figure.
Here's a fact that is relevant to me, regardless of which side of politics you support:
Almost every single refugee that arrives here does so after passing through other countries first. As soon as a refugee transits through 1 or more countries before arriving at a final destination then they have ceased to become a refugee in my eyes and are nothing more than a queue-jumping country shopper, and are deserving of no preferential or priority treatment. A genuine refugee fleeing political or religious persecution does not need to continue a journey through several countries who are UN member states and are signatories to the UNHCR Refugee Convention. Why should we compromise our national security and increase the burden on our economy to assist people who choose to break the legal and moral barriers to live here? I have no problem with admitting people from any country in the world and our country is certainly far richer for the multi-cultural influences we have but I refuse to accept that we must cut corners and lower standards for checking the bona-fides of any immigrant. We owe this to ourselves and our children who will inherit this country after we have passed on. We don't owe Indonesia, Malaysia, PNG, Nauru or any other neighbouring country a damned thing when it comes to looking after our self-interests first.
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Here's a fact that is relevant to me, regardless of which side of politics you support:
Almost every single refugee that arrives here does so after passing through other countries first. As soon as a refugee transits through 1 or more countries before arriving at a final destination then they have ceased to become a refugee in my eyes and are nothing more than a queue-jumping country shopper, and are deserving of no preferential or priority treatment. A genuine refugee fleeing political or religious persecution does not need to continue a journey through several countries who are UN member states and are signatories to the UNHCR Refugee Convention. Why should we compromise our national security and increase the burden on our economy to assist people who choose to break the legal and moral barriers to live here? I have no problem with admitting people from any country in the world and our country is certainly far richer for the multi-cultural influences we have but I refuse to accept that we must cut corners and lower standards for checking the bona-fides of any immigrant. We owe this to ourselves and our children who will inherit this country after we have passed on. We don't owe Indonesia, Malaysia, PNG, Nauru or any other neighbouring country a damned thing when it comes to looking after our self-interests first.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
Well said Smokey, well said
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Brilliant Smokey :clapping :clapping :clapping
I think you just schooled the schoolie! ;D
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Let them in
Sif we don't have enough room
Rudd wants votes nothing more
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Another interesting read
Right has twigged that Abbott may be on shaky ground
Date July 24, 2013
Alan Stokes
Oh be still my bleeding heart!
As a compassionate person, I am not supposed to find joy in the misery of others. But I regret it has been satisfying to watch the compliant commentariat of the right squirm as they see the certainty of an Abbott government vanish before their eyes.
Besides the shock, a Kevin Rudd victory would force the Liberals to accept Malcolm Turnbull as leader and remake their party.
No wonder Rudd scares the wits out of the anti-Labor media lackeys and the business-funded think-tanks. It is not because Rudd will deliver government to the leftie bovver boys or the inner-city elites; it's because he will not.
Should Rudd fulfil his promises on asylum (that's possible), education (probable), the economy (yep) and crucially, party reform (good starts but needs to do more), he will have an impressive mandate.
The right knows Rudd plans to redefine what Labor represents, just as Tony Blair did with New Labour which denied the British conservatives power for almost a generation. Here, Rudd threatens to destroy the business model of the anti-Labor rhetoricians and their Coalition heroes.
If Rudd succeeds and Abbott loses the unloseable election, issues will have to be assessed on their merits, not through the distorted left-right, elite-egalitarian prism so popular in some circles.
Shifting discourse into the middle where most Australians reside would disenfranchise the vested interests and their cheer squads.
The right commentariat celebrations about Julia Gillard's demise had barely subsided when it dawned on them: Rudd poses a much greater threat.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/right-has-twigged-that-abbott-may-be-on-shaky-ground-20130723-2qhfc.html#ixzz2ZvXuUtAD
Edited: No need for the cheap shot (read snipe) 1965
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I pretty much stand in the middle of the political spectrum.but was just wondering whether the ABC appears left because just about every other media outlet is to the right of centre.People call the AGE a left leaning publication ,but I struggle to find another.
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Both major parts are fairly right
Not far off fascism if palmer or Hansen get in
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Do we have left and right anymore,or do people care more about issues.On say they boat people they might appear left leaning but on economic issues they might appear more to the right.I wonder whether today people think more about individual issues rather than have the convenience of one size fits all
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I pretty much stand in the middle of the political spectrum.but was just wondering whether the ABC appears left because just about every other media outlet is to the right of centre.People call the AGE a left leaning publication ,but I struggle to find another.
The ABC doesn't 'appear' Left G, it is completely Left and especially so in the TV sector. All their news and panel shows are almost completely staffed by Left-leaning commentators and it spoils what should be vibrant and healthy 2-sided debate on national issues not tainted by vested private interests. As for print, the Courier Mail in Brisbane also leans to the Left but has a loud enough slice of the Right to provide a balance if you go digging. I agree with you on the Age and I have a memory that the Hun used to lean the other way but I don't read enough of it nowadays to have a valid opinion.
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Do we have left and right anymore,or do people care more about issues.On say they boat people they might appear left leaning but on economic issues they might appear more to the right.I wonder whether today people think more about individual issues rather than have the convenience of one size fits all
I tend to agree with this observation - my perception is that the swinging vote is larger now than it ever was in my younger days. It all seemed to fragment around the time that Don Chipp formed the Democrats and the Greens became a force.
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IMO labour right
liberal far right
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I pretty much stand in the middle of the political spectrum.but was just wondering whether the ABC appears left because just about every other media outlet is to the right of centre.People call the AGE a left leaning publication ,but I struggle to find another.
The ABC doesn't 'appear' Left G, it is completely Left and especially so in the TV sector. All their news and panel shows are almost completely staffed by Left-leaning commentators and it spoilus what should be vibrant and healthy 2-sided debate on national issues not tainted by vested private interests. As for print, the Courier Mail in Brisbane also leans to the Left but has a loud enough slice of the Right to provide a balance if you go digging. I agree with you on the Age and I have a memory that the Hun used to lean the other way but I don't read enough of it nowadays to have a valid opinion.
If the ABC is slightly left it is far outwayed by almost all media and political party that is right
The hun is very right, imo
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If the ABC is slightly left it is far outwayed by almost all media and political party that is right
If the ABC is "slightly left" then the rest of the Australian political journalistic spectrum is a hard core version of Facism! :o :o :o
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ABC radio isn't that bad
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IMO labour right
liberal far right
Yes Bent's and both have a 'collectivist' mindset.
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I agree with you on the Age and I have a memory that the Hun used to lean the other way but I don't read enough of it nowadays to have a valid opinion.
HUN is very much right with one columnist in particular so far right that it's hard to take much of what he says seriously anymore
Actually would suggest all News Limited publications are right leaning in a massive way
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The Bolter WP?
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HUN is very much right with one columnist in particular so far right that it's hard to take much of what he says seriously anymore
Anymore?
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ABC radio isn't that bad
Agree Bents, more objective than their other streams.
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The Bolter WP?
Yep Bolt.
Right wing tripe of the highest order
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The coalition were either lying about the effect of the Carbon tax or they are grossly incompetent.
Take your pick.
Inflation figures expose carbon scare campaign
Date July 25, 2013
Tim Colebatch
Tim Colebatch is The Age's economic editor.
Some wrecking ball that was! Australia's first year with a carbon tax has ended with inflation so low that it was only the carbon tax that kept inflation from falling out of the Reserve Bank's target range.
The Bureau of Statistics reports that in the year to June, consumer prices rose 2.4 per cent on the raw data, 2.3 per cent after seasonal adjustment, and 2.2 per cent on the trimmed mean measure, which strips out the biggest price rises and falls to define underlying inflation.
If you take out the September quarter - as the next set of inflation figures will - then inflation over the nine months to June was running at an annualised rate of just 1.3 per cent. Underlying inflation is tracking at 2 per cent.
And while the dollar has fallen in the past three months and petrol prices have jumped, it's odds-on that the next measure of inflation will start with a 1.
That is low inflation by any measure. It shows the Coalition's scare campaign against the carbon tax was just a scare campaign. And it sets no bar to the Reserve Bank board cutting interest rates again on Tuesday week if it believes the state of the economy warrants it.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/inflation-figures-expose-carbon-scare-campaign-20130724-2qjmv.html#ixzz2Zzhvm5xE
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The coalition were either lying about the effect of the Carbon tax or they are grossly incompetent.
Take your pick.
Inflation figures expose carbon scare campaign
Date July 25, 2013
Tim Colebatch
Tim Colebatch is The Age's economic editor.
Some wrecking ball that was! Australia's first year with a carbon tax has ended with inflation so low that it was only the carbon tax that kept inflation from falling out of the Reserve Bank's target range.
The Bureau of Statistics reports that in the year to June, consumer prices rose 2.4 per cent on the raw data, 2.3 per cent after seasonal adjustment, and 2.2 per cent on the trimmed mean measure, which strips out the biggest price rises and falls to define underlying inflation.
If you take out the September quarter - as the next set of inflation figures will - then inflation over the nine months to June was running at an annualised rate of just 1.3 per cent. Underlying inflation is tracking at 2 per cent.
And while the dollar has fallen in the past three months and petrol prices have jumped, it's odds-on that the next measure of inflation will start with a 1.
That is low inflation by any measure. It shows the Coalition's scare campaign against the carbon tax was just a scare campaign. And it sets no bar to the Reserve Bank board cutting interest rates again on Tuesday week if it believes the state of the economy warrants it.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/inflation-figures-expose-carbon-scare-campaign-20130724-2qjmv.html#ixzz2Zzhvm5xE
All of them lie. Why do you post just the lib ones?
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All of them lie. Why do you post just the lib ones?
1965 only posts articles that attack the Liberals. His more of a one-eyed ALP supporter then his a one eyed richmond supporter.
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:lol
ive often thought the same thing about a number of people here. They will happily stick the boots into richmond but will not accept anything bad about the political party they barrack for (or good about the opposition)
why dont some of you liberal party barrackers simply put up an equivalent article about the ALP every time '65 puts up one of his liberal bashing articles?
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All of them lie. Why do you post just the lib ones?
1965 only posts articles that attack the Liberals. His more of a one-eyed ALP supporter then his a one eyed richmond supporter.
More anti-Abbott than pro-Labor.
Used to vote Democrat and then voted Greens.
But the Greens lost me when they put ideology before lives and were happy to have people drown at sea.
I'm voting for Julian Assange.
:cheers
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Have a read and learn some facts.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886792.html
I dont read leftist trash from organisations like the ABC
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why dont some of you liberal party barrackers simply put up an equivalent article about the ALP every time '65 puts up one of his liberal bashing articles?
Because the age-old adage "2 wrongs don't make a right" is pertinent.
And bloody boring.
;D
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I'm voting for Julian Assange.
Which immediately removes any point of moral high ground you have when whacking others for voting Pauline, Clive or Bob.
;D
But seriously '65, this guy is a grub regardless of the side of politics he espouses.
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WP if I'm not mistaken Bolts used to be either an advisor,or speech writer for hawke/keating
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I'm voting for Julian Assange.
Which immediately removes any point of moral high ground you have when whacking others for voting Pauline, Clive or Bob.
;D
But seriously '65, this guy is a grub regardless of the side of politics he espouses.
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Exactly Smokey
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WP if I'm not mistaken Bolts used to be either an advisor,or speech writer for hawke/keating
I don't know but his vitriolic columns are pathetic
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WP if I'm not mistaken Bolts used to be either an advisor,or speech writer for hawke/keating
I don't know but his vitriolic columns are pathetic
Two stints for Hawke, WP. I dug this article up and regardless of what you think of him as a person or his views it makes an interesting read just from the perspective of how people follow an uncharted road in life and end up at an unforecast destination:
One of the great paradoxes of Bolt's career is his two periods of service as a Labor staffer. It's a detail which inevitably confounds critics and supporters alike. But like most things in Bolt's life, it wasn't part of any grand design, instead it was just another accidental circumstance. ‘I went to Darwin as a minder for a belly dancer who was my then girlfriend', says Bolt. ‘I soon got bored, went to the local Commonwealth Employment Service office and on the pin board they had a job as a political staffer. I don't even know if the party was nominated. Anyway, I applied for it and it was the Federal Member for the Northern Territory, John Reeves, who's a lovely bloke. It was supposed to be a temporary thing because one of his staff got sick, but it worked out so well that I stayed for the election.'
It was during this period that Bolt befriended Gary Gray, who at the time was working for Bob Collins, then the Leader of the Opposition in the Northern Territory. When Bolt reflects on this period he recalls himself as an interested observer rather than a participant. ‘The other people did the politics. I was really just in their shadow and enjoying it. It was just really intoxicating and it was the first time I got that real buzz you get from politics which is really dangerous. You know that space where you're so convinced that your side is right and in those conditions the other side is immoral and therefore you're excused all sorts of things. You start thinking: "they're immoral so why should you be nice to them? Why should you follow all the rules?'''
John Reeves lost his seat (and later went on to be a Federal Court Judge) and Andrew Bolt, now unemployed, returned to Melbourne at The Age only to soon be offered a job by then editor of The Herald, Neil Mitchell.
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His Indian sojourn over, Bolt returned to Australia and called his old friend Gary Gray, seeking employment in Canberra so he could be with Sally. It was 1987 and the Hawke Labor Government was chasing its third election win in a row, something federal Labor hadn't achieved since the Curtin/Chifley Labor Government of the 1940s.
Gray found Bolt a job with aNiMaLS, the feared Labor attack machine of the Hawke and Keating years. aNiMaLS was the moniker given to the more prosaic, official title of National Media Liaison Service. But aNiMaLS was a highly political unit led by Labor apparatchiks which specialised in opposition research, rapid tactical response and marginal seat campaigning. Other alumni of aNiMaLS include the respected and ubiquitous David Epstein (a former chief of staff to Kevin Rudd); Labor veteran Colin Campbell; Rosemary Church, now a presenter with CNN; Col Parkes; and the highly-regarded Jack Lake, a long time Labor operative and also most recently a former senior advisor to Kevin Rudd.
Unsurprisingly, Bolt recalls his role at aNiMaLS as mostly perfunctory, performing largely rudimentary tasks. ‘We were ostensibly a government department and so technically we couldn't do party business. But we did. When Parliament wasn't sitting I'd fly around the country doing party audits of the press functions of various local Labor members of parliament if they wanted it. I'd go into a marginal seat and I would say: "well, this is what you could do with the material we're giving you to get a bit better publicity." And when parliament was sitting we'd print up these little four page things where we'd package up the message of the day. It was designed so the local member could just drop in their name as well as the figure of spending for their electorate and "bang" they had their press release!'
Despite Bolt's pessimism at the time that Labor would lose the 1987 election, Hawke capitalised on the disarray in Coalition ranks caused in some part by the ‘Joh for PM' sideshow and increased his government's majority from 16 to 24 seats.
http://www.ipa.org.au/sectors/ideas-liberty/publication/1854/the-outsider (http://www.ipa.org.au/sectors/ideas-liberty/publication/1854/the-outsider)
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why dont some of you liberal party barrackers simply put up an equivalent article about the ALP every time '65 puts up one of his liberal bashing articles?
Because the age-old adage "2 wrongs don't make a right" is pertinent.
And bloody boring.
;D
:lol
that surprises me about bolt as he is clearly a member of the radical right.
it's a strange phenomena, all the shock jocks and highly opinionated collumists seems to from the radical right.
where are the looney left shock jocks and controversial columists?
(no not the ABC. they get a defacto gig on "entertainment" shows but the ABC does not allow editorial type comment)
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Here's a fact that is relevant to me, regardless of which side of politics you support:
Almost every single refugee that arrives here does so after passing through other countries first. As soon as a refugee transits through 1 or more countries before arriving at a final destination then they have ceased to become a refugee in my eyes and are nothing more than a queue-jumping country shopper, and are deserving of no preferential or priority treatment. A genuine refugee fleeing political or religious persecution does not need to continue a journey through several countries who are UN member states and are signatories to the UNHCR Refugee Convention. Why should we compromise our national security and increase the burden on our economy to assist people who choose to break the legal and moral barriers to live here? I have no problem with admitting people from any country in the world and our country is certainly far richer for the multi-cultural influences we have but I refuse to accept that we must cut corners and lower standards for checking the bona-fides of any immigrant. We owe this to ourselves and our children who will inherit this country after we have passed on. We don't owe Indonesia, Malaysia, PNG, Nauru or any other neighbouring country a damned thing when it comes to looking after our self-interests first.
Playing devil's advocate here but couldn't it be argued based on that argument that displaced Europeans post-WWII should have been re-settled in countries closer to Europe than re-settling them all the way away in Australia, NZ, Canada and the USA where most of them went? In fact it could be argued along similar lines that they should have just remained in Europe given it was now safe with the war and Axis-power occupation of their own countries over.
It makes perfect sense to me why these asylum seekers choose Australia because if I was in their shoes I would choose Australia too. It's the best country on Earth - it's a first world country, a long history of political, social and economical stability, a land of wide open spaces, freedom and opportunity, Oprah called it paradise ;D, etc ... Through my work I remember being in Germany for a conference and speaking to a colleague from Brazil and he mentioned that people in first-world nations have no comprehension of what it's really like living in a second/third-world nation even one that is classed as stable. This bloke was a professional working and living in Sao Paulo and he had to live in a middle-class suburb surrounded by security walls to constantly protect his home and family. The world is split where 10% of world's population holds onto 90% of the wealth. If you happen to live a country that represents one of the other 90% where large sections of the country are lawless and corruption is rife and you have the financial means to try and get your family out of there to a better life in a first-world nation then why wouldn't you?
Playing devil's advocate once again in answer to these people being "queue jumpers" - Should private health insurance be abolished because an individual with the financial means can pay to get the doctor, treatment and hospital of their choice straight away and jump the 'queue' ahead of a pensioner needing a hip replacement who is forced along with many others to wait years in the queue? A Libertarian would argue the right of the individual should outweigh the dictation of the state and answer in favour of private health insurance. Yet the ability of an individual with the means to pay $$$ to live in the country of their choice is denied.
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Smokey unless you are aboriginal its quite a hypocritical position.
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Here's a fact that is relevant to me, regardless of which side of politics you support:
Almost every single refugee that arrives here does so after passing through other countries first. As soon as a refugee transits through 1 or more countries before arriving at a final destination then they have ceased to become a refugee in my eyes and are nothing more than a queue-jumping country shopper, and are deserving of no preferential or priority treatment. A genuine refugee fleeing political or religious persecution does not need to continue a journey through several countries who are UN member states and are signatories to the UNHCR Refugee Convention. Why should we compromise our national security and increase the burden on our economy to assist people who choose to break the legal and moral barriers to live here? I have no problem with admitting people from any country in the world and our country is certainly far richer for the multi-cultural influences we have but I refuse to accept that we must cut corners and lower standards for checking the bona-fides of any immigrant. We owe this to ourselves and our children who will inherit this country after we have passed on. We don't owe Indonesia, Malaysia, PNG, Nauru or any other neighbouring country a damned thing when it comes to looking after our self-interests first.
Playing devil's advocate here but couldn't it be argued based on that argument that displaced Europeans post-WWII should have been re-settled in countries closer to Europe than re-settling them all the way away in Australia, NZ, Canada and the USA where most of them went? In fact it could be argued along similar lines that they should have just remained in Europe given it was now safe with the war and Axis-power occupation of their own countries over.
It makes perfect sense to me why these asylum seekers choose Australia because if I was in their shoes I would choose Australia too. It's the best country on Earth - it's a first world country, a long history of political, social and economical stability, a land of wide open spaces, freedom and opportunity, Oprah called it paradise ;D, etc ... Through my work I remember being in Germany for a conference and speaking to a colleague from Brazil and he mentioned that people in first-world nations have no comprehension of what it's really like living in a second/third-world nation even one that is classed as stable. This bloke was a professional working and living in Sao Paulo and he had to live in a middle-class suburb surrounded by security walls to constantly protect his home and family. The world is split where 10% of world's population holds onto 90% of the wealth. If you happen to live a country that represents one of the other 90% where large sections of the country are lawless and corruption is rife and you have the financial means to try and get your family out of there to a better life in a first-world nation then why wouldn't you?
Totally different scenarios MT. The WWII immigrants weren't queue jumping, they applied in the formal legal way and were processed and accepted in Australia in the formal legal way. Poles apart from what the boat people are doing present day.
Playing devil's advocate once again in answer to these people being "queue jumpers" - Should private health insurance be abolished because an individual with the financial means can pay to get the doctor, treatment and hospital of their choice straight away and jump the 'queue' ahead of a pensioner needing a hip replacement who is forced along with many others to wait years in the queue? A Libertarian would argue the right of the individual should outweigh the dictation of the state and answer in favour of private health insurance. Yet the ability of an individual with the means to pay $$$ to live in the country of their choice is denied.
Again, totally different scenarios and mischievous of you to lump them in the same 'boat'. :whistle Queue jumping for immigration purposes by boat people with unestablished and non-checkable bona fides = security risk to my country now and bigger security risk to the country I pass to my grandchildren. Queue jumping by a citizen of this country on a health matter (or any available internal service) based on financial means is a luxury and privilege earned by the rights of citizenship within our country. Being a citizen of this country allows me the right to pay what I want for the services I want in the time frames I want and that is an unalienable right I have by being a citizen of this country.
Nothing, and I repeat nothing, is as important to the people of this country than the right and and need to protect our country and it's people first and foremost. How we then govern ourselves and what we provide at what cost to our citizens is a (much more) secondary issue.
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I tend to lean to the right with this issue. So does common sense and Smokey
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Smokey unless you are aboriginal its quite a hypocritical position.
Lol. Seriously Bents, if you want to push the "we were here first" position then you can question the 'rights' of the current Indigenous inhabitants of our country. Here's what I know - a human being is a human being regardless of skin colour, ancestry, religion, or birthplace, and being a human being affords (should do at least) you certain rights and certain responsibilities at the most basic level. And capping those basic rights and responsibilities are those associated with the country you live in and the people you live among, and in Australia we are all products and citizens of the country we now live in. Whether that is fair in history or fair in birthright is not an issue that matters - if you are a citizen of a country then you have a moral, social and human obligation to live within the bounds of what is acceptable and best for yourself, your neighbours, your community and your country, regardless of where your forefathers and their forefathers came from. My attitude could be construed as arrogant or unfair to those who have lived here longer than others but the reality is, that it is all nostalgic history - the current day Indigenous people are no more 'owed' a special favour than I am - what they are really owed is the same opportunity to succeed in life that I have been afforded and whether that has been the case or not is a subject for separate debate, but it doesn't make me a hypocrite.
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Smokey unless you are aboriginal its quite a hypocritical position.
Lol. Seriously Bents, if you want to push the "we were here first" position
i thought i was doing the opposite ;D
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:lol :thumbsup
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The Bolter WP?
Yep Bolt.
Right wing tripe of the highest order
Richmond supporter too so he might be reading this :rollin.
Some of my nutty Bolt favourites:
* Claimed once the kids movie 'Finding Nemo' was a lefty/greeny propaganda storyline to brainwash our kids. Rehashed the same claim for 'Avatar' as well.
* Accused the Bureau of Meteorology of being deceitful with the Australian temperature data but it turned out he was just too stupid to tell the difference between an actual temperature map and a probability of temperature one.
* Claimed the world's scientists were all wrong and the world was actually cooling because the last data point in a mean global temperature graph had gone down (even though the trend is heading upwards). The following year the then newest data point went back up so Bolt added 12 months to the moving average so he could ignore it and still claim the world was cooling. The year after that data point went up as well but this time he couldn't choose an even longer moving average as that reveals more and more the underlying long-term trend which as I said is increasing. So he had to give up with his "the world is cooling" crap.
Bolt is an example of what is wrong with the modern media. Any attention seeking idiot with no qualifications on anything who plays on being "controversial" (translation: write self-opinionated crap) can get a gig as a "commentator".
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Germans protest over NSA: http://www.thudit.com/%23stopwatchingus
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My memory might be fading ,but I think the bolter was adamant they would find weapons of mass destruction in IRAQ,they must be still looking
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Bolt was a Bush smoker from day 1.
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whats a bush smoker?
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From the Age editorial
Coalition fails its own test of budget honesty
Date July 30, 2013
All year the Coalition has had one excuse for not releasing detailed policy costings well before the federal election. The government's budget figures could not be trusted, the opposition said. Fully costed policies would have to wait for the pre-election fiscal outlook, or PEFO, after an election was called. Ideally, policies ought to be released before then, but shadow treasurer Joe Hockey has now shifted ground and disputed PEFO's reliability, saying the Coalition will not accept the Treasury numbers. In doing so, the opposition is rejecting a key element of the Charter of Budget Honesty's rules to ensure credible and responsible budgeting.
The opposition's slim pretext for rejecting PEFO figures is its claim that an imminent government budget update puts pressure on Treasury to produce matching numbers. To the contrary, the government is under pressure to demonstrate financial discipline before the PEFO reveals more revenue downgrades. The Coalition's refusal to submit to the same discipline raises questions about its motives. It may also be tempted to be less cautious than it should be in what it promises.
In his May budget reply, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott promised ''no nasty surprises, no lame excuses''. We now have a lame excuse for denying voters the benefit of having Treasury set agreed benchmarks for Labor and Coalition costings. It is both an irony and an act of bad faith that the Coalition is rejecting the Charter of Budget Honesty.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/coalition-fails-its-own-test-of-budget-honesty-20130729-2qvd6.html#ixzz2aZiqtrgY
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whats a bush smoker?
'smoker' is a gen y verb which conveys the act of fellattio.
I had to deliberately misspell that word to get it through ::)
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It's on...
:cheers
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It's on...
:cheers
Who cares ;D
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It's on...
:cheers
Who cares ;D
September 7 for those that do. ;D
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It's on...
:cheers
Who cares ;D
September 7 for those that do. ;D
I'm hoping to be at the footy that day, that's all that matters :thumbsup
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It's on...
:cheers
Who cares ;D
September 7 for those that do. ;D
I'm hoping to be at the footy that day, that's all that matters :thumbsup
I think we will be whether it be Collingwood, Port or whoever else.
Just don't forget to vote. ;D
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I'm hoping to be at the footy that day, that's all that matters :thumbsup
There will be plenty of voting options near the main pre game pubs;
Richmond St Ignatius'Church Hall, 326 Church St, RICHMOND VIC 3121
Richmond Central Yarra Primary School, Davison St, RICHMOND VIC 3121
Richmond East St Bartholomew's Church, 290 Burnley St, RICHMOND VIC 3121
Richmond North Community Hall 110, 110 Elizabeth St, RICHMOND VIC 3121
Richmond South Richmond Primary School, cnr Mary St and Barkly Ave, RICHMOND VIC 3121
Richmond West Community Hall 106, 106 Elizabeth St, RICHMOND VIC 3121
http://results.aec.gov.au/15508/Website/HouseDivisionPollingPlaces-15508-228.htm
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Unbe-effing-lievable :lol
Coalition rebuffs Labor criticism over policy costings; Abbott says voters can 'do the arithmetic'
By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths
The Coalition has fended off Labor attacks over its decision not to commit to its own budget bottom line when it releases its policy costings, with Opposition Leader Tony Abbott saying voters will be "able to do the arithmetic".
Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey has again confirmed the Coalition will not provide a final budget figure because he does not trust the Treasury numbers used by the Government.
"We've been using the independent Parliamentary Budget Office to assist us, as well as other sources to assist us in helping to make sure that our numbers are far more robust than anything Labor has had," Mr Hockey told the ABC's AM program.
Mr Abbott has confirmed the Opposition will not release a final figure.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-06/coalition-rebuffs-labor-criticism-over-policy-costings/4867852
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Hilarious video clip of the Libs candidate for Greenway
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/diaz-and-confused-candidate-misses-the-points-20130806-2rb1v.html
and how did he get selected...
While the Liberal team in Melbourne will be scratching its head at the quality of the candidate selection process in Sydney, one person who will not be surprised in the slightest is Tony Abbott.
Abbott spent more than a year looking for a Greenway solution.
It has long been known in Liberal circles that the Diaz family has control of the local branches in Greenway, centred around Blacktown and including suburbs like Seven Hills, Toongabbie and Kellyville Ridge.
Jaymes Diaz and his father Jess, a Blacktown councillor, are migration agents and influential members of the large Filipino community in the area.
The story goes that the second piece of paperwork you get to sign with your visa documents when you deal with the Diaz's is a Liberal Party membership.
A Liberal insider puts it like this: “Our problem is the opposite of Labor's. We have too much local democracy. Because of that, branch stacking is a bigger problem for us.”
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/liberal-candidates-meltdown-no-surprise-to-tony-abbott-20130806-2rb5a.html#ixzz2b9rBlbex
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Another moron for a candidate, this time a one-nation nutter.
the video is worth watching for a laugh
When Stephanie got her facts wrong: One Nation candidate makes gaffe after gaffe in TV interview
Date August 8, 2013 - 12:30PM
Rachel Olding
Is it halal, haram or Koran?
Just don't ask Stephanie Banister, an anti-immigration candidate vying for the Brisbane seat of Rankin in the upcoming election.
Jews aren't under haram, they have their own religion which follows Geez Geez
The 27-year-old ''poster child'' of the One Nation movement did her campaign no favours in an interview with Channel Seven on Wednesday night, mistaking Islam for a country, confusing haram with Koran and drawing a blank on the nationwide disability scheme.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/when-stephanie-got-her-facts-wrong-one-nation-candidate-makes-gaffe-after-gaffe-in-tv-interview-20130808-2rive.html#ixzz2bLDjyxWw
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I'll revisit this thread on September 8 where I'm expecting it will be a nice place for a quiet nap.
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Last night's 'debate' was a cure for insomnia. It wasn't even a debate. Both just ignored the questions and stuck to their usual lines which suited the scripted Abbott (looked like he had even taken acting lessons to get the timing of his hand gestures just right). In the end Abbott won it simply because he's in front in the polls and the 'debate' wouldn't have changed a single person's vote. It only reminded us of the poor state of Australian politics.
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Abbott latest gaffe and the way the young woman looked at Abbott reminded me of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky
Another day, another Abbott soundbite for the ages
Date August 14, 2013
Jonathan Swan and Dan Harrison
Perhaps liberated by the blokey surrounds of Penrith Stadium, Tony Abbott possibly went a little too far when describing the assets of Fiona Scott, the Coalition's candidate for Lindsay in western Sydney.
She has "sex appeal", apparently.
During his tour of western Sydney on Tuesday, a reporter asked Mr Abbott what he thought Lindsay candidate Ms Scott had in common with former Coalition MP for Lindsay Jackie Kelly.
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott during a campaign office event in Ringwood, Victoria. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott greets Liberals candidate Fiona Scott at the launch of the campaign bus, in Penrith, NSW. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and Liberal MP Louise Markus greet each other during morning tea at Colo Heights, NSW.
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott during his visit to the Bickford's factory, a beverage manufacturer, in Adelaide.
"They're young, they're feisty, I can probably say have a bit of sex appeal," Mr Abbott said, before adding: "They're just very very connected with the local area".
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/another-day-another-abbott-soundbite-for-the-ages-20130813-2ruld.html#ixzz2bsEnQaOw
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:sleep
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:lol
Really? That's newsworthy and relevant to the election? A bit like the holder of the highest office in the country posting Twitter pics of himself with shaving cuts, only for them to be completely absent in public display a couple of hours later.
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The Libs have spent a lot of energy trying to dispel the idea that Tony is a sexist pig.
This issue is relevant to a lot of people.
Tony's "suppository" remark the other day was laughed by a lot of people all around the world.
Do we really want a PM that makes these sort of mistakes/errors of judgment.
:cheers
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Do we really want a PM that makes these sort of mistakes/errors of judgment.
:cheers
Labor seems to think we do. They have given us the last 3 that match that criteria perfectly. ;D
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Do we really want a PM that makes these sort of mistakes/errors of judgment.
:cheers
Labor seems to think we do. They have given us the last 3 that match that criteria perfectly. ;D
Don't be misleading.
The last 3 Labor PMs did not make " these sort of mistakes/errors of judgment"
They made mistakes that were completely different.
:cheers
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Do we really want a PM that makes these sort of mistakes/errors of judgment.
Sometimes what we want and what we get are 2 different things
Because we don't always get what we want
It's called life :thumbsup
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Do we really want a PM that makes these sort of mistakes/errors of judgment.
:cheers
Labor seems to think we do. They have given us the last 3 that match that criteria perfectly. ;D
Don't be misleading.
The last 3 Labor PMs did not make " these sort of mistakes/errors of judgment"
They made mistakes that were completely different.
:cheers
:lol :thumbsup
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seriously who gives a toss.
I have no time at all for abbot. None, zero, zilch, but this is just so petty.
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seriously who gives a toss.
I have no time at all for abbot. None, zero, zilch, but this is just so petty.
Amen don't know why I bother reading this thread
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(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/05/31/1226654/133708-tony-abbott-and-fiona-scott.jpg)
would not shag
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would not shag
Which one?
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either- Mark Lathem doesn't rate her either
good on Christine Milne saying lib / labour same poo
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Ah politics and the veneer of democracy:
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)
Read the book it explains the 'elites' methodology.
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cairo protests (NSWF)
http://m.imgur.com/a/kXjnf
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cairo protests (NSWF)
http://m.imgur.com/a/kXjnf
This is a difficult one....a battle of two extremes imo...the Muslim Brotherhood vs Military Dictatorship....both being 'played' by the 'West' and Israhell. I feel sorry for moderate secularists caught in the middle.
And a little further along the 'fertile crescent' the agent provocateurs are backing Al Qaeda/CIAda.
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would not shag
Jamisontown Jaw. Pass
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The ABC has launched a website called fact check.
Despite what some think about the ABC, this is an unbiased look at the claims made by the liars AKA Politicians, and who is closer to the truth.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/
check it out, if you are a member of the radical right you may be pleasantly surprised at what this loopy left organisation has to say about recent claims made by the major party leaders ;D
and onto a more serious matter how was Lathans response on 3AW to what Abbot said about his hand maiden the other day?
"It showed very bad judgment and it shows he has low standards,"
"I had a good look at Fiona Scott on page eight of The Australian today and she doesn't have sex appeal at all.
"She's not that good of a sort."
"She's a rather plain ordinary-looking woman and Abbott has exaggerated massively to try and win her vote among the blokes ..." he said.
"Tony had the beer goggles on and in politics they say it's showbiz for ugly people and I don't think she'll be out of place."
LMFAO
what a shame he's not still still in the game.
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There's only one politician that's had real sex appeal!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Kristina_KeneallyCrop.jpg)
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:clapping
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/working-mums-to-get-up-to-75000-paid-maternity-leave-under-coalition/story-fni0fiyv-1226699056687
Funny how it starts July, 2015. Why not July 2014?
Fair chance it won't see the light of day and not it should.
On the odd chance it does il be having a third child and making the most of this stupid scheme
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/working-mums-to-get-up-to-75000-paid-maternity-leave-under-coalition/story-fni0fiyv-1226699056687
Funny how it starts July, 2015. Why not July 2014?
Fair chance it won't see the light of day and not it should.
On the odd chance it does il be having a third child and making the most of this stupid scheme
Are you a female?
No. Matters little when your married :thumbsup Money goes to her money goes to me and around we go.
I believe its called marriage
Regardless it wont pass senate is my tip, and nor should it.
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:lol....I removed that post just after slotting it in on the off-chance you wouldn't appreciate the wit. You're very quick Daniel.
On the Tax...it is very regressive. Why don't we just offer a baby bounty - a set price (for all) to tide you over for the six months.
Fairdinkum, if these inducements were around when we were breeding and setting up a home I would have had more kids. Then again if I could predict the angst involved in the raising of teenagers I might have had less... ;D
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hahahahahaha :thumbsup
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Brazil leader hails law marking oil funds for services
(AFP) – 10 hours ago
BRASILIA — Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff on Monday hailed the passage of a law that reserves the nation's oil royalties for education and health care as an "historic victory."
Demand for greater government spending on schools, public health and transportation were at the heart of massive street protests that shook Brazil in June.
In the first concrete response to the protests, Congress passed a law that reserves 75 percent of oil royalties for education and 25 percent for health care.
About $800 million from the oil royalties is expected to flow into next year's budget for education and health as a result of the new law.
Rousseff said royalties from the first of a series of new offshore oil fields, which are to be opened for bidding starting in October, could yield $150-300 billion in royalties over the next 35 years.
"For me and my government education is the principal pillar to transform Brazil into a great nation, assuring that our people are freed from poverty," she said in her weekly radio address.
The law, which awaits Rousseff's signature, was approved by the Senate in early July and passed by the lower house last week.
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Well there goes WP's political career.
:lol
Charlton Liberal candidate Kevin Baker quits over lewd website content
By IAN KIRKWOOD
Aug. 20, 2013, 5:13 p.m.
KEVIN Baker, the Coalition candidate for the seat of Charlton, has resigned from the Liberal Party after publicity linking him to sexist jokes on a personal website aimed at car enthusiasts.
In a short statement on Tuesday afternoon he said his name would remain on the ballot paper but ‘‘my campaign is over’’.
‘‘I deeply regret the posts made on my website and decided that it was not appropriate to continue as the party’s candidate,’’ Mr Baker said.
‘‘I will not be making any further statements on this matter.’’
Mr Baker said he had advised the state secretary of the Liberal Party of his decision to resign.
Liberal MP for Paterson, Bob Baldwin, said Mr Baker had been running the website for some years and the problematic jokes were posted by others, not him.
‘‘But he was the moderator of the site and did not take them down,’’ Mr Baldwin said.
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what a crock of PC BS
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what a crock of PC BS
The article or my comment.
:lol
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Your kidding hey 111 pages, just like bombers wgaf
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It says it all when our pollies come across as more believable than James Hird :rollin.
Rudd was the winner in the debate tonight. Poor Tony made a meal of explaining how his parental leave scheme is to funded and then got so frustrated he jumped at Kev with "will this guy ever shut up".
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Says it all about the real Kevin Rudd
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/special-features/makeup-artist-lily-fontana-slams-8216rude8217-kevin-rudd-after-people8217s-forum/story-fnho52jp-1226701851346
A MAKE-up artist who says she smoothed the complexions of Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott ahead of last night's people's forum has hinted that the Prime Minister was rude to her.
Lily Fontana, a Brisbane make up artist, took to Facebook after her encounter with the leaders, praising Mr Abbott but saying one of the men had treated her terribly.
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Says it all about the real Kevin Rudd
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/special-features/makeup-artist-lily-fontana-slams-8216rude8217-kevin-rudd-after-people8217s-forum/story-fnho52jp-1226701851346
A MAKE-up artist who says she smoothed the complexions of Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott ahead of last night's people's forum has hinted that the Prime Minister was rude to her.
Lily Fontana, a Brisbane make up artist, took to Facebook after her encounter with the leaders, praising Mr Abbott but saying one of the men had treated her terribly.
Interesting that nobody has been able to confirm that Lily actually posted the comments.
:cheers
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Does this guy ever shut up?? :rollin :rollin
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Does this guy ever shut up?? :rollin :rollin
Rudd does have a tendency to waffle on when his speaking.
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Says it all about the real Kevin Rudd
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/special-features/makeup-artist-lily-fontana-slams-8216rude8217-kevin-rudd-after-people8217s-forum/story-fnho52jp-1226701851346
A MAKE-up artist who says she smoothed the complexions of Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott ahead of last night's people's forum has hinted that the Prime Minister was rude to her.
Lily Fontana, a Brisbane make up artist, took to Facebook after her encounter with the leaders, praising Mr Abbott but saying one of the men had treated her terribly.
Interesting that nobody has been able to confirm that Lily actually posted the comments.
:cheers
And also interesting that the comments no longer appear on her Facebook page.
More Liberal skullduggery.
:cheers
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Damage already done...... Bad luck
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Maybe Abbott just told her she had sex appeal and she was returning the compliment?
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Or maybe he regressed to the last time he had a woman leaning over him closely whilst he was sitting down in a chair. :shh
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:lol
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I give up.
The Libs announce what is the silliest idea to stop the boats yet and the public lap it up as achievable.
Morons they are I tell you stuffing MORONS.
The facts:
1. Indonesia consists of 18307 islands
2. It has a coastline that is 54,716km long (second only to Canada)
3. It has approx 350,000 motorised fishing boats
And Abbott thinks he will just buy the odd one or two and that will stop the people smugglers.
Or worse, he thinks he can say whatever pooe he wants and his moronic supporters will believe it.
:banghead
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I give up.
Thank You I am sure everyone on OER is very grateful
:cheers
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I give up.
Thank You I am sure everyone on OER is very grateful
:cheers
:lol
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I give up.
The Libs announce what is the silliest idea to stop the boats yet and the public lap it up as achievable.
Morons they are I tell you stuffing MORONS.
The facts:
1. Indonesia consists of 18307 islands
2. It has a coastline that is 54,716km long (second only to Canada)
3. It has approx 350,000 motorised fishing boats
And Abbott thinks he will just buy the odd one or two and that will stop the people smugglers.
Or worse, he thinks he can say whatever pooe he wants and his moronic supporters will believe it.
:banghead
Irrespective of political leanings, that for mine is a ridiculous policy with no common sense whatsoever.
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http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran?page=0,0
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Abbott to hit business with hikes
Date August 29, 2013
Tim Colebatch
Tim Colebatch is The Age's economic editor.
Analysis
The Coalition will pay for its campaign promises by raising taxes on business, cutting support for middle-income and low-income earners, and cutting environmental programs, under the list of savings given out by shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey and shadow finance minister Andrew Robb.
At first sight, they answer some of the questions hanging over the Coalition's growing list of policies, which have been much stronger on new handouts than on new ways to pay for them.
Hockey and Robb say their list of 18 savings measures adds up to $31.6 billion of financing for its tax cuts and new spending programs, which leading economist Saul Eslake estimates add up to $44.5 billion over the next four years.
The policies were costed by the Parliamentary Budget Office, but Hockey refused to release any detailed costings, the impact in each year, or the assumptions on which its figures were based.
We will know all that eventually, but only after the election. Hockey sees the release of the single-line estimates of cost savings as a new high in transparency. But if he is confident that the policies are costed correctly, why not release them?
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/abbott-to-hit-business-with-hikes-20130828-2sqxy.html#ixzz2dIG3INR0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK62I-4cuSY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
more or less why the world is stuffed :-\
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How many children will die as a direct result of wanting to build roads before helping the world's poor?
This is disgusting.
Foreign aid 'not ATM for parties'
by: Brendan Nicholson
From: The Australian
September 06, 2013 12:00AM
THE Coalition's plan to slash foreign aid by $4.5 billion if it wins government has been widely condemned by aid agencies.
Oxfam Australia chief executive Helen Szoke said the proposed hit announced by Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey came at the expense of the world's most vulnerable people.
Dr Szoke said the Coalition was continuing the alarming trend of political parties raiding the aid budget. "The aid budget is Australia's commitment to the world's poor and vulnerable, and is not an ATM for political parties in search of cash to prop up their bottom line," Dr Szoke said.
During the last election both major parties made a promise to increase Australia's investment in fighting global poverty and hunger, but the pursuit of a budget surplus had left the nation with a compassion deficit, Dr Szoke said.
ACOSS chief Cassandra Goldie said while Australia's most vulnerable appeared largely to have been spared further cuts, it was disappointing that some of the poorest people in the world would be forced to go with even less, to fund the Coalition's bottom line.
"This is completely unnecessary," Ms Goldie said.
"As the global community watches Australia take up the presidency of the G20 as well as the presidency of the UN Security Council, these actions will only diminish us all. We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world, where the majority of us are enjoying living standards better than ever before. We must carry our responsibilities as global citizens."
Australian Christian Lobby managing director Lyle Shelton said the aid cut was deeply disappointing.
"Under the Coalition's plan, we'll now build better roads for ourselves with money that could have helped keep kids alive in countries where sealed roads are a luxury," he said. "We all want to see Australia prosper but compared to many countries in our region, we are rich and our aid budget is very modest compared to what we spend on ourselves."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/foreign-aid-not-atm-for-parties/story-fn9qr68y-1226712538909
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Not half as disgusting as allowing thousands of people to drown by inviting queue-jumping immigrants to sail illegally to our country.
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How many children will die as a direct result of wanting to build roads before helping the world's poor?
This is disgusting.
Only future spending has been cut. The foreign aid budget is still growing just at a smaller rate. Also I never remember you posting articles when the ALP slashed the foreign aid budget to achieve the surplus they promised for years. . Your showing your partisan colors on this one 65.
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Only future spending has been cut. The foreign aid budget is still growing just at a smaller rate. Also I never remember you posting articles when the ALP slashed the foreign aid budget to achieve the surplus they promised for years. . Your showing your partisan colors on this one 65.
Anti Abbott but taking a bigger picture look at things.
Want Abbott to win narrowly without control of the senate and Rudd to lose his seat.
Abbott to take us to a double dissolution within 12 months. Would expect Abbott's lies and deceptions and hidden policies (see internet blocking policy accidentally announced yesterday) to emerge over the next 12 months and for him to lose at the next election.
:thumbsup :cheers
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Anti Abbott but taking a bigger picture look at things.
Want Abbott to win narrowly without control of the senate and Rudd to lose his seat.
Abbott to take us to a double dissolution within 12 months. Would expect Abbott's lies and deceptions and hidden policies (see internet blocking policy accidentally announced yesterday) to emerge over the next 12 months and for him to lose at the next election.
:thumbsup :cheers
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Anti Abbott but taking a bigger picture look at things.
Want Abbott to win narrowly without control of the senate and Rudd to lose his seat.
Abbott to take us to a double dissolution within 12 months. Would expect Abbott's lies and deceptions and hidden policies (see internet blocking policy accidentally announced yesterday) to emerge over the next 12 months and for him to lose at the next election.
:thumbsup :cheers
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:lol
But I can dream.
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What a diabolical state our Political scene is in. Other than the 3 usual suspects I had 3 'Christian' candidates to choose from. I wrote a commentary on the Rep voting chit and voted Wikileaks in the senate.
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Election Day and we miss Ma Powell how she loved to vote :laugh:
Anyway turn up and it's a schmoozle.
One polling booth but a booth allowing people vote in 2 different electorates (Gellibrand and Lalor)
Seems with a change in boundaries there is confusion as to which electorate certain residents of Altona Meadows are in. :banghead :banghead :banghead
So we had 2 queues one for Gellibrand and one of Lalor but in a room so tiny that when I was actually voting the people on the Lalor queue waiting to get their names marked off were so close to me that hey could see who I was voting for
What a joke
Certainly sums up the state of politics in this country, a sick joke
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My postcode is split between 2 electorates too, but they had separate classrooms at the school for Isaacs and Goldstein (and our local member is Mark Dreyfus, so how's that for the Jewish trifecta :lol). I believe they also had booths for Hotham at the same school too. I just got there early and I had absolutely no issue. We had a change in boundaries in 2010 as well. I'm in an estate that would be no more than 18 months old that doesn't even appear on the electorate map and the road that the estate comes off is actually the electorate boundary so we got a fair bit of mail for candidates for the electorate across the road still but no issues. I just had a joke with the lady who gave me my ballot papers because it was only 8:30am and she was already struggling trying to find names.
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If they had split the room it would havent been an issue but they are using one third of the room to service 2 electorates
Not good enough
AEC staff being clueless doesn't help
AEC Bloke says to me "where do you live in Altona Meadows?" I said "I'm in the Gellibrand electorate mate, no need to ask" his reply was "no your street what's the name of your street?"
Said "no need mate, I am in the Gellibrand Electorate can I please just go to get my name marked off and vote please?"
He said "No you have to tell me you street"
What the? Errr no I don't.
Clueless and he's getting paid good tax free dollars to be a moron today :banghead
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Vote early and vote often good Richmond folk
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Out here in the electorate of Deakin (which will be one of the first to fall) they were set up in one of the new school gyms.
Lots of room, four tables for the normal voters and one for absentee voters.
All very efficient.
We had 12 candidates in the House of Reps and it seemed most of them had people handing out how to vote cards.
I'm all set up for the traditional Don's Party. Although tonight might be a bit of a wake. Good thing my Italian forebears know how to hold a wake.
Lots of Grappa and good food.
:cheers
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Vote early and vote often good Richmond folk
$70 fine but each vote still counts.
:thumbsup
:lol
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Election Day and we miss Ma Powell how she loved to vote :laugh:
Anyway turn up and it's a schmoozle.
One polling booth but a booth allowing people vote in 2 different electorates (Gellibrand and Lalor)
Seems with a change in boundaries there is confusion as to which electorate certain residents of Altona Meadows are in. :banghead :banghead :banghead
So we had 2 queues one for Gellibrand and one of Lalor but in a room so tiny that when I was actually voting the people on the Lalor queue waiting to get their names marked off were so close to me that hey could see who I was voting for
What a joke
Certainly sums up the state of politics in this country, a sick joke
It seems we are virtually neighbours ;)
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Not half as disgusting as allowing thousands of people to drown by inviting queue-jumping immigrants to sail illegally to our country.
It's not illegal to seek asylum and if people are desperate enough they will choose to risk their lives for a chance of a better life. I'd guess it's easy for some Aussies to demonise others around the world when we're fortunately born into and living in a first world nation and can turn a blind eye to 90% of the rest of the world that isn't :whistle. Hate the people smugglers by all means that peddle lies and false promises to these people for $$$ but it's laughable a lot of Aussies blame, hate and are afraid of desperate people, often families, on rickety barely-seaworthy fishing boats who make up up to around just 7% of our total immigration intake (even when they are "flooding" in). It's so much about "border security" that our pollies on both sides waited years before trying to stop thousands of boat people arrivals until conveniently doing so just prior to an election when they were well behind in polls and needed a political circuit breaker :whistle. It's also so much about "border security" that the vast majority of these boat people have been eventually allowed into Australia as opposed to say arrivals via plane where the majority are found to be illegals. If there wasn't any political mileage from the boat people issue, the pollies wouldn't care. In time, future generations will look back on this period in Australian history with shame.
The great irony is cutting back significantly on foreign aid is more likely a genuine border security issue, at least in the mid-to-long-term, as one of major purposes of foreign aid is to help create and preserve stability and promote progress and development in third world nations so they don't regress into lawless rogue states that would pose a real direct threat to Australia and our interests.
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Foreign aid 'not ATM for parties'
by: Brendan Nicholson
From: The Australian
September 06, 2013 12:00AM
THE Coalition's plan to slash foreign aid by $4.5 billion if it wins government has been widely condemned by aid agencies.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/foreign-aid-not-atm-for-parties/story-fn9qr68y-1226712538909
Abbott wouldn't have needed to do this if he wasn't going to hand out up to $75,000 in even more middle and upper class welfare ::). No doubt it's popular (hey it's free $$$) to the electorate Abbott is targeting but so much for Joe Hockey rightly saying the Age of Entitlement is over. What happened to couples budgeting the year before having the baby like they had the baby already and then saving up the would-be expenses of the baby and putting it into a bank account so it was there when the baby actually arrived. Nah why take any self-responsibility when pollies throw around taxpayers' money like it's confetti to those that don't need it. Welcome to Australia - the welfare state! :banghead.
As for the claim the foreign aid money will be used to build badly needed infrastructure - that's why virtually every major rail project will be cut. Oh well we've only waited the past 83 years and counting in Melbourne for a new suburban railway line to be built ::).
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If they had split the room it would havent been an issue but they are using one third of the room to service 2 electorates
Not good enough
AEC staff being clueless doesn't help
AEC Bloke says to me "where do you live in Altona Meadows?" I said "I'm in the Gellibrand electorate mate, no need to ask" his reply was "no your street what's the name of your street?"
Said "no need mate, I am in the Gellibrand Electorate can I please just go to get my name marked off and vote please?"
He said "No you have to tell me you street"
What the? Errr no I don't.
Clueless and he's getting paid good tax free dollars to be a moron today :banghead
Isn;t your address along side your name in their book. I didn't really pay attention and look this morning. Are you sure they aren't allowed to ask for your address incase their is 2 people with the same name,
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Anyway what's everyone predicting in terms of seats?
Looks like the ALP will lose 10-12 seats in NSW, 3-4 in Vic, 3 in Tas, 1 in SA. WA and Qld to remain as is as Labor holds few seats in those states anyway. That's a 1996-like 53-47 TPP victory to the Coalition and 90-ish seats to 50-ish. The main interest will be on the Senate. Greens holding the balance of power could mean double dissolution in 12-18 months time if Abbott carries through with his threat.
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If they had split the room it would havent been an issue but they are using one third of the room to service 2 electorates
Not good enough
AEC staff being clueless doesn't help
AEC Bloke says to me "where do you live in Altona Meadows?" I said "I'm in the Gellibrand electorate mate, no need to ask" his reply was "no your street what's the name of your street?"
Said "no need mate, I am in the Gellibrand Electorate can I please just go to get my name marked off and vote please?"
He said "No you have to tell me you street"
What the? Errr no I don't.
Clueless and he's getting paid good tax free dollars to be a moron today :banghead
Isn;t your address along side your name in their book. I didn't really pay attention and look this morning. Are you sure they aren't allowed to ask for your address incase their is 2 people with the same name,
Not talking about going to the table and getting your name marked off, have to confirm your address sometimes no problem with that
I am talking about the moron at the door, who questioned ever person as they walked in to determine if they had to go the Lalor queue. He's job was to help people who were unsure not ask every single person what their street was. I know what bloody electorate I am in dont need this moron wasting my time
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Ok ill have a stab.
Predicting an 82 to 55 result, 13 to be distributed between the greens, the overweight sunburnt others etc
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Not half as disgusting as allowing thousands of people to drown by inviting queue-jumping immigrants to sail illegally to our country.
It's not illegal to seek asylum and if people are desperate enough they will choose to risk their lives for a chance of a better life. I'd guess it's easy for some Aussies to demonise others around the world when we're fortunately born into and living in a first world nation and can turn a blind eye to 90% of the rest of the world that isn't :whistle. Hate the people smugglers by all means that peddle lies and false promises to these people for $$$ but it's laughable a lot of Aussies blame, hate and are afraid of desperate people, often families, on rickety barely-seaworthy fishing boats who make up up to around just 7% of our total immigration intake (even when they are "flooding" in). It's so much about "border security" that our pollies on both sides waited years before trying to stop thousands of boat people arrivals until conveniently doing so just prior to an election when they were well behind in polls and needed a political circuit breaker :whistle. It's also so much about "border security" that the vast majority of these boat people have been eventually allowed into Australia as opposed to say arrivals via plane where the majority are found to be illegals. If there wasn't any political mileage from the boat people issue, the pollies wouldn't care. In time, future generations will look back on this period in Australian history with shame.
The great irony is cutting back significantly on foreign aid is more likely a genuine border security issue, at least in the mid-to-long-term, as one of major purposes of foreign aid is to help create and preserve stability and promote progress and development in third world nations so they don't regress into lawless rogue states that would pose a real direct threat to Australia and our interests.
Except the overwhelming majority aren't refugees MT, they're illegal immigrants. I have all the empathy in the world for genuine refugees and believe we should do all in our power to support and protect them if they come to us for help but I can't buy into the premise that a person who has the means to leave their own country with their whole family and pass through numerous other countries that could and legally/visibly do offer the same sanctuary as ours but instead continue on regardless to our shores is in fact a genuine refugee. I think the do-gooding nature of our country as a whole is being exploited to a great extent by people who have the means to pay for passage and are singularly selective about their destination. They are queue jumpers, not refugees, and we need to accept that fact in order to apply the correct method of dealing with them. Come to our country by all means but don't hide behind the skirts of genuine refugees and don't ruin the protection we provide to those who really need it. And if you think that cutting back on foreign aid exposes us to increased border security threats then you would have felt right at home in the days of the domino theory - 'let's fight the reds in Vietnam to stop them getting here'.
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Anyway what's everyone predicting in terms of seats?
Lib/Nats 92
ALP 58 (being generous)
Rudd to lose his seat
Shorten to take over as leader
Minor parties to have control of senate
Another election in 12 months
:sleep
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Here's my prediction.
Lib/Nats 102
Labor 47
Greens 1
After early counting its not just a landslide the whole Rudd ALP mountain crashing into the sea.
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If they had split the room it would havent been an issue but they are using one third of the room to service 2 electorates
Not good enough
AEC staff being clueless doesn't help
AEC Bloke says to me "where do you live in Altona Meadows?" I said "I'm in the Gellibrand electorate mate, no need to ask" his reply was "no your street what's the name of your street?"
Said "no need mate, I am in the Gellibrand Electorate can I please just go to get my name marked off and vote please?"
He said "No you have to tell me you street"
What the? Errr no I don't.
Clueless and he's getting paid good tax free dollars to be a moron today :banghead
Isn;t your address along side your name in their book. I didn't really pay attention and look this morning. Are you sure they aren't allowed to ask for your address incase their is 2 people with the same name,
Not talking about going to the table and getting your name marked off, have to confirm your address sometimes no problem with that
I am talking about the moron at the door, who questioned ever person as they walked in to determine if they had to go the Lalor queue. He's job was to help people who were unsure not ask every single person what their street was. I know what bloody electorate I am in dont need this moron wasting my time
My misunderstanding. I agree he sounds like a complete moron. They are there to help when asked upon.
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Well the darkest days of Australian politics is ending tonight
Well done Tony, the great white hope of Australia politics
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Well the darkest days of Australian politics is ending tonight
Well done Tony, the great white hope of Australia politics
Ha you reckon the darkest days are over? The guy is a moron just like Rudd, minus about 30 IQ points.
One term Tony
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He is the Messaih
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Looking forward to the sooking in 12-18 months when people aren't happy with some of the cuts they make or when we have to go back to the polls because Tony calls for a double dissolution because he refuses to accept the Australian publics decision regarding the senate
However, they will get a 2nd term easily. But they wont control the senate
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He is the Messaih
Fingerpaints in brown only. He is fooled
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RIP secular Australia :help
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88 to 57 is the current prediction with two still doubtful. On the cross benches, Clive Palmer is likely to win his seat :o while Bandt, Wilkie and Katter are back.
A convincing win to the Coalition but it could have been a lot lot worse for Labor.
Looking forward to the sooking in 12-18 months when people aren't happy with some of the cuts they make or when we have to go back to the polls because Tony calls for a double dissolution because he refuses to accept the Australian publics decision regarding the senate
However, they will get a 2nd term easily. But they wont control the senate
We all know how it works. The new Government comes in and we get the usual "oh the situation is worse than what the previous Government had said it was so we'll can't do everything we promised yet but don't blame us, blame the previous Government".
As for the Senate, the numbers are saying the Coalition can get control of the Senate after July 2014 by doing deals with non-Green minority parties such as Clive Palmer's party (Former NRL champion Glenn Lazarus), Nick Xenophon and the DLP senator John Madigan.
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Not half as disgusting as allowing thousands of people to drown by inviting queue-jumping immigrants to sail illegally to our country.
It's not illegal to seek asylum and if people are desperate enough they will choose to risk their lives for a chance of a better life. I'd guess it's easy for some Aussies to demonise others around the world when we're fortunately born into and living in a first world nation and can turn a blind eye to 90% of the rest of the world that isn't :whistle. Hate the people smugglers by all means that peddle lies and false promises to these people for $$$ but it's laughable a lot of Aussies blame, hate and are afraid of desperate people, often families, on rickety barely-seaworthy fishing boats who make up up to around just 7% of our total immigration intake (even when they are "flooding" in). It's so much about "border security" that our pollies on both sides waited years before trying to stop thousands of boat people arrivals until conveniently doing so just prior to an election when they were well behind in polls and needed a political circuit breaker :whistle. It's also so much about "border security" that the vast majority of these boat people have been eventually allowed into Australia as opposed to say arrivals via plane where the majority are found to be illegals. If there wasn't any political mileage from the boat people issue, the pollies wouldn't care. In time, future generations will look back on this period in Australian history with shame.
The great irony is cutting back significantly on foreign aid is more likely a genuine border security issue, at least in the mid-to-long-term, as one of major purposes of foreign aid is to help create and preserve stability and promote progress and development in third world nations so they don't regress into lawless rogue states that would pose a real direct threat to Australia and our interests.
Except the overwhelming majority aren't refugees MT, they're illegal immigrants. I have all the empathy in the world for genuine refugees and believe we should do all in our power to support and protect them if they come to us for help but I can't buy into the premise that a person who has the means to leave their own country with their whole family and pass through numerous other countries that could and legally/visibly do offer the same sanctuary as ours but instead continue on regardless to our shores is in fact a genuine refugee. I think the do-gooding nature of our country as a whole is being exploited to a great extent by people who have the means to pay for passage and are singularly selective about their destination. They are queue jumpers, not refugees, and we need to accept that fact in order to apply the correct method of dealing with them. Come to our country by all means but don't hide behind the skirts of genuine refugees and don't ruin the protection we provide to those who really need it. And if you think that cutting back on foreign aid exposes us to increased border security threats then you would have felt right at home in the days of the domino theory - 'let's fight the reds in Vietnam to stop them getting here'.
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Thought you might all like to see who will be running the country from now on
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65 you need to accept your a one eyed ALP supporter and majority of the country didn't agree that Gillard and Rudd was great prime ministers.
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65 you need to accept your you're a one eyed ALP supporter and majority of the country didn't agree that Gillard and Rudd was were great prime ministers.
I'll just tidy up your grammar and...
Not pro Labor but Anti Abbott and Rudd and Gillard were both good Prime Ministers.
It was the combination of them both wanting the top job that killed Labor.
Disunity is death.
Will watch with great amusement when Tony has to navigate a Senate where the Loonies have control.
:lol
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with all due respect can you sensibly tell us why rudd and gillard were good pms. Gillard only delivered the disability policy whilst Rudd delivered us pink batts. On the scale of PMs Gillard was just average and Rudd was less than Average.
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Not pro Labor but Anti Abbott and Rudd and Gillard were both good Prime Ministers.
I can't believe you honestly think that
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65 you need to accept your you're a one eyed ALP supporter and majority of the country didn't agree that Gillard and Rudd was were great prime ministers.
I'll just tidy up your grammar and...
Not pro Labor but Anti Abbott and Rudd and Gillard were both good Prime Ministers.
It was the combination of them both wanting the top job that killed Labor.
Disunity is death.
Will watch with great amusement when Tony has to navigate a Senate where the Loonies have control.
:lol
As you pointed out my grammar I thought I would return the courtesy.
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65 you need to accept your you're a one eyed ALP supporter and majority of the country didn't agree that Gillard and Rudd was were great prime ministers.
I'll just tidy up your grammar and...
Not pro Labor but Anti Abbott and Rudd and Gillard were both good Prime Ministers.
It was the combination of them both wanting the top job that killed Labor.
Disunity is death.
Will watch with great amusement when Tony has to navigate a Senate where the Loonies have control.
:lol
As you pointed out my grammar I thought I would return the courtesy.
So at least you could do was correct my mistake.
:lol
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?hp&_r=1&
:clapping
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Will watch Abbott with interest.
Can he handle the international political scene?
Abbott policies anger Indonesia
DateSeptember 13, 2013
David Wroe
Defence correspondent
Tony Abbott faces new hurdles in his bid to recruit Indonesia to his plans on asylum seekers, with Jakarta delivering its sternest broadside yet at the Coalition's border protection policies.
Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa has delivered a full-throated attack on the Coalition's proposal to pay bounties for information on people-smuggling rackets, The Jakarta Post reported on Thursday.
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''We will have a discussion with Abbott prior to the APEC summit in October. We will reject his policy on asylum seekers and any other policy that harms the spirit of partnership,'' the newspaper reported Dr Natalegawa as saying.
The sharpness of his remarks is striking as they come ahead of an Indonesian visit by Mr Abbott expected within days.
Dr Natalegawa was also reported as saying: ''Discussing Abbott's controversial plan on asylum seekers will be one of main agendas during the visit.''
His comments brought a firm response from foreign minister-designate Julie Bishop, who said the Coalition would talk through all the issues with Indonesia and would not conduct the discussions through the media but it was important to work with Indonesia to halt the people-smuggling trade through that country. ''These discussions will be undertaken face to face and not conducted through the media,'' she said.
The Jakarta Post report indicated that Dr Natalegawa's remarks were directed at the Coalition's proposal, unveiled during the election campaign, to pay millions of dollars to Indonesians who provided information that helped disrupt people-smuggling.
His comments were made at a meeting of the Indonesian parliament's foreign affairs commission, and follow remarks by the head of the commission, Mahfudz Siddiq, that another plank of the Coalition plan - to buy unseaworthy fishing boats that could be used to ferry asylum seekers - was ''a crazy idea … degrading and offensive to the dignity of Indonesians''.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/abbott-policies-anger-indonesia-20130912-2tnun.html#ixzz2eiPFgeU6
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Finally a story from 65 that paints Tony Abbott in a positive light. :thumbsup
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Finally a story from 65 that paints Tony Abbott in a positive light. :thumbsup
:lol
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Hello my names tony.
I'm going to buy all fishing boats
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don't laugh.
once he has solved the world's refugee problem by buying all the Indonesian fishing boats he will create world peace by buying all the Korans, Bibles and Tanakhs
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My fear is that Abbott will become one of those do nothing PMs.
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My fear is that Abbott will become one of those do nothing PMs.
As long as he doesn't f it up it will be an improvement on recent times
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My fear is that Abbott will become one of those do nothing PMs.
As long as he doesn't f it up it will be an improvement on recent times
If he does no biggie as Turnbull will slot in to the PM role quite nicely :thumbsup
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Only one woman in Tony's cabinet (I think Julie Bishop qualifies as female)
A few gaps in Abbott's team
Peter van Onselen, Contributing Editor |
The Australian |
September 17, 2013 12:00AM
THE announcement of a new ministry can be sweet and sour: sweet for those promoted, sour for those who miss out. Tony Abbott largely left his shadow cabinet intact when naming his first ministry yesterday. But he did clean out the parliamentary secretary ranks, using the junior frontbench portfolios to promote a new generation of future ministers.
There were, however, some notable absentees from promotion. In a climate where there is only one woman serving in the cabinet (deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop), not promoting Kelly O'Dwyer, one of the more talented members of the next generation, while four men from that generation (Steve Ciobo, Paul Fletcher, Josh Frydenberg and Alan Tudge) were named as parliamentary secretaries was not a good look.
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No doubt that Tony has stuffed this up...
There's no skirting it: Abbott is helping deny women a voice
Date September 17, 2013
Clementine Ford
There are many jokes to be made about Tony Abbott's ''woman problem''. The incoming prime minister has been fielding them since long before he wrestled the Liberal leadership from Malcolm Turnbull in late 2009.
At the time, the collective analysis seemed to be that Abbott, a man with an outlook so conservative it could only have been spawned from the Catholicism he held so dear, would simply hasten the inevitable destruction of a party that had lost its way. The idea that a pugilistic chauvinist, well-known for his regressive views on women and a political voting history to show for it, could flourish in modern Australian politics was laughable.
While it still baffles me how a man with Abbott's views managed to lead the Coalition to a thumping election victory in a post-1950s era, the fact remains that he did. Despite committing a series of gender-based election gaffes, the electorate has evidently overlooked the clear discomfort he has with women. It comes as little surprise that he appears to have assumed a mandate (amid so many others) to continue in his disregard for them, announcing a cabinet on Monday that boasted only one woman.
When Kevin Rudd re-assumed the prime ministership in late June, his cabinet reshuffle resulted in the promotion of three more women to his ministry. His decision distinguished it as the most gender equitable cabinet in Australian political history so far, with a balance of 14 men to six women.
For a brief time, we had talented women such as Tanya Plibersek, who worked with bipartisan groups to quietly have RU486 (the abortion drug Abbott wielded veto power on as health minister to prevent its passage into Australia) listed on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme so that all women in Australia would have access to medical terminations; Penny Wong, an openly gay Asian-Australian whose sexual orientation and ethnicity were a welcome challenge to a political cast of characters unrepresentative of Australia's diversity; and Jenny Macklin, whose instrumental role in delivering a national disability insurance scheme will enable thousands of Australians living with disability to achieve a higher level of self-determination.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/theres-no-skirting-it-abbott-is-helping-deny-women-a-voice-20130916-2tv3v.html#ixzz2f6rOdzqe
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:lol
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And wait there's more...
'Women of merit' - a smokescreen for sexism
By Sue Boyce
To pretend that a few outstanding Liberal women MPs constitute a thoughtful approach to gender equality is nonsense.
I was embarrassed when our Coalition Cabinet line-up was confirmed - one woman in Cabinet, no matter how outstanding that one is, is not enough, writes Sue Boyce.
If I hear the phrase 'woman of merit' one more time, I'll, I'll…do something drastic.
When was the phrase 'men of merit' last used? Is every male MP a 'man of merit'?
Good, then let's stop this nonsense about waiting for 'women of merit' to spontaneously arise within the Coalition parties to join the Cabinet.
'Women of merit' is a term used by ultra-conservatives who want to maintain the status quo - it's a smokescreen for sexism.
There have been numerous extraordinary and outstanding Liberal women MPs over the years - my Queensland predecessor Dame Annabelle Rankin comes to mind; Julie Bishop is a current example; but to pretend that a few outstanding women constitute a thoughtful approach to gender equality is nonsense.
I was embarrassed when our Coalition Cabinet line-up was confirmed - one woman in Cabinet, no matter how outstanding that one is, is not enough.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-17/boyce-women-in-politics/4962620
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Liberal backbencher Dennis Jensen hits out at science 'confusion' in new ministry
By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths
Tony Abbott is facing more dissent from within Coalition ranks, with Liberal MP Dennis Jensen criticising not only his leader's decisions regarding the placement of portfolios but also the signature policy on paid parental leave.
Dr Jensen, the Member for the West Australian seat of Tangney, has told ABC News 24 he is "confused" about which minister will handle the science portfolio.
Yesterday, Mr Abbott said science would "largely" be in the industry portfolio, under incoming minister Ian Macfarlane.
But Dr Jensen, who had expressed interest in taking on the responsibility, believes some of it will be within education.
"I'm somewhat confused about what's happened with the science portfolio. It's not just completely with the industry portfolio, there's parts of it within education which will make it a somewhat schizophrenic policy area," he said.
"This is something that to me is strange.
"I mean we've got a Minister for Sport for God's sake, but we don't have a Minister for Science."
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Jensen has 'problems' with PPL plans
Dr Jensen has also ramped up his criticism of Mr Abbott's multi-billion-dollar paid parental leave (PPL) scheme, which the incoming Prime Minister has said he is "deeply" committed to.
"The problem is this is an idea that someone has had which has then become policy and I believe that it hasn't been properly thought through at all," he said.
He wants the policy to go to the Productivity Commission for a cost-benefit analysis, and has held out the possibility of voting against it when it comes before Parliament.
"I'd have to wait and see where the policy goes," he said when asked if he would support it.
"Right at the moment, it's fair to say that I have problems with it."
He says he has had dozens of constituents contact him about the policy and they were "not in favour of it".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-17/dennis-jensen-hits-out-at-science-confusion-in-new-ministry/4962898
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Part of the reshuffle of portfolios includes Tony Abbott taking responsibility for women's issuess.
:lol
Portfolio details spell out Tony Abbott's role as women's minister
Abbott takes primary responsibility for women's issues, along with Indigenous affairs, deregulation and national security
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/tony-abbott-womens-minister-portfolio
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And we wonder why economic growth was stifled and businesses were crippled over the past 6 years:
Deregulation program will pave the way for productivity growth
Josh Frydenberg
The Australian
September 23, 2013 12:00AM
IN the five years from mid-2007, multi-factor productivity declined across the country by 3 per cent.
Last year the respected Economist Intelligence Unit ranked 51 countries for productivity growth, with Australia coming in second last, ahead of only Botswana.
Even Reserve Bank governor Glenn Stevens has weighed in, calling for more action and less debate on the productivity front, saying "improving productivity growth is just about the sole source of improving living standards".
Now the Coalition has returned to government, we have the opportunity to implement the very policies that will reverse our declining productivity and put Australia's economy back on track.
One of the most effective ways to boost productivity is via the micro-economic reform agenda of deregulation.
It is an area where Labor failed and the Coalition must succeed.
In little more than 5 1/2 years, Labor was responsible for introducing more than 21,000 additional regulations, despite Kevin Rudd's promise of a "one regulation in, one regulation out" policy. This dramatically increased the burden on big and small businesses alike. Peak industry bodies were aghast.
The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry surveyed its members and found that 73 per cent of businesses felt the compliance burden had increased in the past two years.
The Minerals Council found that the average thermal coal project in Australia was being delayed by more than a year compared with similar projects overseas.
And the Business Council of Australia has highlighted one resource development approval process that took years, was extremely costly and required a 12,000-page report, after which approval was finally granted with 1500 commonwealth and state conditions and 8000 subconditions attached.
Such an avalanche of green and red tape stifles investment and innovation, seriously hurting the economy. Unfortunately, under Labor this message never really got through. Even Julia Gillard's own Borthwick-Milliner review last year of her government's regulation impact assessment processes found that "a widespread lack of acceptance of and commitment by ministers and agencies" was a serious impediment to their effective use.
It is this culture under Labor - where passing new regulations was adopted as the default position, as opposed to only when it is absolutely necessary - that the Coalition is determined to change.
A paradigm shift will soon be under way. Driven by the Prime Minister and permeating down through his ministers and the public service, the government will adopt a new comprehensive, considered approach to deregulation. One-stop-shop environmental approvals, streamlined medical research grant processes and transferring the responsibility for administering the paid parental leave scheme from small business to the Family Assistance Office are just some of the immediate priorities.
Not to mention the positive impacts on business that will flow from the abolition of the carbon tax with its 19 separate acts and 1100 pages of legislation, and the mining tax with its 11 separate acts and 525 pages of legislation.
The cabinet, parliament and the bureaucracy will all be galvanised around the deregulation process. Ministers will be required to include regulatory impact statements in their submissions as well as establishing their own ministerial advisory committees from which they will seek recommendations on cutting red and green tape.
Two parliamentary sitting days will be set aside for repealing legislation each year - an initiative not too dissimilar to that under way in other jurisdictions such as the US, where the House of Representatives has regular repeal days under what is known as the Corrections Calendar.
And the performance of senior members of the public service will be assessed in part according to their proven record in reducing regulation, with their remuneration calculated accordingly.
The Productivity Commission will also be tasked to determine a framework for auditing the performance of regulatory agencies.
In the words of the Australian Institute of Company Directors, "regulators have tended to adopt an unduly risk-averse approach to the administration of regulation and are often overly bureaucratic in their interactions with business".
It is essential to the deregulation-productivity agenda that commonwealth regulators do better than this and administer the regulations in a more efficient and effective manner.
In addition to pursuing this groundbreaking whole-of-government approach at the federal level, the Coalition is also determined to promote an active inter-governmental agenda that will lead to the federal, state and territory governments working in sync.
The Council of Australian Governments will be an important vehicle in this regard, promoting deregulation as a standing agenda item to ensure that the Prime Minister, premiers and chief ministers can agree on the removal of duplicative and overlapping regulations wherever they are found.
With the Prime Minister's own department now taking responsibility for the Deregulation Unit previously housed in Finance, the Prime Minister is well placed to lead this charge.
In today's global economy the deregulation agenda has never been more important.
With our economic competitors improving all the time, we cannot afford to pursue anything other than world's best practice.
While cutting $1 billion a year of red and green tape may seem like a daunting task, it is absolutely vital. The quality of our economic future depends on it.
Josh Frydenberg is parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister with responsibility for the Abbott government's deregulation agenda.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/deregulation-program-will-pave-the-way-for-productivity-growth/story-e6frgd0x-1226724729098# (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/deregulation-program-will-pave-the-way-for-productivity-growth/story-e6frgd0x-1226724729098#)
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To summarise
"We are going to screw the working class to make the rich richer"
:cheers
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i thought the aztec calendar predicted the world would end when tony and his daughters got elected?
still here?
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Wish this thread would end FFs
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Wish this thread would end FFs
I have another three years of political anti-rabbit comments to make.
For example.
Have you heard Tony's latest three word slogan?
Now he is going to "Hide the Boats"
:lol
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"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
"If 400 people drown in the ocean and Tony doesn't tell anybody, did they really die?"
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"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
"If 400 people drown in the ocean and Tony doesn't tell anybody, did they really die?"
Good point now we can have "Hide the Bodies" as well
:banghead
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"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
"If 400 people drown in the ocean and Tony doesn't tell anybody, did they really die?"
The only sounds I hear are the screams of thousands of drowned souls because a pompous, egotistic, self-centred believer of their own hype changed a policy that was working for all parties involved - our country and the asylum seekers. I hope the votes and adulation the arrogant seeker of attention received were worth the blood he has on his hands.
And how left wing of you and '65 to forget the deaths under Labor yet gloat about the possibility of it under a Liberal government.
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Wish this thread would end FFs
I have another three years of political anti-rabbit comments to make.
For example.
Have you heard Tony's latest three word slogan?
Now he is going to "Hide the Boats"
:lol
I don't see how they are hiding the boats when all they have changed is instead of having a media release every time a boat arrives they just hold a press conference once a week detailing the boat numbers. 1965 you need to stop repeating the ALP spin its getting old.
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Wish this thread would end FFs
I have another three years of political anti-rabbit comments to make.
For example.
Have you heard Tony's latest three word slogan?
Now he is going to "Hide the Boats"
:lol
I don't see how they are hiding the boats when all they have changed is instead of having a media release every time a boat arrives they just hold a press conference once a week detailing the boat numbers. 1965 you need to stop repeating the ALP spin its getting old.
THEY HAVE MADE THIS CHANGE FOR POLITICAL REASONS>
AND FOR NO OTHER REASON.
DON'T BE SO EFFING BLIND.
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"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
"If 400 people drown in the ocean and Tony doesn't tell anybody, did they really die?"
The only sounds I hear are the screams of thousands of drowned souls because a pompous, egotistic, self-centred believer of their own hype changed a policy that was working for all parties involved - our country and the asylum seekers. I hope the votes and adulation the arrogant seeker of attention received were worth the blood he has on his hands.
And how left wing of you and '65 to forget the deaths under Labor yet gloat about the possibility of it under a Liberal government.
Quite the conclusion you drew there
I know I'm mates with Hitler, yet I missed the bit where I was "gloating" over some Asians making peace with that large body of water
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Don't think the Abbott government is in for a nice quiet time in government especially if they keep stuffing up like they have done in the first couple of weeks.
Honestly this would have to be the worst government in existence. Even ex-Liberal PMs are calling this government a Rugby club.
:lol
Abbott's model to wreck a government may come back to bite him
Peter Hartcher
Tony Abbott is promising again and again that he will lead a "methodical, measured, calm" government. But he's overlooking something. He's just finished writing a rip-roaring new guidebook on how to be a successful opposition.
It's the Abbott model of how to destroy a government. And guess what? The Labor party noticed.
Rule No. 1: Don't give the government a thing. Fight it up hill, down dale, day in day out. Be strident, be angry, be unreasonable. Apply maximum pressure and see what cracks.
Rule No. 2: Don't allow the government to control the narrative. Make a lot of noise. Fill the airwaves with angry dissent and maximum outrage. Generate an impression of disorder. If you control the narrative, you control the psychological battlespace.
Rule No. 3: Exploit the deadliest of all contemporary policy issues, the one that was central to the downfall of the last three prime ministers: climate change. This remains a potent issue and will remain so for years.
And the Abbott model worked. "We limited Labor to six years," points out a quietly satisfied member of the Coalition leadership. "Labor under Hawke and Keating had 10 years; we had 11½ years under Howard. Labor is out after six."
So while Abbott wants to be methodical, measured and calm, will the Labor opposition let him?
Whether it's Anthony Albanese or Bill Shorten leading the Labor Party, you can be confident the opposition will apply the Abbott model.
Both men plan a combative, aggressive style and relentless pressure. Both are determined to keep Abbott's policy on climate change a centrepiece of contention.
Abbott gave Labor no quarter and can expect none in return. He showed new ways to crack a government and they will now be applied to him.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbotts-model-to-wreck-a-government-may-come-back-to-bite-him-20130913-2tqa7.html#ixzz2fl5Q6I7F
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Wish this thread would end FFs
I have another three years of political anti-rabbit comments to make.
For example.
Have you heard Tony's latest three word slogan?
Now he is going to "Hide the Boats"
:lol
I don't see how they are hiding the boats when all they have changed is instead of having a media release every time a boat arrives they just hold a press conference once a week detailing the boat numbers. 1965 you need to stop repeating the ALP spin its getting old.
THEY HAVE MADE THIS CHANGE FOR POLITICAL REASONS>
AND FOR NO OTHER REASON.
DON'T BE SO EFFING BLIND.
The most likely did change it from making a media release after every boat arrival to having a press conference once a week because of political reasons but they aren't hiding the boats like you claimed they are.
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Don't think the Abbott government is in for a nice quiet time in government especially if they keep stuffing up like they have done in the first couple of weeks.
Honestly this would have to be the worst government in existence. Even ex-Liberal PMs are calling this government a Rugby club.
:lol
1965 we get it you hate Abbott and the liberals but don't hyperbole things.
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Honestly this would have to be the worst government in existence.
1 week in existence and a learned professional man such as yourself has arrived at this conclusion.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Abbott gave Labor no quarter and can expect none in return. He showed new ways to crack a government and they will now be applied to him.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news '65 but Abbott had nothing to do with "cracking" the new government - they proved to be 'self-cracking' champions and if not for the dubious support of 3 independants turning on their own individual electorates' mandate they would have achieved total self-cracking destruction within 3 years, a new world record that even the completely inept Whitlam government couldn't achieve (although they did try bloody hard to do just that).
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1 week in existence and a learned professional man such as yourself has arrived at this conclusion.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
1965 we get it you hate Abbott and the liberals but don't hyperbole things.
Just quoting Abbott in opposition.
:cheers
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/high-house-prices-inequality-normans
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I'm not alone in my thoughts on the new government.
Already shaping up to be a one-term government.
Coalition heading backwards with first steps
September 25, 2013
Ross Gittins
I'm starting to think we didn't get much of a deal when we decided to change the federal government. We got rid of a bunch racked by infighting and bad at executing policy, but substituted a bunch with a very limited idea of what needed to be changed to get us back on the right path.
What a to-do list: sack econocrats guilty of having worked with the enemy, pass an edict against climate change and discourage all discussion of it, stop publicising boat arrivals, build more motorways, move to a cut-price national broadband network and take science for granted.
It's early days, of course, and there's more, but not a whole lot more: abolishing the onerous tax on our impoverished global mining companies, getting rid of red and green tape (translation: making it easier for big business to get its way without delay) and beating up the Tax Office for being too diligent in making small business pay its tax.
It's as if Tony Abbott believes returning the Liberals to power will, of itself, solve most of our problems. Everything was fine when we last had a Liberal government, so restore the Libs and everything will be fine again.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/coalition-heading-backwards-with-first-steps-20130924-2uc1u.html#ixzz2fqwxJXBd
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WTF, George Orwell would be proud of Tony.
Abbott’s office takes control of ministers’ media
James Massola Political correspondent
Tony Abbott’s press office has moved to crack down on media appearances by his frontbench, issuing an edict that all media requests for interviews be approved by the Prime Minister’s staff.
A copy of an email sent to the Coalition’s ministerial media advisers at 5am on Wednesday, leaked to The Australia Financial Review, announces that former long-serving Coalition staffer Kate Walshe has joined the Abbott press office.
Ms Walshe’s appointment comes in the wake of the retirement of veteran media chief Tony O’Leary and follows the promotion of former senior press secretary Andrew Hirst to the position of deputy chief of staff.
The email, from Abbott press secretary James Boyce, says Ms Walshe will have overall responsibility for coordinating ministerial media.
“All media coordination and requests should go through Kate first. This covers all national media interviews on television, radio and print. This includes any ABC local radio or ABC television interviews, the Sunday programmes, Sky News, and metropolitan print media longer-format interviews, etc,’’ it says.
“With any regular appearances on shows such as Sky AM Agenda, they should first have been coordinated through Kate at least the day before; on the morning of the interview it is still best to speak with Russ Neal for the main daily issues and messages.”
The edict comes after the Coalition’s decision to limit information made available to the media and the public about its Operation Sovereign Borders policy, which is designed to stop the arrival of asylum seekers by boat.
http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_office_takes_control_of_ministers_kOrNDWvxfGRPUF4FEGzQPK
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WTF, George Orwell would be proud of Tony.
Abbott’s office takes control of ministers’ media
James Massola Political correspondent
Tony Abbott’s press office has moved to crack down on media appearances by his frontbench, issuing an edict that all media requests for interviews be approved by the Prime Minister’s staff.
A copy of an email sent to the Coalition’s ministerial media advisers at 5am on Wednesday, leaked to The Australia Financial Review, announces that former long-serving Coalition staffer Kate Walshe has joined the Abbott press office.
Ms Walshe’s appointment comes in the wake of the retirement of veteran media chief Tony O’Leary and follows the promotion of former senior press secretary Andrew Hirst to the position of deputy chief of staff.
The email, from Abbott press secretary James Boyce, says Ms Walshe will have overall responsibility for coordinating ministerial media.
“All media coordination and requests should go through Kate first. This covers all national media interviews on television, radio and print. This includes any ABC local radio or ABC television interviews, the Sunday programmes, Sky News, and metropolitan print media longer-format interviews, etc,’’ it says.
“With any regular appearances on shows such as Sky AM Agenda, they should first have been coordinated through Kate at least the day before; on the morning of the interview it is still best to speak with Russ Neal for the main daily issues and messages.”
The edict comes after the Coalition’s decision to limit information made available to the media and the public about its Operation Sovereign Borders policy, which is designed to stop the arrival of asylum seekers by boat.
http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_office_takes_control_of_ministers_kOrNDWvxfGRPUF4FEGzQPK
finally we have a real government with real leadership ;D
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WTF, George Orwell would be proud of Tony.
Abbott’s office takes control of ministers’ media
James Massola Political correspondent
Tony Abbott’s press office has moved to crack down on media appearances by his frontbench, issuing an edict that all media requests for interviews be approved by the Prime Minister’s staff.
A copy of an email sent to the Coalition’s ministerial media advisers at 5am on Wednesday, leaked to The Australia Financial Review, announces that former long-serving Coalition staffer Kate Walshe has joined the Abbott press office.
Ms Walshe’s appointment comes in the wake of the retirement of veteran media chief Tony O’Leary and follows the promotion of former senior press secretary Andrew Hirst to the position of deputy chief of staff.
The email, from Abbott press secretary James Boyce, says Ms Walshe will have overall responsibility for coordinating ministerial media.
“All media coordination and requests should go through Kate first. This covers all national media interviews on television, radio and print. This includes any ABC local radio or ABC television interviews, the Sunday programmes, Sky News, and metropolitan print media longer-format interviews, etc,’’ it says.
“With any regular appearances on shows such as Sky AM Agenda, they should first have been coordinated through Kate at least the day before; on the morning of the interview it is still best to speak with Russ Neal for the main daily issues and messages.”
The edict comes after the Coalition’s decision to limit information made available to the media and the public about its Operation Sovereign Borders policy, which is designed to stop the arrival of asylum seekers by boat.
http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_office_takes_control_of_ministers_kOrNDWvxfGRPUF4FEGzQPK
finally we have a real government with real leadership ;D
Exactly real leaders leading, not puppet leaders being manipulated by the faceless puppet masters
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The photo says it all.
:lol
PM's role as Minister for Women is not such a joke
Date September 26, 2013
Lindy Edwards
(http://images.theage.com.au/2013/09/25/4777654/ZAH_tony_LW-20130925185904280319-620x349.jpg)
'It is pretty clear that Abbott still "doesn't get it".'
Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
Tony Abbott's appointment of himself as the Minister for Women may actually work out to be better for him and us than it first appears.
It is highly likely that Abbott decided to embrace the role as a media strategy. He knew he was going to cop flak for the lack of women in cabinet, and he would not have wanted to make matters worse by scrapping or demoting the role. To make matters worse, with Julie Bishop fully occupied with Foreign Affairs, his only other choice would have been to handball the role to one of the blokes. He tried to make a virtue of necessity by embracing the role himself.
Nonetheless, it might just work out to his advantage and ours if he takes the role on seriously and it isn't just window dressing. In the Hawke-Keating government, and in the early years of the Howard government, the Office for the Status of Women was located in the Prime Minister's department and had an important role in the cabinet decision-making process.
Its role was to review all submissions going to cabinet, and to draw attention to the impacts of policy decisions on women. Often issues with superannuation, tax, welfare payments, the organisation of aged care and childcare have a different impact on women to men, and the office's role was to ensure that a decision-making process dominated by men did give some thought to women's perspective.
If Abbott adopts that process again, it might just save his heavily male-dominated government from inadvertently running roughshod over the interests of 51 per cent of the population. It might work as a safeguard for him and for the wider community.
It is also a sign of progress, that the role of women is now so politically heated that Abbott doesn't consider it an issue he can ignore. When the Howard government came to power, the Office for the Status of Women was slowly eroded and eventually completely sidelined. It also systematically defunded community organisations advocating women's issues. And perhaps most importantly, it disbanded the units that collected statistics on women's advancement or lack of it.
The Coalition's current ''hide the boats'' strategy isn't new; it has form in knowing how to silence issues from the public agenda.
However, Tony Abbott is not John Howard and there is a difference between ''not getting it'' and malice. Abbott claims he has come a long way on these issues, and that may be true; the proof will be in his actions.
It is pretty clear that Abbott still ''doesn't get it''. His response to his sexist gaffes in the election campaign - that he ''didn't realise [he] had said anything that could be remarked upon'' - was telling. The gap between his obliviousness and the reactions of the young women around him (including his daughters) highlights that he doesn't understand the invisible social dynamics at work.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/pms-role-as-minister-for-women-is-not-such-a-joke-20130925-2ueh7.html#ixzz2fw9mNlR6
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I'll call it now, Tony will not last as PM until the next election.
What a mess from what is shaping up to be the worst government since Whitlam.
Tony Abbott holds fire on plan to axe uni services fee
Date September 26, 2013
Daniel Hurst
Federal political reporter
Tony Abbott has put a plan to axe the university student services and amenities fee on ice after a Nationals MP warned that regional members would object.
Education Minister Christopher Pyne flagged on Tuesday a move against what he called "a form of compulsory student unionism" but Mr Abbott declared on Thursday he was in no rush to axe the $273 per student fee after criticism from the university sector, student unions and a Coalition MP.
Asked whether he had any concerns about the impact on regional universities and student services, Mr Pyne said: "We don't support compulsory student unionism and we don't support the student amenities fee and at an appropriate time we'll move to abolish it."
Nationals MP Michael McCormack said he and colleagues were "surprised and shocked" at the proposal and worried about the impact on regional universities.
Mr Pyne had not put a specific timeframe on axing the fee, apart from telling the Australian Financial Review on Tuesday: "It might be in the budget, but that's not until May."
Mr Pyne then sought to dampen expectations, telling ABC Radio on Wednesday the axing of the fee was not a priority. Mr Abbott said on Thursday the government had other, more important priorities.
University leaders have accused the Coalition government of reviving an outdated ideological debate over student unionism and argued services would be diminished if the government scrapped the student services fee.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-holds-fire-on-plan-to-axe-uni-services-fee-20130926-2ufut.html#ixzz2fykbKlLt
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Gee whiz, minister for women but no more minister for science.
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I'll call it now, Tony will not last as PM until the next election.
What a mess from what is shaping up to be the worst government since Whitlam.
Tony Abbott holds fire on plan to axe uni services fee
Date September 26, 2013
Daniel Hurst
Federal political reporter
Tony Abbott has put a plan to axe the university student services and amenities fee on ice after a Nationals MP warned that regional members would object.
Education Minister Christopher Pyne flagged on Tuesday a move against what he called "a form of compulsory student unionism" but Mr Abbott declared on Thursday he was in no rush to axe the $273 per student fee after criticism from the university sector, student unions and a Coalition MP.
Asked whether he had any concerns about the impact on regional universities and student services, Mr Pyne said: "We don't support compulsory student unionism and we don't support the student amenities fee and at an appropriate time we'll move to abolish it."
Nationals MP Michael McCormack said he and colleagues were "surprised and shocked" at the proposal and worried about the impact on regional universities.
Mr Pyne had not put a specific timeframe on axing the fee, apart from telling the Australian Financial Review on Tuesday: "It might be in the budget, but that's not until May."
Mr Pyne then sought to dampen expectations, telling ABC Radio on Wednesday the axing of the fee was not a priority. Mr Abbott said on Thursday the government had other, more important priorities.
University leaders have accused the Coalition government of reviving an outdated ideological debate over student unionism and argued services would be diminished if the government scrapped the student services fee.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-holds-fire-on-plan-to-axe-uni-services-fee-20130926-2ufut.html#ixzz2fykbKlLt
It's going to be the golden age now that Punch and Judy puppet show has been given the arse
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"The golden age"
:lol
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That's right the "Era of plenty"
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This was the Liberal attack dog who pursued Peter Slipper over a cabcharge to a winery.
Reap what you sow scumbag.
George Brandis and Barnaby Joyce deny wrongdoing over travel expenses claims
Coalition frontbenchers George Brandis and Barnaby Joyce have denied any wrongdoing after reports they used taxpayer funds to attend a wedding.
Fairfax Media says the men claimed over $3,000 in travel expenses to attend the wedding of radio presenter Michael Smith in 2011.
Senator Brandis has confirmed he claimed nearly $1,700 on flights, accommodation and a hire car, but says he attended the wedding primarily for work purposes.
He told Fairfax that he used the wedding as an opportunity to collaborate with Smith over his work covering the Health Services Union scandal involving former MP Craig Thomson.
and...
According to the federal Department of Finance and Deregulation's entitlements handbook, expenses for official business such as "meetings of a government advisory committee or taskforce" or "functions representing a minister of presiding officer" are allowed for.
Meetings with journalists and other members of the media are not sanctioned under the handbook's guidelines.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-29/michael-smith-wedding-barnaby-joyce-george-brandis-expenses/4987502
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Hmmmm
Abbott broke law with media shutout, say Indonesian journalists
October 3, 2013 - 7:30AM
Michael Bachelard
Tony Abbott has incurred the wrath of Indonesia's journalists by excluding them from a press conference, and even committed a criminal offence, according to the head of the country's journalists' union.
Local journalists were incensed that, on the Australian Prime Minister's first official visit, he locked them out of his Tuesday morning press conference.
Indonesian language newspaper Rakyat Merdeka spent a large part of page 10 of its Wednesday edition focused on the snub, saying it was discriminatory.
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“What's the use for him coming all the way to Indonesia if he only gives a press conference to Australian journalists?” the paper asked.
It reported the Australian embassy's press spokesman Ray Marcelo saying: “Sorry, this is the Prime Minister's Office request”.
Australian journalists were also told the press conference was only for them, and it meant Indonesian media were unable to put any questions to the visiting Prime Minister.
But Umar Idris, the head of the Jakarta chapter of the Alliance for Independent Journalists, said the actions of Mr Abbott — himself a former journalist — were not just discourteous, but criminal.
“The press law in Indonesia says it is a crime to limit journalists to get access to information. The penalty for that is two years' imprisonment,” Mr Umar said.
“We cannot accept whatever reason Australia gave for limiting access to information for Indonesian journalists.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-broke-law-with-media-shutout-say-indonesian-journalists-20131002-2usnn.html#ixzz2gbioOKF1
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I think the Indonesians are the last people who should be talking about human rights violations. What a heap of bollocks!!!
Its over, they didn't get an audience, time to move on.... :sleep
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Our PM.
What a scumbag.
PM caught up in expenses row on Slipper wedding
Political News Date October 8, 2013
Jonathan Swan and Michael Bachelard
The expenses scandal has taken a new twist, after it emerged Prime Minister Tony Abbott billed taxpayers to attend Peter Slipper's wedding and repaid the cost seven years later.
Mr Abbott, who attacked Mr Slipper's character over alleged indiscretions including entitlement misuse, said he discovered he had billed taxpayers for a ''couple'' of weddings after other MPs were exposed for such travel.
An emotional Mr Slipper accused Mr Abbott of ''breathtaking hypocrisy'', saying that while other MPs had been allowed to repay errant expense claims, the charges brought against him had destroyed his life. The Prime Minister last week repaid $1095 for former colleague Sophie Mirabella's wedding in 2006 and $609 for Mr Slipper's event the same year.
Mr Abbott, who is in Indonesia to attend the APEC conference, reimbursed the money after Fairfax Media revealed a week ago that taxpayers met the costs of Attorney-General George Brandis and Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce attending shock jock Michael Smith's wedding.
Fairfax Media also revealed Coalition MPs Julie Bishop, Teresa Gambaro and Mr Joyce collectively claimed more than $12,000 in ''overseas study'' payments to return from an Indian wedding they attended as guests of Gina Rinehart.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pm-caught-up-in-expenses-row-on-slipper-wedding-20131007-2v4di.html#ixzz2h45KPWGe
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:lol
Give it up 65. Abbots gonna be PM for a long time. Your labor mates havent even got themselves a leader yet. A complete and utter rabble is Labor.
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:lol
Give it up 65. Abbots gonna be PM for a long time. Your labor mates havent even got themselves a leader yet. A complete and utter rabble is Labor.
You think?
Tony Abbott defends claiming travel expenses to participate in sporting events, including Pollie Pedal
By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has defended charging taxpayers for his travel expenses to participate in sporting events and lead the Pollie Pedal charity bike ride.
Mr Abbott and some of his frontbenchers have recently repaid travel claims they made to attend the weddings of politicians and media figures.
Department of Finance documents also show Mr Abbott claimed $349 in travel allowance and $941 for flights to compete in an ironman event in the New South Wales city of Port Macquarie in 2011.
"I believe that all of my claims have been within entitlement," he told the media on the sidelines of the APEC summit in Bali.
"Let's not forget that Port Macquarie was a marginal seat effectively and I want to assure you that I don't go to marginal seats simply for sporting events, although the sporting event in question was a community event.
and from the same article...
Albanese not sure why Slipper treated differently
The Prime Minister also last week repaid about $1,700 he had claimed to travel to the weddings of former colleagues Sophie Mirabella and Peter Slipper in 2006.
The Coalition vigorously pursued the former LNP MP and speaker of the house last year over his alleged misuse of Cabcharge vouchers to visit Canberra wineries.
Mr Slipper is facing legal action over the claims, worth nearly $1,000.
Labor leadership contender Anthony Albanese says he is not sure why the Department of Finance appears to have treated the former parliamentary speaker differently to other MPs.
"It's a good question. I don't know what the answer is," he said.
"I don't quite understand how the Department of Finance treated him differently - it would appear - from the way that other people are being treated."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-08/abbott-denies-taking-taxpayers-for-ride-over-pollie-pedal/5008456
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and from the Age editorial...
Culture of entitlement exposes rank hypocrisy
Date October 8, 2013
Now the Coalition is in government, it hasn't taken long for the skeletons in its cupboard to come out. Senior figures, including Prime Minister Tony Abbott, have been exposed for claiming expenses for attending friends' or acquaintances' weddings as ''official business''. No opposition ran harder on themes of waste, excessive spending and rorts than did Mr Abbott's Coalition. It's a standard game plan: identify areas of dubious government spending and fan the public outrage. Now the Coalition has been hoist by its own petard.
The excuses are many and varied. Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce struggled for consistency in the one sentence, saying: ''These things obviously happened years ago, not that that's an excuse.'' Exactly. Mr Abbott claimed expenses for attending the 2006 weddings of colleagues Sophie Mirabella and Peter Slipper, of all people. Only now, after media inquiries, has he repaid $1705, ''for the avoidance of any doubt''. When Mr Abbott repaid nearly $9400 claimed in 2009 while promoting his own book, his chief of staff said flights were ''inadvertently booked as official travel''. Another minister at the time who attended the Mirabella wedding, Brownyn Bishop, had the good judgment not to claim costs.
Julie Bishop, now Foreign Minister, MP Teresa Gambaro and Mr Joyce also claimed about $12,000 in expenses after going to a 2011 wedding in India as guests of billionaire Gina Rinehart. Despite citing business and study as their primary purposes, would they have gone if there had been no wedding? Mr Joyce and Attorney-General George Brandis have repaid $2300 in claims related to a radio host's 2011 wedding.
The amounts may be petty cash in a $400 billion budget, but taxpayers rightly object to politicians who insist every cent of spending must be justified while dipping so freely into the public purse. No ordinary person would think attending a friend's wedding could be a work-related duty. If grey areas remain despite recent reforms, they must be cleared up.
Mr Brandis, who led Coalition attacks on Peter Slipper and Craig Thomson over their expenses, still insists he did nothing wrong, but he and his colleagues are guilty of breathtaking hypocrisy. The political stench will linger. Only by observing a higher standard of conduct can the government start to redeem itself.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/culture-of-entitlement-exposes-rank-hypocrisy-20131007-2v4nj.html#ixzz2h5pySmxP
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I wonder if Abbott can claim a trip to the pub because he is engaging with the community?
:cheers
MPs trip up on travel claims as Labor's attack backfires
October 9, 2013
Jonathan Swan, Daniel Hurst
Federal MPs of all parties are frantically checking their taxpayer-funded travel claims as Tony Abbott defends an Ironman event as a legitimate expense and a Labor attack on the government backfired.
The expenses scandal took a farcical turn when Labor frontbencher Mark Dreyfus demanded an investigation into Coalition travel spending - only to reveal two hours later that he had wrongly billed taxpayers for accommodation on a family ski trip.
Mr Dreyfus said he would repay $466 for two nights' travel allowance he claimed in August 2011 while skiing in Perisher. ''I am sorry for the mistake,'' the shadow attorney-general said.
Tony Abbott competes in the Port Macquarie Marathon.
Legitimate expense: Tony Abbott justifies his participation in the 2011 Ironman event in Port Macquarie. Photo: Peter Gleeson
Despite the growing controversy, Mr Abbott dismissed calls to reform the entitlements system and said he was justified in billing taxpayers thousands of dollars to attend sporting events and charity bike rides because he was engaging with the community.
To compete in the Port Macquarie Ironman in 2011, Mr Abbott claimed $941 for flights and $349 for overnight accommodation for an event he described as ''official business''. Mr Abbott said the Ironman was a ''community event'' in a marginal seat and he did not travel ''simply for sporting events''.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mps-trip-up-on-travel-claims-as-labors-attack-backfires-20131008-2v6ef.html#ixzz2hAIM89W0
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I love my daily read of the Left Today with my first morning coffee. ;D
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How hard would it be to make all pollies apply for official travel, have it approved by a non-partisan Public Service authority under set guidelines and then receive a set allowance - meals, accommodation, fares etc, like they make every other Public Service Officer do. It's just the same as their unique superannuation scheme - 2 sets of rules. And this cuts across all parties, none of them are fair dinkum when it comes to travel entitlement claims, as history has shown time and time and time again.
All pigs are equal.............
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I love my daily read of the Left Today with my first morning coffee. ;D
Do you think the taxpayers should be funding Tony's Sporting pursuits?
He certainly does. Most other Pollies are repaying their claims but not Tony.
:lol
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I'm pretty sure he did repay all of them except that one so to me that suggests he does believe that it was official business and in some way it's probably not a lot different to going to other local events such as fete's etc - they are all about engaging with the local community as he said. Weddings on the other hand........
I'm not condoning it '65 but don't use it to say one side is better than the other - in this area both are as bad as each other.
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How hard would it be to make all pollies apply for official travel, have it approved by a non-partisan Public Service authority under set guidelines and then receive a set allowance - meals, accommodation, fares etc, like they make every other Public Service Officer do. It's just the same as their unique superannuation scheme - 2 sets of rules. And this cuts across all parties, none of them are fair dinkum when it comes to travel entitlement claims, as history has shown time and time and time again.
All pigs are equal.............
Personally I reckon it's a great idea and perfect solution to the pollies clearly rorting the system
But I think both sides will want a parliamentary enquiry though, can't let common sense get in the way of all sides of politics wasting taxpayers money ;D
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I'm pretty sure he did repay all of them except that one so to me that suggests he does believe that it was official business and in some way it's probably not a lot different to going to other local events such as fete's etc - they are all about engaging with the local community as he said. Weddings on the other hand........
I'm not condoning it '65 but don't use it to say one side is better than the other - in this area both are as bad as each other.
Wrong
From the Age
Abbott's claims
To compete in the Port Macquarie Ironman in 2011, Mr Abbott claimed $941 for flights and $349 for overnight accommodation for an event he described as ''official business''. Mr Abbott said the Ironman was a ''community event'' in a marginal seat and he did not travel ''simply for sporting events''.
The Prime Minister also claimed travel allowances to cycle in the Pollie Pedal charity fund-raiser each year, saying it was a ''serious act of community engagement'' rather than a ''frolic''. Labor backed the cause as worthwhile.
A Fairfax Media analysis shows Mr Abbott claimed more than $23,000 on trips associated with the 2012 Coffs Coast Cycle Challenge, the 2011 Bathurst V8 Supercar Race, the 2010 Melbourne Cup, the 2010 Boxing Day Test match at the MCG and the 2011 Birdsville Races
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mps-trip-up-on-travel-claims-as-labors-attack-backfires-20131008-2v6ef.html#ixzz2hBFd901V
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and from the same article
How he can have taxpayers fund his charity work escapes me.
(http://images.smh.com.au/2013/10/08/4814141/ipad0910abbot_expenses-300x0.jpg)
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Fast becoming the worst government in history
Joe Hockey's L-plates are there for all to see
October 9, 2013 - 12:42PM
Michael Pascoe
Time for Joe Hockey to provide some balanced comments on the economy.
First the new Prime Minister gaffes big time over a free trade agreement with China with his “whatever we can get” kowtow. Now the new Treasurer is promoting old Australian growth figures from the International Monetary Fund as fresh bad news for the economy. The L plates are being worn large this spring.
Overnight the IMF got around to adopting the existing Reserve Bank and Treasury forecasts for Australian economic growth, which is what it routinely does. In cutting its forecast for Australia's 2013 GDP to 2.5 per cent, the IMF was catching up with what the RBA was saying five months ago in its May statement on monetary policy. Treasury took a little longer to revise its more optimistic budget night forecasts, but by the August monetary policy statement and Treasury economic statement, the numbers were all aligned and pretty much what the IMF produced two months later.
Treasurer Joe Hockey didn't treat it that way, issuing a statement to tell us the IMF had downgraded its expected growth rates for the Australian economy by 0.5 per cent. More bemusingly, the Treasurer said: "Worryingly, the IMF forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to rise from 5.6 per cent in 2013 to 6.0 per cent in 2014.”
It seems poor Joe has been in negative opposition mode for so long, he doesn't recognise possible good news when he sees it. That IMF unemployment forecast is an improvement on what the RBA and Treasury have been saying. The budget back in May guessed unemployment would be 6.25 per cent by June and the pre-election economic and fiscal outlook forecast it would stay there for another year.
Maybe Joe not only didn't believe treasury's figures, maybe he didn't read them.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-lplates-are-there-for-all-to-see-20131009-2v752.html#ixzz2hCA5eRIJ
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and from the same article
How he can have taxpayers fund his charity work escapes me.
Probably the same way Rudd and Combet and Crean can have the taxpayer fund their attendance at Bob Hawke's birthday (including strippers) in 2009 or the same way Gillard can have the taxpayer fund a VIP jet to fly her to her Press Secretary's wedding in Byron Bay in 2012 or the same way Dreyfus can have taxpayer funding for a family skiing trip to Perisher in 2011 or Conroy can have taxpayer funding for his attendance at the 2012 Australian Open or Wayne Swan and his daughter can have taxpayer funding their attendance at the AFL and NRL Grand Finals in 2010 or Gillard can have taxpayer funding a trip to pose knitting for Women's Weekly in 2013 or Gillard's partner can have taxpayer funding for driving around the country in 2007 selling hair product.
And on Abbot's attendance at the Ironman event, he was actually invited there by the McGrath Foundation (whose shirt he wore while competing), he attended the annual dinner and fundraiser for the local hospital (as he has each year he has attended) and visited the local hospital on the evening prior. I suppose it would have been more acceptable to you to had he attended a local strip show - that appears to the behaviour our previous fine custodians of the public purse deemed appropriate.
People in glass houses..................
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All good and fine but...
He, Tony, is saying he did nothing wrong.
Everybody else has paid the money back. Tony hasn't.
:cheers
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No, not everybody else has paid it back at all.
That is quite irrelevant to my original point however - I said I didn't like it or agree with it, and I posted a solution that I believe is workable if either side of politics had the moral balls to propose it. But where you are showing your inability to think outside the 'Left is right' square is by singularly highlighting the failure of Abbott when so many others on both sides have (innocently or otherwise) made claims that don't meet the guidelines. Kinda makes it hard to reasonably consider your other posts on politics when you have an obvious mental block to the concept that Labor can do wrong because what I know from my time voting and following politics is that no side is right all the time - ever.
:thumbsup
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No, not everybody else has paid it back at all.
That is quite irrelevant to my original point however - I said I didn't like it or agree with it, and I posted a solution that I believe is workable if either side of politics had the moral balls to propose it. But where you are showing your inability to think outside the 'Left is right' square is by singularly highlighting the failure of Abbott when so many others on both sides have (innocently or otherwise) made claims that don't meet the guidelines. Kinda makes it hard to reasonably consider your other posts on politics when you have an obvious mental block to the concept that Labor can do wrong because what I know from my time voting and following politics is that no side is right all the time - ever.
:thumbsup
Once again...
I am not pro-Labor
Just anti the hopeless hack of a prime minister we have at the moment.
I would vote for the Libs under Turnbull in a flash.
Abbott is effing hopeless. Fancy telling the Chinese that we would accept any sort of free trade deal that we could get.
:cheers
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Read if you want, if you don't want then stuff off.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-09/jericho-what-is-said-in-opposition-stays-in-opposition/5009086
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I'll stuff off thanks
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Tony thinks he is beyond reproach.
Tony Abbott refuses to bend the rules on MPs' entitlements
October 11, 2013
Jonathan Swan, David Wroe
Tony Abbott is resisting demands from all sides of politics to rein in MPs' entitlements, with one of his colleagues saying taxpayer-funded weddings and sporting events failed the "pub test".
After repaying expenses that he claimed for attending weddings and defending using the public purse to compete in an ironman event, Mr Abbott is under pressure to fix the system.
Clive Palmer, who could hold the balance of power in the new Senate, said Mr Abbott needed to change the rules immediately. Labor, the Greens and the independent Senator Nick Xenophon all warned the Prime Minister not to ignore the need for reform.
Even a member of Mr Abbott’s party, Liberal MP Dennis Jensen, said the rules were too vague and needed to be clarified. Another Liberal colleague, Victorian MP Russell Broadbent, said he did not think attendance at weddings and sporting events passed the “pub test” for legitimate use of public funds.
Under the present rules, federal MPs are entitled to taxpayer-funded travel anywhere in Australia for ''parliamentary, electorate or official business''.
Mr Abbott used the term ''official business'' to justify billing taxpayers $1300 to compete in the 2011 Port Macquarie Ironman.
Despite repeated requests, Mr Abbott's office has not provided details of any other community events or official business he conducted while in Port Macquarie other than competing in the triathlon.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-refuses-to-bend-the-rules-on-mps-entitlements-20131010-2vbm0.html#ixzz2hMMvW1jI
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kangaroo poo throwing senator muir
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Tony is god
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Tony is god
At the very least he thinks he is.
:lol
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Hey '65, what's your stance on a national education system or keeping the status quo with state-based systems? No hidden agenda in my question, I'm just interested in your thoughts as a teacher. What prompted me to ask was an article I read in The Australian today:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/national-curriculum-mired-in-half-baked-fads/story-fnbkvnk7-1226738503819 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/national-curriculum-mired-in-half-baked-fads/story-fnbkvnk7-1226738503819)
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Complete waste of time unless the money is spent to do it properly.
:cheers
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John Howard would have sacked the lot of them.
Quarter of frontbench in expenses storm
Political News Date October 12, 2013
A quarter of Tony Abbott's frontbench is now embroiled in the expenses scandal after Immigration Minister Scott Morrison and Assistant Minister for Defence Stuart Robert repaid taxpayer funds for attending a colleague's wedding.
Six frontbenchers, including the Prime Minister, are involved in taxpayer-funded trips, with the total charge to taxpayers for the Coalition's wedding attendances now more than $16,000.
Only a quarter of this has been refunded. About $12,000 of the total includes ''study tour'' entitlements claimed by three MPs to return home from the wedding in India of the granddaughter of Gina Rinehart's business partner - an expense they maintain is legitimate.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/quarter-of-frontbench-in-expenses-storm-20131011-2vdxb.html#ixzz2hTVIYCnj
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and proof...
Ministerial code of conduct
The coalition campaigned on a policy of "clean government" as a contrast to the previous government. A "Code of Ministerial Conduct" was introduced in fulfilment of this pledge. The code required ministers to divest shares in portfolios that they oversaw and to be truthful in parliament. The code eventually led to seven cabinet ministers resigning following breach of the code. Jim Short and Brian Gibson both resigned in October 1996[20] as both held shares in companies that were within their ministerial portfolios. Bob Woods resigned in February 1997 over questionable ministerial expense claims. Geoff Prosser resigned in July 1997 following the disclosure that he was a shopping centre landlord whilst he was responsible for commercial tenancy provisions of the Trade Practices Act 1975. John Sharp, David Jull and Peter McGauran resigned in September 1997 over irregularities in the use of ministerial travel allowances in what became known in the media as the "Travel Rorts Affair". John Moore and Warwick Parer survived revelations about his shareholdings.[28] Parer however was not reappointed to the Second Howard Ministry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Government
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So where are all the Abbott lovers?
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So where are all the Abbott lovers?
Did he really have any? Governments are thrown out more than Oppositions voted in.
Shorten the new Opposition leader btw.
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So where are all the Abbott lovers?
You have bored the crap out of everyone with your posts in this thread and they avoid it like perving on a tryst between Rudd and Gillard
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So where are all the Abbott lovers?
You have bored the crap out of everyone with your posts in this thread and they avoid it like perving on a tryst between Rudd and Gillard
Except you, hey?
:cheers
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It's like road kill I can't help but take a look
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It's like road kill I can't help but take a look
:lol
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Fast becoming the worst Prime Minister in history.
read the article and see what a moron this man is.
Abbott walking tricky tightrope on diplomacy
October 15, 2013
Hugh White
Our Prime Minister needs to think before opening his mouth, both here and abroad.
Travelling abroad, Tony Abbott has been saying things very different from what we have heard from him in Australia. There are two ways to interpret this. One is to praise him for suddenly becoming a statesman, putting the national interest over petty domestic politics. The other is to see him as weak, unprincipled and insincere. The first interpretation has prevailed among Australia's kind-hearted commentators. But our regional neighbours are not so generous and they will incline to the second interpretation. So Abbott's diplomacy is off to a shaky start.
Abbott has made two mistakes common among domestically oriented politicians when high office thrusts them into foreign affairs. One is to think that diplomacy means avoiding disagreements by saying what you think your interlocutor wants to hear. This gets you into trouble when different people want to hear different things.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-walking-tricky-tightrope-on-diplomacy-20131014-2viqg.html#ixzz2hkGyT9Hh
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Republican s in good form
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Another Liberal scum bag rorting the system.
Little Johnny Howard would have sacked him.
WA MP Don Randall claimed travel entitlements for 'electorate business' in Cairns
By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths
A Federal MP from Western Australia has claimed more than $5,000 in travel entitlements to go to Cairns on "electorate business".
The Liberal member for the WA seat of Canning, Don Randall, claimed the cost of a one-night stay in the far north Queensland city for himself and his wife, as well as two airfares from Perth each worth $2,388.20.
A week after the November 18 trip, Mr Randall updated his register of members interests to declare that he had bought an investment property in Cairns.
"My wife and I have taken possession of the house at the Cairns location. We intend to rent the house as an investment," he stated in the register on November 26.
A spokeswoman for Mr Randall says the MP has "no comment".
The ABC has asked via email whether the money is within entitlements and whether he intends to repay it.
The story first emerged on Fairfax media this afternoon and is the latest in a string of revelations involving both Coalition and Labor MPs making questionable claims. Some have been repaid.
It has also emerged that Mr Randall used his parliamentary allowance to purchase books, including the Guinness World Records and a book about Broadway Musicals.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/questions-over-don-randall-expense-claims/5026388
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More trouble in paradise for Abbott.
Parental leave may trigger revolt
October 17, 2013
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
Tony Abbott may have a more pressing challenge than convincing Labor to abandon its carbon price - keeping his own senators in line over issues such as his generous paid parental leave scheme.
Simmering resentment within the Coalition parties over both policy and personnel within the still new Abbott government, including anger at what one called ''the iron fist approach'' of the Prime Minister's office, has increased the possibility of an outbreak of ill-discipline as early as the new year.
Rightly or wrongly, some MPs blame Mr Abbott's chief of staff, Peta Credlin, alleging she has exercised excessive influence over everything from policy priorities to public appearances by senior ministers.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/parental-leave-may-trigger-revolt-20131016-2vn0x.html#ixzz2hvCcC5mL
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This is what got Peter Slipper into trouble, someone asked the Feds to investigate.
Watch this space.
Labor MP Rob Mitchell asks AFP to investigate Tony Abbott’s expense claims
October 17, 2013 - 1:43PM
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter
Labor MP Rob Mitchell has written to the Australian Federal Police to request formal investigations into the alleged misuse of parliamentary entitlements by Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Attorney-General George Brandis.
Saying it was "extremely alarming" to see continued reporting of MPs seemingly abusing their taxpayer-funded expense claims, Mr Mitchell urged the AFP to launch an investigation "as a matter of urgency".
The Victorian MP singled out the Prime Minister for what he described as a "systematic" pattern of claims, including about $1700 to attend the weddings of former colleagues Peter Slipper and Sophie Mirabella and billing taxpayers thousands of dollars to compete in a range of sporting events including the Port Macquarie Ironman.
Mr Abbott has since repaid the costs he claimed for both weddings.
"What concerns the Australian public is what appears to be a consistent and deliberate abuse of taxpayer funds for personal gain," Mr Mitchell writes.
Mr Brandis was singled out for claiming expenses to attend the weddings of Mr Slipper and the former radio presenter Michael Smith – which Mr Brandis has since repaid – and for his $13,000 taxpayer-funded personal library.
Mr Brandis has defended the claims for books as legitimate, saying all acquisitions were ''clearly within the entitlement''.
"Two sets of rules appear to be in play for federal MPs," Mr Mitchell writes.
"Mr Brandis made significant personal effort to ensure police scrutiny and prosecution of a former MP [Peter Slipper] over his alleged false travel entitlement claims."
Mr Mitchell said he needed to have absolute faith in his own expenses to lodge these complaints, given Labor MPs and senators have also been exposed for questionable claims.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-mp-rob-mitchell-asks-afp-to-investigate-tony-abbotts-expense-claims-20131017-2vog3.html#ixzz2hwhgBWs0
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:lol
It is soooooooo nothing like what got Slipper into trouble.
Slipper went on a 'winery crawl' using government Cabcharges and asked the cabbies to falsify the information on the cabcharge vouchers so that it appeared he made completely different trips to the ones he made. That's why he was charged with criminal offences and why his situation is completely different. All the other politicians (Libs and labor) claimed expenses that stated what they did - whether the reasons/justifications fitted within the guidelines or were valid is another point and why so many of them have repaid part or all of the disputed amounts.
I don't condone any politician claiming travel or other expenses without it being 100% for work purposes and I am on record in this thread for saying the same and suggesting a (maybe) workable solution but to suggest it is what got Slipper into trouble is plain wrong. At the worst any investigation will find that the justification does not fit within the guidelines and the money will have to be repaid unless there is evidence that records have been falsified or hidden and then charges could be laid. I would think that Don Randall has serious questions to answer because at face value it appears he has used an unjustifiable reason for his claims and I would fully support an investigation into those but your are wasting your time getting excited and breathless if you think Abbott, Brandis, Dreyfus, Combet, Crean etc are going to the gallows over this.
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:lol
It is soooooooo nothing like what got Slipper into trouble.
Slipper went on a 'winery crawl' using government Cabcharges and asked the cabbies to falsify the information on the cabcharge vouchers so that it appeared he made completely different trips to the ones he made. That's why he was charged with criminal offences and why his situation is completely different. All the other politicians (Libs and labor) claimed expenses that stated what they did - whether the reasons/justifications fitted within the guidelines or were valid is another point and why so many of them have repaid part or all of the disputed amounts.
I don't condone any politician claiming travel or other expenses without it being 100% for work purposes and I am on record in this thread for saying the same and suggesting a (maybe) workable solution but to suggest it is what got Slipper into trouble is plain wrong. At the worst any investigation will find that the justification does not fit within the guidelines and the money will have to be repaid unless there is evidence that records have been falsified or hidden and then charges could be laid. I would think that Don Randall has serious questions to answer because at face value it appears he has used an unjustifiable reason for his claims and I would fully support an investigation into those but your are wasting your time getting excited and breathless if you think Abbott, Brandis, Dreyfus, Combet, Crean etc are going to the gallows over this.
Excited and breathless?
Please.
I cannot remember a government that has looked so bad so early in its term of office.
:cheers
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:lol
It is soooooooo nothing like what got Slipper into trouble.
Slipper went on a 'winery crawl' using government Cabcharges and asked the cabbies to falsify the information on the cabcharge vouchers so that it appeared he made completely different trips to the ones he made. That's why he was charged with criminal offences and why his situation is completely different. All the other politicians (Libs and labor) claimed expenses that stated what they did - whether the reasons/justifications fitted within the guidelines or were valid is another point and why so many of them have repaid part or all of the disputed amounts.
I don't condone any politician claiming travel or other expenses without it being 100% for work purposes and I am on record in this thread for saying the same and suggesting a (maybe) workable solution but to suggest it is what got Slipper into trouble is plain wrong. At the worst any investigation will find that the justification does not fit within the guidelines and the money will have to be repaid unless there is evidence that records have been falsified or hidden and then charges could be laid. I would think that Don Randall has serious questions to answer because at face value it appears he has used an unjustifiable reason for his claims and I would fully support an investigation into those but your are wasting your time getting excited and breathless if you think Abbott, Brandis, Dreyfus, Combet, Crean etc are going to the gallows over this.
Excited and breathless?
Please.
I cannot remember a government that has looked so bad so early in its term of office.
:cheers
;D
I can.
2007.
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So 65, where is your report on the Nicola Roxon story? Probably the hottest political story going around at the moment and you missed it for fluff pieces on parliamentary entitlements. I wonder why??
Well here is the link Courtesy of the ABC.... :lol
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/nicola-roxon-kevin-rudd-bastard-james-button-memorial-lecture/5027030
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So 65, where is your report on the Nicola Roxon story? Probably the hottest political story going around at the moment and you missed it for fluff pieces on political entitlements. I wonder why??
Well here is the link Courtesy of the ABC.... :lol
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/nicola-roxon-kevin-rudd-bastard-james-button-memorial-lecture/5027030
Quite a speech but really...
Nicola who?
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I should have known better than to enter this thread after seeing piles of old newspapers lining the hallway and having to negotiate my way past more than 2 dozen cats. :banghead
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:lol
It is soooooooo nothing like what got Slipper into trouble.
Slipper went on a 'winery crawl' using government Cabcharges and asked the cabbies to falsify the information on the cabcharge vouchers so that it appeared he made completely different trips to the ones he made. That's why he was charged with criminal offences and why his situation is completely different. All the other politicians (Libs and labor) claimed expenses that stated what they did - whether the reasons/justifications fitted within the guidelines or were valid is another point and why so many of them have repaid part or all of the disputed amounts.
I don't condone any politician claiming travel or other expenses without it being 100% for work purposes and I am on record in this thread for saying the same and suggesting a (maybe) workable solution but to suggest it is what got Slipper into trouble is plain wrong. At the worst any investigation will find that the justification does not fit within the guidelines and the money will have to be repaid unless there is evidence that records have been falsified or hidden and then charges could be laid. I would think that Don Randall has serious questions to answer because at face value it appears he has used an unjustifiable reason for his claims and I would fully support an investigation into those but your are wasting your time getting excited and breathless if you think Abbott, Brandis, Dreyfus, Combet, Crean etc are going to the gallows over this.
Excited and breathless?
Please.
I cannot remember a government that has looked so bad so early in its term of office.
:cheers
That's because you are a biased flog
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That's because you are a biased flog
:lol
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This is what got Peter Slipper into trouble, someone asked the Feds to investigate.
Watch this space.
Smokey has already pointed out the difference between these matters and the Slipper situation but to put your concerns at ease the police have forwarded on the letters to the correct department which would be already investigating the matters already I would presume.
The AFP later confirmed receiving two letters from Mr Mitchell and a number of complaints from members of the public about the alleged misuse of entitlements by members of parliament.
"The Department of Finance is responsible for the administration of entitlements for members of the Australian Parliament," the AFP said in a statement.
It said it was not investigating the allegations, but had forwarded them to the finance department.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/mp-asks-police-to-probe-abbott-brandis/story-fn3dxiwe-1226741762569
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So why did Slipper get charged?
:cheers
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As the last line says "And this before Parliament's even convened for the first time."
'Trust-me Tony's' silence on expenses is curious
Political Opinion Date October 17, 2013 - 7:20PM
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
When Tony Abbott wasn't casting the election as a referendum on the carbon tax or border security, he was framing it as a referendum on trust.
Restoring trust in government, voters were assured, was the bare minimum Australians were owed after the multiple breaches of the Rudd/Gillard period.
Measured against this imperative, the Prime Minister's studied silence on the ongoing expenses scandal ensnaring some of his own MPs is curious.
Advertisement It is jarring to see how quickly the public's reasonable expectation of probity in its political representatives has been superseded by the reflex to secrecy and self-protection in the new political class.
A series of reports by Fairfax Media exposing the imprecise world of MP's expenses claims, has raised genuine questions. Questions which go to the integrity of the system, and by extension, the quality of individuals involved.
This, it must be acknowledged is a difficult area to police. In many respects, the MP's job is a unique one and the totality of tasks and responsibilities, hard to codify.
What constitutes legitimate "work" can be a matter of some perspective, which is why the system is so self-regulated and thus intrinsically open to abuse.
Most taxpayers would say attending a wedding is not work under any circumstances. Ditto for attending big sporting events – the kind that many taxpayers cannot afford the entry to let alone the airfares and accommodation they find themselves unwittingly funding.
The inscrutability of the Government and faux indignation of many MPs that their claims on the public purse are being scrutinised is about the only thing genuinely transparent here.
Spectacular examples of rorting, such as those in Britain's House of Commons, make constant public vigilance a necessity.
Mr Abbott's reluctance to reset the standards and be seen to prosecute fraudulent behaviour, suggest the government has already switched to putting its own political interest above those of voters.
And this before Parliament's even convened for the first time.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/trustme-tonys-silence-on-expenses-is-curious-20131017-2vpjm.html#ixzz2hyGjyy4n
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So why did Slipper get charged?
:cheers
Because when the police investigated they found he had deliberately aided and abetted the forging of documents giving himself a financial advantage from the public purse. And if Abbott, Brandis, Dreyfus, Combet, Crean, Swan, Gillard (who is still under investigation on an unrelated but much more serious matter) et al are found to have done the same then I would expect them to be criminally charged accordingly (and I would fully support such action regardless of the person or party involved). But I don't expect any of them to be charged because the circumstances (based on the reporting by many different media agencies) are completely different. I'm quite staggered that you don't' see anything wrong in what Slipper did!
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and why is he suddenly deciding to repay?
WA MP Don Randall to repay money amid travel claims furore
By Hayley Roman
The West Australian Liberal MP Don Randall has announced he will repay the travel expenses he claimed for a trip to Cairns last year.
Mr Randall has come under scrutiny for spending taxpayers' money on travel to the Far North Queensland town with his wife in November on what he said was "electorate business".
A week later, he disclosed that he'd taken possession of an investment property in Cairns.
The cost of the airfares and travel allowance was more than $5,000.
Mr Randall has issued a statement saying that as the Finance Department cannot provide him with definitive advice about the claim, he has decided to repay the costs to ensure the right thing is done by the taxpayer.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/call-for-randall-to-resign/5029032
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I am not alone in my opinion
Yes Slipper is guilty but so is this arse wipe.
Dishonesty separates the dubious claims
Date October 17, 2013
Tom Allard
Expenses scandal widens
Liberal MP Don Randall is under pressure to explain billing tax payers for an extensive collection of books and a trip to Cairns.
West Australian MP Don Randall should be lawyering up and preparing for a full investigation by the Australian Federal Police after revelations of his taxpayer-funded cross-continental trip to Cairns last year, apparently to take possession of an investment property.
That is, if you take the experience of former MP Peter Slipper as the standard, rather than the cosy arrangement that all other federal politicians have enjoyed for more than a decade.
Slipper's case is now before the courts and, if found guilty of three counts of ''dishonestly'' causing a risk of loss to the Commonwealth, the man who left the Liberal Party to take on the lucrative job of Speaker could face prison time.
Normally a politician would be able to repay any misused entitlements as long as it is ''relatively minor''. Past experience shows that claims of more than $10,000 have been judged minor.
Hundreds of dubious claims have been repaid by MPs on the quiet. Data is incomplete but the only comprehensive figures show the payback provision was used 136 times by 56 politicians between 2005 and 2010, totalling $93,044.06.
No MP has been referred by the Department of Finance to the federal police, as is allowed.
The reason Slipper is before the courts is that a former staff member took the matter straight to the federal police last year and circumvented Finance. Slipper alleges James Ashby was part of a conspiracy by Liberal Party operatives seeking to discredit him after he left the party.
Slipper's alleged rorting of Cabcharge expenses for three separate tours of wineries amounted to just $1194, less than a quarter of the cost of the trip by Randall and a family member (believed to be his wife) to Cairns.
But the key word when it comes to any criminal investigation leading to court proceedings is ''dishonesty''. Slipper is facing three charges because he allegedly urged his drivers to break up the journeys into separate Cabcharge dockets to avoid any adverse scrutiny from Finance, which monitors and pays entitlements.
Yet it appears Randall, too, has been dishonest. He claimed the $5259 cost of his return flight from Perth to Cairns should be drawn from the public purse because he was on ''electorate business''.
The evidence suggests his main, if not only, order of business on the rapid turnaround trip was to secure the investment property.
While electorate business does not have to be confined to a member's seat, it does involve representing your constituents' interests, rather than your own.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/dishonesty-separates-the-dubious-claims-20131016-2vn45.html#ixzz2hyUMXM9M
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and why is he suddenly deciding to repay?
Probably the same reason all the rest of them (both parties, many times, many years) did. What is your point exactly? You have been magnificently reticent in bringing any Labor politicians to task on this same issue! Do you believe there should be a tightening and strengthening of the guidelines that apply to politician's travel entitlements?
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I am not alone in my opinion
Yes Slipper is guilty but so is this arse wipe.
At face value without the benefit of an official police investigation I certainly agree with you. It would appear from the media-provided facts that this guy is every bit as guilty as Slipper and should be dealt with accordingly. But that has been my stance all along '65 - I'm not so sure you have been willing to view it from a neutral viewpoint and makes me a it bemused that you believe it is all one-party related, especially from someone that has gone on the record here as saying that if Turnbull were leader he would have voted Liberal.
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all any of this highlights is just how low the australian voting public will accept of the standards of their politicians and then just argue that the other side does it as some sort of justification.
Only two prime minsters have suffered a fall in approval ratings so soon after being voted in, Gillard and now Abbot, but as Ive said before, we get the government we deserve.
.....and nicola roxons comments should not be swept aside so casually. what that git ended up being was a long way off what was portrayed, but that is the way our democratic system works.
as Winston Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried, and that the best argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter
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Now the Libs are turning on themselves.
Abbott, Brandis face federal police probe
Date October 18, 2013
Mark Kenny, Daniel Hurst, Heath Aston
Expenses claims by Tony Abbott and Attorney-General George Brandis have been referred to the Australian Federal Police, and a senior Liberal has been urged to resign by one of his own colleagues as the expenses scandal continues to dog the government.
West Australian state Liberal MP Rob Johnson has called on Mr Abbott to dump the embattled federal WA Liberal Don Randall over a taxpayer-funded trip to Cairns with his wife in November, 2012.
That cost $5259 and has not been explained beyond the two words ''electorate business''.
The Randalls took possession of an investment property in Cairns at the time - a fact recorded in the parliamentary register of members' financial interests just a week after the Cairns visit.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-brandis-face-federal-police-probe-20131017-2vpqw.html#ixzz2i0XbDWqF
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Hey '65, you do realise that all the pieces you kindly quote to us every morning are just opinion pieces written by left wing journo's? I could saturate this thread with just as many similar right wing generated pieces that will paint a picture of good stable government getting on with fixing all the broken bits but they would be just as irrelevant to the reality of it as your articles.
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all any of this highlights is just how low the australian voting public will accept of the standards of their politicians and then just argue that the other side does it as some sort of justification.
Only two prime minsters have suffered a fall in approval ratings so soon after being voted in, Gillard and now Abbot, but as Ive said before, we get the government we deserve.
.....and nicola roxons comments should not be swept aside so casually. what that git ended up being was a long way off what was portrayed, but that is the way our democratic system works.
as Winston Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried, and that the best argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter
Where did you get your ratings figures from Al? I haven't seen any of the normal polls come out since the election.
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heard it mentioned on the radio the other day. The didnt say ( or i didnt hear) what the poll was or the actual results, just that they are the only two prime ministers to have have suffered such a drop in approval/popularity so soon after being elected
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it was heard on the radio it must be true.
Id rather wait for the polls mate.
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:lol oh no. cant have something bad said about your beloved tony now, can we?
winston was pretty much on the money
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:lol oh no. cant have something bad said about your beloved tony now, can we?
winston was pretty much on the money
Tony is fast becoming the worst Prime Minister in history.
And he is not the one in charge, somebody else is pulling the strings.
:shh
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Spill the beans '65, I love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
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:lol oh no. cant have something bad said about your beloved tony now, can we?
winston was pretty much on the money
next to the previous government of 07-12 he is an angel. No one has died under his parties botched scheme's yet from what i recall.
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:lol oh no. cant have something bad said about your beloved tony now, can we?
al have you got 65 on mute or something???
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Spill the beans '65, I love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
Credlin's 'star chamber' rewarding Liberal Party loyalists
October 5, 2013
Heath Aston
Prime Minister Tony Abbott refers to her as ''the boss'' and Peta Credlin is proving why, stamping her authority on the make up of the government.
Fairfax Media has learned Ms Credlin, who steered Mr Abbott's path to The Lodge as his chief-of-staff, is deciding every government appointment from top ministerial aides right down to the electorate staff of new MPs.
She sits at the head of the government's ''star chamber'', which has already knocked back some applicants put forward by cabinet ministers.
Sitting on the star chamber panel are federal Liberal Party director Brian Loughnane - Ms Credlin's husband - along with John Howard's former chief of staff, Tony Nutt, and ministers Michael Ronaldson and Kevin Andrews.
Appointments already made suggest a strong emphasis on previous experience in the Howard years of government and a direct working connection to Mr Abbott or Ms Credlin.
''It's fair to say they are putting the Howard band back together but there are three key categories: Credlin loyalists, Abbott loyalists and Howard loyalists,'' said a Liberal source.
Credlin loyalists include Jane McMillan, who has stepped across from Australia Post to head up the Prime Minister's media unit. The pair worked together as staffers for senator Helen Coonan in the Howard government.
Ms Credlin has appointed Andrew Hirst as deputy chief of staff. He has been promoted from the ranks of the media team, having previously worked with her in Brendan Nelson's office in opposition.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/credlins-star-chamber-rewarding-liberal-party-loyalists-20131004-2uzyu.html#ixzz2i1vAoyC1
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Parental leave may trigger revolt
October 17, 2013
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
Tony Abbott may have a more pressing challenge than convincing Labor to abandon its carbon price - keeping his own senators in line over issues such as his generous paid parental leave scheme.
Simmering resentment within the Coalition parties over both policy and personnel within the still new Abbott government, including anger at what one called ''the iron fist approach'' of the Prime Minister's office, has increased the possibility of an outbreak of ill-discipline as early as the new year.
Rightly or wrongly, some MPs blame Mr Abbott's chief of staff, Peta Credlin, alleging she has exercised excessive influence over everything from policy priorities to public appearances by senior ministers.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/parental-leave-may-trigger-revolt-20131016-2vn0x.html#ixzz2i1w4lVLE
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Lots more evidence out there.
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:lol oh no. cant have something bad said about your beloved tony now, can we?
al have you got 65 on mute or something???
:lol
nah he's the reverse, there can be nothing good about tony.
i suppose that makes daniel 56?
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and...
Senior Abbott staffers furious after being told they will not get pay rise
By political reporter Andrew Greene
Some senior advisers in the Abbott Government are furious after being told by the Prime Minister's chief of staff that they will not be getting a pay rise.
That is despite their bosses receiving much larger salaries that come with moving from opposition into the ministry.
Several Coalition staff members have told the ABC's AM program it is another example of the power wielded by Peta Credlin in Tony Abbott's office.
AM has spoken to several disgruntled staffers who have accused the Prime Minister's Office of ruthlessly exercising power and "shafting" them.
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I wonder how many other workers out there have been denied pay rises while their bosses still get increases. Hardly earth shattering news. The old saying is if you aren't happy in the job, leave for something better.
65 I think you need to lift your game. This story is probably the most useless one you have posted. :cheers
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I wonder how many other workers out there have been denied pay rises while their bosses still get increases. Hardly earth shattering news. The old saying is if you aren't happy in the job, leave for something better.
65 I think you need to lift your game. This story is probably the most useless one you have posted. :cheers
I think you missed the point.
:cheers
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no one should be reading that socialist nonsense. all abbotts staff should be happy they are working for a winner. its better than working for shortin and plibersek.
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I think they will erect a statue of Tony in front of Parliament House when his time is up in 15 years or so
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I think they will erect a statue of Tony in front of Parliament House when his time is up in 15 years or so
thats right chucky and whilst there at it they should put one up of johnny howard and bob menzies and no one should forget the great one billy mcmahon. these men are the doyens of Australian political history. 65 will agree surely he will agree?
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I think they will erect a statue of Tony in front of Parliament House when his time is up in 15 years or so
thats right chucky and whilst there at it they should put one up of johnny howard and bob menzies and no one should forget the great one billy mcmahon. these men are the doyens of Australian political history. 65 will agree surely he will agree?
I love it
:clapping
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Tony and his cronies ranted and raved about the debt crisis and the Budget emergency.
And the morons who voted for him fell for it...
Why isn't Abbott acting on the 'budget emergency'?
By Stephen Koukoulas
Posted Thu 17 Oct 2013, 3:03pm AEDT
Tony Abbott has wisely left Australia's fiscal settings exactly as they were under Labor, putting the lie to his hysterical pre-election economic rhetoric,[/ writes Stephen Koukoulas.
Almost two months after a thumping election victory, there is not one hint of any economic policy change from the Abbott Government that will deal with the budget bottom line. Yet until the day before the election, this was painted by the Coalition as an "emergency" or "crisis".
The reason is obvious. The budget is in triple-A shape and in the complete opposite of an emergency.
If there were a budget emergency, Treasurer Joe Hockey and the Government would have acted with the same speed on spending and revenue measures as they have shown over abolishing the carbon price and implementing their boats policy.
Which goes back to the main point.
The six years of Labor Party government through to September 2013 were characterised by pragmatic, prudent and ultimately successful management of the economy. While some of the politics was astray, Australia's economy is in tip-top shape as a result of this record of first class economic management.
The economic runs on the board delivered by Labor include six extra years of unbroken economic and employment growth, a halving of the inflation rate, further solid increases in per capita GDP, and ongoing prosperity. If Tony Abbott can maintain the same record as Labor in his term in government, even without the negative shocks from the global economy, he will have done well.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-17/koukoulas-budget-emergency-fiction/5028770
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and so it begins...
Labor's Barry Collier returns to NSW Parliament after record swing against O'Farrell Government in Miranda by-election
By election analyst Antony Green
The O'Farrell Government has suffered a stunning defeat to Labor in the Miranda by-election.
Labor's Barry Collier will return to State Parliament on the back of a 27 per cent swing - the largest swing ever recorded at a New South Wales by-election.
Mr Collier was previously a popular local member for Miranda, representing the seat in state Parliament from 1999 until choosing to retire at Labor's defeat in 2011.
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http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-joins-davidson-rural-fire-brigade-to-fight-nsw-bushfires/story-fni0xqrc-1226743334542
How good is Tony Abbot, should be knighted.... Sir Tony has a ring to it.
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http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-joins-davidson-rural-fire-brigade-to-fight-nsw-bushfires/story-fni0xqrc-1226743334542
How good is Tony Abbot, should be knighted.... Sir Tony has a ring to it.
Vladimir would be proud of our Tony. :thumbsup
(http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/10/285x214/263589_1.jpg)
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http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-joins-davidson-rural-fire-brigade-to-fight-nsw-bushfires/story-fni0xqrc-1226743334542
How good is Tony Abbot, should be knighted.... Sir Tony has a ring to it.
As long as he is on the front line during the indo-australia war
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Time for Tony to be PM not a wanna-be Putin type. (a positive article)
Maybe it's time to hang up the fire gear, Mr Prime Minister
October 22, 2013 - 9:48AM
Mark Kenny
Taken individually, and even together, Tony Abbott's extracurricula activities are laudable in just about every respect.
The out-doorsy Abbott's personal fitness regimen is legendary, made famous (or infamous, depending on your perspective) by his red swimming trunks and hirsute athletic form, as he's taken part in surf-life saving activities and competitions.
His pre-dawn work-out schedule of running or riding or swimming, is a model for all Australians capable of taking charge of their physical selves.
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The unavoidable message to many who fool themselves otherwise, is that if he, the Prime Minister of the country, can find time to undertake such vigorous regular exercise, then those of us with less demanding jobs can at least manage something – a daily walk for example.
Exercise is crucial to cardio-vascular health and much besides, and the 56-year-old Abbott is to be commended for resisting the tendency to become less active with age or to allow other pressures to crowd out physical activity.
The same can be said for his annual volunteering in remote indigenous communities for up to a week or so, his volunteer firefighting, and of course, his spectacularly successful Pollie Pedal which has raised so much for charities and taken politicians and media through long-neglected regional Australia.
But after a weekend when the Prime Minister spent much of his time doing the hands-on work on the fire-ground, the questions arise: is he doing too much outside his demanding day job and is it the best use of his time?
When a national emergency is unfolding, and when all kinds of high-level decision making is required, wouldn't we rather have the Prime Minister on the end of the phone line than the end of a fire-hose? Indeed, he can be a firefighter from there, but can he be a prime minister?
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/maybe-its-time-to-hang-up-the-fire-gear-mr-prime-minister-20131022-2vxro.html#ixzz2iPcWvqd1
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Tony is digging himself a very big hole. If the trip was justified why did Randall pay back the money?
'Very important discussions': Tony Abbott defends Don Randall's Cairns trip
October 23, 2013 - 12:30PM
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has provided the first explanation from the government for West Australian MP Don Randall's taxpayer-funded trip to Cairns, saying Mr Randall had ''very important discussions'' with the then Coalition whip.
Mr Randall, who also took possession of an investment property during the overnight stay with his wife, has refused on seven separate occasions to answer questions from Fairfax Media on the issue.
Fairfax Media revealed last week that Mr Randall billed taxpayers $5259 for his Cairns trip in November 2012 on the grounds of "electorate business".
A week later the MP updated his pecuniary interests, saying: "My wife and I have taken possession of the house at the Cairns location. We intend to rent the house as an investment."
After three days of intense media pressure Mr Randall promised late last week to refund taxpayers to "alleviate any ambiguity".
Yet Mr Abbott, speaking on Fairfax Radio on Wednesday, suggested the trip was justified.
"The gentleman in question [Mr Randall] tells me that ... he went from Perth to Cairns to have some very important discussions with the whip," Mr Abbott said. The whip at the time was Leichardt MP Warren Entsch, whose electorate takes in Cairns.
But when quizzed by The Australian Financial Review, Mr Entsch refused to divulge the content of those discussions and admitted he did not know if they constituted "electorate business" as Mr Randall had claimed.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/very-important-discussions-tony-abbott-defends-don-randalls-cairns-trip-20131023-2w0aw.html#ixzz2iVQOclF1
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Well Tony is found out to be the lying prick that he is.
The worst PM in history already. I can't wait until Parliament starts.
:lol
and yes Smokey you got the PM you voted for.
MP's expense scandal: Don Randall's account of his expenditure differs to Tony Abbott's
Date October 24, 2013 - 7:10PM
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter
Don Randall has spoken publicly for the first time since it was revealed he took a taxpayer-funded trip with his wife to Cairns on the same week they took possession of their investment property.
The West Australian Liberal MP, who has since promised to repay more than $5000 he spent on the Cairns trip to “alleviate any ambiguity”, has given a different explanation for the journey than that of his leader Tony Abbott.
Mr Randall told a Perth suburban newspaper, the Armadale Examiner, he flew to Cairns in his capacity as shadow parliamentary secretary for local government.
On Wednesday, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said Mr Randall flew to Cairns to have "very important discussions” with the then opposition whip, Warren Entsch.
Advertisement Asked why Mr Randall could not have used a telephone to talk to Mr Entsch – rather than flying more than 3000 kilometres on business class flights with his wife to the same location as his investment property – the Prime Minister said some discussions were "best done face to face."
A spokeswoman for Mr Entsch later said: "Yes he did meet with Don Randall for a couple of hours, but the content of that conversation was private."
It is unclear when Mr Randall's interview with the weekly newspaper took place.
Fairfax Media revealed last week that Mr Randall billed taxpayers $5259 for his Cairns trip in November 2012 on the grounds of "electorate business."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mps-expense-scandal-don-randalls-account-of-his-expenditure-differs-to-tony-abbotts-20131024-2w49b.html#ixzz2ictVhIjJ
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do you ever stop man?
Fair enough to have an opinion but you bombard us daily with this club.
You dont think TA has done anything descent, how about lending support to bush fires.
Pretty sad you would rather support a Gillard/Rudd government where peoples lives were actually lost due to incompetence vrs a PM who actually tries to save them.
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do you ever stop man?
Fair enough to have an opinion but you bombard us daily with this club.
You dont think TA has done anything descent, how about lending support to bush fires.
Pretty sad you would rather support a Gillard/Rudd government where peoples lives were actually lost due to incompetence vrs a PM who actually tries to save them.
U don't wanna read political news? What's the other option? Parrot 'stop the boats' and worship oil companies?
Un charging pollution, denying the effects of human impact of potential disaster etc are reasonable important
Fighting fires on the front line is vote getting rubbish IMO. Surely the country would be better suited with him in an office.
Labor/ Liberal is the same ...
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Well Tony is found out to be the lying prick that he is.
The worst PM in history already. I can't wait until Parliament starts
:lol
and yes Smokey you got the PM you voted for.
MP's expense scandal: Don Randall's account of his expenditure differs to Tony Abbott's
Date October 24, 2013 - 7:10PM
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter
Don Randall has spoken publicly for the first time since it was revealed he took a taxpayer-funded trip with his wife to Cairns on the same week they took possession of their investment property.
The West Australian Liberal MP, who has since promised to repay more than $5000 he spent on the Cairns trip to “alleviate any ambiguity”, has given a different explanation for the journey than that of his leader Tony Abbott.
Mr Randall told a Perth suburban newspaper, the Armadale Examiner, he flew to Cairns in his capacity as shadow parliamentary secretary for local government.
On Wednesday, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said Mr Randall flew to Cairns to have "very important discussions” with the then opposition whip, Warren Entsch.
Advertisement Asked why Mr Randall could not have used a telephone to talk to Mr Entsch – rather than flying more than 3000 kilometres on business class flights with his wife to the same location as his investment property – the Prime Minister said some discussions were "best done face to face."
A spokeswoman for Mr Entsch later said: "Yes he did meet with Don Randall for a couple of hours, but the content of that conversation was private."
It is unclear when Mr Randall's interview with the weekly newspaper took place.
Fairfax Media revealed last week that Mr Randall billed taxpayers $5259 for his Cairns trip in November 2012 on the grounds of "electorate business."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mps-expense-scandal-don-randalls-account-of-his-expenditure-differs-to-tony-abbotts-20131024-2w49b.html#ixzz2ictVhIjJ
The crap written by these so-called 'journalists' you keep trotting out '65 is exceeded only by the crap you preface each post with. Please read the article again and point out where Randall and Abbott have different versions of the story. Randall never said he didn't meet with Entsch, just that he had visited in his capacity as Shadow Parliamentary Secretary. And Abbott never said he didn't visit in any other capacity, just that he had met with Entsch. Yet a junior provincial reporter using a headline suggesting the accounts differ is enough to make you fill your corduroys with warm and sticky, even when there is not one shred of evidence to back it up.
I'm on record with my opinion on politicians who rort the system but unlike you, I appear capable of making my own mind up on what I read and what I hear in the big world around me, instead of choosing the blind faith ideological path you have chosen. As sadly so do many of your 'academic' contempories. What a better place we would leave for our children if they were taught to question and debate instead of following the lead lemmings over the edge. And you would have voted for Turnbull.....................yeah, right.
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Just can't get past the fact that this government has stuffed up so many things in it's first six weeks.
We are the laughing stock of the world.
Abbott is a dangerous man to have in power.
:cheers
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Sadly, you can't get over the fact that they are our popularly elected government, something Gillard could never lay claim to.
:thumbsup
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Well Tony is found out to be the lying prick that he is.
The worst PM in history already. I can't wait until Parliament starts
:lol
and yes Smokey you got the PM you voted for.
MP's expense scandal: Don Randall's account of his expenditure differs to Tony Abbott's
Date October 24, 2013 - 7:10PM
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter
Don Randall has spoken publicly for the first time since it was revealed he took a taxpayer-funded trip with his wife to Cairns on the same week they took possession of their investment property.
The West Australian Liberal MP, who has since promised to repay more than $5000 he spent on the Cairns trip to “alleviate any ambiguity”, has given a different explanation for the journey than that of his leader Tony Abbott.
Mr Randall told a Perth suburban newspaper, the Armadale Examiner, he flew to Cairns in his capacity as shadow parliamentary secretary for local government.
On Wednesday, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said Mr Randall flew to Cairns to have "very important discussions” with the then opposition whip, Warren Entsch.
Advertisement Asked why Mr Randall could not have used a telephone to talk to Mr Entsch – rather than flying more than 3000 kilometres on business class flights with his wife to the same location as his investment property – the Prime Minister said some discussions were "best done face to face."
A spokeswoman for Mr Entsch later said: "Yes he did meet with Don Randall for a couple of hours, but the content of that conversation was private."
It is unclear when Mr Randall's interview with the weekly newspaper took place.
Fairfax Media revealed last week that Mr Randall billed taxpayers $5259 for his Cairns trip in November 2012 on the grounds of "electorate business."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mps-expense-scandal-don-randalls-account-of-his-expenditure-differs-to-tony-abbotts-20131024-2w49b.html#ixzz2ictVhIjJ
The crap written by these so-called 'journalists' you keep trotting out '65 is exceeded only by the crap you preface each post with.
:clapping
That is worthy of a sig change
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Sadly, you can't get over the fact that they are our popularly elected government, something Gillard could never lay claim to.
:thumbsup
Ricky Muir represented AMEP in Victoria at the election and won a 14.3 percent quota after preferences on a record-low primary vote of 0.51 percent or 17,122 first preferences[12][13][14] (previous record held by Family First's Steve Fielding in 2004 on 1.9 percent in Victoria)[15] and will assume his seat from 1 July 2014. Larger parties including the incoming government are looking at changes to the group voting ticket system.[16][17][18]
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Sadly, you can't get over the fact that they are our popularly elected government, something Gillard could never lay claim to.
:thumbsup
Ricky Muir represented AMEP in Victoria at the election and won a 14.3 percent quota after preferences on a record-low primary vote of 0.51 percent or 17,122 first preferences[12][13][14] (previous record held by Family First's Steve Fielding in 2004 on 1.9 percent in Victoria)[15] and will assume his seat from 1 July 2014. Larger parties including the incoming government are looking at changes to the group voting ticket system.[16][17][18]
I'm with you on that Bents. I don't think the preferential system is a fair reflection of the wishes of the electorate either. :thumbsup
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agree on the preference system, but the current circumstance is more a refection on a (too) slowly growing dissatisfaction of the two major parties.
Of course rather than accept this and change their ways, they will band together and change the rules so that no one can challenge their duopoly and they can continue down their merry way of arrogant incompetence, buoyed by the knowledge that there will always be people who will ignore the incompetence, deceit and arrogance, and accept being treated with contempt from the party they barrack for.
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Disgraceful, labor party should be on criminal charges
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/kevin-rudd-to-be-questioned-over-botched-insulation-scheme-after-abbott-government-orders-formal-inquiry/story-fnii5v71-1226747504790
Four deaths due purely to the Rudd led labor government and half arsed rushed initiatives
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Disgraceful, labor party should be on criminal charges
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/kevin-rudd-to-be-questioned-over-botched-insulation-scheme-after-abbott-government-orders-formal-inquiry/story-fnii5v71-1226747504790
Four deaths due purely to the Rudd led labor government and half arsed rushed initiatives
Yeah right.
Another inquiry into this (there have been eight so far) will bring what?
This government is so bad they have to go back four years to find something to deflect from their own stupidity.
Maybe Greg Hunt should just look it up on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Efficient_Homes_Package
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Tony clearly does not know how to be a PM.
Abbott's 'rookie mistake' won't help relations with Obama: scholar
Date October 28, 2013
David Wroe
Tony Abbott's use of a Washington Post interview to brand his Labor predecessors as ''wacko'' and ''embarrassing'' could set back his working relationship with the Obama White House, a leading US commentator says.
Norman Ornstein, an author and political scientist with the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute, said he ''winced'' when he read the interview in which the Prime Minister put the boot into the Rudd-Gillard government in unusually strong language for a foreign interview.
''It really does violate a basic principle of diplomacy to drag in your domestic politics when you go abroad,'' Dr Ornstein said. ''It certainly can't help in building a bond of any sort with President Obama to rip into a party, government and, at least implicitly, leader with whom Obama has worked so closely. Perhaps you can chalk it up to a rookie mistake. But it is a pretty big one.''
Politicians worldwide typically refrain from engaging in fierce domestic political argument when they are speaking to an overseas audience.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-rookie-mistake-wont-help-relations-with-obama-scholar-20131027-2w9r9.html#ixzz2iwrDha00
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Tony clearly does not know how to be a PM.
Abbott's 'rookie mistake' won't help relations with Obama: scholar
Date October 28, 2013
David Wroe
Tony Abbott's use of a Washington Post interview to brand his Labor predecessors as ''wacko'' and ''embarrassing'' could set back his working relationship with the Obama White House, a leading US commentator says.
Norman Ornstein, an author and political scientist with the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute, said he ''winced'' when he read the interview in which the Prime Minister put the boot into the Rudd-Gillard government in unusually strong language for a foreign interview.
''It really does violate a basic principle of diplomacy to drag in your domestic politics when you go abroad,'' Dr Ornstein said. ''It certainly can't help in building a bond of any sort with President Obama to rip into a party, government and, at least implicitly, leader with whom Obama has worked so closely. Perhaps you can chalk it up to a rookie mistake. But it is a pretty big one.''
Politicians worldwide typically refrain from engaging in fierce domestic political argument when they are speaking to an overseas audience.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-rookie-mistake-wont-help-relations-with-obama-scholar-20131027-2w9r9.html#ixzz2iwrDha00
Abbott can have one serious f-up per day and still be lightyears ahead of this knobnuts:
The US embassy on Kevin Rudd
Date December 9, 2010
''Rudd … undoubtedly believes that with his intellect, his six years as a diplomat in the 1980s and his five years as shadow foreign minister, he has the background and the ability to direct Australia's foreign policy. His performance so far, however, demonstrates that he does not have the staff or the experience to do the job properly.''
''Rudd … has made a number of missteps on foreign policy. Repeatedly, Rudd has made snap announcements without consulting other countries or within the Australian government.''
''Significant blunders include … Rudd's June speech announcing that he would push for the creation of an 'Asia-Pacific Community' loosely based on the EU. This was done without advance consultation with either countries or within the Australian government.''
''There has been persistent criticism from senior civil servants, journalists and parliamentarians that Rudd is a micro-manager obsessed with managing the media cycle rather than engaging in collaborative decision-making.''
''Rudd has appropriated control of foreign-policy formulation and decision-making, leaving his Foreign Minister to perform mundane, ceremonial duties and relegating the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to a backwater.''
''Other foreign diplomats, in private conversations with us, have noted how much DFAT seemed to be out of the loop.''
''Mistakes that have occurred because of a haphazard, overly secretive decision-making process are likely to continue. Rudd is a centraliser by nature who will only grudgingly share the decision-making on foreign policy.''
''Rudd's self-serving and inaccurate leaking of details of a phone call between President Bush and him cast further doubt on his foreign policy judgment.''
''The Israeli ambassador told us that senior DFAT officials are frank in asking him what PM Rudd is up to and admit that they are out of the loop. DFAT morale has plummeted.''
http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-us-embassy-on-kevin-rudd-20101208-18pse.html#ixzz2ixPqa6wm (http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-us-embassy-on-kevin-rudd-20101208-18pse.html#ixzz2ixPqa6wm)
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Kevin Who?
:lol
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Published on Friday, October 25, 2013 by The Guardian
As Europe Erupts Over US Spying, NSA Chief Says Government Must Stop Media
With General Alexander calling for NSA reporting to be halted, US and UK credibility as guardians of press freedom is crushed
by Glenn Greenwald
:clappinghttps://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/10/25-13
Stop the media
Stop the boats
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Published on Friday, October 25, 2013 by The Guardian
As Europe Erupts Over US Spying, NSA Chief Says Government Must Stop Media
With General Alexander calling for NSA reporting to be halted, US and UK credibility as guardians of press freedom is crushed
by Glenn Greenwald
:clapping https://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/10/25-13
Stop the media
Stop the boats
:lol
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Disgraceful, labor party should be on criminal charges
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/kevin-rudd-to-be-questioned-over-botched-insulation-scheme-after-abbott-government-orders-formal-inquiry/story-fnii5v71-1226747504790
Four deaths due purely to the Rudd led labor government and half arsed rushed initiatives
Yeah right.
Another inquiry into this (there have been eight so far) will bring what?
This government is so bad they have to go back four years to find something to deflect from their own stupidity.
Maybe Greg Hunt should just look it up on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Efficient_Homes_Package
Nuffin wronk wif wiki halfe your students fink its the bible and use it for theres hoameworkes ok?
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Disgraceful, labor party should be on criminal charges
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/kevin-rudd-to-be-questioned-over-botched-insulation-scheme-after-abbott-government-orders-formal-inquiry/story-fnii5v71-1226747504790
Four deaths due purely to the Rudd led labor government and half arsed rushed initiatives
Yeah right.
Another inquiry into this (there have been eight so far) will bring what?
This government is so bad they have to go back four years to find something to deflect from their own stupidity.
Maybe Greg Hunt should just look it up on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Efficient_Homes_Package
Nuffin wronk wif wiki halfe your students fink its the bible and use it for theres hoameworkes ok?
:facepalm
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Published on Friday, October 25, 2013 by The Guardian
As Europe Erupts Over US Spying, NSA Chief Says Government Must Stop Media
With General Alexander calling for NSA reporting to be halted, US and UK credibility as guardians of press freedom is crushed
by Glenn Greenwald
:clappinghttps://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/10/25-13
Stop the media
Stop the boats
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html
:whistle
"
The original NSA whistleblower, Russ Tice, who is a former intelligence analyst for the U.S. Air Force, Office of Naval Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and NSA, claimed in a June radio interview with Peter B. Collins and Sibel Edmonds that the situation was far worse than the public was aware of at the time.
It's looking more and more like he was telling the truth.
Here's an excerpt:
"They went after high ranking military officers. They went after members of congress. The Senate and the House - especially on the intelligence committees, and on the armed services committees and judicial. But they went after other ones too. They went after lawyers and law firms. Heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the supreme court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after state department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House - their own people! They went after anti-war groups. They went after US companies that do international business around the world. They went after US banking firms and financial firms that do international business. They went after NGOs like the red cross and people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few anti-war civil rights groups...
Now here's the big one. I haven't given you any names. This was in summer 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-something year old wanna-be Senator from Illinois. You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It's a big White House in Washington DC. That's who they went after. And that's the President of the United States now. And I could give you names of a bunch of different people they went after that I saw! The names and the phone numbers of congress. Not only the names but it looked like staff people too, and their staff. And not only their Washington office but back home in their congressional offices that they have in their home state offices and stuff like that. This thing is incredible what NSA has done. They've basically turned themselves - in my opinion - into a rogue agency that has J Edgar Hoover capabilities on a monstrous scale on steroids."
He also names others who have been spied on--including Kucinich, Leahy, Feinstein, and Alito.
EDIT:
Here's the best way for you to get the attention of your senators and representatives - protip from a former senate intern
Here's the body of a letter I submitted to my regional newspaper yesterday--it should be published by Monday at the latest
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http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1pjq0j/nsa_infiltrates_links_to_yahoo_google_data/
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Tony has a long way to go.
Russian president Vladimir Putin topples Barack Obama on Forbes magazine's list of powerful people
Russian president Vladimir Putin has unseated Barack Obama as the world's most powerful person, according to Forbes magazine.
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1120562-3x2-940x627.jpg)
It is the first time in three years that the US president has not come in at number one on the annual list and came as US-Russia relations slid to a new low.
Forbes magazine says the Russian leader has solidified power after 13 years of dominant rule, while Mr Obama is more of a "lame duck", recently plagued by domestic issues in his second and final term as US president.
China's new president Xi Jinping follows behind in third place, while Pope Francis, the leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics, is a newcomer to the list at number four.
German chancellor Angela Merkel rounds out the top five and is one of just nine women on the list of 72 powerful people.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-31/vladimir-putin-barack-obama-forbes-most-powerful-person/5059470
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http://www.itproportal.com/2013/10/31/nsa-officials-told-to-evoke-911-sympathies-when-justifying-mass-surveillance/
A newly released internal document reveals details of how officials at the American National Security Agency (NSA) should cite 9/11 and the fear of future attacks when answering questions about the spying programme.
Al Jazeera America obtained the government document through a Freedom of Information Act request, which details 'soundbites that resonate' and suggested talking points when dealing with the media and with Congress following the spy scandal that originated from leaked NSA documents by former contractor Edward Snowden.
Included in the 'soundbites that resonate', is the suggested response: "I much prefer to be here today explaining these programs, than explaining another 9/11 event that we were not able to prevent."
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ASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has ordered the National Security Agency to stop eavesdropping on the headquarters of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank :o
as part of a review of intelligence gathering activities, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
The order is the latest move by the White House to demonstrate that it is willing to curb at least some surveillance in the wake of leaks by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden of programs that collect huge quantities of data on U.S. allies and adversaries, and American citizens.
The NSA's surveillance of the Washington-based IMF and World Bank has not previously been disclosed. Details of such spy programs are usually highly classified.
In response to Reuters inquiries, a senior Obama administration official said, "The United States is not conducting electronic surveillance targeting the headquarters of the World Bank or IMF in Washington."
The Obama administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, did not address whether the NSA had eavesdropped on the two entities in the past.
The first official said Obama had ordered a halt to such practices within the last few weeks, about the same time he instructed the NSA to curtail eavesdropping on the United Nations headquarters in New York.
The IMF and the World Bank both declined to comment.
Representatives of the NSA and the Office of Director of National Intelligence had no immediate comment.
Loch K. Johnson, a former congressional oversight aide who is now a professor of international relations at the University of Georgia, said Obama made the right decision by curbing eavesdropping on international organizations and friendly foreign leaders such as German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
"I think it's a good idea to cut back on surveillance" of economic-related targets, Johnson said. "The enemy is terrorism and we should focus on that. We have to focus almost all of our resources on Al Qaeda and its affiliates," he said.
Paul Pillar, a former senior analyst for the Central Intelligence Agency, said that U.S. policy makers have to weigh the value of collecting intelligence on an organization like the IMF against the risk it will become public.
"In this instance the gain from that information is likely to be minimal," Pillar said.
"Sound analysis on international economic issues of concern to U.S. policymakers is apt to draw more from other sources of information, both secret and public, and from tapping relevant expertise both outside and inside government, than from eavesdropping on conversations at the IMF," he added.
It is no secret that U.S. spy agencies historically have collected and analyzed information related to economic affairs - in public briefings to Congress, top intelligence officials have discussed assessments of economic issues.
But a former senior U.S. intelligence official said that the Obama Administration had put greater emphasis and resources than predecessors into collecting and assessing economic information.
In February 2009, shortly after Obama entered the White House, the Central Intelligence Agency began producing a new "Economic Intelligence Brief" for him to review along with the regular President's Daily Brief on international security and threats.
Leon Panetta, Obama's first CIA director, said at the time the change was aimed at understanding the implications of the global economic crisis, and that the agency was considering hiring more economic analysts.
The former U.S. intelligence official noted that insider detail on economic policy developments - for example, financial crises affecting the economies of European countries such as Greece, Italy and Spain, and the stability of the Euro - is the type of critical information U.S. policymakers welcome.
The desire by U.S. policymakers for such information could help explain why NSA collected information on foreign leaders such as Merkel. Her cellphone number was listed in a NSA targeting document, which German media outlets apparently obtained from Snowden's cache. U.S. officials have now indicated that much NSA eavesdropping on Merkel and other allied leaders is likely to be curtailed if not halted.
(Additional reporting by Warren Strobel; Editing by Tiffany Wu and Grant McCool)
This post originally appeared at Reuters. Copyright 2013.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-orders-nsa-to-stop-spying-on-the-world-bank-imf-2013-10#ixzz2jOHYNNa9
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http://rt.com/news/snowden-letter-germany-asylum-091/
“Though the outcome of my efforts has been demonstrably positive, my government continues to treat dissent as defection, and seeks to criminalize political speech with felony charges that provide no defense. However, speaking the truth is not a crime,”
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Worth a read but the bit I have included here really says it all
The shame that is Abbott's foreign aid policy
Date November 2, 2013
Mark Baker
''We can't continue to fund a massive increase in foreign aid at the expense of investment in the Australian economy,'' Hockey declared. Abbott added insult to that injury: ''We will build the roads of the 21st century rather than shovel money abroad.''
That message might have gone down well in some of the marginal seats that delivered victory to Abbott, but it also sent a blunt signal to our neighbours and the rest of the world: to smooth the way for Australian motorists, the new government is prepared to ride roughshod over the world's poor and retreat from this nation's long-standing commitment to the global fight against hunger, disease and illiteracy.
The cuts will have a profound impact on Third World communities in desperate need - and yes, as Oxfam has warned, it will cost many lives that might have been saved. They will also reinforce growing perceptions throughout the Asia-Pacific region and beyond that Australia is a spoilt and selfish country that's indifferent to the moral obligations of the richest nations to the poorest.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-shame-that-is-abbotts-foreign-aid-policy-20131101-2wrxt.html#ixzz2jSmEy9aK
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Tony more Stalin than putin
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No quotes this time. Read the article if you want.
If not then eff off and be happy in your political ignorance.
:cheers
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-04/maccallum-our-ignorance-wont-stay-blissful-forever/5067688
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http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/11/04/yemen_drones_teenagers
'Droned' means killed by a flying human less gunboat robot now? :(
Droned: verb: to shoot a paki via your computer
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Abbott is a troglodyte
Razor taken to CSIRO
November 8, 2013
Noel Towell, Mark Kenny, Bridie Smith
Almost a quarter of scientists, researchers and workers at Australia's premier science institution will lose their jobs under the federal government's present public service jobs freeze.
The blanket staff freeze across the public service threatens the jobs of 1400 "non-ongoing" workers at the CSIRO and could paralyse some of the organisation's premier research projects, with a ban on hiring, extending or renewing short-term contracts effective immediately.
The impact of the freeze on the CSIRO follows fears expressed in the scientific community about the Abbott government's failure to nominate a dedicated science minister out of his cabinet or ministerial team. The concerns have been heightened by subsequent decisions, including the closure of the global warming advisory body the Climate Change Commission, and revelations on Thursday that Australia will not be sending its Environment Minister, Greg Hunt, or any ministerial stand-in to international climate change negotiations starting on Monday in Warsaw.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/razor-taken-to-csiro-20131107-2x4fu.html#ixzz2k0s9DJpb
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Bishop made it clear that she would not be getting her hands dirty
with the detail of how the aid axe will fall.
That will be left to her parliamentary secretary, Senator Brett Mason, whose fine human rights credentials are about to be put to the torch.
In her speech to the conference, Labor's shadow foreign affairs minister, Tanya Plibersek, declared what was once a bipartisan position: ''The fundamental goal of Australia's aid policy should be to overcome poverty and improve lives.'' In an
ad-libbed dig at Bishop, she added: ''Maybe that's a new benchmark.''
It also took Plibersek to make the crucial point that targeted and well-managed foreign aid is making a huge difference. Six million fewer children died in 2012 than in 1990, and the developing world is on track to halve the number of people living in poverty by 2015.
Just two days before the federal election, the Coalition finally announced how it planned to balance its budgetary books. And the biggest figure on the back of treasurer-in-waiting Joe Hockey's beer coaster was a $4.5 billion cut in the projected foreign aid budget over four years to help fund ''essential infrastructure'' in Australia.
''We can't continue to fund a massive increase in foreign aid at the expense of investment in the Australian economy,'' Hockey declared
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-shame-that-is-abbotts-foreign-aid-policy-20131101-2wrxt.html#ixzz2k0zhhbcd
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How many Ukrainians died when Stalin pulled the food?
How many Africans die when Tony pulls away the food money?
An open letter to Mr Abbott: Invest in foreign aid for a prosperous Australia
Dear Mr Abbott,
Congratulations on your election as Prime Minister of Australia.
As CEO of CARE Australia, which last year helped 3.6 million people across 26 developing countries, I welcome your commitment this week to better leverage NGOs’ experience to deliver on-the-ground support for some of the poorest and most marginalised communities around the world.
owever, your decision to cut $4.5 billion from the foreign aid budget will have a devastating impact on people living in poverty across the globe and in many of our neighbouring countries. Australia – and Australia’s last Liberal Prime Minister, John Howard – made a historic promise to contribute 0.5 per cent of Australia’s Gross National Income to overseas aid as part of the Millennium Development Goals. While I welcome your commitment to achieving this goal, I urge your Government to set a timeline for doing so.
Here is why:
As well as saving lives and helping some of the 1.3 billion people living in extreme poverty, aid also fosters economic growth and enhances our region’s security.
If we do not tackle the problem of extreme poverty, already pressing problems such as conflict, mass migration and uncontrollable climate change will be made worse.
Australia will ultimately be judged by both the effectiveness of its aid program and the extent to which it meets those internationally agreed targets for aid volume.
Mr Abbott, we do not have to choose between the needs of Australians and the millions of people who live in poverty – we are wealthy enough to take care of both. This is a view shared by the Australian public.
An omnibus survey last year showed that almost 60 per cent of Australians believe that giving aid should not be a negotiable item in the Federal Budget.
Australia is not a generous aid donor, but we should be. Our aid program is helping to create a more stable and prosperous world in which Australia will flourish. As a prominent member of the international community, the current Chair of the United Nations Security Council and the 2014 Chair of the G20, Australia must pay a fair share of assistance to the address the world’s most pressing problems.
I urge you, as our Prime Minister-elect, to consider whether Australia, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, can afford to cut the assistance required to meet the humanitarian and development needs of the poorest.
Yours sincerely,
Dr Julia Newton-Howes
CEO CARE Australia
http://blog.care.org.au/
Ironically Australia is cutting its foreign aid budget by AUD 4.5 Billion over the next 4 years, while at the same time increasing its intelligence budget. This is not a good message to be sending out to the region if sincere and open engagement is truly sort by the Abbott Government. Asia is judging Australia by its actions, not rhetoric, and there appears to be a massive failure which the Abbott Government must quickly react to, if Australia’s interests are to be safeguarded
That message might have gone down well in some of the marginal seats that delivered victory to Abbott, but it also sent a blunt signal to our neighbours and the rest of the world: to smooth the way for Australian motorists, the new government is prepared to ride roughshod over the world's poor and retreat from this nation's long-standing commitment to the global fight against hunger, disease and illiteracy.
:clapping
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-shame-that-is-abbotts-foreign-aid-policy-20131101-2wrxt.html#ixzz2k12SvOlq
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The fun starts next week.
There's nowhere to hide in Question Time
By Paula Matthewson
Fri 8 Nov 2013, 8:43am AEDT
Will Tony Abbott try to step in to protect a weak minister?
When Australia's 44th Parliament sits for the first time next Tuesday, there will be nowhere for the Coalition's media shy ministers to hide, writes Paula Matthewson.
Next week, while most of Australia is already counting the hours until the first ball of the Ashes, political aficionados will be tuning in to watch the Abbott Government's first parliamentary session.
Some will do so for the pomp of the official opening. Others will be looking for a bit of biffo during Question Time. And those with the acquired taste will settle in for the often surprisingly entertaining Senate Estimates proceedings.
But mostly, these democracy diehards will be looking for evidence that the weeks since the September federal election were merely a disappointing hiatus and not a disconcerting sign of things to come.
Of principal interest will be how the Coalition adapts its low/no information approach to the demands of parliamentary scrutiny. It's no revelation that very few of the new ministers are strong parliamentary performers. While it's one thing for the Prime Minister to keep newbie ministers away from the risks of media events and other public appearances, it's more difficult to protect them from a brace of ex-ministers on the opposition benches bristling with knowledgeable questions.
What will Prime Minister Tony Abbott do if the Opposition runs a concerted Question Time campaign against a weak minister? How would Environment Minister Greg Hunt cope, for instance, under sustained and systematic questioning from Labor MPs on the impacts of climate change and his previous support for an emissions trading scheme? Being not that great a debater himself, the PM may see more risk in stepping in for his minister than leaving him to fend for himself.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/matthewson-theres-nowhere-to-hide-in-question-time/5078142
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Even this ex-Liberal minister thinks Tony is in trouble.
:lol
Tony Abbott's government needs to make sure it's doing the things it was elected to do
Date November 11, 2013
Amanda Vanstone
Former Howard government minister
snipped...
After a period of working together a clear understanding should be had by all as to what needs to be co-ordinated and what is more run of the mill stuff that can be left to individuals. Over-co-ordinating could run the risk of producing a blandness that the electorate might find calming but unpalatable dross.
The other side to this story is that the business of government is enormous. No one person, office or department can be across everything. Media co-ordination isn't about control, it's about co-ordination. If that is all that is happening, we can be grateful.
Ministers are responsible to their electors for being in Parliament, and to Tony Abbott for being office holders. Having two bosses isn't always easy. At the same time the PM, while responsible to his electorate, gets his high office from the vote of his colleagues. That is a formula for mutual respect. It should work quite well.
Sadly, sometimes co-ordination can slip out of control. If that is what is intended, or is allowed to happen we should worry. And no one should worry more than Abbott.
As someone recently said, ''nothing leaks like unhappiness''.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbotts-government-needs-to-make-sure-its-doing-the-things-it-was-elected-to-do-20131110-2x9v5.html#ixzz2kMJRblpY
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Some facts about mandates...
:cheers
Ending the squabble over election mandates
By Joff Lelliott
Mon 11 Nov 2013
Until our major parties can agree on what policy promises must be honoured by an opposition, we'll continue to hear the same tired debate over mandates after every election, writes Joff Lelliott.
Tony Abbott's demand that Labor "repent" and wave his repeal of carbon pricing through the Senate is a curious mixture of breathtaking hypocrisy and sensible reform of the political system.
First to the breath-taking hypocrisy.
In 2007, Labor's election campaign under Kevin Rudd centred on two key policies: a price on carbon and reversing the Coalition's WorkChoices legislation.
It was Abbott as Liberal leader who insisted the Coalition block the carbon price in the Senate. This was despite Labor's undoubted electoral mandate in the House of Representatives where Labor had 83 seats to the Coalition's 65.
But the hypocrisy goes beyond this.
Abbott had been a senior minister in the previous Coalition government which also fought the 2007 election promising a price on carbon. He happily went back on an election promise both he and his party had made.
And there's yet more hypocrisy.
Through 2009, the Labor government negotiated with the Liberal opposition under Malcolm Turnbull to secure passage of carbon price legislation, even amending the bill to gain Liberal Party support. Then there was a last minute coup and, against expectations, Abbott squeaked into the Liberal Party leadership with a one-vote victory over Malcolm Turnbull. Abbott immediately reneged on the agreement.
So, not only did Abbott ignore Labor's mandate, he abandoned his own election promise and shredded a deal his party had made just days earlier. As one Labor MP said to me at the time, "our mistake was taking the Liberals at their word".
It beggars belief that Tony Abbott now lectures Labor about mandates.
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I hope the MODs here at OER are taking notice name calling is now allowed in our Federal parliament.
I hope we can lower ourselves to the same standards.
:lol
Epic fail: New Speaker Bronwyn Bishop stumbles at first hurdle
November 13, 2013
Michael Gordon
Bronwyn Bishop has failed the first test of her speakership and this parliament is in danger of being just as rancorous as the last one.
The woman who built a reputation on her encyclopaedic knowledge of Parliament's standing orders declined to apply one of the most basic rules of decorum when Christopher Pyne set out to ridicule Labor's fledgling leader, Bill Shorten on Wednesday morning.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has been calling Shorten ''Electricity Bill'' for days on the basis that Labor's opposition to the repeal of the carbon tax will add to consumers' power bills.
But when he was pressed on Tuesday on whether the put-down was in keeping with the promise of a more civil political discourse, he replied: ''Well, it would probably be ruled out of order in the Parliament, I accept that, and obviously when I'm in the Parliament I am subject to the standing orders as interpreted by Speaker Bronwyn Bishop, or Madam Speaker, I probably should say.''
This should have been a hint to colleagues to show some restraint when the real business of the 44th Parliament began.
As Abbott said when Bishop was elevated to the post on Tuesday: ''When any of us are tempted to be low, mean or petty, the member for Mackellar is well equipped to recall us to our duty. This parliament will be a different one and a better one, I hope.''
But, frustrated that Labor was seeking to delay the introduction of the carbon tax repeal legislation by bringing on a debate about the Government's secrecy on its policy to stop the boats, Pyne led the counter-attack and quickly branded Shorten ''Electricity Bill''.
When Tony Burke, in the new role of key Labor tactician in the House, demanded that he withdraw, he was initially ridiculed for not being as sharp on parliamentary practice as his predecessor, Anthony Albanese. He then demonstrated that he is a very worthy replacement.
Abbott appeared to concede as much when he initiated a private chat with Shorten.
The new Speaker probably allowed the epithet because it is at the lower end of the spectrum of parliamentary insults. This was a mistake, and Burke made a compelling case that it is contrary to the bold print in standing order 64, which requires MPs to refer to each other only by their title, and the promise of higher standards.
When his repeated requests for Bishop to reconsider were rebuffed, he moved dissent from the Speakers' ruling. Significantly, rather than mount a defence of the Speaker's ruling, Pyne then moved to gag any argument.
Predictably, Labor lost the vote on party lines, but Bishop lost an early opportunity to set a new standard.
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Lol at abbots opening speech
Yadayada let's be constructive and not bully. Oh dear.
Sticks and stoned will break my boned. Bit 4.5 billion worth of food and water will not hurt me
Granted, "electricity bill is somewhat humorous
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Former PM Kevin Rudd quits Parliament
Date November 13, 2013 - 8:56PM
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
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"There comes a time in every politician?s life when their family says enough is enough": Kevin Rudd.
Former prime minister Kevin Rudd is to quit politics effective from the end of this week.
His departure will force a by-election in the Brisbane seat of Griffith.
Declaring ‘‘it really is time for me to zip,’’ Mr Rudd dropped the bombshell announcement to a packed House of Representatives on Wednesday evening.
‘‘This has been the product of much soul-searching for us as a family over the last few months," he revealed.
‘‘But for me, my family is everything, always has been, always will be, which is why I will not be continuing as a member of this parliament beyond this week."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/former-pm-kevin-rudd-quits-parliament-20131113-2xgxn.html#ixzz2kWDzAMDH
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serve out your term and then quit .....damn these politicians they are the biggest sooks
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My heart bleeds. Don't forget to shut the door on your own way out now dear
The flog should've stood up and apologised to those families who lose their sons/fathers to that botched pink bits scheme of his
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Good to see Tony launching a royal commission into Rudd's roofing insulation. I hope he shows the same dilligence and stands aside when the royal commission into child abuse is handed in.
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Two-faced pollies last night praising and praising Rudd after trashing him and his character for the past 4 years.
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Good riddance to the worst PM in history
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Abbots gone?
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Abbots gone?
:lol
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Abbots gone?
:lol
Unusual that we have the worst PM on record and the worst Speaker at the same time.
:help
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He was on the front line like a true leader in the first Australia-Indo war
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Read this and make your own mind up about Tony Abbott.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-16/abbott-to-sign-deal-on-people-smuggling-with-sri-lanka/5097132
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You have to commend David Cameron for the stance he is taking against Sri Lanka and one can only hope other commonwealth Heads of governement follow suit.
It does appear though, that our own PM is more than willing to turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed in the sri lankan civil war and actually provide the government responsible with military aid, just to appeal to lowest common denominator in his stopping the boats campaign
What is that that saying about all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing?
It is very debatable, though if Mr Rabbit is actually a good man.
This is not about political leanings either, as Cameron is a conservative and The labor government he replaced were just as happy as our own government to turn a blind eye to what went on in sri lanka.
I doubt many people have much of an idea about how bad things got in sri lanka, but this documentary gives a pretty good insight, and you can understand why so many Tamils just want out of the place. They literally copped it from both sides.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz_eCLcp1Mc
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The man who has taken 4.5 billion away from poor peoples food fun
Is going to struggle to tell other leaders off for poor form.
I would of thought
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Credlin's 'star chamber' rewarding Liberal Party loyalists
October 5, 2013
Heath Aston
Prime Minister Tony Abbott refers to her as ''the boss'' and Peta Credlin is proving why, stamping her authority on the make up of the government.
Fairfax Media has learned Ms Credlin, who steered Mr Abbott's path to The Lodge as his chief-of-staff, is deciding every government appointment from top ministerial aides right down to the electorate staff of new MPs.
She sits at the head of the government's ''star chamber'', which has already knocked back some applicants put forward by cabinet ministers.
Sitting on the star chamber panel are federal Liberal Party director Brian Loughnane - Ms Credlin's husband - along with John Howard's former chief of staff, Tony Nutt, and ministers Michael Ronaldson and Kevin Andrews.
Appointments already made suggest a strong emphasis on previous experience in the Howard years of government and a direct working connection to Mr Abbott or Ms Credlin.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/credlins-star-chamber-rewarding-liberal-party-loyalists-20131004-2uzyu.html#ixzz2i1vAoyC1
More evidence about who is running the circus.
PM's office approving all travel by Federal Coalition politicians: Abetz
The Prime Minister's office is vetting all overseas travel by Coalition politicians, senior federal minister Eric Abetz has confirmed.
MPs and Senators must now receive approval before taking overseas study trips, sponsored travel and private holidays, Senator Abetz told a Senate Estimates hearing.
The confirmation was in response to a request for clarification sought by Labor Senator Penny Wong regarding a report that the Prime Minister's chief of staff had been personally ruling on the travel requests.
"There is one statement in [the report] which says it is the Prime Minister's expectation that no absences from parliament will be sought and, where leave is unavoidable, approval from the whip etc. is also required," Senator Wong said.
"This is including backbenchers, requesting approval before overseas study trips, sponsored travel and private holidays.... I'm wondering if you can cast any light on that."
Senator Abetz responded: "Yes I can confirm that's the case."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-19/pm-vetting-all-travel-by-coalitions-politicians-abetz-says/5100880
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The Coalition's Big Lie
By David Hetherington
The Coalition's characterisation of Labor's economic management as "reckless" and "wasteful" is a big lie that is going to be hard to revise, writes David Hetherington.
One day, they'll write textbook case studies about it. Political genius, they'll say - a master class in strategy, messaging and discipline. It worked a treat and delivered government to the Coalition.
I write, of course, of the Big Lie - the myth created and propagated by the Coalition that the Australian economy is in the mire as a result of what Joe Hockey calls "Labor's economic and fiscal mismanagement".
The Big Lie was a cornerstone of the Coalition's political strategy over the last three years.
At every turn, Coalition MPs railed against Labor's "reckless", "scandalous" and "wasteful" handling of the economy
The choristers within News Corp Australia played their part to perfection, with a daily drumbeat of opinion pieces echoing profound concern.
That the Big Lie ran counter to all economic fact mattered not a bit. Its communication was so successful that many in the electorate came to believe it.
However, the sting may be in the tail. For the government, the challenge of the Big Lie is dealing with its legacy.
Having won government, the Coalition finds the economy is - surprise - in the same good shape it was before. Low unemployment, low inflation, steady growth, a triple-A rating.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-18/hetherington-the-coalitions-big-lie/5098544
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http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/indonesian-ambassador-to-australia-nadjib-riphat-kesoema-called-home-to-jakarta-as-spying-scandal-deepens/story-e6frg6n6-1226762883146
:facepalm
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The worst PM in my memory.
An arrogant dick who clearly has NFI.
Even piggy Downer isn't happy.
Abbott's defiant stand threatens ties: Jakarta
Date November 20, 2013
Tony Abbott's parliamentary response to phone-tapping revelations has not satisfied the Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, his spokesman said last night, adding that they were waiting an official response from the Australian Prime Minister.
The comments from the most senior levels of the Indonesian administration indicate Mr Abbott has not spoken to Dr Yudhoyono since the latest crisis began on Monday.
Dr Yudhoyono's foreign affairs adviser Teuku Faizasyah said that when Mr Abbott addressed the Australian parliament he was "addressing the domestic audience".
"Well, we still need an official explanation … a formal response," he said.
Advertisement "It's not advisable to maintain the status quo of not confirming or denying these tapping incidents in the past. So we are waiting. At stake is the strategic relationship.''
Asked what kinds of co-operation was at stake, Mr Faiza said: "Many." That could include terrorism and people-smuggling.
Foreign minister Marty Natalegawa amplified the comments, saying: "We need Australia's explanation, and it is Australia who should solve the problem. We'll continue to downgrade our relationship with them and it's up to them where the process ends. Now it's not business as usual."
A defiant Mr Abbott strengthened his stance, saying that Australia gathered information "to advance its national interests".
In a statement before question time, Mr Abbott refused to apologise to Dr Yudhoyono for attempted phone intercepts in 2009,
offering only "regret [for] any embarrassment that recent media reports have caused him".
His comments came after the Indonesian President had taken to Twitter to express his personal affront at revelations that his phone and those of his wife, Ibu Ani Yudhoyono, and eight in their close circle were subject to surveillance by Australia's Defence Signals Directorate.
Dr Yudhoyono tweeted that recalling the Indonesian ambassador, Nadjib Riphat Kesoema, was a "firm diplomatic response". But he also demanded an "official response" from Australia.
"I also regret the statement of Australian Prime Minister that belittled this tapping matter on Indonesia, without any remorse."
But just hours after the tweets, Mr Abbott said in Parliament that ''Australia should not be expected to apologise for the steps we take to protect our country now or in the past'' or expected to "detail what we do to protect our country''. "All our resources including information" were used to "help our friends and allies, not to harm them", Mr Abbott said.
But Daniel Sparringa, a close adviser to Dr Yudhoyono, told Fairfax Media after Mr Abbott's speech: "This wound can be healed only if the Australian government would display good intentions to end the issues and commit to avoid the same recurrent things happening.
"The escalation into a higher level of tension will not benefit our future relations together."
Mr Abbott's office would not say whether he had telephoned or tried to telephone the Indonesian leader since the story broke on Monday.
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten called for a more conciliatory approach, suggesting that the Prime Minister might copy US President Barack Obama, after similar allegations regarding American hacking of the phone of German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Mr Obama had assured her the US was not and would not monitor her communications. It is understood that Mr Abbott was livid at the opposition for presenting a divergent position.
The rare division between the two sides of politics on a matter of national security has created the bizarre situation of a new Coalition government defending the behaviour of a former Labor government, while Labor appeared to advocate some kind of apology.
In the Indonesian Parliament, meanwhile, Dr Yudhoyono's response was being seen as too weak.
A senior member of the Parliament's foreign affairs committee, Tantowi Yahya, said that if Australia did not apologise, "I think it shows how unfriendly they are".
"Australia keeps saying Indonesia is its strategic partner … well, we think it's just lip service. So what we need right now is actually a strong stance shown by our highest leadership, which unfortunately does not exist."
With Canberra-Jakarta relations deteriorating, Mr Abbott had been under pressure from a variety of foreign policy experts to temper his initial reaction to the revelations of Australian spying.
Former Coalition foreign minister Alexander Downer said he feared the insult to the Indonesian President would have significant ramifications for Australia.
Former Labor foreign minister Bob Carr went further, calling the diplomatic crisis ''catastrophic'' and calling on the government to apologise.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-defiant-stand-threatens-ties-jakarta-20131119-2xtjy.html#ixzz2l6pMmJ9I
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:lol :lol :lol at all those who think the Indonesians give a stuff about us spying or that they are due some half-arsed apology to placate them. :lol :lol :lol
Indonesia 'bugged' Australia
By Brendan Nicholson
National Security Correspondent
Canberra
November 15, 2004
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In an extraordinary admission Indonesia says it bugged Australia's embassy in Jakarta during the East Timor crisis and has tried to recruit Australians as spies.
Retiring Indonesian intelligence chief General Abdullah Mahmud Hendropriyono has claimed his agency tapped Australian civil and military communications and politicians' phone calls.
His agency's attempt to recruit Australians to spy for Indonesia had been unsuccessful, he said.
But former intelligence service officer David Reed repeated a claim that Australians were working for the Indonesians.
"They would have been pulling plum product out of Canberra," he told Channel Nine's Sunday program.
"This goes into the heart of our intelligence system, and I mean, including, and I specifically add this, the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS)."
The Indonesian claims are unusual in that while everyone knows Indonesia and Australia spy on each other, they rarely admit that they do it.
Leaks during the East Timor operation in 1999 revealed that Australia was comprehensively eavesdropping on Indonesian military communications.
General Hendropriyono, who headed the Badan Intelijen Negara under president Megawati Soekarnoputri's government, said it was well known that governments tapped each other's communications and Indonesia had much evidence its embassies abroad were bugged.
"Here, also, we did the same thing. We want to know what is really discussed about us," he told Sunday .
"We can say this is a public secret. You know, secret but the whole public knows. This is quite common intelligence activity."
General Hendropriyono said he presumed Australia did the same thing to Indonesia. "She is silly if she doesn't do that, you know."
Asked if Indonesian intelligence had been able to recruit anyone in Australia to work for it, he said: "Almost, but not yet."
He said the spying had ended because Indonesia and Jakarta now faced a common enemy in global terrorism.
Mr Reed, a former officer in the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) which gathers intelligence overseas, repeated his claim that Australians were working for the Indonesians.
Mr Reed said he would only tell what he knew to a royal commission on the intelligence agencies if one were set up. Defence specialist Alan Behm said that if Mr Reed had such evidence he should pass it on to the police or ASIO.
Mr Behm, who was head of the international policy division of the Australian Defence Force during the Timor crisis, said he was not surprised by the claims though there seemed to be "a bit of braggadocio" about them.
He said Indonesia would certainly have wanted to find out, for example, what forces Australia was sending to East Timor.
Mr Behm said Australia was also watching Indonesia.
Australia had a big military staff in Jakarta and part of its job was to keep an eye on the senior Indonesian military leadership.
"We kept a very good eye on them," he said.
"In the same way that we work everybody else, they worked us. They sought to talk to us about all sorts of things. They'd talk to everybody.
"To believe that because they had a fairly active information or intelligence gathering program that they had penetrated in some way the Australian Government is a pretty long hop, skip and jump."
Indonesian ambassador Imron Cotan said he could not comment and referred The Age to General Hendropriyono.
Prime Minister John Howard said later he could neither confirm nor deny claims about national security.
He said Australian democracy was safe, its policy on East Timor was 100 per cent correct and its relations with Indonesia remained very strong.
A spokesman for Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said it was not the first time that foreign intelligence agencies had made such claims.
"But we just don't comment on intelligence matters."
Opposition Foreign Affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd said he would seek a briefing from the Government on the general's claims.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/11/14/1100384426722.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/11/14/1100384426722.html)
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You miss the point.
All Tony has to do is play the game and apologise to the Indonesians.
But no the stubborn arrogant prick won't.
The worst Prime Minister in my memory.
cheers
'65
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No, you miss the point. He has nothing to apologise for.
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If Indonesia tapped the phone oftonys daughter or wife what would happen?
No doubt the right would accept with open arms cause we love our Asian brothers. And everyone spys of everyone anyways
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No, you miss the point. He has nothing to apologise for.
Of course he hasn't that's why he needs to play the game and apologise anyway.
:cheers
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Not sure why the bluster from both sides
Are people that naive to think that Australia is the only country in the world doing this
All countries do it, been doing it for years, move on there is nothing to see here.
If folks want to get angry then get angry and these pathetic "whistleblower" types like Julian Assange, who think they are doing some sort of national service by releasing this sort of stuff. Again a selfish individual has possibly put Australians at risk for what exactly? There Andy Warhol moment in the sun >:(
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Assange and Snowdon >. You
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I assume those that leaked the guantanamo bay torture pictures are also scum in the highest order wp?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xEw_wnCvE_0/SDc8Y1LIvnI/AAAAAAAAEQ8/GIq7RjORaoE/s400/iraqabuse.jpg)
and these pathetic "whistleblower" types :whistle
Wouldn't it be better for humanity if this went unreported :yep :nopity
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Assange and Snowdon >. You
Are you directing that at me?
Those 2 are cowards are the highest order
There intent intent was to embarass governments not to help those in need, in trouble.
I assume those that leaked the guantanamo bay torture pictures are also scum in the highest order wp?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xEw_wnCvE_0/SDc8Y1LIvnI/AAAAAAAAEQ8/GIq7RjORaoE/s400/iraqabuse.jpg)
Totally different I would have thought. Using the pic you posted as example that clearly shows mis-treatment, cruelty against another person. Unacceptable should be exposed.
Snowdon leaking info that Aust has been spying on Indonesia does what to help the world exactly? Nothing! Except perhaps get him a lesser sentence.
The only thing it's good for is firing up extremists who don't need much encouragement to go on another rampage.
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I thought the adults were in charge.
Mark Textor stokes fire with Indonesian Foreign Minister 'porn star' gibe; sack him, says Malcolm Fraser
Date November 21, 2013
Mark Kenny
One of the Liberal Party's most senior advisers has issued a series of embarrassing and racially loaded remarks about top Indonesian government figures just as Tony Abbott was trying to limit the damage from the phone tapping affair.
The comments threatened to inflame sensitive relations between Canberra and Jakarta at a time when Mr Abbott was moving to reassure his counterpart, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, that Australia regrets any offence caused by the reports of phone tapping.
With the row between the two countries escalating, Liberal Party pollster and prominent conservative barracker Mark Textor published a succession of abusive comments, with one likening Indonesian Foreign Affairs Minister Marty Natalegawa to a ''1970s porn star''.
In the comment on Twitter, since deleted by the self-styled digital shock-jock, Mr Textor attacked the Indonesian Foreign Minister: ''Apology demanded from Australia by a bloke who looks like a 1970s Pilipino [sic] porn star and has ethics to match,'' he tweeted, along with the hashtag ''#Fairfax demands appeasement''.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/mark-textor-stokes-fire-with-indonesian-foreign-minister-porn-star-gibe-sack-him-says-malcolm-fraser-20131120-2xvy5.html#ixzz2lD4RwYNN
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Indonesia halts military ties - HOTheadlines - Australian News ...
www.hotheadlines.com.au/redirect.php?...
37 mins ago - INDONESIA'S relationship with Australia in crisis with the country suspending military cooperation and anti-people
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we should just bomb those jungols and turn indonesia into a resort/labour camp so i can get even cheaper nikes with my bintang
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Yeah keep peeing off the 400 million potential suicide bombers
What could go wrong
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250 million
and most of them would turn on their own government and welcome their new round eye rulers with promises of tailored suits, braided hair, and pussy
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U reckon
They bomb Bali due to the love of germanic AFL lovers? Long live our Anglo overlords
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Assange and Snowdon >. You
Are you directing that at me?
Those 2 are cowards are the highest order
There intent intent was to embarass governments not to help those in need, in trouble.
I assume those that leaked the guantanamo bay torture pictures are also scum in the highest order wp?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xEw_wnCvE_0/SDc8Y1LIvnI/AAAAAAAAEQ8/GIq7RjORaoE/s400/iraqabuse.jpg)
Totally different I would have thought. Using the pic you posted as example that clearly shows mis-treatment, cruelty against another person. Unacceptable should be exposed.
Snowdon leaking info that Aust has been spying on Indonesia does what to help the world exactly? Nothing! Except perhaps get him a lesser sentence.
The only thing it's good for is firing up extremists who don't need much encouragement to go on another rampage.
The coward of the highest order is nominated for Nobel peace price along side the like of t Malala Yousafzai
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Aussie flag burned as spying anger grows | Herald Sun
www.heraldsun.com.au/...jakarta.../story-...
14 mins ago - The Australian embassy in Jakarta ... The large group of protesters in Yogyakarta, a hotbed of student activism, had ... Dr Yudhoyono said he would send a letter to Mr Abbott, demanding an official ... Rebel MP to fight deception charges.
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Yeah keep peeing off the 400 million potential suicide bombers
What could go wrong
They would have to get over here first
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Yeah keep peeing off the 400 million potential suicide bombers
What could go wrong
They would have to get over here first
:lol
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Heard 1965 used to be a Liberal voter but switched allegiences after he got taken to a Labor party meeting and found their chairs more comfortable.
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Lmfao
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Heard 1965 used to be a Liberal voter but switched allegiences after he got taken to a Labor party meeting and found their chairs more comfortable.
:lol (I think it was supposed to be funny anyway)
Nah, can't see it.
Nice try but say something remotely funny, sarcastic or insulting next time
This is just plain dumb.
:cheers
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Abbott is a fool and the worst PM I can remember.
His performance in regard to Indonesia has been nothing short of grossly incompetent.
So far, Abbott’s best is not good enough
By ABC's Barrie Cassidy
Posted Fri 22 Nov 2013, 9:39am AEDT
A Labor government created the problem with Indonesia, but only the Prime Minister can fix it. So far, he has done nothing other than place fresh impediments in the path of a solution, writes Barrie Cassidy.
Tony Abbott insists he'll have a foreign policy with a Jakarta focus and not a Geneva focus. To this point, Geneva will be well pleased.
To be fair, the Prime Minister was placed in a no-win situation by the previous government on the Indonesian spy scandal.
But that is no excuse for making a bad situation even worse. There were so many options to consider short of an apology, and he took none of them.
In the competitive world of domestic politics, it would have galled Abbott that the Leader of the Opposition, Bill Shorten, should point to the Barack Obama precedent; that is, concede, apologise, call for a review and promise it would never happen again.
Galling because the intelligence agencies breached the boundaries under Labor's watch; galling because the Prime Minister was protecting the secrecy doctrine behind international spying; and galling because nobody likes to be criticised when they are doing their best to clean up after somebody else.
But all that aside, so far, Abbott’s best is not good enough.
If the leader of the world's superpower can swallow his pride and apologise to Germany's Angela Merkel, then why can't the leader of a middle ranking power apologise to Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, or at least behave a little more conciliatory?
Abbott is right to argue that Australia should not apologise for "reasonable intelligence gathering". But tapping the phones of the Indonesian President and his wife goes beyond reasonable.
And to try to justify the tapping with talk of "protecting our country", implies that in some way, Australia regards Indonesia, the target of the taps, as a threat.
Abbott is handling the issue as he would a political fight with his opponents, when it is a diplomatic dispute that needs fixing.
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You must have alziemers then if you can't remember back a year ago
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You must have alziemers then if you can't remember back a year ago
Rudd and Gillard were both better than this fool.
It was the backstabbing crap that went on that was their undoing.
:cheers
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It was the backstabbing crap that went on that was their undoing.
:cheers
:lol
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It was the backstabbing crap that went on that was their undoing.
:cheers
:lol
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A Labor government created the problem with Indonesia, but only the Prime Minister can fix it. So far, he has done nothing other than place fresh impediments in the path of a solution, writes Barrie Cassidy.
How is it Labor's fault that Australian (as well other countries') secrets relating to surveillance were leaked to the press by an American computer specialist on some self-proclaimed anti-government secrecy crusade who once worked for America's National Security Agency?
In any case, the anger from the Indonesia president isn't now about the actual spying (every country spies) but about Australia's (in other words Abbott's) response to it and that the response was done in parliament which the Indonesians saw as Australia/Abbott being dismissive of the whole incident. I can just imagine the outrage here if the situation was reversed and Indonesia just said to us "hey chill out, everybody spies"; especially the outrage from certain conservative media outlets/commentators.
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A Labor government created the problem with Indonesia, but only the Prime Minister can fix it. So far, he has done nothing other than place fresh impediments in the path of a solution, writes Barrie Cassidy.
How is it Labor's fault that Australian (as well other countries') secrets relating to surveillance were leaked to the press by an American computer specialist on some self-proclaimed anti-government secrecy crusade who once worked for America's National Security Agency?
In any case, the anger from the Indonesia president isn't now about the actual spying (every country spies) but about Australia's (in other words Abbott's) response to it and that the response was done in parliament which the Indonesians saw as Australia/Abbott being dismissive of the whole incident. I can just imagine the outrage here if the situation was reversed and Indonesia just said to us "hey chill out, everybody spies"; especially the outrage from certain conservative media outlets/commentators.
Unlike you to be so misleading MT.
That quote was from Barry Cassidy not me.
:cheers
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One term Tony is in trouble.
:lol
Labor storms ahead
Date November 25, 2013
Mark Kenny
Bill Shorten has made the strongest debut of any opposition leader since Kevin Rudd in 2006-07, propelling Labor into the lead over a government weighed down by its secretive asylum-seeker response and an unconvincing commitment to action on global warming.
The first Fairfax Nielsen poll since the September 7 election has charted a rapid recovery for the ALP, with the opposition shooting to a 52-48 per cent lead over the government on the preferences of respondents - the quickest poll lead achieved by any federal opposition after losing an election.
It is also the first time Labor has led on the two-party-preferred vote in more than three years.
The result will be seen as a wake-up call to the Abbott government as it struggles to maintain public confidence in its tough stop-the-boats policy while refusing to reveal the most basic details on the grounds of operational security.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-storms-ahead-20131124-2y43r.html#ixzz2laCTFEEq
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Lmao The backstabbing king
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Lmao The backstabbing king
Our next PM unless the Libs turn on Tony and put Malcolm Turnbull in.
:lol
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i feel sorry for you 64, you seem to have lost your way. Shorten PM gee just when i thought we couldnt get worse than Gillard.
Your obsessed with your left wing nonsense and your looking like a fool on a daily basis now on this subject
Abbott this abbott that, give it up already. One would think you want to bend him over with your dribble.
On Indonesia and spying, quite frankly WGAF.
Hope Abbott kicks on for another 10 years so i can shove it up your greeny Adam Bandt date and if he doesn't so be it, MT would be a fitting PM and would launch off the Queen which i think is a good thing.
Dont take offence but people like you are the reason why i hate the greens so much. Always complaining about trees, conspiracy theories on the world ending or some rubbish like that.
give it up bloke, chill out and go smoke a joint of shawitzi
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i feel sorry for you 64, you seem to have lost your way. Shorten PM gee just when i thought we couldnt get worse than Gillard.
Your obsessed with your left wing nonsense and your looking like a fool on a daily basis now on this subject
Abbott this abbott that, give it up already. One would think you want to bend him over with your dribble.
On Indonesia and spying, quite frankly WGAF.
Hope Abbott kicks on for another 10 years so i can shove it up your greeny Adam Bandt date and if he doesn't so be it, MT would be a fitting PM and would launch off the Queen which i think is a good thing.
Dont take offence but people like you are the reason why i hate the greens so much. Always complaining about trees, conspiracy theories on the world ending or some rubbish like that.
give it up bloke, chill out and go smoke a joint of shawitzi
Now that is what I call a decent serve.
Did you see the nonsense insult I got the other day.
Something about comfortable chairs.
:thumbsup
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dont take offence its just i find all greeny's the same type of people.
they all whinge and moan and complain the world is ending if we dont do this and dont do that.
I dont know a lot about politics but what i do now is your thoughts on Abbott are wrong. He is a man of high integrity and honour
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I dont know a lot about politics but what i do now is your thoughts on Abbott are wrong. He is a man of high integrity and honour
Happy to accept that but that doesn't stop him from being the most incompetent PM I have known.
One-term Tony has NFI.
:cheers
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Lying pack of bastards. Julia broke one promise and had crap for three years about it.
Abbott's boulevard of broken promises
November 28, 2013 - 11:36AM
Gareth Hutchens
They promised before the election to be a “no-surprises” government.
But since winning power the Abbott government has lengthened its list of broken promises and policy surprises by more than one a week.
Just two days ago, the Federal Minister for Education, Christopher Pyne, performed a brazen policy back-flip on school funding, saying he would no longer accept Labor's funding and overall model despite Tony Abbott making this pre-election promise: ''We will honour the agreements that Labor has entered into. We will match the offers that Labor has made. We will make sure that no school is worse off.''
A few weeks ago, the Coalition's pre-election commitment to ''turn back the boats'' was broken after Immigration Minister Scott Morrison ended a tense standoff with Jakarta - which was refusing to accept a boatload of asylum seekers - by ordering the boat to be taken to Christmas Island.
Last month, Treasurer Joe Hockey said he wanted to increase the debt ceiling from $300 billion to $500 billion. That was after the Coalition attacked the then Labor government's decision in May last year to raise Australia's debt ceiling from $250 billion to $300 billion, which Tony Abbott described at the time as ''really extraordinary''.
''What Joe Hockey is now doing on both the commission of cuts and on the issue of the debt ceiling is a million miles away from the expectations he gave the Australian people before the election,'' Labor finance spokesman Tony Burke said about the Coalition's recent decision to raise the debt limit.
Mr Abbott also promised before the election to have a government ''which is transparent and open'', saying ''the last thing we want to do is to hide anything from the Australian people''.
Since then, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has implemented a highly restrictive regime regarding information on border protection.
The Coalition has also surprised voters by abolishing the portfolio of minister for science, sending no minister to climate talks in Poland, and deciding to only have one female cabinet minister.
These things appear to fly in the face of Mr Abbott's campaign launch pledge:
''We will be a no-surprises, no-excuses government, because you are sick of nasty surprises and lame excuses from people that you have trusted with your future.''
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/abbotts-boulevard-of-broken-promises-20131127-2yac4.html#ixzz2ltwm7itD
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A Labor government created the problem with Indonesia, but only the Prime Minister can fix it. So far, he has done nothing other than place fresh impediments in the path of a solution, writes Barrie Cassidy.
How is it Labor's fault that Australian (as well other countries') secrets relating to surveillance were leaked to the press by an American computer specialist on some self-proclaimed anti-government secrecy crusade who once worked for America's National Security Agency?
In any case, the anger from the Indonesia president isn't now about the actual spying (every country spies) but about Australia's (in other words Abbott's) response to it and that the response was done in parliament which the Indonesians saw as Australia/Abbott being dismissive of the whole incident. I can just imagine the outrage here if the situation was reversed and Indonesia just said to us "hey chill out, everybody spies"; especially the outrage from certain conservative media outlets/commentators.
Unlike you to be so misleading MT.
That quote was from Barry Cassidy not me.
:cheers
I just quoted the line from the article, '65. I wasn't meaning you said it :cheers.
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MT would be a fitting PM and would launch off the Queen which i think is a good thing.
:eyebrow
He [Abbott] is a man of high integrity and honour
I would say Abbott's integrity and honour are Gonski :yep.
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Even Andrew Bolt is amazed that Abbott has gone back on his word.
His comment was something like "Why not just spend an extra Billion dollars to keep your promise on education?"
:lol
This will come back to haunt Abbott and the Libs.
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Despite Mr Abbott becoming opposition leader on December 1, 2009, all his speeches and media statements before July 2010 have disappeared. And at least two recent transcripts have also been expunged from the public record.
They include an interview on Sky with Chris Kenny in which Mr Abbott vowed to lift foreign aid - a position he later reversed - and a speech to the conservative Institute of Public Affairs.
In March, Mr Abbott was quizzed about whether he would heed the advice of former finance minister Nick Minchin, who said the Coalition could save billions of dollars by freezing the growth of foreign aid.
Mr Abbott said: ''Our policy and that of the [then-Labor] government is to lift foreign aid to 0.5 per cent of gross national [income] … It does remain our commitment … we are a generous people, we don't want to be niggardly in respect of our poorer neighbours.''
Five months later, the Coalition said it would cut foreign aid growth over the forward estimates, saving $4.5 billion.
In April he gave a speech to the Institute of Public Affairs decrying the ''great Australian silence'' about its Western heritage.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-controversial-speeches-wiped-20131130-2yiez.html#ixzz2p28kFssF
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.
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Snake Oil Tony
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Honestly I don't know why so many people hold politicians to account on what they say..Both left and right of our political spectrum twist the truth to suit themselves.I have reached the stage where I don't believe any of them.
The only time I listen to what they say is when they leave politics.
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Doublethink from Tony.
Scary thing is I think he might believe what he is saying.
From the Age today:
''We are going to keep the promise that we made – not the promise that some people thought that we made, or the promise that some people might have liked us to make. We are going to keep the promise that we actually made,'' he said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonski-fallout-tony-abbott-denies-broken-schools-promise-20131201-2yjaf.html#ixzz2mD3VyAJO
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Honestly I don't know why so many people hold politicians to account on what they say..Both left and right of our political spectrum twist the truth to suit themselves.I have reached the stage where I don't believe any of them.
The only time I listen to what they say is when they leave politics.
Politicians lie often. No doubt most people know this.
The scary part (IMO) is when it becomes blatantly Orwellian.
Doublethink from Tony.
Scary thing is I think he might believe what he is saying.
From the Age today:
''We are going to keep the promise that we made – not the promise that some people thought that we made, or the promise that some people might have liked us to make. We are going to keep the promise that we actually made,'' he said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonski-fallout-tony-abbott-denies-broken-schools-promise-20131201-2yjaf.html#ixzz2mD3VyAJO
“If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.”
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The worst government I have ever seen.
And they are only 10 weeks in.
This was all about the pressure the newspapers put on them
Christopher Pyne should never told the press they were stupid.
Arrogant little prick has NFI
Gonski reversal: Tony Abbott backflips, puts $1.2b into schools
Date December 2, 2013
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter
The Abbott government has reversed its position again on the Gonski education funding, saying it will honour all existing deals for the next four years, and add an extra $1.2 billion into the system.
In a joint press conference held at Parliament House in Canberra, Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Education Minister Christopher Pyne sought to put an end to the damaging headlines about the government's ‘‘broken promise’’ on education.
Last week Mr Pyne said the government would honour Labor’s agreement for only one year. But in Monday's press conference Mr Abbott said that over the past 11 days Mr Pyne had secured ‘‘in principle’’ agreements with the states and territory that had not signed up to Labor’s funding reforms.
‘‘Following negotiations with Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory the government has secured a national agreement on school funding,’’ Mr Abbott said. As a result, the Abbott government will inject a further $1.2 billion into schools over the next four years.
This was money that Labor had earmarked for three jurisdictions, but had to withdraw because they did not sign deals with the previous education minister Bill Shorten.
Mr Abbott said the Coalition had identified $1.2 billion worth of cuts to cover the new spending. The cuts would be revealed when the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook was released later in December, the Prime Minister said.
Monday’s announcement was the Coalition’s third backflip on education policy within the past six months.
Throughout its term in opposition, the Coalition, and in particular then shadow education minister Christopher Pyne, had referred to the Gonski scheme as a “con-ski”.
But during the election campaign Mr Abbott and Mr Pyne shocked many when they announced they would match Labor’s school funding program dollar for dollar for the next four years and that no school would be worse off under an Abbott government.
Mr Abbott used the campaign announcement to nullify education as a policy weakness for the Coalition, allowing him to say he was on a “unity ticket” with Labor on education.
Then, last week, Mr Pyne described Labor’s education funding deals as a “shambles” and said the Abbott government would match the deals for only one year. But the Education Minister would not repeat his pre-election promise that no school would be worse off under the Coalition.
After a week of damaging headlines, in which even the NSW Coalition government attacked the Abbott government for its broken promises on education, Mr Abbott and Mr Pyne reversed their position once again.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonski-reversal-tony-abbott-backflips-puts-12b-into-schools-20131202-2yl79.html#ixzz2mLQLv2bO
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Honestly I don't know why so many people hold politicians to account on what they say..Both left and right of our political spectrum twist the truth to suit themselves.I have reached the stage where I don't believe any of them.
The only time I listen to what they say is when they leave politics.
Suppose some of us havent given up, and think holding politicians to account can make change.
I guess its the principle.
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bronwyn bishop :chuck
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More evidence of who is really in charge of the Libs. (and this is from a Liberal senator)
Government senator takes swipe at 'obsessive control phobia' of PM's office
December 4, 2013 - 1:00PM
Jonathan Swan
Tony Abbott and his chief of staff Peta Credlin are enforcing a culture of “obsessive centralised control phobia” and are out of touch with voters, according to Liberal National Party senator Ian Macdonald, who has delivered a scathing attack on the Prime Minister’s office.
Senator Macdonald is furious that he has not been consulted about the government’s terms of reference for its Northern Australia policies, saying he “discovered” them by accident and was treated dismissively by the Prime Minister’s office.
“What you see in the terms of reference submitted by the government may be the Prime Minister’s office’s version of what it was all about,” Senator Macdonald said.
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“But I have to advise them and my constituents that I will not have unelected advisers in the Prime Minister’s office telling elected politicians who are actually in touch with their constituencies what should and shouldn’t be done.”
Before the election and for many years, Senator Macdonald was the shadow parliamentary secretary for northern and remote Australia. He was responsible for the Coalition's northern Australia election policy, and launched it alongside Mr Abbott.
He was however, dropped from the Coalition’s frontbench in September, calling it the worst day in his life.
The Queensland senator said he was “particularly disappointed” at the Prime Minister’s office’s dismissive responses to his “many enquiries” about the government’s terms of reference.
Mr Abbott’s staff seemed “to have an almost obsessive centralised control phobia, over this and every other aspect of Parliament,” Senator Macdonald said.
The senator said he was not elected to this Parliament by the Prime Minister’s office “but by the Liberal National Party … and by the voters of Queensland, particularly those in the north”.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-senator-takes-swipe-at-obsessive-control-phobia-of-pms-office-20131204-2yq39.html#ixzz2mTCrxzJo
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I have been served by experts but this is unbelievable.
:lol
Christopher Pyne, the joker in pack, could bring down Tony Abbott
Date December 4, 2013
Christopher Pyne is right to feel disappointed. Yes, he was the second-youngest MP ever, and yes, he is undoubtedly the prissiest, most precious and precocious petal among a bunch of preening peacocks, and yet there's one thing that has continually eluded Pyne. Respect. It's difficult to see how any of his antics over the past week will change that.
Before writing a profile, one might usually make at least some cursory attempt to speak to the subject. In this way one hopes to gain further illumination, perhaps even inside knowledge to explain the otherwise incomprehensible. In the case of Pyne, however, this is utterly unnecessary.
That's because his public persona has expanded to consume any remaining, lingering vestiges of his own personality. The discovery of anything contradictory (that, for example, he's actually intelligent and interesting) would be completely disregarded. After all, you've seen him in action! His image is now the reality.
The last time I spoke to Pyne (at a Thai embassy function), he was quite agreeable. But that was while he was in opposition - power reveals new dimensions even in the shallowest personality. Thus, although Pyne's previously held senior positions, from parliamentary secretary, assistant minister and, eventually, (and most implausibly given his perpetually juvenile approach to life) the minister for ageing, Pyne has never actually been allowed to do anything.
Perhaps there's a reason. He's apparently been too busy making points-of-order to get across the detail of the education portfolio he's been shadowing since 2008. Or maybe Pyne's been around the green carpets and wood panelling of Parliament for a bit too long. Perhaps he needs to get out more.
In just 100 days he's managed to unify the sector against him. Even his own state Liberal colleagues have wandered in from the outfield to publicly and humiliatingly sledge him.
In a move of stunning incompetence, Pyne trashed a carefully wrought student-funding model without any idea of what's going to replace it. It was a slapstick performance so incompetently carried out it would have drawn laughs in a music hall.
Pyne has successfully managed to portray himself as the most incompetent joker in the pack. And don't mistake the degree of difficulty here. It takes a good deal of talent to make a state education minister appear statesmanlike. Nevertheless, at their combined press conference the other day, Pyne managed all this and more. He stood off to one side while every minister in the country took turns to ruthlessly demolish his ''reform'', which simply turns the clocks back to a world of privilege and favouritism.
Then he boorishly charged in to assert - despite all the evidence to the contrary - that he's right and they're wrong. And why? What better plan is he proposing to introduce? Well, he can't tell us that now, we'll just have to wait and see. Trust me, says Pyne, claiming he can still trump the experts and come up with something better. You can almost picture him standing in front of a dartboard with some arrows, confident that providence will guide him to the correct answer. Now it turns out we had the right answer all along and we're presented with all the startling idiocy of yet another volte-face.
Pyne appears incapable of perceiving how ridiculous his assertions of superior process actually are. When even the thinnest twig hits a calm pool, it sets off ripples. That's Pyne. The perception that he's shallow, superficial and trivial has now become political reality. Everything that's occurred since he became minister simply reinforces this perception. It actually doesn't matter if he's very, very clever; many people already suspect he's not.
What's more surprising - and worrying from the perspective of Tony Abbott - is that two polls last week put beyond doubt the reality that the government's going backwards. It's the reverse of what happened after the election of John Howard and Kevin Rudd. The feel-good factor's evaporating. Any advice Abbott's receiving is obviously hopeless. The team and tactics that got him to the Lodge won't be able to keep him there.
Some 30 years ago, in NSW, the Liberal's Nick Greiner swept out a wildly unpopular Labor government. His education minister, Terry Metherell, rammed wildly unpopular reforms through Parliament, despite a huge backlash from parents. The Liberals lost their majority at the next election. Pyne seems determined to take a similar shortcut to electoral oblivion.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/christopher-pyne-the-joker-in-pack-could-bring-down-tony-abbott-20131203-2yof5.html#ixzz2mVDs60m2
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More evidence re Peta Credlin running the circus this government has become.
PM's travel clamp sparks backlash
Date December 7, 2013
Philip Dorling
Cabinet ministers and top public servants will have to personally sign off on airfares and hotel bookings for tens of thousands of federal bureaucrats as Tony Abbott cracks down on travel costs.
Coalition ministers, staffers and senior public service executives have privately condemned the Prime Minister's demand as "unworkable", "ridiculous" and showing "complete ignorance of the practical realities of government".
On November 18 Mr Abbott issued a directive to clamp down on official domestic and overseas travel by public servants.
He ordered cabinet ministers to take personal responsibility for approving official travel by departmental officers - as individuals or in delegations - that would cost more than $20,000.
He also directed that he must be consulted about any proposed travel by individuals or delegations where costs exceeded $50,000.
Mr Abbott also decreed that all travel by public servants costing less than $20,000 must be approved by departmental secretaries or agency heads and that responsibility "should not be delegated below that level".
The Prime Minister has already restricted travel by Coalition MPs, who are required to seek approval from his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, at least four weeks before overseas study trips or sponsored travel. It is long-established practice that ministers must seek prime ministerial approval before travelling overseas.
Mr Abbott's directive on public service travel has already generated a backlash from ministers and bureaucrats.
Senior government sources said the requirement that department and agency heads personally approve all travel costing up to $20,000 was "simply unworkable''.
"Does the Prime Minister really expect departmental secretaries to spend half their days signing off routine travel requisitions, even Cabcharge vouchers?'' one senior government adviser said. ''Nor do ministers want to decide the composition of overseas delegations. It's nonsensical."
The Australian government spends about $380 million a year on domestic travel and another $170 million on international travel. Tens of thousands of public servants travel domestically or internationally each year.
Most domestic travel is undertaken by the Defence Department and the Department of Human Services, which includes two of the nation's largest agencies, Medicare and Centrelink.
The Defence and the Foreign Affairs and Trade portfolios account for the bulk of overseas travel.
A Foreign Affairs and Trade executive highlighted potential complications for Australian diplomats overseas who travel frequently, often at short notice.
Fairfax Media understands Mr Abbott's directive was issued without specific consultation with cabinet ministers or departmental and agency heads.
A spokesman for Mr Abbott said the Prime Minister had "made it very clear from the outset that all travel was to be undertaken at a fair cost''.
Coalition ministerial staff described the instructions as part of "the controlling tendencies'' of the Prime Minister's office.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pms-travel-clamp-sparks-backlash-20131206-2ywze.html#ixzz2miYbJiMC
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God help us.
And if you don't understand Economics a rough translation would be "Tony Abbott has always been a fool"
:lol
Tony Abbott wrote 20 years ago floating dollar didn't make sense
December 7, 2013
Gareth Hutchens
In 1994, a young Tony Abbott wrote a review of a book by an economist and a political scientist, Hugh Stretton and Lionel Orchard.
It was the year in which Abbott was first elected to the Australian House of Representatives.
It was also a decade since the float of the dollar.
The review was well written. It dipped into economic and political theory, and took a swing at the idea we are all rational self-interested economic agents.
But Abbott was not convinced the decision to switch to a floating exchange rate had been a wise one.
''The floating of the dollar remains an article of faith with the leadership of both main parties, notwithstanding its exceedingly dubious outcome for Australia,'' he wrote.
''Changing the price of the dollar moment by moment in response to each transaction makes no more sense than altering the price of cornflakes every time a buyer takes a packet off the supermarket shelves.''
The times were not broadly optimistic. Deputy governor of the Reserve Bank Ian Macfarlane gave a speech that year called ''Pessimism and Optimism about Australia's Future''. Prime minister Paul Keating's comment about the recession ''we had to have'' was still haunting the homes of the unemployed.
Abbott noted in his review that a 1990 edition of The Economist magazine had already proclaimed the experiment of floating exchange rates a failure.
But by the time that Economist edition was published Australia's dollar had already begun to settle around 75¢.
As it turns out, 75¢ became its long-term average, and that long-term average has served Australia well.
A few weeks ago, Reserve Bank governor Glenn Stevens observed that floating the exchange rate had pretty much done the job that it was supposed to do.
It has helped the central bank to contain inflation.
It has helped Australia's economy record more than 20 years of uninterrupted growth.
It is interesting to read what Abbott thought of the floating dollar when it was already 10 years old. Could it help to explain, even a little, why Abbott has opted for ''direct action'' to deal with the problem of carbon pollution, rather than a market mechanism?
The majority of economists believe the best way to deal with carbon pollution is to use a market mechanism of some kind.
But in July this year, Abbott described the idea of an emissions trading scheme as a ''so-called market in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one''.
One wonders what that comment will look like in 20 years.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/tony-abbott-wrote-20-years-ago-floating-dollar-didnt-make-sense-20131206-2ywpm.html#ixzz2mjZZE654
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More on Peta Credlin.
Accusations of meddling by Prime Minister Tony Abbott's chief of staff Peta Credlin
December 8, 2013
Heath Aston and Chris Johnson
Peta Credlin is upsetting Tony Abbott's troops, but is the criticism justified?
Scott Morrison has copped a tirade of criticism lately over his tough-man performance on asylum seekers. But it turns out the Immigration Minister has also been ticked-off from within the government's ranks.
Fairfax Media has established the minister, who has been running the Coalition's tightly controlled Operation Sovereign Borders briefings, was chided by Prime Minister Tony Abbott's chief of staff Peta Credlin as they left a Cabinet meeting last month.
In the exchange, Ms Credlin spoke about Mr Morrison's poor performance during a media conference. According to cabinet sources, Mr Morrison did not take the criticism well and expressed frustration that he was not allowed to say much. One source who witnessed the exchange said Ms Credlin shot back: ''We will tell you what you can say and what you can't say.'' (Mr Morrison's spokesman describes this as ''complete rubbish'').
Mr Morrison is among those bridling at Ms Credlin's tight control. Revelations about the exchange follow criticism from Coalition Senator Ian Macdonald of ''obsessive centralised control'' exercised by the PM's office.
Advertisement Other Coalition MPs have privately expressed similar concerns after Senator Macdonald's accusations that ''unelected advisers in the Prime Minister's office'' were meddling too much in the minutiae of day-to-day proceedings.
Fairfax Media has spoken to several disgruntled MPs. ''Credlin is fiercely loyal to Abbott and so he is loyal to her, but I think he will soon learn that his prime ministership is more valuable than to allow what is going on right now to continue for too much longer,'' one MP said. ''She is way too controlling, not just of the PM's diary and who has access to him, but of staffing appointments, their conduct and what MPs and even ministers can do or say.''
But the rumblings against Ms Credlin have left Mr Abbott unmoved. On Saturday he issued a staunch defence of his top staffer, saying ''relentless'' criticism was unfounded. Ms Credlin and his office were largely responsible for winning government, he said. ''Decisions made by my chief of staff and my office have my full backing and authority. Anyone who suggests otherwise is wrong.''
Finance Minister Mathias Cormann also defended Ms Credlin, saying every appointment he recommended had been approved by the staffing panel of which Ms Credlin is a member. Education Minister Christopher Pyne dismissed the criticism of Ms Credlin's style as ''sour grapes'', saying she ''gives more freedom to the cabinet and the ministry than most chief of staffs'' he had seen in his 20 years in politics.''
But it is her vetoing of ministerial staffing appointments that is causing the most anger in government circles. Ms Credlin has quashed or stalled the appointments of people who worked at senior levels in opposition or in high ranking positions during the Howard government.
''If Credlin doesn't like someone, they don't get the job even though they might be abundantly qualified and obviously the right person,'' one minister said.
On September 8, Ms Credlin was the only other person with the newly-elected prime minister during a briefing from senior departmental secretaries.
Business leaders too have their frustrations. ''We are not getting the access we should and what has really annoyed some is there have been times when people thought they were getting in to see Tony when in fact Credlin appears and says the meeting is with her,'' one said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/accusations-of-meddling-by-prime-minister-tony-abbotts-chief-of-staff-peta-credlin-20131207-2yyf1.html#ixzz2mogOTJSk
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General motors wants another 150 million dole money to not 'luck off
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Uruguay legalises the production and sale of marijuana
AM By North America correspondent Michael Vincent, wires
Updated 11 hours 25 minutes ago
A man with a joint holds the leaf of a marijuana plant.
PHOTO: Marijuana will be supplied by the Uruguayan Government under the new bill (
www.sxc.hu: Atroszko)
MAP: Uruguay
Uruguay has become the first country to legalise the production and sale of marijuana.
Under a ground-breaking new law, passed by the country's parliament on Tuesday, Uruguayans are permitted to grow the drug legally, or buy up to 40 grams per month from the government via pharmacies.
Private clubs for marijuana consumption will also be allowed, adding to citizens' existing rights to smoke it legally.
The law goes well beyond the marijuana legalization measures recently approved by the US states of Colorado and Washington, or the similarly liberal laws of the Netherlands and Spain.
Under Uruguay's proposed law, consumers over the age of 18 will be able to grow their own marijuana, though no more than six plants per person.
In every case, users must be registered with the government.
Key Points
Uruguay to become first country to legalise production and sale of marijuana
Marijuana is already legalised for individual use in Uruguay
Under new law, Uruguayans can grow the drug or buy up to 40g/month from the government
Private clubs for marijuana consumption will be allowed
Consumers over 18 can grow up to six plants
Proposed law goes beyond measures approved by US states, or Netherlands and Spain
Users must be registered with the government
The move is part of the government's push to be the nation's sole supplier of the drug - from seed to smoker.
"The war against drugs has failed," said Senator Roberto Conde as he presented the bill on behalf of the ruling leftist Broad Front, calling it an "unavoidable response" to that failure.
National campaigns have been running on television, as the South American country debated the issue for over a year.
Advertisements echo Senator Conde's sentiments, adding that drug use and violence have increased.
But not everyone supports the law, with widespread public scepticism and a September poll indicating that 61 per cent of Uruguayans disapprove.
National Party MP Veronica Alonso has been fighting the changes on the public stage.
"This doesn't solve the problem of drug trafficking because if you want to solve that problem then shortly we will be talking about legalising and regulating cocaine which is the most important market," she said.
However, Uruguay's president Jose Mujica wants to use market forces to undercut traffickers.
He says controlling the supply of marijuana and treating it like any other addiction will stop it becoming a gateway drug.
Drug users 'part of criminal cycle'
In a region where the war on drugs has claimed thousands of lives, the Uruguayan initiative has won the support of former Latin American presidents who served on the Global Commission on Drug Policy, but it is viewed with concern by neighbouring Argentina and Brazil.
The International Narcotics Control Board, which oversees the implementation of international treaties on drugs, has warned that it violates the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, adopted in 1961 by Uruguay and 185 other countries.
Dr Luis Gallo - who has been in medicine for 40 years - has been a key backer of the bill in the Senate.
"The consumer is currently part of a criminal cycle - be it organised crime or trafficking. That has had very grave social consequences for public security," he said.
Dr Gallo says there will be a national institute for the regulation of cannabis, which will be similar to the regulation of tobacco.
He also warns those who might want to indulge in what has been euphemistically called "ecological tourism".
"Brazilian citizens, Argentineans and any other foreign national, are prohibited from coming to Uruguay to consume," he said.
"Only our citizens will be authorised with proof of identity. No one else."
Marijuana users in Uruguay will ultimately have easier access, but they will also have surveillance, with each of their plants or monthly purchases monitored by authorities.
The bill, which passed the lower house of congress in August, was assured of passage in the senate because the ruling coalition controls both chambers.
silly, silly people
war on drug far better way to go
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Holden gorn.
The flow on effect in job losses will be massive up to 50,000. 10 weeks of unemployment benefits for these people will cost more than the 150 mill required to prop up Holden for another few years. Unless Abott is planning to scrap that too.
Cant blame Abbot entirely but its happened on his watch and he had a choice to kick in money to prop them up. Right or wrong.
Hmmmmmm......
Alot of negative things happening as a result of their stances, or lack of. Seems to be an exceedingly bad government who is either incompetent or completely out of touch
Diplomacy - fail.
Stop the boats - fail
Jobs - epic fail
Minister spending and rorts - fail
Transparency - fail
accountability - fail
Cutting school funding promises - tried but got smashed
Cutting childcare wage promises - trying but getting smashed
Looking after Murdoch n co - pass
Economy - hmmmmmmm.....
No wonder the polls are so bad for the Libs
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Short on cash? Stretch the nations credit card to half trillion dollars?
Not taxing pollution or mining sterling piece of economic management
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Liberal suckholes sorry supporters on this site are certainly quiet at the moment.
:lol
One term Tony must be a massive disappointment for them.
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Liberal suckholes sorry supporters on this site are certainly quiet at the moment.
:lol
One term Tony must be a massive disappointment for them.
Forgot to add the attempted wind back of school funding and the windback of childcare teacher funding, whilst Murdoch and co have been given greater intervention into the Aus market. Well done Tony for governing for the people :nope
Always stuns me how staunch Lib working and middle class voters vote in a LIB goverment who ultimately gives less back to them in favour of the big corporations and the top 10%, under the guise of 'let the free capitalist market benefit us all'.
The market gives no poo about those people providing they are consuming and making the captains of industry more wealthy.
Its almost as bad as all the southern idiots who vote conservative in the states.
Just wait til work choices gets back on the agenda under an different name of course
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Liberal suckholes sorry supporters on this site are certainly quiet at the moment.
:lol
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. —Proverbs 26:4
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Liberal suckholes sorry supporters on this site are certainly quiet at the moment.
:lol
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. —Proverbs 26:4
The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit. - Proverbs 18:21
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"The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go." - Dr Seuss
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At last some talent on the Libs side.
Now all they have to do is find another 60 or so to join him.
:lol
Christian Porter: Meet Australia's future Prime Minister
December 12, 2013
Paul Sheehan
First Speech: Hon Christian Porter MP
"On 23 November 1956, a painfully angular 19-year-old Brisbane boy, with a physique the cross between a praying mantis and a wire coat hanger, jumped for his country on the first day of the Melbourne Olympic Games. That boy was my father. His sole possessions totalled an ill-fitting Australian team tracksuit and a pair of Buddy Holly-style horn-rimmed glasses. He competed in what was then and what remains to this day the longest and most engrossing field event in Olympic history.''
That is a strong way to open your first speech in Federal Parliament. These words were spoken at 3.28pm on Monday by the standout of the generation of politicians which has just come into Federal Parliament. I will be surprised if he does not become prime minister one day.
His name is Christian Porter. In 2010, having just turned 40, he was both the treasurer and attorney-general of Western Australia and heir-apparent to Colin Barnett as Premier. Last year, Porter turned away from state stardom and sought Liberal Party pre-selection for the federal seat of Pearce. It was a contest whose outcome was far from certain. But he brought a formidable resume, is a former national debating champion, and is extremely funny. It's a rare gift in politics.
As Porter delivered his maiden speech the press gallery was empty apart from myself and the duty AAP reporter. In 2009, I had attended the Perth Writers Festival and been impressed by the young attorney-general who opened the festival and had the audience laughing. I'd never heard of him. We have stayed in touch ever since.
Anyone who reads his maiden speech will find the quality of the opening never flags as it moves from the personal - ''unfortunately, I inherited little of the athletic ability of my father and 100 per cent of the chicken legs'' - to the political: ''The Asian convergence … is the single greatest economic event since the industrial revolution … That 60 per cent of the world's population will in our lifetime converge rapidly towards our own standard of living will have deep implications for the entire world … Australia faces the economic opportunity of its life …
''As with all times of opportunity … too many poor decisions and our opportunities will be lost, and Australia will face a not-too-gradual decline. The one certainty will be that some gentle, happy equilibrium of our national prospects will not be the order of the day …''
He is alarmed by the drift towards structural debt and deficit: ''The swift return to robust surplus is an absolutely critical, but not sufficient, condition to growing our economy … If we are to exist and thrive with Asian tigers, we would be well advised to remain a formidable economic creature in our own right.
''One area ripe for economic reform is the federal system … The federal government is the complicated child of five state parents; it is not the product of immaculate conception, although sometimes it has thought itself infallible … It now accounts for just over half of all government expenditure, with 80 per cent of the revenue base. The states roughly account for the rest, but with only 15 per cent of the direct revenue base. These figures reveal great fiscal imbalance, a major problem that is in dire need of reform … the [GST] system is too extreme, highly inequitable and propagates enormous inefficiency.''
By now his allotted time was coming to an end. He looked up to the public gallery, to his wife, and his voice quavered: ''Jennifer, if I were told that it were within my power to go back to the 1970s to watch Dennis Lillee bowl again at the WACA, that I could take all my friends, that Sir Isaiah Berlin and Han Solo would be special guests, and that James Reyne would do an acoustic set during the lunch break, but that … you could not attend with me, then I would not bother … Jennifer, all the good things are nothing special without you.''
With that Porter ended his speech. His wife was crying. Later, at dinner, she presented him with an inscribed compass, to help steer him home, now that he has arrived on the big stage, far from the west.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/christian-porter-meet-australias-future-prime-minister-20131211-2z6bx.html#ixzz2nDwweD3o
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Liberal suckholes sorry supporters on this site are certainly quiet at the moment.
:lol
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. —Proverbs 26:4
Food goes in here - Simpson 24:7
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To be is to do
-Socrates
To do is to be
-Sartre
Do Be Do Be Do
-Sinatra
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Shoo bee doo wop- rare essence 6:1985
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ah, like water, the thread has finally found its level. ;D
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Turtle on a stick. Who wouldn't want one....
"Knowledge is knowing that a Tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit Salad." - Miles Kington
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This thread has become very profound and very deep the last few days :bow
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"Always look on the bright side of life ... da-de da-da da-da da-de" - Monty Python
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7359/9697095519_95ef0ed67c.jpg)
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"Always look on the bright side of life ... da-de da-da da-da da-de" - Monty Python
How do you whistle "da-de da-da da-da da-de" MT?
;D
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Liberal suckholes sorry supporters on this site are certainly quiet at the moment.
:lol
One term Tony must be a massive disappointment for them.
I think you will find that liberal and labor supporters alike avoid the thread like the plague thanks to the garbage you post
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The Lib supporters avoid the thread out of embarrassment.
They are acutely aware of how bad this government is.
History will judge Gillard and Rudd well.
Mind you we needed to get rid of both of them, :thumbsup
But Abbott is a price we should not have to pay.
One term, if he lasts that long.
:cheers
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Liberal suckholes sorry supporters on this site are certainly quiet at the moment.
:lol
One term Tony must be a massive disappointment for them.
I think you will find that liberal and labor supporters alike avoid the thread like the plague thanks to the garbage you post
There is a fair amount of people in australia that are disillusioned with both parties. America also.
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yes im telling the lot of ya. open ya freakin eyes, dont swallow all that codswallop they feed ya. use your minds i say, and think for yourselves if its at all possible. ya snivelling bunch of tragics.
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I agree.
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"Always look on the bright side of life ... da-de da-da da-da da-de" - Monty Python
How do you whistle "da-de da-da da-da da-de" MT?
;D
Well not with a dead parrot ;D.
Need a live one ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-uqfnYqITs
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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/15/world/meast/iran-us-levinson/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Well its time to get things back on topic,
"The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost Airline Luggage" - Mark Russell
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So what did we think of Joe Hockey's MYEFO?
Hard to be impressed by this piece of creative accounting
December 18, 2013
Ross Gittins
How on Earth did we convince ourselves this bunch would be miles better at fixing the budget than the last lot?
We are being softened up for a tough budget in May
Joe Hockey claims his midyear budget update is an honest assessment of the state of fiscal affairs he inherited from Labor. It isn't.
Rather, it is an attempt to lower expectations about the speed and ease with which the Coalition will be able to get the budget back on track.
He won't be able to achieve it for many years - he's not saying when - and not without significant and painful, but as yet unidentified, cuts in government spending. In short, he is unlikely to be able to do it much faster than Labor would have. What's likely to differ is who will bear most pain.
Labor would have erred in the direction of higher taxes, particularly on the better-off. Hockey has ruled out higher taxes and is hinting at cuts in government spending on ''welfare, education and health''.
Contrast this grim slog with all the Coalition said in opposition about the deficit being purely the result of Labor mismanagement.
This time last year Tony Abbott and Hockey were promising to deliver a budget surplus in each year of their first term. By the election campaign the return to surplus had been delayed until the first year after the next election.
Now even that is in doubt.
Hockey claims the midyear review and deficit estimates it contains draw ''a line in the sand''. From now, he says, he will take responsibility for budget estimates.
Although the pre-election budget statement, certified by the most senior econocrats, was specifically instigated by the Howard government to remove all doubt about the true state of the budget at election time, Hockey is claiming to have uncovered a budget black hole.
This financial year's budget deficit is now expected to be $17 billion bigger, while the cumulative deficits for the next four years are expected to be $68 billion bigger. Little of this can be fairly attributed to the previous government. More than 60 per cent of the expected worsening in this year's deficit is attributed to decisions made by the Abbott government, most particularly the capital grant of almost $9 billion to the Reserve Bank
It represents a piece of creative accounting, loading up the deficit in the year for which Labor can be blamed so as to improve the deficit in the years for which the Coalition will be responsible.
But when you look at the expected deterioration over four years, 80 per cent of it is attributable to the worsening outlook for the economy just since the election.
Hockey is trying to shift the blame for this deterioration onto Labor but, in truth, if it comes to pass it will be caused by factors largely beyond the control of any government.
Hockey is right in his claim that government spending grew a lot faster under Labor than it tried to have us believe. He is right, too, in saying the present prospect of another decade of deficits cannot be accepted.
We are being softened up for a tough budget in May. What remains to be seen, however, is whether Hockey and Abbott have the toughness needed to get the budget back on track and do so without damaging the economy in the short term or sharing the pain unfairly.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/hard-to-be-impressed-by-this-piece-of-creative-accounting-20131217-2zjbo.html#ixzz2nmguwbMn
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Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Stop the waste.
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budget surplasses are extremely overated.
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Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Stop the waste.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Jvb5cBfiE
09.45 (13.45) Russia Today has captured this clip of Putin, when talking about Edward Snowden, saying he envies Barack Obama because he can spy and get away with it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10526242/Vladimir-Putin-annual-press-conference-live.html
Brazil has rejected a contract for Boeing’s F/A-18 fighter jets in favor of the Swedish Saab’s JAS 39 Gripens. The unexpected move to reject the US bid comes amid the global scandal over the NSA’s involvement in economic espionage activities.
The announcement for the purchase of 36 fighters was made Wednesday by Brazilian Defense Minister Celso Amorim and Air Force Commander Junti Saito. The jets will cost US$4.5 billion, well below the estimated market value of around US$7 billion
http://rt.com/news/brazil-nsa-defense-contract-454/
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxq__3z9zGM
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But the accomplishments that most deserve commendation, we think, are path-breaking reforms that do not merely improve a single nation but, if emulated, might benefit the world. Gay marriage is one such border-crossing policy, which has increased the global sum of human happiness at no financial cost. Several countries have implemented it in 2013—including Uruguay, which also, uniquely, passed a law to legalise and regulate the production, sale and consumption of cannabis. This is a change so obviously sensible, squeezing out the crooks and allowing the authorities to concentrate on graver crimes, that no other country has made it. If others followed suit, and other narcotics were included, the damage such drugs wreak on the world would be drastically reduced.
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1tes9b/the_economists_country_of_the_year_uruguay_for/
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One term Tony has NFI.
This is the worst government I have seen and my political involvement stretches back to when Harold Holt was taken by a Russian mini sub.
China will inflict pain if Abbott blunders on
December 24, 2013
Hugh White
Tony Abbott could hardly have got off to a worse start in managing Australia's most important and complex diplomatic relationship. If he does not change his tune, Beijing will start inflicting pain. Abbott seems not yet to understand how much pain it can inflict, on him and on Australia. He will soon learn. He is about to get a lesson on the nature of power.
China was already uneasy about Abbott before he became Prime Minster because of things he'd said in opposition about Chinese investment, Tibet and Taiwan. But its anger now is about the Abbott government's approach to strategic tensions in north-east Asia, especially between China and Japan.
Just as those tensions have been escalating sharply, Abbott has swung Australia dramatically away from an even-handed position towards strong support for Japan. To Beijing this is a clear move against it on an issue of vital importance. It is not just about who owns a few tiny rocks in the East China Sea. It is ultimately about how Asia accommodates China's growing power and ambition. Nothing matters to Beijing more.
The new government's swing towards Japan began within a month of the election, when Australia signed a strikingly pro-Japanese joint statement at the annual US-Japan-Australia foreign ministers meeting. A few days later Abbott gushingly described Japan as ''Australia's best friend in Asia''. The last month's AUSMIN communique was unprecedentedly pro-Japan.
This all helps explain the intensity of Beijing's displeasure at our government's response to China's new air defence identification zone in late November. Canberra orchestrated a highly publicised dressing-down of the Chinese ambassador over an issue in which, from Beijing's perspective, we have no direct involvement and were gratuitously siding with Japan against China.
China's anger grew further when Abbott responded to Beijing's initial sharp criticism of these moves. In what we are starting to recognise as characteristic of his diplomacy, Abbott responded to criticism by coming back swinging harder still. In doing this he said two very strange and unwise things.
First, he explained Australia's position by saying that Australia is ''a strong ally of Japan'', and directly compared our alliance with Japan with our alliance with America. That certainly confirms Beijing's ideas about where Abbott stands in the escalating rivalry between Asia's giants. But it is simply false. Australia is not an ''ally'' of Japan in any serious sense - and certainly not at all in the sense that we are an ally of the US.
And it is an extremely serious thing to say at a time when Japan's relations with China are sliding towards a precipice. As Japan's ''ally'', does Abbott agree with Tokyo's new national security strategy, released last week, which explicitly accused China of trying to change the status quo in Asia by coercion?
Second, Abbott dismissed any suggestion that his forthright support of Japan might cost Australia economically. ''China trades with us because it is in China's interests to trade with us,'' he breezily affirmed. So he thinks there's no chance that we'd actually have to pay any price for his posturing.
That's a big call. Abbott is very naive about international markets if he thinks Australia's exports to China are irreplaceable. And he is very naive about the nature of international politics if he thinks China will not use its immense economic leverage to pursue what it sees as vital strategic interests. There is every chance China will punish Australia economically if Abbott doesn't change his tune. His hopes for quick agreement to a free trade agreement might be an obvious target.
Of course many people will say Abbott is doing the right thing. Australia should speak its mind when, as he put it, ''Australia's values and interests have been compromised''. But speaking up for our values and interests is easy and cheap when the balance of power is on our side. It's harder when the power shifts to others. They have values and interests too, which might not be the same as ours, and they'll stand up for their values and interests as we and our friends do for ours.
When that happens we have to work out how far we try to impose our views on them, and how far we allow them to impose theirs on us. It is called power politics, and it's not easy. Abbott doesn't get it. He still thinks we and our close mates in the Anglosphere hold all the power.
Abbott will keep getting foreign policy badly wrong until he learns differently, and the Chinese are about to teach him. With a bit of luck they will do so quietly, so that he has the chance to avoid too public and humiliating a back-down. And with a bit of luck Abbott will have the brains to take that chance if it is offered.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/china-will-inflict-pain-if-abbott-blunders-on-20131223-2zueu.html#ixzz2oKJdurMF
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Tony is headed for a hostile senate after all.
:lol
Coalition's WA slump spurs Senate fears for Tony Abbott
Dennis Shanahan, Political Editor
The Australian
December 28, 2013 12:00AM
VOTER support for Tony Abbott's Coalition has slumped in Western Australia since the election and a dramatic rise for Labor and independents will threaten the Liberal hold on three Senate seats and the ability to repeal the carbon tax if the High Court orders a new Senate election in the state next year.
According to the latest Newspoll analysis of state-by-state and demographic voting support in the past three months, conducted exclusively for The Weekend Australian, the Abbott government's first 100 days have ended with a drop in Western Australia of 10 percentage points from its election primary vote of 51.2 per cent to 41 per cent.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalitions-wa-slump-spurs-senate-fears-for-tony-abbott/story-fn59niix-1226790896734#
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As much as Abbott is making it up as he goes alone, it's more the state Government's fault for the decline in support for the Libs in WA.
On a different issue, while I don't agree with everything he says, it's good to see old Bobby bringing up the need for constitutional change by reducing the number of government tiers from three down to two.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/bob-hawke-calls-for-abolition-of-states-in-speech-at-woodford-folk-festival/story-fnihsrk2-1226791259691
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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/28/us/10-things-colorado-recreational-marijuana/index.html
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Yanks not happy with Jews
Selling advanced weapons to Chinese
Will USA give these aid money
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/12/22/u-s-furious-with-israel-after-sale-of-advanced-military-technology-to-china/
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Julia broke one promise and got pilloried for three years.
Broken vows pile up as Coalition's pledge of 1 million new jobs refuted
January 2, 2014
David Wroe
The Abbott government faces further pressure over broken promises with a new analysis showing it will fall well short of its pledge to create 1 million jobs over five years.
Despite Tony Abbott's repeated vows as opposition leader to ''under-promise and over-deliver'' in government, new parliamentary research based on the government's own economic forecasts indicates the Coalition will fall at least 200,000 jobs short.
The analysis, carried out by the Parliamentary Library at the request of Labor, was backed by a range of economists.
In the run-up to the election, Mr Abbott repeatedly vowed to create 1 million new jobs over five years, and 2 million over a decade, by scrapping the carbon and mining taxes, cutting red tape for business, and boosting productivity, among other measures.
By combining employment data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics with Treasury's jobs growth forecast in last month's mini-budget, the library calculated the Australian economy would add about 620,000 jobs over the next four years. Even allowing for a fifth year, the figures show the government will fall well short of 1 million new jobs.
The mini-budget, or midyear economic and fiscal outlook (MYEFO), was the government's first major economic statement.
The analysis follows broken Coalition promises on school funding and the roll-out of the National Broadband Network, as well as hints at changes to paid parental leave, the National Disability Insurance Scheme and Medicare. It also comes as the government battles the political fallout of job losses with the planned pull-out by Holden and lay-offs by SPC Ardmona.
Acting Treasurer Mathias Cormann stood by the government's jobs pledge, blaming Labor for the modest jobs growth forecast in the MYEFO.
''It is no secret that we inherited an economy growing below trend, rising unemployment, and a budget in very bad shape,'' he said. ''MYEFO is a reflection of that.''
But shadow treasurer Chris Bowen said the shortfall looked set to become Mr Abbott's ''biggest broken promise''.
''We cannot continue to see the poor performance on jobs continue with mass lay-offs, particularly in manufacturing, as the government abandons any meaningful role in fostering innovation and the high-skills and high-wage jobs that come with that,'' he said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/broken-vows-pile-up-as-coalitions-pledge-of-1-million-new-jobs-refuted-20140101-3066n.html#ixzz2pBQYCQgl
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Jobs jobs jobs. Stop the waste. $29 billion NBN. Please ignore the boats.
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Plus removing billion of dollars of food and water from the worlds starving dying sick
Tony the humanitarian :bow
I'm surprised he's not yet been knighted
Sir tony :clapping
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Melbourne must slash its local councils from 31 to just one if it is to plan services and large-scale infrastructure effectively, a former CEO of the City of Melbourne and aide to premier Jeff Kennett says.
And Australia should cut its levels of government to just two - national and regional - rather than the current three tiers.
''Our federation and the sheer number and layers of organisations that involve themselves in decision making … slows us down,'' said Elizabeth Proust delivering the Planning Institute's annual Kemsley Oration, the industry's key annual address, late last year.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/call-to-slash-melbournes-inefficient-councils-20140102-307uc.html#ixzz2pUXJfmq0
The problem is the PM as a staunch monarchist will oppose any constitutional reform even if the push comes from his own side of politics such as this.
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What sort of bugs me ...is why did theses institutions all work quite well and coherently in years gone by and now they are seen as a financial and beurocratic burden on society and the economy.
will we be more efficient without them? will it bring solid tangible benefis to each of us,or is this just part of the slash and burn that's taking place across the western world to balance the books?
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What sort of bugs me ...is why did theses institutions all work quite well and coherently in years gone by and now they are seen as a financial and beurocratic burden on society and the economy.
will we be more efficient without them? will it bring solid tangible benefis to each of us,or is this just part of the slash and burn that's taking place across the western world to balance the books?
No system works forever as is. It needs to evolve with the times and be continually adapted or parts replaced if need be. Our constitution was put together over 100 years ago for a very different Australian society and in a very different world. It made sense to have three tiers initially given the tyranny of distance of a large country, created as a federation of 6 separate colonies, with a small population and the lack of fast transport and communication systems between them. As a result, the roles of each tier were able to be very specific back then too with little crossover. Society has changed over the years but with the advancement of the digital age with its instant communication not only across the country but also over the world, it's changed the nature of Australian society and how we do things completely. The three tiers has been able to be adapted over the years to centralise things in an attempt to make things more uniform across the country but this has lead to significant crossover of responsibility across the three tiers with all its duplication and even triplication. It's just an unsustainable, costly, over-governed, inefficient mess now and we are paying for it both in terms of all the taxes and regulations to support all three tiers and outdated and missing infrastructure due to all the segmented planning/policies and buck passing of responsibility.
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What sort of bugs me ...is why did theses institutions all work quite well and coherently in years gone by and now they are seen as a financial and beurocratic burden on society and the economy.
will we be more efficient without them? will it bring solid tangible benefis to each of us,or is this just part of the slash and burn that's taking place across the western world to balance the books?
No system works forever as is. It needs to evolve with the times and be continually adapted or parts replaced if need be. Our constitution was put together over 100 years ago for a very different Australian society and in a very different world. It made sense to have three tiers initially given the tyranny of distance of a large country, created as a federation of 6 separate colonies, with a small population and the lack of fast transport and communication systems between them. As a result, the roles of each tier were able to be very specific back then too with little crossover. Society has changed over the years but with the advancement of the digital age with its instant communication not only across the country but also over the world, it's changed the nature of Australian society and how we do things completely. The three tiers has been able to be adapted over the years to centralise things in an attempt to make things more uniform across the country but this has lead to significant crossover of responsibility across the three tiers with all its duplication and even triplication. It's just an unsustainable, costly, over-governed, inefficient mess now and we are paying for it both in terms of all the taxes and regulations to support all three tiers and outdated and missing infrastructure due to all the segmented planning/policies and buck passing of responsibility.
Absolutely agree MT, I've commented on this same issue before. I have always been in favour of removing the State government tier but I guess it could only be done by basically creating a new tier taking on a mix of Local and State roles, with some State roles passed up to the federal level. Health, Education and Transport are 3 that spring to mind for me.
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Cori Bernardi just proving again what an absolute fruitcake he is.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/cory-bernardi-accuses-some-women-using-abortion-as-form-of-birth-control/story-fni0xqrb-1226795567806
A "conservative revolution" :help. Someone needs to remind the nutter we have secular democracy ::).
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What sort of bugs me ...is why did theses institutions all work quite well and coherently in years gone by and now they are seen as a financial and beurocratic burden on society and the economy.
will we be more efficient without them? will it bring solid tangible benefis to each of us,or is this just part of the slash and burn that's taking place across the western world to balance the books?
No system works forever as is. It needs to evolve with the times and be continually adapted or parts replaced if need be. Our constitution was put together over 100 years ago for a very different Australian society and in a very different world. It made sense to have three tiers initially given the tyranny of distance of a large country, created as a federation of 6 separate colonies, with a small population and the lack of fast transport and communication systems between them. As a result, the roles of each tier were able to be very specific back then too with little crossover. Society has changed over the years but with the advancement of the digital age with its instant communication not only across the country but also over the world, it's changed the nature of Australian society and how we do things completely. The three tiers has been able to be adapted over the years to centralise things in an attempt to make things more uniform across the country but this has lead to significant crossover of responsibility across the three tiers with all its duplication and even triplication. It's just an unsustainable, costly, over-governed, inefficient mess now and we are paying for it both in terms of all the taxes and regulations to support all three tiers and outdated and missing infrastructure due to all the segmented planning/policies and buck passing of responsibility.
Absolutely agree MT, I've commented on this same issue before. I have always been in favour of removing the State government tier but I guess it could only be done by basically creating a new tier taking on a mix of Local and State roles, with some State roles passed up to the federal level. Health, Education and Transport are 3 that spring to mind for me.
I agree Smokey that it could only be done by abolishing the existing Local and State governments and creating a new tier taking on a mix of Local and State roles. So we would then have a two tier government system - Federal and Provincial/regional. The capital cities would be the easiest to implement along this lines suggested by Elizabeth Proust.
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My tattooist mates up north not very happy about having to do this at all
http://www.fairtrading.qld.gov.au/Forms/Application_for_a_tattooist_licence.pdf
Parts D and F are an absolute rot. Nothing more than artists trying to make a quid and being treated like criminals or deviants.
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Sounds like German secret police during war..m
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Happy twelfth anniversary Guantanamo bay :bow
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It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap ::).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410
Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.
116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z
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It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap ::).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410
At least there is opposition:
Parents' and citizens' associations are rejecting Mr Donnelly's push for more religious education, saying religious studies belong in the home, not in public schools.
Critical and objective thinking is what needs to be stressed in education. Not only to combat backwards religious principles, but right out to pseudoscience too.
It's comments like:
"When you look at Parliaments around Australia - they all begin with the Lord's prayer. If you look at our constitution, the preamble is about God.
"You can't airbrush that from history - it has to be recognised."
When you look at history it was Judeo-Christianity leading genocides, tyranny, slavery, drowning and burning people for not buying into their dribble. Yet much of that has been happily airbrushed from history.
I'm vehemently anti-theist and it's just crap, hypocritical rubbish like this that really gets my back up. Spare me the moral argument. Any religion built on blackmail is devoid of morality. Don't brainwash any more youths.
edit: I love Doug Stanhope http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/31/doug-stanhope-raises-money-for-atheist-out-of-spite_n_4524264.html
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Pffft
That's all in thepast. What do you think this is 1096?
Move on
War on terror has no religious undertones
Not a war vs Muslims for oil. Its top stop terror.
Now, the war on drugs. Another logical philosophy correct war :bow
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/10/nsa-mass-surveillance-powers-john-inglis-npr?r=q
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA0C0VR20140113?feedType=RSS&irpc=932
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It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap ::).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410
Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.
116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z
education for the masses is overrated. you can stick a rich kid in the best school but if hes a moron or just dumb it wont make a difference. the only system that works is having entrance exams for all schools including the private schools and the best kids get in and where a poor kid cant afford to pay then the government should subsidise it for him or her. the days where the bludgers of high society get their dumb kids into the best schools needs to end. also needing to be ended is the fee paying idiots from overseas who pay to get into university courses and they are dumb as dogshit. they just take places away from good Australian kids. ;D
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It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap ::).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410
Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.
116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z
education for the masses is overrated. you can stick a rich kid in the best school but if hes a moron or just dumb it wont make a difference. the only system that works is having entrance exams for all schools including the private schools and the best kids get in and where a poor kid cant afford to pay then the government should subsidise it for him or her. the days where the bludgers of high society get their dumb kids into the best schools needs to end. also needing to be ended is the fee paying idiots from overseas who pay to get into university courses and they are dumb as dogpoo. they just take places away from good Australian kids. ;D
Most private schools do have entrance exams to get into them ;).
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It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap ::).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410
Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.
116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z
education for the masses is overrated. you can stick a rich kid in the best school but if hes a moron or just dumb it wont make a difference. the only system that works is having entrance exams for all schools including the private schools and the best kids get in and where a poor kid cant afford to pay then the government should subsidise it for him or her. the days where the bludgers of high society get their dumb kids into the best schools needs to end. also needing to be ended is the fee paying idiots from overseas who pay to get into university courses and they are dumb as dogpoo. they just take places away from good Australian kids. ;D
Most private schools do have entrance exams to get into them ;).
No they don't. Less than 5% in fact
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It would be nice to have a government that just focuses on the fundamentals of education rather than this political cultural war crap ::).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-11/curriculum-critic-wants-more-religion-to-be-taught-in-schools/5195410
Speaking of needing education, Pyne and Donnelly need to read our constitution and learn that we live in a secular democracy.
116. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=6ED2CAE61E7742A1B2C42F95D4C05252&_z=z
education for the masses is overrated. you can stick a rich kid in the best school but if hes a moron or just dumb it wont make a difference. the only system that works is having entrance exams for all schools including the private schools and the best kids get in and where a poor kid cant afford to pay then the government should subsidise it for him or her. the days where the bludgers of high society get their dumb kids into the best schools needs to end. also needing to be ended is the fee paying idiots from overseas who pay to get into university courses and they are dumb as dogpoo. they just take places away from good Australian kids. ;D
Most private schools do have entrance exams to get into them ;).
No they don't. Less than 5% in fact
Don't most of the APS schools have some form of extrance exam? They used to.
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Most test students but do not use the results for entrance.
:cheers
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Even Bill is starting to talk about one-term Tony.
:cheers
Bill Shorten says he can limit Prime Minister Tony Abbott to one term
January 20, 2014
Michael Gordon
Bill Shorten has branded Tony Abbott a potential ''oncer'' prime minister, insisting Labor can win government back at the next election if it stays united.
Declaring jobs, cuts and broken promises the key political battleground for the coming year, the Labor leader says he is stunned that Mr Abbott has squandered so much political capital so quickly.
In an interview to mark 100 days since he assumed the Labor leadership, Mr Shorten claimed the government was vulnerable on jobs, health, education, climate change and the implementation of its ''stop the boats'' policy.
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''I'm amazed at how our relationship with Indonesia went from hero to zero so quickly,'' he said before four days campaigning in Brisbane for the February 8 Griffith byelection.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-says-he-can-limit-prime-minister-tony-abbott-to-one-term-20140119-312te.html#ixzz2quQc7jIB
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Tony is on the world stage and is commenting on domestic politics.
FFS this man is a political lightweight who unless he improves will be a one term PM.
This is the worst government that I can remember (and I marched in the streets when Kerr sacked Whitlam).
PM Tony Abbott shouldn't be playing the challenger's game
January 22, 2014 - 1:14PM
Mark Kenny
For those of us doing relaxing summery things like watching tennis, the return of national politics may feel a tad premature.
Still, the overlap brings to mind the to-and-fro exchanges of the otherwise more entertaining action on Rod Laver Arena.
Bill Shorten says Tony Abbott could be a "oncer" as Prime Minister.
Abbott responds to the taunt with a crisp volley, branding Shorten "cocky".
It was probably Abbott who lost the point, to strain the tennis analogy further.
Why? Because of the two, it was he who departed furthest from his game-plan - in this case, building a reputation as a statesman and as a prime minister.
Strutting the world stage in the Swiss resort town of Davos, Abbott need not have taken the domestic Shorten bait at all.
He could have either brushed the "oncer" comment away with a simple "no comment" or perhaps even agreed in a qualified fashion, arguing as he so often used to, that winning elections is never guaranteed.
Instead, in the instant of his tit-for-tat reflex, Abbott revealed the distance he has to go to grow into the role as PM.
The episode is of no substantive import except inasmuch as in what it tells us about the Abbott journey.
Critics, including some on his own side have seen him as not so much growing in the role as shrinking.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/pm-tony-abbott-shouldnt-be-playing-the-challengers-game-20140122-3183y.html#ixzz2r768BeXq
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(http://media2.apnonline.com.au/img/media/images/2013/10/22/abbott_girls_t460.jpg)
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Jobs, jobs, jobs.
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Jobs, jobs, jobs.
Going, going, going.
The saddest/stupidest thing about the SPC decision is the cost to the Government/taxpayer, in additional welfare from job losses and loss in tax revenue from connected business going under in Shepparton and the Goulburn Valley, will likely far exceed that $25m.
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SPC should have said the money was to build a new facility in a Tasmanian forest or the Great Barrier Reef or something. Surely would have been approved then.
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No $$$ for SPC but Tony and his team can find $16mil for Cadbury
And BTW Tony said that SPC's parent company should put the $$ in. What Tony and his team forgot to mention is that parent company was going to put the $$$ to the tune of $90mil
As for the State Govt - there commitment of if the Feds put in $$$ we will match it is well a cop out
Gotta love the consistency of pollies
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SPC should have said the money was to build a new facility in a Tasmanian forest or the Great Barrier Reef or something. Surely would have been approved then.
Lol
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Work choices is dead and buried.
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"Governments are very bad at picking winners. Losers are very good at picking Governments." - Joe Hockey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTnEjQ7LxMo&feature=youtu.be
:rollin
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More on the real power behind Tony Abbott: Peta Credlin
Twitter, Facebook out of bounds for Coalition staff under strict controls
February 10, 2014 - 12:45PM
James Massola
Political correspondent
The Abbott government has quietly introduced a hardline code of conduct for ministerial staff, banning political commentary on social media sites including Twitter and Facebook.
The ban also extends to current Coalition staff writing books and newspaper articles and staff seeking "further guidance" on the new rules are referred directly to Tony Abbott's chief of staff, Peta Credlin.
The Statement of Standards for Ministerial Staff was updated late last year and is based on the code of conduct for staff introduced by the first Rudd government back in 2007.
The two codes of conduct are identical, except for the addition of a 22nd clause in the Coalition code, which states that staff must: "Other than in the course of their professional duties, not post personal online commentary or other material or publish books or articles expressing personal views which relate to either their minister's portfolio area or the general work of the Australian government."
"The Prime Minister's chief of staff should be consulted for further guidance."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/twitter-facebook-out-of-bounds-for-coalition-staff-under-strict-controls-20140210-32b4n.html#ixzz2sshQ59p8
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you're unreal '65
no mention of the govt sending in the feds to raid the offices of the lawyer representing East Timor, and their star witness and confiscation of his passport so he could not attend the international court in the Hague.
Nothing said about Tony Abbot saying that they wouldn't give SPC any money because the workers were overpaid, most of whom get paid about 50k a year, or that him and his cronies told outright lies about said employees getting well over and above award rates.
Nothing about the government setting up an ultra expensive Royal Commission into union corruption, just to satisfy his own idealist hate of unions, when the best course of action would have been to set up an inquiry by the Australian Crime Commission, who can basically prosecute as they go, and who will most probably be giving a large portion of the evidence to the Royal Commission anyway.
But this mindless drivel is noteworthy?
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you're unreal '65
no mention of the govt sending in the feds to raid the offices of the lawyer representing East Timor, and their star witness and confiscation of his passport so he could not attend the international court in the Hague.
Nothing said about Tony Abbot saying that they wouldn't give SPC any money because the workers were overpaid, most of whom get paid about 50k a year, or that him and his cronies told outright lies about said employees getting well over and above award rates.
Nothing about the government setting up an ultra expensive Royal Commission into union corruption, just to satisfy his own idealist hate of unions, when the best course of action would have been to set up an inquiry by the Australian Crime Commission, who can basically prosecute as they go, and who will most probably be giving a large portion of the evidence to the Royal Commission anyway.
But this mindless drivel is noteworthy?
More important than you realise.
Expect Hockey to challenge and win before the next election.
Peta Credlin will be the first to go.
:cheers
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the government putting a ban on staff from making political comments on social media is more important than the government using ASIO to prevent evidence being given in an international court that Australia used the same spy agency to spy on a sovereign nation so Woodside Petroleum could gain the upper hand during negotiations to Exploit East Timor's gas reserves?
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Yep
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:lol
you sure you're not a tea bagger in denial?
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XgzZ4aPThDQ/Uq6Kj9-ZlYI/AAAAAAAACwg/svSFbT0kXoo/s1600/Timor-mosquito-la'o%2Bhamutuk.jpg)
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Jobs, jobs, jobs.
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Jobs, jobs, jobs.
Still going, going, going........ Good-bye car manufacturing in Australia and our components industry.
TOYOTA is set to cease local manufacturing in 2017, spelling the end of carmaking in Australia.
http://www.news.com.au/national/toyota-to-end-australian-carmaking-by-end-of-2017-with-2500-jobs-to-go-at-its-altona-plant/story-fncynjr2-1226822787698
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XgzZ4aPThDQ/Uq6Kj9-ZlYI/AAAAAAAACwg/svSFbT0kXoo/s1600/Timor-mosquito-la'o%2Bhamutuk.jpg)
That 'is' sucking natural resources. 'IS'....
Obviously of which, education and literacy is not one.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XgzZ4aPThDQ/Uq6Kj9-ZlYI/AAAAAAAACwg/svSFbT0kXoo/s1600/Timor-mosquito-la'o%2Bhamutuk.jpg)
That 'is' sucking natural resources. 'IS'....
Obviously of which, education and literacy is not one.
Looks like the "A" has been added between "is" and "mosquito" as well.
:lol
But honestly WGAF
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Nup. :nope
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Us media less freedom than Romania
http://rsf.org/index2014/en-index2014.php
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http://generalstrikeusa.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/30-kinds-of-approved-torture-used-by-the-c-i-a/
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Not that the Libs GAF but this effects their Budget bottom line.
Not to mention the human cost involved which they really don't care about (the unemployed all vote Labor don't they?)
:banghead
Unemployment rate worst in 10 years
February 13, 2014 - 12:23PM
Glenda Kwek
Business Reporter
Australia's unemployment rate has reached its worst level in 10 years.
The jobless rate has shot up to 6 per cent, its highest level in more than a decade, as 3700 jobs were removed from the economy, official figures show.
There were 7100 full-time positions lost and 3400 part-time jobs added, the Bureau of Statistics data for January showed.
The participation rate, the percentage of people either in work or looking for work, remained stable at 64.5 per cent. December's participation rate was revised down to 64.5 per cent from 64.6 per cent.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/unemployment-rate-worst-in-10-years-20140213-32jqx.html#ixzz2tA5UZOrk
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Taking away five billion dollars from the world's most hungry and dying children
And still failing to make jobs jobs jobs? Oh tony
But this is all small picture. Look at the Forrest not the trees: $10 billion per year in fossil fuel subsidies :clapping :clapping
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Not that the Libs GAF but this effects their Budget bottom line.
Not to mention the human cost involved which they really don't care about (the unemployed all vote Labor don't they?)
:banghead
Unemployment rate worst in 10 years
February 13, 2014 - 12:23PM
Glenda Kwek
Business Reporter
Australia's unemployment rate has reached its worst level in 10 years.
The jobless rate has shot up to 6 per cent, its highest level in more than a decade, as 3700 jobs were removed from the economy, official figures show.
There were 7100 full-time positions lost and 3400 part-time jobs added, the Bureau of Statistics data for January showed.
The participation rate, the percentage of people either in work or looking for work, remained stable at 64.5 per cent. December's participation rate was revised down to 64.5 per cent from 64.6 per cent.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/unemployment-rate-worst-in-10-years-20140213-32jqx.html#ixzz2tA5UZOrk
The worrying sign for Victoria is unemployment has jumped up to 6.4% and that's before the car manufacturing industry closes down :help.
By the way, Napthine's not singing from the Abbott and Hockey songbook by handing over a $22m package to save SPC. So we've now had the Federal Liberal Party say no and the State Liberal Party say yes. The Feds though will help Alan Joyce at Qantas ::).
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-premier-denis-napthine-coughs-up-22m-cash-en-ensure-spc-ardmona-stays-in-victoria/story-fni0fit3-1226826158045
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Not that the Libs GAF but this effects their Budget bottom line.
Not to mention the human cost involved which they really don't care about (the unemployed all vote Labor don't they?)
:banghead
Unemployment rate worst in 10 years
February 13, 2014 - 12:23PM
Glenda Kwek
Business Reporter
Australia's unemployment rate has reached its worst level in 10 years.
The jobless rate has shot up to 6 per cent, its highest level in more than a decade, as 3700 jobs were removed from the economy, official figures show.
There were 7100 full-time positions lost and 3400 part-time jobs added, the Bureau of Statistics data for January showed.
The participation rate, the percentage of people either in work or looking for work, remained stable at 64.5 per cent. December's participation rate was revised down to 64.5 per cent from 64.6 per cent.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/unemployment-rate-worst-in-10-years-20140213-32jqx.html#ixzz2tA5UZOrk
Lol. Our Labor Treasurer in August 2013 while handing down a mini budget that was required just 80 days after the formal budget:
Economic mess as debt soars, unemployment to hit 11-year high, revenue crashes and boats bill blows out by $1 billion
Economy:
* 2013/14 growth rate now 2.5 per cent v 2.75 per cent in May Budget
* Unemployment rate rising to 6.25 per cent by mid-2014
* Consumer Price Index 2.5 per cent this year, 2 per cent next year
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-features/economic-mess-as-debt-soars-unemployment-to-hit-11-year-high-revenue-crashes-and-boats-bill-blows-out-by-1-billion/story-fnho52jj-1226690446888 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-features/economic-mess-as-debt-soars-unemployment-to-hit-11-year-high-revenue-crashes-and-boats-bill-blows-out-by-1-billion/story-fnho52jj-1226690446888)
But yeah, like everything else, all Tony's fault. Just as well the adults are in charge and are fixing the mess made by Labor without histrionics or self-craving media attention. Yet again.
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What goes around comes around.
The company, the cash and the split Liberal Party
By ABC's Barrie Cassidy
Posted Fri 14 Feb 2014, 8:07am AEDT
When it comes to bailouts, Denis Napthine and Tony Abbott are caught in the war between economic rationalism and political pragmatism, writes Barrie Cassidy.
On the face of it, the Victorian Government's decision to bail out SPC Ardmona with a $22 million grant surely leaves the electorate confused about what fundamental beliefs underpin the Liberal Party.
How can the Liberal Party, at the federal level, insist that taxpayers' money should not be used to prop up unsustainable industries, while the same party at the state level makes a virtue of the practice?
Same party. Same company. Two very different philosophies. One undermining the other.
The difference in approach comes down to a clash between economic rationalism and political pragmatism. And how close you are to the problem.
The Abbott Government is now on a crusade to tackle the structural deficit. An important part of that strategy is to put an end to welfare dependency across the board, and business welfare is a part of that.
As difficult as it is for the Federal Government to reject the demands of struggling companies and accept the job losses that go with that, it is far more difficult for state governments at the coalface.
SPC Ardmona is a classic case in point.
The decision has shaken the Goulburn Valley and disturbed many Victorians. The same goes for Toyota's decision to leave Australia. Just substitute Shepparton for Melbourne's west.
So the Napthine Government has pledged $22 million "to transform and modernise" SPC Ardmona's operations. In return, according to the Premier, the company has pledged "to grow new markets and produce new products that better suit the modern lifestyle".
The Federal Government has lost some skin - and will probably lose even more in the short term - for trying to lay the blame for the some of the collapsing industries at the feet of the unions. The message has been exaggerated at best and not surprisingly, workers, as opposed to unions, have taken the criticisms of their pay and conditions personally.
But the Coalition now accepts that scare campaigns built around WorkChoices have made industrial reform almost impossible for governments.
Changes will have to take place from within.
To that end, the strategy is to place pressure on business everywhere to lead the way. The message is a simple one. Whether you're Qantas or Holden, don't come to us looking for help unless you are prepared to help yourselves. Do some of your own heavy lifting to reduce your overall costs.
That help won't run to subsidies any longer, but it can mean less regulation, tax breaks and an end to red and green tape.
We are about to see an example of that thinking as applied to Qantas. That company will demonstrate its industrial credentials and promise to do more. In return, the Government will try and free up some of the legislative restrictions holding it back.
And as part of the same strategy, the Government is trying to go over the heads of unions and persuade workers that at a time of growing anxiety about job security, they can do more to help themselves; essentially by eschewing some of the conditions that unions have imposed on employers.
It's a sophisticated if transparent strategy, and it can only work if the Government has the nerve to see it through longer term. And if it brings more consistency to the table.
The biggest fear for the Government must surely be that Bill Shorten and the Labor Opposition will be just as ruthless and just as shameless in prosecuting the case against the government on job losses as Tony Abbott was in prosecuting the case against Labor on the carbon tax.
At a time when all politicians were being marked down, Abbott appealed to the electorate to throw out the other lot; vote for anybody but that incompetent, big spending, high taxing rabble that runs the country.
Now Shorten is saying, vote for anybody but that cold-hearted, job-destroying mob on the other side.
Abbott introduced the disease. Now he'll need to find the antidote.
Barrie Cassidy is the presenter of ABC programs Insiders and Offsiders.
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How are the polls going for Labor?
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Speaking of labor if someone could make Nick Staikos disappear thstd be nice (like a Josef fristel. Victim
Pole sucking gimp
https://mobile.twitter.com/NStaikos
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.springstsource.info%2Fnick-staikos%2F&ei=g6ABU8WAAoTSkwWjh4GgDQ&usg=AFQjCNF0ycOEuRmp-gSYsOTjieq0lLKj7A&sig2=XEwyNl55nWLMLRzXyOrklg
:facepalm
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what a stupid article posted at top of page, fed and state have always had very different political agendas regardless of whether they are from the same party
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I wonder who will last as party leader longer, Abbot or Shorten
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Jobs, jobs, jobs.
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One term Tony. What a stuffing moron.
:lol
Government pushed SPC to slash wages in return for bailout, union officials say
Ben Schneiders and James Massola
The Abbott government pressed SPC Ardmona to slash pay for workers by as much as 40 per cent under a radical bailout plan for the food processor.
Three union officials told Fairfax Media they had meetings with SPC Ardmona managing director Peter Kelly before Christmas in which Mr Kelly said he was being pressured by the Abbott government to put workers on the award if the company wanted a $25 million subsidy.
Moving workers on to the award would have dramatically cut living standards for hundreds of people at the Shepparton plant, with pay cuts of $20,000 to $30,000 a year for many. Other sources involved in the restructure have separately confirmed to Fairfax Media the Abbott government's pay push at SPC Ardmona. Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane refused to directly answer questions on the issue.
The government has been pushing struggling companies such as Toyota and SPC Ardmona to overhaul their workplace agreements as it has repeatedly warned about high wages, which has become a key political issue. That is despite the wage price index growing at just 2.6 per cent last year, the slowest growth in the 16-year history of the series
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-pushed-spc-to-slash-wages-in-return-for-bailout-union-officials-say-20140219-3314e.html#ixzz2tmrsD4PQ
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Going by what I've read lately he probably wanted cuts to penalties. Touch them and I'll go stuffing berserk.
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Going by what I've read lately he probably wanted cuts to penalties. Touch them and I'll go stuffing berserk.
Did you vote for him?
Feel free to tell me get stuffed.
:lol
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No, I can't stand the prick :chuck.
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No money for Ford, Toyota, SPC etc but The Manly Sea Eagles get $10million.
Guess who is No One ticket holder of the Sea Eagles?
All this with a new WA Senate election looming
Tony Abbott Opposition leader bites Tony Abbott PM
February 15, 2014
Mike Carlton
'Any government which makes it harder to manufacture cars is making it harder for us to continue to be a first world economy because without cars, without steel, without aluminium, without cement, we don't have these manufacturers in Australia, we are not really a sophisticated economy any more.''
These thoughtful words, taken from the Liberal Party website, were uttered by none other than Tony Abbott after one of his fancy dress tours of the Ford production line at Geelong in 2011.
My, how things change. In his few short months in government, Abbott has seen off the entire Australian car making industry, with the loss of who knows how many tens of thousands of jobs and an even chance of plunging Victoria and South Australia into at least a local recession. There goes his sophisticated economy. It's a unique achievement, unmatched by any incoming government.
Given that the usual claque of chattering economists is now saying that this was inevitable - they'd all foreseen it years ago, etc, and no bad thing, blah blah - you'd think this is something Abbott might have touched on during the election campaign. But no, not a hint. You might also think that he and his Industry Minister, Ian ''Chainsaw'' Macfarlane, would have had some policy or plan in place for dealing with this tectonic shift.
No to that, too. They haven't a clue. As so often happens, the best the Prime Minister could do was to heap platitude upon banality. The Toyota workers would go ''from good jobs to better jobs'', he intoned glibly, as if that would fix everything. Chainsaw blathered on about creating ''a framework''.
When in doubt, blame the trade unions. This is a habit so deeply ingrained in the Liberal DNA that facts are irrelevant. Abbott first tried it on after the troubles at SPC Ardmona, making such extravagant claims about the supposedly feather bed working conditions at its factory in Shepparton that the local MP, Sharman Stone, one of his own backbenchers, publicly called him a liar. You don't see that happen a lot with prime ministers.
But with that Bourbon talent he has for learning nothing and forgetting nothing, Abbott was at it again when Toyota pulled the pin. Union intransigence had driven the company to the wall, a refrain taken up by Joe Hockey, who claimed Toyota executives had privately told him that very thing last year. That, too, fell in a heap when the company issued a statement to say that: ''Toyota Australia has never blamed the union for its decision to close its manufacturing operations by the end of 2017, neither publicly or in private discussions with any stakeholders.'' Oops.
Ah, but the age of entitlement is over, we're told. Unless you happen to be a needy football club, that is. During the election campaign, Abbott promised $5 million to the Brisbane Broncos - owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, no less - to ''kick-start the revitalisation'' of their ''sporting precinct at Red Hill''. The Manly Sea Eagles were offered $10 million to renovate Brookvale Oval, which just happens to be in Abbott's electorate of Warringah and where he's the number one ticket holder. We shall see if those juicy bits of pork-barrelling make it through the coming federal budget.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-opposition-leader-bites-tony-abbott-pm-20140214-32r1i.html#ixzz2tp3PumTk
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Another moron Liberal.
Medicare is funded by the taxpayers on a percentage of their salary. So the people who earn more already pay more.
This government is full of fools.
Medicare plans: Health Minister Peter Dutton flags overhaul, calls for discussion on GP co-payments
Health Minister Peter Dutton has flagged an overhaul of Medicare, suggesting Australians who can afford it should pay more for their healthcare.
Mr Dutton has used a major speech to declare he wants there to be a frank, fearless and far-reaching discussion about the health system.
He says the current system is unsustainable and he wants to "modernise and strengthen" Medicare.
He has told the ABC's 7.30 program there needs to be discussion around co-payments.
"Commonwealth and state governments contribute 92 cents in the dollar for those treated in the public system," he said.
"Therefore, one important job of the Abbott Government is to grow the opportunity for those Australians who can afford to do so to contribute to their own healthcare costs.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/peter-dutton-flags-medicare-overhaul/5270940
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Not sure it needs it's own thread :-\
Couldn't it have just been added to the politics thread ;D
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Merge away, mon capitaine
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As much as my old mate 65 is somewhat of a :bow political train wreck, I think it deserves its own thread.
Health care is an important issue.
What was Abbott's statement prior to or during the election campaign?
"I give my IRON CLAD guarantee that the Medicare system will not be altered"?
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Marginal seats
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Will last longer than Shorten
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Whack!
Convention goes out the window in tit-for-tat politics
February 26, 2014
Ross Gittins
The Sydney Morning Herald's Economics Editor
We are witnessing history being made. Unfortunately, it is a history-making decline in standards of political behaviour. At least it proves we are not merely imagining that things were better in the old days.
Tempting though it is, one of the things incoming governments don't do is delve into the affairs of their predecessor. The papers of the old government are not made available to the new masters.
But all that is out the window with the Abbott government's decision to establish a royal commission into the Rudd government's handling of the home insulation program and provide it with Labor's cabinet documents.
It takes innocence greater than I can muster to believe the motive for the inquiry is to bring justice to the program's victims rather than to embarrass the Coalition's political opponents by raking over one of their more celebrated stuff-ups.
Labor can take its lumps. The real pity is that a long-standing convention seeking to limit political vindictiveness has been cast aside, possibly forever.
One thing we can be sure of is that when next Labor returns to power, it will lose no time in retaliating, as will that government's eventual Coalition successor. Advantage-seeking retaliation will become a bigger part of the political debate.
The man who set new lows in negativity and obstructionism while in opposition is now taking us to new lows in government. In a more godly world, Labor would resist the temptation to sink to the level of misbehaviour set by its opponents, thus giving substance to its repeated claims of moral superiority.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/convention-goes-out-the-window-in-titfortat-politics-20140225-33fjx.html#ixzz2uNOE9o6M
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shouldnt you be in class teaching your future little dole bludgers how to stay on long term unemployment benefits without been kicked off? ;D
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Inb4 Dwaino Jobs Jobs Jobs
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shouldnt you be in class teaching your future little dole bludgers how to stay on long term unemployment benefits without been kicked off? ;D
No longer teaching
:cheers
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but are you still being paid to do so?
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but are you still being paid to do so?
Not for long, about to retire.
:thumbsup
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Inb4 Dwaino Jobs Jobs Jobs
;D
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Wp
Is the Australian whistle blower in regards to PNG
also a traitor? Like you believed snow den is?
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What whistleblower?
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Wp
Is the Australian whistle blower in regards to PNG
also a traitor? Like you believed snow den is?
What an excellent question.
:lol
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Mine or Bents? What whistleblower?
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Mine or Bents? What whistleblower?
Given that I included Bents question in my reply...
:cheers
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Mine or Bents? What whistleblower?
Given that I included Bents question in my reply...
:cheers
And I would like (but don't insist on) a reply from WP.
:cheers
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Mine or Bents? What whistleblower?
Given that I included Bents question in my reply...
:cheers
? ? ? Again, what whistleblower?
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Mine or Bents? What whistleblower?
Given that I included Bents question in my reply...
:cheers
And I would like (but don't insist on) a reply from WP.
:cheers
You may like a reply but you wont get one because ....
TBBH I haven't a clue what Bent's is talking about, so what exactly am I suppos to be replying to?
As per Smokey - what Whistleblower?
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Ms Thompson accused the Immigration Department of deceiving the detainees and said the system - which she branded ''a farce'' - was designed to force them to give up and return to their home countries.
''We were taking them through a process that goes nowhere,'' she said. ''There is no visa for them to get. There's no legislation governing their resettlement.
''Manus Island is an experiment in the ultimate logic of deterrence, designed to frustrate the hell out of people and terrify them so that they go home. Your two options are indefinitely detention or to return to the country where you fear persecution.''
She said asylum seekers had demanded answers from a senior PNG immigration official at a tense meeting on the Sunday afternoon before the Monday night violence. He had been ''honest with the guys about the fact that there is no process on PNG for their resettlement''.
Her claim is consistent with the account on the Sunday meeting given to Fairfax Media by whistleblower interpreter Azita Bokan and another employee at the centre.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/riot-flared-as-manus-island-refugees-realised-lies-were-told-20140225-33ft3.html#ixzz2uTjmKDYO
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Ms Thompson accused the Immigration Department of deceiving the detainees and said the system - which she branded ''a farce'' - was designed to force them to give up and return to their home countries.
''We were taking them through a process that goes nowhere,'' she said. ''There is no visa for them to get. There's no legislation governing their resettlement.
''Manus Island is an experiment in the ultimate logic of deterrence, designed to frustrate the hell out of people and terrify them so that they go home. Your two options are indefinitely detention or to return to the country where you fear persecution.''
She said asylum seekers had demanded answers from a senior PNG immigration official at a tense meeting on the Sunday afternoon before the Monday night violence. He had been ''honest with the guys about the fact that there is no process on PNG for their resettlement''.
Her claim is consistent with the account on the Sunday meeting given to Fairfax Media by whistleblower interpreter Azita Bokan and another employee at the centre.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/riot-flared-as-manus-island-refugees-realised-lies-were-told-20140225-33ft3.html#ixzz2uTjmKDYO
Just read the article
So who are you & Bents referring to?
The article refers to the "whistleblower" as Azita Bokan (BTW are they an Australian citizen because Bent's referred to "the Australian" :huh) and I have no idea what they have supposedly blown the whistle on
Or are you both referring to Ms Thompson who is quoted throughout the article but isn't reffered to as the "whistleblower"
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I am confused.
It's a odd enough thread anyway with '65s vitriolic hate and throw Bents into the mix and I don't know what you get
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Are you a lawyer?
You know exactly what we mean?
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Are you a lawyer?
You know exactly what we mean?
No I'm not a lawyer :wallywink
And no I don't know what you mean >:(
Bents asked a question that at the time made no sense at all
You jumped in and said you wanted to know my answer as well and then you supplied a link to an article that quotes one person and then names another as a "whistleblower"
I am trying to work which person Bents was referring to in his orignal question.
I haven't read any Fairfax article that has quotes from the person Azita Bokan so I don't know what they said let alone if they are an Australian which forms part of the basis of the original question asked by Bents.
That's why I am asking
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Certainly sound like a lawyer
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LMAO
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:lol
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Ms Thompson accused the Immigration Department of deceiving the detainees and said the system - which she branded ''a farce'' - was designed to force them to give up and return to their home countries.
''We were taking them through a process that goes nowhere,'' she said. ''There is no visa for them to get. There's no legislation governing their resettlement.
''Manus Island is an experiment in the ultimate logic of deterrence, designed to frustrate the hell out of people and terrify them so that they go home. Your two options are indefinitely detention or to return to the country where you fear persecution.''
She said asylum seekers had demanded answers from a senior PNG immigration official at a tense meeting on the Sunday afternoon before the Monday night violence. He had been ''honest with the guys about the fact that there is no process on PNG for their resettlement''.
Her claim is consistent with the account on the Sunday meeting given to Fairfax Media by whistleblower interpreter Azita Bokan and another employee at the centre.
Lol. She wasn't a whistleblower. She was a employed by the Immigration Dept as an interpreter and was a supposed 'witness' who was interviewed on the ABC later in the week and then quoted in the press. And this reliable 'witness' as it turned out didn't even witness the riot but later admitted she was just in the vicinity. She only spent a week on Manus Island and at no stage actually saw any of the riot, but she was only in the vicinity of some of the injured people afterwards. A riot at a detention centre built by Rudd under a security arrangement implemented by Rudd employing staff hired by Rudd in an effort to stop boats lured by Rudd. One death in a camp built by Labor, staffed by Labor under an arrangement orchestrated by Labor is worth the moral high ground but the 1200 lured to their death by the Labor government's flawed inhumane policy isn't. But yeah, let's blame Abbott again - a defence that is getting less fashionable and more pathetic by the day. Hypocrites.
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Lol. She wasn't a whistleblower. She was a employed by the Immigration Dept as an interpreter and was a supposed 'witness' who was interviewed on the ABC later in the week and then quoted in the press. And this reliable 'witness' as it turned out didn't even witness the riot but later admitted she was just in the vicinity. She only spent a week on Manus Island and at no stage actually saw any of the riot, but she was only in the vicinity of some of the injured people afterwards. A riot at a detention centre built by Rudd under a security arrangement implemented by Rudd employing staff hired by Rudd in an effort to stop boats lured by Rudd. One death in a camp built by Labor, staffed by Labor under an arrangement orchestrated by Labor is worth the moral high ground but the 1200 lured to their death by the Labor government's flawed inhumane policy isn't. But yeah, let's blame Abbott again - a defence that is getting less fashionable and more pathetic by the day. Hypocrites.
I just wonder how long the Libs can blame Labor for their mistakes.
Tony even defended Fiona Nash by saying that she isn't as bad as Craig Thomson.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/at-least-were-not-as-bad-as-thommo-tony-abbotts-defence-in-fiona-nash-affair-20140226-33hjl.html
Expect the voters will start to whack this government and one term Tony.
:cheers
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I just wonder how long the Libs can blame Labor for their mistakes.
Thats actually a fair question and you do see govts of all persuasion continue to blame the previous govt for things going wrong well into their term of govt.
But in terms of Manus Island, Smokey is dead right. The whole fiasco lies at the feet of the labor govt. No ifs, no buts.
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Tony even defended Fiona Nash by saying that she isn't as bad as Craig Thomson.
Really?
If that's how you deciphered his actual quote then maybe you need to sit at the other end of the classroom:
''I'd ask you to compare the way this government has dealt with this with the way the former government dealt with the scandal involving the former member for Dobell who was, let's face it, protected for three years.''
He never compared the people at all but he did compare the way the government handled the episode compared to the disgraceful and scandalous way the previous government protected a minister who stole from his union members for his own carnal pleasure, just to save their majority. No morals, no ethics, protecting criminals for their own purposes and in direct conflict with the best interests of the country they were in position to govern. But you keep clutching '65, the straws are getting thinner and less conspicuous by the day now that there is a government in place that is getting on with the job of governing and fixing the monumental f-ups, and not trying to govern by populist media.
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Just noticed this snippet from the article. There's that woman again.
:lol
"Later, the Prime Minister got distracted too. While giving a press conference on drought relief, he was asked about the Nash issue. Mr Abbott said that in such cases, ''everyone hyperventilates about who said what to whom and when and who knew what and when''.
But really, this was a ''fairly minor case'' and Senator Nash's actions were ''eminently justifiable''.
By whom, he did not say. He said he personally had had no conversation with the Minister about her resigning (which doesn't mean his chief-of-staff Peta Credlin didn't).
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/at-least-were-not-as-bad-as-thommo-tony-abbotts-defence-in-fiona-nash-affair-20140226-33hjl.html#ixzz2uZp3QbuW
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Tony even defended Fiona Nash by saying that she isn't as bad as Craig Thomson.
Really?
If that's how you deciphered his actual quote then maybe you need to sit at the other end of the classroom:
That was the heading on the article.
I hope you are not suggesting a sub-editor made it up are you?
:lol
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Are you suggesting that a heading on an opinion article in print media is a true reflection and representation of the contents within?
Keep on punchin'
:rollin
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Are you suggesting that a heading on an opinion article in print media is a true reflection and representation of the contents within?
Keep on punchin'
:rollin
I was joking you poor sad little Abbott-lover
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:bow ;D
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Expect Hockey to challenge before the next election.
Abbott denies rift with Joe Hockey over Qantas bailout
March 1, 2014
Tony Abbott has denied a rift with Joe Hockey over Qantas, despite expressly ruling out a debt guarantee after the Treasurer signalled it was justified.
It came as Labor offered talks on the foreign ownership stalemate, hinting it was prepared to discuss some changes to the Qantas Sale Act, short of allowing majority foreign ownership.
Effectively overruling Mr Hockey, Mr Abbott told Parliament on Thursday he would not agree to special treatment for one company at the expense of others. He said if one player received government help, the same assistance should apply to others in that sector.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-denies-rift-with-joe-hockey-over-qantas-bailout-20140228-33rbx.html#ixzz2ue54FRKm
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More tension between Abbott and Hockey.
Tony Abbott locks horns with Joe Hockey over Qantas debt guarantee
March 3, 2014 - 2:48PM
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter
Tony Abbott is heading into Monday afternoon's cabinet meeting determined to frustrate Qantas management's hopes for a government-backed debt guarantee.
While Treasurer Joe Hockey has spent the past few weeks indicating he would consider guaranteeing Qantas' debt, the Prime Minister appears to have hardened his views against that course of action.
Asked on Monday whether the idea of a debt guarantee was off the table entirely, Mr Abbott replied: "If you do something for one, in fairness you've got to do it for all.
"This is a government which is not in the business of favouring one company over another."
Following Qantas confirming last Thursday it would cut 5000 jobs, Virgin reported a $84 million first-half loss – from a $23 million profit in the prior half – as it competes fiercely on price with Qantas and Jetstar in the domestic market.
In his press conference on Monday, the Prime Minister praised Virgin Australia CEO John Borghetti, who has protested loudly against the federal government giving any aid to his competitor, Qantas.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-locks-horns-with-joe-hockey-over-qantas-debt-guarantee-20140303-33ymu.html#ixzz2usN3vNyx
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http://imgur.com/hlHyM7v
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Great to have the Cold War back, was always just a matter of time.... and it's all happening on the Socialist Black Muslim's watch.
Almost inclined to insert geigh clapping & bow down emoticons here.....almost.
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Barack just another puppet of the one party system...
http://www.salon.com/2013/11/06/chomsky_america_has_become_a_one_party_rogue_state/
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Expect a Hockey Turnbull alliance to topple Abbott.
Malcolm Turnbull not 'minister for right-wing communications'
March 3, 2014 - 7:38PM
Matthew Knott
Communications and education correspondent
Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has taken aim at conservative critics in his own party and the media, telling Parliament he is not "the minister for right-wing communications."
Mr Turnbull has been criticised by conservative commentators, and some Liberal MPs, for appearing to criticise News Corporation chairman Rupert Murdoch and his publications in a Friday speech launching The Saturday Paper newspaper in Sydney. The Saturday Paper is being published by progressive property developer Morry Schwartz, who also publishes The Monthly.
Mr Turnbull, a moderate, has previously angered conservative colleagues by voicing support for carbon pricing and same-sex marriage.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-not-minister-for-rightwing-communications-20140303-340ei.html#ixzz2uvdYLG5n
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Word is by those in the know is that Shorten won't see out 2014 :shh
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Word is by those in the know is that Shorten won't see out 2014 :shh
:lol
Difference between this and my posts is that I'm guessing and you're making poo up.
:cheers
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Shorten isnt much of a parliamentary performer. Trys too hard. Labor has had no one since Paul Keating. At least Keating knew how to deliver a spray ;D
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Word is by those in the know is that Shorten won't see out 2014 :shh
:lol
Difference between this and my posts is that I'm guessing and you're making poo up.
:cheers
:lol
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Word is by those in the know is that Shorten won't see out 2014 :shh
:lol
Difference between this and my posts is that I'm guessing and you're making poo up.
:cheers
:lol
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Infomationclearinghouse.com
The Coup in Ukraine: Obama’s Dumbest Plan Yet
By Mike Whitney
“Washington and Brussels … used a Nazi coup, carried out by insurgents, terrorists and politicians of Euromaidan to serve the geopolitical interests of the West.” — Natalia Vitrenko, The Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine
February 28, 2014 "Information Clearing House - "Counterpunch" - The United States helped defeat Nazism in World War 2. Obama helped bring it back.
As you probably know by now, Obama and Co. have ousted Ukraine’s democratically-elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, with the help of ultra-right, paramilitary, neo-Nazi gangs who seized and burned government offices, killed riot police, and spread mayhem and terror across the country. These are America’s new allies in the Great Game, the grand plan to “pivot to Asia” by pushing further eastward, toppling peaceful governments, securing vital pipeline corridors, accessing scarce oil and natural gas reserves and dismantling the Russian Federation consistent with the strategy proposed by geopolitical mastermind, Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski’s magnum opus–”The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and it’s Geostrategic Imperatives” has become the Mein Kampf for aspiring western imperialists. It provides the basic blueprint for establishing US military-political-economic hegemony in the century’s most promising and prosperous region, Asia. In an article in Foreign Affairs Brzezinski laid out his ideas about neutralizing Russia by splitting the country into smaller parts, thus, allowing the US to maintain its dominant role in the region without threat of challenge or interference. Here’s an excerpt from the article:
“Given (Russia’s) size and diversity, a decentralized political system and free-market economics would be most likely to unleash the creative potential of the Russian people and Russia’s vast natural resources. A loosely confederated Russia — composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic — would also find it easier to cultivate closer economic relations with its neighbors. Each of the confederated entitles would be able to tap its local creative potential, stifled for centuries by Moscow’s heavy bureaucratic hand. In turn, a decentralized Russia would be less susceptible to imperial mobilization.” (Zbigniew Brzezinski,“A Geostrategy for Eurasia”)
Moscow is keenly aware of Washington’s divide and conquer strategy, but has downplayed the issue in order to avoid a confrontation. The US-backed coup in Ukraine means that that option is no longer feasible. Russia will have to respond to a provocation that threatens both its security and vital interests. Early reports suggest that Putin has already mobilized troops to the East and –according to Reuters “put fighter jets along its western borders on combat alert.” Here’s more from Reuters:
“The United States says any Russian military action would be a grave mistake. But Russia’s foreign ministry said in a statement that Moscow would defend the rights of its compatriots and react without compromise to any violation of those rights.” (Reuters)
There’s going to be a confrontation, it’s just a matter of whether the fighting will escalate or not.
In order to topple Yanukovych, the US had to tacitly support fanatical groups of neo-Nazi thugs and anti-Semites. And, even though “Interim Ukrainian President Oleksander Tuchynov has pledged to do everything in his power to protect the country’s Jewish community”; reports on the ground are not so encouraging. Here’s an excerpt from a statement by Natalia Vitrenko, of The Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine that suggests the situation is much worse than what is being reported in the news:
“Across the country… People are being beaten and stoned, while undesirable members of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine are subject to mass intimidation and local officials see their families and children targeted by death threats if they do not support the installation of this new political power. The new Ukrainian authorities are massively burning the offices of political parties they do not like, and have publicly announced the threat of criminal prosecution and prohibition of political parties and public organizations that do not share the ideology and goals of the new regime.” (“USA and EU Are Erecting a Nazi Regime on Ukrainian Territory”, Natalia Vitrenko)
Earlier in the week, Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that a Ukranian synagogue had been firebombed although the “Molotov cocktails struck the synagogue’s exterior stone walls and caused little damage”.
Another article in Haaretz referred to recent developments as “the new dilemma for Jews in Ukraine”. Here’s an excerpt from the article:
“The greatest worry now is not the uptick in anti-Semitic incidents but the major presence of ultra-nationalist movements, especially the prominence of the Svoboda party and Pravy Sektor (right sector) members among the demonstrators. Many of them are calling their political opponents “Zhids” and flying flags with neo-Nazi symbols. There have also been reports, from reliable sources, of these movements distributing freshly translated editions of Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Independence Square.” (“Anti-Semitism, though a real threat, is being used by the Kremlin as a political football”, Haaretz)
Then there’s this, from Dr. Inna Rogatchi in Arutz Sheva:
“There is no secret concerning the real political agenda and programs of ultra-nationalist parties in Ukraine – there is nothing close to European values and goals there. One just should open existing documents and hear what the representatives of those parties proclaim daily. They are sharply anti-European, and highly racist. They have nothing to do with the values and practices of the civilized world…
Ukrainian Jewry is facing a real and serious threat….To empower the openly neo-Nazi movements in Europe by ignoring the threat they pose is an utterly risky business. People should not have to pay a terrible price – again – for the meekness and indifference of their leaders. As Ukraine today has become the tragic show-case for all of Europe with regards to breeding and allowing race-hatred to become a violent and uncontrollable force, it is impertive to handle the situation there in accordance with existing international law and norms of civilization.” (“Tea With Neo-Nazis: The Violent Nationalism in Ukraine“, Arutz Sheva)
Here’s a little more background on the topic by progressive analyst Stephen Lendmen from a February 25 post titled “New York Times: Supporting US Imperial Lawlessness”:
“Washington openly backs fascist Svoboda party leader Oleh Tyahnybok…In 2004, Tyahnybok was expelled from former President Viktor Yushchenko’s parliamentary faction. He was condemned for urging Ukrainians to fight against a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.”
In 2005, he denounced “criminal activities” of “organized Jewry.” He outrageously claimed they plan “genocide” against Ukrainians.”…
Tyahnybok extremism didn’t deter Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland. On February 6, she met openly with him and other anti-government leaders.
In early January, 15,000 ultranationalists held a torchlight march through Kiev. They did so to honor Nazi-era collaborator/mass murderer Stepan Bandera. Some wore uniforms a Wehrmacht Ukrainian division used in WW II. Others chanted “Ukraine above all” and “Bandera, come and bring order.” (Steve Lendman blog)
Of course, the US media has downplayed the fascistic-neo-Nazi “ethnic purity” element of the Ukrainian coup in order to focus on– what they think — are more “positive themes”, like the knocking down of statues of Lenin or banning Communist party members from participating in Parliament. As far as the media is concerned, these are all signs of progress.
Ukraine is gradually succumbing to the loving embrace of the New World Order where it will serve as another profit-generating cog in Wall Street’s wheel. That’s the theory, at least. It hasn’t occurred to the boneheads at the New York Times or Washington Post that Ukraine is rapidly descending into Mad Max-type anarchy which could spill over its borders into neighboring countries triggering violent conflagrations, social upheaval, regional instability or–god-help-us– WW3. The MSM sees nothing but silver linings as if everything was going according to plan. All of Eurasia, the Middle East and beyond are being pacified and integrated into one world government overseen by the unitary executive who defers to no one but the corporations and financial institutions who control the levers of power behind imperial shoji-screen. What could go wrong?
Naturally, Russia is worried about developments in Ukraine, but is unsure how to react. Here’s how Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev summed it up the other day:
“We do not understand what is going on there. A real threat to our interests (exists) and to the lives and health of our citizens. Strictly speaking, today there is no one there to communicate with … If you think that people in black masks waving Kalashnikovs (represent) a government, then it will be difficult for us to work with such a government.”
Clearly, Moscow is confused and worried. No one expects the world’s only superpower to behave this irrationally, to hop-scotch across the planet creating one failed state after another, fomenting revolt, breeding hatred, and spreading misery wherever it goes. At present, the Obama team is operating at full-throttle trying to topple regimes in Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine, and god-knows where else. At the same time, failed operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have left all three countries in dire straights, ruled by regional warlords and armed militias. Medvedev has every right to be concerned.
Who wouldn’t be? The US has gone off the rails, stark raving mad. The architecture for global security has collapsed while the basic principals of international law have been jettisoned. The rampaging US juggernaut lurches from one violent confrontation to the next without rhyme or reason, destroying everything in its path, forcing millions to flee their own countries, and pushing the world closer to the abyss. Isn’t that reason enough to be concerned?
Now Obama has thrown-in with the Nazis. It’s just the icing on the cake.
Check out this blurb from Max Blumenthal’s latest titled “Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine?”:
“Right Sector is a shadowy syndicate of self-described ‘autonomous nationalists’ identified by their skinhead style of dress, ascetic lifestyle, and fascination with street violence. Armed with riot shields and clubs, the group’s cadres have manned the front lines of the Euromaidan battles this month, filling the air with their signature chant: ‘Ukraine above all!’ In a recent Right Sector propaganda video the group promised to fight ‘against degeneration and totalitarian liberalism, for traditional national morality and family values.’
With Svoboda linked to a constellation of international neo-fascist parties through the Alliance of European National Movements, Right Sector is promising to lead its army of aimless, disillusioned young men on “a great European Reconquest.” (“Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine?—Exposing troubling ties in the U.S. to overt Nazi and fascist protesters in Ukraine“, Max Blumenthal, AlterNet)
“Family values”? Where have we heard that before?
It’s clear, that Obama and his brainiac advisors think they have a handle on this thing and can train this den of vipers to click their heels and follow Washington’s directives, but it sounds like a bad bet to me. These are hard-core, died-in-the-wool, Nazi-extremists. They won’t be bought-off, co-opted or intimidated. They have an agenda and they aim to pursue that agenda to their last, dying breath.
Of all the dumb plans Washington has come up with in the couple years, this is the dumbest
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One term tony has just ensured the Greens future as a Political Party.
No more national parks as Tony Abbott pledges to support loggers as the 'ultimate conservationists'
March 5, 2014 - 10:56AM
Matthew Knott
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said he will not support the creation of any more national parks in a speech lauding timber workers as "the ultimate conservationists".
Mr Abbott also told a timber industry dinner on Tuesday night that he would create a new Forestry Advisory Council to support the industry.
The council will be co-chaired by Rob de Fegely, President of the Institute of Foresters Australia. Mr de Fegely is the former Liberal Party election candidate for the seat of Eden Monaro.
''We don't support, as a government and as a Coalition, further lockouts of our forests,'' Mr Abbott said. ''We have quite enough National Parks, we have quite enough locked up forests already. In fact, in an important respect, we have too much locked up forest.''
Mr Abbott said the federal government was pushing to delist a world heritage listing of 74,000 hectares of forest in Tasmania. Mr Abbott said the area – which was protected under Tasmania's forest peace deal – was not pristine forest and was too degraded to be considered a sanctuary.
Tasmanians go to the polls on March 15 with jobs and the forestry industry big issues as Labor struggles to hold onto government.
''I don't buy the Green ideology, which has done so much damage to our country over the last couple of decades and I'm pleased to see that there are some sensible Labor Party people who don't buy it either,'' Mr Abbott said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-more-national-parks-as-tony-abbott-pledges-to-support-loggers-as-the-ultimate-conservationists-20140305-345zp.html#ixzz2v2osk5w8
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What a moron .
Give Putin a ring tony tell him hrbis naughty you flog.
Edited for use of the "C" word and avoiding the swear filter :banghead
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Mr Abbott said the federal government was pushing to delist a world heritage listing of 74,000 hectares of forest in Tasmania. Mr Abbott said the area – which was protected under Tasmania's forest peace deal – was not pristine forest and was too degraded to be considered a sanctuary.
Not only is Tony a climatologist and god's gift to women, but now he is also a well learned horticulturist and aborist. :cheers
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With three state elections and a WA Senate election looming this is what the Libs are trying to keep quiet.
Workers under microscope: Abbott government to scrutinise pay, penalties, conditions
March 7, 2014
James Massola
Political correspondent
A new review into Australia's workplace laws will take into consideration the number of working days lost to strike action.
The federal government's sweeping review of Australia's workplace laws will put penalty rates, pay and conditions, union militancy and flexibility under the microscope.
The inquiry means that all the elements of WorkChoices that people hated are back on the table, including individual contracts.
A leaked draft of the terms of reference for the Productivity Commission inquiry into the Fair Work Act, obtained by Fairfax Media, reveals the inquiry will examine the act's impact on unemployment and under-employment, productivity, business investment and the ability of the labour market to respond to changing economic conditions.
The number of working days lost to strike action, pressures on small business, employers' flexibility to bargain with their employees on issues like working hours and the impact of red tape on business will be considered.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/workers-under-microscope-abbott-government-to-scrutinise-pay-penalties-conditions-20140306-34aau.html#ixzz2vDfNAE9e
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Penalty rates are under threat.
This will mean a pay decrease for some of our lowest paid workers while small business profits rise.
Coalition MPs plot to strip workers' weekend and holiday penalty rates
March 8, 2014
Jonathan Swan, Anna Patty and James Massola
Tony Abbott is under pressure from his backbench to do something about ''job killing'' weekend and holiday penalty rates, with 10 Coalition MPs telling Fairfax Media the controversial issue could not be ignored.
But the cabinet, which in private still talks bitterly about the damage caused by the Howard government's WorkChoices policy, is determined to keep its pre-election promise not to touch penalty rates in its first term.
Hoping to placate fears that he wanted the Productivity Commission to review penalties - following a report by Fairfax Media on a leaked government document - Employment Minister Eric Abetz said the Coalition had no immediate plans.
''I can confirm that in absolutely no iteration of the terms of reference has the issue of penalty rates or union militancy been mentioned,'' Mr Abetz said.
But the Employment Minister went on to concede that the terms of reference for the Productivity Commission's review of workplace laws were deliberately broad enough to cover ''a full and thorough analysis of all aspects of the Fair Work Act''. And the draft terms of reference explicitly mention ''pay and conditions'' and ''industrial conflict'' - which is widely understood to include penalty rates and union militancy.
But by leaving penalty rates for the independent umpire - who may decide to leave current rates in place - Mr Abetz and Mr Abbott could face a protest from their backbench MPs.
Several Liberal MPs, particularly those who represent electorates with large numbers of tourism and hospitality businesses, believe small businesses need to be ''liberated'' from having to pay higher weekend and holiday rates, which can lead to businesses deciding not to open on certain days or to employ fewer staff.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-mps-plot-to-strip-workers-weekend-and-holiday-penalty-rates-20140307-34cw8.html#ixzz2vJ9XKOzg
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What a moron .
Give Putin a ring tony tell him hrbis naughty you flog.
Edited for use of the "C" word and avoiding the swear filter :banghead
come on WP, give him a brake
(dont ban me again :) )
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Penalty rates are under threat.
This will mean a pay decrease for some of our lowest paid workers while small business profits rise.
Coalition MPs plot to strip workers' weekend and holiday penalty rates
March 8, 2014
Jonathan Swan, Anna Patty and James Massola
Tony Abbott is under pressure from his backbench to do something about ''job killing'' weekend and holiday penalty rates, with 10 Coalition MPs telling Fairfax Media the controversial issue could not be ignored.
But the cabinet, which in private still talks bitterly about the damage caused by the Howard government's WorkChoices policy, is determined to keep its pre-election promise not to touch penalty rates in its first term.
Hoping to placate fears that he wanted the Productivity Commission to review penalties - following a report by Fairfax Media on a leaked government document - Employment Minister Eric Abetz said the Coalition had no immediate plans.
''I can confirm that in absolutely no iteration of the terms of reference has the issue of penalty rates or union militancy been mentioned,'' Mr Abetz said.
But the Employment Minister went on to concede that the terms of reference for the Productivity Commission's review of workplace laws were deliberately broad enough to cover ''a full and thorough analysis of all aspects of the Fair Work Act''. And the draft terms of reference explicitly mention ''pay and conditions'' and ''industrial conflict'' - which is widely understood to include penalty rates and union militancy.
But by leaving penalty rates for the independent umpire - who may decide to leave current rates in place - Mr Abetz and Mr Abbott could face a protest from their backbench MPs.
Several Liberal MPs, particularly those who represent electorates with large numbers of tourism and hospitality businesses, believe small businesses need to be ''liberated'' from having to pay higher weekend and holiday rates, which can lead to businesses deciding not to open on certain days or to employ fewer staff.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-mps-plot-to-strip-workers-weekend-and-holiday-penalty-rates-20140307-34cw8.html#ixzz2vJ9XKOzg
A problem with this is those that advocate across the board wage cuts ignore the high cost of living in Australia and the consequences of workers, as consumers themselves, having less money to spend which in turn hurts businesses such as retail and hospitality and the economy overall.
The difference, compared to other countries, is Australia doesn't have a tipping culture. If you work in hospitality at a place where the customers regularly tip then you can make up a fair bit of income in tips. However, most of us Aussies as customers don't see the point of paying more than the menu price for something.
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I suppose we can just sit back and see more businesses go bankrupt.
It's a balancing act and I think Australia tips to much to the industrial relations side
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Yeah right
Approximately 12900 Jobs will be cut in the next 2 years with Qantas, Holden, Toyota, Ford and Alcoa to close.
All on one-term Tony's watch.
And what has he done since taking office?
Nothing
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In principle I don't have issue with penalty rates being looked at but I think this needs to be done in conjunction with business welfare being looked at also.
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In this debate, the group of people the finger is being pointed at are those in hospitality and retail.
from 2012 average wages( which are not normally a good indication, but when broken down by sector the spread wont be so bad so as to distort like when all wages are put together.
Accommodation, Cafes and Restaurants $49,982
Retail Trade $50,944
Other Services $58,183
Manufacturing $62,504
while at the other end
Information Media and Telecommunications $84,656
Electricity, Gas, Water and Waste Services $84,750
Financial and Insurance Services $84,947
Professional, Scientific and Technical Services $88,603
Mining $121,586
So in typical tea party style, lets attack the wages and conditions of those that can least afford it.
After essential items, like housing, utilities, health and food these people dont have a lot of money to put into the economy, so unless your business is in these essential commodities, which by and large is dominated by large business, cutting the disposable income of these people will hurt your business, not help it.
The pressure put on manufacturing wages is largely from the mining boom and employers having to raise wages to try and keep skilled workers, but again tea party policies have governments bending over backwards to accommodate multinational mining companies raping our natural resources, while distributing a large portion of wages to a select few, which again does not help most small to medium business, but hurts it.
yeah, lets screw the little man, those greedy people who get a little extra compensation to their meager wages for having to work rather than spend leisure time with their family.
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Yeah right
Approximately 12900 Jobs will be cut in the next 2 years with Qantas, Holden, Toyota, Ford and Alcoa to close.
All on one-term Tony's watch.
And what has he done since taking office?
Nothing
To be fair on tony
He took five billion dollars away from starving Africans son they shall did thanks tony
And hr is cutting down the worlds oldest trees
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From what we read in the papers and in the media in general there appears to be substantial rorting of the welfare system.
However my issue is with middle class welfare .Do they really need welfare?Did we need the baby bonus or the first home buyers grant(where all that does is make builders and developers increase the price).Do we need the paid parental leave on such a scale?
And I had a chuckle at Gina reinharts comments about welfare ,when at the same time shes calling for a special economic zone in the north ,just sheer co incidence that she has business interests in that region
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an interesting issue you raise about things like the first home buyers grant. there are many that argue, as you say, that it just pushes the prices of housing up.
the old principle of supply and demand suggests that it does.
but what are the effects of just dropping it? house building is great indicator, and most probably an important factor, of how the economy is traveling.
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Honestly Al..i don't know the answers to the questions you raise,what I do know is that when people spruik that welfare costs are expanding way too much,they are correct,however there are 2 sides to every coin and that business welfare and or middle class welfare also needs to be addressed if we are to have this discussion
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i suppose the first question is are welfare costs really expanding to that great of an extent? and if so why?
To be honest Im not to sure that there is much business welfare, and even the middle class welfare is not so cut and dried.
My thoughts tend to be against it, but this discussion has been held before and there have been some good arguments for it put forward.
The real issue is not so much the cost in dollars, but the effect it has in stimulating spending, which after all is the basis of a sound economy.
You could also throw in the political ideology of how much the government should be involved in stimulating economic growth.
Weather its simply the scale of our economy or it is a general thing i dont know, but i do believe that government spending is vital to the Australian economy, something highlighted by the fact that, except for under the Howard government, nearly every time the government, of whatever persuasion, recorded a budget surplus, we slipped into recession soon after.
The howard government avoided this due to them being the highest taxing governement in our history, thanks to the GST, and record private sector debt driving not just ours, but the world economy.
And when this huge public sector debt eventually caused economies to collapse around the world, it was government spending, in the stimulus package, that helped us avoid a recession. we did go close, but those quarters of negative growth were only small negatives and we avoided the pain than many other countries felt.
Does paying someone who earns 150k a substantial paternal leave handout really do much to add stimulus to spending? unlikely.
But those on 50-60k? yeah it probably does. It also enables more people to breed, which our pyramid scheme, growth based economy needs in the long term.
Should we be spending so much money on a Disability scheme.?
I suppose that comes down to whether you believe in the dog eat dog nature of capitalism and screw anyone unlucky enough to be unable to compete,that we are all individuals competing against each other and the concept of society is dirt, or weather you believe that as a society we collectively should look after the vulnerable.
And then there is the unemployed, the dole bludgers. the easy target of right wing media to use to whip the lowest common denominator into a feeding frenzy. The real irony is that many want to label welfare as some sort of socialist drain on our resources, yet most truly socialist countries do not (or did not) have such schemes. if you wanted bread on the table you worked for it. if you got inured and couldn't do your job anymore, you were given a different job that you could do.
Stuff me, that turned out longer than i planned.
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AL do you classify the disability scheme as middle class welfare?I certainly don't.
This type of government activity I'm in favour of as it targets areas in a society which are desperate for help
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nah, i dont class it as middle class welfare. it is welfare though, and will contribute largely to welfare cost expanding.
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WGAF
Ban welfare ffs
Give money to those that need it
Mining companies
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http://agmetalminer.com/2014/03/10/anglo-american-will-not-fund-abbot-point-coal-expansion-lme-copper-drops/
Come on tony pull the finger out
Jobs jobs jobs jobs
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http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/01/16/transcript-another-nsa-whistleblower-russell-tice/
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http://talkingpoints.com.au/2014/03/r-p-free-speech-protesters-can-now-charged-750-2-years-gaol-attending-protests-victoria/
Two years in jail for saying killing Babies is not cool :clapping
Or anything the police doesn't think you should be allowed to say
Good work Melbourne
In Australia
A new law has been passed (VLAD) which will allow the government to jail almost anyone it does not like for 15 years. http://www.guestlawyers.com.au/index.php/blog/are-you-a-vicious-lawless-associate.html[8]
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Northern Territory chief minister Adam Giles is facing calls to act on the incarceration of Roseanne Fulton, a mentally impaired Indigneous woman languishing in a Kalgoorlie jail, despite never facing trial or being convicted of a crime.
Fulton has spent the past 18 months in a West Australian prison after she crashed a stolen car and was charged with driving offences. Born with foetal alcohol syndrome, Fulton, 24, was ruled by a magistrate to be unfit to plead or face trial.
Rejected for a place in an Alice Springs secure facility, Kwiyernpe House, designed for intellectually impaired people, Fulton has remained in prison in Kalgoorlie, hundreds of kilometres from her family and home in the Northern Territory.
“They’re leaving Roseanne in prison, neglected, forgotten and ignored. She is desperately sad and wants to return to the NT. She deserves care and kindness, not prison bars and more abuse,” Fulton’s legal guardian, former NT police officer Ian McKinlay, said.
He speaks to her daily by phone. “She’s just bewildered, she doesn’t know why she’s there and why she’s stayed so long,” McKinlay said.
She is one of at least 30 Aboriginal people in the same situation, according to the Aboriginal Disability Justice Campaign.
Since ABC’s Lateline program revealed the story, McKinlay has set up a petition demanding NT chief minister Adam Giles have Fulton moved to a supported care facility.
“The NT government has wiped their hands of her. Despite building a brand new facility to care for people like Roseanne, the NT government is refusing to offer her a secure care placement that would allow her release. But it seems they think it’ll save a few dollars keeping her in jail instead of in proper care,” McKinlay said.
The petition asks Giles and the NT government “to offer Roseanne a place in proper care rather than leaving her locked in a prison indefinitely”.
In Victoria and NSW, cases such as Fulton’s are offered disability services and specialist accommodation.
The NT corrections department and health department both declined to comment.
:clapping
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You know the rules
Link for the article Bents or gets removed
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Just like her human rights. :'(
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More on Peta Credlin
Tony Abbott's surprise cabinet call on Arthur Sinodinos proves shrewd
March 19, 2014
When Tony Abbott named his cabinet after last year's election, the dearth of women was striking.
But another omission raised eyebrows, too, at least in Canberra: leaving out the talented Arthur Sinodinos.
He settled for the lesser post of assistant treasurer, which seemed a modest brief for a man who had so effectively headed John Howard's prime ministerial office and lent his government much of its strategic and intellectual ballast.
Some wondered aloud if there were things we didn't know. And that prompted rumours that Abbott's chief of staff, Peta Credlin, had quietly ensured the preferment of the West Australian Mathias Cormann to the cabinet post of Finance, which had been thought most likely for Sinodinos.
But if so, why? Was it professional insecurity - the new chief of staff not wanting a predecessor so close to the throne? Or was it Credlin detecting faint signals of embarrassment down the track?
In this sense, the federal political implications of yet more sleaze coming to the surface in NSW politics may have already begun.
In the interregnum, between running Howard's office and returning to the capital as a parliamentarian, Sinodinos enjoyed a brief but extremely well-connected business career featuring, among other things, a lucrative stint as a board member and as chairman of Australian Water Holdings. It turned out to be an Obeid-linked company
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbotts-surprise-cabinet-call-on-arthur-sinodinos-proves-shrewd-20140318-350gm.html#ixzz2wL36Cp3S
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Abbott damm legend. What a great summer he has had. Boats where are they??
Im waiting on the senate in July's decision on the PPL scheme. My feel is that it wont go ahead or watered down, which is probably the right thing.
That being said Il gladly my wife will gladly take the 75k and wont look back if its offered. My house is in need of a pool and that will certainly help that.
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Now doesn't this sum up this Government.
I just hope Quentin tells him to shove it.
Tony Abbott reintroduces knight and dame honours for Australians
March 25, 2014 - 4:25PM
Matthew Knott
The Abbott government will reintroduce the honour of knights and dames of the Order of Australia to celebrate pre-eminent Australians such as outgoing Governor-General Quentin Bryce.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced on Tuesday afternoon that up to four knights or dames will be appointed in any year.
The first dame under the changes will be the outgoing Governor-General Quentin Bryce and the first knight will be incoming Governor-General Peter Cosgrove. All future governors-general will be appointed a Knight or a Dame.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-reintroduces-knight-and-dame-honours-for-australians-20140325-35fzo.html#ixzz2wx78kr00
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Tony Abbott reintroduces knight and dame honours for Australians
Good to see the govt yet again dealing with the big issues :clapping
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Sir Abbot has a good ring to it
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Tony is a bigger moron than I thought.
Tony Abbott bypassed colleagues on dames and knights move as Labor says it's a distraction from bad headlines
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has confirmed that he did not take his decision to reintroduce dames and knights to his colleagues as Labor has criticised the move as a distraction from a bad week for the government.
Mr Abbott told Fairfax radio 3AW that the decision was his, and was not taken to cabinet or the party room.
''I consulted with a number of senior colleagues,'' he said. ''I took some soundings in the community but in the end it was my recommendation to the Queen which she graciously accepted.''
Several Liberal colleagues expressed their surprise at the announcement, Liberal Senator Sue Boyce saying she was ''disappointed'' that the Prime Minister had returned Australians to an outdated ''imperial'' honours system.
''Those sorts of titles, they don't fit in Australia to me, they never did... and they fit even less in 21st century Australia,'' Senator Boyce told ABC24 on Wednesday.
Senator Boyce said she admired Dame Quentin Bryce, but was ''somewhat disappointed'' the departing Governor-General, who is a republican, had accepted Mr Abbott's first damehood.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-bypassed-colleagues-on-dames-and-knights-move-as-labor-says-its-a-distraction-from-bad-headlines-20140326-35h7y.html#ixzz2x2LwEovW
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Tasman trees / Gb reef ideas brilliant
Gw tomy
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This lot of incompetent fools are completely misreading the voters.
George Brandis rolled on changes to Racial Discrimination Act
March 27, 2014
Peter Hartcher, James Massola
Federal cabinet forced George Brandis to soften his original proposal to loosen constraints on racist insults and hate speech.
In a lengthy cabinet meeting on Monday night - and amid growing backbench concerns - Senator Brandis watered down his proposals for changes to section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.
The Attorney-General was instead obliged to settle for only a draft exposure bill. This allows the government position to remain fluid and community groups to react. The changes proposed to the act in an exposure draft on release to the government party room on Tuesday contained a weakening of Senator Brandis' original proposals.
The outcome represented what one minister described as a compromise between the conservative and moderate factions. One minister said: ''George has really drunk the right-wing Kool-Aid.''
Another minister said Mr Brandis' original proposal was ''much worse'' than the agreed text and he had been forced to back down. A third minister present at the meeting said the original bill had been ''terrible''.
Asked if the cabinet had forced the change from a bill to an exposure draft, that minister said ''things are evolving all the time'' and that the exposure draft still ''needs to be changed quite substantially''.
The exposure draft released has proposed section 18C, which makes it unlawful for someone to act in a manner likely to ''offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate'' someone because of their race or ethnicity, would be repealed while section 18D, which provides protections for freedom of speech, will be removed and replaced by a new section.
The changes remove the words ''offend, insult and humiliate'', leave in ''intimidate'' and adds the word ''vilify'' for the first time.
But a passage in the exposure draft that exempts words and images "in public discussion of any political, social, cultural, religious, artistic, academic or scientific matter", has attracted a storm of criticism for being too broad and weakening current protections.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-brandis-rolled-on-changes-to-racial-discrimination-act-20140326-35iyh.html#ixzz2x6TZmQxt
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Smart Politician is our Tony. This is pure deflection to take the heat off the Sinodinos affair.
PM's honours moves revives republican movement numbers
March 27, 2014
Matthew Knott and Mark Kenny
The Australian Republican Movement has welcomed Tony Abbott's reintroduction of knighthoods and damehoods saying it has re-invigorated the republican cause and prompted a membership spike.
The bizarre outcome was among the unintended consequences of Tuesday afternoon's surprise announcement, which saw the Abbott government subjected to ridicule in Parliament, newspapers and talkback radio, and across social media.
Speaking at the National Press Club, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten asked if the country was in a time warp, noting that not even John Howard had revived the British titles in his almost 12 years as prime minister.
With the Prime Minister on the defensive in Parliament, Labor used the announcement to claim the government's priorities were wrong. Privately some ministers expressed incredulity that Mr Abbott had taken such an approach without recourse to the cabinet or party room.
David Morris, national director of the Australian Republican Movement, said Mr Abbott's announcement had reframed debate from the ''celebrity monarchy'' to pride in Australia's national institutions.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pms-honours-moves-revives-republican-movement-numbers-20140326-35iwd.html#ixzz2x6XyeJte
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The worst PM in my memory. The man has NFI.
Tony Abbott's pre-budget fortnight of blunders and stuff-ups
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
Friday is a red-letter day for the Abbott government.
It marks 100 days since any successful people-smuggling venture has made it to Australia.
The government has not been shy about its Operation Sovereign Borders milestone nor for that matter the 30 or 40 daily increments leading up to it.
It comes ironically enough, at the fag-end of the most mistake-laden fortnight for the government since the travel entitlements debacle marred its first weeks in office.
Back then Tony Abbott had been strangely absent, his minimalist approach erroneously designed to position him as the opposite of the news cycle-obsessed Rudd-Gillard outfits.
What it actually conveyed was a government without a message and a prime minister without a firm hand on the wheel.
Opinion polls reflected this vacuum and by the close of 2013, press gallery journalists were being backgrounded to the effect that things would change in 2014.
Abbott’s performance since has been more positive and the government had looked to be settling in.
But the sitting fortnight just concluded, the last before the May budget session, has been anything but impressive, starting out badly and getting steadily worse.
And with each day, the prime minister’s normally confident body language in parliament has chronicled that slide.
First came the storm over the past business dealings of his assistant treasurer, Arthur Sinodinos.
Sinodinos stood down from his post last week pending Independent Commission Against Corruption hearings into Australian Water Holdings, but it wasn’t Abbott’s doing. He continued to enthusiastically spruik the imminent return of Sinodinos to the ministry.
In any event, the voluntary suspension has failed to defuse the issue amid new testimony at ICAC that Sinodinos was expressly warned of governance problems including the possible insolvency of AWH, when he was chairman in 2010.
Sinodinos himself will give evidence to the first of two ICAC inquiries next week, with commissioner Megan Latham pointedly leaving open the possibility on Wednesday of an actual corruption finding against Sinodinos - ostensibly the government’s chief ministerial guardian of corporate governance - if he is judged to have breached his duties as a company director. Counsel assisting the inquiry, Geoffrey Watson, SC, appears hot-to-trot on this score, arguing the ICAC Act contains a section dealing with corrupt conduct which ''seems to be capable of being applied’’ to directors’ duties ‘‘depending on the facts which emerge’’ in this case.
This has become a running sore for Abbott. Colleagues worry that Abbott’s support will make it harder to cut the minister loose if needed, but it might actually make it easier, allowing the Prime Minister to explain the dismissal as anything but a personal preference.
Either way, there is a noticeable cooling of support for Sinodinos’ return. And there is other fallout too, such as the related decision this week to suspend imminent legislation undoing Labor’s Future of Financial Advice reforms. The FoFA law had ended the lucrative practice of financial advisers taking hidden commissions associated with particular investment products. It also required advisers selling such products to act in the interests of consumers. The suspension of the rollback was a bad look if only because it felt messy and fuelled the appearance that there may have been a conflict of interest in Sinodinos’s championing of the bank-friendly change given his past role as an NAB executive.
The decision to consult further was made by Finance Minister Mathias Cormann, who assumed responsibility for FoFA from his ousted colleague following pressure from the usually conservative National Seniors. Its members stand to lose vital consumer protections under the changes.
Some Liberals are critical of the consultation work done by Sinodinos, noting that even the Financial Planning Association peak body had expressed reservations about the reintroduction of commissions for general financial advice, despite complaining of a welter of new regulations since FoFA came in.
On top of these problems came Attorney-General George Brandis' ham-fisted sales job for his changes to the Racial Discrimination Act. His legally correct yet politically insane observation, that people have a right to be bigots, was an horrendous own-goal.
Then came the Prime Minister’s stunning return to old empire via the restoration of knights and dames in the Australian awards system.
One Liberal observed that not even John Howard had wanted to turn the clock that far back and right on cue, Howard himself confirmed it, telling Fairfax Media, that even conservatives would view the move as ‘‘somewhat anachronistic".
Howard used to rail against Labor’s tendency to govern for section interests.
But this week, it was the Abbott government which turned its back on mainstream opinion to pander to a couple of mouthy conservative commentators wanting to legalise hate speech, a cloister of protected banks wanting to reintroduce skimming, and a tiny cluster of 19th century monarchists.
Little wonder the Prime Minister has been ashen-faced in parliament this week.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbotts-prebudget-fortnight-of-blunders-and-stuffups-20140327-zqnkm.html#ixzz2xCDgRrj0
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Just read this one and make up your own minds.
PM makes us nation without honour
March 29, 2014 - 12:11AM
Martin Flanagan
Sports Writer for The Age
Who is Tony Abbott? Do we know him? I would not ask these questions, for example, of John Howard. His family was very much fashioned by World War I – both his father and grandfather enlisting (one incredible story has them meeting up, on the battlefield, a few hours before the lethal hostilities resumed). John Winston Howard, born in 1939, got his middle name from Winston Churchill. John Howard is what was once known as an Australian Briton.
Born in England, Abbott is a Catholic monarchist – a curious combination. One of his close friends, the late Christopher Pearson, used to hear the Mass in Latin. For a time, I likened Abbott to Guy Crouchback, a character from the pen of the English Catholic novelist Evelyn Waugh, a man with a reactionary and religious bent – hence Abbott's spell in the seminary as a young man.
But how do you square Catholic theology with wealthy Australia offloading its asylum-seeker problem to impoverished countries such as Papua New Guinea and Nauru? Cambodia? I'm sure one Catholic who wouldn't buy it is Pope Francis.
I always thought Abbott shared, with Julia Gillard, an awkwardness with Australian culture that was expressed, in Gillard's case, through her exaggerated accent, and, in Abbott's case, through the countless interviews he gave as opposition leader in his budgie smugglers.
When Rupert Murdoch tweeted his endorsement of Abbott before the last federal election, he described him as a conviction politician. Is he? By his own account, Abbott nearly joined the Labor Party and, prior to him becoming Prime Minister, I always understood him to be a DLP type. Not any more.
The DLP has always been clear about what it deems to be moral issues – for example, West Papua. Last year, Abbott described the actions of three West Papuans who climbed the wall into the Australian embassy in Bali to protest about the plight of their people as grandstanding. He then declared that conditions in West Papua were improving. DLP senator John Madigan flatly told him he was wrong.
In 2011, journalist John Van Tiggelen wrote an extended profile on Andrew Bolt after the case in which Bolt was found guilty under the Racial Discrimination Act. I saw that case up close through the eyes of a friend, Anita Heiss. Irrespective of the argument about that particular legislation, Bolt's treatment of Heiss was journalistically indefensible and caused deep and repeated hurt. I saw that as clearly as I've seen injuries on the football field.
In the aftermath of the case, Bolt was apparently thinking of stepping away from the media when a "very influential person" (Bolt's words) arrived at his house and urged him to keep going. Van Tiggelen established the very influential visitor was Abbott.
Abbott's government is now seeking to alter the Racial Discrimination Act. As has been observed elsewhere, the government's original proposal would have meant that indigenous AFL star Adam Goodes could be called an ape everywhere in Australia but on the football field. Then, this week, Abbott reintroduced knights and dames and, like Henry VIII, the decision was his alone.
The Anzac legend becomes more distorted and hyperbolic every year, but there are elements of the story that are important to me. One is that Australian soldiers wouldn't salute the English officers. Why should they? Respect does not come with titles – respect is earned. That belief, as much as any, defines me as an Australian.
Now Tony Abbott has reinstated a vain and empty honours system from another time and place. The country, which is outsourcing its asylum-seeker problem to its poorer neighbours, has just reinstituted an order of knights and dames in its society. Where is our self-respect?
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/pm-makes-us-nation-without-honour-20140328-35ory.html#ixzz2xLNrTXUh
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English catholic monarchist = massive flog
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true, and its ok to be bigoted against those pommy catholic monarchist scum :birthday
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What would Geez do tony?
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same as superman, just in a different outfit
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This is all eerily similar to the Fraser years.
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Malcolm Fraser was asked once for his definition of poor.
He said poor families couldn't afford a second car.
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was he actually defining the term?Or just pointing out something that's probably true
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was he actually defining the term?Or just pointing out something that's probably true
No what he pointed out with that comment was he didn't have clue.
For the time it was stupid statement.
Wasn't a great PM Mr Fraser.
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credit where credit due, he kept one promise
"Life wasn't meant to be easy"
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credit where credit due, he kept one promise
"Life wasn't meant to be easy"
Sounds a bit like the crap that comes out of Joe Hockey.
"The end of the age of entitlement"
For cleaners and pensioners at least but not for the rich who will get $75,000 in maternity leave.
:banghead
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:lol
Tony Abbott has gone barking mad
March 27, 2014
Mike Carlton
"Abbott !" said the Queen sharply. "Off the sofa, please. Sit there by the fire with Thatcher and Blair."
The corgi glared balefully at the monarch and gave a sullen little yap, but then waddled over to join the other dogs on the hearth. The Duke of Edinburgh raised his head from his customary breakfast fare of kippers and Horse & Hound magazine.
"Did I hear you call that dog Abbott?" he said. "I thought you named them after your prime ministers."
"We've run out of British PMs, dear. Abbott is the new Australian Prime Minister. Terry Abbott. Or is it Tony? One or the other."
Philip forked another fishy blob onto the ducal plate.
"Abbott," he said. " Abbott Abbott Abbott. Terry Abbott. Can't say I've ever heard of him."
The Queen gave a light sigh.
"Of course you have, Philip," she said. " We had him to lunch at Windsor last year. You said it was the most excruciatingly dull occasion you'd endured since the state dinner for George Bush."
"Ah yes. He kept banging on about being a Rhodes scholar."
"And told us some of the colleges at Oxford were very old and historic," said the Queen with a wry smile. "Who'd have thought it ?"
She poured herself another cup of tea. Spode china, milk and one, a tinkle with the teaspoon. The Duke lowered Horse & Hound.
"I suppose he's one of those Australian republican chappies, is he? Can't wait to get rid of us."
"Oh Lord no, " said the Queen. "Quite the opposite. He's more Tory than we are. He's just asked me to reintroduce knighthoods. Sir This and Dame That in the Order of Australia. Ridiculous, but one had to go along with it, of course. "
Philip snorted. "Some of your colonials still love the baubles," he said. " I suppose that means we'll have to fly out there for another bloody tour. "
"No dear. Been there, done that. Too old now. William and Kate are going out in a few weeks. Good practice for 'em."
"Thank Geez for that."
The Duke returned to his magazine. His wife selected a triangle of toast and spread it liberally with best Welsh butter and chunky Dundee marmalade.
"Here, Abbott," she said. "Come to mummy."
The dog stirred from the fireplace and positioned itself by the royal chair, eyeing the toast proffered in the royal hand.
"Now beg!"
The animal settled back on its haunches, front paws raised, mouth open. In went the morsel. Snap went the jaws.
"Good boy, Abbott," said the Queen. "Good boy."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-has-gone-barking-mad-20140328-zqnnv.html#ixzz2xf6KYTTz
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The good Samaritan parable is a mirror image of the tony boat person policy
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/02/coalition-review-of-consumer-laws-may-ban-environmental-boycotts :gotigers
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Yeah right.
:lol
Arthur Sinodinos' memory lets him down about donations to NSW Liberals
April 3, 2014
Sean Nicholls
Arthur Sinodinos insists he has ''no recollection'' of more than $70,000 in donations to the NSW Liberals by his former firm Australian Water Holdings - despite being honorary party treasurer and an AWH director at the time.
As he prepares to appear in the witness box at the Independent Commission Against Corruption on Thursday, Senator Sinodinos seems somewhat forgetful when it comes to giving to the Liberals - or ignorant of the rules.
NSW election funding records show he and his wife Elizabeth personally made payments totalling $1500 to the NSW Liberals in January 2009, just months after he became a director of Australian Water Holdings.
But while the NSW Liberals declared the payments - one of $1040 and another of $460 - as required by law, the Sinodinoses have failed to do so, more than five years later.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/arthur-sinodinos-memory-lets-him-down-about-donations-to-nsw-liberals-20140402-35yvs.html#ixzz2xm605sQf
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Read the article and find out exactly who is in charge of our national government.
Ms Fix-it
April 5, 2014
Jane Cadzow
As chief of staff to Tony Abbott, Peta Credlin is regarded as the organisational brain behind the prime minister - and by some as having way too much power.
Credlin, 43, is the most discussed woman in Canberra, and probably the most powerful. She heads the prime minister's office, effectively the command centre of the Liberal-National Coalition government, and is widely believed to have more influence over the way the country is run than most of our elected representatives. (She has been known to refer to parliamentarians as "the front men".) The key to her clout is the nature of her alliance with Abbott. "He relies on her heavily and respects her judgment," says a senior Liberal. "She is the person in politics he's closest to, no doubt about that."
Unlike desk-bound chiefs of staff of the past, Credlin is at the PM's side at many official events. Internet entrepreneur Daniel Petre tells of a dinner at which "a person across the table asked a question of Tony Abbott and she jumped in with the answer. Not only did he let her finish the answer, he didn't actually say anything." I relay the anecdote to a former senior Liberal Party official, who replies: "I've seen that on a number of occasions. And it makes me very, very uncomfortable."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/ms-fixit-20140331-35shb.html#ixzz2yQdMR7ao
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CBF
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Honestly, WGAF?
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What's going on up in NSW? Corrupt and crooked pollies everywhere and all sides.
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Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
or in modern parlance
Suffer in your jocks
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God help us.
:lol
Gospel truth: Catholics come to power
April 20, 2014
The federal Coalition's cabinet is the most powerful collection of Catholics ever assembled in Australia, with almost half its 19 minister being members of that faith, nearly double the proportion of Catholics in the general population.
The Prime Minister, Treasurer and finance, trade, communications, education, agriculture and social services ministers are Catholics, and at least four others belong to other Christian denominations.
Asked by Fairfax Media about their Easter plans, half the Abbott cabinet confirmed they would be attending church. And while almost a quarter of the population ticked "no religion" in the 2011 census, nobody in the Coalition cabinet would admit to being an atheist.
Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce, a Catholic who plans to attend four church services over the weekend, said: "I'm no saint but I try to go to all the services that are part of the Easter ritual."
The Catholicism of the Coalition has evolved over the past several decades, said John Warhurst, an expert in religion and politics at the Australian National University.
Asked whether this government was the most powerful coalition of Catholics ever assembled in Australia, Professor Warhurst said: "I don't think there's any doubt about it. Many of the same [Catholic ministers] were in the Howard cabinet . . . but they didn't enjoy the level of influence they have now."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/gospel-truth-catholics-come-to-power-20140419-36y46.html#ixzz2zMbGNMmE
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(http://www.tricycle.com/sites/default/files/images/church_state.jpg)
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The crap I see week in week out from politicians of all color...I dont want to vote anymore.Give me someone who is concerned about our community ,our society,and not about saying anything just to get elected.....
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US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
(Study shows)
http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
:clapping
ol·i·gar·chy [ol-i-gahr-kee] Show IPA
noun, plural ol·i·gar·chies.
1.
a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
2.
a state or organization so ruled.
3.
the persons or class so ruling.
Origin:
1570–80; < Medieval Latin oligarchia < Greek oligarchía. See olig-, -archy
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12 billion dollars on 58 Joint Strike Fighters and then we hit the pensioners and poor.
:banghead
'Nothing is free': Joe Hockey warns of budget pain, with pensions in the firing line
April 24, 2014 - 6:48AM
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
Australians from all walks of life should brace for a serious tightening of federal government expenditure, Joe Hockey has warned, but it appears older Australians will be asked to do some of the heaviest lifting in a budget repair task being pitched as a moral and economic necessity.
In a key note speech just weeks ahead of his first budget, Mr Hockey has railed against the unsustainability of the age pension, the growing cost of aged care services, and the drain on the budget from the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, which he noted was weighed down with 80 per cent of its costs coming from concessional usage.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nothing-is-free-joe-hockey-warns-of-budget-pain-with-pensions-in-the-firing-line-20140423-zqyaq.html#ixzz2zkLooESD
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Now I understand the meaning of cockpit
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/10308904_10152027055771205_8592983627014596863_n_zps5fcb60ae.jpg)
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Have no problems with them strengthening our Defence Forces
But I have serious issues with this Govt on one hand persisting with their over the top paid parental leave scheme when the age of "entitlement" is supposedly over.
But then attack the very people who are actually entitled to be looked after and that is the elderly. PBS scheme, pensions, $6 fee to go to the Doctors. Whether they introduce all these changes now or in a few years, they are broken promises
Clearly the priorities of this government are screwed
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Looking forward to being the supreme force in the air around here
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there's quite a few people saying otherwise chucky.
Isnt the f35 more of an air to ground fighter?
heard an ex air marshal giving a run down of why the Russian fighters all our asian neighbours are buying will give them air superiority over the joint strike fighters, in particular their ability to gain higher altitude and carry 12 air to air missile rather than 4.
from what i have heard the f22 raptors would be a better option for air to air combat as that is what they are designed for.
Dennis jensen, a lib back bencher, comments on it are interesting and are pretty much apolitical
"But Dr Jensen, who has studied the Joint Strike Fighter for years, said the purchase of the planes had been a "bipartisan stuff up", set in train by the Howard government, continued under Labor and completed under his own government."
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-dennis-jensen-attacks-joint-strike-fighter-order-as-a-dud-decision-20140423-zqy6a.html
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F35 is a pretty capable air to air fighter and has a profile advantage, it is considered a multirole fighter but you're right in that it is better suited to air to ground operations due to superior stealth technology.
The F22 is a pretty decent fighter but probably suffers from being an in-betweener. The F18s might have the reputation of 'flying pigs' but we only have a defense force and they're perfectly fine for that albeit getting on. If we invested in a heap of F22s they'll be in the same boat as the F18s in 10 years so I can understand wanting to upgrade to the latest. Australia will only ever play a support role and I don't think our air force will ever be expected to win air superiority but rather assist tactical ground operations.
Like WP I have no issues with buffing our armed forces but not after the government hasn't shut up about being broke and wanting to touch things like aged pensions, medicare and minimum wage. Surely things aren't so bad if the government can fork on these things to sit and rust at Amberley and Williamtown.
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priorities..
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Unbe-effing-lievable.
Aussie labourers told to find new careers in the 50s
Jessica Marszalek •
Herald Sun •
April 24, 2014 9:00PM
AUSTRALIANS whose ageing bodies are “broken” by hard labour would just have to find new careers in their 50s and work on, says Joe Hockey.
Though asking older workers not to worry, the Treasurer made it clear Baby Boomers and their children would see big changes to the design of the age pension, including an inevitable rise in the pension age.
A day after warning that growth in welfare payments was fast outstripping economic growth, and could not be paid for by future generations, Mr Hockey said all generations would have to work on.
Having flagged a possible rise in the pension age from 67 to 70, he said: “There is an inevitability that, at some point, we have to increase the aged pension age.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/aussie-labourers-told-to-find-new-careers-in-the-50s/story-e6frf7jo-1226895306207
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there's quite a few people saying otherwise chucky.
Isnt the f35 more of an air to ground fighter?
heard an ex air marshal giving a run down of why the Russian fighters all our asian neighbours are buying will give them air superiority over the joint strike fighters, in particular their ability to gain higher altitude and carry 12 air to air missile rather than 4.
from what i have heard the f22 raptors would be a better option for air to air combat as that is what they are designed for.
Dennis jensen, a lib back bencher, comments on it are interesting and are pretty much apolitical
"But Dr Jensen, who has studied the Joint Strike Fighter for years, said the purchase of the planes had been a "bipartisan stuff up", set in train by the Howard government, continued under Labor and completed under his own government."
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-dennis-jensen-attacks-joint-strike-fighter-order-as-a-dud-decision-20140423-zqy6a.html
All well and good Al but as long as we have the New Zealanders covered all is well
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Unbe-effing-lievable.
Aussie labourers told to find new careers in the 50s
Jessica Marszalek •
Herald Sun •
April 24, 2014 9:00PM
AUSTRALIANS whose ageing bodies are “broken” by hard labour would just have to find new careers in their 50s and work on, says Joe Hockey.
Though asking older workers not to worry, the Treasurer made it clear Baby Boomers and their children would see big changes to the design of the age pension, including an inevitable rise in the pension age.
A day after warning that growth in welfare payments was fast outstripping economic growth, and could not be paid for by future generations, Mr Hockey said all generations would have to work on.
Having flagged a possible rise in the pension age from 67 to 70, he said: “There is an inevitability that, at some point, we have to increase the aged pension age.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/aussie-labourers-told-to-find-new-careers-in-the-50s/story-e6frf7jo-1226895306207
Out of touch Hockey.
The budget could be the beginning of a more extreme version of Reaganomics in Australia where the false trickle down benefits spruked are a smokescreen for reform and leaves the poor poorer and the rich richer.
Obviously the standard of living which is the envy of the world is being indirectly but conciously attacked by the Libs.
How deep they cut into it will depend whether they think they are beyond being thrown out of government in one term
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if the ALP hadnt ruined Australia's financial position during the last 6 or 7 years during their time in office then this wouldnt need to take place.
John Howard left Australia with ZERO PUBLIC DEBT and BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NET IN THE BANK. LABOR SPENT ALL THE MONEY THEN WACKED ON ANOTHER 300 BILLION IN PUBLIC DEBT.
This is not Hockeys fault this is the fault of Rudd and Gillard and their governments who lost control of the Australian Economy when we were in the middle of a commoditys boom which should have made Australia a richer country. Instead they stuffed it up the wall on dodgy policys such as pink batts, cash for clunkers and dozens of other bulldust policies. They wacked on tens of thousands of people in the public bureaucracy and left our national computer systems at a federal level with Centrelink and the ATO to fall apart. They are GUILTY! They are the GUILTY PARTY and they will always be the GUILTY PARTY!
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I'm not sure of the stats on this but the general thrust is right.30 years Government activity accounted for approx. 30% of economic activity today from what I understand its less than 15%.I guess we can deduce the influence Governments are having over our lives is becoming less and less
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if the ALP hadnt ruined Australia's financial position during the last 6 or 7 years during their time in office then this wouldnt need to take place.
John Howard left Australia with ZERO PUBLIC DEBT and BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NET IN THE BANK. LABOR SPENT ALL THE MONEY THEN WACKED ON ANOTHER 300 BILLION IN PUBLIC DEBT.
This is not Hockeys fault this is the fault of Rudd and Gillard and their governments who lost control of the Australian Economy when we were in the middle of a commoditys boom which should have made Australia a richer country. Instead they stuffed it up the wall on dodgy policys such as pink batts, cash for clunkers and dozens of other bulldust policies. They wacked on tens of thousands of people in the public bureaucracy and left our national computer systems at a federal level with Centrelink and the ATO to fall apart. They are GUILTY! They are the GUILTY PARTY and they will always be the GUILTY PARTY!
Up until Howard, nearly every time an australian government has delivered a budget surplus, it was soon followed by a recession.
Under howard, the economy was driven by, as you say a resources boom, which is 1. not really down to the government and 2. ultimately nearly always is followed by a bust, as most booms are. It also has many flow on affects, such as rising wages, particularly in the manufacturing sector, and leading to a higher Australian dollar, which gives the manufacturing sector a double whammy.
It was also fuelled by record non government debt (private sector and household), as was the booming world economy, which was subsequently followed by a bust in the GFC, in no small part due to this record non government debt coming home to roost, which saw many economies around the world go into recession, except Australia, although we did go pretty close.
The australian economy is not a bubble all on its own, is it very much influenced by the world economy, but being so small,relatively, has very little influence on the world economy itself.
To judge how any modern government is managing our economy, the rational and objective way to do so is to to view it alongside the world economy at the time.
The greatest mistake that the labour government made was to get get sucked into this obsession with a budget surplus, promised to deliver such, and then had to embark on major cost cutting at a time when the economy was treading water, and also in a vain attempt to deliver this promise, make spending commitments in a way that increased over the following years thus reducing budget pressure in the now, but increasing it in the future.
This was all politicly driven, rather than fiscally.
Once a government promises, and becomes obsessed with delivering a budget surplus, you know that hurt will most probably follow.
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Commission of Audit has been released today ...
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AN EXTRA fee of $15 to see the doctor, raising the pension age to 70 and measures to axe the jobs of 15,000 public servants are among recommendations to the Abbott Government to fix the budget.
The Commission of Audit’s much-anticipated final report has been released, laying out 86 recommendations, offering savings of about $70 billion a year within a decade.
They include slowing minimum wage growth, a slower roll out of the National Disability Insurance Scheme and abolishing whole government agencies.
The lengthy report warns if the government continues a “business as usual” approach, Australia would face 16 years of consecutive deficits with net debt rising to $440 billion by 2023-24, up from $190 billion today.
The Government has already said some of the Commission’s recommendations will be able to be implemented, others will be looked at and some will be ignored completely.
There won’t be an immediate response to each recommendation, Finance Minister Mathias Cormann said.
Instead more will be revealed on Budget night in less than a fortnight.
Here’s a snapshot of where and how the Commission of Audit believes the Abbott Government can save its pennies:
WORK UNTIL 70
The Commission of Audit recommends the pension age be lifted to 70 by 2053, up on the current scheduled increase of 67.
The current assets test should be scrapped it argues, and replaced with a means test for new recipients from 2027-28.
The family home should be included in the new test for those above $500,000 for a single pensioner in today’s terms and $750,000 for couples, according to the report.
It also suggest the rate be wound back over time, in line with average weekly earnings.
EXTRA FEE FOR BULK-BILL SERVICES
Patients should be hit with a $15 co-payment for services currently covered by bulk billing, the Commission of Audit recommends, with the extra fee then halved to $7.50 after 15 visits a year.
Concession card holders would pay $5.
It would not only cover seeing a GP, but also services like blood tests.
Amid fears it would encourage people to turn up to emergency wards, it recommends State Governments consider bringing in a similar co-payment.
MINIUMUM WAGE REDUCED
The Commission recommends the minimum wage be scaled back, slowing growth in line with 44 per cent of national average weekly earnings.
It argues each state should also have its own, to avoid its workers being disadvantaged.
WELFARE SHAKE-UP
It recommends Family Tax Benefit B be scrapped and recipients be rolled into Family Tax Benefit A, with the eligibility cap reduced.
The Commission suggests changes to make sure the Disability Support Pension is given to those in genuine need.
New assessment criteria should be implemented it says, with the current income and assets test axed.
It should be replaced with a means test, like the age pension, which would include the family home for singles above $500,000 and $750,000 for couples.
Young people aged between 22 and 30, without children, who have been pocketing benefits for a year should lose their benefits if they don’t move to high employment areas, the Commission also recommends.
PUBLIC SERVICE CUT
The Commission argues 15,000 fewer public servants would be needed if its recommendations, including cutting agencies and handing over some responsibilities to the states, were adopted.
That would represent five per cent of the current public service.
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES SCRAPPED
The Commission believes seven government agencies, should be abolished, another 35 merged with others, 22 consolidated and nine potentially privatised.
It also recommends the Immigration Department and Customs be rolled into a mega agency.
POWER BACK TO THE STATES
The Commission proposes states be given “all policy and funding responsibility” for government and non-government schools.
It also argues more the States could pick up more responsibility in funding public hospitals.
PAID PARENTAL LEAVE WOUND BACK
The Government is being encouraged to lower the wage replacement cap to average weekly earnings, currently $57,460 a year, instead of Tony Abbott’s plan which is based on the current salary.
Money saved should go towards childcare, the Commission recommends.
SLOWER NDIS
The Commission believes the current roll out of the National Disability Scheme is “highly ambitious” and should be slowed down.
The recommendation would require the states to go back to the drawing board on agreements already struck.
HELP LOANS CHANGES
Students should have to start paying back their HELP loans when they earn the minimum wage, currently $32,354 instead of the current threshold of more than $51,000, the Commission recommends.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/commission-of-audit-reveals-spending-cuts/story-e6frfm1i-1226902160516
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Commission of Audit: major recommendations
Matthew Knott
The Age
May 1, 2014 - 2:29PM
HEALTH
Force high-income earners to take out private health insurance and remove access to the private health insurance rebate
Introduce co-payments for all Medicare services: $15 per service for general patients and $5 per service for concession holders with payments reduced after 15 visits
Encourage states to introduce co-payments for emergency ward visits for non-urgent medical complaints
Increase co-payments by $5 for all medicines in the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. No increase for concession card holders below the safety net threshold
Deregulate ownership and location rules for pharmacies
EDUCATION
Decrease Commonwealth contribution to higher education costs from 59 per cent to 45 per cent and increase the student share from 41 to 55 per cent
Partial or full deregulation of university fees
Increase interest rates on student (HELP) debt
Graduates repay HELP debt once they earn the minimum wage ($32,354)
Transfer all policy and funding responsibilities for schools to the states. Provide funding in three, non-transferable pools for public, Catholic and independent schools
Do not proceed with final two years of Gonski funding
Abolish all Commonwealth vocational education and training programs including support for apprentices
AGE PENSION & AGED CARE
Link eligibility age to 77 per cent of life expectancy from 2033
Include the value of family home in an assets test for new pensioners, but with a high threshold
Peg the Age Pension to 28 per cent of Average Weekly Earnings after 15 years
Include the full value of the family home in the aged care means test
Limit carer payments to one payment per carer
Introduce a $150,000 income test for carer payments
UNEMPLOYMENT AND THE MINIMUM WAGE
Scrap the national minimum wage in favour of a new Minimum Wage benchmark of 44 per cent of Average Weekly Earnings. States can set their own minimum wages
Single people aged 22-30 without dependents must relocate to high unemployment areas or lose access to unemployment benefits after 12 months
Toughen income testing for unemployment benefits
FAMILY PAYMENTS
Abolish Family Tax Benefit Part B
Tighten eligibility for Family Tax Benefit Part A, removing the base rate for higher income families
WELFARE AND DISABILITY
Slower phase-in of the National Disability Insurance Scheme
New Disability Support Pension (DSP) pegged to 28 per cent of Average Weekly Earnings
Introduce tougher means testing of DSP and end existing grandfathering arrangements
Outsource the Department of Human Service's payments system to the private sector
DEFENCE
Commission a new Defence White Paper
Re-assess commitment to increase Defence spending to 2 per cent within a decade
Increase transparency and control over new equipment projects
Reduce size of Defence headquarters to 1998 levels
PAID PARENTAL LEAVE AND CHILDCARE
Lower the Paid Parental Leave scheme wage replacement cap to $57,460
Scrap the child care rebate and child care benefit and replace them with a single, means-tested payment
Parents must be working, training or studying to receive childcare benefits
FOREIGN AID
Don't tie foreign aid spending to Gross National Income
Don't increase above inflation
PUBLIC BROADCASTING
Benchmark ABC and SBS against each other and commercial broadcasters
Scrap the Australia Network
TRANSPORT AND INFRASTRUCTURE
Expand road user charges, especially for heavy vehicles
Reduce tied funding for state infrastructure projects by creating a single infrastructure funding pool
Introduce rolling strategic reviews of major spending programs
INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS
Consolidate 150 Commonwealth Indigenous programs into no more than seven programs
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
Abolish 35 government bodies
Merge 6 bodies
Consolidate 57 bodies
PRIVATISATIONS
Short term:
Snowy Hydro Limited
Australian Hearing Services
Defence Housing Australia
Australian Submarine Corporation
Medium term:
Australia Post
Australian Rail Track Corporation
Royal Australian Mint
Long term:
NBN Co
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/commission-of-audit-major-recommendations-20140501-zr2jc.html
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The payment for having labor in Government has arrived
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Glad to see all the policies they foreshadowed in the election have arrived. Oh wait :banghead
Just on GP payments, those that can't afford to go to a doctor will now lob on their local hospital's doorstep, creating more chaos for hospitals.
They only care about the bottom line of a surplus, surplus, bloody surplus. We don't need debt, but there are more ways of creating a surplus than kicking the vulnerable in the guts.
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The payment for having labor in Government has arrived
The payment for decades of stupidity, selfishness, willful ignorance and voting in the same two utterly useless political parties over & over again.
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Expect a challenge from Hockey.
:thumbsup
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The payment for having labor in Government has arrived
Actually would think the payment of the Howard govts over the top middle class welfare that was never sustainable has arrived ;)
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What a mess we find ourselves in.
Can someone remind me what year swan said we would return to surplus
Surely we don't need to go down these measures if he was right
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The payment for having labor in Government has arrived
Actually would think the payment of the Howard govts over the top middle class welfare that was never sustainable has arrived ;)
Nope
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Is WP there?
Just wanted to hear your thoughts on TA plans to cut middle welfare
Surely even you being as biased as you are are happy he took this stance or you going to deflect to other issues
stuff ALP has stuffed this country up
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Just to provide some balance to the arguement, its interesting that the liberal party engaged the very top end of town on the Commission of Audit to provide the advice. I get the whole 'they are experts in finance' arguement but isnt it a suprise that that of all the recommendations, very little if any will have an impact on those fat cats earning the 4-5 million dollars per annum ::)
These Ceos have never lived on the breadline, wont need a pension, and many have been born intoa priveleged life. They for these reasons imo are unable to truly understand (or give due weight to) the social factors of their recommendations
How about more tax for the extreme rich? Is there really any difference between earning 5 million dollars a year and 4 million dollars a year on there quality of life? That 1 million dollars could go along way.
All that aside, Im all for reform if its for the medium to Long term benefit of the country and increased standards of living. I dont really care whos to blame. I even dont mind paying my share.
But it would seem the top end of town do mind and are using the tool to ensure there is proportionally more for them and less for everyone else.
Amongst the need for reform and financial restraint, greed is still good for some.
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Is WP there?
Just wanted to hear your thoughts on TA plans to cut middle welfare
Surely even you being as biased as you are are happy he took this stance or you going to deflect to other issues
stuff ALP has stuffed this country up
Yes I am here
Let's just a get a few things clear though
Firstly the bulk of these middle class welfare payments were introduced by the Howard Govt - you know amongst other things that liltte thing called the baby bonus? That was a Howard Govt policy not Labors. It was then and is today a joke. It was wrong and it was never sustainable. The Audit commission report makes mention of these things
All political parties are guilty of throwing money at those who didn't need it. They have all increased welfare payments overtime to win voters. Suggest you remove your bias to towards the last govt and acknowledge that fact. They are all guilty of it
Am I happy that they going to cut some middle class welfare payments? Yes but and this isn't being biased I am angry that he is going to keep his Paid Parental leave Scheme. Yes it's been watered down but it shouldn't be introduced at all. If things are so dire as Hockey & Abbott keep banging on about then why go ahead with it? Oh that's right we dont break our promises. But wait a minute..... more on that later
God help the disabled, who knows what his plans are for the NDIS, seeing the Audit commission has recommended changes to that
As for what he intends to do pensions going forward. Well that borders on criminal.
I have said this before there is 2 groups that deserve as much help as they can get and thats pensioners & the disabled. Based on what's been reported about the upcoming budget he is failing them and that's a disgrace. That's not biased or political that is about treating those less fortunate the right way
And isn't it fantastic to see he is a typical pollie breaking promises.
No new taxes he bellowed pre election.
Now we are likely to have to pay a new levy. Which when using Tony's logic is in fact a tax because when the Floods levy was introduced Tony said that was a tax not a levy. But now it seems it is a levy not a tax.
So yes happy he is getting rid of some middle class welfare but would be happier if he flicked his stupid Pd Parental Leave Scheme, flicked some of the perks still afford to retired pollies and showed all us that the "age of entitlement" is indeed over across the board not just in certain places
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They won't implement these all in one go. They are just craftily forewarning their intentions, and come budget time they will implement a few but not all so as to totally not alienate. But you can be assured they will be introduced one by one. Don't forget a GST increase in the back of their minds to wipe out Labor's debt which they doubled.
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The payment for having labor in Government has arrived
The payment for decades of stupidity, selfishness, willful ignorance and voting in the same two utterly useless political parties over & over again.
true, that.
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What a mess we find ourselves in.
Can someone remind me what year swan said we would return to surplus
Surely we don't need to go down these measures if he was right
I don't suppose you can explain how the government taking more of your money than they spend is good for the economy, or how they will defy history and not send us towards recession?.
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What a mess we find ourselves in.
Can someone remind me what year swan said we would return to surplus
Surely we don't need to go down these measures if he was right
I don't suppose you can explain how the government taking more of your money than they spend is good for the economy, or how they will defy history and not send us towards recession?.
Thats being a bit dramatic. We wont be heading toward a recession any time soon and if we do maybe the gillard/rudd government need to remember those wonderful pink bats/clunkers scheme and how much money that actually wasted.
Besides what big cuts are made to an income of say 80,000? few few hundred dollars in debt levty, few GP visits. No big deal and no real loss. think its being overplayed. big losers are income of 100k plus and families.
What do you propose Al? Leave it as it is and hope we return to surplus like swan said we would by 2015. He is doing what he has to do
whilst i agree with some measures like stripping middle class welfare i would hope they pursue the winding back of things like pension payments overseas and a reduction of the PPl scheme to a more acceptable level. $50,000 is rediculous and family tax b with a threshold of over 150k should also be reduced.
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Bloody labor
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Just a question or two particularly for those right of centre.
1) How much did cash for clunkers and pink bats cost the tax payer compared to the proposed extent of Tonys maternity leave program?
2) And putting figures aside, what in your opinion was the intent of each of the three above mentioned schemes.
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Is the PPL scheme in force is it? When did it pass the senate?
Just saying
Let's deal in facts and there here and now
In 3 mths "if" it passes senate we can discuss that, besides how would you know the cost unless you know how many woman are going to have kids
The net cost of the scheme will be reduced with the axing of the FAM Tax B payments, so how about we try again and discuss why Liberals are actually doing this. Perhaps the handing of cheques to dead people didn't help either
The intention was obvious to avoid Australia heading into a recession, and to improve the environment.
This unfortunately came at a cost of peoples lives with shonky Indians with no skills handing invoices to the government in return for payment
This budget is squarely aimed at stripping middle to high class welfare yet you blokes still complain
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One term Tony coming up.
That is if Hockey doesn't challenge.
New tax on rich could seal Tony Abbott's fate
May 3, 2014 - 10:18AM 88 reading now
Tom Allard
National Affairs Editor
Could it become known as the "Abbott moment", when a prime minister cursed his political fate and consigned his government to one term?
A big call, to be sure, especially so far out from the next federal poll in 2016.
But the revelations that Tony Abbott is backing a tax increase for middle and high-income earners coupled with the National Commission of Audit's call for swingeing cuts and radical reforms to health, education and welfare has many pondering the possibility of the demise of the government.
More than a traditional softening up of voters before a tough budget, there has been a pummelling this week. Coalition MPs are reeling, their offices besieged by calls and emails from irate voters.
"Crazy", "electoral suicide", a "Gillard moment" were some of the comments from Coalition MPs, the latter remark a reference to Julia Gillard's commitment to a carbon tax, which haunted her to Labor's eventual defeat.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-tax-on-rich-could-seal-tony-abbotts-fate-20140502-zr2hx.html#ixzz30bwkuZw2
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Replaced by who shorton? Hockey? Hahaha
give it up 65
Libs are here to stay suck it up princess
3 terms at least to fix labours mess
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I dont think he has gone far enough. They should have put marginal tax rate for those earning over $500,000 a year to 50% whether they are tax payers or running as sole traders, they needed to pull back negative gearing on property, look at fully franked components of shares for people who would be entitled to say $20,000+ or more in terms of fully franked share component, they needed to pull back the paid parental scheme even more and claw back fringe benefits as well.
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Tax the poor
Leave the rich alone ffs
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United nations calling tony a twit
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/un-asks-australia-reconsider-dumping-great-barrier-reef-5946057?src=rss
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What a mess we find ourselves in.
Can someone remind me what year swan said we would return to surplus
Surely we don't need to go down these measures if he was right
I don't suppose you can explain how the government taking more of your money than they spend is good for the economy, or how they will defy history and not send us towards recession?.
Thats being a bit dramatic. We wont be heading toward a recession any time soon and if we do maybe the gillard/rudd government need to remember those wonderful pink bats/clunkers scheme and how much money that actually wasted.
Besides what big cuts are made to an income of say 80,000? few few hundred dollars in debt levty, few GP visits. No big deal and no real loss. think its being overplayed. big losers are income of 100k plus and families.
What do you propose Al? Leave it as it is and hope we return to surplus like swan said we would by 2015. He is doing what he has to do
whilst i agree with some measures like stripping middle class welfare i would hope they pursue the winding back of things like pension payments overseas and a reduction of the PPl scheme to a more acceptable level. $50,000 is rediculous and family tax b with a threshold of over 150k should also be reduced.
A bit dramatic?
Nearly every time a government has delivered a surplus we have had a recession soon after. Why will it be any different this time, particularly as it will be achieved with major spending cuts from the government, that is, cutting the largest single influence on economic growth in this country?
What's the obsession with a surplus? There is no historical evidence that a surplus drives economic growth, so do you have a theory of your own as to how it helps the economy?
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:banghead
Sounds like something a rapist bully would say.
Tony Abbott says voters will 'thank' the Coalition in the 'long run' as deficit levy speculation grows
May 5, 2014 - 9:42AM
Judith Ireland
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has defended the prospect of his government introducing a deficit levy in next week's federal budget, arguing that "in the long run" voters will thank the Coalition for taking strict measures to reduce debt levels.
Following a weekend poll that found more than 70 per cent of surveyed voters think a deficit levy would be a broken promise - given Mr Abbott's pre-election pledge of no new taxes - the Prime Minister has argued that the "most fundamental commitment" the Coalition made was to "get Labor's debt and deficit under control".
As the government heads into its final week of preparations for the May 13 budget, Mr Abbott conceded on Monday that people would be disappointed next Tuesday.
"No one likes difficult decisions. Governments don't like difficult decisions ... but you’ve just got to make hard decisions at a time like this, otherwise our country is doomed to years of economic stagnation and I think in the long run, the voters will thank us for doing what is absolutely necessary," he said on Channel Nine's Today program.
Senior ministers will finalise the proposed levy this week at a time when a Galaxy Poll found Labor clearly in front of the Coalition, 52 to 48 per cent, two-party-preferred, and found 72 per cent of voters believed a deficit levy would be a broken promise,
The Australian Financial Review reports that opinions are divided in the government about the political wisdom and fiscal necessity of the proposed tax, which is understood to involve a temporary hit on high-income earners.
Mr Abbott did not confirm that there would be a new tax on Monday, saying he would not comment on the "detail" of the budget.
But he again stressed that the budget would be difficult.
"In the end, we're all in this together."
Mr Abbott's steadfast approach came after Education Minister Christopher Pyne brushed aside the notion the Coalition would be breaking an election promise if it introduced a deficit levy in the upcoming budget
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-says-voters-will-thank-the-coalition-in-the-long-run-as-deficit-levy-speculation-grows-20140505-zr4ne.html#ixzz30nObyv00
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Bloody Labor
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One term Tony is the worst PM in living memory.
:lol
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To think people actually voted for the snake on the basis they believed what he was saying :ROTFL
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Even Peter thinks the deficit levy/tax is a shocker.
:lol
Peter Costello warns Tony Abbott that proposed budget debt levy has 'no economic benefit'
By political reporter Latika Bourke
Peter Costello is warning Prime Minister Tony Abbott against breaking his promise not to introduce new taxes, saying the proposed debt levy has "no economic benefit".
The former treasurer's concerns are being echoed by the Government's Commission of Audit head, Tony Shepherd, who says fiscal "overcorrection" could hurt business and consumer confidence.
The Government has not yet said whether it will make the changes, but is considering introducing a new levy on higher income earners, arguing everyone needs to shoulder the burden of repaying the nation's debt.
Mr Costello, who the Prime Minister named head of the Future Fund earlier this year, says the Government's rationale is "political" and not economic.
"The argument for increasing income taxes through some kind of levy is all about the politics," writes Mr Costello.
"The proposed tax levy has no economic benefit; it will detract from growth by reducing consumption."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-06/costello-says-debt-levy-plan-has-no-economic-benefit/5432472
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I have to humbly disagree with the greatest treasurer this country ever had in Peter Costello. If we have less consumption then people for example will eat less which will mean people will lose weight which will mean less people get sick and end up in hospital meaning that health costs will fall substantially. No one should be eating anything or spending anything on anything ;D
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I have to humbly disagree with the greatest treasurer this country ever had in Peter Costello. If we have less consumption then people for example will eat less which will mean people will lose weight which will mean less people get sick and end up in hospital meaning that health costs will fall substantially. No one should be eating anything or spending anything on anything ;D
How does this fit intimate theory
Almost half of the world's food thrown away, report finds ...
www.theguardian.com › Environment › Food
Jan 10, 2013 - As much as half of all the food produced in the world – equivalent to 2bn tonnes – ends up as waste every year, engineers ...
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Debt levy set to be watered down to those warning over 150k yet you greenys will still complain
Great move TA now let's just water down this PPL and we are over the line at the next election
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Debt levy set to be watered down to those warning over 150k yet you greenys will still complain
Great move TA now let's just water down this PPL and we are over the line at the next election
This is good news, means I don't have to pay the stupid tax.
:cheers
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Now the OECD slams Abbots mooted budget! This government couldnt run an effing raffle! :nope
OECD warns government against harsh budget
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/oecd-warns-government-against-harsh-budget-20140506-zr5rk.html
A week away from the federal budget and the Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development has warned that Australia's economy is too fragile to absorb too many spending cuts.
The top economic body has also advised Australia’s economic authorities to consider intervening in the housing market to stop house prices rising too much.
The Abbott government will release its highly anticipated first budget on Tuesday, which is expected to be the harshest in years.
But the OECD – whose job it is to promote policies that will improve economic and social well-being – says the government should "avoid" pursuing too much "fiscal consolidation" at this stage in the economic cycle.
It comes after the Commission of Audit last week recommended radical spending cuts, paving the way for harsh measures around welfare, ageing and the unemployed.
But the OECD on Tuesday said resource-sector investment in Australia – which has been one of the main drivers of the economy in recent years – will keep declining as key global commodity markets cool. At the same time, non-mining parts of the economy are unlikely to pick up.
That means the Abbott government should not dampen the economy’s chance of a recovery by cutting too heavily, too quickly.
"Given the near-term uncertainties in the rebalancing of the economy away from investment in the resource sector, heavy front loading of fiscal consolidation should be avoided," the report warns.
"Against the backdrop of the projected recovery, monetary stimulus should start to be withdrawn in the first half of 2015."
The report says Australia’s economic output is projected to grow by 2.5 per cent in 2014, and nearly 3 per cent in 2015.
However, some economic slack will remain and the unemployment rate – at a relatively-high 5.8 per cent – will not begin to fall until the second half of next year.
That means there will be little inflation pressure, which supports the Reserve Bank’s decision on Tuesday to keep interest rates at historic lows of 2.5 per cent.
But the OECD report says Australia’s economic authorities should not "rule out" manipulating mortgage lending rules as a "targeted means" to cool the housing market if house prices continue to rise.
It says the RBA’s decision to keep interest rates at record lows has been important for Australia’s economic recovery, but it has led to a search for return by investors that "requires close prudential oversight of markets".
"Tellingly, investors account for much of the recent increase in the number of housing-loan approvals," the report says.
The OECD report also points out that the Abbott government’s decision to hand $8 billion dollars to the Reserve Bank to help the RBA top up its reserve fund has contributed to the Abbott government’s projected deficit.
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Is WP there?
Just wanted to hear your thoughts on TA plans to cut middle welfare
Surely even you being as biased as you are are happy he took this stance or you going to deflect to other issues
stuff ALP has stuffed this country up
Yes I am here
Let's just a get a few things clear though
Firstly the bulk of these middle class welfare payments were introduced by the Howard Govt - you know amongst other things that liltte thing called the baby bonus? That was a Howard Govt policy not Labors. It was then and is today a joke. It was wrong and it was never sustainable. The Audit commission report makes mention of these things
All political parties are guilty of throwing money at those who didn't need it. They have all increased welfare payments overtime to win voters. Suggest you remove your bias to towards the last govt and acknowledge that fact. They are all guilty of it
Am I happy that they going to cut some middle class welfare payments? Yes but and this isn't being biased I am angry that he is going to keep his Paid Parental leave Scheme. Yes it's been watered down but it shouldn't be introduced at all. If things are so dire as Hockey & Abbott keep banging on about then why go ahead with it? Oh that's right we dont break our promises. But wait a minute..... more on that later
God help the disabled, who knows what his plans are for the NDIS, seeing the Audit commission has recommended changes to that
As for what he intends to do pensions going forward. Well that borders on criminal.
I have said this before there is 2 groups that deserve as much help as they can get and thats pensioners & the disabled. Based on what's been reported about the upcoming budget he is failing them and that's a disgrace. That's not biased or political that is about treating those less fortunate the right way
And isn't it fantastic to see he is a typical pollie breaking promises.
No new taxes he bellowed pre election.
Now we are likely to have to pay a new levy. Which when using Tony's logic is in fact a tax because when the Floods levy was introduced Tony said that was a tax not a levy. But now it seems it is a levy not a tax.
So yes happy he is getting rid of some middle class welfare but would be happier if he flicked his stupid Pd Parental Leave Scheme, flicked some of the perks still afford to retired pollies and showed all us that the "age of entitlement" is indeed over across the board not just in certain places
sorry WP but you are biased and so is your opinion esp re: PPL where mine is not otherwise i would be furious with the debt levy which i am not and applauding the proposed PPL scheme.
Why didnt your beloved Labour attempt to remove the scheme? Facts are most developed countries have something similar in particular the best performing ones who have a larger . I don't agree with the abbott proposal but the current form is fine.
so the new tax levy is being watered down to those over 150k and your thoughts on that are?
re: pensioners
Hasn't the eligibility age of 65 been the same for 100 years, so you would think with medicine we are living longer so IMO it should be adjusted with life expectancy.
While we are at it, include the family home as an asset.
Sorry but there are middle/high class Australians with 2/3/4 million dollar homes paid off, receiving the full pension and that's wrong.
I say follow the audit and include the family home regardless of value.
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U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 06 May 2014 at 11:04:36 PM GMT is:
$ 1 7 , 4 7 5 , 6 9 4 , 4 2 0 , 4 7 9 . 7 4
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
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Bloody Labor
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Check out the fat cat Libs that are in charge of cutting pensions.
:lol
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasurer-joe-hockey-and-finance-minister-mathias-cormann-pictured-smoking-cigars-ahead-of-tough-budget-20140509-zr8i3.html
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no, money down!
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Have to wonder where all the Abbott lovers have gone?
:banghead
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happy with all the cuts, and i say keep going. Not done enough. Lose the PPL scheme, keep the current form and it will be a 10/10 budget.
Not far enough with the pension should have increased it beyond 70 and included the family home as an asset.
Hope the bonus to hire over 50's passes through as i wouldn't mind putting my parents on the books for a $10,000 collect pp which il give straight back to them.
TA budget will be one of the best ever presented IMO and very much required.
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you should have voted ALP then big Angus. after all, they were the ones going to make all the cuts and increase taxes, werent they?
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negative, Labour cannot be trusted now or in the future.
I voted for the only party that can continue to propel this country into prosperity. You greeny's keep voting for your carbon crap and the extra 5 cents a week you may get from your pension now or in 20 years.
As i said he didnt go hard enough. $7 visits to the GP, should be triple that and free for pensioners. Lets see how many bludgers would be getting the medical certificates then. Slashing middle class and cutting Public service jobs/Polly high end positions, absolute masterstroke.
Unfortunately for you fellas, the Libs will be here for a long time so suck it up princesses
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negative, Labour cannot be trusted now or in the future.
I voted for the only party that can continue to propel this country into prosperity. You greeny's keep voting for your carbon crap and the extra 5 cents a week you may get from your pension now or in 20 years.
As i said he didnt go hard enough. $7 visits to the GP, should be triple that and free for pensioners. Lets see how many bludgers would be getting the medical certificates then. Slashing middle class and cutting Public service jobs/Polly high end positions, absolute masterstroke.
Unfortunately for you fellas, the Libs will be here for a long time so suck it up princesses
Not a greeny, i float with whatever government best represents my interests, which varies over time.
Ive been critical of both major parties in the past.
My beef with the current govt are thrice.
1) selling the lie and scaremongering that the economy is buggered to raise taxes and make cuts. Newsflash ~ it certainly isnt anywhere as bad as what is being portrayed. In this context, any deviation from policy and controversial tax/cut need to be brutaly scrutinised. The fact many people in the electorate have swallowed this lie just shows how gullible people are. The reality is its all a revenue raiser to be blown in spending in 2 years time.
2) The complete 180 policy direction re tax increases and cuts to other areas represents one of the most stunningly and compehensively dishonest political about faces in Australian Political History. If this is the new standard of governance then it represents a new low in our democratic system.
3) Abbott is nuts and Hockey is a village idiot. ;D
Anyways will be interesting to see the actual budget announcement and what happens from here
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Bastards.
Budget pain? Not for millionaires who pay no tax
May 13, 2014
Peter Martin
Economics Editor, The Age
“Pain all round” will be the rallying cry of the night. Joe Hockey says his first budget - tonight - will hit everyone from high earners to politicians to Australians too poor to pay to see the doctor. All of us will have to “contribute budget repair”.
Except that we won’t.
The latest tax statistics show 75 ultra-high-earning Australians paid no tax at all in 2011-12. Zero. Zip.
Each earned more than $1 million from investments or wages. Between them they made $195 million, an average of $2.6 million each.
The fortunate 75 paid no income tax, no Medicare levy and no Medicare surcharge, even though 60 of them had private health insurance.
The reason? They managed to cut their combined taxable incomes to $82. That’s right, $1.10 each.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/budget-pain-not-for-millionaires-who-pay-no-tax-20140512-zr9o3.html#ixzz31YfkTtUw
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Not far enough with the pension should have increased it beyond 70 and included the family home as an asset.
And what should the retirement age be raised to? Perhaps we just don't have one and people just keep working until they drop.
Suggest you have a chat to people who work 15 hours days doing manual work and see how at 45-50 y.o. their bodies are failing them. And explain to them how they are supposed to keep going until 70 or longer
And you reckon that a pensioner whose only asset is there home, who struggles to survive on the current $300-$350 odd bucks a week should lose part of their pension because their only asset is worth say $500-$600k
Really?
Because that is what you are suggesting.
There are people out there in the real world who have no savings, live week to week and all they have to show for their years of working is their home and you want to take away from them?
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peoples family home should not be included. house prices have gone through the roof. people are paying major money to buy dumps. if some pensioners have a 2nd home or an holiday house then yes that must be included but if someone brought a house in Richmond say back in 1980 for say $25,000 and that house is worth $800,000+ its not their fault.
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Bloody Labor, have a lot to answer for
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Bloody Labor, have a lot to answer for
yes how they allowed this mob in is a disgrace.
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Not far enough with the pension should have increased it beyond 70 and included the family home as an asset.
And what should the retirement age be raised to? Perhaps we just don't have one and people just keep working until they drop.
Suggest you have a chat to people who work 15 hours days doing manual work and see how at 45-50 y.o. their bodies are failing them. And explain to them how they are supposed to keep going until 70 or longer
And you reckon that a pensioner whose only asset is there home, who struggles to survive on the current $300-$350 odd bucks a week should lose part of their pension because their only asset is worth say $500-$600k
Really?
Because that is what you are suggesting.
There are people out there in the real world who have no savings, live week to week and all they have to show for their years of working is their home and you want to take away from them?
Yes i do. Why should people with a home valued at more than the medium have it excluded and get welfare at the same time.
Simple downsize it buy something smaller and you get your welfare.
The best thing the government could do it is have it included for say over 600k properties and anything less scaled down.
This wonderful system has people sitting on a property worth millions collecting welfare and laughing all the way to the bank
As for raising the eligibility well we are living longer so dont you think 65 had to change after being on that figure for many years.
Good budget but not hard enough. My hat goes off to TA
Lastly WP you were up in arms and have been so for a while now about cutting middle welfare but you cant bring it upon yourself to approve his middle cuts. Its a big blow to Fam Tax A and b recipients, whilst those over 180k are copping it sweet.
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We are all very pleased for you and your parents :clapping
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Yes i do. Why should people with a home valued at more than the medium have it excluded and get welfare at the same time.
Simple downsize it buy something smaller and you get your welfare.
You really are serious, quite scary to be honest
Why? because it's the only bloody asset they have. If they have savings of $1000 in the bank how the hell are they supposed to live if their pension is cut? Just because you own your home doesn't mean you are wealthy.
Downsize? Newsflash you don't get "your welfare" because if you sell a house for $600k and buy a retirement unit for say $350k then you will get no welfare because you have too much cash. ::)
The best thing the government could do it is have it included for say over 600k properties and anything less scaled down.
This wonderful system has people sitting on a property worth millions collecting welfare and laughing all the way to the bank
See above. It is really sad that you have no concept of the difference between "cash wealth" (eg cash in the bank, shares, etc) and someone owning a home.
Here's a history lesson. Our family home which my Mum bought in 1975 when my Dad died cost her $38k. When she sold it nearly 40 years later to live near us because her health was failing it was worth more than 10 times that amount. Are you seriously suggesting she didn't deserve a pension simply because of her postcode? Just because she didn't have a mortgage she certainly wasn't rich.
As for raising the eligibility well we are living longer so dont you think 65 had to change after being on that figure for many years.
Good budget but not hard enough. My hat goes off to TA
Yep great budget by Abbott, that very decent man you keep harping on about who is now just like Gillard a liar who breaks election promises
Truly great job
Lastly WP you were up in arms and have been so for a while now about cutting middle welfare but you cant bring it upon yourself to approve his middle cuts. Its a big blow to Fam Tax A and b recipients, whilst those over 180k are copping it sweet.
Thank you for proving that you only read and take in what suits you
For the god knows who many times I will repeat. I am very pleased that they have cut middle class welfare but (a) it doesn't cut deep enough and (b) it loses it impact with their pathetic and immoral PPL scheme remaining. He's robbed from area to pay for another. You want to make a statement then don't go ahead with something you cant' afford. You want to break promises then the PPL was the one that should have been broken
But in the next breath you punish those who struggle the most, the elderly. I have not changed my view on pensioners, have been very consistent you don't punish those who have paid taxes all their lives and barely survive from pension to pension. They link pension increases to the inflation rate. But pensioners get his hit the hardest with GP payments, PBS increases, the fuel levy increases etc. Guarantee you that no pension increase will cover all the other things they've been slugged with..
And what about his $250mil for putting Chaplains, yes Chaplains in schools. What a waste of money but gee he's done a really good job there hasn't he? Don't think there is anything you can say to justify that little money waster. But Tony's a decent family man so it must be good
I say this with no disrespect intended but you really need to get into the real world, walk a mile in someone elses shoes because you really don't get how hard it is for people that we should be supporting not whacking
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The rich can still keep their same rorts by off setting most of their income through negative gearing and superannuation concessions etc.
Lmao WP you serious that $250mill being spent to continue the school chaplaincy program? Instead of finally squeezing money from these pigs they throw more at them.
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http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/04/news/economy/buffett-secretary-taxes/
http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx_mobile.html
The game is fixed. Blind if you cannot see it
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Please do much cash. Try tell that to the people getting the pension living in affluent suburbs.
WP I see plenty of the real world and that's filthy rich people collecting the pension with assets hidden through their different means, whilst still collecting their max pension cheques.
As for your mums house if you read I did say less than the medium not elderly who have a house worth 400k. I would target those who own million dollar homes for a start and scale down.
Plenty of governments have had a chance to snip the N Gearing Dooks but noone has the balls to do it. Who introduced it anyway???
You labour one eyed people need to open your eyes. I did about 7 years ago when Rudd wasted all that money on rubbish. If you want to blame someone start with him
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We are all very pleased for you and your parents :clapping
Not sure what you meant by that, but usually means you have nothing else to say, very common with the uneducated. Either delete your stupid post or delete my folks from there. Simple request.
Here this pal
My dad is more Labour than Labour. He donates his time to the local member for Bruce assisting whenever he can. Every election, state or federal, he is there. They all know him down there.
He breaths the ALP.
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Just hope mumma and pappa enjoy the 20k comrade. No need to get down
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Lmao WP you serious that $250mill being spent to continue the school chaplaincy program? Instead of finally squeezing money from these pigs they throw more at them.
yes dwaino, new prgram announced last night
$250 mil for Chaplains in schools
Strip funding from health but at least kids will have a Chaplain to talk to at school :clapping
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Please do much cash. Try tell that to the people getting the pension living in affluent suburbs.
WP I see plenty of the real world and that's filthy rich people collecting the pension with assets hidden through their different means, whilst still collecting their max pension cheques.
As for your mums house if you read I did say less than the medium not elderly who have a house worth 400k. I would target those who own million dollar homes for a start and scale down.
Plenty of governments have had a chance to snip the N Gearing Dooks but noone has the balls to do it. Who introduced it anyway???
You labour one eyed people need to open your eyes. I did about 7 years ago when Rudd wasted all that money on rubbish. If you want to blame someone start with him
No Angus you need to open your eyes.
If our old family home sold today it would go for close to $800-$850k so in your world my late Mum who had no real savings ($5k aint savings), lived on $300 a week to pay for food, electricity, gas, water, rates, insurance and everything else would have to have her pension cut simply because of where she lived. Because you are classifying her as wealthy because of her postcode. Sorry but that isn't fair and it isn't real. BTW I know a lot of pensioners that are in this boat.
Again sorry but using my late mother as example she deserved a pension, she worked bloody hard, she paid taxes, she raised 2 kids under 10 when she lost her husband and you think people like her don't deserve a pension. Again no disrespect but you are wrong to even suggest that people like that should be stripped of their pensions and other entitlements. It is nothing short of disgusting
I am not disputing there are older Australians who rort the system, they are the ones who are "cash wealthy" and they should lose their benefits but to throw every single penisioner into the same boat is not realistic
Suggest you open your eyes. For 3 years you went on about Gillard lying, breaking promises and now Abbott has done the same thing.
I am all for the age of entitlement being over for those who have know right to these "entitlements" but to attack those who deserve the help is a outside of being disgraceful is gutless and deceitful. And thats what Abbott is doing
But at least your kids will have a chaplain to chat to at school in the future :thumbsup
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heaven forbid we dont attack those who need money the most as wasteful spending.
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Slow the pension, extend the pension age, cut 500 million dollars from aboriginal programs, cut funding to health and education, increase prescription medication and doctors visits. all permanent. etc etc etc
but spend 200 million on chaplains countless billions on warplanes, impose a temporary tax hike on the rich 10% and only freeze pollies pay for 12 months. oh yeah bringback knighthoods too.
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On a slightly different note, did anyone see Laury Oakes interview of Joe Hockey asking why before announcing the budget he was dancing in his office to 'this is the best night of my life'?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9yuhiu-n1PA
Hockey was absolutely lost for words.
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I think the scariest thing about this budget has been that when people fall on hard times there has always been a safety net there for them to fall back on. Not so it seems now for our youth with the six month wait for Newstart. Basically, the youth of Australia are our future, we don't need them living on the streets or turning to crime to support themselves. Actually, in this AFFLUENT country, no person should be living on the streets.
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Not sure what you meant by that, but usually means you have nothing else to say, very common with the uneducated. Either delete your stupid post or delete my folks from there. Simple request.
Here this pal
My dad is more Labour than Labour. He donates his time to the local member for Bruce assisting whenever he can. Every election, state or federal, he is there. They all know him down there.
He breaths the ALP.
It's Labor not Labour.
:cheers
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I think the scariest thing about this budget has been that when people fall on hard times there has always been a safety net there for them to fall back on. Not so it seems now for our youth with the six month wait for Newstart. Basically, the youth of Australia are our future, we don't need them living on the streets or turning to crime to support themselves. Actually, in this AFFLUENT country, no person should be living on the streets.
Countries like Sweden have proved a social safety net don't work ;D
Highest standard living. Highest happiness etc
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I think the scariest thing about this budget has been that when people fall on hard times there has always been a safety net there for them to fall back on. Not so it seems now for our youth with the six month wait for Newstart. Basically, the youth of Australia are our future, we don't need them living on the streets or turning to crime to support themselves. Actually, in this AFFLUENT country, no person should be living on the streets.
News flash: in all countries people are living on the streets
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Oh dear lol
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Not sure what you meant by that, but usually means you have nothing else to say, very common with the uneducated. Either delete your stupid post or delete my folks from there. Simple request.
Here this pal
My dad is more Labour than Labour. He donates his time to the local member for Bruce assisting whenever he can. Every election, state or federal, he is there. They all know him down there.
He breaths the ALP.
It's Labor not Labour.
:cheers
They need to change their name then, should change it to birth labour as they are so bloody painful
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I think the scariest thing about this budget has been that when people fall on hard times there has always been a safety net there for them to fall back on. Not so it seems now for our youth with the six month wait for Newstart. Basically, the youth of Australia are our future, we don't need them living on the streets or turning to crime to support themselves. Actually, in this AFFLUENT country, no person should be living on the streets.
News flash: in all countries people are living on the streets
oh my stars :-[
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I think the scariest thing about this budget has been that when people fall on hard times there has always been a safety net there for them to fall back on. Not so it seems now for our youth with the six month wait for Newstart. Basically, the youth of Australia are our future, we don't need them living on the streets or turning to crime to support themselves. Actually, in this AFFLUENT country, no person should be living on the streets.
News flash: in all countries people are living on the streets
During the commonwealth games the homeless were given free homes for two weeks
Then shunted back under the bridges
What a wonderful country this is
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What a wonderful country this is
Yep it is
Go overseas for an extended period and you'll soon realise that despite our faults and problems (and yes we do have them) this is still a fantastic place to live.
Best country in the world :clapping
On a slightly different note, did anyone see Laury Oakes interview of Joe Hockey asking why before announcing the budget he was dancing in his office to 'this is the best night of my life'?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9yuhiu-n1PA
Hockey was absolutely lost for words.
Yes it was priceless and then uses his son as the reason for his hot shoe shuffle. What a terrific family man we have there :clapping
Slow the pension, extend the pension age, cut 500 million dollars from aboriginal programs, cut funding to health and education, increase prescription medication and doctors visits. all permanent. etc etc etc
interesting point you raise about funding cuts to indigenous programs Dooks
Would like to know the impact this is going to have on the Koormanji Institute at Richmond. They do fabulous work there, hope it isn't going to axed
But then again if it is there will always be a Chaplain at some school to talk to about it
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ive just returned from Vienna, Zurich and Munich tour and let me tell you, its a let down. ;)
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ive just returned from Vienna, Zurich and Munich tour and let me tell you, its a let down. ;)
Gee Switzerland one of the most affluent countries in the world (fabulous too BTW) that has some of the highest cost of living in the world
A tour is one thing where so many things are paid for as part of the tour. I am talking about living there having to pay for everything yourself with no handouts
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Not sure what you meant by that, but usually means you have nothing else to say, very common with the uneducated. Either delete your stupid post or delete my folks from there. Simple request.
Here this pal
My dad is more Labour than Labour. He donates his time to the local member for Bruce assisting whenever he can. Every election, state or federal, he is there. They all know him down there.
He breaths the ALP.
It's Labor not Labour.
:cheers
sorry teacher
can always count on you picking it up
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Scandinavian countries have hand outs and excellent quality of life
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Not sure what you meant by that, but usually means you have nothing else to say, very common with the uneducated. Either delete your stupid post or delete my folks from there. Simple request.
Here this pal
My dad is more Labour than Labour. He donates his time to the local member for Bruce assisting whenever he can. Every election, state or federal, he is there. They all know him down there.
He breaths the ALP.
It's Labor not Labour.
:cheers
No Angus is correct.....it's Labour who can't even spell their own name properly.
Mind you, the other mob are misnamed completely.
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Scandinavian countries have hand outs and excellent quality of life
They also tax the arse out of mining and resources because they understand that the resources are finite and since the mines are only leased, if the current fat pig of a tenant doesn't like it the next one will.
Wingnut had a gift horse in the mineral and resource and carbon taxes, could have kept them and continued to blame the other pricks. Unfortunately wasn't in the interest of the plutocracy.
Too busy worrying about himself and his mates and forgot to involve the states:
Victorian Treasurer Michael O’Brien said the suggestion of an $80 billion reduction in federal expenditure over the next decade was a worrying sign of cost-shifting to the states which Victoria — the only state with predicted budget surpluses over the next four years — would fight.
“When we handed down the Victorian budget last Tuesday we put extra money into Victorian hospitals, extra money into Victorian schools,” he said.
“We didn’t put that extra money in so that the federal government could take money out.
“We’re not doing it to improve the federal budget’s bottom line.
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/states-prepare-for-battle-over-budget-cuts-to-schools-hospitals/story-fn59niix-1226917083021#
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Go overseas for an extended period and you'll soon realise that despite our faults and problems (and yes we do have them) this is still a fantastic place to live.
Best country in the world :clapping
I used to think that. Whilst still better than most I'm not as certain of that statement these days..and yes I travel a fair bit.
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Go overseas for an extended period and you'll soon realise that despite our faults and problems (and yes we do have them) this is still a fantastic place to live.
Best country in the world :clapping
I used to think that. Whilst still better than most I'm not as certain of that statement these days..and yes I travel a fair bit.
Must be travelling to different countries than me
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Abbott carried on for three years about Julia's lie (no carbon tax) and yet...
Then and now: the Abbott government's broken promises
May 14, 2014 - 4:46PM
On the eve of the 2013 federal election Tony Abbott promised no cuts to education, health, or the ABC and SBS, and no changes to pensions. Fairfax Media looks at how those promises fared in the Abbott government's first budget.
Broadcasting
“...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget.
Education, health
“No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade.
“We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013)
All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks.
Taxes
“No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012)
The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000.
Pensions
"No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation.
Foreign Aid
“From 2014/15, the $5 billion aid budget will grow each year in line with the Consumer Price Index” (Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, January 2014)
The Treasurer revealed foreign aid would be frozen, leading to a massive $7.6 billion cut over next 5 years.
Indigenous affairs
"The Coalition will continue the current level of funding expended on Closing the Gap activities." (Coalition policy document, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget cut $500 million through the consolidation of 150 programs.
Environment
‘‘ARENA will have over $2.5 billion in funds to manage." (Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane, November 2013)
The ARENA (the Australian Reneweable Energy Agency) has been axed.
"The Coalition will promote the use of solar energy by Australian families and households. It will ensure at least one million additional solar homes or community centres by 2020." (Greg Hunt, December 2011)
Tuesday's budget scrapped the government's Direct Action policy to fund rebates for the installation of solar panels and deliver 1 million solar roofs.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz31fdyfsvf
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LMAO.
But this the man who admitted theer are core promises and promises which its OK to break, not that he makes any distinction as they ooze from his slimy gob.
And blind fools who love everything tea party will bury their head in the sand and think that the just because they vote for them they can do no wrong.
The cutting of funding for the health and education to the states in an effort to get the states to beg for the GST to be raised would have to be the most gutless, evil act of conniving that any government in our history has performed.
As long as the blind followers continue to refuse to hold one party to account while only ever seeing wrong in the other, this sort of contempt by our pollies will only get worse.
if someone shoots abbot or hockey I will celebrate. Low life pigs.
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Conniving, premeditated and ethically appauling.
how many seats would the lieberal party have won if they detailed their budget prior to the election? would be political suicide if they did and the A L P would win in a landslide.
Id rather a redhead than a Fiberal idiot
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This is a stunning comment:-
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Billions cut from real education but $250mill spent on mythology. Inb4 national prayer day.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/14/budget-it-will-be-chaplains-not-secular-social-workers-at-schools?CMP=soc_568#comments
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Billions cut from real education but $250mill spent on mythology. Inb4 national prayer day.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/14/budget-it-will-be-chaplains-not-secular-social-workers-at-schools?CMP=soc_568#comments
Yep I told ya yesterday dwaino, $250mil on Chaplains in school to teach kids amongst other things values.. a John Howard dream it seems, and we all no know that Johnny was Tone's hero.
Interesting I watched some show on ch24 last night (ABC News channel) called "the drum" and they did a quick summary of 3 cases and how the budget changes would effect each. They looked at the increases in the fuel levy, medicare payments, changes to family benefit B etc and other things directly effecting each case
First one was a pensioner - they concluded with the medicare, PBS changes, the one off yearly couples payment then the pensioner was $1548 worse off under this budget
2nd was a couple with kids on $200k-250k a year, they would be $589 worse off -
3rd was a single mother worked out she'd be over $4k worse off
Thought the idea was for high income earners to bare the brunt of this "sharing the pain" mantra
Not quite sure how based on the examples they gave last night you can say that is the case
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Billions cut from real education but $250mill spent on mythology. Inb4 national prayer day.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/14/budget-it-will-be-chaplains-not-secular-social-workers-at-schools?CMP=soc_568#comments
Yep I told ya yesterday dwaino, $250mil on Chaplains in school to teach kids amongst other things values.. a John Howard dream it seems, and we all no know that Johnny was Tone's hero.
Interesting I watched some show on ch24 last night (ABC News channel) called "the drum" and they did a quick summary of 3 cases and how the budget changes would effect each. They looked at the increases in the fuel levy, medicare payments, changes to family benefit B etc and other things directly effecting each case
First one was a pensioner - they concluded with the medicare, PBS changes, the one off yearly couples payment then the pensioner was $1548 worse off under this budget
2nd was a couple with kids on $200k-250k a year, they would be $589 worse off -
3rd was a single mother worked out she'd be over $4k worse off
Thought the idea was for high income earners to bare the brunt of this "sharing the pain" mantra
Not quite sure how based on the examples they gave last night you can say that is the case
Not sure you have given enough detail to pass judgement. i.e what income is the single mother earning. 100/150k? Cant see how she would be worse off by 4k unless she has lost some entitlements along the way, and if that's the case maybe she doesn't need welfare.
As for those figures of a couple earning 250k i would say its right given the levy is only for amounts over 180k which works out to be barely nothing. I don't agree with that at all
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Not sure you have given enough detail to pass judgement. i.e what income is the single mother earning. 100/150k? Cant see how she would be worse off by 4k unless she has lost some entitlements along the way, and if that's the case maybe she doesn't need welfare.
As for those figures of a couple earning 250k i would say its right given the levy is only for amounts over 180k which works out to be barely nothing. I don't agree with that at all
Oops
Should have said single mother is on less than $45k a year and is about to lose Family Benefit B because one of the kids is about to turn 6 or something
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Not sure you have given enough detail to pass judgement. i.e what income is the single mother earning. 100/150k? Cant see how she would be worse off by 4k unless she has lost some entitlements along the way, and if that's the case maybe she doesn't need welfare.
As for those figures of a couple earning 250k i would say its right given the levy is only for amounts over 180k which works out to be barely nothing. I don't agree with that at all
Oops
Should have said single mother is on less than $45k a year and is about to lose Family Benefit B because one of the kids is about to turn 6 or something
fair enough
yeah i agree that's wrong. Someone on 200k shouldn't be better off than someone on 45k from this budget.
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A bit of Tony bashing (more exciting than the Footy ATM)
Tony Abbott's name is mud
May 15, 2014
Mike Carlton
Well, I can understand why just at the moment politicians aren’t much trusted because we’ve had too many politicians who say one thing before an election to win votes and then do the opposite after the election…
Tony Abbott, Newcastle radio, June 13, 2013.
The Prime Minister is a liar. There is no point mincing words. We have never seen anything like it.
With this budget he has shown himself to be cynically dishonest on a scale unprecedented in modern politics. Although Abbott is not the first political leader to break an election promise and will not be the last, no prime minister in memory, Liberal or Labor, has come even close to his contemptuous deception of the electorate he sucker-punched on Tuesday.
To a point, this is not surprising. All my adult life I have been lied to by the Tories, from the Vietnam war on down to John Howard's invention of the non-core promise. I was therefore expecting duplicity from Abbott. It's what people like him do, how they think, how they govern.
But it was genuinely shocking to see his wholesale abandonment of the bargain of candour to be expected between leader and people. Almost every significant commitment he made in the election campaign last year has been flung overboard or distorted beyond recognition.
No cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS.
Tony Abbott, SBS NEWS – September 6, 2013
There are five separate betrayals in that lot alone. The most heinous is his full frontal assault upon Medicare, with even the poorest families forced to fork out a $7 "co-payment" – as the euphemism goes – to see their GP, to get a pathology test, to have a CT scan, to fill a prescription. It's a tax from a government that promised no new taxes. Pay it, or join the ever-lengthening queue at your local hospital's emergency department, where Abbott has given them the green light to charge you as well.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-name-is-mud-20140515-zrd9w.html#ixzz31xDehDZ8
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Disgraceful, how anybody can continue to support this behindhole I will never know.
Labor giving green light to budget's deficit levy
May 17, 2014
Mark Kenny, Heath Aston
Labor is set to wave through Tony Abbott's controversial deficit levy on high-income earners as shadow ministers argue they must pick their fights and make the government ''carry the can for breaking election promises''.
It comes as modelling by the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling for the opposition found the top fifth of income earners got off extremely lightly in the budget, losing just 0.3 per cent of their income - even with the debt levy - compared with the poorest fifth, which loses nearly 5 per cent.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-giving-green-light-to-budgets-deficit-levy-20140516-38fgd.html#ixzz31xMygTmZ
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As alleged "socialists", I would've thought a levy on higher income earners is one measure Labor(sic) would support.
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As alleged "socialists", I would've thought a levy on higher income earners is one measure Labor(sic) would support.
Just one of a long list of lies he said to get into power.
He need to suffer and suffer he will.
Let's see how well he copes with a hostile Senate.
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Class warfare.
'Missing' figures show poor are hit
May 19, 2014
Peter Martin
Economics Editor, The Age
Information withheld from the budget shows high income couples may suffer scarcely at all while low income families on benefits could lose as much as 10 per cent of their incomes.
The information, normally included in the budget, calls into question the Treasurer's claim that "everyone is being asked to make a contribution".
Inserted into the 2005 budget by treasurer Peter Costello and included in every budget since, the table is usually titled "Detailed family outcomes".
It sets out the way in which the budget measures make different types of families better or worse off. In 2005 Mr Costello displayed the results for six family types at 15 different levels of incomes.
In 2009 Labor's Wayne Swan expanded the coverage to display the results as percentage changes in income as well as changes in dollars earned each week.
The table was also produced to justify the changes that ushered in the goods and services tax in 2000 and the carbon tax in 2012.
Joe Hockey's budget is the first without it.
ANU public policy experts Peter Whiteford and Daniel Nethery have crunched the numbers on all the personal tax and benefit changes in Mr Hockey's budget to replicate the missing table.
Their findings, published by Fairfax Media today, show people on benefits suffer far more from the budget than those on high incomes. The worst off is an unemployed 23-year-old whose income will slide to be 18.3 per cent worse off as a result of the budget.
A single parent on the parenting payment with one child aged six will be 10.2 per cent worse off.
In contrast, someone earning three times the average wage will lose just 0.9 per cent of their take-home income.
A high-income childless couple earning $360,000 a year will lose nothing whatsoever.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/missing-figures-show-poor-are-hit-20140518-38i05.html#ixzz326eGHdxE
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Who would have thought? screwing the working to middle class, rewarding the fat cats and silvertails.
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Would like to know if any of our OER Liberal voters are having second thoughts.
Seems to have gone awfully quiet in here ATM.
:lol
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Nah you just bore me silly with your crap though
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I know most of will go "WGAF" but this article highlights the current thinking by the government.
Lodge renovation hidden from the public as cost blows out to $4.45m
May 19, 2014 - 3:00AM
Tom McIlroy
Legislative Assembly reporter at The Canberra Times
Internal documents show requests for information from The Canberra Times have been denied on the grounds that it could generate ''negative comments'' about the project.
Staff in Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s office have blocked the release of information on the year-long restoration of The Lodge, fearing "negative comments" about the $4.45 million project.
As contractors continue major works at the prime minister's official residence in Deakin, internal documents show bureaucrats were instructed to give purposefully vague responses to requests for information from The Canberra Times.
Released under Freedom of Information rules, a series of emails show officials in the Finance Department were told not to provide any explanation or identify Mr Abbott's office or the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet as being responsible for the decision.
One senior bureaucrat said Mr Abbott’s staff could be concerned about privacy or a poor reaction to the information being made public.
''Just say the visit has not been approved and you are unaware of the reasons,'' the Finance Department official instructed a colleague via email in March.
''Don’t identify PM&C or the PMO as the decision makers, just leave it vague.''
Works to repair the slate roof, remove asbestos and replace electrical wiring and climate systems began in September.
The Canberra Times first hoped to give readers a look at the restoration in November 2013, but documents show the request set off a flurry of bureaucratic activity over more than five months.
No answer was received until March this year. Journalists and photographers have traditionally had regular access to events and photo opportunities at The Lodge.
Separate emails show Finance Department officials had recommended the media be given access in November and February after the removal of asbestos was complete.
''On balance – noting both pros and cons – we’re of the view that we should permit the visit in the interests of transparency,'' he wrote on February 4.
Another official said it was "better to be open and transparent than secretive" but said journalists should be "kept to the agreed message."
On February 28, an official was told Mr Abbott's office ''does not agree to the proposed visit by a journalist''.
The cost of the renovations and security concerns were not considered in the decision.
Senate documents showed in April that the project had blown out to $4.45 million, up from the original estimate of $3.19 million.
Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/lodge-renovation-hidden-from-the-public-as-cost-blows-out-to-445m-20140514-zrc7x.html#ixzz327lzAny9
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Nah you just bore me silly with your crap though
We have a government that is trying to change the nature of our society, a government that is so arrogant that it won't admit that it lied to the public and you're bored by my crap.
:lol
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I know most of will go "WGAF" but this article highlights the current thing by the government.
That's all right pls keep enlightening us
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I know most of will go "WGAF" but this article highlights the current thing by the government.
That's all right pls keep enlightening us
So would you vote for Abbott if the election was called today?
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Who would have thought? screwing the working to middle class, rewarding the fat cats and silvertails.
Yes how surprising
Eat the rich :whistle
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I know most of will go "WGAF" but this article highlights the current thing by the government.
That's all right pls keep enlightening us
So would you vote for Abbott if the election was called today?
I would vote for anyone over Labor
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Would like to know if any of our OER Liberal voters are having second thoughts.
Seems to have gone awfully quiet in here ATM.
:lol
No second thoughts here at all '65. Had to be done and was always going to be an unpopular budget. That's the difference between a government of adults who govern in the best interests of the whole country and one that formulates policy on the back of beer coasters to according to what the minor parties, unions and opinion polls dictate. And like Chuck, I just couldn't be bothered responding to your articles sourced from the same leftist media all the time.
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Don't support any of the useless pricks but Abbott's currently playing Labor(sic) & the dopey, over-emotional left off a break and they're falling right into his trap.
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Don't support any of the useless pricks but Abbott's currently playing Labor(sic) & the dopey, over-emotional left off a break and they're falling right into his trap.
:lol
Good try.
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Don't support any of the useless pricks but Abbott's currently playing Labor(sic) & the dopey, over-emotional left off a break and they're falling right into his trap.
Indeed tactical mastermind
In 100 years they will be building shrines to him
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I'm all good. :thumbsup Just did the budget affect test with an impact score of zero :thumbsup
I don't get any Government handouts as I work for all my money. Maybe that is an incentive for others to do the same.
My wife is sick of her Mothers group's "stay at homes" whingeing about how they are going to be affected. My Wife works 4 days a week and still does everything they do with regards to the kids and the only difference is She doesn't get to play Tennis and do Coffee.
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Nah you just bore me silly with your crap though
yep.
Nothing worse than a pathetic greeny.
Should remove that sorry party from our system and be done with it.
well said Tiga, couldnt agree more.
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Good plan that adof :whistle
Bit undemocratic no
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It is all going to poo for the Libs.
Fears consumers will vote with their wallets
May 21, 2014
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
Nervous shoppers are threatening to close their wallets following the Coalition's hard-hitting budget, with consumer confidence falling at the fastest rate since before the global financial crisis, a major bank survey shows.
The ANZ-Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence survey charted a fall of 3.2 per cent since the budget, taking its index to 100.4 - a significant 14 points lower in a month and the fastest rate of descent since October 2008.
The dire news is fuelling retailers' fears that the budget itself, including the messy politics engulfing it, may have dampened business investment and consumer sentiment just when economic growth was showing signs of improved health.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fears-consumers-will-vote-with-their-wallets-20140520-38mnc.html#ixzz32IGKJyQs
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Nothing like generating another recession to get the country out of debt and build a stronger Australia....
These clowns have no idea what they are doing
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Nothing like generating another recession to get the country out of debt and build a stronger Australia....
These clowns have no idea what they are doing
and the rusted on Liberal supporters can't see it.
:banghead
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Nothing like generating another recession to get the country out of debt and build a stronger Australia....
These clowns have no idea what they are doing
and the rusted on Liberal supporters can't see it.
:banghead
rusted like a broken trailer
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"A dingo took my government handout!" Boo hoo. Get a Job Hippies.
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"A dingo took my government handout!" Boo hoo. Get a Job Hippies.
Not sure how much of this Budget will pass the Senate.
The Libs are in chaos.
I hope Abbott is crazy enough to call an election.
Malcolm Turnbull must be loving this.
:lol
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Crazy like a broken trailer
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"A dingo took my government handout!" Boo hoo. Get a Job Hippies.
Lots of jobs in Tasmania tree cutting and reef dumping in qld
Good work Tony :bow
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should be a few senior jobs in Canberra by the end of the year :whistle
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Class warfare.
Even I didn't think Abbott would be this bad.
Poorest families pay most in budget
May 22, 2014
Tom Allard
National Affairs Editor
(http://images.theage.com.au/2014/05/22/5445056/aw-graphic-620x349.jpg)
The poorest 20 per cent of Australian families will pay $1.1 billion more into government coffers than the richest households as a result of the budget, highlighting the huge inequity in the government's four-year blueprint for fiscal repair.
New analysis from the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling (NATSEM) has crystallised how heavily the burden of budget consolidation has fallen on those less well-off, especially if they have school-age children.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poorest-families-pay-most-in-budget-20140521-38p5m.html#ixzz32ODpCgxE
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Good to see the gears of the consumer capitalist paradigm grinding on
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Good to see the gears of the consumer capitalist paradigm grinding on
Did you send that from your i-phone?
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I need my seven hundred dollar sneakers for my occupy protest thank you very much
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Easy to fix. Get off Welfare and go out and earn some money. There are too many people on welfare out there who are quite capable of getting a job but choose not to as it will affect their lifestyle.
Well I'm sorry, if you are able bodied and on welfare, being discerning is not an option you are entitled to. Now the Government is putting the pressure on them, they can either get off their backsides and find ways to earn some money or suffer.
I'm sorry but hard workers like myself who have never received government entitlements have very little patience for Dole bludgers whingeing about how its going to cost them more to live.
They've had too much for too long at the taxpayers expense.
A friend of mine is not highly educated and certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed but he works damn hard at 3 jobs and like me is also not affected by the government changes because his income from the three jobs combined give him some reasonable coin. Sure he doesn't have the greatest social life but his priority is to look after his family and be totally non-reliant on any government handouts.
He is the kind of person who should be in the spotlight instead of these whingeing namby pamby where's my handouts gone bludgers.
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I need my seven hundred dollar sneakers for my occupy protest thank you very much
i need my negative gearing subsidy to finance my 17th cbd penthouse, where i can watch protesters and scorn at them for not wearing Aldi brand shoes
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I need my seven hundred dollar sneakers for my occupy protest thank you very much
i need my negative gearing subsidy to finance my 17th cbd penthouse, where i can watch protesters and scorn at them for not wearing Aldi brand shoes
Paying lots of tax means you are working hard. Legitimately finding ways to pay less tax is just common sense. At least you are still contributing to the country by paying tax ne c'est pas??
Rather than having a go at these people, why not have a crack at the ones who pay no tax at all.
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Easy to fix. Get off Welfare and go out and earn some money. There are too many people on welfare out there who are quite capable of getting a job but choose not to as it will affect their lifestyle.
Well I'm sorry, if you are able bodied and on welfare, being discerning is not an option you are entitled to. Now the Government is putting the pressure on them, they can either get off their backsides and find ways to earn some money or suffer.
I'm sorry but hard workers like myself who have never received government entitlements have very little patience for Dole bludgers whingeing about how its going to cost them more to live.
They've had too much for too long at the taxpayers expense.
A friend of mine is not highly educated and certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed but he works damn hard at 3 jobs and like me is also not affected by the government changes because his income from the three jobs combined give him some reasonable coin. Sure he doesn't have the greatest social life but his priority is to look after his family and be totally non-reliant on any government handouts.
He is the kind of person who should be in the spotlight instead of these whingeing namby pamby where's my handouts gone bludgers.
You may be employed but your posting stats suggest maybe not such a hard worker.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=146
:lol
and mine are not much better (or is that worse?)
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I need my seven hundred dollar sneakers for my occupy protest thank you very much
i need my negative gearing subsidy to finance my 17th cbd penthouse, where i can watch protesters and scorn at them for not wearing Aldi brand shoes
Paying lots of tax means you are working hard.
incorrect
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Easy to fix. Get off Welfare and go out and earn some money. There are too many people on welfare out there who are quite capable of getting a job but choose not to as it will affect their lifestyle.
Well I'm sorry, if you are able bodied and on welfare, being discerning is not an option you are entitled to. Now the Government is putting the pressure on them, they can either get off their backsides and find ways to earn some money or suffer.
I'm sorry but hard workers like myself who have never received government entitlements have very little patience for Dole bludgers whingeing about how its going to cost them more to live.
They've had too much for too long at the taxpayers expense.
A friend of mine is not highly educated and certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed but he works damn hard at 3 jobs and like me is also not affected by the government changes because his income from the three jobs combined give him some reasonable coin. Sure he doesn't have the greatest social life but his priority is to look after his family and be totally non-reliant on any government handouts.
He is the kind of person who should be in the spotlight instead of these whingeing namby pamby where's my handouts gone bludgers.
I agree with most of what you are saying tiga. Like you since I left scholl and started working I have never received a govt payment (outside the Rudd thing that everyone got) in my life
Been calling for the cuts to middle class welfare for yonks. Glad they are doing something about it but to retain the PPL scheme is hypocritical in light of what they are spruiking & doing in this budget.... but I digrese
But what about (and yes I harp on it) the Pensioners? They are the ones I feel for and believe have been shafted in this budget bigtime
You know the ones who worked hard all their lives paid there taxes rasied families without handouts, have no super because when they worked there was never such a thing. The ones' whose only asset is their home. The one's whose savings are so tiny that they bascially live on $300-$350 odd bucks a week and that's?
They shouldn't have to worry about if the can afford to go to the doctors or how they are going to pay for the medications.
We should be looking after them becaus ethey deserve it, they've earnt it..
This budget doesn't in way shape or form and that is an absolute disgrace
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Easy to fix. Get off Welfare and go out and earn some money. There are too many people on welfare out there who are quite capable of getting a job but choose not to as it will affect their lifestyle.
Well I'm sorry, if you are able bodied and on welfare, being discerning is not an option you are entitled to. Now the Government is putting the pressure on them, they can either get off their backsides and find ways to earn some money or suffer.
I'm sorry but hard workers like myself who have never received government entitlements have very little patience for Dole bludgers whingeing about how its going to cost them more to live.
They've had too much for too long at the taxpayers expense.
A friend of mine is not highly educated and certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed but he works damn hard at 3 jobs and like me is also not affected by the government changes because his income from the three jobs combined give him some reasonable coin. Sure he doesn't have the greatest social life but his priority is to look after his family and be totally non-reliant on any government handouts.
He is the kind of person who should be in the spotlight instead of these whingeing namby pamby where's my handouts gone bludgers.
You may be employed but your posting stats suggest maybe not such a hard worker.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=146
:lol
and mine are not much better (or is that worse?)
I'm like Gary Ablett Jr. I have all the time in the world and still rack up the stats and get the job done exceptionally well week in and week out. :thumbsup
Not all of us work the hours of 8:30am to 3pm :cheers
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Easy to fix. Get off Welfare and go out and earn some money. There are too many people on welfare out there who are quite capable of getting a job but choose not to as it will affect their lifestyle.
Well I'm sorry, if you are able bodied and on welfare, being discerning is not an option you are entitled to. Now the Government is putting the pressure on them, they can either get off their backsides and find ways to earn some money or suffer.
I'm sorry but hard workers like myself who have never received government entitlements have very little patience for Dole bludgers whingeing about how its going to cost them more to live.
They've had too much for too long at the taxpayers expense.
A friend of mine is not highly educated and certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed but he works damn hard at 3 jobs and like me is also not affected by the government changes because his income from the three jobs combined give him some reasonable coin. Sure he doesn't have the greatest social life but his priority is to look after his family and be totally non-reliant on any government handouts.
He is the kind of person who should be in the spotlight instead of these whingeing namby pamby where's my handouts gone bludgers.
I agree with most of what you are saying tiga. Like you since I left scholl and started working I have never received a govt payment (outside the Rudd thing that everyone got) in my life
Been calling for the cuts to middle class welfare for yonks. Glad they are doing something about it but to retain the PPL scheme is hypocritical in light of what they are spruiking & doing in this budget.... but I digrese
But what about (and yes I harp on it) the Pensioners? They are the ones I feel for and believe have been shafted in this budget bigtime
You know the ones who worked hard all their lives paid there taxes rasied families without handouts, have no super because when they worked there was never such a thing. The ones' whose only asset is their home. The one's whose savings are so tiny that they bascially live on $300-$350 odd bucks a week and that's?
They shouldn't have to worry about if the can afford to go to the doctors or how they are going to pay for the medications.
We should be looking after them becaus ethey deserve it, they've earnt it..
This budget doesn't in way shape or form and that is an absolute disgrace
Fair call WP. I don't put pensioners in the same slot as good for nothing able bodied welfare bludgers. Pensioners deserve to be protected and should be given every entitlement they need.
I'm sure if we got rid of the bottom end of the welfare system, there would be more money to go towards providing pensioners a lifestyle they deserve.
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Easy to fix. Get off Welfare and go out and earn some money. There are too many people on welfare out there who are quite capable of getting a job but choose not to as it will affect their lifestyle.
Well I'm sorry, if you are able bodied and on welfare, being discerning is not an option you are entitled to. Now the Government is putting the pressure on them, they can either get off their backsides and find ways to earn some money or suffer.
I'm sorry but hard workers like myself who have never received government entitlements have very little patience for Dole bludgers whingeing about how its going to cost them more to live.
They've had too much for too long at the taxpayers expense.
A friend of mine is not highly educated and certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed but he works damn hard at 3 jobs and like me is also not affected by the government changes because his income from the three jobs combined give him some reasonable coin. Sure he doesn't have the greatest social life but his priority is to look after his family and be totally non-reliant on any government handouts.
He is the kind of person who should be in the spotlight instead of these whingeing namby pamby where's my handouts gone bludgers.
You may be employed but your posting stats suggest maybe not such a hard worker.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=146
:lol
and mine are not much better (or is that worse?)
I'm like Gary Ablett Jr. I have all the time in the world and still rack up the stats and get the job done exceptionally well week in and week out. :thumbsup
Not all of us work the hours of 8:30am to 3pm :cheers
I work 6:30am to 4:00pm
:thumbsup
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its interesting that there seems to be a belief by liberal supporters that probably one of the biggest things (if not T H E) biggest problem with govt spending is that Dole bludgers suck up huge amounts of the taxes working people pay.
ill put out a question or two im interested in peoples take on.
1) what percentage of able bodied adults are actually dole bludgers? the official unemployment rate is what ~ 6.5%? is it most of the unemployed? or only a small minority?
2) is there enough permanent work to support all able bodied adults in this country?
3) do you think we would pay more in unemployment benefits as a country than say mining subsidies or corporate tax subsidies or neg gearing?
4) if the amount of money paid in subsidies and gearing is huge, is it needed by those people whom already live comfortably? is it morally justified? Why?
5) Is the money needed for people (non dole bludgers) justified less so?
some answers from my perspective.
welfare (dole payments) in 2010/11 was approx 6.4 billion. this represents less than 1/13 of welfare paid, the majority being paid rightfully to pensioners and disabled payments.
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=nMt9U5PlIYWC8gWV_ICoBw&url=http://www.aihw.gov.au/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx%3Fid%3D60129544564&cd=8&ved=0CDUQFjAH&usg=AFQjCNHtFOHSGiU4-rosnRQ9xo4Fg_fnBQ
negative gearing cost the taxpayers 3.8 billion in 2007/8. money for people who dont need it to survive. is this ethical?
http://theconversation.com/its-time-to-abolish-negative-gearing-9879
Fuel tax credit scheme ~ 5.2 billion
http://theconversation.com/the-great-global-warming-subsidy-the-truth-about-australian-corporate-welfare-23281
Arent all groups sucking off the government? Whats the difference?
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well said Tiga, one of the smartest posts in a while. No time for dole bludgers.
Dooks you crap on about negative gearing costing x amount of dollars. How is that worse than a family on 100k receiving family benefits.
I see first hand where families are earning 150-200k yet continue to receive benefits and i'm not talking about PPL.
Happens in all classes not just the top end who utilize tax benefits. I gave you an example of middle class who are reaping thousands of dollars through tax minimization. This is not an isolated example. Middle class are raping the system also.
Need i remind you it was your beloved labour party who created it.
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If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.
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well said Tiga, one of the smartest posts in a while. No time for dole bludgers.
Dooks you crap on about negative gearing costing x amount of dollars. How is that worse than a family on 100k receiving family benefits.
I see first hand where families are earning 150-200k yet continue to receive benefits and i'm not talking about PPL.
Happens in all classes not just the top end who utilize tax benefits. I gave you an example of middle class who are reaping thousands of dollars through tax minimization. This is not an isolated example. Middle class are raping the system also.
Need i remind you it was your beloved labour party who created it.
Wrong, it was John Howard and the Libs that created this (unaffordable family tax benefit middle class welfare) system.
http://www.asb.unsw.edu.au/schools/taxationandbusinesslaw/atta/attajournal/Documents/12_Hodgson_JATTA_vol1_no2.pdf
But you are missing the point it is the Pensioners that I am most concerned about.
I didn't vote for Abbott and possibly the Labor party needed the wake up call that it got BUT...
This arrogant Government has shot itself in the foot with this Budget.
Let's see how they deal with a hostile senate, it might put our opinion of Julia Gillard into perspective.
And yes she and Rudd had to go.
I think History will judge Julia far better than Tony.
:cheers
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I was talking about negative gearing pal
Try again
What about the pensioners? What are they losing out on? $7 hospital visits?
The people most affected are the ones born after 63 or whatever it is as they aren't eligible until they
Until 70. Maybe indexing payments to inf was a mistake, but who is to say it will pass the senate, ditto PPL. I'm tipping neither will
You have been given examples of middle class rorts yet then you return back to the pensioner argument
You need to face facts my friend. Middle and upper have been receiving tax breaks for years and years, but hey let's just focus on neg gearing recipients shall we
Abbott stopped the boats, Abbott is reducing debt so in my eyes his already streets ahead of that bitch. Did they both lie? Yes but so what they join a prestigious group in society that we are all apart of
Mate a lot of this won't pass senate, so id suggest you hold your guns and your greeny tree hugging rhetoric you have been boring is with until the senate meet.
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I was talking about negative gearing pal
Try again
My apologies, that was the Labor Party.
:cheers
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What about the pensioners? What are they losing out on? $7 hospital visits?
Sorry Angus the fact that you have to even ask that question clearly shows have no idea when it comes to pensioners and how tough some are doing it.
Would love to see how you'd go living on $300-$350 a week with no other savings to fall back on, being in poor health that requires regular (read minimum fortnightly) doc visits and medications and having to deal with cost increases in things like food, water, gas, electricity that happen regularly
Doubt that you could manage it
My late mother always said sometimes you need to take a walk in someone else's shoes to truly understand their lot in life
Reckon you might need to do it
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What about the pensioners? What are they losing out on? $7 hospital visits?
Sorry Angus the fact that you have to even ask that question clearly shows have no idea when it comes to pensioners and how tough some are doing it.
Would love to see how you'd go living on $300-$350 a week with no other savings to fall back on, being in poor health that requires regular (read minimum fortnightly) doc visits and medications and having to deal with cost increases in things like food, water, gas, electricity that happen regularly
Doubt that you could manage it
My late mother always said sometimes you need to take a walk in someone else's shows shoes to truly understand their lot in life
Reckon you might need to do it
Just correcting the autocorrect
:lol
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well said Tiga, one of the smartest posts in a while. No time for dole bludgers.
Dooks you crap on about negative gearing costing x amount of dollars. How is that worse than a family on 100k receiving family benefits.
I see first hand where families are earning 150-200k yet continue to receive benefits and i'm not talking about PPL.
Happens in all classes not just the top end who utilize tax benefits. I gave you an example of middle class who are reaping thousands of dollars through tax minimization. This is not an isolated example. Middle class are raping the system also.
Need i remind you it was your beloved labour party who created it.
So if the middle class are raping the system, and the working class and unemployed are too, is it the top 10% that are getting shafted?
I dont have any issue with cutting back middle class welfare. Thats not the point I made at all. I actually agree with it on the face of things. A basic ppl is needed though I beleive.
The premise your suggesting is that two wrongs make a right in respect of this mid class welfare and neg gearing. :huh
The thing that does pee me off is the continued distribution of wealth to the top 10% and this budget is another mechanism. Have a look at the states and the cotinued hollowing out of the middles class, cuts in wages and govt payouts to the super wealthy etc etc. Now more vacant homes in America than the homeless. Is this where we are heading for our kids? No free or cheap health care or education. Looks like it.
But if you could pls explain what middle class welfare someone on 200k is obtaining id be interested!
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Poor Frances must have been doing it tough. Luckily daddy advocates nepotism.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/former-classmates-angry-scholarship-abbotts-daughter?CMP=fb_gu
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Bump
Class warfare.
Even I didn't think Abbott would be this bad.
Poorest families pay most in budget
May 22, 2014
Tom Allard
National Affairs Editor
(http://images.theage.com.au/2014/05/22/5445056/aw-graphic-620x349.jpg)
The poorest 20 per cent of Australian families will pay $1.1 billion more into government coffers than the richest households as a result of the budget, highlighting the huge inequity in the government's four-year blueprint for fiscal repair.
New analysis from the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling (NATSEM) has crystallised how heavily the burden of budget consolidation has fallen on those less well-off, especially if they have school-age children.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poorest-families-pay-most-in-budget-20140521-38p5m.html#ixzz32ODpCgxE
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well said Tiga, one of the smartest posts in a while. No time for dole bludgers.
Dooks you crap on about negative gearing costing x amount of dollars. How is that worse than a family on 100k receiving family benefits.
I see first hand where families are earning 150-200k yet continue to receive benefits and i'm not talking about PPL.
Happens in all classes not just the top end who utilize tax benefits. I gave you an example of middle class who are reaping thousands of dollars through tax minimization. This is not an isolated example. Middle class are raping the system also.
Need i remind you it was your beloved labour party who created it.
So if the middle class are raping the system, and the working class and unemployed are too, is it the top 10% that are getting shafted?
I dont have any issue with cutting back middle class welfare. Thats not the point I made at all. I actually agree with it on the face of things. A basic ppl is needed though I beleive.
The premise your suggesting is that two wrongs make a right in respect of this mid class welfare and neg gearing. :huh
The thing that does pee me off is the continued distribution of wealth to the top 10% and this budget is another mechanism. Have a look at the states and the cotinued hollowing out of the middles class, cuts in wages and govt payouts to the super wealthy etc etc. Now more vacant homes in America than the homeless. Is this where we are heading for our kids? No free or cheap health care or education. Looks like it.
But if you could pls explain what middle class welfare someone on 200k is obtaining id be interested!
What ever u pinko green hippie
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well said Tiga, one of the smartest posts in a while. No time for dole bludgers.
Dooks you crap on about negative gearing costing x amount of dollars. How is that worse than a family on 100k receiving family benefits.
I see first hand where families are earning 150-200k yet continue to receive benefits and i'm not talking about PPL.
Happens in all classes not just the top end who utilize tax benefits. I gave you an example of middle class who are rea8ping thousands of dollars through tax minimization. This is not an isolated example. Middle class are raping the system also.
Need i remind you it was your beloved labour party who created it.
So if the middle class are raping the system, and the working class and unemployed are too, is it the top 10% that are getting shafted?
I dont have any issue with cutting back middle class welfare. Thats not the point I made at all. I actually agree with it on the face of things. A basic ppl is needed though I beleive.
The premise your suggesting is that two wrongs make a right in respect of this mid class welfare and neg gearing. :huh
The thing that does pee me off is the continued distribution of wealth to the top 10% and this budget is another mechanism. Have a look at the states and the cotinued hollowing out of the middles class, cuts in wages and govt payouts to the super wealthy etc etc. Now more vacant homes in America than the homeless. Is this where we are heading for our kids? No free or cheap health care or education. Looks like it.
But if you could pls explain what middle class welfare someone on 200k is obtaining id be interested!
What ever u pinko green hippie
Checkmate ;D
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well said Tiga, one of the smartest posts in a while. No time for dole bludgers.
Dooks you crap on about negative gearing costing x amount of dollars. How is that worse than a family on 100k receiving family benefits.
I see first hand where families are earning 150-200k yet continue to receive benefits and i'm not talking about PPL.
Happens in all classes not just the top end who utilize tax benefits. I gave you an example of middle class who are reaping thousands of dollars through tax minimization. This is not an isolated example. Middle class are raping the system also.
Need i remind you it was your beloved labour party who created it.
So if the middle class are raping the system, and the working class and unemployed are too, is it the top 10% that are getting shafted?
I dont have any issue with cutting back middle class welfare. Thats not the point I made at all. I actually agree with it on the face of things. A basic ppl is needed though I beleive.
The premise your suggesting is that two wrongs make a right in respect of this mid class welfare and neg gearing. :huh
The thing that does pee me off is the continued distribution of wealth to the top 10% and this budget is another mechanism. Have a look at the states and the cotinued hollowing out of the middles class, cuts in wages and govt payouts to the super wealthy etc etc. Now more vacant homes in America than the homeless. Is this where we are heading for our kids? No free or cheap health care or education. Looks like it.
But if you could pls explain what middle class welfare someone on 200k is obtaining id be interested!
pretty simple i would have thought
Income 200k
"EXPENSES"180k
= taxable income $20,000 which then = family tax a and b.
seen it many times over the years so dont be fooled into thinking its only the top end who reap the awards.
As for the top end getting shafted if you ask me they pay their dues to society with a high tax rate and im guessing its amongst the highest in the world. They deserve any handouts whatsoever and that includes PPL and on just on that stop bringing it up as its not even set in stone. Its a stupid policy of abbots new budget and wont pass senate IMO. Lets just deal with the here and now shall we.
As for negative gearing it was introduced to stimulate the economy and its served its purpose in society. Should it continue, No as its a blatant handout. Will it continue yep so my advice to you is if you cant beat em join and go get one yourself and look after your retirement.
Lastly on neg gearing ive many middle and even lower class of people who successfully use negative gearing so to assume that only the top end utilize this tax break would be very naive.
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As for the top end getting shafted if you ask me they pay their dues to society with a high tax rate and im guessing its amongst the highest in the world. They deserve any handouts whatsoever
why do they deserve any handouts whatsoever if they are financially sound? shouldnt handouts be limited to the poorest, neediest members of society?
are you also suggesting the top end doesnt tax minimise like the middle class example you gave?
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Dammit Abbott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTiN_Y5M2sw
:lol
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What about the pensioners? What are they losing out on? $7 hospital visits?
Sorry Angus the fact that you have to even ask that question clearly shows have no idea when it comes to pensioners and how tough some are doing it.
Would love to see how you'd go living on $300-$350 a week with no other savings to fall back on, being in poor health that requires regular (read minimum fortnightly) doc visits and medications and having to deal with cost increases in things like food, water, gas, electricity that happen regularly
Doubt that you could manage it
My late mother always said sometimes you need to take a walk in someone else's shows shoes to truly understand their lot in life
Reckon you might need to do it
Just correcting the autocorrect
:lol
Thank you
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Poor are not carrying the budget
John Roskam
Australian Financial Review
23rd May 2014
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There’s a world of difference between the government giving you less of something that isn’t yours to begin with, and the government taking something from you that is yours in the first place.
What NATSEM also showed is that the earning of $60,000 a year will get an additional $4736 in welfare benefits, taking their total disposable income to $64,736.
A couple earning $200,000 will pay $67,547 in tax, making their total disposable income $132,453.
The alleged inequity of the budget lies in the fact that the couple receiving more from the welfare system than it pays in taxes will have its benefits cut, while the couple paying the taxes that pay for those benefits won’t be required to pay even higher taxes.
This is a complete perversion of any notion of equity. Somehow equity is now deemed only to apply to people receiving welfare paid for by the taxes imposed on others. No one talks about whether it’s equitable for the government to take close to half of what some people earn.
The misconception about the meaning of equity is reflected in the comment in the Herald that “the poorest 20 per cent of Australian families will pay $1.1 billion more into government coffers than the richest household. . .”
Nothing could be further from the truth. The poor don’t pay anything into government coffers.
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http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/poor_are_not_carrying_the_budget_HWlKGtkkl8hdU9lKiXUl5K (http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/poor_are_not_carrying_the_budget_HWlKGtkkl8hdU9lKiXUl5K)
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Keep calm: the cuts are small, the pain shared ... and necessary
Judith Sloan
The Australian
23rd May 2014
EVERYONE needs to calm down. This budget is not tough; arguably, it is too soft.
The explanation for the hostile reaction to — and misinformation about — the budget largely revolves around the slight reduction in entitlements to various groups, which are no longer sustainable given the fall in the terms of trade and our ongoing sluggish productivity performance.
The truth is we have been living in something of a fool’s paradise by believing the party could last.
First, we enjoyed the improvements to living standards associated with the productivity gains generated by the reforms implemented by the Hawke and, to a lesser extent, Howard governments. This provided the wherewithal to distribute some of the gains to various groups, including low- and middle-income earners, families with children and older persons, and to fund education and health more generously.
Just as the luck looked as though it might run out, the terms of trade surged to historically high levels and remained that way for an unprecedented period of time. This fortuitous turn of events prolonged the party.
The astonishing thing about some of the reactions to the budget is that many of the measures should have broad endorsement. Take the change to Family Tax Benefit Part B, which is currently given to single-income families on high incomes with children.
The benefit is being trimmed back to families with incomes of less than $100,000 a year and where the youngest child is less than six years old. The previous arrangement was a clear example of unaffordable middle-class welfare, which could no longer be justified.
The reintroduction of the indexation of fuel excise, something which most left-leaning economists have been advocating for years, will add about 1c a litre to the price of fuel each year, or about 60c to the average weekly fuel bill of the vast majority of drivers.
And while denying the Newstart Allowance to those younger than 30 for a period of six months may seem harsh, there will be various carve-outs.
Surely no one denies that being in a job or training for a job are the best alternatives for young people, rather than leaving them to remain passively on the dole?
When it comes to changes to the age pension, most are down the track, giving older persons some warning of the alterations that will be made to the indexation — which slows the increase in the pension; it doesn’t cut it — and income/asset thresholds.
This is good policy. With 80 per cent of persons aged 65 or older on the full or part age pension, it is imperative that the government act to make the pension sustainable into the future, while protecting those who struggle the most.
It is interesting that there was scarcely a reaction to the Labor government’s decision to extend the age of entitlement to the pension from 65 to 67, but the further extension to the age of 70 has been met by fierce opposition.
In reality, those workers who engage in hard physical labour do not currently last until the age of 65 before they retire.
The beauty of the system of compulsory superannuation is that more and more workers will have the financial means to tide themselves over before they reach the age of entitlement for the Age Pension, as well as partly self-provide for their retirement in some instances. (The government still needs to consider how to better articulate superannuation and the preservation age with the Age Pension.)
The reaction to the Medicare co-payments has also been extreme. In reality, there are co-payments in many parts of the health system and, while some may complain, this aspect of the system is generally accepted.
And remember when co-payments were introduced into the Pharmaceutical Benefit Scheme? There were dire predictions that large swaths of the population would not be able to afford to have their prescriptions filled.
There was some short-term impact — just as there seems to be with the current fall-off in appointments being made to visit the GP, even though the co-payment arrangements do not take effect for another 13 months — but things will settle down over time.
There are a number of protections for those on lower incomes and for children. But the real point is that the growth in the number and cost of Medicare Benefit Schedule visits has been unsustainable, and imposing a price signal makes good policy sense.
The revolting students have been one of the starkest illustrations of resistance to the new budget measures. But someone pays for the subsidies to higher-education students and these donors include labourers, tradies, salespersons; indeed, lots of people who have never benefited from having a university education.
The extension of the new loan arrangements to those undertaking sub-degree programs means that those who are not well placed to undertake an undergraduate degree in the first instance can still afford to attend higher education.
And, notwithstanding the imposition of a real interest rate in the HELP loan arrangements, the arrangement remain highly concessional, especially given that graduates are not required to begin to pay back their loans until their annual income is about $50,000.
By any measure, higher education remains a good deal for students, with greater access, more diversity and hopefully higher standards. For every high fee that will be quoted, there will be plenty of more modest ones being charged, giving much greater choice to students than is currently available.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/keep-calm-the-cuts-are-small-the-pain-shared-and-necessary/story-fnbkvnk7-1226927573883# (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/keep-calm-the-cuts-are-small-the-pain-shared-and-necessary/story-fnbkvnk7-1226927573883#)
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WELFARE WHINGERS, LOOK AT NZ
Adam Creighton
The Australian
23rd May 2014
Our health spending is indulgent by comparison
THE Kiwis may consistently flog Australia in rugby, but if welfare and whingeing were a competition we would be the undisputed champion.
Even after Joe Hockey’s tough budget, Australia’s welfare mountain will still dwarf anything across the Tasman.
The culmination of almost two decades of mainly populist budgets, the Abbott government will spend $6200 a person on cash welfare next year, over 25 per cent more than New Zealand’s government will on each of its citizens (converting all amounts to Australian dollars).
Education spending, at $2900 a person, is 10 per cent more generous in Australia but health expenditure is torrential by comparison: Australian state and federal governments will lavish more than $4600 a person to keep Australians alive and healthy, almost 50 per cent more than is spent in New Zealand. No methodological quibble could bridge such stark differences.
The relative splurge extends to hiring, too. Australia’s population of 23.5 million is about 5.2 times New Zealand’s, but as of June last year we had 8.4 times as many public servants: 1.89 million across our state, federal and local governments compared with New Zealand’s 226,000.
If the federal government overnight reduced welfare, health and education spending to New Zealand levels it would be rolling in a $40 billion budget surplus next year rather than wallowing in deficit until 2018 or even later.
Australians’ hysterical reaction to the Coalition’s first budget must bemuse New Zealanders, especially since Treasurer Bill English said last week that he would cut public spending as a share of gross domestic product by more than twice as much as the Abbott government has announced.
In fact, without a minerals boom to line government coffers and despite a huge repair bill from two devastating earthquakes, New Zealand’s budget will be back in surplus by $NZ400 million ($370m) next financial year, rising to $NZ3.5bn by 2018.
English, now in his sixth year as New Zealand’s Treasurer, commendably chose not to emulate the world’s greatest treasurer Wayne Swan and kept a tight leash on public spending before and after the global financial crisis, preferring to cut income taxes and lift consumption tax. The Key government, facing election again later this year, is now reaping the rewards.
While Australia’s economy is lumbering back to trend growth, New Zealand is enjoying a boom, its economy predicted to grow 4 per cent this year and 3 per cent next without pushing up inflation. The country’s unemployment rate is projected to fall to 4.4 per cent during the next few years as ours hovers around 6 per cent.
Apart from a bloated public sector and a wellspring of whingeing, what does Australia get for its vastly more indulgent public spending? Much higher taxes, for one thing. The marginal income rate most Australians will pay from July — 34.5 per cent — will be higher even than New Zealand’s top 33 per cent rate, which makes a mockery of our 49 per cent top rate, which will be higher than China’s and France’s.
It hasn’t made us happier. Even rising interest rates have been unable to dent record high confidence levels among New Zealand households and businesses, while Australians’ mood has oscillated between gloomy and indifferent for months.
Nor has it much improved our lives. Genuine poverty is not obviously higher in New Zealand than Australia.
Indeed, the UN’s Human Development Index, which compares living standards across 186 countries, puts both Australia and New Zealand in the top 10.
Our handout fetish has comprehensively ruined some markets: the cost of childcare is much lower in New Zealand despite the per capita public subsidies there being seven times smaller.
To be fair, English didn’t inherit the mess in 2008 Joe Hockey has today. New Zealand came close to bankruptcy in the 1980s, forcing its then Labour government to make drastic free market reforms that make Hawke-Keating Labor seem timid, and which Helen Clark’s government broadly respected.
Swaths of regulation and practically all corporate subsidies were abolished, and social spending was curbed substantially. New Zealand lost its car industry in the late 80s.
What English did inherit, however, was a population less spoiled by handouts and more accepting of the need for dramatic reform to improve long-term prosperity.
Australia is still much richer on paper than New Zealand but it wasn’t always. Australia’s welfare and tax habit will increase the chance of history repeating itself.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807# (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807#)
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I was going to leave this one alone but God it does smell rotten.
Frances Abbott's classmates angry that they could not apply for scholarship
Oliver Laughland and Paul Farrell
theguardian.com, Thursday 22 May 2014 18.08 AEST
Current and former students at the Whitehouse Institute of Design have reacted angrily to the revelation that prime minister Tony Abbott’s daughter Frances received an undisclosed scholarship of $60,000 to cover her tuition fees.
Four students – two of whom were classmates of Abbott’s – all said they did not know that the scholarship existed and raised questions over its fairness. Frances was only the second student to receive the award in its 25 year history.
On Wednesday, Guardian Australia revealed that Frances had received a chairman’s scholarship from the institution, with Les Taylor, chairman of the board of governors, later saying he had recommended her personally for the award. Taylor said he had no say in the selection process.
One former Whitehouse student who was in the same class as Frances for three years told Guardian Australia: “It just seems like a free ride and not a scholarship.”
The graduate, who did not want to be named, continued: “When it comes down to it everyone got in off their portfolio. Nobody else was offered a scholarship in any way, shape or form.”
Another former classmate said “There was absolutely no discussion of the scholarship between me or any of the other students while at Whitehouse.
“I don’t think it’s fair. What I think would have been fair is that if that scholarship was available for everybody to apply for it.”
A current student told Guardian Australia that their family had to take out loans to help pay her fees and the news about the scholarship made them “almost embarrassed to be associated with the school”.
“I’ve never been made aware of any scholarship,” the student said, “I live eight hours away from Sydney. I picked up my entire life and moved to the other side of the state to be a part of this institute. I’ve asked about scholarships to make it easier on myself and my family financially but every time I’ve been told there are none available.”
Another current student told Guardian Australia: “We’re constantly commenting on the fact that we’re paying so much money. There’s not been a person that we knew of, up until now, that’s been getting even a discount let alone $60,000 waived completely.
“That’s why we’re so upset because we were told there are no scholarships, there’s no other way around this, you have to pay to have Whitehouse on your resume.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/former-classmates-angry-scholarship-abbotts-daughter
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and now this...
DFAT anger over Louise Abbott's foreign affairs job
May 23, 2014 - 1:03PM
Phillip Thomson and Noel Towell
Some foreign affairs staff are annoyed Prime Minister Tony Abbott's daughter Louise is working at Australia's embassy in Geneva which is headed by former Coalition staffer Peter Woolcott.
But a spokesman for the Department of Foreign of Affairs and Trade says the job helping represent Australia to the United Nations was awarded on the basis of merit.
Jealousy over plum jobs in overseas locations is a staple of workplace life at DFAT, but departmental insiders say there are concerns over Ms Abbott being hired in Geneva, given the political connections of the mission's boss.
Mr Woolcott was chief of staff to foreign minister Alexander Downer from 2002 to 2004 while on secondment from the department.
He has been a career officer for the department since the early 1980s.
He was appointed ambassador in Geneva in 2010 and Louise Abbott began work at the Australian mission as an executive assistant to the mission in September 2012, when Labor was in federal government.
There is internal disquiet at Foreign Affairs HQ in Canberra about what some staff see as a lack of transparency in the hiring and how Ms Abbott came to be doing high-level work such as delivering a public statement on disarmament when there are up to 14 policy specialist attached to the mission
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dfat-anger-over-louise-abbotts-foreign-affairs-job-20140523-zrloo.html#ixzz32VeqRwYb
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dfat-anger-over-louise-abbotts-foreign-affairs-job-20140523-zrloo.html#ixzz32VeeWiaH
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Maybe they are really talented girls? ;D
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Lets model our economy and spending on NZ and Asian countries because they spend less on welfare.
Their economy and standard of living is better, right? :lol
#rightwingmediafightback
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WELFARE WHINGERS, LOOK AT NZ
Adam Creighton
The Australian
23rd May 2014
Our health spending is indulgent by comparison
THE Kiwis may consistently flog Australia in rugby, but if welfare and whingeing were a competition we would be the undisputed champion.
Even after Joe Hockey’s tough budget, Australia’s welfare mountain will still dwarf anything across the Tasman.
The culmination of almost two decades of mainly populist budgets, the Abbott government will spend $6200 a person on cash welfare next year, over 25 per cent more than New Zealand’s government will on each of its citizens (converting all amounts to Australian dollars).
Education spending, at $2900 a person, is 10 per cent more generous in Australia but health expenditure is torrential by comparison: Australian state and federal governments will lavish more than $4600 a person to keep Australians alive and healthy, almost 50 per cent more than is spent in New Zealand. No methodological quibble could bridge such stark differences.
The relative splurge extends to hiring, too. Australia’s population of 23.5 million is about 5.2 times New Zealand’s, but as of June last year we had 8.4 times as many public servants: 1.89 million across our state, federal and local governments compared with New Zealand’s 226,000.
If the federal government overnight reduced welfare, health and education spending to New Zealand levels it would be rolling in a $40 billion budget surplus next year rather than wallowing in deficit until 2018 or even later.
Australians’ hysterical reaction to the Coalition’s first budget must bemuse New Zealanders, especially since Treasurer Bill English said last week that he would cut public spending as a share of gross domestic product by more than twice as much as the Abbott government has announced.
In fact, without a minerals boom to line government coffers and despite a huge repair bill from two devastating earthquakes, New Zealand’s budget will be back in surplus by $NZ400 million ($370m) next financial year, rising to $NZ3.5bn by 2018.
English, now in his sixth year as New Zealand’s Treasurer, commendably chose not to emulate the world’s greatest treasurer Wayne Swan and kept a tight leash on public spending before and after the global financial crisis, preferring to cut income taxes and lift consumption tax. The Key government, facing election again later this year, is now reaping the rewards.
While Australia’s economy is lumbering back to trend growth, New Zealand is enjoying a boom, its economy predicted to grow 4 per cent this year and 3 per cent next without pushing up inflation. The country’s unemployment rate is projected to fall to 4.4 per cent during the next few years as ours hovers around 6 per cent.
Apart from a bloated public sector and a wellspring of whingeing, what does Australia get for its vastly more indulgent public spending? Much higher taxes, for one thing. The marginal income rate most Australians will pay from July — 34.5 per cent — will be higher even than New Zealand’s top 33 per cent rate, which makes a mockery of our 49 per cent top rate, which will be higher than China’s and France’s.
It hasn’t made us happier. Even rising interest rates have been unable to dent record high confidence levels among New Zealand households and businesses, while Australians’ mood has oscillated between gloomy and indifferent for months.
Nor has it much improved our lives. Genuine poverty is not obviously higher in New Zealand than Australia.
Indeed, the UN’s Human Development Index, which compares living standards across 186 countries, puts both Australia and New Zealand in the top 10.
Our handout fetish has comprehensively ruined some markets: the cost of childcare is much lower in New Zealand despite the per capita public subsidies there being seven times smaller.
To be fair, English didn’t inherit the mess in 2008 Joe Hockey has today. New Zealand came close to bankruptcy in the 1980s, forcing its then Labour government to make drastic free market reforms that make Hawke-Keating Labor seem timid, and which Helen Clark’s government broadly respected.
Swaths of regulation and practically all corporate subsidies were abolished, and social spending was curbed substantially. New Zealand lost its car industry in the late 80s.
What English did inherit, however, was a population less spoiled by handouts and more accepting of the need for dramatic reform to improve long-term prosperity.
Australia is still much richer on paper than New Zealand but it wasn’t always. Australia’s welfare and tax habit will increase the chance of history repeating itself.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807# (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807#)
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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WELFARE WHINGERS, LOOK AT NZ
Adam Creighton
The Australian
23rd May 2014
Our health spending is indulgent by comparison
THE Kiwis may consistently flog Australia in rugby, but if welfare and whingeing were a competition we would be the undisputed champion.
Even after Joe Hockey’s tough budget, Australia’s welfare mountain will still dwarf anything across the Tasman.
The culmination of almost two decades of mainly populist budgets, the Abbott government will spend $6200 a person on cash welfare next year, over 25 per cent more than New Zealand’s government will on each of its citizens (converting all amounts to Australian dollars).
Education spending, at $2900 a person, is 10 per cent more generous in Australia but health expenditure is torrential by comparison: Australian state and federal governments will lavish more than $4600 a person to keep Australians alive and healthy, almost 50 per cent more than is spent in New Zealand. No methodological quibble could bridge such stark differences.
The relative splurge extends to hiring, too. Australia’s population of 23.5 million is about 5.2 times New Zealand’s, but as of June last year we had 8.4 times as many public servants: 1.89 million across our state, federal and local governments compared with New Zealand’s 226,000.
If the federal government overnight reduced welfare, health and education spending to New Zealand levels it would be rolling in a $40 billion budget surplus next year rather than wallowing in deficit until 2018 or even later.
Australians’ hysterical reaction to the Coalition’s first budget must bemuse New Zealanders, especially since Treasurer Bill English said last week that he would cut public spending as a share of gross domestic product by more than twice as much as the Abbott government has announced.
In fact, without a minerals boom to line government coffers and despite a huge repair bill from two devastating earthquakes, New Zealand’s budget will be back in surplus by $NZ400 million ($370m) next financial year, rising to $NZ3.5bn by 2018.
English, now in his sixth year as New Zealand’s Treasurer, commendably chose not to emulate the world’s greatest treasurer Wayne Swan and kept a tight leash on public spending before and after the global financial crisis, preferring to cut income taxes and lift consumption tax. The Key government, facing election again later this year, is now reaping the rewards.
While Australia’s economy is lumbering back to trend growth, New Zealand is enjoying a boom, its economy predicted to grow 4 per cent this year and 3 per cent next without pushing up inflation. The country’s unemployment rate is projected to fall to 4.4 per cent during the next few years as ours hovers around 6 per cent.
Apart from a bloated public sector and a wellspring of whingeing, what does Australia get for its vastly more indulgent public spending? Much higher taxes, for one thing. The marginal income rate most Australians will pay from July — 34.5 per cent — will be higher even than New Zealand’s top 33 per cent rate, which makes a mockery of our 49 per cent top rate, which will be higher than China’s and France’s.
It hasn’t made us happier. Even rising interest rates have been unable to dent record high confidence levels among New Zealand households and businesses, while Australians’ mood has oscillated between gloomy and indifferent for months.
Nor has it much improved our lives. Genuine poverty is not obviously higher in New Zealand than Australia.
Indeed, the UN’s Human Development Index, which compares living standards across 186 countries, puts both Australia and New Zealand in the top 10.
Our handout fetish has comprehensively ruined some markets: the cost of childcare is much lower in New Zealand despite the per capita public subsidies there being seven times smaller.
To be fair, English didn’t inherit the mess in 2008 Joe Hockey has today. New Zealand came close to bankruptcy in the 1980s, forcing its then Labour government to make drastic free market reforms that make Hawke-Keating Labor seem timid, and which Helen Clark’s government broadly respected.
Swaths of regulation and practically all corporate subsidies were abolished, and social spending was curbed substantially. New Zealand lost its car industry in the late 80s.
What English did inherit, however, was a population less spoiled by handouts and more accepting of the need for dramatic reform to improve long-term prosperity.
Australia is still much richer on paper than New Zealand but it wasn’t always. Australia’s welfare and tax habit will increase the chance of history repeating itself.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807# (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807#)
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New Zealand has a much higher debt-to-GDP ratio. It was pretty close to ours in 2008 before the GFC hit but has increased more than ours since the GFC hit.
(http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/australia-government-debt-to-gdp.png?s=ausdebt2gdp&d1=20020101&d2=20141231&URL2=/new-zealand/government-debt-to-gdp&type=line&title=AUSTRALIA%20GOVERNMENT%20DEBT%20TO%20GDP%20|%20%20NEW%20ZEALAND%20GOVERNMENT%20DEBT%20TO%20GDP)
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/government-debt_gov-debt-table-en
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdp
So to argue NZ didn't go further and further into debt during and post-GFC is nonsense.
Pre-GFC NZ had a lower unemployment rate than Australia yet post-GFC it's been higher.
NZ had a higher GST rate pre-GFC and raised it from 12.5% to 15% in 2011. Quite easy to generate more government revenue when you raise consumer taxes ::). No way have they gone down the route of the type of cuts attacking the most vulnerable members of society such as aged pensioners we've seen in the Abbott-Hockey budget either.
What helped the Kiwis was the sale of state-owned energy assets and that dairy export prices are still booming which is their biggest export industry and they have had a much lower dollar which is better for exporters and as a result the flow on effect of higher corporate tax revenue to their Government.
NZ doesn't have an archaic 3-tier political system either where one tier of government can just pass the buck to another tier :P.
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More on that scholarship.
Mystery over scholarship for Abbott's daughter
May 24, 2014
Daisy Dumas Saffron Howden Dan Harrison
Disappointed university students reacting to cuts in higher education have an unlikely target in Prime Minister Tony Abbott's daughter Frances as details of her scholarship at a private college remain cloaked in mystery.
The 22-year-old was awarded an unadvertised and very rare $60,636 scholarship to the Whitehouse Institute of Design, chaired by Liberal Party donor and Abbott friend, Les Taylor, in 2011.
The substantial award meant the PM's middle daughter was required to pay just $7546 towards her three-year bachelor's degree in design from which she graduated with distinction in February.
Four days after the revelations emerged, the Surry Hills college is yet to shed light on the secretive scholarship system. Despite the award being known as the Chairman's Scholarship, Mr Taylor, chairman of Whitehouse's board of governors, said he did not know how scholars were selected. ''I'm a semi-retired lawyer, I wouldn't know what criteria you go through to make an assessment of somebody,'' he said on Friday.
Fairfax Media repeatedly contacted Whitehouse chief executive and spokesman Ian Tudor, who is in Jakarta, for comment. Mr Tudor did not respond to detailed questions but released a statement on Wednesday confirming ''that Whitehouse has given scholarships for at least 10 years'' and that Ms Abbott's scholarship was the Chairman's Scholarship, which is awarded occasionally.
''Frances was the second recipient. I understand that the selection of Frances was done at arm's length from the chairman by the owner, founder and managing director of the institute, Leanne Whitehouse,'' Mr Tudor said.
Mr Taylor denied that the undergraduate scholarship had any political ties. ''Of course, it's not linked to a favour to Tony Abbott,'' he said. ''I don't owe Tony Abbott any favours.''
The former Commonwealth Bank general counsel this week conceded that he ''probably'' commended Ms Abbott. ''I probably did say to someone at Whitehouse, 'Frances is a nice girl or something, good family, works hard, I reckon she'd do well'.''
Mr Abbott has denied having any influence over the college and its awards and on Friday at a news conference in Campbelltown he dismissed questions over the scholarship as ''a bit of dirt digging''. He did not publicly disclose the scholarship as it was merit based, rather than a gift, and he has repeatedly underlined his daughter's academic ability.
However, documents obtained by news website New Matilda show that Ms Abbott was pursued for the award. She was contacted four times by the college before finally meeting founder Leanne Whitehouse on February 18, 2011, when she was offered the Chairman's Scholarship.
New information obtained by the news site indicates that Ms Abbott is to begin a master's degree in design at the college this year, a new course that was formally accredited in January, just weeks after the PM was reportedly publicly chided about the costs of accreditation at a function on the college's Surry Hills campus. New Matilda claims to have information that suggests Ms Abbott's fees for the master's degree have been waived.
A spokeswoman for Mr Abbott said he had no private conversations with TEQSA, the tertiary education government agency, and made no inquiries or representations on behalf of the college to secure accreditation. TEQSA has confirmed that Whitehouse went through two levels of assessment to gain accreditation for its new master's course. Materials lodged as part of the college's application to the agency feature a case study of Frances Abbott.
Ms Abbott is working as a teacher's aide at Whitehouse's Melbourne campus where she intends to continue her studies, the PM's office confirmed. ''As the course has not commenced, she is yet to enrol,'' the spokeswoman said.
Former Whitehouse faculty member Monique Rappell said she tried to get a scholarship for a very good student who had run out of funding and ''I couldn't get it even though she was the top student in her degree course''.
A classmate of Ms Abbott said she and other students were not aware of an academic award covering the course cost.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/mystery-over-scholarship-for-abbotts-daughter-20140523-38ufs.html#ixzz32ZGdh2ZZ
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I don't suppose you have to "hold out" if Dad is the PM.
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Unemployed have 'no right to hold out for dream job': PM Tony Abbott
May 24, 2014 - 12:47PM
Michaela Whitbourn
Investigations reporter
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has declared that people on unemployment benefits have "no right" to hold out for their dream job and should take any position they are reasonably able to do.
"If there is a job available you don't really have the option of failing to accept it if the alternative is life on unemployment benefits," Mr Abbott said in South Australia on Saturday.
"A condition of receiving unemployment benefits in this country under both Labor and Liberal governments has been that you've got to look for work and you've got to accept any work that you can reasonably do."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/unemployed-have-no-right-to-hold-out-for-dream-job-pm-tony-abbott-20140524-zrn26.html#ixzz32beo9mDP
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The budget is not an economics budget, it is an ideology budget.
First there is no budget crisis.
Australia has the third lowest debt to Gross Domestic Product ratio of all the OECD countries, so therefore the whole world must be in a budget crisis? But no, our government wants us to believe that we are on par with the PIGS that have more debt than GDP, and are now wanting to implement austerity measure similar to what they were forced to ( Which has not improved their bottom line)
Australia still holds a AAA credit rating, the highest possible. This means the fascist bully boys that make these decisions regard Australia to be in the best possible position to service the debt. Obviously these custodians of the capitalist system don't see Australia as having a budget crisis.
This budget is designed to cut consumption. Peter Costello whom was a very competent (at least) treasurer ha warned in the dangers of this. yet abbot has said that is the intent.
Everything about this budget is calculated to boost the long term strength of the economy; spending less on consumption
So what he is saying is that he does not want consumers to spend, and who does this hurt?
Primarily small business, but equally as important, the government. Costello understands how important consumption is, after all his government became the highest taxing government in our history due to the introduction of a consumption tax.
But Mr Rabbit doesnt want consumers to spend money, so small business, (as will some larger ones especially in the retail trade) will suffer, many will go to the wall. This will result in many many less jobs being available, so more people in the short term on welfare, while the governements main source of revenue will decline. Every time money changes hands the government gets 10%. when a consumer goes into a store,(except supemarkets, mainly owned by one of two large corporations) the goverment gets 10% of the money that changes hands and the remainder goes towards the owner and/or the employees, who then hopefully go and spend that money somewhere else, and the cycle continues. The more money changes hands the better it benfits everyone, the government included
Abbot wants to break that cycle. It makes no economic sense.
On the other hand they are falling head over heels to approve large projects, by in part reducing the importance of environmental impact in approving.
$400 m worth since the election.
Now, who does this benefit? Large business of course.
Naturally this will create some jobs, but remember MR Rabbit doesnt want these people to spend their wages, so the overall benefits to the economy (and therefore government revenue) are not that great. when you take into account that many of the corporations undertaking these projects are at least partially intentionally owned, so therefore a lot of the money will leave the country (unlike when small business are flourishing), which again has very little benefit to the economy.
This falls right in line with who the budget hurts the most, the smaller battler, while looking after the big end of town, which is pretty much the ideology of the liberal party.
It is not a budget based sound sound economics ( as Costello has pointed out), but one based on Mr Rabbits Tea Party ideologies
As for people complaining about negative gearing, obviously they are unaware of the what happened when Bob Hawke scrapped it.
The arse fell out of the construction industry, lots of lost jobs and it pushed the price of housing up.
A shortage of rental properties, which naturally pushed the rental prices ups.
A double whammy and nowhere to hide ( or live) Aren't the mechanisms of supply and demand just wonderful?
No wonder they reinstated it, and it's unlikely to be scrapped again. Someone has to build the houses for people to rent, and negative gearing provides an incentive for this to happen. Remove it and those with money just find somewhere else to invest, and those who can least afford it find it harder to put a roof over their head.
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An important contribution to the critique of consumer capitalism has been made by the French philosopher Bernard Stiegler, but very little of this has been translated into English. Stiegler argues that capitalism today is governed not by production but by consumption, and that the techniques used to create consumer behavior amount to the destruction of psychic and collective individuation. The diversion of libidinal energy toward the consumption of consumer products, he argues, results in an addictive cycle, leading to hyperconsumption, the exhaustion of desire, and the reign of symbolic misery.[3
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They lied before the election and they are still lying to us now.
Debt: the big lie on which Abbott built a budget
May 23, 2014
Kenneth Davidson
Senior columnist at The Age
The 2014 federal budget is built on the big lie that the Australian economy is facing a debt crisis. The proposition that the ‘‘debt and deficit’’ had to be reduced was the excuse for the even bigger lie before the election that there would be no surprises, no cuts to health, education or public broadcasting and no tax increases.
Post-election, it was explained that these promises had to give way to the national interest – defined as reducing government debt. To demands by critics of the budget that the government at least admit that it had been lying in the run-up to the election, the response was along the lines of, ‘‘You haven’t been listening, we always said that dealing with the deficit was always our first priority and that in government we found that Labor had covered up the full extent of the debt problem’’.
The truth is, the Commonwealth doesn’t have a debt problem. Estimated net debt in 2013-14 is $197.8 billion, or 12 per cent of gross domestic product – one of the lowest of the mature industrial countries. If Australia was a corporation, the directors (cabinet ministers) would be likely to be accused of running a ‘‘lazy balance sheet’’ and booted out by shareholders (voters).
There is no reason a government shouldn’t increase its debt if it has unemployed labour resources, growing unemployment, an absence of inflation and inflationary expectations, record low interest rates and – given wise governance – opportunities for investment where the social and economic return on the investment is higher than the cost of capital.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/debt-the-big-lie-on-which-abbott-built-a-budget-20140523-zrlxl.html#ixzz32lAFiqTc
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Tony and the Libs are completely stuffed and it is all their own fault
Arrogant bastards.
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Budget bombshells could blow up in Tony Abbott's face
May 29, 2014 - 9:46PM
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
A quartet of aged care residents sought the assistance of their local member last week. Clive Palmer had never met the women, who told him they had been lifelong Liberal-Nationals voters. No longer.
Their nursing home’s practice of withholding their aged pension cheques, while handing back a modest $15 each for minor luxuries such as chocolates, is set to end. But not in a good way.
Due to the forthcoming GP ‘‘co-payment’’, they were reportedly advised, the remaining $15 would also be withheld to offset expected GP costs.
On Wednesday night Tony Abbott acknowledged the obvious unpopularity of the GP measure, describing it as ‘‘perhaps the most difficult policy change in this budget’’.
He justified it, however, on the largely ideological grounds of establishing a price signal on doctor consultations – yet another case of the confused messaging in this budget, which is otherwise all about fiscal repair in the face of debt and deficit disaster.
But it remains deeply questionable whether, on either grounds, the $7 payment is worth the political pain.
To say it is trouble is an understatement. Labor hates it, as do the Greens, and it’s clear Palmer hates it too. Which accounts for the current Senate and probably the newly configured red chamber from July.
Marginal-seat Liberals worry such trenchant parliamentary and public opposition may come to account for them too in time – in the unlikely event that it can be legislated.
As voters keep saying, no doctor fee was ever mentioned before the election (nor, incidentally, before the Western Australian Senate byelection in April this year).
Even if it does go down, there are plenty of other objectionables in the budget and no clear path for them either.
While Labor waved through the temporary deficit levy on the rich on Wednesday, other broken promises seem doomed.
Even those things that had been expected to garner Greens support – the petrol tax rise and the paid parental leave scheme – can no longer be safely assumed. If anything, attitudes in Canberra are hardening.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/budget-bombshells-could-blow-up-in-tony-abbotts-face-20140529-zrrsl.html#ixzz339Y8U0JI
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My favorite is the redirecting of funds from the royal commission into sex abuse within the church to the botched insulation trial. Not a conflict of interest at all. Meanwhile real education and CSIRO are being stripped of hundreds of millions of dollars only so more state sanctioned kiddie fiddlers can be put into schools.
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Leadership tensions building already.
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Even the Americans think Tony Abbott is a moron.
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/tony-abbott-roasted-by-john-oliver-on-hbo-show-last-week-tonight-20140602-zrvl1.html
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I think you'll find there are large numbers of people in Europe the Americas etc. that think tony a knob die to his Great Barrier Reef and tasmaims trees policy - which are seemly valued highly by those outside of our island. Timber and coal companies excluded
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Even the Americans think Tony Abbott is a moron.
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/tony-abbott-roasted-by-john-oliver-on-hbo-show-last-week-tonight-20140602-zrvl1.html
haha anyone now prepared to admit the voted for him to.be the leader of the country?
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More on the real power behind the throne.
I think I am going to enjoy Clive Palmer's time in parliament.
:lol
Clive Palmer refuses to apologise for remarks about Tony Abbott's chief of staff Peta Credlin
June 3, 2014 - 9:21AM
Lisa Cox
National political reporter
Clive Palmer is refusing to apologise for comments he made about Tony Abbott's chief-of-staff Peta Credlin and the paid parental leave scheme and has rejected the suggestion the remarks were sexist.
The Fairfax MP has come under fire after accusing the government in Parliament on Monday of designing its paid parental leave scheme ''just so that the Prime Minister's chief-of-staff can receive a massive benefit when she gets pregnant''.
Paid parental leave became a rallying point against Tony Abbott and his chief of staff Peta Credlin.
Leader of the House Christopher Pyne immediately demanded an apology from Mr Palmer but the Palmer United Party leader was unrepentant on Tuesday, issuing a further attack on Ms Credlin as having "undue" influence on the government.
Government MPs who have swooped on the comments have highlighted their insensitivity given Ms Credlin’s highly publicised struggle to have a child through IVF.
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said on Tuesday the remarks were “particularly hurtful” and said Mr Palmer should think twice before making such personal attacks.
''I hope Mr Palmer reflects on what he says,'' she told Sky News.
''Of course he can debate policy but he shouldn't debate staff members in doing so.''
Mr Palmer on Tuesday stood by his comments and said that he was not aware of Ms Credlin’s personal struggles.
He also denied that he was being sexist by singling Ms Credlin out before the parliament during a debate over paid parental leave.
''I'm not going to apologise because that's my position,'' he said.
''Being elected to parliament carries a lot of different privileges in relation to raising certain issues.
''If people don't agree with me that’s fine.''
Mr Palmer said anyone who did not think Ms Credlin influenced ''the so-called ideas of the Liberal Party'' was ''naïve'', adding Ms Credlin was the ''top dog'', which he then quickly changed to ''top person''.
''I'm saying that I'm concerned that she has been able to exercise that influence on the PM and I believe as chief of staff, regardless of whether she is a woman or man, she exercises undue influence on government policy to the detriment of many of the elected members of Parliament,'' he said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/clive-palmer-refuses-to-apologise-for-remarks-about-tony-abbotts-chief-of-staff-peta-credlin-20140603-39fdd.html#ixzz33WohjzBI
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Even the Americans think Tony Abbott is a moron.
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/tony-abbott-roasted-by-john-oliver-on-hbo-show-last-week-tonight-20140602-zrvl1.html
It is a very funny parody that's is so close to the bone it is embarrassing
Enjoyed it immensely :clapping
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Even the Americans think Tony Abbott is a moron.
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/tony-abbott-roasted-by-john-oliver-on-hbo-show-last-week-tonight-20140602-zrvl1.html
It is a very funny parody that's is so close to the bone it is embarrassing
Enjoyed it immensely :clapping
:lol
Our very own GW :yep.
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Looks like the Liberal State government is teetering on the brink. The Governor has even called the Labor opposition leader to meet with him.
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/rogue-frankston-mp-geoff-shaw-ready-to-see-coalition-dumped-from-government/story-fnii5sms-1226941927060
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Looks like the Liberal State government is teetering on the brink. The Governor has even called the Labor opposition leader to meet with him.
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/rogue-frankston-mp-geoff-shaw-ready-to-see-coalition-dumped-from-government/story-fnii5sms-1226941927060
Ch 7 said the Governor called Andrews but that was wrong. ABC said that meeting had been scheduled two weeks ago. Having said that the Victorian Liberal Government is dead man walking. They no longer have the numbers on the floor of the Parliament with nutcase Shaw withdrawing his support. It can still just hang-on to the November election if there isn't a no-confidence motion but for the next 5 months the parliament and the Government just won't function without the support of the Labor opposition (such as passing the budget). Andrews now wants a joint meeting with Napthine and the Governor seeking the latter's advice but the Governor can't force an election without a successful no-confidence motion and the Premier then requesting an early election. The Liberal Government could still chuck Shaw out of Parliament and hope they win a Frankston by-election to regain a one-seat majority but that's unlikely and if Labor wins the by-election then it will remain a hung Parliament and it's back to square one. The alternative is for there to be a vote of no-confidence and both sides agree to support it with the Premier then asking the Governor to desolve parliament and call an early election. That's not in Napthine and the Libs political interests though as voting yourself out of government isn't a good look lol. So really the Victorian Government is stuffed either way.
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An early election would be a good time for the public (the poor the sick and the old especially) to give Tony a whack.
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More on that stupid federal budget. What were they thinking?
:banghead
Budget help for ballet Australian Ballet School's new $4.7m mansion
June 4, 2014
It is one of Melbourne's grand mansions - a sprawling century-old stately home that will be a new boarding school for Australia's aspiring ballerinas - and it has just been purchased with $1 million of taxpayer money granted under Joe Hockey's tough budget.
More than a few eyebrows were raised when young ballerinas emerged as rare winners on budget night, especially after the federal Treasurer declared, ''The age of entitlement is over.''
Tucked away in the budget papers was a $1 million grant for the Australian Ballet School, to help with its purchase of a new boarding residence. Armed with that taxpayer money, the school has spent more than $4.7 million on a mansion.
Set on a 2025-square-metre allotment, the Queen Anne mansion in Parkville boasts sweeping parkland views of the Royal Park Golf Course, a pool and gardens. According to Jellis Craig Kensington estate agents, the mansion is one of Melbourne's ''last grand residences''.
''Exquisite period detail and soaring ceilings showcase gracious formal rooms and heritage splendour,'' said the estate agent.
Whether ballerinas are lifters or leaners is a matter for debate, but the Ballet School seems to have been given a lift while many other arts institutions took a cut - more than $87 million of cuts over the next four years.
Screen Australia was cut by $25.1 million, while the Australia Council lost $28.2 million.
Just how the Ballet School came to be a beneficiary amid the cuts remains a mystery, but already many in Canberra - including some within the Liberal Party - are pointing out that it's often not what you know, but who you know.
On the board of the Australian Ballet School is Daniele Kemp, the high-profile wife of former Liberal arts minister Rod Kemp, a predecessor of George Brandis as arts minister. Mr Kemp is now the chairman of the Institute of Public Affairs, a right-wing lobby group.
Mr Kemp and Mr Brandis are said to speak regularly, but Ms Kemp on Tuesday denied that she had any private discussions with the Arts Minister about the $1 million grant
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/budget-help-for-ballet-australian-ballet-schools-new-47m-mansion-20140603-39h29.html#ixzz33bU5k91h
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An early election would be a good time for the public (the poor the sick and the old especially) to give Tony a whack.
:thumbsup
It would be an early Victorian state election through so any federal flow on effect would whack Napthine rather than Abbott.
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An early election would be a good time for the public (the poor the sick and the old especially) to give Tony a whack.
:thumbsup
It would be an early Victorian state election through so any federal flow on effect would whack Napthine rather than Abbott.
I don't know why you assume I'm a simpleton?
Yes it would be an early Victorian state election. ::)
Voters, in part, would be voting Labor because Tony gives them the proverbials
And a resounding win for Victorian Labor would help marshal the anti Abbott forces in the Federal Liberal party.
::)
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Did anyone else find it pee poor that the football world celebrated the Tony Abbott government's meagre 500k donation to Adam Goodes' Indigenous program (complete with live TV appearance), after axing 534 million dollars in Federally funded Aboriginal Programs and Assistance?
Wheres the $533,500,000 balance being directed?
I suppose all those Ballet School Mansions, Knighthoods and School Chaplins arent going to pay for themselves....
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Not surprised after he took five billion a way from poor people worldwide - thay bed shaft the indigenous
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Looks like Tony has pissd off the Nationals as well as most of the rest of us.
:lol
Budget: Liberals boast of 'playing the Nats' over contentious fuel excise hike
By political reporters Mark Simkin and Latika Bourke
One of the budget's most contentious measures, the fuel excise, was born out of a double-dealing power play.
At the very top of the Government there was ferocious arguing, furious lobbying and extraordinary political manoeuvring, as senior Liberals tried to manipulate their Nationals colleagues.
This is the inside story.
Months out from budget day, senior ministers were searching for savings and contemplating something politically toxic.
They wanted to resume indexing the fuel excise to ensure petrol prices rise in line with inflation.
Treasury calculated the measure would reap $2.2 billion over the forward estimates and, most importantly, it would keep raising more and more money every year.
The hard-heads liked the idea but knew they had a problem. How would they get the Coalition's junior partner on board?
A cunning plan is born
Promising to pour money into roads would help, but higher petrol prices are still toxic in the bush, where people drive long distances. So they hatched a cunning plan.
At budget time, Treasury routinely suggests putting the diesel fuel rebate on the sacrificial chopping block.
Worth around $5.5 billion a year, critics call the rebate a hand out, but farmers and miners, who use diesel to run machinery and vehicles vital to their operations, consider it a Holy Grail.
They get a rebate because they use their trucks off road and because the diesel is a business input.
It is considered unfair and inefficient to slug inputs rather than outputs.
Some ministers liked the look of the potential savings but others considered it crazy and said so. Cabinet was split.
Julie Bishop, a West Australian, argued strenuously against touching the rebate.
Trade Minister Andrew Robb was equally vocal, telling colleagues the proposed change was "anti-investment" and would undermine Tony Abbott's mantra that Australia is "open for business".
The Nationals were apoplectic, with one saying "this is a fight we have to win". Barnaby Joyce, the Agriculture Minister, is said to have been "non-negotiable" over the issue.
Outside Parliament, powerful lobby groups were loading their muskets and sharpening their bayonets.
The farmers talked about tractors on the lawns of Parliament House. The miners warned of World War IV - World War III having been its devastatingly successful campaign against Kevin Rudd's super-profits tax.
'Play the Nats'
But it was all a game. Senior Liberals have told the ABC they were never serious about cutting the diesel fuel rebate.
They are boasting it was a tactic to "play the Nats"; the rebate was put on the agenda and deliberately leaked to inflame the Nationals so the party would support the higher fuel excise as the lesser of two evils.
"[Changing the rebate] was never the plan," one senior source declared. "Gina and Twiggy would've come after us" – a reference to two of Australia's richest miners, Gina Rinehart and Andrew Forrest.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-04/liberals-boast-of-playing-the-nats-over-fuel-excise/5500704
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Even John Howard thinks Tony's budget is unfair.
John Howard rebukes Tony Abbott over fairness
June 5, 2014
Michael Gordon
Former prime minister John Howard has delivered a guarded rebuke to Tony Abbott, saying today's politicians rely too heavily on slogans and declaring Australians will support change and reform so long as they are satisfied it is ''fundamentally fair''.
Describing politics today as less ideological than in his time, the country's second longest-serving prime minister has observed: ''We sometimes lose the capacity to argue the case - we think that it sufficient that we utter slogans.''
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/john-howard-rebukes-tony-abbott-over-fairness-20140604-39jgi.html
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Great post :clapping
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Ahh Poo it looked better before the snip with more Spam
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Australias multi billion dollar purchase of the F-35 has been described as a sham, with the development of the fighter icreasing by hundreds of Billions of dollars in the USA and taking over 20 years to deliver an end product.
The fighter has also come under massive scrutiny for not being able to undertake textbook sharp turns and evasive manoeuvres due to its weight and size, and would be "shredded" in every combat scenario by jets 30 years old, let alone Chinese and Russian planes currently under development and due for delivery.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=abb_1402178861
Well done Tony Abbott. $12,800,000,000.00 down the drain and the security of the country compromised.
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Welcome to America
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Half world food wastes woot http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/06/02/half-worlds-food-thrown-away/
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Feed the homeless to the hungry.
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New Country to visit ....
Canadia :clapping
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Feed the homeless to the hungry.
Whilst throwing away half of the worlds food daily
Consumer-captalism :bow
I know 1/2 the foodggets thrown away. But genetically modified food is still a good idea. :whistle
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Welcome to America
American cops given full war machines/drones to use on civilian population
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html?referrer=
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6vi528gseA&app=desktop
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Check out who Tony's dinner partner was when he met Rupert Murdoch.
Climate change a coolant for Tony Abbott's meeting with Barack Obama
June 12, 2014
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
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Dinner guests: Tony Abbott and his chief-of-staff, Peta Credlin, leave Rupert Murdoch's apartment building. Photo: Andrew Meares
Fundamental differences over climate-change policy continue to hamper Tony Abbott's capacity to build links in the US as both President Barack Obama and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon want more support from Australia for international action on carbon dioxide emissions.
Mr Abbott meets Mr Obama in the White House on Thursday (2am Friday AEST) for their first formal talks, and the issue of global warming is likely to arise. It is already the subject of pre-positioning by both sides.
Mr Obama recently announced a 30 per cent cut in emissions from coal-fired electricity generation by 2030, which he hopes to achieve through a combination of regulation and through delivering a price on carbon.
Mr Abbott, however, has made his opposition to carbon pricing and to binding international agreement even clearer. He used a visit to Canada before arriving in New York to caucus with the like-minded conservative leader Stephen Harper to publicly reinforce their contempt for carbon pricing. The two men expressed a newly articulated view against global limits, arguing individual countries should be free to determine their own action as long as there was no cost to economic growth.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/climate-change-a-coolant-for-tony-abbotts-meeting-with-barack-obama-20140611-39xrq.html#ixzz34NRJ82oF
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Puppets
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Remember all the fuss made about Peter Slipper, well guess who is paying his legal bill.
Taxpayers pick up Peter Slipper’s legal bills
The Australian
June 16, 2014
THE Abbott government is now paying the legal bills for Liberal turncoat Peter Slipper in the long-running sexual harassment suit bought by his former staffer James Ashby.
In another strange twist in the case, The Australian understands the commonwealth has indemnified Mr Slipper for what is likely to be more than $1 million in legal bills and possible compensation in the sexual harassment case that has been running for more than two years.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/taxpayers-pick-up-peter-slippers-legal-bills/story-e6frg6n6-1226955320405#
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Snip :banghead
Breaking site rules re language "F" word is not allowed :banghead
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Well the Libs have now got their double dissolution trigger if they want it.
Is Abbott that deluded tat he will take us to another election?
11:54am: But back in the Senate, there has been a vote on the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.
The Greens and Labor voted to block the abolition bill, 35 no to 28 aye.
That sets up a double dissolution trigger.
Should the Coalition want it.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-june-18-2014-20140618-3acex.html#ixzz34x8497XB
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They might have it but they won't use it
Go to the polls now they lose, public anger towards the budget ensures they haven't got the guts to use it. ;D
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Well the Libs have now got their double dissolution trigger if they want it.
Is Abbott that deluded tat he will take us to another election?
11:54am: But back in the Senate, there has been a vote on the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.
The Greens and Labor voted to block the abolition bill, 35 no to 28 aye.
That sets up a double dissolution trigger.
Should the Coalition want it.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-june-18-2014-20140618-3acex.html#ixzz34x8497XB
The Senate changes in 2 weeks and the balance of power will shift so the carbon tax will be gone
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/australias-carbon-tax-has-gone-for-good/story-fni0d8gi-1226954438359 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/australias-carbon-tax-has-gone-for-good/story-fni0d8gi-1226954438359)
TONY Abbott promised to stop the boats. They’ve been stopped.
Tony Abbott promised to abolish Julia Gillard and Christine Milne’s dishonest, punishing and utterly pointless carbon tax. When the Senate changes in two weeks, that now looks certain after Clive Palmer on Friday finally committed his four senators to abolition.
That leaves only fixing Labor’s debt and deficit budget mess to go, of the three big promises that the prime minister made in opposition.
:cheers
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Well the Libs have now got their double dissolution trigger if they want it.
Is Abbott that deluded tat he will take us to another election?
11:54am: But back in the Senate, there has been a vote on the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.
The Greens and Labor voted to block the abolition bill, 35 no to 28 aye.
That sets up a double dissolution trigger.
Should the Coalition want it.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-june-18-2014-20140618-3acex.html#ixzz34x8497XB
The Senate changes in 2 weeks and the balance of power will shift so the carbon tax will be gone
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/australias-carbon-tax-has-gone-for-good/story-fni0d8gi-1226954438359 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/australias-carbon-tax-has-gone-for-good/story-fni0d8gi-1226954438359)
TONY Abbott promised to stop the boats. They’ve been stopped.
Tony Abbott promised to abolish Julia Gillard and Christine Milne’s dishonest, punishing and utterly pointless carbon tax. When the Senate changes in two weeks, that now looks certain after Clive Palmer on Friday finally committed his four senators to abolition.
That leaves only fixing Labor’s debt and deficit budget mess to go, of the three big promises that the prime minister made in opposition.
:cheers
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :cheers
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Yes he stopped the boats but at what cost (and I'm not talking dollars)
Great article below that outlines all the promises he has broken since the election
Then and now: the Abbott government's broken promises
Date May 14, 2014
On the eve of the 2013 federal election Tony Abbott promised no cuts to education, health, or the ABC and SBS, and no changes to pensions. Fairfax Media looks at how those promises fared in the Abbott government's first budget.
Broadcasting
•“...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.” (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Treasurer Joe Hockey announced $43.5 million in cuts over four years in Tuesday's budget.
Education, health
•“No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade.
•“We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013)
All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks.
Taxes
•“No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012)
The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000.
Pensions
•"No changes to pensions" (Tony Abbott, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation.
Foreign Aid
•“From 2014/15, the $5 billion aid budget will grow each year in line with the Consumer Price Index” (Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, January 2014)
The Treasurer revealed foreign aid would be frozen, leading to a massive $7.6 billion cut over next 5 years.
Indigenous affairs
•"The Coalition will continue the current level of funding expended on Closing the Gap activities." (Coalition policy document, September 2013)
Tuesday's budget cut $500 million through the consolidation of 150 programs.
Environment
•‘‘ARENA will have over $2.5 billion in funds to manage." (Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane, November 2013)
The ARENA (the Australian Reneweable Energy Agency) has been axed.
•"The Coalition will promote the use of solar energy by Australian families and households. It will ensure at least one million additional solar homes or community centres by 2020." (Greg Hunt, December 2011)
Tuesday's budget scrapped the government's Direct Action policy to fund rebates for the installation of solar panels and deliver 1 million solar roofs.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/then-and-now-the-abbott-governments-broken-promises-20140514-zrcfr.html#ixzz34xbGWw6D
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:clapping :lol :cheers :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Good argument.
Obviously you don't like the facts.
Abbott lied to get into power and he is still lying now.
I just don't understand how people can believe the crap.
:cheers
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"If we divide their 700 Trillion by the population of planet earth (7 Billion),
each person on the planet would have $100,000 additional to what they have...
If we divided the top 10 peoples wealth we'd all be very close to millionaires,
while they could all stay trillionaires"
(House of Rothschild average estimate money. . 7T]
Snip :banghead
Breaking site rules re language "F" word is not allowed :banghead
Sorry I didn't see it u was focusing on the important bit
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Good argument.
Obviously you don't like the facts.
Abbott lied to get into power and he is still lying now.
I just don't understand how people can believe the crap.
:cheers
Shock Horror and OMG
A politician lied
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Good argument.
Obviously you don't like the facts.
Abbott lied to get into power and he is still lying now.
I just don't understand how people can believe the crap.
:cheers
Shock Horror and OMG
A politician lied
This was not just one lie.
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Good argument.
Obviously you don't like the facts.
Abbott lied to get into power and he is still lying now.
I just don't understand how people can believe the crap.
:cheers
Shock Horror and OMG
A politician lied
I know. Its just democracy turning to poo. What's the big deal right?
Have a coke and watch the kardashians.
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Good argument.
Obviously you don't like the facts.
Abbott lied to get into power and he is still lying now.
I just don't understand how people can believe the crap.
:cheers
Shock Horror and OMG
A politician lied
This was not just one lie.
Breaking news, it was more than one lie, the hide of one term Tony
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Ladies and gentleman,
My dear fell or Richmond fan,
At the end of the day there is no real difference in the two major parties. Regardless of who is elected 99% of the actions will remain as the powers to be want it. Its just a game to make people think they actually have some power and a side show of puppets that are politician. A false democracy where banks and oil companies pull the strings. Specifically the few families that control such groups.
Good luck to Australia. I would recommend attempting to become less of a unofficial American state in the future
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Ladies and gentleman,
My dear fell or Richmond fan,
At the end of the day there is no real difference in the two major parties. Regardless of who is elected 99% of the actions will remain as the powers to be want it. Its just a game to make people think they actually have some power and a side show of puppets that are politician. A false democracy where banks and oil companies pull the strings. Specifically the few families that control such groups.
Good luck to Australia. I would recommend attempting to become less of a unofficial American state in the future
Gillard got in and broke one promise (no carbon tax) and got hammered for 3 years.
Abbott so far has broken at least a dozen.
Gillard only broke her promise because the independents insisted in turn for their support to form government.
Abbott broke his because he is absolute prick
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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-19/high-court-delivers-verdict-on-school-chaplaincy-program/5534546
Prime Minister Tony Abbott says the Government will examine ways to ensure the program continues.
Yes, Tony will find a way to crowbar his bible bashers into schools.
Where as the UK have banned teaching such mythology in public schools
http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/uk-bans-teaching-creationism-state-funded-schools
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Ladies and gentleman,
My dear fell or Richmond fan,
At the end of the day there is no real difference in the two major parties. Regardless of who is elected 99% of the actions will remain as the powers to be want it. Its just a game to make people think they actually have some power and a side show of puppets that are politician. A false democracy where banks and oil companies pull the strings. Specifically the few families that control such groups.
Good luck to Australia. I would recommend attempting to become less of a unofficial American state in the future
Gillard got in and broke one promise (no carbon tax) and got hammered for 3 years.
Abbott so far has broken at least a dozen.
Gillard only broke her promise because the independents insisted in turn for their support to form government.
Abbott broke his because he is absolute prick
Think bigger. Who owns the Reserve Bank of Australia?
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Think bigger. Who owns the Reserve Bank of Australia?
:lol :lol
Why don't you enlighten us all and tell us ;D
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Think bigger. Who owns the Reserve Bank of Australia?
:lol :lol
Why don't you enlighten us all and tell us ;D
You are the accountant. What's the answer. Easy to laugh
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You are the accountant. What's the answer. Easy to laugh
It's becasue I am the accountant that I wont answer but will laugh
:lol :lol
the old trick question from way back when :rollin
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Ladies and gentleman,
My dear fell or Richmond fan,
At the end of the day there is no real difference in the two major parties. Regardless of who is elected 99% of the actions will remain as the powers to be want it. Its just a game to make people think they actually have some power and a side show of puppets that are politician. A false democracy where banks and oil companies pull the strings. Specifically the few families that control such groups.
Good luck to Australia. I would recommend attempting to become less of a unofficial American state in the future
Gillard got in and broke one promise (no carbon tax) and got hammered for 3 years.
Abbott so far has broken at least a dozen.
Gillard only broke her promise because the independents insisted in turn for their support to form government.
Abbott broke his because he is absolute prick
Think bigger. Who owns the Reserve Bank of Australia?
Mutley from Wacky Races
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Think bigger. Who owns the Reserve Bank of Australia?
Mutley from Wacky Races
Wrong Ramps
It's Brains from The Thunderbirds ;D
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Think bigger. Who owns the Reserve Bank of Australia?
Mutley from Wacky Races
Wrong Ramps
It's Brains from The Thunderbirds ;D
:lol
I'm sure once Judge gets bored with sitting in the corner eating flies he may give us a clue. After all he is OER's very own arbiter of truth.
FWIW I thought it was either Nathan Tinkler or Ken Done.
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You are the accountant. What's the answer. Easy to laugh
It's becasue I am the accountant that I wont answer but will laugh
:lol :lol
the old trick question from way back when :rollin
I didn't know it was an old trick question. I was hoping for a proper answer
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You are the accountant. What's the answer. Easy to laugh
It's becasue I am the accountant that I wont answer but will laugh
:lol :lol
the old trick question from way back when :rollin
I didn't know it was an old trick question. I was hoping for a proper answer
Yep so am I, so please tell us.
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You are the accountant. What's the answer. Easy to laugh
It's becasue I am the accountant that I wont answer but will laugh
:lol :lol
the old trick question from way back when :rollin
I didn't know it was an old trick question. I was hoping for a proper answer
Yep so am I, so please tell us.
x2
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Whack, Whack, Whack
Worth reading...
Saving Joe Hockey: the budget we should have had
June 20, 2014 - 11:31AM
Michael Pascoe
Ask not what the federal treasurer can do for you, but what you can do for the federal treasurer – as he obviously needs all the help he can get.
The whole nation suffers when consumers lose heart. Thus Joe Hockey's spectacularly unpopular first budget is proving economically damaging as well. While the Reserve Bank's verdict is out on the implications of the sharp consumer confidence dive, the budget itself features a sharper fiscal contraction than the central bank expected.
So, for the sake of the nation, here are a few steps that could restore a little confidence by removing some of the budget's more contentious aspects and improving the communication.
A few of the fixes are relatively easy, but the bigger issues will require an injection of political courage to deal honestly with the electorate. First the easy stuff:
Hose down the Medicare brawl
You want to introduce a co-payment for those currently bulk-billing? Here's a reasonable olive branch: exempt all pensioners and children under 18. That wipes out the main complaint about the announced policy – the idea that a financially-stretched parent would hesitate about taking a sick child to the doctor.
Once you have slipped "co-payments" into the system, you can always fiddle it a bit more later on.
The ruse of claiming this pricing initiative is for a medical research fund - "the budget that cures cancer!" – hasn't scored thanks to the government's broader credibility problem. Better at least reinstate the funding for the commercialisation of our existing quite strong medical research. That might at least improve credibility in the research community.
Sell fuel excise indexation
This is a matter of trying to overcome the government's weakness of being unable to effectively communicate with an electorate that has lost trust in politicians making promises that mean nothing – the price paid for chanting "no new taxes".
The compromise here would be to offer the reverse of the current age pension indexation – excise should rise by the lesser of the CPI or average weekly earnings. This should make it easier to explain to people that indexation won't cost them more in real terms, that the fuel tax should merely remain constant as a proportion of household budgets. Having created the monster of forever telling Australians that they're doing it tough, this would at least allow the line that indexing fuel excise will make it no tougher.
It would help if the government had credibility about specifically spending fuel excise on roads – but that's a bit hard when there's actually a cutback in federal money going into transport in 2014-15. So let the deficit slide a little more to allocate funds to Infrastructure Australia's hit list and move beyond the current focus on three mega-projects. It's easier to sell a story if it's also the truth.
The under-30 dole doozy
Denying the dole to those under 30 for six months arguably is the harshest single issue in the budget. When you're promising a higher unemployment rate anyway and arming those over 50 with a $10,000 incentive to be employed, there's an ugly element of doctrinaire cruelty in punishing people for not getting jobs that aren't there. Sure, Eric Abetz would like to reinstate an underclass of cheap itinerant rural labour, willing to work for little more than bed'n'board, but even dedicated Liberal supporters are uneasy about this one – perhaps with a view to higher crime rates.
But it's also the easiest problem to fix: just drop it. It won't get through the Senate anyway so better to confess it was a terrible mistake and ditch it without trying to defend it. Blame an unhealthy IPA element in the party and purge them. Besides, you don't really need the IPA and Murdoch extremists now – remember that you are now in government.
Pension indexation changes
Given the demographic tsunami building up a little over the horizon, limiting age pension indexation to the CPI is a sound policy. Current living standards will be maintained and improvements above that become something that the government of the day will have to deal with as finances and politics permit.
The sales pitch here is complicated because the immediate hook relies on the coalition's fundamentally flawed carbon policy. With Palmer's puppies giving you what you want on that front, do the maths on what Labor's carbon tax pension compensation gift was worth, add the amount that allegedly will be saved by scrapping the carbon price and demonstrate that it actually adds up to years of above-CPI indexation. Promise to revisit indexation when the double-carbon-effect nominally runs out.
Transform the GST
Everyone knows what you're up to and what you'd like to do. The current cunning plan of forcing the states to demand a widening or deepening of the GST is politically reasonable, but it's not enough to counter the public's understandable cynicism about your "no, never" promises in the election campaign.
However sound the argument about the proportion of direct taxation and over-reliance on income tax, however reasonable it is that the disadvantaged can be compensated, it won't go down well with people who can only see the cost.
So change the GST into the HST – the Health Services Tax. Demonstrate that it is specifically levied to pay the states' health care costs, costs that can't otherwise be met. Australians don't mind paying tax so much if they can see it's being spent on something that is important to them.
With the $80 billion you're slicing from what the states thought they would be getting for hospitals and education, it shouldn't be difficult to get them onside. And you could try to paint yourself as genuinely concerned about maintaining health standards.
Education dedication
You're being given low marks for your dedication to improving education, probably because you're not dedicated. The flip-flopping on Gonski was shameful and Christopher Pyne's hair splitting has been as bad a look as two big finance types sucking fat cigars.
(And while mentioning it, quit the cigars. Most Australians are intelligent enough to realise smoking is a dumb look. Again, you no longer have to follow the Murdoch/IPA line. And it's bad for you.)
But improving education is hard. It's the most important investment you make in Australia's future. In the long run, it may be the only thing you can really do to maintain Australia's living standards.
Leaving it to the states hasn't worked and won't work. The "competitive federalism" ideology is a crock – it dooms the poorer and dumber states to becoming poorer and dumber.
Thus it's not possible to abandon Gonski unless you have something better to replace it. Your job of being a responsible treasurer includes changing your colleagues' language: it's not a matter of spending on education, but investing in it.
This investment is required across the board – from childcare/pre-school through to tertiary. This probably is your second-hardest job. You could start by grabbing the $5 billion earmarked for the Tony Abbott's paid parental leave thingy and applying it to childcare/preschool.
But that leads to your hardest immediate job:
Man up to Tony
You have an increasingly unpopular leader, or a decreasingly popular one, if you prefer it that way. Having successfully helped the Labor Party to lose the election, he had the shortest political honeymoon in living memory and now enjoys all the credibility of Tony Abbott. Yet he seems to be happily riding roughshod and unchallenged over the government, from an expensive mistake like the PPL to the rich symbolism of his knights and dames.
In your own department, you have the shame of being forced by a vindictive leader to flick the Treasury secretary you respect and need and recognise as the best person for the job. You have the backing of party elders Howard and Costello in wanting to keep him – but, so far, you've lacked the ticker to simply say "no" to your leader.
This should be acutely embarrassing for you. If you're not capable of reining in your prime minister now, there's a strong chance he'll get worse. That's what routinely happens with CEOs who consider themselves bulletproof and aren't given reality checks.
Coming clean
All this is only possible if you start by levelling with the Australian people, dropping the Opposition act of blaming everything on Labor and pretending everything will be hunky-dory if we just scrap the carbon price and mineral resources rent tax.
Having cried "wolf" for four years over the non-existent immediate budget "crisis", it's hard to take the people with you for the difficult job of fixing the longer-term budget challenge.
You have to play a less partisan role – it's a sign of confident leadership if you can – and explain that the last two terms of the Howard/Costello government and the start of the Rudd government were plain wrong in putting tax cuts and handouts ahead of the nation's needs.
It should be easier to sell the freezing of tax benefit indexation if people are told the truth: they shouldn't have had it in the first place. Take comfort from the Labor polling that showed voters would have preferred Rudd's "me too" tax cuts to have been spent on health and education.
Part of levelling with the population has to be honesty about tax revenue and expenditures. That also solves questions of the budget's "fairness".
If we want to have the NDIS and greater investment in education, we're going to have to pay for it. Some of the unnecessary and very costly expenditures will have to be trimmed and some extra revenue eventually will have to be raised.
That means superannuation changes. It only makes sense for the Tax Office to subsidise super up to the point of not requiring the pension. Beyond that, it's not the role of government to provide incentives for the wealthy to become wealthier – and there's no need to.
ASFA's white paper on superannuation is a starting point for dealing with lump sums.
And while a more rational and reasonable super system should be part of the tax review, you don't need to wait for another election if you're honest with the population. Confess that you were wrong to oppose and overturn the minor super reforms of Labor's last budget – that people on the lowest tax bracket shouldn't be penalised for putting money into super and that the well-off paying 15 per cent tax on super fund earnings of more than $100,000 a year is more than fair.
Clean out hangers on
While you're at it, in the spirit of new-found honesty and the longer-term challenge, reinstate Labor's FBT changes as well. The salary packaging industry is just another bunch of undeserving rent seekers leeching the taxpayer – they have no more right to expect government largesse than car makers.
It would show ticker and integrity to do it sooner rather than later as you know your tax review will recommend – if that review itself has ticker and integrity.
The salary packagers are just one of the hangers on you would be better off without. Again, it's a matter of realising you're in government now. They need you, you don't need them. It was one thing to jump into bed with any and everyone who was opposed to Labor, but you can rediscover principle now that you're not dependent on them.
Oh, they'll whinge and moan out of self-interest, but the rent seekers, tax dodgers and favour extractors are the nation's real leaners.
Lighten up
Crucially, facing up to the challenge doesn't require talking down the economy. The gloom-and-doom thing you did every day for four years seems to have become a habit.
Most of the economic news since February has been pretty good, a chance for you to claim credit for restoring confidence, but you stuck with the glass-half-empty face and your exaggerated mid-year economic and fiscal outlook (MYEFO) figures. Your budget's forecast for 2013-14 GDP looked pretty silly within weeks thanks to the national accounts showing 3.5 per cent growth in the year to March.
Joe, it's time to accentuate the positive because there's a lot of it. Many things are going well for Australia but you're still scaring people with dire warnings of economic disaster unless the lower classes keep their place.
It might appal you, but you actually need to make Labor voters happy with their lot. There are more of them than coalition voters now, so depressing the majority is a silly thing.
Labor voters think you and Tony Abbott are worse than the GFC. That's not helpful.
It's in your own political interest to cheer up, to win back the hearts and minds, or at least the votes, of those who only voted for you to get rid of the Gillard/Rudd circus. The last thing you want is to disappoint them so much that they'll vote for Palmer next time.
Besides, optimists live longer, are more successful and are generally nicer people. Give it a go. You just might realise you wouldn't want to be anywhere else on earth and that politics doesn't have to be the duplicitous, nasty and decidedly grubby game all sides have made it.
We're collectively sick of that, Joe, sick of mates of one colour or the other concentrating on helping those of the same colour, of putting the interests of their political party ahead of the nation. If we were offered some integrity by a leader, there's a good chance we'd follow.
Michael Pascoe is a Business Day contributing editor.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/saving-joe-hockey-the-budget-we-should-have-had-20140619-3aer7.html#ixzz359OyRr90
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Think bigger. Who owns the Reserve Bank of Australia?
Mutley from Wacky Races
Wrong Ramps
It's Brains from The Thunderbirds ;D
:lol
I'm sure once Judge gets bored with sitting in the corner eating flies he may give us a clue. After all he is OER's very own arbiter of truth.
FWIW I thought it was either Nathan Tinkler or Ken Done.
The privately owned powers to be own both US and aust fed reserve
Before 9-11 there were reportedly seven: Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. Outside this same system. Today remains just Cuba. Iran. NKorea.
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The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.
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OK, now Abbott has gone too far.
Outsourcing Play School FFS.
:banghead
Government review offers secret ABC downsizing plan
June 24, 2014
Matthew Knott
The Abbott government's cost-cutting review of the ABC envisages a radical shake-up that would lead to the outsourcing of most television programs, including flagship shows such as Play School and At the Movies, to the private sector and a further centralisation of operations in Sydney.
Fairfax Media has been briefed on the confidential report and can reveal it has estimated the ABC would save a net $70 million by outsourcing all television production to the private sector. On top of $90 million reaped by selling off production facilities, the proposal would save $400,000 each year. Implementation costs would be $20 million.
There is ''significant scope'' for savings by increasing the use of external production studios rather than filming television programs internally, the efficiency review finds.
The ABC increasingly relies on programs purchased from the independent production sector, but still makes in-house some of its most loved programs - including Play School, At the Movies and Spicks and Specks.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-review-offers-secret-abc-downsizing-plan-20140623-3aoyo.html#ixzz35V6GZiZQ
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Seriously 1965?
This is a big deal why?
In the scheme of things how is this a big "gone to far" :banghead?
Surely there is more important issues than saving cash on account of bloody play school.
Can you dig up some Gillard and Rudd articles please. Things seem a little one way.
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Seriously 1965?
This is a big deal why?
In the scheme of things how is this a big "gone to far" :banghead?
Surely there is more important issues than saving cash on account of bloody play school.
Can you dig up some Gillard and Rudd articles please. Things seem a little one way.
You are kidding?
Play School is an experience most people have experienced (as kids or parents)
It is an institution and has been on our screens since 1966.
It is the longest-running children's show in Australia, and the second longest running children's show in the world. An estimated 80% of pre-school children under six watch the programme at least once a week.
It was admitted to the Logies Hall of Fame on its 40th anniversary in 2006. This was in recognition of the strong influence the show has had in at least three generations of Australian children. Play School was the third show to enter the Hall of Fame in its own right, after Four Corners (1992) and Neighbours (2005), it is also the first children's show inducted in the Logie Hall of Fame.
It is as much a part of Australia as Football, Kangaroos and meat pies.
And this prick of a PM thinks he can just kill it off.
:cheers
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Seriously 1965?
This is a big deal why?
In the scheme of things how is this a big "gone to far" :banghead?
Surely there is more important issues than saving cash on account of bloody play school.
Can you dig up some Gillard and Rudd articles please. Things seem a little one way.
Please dont interupt 1965's vendetta.
He is keeping occupied which is very important for senior citizens to do otherwise their minds wander
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Am I alone in thinking this is a step too far?
'65
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Am I alone in thinking this is a step too far?
'65
No, I agree you have gone too far
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Am I alone in thinking this is a step too far?
'65
You're alone in thinking it's the end of the world. FFS, the show isn't being killed off, it's being made by another company in order to save money, the ABC will be the customer and still maintain control of the content and end result.
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Am I alone in thinking this is a step too far?
'65
pretty good chance that is the case.
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:lol
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Logic's bare in there
But he'll still spam 'em to hell
With cut n paste
Stories he tells
Open wide, come inside
65's head.....
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Have you people no heart, no sense of justice.
I weep for your souls.
:(
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Logic's bare in there
But he'll still spam 'em to hell
With cut n paste
Stories he tells
Open wide, come inside
65's head.....
As for you...
Learn some history.
Emperor Diocletian did more to establish Christianity than any other person, bar JC himself, in history.
:cheers
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Logic's bare in there
But he'll still spam 'em to hell
With cut n paste
Stories he tells
Open wide, come inside
65's head.....
lol.
This reminds me of Simon Towsend's (I think ?) rant.
"You killed Fat Cat!"
"You killed Fat Cat!"
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Logic's bare in there
But he'll still spam 'em to hell
With cut n paste
Stories he tells
Open wide, come inside
65's head.....
As for you...
Learn some history.
Emperor Diocletian did more to establish Christianity than any other person, bar JC himself, in history.
:cheers
Yeah who taught you that? Big Ted or Jemima?
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Logic's bare in there
But he'll still spam 'em to hell
With cut n paste
Stories he tells
Open wide, come inside
65's head.....
As for you...
Learn some history.
Emperor Diocletian did more to establish Christianity than any other person, bar JC himself, in history.
:cheers
Yeah who taught you that? Big Ted or Jemima?
B1 and B2.
:thumbsup
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Eat poo tony. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/23/un-rejects-australia-tasmanian-forest-heritage
The Federal Government has lost a bid to delist more than 70,000 hectares of forest from Tasmania's World Heritage Area (WHA).
The United Nations' World Heritage Committee, meeting in Doha, took just 10 minutes to reject the Government's application to reverse protection for 74,000 hectares.
The area was part of 170,000 hectares added to the WHA last year under Tasmania's forest peace deal enacted by the former state and federal Labor governments.
News of the decision was quickly welcomed by conservation groups, including former Greens leader Bob Brown who described the decision as a "global diplomatic humiliation" for the Abbott Government.
External Link: Bob Brown forest delisting tweet
The Coalition had argued the 74,000 hectares were degraded by previous logging and should be unlocked for the timber industry.
But opponents to the move said only 8.6 per cent of the forests had been disturbed, with the rest being pristine old-growth rainforest.
Speaking from Doha, delegates from Portugal said "accepting this delisting would set an unacceptable precedent".
Wilderness Society campaign manager Vica Bayley said the decision showed the world was behind preserving the forest.
"Over here in Doha, environmentalists and Aboriginal Tasmanians are together welcoming this decision because it does protect the integrity of the Tasmanian World Heritage Area and it would protect that in perpetuity," he said.
Seen as a twit world wide. Should retrain his respect by bagging punt again
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http://m.smh.com.au/business/glencore-tax-bill-on-15b-income-zip-zilch-zero-20140626-3awg0.html
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Logic's bare in there
But he'll still spam 'em to hell
With cut n paste
Stories he tells
Open wide, come inside
65's head.....
As for you...
Learn some history.
Emperor Diocletian did more to establish Christianity than any other person, bar JC himself, in history.
:cheers
Yeah who taught you that? Big Ted or Jemima?
B1 and B2.
:thumbsup
Diocletian, have you looked up your history yet?
:lol
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You are the accountant. What's the answer. Easy to laugh
It's becasue I am the accountant that I wont answer but will laugh
:lol :lol
the old trick question from way back when :rollin
I didn't know it was an old trick question. I was hoping for a proper answer
Yep so am I, so please tell us.
x2
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/763988-is-the-fed-unconstitutional/
He's only got four harved degrees. Must be a tin hat wearing nutter
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Tony showing his true colours.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott's comments on British settlement 'highly offensive', says Nova Peris
By political reporter Andrew Greene
Senator Nova Peris describes the Prime Minister's comments as a set back and offensive.
Aboriginal Labor Senator Nova Peris claims bipartisan efforts to recognise Indigenous people in the Australian Constitution have been set back by the Prime Minister's comments on British settlement.
In comments after an economic speech in Melbourne on Thursday night Tony Abbott said Australia had been "unsettled" before the arrival of the First Fleet.
"I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or scarcely settled great south land," Mr Abbott told the Melbourne Institute Economic Conference.
In a statement, Senator Peris hit out at Mr Abbott's comments, saying they had offended Aboriginal Australians and many other people around the country.
"The comments were highly offensive, dismissive of Indigenous peoples and simply incorrect," Senator Peris said.
"British settlement was not foreign investment. It was occupation.
"Current foreign investment in Australia can be defended, promoted and debated without such insensitive statements from the Prime Minister."
Mr Abbott's chief Indigenous adviser Warren Mundine, who was in the audience for Mr Abbott's speech, has also described the comments as "silly".
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said: "This was an offensive thing to say, especially from someone who proclaims to be Prime Minister for Indigenous Australia".
Mr Abbott's office declined to comment, as did Reconciliation Australia
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-04/pms-british-settlement-comments-highly-offensive-peris/5572718
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How rude.
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:facepalm
Though I'm still trying to get my head around his comments about Sri Lanka's human rights record
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I didn't read his comments WP - what were they?
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Some lying crap to justify screwing over refugees one assumes
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I didn't read his comments WP - what were they?
Just that Sri Lanka is now a peaceful country even though DFAT has current travel warning. Plus he "praised" their progress in human rights ... It came when he was asked about the boat with Tamils that's supposedly be turned around but no one from the govt will confirm or give details
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You don't agree they've made progress in human rights?
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You don't agree they've made progress in human rights?
Yeah after that civil war things were more peaceful
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Usually is.
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You don't agree they've made progress in human rights?
Yeah they have but think they have along way to go.
Especially when you read about the number of Tamels that appear to be continuing to flee. That suggest to me it's still not great
However, the part that got me and had me shaking my head was when the PM said it was peaceful country when DFAT is saying don't travel there. Thought it was a bizarre bordering on embarrassing statement.
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Jews burns Palestinian boy alive for revenge
Bbc
Palestinian Mohammad Abu Khdair 'was burned alive'
Mohammed Abu Khdair, shown in an undated family photo, was seen being forced into a car
Continue reading the main story
Mid-East crisis
Vicious cycle
Grief and anger
Vanishing point Watch
Disappearing dream
A Palestinian teenager killed in Jerusalem was burned alive, first post mortem examination findings quoted by the Palestinian attorney-general say.
"The direct cause of death was burns as a result of fire," Mohammed al-A'wewy was quoted as saying.
Israeli authorities say the circumstances surrounding the death of Mohammad Abu Khdair, 16, are unclear.
His death followed the abduction and murder of three young Israelis, with violent clashes spreading overnight.
The post mortem examination on Mohammad Abu Khdair was carried out by Israeli doctors, with Saber al-Aloul, the director of the Palestinian forensic institute, in attendance.
The Palestinian official news agency Wafa quoted the attorney-general as saying that Mr Aloul had reported fire dust in the respiratory canal, meaning the victim had "inhaled this material while he was burnt alive".
Mohammad Abu Khdair, who had also suffered a head injury, had burns to 90% of the body, it was reported.
James Reynolds reports from the funeral procession
The findings have not been officially released.
Mohammad Abu Khdair's family believe he was killed in revenge for the murders of the three Israeli teenagers.
The bodies of Naftali Frenkel and Gilad Shaar, both aged 16, and 19-year-old Eyal Yifrach were found on 30 June. Their funerals were held on Wednesday.
Thousands attended Mohammad Abu Khdair's funeral on Friday near the family's home in the Shufat district of East Jerusalem.
Hundreds of Palestinian youths clashed with Israeli police in East Jerusalem before and after the funeral.
The clashes continued overnight in the West Bank and spread to Israeli-Arab towns in northern Israel.
Protesters near Nablus on Friday - the violence spread overnight into Saturday
Israeli teenagers Naftali Frenkel, Gilad Shaar and Eyal Yifrach went missing near Hebron on 12 June and their bodies were found on Monday
Israeli police spokeswoman Luba Samri said protesters burned tyres and hurled rocks. Disturbances were reported in Taibe and Tira.
Police responded with tear gas and stun grenades and more than 20 people were arrested.
Clashes were also reported in the central town of Qalansawe overnight, with Jewish drivers attacked and some cars torched.
Haaretz reported that some 50 Palestinians and 13 policemen were hurt in clashes, which it said had spread to all of East Jerusalem's districts.
It quoted Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman as saying that rioters "do not belong in the state of Israel - and until that is resolved, their place is in jail".
PM's pledge
Israeli officials handed the body of Mohammad Abu Khdair to his family on Friday morning.
He was seen being forced into a car in Shufat early on Wednesday and his body was later found in West Jerusalem.
The killing came after the bodies of the three Israeli seminary students were found near the city of Hebron on Monday, two-and-a-half weeks after they were abducted.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu blamed their deaths on Hamas. It has denied any involvement.
Mr Netanyahu also condemned the killers of the Palestinian teenager and vowed to bring the perpetrators to justice.
Are you in the areas affected by the recent clashes? You can email your experiences to haveyoursay@bbc.co.uk using the subject 'Israeli-Palestinian clashes'.
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You don't agree they've made progress in human rights?
Yeah they have but think they have along way to go.
Especially when you read about the number of Tamels that appear to be continuing to flee. That suggest to me it's still not great
However, the part that got me and had me shaking my head was when the PM said it was peaceful country when DFAT is saying don't travel there. Thought it was a bizarre bordering on embarrassing statement.
DFAT actually doesn't say that. They have 4 levels of classification in their Travel Advice:
1. Exercise normal safety precautions
2. Exercise a high degree of caution
3. Reconsider your need to travel
4. Do not travel.
Currently Sri Lanka is on the 2nd lowest classification - Exercise a high degree of caution - and none of their regions are listed any higher, unlike India where many Tamils are currently located, which has classified areas as 'Reconsider" and even 'Do not travel'. DFAT's advice is to Australian citizens travelling to other countries and has no bearing on the safety or otherwise of political, religious or social persecution of local citizens that might lead to them fleeing as a refugee.
Here's some interesting reading from different sources:
An article in the Toronto Sun 12 months after the war ended:
OTTAWA - A secret government survey reveals the majority of successful Tamil refugees travel back to Sri Lanka, raising questions about the legitimacy of their refugee status.
To become a refugee, a claimant must prove they are in danger of torture, there is a risk to their life or meet other criteria showing they will face persecution in their home country. Yet this did not stop over 70% of successful Tamil refugee claimants surveyed from returning to Sri Lanka for vacations, business or to sponsor family members.
"I think it's been fairly common knowledge, that after asylum seekers get status they go back," said James Bissett a former head of Immigration Canada. "Certainly after they get landed immigrant status they go back."
Bissett said such abuse should not happen but is all too common in a system he says is known to be generous, open and easy to play. "The name of the game is to get into Canada," said Bissett. "It's Hotel California, everyone checks in but they never leave."
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/08/21/15098766.html (http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/08/21/15098766.html)
From Bloomberg news in 2013:
U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron has been misled about conditions for Tamils in the north of the country, cricketer Muttiah Muralitharan, a Tamil and national hero, said today.
The lives of people are improving, Muralitharan, who took 800 test wickets, told reporters at an event in Colombo with Cameron to promote reconciliation on the island. Cameron, who traveled to the north yesterday, confronted President Mahinda Rajapaksa last night about refugees, intimidation of journalists and the need for an inquiry into alleged crimes against humanity at the end of the country’s 26-year civil war in 2009.
“In wartime I went with the UN, I saw the place, how it was,” Muralitharan said. “Now I regularly go and I see the place and it is about a 1,000 percent improvement in facilities,” he said.
Cameron, who is in Sri Lanka for a Commonwealth summit, praised Muralitharan’s work to bring people together and said he had been right to travel to the north to see for himself what is going on.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-16/cameron-misled-on-tamils-living-conditions-muralitharan-says.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-16/cameron-misled-on-tamils-living-conditions-muralitharan-says.html)
The UNHCR 2014 Regional Operations Profile:
Although India, Nepal and Sri Lanka are not signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention, they offer asylum to a considerable number of refugees. For its part, UNHCR cooperates with the Governments of these countries, as well as with NGOs and other stakeholders, to protect and assist urban refugees. It also helps to seek comprehensive solutions for internally displaced people (IDPs) and protracted refugee situations.
India grants asylum and provides direct assistance to some 200,000 refugees from neighbouring countries. As the country lacks a national legal framework for asylum, UNHCR conducts registration and refugee status determination (RSD), mostly for arrivals from Afghanistan and Myanmar. More than 24,000 refugees and asylum-seekers of diverse origins are protected and assisted by the Office in India.
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Five years after the end of the conflict in Sri Lanka, the majority of those who were IDPs in the country have returned to their place of origin. However, an undetermined number of individuals remain in protracted displacement, unable to return home owing to housing, land and property issues. Although there has been significant progress in re-establishing infrastructure in the north, some returnees continue to face difficulties in earning a livelihood and meeting their basic needs.
Sri Lanka has seen a growing number of people arriving seeking asylum, and this trend is likely to continue. While national security is expected to be the Government's primary concern, problems of refoulement or the deportation of people of concern are not anticipated. The return of Sri Lankan refugees will continue, albeit at a slower pace.
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e4878e6.html (http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e4878e6.html)
And from Lankan News Web published on World Refugee Day 2014:
The Global Trends report 2014 shows that the number of refugees and IDPs under UNHCR care has more than doubled in a decade – from 15 million in 2004 to 35.6 million today. For the first time in the post-World War II era, forced displacement has exceeded 50 million people worldwide. UNHCR has given much needed hope by protecting tens of millions of refugees, asylum seekers and internally displaced persons by providing them with the support needed to rebuild their lives. In Asia, millions of forcibly displaced wait for durable solutions, long-running and new conflicts continue to force more people to search for safe havens. At present, Asia remains one of the largest refugee producing regions in the world.
In this global and regional context, Sri Lanka has made progress in reintegrating the returning Sri Lankan refugees and by being a host country to many of those that flee violence in the region. Since the conflict in Sri Lanka ended in May 2009, UNHCR has helped over 11,400 Sri Lankan refugees who have returned voluntarily to restart their lives. Similarly, though numbers remain low in comparison to other host countries in the region, Sri Lanka currently hosts 291 refugees and 1547 asylum seekers, all of whom are registered with UNHCR.
Sri Lankan government has made great strides in reintegrating 573,651 returning internally displaced persons since the end of civil conflict in 2009. UNHCR continues to assist the government in finding durable solutions for the remaining IDPs. Likewise, Sri Lanka has very effectively dealt with the issue of statelessness on its territory by passing legislation enabling Tamils of Indian Origin, who had been previously disenfranchised, and a population of ethnic Chinese, who had been in the country since the 1940s, to access citizenship. Sri Lanka is often cited as the best practice in the region in resolving issues of statelessness.
lankanewsweb.net/news/7949-unhcr-marks-world-refugee-day-2014
From a SMH article this week:
But some passengers on board the latest Tamil boats thought they were bound for New Zealand. They were acutely aware they would be sent to Manus Island or Nauru if they reached Australia.
"I thought maybe it was to Italy, or France, or Tunisia," said Ragajini, the 32-year-old wife of one of the men on the fishing trawler. "I did not know where he was going and he did not know, either."
Ragajini, who has their two children with her, sobbed as she spoke from the Aliyar camp for Tamil refugees in the Coimbatore district in the far west of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu. Her husband had crippling debts and had needed to escape to a country where he could earn money, she said.
smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tamil-asylum-seekers-ghosts-on-the-high-seas-20140704-zsw0g.html#ixzz36e9qhoJK
From The Australian yesterday:
Chandra Kumari, 32, told The Australian yesterday she was unaware that her tractor-driver husband Yasotharan was planning to seek asylum when he left their Tamil refugee camp in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, with his brother and another man on June 4.
He called her on June 19 to say he was en route to another country to seek asylum; she thought he was heading for New Zealand.
It was the last she heard from him. “My husband knew about the Australian policy (of turning back asylum-seekers) and would not have taken the risk of going to Australia,” she said.
Ms Kumari said she feared for her and her husband’s safety if he were sent back to Sri Lanka, a country both families fled as war refugees 24 years ago, because of a 300,000 rupee debt her husband
Ms Kumari said she feared for her and her husband’s safety if he were sent back to Sri Lanka, a country both families fled as war refugees 24 years ago, because of a 300,000 rupee debt her husband
owed Indian money lenders and the fact there was no longer any family to rely on in Sri Lanka.
“If he is sent to Sri Lanka the whole family will have to commit suicide because we cannot repay the debt,” she said. “I beg the Australian authorities to just let him stay a few years and earn some money to pay our loans.”
Her tearful sister-in-law Indrani Yesumani said she too believed her husband had been aiming for New Zealand in the hope of raising money to continue her two children’s education.
theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/refugee-arrested-as-tiger-bomber/story-fn9hm1gu-1226978440291?nk=3540a80f0a501e104eb7e508393cfbf8#
From a SMH article this week:
Australian government officials launched a campaign in June last year warning would-be asylum seekers living in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu that they would be sent back to their Sri Lankan homeland if they tried to enter Australia without a valid visa.
''This has been a brilliantly organised campaign,'' said S.C. Chandrahasan, a leading Tamil refugee advocate who has worked closely with the Australian government over the past 12 months.
''The Australian government began in Delhi and has worked down, slowly and diligently, through every level of Indian government and refugee organisations to get the message through that if you get on a boat without a visa, you will be sent back to Sri Lanka.''
Mr Chandrahasan said one of his major concerns for Tamil refugees living in Tamil Nadu is that by leaving India through illegal means, they are giving up everything they have built up in India over the past 30 years.
''We have land here, we have homes, we have electricity, we have education, and every time someone gets on a boat to go to Australia without a visa, we are losing that, and that is what I am trying to prevent.''
Mr B. Anand, the Tamil Nadu principal secretary and commissioner for rehabilitation and welfare of non-resident Tamils, also told Fairfax Media it was his clear understanding that it was official Australian government policy to return all Tamil refugees to Sri Lanka.
''I have regular meetings with Australian High Commission officials here, and this is what they have stressed to me, that Tamil refugees will be returned to their home country, Sri Lanka.''
Mr Anand said India was not able to accept any Tamil refugees who left India illegally.
''The war in Sri Lanka ended in 2009, so it is difficult to accept that these people can still claim refugee status,'' Mr Anand said. ''And if they were registered here as refugees, once they leave the country illegally, we cannot take them back here.''
Mr Anand's office showed Fairfax Media a pamphlet in Tamil published by the Australian government that has been distributed throughout the Tamil refugee community and clearly states that people who try to enter Australia without a visa will be returned to their homeland.
''Effective from July 19, 2013, illegal immigrants who come by boats to any province of Australia will be sent to Papua New Guinea,'' the pamphlet says. ''Upon confirmation that they are genuine cases for refugee status, they will be allowed emigration at Papua New Guinea.
"In other cases, people concerned will either be sent back to their homeland or a detention camp.''
smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tamil-asylum-seekers-have-known-of-deportation-policy-for-a-year-20140703-zsv9n.html#ixzz36eBgWby2
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You are the accountant. What's the answer. Easy to laugh
It's becasue I am the accountant that I wont answer but will laugh
:lol :lol
the old trick question from way back when :rollin
I didn't know it was an old trick question. I was hoping for a proper answer
Yep so am I, so please tell us.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5IJeemTQ7Vk&feature=youtu.be
What u,reckon :-\
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Wot ...
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-lawmakers-call-genocide-palestinians-gets-thousands-facebook-likes
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She's hot...I'd give her one...
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we must never let it happen again.............
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Just wondering what people thought of how the Libs are coping with a hostile Senate?
Personally I think history will judge Julia a whole lot better than Tony.
'65 (from Langkawi 😊)
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-i-3848987
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-personally-covered-up-3848836
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Just wondering what people thought of how the Libs are coping with a hostile Senate?
Personally I think history will judge Julia a whole lot better than Tony.
'65 (from Langkawi 😊)
Not looking good. Think his best chance is to call and early election and let is decide
Palmer is a loose cannon hope he ends up getting sued in court
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I always knew the Libs would get in, which is why I backed the minor parties in the senate to cock block them. All going to plan I say.
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Wp what you make of fed being privatly owned?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oNfVQ-7M-VQ/THFTY65XDgI/AAAAAAAAAP4/ohnlB1ZUoXo/s1600/march_of_tyranny.jpg)
Does it worry you at all comrade?
"Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game." - Matt Taibbi, investigative reporter. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425
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Just wondering what people thought of how the Libs are coping with a hostile Senate?
Personally I think history will judge Julia a whole lot better than Tony.
'65 (from Langkawi 😊)
all posturing- will be repealed by weeks end maybe even tomorrow
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Carbon Tax repealed - 17/07/2014
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omg budget crisis!!!1!11oneone
*repeals a tax*
17/7/2014 marks the date of the first country to backflip on their climate change measures. Had an absolute gift horse in the carbon tax. I wonder how long it will take for power companies to cut their charges. Will have to screw someone else to make up the difference now. The tax exemption of non-christian charities is already in the gun.
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Needed to be scrapped - was nothing more than a scam that cost us 2 x taxes. 1) the actual carbon tax 2) our taxes going to compo for people that are paying extra via the CT. Ridiculous.
Will introduce something down the track that doesn't make us uncompetitive
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It was a tax he didn't have to sell though, unlike everything else he has tried to slug us for and is getting bashed pillar to post for in the polls. Could have just kept blaming it on the previous government. As a country we apparently have to share the load in getting this 'budget emergency' under control. You would think he would take every penny he could milk, but unfortunately for us it doesn't apply to his mates. I was opposed to the carbon tax to begin with, but now I'm concerned at what we are going to be slugged with next. I'm glad the senate is like it is. Not a hostile senate, but in fact a senate as intended. The senate is meant to be a cock block for these dimwits. Especially this sort who thinks a government is nothing more than a catholic mission and a charity for his rich friends.
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Yeah but it was also a tax that destroyed the confidence of the economy. People are spooked/scared about how much the COL is rising and how rapidly its rising - small business confidence is shot. Retail is shot. why? bc people are scared to spend more money atm, lots of people I know are taking the sit tight and wait and see what happens approach.
What the gvt loses in carbon taxes, they will gain easily when consumer and business confidence rises which equates to more tax revenue anyway. Wasn't labor's last budget abt 15 bill more in the red than anticipated and their own reasoning was " bc company tax revenue is down" well duh! if you leech and suck the life and competitiveness out of small business, profits and subsequent tax on declining revenue will drop.
Maybe he did do it just for his industry mates- I don't know, but tbh Im happy bc its also a saving grace for a lot of hardworking people out there that are just getting smashed by more and more tax. Im not against an emmissions trading scheme and doing something that promotes alternative energy usage but there has to be a better way.
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Retail has been stuffed for a long time and non retail small business has been buggered for a just as long and not as a direct result of any carbon tax. We came out of a global recession relatively unscathed just recently. Labor did blow some money on crap but if there is a time to blow it then it's when interest rates are at their lowest. I work in electric motors for a small business (but on domestic and international stage) and thus carbon and mining taxes had immediate and direct impact on us yet they weren't the only reason for us losing some work.
Ridding the carbon tax won't restore confidence. Especially not while refusing to spend money to keep domestic industries and more people running out of work. People are already scared of things like the medicare co payments, debt levy (or, 'tax tax') and the rest of the junk Wingnut is trying to hamfist through. You can label the carbon tax anything you like but it was still revenue. Increasing the GST is the obvious goal.
There won't be anything like an ETS or any climate change action in place as long as the catholic cabinet is in place as they don't believe in it. Trying to spend federal money on putting catholic counselors in schools, to trying to divert funding from the royal commission into church sex abuse into Labor's crap insulation scheme, to trying to remove the tax exemption of non christian charities, removing the minister for science, he has played his hand. No interest in progress, just making sure god's work is done and his mates can keep selling Foxtel. There is nothing for Australia from these pricks at all.
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If you listen carefully while going to sleep tonight, you just may here the lull of the generators firing up again,
Emissions-intensive brown and black coal-fired power generators cut output, with about 4 gigawatts of capacity taken offline. The emissions intensity of NEM supply dropped between 16 and 28 kilograms of carbon dioxide per megawatt-hour of supply, underscoring the role of carbon pricing rather than slumping demand in curbing pollution, the paper said.
However, investors’ doubts that the carbon tax would last – fostered in part by then opposition leader Tony Abbott’s “blood oath” to repeal it if the Coalition took office - meant high-emissions generators were mothballed rather than permanently closed.
“We’d expect the impact of the carbon price would have been larger, perhaps far larger, if there had been an expectation that the carbon price would have continued,” Professor Jotzo said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-price-helped-curb-emissions-anu-study-finds-20140717-ztuf6.html#ixzz37jbQR1Ok
Here is a great comment from Ian Macdonald, also a christian,
In response, Coalition Senator Ian Macdonald “congratulated” the Senate and “the Australian public” and reminded the chamber that “in Brisbane on Saturday morning, we had the coldest day in 113 years.”
Read more at http://junkee.com/the-carbon-tax-is-gone/38156#AeEO6EucKMEEOMQw.99
Next up: the Earth is flat, is only 6,000 years old and dinosaur fossils are here to test our faith.
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If you listen carefully while going to sleep tonight, you just may here the lull of the generators firing up again,
Emissions-intensive brown and black coal-fired power generators cut output, with about 4 gigawatts of capacity taken offline. The emissions intensity of NEM supply dropped between 16 and 28 kilograms of carbon dioxide per megawatt-hour of supply, underscoring the role of carbon pricing rather than slumping demand in curbing pollution, the paper said.
However, investors’ doubts that the carbon tax would last – fostered in part by then opposition leader Tony Abbott’s “blood oath” to repeal it if the Coalition took office - meant high-emissions generators were mothballed rather than permanently closed.
“We’d expect the impact of the carbon price would have been larger, perhaps far larger, if there had been an expectation that the carbon price would have continued,” Professor Jotzo said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-price-helped-curb-emissions-anu-study-finds-20140717-ztuf6.html#ixzz37jbQR1Ok
Here is a great comment from Ian Macdonald, also a christian,
In response, Coalition Senator Ian Macdonald “congratulated” the Senate and “the Australian public” and reminded the chamber that “in Brisbane on Saturday morning, we had the coldest day in 113 years.”
Read more at http://junkee.com/the-carbon-tax-is-gone/38156#AeEO6EucKMEEOMQw.99
Next up: the Earth is flat, is only 6,000 years old and dinosaur fossils are here to test our faith.
You've got to love how scientific illiterates like MacDonald and Cori Bernardi are so proud of their ignorance and lack of education :stupid.
Fortunately, this issue won't go away especially now our emissions will begin to rise again. The laws of physics and chemistry don't alter for the loonie tea party crowd who deny and hate science.
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A 19% swing against the LNP up in Queensland in the Stafford state by-election. It seems once Queenslanders turn on a government, they really turn on them.
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/qld/2014/stafford/result.htm
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(http://i.imgur.com/d0VlmZo.jpg)
Jews not muckin around
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No holiday in lieu for ANZAC day next year for Victorians since it falls on a Saturday despite being the centenary. Napthine must be employing scorched earth tactics on his way out. Labor offering the Friday before next year's grand final which I think also falls the same week as Melbourne show?
I can understand Napthine's comments about how it should be a day of remembrance and not about a day off, but politicians get 3 months a year where as most of us only have 4 weeks and look forward to the public holidays. Just making ANZAC even less significant than it has been.
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I can understand Napthine's comments about how it should be a day of remembrance and not about a day off, but politicians get 3 months a year where as most of us only have 4 weeks and look forward to the public holidays. Just making ANZAC even less significant than it has been.
Interesting dwaino, I actually support Napthine on this one. I believe and have always believed that ANZAC day is sacrosanct - you don't move it and you don't cheapen by giving a holiday in lieu of it falling on weekend.
I've always been a staunch believer in if a day falls on a Saturday or Sunday then that's just the way it is.
Or alternatively like what they've done with Aust Day if it falls on a weekend or heaven forbid on a weekday other than a Monday or Friday then we should celebrate that day on the day it falls. Not move it about so we can have a long weekend. Australia Day should be celebrated on the day it falls not moved about so we get along weekend
ANZAC day in particular is more important than that, so much more important. So for me it's about the day and what it means not getting a long weekend
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Completely agree with the sentiment WP. I'm the same. But I don't like losing a day off that we all deserve. I put in 50-60 hours over 5 and a half days a week for 60-70% of the year and often don't take all my holidays. As long as we get a replacement day I'm happy. In the UK for example they just have bank holidays instead which are public holidays with nothing attached. Don't see why we can't do that here as we usually have the same amount of days off a year as the rest of the states. In Brisbane we had show day unlike Melbourne now (since I have moved here anyway) but obviously we didn't have cup day.
I'm sure that Monday will turn into an RDO for industrial and some other reason for students to have off too. Unfortunately none apply to me >:(
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Completely agree with the sentiment WP. I'm the same. But I don't like losing a day off that we all deserve. I put in 50-60 hours over 5 and a half days a week for 60-70% of the year and often don't take all my holidays. As long as we get a replacement day I'm happy. In the UK for example they just have bank holidays instead which are public holidays with nothing attached. Don't see why we can't do that here as we usually have the same amount of days off a year as the rest of the states. In Brisbane we had show day unlike Melbourne now (since I have moved here anyway) but obviously we didn't have cup day.
I'm sure that Monday will turn into an RDO for industrial and some other reason for students to have off too. Unfortunately none apply to me >:(
RDO Guaranteed ... It's how the unions roll.
We used to have a show day holiday and an Easter Tuesday holiday too. Mr Kennett flicked those ;D
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Arbeit macht frei.
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Gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz.
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http://m.imgur.com/a/gtc9T
Jewish genocide of gaze
Warning not nice
Warning nsfw
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Chicago protest
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And this nutcase is a Senator deciding the countries' direction.
Well-hung? Palmer United Party senator Jacqui Lambie boards the Oversharing Express on radio station Heart 107.3
July 22, 2014 - 1:44PM
Matthew Knott
Communications and education correspondent
Finding romance ain't what it used to be. As any singleton will tell you, meeting someone IRL – that's In Real Life – is, like, so 2010.
From Tinder to RSVP, lonely hearts across the country are finding ever more innovative ways to discover the Romeo to their Juliet, the Kim to their Kanye.
Now newly elected Palmer United Party senator Jacqui Lambie has taken the trend to a new level by using talkback radio to search for a potential suitor – preferably one "well-hung" and loaded with cash.
Here's how it went down. Lambie was appearing on Hobart's Heart 107.3 breakfast show with Kim and Dave.
The chat started predictably enough. Should Tom Jones sing at the AFL grand final? Should there be a weekday public holiday when Anzac Day falls on a Saturday?
So far, so PG.
Then Kim asked Lambie about her bikini line and it was full steam ahead on the Oversharing Express.
"Right now the state I'm in, you'd want to bring out that whipper snipper first," replied Lambie. "It's a very scary area to talk about this morning."
It's the stuff one could only dream of: an Apple Isle senator waxing lyrical about her map of Tasmania on live radio.
Suddenly, the Prime Minister winking at a radio talkback call from a sex line worker seemed utterly banal.
And then it got better.
Lambie – a mother-of-two who says she has been single for 11 years – outlined what she's looking for in a man.
"They must have heaps of cash and they've got to have a package between their legs," she said.
"They don't even need to speak."
Then Jamie, a 22-year-old listener, rang in to say he'd be happy to go out with the 43-year-old.
So was Lambie willing to be a cougar – as well as a pup?
After establishing that Jamie had inherited a "small fortune" and had experience with older women, Lambie inquired: "You don't have any diseases do you?"
No, Jamie assured her, before adding that he is "hung like a donkey".
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/wellhung-palmer-united-party-senator-jacqui-lambie-boards-the-oversharing-express-on-radio-station-heart-1073-20140722-3ccr2.html#ixzz38AcOxmRe
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:lol
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This is awesome http://metalhammer.teamrock.com/news/2014-07-22/metalhead-wins-indonesian-presidential-election
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More proof of Abbott's lies.
Tony Abbott achieves the impossible: unity among economists
Economists are refuting the three big picture claims made by the government: 1) We have a budget emergency 2) We have a debt crisis and 3) The carbon tax was ruining the economy
There’s a joke about economists: if you ask five economists the same question you’ll get six different answers. Granted, it's not a very good joke, but it’s a fair call. Ours is a complex field, and a growing number of economists are acknowledging that the theory sitting behind mainstream economics is mostly rubbish. As a result, it’s very difficult to find consensus on real world events.
But that's where Abbott and Hockey have achieved what many thought impossible: a true consensus. Unfortunately for the coalition government, the consensus is entirely against them. The Abbott government’s agenda has been driven by three major claims, all of them economic in nature. Let’s see how economists view these three themes:
1) There is a budget emergency
Number of economists who agree: zero
2) The federal government has a debt crisis
Number of economists who agree: zero
3) Carbon pricing is an economic wrecking ball
Number of economists who agree: zero
The above represents a very slight exaggeration. You can find people with some economics qualifications who agree with the government but, without exception, they either work for the Coalition or for some entity with ideological motives (like the IPA or News Corp).
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/23/tony-abbott-achieves-the-impossible-unity-among-economists
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proof
theguardian.com
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Well said?
:lol
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proof
theguardian.com
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
So I gather you believe that there is a budget emergency?
and a debt crisis?
and that the Carbon Tax was a wrecking ball for the economy?
:cheers
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Yep, yep and yep.
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we must never let it happen again.............
:'(
http://imgur.com/8kWGmqh
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http://m.imgur.com/a/gtc9T
Jewish genocide of gaze
Warning not nice
Warning nsfw
Contiunally/update: http://m.imgur.com/a/ZqqJC
(http://i.imgur.com/b4Vba5R.jpg)
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"Master race" quote
While the alleged "Master race" quote is improbable, it is surprising that it is not cited here, even as an allegedly "fabricated quote." The evidence that it is fabricated must be presented.
"Our race is the Master Race. we are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects.... Other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves"
This is from the Begin Center: WEDNESDAY, MAY 27, 2009
Correcting A Misquotation Reputedly By Menachem Begin This past week, the Begin Center received this request for information:
Can you please help me with this?
This quote
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
is attributed to Begin and it is all over the web.
Do you know where it came from?
This was our reply:
Dear S_____,
I gave your request to our director of information and content and after some thorough research, I have the following for you:
First of all, Mr. Begin never said those words and there is no factual basis for that quote. When we searched for the quote, we found that it looped back to the same text by Texe Marrs, who does not say that he is quoting Begin.
Further research at this site showed that the quote was attributed to "Amnon Kapeliouk's article "Begin and the Beasts" (New Statesman, June 25, 1982) which was infamous for having misrepresented some remarks Menachem Begin said in a speech to the Knesset, and there are legitimate sources all over the net that make reference to that incident.
However, the misrepresented quote is not the one cited ("Our race is the Master Race", etc.), but another one entirely (see below). Clearly, someone invented the "Master Race" quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility. However, even the REAL (and far less offensive) quote has now been proven to have been misrepresented by Kapeliouk.
The REAL story involving Kapeliouk's article is provided by a media-watch group called CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America), which regularly debunks bogus news reports and misquotes.
Here:
...Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute the derogation of Palestinians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:
Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts, "New Statesman, June 25, 1982
Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:
For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanize the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs
However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was referring not to "the Palestinians" in a general sense but very specifically, he was referring to terrorists who target children within Israel...Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception...
I hope that helps.
Moreover, we will be conferring with others in Israel and abroad to attempt to verify that the no one has ever heard or seen this quote and whether it is authentic. At present, we understand that there is no reliable source and until proven otherwise, which we doubt can be done based on our archival mateiral and personal familiarity with Mr. Begin, we reject the veracity of the words supposedly either spoken or conveyed. The quotation is bogus.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Menachem_Begin (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Menachem_Begin)
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Certainly this is one of the problems in this "the Information Age".
Or is that "the Misinformation Age".
Your quote, coming from Wikiquotes (a spin off from Wikipedia) can be unreliable as well.
:cheers
'65
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Power plant palaistine bombed... Fsh in a barrel now. No power no mobile phone no videos :clapping
Regardless of the truthfulness of the quote if you substitute 'chosen people' (gods), for master race that is indeed a bedrock of the jewish belief system. It is not hard ton see how non jews can be dehumanised and more easily killed. Echoes of Germany when some people believed they were superior than another group
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
Who is Ann Frankly?
:lol
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Sister of Bridgette Jones
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
Who is Ann Frankly?
:lol
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140113174926/creepypasta/images/c/c1/900x900px-LL-658002b7_joke_over_your_head.jpeg)
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
Who is Ann Frankly?
:lol
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140113174926/creepypasta/images/c/c1/900x900px-LL-658002b7_joke_over_your_head.jpeg)
Stop confusing the old hippie you damn gen y kid and show some respect.....he marched against two wars for you....
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
Pls tone down the anti semitism
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Im sure the jew anti semite watchdog has already documented dwainos post and oer will have a pls explain from the lawyers in the coming days
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Im sure the jew anti semite watchdog has already documented dwainos post and oer will have a pls explain from the lawyers in the coming days
Hope they don't go through my militaria collection then :whistle
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
Who is Ann Frankly?
:lol
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140113174926/creepypasta/images/c/c1/900x900px-LL-658002b7_joke_over_your_head.jpeg)
Yeah right.
:)
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
Who is Ann Frankly?
:lol
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140113174926/creepypasta/images/c/c1/900x900px-LL-658002b7_joke_over_your_head.jpeg)
Stop confusing the old hippie you damn gen y kid and show some respect.....he marched against two wars for you....
Vietnam yes, but what was the second war?
:lol
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
Who is Ann Frankly?
:lol
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140113174926/creepypasta/images/c/c1/900x900px-LL-658002b7_joke_over_your_head.jpeg)
Yeah right.
:)
You did Nazi it coming, but who in their Reich mind would?
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The quote might be incorrect but Judge is correct about what it says in the Talmud. Couple that with the zionists who turn a blind eye and jewish occupied Palestine has a license to do what it wants.
Several millennia of persecution and because of Hitler they now have a monopoly on suffering and are untouchable. Ann Frankly I won't stand for it.
Who is Ann Frankly?
:lol
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140113174926/creepypasta/images/c/c1/900x900px-LL-658002b7_joke_over_your_head.jpeg)
Stop confusing the old hippie you damn gen y kid and show some respect.....he marched against two wars for you....
Vietnam yes, but what was the second war?
:lol
The Cola Wars.
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UN shelter in Gaza 'struck by Israeli shells'
Gaza health ministry says bombardment killed at least 15 people and injured 200 in a UN-run school in Beit Hanoun.
At least 15 people have been reported killed and 150 injured in the bombardment of a UN school in northern Gaza used to shelter civilians from fierce clashes on the streets outside.
Al Jazeera's correspondent Nicole Johnston, reporting from Gaza, said the school in Beit Hanoun came under fire on Thursday.
The Gaza health ministry told Reuters that Israeli fire had killed at least 15, and 150 injured.
An Israeli military source however told Al Jazeera that Palestinian rocket fire had been detected in the area and that it might have fallen short and hit the shelter.
Al Jazeera's correspondent Stefanie Dekker said that she was unable to reach the school after the attack due to heavy Israeli shelling. No one she had spoken to in Gaza believed the deaths were caused by a Palestinian rocket.
In an interview with Al Jazeera, Chris Gunness, the spokesman for UNRWA, the UN's humanitarian organisation in Gaza, said his organisation had been in contact with Israeli forces as fighting closed in on the shelter.
"We gave the Israelis the precise GPS coordinates of the Beit Hanoun shelter. We were trying to coordinate a window [for evacuation] and that was never granted," he said.
He said he could neither confirm nor deny that Hamas fighters were near the building, but said Israel and Hamas "must respect the inviolability of UN premises, and humanitarian law".
He called the attack "tragic and appalling".
Robert Turner, the director for UNRWA told Al Jazeera there was no warning from the Israelis before the shells landed.
"This is a designated emergency shelter. The location was conveyed to the Israelis," he said. "This was an installation we were managing, that was monitored [to ensure] that our neutrality was maintained."
"We always call on all parties to ensure that civilians are not harmed."
Israel has attacked UN schools before, saying that they were being used as safe havens for the armed Palestinians.
The UN has also previously criticised the Palestinian groups for using UN schools to hide fighters and weapons.
'No fighters at school'
A witness who arrived at the Kamal Adwan hospital after the bombardment told Al Jazeera: "We were sitting in the school, because we were told it is safe.
"By God, there was not a single fighter, not a single shot was fired from the school. Why did they shoot at the school? Why? Can someone explain that to me? Why would they shell the school?"
Thursday's strike is the fourth time a UN facility has been hit in the 17 days of Israeli bombardment of Gaza.
At least 788 Palestinians have been killed and more than 4,500 injured in Israeli assault.
Two Israeli civilians have been killed by fire from Gaza since the offensive began.
The total number of Israeli soldiers killed since the start of the military assault stands at 32. One more soldier has been listed as missing and is believed to be dead.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israeli-shells-hits-un-shelter-gaza-201472413198190287.html
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Sadly, this latest episode in Gaza is just more of the pointless tit-for-tat killings between the Israelis and Palestinians. The hardliners on both sides don't want peace; they won't stop until the achieve their final aim which is the total elimination of the other side. Meanwhile, the innocent continue to suffer and die and the next generation is ingrained with hate and a need for revenge.
Surprisingly, the Herald-Sun has a well-written and balanced article on the history.
http://www.news.com.au/world/two-peoples-fighting-for-the-same-thing-examining-the-israelpalestine-conflict-from-66ad-to-today/story-fndir2ev-1226985449546
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Agree with you totally MT. No winners in this and no side to blame more than the other. A sad reflection on humanity that most of us are still at the Neanderthal stage.
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Seems like the Jews are winning and Arabs losing
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Straight from the horses mouth.
Proof the Libs lied about any sort of crisis.
Australian economy is not in trouble, Joe Hockey tells NZ
July 26, 2014 - 2:37PM
Joe Hockey has told New Zealand that there is no crisis in the Australian economy, nor is it in trouble.
The treasurer also made no mention of the "budget emergency" he and his government referred to when justifying their unpopular budget to Australians.
Instead, Mr Hockey reassured Kiwis that their second biggest trading partner is benefiting from 23 years of consecutive economic growth.
"The Australian economy is not in trouble," he told New Zealand political current affairs show The Nation on Saturday
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australian-economy-is-not-in-trouble-joe-hockey-tells-nz-20140726-zx6ie.html#ixzz38byISxSp
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http://imgur.com/HKBOKd4
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One of your better posts Bents!!
;D ;D
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All I can see is a white box with a red cross in it
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85 Wealthiest Are Richer Than Poorest 3.5 Billion
The U.N.'s annual Human Development Report released Thursday shows that the world's 85 richest people are wealthier than the poorest 3.5 billion.
http://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/2014/07/27/85-wealthiest-are-richer-than-poorest-35-billion-a-536174.html
:clapping
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/abbotts-strong-mh17-response-reflected-in-polls/story-fn59niix-1227004992839?nk=99553949965964fc81c4af73a96526f2
any comments 65?
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85 Wealthiest Are Richer Than Poorest 3.5 Billion
The U.N.'s annual Human Development Report released Thursday shows that the world's 85 richest people are wealthier than the poorest 3.5 billion.
http://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/2014/07/27/85-wealthiest-are-richer-than-poorest-35-billion-a-536174.html
:clapping
Hypothetically
Say you kill these 85
And distribute said wealth between the poorest 3-4 billion
Would that be a bad thing ? You could argue under the more popular branches of philosophy that it'd in fact be the correct course of action as a/the humanity...
[wiki] Utilitarianism is a theory in normative ethics holding that the proper course of action is the one that maximizes utility, usually defined as maximizing total benefit and reducing suffering or the negatives. Classical utilitarianism's two most influential contributors are Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill. In simple words, it is the way one helps himself in the art of decision-making. John Stuart Mill, in his book Utilitarianism, stated, "In the golden rule of Geez of Nazareth, we read the complete spirit of the ethics of utility. To do as one would be done by, and to love one's neighbour as oneself, constitute the ideal perfection of utilitarian morality." According to both Bentham and Mill, utilitarianism is considered to be a hedonistic approach only if the results of an action do not directly cause a negative impact on others.[1] It is now generally taken to be a form of consequentialism, although when Anscombe first introduced that term it was to distinguish between "old-fashioned utilitarianism" and consequentialism.[2] In utilitarianism, the moral worth of an action is determined only by its resulting consequences; however, there is debate over how much consideration should be given to actual consequences, foreseen consequences and intended consequences. In A Fragment on Government, Bentham says, "it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong"[3] and describes this as a fundamental axiom. In An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation, he talks of "the principle of utility" but later prefers "the greatest happiness principle."[4][5]
*come to think of it you wouldn't even have to kill them just take the gear
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85 Wealthiest Are Richer Than Poorest 3.5 Billion
The U.N.'s annual Human Development Report released Thursday shows that the world's 85 richest people are wealthier than the poorest 3.5 billion.
http://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/2014/07/27/85-wealthiest-are-richer-than-poorest-35-billion-a-536174.html
:clapping
thats pretty disgraceful.
the UN need to make countries sign a new international law introducing massive tax increases with no option to not pay on the extreme wealthy. the money should then fund humanitarian, development and environmental programs.
then again, that would be a red flag to many here because that would infringe on the rich peoples rights and the 3.5 billion poorest are probably either bludgers or no hopers
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/abbotts-strong-mh17-response-reflected-in-polls/story-fn59niix-1227004992839?nk=99553949965964fc81c4af73a96526f2
any comments 65?
Nope
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Didn't think so
Tears
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/abbotts-strong-mh17-response-reflected-in-polls/story-fn59niix-1227004992839?nk=99553949965964fc81c4af73a96526f2
any comments 65?
Sadly Angus I cannot open the link the Australian are wanting me to pay to view it ;D
But I gather it is about the PM's approval rating?
Sorry but they don't mean much. As was proven at the last election. Gillard believe it or not constantly came out ahead as preferred PM, ditto with Rudd but it didn't help them at all come Election Day.
My question is what impact has the MH17 tragedy had on the Govts numbers? Last week the polls suggested it had little if any impact and that the opposition would easily win an election if it was held.
Don't get seduced by popularity numbers over who people are likely to vote for. ;D
And before you go off on one your "rants".
I actually think Abbott and the usually ineffective Julia Bishop are doing a very good job on this. They are standing up not only for Australia but for everyone affected by this disaster. And for that they they get this :clapping from me
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/abbotts-strong-mh17-response-reflected-in-polls/story-fn59niix-1227004992839?nk=99553949965964fc81c4af73a96526f2
any comments 65?
Sadly Angus I cannot open the link the Australian are wanting me to pay to view it ;D
But I gather it is about the PM's approval rating?
Sorry but they don't mean much. As was proven at the last election. Gillard believe it or not constantly came out ahead as preferred PM, ditto with Rudd but it didn't help them at all come Election Day.
My question is what impact has the MH17 tragedy had on the Govts numbers? Last week the polls suggested it had little if any impact and that the opposition would easily win an election if it was held.
Don't get seduced by popularity numbers over who people are likely to vote for. ;D
And before you go off on one your "rants".
I actually think Abbott and the usually ineffective Julia Bishop are doing a very good job on this. They are standing up not only for Australia but for everyone affected by this disaster. And for that they they get this :clapping from me
It was more directed at mr 65 over there. As for the numbers not meaning much, im pretty sure you over the years would have quoted them at some point, so please don't down vibe the sterling comeback we are witnessing here from big tone.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/abbotts-strong-mh17-response-reflected-in-polls/story-fn59niix-1227004992839?nk=99553949965964fc81c4af73a96526f2
any comments 65?
Sadly Angus I cannot open the link the Australian are wanting me to pay to view it ;D
But I gather it is about the PM's approval rating?
Sorry but they don't mean much. As was proven at the last election. Gillard believe it or not constantly came out ahead as preferred PM, ditto with Rudd but it didn't help them at all come Election Day.
My question is what impact has the MH17 tragedy had on the Govts numbers? Last week the polls suggested it had little if any impact and that the opposition would easily win an election if it was held.
Don't get seduced by popularity numbers over who people are likely to vote for. ;D
And before you go off on one your "rants".
I actually think Abbott and the usually ineffective Julia Bishop are doing a very good job on this. They are standing up not only for Australia but for everyone affected by this disaster. And for that they they get this :clapping from me
It was more directed at mr 65 over there. As for the numbers not meaning much, im pretty sure you over the years would have quoted them at some point, so please don't down vibe the sterling comeback we are witnessing here from big tone.
If I am not mistaken there were about 15 consecutive posts from 1965 about it a few months ago when the budget ratings started.
And dont ask me to quote because I CBF
Plus I made it up as well
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It was more directed at mr 65 over there. As for the numbers not meaning much, im pretty sure you over the years would have quoted them at some point, so please don't down vibe the sterling comeback we are witnessing here from big tone.
With respect, I've never posted about "preferred PM numbers" because they mean nothing.
But yes I have over time said that "polling numbers" can mean very little come election day. And I still believe that to a point - last Vic State Election was a good example and when Rudd first got elected. Numbers said it would be close but Rudd & the ALP got elected pretty easily, polls got it wrong. But they certainly got it right at the last federal election ;D
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http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/us-only-country-of-47-to-vote-against-investigating-possible-human-rights-violations-during-israeli-occupation-of-gaza-140728?news=853817
U.S. Only Country of 47 to Vote against Investigating Possible Human Rights Violations during Israeli Occupation of Gaza
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http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/us-only-country-of-47-to-vote-against-investigating-possible-human-rights-violations-during-israeli-occupation-of-gaza-140728?news=853817
U.S. Only Country of 47 to Vote against Investigating Possible Human Rights Violations during Israeli Occupation of Gaza
As long as they investigate both sides.
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Yep those rocks them Arab kids chucked dinted the paint of the IDF tank. Proper rude.
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For a committed conspiracy theorist you're damn naive.
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I'm am neither.
Yet would you care you elaborate or do you lack intestinal fortitude?
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Have no problem elaborating or responding Bents, you should know me well enough by now. Your comment about kids throwing rocks at tanks says that you only believe the aggression and guilt lays with one side and in my opinion if you believe that then you are naive in the extreme.
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Looks one sided to me boss
(http://i.imgur.com/H0NSLBk.jpg)
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Lolol. Seriously Bents? Let me spend the next 10 minutes digging up as many images as you need that shows Hamas bombs landing in Israel. If you think that image proves your point then you are more naive than I thought! Let me lead you into your next line of defence.............................."but they started it". :help
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Solution is simple.
Stop the bombs.
Where's Tony when we need him.
:lol
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Lolol. Seriously Bents? Let me spend the next 10 minutes digging up as many images as you need that shows Hamas bombs landing in Israel. If you think that image proves your point then you are more naive than I thought! Let me lead you into your next line of defence.............................."but they started it". :help
Bents: Both sides are to blame and in the he meantime while the fingers are getting pointed from both sides there are innocent people getting killed.
And no spinning for either side hides that fact
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Lolol. Seriously Bents? Let me spend the next 10 minutes digging up as many images as you need that shows Hamas bombs landing in Israel. If you think that image proves your point then you are more naive than I thought! Let me lead you into your next line of defence.............................."but they started it". :help
Homemade fireworks? In comparison, smokey, to the explosion above, what kind guns/bombs are these Arabs packing?
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Lolol. Seriously Bents? Let me spend the next 10 minutes digging up as many images as you need that shows Hamas bombs landing in Israel. If you think that image proves your point then you are more naive than I thought! Let me lead you into your next line of defence.............................."but they started it". :help
Homemade fireworks?
In comparison to the explosion above, what kind guns these Arabs packing?
Are you implying it is a 'even' 'war'?
The only thing I'm implying is that both sides are guilty of killing many innocent people. And that is never a good thing.
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Solution is simple.
Stop the bombs.
Where's Tony when we need him.
:lol
He's still on the phone to putin
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Even though you deleted your post Bents, no wars are even, which may be a good thing otherwise they would never end
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Yes.
But.
In the last two odd weeks gentleman
How many Jews were killed
Vs
How many Arabs were killed
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Even though you deleted your post Bents, no wars are even, which may be a good thing otherwise they would never end
Israel has the equal most powerful military. These Muslims are in poverty.
"the aggression and guilt lays with one side and in my opinion " when we make these type of comments. It may help to remember the level of aggression possible - in recent days and in future is vastly different
War isn't supposed to end. What would happen to the economy?
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Yes.
But.
In the last two odd weeks gentleman
How many Jews were killed
Vs
How many Arabs were killed
who cares what race they are kids are being killed all over the place
how many killed in syria, africa, israel, palestine, vrs this place or that is irrelevant
judge you like a few have got hidden agendas here and think israel and america are the root of all evil. Am i right?
muslim extremists killing innocent kids can do wrong apparently
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No hiddin agenda just after dead children statistics
It matters what country they are from.
Cause if two nations have a war. And yet 99% of the dead kids are some one side.
Then its a bit silky to say stuff like "both sides are guilty of killing many people" cause its not really the truth. I dare say some its more a genocide than a war.
I don't hate Jews or Americans specifically. I hate everyone equally. Arabs etc.
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too much hate boss, plenty of good and bad in all races. We at least live in a good country surrounded by good people.
if we support the us and its allies so be it. Id rather be on their side than anyone else's
why i have an issue with this clogging up my feed is no one cared to post about the innocent kids in syria being killed by muslim extremists, but as soon as the word israel or us appears every one goes on the defensive about how many kids are killed by the jews.
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Yes.
But.
In the last two odd weeks gentleman
How many Jews were killed
Vs
How many Arabs were killed
The numbers from each saide are not relevant> Becasuee 1 dead innocent person is 1 too many from either side
End of story
It is that simple
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Yes.
But.
In the last two odd weeks gentleman
How many Jews were killed
Vs
How many Arabs were killed
The numbers from each saide are not relevant> Becasuee 1 dead innocent person is 1 too many from either side
End of story
It is that simple
thank you wp short simple and 100% correct :thumbsup
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Is it nice living in fairy floss land wp?
Its a nice notin
While I apologise unreservedly for clogging up ones feed with trivial news such as the middle east - i was under the impression not everyone was pro Palestine but rathwrbthe mainstream media portraying isreal as the 'good guy'. Once again please excuse any mistakes and thank you for your time
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I don't mind Buddhist they seem kotcha
Japs a worry
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I don't mind Buddhist they seem kotcha
Japs a worry
Looked into becoming a Buddhist but discarded the idea when I found abstinence was one of the requirements.
:cheers
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:lol
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Is it nice living in fairy floss land wp?
Fair dinkum Bents "fairy floss land"?
If you think its about the number of deaths on each size then your the one in another world
say it again 1 innocent death from either side is one too many.
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I love the irony. The pseudo state of Israel given to the Jews after the holocaust, then they go and demand more land and persecute the previous Arab occupants and in turn forcing them to flee their homes. No sympathy here for Jewish occupied Palestine. The US has its hands tied due to influential Jewish power brokers on both sides of government. Only way to settle this on is the two state solution or the Arab nations band together kick the Jews out.
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the whole thing is hopeless and given the intrests, a powder keg for ww3
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the whole thing is hopeless and given the intrests, a powder keg for ww3
Go one bigger. The evangelists in the west sided with the zionists to carry out the christian eschatology mythology. Religion is the root of almost every evil in history.
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Speaks for itself.
Clive Palmer hits out at 'failed' budget, calls for double dissolution
July 31, 2014
Clive Palmer says the federal government's budget has crashed and he has challenged Prime Minister Tony Abbott to hold a double dissolution or implement a mini-budget.
The leader of the Palmer United Party also accused Treasurer Joe Hockey of lying by suggesting Australia could lose its AAA credit rating, and while he declared his in-principle support for the work-for-the-dole program, he was ''totally opposed'' to job seekers having to apply for 40 jobs a month.
Key crossbench senator David Leyonhjelm also lashed the government's proposal to toughen work-for-the-dole requirements as bordering on exploitation. He called for ''proper'' industrial relations reform instead.
Meanwhile, fellow crossbencher Bob Day said the 40 jobs a month plan was ''nuts and insane''.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/clive-palmer-hits-out-at-failed-budget-calls-for-double-dissolution-20140730-3cuj2.html#ixzz38x2tKmK4
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Certainly does speak for itself.
Clive Palmer love media attention almost as much as he loves the sound of his own voice.
It's been nearly 30 years since our last DD and there has only ever been roughly a handful, yet this moron calls for one.
LOL.
Good work.
Palmer United Party just love the media. One week it's Jacquie Lambie asking for blokes with huge "packages" and a wallet full of cash. This week it's the big goose leader asking for a DD.
What's on the agenda next week for the Palmer Party?
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I love the irony. The pseudo state of Israel given to the Jews after the holocaust, then they go and demand more land and persecute the previous Arab occupants and in turn forcing them to flee their homes. No sympathy here for Jewish occupied Palestine. The US has its hands tied due to influential Jewish power brokers on both sides of government. Only way to settle this on is the two state solution or the Arab nations band together kick the Jews out.
Fuq the Middle East
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We could surely live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their fuqqin' crisis
Beirut, Lebanon won't exist once we're done
Libya, Iran; we'll flush the bastards down the can
Syrians and Shiites; crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks
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I love the irony. The pseudo state of Israel given to the Jews after the holocaust, then they go and demand more land and persecute the previous Arab occupants and in turn forcing them to flee their homes. No sympathy here for Jewish occupied Palestine. The US has its hands tied due to influential Jewish power brokers on both sides of government. Only way to settle this on is the two state solution or the Arab nations band together kick the Jews out.
Fuq the Middle East
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We could surely live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their fuqqin' crisis
Beirut, Lebanon won't exist once we're done
Libya, Iran; we'll flush the bastards down the can
Syrians and Shiites; crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks
There were cool shirt prints of that album.
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Fuq the Middle East
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We could surely live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their fuqqin' crisis
Beirut, Lebanon won't exist once we're done
Libya, Iran; we'll flush the bastards down the can
Syrians and Shiites; crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks
Can you please provide confirmation where this comes from (the Album & Artist)
Believe it or not posting it like that technically breaches plagiarism laws :)
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http://www.songlyrics.com/stormtroopers-of-death/stuff-the-middle-east-lyrics/
:thumbsup
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Fuq the Middle East
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We could surely live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their fuqqin' crisis
Beirut, Lebanon won't exist once we're done
Libya, Iran; we'll flush the bastards down the can
Syrians and Shiites; crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks
Can you please provide confirmation where this comes from (the Album & Artist)
Believe it or not posting it like that technically breaches plagiarism laws :)
Understand the point but pretty confident you wouldn't be getting any nasty letters from SOD or Megaforce ;D
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Understand the point but pretty confident you wouldn't be getting any nasty letters from SOD or Megaforce ;D
Who? :-\
;D
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Religion is the root of almost every evil in history.
The truth! :bow
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Understand the point but pretty confident you wouldn't be getting any nasty letters from SOD or Megaforce ;D
Who? :-\
;D
:lol
Oh, and x 2 :-\
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Religion is the root of almost every evil in history.
The truth! :bow
Not completely. Religion is often just a 'mask' for land money power etc
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http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/31/bolivia-declares-israel-terrorist-state
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Religion is the root of almost every evil in history.
The truth! :bow
Yep
x 3
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/hatred-of-jews-is-fuelling-protests-across-the-western-world/story-fni0ffxg-1227007637712
well said Andrew
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Lmao says in the west then points out the muslim populations. No surprise coming from Bolt though as a right wing christian to write a zionist piece. Can hardly take the word of a bible thumper as neutral and unbiased. The arabs had their land taken by a western sympathy vote as reparations. But this wasn't enough, so they want the rest by force.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/hatred-of-jews-is-fuelling-protests-across-the-western-world/story-fni0ffxg-1227007637712
well said Andrew
Oh dear
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Maybe not a "broken" promise but certainly another one that will not get delivered.
:lol
Tony Abbott's paid parental leave scheme deferred with no due date in sight
August 3, 2014
Latika Bourke
Legislation for Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s prized $5.5 billion paid parental leave scheme has been quietly shelved and is unlikely to be put to Parliament this year, sources have revealed.
The move is aimed at quelling backbench dissent on the issue and is also a recognition it may be voted down by rebel government senators if put to the test.
Treasurer Joe Hockey said in June that PPL legislation would be introduced ‘‘soon’’ and described as ‘‘absurd’’ suggestions the policy had been stalled due to internal unrest.
But a government source said the scheme had been placed in the “too-hard basket” because the Coalition was fighting on too many fronts and struggling to get its basic budget measures passed by the Senate.
Several other sources said a message had been discreetly sent to Mr Abbott that his pet policy could face an embarrassing defeat in the Senate.
Coalition senator Ian Macdonald had been an outspoken critic of the policy and welcomed the delay.
“I’m pleased that Mr Abbott has listened to the overwhelming majority of Australians in deferring the scheme until the country can afford it,” he said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/tony-abbotts-paid-parental-leave-scheme-deferred-with-no-due-date-in-sight-20140802-zzsbl.html#ixzz39Gvrse4f
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Bang
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-to-pay-772-million-euros-in-reparations-to-holocaust-survivors-a-902528.html
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Bang
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-to-pay-772-million-euros-in-reparations-to-holocaust-survivors-a-902528.html
Not sure about this.
It should be just left as the biggest blight on humanity, attempts to monetarise it just dont do it for me.
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Bang
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-to-pay-772-million-euros-in-reparations-to-holocaust-survivors-a-902528.html
Not sure about this.
It should be just left as the biggest blight on humanity, attempts to monetarise it just dont do it for me.
Huh?
They Germans have already being paying repartitions for 70 odd year have they not?
I think the question is should they discontinue payments to the Jews - given the Jews are currently running their own modern day holocaust to this group of Arabs, or something close to it, at least.
http://i.imgur.com/kTycVFb.jpg?1
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The arab and jew thing has been going on a lot longer then 70 years
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Bang
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-to-pay-772-million-euros-in-reparations-to-holocaust-survivors-a-902528.html
Not sure about this.
It should be just left as the biggest blight on humanity, attempts to monetarise it just dont do it for me.
Huh?
They Germans have already being paying repartitions for 70 odd year have they not?
I think the question is should they discontinue payments to the Jews - given the Jews are currently running their own modern day holocaust to this group of Arabs, or something close to it, at least.
Meanwhile, Waffen-SS soldiers who did nothing but fight on the front lines but enlisted before 1943 were denied pensions.
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my conscience tells me israel are a disgrace but calling 2000 deaths (all innocent civillians suppposedly) genocide is a bit of a stretch
was 9/11 genocide? the bali bombings?
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Armenian?
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my conscience tells me israel are a disgrace but calling 2000 deaths (all innocent civillians suppposedly) genocide is a bit of a stretch
was 9/11 genocide? the bali bombings?
to be honest dooks they all are by definition but muslims will say its far worse than 9/11,
if there is any innocent lives lost then its one too many.
I just find it odd how muslims i know are clogging up the feed, with video links and open your eyes crap, when those same people didnt post a thing when the same amount of deaths died in 9/11 and bali.
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Did you know three of bush cousins worked at twin towers close vicinity... And all three didn't rock up for work that day
:whistle
Assuming 9/11 was actually thought up and carried out by radical Muslims. If you compare the number of deaths in the towers. To that of innocent civilians in the middle East following thebamerican invasion... It's fairly laughable.
Without wanting to be too annoying to people that lost love ones etc: if you look at the way Australian treat bali whilst on holiday... I cam understand the locals being peeed off.
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Even the ultra-right wing IPA is peeed off at Tony A.
:lol
IPA supporters pour in cash to fund anti-Abbott ad as race discrimination act fury boils over
August 7, 2014 - 11:27AM
Latika Bourke
Free Market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs raised $10,000 an hour for three hours after emailing supporters asking for cash to fund an attack ad on Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
IPA Director John Roskam on Wednesday warned the government not to “underestimate the white-hot anger” of Liberals dismayed by the Prime Minister's decision to back down from repealing section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.
Now it appears that anger has been converted into cash with the appeal topping $45,000 as of this morning, according to Mr Roskam.
He told Fairfax Media the IPA had been inundated with donations immediately after it issued its plea and received more than $30 thousand in 3 hours.
"This is a really, really big deal for the grassroots," said Mr Roskam.
He said dozens of Liberal party members had threatened to quit because of the broken promise.
The ad will feature a quote from Mr Abbott arguing for Section 18c's repeal when he was opposition leader, in a speech he gave to the IPA.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ipa-supporters-pour-in-cash-to-fund-antiabbott-ad-as-race-discrimination-act-fury-boils-over-20140807-3d9r3.html#ixzz39g4fOC4O
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Did you know three of bush cousins worked at twin towers close vicinity... And all three didn't rock up for work that day
:whistle
Assuming 9/11 was actually thought up and carried out by radical Muslims. If you compare the number of deaths in the towers. To that of innocent civilians in the middle East following thebamerican invasion... It's fairly laughable.
Without wanting to be too annoying to people that lost love ones etc: if you look at the way Australian treat bali whilst on holiday... I cam understand the locals being peeed off.
mate its the same thing whats wrong with you. Innocent lives lost in both horrific events. You keep believing that it was the americans behind no jews died in that building if you want. Funny about bush's cousins . i thought it was clinton's nephews. which is it?
re: Bali you need to isolate drunken yobbo's who stay at $25 a night places in kuta and watch bali at night vrs the descent aussies who travel there to relax.
i've never had an issue or see any of that crap in seminyak.
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mate its the same thing whats wrong with you. Innocent lives lost in both horrific events. You keep believing that it was the americans behind no jews died in that building if you want. Funny about bush's cousins . i thought it was clinton's nephews. which is it?
Spot on Angus
Bents, you need to get your head around the fact innocent people died in 9/11 and innocent people are being killed in Gaza. And it is wrong. End of story
You can't discriminate on this, race, religion and creed have no bearing on who, they are innocent people being killed.
It doesn't matter who's to blame, who you want to point fingers at, what ridiculous conspiracy theory you want to believe it doesn't hide the reality that innocent people are dying and whether the number is one or 1 million it is too many. Way too many
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Aside from the fact Temple Mount and other key sites of Judaism aren't in the USA, I'd doubt, dwaino, the tea party conservative Christian fundamentalists in mid-west America would welcome millions of immigrants who deny Geez' divinity :nope.
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So who does the Government put in charge of IT legislation? Someone who knows nothing about computers :facepalm :rollin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYn-O4CYAAu7A1.jpg)
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Aside from the fact Temple Mount and other key sites of Judaism aren't in the USA, I'd doubt, dwaino, the tea party conservative Christian fundamentalists in mid-west America would welcome millions of immigrants who deny Geez' divinity :nope.
I don't agree with all of it, I put it up for lols. But don't write off the christian fundamentalists. A condition for their second coming is the 'land of the jews' to be in jewish control. That's how the final battle on Megiddo happens. The zionist agenda of the US is the only reason Israel still stands.
It's the 21st century. Can you believe some still buy into mythology? :banghead
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So who does the Government put in charge of IT legislation? Someone who knows nothing about computers :facepalm :rollin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYn-O4CYAAu7A1.jpg)
Same government that removed the minister of science because it thinks it knows better. No surprise there.
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So who does the Government put in charge of IT legislation? Someone who knows nothing about computers :facepalm :rollin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYn-O4CYAAu7A1.jpg)
bloody hell. that is appaulingly bad
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The Libs have even peeed off the Russians.
Not necessarily a bad thing but our farmers will suffer because Abbott and Bishop want to be players on the world scene.
Russia imposes sanctions on Australian beef, dairy, fruit and vegetables
August 8, 2014 - 6:25AM
James Massola
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says she is disappointed Russia has imposed a “full embargo” on food imports from Australia, arguing Moscow should have instead moved to halt the supply of heavy weapons to separatist rebels in Ukraine.
The wide-ranging Russian sanctions apply to most foodstuffs from Western countries and are a response to limited sanctions imposed on Moscow by the West.
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev told a government meeting on Thursday that "Russia is introducing a full embargo on import of beef, pork, fruit and vegetable produce, poultry, fish, cheese, milk and dairy products from the European Union, United States, Australia, Canada and Norway"
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/russia-imposes-sanctions-on-australian-beef-dairy-fruit-and-vegetables-20140807-101oc8.html#ixzz39kDxa04i
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The Libs have even peeed off the Russians.
Good
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And they have peeed off the AMA as well.
:lol
Eric Abetz draws link between abortion and breast cancer before World Congress of Families
August 8, 2014 - 9:54AM
Saffron Howden
Senior government minister Eric Abetz has drawn a link between abortion and breast cancer in a television interview.
Senator Abetz, the leader of the government in the upper house and the Employment Minister, made the comments on Channel Ten program The Project on Thursday night when asked if he believed the "factually incorrect" statement that abortion leads to breast cancer.
"I think the studies, and I think they date back from the 1950s, assert that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer," he said.
When his comments were questioned, Senator Abetz said: "There are other organisations [other than the Australian Medical Association] that have differing views."
The Australian Medical Association said the comments were irresponsible.
"If he's quoting papers from the 1950s, I suspect that's where he's living," the AMA president, Associate Professor Brian Owler, said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/eric-abetz-draws-link-between-abortion-and-breast-cancer-before-world-congress-of-families-20140807-101p60.html#ixzz39kySyG1N
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The Libs have even peeed off the Russians.
Not necessarily a bad thing but our farmers will suffer because Abbott and Bishop want to be players on the world scene.
Russia imposes sanctions on Australian beef, dairy, fruit and vegetables
August 8, 2014 - 6:25AM
James Massola
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says she is disappointed Russia has imposed a “full embargo” on food imports from Australia, arguing Moscow should have instead moved to halt the supply of heavy weapons to separatist rebels in Ukraine.
The wide-ranging Russian sanctions apply to most foodstuffs from Western countries and are a response to limited sanctions imposed on Moscow by the West.
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev told a government meeting on Thursday that "Russia is introducing a full embargo on import of beef, pork, fruit and vegetable produce, poultry, fish, cheese, milk and dairy products from the European Union, United States, Australia, Canada and Norway"
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/russia-imposes-sanctions-on-australian-beef-dairy-fruit-and-vegetables-20140807-101oc8.html#ixzz39kDxa04i
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/24661997/australia-disappointed-by-russia-sanctions/
honestly mate you are losing credibility by the day.
You think labour would have handled it differently do you?
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honestly mate you are losing credibility by the day.
I disagree with this assertion as it implies that '65 still had credibilty.
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The Libs have even peeed off the Russians.
Not necessarily a bad thing but our farmers will suffer because Abbott and Bishop want to be players on the world scene.
Russia imposes sanctions on Australian beef, dairy, fruit and vegetables
August 8, 2014 - 6:25AM
James Massola
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says she is disappointed Russia has imposed a “full embargo” on food imports from Australia, arguing Moscow should have instead moved to halt the supply of heavy weapons to separatist rebels in Ukraine.
The wide-ranging Russian sanctions apply to most foodstuffs from Western countries and are a response to limited sanctions imposed on Moscow by the West.
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev told a government meeting on Thursday that "Russia is introducing a full embargo on import of beef, pork, fruit and vegetable produce, poultry, fish, cheese, milk and dairy products from the European Union, United States, Australia, Canada and Norway"
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/russia-imposes-sanctions-on-australian-beef-dairy-fruit-and-vegetables-20140807-101oc8.html#ixzz39kDxa04i
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/24661997/australia-disappointed-by-russia-sanctions/
honestly mate you are losing credibility by the day.
You think labour would have handled it differently do you?
Yes I think they would have.
I am certain Labor would have made a large amount of noise but in effect not done anything to upset a super power.
There is no way they would have shown the strong leadership Liberal has
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Yes I think they would have.
I am certain Labor would have made a large amount of noise but in effect not done anything to upset a super power.
There is no way they would have shown the strong leadership Liberal has
:lol
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The ones affected the most by these sanctions will be Russians. A return to the Soviet bread lines.
Most of the west are included under Russia's embargo so hardly the fault of any government.
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exactly chuck and dwaino, his gone all adam bandt on us and unfortunately for him people have stopped listening.
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exactly chuck and dwaino, his gone all adam bandt on us and unfortunately for him people have stopped listening.
Who?
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This story just keeps on giving.
It has the potential to bring Tony Abbott down.
:thumbsup
Frances Abbott's teacher says she didn't deserve scholarship
August 8, 2014 - 5:21PM
Rachel Nickless
A design academic who taught the Prime Minister’s daughter and has been caught in a leaking scandal has brought a legal claim against his former employer saying he was effectively dismissed – and he has added Tony Abbott as a respondent to the action.
Academic Melletios Kyriakidis is at the centre of a storm over how the Whitehouse Institute, a private design school with Liberal Party connections, awarded a scholarship worth some $60,000 to Mr Abbott’s daughter Frances in 2011.
In May this year, Mr Kyriakidis leaked news of the scholarship to the media and was investigated by his employer for breaching student privacy. He resigned in June but has now brought an adverse action complaint in the Fair Work Commission alleging he was constructively dismissed and discriminated against for his political beliefs
He has brought the claim against Whitehouse Institute and four other individuals including Mr Abbott .
Speaking in an interview with afr.com for the first time since the affair broke, he said he was “morally outraged” by the waiving of Ms Abbott’s tuition fees, particularly given the government’s plans to increase the cost of degrees.
“If you are going to put a budget out there and say you all have to do it tough, you have to lead by example,” Mr Kyriakidis said. He taught Ms Abbott over three years.
He questioned whether Mr Abbott’s daughter was worthy of a merit scholarship, saying while she was a hard-working “high achiever” who got a distinction for portfolio design, “there were a lot more people more deserving [of a scholarship]”.
“Even from her class I could name 10 people more deserving either for merit or financial need or both,” he said. He added that he knew of other “more deserving” students who tried to get a scholarship and were rebuffed.
He also expressed his sadness at Ms Abbott being caught up in the affair.
“Frances is a lovely person. I don’t want this to be about her but I want this to be about fairness.” Mr Kyriakidis said he leaked to the press because he believed he was a whistle-blower.
MPs must disclose gifts above $750 that go to dependent children.
Mr Abbott has resolutely said his daughter’s scholarship was awarded on grounds of merit and did not need to be disclosed. In his FWC case, Mr Kyriakidis alleges Mr Abbott should have disclosed the scholarship .
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/frances-abbotts-teacher-says-she-didnt-deserve-scholarship-20140808-102329.html#ixzz39n0G2eH6
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This story just keeps on giving.
It has the potential to bring Tony Abbott down.
:thumbsup
Frances Abbott's teacher says she didn't deserve scholarship
August 8, 2014 - 5:21PM
Rachel Nickless
A design academic who taught the Prime Minister’s daughter and has been caught in a leaking scandal has brought a legal claim against his former employer saying he was effectively dismissed – and he has added Tony Abbott as a respondent to the action.
Academic Melletios Kyriakidis is at the centre of a storm over how the Whitehouse Institute, a private design school with Liberal Party connections, awarded a scholarship worth some $60,000 to Mr Abbott’s daughter Frances in 2011.
In May this year, Mr Kyriakidis leaked news of the scholarship to the media and was investigated by his employer for breaching student privacy. He resigned in June but has now brought an adverse action complaint in the Fair Work Commission alleging he was constructively dismissed and discriminated against for his political beliefs
He has brought the claim against Whitehouse Institute and four other individuals including Mr Abbott .
Speaking in an interview with afr.com for the first time since the affair broke, he said he was “morally outraged” by the waiving of Ms Abbott’s tuition fees, particularly given the government’s plans to increase the cost of degrees.
“If you are going to put a budget out there and say you all have to do it tough, you have to lead by example,” Mr Kyriakidis said. He taught Ms Abbott over three years.
He questioned whether Mr Abbott’s daughter was worthy of a merit scholarship, saying while she was a hard-working “high achiever” who got a distinction for portfolio design, “there were a lot more people more deserving [of a scholarship]”.
“Even from her class I could name 10 people more deserving either for merit or financial need or both,” he said. He added that he knew of other “more deserving” students who tried to get a scholarship and were rebuffed.
He also expressed his sadness at Ms Abbott being caught up in the affair.
“Frances is a lovely person. I don’t want this to be about her but I want this to be about fairness.” Mr Kyriakidis said he leaked to the press because he believed he was a whistle-blower.
MPs must disclose gifts above $750 that go to dependent children.
Mr Abbott has resolutely said his daughter’s scholarship was awarded on grounds of merit and did not need to be disclosed. In his FWC case, Mr Kyriakidis alleges Mr Abbott should have disclosed the scholarship .
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/frances-abbotts-teacher-says-she-didnt-deserve-scholarship-20140808-102329.html#ixzz39n0G2eH6
Thank you for posting this
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Tony going to watch everyones internet for general crime
Not terrorism
Excellent. Embrace the fascism :clapping
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Tony is screwing the poor at home and yet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE9i-NxAmNE
Australian forces could help with America's Iraq mission: Tony Abbott
August 9, 2014 - 4:15PM
Judith Ireland
National political reporter
Australian forces could be involved in a humanitarian mission to Iraq within days, to provide food and water to the thousands of people stranded in the north of the country, Prime Minister Tony Abbott has announced.
Mr Abbott said the United States has asked Australia to consider participating in humanitarian air drops in the mountain area near the city of Sinjar and that officials in the US and Australia are currently in talks.
‘‘There is a looming humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in northern Iraq right now,” Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney on Saturday.
“Some 40,000 women and children mostly, are exposed on a mountain surrounded, as I understand it, by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant forces that are threatening to kill them.”
Mr Abbott added that Iraqis were exposed in the mountain area, without food, water and shelter, noting that US President Barack Obama had called the situation a potential genocide.
The Prime Minister said that the US had already begun air drops and were looking to continue them for as long as people are exposed.
Mr Abbott said that Australia had two C-130 Hercules aircraft based in the United Arab Emirates that could be used to help America's efforts.
He added that it was important that Australia ‘‘join our international partners in doing what we can to render assistance’’.
This comes as Mr Abbott announced he will leave Australia early on Sunday morning, to travel to the Netherlands and London.
In the Netherlands he will personally thank Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte for the Netherlands’ role in leading recovery efforts after the MH17 disaster and have briefings on the process for identifying the victims.
In London, Mr Abbott will talk to security and intelligence officials and senior members of the British government about counter-terrorism operations and the situation in Iraq.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-forces-could-help-with-americas-iraq-mission-tony-abbott-20140809-102awm.html#ixzz39smREA2x
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Tony going to watch everyones internet for general crime
Not terrorism
Excellent. Embrace the fascism :clapping
I'm all for it hope they check every single website is Australians are surfing. Every single one.
Stopping pedos dealers and potential terrorists should be our priority.
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What could go wrong
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Sounds like a book I read.
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What could go wrong
dealers getting caught
pedo's getting arrested
homicides getting solved.
yep seems like a lot could go wrong to me. :banghead :banghead
i say good on em if you do the right thing you should have nothing to worry about.
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I doubt it's even going to happen. Where are they going to store the information? Going by this government's track record on anything technological I expect they'll head on down to JB hifi and pick up a few external drives on sale. This is right before ISPs start asking for compo for packet interruption. Can only fit so much on that old green copper.
ISPs can already track browsing history and the government already has freedom to this info with a warrant. They can also write software to detect criminal trends. But all they need to do is monitor the ports that typically route to the deep web because that's where the gun traffickers and kiddie fiddlers hang out. Google aren't going to code their spiders to bot that stuff nor will anyone host it. Real crims also hide behind VPNs and proxies. Have fun finding them. They actually want to spy and develop profiles. Their supporters will lap it up because they're just as much in the dark ages and are the kinds who call tech support.
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yeah good luck tracking the real crims in the deep web
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yeah good luck tracking the real crims in the deep web
sick pedo's who download not real crims?
scum of the earth
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yeah good luck tracking the real crims in the deep web
sick pedo's who download not real crims?
scum of the earth
most of them do it on the deep web where its very hard to track
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yeah good luck tracking the real crims in the deep web
sick pedo's who download not real crims?
scum of the earth
most of them do it on the deep web where its very hard to track
And use Russian VPNs.
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i wouldn't have a clue so it maybe true, but a lot get caught too and if you ask me catching one justifies them tracking our internet sites.
stuff em
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i wouldn't have a clue so it maybe true, but a lot get caught too and if you ask me catching one justifies them tracking our internet sites.
stuff em
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/24/pentagon-us-staff-downloaded-child-pornography
http://asheepnomore.net/2014/02/14/
(search: 'child ring'. The forum will not allow me to link the article)
Where are these 800,000 children per year, that go missing going? From the little I've looked into it, it seems to me it's a fetish amounts the elites in society. A custom that's go in the highests rungs of society. I highly doubt banning the average jo blow Internet in Australia is going to solve the problem that is strongly linked to the rulers of the lands...
the mainstream media was reporting this issue a lot recently... Until I assume that we're tapped on type shoulder by the powers to be and told to focus on issues like gaza and Ukraine... Turn the eyes away
http://childabuserecovery.com/catholic-mass-grave-sites-of-350800-missing-children-found-in-ireland-spain-canada/
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/british-paedophile-ring-protected-by-parliament-and-downing-street-28877796.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/bbc-news-chief-deputy-have-stepped-aside-while-sex-abuse-scandal-is-examined/2012/11/12/cecd6e7e-2cbb-11e2-9ac2-1c61452669c3_story.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681117/Cameron-orders-probe-happened-missing-dossier-alleged-paedophile-activity-Westminster-1980s.html
http://markcrispinmiller.com/2010/04/the-strange-death-of-nancy-schaefer-two-items/
Look into the British pedo file ring. Very dodgy. Te highest people in the land are responsible. They are also the ones apparently that are going to give justice to the pedos. Ie. themselfs...
The mainstream media won't go near it
But if you want to remove freedom and privacy from society do it. But it won't solve this issue. We are a bitch of a America. I am not surprised if we have our own patriotic act which ass rapesd the rights of citizens.
Teens were drugged, stripped naked, raped, hunted down in the woods and killed by European royals according to this week’s latest eyewitness to testify before the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels. The woman was the fourth eyewitness to give accounts about these human hunting parties of the global elite Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult network. A former member of the Netherlands criminal drug syndicate known as Octopus testified that victims were obtained for these human hunting parties from juvenile detention centers in Belgium and Holland.
“In 2004 I was an involuntary witness to torture, rape and murder sessions of drugged children performed for a group of high ranked people of the Netherlands” stated a woman. “I was taken to a hunting party in Belgium close to Brussels where I saw two boys and a girl ages 14 to 16, hunted and killed by global elites. The human hunting party was heavily guarded by the Netherlands Royal Guards. I was told that King Albert of Belgium was present.”
http://topinfopost.com/2014/06/17/royals-killing-children-for-fun-hunting-parties
Apparently there is a banned documentary: the conspiacry of silence. Which is very good in regards to this topic. It all depends how far down the rabbit hole you wanna go.
But I think it's a bit silly to watch everyone's Internet - if your reasoning is to stop worldwide / Australian pedos.
I hear North Korea has a low crime rate. :whistle
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:whistle
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nswf.... http://imgur.com/Aqy6ejg
"Master race" quote
While the alleged "Master race" quote is improbable, it is surprising that it is not cited here, even as an allegedly "fabricated quote." The evidence that it is fabricated must be presented.
"Our race is the Master Race. we are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects.... Other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves"
This is from the Begin Center: WEDNESDAY, MAY 27, 2009
Correcting A Misquotation Reputedly By Menachem Begin This past week, the Begin Center received this request for information:
Can you please help me with this?
This quote
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
is attributed to Begin and it is all over the web.
Do you know where it came from?
This was our reply:
Dear S_____,
I gave your request to our director of information and content and after some thorough research, I have the following for you:
First of all, Mr. Begin never said those words and there is no factual basis for that quote. When we searched for the quote, we found that it looped back to the same text by Texe Marrs, who does not say that he is quoting Begin.
Further research at this site showed that the quote was attributed to "Amnon Kapeliouk's article "Begin and the Beasts" (New Statesman, June 25, 1982) which was infamous for having misrepresented some remarks Menachem Begin said in a speech to the Knesset, and there are legitimate sources all over the net that make reference to that incident.
However, the misrepresented quote is not the one cited ("Our race is the Master Race", etc.), but another one entirely (see below). Clearly, someone invented the "Master Race" quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility. However, even the REAL (and far less offensive) quote has now been proven to have been misrepresented by Kapeliouk.
The REAL story involving Kapeliouk's article is provided by a media-watch group called CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America), which regularly debunks bogus news reports and misquotes.
Here:
...Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute the derogation of Palestinians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:
Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts, "New Statesman, June 25, 1982
Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:
For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanize the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs
However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was referring not to "the Palestinians" in a general sense but very specifically, he was referring to terrorists who target children within Israel...Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception...
I hope that helps.
Moreover, we will be conferring with others in Israel and abroad to attempt to verify that the no one has ever heard or seen this quote and whether it is authentic. At present, we understand that there is no reliable source and until proven otherwise, which we doubt can be done based on our archival mateiral and personal familiarity with Mr. Begin, we reject the veracity of the words supposedly either spoken or conveyed. The quotation is bogus.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Menachem_Begin (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Menachem_Begin)
(http://i.imgur.com/dM5FmW4.jpg)
:whistle
but the arabs have tunnels! we have to bomb them!
how dare they they disrespect our blockade by making food and medicine tunnels!
(http://i.imgur.com/65AgXwP.jpg)
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global elite Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult network.
http://topinfopost.com/2014/06/17/royals-killing-children-for-fun-hunting-parties
I think they need an acronym :lol The GENCSCSCN :lol can you imagine their current email address satan1@globaleliteninthcirclesatanicchildsacrificecultnetwork.org ;D
What a heap of clap trap. Someone's been watching too many reruns of "The Hunger Games"
Yeah lets take all these children out of incarceration and use them in human hunting parties. Their relatives and friends won't notice them missing and the authorities will all turn a blind eye. ::) as if...
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and the authorities will all turn a blind eye. ::) as if...
who will police the police?
Jimmy Savile (now dead) is proven to be a very prolific pedophile. Savile was knighted by the Queen, knighted by the Vatican, was a top BBC figure (a household name), spent time with Margaret Thatcher at Chequers on several occasions (Thatcher lobbied heavily to have him knighted by the queen), was close friends with Prince Charles (was even described as his "mentor" by Princess Diana), and spent time with him alone on at least one occasion. see here. He also boasted that he had police pals who would protect him from child abuse claims. see here
Famous politician Cyril Smith (now dead) is proven to be a prolific pedophile see here
Cyril Smith was only one of a number of alleged high profile child abusers within Westminster said to have been named in a 40-page dossier submitted to the Home Office by the late campaigning Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens in 1983. see here
Home Secretary at the time, Leon Brittan (a top ranking politician to this day) "lost" file containing evidence of pedophiles in positions of great power - including Cyril Smith (see number 2. above) see here
Kincora Boys Home-linked politician kills self after answering questions pertaining to pedophilia at the home. see here
Ken Livingstone (the ex-Mayor of London) had said that Mi5 orchestrated pedophilia events at Kincora Boys Home in order to blackmail politicians. see here
Prince Charles was not only close friends with Jimmy Savile, but is close friends with a convicted pedophile priest see here And was also friends with pedophile Arthur C Clarke. see here Royal valet & footman, George Smith, claimed to have been raped by Michael Fawcett - a top Royal servant to Prince Charles, and also claimed that he once caught Prince Charles and this same (male) servant in bed together see here.
A royal butler 'took his pedophile victims to tea with Queen Mother see here
Prince Andrew was close friends with a now-convicted pedophile see here
Edwina Curry, a top ranking politician during and after the Thatcher era, wrote in her autobiography that Peter Morrison (the now-deceased Personal Private Secretary to Margaret Thatcher) was a noted "Pederast" (aka pedophile) and admitted as much to then Conservative Party Chairman Norman Tebbit (now a British Lord) see here
An as-yet unnamed Labour peer is being investigated by police after 12 men made allegations of historical child abuse against him see here
Ben Fellows (BBC Child Actor) claims to have been groped by top UK politician Ken Clarke at age 15. He also claims Andrew Lloyd Webber put his tongue down his throat when he was 13 And he also claims he was doing drugs at a party at Esther Rantzen's house as a minor. see here
Member of Parliament Simon Danczuk was warned by top Conservative MP not to challenge Leon Brittan over pedophile dossier. see here
Lord Tebbit admits to establishment cover-up of child abuse . see here
UK Government admits 114 secret files on pedophile cases missing. see here
One of Tony Blair's Ministers is accused by council officials of helping a convicted pedophile foster two young boys. The convicted pedophile was running a children's home at the time. see here
Conservative Party Whip from 1970-1973 admits to covering up problems for MPs, such as "a scandal with small boys", because then the MP would "do what you want forever more" see here
Ex-Minister, Lord Warner, says Children's homes were 'supply line' for pedophiles in the '80s. see here
Former child protection manager says there are up to 20 prominent public figures in alleged pedophile ring covering Parliament and Judiciary. see here
Scotland Yard handed Leon Brittan, the former Conservative Home Secretary, a dossier naming 15 members of notorious pedophile group. This file is currently unaccounted for (this is not the same file given to Leon Brittan by Geoffrey Dickens). see here
Female MP "abused care home boy aged 13 as part of paedophile network at heart of government" see here
Scotland Yard detective 'removed from paedophile probe after naming politicians' see here
Labour peer Barbara Castle drew up dossier on VIP paedophiles: File seized by Special Branch 'heavy mob'. see here. Newspaper Editor confirms the story. see here At least two senior Thatcher Ministers were named in the file. see here
Ex MI5 Informant says that MI5 knew about child abuse at Kincora Boys Home and did nothing about it. see here
Kincora victim tells of sex abuse and ‘stream of men'. see here
pedophile Politician Cyril Smith: Detective claims three probes were stopped. see here
Jill Dando (a famous UK TV Presenter who was murdered in 2001) was working to expose a high-profile pedophile ring at the time see here. Her killer has never been found, and her ex-fiance is now a Doctor to the Royal Family.
TV Presenter and Childline founder, Esther Rantzen's ex-lover, an MP, was lined to pedophile ring see here. Also, a child was abused at her house. see here. She was also accused by child abuse-victim Ben Fellows to exposing children to sex/drug parties (see number 12 above).
A UK ex-Minister is being investigated for child abuse. 15 years ago, an investigation into the same person was mothballed and the Police officer leading the case was sidelined and then disciplined as a result of his inquiries. see here
Ex-house of commons Speaker and ex MP, George Thomas (deceased), is now being investigated for abusing a boy. see here
Home Office Whistle-blower alleges that Secret Services infiltrated a Paedophile group (PIE) to blackmail establishment figures. see here
The son of Conservative MP David Atkinson (now deceased) says that his father was a sexual predator, that he was linked to a Westminster pedophile ring, and that he was being blackmailed by a Westminster staff member. see here
Disgraced MI5 double-agent, Anthony Blunt, frequented well known VIP pedophile hang-out, Elm Guest House. see here
Department of Health fails to follow up on allegations of a pedophile ring in Westminster and Whitehall because it was a waste of time - whistle-blower was told there were "too many of them over there." see here
Police Chief removed from pedophile investigation after making several high-profile arrests. see here.
Ex-Scotland Yard commander: "We were ready to investigate Westminster paedophile ring in early 1980s" see here
Jersey Senator arrested on data charges and dismissed from post after claiming that there had been a child-abuse cover up on the island. see here
World's largest independent mental health NGO gave the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) a platform at a "Sexuality Conference" in the '70s. see here
Peter Hayman, HM High Commissioner to Canada who held top posts in the Ministry of Defence and the UK delegation to Nato, was a member of The Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and was cautioned after his flat was searched and pornographic material pertaining to children was found. see here
Information held by Conservative whips – including details of any sexual misdemeanours – has been shredded since 1996 see here - sixth paragraph
Due to a change in legislation in 2009 by Jack Straw, it is now illegal for children in care to speak out if they are victims of abuse. see here
UK Children in care are six times more likely to be assessed for abuse than a child in the general population. see here
Scotland Yard detective 'removed from paedophile probe after naming politicians' see here
http://www.reddit.com/user/ahmrbond
Their relatives and friends won't notice them missing
8 million children will go
missing this year
2 million children will be victims
of commercial sexual exploitation
http://www.icmec.org/en_X1/icmec_publications/ICMEC_mech.pdf
global elite Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult network.
http://topinfopost.com/2014/06/17/royals-killing-children-for-fun-hunting-parties
I think they need an acronym :lol The GENCSCSCN :lol can you imagine their current email address satan1@globaleliteninthcirclesatanicchildsacrificecultnetwork.org ;D
(http://images.tvfanatic.com/iu/t_large_l/v1371156284/nambla-on-south-park.png)
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Geez your depressing Bents, I almost (note the almost) wish 65 would start back on some his Abott bashing
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Geez your depressing Bents, I almost (note the almost) wish 65 would start back on some his Abott bashing
This thread has gone seriously off track.
Bents' posts make mine look almost sane.
:lol
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which part is insane? its too depressing so pretend its not happening and go back to the kardiasians? :whistle i didnt intend to focus on elite global pedo rings. If tony didn't introduce Authoritarianism internet laws and our friend Shaun Graham praise him with his pedophile fixation for it i would of left it alone
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Geez your depressing Bents, I almost (note the almost) wish 65 would start back on some his Abott bashing
The world a funniest bloke just topped himself.
The world is depressing brother not merely aye
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you have gone too deep mate Norris is right
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Yet I am in good company
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657724/Pope-Francis-claims-global-economy-close-collapse-describes-youth-unemployment-rates-atrocity-damning-message.html
http://i.imgur.com/TIta62j.png
https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5344 :whistle
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Who gives a stuff
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Who gives a stuff
Tony and the Libs don't, so you are in good(?) company.
:lol
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Just quietly, thought I heard on the news that Abott has got himself in front as preferred PM vs Shorten for the first time
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Just quietly, thought I heard on the news that Abott has got himself in front as preferred PM vs Shorten for the first time
Yes, watch him get us involved in another war to stay there.
Just hope he doesn't declare war on Russia.
:lol
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Just quietly, thought I heard on the news that Abott has got himself in front as preferred PM vs Shorten for the first time
Yes, watch him get us involved in another war to stay there.
Just hope he doesn't declare war on Russia.
: lol
On second thoughts the prospect is not funny.
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And these stuffing idiots are running the country.
Critics attack Joe Hockey's claim poorest don't drive cars as 'completely fallacious'
August 13, 2014 - 3:50PM
James Massola, Judith Ireland
Treasurer Joe Hockey is facing a fresh round of criticism for being out of touch and not understanding the impact of his budget on the less well off after suggesting “poorest people either don't have cars or actually don't drive very far in many cases”.
Mr Hockey made the comments on Wednesday as he argued the government's proposed rise in fuel excise was a progressive measure that would cost people on middle and higher incomes more.
The Treasurer said the Coalition was asking "everyone to contribute, including higher income people" by restarting indexation of fuel excise, a measure Labor has labelled a new fuel tax.
Contrary to Mr Hockey's claim, a 2001 research paper from the Parliamentary Library states that "petrol and diesel excises are regressive in that people on low incomes pay a higher proportion of their incomes in the form of excise than people on high incomes, given the same level of fuel use".
And in a June 2014 submission to the Senate Economics Committee inquiry into the proposed excise rise, the Australian Automobile Association stated that: "Research indicates that the people who use their cars most frequently are in the outer metropolitan areas and rural and regional areas where there are lower incomes, less jobs, and little or no access to public transport"
Labor leader Bill Shorten, welfare groups and crossbench senator Ricky Muir have rounded on Mr Hockey, labelling the Treasurer's suggestion fallacious and based on incorrect assumptions.
“Are you serious, Joe Hockey? Are you really the cigar chomping, Foghorn Leghorn of Australian politics where you're saying that poor people don't drive cars?," Mr Shorten said.
“Joe Hockey says [poorer Australians] don't drive cars yet they don't give them another alternative. It is almost as if the Treasurer believes that poor people should be sleeping in their cars, not driving their cars.”
St Vincent de Paul Society chief executive John Falzon said the claim was “completely fallacious”.
“This is a massive assumption on the Treasurer's part. In fact many low income households are heavily dependent on quite old motor vehicles that are not terribly fuel efficient as their only means of transport," he said.
“Cheaper housing is often located in areas far from necessary infrastructure and jobs and so they find themselves having to travel long distances at times. And they are often very poorly served by public transport.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/critics-attack-joe-hockeys-claim-poorest-dont-drive-cars-as-completely-fallacious-20140813-3dmrj.html#ixzz3AFfsjLni
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I see the usual Liberal apologists have gone to ground.
Maybe even they are starting to realise what a pack of pricks this government is.
:lol
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Cbf replying to horseshyt articles.
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Cbf replying to horseshyt articles.
x 2
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I understand, it's hard to defend the indefensible.
:cheers
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i agree that was poor form but who gives a stuff
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Just quietly, thought I heard on the news that Abott has got himself in front as preferred PM vs Shorten for the first time
Yes, watch him get us involved in another war to stay there.
Just hope he doesn't declare war on Russia.
:lol
Just wait 'till the next bout of opinion polls. Threatening to invade the middle east again = at least plus ten percent
yeees big tony :clapping
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/missouri-police-shoot-man-city-teenager-killed?CMP=twt_gu
lol http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/12/02/opinion/opart-riot.html?ref=sunday
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Geez if 65 and Judge shut up for more than a few minutes, Tree's would die.....
but "ahhhh the serenity."
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Just quietly, thought I heard on the news that Abott has got himself in front as preferred PM vs Shorten for the first time
Bang!
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6A8CHCQAEyRnw.jpg)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/missouri-police-shoot-man-city-teenager-killed?CMP=twt_gu
lol http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/12/02/opinion/opart-riot.html?ref=sunday
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http://imgur.com/zUgcped
(http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/dh993.JPG)
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930
:help http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/huffington-post-reporter-arrested-ferguson_n_5676829.html
its not black v black - cops v everyone :-X
https://twitter.com/OccupyOakland/status/499758619470987266
Palestinian citizens are tweeting to the resistors in #Ferguson with support & tips on dealing with tear gas! #gaza pic.twitter.com/5WeHzsqPKN
:lol
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My head hurts. Mods, please give Bents his own 'madness' thread.
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My head hurts. Mods, please give Bents his own 'madness' thread.
Would you like to phone a friend?
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Judge, how about you buy a comma....
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I know this......give me a minute please.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu91QmwCMAIHEZ3.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu-KOiFIgAAkLVa.png)
https://twitter.com/TheAviator1992/status/499770071267287040/photo/1
:lol
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(https://occupymelbournenet.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/hockeyletthemridebikestagged.png)
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Says it all...
Joe Hockey may be sorry, but that doesn't mean he gets it
The treasurer is really, really sorry for his comments about poor people, but even his apology shows he is still out of touch
Lenore Taylor, political editor
Friday 15 August 2014 19.14 AEST
Joe Hockey says he is really, really, sorry the disadvantaged may have somehow got the impression he, or the government, did not care about them.
Because in fact the government is doing its “very best” for the disadvantaged – by making the welfare and health systems “sustainable” with the policies outlined in the budget.
Those policies include the cuts to health, pensions, welfare, education and family payments which have resulted in multiple sets of modelling concluding that the impact of the budget is unfair. And they don’t include numerous other ways spending could have been cut, or revenue raised, and the budget brought back to surplus, which would not hurt the poor.
If this is really Hockey’s idea of a budget that shows compassion for the disadvantaged, he is even more out of touch than people thought he was after his ridiculous comments about poor people not driving very far.
Perhaps he could read the submissions to a Senate inquiry into the budget’s welfare changes, where I came across a case study of a man who had sought help from St Vincent de Paul.
He was a 64-year-old from somewhere near Bathurst who had been forced to give up his lifelong job as a truck driver in 2013 after a serious heart attack. He could no longer work, even casually, and was living on a disability support pension. After he had paid rent and power he had $135 a week – which also had to cover around $40 a week in medical prescription costs.
The man had sought financial counselling and had tried to save money in many ways but he still couldn’t make ends meet and was forced to ask for help from Vinnies several times before deciding to move to a shack on a small bush block he owned, without power or running water.
“He will have to use lanterns and a battery radio, and work out ways to heat water and keep food cool. He is willing to live there even though it is not designed or insulated to be a home, and every time it rains the roof leaks, so that he is obliged to put out buckets to catch the drips. The move takes him further away from his beloved daughter and grandchildren. Mr X feels that the only way that he can cope with the cost pressures on his small income is to quit town and move to barely habitable accommodation in a remote location,” Vinnies writes in its submission.
The budget proposes to index the age and disability pensions by the CPI, usually a lower amount than the average weekly earnings that have until now been the benchmark for an annual increase.
The fact that unemployment benefits have been indexed by the lower amount is the reason they are now worth $7,500 a year less than the pension.
Once the pension is also indexed by the lesser amount, the former truck driver on his back block with no power will, over time, have even less money to meet his needs. And almost straight away, if the budget gets through, he will have to find $7 for his first 10 visits to the doctor.
Did the government’s “very best” extend to thinking about the real lives of pensioners like this man?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/joe-hockey-apology-welfare-budget-poor-people
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May as well reduce what's left of the dental benefits for the poor because, let's face it everyone, poor people have less teeth.
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the whole thing is hopeless and given the intrests, a powder keg for ww3
Go one bigger. The evangelists in the west sided with the zionists to carry out the christian eschatology mythology. Religion is the root of almost every evil in history.
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Joe Hockey may be sorry, but that doesn't mean he gets it
The worst thing about Hockey's comments is he gets all freebies for his car use as a pollie - all at our taxpayers' expense. That's free fuel, free rego, free insurance, free repairs, etc... The age of entitlement hasn't ended for smoking Joe while he hypocritically lectures and attacks poor people :facepalm.
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And here I was thinking the fine people off frankest on cranbourne dandenong had cars and drove a shyte load
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:lol
Abbott is a stuffwit and his days are numbered.
The worst PM in my memory.
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:lol
Abbott is a stuffwit and his days are numbered.
The worst PM in my memory.
Apart from Gillard and Rudd
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:shh
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Since Ive been alive we have had Fraser, Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Abbott.
It's Little Johnny then daylight ..
What a sorry list it is.
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Since Ive been alive we have had Fraser, Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Abbott.
It's Little Johnny then daylight ..
What a sorry list it is.
I reckon Abbott has been just as controversial in his first year as Howard. Hopefully One Term Tony won't stick around.
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Since Ive been alive we have had Fraser, Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Abbott.
It's Little Johnny then daylight ..
What a sorry list it is.
Dead right Damo. FWIW, I'd rate them in this order:
Little Johnny
Hawke
Fraser
Keating
Abbott
Gillard
Rudd
And I've had the pleasure of being governed by other fine statesmen such as Whitlam, Gorton, McMahon and Snedden (that I can remember anything about - Menzies & Holt I was only a kid).
And I would place them all collectively just above Rudd to be honest. Whitlam maybe on a par with Gillard and Abbott.
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Whit lam had an issue with execution
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Whit lam had an issue with execution
Yeah, that was his issue. ::)
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The worst PM in my lifetime has been Fraser. Failure to accept modern reforms at the time lead to an Australia economy driven into the dirt by 1982, double digit unemployment (which doubled after he took over from Whitlam), 21% interest rates, a hidden budget deficit, etc.
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The worst PM in my lifetime has been Fraser. Failure to accept modern reforms at the time lead to an Australia economy driven into the dirt by 1982, double digit unemployment (which doubled after he took over from Whitlam), 21% interest rates, a hidden budget deficit, etc.
He inherited a basket-case economy MT. And to clarify, I'm not a Fraser fan in any way shape or form.
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The worst PM in my lifetime has been Fraser. Failure to accept modern reforms at the time lead to an Australia economy driven into the dirt by 1982, double digit unemployment (which doubled after he took over from Whitlam), 21% interest rates, a hidden budget deficit, etc.
He inherited a basket-case economy MT. And to clarify, I'm not a Fraser fan in any way shape or form.
It had nothing to do with Whitlam. 1982 was not 1975. Andrew Peacock saw the writing on the wall and challenged Fraser but Fraser survived as PM. Even Howard (who was treasurer then) blamed Fraser in later years for opposing reform and the Liberal party even now admits the Fraser years were wasted. It took Hawke & Keating to modernise the Australian economy and kill off the high "inflationary dragon" that had dominated the Australian economy since the late 60s.
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The worst PM in my lifetime has been Fraser. Failure to accept modern reforms at the time lead to an Australia economy driven into the dirt by 1982, double digit unemployment (which doubled after he took over from Whitlam), 21% interest rates, a hidden budget deficit, etc.
He inherited a basket-case economy MT. And to clarify, I'm not a Fraser fan in any way shape or form.
It had nothing to do with Whitlam. 1982 was not 1975. Andrew Peacock saw the writing on the wall and challenged Fraser but Fraser survived as PM. Even Howard (who was treasurer then) blamed Fraser in later years for opposing reform and the Liberal party even now admits the Fraser years were wasted. It took Hawke & Keating to modernise the Australian economy and kill off the high "inflationary dragon" that had dominated the Australian economy since the late 60s.
Have no problem with what you say about Fraser doing little on his watch to reform but he most certainly did inherit a basket-case economy. Whitlam's govt ran up debt levels to an unsustainable level, just like Rudd and Gillard did. It wasn't fixed until the Hawke/Keating govts but Fraser didn't cause it, he just didn't help it.
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Interesting comparison between this government and Whitlam's in 1975.
A message to Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott: I want my money back
August 11, 2014
Nicholas Stuart
Tony Abbott will probably receive a brief polling bounce after his return from Europe. Yet his playing consular cop hasn’t advanced our national interest one iota and he’ll soon return to issues that can’t be sorted out with a brief photo-op and anodyne questions. The real problem Abbott faces is the person he’s left behind to sort out the biggest issue he faces: passing the budget.
Tomorrow it will be three months since Joe Hockey strode purposefully into a room packed full of expectant journalists to unveil his budget. Since then he’s alternated between bombast – warning everyone to take their medicine, cajoling – encouraging us that if we have our medicine things will get better, and simply relaxing – wandering off overseas and not worrying about who’s taking their medicine. About the only thing he hasn’t done is anything to ensure his budget will actually pass the Senate. The last time a government was this incompetent at guiding its financial measures through parliament was 1975; that didn’t end well. Nearly 90 days post-release and the country still doesn’t have a budget. “Sloppy Joe” is living up to his nickname.
At some point the shuffling will have to stop.
Or perhaps not. Maybe Hockey has given up. Perhaps it’s all a bit too hard. His attitude seems to be that he’s decided the dose and, eventually, everyone will have to swallow their medicine, like it or not. If so it seems the Treasurer hasn’t being paying attention.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/a-message-to-joe-hockey-and-tony-abbott-i-want-my-money-back-20140811-102nhs.html#ixzz3AhBji5Nf
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Bents, provide a link for it or it gets removed
You know the rules :banghead
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Some say his comments were fotcedt - yet why would a man about to be decapitated go along with it
Some? Try all
And why? You really are naïve if you have to ask that :facepalm
And BTW you previous post was removed because you again refused to provide the appropriate referencing = LINK for it
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Why ate you deleting these comments?
Pls explain yourself
If you want the link, it's from the video. U want me to post it? His wife requested it not be linked
The words said by Foley and the killee.
If the mans about to be beheaded why would he lie?
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Why ate you deleting these comments?
Pls explain yourself
If you want the link, it's from the video. U want me to post it? His wife requested it not be linked
The words said by Foley and the killee.
If the mans about to be beheaded why would he lie?
All you needed to to was say it came from a video.
You know the rules...they have been explained to you and have been in place for over 10 years now. You cannot post anything that has come directly from another source without supplying a link to the source
From http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13.msg38#msg38
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There is no exception. You have clearly breached this rule and as per the above it has been removed
Yes his family has asked for people not to view it and forward it. But you have anyway (ableit indirectly). Post it again and reference it correctly and it wont get removed. It isn't hard
Who said he lied?
You said in your post that I quoted and replied to "Some say his comments were fotcedt - yet why would a man about to be decapitated go along with it" (ed: I have no idea what happened to that post, you must have removed it because I certainly didn't)
I replied that all people believe/know he was forced to make the statement he did.
You then asked why would he go along with it? To which I replied you must be naive to have to ask that question.
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Why ate you deleting these comments?
Pls explain yourself
If you want the link, it's from the video. U want me to post it? His wife requested it not be linked
The words said by Foley and the killee.
If the mans about to be beheaded why would he lie?
Oh Bents
Ummmm maybe he has been tortured for two years and wants to end it
Like he knows that the garbage is not going to be believed by anyone but the jihadists
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/08/20/u-s-military-announces-14-airstrikes-in-iraq-following-james-foley-execution/
Lol
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Police pointing a loaded semi-auto AR-15 at unarmed protestors saying "I will stuffing kill you."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ :-\
Warning - so wp doesn't delete, the following does have the word stuff in it. After pointing said gun, someone asks theppolice his name and he replys go stuff yourself.America land of the free
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http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/08/21/14/44/live-stream-bill-shorten-prepares-to-address-the-media-in-melbourne
Opposition leader Bill Shorten says he has been cleared of rape allegations
Opposition leader Bill Shorten has said he is the ‘senior Labor figure’ cleared overnight of raping a teenager in the 1980s.
"Late last year, I learned a claim had been made about me going back to when I was 19," Mr Shorten said in Melbourne today.
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Worst Leader of the Opposition ever.
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Worst Leader of the Opposition ever.
:lol
I think history will judge Tony A as being the worst ever.
:cheers
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Shorten can be one of Tony's mates now.
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Worst Leader of the Opposition ever.
:lol
I think history will judge Tony A as being the worst ever.
:cheers
Alexander Downer says hi!
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So does Mark Latham.
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:lol
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Dr Hewson and his cake analogy for the gst say hi
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Dr Hewson and his cake analogy for the gst say hi
Great minds think alike
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Yep, all correct but for one fact.
Abbott with his constant negativity has changed the nature of our parliamentary debate for decades to come.
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Why ate you deleting these comments?
Oh Bents
Ummmm maybe he has been tortured for two years and wants to end it
Like he knows that the garbage is not going to be believed by anyone but the jihadists
http://i.imgur.com/JpFj4c0.jpg
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Worst Leader of the Opposition ever.
:lol
I think history will judge Tony A as being the worst ever.
:cheers
Alexander Downer says hi!
Absolutely his manifesto on policy regarding family violence was titled as "the things that batter" :facepalm
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Foley murder video 'may have been staged'
Analysts believe the British jihadi in the video may not have been James Foley's killer, although it is accepted that the journalist was murdered
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html
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Lmao, ATO going after cleaners, cafes and musos while Google, Twitter and Facebook apply for exemption.
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Foley murder video 'may have been staged'
Analysts believe the British jihadi in the video may not have been James Foley's killer, although it is accepted that the journalist was murdered
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html
http://www.veoh.com/iphone/#_Watch/v767086125qxEeZ27
Knife cuts the neck 13 times
http://www.blacklistednews.com/YOU_DO_REALIZE_THAT_THE_U.S._FUNDED_AND_TRAINED_ISIS%2C_RIGHT%3F/37438/0/38/38/Y/M.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
No blood. No cut mark
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Th Australian
Page 2
Today
Some may find the above photo disturbing and. Hope it is. It is not being shown gratuitously, but to bring how true awfulness of what s happening in gaza.
Almost 2000 palaistine have been slaughter. 10,000 wound. ... isreal bombs continue to strike wi a vengeance at th civilian population below. Make no mistake about it: more than 80% of those killed have been civilians.
We can not shed tears over yesteryears holocaust victims when reading book, seeing films, visiting museums. And not seeing these innocent palaistine children ar today are just as deserving of you sorrow and outrage.
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http://i.imgur.com/TXA7fpv.jpg
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Gee Leftsack, two women with long straight brown hair & big chins, must be the same person - except for the fact the top one's chin is not as pointy, they have different noses, different shaped eyes and the one the bottom looks younger. Might as well add in that chick from Big Bang Theory that used to be Blossom too.....halfwit.
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Excellent facial analysis skill there. :clapping
Don't shoot the messenger
(http://i.imgur.com/RwMOnGZ.jpg)
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http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/irak-deutschland-schickt-kurden-panzerabwehrraketen-a-989117.html
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You really are a nutcase.
:lol
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It seems a horny NSA [maybe[ employee has hacked a leaked a number of celeb punani photos
NSFW
But safe for the national security agency :clapping
My non professional understanind this is rather illegal but bush and Cheney did NGAF
Not a bad day to be alive
#leakforjlaw #feminism
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Not a bad first year from TA you have to admit.
Has really grown into quite the leader if you ask me
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http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-strange-and-suspicious-case-of-tony-abbotts-citizenship,6859#.VAh1By-Qw1o.reddit
After Oxford, he returned to Australia and entered a seminary. The priesthood didn’t stick and, after managing a cement plant, and then some stints as a journalist, monarchist and apparatchik, he entered Parliament in 1994.
Section 44 of the Australian Constitution is clear when it says:
Dual nationality is considered an acknowledgement of allegiance and entitled to the privileges of citizenship of a foreign power disqualifies people from standing for parliament.
This is a provision strictly applied. In 1996, Jackie Kelly was forced to face a by-election after being found to have been elected holding both Australian and New Zealand citizenship. Employment Minister Senator Eric Abetz appears to have been elected to the Senate holding dual German and Australian citizenship before finally renouncing his citizenship after a High Court action has been commenced against him.
Deport
Go home we don't want u here
Stop the boats
Australia is full
Poms out of government
Illegals out too
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Not a bad first year from TA you have to admit.
Has really grown into quite the leader if you ask me
(http://chimpmania.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28971&d=1337683356&thumb=1) :laugh:
Credit where it was due for Abbott's response and handling of the MH17 tragedy (it helped having a position on the UN security council) but on the domestic front Abbott's been played by Clive Palmer and the billionaire's latest whim. What's helped Abbott recently though is the main focus has switched overseas to the ISIS psychos and the Ukraine/Russie crisis, while at home it has been Hockey who has been the one continually putting his foot in his mouth.
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:whistleWar of terror must be won mt
Have some respect for tony pls
He yelled at putin too, that was wonderful
My understanding is australia signed a non disclosed pact for the Plane that got shot down. I like how this didn't make the main stream media.
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Watch out Tony, they are coming for you.
Pressure builds for federal ICAC
Date September 10, 2014
Mark Kenny
The case for a federal corruption watchdog has been given fresh impetus by claims that the Liberal Party-linked Free Enterprise Foundation, based in Canberra, was used to channel otherwise illegal donations from a developer back to the state party machine in 2011.
The allegation is one of myriad disturbing accounts of dodgy dealings between politicians and property developers dating back years.
In Canberra, crossbench senators say the steady stream of revelations emanating from the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption has bolstered the case for a national version.
They argue persuasively that the superior revenue-raising and spending powers of the Commonwealth make transparency and probity even more necessary.
Greens democracy spokeswoman Lee Rhiannon said major party resistance to a "national ICAC" – as many dub it – was becoming increasingly hard to justify, especially when money flowed routinely between state and federal accounts of political parties.
And she said the standard refrain from the major parties that NSW was a special case was also wishful thinking.
"The appalling things we are learning about the murky relationship between business and politics in NSW, we only know because of ICAC, so how do we know what's happening beyond that?" she said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/pressure-builds-for-federal-icac-20140909-10ed3n.html#ixzz3CrAek1Of
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Just read that Russia is re-militarising Wrangel Island to take their Arctic circle presence to cold war levels. Interesting because the US make a large claim over the region. Both interests obviously due to the oil and gas reserves that will be readily accessible the more the ice retreats.
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That awful ranga PM we had is getting reamed at the commission
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Just read that Russia is re-militarising Wrangel Island to take their Arctic circle presence to cold war levels. Interesting because the US make a large claim over the region. Both interests obviously due to the oil and gas reserves that will be readily accessible the more the ice retreats.
Would make "The deadliest catch" that little bit more exciting.
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Just read that Russia is re-militarising Wrangel Island to take their Arctic circle presence to cold war levels. Interesting because the US make a large claim over the region. Both interests obviously due to the oil and gas reserves that will be readily accessible the more the ice retreats.
Would make "The deadliest catch" that little bit more exciting.
As if Bering Sea Gold didn't already have enough drama ;D
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How this bastard thinks he is going to get re-elected just amazes me.
One-term Tony. Libs only hope is a leadership change. Julie Bishop?
Heaven help us.
Women will bear the brunt of the Abbott government's budget cuts.
September 10, 2014 - 7:00PM
Gareth Hutchens
New analysis drawing on National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling budget impact models and latest census and Australian Bureau of Statistics data, shows women in low and middle-income households can expect to suffer the biggest financial losses from the Abbott government's budget savings.
And the worst hit – by far – will be women in low-income households.
A single mother in the lowest disposable income group can expect to lose one of every four dollars lost by that group in the budget's aftermath come 2017.
Women in middle-income households will suffer much more than high-income women.
The analysis comes as Prime Minister Tony Abbott released a video on the weekend in which he said one of his government's main motivations in future will be "protecting the vulnerable."
The new slogan marked a deliberate and noticeable change of rhetoric from Mr Abbott's previous public messages, and follows months of criticism that he and his Treasurer, Joe Hockey, have endured for their budget's likely negative impact on poor households.
An opinion poll published this week also showed Mr Hockey has recently become the least popular member of the Coalition front bench, falling from third place nine months ago when a similar poll was taken.
The new analysis, conducted by the Australia Institute, shows women in the poorest 20 per cent of households will be $2566 worse off in 2017 as a result of the budget.
Women in the wealthiest 20 per cent of households will be only $77 worse off on average in 2017.
The analysis accounts for disposable income after tax, including welfare payments, and considers the impact of the government's controversial fuel indexation changes, fringe benefits tax changes, and the loss of the low-income super contribution from July 1, 2017.
The analysis does not include the likely impact of the proposed GP co-payment and higher education measures.
Marie Coleman, chairwoman of the National Foundation of Australian Women and former head of the Social Welfare Commission, called the figures "alarming."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-budget-to-leave-poorer-women-worse-off-20140910-10f4dw.html#ixzz3CwcJLjFB
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It makes me furious too
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When are we invading Syria?
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/10/politics/isis-obama-speech/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Bashar al-Assad gawn
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http://countercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/McCain_and_Syrian_rebels-550x251-.jpg[/img]. :whistle
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Don't think it will be an invasion more just bombing the poo out of it
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That's 12 Liberal scumbags that should be thrown in jail.
Liberal MP becomes the latest scalp
September 13, 2014
Michaela Whitbourn and Kate McClymont
A sensational corruption inquiry has concluded by claiming a 10th NSW Liberal scalp, with Port Stephens MP Craig Baumann sent to the crossbench amid allegations he took secret developer donations.
This brings to 12 the number of state and federal Liberal politicians who have resigned or stood aside after corruption inquiries this year.
One, Senator Arthur Sinodinos, told the Independent Commission Against Corruption on Friday he did not accept ''any responsibility'' for the NSW Liberal Party accepting donations from prohibited donors during the past state election campaign.
Operation Spicer, which concluded nine weeks of public hearings on Friday, investigated allegations that the NSW Liberals accepted money from banned sources before the 2011 election.
Senator Sinodinos was then the chairman of the party's finance committee. He gave evidence he was unaware property developers, who have been prohibited from making political donations in NSW since January 2010, were donating to the campaign.
''Property developers as defined by whom?'' he asked.
''What's your problem? Don't you know what a property developer is?'' counsel assisting the inquiry, Geoffrey Watson, SC, asked.
The biggest donor, a shadowy Canberra-based organisation called the Free Enterprise Foundation, allegedly ''washed'' almost $700,000 in illicit donations, channelling the money to the NSW Liberal Party.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/liberal-mp-becomes-the-latest-scalp-20140912-3fj4u.html#ixzz3DBOHkx6W
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That's 12 Liberal scumbags that should be thrown in jail.
Will be able to share a cell with Gillard after the commission finishes with her, then we will find out who has the biggest nuts
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That's 12 Liberal scumbags that should be thrown in jail.
Will be able to share a cell with Gillard after the commission finishes with her, then we will find out who has the biggest nuts
Based on her day in court, she has nothing to worry about. What a waste of taxpayers' money this is if that prosecutor's questions to Gillard are the example :facepalm.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/13/ron-pauls-audit-fed-bill-returns-congress/
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Tony must be very conscious of going back on his word once again by only committing 600 combat soldiers and saying this will take months, not weeks.
In truth this will take years until the job is done. We're now dealing with more than a handful of religious numpties in trackies and runners looking to just blow stuff up and more than just sectarian conflict between the Sunnis abd Shi'ites. This is now an organised unit looking to challenge the world order. They have established Al Raqqah as their capital, have taken over government and continue to run public services such as utilities, law and order and health (all to their own standard of course) to show that they are capable. They need to be hit with everything we (the west) has got before stuff like the Wahhabi rumblings of Saudi Arabia get bigger. Israel is obviously their final goal and as much as it would please me to see it gone, IS must be stopped before Israel get directly drawn. Otherwise we're going to have a post ww2 situation where Israel will claim and occupy the rest of the levant like the Soviet Union never gave back territory won from German occupation.
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Tony must be very conscious of going back on his word once again by only committing 600 combat soldiers and saying this will take months, not weeks.
In truth this will take years until the job is done. We're now dealing with more than a handful of religious numpties in trackies and runners looking to just blow stuff up and more than just sectarian conflict between the Sunnis abd Shi'ites. This is now an organised unit looking to challenge the world order. They have established Al Raqqah as their capital, have taken over government and continue to run public services such as utilities, law and order and health (all to their own standard of course) to show that they are capable. They need to be hit with everything we (the west) has got before stuff like the Wahhabi rumblings of Saudi Arabia get bigger. Israel is obviously their final goal and as much as it would please me to see it gone, IS must be stopped before Israel get directly drawn. Otherwise we're going to have a post ww2 situation where Israel will claim and occupy the rest of the levant like the Soviet Union never gave back territory won from German occupation.
Given america has been at war 90% of its existence, 238/216 years - as a context
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States?id=1
Perhaps the group is not infact "attempting to challange the world order"?
Have they once spoken out against isreal or lamented the palaistine cause?
Could it be they are infact American created / funded / armed?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NEuJ5v3AbJg&channel=3arabiSouri
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/11-photos-of-us-weapons-used-by-isis-and-some-rockets-from-a#4cf4tmk
Coincidentally this all fits in well for the military-industrial complex. Who's agenda has been meet one again; spread primarily fear and division via race and or religion. In order to continue a war without end (or perhaps we will win the terror/drug wars soon) which benifits arms dealers, resource interests. (Lithium, gold, oil, poppies etc).
It suits the expansionists policies of the Jewish state equally well. Proper justification for more land, walls. All tied up in a nice little bundle.
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Don't think it will be an invasion more just bombing the poo out of it
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-assad-shooting-american-planes-141200579.html
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Tony must be very conscious of going back on his word once again by only committing 600 combat soldiers and saying this will take months, not weeks.
dwaino I think he said many months at one stage which in political speak could mean years. To coin an old phrase, Anywhere is walking distance if you have the time. ;D
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"It is a serious situation when all you need to do to carry out a terrorist attack is to have a knife, an iPhone and a victim," Mr Abbott said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-terrorism-suspects-held-under-powers-introduced-by-howard-government-20140919-10ji7y.html#ixzz8rHkRoQpz
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In truth this will take years until the job is done.
if history tells us anything, this will take years, and the job will never be done.
this whole mess is a direct result of Daniel's idols, Team America ( stuff yeah!). they armed and trained ISIS and ISIS would not have got the foothold they have in Iraq under Saddam. we also contributed,thus are obliged to try to fix the mess.
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The job isn't sposed to be done.
The Jewish expansionist ideological foreign policy requires a consistent 'terror' enemy to justify their unethical actions.
Coincidence that the current situation: the rise of a small ork-like middle Eastern groupis the ideal xcircumstance for the powers to be. (Oil beneficiary, arms dealers, bankers)
(http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/military-industrial-complex-dwight-eisenhower.jpg)
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In truth this will take years until the job is done.
if history tells us anything, this will take years, and the job will never be done.
this whole mess is a direct result of Daniel's idols, Team America ( stuff yeah!). they armed and trained ISIS and ISIS would not have got the foothold they have in Iraq under Saddam. we also contributed,thus are obliged to try to fix the mess.
Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said Wednesday that the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq created the extremist group the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL. Further foreign military presence, he said, will only create new terrorists.
“If you look at the essence of ISIS, it’s the product of foreign invasion,” Zarif said during a discussion at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Foreign presence in any territory creates a dynamic for demagogues like ISIS to use the resentment in the population of being occupied.”
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In truth this will take years until the job is done.
if history tells us anything, this will take years, and the job will never be done.
this whole mess is a direct result of Daniel's idols, Team America ( stuff yeah!). they armed and trained ISIS and ISIS would not have got the foothold they have in Iraq under Saddam. we also contributed,thus are obliged to try to fix the mess.
Too right al. Not sure if I wrote it in this thread or another one but it is very much the doing of the west and a result of forming sides in the Cold War. Doesn't change the fact that they have to be stopped though as the repercussions of leaving them unchecked are dire.
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In truth this will take years until the job is done.
if history tells us anything, this will take years, and the job will never be done.
this whole mess is a direct result of Daniel's idols, Team America ( stuff yeah!). they armed and trained ISIS and ISIS would not have got the foothold they have in Iraq under Saddam. we also contributed,thus are obliged to try to fix the mess.
Too right al. Not sure if I wrote it in this thread or another one but it is very much the doing of the west and a result of forming sides in the Cold War. Doesn't change the fact that they have to be stopped though as the repercussions of leaving them unchecked are dire.
The invasion of Iraq resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians.
"Stopping" them merely results in waves of generations growing up hating the west in general and becoming more extremists. The cycle continues, the webs we weave.
I believe this is a good outcome for certain influential parities. And not so much for humanity as a whole.
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In truth this will take years until the job is done.
if history tells us anything, this will take years, and the job will never be done.
this whole mess is a direct result of Daniel's idols, Team America ( stuff yeah!). they armed and trained ISIS and ISIS would not have got the foothold they have in Iraq under Saddam. we also contributed,thus are obliged to try to fix the mess.
take it easy tiger. I have an opinion which is to support this country and any allies they have and that includes the US.
I dont care for conspiracy theories to be honest, and i'm not sure how you can blame the americans for these animals doing what they are doing. Did they kill all these innocent woman and kids did they.
Each to their own i guess and i have many family members who share your view.
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In truth this will take years until the job is done.
if history tells us anything, this will take years, and the job will never be done.
this whole mess is a direct result of Daniel's idols, Team America ( stuff yeah!). they armed and trained ISIS and ISIS would not have got the foothold they have in Iraq under Saddam. we also contributed,thus are obliged to try to fix the mess.
take it easy tiger. I have an opinion which is to support this country and any allies they have and that includes the US.
I dont care for conspiracy theories to be honest, and i'm not sure how you can blame the americans for these animals doing what they are doing. Did they kill all these innocent woman and kids did they.
Each to their own i guess and i have many family members who share your view.
How many kids died in the Middle East in the last 10 years sir ? That wouldn't of, otherwise
Do we not support these killings via our support of the yanks and her allies
Is it somewhat not hypocritical to Mae take responbilty for the actions we support ?
The 3.2 million employed by the Pentagon make money...the weapons manufacturers make money...the private defense contractors make money...the intelligence agencies make money...the private intelligence corporations make money...the construction and industrial builders make money...the energy companies make money...the media companies make money...the technology and software companies make money...the transportation companies (airlines, trains, buses) make money...the medical device companies make money...the pharmaceutical companies make money...the lobbyists make money...the bankers make money...the attorneys make money...the investors make money...
arms and trains Al-qaeda
AQ turns against us
arms and trains ISIS
ISIS turns against us
arms and trains rebels to fight ISIS
I stuffing wonder where this is going
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In truth this will take years until the job is done.
if history tells us anything, this will take years, and the job will never be done.
this whole mess is a direct result of Daniel's idols, Team America ( stuff yeah!). they armed and trained ISIS and ISIS would not have got the foothold they have in Iraq under Saddam. we also contributed,thus are obliged to try to fix the mess.
Too right al. Not sure if I wrote it in this thread or another one but it is very much the doing of the west and a result of forming sides in the Cold War. Doesn't change the fact that they have to be stopped though as the repercussions of leaving them unchecked are dire.
The invasion of Iraq resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians.
"Stopping" them merely results in waves of generations growing up hating the west in general and becoming more extremists. The cycle continues, the webs we weave.
I believe this is a good outcome for certain influential parities. And not so much for humanity as a whole.
if you dont do anything about these mentals then you will still have generations of extremists growing up hating. this mob are pure evil. they promote hatred and intolerance with no respect for human life. they would ban all sports and have public executions as their entertainment.
as dwaino said, they are not some group of terrorist cells spread about living in caves or hiding like sewer rats in cities, but an organisation aiming to create a state of pure evil rather than just wage a guerrilla type warfare of terror. if they are allowed to do so the ramifications for the middle east and the world in general will be ugly. imagine hitler combined with pol pot and throw in a large dose of bastardised religious idealism, thats what we are dealing with.
sometimes the ramifications of doing nothing are worse than the fallout from taking action.
as Edmund Burke said “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” .
these scum need to be eradicated and it is the responsibility of those who created this mess to try to fix it. Unfortunately that includes us and those that blindly followed team america into a war based on lies, with no real thought to the final outcome beyond flexing military might are out of the limelight and thus will not be held to account.
(http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/main_node_view_image/bush_mission_accomplished_uss_abraham_lincoln_reuters_img.jpg)
stuff yeah!
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take it easy tiger. I have an opinion which is to support this country and any allies they have and that includes the US.
I dont care for conspiracy theories to be honest, and i'm not sure how you can blame the americans for these animals doing what they are doing. Did they kill all these innocent woman and kids did they.
Each to their own i guess and i have many family members who share your view.
blind support is dangerous. it is actually what these mentals rely on to induce their followers.
just like your view on so called conspiracy theories. you seem to think that because you like them, they must all be good people, again a dangerous mentality. head in the sand stuff. ( yet you happily believe that Scottish referendum was rigged?)
it is not a conspicy theory that the US armed and trained the rebels fighting the Assad regime in syria. It is fact and that is where ISAS has its roots.
nor is it conspiricy theory that the invasion of iraq took a stable dictatorship and left a fractured disorganised country, expecting various religious groups who have been fighting each other for centuries to govern with a commom goal.
if not for the yanks ISAS would not have the organisation or firepower, nor would iraq have been ripe for the picking.
it is their mess and they need to fix it, but their history of conflict since WW2 suggests that are incapable of doing so
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www.nytimes.com/.../suspicions-run-deep-in-iraq-that-cia-and-the-islamic-state-are-united
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take it easy tiger. I have an opinion which is to support this country and any allies they have and that includes the US.
I dont care for conspiracy theories to be honest, and i'm not sure how you can blame the americans for these animals doing what they are doing. Did they kill all these innocent woman and kids did they.
Each to their own i guess and i have many family members who share your view.
blind support is dangerous. it is actually what these mentals rely on to induce their followers.
just like your view on so called conspiracy theories. you seem to think that because you like them, they must all be good people, again a dangerous mentality. head in the sand stuff. ( yet you happily believe that Scottish referendum was rigged?)
it is not a conspicy theory that the US armed and trained the rebels fighting the Assad regime in syria. It is fact and that is where ISAS has its roots.
nor is it conspiricy theory that the invasion of iraq took a stable dictatorship and left a fractured disorganised country, expecting various religious groups who have been fighting each other for centuries to govern with a commom goal.
if not for the yanks ISAS would not have the organisation or firepower, nor would iraq have been ripe for the picking.
it is their mess and they need to fix it, but their history of conflict since WW2 suggests that are incapable of doing so
that scottish comment was off the cuff and not factual at all as i dont really have any proof.
Most of the conspiracy theories i hear are also non factual. You blokes are as blinded as what you claim i am.
I stand by my comments that regardless what you think they have done, i hope they keep fighting and rid the world of these animals. The world is a better place without these fruitloops running around. Whatever it takes i hope they are destroyed, locally and internationally. Seeing locally aussies trying to fight overseas or supporting that regime over here makes me sick.
Does that not bother Al you seeing them hate all things Australian
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id suggest you read my post with the intent of comprehension.
pretty sure i have made my feelings on the mentals quite clear.
and it is not what i think they have done, but what i know.
coverings your ears and singing "la la la i cant hear you" does not change what is what.
unfortunately you will find that the yanks attempt to rid the world of these animals will be about as successful as it was in ridding the world of communism
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please. What you know. :lol
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You need to brush up on some history, Dan. Al isn't spewing some paranoid internet dribble like what keeps getting copied and pasted on here and I don't think you quite understood what he is saying. The west (the US and its allies) helped create this mess. This is repercussions of the Cold War which is about to heat up again itself. The beginning can be subjective on who you speak to but a good start is the US backing the mujahideen for no other reason than they were fighting the Soviets. This set in a motion a series of events that let to power vacuums and uprisings. Everytime one group rises up the west will back and arm the underdog. Blokes like Bin Laden come directly from these programs.
No one is denying that IS must be stopped but the west and in particular the US must accept responsibility. Whether they are doing so by regularly engaging in the conflict there remains to be seen. At the least this is a sectarian war between the Sunni and Shi'ite muslims which has some pretty dark history on its own (see the Wahhabi movement) and dangerous repercussions alone regarding Saudi Arabia. But the very reason they have been able to get a foothold is due to meddling by the west by playing Game of Thrones in the middle east.
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as with most thinks, dan isnt interested anything that may force him to reassess his views.
and yes dan, it is what i know. these things were regularly reported as they unfolded are can be found on reputable sources now.
just out curiosity what parts do you challenge?
that iraq under saddamm was a stable dictatorship that quelled any threat with brutal efficiency?
that now iraq is a governed by a coalition of religious groups who have long history of conflict and each is as self serving as the other?
that the yanks backed the rebels in syria because they wanted the assad regime gone and that the arming and training of these rebels is what has fuelled this movement for a religious state by ISAS ?
which of these facts do you refuse to believe and why?
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The US have acted like a surgeon going in and cutting out a tumor and not stitching up the wound. Now blood is dripping on their nice new carpet and they need to decide to either stitch up the wound or just replace the carpet.
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Don't forget that these are hardly ground breaking facts, al. I learned about the mujahideen in high school when I took modern history, then more about cold war period middle eastern affairs during a brief stint at TAFE post school.
Every single one of these groups, IS, Al Queda etc were supported, trained and armed in the late 70s/early 80s after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. The groups of insurgents that came Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Syria formed a loose alliance called the mujahideen and the US helped them. There were two major groups, Tehran Eight and Peshawar Seven. Peshawar seven trained in Pakistan and I think Tehran Eight in Iran, both trained and armed by the west and funded by the west. This is fact. It's the same as what we are doing with the Kurds now.
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Just as many Buddhists as Muslims in Australia
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Too many
Stop the boats ffs
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Don't forget that these are hardly ground breaking facts, al. I learned about the mujahideen in high school when I took modern history, then more about cold war period middle eastern affairs during a brief stint at TAFE post school.
Every single one of these groups, IS, Al Queda etc were supported, trained and armed in the late 70s/early 80s after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. The groups of insurgents that came Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Syria formed a loose alliance called the mujahideen and the US helped them. There were two major groups, Tehran Eight and Peshawar Seven. Peshawar seven trained in Pakistan and I think Tehran Eight in Iran, both trained and armed by the west and funded by the west. This is fact. It's the same as what we are doing with the Kurds now.
Yep.
The were 'the good guys' cause it was good for american interess at the time
(http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/Fehr_Oded_Mummy-1-9-10.jpg)
Fighting ze Russians
The enmey of my enemy is my friend
Now Taliban/Isis worst than Hitler
Going to kill ONE Australian and use an iPhone and a black flag to tap it
Omg
Does one Australian die/rape/go missing a day? Goes anyone GAF?
Yes but one killed by a terrorist would be just awful
Had better invade Syria
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Well at least for the time being the US are remaining consistent and not militarily supporting the PKK. (Which means they will get the CIA to help them out ;D)
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CIA bring 35 kilo herion sSydney
http://www.madcowprod.com/2014/09/12/mystery-aircraft-busted-in-australia-was-cia-plane/
I hope we win the war on drugs
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/redirect?to-mobile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2014%2F09%2F23%2Fworld%2Fmiddleeast%2Fas-us-bombs-fall-islamic-states-british-hostage-warns-of-another-vietnam.html%3F_r%3D0%26referrer%3D
Rip to innocent women and children that get bombed today
God speed to the next life
https://mobile.twitter.com/3bdUlkaed6r/status/514226410932940800
sky is full drones over raqqa now
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hows the polls now 65?
you went the early crow buddy and now TA is charging back.
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nothing like a bit of fear mongering to improve a government's standing in the eyes of lowest common denominator.
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What budget?
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Threaten the guy with 3000 nukes - cheak
Invade middle Eastern country - cheak
Spread fear properganda general same old shyte - Cheak
Oh boy , the opinion polls went up.
How coincidental
If only Julia was such a man-of-steel
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That's a shame you feel like that albert about the majority of Australians who are now starting to see sense.
Unlike some i don't vote based on fear, i vote largely on whats on the table and lets be honest the alternative shorton cant run a bordello much like his predecessors.
Gillard great interview last night
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Regardless of you - Albert is completely accurate in regards to the vast majority, of the great unwashed masses of the working class (not that we own or build things anymore
Surely youd agree with that sentiment
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What budget?
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How can you worry about money when this country is at war with PURE EVIL
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Regardless of you - Albert is completely accurate in regards to the vast majority, of the great unwashed masses of the working class (not that we own or build things anymore
Surely youd agree with that sentiment
yes, but its not a vast majority that are now changing their vote to TA because of global uncertainty.
Plenty will yes, agreed, but the majority have already made up their own minds who will they vote for.
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Besides sheltering his kiddy fiddler mates, what has Abbott actually done?
Didn't have the balls to make co-PM Pell face the royal commission person.
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hows the polls now 65?
you went the early crow buddy and now TA is charging back.
Charging back?
The polls show an improvement but I wouldn't call it charging back.
But whatever.
I actually don't vote on fear either, I too vote with what's on the table and on the domestic front which is what impacts on everyone not just a few.
And based on that our current government isn;t doing very well as their budget and our incompetent Treasurer continue to show.
yes, but its not a vast majority that are now changing their vote to TA because of global uncertainty.
On this you are sort of right. I would suggest it's one of the reasons why people won't change their vote if an election was held now but the sentiment is the same. It was one of the reasons why Howard got re-elected after 9/11
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thats a disgrace Dwaino. That pell is as shifty as all stuff.
hasn't Abbott helped stopped the boats or is that a bad thing?
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How it is a disgrace? He redirected funds from the royal commission into child abuse by his church to a more political one, ALP's insulation scheme. If Rudd or Garrett phoned in on Skype for that you would be going off your teets. Don't forget that Tony has also provided a character reference for a convicted pedophile priest. Granted it was before he was convicted and before Tony made PM but just goes to show the company he keeps.
Don't know about the boats, we only have their word :shh
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The institutionilised sexual, physical and mental abuse of vulnerable children by those supposed to be protecting and caring for them in this country is nothing short of vile, but where is the outrage?
where are all the right wing redneck bigots like bolt and his mates as more and more is revealed about the scale of this putrid blight on our society becomes apparent.
but hang on, no political milage to be gained.
one woman a week is beaten to death by their husband/partner, where are the headlines whipping the masses into hysteria.
oops, no one group to blame, no fear to be spread so our "leaders can be seen to be strong without actually doing anything except encroaching on our rights so they can protect us.
gee im glad i live in a civilised society.
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thats a disgrace Dwaino. That pell is as shifty as all stuff.
hasn't Abbott helped stopped the boats or is that a bad thing?
the boats is supposedly one thing they've got right Angus, not that we'd actually know for sure becasue the refuse to give out too much detail. Incompentant minister number 2 = Scott Morrision
And dwaino is correct about the re-direction of funds. To Tony and his govt it is far more important to nail the former govt for whatever they can rather than hold the Catholic church to account for their disgraceful deeds over decades
And as for budgets cuts, not even going to bother going through that again. As I said on the domestic front they are letting people down and breaking promises. The very thing so many people bagged the previous government for
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The institutionilised sexual, physical and mental abuse of vulnerable children by those supposed to be protecting and caring for them in this country is nothing short of vile, but where is the outrage?
where are all the right wing redneck bigots like bolt and his mates as more and more is revealed about the scale of this putrid blight on our society becomes apparent.
but hang on, no political milage to be gained.
one woman a week is beaten to death by their husband/partner, where are the headlines whipping the masses into hysteria.
oops, no one group to blame, no fear to be spread so our "leaders can be seen to be strong without actually doing anything except encroaching on our rights so they can protect us.
gee im glad i live in a civilised society.
pedo is fashionable in the too realms of society
Look into the British developments of late ...
The church often gets bagged but they are the tip of ice burg...
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The institutionilised sexual, physical and mental abuse of vulnerable children by those supposed to be protecting and caring for them in this country is nothing short of vile, but where is the outrage?
where are all the right wing redneck bigots like bolt and his mates as more and more is revealed about the scale of this putrid blight on our society becomes apparent.
but hang on, no political milage to be gained.
one woman a week is beaten to death by their husband/partner, where are the headlines whipping the masses into hysteria.
oops, no one group to blame, no fear to be spread so our "leaders can be seen to be strong without actually doing anything except encroaching on our rights so they can protect us.
gee im glad i live in a civilised society.
very true and an excellent post.
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thats a disgrace Dwaino. That pell is as shifty as all stuff.
hasn't Abbott helped stopped the boats or is that a bad thing?
the boats is supposedly one thing they've got right Angus, not that we'd actually know for sure becasue the refuse to give out too much detail. Incompentant minister number 2 = Scott Morrision
And dwaino is correct about the re-direction of funds. To Tony and his govt it is far more important to nail the former govt for whatever they can rather than hold the Catholic church to account for their disgraceful deeds over decades
And as for budgets cuts, not even going to bother going through that again. As I said on the domestic front they are letting people down and breaking promises. The very thing so many people bagged the previous government for
so what they broke a promise to introduce indexing to pensions.
they broke a promise to introduce the PPl scheme
They broke a promise not to reduce middle class welfare.
they broke a promise not to increase taxes but they applied a levy to those earning over 180k.
There were probably many more , but he had to make those cuts and lies, to fix up the mess of the previous government.
What cuts have actually gone through that your not happy with WP?
As you have said with both parties they all lie to gain a political advantage.
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so what they broke a promise to introduce indexing to pensions.
they broke a promise to introduce the PPl scheme
They broke a promise not to reduce middle class welfare.
they broke a promise not to increase taxes but they applied a levy to those earning over 180k.
There were probably many more , but he had to make those cuts and lies, to fix up the mess of the previous government.
What cuts have actually gone through that your not happy with WP?
As you have said with both parties they all lie to gain a political advantage.
I've made it very clear which "cuts" I have issues with, not going to go through it all again
You were one person on here jumped who up and down when the former govt broke promises but now you are saying it's OK. You justify it by saying hey had to do it? Please. A broken promise is a broken promise it doesn't matter how you "sugar coat" it still remains a broken promise
If it's good enough to whack one side for broken promises, be consistent and whack the other = the current govt
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fair call. Yes your right a broken promise is a broken promise however the ones that TA has made dont look all that bad in fact it reduces middle class welfare and increases taxes for high income earner.
That's a good promise to break IMO unlike our Julia's teams call of no carbon tax and our budge will be in surplus by 2015 rubbish.
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agree Angus
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thats a disgrace Dwaino. That pell is as shifty as all stuff.
hasn't Abbott helped stopped the boats or is that a bad thing?
the boats is supposedly one thing they've got right Angus, not that we'd actually know for sure becasue the refuse to give out too much detail. Incompentant minister number 2 = Scott Morrision
And dwaino is correct about the re-direction of funds. To Tony and his govt it is far more important to nail the former govt for whatever they can rather than hold the Catholic church to account for their disgraceful deeds over decades
And as for budgets cuts, not even going to bother going through that again. As I said on the domestic front they are letting people down and breaking promises. The very thing so many people bagged the previous government for
Incompetant is the wrong word, I think you will find.
Morrison, Tony and the rest of the monkies have the necessary skill, to tell the citizens of Australia, how many women and cchildren are drowning. They choose not to
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268 boats under labour
1 under the LNP.
of course people will look for some conspiracy without acknowledging what a fine job TA has done in this area.
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But at what cost?
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Stop trying to deflect mate take it for what it is
A TA led government has done what no other government has done, including Howard and that is to reduce arrivals to virtually none.
If they didn't reduce the arrivals you would be the first to jump on here and bag the bloke.
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no, howard did the same, and he didnt hide the numbers.
pretty sure there has been more than 1 boat arrival under mr rabbit.
in the whole scheme of things, stopping the boats doesnt achieve much in terms standard of living in the country.
its really just a political side show
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268 boats under labour
1 under the LNP.
of course people will look for some conspiracy without acknowledging what a fine job TA has done in this area.
How do you know its one
If the powers to be have openly said they are not going to say the truth
its not a conspiracy - tony and morrison have said this... if anything you are the conspiracy theorists on this one currently
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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-25/dixon-the-real-motivation-of-terrorists-is-clear/5767690
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/wrongly-identified-terror-suspect-speaks-to-fairfax-media-radio-20140925-10m6oz.html
just sprinkle some crack
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no, howard did the same, and he didnt hide the numbers.
pretty sure there has been more than 1 boat arrival under mr rabbit.
in the whole scheme of things, stopping the boats doesnt achieve much in terms standard of living in the country.
its really just a political side show
Of course there has been more than one. It is just a case of semantics. Now they stop them before they reach our waters and say that they didn't reach Australia, but they are still coming. If they weren't coming then spending millions in Cambodia for a processing center would be a massive waste. Stop the waste.
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no, howard did the same, and he didnt hide the numbers.
pretty sure there has been more than 1 boat arrival under mr rabbit.
in the whole scheme of things, stopping the boats doesnt achieve much in terms standard of living in the country.
its really just a political side show
:clapping
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the best anti terrorist protection in the world at the mcg, tomorrow
wow
good work thank you tony :bow
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it reduces the temptation to enter our shores without the proper medicals and papers. We cant have anyone come here illegally without going through the process like everyone else has done and still are waiting.
Id like to know how many drownings happened under a Gillard led government vrs a Abbott one or doesn't that count either.
I guess it doesnt really make a difference to our standard of living when Abbott done what he set out to do, but if it was Gillard then it most certainly would matter. :shh
I think people let their dislike for Abbott cloud their judgement, much like what i have done with Gillard at times.
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Wed all like to know
But won't be happening thanks to your fascist mates . 88
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it reduces the temptation to enter our shores without the proper medicals and papers. We cant have anyone come here illegally without going through the process like everyone else has done and still are waiting.
IT is not illegal to seek asylum, in fact you cannot seek asylum within your own country. perhaps this is one problem with the system, but then again, when your country is a war torn crap hole, it probably doesnt matter as the logistics of claiming asylum from whithin is pretty messed up. the majority of people who arrive by boat seeking asylum turn out to be legitimate refugees. It is the ones that come in by plane that mostly have their applications rejected.
Id like to know how many drownings happened under a Gillard led government vrs a Abbott one or doesn't that count either.
of course that matters. no is suggesting it doesent. also dont forget it was the rudd that overturned howards policies, which saw an obvious increase in boat arrivals due to policy change.
I guess it doesnt really make a difference to our standard of living when Abbott done what he set out to do, but if it was Gillard then it most certainly would matter. :shh
not sure how you came to that conclusion
I think people let their dislike for Abbott cloud their judgement, much like what i have done with Gillard at times.
thats a fair enough point, because it most definately happens. i make no secret of my dislike for abbot, but my point is this;
if the best thing you can say about a prime minister is that he achieved one thing, which is a fair way down the list of important things that actually affect his subjects' day to day lives, and he has done that by basically putting back into place what a previous government already did, is that really a great achievement?
people post on here that RFC accepts mediocrity, but when it comes to important things, like those governing our lives, we truly have come to accept mediocrity. It is a sad state of affairs when the barrackers of political parties argue not about which party is the best, but which one is the worst, and continually use the wrong doings/incompetence of one side to justify the wrong doings/incompetence of the other.
Politicians of all persuasions treat us with disdain and contempt, and collectively we probably deserve it, because we just accept it, like bleating sheep.
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Muslim women threatened abused on Melbourne streets
Classy
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http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-02/hsbc-judge-approves-1-9b-drug-money-laundering-accord.html
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Mosque overflowing with mourners at that terrorist's funeral today - show of solidarity
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organising a protest now too in response to that terrorist being killed. Going to join them JR?
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Yep wasn'ta ccriminal doing the same crap that happens daily in this country
It was an EVIL terrorist
Proper justification to abuse Muslim ladies or bomb more places
Going to enlist in the army to save Australia tm?
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Can say Im not surprised in the slightest that your peabrain opinion slants this so its everyone else's fault except for that extremist turd.
Yeah JR, wankers plan to stab and behead cops everyday(and almost pull it off). But nah, its all a conspiracy, never happened - the gvt contrived it all just so they could pass terror laws, kid was innocent
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whether deliberate or not, the media reporting on such things only drives hatred, fear, intolerance and division.
are not those who make threats against random people based soley on that person being a Muslim no better than the mentals?
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whether deliberate or not, the media reporting on such things only drives hatred, fear, intolerance and division.
are not those who make threats against random people based soley on that person being a Muslim no better than the mentals?
Of course it's deliberate, the media should have stayed the hell away and allowed the family to grieve and deal with the shock - am not condoning hate mongering or people threatening innocent muslims, that's disgusting redneck behaviour.
Most fair minded people understand that there is a minority extremist element and not all muslims should be tarred with the same brush, but organising a protest in response to this pricks death is not the way to get the message across - unless of course, they want to create more angst, hatred, intolerance etc...
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couldn't agree more
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Government/Media - same stuffn thing.
Get a voice, i say!!
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....get a gun.....
hang on who are those men dressed in black wearing flack jacke
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whether deliberate or not, the media reporting on such things only drives hatred, fear, intolerance and division.
are not those who make threats against random people based soley on that person being a Muslim no better than the mentals?
this is what poos me though AL.
Its not just the media its every day aussies like you or me, who go about their everyday inciting this on social media, which talk about us staying away and its all our fault this small minority are making all muslims look bad.
Every day for the last year i have seem some comment on social media, blasting the west for getting involved which is exactly what is getting these people upset. I do find these same people also have believed in many conspiracies over my life
TM nailed it. Nothing wrong with muslims, they are normal everyday aussies like most of us. Issue i have with them or any race for that matter when they try and push their way is the right way, or try and deflect blame on the west for a foolish kids actions in stabbing an authority. I had an issue with those croats at melb park a few years back who draped themselves in their national flag causing trouble.
whether deliberate or not, the media reporting on such things only drives hatred, fear, intolerance and division.
are not those who make threats against random people based soley on that person being a Muslim no better than the mentals?
Yes, but how old are they. 15,16? At that age just like goodes girl they are just dumb and dont comprehend that they are inciting more hatred and anger.
On the media yes your right. I mean naming the wrong kid was a disgrace and i hope they get their arses sued.
However naming a would be terrorist and telling us the story was the right thing to do. The media are going too far though and should investigate it in their own time not station themsleves outside a mosque. Its not underbelly most of those muslims at the burial are good descent Australians
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Agree that it's not fair to paint all muslims with the same brush (even though I don't agree that any religion has a place in the modern, rational thinking world), but some public education is needed here. It's not the Shi'ites or all of the Sunnis that are causing the problem here. It is the Sunni Salafist jihadists. Sunnis can be loosely compared to catholics, Shi'ites to protestants and Salafism (another name for or very similiar to Wahhabi) is very orthodox and a desire to return to what they believe is traditional islam.
The sunni Salafists don't identify with any sort of country and will never integrate into any society except their own. I don't see why we need to tread on ice when speaking and dealing about these nut jobs. They are dangerous and should just be deported. No question.
As for the media, I wouldn't have given the information the media reported on that kid. They've made a martyr of him and who knows what comes next.
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Agree that it's not fair to paint all muslims with the same brush (even though I don't agree that any religion has a place in the modern, rational thinking world), but some public education is needed here. It's not the Shi'ites or all of the Sunnis that are causing the problem here. It is the Sunni Salafist jihadists. Sunnis can be loosely compared to catholics, Shi'ites to protestants and Salafism (another name for or very similiar to Wahhabi) is very orthodox and a desire to return to what they believe is traditional islam.
The sunni Salafists don't identify with any sort of country and will never integrate into any society except their own. I don't see why we need to tread on ice when speaking and dealing about these nut jobs. They are dangerous and should just be deported. No question.
As for the media, I wouldn't have given the information the media reported on that kid. They've made a martyr of him and who knows what comes next.
but some public education is needed here
Yes.
The blatant omission of such public education is simply the foundation of induced fear.
Tell me they didn't realise this country and the world needed a fair, balanced point of view on a race and religion they have never had contact with.
ffs
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this is what poos me though AL.
Its not just the media its every day aussies like you or me, who go about their everyday inciting this on social media, which talk about us staying away and its all our fault this small minority are making all muslims look bad.
Every day for the last year i have seem some comment on social media, blasting the west for getting involved which is exactly what is getting these people upset. I do find these same people also have believed in many conspiracies over my life
i know you you dont think that that the actions of the west, and in particular the yanks have a bearing on these things but they do, and it is not conspiricy theories, it is known facts. the yanks have a history of helping those that are fighting the percieved enemys of america, only to get the leash themselves. saddam is a prime example. but i digress.
the bottom line is that there are times to back your mates in a fight and there are times to tell them to pull their head in.
surely you can understand that a young man seeing bombs fall on their house and killing his family is more likely to grow up with a hatred for those responsible. this then snow balls. those looking to spread their hatred have ready made recruits, and the more it happens the more it snow balls
when going to war, you have way up all these things, and too often we have been with the yanks when they have dropping bombs that kill civilians in pointless conflicts, when we should have been telling them this isnt a fight worth having.
Yes, but how old are they. 15,16? At that age just like goodes girl they are just dumb and dont comprehend that they are inciting more hatred and anger.
On the media yes your right. I mean naming the wrong kid was a disgrace and i hope they get their arses sued.
However naming a would be terrorist and telling us the story was the right thing to do. The media are going too far though and should investigate it in their own time not station themsleves outside a mosque. Its not underbelly most of those muslims at the burial are good descent Australians
the problem is that it isn't just kids who don't know better. there are those who know exactly what they are doing,
then there are those radicals hoping for that sort of action so they use it themselves to stir the pot, as well as waiting for the ignorant comments from the likes of lambly (however you spell her name) to then incite among the already disenfranchised that australians hate muslims. pick out a couple of red neck social media quotes and you are painting a pretty strong picture for those easily stirred up. they play into each others hands and it escalates, and you can bet you balls it wont be those stirring the pot that directly feel the repurcussions.
it really is easy for a small few to whip up the masess, you only have to look at the australia day crap a few years ago to see that.
in this situation many media outlets ran with headlines such as
"muslim extremest stabs police and is shot"
change that to
"religous extremest stabs police and is shot"
and the story is the same, but the polarising effect is not. it is less likely to stir up angst for both muslims and non muslims for differing reasons.
personally i have no sympathy for the bloke, just as i dont for the countless other people who have met a similar fate when attacking cops, but their religion is never mentioned in the reporting.
what concerns me is that people from both sides of the divide are, and will continue to, use it to promote their own unsavoury agenda.
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Government/Media - same stuffn thing.
Get a voice, i say!!
careful
tm will call you a conspiracy theorist with that kind of language
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in this situation many media outlets ran with headlines such as
"muslim extremest stabs police and is shot"
change that to
"religous extremest stabs police and is shot"
and the story is the same, but the polarising effect is not. it is less likely to stir up angst for both muslims and non muslims for differing reasons.
Funny stuff....while they're hell bent on destruction, people like you worry about sentence construction.
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just kill em all hey coz they are hell bent on destruction.
im sure you just love this stuff as someone who thinks that tolerance is not a good thing?
you going to go out and bash some muslims yourself, or just stir someone else into doing the dirty work for you?
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The public record of violent deaths following the 2003 invasion of Iraq
Documented civilian deaths from violence
130,161 – 145,976
Total violent deaths including combatants
195,000
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/
the facts say its the other side doing the destructing
but that doesnt suit the dominate paradigm so we'll leave that one alone
how bout that crazy terroist from nobel park eh? bloody sand-negros :chuck
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Dicolan doesnt have the gonads to bash Muslims
tm doesnt have the intestinal fortitude to join the army and do Geez work
come on lads
do something
(http://images.theage.com.au/2011/08/17/2563072/kwide-408x264.jpg)
You really do have the brain capacity of a jellyfish
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You see, you are mistaken. I most certainly believe there are "evil terrorists" on the earth, suicidal, extremist Arabs. However I dont believe they are the most evil or dangerous group going around. Not by a long shot.
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Jeffrey Dahmer.
Raped, murdered, disemboweled and ate his victims :P
Even kept body parts as ornaments.
Yet, at worst, he is regarded as a serial killer.
Oh, yes...that's right....he's an American Christian.
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An unprecedented look inside one of the most powerful, secretive institutions in the country. The NY Federal Reserve is supposed to monitor big banks and prevent another financial crisis. But when Carmen Segarra was hired, what she witnessed inside the Fed was so alarming that she bought a tiny recorder, and started secretly taping
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-26/the-secret-goldman-sachs-tapes
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/536/the-secret-recordings-of-carmen-segarra?act=1#play
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/sites/default/files/TAL_536_transcript.pdf
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-07/deeb-the-conquerer-bares-his-soul-before-mama
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-24/occupational-hazards-of-working-on-wall-street
http://www.propublica.org/article/ny-fed-fired-examiner-who-took-on-goldman
The job right from the start seems to have been different from what she had imagined: In meetings, Fed employees would defer to the Goldman people; if one of the Goldman people said something revealing or even alarming, the other Fed employees in the meeting would either ignore or downplay it. For instance, in one meeting a Goldman employee expressed the view that "once clients are wealthy enough certain consumer laws don't apply to them." After that meeting, Segarra turned to a fellow Fed regulator and said how surprised she was by that statement -- to which the regulator replied, "You didn't hear that."
I don't want to spoil the revelations of "This American Life": It's far better to hear the actual sounds on the radio, as so much of the meaning of the piece is in the tones of the voices -- and, especially, in the breathtaking wussiness of the people at the Fed charged with regulating Goldman Sachs. But once you have listened to it -- as when you were faced with the newly unignorable truth of what actually happened to that NFL running back's fiancee in that elevator -- consider the following:
1. You sort of knew that the regulators were more or less controlled by the banks. Now you know.
2. The only reason you know is that one woman, Carmen Segarra, has been brave enough to fight the system. She has paid a great price to inform us all of the obvious. She has lost her job, undermined her career, and will no doubt also endure a lifetime of lawsuits and slander.
http://nypost.com/2014/09/26/tapes-showing-meek-oversight-of-goldman-are-about-to-rock-wall-street/
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Press conference from pentagon, currently live
Pretty much day saying troops going into Syria and Assad gawn
...says something odd about isil will release videos in future "alleging" civilian deaths
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Jeffrey Dahmer.
Raped, murdered, disemboweled and ate his victims :P
Even kept body parts as ornaments.
Yet, at worst, he is regarded as a serial killer.
Oh, yes...that's right....he's an American Christian.
Peter Knight, went to an abortion with the intent of massacring everyone there. shot and murdered an unarmed security guard before being overpowered by a bloke when knight pointed the rifle at his girlfriend.
Psychiatrist Don Sendipathy said Knight interpreted the Bible in his own unique way and believed in his own brand of Christianity.
"You have what are at least strong beliefs to the point of obsession, indeed fanaticism, about certain matters," said Justice Teague. "You are not of weak faith. You know that nobody can do anything to you which has not been permitted by God, for your own eventual good."
yet you have to wade through many reports without one mention of his religious beliefs, while that description above which could apply to any terrorist, is at the crux of his actions.
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i didnt like the piece in todays paper "death stare", page 4 or something . Who knows who that guy is.
Cheap journalism.
Al they are all scum bags and terrorists in my eyes. They are all treated the same in a court of law and shouldnt be given the time of the day, especially ones that attempt to kill our authorities.
In my eyes there is no difference to pedo's and terrorists, however pedo's are allowed to roam free in our society.
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your deep judge, bloody hell. You sure your not my mrs uncle mate in disguise.
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Been a bit slack on my youtube subs lately, just browsing through and found this one and thought it might be relevant. It is a brief and very elementary background on what is happening in the middle east with ISIL and where they came from. This is a quality, objective educational channel on many different topics and worth the sub to increase your IQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQPlREDW-Ro
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May I respectfully ask why the ww2 doco was deleted
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[i]An unprecedented look inside one of the most powerful, secretive institutions in the country. The NY Federal Reserve is supposed to monitor big banks and prevent another financial crisis. But when Carmen Segarra was hired, what she witnessed inside the Fed was so alarming that she bought a tiny recorder, and started secretly taping[/i]
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-26/the-secret-goldman-sachs-tapes
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/536/the-secret-recordings-of-carmen-segarra?act=1#play
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/sites/default/files/TAL_536_transcript.pdf
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-07/deeb-the-conquerer-bares-his-soul-before-mama
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-24/occupational-hazards-of-working-on-wall-street
http://www.propublica.org/article/ny-fed-fired-examiner-who-took-on-goldman
The job right from the start seems to have been different from what she had imagined: In meetings, Fed employees would defer to the Goldman people; if one of the Goldman people said something revealing or even alarming, the other Fed employees in the meeting would either ignore or downplay it. For instance, in one meeting a Goldman employee expressed the view that "once clients are wealthy enough certain consumer laws don't apply to them." After that meeting, Segarra turned to a fellow Fed regulator and said how surprised she was by that statement -- to which the regulator replied, "You didn't hear that."
I don't want to spoil the revelations of "This American Life": It's far better to hear the actual sounds on the radio, as so much of the meaning of the piece is in the tones of the voices -- and, especially, in the breathtaking wussiness of the people at the Fed charged with regulating Goldman Sachs. But once you have listened to it -- as when you were faced with the newly unignorable truth of what actually happened to that NFL running back's fiancee in that elevator -- consider the following:
1. You sort of knew that the regulators were more or less controlled by the banks. Now you know.
2. The only reason you know is that one woman, Carmen Segarra, has been brave enough to fight the system. She has paid a great price to inform us all of the obvious. She has lost her job, undermined her career, and will no doubt also endure a lifetime of lawsuits and slander.
http://nypost.com/2014/09/26/tapes-showing-meek-oversight-of-goldman-are-about-to-rock-wall-street/
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N0R51TS20140904?irpc=932
OP NEWS
UPDATE 3-Big banks must face U.S. swaps price-fixing lawsuit
Thu, Sep 04 16:23 PM EDT
(Adds ISDA and Markit comments, paragraph 9)
By Jonathan Stempel
NEW YORK, Sept 4 (Reuters) - A Manhattan federal judge said on Thursday that investors may pursue a lawsuit accusing 12 major banks of violating antitrust law by fixing prices and restraining competition in the roughly $21 trillion :o market for credit default swaps.
While dismissing part of the case, U.S. District Judge Denise Cote said investors may press claims that the defendants' Sherman Act violations caused them to pay unfair prices on CDS trades from the autumn of 2008 through the end of 2013, even as improved liquidity should have driven costs down.
"The complaint provides a chronology of behavior that would probably not result from chance, coincidence, independent responses to common stimuli, or mere interdependence," Cote said.
The defendants include Bank of America Corp, Barclays Plc, BNP Paribas SA, Citigroup Inc , Credit Suisse Group AG, Deutsche Bank AG , Goldman Sachs Group Inc, HSBC Holdings Plc , JPMorgan Chase & Co, Morgan Stanley, Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc and UBS AG.
Other defendants are the International Swaps and Derivatives Association and Markit Ltd, which provides credit derivative pricing services.
Credit default swaps are contracts that let investors buy protection to hedge against the risk that corporate or sovereign debt issuers will not meet their payment obligations.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/27/goldman-sachs-new-york-fed-carmen-segarra-this-american-life/16338577/
a culture in which regulators were cozy with the banks they worked with and where managers were loath to say or do anything that might upset them.
The tapes, released Friday as part of a joint report by National Public Radio's "This American Life" show and the non-profit investigative journalism organization ProPublica, could lead to Congressional oversight hearings.
"When regulators care more about protecting big banks from accountability than they do about protecting the American people from risky and illegal behavior on Wall Street, it threatens our whole economy," said Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., in a statement posted Saturday on her Facebook page. "We learned this the hard way in 2008. Congress must hold oversight hearings on the disturbing issues raised by (the report) when it returns in November -- because it's our job to make sure our financial regulators are doing their jobs."
Another member of the Senate Banking Committee, Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, has also called for hearings into the allegations, according to Bloomberg.
In one example, the New York Fed team was concerned about a deal Goldman Sachs was doing with a Spanish bank called Banco Santander. Her boss, Michael Silva, termed it "legal but shady."
But before the team met with Goldman Sachs staff, the Fed's staff did not press on the deal. In a discussion afterward, one of the other examiners says on the tape that they didn't want to push the bank too hard. Instead, they could say something like "Don't mistake our inquisitiveness, and our desire to understand more about the marketplace in general, as a criticism of you as a firm necessarily."
Goldman Sachs has denied Segarra's allegations. But on Saturday, the firm changed its policy addressing conflicts of interest to bar investment bankers from trading individual stocks and bonds, Bloomberg reported based on a knowledgeable source.
In a statement released Saturday, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said it "categorically rejects the allegations being made about the integrity of its supervision of financial institutions."
It went on to say "examiners are encouraged to speak up and escalate any concerns they may have regarding the New York Fed or the institutions that we supervise."
Segarra was fired after seven months on the job, she claims because she wouldn't go along with the status quo -- and because she wouldn't back down from her assertion that Goldman Sachs didn't have a policy for dealing with conflicts of interest.
She then sued, saying she was being retaliated against for her negative findings against Goldman Sachs. The case was thrown out of court last year when the judge said the facts didn't fit the statute Segarra had sued under.
Her hiring came about in part because of a report written by a David Beim, a former Wall Street banker himself, who was hired as an independent investigator by the New York Fed to look at whether the regulatory agency was neutral and objective.
His 2009 report found exactly the same failings the Segarra tapes show.
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/26/6849287/federal-reserve-fed-goldman-sachs-this-american-life-carmen-segarra
The scandal is less about Goldman's behavior and more about the Fed's inability or unwillingness to uphold the rule of law. Reasonable people can debate whether specific regulations are necessary, but even the best set of rules is totally insufficient if paired with an enforcement system that applies them inconsistently or not at all. Fair and consistent application of regulations is a prerequisite for having a regulatory regime of any kind. When regulators act the way the TAL/ProPublica report show New York Fed regulators acting, it suggests that we need to reform or revamp regulatory institutions before we can expect any new rules they're charged with enforcing to do much of anything.
http://www.propublica.org/article/carmen-segarras-secret-recordings-from-inside-new-york-fed
So is the tension. Segarra is in Silva's small office at Goldman Sachs with his deputy. The two are trying to persuade her to change her view about Goldman's conflicts policy.
"You have to come off the view that Goldman doesn't have any kind of conflict-of- interest policy," are the first words Silva says to her. Fed officials didn't believe her conclusion — that Goldman lacked a policy — was "credible."
Segarra tells him she has been writing bank compliance policies for a living since she graduated from law school in 1998. She has asked Goldman for the bank's policies, and what they provided did not comply with Fed guidance.
"I'm going to lose this entire case," Silva says, "because of your fixation on whether they do or don't have a policy. Why can't we just say they have basic pieces of a policy but they have to dramatically improve it?"
It's not like Goldman doesn't know what an adequate policy contains, she says. They have proper policies in other areas.
"But can't we say they have a policy?" Silva says, a question he asks repeatedly in various forms during the meeting.
Segarra offers to meet with anyone to go over the evidence collected from dozens of meetings and hundreds of documents. She says it's OK if higher-ups want to change her conclusions after she submits them.
But Silva says the lawyers at the Fed have determined Goldman has a policy. As a comparison, he brings up the Santander deal. He had thought the deal was improper, but the general counsel reined him in.
"I lost the Santander transaction in large part because I insisted that it was fraudulent, which they insisted is patently absurd," Silva said, "and as a result of that, I didn't get taken seriously."
Now, the same thing was happening with conflicts, he said.
A week later, Silva called Segarra into a conference room and fired her. The New York Fed, he told Segarra, who was recording the conversation, had "lost confidence in [her] ability to not substitute [her] own judgment for everyone else's."
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Judge
Do you ever wonder how many people see these posts and just don't read them.
You could try to be a little brief in future.
:cheers
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An 8 month investigation helped find this latest bloke from seabrook.
This would be an investigation led by the FBI. :thumbsup
Well done lads but hey who needs the americans right in our local community.
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Nah Angus, no such thing as extremists in australia, all just Abbott propaganda according to our very own conspiracy theorist JR
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im tipping they are frantically trying to find some more links or videos
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An 8 month investigation helped find this latest bloke from seabrook.
This would be an investigation led by the FBI. :thumbsup
Well done lads but hey who needs the americans right in our local community.
Understand your point Angus, but please don't disregard our Fed Police and intelligent agency, they do a fantastic job and they would have lead this investigation and worked with the FBI
As I said FBI would be involved but they work with our groups just want to acknowledge that :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Nah Angus, no such thing as extremists in australia, all just Abbott propaganda according to our very own conspiracy theorist JR
did i say that ?
if you re-read you will find i said something along the lines of
- people shoot / stab cops in australia [why is a police life worth more than a non police life? personally i respectfully disagree with this law]
- people get raped in australia
- people go missing regularly in australia
- people walk infront of trains a hell of alot than what the MSM reports
when it happens to be an arab. the media makes sure we know - end of the world / be alert not alarm
i cant remember the media saying
"Adrian Ernest Bayley, protestant, white, British background, killer of Jill Meagher, " today unsuccessfully appealed his 35-year minimum ...
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May I respectfully ask why the ww2 doco was deleted
Just a wild stab in the dark, but did you include a link?
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- people shoot / stab cops in australia [why is a police life worth more than a non police life? personally i respectfully disagree with this law]
And please tell me where does it say in the laws of this country that the punishment for killing a police officer is greater than killing any other citizen?
Last time I checked it doesn't so what are you talking about?
Regarding media coverage of such events ever thought maybe it's because the police try to protect us, the public and that they risk their lives everyday. Could even argue moreso now with all this craziness going on
As for why was you post removed - I didn't remove it but having sat through a few mins of it; right call was made.
Sad that you have to even ask TBH
All for folks having causes and things they passionately believe in but lines need to be drawn at some point especially when it's sole purpose appears to be to offend people which is what that ridiculous doco is about
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inb4 free speech rant
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http://i.imgur.com/ZutBLp0.jpg
pic too large, causing server issues
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Rolling warrants to hold suspects in custody based on nothing but circumstantial evidence for indefinite periods of time and warrants to monitor activity and seize internet records ready exist. ASIO already monitor all internet traffic without warrants using algorithms. In fact, look up the wrong stuff too long and you receive a cease and desist letter. Just carry on, if you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
If it really bothers you connect to a Russian VPN.
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Rolling warrants to hold suspects in custody based on nothing but circumstantial evidence for indefinite periods of time and warrants to monitor activity and seize internet records ready exist. ASIO already monitor all internet traffic without warrants using algorithms. In fact, look up the wrong stuff too long and you receive a cease and desist letter. Just carry on, if you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
If it really bothers you connect to a Russian VPN.
I read this one. I thought it was quite well worded.
I am going to base my argument on a more philosophical level on what this does to us as a society. I probably wont change your view, but I will give you another perspective on the matter.
The whole thing is unsettling, the government knowing everything about you from what you watch on T.V. to what you purchase online, to what porn gets you off and everything in between. Even your personal emails.. Don't you find that a bit jarring? It all reeks of 1984, when you have the government monitoring your every move.
There is a duality in the whole thing: on one end, society can feel a little safer knowing that the government, through this kind of surveillance, can stop a bombing and save hundreds of people. On the other end of the spectrum; This type of surveillance can also EASILY be used to control society.
Thinking in hypotheticals; What if the government decided to implement a curfew? No one outside past 10 pm unless they have legal documentation stating they are allowed to do so. The people don't like this, they want to protest or form some sort of activist group against this curfew. How are you going to organize that? Through digital devices, which the government monitors, and next thing you know, your activist group is all thrown in jail for conspiring against the government.
When you think about the bigger picture of it all, and what this type of authority could eventually become it kind of makes it seem more disturbing.
this too
I live in a country generally assumed to be a dictatorship. One of the Arab spring countries. I have lived through curfews and have seen the outcomes of the sort of surveillance now being revealed in the US. People here talking about curfews aren't realizing what that actually FEELS like. It isn't about having to go inside, and the practicality of that. It's about creating the feeling that everyone, everything is watching. A few points:
1) the purpose of this surveillance from the governments point of view is to control enemies of the state. Not terrorists. People who are coalescing around ideas that would destabilize the status quo. These could be religious ideas. These could be groups like anon who are too good with tech for the governments liking. It makes it very easy to know who these people are. It also makes it very simple to control these people.
Lets say you are a college student and you get in with some people who want to stop farming practices that hurt animals. So you make a plan and go to protest these practices. You get there, and wow, the protest is huge. You never expected this, you were just goofing off. Well now everyone who was there is suspect. Even though you technically had the right to protest, you're now considered a dangerous person.
With this tech in place, the government doesn't have to put you in jail. They can do something more sinister. They can just email you a sexy picture you took with a girlfriend. Or they can email you a note saying that they can prove your dad is cheating on his taxes. Or they can threaten to get your dad fired. All you have to do, the email says, is help them catch your friends in the group. You have to report back every week, or you dad might lose his job. So you do. You turn in your friends and even though they try to keep meetings off grid, you're reporting on them to protect your dad.
2) Let's say number one goes on. The country is a weird place now. Really weird. Pretty soon, a movement springs up like occupy, except its bigger this time. People are really serious, and they are saying they want a government without this power. I guess people are realizing that it is a serious deal. You see on the news that tear gas was fired. Your friend calls you, frantic. They're shooting people. Oh my god. you never signed up for this. You say, stuff it. My dad might lose his job but I won't be responsible for anyone dying. That's going too far. You refuse to report anymore. You just stop going to meetings. You stay at home, and try not to watch the news. Three days later, police come to your door and arrest you. They confiscate your computer and phones, and they beat you up a bit. No one can help you so they all just sit quietly. They know if they say anything they're next. This happened in the country I live in. It is not a joke.
3) Its hard to say how long you were in there. What you saw was horrible. Most of the time, you only heard screams. People begging to be killed. Noises you've never heard before. You, you were lucky. You got kicked every day when they threw your moldy food at you, but no one shocked you. No one used sexual violence on you, at least that you remember. There were some times they gave you pills, and you can't say for sure what happened then. To be honest, sometimes the pills were the best part of your day, because at least then you didn't feel anything. You have scars on you from the way you were treated. You learn in prison that torture is now common. But everyone who uploads videos or pictures of this torture is labeled a leaker. Its considered a threat to national security. Pretty soon, a cut you got on your leg is looking really bad. You think it's infected. There were no doctors in prison, and it was so overcrowded, who knows what got in the cut. You go to the doctor, but he refuses to see you. He knows if he does the government can see the records that he treated you. Even you calling his office prompts a visit from the local police.
You decide to go home and see your parents. Maybe they can help. This leg is getting really bad. You get to their house. They aren't home. You can't reach them no matter how hard you try. A neighbor pulls you aside, and he quickly tells you they were arrested three weeks ago and haven't been seen since. You vaguely remember mentioning to them on the phone you were going to that protest. Even your little brother isn't there.
4) Is this even really happening? You look at the news. Sports scores. Celebrity news. It's like nothing is wrong. What the hell is going on? A stranger smirks at you reading the paper. You lose it. You shout at him "stuff you dude what are you laughing at can't you see I've got a stuffing wound on my leg?"
"Sorry," he says. "I just didn't know anyone read the news anymore." There haven't been any real journalists for months. They're all in jail.
Everyone walking around is scared. They can't talk to anyone else because they don't know who is reporting for the government. Hell, at one time YOU were reporting for the government. Maybe they just want their kid to get through school. Maybe they want to keep their job. Maybe they're sick and want to be able to visit the doctor. It's always a simple reason. Good people always do bad things for simple reasons.
You want to protest. You want your family back. You need help for your leg. This is way beyond anything you ever wanted. It started because you just wanted to see fair treatment in farms. Now you're basically considered a terrorist, and everyone around you might be reporting on you. You definitely can't use a phone or email. You can't get a job. You can't even trust people face to face anymore. On every corner, there are people with guns. They are as scared as you are. They just don't want to lose their jobs. They don't want to be labeled as traitors.
This all happened in the country where I live.
You want to know why revolutions happen? Because little by little by little things get worse and worse. But this thing that is happening now is big. This is the key ingredient. This allows them to know everything they need to know to accomplish the above. The fact that they are doing it is proof that they are the sort of people who might use it in the way I described. In the country I live in, they also claimed it was for the safety of the people. Same in Soviet Russia. Same in East Germany. In fact, that is always the excuse that is used to surveil everyone. But it has never ONCE proven to be the reality.
Maybe Obama won't do it. Maybe the next guy won't, or the one after him. Maybe this story isn't about you. Maybe it happens 10 or 20 years from now, when a big war is happening, or after another big attack. Maybe it's about your daughter or your son. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that right now, in this moment we have a choice. Are we okay with this, or not? Do we want this power to exist, or not?
You know for me, the reason I'm upset is that I grew up in school saying the pledge of allegiance. I was taught that the United States meant "liberty and justice for all." You get older, you learn that in this country we define that phrase based on the constitution. That's what tells us what liberty is and what justice is. Well, the government just violated that ideal. So if they aren't standing for liberty and justice anymore, what are they standing for? Safety?
Ask yourself a question. In the story I told above, does anyone sound safe?
I didn't make anything up. These things happened to people I know. We used to think it couldn't happen in America. But guess what? It's starting to happen.
I actually get really upset when people say "I don't have anything to hide. Let them read everything." People saying that have no idea what they are bringing down on their own heads. They are naive, and we need to listen to people in other countries who are clearly telling us that this is a horrible horrible sign and it is time to stand up and say no.
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Rolling warrants to hold suspects in custody based on nothing but circumstantial evidence for indefinite periods of time and warrants to monitor activity and seize internet records ready exist. ASIO already monitor all internet traffic without warrants using algorithms. In fact, look up the wrong stuff too long and you receive a cease and desist letter. Just carry on, if you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
If it really bothers you connect to a Russian VPN.
Dwaino, Will looking at dwarf porn be an issue with the way things are going ?
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Rolling warrants to hold suspects in custody based on nothing but circumstantial evidence for indefinite periods of time and warrants to monitor activity and seize internet records ready exist. ASIO already monitor all internet traffic without warrants using algorithms. In fact, look up the wrong stuff too long and you receive a cease and desist letter. Just carry on, if you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
If it really bothers you connect to a Russian VPN.
Dwaino, Will looking at dwarf porn be an issue with the way things are going ?
As long as they're not gay or on boats I think you're right there, chuck.
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:phew
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:lol
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Thanks for clearing that up :thumbsup
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-30/another-conspiracy-theory-becomes-fact-feds-stealth-bailout-foreign-banks-goes-mains
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abc.com.au
lamic State: Australian refuelling, surveillance planes join campaign against militant group in Iraq
Updated 27 minutes agoWed 1 Oct 2014, 4:38pm
E-7A Wedgetail aircraft
PHOTO: An RAAF E-7A Wedgetail airborne early warning and control aircraft will support international forces. (Australian Defence Force)
RELATED STORY: Meeting on Iraq involvement expected within days: BishopRELATED STORY: Kurds backed by air strikes reclaim territory from IS
MAP: Australia
Australian refuelling and surveillance planes will today start flying over Iraq in support of the international coalition battling Islamic State (IS) militants, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says.
But Mr Abbott has told Parliament there is yet to be a decision made on when to commit Australian combat aircraft to the fight against what he says is an "apocalyptic death cult".
Australia last month sent 600 military personnel and eight F/A-18F Super Hornet fighter jets to the United Arab Emirates in preparation for joining the attack on IS targets in Iraq.
"We have not yet made a final decision to commit our forces to combat but Australian aircraft from today will start flying over Iraq in support of allied operations," Mr Abbott told Question Time this afternoon.
"Ours are support operations, not strike missions.
"Australian air strikes await final clearances from the Iraqi government and a further decision by our own. But from today our refueller and our Wedgetail [surveillance aircraft] will operate over Iraq in support of US and other coalition aircraft."
Mr Abbott says the Government is yet to make a final decision on committing forces to combat. Have your say.
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said the Defence Force has Labor's support for the "humanitarian mission".
"Labor's taken a strong interest in ensuring that Australia meets its international legal and diplomatic obligations and in guaranteeing that the appropriate force protection measures are in place for Australians serving in the region," Mr Shorten said.
"This is part of Australia's responsibilities as a good international citizen as well as providing important legal protections for our Defence personnel."
Earlier this week Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop signalled a decision on whether or not to join combat missions against IS was imminent.
She said Australian forces would focus on the fight against IS militants in Iraq and not join US strikes in Syria.
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ABC radio
500 million o foreign aid
To be put towards terrorism
Wanker
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any body with a burka at question time in parliment
needs to sit behind glass
as opposed to non muslims who can watch without glass
LOL
(http://www.myjewishlearning.com/images/legacy/193339_files/image002.jpg)
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Zl8opCLQJeM/VCSy7CkpocI/AAAAAAAAARs/2jl5BEp5xmE/s593-no/ASIO.jpg
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http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/01/hong-kong-s-occupy-central-is-us-backed-sedition/
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- people shoot / stab cops in australia [why is a police life worth more than a non police life? personally i respectfully disagree with this law]
And please tell me where does it say in the laws of this country that the punishment for killing a police officer is greater than killing any other citizen?
Last time I checked it doesn't so what are you talking about?
Regarding media coverage of such events ever thought maybe it's because the police try to protect us, the public and that they risk their lives everyday. Could even argue moreso now with all this craziness going on
As for why was you post removed - I didn't remove it but having sat through a few mins of it; right call was made.
Sad that you have to even ask TBH
All for folks having causes and things they passionately believe in but lines need to be drawn at some point especially when it's sole purpose appears to be to offend people which is what that ridiculous doco is about
(http://i.imgur.com/ScI9c8K.png)
From:
http://i.imgur.com/ScI9c8K.png
See it isn't hard :banghead :banghead
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And what if I told you that if you don't provide the appropriate link to you most recent post then it will (AGAIN) be removed.
They are not your words, they are someone else's so therefore you must reference appropriately, as a Uni student would think you'd know the drill ::)
Seriously, which part of providing an appropriate link do you not understand exactly?
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You want every meme that's gone viral to be sourced?
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You want every meme that's gone viral to be sourced?
Don't care if it's gone viral that's not the point. They are some one else's words, so you reference it properly
They are the rules of the site, follow them! End of story
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So if u / i don't know who originally said the quote that is very relevant, I am not allowed to use it. Correct?
Do you not feel this is insane?
Edit: my guess is the dude in the picture
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So if u / i don't know who originally said the quote that is very relevant, I am not allowed to use it. Correct?
Do you not feel this is insane?
Edit: my guess is the dude in the picture
No I don't feel this is insane
You're constant refusal to follow basic rules and arguing points is tiresome and....driving me insane
Are you unable to post the link where you got the pic from?
How bloody hard is that?
Not very I would have thought. A link, that's all you need to add
As for being relevant, you may think it is, I reckon just more nonsense that you appear to seduced by...but anyway
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Pg13, the Robbo-hun
Bolt (andrew)
Islam violence (big, scary font heading)
Hitler pictures
Arab pictures
:clapping
didnt read the words but i beat they were sterling :clapping
(http://derpy.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/134807984796.jpg)
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http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwars.php
All wars are due to bankers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4
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four corners Judge.
Nicely produced by yourself mate.
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- people shoot / stab cops in australia [why is a police life worth more than a non police life? personally i respectfully disagree with this law]
And please tell me where does it say in the laws of this country that the punishment for killing a police officer is greater than killing any other citizen?
It is definetly either
a) a law in Melbourne and/or Australia
b) proposed by high ups as a new law in Melbourne and/or Australia
I cannot research as i will be on the list.
Last time I checked it doesn't so what are you talking about?
It is definetly either
a) a law in Melbourne and/or Australia
b) proposed by high ups as a new law in Melbourne and/or Australia
Regarding media coverage of such events ever thought maybe it's because the police try to protect us, the public and that they risk their lives everyday. Could even argue moreso now with all this craziness going on
As for why was you post removed - I didn't remove it but having sat through a few mins of it; right call was made.
Sadley I have not had the six hour block to enjoy this documentary in regards to World War 2, as of yet. But given the WP movie review, I will save my self the trouble!
Thank you kind sir.
Sad that you have to even ask TBH
May I ask as to why you agree, the film should not be allowed to be shown specifcally;
ie. was it factual incorrect, if so, what facts?
thank you
From reading the reviews - I find some fasinating new things in regards to this period of history, I did not know, and are in fact true.
Such as their were islamic ss. Also - that ts of Fascism in Birkenau, as the memorial was originally called,occurred in 1967 with approximately 200,000 people in attendance. Polish state officials, prisoners' organizations from many countries,the Israeli welfare minister, the East German and Italian foreign ministers, and numerous ambassadors and journalists were present. The memorial, too, has changed throughout the years. The plaques indicating that "4 million people" were killed at Auschwitz were removed in 1990. They were replaced with plaques stating the more accurate figure of “one and a half million.”], after it was blessed by the pope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/museum/memorials/auschBirkMem/
I would like to know why these facts are better to remain hidden my dear Tzar.
All for folks having causes and things they passionately believe in but lines need to be drawn at some point especially when it's sole purpose appears to be to offend people which is what that ridiculous doco is about
Is it your opinion (from the two mins watched] that they doco sole purpose appears to be to offend people?
which is what that ridiculous doco is about
Oh, i assume it is.
Thank you for not banning the war/bankers doco :thumbsup
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Good cartoon in the hearld sun as perusual with the crusades aanalogy
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Just over yonda hill is thee evil sand negros. In the name of pope urban we shall smite their infidal souls
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Basilica rules
:cheers
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/peta-credlin-establishes-womenonly-network-to-support-government-staffers-20141020-118vhs.html
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Australia.
Sep 12: 'Terror Alert' raised to 'High' ('attack likely').
Sep 18: Mass 'terror raids' conducted across Brisbane and Sydney.
Sep 22: Prime Minister Tony Abbott's Stasi speech to parliament.
Sep 23: Police in Melbourne's south-east allegedly attacked by lone knifeman.
Sep 25: 'National Security Legislation Amendment Bill (No. 1) 2014' passes Senate.
Australia has a massive, 800 officer "terrorist" police sting. Captures man with plastic sword. Seventeen year old attacks police, gets shot and killed and labelled a terrorist even though evidence suggests he didn't even understand what he was doing and had mental issues. A week later new laws are passed that allow the Australian government more surveillance power over its citizens in the name of protecting us from "terrorists".
A couple of weeks later, Canada has a "terrorist" attack and kill a man and then is shot dead himself. Canada's Prime Minister announces new "anti-terrorist" laws that will restrict the basic freedoms of its citizens.
Stephen Harper and Tony Abbott had a nice buddy-buddy chat a few weeks before all of this
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I'd vote for her. I think Tony's days are numbered.
:cheers
'I want her to be PM for 10 years': Christopher Pyne slips up while playing down Julie Bishop as potential leader
Political News Date October 24, 2014 - 8:40AM National political reporter
Latika Bourke
Cabinet Minister Christopher Pyne has tried to hose down praise of his colleague Julie Bishop as a potential Liberal party leader but accidentally bungled his defence of Prime Minister Tony Abbott in the process.
Mr Pyne was asked about Fairfax Media's report of the Liberal MP Teresa Gambaro privately spruiking Ms Bishop as a future Prime Minister, during his regular appearance on the Nine network's Today Show.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/i-want-her-to-be-pm-for-10-years-christopher-pyne-slips-up-while-playing-down-julie-bishop-as-potential-leader-20141024-11ax6k.html#ixzz3H0mQbOem
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ddeb8f78-6e0c-11e4-8f96-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3JMWx8OXD
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ddeb8f78-6e0c-11e4-8f96-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3JMWx8OXD
Will just mean the gap between the rich and the poor will get bigger.
:banghead
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That's the plan
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Tony telling the French commie pm
How good the ten bbillion bob brown bank
I thought he was getting rid of it bedore election
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Pauline Hanson is back
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Even Andrew Bolt thinks Abbott is on the nose.
The Abbott Government must now change or die
By Andrew Bolt
November 18 2014 (8:59am)
The Abbott Government falls further behind in Newspoll:
In two-party-preferred terms, based on preference flows from last year’s election, Labor leads by 55 per cent to 45 per cent. The ALP’s third consecutive rise in two-party terms means the opposition has been in front of the Coalition on this measure for 14 successive Newspolls.
I still believe this overstates the margin, and the reality is somewhere between Newspoll and Essential Media’s 48 to 52 per cent. But there is no disputing the Government has a serious problem.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_abbott_government_must_now_change_or_die/?utm_source=PoliticOz&utm_campaign=e0e79c52dc-PoliticOZ_18_November_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_673b6b002d-e0e79c52dc-302698945&nk=f264d98358323b73e9420e8ee780dda2#.VGqo_R805Mg.twitter
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Right wing Niki Savva from The Australian on Insiders re Abbott promising no cuts to the ABC.
"He lied but they (the Libs) made it worse this week by lying about the lie."
At about the 39 min mark.
http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2014/s4134272.htm
Forget the issue the lie is the thing, it cost Nixon the presidency.
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Anyone care to predict the winning party for the Vic State election on Sat and also the margin?
Current seats
Lib/Nat: 47
ALP: 40
Ind: 1
Total: 88
45 forms govt.
Closest to will win the title of 'OER's Chief Political Expert' until the next fed election in 2 years time.
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44 ALP
40 LNP
4 independant.
So looking forward to this election. These guys and our local councillors richly deserve every penny they get, they work so hard
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Right wing Niki Savva from The Australian on Insiders re Abbott promising no cuts to the ABC.
"He lied but they (the Libs) made it worse this week by lying about the lie."
At about the 39 min mark.
http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2014/s4134272.htm
Forget the issue the lie is the thing, it cost Nixon the presidency.
Nope
It was the 'anti-Semitic remarks'
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46 ALP
39 LNP
3 independant.
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44 ALP
41 LNP
3 IND
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Neo-Con-Artists - WGAF
Lefties - IDGAF
Noddys - GAGF
So looking forward to this election. These guys and our local councillors richly deserve every penny they get, they work so hard
You get lost on the way to the jokes thread?
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Neo-Con-Artists - WGAF
Lefties - IDGAF
Noddys - GAGF
ha, its a bit like that - for the first time ever I am seriously thinking of a non vote - politics has sunk to new lows in recent times which is unbelievable given the base they are measured off
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Unite working class
Rise up
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The backbenchers are starting to revolt.
Only a matter of time now for Tony A.
Stop using verbal gymnastics over ABC cuts, backbencher urges PM
Date November 25, 2014
Latika Bourke
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has denied using "verbal gymnastics" over cuts to the ABC after one of his own MPs urged him to call a spade a spade and stop denying the government had broken its election promise.
Liberal MP Craig Laundy, who is well respected by his colleagues, raised the issue in the partyroom on Tuesday, several sources told Fairfax Media, on the condition of anonymity because they are not allowed to publicly comment on what takes place.
But in an encounter closely watched by MPs, Mr Abbott told his backbencher that he'd never said the ABC would be exempt from an efficiency dividend.
One MP said it was taken very badly by many Liberals who worry the Prime Minister is losing touch and refusing to listen to his backbench.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/stop-using-verbal-gymnastics-over-abc-cuts-backbencher-urges-pm-20141125-11te9s.html
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Just ban the ABC ffs
Socialist dogs
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Abbott is in trouble.
Conservative commentators Bolt, Jones and Albrechtsen turn on Abbott
Date November 28, 2014
Lisa Cox
National political reporter
Conservative commentators appear to be growing increasingly frustrated with the Abbott government, as it struggles to present a coherent message leading into the final parliamentary sitting week for the year.
The Prime Minister said this week he wanted to clear a few policy "barnacles", but by the end of the week it remained unclear which barnacles he was speaking of.
It was a difficult week for the government, which faced criticism over mixed messages about the future of its GP co-payment, its broken promise not to cut the ABC or SBS and comments from the Defence Minister mocking the government shipbuilder.
Janet Albrechtsen, Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt are among the prominent conservative voices to criticise the Abbott government this week for its struggles. All three commentators were among conservative supporters of Tony Abbott who were invited to Kirribilli House last year for a private function.
But in light of the government's difficulties they have switched their aim.
"Another week. Another wasted opportunity by the Abbott government to score a political win. And another reminder of one of the simplest lessons in politics and life: respect is a two-way street. On that critical front, the Abbott government has failed time and again," Albrechtsen wrote in her column for The Australian on Tuesday.
"What should have been an effortless political win this week turned into yet another political disaster.
"But instead of working through that initial error, the government played condescending word games."
On Thursday, Bolt wrote for News Corporation that the government was making "the same blunders that killed Julia Gillard" when it came to the ABC.
"What is so frustrating for those who wish Abbott well is that this disaster was utterly predictable - and, indeed, predicted," Bolt wrote.
"In April, even though it killed me, I warned through gritted teeth that the government should honour its promise to the ABC."
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Funny Abbott has been kept off the campaign trail in Vic. "Electoral Poison" apparently....
Anyone else hear during the week that the Fed budget is expected to blow out by multiple Billion dollars?
At least when the Libs in the 90s and 00s screwed the populous they more or less balanced the books......
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Funny Abbott has been kept off the campaign trail in Vic. "Electoral Poison" apparently....
Anyone else hear during the week that the Fed budget is expected to blow out by multiple Billion dollars?
At least when the Libs in the 90s and 00s screwed the populous they more or less balanced the books......
That was last week. Price of iron ore has dropped which the government sweated on and Sloppy Joe's predicted $27b deficit should now blow out to a $50b black hole. I thought '65 would have been all over that one but it's really too early to actually say until the figures are in.
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The economy shall crumble as the rich don't pay tax and the federal reserve is of private ownership
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The Australian federal reserve is not of private ownership!
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I've not fully researched the Australian one as if yet
But the American is...
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The Australian federal reserve is not of private ownership!
Who owns the 70%+
Who Owns Our Debt?
barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/who-owns-our-debt/
They've been arguing about the public debt – the amount the federal government owes (mainly to ... 73.44% of Commonwealth debt is owned by “Other"
:whistle
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lol debt is who they owe money to, that is not ownership of the bank. the reserve bank is an aust govt intitution and no person on the board can be affiliated with an institution that takes and hold monetary deposits.
australian fed is set up comletely different to the seppos.
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wtf are you on about?
australian reserve bank or yank fed reserve?
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illumanati reserve
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illumanati reserve
No treason essay: http://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm there is a lot of into floating around if you are interested enough. Have you looked?
Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK bruth? That's a fair question :gotigers
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Election closest to the pin selections so far.
Anyone else feel free to add your prediction. Competition closes at 6pm
Angus:-
44 ALP
40 LNP
4 independant.
Dooks:-
46 ALP
39 LNP
3 independant.
Tony M
44 ALP
41 LNP
3 IND
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I'll go for the landslide anti-Abbott vote
50 ALP
37 LNP
1 independent.
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NIL all draw
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NIL all draw
Heaven help us if we have another minority government.
:help
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I'll go for the landslide anti-Abbott vote
50 ALP
37 LNP
1 independent.
Not beyond the realms of happening. Would be nice actually. Might moderate the Federal Libs into a few more back flips before they are destroyed in 2 years time.
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NIL all draw
I'll take that as a 44 to 44 seat vote
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UPDATE
Election closest to the pin selections so far.
Anyone else feel free to add your prediction. Competition closes at 6pm
Angus:-
44 ALP
40 LNP
4 independant.
Dooks:-
46 ALP
39 LNP
3 independant.
Tony M
44 ALP
41 LNP
3 IND
65:-
ALP 50
LNP 37
IND 1
Giganator:-
ALP 44
LNP 44
IND 0
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/emily-thornberrys-tweet-and-the-phenomenon-that-threatens-to-tear-the-eu-apart/story-fni0xs61-1227138849810 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/emily-thornberrys-tweet-and-the-phenomenon-that-threatens-to-tear-the-eu-apart/story-fni0xs61-1227138849810)
Found this an interesting read..
Emily Thornberry’s tweet and the phenomenon that threatens to tear the EU apart
Charles Miranda in London
News Corp Australia Network
November 28, 2014 10:00PM
ON the face of it, it appeared a fairly innocuous tweet.
The image posted on social media last week featured the British St George Cross flag flapping from the guttering of a nondescript suburban home with a white van parked in the driveway.
But the fury the image caused, not least of all directed at its sender, Labour’s now ex-shadow attorney-general Emily Thornberry, is perhaps a symptom of a broader phenomenon that today threatens to tear the European Union apart.
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it seems people world wide aren't happy with their politics or politicians...what is it that we want from our governments if in fact we want to be goverened
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how about governments that actually govern for the people that elects them rather rather than treating their continuants with arrogant contempt while pandering to wishes of their corporate masters or pushing their own dogmatic idealistic views.
The electoral system has gone from a system where people vote in who they think will be best for them, based on localised intimate knowledg to one that rewards the politicians who can best spin their lies and deceit to convince the voters to vote for them, or as often as not, to not vote for their opponent.
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Reckon the anti Tony vote is going to be bigger than the experts think.
Throw in that Dr Napthine is not exactly a charismatic leader then I reckon the LNP are goneskis
ALP 47
LNP 39
IND 2
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What do people want?
Honesty, equality and equal opportunity. Long term plans to advance our position on this planet as we head deep into the 21st century. For the people.
A child born today should be able to be fully supported by a system that enables him/her to learn, flourish, thrive and contribute back to society in any reasonable way that individual wants to.
Instead we have a system geared towards broader power and economic greed for the top 10% with usually secondary concerns for education, scientific advancement, health and opportunity unless it's a short term vote winner.
What dont people want?
Dishonesty. Short termers trying to get into and stay in power for self benefit.
Politics has gotten worse over the last 25 years just that Australia has had a good run with general standards of living. When you have a very extreme form of capitalism driving the world you get extreme capitalistic priorities with the way it's run.
Or maybe I'm just overestimating the electorate
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UPDATE
Election closest to the pin selections so far.
Anyone else feel free to add your prediction. Competition closes at 6pm
Angus:-
44 ALP
40 LNP
4 independant.
Dooks:-
46 ALP
39 LNP
3 independant.
Tony M
44 ALP
41 LNP
3 IND
65:-
ALP 50
LNP 37
IND 1
Giganator:-
ALP 44
LNP 44
IND 0
WP:-
ALP 47
LNP 39
IND 2
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ALP 46
LNP 40
IND 2
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Final predictions in relative order:-
The winner rightfully gets to wear the title "OERs Foremost Political Expert (OERFPE) until the next Fed/state election.
65:-
ALP 50
LNP 37
IND 1
WP:-
ALP 47
LNP 39
IND 2
dwain-6ft 6-o:-
ALP 46
LNP 40
IND 2
Dooks:-
46 ALP
39 LNP
3 independant.
Giganator:-
ALP 44
LNP 44
IND 0
Tony M
44 ALP
41 LNP
3 IND
Angus:-
44 ALP
40 LNP
4 independant.
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Glad it's over. I've never lived in a marginal seat before and boy do you get get pested by the pollies. The amount spent on pamphlets must be a fortune as you receive something in your post on a daily basis.
Antony Green on ABC claiming a 3% swing to the ALP and a 52-48 split which matches the pre-election polls. He reckons it's 20 minutes away from calling the election.
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Yeah me too, in the Mordi seat here which is in the hot 'sandbelt' and have received a mountain of pamphlets over the last couple weeks.
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Ch9 reporting 39 Alp 31 CoA
Very unpredictable in inner melbourne alp vs Greens
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Liberals starting to concede.....looking like a reasonable shift to a landslide.
Abbott poison
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40 v 32 tracking it might be 48 vs 38 and 2 greens.
looks like a rout. Wp in the box seat followed by 65 and yours truly
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42 Alp 33 lnp
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Lmao dooks
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Antony Green prediction:
ALP 48
LNP 38 (Lib 30, Nat 8)
Green 2
Still a few seats in doubt in inner Melbourne, Morwell & Shepparton (Independent in front of Nat.)
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#cagefightingstate
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Do you want cage fighting in Victoria ...
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Napthine has just conceded defeat.
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well that's disappointing, but Andrews being a local boy il take that
As long as that 65 and his useless greens don't win any more seats im happy
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Abbott's next to go.
:lol
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well that's disappointing, but Andrews being a local boy il take that
As long as that 65 and his useless greens don't win any more seats im happy
Still no certainty the Greens have won any but it looks like they will win at least one. The biggest surprise is the independent in Shepparton winning.
Antony Green's final predictions:
ALP 49
LNP 37 (Lib 31, Nat 6)
Greens 1
Ind. 1
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Minor parties gained 8 seats from the major parties in the Victorian Upper House (Legislative Council):
Lib 14
Nat 2
ALP 13
Greens 5
Shooters 3
Country A. 1
Sex Party 1
DLP 1
http://www.abc.net.au/news/vic-election-2014/results/legislative-council/
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria-state-election-2014/victorian-election-2014-daniel-andrews-is-now-in-a-real-jam/story-fnocy1xj-1227139618501 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria-state-election-2014/victorian-election-2014-daniel-andrews-is-now-in-a-real-jam/story-fnocy1xj-1227139618501)
Victorian election 2014: Dan(iel) Andrews is now in a real jam
Terry McCrann
Herald Sun
November 29, 2014 11:55PM
THE first two things new premier Daniel — Dan — Andrews has to do is to get the state Treasury to cost his promises and to get both legal and financial advice on the cost of dumping the East West Link.
Or maybe that should be the second and third things; perhaps the first is to decide once and for all whether it’s Premier Dan or Daniel.
As Opposition Leader Andrews unfairly and maliciously slimed treasury. As Premier he has to work with them. He’d better understand they are the best thing he will have going for him in the bureaucracy.
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One term Tony coming up unless...
Julie (Juliar) Bishop takes over. :lol
Tony Abbott sweats as Victorian voters cast harsh judgment
November 30, 2014 - 8:28AM
Mark Kenny
There will be no shortage of theories about what caused the Victorian result but you can safely bet federal Labor will target the toxic standing of the Abbott government as the key driver.
Normally such claims are transparently self-serving. Voters understand the delineation between state and federal governments and are loath to waste one trip to the ballot box pointlessly ventilating grievances about the other.
But this election has been different. Noticeably so. Without inspiring leaders, contrasting programs, or the presentation of a transformative vision, the local pre-election period has been vulnerable to national hijack. Some have dubbed the Victorian poll a "Seinfeld election" - a show about nothing.
More accurately it seems, this has been the palimpsest election - one where pre-existing state factors have been all but scrubbed or paled to be over-written with sexier federal issues. Even the hotly contested issue of the East West Link has been mired in the federal sphere with much of the money coming from Canberra and Tony Abbott letting it be known that the billions committed would not be available for re-deployment on public transport if Labor were to win.
For the hapless Napthine government, this federal focus could not have been more inconvenient. Why? Because it started behind and then weathered some of the least favourable background conditions at the hands of its hamfisted federal colleagues.
Canberra's ill-timed restoration of federal fuel excise rises early on (via regulation because he cannot pass it in the Senate) and the woeful mismanagement of the GP co-payment issue in the last critical days of the campaign were major embuggerances to Denis Napthine's pitch - no question.
In a state with the highest mainland jobless level, and where the federal government was already synonymous with insensitivity over Alcoa, and the automotive industry, the charisma-challenged Napthine option has struggled for an independent voice and been damned by association. And Napthine's risible incapacity to "educate" Tony Abbott, as Victorians might see it, has merely made things worse.
However it is in Canberra that the message from voters will be causing real heart-ache into the future.
As the nation's second biggest state, Victoria is already an under-performer for the coalition having supplied just 14 of the Liberal Party's 74 seats and just two more when you add in the Nationals to the joint coalition total nationally of 89.
For the first time in recent days, senior federal Liberals are suddenly alive to the risk of becoming one-term wonders. If it could happen in Victoria - after nearly 60 years - it can happen nationally.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-sweats-as-victorian-voters-cast-harsh-judgment-20141129-11wsgd.html
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and don't tell me she doesn't want it (Tony's job)
Julie Bishop reopens nuclear debate as route to cut carbon dioxide emissions
November 30, 2014 - 8:30AM
Latika Bourke
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says nuclear energy remains an option for Australia, describing it as an "obvious direction" as it considers how to cut carbon dioxide emissions after 2020.
Ms Bishop called for a an open discussion about the feasibility of nuclear power, given Australia's abundance of uranium, but accused Labor of resorting to a scare campaign when the issue was raised during the Howard government years.
"It's an obvious conclusion that if you want to bring down your greenhouse gas emissions dramatically you have to embrace a form of low or zero-emissions energy and that's nuclear, the only known 24/7 baseload power supply with zero emissions," she told Fairfax Media when asked about Australia's options for reaching future carbon-reduction targets.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-reopens-nuclear-debate-as-route-to-cut-carbon-dioxide-emissions-20141129-11w17k.html
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But I have read that Tony's doing a great job ;D
Seriously, can't be Mr Negative for 3 years, criticise everything especially focussing on broken promises and lying and then do the very same thing yourself. That's Tony's way at the moment.
Funniest thing at the moment is his contrast whining about the opposition being negative all the time. As I said Tony did it for 3 years. Pot/kettle/black ;D
Even senior liberal figures are saying they face being a 1 term govt if they don't change and change quickly.
As for Victoria, no surprise with the result to be honest. Ineffective government that promised so much 4 years ago and didn't even deliver half of it. Worse state govt I can remember and that's saying something because we've had some shockers
and BTW looking forward to our new public holiday next September - Froday before the GF :clapping
:rollin
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Liberal suckholes supporters have been quiet lately.
:lol
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But I have read that Tony's doing a great job ;D
Seriously, can't be Mr Negative for 3 years, criticise everything especially focussing on broken promises and lying and then do the very same thing yourself. That's Tony's way at the moment.
Funniest thing at the moment is his contrast whining about the opposition being negative all the time. As I said Tony did it for 3 years. Pot/kettle/black ;D
Even senior liberal figures are saying they face being a 1 term govt if they don't change and change quickly.
As for Victoria, no surprise with the result to be honest. Ineffective government that promised so much 4 years ago and didn't even deliver half of it. Worse state govt I can remember and that's saying something because we've had some shockers
and BTW looking forward to our new public holiday next September - Froday before the GF :clapping
:rollin
Worst ever WP? Bit harsh, yeah they were a bit pedestrian but after the previous 10 years of utter wastage, a short term of financial stability and not peeing away tax payer funds on phurphy's wasn't so bad for mine. Anyhow Dan the man is in let's see how many of his promises get through and more importantly at what cost
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Anti-everything suckholes left wing ferals like myself are never quiet.
:lol
EFA
Obviously not living in Victoria I couldn't give stuff. Up here in NSW Mike Baird is rockin it! Best NSW premier in a long time. He is progressive, likable, in touch with the real issues and is very visible.
Its easy for anti-liberal lefties to blame the federal govt for a crap state government but I can assure you that if there was a state election held in NSW right now, Mike Baird would win easily irrespective of what people think of the federal government. :cheers
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I'm only a casual follower of politics but did I just hear Tony Abbott say on the news he doesn't have a 'theological' position on nuclear power?
Have we ever had a more embarrassing Prime Minister? There should be a minimum IQ required before you can represent us on the world stage.
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I'm only a casual follower of politics but did I just hear Tony Abbott say on the news he doesn't have a 'theological' position on nuclear power?
Have we ever had a more embarrassing Prime Minister? There should be a minimum IQ required before you can represent us on the world stage.
Yes the two before him
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I'm only a casual follower of politics but did I just hear Tony Abbott say on the news he doesn't have a 'theological' position on nuclear power?
Have we ever had a more embarrassing Prime Minister? There should be a minimum IQ required before you can represent us on the world stage.
Yes the two before him
I don't mean politically.
Rudd/Gillard/Howard all strike me as intelligent and well-spoken in their own ways.
Abbott is just an awkward weirdo.
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compared to the previous government? with the greatest respect big richo you were right the first time you have no idea about politics.
good on TA for making it clear the money is for the east/wink link as he like most sound minded folk do that if not the labor party will most likely waste it as they always seem to do with everything. Nice try Andrews, use the federal's money to rip up the contract and make him look good at the same time. Typical labor move to waste more and more money
The link will go ahead.
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compared to the previous government? with the greatest respect big richo you were right the first time you have no idea about politics.
good on TA for making it clear the money is for the east/wink link as he like most sound minded folk do that if not the labor party will most likely waste it as they always seem to do with everything. Nice try Andrews, use the federal's money to rip up the contract and make him look good at the same time. Typical labor move to waste more and more money
The link will go ahead.
:lol
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compared to the previous government? with the greatest respect big richo you were right the first time you have no idea about politics.
Just talking as human beings big Gus.
If you walked into a party and the four of them were there you would have a conversation with the other 3 and leave thinking Abbott was the NQR cousin who has to be watched so he doesn't start masterbating at the dinner table.
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compared to the previous government? with the greatest respect big richo you were right the first time you have no idea about politics.
good on TA for making it clear the money is for the east/wink link as he like most sound minded folk do that if not the labor party will most likely waste it as they always seem to do with everything. Nice try Andrews, use the federal's money to rip up the contract and make him look good at the same time. Typical labor move to waste more and more money
The link will go ahead.
Yes good on Tony for suggesting the Vic Premier elect break an election promise. Great effort that. Good ole honest Tony.
Last week he admitted that the Vic election was referendum on the EWL project. But now the majority of Victorians have made their feelings known he won't respect the will of the people. No honest Tony just expects the incoming govt to break a key promise.
Outstanding leadership there :lol
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Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss....
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The majority of Victorians want the link so put it there and stop avoiding the inevitable which is to break promise no 1 and flush valuable money down the drain.
Mr Andrews wants the funding from federal right? So TA should give it to him but only for the EW link which is what was agreed, but we all know what they will do with it instead.
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One-term Tony is so desperate he thinks telling the truth might be worth a try.
Shaken Abbott has uphill battle to win back voters' trust
Date December 1, 2014 - 8:16PM
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
It is a sad reflection on our politics and governments that it takes some pretty hostile circumstances to get leaders to come clean, admit fault, and, yes, even to tell the truth. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Self evidently, that was the calculation Tony Abbott and his coterie weighed up before breaking the glass and pulling the tell-all press conference lever on the first morning of the last parliamentary week.
But after a week from hell headlined by the ABC funding fudge where the PM had been skewered on his own words, and bookended by the voters' cool dispatch of a first-term coalition government in Victoria – at least partly on federal grievances – the emergency was undeniable.
Abbott's presentation was typically direct and yet typically incomplete also. Eyeballing certain columnists, he said he'd read their scathing assessments over the weekend and would meet those critiques head on. He was less expansive on the self-inflicted ASC-canoe error by his beleaguered Defence Minister and his self-inflicted "barnacle debacle".
However, the real issue was not the commentary, anyway, but the subject of it: to wit, his government's manifold failures against his own clear criteria.
Notably, restoring trust. Abbott's justification for breaking promises? For saying one thing before the election and doing another after? Circumstances have changed.
Ordinarily this would be reasonable enough. The terms of trade have gone south and the budget is indeed being hit to leg with a cyclical downturn compounded by a structural revenue shortfall. Both sides of politics own that one to some extent.
But Abbott is the last person the Labor opposition will be inclined to grant such leeway.
Australia's most percussively negative opposition leader, dubbed "Dr No" for his relentless pursuit of the former government, Abbott has banked zero credits in the pluralism and goodwill account of national politics.
And it gets sharper still because the rampaging opposition leader specifically ruled out using changed budget circumstances to justify breaking promises.
Now he wants precisely that room.
When Julia Gillard's government faced serious revenue write-downs, Abbott offered no comfort, no understanding.
Now he characterises an opposition pursuing a similar approach as "wreckers".
Voters see through it.
They also see through Abbott's catch-all justification for not keeping other promises – namely that his motherhood pledge had been to fix the budget.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/shaken-abbott-has-uphill-battle-to-win-back-voters-trust-20141201-11xxir.html
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I'm only a casual follower of politics but did I just hear Tony Abbott say on the news he doesn't have a 'theological' position on nuclear power?
Have we ever had a more embarrassing Prime Minister? There should be a minimum IQ required before you can represent us on the world stage.
compared to the previous government? with the greatest respect big richo you were right the first time you have no idea about politics.
good on TA for making it clear the money is for the east/wink link as he like most sound minded folk do that if not the labor party will most likely waste it as they always seem to do with everything. Nice try Andrews, use the federal's money to rip up the contract and make him look good at the same time. Typical labor move to waste more and more money
The link will go ahead.
geez, sometimes i wonder about your comprehension skills.
daniel
you clearly dont understand the term casual observer, so it's no surprise you do not fathom the implications of what your oh so great leader has said.
In a nutshell, abbot has said that there is no mention of nuclear energy in the bible or any other form of Yahweh's teachings, therefore he does not have a view on it.
Any person that is not disturbed by such idiocy from a prime minister can only be a bigger buffoon than mr rabbit himself.
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In a nutshell, abbot has said that there is no mention of nuclear energy in the bible or any other form of Yahweh's teachings, therefore he does not have a view on it.
:thumbsup This is my number one issue with this bloke and his cabinet that he selected with similar ideologies. He completely lost me years ago when he was first running against Gillard and said something like "Australia is turning away from Geez." Leave your faith at the door bucko, government is the place for rational debate and adult discussions. Not easter bunnies and zombie jews.
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Hallelujah
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In a nutshell, abbot has said that there is no mention of nuclear energy in the bible or any other form of Yahweh's teachings, therefore he does not have a view on it.
:thumbsup This is my number one issue with this bloke and his cabinet that he selected with similar ideologies. He completely lost me years ago when he was first running against Gillard and said something like "Australia is turning away from Geez." Leave your faith at the door bucko, government is the place for rational debate and adult discussions. Not easter bunnies and zombie jews.
:clapping :bow :clapping
BINGO!
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In the larger context
Its more worrying aust. Being a bitch america
Given the seppos right wing Christian world view and related foreign policy
Tony's theology in regards to nuke power sad side issue
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The “monopoly of a one-party system” is all too evident in the midterm elections,
Ron Paul
Surprised they not killed him yet
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The “monopoly of a one-party system” is all too evident in the midterm elections,
Ron Paul
Surprised they not killed him yet
Yes Leftsack, I'm sure you'd just love a man who is a disciple of Laissez-faire Capitalism, named his son after Ayn Rand, is against immigration and abortion and regarded as the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party movement.
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and so it begins...
Julie Bishop 'went bananas' at Tony Abbott over climate chaperone report
December 4, 2014
Latika Bourke
The first sign of serious tensions between Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop have emerged, with reports the deputy Liberal leader "went bananas" at the Prime Minister after Fairfax Media reported she would be chaperoned on a key overseas mission.
Fairfax Media reported on Sunday that Mr Abbott personally requested Trade and Investment Minister Andrew Robb - one of the Coalition's early opponents of emissions trading - accompany Ms Bishop to climate change talks in Lima, Peru later this month. Environment Minister Greg Hunt will not attend the conference. The summit is a precursor to a summit in Paris next year where it's hoped a new binding global treaty for lowering carbon emissions will be struck.
Mr Robb was asked to make sure any new domestic carbon reduction commitments would be framed around Australia's economic impacts. Sources told Fairfax Media the move was seen as a sign Mr Abbott was worried the Foreign Minister would go "too green" at the UN conference.
On Thursday, The Australian Financial Review reported the story triggered an angry response from Ms Bishop, who is said to have "gone bananas" at Mr Abbott.
Ms Bishop is reported to have demanded a "please explain" from the Prime Minister, especially given she was not consulted on Mr Robb's attendance.
On Wednesday, Ms Bishop said any new climate targets would have broad impacts on the economy.
"This has significant economic impacts, so both the Trade and Investment and the Foreign Minister will be there," she said.
The tensions between leader and deputy leader have emerged amid heightened concerns about the role and influence of Mr Abbott's office, which ministers and backbenchers believe wields too much control.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-went-bananas-at-tony-abbott-over-climate-chaperone-report-20141203-11zpvl.html
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Get stuck into him, Jules.
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The sooner it happens the better
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqzJkTatWiQ
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Libs running the economy into the ground...you cut spending and pander to the top end, when the poot hits the fan there's nowhere to hide.
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The “monopoly of a one-party system” is all too evident in the midterm elections,
Ron Paul
Surprised they not killed him yet
Yes Leftsack, I'm sure you'd just love a man who is a disciple of Laissez-faire Capitalism, named his son after Ayn Rand, is against immigration and abortion and regarded as the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party movement.
Wgaf about his son
Ron seems OK to me
Doubts s/11
Wants fed audit
Didn't want to invade/bomb Iran
Seems to value liberty (what an hole)
appears to like history
Reckons the police being identical to the army is concerning
Etc
Not saying he is Geez but he goes a bit outside the square
Immigration oh well
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Abortion - just a side issue trumped up for people to lose site of larger game
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/tatts-group-wins-540-million-pokies-licence-compensation-payout/story-fni0fee2-1227145131554 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/tatts-group-wins-540-million-pokies-licence-compensation-payout/story-fni0fee2-1227145131554)
Tatts Group wins $540 million pokies licence compensation payout
Padraic Murphy
News Limited
December 04, 2014 6:20PM
TAXPAYERS have been stuck with a half billion dollar compensation bill after the government yesterday lost an appeal against a judgment that it had dudded pokies giant Tatts Group.
In June, the Supreme Court ordered the government pay the Tatts Group $451 million plus interest, ruling the company deserved to be compensated after their pokies licences were not renewed.
That amount has now blown out to $540,467,887.
The government appealed the decision, which was dismissed during a two minute hearing.
Funds to pay for the massive compo bill are expected to be ripped from frontline services, including hospitals and schools.
Nice work :clapping
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ooh dear brumby
all liberals fault though right or do we blame the illumanati albert?
Dooks what is the cost of the Desal plant waste, tatts payout and potential shredding of the EW link. Lets start with that wastage first shall we.
I wouldn't want Dan to rip up the EW contract due to the effect it will have on others, but if he does it will prove how pathetic the ALP are, that they would throw money down the drain on something most Victorians want if you asked them.
all good though we get a day off before the grand final.
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Why do we need a day off before the Grand Final? So shyteloads of neutrals can go to the parade?
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Why do we need a day off before the the Grand Final? So shyteloads of neutrals can go to the parade?
100% agreed. I mean that day of all days WGAF really.
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bread and circuses, it dates back to the Romans. feed and entertain the sheep and they ignore your failings.
all liberals fault though right or do we blame the illumanati albert?
just WTF is this about? any chance of an explanation???
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Lol. Parliament needs a mullet.
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_14718067596518_zps98c7bb12.jpeg)
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Romae had 150 holidays and slaves
We don't haveit as good
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20% cuts to Universities funds $820 million to subsidise training of priests
Welcome to religious fundamentalist Australia.
http://m.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-cuts-university-support-funds-priests-training-20141204-120a3c.html
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ooh dear brumby
Dooks what is the cost of the Desal plant waste, tatts payout and potential shredding of the EW link. Lets start with that wastage first shall we.
I wouldn't want Dan to rip up the EW contract due to the effect it will have on others, but if he does it will prove how pathetic the ALP are, that they would throw money down the drain on something most Victorians want if you asked them.
Perhaps the Libs who negotiated and signed the contract could have been a bit more competent than expose the taxpayers to a 1 billion get out clause? Pretty incompetent If you ask me.
That aside, the economic and practical benefits of the link to the state for the cost involved ($17 billion) are pretty mild. The eddington report which justifies the link is an interesting document! Oh dear.
Would benefit me if built though!
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Get stuffed, this us a secular country. Can this prick get replaced already. Pull your finger out, Julie.
It's unconstitutional in Australia for federal to fund religious stuff anyway (see: trying to put kiddie fiddlers chaplains in schools) so Tony and his pedo mates can bugger off.
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Romae had 150 holidays and slaves
We don't haveit as good
If they had their way labor would give the holidays and the libs the slaves.
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bread and circuses, it dates back to the Romans. feed and entertain the sheep and they ignore your failings.
If thats the case then al I will have the Clive parmigiana ;D
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More foreign aid cuts
Good work Tony
New Geez :clapping
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Can't we have a day off after the Grand Final for hangovers?
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Can't we have a day off after the Grand Final for hangovers?
As Tiger supporters, can we have a Grand Final that we're playing in? ;)
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There is so much negative press about Tony A that I don't know where to start.
But it has been the worst start to a federal government since 1972 when Whitlam got in.
People now realise that Tony can't be trusted. It is as simple as that.
:lol
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Can't we have a day off after the Grand Final for hangovers?
As Tiger supporters, can we have a Grand Final that we're playing in? ;)
A Tiger Premiership will call for a 6 month public holiday period, which will fortunately coincide with the timeframe to repair the Melbourne CBD after we destroy it.
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Not pro Labor but Anti Abbott and Rudd and Gillard were both good Prime Ministers.
It was the combination of them both wanting the top job that killed Labor.
Disunity is death.
Will watch with great amusement when Tony has to navigate a Senate where the Loonies have control.
:lol
15 months later and I am still watching with great amusement at Abbott trying to navigate a Senate where the Loonies have control.
:lol
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Its a bit like Charlton Heston in Omega Man ;D
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/08/mass-surveillance-exposed-edward-snowden-not-justified-by-fight-against-terrorism
human rights at the Council of Europe, says ‘secret, massive and indiscriminate’ intelligence work is contrary to rule of law
But tbf Tony >
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J Bishop what a fine politician she has become.
Could easily take over the reigns and do a better job than any of the last 3 with her eyes closed, and that's saying something as TA has proved quite an accomplished leader himself
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And, just quietly, I would.
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/12/article-0-1F963E2E00000578-375_634x1097.jpg)
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J Bishop what a fine politician she has become.
Could easily take over the reigns and do a better job than any of the last 3 with her eyes closed, and that's saying something as TA has proved quite an accomplished leader himself
and here we have an exhibit as to why the standard of politics as sunk so low and why they treat us with arrogant contempt.
it also highlights the truth of Churchill saying;
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
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J Bishop what a fine politician she has become.
Could easily take over the reigns and do a better job than any of the last 3 with her eyes closed, and that's saying something as TA has proved quite an accomplished leader himself
and here we have an exhibit as to why the standard of politics as sunk so low and why they treat us with arrogant contempt.
it also highlights the truth of Churchill saying;
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
Bang! got him again. Your so easy to stir up albert, i knew you would bite. At least 65 has a quirky nature about him at times your just too easy
Not sure what era you were brought up but you need to wake up son, your becoming the Clive Palmer of this forum.
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suuure...
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And, just quietly, I would.
x2
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And, just quietly, I would.
x2
aah yep
X3
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suuure...
absolutely pal
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And, just quietly, I would.
x2
it would be nice to screw a politician for once, rather than the other way around.
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suuure...
absolutely pal
no doubt at all that after the multitude of posts singing his praises this one is taking the pee......
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That see through panel on the side has taken me to some funky places in the last few hours.
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and don't tell me she doesn't want it (Tony's job)
Julie Bishop reopens nuclear debate as route to cut carbon dioxide emissions
November 30, 2014 - 8:30AM
Latika Bourke
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says nuclear energy remains an option for Australia, describing it as an "obvious direction" as it considers how to cut carbon dioxide emissions after 2020.
Ms Bishop called for a an open discussion about the feasibility of nuclear power, given Australia's abundance of uranium, but accused Labor of resorting to a scare campaign when the issue was raised during the Howard government years.
"It's an obvious conclusion that if you want to bring down your greenhouse gas emissions dramatically you have to embrace a form of low or zero-emissions energy and that's nuclear, the only known 24/7 baseload power supply with zero emissions," she told Fairfax Media when asked about Australia's options for reaching future carbon-reduction targets.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-reopens-nuclear-debate-as-route-to-cut-carbon-dioxide-emissions-20141129-11w17k.html
The issue with going nuclear isn't greenies; it's mostly the NIMBY factor. The prime location for a nuclear fission reactor is where there's a plentiful water source to keep the reactors cool. So that means next to desalination plants (as they require energy to run) such as the one near Wonthaggi in Victoria. That would make the locals happy - not :nope and it is also a Liberal-held electorate.
The other factor is the question whether by the time Australia went nuclear (which from memory would take a couple of decades), would we end up with by then out of date fission technology if nuclear fusion finally becomes a reality.
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And the nuclear waste floating around with no home
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(https://i.imgur.com/eP5oCbx.jpg)
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:lol
I often wonder what the point of fighting an enemy is if you behave just like them.
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The illumanati report hey albert?
:lol
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did you and wat get dropped head first on the same hospital floor at birth?
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Yep and then your mum picked me up
Bless her
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The illumanati report hey albert?
:lol
all we need is Dwayne to post his ancient aliens bloke on repeat - and we got a full house
:clapping
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What will bring Tony unstuck?
Answer: Peta Credlin.
He dumps her and he has nobody to tell him what to do or...
He keeps her and his party dumps him.
Personally, keeping Abbott as PM is the best way to get rid of this toxic government.
:thumbsup
PS Too many news articles to post them all :lol
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PPS I told you she was the problem months ago.
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Now there's one I would stay away from, looks like she'd punch you in the face halfway through.
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The illumanati report hey albert?
:lol
all we need is Dwayne to post his ancient aliens bloke on repeat - and we got a full house
:clapping
Lol yep
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http://imgur.com/iC49QsX
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No wonder Napthine kept the EWL contract under wraps before the election. At $1.2 billion per km to build :o which is 10 times what the cost of Citylink or Eastlink was, the project can't finance itself. Tolling the whole of the Eastern freeway or at the very least the Hoddle Street off ramps to make up the gap would've really gone down well with the eastern suburban electorates currently still held by the Libs :nope.
http://media.heraldsun.com.au/multimedia/2014/dec/eastwestlink_full/EastWestLinkCase_short_highlited.pdf
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I like section 13.3 of that report which talks about tolling not just the Eastern but also the Westgate, and the Tulla freeway after citylink to pay for the tunnel :-\
Bump ::)
ooh dear brumby
Dooks what is the cost of the Desal plant waste, tatts payout and potential shredding of the EW link. Lets start with that wastage first shall we.
I wouldn't want Dan to rip up the EW contract due to the effect it will have on others, but if he does it will prove how pathetic the ALP are, that they would throw money down the drain on something most Victorians want if you asked them.
Perhaps the Libs who negotiated and signed the contract could have been a bit more competent than expose the taxpayers to a 1 billion get out clause? Pretty incompetent If you ask me.
That aside, the economic and practical benefits of the link to the state for the cost involved ($17 billion) are pretty mild. The eddington report which justifies the link is an interesting document! Oh dear.
Would benefit me if built though!
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I like section 13.3 of that report which talks about tolling not just the Eastern but also the Westgate, and the Tulla freeway after citylink to pay for the tunnel :-\
Bump ::)
ooh dear brumby
Dooks what is the cost of the Desal plant waste, tatts payout and potential shredding of the EW link. Lets start with that wastage first shall we.
I wouldn't want Dan to rip up the EW contract due to the effect it will have on others, but if he does it will prove how pathetic the ALP are, that they would throw money down the drain on something most Victorians want if you asked them.
Perhaps the Libs who negotiated and signed the contract could have been a bit more competent than expose the taxpayers to a 1 billion get out clause? Pretty incompetent If you ask me.
That aside, the economic and practical benefits of the link to the state for the cost involved ($17 billion) are pretty mild. The eddington report which justifies the link is an interesting document! Oh dear.
Would benefit me if built though!
think a few people might change tune about wanting this tunnel....
appears it might cheaper for taxpayers if the contract gets ripped up as opposed to building it and having everyone paying for it with new tolls on existing roads.
Cant see folks who use the Eastern Fwy being overly impressed to suddenly having to pay a toll on a road that's been free since it was built. Ditto those in the West who use the Westgate that doesn't move in peak hour. Throw in extending tolls on Citylink which was built on the promise that by whatever the date is 2030 or something like that it would be publicly owned and free
Yes good one, Dr Naptime and your bestie Tony who will only give federal funding to Vic for this road. His encouragement and backing of people being slugged more is noted ;D
Oh and just on Tone and his buddie Joe - will be an interesting day today. Joe's on fire promising a surplus and now saying he didn't promise a surplus but look for it being everyone elses fault but the current govt....
Lying = the way of Australian politics no matter which political side you follow
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No skin off Daniel Andrews' nose regardless of cost to rip up contracts. The election was very much a referendum on the EW Link as both parties made it clear as day what they were going to do, and Victoria overwhelmingly voted against it. End of story.
You will probably find many of the same companies involved in the construction of the tunnel will be employed to fixing the level crossings and other road upgrades. It will create full time jobs for at least the next 8 years.
As for Joe, I think he promised a $27b deficit in the first year (not a surplus) but it was too reliant on high resource prices but iron ore has taken a massive dump in price. I think the forcast is now $50b deficit. Budget crisis ::) tony and pals didn't accept falling resource prices when they were in opposition so lets see if they use it as an excuse themselves.
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I bet Tony wins next election :bow
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"People are being urges to continue normal life"
LANDSLIDE VICTORY
House do I bet? Some give me bookie website please
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"People are being urges to continue normal life"
LANDSLIDE VICTORY
House do I bet? Some give me bookie website please
www.madprickswhowanttolosetherimoney.com.au
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40billion dollar budget deficit is it ?
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40billion dollar budget deficit is it ?
Today yes, tomorrow add another couple of bill
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40billion dollar budget deficit is it ?
Timing ::)
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:shh
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No skin off Daniel Andrews' nose regardless of cost to rip up contracts. The election was very much a referendum on the EW Link as both parties made it clear as day what they were going to do, and Victoria overwhelmingly voted against it. End of story.
You will probably find many of the same companies involved in the construction of the tunnel will be employed to fixing the level crossings and other road upgrades. It will create full time jobs for at least the next 8 years.
As for Joe, I think he promised a $27b deficit in the first year (not a surplus) but it was too reliant on high resource prices but iron ore has taken a massive dump in price. I think the forcast is now $50b deficit. Budget crisis ::) tony and pals didn't accept falling resource prices when they were in opposition so lets see if they use it as an excuse themselves.
Ya but the guy flag had Arabic writing on in
Perspective pls
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:shh
A little bit of the September 10, trillion dollar 'misplacement' from 13 years ago hey....
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I think you may want to adjust that tin foil hat, hippie
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I think you may want to adjust that tin foil hat, hippie
Good point I was wearing it as underpants
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"People are being urges to continue normal life"
LANDSLIDE VICTORY
House do I bet? Some give me bookie website please
www.madprickswhowanttolosetherimoney.com.au
Link is down
Is there a market that's already open or too early?
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So with the budget absolutely blowing out (budget crisis :o) and far beyond the targets, the government decides it will no longer go after massive tax dodgers like Google and Ikea and will instead further cut spending. That's not very Team Australia.
All they seem to be doing is cutting spending in some areas to pay for pet projects and further exacerbating the budget issues.
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Final results have been declared
ALP 47
LNP 38
IND 3
No absolute winner but WP and Dooks were closest.
:cheers
Final predictions in relative order:-
The winner rightfully gets to wear the title "OERs Foremost Political Expert (OERFPE) until the next Fed/state election.
65:-
ALP 50
LNP 37
IND 1
WP:-
ALP 47
LNP 39
IND 2
dwain-6ft 6-o:-
ALP 46
LNP 40
IND 2
Dooks:-
46 ALP
39 LNP
3 independant.
Giganator:-
ALP 44
LNP 44
IND 0
Tony M
44 ALP
41 LNP
3 IND
Angus:-
44 ALP
40 LNP
4 independant.
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:clapping
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Final results have been declared
ALP 47
LNP 38
IND 3
9 non-majors in the Victorian upper house (Legislative Council):
LNP 16
ALP 14
Greens 5
Shooters 2
DLP 1
Country Ind. 1
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-nominates-carbon-tax-repeal-as-achievement-in-his-role-as-minister-for-women/story-fni0xqrb-1227163983577
Thoughts 65?
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loved this bit :lol
“As many of us know, women are particularly focussed on the household Budget ..."
Now that's not a bit sexist is it.
:cheers
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loved this bit :lol
“As many of us know, women are particularly focussed on the household Budget ..."
Now that's not a bit sexist is it.
:cheers
and Tony should know about these things as he is Minister for Women after all.
:lol
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What a pack of morons are running the country.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/missing-airasia-plane-no-atrocity-says-tony-abbott-20141229-12f54q.html
Tact from Tony...
""This is not a mystery like the MH370 disappearance and it's not an atrocity like the MH17 shooting down," Mr Abbott told Macquarie Radio on Monday, referring to the two Malaysia Airlines planes that crashed earlier in the year."
and from the PM in waiting...
"Whilst we hope for the best, as time goes on I'm afraid our fears may be confirmed," Ms Bishop told ABC TV on Monday."
:lol
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I'm surprised you are so anti-Abbott '65.
Thought you would be a staunch Liberal man after Gough Whitlam ruined your perfect country.
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I'm surprised you are so anti-Abbott '65.
Thought you would be a staunch Liberal man after Gough Whitlam ruined your perfect country.
:lol TBR when you mention past Labor failings, 65 goes Green. :cheers
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:lol
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More talk about Julie Bishop taking over.
:thumbsup
Tony Abbott's 'women problem' goes beyond the man
January 1, 2015 - 12:15AM
Julie Szego
The Prime Minister's "women problem" has been such a potent and recurring theme in political discourse that it feels settled, like a layer of sedimentary rock. As a subject of intermittent outrage, Tony Abbott is the mad monk, the meddler in women's reproductive choices, the "misogynist" relegated to "that man" in that now famous parliamentary takedown, the politician whose natural view of women includes apron and ironing board. The discourse is as repetitive and infuriating as a pile of dirty laundry: it never bloody ends.
But in the real world, the mundane, domestic world, something has shifted. While women evidently have a problem with Tony Abbott, the nature of their animus has arguably mutated over the years, metastasising into a chronic ill-will that goes beyond the leader to the Government.
Time and again the polls reveal that dissatisfaction with the Government appears to be more pronounced among female voters.
and from further in the article...
For all the outraged memes on Abbott's remarks about women in the home, the signs suggest women have moved beyond the ideological frisson with Abbott the man and are now just sour about the Abbott Government. Some in the Coalition might be tempted to think that a new leader, perhaps even a female leader, is the only answer to this downward spiral. They would be wise to think again.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-women-problem-goes-beyond-the-man-20141231-12fv5z.html
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What are your thoughts on the Abbott Government's policy on Indigenous Australian's 65?
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More talk about Julie Bishop taking over.
:thumbsup
Abbott's NYE message being more of the same rhetoric that hasn't worked, 10% swings in Victoria and Queensland and the polling figures not budging since the Budget in the latest Newspoll would be what is making the LNP very concerned.
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2014/12/26/1227167/481924-aus-file-federal-newspoll.pdf
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Seems the ideological crusade will continue no matter what if this Government now goes down the path of trying to abolish penalty rates. Political suicide.
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Campbell Newman has called a snap election and Queenslanders are off to the polls on Jan. 31.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/queensland-election-voters-go-to-polls-on-january-31-20150106-12ikdn.html
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the NT has fixed terms and that IMO is the way to go. none of this BS about timing your elections to suit yourself and going into quasi election mode before a date is et.
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Agree Al.
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the NT has fixed terms and that IMO is the way to go. none of this BS about timing your elections to suit yourself and going into quasi election mode before a date is et.
Thankfully we now have fixed 4 year terms here in Victoria.
Newman has only gone early because the latest Qld newspoll now has both sides at 50/50 and he doesn't want to be facing an election just after another unpopular Abbott/Hockey budget like Napthine did.
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I think campbell newman took inspiration for his snap election from this clip. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shk8HawnCTs
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Either Joe Hockey is a complete idiot or he is deliberately lying to us.
Take your pick.
Joe Hockey repeats incorrect claim that half of people's income goes on taxes
The treasurer, Joe Hockey, has again said Australians work six months of the year for the government – a claim that is untrue since the top marginal tax rate of 45 cents in the dollar cuts in only for earnings over $180,000.
Hockey said in an interview on Melbourne’s 3AW: “I want to give families a bit of a break with cost of living and that’s certainly Tony Abbott’s very strong view. We should put more money into the pockets of Australians. It’s their money. When Australians spend the first six months of the year working for the government with tax rates nearly 50 cents in the dollar, it’s a disincentive.”
“You’re working July, August, September, October, November, December just for the government and then you start working for yourself and your own household income after that for another six months, it is a disincentive, so we’ve got to bear that in mind. We’ve got to bear in mind that bracket creep is going to take middle-income Australians into the second-highest tax bracket over the next few years, which is a disincentive for people to work,” he said.
The 2% Medicare levy and the 2% budget repair levy do bring the marginal tax rate for high income earners to 49 cents in the dollar, with the temporary budget repair levy also cutting at for incomes over $180,000.
But 49 cents in the dollar is the marginal tax rate for high income earners – paid only on earnings over $180,000, not the average tax rate.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jan/19/joe-hockey-repeats-incorrect-claim-that-half-of-peoples-income-goes-on-taxes
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Anyone know what's happening with the eastwest link tunnel contract? Lol
Just curious
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Anyone know what's happening with the eastwest link tunnel contract? Lol
Just curious
Lots of talk.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/labor-ramps-up-plans-to-dump-east-west-link-project-20150119-12tk21.html
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You don't say?
Labor doing what they do best.
A lazy bill here another halfa bil over there with the tab compo. Dans off to a flyer should see him out of the top job soon at this rate
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You don't say?
Labor doing what they do best.
A lazy bill here another halfa bil over there with the tab compo. Dans off to a flyer should see him out of the top job soon at this rate
:lol
and how is one-term Tony going?
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Tony is an economic illiterate.
Low 10-year bond rates are the deal of the century but Abbott's not at the table
Who'd say no to the deal of a lifetime? Tony Abbott would, and it's our tragedy.
The 10-year bond rate is the rate at which the government can borrow for 10 years at a fixed rate of interest. Right now it's just 2.55 per cent, an all-time low.
It’s rare to be offered money for nothing. All we would need is confidence in the worth of our ideas.
By way of comparison in the 1970s it exceeded 10 per cent, in the 1980s it passed 16 per cent, in the 1990s it passed 10 per cent, in the 2000s 5 per cent, and until now in this decade it has usually been above 3 per cent. It dived below 3 per cent at the end of last year and is now just 2.55 per cent, the lowest in living memory.
If Australia was to borrow, big time, for important projects that took the best part of a decade to complete, it would have no risk of ever having to fork out more than 2.55 per cent a year in interest. The record low rate would be locked in for 10 years.
Australia's inflation rate is currently 2.3 per cent. Although it will almost certainly fall in the wake of the collapse in oil prices when it is updated next week, the Reserve Bank has a mandate to keep the rate centred at about 2.5 per cent. That means that right now our government is being offered billions for next to nothing, billions for scarcely more than the expected rate of inflation.
If Abbott was the chief executive of a company with good prospects he'd grab the money and borrow as many billions as he could without impairing his credit rating.
In Australia's case that's probably an extra $100 billion. That's enough to build the long-awaited Brisbane to Sydney to Melbourne high-speed rail line, or to build Labor's original national broadband network, or Sydney's $11 billion WestConnex road project plus Melbourne's $11 billion metro rail project plus Melbourne's $16 billion East West Link plus something big in each of the other states.
And it would cost next to nothing. All each of these projects would need is a positive real rate of return (which several of those listed above lack) and we would get ahead.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/low-10year-bond-rates-are-the-deal-of-the-century-but-abbotts-not-at-the-table-20150120-12tq4j.html
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Nice deflection.
Tony and Dan are both finished if they continue on at this rate, buy then again a bill ain't much to tear up so Dan might survive. :cheers
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Nice deflection.
Tony and Dan are both finished if they continue on at this rate, buy then again a bill ain't much to tear up so Dan might survive. :cheers
Dan Andrews has got four years, Tony Abbott has got less than two years and Campbell Newman has got 10 days.
:lol
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Nice deflection.
Tony and Dan are both finished if they continue on at this rate, buy then again a bill ain't much to tear up so Dan might survive. :cheers
Dan Andrews has got four years, Tony Abbott has got less than two years and Campbell Newman has got 10 days.
:lol
Word is Tony has three months or else.
:thumbsup
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Funny that, thought he was the boss. Might be half the issue, perhaps he should be letting those who are challenging him to come up with some solutions in a month or they are out. Covers both bases :santa
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God I hope the Libs lose Queensland and Newman loses his seat.
:lol
Queensland election 2015: Latest Newspoll reveals swing up to 13 per cent in key LNP seats
Sat 24 Jan 2015, 11:12am
A swing of up to 13 per cent in key Liberal National Party-held seats in Queensland has been revealed in the latest Newspoll survey.
The poll of 608 voters, published in today's Australian newspaper, was taken in the electorates of Cairns, in the far north, Ipswich West, 40km outside of Brisbane, and Keppel, near Rockhampton, earlier this week.
The poll found in those three seats, Labor's primary vote had jumped 16 points to 47 per cent, with the LNP's vote collapsing more than eight points to 43.5 per cent.
On a two-party preferred basis, Labor led the LNP 56 per cent to 44 per cent - a swing of 13 per cent.
The Australian said if the support remained unchanged until election day, Ipswich West, held on a margin of 7.2 per cent and Keppel, held on 6.4 per cent, would almost certainly fall to Labor.
Cairns, on 8.9 per cent, would be a tight contest.
Forty-six per cent of people said Opposition Leader Annastacia Palaszczuk would make the better premier, compared to Campbell Newman, who polled 36 per cent.
When asked about Mr Newman's performance as Premier, 60 per cent said they were dissatisfied and 32 per cent were satisfied.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-24/queensland-election-2015-latest-newspoll-reveals-swing-up/6044122
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I think it is evident right across the planet that one term governments might end up becoming the norm.It seems people have had enough of politicians and their neglect of their constituents.all they are interested in is getting elected.
The world is lacking leaders with vision
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I think it is evident right across the planet that one term governments might end up becoming the norm.It seems people have had enough of politicians and their neglect of their constituents.all they are interested in is getting elected.
The world is lacking leaders with vision
:yep
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/most-asylum-seekers-economic-opportunists-says-png-prime-minister-20150127-12zif2.html
Another horrible white racist redneck bogan....oh wait.....
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What a mess poor old Tony has got himself into.
Pressure mounts on Tony Abbott to dump Peta Credlin
Date January 28, 2015 - 6:50PM
Mark Kenny and Heath Aston
Pressure is mounting on Prime Minister Tony Abbott to dump chief of staff Peta Credlin as disgruntled Liberal MPs were joined on Wednesday by conservative commentators including media baron Rupert Murdoch in expressing concerns about his office.
Former Coalition prime minister John Howard is also understood to have carried growing party-room concerns to Mr Abbott over the way his office is run under her management.
However, Mr Abbott's office rejected the concerns.
Conservative radio presenter Alan Jones was one of several normally supportive voices turning on the Prime Minister in the wake of his "captain's pick" appointment of Prince Philip as a knight.
"Here's a bloke who's made a reputation in politics for being on the wavelength of people in the street, and he just seems to have lost that touch," Mr Jones said of Mr Abbott.
Mr Murdoch, the News Corporation boss also applied direct public pressure on Wednesday, using Twitter to demand Ms Credlin's head.
"Tough to write, but if he [Mr Abbott] won't replace top aide Peta Credlin she must do her patriotic duty and resign. More," he wrote.
"Forget fairness," he added in a subsequent tweet. "This change only way to recover team work and achieve so much possible for Australia. Leading involves cruel choices," he wrote.
The comments reveal the conservative-aligned Mr Murdoch, who stays in contact with senior Liberals and regularly receives the Prime Minister and other ministers at his New York home, believes the government is no longer functioning as a team.
They also suggest Mr Murdoch has formed the view – as have a number of Liberal backbenchers – that Ms Credlin is to blame and was behind the knighthood decision even though privately she holds republican rather than monarchist sympathies.
In recent weeks Mr Murdoch is reported to have entertained Deputy Liberal leader and Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.
The day before he was elected in September 2013, Mr Abbott described Mr Murdoch as one of Australia's "home-town heroes".
"I've got a lot of time for Rupert Murdoch because, whether you like his papers or don't like his papers, he's one of the most influential Australians of all time and I think that Aussies should, we should support our home-town heroes. And that's what I think in his own way Rupert Murdoch is," he told Melbourne's Triple M radio.
The Prime Minister on Wednesday conceded the public had not reacted well to the appointment of Prince Philip as a knight but stood by the decision, while promising greater consultation for future appointments.
But the issue has become a lightning rod for serious party-room anger over the operation of the government, and the tight control of cabinet ministers by the Prime Minister's office.
Fairfax Media has been told former prime minister John Howard used a Kirribilli House lunch in December with Mr Abbott to broach growing internal resistance to Ms Credlin's role, which many MPs and ministers say is characterised by excessive control and micromanagement.
Several shocked MPs immediately cited Ms Credlin's influence in the selection of the prince for a knighthood.
Mr Murdoch is thought to be increasingly frustrated with the failure of the government in Canberra to effectively sell its reform agenda as successive opinion polls show it could yet be a one-term operation unless its ratings improve dramatically.
Mr Abbott's own judgment is also being questioned by colleagues.
Fairfax Media has learnt that Mr Abbott first raised the idea of resurrecting the knights and dames honour while he was leader of the opposition, but Ms Credlin and other advisers warned him against going through with it.
The reaction inside his office was that the idea was "f---king stupid", according to a source.
A party source said if Mr Abbott was considering moving Ms Credlin on from his office he would inevitably face fresh accusations that he has a "problem with women".
"It would look terrible if he sacrifices a female adviser over a captain's pick."
But the source acknowledged the growing angst in government ranks at the performance of Mr Abbott's office in general and, specifically, Ms Credlin's at times "tyrannical" role at the centre of it. "Peta's list of enemies grows longer by the day and the week."
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Sums it up pretty well IMO.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/benighted-tony-abbott-must-listen-or-suffer-the-consequences/story-fni0ffxg-1227201337305?sv=119e786ce8f30a8a8ab36de4c962f9c4&utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=6356189
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Sums it up pretty well IMO.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/benighted-tony-abbott-must-listen-or-suffer-the-consequences/story-fni0ffxg-1227201337305?sv=119e786ce8f30a8a8ab36de4c962f9c4&utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=6356189
Replaced by someone worse?!? :lol
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Sums it up pretty well IMO.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/benighted-tony-abbott-must-listen-or-suffer-the-consequences/story-fni0ffxg-1227201337305?sv=119e786ce8f30a8a8ab36de4c962f9c4&utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=6356189
Replaced by someone worse?!? :lol
Not possible. ;D
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The LNP is expected to win today's Queensland state election 52-48 according to most of the polls. However, Premier Campbell Newman is expected to lose his own seat 45-55. So, Queensland will have a new premier whoever wins today.
Meanwhile, Abbott is going to dump his promised Parental Leave Scheme.
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/prime-minister-tony-abbott-to-dump-paid-parental-leave-scheme/story-fnii5sms-1227202835054
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Sums it up pretty well IMO.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/benighted-tony-abbott-must-listen-or-suffer-the-consequences/story-fni0ffxg-1227201337305?sv=119e786ce8f30a8a8ab36de4c962f9c4&utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=6356189
Replaced by someone worse?!? :lol
Not possible. ;D
True. Can't seeing any of those waiting in the wings being worse.
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We're definitely seeing a new era in Australian politics. Massive swings (some Qld seats had 22% :o) from election to election are becoming more and more common as the average voter is disenfranchised with the current political system and more than ever less rusted on to any of the major parties. They've also turned off fly-by-night minor parties and independents over the past 12-18 months thanks to Palmer and Lambie. One-term governments could become the norm.
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Hard to split the sides now as they're closer to center-right and center-left than ever before. Both sides often have something for everyone so if you stuff it up you're gone and we'll put the others in.
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We're definitely seeing a new era in Australian politics. Massive swings (some Qld seats had 22% :o) from election to election are becoming more and more common as the average voter is disenfranchised with the current political system and more than ever less rusted on to any of the major parties. They've also turned off fly-by-night minor parties and independents over the past 12-18 months thanks to Palmer and Lambie. One-term governments could become the norm.
I wish voters would understand that by doing this, all they will achieve is to spook politicians and make them reticent to make the tough but correct calls that may take 2 or more terms to be proven fruitful bc the average dumbarse voter expects immediate results when that sometimes just isn't possible. In time this will breed an even worse type of politician.
Why do people these days expect things to get done with a click of the fingers? Perspective has been lost. It takes time to build or rebuild, you cant do it in one hit!
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Tony I don't think its the tuff decisions voters don't want,i think they would welcome them if they were explained to them.I think the electorate has had enough of politicians of all colour taking us for fools.eg promisng the world to get elected and then conveniently discarding those promises..I think voters across the globe are demanding honesty
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Im not so sure abt that G.... I don't think people want to hear (or accept) the truth. Everytime a politician mentions the words need to cut spending bc its unsustainable, voters are up in arms. Think we've entered a very unrealistic time in society where people expect things to happen by magic and forget it takes sacrifice to get results. Lets see if a politician has the guts to say listen here plebs, right now our expenditure outpaces our income streams by X amount, and its simply unsustainable, we either 1) have to look at welfare cuts or 2) put up taxes or 3) refine the gst tax and include food and/or raise it 2.5%. I guarantee that party will not be voted in. People have become stupid or blind or both
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If Abbott is to go then he is going to be have to be overthrown as he's not going quietly based on his national press club speech today.
He also bagged Victorian voters as having a "fit of absent-mindedness" at the state election ::).
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We need Abbott to stay for our best chance at getting rid of this toxic government.
:cheers
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He also bagged Victorian voters as having a "fit of absent-mindedness" at the state election ::).
That stupid comment was in relation to the East/West tunnel ... We voted made a choice and Tony insults us...great way to keep people on side.
So it seems our PM doesn't appreciate us exercising our democratic right to vote out a coalition government
Great that he is continuing to show what an incompetent leader he is :clapping
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Abbott is a dead man walking.
Unfortunately, the best candidate that the coalition have, Malcolm Turnbull, probably won't get the job because even though he is a highly successful businessman, he is perceived as a leftist by News Corp and the mining companies because he believes in the science of global warming.
On the other hand it will be very difficult for the conservatives to elect a female leader. They are barely able to offer women a minister portfolio so the party looks years away from doing something like this.
There might be a chance for a backmarker to sneak over the line here. If 3 or more stood for the role anything could happen.
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Cabinet ministers say the relationship between Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop is at breaking point as leadership speculation continues to mount.
http://www.news.com.au/news/national/tony-abbott-in-canberra-for-cabinet-meeting-as-leadership-speculation-mounts/story-fni0xqrb-1227206047501
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Looks like the spill has begun.
WHILE Julie Bishop says she won't challenge Tony Abbott, the prime minister could face a leadership spill next week as three coalition MPs have broken ranks and called for action.
QUEENSLAND backbench MP Warren Entsch says he'll seek to resolve festering leadership tensions when the Liberal Party has its first meeting for the year next Tuesday.
Fellow MPs Dennis Jensen and Mal Brough say the issue needs to be "lanced".
http://www.news.com.au/national/liberal-backbencher-dennis-jensen-says-he-no-longer-supports-tony-abbott/story-fncynjr2-1227206900863
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-survival-as-pm-still-uncertain-mp/story-e6frfku9-1227205809169
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Hope they keep him right through until the election.
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:lol
Give it up 65. Abbots gonna be PM for a long time. Your labor mates havent even got themselves a leader yet. A complete and utter rabble is Labor.
:whistle
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We need Abbott to stay for our best chance at getting rid of this toxic government.
:cheers
shut up ;D
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A Turnball Bishop ticket would be good. Would keep the socialists out of power for the next 20 years :thumbsup
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A Turnball Bishop ticket would be good. Would keep the socialists out of power for the next 20 years :thumbsup
That is the best result here ramps by a fair margin here ramps :thumbsup Happy with either TBH and most people would be also, except 65 and WP
Not that i know anything about him but IMO a Brough ticket might as well give them the election now.
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A Turnball Bishop ticket would be good. Would keep the socialists out of power for the next 20 years :thumbsup
That is the best result here ramps by a fair margin here ramps :thumbsup Happy with either TBH and most people would be also, except 65 and WP
Not that i know anything about him but IMO a Brough ticket might as well give them the election now.
Said it before and I will say it again.
I would vote for Turnbull.
Don't know how many Liberal and National voters would.
:lol
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A Turnball Bishop ticket would be good. Would keep the socialists out of power for the next 20 years :thumbsup
That is the best result here ramps by a fair margin here ramps :thumbsup Happy with either TBH and most people would be also, except 65 and WP
Not that i know anything about him but IMO a Brough ticket might as well give them the election now.
Said it before and I will say it again.
I would vote for Turnbull.
Don't know how many Liberal and National voters would.
:lol
Still have the same stuffed policies
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That is the best result here ramps by a fair margin here ramps :thumbsup Happy with either TBH and most people would be also, except 65 and WP
Angus,
Would have no problem with Turnbull as PM, very good leader, smart bloke
Anyone would have to be better that Abbott, who only a few short moths ago you were saying was doing a great job and was proving to be a very good PM.
All he has proved in the last couple of weeks is what so many of us already knew and that he is a complete moron
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A Turnball Bishop ticket would be good. Would keep the socialists out of power for the next 20 years :thumbsup
That is the best result here ramps by a fair margin here ramps :thumbsup Happy with either TBH and most people would be also, except 65 and WP
Not that i know anything about him but IMO a Brough ticket might as well give them the election now.
Said it before and I will say it again.
I would vote for Turnbull.
Don't know how many Liberal and National voters would.
:lol
so youd be happy to be considered a turncoat to your socialist comrades?
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That is the best result here ramps by a fair margin here ramps :thumbsup Happy with either TBH and most people would be also, except 65 and WP
Angus,
Would have no problem with Turnbull as PM, very good leader, smart bloke
Anyone would have to be better that Abbott, who only a few short moths ago you were saying was doing a great job and was proving to be a very good PM.
All he has proved in the last couple of weeks is what so many of us already knew and that he is a complete moron
that says a lot considering his performance has been a massive improvement on the rudd and Gillard governments
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Now Willy your comments about Malcolm are touching but we both know your as far left as the eye can see. :lol :lol
On our PM i stand by that comment. He is one of the most accomplished ministers to ever grace the halls of Canberera. Its mind boggling how you cant see it William. I am confident you will come around soon.
Yes, his last month has not been great but has anyone died from one his schemes, or maybe i missed the ones that died from the boats. Just curious that's.
I suppose he did knight that greek dude that cost us just as much as those wonderful schemes of the Gillard/Rudd ticket.
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We're definitely seeing a new era in Australian politics. Massive swings (some Qld seats had 22% :o) from election to election are becoming more and more common as the average voter is disenfranchised with the current political system and more than ever less rusted on to any of the major parties. They've also turned off fly-by-night minor parties and independents over the past 12-18 months thanks to Palmer and Lambie. One-term governments could become the norm.
I wish voters would understand that by doing this, all they will achieve is to spook politicians and make them reticent to make the tough but correct calls that may take 2 or more terms to be proven fruitful bc the average dumbarse voter expects immediate results when that sometimes just isn't possible. In time this will breed an even worse type of politician.
Why do people these days expect things to get done with a click of the fingers? Perspective has been lost. It takes time to build or rebuild, you cant do it in one hit!
well said TM good to see someone on here knows what his talking about.
In all honesty changing coaches never worked for the tigers so how can it work in politics. No matter which side of the fence you sit on TM has a point
Since Howard left its been one big circus. I dont remember much of keating also but from what i do he was also one of the smartest and best PM's we have had.
Compare that to what we have now. Shorton i mean really? If his next in line. He too will be gone after one term.
Mal T IMO would be perfect in the role and you would think would last 2 terms. Has friends on both sides but will the liberal party make the call. Who knows
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I don't think there will be a spill until there is a clear candidate otherwise there won't be the numbers to beat Tony27 or if so then we might be in the same position in a few years time. He has to go, no questions. Turnball would be good for Australia I think and given the right people around him he could be a good long term option. I could be biased though because he ticks my boxes
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A Turnball Bishop ticket would be good. Would keep the socialists out of power for the next 20 years :thumbsup
The neo-cons and tea party-ists in the LNP see Turnbull as a 'socialist' so that won't work ;D. Bolt and the guy from the Spectator have already said Turnbull would split the Libs into two simply based on climate change policy. Turnbull has broader appeal but he's hated by many within his own party. As much as Abbott is a moron, getting rid of him won't solve the LNP's problems long-term in any case. They are stuck with a paradox of having too many of their policies too far-right of centre to appeal to the electorate while too many within the Liberal inner sanctum are unwilling to change these policies.
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We're definitely seeing a new era in Australian politics. Massive swings (some Qld seats had 22% :o) from election to election are becoming more and more common as the average voter is disenfranchised with the current political system and more than ever less rusted on to any of the major parties. They've also turned off fly-by-night minor parties and independents over the past 12-18 months thanks to Palmer and Lambie. One-term governments could become the norm.
I wish voters would understand that by doing this, all they will achieve is to spook politicians and make them reticent to make the tough but correct calls that may take 2 or more terms to be proven fruitful bc the average dumbarse voter expects immediate results when that sometimes just isn't possible. In time this will breed an even worse type of politician.
Why do people these days expect things to get done with a click of the fingers? Perspective has been lost. It takes time to build or rebuild, you cant do it in one hit!
well said TM good to see someone on here knows what his talking about.
In all honesty changing coaches never worked for the tigers so how can it work in politics. No matter which side of the fence you sit on TM has a point
Since Howard left its been one big circus. I dont remember much of keating also but from what i do he was also one of the smartest and best PM's we have had.
Compare that to what we have now. Shorton i mean really? If his next in line. He too will be gone after one term.
Mal T IMO would be perfect in the role and you would think would last 2 terms. Has friends on both sides but will the liberal party make the call. Who knows
I probably sound like a broken record but for me the problem comes back to ignoring the elephant in the room that is constitutional (government) reform. Despite living in a world of instant communication literally at your fingertips, we still have a bloated 3-tier political system of 600 governments Australia-wide with 6000 pollies each on six figure salaries with all their added taxpayer-funded perks, over-generous superannuation and numerous staffers to support each of them. Billions of dollars of taxpayers' money is just wasted propping up a political system designed long ago for a long lost era of horse & carts and telegrams where the tyranny of distance required 3 tiers of government. We no longer need three tiers in this 21st century digital age. It's political and governmental overkill.
What we also have now is our 'leaders' (and I use that term loosely) in politics and big business pointing the finger and attacking the average Aussie in the street demanding them to accept "reform" in terms of cuts and higher taxes while these 'leaders' sit back in 'operation normal' unwilling to reform themselves one iota. Sorry but leadership demands one to lead and the best way to lead in Australia is by example and by bringing the people with you in a conciliatory way. You don't, for example, cry wolf claiming a "budget emergency" and pointing the finger at someone on a low income, if you're a pollie claiming a taxpayer funded "living away allowance" to stay overnight in your own house as the treasurer has done. It's BS like that has caused the electorate to totally switch off. The people have had enough of the lying hypocrites and their constant flip-flops on major policy.
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I probably sound like a broken record but for me the problem comes back to ignoring the elephant in the room that is constitutional (government) reform. Despite living in a world of instant communication literally at your fingertips, we still have a bloated 3-tier political system of 600 governments Australia-wide with 6000 pollies each on six figure salaries with all their added taxpayer-funded perks, over-generous superannuation and numerous staffers to support each of them. Billions of dollars of taxpayers' money is just wasted propping up a political system designed long ago for a long lost era of horse & carts and telegrams where the tyranny of distance required 3 tiers of government. We no longer need three tiers in this 21st century digital age. It's political and governmental overkill.
What we also have now is our 'leaders' (and I use that term loosely) in politics and big business pointing the finger and attacking the average Aussie in the street demanding them to accept "reform" in terms of cuts and higher taxes while these 'leaders' sit back in 'operation normal' unwilling to reform themselves one iota. Sorry but leadership demands one to lead and the best way to lead in Australia is by example and by bringing the people with you in a conciliatory way. You don't, for example, cry wolf claiming a "budget emergency" and pointing the finger at someone on a low income, if you're a pollie claiming a taxpayer funded "living away allowance" to stay overnight in your own house as the treasurer has done. It's BS like that has caused the electorate to totally switch off. The people have had enough of the lying hypocrites and their constant flip-flops on major policy.
Couldn't agree more MT, especially regarding the 3 tiers of govt. And your 2nd point is valid for any pollie or party - they have all become self-invested and so insulated from reality that you get nervous attending the polls to vote from the vast selection of egotistical, lying, immature cretins.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.
Malcolm X
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The public wants what the public gets.
The Jam
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Malcolm Turnbull as leader would put Coalition well ahead of Labor, says poll
Poll says Coalition would go from trailing Labor to leading on the two-party vote if Turnbull or Bishop were in charge
Lenore Taylor, political editor
Under Malcolm Turnbull the Coalition would catapult from an election-losing position in the polls to a decisive election-winning lead, according to a new opinion poll that lands as his party’s MPs deliberate on how to vote in Tuesday’s dramatic leadership spill motion.
The Seven News/ReachTEL poll confirmed the Coalition’s current dire position under Tony Abbott’s leadership – with 45% to 55% of the two-party preferred vote.
But when pollsters asked how people would vote if Malcolm Turnbull were prime minister, the Coalition’s position reversed and it lead Labor by 54% to 46% of the two-party preferred vote.
Julie Bishop, the other possible candidate in Tuesday’s ballot would also put the Coalition ahead of Labor if she were prime minister, but by a smaller margin: 51% to 49%.
When forced to choose between Turnbull and Bishop as Liberal leader, 56.5% preferred Turnbull and 43.5% Bishop.
Neither Bishop nor Turnbull have declared whether they will stand if the spill motion to be moved by two West Australian MPs succeeds. The prime minister and his backers are working frantically to ensure the spill motion does not get up.
Of the 3,503 voters polled by telephone last night 62.7% said they thought Tony Abbott was doing a poor, or a very poor job as prime minister; 39.3% thought Bill Shorten was doing a poor or very poor job.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/06/malcolm-turnbull-as-leader-would-put-coalition-well-ahead-of-labor-says-poll
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'65 & the rest of the Shining Path collective now all praying Abbott stays PM....
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Said it before and I will say it again, I would vote for Turnbull.
I am expecting Turnbull, if he wins the spill, to call an early (double dissolution) election.
...and he will romp it in.
:thumbsup
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Said it before and I will say it again, I would vote for Turnbull.
I am expecting Turnbull, if he wins the spill, to call an early (double dissolution) election.
...and he will romp it in.
:thumbsup
Double dissolution over what?
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Said it before and I will say it again, I would vote for Turnbull.
Sure you would Trotsky....
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Said it before and I will say it again, I would vote for Turnbull.
Sure you would Trotsky....
:lol
If the leaders seek only to preserve themselves, that is what they become; preserves, dried preserves.
Leon Trotsky
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So what's everyone tipping here?
My tip is Abbott and gone in 12 months replaced by shorton who will be gone 12 months after
stuff this a circus. Just goes to show its not the people who elect the leader it's the dillusional party room people.
Turnbull would suit most of us. Greenys left right everyone wins but I can't see it happening.
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Can't see Tony24 lasting even 12 months with 39 votes against. Forget the 60 odd for, more than a third of the party were ready to toss him. Discount the front benchers and it's more than half. They'll keep coming, death by a thousand cuts.
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So what's everyone tipping here?
My tip is Abbott and gone in 12 months replaced by shorton who will be gone 12 months after
stuff this a circus. Just goes to show its not the people who elect the leader it's the dillusional party room people.
Turnbull would suit most of us. Greenys left right everyone wins but I can't see it happening.
The system is broke, and broke badly. In saying that those that continually blindly vote for a particular party because thats who they barrack for shoulder a fair portion of the blame.
They treat us all with contempt, but people don't send a message at the polling booth, so they have no incentive to to change. They know that a large number of people simply bend over, take it with a smile and then put 1 next to their name on the next ballot paper.
In recent times there has been a small change with independents and small parties starting to have more influence, but this is also partly to do with the voting system. The issue with this is the two major parties will band together to convince people that this is not good and possibly change things (with either the people being ignorant to it or with their blessing) so it continues to be basically a two party system (as they did against Pauline Pantsdown) and we still remain with a choice of a poo sandwich or a douche bag
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Abbott survived the spill motion 61-39.
Abbott still more popular amongst Liberal voters compared to Turnbull or Bishop according to the latest Newspoll:
Latest Newspoll:
2PP votes: LNP 43 (-3) ALP 57 (+3)
Primary Votes: LNP 35 (-3) ALP 41 (+2) GRN 12 (0)
Abbott: Approve 24 (-9) Disapprove 68 (+10)
Preferred LIB Leader (Abbott/Turnbull): Abbott 25 Turnbull 64
Preferred LIB Leader (Abbott/Bishop): Abbott 27 Bishop 59
Preferred LIB Leader (Abbott/Turnbull, LIB voters): Abbott 54 Turnbull 40
Preferred LIB Leader (Abbott/Bishop, LIB voters) Abbott 57 Bishop 37
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Our great leader has suffered a major blow today. Unfortunately the great one wont last much past the budget. Its time to bring in the new great conservative leader of the masses Malcolm Turnball.
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Angus, with respect under our electoral system the public has never directly elected the leader. Each party elects it leader.
Although, Rudd got the ALP to change how the Fed Labor leader is elected with the membership having a 50% say
Problem with politics in this country today is each side are only interested in winning as opposed to having any real plan for our future. They are not prepared to make tough decisions because they are afraid they will get kicked out of office.
On the odd occasion when they decide to make a tough call they seem to attack the most vulnerable (lower income earners) rather than (1) looking at their lurks & perks (eg hockey claiming a LVAFH allowance on his wife's house) and cutting them or (2) targeting higher income earners or (3) getting rid of ridiculous funding schemes like the disgraceful ministers in schools program.
Last week you said I was so far to left it wouldn't matter who led the current govt I wouldn't vote for them. On that you are wrong. FYI I didn't vote at all at the last Fed election because I was so disgusted with all sides. They offered nothing of substance, no leadership or real plan for the future. They all just sooked an moaned about the other side. But I don't shy away from the fact that there is no way I would even consider voting for a party that has Abbott as a leader. He is simply terrible. Think today has proved that with the support within his own party were it now sits
Currently as it stands I still wouldn't vote for any of them until they all prove to me they have something to offer. They are all as bad as each other and just like al said they treat us with contempt, they (none of them) deserve our respect let alone our vote
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apparently our constitution does not specifically say the leader of a party and therefore PM does not even have to be an elected member of parliament.
With the spill motion, Rabbit pulled off his most cunning ploy yet. He equated them getting rid of him to what happened with the ALP saying things like "we are not Labor". this would have swayed a number of the fence sitters.
All this pales in comparison to the circus here in the NT. The CLP got rid of their leader a while back while he was in Japan. Then last week they had a 1 am press conference to say they have again spilled their leader, Giles and his deputy, and that Willem van Holthe was to replace him
Giles in his full arrogance refused to give his resignation to the Administrator because;
"Quite frankly, I don't think that Willem Westra van Holthe has the capacity, capability or the tenacity or the professionalism to be the chief minister,"
Willem is now his deputy leader.
But it gets better. Willem and his deputy to be are both ex coppers. Recently the head of the filth was stood down amongst accusations he interfered into an criminal investigation into an ex g/f. This intensified calls for a judicial inquiry into the police force as there is other rumours of unsavory behavior. Giles has resisted this saying you don't have inquiries based on rumour and unsubstantiated claims. Now he has accused the police of playing a role in this unsuccessful coup (without providing a hint of proof) and has said there will now be an judicial investigation into the police force, basically saying where there is smoke there is fire.
Add to this, our local council had a trespass notice issued against the mayor, preventing him from entering the council offices, so in each tier of government ruling my life, the clowns are well and truly running the circus.
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Found out the real reason why Abbott moved the vote to Monday. It was because he kept saying "see you next tuesday" :rollin
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Half term Tony cops it from a US think tank...
US think tank asks 'Is Tony Abbott the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy?'
Date February 12, 2015 - 5:26AM
Nick O'Malley
A leading United States think tank has published a piece posing the question, "Is Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy?" and answering, quite comprehensively, in the affirmative.
Published on the Council on Foreign Relations website before Mr Abbott survived a spill motion on Monday, the piece argues that he has proven so "shockingly incompetent" that he deserved to lose his job.
"Abbott has proven so incapable of clear policy thinking, so unwilling to consult with even his own ministers and advisers, and so poor at communicating that he has to go," wrote the CFR senior fellow Joshua Kurlantzick, a US specialist in south-east Asian politics.
"Abbott's policies have been all over the map, and the lack of coherence has often made the prime minister seem ill-informed and incapable of understanding complex policy issues," he wrote.
"In press conferences, Abbott has offered mixed public messages about some of the health care reforms that were at the centre of his agenda, and sometimes has seemed unsure himself of what health legislation has actually been passed on his watch. He also has seemed unsure of what he promised in the past regarding Australia's major public broadcaster – he promised not to touch it – before he went ahead made cuts to it. He also looked completely baffled on climate change issues at the G20 summit in Australia last year."
Mr Kurlantzick argued that Mr Abbott's failure to consult with senior ministers about key issues had made it harder to pass critical legislation, and that Mr Abbott had what appeared to have "one of the worst senses of public relations of any prime minister in recent Australian history."
According to Mr Kurlantzick, Mr Abbott's "coarse rhetoric" had embarrassed Australia at major economic summits and that his decision to knight the "notoriously gaffe-prone and fusty Prince Philip" had gone down poorly even among his most conservative supporters.
"I take no position on whether a left or right coalition can govern Australia better – whether Australia needs a revolt from within the ruling coalition or a national election victory by the left," he wrote in conclusion. "But a country that for decades has punched above its weight on nearly every international issue surely can do much better for a prime minister than Tony Abbott."
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-think-tank-asks-is-tony-abbott-the-most-incompetent-leader-of-any-industrialised-democracy-20150211-13cda6.html
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Found out the real reason why Abbott moved the vote to Monday. It was because he kept saying "see you next tuesday" :rollin
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/li4P2WAOCUI/hqdefault.jpg)
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In all serious now if we look at the last 10 years or so Australia has suffered from a real leader: Looking back as far as
Whitlam: considered a great reformer but poor economic manager, at least he looked like a leader a real Prime Minister
Fraser: didn't do much but he knew how to lead his government, for me he passes as a Prime Minister
Hawke: For me the best Prime Minister over the last 3 or 4 decades, ran a good government and ran a good competent show.
Keating: Is interesting for me he did his best work as Treasurer and as Prime Minister looked the part. Passes easily for PM Material.
Howard: Only 2nd behind Hawke over the last 30 years. Left Australia debt free and great economically. A very good PM.
then ...
Rudd - no for me, smart guy but should never have made it to Prime Minister for mine
Gillard - a great disappointment, her best work came towards the end, disability policy excellent and various royal commissions but the previous period wasn't up to it in my opinion. I had high hopes for her but her "there will be no carbon tax under any government I lead" finished her. For me she shouldn't have been made Prime Minister
Abbott- tries hard, for me he is quite capable to be a minister but NOT Prime Minister.
In effect we haven't had a really good leader since John Howard was running the country. Its time for Australia to get someone better in the role, at least someone who looks like he or she can lead.
Bring on Malcolm Turnball or Julie Bishop.
As for Shorten as opposition leader, Labor needs to do better. Anyone coming up in the ranks?
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Anyone hear Abbots latest gaffe re 'holocaust' :huh
But don't worry Australia, the Liberals have changed
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Anyone hear Abbots latest gaffe re 'holocaust' :huh
But don't worry Australia, the Liberals have changed
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9nYxg7IIAI5oey.jpg)
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This just gets better and better...
:lol
Abbott government senators prepared to cross floor over Racial Discrimination Act
Date February 13, 2015 - 8:49AM
Latika Bourke
National political reporter
Prime Minister Tony Abbott is facing a rebellion in the Senate, with up to half a dozen of his own senators indicating they could cross the floor in favour of changing race hate laws.
In a sign of Mr Abbott's diminishing authority, West Australian senator Chris Back and Queensland Liberal National Party senator Ian Macdonald have told Fairfax Media they will vote in favour of a bill designed to water down the Racial Discrimination Act. South Australian senator Sean Edwards has given a strong indication he could join them, arguing the act in its current form suppresses free speech.
Mr Abbott pledged to repeal section 18C of the act prior to the 2013 election after it was used to prosecute conservative commentator Andrew Bolt. But he abandoned the pledge last year after a fierce backlash from religious leaders and many Liberal MPs.
This week, Parliament's bipartisan human rights committee found changes to the act would not contravene Australia's international obligations.
Family First senator Bob Day has now proposed removing the words "insult" and "offend" from the act, meaning it would no longer be possible to prosecute someone for insulting or offending someone based on their race. Liberal senators Cory Bernardi and Dean Smith have previously pledged their support and have co-sponsored Senator Day's bill. It is also being co-sponsored by Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm.
Supporters for change renewed their push in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo terror attack in defiance of Mr Abbott's decision.
Senator Linda Reynolds has called for a review of the government's approach to section 18C because current laws have overreached.
Senator Reynolds said the Paris attack and the Lindt cafe siege in Sydney had confirmed the threat the West faces from extremists trying to undermine democratic values, including free speech.
"I do not believe in Australia we are Charlie," Senator Reynolds said, a reference to the #JeSuisCharlie campaign that went viral in support of free speech. "Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act is a key contributor to this.
"I believe the Australian community must rediscover a way to accept hearing things we do not personally believe in. I don't believe insulting or offending someone should give rise to legal liability and it is my personal view that these laws have overreached and require amendment."
But the West Australian cautioned against rushing any change and called on the government to review its position on Senator Day's bill.
Fairfax Media has contacted every government backbencher in the Senate to sound out their view. Nationals senator Bridget McKenzie will consider her position once a vote is imminent. Senators John Williams and Zed Seselja did not have a position. Senators James McGrath, Bill Heffernan, David Johnston and Matt Canavan did not return calls, while Arthur Sinodinos will vote along government lines.
There is a strong possibility more government backbenchers will cross the floor to support Senator Day's bill.
Frontbenchers are unlikely to cross the floor because they would have to give up their positions. Deputy Whip Anne Ruston said she accepted the Prime Minister's decision to abandon repealing section 18C but believed it could be revisited "when national security is not at such a heightened state".
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-senators-prepared-to-cross-floor-over-racial-discrimination-act-20150212-13cvvn.html
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Anyone hear Abbots latest gaffe re 'holocaust' :huh
But don't worry Australia, the Liberals have changed
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9nYxg7IIAI5oey.jpg)
:lol
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Anyone hear Abbots latest gaffe re 'holocaust' :huh
But don't worry Australia, the Liberals have changed
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9nYxg7IIAI5oey.jpg)
:lol
Another day and another "captain's call". Looks like the leadership tensions are about to boil over again after Abbott dumped Ruddock as chief party whip. Ruddock was one of Abbott's most loyal supporters too, so it's a odd move.
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TONY Abbott suggested a unilateral invasion of Iraq, with 3500 Australian ground troops to confront the Islamic State terrorist group.
Flanked by his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, in a meeting in Canberra on November 25, the Prime Minister said the move would help halt the surge of Islamic State in northern Iraq.
After receiving no resistance from Ms Credlin or his other staff in the room, Mr Abbott then raised the idea with Australia’s leading military planners. The military officials were stunned, telling Mr Abbott that sending 3500 Australian soldiers without any US or NATO cover would be disastrous for the Australians.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/tony-abbott-sought-military-advice-on-go-it-alone-invasion-of-iraq/story-fnpdbcmu-1227233174095
:help :facepalm
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TONY Abbott suggested a unilateral invasion of Iraq, with 3500 Australian ground troops to confront the Islamic State terrorist group.
Flanked by his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, in a meeting in Canberra on November 25, the Prime Minister said the move would help halt the surge of Islamic State in northern Iraq.
After receiving no resistance from Ms Credlin or his other staff in the room, Mr Abbott then raised the idea with Australia’s leading military planners. The military officials were stunned, telling Mr Abbott that sending 3500 Australian soldiers without any US or NATO cover would be disastrous for the Australians.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/tony-abbott-sought-military-advice-on-go-it-alone-invasion-of-iraq/story-fnpdbcmu-1227233174095
:help :facepalm
I reckon if you asked 100 people on the street if it was a good idea fighting a stand alone war with 3500 troops against Isis (estimates upto 200,000 troops), 99 of those people would say it wasn't a good idea.
The 1 person who'd say it was a good idea would either have shares in a coffin making business, or would be of such low intelligence that they would be constantly soiling their pants and forgetting their own name
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The 1 person who'd say it was a good idea would either have shares in a coffin making business, or would be of such low intelligence that they would be constantly soiling their pants and forgetting their own name
So you're saying Tony Abbott consults himself on his Captain calls?
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Daniel?
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adam bandt
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Today's Age editorial.
Whack.
The attack on Triggs is an Abbott stitch-up
Date February 26, 2015 - 12:15AM
Australia is witnessing a political stitch-up of extraordinary proportions. Not by Professor Gillian Triggs and the Human Rights Commission, as the Prime Minister might wail and cry. No, it is clear what is going on. The Abbott government is cynically moving to de-legitimise certain institutions that perform vital roles in the democratic life of this nation.
Its attack on the president of the Human Rights Commission is designed to enfeeble the statutory institution that is vested with the important task of observing and critiquing how Australian governments and institutions abide by the international laws of human rights, laws that this nation proudly helped to formulate and which we demand other countries uphold.
It has been a brutal exhibition of Machiavellian manoeuvrings – by the Prime Minister from the floor of Parliament, by the sleazy antics of the Attorney-General in trying to force Professor Triggs' resignation, and through the brazenly partisan conduct of Coalition senators on the legal and constitutional affairs committee. But this government's morally bankrupt and desperately misguided effort to manipulate public opinion against the commission will prove to be an own-goal.
The unpopular Abbott government is apparently so threatened by the findings of a report into children in immigration detention – a report that delivers strong criticism of both the Coalition and its Labor predecessors – that it seeks to render impotent an independent, vocal monitor. It seeks to sow doubt about the commission's credibility, so it strikes at the top.
The government says it has lost confidence in Professor Triggs. It claims she demonstrated political bias by initiating an inquiry into children in detention only after the Coalition came to power in late 2013. It argues the commission should have been concerned about children being locked up under the Rudd and Gillard governments, when numbers in detention soared. Attorney-General George Brandis embellishes this by saying Professor Triggs committed a "catastrophic error of judgment". He says there was "a near-universal view" within the Coalition by Christmas that her position had become untenable, mainly because of what he called her "inconsistent and evasive" responses before the Senate committee in November.
The government's complaints are concocted nonsense. In any other context, such slippages would be excused once clarified. This government, though, whips them into a conspiracy of mock-horror proportions then tries to induce her to quit. All the while, the commission's report is shoved aside. Indeed, the chairman of the Senate committee, Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald, contemptuously declared he has not, and will not, read the report – an appalling abrogation of his responsibilities.
Rarely has a federal government engaged in such a vicious, politicised campaign to demolish the integrity and professionalism of a statutory officer. The Prime Minister's enthusiastic participation in this tawdry episode greatly diminishes the standing of his office.
Senator Brandis says he wants the Human Rights Commission to focus on "projects that actually mean something to the mainstream of Australian people [and] will make a material difference to their lives". His proposal highlights how fundamentally out of touch this government is with issues of human rights, because it is not mainstream Australians who are at risk. It is those at the margins who cannot speak for themselves, the young and disadvantaged, minorities and non-Australians (such as asylum seekers), who most need their human rights secured.
The internationally respected Human Rights Commission provides a level of protection for these people. Its vital work must be allowed to proceed unimpeded by interference or intimidation from a cynical and desperate government.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/the-attack-on-triggs-is-an-abbott-stitchup-20150225-13ogxw.html
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The Age :lol ... nuffin more than a dirty socialist rag that should be closed down.
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The Age :lol ... nuffin more than a dirty socialist rag that should be closed down.
Will be soon enough.
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BACKBENCHERS have reportedly told Malcolm Turnbull he’s got the numbers to beat Tony Abbott in a Liberal party leadership spill.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/seven-news-reports-malcolm-turnbull-has-the-numbers-to-beat-tony-abbott-in-a-leadership-spill/story-fni0xqrb-1227240513824
Sounds like Trigg may have the last laugh.
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http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/bali-9-execution-black-sabbaths-tony-iommi-appeals-to-joko-widodo-for-clemency-20150304-13upso.html#ixzz3TNuqEwlN
Little does he know that Joko's more of a Slayer fan....
(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/2/0/7/207.jpg?0639)
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He's also a napalm death fan. Just must not read the lyrics.
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Liberal Government is going just fine.
The Indonesians are threatening a tsunami of refugees.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/bali-nine-executions-indonesian-minister-threatens-to-release-human-tsunami-of-asylum-seekers-20150310-140dhn.html
Christopher Pyne is being blasted by the Unis
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/vicechancellors-blast-dumb-decision-to-axe-research-funding-if-uni-fee-laws-dont-pass-20150310-1406xq.html
Ian Macfarlane has bungled the car assistance announcement.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/this-is-an-own-goal-ian-macfarlane-accused-of-bungling-car-industry-assistance-announcement-20150310-13zto3.html
Hockey is in court just bringing attention to the corruption allegations.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fairfax-media-dismisses-joe-hockey-claims-as-conspiracy-theory-20150310-140888.html
and Abbott, well he is just being Tony "I have NFI" Abbott.
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/movies/rolf-de-heer-slams-tony-abbott-over-lifestyle-choice-comments-on-remote-aboriginal-communities-20150310-140it3.html
:lol
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and the latest poll is 55 to 45 in favour of the ALP.
Can anybody smell another spill coming on?
:lol
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there was no spill to begin with the spill motion was defeated. youre a teacher you should know better.
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there was no spill to begin with the spill motion was defeated. youre a teacher you should know better.
You must've been privately educated........
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Broadmeadows High and proud.
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there was no spill to begin with the spill motion was defeated. youre a teacher you should know better.
You must've been privately educated........
And you?
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As someone who is apolitical can I just say I could poo a better Prime Minister than Tony Abbott.
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Lots of good news coming out of the Federal Government at the moment.
The budget looks like being more good news.
Is Abbott silly enough to then call an early election.
That would certainly kill any challenge to his leadership. Either he wins the election and gets to remain Prime Minister or he loses the election which will stop Turnbull becoming Prime Minister.
:cheers
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and so it begins...
and from the Herald-Sun no less.
Tony Abbott says he won’t give up on university deregulation, setting the scene for double dissolution
Lanai Scarr National Political Reporter
News Corp Australia Network
March 18, 2015 9:22AM
TONY Abbott has vowed to continue his pursuit of university sector reform, potentially setting the scene for a double dissolution election.
The Prime Minister said he would not give up on attempts to deregulate the sector and the bill would again be put to parliament.
“We will have another go at this,” Mr Abbott told Sydney’s 2SM radio this morning.
“Just about all the university vice chancellors say that if universities are to flourish in the future they need to lose the hand of Canberra.”
If the bill is put to parliament again it the same form and fails, the option for a double dissolution is live.
The procedure is allowed when a bill is defeated twice and is aimed at resolving deadlocks in parliament.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/tony-abbott-says-he-wont-give-up-on-university-deregulation-setting-the-scene-for-double-dissolution/story-fni0xqrb-1227267371895
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bill shorten will never beat Abbott in a federal election
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bill shorten will never beat Abbott in a federal election
"a drover's dog could lead the Labor Party to victory, the way the country is". Bill Hayden March 1983
:lol
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bill shorten will never beat Abbott in a federal election
"a drover's dog could lead the Labor Party to victory, the way the country is". Bill Hayden March 1983
:lol
Actually watched the first part of that political series last night about Australia's economic change from the late 60s/early 70s to now (the first part stopped at the late 80s). A lesson that to be a 'successful' government you not only need luck as far as the state of the global economy but you also need to be pragmatic, move with the times, and seek and achieve consensus before trying to pass and implement major reform. Abbott, of course, is the antithesis of all this. He combines the worst traits of all previous PMs/governments that went before him in modern times into one. As staunchly ideologically driven no matter what as Whitlam, as stubborn as Fraser at opposing and refusing to accept the changing social/economic/technological times, as economically inept as both Whitlam & Fraser, as lacking in tact and bully-ish as Keating, as much as loving to play on fears for political gain as Howard, as internally control-freaking as Rudd and as fragmented and divided internally as the Gillard era.
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bill shorten will never beat Abbott in a federal election
"a drover's dog could lead the Labor Party to victory, the way the country is". Bill Hayden March 1983
:lol
Actually watched the first part of that political series last night about Australia's economic change from the late 60s/early 70s to now (the first part stopped at the late 80s). A lesson that to be a 'successful' government you not only need luck as far as the state of the global economy but you also need to be pragmatic, move with the times, and seek and achieve consensus before trying to pass and implement major reform. Abbott, of course, is the antithesis of all this. He combines the worst traits of all previous PMs/governments that went before him in modern times into one. As staunchly ideologically driven no matter what as Whitlam, as stubborn as Fraser at opposing and refusing to accept the changing social/economic/technological times, as economically inept as both Whitlam & Fraser, as lacking in tact and bully-ish as Keating, as much as loving to play on fears for political gain as Howard, as internally control-freaking as Rudd and as fragmented and divided internally as the Gillard era.
Don't hold back now.
:lol
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bill shorten will never beat Abbott in a federal election
"a drover's dog could lead the Labor Party to victory, the way the country is". Bill Hayden March 1983
:lol
Actually watched the first part of that political series last night about Australia's economic change from the late 60s/early 70s to now (the first part stopped at the late 80s). A lesson that to be a 'successful' government you not only need luck as far as the state of the global economy but you also need to be pragmatic, move with the times, and seek and achieve consensus before trying to pass and implement major reform. Abbott, of course, is the antithesis of all this. He combines the worst traits of all previous PMs/governments that went before him in modern times into one. As staunchly ideologically driven no matter what as Whitlam, as stubborn as Fraser at opposing and refusing to accept the changing social/economic/technological times, as economically inept as both Whitlam & Fraser, as lacking in tact and bully-ish as Keating, as much as loving to play on fears for political gain as Howard, as internally control-freaking as Rudd and as fragmented and divided internally as the Gillard era.
Must mean you were a fan of Bob Hawke?
:cheers
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bill shorten will never beat Abbott in a federal election
"a drover's dog could lead the Labor Party to victory, the way the country is". Bill Hayden March 1983
:lol
Actually watched the first part of that political series last night about Australia's economic change from the late 60s/early 70s to now (the first part stopped at the late 80s). A lesson that to be a 'successful' government you not only need luck as far as the state of the global economy but you also need to be pragmatic, move with the times, and seek and achieve consensus before trying to pass and implement major reform. Abbott, of course, is the antithesis of all this. He combines the worst traits of all previous PMs/governments that went before him in modern times into one. As staunchly ideologically driven no matter what as Whitlam, as stubborn as Fraser at opposing and refusing to accept the changing social/economic/technological times, as economically inept as both Whitlam & Fraser, as lacking in tact and bully-ish as Keating, as much as loving to play on fears for political gain as Howard, as internally control-freaking as Rudd and as fragmented and divided internally as the Gillard era.
Must mean you were a fan of Bob Hawkes?
:cheers
Who's Bob Hawkes?
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bill shorten will never beat Abbott in a federal election
"a drover's dog could lead the Labor Party to victory, the way the country is". Bill Hayden March 1983
:lol
Actually watched the first part of that political series last night about Australia's economic change from the late 60s/early 70s to now (the first part stopped at the late 80s). A lesson that to be a 'successful' government you not only need luck as far as the state of the global economy but you also need to be pragmatic, move with the times, and seek and achieve consensus before trying to pass and implement major reform. Abbott, of course, is the antithesis of all this. He combines the worst traits of all previous PMs/governments that went before him in modern times into one. As staunchly ideologically driven no matter what as Whitlam, as stubborn as Fraser at opposing and refusing to accept the changing social/economic/technological times, as economically inept as both Whitlam & Fraser, as lacking in tact and bully-ish as Keating, as much as loving to play on fears for political gain as Howard, as internally control-freaking as Rudd and as fragmented and divided internally as the Gillard era.
Must mean you were a fan of Bob Hawke?
:cheers
Who's Bob Hawke?
ex PM of Australia.
Rhodes scholar and good bloke (you just ask him)
:cheers
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Is he really that stupid?
Has the Age been reading my posts?
:lol
Prime Minister Tony Abbott canvasses prospect of double dissolution election
Date March 19, 2015 - 7:36AM
Tony Abbott and some of his cabinet ministers have canvassed the prospect of an early double dissolution election to be held in the next few months.
A minister who was present at the discussion over a private dinner on Monday night said that the idea was talked about but "not under serious contemplation".
And the Prime Minister told Fairfax Media that "the government intends to serve a full term".
"The concern is that Tony might consider it to forestall any move against his leadership," said a minister.
"Given his increasing desperation, there could be a rush to the Governor-General," with the implication that Mr Abbott would gamble government to preserve his position.
The scenario canvassed at dinner was that the government would bring down its second budget in May and then quickly call a double dissolution election, ostensibly to clear an obstructionist Senate.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/prime-minister-tony-abbott-canvasses-prospect-of-double-dissolution-election-20150319-1m2dvu.html
Edit: Include link next time, '65
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why would the age bother reading your posts when they are just cut and paste of their articles?
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why would the age bother reading your posts when they are just cut and paste of their articles?
No no need to get abusive, I posted this before the idea broke in the papers.
Lots of good news coming out of the Federal Government at the moment.
The budget looks like being more good news.
Is Abbott silly enough to then call an early election.
That would certainly kill any challenge to his leadership. Either he wins the election and gets to remain Prime Minister or he loses the election which will stop Turnbull becoming Prime Minister.
:cheers
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Speaking of epiphanies.......
I wouldn't want Dan to rip up the EW contract due to the effect it will have on others, but if he does it will prove how pathetic the ALP are, that they would throw money down the drain on something most Victorians want if you asked them.
Perhaps the Libs who negotiated and signed the contract could have been a bit more competent than expose the taxpayers to a 1 billion get out clause? Pretty incompetent If you ask me.
And then there was.....
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/east-west-link-consortium-drafted-deal-to-guarantee-compensation-for-dumped-road-20150318-1m2c7u.html
A special deal guaranteeing hundreds of millions of dollars of compensation for the dumped East West Link was initially drafted by the consortium contracted to deliver the $6.8 billion toll road, which would ultimately benefit. Senior sources close to the project have confirmed the Napthine government was so keen to reassure East West Connect it would get its money following a Labor promise to scrap the project it asked the consortium to draft a so-called side letter guaranteeing taxpayer-funded compensation even in the absence of a valid contract.
And :-
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/liberals-are-not-better-economic-managers-20150318-1m1we2.html
Perhaps the politics thread could be left to those with a balanced insight on what is happening behind the scenes, like Dooks and 65 ;)
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Perhaps the politics thread could be left to those with a balanced insight on what is happening behind the scenes, like Dooks and 65 ;)
Would be a boring old thread.
:lol
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Abbotts second Nazi quip in a month :nope
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/tony-abbott-sparks-furore-after-linking-bill-shorten-with-dr-joseph-goebbels-in-nazi-slur/story-fni0xqrb-1227269610994
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-calls-bill-shorten-the-dr-goebbels-of-economic-policy-20150319-1m31vz.html
Have another onion Tone
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That is odd....usually it's the left who jump to compare political opponents to old Adolf and his laughing boys...
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bill shorten will never beat Abbott in a federal election
"a drover's dog could lead the Labor Party to victory, the way the country is". Bill Hayden March 1983
:lol
Actually watched the first part of that political series last night about Australia's economic change from the late 60s/early 70s to now (the first part stopped at the late 80s). A lesson that to be a 'successful' government you not only need luck as far as the state of the global economy but you also need to be pragmatic, move with the times, and seek and achieve consensus before trying to pass and implement major reform. Abbott, of course, is the antithesis of all this. He combines the worst traits of all previous PMs/governments that went before him in modern times into one. As staunchly ideologically driven no matter what as Whitlam, as stubborn as Fraser at opposing and refusing to accept the changing social/economic/technological times, as economically inept as both Whitlam & Fraser, as lacking in tact and bully-ish as Keating, as much as loving to play on fears for political gain as Howard, as internally control-freaking as Rudd and as fragmented and divided internally as the Gillard era.
Must mean you were a fan of Bob Hawke?
:cheers
I do think Hawke was the best PM in my lifetime but I left him out as I couldn't think of a trait he and Abbott share as respective PMs.
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A boost for the Libs in the latest poll puts them only 2 points behind at 51-49.
A win in NSW, a friendly Budget and then watch out for a double dissolution.
:thumbsup
Lots of good news coming out of the Federal Government at the moment.
The budget looks like being more good news.
Is Abbott silly enough to then call an early election.
That would certainly kill any challenge to his leadership. Either he wins the election and gets to remain Prime Minister or he loses the election which will stop Turnbull becoming Prime Minister.
:cheers
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A boost for the Libs in the latest poll puts them only 2 points behind at 51-49.
A win in NSW, a friendly Budget and then watch out for a double dissolution.
:thumbsup
Lots of good news coming out of the Federal Government at the moment.
The budget looks like being more good news.
Is Abbott silly enough to then call an early election.
That would certainly kill any challenge to his leadership. Either he wins the election and gets to remain Prime Minister or he loses the election which will stop Turnbull becoming Prime Minister.
:cheers
getting a tad nervous 65, it seems.
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It really makes little to no difference which side of the political duopoly governs and only fools believe otherwise. So bearing that in mind, I want Abbott re-elected as PM just to the read ol' 65's reaction.
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A boost for the Libs in the latest poll puts them only 2 points behind at 51-49.
A win in NSW, a friendly Budget and then watch out for a double dissolution.
:thumbsup
Lots of good news coming out of the Federal Government at the moment.
The budget looks like being more good news.
Is Abbott silly enough to then call an early election.
That would certainly kill any challenge to his leadership. Either he wins the election and gets to remain Prime Minister or he loses the election which will stop Turnbull becoming Prime Minister.
:cheers
getting a tad nervous 65, it seems.
About what?
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A boost for the Libs in the latest poll puts them only 2 points behind at 51-49.
A win in NSW, a friendly Budget and then watch out for a double dissolution.
:thumbsup
Lots of good news coming out of the Federal Government at the moment.
The budget looks like being more good news.
Is Abbott silly enough to then call an early election.
That would certainly kill any challenge to his leadership. Either he wins the election and gets to remain Prime Minister or he loses the election which will stop Turnbull becoming Prime Minister.
:cheers
getting a tad nervous 65, it seems.
About what?
The increasing chance of having to change your favourite line to "Two-Term Tony"?
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A boost for the Libs in the latest poll puts them only 2 points behind at 51-49.
A win in NSW, a friendly Budget and then watch out for a double dissolution.
:thumbsup
Lots of good news coming out of the Federal Government at the moment.
The budget looks like being more good news.
Is Abbott silly enough to then call an early election.
That would certainly kill any challenge to his leadership. Either he wins the election and gets to remain Prime Minister or he loses the election which will stop Turnbull becoming Prime Minister.
:cheers
getting a tad nervous 65, it seems.
About what?
your impending defeat at the hands of the Machiavellian establishment ;D
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The increasing chance of having to change your favourite line to "Two-Term Tony"?
Already changed from One-term Tony to Half-term Tony.
:lol
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https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/26782924/bandt-criticised-for-child-bride-comment/
your mate 65?
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https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/26782924/bandt-criticised-for-child-bride-comment/
your mate 65?
Hate the Greens more than I hate Abbott.
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The worst PM in history has to go.
Why is the government lying to Rosie Batty?
March 26, 2015 - 1:17AM
Jenna Price
Rosie Batty now knows first hand that the federal government is deceiving Australians about domestic violence.
The Australian Of the Year says she has been told repeatedly by both the Prime Minister and the Minister assisting him, Michaelia Cash, that there are no front line domestic violence services being cut.
But she has just returned from Mildura and seen with her own eyes that the one full-time lawyer specialising in intervention orders and family violence will finish work on June 30.
"I've been told repeatedly there are no front line services being cut. This is my first journey into the country and that tells me different."
She has a list of many more.
In Victoria alone, 13 community legal centres will have to cut legal services. Just one, Yarra Ranges CLC, was saved from the deep cuts – the result of the local MP Tony Smith personally advocating to the Attorney-General George Brandis.
"I stood next to the federal member who represents Mildura [Andrew Broad] and I wonder what he has done to advocate for his town," she said.
These cuts are being played out all over Australia. If only Rosie Batty could take the Prime Minister with her to see what's happening in these centres.
Those working in community legal centres and on the front line of domestic violence work in NSW were forced to hold a crisis meeting in Sydney on Tuesday. Liana Buchanan, executive office of the Federation of Community Legal Centres Victoria, who ran the meeting, said she heard first hand of the huge cuts to domestic violence legal work and the impact it will have on regional communities.
"Women will not be able to get help to escape domestic violence because centres won't be able to provide intervention order support.
"Women will have to face court and their abusers on their own," she said.
Tracey Willow, the CEO of Far West Community Legal Centre (FWCLC), flew to and from Broken Hill in one day to get to the meeting. She says it's a last ditch effort to save the jobs of those who save lives. She too could show the Prime Minister front line workers losing their jobs – half of those who work in FWCLC will go.
On Monday alone, her centre dealt with the terrifying case of a woman whose mentally ill husband had abducted their daughter. There are no family violence orders in place and the mother is completely distraught, begging for help.
Michelle Kable, the program coordinator of Forbes Family Violence Prevention Legal Service, says her team regularly works a 10 to 12 hour day dealing with the chaos of domestic violence. Her service's funding has only been renewed for 12 months – just long enough to get to next year. Very few of the Family Violence Prevention Legal Services across Australia have been funded for anything longer than 12 months.
Only the very sceptical would imagine that the federal government thinks we might stop worrying about domestic violence after Batty's term as Australian of the Year expires.
Angela Pollard, the manager of Northern Rivers Community Legal Centre, said: "The cuts will see hundreds of people miss out on free legal advice. These people have already reached crisis point, many of them are Aboriginal, have disabilities and are women and children escaping domestic violence."
This year in Australia, 24 women have died in violent circumstances. Just going through the list of those names is chilling. In so many cases, those charged were known to the victim. Now, the only protection offered to the lives of women all over Australia is being shattered.
And it's being broken by the Prime Minister and the Attorney-General. The cuts to community legal centres and family violence prevention legal services will cut deep and cut soon. From July 1, terrified women all over Australia will be turned back from legal centres, no lawyers to help.
Here's what the Federal Attorney-General's spokesperson said when asked about the cuts. It's the same response trotted out by the members of this government when asked to explain the slashed funding: "The Australian Government is committed to protecting the most vulnerable members of our community, including victims of domestic violence.
"Over the next four years, the Australian Government will provide $1.3 billion to support front‑line legal services to vulnerable people. "
But here's the truth. This government has spent millions of dollars on the Trade Union Royal Commission; on the pink batts Royal Commission. It spent $688 million on its own legal services in 2013 to 2014.
In two years time, community legal centres will receive funding of just $32 million, only three quarters of the money they receive now, just over $44 million.
And this government can't find just $10 million to fight the terror that victims of domestic violence experience every single day.
http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-is-the-government-lying-to-rosie-batty-20150325-1m6yhz.html
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65 quiet yet again
Baird remains and I'm pretty you told us he wouldn't
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A boost for the Libs in the latest poll puts them only 2 points behind at 51-49.
A win in NSW, a friendly Budget and then watch out for a double dissolution.
:thumbsup
Looks like I was predicting a Liberal win but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story. :lol
Been out to the theatre and saw the worst play I have seen at the MTC in the 40 years I have been going.
Play called "Endgame" by Samuel Beckett.
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Politics mate not play reviews. Lol
Just winding you up had no idea who you predicted but not such a good result for your side.
The Abbott effect is becoming less and less as each day passes, mainly due to the fact rat shorton is not suitable as a PM. Surely you agree with this?
What does he stand for?
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Politics mate not play reviews. Lol
Just winding you up had no idea who you predicted but not such a good result for your side.
The Abbott effect is becoming less and less as each day passes, mainly due to the fact rat shorton is not suitable as a PM. Surely you agree with this?
What does he stand for?
Once again...
I am not a Labor voter.
I am anti-Abbott, he is the worst PM in my memory.
End of story.
How intelligent people can vote for him beggars belief.
:cheers
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Interesting that the Libs are keeping the double dissolution trigger alive by refusing to scrap their Uni deregulation laws.
A good result in NSW, a friendly budget coming up and watch out.
:lol
Group of 8 withdraws support for further compromise on university deregulation
Date March 31, 2015 - 1:09PM
Latika Bourke
National political reporter
Elite unis strike a blow to Pyne's reforms
Christopher Pyne's bid to deregulate tertiary fees has suffered a major setback with the influential Group of Eight universities withdrawing support for any more compromises aimed at securing crossbench support.
The powerful coalition of Australia's leading universities, which has been a key backer of the government's proposals, said on Tuesday the federal Education Minister's original package to uncap tertiary fees is being watered down to the point where the compromises being made to secure hostile Senate votes is defeating the purpose.
CEO of the Group of Eight Vicki Thomson called for a depoliticised back-to-basics review instead of a third attempt to pass the legislation but the self-declared political "Fixer," Mr Pyne, immediately ruled this out via Twitter.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/group-of-8-withdraws-support-for-further-compromise-on-university-deregulation-20150331-1mbjwy.html
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Well done both parties on this significant change to the health of our children
No jab no pay.
Good luck with that.
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When the pollies put aside their partisan cheerleading, they can come up with decent ideas such as 'no jab no pay' and a national register for perpetrators of domestic violence. The problem is on other major issues it's rare to get such unanimous agreement.
Barnett is wishfully thinking if he thinks the other states will give up their current slice of the GST.
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What a bare faced lying prick.
:banghead
Treasurer Joe Hockey refuses to set surplus date as economy struggles
Date April 20, 2015 - 8:33AM
Judith Ireland and Gareth Hutchens
Treasurer Joe Hockey has refused to name a date for a surplus, arguing the Coalition just needs to show a "quality trajectory" for getting back to black as a new report shows the Abbott government's "budget repair job" has become even tougher.
Just weeks before he hands down his make-or-break second budget, Mr Hockey said that the government would deliver a surplus "as soon as possible" but declined to set any time frame.
"We never put a date on returning to surplus," he told the ABC's Insiders on Sunday, adding that the government was "aiming at" smaller deficits.
The Treasurer also cast doubt on whether the government would introduce a so-called "Google tax", widely tipped to be part of the budget. Mr Hockey said that unlike Great Britain, which has recently introduced a tax on multinational companies that shift profits overseas, "Australia does not need to impose a new tax".
This comes as Deloitte Economics' well-respected quarterly Business Outlook paints a bleak picture of the Australian economy. It shows pressures are continuing to mount on commodity prices and resource construction, just as Australia's state and federal government are losing their appetite for fiscal repair.
This uncertainty, combined with record-low wages and salaries growth, volatile profits, and an accelerating fall-off in mining construction, has made it even harder for the government to repair the budget.
"Politics is cruelling efforts at state and federal budget repair, while the economy is hurting the fiscal outlook further," the Deloitte report, released on Monday, warns.
"That combination says the repair task has grown, but the appetite to tackle it has faltered. Given that backdrop, the projected repair in fiscal finances ... is looking increasingly hard to achieve."
Mr Hockey's refusal to put a time frame on a surplus sits in stark contrast to clear Coalition pledges before the 2013 election that it would deliver a surplus in its first year in office and "every year after that", based on budget numbers at the time.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasurer-joe-hockey-refuses-to-set-surplus-date-as-economy-struggles-20150419-1mo8pn.html
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Treasurer Joe Hockey has refused to name a date for a surplus, arguing the Coalition just needs to show a "quality trajectory" for getting back to black as a new report shows the Abbott government's "budget repair job" has become even tougher.
Just weeks before he hands down his make-or-break second budget, Mr Hockey said that the government would deliver a surplus "as soon as possible" but declined to set any time frame.
"We never put a date on returning to surplus," he told the ABC's Insiders on Sunday, adding that the government was "aiming at" smaller deficits.
It was only two years ago Hockey promised that in government he would deliver a surplus in their first year and every year after that :wallywink.
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Come on did you really think there was going to be a budget surplus? Haha
You CAN NOT always budget for a surplus. There's a world outside Australia! Sometimes it's wise to accept that you will have a deficit and make sure you're spending money on the right things.
Such a shame the mining boom is gone and the profits were effectively wasted. They should have been invested in infrastructure that would have seen our economy still growing today...
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Come on did you really think there was going to be a budget surplus? Haha
You CAN NOT always budget for a surplus. There's a world outside Australia! Sometimes it's wise to accept that you will have a deficit and make sure you're spending money on the right things.
Such a shame the mining boom is gone and the profits were effectively wasted. They should have been invested in infrastructure that would have seen our economy still growing today...
Most people didn't but our pollies still promised imaginary surpluses to con people into voting for them and, for this government, to con people into accepting blind ideology and numerous broken promises. It's failed so far as a result.
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Come on did you really think there was going to be a budget surplus? Haha
You CAN NOT always budget for a surplus. There's a world outside Australia! Sometimes it's wise to accept that you will have a deficit and make sure you're spending money on the right things.
Such a shame the mining boom is gone and the profits were effectively wasted. They should have been invested in infrastructure that would have seen our economy still growing today...
Most people didn't but our pollies still promised imaginary surpluses to con people into voting for them and, for this government, to con people into accepting blind ideology and numerous broken promises. It's failed so far as a result.
Actually most people DID buy into the idea of a budget surplus, no matter how far-fetched. That's why we have a Liberal government!
Frustrating too since you can't reason with these people. They're like religious zealots - they get sucked into the fear of the propaganda...
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Bit quiet over here lately.
Very good budget IMO. Small business are the big winners. Welfare cuts at the top end too.
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:lol
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Thought so 65. Must hurt to see something fair for all to that repairs this deficit of ours. I guess you have nothing to whinge about
No more double dipping mat leave
Plans for tax avoidance by multi nationals
Welfare cuts at the pointy end
Overseas workers will no longer enjoy a tax free component on money earnt.
Small companies tax cuts
The list goes on..
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Safe budget. Keeps the voters happy but at the end of the day the deficit is still blowing out. But in terms in keeping food on my own table, I have a good boss and work for a great small company and we regularly get looked after with regular pay rises, hansom bonuses, extra days off if needed, Medallion club tickets etc, so as long as the budget looks after my boss then it's business as usual and to be quite honest that's all I care about.
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Lots of good news coming out of the Federal Government at the moment.
The budget looks like being more good news.
Is Abbott silly enough to then call an early election.
That would certainly kill any challenge to his leadership. Either he wins the election and gets to remain Prime Minister or he loses the election which will stop Turnbull becoming Prime Minister.
:cheers
As predicted this is an election budget. He will go to the polls if he thinks he has half a chance.
Either he wins (and stops Turnbull) or he loses and Labor inherit a massive debt and deficit problem.
:cheers
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Yep some good stuff in there, would like the welfare cuts to be a bit harsher, don't go hard enough but hey it's a start.
Still not enough for pensioners at the lower end but again better than what they offered last year
Note it's supposed to be about jobs but one thing that would guarantee one lot of jobs and that's building submarines in this country and it appears to have been ignored, so there jobs going right there. Just like this week at the Navy ship building fatory in Williamstown that's about to cease - 80 people will be put off in the next few weeks. You cannot spruik jobs and then do nothing to ensure jobs remain in areas you can clearly control. I don't want defence force assets where possible built in Australia not off shore.
But to demand the $1.5b back from the East West project is nothing short of abhorrent because it's nothing more than playing politics. How pathetic
What Tony & Joe don't seem to understand or more to the point want to accept that is rightly or wrongly the when we (you know us the public) voted for a change of govt we voted for that project being axed. It was a policy, a promise and lo and behold one that wasn't broken...
Facts are the majority of the people spoke and Fed Govt should respect that but no not the boys in Canberra. Who are they are trying to get back at? An ALP govt or the public. Have to ask why should we the public be punished because Tone & Joey are not getting their way? There are plenty of other infrastructure projects in the pipeline that are just as important but they don't count because .....
As with most budgets has no great impact on me & my family but compared to last year's disgrace it's a lot better. As I said there is some good things in the budget and it's start
Have to agree with 1965, definitely an election budget ....will be interesting to see if people buy it
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Let's hope they don't get control of the Senate.
The lying bastards would really screw the little people then.
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so you think the public voted over the east west link WP? All the voters like myself in the south east went to the polls on the back of the link? Can tell you the majority of people did not vote on the back of the link, and their decision was made up well before election day.
WP the 1.5 was for the east-west link project. It would be breaking a promise if the federal government would then give the money for some other project which they will most likely screw up like the desal plant.
Unfortunately you will have to suck it up just like dan the man and find something else to moan about.
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so you think the public voted over the east west link WP? All the voters like myself in the south east went to the polls on the back of the link? Can tell you the majority of people did not vote on the back of the link, and their decision was made up well before election day.
WP the 1.5 was for the east-west link project. It would be breaking a promise if the federal government would then give the money for some other project which they will most likely screw up like the desal plant.
Unfortunately you will have to suck it up just like dan the man and find something else to moan about.
:lol
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so you think the public voted over the east west link WP? All the voters like myself in the south east went to the polls on the back of the link? Can tell you the majority of people did not vote on the back of the link, and their decision was made up well before election day.
WP the 1.5 was for the east-west link project. It would be breaking a promise if the federal government would then give the money for some other project which they will most likely screw up like the desal plant.
Unfortunately you will have to suck it up just like dan the man and find something else to moan about.
Angus,
Facts are Andrews went to an election with a number of promises. One of which was to axe the East-West project.
Again the fact is his party won a clear majority not a minority a clear majority to form a government based on his promises and policies. Every man and his dog knew that if the ALP got elected the EWcproject would get scrapped. Like it or not that promise has been kept and it was scraped
So if people were so outraged at the prospect of this project being given the flick under the ALP then they shouldn't have voted for them. Let's be honest here if people wanted it to go ahead, viewed as being that important the result would have different. but people made a choice to get rid of an inept government that did secret deals regarding this project and as a consequence the tunnel project went as well. That is what the result said and that's what has happened
My point is the Fed government should respect the decision made those who matter and that's the voters. Don't like result? Bad luck suck it up and except it rather than playing petty politics and grandstanding. Which is what they are doing
I would have thought at the next Fed Election Victoria is going to be pivotal wouldn't think Tony would not want to alienate voters more than he already has but the. But then again Tony's record speaks for itself when it comes to not accepting the will of the electorate
And are you really that naive to think that if Dr Napthine or a coalition govt in another state did a backflip and said we are going to build a rail line out to say Tulla airport instead that Tone would ask for the money back
You and I both know he wouldn't and that's the issue here. So please don't make it about which side of politics one may or may not follow.
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This is how Labor will return to Surplus.
http://www.theage.com.au/money/investing/the-real-budget-winners-20150513-gh0nns.html
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so you think the public voted over the east west link WP? All the voters like myself in the south east went to the polls on the back of the link? Can tell you the majority of people did not vote on the back of the link, and their decision was made up well before election day.
WP the 1.5 was for the east-west link project. It would be breaking a promise if the federal government would then give the money for some other project which they will most likely screw up like the desal plant.
Unfortunately you will have to suck it up just like dan the man and find something else to moan about.
Angus,
Facts are Andrews went to an election with a number of promises. One of which was to axe the East-West project.
Again the fact is his party won a clear majority not a minority a clear majority to form a government based on his promises and policies. Every man and his dog knew that if the ALP got elected the EWcproject would get scrapped. Like it or not that promise has been kept and it was scraped
So if people were so outraged at the prospect of this project being given the flick under the ALP then they shouldn't have voted for them. Let's be honest here if people wanted it to go ahead, viewed as being that important the result would have different. but people made a choice to get rid of an inept government that did secret deals regarding this project and as a consequence the tunnel project went as well. That is what the result said and that's what has happened
My point is the Fed government should respect the decision made those who matter and that's the voters. Don't like result? Bad luck suck it up and except it rather than playing petty politics and grandstanding. Which is what they are doing
I would have thought at the next Fed Election Victoria is going to be pivotal wouldn't think Tony would not want to alienate voters more than he already has but the. But then again Tony's record speaks for itself when it comes to not accepting the will of the electorate
And are you really that naive to think that if Dr Napthine or a coalition govt in another state did a backflip and said we are going to build a rail line out to say Tulla airport instead that Tone would ask for the money back
You and I both know he wouldn't and that's the issue here. So please don't make it about which side of politics one may or may not follow.
i never once said Tone wasnt playing politics, you did. They all do it. I said the funding was for the east west link not another project.
No point discussing it as we all know the funding will get passed on at some point soon.
Also on the link i hear what you are saying but a few times you have alluded to the fact it was a vote based on that project.
Perhaps for a minority of voters in that electorate, but most victorians went to the polls and knew who they would vote. The link meant very little.
This is how Labor will return to Surplus.
http://www.theage.com.au/money/investing/the-real-budget-winners-20150513-gh0nns.html
so did they announce those changes in the budget reply or when they were in power last time or the one before.
Negative gearing stays and and so it should. A powerful tax reduction initiative in my opinion. Didnt the ALP try to can it in the 80's and then changed their mind again?
No government would tinker with this because most of them are the chief beneficiaries of it.
One thing they should do and i agree is cut the super concessions at the top end. Tax free concessions for those with 2 mil plus balances is not right, but will your mates do it. Doubt it as once again will effect them but i would love to see it happen.
Think its time you sit back and enjoy the ride 65 and start to embrace big joe's paper.
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Right on cue WP
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victoria-could-yet-keep-15-billion-of-federal-government-funds-designated-for-scrapped-east-west-link/story-fnlmwwr9-1227355738180
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so you think the public voted over the east west link WP? All the voters like myself in the south east went to the polls on the back of the link? Can tell you the majority of people did not vote on the back of the link, and their decision was made up well before election day.
WP the 1.5 was for the east-west link project. It would be breaking a promise if the federal government would then give the money for some other project which they will most likely screw up like the desal plant.
Unfortunately you will have to suck it up just like dan the man and find something else to moan about.
Angus,
Facts are Andrews went to an election with a number of promises. One of which was to axe the East-West project.
Again the fact is his party won a clear majority not a minority a clear majority to form a government based on his promises and policies. Every man and his dog knew that if the ALP got elected the EWcproject would get scrapped. Like it or not that promise has been kept and it was scraped
So if people were so outraged at the prospect of this project being given the flick under the ALP then they shouldn't have voted for them. Let's be honest here if people wanted it to go ahead, viewed as being that important the result would have different. but people made a choice to get rid of an inept government that did secret deals regarding this project and as a consequence the tunnel project went as well. That is what the result said and that's what has happened
My point is the Fed government should respect the decision made those who matter and that's the voters. Don't like result? Bad luck suck it up and except it rather than playing petty politics and grandstanding. Which is what they are doing
I would have thought at the next Fed Election Victoria is going to be pivotal wouldn't think Tony would not want to alienate voters more than he already has but the. But then again Tony's record speaks for itself when it comes to not accepting the will of the electorate
And are you really that naive to think that if Dr Napthine or a coalition govt in another state did a backflip and said we are going to build a rail line out to say Tulla airport instead that Tone would ask for the money back
You and I both know he wouldn't and that's the issue here. So please don't make it about which side of politics one may or may not follow.
i never once said Tone wasnt playing politics, you did. They all do it. I said the funding was for the east west link not another project.
No point discussing it as we all know the funding will get passed on at some point soon.
Also on the link i hear what you are saying but a few times you have alluded to the fact it was a vote based on that project.
Perhaps for a minority of voters in that electorate, but most victorians went to the polls and knew who they would vote. The link meant very little.
This is how Labor will return to Surplus.
http://www.theage.com.au/money/investing/the-real-budget-winners-20150513-gh0nns.html
so did they announce those changes in the budget reply or when they were in power last time or the one before.
Negative gearing stays and and so it should. A powerful tax reduction initiative in my opinion. Didnt the ALP try to can it in the 80's and then changed their mind again?
No government would tinker with this because most of them are the chief beneficiaries of it.
One thing they should do and i agree is cut the super concessions at the top end. Tax free concessions for those with 2 mil plus balances is not right, but will your mates do it. Doubt it as once again will effect them but i would love to see it happen.
Think its time you sit back and enjoy the ride 65 and start to embrace big joe's paper.
The ALP did can negative gearing in the 80s.
the result was people stopped investing in property.
-> The building industry collapsed.
-> Rents sky rocketed
they reintroduced it not too long after
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The ALP did can negative gearing in the 80s.
the result was people stopped investing in property.
-> The building industry collapsed.
-> Rents sky rocketed
they reintroduced it not too long after
Rubbish.
Rents went up in Perth and Sydney but nowhere else.
http://www.afr.com/real-estate/residential/compelling-case-to-end-negative-gearing-says-saul-eslake-20140930-119m0e
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according to one mammon loving israelite.
why did they reistate then?
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of course saul doent explain why the rental vacancies were only 2%, 2 years after negative gearing was scrapped. I wouldnt have anything to do with people stopping investing in properties would it?
nor does he mention that housing prices didnt fall compared to income, while rentals v income rose?
selective use and very little info given. what is he talking about? median? top end rents? bottom end rents? plus no mention of the effect it had on the building industry.
perhaps you should actually gather info and form your own opinions rather just parroting newspaper articles all the time?
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words
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If you take away the newspaper articles though, what's left?
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Paper to wipe your nether regions. Pretty much what it's like with the words in the case of The Age.
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Paper to wipe your nether regions. Pretty much what it's like with the words in the case of The Age.
Herald sun wouldn't be your first choice?
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I could just imagine 65 teaching English classes and giving all the kids A+s for simply handing in someone else's work verbatim
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so you think the public voted over the east west link WP? All the voters like myself in the south east went to the polls on the back of the link? Can tell you the majority of people did not vote on the back of the link, and their decision was made up well before election day.
WP the 1.5 was for the east-west link project. It would be breaking a promise if the federal government would then give the money for some other project which they will most likely screw up like the desal plant.
Unfortunately you will have to suck it up just like dan the man and find something else to moan about.
The Abbott government has already changed what that money was originally allocated for. It (the full $3 million) was originally designed for the Melbourne Metro rail tunnel which was considered the highest priority infrastructure project for Victoria by Infrastructure Australia. Yet anti-rail Abbott came along and moved the money to fund East-West link (despite its kept secret joke of a business case) and with Napthine scrapped the Melbourne Metro rail tunnel. This was despite Baillieu and the state Libs promising to build the MMRT at the 2010 state election (remember all the bayside seats voted Liberal at the 2010 state election based on public transport being a biggest issue and put the LNP into power). With Napthine wanting EWL which does nothing for those down in bayside/southern suburbs, all those seats dumped the Libs. Of course, Abbott said pre-state election that the election was a "referendum on EWL", yet in typical Abbott fashion has and continues to ignore the will of the majority of the people ::). Now, Abbott and Hockey are making up crap about Federal governments shouldn't fund urban rail :facepalm. Only in Australia would you get senior politicians saying that "Rail isn't isn't our core business" as Hockey did on radio yesterday :facepalm. So while major cities around world such as London, New York, etc are expanding their rail networks in a major way to cope with city congestion, we have these two morons running the country who are still living back in the 1950s/60s ::).
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Paper to wipe your nether regions. Pretty much what it's like with the words in the case of The Age.
Herald sun wouldn't be your first choice?
Nope. Dislike it just as much but for different reasons.
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Double dissolution coming up.
Heaven help us if these mongrels get control of both houses.
Fairfax-Ipsos poll: Coalition draws 50-50 with Labor, Abbott approval soars
Date May 17, 2015 - 7:49PM
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
The Abbott government's second budget has strengthened the Prime Minister's grip on the leadership and shored up the position of his embattled Treasurer, Joe Hockey, with support for the Coalition rising dramatically since last month.
In a stunning reversal of fortunes, the government has now pulled even with the Labor opposition, answering internal critics and increasing the prospect of an early election in the second half of 2015, should Tony Abbott decide to capitalise on the electoral recovery.
It is the best result for the Abbott government in more than a year
Mr Abbott has also shot into the lead as the preferred prime minister ahead of Labor's Bill Shorten.
At 44-39, it is the first time Mr Abbott has led on that index since April 2014 and the first time the government has been in a potentially election-winning position since February of that year.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fairfaxipsos-poll-coalition-draws-5050-with-labor-abbott-approval-soars-20150517-gh3ok8.html
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give up 65.
Big smoking Joe on qanda next monday, should be a good one. Shame its filmed in Sydney that show we could have car pooled 65.
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Another reason why Tony will call a double dissolution.
"The Killing Season" will be shown over 3 Tuesday nights starting June 9 and will remind voters of the Gillard Rudd mess.
http://www.news.com.au/national/julia-gillard-and-kevin-rudd-savage-over-labor-leadership-in-new-abc-interview-series/story-e6frfkp9-1227348668925
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There is as much chance of a double dissolution as there is of RFC winning the flag this year and Hardwick being named Coach of the Year.
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:lol
May as well add that there will be no more posts in the sack Hardwick thread as well
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:snidegrin
Pretty much Chucky!
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How funny is it that the Libs have racked up just as much debt as Labor in 5 months post GFC as the ALP during worse times. And then some more.
Yet the rusted on LIB voters (aka the 'aspirational class') still whine about this budget being needed to correct Labors debt. No one else's.
And of course, the aspirational class's understanding of global economics and the countries economy, is that it's simply run like a 'small business' with no macro economic factors, so hey aspirational class, you get it! Have 20k in tax breaks. Vote for us! We talk the same language! :snidegrin
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Hey '65 since I don't pay any attention to the rabble of a Labor party could you give me a run down on the Albanese/Shorten power struggle.
Feel free to post in articles on a mass scale
Thanks
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:lol
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Hey '65 since I don't pay any attention to the rabble of a Labor party could you give me a run down on the Albanese/Shorten power struggle.
Feel free to post in articles on a mass scale
Thanks
Is that the best you can do?
:cheers
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Hey '65 since I don't pay any attention to the rabble of a Labor party could you give me a run down on the Albanese/Shorten power struggle.
Feel free to post in articles on a mass scale
Thanks
Is that the best you can do?
:cheers
I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter and was just encouraging use of your most favourite method of posting
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Hey '65 since I don't pay any attention to the rabble of a Labor party could you give me a run down on the Albanese/Shorten power struggle.
Feel free to post in articles on a mass scale
Thanks
Is that the best you can do?
:cheers
I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter and was just encouraging use of your most favourite method of posting
Read like a bit of baiting to me.
Mods, ban this mongrel.
:lol
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Hey '65 since I don't pay any attention to the rabble of a Labor party could you give me a run down on the Albanese/Shorten power struggle.
Feel free to post in articles on a mass scale
Thanks
Is that the best you can do?
:cheers
I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter and was just encouraging use of your most favourite method of posting
Read like a bit of baiting to me.
Mods, ban this mongrel.
:lol
Nope curiosity is what is was, no need to answer the question if you dont want to though
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Hey '65 since I don't pay any attention to the rabble of a Labor party could you give me a run down on the Albanese/Shorten power struggle.
Feel free to post in articles on a mass scale
Thanks
Is that the best you can do?
:cheers
I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter and was just encouraging use of your most favourite method of posting
Read like a bit of baiting to me.
Mods, ban this mongrel.
:lol
Nope curiosity is what is was, no need to answer the question if you dont want to though
Media beat up
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Hey '65 since I don't pay any attention to the rabble of a Labor party could you give me a run down on the Albanese/Shorten power struggle.
Feel free to post in articles on a mass scale
Thanks
Is that the best you can do?
:cheers
I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter and was just encouraging use of your most favourite method of posting
Read like a bit of baiting to me.
Mods, ban this mongrel.
:lol
Nope curiosity is what is was, no need to answer the question if you dont want to though
Media beat up
Ok thanks
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stop quoting each other when replying you pair of nupties
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stop quoting each other when replying you pair of nupties
Ok, noted
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stop quoting each other when replying you pair of nupties
Ok, noted
Me too.
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stop quoting each other when replying you pair of nupties
Ok, noted
Me too.
What's a "nuptie"?
:lol
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stop quoting each other when replying you pair of nupties
Ok, noted
Me too.
What's a "nuptie"?
:lol
Think he meant a numptie
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what's a numptie?
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what's a numptie?
Incorrect spelling for a numpty
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:lol
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Good on Dan gotta start somewhere
These blokes make me sick. A bloody disgrace they are allowed to get away with waft they do
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-government-puts-local-councils-on-notice-over-lavish-executive-salaries/story-fnpp4dl6-1227365923352
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Whack (just for Chucky)
worth a read :lol
Focussing on my 'aggression' ignores the budget
By ABC's Emma Alberici
snipped...
This Government is developing a reputation for saying one thing and hoping no one notices when they do the opposite. Mr Abbott promised to be a better economic manager than his predecessor, but has doubled the deficit, hiked the debt, presided over an increase in the unemployment rate and raised government spending and taxes.
The PM didn't provide mothers with 26 weeks of paid parental leave at replacement wage despite calling this his "signature policy". What happened to spending a week a year in an Indigenous community? The draft amendment for constitutional recognition for Aboriginal people is also eight months (and counting) behind what was promised. Where is that Customs ship that was supposed to be sent out to monitor whaling? Mr Abbott pledged no cuts to education, pensions, the ABC or SBS.
Former treasurer Wayne Swan delivered a budget deficit of $19.4 billion in 2012-13. He projected a deficit marginally better in 2013-14 of $18 billion but just three months later in the Pre-Election Economic and Fiscal Outlook (PEFO), that figure had ballooned to $30 billion. The Finance Office and Treasury blamed volatility in commodity prices and a depressed global growth environment for the downward revision.
It's the same set of events that keeps punching holes in Joe Hockey's estimates. When in opposition, the Treasurer liked to caution that "if debt is the problem then more debt is not the answer", but that mantra has been mothballed right alongside the pledge to repeal section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. Given that such truths are somewhat tricky to explain to a restive electorate still bruised by the 2014 budget, it's become easier to deny the truth, confuse the public message and hope the 24-hour news cycle drowns out any attempts to set the record straight.
If, by chance, a pesky journalist has the audacity to bring it up, call them "aggressive" and "biased".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-27/alberici-focussing-on-my-aggression-ignores-the-budget/6499896
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Talk about being out of touch with reality :facepalm .
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You do realise all politicians do it MT?
It's a loophole that they all take advantage of.
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You do realise all politicians do it MT?
It's a loophole that they all take advantage of.
Yep they all do it but that doesn't excuse Hockey. It's a rort of the system yet this clown has to ask if there's something wrong with it :facepalm. These allowances were meant to be compensation for living away from your home while staying in Canberra; not to feather the nest of pollies and their wives/families to pay the mortgages of a property portfolio >:(. Hockey pays his wife rent on a house he is also co-owner of. So he's effectively paying himself as well as his wife rent so he can claim a taxpayers' allowance. So much for the end of the age of entitlement ::).
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You do realise all politicians do it MT?
It's a loophole that they all take advantage of.
is that really any justification for it?
This is the man who dishes out lines like double dipping in an attempt to denigrate those using the parental leave system as if they are rorting it, while he and his cronies happily rort whenever they can.
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Talk about being out of touch with reality :facepalm .
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Stunning
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For those that missed it
Treasurer Joe Hockey faces grilling on Q&A over this year’s budget
May 26, 2015 7:13am
EMILY MOULTON news.com.au
An audience member asked the Treasurer if he believed it was double dipping when politicians received a $270 a night living-away-from-home allowance, but spent the money on a house owned by their spouse.
“The figures they had was you claimed up to more than $100,000 in allowances relating to that. Did that go into the mortgage?” host Tony Jones asked him.
“Well, Tony, I don’t know. I pay rent,” Mr Hockey replied.
“You pay rent to your wife?” Jones asked.
“Is there a problem with that?” the Treasurer shot back.
Jones then brought the Treasurer back to the original question — whether struggling homeowners would find it acceptable that politicians get a taxpayer-funded subsidy for buying a house.
“Hang on, it is not a taxpayer-funded subsidy because we actually have to rent,” Mr Hockey said.
“So politicians that go to Canberra, they live in their electorates, if they go to Canberra, they pay rent or go to a hotel room.
“I don’t know, does the ABC do that when you travel?” Mr Hockey asked Jones.
“They do, but the hotel is not owned by my wife,” Jones replied.
http://m.couriermail.com.au/entertainment/television/treasurer-joe-hockey-faces-grilling-on-qa-over-this-years-budget/story-fnihmoiz-1227369005759
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You do realise all politicians do it MT?
It's a loophole that they all take advantage of.
is that really any justification for it?
This is the man who dishes out lines like double dipping in an attempt to denigrate those using the parental leave system as if they are rorting it, while he and his cronies happily rort whenever they can.
Im not saying i agree with it Albert. The exact opposite in fact and yes he sounded like a massive tool Monday.
Just thought id mention it to MT in case he forgot that he is not alone in ripping us off.
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You do realise all politicians do it MT?
It's a loophole that they all take advantage of.
is that really any justification for it?
This is the man who dishes out lines like double dipping in an attempt to denigrate those using the parental leave system as if they are rorting it, while he and his cronies happily rort whenever they can.
Im not saying i agree with it Albert. The exact opposite in fact and yes he sounded like a massive tool Monday.
Just thought id mention it to MT in case he forgot that he is not alone in ripping us off.
He did say “Is there a problem with that?”
:cheers
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You do realise all politicians do it MT?
It's a loophole that they all take advantage of.
is that really any justification for it?
This is the man who dishes out lines like double dipping in an attempt to denigrate those using the parental leave system as if they are rorting it, while he and his cronies happily rort whenever they can.
Im not saying i agree with it Albert. The exact opposite in fact and yes he sounded like a massive tool Monday.
Just thought id mention it to MT in case he forgot that he is not alone in ripping us off.
Would it make a difference if he was or wasn't alone in ripping us off?
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The worst PM in my memory (and I go back to Menzies)
Tony Abbott's national security scare campaign hides the truth: he's making a hash of the economy
Date June 30, 2015
Ross Gittins
The Sydney Morning Herald's Economics Editor
Am I the only person who isn't cringing in fear, looking for a rock to hide under and hoping Tony Abbott and Peter Dutton will save us from the tide of terrorism surging towards our shores?
As is their wont, the media are enthusiastically indulging our desire to dwell on all the gruesome details of a spate of terrorist acts in faraway countries of which we know little.
But this seemingly innocent nosiness is leaving us with a quite exaggerated impression of the chances of our ever coming into contact with such an event.
Apparently, all you have to do to be in mortal danger is attend the making of an ABC current affairs program. It's a field day for any attention-seeking nut of Middle Eastern background.
Would you say our Prime Minister is seeking to calm our overblown fears or is playing them for all he's worth?
Precisely. And I'll tell you why. Because he's discovered he's not much chop at leadership - at inspiring us with a vision of a better future, at explaining and justifying necessary but unpopular measures - but he is good at running scare campaigns, to which the Aussie punter seems particularly susceptible.
But, above all, because he wants to divert our attention from the hash he's making of managing the economy.
In opposition, and facing a Labor government that lacked all confidence in its own ability as an economic manager, Abbott assured us the Liberals had good management in their DNA. I thought he had a point, but what we didn't discover until too late was that he and his chosen Treasurer just didn't have that gene in their bodies.
They started by telling us that, apart from the immense damage being done by Labor's carbon and mining taxes, the economy's big problem was the budget, something they, being Libs, could fix in a jiffy.
They had one go at fixing the budget, got themselves into terrible trouble in the polls, then gave up. Pretty much the sole purpose of this year's budget was to reverse their poor political standing by ditching or modifying many of their unpopular policies.
From that day to this, we've heard little more of the evils of debt and deficit. Almost all of what little improvement in the budget deficit is expected will come from bracket creep.
Fortunately, the budget deficit and the still-small level of public debt to which it has given rise was never the central, pressing problem for the economy the oppositional Abbott & Co made it out to be.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-national-security-scare-campaign-hides-the-truth-hes-making-a-hash-of-the-economy-20150630-gi16ie.html
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No posts about Shorten........
......interesting. :whistle
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Yep Australia Greece mk2
And captian Tony (puppet) keeps pumping out the team Australia, death cult, Muslim fear mmongering tripe
How much debt we up to 500 billion? Not enough money in Australia to pay it back either
MORE DEBT THAN MONEY IN AUSTRALIA
Individuals and Businesses
Cash notes $50 billion
Bank deposits $1 000 billion
Bank loans $2 000 billion
Whoops....
The worst PM in my memory (and I go back to Menzies)
Tony Abbott's national security scare campaign hides the truth: he's making a hash of the economy
Date June 30, 2015
Ross Gittins
The Sydney Morning Herald's Economics Editor
Am I the only person who isn't cringing in fear, looking for a rock to hide under and hoping Tony Abbott and Peter Dutton will save us from the tide of terrorism surging towards our shores?
As is their wont, the media are enthusiastically indulging our desire to dwell on all the gruesome details of a spate of terrorist acts in faraway countries of which we know little.
But this seemingly innocent nosiness is leaving us with a quite exaggerated impression of the chances of our ever coming into contact with such an event.
Apparently, all you have to do to be in mortal danger is attend the making of an ABC current affairs program. It's a field day for any attention-seeking nut of Middle Eastern background.
Would you say our Prime Minister is seeking to calm our overblown fears or is playing them for all he's worth?
Precisely. And I'll tell you why. Because he's discovered he's not much chop at leadership - at inspiring us with a vision of a better future, at explaining and justifying necessary but unpopular measures - but he is good at running scare campaigns, to which the Aussie punter seems particularly susceptible.
But, above all, because he wants to divert our attention from the hash he's making of managing the economy.
In opposition, and facing a Labor government that lacked all confidence in its own ability as an economic manager, Abbott assured us the Liberals had good management in their DNA. I thought he had a point, but what we didn't discover until too late was that he and his chosen Treasurer just didn't have that gene in their bodies.
They started by telling us that, apart from the immense damage being done by Labor's carbon and mining taxes, the economy's big problem was the budget, something they, being Libs, could fix in a jiffy.
They had one go at fixing the budget, got themselves into terrible trouble in the polls, then gave up. Pretty much the sole purpose of this year's budget was to reverse their poor political standing by ditching or modifying many of their unpopular policies.
From that day to this, we've heard little more of the evils of debt and deficit. Almost all of what little improvement in the budget deficit is expected will come from bracket creep.
Fortunately, the budget deficit and the still-small level of public debt to which it has given rise was never the central, pressing problem for the economy the oppositional Abbott & Co made it out to be.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-national-security-scare-campaign-hides-the-truth-hes-making-a-hash-of-the-economy-20150630-gi16ie.html
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and a bit about the Shorten royal commission witch hunt...
The lawyers for the government are earning $25 million for their troubles.
And guess which firm was awarded the contract?
"But the biggest winner is possibly law firm Minter Ellison, Attorney-General George Brandis' former employer."
Lawyers enjoy $25 million windfall from unions royal commission
Date July 11, 2015 - 4:21PM
Adam Gartrell
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten emerged battered and bruised from the royal commission into union corruption, facing questions about his credibility and the future of his leadership.
But if Mr Shorten is the inquiry's biggest loser, who's the biggest winner? Tony Abbott? George Brandis? Eric Abetz?
No – it's the lawyers, of course.
Barristers and solicitors are raking in about $25 million of taxpayer cash for their work on the commission – and that doesn't include their expenses.
It's well known that counsel assisting Jeremy Stoljar, who came under fire from Labor figures this week for his tough grilling of Mr Shorten, is getting paid $3.3 million for his efforts.
But he's not the only barrister taking home a big pay packet.
An analysis of government contracts published on the AusTender website shows at least four other Sydney-based silks have been contracted.
Michael Elliott is getting $1.3 million, Richard Scruby $960,000, Sarah McNaughton $866,000 and Fiona Roughley $831,000.
But the biggest winner is possibly law firm Minter Ellison, Attorney-General George Brandis' former employer.
The firm was originally awarded a $2 million contract but that figure quickly grew to about $8 million.
It has now ballooned to $17 million.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/lawyers-enjoy-25-million-windfall-from-unions-royal-commission-20150711-gia0wo.html#ixzz3fZ6EdQcZ
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Bump
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Word is shorten will be gone in a month
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Word is shorten will be gone in a month
one can only hope, although i think its not true. An internal pact signed by the ALP that they wont torch their leader again after the gillard/rudd debacle is what i heard.
let the commission play out before calling an early election, with this bloke at the helm is the play here for big tone.
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Is anybody else getting junk mail that can only be described as election material?
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The only junk that I get is these stupid links you put up here
Let's talk about shorton mate.
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The only junk that I get is these stupid links you put up here
Let's talk about shorton mate.
"a drover's dog could lead the Labor Party to victory, the way the country is". Bill Hayden 1983
and even more applicable today.
:lol
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Abbott is really peeing off the farmers at the moment.
First a bloody big coal mine in the middle of prime agricultural land and now this...
Cattle trade slashed: Labor questions if poor relations with Indonesia to blame
Date July 14, 2015 - 10:26AM
Judith Ireland
Australia's live export industry is in shock after Indonesia has drastically reduced the number of import permits for cattle for the current quarter, with Labor leader Bill Shorten describing it as a "grave concern" that he hopes is not due to tensions in the bilateral relationship.
The allocation for the July to September quarter is just 50,000, which is significantly less than the 200,000 permits that were expected and the 250,000 for the quarter just gone.
Australian Livestock Exporters' Council chief executive Alison Penfold described the news as a "disappointment" and a "surprise".
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cattle-trade-slashed-labor-questions-if-poor-relations-with-indonesia-to-blame-20150714-gibkqc.html#ixzz3fpL4deO7
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He shouldn't crap on about tsunami aid
In retaliation to the indos killing two drug traffickers, then
Tosser in the highest order IMHO is Tony
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Abbott has even peeed off Alan Jones.
:lol
Alan Jones takes aim at Tony Abbott in 30-minute spray about Shenhua mine
July 15, 2015 - 3:08PM
Georgina Mitchell
It can't be fun to be on the receiving end of a blast from Alan Jones.
But that's the position Prime Minister Tony Abbott found himself in on Wednesday, when the broadcaster told his listeners on radio station 2GB that the Abbott government's approval of the Shenhua Watermark coal mine was "disgraceful", "beyond belief", and tantamount to selling their soul to mining.
Beginning an almost 30-minute reprimand of the mine, on the Liverpool Plains in north-western NSW, Jones said he had been deluged with emails after "what can only be described as a disgraceful, but not final, decision by the Abbott government and the Environment Minister [Greg] Hunt".
"The NSW government have the final say on all of this," he said on The Alan Jones Breakfast Show.
"Quite frankly, Tony Abbott and [NSW Premier] Michael Baird are going to have to understand that governments rise and fall, sometimes, on a single issue. And the single issue, about selling this country out to foreign interests, no matter whose interests they are, is now emerging as a massive issue in this country."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/alan-jones-takes-aim-at-tony-abbott-in-30minute-spray-about-shenhua-mine-20150715-gicten.html#ixzz3fwJkciQB
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:chuck
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Well Bronwyn Bishop has to go, her position is untenable.
But be careful what you wish for.
Rumour is Christopher Pyne wants the job.
:lol
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Shorten cant beat Abbott. Abbott is over the line in terms of the next election. The ALP hiding Carbon Tax No 2 put a chance to any hope they had.
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Shorten cant beat Abbott. Abbott is over the line in terms of the next election. The ALP hiding Carbon Tax No 2 put a chance to any hope they had.
:lol
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WA Federal Liberal MP Don Randall has been found dead in the WA wheatbelt town of Boddington.
Police were called to the corner of Club Drive and Hakea Road, near the Boddington Golf Club at about 3pm on Tuesday afternoon.
It is understood Mr Randall, 62, was found deceased in his car in Boddington.
The cause of death is not yet clear but the circumstances are not suspicious and it is believed he suffered a heart attack.
Mr Randall is survived by his wife Julie and two children.
http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-mp-don-randall-found-dead/story-fnj4anv2-1227451412715
RIP.
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http://www.afr.com/news/politics/bill-shorten-to-back-boat-turnbacks-20150722-gihums
:lol
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Small target.
Wants to fight the election on Climate change not border security.
:thumbsup
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:lol okay got it. Like everything else you have said has been spot on hey?
Wake up son
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:lol okay got it. Like everything else you have said has been spot on hey?
Wake up son
:lol
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Democracy :)
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Small target.
Wants to fight the election on Climate change not border security.
:thumbsup
Bring on a climate change election, says Bill Shorten
Date July 24, 2015 - 12:15AM
Michael Gordon
Bill Shorten has challenged Tony Abbott to fight the next election on the issue of climate change, declaring: "I've got a three-word slogan for him: Bring it on."
Describing climate change as "an economic and environmental cancer", the Labor leader has vowed to build an emissions trading scheme and not be intimidated by "ridiculous scare campaigns".
In a speech to be delivered at the party's national conference in Melbourne, Mr Shorten says only Labor can save Australia's renewable energy industry.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/bring-on-a-climate-change-election-says-bill-shorten-20150723-gijb6m.html#ixzz3gk9FSqSW
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2011-4565
2012-17,202
2013-20,587
2014-57
2015-0
The government are withholding the real figures though Bill?
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2011-4565
2012-17,202
2013-20,587
2014-57
2015-0
The government are withholding the real figures though Bill?
You might have to explain WTF this is all about.
:lol
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number of thinking people who dont think abbot is a buffoon
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number of thinking people who dont think abbot is a buffoon
:lol :rollin :lol
Thank you al for restoring my faith in this thread :snidegrin
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2011-4565
2012-17,202
2013-20,587
2014-57
2015-0
The government are withholding the real figures though Bill?
You might have to explain WTF this is all about.
:lol
You still sleeping. Bloody hell 65 I told you to wake up and pay attention pal
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this thread is only really good because 65 is in it really and he writes good material. if he wasn't in this thread it would have died 20 years ago. well done teach. :clapping
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2011-4565
2012-17,202
2013-20,587
2014-57
2015-0
The government are withholding the real figures though Bill?
Old tony is making poo up ala Adof, Jospeh, North Korea
rip democracy :)
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this thread is only really good because 65 is in it really and he writes good material. if he wasn't in this thread it would have died 20 years ago. well done teach. :clapping
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That's the old Bent Judge we know & love - Reclaim this Thread!
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So are we allowed to boo Bronwyn.
Is it racist if the person clearly comes from a different planet.
Bronwyn Bishop apologises for chopper flight following three weeks of criticism
Date July 30, 2015 - 8:54AM
Latika Bourke
Bronwyn Bishop has finally apologised to voters for billing them for a $5000 private helicopter trip and says she will repay all entitlements she claimed to attend colleagues' weddings but is refusing to resign as Speaker.
Sounding meek and contrite, a clearly deflated Mrs Bishop took to Sydney radio 2GB to be interviewed by her long-time ally and the conservative host Alan Jones where she staged a full mea culpa.
"I've been listening to what the Australian people are saying … there's no excuse for what I did with the helicopter," Mrs Bishop said.
"I'll be repaying all expenses related to weddings which while technically in the rules just doesn't look right."
Mrs Bishop's apology is in stark contrast to her defiant media conference held earlier this month after it was revealed she chartered the private helicopter to travel 100kms from Melbourne to Geelong to attend a Liberal Party fundraiser in November last year. After the revelations she agreed to repay the money but refused to apologise.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bronwyn-bishop-apologises-for-chopper-flight-following-three-weeks-of-criticism-20150729-ginf6i.html#ixzz3hKqsRLXa
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"The Speaker is the guardian of parliamentary standards," he said.
"The speakership is one of the most important offices in the Parliament. The Speaker is there to uphold the integrity of the Parliament and now we have very, very serious allegations against the incumbent Speaker ... The prime minister, to uphold the integrity of the Parliament, needs now to require the Speaker to step down until these matters are resolved."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bronwyn-bishop-expenses-scandal-tony-abbott-goes-to-ground-as-speaker-finally-says-sorry-20150730-gio0g7.html#ixzz3hPftsyeP
So said Tony Abbott April 2012 in regard to Peter Slipper and his travel rorts.
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The current Speaker should resign, end of story. She has misused public money and whether it was an excusable error of judgement or a blatant attempt to rort is irrelevant. It happened on several occasions so she is not fit to hold that position.
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But its in the stupid ruuuuules
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im not sure it is in the rules. wasnt there someone else a few years back you got into strife for using their travel allowance to attend a party fundraiser, which contravened the rules?
either way, the biggest thing coming out of this is, for me, is that the rules have to be tightened. we are having similar things with the local pollies up here at the moment as well.
It makes me ill how the pollies tell us we have to tighten up blah blah and the way the tax dept wants to screw over the little person while these scum are wasting thousands and thousands of dollars on decadent travel expenses.
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I have been saying this for a long time.
Is Tony Abbott's regime the worst federal government ever?
Date August 4, 2015 - 1:45PM
Sally Young
Stopping the boats and repealing the carbon tax have not had a demonstrably big impact upon the lives of ordinary Australians.
Abbott government has been in power 686 days and, in the wake of a turbulent half year capped off by the Bronwyn Bishop expense scandal, it is a valid time to ask a question that is often debated online and among political scientists. Is this the worst federal government ever?
I'm talking here about the effectiveness of the Abbott government. Can it pass legislation? Perform administration? Do Australians judge it to be effective? I'm not trying to make value judgments about whether it is a morally "good" government or whether its policies are good or bad (readers will have their own views).
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/is-tony-abbotts-regime-the-worst-federal-government-ever-20150803-giqtnx.html#ixzz3hobZydXt
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I have been saying this for a long time.
No shyte, have you really?
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I have been saying this for a long time.
No shyte, have you really?
Do you have an opinion on this government?
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A detailed one of my own or just a glib one line statement with a laughing emoticon preceding a copy 'n paste of someone else's
opinion? If it's the former then it's bit rich for you to ask more from others than you're seemingly ever willing to offer up yourself.
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A detailed one of my own or just a glib one line statement with a laughing emoticon preceding a copy 'n paste of someone else's
opinion? If it's the former then it's bit rich for you to ask more from others than you're seemingly ever willing to offer up yourself.
Geez, what's wrong with you today?
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He's dead.
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sharp stabbing pains in hands and feet are getting to him?
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He was waiting for '65 to make a point but in the end he just got tired of hanging around...
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this government a paradigm example of what governments should be like. they stopped the boats, they stopped everything. they are a credit to this nation. not like that socialist rabble we had before.
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this government a paradigm example of what governments should be like. they stopped the boats, they stopped everything. they are a credit to this nation. not like that socialist rabble we had before.
....wow
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they have even put a stop to their own members using tax payer money to fly a helicopter to a party fund-raising event :clapping
Now all we need is for them to put a stop to the socialist healthacre rort called medicare
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they have even put a stop to their own members using tax payer money to fly a helicopter to a party fund-raising event :clapping
Now all we need is for them to put a stop to the socialist healthacre rort called medicare
I like Medicare ;D
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they have even put a stop to their own members using tax payer money to fly a helicopter to a party fund-raising event :clapping
Now all we need is for them to put a stop to the socialist healthacre rort called medicare
I like Medicare ;D
Dyke, pinko, soviet bastard :-X
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Tony Burke :lol
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Tony Burke :lol
Symbolic of why politics and politicians in this country are untrustworthy and unfit to govern, regardless of the team jumper they wear.
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A detailed one of my own or just a glib one line statement with a laughing emoticon preceding a copy 'n paste of someone else's
opinion? If it's the former then it's bit rich for you to ask more from others than you're seemingly ever willing to offer up yourself.
:lol true
Keen to hear his thoughts on labor MP Burke or are we still just talking about bishop.
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Tony Burke :lol
Symbolic of why politics and politicians in this country are untrustworthy and unfit to govern, regardless of the team jumper they wear.
Spot on Smokey. The fact they've agreed behind close doors to not go after each other over this shows they've all got their snouts as well as their trotters in trough from the PM, Opp. leader down to the backbenchers. It's a rort.
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Tony Burke :lol
Symbolic of why politics and politicians in this country are untrustworthy and unfit to govern, regardless of the team jumper they wear.
Spot on Smokey. The fact they've agreed behind close doors to not go after each other over this shows they've all got their snouts as well as their trotters in trough from the PM, Opp. leader down to the backbenchers. It's a rort.
Exactly!
Trying to score political points over this issue is pointless. They all do it
The age of entitlement being over clearly doesn't to our pollies
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http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tony-burke-spent-54000-on-lavish-parties-in-just-six-weeks-as-labor-arts-minister/story-fni0cx12-1227473378567
65 gone all quiet all of a sudden. :wallywink :wallywink
Smokey right on the money and 65 next time don't be a Burke and be quick to jump the gun. What a fool he looks like now
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on this subject shorten said it wasnt a system issue,but an individual one :banghead
now abbot is defending politicians "right" to spend tax payers money on shipping their families with them :banghead
these greedy, self indulgent stuffers all have their snouts in the same silver lined trough and are so far out of touch with the people they are supposed to represent, they may as well be on the voyager space probe.
Viva La Revolution!!!!
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-08/pyne-claimed-5000-travel-allowance-to-fly-family-to-sydney/6682494
Public documents confirm Education Minister Christopher Pyne spent more than $5,000 of taxpayers' money flying himself and three family members to Sydney over the Christmas-New Year break in 2009.
Department of Finance documents show that on Christmas Day in 2009 Mr Pyne and three family members flew from his home city of Adelaide to Sydney.
Each airfare cost $1,200 and the family returned on New Year's Day.
During the period Mr Pyne also spent almost $1,000 on Commonwealth cars and claimed two nights of travel allowance, worth $240.
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Exactly!
Trying to score political points over this issue is pointless. They all do it
The age of entitlement being over clearly doesn't to our pollies
All a pack of bastards.
Abbott is just the most useless one.
:lol
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http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tony-burke-spent-54000-on-lavish-parties-in-just-six-weeks-as-labor-arts-minister/story-fni0cx12-1227473378567
65 gone all quiet all of a sudden. :wallywink :wallywink
Smokey right on the money and 65 next time don't be a Burke and be quick to jump the gun. What a fool he looks like now
Been busy shifting.
Glad it's over.
:thumbsup
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All these travel rorts yet they're always quick to scrutinise my log book when I lodge a tax return.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-08/pyne-claimed-5000-travel-allowance-to-fly-family-to-sydney/6682494
Public documents confirm Education Minister Christopher Pyne spent more than $5,000 of taxpayers' money flying himself and three family members to Sydney over the Christmas-New Year break in 2009.
Department of Finance documents show that on Christmas Day in 2009 Mr Pyne and three family members flew from his home city of Adelaide to Sydney.
Each airfare cost $1,200 and the family returned on New Year's Day.
this is what i heard abbot defending today. sickening really. they all should be lined up against the wall and then we start again
All these travel rorts yet they're always quick to scrutinise my log book when I lodge a tax return.
and this aint half of it. their lackey scum in the tax department do their best to ensure the little man bares the brunt of burden to finance their decadent ways. :chuck
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I have a good accountant now and he has shown me where to take advantage of the grey areas. Old man has done the same with disability. Paid tax all his life then they want to shaft him while they can fly their families around the world for Christmas. Nothing illegal, just getting back as of what was originally ours as possible. Unlike my brother who actually supplements his income criminally but that's a different story.
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your brother is probably the smartest one out of all of us. is he by any chance a politician?
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:lol if he were I'd probably want even less to do with him
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Please, have pity on these poor battlers....
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/politician-entitlements-former-mps-high-court-bid-to-boost-allowances-20150807-giuc21.html
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total scum.
Travel expenses shouldn't be called entitlements anyway, they should be travel privileges.
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Give them all a pay rise and make them pay for these entitlements out of their own pockets.
:thumbsup
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Another great decision by TA to take it to the people. Only issue is half won't even care to vote.
Still I would rather the small section of the public vote than those clowns in the party room
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take what to the people?
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Another great decision by TA to take it to the people. Only issue is half won't even care to vote.
Still I would rather the small section of the public vote than those clowns in the party room
I assuming you are talking about Same Sex Marriage :huh
if you are
So you think bullying by threatening your colleagues with being sacked and sent to the backbenchers to get your own way is great leadership?
And you think spending over $100 million of tax payers money on 3 different things for people to vote in a short 2-3 year period on is a great decision. For memory you are one the greatest critics of govts wasting money but you seem to be endorsing this
And before you ask what 3 things
1. Federal Election
2. Referendum on Recognising Indigenous Australians in our constitution
3. Plebicite (non binding BTW) or a Referendum on Marriabe Equality
Your man Tony has already said they will all be done independantly; can't be done as part of a federal election ....
So yeah it's a great decision...not
TBH I am not sure what Tony and the others in his party room are so afraid of...
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No surprise that a bunch of conservative christians decided to handball it away.
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War
Big Debt
Few jobs
Drowning unreported boat people
Hey look over there
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Another great decision by TA to take it to the people. Only issue is half won't even care to vote.
Still I would rather the small section of the public vote than those clowns in the party room
I assuming you are talking about Same Sex Marriage :huh
if you are
So you think bullying by threatening your colleagues with being sacked and sent to the backbenchers to get your own way is great leadership?
And you think spending over $100 million of tax payers money on 3 different things for people to vote in a short 2-3 year period on is a great decision. For memory you are one the greatest critics of govts wasting money but you seem to be endorsing this
And before you ask what 3 things
1. Federal Election
2. Referendum on Recognising Indigenous Australians in our constitution
3. Plebicite (non binding BTW) or a Referendum on Marriabe Equality
Your man Tony has already said they will all be done independantly; can't be done as part of a federal election ....
So yeah it's a great decision...not
TBH I am not sure what Tony and the others in his party room are so afraid of...
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That they may get a tingling in the loins if the bill was passed?
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lmao
if abbot crapped on toast and said it was caviar, danny would eat it
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This government is a complete joke.
and I quote "Heydon's spectacular demise - for surely he cannot credibly continue - is the latest political and administrative disaster for a Prime Minister who is now the most crisis-prone since the McMahon and Whitlam periods"
and just for the emperor
:lol
Abbott government's week from hell: question of 'whether' this farce will end now moves to 'when'
Date August 13, 2015 - 4:07PM
1153 reading nowComments 307VoteRead later
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
As the accidents and bungles mount daily, the pre-eminent question in Australian public affairs seems to be moving rapidly from "whether" this farcical political period will end, to "when".
Justice, as he would know, must be done and be seen to be done. That now is impossible.
Tony Abbott's royal commission into trade union governance and corruption had always been a nakedly political exercise - a cynical plan B by a government that lacked the guts to take on trade union power through the front door by way of industrial relations deregulation after its over-cooked WorkChoices experiment.
So too the choice of inquisitor.
And it was in these two decisions that the seeds of its now calamitous failure were sown.
The selection of the avowed conservative Justice Dyson Heydon had tainted the credibility of the $61 million royal commission from the get-go.
Now his participation as a drawcard in a Liberal Party fundraising event has removed any remaining air of independence he and his process had enjoyed.
Justice, as he would know, must be done and be seen to be done. That now is impossible.
Heydon's spectacular demise - for surely he cannot credibly continue - is the latest political and administrative disaster for a Prime Minister who is now the most crisis-prone since the McMahon and Whitlam periods.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/abbott-governments-week-from-hell-question-of-whether-this-farce-will-end-now-moves-to-when-20150813-giy71k.html#ixzz3ig1s78Si
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lmao
if abbot crapped on toast and said it was caviar, danny would eat it
Lol probably. I respect a man with 3 daughters
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I support gay marriage - as long as both chicks are hot.
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Touché
Though you won't find many of those. Normally one looks like Caro
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lmao
if abbot crapped on toast and said it was caviar, danny would eat it
Lol probably. I respect a man with 3 daughters
what about one with four, like Josef Fritzl?
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Jo Who
No I said 3 mate
4 is too much
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Always admired Mrs. Palmer - she had five....
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Jo Who
No I said 3 mate
4 is too much
lol
three succesful roots is the magic number when combined with the 1 in 4 chance hey?
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no credits for three of them also being his granddaughters?
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And just so you know what you voted for...
(http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/i/y/5/l/o/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.giyzku.png/1439522878235.jpg)
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Interesting that the Liberal loving posters can only deflect the conversation.
Sure, Abbott has stopped the mining tax, stopped the carbon tax and stopped the boats.
But unemployment is up, the deficit is up national debt is up.
His Royal commission will be seen to be a blatant attempt at smear a political opponent.
Tony's captain's picks have all failed, Browyn Bishop, Dyson Heydon, his branch stacking (Christopher Pyne's words) to get his way on same sex marriages.
And there is just a slight smell of WorkChoices about their industrial policy
Just a matter of time before this moron is removed from office.
:lol (just for the emperor)
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(http://www.nowcultured.com/images/2013/08/captain-caveman-teen-angels-dvd-release/featured-caveman-teen-angels-dvd-620x400.jpg)
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This government is a complete joke.
and I quote "Heydon's spectacular demise - for surely he cannot credibly continue - is the latest political and administrative disaster for a Prime Minister who is now the most crisis-prone since the McMahon and Whitlam periods"
and just for the emperor
:lol
Abbott government's week from hell: question of 'whether' this farce will end now moves to 'when'
Date August 13, 2015 - 4:07PM
1153 reading nowComments 307VoteRead later
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent
As the accidents and bungles mount daily, the pre-eminent question in Australian public affairs seems to be moving rapidly from "whether" this farcical political period will end, to "when".
Justice, as he would know, must be done and be seen to be done. That now is impossible.
Tony Abbott's royal commission into trade union governance and corruption had always been a nakedly political exercise - a cynical plan B by a government that lacked the guts to take on trade union power through the front door by way of industrial relations deregulation after its over-cooked WorkChoices experiment.
So too the choice of inquisitor.
And it was in these two decisions that the seeds of its now calamitous failure were sown.
The selection of the avowed conservative Justice Dyson Heydon had tainted the credibility of the $61 million royal commission from the get-go.
Now his participation as a drawcard in a Liberal Party fundraising event has removed any remaining air of independence he and his process had enjoyed.
Justice, as he would know, must be done and be seen to be done. That now is impossible.
Heydon's spectacular demise - for surely he cannot credibly continue - is the latest political and administrative disaster for a Prime Minister who is now the most crisis-prone since the McMahon and Whitlam periods.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/abbott-governments-week-from-hell-question-of-whether-this-farce-will-end-now-moves-to-when-20150813-giy71k.html#ixzz3ig1s78Si
Heydon would be gone (forced to resign or sacked) already in past years. Credibility as a 'unbiased' Royal Commissioner is shot.
Seriously, how stupid are our political parties these days.
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Mark Kenny. Greatest left wing parrot in the media going around. Credible. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin Factual. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin Says a lot about the basis of your point when you need to quote that toss pot. Cue Clementine Ford and Mike Carlton to back him up. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Mark Kenny. Greatest left wing parrot in the media going around. Credible. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin Factual. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin Says a lot about the basis of your point when you need to quote that toss pot. Cue Clementine Ford and Mike Carlton to back him up. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Quote the News Ltd article on this if you want, Smokey. Heydon should do the right thing and resign. You can't have a judge overseeing a RC about the abuse of process and corruption, who then abuses his own RC process by agreeing to attend a political party event of the party that appointed him to judge their political opponents. Separation of Powers is a key component of our democracy. He has to go.
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Mark Kenny. Greatest left wing parrot in the media going around. Credible. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin Factual. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin Says a lot about the basis of your point when you need to quote that toss pot. Cue Clementine Ford and Mike Carlton to back him up. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Geez Clementine Ford... makes Germaine Greer look like Maggie Thatcher....the article is right though, regardless of the author.
stuff Neo-Cons & stuff Leftists - a pox on both their houses and so say I.
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Heydon himself, when judging others, has said that even a appearance of impartiality is grounds for disqualification.
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New poll out today has the government trailing the Labor party.
That's 166 polls in a row.
How long before they get rid of Abbott to save their own seats.
Smells a little like the Labor party replacing Gillard with Rudd to minimise the damage at the next election.
:lol (for the emperor)
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This government is seriously stuffed in the head.
Abbott government war on green 'saboteurs' is Laurel and Hardy slapstick
Lenore Taylor
Even for the Abbott government the inconsistencies in the latest “war on environmental vigilantes and saboteurs” are astonishing. And the slapstick nature of its attempt to use the issue as a political wedge is up there with Laurel and Hardy.
When an environment group successfully uses 16 year-old national environmental laws to delay a project, the Abbott government tries to change the law to prevent them from ever doing it again.
But if an anti-windfarm group can’t find a way to use existing laws and regulations to stop or delay a project, the Abbott government tries to change laws and processes to make it easier for them to succeed.
The first is called green “vigilantism” and “sabotage” and the second is, according to environment minister Greg Hunt, a reasonable response because “many people have a sense of deep anxiety, and they have a right to complain.”
The government calls regulations that stop fossil fuel or mining projects “green tape”, but a wind commissioner and yet another scientific committee to look at unsubstantiated health complaints regarding wind turbines is apparently no kind of “tape” at all.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/18/abbott-government-war-on-green-saboteurs-is-laurel-and-hardy-slapstick
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Chinese troops head to border with North Korea
Multiple explosions reported at US military facility in Japan
No Sign of End to Korea Talks as Kim Steps Up Force Mobilization
N. Korea forward deploys amphibious landing crafts carrying special forces
Tension grows over 'lost' North Korean submarines as South Korea searches for vessels
‘A Million North Koreans Volunteer’ To Fight
All within the last couple hours
The Australian Stock Market has plunged 2.5% in the first 20 minutes of opening for the week, losing $20 billion. The Chinese Stock Market has dropped 7% just an hour after opening, and the ripple effects are starting to be seen worldwide as markets open
US Equity Futures Are Crashing
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A by-election coming up and Tony not only puts up a captain's pick in an ex Army type but he is expanding our war in the Middle East.
And he has "lied" about it by saying it was a request from America.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-pushed-for-us-request-to-join-syrian-air-strikes-20150825-gj7kfh.html
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L0L 'tone
I just wanna bomb the Arabs
The seppos didn't even tell me to
#teamaustralia
#tonystradiess
Ps - pls don't boo goodesy
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A by-election coming up and Tony not only puts up a captain's pick in an ex Army type but he is expanding our war in the Middle East.
And he has "lied" about it by saying it was a request from America.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-pushed-for-us-request-to-join-syrian-air-strikes-20150825-gj7kfh.html
How anybody could vote for this lying prick beggars belief.
He wants to expand our involvement in a war on the other side of the world and put our people in danger just to win a bloody by-election.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/prime-ministers-verbal-gymnastics-over-syria-20150826-gj8ojp.html
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Not into the daily copy + paste stuff either but this Abbott really is a douche bag. On my phone at work so don't know how to link from the FB app, but just saw on the ALP page (as a friend follows it, I don't follow any political groups) the letter from the minister of trade and investment to the Chinese minister regarding the regarding the removal of qualification assessments for ten trades for Chinese workers under the free trade agreement. Two of these were electricians, one was actually general electrician. Would love to let Abbott let his house get wired by some unqualified Chinese bloke as his term would be over by his next shower. Just a tosser of the highest order.
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1965,
I removed the posts that offended you, that wasnt my intention.
It certainly wasn't a personal attack as you suggested - not even close.
I was just giving my thoughts on where my interest in politics now stands with a bit of this :sarcasm thrown in. Would appear it didn't come through
Also, rather than venting on the forum you should have used the report to moderator function as you would with any other post. That's the rules and it applies to all posts and doesn't exclude posts made by mods
WP
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1965,
I removed the posts that offended you, that wasnt my intention.
It certainly wasn't a personal attack as you suggested - not even close.
I was just giving my thoughts on where my interest in politics now stands with a bit of this :sarcasm thrown in. Would appear it didn't come through
Also, rather than venting on the forum you should have used the report to moderator function as you would with any other post. That's the rules and it applies to all posts and doesn't exclude posts made by mods
WP
All good.
Next time report the moderator to the moderator.
OK, can do. :lol
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Did old Rupert post on twitter last night after one too many scotches?
Great month in Oz - beautiful country, gtreAt people but with large problems.
Country almost ungovernable with any Senate majority impossible for either side to execute. Bilateral agreement to change urgent if unlikely.
Extreme greenies, increasing in support hold balance. Against growth and subsequent jobs. Seem beyond reason.
Only hope is new poll with govt of all the talents ready to work together with clear mandate for reform, bringing in new, young able people
In spite of some blind spots, Abbott far the best alternative. Principled and a fighter.
https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch
Gee, and I wonder who and whose media organisation barracked for the current government and a moronic PM that is pushing Australia towards a recession ::).
LOL calling Abbott "principled" :rollin. Not to mention the same guy who can't stop putting his foot in his mouth whenever he says something that isn't scripted for him, such as yesterday with his Nazi/ISIS comment :facepalm.
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Australia depends on commodities when Iron Ore and other commodities are going down the gurgler worldwide then there is nothing any government can do. This problem is not the result of Abbott its the result of the wasted Rudd and Gillard years who wasted the greatest commodities boom in history. They had the chance to recession proof Australia but wasted it on Insulation schemes, School Portables, Cash for Clunker schemes and all sorts of other rubbish.
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Australia depends on commodities when Iron Ore and other commodities are going down the gurgler worldwide then there is nothing any government can do. This problem is not the result of Abbott its the result of the wasted Rudd and Gillard years who wasted the greatest commodities boom in history. They had the chance to recession proof Australia but wasted it on Insulation schemes, School Portables, Cash for Clunker schemes and all sorts of other rubbish.
God but you are a funny man.
How long can you keep blaming Rudd and Gillard?
:lol
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Australia depends on commodities when Iron Ore and other commodities are going down the gurgler worldwide then there is nothing any government can do. This problem is not the result of Abbott its the result of the wasted Rudd and Gillard years who wasted the greatest commodities boom in history. They had the chance to recession proof Australia but wasted it on Insulation schemes, School Portables, Cash for Clunker schemes and all sorts of other rubbish.
Mythic rubbish.
Australian jobs from mining are stuff all. Literally a few percent of the total workforce.
The only Australians that tangibly benefit from mining are the mining companies and owners.
But hey, let's not implement a tax on mining that would benefit Australlia under the Libs and blame the previous government. The Herald sun told us to do so. :lol
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What I wrote is the truth and deep down you all know it. Australia depends on mining exports to a large degree we are paying the price for the wasted years under Rudd and Gillard who wasted Australia's best economic opportunity in decades. ;D
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What I wrote is the truth and deep down you all know it. Australia depends on mining exports to a large degree we are paying the price for the wasted years under Rudd and Gillard who wasted Australia's best economic opportunity in decades. ;D
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Created by the Howard govt right? Coz the Herald Sun said so ::)
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What about uranium.
No shortage of poo to dig up and sell to the Chinese
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What I wrote is the truth and deep down you all know it. Australia depends on mining exports to a large degree we are paying the price for the wasted years under Rudd and Gillard who wasted Australia's best economic opportunity in decades. ;D
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Created by the Howard govt right? Coz the Herald Sun said so ::)
No
I am fair to all. Hawke and Keating made some substantial and excellent micro and macro economic reforms which laid a substantial foundation. This was then built upon by Howard and Costello who left Australia with no debt and a significant future fund amongst other things. This was then wrecked by the profligate labor governments that followed. That's all.
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Our esteemed leader is an expert on genocide and world wars?
Fantastic
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What I wrote is the truth and deep down you all know it. Australia depends on mining exports to a large degree we are paying the price for the wasted years under Rudd and Gillard who wasted Australia's best economic opportunity in decades. ;D
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Created by the Howard govt right? Coz the Herald Sun said so ::)
No
I am fair to all. Hawke and Keating made some substantial and excellent micro and macro economic reforms which laid a substantial foundation. This was then built upon by Howard and Costello who left Australia with no debt and a significant future fund amongst other things. This was then wrecked by the profligate labor governments that followed. That's all.
Yet an IMF study found that Howard government spending was far more reckless than Gillard and Rudd
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hey-big-spender-howard-the-king-of-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html
But why think for yourself when people can rely on unsubstantiated right wing media consensus.
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As opposed to Fairfax/ABC. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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As opposed to Fairfax/ABC. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
IMF vs herald sun/Fox news. I wonder who to listen to on global economics ::)
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What I wrote is the truth and deep down you all know it. Australia depends on mining exports to a large degree we are paying the price for the wasted years under Rudd and Gillard who wasted Australia's best economic opportunity in decades. ;D
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Created by the Howard govt right? Coz the Herald Sun said so ::)
No
I am fair to all. Hawke and Keating made some substantial and excellent micro and macro economic reforms which laid a substantial foundation. This was then built upon by Howard and Costello who left Australia with no debt and a significant future fund amongst other things. This was then wrecked by the profligate labor governments that followed. That's all.
Yet an IMF study found that Howard government spending was far more reckless than Gillard and Rudd
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hey-big-spender-howard-the-king-of-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html
But why think for yourself when people can rely on unsubstantiated right wing media consensus.
Howard and Costello were allowed to spend money because they had it to spend. Australia had no public debt. The ALP stuffed Australia with there profligate spending. Money they didn't have on crap schemes and the rest. Bring Back Little Johnny! ;D
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With the dollar back to the export attractive ~0.70 we will be able to fall back on cars and other manufacturing... Oh wait. Let's hope we can even produce steel in 10 years. The quarter of a million jobs peed out the door by wingnut and fatarse that kept money in the country will have to compete with tens of thousands of more displaced people (because winning an opinion poll is more important than the brutal truth that we just can't afford them) and unqualified Chinese workers getting paid in fortune cookies. At least the fat cats at the top get their kick backs. What an absolute joke of what is meant to be a right wing government. As the country plummets into recession (keeping in mind that we avoided the last one despite the rest of the world copping it) I'm sure the Abbott sycophants and pole strokers will come peddling the same old dribble that didn't fly when the last government was in.
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With the dollar back to the export attractive ~0.70 we will be able to fall back on cars and other manufacturing... Oh wait
dont worry
the chinese will have may good jobs in australia before long
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A totally unbiased view of Tony's first two years in government.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2015/sep/09/jason-clare-labor-mp-tirade-against-abbott-government-goes-viral-video
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Gotta love Leigh Sales
:snidegrin
Sales asked: "When Labor left office, unemployment was 5.8 per cent; it's now 6.3 per cent. Growth was 2.5 per cent; it's now 2 per cent. The Australian dollar was 92 cents; it's now around 70 cents. The budget deficit was $30 billion when you took office and now it's $48 billion. How do you explain to the Australian people that you were elected promising, in your words, to fix the budget emergency, yet in fact, Australia's economic position has worsened under your leadership?"
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/730-host-leigh-sales-faces-off-with-tony-abbott-over-his-leadership-20150910-gjj1xl.html#ixzz3lIfUrK7P
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You can cop 0.70USD if there was investment in manufacturing though. 0.70-0.80 is attractive because it doesn't blow out import costs and it's attractive enough for export. Except the government was so short sighted that they assumed the price of resources and the dollar was going to stay high. Soon we won't be exporting the tens of thousands of vehicles anymore, the government won't be claiming any of the income tax it does from manufacturing locally and due to the free trade agreements and whatever other deals that are going on we won't be claiming the tariffs. By the time we import manufactured goods at a mark up we will be paying more for the steel we originally sold to make it.
We have just recently been sub contracted by another company again to fill out a massive order of alternators for the Aussie defense force which apparently the U.S. are also buying. Last time we did these was 7 years ago. Unfortunately a few hundred alternators aren't going to pour the millions into the economy but it goes to show how short sighted the government was. They manufactured a budget crisis to win an election then used it as an excuse to make drastic cuts in hope it would fill the coffers. However had they stayed the course, sucked it up for another 12 months as the U.S. strengthens and China's rapid growth begins to stall, we could have been looking down the barrel of another manufacturing and export boom.
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Seems the jungle drums within the LNP are beating again to bring down Abbott.
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Seems the jungle drums within the LNP are beating again to bring down Abbott.
FRONTBENCH plotters pushing for Malcolm Turnbull’s return to the leadership have declared a challenge inevitable as a new poll predicts the Prime Minister faces a savage 10 per cent swing in the Canning by-election.
As Liberal MPs prepare to return to Canberra, some ministers have even refused to rule out a revolt this week, before the WA by-election.
A senior Liberal MP said: “The Prime Minister’s future is done and dusted. Malcolm is the solution. The bottom line is it cannot go on.’’
Mr Abbott faces a swing of up to 10 per cent in the Canning by-election, according to a new Galaxy poll commissioned by the Sunday Herald Sun.
http://www.news.com.au/national/leadership-challenge-against-pm-tony-abbott-by-malcolm-turnbull-inevitable-liberal-mps-say/story-e6frfkp9-1227524614083
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If LNP change leadership I hope they completely sweep the front bench and even encourage some others to move on completely. I'm actually a big fan of Bishop as I think she has bigger balls than any of them and the way she identifies with the common public by how she conducts herself on FM radio and TV is fantastic. I'm not strictly any side or go for anyone but if I had to say I'd probably be economic left and social right so Turnball would be right up my alley but I don't think that would sit well with the more rusted on conservative right.
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Don't expect Abbott to go quietly.
Only sorry I am half a world away.
And in the middle of a tropical storm.
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Libs are still voting.
Really don't see any winners for the Libs out of this. They will get a short-term bounce in the polls if Turnbull wins but the religious/hardline/loopy conservative faction will never accept Turnbull's support of same-sex marriage, an ETS to tackle climate change and a republic. It would split the Liberal party. On the other hand, Abbott is dead man walking even if he holds on. The cabinet leaks and stuff-ups will continue and the Libs will lose Julie Bishop from the front bench (leaving all males) and Foreign affairs.
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Here we go ...
Leadership vote:
Turnbull 54
Abbott 44
Informal 1
Deputy vote:
Bishop 70
Andrews 30
So we have our 4th different PM in 5 years.
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Awesome stuff. Look forward to what they bring to the table during the next election. Safe to say fat Joe will be axed too? Great to see the back of Tony. Dead set, what an embarrassing era it was to be represented by that thick headed twit.
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lol just read that apparently Abbott has missed out on his 600k pension by 4 days. Age of entitlement is over for you matey :cheers
Rupert Murdoch the grub isn't happy. What a massive waste of time it was buying National Geographic now.
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The best thing about this change is that Peta Credlin is about to lose her job.
:thumbsup
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I was thinking it would be that this thread may be unhijacked by the cut and paste spam
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The best thing about this change is that Peta Credlin is about to lose her job.
:thumbsup
The best thing is that the Libs are now morals to win the next election and we won't have to put up with the other pack of jokers for a bit longer.
You continue saying what a joke Abbott is ... Gillard, Rudd, Shorten LOL
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Julie Bishop, the worlds greatest Deputy Leader, will be deputy to anyone. Brendan, Malcolm, Tomy and now Malcolm again..
Also, quite a coward it would seem. Why doesn't she have the courage to actually stand for leader?
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I think she knows she is not up to it.
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I think she knows she is not up to it.
Probably. But instead of arranging "coupes" she stood stand for something
the Libs banged on about Rudd being knifed, Gillard being knifed by faceless men.
But IMV Bishop is just as bad, she's loyal to no one but her own agenda it would seem. She's now had a hand in 4 changes of leadership.
BTW the irony in the events of the last 24-48 hours shouldn't be lost on anyone. :rollin
The only thing it really proves is yet again both sides of politics are all about winning (& whining)and not about serving the Australian public
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Well put WP..winning is all either political party is interested in.
For a long time now I have felt that across the globe we don't really have any statesmen and people who want to make a difference to the general populace..we are still being goverened by minnows
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Bump :cheers
I'll call it now, Tony will not last as PM until the next election.
What a mess from what is shaping up to be the worst government since Whitlam.
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You continue saying what a joke Abbott is ... Gillard, Rudd, Shorten LOL
what exactly do you mean by this comment?
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Bump :cheers
I'll call it now, Tony will not last as PM until the next election.
What a mess from what is shaping up to be the worst government since Whitlam.
What an arrogant wanker this 1965 joker is.
:lol
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With Malcolm at the helm we will have a Liberal Government for the next 50 years :thumbsup
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My old man was dispondent Monday, as was his other right of centre mates, as they see no chance for the ALP at the next election.
Suck it up boys you got your wish libs are here to stay now.
The best thing they can do is send shorton packing and install albanese as their captain of their ship.
Shorton. Couldn't tie his shoe laces that bloke let alone lead a country
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My old man was dispondent Monday, as was his other right of centre mates, as they see no chance for the ALP at the next election.
Suck it up boys you got your wish libs are here to stay now.
The best thing they can do is send shorton packing and install albanese as their captain of their ship.
Shorton. Couldn't tie his shoe laces that bloke let alone lead a country
About time they sorted the leadership out. Let's hope he's good enough to lead the country well.
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thats the bottom line isnt it? Its a pretty poor view when you want one party to be dysfunctional so the party you barrack for has a better chance, particularly when that party is currently running the country.
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That's the view of many alp supporters and staff. This was a crushing blow to their chances even though it's a popular view amongst most Australians
Goodbye William Snorton don't shut the door on your way out
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But I thought there were some who said Tony was doing a good job?
Now the same people are jumping for joy over poor old Tone being knifed.
So was he a good PM or not or was he in fact a total incompetent fool?
:rollin :rollin
IMHO Libs have done the right thing, they now have hope and the ALP rightly will be very nervous
But have to say it is really disappointing that Malcolm won't stand up to his colleagues and bring forward changes to the things he believes in eg Same sex Marriage, climate change (emission trading scheme). He sadly has done deals and agreed to keep Tony's pathetic policies on certain issues. Very disappointing
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I don't think anyone can accuse Tony of not being a man of integrity.
Unlike Rudd he didn't cry like a baby and his acceptance speech was only 6 min compared to a the 20 min self absorbed bull rap Rudd put up after the unions got rid of him.
You won't see Tony getting involved in trying to get back in unlike kevin'07.
Well done Tony :clapping
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What a champion Tony was, vouching for his kiddie fiddling priest mates.
Tony was an absolute tit and it's not even up for debate. It wasn't political prowess that got him his job it was only the shambles of the ALP. What's funny is the LNP barrackers (that's all they are, they don't know anything about what they want other than the team they barrack for) are now barring up over a bloke who could just as well chair the ALP. This whole left and right thing is absolute crap as so many of their ideals overlap each other, their differences haven't been clear in years. Turnbull has been my man all along because as I stated a Turnbull run LNP near on perfectly suits my own ideals. Unfortunate for him the party was white anted by these conservative Christian nuffers who wouldn't have two brain cells to rub together between the lot of them. Unless Turnbull and Bishop pee off the rest of them then they just might fall into party room disarray again. Now pending on what Turnbull comes up with between now and the next election I have a clear way to go. I don't mind Shorten and what he stands for but my massive issue with ALP is some of the personnel like Albanese and Wong. My local member however is Dreyfus and he has pretty good hold over the seat as do ALP in many of the bayside areas in both state and federal so in the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter which way my piddly little vote goes.
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But I thought there were some who said Tony was doing a good job?
Now the same people are jumping for joy over poor old Tone being knifed.
So was he a good PM or not or was he in fact a total incompetent fool?
:rollin :rollin
IMHO Libs have done the right thing, they now have hope and the ALP rightly will be very nervous
But have to say it is really disappointing that Malcolm won't stand up to his colleagues and bring forward changes to the things he believes in eg Same sex Marriage, climate change (emission trading scheme). He sadly has done deals and agreed to keep Tony's pathetic policies on certain issues. Very disappointing
correct Tigeritis. Now WP who is jumping for joy or is that you making things up again?
I am merely pointing out that a fair few ALP supporters are very unhappy with this outcome,and TBH thats makes me happy that it is now a forgone conclusion that the libs will lead the country after next years election. ItA great result for my industry that shorton is now odds on not to lead this country.
Dwaino stop tearing up you will get over it soon, maybe in 4 years when alp get another crack at the title.
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Reading and comprehension isn't your strong point. Not surprising though as Tony did only appeal to the knuckledraggers.
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What a champion Tony was, vouching for his kiddie fiddling priest mates.
Tony was an absolute tit and it's not even up for debate. It wasn't political prowess that got him his job it was only the shambles of the ALP. What's funny is the LNP barrackers (that's all they are, they don't know anything about what they want other than the team they barrack for) are now barring up over a bloke who could just as well chair the ALP. This whole left and right thing is absolute crap as so many of their ideals overlap each other, their differences haven't been clear in years. Turnbull has been my man all along because as I stated a Turnbull run LNP near on perfectly suits my own ideals. Unfortunate for him the party was white anted by these conservative Christian nuffers who wouldn't have two brain cells to rub together between the lot of them. Unless Turnbull and Bishop pee off the rest of them then they just might fall into party room disarray again. Now pending on what Turnbull comes up with between now and the next election I have a clear way to go. I don't mind Shorten and what he stands for but my massive issue with ALP is some of the personnel like Albanese and Wong. My local member however is Dreyfus and he has pretty good hold over the seat as do ALP in many of the bayside areas in both state and federal so in the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter which way my piddly little vote goes.
Did Tony really vouch for pedophile priests?
I think Tony has proved over his career that he has always stood for what he believes and I think that's commendable.
As I agree with you that Turnbull is as good as an ALP leader labor has had in a long time, who are these other people that you speak of and are they "nuffers" because they're conservative Christian?
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What a champion Tony was, vouching for his kiddie fiddling priest mates.
Tony was an absolute tit and it's not even up for debate. It wasn't political prowess that got him his job it was only the shambles of the ALP. What's funny is the LNP barrackers (that's all they are, they don't know anything about what they want other than the team they barrack for) are now barring up over a bloke who could just as well chair the ALP. This whole left and right thing is absolute crap as so many of their ideals overlap each other, their differences haven't been clear in years. Turnbull has been my man all along because as I stated a Turnbull run LNP near on perfectly suits my own ideals. Unfortunate for him the party was white anted by these conservative Christian nuffers who wouldn't have two brain cells to rub together between the lot of them. Unless Turnbull and Bishop pee off the rest of them then they just might fall into party room disarray again. Now pending on what Turnbull comes up with between now and the next election I have a clear way to go. I don't mind Shorten and what he stands for but my massive issue with ALP is some of the personnel like Albanese and Wong. My local member however is Dreyfus and he has pretty good hold over the seat as do ALP in many of the bayside areas in both state and federal so in the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter which way my piddly little vote goes.
Did Tony really vouch for pedophile priests?
I think Tony has proved over his career that he has always stood for what he believes and I think that's commendable.
As I agree with you that Turnbull is as good as an ALP leader labor has had in a long time, who are these other people that you speak of and are they "nuffers" because they're conservative Christian?
Conservative Christian or Young Earth creationist thinking Christians? Some food for thought on the knuckle dragging question.....
Also, is standing what one believes always commendable irrespective of the belief? And I don't just mean that in a religious sense.
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What a champion Tony was, vouching for his kiddie fiddling priest mates.
Tony was an absolute tit and it's not even up for debate. It wasn't political prowess that got him his job it was only the shambles of the ALP. What's funny is the LNP barrackers (that's all they are, they don't know anything about what they want other than the team they barrack for) are now barring up over a bloke who could just as well chair the ALP. This whole left and right thing is absolute crap as so many of their ideals overlap each other, their differences haven't been clear in years. Turnbull has been my man all along because as I stated a Turnbull run LNP near on perfectly suits my own ideals. Unfortunate for him the party was white anted by these conservative Christian nuffers who wouldn't have two brain cells to rub together between the lot of them. Unless Turnbull and Bishop pee off the rest of them then they just might fall into party room disarray again. Now pending on what Turnbull comes up with between now and the next election I have a clear way to go. I don't mind Shorten and what he stands for but my massive issue with ALP is some of the personnel like Albanese and Wong. My local member however is Dreyfus and he has pretty good hold over the seat as do ALP in many of the bayside areas in both state and federal so in the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter which way my piddly little vote goes.
Did Tony really vouch for pedophile priests?
I think Tony has proved over his career that he has always stood for what he believes and I think that's commendable.
As I agree with you that Turnbull is as good as an ALP leader labor has had in a long time, who are these other people that you speak of and are they "nuffers" because they're conservative Christian?
Yes he did. While an MP he provided a character reference for a bloke called [redacted in case WP thinks it is defamation. It is in the public domain, Google the topic and the name Nestor] who was convicted and sacked by the Vatican. The priest was eventually acquitted on appeal under a technicality that inappropriate conduct did not mean any assault took place, but Tony still thinks it's ok to vouch for priests who sleep in their undies with boys. Church abuse is something Tony has tried his hardest to sweep under the carpet including going as far as redirecting funds from the royal commission into child abuse within the church to witch hunt current and former ALP members.
I'm not sure how much Turnbull can get done in 12 months but I hope he actually makes his policies and plans crystal clear. It will be interesting to see where ALP go, since they won't just be able to play opposition when it comes to the economy as they will have so much in common with a Turnbull LNP and for my own personal interests I hope that doesn't become his undoing amongst his own party. We have a real shot at strong leadership here I think. Maybe the opposition will actually have to come up with something of their own for a change in so long rather than just shooting down anything from across the floor. We don't need sweeping changes I don't think, we just need a steady hand to make sure the gears keep turning.
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That's the view of many alp supporters and staff. This was a crushing blow to their chances even though it's a popular view amongst most Australians
Goodbye William Snorton don't shut the door on your way out
Dont worry son, there are plenty of facist supporters who want shorten to stay for the same reasoning
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Reading and comprehension isn't your strong point. Not surprising though as Tony did only appeal to the knuckledraggers.
Boo hoo. Not taking it well which is a shame, a real shame
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That's the view of many alp supporters and staff. This was a crushing blow to their chances even though it's a popular view amongst most Australians
Goodbye William Snorton don't shut the door on your way out
Dont worry son, there are plenty of facist supporters who want shorten to stay for the same reasoning
Perhaps I wouldn't know Albert. I do know there are many who are not happy tone is gone before the election.
Albanese to lead the alp to the next election would be their smartest play to have any chance.
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yeah probably right there.
i believe that over time a govts is only as good as the opposition. a poor opposition allows the govt to be unaccountable and arrogant, well more so than they are at the best of times anyway
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Latest poll put Libs ahead 51 to 49.
Getting rid of Peta Credlin was the key.
Tony might have survived if he had ditched the uber-control freak.
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And I will be voting for Turnbull.
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Latest poll put Libs ahead 51 to 49.
Getting rid of Peta Credlin was the key.
Tony might have survived if he had ditched the uber-control freak.
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lol no one but you gives a rats abaout her.
abbott is a buffoon and most even minded people can see it
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Reading and comprehension isn't your strong point. Not surprising though as Tony did only appeal to the knuckledraggers.
Boo hoo. Not taking it well which is a shame, a real shame
Not taking it well? :lol if you weren't such a dipstick you would realise I'm over the moon. What a noddy.
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Latest poll put Libs ahead 51 to 49.
Getting rid of Peta Credlin was the key.
Tony might have survived if he had ditched the uber-control freak.
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lol no one but you gives a rats abaout her.
abbott is a buffoon and most even minded people can see it
Article in the Age says much the same.
On the phone at the beach at Hoi An so can't post the link.
And I have been talking about the woman for a couple of years
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Latest poll put Libs ahead 51 to 49.
Getting rid of Peta Credlin was the key.
Tony might have survived if he had ditched the uber-control freak.
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lol no one but you gives a rats abaout her.
abbott is a buffoon and most even minded people can see it
Article in the Age says much the same.
On the phone at the beach at Hoi An so can't post the link.
And I have been talking about the woman for a couple of years
And her husband will be the next to go.
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It didn't take long for Tony to come out throwing muck around.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/leadership-spill-tony-abbott-says-scott-morrison-never-warned-anyone-of-challenge-20150921-gjrtg6.html
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Sexism isn't responsible for Peta Credlin's own failures
OPINION
By Barrie Cassidy
Updated Fri at 6:50am
Few women in public life would not be subject to sexism. But it is also possible for women - just like men - to be the architects of their own downfall. And when that is demonstrably the case, it cheapens the principle of gender equality to play that card so casually, writes Barrie Cassidy.
Undoubtedly Tony Abbott's chief of staff, Peta Credlin, would at times have been the victim of sexism. Most women have been.
As a woman you would have to work alone in a lighthouse not to be exposed to men who will never get gender balance.
"If I was a guy I wouldn't be bossy, I would be strong," she said this week. "If I was a guy I wouldn't be a micro manager, I would be across my brief or across the detail."
True enough.
But it is also possible for women - just like men - to be the architects of their own downfall, and when that is demonstrably the case, it cheapens the principle of gender equality to play that card so casually.
It makes it harder for women genuinely aggrieved to be heard.
Credlin was a control freak who was given that control by the prime minister. Her clout from an unelected position was almost unprecedented.
To that she says, "If I wasn't strong, determined, controlling, and got them into government from opposition I might add, then I would be weak and not up to it and should have to go and could be replaced."
No. She was - along with the prime minister himself - replaced in part because she was too controlling. And that would have been the case no matter whether a man or woman had played it so badly.
It was her failure to conciliate, to reach out and to build bridges with the front and back bench and the public service that led to the February spill. Because both Credlin and Abbott seemed blind to that reality, even after February, the tensions never went away.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-25/cassidy-sexism-isnt-responsible-for-peta-credlins-own-failures/6803272
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None of the people who govern are actually interested in the business of government ,what the whole lot are interested in is power ,keeping it and attaining it.This to me anyway has been proven by the shanningans of our elected representatives of the past 5 years(labour,liberal,state and federal).
Its a pity really because good government is what the whole world is wanting right now
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None of the people who govern are actually interested in the business of government ,what the whole lot are interested in is power ,keeping it and attaining it.This to me anyway has been proven by the shanningans of our elected representatives of the past 5 years(labour,liberal,state and federal).
Its a pity really because good government is what the whole world is wanting right now
Best post in this thread by a long, long way
:clapping :clapping :bow :bow
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Mal has been in the job for what 5 mins and your already tarnishing him with the same brush as his predecessors.
Come on I bet if it was Mr Union you'd be singing a different tune.
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Nope..in fact I think unions in general are also only interested in power for their union and for themselves.
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Mal has been in the job for what 5 mins and your already tarnishing him with the same brush as his predecessors.
Come on I bet if it was Mr Union you'd be singing a different tune.
Different pajamas same shyte.
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Most "union" people inolved in the Labor(sic) Party today aren't real working class union people - they're mainly upper middle class twits who went straight from uni to work in the union executive/management or were union lawyers and have never even set foot on a shop floor, let alone ever gotten their hands dirty. Long gone is the party of Ben Chifley.
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Mal has been in the job for what 5 mins and your already tarnishing him with the same brush as his predecessors.
Come on I bet if it was Mr Union you'd be singing a different tune.
You've missed he point (again)
Point being the replacing of another PM by his party had more to do with the fear of losing the next election. It was about power. Over the last 5-6 years every single political party has done the same thing
As opposed to each govt actually doing what they are supposed to be doing and that's running the bloody country in the best interest of its constituents
Not about who the leader is, it was about the ineptitude of our pokies and their collective born to rule mentality
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Mal has been in the job for what 5 mins and your already tarnishing him with the same brush as his predecessors.
Come on I bet if it was Mr Union you'd be singing a different tune.
You've missed he point (again)
Point being the replacing of another PM by his party had more to do with the fear of losing the next election. It was about power. Over the last 5-6 years every single political party has done the same thing
As opposed to each govt actually doing what they are supposed to be doing and that's running the bloody country in the best interest of its constituents
Not about who the leader is, it was about the ineptitude of our pokies and their collective born to rule mentality
pollies, pokies - all the same thing, flashing lights and mind numbing noise to rope you in, take your money and give you stuff all in return
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Maybe we should adopt the US model in part.
A PM can only have two terms before giving up the leadership.
Might change their focus.
:thumbsup
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I don't disagree with what gig said re: the previous governments in the last few yrs but give this government a go. We have never had a leader who is liked by both sides and importantly by the people. He may well be the next Johnny Howard or Whitlam.
edited, keep the disrespectful insulting comments showing total lack of respect towards women off the forum. Not necessary
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Maybe we should adopt the US model in part.
A PM can only have two terms before giving up the leadership.
Might change their focus.
:thumbsup
Spot on. A massive weakness of our political system are the indefinite terms. Fixed terms have worked really well in Vic over the last 12 years or so, makes complete sense. Consistency with leadership and gives impending governments a proper mandate.
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i know its probably impossible to do ,but one way of improving our political system could be to reduce or remove the influence of lobby groups,primarily unions,business groups,media barons.
Not bowing to the demands of such groups might result in more objective decision making.
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Absolutely, but practically speaking its not possible. Aside from far right groups using "commi" scare tactics, most pollies make it on campaigns funded by groups who expect votes and policies in their favour at later dates.
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Maybe more if this
But it'd pee off too many big wigs
Brazil's top court bans corporate money in election campaigns
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0RH33A20150917
BRASILIA (Reuters) - Brazil's Supreme Court decided on Thursday to ban corporate donations to election campaign financing in a move to clean up Brazilian politics caught in a massive kickback scandal.
The top court voted 8-3 to allow election donations from individuals but not from companies, a decision that renders unconstitutional a bill passed last week by the country's Congress allowing corporate funding for political parties.
The ruling comes in the midst of Brazil's biggest corruption investigation into bribes and political kickbacks on contracts with state-oil company Petrobras. The funds allegedly went into the pockets of dozens of politicians in President Dilma Rousseff's governing coalition.
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Maybe more if this
But it'd pee off too many big wigs
Brazil's top court bans corporate money in election campaigns
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0RH33A20150917
BRASILIA (Reuters) - Brazil's Supreme Court decided on Thursday to ban corporate donations to election campaign financing in a move to clean up Brazilian politics caught in a massive kickback scandal.
The top court voted 8-3 to allow election donations from individuals but not from companies, a decision that renders unconstitutional a bill passed last week by the country's Congress allowing corporate funding for political parties.
The ruling comes in the midst of Brazil's biggest corruption investigation into bribes and political kickbacks on contracts with state-oil company Petrobras. The funds allegedly went into the pockets of dozens of politicians in President Dilma Rousseff's governing coalition.
Its alarming how close this hits the mark in our own systems. Unions and corporations alike.
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Maybe more if this
But it'd pee off too many big wigs
Brazil's top court bans corporate money in election campaigns
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0RH33A20150917
BRASILIA (Reuters) - Brazil's Supreme Court decided on Thursday to ban corporate donations to election campaign financing in a move to clean up Brazilian politics caught in a massive kickback scandal.
The top court voted 8-3 to allow election donations from individuals but not from companies, a decision that renders unconstitutional a bill passed last week by the country's Congress allowing corporate funding for political parties.
The ruling comes in the midst of Brazil's biggest corruption investigation into bribes and political kickbacks on contracts with state-oil company Petrobras. The funds allegedly went into the pockets of dozens of politicians in President Dilma Rousseff's governing coalition.
Its alarming how close this hits the mark in our own systems. Unions and corporations alike.
I'd be tipping union donations are a bee's pee in the ocean compared to corporations.
But the principle is the same
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Dooks ..dont labour also get business donations ?Not to the same extent as the Libs but they certainly do get them
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Dooks ..dont labour also get business donations also?Not to the same extent as the Libs but they certainly do get them
not much
Figures for the last financial year show the Liberal Party's national and state divisions received more than $13 million in donations, while Labor was given $3.6 million.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/interactives/tables/aec-political-donations-table/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/interactives/tables/aec-political-donations-table/
its mostly bollocks anyway:
Inghams Enterprises Pty Limited Australian Labor Party (ALP) 250000
Inghams Enterprises Pty Limited Liberal Party of Australia 250000
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the seppo one is more interesting to look at
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if you look into it its all a load of crap ...
this gentleman is more articulate than i
http://harvardnsj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Glennon-Final.pdf
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national security policy has scarcely changed from the Bush to
the Obama Administration. The theory of Walter Bagehot explains why.
Bagehot described the emergence in 19th-century Britain of a “disguised
republic” consisting of officials who actually exercised governmental power
but remained unnoticed by the public, which continued to believe that
visible, formal institutions exercised legal authority.601 Dual institutions of
governance, one public and the other concealed, were referred to by
Bagehot as “double government.”602 A similar process of bifurcated
institutional evolution has occurred in the United States, but in reverse: a
network has emerged within the federal government that exercises
predominant power with respect to national security matters. It has evolved
in response to structural incentives rather than invidious intent, and it
consists of the several hundred executive officials who manage the military,
intelligence, diplomatic, and law enforcement agencies responsible for
protecting the nation’s security. These officials are as little disposed to stake
out new policies as they are to abandon old ones. They define security more
in military and intelligence terms rather than in political or diplomatic ones.
Enough examples exist to persuade the public that the network is
subject to judicial, legislative, and executive constraints. This appearance is
important to its operation, for the network derives legitimacy from the
ostensible authority of the public, constitutional branches of the
government. The appearance of accountability is, however, largely an
illusion fostered by those institutions’ pedigree, ritual, intelligibility,
mystery, and superficial harmony with the network’s ambitions. The courts,
Congress, and even the presidency in reality impose little constraint.
Judicial review is negligible; congressional oversight dysfunctional; and
presidential control nominal. Past efforts to revive these institutions have
thus fallen flat. Future reform efforts are no more likely to succeed, relying
as they must upon those same institutions to restore power to themselves by
exercising the very power that they lack. External constraints—public
opinion and the press—are insufficient to check it. Both are manipulable,
and their vitality depends heavily upon the vigor of constitutionally
established institutions, which would not have withered had those external
constraints had real force. Nor is it likely that any such constraints can be
restored through governmental efforts to inculcate greater civic virtue,
which would ultimately concentrate power even further. Institutional
restoration can come only from an energized body politic. The prevailing
incentive structure, however, encourages the public to become less, not
more, informed and engaged.
To many, inculcated in the hagiography of Madisonian checks and
balances and oblivious of the reach of Trumanite power, the response to
these realizations will be denial. The image of a double national security
government will be shocking. It cannot be right. It sounds of conspiracy, “a
state within,” and other variations on that theme. “The old notion that our
Government is an extrinsic agency,” Bagehot wrote, “still rules our
imaginations.”603 That the Trumanite network could have emerged in full
public view and without invidious intent makes its presence all the more
implausible. Its existence challenges all we have been taught.
There is, however, little room for shock. The pillars of America’s
double government have long stood in plain view for all to see. We have
learned about significant aspects of what Bagehot described—from some
eminent thinkers. Max Weber’s work on bureaucracies showed that, left
unchecked, the inexorability of bureaucratization can lead to a “polar night
of icy darkness” in which humanitarian values are sacrificed for abstract
organizational ends.604 Friedrich Hayek’s work on political organization led
him to conclude that “the greatest danger to liberty today comes from the
men who are most needed and most powerful in government, namely, the
efficient expert administrators exclusively concerned with what they regard
as the public good.”605 Eric Fromm’s work on social psychology showed
how people unconsciously adopt societal norms as their own to avoid
anxiety-producing choices, so as to “escape from freedom.”606 Irving Janis’s
work on group dynamics showed that the greater a group’s esprit de corps,
“the greater the danger that independent critical thinking will be replaced by
groupthink, which is likely to result in irrational and dehumanizing actions
directed against out-groups.”607 Michael Reisman’s work on jurisprudence
has shown how de facto operational codes can quietly arise behind publiclyembraced
myth systems, allowing for governmental conduct that is not
approved openly by the law.608 Mills’ 1956 work on power elites showed
that the centralization of authority among officials who hold a common
world view and operate in secrecy can produce a “military metaphysic”
directed at maintaining a “permanent war economy.”609 One person familiar
with Mills’ work was political scientist Malcolm Moos, the presidential
speechwriter who five years later wrote President Eisenhower’s prophetic
warning.610 “In the councils of government,” Eisenhower said, “we must
guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or
unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the
disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”611
Bagehot anticipated these risks. Bureaucracy, he wrote, is “the most
unimproving and shallow form of government,”612 and the executive that
commands it “the most dangerous.”613 “If it is left to itself,” he observed,
“without a mixture of special and non-special minds,” decisional authority
“will become technical, self-absorbed, self-multiplying.”614 The net result is
responsibility that is neither fixed nor ascertainable but diffused and
hidden,615 with implications that are beyond historical dispute. “The most
disastrous decisions in the twentieth century,” in Robert Dahl’s words,
“turned out to be those made by authoritarian leaders freed from democratic
restraints.”616
The benefits derived by the United States from double government
—enhanced technical expertise, institutional memory and experience,
quick-footedness, opaqueness in confronting adversaries, policy stabilit
y,
and insulation from popular political oscillation and decisional idiosyncrasy
—need hardly be recounted. Those benefits, however, have not been costfree.
The price lies in well-known risks flowing from centralized power,
unaccountability, and the short-circuiting of power equilibria. Indeed, in this
regard the Framers thought less in terms of risk than certainty. John Adams
spoke for many: “The nation which will not adopt an equilibrium of power
must adopt a despotism. There is no other alternative.”617
The trivial risk of sudden despotism, of an abrupt turn to a police
state or dictatorship installed with coup-like surprise, has created a false
sense of security in the United States.618 That a strongman of the sort easily
visible in history could suddenly burst forth is not a real risk. The risk,
rather, is the risk of slowly tightening centralized power, growing and
evolving organically beyond public view, increasingly unresponsive to
Madisonian checks and balances. Madison wrote, “There are more instances
of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.”619 Recent history bears out his insight. Dahl has pointed out
that in the 20th century—the century of democracy’s great triumph—some
seventy democracies collapsed and quietly gave way to authoritarian
regimes.620 That risk correlates with voter ignorance; the term Orwellian
has little meaning to a people who have never known anything different,
who have scant knowledge of history, civics, or public affairs, and who in
any event have likely never heard of George Orwell. “If a nation expects to
be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization,” Thomas Jefferson wrote, “it
expects what never was and never will be.”621 What form of government
ultimately will emerge from the United States’ experiment with double
government is uncertain. The risk is considerable, however, that it will not
be a democracy.
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lol do you really expect anyone to read all that?
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lol do you really expect anyone to read all that?
http://harvardnsj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Glennon-Final.pdf
Thats a free copy of the Michael J. Glennon book
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Just saw an ad for Ch.9's new answer to Q & A , "The Verdict".....voiceover goes "featuring Australia's most insightful minds, including Mark Latham, Jackie Lambie .....and footy legend Campbell Brown...."
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol campbell brown
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Give me a break. Not sure what others think but I can't stand the bloke
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TPP officially passed
Not good of te majority humans
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That Ch 9 show will be just another example of the modern media and so called "journalism" :sleep. Tryhards being deliberately "controversial" with cherry-picked strawman arguments about topics they have no qualifications in, just to attract attention to themselves and whatever media organisation they are working for. The TV equivalent of radio shock-jocks. See Andrew Bolt :sleep.
Anyway, I see the Libs are back onto the cutting penalty rates bandwagon again. Had to laugh at Turnbull today saying he supports it if it doesn't leave workers worse off. Ummm Malcolm, how does cutting people's take-home pay not leave people worse off :facepalm.
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Latest poll put Libs ahead 51 to 49.
Getting rid of Peta Credlin was the key.
Tony might have survived if he had ditched the uber-control freak.
☺
lol no one but you gives a rats abaout her.
abbott is a buffoon and most even minded people can see it
Article in the Age says much the same.
On the phone at the beach at Hoi An so can't post the link.
And I have been talking about the woman for a couple of years
And her husband will be the next to go.
and there he goes.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/07/brian-loughnane-to-step-down-as-director-of-liberal-party-reports
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STATE MPs have been gagged from using the word “rort” in the Legislative Assembly after Speaker Telmo Languiller deemed it unparliamentary.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/
:dogdance
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Man with covered head and face protests against allowing people to cover their head and face :facepalm.
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bendigo?src=hash
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there is just so much irony in what these ignorant half wits are on about
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there is just so much irony in what these ignorant half wits are on about
If they don't like it, leave!?
Sorry, in Australia, in our CONSTITUTION, we have a freedom to practice which ever religion we like. THAT is Australian.
If people don't like Islam, they can go find a country that only allows Christianity.
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Man with covered head and face protests against allowing people to cover their head and face :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ7it7bWgAA0PMj.jpg)
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bendigo?src=hash
:lol
there is just so much irony in what these ignorant half wits are on about
If they don't like it, leave!?
Sorry, in Australia, in our CONSTITUTION, we have a freedom to practice which ever religion we like. THAT is Australian.
If people don't like Islam, they can go find a country that only allows Christianity.
well said IMHO ...
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the neo nazi flogs can get stuffed
well done, the effort of the anti faicst groups in australia :clapping
:whistle
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http://www.eraofwisdom.org/isis-in-retreat-as-russia-destroys-32-targets-while-putin-trolls-obama-as-weak-with-no-strategy/
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Bit quiet on here lately :shh
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Must admit, the Libs are doing good things for this nation and long may it continue under Turnbull who is no doubt the best man to lead our country into the future.
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Pretty sure '65 said he'd vote LNP if Turnbull was leader.... :shh
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Pretty sure '65 said he'd vote LNP if Turnbull was leader.... :shh
Handing out the how to vote cards too
Please
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http://revolution-news.com/palestinians-and-jews-rally-at-the-white-house-to-end-u-s-aid-for-israel/
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Pretty sure '65 said he'd vote LNP if Turnbull was leader.... :shh
Handing out the how to vote cards too
Please
Been a long time since I handed out how to vote cards. Back in 1977 in fact.
And yes at this stage I would vote for Turnbull.
But he needs to get serious about climate change and renewable energy.
:cheers
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What about big tone dancing topless? Found that quite humerous
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Good to see the Canadians have followed our lead and got rid of their climate-denier of a PM.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/20/justin-trudeau-first-full-day-canada-prime-minister-designate
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Bit quiet on here lately :shh
Not much to comment on, now there's a PM who doesn't still live in the 1950s and doesn't embarrass the whole country whenever he opens his mouth. Turnbull is in his honeymoon period. At the moment, he can be all things to all people. Politically, he actually should call an early election with these current polls because once the budget in May comes around he'll have to select a "side" on a number of issues. That will either upset the hardline LNP conservatives and their media cheerleaders (like Andrew Bolt) who toppled him when he was opposition leader OR if he appeases these hardliners, then he'll upset the 'left' who see Turnbull as someone who will champion and deliver their agenda - climate change, gay marriage & Australia becoming a republic.
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Bit quiet on here lately :shh
Not much to comment on, now there's a PM who doesn't still live in the 1950s and doesn't embarrass the whole country whenever he opens his mouth.
The idiot still can't help himself even as an ex-PM :facepalm.
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Good to see Turnbull dump Abbott's knighthoods. Poor ol' Tone won't be able to get one now.
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Good to see Turnbull dump Abbott's knighthoods. Poor ol' Tone won't be able to get one now.
:thumbsup :clapping
Know it's the "honeymoon" period for him but Turnbull's doing OK
At least the "cringe" factor's gone
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Good to see Turnbull dump Abbott's knighthoods. Poor ol' Tone won't be able to get one now.
:thumbsup :clapping
Know it's the "honeymoon" period for him but Turnbull's doing OK
At least the "cringe" factor's gone
All he has to do is get serious about climate change and he will have my vote.
:cheers
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My how things have changed. Let's be honest as long as shorton is the leader of the opposition mal doesn't need to do much to win this and win well
:lol :lol
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My how things have changed. Let's be honest as long as shorton is the leader of the opposition mal doesn't need to do much to win this and win well
:lol :lol
Not really, same scenario just different leaders
Bill didn't need to do too much while Tony was PM to set himself up to win the next election. Such was the ineptitude of Tony Abbott
Now there is a decent leader running the country things just got a whole lot tougher for the opposition
Though, I still hope that one day elections will again be fought on policies rather than personalities
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But Shortone is a crook, nothing more nothing less , a straight out rogue.
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But Shortone is a crook, nothing more nothing less , a straight out rogue.
agreed but you wont here the other folk on here say that. Am i right MT and WP? You will probably find most would still vote for him regardless of what turnbull does.
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My mate was working for a labour nobody ages ago
Back then, he was telling me shorten was in control
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But Shortone is a crook, nothing more nothing less , a straight out rogue.
agreed but you wont here the other folk on here say that. Am i right MT and WP? You will probably find most would still vote for him regardless of what turnbull does.
Yes, I've noticed , quite a little left leaning forum isn't it. All about the cause not necessarily about the truth and definitely not about the consequences.
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But Shortone is a crook, nothing more nothing less , a straight out rogue.
agreed but you wont here the other folk on here say that. Am i right MT and WP? You will probably find most would still vote for him regardless of what turnbull does.
Please Angus I really wish wouldn't speak for me when you haven't got a clue what my thoughts are. Again you have no idea
But just so you are clear
Currently I wouldn't vote for either party, just simply wouldn't vote at all.
Until they show me some concrete policies that will actually result in some sort of social change for the better in this country then no political side gets my vote
I am not interested in personalities, I am interested in policies that will make this great country of ours better.
None of the sides seem willing to do that... they talk alot but do nothing but say things that will get them elected....
Can I make it any clearer
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All about the cause not necessarily about the truth and definitely not about the consequences.
A perfect summation.
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But Shortone is a crook, nothing more nothing less , a straight out rogue.
agreed but you wont here the other folk on here say that. Am i right MT and WP? You will probably find most would still vote for him regardless of what turnbull does.
Please Angus I really wish wouldn't speak for me when you haven't got a clue what my thoughts are. Again you have no idea
But just so you are clear
Currently I wouldn't vote for either party, just simply wouldn't vote at all.
Until they show me some concrete policies that will actually result in some sort of social change for the better in this country then no political side gets my vote
I am not interested in personalities, I am interested in policies that will make this great country of ours better.
None of the sides seem willing to do that... they talk alot but do nothing but say things that will get them elected....
Can I make it any clearer
what would u do?
greens, comrade?
snowden?
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All about the cause not necessarily about the truth and definitely not about the consequences.
A perfect summation of politics in general.
no arguments here
;D
did you get Gerry Wood's report on his trip to Canada to look into the Representative system in place in two of their territories. -Interesting reading
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All about the cause not necessarily about the truth and definitely not about the consequences.
A perfect summation of politics in general.
no arguments here
;D
did you get Gerry Wood's report on his trip to Canada to look into the Representative system in place in two of their territories. -Interesting reading
y dont u change your sig, you bully >:(
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the better in
what would u do?
greens, comrade?
snowden?
Which part of "just simply wouldn't vote at all" didn't you understand? ::)
I wouldn't vote, you know not mark the voting paper, vote informally or just take the fine
clear?
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I guess you can't complain about what you get then can you.
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the better in
what would u do?
greens, comrade?
snowden?
Which part of "just simply wouldn't vote at all" didn't you understand? ::)
I wouldn't vote, you know not mark the voting paper, vote informally or just take the fine
clear?
I missed that bit my bad
I worry that you would go to jail for breaking the law :(
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I guess you can't complain about what you get then can you.
:thumbsup
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All about the cause not necessarily about the truth and definitely not about the consequences.
A perfect summation of politics in general.
no arguments here
;D
:lol :thumbsup
did you get Gerry Wood's report on his trip to Canada to look into the Representative system in place in two of their territories. -Interesting reading
No but I'll dig it out and have a read. You know how much against our 3-tiered system of govt that I am so any alternative thinking will be of interest!
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I guess you can't complain about what you get then can you.
:thumbsup
I guess you can't complain about what you get then can you.
:thumbsup
On the other hand, every vote given to these self serving stuffwits is a vote of confidence in them and they continue on their merry way of taking their votes for granted, treated us all with contempt and putting all their energies into bringing their opponents down to retain/regain power rather than doing what they should be, and that is representing the people and governing the country.
As long as people continue to vote for the major parties, this will only continue down this path, but then hey, its easy to just always blame the state of affairs on the party you dont barrack for and trott out leftie this or right wing that.
It is those that blindly always vote for one party that shouldn't complain.
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well i dont agree with this, Nothing was wrong with little Johnny and the way he governed for this country. We need to forget about the last 6 years because all 3 leaders have been an embarrassment in 1 form or another.
Mal looks good so far. Onwards and upwards for the LNP. :thumbsup
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http://www.asianimage.co.uk/columnists/13949690.Over_privileged_people_demonstrate_in_a_mask___the_Hypocrisy/
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not very well written imho
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http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/million-mask-march-2015-sam-kriss-938
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Its more than $50 id say its closer to $250 for people on a 50k salary. The HUN are
Only going by this:
How the flood levy will affect you January 27, 2011 - 1:48PM
How you will be affected:
- A levy of 0.5 per cent will apply on taxable incomes between $50,001 and $100,000.
- A levy of 1.0 per cent will apply on taxable incomes above $100,000.
- Flood victims will not pay the levy.em A person earning $60,000 a year will pay just under $1 extra per week under the levy.
- A person earning $100,000 a year will pay just under $5 extra per week under the levy.
- The levy will apply only in the 2011/12 financial year.
- It is expected to raise $1.8 billion.
What you will pay per week:
- $50,000 (income) - nil
- $55,000 - 48 cents
- $60,000 - 96 cents
- $65,000 - $1.44
- $70,000 - $1.92
- $75,000 - $2.40
- $80,000 - $2.88
- $90,000 - $3.85
- $100,000 - $4.81
- $110,000 - $6.73
- $120,000 - $8.65
- $130,000 - $10.58
- $140,000 - $12.50
- $150,000 - $14.42
- $160,000 - $16.35
- $170,000 - $18.27
- $180,000 - $20.19
- $200,000 - $24.04
AAP
Source: the age: http://www.theage.com.au/business/how-the-flood-levy-will-affect-you-20110127-1a69i.html?rand=1296096529860
Why cant they use their own money instead of asking us to fork out money just so they look good and keep their surplus.
hate to break it to you daniel but "their" money is "our" money ;D
They don't keep the surplus peopole will sook about that, they cut spend ing on essential items like defence, health, education people will sook about that...
It doesn't matter what they do or how they do it people aren't going to be happy it's the nature of the beast
Dave Walker, who headed the Government Accountability Office (GAO) under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, said when you add up all of the nation’s unfunded liabilities, the national debt is more than three times the number generally advertised.
“If you end up adding to that $18.5 trillion the unfunded civilian and military pensions and retiree healthcare, the additional underfunding for Social Security, the additional underfunding for Medicare, various commitments and contingencies that the federal government has, the real number is about $65 trillion rather than $18 trillion, and it’s growing automatically absent reforms,” Walker told host John Catsimatidis on “The Cats Roundtable” on New York’s AM-970 in an interview airing Sunday.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/259476-ex-gao-head-us-debt-is-three-times-more-than-you-think
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http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/adam-goodes-approached-to-run-as-labor-candidate-20151111-gkwrb1.html
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We care a lot about disasters, fires, floods and killer bees
We care a lot about the NASA shuttle falling in the sea
We care a lot about starvation and the food that Live Aid bought
We care a lot about disease, baby Rock, Hudson, rock, yeah!
We care a lot about the gamblers and the pushers and the geeks
We care a lot about the crack and smack and whack that hits the street
We care a lot about the welfare of all the boys and girls
We care a lot about you people cause we're out to save the world
YEAH!
And it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it
We care a lot about the army navy air force and marines
We care a lot about the SF, NY and LAPD
We care a lot about you people, about your guns
about the wars you're fighting gee that looks like fun
We care a lot about the Garbage Pail Kids, they never lie
We care a lot about Transformers cause there's more than meets the eye
We care a lot about the little things, the bigger things we top
We care a lot about you people yeah you bet we care a lot,
YEAH!
Well, its a dirty job but someone's gotta do it
And it's a dirty song but someone's gotta sing it
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:whistle
Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before
Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before
My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars
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D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said, "Peace could last forever."
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
An' I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land
And
I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
Look at the shoes you're filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more
My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars
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War war is stupid and people are stupid
And love means nothing in some strange quarters
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And I heard them banging on hearts and fingers
War!
People fill the world with narrow confidence
Like a child at birth, a man with no defence
What's mine's my own, I won't give it to you
No matter what you say, no matter what you do
Now we're fighting in our hearts
Fighting in the streets
Won't somebody help me?
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And love means nothing in some strange quarters
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And I heard them banging on hearts and fingers
War!
Man is far behind in the search of something new
Like a Philistine, we're burning witches too
This world of hate must be designed for you
It matters what you say, it matters what you do
Now we're fighting in our hearts
Fighting in the streets
Won't somebody help me?
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And love means nothing in some strange quarters
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And I heard them banging on hearts and fingers
War! War! War!
After the bird has flown
He walked ten thousand miles back home
You can't do that to me, no, you can't do that to me
You can't do that to me, no, you can't do that to me
War!
In this heart of mine, I'll find a place for you
For black or white, for grown-up children too
Now we're fighting in our hearts
Fighting in the streets
Won't somebody help me?
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And love means nothing in some strange quarters
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And I heard them banging on hearts and fingers
No more war
say no more war
say war
Senso hant-ai
Senso hant-ai
Say no more war
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Have you some time for me,
then I'll sing a song for you
about 99 balloons
on their way to the horizon.
If you're perhaps thinking about me right now
then I'll sing a song for you
about 99 balloons
and that such a thing comes from such a thing.
99 balloons
on their way to the horizon
People think they're UFO's from space
so a general sent up
a fighter squadron after them
Sound the alarm if it's so
but there on the horizon were
only 99 balloons.
99 fighter jets
Each one's a great warrior
Thought they were Captain Kirk
then came a lot of fireworks
the neighbors didn't understand anything
and felt like they were being provoked
so they shot at the horizon
at 99 balloons.
99 war ministers
matches and gasoline canisters
They thought they were clever people
already smelled a nice bounty
Called for war and wanted power.
Man, who would've thought
that things would someday go so far
because of 99 balloons.
99 years of war
left no room for victors.
There are no more war ministers
nor any jet fighters.
Today I'm making my rounds
see the world lying in ruins.
I found a balloon,
think of you and let it fly (away).
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In tropical climes there are certain times of day
When all the citizens retire to tear their clothes off and perspire.
It's one of the rules that the greatest fools obey,
Because the sun is much too sultry
And one must avoid its ultry-violet ray.
The natives grieve when the white men leave their huts,
Because they're obviously, definitely nuts!
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun,
The Japanese don´t care to, the Chinese wouldn´t dare to,
Hindus and Argentines sleep firmly from twelve to one
But Englishmen detest-a siesta.
In the Philippines they have lovely screens to protect you from the glare.
In the Malay States, there are hats like plates which the Britishers won't wear.
At twelve noon the natives swoon and no further work is done,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
It's such a surprise for the Eastern eyes to see,
that though the English are effete, they're quite impervious to heat,
When the white man rides every native hides in glee,
Because the simple creatures hope he will impale his solar topee on a tree.
It seems such a shame when the English claim the earth,
They give rise to such hilarity and mirth.
Ha ha ha ha hoo hoo hoo hoo hee hee hee hee ......
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
The toughest Burmese bandit can never understand it.
In Rangoon the heat of noon is just what the natives shun,
They put their Scotch or Rye down, and lie down.
In a jungle town where the sun beats down to the rage of man and beast
The English garb of the English sahib merely gets a bit more creased.
In Bangkok at twelve o'clock they foam at the mouth and run,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
The smallest Malay rabbit deplores this foolish habit.
In Hong Kong they strike a gong and fire off a noonday gun,
To reprimand each inmate who's in late.
In the mangrove swamps where the python romps
there is peace from twelve till two.
Even caribous lie around and snooze, for there's nothing else to do.
In Bengal to move at all is seldom ever done,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
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Illuminati list did they? Tinders match box last night graph was even better
Nearly got another boat through bents. Few hundred metres from Xmas island apparently. Bloody newscorp trying to play games with us. Wish they would report all the boats FFS
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Around our nation's capital
There's a freeway 8 lanes wide
White concrete ringed around the city
For those who want inside
Get on, get off
Ignore everything to the sides
In your midst I drive
While homeboys in the back of the van make drugs
Wanna hide something like a crack lab?
Just put it in plain sight
Only stop to refuel and unload
More poison to tear more lives apart
Whole neighbourhoods are goin’ psycho
Gang wars like never before
Better lock your doors, buy some guns
And pray for martial law
On the Washington D.C. Beltway
Around and around I go
In a black van with no windows
And a chimney puffing smoke
Bloody headlines in the news each day
Drug "crisis" everywhere
So much comes in so easy
It's as though someone wants it there…
It would be a little obvious
To fence off all the slums
Hand out machine guns
To the poor in the projects
And watch 'em kill each other off
A more subtle genocide’s
When the only hope for the young
Is to join the Army or slowly die
Wall Street or Crack Dealer Avenue
The last roads left of the American Dream
Wall Street or Crack Dealer Avenue
Wall Street or Crack Dealer Avenue
Only one road leads to this neighborhood
Little kids wanna sell drugs when they grow up
The folks just might get a little upset
If they knew where that dope comes from
From Columbia to the Contras
To our Air Force bases, where we trade it for guns
The moral equivalent of a serial killer
And his CIA friends call the shots from the White House
But now that we own the media too
Those stories just aren't run
On the Washington D.C. Beltway
Around and around I go
In a black van with no windows
and a chimney puffing smoke
Some gang that ran smack in Vietnam
Ain't got no reason to fear
Just get a Vice President so dumb
The crook at the top never gets impeached…
That sure was easy wasn't it?
That sure was easy wasn't it?
More crack - more panic - more cops - more jails
You see emergency - total war
You see emergency - total war
You see a black face - you see a crackhead
You see a black face - you see a crackhead
You see a black face - you see Willie Horton with a knife
You see Willie Horton with a knife
You’ve seen one Willie Horton, you've seen them all
They're everywhere, I know
You asked for it, you've got it
Drug suspects have no rights at all
Property seized and sold before trial
Labor camps - on American soil?!?
Neo-Nazi bootboys
That the cops never seem to arrest
Prowl neighborhoods with baseball bats
Why do they get so much press?
Mein Kampf - the mini series
Oliver North - "patriotic" hero
The leader of tomorrow is yours today
Finally gotcha psyched for a police state
On the Washington D.C. Beltway
Around and around I go
In a black van with no windows
And a chimney puffing smoke
My van's a mobile oven now
That burns the bodies you never see
Just like in Chile or Guatemala
People just seem to disappear…
Just like Rome
We fell asleep when we got spoiled
Ignore human rights in the rest of the world
Ya might as well lose your own
As the noose of narco-militarism
Tightens around our necks
We worry about burning flags
And pee in jars at work to keep our jobs
But if someone came for you one night and dragged you away
Do you really think your neighbors would even care?
Do you really think your neighbors would even care?
Embrace the red white and blue Reich [x12]
Ollie for president! He'll get things done! [x11]
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Illuminati list did they? Tinders match box last night graph was even better
Nearly got another boat through bents. Few hundred metres from Xmas island apparently. Bloody newscorp trying to play games with us. Wish they would report all the boats FFS
Good luck with all that tighty righty.
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(http://i.imgur.com/6RpapFL.jpg)
whos the bitch?
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hint, it aint Mr Rothschild
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No one talkin about tim tam-gate?
Big news lads
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There's colors on the street
Red, white and blue
People shufflin' their feet
People sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign
on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin'
we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan,
but I am to them
So I try to forget it,
any way I can.
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.
I see a woman in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away,
and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life,
and what she's done to it
There's one more kid
that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love,
never get to be cool.
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.
We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder, gentler,
Machine gun hand
We got department stores
and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes
for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people,
says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn,
got roads to drive.
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.
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Trouble in paradise?
Liberal MP Ian Macfarlane defects to Nationals in shock move against Malcolm Turnbull
Former industry minister Ian Macfarlane is set to defect from the Liberal Party to junior Coalition partners the Nationals, in a shock move that has significant ramifications for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-ian-macfarlane-defects-to-nationals-in-shock-move-against-malcolm-turnbull-20151203-gle6rd.html#ixzz3tDYvuZfF
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So much for Tony keeping quiet...
Tony Abbott: I would have won the next election
December 8, 2015
Mark Kenny
Tony Abbott has fired a broadside at the plotters who brought him down, defiantly declaring he would have led the Coalition to a victory at the next election.
The comments came in an interview in which he flagged an intention to stay around in Parliament; called on Malcolm Turnbull to spend a week in an Indigenous community each year; advocated a more robust defence of "superior" Western values in the struggle with Islamic extremism; and said his first budget was fine.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-i-would-have-won-the-next-election-20151208-glifg7.html#ixzz3tkrYoz9W
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Gotta love the timing of these resignations.
:cheers
Jamie Briggs resigns over late-night bar scandal in Hong Kong, Mal Brough stands aside over Slipper affair
By political reporter Francis Keany
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's Government has been rocked after two scandal-hit MPs stood down from their frontbench portfolios on Tuesday.
Liberal MP Mal Brough will stand aside, pending a police investigation, while Jamie Briggs has tendered his resignation.
Mr Briggs has resigned as Minister for Cities and the Built Environment following a late-night incident involving a female public servant in a Hong Kong bar during an official overseas visit last month.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-29/mal-brough-and-jamie-briggs-stand-down-from-frontbench/7058266
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A Federal election, a US election and a Richmond flag.
:lol
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A Federal election, a US election and a Richmond flag.
:lol
What do a couple of elections have to do with Richmond winning a flag? :huh
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I think he's getting at the fact that last time we won the flag there was a Federal election here & a Presidential election over there.....
Though perhaps '65 has forgotten that the conservatives won both elections back then ...unless he's hoping for a Turnbull-Trump-Tigers trifecta.... :shh
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I think he's getting at the fact that last time we won the flag there was a Federal election here & a Presidential election over there.....
Though perhaps '65 has forgotten that the conservatives won both elections back then ...unless he's hoping for a Turnbull-Trump-Tigers trifecta.... :shh
Turnbull is a left wing republican Greenie from way back. :thumbsup
Trump would certainly shake things up a little. :lol
Tigers win the flag and I will die a happy man.
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Fair enough, I'll see if I can get a hundred on that multi.....
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At least trump is a nutter, not a puppet..
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At least trump is a nutter, not a puppet..
Hmmmmm not so sure Stalin. Remember who owns the US govt...
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Good to see Turnbull not bending over for the Americans.
:thumbsup
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At least trump is a nutter, not a puppet..
Hmmmmm not so sure Stalin. Remember who owns the US govt...
The fed reserve share holders ?
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Stakeholders of the bank of international settlements?
Don't leave me hanging
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The top 0.1%
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Petrochemical captains of industry the Koch brothers have spent almost 1 billion dollars on influencing the 2016 US election
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html?_r=2&referer=http://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2015/aug/07/maybe-koch-isnt-worried-about-climate-change-because-he-doesnt-get-the-science
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It is going to be an interesting year.
Defiant Tony Abbott finally reveals he will stay in politics and fight the next election
Date January 24, 2016 - 9:01PM
James Massola
Political correspondent
A defiant Tony Abbott has resisted calls for him to quit politics and will recontest his seat of Warringah at the next federal election.
The decision, announced on Sunday evening on his personal website, means the former prime minister will look to extend his 22 years in politics and potentially creates a political headache for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defiant-tony-abbott-finally-reveals-he-will-stay-in-politics-and-fight-the-next-election-20160124-gmd3jd.html#ixzz3y9r8jyoy
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/2016-australian-of-the-year-winners-revealed/news-story/f1d962e17c656d1bb5c611aa42b95912
Another token award to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy. Let's be honest he was chosen only because it's the buzz word at the moment. Looking at the other nominees it's clear they wanted another Rosie batty in there. Surprised the channel 7 reporter wasn't a nominee
Fighting for gender pay? Give me a break. If woman have the same level of experience as a man and can do the job then fine. If not FO
In the coming years I think woman will be given jobs just to Prove a gender point even though they aren't capable of doing that job. It's become a big circus now.
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Fighting for gender pay? Give me a break. If woman have the same level of experience as a man and can do the job then fine.
Gotta a newsflash it doesn't happen. It should but it doesn't.
All data available shows that women get paid less than men on similar roles and if you think that it isn't the case then you are living in a dream world.
Suggest you get a hold of some of the annual renummeration reports that get issued and you may learn soemthing.
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Fighting for gender pay? Give me a break. If woman have the same level of experience as a man and can do the job then fine.
Gotta a newsflash it doesn't happen. It should but it doesn't.
All data available shows that women get paid less than men on similar roles and if you think that it isn't the case then you are living in a dream world.
Suggest you get a hold of some of the annual renummeration reports that get issued and you may learn soemthing.
Isn't that illegal WP? How would a male and female be paid differently for the same job under award wages? And if women were paid less, wouldn't businesses be loaded with them because they are cheaper to employ?
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Fighting for gender pay? Give me a break. If woman have the same level of experience as a man and can do the job then fine.
Gotta a newsflash it doesn't happen. It should but it doesn't.
All data available shows that women get paid less than men on similar roles and if you think that it isn't the case then you are living in a dream world.
Suggest you get a hold of some of the annual renummeration reports that get issued and you may learn soemthing.
Isn't that illegal WP? How would a male and female be paid differently for the same job under award wages? And if women were paid less, wouldn't businesses be loaded with them because they are cheaper to employ?
Award wages? Whats that
Salaried workers lets just say things work a bit differently :snidegrin
And BTW i forgot to post lst noght the Australian of the Year is slected by an independent panel not pollies
Panel is chaired by Ben Roberts-Smith and he is a person pf outstanding quality
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And BTW i forgot to post lst noght the Australian of the Year is slected by an independent panel not pollies
Panel is chaired by Ben Roberts-Smith and he is a person pf outstanding quality
ex-Army methinks
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Fighting for gender pay? Give me a break. If woman have the same level of experience as a man and can do the job then fine.
Gotta a newsflash it doesn't happen. It should but it doesn't.
All data available shows that women get paid less than men on similar roles and if you think that it isn't the case then you are living in a dream world.
Suggest you get a hold of some of the annual renummeration reports that get issued and you may learn soemthing.
yes but does it show the facts on salaried workers. Experience being 1. Most woman take time off work and im sorry by doing so find themselves behind the 8 ball in that department. If they can show they are up to it fine, but if they cant then sit down and stop stuffin whinging
I have no issue with them being paid more, in fact i would support it but what we see now is the same old type of people trying to push their own agendas.
Anyway.......
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Q: Why do women have smaller feet than men?
A: So they can stand closer to the kitchen sink.
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https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI
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Barnaby Joyce in the new Nationals leader and deputy PM.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/nationals-leadership-battle-heats-up-amid-speculation-warren-truss-will-retire/news-story/a61afdd92102917fb90e5fbcb1ac98d1)
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Barnaby Joyce in the new Nationals leader and deputy PM.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/nationals-leadership-battle-heats-up-amid-speculation-warren-truss-will-retire/news-story/a61afdd92102917fb90e5fbcb1ac98d1)
Heaven helps us... ;D
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Barnaby Joyce in the new Nationals leader and deputy PM.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/nationals-leadership-battle-heats-up-amid-speculation-warren-truss-will-retire/news-story/a61afdd92102917fb90e5fbcb1ac98d1)
Heaven helps us... ;D
Reminds me of the old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times" which translates to "May you experience much disorder and trouble in your life"
I think Turnbull's life just got a little more interesting.
:lol
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I think Turnbull's life just got a little more interesting.
:lol
:yep
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Barnaby Joyce in the new Nationals leader and deputy PM.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/nationals-leadership-battle-heats-up-amid-speculation-warren-truss-will-retire/news-story/a61afdd92102917fb90e5fbcb1ac98d1)
Heaven helps us... ;D
Barnaby has more idea than most:
http://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/who-owns-our-debt/
http://barnabyisright.com/tag/federal-reserve/
http://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/tick-tick-tick-aussie-banks-15-trillion-time-bomb/
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Well Labor just won my vote.
Negative gearing changes might give my two boys a chance at their first home.
:thumbsup
That and I thought Turnbull might fix the NBN and do something about climate change but he has come up with nothing.
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Well Labor just won my vote.
Negative gearing changes might give my two boys a chance at their first home.
:thumbsup
That and I thought Turnbull might fix the NBN and do something about climate change but he has come up with nothing.
Please. Shows how you chop and change
tell your kids to stop dreaming for the mcmansion mate. Plenty of houses and units under 400k
Good luck to Bill though i think he will make a great PM
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Oh please....as if '65 was ever going to vote LNP....
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Oh please....as if '65 was ever going to vote LNP....
he plays the i only hate abbott but open to anyone else card, but in reality we all know the truth
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Oh please....as if '65 was ever going to vote LNP....
he plays the i only hate abbott but open to anyone else card, but in reality we all know the truth
:lol
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he plays the i only hate abbott but open to anyone else card, but in reality we all know the truth
Just a reminder of some of Tony's best moments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmR9CesbXk
:lol
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http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/unemployment-climbs-back-to-6-per-cent-20160217-gmx0qp.html
Unemployment rate back up to 6% and the dollar down to US71.40¢.
This government has no effing idea.
Do-nothing Turnbull and his 30 word slogans can go and get stuffed.
:banghead
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Right on cue hey Diocletian
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Latest Newspoll has Labor and the Coalition at 50/50 two party preferred.
Game on.
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Latest Newspoll has Labor and the Coalition at 50/50 two party preferred.
Game on.
If Bill can just get his poo together...
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bills an idiot!
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bill. Give me a break. Bents would do a better job than that flog
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The massive divisions between the factions within the Liberal party are part of the reason behind this mess. The ultra conservatives are no different to the Tea Partyists in the States and are driven by blind 1950s and fanatical religious ideology. They are also still bitter about their man Abbott being overthrown by Turnbull and the liberal moderates. They will oppose any move towards the political centre by Turnbull, so Turnbull has become forced by his own party to play Abbott-lite to stay PM. meaning nothing has changed.
The other reason is the LNP's own cheap political rhetoric from the last election has come back to bite them. It's hard to argue for tax reform such as increasing the GST when you've been running around for the past 7 years squealing about opposing any "big tax on everything". It's hard to argue for mature, apolitical, rational and in depth debates on important issues when you've happily parroted simpleton 3 word slogans ad nauseum since 2009 under Abbott. It's hard to argue "adults are in charge now" when you've become a government of musical chairs and indecisiveness, copying the worse aspects of the previous Labor government under Rudd-Gillard.
It's not surprising there's talk Turnbull wants these Senate voting "reforms", that heavily favour the LNP, to pass quickly and then call an early election. Getting in early while the polls are still okay and pinching even a narrow win, would give him 3 more years and most likely see the LNP control both houses. If he decides to wait the full term, and especially if the budget is another unpopular ideological-based flop, then his own personal ratings may head south along with the LNP's.
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Lol @ the safe sex program telling 11 year olds there are nae men and women , but rather gender is fluid
And the great downsides on heterosexual relationships
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$195 billion on defence. One more thing to do, appoint Tony Abbott to be Minister of Defence.
That might keep the backbench quiet
Massive $150b submarine program the centrepiece of Turnbull government Defence plan
Date February 25, 2016 - 10:24PM
David Wroe
A submarine program that could cost $150 billion by the middle of the century is the centrepiece of a massive military modernisation program the Turnbull government says is needed to maintain Australia's edge over rapidly evolving defence forces across Asia.
Declaring the nation's new defence blueprint "clear-eyed and unsentimental" in its assessment of the 21st century threats, Malcolm Turnbull on Thursday unveiled his long-awaited 20-year plan for the military.
The Defence white paper says the government will pump $195 billion over the next decade into new military hardware, with an unprecedented focus on cyber and high-tech intelligence and space-based capabilities.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/massive-150b-submarine-program-the-centrepiece-of-turnbull-government-defence-plan-20160225-gn3tgx.html#ixzz41DLlf9S0
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$195 billion on defence. One more thing to do, appoint Tony Abbott to be Minister of Defence.
That might keep the backbench quiet
Massive $150b submarine program the centrepiece of Turnbull government Defence plan
Date February 25, 2016 - 10:24PM
David Wroe
A submarine program that could cost $150 billion by the middle of the century is the centrepiece of a massive military modernisation program the Turnbull government says is needed to maintain Australia's edge over rapidly evolving defence forces across Asia.
Declaring the nation's new defence blueprint "clear-eyed and unsentimental" in its assessment of the 21st century threats, Malcolm Turnbull on Thursday unveiled his long-awaited 20-year plan for the military.
The Defence white paper says the government will pump $195 billion over the next decade into new military hardware, with an unprecedented focus on cyber and high-tech intelligence and space-based capabilities.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/massive-150b-submarine-program-the-centrepiece-of-turnbull-government-defence-plan-20160225-gn3tgx.html#ixzz41DLlf9S0
You have in issue with us investing in our defence forces after years of neglect?
:gobdrop
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No, he just has an issue with a conservative government doing it... :shh
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195 billion hey?
How many hospitals is that? Science research?
Thought not long ago the Libs were trying to say we were financially in big trouble?
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Let's put the pieces together on the deliberate and premeditated redistribution of wealth under Turnbull.
Sought to abolish penalty rates for low wage workers - tick.
Sought to increase GST which will of course disproportionate tax lower income earners over higher income earners - tick
Sought to cut taxes for those earning over 100 under the guise if bracket creep, whilst at the same coincidental time, the media covered street brawls and violence as front page stories - tick.
Maintain massive billion dollar subsidies for Gina and friends - tick.
Meanwhile announcement of 200 billion defence improvements. I wonder who will bid for contracts. Surely nobody who sits on what boards whos companies made contributions to the liberal party election fundraisers. Tick pending.
It astounds me how right of centre we have become.
Extreme capitalism whilst most of the working and middle class is asleep.....
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You have in issue with us investing in our defence forces after years of neglect?
:gobdrop
Not the total just what they are spending our money on.
The world is changing rapidly and we need to change out thinking with it.
The money could be spent in other areas that will protect our country from new threats.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-26/nasu-we-must-prepare-for-a-new-type-of-security-threat/7201656
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Just to put it in perspective; 195 bill is more than what all levels of government spend on education and health combined as of the 14/15 budget.
And health and education are flooded with funding, plenty of room for cuts there. :whistle
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Can anybody tell me why we aren't looking at nuclear subs?
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No issue with the defence spending. The only odd thing was the statement put out claiming that defence spending should be independent of the state of the economy and hence the budget.
Anyway, Abbott today reminding everyone how deluded and out of touch he was as PM and still is. Clearly, waiting around to undermine Turnbull and hoping to topple Mal to get his old gig back.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/tony-abbott-has-said-he-would-have-won-the-election/news-story/c8c88853b5099015f3caf1937cbceaad
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A varied night.
Went to the Greek festival, ate in Chinatown, was part of the "Let them stay" protest and then went and saw a very entertaining play "Lungs"at the Fairfax.
Best part of the night was the Tigers beating the Hawks.
:thumbsup
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Can anybody tell me why we aren't looking at nuclear subs?
Are we 'allowed' to have nuclear subs?
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lol what a serious waste of money these strike fighter jets will be.
planes that were originaly designed as bombers that rely on stealth but are not really that stealth and we plan to use them as fighters
lmao
they use the fuel to cool the electronics, so wont start when the fuel is too hot. fuel will have to be kept in aircon bunkers.
can only be serviced by the yanks so cannot be used in a conflict without their say so
are so load they exceed noise pollution levels.will not be able to be flown out of darwin, only tindal
cost of production is forever blowing but we continue to stick fat. The canadians abandoned them ages ago.
despite there being other planes on the market that are faster, more manuevable, cheaper to buy, cheaper to run and all ready in production these clowns still want to waste money on these duds, that may even be obsolete before we take delivery
will end up being a bigger stuff up than the collins class subs, all at a time when the chinese are sabre rattling in the south china sea, building bases and declaring international flight paths in the area as chinese territory .
yet the right wing morons will defend the govt just because they are right wing morons too.
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:clapping
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:clapping
:clapping :clapping
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i want at least 7 Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers
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TWO WORDS - NUCLEAR stuffing WEAPONS!
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Can anybody tell me why we aren't looking at nuclear subs?
was talking to someone the other night who gained a lot of knowledge in this field during their working life and he explained to me why we dont
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Cause th seppos will steal our nukes?
Like they did to Ukraine
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Can anybody tell me why we aren't looking at nuclear subs?
was talking to someone the other night who gained a lot of knowledge in this field during their working life and he explained to me why we dont
and...
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He can tell ya but you have to be killed after
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He can tell ya but you have to be killed after
Could he tell a few more on here as well please
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Politics and us playing the good (well passive) cop
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nuclear powered, not armed with nukes
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whats the point of that ffs ...
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lol really?
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if you going to have nuclear powered subs put some nukes in them
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if you going to have nuclear powered subs put some nukes in them
No nukes on the mainland, why is it a surprise none are proposed in the sea?
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but the question at hand is "why not have nukes in the land or sea (Australia)" penny knows, but she want share cause its classified
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no, i know why we dont have nuclear powered subs and its not classified
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Your a tease
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Pretty much open warfare between Abbott and Turnbull now. Both leaking and getting their respective supporters in the media to trash the other.
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Just wondering where all the Abbott lovers have gone.
:lol
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Commercial road, Tuesdays, dressed in drag
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Just wondering where all the Abbott lovers have gone.
:lol
Still wondering.
:cheers
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Just wondering where all the Abbott lovers have gone.
:lol
Still obsessively spamming the board about the same boring subject.
:cheers
e.f.a
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It is going to be a fascinating election.
Tony Windsor is expected to announce tomorrow that he will run as an independent against Barnaby Joyce.
If he gets Labor and Greens preferences he has a chance.
:thumbsup
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/federal-election-2016-tony-windsor-to-run-against-barnaby-joyce-in-seat-of-new-england-20160308-gne60v.html
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It is going to be a fascinating election.l
wrong
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Yes mainstream party politics is always fascinating.....to boring, indoctrinated & unimaginative sheep with no lives....
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Yes mainstream party politics is always fascinating.....to boring, indoctrinated & unimaginative sheep with no lives....
Sad little man.
:lol
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Yes, many of them are indeed....
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Yes, many of them are indeed....
Can't argue with that.
Let's see...
Howard, Abbott...
:thumbsup
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The ABCC legislation has now been held back by the Government until May. Unless the budget is moved forward a week then there'll be no double dissolution.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/speculation-about-double-dissolution-election-continues-as-government-delays-key-bill/news-story/7ab90ec2bc97de4e9c2e62151fc19ced
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Too bad your Serb mates didn't turn up..... :shh
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Too bad your Serb mates didn't turn up..... :shh
dont think the hala food festival was top of the to-do list
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So...
Who thinks Turnbull has any chance at all?
:cheers
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So...
Who thinks Turnbull has any chance at all?
:cheers
Me.
Will win and win easy.
And so they should.
Shorten, LOL. Please
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lol,
political parties are the scourge of our political system, and those who vote for them just feed the monster
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lol,
political parties are the scourge of our political system, and those who vote for them just feed the monster
:clapping :clapping
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So what is the solution.
Not to vote?
:cheers
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(http://img.ifcdn.com/images/27cf4cf55817ba1119c6962cb5390228452ecc13b15f74a89f2a2ded47d12695_1.jpg)
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So what is the solution.
Not to vote?
:cheers
just stop voting for candidates that are members of political parties. create a consensus government by stealth and then outlaw them.
will never happen though, too many unthinking barrackers that think that the team they follow can do no wrong, or even worse, swallow the poo stained rhetoric that only the major political parties can achieve anything.
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(http://img.ifcdn.com/images/27cf4cf55817ba1119c6962cb5390228452ecc13b15f74a89f2a2ded47d12695_1.jpg)
:lol
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lol,
political parties are the scourge of our political system, and those who vote for them just feed the monster
:clapping
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Quite simple .
Betting on modern politics is big business.
1965, you can get better than 3.00 about Shorten's mob.
If you really believe the poo you speak, put your money where your mouth is and make a fortune.
Don't expect you will. Like Labor, soft.
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Quite simple .
Betting on modern politics is big business.
1965, you can get better than 3.00 about Shorten's mob.
If you really believe the poo you speak, put your money where your mouth is and make a fortune.
Don't expect you will. Like Labor, soft.
I have the flog at $5 on a crappy $20 bonus bet.
Turnbull is closing the gap on being just as useless as Shorton, which I never thought would be possible.
At least Abbott, Gillard, Rudd, rightly or wrongly actually made things happen. These guys FMD.
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At least Abbott, Gillard, Rudd, rightly or wrongly actually made things happen. These guys FMD.
OMG, I agree with you ;D :lol
That's a political first :thumbsup
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So what is the solution.
Not to vote?
:cheers
Lock up the 62 blokes that own half the earth
Good start
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[Insert broken record]Same broken bloated 3-tier monarchist political system repeats the same mistakes and reproduces the same failed results. We need constitutional reform.[/Remove broken record]
Another dud policy announcement today from Turnbull with infrastructure spending for Victoria all for roads and stuff all for rail/PT ::). Hello again failed 1960s/70s LA freeway/tollroad mentality :facepalm.
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Stop complaining you lot. Finally, we are in good hands.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/barnaby-joyce-is-acting-prime-minister-for-the-first-time-while-malcolm-turnbull-visits-china/news-story/acd9bca7abd2be304645ab861ef20d0d
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"If you do not manage debt, debt manages you" – Barnaby Joyce, 25 February 2010
Why, is he any worse than Howard, Julia, abbot and other assorted monkeys?
At least he has the balls to say the Feds a scam :clapping
Well done big barnaby
https://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/who-owns-our-debt/
https://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/tick-tick-tick-aussie-banks-15-trillion-time-bomb/
https://barnabyisright.com/2012/02/05/think-youve-got-cash-in-the-bank-think-again/
https://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/reserve-bank-robs-us-by-stealth/
A preemptive attack on any "conspiracy" flogs, the bloke is PM, chances are he's got more idea than u :shh
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:cheers
like i said we are in good hands if he is our leader.
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Heading for a hung parliament according to the polls. Latest Essential and ReachTEL polls both have the main parties split at 50-50.
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Bronwyn Bishop has flown in her last taxpayer-funded helicopter. Dumped from pre-selection for her seat by the Libs tonight.
Still she gets ... a taxpayer-funded pension for life worth an estimated $200,000-a-year and a life gold pass for free domestic flights. The Life Gold Pass to be awarded to her when she exits politics at the next election will entitle her to fly around Australia on domestic flights up to 10 times a year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bronwyn-bishops-battle-for-preselection-for-seat-of-mackellar/news-story/a3952ff8574dde0fc52e31947e7704d6
So much for cuts to curb expenditure and debt ::).
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I'd love to know what the cost for taxpayers is when you add up all the ex MP pensions and freebies they get? Got to be a massive expense if one pension is at 200k, how many ex mp's are still alive?
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Barnaby Joyce - is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?
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I suppose the other side of the argument is that representing constituents is one of the highest public service roles one can fill, and would therefore deserve apt compensation. After all, we do need some incentive to get the best possible individuals involved in politics.
200k sounds excessive and probably is, but most public service jobs receive retirement benefits that greatly outway commercial counterparts. That's why everyone hates teachers :shh
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Game on
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Game on
Who cares? Really?
I know don't
Just another in the long list of examples of pollies wanting to win at any cost as opposed to actually doing the job they elected to do
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Correct William. I couldn't care less about these 2 idiots.
What a big time failure both would be.
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Hmmm
Climate change?
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3aw discussing australian politics is mind numbing
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Hmmm
Climate change?
I appreciate that this is extremely important issue to you
But for me right now with what's going on this great country of ours Climate Change is at the bottom of the ladder
So many far more pressing issues of which neither part is willing to tackle. All they are about is trying gain power and then stuffing things up more than what they are.... and then blaming all other sides of politics (including the independents) for their collective incompetence
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Hmmm
Climate change?
I appreciate that this is extremely important issue to you
But for me right now with what's going on this great country of ours Climate Change is at the bottom of the ladder
So many far more pressing issues of which neither part is willing to tackle. All they are about is trying gain power and then stuffing things up more than what they are.... and then blaming all other sides of politics (including the independents) for their collective incompetence
Like what?
The share price of bp?
You don't much strike me as too worried about unethical invasions of other nation states or the richest not paying tax
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Hmmm
Climate change?
I appreciate that this is extremely important issue to you
But for me right now with what's going on this great country of ours Climate Change is at the bottom of the ladder
So many far more pressing issues of which neither part is willing to tackle. All they are about is trying gain power and then stuffing things up more than what they are.... and then blaming all other sides of politics (including the independents) for their collective incompetence
No grandchildren yet?
:cheers
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Hmmm
Climate change?
I appreciate that this is extremely important issue to you
But for me right now with what's going on this great country of ours Climate Change is at the bottom of the ladder
So many far more pressing issues of which neither part is willing to tackle. All they are about is trying gain power and then stuffing things up more than what they are.... and then blaming all other sides of politics (including the independents) for their collective incompetence
No grandchildren yet?
:cheers
If WP or anyone hasn't reproduced, then they're already making a far more meaningful contribution towards protecting the environment than you, I or some useless feel-good government policy ever could.
:cheers
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Hmmm
Climate change?
I appreciate that this is extremely important issue to you
But for me right now with what's going on this great country of ours Climate Change is at the bottom of the ladder
So many far more pressing issues of which neither part is willing to tackle. All they are about is trying gain power and then stuffing things up more than what they are.... and then blaming all other sides of politics (including the independents) for their collective incompetence
No grandchildren yet?
:cheers
Not that I see the relevance
But no I don't have grand children because we don't have children (which is no ones business but ours I might add)
But I do have a grand niece and I want the things right for her and that starts with things like getting education, health to name 2 before the climate
Like what?
The share price of bp?
You don't much strike me as too worried about unethical invasions of other nation states or the richest not paying tax
Another great contribution ::). "unethical invasions"? please, spare me your conspiracy theories.
Share prices - don't care about them at all
Richest people not paying their share of taxes - absolutely
Things I am interested in about looking after elderly pensioners and the less fortunate eg those with disabilities, getting health care in this country you know hospitals, reigning in welfare so those who deserve it and need get it rather it going to those who don't, law an order, education
Want me to go on :huh
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Hmmm
Climate change?
I appreciate that this is extremely important issue to you
But for me right now with what's going on this great country of ours Climate Change is at the bottom of the ladder
So many far more pressing issues of which neither part is willing to tackle. All they are about is trying gain power and then stuffing things up more than what they are.... and then blaming all other sides of politics (including the independents) for their collective incompetence
No grandchildren yet?
:cheers
Doesn't matter if the oceans are rooted and no trees left...
As long as the economy is strong :shh
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Not that I see the relevance
But no I don't have grand children because we don't have children (which is no ones business but ours I might add)
But I do have a grand niece and I want the things right for her and that starts with things like getting education, health to name 2 before the climate
My apologies, it is certainly none of my business.
I just think that climate change is happening quickly, just look at the Great Barrier Reef.
If the world goes to crap then good health and education systems won't do us much good.
But maybe we can look after all three at the same time.
:cheers
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'Worse things in store': Steaming hot world sets more temperature records
Date April 20, 2016 -
Peter Hannam
The Earth sizzled in March with the most unusually warm month in recorded history as average land surface temperatures easily exceeded levels deemed by scientists to constitute dangerous climate change.
The abnormal weather has continued into April as the most powerful tropical cyclone ever recorded in the Indian Ocean dumped rain at rates reaching 300 mm an hour, and Australian scientists declared the worst coral bleaching event ever on the Great Barrier Reef.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/worse-things-in-store-steaming-hot-world-sets-more-temperature-records-20160419-goaf58.html#ixzz46KRUXxBL
Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook
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Probably a shape shifting reptilian to boot
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Where are all the Abbott lovers now :cheers
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A pretty directionless budget last night economically. Since the GFC, Treasury predictions of falling deficits in the forward estimates and a "path" to surplus have been so far off the mark that you can't take them seriously anymore. The Government trying to keep things politically neutral and sure up the traditional LNP demographic before the election.
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well this election campaign is off to a flying start, but yeah abbott is much worse than these 2 fine leaders. :thumbsup
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Wish our politicians were made of sterner stuff
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/05/11/obama-to-make-historic-visit-to-hiroshima.html?ref=BP_RSS_top-stories_1_obama-to-make-historic-visit-to-hiroshima_110516
But the White House said last week that he will not offer an apology for the atomic bombing - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/05/11/obama-to-make-historic-visit-to-hiroshima.html?ref=BP_RSS_top-stories_1_obama-to-make-historic-visit-to-hiroshima_110516#sthash.BnAj1W0j.dpuf
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Happy about a sorry for Dresden
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(https://canislupuspc.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/quote-if-voting-made-any-difference-they-wouldn-t-let-us-do-it-mark-twain-44-73-40.jpg?w=580)
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Geez, yesterday proved once again we have some right royal idiots as politicians. Firstly, Dutton and his dog-whistle comment about refugees being illiterate and taking Australian jobs :facepalm :huh3. Then, there was Feeney "forgetting" he had a $2.3 million property to declare :facepalm.
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bents
I given you your very own thread to post all your non aussie political stuff / links etc and have merged the USA election stuff
Let's try and keep this thread about aussie politics
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bents
I given you your very own thread to post all your non aussie political stuff / links etc and have merged the USA election stuff
Let's try and keep this thread about aussie politics
:bow
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bents
I given you your very own thread to post all your non aussie political stuff / links etc and have merged the USA election stuff
Let's try and keep this thread about aussie politics
:bow
Yes let's focus on some australian idiot undeclared 4th house in kew instead of the the central intelligence agency destroying the one and only copy of it's torture report
Enjoy te election 65. Should be fabulous
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Just had the honorable Julie Bishop come to our house as part of the rounds.
A fine woman she is. Would certainly do a better job than the 2 clowns currently on offer
Labor are finished in this seat of Bruce.
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:lol
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:lol
too funny
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Just had the honorable Julie Bishop come to our house as part of the rounds.
A fine woman she is. Would certainly do a better job than the 2 clowns currently on offer
She seems to prefer being the 'kingmaker'. She's remained deputy despite 4 changes of leadership.
Labor are finished in this seat of Bruce.
There's a very mixed demographic in that seat. Northern parts around Waverley would be traditionally more 'Liberal', while the south around Clayton & Dandenong would be traditionally more Labor. The ALP kept hold of the seat despite the huge swing against them at the last election. I bet Dutton's idiotic comments about "illiterate migrants taking Aussie jobs" would've gone down well in the electorate with the highest migrant population in the country :doh.
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only reason they survived last time was the folk around here liked Alan Griffin. There is no Alan to save them this time, no matter how much the libs try and stuff this up.
Prior to Griffin this part around Mulgrave/W Hill was a strong Liberal area and after we see more of the great Bishop, the ALP is all finito.
Another seat that the shortman will have to try and hold. :thumbsup
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Is Barnaby Joyce our Donald Trump?
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Hope so
Build a wall keel out the undesirables - sheepshaggers, inbreds SA / Tassie , nsw/queen slanders
Barnaby Is Right
https://barnabyisright.com
:shh
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'Worse things in store': Steaming hot world sets more temperature records
Date April 20, 2016 -
Peter Hannam
The Earth sizzled in March with the most unusually warm month in recorded history as average land surface temperatures easily exceeded levels deemed by scientists to constitute dangerous climate change.
The abnormal weather has continued into April as the most powerful tropical cyclone ever recorded in the Indian Ocean dumped rain at rates reaching 300 mm an hour, and Australian scientists declared the worst coral bleaching event ever on the Great Barrier Reef.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/worse-things-in-store-steaming-hot-world-sets-more-temperature-records-20160419-goaf58.html#ixzz46KRUXxBL
Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook
A third of it is dead ...
http://m.imgur.com/PhPVutA?r
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Turnbull's tax cuts for business plans are a complete waste of time.
Fraction of small businesses likely to use Coalition tax cuts to expand – industry body
Council of Small Business of Australia chief says only about 40,000 of the 870,000 small businesses receiving the cut are likely to use the bonus
Only about 40,000 of the 870,000 small businesses getting a tax cut under the Coalition’s “jobs and growth” plan are likely to use the bonus to expand their operations, according to the Council of Small Business of Australia (Cosboa).
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/01/fraction-of-small-businesses-likely-to-use-coalition-tax-cuts-to-expand-industry-body
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http://m.imgur.com/pBnbY4z?r
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=4AeXiBneQjM&t=3m14s
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=4AeXiBneQjM&t=3m14s
If I had a collar on right now I'd be pullling it and saying "gauuuggghh"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wol70cBLNd8
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Just voted. Go the Pirate party.
Arrrrrhhhh
Off to Darwin for the school holidays.
Anybody got any tips on what to do?
Cheers
'65
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Just voted. Go the Pirate party.
Arrrrrhhhh
Off to Darwin for the school holidays.
Anybody got any tips on what to do?
Cheers
'65
Tim's surt and turf for great steak.
Litchfield.
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:lol Tims surf and Turf. not too far up from Maccas
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great joint :thumbsup open your wallett you tightarse and appreciate some good dining ffs
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I'd advise '65 to just go catch his own Barra....preferably by hand.....in an estuary.....
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Arbeit macht frei on liberal posters ...
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The polls are saying it's going to be close (50-50) and it must be given the way both sides have all of a sudden amped up their negative campaigns and the media asking Di Natalie today what he's going to do if there's a hung parliament.
The seat-by-seat polling is crazy. Large swings in marginals (7%) from poll to poll (mind you they are from small samples so they are hard to believe). SA is a total unknown given NXT.
Unless the polls are completely wrong (like they were in that last UK election), it seems the LNP will hold onto power in the lower house (losing 8-10 net seats) but disaffection with the major parties will have the Senate even more controlled by minor parties and independents than we had over the past 3 years. Essentially defeating the purpose of Turnbull calling a DD election and giving us more of the same for another 3 years :P.
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great joint :thumbsup open your wallett you tightarse and appreciate some good dining ffs
lol no problem with opening the wallet for good food, not that run of the mill crap though.
I'm surprised at your low standard in food taste Dan.
How bout not bout not being a tight arse, opening your wallet and trying Char, for some top notch food ( caveat, havnt been for over 12 months)
you can find better food than Tims garbage at a number of pubs around the traps.
Even the chew and spew you get on the wharf is at least on par with tim's
true top quality food is hard to find in Darwin though.
Minolis can be good, but had average as well.
you can get lucky at various places down at cullen bay, does seem to be hit and miss
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Expect to be reading about Senator Hinch very soon ;D
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A lot of kiddie fiddlers must be getting very nervous...
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clne9DwWgAAhxqJ.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/745872460298457089
:laugh:
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great joint :thumbsup open your wallett you tightarse and appreciate some good dining ffs
lol no problem with opening the wallet for good food, not that run of the mill crap though.
I'm surprised at your low standard in food taste Dan.
How bout not bout not being a tight arse, opening your wallet and trying Char, for some top notch food ( caveat, havnt been for over 12 months)
you can find better food than Tims garbage at a number of pubs around the traps.
Even the chew and spew you get on the wharf is at least on par with tim's
true top quality food is hard to find in Darwin though.
Minolis can be good, but had average as well.
you can get lucky at various places down at cullen bay, does seem to be hit and miss
Just ate at Char. Had the nicest vegetarian meal ever.
Thank you for the suggestion.
:cheers
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Anyone prepared to tip a result and seats to each party?
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Anyone prepared to tip a result and seats to each party?
Coalition to be re-elected with a reduced majority = will lose a number of seats
Though wouldn't be at all surprise if end up like we did a few years ago, hung parliament or minority govt ;D
Senate is the one that I'm really interested in
Will the 2 main parties "bullying" tactics (read the changes to voting to try and limit the number of minor parties & independents) give them what they want? I doubt it ;D
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Ill tip:-
Coalition 79
ALP - 65
Green/indep 6
From memory atm the current seats are:-
Coalition 90
ALP 56
Greaan/indep 4
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Clamping down on the dole bludgers will no doubt fix the economy
Well done :cheers
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http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/06/29/13/24/bill-shorten-falls-foul-of-karl-stefanovics-budget-surplus-grilling
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Are the liberals going to pay the 5.7 trillion debt ?
Going to have to really crack down on welfare cheats
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Coalition 70
ALP - 70
Green/indep/x party 10
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A week or so ago, I would've had the LNP scraping in after losing 10 seats in the lower house, and minor parties once again holding the balance of power in the Senate.
Now, I think the LNP will only lose a few seats (and hang on to a few others within a whisker) and push towards a working majority in the Senate (with the LibDem & Family First types :help). I hope I'm wrong about the latter.
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Coalition 78
ALP - 67
Green/indep 5
Senate
I Reckon
Hinch and his Justice Party will get at least 3 seats
Ricky Muir & the delightful Jackie Lambie will both get re-elected :snidegrin
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What a fine job big dan is doing to cripple the ALP's hopes at their final hour of need
:lol :lol :lol
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What a fine job big dan is doing to cripple the ALP's hopes at their final hour of need
:lol :lol :lol
Political naivety on Dan's behalf.
All he did was accept the umpire's (Fair Work Australia) decision.
But yes he may have cost Labor the election.
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Ate at Antiquity last night.
The croquettes are to die for. Local mango, caramelised onions and greek feta. A dish worth coming to Darwin for.
:thumbsup
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What a fine job big dan is doing to cripple the ALP's hopes at their final hour of need
:lol :lol :lol
Political naivety on Dan's behalf.
All he did was accept the umpire's (Fair Work Australia) decision.
But yes he may have cost Labor the election.
union influence rife again in this political party.
Shorton, a flog himself must be fuming. Would be a fitting peace of Karma watching William bow out of politics by one of his own.
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As opposed to big oil big pharma banksters Zionist flogs pulling the strings @ liberal
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Word is Abbott will be offered the London post just to get rid of him.
:snidegrin
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Political naivety on Dan's behalf.
All he did was accept the umpire's (Fair Work Australia) decision.
But yes he may have cost Labor the election.
Accepted the umpires decision :huh
Please he did a deal first and yes he has cost the ALP any chance of winning this election
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Political naivety on Dan's behalf.
All he did was accept the umpire's (Fair Work Australia) decision.
But yes he may have cost Labor the election.
Accepted the umpires decision :huh
Please he did a deal first and yes he has cost the ALP any chance of winning this election
WADR rubbish
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Political naivety on Dan's behalf.
All he did was accept the umpire's (Fair Work Australia) decision.
But yes he may have cost Labor the election.
Accepted the umpires decision :huh
Please he did a deal first and yes he has cost the ALP any chance of winning this election
WADR rubbish
Not rubbish
He had meetigns with the union over this pay deal before it went Fairwork
All he did was after he and the union reached an agreement and presented it to Fairwork he accepted Fairworks recommended changes.
On this issue the Vic premier has stuffed up, he can sugar coat it anyway he likes but he did a deal with the union to get this settled
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Political naivety on Dan's behalf.
All he did was accept the umpire's (Fair Work Australia) decision.
But yes he may have cost Labor the election.
Accepted the umpires decision :huh
Please he did a deal first and yes he has cost the ALP any chance of winning this election
WADR rubbish
Not rubbish
He had meetigns with the union over this pay deal before it went Fairwork
All he did was after he and the union reached an agreement and presented it to Fairwork he accepted Fairworks recommended changes.
On this issue the Vic premier has stuffed up, he can sugar coat it anyway he likes but he did a deal with the union to get this settled
Words
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Political naivety on Dan's behalf.
All he did was accept the umpire's (Fair Work Australia) decision.
But yes he may have cost Labor the election.
Accepted the umpires decision :huh
Please he did a deal first and yes he has cost the ALP any chance of winning this election
WADR rubbish
Not rubbish
He had meetigns with the union over this pay deal before it went Fairwork
All he did was after he and the union reached an agreement and presented it to Fairwork he accepted Fairworks recommended changes.
On this issue the Vic premier has stuffed up, he can sugar coat it anyway he likes but he did a deal with the union to get this settled
Words
Find it hard to believe that a senior experienced politician, the very definition of premeditation and calculation would innocently stumble in and out of this sort of situation blind......then again....these arent brain surgeons
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The CFA issue comes back to the old MFB/CFA zones now being completely out of date. IIRC, the zones were set up in the 1960s with the MFB covering a 20km radius 'limit' from the CBD and the CFA covering the rest. The idea was the MFB covers the main metro/surburban areas and the CFA covers the outer sparse fringe suburbs, regional towns and the rest of country Victoria.
Each fire brigade was set up to reflect the needs of these two separate regions. The MFB was made up of on-call career firefighters at its manned fire stations to deal with urgent urban fires (eg: houses, shops, industry complexes, etc), while the CFA was mostly made-up of volunteers made up of local residents of their communities who would respond to their local stations when needed (eg: bushfires). If further firefighters were needed by one volunteer brigade then they would call on other volunteer and manned (career firefighters) stations further away to come and help. It's how the CFA builds up what they call a "surge capacity" to fight bushfires. The CFA is volunteer brigade(s) respond first and others support them; The MFB is the opposite - career firefighters respond first.
However, times have changed. Melbourne's urban sprawl has smashed through this old 20km boundary 'limit' yet the old MFB/CFA boundaries have never been changed to keep up (typical :facepalm). In the south-east suburbs, the boundary is around Clayton which is now closer to the demographic centre of Melbourne and miles from any urban fringe. We now have large sways of high density suburbia such as Springvale, Dandenong, Frankston, Cranbourne still covered by the CFA.
In an attempt to adapt, the CFA incorporated into its ranks mixed stations of both career and volunteer firefighters called "integrated" stations. Out of the CFA's 1200 stations there's 34 of these integrated stations, mostly located in urban area. It's 31 of these 34 integrated stations which are affected by the EBA. As the urban areas spread, the CFA converts existing volunteer stations into these integrated stations (eg: Hoppers Crossing was converted to one in 1986). It's around this 'conversion' that the barny started as the EBA supports the need for more integrated stations, more career firefighters and hence more conversions.
So you'll find volunteers at these existing integrated stations are publicly in favour of the EBA (more career firefighters helps them do there job in urban areas), whereas the opposition is coming more from purely volunteer stations concerned with being taken over by careeries. The politics of rural volunteers having anti-union LNP supporting members and integrated/careeries/unionists having mostly urban ALP supporters, only further makes a mess of the issue. The Liberal party even set up a website "Hands off the CFA" to rake in donations for themselves while the Herald-Sun reporter on this, James Campbell, is an ex-Liberal party staffer. There's a reason the dispute has been divisive and has lasted 1000 days and counting - i.e. Politics!
Even if this EBA was rejected/blocked, the CFA will have to change to support even more integrated stations and more career firefighters if it wants to oversee urban areas. Time is everything in fighting and extinguishing fires and the response times of career firefighter manned stations are much faster than that of volunteers in higher density urban areas. It's not 1960 anymore.
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My election tip:
House of Reps:
LNP 84 (-6)
ALP 59 (+4)
Other 7 (+2)
According to the polls, it seems the swing to Labor won't be in too many marginal seats. Similar to the 1998 election.
Senate:
A different bunch of loonies, NXT and Greens on the cross bench.
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My election tip:
House of Reps:
LNP 84 (-6)
ALP 59 (+4)
Other 7 (+2)
According to the polls, it seems the swing to Labor won't be in too many marginal seats. Similar to the 1998 election.
Senate:
A different bunch of loonies, NXT and Greens on the cross bench.
That would be a massive win to the Coalition. Cant see it happening to that extent but who knows
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Once the results are, there will be one group of blind followers who think the world will end and one lot of blind followers who will think the good times will flow.
The truth, regardless of the result, is we will get more of the same - politicians treating us with contempt, lying and deflecting to suit their needs, putting more effort into toeing the party line rather than representing their constituents, playing the blame game, and spending more time slagging off the other party in an attempt to hold onto/gain power rather actually governing the country.
Oh, they will of course come together when their duopoly if threatened, and together they have no qualms about abusing the democratic process to achieve this.
It makes me sick to core hearing Turnbull pleading for voters not to vote for independents.
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If Labor wins we get Shorten as PM for 3 years.
Coalition win an we get Turnbull as PM with Abbott lurking in the background.
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Voted ALP for house of reps and greens for the senate.
I actually would rather a hung parliament than the Libs having a winning majority. Might have to learn to work with each other and represent all Australians
Let the cards fall where they may
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My election tip:
House of Reps:
LNP 84 (-6)
ALP 59 (+4)
Other 7 (+2)
According to the polls, it seems the swing to Labor won't be in too many marginal seats. Similar to the 1998 election.
Senate:
A different bunch of loonies, NXT and Greens on the cross bench.
That would be a massive win to the Coalition. Cant see it happening to that extent but who knows
I didn't expect such a strong showing in NSW by Labor. I thought they'd only pick up a couple of seats there at best.
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Current tally according to the AEC:
House of Reps:
A 3.2% swing to Labor nationally. The 2PP is 50:50.
ALP leading in 69 seats
LNP leading in 64
Bandt, Katter, Xenophon and 2 independents make up 5 on the crossbench.
That leaves 12 undecided.
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-20499.htm
Antony Green on the ABC coverage had the LNP with 72, ALP 66, 5 others and 7 too close to call.
The ABC website has LNP 67, ALP 67, 5 others and 11 seats undecided.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/results/
Senate:
Hard to work out without knowing the preferences given it's a quota system but roughly it will be something like:
LNP 28, ALP 27, Greens 9, Xenophon 3, One Nation 3, Hinch, Lambie and 4 undecided/others.
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/SenateStateResultsMenu-20499.htm
That would leave us with up to 21 on the crossbench :o including Pauline Hanson's crew :help. Good luck getting legislation through that lot.
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Anyway, cue civil war within the LNP after last night's result. Pre-polling and postals may still save the government's majority in the House of Reps as they usually favour the Libs but the LNP are now in a far far worse position in both houses. Also, a joint-sitting will be a total waste of time, meaning Turnbull called a double dissolution for nothing. Abbott supporting hardline conservatives within the party will now be after Turnbull's head. Andrew Bolt is already calling for Malcolm to go. So here's to another 3 years of infighting and instability within a Federal government ::).
ps. Constitutionally, we can't have a normal election for another 2 years after a DD election. So if everything turns to pot then the only options are a House of Reps election or another DD election.
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Who got the text? Lol What a rabble that mob is.
As for ur comments Albert you are wrong. There's a third group who actually dgaf anymore much like our football club.
Both these so called leaders are not capable to run a country effectively. No one can convince me otherwise, and if they do they are completely dilusional themselves.
I'm over in NZ and had my brother vote for me, such has been my interest in this election. A nil all draw is fitting, but what it means is not much change again. Rudd and Abbott showed rightly or wrongly things happen with a majority. These clowns will do circle work for the next 3 yrs.
Good to see Hinch grab a seat in the senate too. :thumbsup
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Shorten will stay as leader, Turnbull won't.
But who will the Libs turn to?
Morrison, Julie Bishop?
My hope is that the fixer gets the job.
:lol
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Shorten will stay as leader, Turnbull won't.
But who will the Libs turn to?
Morrison, Julie Bishop?
My hope is that the fixer gets the job.
:lol
Julie wont run for leader, she's the world's greatest Deputy Leader
If you want to know who the next lib leader will be ask Julie who she wants to be deputy to :rollin
In all seriousness this result is no surprise
Just shows folks are sick of being treated like mugs by our so called leaders ;D
Going to love the Senate, Pauline, Jacqui Lambie, and Derryn. .. wont be dull ;D
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Shorten will stay as leader, Turnbull won't.
But who will the Libs turn to?
Morrison, Julie Bishop?
My hope is that the fixer gets the job.
:lol
Julie wont run for leader, she's the world's greatest Deputy Leader
If you want to know who the next lib leader will be ask Julie who she wants to be deputy to :rollin
In all seriousness this result is no surprise
Just shows folks are sick of being treated like mugs by our so called leaders ;D
Going to love the Senate, Pauline, Jacqui Lambie, and Derryn. .. wont be dull ;D
It's the same as in other western countries like the States and England - people are sick of the politicians and the statusquo. Hence the rise of Trump :-\ , the strong popularity of Bernie Sanders, and the surprising result of the Brexit.
Here, one term governments are becoming closer to reality and PMs/leaders are dumped like yearly hard waste collection. The latter of these feeds even more discontent with the public.
I'll call it now, the whole political landscape is almost ripe for the rise of a minor party or a Trump style phenomenon. People will lap it up. All they need is access to campaign funding.
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Pauline is our Trump. Our First Lady is back by popular demand
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Shorten will stay as leader, Turnbull won't.
But who will the Libs turn to?
Morrison, Julie Bishop?
My hope is that the fixer gets the job.
:lol
Julie wont run for leader, she's the world's greatest Deputy Leader
If you want to know who the next lib leader will be ask Julie who she wants to be deputy to :rollin
In all seriousness this result is no surprise
Just shows folks are sick of being treated like mugs by our so called leaders ;D
Going to love the Senate, Pauline, Jacqui Lambie, and Derryn. .. wont be dull ;D
It's the same as in other western countries like the States and England - people are sick of the politicians and the statusquo. Hence the rise of Trump :-\ , the strong popularity of Bernie Sanders, and the surprising result of the Brexit.
Here, one term governments are becoming closer to reality and PMs/leaders are dumped like yearly hard waste collection. The latter of these feeds even more discontent with the public.
I'll call it now, the whole political landscape is almost ripe for the rise of a minor party or a Trump style phenomenon. People will lap it up. All they need is access to campaign funding.
More so, it's seem many if not te majority of bernie supporters. Will not be voting for Clinton.
Many prefer to vote trump.
For mine that shows people are over the left v right. More are wakin up te two party system is a sham
Lemon socialism
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I reckon theres a shift in the states and uk from left vs right in a predominantly economic sense to more of how we should structure our society around rights, speech and social justice.
Political correctness, Nanny State, Censoring of speech, Social Justice (more left)
VS
Freedom of speech, individual rights etc etc (more right),
This has already established itself culturally in our media and permeates into issues beyond the media here and there, but it hasnt become consciously mainstream in politics and the publics mind yet
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I reckon theres a shift in the states and uk from left vs right in a predominantly economic sense to more of how we should structure our society around rights, speech and social justice.
Political correctness, Nanny State, Censoring of speech, Social Justice (more left)
VS
Freedom of speech, individual rights etc etc (more right),
This has already established itself culturally in our media and permeates into issues beyond the media here and there, but it hasnt become consciously mainstream in politics and the publics mind yet
Dooks all of your more left "values" fall under right wing ideology as much as they do hard left.
And all of your right values (particularly individual rights) are core moderate left values.
I'm a little confused.
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I reckon theres a shift in the states and uk from left vs right in a predominantly economic sense to more of how we should structure our society around rights, speech and social justice.
Political correctness, Nanny State, Censoring of speech, Social Justice (more left)
VS
Freedom of speech, individual rights etc etc (more right),
This has already established itself culturally in our media and permeates into issues beyond the media here and there, but it hasnt become consciously mainstream in politics and the publics mind yet
Dooks all of your more left "values" fall under right wing ideology as much as they do hard left.
And all of your right values (particularly individual rights) are core moderate left values.
I'm a little confused.
Id argue the right has been more about censorship historically. But thats about it.
Individual rights - not as in equal pay, equality for all etc as in things like right of speech, criticsm of others, freedom of expression, no nanny state laws, gun ownersip in the states etc etc
Believe it or not its more the left these days thats becoming more sensitive about the things you can and cant say
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Pauline is our Trump. Our First Lady is back by popular demand
Please explain!
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I reckon theres a shift in the states and uk from left vs right in a predominantly economic sense to more of how we should structure our society around rights, speech and social justice.
Political correctness, Nanny State, Censoring of speech, Social Justice (more left)
VS
Freedom of speech, individual rights etc etc (more right),
This has already established itself culturally in our media and permeates into issues beyond the media here and there, but it hasnt become consciously mainstream in politics and the publics mind yet
Dooks all of your more left "values" fall under right wing ideology as much as they do hard left.
And all of your right values (particularly individual rights) are core moderate left values.
I'm a little confused.
Id argue the right has been more about censorship historically. But thats about it.
Individual rights - not as in equal pay, equality for all etc as in things like right of speech, criticsm of others, freedom of expression, no nanny state laws, gun ownersip in the states etc etc
Believe it or not its more the left these days thats becoming more sensitive about the things you can and cant say
I agree with this but I'm confused too Dooks, are you complaining about it because you don't like it?
If so, why would you vote that way?
Voted ALP for house of reps and greens for the senate.
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lol at Pauline pants down being the political saviour.
The clear message is that people are slowly but surely getting fed up with the endless crap from the two main politacl parties.
How will they respond?
Listen and learn?
I doubt it, they will be more likely to band together and devise ways to protect their hold on power from smaller parties and independents.
God forbid we head down the path of consensus government where those in power have to come up with legislation that is agreed with by a majority of elected reps rather than just a bunch of arse lickers toeing the party line.
Consensus gevernment is the way to go, but sadly political parties are too entrenched and will not relinquish their power.
Maybe we need a revolution.
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http://bawerk.net/2016/06/18/you-are-currently-living-through-the-dumbest-monetary-experimental-end-game-in-history-including-havenstein-and-gonos/
"Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_socialism
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I reckon theres a shift in the states and uk from left vs right in a predominantly economic sense to more of how we should structure our society around rights, speech and social justice.
Political correctness, Nanny State, Censoring of speech, Social Justice (more left)
VS
Freedom of speech, individual rights etc etc (more right),
This has already established itself culturally in our media and permeates into issues beyond the media here and there, but it hasnt become consciously mainstream in politics and the publics mind yet
Dooks all of your more left "values" fall under right wing ideology as much as they do hard left.
And all of your right values (particularly individual rights) are core moderate left values.
I'm a little confused.
Id argue the right has been more about censorship historically. But thats about it.
Individual rights - not as in equal pay, equality for all etc as in things like right of speech, criticsm of others, freedom of expression, no nanny state laws, gun ownersip in the states etc etc
Believe it or not its more the left these days thats becoming more sensitive about the things you can and cant say
I agree with this but I'm confused too Dooks, are you complaining about it because you don't like it?
If so, why would you vote that way?
Voted ALP for house of reps and greens for the senate.
More of an observation which i find interesting. I think at the moment this hasnt quite substantially translated into politics and broader society. Moreso the media. But if we go the way of the states and the UK i think it will.
I voted ALP because given half a chance i think that the Libs would have a proper crack at penalty rates, gst and possibly medicare. That was most important to me at the moment.
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Where's all the Abbot lovers :cheers
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Another meaningful post.
FFS this bloke was moved on a year ago and so should you Andrew Bolt
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
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I'm not sure there is any Labor "supporters" here. I think most have woken up that both major parties are a blight. Even young Dan seems to have opened his eyes.
I take you are still one those who blindly follow one party, seeing only bad in the other and good in the one u support?
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
WTF?
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I'm not sure there is any Labor "supporters" here. I think most have woken up that both major parties are a blight. Even young Dan seems to have opened his eyes.
I take you are still one those who blindly follow one party, seeing only bad in the other and good in the one u support?
No
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
WTF?
Medicare
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
WTF?
Medicare
So? They all lie. Whats your point?
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
WTF?
Medicare
So? They all lie. Whats your point?
I made my point already. The silence on this forum was deafening.
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
WTF?
Medicare
So? They all lie. Whats your point?
I made my point already. The silence on this forum was deafening.
You wouldnt be as paranoid if you werent such a liberal lapdog.
Thats the way it reads anyway.
As Penelope said, people are waking up and at least on this forum there is common ground being reached.
Time for measured rational discussion.
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The swing is against Liberal for all the right reasons.
Going to carry on about Labor lying? Pot calling the kettle black +++++++
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
Tell me it wasn't part of the Libs agenda.
The heat went on and they back peddled as quick as they could. Just like state income taxes and a 15% GST.
And thats not to mention all the lies the Libs have told in the past. $100 roasts etc.
All of which had no foundation in truth at all.
FFS give a break.
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I'm not sure why it's so hard to comprehend.
I was commenting about the silence on this forum on that particular issue only, not a word was mentioned. As much as I find that mindboggling I wasn't surprised.
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
WTF?
Medicare
So? They all lie. Whats your point?
I made my point already. The silence on this forum was deafening.
You wouldnt be as paranoid if you werent such a liberal lapdog.
Thats the way it reads anyway.
As Penelope said, people are waking up and at least on this forum there is common ground being reached.
Time for measured rational discussion.
BTW I used to be a labor lapdog because my dad brainwashed me and said I should vote labor, that was until I read the labor constitution. :rollin
Now I look carefully at all the candidates in my electorate, I find out where there from and some history about them etc. and I then take a considered & balanced approach when voting.
I only have a couple of no vote clauses;
-I won't vote for anyone that's not from the area, that's on both sides of politics (although so far that's only been labor candidates in my electorate)
-I won't vote greens.
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I think the commentators and the Libs are overestimating the postal votes.
This was the first time in my memory that we have had an election in school holidays. Lots of the postal votes will be from teachers and parents of school age kids not just the rich and retired who normally don't go away during the school holidays.
Could be a whole lot closer.
I am predicting a hung parliament and another election either straight away or before Christmas.
:cheers
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
WTF?
Medicare
So? They all lie. Whats your point?
I made my point already. The silence on this forum was deafening.
You wouldnt be as paranoid if you werent such a liberal lapdog.
Thats the way it reads anyway.
As Penelope said, people are waking up and at least on this forum there is common ground being reached.
Time for measured rational discussion.
BTW I used to be a labor lapdog because my dad brainwashed me and said I should vote labor, that was until I read the labor constitution. :rollin
Now I look carefully at all the candidates in my electorate, I find out where there from and some history about them etc. and I then take a considered & balanced approach when voting.
I only have a couple of no vote clauses;
-I won't vote for anyone that's not from the area, that's on both sides of politics (although so far that's only been labor candidates in my electorate)
-I won't vote greens.
yep. Biggest bunch of idiots in politics that mob
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Can you explain why?
Cause the reckon we should stop killing random brown women / children and the planet?
Nut cases indeed
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I'm not sure why it's so hard to comprehend.
I was commenting about the silence on this forum on that particular issue only, not a word was mentioned. As much as I find that mindboggling I wasn't surprised.
Imagine if t was Abbott who orchestrated this or anyone from the LNP, MT and a few others on here would be up in arms and we wouldn't hear the end of their rambling.
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More lies from the Lib campaign.
And all they can talk about now is Labor's Medicare lie.
Read the excerpt from this article.
Talk about scare campaigns.
I hope the Libs form government.
Nothing will get through the senate that Turnbull's dumb double dissolution caused.
Election results: Scott Morrison and Julie Bishop undermine Malcolm Turnbull's mea culpa
Recall Morrison using the word "war" some 14 times on the day the remains of 33 Australian soldiers were brought home from Vietnam, to describe how Labor would use "tax as their bullets" and take a "sledgehammer" to jobs and growth at the start of the campaign.
When Turnbull was reminded that he had previously cautioned against the use of "violent metaphors", he endorsed Morrison's language without reservation.
"Let me say this to you: Bill Shorten has declared war on business. He's declared war on the family businesses of Australia... and the first casualties are jobs."
Recall Peter Dutton's warning that "Illiterate and innumerate" refugees would take Australian jobs and/or "languish" on the dole and use free health services provided by Medicare. Or his pre-campaign declaration that "the economy will come to a shuddering halt and I think the stock market will crash" under Labor's proposed changes to negative gearing.
Or the claim by Morrison and Turnbull that the changes would "smash" house prices.
Recall Turnbull's assertion that Labor's plan to give permanent protection to refugees who have been in the community for more than three years would "send an absolutely unequivocal signal to the people smugglers that under a Labor government anyone who manages to get to Australia on a boat will be able to stay here permanently".
This, despite the fact that under the policies of Labor and the Coalition, anyone who manages to get to Australia on a boat will be banished to Nauru and never offered an Australian visa, temporary or otherwise.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016-opinion/election-results-scott-morrison-and-julie-bishop-undermine-malcolm-turnbulls-mea-culpa-20160706-gpzivp.html#ixzz4DaibYlf5
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They all lie, but labor went too far. Masquerading as a gvt agency is a crime.
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They all lie, but labor went too far. Masquerading as a gvt agency is a crime.
The Libs have been masquerading as a government over the last few years. Whats worse?
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They all lie, but labor went too far. Masquerading as a gvt agency is a crime.
Good line but entirely incorrect.
"Medicare" was on the subject line not the from line.
The Libs are just annoyed they allowed Turnbull to take the high road and not get down and dirty.
:cheers
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politics :rollin
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Can you explain why?
Cause the reckon we should stop killing random brown women / children and the planet?
Nut cases indeed
Yes, open borders and population increase will no doubt work wonders for the environment....
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They all lie, but labor went too far. Masquerading as a gvt agency is a crime.
The Libs have been masquerading as a government over the last few years. Whats worse?
probably labor - but thats not saying much
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They all lie, but labor went too far. Masquerading as a gvt agency is a crime.
The Libs have been masquerading as a government over the last few years. Whats worse?
probably labor - but thats not saying much
:yep
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Can you explain why?
Cause the reckon we should stop killing random brown women / children and the planet?
Nut cases indeed
Yes, open borders and population increase will no doubt work wonders for the environment....
Is that the best the hivemind has come up with?
Is there anythig else too many trees perhaps
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Can you explain why?
Cause the reckon we should stop killing random brown women / children and the planet?
Nut cases indeed
Yes, open borders and population increase will no doubt work wonders for the environment....
Is that the best the hivemind has come up with?
Is there anythig else too many trees perhaps
Trees wreck the soil. Wind farms are ugly. The top 0.1% need more money.
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And the BIGGEST lie of all. (Even bigger than children overboard)
From the Chilcott report into the IRAQ war
Early in his address, Sir John set the tone of the findings.
We have concluded that the UK chose to join the invasion of Iraq before the peaceful options for disarmament had been exhausted.
Military action at that time was not a last resort.
The judgements about the severity of the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, WMD, were presented with a certainty that was not justified.
Despite explicit warnings, the consequences of the invasion were underestimated. The planning and preparations for Iraq after Saddam Hussein were wholly inadequate.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-07/chilcot-report-on-iraq-war-delivers-damning-findings/7575604
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Dunno why it needed a report to tell us what was bloody obvious once there were no wmd found
Like WHOA earth shattering news
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Can you explain why?
Cause the reckon we should stop killing random brown women / children and the planet?
Nut cases indeed
Yes, open borders and population increase will no doubt work wonders for the environment....
Is that the best the hivemind has come up with?
Is there anythig else too many trees perhaps
Trees wreck the soil. Wind farms are ugly. The top 0.1% need more money.
Just pointing out the fundamental flaw and policy contradiction of a party whose main platform is supposed to be care for the environment.
The Watermelon Greens don't even understand nature, lest real conservation and don't really give a stuff about it. They're not much better than the neo-cons.
Oh and nobody loves the population ponzi scheme that is immigration more than the top 0.01%.... :shh
Best place for wind turbines is off-shore, as they are in Scandinavia.
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Dunno why it needed a report to tell us what was bloody obvious once there were no wmd found
Like WHOA earth shattering news
Why was my Iraq body count post deleted ?
Surely it's directly related to the above post :huh
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Dunno why it needed a report to tell us what was bloody obvious once there were no wmd found
Like WHOA earth shattering news
Why was my Iraq body count post deleted ?
Surely it's directly related to the above post :huh
Not sure I didn't do it, but I would guess it was inappropriate
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Dunno why it needed a report to tell us what was bloody obvious once there were no wmd found
Like WHOA earth shattering news
Why was my Iraq body count post deleted ?
Surely it's directly related to the above post :huh
Thats poor if its been deletec
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
Tell me it wasn't part of the Libs agenda.
The heat went on and they back peddled as quick as they could. Just like state income taxes and a 15% GST.
And thats not to mention all the lies the Libs have told in the past. $100 roasts etc.
All of which had no foundation in truth at all.
FFS give a break.
Bit of anger in your posts. A decision must be looming :shh
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
Tell me it wasn't part of the Libs agenda.
The heat went on and they back peddled as quick as they could. Just like state income taxes and a 15% GST.
And thats not to mention all the lies the Libs have told in the past. $100 roasts etc.
All of which had no foundation in truth at all.
FFS give a break.
Bit of anger in your posts. A decision must be looming :shh
A good election to lose.
Economy stuffed and the Senate is stuffed.
Nats want more power and Bernadi is setting up his own party. Not to mention Tony Rabbit lurking in the dark.
Not angry at all, looking foward to the chaos.
It's just like being a Richmond supporter.
:lol
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Yeah typical response that I expected from you.
You would prefer chaos than some stability from either side of politics.
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Yeah typical response that I expected from you.
You would prefer chaos than some stability from either side of politics.
Well sorry but that's politics ATM.
Just look at Great Britain or USA.
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Christopher Pyne summed up perfectly the problem with modern politics, when he describes the libs as an "election winning machine"
you could probably call labor an election loosing machine if u want, but the bottom line is the major parties are more interested in the power game than actually governing the country.
Even now we have Liberals slagging off about how labour has their second lowest primary vote ever, yet when questioned about the large swing away from them, admit they have to have a look at their comapign. Labor similaily talk about their campaign.
The stuffing idiots just dont get it. Turnball has created a bigger mess for himself and all he can do is look at his election campaign.
Some idiot from Labour has describes the senate as Star Wars bar full of idiots ( cant recall the eact type of idiots he mentioned.
stuff these idiots!
They are incapable of negotiating and meeting on common ground
and 65 is right, just as when Gillard had to govern without a clear majority and make deals left right and center, this may very well turn out to be a poisoned challis.
hopefully those non LNP reps elected to represent their constituents dont have the same attitude hockey had when he was in opposition, that his job was not to actually do anything worthwhile, just to block and make thing difficult for the governemnt., but i doubt it.
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should have stuck with abbott i feel. A man with vision :dancing :dancing
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should have stuck with abbott i feel. A man with vision :dancing :dancing
Yep you're right
We would had a clear majority govt.....a Labor Govt..... :rollin
:jump
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Yeah typical response that I expected from you.
You would prefer chaos than some stability from either side of politics.
Well sorry but that's politics ATM.
Just look at Great Britain or USA.
Sometimes a little chaos and hard times can benefit society in the long run.
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should have stuck with abbott i feel. A man with vision :dancing :dancing
Yep you're right
We would had a clear majority govt.....a Labor Govt..... :rollin
:jump
probably but they didnt and snorton who i think would have been just as bad can soon start to do his victory laps at the blue oyster bar.
Dodged a bullett there. If it was albo though a good italian fella things might have been different.
Turnbull has started poorly but still given his opposition should bounce back.
Snorton and his union mates will have to wait 3 years, if he lasts that long. :lol :lol
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:fishing methinks
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If it was albo though a good italian fella things might have been different.
Yes, if there's one thing the Italians are known for, it's stable government....
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Yeah typical response that I expected from you.
You would prefer chaos than some stability from either side of politics.
Well sorry but that's politics ATM.
Just look at Great Britain or USA.
Sometimes a little chaos and hard times can benefit society in the long run.
Like ww2 and that yeah?
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If it was albo though a good italian fella things might have been different.
Yes, if there's one thing the Italians are known for, it's stable government....
albo will steady the ship like berlusconi did
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Yeah typical response that I expected from you.
You would prefer chaos than some stability from either side of politics.
Well sorry but that's politics ATM.
Just look at Great Britain or USA.
Sometimes a little chaos and hard times can benefit society in the long run.
Like ww2 and that yeah?
The operative word was "little".
:cheers
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Looks like the LNP will end up with between 75-77 seats.
The support of two independents pretty much now guarantees Turnbull his prime ministership in the short-term. He better hope there's no Craig Thompson or Geoff Shaw in his ranks or that Bernardi & co. don't split away to create a hardline conservative party.
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Looks like the LNP will end up with between 75-77 seats.
The support of two independents pretty much now guarantees Turnbull his prime ministership in the short-term. He better hope there's no Craig Thompson or Geoff Shaw in his ranks or that Bernardi & co. don't split away to create a hardline conservative party.
House of Reps shouldn't be a problem.
The Senate is a whole other bucketload of crazies.
:lol
and Turnbull has nobody to blame except himself.
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Well Bill's called Malcolm and conceded, so Mal remains PM
Questiom remains will it be a majority or minority govt, without control of the Senate
Either way it's a poor result for the coalition. Huge majority lost
Wonder how long before we go back to the polls again :rollin
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Well Bill's called Malcolm and conceded, so Mal remains PM
Questiom remains will it be a majority or minority govt, without control of the Senate
Either way it's a poor result for the coalition. Huge majority lost
Wonder how long before we go back to the polls again :rollin
Depends on how they determine which senators get 3 years and which get 6 years.
:cheers
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Dodged a bullet with back stabbing Bill missing out
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Dodged a bullet with back stabbing Bill missing out
:lol
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goodbye willy shorton dont forget to shut the door on your way out champ.
see you in 3 years pal, if ever at all.
Don't have much confidence in turnbull either and his policies but no billy is at least one good thing.
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Well Bill's called Malcolm and conceded, so Mal remains PM
Questiom remains will it be a majority or minority govt, without control of the Senate
Either way it's a poor result for the coalition. Huge majority lost
Wonder how long before we go back to the polls again :rollin
lol back to the polls. is that because willy said so when he was doing his "victory" lap. :lol :lol
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Well Bill's called Malcolm and conceded, so Mal remains PM
Questiom remains will it be a majority or minority govt, without control of the Senate
Either way it's a poor result for the coalition. Huge majority lost
Wonder how long before we go back to the polls again :rollin
I understand you are just fishing for a response but...
Turnbull is going to need a lot of luck getting anything through the Senate.
Another election may be an option in 2 years, depending on how they allocate 3 or 6 Yr terms to the senate.
And may be an option if his right wing back benchers play up and he wants to establish a mandate.
:thumbsup
lol back to the polls. is that because willy said so when he was doing his "victory" lap. :lol :lol
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Well Bill's called Malcolm and conceded, so Mal remains PM
Questiom remains will it be a majority or minority govt, without control of the Senate
Either way it's a poor result for the coalition. Huge majority lost
Wonder how long before we go back to the polls again :rollin
lol back to the polls. is that because willy said so when he was doing his "victory" lap. :lol :lol
See 1965's reply.
Going to very hard for stuff to get passed in the senate, govt doesn't have a majority. It that too difficult for you to comprehend? You know all the stuff they couldnt get passed before, hence why we had this double dissolution election. They intend to try and get it all through again and most likely wont so....
... once the 2 year moratorium is up expect Mal to call another election.
It really isn't it that difficult to understand
Shouldn't let your blind hatred of certain pollies cloud your understanding of how our parliament works
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A new phrase is born: I just knew someone would find a name for Aussie election process.
ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION: The inability to become aroused over any of the choices for prime minister put forth by any party
:lol
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Wonder how long before we go back to the polls again :rollin
"But the combination of a PM with no authority, a government with no direction and a Liberal Party at war with itself will see Australians back at the polls within the year," he said.
back we go again aye
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Last seat goes to Labor by 8 votes.
Recount to happen.
:cheers
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Last seat goes to Labor by 8 votes.
Recount to happen.
:cheers
That gives the LNP 76 seats and only one crossing the floor or by-election away from losing their majority. Good luck getting through the next 3 years, Malcolm.
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wasserman schultz u dirty little skank
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AUSTRALIA has officially gone two years without people smugglers successfully bringing an illegal boat into the country.
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Immigration Minister Peter Dutton will this morning acknowledge the milestone at a border protection facility in Queensland.
The government’s uncompromising turnback policy has led to 28 boats being turned around, with 700 people on board, since Operation Sovereign Borders was implemented when the Coalition came to power in 2013.
Seventeen detention facilities have now been closed, all children moved from detention and nobody has died at sea during the operation.
It is stark contrast to the 50,000 people who arrived illegally on more than 800 boats during six years of Labor. More than 1200 people died at sea during the period while about 30,000 people from the legacy caseload are still being processed.
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:sleep
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LMAO at the Senate result.
The Libs are stuffed.
Malcolm Turnbull into the unknown as Pauline Hanson wins four Senate seats
Mark Kenny
Malcolm Turnbull will be forced to negotiate with either the left-wing Greens - reviled by conservatives - or Pauline Hanson's resurgent right-wing One Nation party, to pass any legislation after the last Senate results revealed his government's position in the Senate has been severely weakened.
In a stark demonstration of how sharply his double dissolution strategy backfired, the final picture of the 45th Parliament shows a Prime Minister pared back to a one-seat majority in the House of Representatives, and down another three senators upstairs where the crossbench has swelled by the same number.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-into-the-unknown-as-pauline-hanson-wins-four-senate-seats-20160804-gqld2s.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-into-the-unknown-as-pauline-hanson-wins-four-senate-seats-20160804-gqld2s.html)
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Final make-up of both houses:
(http://www.smh.com.au/cqstatic/12z7v7/0408government_729.png)
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/parliaments-leftright-divide-a-trap-for-malcolm-turnbull-20160804-gql9bn.html
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LMAO at the Senate result.
The Libs are stuffed.
Malcolm Turnbull into the unknown as Pauline Hanson wins four Senate seats
Mark Kenny
Malcolm Turnbull will be forced to negotiate with either the left-wing Greens - reviled by conservatives - or Pauline Hanson's resurgent right-wing One Nation party, to pass any legislation after the last Senate results revealed his government's position in the Senate has been severely weakened.
In a stark demonstration of how sharply his double dissolution strategy backfired, the final picture of the 45th Parliament shows a Prime Minister pared back to a one-seat majority in the House of Representatives, and down another three senators upstairs where the crossbench has swelled by the same number.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-into-the-unknown-as-pauline-hanson-wins-four-senate-seats-20160804-gqld2s.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-into-the-unknown-as-pauline-hanson-wins-four-senate-seats-20160804-gqld2s.html)
We're all stuffed if policy is dictated by far-right conspiracy theory nutjobs like Malcolm Roberts in the Senate :help.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-nation-senatorelect-malcolm-roberts-wrote-bizarre-sovereign-citizen-letter-to-julia-gillard-20160804-gqlesa.html
and
Mr Roberts said climate change science had been captured by "some of the major banking families in the world" who form a "tight-knit cabal".
http://www.smh.com.au/world/climate-change-sceptics-unwarmed-by-scientists-reassessment-of-cold-facts-20120730-23agk.html
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You have to laugh at this buffoon.
:lol
Malcolm Turnbull defends handling of census as Privacy Commissioner investigates
Michael Koziol
The Turnbull government has defended its handling of the bungled census, congratulating the Australian Bureau of Statistics on taking a "cautious" approach to protecting Australians' data.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defends-handling-of-census-as-privacy-commissioner-investigates-20160810-gqp45u.html
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This CENSUS debacle just keeps getting better. But it will be OK, the Fixer is on the job.
Christopher Pyne says census attack came from Australia
Michael Koziol
Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne has contradicted previous government suggestions the census was attacked from overseas, stating the interference came from "elements here in Australia".
But the Prime Minister's office has poured water over that account, telling Fairfax Media the investigation was ongoing and the source of the trouble was not yet known.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/christopher-pyne-says-census-attack-came-from-australia-20160811-gqqttm.html
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:lol
of course the "attack" came from australia. was probably most of the east coast trying to log on at the same time.
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You have to laugh at this buffoon.
:lol
Malcolm Turnbull defends handling of census as Privacy Commissioner investigates
Michael Koziol
The Turnbull government has defended its handling of the bungled census, congratulating the Australian Bureau of Statistics on taking a "cautious" approach to protecting Australians' data.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defends-handling-of-census-as-privacy-commissioner-investigates-20160810-gqp45u.html
Turnbull's new nickname is "Malware" :laugh:.
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Honestly, this rich stuffing toff has NFI.
'It was a human reaction': Malcolm Turnbull defends giving money to a beggar
Matthew Knott
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has defended giving $5 to a beggar in Melbourne, putting him at odds with the city's lord mayor who says giving money to people on the street entrenches homelessness.
Mr Turnbull was photographed on Wednesday putting a $5 note in the cup of a homeless man as he was arriving to give a major speech to the Committee for Economic Development of Australia.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/it-was-a-human-reaction-malcolm-turnbull-defends-giving-money-to-a-beggar-20160819-gqwbvf.html
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Honestly, this rich stuffing toff has NFI.
'It was a human reaction': Malcolm Turnbull defends giving money to a beggar
Matthew Knott
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has defended giving $5 to a beggar in Melbourne, putting him at odds with the city's lord mayor who says giving money to people on the street entrenches homelessness.
Mr Turnbull was photographed on Wednesday putting a $5 note in the cup of a homeless man as he was arriving to give a major speech to the Committee for Economic Development of Australia.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/it-was-a-human-reaction-malcolm-turnbull-defends-giving-money-to-a-beggar-20160819-gqwbvf.html
You would have criticised him if he walked past
He can't win
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Honestly, this rich stuffing toff has NFI.
'It was a human reaction': Malcolm Turnbull defends giving money to a beggar
Matthew Knott
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has defended giving $5 to a beggar in Melbourne, putting him at odds with the city's lord mayor who says giving money to people on the street entrenches homelessness.
Mr Turnbull was photographed on Wednesday putting a $5 note in the cup of a homeless man as he was arriving to give a major speech to the Committee for Economic Development of Australia.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/it-was-a-human-reaction-malcolm-turnbull-defends-giving-money-to-a-beggar-20160819-gqwbvf.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/it-was-a-human-reaction-malcolm-turnbull-defends-giving-money-to-a-beggar-20160819-gqwbvf.html)
You would have criticised him if he walked past
He can't win
Wrong and hopefully you know it.
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"Can you please just hurry up and die"
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"Can you please just hurry up and die"
Who?
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Grigg would be my guess
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Yeah grigg
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"Can you please just hurry up and die"
Who?
I'm shocked giving very poor people money "entrenches homelessness"
What a load of trickle down codwash
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"Can you please just hurry up and die"
Who?
I'm shocked giving very poor people money "entrenches homelessness"
What a load of trickle down codwash
Are you really that stupid?
Most homeless spend the cash on alcohol or drugs.
Give the money to a shelter that feeds and provides a bed for the night to the homeless.
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Yeah it's the homeless keeping the drug dealers in jobs
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Yeah it's the homeless keeping the drug dealers in jobs
Not what I said and you know it.
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Are you really that stupid?
Most homeless spend the cash on alcohol or drugs.
Do you think they spend some money on food or accommodation?
Or is it all Colombian grade a gear?
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Are you really that stupid?
Most homeless spend the cash on alcohol or drugs.
Do you think they spend some money on food or accommodation?
Or is it all Colombian grade a gear?
Yes some money on food or accommodation.
What's you point?
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I might even consider voting Green again.
:lol
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/im-disappointed-greens-leader-richard-di-natale-strips-sarah-hansonyoung-of-immigration-role-20160825-gr161x.html
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A picture is worth...
(http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/r/1/s/m/v/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gr0zll.png/1472203764162.jpg)
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and guess who is smiling?
(http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/q/z/w/8/b/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gr0zll.png/1472203764162.jpg)
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Now remind me, who won the election?
:lol
A good election to lose methinks.
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Whatever
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Parliament starts this week.
Should be lots of fun.
I'll give Abbott six months before he challenges.
:lol
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Parliamentary sittings are 65's footy season.....
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Parliamentary sittings are 65's footy season.....
Well in this case, my off-season at least.
A good election to lose.
Turnbull is well and truly stuffed and Parliament is yet to sit.
Expect more posts.
:cheers
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Expect no-one to give a stuff....
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Expect no-one to give a stuff....
:lol
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Christopher Pyne's night of chaos failed Malcolm Turnbull and he has to go
Peter Hartcher
The successful Labor ambush of the Turnbull government in the House of Representatives on Thursday afternoon will not, in itself, bring down the government, but it's highly instructive.
The lessons learned?
The Turnbull government was embarrassed by three lost votes in the House of Representatives on Thursday.
One, that the election campaign has not ended. Bill Shorten considers that the contest for power has merely moved into a new phase, fought on the floor of the House instead of on the hustings.
Shorten does not accept that Turnbull has won a mandate. He considers that his policy to hold a banking royal commission is every bit as valid as Turnbull's position not to. In Shorten's view, the election did not settle anything.
Two, that Shorten intends to wage a campaign of political guerrilla war against the Turnbull government. He will not allow the government a moment of peace but will harry and harass it, probing every vulnerability.
Three, that the government is not up to the contest. Christopher Pyne, as manager of government business, is responsible for losing control of the House. He should be replaced. The government was guilty of complacency. It won its first vote on the floor of the House by 75 to 73, when Labor first tried to pass its bank royal commission proposal.
Relaxing vigilance as members looked forward to their escape to the airport for the end of the sitting week, they allowed Labor an opportunity.
Pyne has long experience and knew the stakes yet failed.
Four, aggressive Labor tactics can embarrass the government and rattle its nerves, as they have on this occasion. But they cannot bring down the government unless the Coalition is guilty of internal division or indiscipline.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/peter-hartcher-christopher-pynes-night-of-chaos-failed-malcolm-turnbull-and-he-has-to-go-20160901-gr6suc.html
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Five.
Shorten is a flog of the highest order and worse than Turnbull.
LOL that these two clowns are the two men put forward as the potential leaders of this country.
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Five.
Shorten is a flog of the highest order and worse than Turnbull.
LOL that these two clowns are the two men put forward as the potential leaders of this country.
Well at least Shorten has control of his party.
Turnbull couldn't organize an orgy in a knock shop.
:cheers
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Just when the Libs are having a good week (silly Sam D etc), Tony Rabbit goes into destabilisation mode.
:lol
Tony Abbott criticises Malcolm Turnbull 'panic' in calling NT abuse royal commission
Fergus Hunter
Former prime minister Tony Abbott has accused the ABC of bias over its July coverage of abuse in the Northern Territory juvenile detention system and suggested that his successor Malcolm Turnbull responded "in panic" at the TV program.
Mr Turnbull announced there would be a royal commission the morning after the Four Corners broadcast, which depicted shocking scenes in the Don Dale Youth Detention Centre, and the government formally established the inquiry the next week.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-criticises-malcolm-turnbull-panic-in-calling-nt-abuse-royal-commission-20160908-grcd0s.html
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
Quote of the times
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
Quote of the times
(http://www.echo.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/terror-copy.jpg)
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how's the GDP at the minute?
Jobs and Growth :thumbsup
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' War on tractors '
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how's the GDP at the minute?
Jobs and Growth :thumbsup
Increase Government spending and "growth" increases.
Economics 101.
:cheers
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how's the GDP at the minute?
Jobs and Growth :thumbsup
Increase Government spending and "growth" increases.
Economics 101.
:cheers
Up there with marketing and hairdressing 101
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
Quote of the times
(http://www.echo.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/terror-copy.jpg)
the threat of Islam isn't in the current statistics. It is in the proven historical danger of an un reformed ideology that has imperial intentions - even in it's so called moderate state.
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
Quote of the times
(http://www.echo.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/terror-copy.jpg)
the threat of Islam isn't in the current statistics. It is in the proven historical danger of an un reformed ideology that has imperial intentions - even in it's so called moderate state.
statistics
stəˈtɪstɪks/
noun
the practice or science of collecting and analysing numerical data in large quantities, especially for the purpose of inferring proportions in a whole from those in a representative sample.
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how's the GDP at the minute?
Jobs and Growth :thumbsup
Increase Government spending and "growth" increases.
Economics 101.
:cheers
super budget measure should pass through. Masterstroke. The maestro has listened to the people.
Onwards and upwards for this juggernaut that is the liberal party. :dancing :dancing
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
Quote of the times
(http://www.echo.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/terror-copy.jpg)
the threat of Islam isn't in the current statistics. It is in the proven historical danger of an un reformed ideology that has imperial intentions - even in it's so called moderate state.
You can be alert but not alarmed but the facts are tractors, falling off chairs and police (if you are black) are far more likely to kill you. The rest is all just bollocks in your head
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
Quote of the times
(http://www.echo.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/terror-copy.jpg)
the threat of Islam isn't in the current statistics. It is in the proven historical danger of an un reformed ideology that has imperial intentions - even in it's so called moderate state.
You can be alert but not alarmed but the facts are tractors, falling off chairs and police (if you are black) are far more likely to kill you. The rest is all just bollocks in your head
Do some serious historical and demographic research in order to maturate your juvenile perspective FFS.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=Knob-rB35AI
Classic
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
Quote of the times
(http://www.echo.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/terror-copy.jpg)
the threat of Islam isn't in the current statistics. It is in the proven historical danger of an un reformed ideology that has imperial intentions - even in it's so called moderate state.
You can be alert but not alarmed but the facts are tractors, falling off chairs and police (if you are black) are far more likely to kill you. The rest is all just bollocks in your head
Do some serious historical and demographic research in order to maturate your juvenile perspective FFS.
So I've attempted that and all I can find is the non muslim initiated Vietnam war / general destruction of the earth, world wars, holocsust and co.
All Zionist/christian consumer capitalism.
I'm afraid you will need to be more specific with your rubbish theories
Don't forget to Cheak for the red under your bed before you sleep with the lights on. Might be a good idea to go to te doctor and make sure your shingles free also
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Middle of today's Hun:
"Our safety trumps civil liberties"
Quote of the times
(http://www.echo.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/terror-copy.jpg)
the threat of Islam isn't in the current statistics. It is in the proven historical danger of an un reformed ideology that has imperial intentions - even in it's so called moderate state.
You can be alert but not alarmed but the facts are tractors, falling off chairs and police (if you are black) are far more likely to kill you. The rest is all just bollocks in your head
Do some serious historical and demographic research in order to maturate your juvenile perspective FFS.
So I've attempted that and all I can find is the non muslim initiated Vietnam war / general destruction of the earth, world wars, holocsust and co.
All Zionist/christian consumer capitalism.
I'm afraid you will need to be more specific with your rubbish theories
Don't forget to Cheak for the red under your bed before you sleep with the lights on. Might be a good idea to go to te doctor and make sure your shingles free also
sjw sock puppet.....I could educate, ignore or ridicule you. Options 2&3 look good.
Late edit: i'll give you an ounce of educational direction. Look into the original Hijrah allegedly made by Muhammed from Medina to Mecca in 622ce. Consider his 'hadiths' from the period and knowing their verbatim adherence by modern day followers try to understand their ramifications for the western tradition. You could also read Runcimans "history of the Crusades" to witness the result of inaction in the face of an emerging Islamic Caliphate. Or you could remain childishly ignorant and accept your ultimate fate like a surprised gazelle on a Serengeti plain. End of transmission.
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Yeah yeah my ultimate fate is to be killed by Muslims
I don't buy it. I may well be childish and ignorant, but not cause I don't live in fear Of my own shadow ya big girls blouse ;)
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how's the GDP at the minute?
Jobs and Growth :thumbsup
Increase Government spending and "growth" increases.
Economics 101.
:cheers
What semester is private, too big to fail companies 'bailed out' by the citizen taxpayer under this consumer capitalist paradigm?
It's bollocks
"Rather than banks receiving deposits when households save and then lending them out, bank lending creates deposits" … "In normal times, the central bank does not fix the amount of money in circulation, nor is central bank money 'multiplied up' into more loans and deposits."
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q102.pdf
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Yeah yeah my ultimate fate is to be killed by Muslims
I don't buy it. I may well be childish and ignorant, but not cause I don't live in fear Of my own shadow ya big girls blouse ;)
Not scared ........ but very, very prepared. The fact is that when the SHTF, people like you will run to equipped individuals like my sons and I and expect us to protect you.....and it won't happen. Or, maybe you will welcome the eunuch procedure (you sound like you might), unlike the countless Millions who suffered that fate for 1400 years. This only ceased after the intervention of western armies. BTW I have good 'moderate' Muslim friends who have said that they would kill to protect the 'Prophets' name..... kill for an idea! Try parading around Coburg with a portrayal of Muhammed and see how far you get. I know, paint a 'girls blouse' on him....or better still wear one.
They (Muslim friends) respect my family due to our strength (Lebanese love machismo) but realise our cultural differences could become explosive in the future. I can have any historical/philosophical debate with them but Muhammed is off-limits.
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Lol
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The 'witch fry' is live on TV 11am Tuesday for those who are interested.
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Deutsche Bank tick tock
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Abbott on the way back
:lol
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dare-to-dream-tony-abbott-tells-uk-tories-he-believes-he-can-be-pm-again-20161004-grutrv.html
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Why does anybody still vote for either of the major parties?
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-government-called-on-to-explain-where-australias-offshore-gas-wealth-is-going-20161009-gryaoi.html
Responsible economic management...... :clapping
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what a stuffing joke
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Cops now texting people that bash women
Saying pls come to station to be arrested.
Not working as people change phone
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The Senate is now up in the air given Bob Day may have been invalidly elected to it.
The federal government could have major problems getting its legislation passed in the Senate amid revelations Family First senator Bob Day may have been invalidly elected.
The High Court may be asked to consider whether Mr Day's election to the upper house was a breach of the constitution, potentially forcing a recount of the South Australian Senate vote.
The result of a recount is anyone's guess, and a High Court decision is expected to take weeks.
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/cloud-over-bob-days-senate-spot/news-story/c244a464dba637235d1db9f79c79eb46
Normally, Senate vacancies are filled by the relative state parliament eith a like for like party replacement found. However, in this case, the High Court may ask for a recount of the last election's votes giving the next in line candidate the Senate seat. Apparently, it was a Labor candidate that was next in line which would totally stuff up Turnbull's ability to pass non-bipartisan supported policy.
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Seven days till the revolution.....and I'm not talking Trump here necessarily. I see it as a continuation of the recoil against globalism worldwide and the emergence of a polarity shifting paradigm.
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Seven days till the revolution.....and I'm not talking Trump here necessarily. I see it as a continuation of the recoil against globalism worldwide and the emergence of a polarity shifting paradigm.
There's been a large swing to the Right (in Europe especially) since the GFC. A lesson from history though is to be careful what you wish for when it comes to revolutions and allowing, via a protest vote, "alternatives" who are strongly anti-this and that to gain control. That worked really well in the 1930s as an answer to the Great Depression :help.
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Trump gets in and the US dollar will sink through the floor.
Will make travel to the States cheap.
:thumbsup
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He won't get in
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Seven days till the revolution.....and I'm not talking Trump here necessarily. I see it as a continuation of the recoil against globalism worldwide and the emergence of a polarity shifting paradigm.
There's been a large swing to the Right (in Europe especially) since the GFC. A lesson from history though is to be careful what you wish for when it comes to revolutions and allowing, via a protest vote, "alternatives" who are strongly anti-this and that to gain control. That worked really well in the 1930s as an answer to the Great Depression :help.
Cause left wing swings are soooooo innocuous. In any case it is a libertarian movement not a central planning putsch. Killary on the other hand is in the business of creating 'precariate' plantations.
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He won't get in
All things being equal (no voter fraud or suppression)..yes he will. Backed him at 50-1 through bet fair when he achieved the GOP nomination after supporting him through the primaries. Should have had him in the double with Brexit. He is now 3-1 and many of my confidantes are backing him. Right now he is mirroring the betting characteristics of the Brexit with the number (as opposed the collective value) of bets reflecting the pre-brexit figure - 65 percent in favour. Tip: if NH falls to him (reflecting a wider trend) it's all over red rover and we will know that early in the count. If he doesn't take it but takes Florida he is still in with a big chance.
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He won't get in
All things being equal (no voter fraud or suppression)..yes he will. Backed him at 50-1 through bet fair when he achieved the GOP nomination after supporting him through the primaries. Should have had him in the double with Brexit. He is now 3-1 and many of my confidantes are backing him. Right now he is mirroring the betting characteristics of the Brexit with the number (as opposed the collective value) of bets reflecting the pre-brexit figure - 65 percent in favour. Tip: if NH falls to him (reflecting a wider trend) it's all over red rover and we will know that early in the count. If he doesn't take it but takes Florida he is still in with a big chance.
He has to win all the swinging states like NH
All of them
Heaven help us if he does
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He won't get in
All things being equal (no voter fraud or suppression)..yes he will. Backed him at 50-1 through bet fair when he achieved the GOP nomination after supporting him through the primaries. Should have had him in the double with Brexit. He is now 3-1 and many of my confidantes are backing him. Right now he is mirroring the betting characteristics of the Brexit with the number (as opposed the collective value) of bets reflecting the pre-brexit figure - 65 percent in favour. Tip: if NH falls to him (reflecting a wider trend) it's all over red rover and we will know that early in the count. If he doesn't take it but takes Florida he is still in with a big chance.
He has to win all the swinging states like NH
All of them
Heaven help us if he does
As I stated.....the taking of NH would be indicative of a wider trend. I didn't want to patronise readers by stating what is bloody obvious regarding the clutch of marginal, predominately Eastern states, collectively known as 'battleground states'. But having said that he is a big chance to take Colorado, Michigan or even Nevada! There are many non-traditional pathways opening up for him.
Your use of "heaven" in that last sentence is ironic considering his opponent is a corrupt and corrupting, godless, mass murdering liar who's reported nickname used by FBI agents investigating her many crimes is: "the demon".
Give me a break!
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Trump isnt immune to being a liar, he preaches nothing but hate, is a racist who like so many pollies before him prays on people's fears and sprouts nonsense that he knows people want to hear
Neither are good let alone great options but line the 2 of them up and it's a case of which is the one to the least amount of damage
I am well aware of how things roll in US elections
Cant see him winning all of those swinging states but more importnatly I can see Clinton getting the few college votes in those swinging staes to give her the magic number she needs
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Trump isnt immune to being a liar, he preaches nothing but hate, is a racist who like so many pollies before him prays on people's fears and sprouts nonsense that he knows people want to hear
Neither are good let alone great options but line the 2 of them up and it's a case of which is the one to the least amount of damage
I am well aware of how things roll in US elections
Cant see him winning all of those swinging states but more importnatly I can see Clinton getting the few college votes in those swinging staes to give her the magic number she needs
You sound as indoctrinated as a Millennial Uni attending SJW. Look at the deep politics behind the parties for Geez sake. Btw how many countries and their people has Trump smashed? Now look at Killarys record. We can further discuss your naivity regarding US politics after he wins.
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There might well be the odd disruptive unionist buried in the foundations of Trump's casinos & hotels but as it stands right now, Hillary has the far higher body count to her name....
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Seven days till the revolution.....and I'm not talking Trump here necessarily. I see it as a continuation of the recoil against globalism worldwide and the emergence of a polarity shifting paradigm.
There's been a large swing to the Right (in Europe especially) since the GFC. A lesson from history though is to be careful what you wish for when it comes to revolutions and allowing, via a protest vote, "alternatives" who are strongly anti-this and that to gain control. That worked really well in the 1930s as an answer to the Great Depression :help.
Cause left wing swings are soooooo innocuous. In any case it is a libertarian movement not a central planning putsch. Killary on the other hand is in the business of creating 'precariate' plantations.
A libertarian movement? :snidegrin. True Libertarians at least act with reason, base their views on empirical evidence, and respect our long established institutions. This current tea party movement on the other hand is totally intolerant to anything and anyone they decide is unfit to exist. They want to act as a self-appointed judge, jury and executioner against anyone or any group they decide is a enemy or threat to the state like it's a return to 17th century Salem. They see anything that doesn't go their way, including election results, as being rigged and part of some overall conspiracy. It's fascism 101. A bunch of conspiracy theory extremists who pander to fear and hatred by blaming all the ills in their country on minorities and anyone else they can use as a scapegoat. We've seen this script before. Some of us have/had family members who fought to preserve our freedom against such nutjobs.
As for Trump - he is for himself. Always has been. He will say whatever gets him more money and power even if he contradicts himself.
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ps. The great irony is if the GOP had gone with a genuine level conservative candidate instead of this celebrity circus, they would be favourites to win today.
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ps. The great irony is if the GOP had gone with a genuine level conservative candidate instead of this celebrity circus, they would be favourites to win today.
4 years time watch for Paul Ryan
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Yes we can
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Trump doing way better than expected.
Looking like a toss of the coin. Holy hell!!!
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Trump will win.
May god have mercy on us all....
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Trump isnt immune to being a liar, he preaches nothing but hate, is a racist who like so many pollies before him prays on people's fears and sprouts nonsense that he knows people want to hear
Neither are good let alone great options but line the 2 of them up and it's a case of which is the one to the least amount of damage
I am well aware of how things roll in US elections
Cant see him winning all of those swinging states but more importnatly I can see Clinton getting the few college votes in those swinging staes to give her the magic number she needs
You sound as indoctrinated as a Millennial Uni attending SJW. Look at the deep politics behind the parties for Geez sake. Btw how many countries and their people has Trump smashed? Now look at Killarys record. We can further discuss your naivity regarding US politics after he wins.
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Wow. You picked this from the word go.
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Trump isnt immune to being a liar, he preaches nothing but hate, is a racist who like so many pollies before him prays on people's fears and sprouts nonsense that he knows people want to hear
Neither are good let alone great options but line the 2 of them up and it's a case of which is the one to the least amount of damage
I am well aware of how things roll in US elections
Cant see him winning all of those swinging states but more importnatly I can see Clinton getting the few college votes in those swinging staes to give her the magic number she needs
You sound as indoctrinated as a Millennial Uni attending SJW. Look at the deep politics behind the parties for Geez sake. Btw how many countries and their people has Trump smashed? Now look at Killarys record. We can further discuss your naivity regarding US politics after he wins.
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Wow. You picked this from the word go.
Why thank you Francois. It's even nicer when you get to rock up to collect the winnings after wading through SJW tears 😆 Seriously though I shed a tear as someone who has despised Yankee adventurism for over 40 years ......hopefully the slaughter of innocents is over.
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Here's to what's hopefully the beginning of the end of Cultural Marxism..... :clapping
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Trump will win.
May god have mercy on us all....
because a satanist, champagne socialist, lesbian feminist was going to save you yeah? You have heard of Saul Alinsky have you not? May she rot in hell!
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Here's to what's hopefully the beginning of the end of Cultural Marxism..... :clapping
Hear, hear! And hopefully the Republic, it's wonderful Constitution and Bill of Rights will be restored, saved and adhered to.
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its happening gif
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
So are you potting all American voters?
I kind of cant blame the Trump voters. This is the biggest middle finger to the establishment of all time.
Hillary was the cog which the media, wall street, the banks, oil companies, pharmaceuticals, shady overseas contributors etc etc all turned. They are all behind her.
Ironically the demographic that believe they have got left behind over the last 30 years - the middle and working class americans over 40 years of age finally have had enough of subsidising the upper 1% and what their polititians have delivered since Reagan.
That being said, what he also represents threatens to make the world a worse place than what it has been and would be under Clinton. And hes a lier like Clinton.
America will be very divided and that aint good.
I reckon Sanders could have possibly beaten Trump. Sanders would have delivered change but not risked the world economy, and got alot of those who wanted change from the establishment on board.
Another question now is, is this the end of political correctness and the SJW and the beginning of a new era of freedom to offend?
Interested in everyones thoughts.
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
What uneducated, patronising drivel. Familiarise yourself with the allegory 'Plato's Cave' morlock and try to drag yourself into the light. You may welcome a devolution and absorption into the Precariat but I will fight it with all my worth.
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Trump time
Yes we can
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
What uneducated, patronising drivel. Familiarise yourself with the allegory 'Plato's Cave' morlock and try to drag yourself into the light. You may welcome a devolution and absorption into the Precariat but I will fight it with all my worth.
Good for you
And I could deride you as being patronising as well.
But anyways
I reckon Clinton is a lying, conniving scumbag as well
But it came down as choice between the lesser of 2 evils and IMESHO they've chosen the the greater of the 2
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I reckon Sanders could have possibly beaten Trump. Sanders would have delivered change but not risked the world economy, and got alot of those who wanted change from the establishment on board.
Another question now is, is this the end of political correctness and the SJW and the beginning of a new era of freedom to offend?
Interested in everyones thoughts.
I agree with you re Sanders I think he would have won easily
But facts are he wasn't the chosen one
I am very concerned about the future not only America's (especially its economy) but for the world as a collective
Already Republicans leaders are saying they facing massive problems on delivering on Trumps promises as they wont pass the Senate...though I am sure Donald will blame that on everyone else
Which BTW they face a chance of losing control of
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Another question now is, is this the end of political correctness and the SJW and the beginning of a new era of freedom to offend?
Interested in everyones thoughts.
"When does free speech become hate speech?"
Never, unless you're too stupid to understand the meaning of the word "free."
- Jim Goad
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
What uneducated, patronising drivel. Familiarise yourself with the allegory 'Plato's Cave' morlock and try to drag yourself into the light. You may welcome a devolution and absorption into the Precariat but I will fight it with all my worth.
Good for you
And I could deride you as being patronising as well.
But anyways
I reckon Clinton is a lying, conniving scumbag as well
But it came down as choice between the lesser of 2 evils and IMESHO they've chosen the the greater of the 2
Again The Great Prophet Goad said it best:
Tonight the American media was eaten by a monster it's dishonesty created.
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Holy poo that is the best.
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Clean sweep for the GOP.....what a day. Only it isn't the GOP of this time yesterday - this is something different again. Viva the Republic! Now clean out the rats.
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The American Dream.
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So are you potting all American voters?
I kind of cant blame the Trump voters. This is the biggest middle finger to the establishment of all time.
I actually pot those who don't bother voting whether it because of complacency or apathy and the proceed to complain about the result
Interesting stat I read last night
240+ Million people eligible to vote in the USA, less than 50% actually bothered to vote
Have always wondered how different results over time would have been if it compulsory to vote in the USA
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I wouldn't be too concerned about Trump.
The GOP will need to be convinced of Trump's policies.
Holding control of both houses and the Presidency could make governing a lot easier.
And if Trump gets too far out of line his own party will impeach him, if not the CIA will take care of him.
:thumbsup
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Think people found his honesty refreshing. Fed up with political spin.
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I think the commentators still dont get it - I dont think this was specifically a Trump over Clinton lesser of 2 evils vote - imho this was a big F U to the establishment - ie career politicians, the puppeteers pulling the strings influencing media, policy, agenda etc. The people saw Trump warts and all, as someone who doesnt conform to that and voted accordingly.
Brexit was similar, every commentator and media outlet was telling voters how they should think, that if they voted to leave the EU they were, rascist, sexist, islamaphobs, uneducated or all of the above. I think people are tired of it.
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an old saying that I feel is in the background of the overall mood of the above 2 votes
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Yes dookster, Voting in the multi billionaire is very anti establishment ...
So are you potting all American voters?
I kind of cant blame the Trump voters. This is the biggest middle finger to the establishment of all time.
I actually pot those who don't bother voting whether it because of complacency or apathy and the proceed to complain about the result
Interesting stat I read last night
240+ Million people eligible to vote in the USA, less than 50% actually bothered to vote
Have always wondered how different results over time would have been if it compulsory to vote in the USA
Respectfully I can't agree with this. Churchill spoke a lot of crap but one of the more bang on comments he made was: "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter "
Isn't it bad enough, people were voting Hillary due to 'the boss', some d grade rapper and other various average musicians hold rally's for her an tell them to? Do you really want another 100 million mindless zombies voting? Sure, hillary might have won if like australia voting were mandatory - but that doesn't equate to it being 'good'.
The two party system is a joke. The lesser of two evils comment as mindset is correct. How can you pot people when the realistic only other option is warmongering, wall st puppet clinton?
All hail Gaius Julius trump
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I wouldn't be too concerned about Trump.
The GOP will need to be convinced of Trump's policies.
Holding control of both houses and the Presidency could make governing a lot easier.
And if Trump gets too far out of line his own party will impeach him, if not the CIA will take care of him.
:thumbsup
That's not funny.
I agree that he will get shot if he doesn't play ball.
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I think the commentators still dont get it - I dont think this was specifically a Trump over Clinton lesser of 2 evils vote - imho this was a big F U to the establishment - ie career politicians, the puppeteers pulling the strings influencing media, policy, agenda etc. The people saw Trump warts and all, as someone who doesnt conform to that and voted accordingly.
Brexit was similar, every commentator and media outlet was telling voters how they should think, that if they voted to leave the EU they were, rascist, sexist, islamaphobs, uneducated or all of the above. I think people are tired of it.
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an old saying that I feel is in the background of the overall mood of the above 2 votes
Pretty much this. The fact that the media were so shocked and stunned as it happened was just proof that people are waking up and aren't going to just believe whatever narrative they are fed by the media any more. Trump has done something remarkable of first taking down the Republican boys club and now he has smashed the establishment. Brexit, Trump, I'll put Pauline Hanson in too, the right has its tail up and Merkel and Hollande are next. The people are sick of politicians, the establishment, their emotional agendas and cultural Marxist rubbish, the west is getting a hard reset and nobody cares anymore if it means breaking a few eggs. Killary Shillary is as crooked as they come and on top of that had us on a likely warpath with Russia over Syria. Loving seeing how already Australian politicians, Republicans, and anyone else who were against him are now kneeling and kissing his ring as if he were Caesar.
All hail God-Emperor Trump.
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Geez Geez Pauline? Would rather barnarby cause he has some idea I think
The "cultural economic Marxism is dead angle" is quite odd. It's not as if option b was Lenin or Mao - she is right wing as they come
Not only did Obama and Hillary have us fighting russia and Assad in Syria , but we are allies with isis* in this war. Now, have a kit-kat and think about that for a bit...
* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Syria–Iran–Iraq_coalition
* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War
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As in the support she and her party received when the media gave her no chance. It's a tide sweeping through the west.
You can't lump cultural and economic Marxism together though as they are exclusive of each other. Hillary and the entire party are definitely cultural Marxists. This is the angle that the majority are peeed off at whether they know what it is called or not. So many rusted on democrats are now claiming that the decrepit old socialist Bernie would have saved them so you can just call them Marxists anyway if you want.
Most people are unaware of the complicated proxies in the Syrian civil war right now that you allude to so whether they like it not Trump is their saviour.
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
So are you potting all American voters?
I kind of cant blame the Trump voters. This is the biggest middle finger to the establishment of all time.
Hillary was the cog which the media, wall street, the banks, oil companies, pharmaceuticals, shady overseas contributors etc etc all turned. They are all behind her.
Ironically the demographic that believe they have got left behind over the last 30 years - the middle and working class americans over 40 years of age finally have had enough of subsidising the upper 1% and what their polititians have delivered since Reagan.
That being said, what he also represents threatens to make the world a worse place than what it has been and would be under Clinton. And hes a lier like Clinton.
America will be very divided and that aint good.
I reckon Sanders could have possibly beaten Trump. Sanders would have delivered change but not risked the world economy, and got alot of those who wanted change from the establishment on board.
Another question now is, is this the end of political correctness and the SJW and the beginning of a new era of freedom to offend?
Interested in everyones thoughts.
What people fail to understand is that this is a response to the 'fifth column' change agents who for 50 years have undermined what was a seminal moment of time for western working and middle classes. We have the template but it doesn't include the welfare plantation, globalism, crony capitalism and cultural Marxism. Bernie Sanders as a change agent are you kidding! He would have brought about civil war. Alinsky adherents should thank their lucky stars that Trump won yesterday as their time was at hand one way or another. Trump is the kindest option.
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As in the support she and her party received when the media gave her no chance. It's a tide sweeping through the west.
You can't lump cultural and economic Marxism together though as they are exclusive of each other. Hillary and the entire party are definitely cultural Marxists. This is the angle that the majority are peeed off at whether they know what it is called or not. So many rusted on democrats are now claiming that the decrepit old socialist Bernie would have saved them so you can just call them Marxists anyway if you want.
Most people are unaware of the complicated proxies in the Syrian civil war right now that you allude to so whether they like it not Trump is their saviour.
Tbh I have no idea what cultural Marxism what a funky phrase. Could you explain to me how the democrats are so, yet the republicans not?
I was not referring to you but many others are lauding the death of economic Marxism with puppet hillary losing. This has me perplexed. What did they think the hillary plan was
I reckon bernie would of smashed trump. It's a shame the cheeky slag rigged he primaries. A less wealth person would have been in jail many times over.
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Most people are unaware of the complicated proxies in the Syrian civil war right now that you allude to so whether they like it not Trump is their saviour.
That egg is finally cracking. Putin routinely rated higher than Trump and Killary in US polls. Btw it isn't that complicated when you realise there are no 'moderate' rebels in Syria. AQ and it's various guises vs Al Assad and his Allies (including the Ruskies). Nb the US through the CIA has been supporting AQ for 40 years. There is a schism though between the Pentagon and the CIA on this issue.
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
So are you potting all American voters?
I kind of cant blame the Trump voters. This is the biggest middle finger to the establishment of all time.
Hillary was the cog which the media, wall street, the banks, oil companies, pharmaceuticals, shady overseas contributors etc etc all turned. They are all behind her.
Ironically the demographic that believe they have got left behind over the last 30 years - the middle and working class americans over 40 years of age finally have had enough of subsidising the upper 1% and what their polititians have delivered since Reagan.
That being said, what he also represents threatens to make the world a worse place than what it has been and would be under Clinton. And hes a lier like Clinton.
America will be very divided and that aint good.
I reckon Sanders could have possibly beaten Trump. Sanders would have delivered change but not risked the world economy, and got alot of those who wanted change from the establishment on board.
Another question now is, is this the end of political correctness and the SJW and the beginning of a new era of freedom to offend?
Interested in everyones thoughts.
What people fail to understand is that this is a response to the 'fifth column' change agents who for 50 years have undermined what was a seminal moment of time for western working and middle classes. We have the template but it doesn't include the welfare plantation, globalism, crony capitalism and cultural Marxism. Bernie Sanders as a change agent are you kidding! He would have brought about civil war. Alinsky adherents should thank their lucky stars that Trump won yesterday as their time was at hand one way or another. Trump is the kindest option.
Why do you think civil war is less likely now than under bernie?
I don't think poor blacks , rednecks, Mexicans would have civil war over taxing billionaires for a change
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As in the support she and her party received when the media gave her no chance. It's a tide sweeping through the west.
You can't lump cultural and economic Marxism together though as they are exclusive of each other. Hillary and the entire party are definitely cultural Marxists. This is the angle that the majority are peeed off at whether they know what it is called or not. So many rusted on democrats are now claiming that the decrepit old socialist Bernie would have saved them so you can just call them Marxists anyway if you want.
Most people are unaware of the complicated proxies in the Syrian civil war right now that you allude to so whether they like it not Trump is their saviour.
Tbh I have no idea what cultural Marxism what a funky phrase. Could you explain to me how the democrats are so, yet the republicans not?
I was not referring to you but many others are lauding the death of economic Marxism with puppet hillary losing. This has me perplexed. What did they think the hillary plan was
Sorry for assumption, the post came straight after. ;D
Cultural Marxism is easy. Replace the bourgeois with white people and proletarians with minorities is the simplest way.
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As in the support she and her party received when the media gave her no chance. It's a tide sweeping through the west.
You can't lump cultural and economic Marxism together though as they are exclusive of each other. Hillary and the entire party are definitely cultural Marxists. This is the angle that the majority are peeed off at whether they know what it is called or not. So many rusted on democrats are now claiming that the decrepit old socialist Bernie would have saved them so you can just call them Marxists anyway if you want.
Most people are unaware of the complicated proxies in the Syrian civil war right now that you allude to so whether they like it not Trump is their saviour.
Tbh I have no idea what cultural Marxism what a funky phrase. Could you explain to me how the democrats are so, yet the republicans not?
I was not referring to you but many others are lauding the death of economic Marxism with puppet hillary losing. This has me perplexed. What did they think the hillary plan was
Sorry for assumption, the post came straight after. ;D
Cultural Marxism is easy. Replace the bourgeois with heterosexual white people and proletarians with minorities is the simplest way.
efa
FFI Google "The Frankfurt School", Bents....
In Sum: McCarthy was right.
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I did have hetero initially but removed it to make it more general. Though hetero white male would be even more accurate.
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The correct party lost.
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The correct party lost.
Liberal, labour, Democrats, republican . There not a heap of difference. Wasn't the idea Obama was going to 'change' something what happened there? Same elitest lobby/bribe interst groups with much Of the control
Trump and bernie seem to be outside the traditional box somewhat. Hopefully he's not a puppet or mind control mkuktra victim. If so, hopefully he doesn't get jfk'ed
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7I92r9GqUw
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The correct party lost.
Liberal, labour, Democrats, republican . There not a heap of difference. Wasn't the idea Obama was going to 'change' something what happened there? Same elitest lobby/bribe interst groups with much Of the control
Trump and bernie seem to be outside the traditional box somewhat. Hopefully he's not a puppet or mind control mkuktra victim. If so, hopefully he doesn't get jfk'ed
Agree. They all serve the same master.
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Seven days till the revolution.....and I'm not talking Trump here necessarily. I see it as a continuation of the recoil against globalism worldwide and the emergence of a polarity shifting paradigm.
There's been a large swing to the Right (in Europe especially) since the GFC. A lesson from history though is to be careful what you wish for when it comes to revolutions and allowing, via a protest vote, "alternatives" who are strongly anti-this and that to gain control. That worked really well in the 1930s as an answer to the Great Depression :help.
Cause left wing swings are soooooo innocuous. In any case it is a libertarian movement not a central planning putsch. Killary on the other hand is in the business of creating 'precariate' plantations.
A libertarian movement? :snidegrin. True Libertarians at least act with reason, base their views on empirical evidence, and respect our long established institutions. This current tea party movement on the other hand is totally intolerant to anything and anyone they decide is unfit to exist. They want to act as a self-appointed judge, jury and executioner against anyone or any group they decide is a enemy or threat to the state like it's a return to 17th century Salem. They see anything that doesn't go their way, including election results, as being rigged and part of some overall conspiracy. It's fascism 101. A bunch of conspiracy theory extremists who pander to fear and hatred by blaming all the ills in their country on minorities and anyone else they can use as a scapegoat. We've seen this script before. Some of us have/had family members who fought to preserve our freedom against such nutjobs.
As for Trump - he is for himself. Always has been. He will say whatever gets him more money and power even if he contradicts himself.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwplxcZVEAAXbVa.jpg)
ps. The great irony is if the GOP had gone with a genuine level conservative candidate instead of this celebrity circus, they would be favourites to win today.
Ha ha just saw this post. Firstly, you were wrong about the election. Secondly, the libertarians behind Trump are following correct institutions - namely the Constitution. Thirdly, you refer to the tea party and its connections as Conspiracy Theorists by wrapping your argument.....in a Conspiracy Theory!!!! In any case the Tea Party is a very minor player these days..... but if you had any insight you would know that. Then you bring out the old chestnut: "we had family who fought against such nutjobs". Newsflash: we all have had ancestors who fought in wars, sometimes on reflection for the wrong side.
You have no idea of the movement behind Trump and it's transformative power. It took some 4 years forsome to say I was right about Hardwick. I assure you that within a similar time frame you will do likewise regarding Trump. Now man up and get with the new Paradigm!
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
So are you potting all American voters?
I kind of cant blame the Trump voters. This is the biggest middle finger to the establishment of all time.
Hillary was the cog which the media, wall street, the banks, oil companies, pharmaceuticals, shady overseas contributors etc etc all turned. They are all behind her.
Ironically the demographic that believe they have got left behind over the last 30 years - the middle and working class americans over 40 years of age finally have had enough of subsidising the upper 1% and what their polititians have delivered since Reagan.
That being said, what he also represents threatens to make the world a worse place than what it has been and would be under Clinton. And hes a lier like Clinton.
America will be very divided and that aint good.
I reckon Sanders could have possibly beaten Trump. Sanders would have delivered change but not risked the world economy, and got alot of those who wanted change from the establishment on board.
Another question now is, is this the end of political correctness and the SJW and the beginning of a new era of freedom to offend?
Interested in everyones thoughts.
What people fail to understand is that this is a response to the 'fifth column' change agents who for 50 years have undermined what was a seminal moment of time for western working and middle classes. We have the template but it doesn't include the welfare plantation, globalism, crony capitalism and cultural Marxism. Bernie Sanders as a change agent are you kidding! He would have brought about civil war. Alinsky adherents should thank their lucky stars that Trump won yesterday as their time was at hand one way or another. Trump is the kindest option.
Why do you think civil war is less likely now than under bernie?
The left has no guts....or guns. Nor do they have right (pun intended) on their side.
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For those wanting to inform themselves on the coming age I offer the following icons by way of introduction. I have erred on the side of entertainment rather than academia when making this list. If you wish to commit to deeper research you will find various references offered by these informative and entertaining presenters. Just google them or watch their Youtube Channel:
Stefan Molyneaux
Paul Joseph Watson
Milo Yianopolous
Stephen Crowder (louder with Crowder)
Mike Cernovich
Matt Drudge
Gavin McGinnes
Alex Jones (yes AJ for all you triggered nancy's)
Gary Franchi
Ann Coulter
etc etc
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Day off hence the keystroke productivity. Just received great news! Trey Gowdy, a magnificent and fearless Constitutionalist is tipped to be Trumps Attorney General. This proves that he is not in the hands of Neocons as he overlooked Guiliani. Nb.Trump was having conversations with those in the conservative underground for several years leading up to his entrance in the primaries. He despises the establishment on both sides of the political spectrum.
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
So are you potting all American voters?
I kind of cant blame the Trump voters. This is the biggest middle finger to the establishment of all time.
Hillary was the cog which the media, wall street, the banks, oil companies, pharmaceuticals, shady overseas contributors etc etc all turned. They are all behind her.
Ironically the demographic that believe they have got left behind over the last 30 years - the middle and working class americans over 40 years of age finally have had enough of subsidising the upper 1% and what their polititians have delivered since Reagan.
That being said, what he also represents threatens to make the world a worse place than what it has been and would be under Clinton. And hes a lier like Clinton.
America will be very divided and that aint good.
I reckon Sanders could have possibly beaten Trump. Sanders would have delivered change but not risked the world economy, and got alot of those who wanted change from the establishment on board.
Another question now is, is this the end of political correctness and the SJW and the beginning of a new era of freedom to offend?
Interested in everyones thoughts.
What people fail to understand is that this is a response to the 'fifth column' change agents who for 50 years have undermined what was a seminal moment of time for western working and middle classes. We have the template but it doesn't include the welfare plantation, globalism, crony capitalism and cultural Marxism. Bernie Sanders as a change agent are you kidding! He would have brought about civil war. Alinsky adherents should thank their lucky stars that Trump won yesterday as their time was at hand one way or another. Trump is the kindest option.
Why do you think civil war is less likely now than under bernie?
The left has no guts....or guns. Nor do they have right (pun intended) on their side.
Russia and china won ww2
Strange comment - I get you are a kraut so it may be a touchy issue
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I applaud those who tipped this racist, sexist piece of scum as the winner.
As that looks like what's going to happen
Is it good for Australia? Nope
Does it further prove the lack pf quality leaders in politics? Yep
Does show how gulible and stupid people are when they get fed fear mongering propaganda that clealry want to hear, without actually been given any solid policies? Yep again
What does it say about the American people? Lots but i won't go there
So are you potting all American voters?
I kind of cant blame the Trump voters. This is the biggest middle finger to the establishment of all time.
Hillary was the cog which the media, wall street, the banks, oil companies, pharmaceuticals, shady overseas contributors etc etc all turned. They are all behind her.
Ironically the demographic that believe they have got left behind over the last 30 years - the middle and working class americans over 40 years of age finally have had enough of subsidising the upper 1% and what their polititians have delivered since Reagan.
That being said, what he also represents threatens to make the world a worse place than what it has been and would be under Clinton. And hes a lier like Clinton.
America will be very divided and that aint good.
I reckon Sanders could have possibly beaten Trump. Sanders would have delivered change but not risked the world economy, and got alot of those who wanted change from the establishment on board.
Another question now is, is this the end of political correctness and the SJW and the beginning of a new era of freedom to offend?
Interested in everyones thoughts.
What people fail to understand is that this is a response to the 'fifth column' change agents who for 50 years have undermined what was a seminal moment of time for western working and middle classes. We have the template but it doesn't include the welfare plantation, globalism, crony capitalism and cultural Marxism. Bernie Sanders as a change agent are you kidding! He would have brought about civil war. Alinsky adherents should thank their lucky stars that Trump won yesterday as their time was at hand one way or another. Trump is the kindest option.
Why do you think civil war is less likely now than under bernie?
The left has no guts....or guns. Nor do they have right (pun intended) on their side.
Russia and china won ww2
Strange comment - I get you are a kraut so it may be a touchy issue
Ohhh...ffs...at least try to be somewhat sentient even if it hurts your brain stem to try.
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So it's specifically the american populace left that's "gutless"?
Cause as I said the Ruskis whipped your boys - happy Anzac Day too
I took some popcorn to the (recent, melbourne) anti fascist / neonazi biff and the left went alright in that
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Day off hence the keystroke productivity. Just received great news! Trey Gowdy, a magnificent and fearless Constitutionalist is tipped to be Trumps Attorney General. This proves that he is not in the hands of Neocons as he overlooked Guiliani. Nb.Trump was having conversations with those in the conservative underground for several years leading up to his entrance in the primaries. He despises the establishment on both sides of the political spectrum.
Rumour (and yes only a rumour) is that Guiliani is getting/wants defence.
:cheers
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Day off hence the keystroke productivity. Just received great news! Trey Gowdy, a magnificent and fearless Constitutionalist is tipped to be Trumps Attorney General. This proves that he is not in the hands of Neocons as he overlooked Guiliani. Nb.Trump was having conversations with those in the conservative underground for several years leading up to his entrance in the primaries. He despises the establishment on both sides of the political spectrum.
Interesting times ahead. Be ineresting to see how much he pokes the bear.
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So it's specifically the american populace left that's "gutless"?
Cause as I said the Ruskis whipped your boys - happy Anzac Day too
I took some popcorn to the (recent, melbourne) anti fascist / neonazi biff and the left went alright in that
How old are you? If you are young there is still hope - hit the books. Start with authors: Lysander Spooner and Milton Freidman. If you are over 25 and do not mind your manners you will be ignored - as we are in the 'interweb' environ. If we weren't............
BTW I saw that footage and not one of those belligerents could 'hold their hands up'. Weak as pi55 all of them. But it seems you were impressed, which is telling.
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So it's specifically the american populace left that's "gutless"?
Cause as I said the Ruskis whipped your boys - happy Anzac Day too
I took some popcorn to the (recent, melbourne) anti fascist / neonazi biff and the left went alright in that
How old are you?
If you went by the number of name changes he would be ancient
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So it's specifically the american populace left that's "gutless"?
Cause as I said the Ruskis whipped your boys - happy Anzac Day too
I took some popcorn to the (recent, melbourne) anti fascist / neonazi biff and the left went alright in that
How old are you?
If you went by the number of name changes he would be ancient
Not him again. I have admiration for posters with the courage to keep their name - You're no longer on ignore Chuck. I'm feeling magnanimous following Trumps win and relieved after catching an elusive Tiger snake in my backyard.
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Have to laugh at the anti-Trump riots in Portland....probably America's whitest of white, most middle-class city....says it all really...
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Day off hence the keystroke productivity. Just received great news! Trey Gowdy, a magnificent and fearless Constitutionalist is tipped to be Trumps Attorney General. This proves that he is not in the hands of Neocons as he overlooked Guiliani. Nb.Trump was having conversations with those in the conservative underground for several years leading up to his entrance in the primaries. He despises the establishment on both sides of the political spectrum.
Rumour (and yes only a rumour) is that Guiliani is getting/wants defence.
:cheers
Hope not
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Have to laugh at the anti-Trump riots in Portland....America's whitest of white, most middle-class city....says it all really...
The whole left scenario is like a dysfunctional family writ large. Absentee or 'cucked' fathers...., self absorbed (and usually well-fattened) mothers and their offspring who are whiny, developmentally arrested, gender role confused caricatures of human beings.
I sacrificed much to bring up 3 wonderfully manly boys. They copped crap from lesbian feminist teachers and would be bullies (and gave it back two-fold) causing me to spend many hours in various Principles offices defending them. They are now young adults and shine when they walk into rooms. I was pointing out to my youngest who is in VCE the other day the importance of Mavericks like Trump and he said that a growing number of his mates are bucking up against the leftist SJW narrative.....there is hope yet.
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So it's specifically the american populace left that's "gutless"?
Cause as I said the Ruskis whipped your boys - happy Anzac Day too
I took some popcorn to the (recent, melbourne) anti fascist / neonazi biff and the left went alright in that
How old are you?
If you went by the number of name changes he would be ancient
Not him again. I have admiration for posters with the courage to keep their name - You're no longer on ignore Chuck. I'm feeling magnanimous following Trumps win and relieved after catching an elusive Tiger snake in my backyard.
Thank you, I am almost up to 10 000 posts of pure poo
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Day off hence the keystroke productivity. Just received great news! Trey Gowdy, a magnificent and fearless Constitutionalist is tipped to be Trumps Attorney General. This proves that he is not in the hands of Neocons as he overlooked Guiliani. Nb.Trump was having conversations with those in the conservative underground for several years leading up to his entrance in the primaries. He despises the establishment on both sides of the political spectrum.
Rumour (and yes only a rumour) is that Guiliani is getting/wants defence.
:cheers
Hope not
stuffn hope so. :clapping
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The dip in the stock markets around the world as a initial response to the Dow Jones falling is a direct response to Trump being elected....right? right! But a more forensic look by Bloomberg Economics has showed that stocks that dived were entirely from the pockets of the super rich crony capitalists such as Carlos Slim and Saudi Princes among others. Trump has achieved through his 'contract with America' in 24 hours what the 'Occupy' movement couldn't achieve through years of protest. In fact their support for larger Government intervention fostered the opposite. The left is a tool of the system. Nb. there has been a massive rebound in the Dow Jones over the last 24 hours reflecting the confidence generally in the economy regarding Trumps new taxation system.
Where is our Trump?
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A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.
When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.
As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."
I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about ;)).
I could go on, that's probably enough for now.
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Commodity markets going 'through the roof' due to Trumps stated commitment to infrastructure spending- which is great for Australia (iron ore tax receipts). I just hope Turnbull (who I despise) retires Gilliard/Rudd debt and doesn't participate in pseudo left 'spendathons'.
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A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.
When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.
As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."
I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about ;)).
I could go on, that's probably enough for now.
With Milo he is in his own words a professional provocateur but i do like to be forced to consider my opinion and world view. I like that as a Catholic gay man with a black boyfriend and right wing values, born in England to greek parents and moved to the States, he cant be pidgeon holed.
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Milo's only "right wing" because's his shyte-scared Muslims will chuck him & his fellow sodomites off a building one day....
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They'd be in line behind the Jews.
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A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.
When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.
As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."
I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about ;)).
I could go on, that's probably enough for now.
great post dougey :clapping
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A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.
When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.
As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."
I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about ;)).
I could go on, that's probably enough for now.
great post dougey :clapping
Other than the reference to Trumps impeachment/assassination I agree.
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As if obama was gonna take on the political elite lol
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As if obama was gonna take on the political elite lol
As if he wasnt? He had only been a senator for 3 years before he ran for pres. Very much an anti establishment figure....
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and ended up like a used democrats Condom
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Or a pizza stain on a handkerchief.
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Did Obama have majorities in both houses ?
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A lot of serious reflection needs to come about amongst the left. A mantra I very much consider myself a part of is going about things in completely the wrong way. How about holding a mirror up to ourselves, asking how we lost to an utterly unlosable election. And I say we despite obviously not being part of the US constituency.
When Obama took office in 2008 he had as strong a mandate as anyone has had to take on the political elite - flush out those responsible for the GFC and act accordingly. From my understanding of how it came about - many people should have been convicted, or the system should have been checked harder at the very least. Instead we had many responsible winding up working for and involved in the Obama administration.
As most of you guys have been quick to identify, Hilary was the embodyment of everything hurting the middle america who voted Obama in. Initially it appeared a complete anomaly that Trump could win despite Clinton having such a tremendous lead at the polls. After a second look, it was obvious she was going to lose. But we get our american media from the democrat hubs of NY and Cali - strongholds of the democratic left. Its a filtered and bias replication of whats actually happening. Social media played a huge and thusfar understated role in this boilover. We read only what we want to read. Algorithms feed us only what we already have read and consumed. Facebook doesn't challenge us. The left has gone unchecked and unchallenged for 8 years because of this. Because I follow politics closely I was very intune with the primaries and Trump smashed it in the Mid west Industrial belt: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Hilary was totally belted by Sanders through the same area. The EC votes through these states almost literally decided the election. And honestly, as a hard left idealist I found Trump totally inspiring. "If you take the manufacturing down to Mexico - I'm going to slap a 35% tarriff on what you send back."
I love listening to guys like Yiannopoulis. Not because I agree with much (if any) of what he has to say, but because he challenges my position on things like feminism. I've changed my position accordingly. I don't believe things like the issues of domestic violence belong in the feminist movement. They're too important and feminism is totally decisive. But Milo holding that mirror up to myself has forced me to justify my position. We need to stop dismissing people like this on the outset, listen to what they have to say and then rationalise our positions - the right wing filter, if you will. Im so sick and tired of scrolling through facebook at the moment and reading about how "America just proved its not ready for a female president" and how people are protesting through the streets screaming "Not my Pres". For gods sake, take a look at yourselves. Ask how we lost this election and get better instead of whinging. Its not going to be that bad, it really isn't. Trump will probably be impeached or assasinated anyway. Hell, the last anti-establishment president was killed because he was too damn good (guess which one I'm talking about ;)).
I could go on, that's probably enough for now.
great post dougey :clapping
Other than the reference to Trumps impeachment/assassination I agree.
FYI I can read but can't answer your PM because of the block, but I don't know the answer to your question anyway
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As if obama was gonna take on the political elite lol
As if he wasnt? He had only been a senator for 3 years before he ran for pres. Very much an anti establishment figure....
Was the perception put fwd (esp post Bush) but don't think it was reasonably the case. The establishment owned him.
Did Obama have majorities in both houses ?
Fair point. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the answer is yes for his first term and no for his second term.
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Obama is a fool.
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Trump appointing a swamp alligator as COS ?
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Climate change denier as environment minister , good start
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Climate change denier as environment minister , good start
Climate change alarmism is a fraudulent attempt to build markets around a false paradigm. We were a 'snowball' planet 600 million years ago and would have remained so if not for extraordinary volcanism resulting in the primary release of c02 coupled with the secondary release of water encapsulated methane. Did you know that we are currently in a 100,000 year old Ice Age, momentarily inter-glacial (and overdue). WTF do you think may be stopping us from going full-blown glacial ATM? Or would you rather rapid cooling and desertification? I say treble co2 levels and watch the deserts bloom.
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How long before the Libs split and/or Turnbull gets shafted?
:cheers
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/dec/27/coalition-loses-ground-with-men-and-older-voters-newspoll-shows
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How long before the Libs split and/or Turnbull gets shafted?
:cheers
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/dec/27/coalition-loses-ground-with-men-and-older-voters-newspoll-shows
I tipped Trump and right now I am tipping a Putsch by Cory Bernadi.....
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trump giving the fake stream media a golden shower lol
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trump giving the fake stream media a golden shower lol
:lol....yes, his first week has been a delight. BTW Sean Spicer is a gun!
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will he return the Christian lands to their traditional owners and will he turn deserts green?
He wont be too popular in his circles when he builds the wall and dries up the supply of coke supply, though
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trump giving the fake stream media a golden shower lol
:lol....yes, his first week has been a delight. BTW Sean Spicer is a gun!
yep, couldnt agree more. Werent the world markets supposed to crash by now. I guess when/if it does they will blame it on the appointment of trump.
Very satisfying watching the events unfold the last few months starting with the killary leaks.
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trump giving the fake stream media a golden shower lol
:lol....yes, his first week has been a delight. BTW Sean Spicer is a gun!
Yep it's been refreshing. Fun watching the SJW's, hollywood and the media sooking it up.
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The Bernadi revolt I predicted is on ......http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/senator-cory-bernardi-set-to-defect-from-the-liberal-party-according-to-new-reports/news-story/0d6468737b0a1afe72fed480c62790c2
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We'll see a revolution here...soon enough...
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MAGA ?
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MAGA ?
Yes my friend it is indeed.....time to roll-up the sleeves and eradicate from the collective consciousness the curse of Cultural Marxism and all it's offspring: (feminism/feminised men/white male vilification/collectivism/welfare state and statism in general/ the eschewing of science for political ends and the relentless attack on the family as a cornerstone of society. Note. I didn't mention religion as I am agnostic, but so long as it isn't state aligned and not Islam I could put up with it I suppose. See you at the barricades!
PS........The screaming banshees in Politics and the MSM and already rehashing the anti-trump campaign style in response....didn't work then and won't now.
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Ruanaidh,
As a white (olive to be exact) male I'm told with increasing frequency to 'check my priveledge'. Hence, I'm beginning to sense a bit of guilt that I am carrying around, largely for the decisions of my ancestors but also that my own hard work has indeed paid off and enjoy a good standard of living.
What would your advice be in these changing times that we live in?
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MAGA ?
Yes my friend it is indeed.....time to roll-up the sleeves and eradicate from the collective consciousness the curse of Cultural Marxism and all it's permeations (feminism/feminised men/white male vilification/collectivism/welfare state and statism in general/ the eschewing of science for political ends and the relentless attack on the family as a cornerstone of society. Note. I didn't mention religion as I am agnostic, but so long as it isn't state aligned and not Islam I could put up with it I suppose. See you at the barricades!
PS........The screaming banshees in Politics and the MSM and already rehashing the anti-trump campaign style in response....didn't work then and won't now.
The MSM will help drive people in that direction. The Sydney Morning Herald is already sharpening it's pencils.
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Ruanaidh,
As a white (olive to be exact) male I'm told with increasing frequency to 'check my priveledge'. Hence, I'm beginning to sense a bit of guilt that I am carrying around, largely for the decisions of my ancestors but also that my own hard work has indeed paid off and enjoy a good standard of living.
What would your advice be in these changing times that we live in?
Now's not the time for frivolity Dooks....it's time to turn ploughshares into swords [sic]...but if you want to hit your sophists with a metaphorical 'wet fish', ask them to read this book and GTFO: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1212328.They_Were_White_They_Were_Slaves
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MAGA ?
Yes my friend it is indeed.....time to roll-up the sleeves and eradicate from the collective consciousness the curse of Cultural Marxism and all it's permeations (feminism/feminised men/white male vilification/collectivism/welfare state and statism in general/ the eschewing of science for political ends and the relentless attack on the family as a cornerstone of society. Note. I didn't mention religion as I am agnostic, but so long as it isn't state aligned and not Islam I could put up with it I suppose. See you at the barricades!
PS........The screaming banshees in Politics and the MSM and already rehashing the anti-trump campaign style in response....didn't work then and won't now.
The MSM will help drive people in that direction. The Sydney Morning Herald is already sharpening it's pencils.
I'll make another prediction now Harry. This new Party will draw as many followers from the ALP as they will from the Coalition. There is a seething resentment of the mainstream body politic on behalf working class men of European stock just as there was in Michigan and Wisconsin.....and we know what happened there, don't we.
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Australia doesn't have a presidential political system. We also have compulsory voting unlike the USA, UK and most European nations which makes it harder for third parties and independents to win seats in the House of Reps where our government is formed.
Australia is not Europe nor America despite what the cultural cringers think :sleep. Our demographics are different as well. The economic centre of the world is shifting towards east Asia and the Pacific. Bad news for old trans-Atlantic countries (Western Europe & Eastern USA) which have dominated world trade and power for the past 300-400 years, but good news for Australia as we are geographically in the region and will no longer be at "the arse end of the world".
Also traditional ALP voters, with the LNP in government, would not vote for another Conservative party. In any case, any disaffected working class voters would more likely switch further left to the Greens, to the far-right (One Nation) or to a high profile populist candidate (eg: Palmer, Xenophon, Hinch, etc.). Bernardi has no profile outside of SA and Andrew Bolt blog types. All Bernardi will do is split the core LNP base in SA and other parts of the country his new party challenges in. That only benefits the ALP. The current LNP government is a disintegrating rabble at war within itself. What will be interesting is whether Christensen, Abetz, Andrews & co. will follow Bernardi. If this really gets ugly then it could bring down the government and send us to the polls again sometime this year.
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I would have preferred Bernadi to have joined One Nation so we could have had one consolidated Conservative party.
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I would have preferred Bernadi to have joined One Nation so we could have had one consolidated Conservative party.
Was never going to happen, One Nation is run by a woman.
Cori wants to take us back to the 50's when pig-iron Bob run the country.
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ah, the good ol days when it was OK to bash your wife, poofs and anyone that looked different.
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ah, the good ol days when it was OK to bash your wife, sissys and anyone that looked different.
:lol
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I would have preferred Bernadi to have joined One Nation so we could have had one consolidated Conservative party.
Was never going to happen, One Nation is run by a woman.
Cori wants to take us back to the 50's when pig-iron Bob run the country.
Horrible dismissive view you have of him :thumbsdown
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ah, the good ol days when it was OK to bash your wife, sissys and anyone that looked different.
:lol
Ahh the good ol days of the fifties. The nostalgic romanticism of better times.
The good ol days. When the average lifespan was 60 years, 1 in 10 children died before the age of 5 the average education levels were til age 14.
The good ol days. When the world was on the brink of nuclear annihilation and you could get the death penalty even if you were innocent.
Ahh the good ol days. No air con, limited telephones, black and white tv and outdoor toilets in the backyard. Drink driving, no seatbelts and massive road tolls.
And forget overseas holidays - who'd want to (or be able to afford to) see the world when getting eaten alive by mozzies in gippsland was the destination of choice.
Ahh the good old days. When meat and 3 veg, 7 days per week was good eating and you couldnt shop after 12 on a saturday or at all on a sunday.
The good ol days. When polio and smallpox ran rampant and smoking in your asbestos house was a-ok.
The good ol days ::)
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I think people are at least still allowed to smoke in their own homes.....give it time thugh.....
Mobile phones cause cancer, are a social cancer and enable people to bother you all day no matter where you are, weekend trading exploits workers, food is now over processed and we have an obesity epidemic...tv is stupid & shyte, the world was safer when the West & the Soviet Bloc had all the warheads and cancelled each other out with Mutally Assured Destruction.......pedos, murderers & rapists get slaps on the wrist and bail...at least an outhouse made you get some fresh air, now people hardly ever leave the couch...people live too long, many in pain and confusion, draining resources and contributing to overpopulation....
Yep what an age we live in.... :clapping
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I think people are at least still allowed to smoke in their own homes.....give it time thugh.....
Mobile phones cause cancer, are a social cancer and enable people to bother you all day no matter where you are, weekend trading exploits workers, food is now over processed and we have an obesity epidemic...tv is poo .the world was safer when the West & the Soviet Bloc had all the warheads abd cancelled each other out with Mutally Assured and clog d Destruction....(there was never going t be a nuclear war)...pedos, murderers & rapists get slaps on the wrist and bail...at least an outhouse made you get some fresh air, now people hardly ever leave there couch,, .people live too long, many in pain and confusion,draining resources and contributing to overpopulation....
Yep what an age we live in.... :clapping
And yet, our standards of living are higher and we have more choices.
What age would you prefer to live in Dio?
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Is it really higher or do we just think it is?
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Is it really higher or do we just think it is?
In terms of wealth, comfort, life expectancy, health care, education, access to neccesities and ownership of goods, i would say yes. There are modern day problems but overall things are better i would say.
Are homicide and sexual assualt rates really higher? I was just lookin at some stats which show stable rates per 100,000 persons since the early 90s. Others which show minor increases in some areas since the 50s but minor drops in others.
We are a pretty safe country. The media likes to hype things. That aside, i do think we should be smarter and tougher on how we deal with criminals.
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There's pros & cons to both eras....if we travelled back in time we'd probably hate it because we're used to now....to the people from then it's all they knew and most were probably glad there was no Great Depression and WWII was over ....though maybe a few might have pined for the roaring 20's....at least in Australia where there was no prohibition....
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you can turn your phone off
if you used the term "exploit workers" in the 50s you'd be labelled a commie and gang bashed by Ruanaidh types
the world saw just as many conflicts when the yanks and ruskies were sabre rattling
The 50s was the start of the over processing of food, not to mention the start of the greatest scientific scam in history that misled the world into eating foods that caused the exact problems they were meant to avoid ( the seven countries study was the catalyst)
paedophilia was a subject never mentioned and it flourished amongst Christian organisations and covered up or ignored by authorities, so perpetrators never even faced the legal system.
after visiting an out house you needed all the fresh air you could get, but if you lived anywhere near industrial areas it wasn't that fresh due to lack of controls on what could be pumped into the environment.
Aboriginal people were still regarded as fauna, not people.
Our government thought it was Ok to expose it's people to nuclear radiation to see what happened.
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you can turn your phone off How many people turn their phone off - most idiots are addicted to the stupid things , let alone those who risk losing their jobs if not contactable....
if you used the term "exploit workers" in the 50s you'd be labelled a commie and gang bashed by Ruanaidh types
Yeah, despite Menzies referendum to ban the Communist Party, which was soundly defeated, it wasn't quite that bad - we weren't the USA, the only opposition party was still run by unions and considering of the developed world, only South Koreans work longer for less than us and there's far less job security and greater unemployment , how far have we really come? Seems to me it's been one step forward two steps back.
the world saw just as many conflicts when the yanks and ruskies were sabre rattling There's always been conventional wars and always will be but bar the week long Cuban Missile Crisis-which was in the 60's - there was never really going to be a nuclear war - and we didn't have rogue states with nuclear weapons or a genuine possibilty of them falling into the hands of fanatical terrorist groups. More people probably genuinely feared a nuclear war though so you do have half a point.
The 50s was the start of the over processing of food, not to mention the start of the greatest scientific scam in history that misled the world into eating foods that caused the exact problems they were meant to avoid ( the seven countries study was the catalyst) True but it was only the start of things and wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.... we were still behind the states with things like fast food, frozen food & TV dinners
paedophilia was a subject never mentioned and it flourished amongst Christian organisations and covered up or ignored by authorities, so perpetrators never even faced the legal system. Fair point, it was also harder to get rape convictiobs too, though I'm not sure murderers were getting lenient sentences and to use the old cliche - people did leave their doors open, though maybe they were just blisfully ignorant..but that wold also pertain to perceived happiness which in turn relates to standard of living.
after visiting an out house you needed all the fresh air you could get, but if you lived anywhere near industrial areas it wasn't that fresh due to lack of controls on what could be pumped into the environment. No doubt outhouses stunk, not sure the walk to it at least was such an ordeal though....and are you sure pollution levels have improved? We have roughly twice the population and even more motor vehicles now....plus we keep getting told the environment's at critical levels.
Aboriginal people were still regarded as fauna, not people.Yeah that sucked for that 1-2% of the population, though many of them still seem just as unhappy, angry and disillusioned with the country now as they've ever been .
Our government thought it was Ok to expose it's people to nuclear radiation to see what happened. On military personnel mainly and perhaps a few associated civilians, not sure they did it to the general populace but I could be wrong.
People only knew what they knew and it was still -for most Australians- the highest standard of living the world had ever seen up until that point in history -(you might say that's naturally true of all eras but improvements in living standards haven't always been linear and certainly not as sudden & rapid as they were post-war). Are Australians in general any happier, more content or unified now then they were back then?
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Maybe its the millenials that are skewing the happiness average of the country.
Given everything and aporeciate nothing.
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Maybe its the millenials that are skewing the happiness average of the country.
Given everything and aporeciate nothing.
And yet there is a ray of hope. The next generation of voters are tipped to be the most conservative for over 50 years. BTW when the right talks about days gone by being 'greater' than now of course they aren't referring to technology or the acceptance of aberrant social behaviour that is always insinuated by the left no matter the time period. They refer to personal freedoms, less statism and nil identity politics. They also refer to the eminency of Western Culture.....an indisputable fact!
The left, and in that collective I throw the ALP and the weak bastards who installed 'Trunbull' (lol), is dead. Patriotism and unfettered Capitalism (they way Adam Smith envisaged it) is the new black. The internet(particularly early doors) is an example of what happens when individual access and rights are not constrained by the majority. Viva Farage! Viva Trump! Viva Le Pen! and then Viva Bernadi! - who will form a coalition with Hanson (vomits in mouth) when pragmatism is required. I can see a river of leftist tears on the horizon and I for one will bathe in it.......
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Identy politics should be confined to oneself.
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Maybe its the millenials that are skewing the happiness average of the country.
Given everything and aporeciate nothing.
And yet there is a ray of hope. The next generation of voters are tipped to be the most conservative for over 50 years. BTW when the right talks about days gone by being 'greater' than now of course they aren't referring to technology or the acceptance of aberrant social behaviour that is always insinuated by the left no matter the time period. They refer to personal freedoms, less statism and nil identity politics. They also refer to the eminency of Western Culture.....an indisputable fact!
The left, and in that collective I throw the ALP and the weak bastards who installed 'Trunbull' (lol), is dead. Patriotism and unfettered Capitalism (they way Adam Smith envisaged it) is the new black. The internet(particularly early doors) is an example of what happens when individual access and rights are not constrained by the majority. Viva Farage! Viva Trump! Viva Le Pen! and then Viva Bernadi! - who will form a coalition with Hanson (vomits in mouth) when pragmatism is required. I can see a river of leftist tears on the horizon and I for one will bathe in it.......
Unfettered capitalism hey? Be careful what you wish for. Even less competition with banks, and oil companies and the media with even greater profits.
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lol
welcome to the mad prepper's tea party
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Latest Newspoll has Turnbull government now trailing 45-55. No wonder Abbott is publicly trying again to get his old job back.
As for the speaker and deputy speaker in Victoria :facepalm. The whole pollie and their "entitlements" process is beyond a joke now. They can claim for all sorts of ridiculous things in the first place and secondly it's so easy to abuse by MPs of all sides.
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Let's hope it's the final nail in the coffin for dan. Bloke is a disgrace and the public are starting to see it.
Not talking about Shaw type 4K spending these are big dollars these MPs have abused.
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Latest Newspoll has Turnbull government now trailing 45-55. No wonder Abbott is publicly trying again to get his old job back.
As for the speaker and deputy speaker in Victoria :facepalm. The whole pollie and their "entitlements" process is beyond a joke now. They can claim for all sorts of ridiculous things in the first place and secondly it's so easy to abuse by MPs of all sides.
yep absolute joke - like the previous treasurer claiming rent for living in his wife's home
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Typical of the leadership of a collectivist cadre. Both parties are riddled with corruption and cronyism.
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16% fall in the Liberal vote in WA :o. There will be massive pressure on Turnbull now if there wasn't already with the Libs fracturing.
Best news is One Nation has been a total flop (<5%) :lol. Interestingly, the WA Nats vote held up. The Libs hopping into bed with Hanson and her far-right conspiracy theory nutjobs obviously did them a favour.
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16% fall in the Liberal vote in WA :o . There will be massive pressure on Turnbull now if there wasn't already with the Libs fracturing.
Best news is One Nation has been a total flop (<5%) :lol . Interestingly, the WA Nats vote held up. The Libs hopping into bed with Hanson and her far-right conspiracy theory nutjobs obviously did them a favour.
I think Turnbull is safe.
If the Libs get rid of him he will quit parliament.
This would cause a double dissolution and a wipe out for the Libs.
:cheers
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16% fall in the Liberal vote in WA :o . There will be massive pressure on Turnbull now if there wasn't already with the Libs fracturing.
Best news is One Nation has been a total flop (<5%) :lol . Interestingly, the WA Nats vote held up. The Libs hopping into bed with Hanson and her far-right conspiracy theory nutjobs obviously did them a favour.
I think Turnbull is safe.
If the Libs get rid of him he will quit parliament.
This would cause a double dissolution and a wipe out for the Libs.
:cheers
Turnbull quitting parliament would cause a by-election in his safe Liberal seat. A double dissolution is when the Senate rejects a government bill twice and the government uses it to call an election to clean the slate of both houses and hold a joint seating afterwards to try again to pass the bill. Turnbull tried the latter at last year's election but it backfired.
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16% fall in the Liberal vote in WA :o . There will be massive pressure on Turnbull now if there wasn't already with the Libs fracturing.
Best news is One Nation has been a total flop (<5%) :lol . Interestingly, the WA Nats vote held up. The Libs hopping into bed with Hanson and her far-right conspiracy theory nutjobs obviously did them a favour.
I think Turnbull is safe.
If the Libs get rid of him he will quit parliament.
This would cause a double dissolution and a wipe out for the Libs.
:cheers
Turnbull quitting parliament would cause a by-election in his safe Liberal seat. A double dissolution is when the Senate rejects a government bill twice and the government uses it to call an election to clean the slate of both houses and hold a joint seating afterwards to try again to pass the bill. Turnbull tried the latter at last year's election but it backfired.
Labor only needs a swing of 18%.
and yes you are quite correct re a double dissolution.
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Labor only needs a swing of 18%.
If Vacluse (Sydney's version of Toorak) ever voted Labor then the Libs might as well close up shop :yep.
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It seems Trump's circus has done European mainstream parties and the EU itself a favour.
European leaders have welcomed the result of the Netherlands election, which saw the anti-immigration party of Geert Wilders fail to become the largest in parliament.
Prime Minister Mark Rutte's centre-right VVD won by some margin.
The Netherlands was seen by many as a bellwether for how populist parties will perform in those polls.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39297355
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Interesting Poll results, a 10 point lead to Labor and voters are thinking the Govt is more inclined than they were last June to characterise the government as being “too close to the big corporate and financial interests”, “out of touch with ordinary people” and “will promise to do anything to win votes”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/21/labor-stretches-to-10-point-lead-over-coalition-guardian-essential-poll-finds
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Said all along Tony's aim is to bring Turnbull down even if it costs the Libs government.
Tony Abbott told his 'somewhat destructive' interventions will help Shorten be next PM
Katharine Murphy Political editor
Friday 21 April 2017 10.56 AEST Last modified on Friday 21 April 2017 10.58 AEST
Finance minister Matthias Cormann says he engaged in ‘very direct’ conversation with Abbott about working as a team
Mathias Cormann has again urged Tony Abbott to pull his head in, arguing his regular public interventions will help Bill Shorten become the next prime minister.
The finance minister confirmed he engaged in a “very direct” conversation with Abbott about the desirability of working as a team, and he observed that the former prime minister’s “somewhat destructive” interventions made it hard for members of the government to defend his policy legacy.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/21/tony-abbott-told-his-somewhat-destructive-interventions-will-help-shorten-be-next-pm
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Great to see Le Pen make it through to the 2nd round of voting in France. Whatever happens from now on the FN is a force in French Politics going forward.
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Great to see Le Pen make it through to the 2nd round of voting in France. Whatever happens from now on the FN is a force in French Politics going forward.
Disagree. She's scum like her father before her.
Macron is a far better option.
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Great to see Le Pen make it through to the 2nd round of voting in France. Whatever happens from now on the FN is a force in French Politics going forward.
Disagree. She's scum like her father before her.
Macron is a far better option.
Thank god for my lifelong inate ability to withstand zombie mind control. There are victims all around me.
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People disagree with you and insults and put downs always follow.
Wish I knew everything about everything like you do.
Oh how it would be to be correct 100% of the time like you are.
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People disagree with you and insults and put downs always follow.
Wish I knew everything about everything like you do.
Oh how it would be to be correct 100% of the time like you are.
My comment could just as easily been construed as sympathetic and educational in nature?? It depends on your mindset Damo.
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People disagree with you and insults and put downs always follow.
Wish I knew everything about everything like you do.
Oh how it would be to be correct 100% of the time like you are.
My comment could just as easily been construed as sympathetic and educational in nature?? It depends on your mindset Damo.
Lol
So I disagree with you and I need to be educated and receive sympathy
You are suffering from a narcissistic personality disorder
All the best
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People disagree with you and insults and put downs always follow.
Wish I knew everything about everything like you do.
Oh how it would be to be correct 100% of the time like you are.
My comment could just as easily been construed as sympathetic and educational in nature?? It depends on your mindset Damo.
All the best
I'll let you have the last word, that should dispell your assumption..........Or does it?
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Always funny when someone tells you they are going to give you the last word and then proceed to say something
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Always funny when someone tells you they are going to give you the last word and then proceed to say something
???.....don't do irony eh.
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Le Pen closing (in the polls) on the Rothschild controlled Paedophile victim...
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Le Pen closing (in the polls) on the Rothschild controlled Paedophile victim...
Depends where you read.
He won the debate and will win the presidency
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And win easily.
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And win easily.
Yep
Thank goodness
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Macron's just another neo-con polesmoker who'll only help expediate France's national suicide...might as well vote for a dopey leftist...
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Domination
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Destruction, more like it.....France has fallen! ...or has it? Unlike the pussy backlash to Trump's win by assorted SJW's....When the Left and Islamists demand payment for their support and the Rothschild (Werner) sock puppet caves, you will see what happens when when real men get angry.... When the dust settles the Nationalists will see this day as the day they began to turn the tide of Collectivism.
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Just another zionist shill. But congratulations to him and his mum.
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Destruction, more like it.....France has fallen! ...or has it? Unlike the pussy backlash to Trump's win by assorted SJW's....When the Left and Islamists demand payment for their support and the Rothschild (Werner) sock puppet caves, you will see what happens when when real men get angry.... When the dust settles the Nationalists will see this day as the day they began to turn the tide of Collectivism.
Well said, just wished I knew what the hell you are talking about.
:cheers
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Just another zionist shill. But congratulations to him and his grandmother.
EFA
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Destruction, more like it.....France has fallen! ...or has it? Unlike the pussy backlash to Trump's win by assorted SJW's....When the Left and Islamists demand payment for their support and the Rothschild (Werner) sock puppet caves, you will see what happens when when real men get angry.... When the dust settles the Nationalists will see this day as the day they began to turn the tide of Collectivism.
Well said, just wished I knew what the hell you are talking about.
:cheers
Why thank you :thumbsup.... as for your confusion, just pull up a chair and watch the cinematic and inevitable political ramifications play out ;)
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Just another zionist shill. But congratulations to him and his grandmother.
EFA
:lol Emmanuel "there is no such thing as French culture" Macaron, forever the cream between two crusty biscuits.
How terrible of France to go with the rich, inexperienced white man, I expect there to be rioting in the streets. #imwithher
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Just another zionist shill. But congratulations to him and his grandmother.
EFA
He is one sick stuff
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Destruction, more like it.....France has fallen! ...or has it? Unlike the pussy backlash to Trump's win by assorted SJW's....When the Left and Islamists demand payment for their support and the Rothschild (Werner) sock puppet caves, you will see what happens when when real men get angry.... When the dust settles the Nationalists will see this day as the day they began to turn the tide of Collectivism.
Well said, just wished I knew what the hell you are talking about.
:cheers
Why thank you :thumbsup.... as for your confusion, just pull up a chair and watch the cinematic and inevitable political ramifications play out ;)
Predictions please.
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Destruction, more like it.....France has fallen! ...or has it? Unlike the pussy backlash to Trump's win by assorted SJW's....When the Left and Islamists demand payment for their support and the Rothschild (Werner) sock puppet caves, you will see what happens when when real men get angry.... When the dust settles the Nationalists will see this day as the day they began to turn the tide of Collectivism.
Well said, just wished I knew what the hell you are talking about.
:cheers
Why thank you :thumbsup.... as for your confusion, just pull up a chair and watch the cinematic and inevitable political ramifications play out ;)
Predictions please.
Increase in migration and 'no go zones'....Further Islamists attacks and acquiescence in the name of 'tolerance'. Consequential rise is support for Le Pen and the instigation of militias for self and community protection. The inevitable battle on many fronts as this clash of ideologies intensifies....France will also see austerity style measures originating from tanking tourism receipts and resultant taxation imposts.
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You seem to think you know everything about everything
Just sayin
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You seem to think you know everything about everything
Just sayin
Au Contraire!....(sticking with the French theme). There are cyclical, societal road maps throughout recorded history. As Pink Floyd once stated: "we have been down this road many times before". All I do is learn from history and restate lessons as I see it. Your welcome to posit alternative views... I only get uppity when ad hominems are caste. As you have noticed I then reply in kind.
Damo, have you studied the fall of the Roman Empire? There are parallels with Europe today which are striking. Apart from the fact that rather than being supplanted by the wonderfully creative and cultured Visigoths we are under attack from a genetically and spiritually inferior culture.
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Not sure the Roman Empire willingly invited the Visigoths to come and live amongst them either....
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I watched Spartacus on Netflix and by all that is holy in the empire it would have been good to be a Roman of note back in those times
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You should watch Caligula Chucky.....
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is it on netflix?
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Not likely Chucky....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula_(film)
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Thanks, the support cast has piqued my interest, i will give it a go
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Not sure the Roman Empire willingly invited the Visigoths to come and live amongst them either....
Yes they did. There were Visigoth (and other) enclaves and representatives in the military, administration and Politics. Once made citizens, migrant populations also had access to the Roman equivalent of welfare - guaranteed grain allocations. Which coincidently caused massive grief to producers who gave up their grain as a tax, some even allowing their lands to become fallow. Sound familiar? Add to that the emasculation of Roman men who were increasingly effete when compared to the newcomers....as they say in the classics - the rest is history.
When the external Visigoth armies attacked, the 5th column activated across many fronts.
The things I do for you blokes. Just scoured the interweb for a synopsis:
https://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320hist&civ/chapters/08ROMFAL.htm
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Yes there were some striking similarities but note I said "willingly invited"....Valens was hardly the Roman Merkel and there was certainly no virtue signalling, guilt or self-hatred motivating things ......it's far more likely though, that there were some motivations that these days we'd assosciate more with neo-cons & capitalists than leftists.....:shh
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Destruction, more like it.....France has fallen! ...or has it? Unlike the pussy backlash to Trump's win by assorted SJW's....When the Left and Islamists demand payment for their support and the Rothschild (Werner) sock puppet caves, you will see what happens when when real men get angry.... When the dust settles the Nationalists will see this day as the day they began to turn the tide of Collectivism.
Well said, just wished I knew what the hell you are talking about.
:cheers
Why thank you :thumbsup.... as for your confusion, just pull up a chair and watch the cinematic and inevitable political ramifications play out ;)
Predictions please.
Increase in migration and 'no go zones'....Further Islamists attacks and acquiescence in the name of 'tolerance'. Consequential rise is support for Le Pen and the instigation of militias for self and community protection. The inevitable battle on many fronts as this clash of ideologies intensifies....France will also see austerity style measures originating from tanking tourism receipts and resultant taxation imposts.
Apologies for the delayed response. Id argue the first two-three lines are pretty much more than 50% probable and already panning out but it could all end up differently in the end. Who knows.
I have one more question Ruandog - Whats your probability for the whole box and dice to occur?
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Destruction, more like it.....France has fallen! ...or has it? Unlike the pussy backlash to Trump's win by assorted SJW's....When the Left and Islamists demand payment for their support and the Rothschild (Werner) sock puppet caves, you will see what happens when when real men get angry.... When the dust settles the Nationalists will see this day as the day they began to turn the tide of Collectivism.
Well said, just wished I knew what the hell you are talking about.
:cheers
Why thank you :thumbsup.... as for your confusion, just pull up a chair and watch the cinematic and inevitable political ramifications play out ;)
Predictions please.
Increase in migration and 'no go zones'....Further Islamists attacks and acquiescence in the name of 'tolerance'. Consequential rise is support for Le Pen and the instigation of militias for self and community protection. The inevitable battle on many fronts as this clash of ideologies intensifies....France will also see austerity style measures originating from tanking tourism receipts and resultant taxation imposts.
Apologies for the delayed response. Id argue the first two-three lines are pretty much more than 50% probable and already panning out but it could all end up differently in the end. Who knows.
I have one more question Ruandog - Whats your probability for the whole box and dice to occur?
1400 years of this ever increasing (in numbers) death cult suggests 100 percent. I don't have to be 'Nostradamos' to also read current trend lines. 2 choices: surrender or fight. There is no middle ground with this totalitarian ideology.
Maybe the Buddhists and New Age theoreticians were right and this is a 'testing place' where spirits (for want of a better term) incarnate to suffer trevails in order to energise, experience and improve. Now I'm waffling.
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Yes there were some striking similarities but note I said "willingly invited"....Valens was hardly the Roman Merkel and there was certainly no virtue signalling, guilt or self-hatred motivating things ......it's far more likely though, that there were some motivations that these days we'd assosciate more with neo-cons & capitalists than leftists.....:shh
Ah yes....the age old quandary of history - the reading of it :shh
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A Labor Lite budget and what happens...
Ipsos and Newspoll surveys both put Labor on 53% and Coalition on 47%.
The Libs and Turnbull are in trouble both from within and outside party.
How long before a challenge and who it will be.
I'm hoping for Dutton. :lol
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First we had FAKE News
Now we have Fake Refugees says Peter Dutton
What else can we "Fake" :rollin
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Yes because "genuine" refugees often return to their homeland for a holiday... :shh
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:shh
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I have a new favourite world leader
:thumbsup
http://www.theage.com.au/world/emmanuel-macron-outtrumps-donald-trump-in-handshake-duel-before-nato-summit-20170525-gwdh99.html
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Latest Newspoll has Labor leading 53 to 47.
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/newspoll-postbudget-bounce-still-eludes-prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull/news-story/1d8071d7b8f9e529195fb1e3ddea6c1e
If it doesn't improve soon there will be a challenge,
I think we might see the coalition split three ways. A centrist Liberal party, a right wing Conservative party and the Nationals standing alone.
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Latest Poll has the Libs beating Labor 53-47 in Victoria, two party preferred:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-voters-would-dump-andrews-government-today-galaxy-poll-shows/news-story/5dabdb7f040142c17e91dab19e1564a1
Could it be that the Greens will unshackle their support unless Andrews is deposed? I see the Greens utopian fantasies driving themselves further into the realm of Political Insanity until they actually believe they are relevant. Labor, the Party that sold-out its base to Globalism and Cultural Marxism will desiccate on the lost cause,Green poisoned, political umbilical cord.
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2 more 'Special Election' wins for the Republicans overnight. That makes it 4 - 0 since Trump's win... The left is a cadaver walking in the US and soon it will be here.
Just listened to Karen Handel's (Georgia) acceptance speech - what humility and class. Polar opposite to the 'screaming banshees' on the left.
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A coalition split is coming.
A centrist Liberal Party, a right wing Conservative party and the nutcase Nationals.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/malcolm-turnbull-to-chide-abbott-right-wing-rebels-during-major-speech-in-london/news-story/c1dfefd09cd714792cf75d3ac7623ab8 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/malcolm-turnbull-to-chide-abbott-right-wing-rebels-during-major-speech-in-london/news-story/c1dfefd09cd714792cf75d3ac7623ab8)
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Federal Labor has extended its lead over the Turnbull government, and the prime minister’s disapproval rating is up four points in a month, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/essential-poll).
The new opinion survey of 1,826 voters has Labor ahead of the Coalition (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/coalition) on the two-party preferred measure, 54% to 46%.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/11/essential-poll-labor-lead-widens-amid-coalitions-internal-divisions (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/11/essential-poll-labor-lead-widens-amid-coalitions-internal-divisions)
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A coalition split is coming.
A centrist Liberal Party, a right wing Conservative party and the nutcase Nationals.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/malcolm-turnbull-to-chide-abbott-right-wing-rebels-during-major-speech-in-london/news-story/c1dfefd09cd714792cf75d3ac7623ab8 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/malcolm-turnbull-to-chide-abbott-right-wing-rebels-during-major-speech-in-london/news-story/c1dfefd09cd714792cf75d3ac7623ab8)
Interesting times. Might be some substance to this.
For mine a rookie move by Turnbull trying to define for everyone what the party is and isnt. Opens up division in this climate.
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A coalition split is coming.
A centrist Liberal Party, a right wing Conservative party and the nutcase Nationals.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/malcolm-turnbull-to-chide-abbott-right-wing-rebels-during-major-speech-in-london/news-story/c1dfefd09cd714792cf75d3ac7623ab8 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/malcolm-turnbull-to-chide-abbott-right-wing-rebels-during-major-speech-in-london/news-story/c1dfefd09cd714792cf75d3ac7623ab8)
Interesting times. Might be some substance to this.
For mine a rookie move by Turnbull trying to define for everyone what the party is and isnt. Opens up division in this climate.
Very interesting. IMO the Australian political climate desperately needs a centralist party and push the other two further left and right. That way we could really vote for policies we believe in, give Governments stronger mandates on hard left/right policies etc.
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Coalition split is looming
Could marriage showdown bring down Malcolm Turnbull's government?
Mark Kenny
The stakes in the looming same-sex marriage showdown within the governing parties may be higher than you think. Serious enough to raise confidence issues and cataclysmic enough therefore, to see the rebels back off.
And it gets worse. As recriminations fly, hardline conservatives are threatening to quit the Liberal Party and render Malcolm Turnbull a minority Prime Minister if marriage equality somehow comes to a vote.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/could-marriage-showdown-bring-down-malcolm-turnbulls-government-20170802-gxnkix.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/could-marriage-showdown-bring-down-malcolm-turnbulls-government-20170802-gxnkix.html)
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Where are all the Abott lovers
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I don't understand why Turnbull just doesn't walk away.
:cheers
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I don't understand why Turnbull just doesn't walk away.
:cheers
He understands that he can't abondon us to that backstabbing unionist gnome
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Abbott is chanelling Bob Hawke.
Tony Abbott admits he was drunk in Parliament and missed crucial GFC bailout vote
FORMER Prime Minister Tony Abbott has finally confessed that he was passed out, drunk, on the night he should have voted on Kevin Rudd’s GFC bailout measures in 2009.Mr Abbott, who was the leader of the opposition at that time, has shared his story on The House With Annabel Crabb, in an episode set to air on September 5.
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tony-abbott-admits-he-was-drunk-in-parliament-and-missed-crucial-gfc-bailout-vote/news-story/a74eff97b2b2079bd1e39f5b7635a94a
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(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/c1f29e95250e4882f09b9edb75659af7)
Looking forward to "Abbott's Ale".....brewed by trappist monks of course.... :shh
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The Turnbull government's incompetency on display again this week ::) :facepalm.
The fast pace of the troubled NBN rollout is leading to compromise — around one-fifth of customers are being connected with older technology such as copper phone wire and pay television cables.
With a fibre to the node connection, the final link to the house is with copper wire stretching from a green box in the street. The longer the length of copper, the slower the available internet speeds.
Cheryl Vance and Joel Styles made Yonder: The Cloud Catcher Chronicles, a fantasy adventure game for children, in their home. But this Brisbane couple say the botched rollout of the National Broadband Network means they are in a farcical situation where it is quicker for them to drive and deliver online documents by hand rather than send them via the NBN.
And NBN chief Bill Morrow’s message is blunt — if people want faster connections, they will have to pay for it themselves.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbn-rollout/news-story/0d0caadd6da2e38546fcdc18b9eaadfa
EMPLOYMENT Minister Michaelia Cash has admitted one of her staff tipped off the media about the Australian Workers’ Union raids in Melbourne and Sydney.
Earlier today, Cash repeatedly denied that her office had informed journalists of the raid before it was carried out, telling Senate estimates she was not aware of Tuesday’s raid until she saw it unfold on television.
But she denied she misled the Senate.
She brushed off questions about whether she would refer the staffer to police.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/michaelia-cash-admits-staffer-gave-media-tipoff-about-awu-raids/news-story/1b4255e05c37bc18294bfe5beb47e064
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Yep all happening at the moment.
:cheers
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The Turnbull Federal LNP government has lost its one-seat majority thanks to Barnaby Joyce being disqualified from parliament by the High Court for being a NZ citizen.
Also disqualified are 4 senators (2 Green, 1 National & 1 One Nation).
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The High Court has handed down its verdict on the seven politicians embroiled in the dual citizenship saga.
Five politicians including the former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce have been disqualified from sitting in parliament, following a High Court decision.
Mr Joyce will now face a by-election in his seat of New England on December 2.
Also disqualified was cabinet minister Fiona Nash, former Greens senators Scott Ludlam and Larissa Waters, and One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts.
Former cabinet minister Matt Canavan and crossbencher Nick Xenophon were found not to be ineligible.
Section 44 of Australia's constitution bans anyone holding dual citizenship from sitting in parliament, in a section aimed at ensuring MPs do not hold split allegiances.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/10/27/high-court-decides-only-two-citizenship-seven-safe
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If it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious
:snidegrin
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The best news is that One Nation conspiracy theory nutter who only got in with 77 votes has been thrown out of the Senate :clapping.
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Another Senator caught in the dual-citizen saga:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/senate-president-stephen-parry-a-dual-citizen/news-story/51f9bbdf813dd9dcd8440a45e8759d4c
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And another one...
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/josh-frydenberg-caught-between-monstrous-history-and-an-uncertain-fate-20171103-gzef2d.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/josh-frydenberg-caught-between-monstrous-history-and-an-uncertain-fate-20171103-gzef2d.html)
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Trying to get out of it by playing the holocaust card.....haha what a wanker.....
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So much for all of the BS re not having an audit.
:lol
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/major-parties-conducting-internal-audits-of-every-mp-as-greens-reveal-new-audit-proposal-20171103-gzesiy.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/major-parties-conducting-internal-audits-of-every-mp-as-greens-reveal-new-audit-proposal-20171103-gzesiy.html)
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You don't think they aren't doing their own internal work to work out where they are at
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And this saga is still going on and catching out more pollies ::) ....
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/citizenship-crisis-turnbull-government-mp-john-alexander-may-be-a-dual-citizen-20171106-gzflz6.html
Bennelong is a marginal seat too if Alexander is found to be a dual-citizen and there needs to be a by-election.
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Pauline Hanson says she will check with the Home Office as to whether she is eligible for British citizenship.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/11/08/hanson-check-british-home-office-about-possible-dual-citizenship
Oh please be true :pray :lol. She did say she was heading off to the UK in 2010 because she didn't like living in Australia anymore ::).
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3 of the 4 Senate replacements have been approved:
Former Australian Democrats leader Andrew Bartlett will return to the upper house to replace Larissa Waters as Greens senator for Queensland.
Business consultant Fraser Anning will step into the Queensland One Nation seat vacated by Malcolm Roberts.
And 23-year-old student Jordon Steele-John will replace Scott Ludlam as Greens senator for Western Australia.
The High Court has refused to confirm NSW Liberal Hollie Hughes as the replacement for ousted National senator Fiona Nash over concerns she might also be ineligible to sit in parliament.
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/citizenship-fiasco-labor-mp-justine-keay-admits-delaying-british-citizenship-renunciation/news-story/0405631d6e0aec747a3cf5f663f714a8
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The whole thing is an utter mess.
Time for the GG to take over and declare another election.
:thumbsup
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Yes! God Save The Queen! :clapping
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Here comes another by-election but this time in a marginal seat ....
Federal Government backbencher John Alexander has resigned from Parliament, as Canberra's dual-citizenship crisis deepens.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-11/john-alexander-to-resign-amid-dual-citizenship-concerns/9138814
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This citizenship debacle is hurting Turnbull big time:
Newspoll now has the Federal government at 45-55. That would equate to a landslide defeat at an election.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/labor-widens-lead-over-coalition-in-horror-newspoll-slump/news-story/d11e6986fbd0701e8803477ad37d18be
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Fraser Anning has quit One Nation less than one hour after being sworn in as a senator.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-nation-down-a-senator-after-fraser-anning-quits-an-hour-after-being-sworn-in-20171113-gzk1ck.html
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SSM survey results to be released at 10am today.
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AUSTRALIA has voted yes to same-sex marriage.
An overwhelming 61.6 per cent of eligible Aussies - or more than seven million people - have voted Yes in the postal survey.
Speaking shortly after the announcement of the vote results, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said it was incumbent on the parliament to legislate the change “before Christmas”.
Opponents of gay marriage have had differing responses to the result, with Tony Abbott calling for the postal survey result to be “respected”, but Kevin Andrews indicating he will continue to oppose any measure to legalise gay marriage.
More than 12.7 million people - 79.5 per cent of eligible voters - had their say in the voluntary postal survey.
More than four million or 38.4 per cent of Australians voted No.
Every state and territory voted in favour of the change.
Of the 150 electorates, 133 voted yes, and only 17 electorates voted no.
(https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/6nGqQECVSeqMEYga31KX_vote.jpg)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/australia-decides-on-samesex-marriage-as-postal-survey-results-are-revealed/news-story/786428f801e1dc300895d713048b2b83
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Another ultra conservative joins the Libs in the Senate
tick tick tick…
Government’s dual citizenship crisis continues with the news that Hollie Hughes is ineligible to sit in Senate
Claire Bickers, News Corp Australia Network
LIBERAL Hollie Hughes — who was set to replace ousted dual citizen Fiona Nash in the senate — has also been ruled ineligible to sit in Parliament.
The High Court found today Ms Hughes was ineligible to take up the role under Section 44 of the Constitution because she held an office of profit.
Until October 30, three days after the High Court handed down its finding on the “citizenship seven”, Ms Hughes was a member of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.
Retired army general Jim Molan will replace Ms Hughes as the next Liberal candidate on the ticket at the 2016 election.
Mr Molan received a massive 10,182 primary votes at the election, second only to that of Defence Minister Marise Payne, but was not elected due to his spot on the ticket.
A key Tony Abbott supporter, his swearing in will add to conservative voices within the Coalition party room.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/governments-dual-citizenship-crisis-continues-with-the-news-that-hollie-hughes-is-ineligible-to-sit-in-senate/news-story/327394a75e3ace09db3b9c3b748f89f1 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/governments-dual-citizenship-crisis-continues-with-the-news-that-hollie-hughes-is-ineligible-to-sit-in-senate/news-story/327394a75e3ace09db3b9c3b748f89f1)
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As if the NSW split was only 57 -43??
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As if the NSW split was only 57 -43??
The survey went along cultural/religious lines rather than traditional political party lines.
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Muslim community almost unanimously voted no. #diversityisourstrength :clapping
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Muslim community almost unanimously voted no. #diversityisourstrength :clapping
Not that clear cut within the Australian Muslim community. Wills (Melb. outer northern suburbs) voted overwhelming 'yes' (70%) with a Muslim population of 16%. Next door in Caldwell (outer north-western suburbs) with similar Islamic population numbers voted 'no'.
Antony Green yesterday said the higher 'no' vote electorates correlate with higher non-English speaking migrant populations of all persuasions who are more likely to be religious and socially conservative. Not just Islamic but also Catholic, evangelical and Orthodox Christians, Asian (Chinese & Indian) & African communities. South-Western Sydney has a significant Muslim population but North-Western Sydney is the so-called Bible belt of Australia (i.e Hillsong in Greenway) and they voted no as well. The 'No' camp also targeted these migrant communities with their scaremongering campaigning ::).
The result yesterday shows once again that Australia is becoming more and more secular/non-religious over time which is a good thing. The kids, grandkids, etc of these migrants will too in time thanks to our diversity and openness.
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Yes and then we'll all join hands and sing "We are the world..."
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Another pollie off to the High Court.
The Greens are seeking fresh legal advice about the eligibility of their newly installed Senator Andrew Bartlett.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-16/greens-senator-andrew-bartlett-faces-questions-over-eligibility/9155838
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A Coalition MP says he will quit the Turnbull Government next month, plunging it into minority government. The MP said tonight he will stay only if Malcolm Turnbull is replaced as Prime Minister by a leader who can appeal to conservative voters.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/coalition-mp-turnbull-must-be-sacked-or-ill-quit/news-story/fb2970ec7fad76e6a4aa57c8c9ac4c3a
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A Coalition MP says he will quit the Turnbull Government next month, plunging it into minority government. The MP said tonight he will stay only if Malcolm Turnbull is replaced as Prime Minister by a leader who can appeal to conservative voters.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/coalition-mp-turnbull-must-be-sacked-or-ill-quit/news-story/fb2970ec7fad76e6a4aa57c8c9ac4c3a
So Mr Abbott's number 1 fan, Andrew Bolt doesn't name this mystery MP?
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A Coalition MP says he will quit the Turnbull Government next month, plunging it into minority government. The MP said tonight he will stay only if Malcolm Turnbull is replaced as Prime Minister by a leader who can appeal to conservative voters.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/coalition-mp-turnbull-must-be-sacked-or-ill-quit/news-story/fb2970ec7fad76e6a4aa57c8c9ac4c3a
So Mr Abbott's number 1 fan, Andrew Bolt doesn't name this mystery MP?
No doubt Bolt isn't a reliable source when it comes to facts [understatement] but he was claiming last night he isn't naming this MP because the MP may bail out of quitting if named.
It's a bit hard to bail out of something like this in politics if you're named :huh3.
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Another one gone as a dual-citizen ...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-22/sky-kakoschke-moore-reveals-dual-citizenship-concerns/9179502
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So much for the One Nation loonies holding the balance of power in Queensland. They've now thankfully flopped in both Qld & WA state elections.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/same-sex-marriage-bill-passes-house-of-representatives/9235560
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Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.
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Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.
:clapping
And no surprise to see certain pollies not even bothering to show up in chamber to vote
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Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.
:clapping
And no surprise to see certain pollies not even bothering to show up in chamber to vote
Conveniently, they abstained to avoid any official record being kept of who voted for what. Not only out of touch with modern Australia but two-faced cowards too ::).
Who abstained from the same-sex marriage vote?
Barnaby Joyce (Nationals)
Tony Abbott (Liberals)
Andrew Hastie (Liberals)
Michael Sukkar (Liberals)
Kevin Andrews (Liberals)
Scott Morrison (Liberals)
George Christensen (LNP)
Rick Wilson (Liberals)
Stuart Robert (Liberals)
What about no votes?
Bob Katter (independent)
Russell Broadbent (Liberal)
Keith Pitt (Nationals)
David Littleproud (Nationals)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/same-sex-marriage-who-didnt-vote/9240584
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Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.
:clapping
And no surprise to see certain pollies not even bothering to show up in chamber to vote
Conveniently, they abstained to avoid any official record being kept of who voted for what. Not only out of touch with modern Australia but two-faced cowards too ::).
Who abstained from the same-sex marriage vote?
Barnaby Joyce (Nationals)
Tony Abbott (Liberals)
Andrew Hastie (Liberals)
Michael Sukkar (Liberals)
Kevin Andrews (Liberals)
Scott Morrison (Liberals)
George Christensen (LNP)
Rick Wilson (Liberals)
Stuart Robert (Liberals)
What about no votes?
Bob Katter (independent)
Russell Broadbent (Liberal)
Keith Pitt (Nationals)
David Littleproud (Nationals)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/same-sex-marriage-who-didnt-vote/9240584
As far as I was aware it was a conscience vote that entitled them to vote or not according to how their conscience told them so.
I think if they all voted yes I would be more concerned as a portion would have done so just so they were on record of the winning side.
I for one am glad it went to open public vote as it wasn't the lay down misere being put forward.
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Abbott the religious nut didn’t have the balls to vote no, which he desperately wanted to
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Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.
:clapping
And no surprise to see certain pollies not even bothering to show up in chamber to vote
Conveniently, they abstained to avoid any official record being kept of who voted for what. Not only out of touch with modern Australia but two-faced cowards too ::).
Who abstained from the same-sex marriage vote?
Barnaby Joyce (Nationals)
Tony Abbott (Liberals)
Andrew Hastie (Liberals)
Michael Sukkar (Liberals)
Kevin Andrews (Liberals)
Scott Morrison (Liberals)
George Christensen (LNP)
Rick Wilson (Liberals)
Stuart Robert (Liberals)
What about no votes?
Bob Katter (independent)
Russell Broadbent (Liberal)
Keith Pitt (Nationals)
David Littleproud (Nationals)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/same-sex-marriage-who-didnt-vote/9240584
As far as I was aware it was a conscience vote that entitled them to vote or not according to how their conscience told them so.
I think if they all voted yes I would be more concerned as a portion would have done so just so they were on record of the winning side.
I for one am glad it went to open public vote as it wasn't the lay down misere being put forward.
Except they didn't vote with their conscience based on their public rhetoric previously. Instead they chickened out by abstaining because it was more politically convenient to do so. They didn't want themselves recorded as being so out of sync with the electorate.
There are times when a open public vote is necessary. For example, a referendum on constitutional change which is required by law or an issue that polling says could go either way. However, SSM wasn't one of these as public polling over a long period of time showed strong support in favour of it (60%+ for and barely half of that against). It wasn't as though it was 50/50 within polling error margins (eg: 53-47). The whole point of polling is to sample the population to determine the overall public's view. When there's clear 60%+ support for something, you don't go and waste $122m to prove the polling is correct.
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I don't pay any attention to polls, seems the only thing they do is replace the prime ministers we vote in
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I don't pay any attention to polls, seems the only thing they do is replace the prime ministers we vote in
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I don't think we've seen an era where so many pollies have kicked own goals for their side :facepalm.
Surely, Barnaby has to go. In fact, if he was thinking about his ex-wife and kids, he would do so a.s.a.p. to get this affair and the fallout from it out of the public arena. They are the victims here.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-10/prime-ministers-office-intervened-in-barnaby-joyce-affair/9418692
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Dead man walking.
But who is going to replace him.
:thumbsdown
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Dead man walking.
But who is going to replace him.
:thumbsdown
Somebody who loves shotguns?
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Dead man walking.
But who is going to replace him.
:thumbsdown
Depends if he quits to the backbench or if he quits parliament entirely and forces yet another bi-election in his seat of New England.
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Dead man walking.
But who is going to replace him.
:thumbsdown
Barnaby will be acting PM next week :gobdrop.
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This article says it all.
Barnaby is gone, it is just a matter of when.
And Turnbull might follow as well.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-hypocrisy-of-barnaby-joyce-is-stunning-20180212-p4z03k.html
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Grow up
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Some people never quite grow out of their uni days....:shh
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Looking forward to next weeks Newspoll results.
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A coalition split is coming.
A centrist Liberal Party, a right wing Conservative party and the nutcase Nationals.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/malcolm-turnbull-to-chide-abbott-right-wing-rebels-during-major-speech-in-london/news-story/c1dfefd09cd714792cf75d3ac7623ab8 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/malcolm-turnbull-to-chide-abbott-right-wing-rebels-during-major-speech-in-london/news-story/c1dfefd09cd714792cf75d3ac7623ab8)
It's coming.
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Is it mate????????????????????????
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Open warfare between now Barnaby and Turnbull. One has to go and it should be the former.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-16/barnaby-joyce-says-malcolm-turnbull-comments-hurtful/9443190
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Open warfare between now Barnaby and Turnbull. One has to go and it should be the former.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-16/barnaby-joyce-says-malcolm-turnbull-comments-hurtful/9443190 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-16/barnaby-joyce-says-malcolm-turnbull-comments-hurtful/9443190)
Barnaby has just walked the plank.
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But will he take the Turnbull down with him?
That's the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Will Abbott be caught in the collateral damage?
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Will Abbott be caught in the collateral damage?
Or will he be the beneficiary?
That's the question!
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Will Abbott be caught in the collateral damage?
Or will he be the beneficiary?
That's the question!
Barnaby was an ally of Turnbull before the scandal. Has that now changed? As we've seen before dumped party leaders sitting on the backbench are a problem for sitting PMs.
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Barnaby was an ally of Turnbull before the scandal.
Not any more.
Latest Essential poll has Labor in the lead at 53 - 47.
Turnbull is a dead man walking.
We are fast approaching the 30 bad polls in a row.
Expect things to explode.
:lol
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Oooh I'm on tenterhooks........:sleep :sleep :sleep
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Will Abbott be caught in the collateral damage?
Or will he be the beneficiary?
That's the question!
Barnaby was an ally of Turnbull before the scandal. Has that now changed? As we've seen before dumped party leaders sitting on the backbench are a problem for sitting PMs.
Turnbull has hung him out to dry. He knew of the relationship during well before Joyce saved the Government in New England.
Barnaby is not happy with Turnbull. This has only helped Abbott and the true conservatives
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Oooh I'm on tenterhooks........:sleep :sleep :sleep
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Joyce unsure if Campion’s baby is his.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/barnaby-joyce-says-there-is-grey-area-over-whether-he-is-father/news-story/fc8c47876f855d45566996fdff70253c
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Abbott: Turnbull must show cause to stay PM after 30 negative Newspolls
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/05/turnbulls-popularity-drops-as-joyce-saga-rolls-on-newspoll-shows
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:shh
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;)
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Interesting article about Turnbull's successor. Talks bout the right wing conservatives in the Liberal party and the middlish moderates amongst the Libs.
Turnbull is a dead man walking.
:cheers
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-had-his-chance-to-be-a-moral-force-now-he-s-just-a-spent-one-20180330-p4z75s.html
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Where are all the Turnbull lovers
:cheers
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'Sunday Night' just proved how sadly we are lacking real journalism these days. All we got tonight was a soft 'questioning' so Barnaby (and Vikki) can try and play the victim :chuck. I feel sorry for his ex-wife and kids who have to go through what Barnaby did in public all over again. Was the $150k paid for your sob story all worth it, eh Barnaby? :nopity
The public's anger had/has nothing to do with the baby or even that there was an affair (as long as it was not on the taxpayers' time).
The questions people wanted asked by Ch7 but weren't:
1) How did Campion gain employment in public positions she lacked the qualifications for under Barnaby's watch?
2) After those on the inside learnt of the affair, how can Barnaby justify (at least one) taxpayer funded position being created for her in another department when it wasn't required?
3) How does Barnaby justify the use of taxpayer funds (i.e. OS trips) on a staffer who became his partner?
4) Barnaby, how do you not see your own two-faced hypocrisy in publicly claiming to be a "social conservative" and preaching "family values" to oppose SSM while privately having an extramarital affair and a child "out of wedlock"?
::)
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Sounds like the easiest 150k he has ever made. Obviously looking to leave public life very shortly & making some $$ on the way out. Pretty smart IMO.
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Isn't that what Judas did? :whistle
Seriously though, money doesn't buy happiness. Tonight's interview was purely and utterly selfish and narcissistic. All about Barnaby and his public image while he throws his (original) family, who stood faithfully beside and behind him for years, under the public bus once again for his 30 pieces of silver. What a low life! ::)
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I don't disagree. I actually didn't mind him as a pollie but have lost a lot of respect for him.
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I don't disagree. I actually didn't mind him as a pollie but have lost a lot of respect for him.
He appeared different to the usual polished pollie but now he's shown his true colours. He ain't going away either as he wants to contest his seat at the next federal election. That will please his colleagues :nope.
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Saw that earlier today and was bloody staggered he's running again next year.
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So, who is going to replace Turnbull?
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So, who is going to replace Turnbull?
Dutters or Abbo are the only 2 who could win an election, so obviously it'll be Bishop or Morrison.
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Sustainable Australia or gtfo.... :shh
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Turnbull's signature policies (the NEG and big business tax cuts) both lie in tatters.
What does he stand for?
Even his "Kill Bill" strategy hasn't worked.
Dead man walking.
:cheers
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Do shut up, 65. :shh
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:lol
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Do shut up, 65. :shh
Nope.
We have to get rid of this idiot of a PM. I'd even prefer Abbott back.
:yep
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If labor only had a decent alternative rather that an union sycophant
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If labor only had a decent alternative rather that an union sycophant
words
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If labor only had a decent alternative rather that a union crook.
e.f.a :shh
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If labor only had a decent alternative rather that a union crook.
e.f.a :shh
And that shows the level of Liberal politics at the moment.
No policies just a negative attack on Shorten.
A tax cut that would have given 12 billion to the Commonwealth bank.
And that's supposed to generate jobs and wages growth.
Ánd the alternative to Turnbull? Abbott (heaven help us) or Dutton (even heaven couldn't help us)
Dead man walking.
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To quote somebody famous?
😁
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Being recently retired I can watch Question Time at 2pm today.
Exciting but as somebody will say WGAF.
:cheers
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Prefer to watch the grass grow. Fresh air, popcorn. What's not to love.
:thumbsup
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Senator Fraser Anning honours White Australia Policy in first speech and calls for 'final solution' on immigration.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senator-honours-white-australia-policy-in-first-speech-and-calls-for-final-solution-on-immigration-20180814-p4zxhr.html
Another new fruitloop in Senate who only got 19 votes ::).
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No idea what he said but immigration should be scaled back massively. Gonna be 50 million of us soon enough :D
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Ermagherd. Literally Hitler.
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...and you know who else were Nazis?
Living Colour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nTuvfHyR-k
:shh
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...and you know who else were Nazis?
Living Colour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nTuvfHyR-k
:shh
Except the phrase in those lyrics has nothing to do with immigration unlike what our 'only 19 votes' fruitloop linked it to in the Senate. You just have to read his twitter page full of the usual paranoid conspiracy theories to see he's an attention seeking nutter.
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You gotta stop with the 'only 19 votes' thing.
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Turnbull's signature policies (the NEG and big business tax cuts) both lie in tatters.
What does he stand for?
Even his "Kill Bill" strategy hasn't worked.
Dead man walking.
:cheers
Psychic or you're Ray Hadley, 65? ;D
CONSERVATIVE MPs have reportedly urged Peter Dutton to seize the leadership from Malcolm Turnbull, amid growing unhappiness with the Prime Minister’s energy policy.
According to The Daily Telegraph, the Home Affairs Minister has been urged to challenge Mr Turnbull using lower immigration levels and cheaper power prices as his platform.
http://dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/conservative-coalition-mps-urging-peter-dutton-to-replace-malcolm-turnbull-within-weeks/news-story/68ea9ee855c6b840ec6557985e4d359e
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You gotta stop with the 'only 19 votes' thing.
He did only get 19 votes. He's only in the Senate because at the election he was under Pauline Hanson's One Nation banner and despite quitting ON he subsequently replaced another disqualified nutjob (Roberts) who himself only got 77 votes. Anning's now under the Katter banner and will be gone as soon as his term is up. In the meantime, he's going to be an attention seeking paranoid nutcase from Qld ::).
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A coalition split is coming.
A centrist Liberal Party, a right wing Conservative party and the nutcase Nationals.
Actually thought this would happen sooner than now.
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You gotta stop with the 'only 19 votes' thing.
He did only get 19 votes. He's only in the Senate because at the election he was under Pauline Hanson's One Nation banner and despite quitting ON he subsequently replaced another disqualified nutjob (Roberts) who himself only got 77 votes. Anning's now under the Katter banner and will be gone as soon as his term is up. In the meantime, he's going to be an attention seeking paranoid nutcase from Qld ::).
Do you think people vote ON because of people like Roberts or because of Pauline?
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Turnbull's signature policies (the NEG and big business tax cuts) both lie in tatters.
What does he stand for?
Even his "Kill Bill" strategy hasn't worked.
Dead man walking.
:cheers
Psychic or you're Ray Hadley, 65? ;D
CONSERVATIVE MPs have reportedly urged Peter Dutton to seize the leadership from Malcolm Turnbull, amid growing unhappiness with the Prime Minister’s energy policy.
According to The Daily Telegraph, the Home Affairs Minister has been urged to challenge Mr Turnbull using lower immigration levels and cheaper power prices as his platform.
http://dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/conservative-coalition-mps-urging-peter-dutton-to-replace-malcolm-turnbull-within-weeks/news-story/68ea9ee855c6b840ec6557985e4d359e
LMAO physic my hairy arse
He is as bad as Claw bagging every Liberal leader because he knows some poo will stick
More biased than the umpires the RFC faces
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Expect Turnbull to be gone by Christmas.
:thumbsup
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Expect Turnbull to be gone by Christmas.
:thumbsup
One poll doesn't make a trend but Turnbull won't last even that long if the next News, Essential & Morgan polls are anything like last night's Ipsos poll which has the Coalition's vote collapsing to 45-55 2PP.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fairfax-ipsos-poll-voter-support-collapses-as-peter-dutton-leans-towards-challenging-malcolm-turnbull-20180819-p4zye9.html
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Expect Turnbull to be gone by Christmas.
:thumbsup
One poll doesn't make a trend but Turnbull won't last even that long if the next News, Essential & Morgan polls are anything like last night's Ipsos poll which has the Coalition's vote collapsing to 45-55 2PP.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fairfax-ipsos-poll-voter-support-collapses-as-peter-dutton-leans-towards-challenging-malcolm-turnbull-20180819-p4zye9.html (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fairfax-ipsos-poll-voter-support-collapses-as-peter-dutton-leans-towards-challenging-malcolm-turnbull-20180819-p4zye9.html)
One poll might not show a trend but 35 in a row certainly does.
:cheers
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https://twitter.com/theage/status/1030729791857672193/photo/1
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Malcolm Turnbull - Dead but not yet buried
Peter Dutton - our next PM? (heaven help us)
Or could there be a third candidate? The Bish? ScMo?
I just hope Christoper Pyne gets the job. That would be entertaining.
:cheers
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Turnbull just holds on 48-35.
Dutton has resigned from the Cabinet.
Turnbull won't survive for long on those numbers.
I'm no Turnbull fan and he only has himself to blame for sacrificing all his principles to be and remain PM, but these paranoid anti-science religious conservative zealots on the backbench lead by Abbott have held Australia back and to ransom for the past decade >:(. It's the DLP all over again except they're now splitting the Libs in two. It shouldn't be a surprise as Abbott's mentor was Bob Santamaria. I hope they get wiped out at the next election that's due within the next 12 months.
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Dutton proved he is likely so many "wannabes" before him
Ego, ego, ego
Going to challenge make sure you have the numbers you idiot
Think as a nation we dodge a bullet with this numpty not having the numbers. Turnbull is a shocker but Dutton is complete moron, on par with Abbott as a fear mongering coward
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Dutton proved he is likely so many "wannabes" before him
Ego, ego, ego
Going to challenge make sure you have the numbers you idiot
Think as a nation we dodge a bullet with this numpty not having the numbers. Turnbull is a shocker but Dutton is complete moron, on par with Abbott as a fear mongering coward
Technically he didn't challenge, Turnbull bought on a spill.
The challenge is yet to come.
And he (Dutton) will win. Just like Rudd, the Libs will want to minimise the damage at the next election. (esp in Queensland)
:cheers
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Yeah WP you don't know what you're on about here. 65 is correct.
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Turnbull needs to take a long term view for the good of the Liberal party.
Call a snap election and accept the loss. This would wipe out the conservative faction and allow the Libs a chance to rebuild.
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Yeah WP you don't know what you're on about here. 65 is correct.
Did he not nominate (eg put his name up) for the leadership when turnbull bought on the spill?
Answer YES, so he challenged for the leadership
He didn't have the numbers and lost the ballot. that was stupid, but he is a moron so it's no surprise
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Libs getting back to its roots with Dutton. Mal is finished and 65 was right
dutton at least stands for something and will do a far better job than Mal WP.
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Yeah WP you don't know what you're on about here. 65 is correct.
Did he not nominate (eg put his name up) for the leadership when turnbull bought on the spill?
Answer YES, so he challenged for the leadership
He didn't have the numbers and lost the ballot. that was stupid, but he is a moron so it's no surprise
He challenged for the leadership and 35 votes was a brilliant result. What even is your point apart from slagging a bloke you clearly hate?
Why is he a moron? He's actually a very good politician.
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He challenged for the leadership and 35 votes was a brilliant result. What even is your point apart from slagging a bloke you clearly hate?
Why is he a moron? He's actually a very good politician.
Hold on you said he didnt challenge which is it?
No he isn't a good pollie. There are very few good politicians in this country these days. Can't remeber when we last had real leader or parties on either side that actually stood for something. All they collective care about is winning and power
Do I hate him? No, i dont respect him and most of the other morons running around calling themselves politicians
He is a racist, fear mongering wannabe moronic coward
He is the man who comes from Qld who said earlier this year folks from Melbourne were too scared to go out to dinner in the city and other suburbs because of African gangs terrorising the streets.
But then when asked if he'd ever been to one of these suburbs where we are supposedly terrifed he said no. Then he, couldn't answer when he was asked if he knew where in the suburbs of Melbourne Werribee was
He didn't attend the chamber during apology to the Stolen Generation because he didnt support it. That says alot
So no I dont hate him, just have no respect for him. His actions and words on so many issues ensure I can't and won't
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Where did I say he didn't challenge, WP? You're just making things up.
I don't think he is a proven racist at all. That's just slander on your behalf.
Why should he attend an apology for something he wasn't responsible for?
I kind of like how he boots criminals out of this country. Need more of it
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And if you want to be technical, Turnbull called for a ballot. So no one challenged him, it was open for anyone to enter the ballot.
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WP channelling old mate Bents...... :shh
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The change has to happen by tomorrow otherwise this will linger on unanswered for a couple of weeks with all the pollies going on their break and if the LNP wants to go to an election in October before the Victorian state election in November.
Apparently there's a letter going around tonight amongst the Libs demanding another leadership vote.
https://twitter.com/9NewsAUS/status/1032194636314492928
https://twitter.com/lucybarbour/status/1032189834020831233
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Yeah WP you don't know what you're on about here. 65 is correct.
Did he not nominate (eg put his name up) for the leadership when turnbull bought on the spill?
Answer YES, so he challenged for the leadership
He didn't have the numbers and lost the ballot. that was stupid, but he is a moron so it's no surprise
He challenged for the leadership and 35 votes was a brilliant result. What even is your point apart from slagging a bloke you clearly hate?
Why is he a moron? He's actually a very good politician.
"Good politician" is hardly what the country needs. Abbott was a "good politician" as opposition leader but he was a disastrous PM because he was clueless when it came to policies for the real world. Dutton is just as clueless going by his thought bubble today of removing the GST from electricity bills which would put a 8 billion hole in the budget :facepalm. It's populist nonsense that is unsustainable. We need leadership and policies for the long-term that will build and progress the nation going forward.
Dutton was also voted the worst Health Minister in 35 years by doctors.
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I kind of like how he boots criminals out of this country. Need more of it
Well it's good to know someone supports what he did and continues to do to Dusty's Dad :clapping :clapping
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first i have ever heard MT say abbott was a good politician. haha
Dutton will make an excellent PM and what he did to those criminals was fantastic. Kidding yourself WP if you think otherwise. if only that loser dan andrews had the same mentality the city would be sitting pretty good right about now
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first i have ever heard MT say abbott was a good politician. haha
Dutton will make an excellent PM and what he did to those criminals was fantastic. Kidding yourself WP if you think otherwise. if only that loser dan andrews had the same mentality the city would be sitting pretty good right about now
So you supoort what Dutton has done to Dusty's too?
Because it is Dutton who will not let him return to Australia. This is fact, that he has boasted about I might add.
Good onya ;D
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Why should I give Dustin Martin's dad special treatment? I don't care about anyone else involved in criminal gangs. Why should I care about him?
Dutton is a great politician with good, targeted policy. You blokes just don't know what's good for you :shh
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Let’s not forget that bilkes are the pillars of society, a good bunch of blokes that are generally misunderstood.
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Oh but Dusty's dad...
Imagine if Treloars dad got deported for being involved with the Rebels. There'd be no sympathy on this website unless WAT showed back up
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Oh but Dusty's dad...
Imagine if Treloars dad got deported for being involved with the Rebels. There'd be no sympathy on this website unless WAT showed back up
Hmmm dunno, I have my doubts whether he was a tiger fan or a troll from another club
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Did he return to Wakanda?
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What a shambles! The Liberal party is tearing itself apart. Small "l" liberals vs hardline conservatives.
Dutton claims early this morning that he now has the numbers.
Cormann tells Turnbull that he no longer has majority support of the Libs.
Morrison however isn't accepting Dutton's push to become PM and is now running for the Liberal leadership himself.
Time for an election now and throw this mob out! :yep
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A shambles indeed.
Bit of Latham v Beazley about it, but a far bigger poo show. Crean loses the party but gets his backers behind Latham to prevent backstabbing Beazley from returning to leadership. Similar deal here but a lot more hatred :lol
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first i have ever heard MT say abbott was a good politician. haha
Sarcasm aside, Abbott is the most destructive individual I've ever seen in Aussie politics. The Liberal party is now paying for allowing in religiously fanatic DLP types like him who will blackmail a party out of government to achieve a takeover by force. Menzies must be turning in his grave. The Libs need a total cleanout like Labor had in the 1970s to get rid of the old deadwood.
Dutton will make an excellent PM and what he did to those criminals was fantastic. Kidding yourself WP if you think otherwise.
Dutton may be illegal himself (re: section 44 of the constitution) ;). Morrison has thrown his hat into the ring so it's not a one horse race either. The party is split in two.
if only that loser dan andrews had the same mentality the city would be sitting pretty good right about now
Did the Herald-Sun tell you that, FH? :lol
Fact is it was under the previous Liberal state government that crime began to rise as soon as they came to office in late 2010. They inherited falling crime rates from Bracks/Brumby but then cut police numbers and surprise surprise crime numbers went up every year of their 4 years in charge ::). That upward trend carried on for a further two years until new increased police resources under the current state government could catch up. Crime numbers are now falling again (you won't read that fact in the Herald-Sun ::) ). The law and order issues now that still need to be addressed are repeat juvenile offenders, sexual assaults & domestic violence.
https://www.crimestatistics.vic.gov.au/media-centre/news/key-figures-year-ending-31-march-2018
By the way, it must be hard for the LNP/Herald-Sun to cope with Victoria now having the best economy in the country (up from 5th when Andrews took office in late 2014). Amazing what happens when you have a leader who sticks to his election promises, runs a stable government full term, and gets on with the job of building infrastructure for the people (eg: Metro tunnel, level crossing removals, road upgrades, new schools, new hospitals, etc). Just in my area we've had 12 level crossings removed & 8 new/modernised stations in just the past 4 years after decades of inaction (by both sides). Still plenty to do after decades of neglect (it's going to take a couple of decades to fix all of it) but heaven forbid we go back to the do-nothing party that couldn't last beyond a single term at state level and is in utter chaos federally :facepalm.
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Gotta laugh at anyone who thinks maintaining the LNP-ALP duopoly will change anything let alone be good for their state or the country. :shh
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A shambles indeed.
Bit of Latham v Beazley about it, but a far bigger poo show. Crean loses the party but gets his backers behind Latham to prevent backstabbing Beazley from returning to leadership. Similar deal here but a lot more hatred :lol
Hardly similar given Labor was in opposition then :huh3. Oppositions have regularly changed leaders in general throughout Aussie political history. That's the time to do it. What is unusual until the past decade is governments not lasting a one term without changing leaders.
The difference this time is this has nothing to do with polls (Turnbull had got Newspoll back to 49-51 which as Keating once said is a winnable position for a sitting government). This is instead is about ego/payback (nothing new there) but more importantly a battle over the philosophy of the Liberal party (which is new). Small "l" liberals and Conservatives within the Liberal party are split in two and can't stand each other's beliefs & policy direction (eg: the NEG which set off this latest leadership crisis). It's a civil war. Each faction refuses to follow/serve under the other.
Labor's split of 1954/55 was similar in the sense that the ultra-religious members to the right of the party disliked the leader (Doc Evatt) and saw as being too much to the 'left' and tried to forceably take over the ALP including affiliated unions via Santamaria's "The Movement". Labor ultimately expelled the Movement's members who then formed the DLP. It brought down the Victorian Labor government and kept the ALP out of government here for the next 27 consecutive years and federally in opposition until 1972 as the DLP would give its preferences to the Libs purely to keep Labor in opposition as a means to try and blackmail the party into giving into them. The DLP died out as a party in the 70s (hardcore followers and descendants like Abbott switched to the Libs) but the wounds weren't healed until the expelled unions rejoined the ALP by the late 80s/early 90s.
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Turnbull refusing to go. He wants a petition given to him with 43 names on it before he calls a leadership vote and he won't call one until midday tomorrow at the earliest. If there is a leadership vote then he won't contest and will go. He has also sort advice from the solicitor general whether Dutton has breached section 44 of the constitution.
Right now we have no functioning government and the House of Reps has been abandoned as there's no PM nor ministers to answer questions. It's a total farce :facepalm.
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No government? No parliament? No politicians? Sounds like Utopia.... :birthday
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Julie Bishop has now thrown her hat into the ring.
Gotta laugh at anyone who thinks maintaining the LNP-ALP duopoly will change anything let alone be good for their state or the country. :shh
The conventions of the Westminster system function on a duopoly (government and opposition).
I think we've learnt the hard way that minor parties in Senate and their loopy candidates only make things worse :help. The rules have changed in the Senate so if we have general election then half the crossbench will be wiped out. Most are only there thanks to the half-quota of the 2016 double dissolution. They've need get a full quota in a general election which most won't achieve.
ps. The minor parties just voted down a vote of no-confidence in the government in the Senate. Saving their own skins ahead of the good of the country as well ::).
No government? No parliament? No politicians? Sounds like Utopia.... :birthday
I'll pay that. :laugh:
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Malcolm Turnbull - Dead but not yet buried
Peter Dutton - our next PM? (heaven help us)
Or could there be a third candidate? The Bish? ScMo?
I just hope Christoper Pyne gets the job. That would be entertaining.
:cheers
I'm still hoping Pyne will make a late charge.
:lol
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No government? No parliament? No politicians? Sounds like Utopia.... :birthday
:clapping
:bow
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No government? No parliament? No politicians? Sounds like Utopia.... :birthday
:clapping
:bow
Sounds like NAZI Germany
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Is Dutton a front for Tony Abbott?
:help
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A shambles indeed.
Bit of Latham v Beazley about it, but a far bigger poo show. Crean loses the party but gets his backers behind Latham to prevent backstabbing Beazley from returning to leadership. Similar deal here but a lot more hatred :lol
Hardly similar given Labor was in opposition then :huh3
Identical leadership situation apart from one being in government and the other in opposition. Party is suffering, guy gets tapped on the shoulder. Everyone expects a certain someone to take over and lead, yet another candidate emerges and will get support from the original leaders backers.
Geez MT wake up :shh :lol
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Time for a Latham led 3rd force :cheers
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Is Dutton a front for Tony Abbott?
:help
Of course. The ultra-conservatives now backing Dutton want him to be Abbott mk.II. Mind you if Dutton becomes PM and fails they will turn on him too. The likes of Andrew Bolt and the conservative radio shockjocks hated Turnbull and really want their man Abbott back.
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A shambles indeed.
Bit of Latham v Beazley about it, but a far bigger poo show. Crean loses the party but gets his backers behind Latham to prevent backstabbing Beazley from returning to leadership. Similar deal here but a lot more hatred :lol
Hardly similar given Labor was in opposition then :huh3
Identical leadership situation apart from one being in government and the other in opposition. Party is suffering, guy gets tapped on the shoulder. Everyone expects a certain someone to take over and lead, yet another candidate emerges and will get support from the original leaders backers.
Geez MT wake up :shh :lol
Completely different scenarios. The ALP at that time was never ideologically split. It just lacked a leader who could match Howard. Crean was seen as never being popular enough to win (similar to Bill Hayden), Beazley had had his chance at two losing elections, while Latham was then new, different and the ALP in desperation was willing to risk such a loose cannon against Howard. It backfired. Latham lost ground for Labor at the 2004 election, blamed everyone else for losing and has become just another unhinged "controversial" commentator who has sold his soul and beliefs chasing easy $$$ from the fringe whacky alt-right conspiracy theory brigade.
Time for a Latham led 3rd force :cheers
Good luck with that lunatic winning over mainstream Australia :rollin.
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Who cares that snowflakes and conservatives are clashing? I said there's a bit of Beazley vs Latham about it and there certainly is. At the top it's playing out exactly as it did in 03. Yes, the Libs are divided internally but who cares.
Why is Latham a lunatic? He's extremely popular actually dude...you might wanna follow politics a little more
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Who cares that snowflakes and conservatives are clashing? I said there's a bit of Beazley vs Latham about it and there certainly is. At the top it's playing out exactly as it did in 03. Yes, the Libs are divided internally but who cares.
Yeah who cares if the government is beyond dysfunctional because the Libs are at civil war and our parliament had to be shutdown because it could no longer operate ::). Time for an election now and throw this LNP circus mob out!
Why is Latham a lunatic? He's extremely popular actually dude...you might wanna follow politics a little more
Latham is only "popular" amongst the after the dark Sky News nutters that few watch :laugh:. Seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel if you're putting your hopes in Latham :rollin.
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Spill is on now.
It's turning more and more into a farce. Moderate Warren Entsch had to sign Dutton's petition to get the 43 signatures and he only did so to end the stalemate and make the party meeting go ahead.
Turnbull has said he is quitting parliament which will force a by-election if he does so immediately and put the new leader into a minority government :laugh:. Word is if Morrison or Bishop wins then he'll stay until the election but he's threatened to quit straight away if Dutton wins.
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Spill motion was 45 for and 40 against. So 40 Lib MPs wanted Turnbull to remain PM. Shows once again that the Liberal party is split in two. Whoever is leader will have the other half of the party sniping them.
Bishop, Dutton and Morrison officially running to be the new PM.
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Bishop eliminated. Down to Dutton or Morrison.
Edit: ABC saying Bishop will now quit politics.
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ABC saying Morrison is the new PM.
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Australia is too soft for a leader like Dutton so it will get the soy boy it deserves.
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45-40 to Morrison over Dutton. Once again a divided vote.
So the hardline conservatives that backed Dutton and forced all this chaos have only seen a PM they hated replaced with someone they also don't like :wallywink. What idiots! lol
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Australia is too soft for a leader like Dutton so it will get the soy boy it deserves.
We're too soft for a bigot who showed this week he is also clueless about basic economics?
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Anyone I disagree with is a nutter and a bigot.
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Josh Frydenberg is the new deputy Lib leader.
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Anyone I disagree with is a nutter and a bigot.
Show me where I've called Morrison, Bishop, Frydenberg, Turnbull or most normal Libs nutters or bigots? It's the extremists on the far right and their sycophants in the media (News Corp) that caused this mess. They have undermined and brought down this government based purely on blind ideology that would have Menzies turning in his grave.
As for Dutton: what do you call someone who dog whistles and doesn't hesitate to bag indigenous Australians, Lebanese and African Australians and migrants, yet is silent about a "white" gang that has smashed and robbed restaurants and last night also robbed a bottle shop in the outer Western suburbs over the past month? Thankfully, the cops caught two of the thugs today. I won't hold my breath waiting for Dutton to exclaim "Melburnians are frightened to go out to restaurants due to white gangs" ::).
What do you call a media organisation that gives ex-crim and Hitler lover Blair Cottrell a free range unchallenged hour to spew out his hate-filled bile?
What do you call a group on the LNP backbench and their media supporters like Bolt who believe scientists are left-wing plotters that have made up AGW & climate change to impose Marxism and de-industralise the Western World? :rollin
I would say calling them nutters and/or bigots is being generous lol :yep.
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Everyone of your posts where you don’t agree with someone they are a looney or a nutter
You’re so wrong about my mate Blair too, and if you were to follow your own posting advice I’d retract those comments while an actual court case is going on where the state government who support censorship and fabricating news, like actual Nazis, have been on his arse for years :shh
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I demand a spill for leadership of this thread.
Me vs the mods. Vote for who you want to have modship of the politics thread.
Under my leadership you will be allowed to support fantastic politicians such as Duttsy without being ridiculed :shh
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:shh
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Everyone of your posts where you don’t agree with someone they are a looney or a nutter
You’re so wrong about my mate Blair too, and if you were to follow your own posting advice I’d retract those comments while an actual court case is going on where the state government who support censorship and fabricating news, like actual Nazis, have been on his arse for years :shh
You winding me up about Cottrell, dwaino? :huh
Nasty MT picking on poor old, woman-hating, jew-hating, done 19 months jail for arson, etc ... Blair for no reason :rollin.
The good thing about the internet is nothing people politically say or do in the past on social media is ever deleted. Comes in very handy when you see a vile tweet but the coward deletes it to try and hide and deny what they posted ;).
Cottrell speaking under a false name "Bruce" from Port Phillip Prison (as an inmate): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyr_4x_n3Rg
(http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/blair2-e1432109112450.jpg) (http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/blair3-e1432109136981.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTjkAtjVAAAdCzT.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj8-GMJUwAAlWbo.jpg)
There's more examples of his anti-semitic views on the internet that anyone can find :help
He's bitter loser who blames everyone else for his own miserable hate-filled existence :nopity. Poor little sook can't grow up! :sleep
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Not quit, and unless you want to join the line in court for defamation then I suggest you delete or modify your comments. :shh
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Can anyone confirm if the sun will still rise tomorrow ?
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Those Cottrel screenshots are hilarious. Is he an Aussie? If so, get him into parliament :cheers
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Can anyone confirm if the sun will still rise tomorrow ?
It's 5:08am and no sign of the sun yet.
:cheers
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5.25am now and still no sun :shh
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6:36am and the sun is starting to rise.
Well it's getting light outside at least.
:cheers
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Applying we wont put this site at legal risk under any circumstances especially when we hit a "grey area" I've edited a recent post
Couple of points though
Everything that was in the original post can be found on the internet; whether that be via social media eg Facebook, Twitter, news services or other web pages.
However, at a court appearance for his appeal against a conviction earlier this year (april 18) Cottrell when asking for his case to be delayed said he was planning on suing certain agencies & organisations for defamation***.
Based on that alone, the post has been edited so we don't get dragged into an legal bun fight
***NB unable to find any record of there being a case pending***
So now back to the topic of this thread
The horrendous state of politics in this country
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:cheers
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The Coalition is heading for a massive split.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-battle-for-the-soul-of-the-liberal-party-20180825-p4zzpv.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-battle-for-the-soul-of-the-liberal-party-20180825-p4zzpv.html)
Speaking just before Friday's Liberal party room meeting, Terry Barnes had little hope that whoever triumphed in the leadership contest - Malcolm Turnbull, Peter Dutton, Scott Morrison or Julie Bishop - could rescue the party.
"Today is not going to fix anything," the former senior advisor to Liberal health ministers Tony Abbott and Michael Wooldridge told Fairfax Media.
"We are going to lose the next election. In opposition we are going to have a cataclysmic and existential fight and I'm not sure the Liberal Party as we know it will survive.
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The failed challenge seems to have backfired. Latest Newspoll has Dutton on track to lose his own seat.
#Newspoll (22-23 August) Federal Seat of Dickson Primary Votes: Dutton L/NP 37 (-7.6 since election) ALP 37 (+2.1) ON 10 (+10) GRN 9 (-0.9) #auspol
#Newspoll (22-23 August) Federal Seat of Dickson 2 Party Preferred: Dutton L/NP 48 (-3.6 since election) ALP 52 (+3.6) #auspol
https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/with_replies
Can anyone confirm if the sun will still rise tomorrow ?
The Sun doesn't rise. The Earth rotates on its axis as it orbits around the Sun #relativereferenceframe ;) ;D.
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The Sun doesn't rise. The Earth rotates on its axis as it orbits around the Sun #relativereferenceframe ;) ;D .
https://www.tfes.org/ would disagree with you.
:lol
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Well the change of PM was worst it. Latest Newspoll has LNP 44 (-5) ALP 56 (+5) with Shorten now preferred PM. And they wonder why the public think modern day politicians are idiots.
The Sun doesn't rise. The Earth rotates on its axis as it orbits around the Sun #relativereferenceframe ;) ;D .
https://www.tfes.org/ would disagree with you.
:lol
I'm surprised the penguins in Antarctica don't fall off the edge :snidegrin.
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It's embarrassing and cringeworthy that our pollies in 2018 still swear allegiance to a foreign head of state and monarch :facepalm :chuck.
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The silence from the Liberal/Right leaning posters on this thread is indicative of what is happening in Australia.
The voters have made up their mind and have stopped listening to the Coalition.
Expect a landslide victory and some much needed time on the opposition's benches for the Liberals.
We need a strong opposition to make our Westminster political system work.
Pity we won't get it until the Coalition goes through a whole lot of pain.
:cheers
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libs are stuffed and so are the rest of us with shorton. Im guessing he wont last as pm either
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libs are stuffed and so are the rest of us with shorton. Im guessing he wont last as pm either
Shorten will win the next election then Albanian Albino or Tanya Plebiscite or whatever the stuff their names are will lose the one after that... :shh
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Naked Albo is a sure thing to be PM by 2021.
A 3rd force led by Mark Latham is what we need :shh
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:shh
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Here we go again. Turnbull and Bishop gunning for Dutton.
Julie Bishop has left open the possibility of voting to refer Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton after Malcolm Turnbull revealed he had been encouraging colleagues to send his election to the High Court.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/turnbull-has-been-telling-colleagues-to-refer-peter-dutton/news-story/2c08008b54d172a8bb89b7e3c186e89d
Just call a general election and let the people decide.
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Getting desperate if old Barnaby is being considered for a return as National leader and deputy PM.
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Hello minority government!
~24% swing against the federal government in the Wentworth by-election (largest swing in history apparently).
This will re-ignite the growing philosophical divide between moderates and hardline conservatives within the LNP with both factions already blaming the other for the defeat.
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When Latham joins ON, look out :shh
They will be the 3rd force in Australian Politics soon enough.....:shh :shh
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Dick Smth for PM....Sustainable Australia Party or gtfo.... :shh
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Time for minor parties to wise up and take over........:shh
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Getting closer to a major split of the coalition into separate Conservative, Liberal and National parties.
Dutton and his conservative cronies in Queensland at risk of losing their seats.
And I'm not the only one saying it.
Will make Labor a three (at least) term government.
:cheers
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and...
"Liberal MP Craig Laundy says too many of his own colleagues are listening to right-wing commentators, warning they risk ending up out of step with mainstream Australia.
The high-profile moderate backbencher said the party had been pushed into toppling Malcolm Turnbull by conservative media voices and this trend could become cemented in Liberal Party policies unless MPs started ignoring what he said were fringe views."
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/liberal-mp-condemns-conservative-media-hosts-and-issues-warning-to-colleagues-who-listen-to-them-20181021-p50b1l.html
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And Tony Rabbit is at risk as well
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-person-with-the-most-to-fear-from-the-liberal-party-s-wentworth-debacle-is-tony-abbott-20181021-p50b05.html
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/21/jane-caro-poised-to-run-against-tony-abbott-in-seat-of-warringah
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After all that has happened the Libs still don't believe in climate change.
Josh Frydenberg rules out stronger climate polices despite Wentworth debacle
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/josh-frydenberg-rules-out-stronger-climate-polices-despite-wentworth-debacle-20181021-p50azq.html
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libs/coals majorly out of step with the people.
they will be absolutely pounded at the next federal election
im starting to entertain the possibility of minor parties and independents collectively getting more votes than them
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wentworth vote was 52% major parties. the number is decreasing everywhere
Latham will one day become PM...:shh we're just not quite at the stage where the every day person is recognising that PC, anti-white racism and what not is taking over....but they will...and when they do...:shh :shh
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Both major parties are out of touch with the people...... :shh
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:shh
a change is coming.....:shh :shh
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Winter is coming?
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we just had that. now....it's time to enjoy summer :shh
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Getting closer to a major split of the coalition into separate Conservative, Liberal and National parties.
Dutton and his conservative cronies in Queensland at risk of losing their seats.
And I'm not the only one saying it.
Will make Labor a three (at least) term government.
:cheers
not with bill shorton it wont. He wont last a full term that bloke with voters disliking him. ALP should be well placed to lead us into our next recession scheduled by 2022, and then as usual the libs will take over again and around in circles we go again.
rinse and repeat. Bring back JH
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Getting closer to a major split of the coalition into separate Conservative, Liberal and National parties.
Dutton and his conservative cronies in Queensland at risk of losing their seats.
And I'm not the only one saying it.
Will make Labor a three (at least) term government.
:cheers
not with bill shorton it wont. He wont last a full term that bloke with voters disliking him. ALP should be well placed to lead us into our next recession scheduled by 2022, and then as usual the libs will take over again and around in circles we go again.
rinse and repeat. Bring back JH
You mean this JH?
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australias-most-wasteful-spending-came-in-howard-era-finds-imf-study-20130110-2cj38.html
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wentworth vote was 52% major parties. the number is decreasing everywhere
Latham will one day become PM...:shh we're just not quite at the stage where the every day person is recognising that PC, anti-white racism and what not is taking over....but they will...and when they do...:shh :shh
Whats the fascinating with Latham other than wishful thinking?
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wentworth vote was 52% major parties. the number is decreasing everywhere
Latham will one day become PM...:shh we're just not quite at the stage where the every day person is recognising that PC, anti-white racism and what not is taking over....but they will...and when they do...:shh :shh
Whats the fascinating with Latham other than wishful thinking?
Know him personally mate, one of the best blokes I've ever had anything to do with.
Will be running for One Nation and will work to bring minor parties to the fold. Just hasn't got the minister for home affairs in his own home 100% on board yet... :shh
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wentworth vote was 52% major parties. the number is decreasing everywhere
Latham will one day become PM...:shh we're just not quite at the stage where the every day person is recognising that PC, anti-white racism and what not is taking over....but they will...and when they do...:shh :shh
Whats the fascinating with Latham other than wishful thinking?
Know him personally mate, one of the best blokes I've ever had anything to do with.
Will be running for One Nation and will work to bring minor parties to the fold. Just hasn't got the minister for home affairs in his own home 100% on board yet... :shh
Thanks for sharing AT.
what about One Nations Stigma of being too right wing? Are you relying on a trump style backlash?
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Getting closer to a major split of the coalition into separate Conservative, Liberal and National parties.
Dutton and his conservative cronies in Queensland at risk of losing their seats.
And I'm not the only one saying it.
Will make Labor a three (at least) term government.
:cheers
not with bill shorton it wont. He wont last a full term that bloke with voters disliking him. ALP should be well placed to lead us into our next recession scheduled by 2022, and then as usual the libs will take over again and around in circles we go again.
rinse and repeat. Bring back JH
You mean this JH?
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australias-most-wasteful-spending-came-in-howard-era-finds-imf-study-20130110-2cj38.html
mate lets deal with facts not studies that dont include the rudd years :lol :lol :lol
or better yet lets compare him with all the PM's we have had since.
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wentworth vote was 52% major parties. the number is decreasing everywhere
Latham will one day become PM...:shh we're just not quite at the stage where the every day person is recognising that PC, anti-white racism and what not is taking over....but they will...and when they do...:shh :shh
Whats the fascinating with Latham other than wishful thinking?
Know him personally mate, one of the best blokes I've ever had anything to do with.
Will be running for One Nation and will work to bring minor parties to the fold. Just hasn't got the minister for home affairs in his own home 100% on board yet... :shh
Thanks for sharing AT.
what about One Nations Stigma of being too right wing? Are you relying on a trump style backlash?
Perhaps an issue but Latho isn't really all that right. Slightly right on economics but in this day and age he's considered very right wing on social issues. But that's the RIGHT place to be :thumbsup
Stories emerge all the time of your every day person getting screwed over simply because they're white. Most of this country is white, so it's a bold play by the major parties to not give a flying stuff about what's happening with political correctness, anti-white racism & the massive amount of immigrants per year driving up the demand/pricing for houses etc.
No doubt there will be a Trump like media hunt on Latham when he runs. But he's going to go a long way to making Pauline and her party not look like idiots. Highly intellectual man :shh
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wentworth vote was 52% major parties. the number is decreasing everywhere
Latham will one day become PM...:shh we're just not quite at the stage where the every day person is recognising that PC, anti-white racism and what not is taking over....but they will...and when they do...:shh :shh
Whats the fascinating with Latham other than wishful thinking?
Know him personally mate, one of the best blokes I've ever had anything to do with.
Will be running for One Nation and will work to bring minor parties to the fold. Just hasn't got the minister for home affairs in his own home 100% on board yet... :shh
Thanks for sharing AT.
what about One Nations Stigma of being too right wing? Are you relying on a trump style backlash?
Perhaps an issue but Latho isn't really all that right. Slightly right on economics but in this day and age he's considered very right wing on social issues. But that's the RIGHT place to be :thumbsup
Stories emerge all the time of your every day person getting screwed over simply because they're white. Most of this country is white, so it's a bold play by the major parties to not give a flying stuff about what's happening with political correctness, anti-white racism & the massive amount of immigrants per year driving up the demand/pricing for houses etc.
No doubt there will be a Trump like media hunt on Latham when he runs. But he's going to go a long way to making Pauline and her party not look like idiots. Highly intellectual man :shh
hmmmm....
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Get out of our country :shh
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#MAGA :shh :shh
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....:shh :shh :shh
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:sarcasm
I'm hoping anyway.
:lol
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Even the right wing think tank, the IPA, thinks Morrison is a fool.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/27/institute-of-public-affairs-blasts-coalitions-un-liberal-energy-policies
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OMG
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:lol
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The Morrison Government faces losing another MP and a nightmare by-election in its second most marginal seat in Victoria after a backbencher made an investment that could disqualify him from parliament.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/dunkley-mp-chris-crewther-could-be-rubbed-out-by-section-44/news-story/9b770cb19f40f7a3d5462de3b02d161d
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wentworth vote was 52% major parties. the number is decreasing everywhere
Latham will one day become PM...:shh we're just not quite at the stage where the every day person is recognising that PC, anti-white racism and what not is taking over....but they will...and when they do...:shh :shh
Whats the fascinating with Latham other than wishful thinking?
Announcement by the weekend, Dooksy... :shh
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Latham has joined up with Pauline Hanson. Now that's a political marriage made in hell :lol.
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It's a great move. :thumbsup Huge boost for One Nation.
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The circus has found another clown :snidegrin.
They are both such bitter twisted individuals who blame everyone and everything else for the ills of the world that they have falling outs with virtually everyone they have ever worked with. Remember Latham joined the Liberal Democrats for a time being. This ain't going to end well :nope. It's only gaining attention because the eventual implosion and hissy fit will be entertaining to watch :yep.
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To be honest I didn't read your post MT because I assume it's another lecture on "der der right winger DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"...:shh
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They aren't right-wing :nope. They want the state to build coal fired power stations; they oppose asset sales and privatisation; they oppose deregulation; they want to reintroduce government run banks; they want to bring back tariffs and protectionism, etc ...
They are bitter sooks playing populist politics with whacky conspiracy theories which blame everyone else but their 'kind' for the ills of the world ::).
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They oppose political correctness, they oppose gender quotas, they oppose anti-white racism, they oppose big immigration. The support an Australia where everyone is judged on merit...:shh
You're also wrong about Latham and what he 'opposes'....:shh :shh
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It's a great move. :thumbsup Huge boost for One Nation.
You do realise he isn't running for One Nation at the federal level. Only joined to run at state level
Pauline and Latham a match made in heaven... bigotory of the highest order
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It's a great move. :thumbsup Huge boost for One Nation.
You do realise he isn't running for One Nation at the federal level. Only joined to run at state level
Pauline and Latham a match made in heaven... bigotory of the highest order
Yes, I've said that's what would happen months ago. Keep up. And as I said, it's a huge boost for One Nation. You do realise the state election is in March .
Okay let's put you to the test, WP. Let's see what you really know. How is Latham a bigot? Be very careful what you say next.
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And what's the bet you 2 voted for him in 2004 :lol
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It's a great move. :thumbsup Huge boost for One Nation.
You do realise he isn't running for One Nation at the federal level. Only joined to run at state level
Pauline and Latham a match made in heaven... bigotory of the highest order
Yes, I've said that's what would happen months ago. Keep up. And as I said, it's a huge boost for One Nation. You do realise the state election is in March .
Okay let's put you to the test, WP. Let's see what you really know. How is Latham a bigot? Be very careful what you say next.
WnPc :shh
And what's the bet you 2 voted for him in 2004 :lol
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And what's the bet you 2 voted for him in 2004 :lol
Well under our system I couldn't vote directly for him
But did I vote labor while he was leader, no I didn't
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And what's the bet you 2 voted for him in 2004 :lol
:lol
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And what's the bet you 2 voted for him in 2004 :lol
Well under our system I couldn't vote directly for him
But did I vote labor while he was leader, no I didn't
Greens? :shh
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Surely even WP's not that stupid..... :shh
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:lol
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Anyone care to predict the State Election outcome for next Saturday? 88 seats total, 45 for the win.
Currently its something like:- ALP 45, LIB/NAT 37, GRN 3, IND 1( 2 vacant?)
Ill say ALP 50, LIB/NAT 31, GRN 4, IND 3
3-4% swing away from LIB/NAT.
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Can you even vote?
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Can you even vote?
Whats an even vote?
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Anyone care to predict the State Election outcome for next Saturday? 88 seats total, 45 for the win.
Currently its something like:- ALP 45, LIB/NAT 37, GRN 3, IND 1( 2 vacant?)
Ill say ALP 50, LIB/NAT 31, GRN 4, IND 3
3-4% swing away from LIB/NAT.
The polls are showing a 1-2% swing to Labor. Uniformly that would see the ALP gain about 3 seats (Ripon, Morwell from the LNP and Melton which was Labor's in 2014) and maintain their majority in government.
However, swings are rarely uniform and there's about 4 battlezones that will decide the winner.
Inner City:
Due to changing demographics (more yuppies :laugh: ), Brunswick is likely to fall to the Greens. If Labor loses Richmond and/or Albert Park then the Greens are likely to hold the balance of power whichever major party wins :P. The Greens though have had a shocker of a campaign and they could lose Prahran to either Labor or Liberal.
South East suburbs:
The 4 Frankston line seats (Bentleigh, Mordialloc, Carrum and Frankston) have decided the past two elections as a block. The Libs will have to win most of these to win government. Further out, Cranbourne (ALP) and Bass (LNP) are the other two seats that could change hands.
Central-West Victoria:
Libs will be targeting Labor seats like Macedon. Labor after Ripon.
Rural:
Will more independents take seats off the Nats? LNP will have zero chance if that happens no matter what occurs elsewhere.
There could also be a few quirky changes if a more significant swing is on. Libs think they are chance in Eltham and up along the outer Hurstbridge line as well as around Pascoe Vale and Essendon. Labor thinks it could poach one or two seats in the Eastern suburbs like Glen Waverley & Burwood (which sit in the Federal Liberal seat of Chisholm whose Federal Liberal MP quit over bullying allegations) as well as Geelong's south coast.
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Expect some sort of protest vote from the Liberal voters in the wealthier suburbs (the Turnbull factor).
Not enough to make a difference but...
:thumbsup
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Exit poll is ALP 55 LNP 45 :o. If the actual election reflects that it will be a landside.
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Exit poll is ALP 55 LNP 45 :o. If the actual election reflects that it will be a landside.
It is a rout of the highest order
Proves fear mongering, archaic policies and using a tradegy as attempt to politically point score wont get you elected
Coalition getting what they deserve for a really pathetic campaign and not understanding the big picture
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Guy & Andrews. Bit like choosing between cancer and aids
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Greens and Independents starting to become as relevent as the Libs. Preferences and swings to alp knocking of heartland Lib seats. Prahran, Hawthorn & Caulfield. Box Hill, Ringwood and Croydon to a lesser extent.
Thats whats happens when your ethos narrows to far right christians at a fed level and fear based politics.
The city is growing.and the top end is creaming it. People want infrastructure. The Coalition has failed to communicate that it is an option the people want.
Out of touch.
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:lol
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The pre-polls and postals have seen the Libs hold onto some of their blue-ribbon seats like Brighton that looked like falling on Saturday night. Still a huge flogging though. The LNP will be lucky to win 28 seats and they've been decimated in the upper house. Federally, if this is repeated, they will lose government easily just in Victoria alone forgetting about Qld. This result will only split the moderates and conservatives further apart.
The Greens are the other losers. Don't pretend to be for public transport when you vote against the lease of the Port of Melbourne which as funded the level crossing removals and other rail infrastructure upgrades.
Labor looking at 55 seats in the lower house (out of 88) and around 19 in the upper house (one short of half the seats). They'll be glad about the latter as it seems there will be a fair few micro parties that will win upper house seats despite getting very few first preferences.
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As Kim Beazley Snr once said:
"When I first joined the Labor Party it was made up of the cream of the working class. When I left it was made up of the scum of the middle class." :shh
Mind you, both major parties as well as the Nationals and the Greens have long since abandoned their original charters... :shh :shh
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With free TAFE encouraging those who don't want to go to uni to go into a trade plus all the infrastructure building creating thousands of construction and other trade jobs, it could be argued that it's pretty pro-"working class" state government.
Anyway, another day and another self-inflicted wound on the other side of politics up in Canberra. The split between the moderates and conservatives is widening with one moderate Liberal MP quitting and another caught bagging the conservative faction for trashing the party's brand. Morrison wants to have an early budget in April for a May 11/18 election but the question is will the Federal government last until them? It won't happen (yet) but in theory the rest of the House of Reps, which combined is now a majority, could bring down the government at any time.
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Victorian Legislative Council (upper house) results. 11 on the crossbench.
Labor 18
Liberal/National 11 (10 Lib, 1 Nat)
Derryn Hinch Justice 4
Transport Matters 2
Greens 1
Animal Justice 1
Sustainable Australia 1
Shooters, Fishers 1
Lib Democrats 1
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/results/legislative-council/
Aside: A couple of examples of block voting above the line where a first vote of just 1% or less can still get you a seat in the upper house thanks to preference wheeling and dealing. If you don't do the preference horsetrading then you miss out even if you get far more first votes.
1st votes prefs total votes
Trans. Mat. 1,719 ( 0.6%) 65,085 66,624 ... quota achieved
1st votes prefs total votes
Trans. Mat. 3,693 ( 1.2%) 60,279 63,972 ... quota achieved
1st votes prefs total votes
Sus. Aus. 3,562 ( 1.3%) 52,847 56,409 ... quota achieved
Greens 35,827 (12.8%) 1,187 37,014 ... no quota achieved
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/results/emet/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/results/seme/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/results/smet/
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Good to see the Lib Democrats getting amongst it :clapping
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Sustainable Australia :shh
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Here we go again. The infighting continues.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/turnbull-weighs-in-on-pms-request-to-reendorse-members/news-story/a7100da9360e4e0ee86418c27bf9ac27
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/craig-kelly-s-expletive-laden-rant-exposes-depth-of-liberal-party-tensions-20181202-p50jra.html
And just when you think it couldn't get any worse ........... it does lol.
https://www.9news.com.au/2018/12/01/09/45/abbott-open-to-return-as-pm
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Here we go again. The infighting continues.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/turnbull-weighs-in-on-pms-request-to-reendorse-members/news-story/a7100da9360e4e0ee86418c27bf9ac27 (https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/turnbull-weighs-in-on-pms-request-to-reendorse-members/news-story/a7100da9360e4e0ee86418c27bf9ac27)
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/craig-kelly-s-expletive-laden-rant-exposes-depth-of-liberal-party-tensions-20181202-p50jra.html (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/craig-kelly-s-expletive-laden-rant-exposes-depth-of-liberal-party-tensions-20181202-p50jra.html)
And just when you think it couldn't get any worse better ........... it does lol.
https://www.9news.com.au/2018/12/01/09/45/abbott-open-to-return-as-pm (https://www.9news.com.au/2018/12/01/09/45/abbott-open-to-return-as-pm)
corrected for accuracy :thumbsup
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Back on the Vic election results, a picture tells a thousand words (especially in Melbourne).
(https://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2018/12/591601_afa16423e131ef24fe20031ee1da0b11.png)
Here we go again. The infighting continues.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/turnbull-weighs-in-on-pms-request-to-reendorse-members/news-story/a7100da9360e4e0ee86418c27bf9ac27 (https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/turnbull-weighs-in-on-pms-request-to-reendorse-members/news-story/a7100da9360e4e0ee86418c27bf9ac27)
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/craig-kelly-s-expletive-laden-rant-exposes-depth-of-liberal-party-tensions-20181202-p50jra.html (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/craig-kelly-s-expletive-laden-rant-exposes-depth-of-liberal-party-tensions-20181202-p50jra.html)
And just when you think it couldn't get any worse better ........... it does lol.
https://www.9news.com.au/2018/12/01/09/45/abbott-open-to-return-as-pm (https://www.9news.com.au/2018/12/01/09/45/abbott-open-to-return-as-pm)
corrected for accuracy :thumbsup
lol
Mind you two more S44 breaches (and resulting byelections) could be the final tipping point if the crossbenchers vote to send Crewther and Dutton to the High Court.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/legal-advice-on-liberal-mps-business-interest-raising-doubts-on-his-future/news-story/89ae32a14b82b2c5d8342843da30ee29
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Another day and another idiot in the federal government causing self-inflicted damage.
You've got to feel for his wife and family right before Christmas. So much for him preaching family values ::).
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-broad-built-himself-a-pedestal-then-fell-off-it-20181217-p50mr4.html
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Who cares
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Another day and another idiot in the federal government causing self-inflicted damage.
You've got to feel for his wife and family right before Christmas. So much for him preaching family values ::) .
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-broad-built-himself-a-pedestal-then-fell-off-it-20181217-p50mr4.html (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-broad-built-himself-a-pedestal-then-fell-off-it-20181217-p50mr4.html)
He was one of the first to call for Barnaby to quit.
Might turn out ok for the Nats. A safe seat going begging, rumour is Bridget McKenzie may make the switch to the lower house.
And if you want a bold prediction...
After the next election; Julie Bishop as Liberal Leader and Bridget McKenzie as leader of the Nats.
:cheers
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Dunno about that, 65.
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Who cares
Trying to have an affair on the taxpayers clock when he has in the past got on his high horse and lectured about "family values" to all and sundry = public interest.
Add in his party leader knowing about this for six weeks and doing nothing including not telling the PM = a not happy ScoMo.
Another day and another idiot in the federal government causing self-inflicted damage.
You've got to feel for his wife and family right before Christmas. So much for him preaching family values ::) .
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-broad-built-himself-a-pedestal-then-fell-off-it-20181217-p50mr4.html (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-broad-built-himself-a-pedestal-then-fell-off-it-20181217-p50mr4.html)
He was one of the first to call for Barnaby to quit.
Might turn out ok for the Nats. A safe seat going begging, rumour is Bridget McKenzie may make the switch to the lower house.
And if you want a bold prediction...
After the next election; Julie Bishop as Liberal Leader and Bridget McKenzie as leader of the Nats.
:cheers
That is a bold prediction ;D. Can you imagine the old fuddy duddies in the Coalition voting for two women to lead them?! :nope.
Bishop would be a popular choice in the media polls but the ultra-conservatives on the backbench consider Bishop, like Turnbull, as being too left-wing. They'll never vote for her as leader which is why she didn't even make the final ballot to replace Turnbull.
You're right about McKenzie wanting a safe lower house seat. The risk is an independent might beat any Nat in Mallee as one did in Mildura in the state election. We'll then probably have another old fuddy duddy in Bernie Finn come out once again blaming other candidates for winning as to why there's few women in parliament on the Coalition side :stupid.
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That is a bold prediction ;D . Can you imagine the old fuddy duddies in the Coalition voting for two women to lead them?! :nope .
Bishop would be a popular choice in the media polls but the ultra-conservatives on the backbench consider Bishop, like Turnbull, as being too left-wing. They'll never vote for her as leader which is why she didn't even make the final ballot to replace Turnbull.
I'm expecting quite a few of the ultra-conservatives not to be there after the election.
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Rumours about a leadership challenge at the Nats have already started.
:thumbsup
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/michael-mccormacks-leadership-at-risk-over-handling-of-andrew-broads-sugar-baby-scandal/news-story/25f0307df616e4becf94359be90ee681
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Great chance to get the great man Barnaby back in the top job :thumbsup
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Great chance to get the great man Barnaby back in the top job :thumbsup
He has to win his seat first. :snidegrin
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That is a bold prediction ;D . Can you imagine the old fuddy duddies in the Coalition voting for two women to lead them?! :nope .
Bishop would be a popular choice in the media polls but the ultra-conservatives on the backbench consider Bishop, like Turnbull, as being too left-wing. They'll never vote for her as leader which is why she didn't even make the final ballot to replace Turnbull.
I'm expecting quite a few of the ultra-conservatives not to be there after the election.
:thumbsup
Rumours some in the Liberal party want Peta Credlin to run.
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Rumours some in the Liberal party want Peta Credlin to run.
"Some" being the operative word.
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Credders would be great :thumbsup
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Credders would be great :thumbsup
At what?
:lol
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She'd be outstanding. Knows her stuff, a true Aussie :thumbsup
Quit watching ABC you blokes, you're becoming very very moronic....:shh
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She'd be outstanding. Knows her stuff, a true Aussie :thumbsup
Quit watching ABC you blokes, you're becoming.
I'm becoming?
Now I know you're crazy.
:cheers
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We all are ;D
:cheers
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Another event of dubious nature to finish the year for the coalition.
When is the election again?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/george-christensen-slams-vile-smear-campaign-over-asia-trips/news-story/01986974e7aca68d20cfaa3b25060a90
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If the Libs can't hold onto this blue ribbon seat then they are really stuffed.
Expect a blood bath.
:thumbsup
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/labor-bid-to-topple-kelly-o-dwyer-in-the-battle-for-higgins-20190104-p50pmf.html
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Oh isnt it cute how '65 still thinks the LNP & Labor are different.... :shh
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:lol
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/heavy-police-presence-in-st-kilda-as-protest-groups-converge/news-story/ca8fd8a5af11e28f45d2c9d9f1a3b6a1
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/extreme-rightwing-patriot-rally-in-melbourne-hundreds-of-police-on-high-alert/news-story/9478ad1a9a4872b67f6e52ef1cbb6a91
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/caulfield-jewish-aged-care-home-defaced-with-swastika-in-spate-of-antisemitic-attacks/news-story/a4a85e5fb35682e5b7cab2989c0013cc
Hangs around with neo-Nazis yesterday but Senator Fraser Anning reckoned at the time he didn't know what "final solution" meant when he used it ::).
ps. These low-lifes were also waving around the red ensign which was the Australian Army's flag during WWII which fought and died against their evil murderous ideology >:(.
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If the Libs can't hold onto this blue ribbon seat then they are really stuffed.
Expect a blood bath.
:thumbsup
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/labor-bid-to-topple-kelly-o-dwyer-in-the-battle-for-higgins-20190104-p50pmf.html
More likely to go to the Greens (who came second last time) than Labor if there's a change. Higgins is effectively the state seats of Prahran (Greens) and Caulfield (Lib).
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/fraser-anning-to-bill-taxpayers-more-than-2800-for-flights-to-st-kilda-rally-20190106-p50pub.html
Just 19 votes Anning used taxpayers money to be at that Neo-Nazi rally ::).
Unrepresentative swill :yep.
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You don't understand the electoral system very well if you're still crapping on about 19 Anning and 77 Roberts.
I'd rather see Anning use taxpayer money to be there than Sarah Hanson-Young using it to go whale watching.
Good to see you're steering clear of Blair Cottrell criticism this time......:shh
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You don't understand the electoral system very well if you're still crapping on about 19 Anning and 77 Roberts.
I'd rather see Anning use taxpayer money to be there than Sarah Hanson-Young using it to go whale watching.
Good to see you're steering clear of Blair Cottrell criticism this time...... :shh
It's a system that needs to change.
:cheers
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You don't understand the electoral system very well if you're still crapping on about 19 Anning and 77 Roberts.
You don't understand what first preferences are. And yes the system is a joke when those with so few first preferences can get a seat in the Senate. Thankfully, one is already gone and the other will be bye-byes in a few months time :thumbsup.
I'm no fan of the Greens so try again with another ridiculous deflection. I've missed too where whale's ideology mass murdered millions of people and thousands of Australian diggers fought and died fighting against it to give us our freedom of today ::).
The vast majority of Victorians overwhelming rejected this dog-whistling crap at the recent state election :thumbsup. No surprise though that these attention seeking sooks ignore democracy and need ring ins from state of Deliverance extras otherwise known as Queensland to boost their tiny crybaby numbers. Seen more protestors turn up to the flops that were anti-skyrail protests :lol. To add to the spectacular fail one of the chief goons at the rally got himself arrested :wallywink.
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You don't understand the electoral system very well if you're still crapping on about 19 Anning and 77 Roberts.
It's a system that needs to change.
:cheers
It's hard to fix because the minor parties like PHON have such poor vetting processes. Both Roberts and Annings got into the Senate via Hanson. Roberts was ineligible as a dual citizen though whereas Anning quit One Nation within a short period.
You need something like:
* Required a prerequisite of first preferences (a cut-off). All those below the cut-off have their preferences distributed to those above. Then apply the current quota system to those with first preferences above the cut-off.
* For those that quit their party then they must leave the Senate and be replaced.
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You don't understand the electoral system very well if you're still crapping on about 19 Anning and 77 Roberts.
You don't understand what first preferences are. And yes the system is a joke when those with so few first preferences can get a seat in the Senate. Thankfully, one is already gone and the other will be bye-byes in a few months time :thumbsup.
MT: Both Roberts and Annings got into the Senate via Hanson.
Exactly. The exact same way almost every other senator gets elected because their electorate wants their party in charge. So give up on 19 Anning 77 Roberts... :shh
I'm no fan of the Greens so try again with another ridiculous deflection. I've missed too where whale's ideology mass murdered millions of people and thousands of Australian diggers fought and died fighting against it to give us our freedom of today ::).
The vast majority of Victorians overwhelming rejected this dog-whistling crap at the recent state election :thumbsup. No surprise though that these attention seeking sooks ignore democracy and need ring ins from state of Deliverance extras otherwise known as Queensland to boost their tiny crybaby numbers. Seen more protestors turn up to the flops that were anti-skyrail protests :lol. To add to the spectacular fail one of the chief goons at the rally got himself arrested :wallywink.
Ridiculous deflection? One man used 2k of taxpayers money to go to a rally where people protested against Sudanese Gangs shamefully attacking people at random. The other used taxpayer money to go whale watching with her daughter, she could have at least taken a few left wing lunatics with her if she's going to use taxpayer money.
Were you the one who said you didn't vote Latham in 2004? :shh
I think you ought to retract your comments, MT. The people in St Kilda were not Nazis. Have you actually seen any of the footage or just going off a photo of a known plant who made a nazi salute?
Please retract your comments like you had to with Blair.
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Senate candidates do not succeed with such few votes. Even Antony Green at the time said that Anning's 19 votes would be a record low. Anning is only in the Senate due to a freak set of circumstances: It was a double dissolution election which inflates the chances of minor parties; PHON voters are voting for and preferencing Pauline Hanson rather than One Nation the party so other candidates on the PHON Senate ticket can gain a seat with bugger all votes; Section 44 of the constitution disqualified Roberts; Anning who was put in as Roberts replacement by PHON then quit the party that put him in the Senate as soon as he entered it. So he's not representing anyone who put him in Senate. The very definition of unrepresentative swill as Keating once said.
Anning has also repeatedly used taxpayers money to attend a number of these far-right/alt-right rallies across Australia. Are white farmers are being attacked in Qld too? ::) He has also laughably claimed he is allowed to claim more taxpayers money than any other pollie because his wife is "volunteering" for him :facepalm. Good riddance at the next election in a few months time :thumbsdown.
There was more than one of the goons there making Nazi salutes while others had SS paraphernalia (The Cosmic Psychos certainly didn't hold back on what they thought of it :snidegrin). Add the swastika plastered on the aged care home connected to families of Holocaust survivors and that that 'rally' just so happened to be held on the 100th anniversary of the founding the DAP that would become the NSDAP. If it walks like a duck (or should that be steps like a goose :whistle) and quacks like a duck then don't be surprised when it's called a duck!
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Didn't read a word of that.....:shh
Anning :clapping
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Didn't read a word of that.....:shh
Anning :clapping
What a mature response ::).
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Well mate you just go on these long diatribes that don't really make sense to the original discussion and anyone you don't like is called a 'nutter' or a 'looney'.
Look at Mark Latham. You laughed at him and he's moved One Nation from 3.9% to almost 8% in NSW.
You ignore MPs who spend a poo load of the taxpayer money yet have a go at Anning who uses it for.... politics
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Didn't read a word of that.....:shh
Anning :clapping
Yeah but some crappy washed-up pub rock punk band told him to stuff off on Arsebook.....or something.... so there.....:shh
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Whoa....like....whoa :shh :shh
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Look at Mark Latham. You laughed at him and he's moved One Nation from 3.9% to almost 8% in NSW.
Or it can said that 92% of NSW people still aren't going to vote for him or PHON ;). Most of that 'gain' came at the expense of the Shooters party so it's just the fringe vote being circulated rather than PHON taking votes off the major parties.
You ignore MPs who spend a poo load of the taxpayer money yet have a go at Anning who uses it for.... politics
Another falsehood. I've criticised pollies of all sides in the past for abusing travel and other 'entitlements'. You're the one doing the ignoring and deflecting regarding Anning and his ridiculous spending of taxpayers money. These populist pollies love to get on their high horse and claim they are different from other career pollies yet they still have their huge snouts in the trough.
As for the speaker and deputy speaker in Victoria :facepalm. The whole pollie and their "entitlements" process is beyond a joke now. They can claim for all sorts of ridiculous things in the first place and secondly it's so easy to abuse by MPs of all sides.
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Look at Mark Latham. You laughed at him and he's moved One Nation from 3.9% to almost 8% in NSW.
Or it can said that 92% of NSW people still aren't going to vote for him or PHON ;). Most of that 'gain' came at the expense of the Shooters party so it's just the fringe vote being circulated rather than PHON taking votes off the major parties.
You ignore MPs who spend a poo load of the taxpayer money yet have a go at Anning who uses it for.... politics
Another falsehood. I've criticised pollies of all sides in the past for abusing travel and other 'entitlements'. You're the one doing the ignoring and deflecting regarding Anning and his ridiculous spending of taxpayers money. These populist pollies love to get on their high horse and claim they are different from other career pollies yet they still have their huge snouts in the trough.
As for the speaker and deputy speaker in Victoria :facepalm. The whole pollie and their "entitlements" process is beyond a joke now. They can claim for all sorts of ridiculous things in the first place and secondly it's so easy to abuse by MPs of all sides.
What rubbish :lol
The Shooters & One Nation aren't campaigning for the same seats and SFF are still at a similar % while ON has doubled.
Latho has been in the gig 1-2 months and you acted as though he was some sort of lunatic when he's actually growing his parties brand & getting recognition from a lot of people for coming out with common sense policies for NSW.
No point talking to lefties about politics. They've got no idea
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Look at Mark Latham. You laughed at him and he's moved One Nation from 3.9% to almost 8% in NSW.
Or it can said that 92% of NSW people still aren't going to vote for him or PHON ;). Most of that 'gain' came at the expense of the Shooters party so it's just the fringe vote being circulated rather than PHON taking votes off the major parties.
You ignore MPs who spend a poo load of the taxpayer money yet have a go at Anning who uses it for.... politics
Another falsehood. I've criticised pollies of all sides in the past for abusing travel and other 'entitlements'. You're the one doing the ignoring and deflecting regarding Anning and his ridiculous spending of taxpayers money. These populist pollies love to get on their high horse and claim they are different from other career pollies yet they still have their huge snouts in the trough.
As for the speaker and deputy speaker in Victoria :facepalm. The whole pollie and their "entitlements" process is beyond a joke now. They can claim for all sorts of ridiculous things in the first place and secondly it's so easy to abuse by MPs of all sides.
What rubbish :lol
The Shooters & One Nation aren't campaigning for the same seats and SFF are still at a similar % while ON has doubled.
Latho has been in the gig 1-2 months and you acted as though he was some sort of lunatic when he's actually growing his parties brand & getting recognition from a lot of people for coming out with common sense policies for NSW.
No point talking to lefties about politics. They've got no idea
So "a lot of people" is just 8% now :lol.
Once again you're making up statements without backing any of it up ::).
Candidates and ballot papers haven't even been registered and confirmed yet so you are just making up that the Shooters and One Nation aren't campaigning for the same seats. Both will be competing for Upper House seats in the NSW Legislative Council which are decided by proportional voting and in minor party cases the last seat in each region decided by the left over quota from the major parties. You don't win lower house seats which are decided by preferential voting with less than 10% of the vote :nope.
Here are the last three NSW state polls (Two from Fairfax/ReachTEL in September & late November 2018 respectively and one from YouGov/Daily Telegraph in early December 2018):
The Shooters vote in NSW fell from 6.1% to 3.3% as One Nation increased from 4.2% to 7.5-8.0%.
(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/5f96b20d-42ad-4e24-9377-1d4960643367.png)
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/coalition-neck-and-neck-with-labor-as-foley-overtakes-berejiklian-20180922-p505dn.html
(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/799ea82a-ca6a-48f4-845f-f7d3cd4605cf.png)
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/berejiklian-set-to-lose-as-internal-liberal-chaos-derails-election-hopes-20181130-p50jey.html
(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/f136b884-a392-44c9-ae6f-750fcaafc660.png)
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/coalition-crisis-as-nsw-heads-for-hung-parliament/news-story/70ca891900442351f1806251a499e1eb
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NFI champ. Latham and Shooters have said they will avoid fielding candidates in seats where either one has a strong chance as they don't want to pinch votes off each other and allow the Nats to get in.
Hit the books and get a clue.
You say 8% and laugh as if that's nothing. For Latham to take them there from 3.9 is breathtaking, and it will be higher than that in the next two months.. :shh
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Libs have lost another woman front the front bench.
What's the old saying about rats and ships.
:lol
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/19/kelly-odwyer-announces-shock-resignation-ahead-of-election
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(https://puffetic.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/care-factor-gauge1.jpg)
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NFI champ. Latham and Shooters have said they will avoid fielding candidates in seats where either one has a strong chance as they don't want to pinch votes off each other and allow the Nats to get in.
The Nats are under threat from virtually everyone else. Mostly independents especially near the Vic border and from the ALP and Greens in say Lismore. Labor like they did in Victoria will be preferencing the Shooters. You then got the group AnyoneButNats but they won't support ON either given they want action on climate change.
A ON spokesperson last month said no deals had been done with the Shooters (that rumour was back in October). If they were to run in the same seats and preference each other then they wouldn't pinch votes off each other. The party with the higher number of votes gets the other's 2nd preferences. Out of the two, the Shooters are more likely to win NSW lower house seats.
Latham wants an upper house seat for himself as he'd have zero chance of winning a lower house one. He'll be competing directly against the Shooters, David Leyonhjelm, Christian Democrats, etc as the state is one whole upper house electorate. Even with only such a low quota of 4.55 required to gain a seat (the reason why Leyonhjelm is switching to state politics), ON could potentially win two seats at best.
You say 8% and laugh as if that's nothing. For Latham to take them there from 3.9 is breathtaking, and it will be higher than that in the next two months.. :shh
(https://i0.wp.com/www.buildyourmarriage.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Mediocrity-Setting-the-Bar-Low.jpg?resize=350%2C350)
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That's an hilariously ironic meme for a lefty to post......:shh
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The majority of the population are "leftist" relative to bitter old reactionaries like Latham who can't accept they are now a small minority (see SSM vote) ;D.
Libs have lost another woman front the front bench.
What's the old saying about rats and ships.
:lol
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/19/kelly-odwyer-announces-shock-resignation-ahead-of-election
(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/79aa2240-8810-4c0d-b1d6-105e3abfab2b.png)
Source: #auspol twitter.
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NFI champ. Latham and Shooters have said they will avoid fielding candidates in seats where either one has a strong chance as they don't want to pinch votes off each other and allow the Nats to get in.
The Nats are under threat from virtually everyone else. Mostly independents especially near the Vic border and from the ALP and Greens in say Lismore. Labor like they did in Victoria will be preferencing the Shooters. You then got the group AnyoneButNats but they won't support ON either given they want action on climate change.
A ON spokesperson last month said no deals had been done with the Shooters (that rumour was back in October). If they were to run in the same seats and preference each other then they wouldn't pinch votes off each other. The party with the higher number of votes gets the other's 2nd preferences. Out of the two, the Shooters are more likely to win NSW lower house seats.
Latham wants an upper house seat for himself as he'd have zero chance of winning a lower house one. He'll be competing directly against the Shooters, David Leyonhjelm, Christian Democrats, etc as the state is one whole upper house electorate. Even with only such a low quota of 4.55 required to gain a seat (the reason why Leyonhjelm is switching to state politics), ON could potentially win two seats at best.
You say 8% and laugh as if that's nothing. For Latham to take them there from 3.9 is breathtaking, and it will be higher than that in the next two months.. :shh
(https://i0.wp.com/www.buildyourmarriage.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Mediocrity-Setting-the-Bar-Low.jpg?resize=350%2C350)
God you have no idea what you're talking about.... :shh
Latham and Shooters have both said they will not field candidates against each other in some seats, you're plain wrong on this. And given I'm talking about Latham, you should know I'm talking about the NSW election, not the federal one. What happens in the Federal election could be different, but I doubt it.
Ridiculous to say they wouldn't pinch votes off each other, what planet you on bro :lol
Latham would have a seat wrapped up for him in the Senate if he wanted to go that way but it's easier for him to work in NSW & be able to focus some time on his family as well.
Latham also ain't competing against the Liberal Democrats :lol One is a right-wing party & the other is run by Libertarians for gods sake.... :shh :shh
He's doubled One Nation's popularity in less than 2 months. Imagine what he'll be able to do in 2 years.... :shh :shh :shh He'll win 'em 2 seats at least after preferences, possibly even 3. Not bad for a party that hasn't done anything in NSW or gone close to getting anyone elected.... :shh :shh :shh :shh
lefties. What a bunch of lunatics
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NFI champ. Latham and Shooters have said they will avoid fielding candidates in seats where either one has a strong chance as they don't want to pinch votes off each other and allow the Nats to get in.
The Nats are under threat from virtually everyone else. Mostly independents especially near the Vic border and from the ALP and Greens in say Lismore. Labor like they did in Victoria will be preferencing the Shooters. You then got the group AnyoneButNats but they won't support ON either given they want action on climate change.
A ON spokesperson last month said no deals had been done with the Shooters (that rumour was back in October). If they were to run in the same seats and preference each other then they wouldn't pinch votes off each other. The party with the higher number of votes gets the other's 2nd preferences. Out of the two, the Shooters are more likely to win NSW lower house seats.
Latham wants an upper house seat for himself as he'd have zero chance of winning a lower house one. He'll be competing directly against the Shooters, David Leyonhjelm, Christian Democrats, etc as the state is one whole upper house electorate. Even with only such a low quota of 4.55 required to gain a seat (the reason why Leyonhjelm is switching to state politics), ON could potentially win two seats at best.
You say 8% and laugh as if that's nothing. For Latham to take them there from 3.9 is breathtaking, and it will be higher than that in the next two months.. :shh
(https://i0.wp.com/www.buildyourmarriage.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Mediocrity-Setting-the-Bar-Low.jpg?resize=350%2C350)
God you have no idea what you're talking about.... :shh
Latham and Shooters have both said they will not field candidates against each other in some seats, you're plain wrong on this. And given I'm talking about Latham, you should know I'm talking about the NSW election, not the federal one. What happens in the Federal election could be different, but I doubt it.
Ridiculous to say they wouldn't pinch votes off each other, what planet you on bro :lol
Latham would have a seat wrapped up for him in the Senate if he wanted to go that way but it's easier for him to work in NSW & be able to focus some time on his family as well.
Latham also ain't competing against the Liberal Democrats :lol One is a right-wing party & the other is run by Libertarians for gods sake.... :shh :shh
He's doubled One Nation's popularity in less than 2 months. Imagine what he'll be able to do in 2 years.... :shh :shh :shh He'll win 'em 2 seats at least after preferences, possibly even 3. Not bad for a party that hasn't done anything in NSW or gone close to getting anyone elected.... :shh :shh :shh :shh
lefties. What a bunch of lunatics
Your lack of knowledge of political history is hilarious :rollin.
One Nation got almost 8% of the vote 20 years ago at the 1999 NSW state election and co-founder David Oldfield won a seat in the NSW Upper House. It all fell apart within 2 years when ON's NSW branch splintered thanks to Hanson and Oldfield's competing egos and the circus ON became. The odds of history repeating with Hanson and Latham are high :lol.
Latham and Leyonhjelm both appeal to the fringe who are reckon white (Anglo) males are being persecuted :scared, climate change denialists, anti-safe schools, anti-PC, anti-nanny state, etc. Latham joined the Liberal Democrats for a year remember. There are some differences (eg: SSM) between the two but no more than between Latham and Hanson (eg: economics).
"I support 80-90 per cent of the Liberal Democrats platform, pretty good for someone with strong views formed over a long period of time," Mr Latham said. He said the "party of freedom" allowed room for "dissent and diversity of opinion". (8/5/2017)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-08/mark-latham-joins-liberal-democratic-party/8507842
ABC election analyst Antony Green says Senator Leyonhjelm is searching for votes in a competitive space to the right of the Liberals. "His problem is that there are other people in the same space on the ballot paper competing to the right of the Liberal Party issues," Mr Green told the ABC on Monday.
https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/david-leyonhjelm-to-contest-nsw-election/news-story/6009c6b8ce2a023c1a8f78f23698b3b7
ps. I didn't mention the federal election w.r.t to Latham. I said the NSW upper house quota is low (compared to the federal Senate). You only need 4.55% to win a upper house seat in NSW whereas you need 14.3% at a half-Senate election. It's why Latham and Leyonhjelm are now competing for the more getable NSW upper house. As Keating once said, always back self-interest :whistle.
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20 years ago :lol
One person ever elected in NSW. Off the back of Pauline Hanson's popularity.
And you're slagging Latham for doubling their popularity & likely winning them a minimum of 2 seats. Double what they've ever won in NSW....:lol
There are a number of differences between DL and Latham. Guns the major issue, but I bet you think Latham is a lunatic for believing our gun laws are decent.
Anti-PC, anti safe schools, anti-nanny state....what is wrong with that? They are good issues to campaign on. Very important. I think you'll find Latham is mostly about meritocracy and in time he will deliver it to NSW. Yeah, DL might campaign with a bit on that but he's all over the shop fighting some weird causes. I like the guy but he takes it a bit far with 'freedom' at times
"ABC analyst" :lol
Give up on it son.
You voted for Latham in 2004, move to NSW and do it again to redeem yourself...:shh
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ps. I didn't mention the federal election w.r.t to Latham. I said the NSW upper house quota is low (compared to the federal Senate). You only need 4.55% to win a upper house seat in NSW whereas you need 14.3% at a half-Senate election. It's why Latham and Leyonhjelm are now competing for the more getable NSW upper house. As Keating once said, always back self-interest :whistle .
John Locke (17th century philosopher) said if first.
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20 years ago :lol
One person ever elected in NSW. Off the back of Pauline Hanson's popularity.
And you're slagging Latham for doubling their popularity & likely winning them a minimum of 2 seats. Double what they've ever won in NSW....:lol
There are a number of differences between DL and Latham. Guns the major issue, but I bet you think Latham is a lunatic for believing our gun laws are decent.
Anti-PC, anti safe schools, anti-nanny state....what is wrong with that? They are good issues to campaign on. Very important. I think you'll find Latham is mostly about meritocracy and in time he will deliver it to NSW. Yeah, DL might campaign with a bit on that but he's all over the shop fighting some weird causes. I like the guy but he takes it a bit far with 'freedom' at times
"ABC analyst" :lol
Give up on it son.
You voted for Latham in 2004, move to NSW and do it again to redeem yourself...:shh
LOL. Oldfield had a high public profile at that time as Latham has now. He was working for the Liberal party and was Abbott's advisor when he created ON with Hanson. Oldfield directed ON policy as party 'deputy' and Hanson was the saleswoman spewing her usual ignorant uneducated hateful bile. Yep, they only got below 8% and one upper house seat in NSW. Nothing to write home about then and nothing to write home about now. Appealing to only a bitter fringe minority living in their own echo chamber out of touch with the mainstream centre who have moved on and forward without the sooks.
ps. Wrong again :nope. Didn't vote for either major party at that election. Loose cannon Latham proved why people didn't/don't trust him by the way he blamed everybody else but himself post-2004. I live in a safe federal Liberal seat anyway although based on the recent Vic election that can't be guaranteed this upcoming federal election ;D :pray.
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ps. I didn't mention the federal election w.r.t to Latham. I said the NSW upper house quota is low (compared to the federal Senate). You only need 4.55% to win a upper house seat in NSW whereas you need 14.3% at a half-Senate election. It's why Latham and Leyonhjelm are now competing for the more getable NSW upper house. As Keating once said, always back self-interest :whistle .
John Locke (17th century philosopher) said if first.
I thought it was originally a Jack Lang quote who was one of Keating's mentors?
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Always thought the aftermath of the next election would get ugly but never expected a mass exodus before the election.
:lol
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/fears-of-mass-exodus-liberals-brace-for-more-mps-to-quit-before-election-20190121-p50snk.html
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Oldfield isn't/wasn't close to Latham. Wasn't close to Hanson either, everyone knew she was the draw card back then. Now they've got her and a guy who actually knows how to speak coherently and put forward some policies that make sense.
They are a minor party, this is the start of their run in NSW. Give it time, grasshopper. 3 months ago you'd have said no one would be elected from One Nation in that state, now you're saying "ohhh 2 wouldn't be impressive".
Oh, so you voted for the Greens....:shh You voted for Latham, it's okay.
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Always thought the aftermath of the next election would get ugly but never expected a mass exodus before the election.
:lol
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/fears-of-mass-exodus-liberals-brace-for-more-mps-to-quit-before-election-20190121-p50snk.html
Good.... :shh :shh
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The Libs are getting desperate for credible candidates to run in the next election. The latest is a one time Labor president who was a Labor member for 20 years.
LMAO
:cheers
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-to-parachute-former-labor-boss-warren-mundine-into-marginal-seat-20190122-p50sts.html
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Mundine is okay. Labor has changed a lot in 20 years, 65.
Credders and Mudnine :cheers
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Lefties like '65 are just upset that one of their minority pets is actually thinking for themselves and isn't doing as they're told and thinking or behaving like they're supposed to.... :shh
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Lefties like '65 are just upset that one of their minority pets is actually thinking for themselves and isn't doing as they're told and thinking or behaving like they're supposed to.... :shh
:lol
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Lefties like '65 are just upset that one of their minority pets is actually thinking for themselves and isn't doing as they're told and thinking or behaving like they're supposed to.... :shh
:shh :shh
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The Libs are getting desperate for credible candidates to run in the next election. The latest is a one time Labor president who was a Labor member for 20 years.
LMAO
:cheers
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-to-parachute-former-labor-boss-warren-mundine-into-marginal-seat-20190122-p50sts.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-to-parachute-former-labor-boss-warren-mundine-into-marginal-seat-20190122-p50sts.html)
The guy they shafted to parachute Mundine into the seat has just quit the Liberal party and will run as an independent.
This is becoming farcical.
FFS bring on the election.
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How is that an unexpected turn of events?
You lefties make me laugh :shh
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How is that an unexpected turn of events?
You lefties make me laugh :shh
Who said it was unexpected?
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You seemingly being frustrated with the old 'FFS' and 'bring on the election' :lol
It's all good. You'll get a few years of Shorten/Albo :cheers
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You seemingly being frustrated with the old 'FFS' and 'bring on the election' :lol
It's all good. You'll get a year of Shorten, eighteen months of Albo and six months of Pilbersek. :cheers
e.f.a :shh
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The Libs are getting desperate for credible candidates to run in the next election. The latest is a one time Labor president who was a Labor member for 20 years.
LMAO
:cheers
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-to-parachute-former-labor-boss-warren-mundine-into-marginal-seat-20190122-p50sts.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-to-parachute-former-labor-boss-warren-mundine-into-marginal-seat-20190122-p50sts.html)
The guy they shafted to parachute Mundine into the seat has just quit the Liberal party and will run as an independent.
This is becoming farcical.
FFS bring on the election.
And now the Nats have come out and said they are running a candidate as well.
What an effing joke this Government has become.
:cheers
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You seemingly being frustrated with the old 'FFS' and 'bring on the election' :lol
It's all good. You'll get a year of Shorten, eighteen months of Albo and six months of Pilbersek. :cheers
e.f.a :shh
:shh :shh
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"Mr Morrison told Cairns radio, the replica would repeat Cook’s circumnavigation."
Except Cook didn't circumnavigate Australia.
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/22/08/24/scott-morrison-outlines-year-of-celebration-to-mark-james-cooks-first-voyage-to-australia?ocid=Social-9NewsS
Not everything went according to plan, especially when Senator McKenzie explained that it was important that Australia Day be celebrated on January 26 because “the reality is, that is when the course of our nation changed forever. When, you know, Captain Cook stepped ashore”.
Except he didn’t.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/a-senior-government-minister-made-an-embarrassing-blunder-about-what-happened-on-january-26-2018-9
:stupid
It's amazing how clueless some of our senior pollies including the PM and deputy Nationals leader are when it comes to knowing basic Australian history :rollin.
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The Libs are getting desperate for credible candidates to run in the next election. The latest is a one time Labor president who was a Labor member for 20 years.
LMAO
:cheers
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-to-parachute-former-labor-boss-warren-mundine-into-marginal-seat-20190122-p50sts.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-to-parachute-former-labor-boss-warren-mundine-into-marginal-seat-20190122-p50sts.html)
The guy they shafted to parachute Mundine into the seat has just quit the Liberal party and will run as an independent.
This is becoming farcical.
FFS bring on the election.
The issue isn't Mundine and his past links. It that he is another captain's pick and not a Liberal party member who has been gift wrapped a safe-ish seat yet the Liberals continually lecture their female members that they have to earn their seat candidature on "merit".
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Now Morrison is accusing Schultz of bullying. This just gets better and better
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/23/local-backlash-after-liberal-party-installs-warren-mundine-as-gilmore-candidate (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/23/local-backlash-after-liberal-party-installs-warren-mundine-as-gilmore-candidate)
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Just heard an interesting rumour from a semi-reliable source.
Mundine is there to take votes from the Labor party in the hope that the Nationals candidate, a local high profile woman, will win the seat.
Apparently Mundine has been promised some sort of position after the election.
Rumour only but...
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:lol
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Mundine has been accused of hitting his first wife.
Looks like he has finally found the right political party to join.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/warren-mundine-denies-hitting-ex-wife-after-marriage-breakdown-20190124-p50thu.html
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Bob used to beat the shyte out of Hazel.... :shh
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Mundine has been accused of hitting his first wife.
Looks like he has finally found the right political party to join.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/warren-mundine-denies-hitting-ex-wife-after-marriage-breakdown-20190124-p50thu.html
Ah yes, the old smear campaign :cheers
We don't hear much about Little Billy Shorten doing the dirty on his Mrs. Or Tony Burke.... :shh
Bob used to beat the shyte out of Hazel.... :shh
:shh :shh
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Interesting how Lefties suddenly have no problem with stereotyping a black fella as a woman basher when that black fella is on the other side of politics... :shh
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The sick freaks will use anything that suits their agenda.... :shh
Not enough indigenous reconciliation in this thread......:shh :shh
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You lot are getting desperate.
:cheers
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Would say the smearing of Mundine is coming from within the Liberals. Plenty of anger from local party members within the seat of Gilmore over his captain's nomination by Morrison.
Another poor week for the PM. They've also just found Matthew Flinders burial site in London. Even Flinders' spirit is ticked off with dopey Morrison trying to rob him of his major achievement this week :laugh:.
The remains of English colonial explorer Matthew Flinders have been located in an archaeological dig at a train station in central London.
Captain Flinders, the first man to circumnavigate Australia, was located among 40,000 human remains in an old burial ground near Euston Station.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/matthew-flinders-body-found-near-londons-euston-station/news-story/a3c210f5246027d585b9571f622b553f
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Always thought the aftermath of the next election would get ugly but never expected a mass exodus before the election.
:lol
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/fears-of-mass-exodus-liberals-brace-for-more-mps-to-quit-before-election-20190121-p50snk.html
Mass exodus eh? Cool story bro....
....meanwhile in one of your own favourite lefty sources of spam links The Age:
While still months out from an election, more Labor MPs have announced they will not seek their spot in Parliament again: eight Labor MPs will voluntarily retire, compared to the Coalition's seven
"In cases where there have been defeats there's been higher numbers of government MPs quitting than opposition MPs," psephologist Kevin Bonham said.
Ahead of Tony Abbott's 2013 win, 15 Labor MPs gave up their positions in Parliament - the most of any party at any election since 1990.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-says-the-number-of-retiring-government-mps-is-not-unusual-he-s-right-20190129-p50u9a.html
:shh :shh :shh
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Lefties :lol
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It's not just the Liberals who are quitting politics that is causing the coalition grief.
It's former Liberals tackling Senior Liberals.
Julia Banks taking on Greg Hunt in Flinders,
Oliver Yates challenging Josh Frydenberg in Kooyong and
Zali Steggall going up against Tony Abbott in Warringah.
All moderates who have a chance of toppling the conservative incumbent.
:cheers
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Banks sold out the Liberal party and has now sold out her own electorate. She's a disgrace, I don't like Hunt but I hope he bends her over.
Zali who.
Campaigning on climate change :lol
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Steggle - I think her family are chicken farmers.....or something.... :shh
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This new breed of moderate Liberals have even been given their own acronym.
They are SPECs (Socially Progressive and Economically Conservative)
and the movement is spreading.
:cheers
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This new breed of moderate Liberals have even been given their own acronym.
They are WALFs (White Anting Leftist Frauds)
and the cancer is spreading.
:cheers
e.f.a :shh
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This new breed of moderate Liberals have even been given their own acronym.
They are SPECs (Socially Progressive and Economically Conservative)
and the movement is spreading.
:cheers
Read Patricia's article, did you? :shh
I threw up reading that wankfest.
This new breed of moderate Liberals have even been given their own acronym.
They are WALFs (White Anting Leftist Frauds)
and the cancer is spreading.
:cheers
e.f.a :shh
......... :shh :shh
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This thread makes my eyes bleed
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This thread makes my eyes bleed
Is there something about "right-wingers are lunatics" on repeat that you don't like? :shh
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This thread makes my eyes bleed
Is there something about "right-wingers are lunatics" on repeat that you don't like? :shh
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
The libs are imploding :lol
Link to Age article
:cheers
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhZdK2iormLpI2pkCzOlP-nnBeAEzN2ASzZWztMru9fPBSGlWN)
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:shh :shh
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:lol
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I can smell the whiff of an early election being called. Stay tuned on Sunday.
:thumbsup
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I am now confident an early election is no chance of being called....:shh
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I am now confident an early election is no chance of being called.... :shh
:lol
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/05/uk/karl-marx-grave-gbr-scli-intl/index.html
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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The ABC are imploding :lol
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/abc-throws-liferaft-to-foulmouthed-clementine/news-story/e3ed7c8b9f107aecf754cf36073a787b
:cheers
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Good to see them providing employment for the mentally ill.... :shh
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The ABC are imploding :lol
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/abc-throws-liferaft-to-foulmouthed-clementine/news-story/e3ed7c8b9f107aecf754cf36073a787b (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/abc-throws-liferaft-to-foulmouthed-clementine/news-story/e3ed7c8b9f107aecf754cf36073a787b)
:cheers
Did you really just quote Andrew Bolt?
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...says someone who quotes The Guardian......
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/c5dd72c7443a2d62ceb22c4e4c672f4c/tenor.gif?itemid=9536199)
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No other country in the world is talking down their own property market like we are. The Media in particular are pushing the negative vibe. I smell a very big Rat having been around the block internationally. Who is profiting from this sudden decline now or in the future? Australia is the most desired country to live in the world right now yet we are talking our market down........
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I am now confident an early election is no chance of being called.... :shh
:lol
The only chance of an early election is if the GG sacked them. Morrison and co. are going to hold out until May even though they've lost control of the House of Reps. By convention, if the government loses a lower house vote on a money related bill then the PM is expected to hand in his commission.
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No other country in the world is talking down their own property market like we are. The Media in particular are pushing the negative vibe. I smell a very big Rat having been around the block internationally. Who is profiting from this sudden decline now or in the future? Australia is the most desired country to live in the world right now yet we are talking our market down........
The fallout from the banking royal commission has seen credit dry up (from the banks). That's a drag on the housing market. Not a conspiracy but the financial system (including the mathematical theory behind it) is reliant and based around the banks.
The media will always sensationalise stories to attract more eyeballs and readership to themselves.
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Do we have an economist amongst the posters.
Are we in a recession or not?
How significant is low wage growth in relation to consumer spending?
:huh
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The baby Michael Jackson held out the window now owns the Beatles catalogue.
Think about that. :shh
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Do we have an economist amongst the posters.
Not an economist. I associate with the real sciences ;) :snidegrin.
A long time ago, I did study financial quantitative analysis (the mathematical theory of finance). Using stochastic (probabilistic) maths to model and price derivatives, manage the risk of portfolios, hedge, speculate, arbitrage, etc. Interesting stuff actually.
Are we in a recession or not?
Are we in an overall economy (individuals+businesses) recession?
No. While growth was negligible at 0.2% for the December quarter, it was still (just) in the positive. The annual growth rate for 2018 was 2.3% (down from 2.8%). That's 28 years of consecutive growth in Australia.
Are we in a per capita (per individual) recession?
Yes! We've had two quarters in a row of negative 'growth' (i.e. a fall) per capita. By definition that's equates to a recession. The last time this occurred was in 2006.
How significant is low wage growth in relation to consumer spending?
:huh
During the housing boom (a rise in asset values), consumer spending remained fairly strong despite low wage growth. Now that there's been a decline in housing prices (and hence a fall in asset value), people are reining in their spending. This also coincides with a decline in savings as people used up their savings to offset low wage growth and the rising cost of living (eg: rising utility bills). This would explain the per capita recession.
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The baby Michael Jackson held out the window now owns the Beatles catalogue.
Think about that. :shh
Sony now owns it. They bought out Jackson's share in 2016. McCartney then tried to sue Sony last year over copyright in an attempt to regain control of the catalogue. Both sides came to a "confidential" settlement instead.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/15/sony-michael-jackson-atv-music-publishing-750m
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jul/04/beatles-song-rights-dispute-paul-mccartney-and-sony-atv-work-it-out
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I bet you're really fun at parties.... :shh
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:shh :shh
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Well not at reactionary conservative parties heading for electoral oblivion :shh :snidegrin.
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peculiarly-australian-form-of-madness-turnbull-dumps-on-libs-in-bbc-interview-20190307-p512la.html
It's like a Dickens novel. The ghosts of PMs past.
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Turnbull should be deported
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Turnbull should be hanged
fixed. :shh
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Another 24 hours of self-inflicted wounds.
Firstly from Barnaby "I'm the elected deputy PM of Australia" Joyce stirring up divisions within the Nats and calling for taxpayer subsidised coal-fired power stations to be built :facepalm.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/i-m-the-elected-deputy-prime-minister-of-australia-barnaby-feels-no-guilt-over-challenge-to-nationals-leader-20190311-p5137j.html
And then life imitating Yes Minister on Sky News lol.
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Hahahaha that's actually pretty funny
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20 years ago :lol
One person ever elected in NSW. Off the back of Pauline Hanson's popularity.
And you're slagging Latham for doubling their popularity & likely winning them a minimum of 2 seats. Double what they've ever won in NSW....:lol
There are a number of differences between DL and Latham. Guns the major issue, but I bet you think Latham is a lunatic for believing our gun laws are decent.
Anti-PC, anti safe schools, anti-nanny state....what is wrong with that? They are good issues to campaign on. Very important. I think you'll find Latham is mostly about meritocracy and in time he will deliver it to NSW. Yeah, DL might campaign with a bit on that but he's all over the shop fighting some weird causes. I like the guy but he takes it a bit far with 'freedom' at times
"ABC analyst" :lol
Give up on it son.
You voted for Latham in 2004, move to NSW and do it again to redeem yourself...:shh
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Anybody watch QandA last night?
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:lol
I heard something about McQueen so I went and watched a bit of it. Both she and Faruki (or whatever her name is) are imbeciles. Tony Burke is a cuck. That Simon guy was okay.
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... or read "Endgame" in the Age today?
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No. Now be quiet and praise Mark Latham....:shh
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One Nation exposed the frauds they are by seeking millions in foreign funding from the NRA and the US pro-gun lobby to weaken Australia's laws.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html
Latham must be so proud to represent them :wallywink.
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Latham has 8 years in the NSW upper house. Expect him to go rogue. As always it is all about him
He doesn't dive a stuff about One Nation.
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:lol
I heard something about McQueen so I went and watched a bit of it. Both she and Faruki (or whatever her name is) are imbeciles. Tony Burke is a cuck. That Simon guy was okay.
Read the Fauxfacts/Nein hit piece/review, she was at least spot on about that hypocritical, far-left nutjob piece of shyte Di Natalie and the wacko watermelon greens. :shh :shh
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I did see that. While not being the most articulate person on the planet, she was 100% correct on those lunatics. The fact that people vote for them is bewildering. Imagine them in Government....:shh :shh
Imagine if MT ever admitted he was wrong.........:shh :shh :shh
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The greens pretty much will be in government by proxy if Labor wins.... :help
You can never be wrong when you put the right terms into a search engine and are selective with the results.... :shh
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Teena McQueen what a nutjob.
Honestly where do these RWNJ's come from.
It's like there is factory somewhere where they just roll these out, Bolt, Little Rita, Rowan Dean, Alan(Sharon)Jones, bloody hell the list is endless. :snidegrin
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Err....Alan Jones is a national treasure....:shh
Back to California you fools....:shh :shh
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One Nation exposed the frauds they are by seeking millions in foreign funding from the NRA and the US pro-gun lobby to weaken Australia's laws.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html
Latham must be so proud to represent them :wallywink.
Weakening Australia’s has really become a “buzz topic” with the media since the New Zealand massacre but can anyone tell me how the current gun laws are being weaken’d? Who is that is weakening them and has there actually been any proposal put forward to back any of this rumour mungering up or is it all just a media beat that’s riding the emotional coat tails of what’s just gone on in NZ?
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Advances in 3D printing will soon make most gun laws redundant..... :shh
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Advances in 3D printing will soon make most gun laws redundant..... :shh
Another scare mungering fact ::)
Unless the advancement of 3D printing turns to smelting hardens steel at home the only thing that will become redundant is the hand of someone stupid enough to try and fire one.
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"Scaremongering fact" eh? :shh
You severely underestimate human ingenuity, especially when coupled with nefarious intent... :shh :shh
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"Scaremongering fact" eh? :shh
You severely underestimate human ingenuity, especially when coupled with nefarious intent... :shh :shh
All the human ingenuity in the world won’t trump basic firearm ballistics on this one.
The media would have you believe that guns are being mass printed as we speak and while some components can be 3D printed it’s just not possible to print an intire working firearm.
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You're still assuming a lot of things from my initial post..... :shh
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I did see that. While not being the most articulate person on the planet, she was 100% correct on those lunatics. The fact that people vote for them is bewildering. Imagine them in Government....:shh :shh
Imagine if MT ever admitted he was wrong.........:shh :shh :shh
LOL. I can't stand the Greens :lol. Yeah I'll vote for a party that sided with Abbott over climate change and opposed the funding of PT infrastructure here in Victoria ::).
Speaking of wrong, let me see ...
I said the shooters party and independents were the Nats main threat in NSW state election; not One Nation. Tick!
I said One Nation would be lucky to win one or two seats at the most in the NSW upper house. They got only 1% of the lower house vote and just 6% in the upper house. Lower than the 8% and rising you were predicting. Tick!
I also have said One Nation were/are full of loony conspiracy theorists ...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/one-nation-leader-pauline-hanson-secretly-filmed-questioning-the-port-arthur-massacre-in-tasmania/news-story/c2f84df929d71c59aa76f78de06e1e6d
Tick!
Are you still backing One Nation? :shh
Latham has 8 years in the NSW upper house. Expect him to go rogue. As always it is all about him
He doesn't dive a stuff about One Nation.
:yep
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One Nation exposed as the frauds they are by seeking millions in foreign funding from the NRA and the US pro-gun lobby to weaken Australia's laws.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html
Latham must be so proud to represent them :wallywink.
Weakening Australia’s has really become a “buzz topic” with the media since the New Zealand massacre but can anyone tell me how the current gun laws are being weaken’d? Who is that is weakening them and has there actually been any proposal put forward to back any of this rumour mungering up or is it all just a media beat that’s riding the emotional coat tails of what’s just gone on in NZ?
The mainstream parties in the political centre won't but there are those at the fringes who if given the opportunity would try to weaken our gun laws. It's part of their platform. Did you see the recordings of Ashby and that One Nation pollie? They were willing to do it for cash from the US gun lobby.
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They fielded like 10 Lower House candidates and averaged 8% of the vote, one of them got 13% in the seat he was running for (Ben Casey in Camden). That is just pure fake news you've posted dude.
They're not done counting LC votes and just the other day there was still a chance Latham's running mate gets in.
So as usual, I was right, you were wrong...:shh
I will back ON as long as Latham is involved as he is the only man who can save Australia...:shh :shh
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Oh look, SFF performed so much better than ON in the state election
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One Nation exposed as the frauds they are by seeking millions in foreign funding from the NRA and the US pro-gun lobby to weaken Australia's laws.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html
Latham must be so proud to represent them :wallywink.
Weakening Australia’s has really become a “buzz topic” with the media since the New Zealand massacre but can anyone tell me how the current gun laws are being weaken’d? Who is that is weakening them and has there actually been any proposal put forward to back any of this rumour mungering up or is it all just a media beat that’s riding the emotional coat tails of what’s just gone on in NZ?
The mainstream parties in the political centre won't but there are those at the fringes who if given the opportunity would try to weaken our gun laws. It's part of their platform. Did you see the recordings of Ashby and that One Nation pollie? They were willing to do it for cash from the US gun lobby.
I seen an absolute media beat up regarding One Nation and the NRA.
Andrew Bolt absolutely hit the nail on the head with his assessment!
Again all firearm scaremongering off the back of what happened in NZ ::)
https://www.facebook.com/PaulineHansonAu/videos/648811602202782/
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One Nation exposed as the frauds they are by seeking millions in foreign funding from the NRA and the US pro-gun lobby to weaken Australia's laws.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html
Latham must be so proud to represent them :wallywink.
Weakening Australia’s has really become a “buzz topic” with the media since the New Zealand massacre but can anyone tell me how the current gun laws are being weaken’d? Who is that is weakening them and has there actually been any proposal put forward to back any of this rumour mungering up or is it all just a media beat that’s riding the emotional coat tails of what’s just gone on in NZ?
The mainstream parties in the political centre won't but there are those at the fringes who if given the opportunity would try to weaken our gun laws. It's part of their platform. Did you see the recordings of Ashby and that One Nation pollie? They were willing to do it for cash from the US gun lobby.
I seen an absolute media beat up regarding One Nation and the NRA.
Andrew Bolt absolutely hit the nail on the head with his assessment!
Again all firearm scaremongering off the back of what happened in NZ ::)
https://www.facebook.com/PaulineHansonAu/videos/648811602202782/
Andrew Bolt trying to defend his ilk. Who would've thought! ::)
Hanson has form with supporting these nonsense conspiracy theories as does her party. She sided originally with anti-vaxxers and pushed the bogus claim that vaccinations cause autism until forced to do back down when it backfired politically.
Today was just a repeat. Once again forced to back down only because of the political backlash after being caught peddling BS conspiracy theories about Port Arthur.
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Who cares, honestly?
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They fielded like 10 Lower House candidates and averaged 8% of the vote, one of them got 13% in the seat he was running for (Ben Casey in Camden). That is just pure fake news you've posted dude.
They're not done counting LC votes and just the other day there was still a chance Latham's running mate gets in.
So as usual, I was right, you were wrong...:shh
I will back ON as long as Latham is involved as he is the only man who can save Australia...:shh :shh
Yeah, that's why he ran in a state election for a NSW LC seat rather than for the Australian Senate to save Australia :lol. Nothing to do with self-interest in that he had zero chance of winning a Senate seat (would need a quota of 14.5%) compared to a 8-year state upper house gig requiring only a 4.5% quota :whistle.
ON got a vote of 1% in the lower house which is what I said. It's why you didn't post the LA results ::). If they were as popular as you claim then they would've ran in virtually every seat :sleep.
The SFF got 3.5 times ON's vote in the lower house and won seats unlike ON.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/nsw/2019/results#party-totals
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Wrong :lol
You really have no idea :lol
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Wrong :lol
You really have no idea :lol
Yeah the NSW electoral commission got it wrong too :lol.
Of course, you were predicting a ON statewide vote of higher than 8% two months prior to the NSW state election. But in that time it fell lol :shh.
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No, dude, you are comprehensively wrong lol :lol Trust me on this one.
Remember when you said Latham was a lunatic and wouldn't get elected? I told you he'd near doubled their popularity, and he had. He has. Rod Roberts is still a chance to be elected...:shh Benny Casey got 13% of the vote in his seat, so you really have NFI :lol
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No, dude, you are comprehensively wrong lol :lol Trust me on this one.
Remember when you said Latham was a lunatic and wouldn't get elected? I told you he'd near doubled their popularity, and he had. He has. Rod Roberts is still a chance to be elected...:shh Benny Casey got 13% of the vote in his seat, so you really have NFI :lol
Wrong again :lol. I said "ON could potentially win two seats at best" in the NSW upper house as the quota was just 4.55%. You were the one posting a statewide poll boasting that ON's support had doubled to 8% and would increase beyond that by the time of the NSW election. In the end, ON's statewide polling was 1% in the lower house and 6% in the upper house. Cherry picking certain seats that ON didn't get within daylight of winning anyhow doesn't dispute that :whistle.
You also claimed ON and the SFF wouldn't both field candidates in seats where one of them had a strong chance yet SFF won Murray against ON and the majors. Half of the seats contested by ON involved the SFF. However, it's the SFF and independents that are winning the anti-establishment vote especially in the bush where they are winning lower house seats unlike ON.
20 years ago ON ran in every NSW seat, polled 8% statewide, and scored 15-20% in about a dozen seats. They've never reached those "heights" since. They have always been a fringe party and always will be. Latham is a perfect fit as a bitter old loose cannon :yep. He won't care though as being nearly 60 the next 8 years will set up a handy retirement fund for him by the time his term is up. Playing the fear card and bagging migrants to attract the fringe vote is financially beneficial under our political system. Hanson now has interests in 4 properties. So much for being a battler that isn't like the major parties ::). It's all about gaining cheap votes for self-interest at the expense of slagging off minorities to creat fear and social division :sleep.
If Latham was/is so concerned about city congestion then why didn't he and his generation do their job and maintain existing PT while building the transport infrastructure (especially rail) that should have already been built by now ::). Nah it's easier to deflect his own failures and blame the newbies instead :thumbsdown. Yeah it's immigrants of today's fault that Sydney ripped up its tram network that was 3-times the capacity of Melbourne's and which in the eastern suburbs is now costing hundreds of millions to rebuild just a couple of lightrail routes. Of course, if Latham blamed his own generation and older it wouldn't get him votes. Easier politically to slag minorities :sleep.
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Do you just make stuff up as you go along, like why do you bother?
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Do you just make stuff up as you go along, like why do you bother?
Hardly made up when past predictions back in January for the NSW election are posted in this thread.
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So a state could force an election if Morrison doesn't go to the GG this week.
In theory, Morrison could call a half-senate election for May 18 and leave the House of Reps election until November 2 to remain in government longer.
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The Federal Election will be on May 18.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-11/prime-minister-scott-morrison-calls-federal-election-may-18/10991614
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I thought this thread would have been bumped when Latham got One Nation their 2nd seat in NSW on Monday as I predicted?????
:shh
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I thought this thread would have been bumped when Latham got One Nation their 2nd seat in NSW on Monday as I predicted?????
:shh
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The ALP cops a nice old whack from good old clive. Best thing he has said and right on the money especially the bit when he slags old mate bill aka s bradbury.
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Haha he went off this morning.
Didn't mind the spray at the current pollies. Dunno if Clive would be much better, but good to see a spray nonetheless
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agree. Loved every minute of it especially the part when he mentioned that the shorton camp were told they werent getting preferenced, and now we are seeing them cry like babies.
old mate bill ran a nice mediscare campaign last time, and are now requesting the libs to apologise for doing the same. Doesnt like it when the shoe is on the foot, and doesnt seem to cope with a bit of heat.
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Dunno if Clive would be much better
Once Clive pays his former employees their entitlements from his failed mine then he can say what he likes about anything
Until then his opinions mean very little
Anyone applauds this fraud condones his dodgy business deals andhis abhorent treatment of decent people who worked for him
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The ALP cops a nice old whack from good old clive. Best thing he has said and right on the money especially the bit when he slags old mate bill aka s bradbury.
What are you talking about???
All that cantankerous old oaf showed was that he clearly has no proclivity or understanding of politics. Aside from which, hes been a significant benefactor for the Libs. As if there was any chance in hell he was going to give preference to the ALP.
if you blokes are counting that as a win you're in serious denial.
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Will think you'll find in some Senate seats he is preferencing both Labor and Liberal in an attempt to block other minor parties from getting the last Senate spot.
He was spot on with what he said about Labor. What are you talking about, doug? If it was a different messenger it would have been better received but the bloke was spot on.
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The ALP cops a nice old whack from good old clive. Best thing he has said and right on the money especially the bit when he slags old mate bill aka s bradbury.
What are you talking about???
All that cantankerous old oaf showed was that he clearly has no proclivity or understanding of politics. Aside from which, hes been a significant benefactor for the Libs. As if there was any chance in hell he was going to give preference to the ALP.
if you blokes are counting that as a win you're in serious denial.
it didnt stop them groveling up to him in the hope he would preference them. Of course it went the other and as a result the angst came from the alp camp.
this from senator chisolm :shh
"In regards to the 2019 Federal election, I attempted to do due diligence on what the Palmer Party’s intentions were, as I have done in previous elections.
"In recent weeks I had two very brief phone conversations in an attempt to discover what role Mr Palmer would play in the Federal election.
The unpaid workers issue didnt seem to bother the senator when choosing to contact palmer for a few "brief" phone calls about his role in the federal election.
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The ALP cops a nice old whack from good old clive. Best thing he has said and right on the money especially the bit when he slags old mate bill aka s bradbury.
What are you talking about???
All that cantankerous old oaf showed was that he clearly has no proclivity or understanding of politics. Aside from which, hes been a significant benefactor for the Libs. As if there was any chance in hell he was going to give preference to the ALP.
if you blokes are counting that as a win you're in serious denial.
it didnt stop them groveling up to him in the hope he would preference them. Of course it went the other and as a result the angst came from the alp camp.
this from senator chisolm :shh
"In regards to the 2019 Federal election, I attempted to do due diligence on what the Palmer Party’s intentions were, as I have done in previous elections.
"In recent weeks I had two very brief phone conversations in an attempt to discover what role Mr Palmer would play in the Federal election.
The unpaid workers issue didnt seem to bother the senator when choosing to contact palmer for a few "brief" phone calls about his role in the federal election.
Doesn't that quote contradict your assertion that Labor had been "grovelling up" or don't you understand what "due diligence"means?
This election is over bar the shouting ( voting), people have turned off and know how they will vote.
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Yep I'm sure that's all he was doing :rollin
Due diligence/grovelling/seeing which way the preferences were going
Spin it how you want. If they were so concerned about the unpaid workers why did the senator pick up the phone to discuss the federal election with big Clive?
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Election may be over that is true but it wouldn't be the first time you have been wrong
#just saying
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Election may be over that is true but it wouldn't be the first time you have been wrong
#just saying
I was careful not to make a prediction,
The ratings result from the first Leaders debate shows that people are not interested.
There has been an increase in pre-poll voting, again showing voters have already made up their mind.
:cheers
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If there's an increase in early voting...and the election is over....wouldn't that mean that most people would have already voted.......:shh
Sorry 65, but I do believe you are talking out of your backside on this one.....:shh :shh
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I give up.
:cheers
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I have modified my original comment in order to make it easier to understand.
Sorry for the confusion.
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We knew what you meant the first time.
Still incorrect
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We knew what you meant the first time.
Still incorrect
We? :snidegrin
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We knew what you meant the first time.
Still incorrect
Is that you Sybil? :lol
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Is that you, Dorian?
65 is imploding :cheers
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Is that you, Dorian?
65 is imploding :cheers
Good comeback Potsie. :lol
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The choice in the 2019 election is stark
Certainly is if you care about the NDIS and those who it is supposed to take care of
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What is Labor doing with climate and how much is it going to cost the country and the poor bloke down the road with the arse hanging out of his pants?
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You are truly an amazing person.
:cheers
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Serious question.
All the rich nuffies out there who have no problems making ends meet don't have to worry about Labor's climate change policies. Everyone else does.
I notice you can't tell me how much it'll cost. Neither can they!
Back to the 2s, 65.
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Serious question.
All the rich nuffies out there who have no problems making ends meet don't have to worry about Labor's climate change policies. Everyone else does.
I notice you can't tell me how much it'll cost. Neither can they!
Back to the 2s, 65.
I have been waiting for the same response. He might be busy like old mate bill.
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The choice in the 2019 election is stark.
1. Climate change
Vote Labor if you want real action on climate change.
Vote Liberal if you think we can't make a difference to the planet's climate so why bother.
2. Franking credits
Vote Liberal if you think people who pay no tax should get a tax refund (paid for by ordinary taxpayers)
Vote Labor if you don't think this is fair.
3. Negative gearing
We have a whole generation of people who cannot afford to buy a house.
Vote Labor if you think this needs to be fixed.
Vote Liberal if you think it is alright to own several negative geared investment properties.
4. Tax cuts
Vote Liberal if you think giving the top 3% of income earners $77 billion in tax cuts.
Vote Labor if you think low income earners need the tax relief more (than the high income earners)
:cheers
65 blames negative gearing and the so called rich for the young ones not being able to buy a house :lol :lol
House prices have always gone up. What has also gone up is the cost of living hence why they cant afford it. A first home buyer can buy a house in tarneit/weribee areas with 10% deposit (20k) They cant, sorry wont, save because a lot of them are too busy eating smashed avo or dont want to live out there.
Why cant people own a second or third property and negative gear it? You do know they are doing it so they arent reliant on welfare which by the sound of it, you are. Pay taxes all their life, buy a weekender which gives them no income and which excludes them from the aged pension, but yet you want to strip them from this benefit?
I suppose you also think the rich are the one only ones who negatively gear their properties? You then believe the rich have more debts/expenses than the income they receive from a rental. :wallywink The majority of people who own 2 properties wouldnt earn over 90k i wouldnt have thought. I suppose we can rely on bowen to let us know. Aftre all he did know what the tax free threshold is. :help
Franking Credits. Why wasnt the low income earners or super accounts opened after march 2018 included in the list who will maintain the benefit? Why should a self funded retiree who has never received income support via the aged pension, be not allowed to continue to receive this benefit? Sorry i forgot he is rich thats why. Worked his but off owns a house in rye, torquay, cowes or wherever earns not a single dollar from rent, and only relies on the 5-10k he receives from this benefit yet you think its fair it gets removed? Better idea perhaps this same elderly couple in the example should sell their little weekender then they will be eligible for the aged pension in 5 years. Only issue is they get taxed via Capital gains and lose half of it. You dont understand the system. A lot of these retirees earning less than the aged pension, will probably now sell up and then be reliant on welfare. How is that better?
Over to you 65.
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Final pre-election Newspoll:
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The individual seat to seat polling of marginals over recent days is all over the place and very even but they are unreliable. Going by them though the result is going to depend on what happens in Queensland and Victoria.
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I still cannot believe that people are voting for one or another party on climate change.
Have they been that badly brain washed?
These are the facts whether you like them or not.
Even if we could cut our emissions to zero which is almost impossible, China's annual increase in emissions would swamp that effect on its own.
So as much as we want to save the planet, we are insignificant when it comes to doing anything about it.
Sure we will be able to feel morally better buy we won't be able to change anything at all. The cost for changing nothing currently is estimated to be $250 billion if we carry out Labor's policy oon climate change.
They are the facts and if people are happy about that go ahead vote nased on climate cange policies....
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Even if we could cut our emissions to zero which is almost impossible, China's annual increase in emissions would swamp that effect on its own.
So as much as we want to save the planet, we are insignificant when it comes to doing anything about it.
Correct but..
Real action on climate change will also have two additional effects.
1. It will give us credibility on the world stage when we are trying to talk the troglodytes into taking action (just think Penny Wong in full voice)
2. It gives us the chance to become world leaders in renewable energy technology. Think of the mass market that we could potentially supply. (should appeal to the Capitalists amongst us)
:cheers
'65
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Looking like it might be a hung parliament at this stage. Remember both major parties needed to win seats to form a majority and at this stage they've neutralised each other by taking seats off each other. Geographical split in the country between Queensland and the rest thanks to Palmer's preferences up there. So Dutton in Qld will win his seat easily while Abbott in NSW looks gonski.
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Got an article from the ABC to help the ALP out, 65?
:cheers
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Unless there's something odd with the prepolls (unlikely as they usually favour the Coalition) then the LNP has won. Antony Green has called it a victory for the Coalition on the ABC. Now it's down to whether it will be a majority or minority government.
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This result is about "What's in it for me"
Not how do we help others less fortunate than me
God help those who rely on the NDIS... :help
It is, what it is
Funny I should be doing cartwheels, those coalition tax cuts :highclap. Great for me, terrible for my 21 year old niece
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Shorten concedes...what a great result!!! The people have spoken so far. He ran a pathetic campaign based on tax reform and class welfare.
as good as trump beating hillary this is. Shorten shut the door on your way out you flog
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Election may be over that is true but it wouldn't be the first time you have been wrong
#just saying
65 say something
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:shh :shh :shh
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A stunning victory for greed and inter-generational inequality.
Personally I will be buying a few negatively geared houses and getting a share portfolio together to maximise my franking credits.
Might even make a habit to kick a homeless person at least once a week.
'65
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Thank stuff for that
Thought ‘65 would be rapt with Abbott losing his seat but no.
Only negative is now we have another term of ‘65 running his own anti liberal spam campaign
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A stunning victory for greed and inter-generational inequality.
Personally I will be buying a few negatively geared houses and getting a share portfolio together to maximise my franking credits.
Might even make a habit to kick a homeless person at least once a week.
'65
have another cry. You have shown you have absolutely no idea.
Going to enjoy a few more beers today and il have an extra special one for you.
a win against communism this was
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I’ll have one for him as well as he seems down on his luck.
The election was a vote on Shorten and thank stuff the electorate seen through him to the shifty little prick he is
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I’ll have one for him as well as he seems down on his luck.
The election was a vote on Shorten and thank stuff the electorate seen through him to the shifty little prick he is
his own voters disliked him. I even have family who are very high at the ETU and knew him personally. To quote He is one shifty bastard.
Shorten is the new Hillary. Enjoy retirement as he is finished now
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A stunning victory for greed and inter-generational inequality.
Personally I will be buying a few negatively geared houses and getting a share portfolio together to maximise my franking credits.
Might even make a habit to kick a homeless person at least once a week.
'65
Lol. More like one of the greatest victories ever for intergenerational equality
You are old for a lot longer than you are a teenager or early 20's person. As an old person who is retired, you have no capacity to increase your income if a government comes in and removes franking credits. My mum lives on $40k a year, no pension and 10% of her income is in franking credits. She now keeps that, thank God.
The young person has the capacity to make more of their life by working harder and smarter. It's up to them. Before they know it, they will be older and benefiting from the tax cuts the Coalition hopefully will be allowed to bring in.
This is a system that must be there. You must not punish those who have sacrificed their life by studying and working hard to reward those who can't be stuffed and would rather drink and party all the time. Sure, you must have a system that looks after the true underprivileged such as those with disabilities or no chance to get ahead, but not those who have a chance and refuse to take it.
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The advantage Morrison has is that both ex-PMs are gone. He has clear air.
The disadvantage he has is that he doesn't have a mandate for any change except tax cuts.
:cheers
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Lol. More like one of the greatest victories ever for intergenerational equality
You are old for a lot longer than you are a teenager or early 20's person. As an old person who is retired, you have no capacity to increase your income if a government comes in and removes franking credits. My mum lives on $40k a year, no pension and 10% of her income is in franking credits. She now keeps that, thank God.
The young person has the capacity to make more of their life by working harder and smarter. It's up to them. Before they know it, they will be older and benefiting from the tax cuts the Coalition hopefully will be allowed to bring in.
This is a system that must be there. You must not punish those who have sacrificed their life by studying and working hard to reward those who can't be stuffed and would rather drink and party all the time. Sure, you must have a system that looks after the true underprivileged such as those with disabilities or no chance to get ahead, but not those who have a chance and refuse to take it.
And what about those older people who worked all there life, paid taxes and now have to live on less than 15k a year. You know that thing called a pension. Should they be punished because they weren't able to study? They do get punished. I am sure my late Mum would have loved to have had $40k or even $36k without the frankng credits a year to live off but she didn't. She didn't have the option to study. So she had no options. But an extra $4k in pension would have made a massive difference
The current system does not look after these people. It never has and is unlikely to in the future.
Don't get me started on the under funded NDIS. One of my brother-in-law has been waiting for his 2019 NDIS funding to be signed off since last November. It's constantly being delayed because of lack funding. Facts are it has been decimated over the last 3 years. And who knows what happens with it next?
It's easy to say we need to have system that looks after the "true underprivileged" but the system as it stands doesn't And hasn't for a very long time
Maybe one day we will again start consider what's best for "the true underprivileged" first. Once upon a time we did, we don't anymore
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Lol. More like one of the greatest victories ever for intergenerational equality
You are old for a lot longer than you are a teenager or early 20's person. As an old person who is retired, you have no capacity to increase your income if a government comes in and removes franking credits. My mum lives on $40k a year, no pension and 10% of her income is in franking credits. She now keeps that, thank God.
The young person has the capacity to make more of their life by working harder and smarter. It's up to them. Before they know it, they will be older and benefiting from the tax cuts the Coalition hopefully will be allowed to bring in.
This is a system that must be there. You must not punish those who have sacrificed their life by studying and working hard to reward those who can't be stuffed and would rather drink and party all the time. Sure, you must have a system that looks after the true underprivileged such as those with disabilities or no chance to get ahead, but not those who have a chance and refuse to take it.
And what about those older people who worked all there life, paid taxes and now have to live on less than 15k a year. You know that thing called a pension. Should they be punished because they weren't able to study? They do get punished. I am sure my late Mum would have loved to have had $40k or even $36k without the frankng credits a year to live off but she didn't. She didn't have the option to study. So she had no options. But an extra $4k in pension would have made a massive difference
The current system does not look after these people. It never has and is unlikely to in the future.
Don't get me started on the under funded NDIS. One of my brother-in-law has been waiting for his 2019 NDIS funding to be signed off since last November. It's constantly being delayed because of lack funding. Facts are it has been decimated over the last 3 years. And who knows what happens with it next?
It's easy to say we need to have system that looks after the "true underprivileged" but the system as it stands doesn't And hasn't for a very long time
Maybe one day we will again start consider what's best for "the true underprivileged" first. Once upon a time we did, we don't anymore
My mum and dad came to Australia in 1955. They were married only two years earlier. They sold any furniture they had to buy tickets to come here. They arrived with a small suitcase each. They worked their backsides off and sacrificed everything to build a future for their family. Never got any handouts from the government. Never went on any overseas holidays or even interstate holidays. Neither spent a cent on alcohol or cigarettes for many years. That is sacrifice. Dad passed two years ago. Mum is 88 and is still independent. Still spends money on private health insurance for herself. She can hardly walk but still perseveres. Why should she have lost 10 percent of her income? No wonder Labor lost. The very people that were their heart and soul have been deserted by them. Instead of looking after the worker who gives his all they have become slaves to the Greens whose policies will not make one iota of difference to climate change. Labor has lost the plot.
One of the problems with the NDIS is the number of people who shouldn’t be receiving any help are taking away the funding from those who truly need it. Too much money is also lost in red tape too. We need to be smarter at the way we utilise resources rather than splashing more money at them. The same goes on hospitals in general. The amount of administrative staff is ridiculous and they all receive a decent salary. Gone are the days of administration consisting of a medical superintendent and their deputy, the head of nursing and her secretary. Now we have the CEO and their entourage as well as a huge Human Resources sector. That is not where we want to see the health dollar spent.
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where have the labor voters disappeared too? :lol :lol So typical. As soon as the party suffers a devastating blow they are nowhere to be seen. Must still be crying in the corner and blaming queenslanders or others except themselves.
Phelps gone up in wentworth so that makes 75.
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Dave Sharma tossing out Phelps is one of the biggest wins of this election.
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The Watermelon Greens not losing any seats was a bad result...seeing those dangerous idiots destroyed would've gone a long way to restoring sanity in the nation's politics... :shh
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where have the labor voters disappeared too? :lol :lol So typical. As soon as the party suffers a devastating blow they are nowhere to be seen. Must still be crying in the corner and blaming queenslanders or others except themselves.
Phelps gone up in wentworth so that makes 75.
Certainly not crying. Disappointed in the result yes but crying definitely not.
Had a chance to improve so many things to make life better for others but the majority has "no, that's not we want" so we move on
Proud to say I stuck to the principles I have my entire life and that was not "What's in it for me " for me but what's going to be best for those who rely on us to make things better for them. So yes I voted Labour, funny though personally probably better off under the coalition but that wasn't important to me
I supported and voted a fully funded NDIS, better deal for pensioners, better child care, better funding for schools and cancer treatments being fully covered under Medicare. Things that would make things better for others not me.
As I said the majority has said no to those things and being a democracy you accept it move on. You don't have to like it but you accept it.
This election has taught me a few things about where we sit as a nation right now.The vitriolic rants I've read on social media are scary, attacking people because they have different opinions and it is so sad. I will confess that's the most disappointing thing of all.
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This election has taught me a few things about where we sit as a nation right now. The vitriolic rants I've read on social media are scary and it is so sad. I will confess that's the most disappointing thing of all.
Mainly eminating from the far-left.... :shh
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This election has taught me a few things about where we sit as a nation right now. The vitriolic rants I've read on social media are scary and it is so sad. I will confess that's the most disappointing thing of all.
Mainly eminating from the far-left.... :shh
Argh no....
Some of the coalition side have been worse. A few things directed at me have been disgusting
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What have they said to you WP?
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Your personal experience isn't the whole internet...in fact it's pretty much the opposite, both sides may engage in abuse but only one does it with impunity and as seemingly standard practice...also it was fairly clear where the majority of the violence and vitriol in real life came from during the election and it wasn't the right let me tell you........:shh
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Im just glad we dont have the little union prick running the show
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Your personal experience isn't the whole internet...in fact it's pretty much the opposite, both sides may engage in abuse but only one does it with impunity and as seemingly standard practice...also it was fairly clear where the majority of the violence and vitriol in real life came from during the election and it wasn't the right let me tell you........:shh
Did I say my personal experience was? No I didn't but the vitriol came from both sides that cannot be disputed
Funny the left says the right was worse and the right says the left was worse
I have friends on the right who copped it and I defended them
Abuse for the sake of it is just wrong from either side
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Im just glad we dont have the little union prick running the show
Yeah but now we get Albo or Plibedud taking over. Those freaks are even more left...:shh Imagine if they get up in a few years time.....:shh :shh
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Im just glad we dont have the little union prick running the show
Yeah but now we get Albo or Plibedud taking over. Those freaks are even more left... :shh Imagine if they get up in a few years time..... :shh :shh
Tanya Plibersek has announced she is not running.
Personally I would like Penny Wong to run for Labor leader.
:thumbsup
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No surprise that tanya pulled out. Saved her husband the embarassment of his past catching up with him.
what taste she has in men. Billy Shorten and that criminal husband
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While the leftists emote the rest of us just vote.... :shh
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'65's imploding. :lol
:cheers
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where have the labor voters disappeared too? :lol :lol So typical. As soon as the party suffers a devastating blow they are nowhere to be seen. Must still be crying in the corner and blaming queenslanders or others except themselves.
Phelps gone up in wentworth so that makes 75.
Certainly not crying. Disappointed in the result yes but crying definitely not.
Had a chance to improve so many things to make life better for others but the majority has "no, that's not we want" so we move on
Proud to say I stuck to the principles I have my entire life and that was not "What's in it for me " for me but what's going to be best for those who rely on us to make things better for them. So yes I voted Labour, funny though personally probably better off under the coalition but that wasn't important to me
I supported and voted a fully funded NDIS, better deal for pensioners, better child care, better funding for schools and cancer treatments being fully covered under Medicare. Things that would make things better for others not me.
As I said the majority has said no to those things and being a democracy you accept it move on. You don't have to like it but you accept it.
This election has taught me a few things about where we sit as a nation right now.The vitriolic rants I've read on social media are scary, attacking people because they have different opinions and it is so sad. I will confess that's the most disappointing thing of all.
I agree WP.
Israel Falou has an opinion too and just posted a quote from a religious book he actually believes in but he now doesn’t have a job and if you listen to the social commentary, he is the worst person since hitler. Only because he actually believes what is says in the bible and felt to quote it on his own Instagram page to the people that follow him.
Bill Shorten using religious beliefs as an agenda bringing up the Falou post and using it to try to bring down Scomo was the worst thing I’ve ever seen in the lead up to an election.
Like you, I’m glad to see the end Shorten and hopefully he will, like Rudd and Gillard before him, leave politics altogether. :rollin
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'65's imploding. :lol
:cheers
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:cheers
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where have the labor voters disappeared too? :lol :lol So typical. As soon as the party suffers a devastating blow they are nowhere to be seen. Must still be crying in the corner and blaming queenslanders or others except themselves.
Phelps gone up in wentworth so that makes 75.
Certainly not crying. Disappointed in the result yes but crying definitely not.
Had a chance to improve so many things to make life better for others but the majority has "no, that's not we want" so we move on
Proud to say I stuck to the principles I have my entire life and that was not "What's in it for me " for me but what's going to be best for those who rely on us to make things better for them. So yes I voted Labour, funny though personally probably better off under the coalition but that wasn't important to me
I supported and voted a fully funded NDIS, better deal for pensioners, better child care, better funding for schools and cancer treatments being fully covered under Medicare. Things that would make things better for others not me.
As I said the majority has said no to those things and being a democracy you accept it move on. You don't have to like it but you accept it.
This election has taught me a few things about where we sit as a nation right now.The vitriolic rants I've read on social media are scary, attacking people because they have different opinions and it is so sad. I will confess that's the most disappointing thing of all.
so if i understand what you are trying to get at. You insinuate those who voted libs did it because of some sort of benefit only they receive?
You think thats why labor lost and libs won? Nothing to do with the most pathetic leader i can remember ever put up, who based an election on a socialist mentality. Us vrs them rich vrs poor was incredible viewing, and its no wonder even after Turncoat left, he could never bridge the gap to Scomo as preferred PM. The swings were not there as they expected, because people saw through his bs. Shorten and his friends will forever be known as the people who said to the voters work hard so you are not reliant on the aged pension, and we will tax you anyway we can. Smart move :lol :lol You have a guy like bowen who couldnt even tell a reporter what the tax free threshold was and you expect voters to trust this mob to run a tax agenda?
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where have the labor voters disappeared too? :lol :lol So typical. As soon as the party suffers a devastating blow they are nowhere to be seen. Must still be crying in the corner and blaming queenslanders or others except themselves.
Phelps gone up in wentworth so that makes 75.
Certainly not crying. Disappointed in the result yes but crying definitely not.
Had a chance to improve so many things to make life better for others but the majority has "no, that's not we want" so we move on
Proud to say I stuck to the principles I have my entire life and that was not "What's in it for me " for me but what's going to be best for those who rely on us to make things better for them. So yes I voted Labour, funny though personally probably better off under the coalition but that wasn't important to me
I supported and voted a fully funded NDIS, better deal for pensioners, better child care, better funding for schools and cancer treatments being fully covered under Medicare. Things that would make things better for others not me.
As I said the majority has said no to those things and being a democracy you accept it move on. You don't have to like it but you accept it.
This election has taught me a few things about where we sit as a nation right now.The vitriolic rants I've read on social media are scary, attacking people because they have different opinions and it is so sad. I will confess that's the most disappointing thing of all.
Cancer treatments being fully funded? Sorry WP, but what world are you living in? I know several oncologists. None were asked if they would like to have there fees fixed and organised by the government. There would be several constitutional laws that would need to change so that people would be forced to have there fees totally controlled by the government. So if they could still charge what they thought was adequate compensation, how could the government say it was fully funded?
That was just another feel good fluff piece by the opposition trying to lie their way into government. Once again the public saw through their bs.
Labor is totally losing the plot. They may as well change their colours to a green because they have absolutely lost the working man.
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so if i understand what you are trying to get at. You insinuate those who voted libs did it because of some sort of benefit only they receive?
You think thats why labor lost and libs won
No
I gave the reason why I voted the way I did. I know a number of people (Including family) who voted the way did based solely on which party would give them the best benefits.
As for others, don't know and don't really care. People make choices and they have to live with them. Said it before we move on. The next 3 years will be interesting
Nothing to do with the most pathetic leader i can remember ever put up, who based an election on a socialist mentality. Us vrs them rich vrs poor was incredible viewing, and its no wonder even after Turncoat left, he could never bridge the gap to Scomo as preferred PM. The swings were not there as they expected, because people saw through his bs. Shorten and his friends will forever be known as the people who said to the voters work hard so you are not reliant on the aged pension, and we will tax you anyway we can. Smart move :lol :lol You have a guy like bowen who couldnt even tell a reporter what the tax free threshold was and you expect voters to trust this mob to run a tax agenda?
Funny I remember somewhere in this thread you said Gillard was the worst :lol
Don't know how to break this to you but this country has been divided "us -v- them", "rich -v- poor" for a very long time.
Politicians from both sides have been preaching division for ages and guess what we get division which we have now. In the last 10 years one of the worst has been the bloke who got turfed out on his backside on Saturday
Interested to know what you mean re your comment "Tax you anyway we can" . What in particular? Franking credits, negative gearing or the non existent death tax? Because you know the death tax was posted on FB so that one had to be true ;D
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Cancer treatments being fully funded? Sorry WP, but what world are you living in? I know several oncologists. None were asked if they would like to have there fees fixed and organised by the government. There would be several constitutional laws that would need to change so that people would be forced to have there fees totally controlled by the government. So if they could still charge what they thought was adequate compensation, how could the government say it was fully funded?
That was just another feel good fluff piece by the opposition trying to lie their way into government. Once again the public saw through their bs.
Labor is totally losing the plot. They may as well change their colours to a green because they have absolutely lost the working man.
So I'm right in assuming you didn't vote Labor ;D
So am I right to suggest in your view they didn't have one decent policy?
End of the day...
We believe what we want it believe Andy by extension we beleive what we know to be true.
I'll leave it at that :thumbsup
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so if i understand what you are trying to get at. You insinuate those who voted libs did it because of some sort of benefit only they receive?
You think thats why labor lost and libs won
No
I gave the reason why I voted the way I did. I know a number of people (Including family) who voted the way did based solely on which party would give them the best benefits.
As for others, don't know and don't really care. People make choices and they have to live with them. Said it before we move on. The next 3 years will be interesting
Nothing to do with the most pathetic leader i can remember ever put up, who based an election on a socialist mentality. Us vrs them rich vrs poor was incredible viewing, and its no wonder even after Turncoat left, he could never bridge the gap to Scomo as preferred PM. The swings were not there as they expected, because people saw through his bs. Shorten and his friends will forever be known as the people who said to the voters work hard so you are not reliant on the aged pension, and we will tax you anyway we can. Smart move :lol :lol You have a guy like bowen who couldnt even tell a reporter what the tax free threshold was and you expect voters to trust this mob to run a tax agenda?
Funny I remember somewhere in this thread you said Gillard was the worst :lol
Don't know how to break this to you but this country has been divided "us -v- them", "rich -v- poor" for a very long time.
Politicians from both sides have been preaching division for ages and guess what we get division which we have now. In the last 10 years one of the worst has been the bloke who got turfed out on his backside on Saturday
Interested to know what you mean re your comment "Tax you anyway we can" . What in particular? Franking credits, negative gearing or the non existent death tax? Because you know the death tax was posted on FB so that one had to be true ;D
Sorry this was different, and you know it. They had a socialist agenda that veered too far left and it sensationally backfired.
Death tax was a crock of poo, thats not what i was talking about as i never heard any of them mention it. The other tax grabbing initiatives were a disgrace, effectively telling the voters dont bother investing because you are rich and we are out to get you. They tried and failed to convince tradies that there dependants/partners now have to pay min 30% tax on distributions, so suck it up and pay it, or pay an accountant to wind it up and start again. How about the unfortunate people who recently set up super funds were not being grandfathered for franking credit purposes, but others were :lol I personally had no issue with franking credits removal, IF it didnt affect the low income earners who were NOT receiving the aged pension. What i hated was they didnt allow a self funded low income retiree the same GF benefits as a pensioner, instead they were labelled by some as rorting the system. You cant give a chop out to some retirees and not others when the net income is the same or less in some cases.
The alp thought they could tax their way to an election victory, but thankfully the australian people were not that stupid.
Yes Gillard was the worst...............UNTIL this loser stepped up to the plate then he become numero uno.
Can i add albo has already flagged he will dismiss the tax grabbing agenda and listen to its voters so thats a good start. :thumbsup I also think some of those things you mentioned (ndis and childcare)are very important so i hope some money is directed there soon.
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Cancer treatments being fully funded? Sorry WP, but what world are you living in? I know several oncologists. None were asked if they would like to have there fees fixed and organised by the government. There would be several constitutional laws that would need to change so that people would be forced to have there fees totally controlled by the government. So if they could still charge what they thought was adequate compensation, how could the government say it was fully funded?
That was just another feel good fluff piece by the opposition trying to lie their way into government. Once again the public saw through their bs.
Labor is totally losing the plot. They may as well change their colours to a green because they have absolutely lost the working man.
So I'm right in assuming you didn't vote Labor ;D
So am I right to suggest in your view they didn't have one decent policy?
End of the day...
We believe what we want it believe Andy by extension we beleive what we know to be true.
I'll leave it at that :thumbsup
My dad always voted labor. Mum generally voted liberal. I am a product of their environment. I have voted for labor in the past but they have changed a lot. Ever since they have felt they have needed the Green vote they have forgotten about the people they are supposed to represent. The libs have been far more consistent. They don't play class wars anywhere near as hard as labor. They give incentives to those who want to get ahead. They don't want to punish those who want to work harder.
I never said they didn't have a single decent policy too.
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Yes Gillard was the worst...............UNTIL this loser stepped up to the plate then he become numero uno.
Shorten made Gillard look like Maggie Thatcher... :shh
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The election results haven't been finalised and we are already being told we might have to wait 12 months for the promised tax cuts.
I expect an economic downturn over the next year will mean we will be told that we can't afford the tax cuts.
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The election results haven't been finalised and we are already being told we might have to wait 12 months for the promised tax cuts.
I expect an economic downturn over the next year will mean we will be told that we can't afford the tax cuts.
Noted
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So WP is the only labor voter prepared to show up on here?? :lol
Disappeared like a fart in the wind they have
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The election results haven't been finalised and we are already being told we might have to wait 12 months for the promised tax cuts.
I expect an economic downturn over the next year will mean we will be told that we can't afford the tax cuts.
In other news the senate look like blocking the cuts......
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So WP is the only labor voter prepared to show up on here?? :lol
Disappeared like a fart in the wind they have
I'm still here. And still fighting the good fight.
:cheers
Which fight is that? The one for the worker or rhe one for the Greens? They aren't necessarily the same. Labor's challenge is to look after both and they haven't done that for a long time.
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The fight against inter-generational inequality.
The fight for real action on climate change.
The fight for a fully funded NDIS.
The fight against greed (think unsustainable franking credits and unfair negative gearing).
:cheers
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we hope bowen and co keep fighting that good fight you just you just mentioned, especially the last one, because it means the greens/alp will not be in government for 6 years, min
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So WP is the only labor voter prepared to show up on here?? :lol
Disappeared like a fart in the wind they have
I'm still here. And still fighting the good fight.
:cheers
so you are a labor voter now? Case in point. alp voters are greenys and vice versa
the fight is over buddy and you were wrong yet again
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The fight against inter-generational inequality.
The fight for real action on climate change.
The fight for a fully funded NDIS.
The fight against greed (think unsustainable franking credits and unfair negative gearing).
:cheers
What is unfair is telling people that this is what you can live on in your retirement and then changing the rules and asking for a portion of that back with those people unable to do anything about it.....
As for the NDIS, Scott Morrison at least would have personal experience with it as his brother in law has MS and requires assistance from the NDIS....
And Scott Morrison at least would know how hard it is as a hardworking family as his parents were too poor to own their own home and as a kid, he and his family lived with his Aunt.....
Compare that to the current Chardonnay socialists of the Labor party......
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The election results haven't been finalised and we are already being told we might have to wait 12 months for the promised tax cuts.
I expect an economic downturn over the next year will mean we will be told that we can't afford the tax cuts.
In other news the senate look like blocking the cuts......
Yeah the senate is an interesting
Don't think we will know for weeks the final line up
But what we do know is No Clive (maybe now he can pay his workers from his failed nickel mine their entitlements) and most lilely no Hinch
Love him or hate him; he did some good work especially around the Sex offenders register :clapping
Back to the tax cuts, perhaps if they were giving a bigger cut to lowest income earners then they might a chance ;)
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The fight against inter-generational inequality.
The fight for real action on climate change.
The fight for a fully funded NDIS.
The fight against greed (think unsustainable franking credits and unfair negative gearing).
:cheers
What is unfair is telling people that this is what you can live on in your retirement and then changing the rules and asking for a portion of that back with those people unable to do anything about it.....
As for the NDIS, Scott Morrison at least would have personal experience with it as his brother in law has MS and requires assistance from the NDIS....
And Scott Morrison at least would know how hard it is as a hardworking family as his parents were too poor to own their own home and as a kid, he and his family lived with his Aunt.....
Compare that to the current Chardonnay socialists of the Labor party......
You need to move on from the election.
:cheers
(https://i.imgur.com/dTcAHZc.jpg.)
:shh
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The meltdowns from the left on twitter are stuffing hilarious...they truly are an unbalanced and mentally disturbed mob.... :shh
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Revenge of the drips....:shh
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As for the NDIS, Scott Morrison at least would have personal experience with it as his brother in law has MS and requires assistance from the NDIS....
If he understands it so well from personal experience then why did he cut funding to it while Treasurer and also allowed his Treasurer to do the same? ;D
Compare that to the current Chardonnay socialists of the Labor party......
I am not a socialist but I certainly like a good Chardonnay :rollin
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That makes 76, and Bass will make it 77.
Good luck tying to catch those seats in 3 years if those choose Bowen who played a big part in this loss.
so out of his depth this guy its not funny
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The meltdowns from the left on twitter are stuffing hilarious...they truly are an unbalanced and mentally disturbed mob.... :shh
gee its been incredible hasnt it?
they still dont understand why they lost, instead would rather label the voters as being dumb or "in it for themselves" :banghead
i watched q&a last night for the first time in years, just to have a laugh, and that i got. Its the gift that keeps on giving the alp.
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>:(d
That makes 76, and Bass will make it 77.
Good luck tying to catch those seats in 3 years if those choose Bowen who played a big part in this loss.
so out of his depth this guy its not funny
Bowen won't win.
Albo a shoe in
i watched q&a last night for the first time in years, just to have a laugh, and that i got. Its the gift that keeps on giving the alp.
Actually I did too.
Christopher Pyne always makes me laugh and the journo from the Australian was good for a giggle too.
Jim Chalmers was clueless
However, Alan Jones still lying and refusing to accept any responsibility for his appalling treatment of Gillard. It doesn't matter what you think of her, some of the things he said while she was PM were disgraceful. He would never say and has never said the same things about other PMs. A vile human being
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"Died of shame" was a classic. You have to admit that it was bloody funny.
Love Alan Jones. He's a national treasure
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"Died of shame" was a classic. You have to admit that it was bloody funny.
Love Alan Jones. He's a national treasure
Arrested in a London urinal..mmm wonder what he was doing.
Writing love letters to junior Rubgy players.
Yes Gloria is a national treasure.
:lol
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"Died of shame" was a classic. You have to admit that it was bloody funny.
Love Alan Jones. He's a national treasure
Arrested in a London urinal..mmm wonder what he was doing.
Writing love letters to junior Rubgy players.
Yes Gloria is a national treasure.
:lol
Bad boys need love too.
Hope you treat all people equally, rogerd.... :shh
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Thanks Dutts. Another great conservative
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/rita-panahi-peter-duttons-crusade-made-the-coalitions-election-win-possible/news-story/ab6e1249c8478e5e39aae95a5d66867c
Scott Morrison has achieved the most astonishing victory in modern Australian politics. Forget 1993, this was the unwinnable election, it was going to take a miracle and a miracle is what we got.
One man who hasn’t received the credit he deserves for saving the country from the most Left-wing government in a generation is Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton. If Dutton hadn’t had the courage to challenge then prime minister and Liberal impostor Malcolm Turnbull, there would have been no famous Morrison victory.
If not for Dutton’s courageous intervention, Bill Shorten would be prime minister, probably with a thumping majority and a mandate to implement a raft of hard-Left policies. Instead, the Labor Party has been left defeated, demoralised and forced to pick a new leader from a group who could best be described as mediocre.
It was telling that, in his acceptance speech on Saturday night, Morrison made a point of mentioning Tony Abbott’s decisive victory in 2013 but made no mention of Malcolm Turnbull or his one-seat win in 2016.
If not for Peter Dutton’s courageous intervention, Bill Shorten would be prime minister. Picture: AAP
Every Coalition MP, member and voter should say a little thank you to Dutton for facilitating the dumping of the worst Liberal prime minister since William McMahon. Turnbull was not only a toxic, divisive figure in the Liberal Party but under his leadership the Coalition was fractured and was bracing for massive losses in Queensland that could not be recovered elsewhere — until Queenslander Dutton made the bold decision to challenge in August.
Dutton also withstood a vicious hate campaign to increase his margin in the marginal seat of Dickson, despite Leftist activists GetUp! devoting enormous resources in an attempt to defeat him.
Meanwhile, the Prime Minister ran a disciplined, rational campaign to defeat Labor’s grievance politics. The politics of envy employed by Labor is usually a reliable vote winner and yet Shorten still managed to fail.
The Australian people rejected Labor’s class warfare, climate madness and identity politics. Shorten and his Labor cohorts ran a disgracefully divisive campaign, one that sought to divide the country along class lines. They sought to punish those who work the hardest and contribute the most. They wanted to penalise self-funded retirees, who for decades saved and sacrificed so they could be self-sufficient in retirement. They tried to demonise property investors as greedy and forgot that it’s typically average income earners, not the “big end of town”, who use bricks and mortar to build wealth and provide financial security for their family.
Labor’s foolhardy negative gearing, franking credits and climate change policies were appealing to economic illiterates but alienated average Australians. In its efforts to paint aspirational Australians as greedy, Labor turned off scores of potential voters.
“If you don’t like our policies, don’t vote for us,” advised the architect of Labor’s economic policies, Chris Bowen. On Saturday scores of Australians who would have otherwise voted Labor took Bowen’s
In the aftermath of this most famous of Coalition victories, let’s not forget the antics of the Turnbull camp. The bitterness they have shown has been nothing short of extraordinary. And, yet the only thing they achieved was to tarnish Malcolm Turnbull’s legacy and show the country just why the Liberals had to dump Mal, who must now be expelled from the party.
Among the sweetest victories for the Liberals are Greg Hunt’s comfortable win in Flinders where a well-funded campaign by “independent” GetUp! and Alex Turnbull candidate Julia Banks failed abysmally.
The seat of Chisholm that the feckless Banks abandoned has also remained Liberal. Late on Tuesday, the electoral authority called the result in favour of the Liberals’ Gladys Liu, ahead of Labor candidate Jennifer Yang. It was a remarkable effort and further evidence that Banks’ claims that constituents had deserted the party due to Turnbull’s dumping was nothing more than wishful thinking. How refreshing to see the large Chinese populations in Chisholm and Menzies reject Labor’s reckless “parent visa” policy that was designed to secure their votes.
Not only has the Coalition triumphed but they have largely purged themselves of the small “l” liberals who caused so much damage to the party under Turnbull’s reign. The bedwetters are gone, the base is back. It’s worth noting that, to this day, most of the Canberra press gallery has no idea what the base is. Here’s a hint: it ain’t doctors’ wives in South Yarra or Mascot. It is middle Australians, who are aspirational and inherently conservative in their values. The base doesn’t take to the streets to protest or fill Twitter with delusional emoting.
Morrison’s “quiet Australians” are sensible, decent folk who are focused on their families, not political activism. They love their country and want to protect its values and though they do not obsess about ideological wars, they resent the intrusion of political correctness into their lives. They care about energy prices more than emissions, they want secure borders and a decent standard of living.
There are three lessons the media can learn from the election: Twitter isn’t real life, centre-Right voters have followed the US and UK trend of deliberately misleading pollsters and the Coalition prospers when it has a strong conservative leader.
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"Died of shame" was a classic. You have to admit that it was bloody funny.
Love Alan Jones. He's a national treasure
No, "died of shame" was not a classic and it was not funny. It was pathetic, degrading and morally bankrupt.
But you may applaud it but doubt you'd think it was so fantastic if he said it about Trump, Assange or even ScoMO
He is a vile human being.
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Haven't liked Alan Jones since he sided with James Hird on the Essendrugs fiasco.... :shh
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"Died of shame" was a classic. You have to admit that it was bloody funny.
Love Alan Jones. He's a national treasure
No, "died of shame" was not a classic and it was not funny. It was pathetic, degrading and morally bankrupt.
But you may applaud it but doubt you'd think it was so fantastic if he said it about Trump, Assange or even ScoMO
He is a vile human being.
Poor taste but hilariously funny.
Just a good Aussie larrikan :thumbsup
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/quiet-australians-heard-loud-and-clear-in-coalition-election-win/news-story/ef35d1bcd3f4f975376e195555180958
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/quiet-australians-heard-loud-and-clear-in-coalition-election-win/news-story/ef35d1bcd3f4f975376e195555180958 (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/quiet-australians-heard-loud-and-clear-in-coalition-election-win/news-story/ef35d1bcd3f4f975376e195555180958)
:shh
Given that this is behind a pay wall makes me think that you subscribe to the Australian.
And doesn't that say a lot just in itself.
:lol
One of the better papers going around. I guess you only watch the ABC whose vitriol on Sunday was absolutely disgraceful.
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YBB,
why are you bothering with this bloke?
he's hurt and feeling real pain. don't make him feel any worse....:shh
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Yep. To be fair at least he showed up. Where are the rest of the supporters???
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'65's a typical entitled leftist who thinks everything should be free....having said that there are plenty of free programs out there that enable you to circumvent paywalls... :shh
Anyway, not holding my breath waiting for our resident old socialist spammer to post a link to this all too rare sensible article from The Age that spells out a few home truths for Labor...so I'll do it myself:
https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/the-election-s-ultimate-lesson-is-about-mainstream-australian-values-20190520-p51pf3.html
:cheers
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Your deflection & arrogant, dismissive reply only proves the articles point just as I knew it reliably would..... :shh
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Well I'm flattered but to be honest one doesn't need to be all that clever to work you out or predict your replies..... :shh
:cheers
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I see Melissa Price (the environment minister in hiding) is unlikely to retain her position even though ScoMo said she would.
Not sure if this was a broken promise or an outright lie.
A broken promise maybe because we all know ScoMo doesn't lie. (does he)
:lol
Name me a politician who does not lie on either side of politics.
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Gee he is cut deep
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Using trendy Seppo terms like "playbook" is year 9 level... :shh
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Gee he is cut deep
Might delete his account at this rate...... :shh
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I see Melissa Price (the environment minister in hiding) is unlikely to retain her position even though ScoMo said she would.
Not sure if this was a broken promise or an outright lie.
A broken promise maybe because we all know ScoMo doesn't lie. (does he)
:lol
Name me a politician who does not lie on either side of politics.
It's Ok because everybody is doing it?
Right out of the Yr 9 playbook.
:lol
You are now putting words in my mouth. When did I say that it was OK? I asked you a question which you refused to answer but just msde an insult.
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This bloke is imploding :lol
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Even so I have no obligation to answer a question asked. This is not a classroom.
You sound just like Billy boy and his comrades during the campaign whenever they were asked a hard question ....and you wonder why they lost... :shh
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have you met a bigger bunch of sore losers than than this labor greeny lot.
Clementine ford gee wiz what a fruitloop
makes the victory all the more sweeter when they were so sure they would win easily.
Today we had billy vouching for bowen and by cob bowen pulls out. hahah what a rabble they are
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I'm not surprised there's absolutely no discussion on here how labour blatantly lied to everyone during the election and no one on here batting an eye.
All the labour supporters on here just let this crap go straight through the to the keeper.
ive got to say I'm not surprised by this silence. :rollin
Tell me it wasn't part of the Libs agenda.
The heat went on and they back peddled as quick as they could. Just like state income taxes and a 15% GST.
And thats not to mention all the lies the Libs have told in the past. $100 roasts etc.
All of which had no foundation in truth at all.
FFS give a break.
Bit of anger in your posts. A decision must be looming :shh
A good election to lose.
Economy stuffed and the Senate is stuffed.
Nats want more power and Bernadi is setting up his own party. Not to mention Tony Rabbit lurking in the dark.
Not angry at all, looking foward to the chaos.
It's just like being a Richmond supporter.
:lol
classic 65 this post back in 2016.
for a guy who claims he loves the labor party you sure want them to lose a lot.
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Hey now '65's just "fighting the good fight".....by spamming a footy forum with links to MSM articles... :shh
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The funniest thing is what's happening with the Adani mining project up in Queensland. The premier there, Annastasia Palaszczuk, said she was frustrated by the delays in the project and is demanding to get it back on track soon. The funny part is that it is her own Government that has caused the very delays that she's mad about!!!!! The Greens have once again been controlling the Labor party. This coal mining project is probably the main reason why Shorten lost Queensland and thus the election. Had Shorten won, I'm sure she wouldn't have come out today with this message.
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Be scared be very scared.
https://theconversation.com/five-aspects-of-pentecostalism-that-shed-light-on-scott-morrisons-politics-117511 (https://theconversation.com/five-aspects-of-pentecostalism-that-shed-light-on-scott-morrisons-politics-117511)
Are you serious? That is the biggest fluff piece I have read in a long while. Full of suppositions and drawing the longest of bows to make links with Morrison. You should be ashamed of even publishing that link. What a lot of poo!
We have an unashamed Christian as a Prime Minister. What the hell is wrong with that? A man who had to fight hard to get to where he is. A man who has experienced personal challenges. Even conceiving children was very difficult and he and his wife had to go through the extremely difficult emotional rollercoaster called IVF to get their two beautiful girls.
And you stand behind your keyboard and link crap pieces like that? In the words of Derryn Hinch, shame, shame, shame!!!! :shh
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65 is imploding :lol
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Do you really think your hysterical diatribes will stop the truth being told.
Morrison is dangerous, end of story.
You are starting to sound like you belong to a cult. Right now we have a cult of massive proportions called the Greens. People are protesting about climate change like we can actually do something about it here in Australia. All the scientific evidence that exists says we cannot do anything here.
Why don't these protesters go to China and India and protest there? If they want to make a real difference got to the places that actually could possibly make a difference to climate change.
In other news the Queensland state Labor Government has approved fast tracking the Adani mining project. So what is it with Labor? I do not know where they stand anymore. On one hand they align themselves with the Greens and on the other hand they approve of a mining project that will send zillions of tons of coal to India for them to burn. So where do you stand on this ol'65?
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The left: Oh no be scared - the PM's a Christian!!! He's dangerous!!!
Also the left : Stop Islamophobia!!! Bring back the ISIS kiddies!!!
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65 for a guy who doesn't really care about the result you are sounding like a little whinging girl just like the rest of the leftists
Your tears and others like you are making this win even more sweeter.
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I just discovered there’s a politics thread on the forum! Anyway in solidarity, 65 And WP I voted labor too. I can only vote for who I believe in based on my own experiences. I grew up in the housing commission in the north Richmond housing estate. My dad lost his left eye when I was 7 and needed an operation which thank god for Medicare we didn’t have to pay any expenses for it.
We always voted for Lindsay tanner and Richard Wynne because mum still lives in the housing commission and the ALP have consistently put something on the table so my mum can still get by.
I have friends which work as school teachers and have only gotten a break under the Andrews govt. I’m not saying I’m not biased far from it but I can only vote for who I feel morally compelled to support and I would say myself and my circle of friends and family are all busting a gut working 70+ hrs a week just to try and “be rewarded” for the hard work. Meanwhile university funding gets cut, the age of retirement goes up, weekend penalty rates are abolished and there has been no real wage increase relative to the sharp rise in cost of living and housing in Melbourne under the LNP.
So I unashamedly will fly the flag for the ALP because I think they support the working class a lot better than the LNP currently does
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I voted left.
I know we are a small population and contributor to climate change, however we are a developed country and I want to see us lead by example in this area. It's important to me. Washing our hands off the issue because we are 'too small' is shameful and unaustralian in my honest opinion.
Was also in favour of getting rid of negative gearing, ideally in favour of increased voluntary reduced tax superannuation contributions, so that older generations will stop pushing younger ones out of the property market by self-funding their retirement will poor investments (which technically is what negative gearing is, before a ridiculous tax incentive...).
At the end of the day, neither wing is an overly inspiring choice for leadership though...
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Franking credits will be Morrison's downfall.
53 billion reasons why it may well be ;D :rollin
Oh and BTW don't know how to break it to people but franking credits are a govt handout, I know those who receive dispute it saying it's not. But anytime you receive tax free $$$ form any government in your hand (bank acct) it is a handout. Just saying
What's been funny the last few days is after the election people seem to reading the fine print on a number of policies, or looking at the ones they weren't aware of.
Next April when the annual increases on our private health insurance premiums go up by another 4-6%, people better not sook, becasue you voted for it. If you read the Fin. Review on Tuesday you'll know why :rollin
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Franking credits will be Morrison's downfall.
53 billion reasons why it may well be ;D :rollin
Oh and BTW don't know how to break it to people but franking credits are a govt handout, I know those who receive dispute it saying it's not. But anytime you receive tax free $$$ form any government it is a handout. Just stating a fact.
What's been funny the last few days is after the election people seem to reading the fine print on a number of policies, or looking at the ones they weren't aware of.
Next April when the annual increases on our private health insurance premiums go up by another 4-6%, people better not sook, becasue you voted for it. If you read the Fin. Review on Tuesday you'll know why :rollin
The ACTUAL reason why health insurance is going up has nothing to do with the current Government. The real reason it continues to go up significantly is that people between the age of 35 to 50 are dropping out of it like flies. What that leaves is the majority of people with private health cover being over 50. That means the people who have it are the most likely to use it. Imagine if the majority of people with car insurance are the ones having accidents with those unlikely to have an accident choose not to have insurance. What do you think the premiums are going to be like? And as each year passes, more of those who are not having accidents decide that these rising premiums are not worth it and then drop out as well.....
The fact is that 60% of all elective surgery occurs in the private sector. Now imagine that the public sector which obviously does only 40% and struggles with that, has to deal with an additional 60%. The system will not be able to cope at all. That is why the private sector, where money from the insured subsidize the system, alleviates the pressure on the public system.
The more we can encourage the young and well to join up a private health fund the better. Even if we can give them discounts for having a healthy lifestyle in some way, having a BMI under 28 at least, not smoking etc etc, this will help the system.
If we can do that, the real needy people that are waiting on their hip joint in the public can get it much faster....
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WP seems to be wanting to join in on the whinging brigade. Already plotting Scomos downfall
when his party just destroyed the opposition. :lol :lol people voted get over it
People don't like facts YBB and what you have stated is spot on. I know many people who have stopped paying for it apart from my parents.
Why would a young person who earns less than the threshold keep it? Money best served on saving for their first home in my opinion
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Self funded their own retirement with poor investments? How can it be poor if they successfully self fund their own retirement?
I know a lot of younger kids who have bought their first house in areas like Melton. tarneit and St Andrews, endeavour hills. I also know others who can't afford it because they spend all their money on smashed avo trying to save for a house in Richmond, because they don't want to start at suburbs like I mentioned above. Then there's the lot who can't afford it due to stalling wages and circumstances beyond their control, ad for those I sympathise.
Rising property prices have gone up at this rate for 50 years, it's the lack of wage growth, cost of living which is the problem that affects affordability. Also immigration is a big factor but let's not go there hey. That's a left whingy and typical 65 conspiracy theory to blame retirees for the younger generation not being able to afford a house.
https://www.homely.com.au/news/property-news/australias-median-house-price-from-1970-2016
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WP seems to be wanting to join in on the whinging brigade. Already plotting Scomos downfall
when his party just destroyed the opposition. :lol :lol people voted get over it
People don't like facts YBB and what you have stated is spot on. I know many people who have stopped paying for it apart from my parents.
Why would a young person who earns less than the threshold keep it? Money best served on saving for their first home in my opinion
Nah, Frankie, just having some fun.
But can I add people have stop paying for it because they can't afford it. Why is that you reckon?
Govt give sign off on the annual increases. So they do indeed have an impact on the cost of Private Health insurance.
It's been well documented that the Private Health funds are over the moon with the election result. As I said read the policy fine print from both parties and you will see why.
If you want me to really push back on a number posts that I've read on here that has made me see red I can ;D but out respect I have chosen not to
But I do think as people who weren't aware of the Franking credit rebate prior to this election become aware of it and it's cost, it is over time going to become an issue for this government.
Why? Because as promises get broken (And they will because ALL govt break promises) and people see cuts to other services they will question whether it is a good policy, sustainable, affordable or fair.
I say this because I am of the opinion that outside of those who receive it and those professions that needed to know about it ; very few people had any idea about it.
If we can do that, the real needy people that are waiting on their hip joint in the public can get it much faster....
Yeah we can but it isn't that simple.
How can you expect people on $50$-70k, that is low income earners to take it out when they simply can't afford it? Wages have stagnated, average increases under EBAs are 2.5% per annum. Private Health on average the last 3 years has gone up by a minimum of 4%-5%. Where are people supposed to find the extra?
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The current franking credit system is unfair because if you pay tax then you get the dividend only (as you should). However, if you don't pay tax then you not only get the dividend but you also get freebie money courtesy of other taxpayers. So non-taxpaying shareholders receive more money than taxpaying shareholders :thumbsdown.
The imputation system was designed originally to prevent double taxation. That is the tax paid on company profits is the company tax rate - no more, no less. So if the company pays the full rate (fully franked) then if the dividend you receive is taxed again as part of your total taxable income then you get a tax credit to pay that 'second time' tax back. Thus you receive the full dividend as you should. If you have no taxable income and thus pay no tax then there's no reason you should get the tax credit. You already have the full dividend in your pocket.
The imputation system wasn't designed to gift freebie money to a few who think they are entitled "because we worked hard and paid tax all our lives" at the expense of the many who also work(ed) hard and paid tax all their lives. You are not self-funded if you're receiving this welfare ::). You should never have got this freebie money in the first place. Just another one of Howard's vote-buying middle-class welfare payments during the 00s credit and mining boom that the nation can no longer afford.
Being self-funded means you live off your own income AND investment assets which you sell when you need more cash. Of course, some adult kids of those receiving freebie money wouldn't like it taken away because if mummy and daddy have to eat into their investment assets then they also eat into these "kids"' inheritance :whistle. There's always self-interest in play with these things :yep.
Anyway, as experts and others here have mentioned. The current franking credit system is unsustainable. At $6 billion p.a. and rising, this is ripping off the majority of hard working taxpayers who have to make up the ever increasing shortfall.
Even if it remained at $6 billion, it would pay IN FULL for:
- a rail link to Tullamarine in one year.
- the N/E link in 2.5 years.
- Metro rail tunnel in 2 years.
- Even the whole suburban rail loop right around Melbourne could be paid for in just 8 years.
Don't whinge about road congestion in our cities and use migrants as scapegoats when the goverment is wasting billions and billions in tax dollars pandering to a few self-entitled freeloaders (4%).
Having said this, this illustrates where Labor failed tactically and thus politically. Shorten focused his election strategy on health and education. Noble and important but it stood out compared to Dan Andrews' state campaign which focused heavily on infrastructure as well as the other two.
Federal ALP hardly mentioned infrastructure nor came up with a similar program to Andrews that had a local focus. They could have used it to attack and offset the government's scare campaign as infrastructure appeals to across the political and geographical spectrum. They could have argued you can have freebie gifts for the small few and more of the ever growing congestion under this chaotic LNP government or remove the gifts that don't affect 96% of population and choose Labor's 'big build' for real action on congestion that benefits the majority. It worked in Victoria especially against the anti-skyrail LNP trolls that would pretend to be protesting locals in our area ::). If you want to make changes and take something away even if it was wrong in the first place then you have to offer something in return that appeals even more. It's what made Hawke 'consensus' style work. The Federal ALP was poor at this at this election and it cost them.
ps. Looking at the swings per seat, the franking credit & other tax changes Labor took to the election had little affect on the election result as affluent seats affected by these changes if Labor had won swung to Labor. It was more low income, low education and more strongly religious seats, that see "change" or "transition" of any form as a dirty word and something to fear, whose preferences swung to the LNP. When/If I get more time I'll post in depth why and it's not what either side of the politics thinks nor has addressed IMO. Hence, the primary vote of both major parties falling.
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The problem with your way of looking at the imputation system is that it does not take into account that the rules were laid out for all to see and people made decisions about their retirement with these rules in mind. Changing the rules now becomes a sort of retrospective "tax". If the rules were different then maybe people would have set up their self funded retirement differently. A better approach that many would have found much more palatable would have been to cap the amount that could be taken tax free. That way those that were on low income who weren't getting a lot of this as a tax credit wouldn't have been affected. Labor ignored its own constituent and went all in with this and paid the price. Another even better solution would have been to grandfather the system. Simple.
I also take offence at the way you classify some who worked hard and paid taxes as entitled because they are getting a freebie. They never broke any laws and just did what the Government allowed them to do. The Government wanted people to become less reliant on the pension because even though it's not huge money, it costs the government zillions because so many people are on it. The less people the better. And there is no more freebie than the pension itself of course. In some countries, the pension is given to all irrespective of your income. The reason being, if you have worked all your life and saved your money, why should you be given less by the government than someone who spent all their money or even didn't work that hard? As you can see there are different ways of looking at things and it's not necessarily self interest that dictates views.
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The left: Oh no be scared - the PM's a Christian!!! He's dangerous!!!
Also the left : Stop Islamophobia!!! Bring back the ISIS kiddies!!!
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:lol :rollin
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Economy looks like it is in trouble.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/rates-could-fall-as-low-as-0-5-percent-amid-warnings-of-gfc-like-slowdown-20190529-p51sdd.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/rates-could-fall-as-low-as-0-5-percent-amid-warnings-of-gfc-like-slowdown-20190529-p51sdd.html)
I’m sure Labor would have prevented that...... :rollin
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65 is imploding :lol
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Economy looks like it is in trouble.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/rates-could-fall-as-low-as-0-5-percent-amid-warnings-of-gfc-like-slowdown-20190529-p51sdd.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/rates-could-fall-as-low-as-0-5-percent-amid-warnings-of-gfc-like-slowdown-20190529-p51sdd.html)
I’m sure Labor would have prevented that...... :rollin
As usual you have missed the point.
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You didn't make a point. You put up a link and that's not a point..... :shh
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The problem with your way of looking at the imputation system is that it does not take into account that the rules were laid out for all to see and people made decisions about their retirement with these rules in mind. Changing the rules now becomes a sort of retrospective "tax". If the rules were different then maybe people would have set up their self funded retirement differently. A better approach that many would have found much more palatable would have been to cap the amount that could be taken tax free. That way those that were on low income who weren't getting a lot of this as a tax credit wouldn't have been affected. Labor ignored its own constituent and went all in with this and paid the price. Another even better solution would have been to grandfather the system. Simple.
I also take offence at the way you classify some who worked hard and paid taxes as entitled because they are getting a freebie. They never broke any laws and just did what the Government allowed them to do. The Government wanted people to become less reliant on the pension because even though it's not huge money, it costs the government zillions because so many people are on it. The less people the better. And there is no more freebie than the pension itself of course. In some countries, the pension is given to all irrespective of your income. The reason being, if you have worked all your life and saved your money, why should you be given less by the government than someone who spent all their money or even didn't work that hard? As you can see there are different ways of looking at things and it's not necessarily self interest that dictates views.
Correct. MT like those ALP trolls probably label these type of people as cheats who have rorted the system. The system is there so they took it. Perhaps it's best they didnt take advantage of it and instead hit up the aged pension. That would be a better option for our economy.
The reason the ALP lost is they tried to tax their way to victory and failed. They confused the voters with their arrogance.
MT doesnt seem to understand that a lot of those seats that swung the most were low income earners, and they are exactly the ones who stood to lose the most out of this so called rort.
Low Income Retirees should have been included in the exemption list, but ALP are not fit to run a country, so it's beyond them to think policies through.
Shorten ruined any large swings in Victoria. In fact if it wasn't for Andrews the Libs would have picked up an additional 5 seats IMO. He saved them from being whipped out for the next election too.
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The gift that keeps giving that's what the ALP are
I read this morning they are considering their legal options as the feel the seat of Chisholm was rigged :lol :lol
What a bunch of losers. Perhaps they can call up Robert Mueller or Hillary to investigate . They seem to have a lot in common with that lot.
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The gift that keeps giving that's what the ALP are
I read this morning they are considering their legal options as the feel the seat of Chisholm was rigged :lol :lol
What a bunch of losers. Perhaps they can call up Robert Mueller or Hillary to investigate . They seem to have a lot in common with that lot.
No point in doing anything, stupid if true
I wouldn't call it rigged but the tactics with the signs in Chinese, the colour as AEC signage were cheap nasty and desperate. But it worked. Terrific upstanding racists is the new member for Chisholm BTW
Having said that though, the above gutter tactics are nothing new from either side of politics and is just another example of what our lamentable political parties have become
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The gift that keeps giving that's what the ALP are
I read this morning they are considering their legal options as the feel the seat of Chisholm was rigged :lol :lol
What a bunch of losers. Perhaps they can call up Robert Mueller or Hillary to investigate . They seem to have a lot in common with that lot.
No point in doing anything, stupid if true
I wouldn't call it rigged but the tactics with the signs in Chinese, the colour as AEC signage were cheap nasty and desperate. But it worked. Terrific upstanding racists is the new member for Chisholm BTW
Having said that though, the above gutter tactics are nothing new from either side of politics and is just another example of what our lamentable political parties have become
Correct. In the recent state elections, the liberal candidate in the Box Hill area had propaganda sent out about him saying that he was a racist against Chinese. One such believer of this rang up Neil Mitchell and spouted that he deserved to lose because of this. Neil then asked him if he realised that the losing liberal candidate had a long term marriage with an Asian lady which was then met with deathly silence followed by a “no"........ :shh
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Racist (adj.) ray - sist A largely meaningless word favoured by leftists when losing a debate.
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The gift that keeps giving that's what the ALP are
I read this morning they are considering their legal options as the feel the seat of Chisholm was rigged :lol :lol
What a bunch of losers. Perhaps they can call up Robert Mueller or Hillary to investigate . They seem to have a lot in common with that lot.
Shorten is imploding. :lol
https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/bill-shorten-blames-corporate-leviathans-and-the-media-for-labor-s-shock-election-loss-20190530-p51sqt.html
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LMAO deluded little stuffer, all he has to do if he wants to know why he lost is look in the mirror
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Racist (adj.) ray - sist A largely meaningless word favoured by leftists when losing a debate.
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Link?
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The gift that keeps giving that's what the ALP are
I read this morning they are considering their legal options as the feel the seat of Chisholm was rigged :lol :lol
What a bunch of losers. Perhaps they can call up Robert Mueller or Hillary to investigate . They seem to have a lot in common with that lot.
Shorten is imploding. :lol
https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/bill-shorten-blames-corporate-leviathans-and-the-media-for-labor-s-shock-election-loss-20190530-p51sqt.html
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hahahahaha dio you have made my day reading that.
Its got Killary writen all over it and to think people voted for this clown, gee wiz. Looking forward to seeing this bloke implode on the front bench
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The one thing I would like to know is what is the Morrison government going to do.
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The one thing I would like to know is what is the Morrison government going to do.
:cheers
They've just announced their new cabinet. I assume they will get on with governing the country.... :shh
Just noticed on a state level that tram drivers rejected a 12% pay increase. Already they are relatively overpaid compared to teachers and nurses, they are demanding a lot more from Dan Andrews.... :shh :shh
Imagine what would have happened at a Federal level had Shorten got in..... :shh :shh :shh
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The one thing I would like to know is what is the Morrison government going to do.
:cheers
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Not even I would go this far.
:lol
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html)
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Not even I would go this far.
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html)
The author of that article is on far more than the prime minister and it's a middle of the road university too.... :shh
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90% of the subjects taught at Uni are useless crap for useless people. :shh
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90% of the subjects taught at Uni are useless crap for useless people. :shh
Let me guess you didn't go to University?
Is that where you learnt to use the ignore function? :shh
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Not even I would go this far.
:lol
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html)
The author of that article is on far more than the prime minister and it's a middle of the road university too.... :shh
Let me guess you went to Melbourne Uni?
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Go and have a look at University rankings and get back to me. The reference was from its ranking which is independent of where I went to University. Anyhow, even if he was from Melbourne University, vice chancellors there are on $900K. Of course they are happy to espouse left wing ideas because they have their ivory towers at the University. Sort of like Union bosses who are happy to be on God knows how much, but preach that the common man should be on more but then are happy to take their union fees..... :shh
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Yes you might say the rate of interest here is at an all-time low.... :shh
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Not even I would go this far.
:lol
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html)
The author of that article is on far more than the prime minister and it's a middle of the road university too.... :shh
Let me guess you went to Melbourne Uni?
:lol
Go and have a look at University rankings and get back to me. The reference was from its ranking which is independent of where I went to University. Anyhow, even if he was from Melbourne University, vice chancellors there are on $900K. Of course they are happy to espouse left wing ideas because they have their ivory towers at the University. Sort of like Union bosses who are happy to be on God knows how much, but preach that the common man should be on more but then are happy to take their union fees..... :shh
As someone who works at a university I'm going to have to chime in here. The rankings are a classic case of facts vs truth. Firstly surveys are conducted and reputation is a metric that gets calculated which is as moronic and subjective of a metric to use in anything. But more importantly, if you look at the top 10 or top 20 all those universities are very old. As such by having such a long history (eg. Oxford) they have received resources from the state a lot longer than say Imperial College of London. The same analogy can be applied for a group of 8 university vs non G8.
As a biomedical researcher, if you ask anyone in the field, no one who spends a 70hr working week (with no unpaid overtime) at the bench cares about the rankings. The only people who do are vice chancellors or PR departments spruiking the university for international student full fees. The fact of the matter is we live in a time that the university system is broken and a lot of that is due to deregulation. Teaching quality is at an all time low, there is a palpable brain drain in Australia. Both parties have contributed to this but the LNP is waaaaaaay more responsible for the current climate research is in.
tl;dr version. Times University Ranking is on par with Supercoach points/Champion data as a representation of how good a player is.
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Not even I would go this far.
:lol
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/it-may-yet-turn-out-that-this-was-a-good-election-to-have-lost-20190531-p51t9n.html)
The author of that article is on far more than the prime minister and it's a middle of the road university too.... :shh
Let me guess you went to Melbourne Uni?
:lol
Go and have a look at University rankings and get back to me. The reference was from its ranking which is independent of where I went to University. Anyhow, even if he was from Melbourne University, vice chancellors there are on $900K. Of course they are happy to espouse left wing ideas because they have their ivory towers at the University. Sort of like Union bosses who are happy to be on God knows how much, but preach that the common man should be on more but then are happy to take their union fees..... :shh
As someone who works at a university I'm going to have to chime in here. The rankings are a classic case of facts vs truth. Firstly surveys are conducted and reputation is a metric that gets calculated which is as moronic and subjective of a metric to use in anything. But more importantly, if you look at the top 10 or top 20 all those universities are very old. As such by having such a long history (eg. Oxford) they have received resources from the state a lot longer than say Imperial College of London. The same analogy can be applied for a group of 8 university vs non G8.
As a biomedical researcher, if you ask anyone in the field, no one who spends a 70hr working week (with no unpaid overtime) at the bench cares about the rankings. The only people who do are vice chancellors or PR departments spruiking the university for international student full fees. The fact of the matter is we live in a time that the university system is broken and a lot of that is due to deregulation. Teaching quality is at an all time low, there is a palpable brain drain in Australia. Both parties have contributed to this but the LNP is waaaaaaay more responsible for the current climate research is in.
tl;dr version. Times University Ranking is on par with Supercoach points/Champion data as a representation of how good a player is.
There are many ways of ranking universities. I stand by my statement that Latrobe is a middle of the road University though. That’s not to belittle it but to state a fact. The best performing students by and large don’t go there as their first preference. That is a fact. The best research most often comes out of Melbourne and Monash Universities. The top Law firms only take top graduates from the two universities I mentioned. That isn’t opinion. That is fact. The world is competitive and as harsh as it sounds, in the world of destination Universities, Latrobe isn’t one of them. Of course that isn’t to say that a graduate from Latrobe can’t have a hugely successful career. Ahmed Fahour for instance, is a former Latrobe Graduate and he has been as successful as anyone when it comes to accomplishments.
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Is anybody game to admit to regretting voting Liberal?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/jun/09/coalitions-lies-damned-lies-and-election-winning-strategies (https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/jun/09/coalitions-lies-damned-lies-and-election-winning-strategies)
the sweet taste of victory is tasting better by the day
my only regret is not going hard enough celebrating on election night.
enjoy the next 3 years mate, maybe 6
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Y&BB I agree that melb and Monash are the destination unis in Victoria. My point wasn’t that they aren’t. My point is ranking a uni is highly subjective and is largely skewed by how old a uni is. I did my bachelors at la Trobe and work at Monash and can confidently say the quality of teaching is vastly superior at la Trobe. The research output isn’t of course. Not even close.
But then not everyone wants to do research in an academia environment. My question is a philosophical one. If you don’t want to work I’m a uni for research and you’re only going to get a degree and leave that world behind do you go to a university that’s ranked higher based on prestige and has more resources or the one with superior teaching?
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Y&BB I agree that melb and Monash are the destination unis in Victoria. My point wasn’t that they aren’t. My point is ranking a uni is highly subjective and is largely skewed by how old a uni is. I did my bachelors at la Trobe and work at Monash and can confidently say the quality of teaching is vastly superior at la Trobe. The research output isn’t of course. Not even close.
But then not everyone wants to do research in an academia environment. My question is a philosophical one. If you don’t want to work I’m a uni for research and you’re only going to get a degree and leave that world behind do you go to a university that’s ranked higher based on prestige and has more resources or the one with superior teaching?
There is no doubt that the best workers in their field are those who work hardest and longest. That has nothing to do with which University they came from. Teaching at Universities also varies from year to year and course to course. In your area, Latrobe may well have superior teaching to say Monash. Monash may have better lecturers in other areas. I can tell you from my own experience many years ago that even in Medicine, there were excellent lecturers and some pretty ordinary ones and that was at Melbourne. How some of those ordinary ones kept their job I don’t know. I guess once you are in it’s hard to dislodge people from academic posts which is another problem in the teaching game.
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Even our best universities are being poisoned by far-Left ideology
Universities once celebrated achievement, critical thinking and diverse views but are now mired in groupthink and the promotion of views that have created a hostile, genuinely intolerant environment
Your university degree might be useless
Experts say the future of the traditional degree structure is limited, but does that mean your ...
One would have to look long and hard to find institutions as captured by the toxic doctrine of identity politics as universities.
Institutions that once celebrated achievement, critical thinking and diversity of views are mired in groupthink and the promotion of a far-Left ideology, particularly in the arts, humanities and social sciences.
If you have a child who is contemplating higher education, then you should be aware of what is happening at Australian universities.
The growth of junk degrees and the devaluation of university education has coincided with the rise of cultural Marxism.
How Leftists unmasked their own hypocrisy … again
Indoctrination starts at primary and secondary school where, under the guise of “inclusion” and “diversity”, a Left-wing narrative that is neither inclusive nor diverse is relentlessly pushed.
When parents see these weasel words, they should examine closely what is being promoted.
By the time students enter university, they have been well conditioned to swallow increasingly radical notions like the doctrine that Western civilisation, the greatest global force for equality, freedom, enlightenment and opportunity, is hopelessly mired in racism, sexism and bigotry.
Emotions are allowed to trump facts, history is redefined and students are encouraged to see the world through a simplistic prism of the oppressors and the oppressed.
Even the best universities, such as Melbourne University, are not immune to toxic ideology.
It’s a phenomenon that has created a hostile, genuinely intolerant environment at universities, where robust debate and pursuit of truth can be tantamount to hate speech.
When mainstream conservatives are routinely attacked, silenced or completely deplatformed, then you know something has gone terribly wrong in our learning institutions.
Of course, this isn’t a uniquely Australian problem, the radical Left’s march through institutions is evident in the US, Britain and much of the West.
As scholar and economist Thomas Sowell said: “Our whole educational system, from the elementary schools to the universities, is increasingly turning out people who have never heard enough conflicting arguments to develop the skills and discipline required to produce a coherent analysis, based on logic and evidence.”
If you think that the best universities are immune from this toxic idiocy, then you haven’t been paying attention.
Melbourne University has long been promoted as the country’s best and boasts an international ranking significantly higher than its competitors, according to The Times Higher Education World University Rankings.
It’s for that reason it was selected by international student Zachary Snowdon Smith as the ideal place to attend a masters in journalism program.
But it didn’t take long for the postgraduate student to be exposed to the extreme-Left ideology that is poisoning intellectual pursuit.
Women’s rights campaigner Ayaan Hirsi Ali is scornful of those who ignore or seek to rationalise harmful cultural or religious practises. Picture: AAP
Snowdon Smith wrote about his experience in online publication Quillette: “The first indication I received that something had gone awry at Australia’s best university was in a criminology class titled ‘Violence, Trauma, and Reconciliation’.
“The instructor, Dr Juliet Rogers, devoted a lecture to female genital mutilation — a natural enough topic for a class on trauma.
“In Rogers’s view, however, the true source of trauma was not the practice of FGM, itself, but the ‘violence’ of anti-FGM laws.
“After all, Western societies pressure women into body modification in the form of ear piercings — so who are we to pass judgment on those who practice clitorectomies and infibulations on children? And isn’t it true that legislators’ supposed concern with FGM is actually motivated by
Yes, your tax dollars are funding students at Australia’s top university being told the evil of FGM is not that different to women in the West choosing to pierce their ears.
Dr Rogers, a senior lecturer at Melbourne University, expands on this monumentally moronic theme in a paper published in 2016 where she writes: “For each claim that a woman’s sexual health is impacted, there is a study which suggests it is not, and others which suggest it is enhanced. For each claim of trauma, there is another which claims empowerment.”
Naturally, this brand of moral relativism is not shared by medical professionals who’ve seen girls and women who’ve undergone this brutal practice.
Professor Elizabeth Elliott: “All types of female genital mutilation are traumatic for young girls and potentially harmful.”
Professor Elizabeth Elliott, who conducted a study into Australian girls as young as five months suffering FGM, is unequivocal in describing the harm it causes.
“FGM is a form of gender-based violence, is an abuse of human rights, and is associated with significant and often lifelong, health and psychological consequences,” she said.
“All types of FGM are traumatic for young girls and potentially harmful, including the more ‘minor’ procedures such as pricking or nicking and regardless of who performs the procedure and where.”
Women’s rights campaigner Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who herself suffered FGM, is scornful of those who ignore or seek to rationalise harmful cultural or religious practises.
“People are willing to sacrifice little girls on the altar of identity politics,” she said.
Snowdon Smith’s article details other instances of extreme ideology and an unrelenting obsession with identity politics he encountered at Melbourne Uni, but perhaps just as disheartening as the compromised curriculums is the ease with which he passed what was once a challenging degree.
He writes: “In Terror, Law and War, the essays I submitted consisted of structureless, deliberately turgid summaries of class readings, enlivened with the odd anti-Western cliche and handed in without proofreading or revision.
“This seemed to be the level of seriousness appropriate to the class.
“My diploma is proof that this material, produced almost without conscious effort, was up to the standards of Australia’s top university.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/rita-panahi-even-our-best-universities-are-being-poisoned-by-farleft-ideology/news-story/41dc95841a1f9055797371e80a083826
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Does anybody really think we can afford $33 billion in tax cuts to people who earn over $180,000 per year?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/10/coalitions-income-tax-plan-will-gift-highest-earners-33bn (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/10/coalitions-income-tax-plan-will-gift-highest-earners-33bn)
The $33bn is an estimate over 5 years, not per year.....
The likelihood is that the GST will rise too (as it needs to). If that happens, our net tax collection will most probably rise.
Stages 1&2 will see lower income tax rates fall first. Stage 3 probably won't be passed by the senate IMHO.
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Does anybody really think we can afford $33 billion in tax cuts to people who earn over $180,000 per year?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/10/coalitions-income-tax-plan-will-gift-highest-earners-33bn (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/10/coalitions-income-tax-plan-will-gift-highest-earners-33bn)
The $33bn is an estimate over 5 years, not per year.....
The likelihood is that the GST will rise too (as it needs to). If that happens, our net tax collection will most probably rise.
Stages 1&2 will see lower income tax rates fall first. Stage 3 probably won't be passed by the senate IMHO.
So was that a yes or a no?
Who honestly knows? No one here certainly.
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LMAO @ anyone who takes Guardian articles seriously...they're like The Onion except those idiots are actually serious... :shh
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Funny and largely true....
https://twitter.com/simplic10/status/1137760009536696321
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Mods please close thread
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Yep if we're gonna get banned for making fun of this crap then close the thread. This is baiting by 'Him'
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Yep if we're gonna get banned for making fun of this crap then close the thread. This is baiting by 'Him'
read between the lines mate.
It suits the mods to have 65 go on a daily teary rant because like him they have been hurt by the result of the greatest political victory since the great don :shh
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read between the lines mate.
It suits the mods to have 65 go on a daily teary rant because like him they have been hurt by the result of the greatest political victory since the great don :shh
Nothing could be further from the truth but that doesn't suit your argument I suppose.
Actually TBH your post is offensive to me but it can stay. Calling into question our integrity around the removal of posts when the rules have been consistently applied is as I said offensive >:(
Facts are the recent posts that were deleted in this thread and the other one on this board were deleted because the were reported
We have applied the same criteria here that we did a few weeks back (much to many folks angst) when posts were reported. that is the reported posts being removed. It's called consistency.....
And when multiple posters post the same thing directed at on poster that is clearly baiting - we have little choice but remove them. And in case you've forgotten constant baiting of posters can lead to the issue of strikes under the sites 3 Strikes policy. In this case we have not done that; instead just removed the offending posts
As for this
Yep if we're gonna get banned for making fun of this crap then close the thread. This is baiting by 'Him'
When the same type of post (hint the word repeated was imploding) directed at a single poster repeated time and time again by multiple posters is not having a bit of fun. Under the site rules that is baiting and is not allowed
Last time I checked this thread is called "Political thread" which means people can post what they like about politics, how often they like as long as they don't break the rules. If you don't like what the person is posting either dont read it or just ignore. I know that's what i"ve done and trust me it isn't that hard ...
As a very wise lady told me growing up "Better to ignore a fool than encourage one"
If you don't agree with the post then debate the issue rather playing the man; again it isn't that hard
:banghead
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Yep if we're gonna get banned for making fun of this crap then close the thread. This is baiting by 'Him'
read between the lines mate.
It suits the mods to have 65 go on a daily teary rant because like him they have been hurt by the result of the greatest political victory since the great don :shh
:shh
As a very wise lady told me growing up "Better to ignore a fool than encourage one"
Have I misread this or are you calling me a fool?
:fencing
That's how I read it too :shh :shh
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As a very wise lady told me growing up "Better to ignore a fool than encourage one"
Have I misread this or are you calling me a fool?
:fencing
Sad when you have explain things to a micro level. I honestly thought people would be able to get the bloody message :banghead
Try this ....
If someone says, writes or post something that you think is foolish or stupid, then in that instance yes you would think they are a fool... sure everyone person on this site has felt that way over the journey
So as my late Mother used to say "Better to ignore a fool than encourage one"
In other words ignore what they've written or said rather than replying and encouraging more of the same that YOU as individual thinks is foolish
So in answer to your question NO :banghead
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He’s taking the pee now and all because the little union prick lost
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#protectedspecies #notallreportedpostsareequal :shh
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Reminder: If you don't want to see/read another poster's posts then place their username in your "ignore list". That's what it is there for!
Profile -> Modify profile -> buddies/ignore list -> Edit ignore list -> Type in username and click 'add'.
Otherwise, as WP said:
Last time I checked this thread is called "Political thread" which means people can post what they like about politics, how often they like as long as they don't break the rules. If you don't like what the person is posting either dont read it or just ignore. I know that's what i"ve done and trust me it isn't that hard ...
If you don't agree with the post then debate the issue rather playing the man; again it isn't that hard
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read between the lines mate.
It suits the mods to have 65 go on a daily teary rant because like him they have been hurt by the result of the greatest political victory since the great don :shh
Pathetic low blow post, Frank! :thumbsdown
My 75 year old mum has been in hospital for the past 2 1/2 months and had a setback about 3-4 weeks ago. So excuse me for putting my family first over your, 65's or anyone else's political whims ::).
#protectedspecies #notallreportedpostsareequal :shh
Another cheap shot at the mods' integrity >:(.
Of course not all reported posts are equal. Not every post that is reported is black & white. If the mods decide a reported post has breached the forum's guidelines then it gets edited or removed; if the mods decide it hasn't then it remains as is. The mods' decision is final.
This is a politics thread for the discussion of political issues and the only posts that have been removed are those that had nothing to do with politics.
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Back to political discussion, the Senate has been finalised by the look of it.
LNP 35
ALP 26
Greens 9
PHON 2
Cen.All 2
Bernardi 1
Lambie 1
The government has a two seat majority in the House of Reps. So a net gain of one seat from 2016.
LNP 77
ALP 68
Bandt 1
Haines 1
Katter 1
Sharkie 1
Steggall 1
Wilkie 1
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/
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Unfortunately Hinch has lost his Senate seat.
But at least he's left and important and lasting legacy with the National Sex Offenders Register
Pity more pollies can't say the same
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The worst Premier in NSW history can't be taken seriously :shh
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The worst Premier in NSW history can't be taken seriously :shh
True but she has already proven to be a match for Dutton.
:cheers
Only in a few people's eyes.....
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The worst Premier in NSW history can't be taken seriously :shh
True but she has already proven to be a match for Dutton.
:cheers
Only in teary leftist eyes.....
e.f.a :shh
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I'm not sure why you find this interesting. Do you think that such goings on are unique to the liberal party? Are you that naive? Surely not. That is politics 101.
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Interesting to know that Morrison does have blood on his hands.
And that he really is a bare faced liar.
:cheers
Another naive comment. Has there ever been a leader who didn’t have blood on his hands? Really? If you can actually come up with a single name, you would be lying.....
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Time to move on me thinks
I don't care how ScoMo became leader, every party at some point knifes it leader
All pollies lie, it had become par for course (sadly)
Facts are he is PM for the next 3 years. That's what the majority wanted, that's what they got.
It is what it is
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Not sure about the moving on
Not sure on the 3 year bit either
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New Zealand and Canada show how to reduce poverty.
Anybody think Morrison might adopt some of these ideas?
Probably not given that the Government has just reduced penalty rates (while giving himself a $10,000 pay rise)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/01/it-is-not-a-pipe-dream-five-things-australia-could-do-now-to-end-poverty (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/01/it-is-not-a-pipe-dream-five-things-australia-could-do-now-to-end-poverty)
Our PM is in one of the lowest paid jobs considering he is running the nation. Many of us haven't been paid overtime for 30 years. I think you need to move on and actually understand reality. Not all jobs get penalty rates.
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Not sure about the moving on
Not sure on the 3 year bit either
His daily rants are making the victory all the more sweeter
Some just don't know how to accept defeat.
Attaching a PM over his 10,000 pay rise. Heard it all now .
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Not sure about the moving on
Not sure on the 3 year bit either
His daily rants are making the victory all the more sweeter
Some just don't know how to accept defeat.
Attacking a PM over his 10,000 pay rise. Heard it all now .
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This isn't meant to be an attack, 65.....but
Don't you think it's sad that you post all these articles almost every day? Like, it's getting to the point where I'd expect you're sitting at home in a rocking chair mumbling "Libs are in turmoil" to yourself all hours of the night
As WP said, time to move on. Wait until there is actually some real news to talk about
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This isn't meant to be an attack, 65.....but
Don't you think it's sad that you post all these articles almost every day? Like, it's getting to the point where I'd expect you're sitting at home in a rocking chair mumbling "Libs are in turmoil" to yourself all hours of the night
As WP said, time to move on. Wait until there is actually some real news to talk about
And lets hope he is wearing pants whilst in that rocking chair and posting on here
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Smut talk there nephew
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And rather than just attack me, why not contribute something useful.
:cheers
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:shh
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But no one attacked you?
You're literally arguing the most pointless things that that average Australian could not give a STUFF about. It's borderline fake news.
I know it's hard for you, but why not wait until there's something newsworthy to talk about....:shh
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What we're saying, basically, is no one cares about the articles you post because they're not relevant to anything and if you insist on posting them you will continue to get responses that you don't like.
It's not your forum champ
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Another big win for scomo today that not surprisingly went unnoticed on here.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/scott-morrisons-tax-cuts-victory-puts-labor-on-the-back-foot/news-story/716b7c98474518e98f604daa3bda389c
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Another big win for scomo today that not surprisingly went unnoticed on here.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/scott-morrisons-tax-cuts-victory-puts-labor-on-the-back-foot/news-story/716b7c98474518e98f604daa3bda389c
Probably because both sides of politics supported the first two stages for lower & middle incomes while stage 3 is 5 years away and will do nothing to address the current deteriorating state of the national economy.
The RBA is trying to do the heavy lifting by cutting already low interest rates to further record lows due to lack of action and reform by the federal government. However, while low rates help borrowers, it hurts those with savings accounts such as those on the pension. The latter are going backwards.
Australia needs reform and mass infrastructure spending to modernise and lower the cost of living to get the economy going again but that isn't going to happen when $158b is flittered away on personal income tax cuts; the bulk of which will go to those on higher incomes. The private sector isn't going to build this infrastructure (eg: public transport, energy, etc). Who knows what budget cuts to infrastructure spending and public services will be needed to pay for the stage 3 tax cuts. There's also going to be renewed pressure from big business to bring back the dumped corporate tax cuts which if implemented would hit the budget bottom line further. Of course, we could just follow the USA and rack up more and more debt for a sugar hit.
Anyway, the majority voted for "no change" (in more ways than one) so the rest of us accept the result and see what happens over the next 3 years under the current federal government's policies. They have a friendly Senate crossbench so there will be no excuses.
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Millionaire Australian businessman Dick Smith received $500,000 in franking credits from the government in a single year, in what he called an "outrageous" use of taxpayers' money that should be subject to a means test.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6277768/its-outrageous-dick-smith-received-500000-of-franking-credit-refunds-in-one-year/?cs=14230
But it's not a rort to some ::).
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Millionaire Australian businessman Dick Smith received $500,000 in franking credits from the government in a single year, in what he called an "outrageous" use of taxpayers' money that should be subject to a means test.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6277768/its-outrageous-dick-smith-received-500000-of-franking-credit-refunds-in-one-year/?cs=14230
But it's not a rort to some ::).
Why doesn't he donate it to a good cause like the Salvation Army? If he thinks it's a rort and he shouldn't have it, give it to those who do need it.
He also must be in the 0.1% of the population who benefit that much..... :shh
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So apparently Jeffrey Epstein left a suicide note and it was signed by his mother... :shh
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So apparently Jeffrey Epstein left a suicide note and it was signed by his mother... :shh
I think Epstein was definitely imploding.
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:lol
:cheers
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Former deputy PM Tim Fischer has passed away
Doesn't matter which side of politics you lean towards; Tim Fischer was a great pollie. One of our best
He represents what we are missing today ... focus on making things better for all, not just some
A true gentleman that I had the pleasure of meeting a few years ago now at the Yackadandah Bakery.
Vale Mr Fischer
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Interesting to see who has the PM's ear.
:lol
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-wanted-hillsong-pastor-brian-houston-at-white-house-dinner-report-20190921-p52tk2.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-wanted-hillsong-pastor-brian-houston-at-white-house-dinner-report-20190921-p52tk2.html)
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The budget supposedly back in or close to back in surplus thank to slashing $4.6 billion in funding to the NDIS
Meanwhile over at the Franking Credit table that richly deserved handout, the Govt has forked out just on $16 billion in Franking credits since being re-elected in May
Not really sure how you can justify that but I am sure they and others will do there best
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The budget supposedly back in or close to back in surplus thank to slashing $4.6 billion in funding to the NDIS
Meanwhile over at the Franking Credit table that richly deserved handout, the Govt has forked out just on $16 billion in Franking credits since being re-elected in May
Not really sure how you can justify that but I am sure they and others will do there best
100% il defend it in certain situations.
nothing wrong with franking credits to those who cant access welfare IMO.
BUT. there should be a cap of say $10,000 per couple, and only those who earn less than the min annual salary, and dont have millions in super they can draw down.
i do believe those who earn less than $50k p/y family income, and not entitled to welfare, should receive it. Why hasnt anyone put this case forward?
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The budget supposedly back in or close to back in surplus thank to slashing $4.6 billion in funding to the NDIS
Meanwhile over at the Franking Credit table that richly deserved handout, the Govt has forked out just on $16 billion in Franking credits since being re-elected in May
Not really sure how you can justify that but I am sure they and others will do there best
100% il defend it in certain situations.
nothing wrong with franking credits to those who cant access welfare IMO.
BUT. there should be a cap of say $10,000 per couple, and only those who earn less than the min annual salary, and dont have millions in super they can draw down.
i do believe those who earn less than $50k p/y family income, and not entitled to welfare, should receive it. Why hasnt anyone put this case forward?
Excellent points Frankie
Seems much fairer than what we have now, especially when read about there not being enough NDIS funding to enable a young girl in Brissie with Cerebal Palsy not being able to get a new electric wheelchair. While someone gets $10k in franking credits + a part pension
BTW Sounds very much along the lines of the majority of a policy of the side that was defeated at the election ;D
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Except it wasn't.... :shh
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Stay classy, Barnaby :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJIuTeeVUAEbr-i?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/adam-bandt-urges-climate-policy-response/news-story/f172808a8dedf8c4885e16f15bc86556
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Catastrophic bushfires in spring.
But climate change is crap apparently haha
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You do realise some were deliberately lit?
Also can someone explain what this is all about? Happened before in Sydney and was said to be confirmed as being Chaff
https://m.facebook.com/7NEWSBrisbane/videos/444046366316733/?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fwatch%2F&_rdr
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Sure do. They don't take off like this unless the weather is ripe though.
Personally I think we should have huge prison sentences for lighting fires like this. If people die it should be manslaughter. Elsewise 10+ years for lighting a fire.
Anyone who gets a hard on for lighting them should be told to come forward so they can be watched every summer, elsewise the excuse of being mentally stuffed up and getting a stiffy over fires doesn't count for Jack.
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Australia Talks
The intimate survey revealed that:
• A third of Aussies often have “difficulty making ends meet”
• Just under 50 per cent think it is OK to smack children
• 48 per cent think our economy will be worse in the next few years
• 84 per cent believe climate change is real and think action should be taken
• 82 per cent of Australians think indigenous people face discrimination
• 18 to 24-year-olds and people over 75 are having the least sex out of any age groups
• 45 per cent agree there are more than two genders
• 43 per cent agree January 26 is the wrong day to celebrate Australia Day
• 90 per cent think big businesses care more about profit than what’s best for Australia
• 90 per cent think politicians will lie if the truth will hurt them politically
• 93 per cent think Australians should show more respect to each other
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AUSTRALIA’S MOST DIVISIVE ISSUE
Of all the questions people were asked, one came out on top as the issue causing the biggest split in opinion.
Those who took the survey were asked whether they agree or disagree with the statement: “Australia Day should not be celebrated on January 26”.
The answers leaned more towards agree but only slightly, with 43 per cent agreeing with the statement and 40 per cent disagreeing.
From these numbers 28 per cent strongly agreed and 30 per cent strongly disagreed.
The second most divisive issue facing Australians is whether there are more than two genders.
From the survey, 45 per cent of Australians agreed there are more than two genders, while 38 per cent disagreed.
The third most divisive issue came when people were asked whether the decline of the traditional family has made Australia worse.
Forty six per cent of people thought that the decline in the traditional family had impacted Australia in a negative way, while 37 per cent disagreed.
Of this, 21 per cent strongly agreed and 19 per cent strongly disagreed.
Around 14 per cent chose to stay neutral on the topic and three per cent said they didn’t know.
For a full description of the survey methodology, click here (https://www.abc.net.au/news/about/backstory/digital/2019-10-24/australia-talks-your-questions-answered/11608434).
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/australia-talks-survey-gives-insight-into-our-lives-and-the-issues-dividing-us/news-story/3daf89a44abf1bba31e7d8be55d77f3f
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Catastrophic bushfires in spring.
But climate change is crap apparently haha
ARSONISTS deliberately lighting fires is not climate change.
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Catastrophic bushfires in spring.
But climate change is crap apparently haha
ARSONISTS deliberately lighting fires is not climate change.
And not all the fires burning in NSW or QLD were deliberately lit. think by last reports it was 2 that were
How do you explain the rest?
Worst drought in decades, Earth is getting hotter year on year... Climate Change is real
the damage it is causing is open to debate
But to deny like many of our esteemed morons in the various Parliaments around the country are is totally irresponsible and gutless
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Catastrophic bushfires in spring.
But climate change is crap apparently haha
ARSONISTS deliberately lighting fires is not climate change.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/arson-mischief-and-recklessness-87-per-cent-of-fires-are-man-made-20191117-p53bcl.html
200 fires deemed suspiscious, 60 people questioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGkYvjaFLwY
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More fires are started by accidental sparks than deliberately by arsonists.
Nevertheless, it's the climate conditions though that enable the spread of these fires and give them their intensity. That's what the fire services are concerned about. The fire season is lengthening and they are struggling more and more to contain fires as the climate conditions worsen over time.
Of course our clueless pollies keep their head in the sand. But what should we expect when only about 4 of them (out of around 230 in federal parliament) have any STEM qualifications. They are totally unqualified and lack the knowledge and understanding needed to handle the issue. But hey, let's keep the status quo of doing nothing and offer more "thoughts and prayers" instead ::).
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Medevac law has been repealed only because Jacqui Lambie has done a secret deal with ScoMo and Mathias.
My guess is that the New Zealand resettlement offer will be taken up but only after the USA resettlement deal is finalised.
The Government, and rightly so, don't trust Trump not to renege on the deal.
:cheers
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The media are claiming the deal involves NZ resettlement but that would go against everything this federal government has said in the past about allowing it (i.e. claiming it would be a backdoor way into Australia for people smugglers).
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Glad I'm not in Sydney.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELX1hahUcAAhdN8?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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People keep banging on about climate change
Australia contributes stuff all to this problem .. the idiot protestors etc should get on a plane to Beijing and focus their crap there
China causes more pollution in a day that Australia in a year .. anyone thinking Aussies can fix this issue is in fantasy land
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But aren't we responsible for what we can control? What is ours?
Isn't it incumbent on us to ensure the sustainability of the Great Barrier Reef, Daintree, Kakadu, 12 Apostles etc for generations to come?
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The 11 remaining apostles are doomed regardless of climate change... even little St.Greta can't hold back the tides and stop the wind with her magical autistic superpowers.... :shh
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The 11 remaining apostles are doomed regardless of climate change... even little St.Greta can't hold back the tides and stop the wind with her magical autistic superpowers.... :shh
Words
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Deep... :shh
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But aren't we responsible for what we can control? What is ours?
Isn't it incumbent on us to ensure the sustainability of the Great Barrier Reef, Daintree, Kakadu, 12 Apostles etc for generations to come?
So follow st greta's lead and stop driving a car, catching a plane, using gas/air con etc
if not then with respect to the climate change lovers shut the stuff up.
at least she has stopped doing a lot of those things so kudos to her. from what i know and have read anyway
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The 11 remaining apostles are doomed regardless of climate change... even little St.Greta can't hold back the tides and stop the wind with her magical autistic superpowers.... :shh
Don't see the need to mock a person with a disability or a person's disability >:(
But aren't we responsible for what we can control? What is ours?
Isn't it incumbent on us to ensure the sustainability of the Great Barrier Reef, Daintree, Kakadu, 12 Apostles etc for generations to come?
So follow st greta's lead and stop driving a car, catching a plane, using gas/air con etc
if not then with respect to the climate change lovers shut the stuff up.
at least she has stopped doing a lot of those things so kudos to her. from what i know and have read anyway
So you don't give a stuff if your kids don't get to enjoy our wonders of nature that we have here?
It's not about being a "Climate Change Lover"
It's about ensuring that we look after what we have as best we can before we complete destroy it
We are not doing that right now... see exhibit A- the Great Barrier Reef...
But who cares we got to enjoy it future generations don't deserve to
Righteo then
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The 11 remaining apostles are doomed regardless of climate change... even little St.Greta can't hold back the tides and stop the wind with her magical autistic superpowers.... :shh
Don't see the need to mock a person with a disability or a person's disability >:(
She's publicly declared that she believes her Asperger's is a superpower and that she has the ability to see carbon dioxide in the air...she fully deserves to be mocked and I make no apologies for doing so... :shh
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People keep banging on about climate change
Australia contributes stuff all to this problem .. the idiot protestors etc should get on a plane to Beijing and focus their crap there
China causes more pollution in a day that Australia in a year .. anyone thinking Aussies can fix this issue is in fantasy land
Do you take the same attitude towards Australia's contribution to world war 2? Our involvement and sacrifice was arguably much smaller than other countries.
Fact is there are dozens of tiny countries who individually contribute stuff all emissions but combine to be a significant factoe.
If we all take on your unaccountable and peeweak attitude to the situation then it makes a poor example for the rest of those countries and just proves how backwards your thinking and that of our 'great' country really is.
Honestly for an island with a very small population I've never heard of an Aussie ever say we're too small to make an impact until this critical issue. What a shame!
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Baizuo... :shh
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What do people think of ScoMo taking his family to Hawaii while Australia burns?
:thumbsup :thumbsdown
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Dio will kiss his feet for it haha
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Don't really give a shyte....though I strongly suspect the only kind of folk who do are the same kind of folk who also mock Abbott for being in the fire brigade.... :shh
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Don't really give a shyte....though I strongly suspect the only kind of folk who do are the same kind of folk who also mock Abbott for being in the fire brigade.... :shh
:bow
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Don't really give a shyte....though I strongly suspect the only kind of folk who do are the same kind of folk who also mock Abbott for being in the fire brigade.... :shh
:bow
:bow :bow
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Tony Abbott has been spotted fighting the fires. No announcements or press conference.
Interesting contrast with Scott "where the bloody hell are you" Morrison last seen sitting on a beach in Hawaii.
:thumbsdown
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Due to return this evening. Apparently he and his team have initially misread the public's opinion on him taking a holiday and are now backpedaling - too late though as it is now clear he doesn't really care.
Deputy PM has admitted we need to do more to combat climate change.
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The silence is deafening.
Where is the "How good is ScoMo" brigade?
:cheers
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Still better than the alternative
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Hopefully they'll give John Cain a burial befitting of a Pharaoh....in a pyramid... :shh
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No one is going to be talking about this (hawaiigate) in a few months.
Years out from the next election, save your energy you dimwitted lefties
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No one is going to be talking about this (hawaiigate) in a few months.
Years out from the next election, save your energy you dimwitted lefties
You are absolutely correct but...
It's a bit scary that the first decision as PM he makes is such a stupid one.
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No one is going to be talking about this (hawaiigate) in a few months.
Years out from the next election, save your energy you dimwitted lefties
im sure the fukwits will find something else to whinge about.
funny how not many of the lefties have brought up the good work old tony abb is doing :shh
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Tony Abbott has been spotted fighting the fires. No announcements or press conference.
Interesting contrast with Scott "where the bloody hell are you" Morrison last seen sitting on a beach in Hawaii.
:thumbsdown
Pardon?
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good for you then. Sad that you are a leftie though. Are you 65?
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No one is going to be talking about this (hawaiigate) in a few months.
Don't bet on it!
Morrison's lack of leadership during this fire crisis is disgraceful. He is so out of touch it's not funny
No defending him over this >:(
Scotty from marketing, has overtaken Tony Abbott as the worst PM in my lifetime
Having family that have had to evacuate their homes and the pics they are sending through what is going is bloody scary. Some of their comments about our PM have shocked me. Why because they have been staunch Libs all their life but not anymore
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What was he thinking trying to force people to shake his hand and then turning his back on one of them who was still talking to him :huh :facepalm.
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Haven’t you heard though? It’s apparently all the Greens fault!?
Suffice it to say - should this discussion be moved over to the cricket thread?
No one is going to be talking about this (hawaiigate) in a few months.
Morrison's lack of leadership during this fire crisis is disgraceful. He is so out of touch it's not funny
No defending him over this >:(
Scotty from marketing, has overtaken Tony Abbott as the worst PM in my lifetime
Yep, ATs take was almost as misguided as Scomos efforts of late.
Although I gotta say, his PR department must have given up on him. One bumbling blooper after another.
You know something’s awfully awry when Nick Kyrgios is doing a better job of inspiring the country than Scummo is.
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Haven’t you heard though? It’s apparently all the Greens fault!?
Once again they are more interested in playing cheap politics and think they know better than the experts ::).
Too bad hazard reduction burns do pretty much bugger all to make any difference with these catastrophic fires.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-20/hazard-reduction-burns-bushfires/11817336
Been in power for 7 years yet still blaming everyone and anyone else. More ad-man spin to avoid mentioning, acknowledging and dealing with the elephant in the room :shh.
Suffice it to say - should this discussion be moved over to the cricket thread?
:rollin
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No one is going to be talking about this (hawaiigate) in a few months.
Don't bet on it!
Morrison's lack of leadership during this fire crisis is disgraceful. He is so out of touch it's not funny
No defending him over this >:(
Scotty from marketing, has overtaken Tony Abbott as the worst PM in my lifetime
Having family that have had to evacuate their homes and the pics they are sending through what is going is bloody scary. Some of their comments about our PM have shocked me. Why because they have been staunch Libs all their life but not anymore
WP you have lost the plot of late. Worse than TA and he has been in power for 6 months. LOL
i bet if it was shorton or that other clown di natale you would be silent as usual.
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Hard to see how Scott Morrison can survive as PM.
Just not up to it.
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WP you have lost the plot of late. Worse than TA and he has been in power for 6 months. LOL
i bet if it was shorton or that other clown di natale you would be silent as usual.
1. Morrison won an election in May. He was PM before that, so he has been in power longer than 6 months. Get you facts right before you take one of your shots from your cheap seat.
2. If you can in anyway condone how he has handle this crisis, then it is you not me who has let the plot or you are clearly blinded by some sort of liberal bias. I was going to say you can't see the forest for the trees but seeing over 735k hectares have burnt that would be in terrible taste. But perhaps your mate ScottyFromMarketong will use it >:(
In times of crisis leaders LEAD. Morrison has failed. Hosting a party at Kirribili NY's eve to watch fireworks aint leadership. hosting the cricketers and then rambling on how they would lift the firies spirits :help, when he meets a firefighter in NSW and the firefighter says he hasn't eaten properly for 3 days and the PM responds by saying "better let you get back to it" (and he wasn't talking about eating either >:() This ain't leadership. I can point to 3 pollies who have shown leadership this week and your blessed Scotty isn't one of them.
3. If any leader from any party had handled things the same way, they would be copping it too. If Shorten was PM we would have a national emergency fire service, it was a policy BTW for situations like this. But keeping franking credits was far more important >:(.
4. The Greens deserve some of the whacks that are coming there way for their opposition to controlled forest clearing etc. That has contributed to this
5. If my cousin loses her home today which is highly likely based on what they got told last night, I will pass on your well wishes and concerns about my state of mind
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No one is going to be talking about this (hawaiigate) in a few months.
Don't bet on it!
Morrison's lack of leadership during this fire crisis is disgraceful. He is so out of touch it's not funny
No defending him over this >:(
Scotty from marketing, has overtaken Tony Abbott as the worst PM in my lifetime
Having family that have had to evacuate their homes and the pics they are sending through what is going is bloody scary. Some of their comments about our PM have shocked me. Why because they have been staunch Libs all their life but not anymore
Well, you didn't quote me at the time I made the comment. So in fairness to me, the post was fair at the time given he was coming back and one would have thought he may have done a more polished job dealing with things since
He has not
I'm not a Liberal stooge but would still rather have Morrison running the show over the alternative. However, things like the forced handshakes (WTF), turning his back on that woman and some of the other interactions have been poor. Smacks of a bloke who either has little empathy for anyone or no social skills whatsoever. Not a good look.
Honestly, what I'm most disappointed about is the people out there using these fires as political ammo above all else. The first thought in any tragedy should always be for the victims.
Just a terrible thing all round at the minute.
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ScoMo is surely done and dead in the water.
Controlled burning aside (Greens are too left and extreme for me) ScoMo's lack of leadership has been disgusting and shameful. I wish we had our own Ardern!
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ScoMo is surely done and dead in the water.
Controlled burning aside (Greens are too left and extreme for me) ScoMo's lack of leadership has been disgusting and shameful. I wish we had our own Ardern!
Penny Wong?
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The amount of political mileage people are getting out of the fires is the real disgrace
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The amount of political mileage people are getting out of the fires is the real disgrace
Sad that you think the PMs performance is unimportant. You only have to look at NZ to see how good a PM can be. Unfortunately our PM is on a par with the USA and the UK.
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Harsh on Big Don and & Bozza.
My neph also said nothing about Scomo. People pretending they actually care about what's going on is the sad thing, it's political ammo for some. Sitting in their innercity cafes bagging the pee out of the PM via twitter accounts. Christmas came twice for those types. Couldn't give a stuff about the actual victims.
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Words
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The amount of political mileage people are getting out of the fires is the real disgrace
Sad that you think the PMs performance is unimportant. You only have to look at NZ to see how good a PM can be. Unfortunately our PM is on a par with the USA and the UK.
Didn’t mention the PM
The day I admire a NZer is the day I get newted and sing tenor
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The day I admire a NZer is the day I get newted and sing tenor
Only admire one half of Dusty or did you sing nessun dorma after he won the Norm Smith? ;D
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Didn’t mention the PM
The day I admire a NZer is the day I get newted and sing tenor
A salamander fetish?
:lol
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Some people wonder why Morrison is continually copping criticism over this and being called ScottyFromMarketing but he is repeatedly bringing it on himself with his desperate try-hard attempts to turn around his image. Yesterday, he couldn't help himself again with his ad-man spin and released a partisan self-promotional video in timing with the ADF deployment announcement. Someone needs to remind him the ADF's chief is the GG and not him nor his party.
1) Party-political advertising milking ADF support to civil agencies fighting bushfires is a clear breach of the (reciprocal) non-partisanship convention applying to both the ADF & Ministers/MPs. 2) Also cliche-ridden. 3) Its "defence force", not "Defence Force". #auspol #ausdef
https://twitter.com/austdef/status/1213398922720239616
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And another thing to remind the PM.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/951618864874073/permalink/2735127049856570/
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And it isn't as though our pollies weren't warned more than a decade or two ago ::).
"Climatic change, caused by increased CO2, could change the expected value of the Australian forest fire danger index" - Beer & Williams, @CSIRO, 1995
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01094015
'If humidity and wind changes eventuate...potential for increased frequency of severe fires will increase'
Source: Beer et al, 1987 (https://books.google.no/books?hl=en&lr=&id=SsoUAAAAIAAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA421&dq=Australian+bushfire+danger+under+changing+climatic+regimes%E2%80%9D,&ots=qHxAOVbD1O&sig=Y7k2oR5SThgTdyipxOvdQI-nx0E&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)
"Fire frequency in NSW increases under greenhouse warming scenarios" - an increase in hot days over 35 deg C leads to "increased bushfire potential"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENcIpNLWkAAleeV?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Source: "Fine Resolution Climate Change Scenarios for New South Wales" - 1997-98, @CSIRO (http://www.cmar.csiro.au/e-print/open/hennessy_1997a.pdf)
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Source: "Climate change impacts on fi re-weather in south-east Australia" - CSIRO 2005 (http://www.cmar.csiro.au/e-print/open/hennessykj_2005b.pdf)
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2007/10/28/the-list-the-worlds-worst-forest-fires/
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Source: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2007 report.
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Morrison loves to peddle the line that action on climate change would be costly and damage the economy.
However, so far there's been a cost of $300m from over 5000 insurance claims (and that's not including the losses and damages from the past few days). That figure will balloon. No surprise if it passes a billion dollars. Insurance companies were already including climate change in their risk assessments. Everyone will pay more in higher premiums especially those in high fire risk areas.
Then add the cost of ADF deployment; mass evacuation, rescue and support for victims; financial support payments for volunteer firies; health costs yet to materialise from likely respiratory and other physical medical long-term problems plus mental illness (PTSD); the massive loss of income for local businesses and the tourism industry during its peak season; the long-term economic cost to these local communities (eg: there's estimates of a half a billion animals :help having perished in these fires including masses of livestock), ... etc.
There's a far greater economic cost for inaction and denial.
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Didn’t mention the PM
The day I admire a NZer is the day I get newted and sing tenor
A salamander fetish?
:lol
Better than a sheep fetish
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The day I admire a NZer is the day I get newted and sing tenor
Only admire one half of Dusty or did you sing nessun dorma after he won the Norm Smith? ;D
OK that’s my only exception
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The day I admire a NZer is the day I get newted and sing tenor
Only admire one half of Dusty or did you sing nessun dorma after he won the Norm Smith? ;D
OK that’s my only exception
Phar Lap?
Russell Crowe?
:thumbsup
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Bette Midler has had a crack at ScoMo.
American singer Bette Midler pulled no punches as she lashed out at Mr Morrison early this morning in an extraordinary tweet that has already generated more than 19,000 likes and 5000 retweets.
“Pity the poor #Australians, their country ablaze, and their rotten @ScottMorrisonMP saying, “This is not the time to talk about Climate Change. We have to grow our economy." What an idiot. What good is an economy in an uninhabitable country? Lead, you f...wit!!”
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The day I admire a NZer is the day I get newted and sing tenor
Only admire one half of Dusty or did you sing nessun dorma after he won the Norm Smith? ;D
OK that’s my only exception
Phar Lap?
Russell Crowe?
:thumbsup
Nope and nope
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Pavlova?
ANZAC biscuits?
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Pavlova?
ANZAC biscuits?
Don’t eat either
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Bette Midler has had a crack at ScoMo.
American singer Bette Midler pulled no punches as she lashed out at Mr Morrison early this morning in an extraordinary tweet that has already generated more than 19,000 likes and 5000 retweets.
“Pity the poor #Australians, their country ablaze, and their rotten @ScottMorrisonMP saying, “This is not the time to talk about Climate Change. We have to grow our economy." What an idiot. What good is an economy in an uninhabitable country? Lead, you f...wit!!”
Well if such an authority on world affairs like Bette Midler says so.....did she tweet that from her private jet? :shh
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I thought she died a few years back
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Nah that was just her career... :shh
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Bette Midler is imploding :lol
:cheers
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WP you have lost the plot of late. Worse than TA and he has been in power for 6 months. LOL
i bet if it was shorton or that other clown di natale you would be silent as usual.
1. Morrison won an election in May. He was PM before that, so he has been in power longer than 6 months. Get you facts right before you take one of your shots from your cheap seat.
2. If you can in anyway condone how he has handle this crisis, then it is you not me who has let the plot or you are clearly blinded by some sort of liberal bias. I was going to say you can't see the forest for the trees but seeing over 735k hectares have burnt that would be in terrible taste. But perhaps your mate ScottyFromMarketong will use it >:(
In times of crisis leaders LEAD. Morrison has failed. Hosting a party at Kirribili NY's eve to watch fireworks aint leadership. hosting the cricketers and then rambling on how they would lift the firies spirits :help, when he meets a firefighter in NSW and the firefighter says he hasn't eaten properly for 3 days and the PM responds by saying "better let you get back to it" (and he wasn't talking about eating either >:() This ain't leadership. I can point to 3 pollies who have shown leadership this week and your blessed Scotty isn't one of them.
3. If any leader from any party had handled things the same way, they would be copping it too. If Shorten was PM we would have a national emergency fire service, it was a policy BTW for situations like this. But keeping franking credits was far more important >:(.
4. The Greens deserve some of the whacks that are coming there way for their opposition to controlled forest clearing etc. That has contributed to this
5. If my cousin loses her home today which is highly likely based on what they got told last night, I will pass on your well wishes and concerns about my state of mind
So eloquently put.
But it's all ok these RWNJS will get to keep their franking credits...
It's like these people are brain washed by the marketing man in Smoko.
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Bette Midler is imploding :lol
:cheers
:shh :shh
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The amount of political mileage people are getting out of the fires is the real disgrace
Sad that you think the PMs performance is unimportant. You only have to look at NZ to see how good a PM can be. Unfortunately our PM is on a par with the USA and the UK.
no chuck is right, sad how you think this is the real issue.
How about the positives? None?
They have learnt from black saturday and collectively have done very well IMO. Thats from Dan Andrews, CFA and all the way to the top of the LNP. I dont give a flying stuff who shakes whose hand. Thats for the nut jobs who are still unhappy about losing yet another unlosable election after the great don. End result is what i care about, and while the wildlife disaster is very real and sad, i think they have done very well to spare mass lives. (fingers crossed that continues) Grass can grow back.
By the way im not sure how long you have been on here for, but i should then read comments how you were critical of the great brumby and nixon's efforts in Black Saturday. Surely i can find some comments about their lack of leadership??
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WP you have lost the plot of late. Worse than TA and he has been in power for 6 months. LOL
i bet if it was shorton or that other clown di natale you would be silent as usual.
1. Morrison won an election in May. He was PM before that, so he has been in power longer than 6 months. Get you facts right before you take one of your shots from your cheap seat.
2. If you can in anyway condone how he has handle this crisis, then it is you not me who has let the plot or you are clearly blinded by some sort of liberal bias. I was going to say you can't see the forest for the trees but seeing over 735k hectares have burnt that would be in terrible taste. But perhaps your mate ScottyFromMarketong will use it >:(
In times of crisis leaders LEAD. Morrison has failed. Hosting a party at Kirribili NY's eve to watch fireworks aint leadership. hosting the cricketers and then rambling on how they would lift the firies spirits :help, when he meets a firefighter in NSW and the firefighter says he hasn't eaten properly for 3 days and the PM responds by saying "better let you get back to it" (and he wasn't talking about eating either >:() This ain't leadership. I can point to 3 pollies who have shown leadership this week and your blessed Scotty isn't one of them.
3. If any leader from any party had handled things the same way, they would be copping it too. If Shorten was PM we would have a national emergency fire service, it was a policy BTW for situations like this. But keeping franking credits was far more important >:(.
4. The Greens deserve some of the whacks that are coming there way for their opposition to controlled forest clearing etc. That has contributed to this
5. If my cousin loses her home today which is highly likely based on what they got told last night, I will pass on your well wishes and concerns about my state of mind
I can point to 3 pollies who have shown leadership this week and your blessed Scotty isn't one of them.
please name them so we are all clear and on the same page.
i dont remember anyone thanking tony abbott for his work in the bushfires so he cant be one of the 3 :shh
5. If my cousin loses her home today which is highly likely based on what they got told last night, I will pass on your well wishes and concerns about my state of mind
i wish your cousin all the best, and i really hope that's not the case :thumbsup
If any leader from any party had handled things the same way, they would be copping it too.
really? Brumby copped it on here and his assistants also like the great Nixon. Nearly 200 died in Black Saturday, and their leadership was questioned so surely you questioned it also?
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I can point to 3 pollies who have shown leadership this week and your blessed Scotty isn't one of them.
please name them so we are all clear and on the same page.
Gladys B (NSW Premier) despite (1) having no Ministerial support from the person who's portfolio covers this (he was holidaying in Europe) and (2) being thrown under the bus by Scotty from Marketing so Scotty could try and save himself from his ineptitude
Dan Andrews & Lisa Neville (Vic Emergency Services Ministers). Doing what needs to be done
Must add RFS Chief in NSW Fitzsimmons has been absolutely amazing since August when the fires started up there. Ditto Cmdr Crisp here in Victoria - toughest gigs in the nation right a the minute and they have been outstanding
i dont remember anyone thanking tony abbott for his work in the bushfires so he cant be one of the 3 :shh[/b]
He is no longer a pollie and I was only talking pollies but I applaud him for what he is doing. And applaud him more for doing it without seeking publicity about it
And just on low key - kudos to our GG for getting down to Gippsland and meeting people... no fanfare
i wish your cousin all the best, and i really hope that's not the case :thumbsup
Thank you. FWIW their house is still standing as is their small country town. Wind change meant for now the Corryong fire didn't / hasn't hit Granya yet. Granya is however, still under a watch and act warning
really? Brumby copped it on here and his assistants also like the great Nixon. Nearly 200 died in Black Saturday, and their leadership was questioned so surely you questioned it also?
Not sure there was much comment back then TBH. IMV Nixon was a poor Police Commissioner and her actions of going out to dinner that night instead on being in the with all emergency services was on par with what Scotty from Marketing is doing now. As for Brumby - he was front square just like Gladys B & Dan Andrews.
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Who let that denialist & sexist dill Craig Kelly from our government on British morning tele? What a trainwreck and an embarrassment to our country :facepalm. He picked on the wrong person in meteorologist Laura Tobin.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/australians-stand-by-pommy-weather-girl-after-clash-with-craig-kelly/news-story/c3fdcb458ef76ef3c41c12e6508b3c29
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Morrison loves to peddle the line that action on climate change would be costly and damage the economy.
However, so far there's been a cost of $300m from over 5000 insurance claims (and that's not including the losses and damages from the past few days). That figure will balloon. No surprise if it passes a billion dollars. Insurance companies were already including climate change in their risk assessments. Everyone will pay more in higher premiums especially those in high fire risk areas.
Then add the cost of ADF deployment; mass evacuation, rescue and support for victims; financial support payments for volunteer firies; health costs yet to materialise from likely respiratory and other physical medical long-term problems plus mental illness (PTSD); the massive loss of income for local businesses and the tourism industry during its peak season; the long-term economic cost to these local communities (eg: there's estimates of a half a billion animals :help having perished in these fires including masses of livestock), ... etc.
There's a far greater economic cost for inaction and denial.
Insurance costs from the bushfires now up to $700m and the total cost to economy is now being estimated to be up to $20b (in comparison the Black Saturday fires which affected Victoria cost the economy $4.5b). Notice the federal budget surplus promise has been jettisoned too.
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Who let that denialist & sexist dill Craig Kelly from our government on British morning tele? What a trainwreck and an embarrassment to our country :facepalm. He picked on the wrong person in meteorologist Laura Tobin.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/australians-stand-by-pommy-weather-girl-after-clash-with-craig-kelly/news-story/c3fdcb458ef76ef3c41c12e6508b3c29
it appears dopey Craig Kelly didn't seek clearance from the PM's Office :o , somehow got approached and agreed to do it
Saw Littleproud (forrmer denialist, now a swinging believer) go to town to town on his colleague last night. Said when asked about Kelly's comments and I am para-phrasing "he's just a back bencher" OUCH
Think they are not all on the same page :rollin
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I can point to 3 pollies who have shown leadership this week and your blessed Scotty isn't one of them.
please name them so we are all clear and on the same page.
Gladys B (NSW Premier) despite (1) having no Ministerial support from the person who's portfolio covers this (he was holidaying in Europe) and (2) being thrown under the bus by Scotty from Marketing so Scotty could try and save himself from his ineptitude
Dan Andrews & Lisa Neville (Vic Emergency Services Ministers). Doing what needs to be done
Must add RFS Chief in NSW Fitzsimmons has been absolutely amazing since August when the fires started up there. Ditto Cmdr Crisp here in Victoria - toughest gigs in the nation right a the minute and they have been outstanding
i dont remember anyone thanking tony abbott for his work in the bushfires so he cant be one of the 3 :shh[/b]
He is no longer a pollie and I was only talking pollies but I applaud him for what he is doing. And applaud him more for doing it without seeking publicity about it
And just on low key - kudos to our GG for getting down to Gippsland and meeting people... no fanfare
i wish your cousin all the best, and i really hope that's not the case :thumbsup
Thank you. FWIW their house is still standing as is their small country town. Wind change meant for now the Corryong fire didn't / hasn't hit Granya yet. Granya is however, still under a watch and act warning
really? Brumby copped it on here and his assistants also like the great Nixon. Nearly 200 died in Black Saturday, and their leadership was questioned so surely you questioned it also?
Not sure there was much comment back then TBH. IMV Nixon was a poor Police Commissioner and her actions of going out to dinner that night instead on being in the with all emergency services was on par with what Scotty from Marketing is doing now. As for Brumby - he was front square just like Gladys B & Dan Andrews.
Convenient. Because it didnt suit the narrative back then im guessing, from those who have gone quiet :shh
Brumby? front and square. I think being front and square helps people feel better about the situation, but in brumbys case it didnt help those who died, and thats the end result at the end of the day. Its the systems, processes that leaders put in place which counts the most.
Facts. Just under 200 deaths because his government didnt know how to deal with it. Poorly led from the top, and he and his agencies had no clue how to prepare for such a disaster, and if anyone thinks otherwise they are kidding themselves. Its his ship and he didnt lead.
https://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2010/08/01/2970122.htm?site=ballarat
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/brumby-must-explain-fireprevention-delays-20090916-frly.html
Again, i ask as I dont remember many criticizing the brumby (leadership)/and rudd governments for lack climate action, for the same reasons they are now with the current government. if so please post on here so we are consistent. MT is normally very vocal on anything the libs do, so surely he had some choice words to say about brumby and nixon.
i wish your cousin all the best, and i really hope that's not the case :thumbsup
Thank you. FWIW their house is still standing as is their small country town. Wind change meant for now the Corryong fire didn't / hasn't hit Granya yet. Granya is however, still under a watch and act warning
Great news hope it stays like that. Weather outlook looks okay too.
Despite the negativity WP a lot has gone right compared to 10 years ago. Everywhere you read they put the fear of god to leave down everyones throats and so far its worked. state and federal have done well.
Can they get better? sure. less fire bugs, more backburning, climate action can all contribute. For some to say its all based on just climate lack of action is garbage IMO.
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Bette Midler is imploding :lol
:cheers
She's donated $500k to bushfire appeal
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Latest News poll is predictably bad news for ScoMo.
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Latest News poll is predictably bad news for ScoMo.
Who cares, election is over 2 years away. No doubt it'll be heavily favouring Labor all the way to the election and then the people will remember they're all greedy bastards and get sucked in by lowest common denominator politics.
Frankly, the scariest thing from all this is that it is only now starting to make people realise the incredibly dire situation we are in. And if the people couldn't understand and reason when it was presented in its simplest terms last election, why would it change peoples voting habits now?
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Latest News poll is predictably bad news for ScoMo.
Who cares, election is over 2 years away. No doubt it'll be heavily favouring Labor all the way to the election and then the people will remember they're all greedy bastards and get sucked in by lowest common denominator politics.
Frankly, the scariest thing from all this is that it is only now starting to make people realise the incredibly dire situation we are in. And if the people couldn't understand and reason when it was presented in its simplest terms last election, why would it change peoples voting habits now?
Especially in Queensland where the last federal election was mainly decided when we still have scientifically illiterate pollies from up there like Pauline Hanson being invited on morning TV to talk about climate change and despite the bushfire disaster still saying "it's a load of BS" ::).
What next? The Today Show in another pathetic desperate chase for ratings asking her views about neurosurgery and the future space colonisation of Mars? ::).
These ignorant haters are deep down sadly tormented souls themselves. Again up Queensland we had a group of Young Liberals yesterday caught on camera bullying and abusing a drag queen for just reading stories to little kids at a Brisbane library. It's just been reported the leader of that Young Lib group has since committed suicide. No one gains or wins from this blatant ignorance. It's all just a tragic waste.
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Suicided due to abuse from leftists
Something to learn from the situation for all
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/federal-liberal-mps-forced-to-fight-for-their-seats-20200113-p53r54.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/federal-liberal-mps-forced-to-fight-for-their-seats-20200113-p53r54.html)
Federal Liberal MPs forced to fight for their seats
Victoria’s federal Liberal MPs will be forced to contest their own seats in preselections opening on Wednesday, despite a last ditch effort to overturn the plan by members who say it will damage the party’s electoral chances.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/13/coalition-mps-split-over-scott-morrisons-apparent-shift-on-climate-policy (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/13/coalition-mps-split-over-scott-morrisons-apparent-shift-on-climate-policy)
Coalition MPs split over Scott Morrison's apparent shift on climate policy
Moderate Liberals have seized on Scott Morrison’s apparent shift on climate change policy to argue the government will do more to cut emissions, as some conservatives push back against any “symbolism” that could damage the economy.
The left wing Guardian's poll has reflected the right wing News poll.
So who cares? I just think ScoMo might.
:lol
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I hope it does. I really do.
But I'm guessing in 3-6 months the status quo will return.
We shall see....
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Shades of the White Australia policy from Tony Rabbit and he is still peddling the myth that they have "got illegal migration under control"
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/abbott-calls-for-middle-class-women-to-have-more-children-20200128-p53vkx.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/abbott-calls-for-middle-class-women-to-have-more-children-20200128-p53vkx.html)
Former prime minister Tony Abbott has called for middle class women to have more children, saying current rates of childbirth among this group were a "real problem".
The former prime minister also said Australia should cut its migrant intake.
He said he supported immigration generally but not at "any numbers".
"Having got illegal migration under control, legal migration is virtually out of control," Mr Abbott said.
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Is that you 65? Welcome back.
Stop tearing up mate election has been won and lost.
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:shh
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Shades of the White Australia policy from Tony Rabbit
Did he specifically mention white women or do you just assume middle-class women are exclusively white? Pretty racist assumption if so....:shh
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Shades of the White Australia policy from Tony Rabbit
Did he specifically mention white women or do you just assume middle-class women are exclusively white? Pretty racist assumption if so....:shh
Abbott was talking about this at the same time as he wants legal immigration reduced. Most immigrants come from "non-white" continents these days. North-East and South & Central Asia now have the highest numbers emigrating to Australia.
See: Graph 3.5 Migrant Arrivals — Australia — Region of Birth — year to 30 June 2013 and 2018(a)
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/3412.0Main%20Features42017-18?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=3412.0&issue=2017-18&num=&view=
European immigration is falling. For example the median age of an Italian immigrant is now 71 (a legacy of the post-WW2 years). Only 4% of Aussies are English-born and their median age is 56 (yet 36% claimed they were English rather than Aussie in the last census = hello cultural cringe! ::) ). Chinese and Indian born are now not far behind at ~2.5% each and combined now exceed and are younger than Abbott and his like :shh.
Table 1.2 Australia's population by country of birth - 2018(a)
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/3412.0Main%20Features22017-18
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By the way, how long is it going to take for Bridget McKenzie to be sacked for the sports rorting and does it only stop at her?
https://www.news.com.au/national/colourcoded-spreadsheet-exposes-100-million-sports-rort-scandal/news-story/92ded4a6a5f878d70493ac4191929a70
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By the way, how long is it going to take for Bridget McKenzie to be sacked for the sports rorting and does it only stop at her?
https://www.news.com.au/national/colourcoded-spreadsheet-exposes-100-million-sports-rort-scandal/news-story/92ded4a6a5f878d70493ac4191929a70 (https://www.news.com.au/national/colourcoded-spreadsheet-exposes-100-million-sports-rort-scandal/news-story/92ded4a6a5f878d70493ac4191929a70)
Even Andrew Bolt thinks she should be sacked. :cheers
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt-why-bridget-mckenzie-must-resign/news-story/b7754b0b109f34128095a9c4f9dc2f2b (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt-why-bridget-mckenzie-must-resign/news-story/b7754b0b109f34128095a9c4f9dc2f2b)
Andrew Bolt: Why Bridget McKenzie must resign
The sports rort scandal has finally exposed Bridget McKenzie’s treatment of devoted volunteers as shameful — and proven why it should not be tolerated. The government’s reputation can’t be restored until she resigns, writes Andrew Bolt.
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Ch10 news tonight claiming they have an email linking the PM's office to the sports rort scandal.
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She should go 100%
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Can anyone give me a TLDR on sports scandal plz?
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Can anyone give me a TLDR on sports scandal plz?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-22/everything-we-know-about-sports-grants-so-far/11888620 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-22/everything-we-know-about-sports-grants-so-far/11888620)
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Ros Kelly 2.0 :shh
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McKenzie has resigned.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/embattled-mckenzie-resigns-from-federal-cabinet-over-sports-rorts-affair-20200202-p53wxm.html
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McKenzie has resigned.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/embattled-mckenzie-resigns-from-federal-cabinet-over-sports-rorts-affair-20200202-p53wxm.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/embattled-mckenzie-resigns-from-federal-cabinet-over-sports-rorts-affair-20200202-p53wxm.html)
Barnaby is on the phone as we speak.
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McKenzie has resigned.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/embattled-mckenzie-resigns-from-federal-cabinet-over-sports-rorts-affair-20200202-p53wxm.html
For not declaring her membership and therefore breaching ministerial standards.
But.......
Our pathetic PM has said the investigation carried out by his office found NO pork barrelling, no misuse of powers when she splashed put $100 million of tax payers (money which was where the grants finding came from) when she gave the money to either marginal seats or to blue ribbon liberal seats like Kooyong
Totally the opposite what the Auditor General found
He cannot be remotely serious
But then again, it's no surprise when the paper trail leads back to his office
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Labor under Gillard and Rudd also did pork barrelling.
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Labor under Gillard and Rudd also did pork barrelling.
Yep and hopefully this latest saga will mean it will never happen again.
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big barnaby is making a comeback.
cant wait for the meltdowns.
On a brighter note the di natale has left the sinking ship that is the greens. Bandt will be popular. :lol :lol
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Di natale did a good job for the greens hes leaving on top. Well played and well done to him.
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Barely increased their primary vote and its all about seats which they never managed to grow, so IMO his party led by him have done sfa over the last 4 years.
facts are not many care about the greens, and the more they open their mouths with their crap the more this will continue.
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Greens are useless but for me di natale kept them relevant. I think they will sink under brandt
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Barnaby failed in toppling McCormack as Nats leader and deputy PM.
Littleproud replaces McKenzie as deputy Nats leader.
Matt Canavan resigned from cabinet to back Joyce so Morrison has lost another minister.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-04/nationals-leadership-michael-mccormack-barnaby-joyce/11927014
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Di natale did a good job for the greens hes leaving on top. Well played and well done to him.
Dickie Di Natrotsky was a far-left nutjob who wanted to shut down media organisations and arrest journalists he disagreed with, only bad thing about him leaving the Watermelons is that Bandt is even more of a Neo-Marxist mouthbreather.... :shh
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Di natale did a good job for the greens hes leaving on top. Well played and well done to him.
Dickie Di Natrotsky was a far-left nutjob who wanted to shut down media organisations and arrest journalists he disagreed with, only bad thing about him leaving the Watermelons is that Bandt is even more of a Neo-Marxist mouthbreather.... :shh
Well put Dio. My only point of difference is that Bandt will further disgrace this pathetic party even more than the previous nutjob.
Welcome aboard Adam.
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Fun and games in parliament today. We have a new deputy speaker that wasn't Scomo's choice.
Just to put it in perspective the pay rise he got was the equivalent of three years of the Newstart allowance.
☹️
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Not sure which is worse a totally imcompetant government or a corrupt one
Currently we have one that combines the 2
But I'm sure people will continue to defend them
Not sure how anyone can defend or support any govt that has been proven to be corrupt like our current mob have over the sports sorts fiasco
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They all do it. Past and present. It's not right but it's the system. You think Dan hasn't done any deals :banghead
You wanted shorten to lead this country right? Let's talk about his days as the union boss?
And what about this...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_rorts_affair
Insert sour grapes emoji someone. WP is at it again.
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They all do it.
Sounds like the sort of excuse I used to get from my Yr 9 students when caught cheating.
:cheers
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As bad as things are they could always be worse
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They all do it. Past and present. It's not right but it's the system. You think Dan hasn't done any deals :banghead
You wanted shorten to lead this country right? Let's talk about his days as the union boss?
And what about this...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_rorts_affair
Insert sour grapes emoji someone. WP is at it again.
Another cheap shot at me personally from your seat I see Frankie
Re your link - did you read all of it? Did you see the bit about Kelly actually resigning from parliament? McKenzie hasn't done that all she did was resign form the ministry, if you think that's enough good on you.
If the parties were reversed, that is the current govt was in opposition they would be demanding the govt be removed about now
If you think the PM of this country lying about his own office's involvement about this whole sordid mess is OK, then again good for you
If you believe having his former head of staff conducting a review of what happened then refusing to release the actual report of the review and he came up with his findings is OK, good for you
If you think in this case the PM refusing to accept the finding's of an independant body (auditor general) and dismissing their report as not accurate is OK, then good for you.
But our PM like you it seems will accept findings of the Auditor General Office when it finds against opposition parties, unions or any sector but not when it is damning against this current govt. If you think that's honest and transparent them ...well good on you
there is no excuse for it this time or any of the previous time. It isn't "the system" it is corrupt, greedy individuals only worried about themselves and not those there are supposedly there to serve.
Simply by saying "it happens all the time" and "it's the system" you are condoning it which of course is your choice
But this govt must be held to account over this. It is $100 million that has gone not where it was intended and that is unacceptable and morally bankrupt
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You voted for Labor mate.
Give it a rest.
They're both corrupt. Neither one is worse than the other in that department
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They're both a little corrupt.
The right wing is too right. The left wing is too left.
We need to alternate right and left wings which is silly.
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My departments workload within the health industry has increased 4% in the last year. Funding from federal government has decreased 3% in each of the last two years.
So my program is expected to do more work with less resources. Typical of a far right wing government. With an ageing population also it's laughable.
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a far right wing government.
:biglaugh
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You voted for Labor mate.
Give it a rest.
They're both corrupt. Neither one is worse than the other in that department
Did I? Really? You I know this for fact? :wallywink
And no, I won't give to a rest. I don't give a rats which side of politics it falls under (though to some on here it's a massive influencer) this sort of corruption is wrong. Yes it has happened before and likely will happen again but that doesn't make right or acceptable
To have a PM that is so out of touch with reality and who blatantly lies time and time again to protect his job and his mates is insulting to ever Australian, yes including those who voted for them.
People want to shrug their shoulders be complacent and say "it happens" then go ahead but don't criticise those who want better for this great country of ours. Because we deserve better than this
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We also deserve better than Albanese and his mates
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You voted for Labor mate.
Give it a rest.
They're both corrupt. Neither one is worse than the other in that department
Did I? Really? You I know this for fact? :wallywink
And no, I won't give to a rest. I don't give a rats which side of politics it falls under (though to some on here it's a massive influencer) this sort of corruption is wrong. Yes it has happened before and likely will happen again but that doesn't make right or acceptable
To have a PM that is so out of touch with reality and who blatantly lies time and time again to protect his job and his mates is insulting to ever Australian, yes including those who voted for them.
People want to shrug their shoulders be complacent and say "it happens" then go ahead but don't criticise those who want better for this great country of ours. Because we deserve better than this
I don't think claiming you didn't vote Labor works out well for you given the alternative....... :shh
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Claiming? :banghead
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:shh :shh
feel free to list your votes................ :shh :shh :shh
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:shh :shh
feel free to list your votes................ :shh :shh :shh
I will if you will ;D
FYI
Just in case you've forgotten at an election you can either vote or not vote.
When one votes you actually cast 2 votes one for the Lower house and one for the upper house
People don't necessarily vote the same way for each .... you are allowed to do that :rollin
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You’re not even slightly humorous and your attempt at being patronising is a good example of why the left never gets anywhere
But sure
Below the line - Liberal Democrats, Craig Garland, One Nation and a slather of independents
Above the line - One Nation, Nationals, Liberals, Labor, United Aus, Greens.
Your turn
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You’re not even slightly humorous and your attempt at being patronising is a good example of why the left never gets anywhere
But sure
Below the line - Liberal Democrats, Craig Garland, One Nation and a slather of independents
Above the line - One Nation, Nationals, Liberals, Labor, United Aus, Green's.
Your turn
Unbelievable. :help
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Are you imploding again :lol
:cheers
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:shh
#deplorables :shh
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Is that some anti-gay Labor splinter group? Like the old DLP? :shh
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:lol
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You voted for Labor mate.
Give it a rest.
They're both corrupt. Neither one is worse than the other in that department
Did I? Really? You I know this for fact? :wallywink
And no, I won't give to a rest. I don't give a rats which side of politics it falls under (though to some on here it's a massive influencer) this sort of corruption is wrong. Yes it has happened before and likely will happen again but that doesn't make right or acceptable
To have a PM that is so out of touch with reality and who blatantly lies time and time again to protect his job and his mates is insulting to ever Australian, yes including those who voted for them.
People want to shrug their shoulders be complacent and say "it happens" then go ahead but don't criticise those who want better for this great country of ours. Because we deserve better than this
Sorry to say but you have completely lost your marbles.
No one said it's okay what has happened here, but you are a complete hypocrite when it comes to politics.
Bushfires occurred and you were all over Scomo from Marketing like a boo at a goodes game. I'm not 100% but did you say he should step down? He wasn't directly involved in the deaths, but sure he needed to be held to account. Go back 10 years and I couldnt find anything about how a brumby led government acted during black Saturday. Dan Andrews isn't clean either but yet I'm guessing no complaints there.
WP that kind of attitude in a political sense, is a big reason IMO why people still vote right and it seems to be on the winning team more often that not.
Your anger only seems to occur when your favoured side is not leading a government. :shh
Keep it up though shorten appreciates it.
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:shh
Wouldn’t expect a reply
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:shh
Wouldn’t expect a reply
Apologies I forgot about this and had family stuff on yesterday. Hope that's ok with you >:(
For the house of Reps I voted ALP but preferenced my way not their way, so the Lib dude got on at 3 instead of 5. Clive Palmers candidate who abused me because I wouldn't take their card got preferenced last
And in the Senate voted for Hinch's Justice Party because of what he achieved regarding Sex Offender register , Roysl Commission into Child Abuse etc.
As for Frankie bit of FYI for you. Yet again you had to throw in an insult...regarding Dan Andrews don't like the men at all. What he did to Fire fighters in their last EBA was disgraceful, what he did to the then minister who spoke out against it was even worse.
And as for #ScottyFromMarketing never said it but great suggestion, he should go. Not for the bushfire fiasco but this corruption. This far worse than him taking a holiday and lying about it
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Yes just like Keating resigned in the wake of the Ros Kelly sports rorts affair....oh wait... :shh
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Yes just like Keating resigned in the wake of the Ros Kelly sports rorts affair....oh wait... :shh
:lol :lol
And I get accused of only bagging my non preferred side of politics
Dredging up things from 20+ years ago :lol
If the forum existed back then I'd be going after Mr Banana Republic as hard as I time am #ScottyFromMarketing
Corruption is corruption, the side of politics is totally irrelevant .... unless of course you are suggesting otherwise
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So what clever little hashtag would you have used to refer to Keating? :shh
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#italiansuits
#recessionwehadtohave
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You forgot:
#antiqueclocks
#unrepresentativeswill
#lizardofoz
#failedbrianepsteinwannabe
#bankstownbranchstacker
:shh
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https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/pollies-party-in-bali/video/aa10f5d981ca70f5a65f101c1862ec2d
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
scomos fault.
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:shh
Wouldn’t expect a reply
Apologies I forgot about this and had family stuff on yesterday. Hope that's ok with you >:(
For the house of Reps I voted ALP but preferenced my way not their way, so the Lib dude got on at 3 instead of 5. Clive Palmers candidate who abused me because I wouldn't take their card got preferenced last
And in the Senate voted for Hinch's Justice Party because of what he achieved regarding Sex Offender register , Roysl Commission into Child Abuse etc.
As for Frankie bit of FYI for you. Yet again you had to throw in an insult...regarding Dan Andrews don't like the men at all. What he did to Fire fighters in their last EBA was disgraceful, what he did to the then minister who spoke out against it was even worse.
And as for #ScottyFromMarketing never said it but great suggestion, he should go. Not for the bushfire fiasco but this corruption. This far worse than him taking a holiday and lying about it
No consistency with you WP.
Look at the bali mp's holidaying. I personally dont have that much an issue with it, but stuff if that was some liberal mp's you and MT would be all over it like a cheap suit.
It seems you only point out corruption when its on the other side of the fence. They all bloody do it, and you voted for shorten :lol
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No consistency with you WP.
Look at the bali mp's holidaying. I personally dont have that much an issue with it, but stuff if that was some liberal mp's you and MT would be all over it like a cheap suit.
It seems you only point out corruption when its on the other side of the fence. They all bloody do it, and you voted for shorten :lol
You do understand I did not vote for Shorten, like you didn't vote for Scotty :huh3
And what do you mean no consistency?
You are the one that is jumping from belli holidays to corruption
And did you actaully read what I wrote about Mr Banana Republic, so please read things before you gping throwing statements around
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg671973#msg671973
So what clever little hashtag would you have used to refer to Keating? :shh
#MrBananaRepublic
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I liked Keating. Best parliamentary performer in the history of Australian politics.
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Look at the bali mp's holidaying. I personally dont have that much an issue with it, but stuff if that was some liberal mp's you and MT would be all over it like a cheap suit.
None of them were the Premier or the police and emergency services minister (Lisa Neville). Just 4 Greek Aussies doing the Zorba :wallywink ..... oh no hold the Herald-Sun front page :sleep.
Morrison was criticised not because he simply went on a family holiday but because:
(i) He didn't follow Westminster protocol and make public he was going on holiday and that McCormack would be acting PM in his absence.
(ii) His office wouldn't say he was in Hawaii when social media showed he was.
(iii) He had downplayed the seriousness of the bushfires.
(iv) He tried to deflect blame onto the NSW premier.
(v) He was more interested in producing a marketing video to try and make himself look good.
(vi) His visits to bushfire communities showed a complete lack of empathy including turning his back on a resident talking to him and forcing people including exhausted firefighters to shake his hand.
(vii) It was found out Morrison had refused to meet (ex-)fire chiefs in May last year who wanted to warn him about the then upcoming summer.
(viii) He leads a government of man-made climate change deniers and scientific illiterates. Eg: Craig Kelly embarrassed Australia on British morning TV and Molan the other week said he doesn't rely on scientific evidence :facepalm.
(ix) He used accounting tricks rather than emission reductions to meet our Kyoto II 2020 target and claims we'll meet our Paris 2030 targets despite our total emissions now rising again since the LNP abolished carbon pricing.
(x) He bags Labor's emission target as "economy wrecking" despite the BCA supporting it and while his own government paper says it will rely on state Labor government reduction targets of 50% in Vic, Qld & the NT to meet our Paris 2030 agreement.
Morrison is full of it! The same goes for his denials and lies regarding his government's systemic rorting of taxpayers money. His so-called delivered (past-tense) surplus for 2019-2020 looks like being another lie as well.
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:lol
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Kudos to Scotty from Marketing for being pro-active about the Corona Virus
It's a good move
Credit where it's due
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finally wp. Some kudos for the great man.
in all seriousness this virus is a big hoax to drive fear and anxiety into the community. Spoke to someone today who informed me people at school were stockpiling just incase
:lol :lol
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finally wp. Some kudos for the great man.
in all seriousness this virus is a big hoax to drive fear and anxiety into the community. Spoke to someone today who informed me people at school were stockpiling just incase
:lol :lol
Trump trying to destroy the Chinese economy.
:lol
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finally wp. Some kudos for the great man.
in all seriousness this virus is a big hoax to drive fear and anxiety into the community. Spoke to someone today who informed me people at school were stockpiling just incase
:lol :lol
Pretty sure this families of those who have died don't think it is big hoax. Nor, those who have had it :huh3
Don't think it is a laughing matter at all
Better to be prepared than not
Think as nation we've seen the devastation when we are not prepared for something
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I'm not laughing about anyone who dies, but some perspective about the rate of death as opposed to other diseases and also SARS. It feels bigger only because of social media which wasn't as big a part as the previous
Sure it's good to be prepared for anything but I suspect sometime before the Olympics it will rebound
These things don't last forever
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I'm not laughing about anyone who dies, but some perspective about the rate of death as opposed to other diseases and also SARS. It feels bigger only because of social media which wasn't as big a part as the previous
Sure it's good to be prepared for anything but I suspect sometime before the Olympics it will rebound
These things don't last forever
Fair points
But when the epicentre is China and so many countries (ours included) rely so heavily on trade with China this is a major issues across the globe.
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/andrews-urges-stimulus-as-state-teeters-on-the-brink-of-recession-20200305-p5475i.html?fbclid=IwAR1PW3DWw3gFhfYoBitz8HLEUm8Ye-ry3DVmHcI_x6AC1azKZqZmuQTHSH8
doing a great job is Dan. Must be as a result of the fires aye. :shh
what do they expect when you have such a flog like pallas in charge of the books. Look what he is doing in the west, and now he is screwing up the rest of the state.
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Seems like Bridget McKenzie has had enough of being the fall guy for ScoMo.
Once again ScoMo has been shown to be loose with the truth (ie he is a lying son of a bitch)
Not to be trusted.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/unbeknown-to-me-mckenzie-rejects-sports-rorts-back-dating-claim-20200305-p547d4.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/unbeknown-to-me-mckenzie-rejects-sports-rorts-back-dating-claim-20200305-p547d4.html)
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Seems like Bridget McKenzie has had enough of being the fall guy for ScoMo.
Once again ScoMo has been shown to be loose with the truth (ie he is a lying son of a bitch)
Not to be trusted.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/unbeknown-to-me-mckenzie-rejects-sports-rorts-back-dating-claim-20200305-p547d4.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/unbeknown-to-me-mckenzie-rejects-sports-rorts-back-dating-claim-20200305-p547d4.html)
And so predictable that he's been caught lying again ::).
Morrison is full of it! The same goes for his denials and lies regarding his government's systemic rorting of taxpayers money. His so-called delivered (past-tense) surplus for 2019-2020 looks like being another lie as well.
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The Aussie stock market has taken a 6% hit so far today. Biggest daily fall since the GFC. Energy sector down 18% due to the fall in the global oil price due to falling global demand.
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PM considers ‘Rudd era’ cash handouts to mitigate coronavirus economic fallout.
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6139563663001
:whistle
ps. I could do with a new computer ;D.
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Should be increasing Newstart but they won't. Those poor bastards will be hit the hardest if things get dire
I'll take a handout though why not :shh
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PM considers ‘Rudd era’ cash handouts to mitigate coronavirus economic fallout.
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6139563663001
:whistle
ps. I could do with a new computer ;D.
Haha, waiting for the righties to come out and say it's a good idea when all the did was pan Rudd.
Evidence suggests the stimulus package helped - although I would have structured it differently perhaps (IE. cash only given to people spending on Aus businesses/industries).
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The Federal Government has announced a $17.6 billion economic stimulus package .
Key points:
* The Government will pump $11 billion into the economy between now and July
* Welfare recipients will get $750, and there will be tax breaks for small businesses
* The Government concedes it will not deliver its forecast surplus for this financial year
More than 6 million welfare recipients, including pensioners, carers, veterans, families, young people and jobseekers will get a one-off cash payment of $750 from March 31. The one-off payments will cost the Government $4.8 billion.
Mr Morrison also said casual workers who contracted COVID-19, or had to isolate themselves, would be eligible for a Newstart welfare payment while out of work. The typical wait time to access the payment will be waived, but people will face an assets test before receiving the money.
Nearly 700,000 small and medium businesses will receive cash payments of between $2,000 and $25,000 to help pay wages or hire extra staff. The measure is the largest part of the package, and is estimated to cost $6.7 billion.
Medium and big businesses will be encouraged to spend on equipment and other investments through an extension of the instant asset write-off, which means they can claim a tax break for what they spend. This is currently restricted to companies with turnovers of up to $50 million, for maximum investments of $30,000. But this will be significantly lifted, allowing companies with turnovers of up to $500 million to make assets write-offs of up to $150,000.
The stimulus package also includes $1.3 billion in support payments to keep apprentices in their jobs amid fears the spread of the coronavirus could have a crippling effect on employment.
The stimulus package also includes a $1 billion fund to help the tourism sector.
The Government yesterday allocated $2.4 billion for a health package, including 100 pop-up coronavirus fever clinics and a new Medicare item to deliver health advice remotely.
Finance Minister Mathias Cormann has now confirmed that there is "obviously not going to be a surplus year in 2019-20". Prime Minister Scott Morrison now says the full extent of the deficit will be revealed in May's federal budget. "The way we've designed this stimulus is to ensure that it doesn't have a fiscal hangover down the track, that it doesn't bury the budget for a decade."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/federal-government-coronavirus-economic-stimulus/12042972
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That's what I call a stimulus not that Rudd fiasco.
I do like how not everyone is getting the $750
Well played Scomo
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Let's wait and see before we praise Scotty from Marketing too much.
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Wait and see what?
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If Electricity Bill or Each Way Albo were in charge we'd already be like Italy... :shh
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That's what I call a stimulus not that Rudd fiasco.
:lol
For all of Rudd's faults and the pink bats program being rushed out uncontrolled and stuffed up, Australia all-up avoided a recession under his watch. So the stimulus in its entirety back then did its job and worked.
After a decade of LNP sycophants slamming the use of multi-billion dollar spending to fight our way out of the last global economic crisis rather than cutting government spending, we now have the LNP resorting to multi-billion dollar spending :lol. Nothing like hypocrisy! If this was Labor doing this they would going off their nut screaming "economic mismanagement", "budget emergency" and "we need an election" as Abbott did but because it's the LNP more "debt and deficits" is all good :whistle. Since 2013, this LNP government had racked up more debt than all preceding governments back to federation combined.
The Reserve Bank and senior economists had been calling for stimulus for our ailing economy for the past couple of years yet Morrison and co. were more obsessed with playing politics proclaiming an imaginary surplus, offering tax cuts and backing unsustainable middle class welfare like $6 billion dollars worth of franking credits and negative gearing that the country could increasingly no longer afford and that failed to stimulate the economy anyway.
I do like how not everyone is getting the $750
You mean like how the most vulnerable to an economic crisis - the low-paid working class - got stuff all? The very people who need and would spend the money and stimulate the economy in large numbers as consumers are getting nothing. Businesses curb their spending when they are in financial trouble and their customers are no longer buying their stuff. Consumer confidence was down even before the bushfire and corona crises. So $3 out of $4 in this package going to business (hello trickle-down economics!) is a flaw.
Wait and see what?
Wait and see ... for the need for another multi-billion dollar stimulus package. Morrison is kidding himself if he thinks the economic effects of this will be over by the end of June. Stock markets have crashed and are continuing to fall :help. Wall Street had its biggest fall overnight since the 1987 October crash. The latter lead to a global recession.
If Electricity Bill or Each Way Albo were in charge we'd already be like Italy... :shh
This post didn't age well beyond even half a day given the Morrison government has banned all mass gatherings (starting Monday so Morrison can go to the NRL footy this weekend :facepalm) and is increasing the travel bans. Sadly, this is only the beginning [/inserts :shh].
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:lol
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:lol
Well said 🤔
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If Electricity Bill or Each Way Albo were in charge we'd already be like Italy... :shh
This post didn't age well beyond even half a day given the Morrison government has banned all mass gatherings (starting Monday so Morrison can go to the NRL footy this weekend :facepalm) and is increasing the travel bans. Sadly, this is only the beginning [/inserts :shh].
Well that's still nothing like where Italy is right now or even has been for over two weeks and as usual you've completely missed the point... :shh
..and LMAO @ seriously thinking Morrison is delaying measures just so he can go to the footy.... ::)
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..and LMAO @ seriously thinking Morrison is delaying measures just so he can go to the footy.... ::)
Apart from what Scotty from Marketing actually said.
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If Electricity Bill or Each Way Albo were in charge we'd already be like Italy... :shh
This post didn't age well beyond even half a day given the Morrison government has banned all mass gatherings (starting Monday so Morrison can go to the NRL footy this weekend :facepalm) and is increasing the travel bans. Sadly, this is only the beginning [/inserts :shh].
Well that's still nothing like where Italy is right now or even has been for over two weeks and as usual you've completely missed the point... :shh
Italy was nothing like China two weeks ago. The UK is nothing like Italy now yet it's predicted that the UK is four weeks behind Italy. If you think the number of corona cases here are not going to rise then you're kidding yourself. The health measures are designed to spread the large number of cases that will develop over time so as to not overwhelm the hospital system. That doesn't mean a large chunk of the population won't still catch it here. We haven't even hit the colder months yet, unlike the northern hemisphere, when illnesses such as the flu spike.
..and LMAO @ seriously thinking Morrison is delaying measures just so he can go to the footy.... ::)
Apart from Morrison today boasting about himself still being able to go to the footy thanks to the ban not starting until Monday :facepalm. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. I'm saying Morrison is clueless, lacks empathy and fails to lead as usual.
By the way, Dutton is in hospital with covid-19.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-13/peter-dutton-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/12055104
Dutton was at that special cabinet meeting on Tuesday. So the PM is planning to go to the footy despite being in contact with someone that has the virus. What happened to going into isolation for 14 days?! Yep he's clueless :facepalm.
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If Electricity Bill or Each Way Albo were in charge we'd already be like Italy... :shh
This post didn't age well beyond even half a day given the Morrison government has banned all mass gatherings (starting Monday so Morrison can go to the NRL footy this weekend :facepalm) and is increasing the travel bans. Sadly, this is only the beginning [/inserts :shh].
Well that's still nothing like where Italy is right now or even has been for over two weeks and as usual you've completely missed the point... :shh
Italy was nothing like China two weeks ago. The UK is nothing like Italy now yet it's predicted that the UK is four weeks behind Italy. If you think the number of corona cases here are not going to rise then you're kidding yourself. The health measures are designed to spread the large number of cases that will develop over time so as to not overwhelm the hospital system. That doesn't mean a large chunk of the population won't still catch it here. We haven't even hit the colder months yet, unlike the northern hemisphere, when illnesses such as the flu spike.
FMD..not only did you miss the point the first time around but you then proceed to miss it again by an even wider margin...a truly special kind of ignorant.. :shh
..and LMAO @ seriously thinking Morrison is delaying measures just so he can go to the footy.... ::)
Apart from Morrison today boasting about himself still being able to go to the footy thanks to the ban not starting until Monday :facepalm. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. I'm saying Morrison is clueless, lacks empathy and fails to lead as usual.
So the experts advised him to implement the measures immediately and he said "nah stuff that I wanna go watch the Sharkies first..wait until Monday"... ok then.... ::)... and if a Labor PM had made a similar throwaway line --you'd would've fawned all over him for being "a knockabout man of the people" so spare me your feigned ideologically driven outrage...: :shh
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Well he's not going now in the wake of Dutton's diagnosis and also due to the chance his attendance will be misrepresented (gee by the likes of whom I wonder?)..so guess 65, MT and the rest of the leftist mongol hordes will have to find/invent something else to be outraged at him about... #MDS :shh
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If Electricity Bill or Each Way Albo were in charge we'd already be like Italy... :shh
This post didn't age well beyond even half a day given the Morrison government has banned all mass gatherings (starting Monday so Morrison can go to the NRL footy this weekend :facepalm) and is increasing the travel bans. Sadly, this is only the beginning [/inserts :shh].
Well that's still nothing like where Italy is right now or even has been for over two weeks and as usual you've completely missed the point... :shh
Italy was nothing like China two weeks ago. The UK is nothing like Italy now yet it's predicted that the UK is four weeks behind Italy. If you think the number of corona cases here are not going to rise then you're kidding yourself. The health measures are designed to spread the large number of cases that will develop over time so as to not overwhelm the hospital system. That doesn't mean a large chunk of the population won't still catch it here. We haven't even hit the colder months yet, unlike the northern hemisphere, when illnesses such as the flu spike.
FMD..not only did you miss the point the first time around but you then proceed to miss it again by an even wider margin...a truly special kind of ignorant.. :shh
Resorting to insults and planning the man is only an admittance you have no argument. Didn't Maggie teach you that :shh.
You're the one who brought up Italy. If there's a "point" regarding Italy it can only be the economy or corona. Now debt levels over the past 7 years under the LNP government have more than doubled to ever growing record levels and the level of stimulus planned by Morrison is similar to Italy's (A$17-22 billion). So it's not that :shh. That leaves corona and the outbreak and subsequent shutdown in Italy over the time frame you mentioned (i.e. the past two weeks). Whether the LNP or ALP were in power, either would follow the medical advice and response being suggested by our medical experts here. Andrews mentioned that today at COAG.
..and LMAO @ seriously thinking Morrison is delaying measures just so he can go to the footy.... ::)
Apart from Morrison today boasting about himself still being able to go to the footy thanks to the ban not starting until Monday :facepalm. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. I'm saying Morrison is clueless, lacks empathy and fails to lead as usual.
So the experts advised him to implement the measures immediately and he said "nah stuff that I wanna go watch the Sharkies first..wait until Monday"... ok then.... ::)... and if a Labor PM had made a similar throwaway line --you'd would've fawned all over him for being "a knockabout man of the people" so spare me your feigned ideologically driven outrage...: :shh
It was typical Scotty from Marketing once again during a crisis thinking about his own image first by trying to play "a knockabout man of the people" and surprise surprise the public saw through his BS. It backfired on him once again especially given he had been in contact with Dutton yet he was still going :facepalm. He's only option was to backflip :shh.
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That's what I call a stimulus not that Rudd fiasco.
:lol
For all of Rudd's faults and the pink bats program being rushed out uncontrolled and stuffed up, Australia all-up avoided a recession under his watch. So the stimulus in its entirety back then did its job and worked.
After a decade of LNP sycophants slamming the use of multi-billion dollar spending to fight our way out of the last global economic crisis rather than cutting government spending, we now have the LNP resorting to multi-billion dollar spending :lol. Nothing like hypocrisy! If this was Labor doing this they would going off their nut screaming "economic mismanagement", "budget emergency" and "we need an election" as Abbott did but because it's the LNP more "debt and deficits" is all good :whistle. Since 2013, this LNP government had racked up more debt than all preceding governments back to federation combined.
The Reserve Bank and senior economists had been calling for stimulus for our ailing economy for the past couple of years yet Morrison and co. were more obsessed with playing politics proclaiming an imaginary surplus, offering tax cuts and backing unsustainable middle class welfare like $6 billion dollars worth of franking credits and negative gearing that the country could increasingly no longer afford and that failed to stimulate the economy anyway.
I do like how not everyone is getting the $750
You mean like how the most vulnerable to an economic crisis - the low-paid working class - got stuff all? The very people who need and would spend the money and stimulate the economy in large numbers as consumers are getting nothing. Businesses curb their spending when they are in financial trouble and their customers are no longer buying their stuff. Consumer confidence was down even before the bushfire and corona crises. So $3 out of $4 in this package going to business (hello trickle-down economics!) is a flaw. [/u]
Wait and see what?
Wait and see ... for the need for another multi-billion dollar stimulus package. Morrison is kidding himself if he thinks the economic effects of this will be over by the end of June. Stock markets have crashed and are continuing to fall :help. Wall Street had its biggest fall overnight since the 1987 October crash. The latter lead to a global recession.
If Electricity Bill or Each Way Albo were in charge we'd already be like Italy... :shh
This post didn't age well beyond even half a day given the Morrison government has banned all mass gatherings (starting Monday so Morrison can go to the NRL footy this weekend :facepalm) and is increasing the travel bans. Sadly, this is only the beginning [/inserts :shh].
the people that need it are going to get it. Those on unemployment benefits, or any type of newstart re getting it. Even those who are not receiving financial benefits (like commonwealth seniors health card holders) will get it.
Maybe its time to stop feeling sorry for yourself if you dont receive the cash and be grateful that others are.
Rudd avoided a recession due to the efforts of those before him. He was the steve bradbury during that time. If we happen to avoid a recession this time you will probably still blame scomo for going to hawaii.
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That's what I call a stimulus not that Rudd fiasco.
:lol
For all of Rudd's faults and the pink bats program being rushed out uncontrolled and stuffed up, Australia all-up avoided a recession under his watch. So the stimulus in its entirety back then did its job and worked.
After a decade of LNP sycophants slamming the use of multi-billion dollar spending to fight our way out of the last global economic crisis rather than cutting government spending, we now have the LNP resorting to multi-billion dollar spending :lol. Nothing like hypocrisy! If this was Labor doing this they would going off their nut screaming "economic mismanagement", "budget emergency" and "we need an election" as Abbott did but because it's the LNP more "debt and deficits" is all good :whistle. Since 2013, this LNP government had racked up more debt than all preceding governments back to federation combined.
The Reserve Bank and senior economists had been calling for stimulus for our ailing economy for the past couple of years yet Morrison and co. were more obsessed with playing politics proclaiming an imaginary surplus, offering tax cuts and backing unsustainable middle class welfare like $6 billion dollars worth of franking credits and negative gearing that the country could increasingly no longer afford and that failed to stimulate the economy anyway.
I do like how not everyone is getting the $750
You mean like how the most vulnerable to an economic crisis - the low-paid working class - got stuff all? The very people who need and would spend the money and stimulate the economy in large numbers as consumers are getting nothing. Businesses curb their spending when they are in financial trouble and their customers are no longer buying their stuff. Consumer confidence was down even before the bushfire and corona crises. So $3 out of $4 in this package going to business (hello trickle-down economics!) is a flaw. [/u]
Wait and see what?
Wait and see ... for the need for another multi-billion dollar stimulus package. Morrison is kidding himself if he thinks the economic effects of this will be over by the end of June. Stock markets have crashed and are continuing to fall :help. Wall Street had its biggest fall overnight since the 1987 October crash. The latter lead to a global recession.
If Electricity Bill or Each Way Albo were in charge we'd already be like Italy... :shh
This post didn't age well beyond even half a day given the Morrison government has banned all mass gatherings (starting Monday so Morrison can go to the NRL footy this weekend :facepalm) and is increasing the travel bans. Sadly, this is only the beginning [/inserts :shh].
the people that need it are going to get it. Those on unemployment benefits, or any type of newstart re getting it. Even those who are not receiving financial benefits (like commonwealth seniors health card holders) will get it.
Maybe its time to stop feeling sorry for yourself if you dont receive the cash and be grateful that others are.
Rudd avoided a recession due to the efforts of those before him. He was the steve bradbury during that time. If we happen to avoid a recession this time you will probably still blame scomo for going to hawaii.
It's really getting to some that the first recession in 30 years may occur under the LNP :shh. Like they deludedly believe this isn't meant to happen and it hasn't happened before. Some of us are old enough to remember Australia being driven into the dirt in the early 80s thanks to their refusal to adapt, reform the economy and modernise the country as the world changed. Being conservative and not making the hard decisions eventually fails.
I wasn't talking about myself ::). I don't need any payment. I was talking about low-paid workers in retail, hospitality, tourism, etc ... who will at 'best' lose a large slice of their income and at worst lose their jobs. The rent/mortgage and bills won't stop just because their income/jobs have. And don't say there's Newstart as that is below the poverty line and history shows there's no guarantee of their jobs returning post-downturn as before. The government hasn't raised Newstart either despite calls from every sector to do so. I'm not saying pensioners don't need the payment but at least pensioners receive welfare already in the form of the aged pension. But hey who cares about the poor workers. Let them eat cake instead ::).
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/margaret-courts-victory-life-church-boasts-coronavirus-immunity/news-story/1e1b95f4b0aadd1b3fa776fe6de88477
:facepalm
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https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-overseas-arrivals-in-australia-have-to-selfisolate-for-two-weeks/news-story/87d923137de264df9f54f33be3ac1996
:bow :bow
Any comments WP and MT or we still upset about Hawaii.
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https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-overseas-arrivals-in-australia-have-to-selfisolate-for-two-weeks/news-story/87d923137de264df9f54f33be3ac1996
:bow :bow
Any comments WP and MT or we still upset about Hawaii.
You do realise as that article states at the bottom there was joint special national cabinet meeting today involving all (including every ALP/LNP state/territory) governments? NZ had also announced the same self-isolation instruction on all arrivals yesterday. The Kiwi sides in the NRL & A-League are going to remain and be based in Australia as a result.
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Typical of you MT to not acknowledge anything this guy does that's actually good
Gee mate I like your work but you are very petty and biased at times when discussing the libs.
Even I acknowledge and applaud Arden for showing some leadership in her country despite what I think of her. Scomo does the same and yet he will cop abuse for it.
Wake up mate 65 has left Scomo has led by example here.
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Wake up mate 65 has left Scomo has led by example here.
65 has left????
Sorry, same poo different pyjamas.
:cheers
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:lol
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I think a lot of countries are going to go into recession due to the virus
Very unfair blaming it on the ruling party of the day, or possibly a move made from a set agenda
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Scott Morrison is one of the most poorly equipped leaders I have ever seen. He has just had a practice run at crisis management, which he failed miserably, and seems to have not learned a thing from it.
As a matter of urgency he needs to:
-add the USA to the Do Not Travel list and not allow anyone in who has been there recently
-self isolate as he has been meeting closely with a carrier who was in the incubation stage
-recall the Army reserves from burnt forest raking and get them to start building hospitals, at worst they can set up MASH style units for the peak period.
While it's true that there is not much point in blaming state leaders for worldwide recessions, this one is a special case. Morrison and Frydenberg were claiming credit for, and congratulating themselves, for a surplus that they in 6 years have not been able to achieve. As previous mentioned, the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison governments have accrued more debt than all of the governments in Australia's history combined.
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Well one good thing about this Coronavirus ...don't see many leftists banging on about open borders these days...#silverlinings :shh
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https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-overseas-arrivals-in-australia-have-to-selfisolate-for-two-weeks/news-story/87d923137de264df9f54f33be3ac1996
:bow :bow
Any comments WP and MT or we still upset about Hawaii.
Funny I thought I gave him some credit a fortnight ago
Since then he has gone back to being a moron... "I'm going to the footy", refusing to get tested... blah, blah
Agree with the latest decision but if we are truly honest it was another reactive decision not decisively leadership
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I thought he didn’t end up going to the footy
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I thought he didn’t end up going to the footy
True; Julz he didn't
But that was only after he whacked for saying it
He misread the situation again
Leading by example isn't Scotty from Marketing's mantra
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Scotty from Marketing does seem way out of his depth. Just like the stuffwit running the USA.
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:lol
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Today we declared a State of Emergency for Victoria. This declaration gives the Victorian Chief Health Officer the powers required to enforce the quarantine and isolation measures agreed yesterday by Premiers, Chief Ministers and the Prime Minister.
https://twitter.com/DanielAndrewsMP
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Typical of you MT to not acknowledge anything this guy does that's actually good
Gee mate I like your work but you are very petty and biased at times when discussing the libs.
Even I acknowledge and applaud Arden for showing some leadership in her country despite what I think of her. Scomo does the same and yet he will cop abuse for it.
Wake up mate 65 has left Scomo has led by example here.
The initial China ban was a tick and I'm glad he (and the national cabinet which has 5 Labor/3 Lib first ministers as well) are following the expert medical advice.
However, let's see what the 'second' stimulus package involves as the first one proposed was inadequate. Economists are now talking about 500k people losing their jobs and the unemployment rate rising to double digits. What Morrison initially claimed would be a quick in-out "V" recovery in a couple of months has now stretched out to at least a longer "U" (|____|) 6-month recession.
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I like Scomo. A man of the people.
He is very articulate without being a wanker and doesn’t prevaricate like the rest
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I like Scomo. A man of the people.
He is very articulate without being a wanker and doesn’t prevaricate like the rest
"A man of the people"?
What? If your a member of Hillsong? Or any other religious group?
He's many things but a man of the people, not even close
He is so out of touch as he has proven during the first 3 months of 2020
Sidebar, today's presser was the most prime ministerial he's ever sounded, when he went whack over the morons panic buying.
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Must've missed the part where he overturned Australia's secular status and made Pentecostalism the official state religion....are we officially a theocracy yet? Did he even ban people from using the lord's name in vain just because one "Christian" complained? :shh
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If Albo was PM everything would be okay. A true man of honour. Maybe he could team up with Adam Bandt to form a power duo, 2 leaders Australia can really get behind. :)
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Maybe he could team up with Adam Bandt
The Watermelons seem to have gone awfully quiet of late.... :shh
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Some comments on COVID 19 a few pages back are not going to age well
And ...
Time for Federal govt to get tough....
Time for states to get tough too.
Kudos Tas & NT govs for getting bloody tough
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Victoria wants schools shut from Tuesday. Planning to go it alone if Feds don't.
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Victoria wants schools shut from Tuesday. Planning to go it alone if Feds don't.
Source please. 👍
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Victoria wants schools shut from Tuesday. Planning to go it alone if Feds don't.
Source please. 👍
All good. Found it on the CH 9 site.
😁
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Federal government stimulus package II:
* Cost of package is $66 billion.
* Businesses with <$50m turnover receive a tax-free cash payment of up to $100,000.
* Newstart/Jobseeker payment doubled to $1075.
* Sole traders or casual workers who have had their income or hours reduced by 20% or more as a result of coronavirus will also be able to access to up to $10,000 of their superannuation tax-free.
* Pensioners will receive another $750 paid on July 13. Deeming rates lowered to 0.25%.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/coronavirus-second-stimulus-package-how-much-money-you-will-get/12078972
It was also mentioned the economic downturn is and is expected to be worse than what was expected when the first stimulus package was announced.
A third package may also be needed.
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Reports of queues today at Centrelink branches even with Stage 1 shutdowns.
It wouldn't surprise me if it gets to the situation where the government will have to temporarily nationalise essential services when we get to full lockdown mode. By that stage the majority of the population will be dependent on government support anyway with most businesses closed and workers unemployed.
There's also going to be a need for an international agreement post this corona-crisis to eliminate each country's national debt otherwise it will be crippling to any global economic recovery. Our debt ceiling has been lifted to $850b and these 'stimulus' packages are equivalent to 14% of our GDP being added to our national debt. Other countries are even further in debt (over 100% of the GDP). Australia got hammered in the Great Depression because going into it we relied on large borrowings (from the UK in those days) and austere measures were then imposed. This virus should eventually dissipate by this time next year but the economic downturn that it has caused could last for many years. History shows things are never the same to the way they were before such a severe downturn.
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I praised Scotty from marketing the other week
But tonight after another shambolic presser he deserves a good kicking
Just make tough decision which happens to be an easy decision. We need to be lockdown. We don't need tonight's Clayton's lockdown.
What a shambles :banghead
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Scomo delivering when it matters. They are all working as a team in the cabinet, and thats how it should be.
He has gone up a notch in my estimates. Spoke from the heart when he said every job is essential. WP, you may think its okay to move to a full lockdown but more jobs will be lost.
If people did the right thing we wouldnt be in this mess, but we live with a bunch of soul less mofos, and it starts with those idiots from the geelong football club. What a disgrace that club is.
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Scomo delivering when it matters. They are all working as a team in the cabinet, and thats how it should be.
He has gone up a notch in my estimates. Spoke from the heart when he said every job is essential. WP, you may think its okay to move to a full lockdown but more jobs will be lost.
If people did the right thing we wouldnt be in this mess, but we live with a bunch of soul less mofos, and it starts with those idiots from the geelong football club. What a disgrace that club is.
I watched last night he came across (again) as clueless. At times contradicted himself multiple times
This mornings presser where he had time to prepare he came across as a leader.
Problem we have is we don't see that often enough
What has he delivered exactly? Outside his constant mixed messages?
He and his govt are reactive. Now is not the time to be reactive, to,e to be proactive. Like Singapore, Canada and dare I say it NZ
Frank, I'm well aware what a complete lockdown will mean but right now IMO people's lives are just a bit more important. And that's where we are at now.
A month ago if we had shut our borders and did a full lockdown we'd be in much better position than what we are today
Agree with you about the selfish actions of so many...
But as i've said many times that we are living in the "what's in it for me" age and that equates to selfishness. Multiple govt's have promoted this and I doubt they don't even realise it. But here we are. So it is of no surprise people are listening
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Scomo delivering when it matters. They are all working as a team in the cabinet, and thats how it should be.
He has gone up a notch in my estimates. Spoke from the heart when he said every job is essential. WP, you may think its okay to move to a full lockdown but more jobs will be lost.
If people did the right thing we wouldnt be in this mess, but we live with a bunch of soul less mofos, and it starts with those idiots from the geelong football club. What a disgrace that club is.
It was the Norf idiots
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Scomo delivering when it matters. They are all working as a team in the cabinet, and thats how it should be.
He has gone up a notch in my estimates. Spoke from the heart when he said every job is essential. WP, you may think its okay to move to a full lockdown but more jobs will be lost.
If people did the right thing we wouldnt be in this mess, but we live with a bunch of soul less mofos, and it starts with those idiots from the geelong football club. What a disgrace that club is.
It was the Norf idiots
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/third-afl-player-caught-defying-coronavirus-restrictions-with-late-night-house-party-c-762057
these wankers make me sick truly.
Not that i think this virus is all that bad, except for the elderly. My issue is these blokes are all loaded with a whole heap of cash and people are losing their jobs all around us.
If that was our club i would be disgusted, which we know it wouldnt be.
stuff that club
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Scotty from marketing gets a whack.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/26/australia-is-scared-and-confused-about-coronavirus-is-scott-morrison-the-leader-we-need-for-this-grave-moment (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/26/australia-is-scared-and-confused-about-coronavirus-is-scott-morrison-the-leader-we-need-for-this-grave-moment)
"But what is clear is that Morrison is also doing his level best to keep us all confused. Tuesday night’s press conference was the prime minister at his bumbling, inept worst."
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Yeah and that great leader of the left Anthony Albanese is hitting it out of the ballpark atm. Labor is nowhere during this crisis
Better to have someone like Morrison in charge. At least hes having a go at controlling the crisis
Labor have exited stage left. No where to be seen when the heats on.
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The Red Guard-ian is criticising a conservative leader? Well colour me shocked! :shh
Only a true far-left mouthbreather would take anything seriously that hysterical Marxist shyterag says... :shh :shh
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Yeah and that great leader of the left Anthony Albanese is hitting it out of the ballpark atm. Labor is nowhere during this crisis
Better to have someone like Morrison in charge. At least hes having a go at controlling the crisis
Labor have exited stage left. No where to be seen when the heats on.
Whoopi he's having a go... please, need more than someone having a go
And clearly you are not watching news services, but anyways
And I know it will pain ,many but Dan Adnrews has been excellent through this crisis.
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Of course he has comrade, of course he has..... :shh ::)
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To be fair to Red Dan though, as a socialist, his cup runneth over atm...after all, shutting down businesses and the economy, controlling the populace and restricting their freedom is what they relish and are pretty much born to do.. so he'd well & truly be in his element right now.. :shh
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To be fair to Red Dan though, as a socialist, his cup runneth over atm...after all, shutting down businesses and the economy, controlling the populace and restricting their freedom is what they relish and are pretty much born to do.. so he'd well & truly be in his element right now.. :shh
Does this review/description apply to liberal Gladys up in NEW too
Oh just Labor pollies in general ::)
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It was joke Joyce....still, pretty rich coming from you nonetheless.... :shh
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Would love to do a swap. Scotty from Marketing for Jacinda Ardern.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-clarity-is-the-quality-that-makes-jacinda-ardern-so-effective-in-a-crisis/news-story/efbb0fcc2f80f12e83719c4f2428f5b5
One quality makes Jacinda Ardern particularly effective in a crisis. It’s an ingredient Australia’s coronavirus responses has lacked.
Clarity is the quality that makes Jacinda Ardern so effective in a crisis.
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Yeah and that great leader of the left Anthony Albanese is hitting it out of the ballpark atm. Labor is nowhere during this crisis
Better to have someone like Morrison in charge. At least hes having a go at controlling the crisis
Labor have exited stage left. No where to be seen when the heats on.
Whoopi he's having a go... please, need more than someone having a go
And clearly you are not watching news services, but anyways
And I know it will pain ,many but Dan Adnrews has been excellent through this crisis.
Actually I've changed my mind he has let himself down and is having a shocker.
He is all bark and no bite much like vicpol. Stands there talking about death then under his watch we saw lines and lines and Centrelink and swarms of people at stkilda. What a hyprocrite and a toothless tiger.
He stood there crapping on about Bondi then under his watch the same thing happened here. He is too reactive. He is now running a close second in terms of having nfi with the Sydney premier. Both have had shockers this week.
Fancy still having our borders open and having folk get off planes and go play polo in Portsea. The best premiers imo at present is the wa one. Very quick and proactive.
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https://7news.com.au/politics/scott-morrisons-popularity-surges-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-c-957637?fbclid=IwAR1DnUQmvLRwgb6-zyujHYkCVtMqNc5B5UL1osVSXUq5iRFHc9VvIiidPUs
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Does anybody know who is the architect behind the JobKeeper program?
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:fishing
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No. It was a serious question.
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Does anybody know who is the architect behind the JobKeeper program?
Wage subsidy program pushes by the opposition and Unions
Greg Combat major architect.
What is most pleasing is the govt is working with all stakeholders including unions
Sally McManus has had a lot of input as well
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ScoMo is facing a choice between saving lives and saving the economy.
Which one do you think he will choose?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-cruel-choice-for-australia-in-the-next-virus-modelling-numbers-20200406-p54hgy.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-cruel-choice-for-australia-in-the-next-virus-modelling-numbers-20200406-p54hgy.html)
Australia is about to face a cruel choice between protecting health and protecting the economy, with no way to dodge a decision.
National cabinet will consider modelling on Tuesday to guide the country to the endgame in suppressing COVID-19 without wrecking the economy.
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Wage subsidy program pushes by the opposition and Unions
Greg Combat major architect.
What is most pleasing is the govt is working with all stakeholders including unions
Sally McManus has had a lot of input as well
With this being a Labor idea and the State Premiers making most of the decisions I wonder what ScoMo has actually done.
Wait maybe ScoMo with his marketing background actually thought of the names JobSeeker and JobKeeper.
Well done ScMo
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Labor couldnt organise a root in a brothel. Morrisson doing an great job.
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Labor couldnt organise a root in a brothel. Morrisson doing an great job.
He sure is. Leading by example. Tiger tragic/65 just cant see it, as he is still caught up in how they lost the last election.
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'65 still hasn't got over the '75 election...#maintaintherage :shh
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Labor couldnt organise a root in a brothel. Morrisson doing an great job.
He sure is. Leading by example. Tiger tragic/65 just cant see it, as he is still caught up in how they lost the last election.
Not true.
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'65 still hasn't got over the '75 election...#maintaintherage :shh
Sad but true. I was there and it hurt.
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Still quiet on here :shh. MT still waiting for your comments about the country's performance led by Scomo? A sign of a great leader is one who can work with a team, and he has certainly done that with the national cabinet.
Other than the imbecile Gladys if anyone can fault the performance of the federal government they have truly lost the plot. Even dan despite a few mistakes (golf, bonking) still scores very high.
It's been a remarkable leadership performance so far.
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Nice try. Scomo has done nothing but pinch other people's ideas.
Time will not judge him well.
:cheers
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Scomo has made big decisions at a moment of national and internatuonal crisis. He has made decisions which will see millions of Australians stay in their jobs, he has made decusions which has saved thoysands of Australian lives. He is doing a great job at rhis time. I commend him for what he has done and how he has gone about leading the nation. Out of 10 Ud giv ed him 8.5. An outstanding petformance during tough times.
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Scomo has made big decisions at a moment of national and internatuonal crisis. He has made decisions which will see millions of Australians stay in their jobs, he has made decusions which has saved thoysands of Australian lives. He is doing a great job at rhis time. I commend him for what he has done and how he has gone about leading the nation. Out of 10 Ud giv ed him 8.5. An outstanding petformance during tough times.
Rubbish. He has made a lot of announcements and that is all. The National Cabinet have made the decisions after hearing the best medical advice available.
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TT your letting your leftist views get in the way
Of common sense and truth. Everything I said is true. Whether you or your labor mates like it or not doesnt count the only thing that counts is that we have a logical well spoken and reserved leader at the wheel and not some pee pot labor unionist leader who would bankrupt the nation and lead us into a national tragedy.
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TT your letting your leftist views get in the way
Of common sense and truth. Everything I said is true. Whether you or your labor mates like it or not doesnt count the only thing that counts is that we have a logical well spoken and reserved leader at the wheel and not some pee pot labor unionist leader who would bankrupt the nation and lead us into a national tragedy.
And Ramps your last sentence sums up why you got taken to task over your first statement. Your anti ALP rhetoric dilutes your point.
And BTW when the wage subsidy was first announced you were deadset at against it. Now you are saying it is good thing
And one last thing under this current govt prior to this crisis our national debt had increased every year. This isn't some leftist nonsense it is fact. But don't let your bias towards the ALP or any other party get in the way of the facts
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Well thats ok WP, at least we arent wasting money on pink baty schemes, cash for clinkers and dodgy portables for schools. Thats labors legacy after the gfc.
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Well thats ok WP, at least we arent wasting money on pink baty schemes, cash for clinkers and dodgy portables for schools. Thats labors legacy after the gfc.
By "dodgy portables" do you mean the school halls/gyms that are still in use now?
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TT your letting your leftist views get in the way
Of common sense and truth. Everything I said is true. Whether you or your labor mates like it or not doesnt count the only thing that counts is that we have a logical well spoken and reserved leader at the wheel and not some pee pot labor unionist leader who would bankrupt the nation and lead us into a national tragedy.
And Ramps your last sentence sums up why you got taken to task over your first statement. Your anti ALP rhetoric dilutes your point.
And BTW when the wage subsidy was first announced you were deadset at against it. Now you are saying it is good thing
And one last thing under this current govt prior to this crisis our national debt had increased every year. This isn't some leftist nonsense it is fact. But don't let your bias towards the ALP or any other party get in the way of the facts
knew it wouldnt take you long to start throwing debt around WP. Can you only bring up our debt prior to this crisis, or are you going to include the debt position after and including the crisis? Just curious. :shh
Ramps yet again on the mark. Imagine Shorten in charge. Well lucky for us he is not because he lost and it seems some still cant get over the fact Scomo is delivering. Would they rather more deaths or a curve thats not flattening so they can blame Scomo? or would they rather a team led by the PM that works together for the country. Scomo has shut a few people up and the tears shown by TT types is proof of that. TT you have lost the plot, time for a spell. You are treading down 65 territory at a rate of knots. By the time this curve truly flattens you will overtake his mantle.
WP is quite intellectual about these matters, once the bias is removed, so take some lessons there.
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TT your letting your leftist views get in the way
Of common sense and truth. Everything I said is true. Whether you or your labor mates like it or not doesnt count the only thing that counts is that we have a logical well spoken and reserved leader at the wheel and not some pee pot labor unionist leader who would bankrupt the nation and lead us into a national tragedy.
And Ramps your last sentence sums up why you got taken to task over your first statement. Your anti ALP rhetoric dilutes your point.
And BTW when the wage subsidy was first announced you were deadset at against it. Now you are saying it is good thing
And one last thing under this current govt prior to this crisis our national debt had increased every year. This isn't some leftist nonsense it is fact. But don't let your bias towards the ALP or any other party get in the way of the facts
knew it wouldnt take you long to start throwing debt around WP. Can you only bring up our debt prior to this crisis, or are you going to include the debt position after and including the crisis? Just curious. :shh
Ramps yet again on the mark. Imagine Shorten in charge. Well lucky for us he is not because he lost and it seems some still cant get over the fact Scomo is delivering. Would they rather more deaths or a curve thats not flattening so they can blame Scomo? or would they rather a team led by the PM that works together for the country. Scomo has shut a few people up and the tears shown by TT types is proof of that. TT you have lost the plot, time for a spell. You are treading down 65 territory at a rate of knots. By the time this curve truly flattens you will overtake his mantle.
WP is quite intellectual about these matters, once the bias is removed, so take some lessons there.
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Labor(sic) would've listened to all the bleating from arseclowns like Adam Bandt, Tim Supersandwichmaker, John Pilger, Benjamin Law, #theirABCCP and the rest of the gaggle of far-left idiots and not quarantined people on Xmas island or stopped flights from China until much later for fear of being seen as "racist" and we'd currently be in the same boat as Italy & Spain or even worse... :shh
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knew it wouldnt take you long to start throwing debt around WP. Can you only bring up our debt prior to this crisis, or are you going to include the debt position after and including the crisis? Just curious. :shh
Hate to break it to you Frankie but it was in fact Ramps who bought up debt (he will claim he didn't of course). He was critical of ScoMo when the wage subsidy was announced. He constantly brings up how Labor would have us broke... I just pointed put that under this govt before this crisis this govt that you and he proclaim as being just on perfect has increased the countries debt (deficit) significantly. Whether you or anyone else wants to admit it the stimulus packages that were introduced during the GFC saved this country going into recession. Did they get 100% right? NO, but we avoided recession and that is a bloody good thing.
On your question of debt, I have no issue at all with the debt level rising due to the measures the govt has introduced to assist people during this crisis. Have they got it 100% right? NO, but they are doing the best they can under the circumstances. ***NB, ScoMo needs to do more around the rent situation. Domestic landlords are not "working it out" at all they are kicking out >:(
What I won't do though is excuse then for the cuts they have made to so many things prior to this crisis. You know my passion towards the NDIS and the cuts they have made to that are nothing short of abhorent. And on this there is nothing you or anyone else can say that will alter my view. Live with the system, see it get decimated and you'd feel the same way.
Ramps yet again on the mark. Imagine Shorten in charge. Well lucky for us he is not because he lost and it seems some still cant get over the fact Scomo is delivering. Would they rather more deaths or a curve thats not flattening so they can blame Scomo? or would they rather a team led by the PM that works together for the country. Scomo has shut a few people up and the tears shown by TT types is proof of that. TT you have lost the plot, time for a spell. You are treading down 65 territory at a rate of knots. By the time this curve truly flattens you will overtake his mantle.
WP is quite intellectual about these matters, once the bias is removed, so take some lessons there.
The only thing I would say here is that to suggest that if Shorten was PM or Albo or any other leader for that matter things would do things different and that here would be more deaths, the curve wouldn't be flattening is simple foolish and scare mongering. It wouldn't be. I believe anyone willing to take their politically biased glasses (whichever side) would know that. There is not one pollie in this country that would not do everything they could to keep Australians safe.
We may not like certain pollies but there is one thing I know and this is we are all in it together all us and the pollies know it too
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Rudd and Gillard got nothing right during the GFC. They put billions of dollars into the hands of fly by night pink batt installers, dodgy car deals and portable builders who fleeced the taxpayers. Billions wasted on products and services worth at best a couple of hundred million.
Gillard deserves credit for the NDIS but its the only decent policy her government delivered. They also should have stopped the NBN which is a national white c elephant. Instead of mothballing it they spent billions over 6 years. A complete waste.
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knew it wouldnt take you long to start throwing debt around WP. Can you only bring up our debt prior to this crisis, or are you going to include the debt position after and including the crisis? Just curious. :shh
Hate to break it to you Frankie but it was in fact Ramps who bought up debt (he will claim he didn't of course). He was critical of ScoMo when the wage subsidy was announced. He constantly brings up how Labor would have us broke... I just pointed put that under this govt before this crisis this govt that you and he proclaim as being just on perfect has increased the countries debt (deficit) significantly. Whether you or anyone else wants to admit it the stimulus packages that were introduced during the GFC saved this country going into recession. Did they get 100% right? NO, but we avoided recession and that is a bloody good thing.
On your question of debt, I have no issue at all with the debt level rising due to the measures the govt has introduced to assist people during this crisis. Have they got it 100% right? NO, but they are doing the best they can under the circumstances. ***NB, ScoMo needs to do more around the rent situation. Domestic landlords are not "working it out" at all they are kicking out >:(
What I won't do though is excuse then for the cuts they have made to so many things prior to this crisis. You know my passion towards the NDIS and the cuts they have made to that are nothing short of abhorent. And on this there is nothing you or anyone else can say that will alter my view. Live with the system, see it get decimated and you'd feel the same way.
Ramps yet again on the mark. Imagine Shorten in charge. Well lucky for us he is not because he lost and it seems some still cant get over the fact Scomo is delivering. Would they rather more deaths or a curve thats not flattening so they can blame Scomo? or would they rather a team led by the PM that works together for the country. Scomo has shut a few people up and the tears shown by TT types is proof of that. TT you have lost the plot, time for a spell. You are treading down 65 territory at a rate of knots. By the time this curve truly flattens you will overtake his mantle.
WP is quite intellectual about these matters, once the bias is removed, so take some lessons there.
The only thing I would say here is that to suggest that if Shorten was PM or Albo or any other leader for that matter things would do things different and that here would be more deaths, the curve wouldn't be flattening is simple foolish and scare mongering. It wouldn't be. I believe anyone willing to take their politically biased glasses (whichever side) would know that. There is not one pollie in this country that would not do everything they could to keep Australians safe.
We may not like certain pollies but there is one thing I know and this is we are all in it together all us and the pollies know it too
Glad we agree on the debt issue from this crisis onwards so it doesnt come up again.
to answer your question about if the alp were in power, i could agree on albo yes, perhaps even that chalmers but not shorten. I would struggle to believe that guy could run anything let alone a country. He is/was a disgrace. That is not bias, that is what many alp members think of the bloke too.
No issue with your NDIS stance. Obviously its personal and its a consistent gripe of yours so fair enough.
Surely you can see where ramps is coming from. Lets just point out what schemes the ALP they came up with the last time our country was in crisis? You couldnt be pleased with everything they dished up last time. I mean people died on the back of their half arsed schemes.
Did we avoid a recession, sure. Nothing to do with the previous governments work? As in nil? Honest question.
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Rudd and Gillard got nothing right during the GFC. They put billions of dollars into the hands of fly by night pink batt installers, dodgy car deals and portable builders who fleeced the taxpayers. Billions wasted on products and services worth at best a couple of hundred million.
Gillard deserves credit for the NDIS but its the only decent policy her government delivered. They also should have stopped the NBN which is a national white c elephant. Instead of mothballing it they spent billions over 6 years. A complete waste.
no one in their right mind can compare the performance of both parties. Recession avoidance or not, those schemes lost money and lives. Dead people were given $1000 if i recall, which probably still sits with the state trustees in some cases.
Thats a fail in my mind. I still think the recession was avoided mainly due to the work of the previous government. What did rudd inherit. 20-30 billion surplus?
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Sorry Frankie no, I cannot see where Ramps is coming from. He bangs on and on about the same thing and his arguments fall short when he constantly plays the man and not the ball. He attacks Gillard over the GFC she wasn't PM, nor was she treasurer but her includes for the sake of whacking the ALP. Argument IMO falls very short
In fairness to you Frankie, despite your disdain for Shorten you raise valid points, so have no issue in answering your questions and debating the topics.
The two of you bring up the batts scheme and fair enough. It was a good idea poorly executed. However, and I have said this before drive around country town's and see the modern school buildings that were built under the govt stimulus projects during the GFC. It was the first time in decades they got anything from amy govt.To say they did nothing right is simply wrong.
I will give you the stuff up with money going into bank accounts of a deceased people, again poorly executed. But I doubt you or Ramps gave your $900 Back when it lobbed in your bank accounts
If you were across the state of the countries finances when the Howard govt got thrown out you would be aware that the surplus was not as great as believed. Because the then govt went on a spending splurge to try and get re-elected.
You can spin to anyway you want but Australia avoided a recession during the GFC one of a few that did. The other thing that cannot be disputed is that prior to this crisis the Australian economy was on road to nowhere... zero growth, spiralling debt and a dummy surplus that didn't exist in reality but existed when diverting funds from he futires finds and essential services (read NDIS)
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/queensland/coronavirus-qld-scott-morrisons-video-message-to-teachers/news-story/a8fe16a3e8e13d63d489fa3b05cc5758
Now that's leadership :bow Great speech Scomo.
The fear drivel from Andrews regarding the schooling has been as pathetic as the fishing rule.
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Empty words. I'm surprised he didn't revive his "Where the bloody hell are you" campaign
Once again it is the state premiers making decisions not Scotty from Marketing.
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Paywall :(
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Have to say the schooling issue worries me a lot.
Day 1 today of home school.
My fiance and I are both healthcare/essential workers but she is on maternity leave with our 5 month old baby who is teething and very unhappy at the moment.
School won't let us send the 6 year old prep in because technically my fiance is at home and not working today so she needs to home school him despite having a baby to care for and a 3 year old girl as well.
School expects her to complete essentially a full school day on a computer with a boy who isn't computer literate yet while caring for a 3 year and 5 month old. To make matters worse she is slightly dyslexic. The school work requires reading, explanation and almost constant supervision. For a kid that is learning to read it's impossible to do with any meaningful level of independence.
Really don't think it's going to work. The oldest really struggles with concentration to the point I wonder if he has some ADHD. Will be very challenging without the school structure and his teacher who plays that specific role in his life etc.
She goes back to work in a month and even then we will only be able to access school when she has a shift and the other two are in care. When he goes to school he will sit on his own and work with minimal supervision. Can't even play with other kids etc.
Honestly it's a real pain. I think the schools and government need to drop the bar a little or provide more support. Most of us aren't teachers so tutoring a kid all day is no easy task.
Hopefully this doesn't go on much longer
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Have to say the schooling issue worries me a lot.
Day 1 today of home school.
My fiance and I are both healthcare/essential workers but she is on maternity leave with our 5 month old baby who is teething and very unhappy at the moment.
School won't let us send the 6 year old prep in because technically my fiance is at home and not working today so she needs to home school him despite having a baby to care for and a 3 year old girl as well.
School expects her to complete essentially a full school day on a computer with a boy who isn't computer literate yet while caring for a 3 year and 5 month old. To make matters worse she is slightly dyslexic. The school work requires reading, explanation and almost constant supervision. For a kid that is learning to read it's impossible to do with any meaningful level of independence.
Really don't think it's going to work. The oldest really struggles with concentration to the point I wonder if he has some ADHD. Will be very challenging without the school structure and his teacher who plays that specific role in his life etc.
She goes back to work in a month and even then we will only be able to access school when she has a shift and the other two are in care. When he goes to school he will sit on his own and work with minimal supervision. Can't even play with other kids etc.
Honestly it's a real pain. I think the schools and government need to drop the bar a little or provide more support. Most of us aren't teachers so tutoring a kid all day is no easy task.
Hopefully this doesn't go on much longer
well said Andy
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Now here is real leadership.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html)
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Now here is real leadership.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html)
Only 20%.
Real leadership would have seen who work for nothing in the next 6 months. Shes just another lefty who knows how to play the PR game even though shes done nothing for New Zealand since becoming PM.
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So will Scotty from Marketing follow her lead?
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We dont follow the sheep herders. We run our own show. Scotty from marketing just racking up points towards another outstanding electoral victory whilst labor wastes time with Albo and his lefty mates.
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:lol
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Now here is real leadership.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html)
Only 20%.
Real leadership would have seen who work for nothing in the next 6 months. Shes just another lefty who knows how to play the PR game even though shes done nothing for New Zealand since becoming PM.
20% more than ours are
And are suggesting our pollies should not get paid for the next 6 months too. Wouldn't that be real leadership. :huh
Ardern is an outstanding leader. One of the best around these days. The mosque mass murders and now this has proved it
And thanks for providing exhibit B :rollin
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Now here is real leadership.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html)
Only 20%.
Real leadership would have seen who work for nothing in the next 6 months. Shes just another lefty who knows how to play the PR game even though shes done nothing for New Zealand since becoming PM.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-26/whats-eating-jacinda-arderns-ratings-new-zealand-politics/11998556
dio is right though she wore a hat during the terrorism crisis or whatever they call that thing
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Ardern is a dud. Being PM of that country would be like coaching our AFL side against VAFA reserves. Anyone could do it.
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Ardern is a dud. Being PM of that country would be like coaching our AFL side against VAFA reserves. Anyone could do it.
yep agree.
What does she get paid? Same as scomo i bet for looking after a country that has the same population as Melbourne. Give me a break.
So she should take a pay cut as she is done nothing for that country since elected.
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She's living proof Princess Anne had an affair with Shergar....that's why he "disappeared" .... :shh
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Now here is real leadership.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/pay-cut-for-nz-cabinet-as-opposition-pushes-for-easing-of-lockdown-20200415-p54jzy.html)
Only 20%.
Real leadership would have seen who work for nothing in the next 6 months. Shes just another lefty who knows how to play the PR game even though shes done nothing for New Zealand since becoming PM.
20% more than ours are
And are suggesting our pollies should not get paid for the next 6 months too. Wouldn't that be real leadership. :huh
Ardern is an outstanding leader. One of the best around these days. The mosque mass murders and now this has proved it
And thanks for providing exhibit B :rollin
Ardern is not and has never been an outstanding leader. If New Zealanders had any brains theyd boot her out at the next election. Just coz she had a kid whilst in office doesnt make her special. That she was pm at a time when that guy killed all those people thats not something that maked her special. Her response was that of a normal politician at a time of tragedy. You should stop making out that these lefty politicians are heroes. They are not, for the most part there performance is ordinary at best.
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Ardern is not and has never been an outstanding leader. If New Zealanders had any brains theyd boot her out at the next election. Just coz she had a kid whilst in office doesnt make her special. That she was pm at a time when that guy killed all those people thats not something that maked her special. Her response was that of a normal politician at a time of tragedy. You should stop making out that these lefty politicians are heroes. They are not, for the most part there performance is ordinary at best.
Thank yous first
1/ thank you for not answering the one question I asked in my post
2/ thank you for exhibit C
And just so I am clear, during this crisis Ardern has done and is doing the same things that ScoMo is and she is a terrible leader and ScoMo is doing an outstanding job?
What she did after the mosque shootings was nothing special? But if it was ScoMo it would appear you would call it great leadership
Go figure?
Your political bias appears to have no end :thumbsup
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Would you praise Trump if he wore a sombrero if a bunch of Mexicans got shot up by a lunatic?
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Would you praise Trump if he wore a sombrero if a bunch of Mexicans got shot up by a lunatic?
HAHAHAHA
Na different because its trump and he is a bad man, and not some try hard who hasnt done anything for her country
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Ardern is not and has never been an outstanding leader. If New Zealanders had any brains theyd boot her out at the next election. Just coz she had a kid whilst in office doesnt make her special. That she was pm at a time when that guy killed all those people thats not something that maked her special. Her response was that of a normal politician at a time of tragedy. You should stop making out that these lefty politicians are heroes. They are not, for the most part there performance is ordinary at best.
Thank yous first
1/ thank you for not answering the one question I asked in my post
2/ thank you for exhibit C
And just so I am clear, during this crisis Ardern has done and is doing the same things that ScoMo is and she is a terrible leader and ScoMo is doing an outstanding job?
What she did after the mosque shootings was nothing special? But if it was ScoMo it would appear you would call it great leadership
Go figure?
Your political bias appears to have no end :thumbsup
i will chip in WP if i can
yep 20% more than ours WP, you are correct, so good for her in that regard. It is a small country and so she should be given some money back, particularly when it seems she hasnt performed up to the level required.
What has she actually done over there to the NZ people. I am curious because from what i have read not much apart from what has been said above.
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What has she actually done over there to the NZ people. I am curious because from what i have read not much apart from what has been said above.
I have been asking the same of Scotty from Marketing. Can anybody tell me what he has actually done.
And please don't give him credit for other people's ideas.
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What he is good at is spreading confusion. Yesterday he wanted all teachers to return to the classroom. Today he is saying that parents need to listen to their state priemers.
NFI (No stuffing Idea)
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What has she actually done over there to the NZ people. I am curious because from what i have read not much apart from what has been said above.
I have been asking the same of Scotty from Marketing. Can anybody tell me what he has actually done.
And please don't give him credit for other people's ideas.
He defeated Shorten labor and saved our country from poverty.
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Good come back. 😁
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What has she actually done over there to the NZ people. I am curious because from what i have read not much apart from what has been said above.
I have been asking the same of Scotty from Marketing. Can anybody tell me what he has actually done.
And please don't give him credit for other people's ideas.
He defeated Shorten labor and saved our country from poverty.
That the best you can do?
Really says something about Scotty from Marketing's response
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Keeping the communists out of office is a socially and economically just cause. Scotty from marketing is on his way to another electoral victory over the lefties. His enormous leadership during this time of crisis will see him referred to as a great prime minister of our great country. The Commies should go back to Norf Korea andvChina.
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:cheers
Well done comrade.
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No worries
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i will chip in WP if i can
yep 20% more than ours WP, you are correct, so good for her in that regard. It is a small country and so she should be given some money back, particularly when it seems she hasnt performed up to the level required.
What has she actually done over there to the NZ people. I am curious because from what i have read not much apart from what has been said above.
Unemployment down - lowest it's been in over a decade
Improved public housing
Tighter gun controls
Tougher law's for overseas investors to buy property in NZ
Extended Paid parental leave program
Cracked down on online terrorist stuff the likes ISIS put on line to recruit
Increased funding of health services = more doctors, nurses. Improved cancer services
Raised the minimum wage
Enough or not enough?
Reckon she's done alright
And your comment thst a small country like that they should be giving something back. Why can't our govt do the same? Size of the country is irrelevant. ScoMo has refused and it is blight on him and his govt. Actually it's a blight on all our pollies, all of them
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He defeated Shorten labor and saved our country from poverty.
Thank you, exhibit D
Anyway,
Don't know how to break it you but before this crisis this country was heading for recession, our economy was at best going nowhere. Why do you think interest rates are so low? Because our economy was cactus
Under this govt we have higher debt, growing unemployment. An under funded NDIS, health system, military .. I could go on but won't
Things were Terrific, just terrific
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i will chip in WP if i can
yep 20% more than ours WP, you are correct, so good for her in that regard. It is a small country and so she should be given some money back, particularly when it seems she hasnt performed up to the level required.
What has she actually done over there to the NZ people. I am curious because from what i have read not much apart from what has been said above.
Unemployment down - lowest it's been in over a decade
Improved public housing
Tighter gun controls
Tougher law's for overseas investors to buy property in NZ
Extended Paid parental leave program
Cracked down on online terrorist stuff the likes ISIS put on line to recruit
Increased funding of health services = more doctors, nurses. Improved cancer services
Raised the minimum wage
Enough or not enough?
Reckon she's done alright
And your comment thst a small country like that they should be giving something back. Why can't our govt do the same? Size of the country is irrelevant. ScoMo has refused and it is blight on him and his govt. Actually it's a blight on all our pollies, all of them
no, its not enough. Not by my standards but by the NZ people. The reporting on her has not been favourable.
re: your last comment. Thank you, but it didnt stop you having a dig at scomo. Im sure if it was gillard you wouldnt have even brought this up :shh
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no, its not enough. Not by my standards but by the NZ people. The reporting on her has not been favourable.
And the reporting on ScoMo has been great either but he is doing a great job you keep saying. So negative reporting on one leader means nothing but negative reporting on another means alot? Sorry you can't apply one standard for pne and not the other. It dilutes the argument
FWIW I have a friend who moved back there about 4 and a bit year's ago. She said the NZ she lives in now is the best it's been and she didn't vote for Ardern in 2017 but would now without hesitation. She works in the health sector. The improvement in health sector funding has been in her view brilliant. The run down hospital she works at has been upgraded and moved into the 21st century...
re: your last comment. Thank you, but it didnt stop you having a dig at scomo. Im sure if it was gillard you wouldnt have even brought this up :shh
2 points
1/ read my entire comment again. Yes I whacked the PM (rightly) for refusing to lead by example and take a pay cut. But I said it is a blight on ALL our pollies. That means everyone of them Libs, Hat's, ALP, Greens every single one of them
2/ following on from the above to suggest if it was Gillard I wouldn't have bought it up is wrong not to mention a cheap shot. I'd be whacking her or whoever the PM was/is because ALL means ALL.
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Governments have a moral and political obkigation to keep hospitals up to date. Even Dan Andrews has spent money upgrading hospitals. Its not out of the orfinary. Ardern did what is her obligation for the sheep shaggers nothing more nothing less.
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Governments have a moral and political obkigation to keep hospitals up to date. Even Dan Andrews has spent money upgrading hospitals. Its not out of the orfinary. Ardern did what is her obligation for the sheep shaggers nothing more nothing less.
Absolute rubbish
You are right governments have an obligation
But she spent the obligation + more to what the previous governments didnt or refused to spend to get their health system back up to date.
The previous govt didn't, they failed miserably
She has righted an unforgivable wrong
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Governments have a moral and political obkigation to keep hospitals up to date. Even Dan Andrews has spent money upgrading hospitals. Its not out of the orfinary. Ardern did what is her obligation for the sheep shaggers nothing more nothing less.
Absolute rubbish
You are right governments have an obligation
LOL. Only a lefty would have that type of Logic. Ardern would only ever get to backbencher status in Australian politics. Id doubt shed be capable of winning a preselection.
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Governments have a moral and political obkigation to keep hospitals up to date. Even Dan Andrews has spent money upgrading hospitals. Its not out of the orfinary. Ardern did what is her obligation for the sheep shaggers nothing more nothing less.
Absolute rubbish
You are right governments have an obligation
LOL. Only a lefty would have that type of Logic. Ardern would only ever get to backbencher status in Australian politics. Id doubt shed be capable of winning a preselection.
Easy job being PM over there since you dont have to worry about the economy since it has been in recession for 30 odd years
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Its sheep shagger central what did you expect.
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I'd still swap Scotty from Marketing for Jacinda.
:thumbsup
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Governments have a moral and political obkigation to keep hospitals up to date. Even Dan Andrews has spent money upgrading hospitals. Its not out of the orfinary. Ardern did what is her obligation for the sheep shaggers nothing more nothing less.
Absolute rubbish
You are right governments have an obligation
LOL. Only a lefty would have that type of Logic. Ardern would only ever get to backbencher status in Australian politics. Id doubt shed be capable of winning a preselection.
I hate to say this Ramps but you are a hypocrite. This is exhibit G BTW
I get that you HATE with a passion anything or anyone associated with any Labor Govt.
But of it was the other way you'd whack a Labor govt for failing to provide basic services and heap praise on a conservative govt fro righting a wrong
Just like you refuse to criticise the current govt (prior to COVID19) for having us on the brink of a recession and increasing our nation's debt since they been in office. You go on and on about they save us from poverty. Please! Pre COVID19 they have failed. But don't let those facts get in the way of your political bias.
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You said my post or opinion was rubbish
Then you agreed with my central point.
Now Im a hypocrite lol.
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You said my post or opinion was rubbish
Then you agreed with my central point.
Now Im a hypocrite lol.
You missed the point
But that's no surprise
You said
Its not out of the orfinary. Ardern did what is her obligation for the sheep shaggers nothing more nothing less.
The sentiment in total is rubbish
Yes govt have an obligation to maintain certain standards of services, that I agree with
But the rest our your post IMV is a cheap shot, clouded by political bias and rubbish
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no, its not enough. Not by my standards but by the NZ people. The reporting on her has not been favourable.
And the reporting on ScoMo has been great either but he is doing a great job you keep saying. So negative reporting on one leader means nothing but negative reporting on another means alot? Sorry you can't apply one standard for pne and not the other. It dilutes the argument
FWIW I have a friend who moved back there about 4 and a bit year's ago. She said the NZ she lives in now is the best it's been and she didn't vote for Ardern in 2017 but would now without hesitation. She works in the health sector. The improvement in health sector funding has been in her view brilliant. The run down hospital she works at has been upgraded and moved into the 21st century...
re: your last comment. Thank you, but it didnt stop you having a dig at scomo. Im sure if it was gillard you wouldnt have even brought this up :shh
2 points
1/ read my entire comment again. Yes I whacked the PM (rightly) for refusing to lead by example and take a pay cut. But I said it is a blight on ALL our pollies. That means everyone of them Libs, Hat's, ALP, Greens every single one of them
2/ following on from the above to suggest if it was Gillard I wouldn't have bought it up is wrong not to mention a cheap shot. I'd be whacking her or whoever the PM was/is because ALL means ALL.
Thats great about your friend, though it doesnt really hide from the fact her performance hasnt been that great as you put it.
She closed the borders and they still have the same amount of deaths as most of our states. I also read the other day there are some people taking her to court so she isnt liked by a fair few people over there.
On the national debt. From what i understood we were about to deliver a budget surplus in May. How does Victorias stack up? Surely they were about to announce a surplus too before all this happened?
As the days go on its very clear scomo has been the best leader in the world in regards to how he has handled this pandemic. Many ALP voters i know have now conceded he has done a tremendous job and would vote for him based on this performance. Unfortunately for the haters its back to the drawing board.
Scomos views on Virgin, and now on the schools reopening has been excellent and shows that as a leader he is ready to make the big calls. :bow
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Thats great about your friend, though it doesnt really hide from the fact her performance hasnt been that great as you put it.
She closed the borders and they still have the same amount of deaths as most of our states. I also read the other day there are some people taking her to court so she isnt liked by a fair few people over there.
Have a read about what the law suit was about.
It should give you a laugh, she was being taken to court over lockdown rules. You know one of the things you (and me for that matter) praise ScoMo for.
law suit has been dismissed BTW
She has done a great job in protecting her country and they are on the road back, a bit like here isn't it?
On the national debt. From what i understood we were about to deliver a budget surplus in May. How does Victorias stack up? Surely they were about to announce a surplus too before all this happened?
A surplus is not the same as our ever increasing growing national debt (borrowings).
But you are aware that the surplus the govt were boasting about was only possible by them taking money from the futures fund; funds in earmarked for things like the NDIS :o, yes my hobby horse the NDIS had further funding ripped out of it to enable this govt to achieve a surplus - that is disgraceful.
So if you are proud of govt that cuts funding to those that needed it most to achieve a "claytons surplus" then you are backing a winner
Funnily enough even before this crisis there were those within the govt that said they were not going to achieve the promised surplus (even Joshie the treasurue tripped up and it and within 30 seconds said he didn't say it ;D)
As the days go on its very clear scomo has been the best leader in the world in regards to how he has handled this pandemic. Many ALP voters i know have now conceded he has done a tremendous job and would vote for him based on this performance. Unfortunately for the haters its back to the drawing board.
Scomos views on Virgin, and now on the schools reopening has been excellent and shows that as a leader he is ready to make the big calls. :bow
ScoMo has done very well that is clear; he has made some very poor calls early on but overall has got us to good place.
But so to has his national Cabinet. It has been said by a number of people that ScoMo has been pushed by a number of the Premiers in making tough calls because the certain Premiers where going out on their own for to make their states safe.
Is he best leader in the world? matter of opinion but I am thankful that we have him and not that lunatic in the USA.
If people want to vote based on this that's their call but there's always more to consider or at least should be. For this one positive there are still so many negatives.
The lying by a certain minister about the Ruby Princess (the day that spud takes responsibility for that stuff up and quits the better we will be), the sports grant debacle, the under funding of basic services are but a few. But if they don't matter to people now, fair enough
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Can't get past the fact that Scotty from Marketing is not making decisions. By and large it is the State Premiers making the decisions considering the advice of the medical boffins.
And as a front man he Scotty from Marketing has been less than perfect.
The pressure got to him and he teared up when talking about one of the lock down recommendations. The fact that it was the limit on people attending funerals that he was close to tears. Says a lot about our happy clapper PM. People dying all over the country and it is funerals that gets to him.
Still think he will retire before the next election. Clearly not up to this sort of pressure.
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Rubbish absolute rubbish TT.
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Rubbish absolute rubbish TT.
Which bit(s)?
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Interesting article
https://www.theage.com.au/national/scott-morrison-has-a-good-story-to-tell-but-the-world-isn-t-listening-20200424-p54mt3.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/scott-morrison-has-a-good-story-to-tell-but-the-world-isn-t-listening-20200424-p54mt3.html)
"Morrison carries two pieces of baggage onto the global stage: his mansplaining manner, and his unflinching loyalty to the leader with the most catastrophic response to the pandemic so far, Donald Trump."
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Mr Morrison has had the highest approval PM rating since 2008 or something
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Mr Morrison has had the highest approval PM rating since 2008 or something
yes saw that Chucky, over 54%
No surprise to be honest
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Can't get past the fact that Scotty from Marketing is not making decisions. By and large it is the State Premiers making the decisions considering the advice of the medical boffins.
And as a front man he Scotty from Marketing has been less than perfect.
The pressure got to him and he teared up when talking about one of the lock down recommendations. The fact that it was the limit on people attending funerals that he was close to tears. Says a lot about our happy clapper PM. People dying all over the country and it is funerals that gets to him.
Still think he will retire before the next election. Clearly not up to this sort of pressure.
words?
in some ways your becoming worse than 65. At least he brought a little bit of humour to the table, but mostly ridiculous statements.
straighten up son .
Hows scomo numbers looking by the way? Its clear you hate him and thats fine, so you must think shorten would have done a better job? :lol
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How about contributing to the debate rather than just having pot shots at other posters?
Cheers
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How about contributing to the debate rather than just having pot shots at other posters?
Cheers
debate with you? I've tried you have 65 syndrome and only contribute if its anti scomo or trump
take a lead from WP as your hatred is boring.
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How about contributing to the debate rather than just having pot shots at other posters?
Cheers
(https://lindanee.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/black-kettle.jpg)
:shh
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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what he has actually done that's not someone else's idea. Admittedly he is good at making up new names for things; jobkeeper, jobseeker, national cabinet etc.
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Mr Morrison has had the highest approval PM rating since 2008 or something
yes saw that Chucky, over 54%
No surprise to be honest
Not as good as Danny Andrews now at 70%
Up 20% since he was re-elected in Nov 2018. In fairness though, not much competition he Vic Libs are a joke ;D
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Mr Morrison has had the highest approval PM rating since 2008 or something
yes saw that Chucky, over 54%
No surprise to be honest
Following the experts' advice in a crisis and especially handing out money is popular :shh.
ps. 12 years almost to the day since Rudd hit his Newspoll peak out of interest.
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Morrison's test will be when these 'stimulus' measures (which cost four-times what Rudd's did) have to be wound back after September and tough unpopular decisions will have to be made to make inroads into the massive budget deficit and almost trillion dollar debt we will be left with. Giving out money is easy but taking these 'entitlements' back even when financially right and prudent to do so has been a political nightmare in Australia especially over the past decade or so. That's when political popularity can quickly dissipate.
Unemployment for example is expected to remain high not only this year but throughout 2021. Halving the jobseeker payment after September and expecting people to live on just $40 a day as it was before the covid-19 crisis is going to be a huge issue with so many expected to still be out of a job.
The reality is life doesn't snap back to the way it was before a crisis. The world will have permanently changed in some ways (eg: a more tech-based connected society, a more cash-less economy, more online shopping, etc...). Many bricks & mortar retailers won't return which means less retail jobs. It's a slow rebuild economically and people quickly become impatient (some already are on Morrison's own side and we haven't even started the road back). If Morrison thinks he can just stick to typical LNP-script and promise to offer even more tax cuts we can't afford later this year and somehow that will miraculously fix things including reducing the massive debt then he is kidding himself. Trickle down economics has never worked. There needs to be genuine reform of and across the economy which includes the LNP's older base and their over-generous middle-class welfare.
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Mr Morrison has had the highest approval PM rating since 2008 or something
yes saw that Chucky, over 54%
No surprise to be honest
Not as good as Danny Andrews now at 70%
Up 20% since he was re-elected in Nov 2018. In fairness though, not much competition he Vic Libs are a joke ;D
They've been pathetic! Unlike all other oppositions of both stripes around the country who have put the welfare of their nation and respective state first, the Vic Libs have continually tried to undermine the necessity for these lockdown health measures including slagging the integrity and independence of Victoria's chief health officer Prof. Sutton. They still haven't learnt that appealing to the conspiracy fringe doesn't work in Victoria and it's why they got annihilated at the last state election.
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No thanks
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Scotty from Marketing is on his way to a massive electoral victory at the next election. Albanese will lead labor into the electoral abyss.
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Dan Andrew's for PM?
:thumbsup
No, because I still quite like freedom & individual rights, meritocracies, borders, national sovereignty and personal responsibility....you know all those "crazy far-right" concepts.... :shh
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https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes
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Dan Andrew's for PM?
:thumbsup
No, because I still quite like freedom & individual rights, meritocracies, borders, national sovereignty and personal responsibility....you know all those "crazy far-right" concepts.... :shh
how about the form of the commie's deputy health officer. These are the people who are locking us up. hahahaha what a farce.
Smart people see right through this play.
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how about the form of the commie's deputy health officer. These are the people who are locking us up. hahahaha what a farce.
Smart people see right through this play.
OK I will bite.
What did she say that was untrue?
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how about the form of the commie's deputy health officer. These are the people who are locking us up. hahahaha what a farce.
Smart people see right through this play.
OK I will bite.
What did she say that was untrue?
She compared Covid-19 to Cook 1770 in a tweet on the anniversary of Cook's landing at Botany Bay. As in it being a foreign invader which leads to the existing population being forced to change their ways.
While it was silly, it's hilarious seeing all the Vic Libs having a hissy fit over it demanding her sacking. Really focusing on the big issues once again :lol. Of course "free speech" which offends is only okay for the LNP to do and not for anyone else :shh. 250 years ago is still too soon apparently. As Aussies we are not allowed our own unique 100% Aussie ethnic identity nor mock the LNP's precious foreign monarchy, foreign flag and foreign "mother country" :shh.
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As a high level unelected government employee she shouldn't be making public political comments that apart from being completely hysterical and factually incorrect, have nothing to do with her taxpayer funded job...even more so if she also mentions that job in her twitter bio or worse the account is an official department one (I don't know if she does or it is I've only seen the tweet on television) ....not surprising all the smug middle class Marxist simpletons can't work out the difference...after all they still can't understand the difference between the ABC & commercial media and understand why the ABC needs to be held to a higher standard...but then again they also seem to unquestioningly believe that people whose grandfathers were natives allegedly shot by Cook himself are still alive and that Cook also somehow managed to rig crates of dynamite left on the shore to explode after he left - never mind that it was nearly 100 years before Alfred Nobel actually invented dynamite and long before anyone had the ability to perform remote time delayed explosions on land from a ship out at sea.... :shh
..and don't act like the left wouldn't have a far bigger hissy fit bordering on a psychotic episode, demanding she be sacked and probably worse had she said something less politically fashionable... they do it every other day to nobody private citizens let alone public officials...... :shh :shh
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I thought what she said was inappropriate but factually correct.
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How exactly did Cook "decimate the population" ...what "terror did he create" and how did he force anyone to "sacrifice and change the way they live in order to survive"? How exactly was it an "invasion" when he was only here for a few months, only had a few relatively minor skirmishes that were either in self-defence or the result of cultural misunderstandings , left leaving no occupying force behind and no-one else arrived until nearly two decades later? :shh
Also how exactly is the Coronavirus "decimating the population" when the death toll so far is still below 100 and less than 0.25% of the population has been infected? How many Australians are actually "living in terror" over it? :shh :shh
But yeah apart from all that -"factually correct"... :shh :shh :shh.
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Cook was the starting point. FACT
:cheers
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So you concede he actually did none of those things himself then? :shh
p.s. The loss of the American Colonies 13 years later that were unforeseen in 1770 was the starting point. FACT.
:shh :shh
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Mr Morrison has had the highest approval PM rating since 2008 or something
yes saw that Chucky, over 54%
No surprise to be honest
Following the experts' advice in a crisis and especially handing out money is popular :shh.
ps. 12 years almost to the day since Rudd hit his Newspoll peak out of interest.
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Morrison's test will be when these 'stimulus' measures (which cost four-times what Rudd's did) have to be wound back after September and tough unpopular decisions will have to be made to make inroads into the massive budget deficit and almost trillion dollar debt we will be left with. Giving out money is easy but taking these 'entitlements' back even when financially right and prudent to do so has been a political nightmare in Australia especially over the past decade or so. That's when political popularity can quickly dissipate.
Unemployment for example is expected to remain high not only this year but throughout 2021. Halving the jobseeker payment after September and expecting people to live on just $40 a day as it was before the covid-19 crisis is going to be a huge issue with so many expected to still be out of a job.
The reality is life doesn't snap back to the way it was before a crisis. The world will have permanently changed in some ways (eg: a more tech-based connected society, a more cash-less economy, more online shopping, etc...). Many bricks & mortar retailers won't return which means less retail jobs. It's a slow rebuild economically and people quickly become impatient (some already are on Morrison's own side and we haven't even started the road back). If Morrison thinks he can just stick to typical LNP-script and promise to offer even more tax cuts we can't afford later this year and somehow that will miraculously fix things including reducing the massive debt then he is kidding himself. Trickle down economics has never worked. There needs to be genuine reform of and across the economy which includes the LNP's older base and their over-generous middle-class welfare.
the difference is one has not wasted money on pathetic schemes.
Now that your back i take it by your post that scomo has done a great job, hence why your anti scomo posts are back? Your bias of the man has no end.
I need to go back on your gfc comments on Rudd if you shared the same economic viewpoint when he was handing out money left right and centre on half arsed schemes. :shh
I am curious what generous middle class welfare are you referring to?? Family tax? F Credits? Neg G? if its the last 2 then i hate to break to you but its low income who also benefit, and besides the people have voted. End of story.
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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what he has actually done that's not someone else's idea. Admittedly he is good at making up new names for things; jobkeeper, jobseeker, national cabinet etc.
Virgin say hello. Do you even follow politics?
Next you are going to tell me he should have bailed them out? :lol
I suppose dan's ideas were all his and not the chief medical guru of victoria?
You obviously have never worked in a team before, but ultimately the buck stops with the leading man and he is doing a tremendous job. :clapping
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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what he has actually done that's not someone else's idea. Admittedly he is good at making up new names for things; jobkeeper, jobseeker, national cabinet etc.
Virgin say hello. Do you even follow politics?
Next you are going to tell me he should have bailed them out? :lol
I suppose dan's ideas were all his and not the chief medical guru of victoria?
You obviously have never worked in a team before, but ultimately the buck stops with the leading man and he is doing a tremendous job. :clapping
So you agree that all he has done is lead. His leadership has included a trip to Hawaii during major bushfires and forced handshakes just to have a photo opportunity. And during the covid19 crisis all he has done is confuse people.
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Scotty from Marketing is on his way to a massive electoral victory over Albo. Labor has no potential leaders coming through. Its going to be long long secade or two for the left in this Country.
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Scotty from Marketing is on his way to a massive electoral victory over Albo. Labor has no potential leaders coming through. Its going to be long long secade or two for the left in this Country.
Haven't you already used this line?
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Scotty from Marketing is on his way to a massive electoral victory at the next election. Albanese will lead labor into the electoral abyss.
Yep here it is.
😁
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Yep.
Just making sure you didnt miss it the first time lol
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Scomo the curve flattener
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Scomo the curve flattener
No, Chucky
His curve is trending up you said so yourself a few days back :thumbsup
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dan andrews copping a nice whack and deservedly so. Kids need to learn you peanut.
just because a teacher contracted covid doesnt give justfication for this farce to continue a whole term to please his union mates.
Thank god our school allows us to bring them in, because unlike that idiot every one who works is essential as per what scomo says, and cannot educate and work.
Id rather listen to a national panel of medicos that some power tripper.
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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what he has actually done that's not someone else's idea. Admittedly he is good at making up new names for things; jobkeeper, jobseeker, national cabinet etc.
Virgin say hello. Do you even follow politics?
Next you are going to tell me he should have bailed them out? :lol
I suppose dan's ideas were all his and not the chief medical guru of victoria?
You obviously have never worked in a team before, but ultimately the buck stops with the leading man and he is doing a tremendous job. :clapping
So you agree that all he has done is lead. His leadership has included a trip to Hawaii during major bushfires and forced handshakes just to have a photo opportunity. And during the covid19 crisis all he has done is confuse people.
If he has confused you then it wouldnt be that hard IMO judging by some of your latest comments.
his leadership qualities are there for all to see,Virgin was one example of which you havent disclosed if you approved of this stance. Like ive said a few times the people voted. I think you need to get over it.
I'm thinking you may be bill shorten not 65?
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Labor(sic) almost sounding like a real working class party for the first time in over 50 years:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/put-australian-jobs-first-labor-calls-for-migration-overhaul-after-pandemic-20200501-p54p0i.html
:shh
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Another Liberal who can't handle the pressure.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/tehan-withdraws-attack-on-victorian-premier-over-school-stance-20200503-p54pbf.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/tehan-withdraws-attack-on-victorian-premier-over-school-stance-20200503-p54pbf.html)
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dan andrews copping a nice whack and deservedly so. Kids need to learn you peanut.
just because a teacher contracted covid doesnt give justfication for this farce to continue a whole term to please his union mates.
Thank god our school allows us to bring them in, because unlike that idiot every one who works is essential as per what scomo says, and cannot educate and work.
Id rather listen to a national panel of medicos that some power tripper.
What the Federal education minister said today was the most pathetic effort of any pollie during this crisis.
Left the Victorian opposition looking good
Gutless wonder has withdrawn his comments and used being frustrated as an excuse
Think you will find your leader ScoMo has told Tehan to pull his head in.
And Frankie thought you better than this."power tripper". Please.. reason are clear also what the plan is
Did you miss the bit about mass testing for a fortnight and then a decision will be made on the remainder of term 2. Schools are open to suggest they are not is not true. Further other states have their schools "closed" too. Didn't get Tehan mention thst
And finally you are aware that ScoMo's kids are not at school because their schools are closed and they aren't schooled on Victoria. hence the govt's bribe to private schools this week. And please don't defend it, it is a bribe
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How exactly did Cook "decimate the population" ...what "terror did he create" and how did he force anyone to "sacrifice and change the way they live in order to survive"? How exactly was it an "invasion" when he was only here for a few months, only had a few relatively minor skirmishes that were either in self-defence or the result of cultural misunderstandings , left leaving no occupying force behind and no-one else arrived until nearly two decades later? :shh
Like most things the issue is more complex than the simplistic ramblings of the extremes of both sides of the argument. There's no doubt Cook was a brilliant navigator, cartographer and his three voyages were major achievements as they filled in large knowledge gaps of what existed on the "other side of the world" for ignorant Europeans at that time.
Where it gets murky is when it comes to his orders as far as claiming land:
Cook's Instruction (1768): 'You are also with consent of the natives to take possession of convenient situations in the country in the name of the King of Great Britain, or, if you find the country uninhabited take
possession for His Majesty by setting up proper marks and inscriptions as first discovers and possessors.'
When Cook claimed eastern New Holland (which he renamed NSW) for the British crown he didn't follow this order as far as getting consent from the aboriginal population. It could be argued Cook had a more positive opinion of aboriginal people compared to say other English explorers like Dampier (who despised them) - "The natives of New Holland, they may seem to be the most wretched people on Earth, but in fact they are the happiest people I have ever witnessed" - and that Cook tried to communicate at Botany Bay by offering beads and fish his crew had caught but the locals didn't want a bar of them and just wanted Cook and crew to go away - "However we could know but very little of their customs as we never were able to form any connections with them, they had not so much as touch'd the things we had left in their hutts on purpose for them to take away." - Cook 6/5/1770. There's also no mention in Cook's diary of wanting to seek a treaty to take possession of the land either.
Cook didn't use the term "terra nullius" and did acknowlege he was the first European (as opposed to first human) to visit eastern New Holland in his diary but his final 'claim' at Possession Island on Aug 22 1770 followed the second half of the above order making no mention of the aboriginals being in possession the land nor gaining consent from them which Britain would use to claim "terra nullius".
Now it wouldn't be the first or last time a superpower didn't follow its own rules or rewrite the rules for their own convenience and benefit but that doesn't make it right either.
While it's unfair IMO to judge those from hundreds of years ago as simply "good" or "bad" in terms of our more advanced 21st century knowledge and values, it's us now who are left with the legacy of their wrong decisions and the cost of those decisions and correcting them. Nor does it help by perpetuating "terra nullius" nonsense that we were taught as kids such as "Captain Cook discovered Australia" or (name-)calling someone "unAustralian" or "Leftie" if they have the nerve to be critical of Cook or the British 250 years ago. Instead it should inspire mature debate and rebutal based on evidence (i.e. not quoting Andrew Bolt :shh ) as the James Cook story is a complex mixture of both positive achievements and negative events and resulting outcomes which benefitted and disowned different people in Australia all interwined.
ps. First stop should be teaching people, especially those in the media and cultural cringes, the difference between the events of April 29, 1770 (Cook); Jan 26, 1788 (Phillip/First Fleet) and Jan 1, 1901 (Federation/Birth of our nation). Many mix them up :facepalm although it doesn't help when we have the wrong historical date as Australia Day ::).
Also how exactly is the Coronavirus "decimating the population" when the death toll so far is still below 100 and less than 0.25% of the population has been infected? How many Australians are actually "living in terror" over it? :shh :shh
But yeah apart from all that -"factually correct"... :shh :shh :shh.
Do you watch what is happening overseas?
Without the restrictions and the lockdown the death toll would be massive especially amongst the older generation which makes up one third of Australia's adult population as well as indigenous population who are more susceptible given the "gap" (a negative legacy effect). Older Australians are scared because they are more at risk of death from covid-19.
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Labor couldnt organise a pee up in a brewery. We all remember the calamity of Victorian Labor with the State Bank and Tricontinental. They left Victoria decimated. They spent billions on that white elephant desalination plant that doesnt produce anything. Then we had Rudd and Gillard lol. Pink batts cash for clunkers the most dodgiest schemes ever invented. Labor has form. They cant be trusted with the economy or the nations money. Scomo is a safe pair of hands. Showing impeccable leadership right now.
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Labor couldnt organise a pee up in a brewery. We all remember the calamity of Victorian Labor with the State Bank and Tricontinental. They left Victoria decimated. They spent billions on that white elephant desalination plant that doesnt produce anything. Then we had Rudd and Gillard lol. Pink batts cash for clunkers the most dodgiest schemes ever invented. Labor has form. They cant be trusted with the economy or the nations money. Scomo is a safe pair of hands. Showing impeccable leadership right now.
I can't remember which exhibit we are up to but I think it is Exhibit G
Anyways... please at least get your facts aligned to your arguments
The Desal Plant is actually producing has been now for close to 12 months. this time last year an order was put in for water because our water storages had hit the trigger level. So please don't say it doesn't produce when it clearly does
I am sure you thinking is a long the line sof Barnaby & Abbott when water storages are low and we are in drought just build another dam. that there is no rain to fill it is irrelevant
You know it's funny you bang on and on and on about how good ScoMo's government as economic managers but you convienantly forget (actually ignore) that prior to this crisis national debt has risen to year on year since they LNP has been been in power And Please don't prattle on about "surpluses".
There is none & wasn't going to be one.
Ripping funding out of programs for those who most need it and using it to create fake surpluses is not great fiscal management it is despicable, unethical and more than anything immoral. But as long as they can boast about a "surplus" people like you will applaud
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Bottom line is, labor wont be getting in anytime soon and thank stuff for that
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Bottom line is, labor wont be getting in anytime soon and thank stuff for that
Not with Albo running their circus. Labor doesnt have alot of talent on thier front bench
Looking at 20 years in the wilderness I reckon.
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Fascinating article that outlines how Scotty from Marketing can dominate politics for the next ten years.
But is he and his team up to it?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2020/may/05/political-unity-could-be-scott-morrisons-most-potent-weapon-will-he-use-it (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2020/may/05/political-unity-could-be-scott-morrisons-most-potent-weapon-will-he-use-it)
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Labor couldnt organise a pee up in a brewery. We all remember the calamity of Victorian Labor with the State Bank and Tricontinental. They left Victoria decimated. They spent billions on that white elephant desalination plant that doesnt produce anything. Then we had Rudd and Gillard lol. Pink batts cash for clunkers the most dodgiest schemes ever invented. Labor has form. They cant be trusted with the economy or the nations money. Scomo is a safe pair of hands. Showing impeccable leadership right now.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/cash-for-clunkers-new-calls-to-get-old-cars-off-the-road-123586.html?trackLink=SMH0 (https://www.drive.com.au/news/cash-for-clunkers-new-calls-to-get-old-cars-off-the-road-123586.html?trackLink=SMH0)
The car industry is preparing to lobby the Federal Government to introduce a “cash for clunkers” scheme to improve road safety and help the market recover from the longest sales slump since the Global Financial Crisis.
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LMAO - do you actually read any of the articles you post links to or just the headlines? :shh
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LMAO - do you actually read any of the articles you post links to or just the headlines? :shh
You need to try to be less abusive. How about an opinion that is not personal.
:cheers
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You posted a link to an article that doesn't actually say what you implied then acted all smug about it as if it did :shh
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Coalition in a bit of a mess in Eden Monaro by-election selection.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-06/andrew-constance-withdraws-from-race-for-eden-monaro/12219156 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-06/andrew-constance-withdraws-from-race-for-eden-monaro/12219156)
NSW Transport Minister Andrew Constance has abandoned his bid to enter the federal Parliament less than 24 hours after announcing he would seek Liberal pre-selection at the Eden-Monaro by-election.
Earlier this week, NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro confirmed he would not contest the by-election for the Nationals.
Both men had previously pledged not to run against each other.
Mr Barilaro confirmed he would still not run, despite Mr Constance's change of heart.
After he withdrew from the pre-selection race, text messages sent by Mr Barilaro to Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack, the federal Nationals leader, were leaked to the media.
"Don't hide behind the 'members will choose the candidate' rubbish, as you were the only one saying such lines," Mr Barilaro wrote.
"Don't you think my branches would have backed me in?
"To feel threatened by me clearly shows you have failed your team and failed as a leader.
"You will never be acknowledged by me as our leader. You aren't. You never will be.
"The Nats had a chance to create history, to change momentum, and you had a candidate that was prepared to risk everything to make it happen.
"What did you risk? Nothing.
"Hope you are proud of yourself."
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Interesting read from an American living in Australia
From the Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/05/scott-morrison-is-now-very-popular-australia-he-hasnt-earned-that/
Pretty sure I know what folks will post but a view from an outsider looking in, living here so worth a read
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Opinions are like assholes
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Interesting read from an American living in Australia
From the Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/05/scott-morrison-is-now-very-popular-australia-he-hasnt-earned-that/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/05/scott-morrison-is-now-very-popular-australia-he-hasnt-earned-that/)
Pretty sure I know what folks will post but a view from an outsider looking in, living here so worth a read
Hard to argue against?
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Just another lefty with no idea.
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dan andrews copping a nice whack and deservedly so. Kids need to learn you peanut.
just because a teacher contracted covid doesnt give justfication for this farce to continue a whole term to please his union mates.
Thank god our school allows us to bring them in, because unlike that idiot every one who works is essential as per what scomo says, and cannot educate and work.
Id rather listen to a national panel of medicos that some power tripper.
What the Federal education minister said today was the most pathetic effort of any pollie during this crisis.
Left the Victorian opposition looking good
Gutless wonder has withdrawn his comments and used being frustrated as an excuse
Think you will find your leader ScoMo has told Tehan to pull his head in.
And Frankie thought you better than this."power tripper". Please.. reason are clear also what the plan is
Did you miss the bit about mass testing for a fortnight and then a decision will be made on the remainder of term 2. Schools are open to suggest they are not is not true. Further other states have their schools "closed" too. Didn't get Tehan mention thst
And finally you are aware that ScoMo's kids are not at school because their schools are closed and they aren't schooled on Victoria. hence the govt's bribe to private schools this week. And please don't defend it, it is a bribe
they are closed true and thats because the school holidays only ended last week, though it doesnt suit your argument so you left that part out hey
Kids have missed 1 week in NSW. FACT
you obviously dont have kids because by the sounds of it education isnt your strong suit. You call it what you want, as a left i would expect nothing else. I call it a PM wanting kids to learn, as he is not happy about the long term damage. Open your eyes FFS.
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Just another lefty with no idea.
Correct, not sure why WP would even post garbage like that. I'm not sure about you but i didnt even open the link.
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Just another lefty with no idea.
Correct, not sure why WP would even post garbage like that. I'm not sure about you but i didnt even open the link.
Good to keep an informed opinion hey?
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Just another lefty with no idea.
Correct, not sure why WP would even post garbage like that. I'm not sure about you but i didnt even open the link.
Good to keep an informed opinion hey?
this coming from the biggest hypocrite on the topic. The article got what it deserved. Straight to the trash bin.
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Just another lefty with no idea.
Correct, not sure why WP would even post garbage like that. I'm not sure about you but i didnt even open the link.
Good to keep an informed opinion hey?
this coming from the biggest hypocrite on the topic. The article got what it deserved. Straight to the trash bin.
Do you even know what a hypocrite is?
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they are closed true and thats because the school holidays only ended last week, though it doesnt suit your argument so you left that part out hey
Kids have missed 1 week in NSW. FACT
you obviously dont have kids because by the sounds of it education isnt your strong suit. You call it what you want, as a left i would expect nothing else. I call it a PM wanting kids to learn, as he is not happy about the long term damage. Open your eyes FFS.
1/ NSW schools are like Victoria's - open for those kids who cannot be schooled at home. The only difference between NSW and Vic is NSW has announced when ALL students are to attend school. I know this because I have friends who are teaching their kids at home right now! FACT - the PM"s kids are not at school because they go to private schools and private schools in NSW are still closed; hence there ""BRIBE" towards private schools The federal govt cannot force STATE schools to open that is a FACT as well
No I don't have kids but I have a niece who goes to school so I am aware of what is going on each state
Finally and this ins't just directed at you Frankie but all posters...
the term "left" is totally unacceptable. All that is being done is taking an equally offensive word in RE_TARD and modifying it to imply people who lean to the left are stupid, slow or an imbecile ....
It is offensive and will continue to be removed or edited on this forum just like the moron or spast-ic does
I will tolerate being called a "lefty" even though I am am only a moderate because forgive me for believing in and standing for equality, fairness, freedom, looking out for the less fortunate etc as being good things.
But I will not being tolerate being called a "left" by anyone on this site
Exceptionally low blow
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Just another lefty with no idea.
Correct, not sure why WP would even post garbage like that. I'm not sure about you but i didnt even open the link.
I posted it because I thought it was interesting.
The writer made some interesting observations about how much people's views on leaders have changed in such a short period of time
there is no harm in hearing what the outside thinks, doesn't mean she's right, doesn't mean she is wrong.
And as I also said in my initial post I knew what most people's reactions would be and fair to say no one has disappointed.
Pity no one is willing to debate her comments just trash the writer
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Just another lefty with no idea.
Correct, not sure why WP would even post garbage like that. I'm not sure about you but i didnt even open the link.
I posted it because I thought it was interesting.
The writer made some interesting observations about how much people's views on leaders have changed in such a short period of time
there is no harm in hearing what the outside thinks, doesn't mean she's right, doesn't mean she is wrong.
And as I also said in my initial post I knew what most people's reactions would be and fair to say no one has disappointed.
Pity no one is willing to debate her comments just trash the writer
Sorry i wouldn't know if its interesting as i i told you i dont bother reading trash like that from a lefty. I think we can all agree the country is in safe hands with our current leader that was voted in.
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I think we can all agree the country is in safe hands with our current leader that was voted in.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what he has actually done that wasn't someone else's idea or simply a name change to an existing program.
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Just another lefty with no idea.
Correct, not sure why WP would even post garbage like that. I'm not sure about you but i didnt even open the link.
Good to keep an informed opinion hey?
this coming from the biggest hypocrite on the topic. The article got what it deserved. Straight to the trash bin.
Do you even know what a hypocrite is?
LMAO - do you actually read any of the articles you post links to or just the headlines? :shh
You need to try to be less abusive. How about an opinion that is not personal.
:cheers
At last French Protestants get their revenge for the massacre of the Huguenots:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/megachurch-meeting-in-mulhouse-seeded-france-s-coronavirus-epidemic-20200402-p54gdq.html
:shh
You are truly a sad individual.
:wallywink
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What's all that about?
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Sorry i wouldn't know if its interesting as i i told you i dont bother reading trash like that from a lefty. I think we can all agree the country is in safe hands with our current leader that was voted in.
How do you know it's trash if you haven't read it?
How do you know she is a lefty? What her back ground is?
There are actually parts in it you'd probably agree with and jump on in pumping up ScoMo ;D
Seems he is untouchable in your book now Frankie, no pollies, no leader is perfect
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I read it. It was trash.
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Sorry i wouldn't know if its interesting as i i told you i dont bother reading trash like that from a lefty. I think we can all agree the country is in safe hands with our current leader that was voted in.
How do you know it's trash if you haven't read it?
Two words: "Washington Post" :shh
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Sorry i wouldn't know if its interesting as i i told you i dont bother reading trash like that from a lefty. I think we can all agree the country is in safe hands with our current leader that was voted in.
How do you know it's trash if you haven't read it?
Two words: "Washington Post" :shh
:lol
Is there any newspaper anywhere in the world that you deem worthy?
You mock the NY times, Boston Globe, now Washington Post
So are the any good ones? USA Today, The Times? The Canadian Globe & Mail? Any at all
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:lol
Is there any newspaper anywhere in the world that you deem worthy?
You mock the NY times, Boston Globe, now Washington Post
So are the any good ones? USA Today, The Times? The Canadian Globe & Mail? Any at all
The Herald Sun maybe.
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Sorry i wouldn't know if its interesting as i i told you i dont bother reading trash like that from a lefty. I think we can all agree the country is in safe hands with our current leader that was voted in.
How do you know it's trash if you haven't read it?
Two words: "Washington Post" :shh
Got it in one. I have a friend who lives there so i know all about it.
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What's all that about?
you asked a question and i answered it.
:banghead
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:lol
Is there any newspaper anywhere in the world that you deem worthy?
You mock the NY times, Boston Globe, now Washington Post
So are the any good ones? USA Today, The Times? The Canadian Globe & Mail? Any at all
The Herald Sun maybe.
fin review is very good, my fav actually.
ever read that or do you just follow the trashy mags?
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If we are banning the left...d word, are we banning "RNWJ" too? Or does this only work for one side?
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If we are banning the left...d word, are we banning "RNWJ" too? Or does this only work for one side?
I do wonder what RNWJ is but who cares.
More importantly we have sides?
Are we at war?
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If we are banning the left...d word, are we banning "RNWJ" too? Or does this only work for one side?
If you like ....
Consider it banned
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If we are banning the left...d word, are we banning "RNWJ" too? Or does this only work for one side?
If you like ....
Consider it banned
Hmmmm?
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I have oft said Scotty from Marketing will not contest the next election.
Peter Hartcher (SMH) talks about one possible alternative. (see link below)
He does not name him as a possible sucessor (those are my words)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/three-decisions-and-a-two-point-plan-how-australia-got-on-top-of-covid-19-20200508-p54rag.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/three-decisions-and-a-two-point-plan-how-australia-got-on-top-of-covid-19-20200508-p54rag.html)
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The article from Hartcher shows the outstanding leadership of Morrisson. National cabinet attributed to Morrissons leadership. Goodbye Albanese Good night Labor. Youre gonna get trashed at the next election.
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:cheers
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You dont want to slam my post? Why not?
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You dont want to slam my post? Why not?
You are entitled to your rusted-on blinkered opinion just as much as I am entitled to mine.
The article sang the praises of Greg Hunt not Scotty from Marketing.
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and I don't trust your motives.
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If we are banning the left...d word, are we banning "RNWJ" too? Or does this only work for one side?
I do wonder what RNWJ is but who cares.
More importantly we have sides?
Are we at war?
It is clear there are people on the right side of things in here and people on the left. The terms that have both been banned now are often used by both 'sides' to disparage the other.
Wilbur is keeping it to simple debate. Credit to WP. :shh
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It is clear there are people on the right side of things in here and people on the left.
Not so sure. Certainly there are some on the right (and some on the hard right).
Not many if any socialists on this forum.
Me I'm in the middle believe or not.
Don't like our happy clapper PM.
Not sure who could take over though, maybe bring back Christopher Pyne. I do miss the Fixer.
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Can someone PM me the meaning of RNWJ.
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The article from Hartcher shows the outstanding leadership of Morrisson. National cabinet attributed to Morrissons leadership. Goodbye Albanese Good night Labor. Youre gonna get trashed at the next election.
In 20 years when the papers are released I look forward to seeing all the details of the national cabinet. Like everything else in 20 years we will know and I think it will be fascinating reading
Just on the Hartcher article, it is an interesting read. What's most interesting is how people take what they want out of it to suit their personal narrative.
I reckon it is exceptionally balanced, more of it I say
I saw no hidden suggestions about future leaders. I read about a very smart, determined health minister. Who was not been criticised by opposition pollies.
I didn't read anything about stunning leadership.i read the rightly given clips to the PM for his stupid "going to the footy" comments.
I read the kudos to the same PM for a good decision about the formation of the national Cabinet. It should remain after this is over as it works better than the other pointless system we had before. It also highlights how ScoMo has been prepared to listen, which he also deserves kudos for. For that we are indeed fortunate. Other countries like the USA are not so fortunate and look where they are
The article IMO is more about the Health Minister and what he has done/achieved and from it we should all be applauding him. He has done an outstanding job. Gets an extra tick for being a Tiger member :)
Most striking thing I take out of it is that all though we've done well, we were still slow reacting in locking down partly because we don't watch China like Taiwan does.
But having said that we are as an action in good place compared to other countries and I'll take that
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I have oft said Scotty from Marketing will not contest the next election.
Peter Hartcher (SMH) talks about one possible alternative. (see link below)
He does not name him as a possible sucessor (those are my words)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/three-decisions-and-a-two-point-plan-how-australia-got-on-top-of-covid-19-20200508-p54rag.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/three-decisions-and-a-two-point-plan-how-australia-got-on-top-of-covid-19-20200508-p54rag.html)
The possible successor was my thoughts not Peter's.
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and yes we have been very lucky.
Being an island in the middle of nowhere is a distinct advantage.
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Greg Hunt may be posdible deputy pm material cant see him being a top job contender which was your primary point.
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Greg Hunt may be posdible deputy pm material cant see him being a top job contender which was your primary point.
I'm sorry but deputy PM is that National's leader.
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Greg Hunt may be posdible deputy pm material cant see him being a top job contender which was your primary point.
I'm sorry but deputy PM is always the National's leader.
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Ok. Fair enough. I dont see Hunt as a future leader. I think in the past he has sought the deputy leadership.
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fin review is very good, my fav actually.
ever read that or do you just follow the trashy mags?
Actually I do
Great profile piece in there on Prof Peter Davey, who makes some strong comments about society today
Good report or trash?
;D
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The article from Hartcher shows the outstanding leadership of Morrisson. National cabinet attributed to Morrissons leadership. Goodbye Albanese Good night Labor. Youre gonna get trashed at the next election.
absolutely. Good read. Also shows what an outstanding team he has assembled.
well played PM.
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absolutely. Good read. Also shows what an outstanding team he has assembled.
well played PM.
Dare I ask
But this outstanding team.....
- are you including Dutton: he of failing declare interests which is against the law (there are more but I don't have time to list them but the AFL's Gil says merci)
- Senator Cash; who like Dutton fails to declare and refuses to answer questions pertaining the an AFP investigation
- and of course the sports minister the SmoMo govt's rorts queen
Or are they not so outstanding or do you simply condone their behaviour?
And Frankie, don't drag the ALP into this we are specifically talking about this current govt and the team you have just labelled outstanding
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:lol
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Laborites shouldnt criticise people forgetting to list things on the interests register. Labor mps all over the country have also forgotten to list things. In regards to sports grants every govetnment since the beginning of time hadls done. Very few if any did it any better than the Labor Party when theyve been in office.
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absolutely. Good read. Also shows what an outstanding team he has assembled.
well played PM.
Dare I ask
But this outstanding team.....
- are you including Dutton: he of failing declare interests which is against the law (there are more but I don't have time to list them but the AFL's Gil says merci)
- Senator Cash; who like Dutton fails to declare and refuses to answer questions pertaining the an AFP investigation
- and of course the sports minister the SmoMo govt's rorts queen
Or are they not so outstanding or do you simply condone their behaviour?
And Frankie, don't drag the ALP into this we are specifically talking about this current govt and the team you have just labelled outstanding
sorry WP you dont make the rules, and you do look foolish if you dont want to dig up the ethical behaviour of the ALP.
Dutton has done a terrific job as home affairs. That is his portfolio and how he is judged. Thanks for proving my point. As for Cash well her work on the small business front, the portfolio that she is in charge has been outstanding to date esprcially during this covid. Ask some of the small businesses how they rate the performance. I operate under this and i can assure you the work has been brilliant.
You are trying to discredit her based on an opinion by who penny wong, bill shorten? Good luck with that. Scomo promoted her and he is blessed with an eye for talent so i would tend to follow his lead.
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sorry WP you dont make the rules, and you do look foolish if you dont want to dig up the ethical behaviour of the ALP.
Dutton has done a terrific job as home affairs. That is his portfolio and how he is judged. Thanks for proving my point. As for Cash well her work on the small business front, the portfolio that she is in charge has been outstanding to date esprcially during this covid. Ask some of the small businesses how they rate the performance. I operate under this and i can assure you the work has been brilliant.
You are trying to discredit her based on an opinion by who penny wong, bill shorten? Good luck with that. Scomo promoted her and he is blessed with an eye for talent so i would tend to follow his lead.
I look foolish because I asked a question that you actually answered but had to drag the opposition in to it?
The ALP are not in power right now. So I am not interested in history and if you care to recall I have whacked previous Labour govt for some of their stupid actions.
Just like I have given the current mob kudos on the majority of things they done durong this crisis.(today was t his finest day
btw, shutting down questions)
But it doesn't make then immune to being held to account
Just So I am clear you have no issue with any pollies under the current govt breaking the law. Not my laws but the laws of this country?
Dutton has failed to declare his interests in property which is against parliamentary rules. If it was any ALP pollies you'd want them hung. So tell me why do you refuse to apply the laws to all pollies. Has done a good job with his portfolio? On some things yes but on others no. Pretty sure our best player doesnt think he's done a stellar job ;) but I am sure Gil does.
As for Cash, you bought Shorten and Wong into the discussion not me. I mentioned the AFP. She refuses to answer questions pertaining to a Federal police matter. Why? I am not trying discredit her, she is doing a darn fine job herself. If she has nothing to hide then answer the questions. It is not really that hard.
As for small business, she was against any type of wage subsidy program when it was first raised. The one thing that has rescued so many small businesses. Any idea who's idea it was?
I'll give you a hint, it was the bloke who is the chair of ScoMo's COVID19 working party. A former pollies.... who negotiated and bought all parties to the table... let me know if you need me to name him :thumbsup
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And...
There is that horrible piece of work Tim Smith that suggested Dan Andrews was drunk on power.
Dan Tehan who completely lost it the other day.
Michael "do nothing say nothing" McCormack
Barnaby Joyce
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And how can I forget George Christensen.
Where do I start with this creep.
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And I forgot Angus Taylor another who has an aversion to answering AFP questions :snidegrin
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absolutely. Good read. Also shows what an outstanding team he has assembled.
well played PM.
Yeah right.
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Labor is peeing into the wind. Its all over red rover.
The coalition is going to romp home at the next election.
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Labor is peeing into the wind. Its all over red rover.
The coalition is going to romp home at the next election.
Maybe, maybe not.
Depends what he does after the pandemic is over.
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what an outstanding leader we have in queensland. Wanting to fork out millions for an airline in the middle of a pandemic. Have you heard of anything more ridiculous. Actually it is the alp so fair chance we have.
Dutton is right yet again stating the obvious to that fool of a premier who cant even sort her own state out, and now wants to save an airline. :lol :lol Typical labor mismanagement 101, and nice ploy but its garbage.
Moving right along.
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What an absolute treasonous piece of CCP apologist excrement Tim Pallas is....#usefulidiots #tothegallows :thumbsdown
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what an outstanding leader we have in queensland. Wanting to fork out millions for an airline in the middle of a pandemic. Have you heard of anything more ridiculous. Actually it is the alp so fair chance we have.
Dutton is right yet again stating the obvious to that fool of a premier who cant even sort her own state out, and now wants to save an airline. :lol :lol Typical labor mismanagement 101, and nice ploy but its garbage.
Moving right along.
Yes, yes Dutton called the QLD Govt chaotic and corrupt.
And let's be truthfully here Mr Dutton knows a fair bit about corrupt... How many houses was it again ;D
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I hope theres an investigation in the interests of all politicians in Australia. I reckon the ALP will be shown to be hypocrites.
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I hope theres an investigation in the interests of all politicians in Australia. I reckon the ALCCP will be shown to be hypocrites.
e.f.a :shh
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I hope theres an investigation in the interests of all politicians in Australia. I reckon the ALP will be shown to be hypocrites.
Good idea
But why stop there... let's clean the place up completely. There won't be many left though but at least we will ALL know the type of people we've ALL been responsible for voting in
So once that's done then we can investigate why 2 Federal Minister continue to refuse to answer questions of the AFP.
Then we can move on to the sports rorts issue that has been further traced back to the PM's office
And for good measure we can have a other look at the constant travel and rent rorting undertaken by ALL pollies.
And then if we've got time someone might be able to explain why the PM's handpicked Chair of the COVID19 Commission is being given over $250k for 6 months for travel & accommodation costs (he's using it to fuel his private jet to attend the odd meeting in Canberra) while so many people have been deemed ineligible for Job Keeper and Job Seeker
And then to help with National debt we can get all of those shown to have missed used their travel and rent entitltements to pay back what they've rorted.
What do you reckon?
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Yep all good.
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And then to help with National debt we can get all of those shown to missed they travel and rent entitltements to pay back what they've rorted.
But keep giving #YourABC & SBS over a billion a year and funding such "essential" things like "The Arts" right? :shh
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Red Fatso Kim Carr...yet another AL(CC)P Quisling...becoming a recurring with that mob, time to de-register The Labor Party for the safety of the nation.... :shh
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scomo leading the international charge against CHINA :bow :bow
That is what leaders do. He goes from strength to strength this bloke and the haters have vanished like a fart in the wind.
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scomo leading the international charge against CHINA :bow :bow
That is what leaders do. He goes from strength to strength this bloke and the haters have vanished like a fart in the wind.
:lol
Yep applaud him for it.
Actually your other hero Trump suggested it originally but seeing everyone now sees him for the loon he is no one is listening... So Trump (unintentionally ) did SmoMo a favour :lol
But I think in a few month's time ScoMo may have a bigger issue to deal with on the local seen .... :shh
I am sure you would have read Jon Faine's piece in the Age over the weekend :huhor is it just trash because he used to work for the ABC... ::)
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Actually your other hero Trump suggested it originally but seeing everyone now sees him for the loon he is
I think more people are finally starting to see the Dems & it's media & Hollywood propaganda arms for the corrupt hypocrites they are...#Obamagate #believewomenuntiltheyaccuseoneofours :shh
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Actually your other hero Trump suggested it originally but seeing everyone now sees him for the loon he is no one is listening... So Trump (unintentionally ) did SmoMo a favour
So once again Scotty from Marketing is just using someone else's idea.
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While Each Way Albo & Dictator Dan await further instructions from Xi Jinping.... :shh :whistle
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scomo leading the international charge against CHINA :bow :bow
That is what leaders do. He goes from strength to strength this bloke and the haters have vanished like a fart in the wind.
:lol
Yep applaud him for it.
Actually your other hero Trump suggested it originally but seeing everyone now sees him for the loon he is no one is listening... So Trump (unintentionally ) did SmoMo a favour :lol
But I think in a few month's time ScoMo may have a bigger issue to deal with on the local seen .... :shh
I am sure you would have read Jon Faine's piece in the Age over the weekend :huhor is it just trash because he used to work for the ABC... ::)
im sure you do. You are fishing but only TT is biting.
Scomo has nailed it yet again, and its great watching a select few just fishing for an angle out of desperation/tears.
so you want me to read an article by a lefty written about Daniel Andrews and the efforts of the victorian libs? Next time post the article :banghead
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so you want me to read an article by a lefty written about Daniel Andrews and the efforts of the victorian libs? Next time post the article :banghead
:lol :lol
A lefty? You are aware of his history, the whacks he gave out to both sides of politics and in particular his bosses at the ABC?
I thought you were better than this Frankie, thought you had an open mind and based your judgements on taking in both sides argument, had the courage to read opinions different to yours and then making an informed call.
But Clearly not. Was interested in your views because you go on about the federal ALP being on the wilderness after this crisis. The same is going to apply at State level for oppositions as well. Think the article highlighted that in Victoria at least the problems run much deeper than COVID19
Anyways
And here's the link to the article
https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/victorian-libs-tearing-themselves-apart-as-andrews-soars-20200515-p54tby.html?ref=rss
Oh and BTW Trump has tweeted out overnight (one of many) that he indeed got ScoMo to take on China, which is no surprise. Scary one though is he has tweeted that he is now taking hydroxychloroquine. Which goes against what health & medical experts have said.
I think more people are finally starting to see the Dems & it's media & Hollywood propaganda arms for the corrupt hypocrites they are...#Obamagate #believewomenuntiltheyaccuseoneofours :shh
I think more and more within GOP have realised the bloke is a loon, has let down Americans and has handled this crisis abysmally. Close to 90k dead from COVID19 is not a good number despite what the Orange man says.
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Yeah Yeah "Orange Man bad".. ::)
Of course that death toll has nothing to do with things like that current MSM darling, the idiot Dem NY Governor Coumo sending virus patients to nursing & care homes...and now the Quisling scumbag has the hide to play politics and call it the "European virus"..just another useful idiot leftist doing Beijing's dirty work for them..... :shh
PS - US Population is 320 million - probably nearly 350 million if you count illegal immigrants- but as I said the left seen to struggle with the whole notion of "per capita"..... :shh :shh
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Do you really think Trump is doing a good job?
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Hasn't been perfect by any stretch but given the size , geography. population & very nature of the US, the fact it started in their winter, the fact it was China's (and their W.H.O puppet's) lies that slowed everyone's initial reaction (except countries who know the real nature of China better than anyone else like S.Korea, Taiwan & Mongolia) combined with an unprecedented non-stop, coordinated campaign of hostility, disinformation & impediment by the establishment against him...on the whole, so far, yes. (edit: and no I'm not blind to the man's many flaws as a human being and his policy mistakes since he's been in office) :shh
Do you really think the Democrats -who not only also minimised the virus in the early days but called Trump a racist for closing the borders and stopping flights from China (just like the left did here with Morrison) , the single most effective thing he did - would be doing any better? Why is the death toll/death rate highest in Democrat-run states? :shh :shh
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Wow, what a blinkered view of Trump.
Can't argue against a zealot.
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Yep didn't think you actually address any points- you never do when seriously challenged...just a glib, shallow hit and run poster and a troll...not to mention the hilarious irony of you calling others zealots... :shh
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Yep didn't think you actually address any points- you never do when seriously challenged...just a glib, shallow hit and run poster and a troll...not to mention the hilarious irony of you calling others zealots...
Not much of what you said is wildly untrue.
I just find the idea that you think Trump is doing a good job slightly amusing.
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Trump is gonna win against Biden. I like Joe
But at his age he cant be president. The democrats are all talk no action. Obama a huge disappointment. Yes we can turned into no we cant.
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Hair Sniffer Joe won't run...DNCCP will nominate $hillary at a brokered convention... :shh
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:police:
Hair Sniffer Joe won't run...DNCCP will nominate $hillary at a brokered convention... :shh
Michelle Obama?
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Possibly...either way, it won't be old Al Zheimers..... :shh
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Barak has been vocal of late.
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Not sure where to post this?
Here or on the Aust political thread
Perhaps both.... ;D
The silence on here about this stuff up is deafening
But....no surprise.... Now if the roles were reversed WOWEE ....
https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/later-60b-jobkeeper-error-discovered-20200522-p54vkm
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Not sure where to post this?
Here or on the Aust political thread
Perhaps both.... ;D
The silence on here about this stuff up is deafening
But....no surprise.... Now if the roles were reversed WOWEE ....
https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/later-60b-jobkeeper-error-discovered-20200522-p54vkm
please.
did it cost lives and or money? No. Money left over is the way i read it so they will approve more applications now under the grants. The ALP who created scheme after scheme threw money down the drain and killed people. I know which one voters like more.
Another left angle from albo the dud, and before you go on a rant. That word is commonly referred to in Hong Kong and quoted here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_elite
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A monumental 60 billion stuff up.
On the front page of the Age and hidden away on page 8 of the Herald-Sun.
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Another left angle from albo the dud, and before you go on a rant. That word is commonly referred to in Hong Kong and quoted here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_elite
Final warning to you Frankie and everyone else, the term "left" and its use is banned in this forum
There is no ifs, buts or maybes. It is banned!!!!! :banghead :banghead
Clear?
If you cannot respect that rule, request then perhaps we need to look at bringing in a 48 hours ban like we have in place for the "C" word
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please.
did it cost lives and or money? No. Money left over is the way i read it so they will approve more applications now under the grants. The ALP who created scheme after scheme threw money down the drain and killed people. I know which one voters like more.
Another left angle from albo the dud, and before you go on a rant. That word is commonly referred to in Hong Kong and quoted here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_elite
Have to say your response is exactly what I was expecting. Obviously different rules for different fools
If this was Labour govt you'd be tearing them to shreds over this .... you know it.
So glad you think this is a good thing? Millions of people missed out on this because they didn't qualify because the cost was so supposedly so great they had harsh restrictions on it who could get it.
"Costs lives" interesting question I don't think we know do we? Hasn't been any stats on possible suicides caused by people losing their livelihoods
Are you writing Treasurer Josh's scripts now. In an interview yesterday when he was challenged on the $60 billion stuff up his response was "well if it was Labour..... " seriously why can't this pathetic treasurer take responsibility for his department stuffing up.
Bottom line is you can't have it both ways? But it seems depending on which side of politics you sit you can.
And I won't even mention the hypocrisy of this government's presser 2 days ago about electric cars...
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Brilliant economic management from frydenburg. Saved Australia $60 billion. Now he should start cutting back the free money to people.
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(https://oi721.photobucket.com/albums/ww218/cuz2cotch/srv.jpeg)
:shh
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Only a rabid lefty would say that saving $60 billion is a stuff up. The left love free money where the taxpayers end up paying the bill.
Liberal stuff up = Australia saves $60 billion
Labor Stuff up =pink batts where peoples houses burnt down, cash for clinkers lol and billion dollar dodgy portables.
Libs saved us 60 billion Labor cost us billions in wacko schemes.
Its only a story for the left in society. It didnt even deserve page 8. They should have run it in the classifieds
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Only a rabid lefty would say that saving $60 billion is a stuff up.
True except they haven't saved $60 billion. It was a massive accounting error that happened on their watch. Shows a level of incompetence that is scary.
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Gone a bit quiet.
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Can you imagine a large corporation discovers a $6 billion mistake. Heads would roll.
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Only a rabid lefty would say that saving $60 billion is a stuff up. The left love free money where the taxpayers end up paying the bill.
Liberal stuff up = Australia saves $60 billion
Labor Stuff up =pink batts where peoples houses burnt down, cash for clinkers lol and billion dollar dodgy portables.
Libs saved us 60 billion Labor cost us billions in wacko schemes.
Its only a story for the left in society. It didnt even deserve page 8. They should have run it in the classifieds
Spot on ramps. Best money ever banked. One thing counts and that's the ALP are clutching at a straw no one cares about :lol
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Brilliant economic management from frydenburg. Saved Australia $60 billion. Now he should start cutting back the free money to people.
Would start with the double dipping of the dole to those bludgers pretending to be "job seekers" who don't deserve a cent. A great friend of mine laid off 2 girls because both wanted to be paid job keeper while staying at home and not working. He said I am opening 2 days per well, they wanted to bludge so he dumped them.
Whatever happens you can take great comfort in knowing we have a great set of hands managing our economy.
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please.
did it cost lives and or money? No. Money left over is the way i read it so they will approve more applications now under the grants. The ALP who created scheme after scheme threw money down the drain and killed people. I know which one voters like more.
Another left angle from albo the dud, and before you go on a rant. That word is commonly referred to in Hong Kong and quoted here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_elite
Have to say your response is exactly what I was expecting. Obviously different rules for different fools
If this was Labour govt you'd be tearing them to shreds over this .... you know it.
So glad you think this is a good thing? Millions of people missed out on this because they didn't qualify because the cost was so supposedly so great they had harsh restrictions on it who could get it.
"Costs lives" interesting question I don't think we know do we? Hasn't been any stats on possible suicides caused by people losing their livelihoods
Are you writing Treasurer Josh's scripts now. In an interview yesterday when he was challenged on the $60 billion stuff up his response was "well if it was Labour..... " seriously why can't this pathetic treasurer take responsibility for his department stuffing up.
Bottom line is you can't have it both ways? But it seems depending on which side of politics you sit you can.
And I won't even mention the hypocrisy of this government's presser 2 days ago about electric cars...
Millions did not miss out. You have no idea what you are talking about. You do realise you can still apply :lol
It was only last week there were emails out saying sorry you missed out and now try again we have broadened the eligibility. Now understood that was the business support scheme (state) but if you can apply go for it. Simple.
If you won't apply then it's your own fault for relying on accountants where really the individual should read up yourself. I don't have anyone who didn't get it after applying, and that includes full part time and casual workers and the self employed.
This is money saved and a witch-hunt by a party bereft of answers, and still tearing up after the unlosable election.
I was talking about the bungled pink batts scheme? You know that hair brained scheme which cost money not the other way around.
If you want to talk about suicide how many have pulled the pin due to suicide or family violence with the extension of Conrad Andrews dictatorship lockup. We will never know but you count on it being more than covid. :shh
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I would like to know where our great leader Scotty from Marketing is at the moment.
In hiding methinks.
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Well its a $60 billion saving because the money was going to be budgeted to be spent. The government
Should consider a national infrastructure program including fast rail on the eastern seaboard from melbourne to brisbane. That would be a great project for the nation. I congratulate the federal government
and Josh for not making the mistake of just forking out another 60 billion to the long term dole bludgers.
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Well its a $60 billion saving because the money was going to be budgeted to be spent. The government
Should consider a national infrastructure program including fast rail on the eastern seaboard from melbourne to brisbane. That would be a great project for the nation. I congratulate the federal government
and Josh for not making the mistake of just forking out another 60 billion to the long term dole bludgers.
Think that just might be what they do.
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Millions did not miss out. You have no idea what you are talking about. You do realise you can still apply :lol
It was only last week there were emails out saying sorry you missed out and now try again we have broadened the eligibility. Now understood that was the business support scheme (state) but if you can apply go for it. Simple.
Millions are missing out. If you are worker from a foreign owned company you are not entitled to Job Keeper, even though you pay taxes. You are also aware that they have saod today that are under no circumstances going to widen the eligibility criteria or extend the program
If you won't apply then it's your own fault for relying on accountants where really the individual should read up yourself. I don't have anyone who didn't get it after applying, and that includes full part time and casual workers and the self employed.
Nice cheap shot at an accountant Frankie
Lucky you, I do. Know 3 people have been told they don't qualify including one who is a casual who has worked for the same company for 10 months.
This is money saved and a witch-hunt by a party bereft of answers, and still tearing up after the unlosable election.
I was talking about the bungled pink batts scheme? You know that hair brained scheme which cost money not the other way around.
If you want to talk about suicide how many have pulled the pin due to suicide or family violence with the extension of Conrad Andrews dictatorship lockup. We will never know but you count on it being more than covid. :shh
Money saved? Outside of it not being an actual saving.
Not so fast....
You are aware that the government are thinking of using the money somewhere else but they are arguing amongst themselves as to what they should use it for.... So no savings just yet
Oh and one more thing...even yourself ScoMo has admitred they stuffed up. If they didn't stuff up why has he just said the did?
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Scotty from Marketing is at it again with his "new" JobMaker scheme.
A new idea? It is if you think a focus on trades and the TAFE sector is new.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/scott-morrison-warns-years-of-pain-post-coronavirus-economy/12285142 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/scott-morrison-warns-years-of-pain-post-coronavirus-economy/12285142)
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Well that was disappointing. Another talk fest. Scotty from Marketing is after a name change.
Maybe KRudd v2
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Millions did not miss out. You have no idea what you are talking about. You do realise you can still apply :lol
It was only last week there were emails out saying sorry you missed out and now try again we have broadened the eligibility. Now understood that was the business support scheme (state) but if you can apply go for it. Simple.
Millions are missing out. If you are worker from a foreign owned company you are not entitled to Job Keeper, even though you pay taxes. You are also aware that they have saod today that are under no circumstances going to widen the eligibility criteria or extend the program
If you won't apply then it's your own fault for relying on accountants where really the individual should read up yourself. I don't have anyone who didn't get it after applying, and that includes full part time and casual workers and the self employed.
Nice cheap shot at an accountant Frankie
Lucky you, I do. Know 3 people have been told they don't qualify including one who is a casual who has worked for the same company for 10 months.
This is money saved and a witch-hunt by a party bereft of answers, and still tearing up after the unlosable election.
I was talking about the bungled pink batts scheme? You know that hair brained scheme which cost money not the other way around.
If you want to talk about suicide how many have pulled the pin due to suicide or family violence with the extension of Conrad Andrews dictatorship lockup. We will never know but you count on it being more than covid. :shh
Money saved? Outside of it not being an actual saving.
Not so fast....
You are aware that the government are thinking of using the money somewhere else but they are arguing amongst themselves as to what they should use it for.... So no savings just yet
Oh and one more thing...even yourself ScoMo has admitred they stuffed up. If they didn't stuff up why has he just said the did?
Well tough IMO. They got paid more than the average person being on casual rates. Nothing stopping them going on job seeker, or are they going to complain about getting $100 a week less, which would be offset with the $750 x 2 stimulus. So in a lot of cases they would be better off under Job Seeker.
Government made a mistake, but a very good one to make. Market likes the mistake and scomo has really done it again. Turned a potential negative into a positive. :bow
His performance is reaping praise wherever you look, and by the people that count.
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/andrews-has-put-china-above-his-party-and-his-nation/news-story/5596583c6f4d5fe038f818181c538ef5?fbclid=IwAR2Qs380LgHwRhWeiNDMDz2lkgSbB17kHoZCpYDLYoWVys20zfRvX0Yfdwo
:shh
comrade has lost the plot
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Federal government should launch a high court challenge against Victoria to have Victorias agreement declared illegal. The socialists should never have jumped into bed with communist china. Its just eisgraceful and will put our country and our state at risk.
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Paywall :(
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Federal government should launch a high court challenge against Victoria to have Victorias agreement declared illegal. The socialists should never have jumped into bed with communist china. Its just eisgraceful and will put our country and our state at risk.
Imagine if it was Dutton or someone else WP and the like would have been here quick as a flash. Not that anyone could be that stupid, even albo doesn't look happy. He seems like a good bloke well next to shorten anyone is, who can't keep his face off the TV. He might think he is a chance again to boot albo out. :lol
Otherwise nothing to see here move right along. Take it all the way to the next election and show Andrews next to those commie bastards along with the total number of the deaths in the world.
Disgraceful country and the only positive is reduce our reliance on those scum bags
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Australia will record its first recession in 29 years as March quarter GDP shrinks
GDP figures from the Bureau of Statistics show Australia's economy shrank 0.3 per cent in the March quarter, amid bushfires and the early stages of the coronavirus pandemic.
This makes it certain that Australia will suffer its first recession in 29 years, as the full impact of coronavirus-related shutdowns occurred during the current June quarter.
Economists widely define a recession as two consecutive quarters of GDP contraction, which are now certain to occur.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-03/australian-economy-gdp-recession-march-quarter-2020/12315140
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-gdp-falls-as-economic-damage-of-covid-looms/a4d4ea73-aa34-4b48-9414-dffa2e00ff34
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Scotty from Marketing is at it again with his "new" HomeBuilder scheme.
A good idea? It is if you are wealthy enough to afford a $150,000 extension or a $750,000 new house.
Does nothing for the people suffering on JobKeeper or JobSeeker.
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Scotty from Marketing is at it again with his "new" HomeBuilder scheme.
A good idea? It is if you are wealthy enough to afford a $150,000 extension or a $750,000 new house.
Does nothing for the people suffering on JobKeeper or JobSeeker.
Median house price in Sydney and Melbourne is over $750k
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Scotty from Marketing is at it again with his "new" HomeBuilder scheme.
A good idea? It is if you are wealthy enough to afford a $150,000 extension or a $750,000 new house.
Does nothing for the people suffering on JobKeeper or JobSeeker.
Median house price in Sydney and Melbourne is over $750k
Your point?
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Didn't think there were any points to what was posted on this thread.
WAT made more sense sometimes than the posts in here
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Didn't think there were any points to what was posted on this thread.
WAT made more sense sometimes than the posts in here
Does this mean you have given up defending Scotty from Marketing?
Where's Dio when you need him?
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another prudent decision from the team.
tt did you even read the scheme?? Perhaps you would have preferred the pink batts
once again Scomo and his team have nailed this to to a tee.
To qualify, people need to be intending to build a new home as a principal place of residence valued up to $750,000 including the land, or planning to renovate an existing property, with the upgrade valued at between $150,000 and $750,000.
if you cant afford a house and land package for $450,000, heck even $350,000 in rural areas, then you haven't managed your money properly.
first home buyers could grab $35,000 benefit, as well as only needing 5% deposit for a few more months yet.
for those who have a house worth more, they can do a big reno and get $25,000. Only those with a house worth more than 1.5 get nothing. :bow
this guy is going from strength to strength before our very eyes.
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another prudent decision from the team.
tt did you even read the scheme?? Perhaps you would have preferred the pink batts
once again Scomo and his team have nailed this to to a tee.
To qualify, people need to be intending to build a new home as a principal place of residence valued up to $750,000 including the land, or planning to renovate an existing property, with the upgrade valued at between $150,000 and $750,000.
if you cant afford a house and land package for $450,000, heck even $350,000 in rural areas, then you haven't managed your money properly.
first home buyers could grab $35,000 benefit, as well as only needing 5% deposit for a few more months yet.
for those who have a house worth more, they can do a big reno and get $25,000. Only those with a house worth more than 1.5 get nothing.
this guy is going from strength to strength before our very eyes.
Do you really believe all that?
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Another great policy and initiative from the prime minister and his team. Scotty from marketing is going to walk in the next federal election.
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another prudent decision from the team.
tt did you even read the scheme?? Perhaps you would have preferred the pink batts
once again Scomo and his team have nailed this to to a tee.
To qualify, people need to be intending to build a new home as a principal place of residence valued up to $750,000 including the land, or planning to renovate an existing property, with the upgrade valued at between $150,000 and $750,000.
if you cant afford a house and land package for $450,000, heck even $350,000 in rural areas, then you haven't managed your money properly.
first home buyers could grab $35,000 benefit, as well as only needing 5% deposit for a few more months yet.
for those who have a house worth more, they can do a big reno and get $25,000. Only those with a house worth more than 1.5 get nothing.
this guy is going from strength to strength before our very eyes.
Do you really believe all that?
every word. Unlike you i actually read the scheme before commenting on it.
You said and i quote It is if you are wealthy enough to afford a $150,000 extension or a $750,000 new house.
i not only corrected you, that its any house under 750k, but i commented what most australians are thinking right about our PM, in that he is nailing every post a winner at present. Feel free to continue though its a free country.
we live in a lucky country thats for sure, lucky that the alp and billy shorten aren't in charge.
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This article says it all. Try to read it with the blinkers off.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/homebuyers-grant-scott-morrisons-homebuilder-scheme-panned/news-story/398dd7f3b6a61a6ded7837812d5c248d (https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/homebuyers-grant-scott-morrisons-homebuilder-scheme-panned/news-story/398dd7f3b6a61a6ded7837812d5c248d)
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And this from a builder.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/no-need-for-homes-package-to-keep-dream-alive-says-inundated-builder-20200604-p54zlt.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/no-need-for-homes-package-to-keep-dream-alive-says-inundated-builder-20200604-p54zlt.html)
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And this from an industry expert.
https://www.domain.com.au/news/experts-decry-grotesque-688m-construction-stimulus-as-renters-snubbed-again-960610/?utm_campaign=strap-masthead&utm_source=the-age&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pos5&ref=pos1 (https://www.domain.com.au/news/experts-decry-grotesque-688m-construction-stimulus-as-renters-snubbed-again-960610/?utm_campaign=strap-masthead&utm_source=the-age&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pos5&ref=pos1)
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Loved this quote. How anybody could believe otherwise beggars belief.
Anyone able to start this kind of large-scale renovation by the end of the year either already has their finance lined up and hasn’t suffered an income cut during this crisis that would make them reconsider, or has the cash to do it without borrowing.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/04/the-homebuilder-scheme-is-simply-pork-barrelling-to-the-coalitions-electoral-base#maincontent (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/04/the-homebuilder-scheme-is-simply-pork-barrelling-to-the-coalitions-electoral-base#maincontent)
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So I rebuff your claim and now you go searching for some sad stories. Guess what in life you have winners and losers . I's not a free ride like the job seeker dole bludgers are getting.
Could you imagine if the stimulus was offered to tradies doing odd jobs around a house. It would be pink batts all over again. Many would rort the system. This way it goes into the right hands. To the actual building sector not the handyman sector.
Nailed it the LNP
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A couple of points.
This package won't provide much if any extra work for the building sector because it will be taken up by people who were planning to build or renovate anyway.
The greater need in the housing sector is for social housing but there are no votes there for Scotty from Marketing. The package is a blatant give away to the well off who are the only people that can afford to spend $150,000 on a renovation. or $750,000 on a new house. People on JobSeeker or JobKeeper will not be looking to spend that sort of money.
This is an attempt to shore up the Liberals voter base. You only have to look at where the announcement was made. It was in Eden-Monaro where there just happens to be a byelection coming up.
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Australia will suffer a big drop in GDP in the next quarter but come out of a technical recession straight after as businesses reopen. Theres no need for dodgy pink batt schemes and cash for clunker schemes. Scotty from Marketing is doing brilliantly. He'll romp in the next election and kill Labors dream for another decade. Scottys popularity ratings going through the roof and rightly so. Pensioners are getting another $750 next month. This ones over. Its all over red rover. Scotty from marketing will win in a landslide.
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A bit of pure deflection there. You should be in politics.
At least you have given up trying to defend yet another flawed policy.
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A couple of points.
This package won't provide much if any extra work for the building sector because it will be taken up by people who were planning to build or renovate anyway.
The greater need in the housing sector is for social housing but there are no votes there for Scotty from Marketing. The package is a blatant give away to the well off who are the only people that can afford to spend $150,000 on a renovation. or $750,000 on a new house. People on JobSeeker or JobKeeper will not be looking to spend that sort of money.
This is an attempt to shore up the Liberals voter base. You only have to look at where the announcement was made. It was in Eden-Monaro where there just happens to be a byelection coming up.
The greater need in the housing sector is for social housing but there are no votes there for Scotty from Marketing. The package is a blatant give away to the well off who are the only people that can afford to spend $150,000 on a renovation. or $750,000 on a new house. People on JobSeeker or JobKeeper will not be looking to spend that sort of money.
Again with the $750,000. :banghead :banghead
It is up to $750,000. e.g couple wants to buy a house and land package in Tarneit for $400,000, they will get $25,000. Couple wants a new home in Lara they will receive $25,000, Couple wants to build a house and land in Mulgrave for $699,000, they will receive $25,000. A guy called TT from OER want to build their dream home in Toorak with his mate 65 for $751,000, he will NOT receive $25,000. If you happen to be a first home buyer you will get more than this.
his package won't provide much if any extra work for the building sector because it will be taken up by people who were planning to build or renovate anyway.
wrong again. Many people were sitting on the sidelines and now with with the aid of a $25,000 kicker they will engage and build.
How about the pensioners who will upgrade their home with wheelchair access, new kitchen, so it helps them avoid selling, paying stamp duty and moving some place else.
I'm starting to think politics isnt your forte. With respect you need to smarten up or just sit down please until covid is over.
Scotty has nailed this one to a tee. The change to foreign investment laws yesterday was another stroke of genius. :bow :bow
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My last post has been deleted. Was it the actual phrase I used or the way I said it? Is sarcasm no longer allowed?
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Scotty has nailed this one to a tee. The change to foreign investment laws yesterday was another stroke of genius.
I liked this move from Snotty from Marketing. Needs a fancy name though. AssetKeeper maybe?
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Another dud program from Snotty from Marketing.
Just 38 of a predicted 36,000 food boxes have been delivered under a $9.3m government initiative designed to deliver emergency food supplies to older Australians isolating throughout Covid-19.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/05/government-scheme-delivers-just-38-of-predicted-36000-covid-food-boxes-to-older-australians (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/05/government-scheme-delivers-just-38-of-predicted-36000-covid-food-boxes-to-older-australians)
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The greater need in the housing sector is for social housing but there are no votes there for Scotty from Marketing. The package is a blatant give away to the well off who are the only people that can afford to spend $150,000 on a renovation. or $750,000 on a new house. People on JobSeeker or JobKeeper will not be looking to spend that sort of money.
Frankie, your point would be better made if you don't use underlining.
Consider the following. which is easier to read?
The greater need in the housing sector is for social housing but there are no votes there for Scotty from Marketing. The package is a blatant give away to the well off who are the only people that can afford to spend $150,000 on a renovation. or $750,000 on a new house. People on JobSeeker or JobKeeper will not be looking to spend that sort of money.
The greater need in the housing sector is for social housing but there are no votes there for Scotty from Marketing. The package is a blatant give away to the well off who are the only people that can afford to spend $150,000 on a renovation. or $750,000 on a new house. People on JobSeeker or JobKeeper will not be looking to spend that sort of money.
cheers
TT/65
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My last post has been deleted. Was it the actual phrase I used or the way I said it? Is sarcasm no longer allowed?
It was removed because it led to another cheap insult (baiting) which would have been reported (rightly)
Both are against site rules so they were both removed
You can't have it both ways
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Albanese and his mates should start ordering pizzas for their next disastrous election defeat. A landslide for Scotty boy.
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SNIP :banghead
Keep it up and strikes will be issued
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My last post has been deleted. Was it the actual phrase I used or the way I said it? Is sarcasm no longer allowed?
It was removed because it led to another cheap insult (baiting) which would have been reported (rightly)
Both are against site rules so they were both removed
You can't have it both ways
I didn't get a chance to read it but safe to say it belongs in the trash
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Albanese and his mates should start ordering pizzas for their next disastrous election defeat. A landslide for Scotty boy.
Albo is so out of his depth. It's a shame in a way as he seems fat more genuine than his fake news predecessor.
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From Domain.com
"HomeBuilder is a good idea gone bad. It is possibly the most complex and least equitable program the government could have devised to deliver construction jobs.
It gives $25,000 to people who already own a home or already have enough money to buy one while delivering a minimal stimulus to extra construction. It isn’t a program to create jobs, it is a way of making people who are reasonably well off richer."
https://www.domain.com.au/news/homebuilder-might-be-the-most-complex-least-equitable-construction-jobs-program-ever-devised-961127/?utm_campaign=featured-masthead&utm_source=the-age&utm_medium=link (https://www.domain.com.au/news/homebuilder-might-be-the-most-complex-least-equitable-construction-jobs-program-ever-devised-961127/?utm_campaign=featured-masthead&utm_source=the-age&utm_medium=link)
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you are falling apart my friend, no one cares about this opinion peace.
first home buyers will now be able to buy homes, and others including pensioners who under normal circumstances can now renovate and not downgrade. As for social housing well they can wait until the greens get in, or for some of them maybe stop blaming everyone for their mistakes and be grateful with what you get.
first you went on a rant that who can afford to buy a house and land for $750,000 TT, then you were fact checked as spreading fake news, and now your reaching for an opinion peace. Give up.
Scomo on the right path to an election victory. As PM during this covid period one can only describe his efforts as simply sensational. :thumbsup
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I am tempted to give you a one word answer but the word I would use has been banned (I think)
:lol
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haha i think iso has not served you well. the spell will do you good.
hanging for footy to start? at least we can share some common ground there
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I was a bit disappointed that Snotty from Marketing didn't get an award today.
Surely his contribution to Binomial nomenclature is worthy of an AO at least.
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Here are the names that Snotty from Marketing is responsible for: Job Custodis, Job Indagator and Domus Fecit.
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Mr Morrison has had the highest approval PM rating since 2008 or something
yes saw that Chucky, over 54%
No surprise to be honest
Following the experts' advice in a crisis and especially handing out money is popular :shh.
ps. 12 years almost to the day since Rudd hit his Newspoll peak out of interest.
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Morrison's test will be when these 'stimulus' measures (which cost four-times what Rudd's did) have to be wound back after September and tough unpopular decisions will have to be made to make inroads into the massive budget deficit and almost trillion dollar debt we will be left with. Giving out money is easy but taking these 'entitlements' back even when financially right and prudent to do so has been a political nightmare in Australia especially over the past decade or so. That's when political popularity can quickly dissipate.
Unemployment for example is expected to remain high not only this year but throughout 2021. Halving the jobseeker payment after September and expecting people to live on just $40 a day as it was before the covid-19 crisis is going to be a huge issue with so many expected to still be out of a job.
The reality is life doesn't snap back to the way it was before a crisis. The world will have permanently changed in some ways (eg: a more tech-based connected society, a more cash-less economy, more online shopping, etc...). Many bricks & mortar retailers won't return which means less retail jobs. It's a slow rebuild economically and people quickly become impatient (some already are on Morrison's own side and we haven't even started the road back). If Morrison thinks he can just stick to typical LNP-script and promise to offer even more tax cuts we can't afford later this year and somehow that will miraculously fix things including reducing the massive debt then he is kidding himself. Trickle down economics has never worked. There needs to be genuine reform of and across the economy which includes the LNP's older base and their over-generous middle-class welfare.
the difference is one has not wasted money on pathetic schemes.
Now that your back i take it by your post that scomo has done a great job, hence why your anti scomo posts are back? Your bias of the man has no end.
I need to go back on your gfc comments on Rudd if you shared the same economic viewpoint when he was handing out money left right and centre on half arsed schemes. :shh
I am curious what generous middle class welfare are you referring to?? Family tax? F Credits? Neg G? if its the last 2 then i hate to break to you but its low income who also benefit, and besides the people have voted. End of story.
The economic conditions have completely changed from the last election when the LNP were against all reform and even greenfield agreements and electric cars ::).
Australia is in recession for the first time in 29 years, we now have high unemployment and our debt levels which had already doubled under this federal government before 2020 have now gone off the charts. Everything should be on the table again. We will see what this attempted 'Accord 2.0' dishes up and whether the reactionaries on the LNP's backbench support it after a decade of being anti-everything regarding reform. Morrison will also need to watch his back with Ruby Dutton waiting in the wings for any chance to pounce :shh.
And yes, franking credits and negative gearing should be those middle class welfare policies that need reform. It isn't "aspirational" when we have an imputation system that allows people who don't work and don't pay taxes to get more from the same investment(s) than those who work and pay taxes while the government is deprived of company tax that is meant to be used for the benefit of all Australians; not for a tiny 4%'s benefit ::). And "low income" doesn't mean poor if you're asset rich :nopity. If you want to claim to be a "self-funded retiree" then sell or downsize the asset(s) and live off your own means instead of bludging off the taxpayer and crying poor while you keep all your assets as inheritance for your kids ::). Explains why Hanson with her property portfolio was against changing the system and was going on about "death taxes" at the last election. Hello, pigs in the trough! The Age of Entitlement lives on ::).
It looks like we're going to get more of the same though. The LNP still love their middle class welfare like handing out more freebies in 25k to those who were going to renovate or buy a house anyway :facepalm. For the level of work a $150k-750k renovation or a new <$750k house requires, you need detailed planning and building permits which take months and even a year or more to organise and then obtain from a local council. So those already in the process and already have the money are ones mainly to benefit. At least if there had been social housing included a long-term legacy would be left from it. But nope they ignored social housing. So much for "not wasted money on pathetic schemes" :shh.
More taxpayer-funded middle-class freebies for those who don't need it while those who actually need financial help go increasingly without.
As for social housing well they can wait until the greens get in, or for some of them maybe stop blaming everyone for their mistakes and be grateful with what you get.
Let them eat cake instead, eh Frankie!
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i must go back and have a look at your posts during the gfc regarding social housing. I am guessing there werent many back then just like it would be difficult to locate many posts regarding the failed schemes of rudd.
FWIW i agree with you on franking credits, but where we differ is i believe it should be capped and not available for those over a certain income theshold.
recession if you can call it that will be none other than a pee in the ocean. Economy to be back bigger than ever come Q3.
Unemployment revised down to 8%, not as bad as first thought. Scomo's work is of top quality. Country is in safe hands boys.
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still struggle to understand how anyone is blaming the recession on anything other than the global downturn heightened by COVID
personal agendas I suppose
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Well we currently live in a world where the same kind of halfwits fight imaginary Nazis by vandalising statues & monuments to people who fought and defeated the real live actual Nazis Chucky... so... :joker :shh
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still struggle to understand how anyone is blaming the recession on anything other than the global downturn heightened by COVID
personal agendas I suppose
Name names please. I would love to know who these effwits are.
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i must go back and have a look at your posts during the gfc regarding social housing. I am guessing there werent many back then just like it would be difficult to locate many posts regarding the failed schemes of rudd.
FWIW i agree with you on franking credits, but where we differ is i believe it should be capped and not available for those over a certain income theshold.
recession if you can call it that will be none other than a pee in the ocean. Economy to be back bigger than ever come Q3.
Unemployment revised down to 8%, not as bad as first thought. Scomo's work is of top quality. Country is in safe hands boys.
The GFC was 12 years ago. Yes as I said many times pink-batts was a stuff-up and I said at the time that I didn't personally need the $900 payment but the overall response by the Rudd government to the GFC worked and kept Australia out of recession.
For practical political purposes, yes just capping franking credits will have to be accepted by the likes of me. Basing it purely on income threshold is insufficient though IMO. Asset rich people will still rort it as they are doing now. The threshold should be based on both income and especially strict asset thresholds. The country can't afford a $6 billion and growing welfare bill and the loss of corporate tax revenue from these franking credits that benefits only a tiny 4%.
Frydenberg even said we're in recession cause he knows the June quarter will be the one that cops the major economic hit. He knew it was smarter politics to just admit it now. Ironically, if the federal LNP government hadn't been obsessed chasing some phony budget "surplus" for political reasons and not gone against the advice of expert economists during 2018-19 to instead stimulate the slowing economy and low wage growth then the March 2020 quarter may have even come in as positive despite the downturn.
While everyone wants a quick "V"-shaped recovery, history shows that is never the case. Society's habits change (some people will now continue to work and shop from home) and consumers in general become more cautious with their spending habits. That will cause some businesses to close and jobs to go permanently. It takes a few years for society to adjust to new consumer habits and for the economy to recover. Especially as international borders will not fully open for a long while yet. The unemployment rate is often the last indicator to rise (why the April figures didn't seem too bad) and then fall. It's why there's calls to extend the jobkeeper program.
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i must go back and have a look at your posts during the gfc regarding social housing. I am guessing there werent many back then just like it would be difficult to locate many posts regarding the failed schemes of rudd.
FWIW i agree with you on franking credits, but where we differ is i believe it should be capped and not available for those over a certain income theshold.
recession if you can call it that will be none other than a pee in the ocean. Economy to be back bigger than ever come Q3.
Unemployment revised down to 8%, not as bad as first thought. Scomo's work is of top quality. Country is in safe hands boys.
The GFC was 12 years ago. Yes as I said many times pink-batts was a stuff-up and I said at the time that I didn't personally need the $900 payment but the overall response by the Rudd government to the GFC worked and kept Australia out of recession.
For practical political purposes, yes just capping franking credits will have to be accepted by the likes of me. Basing it purely on income threshold is insufficient though IMO. Asset rich people will still rort it as they are doing now. The threshold should be based on both income and especially strict asset thresholds. The country can't afford a $6 billion and growing welfare bill and the loss of corporate tax revenue from these franking credits that benefits only a tiny 4%.
Frydenberg even said we're in recession cause he knows the June quarter will be the one that cops the major economic hit. He knew it was smarter politics to just admit it now. Ironically, if the federal LNP government hadn't been obsessed chasing some phony budget "surplus" for political reasons and not gone against the advice of expert economists during 2018-19 to instead stimulate the slowing economy and low wage growth then the March 2020 quarter may have even come in as positive despite the downturn.
While everyone wants a quick "V"-shaped recovery, history shows that is never the case. Society's habits change (some people will now continue to work and shop from home) and consumers in general become more cautious with their spending habits. That will cause some businesses to close and jobs to go permanently. It takes a few years for society to adjust to new consumer habits and for the economy to recover. Especially as international borders will not fully open for a long while yet. The unemployment rate is often the last indicator to rise (why the April figures didn't seem too bad) and then fall. It's why there's calls to extend the jobkeeper program.
History is your friend in these times. The last 5 global recessions happen every 8-10 years and that is where we are now.
I absolutely see no different this time round apart from the fact its a Covid recession and nothing else unless you believe in conspiracy theories.
It wont be a V shaped recovery. In fact i see more like a W at least a steady approach to a recovery. There wont be much growth in the next 12-24 months. Market didnt do much in 2010 and 2011 as Europe had its issues with the PIIG countries.
Rudd had one neg quarter, and next one was slightly in front. This recession is not cause by bad economic management. This time round i expect the next numbers to be worse in q2, but then a sharp reversal in q3, unless some more stuff heads want to go and protest to spread their poo.
I'm sure you praise Rudd but funny how you dont praise his predecessor, first for leaving him with a surplus, which no doubt you will deny, and secondly and most importantly for avoiding a recession himself throughout his tenure. :shh
The country is in the safest pair of hands thats what i know. Can you imagine willy shorton in charge of this. Virgin would have got a bail out of 7 billion dollars, and thats just the start.
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History is your friend in these times.
Really? Pity Scotty from Marketing has NFI about our history as a country.
Now he is claiming that Australia has no history of slavery.
Really what an absolute ignorant prick this happy clapper PM is.
Read the attached article or just google blackbirding.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/scott-morrison-claims-no-slavery-in-australia-sparking-backlash/news-story/c71ef8e6173d82c831d7f826bf8e82a6 (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/scott-morrison-claims-no-slavery-in-australia-sparking-backlash/news-story/c71ef8e6173d82c831d7f826bf8e82a6)
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The first slaves in Australia were white - aka "convicts".... :shh
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The first slaves in Australia were white - aka "convicts"....
Nice deflection as always.
Doesn't change the fact the PM is either lying or he has no idea about our history of slavery. And in these times you would think he should know.
So which is it? Is he a liar or just plain dumb?
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who cares :banghead
lets focus on dans performance as premier and the protestor who has covid now
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who cares
lets focus on dans performance as premier and the protestor who has covid now
It goes towards his competence as a PM and his ability to deal withe Black Lives Matter movement.
You have to admit his statement today at best was just plain dumb.
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The first slaves in Australia were white - aka "convicts"....
Nice deflection as always.
Doesn't change the fact the PM is either lying or he has no idea about our history of slavery. And in these times you would think he should know.
So which is it? Is he a liar or just plain dumb?
Stating the fact that the first slaves in Australia were white still backs up your assertion he was wrong to say that we never had slavery, so not sure how that qualities as a "deflection"..... :huh
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The first slaves in Australia were white - aka "convicts"....
Nice deflection as always.
Doesn't change the fact the PM is either lying or he has no idea about our history of slavery. And in these times you would think he should know.
So which is it? Is he a liar or just plain dumb?
Stating the fact that the first slaves in Australia were white still backs up your assertion he was wrong that we never had slavery, so not sure how that qualities as a "deflection".....
They were convicts not slaves. Or don't you know the difference.
You need to admit the your God of a PM got this one badly wrong.
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He might be your Satan but he ain't my God.... :shh
..and the line between convicts & slaves has often been extremely blurred..anyone who really knew their history would already know that... :shh :shh
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who cares :banghead
lets focus on dans performance as premier and the protestor who has covid now
:lol :lol
I was wondering how long it would take someone to link a selfish COVID protestor to the performance of the any politician in this country.
All pollies (even the PM) told people not to attend and over 100k people didn't listen.... though the reason was on the whole right the timing was deplorable; simply IMHO the protests should not happened in the current environment
And just on Andrew's performance - it has been excellent.
Has he got everything right? Like all the others including the PM; no he hasn't but Victoria is in a good spot. Yes we have new cases every day but when this state is testing to the levels we are compared to other states (double what NSW has been) then you'd expect to see more positive cases than other states.
Not sure how anyone can suggest a safety first approach is a bad thing, the wrong thing? Or does the political party you lead determine it? LNP it's a great thing, Labor and it's a disgrace.... is that how we roll?
Again, not sure how some selfish protester and tests positive COVID is the Premier's fault.... what exactly were he and the cops supposed to do? Fine everyone? How do you manage that? How do you stop 30k+ plus people turning up to a protest, fine them and then move them on?? I'm interested to know
FWIW every state had the same issue; that is a mass protests by people who showed no regard or care about the safety of others in this pandemic
The only difference at the moment is no other state has a had a positive test come through from someone who attended the protest; Victoria has that's the only difference...
Let's just see what happens over the next fortnight across the entire country before we start potting pollies.
The only people who should be held to account if we see a spike in cases are those who protested. Not pollies, not cops, not health officials just those who showed a total lack of respect to community because gues what? ALL LIVES MATTER
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FFS WP surely you got that my post was just a joking reference to the fact that phrase is now considered "racist" by the far-left kommisars.....thought it was pretty bloody obvious... ::)
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FFS WP surely you got that my post was just a joking reference to the fact that phrase is now considered "racist" by the far-left kommisars.....thought it was pretty bloody obvious... ::)
HUH?
I didn't reply to you, have no idea what your on about to be honest
I've been away from the forum since 5.30
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10,000 lunatic protesters Covid was always on the cards. Now there is a real fear of a 2nd wave.
Black lives matter but millions of Victorians were in lockdown for months and now we are at risk again because of selfish people many of whom i reckon have never cared about aboriginal issues but they just jumped onto the next bandwagon.
BLM but it needs government policy to implement
Change not half wits chanting in the streets spreading vovid 19.
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FFS WP surely you got that my post was just a joking reference to the fact that phrase is now considered "racist" by the far-left kommisars.....thought it was pretty bloody obvious... ::)
HUH?
I didn't reply to you, have no idea what your on about to be honest
I've been away from the forum since 5.30
Ok sorry must've been one-eyed that deleted it. :cheers
I quoted the "All Lives Matter" part of your post and called you a racist as a joke....seriously though people have been losing their jobs for saying that...world's gone mad.... :shh
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:thumbsup
Agree the world has gone complete mad
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who cares :banghead
lets focus on dans performance as premier and the protestor who has covid now
:lol :lol
I was wondering how long it would take someone to link a selfish COVID protestor to the performance of the any politician in this country.
All pollies (even the PM) told people not to attend and over 100k people didn't listen.... though the reason was on the whole right the timing was deplorable; simply IMHO the protests should not happened in the current environment
And just on Andrew's performance - it has been excellent.
Has he got everything right? Like all the others including the PM; no he hasn't but Victoria is in a good spot. Yes we have new cases every day but when this state is testing to the levels we are compared to other states (double what NSW has been) then you'd expect to see more positive cases than other states.
Not sure how anyone can suggest a safety first approach is a bad thing, the wrong thing? Or does the political party you lead determine it? LNP it's a great thing, Labor and it's a disgrace.... is that how we roll?
Again, not sure how some selfish protester and tests positive COVID is the Premier's fault.... what exactly were he and the cops supposed to do? Fine everyone? How do you manage that? How do you stop 30k+ plus people turning up to a protest, fine them and then move them on?? I'm interested to know
FWIW every state had the same issue; that is a mass protests by people who showed no regard or care about the safety of others in this pandemic
The only difference at the moment is no other state has a had a positive test come through from someone who attended the protest; Victoria has that's the only difference...
Let's just see what happens over the next fortnight across the entire country before we start potting pollies.
The only people who should be held to account if we see a spike in cases are those who protested. Not pollies, not cops, not health officials just those who showed a total lack of respect to community because gues what? ALL LIVES MATTER
Exactly. Finally a great post by you. All lives matter . You want a way to bring people together that's it. Not this GF rubbish even though he didn't deserve to die.
Just on Andrews he let the momentum build up during the week, and only announced he was against it at 2pm the day before. Rubbish performance and I hope he is held to account. He has had a terrible last month with his China back room deal. Are you happy with that??
Do you have any issue with his China belt deal?
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who cares
lets focus on dans performance as premier and the protestor who has covid now
It goes towards his competence as a PM and his ability to deal withe Black Lives Matter movement.
You have to admit his statement today at best was just plain dumb.
The only thing I will admit is I couldn't give a flying stuff about his comment. Like zero. Nor do I give a stuff about some movement that encourages a bunch of losers roaming the streets spreading their poo and hating on each other.
Hope that clarifies it for you.
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who cares
lets focus on dans performance as premier and the protestor who has covid now
It goes towards his competence as a PM and his ability to deal withe Black Lives Matter movement.
You have to admit his statement today at best was just plain dumb.
The only thing I will admit is I couldn't give a flying stuff about his comment. Like zero. Nor do I give a stuff about some movement that encourages a bunch of losers roaming the streets spreading their poo and hating on each other.
Hope that clarifies it for you.
You don't care that PM Morrison is a complete buffoon.
I bet your attitude would be different if it was Dan Andrews that had made the comments.
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:banghead :banghead :banghead you are like my daughter when she doesnt get her own way.
I think daniel andrews has his own issues with his sweet china deal
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:banghead :banghead :banghead you are like my daughter when she doesnt get her own way.
I think daniel andrews has his own issues with his sweet china deal
No need to get nasty.
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scomo's done it again, just when you thought he couldnt raise the bar well he has :bow :bow
Shouldn’t be a double standard” on the protests and the rest of society: PM
Chief medical officer Brendan Murphy says not possible to make safe the protests planned for tonight and the weekend and the Prime Minister says there “shouldn’t be a double standard” on the protests and the rest of society.
"Despite all the attempts of organisers to try and make them safe, those sort of events where people are crowded together and where you can't, we don't know who is there, are inherently unsafe," Mr Murphy says.
The PM emphasises "Australians have made great sacrifices to get us to where we are today and everyone has had very significant personal issues about which they have great feeling and if they can accommodate that in the actions they are taking and showing the discipline and respecting the restrictions that have been put in place, then so should everybody else.
"There should be no two sets of rules in this country when it comes to this."
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Sorry what has he actually done except once again stand up and say a whole lot of words. He has no decision making powers. The state premiers will as always make their own decisions. Scotty from Marketing is just full of hot air.
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History is your friend in these times.
Really? Pity Scotty from Marketing has NFI about our history as a country.
Now he is claiming that Australia has no history of slavery.
Really what an absolute ignorant prick this happy clapper PM is.
Read the attached article or just google blackbirding.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/scott-morrison-claims-no-slavery-in-australia-sparking-backlash/news-story/c71ef8e6173d82c831d7f826bf8e82a6 (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/scott-morrison-claims-no-slavery-in-australia-sparking-backlash/news-story/c71ef8e6173d82c831d7f826bf8e82a6)
Well Scotty from Marketing has apologised for any hurt his comments might have caused. Then he said he is not getting into the history wars. Trouble is there are no history wars. There is only one history in regard to slavery in Australia. Scotty from Marketing is just not up to leading the country.
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Unfortunately for you TT thats not a view held by an overwhelming majority of Australian voters.
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Unfortunately for you TT thats not a view held by an overwhelming majority of Australian voters.
Yes that scares the hell out of me as well.
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Scotty from Marketing doesn't lie. He has just been reading George Orwell's 1984 and adopted the process of doublethink.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/13/for-scott-morrison-one-protesters-free-expression-is-anothers-dangerous-activity (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/13/for-scott-morrison-one-protesters-free-expression-is-anothers-dangerous-activity)
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1984 & Animal Farm are regarded as instruction manuals by the modern left... :shh
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Leftists vandals vandalised statues of howard and abbott in ballarat. Just because Howard left Austrslia
With a huge cash surplus which was wasted and flushef down the toilet by Labor. Abbott stopped the boats which has protected Australia from terrorists, health disease and on some cases insane findamentalism. Some of these people believe in a moslem takeover of Australia and other nations like Canada. The left are a cancer on our society. Its gone from a Chifley Curtain Whitlamesque left which at least was about improving the lives of Australians to these hacks on the streets protesting about anything. Its rent a crowd these days. The left iin this country is the great unwashed.
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Leftists vandals vandalised statues of howard and abbott in ballarat. Just because Howard left Austrslia
With a huge cash surplus which was wasted and flushef down the toilet by Labor. Abbott stopped the boats which has protected Australia from terrorists, health disease and on some cases insane findamentalism. Some of these people believe in a moslem takeover of Australia and other nations like Canada. The left are a cancer on our society. Its gone from a Chifley Curtain Whitlamesque left which at least was about improving the lives of Australians to these hacks on the streets protesting about anything. Its rent a crowd these days. The left iin this country is the great unwashed.
Loved this. Especially the typo findamentalism.
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Moslem is an old spelling of Muslim and was probably most common way it used to be spelt in the English speaking world right up until relatively recently. Clearly remember seeing it still being spelt that way more often than not when I was younger. :shh
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Thats actually correct Dio.
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A balanced informative look at the decisions Scotty from Marketing has ahead of him.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-14/federal-government-economic-support-unwind-jobkeeper-coronavirus/12350004 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-14/federal-government-economic-support-unwind-jobkeeper-coronavirus/12350004)
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The ABC should be privatised to pay for some of the bludgers who have accessed jobkeeper. Should have been privatused years ago. Full of third rate journalist leftys who are basically nithing more than a labor part cheer squad. Just disgraceful biased journalism of no value.
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TT i dont know you but you are sounding like a bitter old fool, filled with hatred and rage if im being honest. Are you one of the guys ripping down the statues?
We get it you hate SCOMO but FFS can you raise any other points to the political discussion, e.g the protestors ripping down statues, or the china belt deal or are you going to blame scomo and his team for that too.
I actually miss 65, because next to you he actually had a clue and was balanced at times.
Either contribute in other areas, other than constantly tell us why you hate Scomo or just STFU. Capisce?
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TT i dont know you but you are sounding like a bitter old fool, filled with hatred and rage if im being honest. Are you one of the guys ripping down the statues?
We get it you hate SCOMO but FFS can you raise any other points to the political discussion, e.g the protestors ripping down statues, or the china belt deal or are you going to blame scomo and his team for that too.
I actually miss 65, because next to you he actually had a clue and was balanced at times.
Either contribute in other areas, other than constantly tell us why you hate Scomo or just STFU. Capisce?
Busy at the moment. But will complete my homework overnight, maybe.
Are you a teacher, sure sound like one.
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Well Well Well
60 minutes just dropped bomb after bomb on the victorian ALP.
Time to get the popcorn.
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And time for a Royal Commission into the ALP in Victoria.
Cant wait to see the response from TT.
Its fun watching Labor destroy itself.
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:bow :bow
What a party! Ooh Dan is doing a great job. Well of course he is when his beloved party is a bunch of cheats
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And time for a Royal Commission into the ALP in Victoria.
Cant wait to see the response from TT.
Its fun watching Labor destroy itself.
il reply on his behalf
"Scotty from Marketing is up to his old tricks again. Standing on someones lawn. I mean how pathetic can our Prime Minister be"
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who cares :banghead
lets focus on dans performance as premier and the protestor who has covid now
:lol :lol
And just on Andrew's performance - it has been excellent.
you still think his performance has been excellent WP? to refresh your memory this is the bloke who Dan the man let back in to his own party :shh
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
https://www.crikey.com.au/2018/11/29/adem-somyurek-cabinet/?fbclid=IwAR2s3Hj15NbhLu86YUej3bp25JcygZXX5Kh4XoRBR_vexyr5ZUpHXxbSrJ4
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And time for a Royal Commission into the ALP in Victoria.
Cant wait to see the response from TT.
Its fun watching Labor destroy itself.
God this is boring. Why assume IGAF about the Labor party (Federal or State)?
I am anti Scotty from Marketing but that doesn't mean I am staunch Labor.
And why am I anti Scotty from Marketing? If you had actualy read my posts you would know.
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Are you happy that a Turkish Taxi Driver is in charge of the ALP government lol.
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you still think his performance has been excellent WP? to refresh your memory this is the bloke who Dan the man let back in to his own party :shh
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
https://www.crikey.com.au/2018/11/29/adem-somyurek-cabinet/?fbclid=IwAR2s3Hj15NbhLu86YUej3bp25JcygZXX5Kh4XoRBR_vexyr5ZUpHXxbSrJ4
Another nice bait there Frankie...
Now another great selective post by you twisting a comment on one topic to another the topic to suit your purpose
My comment about the Dan Andrews doing a good job was about the COVID19 pandemic. Was that not what we were talking about? So on the matter of COVID, yes I stand by my comment he is doing a good job.
Just like ScoMo is doing a good job around managing ferderally though this pandemic
Now onto the 60 mins story last night about the branch stacking.
Somyurek should immediately be sacked, failure to do so is failure of leadership. It is totally unaccpetable and in no way can be condoned... he should never been allowed back in the party let alone parliament
Simply Andrews should sack him this morning, the party should boot him and those who a party to this (Marlene whatever her name is) put as well. And of story
But.... If I recall correctly when the current govts sports rort saga came to light you yourself dismissed it and said all parties do it and then dragged up an ALP scandal from 3 decades earlier to make you point. Further, for memory (and correct me of I'm wrong) you basically said what had happened was acceptable, nothing to see here.
Can I respectfully suggest that you apply th he same standards to all political parties not just the one's you dont0 like, respect or deem irrelevant. You can't have it both ways. You can't sledge hammer one and turn a blind eye to another
Beach stacking is a rort and unacceptable. The sports grants saga is also a rort and is just as bad and should be called out as such and those responsible for it sacked or they should resign
Again respectfuly, whack one side and condoning the other is hypocritical
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you still think his performance has been excellent WP? to refresh your memory this is the bloke who Dan the man let back in to his own party :shh
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
https://www.crikey.com.au/2018/11/29/adem-somyurek-cabinet/?fbclid=IwAR2s3Hj15NbhLu86YUej3bp25JcygZXX5Kh4XoRBR_vexyr5ZUpHXxbSrJ4
Another nice bait there Frankie...
Now another great selective post by you twisting a comment on one topic to another the topic to suit your purpose
My comment about the Dan Andrews doing a good job was about the COVID19 pandemic. Was that not what we were talking about? So on the matter of COVID, yes I stand by my comment he is doing a good job.
Just like ScoMo is doing a good job around managing ferderally though this pandemic
Now onto the 60 mins story last night about the branch stacking.
Somyurek should immediately be sacked, failure to do so is failure of leadership. It is totally unaccpetable and in no way can be condoned... he should never been allowed back in the party let alone parliament
Simply Andrews should sack him this morning, the party should boot him and those who a party to this (Marlene whatever her name is) put as well. And of story
But.... If I recall correctly when the current govts sports rort saga came to light you yourself dismissed it and said all parties do it and then dragged up an ALP scandal from 3 decades earlier to make you point. Further, for memory (and correct me of I'm wrong) you basically said what had happened was acceptable, nothing to see here.
Can I respectfully suggest that you apply th he same standards to all political parties not just the one's you dont0 like, respect or deem irrelevant. You can't have it both ways. You can't sledge hammer one and turn a blind eye to another
Beach stacking is a rort and unacceptable. The sports grants saga is also a rort and is just as bad and should be called out as such and those responsible for it sacked or they should resign
Again respectfuly, whack one side and condoning the other is hypocritical
aarg yes when it suits you then lets drum up the other side. Lets head back to the bushfire fiasco shall well. I recall you refuse to acknowledge who was in charge of Black Saturday, that but went to town on a guy who made the wrong choice to go to hawaii for a few days, and has no real bearing on state issues. You have a history of picking only one side, lets be honest.
Rorting lying stealing its all bad, no matter who is involved and a royal commission into the Victorian Libs will bring more of their lies.
There is only only Premier who said this.
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
can we get your views on that now?
The Victoria Liberals are a mess and the fish rots at the top. He needs to come out today and sack all those involved for a start then look himself in the mirror
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No doubt Scotty from Marketing will be happy to have the spotlight off his own stuff-ups.
The Labor party will get its act together fairly quickly.
The federal and state elections are still 2 years away.
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aarg yes when it suits you then lets drum up the other side. Lets head back to the bushfire fiasco shall well. I recall you refuse to acknowledge who was in charge of Black Saturday, that but went to town on a guy who made the wrong choice to go to hawaii for a few days, and has no real bearing on state issues. You have a history of picking only one side, lets be honest.
Rorting lying stealing its all bad, no matter who is involved and a royal commission into the Victorian Libs will bring more of their lies.
There is only only Premier who said this.
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
can we get your views on that now?
The Victoria Liberals are a mess and the fish rots at the top. He needs to come out today and sack all those involved for a start then look himself in the mirror
I'm confused did you mean to say "Liberals"?
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Are you happy that a Turkish Taxi Driver is in charge of the ALP government lol.
Any response TT
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Are you happy that a Turkish Taxi Driver is in charge of the ALP government lol.
Any response TT
To quote Scotty from Marketing. I don't accept the premise of your question.
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The left is in crisis this morning. And whilst the left is in crisis Scotty from marketing is announcing major projects across the nation aimed at creating 60,000-70,000 new jobs.
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The left is in crisis this morning. And whilst the left is in crisis Scotty from marketing is announcing major projects across the nation aimed at creating 60,000-70,000 new jobs.
How many jobs and over how many years. And how many of the projects will go to overseas companies?
Sounds like another stuff up to me.
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Trump should take a leaf out of Dan Andrews book.
When you have a press conference you answer every question.
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Trump should take a leaf out of Dan Andrews book.
When you have a press conference you answer every question with a lie
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Are you happy that a Turkish Taxi Driver is in charge of the ALP government lol.
Any response TT
why bother you wont get anything back of value. Bring 65 back i say.
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Are you happy that a Turkish Taxi Driver is in charge of the ALP government lol.
Any response TT
why bother you wont get anything back of value. Bring 65 back i say.
I did respond. Just didn't give an answer you wanted.
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Trump should take a leaf out of Dan Andrews book.
When you have a press conference you answer every question with a lie
What a stupid thing to say. Honestly you far right idiots are beyond the pale sometimes.
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Are you happy that a Turkish Taxi Driver is in charge of the ALP government lol.
Any response TT
why bother you wont get anything back of value. Bring 65 back i say.
65 went mad so we had to shoot him.
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Thats a serious criminal matter. You should be investigated by the cops.
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Thats a serious criminal matter. You should be investigated by the cops.
Nah 65 was the pet cockatoo. Bloody thing never shut up so we are better off without him.
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Thats a serious criminal matter. You should be investigated by the cops.
Whatever happened to 10 flags?
He was a reasoned poster back in the day.
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aarg yes when it suits you then lets drum up the other side. Lets head back to the bushfire fiasco shall well. I recall you refuse to acknowledge who was in charge of Black Saturday, that but went to town on a guy who made the wrong choice to go to hawaii for a few days, and has no real bearing on state issues. You have a history of picking only one side, lets be honest.
Sorry Frankie you and I both know when I was talking about the job Andrews was doing I was talking about the pandemic
The only reason I bough up the "other side" as you call it is because that is exactly you did over the ScoMo and sports grant rort
Now again you bring up (again) something else to divert away from the current discussion but I will none the less indulge you
Back Saturday - Brumbie was premier not Andrews. A royal commission has proved that although the response to the fires was acceptable (I don't totally agree with that BTW) the events and practices that led to state being in the condition it was that basically meant the state was catastrophe in waiting (like the majority of Aust I might add) is clear in it's findings. The govts of the day stuffed up - that's governments at all levels
Clear enough?
ScoMo deserves every whack that comes his way for not being here last Nov/Dec. What you don't wish to acknowledge is his office lied about it, that is the worst part of it... and ScoMo allowed it
Rorting lying stealing its all bad, no matter who is involved and a royal commission into the Victorian Libs will bring more of their lies.
You seem to have changed your tune just a tad about rorting??? You were not this outraged when the Sports Grant rorting came to light
And to be honest i have no idea what you are talking about "a royal commission into the Victorian Libs will bring more of their lies"???
There is only only Premier who said this.
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
can we get your views on that now?
The Victoria Liberals are a mess and the fish rots at the top. He needs to come out today and sack all those involved for a start then look himself in the mirror
I think you mean Victorian Labor although you are correct the Victorian Libs are in a mess :snidegrin. Abolsute joke of a party
I don't need to give my views because ....
And guess what he did, Sacked him and he has been kicked out of the Labor party... 9am this morning
As for the language used by the charming ex Minister - don't think I need to make any comment.... though I did have chuckle as some of the homophobic and sexist comments made on this forum over the years have been just as bad
He has been referred to IBAC & the Vic Police. IBAC is an independant body so let's just see what happens next.
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Thats a serious criminal matter. You should be investigated by the cops.
Nah 65 was the pet cockatoo. Bloody thing never shut up so we are better off without him.
So you shot the poor bastard and here I was thinking you were animal loving hippie of the left. Youve disappointed me now. Cockatoo are great birds. Maybe you should get another one and teach him the theme song song.
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Trump should take a leaf out of Dan Andrews book.
When you have a press conference you answer every question with a lie
I take it you listened to the presser then?
I would expect nothing else from you but saying the Premier was lying; that's your choice
But I think you are missing the key point here
That presser went for over an hour.
He answered every single question ...
He didn't shut down the presser...
Point is this...if ScoMo doesn't like the line of questioning on any topic (eg Sports grant rort saga) he shuts the presser down and walks off. He refuses to answer... especially when he actually gets caught out lying like he has been with this sports rort affair (and that's not my opinion that's coming from numerous media outlets)
Now whether you believe the answer the fact remains the presser wasn't shutdown
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Thats a serious criminal matter. You should be investigated by the cops.
Whatever happened to 10 flags?
He was a reasoned poster back in the day.
That was 2 flags ago my friend now we are on a somyurek power trip, its just about the power now. Machiavelli style.
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Thats a serious criminal matter. You should be investigated by the cops.
Whatever happened to 10 flags?
He was a reasoned poster back in the day.
That was 2 flags ago my friend now we are on a somyurek power trip, its just about the power now. Machiavelli style.
I studied Machiavelli's book "The Prince" at University. Great memories.
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The Prince was indeed a great book. Had it for VCE English. Great memories indeed.
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The Prince was indeed a great book. Had it for VCE English. Great memories indeed.
VCE English. I don't think so. Not unless your teacher hated you.
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Yep 100% true
We had to study 3 books that year
The Prince
1984
And one other that Ive forgotten
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What school or what sort of school if I may ask?
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De La Salle Malvern
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In light of this damning revelations on our great premier and his team, i'm curious why One Eyed hasnt posted one single article on the matter.
:shh :shh i smell a bit of bias here.
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This is 1000 times worse than sports rorts. At least the libs were creating sports facilities for people. The Labor rubbish is just about them for them with no benefits to anyone else.
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Third Victorian minister quits
COVID-19 is being overshadowed in Victoria as a third Andrews government minister quits over a growing branch stacking scandal.
Consumer Affairs Minister Marlene Kairouz said she had quit cabinet on Tuesday, a day after minister Adem Somyurek was sacked and Assistant Treasurer Robin Scott resigned.
"I no longer want these matters to be a distraction to the government. They have placed en ormous pressure on my family and caused them great distress," she said.
Mr Somyurek was revealed to have denegrated colleagues and government staffers in an investigation by The Age and 60 Minutes. He denies branch stacking allegations but has also quit the Labor Party.
https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/wall-st-slumps-on-new-virus-wave-fears-20200616-p552w7
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This is 1000 times worse than sports rorts. At least the libs were creating sports facilities for people. The Labor rubbish is just about them for them with no benefits to anyone else.
100% which explains why there are no articles being posted by one eyed. MT gone missing too.
Now that the rhetoric from these bunch of left wing fools has changed to "they all do it, and they are all dishonest" Do guys like trump and scomo get afforded the same luxury for their issues when compared to previous governments, or do we still view people like the Clintons and B Shorton as such honorable people. :lol :lol
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This thread is awesome
Just keeps on giving
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I condemn them all when they do it.
Personally I like Andrews for VIC and hope he isn't involved/survives but it's not good for the party's chances.
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In light of this damning revelations on our great premier and his team, i'm curious why One Eyed hasnt posted one single article on the matter.
:shh :shh i smell a bit of bias here.
Why would I post info that has already been posted well before the time I log on here :huh3. I wasn't around until nearly 4pm yesterday and I've just logged on in the last 30 mins today. I'll make sure next time though I tell my dentist to keep a radio on the news and stop the procedure so I can post or I even tell my Aunty who is telling me the latest about my Uncle who has been told he has 6-12 months to live due to cancer to not call me so I can keep you instantly informed 24/7 on here. But hey you keep thinking "bias" ::).
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Finally we heard from someone. Thank you K Rudd. now they want to get Bracks in to head the review. Classic ALP just a bunch of crooks
https://www.afr.com/politics/third-victorian-minister-out-over-labor-branch-stacking-20200616-p55308
You could be number four': Labor in chaos
The Andrews Labor government in Victoria is facing an existential crisis over allegations of industrial-scale branch stacking, after a third minister was forced to resign and the Premier referred the matter to police.
Opposition Leader Michael O'Brien used the resumption of State Parliament on Tuesday to target Mental Health Minister Martin Foley, warning "you could be number four".
Mr O'Brien is calling for a broad independent inquiry, warning that former Victorian Labor Premier and chairman of Maurice Blackburn Steve Bracks – tipped to lead a review – is "hopelessly conflicted".
Marlene Kairouz with Premier Daniel Andrews in 2018. AAP
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews defended the attacks by referring the allegations to Victoria Police and corruption watchdog IBAC, as two plain clothed officials attended dumped powerbroker Adem Somyurek's house on Tuesday.
Former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd called Labor's unelected factions the "core element of the cancer", despite Federal Labor leader Anthony Albanese seeking to play down any federal connection.
"When you have unelected factions who exercise closet power, covert power, secret power within the political parties, then it gives rise to these sorts of behaviours," Mr Rudd warned.
Minister for Consumer Affairs, Gaming and Liquor Regulation, Marlene Kairouz became the third minister to stand down in the space of 24 hours, after secret recordings revealed by The Age and 60 Minutes showed she encouraged staff to work on branch-stacking activities with Mr Somyurek, who was sacked on Monday morning.
"This morning I notified the Premier that I will stand aside from my ministerial responsibilities and notified the Governor of the resignation of my commission," she said in a statement.
Investigators outside the house of Adem Somyurek in Melbourne. AAP
"I no longer want these matters to be a distraction to the government. They have placed enormous pressure on my family and caused them great distress. I look forward to the opportunity to clear my name and am confident any investigative process will do so," she said.
However, Ms Kairouz is refusing to stand down as an MP.
"I note that these matters do not relate to any allegations of criminality or corruption. I will continue to serve my electorate of Kororoit, which remains the greatest honour of my life."
Victorian assistant treasurer and Minister for Veterans Robin Scott, a factional ally of Mr Somyurek, also quit the cabinet on Monday afternoon following the allegations but will also continue to serve as the MP for Preston while investigations by police and IBAC take their course.
It is alleged that Mr Somyurek used political advisers to stack party branches with fake ALP members to amass power within the Andrews state government.
It also alleged that he handed over thousands of dollars in secret cash drop-offs in an attempt to amass power, based on recordings of phone calls between him and a senior adviser.
Adam Somyurek leaves his home in Lynbrook on Monday morning.
Second Victorian minister quits amid corruption allegations
The Opposition used Parliament on Tuesday to quiz Mr Foley about the conduct of his ministerial staff, singling out Mr Foley's chief of staff, Matt Hilakari.
Former premier Steve Bracks and former federal minister Jenny Macklin are tipped to lead a review by Labor's national executive and Mr Albanese.
The Victorian MP and ALP factional powerbroker is facing allegations of branch stacking and illegal conduct.
However the state Opposition used the resumption of State Parliament to apply pressure for more resignations and undermine the proposed review.
"Steve Bracks is personally connected with many current senior figures of the ALP which makes it impossible for him to be objective in any review," shadow attorney general Edward O'Donoghue said.
"Further, as chairman of Maurice Blackburn he is hopelessly conflicted," he said.
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In light of this damning revelations on our great premier and his team, i'm curious why One Eyed hasnt posted one single article on the matter.
:shh :shh i smell a bit of bias here.
Why would I post info that has already been posted well before the time I log on here :huh3. I wasn't around until nearly 4pm yesterday and I've just logged on in the last 30 mins today. I'll make sure next time though I tell my dentist to keep a radio on the news and stop the procedure so I can post or I even tell my Aunty who is telling me the latest about my Uncle who has been told he has 6-12 months to live due to cancer to not call me so I can keep you instantly informed 24/7 on here. But hey you keep thinking "bias" ::).
fair enough, apologies
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"One of the questions I get when I travel round Australia is 'how come no one from the banks has gone to jail?'", he told reporters in Melbourne on Tuesday.
"When you see this all theft, when you see the systemic looting of Australian consumers.
"If you steal from a bank, you go to jail, but if a bank steals from you, they get a promotion and a bonus and a big car."
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5678963/why-have-bank-execs-avoided-jail-shorten/
This hasnt aged well for the great man Billy Shorten.
Where was the outcry here and the "they all do it" I wonder if the same applies here, which it should, for his great party mates or doesn't it count? :shh
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"One of the questions I get when I travel round Australia is 'how come no one from the banks has gone to jail?'", he told reporters in Melbourne on Tuesday.
"When you see this all theft, when you see the systemic looting of Australian consumers.
"If you steal from a bank, you go to jail, but if a bank steals from you, they get a promotion and a bonus and a big car."
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5678963/why-have-bank-execs-avoided-jail-shorten/
This hasnt aged well for the great man Billy Shorten.
Where was the outcry here and the "they all do it" I wonder if the same applies here, which it should, for his great party mates or doesn't it count? :shh
Take it you haven't heard Shortens comments from this morning then?
This is 1000 times worse than sports rorts. At least the libs were creating sports facilities for people. The Labor rubbish is just about them for them with no benefits to anyone else.
So now we are going to rank corruption? And if we think it isn't too bad, we ignore it?
No thanks
Doesn't matter the scale anyone involved in it, from any party should be booted. End of story
On this there should only be one set of rules.
Rules that apply to every single pollie from the PM (basically lying about the sports rorts even though it's been proven he knew about it), to state premiers, to back benchers, to the the no name independent sitting in the senate
You can't pick and choose when you enforce the rules.
We might end up with no one in parliament but when you look at what we've got at the moment (again both sides) that might not be such a bad thing
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This is 1000 times worse than sports rorts. At least the libs were creating sports facilities for people. The Labor rubbish is just about them for them with no benefits to anyone else.
Interesting comparison. The Labor party have acted swiftly to acknowledge the problem and to fix it.
What did the Libs to in regard to the Sports rorts? They went into denial and covered it up the best they could.
Ever wonder why the Libs don't want a Federal Corruption Commission with teeth? They know they would be in trouble.
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How many more ALP ministers were involved here. I reckon there is more to come and more who will lose their jobs. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
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How many more ALP ministers were involved here. I reckon there is more to come and more who will lose their jobs. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
Be honest you are just being hopeful.
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How many more ALP ministers were involved here. I reckon there is more to come and more who will lose their jobs. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
Spot on the money Ramps, much much more to come here :shh
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The state election is 2 years away. What do you think the public will remember. A corrupt handful of politicians no longer in politics or Dan Andrews role in cleaning up the party?
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How many more ALP ministers were involved here. I reckon there is more to come and more who will lose their jobs. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
Be honest you are just being hopeful.
I know how Labor and its factions work. Its the tip of the iceberg.
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How many more ALP ministers were involved here. I reckon there is more to come and more who will lose their jobs. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
Be honest you are just being hopeful.
I know how Labor and its factions work. Its the tip of the iceberg.
More wishful thinking. It must really annoy you that the Labor party has moved so swiftly. This will, well before the next election, become a non issue.
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How many more ALP ministers were involved here. I reckon there is more to come and more who will lose their jobs. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
Be honest you are just being hopeful.
I know how Labor and its factions work. Its the tip of the iceberg.
More wishful thinking. It must really annoy you that the Labor party has moved so swiftly. This will, well before the next election, become a non issue.
I think so too. And Andrews will likely be re-elected since he's doing a good job!
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I blame scomo for this rorting, alp stealing. Ooh wait sorry wrong guy doesnt count.
Watching these scum bags get what they deserve has been magnificent.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/06/15/christain-porter-mandatory-minimum-sentences/
what a bunch of left wing suckers this party has become
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How many more ALP ministers were involved here. I reckon there is more to come and more who will lose their jobs. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
Be honest you are just being hopeful.
I know how Labor and its factions work. Its the tip of the iceberg.
Damage is done. Plenty, of which i have spoken to a few, will never vote for them again. Its great to see the carnage from these bunch of thieving pricks.
why would you vote for a party who fights for pedophiles rights? :shh
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Scotty from Marketing's nerve may be fraying.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/with-economic-recovery-far-from-assured-the-pm-s-nerve-may-be-fraying-20200616-p5530s.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/with-economic-recovery-far-from-assured-the-pm-s-nerve-may-be-fraying-20200616-p5530s.html)
''Looking back, Scott Morrison's response to the coronavirus has been masterful on the medical side and, on the economic side, his willingness to spend money cushioning the job-threatening consequences of the lockdown was unstinting. But (and there had to be a but) with the economy's recovery far from assured I fear his nerve may be cracking."
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dan the dictator is getting desperate now. No where to turn but to pick fights. :birthday
Daniel Andrews' border comments labelled 'desperate distraction'
South Australian senator Simon Birmingham has put a rather serious spin on a spat over his state's decision to keep its borders with Victoria and NSW closed.
"I think [Daniel Andrews' comments are] a desperate distraction from the endemic corruption occurring in the Victorian branch of the Australian Labor Party," he told the National Press Club.
"And that Daniel Andrews, rather than going out and seeking to try to get one of those great headline-grabbing distractions of state-versus-state rivalry, should have much bigger issues to deal with."
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/wall-st-heads-for-third-straight-gain-20200617-p553a9?utm_content=TODAYS_TOP_5&list_name=2F6E16F3-E586-4778-AFFF-33811F208B65&promote_channel=edmail&utm_campaign=market-wrap&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=2020-06-17&mbnr=MjI4Mzg5MTk&instance=2020-06-17-17-03-AEST&et_cid=29245856&et_rid=424316&Channel=Email&EmailTypeCode=&LinkName=https%3a%2f%2fwww.afr.com%2fpolitics%2ffederal%2fwall-st-heads-for-third-straight-gain-20200617-p553a9%3futm_content%3dTODAYS_TOP_5%26amp%3blist_name%3d2F6E16F3-E586-4778-AFFF-33811F208B65%26promote_channel%3dedmail%26utm_campaign%3dmarket-wrap%26utm_medium%3demail%26utm_source%3dnewsletter%26utm_term%3d2020-06-17%26amp%3bmbnr%3d%25%25%3dReplace(Base64Encode(subscription_id)%2c%27%3d%27%2c%27%27)%3d%25%25%26amp%3bins
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Damage is done. Plenty, of which i have spoken to a few, will never vote for them again. Its great to see the carnage from these bunch of thieving pricks.
Carnage, what carnage?
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dan the dictator is getting desperate now. No where to turn but to pick fights
Daniel Andrews' border comments labelled 'desperate distraction'
South Australian senator Simon Birmingham has put a rather serious spin on a spat over his state's decision to keep its borders with Victoria and NSW closed.
"I think [Daniel Andrews' comments are] a desperate distraction from the endemic corruption occurring in the Victorian branch of the Australian Labor Party," he told the National Press Club.
"And that Daniel Andrews, rather than going out and seeking to try to get one of those great headline-grabbing distractions of state-versus-state rivalry, should have much bigger issues to deal with."
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/wall-st-heads-for-third-straight-gain-20200617-p553a9?utm_content=TODAYS_TOP_5&list_name=2F6E16F3-E586-4778-AFFF-33811F208B65&promote_channel=edmail&utm_campaign=market-wrap&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=2020-06-17&mbnr=MjI4Mzg5MTk&instance=2020-06-17-17-03-AEST&et_cid=29245856&et_rid=424316&Channel=Email&EmailTypeCode=&LinkName=https%3a%2f%2fwww.afr.com%2fpolitics%2ffederal%2fwall-st-heads-for-third-straight-gain-20200617-p553a9%3futm_content%3dTODAYS_TOP_5%26amp%3blist_name%3d2F6E16F3-E586-4778-AFFF-33811F208B65%26promote_channel%3dedmail%26utm_campaign%3dmarket-wrap%26utm_medium%3demail%26utm_source%3dnewsletter%26utm_term%3d2020-06-17%26amp%3bmbnr%3d%25%25%3dReplace(Base64Encode(subscription_id)%2c%27%3d%27%2c%27%27)%3d%25%25%26amp%3bins (https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/wall-st-heads-for-third-straight-gain-20200617-p553a9?utm_content=TODAYS_TOP_5&list_name=2F6E16F3-E586-4778-AFFF-33811F208B65&promote_channel=edmail&utm_campaign=market-wrap&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=2020-06-17&mbnr=MjI4Mzg5MTk&instance=2020-06-17-17-03-AEST&et_cid=29245856&et_rid=424316&Channel=Email&EmailTypeCode=&LinkName=https%3a%2f%2fwww.afr.com%2fpolitics%2ffederal%2fwall-st-heads-for-third-straight-gain-20200617-p553a9%3futm_content%3dTODAYS_TOP_5%26amp%3blist_name%3d2F6E16F3-E586-4778-AFFF-33811F208B65%26promote_channel%3dedmail%26utm_campaign%3dmarket-wrap%26utm_medium%3demail%26utm_source%3dnewsletter%26utm_term%3d2020-06-17%26amp%3bmbnr%3d%25%25%3dReplace(Base64Encode(subscription_id)%2c%27%3d%27%2c%27%27)%3d%25%25%26amp%3bins)
You are kidding?
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aarg yes when it suits you then lets drum up the other side. Lets head back to the bushfire fiasco shall well. I recall you refuse to acknowledge who was in charge of Black Saturday, that but went to town on a guy who made the wrong choice to go to hawaii for a few days, and has no real bearing on state issues. You have a history of picking only one side, lets be honest.
Sorry Frankie you and I both know when I was talking about the job Andrews was doing I was talking about the pandemic
The only reason I bough up the "other side" as you call it is because that is exactly you did over the ScoMo and sports grant rort
Now again you bring up (again) something else to divert away from the current discussion but I will none the less indulge you
Back Saturday - Brumbie was premier not Andrews. A royal commission has proved that although the response to the fires was acceptable (I don't totally agree with that BTW) the events and practices that led to state being in the condition it was that basically meant the state was catastrophe in waiting (like the majority of Aust I might add) is clear in it's findings. The govts of the day stuffed up - that's governments at all levels
Clear enough?
ScoMo deserves every whack that comes his way for not being here last Nov/Dec. What you don't wish to acknowledge is his office lied about it, that is the worst part of it... and ScoMo allowed it
Rorting lying stealing its all bad, no matter who is involved and a royal commission into the Victorian Libs will bring more of their lies.
You seem to have changed your tune just a tad about rorting??? You were not this outraged when the Sports Grant rorting came to light
And to be honest i have no idea what you are talking about "a royal commission into the Victorian Libs will bring more of their lies"???
There is only only Premier who said this.
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
can we get your views on that now?
The Victoria Liberals are a mess and the fish rots at the top. He needs to come out today and sack all those involved for a start then look himself in the mirror
I think you mean Victorian Labor although you are correct the Victorian Libs are in a mess :snidegrin. Abolsute joke of a party
I don't need to give my views because ....
And guess what he did, Sacked him and he has been kicked out of the Labor party... 9am this morning
As for the language used by the charming ex Minister - don't think I need to make any comment.... though I did have chuckle as some of the homophobic and sexist comments made on this forum over the years have been just as bad
He has been referred to IBAC & the Vic Police. IBAC is an independant body so let's just see what happens next.
I know who was premier back then and i knew it wasnt brumby. I have brought this up before with you, earlier this year. When it happened this year ai went back and searched, and oddly enough oddly any brumby bashing back then :shh :shh more deaths, more warnings, and yet not much content.
IIRC you said a few months back Scomo was worse than Abbott or just about as bad. So what are your thoughts on Daniel Andrews? This should be great to hear, because i can assure you if it was the other way caught red handed, you would be sending Scomo or anyone from the libs to the Guantanamo bay.
This is Dan the man in 2018, knowing full well about his old mate Somyurek's conduct earlier. But yeah he sacked him straight away this time only after he gave him a second go. hahaha
There is only only Premier who said this.
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
can we get your views on that now?
many articles written about the perve in 2015, yet ignored by Dan. I wonder if he knew he was forging signatures and every please other illegal activity you can think of. :shh
So the question i'm asking you is what do you think of Daniel Andrews and his team now? Just an honest question.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-23/victorian-minister-adem-somyurek-stood-down-alleged-bullying/6492286
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/two-victorian-labor-mps-in-robost-altercation-at-parliament-cafe/9473434
yeah na all good nothing to see here, they are all great ethical and upstanding people.
what a party :lol :lol
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How many more ALP ministers were involved here. I reckon there is more to come and more who will lose their jobs. Its just the tip of the iceberg.
Be honest you are just being hopeful.
I know how Labor and its factions work. Its the tip of the iceberg.
we hope but at the end of the day im happy they are shown up as a bunch of corrupt pricks, which is a great thing. The democrats of australian politics defending against pedo mandatory sentencing. What a great lot they truly are.
The bigger picture is albo is once again in no mans land.
Bloke can hardly string 2 words together and whats he going to do now.
Scomo is streets ahead, and rightly so. Made of steel that bloke.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/06/07/pm-scott-morrison-maintains-his-high-approval-ratings/
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After all the crap spoken on this forum about the Victorian government and China's Belt and Road program.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-could-partner-with-china-on-belt-and-road-initiative-projects-20200617-p553j9.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-could-partner-with-china-on-belt-and-road-initiative-projects-20200617-p553j9.html)
"Trade Minister Simon Birmingham has left the door open to Australia partnering with China on infrastructure projects in other countries under an agreement it signed with Beijing covering the controversial Belt and Road Initiative."
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"considering" and "existing". Perhaps you need to look those 2 words up.
Fake news
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"considering" and "existing". Perhaps you need to look those 2 words up.
Fake news
More deflection.
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The Labor party has acted decisively to begin the clean up of the Victorian branch of the party.
I wonder whether the Liberal party will do the same with the Queensland LNP.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-18/lnp-president-dave-hutchinson-peter-dutton/12368470 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-18/lnp-president-dave-hutchinson-peter-dutton/12368470)
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"One of the questions I get when I travel round Australia is 'how come no one from the banks has gone to jail?'", he told reporters in Melbourne on Tuesday.
"When you see this all theft, when you see the systemic looting of Australian consumers.
"If you steal from a bank, you go to jail, but if a bank steals from you, they get a promotion and a bonus and a big car."
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5678963/why-have-bank-execs-avoided-jail-shorten/
This hasnt aged well for the great man Billy Shorten.
Where was the outcry here and the "they all do it" I wonder if the same applies here, which it should, for his great party mates or doesn't it count? :shh
Take it you haven't heard Shortens comments from this morning then?
was that the other day WP when he said he didnt want to tarnish everyone with the same brush, yet said he felt sorry for Dan Andrews. :lol The guy has nothing to say that would interest me as he is a complete hypocrite.I haven't heard anything like the language he used for all the so called scum in the banking sector. Is it not the same thing, or is it different when your mates are caught red handed doing the forging, abuse, stealing and corruption.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/bankers-should-see-charges-jail-shorten
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After all the crap spoken on this forum about the Victorian government and China's Belt and Road program.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-could-partner-with-china-on-belt-and-road-initiative-projects-20200617-p553j9.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-could-partner-with-china-on-belt-and-road-initiative-projects-20200617-p553j9.html)
"Trade Minister Simon Birmingham has left the door open to Australia partnering with China on infrastructure projects in other countries under an agreement it signed with Beijing covering the controversial Belt and Road Initiative."
hahaha now he changes what he originally posts. I don't know you personally but gee wiz you sound like a complete flog.
Lucky for you i have a sound memory unlike you Biden, and if i recall you said "Liberals just signed an agreement under the China belt deal" :shh
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After all the crap spoken on this forum about the Victorian government and China's Belt and Road program.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-could-partner-with-china-on-belt-and-road-initiative-projects-20200617-p553j9.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-could-partner-with-china-on-belt-and-road-initiative-projects-20200617-p553j9.html)
"Trade Minister Simon Birmingham has left the door open to Australia partnering with China on infrastructure projects in other countries under an agreement it signed with Beijing covering the controversial Belt and Road Initiative."
hahaha now he changes what he originally posts. I don't know you personally but gee wiz you sound like a complete flog.
Lucky for you i have a sound memory unlike you Biden, and if i recall you said "Liberals just signed an agreement under the China belt deal"
Sorry in future i will acknowledge your corrections.
But it doesn't change the fact that the Federal government is on much the same track as the Victorian government.
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much better response TT
time will tell if you are right. Fair chance after this attack, there wont and shouldnt be many deals done by both levels of parliament if they are involved.
No power should be given to China, regardless of there involvement. They are a disgrace
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much better response TT
This comment puts you as either a teacher or a priest. Am I right?
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Not sure what I think of this change to the cost of university courses.
Although the attack on Humanities shouldn't surprise coming from a PM who knows stuff all about History. (No slavery in Australia - Scott Morrison)
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cost-of-priority-degrees-to-be-slashed-some-fees-to-soar-in-funding-overhaul-20200618-p553t5.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cost-of-priority-degrees-to-be-slashed-some-fees-to-soar-in-funding-overhaul-20200618-p553t5.html)
Fees for university courses in health, teaching and science will be cut while the cost of popular humanities, law and commerce degrees will soar under sweeping changes to higher education funding aimed at producing graduates for high-priority employment areas.
The cost of humanities and communications courses will more than double, with a year of full-time study costing $14,500, up from $6684 this year.
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Humanities & social studies should be cut altogether...useless Marxist crap for useless people...mainly rich white kids who do them anyway so it's not like they can't afford it... :shh
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much better response TT
This comment puts you as either a teacher or a priest. Am I right?
HAHAHAHA Well i have been a teacher recently as all dads have, and i dont like priests since they used to hit me on the hand at high school. They disliked me which in hindsight was a great thing. :shh
Bit of dry humour from TT, now your sounding a bit like 65.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/07/daniel-andrews-rejects-calls-for-victoria-to-go-into-caretaker-mode-amid-election-rort-claims
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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-scandal-spreads-to-nsw-20200619-p554a4
Labor scandal spreads as NSW MP quits
Patrick Durkin, David Marin-Guzman and Tom McIlroy
Jun 19, 2020 – 4.17pm
More Labor scalps are set to fall after Victoria's industrial branch-stacking scandal spread to NSW, with Labor MP Julia Finn quitting the NSW shadow cabinet on Friday.
Federal Labor deputy leader Richard Marles called it a "horror week" for Labor but rallied behind under-siege fellow MP Anthony Byrne despite speculation the party could still cut Mr Byrne loose after the Eden-Monaro byelection.
The fallout from the scandal continues to widen as Victorian Labor Premier Daniel Andrews opened talks with trade unions to attempt to quash a revolt over the federal takeover of Victorian Labor.
NSW Labor leader Jodi McKay with Granville MP Julia Finn, who has quit shadow cabinet after being named in a branch stacking investigation. She resigned on Friday but maintained her innocence. AAP
In NSW, Ms Finn maintained her innocence but said she had informed Labor leader Jodi McKay she would stand aside as Labor's spokeswoman for carers and consumer protection, after being named in an internal investigation into branch stacking in western Sydney.
"I maintain my innocence of any wrongdoing," she said in a brief statement.
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The NSW investigation, led by former Queensland state secretary Evan Moorhead, found Ms Finn had breached party rules, but no adverse findings were made against her.
Ms McKay said seven people had been found charged with "unworthy conduct" and would face a NSW Labor Party tribunal.
The branch-stacking scandal exposed by The Age and 60 Minutes has already claimed the scalps of three Victorian government ministers, including dumped Labor minister and right-wing powerbroker Adem Somyurek,
It also triggered the federal takeover of Victoria Labor which unions are branding an "unprecedented power grab".
The Australian Financial Review can reveal that Mr Andrews is in talks with the powerful bloc of trade unions to ensure they are given a "seat at the table" for Labor's national conference to influence both the party's policy and power.
Premier of Victoria Daniel Andrews speaks to the media this week as the Labor crisis escalates. Darrian Trainor
The bloc – which includes union forces from both the left and right of the Labor union factions including the CFMEU, Health Workers Union, retail union, plumbers' union and Transport Workers Union – are threatening legal action in response to the federal takeover.
The bloc is seeking legal advice from Maurice Blackburn – the union law firm which has previously acted for expelled Labor member John Setka – although would be unlikely to act given Maurice Blackburn chairman Steve Bracks has been appointed the administrator for the takeover.
"We are law-abiding unions who don't branch stack and pay our fees, so a lot of people are peeed off about this unprecedented power grab," one union official from Labor's Industrial Left said.
Transport Minister Jacinta Allan told reporters on Friday: "That's a matter for them, that's a matter for those parties who are considering this."
Labor is also facing the threat of legal action from Mr Somyurek, who is vowing he is serious.
"I am very serious about taking the legal action in relation to the unlawful recordings," he texted the Financial Review.
Ms Allan said: "That's a matter for that individual who is no longer a member of the Labor Party. The actions of that individual speak for themselves."
Deputy Labor leader Richard Marles (here next to leader Anthony Albanese) is standing by Anthony Byrne. AAP
A deluge of leaked text messages from Mr Byrne about Labor heavyweights have been leaked to the media in the wake of the fallout, including former NSW senator Sam Dastyari, who was called a "crooked, corrupt f---".
"Albo has spoken with Anthony about that language. I'm not about to defend it," Mr Marles said. "I absolutely think that Anthony Byrne has a very important role to continue to play in politics."
Even Australia's Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton threw his support behind Mr Byrne, who is considered a China hawk.
"I certainly like him and I think he's done a great job in the Intelligence Committee," he said.
Senior Labor sources played down speculation that forces were mobilising in Labor's Socialist Left faction to dump federal Victorian senator Kim Carr, who was elected in 1993 from Victoria and may be under threat in the Labor power shake-up.
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I have read that a couple of times. Still makes no sense.
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Told ya its the tip of the branch stack iceberg. More to come i reckon.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Fscandals-that-have-rocked-the-andrews-government%2Fnews-story%2Ff7a5790b488f0f3665296dfa20c17769&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium
"SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL, THE PUBLIC DESERVES A ROYAL COMMISSION"
billy boy got that right. Now its his mates turn to face the music of corruption.
(Im sure one of the mods have access to this pathetic paper so be interesting to read Dans rap sheet)
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Interesting read.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/power-vacuum-can-the-labor-party-really-clean-up-its-factional-mess-20200618-p5542z.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/power-vacuum-can-the-labor-party-really-clean-up-its-factional-mess-20200618-p5542z.html)
"Andrews, never one to waste an opportunity, is emerging as a massive winner from the crisis that has crushed Somyurek's power. The Premier's enemies have largely been neutered and sitting MPs guaranteed their seats for the next round of preselections, set to take place late next year ahead of the 2022 election."
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:sleep :sleep the unions say hello :lol :lol
love watching this corrupt scum cop this backlash
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Told ya its the tip of the branch stack iceberg. More to come i reckon.
remember Ramps when dan said, nope thats it im confident we have got to the bottom of it.
then out comes another one from nsw :thumbsup
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Problem with the ALP is that if you read their constitution, it’s unlike any other party’s constitution, because they have stipulations that bind them in so many ways. The factions have rules written into the constitution to protect their interests.
Rudd highlighted this and we know what happened to him.
The difference with the ALP and say the liberal party is that the ALP have stipulations written into their constitution so they are bound by these rules. The other party’s including the liberal party do not have factional stipulations in their constitution so they are not bound by any factions because it’s not written as law within their constitution as the ALP have done.
All party’s have their factions but only one party have factional stipulations written into their constitution. This effects everything the ALP do in terms of their choices ie. preselection etc.
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silence is deafening on dans covid, social and economic performance. We know how TT feels but be good to hear from a few of the others who have lauded his performance. :shh
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silence is deafening on dans covid, social and economic performance. We know how TT feels but be good to hear from a few of the others who have lauded his performance. :shh
Clearly directed at me (again)
You will get a detailed response when I am home and near my laptop
And my view on how the Prmeier has handled the pandemic hasn't changed
Not sure how it his fault that morons have refused to adhere to rules around family gatherings or people going to work when they have COVID
And please do not hide behind the BLM protests and use that as an excuse. Every state had those protests
People sooked (again will go into this point in more detail later) when we had the tightest restrictions wanted them lifted.... when they get lifted (pre protest) people did what they wanted and here we are.
Stupidity is stupidity. Selfishness ... by morons
But more later
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Frankie; Sorry I've had a few things to deal with in the last week and a bit
Will go on record straight away and make 2 points
1/ You wont' agree with anything I say and that's fine
2/ You won't like some of the examples I am going to use to make some of my points
IIRC you said a few months back Scomo was worse than Abbott or just about as bad.
Yep did say that and I will now say I got that wrong. Based on how he's handled this pandemic which is in some areas excellent and other areas average. I'd take ScoMo over Abbott any day.
So what are your thoughts on Daniel Andrews? This should be great to hear, because i can assure you if it was the other way caught red handed, you would be sending Scomo or anyone from the libs to the Guantanamo bay.
Let's go through one by one OK?
First up
I think I've made views on corruption very very clear. But just in case you missed it see below
So now we are going to rank corruption? And if we think it isn't too bad, we ignore it?
No thanks
Doesn't matter the scale anyone involved in it, from any party should be booted. End of story
On this there should only be one set of rules.
Rules that apply to every single pollie from the PM (basically lying about the sports rorts even though it's been proven he knew about it), to state premiers, to back benchers, to the the no name independent sitting in the senate
You can't pick and choose when you enforce the rules.
We might end up with no one in parliament but when you look at what we've got at the moment (again both sides) that might not be such a bad thing
Currently last week's event's are being investigated by IBAC (rightly) and let's see what comes of that.
Clearly, you believe Andrew's knew about this before the 60 minutes story. At this time there is NO evidence that he did so I will take that on face value. Get that's unacceptable to you but that's the way it is
I am very interested in why you've gone into attack mode over this but continue to excuse the Sports Rorts situation under ScoMo's watch, the failure of 2 of his minister's to co-operate with a AFP investigation, his failure to act against Dutton on his his no disclosure of property interests? And his government's failure to take responsibility of the Ruby Princess fiasco. Facts are Border Control is the responsibility of the Federal Govt; Dutton has failed and by extension on this one so has the PM...but I don't see your outrage here. Why is that?
Applying your very own set of rules this is all unacceptable but why are you applying bias?
Corruption is corruption, we don't get to rank it. there must be one set of rules for every side of politics. Funny now how those up in Canberra (all of them LNP, ALP, INP, greens etc) are falling over themselves to set up and independent Corruption body....
THE PANDEMIC: my view on this has not changed. Andrews has done an outstanding job just like all leaders have. As I said earlier not sure how you or the state opposition can blame the Premier for the actions of selfish morons.
Go back in this thread and you and others "sooked" about our lockdown restrictions not being eased. You complained about schooling at home. You wanted them lifted just like all other states. Then as soon as they are lifted people go off and don't give a stuff about others just themselves and here we are....
Recent test result have shown that the latest spike has nothing to do with the BLM protests but people refusing to continue to practice proper distancing, sticking to the rules around the numbers in gatherings. The easy out for everyone is to say it's because of the protest, no the blame is squarely at those who think of no one but themselves
As i said the other week
Again, not sure how some selfish protester and tests positive COVID is the Premier's fault.... what exactly were he and the cops supposed to do? Fine everyone? How do you manage that? How do you stop 30k+ plus people turning up to a protest, fine them and then move them on?? I'm interested to know
FWIW every state had the same issue; that is a mass protests by people who showed no regard or care about the safety of others in this pandemic
OTHER: I was disgusted by what Andrew's did regarding the CFA and his previous Emergency Services Minister - said it at the time. He was wrong, it was wrong. Clear enough for you?
But the one thing he is doing is sticking to his election promises. And that is a rarity in politics today. Whether they are all good is debatable (and yes there are some I don't agree with) but the things he said he'd deliver on his government is delivering on.
This is Dan the man in 2018, knowing full well about his old mate Somyurek's conduct earlier. But yeah he sacked him straight away this time only after he gave him a second go. hahaha
you really don't understand the fraction wars within the ALP do you
There is only only Premier who said this.
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
can we get your views on that now?
Yes you can, seeing the Somyurek text messages take a hammer to Andrews as well I doubt very much that he would have given him a job
Also, the text messages come after the above statement
And just so I am clear your disgust around comments that lead the the denigration of women; does it only apply to politicians or everyone?
Only asking because here are some of the gems from this forum on this thread
The result is another dent in labours future
They will be out of power for a very long time as long as that Witch is in power
So the witch declares the Medicare levy increase will form part of her election policies for us to vote on.
any party that puts an ugly,dumb slut in charge,fully deserve it
yeah i agree she has a real eye for that detail the dumb slag
I could go on...
Then of course i don't remember the same level of disgust a decade ago when the then Op Leader stood in front of signs denigrating the PM... no one called that out. Where was the rage? The disgust? Or was that OK because it was LNP pollie?
I won't even bother with the number of times there has been no call out of the denigration of female journos when they've written articles about our club ... why is that excatly?
We will park leave the homophobic slurs made against AFLW players out
You can't suddenly call this out when either posters on here have been doing it for years or they've applauded the same denigration over the years
Think it's called double standards :whistle
So the question i'm asking you is what do you think of Daniel Andrews and his team now? Just an honest question.
Answered, know you won't agree but I've answered
But here's a question for you
Why do you not apply the same set of rules to the Federal Govt that you are applying to the State Government especially around corruption and their biggest failure during this pandemic and that is the Ruby Princess?
you can't have it both ways
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A very impressive thesis.
From now on it is Dr William Powell.
:bow
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Frankie; Sorry I've had a few things to deal with in the last week and a bit
Will go on record straight away and make 2 points
1/ You wont' agree with anything I say and that's fine
2/ You won't like some of the examples I am going to use to make some of my points
IIRC you said a few months back Scomo was worse than Abbott or just about as bad.
Yep did say that and I will now say I got that wrong. Based on how he's handled this pandemic which is in some areas excellent and other areas average. I'd take ScoMo over Abbott any day.
So what are your thoughts on Daniel Andrews? This should be great to hear, because i can assure you if it was the other way caught red handed, you would be sending Scomo or anyone from the libs to the Guantanamo bay.
Let's go through one by one OK?
First up
I think I've made views on corruption very very clear. But just in case you missed it see below
So now we are going to rank corruption? And if we think it isn't too bad, we ignore it?
No thanks
Doesn't matter the scale anyone involved in it, from any party should be booted. End of story
On this there should only be one set of rules.
Rules that apply to every single pollie from the PM (basically lying about the sports rorts even though it's been proven he knew about it), to state premiers, to back benchers, to the the no name independent sitting in the senate
You can't pick and choose when you enforce the rules.
We might end up with no one in parliament but when you look at what we've got at the moment (again both sides) that might not be such a bad thing
Currently last week's event's are being investigated by IBAC (rightly) and let's see what comes of that.
Clearly, you believe Andrew's knew about this before the 60 minutes story. At this time there is NO evidence that he did so I will take that on face value. Get that's unacceptable to you but that's the way it is
I am very interested in why you've gone into attack mode over this but continue to excuse the Sports Rorts situation under ScoMo's watch, the failure of 2 of his minister's to co-operate with a AFP investigation, his failure to act against Dutton on his his no disclosure of property interests? And his government's failure to take responsibility of the Ruby Princess fiasco. Facts are Border Control is the responsibility of the Federal Govt; Dutton has failed and by extension on this one so has the PM...but I don't see your outrage here. Why is that?
Applying your very own set of rules this is all unacceptable but why are you applying bias?
Corruption is corruption, we don't get to rank it. there must be one set of rules for every side of politics. Funny now how those up in Canberra (all of them LNP, ALP, INP, greens etc) are falling over themselves to set up and independent Corruption body....
THE PANDEMIC: my view on this has not changed. Andrews has done an outstanding job just like all leaders have. As I said earlier not sure how you or the state opposition can blame the Premier for the actions of selfish morons.
Go back in this thread and you and others "sooked" about our lockdown restrictions not being eased. You complained about schooling at home. You wanted them lifted just like all other states. Then as soon as they are lifted people go off and don't give a stuff about others just themselves and here we are....
Recent test result have shown that the latest spike has nothing to do with the BLM protests but people refusing to continue to practice proper distancing, sticking to the rules around the numbers in gatherings. The easy out for everyone is to say it's because of the protest, no the blame is squarely at those who think of no one but themselves
As i said the other week
Again, not sure how some selfish protester and tests positive COVID is the Premier's fault.... what exactly were he and the cops supposed to do? Fine everyone? How do you manage that? How do you stop 30k+ plus people turning up to a protest, fine them and then move them on?? I'm interested to know
FWIW every state had the same issue; that is a mass protests by people who showed no regard or care about the safety of others in this pandemic
OTHER: I was disgusted by what Andrew's did regarding the CFA and his previous Emergency Services Minister - said it at the time. He was wrong, it was wrong. Clear enough for you?
But the one thing he is doing is sticking to his election promises. And that is a rarity in politics today. Whether they are all good is debatable (and yes there are some I don't agree with) but the things he said he'd deliver on his government is delivering on.
This is Dan the man in 2018, knowing full well about his old mate Somyurek's conduct earlier. But yeah he sacked him straight away this time only after he gave him a second go. hahaha
you really don't understand the fraction wars within the ALP do you
There is only only Premier who said this.
"I will not sit down, never sit down and negotiate with people who refuse to call out denigration of women.”
can we get your views on that now?
Yes you can, seeing the Somyurek text messages take a hammer to Andrews as well I doubt very much that he would have given him a job
Also, the text messages come after the above statement
And just so I am clear your disgust around comments that lead the the denigration of women; does it only apply to politicians or everyone?
Only asking because here are some of the gems from this forum on this thread
The result is another dent in labours future
They will be out of power for a very long time as long as that Witch is in power
So the witch declares the Medicare levy increase will form part of her election policies for us to vote on.
any party that puts an ugly,dumb slut in charge,fully deserve it
yeah i agree she has a real eye for that detail the dumb slag
I could go on...
Then of course i don't remember the same level of disgust a decade ago when the then Op Leader stood in front of signs denigrating the PM... no one called that out. Where was the rage? The disgust? Or was that OK because it was LNP pollie?
I won't even bother with the number of times there has been no call out of the denigration of female journos when they've written articles about our club ... why is that excatly?
We will park leave the homophobic slurs made against AFLW players out
You can't suddenly call this out when either posters on here have been doing it for years or they've applauded the same denigration over the years
Think it's called double standards :whistle
So the question i'm asking you is what do you think of Daniel Andrews and his team now? Just an honest question.
Answered, know you won't agree but I've answered
But here's a question for you
Why do you not apply the same set of rules to the Federal Govt that you are applying to the State Government especially around corruption and their biggest failure during this pandemic and that is the Ruby Princess?
you can't have it both ways
ruby princess whether you like it not is still under investigation and it seems like its a state issue. You can harp on it as much as you like but those are the facts. On one hand you are wanting to wait for the completion of a ibac probe into andrews team, then you you go on theatatck over ruby princess when that investigation is still underway :lol :lol Whoever is at fault they should cop their right whack.
I will repeat it again, only now that dan is on the back foot is it safe to bring up the issues from the "other side" I could bring up the same on the international thread when people like obama who dropped a bomb every 5 mins on international soil escapes criticism all those years ago, when compared to trump.
There is a systemic issue with the andrews government and its been laid bare for all to see. Have all governments been guilty of this, of course. Though this is about andrews, just like when it was your turn to wack scomo, calling him worse than abbott, waving his hands in church, turncoat, and myself with gillard and co. I could go on about the brumby led fiasco on black saturday which didnt get a negative mention, unlike scomo during bushfire month. No different to know so you have to suck it up unfortunately.
Back on Andrews and his fraction wars. I get all that. So, Dan knowing all that, allowed the turk back in twice, firstly after he assaulted that girl, and a second time when he assaulted that other person in his office. Dan followed that up with a glowing endorsement as well. What the public or anyone has to say about woman or anyone in general is just pure deflection to the case in point. Its about what the premier accepts, and clearly it wasnt an issue for him, as he he brushed it off. His government has been littered with controversy after controversy, and im glad you brought up the biggest one.
As for the BLM protestors. Well if it was scomo i can assure you the attacks would have come hard and fast from the usual suspects led by you and TT. Andrews from what i recall let the momentum build up over it during the week, and if i recall his only speech on it came 2pm the day before. (i stand corrected, but thats what i recall) By letting that occur, people became complacent and/or didnt care anymore. Its obvious to many why they took that stance. He was even posting twitter feed on black lives matter, then telling people not to attend.
There was a rule for one and another set of rules for the rest. It was a bad decision not to enforce it from the beginning of that week, that put lives at risk. Compare that to what NSW did which was force it to the federal court. At least they were pro active in trying to stop such a poorly timed protest.
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silence is deafening on dans covid, social and economic performance. We know how TT feels but be good to hear from a few of the others who have lauded his performance. :shh
Clearly directed at me (again)
You will get a detailed response when I am home and near my laptop
And my view on how the Prmeier has handled the pandemic hasn't changed
Not sure how it his fault that morons have refused to adhere to rules around family gatherings or people going to work when they have COVID
And please do not hide behind the BLM protests and use that as an excuse. Every state had those protests
People sooked (again will go into this point in more detail later) when we had the tightest restrictions wanted them lifted.... when they get lifted (pre protest) people did what they wanted and here we are.
Stupidity is stupidity. Selfishness ... by morons
But more later
i have answered this, but i will answer it again. He had his chance to put a stop to it very early in the week and didnt, so now he is rightly so facing the criticism he deserves.
You or i dont know if that thats the reason, but the chief medical officer of the country said it may have made people care very little about the process. You cant have one rule for one and a new set of rules for everyone else.
A real leader would have condemned it from day one, not allow momentum build up. I have no issue with the protest, but i have an issue when it has unintended consequences.
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Not sure which is worse a totally imcompetant government or a corrupt one
Currently we have one that combines the 2
But I'm sure people will continue to defend them
Not sure how anyone can defend or support any govt that has been proven to be corrupt like our current mob have over the sports sorts fiasco
this hasn't aged well. So to be clear WP will you say the same thing about anyone who supports or defends the andrews government including yourself?
Just curious. These were your words not mine.
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Victoria has gained another seat while WA and NT have lost one each.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EawjCdBUEAAlm-8?format=png&name=900x900)
Source: Ghostwhovotes twitter.
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Victoria has requested help from the Australian Army.
My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.
According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story :lol :lol
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-surged-after-blm-protests-health-minister-says-c-1122012?fbclid=IwAR3vpQmL23C_7PCD0i9TsXS2cE2sWrU3kV4x9pNpn6MBarpkv3kd0SCx9kY
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My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.
According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story
The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT
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My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.
According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story
The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT
hilarious
:lol :rollin :lol
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My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.
According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story
The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT
You need to stop using crack :cheers
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Victoria has requested help from the Australian Army.
My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.
According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story :lol :lol
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-surged-after-blm-protests-health-minister-says-c-1122012?fbclid=IwAR3vpQmL23C_7PCD0i9TsXS2cE2sWrU3kV4x9pNpn6MBarpkv3kd0SCx9kY
Interesting
The Federal Health Minister, CMO in Canberra disagrees with you but hey never let your bias get in the way of that
Serious question for you, though your recent track record of answering questions posed to you means you will likely just bash the Premier
Knowing everything you know, everything we've been told about this virus now (although at the very beginning you said something along the lines it wasn't real)
If you tested positive to COVID19 would you go to work, head to the shops and / or go and visit say your parents or grand parents or stay home
I don't want hear about protests, bashing pollies, serious question what you do?
Answer honestly
The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT
Sorry that is a ridiculous statement. Is it a contributing factor perhaps?
But ultimately people (read the moron element) need to take responsibility for the idiotic, selfish behaviour.
People can point fingers at whoever they like because as is the norm these days things are always someone else's fault.
But people blatantly doing the wrong thing and hiding behind pathetic excuses of it's Andrews fault, ScoMo's fault is one almighty cop out.
The people to blame are those doing the wrong thing because they don't give a sh-t about anyone or anything but themselves
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The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT
Sorry that is a ridiculous statement. Is it a contributing factor perhaps?
But ultimately people (read the moron element) need to take responsibility for the idiotic, selfish behaviour.
People can point fingers at whoever they like because as is the norm these days things are always someone else's fault.
But people blatantly doing the wrong thing and hiding behind pathetic excuses of it's Andrews fault, ScoMo's fault is one almighty cop out.
The people to blame are those doing the wrong thing because they don't give a sh-t about anyone or anything but themselves
Source was a very connected source at one of the major hospitals in Melbourne dealing with this crisis.
Further evidence is how quickly the Liberals come out denying this all using the sme quotes.
Sometimes maybe you are not the font of all knowledge.
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We have a big Sudan population. Do you know how many different dialects exist in Sudan?
One hundred and fourteen.
Scotty from Marketing and his team stuffed up again.
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But ultimately people (read the moron element) need to take responsibility for the idiotic, selfish behaviour.
Our ethic and migrant population are not not idiotic.
How dare you generalise like that.
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Sometimes maybe you are not the font of all knowledge.
Never said I was and neither are you
Suggest you quote your source if it is a media article
We have a big Sudan population. Do you know how many different dialects exist in Sudan?
One hundred and fourteen.
Scotty from Marketing and his team stuffed up again.
Why are you suddenly making this about race?
As most people know I am not a ScoMo fan. But this is not his or any government's stuff up... this the stuff up of selfish individuals who as I said don't think of anyone else but themselves and are clearly doing the wrong thing
But ultimately people (read the moron element) need to take responsibility for the idiotic, selfish behaviour.
Our ethic and migrant population are not not idiotic.
How dare you generalise like that.
What are you on about? I am never once single out any particular part of the population.
So how dare you insinuate otherwise.
It is you that has bought race and ethnicity into the discussion. Why?
I stand by my view that the people that are clearly doing the wrong thing and know that they are doing the wrong thing and have got us to this position are moronic and selfish. Their actions are indefensible.
And so you understand I am talking about the things we've heard in the last week around the spike in cases.
You know the ones
The Cases where we've been told people who have tested positive have gone to work and not stay home because they don't have sick leave. :banghead
Or the people infected who have gone, visited family and spread it. :banghead
Or the security guards at the hotels (hired by the hotels) that have not followed protocols. :banghead
If you think these type actions are acceptable and can be excused under any guise just so you can take a swipe at a pollie you despise then that's your choice
But these actions are why we are we find ourselves today and I am for one are bloody angry about it
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Words
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Words
Another cop out
So are you now another poster who won't directly answer questions?
Says a lot
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More insults.
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More insults.
What insults?
The only insult came from you with your accusation of racism towards me.
Your standard response when someone challenges you is to post "Words" ... that is a cop out
How is making an observation about about your not wanting to answer questions directed at you an insult :huh
So that action for me does say alot. That's not an insult that's just an opinion
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Coronavirus advice in Pacific Islander languages was published only four days ago, raising questions about government efforts to inform non-English speaking communities about the pandemic.
Members of Melbourne's Pacific Islander community, many of whom live in the council hotspot of Brimbank, have felt frustrated by the lack of information in native languages and have been requesting it for months.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-was-nothing-translation-delay-raises-questions-about-virus-information-to-migrant-communities-20200624-p555us.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/there-was-nothing-translation-delay-raises-questions-about-virus-information-to-migrant-communities-20200624-p555us.html)
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Victoria's public health doorknockers arrived on the streets of Melbourne's COVID-19 hotspots on Wednesday, attempting to overcome barriers in communication with some communities.
Carrying basic illustrated guides on managing COVID-19, the pairs of doorknockers were also equipped with QR codes that, when scanned, bring up public health information translated into more than 50 languages – a nod to the Victorian health department's shift to focusing on multicultural and linguistically diverse communities
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/huge-exercise-doorknockers-hit-streets-to-spread-the-word-about-virus-20200624-p555rl.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/huge-exercise-doorknockers-hit-streets-to-spread-the-word-about-virus-20200624-p555rl.html)
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WP
A couple of points.
1. I didn't make this about race and ethnicity, the government did (see last two posts)
2. I did quote my source (and it wasn't a media article)
3. I find your condescending attitude insulting.
TT
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Or the security guards at the hotels (hired by the hotels) that have not followed protocols.
1000 ADF personnel to help out in Victoria. Reports are suggesting that 850 of them will be replacing the security guards at the hotels.
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3. I find your condescending attitude insulting.
Coming from the most condescending person on the forum, I found this fairly funny
Surely you weren’t being serious
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WP
A couple of points.
1. I didn't make this about race and ethnicity, the government did (see last two posts)
2. I did quote my source (and it wasn't a media article)
3. I find your condescending attitude insulting.
TT
1. WP didn't even mention let alone make this about race and ethnicity.
2. To be fair it's an unverifiable unnamed source for the rest of us.
3. You put points one and two together and got five. You linked WP's post to your claim to make a baseless and false accusation towards WP of racial generalisation. Nowhere did WP say people were being stupid because they were 'ethnic' :huh.
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1. WP didn't even mention let alone make this about race and ethnicity.
2. To be fair it's an unverifiable unnamed source for the rest of us.
3. You put points one and two together and got five. You linked WP's post to your claim to make a baseless and false accusation towards WP of racial generalisation. Nowhere did WP say people were being stupid because they were 'ethnic' .
This has got out of hand. I unreservedly apologise for the false accusation. It was not my intention but I concede it certainly reads that way.
Can you and WP concede I was right. It is about race and ethnicity. Surely the Government's reaction proves this?
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1. WP didn't even mention let alone make this about race and ethnicity.
2. To be fair it's an unverifiable unnamed source for the rest of us.
3. You put points one and two together and got five. You linked WP's post to your claim to make a baseless and false accusation towards WP of racial generalisation. Nowhere did WP say people were being stupid because they were 'ethnic' .
This has got out of hand. I unreservedly apologise for the false accusation. It was not my intention but I concede it certainly reads that way.
Can you and WP concede I was right. It is about race and ethnicity. Surely the Government's reaction proves this?
Semantics but it involves different ethnic groups rather than it's 'about' ethnicity because these hotspots happen to be in suburbs with an above average migrant population. However, there are plenty of other suburbs with a similarly large and diverse OS born population which aren't hotspots.
One or two greater families breaking the even stricter 5-per-household covid rules from a month ago plus quarantine violations at two hotels doesn't mean it's an ethnic issue (Btw I'm not saying you're saying that either). It's simply that those people broke the protocols and have now spread the virus into the general community again.
Sure in these hotspots there will be a tiny minority of newly arrived or elderly migrants who genuinely don't understand and government info about covid will be provided to ethnic communities in languages other than English to reinforce the message again but that's more due to the demographics of where the outbreaks are.
Unfortunately, there's nothing that can get through to idiots who deliberately refuse to follow the rules because they don't think they can get covid or think it's just "like the flu" and don't give a stuff about anyone else like that young bloke interviewed on Ch 7 tonight.
ps. If the May date regarding those couple of families breaching the rules is correct, it also shows the city protest had nothing to do with the latest outbreak.
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Nup. Its not about race or ethnicity. Its about selfish stupid people doing what they want and not whats best for the community.
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it probably doesn't help where some religions are believed to be outside Australian law
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Told ya its the tip of the branch stack iceberg. More to come i reckon.
Yes Ramps. You tried to tell us but TT wasn't listening
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6167337984001
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Just want to go record and say don't agree with what Dan Andrews has done by reducing the number of ADF requested
1000 + was the right way to go
Understand why the Police & PSO are a better option around parts of the hotel security issue (they can issue fines) but would rather see the ADF involved in a few other areas. Especially around logistics = the movement of people from Airports, hot spots and setting up the pop up clinics.
He has made a blue on this
That's all
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My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.
According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story
The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT
hahaha just saw this.
I am guessing if it was Christian gathering the tone on the topic would have been a little different :shh
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Victoria has requested help from the Australian Army.
My word what a mess this state has became, and it all started with the disgraceful soft messaging allowing those fools to protest, then of course the rorting of tax payer money.
According to some he has done a great job, though the silence tells a difference story :lol :lol
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-surged-after-blm-protests-health-minister-says-c-1122012?fbclid=IwAR3vpQmL23C_7PCD0i9TsXS2cE2sWrU3kV4x9pNpn6MBarpkv3kd0SCx9kY
Interesting
The Federal Health Minister, CMO in Canberra disagrees with you but hey never let your bias get in the way of that
Serious question for you, though your recent track record of answering questions posed to you means you will likely just bash the Premier
Knowing everything you know, everything we've been told about this virus now (although at the very beginning you said something along the lines it wasn't real)
If you tested positive to COVID19 would you go to work, head to the shops and / or go and visit say your parents or grand parents or stay home
I don't want hear about protests, bashing pollies, serious question what you do?
Answer honestly
The current surge in COVID19 cases in Victoria is a direct result of the shoddy job the Federal Libs done in communicating to the ethnic and migrant populations. FACT
Sorry that is a ridiculous statement. Is it a contributing factor perhaps?
But ultimately people (read the moron element) need to take responsibility for the idiotic, selfish behaviour.
People can point fingers at whoever they like because as is the norm these days things are always someone else's fault.
But people blatantly doing the wrong thing and hiding behind pathetic excuses of it's Andrews fault, ScoMo's fault is one almighty cop out.
The people to blame are those doing the wrong thing because they don't give a sh-t about anyone or anything but themselves
no, i wouldnt visit anyone if i tested positive, but that is me. I blame the andrews government for their soft approach to the protesters and his general demeanour especially in the last month.Terrible messaging. I expect the rise in covid cases
Furthermore, Do you think people listen to a corrupt government who knock on your door and say here have this test. :lol
I am the only person i know that actually has the APP on their phone. Facts are people are not onboard with this virus.
Not sure which is worse a totally imcompetant government or a corrupt one
Currently we have one that combines the 2
But I'm sure people will continue to defend them
Not sure how anyone can defend or support any govt that has been proven to be corrupt like our current mob have over the sports sorts fiasco
this hasn't aged well. So to be clear WP will you say the same thing about anyone who supports or defends the andrews government including yourself?
Just curious. These were your words not mine.
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still waiting for a reply here. Wonder why you cant reply WP?
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Just want to go record and say don't agree with what Dan Andrews has done by reducing the number of ADF requested
1000 + was the right way to go
Understand why the Police & PSO are a better option around parts of the hotel security issue (they can issue fines) but would rather see the ADF involved in a few other areas. Especially around logistics = the movement of people from Airports, hot spots and setting up the pop up clinics.
He has made a blue on this
That's all
Its taken a while but finally we agree. On this i cant understand why any government, state or federal, doesn't utilise the ADF. I liked how scomo used the team in the bushfires with transportation i think in Hastings. Though why did it take so long
What are they actually doing when they aren't in operation?
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still waiting for a reply here. Wonder why you cant reply WP?
I haven't replied because after yesterday I am steering clear of this thread for a few days while I calm down
I don't want have to ban myself for breaking site rules. I am very angry at the moment and right now it is best I refrain rather than going whackety, whack, whack
No other reason
You will get a reply when the time is right
And FWIW I have the app as well
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Great, each to their own. I just cant understand what the big deal is and have a hard time understanding the logic where people said nope i aint downloading the APP as they will know where i am all the time".
yet they have an iphone, facebook, instagram etc :lol :lol
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Well well well wellity, look who's at it again:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-labor-mp-suspended-amid-asio-probe-into-foreign-interference-20200626-p556lr.html
#ALCCP #REDFLAGFLYINGHIGH :shh
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nothing to see here Dio, move along now.
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What we're seeing in Victoria is the unravelling of a state labor government. Its all falling apart. This mob have run their race here. They have no idea how to keep covid under control and their socialist principles and their messaginf during BLM protests was disgraceful. Instead of sending in the cops and fining those clowns for beeaking the covid rules tgey sat there and jack shizen almost giving there full on approval. We got idiots refusing to be tested and its all because the state government in victoria is soft and weak. Theyve been soft and weak on corona they were soft and weak on the protesters and theyve vern soft and weak on these bludgers who are in the african gangs movement who have been terrorising melbourne for years now. Its time for Victorian Labor to get the arse they are a deadset shemozzle.
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The only thing I will say about the lost above is:
Every state had BLM protests, every state. No state could stop them. And multiple pollies across Aust supported them. I've asked many times if anyone can tell me how the police were supposed to fine 40k people? As yet no one has come forward with that answer
Regarding, people refusing to be tested. This is Australia wide not just in Victoria. Sadly, you cannot force anyone to be tested. Decent folks will do it because it is the right thing. Those who refuse .... well call them what you like
That is all
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Fining the clowns would have been easy. Send in 1000 cops and each cop coukd issue 3 or 4 fines each. Anyone resisting should have been charged with resisting arrest and assault if they wanted to punch on with the cops. The only reason the cops werent issuing fines was because the imbeciles at the protests were all lefty dole bludgers who vote labor and the government didnt want to issue fines to the supporters of the left.
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Fining the clowns would have been easy. Send in 1000 cops and each cop coukd issue 3 or 4 fines each. Anyone resisting should have been charged with resisting arrest and assault if they wanted to punch on with the cops. The only reason the cops werent issuing fines was because the imbeciles at the protests were all lefty dole bludgers who vote labor and the government didnt want to issue fines to the supporters of the left.
You do realise in Australia it is not illegal to protest? So whether we agree with it or not even with social distancing rules (key word is rules not law) people were legally allowed to protest. I don't agree with it but I was reading about it via legal blog by a constitutional expert that the cops were limited by what they could do
And are you that naive to know why they didn't do what you are suggesting? The ratbag element said prior they were deliberately going to the protest to try and provoke police so the could generate footage of "police brutality"
For the record so things cannot be twisted to suit a narrative. I support the cause but under no circumstances did I support the protest. It should not have gone ahead in these times
That is all
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Can you and WP concede I was right. It is about race and ethnicity. Surely the Government's reaction proves this?
No.
Based on
1) what I saw on the news on Thursday evening from the good folk of Broadmeadows simply refusing to do the right thing because they don't care about anyone but themselves. Which is what I've witnessed first hand when I go out walking. And you if you dare say anything to people asking them to the right thing you get abused.
2) and more than anything what I have witnessed at my own workplace in the last 3 weeks. Where despite the protocols by the business being very clear = slightest symptoms stay home and get tested we have people rocking up to work day after day and then getting sent home. Worst offenders? White anglo males.
That is all.
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More evidence the Feds got it so wrong.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-crucial-role-multicultural-media-has-played-in-combating-covid-19-20200627-p556sw.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-crucial-role-multicultural-media-has-played-in-combating-covid-19-20200627-p556sw.html)
The crucial role multicultural media plays in conveying information about COVID-19 to Australians who speak a language other than English at home has been recognised by the government as it scrambles to respond to a second spike in cases in Victoria.
SBS last week reported it had received a phone call from the Department of Health wanting to utilise its in-language radio broadcasts to ensure the government’s coronavirus health and safety messages were getting across.
“Some of the communities it is looking to target include those of African heritage, particularly the South Sudanese-born Australians, it also mentioned Indian, Cambodian, Indonesian and Sinhalese language groups, also Arabic, Turkish, Vietnamese, Italian and Mandarin language speakers were areas of concern where they wanted to ensure the COVID-19 safety messages were getting through,” SBS journalist Abby Dinham reported.
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Your kidding yourself everyone knows about covid 19 everyone. These people have a disrespect for the law and the wider community. You could invest millions in ads it wont make a difference because these deadbeat communities dont care about anyone else.
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Your kidding yourself everyone knows about covid 19 everyone. These people have a disrespect for the law and the wider community. You could invest millions in ads it wont make a difference because these deadbeat communities dont care about anyone else.
The evidence suggests otherwise.
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What evidence lol. SBS are just a propaganda tool for alot of these communities. They are doing the wrong thing. They know they are doing the wrong thing and they dont give a stuff about it. Anyone who breaches
The rules now in victoria should get fined the full amount. Then youll see these deadbeats complying.
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Andrew Bolt: Why Daniel Andrews got it wrong
For months “Dictator Dan”, ordered all Victorians to follow over-the-top restrictions to stop COVID-19. Yet our nitwit government got tough on everything except the one basic thing that counts most and has become the example on exactly how not to fight this virus, writes Andrew Bolt.
Victoria's bungling of coronavirus 'going to cost the country big time'
The Victorian government bungled its handling of the coronavirus pandemic, it played the “little dictator” with ludicrous bans, and committed a number of fundamental errors th...
Pay attention millennials, this isn’t bullying, it’s life
COVID-19 reaction a scary insight on rubbish climate modelling
Law profession is basically the NRL with wigs
Victoria’s virus laws have been the most insanely tough. Yet Victorians are now Australia’s lepers, banned from South Australia and crowd events in NSW.
Please, watch Victoria to see exactly not how we must fight this virus or any other.
For months Premier Daniel Andrews polished his image as “Dictator Dan”, ordering all Victorians to stay in their homes to stop the virus.
His restrictions were crazily over-the-top. He banned golf, fishing and camping — even out in the desert –— despite a study showing just one example in China of group transmission of the virus in the open air.
Many of those bans were finally eased, but Victoria remains the most militant state.
But now look: for two weeks it’s had many more new infections than the rest of the country put together. On Saturday, 41 new infections. On Sunday, 49.
(NSW on Sunday had just three, including two travellers in hotel quarantine.)
See, Victoria’s nitwit government got tough on everything except the one basic thing that counts most. It didn’t make sure that sick people were put in tight quarantine — and stayed there.
I’m no expert but could see the stupidity of being tough on things that didn’t count and soft on what did. Since April, I repeatedly warned “we should do more to quarantine the sick” and “do more to make sure the infected stay in quarantine”.
For political analysis and opinion like no other. Watch Jones & Credlin with Alan Jones 8pm Tuesdays, Sky News. For more
But check what this government did instead.
First, it got security guards — amateurs — to work at hotels where we quarantine travellers returning from overseas, many with infections.
These hotels were virus central. But now we’re told by the ACTU that these guards weren’t properly trained.
And surprise! Some caught the virus from the very people they were supposedly keeping in quarantine, and took it home with them.
Strike one. This government made the most fundamental error: not keeping the door shut.
But wait. It did this twice.
Those guards took the virus to some of the 10 hotspot suburbs in this outbreak — suburbs where up to 60 per cent of people were born overseas.
As Andrews admits, some infections in these suburbs were spread in turn by people who broke the lockdown rules. Some knew they were sick, yet still went to work. Others held big family parties to mark the end of Ramadan, which is one reason why just a few families were responsible for nearly half the new infections in the outbreak’s first week.
The government blames a lack of English for infected people not paying attention to the virus bans, even though health warnings were translated into 53 languages.
But leave aside who should take the blame for this dangerous multicultural disunity.
Strike two against this government is that it once more failed to do the basics. Again, it did not shut the door on this virus. Literally.
Instead, it ran an honour system of quarantine. It trusted people who got sick to stay at home and not have people drop in.
Sure, it eventually backed that up with some police checks, but that clearly failed. Last Monday, police stepped up those checks and found 13 people supposedly in home quarantine had gone out.
How can we run a loose honour system of quarantine when the cost of the virus spreading is so huge? This is bizarre.
It’s not like there aren’t examples to learn from. I’ve pointed before to Taiwan, which has a population about as big as ours, but had just seven people die from the virus. We’ve had 103.
In Taiwan, officials check anyone in quarantine with a daily phone call. If there’s no answer, police will be there within the hour. And phones are tracked, so that if someone in quarantine leaves home they get another call.
Add something else we now lack: Taiwan has a far more cohesive community, more likely to hear and heed government messages.
But Victoria? Check out its government’s final idiocy — its third strike. It let thousands of returning travellers out of quarantine without testing them first.
These Australians, many recently from countries such as India, refused to be tested, yet were let out anyway. Did this woke government not insist on tests for fear of appearing intolerant?
Now, I agree. Maybe the panic caused by Victoria’s outbreak is over the top. Just one Victorian has died of the virus in a month, and just one is in intensive care.
So this government is not just incompetent but hysterical, and the whole country is paying for it.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-why-daniel-andrews-got-it-wrong/news-story/184c85e90c71648ee90019d93893d020
alp are imploding everywhere you look.
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Scotty from Marketing is at it again with his "new" HomeBuilder scheme.
A good idea? It is if you are wealthy enough to afford a $150,000 extension or a $750,000 new house.
Does nothing for the people suffering on JobKeeper or JobSeeker.
Another stuff-up by Scotty from Marketing or was this the plan all along?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/queensland-homebuilder-hold-up-no-timeline-for-federal-scheme/12394130?section=politics (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/queensland-homebuilder-hold-up-no-timeline-for-federal-scheme/12394130?section=politics)
The Federal Government launched the HomeBuilder scheme on June 4, but just over three weeks later it is still not operational and there is no start date in sight.
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Andrew Bolt: Why Daniel Andrews got it wrong
alp are imploding everywhere you look.
With respect Frankie,
Andrew Bolt is a biased journalist, always has been. He is a not anything remotely left, so therefore by extension he is anti ALP.
I won't even mention his constant defence of Pell and pointing the finger of blame at the victims because it is not relevant to this discussion
But more importantly, he ridiculed all things CIVID19 when we went into lockdown. Said it was an over reaction even when people were dying. But now it seems he has done a complete 360
So forgive me if I put very little credence in his opinion
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Me too. (although it means I'm agreeing with WP)
:lol
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Yes we should only ever cite far-left media & the ALPBC like you do... :shh
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Scotty from Marketing is at it again with his "new" HomeBuilder scheme.
A good idea? It is if you are wealthy enough to afford a $150,000 extension or a $750,000 new house.
Does nothing for the people suffering on JobKeeper or JobSeeker.
Another stuff-up by Scotty from Marketing or was this the plan all along?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/queensland-homebuilder-hold-up-no-timeline-for-federal-scheme/12394130?section=politics (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/queensland-homebuilder-hold-up-no-timeline-for-federal-scheme/12394130?section=politics)
The Federal Government launched the HomeBuilder scheme on June 4, but just over three weeks later it is still not operational and there is no start date in sight.
No comments FJ?
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Yes we should only ever cite far-left media & the ALPBC like you do... :shh
aarg yes the good ol 2 way street. Doesn't go down well on here.
ask scomo and the sports rorts bashers who suddenly have a lapse of memory now that big dan and his mates have done far worse. :shh
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Scotty from Marketing is at it again with his "new" HomeBuilder scheme.
A good idea? It is if you are wealthy enough to afford a $150,000 extension or a $750,000 new house.
Does nothing for the people suffering on JobKeeper or JobSeeker.
Another stuff-up by Scotty from Marketing or was this the plan all along?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/queensland-homebuilder-hold-up-no-timeline-for-federal-scheme/12394130?section=politics (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/queensland-homebuilder-hold-up-no-timeline-for-federal-scheme/12394130?section=politics)
The Federal Government launched the HomeBuilder scheme on June 4, but just over three weeks later it is still not operational and there is no start date in sight.
No comments FJ?
my first comment is if you are going to post something then post it accurately. ANY HOUSE worth up to $750,000. That is 2 now on here trying to make it sound like if its only designed for the rich.
I wont dignify that with a response until that comment is amended, because we are all about accuracy on OER. :lol
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Scotty from Marketing is at it again with his "new" HomeBuilder scheme.
A good idea? It is if you are wealthy enough to afford a $150,000 extension or a $750,000 new house.
Does nothing for the people suffering on JobKeeper or JobSeeker.
Another stuff-up by Scotty from Marketing or was this the plan all along?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/queensland-homebuilder-hold-up-no-timeline-for-federal-scheme/12394130?section=politics (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/queensland-homebuilder-hold-up-no-timeline-for-federal-scheme/12394130?section=politics)
The Federal Government launched the HomeBuilder scheme on June 4, but just over three weeks later it is still not operational and there is no start date in sight.
No comments FJ?
my first comment is if you are going to post something then post it accurately. ANY HOUSE worth up to $750,000. That is 2 now on here trying to make it sound like if its only designed for the rich.
I wont dignify that with a response until that comment is amended, because we are all about accuracy on OER. :lol
Nice try. But this is a program that will not see the light of day. More crap from Scotty from Marketing.
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Andrew Bolt: Why Daniel Andrews got it wrong
alp are imploding everywhere you look.
With respect Frankie,
Andrew Bolt is a biased journalist, always has been. He is a not anything remotely left, so therefore by extension he is anti ALP.
I won't even mention his constant defence of Pell and pointing the finger of blame at the victims because it is not relevant to this discussion
But more importantly, he ridiculed all things CIVID19 when we went into lockdown. Said it was an over reaction even when people were dying. But now it seems he has done a complete 360
So forgive me if I put very little credence in his opinion
now you know how we feel when that nyc times or abc rubbish is posted.
points made by Andrew Bolt are very balanced.
that said here is another one for you
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/rising-tension-in-labor-ranks-over-handling-of-coronavirus/news-story/1fb8349f155e266bfae3f03a3d595c71
Premier Daniel Andrews is facing growing internal angst over his handling of the coronavirus crisis.
Tensions are rising inside the state government after 75 new coronavirus cases were detected across the state on Monday the largest single increase since late March.
With authorities now all but admitting Victoria is in the midst of a second wave, Labor Party MPs are growing concerned about how the coronavirus response is being handled.
The government has come under intense scrutiny over its trouble plagued hotel quarantine system which has led to several outbreaks and dozens of positive tests.
It has also been accused of sending mixed messages in its handling of the crisis.
Critics have accused the government of being distracted by the damaging branch-sacking scandal that claimed three ministers and c ontroversy over its CFA and fire services reforms.
“There is anxiety being expressed about COVID and CFA,” one MP said.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews was come underwire for his government’s response to coronavirus
“There is an increasingly anxious edge to people on the Whatsapp group. You’d have to be a moron to think this is going well.
“We’ve pranced around but we haven’t done the basics.”
It is understood there has been significant infighting over the handling of the hotel quarantine system.
The government has been left scrambling for a solution to the troubled system after more than 30 new coronavirus cases were linked to two hotels.
Lax procedures have been blamed for security guards contracting the virus and some also spreading it to relatives.
Sources say eyebrows were also raised inside government last week over the Premier’s handling of a request for help from the Australian Defence Force.
After asking Prime Minister Scott Morrison for ADF support, more than 1000 personnel were set to join the Victorian coronavirus frontline.
The support was to include helping bolster the state’s hotel quarantine system.
But hours after announcing the move a revised request saw 850 personnel turned away without explanation.
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Not sure which is worse a totally imcompetant government or a corrupt one
Currently we have one that combines the 2
But I'm sure people will continue to defend them
Not sure how anyone can defend or support any govt that has been proven to be corrupt like our current mob have over the sports sorts fiasco
this hasn't aged well. So to be clear WP will you say the same thing about anyone who supports or defends the andrews government including yourself?
Just curious. These were your words not mine.
still waiting WP.
given the state of Victoria at present, and ALP in general, i eagerly await your response.
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Interesting article.
https://theconversation.com/multilingual-australia-is-missing-out-on-vital-covid-19-information-no-wonder-local-councils-and-businesses-are-stepping-in-141362 (https://theconversation.com/multilingual-australia-is-missing-out-on-vital-covid-19-information-no-wonder-local-councils-and-businesses-are-stepping-in-141362)
Victoria’s chief health officer has admitted the government did not properly engage with linguistically diverse communities about COVID-19 in the runup to Melbourne’s recent spike in cases.
Professor Brett Sutton last week said:
"We know that there are some migrant communities, recent migrants or culturally and linguistically diverse communities, who are over-represented now with some of our new cases […] It's our obligation as government to reach those people. It's not their fault if we're not going in with appropriate engagement."
However, the Victoria Government is clearly worried about a link between linguistic diversity and infection, and is sending public health officials door to door to deliver health messages.
More than one in five (about 22 per cent) of Australian households speak a language other than English.
In Casey, a Melbourne hotspot, it's about 38 per cent and in Brimbank it's up to 62 per cent.
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Not sure which is worse a totally imcompetant government or a corrupt one
Currently we have one that combines the 2
But I'm sure people will continue to defend them
Not sure how anyone can defend or support any govt that has been proven to be corrupt like our current mob have over the sports sorts fiasco
this hasn't aged well. So to be clear WP will you say the same thing about anyone who supports or defends the andrews government including yourself?
Just curious. These were your words not mine.
still waiting WP.
given the state of Victoria at present, and ALP in general, i eagerly await your response.
I am getting very tired you you baiting me over this Frank :banghead
As l said I will reply when I am ready
For obvious reasons on this thread I am limiting my responses and keeping them very short
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Everyones just shooting the breeze in here no need to take everything seriously.
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There is nothing to defend ramps hence why there is suddenly a case of memory loss
Mr Andrews. Wow. He should hand in his resignation. Fancy telling Scomo to stuff off when he presented him defence personnel on a platter. Now he let a situation where guards were sleeping with each other on the job then heading back to home to spread it even more
There is talk or those security forms rorting the system And over charging the tax paper
ALP are finished here.
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There is nothing to defend ramps hence why there is suddenly a case of memory loss
Mr Andrews. Wow. He should hand in his resignation. Fancy telling Scomo to stuff off when he presented him defence personnel on a platter. Now he let a situation where guards were sleeping with each other on the job then heading back to home to spread it even more
There is talk or those security forms rorting the system And over charging the tax paper
ALP are finished here.
You think Andrews is gone but Morrison can do no wrong? Go figure.
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There is nothing to defend ramps hence why there is suddenly a case of memory loss
Mr Andrews. Wow. He should hand in his resignation. Fancy telling Scomo to stuff off when he presented him defence personnel on a platter. Now he let a situation where guards were sleeping with each other on the job then heading back to home to spread it even more
There is talk or those security forms rorting the system And over charging the tax paper
ALP are finished here.
You think Andrews is gone but Morrison can do no wrong? Go figure.
where is the tears emoji? i feel its required here as it seems so many have gone missing
i am still waiting for someone to defend daniel andrews and the alp's performance
will you be the first?
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You think Andrews is gone but Morrison can do no wrong? Go figure.
where is the tears emoji? i feel its required here as it seems so many have gone missing
Why do we need a tears emoji?
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If it's OK with you Frankie
I have explained why I am currently giving this thread a very wide berth
When I'm ready I will post again in this thread, not when you or anyone else thinks I should
So again would appreciate it if you stop with the baiting because that is what you are clearly doing
Can I make it any clearer for you?
Also throw in it is EOFY and I am accountant so my focus right now is on my work and not debating politics and getting accused by people of things that are blatantly untrue
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There is nothing to defend ramps hence why there is suddenly a case of memory loss
Mr Andrews. Wow. He should hand in his resignation. Fancy telling Scomo to stuff off when he presented him defence personnel on a platter. Now he let a situation where guards were sleeping with each other on the job then heading back to home to spread it even more
There is talk or those security forms rorting the system And over charging the tax paper
ALP are finished here.
A sudden case of memory loss? I must have missed Frankie where you claimed the Federal and NSW LNP governments were finished due to the Ruby Princess :shh.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/passengers-should-have-stayed-on-ruby-princess-inquiry-told-20200629-p557cf.html
Or are you saying the Government should still be blamed even when non-government individuals and companies blatantly, deliberately and even fraudently disobey covid rules and proctocols? You don't need training to know to not sleep with hotel guests nor hold multiple large parties ::). Nor do those returning from overseas in hotels need training to know to not leave their room and break the rules either.
This outbreak is due to a minority of selfish idiots breaking covid rules. Even this week we've had almost a thousand residents in the hotspots refusing to be tested. Then there was that selfish git on Ch 7 news a few nights back telling them he's not going to change his life for a 'flu' and he doesn't care if he passes covid onto his grandma and kills her. Tonight it's reported a bloke travelled up to Sydney while infected and caught a suburban train. Not the only idiots either in Victoria as when I went down to Cape Schanck a few weeks ago it was packed and there were large groups not social distancing. Some people saw the low and falling case numbers in May and the calls from some to open up faster because other states were and they became complacent and stupid. Others just selfishly don't care because any rules are against their "liberties" ::). There comes a time in these instances when individuals need to be responsible for their own pathetic behaviour and actions. Blaming others including the government is a cop out!
Thankfully, the state and federal governments aren't pointing blame at each other and are just getting on with the job of dealing with this outbreak. As Prof. Murphy said a few days ago they were expecting and prepared for these new outbreaks. They know covid-19 writes its own rules as its highly contagious and that we have no herd immunity nor a vaccine. So we are all still at risk of even further outbreaks including those cocky non-Victorians interstate.
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If it's OK with you Frankie
I have explained why I am currently giving this thread a very wide berth
When I'm ready I will post again in this thread, not when you or anyone else thinks I should
So again would appreciate it if you stop with the baiting because that is what you are clearly doing
Can I make it any clearer for you?
Also throw in it is EOFY and I am accountant so my focus right now is on my work and not debating politics and getting accused by people of things that are blatantly untrue
understood, i did read about that.
dont bother about answering all good
il wait for tt to come back.
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il wait for tt to come back.
TT went mad so we had to shoot him.
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There is nothing to defend ramps hence why there is suddenly a case of memory loss
Mr Andrews. Wow. He should hand in his resignation. Fancy telling Scomo to stuff off when he presented him defence personnel on a platter. Now he let a situation where guards were sleeping with each other on the job then heading back to home to spread it even more
There is talk or those security forms rorting the system And over charging the tax paper
ALP are finished here.
A sudden case of memory loss? I must have missed Frankie where you claimed the Federal and NSW LNP governments were finished due to the Ruby Princess :shh.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/passengers-should-have-stayed-on-ruby-princess-inquiry-told-20200629-p557cf.html
Or are you saying the Government should still be blamed even when non-government individuals and companies blatantly, deliberately and even fraudently disobey covid rules and proctocols? You don't need training to know to not sleep with hotel guests nor hold multiple large parties ::). Nor do those returning from overseas in hotels need training to know to not leave their room and break the rules either.
This outbreak is due to a minority of selfish idiots breaking covid rules. Even this week we've had almost a thousand residents in the hotspots refusing to be tested. Then there was that selfish git on Ch 7 news a few nights back telling them he's not going to change his life for a 'flu' and he doesn't care if he passes covid onto his grandma and kills her. Tonight it's reported a bloke travelled up to Sydney while infected and caught a suburban train. Not the only idiots either in Victoria as when I went down to Cape Schanck a few weeks ago it was packed and there were large groups not social distancing. Some people saw the low and falling case numbers in May and the calls from some to open up faster because other states were and they became complacent and stupid. Others just selfishly don't care because any rules are against their "liberties" ::). There comes a time in these instances when individuals need to be responsible for their own pathetic behaviour and actions. Blaming others including the government is a cop out!
Thankfully, the state and federal governments aren't pointing blame at each other and are just getting on with the job of dealing with this outbreak. As Prof. Murphy said a few days ago they were expecting and prepared for these new outbreaks. They know covid-19 writes its own rules as its highly contagious and that we have no herd immunity nor a vaccine. So we are all still at risk of even further outbreaks including those cocky non-Victorians interstate.
yes, its now back on the idiots breaking the rules (which i agree with you by the way). Conveniently the andrews team have nothing to say so they are now reverting everything back to the enquiry. It was andrews who said Yes, then no to the federal government about the need for defence personnel, once the unions got involved and now look at the result.
He should be thankful scomo is a man of integrity and is hellbent on bringing them all together. I did initially blame the protesters, and whilst i agree andrews was weak as pee on allowing that, that wasnt really was caused this, although will we ever know with any great certainty?
So can we assume you would feel the same regarding this covid breakout it was a liberal led government? A simple yes or no will suffice. :shh
Also tell me MT how do you rate the alps performance over the rorts scandal given, something which has been conveniently been swept aside. You had this to say a few months ago.
Morrison is full of it! The same goes for his denials and lies regarding his government's systemic rorting of taxpayers money
surely the same goes for your beloved alp?
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bloody abc murdoch crap :shh
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-02/fact-check-scott-morrison-slavery-nsw-australia/12407280
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1593760492664-jpeg.905296/)
:shh
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What a guy Dan is.
I would put up his presser yesterday but I cbf
This tells the story
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6169213505001?fbclid=IwAR2jQwMcOhv4pZf_kTS-vQ7J4xAn17QYylfEcI6sOvyBIamJ9K1OZeVvYMM
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What a guy Dan is.
I would put up his presser yesterday but I cbf
This tells the story
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6169213505001?fbclid=IwAR2jQwMcOhv4pZf_kTS-vQ7J4xAn17QYylfEcI6sOvyBIamJ9K1OZeVvYMM
Glad to see you are using an unbiased source of information. Skynews FFS.
You can do better.
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Sky is the most reputable news source in australia. Not like that rag tag 3rd rate socialist ghetto known as the ABC. Its just a socialist propaganda machine for unhinged groups like get up and the refugees advocates who want to turn Australia into a 3rd world slumheap. The sooner we start kicking out the refugees from africa and the middle east the better.
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What a guy Dan is.
I would put up his presser yesterday but I cbf
This tells the story
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6169213505001?fbclid=IwAR2jQwMcOhv4pZf_kTS-vQ7J4xAn17QYylfEcI6sOvyBIamJ9K1OZeVvYMM
Glad to see you are using an unbiased source of information. Skynews FFS.
You can do better.
the fact that you or anyone cannot defend mr andrews over this, or the alp over their corruption speaks volumes about how you really feel toward their conduct.
apologies for quoting sky news, who were really quoting the herald sun, who were really quoting Emergency Management Commissioner Andrew Crisp :lol
I will just leave these here for you to have a read 65.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-02/fact-check-scott-morrison-slavery-nsw-australia/12407280
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-17/victorian-labor-has-significant-problem-premier-daniel-andrews/12362858
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-03/victoria-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-scandal-for-daniel-andrews/12418102
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:rollin
I have to laugh. I haven’t been on this thread for a while and after I remembered the vitriol that was thrown at Scomo (from the usual suspects) because of his holiday to Hawaii, I thought I might see some interesting posts about how Dan-the-Man has handled this corona situation in Victoria.
......crickets
:lol
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Just a couple of privately hired security guards hard at work at a hotel in another capital city in Australia
Not Melbourne ;D
Oh and before people jump up and down about the link I've posted
Pictures and original story appeared in Rupert's "The Australian" behind a paywall :thumbsup
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/02/30337484-8485437-image-a-38_1593739910508.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/01/30336398-8485437-image-a-28_1593736352100.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485437/Photo-shows-security-guard-Sydney-coronavirus-quarantine-hotel-asleep-job.html
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:rollin
I have to laugh. I haven’t been on this thread for a while and after I remembered the vitriol that was thrown at Scomo (from the usual suspects) because of his holiday to Hawaii, I thought I might see some interesting posts about how Dan-the-Man has handled this corona situation in Victoria.
......crickets
:lol
:lol :lol yep
wasnt just hawaiigate though.
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I hope to have some time in the next few days to post my thoughts on the current events
Will say this though, i had the pressers of both Premier's on in background while I was working today
Been making an effort to listen to as many presser as possible. Why? Because believe it or not ALL media seem to ne only reporting the bits they want. Or more to the point what they want sensationalise
And that's ALL media, TV, wireless, newspapers
Who wpuld have thought any of them wpuld do that :gobdrop
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So instead a critique of your hero Dan-the-Man and the beloved Labor party all we are offered so far are pictures of what’s happening in “another” capital city.
Oh is this supposed to justify incompetency?
And is this supposed to soften the reasons for the current situation in Victoria?
If this was Abbott or Scomo do you think any of us would be asking for an opinion?
Maybe take another week to figure out why this is all the federal governments fault because Scomo went to Hawaii. :rollin
Dan-the-Man supporters ask yourselves a question,
Which state is currently in the worst situation?
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So instead a critique of your hero Dan-the-Man and the beloved Labor party all we are offered so far are pictures of what’s happening in “another” capital city.
Oh is this supposed to justify incompetency?
And is this supposed to soften the reasons for the current situation in Victoria?
If this was Abbott or Scomo do you think any of us would be asking for an opinion?
Maybe take another week to figure out why this is all the federal governments fault because Scomo went to Hawaii. :rollin
Dan-the-Man supporters ask yourselves a question,
Which state is currently in the worst situation?
Are you baiting me? Mocking me?
I suggest you read my post earlier why I haven't been posting in this thread.
A very cheap shot indeed >:(
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Victorians have become parias to the rest of the nation because of the incompetence of state labor. This government is going the same way as John Cains government. When the economy was running it was all easy when the economy faultered Victoria was left on the brink of bankruptcy. Andrews got lucky for a long time but the economy is stuffed because of corona people arent buying property so stamp duty revenue is shot and the state has committed to billions of dollars in projects now suffering major overruns. Its a disastrous position for our state and once again it will be a profligate state labor government which will ruin victoria economically. The response to covid has bern diabolocal here, policies implemented have failed and labor continues to support failed migration strategies which can now be seen by this 2nd corona outbreak. Its these groups who disrespected our community and its these groups who are primary spreaders of this pandemic. Its time for Labor and their chronies to get out and let a proper responsible liberal government to take over before they destroy the state again.
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This post isn't about defending the government just to highlight the battle ....
See below:
Is this not part of the issue? Are these selfish ignorant not responsible for their actions or not?
From the HUN
"The massive jump in cases comes as Department of Health contact tracers battle to prevent new clusters emerging in suburbs not yet locked down.
The Herald Sun understands their job is being made more difficult by an increasing reluctance among sections of the west and north western community to share information about where they have been and who their close contacts are.
In some cases people have reported delays of up to five days in finding out they are a close contact of a confirmed case, during which time they may have spread coronavirus further into new communities."
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/tower-control-worries-mount-border-closure-a-blow-to-tourism/news-story/1b3ea10d034fb01cd125aaf66082ce11
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Looks like we're going back into lockdown.
Not surprised.
Good call by our glorious state leader Dan Andrews.
What a hero!
Haha
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So instead a critique of your hero Dan-the-Man and the beloved Labor party all we are offered so far are pictures of what’s happening in “another” capital city.
Oh is this supposed to justify incompetency?
And is this supposed to soften the reasons for the current situation in Victoria?
If this was Abbott or Scomo do you think any of us would be asking for an opinion?
Maybe take another week to figure out why this is all the federal governments fault because Scomo went to Hawaii. :rollin
Dan-the-Man supporters ask yourselves a question,
Which state is currently in the worst situation?
Are you baiting me? Mocking me?
I suggest you read my post earlier why I haven't been posting in this thread.
A very cheap shot indeed >:(
Not just for you WP but to all of the labor loving cheerleaders that can’t see ever see when they royally stuff up. This has to be the worse stuff up since Joan Kirner.
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This post isn't about defending the government just to highlight the battle ....
See below:
Is this not part of the issue? Are these selfish ignorant not responsible for their actions or not?
From the HUN
"The massive jump in cases comes as Department of Health contact tracers battle to prevent new clusters emerging in suburbs not yet locked down.
The Herald Sun understands their job is being made more difficult by an increasing reluctance among sections of the west and north western community to share information about where they have been and who their close contacts are.
In some cases people have reported delays of up to five days in finding out they are a close contact of a confirmed case, during which time they may have spread coronavirus further into new communities."
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/tower-control-worries-mount-border-closure-a-blow-to-tourism/news-story/1b3ea10d034fb01cd125aaf66082ce11
sounds like your giving them an out to me, and trying to deflect attention to matters that are of on concern to this state.
The question is about the incompetence of the Andrews government, and the corruption of the alp.
Lets start with that and then go from there.
I feel for you WP as a few of the other labor lovers have gone missing in action for quite some time now. Mr 65 of all people accused me of baiting where i simply was asking a question than no one wants/can answer about this government.
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Victorians have become parias to the rest of the nation because of the incompetence of state labor. This government is going the same way as John Cains government. When the economy was running it was all easy when the economy faultered Victoria was left on the brink of bankruptcy. Andrews got lucky for a long time but the economy is stuffed because of corona people arent buying property so stamp duty revenue is shot and the state has committed to billions of dollars in projects now suffering major overruns. Its a disastrous position for our state and once again it will be a profligate state labor government which will ruin victoria economically. The response to covid has bern diabolocal here, policies implemented have failed and labor continues to support failed migration strategies which can now be seen by this 2nd corona outbreak. Its these groups who disrespected our community and its these groups who are primary spreaders of this pandemic. Its time for Labor and their chronies to get out and let a proper responsible liberal government to take over before they destroy the state again.
remember the outrage when scomo went to hawaii for a few days, or when he went to church, or thought about going to the rugby. :shh
The damage to this state cannot be measured now. There will be massive job losses on the back of andrews incompetence. Virgin for one. Why would a company keep melbourne jobs now as opposed to queensland?
Cant use them for 2 months, and potentially longer. Remember Billy in front of the cameras to scomo to save virgin, bail them out Scomo. Thats the difference between a diabolical party and a liberal one. Scomo got no credit for saving billions of dollars, that was not required. Showed great courage. Those same jobs billy wanted bailed, will unfortunately be lost anyway, and Dan's team can take credit for that.
Andrews is a disgrace and should step aside now. The only silver lining i can see is Billy Shorten is not near this debacle. Imagine the 2 of them now.
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Just on Virgin
Jobs were never coming to Melb under any new Owner as the QLD have committed $200 mil of taxpayers money to Virgin via the Administrator (Stupid decision) to keep it there and buy a stake
No govt should "save" airlines
Which brings me to Rex Airlines who have just announced they are going national and will be flying to major cities now. Which is happening due to the Fed Govt giving them $$$ to do so, as pushed by the Nationals. A former Nat Minister of a previous LNP govt is their deputy chairman. Few questions being raised around it. I wonder why?
Based on people applauding the ScoMo govt not bailing out Virgin (rightly) I am interested to hear views on this little deal. Right or wrong?
Not a diversion BTW just flows on to any discussion about political corruption I would think ;D
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:banghead :banghead more deflection WP. Answer the question posed please. It's not hard.
Do you need me to quote it again regarding Dan the man, your previous thoughts on liberal voters, and the alp?
First you post i havent got the head space to respond to questions after some attack by a poster, and then you head down another road. So clearly your feeling better which is great for the site, so perhaps address the issue with our current state government.
Stop with the deflecting please, then we can discuss your other unsubstantiated rants.
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Labor Premier Daniel Andrews has got Victoria into the mess and that’s why we are back in lockdown
Premier Daniel Andrews has failed to concede he and his inept administration got Victoria into this mess and instead is blaming you, writes Sophie Elsworth.
Lockdown ‘harder the second time’
Premier Daniel Andrews is blaming Victorians for the crisis this state is in.
At no point during this pandemic has the Labor Premier accepted responsibility for his incompetent administration which has now left millions of Victorians as outcasts in their own country.
Dictator Dan is pointing the finger at you for doing the wrong thing.
The irony.
As he does his daily spiels from behind the lectern and talks down to Victorians like they are small children he fails to admit guilt.
“I apologise for the position we’re in. I’m accountable as the leader of this state,” he said.
Sorry, not sorry Victorians.
You’re to blame for this mess according to Dictator Dan.
Businesses are being sent to the wall, families left in ruin and this arrogant Premier won’t fess up that he stuffed up, big time.
On announcing that Melbourne was going back into lockdown for six weeks this week the Premier pointed the finger at you.
“I think there’s a sense of complacency as we let our frustrations get the better of us,” he said.
“I think each of us know of someone who has not been following the rules as well as they should have.”
Yes we do Premier.
We know 10,000 of them.
Those Black Lives Matter protesters that you allowed to march the streets on Saturday, June 6 with zero repercussions without putting up a fight.
Saying we are all in this together is absolute bollocks.
We are not.
That protest proved it.
Only three fines were issued to the organisers, none to the protesters.
Then we hear on Wednesday 15 people had a party at Southbank in Melbourne on Sunday night and were all fined for breaching social distancing rules.
So if you’re in a small group you’re stuffed but if you’re in a big group it’s happy days.
This is the Premier who said it would be dangerous to visit your mother on Mother’s Day before easing the restrictions just two days later.
This too is the Premier who banned fishing and golf but this time around they are both OK to do.
I had a family member who was out with his rod in Port Phillip Bay for days back when the first restrictions came in and on the night the rules were due to start he was still fishing.
He was none the wiser about the timing of the new rules and then half an hour before they began he was hauled into Williamstown in the middle of the night in his boat alongside five men from various authorities.
Ridiculous – how is a man fishing solo in the ocean a danger to anyone?
Then we’ve had the hotel quarantine debacle unfold which has cost us all dearly.
Premier Andrews turned away ADF, failed to use police officers, and instead opted to use nightclub bouncers.
Some were given five minutes of training, others were paid cash in bags and some even slept with guests.
It defies belief.
But Dictator Dan thought he could bluff us all by saying the recent spread of COVID-19 from hotel quarantine could have come down to something as innocent as the nightclub bouncers sharing a cigarette lighter.
Seriously.
And the deputy chief health officer Annaliese van Diemen let the cat out of the bag by revealing 30 per cent of hotel quarantine guests weren’t getting tested, something I’m sure the Government wouldn’t have been pleased she let slip.
Despite this she said “Victoria has led the way” with hotel quarantine.
But Dictator Dan’s lips on this giant mess are sealed now because he’s spending your money – $3 million of it – to have a retired judge do a three-month inquiry into the debacle that has left the state in the mess it’s now in.
In means Dan the deflector can avoid answering any questions from hereon in on anything relating to hotel quarantine, quite convenient really.
And where are his army of inept ministers who are virtually silent or non-existent in recent days?
This includes Health Minister Jenny Mikakos and Police Minister Lisa Neville’s, both who have been given very little airtime this week.
That’s so the Premier can control the messaging and avoid accepting responsibility for this mess.
Victorians are can see for themselves the very high price for voting for this Labor Government who have mounting issues to deal with and the state is stuck with him for at least another two years.
The Liberal Opposition certainly needs to lift their game if they are any chance of knocking Premier Andrews – who has brought this state to its knees – off his perch.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/labor-premier-daniel-andrews-has-got-victoria-into-the-mess-and-thats-why-we-are-back-in-lockdown/news-story/b5d4f6b0f24782769bbe65d51940966d
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:banghead :banghead more deflection WP. Answer the question posed please. It's not hard.
Do you need me to quote it again regarding Dan the man, your previous thoughts on liberal voters, and the alp?
First you post i havent got the head space to respond to questions after some attack by a poster, and then you head down another road. So clearly your feeling better which is great for the site, so perhaps address the issue with our current state government.
Stop with the deflecting please, then we can discuss your other unsubstantiated rants.
Frankie, give me a break. :banghead
I answered a post with a question. It's not unsubstantiated but whatever. It was to test the waters so to speak
Wanted to see if was going to get whacked again simply because I hold a different view.
You see I am sick of being whacked, ridiculed and for want a better term yelled at because I hold a different view.
Sorry I didn't appreciate being accused of being a racist (amongst other things) so I made call to step back. Why? so I wouldn't stoop to the same level
Facts are I cop alot of crap, abuse that is against the rules of this site but I let it go. I don't snap back and abuse the same way because (1) I'm a mod so I can't and (2) more importantly that's not how I operate. But last fortnight is the closest I've come. So I stepped back from this thread.
I had hoped people would respect that, hoped.
I will be replying to all the things that's been directed at me this pass fortnight this coming weekend when I have some time
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Still no criticism of DanTheMan :rollin
It’s pretty typical really, I wasn’t really expecting it from any of the lefties on here anyway.
The reality is that whilst DanTheMan actually thinks he’s done a great job here, the rest of the county get on with living and rebuilding the economy.
:banghead :banghead more deflection WP. Answer the question posed please. It's not hard.
Do you need me to quote it again regarding Dan the man, your previous thoughts on liberal voters, and the alp?
First you post i havent got the head space to respond to questions after some attack by a poster, and then you head down another road. So clearly your feeling better which is great for the site, so perhaps address the issue with our current state government.
Stop with the deflecting please, then we can discuss your other unsubstantiated rants.
Gold :clapping
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:banghead :banghead more deflection WP. Answer the question posed please. It's not hard.
Do you need me to quote it again regarding Dan the man, your previous thoughts on liberal voters, and the alp?
First you post i havent got the head space to respond to questions after some attack by a poster, and then you head down another road. So clearly your feeling better which is great for the site, so perhaps address the issue with our current state government.
Stop with the deflecting please, then we can discuss your other unsubstantiated rants.
Gold :clapping
This is exactly what I was talking about
Clearly, you didn't bother reading my response to Frankie
Thanks for that
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Andrews should resign. The other members of Andrews Covid cabinet should also resign. Theyve been exposed for the terrible government theyve
Been. Hiding behind railway crossing removals. The sooner this incompetent mob get the arse the better.
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Labors incompetence in Victoria will see Australia stay in recession. The property market will get hammered and businesses will close down in this state. Govetnment revenues from stamp duty will fall and Victorias debt will spiral upwards at a rate of knots. All because of a stupid government who wanted to cow tow to rat bag protestors and who were so so incomoetent they hired part time security guards with minimal training to secure hotels. Labor will be responsible AGAIN for wrecking our state finances, they will be responsible for every business that has to close forever and they are responsible for every single person who ends up on the dole because of this outbreak. They were the GUILTY PARTY before and they are the GUILTY PARTY again.
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Just watching ScoMo's presser now.
Absolutely agree with his comments about the Federal ALP scare mongering.
It is wrong and unacceptable
It simply doesn't help
And it is unacceptable across all levels of politics.
That is all
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Not the only reason but interesting. Certainly someone stuffed up mightily employing security guards to watch the Hotels under quarantine.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/fuel-spark-victoria-response-virus-public-health-bushfire/12443982 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/fuel-spark-victoria-response-virus-public-health-bushfire/12443982)
"[In] shared homes with additional generations or just a large family, it can be very difficult to stop that single ember from continuing this bushfire," says the University of NSW's Professor Mary-Louise McLaws.
"We could have put [family clusters] out very rapidly had we gone to explain to them in their own language — and to their further community — what's going on, so that if they see a spark, they act on it immediately with testing and keeping at home."
Professor McLaws says the community is never to blame.
"It's always the lack of leadership by epidemiologists, infection control experts, the government. We the people are only as good as the advice and the support that we're given," she says.
"I believe that we are beholden to look after our multicultural community. It has to be done with their culture, in their language, so they fully get it."
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I will be replying to all the things that's been directed at me this pass fortnight this coming weekend when I have some time
My intention was to reply to all the stuff directed at me over the last fortnight today
But today family has to come first. After a pretty emotional day yesterday finishing off the cleaning out of my late Father in law's house for settlement next week... my family needs me more than this forum
I hope people will respect that.
Will only be posting about footy for the next few days
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I will be replying to all the things that's been directed at me this pass fortnight this coming weekend when I have some time
My intention was to reply to all the stuff directed at me over the last fortnight today
But today family has to come first. After a pretty emotional day yesterday finishing off the cleaning out of my late Father in law's house for settlement next week... my family needs me more than this forum
I hope people will respect that.
Will only be posting about footy for the next few days
go tigers
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Not the only reason but interesting. Certainly someone stuffed up mightily employing security guards to watch the Hotels under quarantine.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/fuel-spark-victoria-response-virus-public-health-bushfire/12443982 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/fuel-spark-victoria-response-virus-public-health-bushfire/12443982)
"[In] shared homes with additional generations or just a large family, it can be very difficult to stop that single ember from continuing this bushfire," says the University of NSW's Professor Mary-Louise McLaws.
"We could have put [family clusters] out very rapidly had we gone to explain to them in their own language — and to their further community — what's going on, so that if they see a spark, they act on it immediately with testing and keeping at home."
Professor McLaws says the community is never to blame.
"It's always the lack of leadership by epidemiologists, infection control experts, the government. We the people are only as good as the advice and the support that we're given," she says.
"I believe that we are beholden to look after our multicultural community. It has to be done with their culture, in their language, so they fully get it."
so you waited until some abc link became available and thought you would get in first. :lol :lol
We tried to tell you, but you decided to go missing before conceding what most knew already.
The ALP are in tatters, and so is Dan the man Andrews. He wont be able to hide behind the level crossings anymore. That is of course he doesnt do a bracks and leaves beforehand.
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^
Those level crossings are great tho you have to admit :D
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^
Those level crossings are great tho you have to admit :D
never said they weren't. I said it wont save him. There are people who voted for him, only for this and i speak to many with my job. Most wont be voting for it this time around and with a government in tatters, good luck. He will see a massive swing, similar to ted from toorak back a decade ago
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more incompetence, and now dodging questions
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/victorians-in-selfquarantine-sent-allclear-text-alert-by-mistake/news-story/249ec3a2d01350aa24aeebed39635699
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/straightforward-question-premier-daniel-andrews-dodged-on-hotel-quarantine/news-story/60a9f1ab6fa68754874fc8540c31cf36
what i find odd is no one is bagging trump anymore. Could it be that we have an absolute fool running this state, the same way those people suggested the states was run.
Not even the states had people screwing hotel guests. That is right up there, and i wonder how many of these deaths are as a result of that cluster.
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For me the onus is still on the security guard. I would just imagine it’s common decency to not shack up with someone who is in quarantine during a pandemic.
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what i find odd is no one is bagging trump anymore. Could it be that we have an absolute fool running this state, the same way those people suggested the states was run.
Not even the states had people screwing hotel guests. That is right up there, and i wonder how many of these deaths are as a result of that cluster.
Funny you should mention Trump Frankie.
I joked with soemone the other day perhaps Dan should have taken Trump's "do less tests, we'll have less cases" approach. :rollin
Seriously though, I think people have stopped bagging Trump because (1) things are totally out of control over there with cases and deaths increasing at massive rate, (2) he is heading for an huge election loss and (3) people's focus is on what we are dealing with.
And just to clarify the USA did not have a hotel quarantine program. They had very few protocols, especially when they started opening things up
And an interesting number that I heard at i think it was yesterday's presser was our daily total of positive cases is the same number of new cases they record every 10 minutes.
Still think despite everything that is happening here, we are all relieved we are here and not there
Just my take
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People i know who were blasting trump have now gone missing, because they are generally dan supporters. They have a country that has 350 million, so of course there will be more deaths.
They aren't even the worse performing country. Anyway this is australia politics so lets discuss the performance of the great alp.
I even see that some of these blokes have now spread the covid into NSW.
I suppose that is our fault too Dan.
The media are going to town on him and with good reason.
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For me the onus is still on the security guard. I would just imagine it’s common decency to not shack up with someone who is in quarantine during a pandemic.
so you blame the security guards who shouldnit have been there in the first place.
also their fault that request for help from the government was denied from day one.
buck stops with the guy in charge, its actually that simple.
he has blood on his hands and should step aside now unfortunately.
That would be the right thing to do
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Need to acknowledge that this is a health issue not a political one.
Outbreak could have started anywhere and to be honest I suspect we might just need to learn to live with C19 forever.
Most of the issues with C19 come down to people (masses), not policy. The policies are fine - people just need to follow them properly.
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JobSeeker, Job Keeper, Home Builder and now another one.
JobTrainer.
And what is it?
Just another existing program in a rebadged TAFE program.
Honestly Scotty from Marketing does it again.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/government-s-2-billion-jobtrainer-plan-to-help-school-leavers-and-unemployed-20200715-p55cev.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/government-s-2-billion-jobtrainer-plan-to-help-school-leavers-and-unemployed-20200715-p55cev.html)
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Scotty from marketing doing a great job. Keeping Australia from going into freefall from the stupidity and incompetence of state labor governments.
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Scotty from marketing doing a great job. Keeping Australia from going into freefall from the stupidity and incompetence of state labor governments.
A bit of accuracy please. Incompetent state Labor governments? Does that include the Labor governments of Queensland and Western Australia? Not to mention the ACT and the NT.
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what i find odd is no one is bagging trump anymore. Could it be that we have an absolute fool running this state, the same way those people suggested the states was run.
Not even the states had people screwing hotel guests. That is right up there, and i wonder how many of these deaths are as a result of that cluster.
Funny you should mention Trump Frankie.
I joked with soemone the other day perhaps Dan should have taken Trump's "do less tests, we'll have less cases" approach. :rollin
Seriously though, I think people have stopped bagging Trump because (1) things are totally out of control over there with cases and deaths increasing at massive rate, (2) he is heading for an huge election loss and (3) people's focus is on what we are dealing with.
And just to clarify the USA did not have a hotel quarantine program. They had very few protocols, especially when they started opening things up
And an interesting number that I heard at i think it was yesterday's presser was our daily total of positive cases is the same number of new cases they record every 10 minutes.
Still think despite everything that is happening here, we are all relieved we are here and not there
Just my take
people are focused on the total incompetence of the victorian ALP led by dan the man and his corrupt bunch of cronies.
lets not deflect from the real issue here now shall we WP :shh
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Need to acknowledge that this is a health issue not a political one.
Outbreak could have started anywhere and to be honest I suspect we might just need to learn to live with C19 forever.
Most of the issues with C19 come down to people (masses), not policy. The policies are fine - people just need to follow them properly.
so you didnt pass judgement on scomo during the busfires, which was a state health issue not a federal? Just need to keep it consistent.
pretty sure there is a bit of content back there. Also any recent comment on the alp corruption or is that only reserved for the sports rots scandal. :lol
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people are focused on the total incompetence of the victorian ALP led by dan the man and his corrupt bunch of cronies.
lets not deflect from the real issue here now shall we WP :shh
No deflection Frankie
You bought up Trump. Just replying to that during my hiatus
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Scotty from Marketing has announced $400 million to boost the film industry.
Good move but a bit disappointing in one regard. He missed the opportunity for another fancy name, FilmSaver maybe.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/australian-film-industry-funding-boost/12465348 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/australian-film-industry-funding-boost/12465348)
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silence is deafening on here. usual suspects gone missing. Zero reply on corruption, zero reply on chairman Dan's performance, zero reply on deaths caused by incompetence.
Should be lucky we have Scomo in charge of things, imagine if it were shorten and dan going at it.
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Imagine if Scotty from Marketing was the Victorian premier. He would have fancy names for things but would be prone to prioritise going on holidays or going to see his beloved bum sniffers in action.
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eh...
This outbreak will end.
And we will have another one. You cannot retain antibodies to C19 beyond about 8-12 weeks - therefore you can catch it again and again. Also makes it almost impossible to vaccinate a population unless you coordinate the inoculation of the entire population and keep the boarders shut forever.
Not a political issue! It's a health crisis!
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Its a political issue my friend.
Labors incompetence fuelled the 2nd wave.
Its Labors incompetence that will leave this state bankrupted again. They went all in that property would continue to provide billions in stamp duty. Victoria is stuffed because Labor and their dodgy union mates negotiated huge contracts for projects and huge wages for bludgers acting as lollypop people. Its a disgrace. Labor is the Pitts. Its time to Bring back Jeff Kennett.
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Its a political issue my friend.
Labors incompetence fuelled the 2nd wave.
Its Labors incompetence that will leave this state bankrupted again. They went all in that property would continue to provide billions in stamp duty. Victoria is stuffed because Labor and their dodgy union mates negotiated huge contracts for projects and huge wages for bludgers acting as lollypop people. Its a disgrace. Labor is the Pitts. Its time to Bring back Jeff Kennett.
What would a Link government have done differently? Specifically.
Remember JK sold our utilities to achieve a surplus. Like chopping the head off the golden egg laying goose...
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Its a political issue my friend.
Labors incompetence fuelled the 2nd wave.
Its Labors incompetence that will leave this state bankrupted again. They went all in that property would continue to provide billions in stamp duty. Victoria is stuffed because Labor and their dodgy union mates negotiated huge contracts for projects and huge wages for bludgers acting as lollypop people. Its a disgrace. Labor is the Pitts. Its time to Bring back Jeff Kennett.
Yeah we get it. Labor bad, Dan Andrews bad.
But WTF is the alternative? The Victorian Libs are woefully unprepared for government.
Time to get behind the Victorian Government and wait for the election to have your say.
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The libs atleast wont engage in profligate spending with money that doesnt exist.
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The libs atleast wont engage in profligate spending with money that doesnt exist.
Just like the Federal government is doing. Only worse.
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You and your labor mates completely support jobkeeper and those schemes. Indeed your mob wanted more money for these schemes. The money that has been spent has meant Australian families have been able to get through this period. Atleast no money has been wasted on pink batt schemes, cash for clunkers and dodgy portables for schools lol.
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Yes its a health issue Andy, ONLY cause its suits now as its the andrews led government who has completely stuffed things up in this state. Remember the bashing scomo received went to hawaii for a few days. :lol
scomos leadership and the schemes put in place have been exactly what is required.
Todays job keeper 2.0 cannot be faulted. Would like to see more stimulus to sectors harder hit like hospitality, aviation etc though i suspect thats on its way.
Overall Scomo is leading by example which is what you want him to do, not commission failed schemes which cost lives.
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Imagine if Scotty from Marketing was the Victorian premier. He would have fancy names for things but would be prone to prioritise going on holidays or going to see his beloved bum sniffers in action.
well if he were premier i would say the adf would have been used, and subsequently less deaths.
thats if those things actually concern you
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Yes its a health issue Andy, ONLY cause its suits now as its the andrews led government who has completely stuffed things up in this state. Remember the bashing scomo received went to hawaii for a few days. :lol
scomos leadership and the schemes put in place have been exactly what is required.
Todays job keeper 2.0 cannot be faulted. Would like to see more stimulus to sectors harder hit like hospitality, aviation etc though i suspect thats on its way.
Overall Scomo is leading by example which is what you want him to do, not commission failed schemes which cost lives.
I think him being here is great, and it's good leadership. He should have come back sooner when things escalated or not gone at all.
I also don't believe C19 is a reason to go on a political witch hunt and I don't blame Andrews for what happening with C19 currently.
Make sense?
And also, at face value, I support the new changes to the doll and jobkeeper etc.
As an essential worker (healthcare) I have literally received F all in assistance aside from some discounted Nando's, some coffees from Macca's and a new pair of work shoes from Baata. My fiance lost her job as part of C19 cuts but isn't eligible for jobkeeper so we have been on one income for about 3 months now, with 3 kids and no child support for the oldest 2 who are my step kids because their dad is 'out of work' again despite also being an essential worker himself (sparky).
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Todays job keeper 2.0 cannot be faulted. Would like to see more stimulus to sectors harder hit like hospitality, aviation etc though i suspect thats on its way.
You say it cannot be faulted but then go on to outline the improvements you would like to see.
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Todays job keeper 2.0 cannot be faulted. Would like to see more stimulus to sectors harder hit like hospitality, aviation etc though i suspect thats on its way.
You say it cannot be faulted but then go on to outline the improvements you would like to see.
because that is not job keeper. :banghead :banghead You do understand what other stimulus measures is right?
to repeat jobkeeper 2.0 cannot be faulted.
i know you are falling in love with scomo like ur other mates at the guardian.
must hurt to see Scotty delivering. Even the abc, guardian have caught on.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2020/jun/02/australians-are-warming-to-scott-morrisons-new-look-as-a-more-unifying-figure
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Todays job keeper 2.0 cannot be faulted. Would like to see more stimulus to sectors harder hit like hospitality, aviation etc though i suspect thats on its way.
You say it cannot be faulted but then go on to outline the improvements you would like to see.
because that is not job keeper. You do understand what other stimulus measures is right?
to repeat jobkeeper 2.0 cannot be faulted.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2020/jun/02/australians-are-warming-to-scott-morrisons-new-look-as-a-more-unifying-figure (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2020/jun/02/australians-are-warming-to-scott-morrisons-new-look-as-a-more-unifying-figure)
Good try but they are directly related. Hospitality, aviation etc need extra stimulus because Scotty from Marketing didn't include them in JobKeeper.
And yes JobKeeper can be faulted. It was faulty (by your own admission) and it is still faulty for the same reason.
And those areas were left out of JobKeeper because there are no votes in it for Scotty from Marketing.
AND Scotty from Marketing has done nothing but make up fancy names for existing programs and follow others advice.
His initial thoughts were that the Economy would "snap back".
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Just watching Scotty from Marketing on the 7:30 report. I'm sorry but he is full of crap.
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He is a great leader having to deal with half with labor premiers wjp dont know what theyre doing
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-21/quarantine-hotel-security-guards-recruited-by-whatsapp-message/12476574
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Todays job keeper 2.0 cannot be faulted. Would like to see more stimulus to sectors harder hit like hospitality, aviation etc though i suspect thats on its way.
You say it cannot be faulted but then go on to outline the improvements you would like to see.
because that is not job keeper. You do understand what other stimulus measures is right?
to repeat jobkeeper 2.0 cannot be faulted.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2020/jun/02/australians-are-warming-to-scott-morrisons-new-look-as-a-more-unifying-figure (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2020/jun/02/australians-are-warming-to-scott-morrisons-new-look-as-a-more-unifying-figure)
Good try but they are directly related. Hospitality, aviation etc need extra stimulus because Scotty from Marketing didn't include them in JobKeeper.
And yes JobKeeper can be faulted. It was faulty (by your own admission) and it is still faulty for the same reason.
And those areas were left out of JobKeeper because there are no votes in it for Scotty from Marketing.
AND Scotty from Marketing has done nothing but make up fancy names for existing programs and follow others advice.
His initial thoughts were that the Economy would "snap back".
you simply have nfi what you are talking about, but we all know that on here. I am associated with aviation and have family members who own restaurants/cafes in the cbd. So yes i believe i know who gets what and job keeper is provided to both those sectors, and it is very helpful. Job keeper extended until March if your business has had a fall by over 30% enables you to keep staff on the books. No failed schemes that costs lives here, or do you prefer half arsed ones that put people in coffins?
Sometimes i think you just make up crap as you go along. The fact you largely ignore any criticism of dictator Dan proves proves that really.
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I defy anybody to justify this from Scotty from Marketing.
An extra $10 million to Foxtel (to a total of $40 million) while slashing the ABC budget by $84 million.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/22/coalition-gives-another-10m-to-foxtel-to-boost-womens-sport-on-tv (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/22/coalition-gives-another-10m-to-foxtel-to-boost-womens-sport-on-tv)
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Shouldn't be funding Foxtel and should be selling off the ABC....:shh
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Shouldn't be funding Foxtel and should be selling off the ABC....:shh
dont know. The abc lately is showing up dan the man to be the joke that he is, so im starting to warm to them.
Maybe Rudd was right they are turning right :stupid
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I defy anybody to justify this from Scotty from Marketing.
An extra $10 million to Foxtel (to a total of $40 million) while slashing the ABC budget by $84 million.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/22/coalition-gives-another-10m-to-foxtel-to-boost-womens-sport-on-tv (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/22/coalition-gives-another-10m-to-foxtel-to-boost-womens-sport-on-tv)
The ABC should be shut down. A hotch potch 4th rate media organisation full of labor chronies and hacks who use tax payers money to propagate crap from the likes of get up lol. Close em down. They are a waste of money.
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Kind of like im taking a hiatus.
I take it that this is directed at me?
Mocking or baiting? Which is it?
Both clearly against rules but I will let it goes as no one has reported it. So I will leave this part of your post here
I don't see why I need to explain my actions as to why I am not posting on this thread.
I have my reasons, they are personal and TBH none of yours or anyone else's business
But let me make it very clear. It has nothing to do with my views on Dan Andrew's performance or ScoMo's performance during this pandemic. Which for FWIW haven't changed.
I get that doesn't suit your narrative but that's the way it is ... nothing more, nothing less
If I've learnt anything during this pandemic and in particular the last week having had to go through another COVID19 test amongst other things and that is there is far more important things going on right now than copping whacks, being mocked or baited for simply having an opinion on politics
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SNIP :banghead
Enough with the baiting and insults
I have removed the posts that have been reported and those that contributed to the baiting
Stick the the topic in a respectful way
If people cannot do that then suspensions under the 3 strikes policy will be issued
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The Sports Rorts affair rears it's ugly head again.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/23/sports-grants-tennis-club-launches-legal-challenge-to-bridget-mckenzies-handling-of-scheme (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/23/sports-grants-tennis-club-launches-legal-challenge-to-bridget-mckenzies-handling-of-scheme)
Lawyers for a tennis club denied a grant under the $100m community sport infrastructure program have launched a legal challenge against Sport Australia and Bridget McKenzie’s administration of the scheme.
In an application, filed on Thursday, Maurice Blackburn acting for the Beechworth Lawn Tennis Club asks the federal court to quash Sport Australia’s rejection and order it to reconsider giving the club a grant.
Maurice Blackburn principal Josh Bornstein said the application “is a test case that will determine whether Sport Australia acted unlawfully when awarding funds”.
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/homebuilder-package-most-effective-stimulus-in-a-decade/news-story/bb8eee9f142a0c876f291b5a4e3a19b9
Wow an effective policy that hasn't cost lives. A nice change around here. PM delivering again.
Enjoy the read 65
The take-up rate of the federal government’s $688m HomeBuilder program could underwrite up to half all new expected dwellings in the housing market over six months, with the building industry saying some regions were recording highest activity levels in a decade.
The projections come as the housing sector on Monday recorded a 77 per cent jump in new home sales for June, the same month the scheme launched offering $25,000 grants for people to build new homes or substantially renovate.
The Master Builders Association has reported that in the past four weeks, activity in the sector had returned to pre-COVID-19 levels, saying the package had delivered the “most effective stimulus in decades”.
The Housing Industry Association said on Monday that without government intervention, the contraction could have cost up to half a million jobs in the second half of 2020.
The Australian understands almost 40,000 people have registered for HomeBuilder grants since the scheme was launched by Assistant Treasurer Michael Sukkar on June 4.
Treasury modelling originally forecast the program would support 21,000 new home builds and 7000 renovations or “rebuilds”.
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While not all registrations will translate into approvals, Treasury expects the original forecasts to be significantly exceeded
The economic shutdown had threatened to slash new home builds from the average 175,000 a year to as low as 100,000 because of the COVID-19 shutdown.
Master Builders Association chief executive Denita Wawn told The Australian: “Just today I been told by industry veterans who head some of the largest home building businesses in the country that this is the most effective government stimulus that they have seen in decades in the industry.
“Reports from members are backing this up on daily basis.
“Builders (who) have been doing it tough for years say they have had the best month in terms of sales since the GFC.
“State and local governments need to get cracking getting HomeBuilder applications processes up and running, fast-tracking land releases, land titles and planning approvals so we can get more people into their own home and keep builders and tradies working.”
Ben and Elise Keeler hope to use HomeBuilder to build their first family home. The Perth couple purchased a house and land package, through local developer Cedar Woods, in June, soon after the package was announced, in Bushmead, west of the airport.
The extra grant offered by the state government as a sweetener to build a new home will see the Keelers ahead $45,000 when the home begins construction in coming months.
“It is like a mini Lotto win. It takes the load off a bit,” Mr Keeler said. “We were looking at established homes but began looking into the grants and decided to build. We’re looking forward to getting out of the rent trap.
“We have a young family and we want to bring them up in our own home where we don’t have to worry about rental inspections and can paint the little girl’s room pink if we want to.”
Mr Sukkar said the latest HIA data showed HomeBuilder was doing “exactly what it was intended to do — generate immediate construction activity that will engage tradies straight away”.
“HomeBuilder is about encouraging those who may have pulled back from undertaking a new build or substantial rebuild in March when the pandemic hit,” he said.
The head of one of the county’s largest construction companies, ABN Group chief executive Dale Alcock, said it had dragged Western Australia out of a five-year slump with an immediate pick-up in activity. “There has been frantic activity … anyone who qualifies has come out of the woodwork,” he said. “It’s been an amazing response. This is one of those industries that rides a rollercoaster … we were coming off a very low base. But the response has been a bit overwhelming … it’s a great problem to have.
“We are waiting to see four weeks on if we are going to see a moderation of inquiries.”
The HIA said there needed to be several more months of data to demonstrate whether the pick-up would be sustained.
The program has also faced criticism from Labor which called for more investment in social housing.
HIA chief economist Tim Reardon said the rebound in new home sales in June did not fully offset the dismal results of the preceding three months and “we are cautious of over-interpreting data from a single month”.
“Additional sales data from July and August will be necessary before drawing accurate estimates
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Somebody else thinks Scotty from Marketing is incompetent.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/complacent-government-delivers-early-shock-therapy-to-prepare-public-for-cuts-20200723-p55ew1.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/complacent-government-delivers-early-shock-therapy-to-prepare-public-for-cuts-20200723-p55ew1.html)
Sorry, but this is the economic statement of a government that’s complacent about controlling the coronavirus and about getting a million unemployed people back to work. It sees its job as largely done. Now it’s time to quickly wind back its spending on supporting the economy and call for the bill.
You can tell Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Treasurer Josh Frydenberg decided this before the extent of the setbacks in Victoria and NSW became fully apparent. They have assumed that after the six-week lockdown in Melbourne, everything will be fine again.
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The Age is anothe socialist rag.
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Somebody else thinks Scotty from Marketing is incompetent.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/complacent-government-delivers-early-shock-therapy-to-prepare-public-for-cuts-20200723-p55ew1.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/complacent-government-delivers-early-shock-therapy-to-prepare-public-for-cuts-20200723-p55ew1.html)
Sorry, but this is the economic statement of a government that’s complacent about controlling the coronavirus and about getting a million unemployed people back to work. It sees its job as largely done. Now it’s time to quickly wind back its spending on supporting the economy and call for the bill.
You can tell Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Treasurer Josh Frydenberg decided this before the extent of the setbacks in Victoria and NSW became fully apparent. They have assumed that after the six-week lockdown in Melbourne, everything will be fine again.
All this hatred for Scomo but not one critical word to say about DanTheMan and his handling of the hotels security fiasco that is the actual cause of this second wave in Victoria?
Now that we have had deaths in Victoria of people contracting Covid 19 because of this second wave, will anyone on this forum that generally supports Labor say anything about how DanTheMan has royally stuffed up and because it has resulted in deaths?
I’ve heard nothing from any of you labor cheerleaders.
What do you think of the performance of DanTheMan ‘65?
How has he performed during this period?
Do you think he should resign?
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More political corruption this time in SA.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-26/three-sa-ministers-step-down-amid-state-expenses-scandal/12493060 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-26/three-sa-ministers-step-down-amid-state-expenses-scandal/12493060)
Three South Australian ministers and the state's Legislative Council President have resigned over the State Government's expenses saga.
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meanwhile andrews and his mates continue to put people in coffins and steal from the public
what a bunch of crooks
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Somebody else thinks Scotty from Marketing is incompetent.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/complacent-government-delivers-early-shock-therapy-to-prepare-public-for-cuts-20200723-p55ew1.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/complacent-government-delivers-early-shock-therapy-to-prepare-public-for-cuts-20200723-p55ew1.html)
Sorry, but this is the economic statement of a government that’s complacent about controlling the coronavirus and about getting a million unemployed people back to work. It sees its job as largely done. Now it’s time to quickly wind back its spending on supporting the economy and call for the bill.
You can tell Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Treasurer Josh Frydenberg decided this before the extent of the setbacks in Victoria and NSW became fully apparent. They have assumed that after the six-week lockdown in Melbourne, everything will be fine again.
All this hatred for Scomo but not one critical word to say about DanTheMan and his handling of the hotels security fiasco that is the actual cause of this second wave in Victoria?
Now that we have had deaths in Victoria of people contracting Covid 19 because of this second wave, will anyone on this forum that generally supports Labor say anything about how DanTheMan has royally stuffed up and because it has resulted in deaths?
I’ve heard nothing from any of you labor cheerleaders.
What do you think of the performance of DanTheMan ‘65?
How has he performed during this period?
Do you think he should resign?
haha come on Tigeritis, havent you learnt by now? il answer on their behalf Tigeritis because they have gone missing, which is better than admitting the following.
"I have nothing to say because i was wrong, Dan is a fraud, a crook and will go down as the worst premier this state has ever seen. Thats if if you count deaths by way of incompetence on a scale never seen before, and making deals with China as major issues.
"i was wrong in defending him in the adem somyurek affair. This was after Dan brought him back into the party after Adem assaulted a female member of the alp, then another member of his staff"
"I was wrong in defending the alp because they themselves were once again involved in corruption. No biggy though they all do it so lets just rank deception and see who comes out on top.
"I was wrong because i said Scomo was worse than Abbott, and certainly not as great as dan the man.
"I was wrong when i paid out on Scomo and his crew for the first Q of 2020, for having a few days off, waving his hands in church and considering going to a rugby beach"
"I was wrong in going the early crow and stating dan was doing a great job, all before he told scomo he didnt ADF help as it would have meant his union mates didnt get paid"
"I have nothing to say because you know BLM matter and my old mate Dan only let us know it was a bad decision late in the week as you know he probably enjoyed the build up and the BLM cause."
Finally, i was wrong and scomo aint that bad, but give it a month or 2. I will be back when he has screwed something up and pick up where we left off. When that happens i will dismiss the errors made by the alp which once again has resulted in unfortunate deaths.
think that covers off everything Tiger.
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God help us all.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-s-inspiration-from-thatcher-reagan-has-merit-economists-20200726-p55fkv.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-s-inspiration-from-thatcher-reagan-has-merit-economists-20200726-p55fkv.html)
The inspiration Treasurer Josh Frydenberg draws from Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan will scare Australian workers according to Labor, but some business leaders and economists argue policies championed by conservative leaders are not without merit.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-27/economic-reform-must-improve-lives-of-all-australians/12493668 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-27/economic-reform-must-improve-lives-of-all-australians/12493668)
Half a century of "trickle-down economics" has seen wealth flourish at the top, graphically illustrated last week when Tesla founder Elon Musk secured a $US2.1 billion ($2.93 billion) bonus (https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/07/22/musk-now-the-worlds-fifth-richest-person-unlocks-second-part-of-55-billion-bonus-package/#25e53c107d29) just as the ranks of America's unemployed swelled to 30 million.
While Australia remains a far more egalitarian society, several million, through no fault of their own, suddenly have found themselves being supported by the state for the first time.
Their lives have been thrown into turmoil.
Their future, and that of their families, is deeply uncertain.
The idea they will willingly embrace a push for lower wages and greater employment uncertainty, or flexibility as it euphemistically is called, at the next election is the stuff of pure fantasy.
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Those tax cuts (for the rich)
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/trickle-down-fantasy-stimulus-tax-cuts-face-fresh-attack-as-28b-cost-revealed-20200726-p55fiz.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/trickle-down-fantasy-stimulus-tax-cuts-face-fresh-attack-as-28b-cost-revealed-20200726-p55fiz.html)
Faster tax cuts for millions of workers would cost up to $28 billion over the next three years, according to a parliamentary analysis that escalates a row over whether the Morrison government should embrace the plan.
The tax cuts would cost at least $12 billion in their first year if the government acted on Liberal calls to bring forward the changes to lift economic growth.
Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has confirmed the moves are on the agenda for the federal budget due in October, saying they could help improve household spending at a time when aggregate demand is under pressure.
Mr Frydenberg said he took inspiration from former United States president Ronald Reagan and former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, telling the ABC's Insiders on Sunday they "cut red tape and cut taxes and delivered stronger economies".
The analysis – prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office at the request of the Greens – offers the first detail on the likely cost of the contentious plan. The Greens are calling for the money to be spent on people without jobs or on stimulus measures such as social housing.
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Cuts tax should be limited. Negative gearing should be abolished beyond a 2nd property investment, ie you can negative gear up to 2 properties then no more, middle class welfare should be slashed and hand outs to new migrants should be stopped. Dole bludgers who have been on the dole for 3 consecutive years should have there benefits stopped and the ABC should be privatised to raise money for the govt. Morrison is a great leader.
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You make several good points. Don't agree with the last statement. 😁
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How do you define a dole bludger, Rampsy? I'd agree with stopping payments for those who are proven to be rorting the system but believe it or not, there are those on the Government teet who are actually having a go but having no luck for a number of reasons. Tough one imo.
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If ya can't feed 'em don't breed 'em... :shh
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We have a massive problem in Victoria's Aged care system. Currently 60% of COVID-19 deaths are in this sector.
What we needed was better funding and tighter regulation.
And guess who is responsible for that. Scotty from Marketing.
Interesting article
https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/ardern-s-40th-birthday-present-sky-high-polls-20200727-p55fse.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/ardern-s-40th-birthday-present-sky-high-polls-20200727-p55fse.html)
The Morrison government’s "take the credit/deflect blame’ shtick is wearing thin. After all, the Commonwealth has ultimate responsibility for Australia’s border security – spelt out in the constitution, Quarantine Act (1908) and Biosecurity Act (2015).
A global pandemic ought to have demanded hyper-stringent oversight of returning citizens – especially once COVID became a ‘known event’ – and a far lengthier period of quarantine. Divisive rhetoric aside, Morrison’s political hero, John Howard, was right to assert in 2001 that “we decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come”. It begs the question, however: why didn’t this rule apply to infected returnees or stopping that one, all-important boat?
Then there is private aged care – unquestionably the regulatory domain of the Commonwealth. The crisis playing out in the sector is the direct result of operators prioritising profits ahead of health and safety – of elderly residents and staff. Here and across our economy the chickens of insecure employment have come home to roost. Possibly contagious casual workers are going to work because, in the absence of sick leave, they believe there is no other choice for their families. COVID is many things, yet with workplace transmissions accounting for 80 per cent of all cases, this pandemic is a workplace virus, hurting the poor, especially migrants.
Again, this is a Commonwealth responsibility. It is jarring to hear Frydenberg talk up workplace deregulation as “first cab off the rank”, while the health and economic imperative of paid pandemic leave for isolating workers sits in the too hard basket. By contrast, the Victorian government is providing payments to insecurely employed workers forced to self-quarantine after testing positive for COVID or close contacts of a confirmed case, and workers awaiting results without access to paid leave.
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all roads lead to one disgraceful man and his team of misfits. Listen to the inquiry footage. We all know where it started and now they do also.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/public-servants-were-pulled-from-overseeing-hotel-quarantine-over-safety-fears-20200727-p55fvk.html?fbclid=IwAR39BgE7AcdYYJ_Nalf9PgE5Dk2MyMigOBrApJLd4g_esmW6jTw7CJ55AM4#comments
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all roads lead to one disgraceful man and his team of misfits. Listen to the inquiry footage. We all know where it started and now they do also.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/public-servants-were-pulled-from-overseeing-hotel-quarantine-over-safety-fears-20200727-p55fvk.html?fbclid=IwAR39BgE7AcdYYJ_Nalf9PgE5Dk2MyMigOBrApJLd4g_esmW6jTw7CJ55AM4#comments (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/public-servants-were-pulled-from-overseeing-hotel-quarantine-over-safety-fears-20200727-p55fvk.html?fbclid=IwAR39BgE7AcdYYJ_Nalf9PgE5Dk2MyMigOBrApJLd4g_esmW6jTw7CJ55AM4#comments)
Did you actually read this article?
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Now Greg Hunt is having a sook.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-victoria-braces-for-more-deaths-as-nsw-clusters-grow-australian-death-toll-stands-at-161-20200727-p55fyz.html
Emotional Hunt says he will not 'hear a word against' aged care nurses
By Mary Ward
Health Minister Greg Hunt has said he will not "hear a word against" aged care nurses in Victoria, saying that it is a dangerous and inaccurate statement to say the cases in Victorian facilities are a consequence of anything other than high levels of transmission in the community.
"My father lived in [an aged care facility], and we knew that that meant he was in the latest stages of his life," Mr Hunt said, visibly emotional.
"I cannot imagine better care that my family and my father could have got, and I speak, I think, for hundreds of thousands of families around the country.
"The idea that our carers, that our nurses, are not providing that care, I think, is a dangerous statement to make, they are wonderful human beings. And I won't hear a word against them."
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Most of them aren't nurses, they're just care assistants.
There's maybe 1 nurse/shift for 30-100+ residents.
Registered nurses are now manning the posts at the nursing homes to clean up their messes.
Not the carers' fault. They are so under resourced it's criminal!
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Most of them aren't nurses, they're just care assistants.
There's maybe 1 nurse/shift for 30-100+ residents.
Registered nurses are now manning the posts at the nursing homes to clean up their messes.
Not the carers' fault. They are so under resourced it's criminal!
Exactly my point. 👍
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This from NEWS corp.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/why-jobseeker-jobkeeper-reductions-could-cause-economic-crisis/news-story/ef34055edd63ec13d552e5e8d20b746e (https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/why-jobseeker-jobkeeper-reductions-could-cause-economic-crisis/news-story/ef34055edd63ec13d552e5e8d20b746e)
The worst is coming. There’s a fiscal cliff on the horizon for the economy and it will affect everyday Aussies and big businesses alike.
It’s not just JobKeeper. There is also a cut in the JobSeeker supplement. The maximum payment was an extra $550 on top of the usual unemployment payment, Now it will be just $250. That’s going to hurt spending in the economy, and it won’t just kick in once the payment is cut. People are likely to start saving their welfare payments now, to help them cover the fall.
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Thats a normal reaction IMO.
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If ya can't feed 'em don't breed 'em... :shh
When youre writing this stuff are you laughing as your typing. I just wanna know coz this is very decent comedy imo.
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JobSeeker is another well thought out plan that ScoMo has delivered on. There are jobs out there so go and find one. If not that should be enough to live on, if not go and rent somewhere cheaper or move back with your parents.
Not the commonwealths issue. Too many dole bludgers out there and not genuine unemployment types who I feel sorry for.
ScoMo performance has shown why he was voted in, and will be around for a long time yet.
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HomeBuilder program changes.
A great program this one. Middle class welfare that helps shore up Scotty from Marketing's voter base.
Except...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/new-homebuilder-guidelines-reveal-2022-timeline-buyer-beware/news-story/9a8a680a2a304ba2531c6a7e4c62abee (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/new-homebuilder-guidelines-reveal-2022-timeline-buyer-beware/news-story/9a8a680a2a304ba2531c6a7e4c62abee)
Australians hoping to get the $25,000 HomeBuilder grant could be waiting years for the cash after guidelines for the scheme were updated Tuesday.
In one of the biggest updates since the program was announced over a month ago, the Victorian State Revenue Office released key updates and a few warnings.
Buyers risk missing the grant if their builder takes on more work than is “reasonable” or they quit contracts signed before June 4 hoping to cash in.
They also confirm applicants will be shelling out thousands of dollars in their own money before they receive the grant and indicate off-the-plan unit buyers will wait until their name is on the title to be paid.
As a result, the federal government could still be making HomeBuilder payments to buyers at large-scale developments and apartment towers until October 31, 2022.
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stating the obvious. Dont like it then dont reply? or answer the questions posed instead of dismissing it
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All hail Caesar.
Interesting article (pro Morrison I think) that is worth a read
It finishes with this:
So at the end of a week where a panicking Trump was toying with the idea of delaying the US election, Morrison continues his evolution from Trumpian tribal warrior to unifying national leader. Which is, needless to say, a supreme relief for Australia's national interest.
Which Morrison will emerge post-pandemic? There is an old stand-by for journalists who have to report on an unfinished event: only time will tell.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-ascent-of-scott-morrison-from-trump-s-mini-me-to-national-leader-20200731-p55hbc.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-ascent-of-scott-morrison-from-trump-s-mini-me-to-national-leader-20200731-p55hbc.html)
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Scott Morrison has impressed with his comments about Dan Andrews.
Time enough for playing politics after we get through this pandemic.
Hope all on the forum are travelling well.
65
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Thats because he is a man of integrity, unlike the scum at the alp who bent him over during the bushfires
Hypocrites, and we have a few on here too who really should be apologizing for comments made earlier this year during the other crisis
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I see different rules apply to Mikakos and friends.
No masks required.
Here I thought Gillard was the worst female politician. Apologies to her as this woman takes the cake.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/you-re-a-disgrace-opposition-fury-as-mikakos-bats-away-questions-20200804-p55ifi.html
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Have to say I am very happy that Vic has finally told people who are isolating that they cannot leave them homes to exercise.
The idea that positive C19 people would leave their home to exercise (including running + cycling without a mask on) is a disgrace.
Far too slow to close that loophole!
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bsolutely criminal what Andrews team has done to this state.
He will go very close to getting booted out, though in jail would be more preferential but he is protected by priviledge..
The good news is that Scomo is the direct beneficiary and will be our PM for many years to come. Albanese is our version of Joe Biden, and has next to no chance. Poor bloke can barely string 2 words together
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=289045955658169
Nothing to see her Mikakos, move along now. How she still has a job is increedible, though its the alp we are talking about here and nearly 200 deaths, no big deal.
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/security-guards-hired-for-hotel-quarantine-in-an-attempt-at-social-inclusion-20200807-p55jlz.html
You know your in trouble when the age is reporting the truth.
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Yeah but Russel Crowe just said Chairman Dan is doing a good job so everything's ok now... :shh
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Thoughts on the feds giving $10,000,000 to their mates at Foxtel out of the C19 relief fund?
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Thoughts on the feds giving $10,000,000 to their mates at Foxtel out of the C19 relief fund?
source?
This can't be correct, can it?
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https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/08/06/10-million-foxtel-handout-came-from-covid-recovery-funds/
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Nothing to see here?
Remember it was the cover-up not the crime that was Nixon's downfall.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/09/ruby-princess-gladys-berejiklian-refuses-calls-to-extend-inquiry-to-hear-from-official-who-refused-to-appear (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/09/ruby-princess-gladys-berejiklian-refuses-calls-to-extend-inquiry-to-hear-from-official-who-refused-to-appear)
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Resorting to deflection now to other states.
:lol :lol
Still waiting on answers from Dan. “I am accountable” Andrews. This is Victoria and deaths are piling up
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Resorting to deflection now to other states.
Still waiting on answers from Dan. “I am accountable” Andrews. This is Victoria and deaths are piling up
You, once again, have missed the point.
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/security-guards-hired-for-hotel-quarantine-in-an-attempt-at-social-inclusion-20200807-p55jlz.html
You know your in trouble when the age is reporting the truth.
I know when I did my 2 weeks quarantine I didn’t see a white staff member
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Security has always been about 90% coloured in my opinion, and I used to work in a locked adult psychiatric unit. Done plenty of work with them.
The idea that they were hired for the colour of their skin would be like suggesting that hospitals only hire female nurses so that women feel included - any anybody who believes that nonsense is a fool!
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I find The Age/Fairfax quite amusing...all "woke" & leftist but so clearly aimed at an upper-middle class white audience.... :shh
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Jacinda Ardern is looking at an easy victory in the upcoming NZ election.
Maybe it is time Australia looked at a female PM.
Marisa Payne from The Libs or Penny Wong from the Labor party. Forget the Nats with Bridget McKenzie(ugh) leading the pack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern)
Ardern is riding high in the polls – as is the Labour party – on the back of her stewardship of the country’s Covid-19 response. Her strong position has been aided by troubles within the opposition National party, which is heading into September’s election with its third leader in as many months.
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Jacinda Ardern is looking at an easy victory in the upcoming NZ election.
Maybe it is time Australia looked at a female PM.
Marisa Payne from The Libs or Penny Wong from the Labor party. Forget the Nats with Bridget McKenzie(ugh) leading the pack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern)
Ardern is riding high in the polls – as is the Labour party – on the back of her stewardship of the country’s Covid-19 response. Her strong position has been aided by troubles within the opposition National party, which is heading into September’s election with its third leader in as many months.
Hows her economy going over there?
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Jacinda Ardern is looking at an easy victory in the upcoming NZ election.
Maybe it is time Australia looked at a female PM.
Marisa Payne from The Libs or Penny Wong from the Labor party. Forget the Nats with Bridget McKenzie(ugh) leading the pack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern)
Ardern is riding high in the polls – as is the Labour party – on the back of her stewardship of the country’s Covid-19 response. Her strong position has been aided by troubles within the opposition National party, which is heading into September’s election with its third leader in as many months.
Hows her economy going over there?
How's anybody's economy going?
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Jacinda Ardern is looking at an easy victory in the upcoming NZ election.
Maybe it is time Australia looked at a female PM.
Marisa Payne from The Libs or Penny Wong from the Labor party. Forget the Nats with Bridget McKenzie(ugh) leading the pack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern)
Ardern is riding high in the polls – as is the Labour party – on the back of her stewardship of the country’s Covid-19 response. Her strong position has been aided by troubles within the opposition National party, which is heading into September’s election with its third leader in as many months.
Hows her economy going over there?
How's anybody's economy going?
Some better than others
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Jacinda Ardern is looking at an easy victory in the upcoming NZ election.
Maybe it is time Australia looked at a female PM.
Marisa Payne from The Libs or Penny Wong from the Labor party. Forget the Nats with Bridget McKenzie(ugh) leading the pack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/can-anything-stop-the-high-flying-jacinda-ardern)
Ardern is riding high in the polls – as is the Labour party – on the back of her stewardship of the country’s Covid-19 response. Her strong position has been aided by troubles within the opposition National party, which is heading into September’s election with its third leader in as many months.
Hows her economy going over there?
How's anybody's economy going?
Some better than others
Too true.
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Arden will win this election with her eyes closed as Scotty will down here.
Both are as popular as they ever been. Unfortunately Dan the man will struggle to scrape home with 250 deaths in his beloved state.
What a legacy. Liberal voters will not be voting for him next time that is a certainty
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Resorting to deflection now to other states.
Still waiting on answers from Dan. “I am accountable” Andrews. This is Victoria and deaths are piling up
You, once again, have missed the point.
Nope read it again. Still deflecting and refusing to discuss dans performance
Says a lot though so all good
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Nope read it again. Still deflecting and refusing to discuss dans performance
Says a lot though so all good
So I need to comment on Dan Andrews because you demand I do so.
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Yes
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Yes
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Genesis
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King Crimson
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Emerson, Lake & Palmer
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Time to forget about Dan and Scotty.(they are both responsible for mistakes made)
Time to talk about political ideology.
The Liberal party is a party of free enterprise and profit making. The Labor party is much more for the worker and proper regulations.
Take the aged care sector as an example, The Victorian aged care public sector(run by the Victorian government) has currently got 6 COVID19 cases. The private sector by comparison has over 1900 COVID19 cases. (and many more deaths as a result)
The difference?
One is well regulated, well staffed and well trained and the other is a run for profit system.
FACT.
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Still waiting....
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Still waiting....
Sorry just caught up with this. What you waiting for?
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Time to forget about Dan and Scotty.(they are both responsible for mistakes made)
Time to talk about political ideology.
The Liberal party is a party of free enterprise and profit making. The Labor party is much more for the worker and proper regulations.
Take the aged care sector as an example, The Victorian aged care public sector(run by the Victorian government) has currently got 6 COVID19 cases. The private sector by comparison has over 1900 COVID19 cases. (and many more deaths as a result)
The difference?
One is well regulated, well staffed and well trained and the other is a run for profit system.
FACT.
Anybody like to back me up here?
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Time to forget about Dan and Scotty.(they are both responsible for mistakes made)
Time to talk about political ideology.
The Liberal party is a party of free enterprise and profit making. The Labor party is much more for the worker and proper regulations.
Take the aged care sector as an example, The Victorian aged care public sector(run by the Victorian government) has currently got 6 COVID19 cases. The private sector by comparison has over 1900 COVID19 cases. (and many more deaths as a result)
The difference?
One is well regulated, well staffed and well trained and the other is a run for profit system.
FACT.
Anybody like to back me up here?
You are correct about the nursing homes. Private ones are 30x more likely to catch C19. Some of their administration may (hopefully) face criminal charges.
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the aged care administrators to face charges Andy, which they should, but dan andrews and Mikakos to have a job at the end of this or do we forget where this is all started?
Give me a break please
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the aged care administrators to face charges Andy, which they should, but dan andrews and Mikakos to have a job at the end of this or do we forget where this is all started?
Give me a break please
Please give me a break.
It didn't start with the Victorian government. It started because the Federal government didn't lock down our borders quickly enough.
Yes the hotel quarintine fiasco didn't help but the Ruby Princess stuff up didn't help either.
And the nursing home mess has caused a lot of deaths as well. The Federal government is responsible for the under regulated, poorly trained and under staffed private nursing homes.
Dan Andrews has said he will take responsibility for the mistakes made. Something Scotty from Marketing hasn't done. Quite the opposite in fact.
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:lol didnt help no worries professor sutton "likely that all cases came from quarantine"
like i said still waiting............while i wait have a read of your mate Mikakos article where she says she is very unclucky
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:lol didnt help no worries professor sutton "likely that all cases came from quarantine"
like i said still waiting............while i wait have a read of your mate Mikakos article where she says she is very unclucky
Why is she my mate?
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Shes a comrade 65. That makes her a mate of yours.
Labor Lefty Comrades till the end.
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Shes a comrade 65. That makes her a mate of yours.
Labor Lefty Comrades till the end.
Why insist I'm a Labor person. Where's your proof.
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:lol didnt help no worries professor sutton "likely that all cases came from quarantine"
like i said still waiting............while i wait have a read of your mate Mikakos article where she says she is very unclucky
Why is she my mate?
Still waiting for an answer.
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Shes a comrade 65. That makes her a mate of yours.
Labor Lefty Comrades till the end.
Why insist I'm a Labor person. Where's your proof.
Only proof I can think of is the 1523 posts you have made under different names in this thread alone
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Shes a comrade 65. That makes her a mate of yours.
Labor Lefty Comrades till the end.
Why insist I'm a Labor person. Where's your proof.
Only proof I can think of is the 1523 posts you have made under different names in this thread alone
A bit of a stretch methinks.
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Shes a comrade 65. That makes her a mate of yours.
Labor Lefty Comrades till the end.
Why insist I'm a Labor person. Where's your proof.
Only proof I can think of is the 1523 posts you have made under different names in this thread alone
:lol
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didnt help no worries professor sutton "likely that all cases came from quarantine"
like i said still waiting............while i wait have a read of your mate Mikakos article where she says she is very unclucky
Why is she my mate?
Still waiting for an answer.
Still waiting
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the aged care administrators to face charges Andy, which they should, but dan andrews and Mikakos to have a job at the end of this or do we forget where this is all started?
Give me a break please
I think they'll lose the election.
Give you a break about what? You think private aged care organisations should be given a reprieve?
It's horrendous. My own staff are managing one of them. The lack of training and resources is absurd - same as the hotel fiasco. However once you remove C19 from the equation there are still several communicable illnesses that run rampant in these facilities, just without the media spotlight.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/14/its-called-jobkeeper-for-a-reason-morrison-responds-to-companies-subsidising-dividends?CMP=soc_567
Waste of money. Scali paying $2.5kk to himself fmd
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Australians should boycott companies that do this crap. Boycott them and put them out of business.
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Australians should boycott companies that do this crap. Boycott them and put them out of business.
Hear hear!
The lack of oversight is perplexing and to be honest I didn't think possible.
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Scotty from Marketing's HomeBuilder scheme.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/15/coalitions-homebuilder-scheme-attracts-less-than-250-applicants-and-no-payments-have-been-made (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/15/coalitions-homebuilder-scheme-attracts-less-than-250-applicants-and-no-payments-have-been-made)
Coalition's homebuilder scheme attracts fewer than 250 applicants and 'no payments have been made'
Fewer than 250 people have applied for the Morrison government’s homebuilder scheme, officials have revealed, despite the hype from an industry association that it was the “most effective stimulus in decades”.
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The Guardian is a 2nd hand leftist
Rag that no one reads because its commie newsletter based propaganda too for the ALP and their
Dodgy union mates.
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What is Scotty from Marketing hiding now?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/national-cabinet-documents-might-not-be-available-to-state-hotel-inquiry-20200814-p55lu3.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/national-cabinet-documents-might-not-be-available-to-state-hotel-inquiry-20200814-p55lu3.html)
A controversial Federal Government decision to assert cabinet confidentiality over discussions between the Prime Minister and state leaders in national cabinet will likely prevent Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry from accessing the highest level discussions about the program.
As the board of inquiry team headed by former state coroner Jennifer Coate sorts through more than 100,000 Victorian departmental documents, a constitutional fight is brewing over the Commonwealth’s position.
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Must be something they don't want heard
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Must be something they don't want heard
Indeed!
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the aged care administrators to face charges Andy, which they should, but dan andrews and Mikakos to have a job at the end of this or do we forget where this is all started?
Give me a break please
I think they'll lose the election.
Give you a break about what? You think private aged care organisations should be given a reprieve?
It's horrendous. My own staff are managing one of them. The lack of training and resources is absurd - same as the hotel fiasco. However once you remove C19 from the equation there are still several communicable illnesses that run rampant in these facilities, just without the media spotlight.
so they bloody should. The honorable thing to do would be to see covid out and walk. My question was what do you think should happen, not what you think will. Stop deflecting comrade.
Also who said they should get a reprieve? i said they should face charges :banghead. My point is and has been all along is where did the second wave start. Start from what sutton said there and work our way down to aged care.
FWIW my cousins runs one on Punt Road and its of high quality, with no issues.
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My dads in aged care not one case throughhout the
period of covid. Its about the management and staff. If they followed the rules they wouldnt have issues but unfortunately some put profit before the elderly. They should be taken over by the commonwealth. Any operator who has done the wrong thing should be shut down.
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You have missed the point. The Federally run centres were poorly regulated.
The centres did nothing wrong. They did not expect the pandemic. The feds should have but didn't.
The political ideology of the Libs is profit and free enterprise driven.
The scariest thing is that even now they are talking about further deregulation of the the labour market.
UNBELIEVABLE
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You have missed the point. The Federally run centres were poorly regulated.
The centres did nothing wrong. They did not expect the pandemic. The feds should have but didn't.
The political ideology of the Libs is profit and free enterprise driven.
The scariest thing is that even now they are talking about further deregulation of the the labour market.
UNBELIEVABLE
To say the centres did nothing wrong is total and absolute rubbish.
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You have missed the point. The Federally run centres were poorly regulated.
The centres did nothing wrong. They did not expect the pandemic. The feds should have but didn't.
The political ideology of the Libs is profit and free enterprise driven.
The scariest thing is that even now they are talking about further deregulation of the the labour market.
UNBELIEVABLE
To say the centres did nothing wrong is total and absolute rubbish.
They were ill prepared, under regulated and the staff were under qualified. None of this was their fault. The Feds stuffed up. The proof? Look at the state run centres. Almost no infections or deaths.
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My dads in aged care not one case throughhout the
period of covid. Its about the management and staff. If they followed the rules they wouldnt have issues but unfortunately some put profit before the elderly. They should be taken over by the commonwealth. Any operator who has done the wrong thing should be shut down.
As you know I no longer post in this thread and offer any form of opinion but I still read it
But forgive me Ramps, you've confused me
You said Aged Care Centres should be taken over by the Commonwealth
Aged Care in this country is already the responsibility of the Commonwealth (Fed Govt). Aged Care was privatised by the Howard govt. But the overall responsibility to ensure they are managed and run correctly falls with the Commonwealth
Issues in the Aged Care sector have been there for a considerable amount of time. Hence, why there is currently a Royal Commission into Aged Care going on now. COVID19, has only highlighted further shortcomings in that system and that is why it is the focus of the RC now.
Victoria is the only State that retained and continues to manage a number (small) of Aged Care facilities. But the majority are privately owned and run.
So I'm just trying understand what you mean by the Commonwealth should take them over?
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Private operators have done the wrong thing. Individual operators select and recruit cheap staff. They do it to maximise profit. Poorly trained staff cant be blamed on the government. Its 100% the fault of the operators looking to profit. Its these centres that need to be taken over by government. My dads centre hasnt had 1 case. Centre is properly managed and rules are enforced re covid. All these other places have implemented failed policies or failed to enforce rules resulting in deaths and covid outbreaks. Thats the fault of those individual operators not the government and its those operators that should be run out of the industry.
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Private operators have done the wrong thing. Individual operators select and recruit cheap staff. They do it to maximise profit. Poorly trained staff cant be blamed on the government. Its 100% the fault of the operators looking to profit. Its these centres that need to be taken over by government. My dads centre hasnt had 1 case. Centre is properly managed and rules are enforced re covid. All these other places have implemented failed policies or failed to enforce rules resulting in deaths and covid outbreaks. Thats the fault of those individual operators not the government and its those operators that should be run out of the industry.
Thanks got your point now
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the aged care administrators to face charges Andy, which they should, but dan andrews and Mikakos to have a job at the end of this or do we forget where this is all started?
Give me a break please
I think they'll lose the election.
Give you a break about what? You think private aged care organisations should be given a reprieve?
It's horrendous. My own staff are managing one of them. The lack of training and resources is absurd - same as the hotel fiasco. However once you remove C19 from the equation there are still several communicable illnesses that run rampant in these facilities, just without the media spotlight.
so they bloody should. The honorable thing to do would be to see covid out and walk. My question was what do you think should happen, not what you think will. Stop deflecting comrade.
Also who said they should get a reprieve? i said they should face charges :banghead. My point is and has been all along is where did the second wave start. Start from what sutton said there and work our way down to aged care.
FWIW my cousins runs one on Punt Road and its of high quality, with no issues.
Not deflecting at all. I think they'll lose the election, which clearly indicates that I think they should see out their term. Plenty of time to do good work afterwards. Whether or not Andrews is the right person for the job will depend a lot on the inquiry for me.
As for the wave, yes is clearly started in the hotel. Could have stopped several times before (China onwards) or after (community compliance with restrictions and precautions etc). Interesting though that the only people you seem to want held accountable for the pandemic is the Labor party?
Genuine question - do you think having a Lib state government would have had any major impact on the current situation? Any evidence to suggest this would be the case or just hindsight?
Didn't see anyone complaining about the lack of ADF support at quarantine before wave 2.
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Private operators have done the wrong thing. Individual operators select and recruit cheap staff. They do it to maximise profit. Poorly trained staff cant be blamed on the government. Its 100% the fault of the operators looking to profit.
It can and should be blamed on the Federal government. They set the regulations that govern staffing ratios, training requirements etc. Individual operators are working within existing laws set down by the Federal Government. Can you not see this or are you just in denial re Scotty from Marketing's complicity in this disaster?
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Private operators have done the wrong thing. Individual operators select and recruit cheap staff. They do it to maximise profit. Poorly trained staff cant be blamed on the government. Its 100% the fault of the operators looking to profit.
It can and should be blamed on the Federal government. They set the regulations that govern staffing ratios, training requirements etc. Individual operators are working within existing laws set down by the Federal Government. Can you not see this or are you just in denial re Scotty from Marketing's complicity in this disaster?
What about poorly trained security guards handling a hotel quarantine? Can we blame the government?
Or do we blame the private operator who was contracted to do a better job? ;)
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Private operators have done the wrong thing. Individual operators select and recruit cheap staff. They do it to maximise profit. Poorly trained staff cant be blamed on the government. Its 100% the fault of the operators looking to profit.
It can and should be blamed on the Federal government. They set the regulations that govern staffing ratios, training requirements etc. Individual operators are working within existing laws set down by the Federal Government. Can you not see this or are you just in denial re Scotty from Marketing's complicity in this disaster?
What about poorly trained security guards handling a hotel quarantine? Can we blame the government?
Or do we blame the private operator who was contracted to do a better job?
It all depends on the set of regulations hotel quarantine operators were supposed to follow. If the regulations are there it is the private operators fault. If the regulations are not there or not rigorous enough it is the Government's fault.
In the case of the Nursing homes the guidelines are faulty and hence the government's fault.
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well 4 corners, statements from disease experts, herald sun, age, guardian rag all point toward one thing, and it aint an opinion from anyone on here.
Dan has blood on his hands and everyone knows it.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/covid19-hotel-quarantine-caused-99-per-cent-of-victorian-cases/news-story/4fc37e14177934b1161e8a59884b143b
COVID-19: Hotel quarantine caused 99 per cent of Victorian cases
More than 99 per cent of COVID-19 cases genomically tested in Victoria can be traced to overseas travellers, during the period they were forced into hotel quarantine.
More than 99 per cent of COVID-19 cases genomically tested in Victoria can be traced to overseas travellers, during the period they were forced into hotel quarantine
Doherty Institute director Professor Ben Howden tabled evidence to the hotel quarantine inquiry on Monday showing three main transmission sources for current coronavirus infections started in late May or early June, after Victoria’s first wave of infections virtually died out.
The three sources started with infected returning travellers. International arrivals went into quarantine hotels from March 29 until the fatally flawed program was suspended in July, amid Victoria’s second wave.
Prof Howden said he could not provide a proportion of cases linked to the quarantine program because he did not have all appropriate data.
But he said almost all current Victorian cases could be linked to three sources known as networks two and three, and cluster 45A. “All current cases, bar a few, are from those transmission networks and that cluster,” he told the inquiry, headed by former judge Jennifer Coate.
The inquiry also heard private security guarding the hotels were told they did not have to wear personal protective equipment, such as masks, in hotel foyers and corridors.
The inquiry was also told the Andrews government had the power to direct people in quarantine to be tested for COVID-19 or be detained for up to three days — but it did not make testing mandatory.
In June, 30 per cent of travellers left quarantine without being tested.
In a statement submitted to the inquiry, Prof Howden said he could not answer questions on how many cases could be directly linked to the failed quarantine program, or to security who guarded the hotels, because he did not hold the appropriate epidemiological data that tracked the spread of the virus.
But he said: “Over 99 per cent of all current cases in Victoria for which we have genomic sequencing data are derived from transmission network two predominantly, as well as transmission network three and cluster 45A.”
The Stamford Plaza on Collins Street. In June, 30 per cent of travellers left quarantine without being tested.
A government epidemiologist is due to give evidence on Tuesday and may provide further evidence on how devastating the virus leak from the quarantine hotels has been.
Prof Howden said 46 per cent of cases in Victoria had been subject to genomic testing, which tracks their precise strain and shows mutations as the virus is passed along.
The Doherty Institute had been testing 80 per cent of cases but had not been able to keep up once Victoria’s deadly second wave, which peaked at more than 700 cases a day, took hold.
In remarkable evidence, the inquiry was shown a document provided to private security guarding the quarantine hotels that said guards were not required to wear personal protective equipment, such as masks, when they were in hotel foyers and corridors, provided they could remain 1.5m from guests.
The document was introduced by Arthur Moses, the lawyer representing Unified Security, one of the firms hired to enforce the quarantine restrictions.
Infectious disease specialist Professor Lindsay Grayson told the inquiry that the advice in the document was “inappropriate”.
He said properly worn PPE should have been used, helping protect the wearer in the event of an unplanned interaction with a potentially infectious guest.
Prof Grayson said an online course that security guards undertook was “confused about its target audience’’ and was inadequate for people who would be dealing with potentially infectious people.
Mr Moses told the inquiry there had been “quite a lot of rumour and innuendo” about “alleged inappropriate contact … sexual activity” between some security guards and guests.
He put to Prof Grayson there were many ways security staff could contract the virus from guests through “required interactions” such as delivering food. Prof Grayson agreed, particularly if the guards were not wearing PPE.
The hearing continues online at 10am Tuesday.
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Not quite sure why Dan Andrews has blood on his hands and not Scott Morrison?
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Scomo has had an exceptional covid. Australias version of that NZ Bird. :lol
4 Corners. You know your in deep poo when the abc arent even looking after you.
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Scomo has had an exceptional covid. Australias version of that NZ Bird.
FJ, I can't work out whether you believe this or you're just trying for a reaction.
If it's the latter that's ok because this is an internet forum after all. If it's the former then I really do feel sorry for you.
Cheers
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Scomo has had an exceptional covid. Australias version of that NZ Bird.
FJ, I can't work out whether you believe this or you're just trying for a reaction.
If it's the latter that's ok because this is an internet forum after all. If it's the former then I really do feel sorry for you.
Cheers
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Thank you 65, means a lot to have your support.
Its hard for you to accept i know, but i finally think we are dancing.
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My dads in aged care not one case throughhout the
period of covid. Its about the management and staff. If they followed the rules they wouldnt have issues but unfortunately some put profit before the elderly. They should be taken over by the commonwealth. Any operator who has done the wrong thing should be shut down.
As you know I no longer post in this thread and offer any form of opinion but I still read it
But forgive me Ramps, you've confused me
You said Aged Care Centres should be taken over by the Commonwealth
Aged Care in this country is already the responsibility of the Commonwealth (Fed Govt). Aged Care was privatised by the Howard govt. But the overall responsibility to ensure they are managed and run correctly falls with the Commonwealth
Issues in the Aged Care sector have been there for a considerable amount of time. Hence, why there is currently a Royal Commission into Aged Care going on now. COVID19, has only highlighted further shortcomings in that system and that is why it is the focus of the RC now.
Victoria is the only State that retained and continues to manage a number (small) of Aged Care facilities. But the majority are privately owned and run.
So I'm just trying understand what you mean by the Commonwealth should take them over?
i think you will find that is incorrect WP.
queensland as an example still has state run facilities (small number) but the majority are privately run. I will assume other states are the same, albeit a smaller number.
i stand to be corrected but i read recently nearly half of the countrys centres are run privately, so state has control in many others.
so.... if that is the case and other states also have private run facilities, then tell me why arent all the other states copping a second wave as Victoria is, and especially if all cases came from one bungled scheme. I think we all know the answer.
The Royal commission is long overdue, and from what i have read state run centres are also guilty of some disgusting behaviour. That said there are many that operate very professionally and without issues.
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i think you will find that is incorrect WP.
queensland as an example still has state run facilities (small number) but the majority are privately run. I will assume other states are the same, albeit a smaller number.
i stand to be corrected but i read recently nearly half of the countrys centres are run privately, so state has control in many others.
so.... if that is the case and other states also have private run facilities, then tell me why arent all the other states copping a second wave as Victoria is, and especially if all cases came from one bungled scheme. I think we all know the answer.
The Royal commission is long overdue, and from what i have read state run centres are also guilty of some disgusting behaviour. That said there are many that operate very professionally and without issues.
This is true.
I was part of the working group that produced the evidence submission for a public health provider's residential aged care facilities (a big one).
Huge issues with behaviour and aggression management. Terrible issues with staffing and resources. Some of the incidents I assessed included residents killing one another or themselves. I was expecting a massive fallout even prior to C19.
I think what we'll find is that there are several reasons why the private ones have suffered so much more. Yes they likely have less registered nurses, lower qualifications in other staff, less resources etc all in the name of turning a profit. But there are other factors too > I suspect we will need a separate inquiry into this.
I am very surprised the government ones have done so much better.
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I think what we'll find is that there are several reasons why the private ones have suffered so much more. Yes they likely have less registered nurses, lower qualifications in other staff, less resources etc all in the name of turning a profit. But there are other factors too > I suspect we will need a separate inquiry into this.
I am very surprised the government ones have done so much better.
What do you think the "other factors" are?
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I think what we'll find is that there are several reasons why the private ones have suffered so much more. Yes they likely have less registered nurses, lower qualifications in other staff, less resources etc all in the name of turning a profit. But there are other factors too > I suspect we will need a separate inquiry into this.
I am very surprised the government ones have done so much better.
What do you think the "other factors" are?
Bit hard to unpack, but I genuinely think there will be epidemiological factors more prevalent to the private sector than the public sector.
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Victorian Libs misbehaving?
This from the right wing conservative rag, the Herald Sun. Love Scotty from Marketing's spin.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/branchstacking-allegations-levelled-at-victorian-liberal-party/news-story/6e3313d2b44f66852fa802c08359114f (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/branchstacking-allegations-levelled-at-victorian-liberal-party/news-story/6e3313d2b44f66852fa802c08359114f)
Former Victorian premier Ted Baillieu has hit out at the “staggering” behaviour of Liberal Party factional heavyweights amid claims of alleged branch-stacking and misuse of taxpayer-funded resources.
The ex-Liberal leader told 60 Minutes there were “a few people seeking to rig elections, internal elections, in the Liberal Party”.
“I can only presume that there are people who think that’s more important than the great challenges Victorians are facing, and that’s to their shame,” Mr Baillieu said.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s office said on Sunday night: “This is an organisational matter for the Victorian division of the party.”
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Sukkar, the Federal assistant treasurer, has to go. Surely?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/sukkar-uses-taxpayer-budget-to-employ-friend-who-also-designed-smear-sheets-20200824-p55osu.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/sukkar-uses-taxpayer-budget-to-employ-friend-who-also-designed-smear-sheets-20200824-p55osu.html)
Assistant Treasurer Michael Sukkar used his taxpayer-funded electorate office budget to pay one of his best friends, who was also tasked with designing Mr Sukkar's political smear files and materials to solicit party donations, in potential breach of parliamentary rules.
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Agree Sukkar should resign. Not as bad as Somyulek but enough to lose his job
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:clapping getting called out by some big players is head of Quarantine Dicator Dan.
McNamee 'stunned' by Andrews' power grab
The chairman of biotechnology company CSL, Brian McNamee, said it was "radically wrong" for Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews to extend emergency COVID-19 powers, saying his handling of the virus had not "earned or deserved" the right to crush people's civil liberties.
Melbourne-based Dr McNamee, whose company is developing a vaccine for COVID-19, encouraged other Victorians to speak up about the state government's authoritarian overreach and failure to give due weight to the economic and social damage inflicted by lockdowns.
Dr McNamee said the public must ensure their rights are never again "trampled" on by "fear stoking" governments. Scott Barbour, Nine.
Dr McNamee, a qualified medical doctor and also chairman of cancer care specialist GenesisCare, acknowledged COVID-19 was a "highly contagious disease" that was very bad for elderly people and that healthcare workers were at high risk of catching it.
"But it isn't sufficient rationale for shutting down society and doing what is now proposed by the Premier," Dr McNamee said in an interview with The Australian Financial Review on Wednesday.
"Many of us are stunned that our civil liberties and rights have been so severely taken away from us."
"Where are the checks and balances, the expert independent advice, the data, the scientific explanation including objectives and finally the pivotal role of parliament?"
Dr McNamee said other senior Victorians had similar concerns to him but they felt unable to comment as the reach of government makes many business leaders shy.
"I'm no radical but unfortunately I feel compelled to speak out because others feel they are unable, beyond contacting their local members, to express dismay."
"I encourage as many Victorians as possible to contact their representatives to do likewise."
In the middle of Melbourne's six-week lockdown, Mr Andrews wants to extend state of emergency powers beyond September 13, to retain the potential to impose measures such as mandatory face masks, social distancing and future lockdowns.
The state government said the move was consistent with other states, but he may be forced to negotiate a compromise of less than 12 months with upper house crossbench politicians.
Hotel quarantine breaches and substandard contact tracing by Victorian health authorities have enabled the virus to spread much more than in other states.
Dr McNamee said the public must ensure their rights are never again "trampled" on by "fear-stoking" governments, even as he admitted the virus was serious for vulnerable people.
"It's really a call to all of us to stand up and say 'this should not continue, nor is it appropriate'," he said.
"Clearly this requires a substantial yet tailored response.
"Nevertheless, the harm to our youth and the broader society is not acknowledged nor would appear to be factored in sufficiently."
CSL, Australia's third most valuable company, is partnering with the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations and the University of Queensland to develop a COVID-19 vaccine.
The University of Queensland this week presented its promising early data and declared so far there had been "absolutely no safety concerns" among the 120 human volunteers who have had the first dose in the phase one clinical trial.
CSL has been chosen as a large scale manufacturer of the vaccine should it prove successful.
CSL is also aiming to develop a potential plasma-derived therapy for treating COVID-19.
Last month, Dr McNamee warned that Melbourne's lockdown will have "devastating" economic, social and health costs and called for governments to put forward a credible virus strategy that is "not seen as blunt or punitive to the wider society".
Dr McNamee as chief executive took the government-owned Commonwealth Serum Laboratories in the 90s and transformed it into an international biotech powerhouse, before transitioning to non-executive chairman in October 2018.
https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/mcnamee-stunned-by-andrews-power-grab-20200826-p55pij?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0ATM4Xb6p0GbZ4RmRh59NPWCmXNCHst2o4vC4X0HapIR-T6EOBe8x2xJ8#Echobox=1598423044
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Victorian Liberal party is in chaos. Dan Andrews is going nowhere.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-27/victorian-liberal-party-in-turmoil-after-branch-stacking-scandal/12598164?section=analysis (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-27/victorian-liberal-party-in-turmoil-after-branch-stacking-scandal/12598164?section=analysis)
The Victorian Liberal Party is in a bit of a mess. And it has been for some time.
It is riven by factional infighting and its electoral performance in state politics is akin to a bottom-four footy side.
But unlike teams propping up the ladder, there appears to be little appetite for a rebuild on Spring Street.
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I suspect we will see minimal commentary on this.
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Liberal Party is not in chaos. Dan Andrews and his derelict party are in chaos. The story about the libs is already out if the media. You lefties are getting desperate. Its not our fault if Dan and his mob are hopeless with people dying everyday in victoria from covid. Idiots labor the lot of them.
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Liberal Party is not in chaos. Dan Andrews and his derelict party are in chaos. The story about the libs is already out if the media. You lefties are getting desperate. Its not our fault if Dan and his mob are hopeless with people dying everyday in victoria from covid. Idiots labor the lot of them.
I hope you realise that this statement (highlighted) makes it sound like you are a member of the Liberal party. Do you really want to admit to that?
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Liberal Party is not in chaos. Dan Andrews and his derelict party are in chaos. The story about the libs is already out if the media. You lefties are getting desperate. Its not our fault if Dan and his mob are hopeless with people dying everyday in victoria from covid. Idiots labor the lot of them.
I hope you realise that this statement (highlighted) makes it sound like you are a member of the Liberal party. Do you really want to admit to that?
And just to get in first I have never been a member of any political party. (A pox on all of them)
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Not a member of any party myself but I will vote Liberal at the next state and federal election.
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Both elections are too far away for me to make a decision yet.
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LMAO....
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:lol :lol
Agree same here. I havent made my mind up yet :rollin :rollin
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FFS Scotty from Marketing is really full of hot air.
The state Premiers will decide when their borders will reopen. And none of them has shown they will listen to the PM.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/coronavirus-australia-pm-scott-morrison-wants-to-open-borders-by-christmas/news-story/9ddb90da7eefc58c616651f3fd0e9083 (https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/coronavirus-australia-pm-scott-morrison-wants-to-open-borders-by-christmas/news-story/9ddb90da7eefc58c616651f3fd0e9083)
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he wants to see Aussies be able to travel interstate by Christmas.
Mr Morrison made it clear on Friday he believes the downward trajectory of virus cases means states should consider opening up for the holiday period.
“Well look, I believe we can, domestically,” he said about the Christmas travel date, Seven News reports.
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Colbeck has to go. Surely.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/taxpayers-foot-bill-for-tasmanian-senator-richard-colbecks-afl-spree/news-story/49e97fac870d363cf29b817669e565a0 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/taxpayers-foot-bill-for-tasmanian-senator-richard-colbecks-afl-spree/news-story/49e97fac870d363cf29b817669e565a0)
An analysis of travel expenses reveals the Tasmanian Liberal senator — who is under fire for his handling of the COVID-19 crisis in aged care — billed taxpayers almost $20,000 last year to attend several AFL events.
The Sunday Tasmanian can reveal Senator Colbeck, who is also Sports Minister, charged taxpayers almost $3000 to take his family to the 2019 Grand Final and more than $900 to attend the Brownlow Medal ceremony.
Taxpayers also forked out $1334 for Senator Colbeck to attend an AFL fundraiser at Cape York House.
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Yep. Im not a hypocrite on this. Colbeck should becsacked.
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What's the chance of this happening?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/to-restore-the-nation-s-fortunes-morrison-must-not-only-appear-humble-he-must-be-humble-20200903-p55s6z.html
To restore the nation's fortunes, Morrison must not only appear humble he must be humble
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Good news is ALP are just about cooked.
Even shorten is distancing himself from comrades dictatorship, which is saying something.
as for that queensland premier gee wiz.
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Police were not consulted on curfew rules, Brett Sutton says he did not recommend measure.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/police-were-not-consulted-on-curfew-rules-brett-sutton-says-he-did-not-recommend-measure/news-story/28c2e9500c3d9fa62f6313feac1a8bbe
more lies from Comrade.
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Police were not consulted on curfew rules, Brett Sutton says he did not recommend measure.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/police-were-not-consulted-on-curfew-rules-brett-sutton-says-he-did-not-recommend-measure/news-story/28c2e9500c3d9fa62f6313feac1a8bbe
more lies from Comrade.
Seriously WGAF
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Good news is ALP are just about cooked.
Even shorten is distancing himself from comrades dictatorship, which is saying something.
as for that queensland premier gee wiz.
Election is still two years off. Lot can happen between then and now.
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Good news is ALP are just about cooked.
Even shorten is distancing himself from comrades dictatorship, which is saying something.
as for that queensland premier gee wiz.
Election is still two years off. Lot can happen between then and now.
There are many elections comrade.
Dan wont be around to contest the next one you would hope, and ALP federally are in all sorts.
Scomo will romp it in at the next election, with or without Covid. What this has shown most Australians is that the ALP are a basketcase. A shame cause albo, seems like a nice fella, unlike his predecessor.
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The sports rorts fiasco just won't go away.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/11/morrison-denies-he-considered-status-of-seats-when-deciding-sports-grant-expansion
Scott Morrison has denied considering whether proposed sports grant projects were located in marginal or target seats at a meeting with Bridget McKenzie in November 2018 that resulted in a $70m expansion to the program.
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NSW rolled gold government in trouble?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/10/nsw-nationals-withdraw-support-for-government-bills-over-koala-protection-policy
The NSW premier, Gladys Berejiklian, has given her deputy, John Barilaro, until Friday morning to reverse his threat to have the Nationals sit on the crossbenches or he and his fellow Nationals ministers will be stripped of their portfolios.
The crisis in the Coalition has been prompted by National party demands over koala policy which passed through cabinet and became law earlier this year but which the Nationals now want to be changed.
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Great program is JobKeeper.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/listed-companies-pocket-1-8-billion-in-jobkeeper-payments-research-shows-20200910-p55ud2.html
Nearly one-third of Australia's largest listed companies have pocketed $1.8 billion in government subsidies during the COVID-19 crisis, with the JobKeeper wage subsidy scheme accounting for more than half that amount.
Close to 40 per cent of the companies that received the JobKeeper subsidy also disclosed executive bonuses, totalling $24 million for the year, while a number of companies also paid dividends off the back of government stimulus.
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You didnt want Australians to keep their jobs?
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You didnt want Australians to keep their jobs?
Of course I want people to keep their jobs. Just pointing out that lots of big companies put executive bonuses ahead of looking after their staff.
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Interesting article that is worth a read.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/what-has-this-coalition-government-actually-achieved-in-seven-years-20200911-p55uqa.html
What has this Coalition government actually achieved in seven years?
The Coalition’s ability to retain power while also switching from leader to leader to leader is, in strictly political terms, a major achievement. But what are its policy achievements?
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They've stopped the opposition getting in which is a huge plus
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They've stopped the opposition getting in which is a huge plus
Yep I said that in my post.
But the question remains. What else have they done?
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Great program is JobKeeper.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/thousands-accused-of-jobkeeper-rorts-but-ato-has-not-issued-penalties-20200911-p55upc.html
The $70 billion JobKeeper wage subsidy program has potentially been rorted by thousands of businesses but not one has been penalised despite more than 8000 tip-offs to the tax office and 2200 employees found to be on multiple applications for payments.
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Scotty from Marketing has lost his mojo?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/13/queensland-mans-daughter-condemns-scott-morrison-for-turning-funeral-into-a-circus
The daughter of a Queensland man whose funeral was at the centre of a federal-state brawl about border closures has accused Scott Morrison of using the case to “advance his political agenda”.
Alexandra Prendergast said in an open letter to the prime minister that his actions were “absolutely disrespectful” to families who had not been granted permission to attend relatives’ funerals.
It was “heartbreaking” that the prime minister had “presented himself as being empathetic and understanding” but had not considered the ramifications of his actions for family members, Prendergast said.
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1Stopped the boats.
2.Stopped Labor from governing saving us from financial extinction
3.Signed numerous free trade agreements with other nations
4. Delivered brand spanking new sporting facilities to clubs and schools throughout australia
5. Increased spending on health by giving more to state labor governments who have wasted the money.
6. Have taken Australia through covid in a fine fashion with limited deaths irrespective of Victorian Labors neglect and stupidity.
7. Overseen the rise of the Richmond Football Club to national sporting superpower.
Thats only chapter 1 of the governments achievements
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1Stopped the boats.
2.Stopped Labor from governing saving us from financial extinction
3.Signed numerous free trade agreements with other nations
4. Delivered brand spanking new sporting facilities to clubs and schools throughout australia
5. Increased spending on health by giving more to state labor governments who have wasted the money.
6. Have taken Australia through covid in a fine fashion with limited deaths irrespective of Victorian Labors neglect and stupidity.
7. Overseen the rise of the Richmond Football Club to national sporting superpower.
Thats only chapter 1 of the governments achievements
Love number 7 the rest not so much.
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1Stopped the boats.
2.Stopped Labor from governing saving us from financial extinction
3.Signed numerous free trade agreements with other nations
4. Delivered brand spanking new sporting facilities to clubs and schools throughout australia
5. Increased spending on health by giving more to state labor governments who have wasted the money.
6. Have taken Australia through covid in a fine fashion with limited deaths irrespective of Victorian Labors neglect and stupidity.
7. Overseen the rise of the Richmond Football Club to national sporting superpower.
Thats only chapter 1 of the governments achievements
No 2 would have been enough for me by itself.
The rest is cream
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great read for a different perspective other. Whichever fence you sit down Andrews and Mikakos are toxic lying peaces of scum, which in a nutshell describes the party formerly known as ALP.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/victoria-has-locked-itself-into-a-lockdown-blunder-20200916-p55w1z?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1HhQ27wejy3DHZ3q3p1kteS2kT7M_knaDQ6oUvcAZK1PU-LpI2aFDenAI#Echobox=1600242122
Why I quit rather than be silenced: Vic Treasury insider
A former Victorian Treasury economist explains how he quit to keep speaking out against policy blunders.
Sanjeev Sabhlok
Last week I quit my job as an economist in the Victorian Department of Finance and Treasury so that I would be free to speak out against the state’s management of the COVID-19 infection.
I had made a number of criticisms of the state government on social media. The head of human relations at Treasury asked me to remove them. I considered deleting the few direct criticisms, but they wanted all indirect criticism removed too. I resigned on the same day, the only honourable course for a free citizen of Australia. I never dreamed I would see some of the tactics being used to defend the state’s health.
The pandemic policies being pursued in Australia – particularly in Victoria – are the most heavy-handed possible, a sledgehammer to kill a swarm of flies. These policies are having hugely adverse economic, social and health effects, with the poorer sections of the community that don’t have the ability to work from home suffering the most.
Australia is signalling to the world that it is closed for business and doesn’t care for human freedoms. This will dampen business investment but also impact future skilled migration, the education industry and tourism.
The whole thing hinges on the scare created by politicians and health professionals. For instance, Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton claims this is the “greatest public health challenge since the Spanish flu”.
But this is no Spanish flu – we can verify that easily.
The Spanish flu killed at least 50 million people worldwide in 1918 when the global population was 1.8 billion. Proportionately, to be as lethal as Spanish flu, a virus would have to kill at least 210 million people today. Instead, only around 0.9 million have died so far (compare this also with the 60 million who ordinarily die each year).
What about a second wave? There has never been a second wave hundreds of times bigger than the first. We can be reasonably certain that while this virus may create further ripples, its ultimate magnitude will end up in the range of the 1957 Asian flu.
The need for good policy process does not disappear just because we face a public health crisis.
But even if the pandemic had been as big as the Spanish flu, lockdowns could never have been justified. There are strong scientific arguments against lockdowns too.
So what should the government have done? The data were clear from February itself that the elderly are many times more vulnerable to a serious outcome than the young. It was necessary, therefore, to work out a targeted age-based strategy and start aggressively protecting and isolating the elderly, even as the rest of the population was advised on relevant precautions. But that wasn’t done.
The need for good policy process does not disappear just because we face a public health crisis. In fact, it gets even more urgent.
The Victorian Guide to Regulation notes that “It is not possible for governments to provide a completely ‘risk free’ society, or to prevent every possible event that might cause harm”. Further: “The direct and indirect costs imposed by regulatory approaches may not be … immediately obvious. Risk regulation that is poorly targeted or costly will divert resources from other priorities.”
Governments back in February needed to commission a cost-benefit analysis of alternative policy options that took into account different scenarios (such as with and without a vaccine). Thereafter, the best option had to be picked given the uncertainty, but consistent also with the need to intrude minimally into human freedoms. This cost-benefit analysis and policies needed then to be updated as new information emerged (such as the fact that epidemiological models have badly exaggerated the risk).
Governments should have also realised at the outset that they are hostage to chronic groupthink and actively sought alternative advice. I attempted repeatedly to raise my voice within my public sector role, but my attempts were rebuffed. The bureaucracy has clamped down on frank and fearless, impartial advice, in a misplaced determination to support whatever the government decides, (instead of performing its taxpayer-funded duty of providing forthright analysis of alternatives).
While there is scientific argument against lockdowns, there are divergent views on matters such as the effectiveness of masks. I am a mask fanatic but there was never any reason to mandate these debatable requirements. Voluntary, performance-based rules would allow the private sector to innovate, leaving people with the power of agency, to determine their own fate – thereby minimising economic harm, and harm to mental health and general well-being.
Ending the daily news conference would send a better message from Premier Daniel Andrews.
How unlocked Victoria can learn to live with the virus
Premier Daniel Andrews: The Victorian road map is transparent and does not assume the virus will follow our timetable.
So what happens now? Billions of dollars in income and wealth have been wiped out in the name of a virus that is no worse than the Asian flu and which can (even now) be managed by isolating the elderly and taking a range of voluntary, innovative measures. All the border closures, all the lockdowns, all the curfews in Melbourne will not eradicate the virus from planet Earth.
The problem for politicians now is to reverse course without losing their job. I don’t know how they plan to do it but if they don’t do it sooner rather than later the damage to Australia’s future would have become so great it would undo the good work of decades of reform.
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This isnt going to script for the ALP. :lol I thoughts unions were supposed to back this party. Not only is she disgusting to look at, but we still have to hear more of her lies that have crushed this state.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/leading-health-union-calls-for-premier-to-sack-clueless-health-minister-mikakos/news-story/cce126206c9c3eed5a30da3bce9192eb
Leading health union calls for Premier to sack ‘clueless’ Health Minister Mikakos
A leading health union is calling on Daniel Andrews to axe his “clueless” Health Minister, accusing Jenny Mikakos of “breathtaking incompetence” which they say all Victorians are now paying for amid our crippling second coronavirus wave.
A leading health union is calling on Daniel Andrews to sack his “clueless” Health Minister Jenny Mikakos, accusing her of “breathtaking incompetence”.
Ahead of the embattled health minister’s appearance at the hotel quarantine inquiry on Thursday, Health Workers Union boss Diana Asmar has begged the Premier to demand Ms Mikakos’s resignation.
“For the good of your government, for the good of health workers I represent, and for the good of all Victorians, Ms Mikakos must go,” she wrote in a letter to Mr Andrews on Wednesday.
She said that in all the union’s dealings with the health minister, “not once has she displayed even a basic understanding of her portfolio.”
The 16,000 strong union, which represents hospital and aged-care workers, has been battling the government over inadequate supplies of protective equipment for its members.
But now it has declared war on the Andrews Government over its decision to rebuild the Frankston Hospital as a public-private partnership, saying it will campaign against the Labor Party at the next election.
“In Victoria, aged care cleaners, admin workers and cooks have acquired covid, as have registered nurses and patient care workers,” Ms Asmar wrote, “yet aged care workers are treated differently with respect to accessing sufficient levels” of protective equipment.
Accusing Ms Mikakos of ignoring warnings over shortages, Ms Asmar claims “more deaths in Victorian aged care homes will ensue” unless the government changes the way it distributes it.
Saying she “was accustomed to dealing with individuals who display pomposity and arrogance, even when their ability does not warrant it”, Ms Asmar denied the call was the result of a personality clash between the pair.
“This is entirely about Ms Mikakos’ competence as your Health Minister, which is at the heart of your government’s response to this current pandemic,” she said.
Describing her office as “utterly dysfunctional” Ms Asmar said that since Ms Mikakos had become minister after the 2018 election “we have seen repeated mismanagement” of the Victorian health system.
“All Victorians are seemingly paying a price for her incompetence, ” she said.
Ms Asmar said the “final straw” for the union had been a meeting on Monday to discuss the Frankston Hospital rebuild at which she said the minister had delivered “scripted notes” and failed to answer simple questions.
“She had no understanding of the difference between clinical roles and non-clinical roles within a hospital, nor could she comprehend the details of the PPP proposal,” she said.
“This hazy blankness displayed by Ms Mikakos about the Victorian health system also occurred in our first ‘meet and greet’ in early 2019.
“You’d think after 18 months she’d have gained some understanding of her portfolio, given its significance” but “she is still clueless”.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-25/health-minister-knew-about-private-security-in-hotel-quarantine/12702376?fbclid=IwAR13O_Jy9Z-wzmpzZs9A9GBxvrkcQ2IX8qYE17mtdVLWg5WnN5nRgpM1D-I
thank you abc,
mikakos and andrews are finished.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-25/health-minister-knew-about-private-security-in-hotel-quarantine/12702376?fbclid=IwAR13O_Jy9Z-wzmpzZs9A9GBxvrkcQ2IX8qYE17mtdVLWg5WnN5nRgpM1D-I
thank you abc,
mikakos and andrews are finished.
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This inquiry is nothing else but a way for Andrews and his team to avoid a Royal Commission which may come.
As hopeless as a RC can be there is no way they would get away with a lack of cross examination and the blatant lies, that they have done. The fact that Moses guy had to fight tooth and nail to ask 2 simple questions is laughable. The questions asked by that hopeless woman were all closed questions.
Yet the public are supposed to accept it. This won’t be going away until heads roll.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/doubt-thrown-on-mikakos-inquiry-evidence-as-trades-hall-backs-asmar-20200925-p55zae.html?fbclid=IwAR39dWLRKYvDEuMtFdszSR0lrCm9NLHTkSXV8NcAMINc8E_V7hllYDACpvQ
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The hunt for someone to blame for the quarantine stuff up will, rightly, continue.
Looking forward two things need to happen to ensure this never happens again.
The quarantine system needs to be properly run, funded and regulated. The Victorian government has already done this.
Secondly the aged care system urgently needs to be properly funded and regulated. The Victorian government can't do this. It is the responsibility of the Federal government.
The bloodlust for someone to blame has focused on the Victorian government. But the virus spread through the aged care system because it was badly regulated and funded.
Dan Andrews has accepted responsibility and has apologised for the quarantine stuff up.
Scott Morrison should do the same for the aged care system that allowed the virus to spread and take so many lives.
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accountable, Andrews how?
more like he is now throwing mikakos under the bus? Easy to blame an immigrant, than accept responsibility as ceo.
On the 6th August he said he is accountable for any mistakes here so why now is he deflecting.
I have long held the view Andrews will not contest the next election, and will give someone else a full year to prepare and contest it. Bracks and the O'farrell left office for a lot less and of course no deaths. Police stationed outside his house in Mulgrave every day is no way to live, and this wont go away until heads roll starting with his and Mikakos.
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And your view on Morrison's culpability?
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Mikakos is gone, so that is one scapegoat gone for Comrade.
ALP imploding
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And your view on Morrison's culpability?
zero, no such issues in any other state. Though if you ask me about nsw state government and the ruby princess handling by them that is a different story.
Even that in comparison to andrews team is pittance.
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Long article but worth a read. (Some excerpts below)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/why-the-other-premiers-all-want-daniel-andrews-to-succeed-20200925-p55zbx.html
Andrews did not appreciate being told by Scott Morrison that NSW has the gold standard for testing and tracing the virus. But the Premier has acknowledged the essential truth behind that prime ministerial sledge. He accepts that Victoria’s centralised health system, with its Charlotte’s web of bureaucrats with little medical experience, and no clear chain of command between them, was simply not built for a pandemic.
The acknowledgement has come in the lightning-quick reinvention of that system in NSW’s image. Three suburban hubs for contact tracing will open next week in Melbourne’s west, north-west and in the south-east. A further two hubs are to be announced.
Victoria’s willingness to adapt, although not perfect, contrasts with the approach of the Morrison government in its direct line of responsibility, aged care. There hasn’t been an equivalent reimagining of the Commonwealth’s privatised system where up to 100 residents a week were being killed by COVID-19 at the peak of the Victorian outbreak. Remember, aged care has been at the epicentre of both coronavirus waves in Australia and is linked to 60 per cent of all deaths in NSW, and 80 per cent of the much larger toll in Victoria.
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zero, no such issues in any other state.
Long article but worth a read. (Some excerpts below)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/why-the-other-premiers-all-want-daniel-andrews-to-succeed-20200925-p55zbx.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/why-the-other-premiers-all-want-daniel-andrews-to-succeed-20200925-p55zbx.html)
Andrews did not appreciate being told by Scott Morrison that NSW has the gold standard for testing and tracing the virus. But the Premier has acknowledged the essential truth behind that prime ministerial sledge. He accepts that Victoria’s centralised health system, with its Charlotte’s web of bureaucrats with little medical experience, and no clear chain of command between them, was simply not built for a pandemic.
The acknowledgement has come in the lightning-quick reinvention of that system in NSW’s image. Three suburban hubs for contact tracing will open next week in Melbourne’s west, north-west and in the south-east. A further two hubs are to be announced.
Victoria’s willingness to adapt, although not perfect, contrasts with the approach of the Morrison government in its direct line of responsibility, aged care. There hasn’t been an equivalent reimagining of the Commonwealth’s privatised system where up to 100 residents a week were being killed by COVID-19 at the peak of the Victorian outbreak. Remember, aged care has been at the epicentre of both coronavirus waves in Australia and is linked to 60 per cent of all deaths in NSW, and 80 per cent of the much larger toll in Victoria.
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mate what is with the double posts? you forgetting things to like your comrades.
Look if it wasn't for ALP victoria there would be no second wave. No matter which way you dress it up that is an absolute FACT!
That is why the health minister has quit in shame today, and why andrews through her under the bus despite claiming he was totally accountable. Your dislike in scomo doesnt hide from the fact that all this noise just ensures a smooth ride to yet another 4 years for him.
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mate what is with the double posts? you forgetting things to like your comrades.
Look if it wasn't for ALP victoria there would be no second wave. No matter which way you dress it up that is an absolute FACT!
That is why the health minister has quit in shame today, and why andrews through her under the bus despite claiming he was totally accountable. Your dislike in scomo doesnt hide from the fact that all this noise just ensures a smooth ride to yet another 4 years for him.
Easy to play on disaster.
How do you know a liberal government would have done better?
Not happy myself, just asking. Easy to point the finger with hindsight.
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mate what is with the double posts? you forgetting things to like your comrades.
Look if it wasn't for ALP victoria there would be no second wave. No matter which way you dress it up that is an absolute FACT!
That is why the health minister has quit in shame today, and why andrews through her under the bus despite claiming he was totally accountable. Your dislike in scomo doesnt hide from the fact that all this noise just ensures a smooth ride to yet another 4 years for him.
Easy to play on disaster.
How do you know a liberal government would have done better?
Not happy myself, just asking. Easy to point the finger with hindsight.
That point holds no value Andy, today or ever. Who coulda woulda shoulda done a better job is not even worth discussing with so much carnage, and death.
I actually think if we had a premier who wasn't such a control freak this wouldn't have happened. That goes for both sides of parliament.
The evidence is clear as to what type of person he is.
This inquiry is nothing short of a farce, and was created to avoid a Royal Commission where they could be cross examined. The fact they could call judge Coates later if they recalled something how disgraceful this bloke is.
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Here we are Monday morning, the lies were flowing at the enquire, the avoidance of responsibility continued, and our premier releases restrictions with a possible earlier week flight to freedom. The wonderful news that 127,000 extra workers returning will be from the unionised construction industry, with big sites allowed up to 85 per cent of the normal workforce, and eased restrictions for workers on small projects and at land developments. There can can no longer be any doubt now that this government has no qualms about the 760+ dead and only act in the interests of their Union Directors. They send a deputation of public servants to NSW to seek ways to fix contact tracing and yet almost 4 weeks later no action to resolve the failings. Again I remind you 760+ dead and these collection of incompetents stroke away and hide the truth ..... Daniel Andrews and Chris Eccles Memoirs will be interesting reading when they come out .... let’s hope the Royal Commission puts paid to their careers and places them in Prison where they deserve to be for their Workplace Manslaughter of 760+ people on their watch.
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it would be interesting to know the Vic deaths per capita vs any other developed western country
how do you get workplace manslaughter out of this?
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You don’t need to go overseas, simply compare it within Australia ... Dans record speaks for itself.
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the turk has spoken.
Adem Somyurek: Why power is deep in Daniel Andrews’ DNA
The fact that Victoria has suffered the worst public policy disaster in Australian history and still no one knows who made key decisions that caused the disaster proves backroom political operators should not be put in party leadership ever again, writes Adem Somyurek.
Adem Somyurek, Herald Sun
September 30, 2020 6:36pm
Premier Daniel Andrews and Special Minister for State Gavin Jennings. Picture: AABeing a minister at the time of the now infamous “creeping assumption” decision to use private security guards in hotel quarantine, I share responsibility for the death of 780 Victorians, the cratering of our once strong economy and the locking down of the entire state.
Not because I was part of a collective cabinet decision-making process, but because I failed to insist the Premier comply with a proper cabinet process.
As the only former minister not constrained by party discipline, it is in the public interest that I attempt to shed light on how we got into such a mess, with so much pain and destruction for so many Victorians.
What is not in evidence before the inquiry is the decision-making processes of the executive and the potential intermediary role played by their staff (particularly the Premier’s staff). Therefore, it is assumed that the executive is captured by the bureaucracy whereas, in reality, the bureaucracy is docile and subservient to the micromanaging and commanding style of the Premier.
Daniel Andrews and I go back a long way, some 23 years to when we were rivals in opposing warring factional camps in the south east. Andrews was a key operator in one of the most brutal factional operations in the party — the southeastern Socialist Left. He was rewarded for his service with an elevation to assistant state secretary and then to a seat in parliament.
Premier Daniel Andrews and Special Minister for State Gavin Jennings. Picture: AAP
Andrews may be the only hard-core factional apparatchik to have ever become the Premier of a state government in Australia. The fact that Victoria has suffered the worst public policy disaster in Australian history, and still no one knows who made key decisions that caused the disaster, will affirm that backroom political operators should not be put in party leadership ever again.
Until hotel quarantine, Andrews had been lucky — he appeared to be pulling it off. There is good reason why factional apparatchik are not premiers.
They operate within informal, opaque processes, where scrutiny and transparency is non-existent and where written communication is discouraged. Factional operators are more interested in outcomes than procedural niceties. Andrews cut his teeth in this political milieu.
There is a certain degree of leeway that is afforded to reforming leaders with regard to due process in the belief that the ends justify the means. Therefore, Andrews’ crash-through style was mostly accepted as strong leadership — but those in the know always understood the dangers.
These learned reflexes were largely kept in check by former leader of the government in the Legislative Council, Gavin Jennings. He was both Andrews’ mentor and protector.
Jennings believed in the institution of parliament and cabinet government. Jennings understood that due process and collective decision making was there to provide good governance and protection. Andrews on the other hand believed due process was a waste of time and an unnecessary obstruction.
The retirement of Jennings from parliament in mid-March, removed any constraint left on Andrews. Within weeks, by April 3, Andrews had killed off cabinet government with the introduction of a “Crisis Cabinet.”
On March 27, he publicly decreed the use of private security guards in hotel quarantine without any cabinet decision at all.
Given Andrews’ penchant for informal processes, we do not have a definitive answer to the important question of who made the decision to use private security guards — but through deductive reasoning we can come up with a strong probability.
The fact is the hotel quarantine should have come before cabinet, and then the cabinet decision should have been operationalised by agencies and departments. This never happened. It is custom and practice for government policy decisions, legislation and spending decisions to go to cabinet, where 22 ministers, their staff and departments apply a rigorous level of scrutiny to proposals from ministers so that weaknesses or flaws can be identified.
A routine cabinet proposal requires among other things objectives, key issues, risks associated with the proposal, consultation, and stakeholder feedback. A minister taking to cabinet a hotel quarantine proposal with compliance managed by private security would have been questioned relentlessly given the industry’s sleazy reputation.
Ministers and public servants are intrinsically risk-averse, therefore there is very little likelihood that a minister would have taken such a risky proposal to cabinet unless prompted to do so by the leader.
Furthermore, quarantine is a federal matter, therefore portfolio responsibility falls to the Premier unless he allocates it to another minister. Andrews seems not to have done this before the announcement was made to use private security guards which means the ministerial responsibility buck stops with him.
Within government, that Andrews made the decision to use private security guards is not a matter of conjecture. Why he chose to make such a risky decision is a matter of much speculation.
For the first time in his leadership of 10 years, Andrews found himself without the calming guidance of Gavin Jennings. The result is the biggest public policy disaster in Australian history.
In Andrews’ government, everything is centralised and micromanaged, even the most talented ministers lack autonomy and the bureaucracy is cowered by central control. Take it from me, nothing happens by “creeping assumption” in this tightly controlled government
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/adem-somyurek-why-power-is-deep-in-daniel-andrews-dna/news-story/f49d9ad69099ba2cb8bbd5ec88e9e25e
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Even after a royal commission.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-04/aged-care-royal-commission-covid-government-cop-blame/12725246
Whether the criticism is from the counsel assisting or the royal commissioners themselves, the Government is refusing to accept criticism. Morrison has repeatedly expressed sorrow at the more than 650 COVID-related deaths in aged care, but he won't cop the blame.
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The budget smells like an election budget to me.
Why else cut the jobseeker allowance in favour of income taxes for the well off.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-whole-budget-in-five-minutes-20201002-p561kv.html
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I think....I agree with 65 here :shh
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I think....I agree with 65 here
To quote Scotty from Marketing...
I believe in miracles.
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Dan Andrews' daily press conferences could be deemed as electioneering.
He has shown a calmness and a sense of being in control that has won a lot of supporters.
It has been an opportunity to showcase some of the talent he has in his cabinet. As opposed to the Victorian opposition that is struggling for air time and relevance.
Each day he has to answer a barrage of aggressive questions from reporters. It seems they are intent on making him look bad/incompetent. It has however had the opposite effect. The calm way he handles the daily onslaught shows that he is well suited to the high pressure job that he has as Premier.
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Ok, normal service has resumed
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The budget smells like an election budget to me.
Why else cut the jobseeker allowance in favour of income taxes for the well off.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-whole-budget-in-five-minutes-20201002-p561kv.html
To get people incentivised to get back to work and get a job. I know you lefties support dole bludgers staying on dole bludging off tax payers forever and a day but some of us dont want to fund the lifestyles of the surfy bludgers and socialist hangers on who love just scamming free money from governments. Go get a job you bludgers.
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Ok, normal service has resumed
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Ok, normal service has resumed
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There is an old saying dont mess with the wogs. Well done Mikakos :clapping
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-inquiry-releases-mikakos-final-evidence-20201009-p563i0.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0tI9JW9gtVGhSPRDhjph-A4kZwIfMTDRjg_3jVgUOO6CPfRcljT4SJyzk#Echobox=1602195403
Treat with caution': Mikakos turns on Premier in parting shot over hotel quarantine failures
We should be counting years of life lost or savedAdd to shortlist
Ex-health minister Jenny Mikakos says Premier Daniel Andrews' evidence about private security in Victoria's hotel quarantine program should be "treated with caution" in a stinging rebuke to her former boss.
In an explosive final submission to the hotel quarantine inquiry published on Friday, Ms Mikakos says Mr Andrews' decision to "subvert" the usual Cabinet processes may have contributed to the errors made in the ill-fated program and says it is "nonsense" for her alone to be held accountable.
Ms Mikakos resigned last month, just a day after Mr Andrews told the inquiry he held her "accountable" for the botched program that sparked the state's disastrous second coronavirus wave, which has claimed the lives of more than 750 people, cost the economy $12 billion and forced Melburnians into the strictest lockdown in the country.
She said her resignation should not be understood as an "admission of responsibility" for the quarantine program and accountability was shared with Jobs Minister Martin Pakula.
Her claims have reignited calls from the opposition for the Premier to resign and a royal commission to be held, with shadow attorney-general Edward O'Donohue saying: "What it shows is we have a government that is at war with itself."
It would be nonsense ... for the DHHS, and through it, Ms Mikakos, to be considered to be solely responsible and solely accountable for the hotel quarantine program.
Jenny Mikakos' final submission
Ms Mikakos has told the inquiry it is "implausible" to suggest no one made the decision to use private security to guard returned travellers in Melbourne's quarantine hotels.
Lawyers for the inquiry submitted last week that the decision to use private security guards "[was] not really a decision at all" but a "creeping assumption" among top bureaucrats that was not questioned by anyone.
"With respect, such a submission has insufficient regard to the realities of governmental operation and decision-making," Ms Mikakos' submission reads.
"It is respectfully submitted that the Board ought to treat with caution the Premier's evidence where he sought to explain the reference to the use of private security in the hotel quarantine program."
Mr Andrews told the inquiry he could not recall why he made mention of private security in a press conference on March 27 when he announced that international arrivals would be subjected to mandatory quarantine.
But Ms Mikakos said the Premier would not have announced the use of private security if a decision had not already been made.
"In this regard, it is observed that no evidence was led about what briefings were provided to the Premier by his office in advance of that media conference," her submission reads.
Ms Mikakos said the weight of evidence points to an actual decision being made during the course of, or soon after, the meeting of National Cabinet about midday on March 27.
"This decision had substantial cost and resource implications for the state and it is inherently
unlikely, if not implausible, that such a decision would be the result of a 'creeping assumption' rather than a considered choice at an elevated level of government," she said.
Coronavirus: Jenny Mikakos resigns following hotel quarantine failure
Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos has resigned following the state’s failed hotel quarantine failure.
The former minister said that was the only "cogent explanation" for the contemporaneous text message sent soon after the National Cabinet meeting by former Chief Police Commissioner Graham Ashton to his federal counterpart that "our DPC (Department of Premier and Cabinet)" had set up a deal for private security.
Ms Mikakos said the decision not to use Defence Force personnel was inextricably linked to the decision to use private security. She added that Emergency Management Commissioner Andrew Crisp's view that troops weren't needed was "presumably because a decision had been taken to use private security guards".
Ms Mikakos and Health Department Secretary Kym Peake have consistently maintained the hotel quarantine program was a "multi-agency operation with shared accountability".
Jobs Minister 'jointly responsible, accountable', Mikakos says
Jobs Minister Martin Pakula did not escape criticism, with Ms Mikakos maintaining that he shared the responsibility for the program.
Her submission urges the inquiry to find that both the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions were "jointly responsible".
"It would be a [sic] nonsense, it is submitted, for the DHHS, and through it, Ms Mikakos, to be
considered to be solely responsible and solely accountable for the hotel quarantine program," the submission says.
Mikakos blames subversion of Cabinet process
Ms Mikakos said the decision to subvert normal state Cabinet procedures was "the root cause of some of the issues", including differing views about who had overall responsibility and the "cause of the obscurity as to the identity of the decision-maker for important elements".
She also said she and other ministers did not cross-examine the Premier during the inquiry, despite having separate legal representation, as it might be considered "politically disadvantageous" or "improper".
The former minister maintained she first became aware private security were being used in hotel quarantine following the outbreak at the Rydges on Swanston in late May.
She said revelations that she attended a press conference with Mr Pakula on March 29, where he mentioned security arrangements, did not contradict her evidence to the inquiry.
Ms Mikakos maintained she told the inquiry she first became aware and "first had reason to turn her mind" to the use of security guards following the outbreaks.
She was "disappointed" that her department, via Secretary Kym Peake, did not brief her on "significant issues" in the hotels program. But the former minister said those failures occurred in "extraordinary circumstances" where ordinary decision-making mechanism and lines of accountability had been replaced the Premier's creation of the Crisis Council of Cabinet.
The submission says Ms Mikakos had "many responsibilities" for the COVID-19 response, but she played "no role in the critical decision to use private security in the front line, or the terms on which they were contracted. Nor did her department".
"For those decisions, others must take responsibility," the submission ends.
The inquiry, led by former judge Jennifer Coate, is due to deliver its final report on November 6.
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The News corporation's campaign against Andrews is failing.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/one-hundred-days-of-andrews-press-conferences-what-do-they-tell-us-about-journalism-20201009-p563lt.html
That said, let me get one thing out of the way. Much of the criticism has focused on News Corporation and in particular the Victorian political reporter for The Australian, Rachel Baxendale, whose questioning of Andrews has been among the most aggressive. This is in the context of a persistent News Corporation campaign against Andrews.
But there is a larger point: The campaign against Andrews isn’t working.
The polls show consistently high levels of support for Andrews’ handling of the pandemic. Baxendale’s questioning may even be working for Andrews. He handles it calmly, so she makes him look good. If this wasn’t the case, Andrews would surely stop the encounters.
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so says an opinion peace from another lefty. haha Must be the same polls that said shorten was going to win the unlosable election?
65 question do you actually post on anything other than politics. Im starting to think you dont even support the tigers. :shh
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so says an opinion peace from another lefty. haha Must be the same polls that said shorten was going to win the unlosable election?
65 question do you actually post on anything other than politics. Im starting to think you dont even support the tigers.
NWA
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You're Ice Cube? :huh
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so says an opinion peace from another lefty. haha Must be the same polls that said shorten was going to win the unlosable election?
65 question do you actually post on anything other than politics. Im starting to think you dont even support the tigers.
NWA
NWA? WTF does that mean?
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You're Ice Cube? :huh
:lol yep
Straight outta......
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Indeed, what have they got to hide?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/15/coalition-blasted-after-blaming-covid-for-delay-in-creating-federal-anti-corruption-body
The Morrison government had legislation to create a federal anti-corruption body ready before the Covid-19 pandemic but has still failed to introduce it to parliament.
Talking points from the prime minister’s office, released on Thursday, instruct Coalition MPs to recommit to create a Commonwealth Integrity Commission and to promise it will come “as soon as possible” after Covid-19 recovery efforts.
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Eric Abetz sums up the Liberal party. Who else would put up with this crap?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/16/eric-abetz-refuses-to-apologise-for-demanding-chinese-australians-denounce-communist-party
A conservative Australian senator has refused to apologise after he caused a storm of outrage by demanding three Chinese-Australians publicly and unconditionally condemn “the Chinese Communist party dictatorship”.
With the witnesses before a Senate inquiry denouncing the “McCarthyist” tactics, and with the opposition Labor party likening it to a loyalty test based on ethnicity, the veteran Tasmanian senator Eric Abetz insisted his questioning had “nothing to do with race and everything to do with values”.
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Cant see an issue with it personally
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McCarthy was right.... :shh
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Gotta love the spin from Morrison (or was it honesty?)
Gets stranded in Cairns and has to postpone National Cabinet until next week. His reaction: "That's ok, we had nothing to talk about anyway"
But The Libs are far too busy to set up a Federal Corruption committee.
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I thought it was Dictator Dan with the chinese connections.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/man-charged-with-foreign-interference-still-a-liberal-party-member-20201106-p56c7f.html
A Melbourne man charged with preparing an act of foreign interference within Australia is still a fee-paying member of the Liberal Party.
Di Sanh Duong, president of the Oceania Federation of Chinese Organisations and deputy chairman of the Museum of Chinese Australian History in Melbourne, on Thursday became the first person charged under Australia's landmark foreign interference laws.
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You compare a lnp member over a 35k cheque to a man who has disgraced himself in all facets of leadership during his tenure ultimately resulting in death.
Move along. No wonder posters don’t post on this topic anymore.
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You compare a lnp member over a 35k cheque to a man who has disgraced himself in all facets of leadership during his tenure ultimately resulting in death.
Move along. No wonder posters don’t post on this topic anymore.
I think Dan Andrews is going to win the next election in a canter.
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Morrison is a dead man walking.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/daniel-andrews-and-scott-morrison-a-study-in-contrasts-20201125-p56hwj.html
Morrison refuses to hold anyone accountable for anything. Robodebt, the Western Sydney Airport land scam, the aged care disasters, the forged documents about the Sydney lord mayor’s travel budget, water allocations and other accumulating scandals – not too strong a word - makes the Prime Minister not just look weak but it unsettles the entire government. Stuart Robert, Alan Tudge, Angus Taylor, Paul Fletcher, Michaelia Cash, Richard Colbeck... A government with so many walking wounded is fundamentally weakened.
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is that like when you said shorten was a dead set certainty? or when scomo should walk for going to hawaii, and andrews shouldnt?
your assumptions over the years are amusing to say the least.
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is that like when you said shorten was a dead set certainty? or when scomo should walk for going to hawaii, and andrews shouldnt?
your assumptions over the years are amusing to say the least.
Got Shorten wrong that's for sure.
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bit quiet on here. Must be reading up on all the china deals in the pipework. :shh
IMO 2 blokes have stood up to china, and one is still standing. We also have one who continues to lick their date.
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is that like when you said shorten was a dead set certainty? or when scomo should walk for going to hawaii, and andrews shouldnt?
your assumptions over the years are amusing to say the least.
Got Shorten wrong that's for sure.
the scomo bias when he went to hawaii vrs the dan incompetence makes for very good reading, especially the notable absentees this time round.
at least you are consistent 65, in that you rarely go missing despite your many political shortcomings.
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is that like when you said shorten was a dead set certainty? or when scomo should walk for going to hawaii, and andrews shouldnt?
your assumptions over the years are amusing to say the least.
Got Shorten wrong that's for sure.
the scomo bias when he went to hawaii vrs the dan incompetence makes for very good reading, especially the notable absentees this time round.
at least you are consistent 65, in that you rarely go missing despite your many political shortcomings.
Was that almost a compliment?
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Anyway. There is so much to choose from but I settled on more on the Sports rorts affair
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/01/sports-rorts-inquiry-accuses-government-of-obstructing-its-investigation
An inquiry into the sports rorts scandal has accused the government of “obstruction” after the former minister, Bridget McKenzie, refused to appear and her successor blocked the release of advice about the legality of the $100m program.
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65, can we please get an update on the economy and the stimulus placed? Also any comments on scomo and his attitude to China, or would you prefer the hand shake dan andrews style agreements?
Can you imagine how much better we would be if dan and his party didnt stuff the state up. Even a bright spark like yourself can admit that.
The homebuilder scheme that you and a few others were quite vocal about, is one of the greatest incentives ever introduced.
Its time you bring yourself to paying homage to the great work Scomo has done. Scary to think there are a few silent majoritys on here that voted for Shorten :lol :lol :lol
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Answers in red below.
65, can we please get an update on the economy and the stimulus placed?
Lots of fiscal cliffs to come. End of JobSeeker subsidy, end of JobKeeper, end of rent relief, end of mortgage deferment, end of ban on rental evictions to name a few.
Also any comments on scomo and his attitude to China, or would you prefer the hand shake dan andrews style agreements?
The whole China trade fiasco started when ScoMo shot his mouth off about a need for an enquiry into the source of COVID19.
Can you imagine how much better we would be if dan and his party didnt stuff the state up. Even a bright spark like yourself can admit that.
631 Victorians have lost their lives in federally funded and regulated aged care homes. There were no deaths in the state run aged care homes
A better regulated system would have seen most of those lives saved.
Morrison and Colbeck could have saved a lot of those lives. FACT.
The homebuilder scheme that you and a few others were quite vocal about, is one of the greatest incentives ever introduced.
Middle class handouts designed to shore up ScoMo's voting base.
Its time you bring yourself to paying homage to the great work Scomo has done.
The Feds have done little to nothing. It's the States that have done all the heavy lifting.
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Also any comments on scomo and his attitude to China, or would you prefer the hand shake dan andrews style agreements?
The whole China trade fiasco started when ScoMo shot his mouth off about a need for an enquiry into the source of COVID19.
Even I can't ignore this one.
The Prime Minister of Australia was within his right on our behalf to say a there is a need for an enquiry around the source of COVID. It should happen. China needs to be held to account here. As importantly anything that will assist in ensuring this doesn't happen again should happen.
ScoMo isn't the only leader who (***and to be clear I am not referring to the soon to be former President of the USA either) who said it needed to happen.
You may wish to blame this trade fiasco at the foot of the current govt but the fact is the single biggest underlying factor as to why China can play "bully boy" here is because Australia relies so heavily on imports from China. Manufacturing in this country of so many day to day items no longer exists and who has benefitted from that? China and they know it.
Clothing, Kitchen items (cutlery, crockery etc) are items that are hardly made here if at all anymore. Where do they mainly come from? China...see the pattern here
Who's to blame? Multiple governments for not working harder to protect manufacturing and society for being more interested in paying $5 for a T-shirt made in China than paying $8 for an Australian made one
Why do you think that other countries who been critical have been spared the tarriffs, Ships being denied entry "fiasco"? Because they are not as reliant as we are on their imports
Clothing, Kitchen items (cutlery, crockery etc) are items that hardly made here if at all. Where do they main come from? China...see the pattern here
Collectively, even if unintentionally we and many other countries have given China the power to be the bully because of our/their reliance on them.
So I actually applaud him for speaking out and wanting to get answers.
Reckon for the lives lost around the world answers are deserved
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Sure but if he hadn't shot his mouth maybe none of the tariff stuff would have happened.
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Also any comments on scomo and his attitude to China, or would you prefer the hand shake dan andrews style agreements?
The whole China trade fiasco started when ScoMo shot his mouth off about a need for an enquiry into the source of COVID19.
Even I can't ignore this one.
The Prime Minister of Australia was within his right on our behalf to say a there is a need for an enquiry around the source of COVID. It should happen. China needs to be held to account here. As importantly anything that will assist in ensuring this doesn't happen again should happen.
ScoMo isn't the only leader who (***and to be clear I am not referring to the soon to be former President of the USA either) who said it needed to happen.
You may wish to blame this trade fiasco at the foot of the current govt but the fact is the single biggest underlying factor as to why China can play "bully boy" here is because Australia relies so heavily on imports from China. Manufacturing in this country of so many day to day items no longer exists and who has benefitted from that? China and they know it.
Clothing, Kitchen items (cutlery, crockery etc) are items that are hardly made here if at all anymore. Where do they mainly come from? China...see the pattern here
Who's to blame? Multiple governments for not working harder to protect manufacturing and society for being more interested in paying $5 for a T-shirt made in China than paying $8 for an Australian made one
Why do you think that other countries who been critical have been spared the tarriffs, Ships being denied entry "fiasco"? Because they are not as reliant as we are on their imports
Clothing, Kitchen items (cutlery, crockery etc) are items that hardly made here if at all. Where do they main come from? China...see the pattern here
Collectively, even if unintentionally we and many other countries have given China the power to be the bully because of our/their reliance on them.
So I actually applaud him for speaking out and wanting to get answers.
Reckon for the lives lost around the world answers are deserved
So you agree with the rest of my post then?
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To be honest it wasn't just ScoMo shooting his mouth (trying to be first to condemn China) that annoyed the Chinese.
Banning Huawei from Australia's 5G network, Australia's criticism of China's handling of Hong Kong, and Australia's participation in the Quad didn't help either
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So you agree with the rest of my post then?
😡 :thumbsdown >:(
I did not make any reference or offer any opinion to any other part of your post and have no intention to do so today, tomorrow or ever.
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;D
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So you agree with the rest of my post then?
😡 :thumbsdown >:(
I did not make any reference or offer any opinion to any other part of your post and have no intention to do so today, tomorrow or ever.
You need to build a bridge.
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stuff China
Anyone that thinks Scomo did the wrong thing speaking out and wanting answers is in fantasy land ..
China are lying filth of the highest order. There would have been MILLIONS die over there from COVID. And they just lie and lie and lie about the numbers. It will have wiped out a massive number of their aged population. And at the same time caused economic carnage around the rest of the world.
I know I would like to know the truth about what happened. We will never find out though .. and our great grandkids generations will be the ones to suffer as we try and get ourselves out of the financial poo shoot we will find ourselves in
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Sure but if he hadn't shot his mouth maybe none of the tariff stuff would have happened.
It must be hard to admit you are wrong about how he (scomo) has conducted himself. Country wanted a leader and they got it. No bull poo, hand shake dirty deals like our other mate and you are telling me it wasnt the right play with the chinese? The virus originated in one of 2 ways. One man made from China, which i wont rule out given how corrupt they are, and the other through animals that those filths eat over there. Either way its a china virus and scomo did what a great leader does.
If it was shorten he would have cuddled up to dan and jinping and probably got down on his knees for both of them.
Damo is right that country is a lying peace of poo. We can and should do better.
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Sure but if he hadn't shot his mouth maybe none of the tariff stuff would have happened.
F em
You should always know who you are getting into bed with and Australia has made bad choices
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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/belt-and-road-veto-won-t-reset-anything-andrews-20201206-p56kyr
Full credit to both federal parties. Dictator Andrews has simply lost the plot if he thinks the best way to handle the debt he created is to continue to give all the power to the Chinese.
Belt and Road veto 'won't reset anything': Andrews
Victorian Labor Premier Daniel Andrews is on his own when it comes to defending his Belt and Road infrastructure deal with Beijing, after federal Labor reaffirmed it never supported the arrangement and indicated it should be dumped.
Mr Andrews, who warned on Sunday that tearing up the BRI would further sour relations with Beijing, could soon become the next centrepiece in the brawl with China after Parliament, as early as Monday, passes the Foreign Relations Bill.
Penny Wong says federal Labor does not support Daniel Andrews' BRI MoU with Beijing. Dominic Lorrimer
The bill will enable the Foreign Minster to veto existing and future agreements between a foreign power and a state or local government, or a university.
Among the 130 existing contracts, memorandums of understanding and co-operative arrangements that will come under immediate consideration, 48 are with China. At, or near, the top of the list is the five-year MoU Mr Andrews signed with China in 2018.
Chinese-government funded study centres such as the Confucius Institute, which operates in 13 Australian universities, are also in the firing line.
Given the volatility between Canberra and Beijing at the moment, sources say it is unlikely the government will move quickly to veto any arrangements with China, especially Mr Andrews' BRI deal. China has already indicated through its media mouthpiece the Global Times that such a move would further exacerbate tensions.
On Sunday, shadow foreign affairs minister Penny Wong reaffirmed Labor never supported the BRI deal and she suggested it be negotiated away "sensible and calmly''.
"We have said we would not sign up to the BRI. We have made clear our position on that. Our position is different from that of the Victorian Labor government,'' Senator Wong told the ABC's Insiders program.
She said the Morrison government "should try and resolve this in a way that respects engagement with the state government and that recognises that China will observe how this is handled carefully".
"I don't think it has been good to have the Prime Minister and others engaging in a public argument about this."
Privately, Mr Morrison and national security officials have warned Mr Andrews that if he engages in joint infrastructure and other business ventures under BRI, he will be "owned' by Beijing.
Mr Andrews, who had a private conversation with Mr Morrison last week about the BRI, was defensive on Sunday.
He agreed the Australia-China relationship was in bad shape and in desperate need of a reset but tearing up the BRI would not "be resetting anything".
He said ultimate responsibility lay with the federal government.
"This bill was not just about Chinese agreements, it's a broader thing and it is a matter for the federal Parliament to determine whether that's what they want to do or not,'' he said.
Mr Andrews, whose state has a forecast $155 billion net debt, has argued he needs the revenue the BRI deals would create for Victoria.
The relationship with China exploded last week when the Chinese Foreign Ministry tweeted a doctored image of an Australian soldier slitting the throat of a child.
It was a reference to an alleged war crime perpetrated by the SAS in Afghanistan but so enraged Mr Morrison that he issued an immediate denunciation and demanded an apology.
At the same time, Labor accused the government of mismanaging the relations, resulting in accusations it was playing politics with the national interest.
Senator Wong rejected this, saying it was a simple statement of fact that the relationship had broken down under the Coalition's watch.
"In many ways the more important point is, 'what is the strategy?','' she said.
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A nice little surprise Christmas present.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/liberal-party-s-fundraising-arm-might-have-breached-law-over-political-donations-20201223-p56psq.html
Victoria’s tough new political donation laws may face their first major test after the state Liberal Party's fundraising arm diverted hundreds of thousands of dollars of contributions into a federal campaign fund in an apparent attempt to sidestep strict local disclosure rules.
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Another useless stimulus package from Scotty from Marketing.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/most-firms-not-planning-to-use-instant-asset-write-off-20201224-p56q1s.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/most-firms-not-planning-to-use-instant-asset-write-off-20201224-p56q1s.html)
A survey by MYOB has revealed that with just days before the cut-off for firms to make purchases under the $3.2 billion scheme, many businesses are still too worried about the economic future to sink their cash into major expansions.
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Scomo's stannce on Australia day should be applauded. He used the right words today, and im glad he acknowledged everyone, and to those who arrived on this day to build a better life in times of despair and hardship.
Leader.
Happy Australia day to all.
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SNIP :banghead
enough with the baiting, bullying and the trolling or you can enjoy a holiday :banghead
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Haha haven't seen the old snip in a while
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Haha haven't seen the old snip in a while
I had the snip 30 years ago.
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SNIP :banghead
enough with the baiting, bullying and the trolling or you can enjoy a holiday :banghead
wtf WP. Is this directed at me or have i missed something?
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SNIP :banghead
enough with the baiting, bullying and the trolling or you can enjoy a holiday :banghead
wtf WP. Is this directed at me or have i missed something?
Nothing to do with you Frankie
Would say you missed it
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SNIP :banghead
enough with the baiting, bullying and the trolling or you can enjoy a holiday :banghead
wtf WP. Is this directed at me or have i missed something?
Nothing to do with you Frankie
Would say you missed it
:thumbsup
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Looks like Alby has been knifed and is a dead man walking
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The great man has done it again
How is that gold standard vrs other states going for you now Dan.
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Total wipeout in WA. McGowan and Labor have won 50 or so seats out of 59 in the lower house and will gain the majority in the upper house for the first time. Libs look like being reduced to just two seats including their leader losing his seat. If that is how it stays then they will lose their party status in the WA parliament and all the staff and funding that comes with it. The Nats with more seats (4 maybe 5) will technically become the opposition in WA for the first time.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/wa/2021/results
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/wa/2021/guide/lc-results
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PM about to hold a press conference. What's the chances of him resigning?
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PM about to hold a press conference. What's the chances of him resigning?
None apparently.
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good
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He would resign...why?
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PM about to hold a press conference. What's the chances of him resigning?
None apparently.
Attack News Corp again and he won't have to. When the LNP cheerleading Daily Telegraph in Sydney has a negative front page about Morrison you know he is in trouble.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExMM-U4VIAkcSRv.jpg)
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hahaha typical MT, goes missing when his beloved andrews kills a state for 6 months and now magically appears.
So now that your back MT, how did you rate Andrews performance last year when compared to his peers from other states.
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:shh
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hahaha typical MT, goes missing when his beloved andrews kills a state for 6 months and now magically appears.
So now that your back MT, how did you rate Andrews performance last year when compared to his peers from other states.
For the third time ::)
For the record too in case you now have a dig at me for hardly posting, my uncle who was diagnosed with terminal cancer deteriorated significantly from the midpoint of last year and he ultimately died in November. Sorry but family comes first, second and third.
No surprise either you're trying to deflect from the current despicable goings on in Canberra under Sergeant Schulz Scotty from gaslighting and crocodile tears.
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More than almost any other issue, the debate over minimum wages reveals starkly the fundamental schism in Australia’s increasingly unequal economy. On one side are large and powerful companies determined to weaken what remains of workplace laws supporting workers’ incomes. On the other side are millions of workers who depend on minimum wage laws to secure their basic needs, and small businesses which depend on domestic spending power. By opposing a strong increase in the minimum wage when our economy needs it more than ever to fuel recovery from the pandemic, the Coalition government shows clearly what side it is on.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/07/a-rise-in-the-minimum-wage-wont-hurt-australias-recovery-it-will-help-it
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I can feel an election coming.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/mass-raids-arrests-across-australia-after-police-sting-dismantles-encrypted-app-used-by-criminals-20210607-p57yya.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/mass-raids-arrests-across-australia-after-police-sting-dismantles-encrypted-app-used-by-criminals-20210607-p57yya.html)
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Gotta love Jeff Kennett
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/daniel-andrews-must-hand-over-leadership-so-we-can-start-rebuilding/news-story/0a0446cc975ed1cb1166f5608a6adcb5 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/daniel-andrews-must-hand-over-leadership-so-we-can-start-rebuilding/news-story/0a0446cc975ed1cb1166f5608a6adcb5)
We can’t remove the government, and they are unlikely to resign. So this government will remain in office until the election in November next year.
So, it is time for Premier Andrews to take one for the Team. Team Victoria, his own team, the ALP.
He needs to do a Buckley and stand down. Resign. Hand over the reins of leadership to a new face. One who can start the process of rebuilding.
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Barnaby is back as Nats leader. He also steps in immediately as acting PM while Morrison is absent.
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Barnaby is back as Nats leader. He also steps in immediately as acting PM while Morrison is absent.
I'm sure he has to be sworn in first. Seems like we will headless for a while.
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Mr Orange is back
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Heaven help us.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/even-berejiklian-is-fed-up-with-the-pm-who-she-privately-regards-as-an-evil-bully-20210827-p58mde.html
Berejiklian is a Liberal team player who keeps her grievances about Morrison private. But, in private, she is scathing. The NSW Premier has told Liberal colleagues she’d have preferred that Peter Dutton had won the last federal leadership ballot
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Word I'm getting is that Dutton is starting to count the numbers. Especially after today's Newspoll that put the coalition behind 46 to 54.
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The silence from the Liberal/Right leaning posters on this thread is indicative of what is happening in Australia.
The voters have made up their mind and have stopped listening to the Coalition.
Expect a landslide victory and some much needed time on the opposition's benches for the Liberals.
We need a strong opposition to make our Westminster political system work.
Pity we won't get it until the Coalition goes through a whole lot of pain.
:cheers
was it the same source who predicted this, trump losing 5 years ago, and im sure there were plenty more over the years but i cbf going back and looking.
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WTF Talk about clutching at straws.
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As early as tomorrow according to the HeraldSun.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-opposition-leader-michael-obrien-facing-spill/news-story/561d9f07f9ab847462d753f759ed4402
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Liberal frontbenchers Matthew Guy and Tim Smith resigned from Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien’s shadow cabinet on Monday morning ahead of a planned leadership spill this week.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/liberal-leadership-challenge-looms-for-michael-o-brien-as-matthew-guy-resigns-from-shadow-cabinet-20210906-p58p3g.html
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Vic Liberals are meeting Tuesday 7:45am. The Matthew Guy forces are confident of a win.
But there is talk already that Tim Smith is the Leader that will face Dan Andrews next year,
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Spill motion was 20-11 in favour. O'Brien conceded. So Guy is back as Victorian opposition leader.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/victorian-liberal-leadership-michael-obrien-matthew-guy/100439184
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A bold step backwards for the Liberal Party.
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Had to happen.
That O'Brien is a dead set stuffwit and would have tanked the next election against anyone bar a self confessed terrorist.
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Gladys has resigned. In the end she couldn't stand the heat.
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Gladys has resigned. In the end she couldn't stand the heat.
She’s a disgrace
CYA
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One can only hope Andrews follows her which of course we know he won’t
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One can only hope Andrews follows her which of course we know he won’t
Why do you think Gladys has resigned?
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NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced her resignation, after the state’s corruption watchdog revealed that she was under investigation.
The NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) is probing whether Ms Berejiklian breached public trust when she awarded grants to several community organisations between 2012 and 2018.
It will hold public hearings later this month to investigate whether there was a conflict between Ms Berejiklian’s public duties and private interests when she was in a personal relationship with then-MP Daryl Maguire.
The ICAC will hold public hearings as part of Operation Keppel from Monday, October 18.
The Premier will be questioned about grants awarded or promised to the Australian Clay Target Association in Wagga Wagga and to the Riverina Conservatorium of Music in Wagga Wagga at a time when Mr Maguire was the local member.
The hearings will examine whether the Ms Berejiklian breached public trust by failing to report anything in relation to her then boyfriend Mr Maguire that she suspected could constitute corrupt conduct.
The ICAC is also investigating whether Mr Maguire used his position as a member of the NSW Parliament to gain an improper benefit for himself and his associates.
Mr Maguire, who Ms Berejiklian had a "close personal relationship" with for five years, resigned from Parliament in disgrace in 2018.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/icac-investigating-gladys-berejiklian-daryl-maguire/100506956
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One can only hope Andrews follows her which of course we know he won’t
Why do you think Gladys has resigned?
FJ?
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well that would be the same reason why andrews should be doing the same.
They are pathetic.
You disagree?
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Gladys has resigned. In the end she couldn't stand the heat.
I am no Gladys fan.
But she has resigned because she is adhering to the standards she imposed on all in her government. And that was if anyone was being investigated by ICAC for corruption then had to resign from her government. She has gone a step further and resigned from politics.
For this I give her credit. Yes, she basically had no choice but she made the call rather than hanging on in the hope it would pass
It is a pity a few more didn't have the moral fibre to do the same.
Corruption is rife in Australian politics
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yes corruption but not when its the other side especially as we have seen lately. :shh
Fancy Andrews still kicking around, while o'farrel and now gladys have resigned in disgrace over a bottle of wine and who knows what comes from this.
Even if we had ICAC in Victoria Andrews would never resign like she did today.
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yes corruption but not when its the other side especially as we have seen lately. :shh
Fancy Andrews still kicking around, while o'farrel and now gladys have resigned in disgrace over a bottle of wine and who knows what comes from this.
Even if we had ICAC in Victoria Andrews would never resign like she did today.
Umm the Gladys situation is about a fair bit more than a bottle of wine, a tad more serious than that
It is somewhat ironic that you complain about bias constantly but your posts are always somehow biased.
We have ICAC in Victoria, in case you missed it Samuorek (sp) ex ALP state MP has been ordered to appear before it next week.
ICAC = Independent Commission Against Corruption it deals with corruption issues only. I suppose it comes down to your definition of corruption
The only level of Government that currently does not an ICAC is federal, despite the current PM promising to establish one over 20 months ago...
As I said corruption is rife in Australian politics. Has been for decades (refer NSW ALP Premier Neville Wran) but it is getting worse not better
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Victoria's anti-corruption commission is called IBAC (Independent Broad‑based Anti‑corruption) https://www.ibac.vic.gov.au/.
If there was a federal ICAC then half of the federal cabinet would be on its books.
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yes corruption but not when its the other side especially as we have seen lately. :shh
Fancy Andrews still kicking around, while o'farrel and now gladys have resigned in disgrace over a bottle of wine and who knows what comes from this.
Even if we had ICAC in Victoria Andrews would never resign like she did today.
Umm the Gladys situation is about a fair bit more than a bottle of wine, a tad more serious than that
It is somewhat ironic that you complain about bias constantly but your posts are always somehow biased.
We have ICAC in Victoria, in case you missed it Samuorek (sp) ex ALP state MP has been ordered to appear before it next week.
ICAC = Independent Commission Against Corruption it deals with corruption issues only. I suppose it comes down to your definition of corruption
The only level of Government that currently does not an ICAC is federal, despite the current PM promising to establish one over 20 months ago...
As I said corruption is rife in Australian politics. Has been for decades (refer NSW ALP Premier Neville Wran) but it is getting worse not better
WTF Are you on about? to quote i said gladys resigned in disgrace, did i mention it wasn't serious? She is the same as Andrews imv. At least I can see it unlike yourself. I expect you to backtrack on your statement, but of course you seem to pick and choose when it comes to last years events so I doubt that will be be forthcoming.
I also suggest you see my reply to 65's comment and perhaps tell me if you disagree with my statement? I was simply highlighting how ridiculous that a guy resigned over a bottle of wine and this corruptness in the alp is allowed to continue.
There are many examples, none more so that last years disaster and the i cant recall shambolic nature of what we endured.
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FJ
Can you explain how Dan Andrews is corrupt?
Thanks
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Dan8el Andrews has been the worst Premier Victoria has ever had. He has imprisoned his whole state population longer than anywhere else in the world. He has imposed disgraceful curfews and laws. He is responsible for the loss if thousands of jobs and business closures. He can get stuffed for all I care.
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Dan8el Andrews has been the worst Premier Victoria has ever had. He has imprisoned his whole state population longer than anywhere else in the world. He has imposed disgraceful curfews and laws. He is responsible for the loss if thousands of jobs and business closures. He can get stuffed for all I care.
Yes we know your opinion of him but is there any sign of corruption?
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Dan8el Andrews has been the worst Premier Victoria has ever had. He has imprisoned his whole state population longer than anywhere else in the world. He has imposed disgraceful curfews and laws. He is responsible for the loss if thousands of jobs and business closures. He can get stuffed for all I care.
Yes we know your opinion of him but is there any sign of corruption?
can you explain if gladys or scomo is corrupt.
Yes or No.
You seem to have all the answers. When scomo went to hawaiii it was like he committed murder in your book.
Andrews presided over a department that is being investigated for 80 breaches from worksafe, run by a CEO who is a former staffer from the bracks and brumby governments. Let that sink in.
Has presided over a state which is now the worlds worst lockdown state.
A wife who was not breath tested whilst running over a boy. Didnt he promise 4000 beds and lie about it the other day. Could be wrong as i dont listen to him like 65 does.
company part owned by a former ALP Vice President, and daughter who works for andrews offered a 70 million dollar contract to conduct security training without due process- all good nothing to see here
Countless lies, that if they operated under the same ethos as NSW libs he would have handed in his resignation.Dan8el Andrews has been the worst Premier Victoria has ever had. He has imprisoned his whole state population longer than anywhere else in the world. He has imposed disgraceful curfews and laws. He is responsible for the loss if thousands of jobs and business closures. He can get stuffed for all I care.
Putting it nicely ramps.
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Dan8el Andrews has been the worst Premier Victoria has ever had. He has imprisoned his whole state population longer than anywhere else in the world. He has imposed disgraceful curfews and laws. He is responsible for the loss if thousands of jobs and business closures. He can get stuffed for all I care.
Putting it nicely ramps.
And yet Andrews survives and Gladys has resigned. If she was innocent surely she would have stayed on as Premier.
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Interesting article.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-must-do-better-than-dominic-perrottet-as-premier-20211003-p58wtf.html
Yet, within a day, it is possible that NSW, self-described as the most progressive state in the federation, may have, in Dominic Perrottet, a premier not only living under a cloud for mismanagement of the state’s workers’ compensation scheme, iCare, but who is also a highly conservative Catholic with views that represent the most extreme end of a rigidly male-dominated institutional church.
At the same time, we have in our federal Parliament a Prime Minister who genuinely believes his own election was a literal miracle. He lives alongside the oldest surviving culture in the world, the First Nations, that can trace their living history back 60,000 or more years. Sacred sites, geology, art, stories, anthropology, and earth sciences all attest to this. Yet Morrison and his fellow Pentecostal Christians believe the world was created a mere 6000 years ago. What’s more, the world as we know it will soon come to an end, with a Rapture seeing the “Elect” ascending to their eternal reward while the rest of us, including Christians of other denominations, will suffer for their ignorance, also eternally. That certainly puts climate concerns back in their corner.
Should any of this matter? Or that while such views are held by only 1 per cent of the wider population, we now have in Morrison’s cabinet perhaps 15 per cent of members who ascribe to the same decidedly non-mainstream Pentecostal beliefs?
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WTF Are you on about? to quote i said gladys resigned in disgrace, did i mention it wasn't serious? She is the same as Andrews imv. At least I can see it unlike yourself. I expect you to backtrack on your statement, but of course you seem to pick and choose when it comes to last years events so I doubt that will be be forthcoming.
I also suggest you see my reply to 65's comment and perhaps tell me if you disagree with my statement? I was simply highlighting how ridiculous that a guy resigned over a bottle of wine and this corruptness in the alp is allowed to continue.
There are many examples, none more so that last years disaster and the i cant recall shambolic nature of what we endured.
I will keep this short
You posted:
Fancy Andrews still kicking around, while o'farrel and now gladys have resigned in disgrace over a bottle of wine and who knows what comes from this.
You posted that, they are your words yes?
I posted
Umm the Gladys situation is about a fair bit more than a bottle of wine, a tad more serious than that
You posts implies Gladys resigned in disgrace over a bottle of wine. I said it is a tad bit more serious than that?
it is don't you think?
Then as always you start a tirade that includes baiting and dare I say it bullying ....
I look forward to your stock standard attack on me over my comments above....
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The NSW deputy premier and leader of the Nats John Barilaro has quit too.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-04/nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-resigns/100511638
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FJ
Can you explain how Dan Andrews is corrupt?
Thanks
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FJ
I know you think he is incompetent. We will have to agree to disagree on that point. But corrupt?
Can you please explain or point out any examples of corruption?
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65 so let me understand this correctly. This is a probe, so innocent until proven yada yada yada, and if it was in NSW what would have happened?
Furthermore, the CEO of ibac is a former staffer with the andrews government. Ditto Worksafe. Trust me i'm trying to make things up about your esteemed leader but i really dont have to. I hope one day there is a royal commission into last years events, but that will never happen as the hapless opposition will never be in power.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-probe-corruption-financial-misconduct-in-mfb-as-ibac-looks-into-andrews/news-story/e6b71aa1e790a221402f2c7c68ef10d7
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Royal commission into a lot of things.
Why wasn't there a national quarantine setup on Christmas Island at a federal level?
Failing that, why we're all states not required to accept their own populations back for quarantine?
Why were the federally managed nursing homes hung out to dry.
List goes on. I just hope that pollies in power learn from their mistakes and make better decisions moving forward. We live in extraordinary times at the moment.
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Trust me i'm trying to make things up about your esteemed leader but i really dont have to.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-probe-corruption-financial-misconduct-in-mfb-as-ibac-looks-into-andrews/news-story/e6b71aa1e790a221402f2c7c68ef10d7 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-probe-corruption-financial-misconduct-in-mfb-as-ibac-looks-into-andrews/news-story/e6b71aa1e790a221402f2c7c68ef10d7)
Did you really mean to say this?
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Trust me i'm trying to make things up about your esteemed leader but i really dont have to.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-probe-corruption-financial-misconduct-in-mfb-as-ibac-looks-into-andrews/news-story/e6b71aa1e790a221402f2c7c68ef10d7 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-probe-corruption-financial-misconduct-in-mfb-as-ibac-looks-into-andrews/news-story/e6b71aa1e790a221402f2c7c68ef10d7)
Did you really mean to say this?
Trust me i'm trying to make things up about your esteemed leader but i really dont have to.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-probe-corruption-financial-misconduct-in-mfb-as-ibac-looks-into-andrews/news-story/e6b71aa1e790a221402f2c7c68ef10d7 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-probe-corruption-financial-misconduct-in-mfb-as-ibac-looks-into-andrews/news-story/e6b71aa1e790a221402f2c7c68ef10d7)
Did you really mean to say this?
perhaps not the right wording, but is that your reply?
also can you respond to what has scomo or gladys done illegally?
I think its fair to say both sides have a lot to answer for, and the independants with their side deals are no better.
Dan8el Andrews has been the worst Premier Victoria has ever had. He has imprisoned his whole state population longer than anywhere else in the world. He has imposed disgraceful curfews and laws. He is responsible for the loss if thousands of jobs and business closures. He can get stuffed for all I care.
Putting it nicely ramps.
And yet Andrews survives and Gladys has resigned. If she was innocent surely she would have stayed on as Premier.
maybe, maybe not. Do you actually understand why she made the call to leave, which may be for the reason you suggested, though it may be for the other one.
look it up
edited to correct quote
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maybe, maybe not. Do you actually understand why she made the call to leave, which may be for the reason you suggested, though it may be for the other one.
look it up
Do tell
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They stand down when investigated, irrespective of the guilty status . Nsw that is.
ICAC v IBAC
ICAC is seen to have more power than Victoria’s IBAC. The ICAC can make specific findings for an offence of “corrupt conduct”, while the IBAC can investigate only once it has reasonable suspicion of misconduct. ICAC’s public hearings are more frequent.
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this is the article that appeared in yesterday's Age (and other Ch9/Fairfax papers) re Andrews & IBAC that started the media frenzy
Speaking to my legal friend about it last night they said to me it is interesting that the Age has chosen their words very carefully around Andrews, using terms like "examining, scrutinising, strands of investigation". Even devoting an entire paragraph to say this is totally different to what happened to Gladys. I did ask if there was a reason they'd do that and the answer was yes, all legalities around false accusations etc..
Anyways don't shot the messenger, thought it was only fair to post the actual article
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IBAC scrutiny on Andrews over firefighters’ union deal
By Nick McKenzie, Sumeyya Ilanbey and Paul Sakkal
October 6, 2021 — 4.00am
Victoria’s anti-corruption body has been examining the conduct of Premier Daniel Andrews and a senior public servant over their role in controversial deals that benefited the firefighters’ union and its boss, Peter Marshall.
While it has been known since 2019 that the Independent Broad-based Anti-Corruption Commission (IBAC) has been investigating dealings involving the United Firefighters Union (UFU), the fact that its investigators have been scrutinising the Premier’s conduct has not before been confirmed.
Sources with knowledge of the investigation who are not authorised to comment publicly have confirmed that one aspect of the IBAC investigation involved scrutiny of the Premier’s actions.
The commission has also questioned whether Mr Andrews was transparent in advising the Victorian public or his cabinet or caucus colleagues about his interventions in dealings with the UFU.
The commission refused to comment on its investigation and Mr Andrews on Tuesday repeatedly declined to comment on whether he was aware IBAC was investigating his dealings with the firefighters’ union.
“I will direct you to IBAC if you want to ask them questions about what they’re doing and not doing,” Mr Andrews said. In July 2019, Mr Andrews said the IBAC probe into the union’s activities “doesn’t involve me”.
Interactions between the Andrews government and the union were controversial between 2014 and 2019 as the firefighters’ union leader, Peter Marshall, sought ultimately successfully to influence an industrial deal and a reform package involving Victoria’s fire services to favour his union and its members.
Sources have confirmed the commission has been investigating the activities of Mr Marshall and senior public servant Tony Bates. Mr Bates worked in the Department of Premier and Cabinet and was assigned the task of dealing with Mr Marshall and the union’s demands.
How the deadlock was broken by the Premier, Mr Bates and Mr Marshall, and whether it involved any improper conduct, is one of the strands of the IBAC investigation.
The Age has also confirmed that in addition to interviewing former and serving Labor MPs and staffers about the deal, IBAC investigators have seized mobile phones, laptops and dozens of USBs belonging to the UFU or its secretary, Mr Marshall. Among those interviewed this year by IBAC are former members of the Premier’s inner circle.
Mr Andrews said on Tuesday that, “in my experience and in my judgment” Mr Bates had always acted with integrity in his interactions with Mr Marshall and the union.
“That’s not a matter for me to determine,” he said. “I’ve been very clear over all my time in public life that integrity agencies should have the full support of the government and every member of it.” In certain circumstances, it may be an offence for a person to comment on IBAC’s activities.
Mr Bates, a deputy secretary in the Education Department, declined to comment when contacted by The Age. Mr Marshall did not respond to repeated messages.
Two former members of Mr Andrews’ inner circle said there was nothing to suggest the Premier had acted inappropriately and queried whether IBAC had a place scrutinising political and industrial negotiations. Some serving members of Mr Andrews’ cabinet who spoke to The Age this week said lack of transparency about the Premier and Mr Bates’ dealings with the UFU raised probity issues, but others were dismissive of suggestions that any such dealings had reached the level justifying an adverse finding by IBAC.
A second investigative strand of the IBAC inquiry involves dealings between Mr Marshall and Animal Justice Party MP Andy Meddick, whose vote helped pass the union-backed fire services reform legislation after his child was given a two-week paid placement at the UFU.
When asked last year if the Premier had knowledge of Mr Meddick’s child getting a short-term job at the union, a government spokesman said: “None whatsoever.” Mr Meddick last year told The Age he had voted on the fire services reform based on “my values, party policy, my trade union background and consultation with many firefighters across the state”. Mr Meddick also said the job had been awarded to his child on her merits.
He said he had declared his position on the bill to Mr Marshall “well before” it was debated in Parliament and to the government soon after he was elected in 2018.
The Independent Broad-based Anti-Corruption Commission has extraordinary powers of investigation, but under commissioner Robert Redlich has generally adopted a cautious approach in publicly airing details of its investigations.
This is especially so given the grey area that can surround government deal-making with unions and conduct that does not involve explicit “brown paper bag” corruption, but rather issues of public trust and use of official power. In the case of the UFU’s dealings with the Andrews government, the issues under investigation involve questions around the appropriate use of political power and the transparency of closed-doors negotiations held to strike a deal that may have benefited the UFU and Labor but at a cost that may have been ultimately borne by the taxpayer.
In contrast to the corruption commission inquiry that led to the resignation on Friday of former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian, there is no suggestion that Mr Andrews has not disclosed a personal interest. Unlike the case of the former NSW Premier, IBAC has given no indication it intends to hold public hearings or spelled out that it is probing adverse allegations involving Mr Andrews.
The IBAC investigation into the UFU’s dealings commenced in mid-2019 and it has been stalled on multiple occasions by legal challenges, the nature of which are suppressed.
“As a matter of practice, IBAC does not comment on whether it has a complaint or investigation before it,” an agency spokesperson said this week.
It has previously been reported in media outlets that Mr Marshall claimed that Mr Andrews had made pre-election commitments to the UFU that may not have been disclosed publicly. Mr Marshall insisted that Mr Andrews needed to honour these commitments.
Among the outcomes of the dealings between the UFU and the Andrews government was the fire services reform bill. The bill passed Parliament in 2019 after 4½ years, and claimed the scalps of one minister, Jane Garrett, and two fire chiefs, Lucinda Nolan and Joe Buffone.
The Andrews government also sacked the entire Country Fire Authority (CFA) board in 2016 at the height of tensions.
The legislation enabled the CFA’s 1220 brigades to become volunteer-only and stations with career firefighters to merge with the Metropolitan Fire Brigade, to become known as Fire Rescue Victoria. The move was seen by volunteer firefighters and the Victorian opposition as a union power grab.
Little information about the IBAC investigation, apart from the fact it is ongoing, has been made public since it commenced in early 2019. Over several weeks, The Age has pieced together the most complete picture of the IBAC inquiry.
The anti-corruption agency can only move an investigation from preliminary phase to a full-blown probe if it believes the allegations it has received about misconduct are not frivolous or vexatious and involve the dishonest use of power.
It has jurisdiction over those members of the UFU who are employees of the state fire services body, which makes them public servants. Members of Parliament are also subject to IBAC’s jurisdiction.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/victoria/ibac-scrutiny-on-andrews-over-firefighters-union-deal-20211005-p58xhm.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed
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And on another politics issue (sort of)
Mark Stevens who quit his Chief Football Reporter gig at Ch7 to take up a role as head of media for the State Opposition Leader (Michael O'Brien) has after just 3 months quit that gig to go back to being a journo.
:help
:lol
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Dan8el Andrews has been the worst Premier Victoria has ever had. He has imprisoned his whole state population longer than anywhere else in the world. He has imposed disgraceful curfews and laws. He is responsible for the loss if thousands of jobs and business closures. He can get stuffed for all I care.
Yes we know your opinion of him but is there any sign of corruption?
can you explain if gladys or scomo is corrupt.
Yes or No.
You seem to have all the answers. When scomo went to hawaiii it was like he committed murder in your book.
Andrews presided over a department that is being investigated for 80 breaches from worksafe, run by a CEO who is a former staffer from the bracks and brumby governments. Let that sink in.
Has presided over a state which is now the worlds worst lockdown state.
A wife who was not breath tested whilst running over a boy. Didnt he promise 4000 beds and lie about it the other day. Could be wrong as i dont listen to him like 65 does.
company part owned by a former ALP Vice President, and daughter who works for andrews offered a 70 million dollar contract to conduct security training without due process- all good nothing to see here
Countless lies, that if they operated under the same ethos as NSW libs he would have handed in his resignation.Dan8el Andrews has been the worst Premier Victoria has ever had. He has imprisoned his whole state population longer than anywhere else in the world. He has imposed disgraceful curfews and laws. He is responsible for the loss if thousands of jobs and business closures. He can get stuffed for all I care.
Putting it nicely ramps.
still waiting 65?
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Well, we will see what ICAC does with Gladys. And as for Morrison do you ever wonder why we haven't got a Federal corruption commission?
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Latest Newspoll has Labor on 54% to the Coalition 46%.
So I'm guessing no early election.
Still expect Morrison to retire early especially if he looks like losing.
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A bit quiet in here tonight. :lol
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I'm too flat to care these days 65
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/liberal-mp-tim-smith-resigns-after-crashing-car-driving-more-than-twice-legal-limit-20211031-p594pt.html
A plus for all sides if little dimmy Timmy has to quit politics over this.
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Police were prevented from arresting Labor MPs over ‘red shirts’ rort:
Detectives in Victoria Police’s fraud squad urged force command to consider arresting and prosecuting up to 16 Andrews government MPs over the “red shirts” rorting affair, according to highly sensitive internal police briefings, but their plan was knocked back by senior officers.
The secret police files from late 2018, the contents of which have been confirmed by three whistleblowers, reveal that detectives were directed by high-ranking officers to make sure that 16 named members of Parliament “not be arrested, photographed, searched if they are interviewed”.
If someone can post the rest of the article that would be good, though I’m sure it says enough.
Perhaps it was the same officers who refused to breath test “someone” after running over a kid on a bike 🚴 :shh
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/police-were-prevented-from-arresting-labor-mps-over-red-shirts-rort-documents-20211111-p5984j.html
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Interesting year next year will be in a political sense methinks.
Dictator Dan and Scotty from Marketing are both up for re-election.
A Socialist dictator and a free enterprise ad-man. Any thoughts on the results?
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Labor will win in Victoria
Federal 50/50
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Labor will win in Victoria
Federal 50/50
This is about right although I put Libs ahead maybe 60-40.
And to be honest it's mostly because the opposition alternative isn't great.
Or as they say in South Park, a choice between a douchebag and a turd sandwich in every election.
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Interesting year next year will be in a political sense methinks.
Dictator Dan and Scotty from Marketing are both up for re-election.
A Socialist dictator and a free enterprise ad-man. Any thoughts on the results?
On what basis should I vote to re-elect Dan Andrews?
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I have no idea how you should vote.
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I have no idea how you should vote.
That’s not my question. Are you unable to answer it?
I’m a free swinging voter looking to gather information in advance of the election.
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Labor will be returned in Victoria simply because the Lib/Nats need to win 19 seats and that isn't going to happen
Federally, I think we will end up with a minority government, most likely a Coalition minority.
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I have no idea how you should vote.
That’s not my question. Are you unable to answer it?
I’m a free swinging voter looking to gather information in advance of the election.
Okay, here we go.
Factors to consider when voting in the Vic State election.
1. Previous voting patterns. Between 60% and 80% of voters are rusted on to a party and will usually vote the same way regardless.
2. Choosing between parties and policies. Fraught with danger as they are all prone to misleading statements and promises they can't or don't want to keep.
3. Choosing between Leaders. Also fraught with danger for obvious reasons. (think Tony Abbott or Kevin Rudd for example)
4. Choosing between local candidates. My preferred option as you have the opportunity to meet them in person and make a more reasoned decision.
5. A protest vote. If you think Labor is a shoe-in then you may consider a protest vote. In the words of the late Don Chipp, "keep the bastards honest".
6. Past performance. Only applicable to Labor as they have been in for a long time. Voting on past performance can go either way depending on how you think the Government has gone. Think Covid response or infrastructure spending for example.
In summary it is an individual decision.
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Thanks ‘65.
Appreciate it.
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A good read from NEWS.com
"All of this is simply a matter of fact. Whatever the feverish fear and fury, whatever the cognitive dissonance of the nation, there can be only one reality. The truth is the truth. And the rest will fall at its feet."
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/joe-hildebrand-national-cabinet-lies-are-coming-home-to-roost-with-omicron/news-story/6e37caf4cfc5ae218082f69f3ddc3c32
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A good read from NEWS.com
"All of this is simply a matter of fact. Whatever the feverish fear and fury, whatever the cognitive dissonance of the nation, there can be only one reality. The truth is the truth. And the rest will fall at its feet."
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/joe-hildebrand-national-cabinet-lies-are-coming-home-to-roost-with-omicron/news-story/6e37caf4cfc5ae218082f69f3ddc3c32
More clueless clickbait and strawman nonsense from that attention seeking NSW cheerleading muppet Hildebrand :sleep.
I'd like to know how Hildebrand believes we should have been doing a year and a half ago what we are doing now when in 2020 there was no covid vaccine and our whole population was unvaccinated :huh3. So Hildebrand is saying he would have totally opened up and allowed covid and its more severe variants like delta to let rip upon an unvaccinated society :help. What a freaking moron! :facepalm.
ps. As for Perrottet, this is the guy who in the NSW cabinet opposed any idea of a lockdown to combat the delta outbreak which the failure to do so in Eastern Sydney ended up spreading delta to and locking down half the country. Then as the new premier he abolished even simple measures such as masks and QR codes in NSW for purely blind ideological reasons against the health advice only to backflip just 4 days later along with bringing back density limits when that initial decision blew up in his face. Yeah Joe, the rest of the country should be copying the NSW govt :rollin.
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MT loves lockdown life :)
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A good read from NEWS.com
"All of this is simply a matter of fact. Whatever the feverish fear and fury, whatever the cognitive dissonance of the nation, there can be only one reality. The truth is the truth. And the rest will fall at its feet."
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/joe-hildebrand-national-cabinet-lies-are-coming-home-to-roost-with-omicron/news-story/6e37caf4cfc5ae218082f69f3ddc3c32
Handled himself superbly has Dominic. Gladys also during this pandemic. No work mandates for the entire population resulted in leas chaos and segregation.
I’m up here as we speak and can tell you it’s a great vibe from Bondi to Watsons bay to darling harbour. If you want a sense of normal life take a trip up here. I suspect as has happened many times most states will follow Nsw lead.
NYE fireworks was the best display I have ever seen, some say best ever, and I hear Melbourne was the worst ever 💩
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MT loves lockdown life :)
Branch Covidians..... :shh
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MT loves lockdown life :)
Branch Covidians..... :shh
:yep
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MT loves lockdown life :)
Another BS strawman is all you've got :lol.
Show me where I stated we should be in lockdown once the population was largely vaccinated? In fact, I posted the opposite in August last year.
You can't ignore cases (and especially the exponentially rising cases in NSW) when the vast majority of the population is still unvaccinated. More unvaccinated cases equals more hospital admissions and more ICU beds taken up. The health system would be overrun if we just "opened up" now :facepalm.
The remainder of the year is going to be about balance and each state will have to weigh up what is best for them. The required % of the population need to be vaccinated is proportional to the infectiousness of the virus. The Doherty report claims 70-80% is required with existing community cases before we can even begin to start to open up and not swamp our health system. There's still going to be some restrictions especially for the unvaccinated to control hospitalisations and deaths. With all that, 80% according to their modelling will result in 1200 deaths nationwide which equates to a bad flu season. That's manageable.
Ideally once we reach that figure in October/November, we will continue to strive to vaccinate even more people (hopefully the kids as well if they are allowed to) to reach 90-95% which is the level for highly infectious diseases such as Measles. Things like wearing masks on crowded PT may still be recommended and a culture of 'politeness' similar to some eastern Asian countries may develop but at 95% of the total population we should able to open up completely (OS borders, etc) IMO as you're effectively crushing covid at that level.
As for states like WA, SA & Qld who are effectively fairly open already internally, they'd be asking themselves why follow a federal 'plan' if other states have a large number of cases and it would make things worse for their state and citizens than it is now. They're not put into power to appease Canberra, Sydney or Melbourne and may think it would be better for them to wait until they reach that higher 90-95% vaccinated target before opening borders and letting covid in.
The sooking minority who are refusing to get vaccinated can't whinge about lack of "freedom" when they are deliberating acting against what is needed to be done to get to that "freedom".
The new Omicron variant and the rising case numbers has meant the need to bring "forward" the booster program ("forward" in terms that we were/are behind in our vaccine rollout thanks to Slomo). The 5-11 year olds begin their vaccination program tomorrow IIRC which will eventually and significantly increase the overall population vaccinated (currently at 77% which needs to be higher). The positive is the vaccines work as of those in Victorian ICUs all are NOT double dose vaccinated. Vaccinations keep us open.
The current issue is the lack of supply of rapid antigen tests and some despicable price gouging now going on thanks once again to useless Morrison and his Feds who have stuffed another thing up and again left it to the states to fix. Don't lecture the public about "personal responsibility" when Morrison continually displays none of it failing to lead, and don't tell people to "live with covid" when the public can't access a simple RAT because Morrison failed again to plan ahead and his corporate Liberal mates sooked and wanted to make a buck out of the pandemic. Just like his failure with the "it's not a race" vaccine rollout and quarantine, this will cost the country even more in the long run. RATs are free in the UK, US & Singapore.
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A lot of what you blame Morrison for is not his fault but that of your lockdown hero....:shh
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Which countries are the RAT’s NOT complimentary? :shh
Wasn’t everyone’s favourite Arden the other Pm who struggled to her her hands on vaccines and also now RAT’s?
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You have to be kidding.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/scott-morrison-admits-he-gets-rapid-antigen-tests-for-free/news-story/d393f5486328d4eb609a310041af90d5
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has revealed he’s never personally bought a rapid Covid test and gets taxpayer-funded tests at work for free or his wife to find them.
Just days after telling voters that Australia was at that stage of the pandemic where you can‘t “just go around and make everything free”, the PM has confirmed they are free for him at work and for other ministers.
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A lot of what you blame Morrison for is not his fault but that of your lockdown hero....:shh
It's the hunger games across the country trying to get a rapid antigen test yet you want to try and blame it on a single state premier :lol.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison via Hunt publicly promised in September last year that by November 1 anyone who wanted a RAT would be able to get one.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison wanted RATs to be a corporate opportunity for his Liberal mates who sooked about making a buck rather than RATs being the universal public health measure they should be.
Yeah it's someone else's fault when that backfired publicly Morrison announces another ill-planned 'quick fix' which has no system to implement it and no way of recording positive RATs. Morrison then tries to dump the responsibility on already swamped GPs without any communication with them. As usual each state has to come up with their own state-based system as Morrison is useless and no leader.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that when the TWU warned Morrison back in October last year about the need for RATs in their industry to keep truckies on the road and avoid disruptions in supply chains and empty shelves in supermarkets, Morrison ignored the warning.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't reply to Pfizer's approach to Australia offering millions of doses.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't sign on to buy Pfizer when the UK & US did.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison failed to procure enough vaccine while BSing to us that we were at the front of the queue for the vaccine.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison told us the vaccine rollout "wasn't a race" when we were last in the OECD and 117th in the world by the start of last winter.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds repeatedly kept failing to meet its own vaccine targets. Promises of 4m doses in March became promises of 4m doses of April became less than a tenth of that in reality with just 5% of the population vaccinated heading into last winter six months after the vaccines were available.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds didn't build purpose built quarantine facilities when quarantine is a commonwealth responsibility.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison tried to claim Novak entering the country was Victoria's decision when the issuing of visas are and have always been a federal govt responsibility. He then flip flops to try to look tough sprouting "rules are rules" and it's blown up in his face because it was his federal home affairs dept that issued Novak's visa in the first place before later cancelling it. Not that I have any sympathy for anti-vaxxer Djokovic. He allegedly claims that he tested positive for covid on Dec 16 yet he hosted a large function with kids the following day. So either he's lying about having had covid three weeks ago or he's a prick that doesn't care about anyone else's health including kids.
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Which countries are the RAT’s NOT complimentary? :shh
Wasn’t everyone’s favourite Arden the other Pm who struggled to her her hands on vaccines and also now RAT’s?
Lucy Turnbull retweeted these figures:
‘One of these is not like the other ones’ — isn’t there a #Playschool song with words like that?
Rapid Antigen Test pricing worldwide:
Thailand Free - $2.00
India - $2.00
Switzerland AUD$4.00
Germany €1.00 - €5.00
Spain €2.50
Portugal €2.50 at restaurants
France free at restaurants
Cambodia AUD$2.50
Singapore free
UK free
US free
NZ free
Australia $45.00
https://twitter.com/LucyTurnbull_AO/status/1479424291615563777
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A lot of what you blame Morrison for is not his fault but that of your lockdown hero....:shh
It's the hunger games across the country trying to get a rapid antigen test yet you want to try and blame it on a single state premier :lol.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison via Hunt publicly promised in September last year that by November 1 anyone who wanted a RAT would be able to get one.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison wanted RATs to be a corporate opportunity for his Liberal mates who sooked about making a buck rather than RATs being the universal public health measure they should be.
Yeah it's someone else's fault when that backfired publicly Morrison announces another ill-planned 'quick fix' which has no system to implement it and no way of recording positive RATs. Morrison then tries to dump the responsibility on already swamped GPs without any communication with them. As usual each state has to come up with their own state-based system as Morrison is useless and no leader.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that when the TWU warned Morrison back in October last year about the need for RATs in their industry to keep truckies on the road and avoid disruptions in supply chains and empty shelves in supermarkets, Morrison ignored the warning.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't reply to Pfizer's approach to Australia offering millions of doses.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't sign on to buy Pfizer when the UK & US did.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison failed to procure enough vaccine while BSing to us that we were at the front of the queue for the vaccine.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison told us the vaccine rollout "wasn't a race" when we were last in the OECD and 117th in the world by the start of last winter.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds repeatedly kept failing to meet its own vaccine targets. Promises of 4m doses in March became promises of 4m doses of April became less than a tenth of that in reality with just 5% of the population vaccinated heading into last winter six months after the vaccines were available.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds didn't build purpose built quarantine facilities when quarantine is a commonwealth responsibility.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison tried to claim Novak entering the country was Victoria's decision when the issuing of visas are and have always been a federal govt responsibility. He then flip flops to try to look tough sprouting "rules are rules" and it's blown up in his face because it was his federal home affairs dept that issued Novak's visa in the first place before later cancelling it. Not that I have any sympathy for anti-vaxxer Djokovic. He allegedly claims that he tested positive for covid on Dec 16 yet he hosted a large function with kids the following day. So either he's lying about having had covid three weeks ago or he's a prick that doesn't care about anyone else's health including kids.
Wow. And l thought I hated the prick. 😁
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Which countries are the RAT’s NOT complimentary? :shh
Wasn’t everyone’s favourite Arden the other Pm who struggled to her her hands on vaccines and also now RAT’s?
Lucy Turnbull retweeted these figures:
‘One of these is not like the other ones’ — isn’t there a #Playschool song with words like that?
Rapid Antigen Test pricing worldwide:
Thailand Free - $2.00
India - $2.00
Switzerland AUD$4.00
Germany €1.00 - €5.00
Spain €2.50
Portugal €2.50 at restaurants
France free at restaurants
Cambodia AUD$2.50
Singapore free
UK free
US free
NZ free
Australia $45.00
https://twitter.com/LucyTurnbull_AO/status/1479424291615563777
Lucy Turncoat :lol
So it’s only free in 4 countries and lack of supply in how many countries??
I have no issue paying for it and you old blokes get it for free now don’t you so what is the issue.
Pay up drive around get em and deal with it.
The other day I drove 60mins and grabbed 2.
Lack of supply was not limited to us (vax included) just ask your mate across the Tasman but of course you won’t discuss that cause it doesn’t suit.
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Didn’t dictator label it the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”
Can anyone confirm please :lol
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A lot of what you blame Morrison for is not his fault but that of your lockdown hero....:shh
It's the hunger games across the country trying to get a rapid antigen test yet you want to try and blame it on a single state premier :lol.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison via Hunt publicly promised in September last year that by November 1 anyone who wanted a RAT would be able to get one.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison wanted RATs to be a corporate opportunity for his Liberal mates who sooked about making a buck rather than RATs being the universal public health measure they should be.
Yeah it's someone else's fault when that backfired publicly Morrison announces another ill-planned 'quick fix' which has no system to implement it and no way of recording positive RATs. Morrison then tries to dump the responsibility on already swamped GPs without any communication with them. As usual each state has to come up with their own state-based system as Morrison is useless and no leader.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that when the TWU warned Morrison back in October last year about the need for RATs in their industry to keep truckies on the road and avoid disruptions in supply chains and empty shelves in supermarkets, Morrison ignored the warning.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't reply to Pfizer's approach to Australia offering millions of doses.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't sign on to buy Pfizer when the UK & US did.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison failed to procure enough vaccine while BSing to us that we were at the front of the queue for the vaccine.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison told us the vaccine rollout "wasn't a race" when we were last in the OECD and 117th in the world by the start of last winter.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds repeatedly kept failing to meet its own vaccine targets. Promises of 4m doses in March became promises of 4m doses of April became less than a tenth of that in reality with just 5% of the population vaccinated heading into last winter six months after the vaccines were available.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds didn't build purpose built quarantine facilities when quarantine is a commonwealth responsibility.
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison tried to claim Novak entering the country was Victoria's decision when the issuing of visas are and have always been a federal govt responsibility. He then flip flops to try to look tough sprouting "rules are rules" and it's blown up in his face because it was his federal home affairs dept that issued Novak's visa in the first place before later cancelling it. Not that I have any sympathy for anti-vaxxer Djokovic. He allegedly claims that he tested positive for covid on Dec 16 yet he hosted a large function with kids the following day. So either he's lying about having had covid three weeks ago or he's a prick that doesn't care about anyone else's health including kids.
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I'm curious with this point MT as its very uneducated to me. What kind of threat would he pose to my kids regardless of status, that 50000 cases yesterday and 40k today dont do already. Many of whom will be strolling into the tennis on day 7/8. This is despite the fact only a few weeks ago your mate had it at 10 days., and 14 day’s before that.
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Didn’t dictator label it the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”
Can anyone confirm please :lol
I haven't heard the latest figures but early last week it was mentioned that all covid patients in Victorian ICUs and 52% of hospital admissions were not double dosed. So the unvaxxed are heavily over-represented given they now make up just 7% of the 12+ y.o. Victorian population.
Once the double dosed receive their booster shot (I've had mine), the 'vaxxed' cases and hospital admissions will reduce. This pandemic will always be one for the unvaxxed.
Some covidiots of course have to learn the hard way and don't get a second chance :shh.
QAnon influencer who spread conspiracy theories and misinformation about COVID-19 dies after contracting the virus
https://sports.yahoo.com/qanon-influencer-spread-conspiracy-theories-071411703.html
At least 7 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/conservative-radio-hosts-anti-maskers-death-covid-19-2021-9
Which countries are the RAT’s NOT complimentary? :shh
Wasn’t everyone’s favourite Arden the other Pm who struggled to her her hands on vaccines and also now RAT’s?
Lucy Turnbull retweeted these figures:
‘One of these is not like the other ones’ — isn’t there a #Playschool song with words like that?
Rapid Antigen Test pricing worldwide:
Thailand Free - $2.00
India - $2.00
Switzerland AUD$4.00
Germany €1.00 - €5.00
Spain €2.50
Portugal €2.50 at restaurants
France free at restaurants
Cambodia AUD$2.50
Singapore free
UK free
US free
NZ free
Australia $45.00
https://twitter.com/LucyTurnbull_AO/status/1479424291615563777
Lucy Turncoat :lol
So it’s only free in 4 countries and lack of supply in how many countries??
I have no issue paying for it and you old blokes get it for free now don’t you so what is the issue.
Pay up drive around get em and deal with it.
The other day I drove 60mins and grabbed 2.
Lack of supply was not limited to us (vax included) just ask your mate across the Tasman but of course you won’t discuss that cause it doesn’t suit.
The Kiwis have just 60 cases a day.
In any case, this is Australia and we have taxpayer-funded Aussie manufacturers selling their RATs to America while our Feds/TGA twiddle their thumbs to approve them here because the boxes the RATs come in have aboriginal art on them :facepalm.
I'm not talking for me (I'm not that old either btw ;) ). Supply chains are being affected by the lack of RATs leading to empty shelves at the shops. Essential workforces should get free RATs and test daily before going to work. If positive they stay home and not spread it to workmates. Minimise as much as possible spread and staff being furloughed as close contacts.
Opening up never meant not testing properly and letting the virus just rip.
I'm curious with this point MT as its very uneducated to me. What kind of threat would he pose to my kids regardless of status, that 50000 cases yesterday and 40k today dont do already. Many of whom will be strolling into the tennis on day 7/8. This is despite the fact only a few weeks ago your mate had it at 10 days., and 14 day’s before that.
The issue with Novak here in Oz is over his visa to enter Australia. Court has just released him from immigration detention according to 7news because the Feds didn't give him enough time to weigh up his options before detaining him. No surprise another stuff up. 7news now saying the Federal Police are now heading to rearrest Novak before he's released.
Anyway, I was talking about Novak being unmasked and unvaxxed at that junior tennis award event in Serbia the day after allegedly claiming to be covid positive. Even under Serbian law, Novak should have isolated for 14 days if he was covid positive on Dec 16.
While the majority of kids are likely to only get mild symptoms, there are more and more kids ending up in hospital since they are totally unvaxxed.
There is also the unusual covid-related multi-system inflammatory syndrome where previously healthy kids are ending up in hospital with cardiac issues. In the USA, no 12-18 y.o. kids who had this syndrome and were doubled dosed needed ventilators fortunately. However, 40% of the unvaxxed children with the condition needed a ventilator. 55 kids over there have died.
It's also been found in the USA that children who have had covid were more than twice as likely to be diagnosed with diabetes as youngsters who had not had the virus.
"Long covid" is also a potential unusual condition.
Just selfish and careless for anti-vax idiots like Novak (if he wasn't lying about being covid positive) to go around while positive needlessly spreading covid willy nilly especially around others who are unvaxxed or can't get the vaccine due to their age. Not everyone at that tennis event would've been kids either. Likely there were parents/grandparents there as well watching their kids/grandkids.
ps. The Oz open will be an all ticketed event where all crowd attendees 12 and over will be vaxxed and asked to not to show up if they've got covid. It's also an open air event (unless the roof is closed where you'll need to wear a mask) and there will be no interaction between fans and the players.
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MT I feel when it suits it’s about Australia and when it doesn’t it’s all about the world. You put up costs of rats and included countries that have far lower wages than us. Lack of rapids is a world wide thing which probably doesn’t suit your position, but it’s a fact. Cost of rapids may be more expensive here but we also get paid a lot of more than other counties, some of which you have mentioned.
Your stats on the unvaxed clogging the system now well maybe but how can that be true if 95% of the pop has been vaxed and we are getting 30,000 cases a day. 52% of hospital admissions weren’t double dosed so that means 48% were what exactly??? As for ICU beds why should anyone care when Andrews didnt built the extra beds he said he would instead of lying about it. Again probably doesn’t suit your position. Isolation is a complete waste of time as is case counting. Protect the elderly, wear a mask indoors, and for those that are scared cover yourself in plastic and stay home if you don’t want to catch covid, and let the thing rip through to give us immunity. I suspect that is exactly what that’s really doing and this will be over very soon.
Can you digest these numbers in the link for me please especially the covid monitor ones. Seems like the majority of hospital admissions are overwhelmingly double doses and icu beds tracking pretty even. What a surprise.
Bottom line is I couldn’t care less if someone who is vaxed or unvaxed is using the hospital system, just like I don’t care if someone was smoking for 40 years who is in there fighting cancer.
Regarding Novak, Scomo has completely butchered it up to the point it has the whole world laughing at our state. To save face and his career has no choice but to boot him out today. Border protection is his one wood and to date he has stuffed up. To get that hand back Joker is gone.
https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/critical-intelligence-unit
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Stats can be used to prove any point of view.
Scomo, Dom P and Dictator Dan will ultimately be judged when the masses get to vote.
Two losses and one win methinks.
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Isn’t it you who provides stats on a weekly basis on this. How about stick to the topic between mt and i or wrap yourself up in plastic mate.
As a aide note is that the same NSW that Andrews said a few days ago “ we are going to try to follow Nsw lead as much as possible? :lol
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The last political stat I posted was on Oct 25 last year.
Not quite on a weekly basis. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good sledge.
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Jeez MT i can't believe you used peoples deaths to have giggle and point score over FJ. Referring to you calling people idiots that died of covid while being unvaccinated. That is shameful
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Jeez MT i can't believe you used peoples deaths to have giggle and point score over FJ. Referring to you calling people idiots that died of covid while being unvaccinated. That is shameful
If you can get vaccinated and significantly reduce severity of illness but choose not to and end up dying then that is idiotic.
I've also met people who literally chose prayers over conventional surgery for testicular cancer. Also died. Also idiotic.
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If you can stop smoking you should. If you did in the past, or If you can’t stop and you die of cancer your an idiot.
If you could have stopped eating and didn’t, and also did no exercise you are an idiot if you died of cardiovascular disease.
If your an alcoholic knowing it could kill you, but chose to do it anyway you are an idiot.
Does that work as well?
In my view it doesn’t as it’s their choice what they do.
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No, you've just chosen 3 lifestyle items which are literally all addictive.
Is choosing not to be vaccinated an addictive behaviour? No.
Maybe something like: choosing to speed in your car repeatedly without a seatbelt on, then dying from a resulting high speed collision one day, makes you an idiot.
That works well...
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Making light or point scoring or insulting the dead makes you a....?
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No, you've just chosen 3 lifestyle items which are literally all addictive.
Is choosing not to be vaccinated an addictive behaviour? No.
Maybe something like: choosing to speed in your car repeatedly without a seatbelt on, then dying from a resulting high speed collision one day, makes you an idiot.
That works well...
Wrong. Know plenty of people who smoked for fun who paid the price.
It’s not an addiction for some. It’s not an addiction if your obese yet can’t walk down the street. The result is cardiovascular disease. That is a choice.
You have no idea what people’s choices for doing what they do. For them it is a lifestyle choice. Maybe their son had a reaction or that myarchidis or whatever that word is, or perhaps they are fit healthy and don’t think they need it. Who gives a stuff?
Few isolated examples doesn’t mean you or I have all the answers so play on.
Making light or point scoring or insulting the dead makes you a....?
An idiot?
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You're reaching FJ.
I worked in bariatrics for 7+ years and was a specialist there. Eating is addictive and obesity for a lot of people is closely tied to mental illness.
Far from a simple 'choice'. As is smoking - the nicotine is literally added to tobacco to make it addictive. Your position is about as simple, unempathetic and heartless as telling any version addict to make better decisions and just quit like that *snap*.
It's a poor comparison to vaccination, however I have never said that unvaccinated people aren't motivated by strong emotions (fear of blood clots due to astra zeneca for example, despite the risk being 1:1,870,000) or beliefs.
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Bring back the actual doctor. He didn't pretend to be an expert on every topic in regards to health.
Does being vaccinated, getting covid but being a fat sack of poo and dying make you an idiot?
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Bring back the actual doctor. He didn't pretend to be an expert on every topic in regards to health.
Does being vaccinated, getting covid but being a fat sack of poo and dying make you an idiot?
No need to be sarcastic. The person you refer to is an anesthesiologist.
I've not said I'm an expert on anything, ever, only that I've worked in a specialist role. Subsequently I have extensive experience in general abdominal, bariatric, upper GI, colorectal, urological and thoracic surgery.
I now work in general medicine, geriatrics and am in an outbreak management taskforce for nursing homes.
Quote that if you think I'm pretending in future.
As for your last lame question - no. Being vaccinated is a good idea, especially if you are overweight as we are seeing significant illness in obese people with COVID.
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Sorry for the delay Frankie. Been a busy week and I didn't just want to give you a flippant two-line reply.
MT I feel when it suits it’s about Australia and when it doesn’t it’s all about the world. You put up costs of rats and included countries that have far lower wages than us. Lack of rapids is a world wide thing which probably doesn’t suit your position, but it’s a fact. Cost of rapids may be more expensive here but we also get paid a lot of more than other counties, some of which you have mentioned.
The UK had a bit of a shortage last week but released a "flood" (UK doctor's words) of RATs this week. They haven't had the long-term RAT shortages and empty shelves of basic items like us either. In the USA, you can order 4 free RATs from https://www.covidtests.gov/ that take a week or two to arrive. In Holland, they have vending machines that sell RATs.
Just on the wages comment, our cost of living is higher here too though. Essential workers are also more likely to be casuals not on a high wage. Add to that our population is much smaller than most of those other countries. We also have our own manufacturers who produce RATs but these RATs are sold overseas rather to us Aussies because they weren't and still haven't been given approval here. We have to wait until the State governments do Morrison's job for him and their orders arrive from overseas.
Morrison and the Feds publicly around August last year spoke about the need for RATs as part of eventually opening up and "living with covid". But as usual it was just another announcement that didn't turn into reality and has lead to another crisis. Morrison in his media conference the other day tried to blame the lack of ordering of RATs last year on the priority to chase after Pfizer during the delta wave. However, that was his own fault too because he didn't order and rollout the vaccine in the first half of last year. Morrison just compounds his mistakes through his own incompetence. IMV, the reason why he always stuffs up all the time was in that recent Age interview when he stated he governs "for today". There's no forward planning because he just doesn't believe in it and subsequently he fails as a result.
Your stats on the unvaxed clogging the system now well maybe but how can that be true if 95% of the pop has been vaxed and we are getting 30,000 cases a day. 52% of hospital admissions weren’t double dosed so that means 48% were what exactly??? As for ICU beds why should anyone care when Andrews didnt built the extra beds he said he would instead of lying about it. Again probably doesn’t suit your position. Isolation is a complete waste of time as is case counting. Protect the elderly, wear a mask indoors, and for those that are scared cover yourself in plastic and stay home if you don’t want to catch covid, and let the thing rip through to give us immunity. I suspect that is exactly what that’s really doing and this will be over very soon.
Can you digest these numbers in the link for me please especially the covid monitor ones. Seems like the majority of hospital admissions are overwhelmingly double doses and icu beds tracking pretty even. What a surprise.
https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/critical-intelligence-unit
The best way to answer this is via this diagram:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJg400DaMAMM4gv?format=jpg&name=small)
The unvaxxed as a proportion of their now small population are signficantly over-represented in ICUs. So in NSW we've got just 5% of the population who are unvaxxed contributing to at least half the ICU admissions. That's a factor of 10x! Dr Chant mentioned today that 28 of the 46 deaths were under 65. Of those half were unvaxxed and of the 4 that didn't have any underlying health problems 3 were unvaxxed. While the covid vaccine isn't a cure (its efficacy isn't 100%), the evidence is overwhelming that they work.
Not sure why mention '4000 ICU beds' when we currently have 121 covid patients in ICU. This issue right now isn't capacity but lack of available hospital staff due to covid furloughing hence the health system's self-imposed "code brown". It would be a waste of resources and hospital staff having so many ICU beds standing idle when they aren't needed and hospital staff are at a premium at the moment with 4000 off work either with covid or as a close contact.
Letting it rip without any control measures would bring about even more chaos and shortages. We'd have even more people sick at once and furloughed. The choice over opening up wasn't binary between going back into lockdowns or just letting it rip. Managing this reopening up properly was what was required. That hasn't happened given the lack of RATs.
As for deliberately giving yourself covid, that equals needlessly risking your health especially if you're unvaxxed.
Hana Horka: Czech singer dies after catching Covid intentionally
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60050996
Getting vaccinated plus the booster is the optimal and safest strategy against covid.
There's no evidence either to support that people gain long-term immunity from catching the coronavirus. Lucky if it gives you 3 months worth of anti-bodies. If someone caught the alpha or delta variant then it doesn't protect them against omicron. Who knows if there will be another mutation and variant going forward either. However, there are studies reflecting the effectiveness of the booster shot:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJG8J8maQAAQa86?format=jpg&name=large)
Bottom line is I couldn’t care less if someone who is vaxed or unvaxed is using the hospital system, just like I don’t care if someone was smoking for 40 years who is in there fighting cancer.
I agree with you as far as treating everyone without bias who presents to hospital. However, that doesn't mean we don't take strong action to try and lower disease and presentations to our hospitals. Using the smoking example, smokers who want to light up are excluded from most public spaces these days as they pose a health threat not only to themselves but to others via secondhand smoke. If you want to work, eat, go to the footy, etc ... then you can't smoke.
Regarding Novak, Scomo has completely butchered it up to the point it has the whole world laughing at our state. To save face and his career has no choice but to boot him out today. Border protection is his one wood and to date he has stuffed up. To get that hand back Joker is gone.
Yep, the correct decision was made in the end. Still odd though they they went down the 'Novak would encourage anti-vaxxers' route to deport him when they could have got him simply got him on not filling out his documentation correctly and honestly. I bet the average punter who arrives at our airports and is caught with false info on their documents would be straight on the next plane home. It also shows Morrison and the Feds are hypocrites who have different rules for their own MPs like Christensen and co. who are blatant vocal anti-vaxxers.
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Jeez MT i can't believe you used peoples deaths to have giggle and point score over FJ. Referring to you calling people idiots that died of covid while being unvaccinated. That is shameful
I have more than sympathy for the genuine poor and/or formally uneducated who die from preventable diseases due to a lack of vaccine(s). That is a tragedy. We are fortunate to live in a first world country where vaccines are readily available which have eliminated or at least dramatically reduced formerly destructive and fatal diseases in our society.
However, I have no sympathy whatsoever for politically and religiously motivated anti-vaxxers who deliberately and repeatedly peddle anti-science lies, bogus conspiracy theories and other debunked crap such as "vaccines cause autism" :thumbsdown. There was an incident in Samoa in 2019 where anti-vaxxers spread lies about the measles vaccine amongst the population. Vaccination levels dropped and there was a significant measles outbreak. 65 died as a result, most of whom were kids under the age of 5 :(. Sorry but if the karma bus comes along and gets these moronic evil bastard pollies, shockjocks and attention seeking C-grade celebs for their own lies and stupidity then good riddance! The latest nominees for the Darwin awards :shh.
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The best way to answer this is via this diagram:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJg400DaMAMM4gv?format=jpg&name=small)
The unvaxxed as a proportion of their now small population are signficantly over-represented in ICUs. So in NSW we've got just 5% of the population who are unvaxxed contributing to at least half the ICU admissions. That's a factor of 10x! Dr Chant mentioned today that 28 of the 46 deaths were under 65. Of those half were unvaxxed and of the 4 that didn't have any underlying health problems 3 were unvaxxed. While the covid vaccine isn't a cure (its efficacy isn't 100%), the evidence is overwhelming that they work.
Just to add to this, here's more data from NSW.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJqupEqaUAEbF4m?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/2022/jan/21/australia-has-had-its-deadliest-day-yet-covid-omicron-heres-what-we-know-about-who-is-dying
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Does Mark McGowan = WAT
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/newspoll-approval-for-scott-morrison-and-coalition-drops-as-election-looms/news-story/4ead554a31e394911b58f5ad400ab6b6
The poll produced a two-party-preferred lead for Labor of 56-44 after a two point drop in support for minor parties.
The numbers suggest Labor would win with a majority if a general election was held now, with the potential loss of up to 25 seats for the Coalition.
Treasurer Josh Frydenberg was dismissive of the result on Monday morning, claiming the only poll “that counts in politics” is on election day.
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Alby you dirty rotten scoundrel
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/albanese-claimed-travel-allowance-to-stay-in-own-apartment/ar-AATi0jB?ocid=entnewsntp
A report by News.com.au’s Samantha Maiden found that Albanese charged taxpayers $17k in travel allowance to stay in his own Canberra flat last year.
“Maiden reports that Albanese has no mortgage on his Canberra apartment and he stayed there for 59 nights during Sydney's marathon lockdown,” Ms Markson said.
“By basing himself in Canberra, not only did Albanese skip the brutal lockdown but he made money from it as well.
“And it had a political benefit, too - he was then able to campaign in Queensland and Tasmania while the Prime Minister was mostly locked down in Sydney and unable to travel.
“In total, Albanese claimed a travel allowance for 74 nights even though Parliament was only sitting for 19 days during that period.
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A sky news article? Is that the best you can do?
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That is worthy of losing the leadership.
Absolutely disgraceful
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Remember Assange 65 is not biased.
Anyway it was also in news.com.au
A website old mate 65 quotes regularity :lol
As the saying goes “as subtle as a shovel….”
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
Yep he should go but won't go like those before him who've done the same thing
The overall state of politics in this country at ALL levels is woeful.
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
Yep he should go but won't go like those before him who've done the same thing
The overall state of politics in this country at ALL levels is woeful.
The election season is well and truly underway. The regulations regarding these sorts of claims is set by an independent bi-partisan committee. Albo has not done anything illegal or fraudulent and neither has Lib Tim Wilson or the myriad of other pollies taking advantage of a questionable regulation. The Libs are getting desperate and are doing anything to deflect from their stuff-ups. The latest of which is the appalling state of aged care centres.
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
The problem is it isn't fraud. They are all 'allowed' to do it and they all do (major & minor parties and independents). It's been going on for years :thumbsdown.
When anyone becomes an elected pollie you get handed a thick ::) book of all these claimable allowances. They virtually pay for nothing out of their base salary. Stationery, etc it's all claimable. They don't even pay to buy a newspaper :facepalm.
"Federal politicians receive $273 [ed. it's now $291] a night to stay in Canberra, a travel allowance they can claim even when they stay in a property that they or their partner own.
Reports have revealed that on top of the allowance, MPs who rent or buy a property to stay in during work-related travel can also claim tax deductions for rent, interest on borrowings used for the acquisition of the property, rates, taxes, insurance and general maintenance."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/22/politicians-double-dipping-property-allowance-deduction-rules-mathias-cormann
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/taxpayers-footing-bill-on-treasurer-joe-hockeys-15-million-canberra-house/news-story/9f7aa113072b167e022ba34abde4da7d
When questioned the pollies all deflect to the same default response - "travel allowance is set independently by the remuneration tribunal and tax rules were set independently by the tax office, and applied equally to all members of parliament. I comply with all of the rules."
It's like a Yes Minister episode. The pollies all do it so it doesn't cost any side votes and this "independent" renumerations tribunal isn't going to upset their political masters and the system that appoints them.
Here are the members of the renumeration tribunal. All corporate types.
https://www.remtribunal.gov.au/about-us
Also here is the link to parliamentarians' expenditure:
https://www.ipea.gov.au/pwe
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Well I think it's disgusting.
But heck if they all do it then why bother will the article?
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Well I think it's disgusting.
But heck if they all do it then why bother will the article?
Deflection, pure and simple.
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Libs in disarray.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/31/liberal-preselection-turmoil-grows-as-nsw-executive-refuses-to-pass-morrison-plan-to-bypass-members
An attempt to endorse three prominent sitting Morrison government MPs without the need for plebiscites has been rejected by warring factions of the NSW Liberal party, dramatically increasing the prospect of federal intervention.
The result suggests there is now such a level of distrust between the factions that a deal will be hard to reach, despite the prime minister, Scott Morrison, taking a direct interest.
“Some people voted on a point of principle and do not want to bypass democracy, some want to poke the PM in the eye,” said one observer.
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More turmoil for the Libs this time in the NT.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-28/nt-clp-senator-sam-mcmahon-resigns/100789798
Northern Territory senator Sam McMahon has resigned from the Country Liberal Party, a spokesman has confirmed, ending a 30-year connection.
The CLP traditionally sit in the Nationals party room in Canberra, meaning the Morrison Coalition government will lose a sitting senator to the crossbench.
Senator McMahon will continue to stay in the Senate as an independent, it is understood.
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
Yep he should go but won't go like those before him who've done the same thing
The overall state of politics in this country at ALL levels is woeful.
The election season is well and truly underway. The regulations regarding these sorts of claims is set by an independent bi-partisan committee. Albo has not done anything illegal or fraudulent and neither has Lib Tim Wilson or the myriad of other pollies taking advantage of a questionable regulation. The Libs are getting desperate and are doing anything to deflect from their stuff-ups. The latest of which is the appalling state of aged care centres.
Aged care centres? Is that the info you were sounding out the other day. Sounds like your were being bitter as usual and baiting for a topic you think you already had the answers for.
Clown.
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
Yep he should go but won't go like those before him who've done the same thing
The overall state of politics in this country at ALL levels is woeful.
Spot on WP. Some do it slightly better than others, or appear to, but overall total garbage.
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
Yep he should go but won't go like those before him who've done the same thing
The overall state of politics in this country at ALL levels is woeful.
The election season is well and truly underway. The regulations regarding these sorts of claims is set by an independent bi-partisan committee. Albo has not done anything illegal or fraudulent and neither has Lib Tim Wilson or the myriad of other pollies taking advantage of a questionable regulation. The Libs are getting desperate and are doing anything to deflect from their stuff-ups. The latest of which is the appalling state of aged care centres.
Aged care centres? Is that the info you were sounding out the other day. Sounds like your were being bitter as usual and baiting for a topic you think you already had the answers for.
Clown.
😁
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More trouble for the Libs. This time in NSW.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-02/morrison-calls-on-liberals-to-sort-preselections/100797874
A federal intervention in New South Wales' Liberal preselections is looming, amid a deepening split between the party's conservative and moderate wings just months out from an election.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has lashed out at the "childish games" and "factional rubbish" in NSW, which saw a ballot to endorse ministers Alex Hawke and Sussan Ley, and backbencher Trent Zimmerman, fail.
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
The problem is it isn't fraud. They are all 'allowed' to do it and they all do (major & minor parties and independents). It's been going on for years :thumbsdown.
Does Sco Mo do it
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That's fraud Alby.
Should be goodbye from me.
What a sorry state our parties are in. Turd sandwiches and douchebags to pick from.
The problem is it isn't fraud. They are all 'allowed' to do it and they all do (major & minor parties and independents). It's been going on for years :thumbsdown.
Does Sco Mo do it
The PM gets given two houses to reside in: the Lodge in Canberra and Kirribilli House in Sydney. But when outside of Canberra and Sydney he claims the overnight travel allowance like everybody else and he has used the same excuse as everybody else too.
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Poor old Libs are falling apart. Will be interesting to watch parliament next week.
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Poor old Libs are falling apart. Will be interesting to watch parliament next week.
Dutton is denying it but if what Bob Carr tweeted last night is true then that will add even more fuel to the bonfire.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK6RiDhaUAE_Mvd?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/bobjcarr/status/1490265532204945408
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If Dutton is denying it, then you'd expect Dutton to sue Carr for defamation
:shh :huh3
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I see one of dams followers have finally turned him in.
As a result of breaking party rules she won’t have a job pretty soon. What a very honourable group that if you don’t follow the party line you are sacked.
MT any comments to share ?
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You need to get your facts right.
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Facts like the aged care you are still waiting on?
Sorry pal not interested in your useless opinion quoting msn or the abc.
Just waiting on MT to provide an opinion without towing the party line like that “they all do it” Which they do)
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I see one of dams followers have finally turned him in.
As a result of breaking party rules she won’t have a job pretty soon. What a very honourable group that if you don’t follow the party line you are sacked.
MT any comments to share ?
Just to clarify Frankie..
She has not gained pre-selection for this year's state election. That decision was made prior to her crossing the floor yesterday. A cynic might suggest her crossing the floor was payback for not getting pre-selection.
She has not been sacked (expelled) from the ALP; yet. She will be however as per ALP party rules. Is the rule right? No but that's what she agreed to when joined and even moreso when she got elected 3.5 years ago.
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I see one of dams followers have finally turned him in.
As a result of breaking party rules she won’t have a job pretty soon. What a very honourable group that if you don’t follow the party line you are sacked.
MT any comments to share ?
Just to clarify Frankie..
She has not gained pre-selection for this year's state election. That decision was made prior to her crossing the floor yesterday. A cynic might suggest her crossing the floor was payback for not getting pre-selection.
She has not been sacked (expelled) from the ALP; yet. She will be however as per ALP party rules. Is the rule right? No but that's what she agreed to when joined and even moreso when she got elected 3.5 years ago.
Not that i didn't know that, or importantly why i would i care one bit if she didnt gain pre-selection? furthermore, why would anyone care with a conscience?
It should diminish the need to investigate any criminal behaviour.
You have described this party in a nutshell. Their own party rules forbid anyone crossing or they are gonski. May or may not happen here after todays articles, :shh, but the truth is people within would be so scared to dare speak up hence why all the legislation and power goes to one person. Why would they cross, question legislation, and lose their jobs????
Imagine is scomo referred to a woman as "that person" Perhaps he should so we see the meldowns on here. Would be quite funny to see actually, however i dont expect much commentary about it now. :shh
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/kaushaliya-vaghela-speaks-out-on-the-different-reality-behind-the-carefully-crafted-image-of-labor-and-the-premier/news-story/0a3a80a612c1b84dc8dc0ad35d7073ce
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Is there anybody out there that doesn't think the libs and nats need some time in opposition?
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You will find out at election time
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ScoMo on the run?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/fire-and-rain-scott-morrison-seems-paralysed-by-disaster-20220310-p5a3io.html
Fire and rain: Scott Morrison seems paralysed by disaster
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And from the right wing NEWS corp.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/again-in-a-crisis-scott-morrison-seeks-to-avoid-responsibility/news-story/6f1ba1e693063a46f386fdfa1139e438
Bushfires, Covid and now floods – Scott Morrison’s time as Prime Minister has been defined by crises. And so here we are again, wondering how much blame Mr Morrison should bear for the mismanagement of a disaster.
Residents in flood-affected areas of northern New South Wales are justifiably angry at the lack of support they received when the waters rose.
Many had to wait on their roofs for days before being rescued, or rely on their fellow private citizens for help. Essential supplies were sparse.
None of that is any one person’s fault, and there is blame to share between the state and federal governments. Mr Morrison has not been idle: he (eventually) declared the floods a national emergency, and announced financial support for those affected.
So I’m not for a moment suggesting the Prime Minister is solely responsible. But I do want to highlight his characteristic attempts to avoid taking any real responsibility.
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Latest NewsPoll has Labor on 55% to Coalition 45%.
Some Libs are thinking a change of Leader might help save some seats.
Interesting times.
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INDEEDY
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Almost a 5.6% swing to Labor in SA :o. Still up in the air if it will be a majority government despite 54% of the 2PP vote given the weird way SA do electoral boundaries.
Sure there were key state issues over there but surely Morrison is poison to the Liberal brand.
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Hopefully it’s a sign of things to come to turf out those premiers who have performed terribly. He was one of them.
SA is an alp state for 20 of the last 24 years.
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Hopefully it’s a sign of things to come to turf out those premiers who have performed terribly. He was one of them.
SA is an alp state for 20 of the last 24 years.
Think it will also have to do with opposition as well and how they present themsleves
In SA the opposition deliberately took the completely opposite path to the one the Vic opposition is using and it's got them elected. They also didn't need to win that many seats.
Which is the same issue the Fed govt faces, the opposition doesn't need to win that many seats to win
Massive difference in Victoria in that the current govt has such a huge majority. Even without COVID the likelihood of them being thrown out was always going to be near on impossible. You'd expect the majority to be reduced but it is very doubtful the swing will be big enough to displace them
NSW is the one to watch. Pretty sure they go to the polls in the next 12 months will be interesting to see what happens there. Gladys was very popular, Dom isn't....and some areas have turned on him in a big way over COVID
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Agree Andrews is only saved due to what happened 4 years ago. If it was a neutral result last time he would be in real trouble. That’s what people don’t understand that it virtually has nothing to do with now.
that said I think here we will see independents gain seats and the dictators influence is limited which is a good thing.
Sa is a labor state and my family tell me he has performed terribly over covid and they want sa to grow which won’t be happening, so I can’t wait to see what victorians think here.
All all in all it’s a positive sign.
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I see an ALP politician was buried today, and now her husband had some words to say about his late wife, backing up what others have said about this great party.
Imagine that was a liberal politician then I would imagine a few on here would be very vocal about it all. Now all we hear are crickets.
I guess a female life is only important if it’s one party doing the damage.
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Well said :shh
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Straws. Clutching.
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I guess a female life is only important if it’s one party doing the damage.
Wrong.
Just wrong on so many levels.
I only heard crickets when Brittany Higgins, came forward with the allegations against a Liberal staffer. Not many criticised Payne or Cash and how the handled it or more to point didn't handle it
Crickets by many over Christian Porter issue(s)
Didn't hear much when the staffer (Rachelle Miller) accused Tudge of bullying (and don't hide behind the report he was cleared due to insufficient evidence).
Deadly silence around Grace Tame during 2021 when she challenged the culture in Canberra after Higgins came forward
And then just last week a post about the Tom Morris degrading comments referring to "the girl" being "the lucky loser ". Nothing lucky about it. I didn't call it out then perhaps I should have?
All bullying and all totally unacceptable whatever side of politics you are aligned to
I mean you didn't even bother to use Senator Kitching's name. You just said an "ALP politician", simply making it political point scoring exercise.
Any form of bullying is wrong, just so wrong. The ALP should be ashamed of how the Senator was treated. The Libs/Nats should be ashamed of their bullying of Miller, Higgins. No doubt there's been more we just don't know about it
Australian politics is at its lowest point, it is embarrassing, shameful and pathetic. And to be clear I am talking about ALL parties. They are all as bad as each other, totally insipid and pathetic
Clear?
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Hahaha So I have to use names do I? That’s the most absurd thing I have heard from you WP. It doesn’t diminish my message and the point stands. Those other examples have nothing to do with this but nice deflection to my point. That Brittany example isn’t that still going through the courts and if they didn’t apologise to her they should walk away from politics.
I’m sure Penny was using names when she told this poor woman she didn’t understand climate change as she didn’t have children. Pretty sure those were her words and now she died.
ALP has form even at a state level look what Andrews did to the other lady recently. In fact if I recall one of his crownies said she has mental issues when she first raised her bullying claims.
Your last paragraph is your most important and I agree with you 100%. I have learnt over the last year I have no interest in either of these parties federally as they are all scum bags of the highest order.
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Just on your note on not addressing actual names isn’t it old mate Andrews who refers to people as “that person” most recently as this last issue on claims of bullying
Guess you missed that one WP
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Anybody like to offer an opinion on the budget?
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Anybody like to offer an opinion on the budget?
Pretty forgettable. No vision or direction; short-term bribes all about the election that end or will be eaten up by inflation afterwards and only are time bombs for the future; Victoria gets screwed again on infrastructure spending - Same old same old!
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If the Victorian government can afford 1.2 billion not to build a road, they hardly need a handout.
Didn’t waste my time reading any of it.
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Anybody like to offer an opinion on the budget?
A typical pre-election, lets see if we can claw back some votes with it budget
Not $1 allocated for an ICAC, despite promising one
Whatever
:sleep
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Anybody like to offer an opinion on the budget?
As a guy who traditionally votes left, but has been leaning more right in recent years, I can't say I was incensed by a few allowances of a couple of hundred bucks.
Bit of a meh budget and I feel like Frydenberg was drinking his own bathwater a bit. Plus from what I see every week at work I am not at all happy about any savings from cuts to NDIS etc. It has really crippled parts of the hospital system (my part!) and damaged people's lives in a way that makes me beyond angry.
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For the good of the once great Liberal party, Scott Morrison has to go
Moreover the coalition needs some time on the opposition benches.
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For the good of the once great Liberal party, Scott Morrison has to go
Moreover the coalition needs some time on the opposition benches.
No one in the LNP is now going to overthrow Morrison to own this circus and become the face of electoral defeat. If they had wanted to dump Morrison, they should have done it over six months ago to give the new leader time and some fresh air before the election to try to claw back public support. It's too late now. It's better for the LNP post-election to let Morrison meet karma and then blame and hold him responsible for the expected loss (especially if it's a heavy defeat). It's what the Libs did after McMahon and Fraser lost government. Howard has since 1983 blamed Fraser for losing government to Hawke even though Howard was treasurer at the time when the economy was shot.
ps. The now numerous public attacks on Morrison by his own kind is the beginning of the process. Everyone knew 15 years ago what the lying phony scumbag did to Michael Towke. Just like Gladys' txt messages, the story has only resurfaced now to finish off Morrison for good.
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Federal Election called for Saturday May 21st
6 weeks of pointless ads
wonder how many debates there will be?
Not that I really care TBH
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What a dumbass
https://www.9news.com.au/national/federal-election-2022-anthony-albanese-cant-answer-rba-cash-rate-unemployment-rate/98d58f3a-bfc4-458f-8a6a-0d8dc7932f0f
Opposition leader Anthony Albanese has had his first stumble of the official 2022 election campaign, unable to name either the unemployment rate or the RBA cash rate.
He was asked if he knew both at a press conference today.
Mr Albanese didn't know the cash rate, and guessed unemployment was at 5.4 per cent, before apologising and admitting: "I'm not sure what it is".
All the labor party have to do to get rid of Scomo is put someone half decent on the podium and they cant even do that
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Yep not a good start to a campaign Anthony. Carry on about wages, cost of living etc but you need to know your homework.
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He is our version of Joe Biden. Dumb as dog poo this bloke.
He claims he is human, but can’t afford the same luxury to others who make equally idiotic statements as scomo has done.
Politics alive and well in this country.
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What a dumbass
https://www.9news.com.au/national/federal-election-2022-anthony-albanese-cant-answer-rba-cash-rate-unemployment-rate/98d58f3a-bfc4-458f-8a6a-0d8dc7932f0f
Opposition leader Anthony Albanese has had his first stumble of the official 2022 election campaign, unable to name either the unemployment rate or the RBA cash rate.
He was asked if he knew both at a press conference today.
Mr Albanese didn't know the cash rate, and guessed unemployment was at 5.4 per cent, before apologising and admitting: "I'm not sure what it is".
All the labor party have to do to get rid of Scomo is put someone half decent on the podium and they cant even do that
Can’t believe the “Murdoch” press of afr, channel 9, sbs fox and every other channel jumped at this mistake.
Shame on them.
Bloody Murdoch :lol
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He is our version of Joe Biden. Dumb as dog poo this bloke.
:huh3
Hmmm if that's case then Albo wins in a landslide :rollin
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The labor party may as well nominate another deputy leader now, no way we can have a PM who doesnt know basic economic data
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He is our version of Joe Biden. Dumb as dog poo this bloke.
:huh3
Hmmm if that's case then Albo wins in a landslide :rollin
No one is saying he won’t win WP. Wake up.
I said he is as dumb as dog poo like Biden.
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The labor party may as well nominate another deputy leader now, no way we can have a PM who doesnt know basic economic data
Very early in the campaign. Doubt it will matter
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The labor party may as well nominate another deputy leader now, no way we can have a PM who doesnt know basic economic data
Very early in the campaign. Doubt it will matter
Probably not, but regardless if he wins or not it will be the most remembered thing about this dope
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He is our version of Joe Biden. Dumb as dog poo this bloke.
:huh3
Hmmm if that's case then Albo wins in a landslide :rollin
No one is saying he won’t win WP. Wake up.
I said he is as dumb as dog poo like Biden.
Chill Frankie ::)
:rollin this meant it was a joke. A bit of fun. It's going to be a long a campaign we need to be able to laugh :cheers
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Albanese has covid and will need to isolate for 7 days.
https://twitter.com/latingle/status/1517059185770647553
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/anti-corruption-watchdog-calls-out-victorian-labor-s-rotten-culture-20220427-p5agdx.html
I blame Bernie Finn for this. :lol :lol
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/anti-corruption-watchdog-calls-out-victorian-labor-s-rotten-culture-20220427-p5agdx.html
I blame Bernie Finn for this. :lol :lol
Surely it's Dictator Dan's fault.
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The RBA has increased interest rates by 25 basis points to 0.35%. The first of many.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/interest-rates/homeowners-brace-for-pain-as-crucial-rba-interest-rate-decision-looms/news-story/3ae7eab1ec7d3dfc45518ea72cb0694e
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ScoMo trying to say this is a good thing as it is an indication of how well the economy is going.
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1965 trying to say it's a bad comment as it is an indication of how poorly Scomo is going.
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1965 trying to say it's a bad comment as it is an indication of how poorly Scomo is going.
Try again.
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1965 trying to say it's a bad comment as it is an indication of how poorly Scomo is going.
Try again.
FFS even 65 can see it :banghead
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1965 trying to say it's a bad comment as it is an indication of how poorly Scomo is going.
Try again.
FFS even 65 can see it
I really don't know why I even try? At least you are having fun.
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Sadly and unbelievably he still has a chance although unlikely. If neither major party achieves a majority then the crossbenchers will become king makers. Of course Morrison will just do what he always does and lie and con with phony promises he'll never deliver to try to stay in power. He's already started this process with his "I'll promise to change if you vote me back in" crap this week.
Anyway, the Libs are hoping for:
- Not a uniform swing. Doesn't matter if safe seats swing quite a bit as they don't change hands. Limiting swings in marginals is the key. It's how Howard won in 1998. Lost the 2PP overall but still retained government.
- Qld hardly swings or only a few % and there's no net change.
- Vic/NSW swaps seats for no net change. Labor has some very thin marginal seats due to the last election and the Libs will be hoping a high profile candidate like Andrew Constance contesting in Gilmore (NSW) will flip a seat or two to counter any lost seats elsewhere. The Libs will also be hoping they get over the line against the "Teals" and hold onto the wealthy inner city electorates in Melbourne and Sydney.
- Tas to hardly swing by promoting the local state government's covid response and not the Feds.
- Hope WA & SA have already got their anger out the way at the state elections and there's no net change. Unless there's a huge swing to Labor hardly any seats will change anyway. Only Boothby (SA) and Swan (WA) are under 4%.
- Gain a territory seat to overset a loss elsewhere in the country.
Conversely, Labor are hoping the polls are right this time. The pollsters have changed their methods since 2019 and since then they got both the WA & SA election results correct. Labor needs a net gain of 7 seats to win a majority government (76 seats). A 3.5 to 4% uniform 2PP swing does that. Newspoll sits at ALP 54 LNP 46 (a 5% swing from 2019). Yougov poll the other day had Labor winning 80 seats (+11) to the LNP's 63 (-13) with 7 independents (+2) and 1 Green (Bandt).
We'll find out who is right Saturday night. Perhaps even Sunday morning if the final outcome depends on WA seats.
ps. By the way, thanks to the idiot who decided to hold the election on that same night as the Dreamtime game ::).
pps. Despite whoever wins, the country is in for a couple of very difficult years now the inflationary genie is out of the bottle with stagnant wages, a trillion dollars in debt, record budget deficits and interest rates according to the Futures market expected to rise to 3% by December this year. Thanks Morrison! "Strong" economy my arsenal :facepalm.
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Sadly and unbelievably he still has a chance although unlikely. If neither major party achieves a majority then the crossbenchers will become king makers. Of course Morrison will just do what he always does and lie and con with phony promises he'll never deliver to try to stay in power. He's already started this process with his "I'll promise to change if you vote me back in" crap this week.
Anyway, the Libs are hoping for:
- Not a uniform swing. Doesn't matter if safe seats swing quite a bit as they don't change hands. Limiting swings in marginals is the key. It's how Howard won in 1998. Lost the 2PP overall but still retained government.
- Qld hardly swings or only a few % and there's no net change.
- Vic/NSW swaps seats for no net change. Labor has some very thin marginal seats due to the last election and the Libs will be hoping a high profile candidate like Andrew Constance contesting in Gilmore (NSW) will flip a seat or two to counter any lost seats elsewhere. The Libs will also be hoping they get over the line against the "Teals" and hold onto the wealthy inner city electorates in Melbourne and Sydney.
- Tas to hardly swing by promoting the local state government's covid response and not the Feds.
- Hope WA & SA have already got their anger out the way at the state elections and there's no net change. Unless there's a huge swing to Labor hardly any seats will change anyway. Only Boothby (SA) and Swan (WA) are under 4%.
- Gain a territory seat to overset a loss elsewhere in the country.
Conversely, Labor are hoping the polls are right this time. The pollsters have changed their methods since 2019 and since then they got both the WA & SA election results correct. Labor needs a net gain of 7 seats to win a majority government (76 seats). A 3.5 to 4% uniform 2PP swing does that. Newspoll sits at ALP 54 LNP 46 (a 5% swing from 2019). Yougov poll the other day had Labor winning 80 seats (+11) to the LNP's 63 (-13) with 7 independents (+2) and 1 Green (Bandt).
We'll find out who is right Saturday night. Perhaps even Sunday morning if the final outcome depends on WA seats.
ps. By the way, thanks to the idiot who decided to hold the election on that same night as the Dreamtime game ::).
pps. Despite whoever wins, the country is in for a couple of very difficult years now the inflationary genie is out of the bottle with stagnant wages, a trillion dollars in debt, record budget deficits and interest rates according to the Futures market expected to rise to 3% by December this year. Thanks Morrison! "Strong" economy my arsenal :facepalm.
great lets talk economy, MT keen to hear your thoughts now on the Victorian economy and how that is tracking, or doesn't that count? :lol :lol
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Sadly and unbelievably he still has a chance although unlikely. If neither major party achieves a majority then the crossbenchers will become king makers. Of course Morrison will just do what he always does and lie and con with phony promises he'll never deliver to try to stay in power. He's already started this process with his "I'll promise to change if you vote me back in" crap this week.
Anyway, the Libs are hoping for:
- Not a uniform swing. Doesn't matter if safe seats swing quite a bit as they don't change hands. Limiting swings in marginals is the key. It's how Howard won in 1998. Lost the 2PP overall but still retained government.
- Qld hardly swings or only a few % and there's no net change.
- Vic/NSW swaps seats for no net change. Labor has some very thin marginal seats due to the last election and the Libs will be hoping a high profile candidate like Andrew Constance contesting in Gilmore (NSW) will flip a seat or two to counter any lost seats elsewhere. The Libs will also be hoping they get over the line against the "Teals" and hold onto the wealthy inner city electorates in Melbourne and Sydney.
- Tas to hardly swing by promoting the local state government's covid response and not the Feds.
- Hope WA & SA have already got their anger out the way at the state elections and there's no net change. Unless there's a huge swing to Labor hardly any seats will change anyway. Only Boothby (SA) and Swan (WA) are under 4%.
- Gain a territory seat to overset a loss elsewhere in the country.
Conversely, Labor are hoping the polls are right this time. The pollsters have changed their methods since 2019 and since then they got both the WA & SA election results correct. Labor needs a net gain of 7 seats to win a majority government (76 seats). A 3.5 to 4% uniform 2PP swing does that. Newspoll sits at ALP 54 LNP 46 (a 5% swing from 2019). Yougov poll the other day had Labor winning 80 seats (+11) to the LNP's 63 (-13) with 7 independents (+2) and 1 Green (Bandt).
We'll find out who is right Saturday night. Perhaps even Sunday morning if the final outcome depends on WA seats.
ps. By the way, thanks to the idiot who decided to hold the election on that same night as the Dreamtime game ::).
pps. Despite whoever wins, the country is in for a couple of very difficult years now the inflationary genie is out of the bottle with stagnant wages, a trillion dollars in debt, record budget deficits and interest rates according to the Futures market expected to rise to 3% by December this year. Thanks Morrison! "Strong" economy my arsenal :facepalm.
great lets talk economy, MT keen to hear your thoughts now on the Victorian economy and how that is tracking, or doesn't that count? :lol :lol
Ah Deflecting ;). I don't blame you. Even Morrison doesn't want Morrison anymore :snidegrin.
Now we're entering the post-covid period the state's budget will return to surplus in the next couple of years. Slomo and Fraudenberg can't even promise that in a decade's time. They want 20+ years in power and not deliver one surplus :wallywink.
I see and use all the new infrastructure assets thanks to the Vic government. Something that was ignored and put in the too hard basket by previous state governments for decades stretching back to the 50s/60s. Money actually spent to benefit us plebs rather than wasting tens of billions in taxpayers money handing over free cash to the LNP's corporate mates and donors as Morrison has done ::). My local area that I move about in has had 14 level crossing removals (with 2 more to come) and 11 new railway stations built (with one to come). Then there's all the new/upgraded local roads, schools, sport facilities, etc. We'll also have the metro rail tunnel finished in a couple of years (something the previous LNP gov under Baillieu & Napthine promised to build and then reneged).
What has Morrison built in Victoria? Imaginary car parks at imaginary stations :lol. Takes our taxes from a state with 25% of the national population and throws back at us some 6% in crumbs. The baseball bats are waiting for them on Saturday! :shh
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Sadly and unbelievably he still has a chance although unlikely. If neither major party achieves a majority then the crossbenchers will become king makers. Of course Morrison will just do what he always does and lie and con with phony promises he'll never deliver to try to stay in power. He's already started this process with his "I'll promise to change if you vote me back in" crap this week.
Anyway, the Libs are hoping for:
- Not a uniform swing. Doesn't matter if safe seats swing quite a bit as they don't change hands. Limiting swings in marginals is the key. It's how Howard won in 1998. Lost the 2PP overall but still retained government.
- Qld hardly swings or only a few % and there's no net change.
- Vic/NSW swaps seats for no net change. Labor has some very thin marginal seats due to the last election and the Libs will be hoping a high profile candidate like Andrew Constance contesting in Gilmore (NSW) will flip a seat or two to counter any lost seats elsewhere. The Libs will also be hoping they get over the line against the "Teals" and hold onto the wealthy inner city electorates in Melbourne and Sydney.
- Tas to hardly swing by promoting the local state government's covid response and not the Feds.
- Hope WA & SA have already got their anger out the way at the state elections and there's no net change. Unless there's a huge swing to Labor hardly any seats will change anyway. Only Boothby (SA) and Swan (WA) are under 4%.
- Gain a territory seat to overset a loss elsewhere in the country.
Conversely, Labor are hoping the polls are right this time. The pollsters have changed their methods since 2019 and since then they got both the WA & SA election results correct. Labor needs a net gain of 7 seats to win a majority government (76 seats). A 3.5 to 4% uniform 2PP swing does that. Newspoll sits at ALP 54 LNP 46 (a 5% swing from 2019). Yougov poll the other day had Labor winning 80 seats (+11) to the LNP's 63 (-13) with 7 independents (+2) and 1 Green (Bandt).
We'll find out who is right Saturday night. Perhaps even Sunday morning if the final outcome depends on WA seats.
ps. By the way, thanks to the idiot who decided to hold the election on that same night as the Dreamtime game ::).
pps. Despite whoever wins, the country is in for a couple of very difficult years now the inflationary genie is out of the bottle with stagnant wages, a trillion dollars in debt, record budget deficits and interest rates according to the Futures market expected to rise to 3% by December this year. Thanks Morrison! "Strong" economy my arsenal :facepalm.
great lets talk economy, MT keen to hear your thoughts now on the Victorian economy and how that is tracking, or doesn't that count? :lol :lol
Ah Deflecting ;). I don't blame you. Even Morrison doesn't want Morrison anymore :snidegrin.
Now we're entering the post-covid period the state's budget will return to surplus in the next couple of years. Slomo and Fraudenberg can't even promise that in a decade's time. They want 20+ years in power and not deliver one surplus :wallywink.
I see and use all the new infrastructure assets thanks to the Vic government. Something that was ignored and put in the too hard basket by previous state governments for decades stretching back to the 50s/60s. Money actually spent to benefit us plebs rather than wasting tens of billions in taxpayers money handing over free cash to the LNP's corporate mates and donors as Morrison has done ::). My local area that I move about in has had 14 level crossing removals (with 2 more to come) and 11 new railway stations built (with one to come). Then there's all the new/upgraded local roads, schools, sport facilities, etc. We'll also have the metro rail tunnel finished in a couple of years (something the previous LNP gov under Baillieu & Napthine promised to build and then reneged).
What has Morrison built in Victoria? Imaginary car parks at imaginary stations :lol. Takes our taxes from a state with 25% of the national population and throws back at us some 6% in crumbs. The baseball bats are waiting for them on Saturday! :shh
deflection, your the bloke who bought up economy in response to question on who will win the election. :banghead
lets not forget the budget blow outs on the west gate, and every other road, ripped up contracts, quarantine fiasco and the massive wages paid out. No biggy. What is happening to the mickleham thing also?
who is defending Morrison, there were mistakes made, but i merely asked about the victorian economy which you have answered in your own left words as being in fantastic shape :lol
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Nope I don’t think. The independents will ensure it won’t happen with preferences or those voters leaning to the ALP. My own electorate is a well funded independent who will win without a doubt IMO.
I even read the doctor from Kooyong is a former ALP member, so you would think even it’s hung it won’t matter really.
I’m tipping much more support for all independents than the 2 major parties :shh
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Can't say I'm thrilled by Albo but the idea of another term with Morrison is surely worse.
This new policy they are suggesting whereby younger people can access their super to buy a house is bloody insane. It will only make housing affordability for first home buyers even worse and will damage their retirement savings.
Best thing to do would be abolish negative gearing progressively over a few years. If I buy blue chip stock and lose my cash does anyone give me a tax kickback for it? No. It's just a bad investment. Real estate needs to be treated the same - if you're losing money then you either wear it for the capital gains or don't bother over-extending yourself to properties you don't live in ffs.
Edit: people should be encouraged to put more into super. This could be achieved by implementing a tax-free contribution to replace negatively geared deductions etc. Would mean that more people dump money into super later in life instead of buying more houses.
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Can't say I'm thrilled by Albo but the idea of another term with Morrison is surely worse.
This new policy they are suggesting whereby younger people can access their super to buy a house is bloody insane. It will only make housing affordability for first home buyers even worse and will damage their retirement savings.
Best thing to do would be abolish negative gearing progressively over a few years. If I buy blue chip stock and lose my cash does anyone give me a tax kickback for it? No. It's just a bad investment. Real estate needs to be treated the same - if you're losing money then you either wear it for the capital gains or don't bother ever-extending yourself to properties you don't live in ffs.
Edit: people should be encouraged to put more into super. This could be achieved by implementing a tax-free contribution to replace negatively geared deductions etc. Would mean that more people dump money into super later in life instead of buying more houses.
yes they kind of do in future years. If you end up making a profit, it will reduce that gain. If you borrowed for those stocks it works exactly the same way.
Dumping the tax will never happen Andy as both of them are aligned, and thats a good thing. Much like they will never dump the franking credits fiasco that the fools lost the last election over. ALP have learnt their lesson now.
People should be encouraged to put more into super. This could be achieved by implementing a tax-free contribution to replace negatively geared deductions etc. Would mean that more people dump money into super later in life instead of buying more houses.
I think you will find Andy they are quite a few things in place now that encourage this exact thing. Its not their fault that no one does take advantage of these things, or that people rent in elwood and munch of smashed avo every day, instead of digging deep and saving in the burbs. :shh
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I am aware that we can make voluntary contributions at reduced tax rates but those are capped.
I think we need to find ways to discourage people collecting houses and driving up prices.
If that tax money (neg gearing) could be redirected to super, heck even as a matched contribution for example, I think that would encourage people to stick it in a fund rather than a house they don't need.
Me personally I bit the bullet years ago and bought in the burbs when I was 23. Most of my friends laughed at me for living in a 'dump' like Boronia but I am enjoying the fruits of my sacrifices now because my wife and I are years ahead of many others.
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I am aware that we can make voluntary contributions at reduced tax rates but those are capped.
I think we need to find ways to discourage people collecting houses and driving up prices.
If that tax money (neg gearing) could be redirected to super, heck even as a matched contribution for example, I think that would encourage people to stick it in a fund rather than a house they don't need.
Me personally I bit the bullet years ago and bought in the burbs when I was 23. Most of my friends laughed at me for living in a 'dump' like Boronia but I am enjoying the fruits of my sacrifices now because my wife and I are years ahead of many others.
Boronia nice area. Andy there is nothing wrong with house prices. Its been going up since the start of time.https://www.homely.com.au/news/property-news/australias-median-house-price-from-1970-2016. Im not sure when negative gearing began but i dont think it was popular in the 60's, 70's and 80's and prices still went up.
issue is the way people spend and lack of wage growth, and this is why the boomers have accumulated wealth and the main reason is because they worked bloody hard for their money, sometimes working 2/3 jobs. Some of the folk in these last few generations are weak as pee, and want everything for free and blame the boomers for their mistakes and spending habits. There is also no supply so long term its only going one way.
If you pay to the max every year then yes you are capped, but if you havent done it then i think you will find you may play "catch up" Trust me there is help but people dont take advantage as they are too busy blaming everyone else. :banghead
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We can certainly agree re: weak as pee haha.
When I moved into Boronia it had a bad rep! Nice play now but we have outgrown and moved to Ferny Creek which is gorgeous.
I don't think negative gearing is the sole cause of housing going up but it certainly doesn't help, and although I think buying a home is 100% possible for young people (like me actually still at 33) it's very difficult. I don't mind it being difficult though - most good things in life are difficult!
Ultimately though if we wanted to do something to make housing more affordable I think this should be on the agenda. It still blows my mind that we give tax deductions to people losing money on their investments.
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Labor Party supporters must be so proud of “Albo” today at his press conference.
What a weak excuse for a leader that man is. How sad that he will most likely lead this country.
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Labor Party supporters must be so proud of “Albo” today at his press conference.
What a weak excuse for a leader that man is. How sad that he will most likely lead this country.
That would be a bit rich coming from anyone voting for Morrison bahaha
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As someone voting for neither I can say, IMO, Albo may be a slightly better person but he sure as poo will be a far worse leader. He is clueless
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Labor Party supporters must be so proud of “Albo” today at his press conference.
What a weak excuse for a leader that man is. How sad that he will most likely lead this country.
Why because he walked away from the press? After answering the same question at least 8 times?
ScoMo walks out on pressers too, he just doesn't let them ask the same question over and over again. He usually walks as soon as he gets a question he doesn't like.
Actually just on the 2 leaders today. Haven't heard much about ScoMo rudeness and refusing to answer a indigenous journo from NITV up in the NT today
Will be so glad when this circus of an election campaign is over
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Labor Party supporters must be so proud of “Albo” today at his press conference.
What a weak excuse for a leader that man is. How sad that he will most likely lead this country.
That would be a bit rich coming from anyone voting for Morrison bahaha
I’m voting for neither .. I’ve always been a Liberal voter, but the way they stranded Aussies during the pandemic has left a very bad taste in my mouth .. watching other foreign nationals get home while we were left with no way home was a kick in the balls ..
But that aside, Albo is a clueless moron.
Seriously, are these the best two leaders we can produce from a country of 25ml people
These imbeciles make the American fool Biden look positively brilliant.
The western world leaders are an embarrassment..
Boris Johnson
Joe Biden
Albo/scomo
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Labor Party supporters must be so proud of “Albo” today at his press conference.
What a weak excuse for a leader that man is. How sad that he will most likely lead this country.
Why because he walked away from the press? After answering the same question at least 8 times?
ScoMo walks out on pressers too, he just doesn't let them ask the same question over and over again. He usually walks as soon as he gets a question he doesn't like.
Actually just on the 2 leaders today. Haven't heard much about ScoMo rudeness and refusing to answer a indigenous journo from NITV up in the NT today
Will be so glad when this circus of an election campaign is over
He’s a rude pig and answered squat
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Been saying for years the lack of true leaders in politics these days is pathetic
Look at this election; the choices
ScoMo or Albo will be PM
Barnaby or Marles (does anyone know who is) will Deputy PM
I could go on
End of the day it comes who is the best option out of the 2
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Yeah he does.
Don't think he will. I believe people have had a gutful of his lies, mismanagement of the pandemic, his refusal to establish an anti-corruption commission, his handling of Brittany Higgins rape allegations, the Tudge disgrace, the rorting (car parks, sports granrs) and his treatment of women
Will the ALP win enough seats to form a majority govt? Not sure on that one either
But whatever the result the Libs need to look at why seats that they've always held they are now losing. This mentality they have which Credlin espoused the other week of certain seats being "their right" to hold is IMHO the actual reason they are losing these seats. Kooyong is great example. I think Frydenberg will lose his seat. Rather than moaning about the teal and other independents they need to understand what they have done to rile folks so much that a once "blue ribbon" seat is likely to fall
As for the ALP if they can't win this one, they never will.
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As they say in South Park...
...every election is a choice between a douchebag and a turd sandwich.
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Those that say "I am not voting for either Albo or ScoMo" don't understand our voting system. You have to number each box in the house of reps and therefore have to put one of Labor or Libs ahead of the other. Which becomes a vote for either Labor or the Coalition.
The exception to this is where there is an independent in a strong enough position to gain enough preferences to end up in first place.
Clear as mud.
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65, Those that say I’m not voting for either scomo or Biden usually mean they aren’t voting for anyone.
Donkey vote…
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Yeah he does.
Don't think he will. I believe people have had a gutful of his lies, mismanagement of the pandemic, his refusal to establish an anti-corruption commission, his handling of Brittany Higgins rape allegations, the Tudge disgrace, the rorting (car parks, sports granrs) and his treatment of women
Will the ALP win enough seats to form a majority govt? Not sure on that one either
But whatever the result the Libs need to look at why seats that they've always held they are now losing. This mentality they have which Credlin espoused the other week of certain seats being "their right" to hold is IMHO the actual reason they are losing these seats. Kooyong is great example. I think Frydenberg will lose his seat. Rather than moaning about the teal and other independents they need to understand what they have done to rile folks so much that a once "blue ribbon" seat is likely to fall
As for the ALP if they can't win this one, they never will.
whilst majority being true i do laugh at the hypocritical nature of this post, only being reserved for one person or side. :shh :shh
loading up of teals in only LNP held seats has been a masterstroke by Holmes a court. Why isnt he loading up in ALP held seats? Reason is he knows he has their vote anyway, or most of them.
Kooyong already had a massive swing against LNP at the last election which if you have a look at the results and other contenders were all mainly left leaning, combined with the fact the demographic in the area has changed. There is only one result here from what i can see here.
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Yeah he does.
Don't think he will. I believe people have had a gutful of his lies, mismanagement of the pandemic, his refusal to establish an anti-corruption commission, his handling of Brittany Higgins rape allegations, the Tudge disgrace, the rorting (car parks, sports granrs) and his treatment of women
Will the ALP win enough seats to form a majority govt? Not sure on that one either
But whatever the result the Libs need to look at why seats that they've always held they are now losing. This mentality they have which Credlin espoused the other week of certain seats being "their right" to hold is IMHO the actual reason they are losing these seats. Kooyong is great example. I think Frydenberg will lose his seat. Rather than moaning about the teal and other independents they need to understand what they have done to rile folks so much that a once "blue ribbon" seat is likely to fall
As for the ALP if they can't win this one, they never will.
whilst majority being true i do laugh at the hypocritical nature of this post, only being reserved for one person or side. :shh :shh
loading up of teals in only LNP held seats has been a masterstroke by Holmes a court. Why isnt he loading up in ALP held seats? Reason is he knows he has their vote anyway, or most of them.
Kooyong already had a massive swing against LNP at the last election which if you have a look at the results and other contenders were all mainly left leaning, combined with the fact the demographic in the area has changed. There is only one result here from what i can see here.
Not quite sure why you are suggesting my post is hypocritical? The original question wasn't about Albo or the other side it was clearly about ScoMo
If the question was about Albo I would have answered.
But whatever... personally I'm not a fan of either but the bottom line is come Saturdsy night (and I believe we will indeed have a result Saturday night) one of them will be PM
Thank God I'll be at the footy won't have to put up with the next circus coming to town, the TV networks banging on about the result.
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Those that say "I am not voting for either Albo or ScoMo" don't understand our voting system. You have to number each box in the house of reps and therefore have to put one of Labor or Libs ahead of the other. Which becomes a vote for either Labor or the Coalition.
The exception to this is where there is an independent in a strong enough position to gain enough preferences to end up in first place.
Clear as mud.
Seeing as I studied politics, I’ve got a fair idea.
For starters, my vote means absolutely zero. My seat is as safe as safe can be. Labor can’t lose this seat.
I’ll actually be walking in and putting a blank piece of paper in the box. stuff em all
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Seeing as I studied politics, I’ve got a fair idea.
For starters, my vote means absolutely zero. My seat is as safe as safe can be. Labor can’t lose this seat.
I’ll actually be walking in and putting a blank piece of paper in the box. stuff em all
Damo, I'm actually interested in this
I live in what used to be the safest federal Labor seat in the country. When I started voting it was held by 25% plus margin. Over the last 4 elections it has reduced to around 10%.
I've put this down to the demographic in the area changing; that is the more younger people moving in and the oldies (rusted on voters) passing on.
The other thing is also the informal vote. It has increased on average 2k-3k votes each election which impacts on the margin %.
So I am very interested to see what happens in my electorate this election. Will it decrease again or will it improve ...
Interested in your thoughts on my assumptions and also without saying which seat what the margin % is in your area
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WP- knowing your electorate as well as I do from living there over 20 years .. the demographic there has changed significantly .. you are correct in regards to younger people moving in due to affordable housing estates, but I think another huge factor in your particular electorate is the huge Indian and Māori numbers (and other migrants) .. it’s gone from a working class area, to an affordable area for migrants and younger families as they are priced out of inner suburban Melbourne ..
So without doubt the change in demographics is massive where you are ..
As for my seat .. 8.9% , but no way the Libs are winning this seat (Bendigo)
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WP- knowing your electorate as well as I do from living there over 20 years .. the demographic there has changed significantly .. you are correct in regards to younger people moving in due to affordable housing estates, but I think another huge factor in your particular electorate is the huge Indian and Māori numbers (and other migrants) .. it’s gone from a working class area, to an affordable area for migrants and younger families as they are priced out of inner suburban Melbourne ..
So without doubt the change in demographics is massive where you are ..
As for my seat .. 8.9% , but no way the Libs are winning this seat (Bendigo)
Thanks Damo
Good point re the Indian & Maori communities. I hadn't considered that but certainly makes a lot of sense.
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At least we now know why Albo was refusing to answer and ran away like a girl
Gutless swine
How can we have such vital information made public AFTER more that 31% have voted .. what a farcical situation .. shouldn’t be allowed, by either party
Where is the transparency
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Anybody think ScoMo has a chance of winning next Saturday?
Sadly and unbelievably he still has a chance although unlikely. If neither major party achieves a majority then the crossbenchers will become king makers. Of course Morrison will just do what he always does and lie and con with phony promises he'll never deliver to try to stay in power. He's already started this process with his "I'll promise to change if you vote me back in" crap this week.
Anyway, the Libs are hoping for:
- Not a uniform swing. Doesn't matter if safe seats swing quite a bit as they don't change hands. Limiting swings in marginals is the key. It's how Howard won in 1998. Lost the 2PP overall but still retained government.
- Qld hardly swings or only a few % and there's no net change.
- Vic/NSW swaps seats for no net change. Labor has some very thin marginal seats due to the last election and the Libs will be hoping a high profile candidate like Andrew Constance contesting in Gilmore (NSW) will flip a seat or two to counter any lost seats elsewhere. The Libs will also be hoping they get over the line against the "Teals" and hold onto the wealthy inner city electorates in Melbourne and Sydney.
- Tas to hardly swing by promoting the local state government's covid response and not the Feds.
- Hope WA & SA have already got their anger out the way at the state elections and there's no net change. Unless there's a huge swing to Labor hardly any seats will change anyway. Only Boothby (SA) and Swan (WA) are under 4%.
- Gain a territory seat to overset a loss elsewhere in the country.
Conversely, Labor are hoping the polls are right this time. The pollsters have changed their methods since 2019 and since then they got both the WA & SA election results correct. Labor needs a net gain of 7 seats to win a majority government (76 seats). A 3.5 to 4% uniform 2PP swing does that. Newspoll sits at ALP 54 LNP 46 (a 5% swing from 2019). Yougov poll the other day had Labor winning 80 seats (+11) to the LNP's 63 (-13) with 7 independents (+2) and 1 Green (Bandt).
We'll find out who is right Saturday night. Perhaps even Sunday morning if the final outcome depends on WA seats.
ps. By the way, thanks to the idiot who decided to hold the election on that same night as the Dreamtime game ::).
pps. Despite whoever wins, the country is in for a couple of very difficult years now the inflationary genie is out of the bottle with stagnant wages, a trillion dollars in debt, record budget deficits and interest rates according to the Futures market expected to rise to 3% by December this year. Thanks Morrison! "Strong" economy my arsenal :facepalm.
great lets talk economy, MT keen to hear your thoughts now on the Victorian economy and how that is tracking, or doesn't that count? :lol :lol
Ah Deflecting ;). I don't blame you. Even Morrison doesn't want Morrison anymore :snidegrin.
Now we're entering the post-covid period the state's budget will return to surplus in the next couple of years. Slomo and Fraudenberg can't even promise that in a decade's time. They want 20+ years in power and not deliver one surplus :wallywink.
I see and use all the new infrastructure assets thanks to the Vic government. Something that was ignored and put in the too hard basket by previous state governments for decades stretching back to the 50s/60s. Money actually spent to benefit us plebs rather than wasting tens of billions in taxpayers money handing over free cash to the LNP's corporate mates and donors as Morrison has done ::). My local area that I move about in has had 14 level crossing removals (with 2 more to come) and 11 new railway stations built (with one to come). Then there's all the new/upgraded local roads, schools, sport facilities, etc. We'll also have the metro rail tunnel finished in a couple of years (something the previous LNP gov under Baillieu & Napthine promised to build and then reneged).
What has Morrison built in Victoria? Imaginary car parks at imaginary stations :lol. Takes our taxes from a state with 25% of the national population and throws back at us some 6% in crumbs. The baseball bats are waiting for them on Saturday! :shh
deflection, your the bloke who bought up economy in response to question on who will win the election. :banghead
lets not forget the budget blow outs on the west gate, and every other road, ripped up contracts, quarantine fiasco and the massive wages paid out. No biggy. What is happening to the mickleham thing also?
who is defending Morrison, there were mistakes made, but i merely asked about the victorian economy which you have answered in your own left words as being in fantastic shape :lol
"left" .... Really? Grow up! ::)
Deflecting as in Federal politics was being discussed and you deflected by bringing up Andrews and state politics.
Mickleham is owned by the federal government who paid for its construction. The state government pays for the operating costs during the pandemic. When the pandemic is over it will be up to the Feds to decide what it will be used for next. There's talk of using it as emergency shelter for those fleeing bushfires or displaced Ukrainian refugees if the war over there ends up continuing for a long time. Obviously, it should have been built 18 months earlier but a certain someone refused to build purpose built quarantine facilities even emergency ones when told to by one of his own departments in September 2020.
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loading up of teals in only LNP held seats has been a masterstroke by Holmes a court. Why isnt he loading up in ALP held seats? Reason is he knows he has their vote anyway, or most of them.
Kooyong already had a massive swing against LNP at the last election which if you have a look at the results and other contenders were all mainly left leaning, combined with the fact the demographic in the area has changed. There is only one result here from what i can see here.
The Teals are traditional small "l" liberals who believe the Liberal party has been hijacked by hardcore social/religious conservatives who have pushed the party away from the centre-right to the alt-right. Monique Ryan's views like most of the Teals are economically dry, pro-mainstream science and socially progressive. This is effectively a Liberal party civil war. It's why it's so personal and nasty. The Teals want to bring down the ultra-conservatives by attacking these wealthy progressive normally safe Liberal seats to deny the Liberal party government and force the party to have to move back to the centre to defeat Labor and win back power. Attacking Labor seats wouldn't achieve anything except maintain the status quo and they wouldn't win in traditional Labor seats anyway.
I do find it bizarre that the modern LNP cheered on by the Murdoch media and the IPA see anyone who supports a mainstream science issue such as climate change as being politically "Left". Since when is mainstream science left-wing? :huh3 Can't a right-winger be an atheist? Can't a right-winger support the overwhelming evidence of AGW and use the need for change as an entrepreneurial opportunity? As conservative as Thatcher and Reagan were they were never anti-science. When greenhouse gases from human activity caused a hole in the Ozone layer they didn't see action to correct it as some left-wing conspiracy to create one-world government.
The modern LNP is so controlled now by ultra-religious DLP-types (Abbott/Morrison), Murdoch and the IPA that a number of traditional small "l" Liberal supporters see the party morphing into Trump Republicans where traditional Republicans who don't support Trump's BS like falsely claiming a rigged election are now mocked as RINOs (Republican In Name Only) and have zero chance of representing the party in parliament/congress. So much for individual freedom and standing up for truth! No wonder so many small "l" liberals are quitting and abandoning the party and supporting these Teal independents. They aren't switching to Labor.
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Can't say I'm thrilled by Albo but the idea of another term with Morrison is surely worse.
This new policy they are suggesting whereby younger people can access their super to buy a house is bloody insane. It will only make housing affordability for first home buyers even worse and will damage their retirement savings.
Best thing to do would be abolish negative gearing progressively over a few years. If I buy blue chip stock and lose my cash does anyone give me a tax kickback for it? No. It's just a bad investment. Real estate needs to be treated the same - if you're losing money then you either wear it for the capital gains or don't bother over-extending yourself to properties you don't live in ffs.
Edit: people should be encouraged to put more into super. This could be achieved by implementing a tax-free contribution to replace negatively geared deductions etc. Would mean that more people dump money into super later in life instead of buying more houses.
WP would know for sure but I think you can use negative gearing on stocks if you borrow to pay for your margin (eg: if you're a stock trader) and your income from the stocks is less than what you've borrowed.
If it can't politically be abolished altogether then as a compromise I would cap and limit negative gearing on properties. Cap it for low-middle incomers and limit it to just 1-2 investment properties only. That still aides low-middle incomers to buy a little nest egg on the side for their retirement or whatever but it would prevent millionaire investors and property developers from using negative gearing on say 20 properties simply to gain a freebie tax break and an unfair advantage at auctions. Limit investors' buying power to open the market more for new home buyers trying to buy their actual home to live in.
As for freebie franking credits, as much as some want to stick their head in the sand and play politics :whistle, that issue will not go away forever as the cost to the budget is and will become increasingly unsustainable. You can't have a system where more and more people get free money courtesy of the taxpayer while diminishing corporate tax revenue. The imputation system was designed to avoid double taxation; not free tax credit handouts to people who don't pay tax in the first place. As a compromise, it at the very least needs to be grandfathered and capped based on overall income and assets for those currently retired and using it and abolished for everyone else.
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Let's see how right or wrong the polls are this time?
Newspoll: (20 May)
Federal Primary Votes: LNP 35 ALP 36 GRN 12 ON 5 UAP 3 IND/Others 9
Federal 2 Party Preferred: LNP 47 ALP 53
Ipsos: (19 May)
Federal Primary Votes: LNP 35 ALP 36 GRN 13 ON 5 UAP 3 IND/Others 8
Federal 2 Party Preferred: LNP 47 ALP 53
Resolve NineFairfax: (17 May)
Federal Primary Votes: LNP 34 ALP 31 GRN 14 ON 6 UAP 4 IND 6 Others 4
Federal 2 Party Preferred: LNP 49 ALP 51
Morgan: (17 May)
Federal Primary Votes: LNP 34 ALP 34 GRN 13 ON 4 UAP 1 IND 9 Others 5
Federal 2 Party Preferred: LNP 47 ALP 53
https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/race-tightens-poll-shows-coalition-lifting-support-and-labor-dropping-20220517-p5am44.html
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8981-federal-voting-election-summary-may-20-2022-202205200633
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Well today is the day
Some will be happy, some will be unhappy :rollin
Reckon by about 11pm we will know one way or another ;D
Democracy Sausage anyone? :cheers
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loading up of teals in only LNP held seats has been a masterstroke by Holmes a court. Why isnt he loading up in ALP held seats? Reason is he knows he has their vote anyway, or most of them.
Kooyong already had a massive swing against LNP at the last election which if you have a look at the results and other contenders were all mainly left leaning, combined with the fact the demographic in the area has changed. There is only one result here from what i can see here.
The Teals are traditional small "l" liberals who believe the Liberal party has been hijacked by hardcore social/religious conservatives who have pushed the party away from the centre-right to the alt-right. Monique Ryan's views like most of the Teals are economically dry, pro-mainstream science and socially progressive. This is effectively a Liberal party civil war. It's why it's so personal and nasty. The Teals want to bring down the ultra-conservatives by attacking these wealthy progressive normally safe Liberal seats to deny the Liberal party government and force the party to have to move back to the centre to defeat Labor and win back power. Attacking Labor seats wouldn't achieve anything except maintain the status quo and they wouldn't win in traditional Labor seats anyway.
I do find it bizarre that the modern LNP cheered on by the Murdoch media and the IPA see anyone who supports a mainstream science issue such as climate change as being politically "Left". Since when is mainstream science left-wing? :huh3 Can't a right-winger be an atheist? Can't a right-winger support the overwhelming evidence of AGW and use the need for change as an entrepreneurial opportunity? As conservative as Thatcher and Reagan were they were never anti-science. When greenhouse gases from human activity caused a hole in the Ozone layer they didn't see action to correct it as some left-wing conspiracy to create one-world government.
The modern LNP is so controlled now by ultra-religious DLP-types (Abbott/Morrison), Murdoch and the IPA that a number of traditional small "l" Liberal supporters see the party morphing into Trump Republicans where traditional Republicans who don't support Trump's BS like falsely claiming a rigged election are now mocked as RINOs (Republican In Name Only) and have zero chance of representing the party in parliament/congress. So much for individual freedom and standing up for truth! No wonder so many small "l" liberals are quitting and abandoning the party and supporting these Teal independents. They aren't switching to Labor.
Trump. I've heard it all now. 100% garbage. So scomo goes to church waves his hands and he has seen as alt right now, or a trump clone controlled by rupert murdoch. :lol :lol Before scomo was Turnbull, yep far right as they come that bloke. Nice of you to conveniently leave his name out.
So voters have no issues with with the pandemic, ICAC, climate change, scomo, cost of living, housing issues, changing demographic or the fact the LNP have had a good turn at it. Nope. Just cause scomo is far right and went to church waving his hands in the air. FMD were you were an alter boy growing up, as religion only pops up a lot with you.
If you look at the LNP policies they are more aligned with the ALP than ever before, which is the major reason many traditional LNP voters are deserting them Look at everything over the last few years its hard to tell the difference, which is why i expect the majors to see a swing against them. I live in 1 of these electorates so unless you do as well how the hell would you know what they are saying/thinking, let alone think its all about 1 thing. I have spoken to many in my area, some i know and and some i have met in passing. My view is is they are upset with things like the lies, housing, and pandemic to name 3. I have not heard one tell me its because they are religious or trump clones. An example of this is a guy across the road who is in his 50's and is upset that LNP didnt do enough to help people buy a house as he has been renting for 20 years with his family. Plenty of places in the west he could have moved to as they apparently grow up "faster" over there, or outer south east like most people do to start off with.
People want change simple and by taking over LNP held seats like the ones in question, with big $$$ thrown in by climate 200, they rob them of a majority. People want change and have had enough of the 2 major parties hence why many say both leaders are dull and hopeless.
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Well today is the day
Some will be happy, some will be unhappy :rollin
Reckon by about 11pm we will know one way or another ;D
Democracy Sausage anyone? :cheers
are they still doing the sausage? They better be as im about to head over.
For those who like odds i find it interesting Monique Ryan is $2.60 and Zoe Daniel at $1.35. I would have thought both would be favorites.
$2.60 are pretty good odds
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Well today is the day
Some will be happy, some will be unhappy :rollin
Reckon by about 11pm we will know one way or another ;D
Democracy Sausage anyone? :cheers
are they still doing the sausage? They better be as im about to head over.
For those who like odds i find it interesting Monique Ryan is $2.60 and Zoe Daniel at $1.35. I would have thought both would be favorites.
$2.60 are pretty good odds
Yes some polling places have the Democracy Sausages going.
Of our 3 locals only one did.
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Yep 👍 our local had em. Always tastes good.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdxUlpuhVqo/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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shes all over. Quite a smashing in WA, but not overly surprising elsewhere the independents have taken over.
I dont know about this seat of higgins but a mate i spoke to at the G tonight said it takes in south yarra armadale which is even bigger than kooyong i would have thought.
anyway lets see what this bloke has to offer as the people have shown they arent happy with either party at present.
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HUN now saying the ALP will have a majority govt, which if they are right I will admit I'm genuinely surprised about
Not at all surprised by the LNP losses of Kooyong and Higgins. The LNP certainly didn't "read the room" in Victoria. One of their Senators (Hume) admitted they thought they'd pick up votes due to the dislike of Dan Andrews after our lockdowns and "disappointingly" they didn't. Staggering admission to make
The media are also suggesting that Pauline Hansen will lose her Senate seat. Will confess I really don't understand the "quota" system for our Senate
Frankie, agree with you about people not being happy with either party. Clearly the primary numbers show that. Huge challenges ahead for the new government with the country so divided
And I haven't had time to reply to the below and i suppose it is a mute point now that ScoMo has been turfed out
Can't say I'm thrilled by Albo but the idea of another term with Morrison is surely worse.
This new policy they are suggesting whereby younger people can access their super to buy a house is bloody insane. It will only make housing affordability for first home buyers even worse and will damage their retirement savings.
Best thing to do would be abolish negative gearing progressively over a few years. If I buy blue chip stock and lose my cash does anyone give me a tax kickback for it? No. It's just a bad investment. Real estate needs to be treated the same - if you're losing money then you either wear it for the capital gains or don't bother over-extending yourself to properties you don't live in ffs.
Edit: people should be encouraged to put more into super. This could be achieved by implementing a tax-free contribution to replace negatively geared deductions etc. Would mean that more people dump money into super later in life instead of buying more houses.
WP would know for sure but I think you can use negative gearing on stocks if you borrow to pay for your margin (eg: if you're a stock trader) and your income from the stocks is less than what you've borrowed.
Sorry MT but I don't know as taxation was not my accounting discipline. So I am not up to speed at all with CGT or negative gearing. :)
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loading up of teals in only LNP held seats has been a masterstroke by Holmes a court. Why isnt he loading up in ALP held seats? Reason is he knows he has their vote anyway, or most of them.
Kooyong already had a massive swing against LNP at the last election which if you have a look at the results and other contenders were all mainly left leaning, combined with the fact the demographic in the area has changed. There is only one result here from what i can see here.
The Teals are traditional small "l" liberals who believe the Liberal party has been hijacked by hardcore social/religious conservatives who have pushed the party away from the centre-right to the alt-right. Monique Ryan's views like most of the Teals are economically dry, pro-mainstream science and socially progressive. This is effectively a Liberal party civil war. It's why it's so personal and nasty. The Teals want to bring down the ultra-conservatives by attacking these wealthy progressive normally safe Liberal seats to deny the Liberal party government and force the party to have to move back to the centre to defeat Labor and win back power. Attacking Labor seats wouldn't achieve anything except maintain the status quo and they wouldn't win in traditional Labor seats anyway.
I do find it bizarre that the modern LNP cheered on by the Murdoch media and the IPA see anyone who supports a mainstream science issue such as climate change as being politically "Left". Since when is mainstream science left-wing? :huh3 Can't a right-winger be an atheist? Can't a right-winger support the overwhelming evidence of AGW and use the need for change as an entrepreneurial opportunity? As conservative as Thatcher and Reagan were they were never anti-science. When greenhouse gases from human activity caused a hole in the Ozone layer they didn't see action to correct it as some left-wing conspiracy to create one-world government.
The modern LNP is so controlled now by ultra-religious DLP-types (Abbott/Morrison), Murdoch and the IPA that a number of traditional small "l" Liberal supporters see the party morphing into Trump Republicans where traditional Republicans who don't support Trump's BS like falsely claiming a rigged election are now mocked as RINOs (Republican In Name Only) and have zero chance of representing the party in parliament/congress. So much for individual freedom and standing up for truth! No wonder so many small "l" liberals are quitting and abandoning the party and supporting these Teal independents. They aren't switching to Labor.
Trump. I've heard it all now. 100% garbage. So scomo goes to church waves his hands and he has seen as alt right now, or a trump clone controlled by rupert murdoch. :lol :lol Before scomo was Turnbull, yep far right as they come that bloke. Nice of you to conveniently leave his name out.
So voters have no issues with with the pandemic, ICAC, climate change, scomo, cost of living, housing issues, changing demographic or the fact the LNP have had a good turn at it. Nope. Just cause scomo is far right and went to church waving his hands in the air. FMD were you were an alter boy growing up, as religion only pops up a lot with you.
If you look at the LNP policies they are more aligned with the ALP than ever before, which is the major reason many traditional LNP voters are deserting them Look at everything over the last few years its hard to tell the difference, which is why i expect the majors to see a swing against them. I live in 1 of these electorates so unless you do as well how the hell would you know what they are saying/thinking, let alone think its all about 1 thing. I have spoken to many in my area, some i know and and some i have met in passing. My view is is they are upset with things like the lies, housing, and pandemic to name 3. I have not heard one tell me its because they are religious or trump clones. An example of this is a guy across the road who is in his 50's and is upset that LNP didnt do enough to help people buy a house as he has been renting for 20 years with his family. Plenty of places in the west he could have moved to as they apparently grow up "faster" over there, or outer south east like most people do to start off with.
People want change simple and by taking over LNP held seats like the ones in question, with big $$$ thrown in by climate 200, they rob them of a majority. People want change and have had enough of the 2 major parties hence why many say both leaders are dull and hopeless.
The Liberals have been smashed in their traditional heartland by pro-science socially progressive independent women. Do you still want to believe the Murdoch/IPA BS that the Liberals lost because they have moved to the "left"? :lol
You state a whole list of issues that contributed to the election result and I agree with you on those. Problem is the LNP turns these important issues into this "cultural war" BS cheered on by the Murdoch media. More and more Australians have had enough of this divisive imported foreign Yankee political crap. The people decide who runs our country not the media!
Yes I live in what is now one of these federal "Teal" seats. Actually glad the election is over so my letterbox isn't filled daily to the brim with political pamphlets and my phone bombarded with unknown numbers calling me at all hours :thumbsdown. So I do know what locally is going on ;). Of the Liberals kicked out - we had Mr "I racked up a trillion dollar debt, bowed down to climate denialists & shafted my own home state" Fraudenberg, an IPA hack :wave, Morrison's captain picked religious nutter whose main focus was to hate transgender people :facepalm, and two other more traditional Liberals who didn't speak up and now have paid the price politically. Actually feel sorry for Zimmerman. Seems a decent bloke from afar.
Wealthy urban areas are more likely to be socially progressive, pro-tech/science and non-religious. That's just a demographic fact. The LNP pandering to anti-science non-urban Queensland hicks and ultra-religious loonies like Bernie Finn & Katherine Deves is now political poison in these areas. If the Liberals want to regain their old base then they are going to have to modernise their social and scientific views in line with the majority of society. As I said in my previous post most of these issues aren't politically "left" nor "right". They are and should be above politics as there's only one reality! The Liberals have thrown themselves under the bus for the Murdochs, Barnaby's Nationals and the nutjob Queensland LNP. The only state where the Liberals didn't go down the anti-science rabbit hole and for example held firm with its expertise-led covid health response and border closers similar to what WA did was Tasmania thanks to former premier Peter Gutwein. No surprise it was the state that swung against the national trend. It would've helped Bridget Archer in Bass too that she stood up to and distanced herself from Morrison unlike the Libs in the Teal seats.
ps. There's also a lesson for the ALP by the way regarding the seat of Fowler. Don't get too cute by half!
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The media are also suggesting that Pauline Hansen will lose her Senate seat.
Oh please be true! :pray
Will confess I really don't understand the "quota" system for our Senate
The voting population of each state is divided by the [number of senate vacancies + 1] to determine the number votes needed to win a senate seat (called a "quota"). If you get more than a "quota" then you get a senate seat and your excess votes are transferred via your preferences to other candidates. After each turn (highest to lowest votes) the candidate who achieves a quota via preferences is given a senate seat and the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated. The process continues until all senate vacancies for that state are filled.
Here's the quota system fully explained with a working example.
https://www.aec.gov.au/voting/counting/senate_count.htm#:~:text=To%20be%20elected%20to%20the,result%20(ignoring%20any%20remainder).
Example: https://www.aec.gov.au/voting/counting/files/senate-count-process.pdf
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loading up of teals in only LNP held seats has been a masterstroke by Holmes a court. Why isnt he loading up in ALP held seats? Reason is he knows he has their vote anyway, or most of them.
Kooyong already had a massive swing against LNP at the last election which if you have a look at the results and other contenders were all mainly left leaning, combined with the fact the demographic in the area has changed. There is only one result here from what i can see here.
The Teals are traditional small "l" liberals who believe the Liberal party has been hijacked by hardcore social/religious conservatives who have pushed the party away from the centre-right to the alt-right. Monique Ryan's views like most of the Teals are economically dry, pro-mainstream science and socially progressive. This is effectively a Liberal party civil war. It's why it's so personal and nasty. The Teals want to bring down the ultra-conservatives by attacking these wealthy progressive normally safe Liberal seats to deny the Liberal party government and force the party to have to move back to the centre to defeat Labor and win back power. Attacking Labor seats wouldn't achieve anything except maintain the status quo and they wouldn't win in traditional Labor seats anyway.
I do find it bizarre that the modern LNP cheered on by the Murdoch media and the IPA see anyone who supports a mainstream science issue such as climate change as being politically "Left". Since when is mainstream science left-wing? :huh3 Can't a right-winger be an atheist? Can't a right-winger support the overwhelming evidence of AGW and use the need for change as an entrepreneurial opportunity? As conservative as Thatcher and Reagan were they were never anti-science. When greenhouse gases from human activity caused a hole in the Ozone layer they didn't see action to correct it as some left-wing conspiracy to create one-world government.
The modern LNP is so controlled now by ultra-religious DLP-types (Abbott/Morrison), Murdoch and the IPA that a number of traditional small "l" Liberal supporters see the party morphing into Trump Republicans where traditional Republicans who don't support Trump's BS like falsely claiming a rigged election are now mocked as RINOs (Republican In Name Only) and have zero chance of representing the party in parliament/congress. So much for individual freedom and standing up for truth! No wonder so many small "l" liberals are quitting and abandoning the party and supporting these Teal independents. They aren't switching to Labor.
Trump. I've heard it all now. 100% garbage. So scomo goes to church waves his hands and he has seen as alt right now, or a trump clone controlled by rupert murdoch. :lol :lol Before scomo was Turnbull, yep far right as they come that bloke. Nice of you to conveniently leave his name out.
So voters have no issues with with the pandemic, ICAC, climate change, scomo, cost of living, housing issues, changing demographic or the fact the LNP have had a good turn at it. Nope. Just cause scomo is far right and went to church waving his hands in the air. FMD were you were an alter boy growing up, as religion only pops up a lot with you.
If you look at the LNP policies they are more aligned with the ALP than ever before, which is the major reason many traditional LNP voters are deserting them Look at everything over the last few years its hard to tell the difference, which is why i expect the majors to see a swing against them. I live in 1 of these electorates so unless you do as well how the hell would you know what they are saying/thinking, let alone think its all about 1 thing. I have spoken to many in my area, some i know and and some i have met in passing. My view is is they are upset with things like the lies, housing, and pandemic to name 3. I have not heard one tell me its because they are religious or trump clones. An example of this is a guy across the road who is in his 50's and is upset that LNP didnt do enough to help people buy a house as he has been renting for 20 years with his family. Plenty of places in the west he could have moved to as they apparently grow up "faster" over there, or outer south east like most people do to start off with.
People want change simple and by taking over LNP held seats like the ones in question, with big $$$ thrown in by climate 200, they rob them of a majority. People want change and have had enough of the 2 major parties hence why many say both leaders are dull and hopeless.
The Liberals have been smashed in their traditional heartland by pro-science socially progressive independent women. Do you still want to believe the Murdoch/IPA BS that the Liberals lost because they have moved to the "left"? :lol
You state a whole list of issues that contributed to the election result and I agree with you on those. Problem is the LNP turns these important issues into this "cultural war" BS cheered on by the Murdoch media. More and more Australians have had enough of this divisive imported foreign Yankee political crap. The people decide who runs our country not the media!
Yes I live in what is now one of these federal "Teal" seats. Actually glad the election is over so my letterbox isn't filled daily to the brim with political pamphlets and my phone bombarded with unknown numbers calling me at all hours :thumbsdown. So I do know what locally is going on ;). Of the Liberals kicked out - we had Mr "I racked up a trillion dollar debt, bowed down to climate denialists & shafted my own home state" Fraudenberg, an IPA hack :wave, Morrison's captain picked religious nutter whose main focus was to hate transgender people :facepalm, and two other more traditional Liberals who didn't speak up and now have paid the price politically. Actually feel sorry for Zimmerman. Seems a decent bloke from afar.
Wealthy urban areas are more likely to be socially progressive, pro-tech/science and non-religious. That's just a demographic fact. The LNP pandering to anti-science non-urban Queensland hicks and ultra-religious loonies like Bernie Finn & Katherine Deves is now political poison in these areas. If the Liberals want to regain their old base then they are going to have to modernise their social and scientific views in line with the majority of society. As I said in my previous post most of these issues aren't politically "left" nor "right". They are and should be above politics as there's only one reality! The Liberals have thrown themselves under the bus for the Murdochs, Barnaby's Nationals and the nutjob Queensland LNP. The only state where the Liberals didn't go down the anti-science rabbit hole and for example held firm with its expertise-led covid health response and border closers similar to what WA did was Tasmania thanks to former premier Peter Gutwein. No surprise it was the state that swung against the national trend. It would've helped Bridget Archer in Bass too that she stood up to and distanced herself from Morrison unlike the Libs in the Teal seats.
ps. There's also a lesson for the ALP by the way regarding the seat of Fowler. Don't get too cute by half!
Interesting response MT and I liked how you used science a lot to make your point about people in urban areas being less religious and more progressive.
In regards to biological science, how many genders are there?
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HUN now saying the ALP will have a majority govt, which if they are right I will admit I'm genuinely surprised about
Not at all surprised by the LNP losses of Kooyong and Higgins. The LNP certainly didn't "read the room" in Victoria. One of their Senators (Hume) admitted they thought they'd pick up votes due to the dislike of Dan Andrews after our lockdowns and "disappointingly" they didn't. Staggering admission to make
The media are also suggesting that Pauline Hansen will lose her Senate seat. Will confess I really don't understand the "quota" system for our Senate
Frankie, agree with you about people not being happy with either party. Clearly the primary numbers show that. Huge challenges ahead for the new government with the country so divided
And I haven't had time to reply to the below and i suppose it is a mute point now that ScoMo has been turfed out
Can't say I'm thrilled by Albo but the idea of another term with Morrison is surely worse.
This new policy they are suggesting whereby younger people can access their super to buy a house is bloody insane. It will only make housing affordability for first home buyers even worse and will damage their retirement savings.
Best thing to do would be abolish negative gearing progressively over a few years. If I buy blue chip stock and lose my cash does anyone give me a tax kickback for it? No. It's just a bad investment. Real estate needs to be treated the same - if you're losing money then you either wear it for the capital gains or don't bother over-extending yourself to properties you don't live in ffs.
Edit: people should be encouraged to put more into super. This could be achieved by implementing a tax-free contribution to replace negatively geared deductions etc. Would mean that more people dump money into super later in life instead of buying more houses.
WP would know for sure but I think you can use negative gearing on stocks if you borrow to pay for your margin (eg: if you're a stock trader) and your income from the stocks is less than what you've borrowed.
Sorry MT but I don't know as taxation was not my accounting discipline. So I am not up to speed at all with CGT or negative gearing. :)
works the same way as property. You borrow for trading then the interest and fees are deductible if it exceeds the income it generates. Same as anything. Even if you borrow for bitcoin, or lose your cash on it then you can offset that loss against future gains.
I think she is still on track and clive palmer most likely gets one in Victoria. I could be wrong but thats how it looks to me. This is by lookin at abc results WP.
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loading up of teals in only LNP held seats has been a masterstroke by Holmes a court. Why isnt he loading up in ALP held seats? Reason is he knows he has their vote anyway, or most of them.
Kooyong already had a massive swing against LNP at the last election which if you have a look at the results and other contenders were all mainly left leaning, combined with the fact the demographic in the area has changed. There is only one result here from what i can see here.
The Teals are traditional small "l" liberals who believe the Liberal party has been hijacked by hardcore social/religious conservatives who have pushed the party away from the centre-right to the alt-right. Monique Ryan's views like most of the Teals are economically dry, pro-mainstream science and socially progressive. This is effectively a Liberal party civil war. It's why it's so personal and nasty. The Teals want to bring down the ultra-conservatives by attacking these wealthy progressive normally safe Liberal seats to deny the Liberal party government and force the party to have to move back to the centre to defeat Labor and win back power. Attacking Labor seats wouldn't achieve anything except maintain the status quo and they wouldn't win in traditional Labor seats anyway.
I do find it bizarre that the modern LNP cheered on by the Murdoch media and the IPA see anyone who supports a mainstream science issue such as climate change as being politically "Left". Since when is mainstream science left-wing? :huh3 Can't a right-winger be an atheist? Can't a right-winger support the overwhelming evidence of AGW and use the need for change as an entrepreneurial opportunity? As conservative as Thatcher and Reagan were they were never anti-science. When greenhouse gases from human activity caused a hole in the Ozone layer they didn't see action to correct it as some left-wing conspiracy to create one-world government.
The modern LNP is so controlled now by ultra-religious DLP-types (Abbott/Morrison), Murdoch and the IPA that a number of traditional small "l" Liberal supporters see the party morphing into Trump Republicans where traditional Republicans who don't support Trump's BS like falsely claiming a rigged election are now mocked as RINOs (Republican In Name Only) and have zero chance of representing the party in parliament/congress. So much for individual freedom and standing up for truth! No wonder so many small "l" liberals are quitting and abandoning the party and supporting these Teal independents. They aren't switching to Labor.
Trump. I've heard it all now. 100% garbage. So scomo goes to church waves his hands and he has seen as alt right now, or a trump clone controlled by rupert murdoch. :lol :lol Before scomo was Turnbull, yep far right as they come that bloke. Nice of you to conveniently leave his name out.
So voters have no issues with with the pandemic, ICAC, climate change, scomo, cost of living, housing issues, changing demographic or the fact the LNP have had a good turn at it. Nope. Just cause scomo is far right and went to church waving his hands in the air. FMD were you were an alter boy growing up, as religion only pops up a lot with you.
If you look at the LNP policies they are more aligned with the ALP than ever before, which is the major reason many traditional LNP voters are deserting them Look at everything over the last few years its hard to tell the difference, which is why i expect the majors to see a swing against them. I live in 1 of these electorates so unless you do as well how the hell would you know what they are saying/thinking, let alone think its all about 1 thing. I have spoken to many in my area, some i know and and some i have met in passing. My view is is they are upset with things like the lies, housing, and pandemic to name 3. I have not heard one tell me its because they are religious or trump clones. An example of this is a guy across the road who is in his 50's and is upset that LNP didnt do enough to help people buy a house as he has been renting for 20 years with his family. Plenty of places in the west he could have moved to as they apparently grow up "faster" over there, or outer south east like most people do to start off with.
People want change simple and by taking over LNP held seats like the ones in question, with big $$$ thrown in by climate 200, they rob them of a majority. People want change and have had enough of the 2 major parties hence why many say both leaders are dull and hopeless.
The Liberals have been smashed in their traditional heartland by pro-science socially progressive independent women. Do you still want to believe the Murdoch/IPA BS that the Liberals lost because they have moved to the "left"? :lol
You state a whole list of issues that contributed to the election result and I agree with you on those. Problem is the LNP turns these important issues into this "cultural war" BS cheered on by the Murdoch media. More and more Australians have had enough of this divisive imported foreign Yankee political crap. The people decide who runs our country not the media!
Yes I live in what is now one of these federal "Teal" seats. Actually glad the election is over so my letterbox isn't filled daily to the brim with political pamphlets and my phone bombarded with unknown numbers calling me at all hours :thumbsdown. So I do know what locally is going on ;). Of the Liberals kicked out - we had Mr "I racked up a trillion dollar debt, bowed down to climate denialists & shafted my own home state" Fraudenberg, an IPA hack :wave, Morrison's captain picked religious nutter whose main focus was to hate transgender people :facepalm, and two other more traditional Liberals who didn't speak up and now have paid the price politically. Actually feel sorry for Zimmerman. Seems a decent bloke from afar.
Wealthy urban areas are more likely to be socially progressive, pro-tech/science and non-religious. That's just a demographic fact. The LNP pandering to anti-science non-urban Queensland hicks and ultra-religious loonies like Bernie Finn & Katherine Deves is now political poison in these areas. If the Liberals want to regain their old base then they are going to have to modernise their social and scientific views in line with the majority of society. As I said in my previous post most of these issues aren't politically "left" nor "right". They are and should be above politics as there's only one reality! The Liberals have thrown themselves under the bus for the Murdochs, Barnaby's Nationals and the nutjob Queensland LNP. The only state where the Liberals didn't go down the anti-science rabbit hole and for example held firm with its expertise-led covid health response and border closers similar to what WA did was Tasmania thanks to former premier Peter Gutwein. No surprise it was the state that swung against the national trend. It would've helped Bridget Archer in Bass too that she stood up to and distanced herself from Morrison unlike the Libs in the Teal seats.
ps. There's also a lesson for the ALP by the way regarding the seat of Fowler. Don't get too cute by half!
Anti-science? Which state did that? You brought up states so tell me how we fared? We decided to rip up contracts and waste money on rorts, so we got we deserved. There was nothing else that decided these teal seats apart from climate change rhetoric paid for by one man. Not religion as you foolishly suggested in a previous post or some trump garbage which followed. It was about climate and an anti scomo sentiment, much like it was against abbott.
Come next time when taxes are raised, as lets face it something has to give given the ALP history, then we may see a different tone of voice. Housing wont be more affordable as it hasnt in 100 years so the moans and groans will come. This time they had nothing to complain about as the ALP and LNP were aligned on just about everything :shh
I mean stage 3 tax cuts give a person on 200k an extra 9000. Albo said yep copy that we agree also. Since when does an ALP government agree to follow through on such a thing. Never!
This was a well planned campaign to not upset the apple cart and it worked. There was nothing to differentiate between the 2 parties so voters go yep we have had enough of them give someone else a go. Its reflected n the low primary vote for both.
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Dutton is the new Liberal leader and opposition leader.
Littleproud replaces Barnaby Joyce as leader of the Nationals.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7759560/whos-who-in-the-oppositions-new-zoo/
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Multiple news outlets reporting ALP have retained the Vic seat of McNamara
This is gives the ALP 76 seats in the House of Reps and a majority government
Still 2 seats undecided
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All seats in the House of Reps have now been decided.
Government: ALP 77
Opposition: LNP 58
Crossbench: 16 .... 4 Greens,
Katter Australia Party (Katter)
Centre Alliance (Sharkie)
10 Independents (Le, Scamps, Tink, Steggall, Spender, Wilkie, Daniel, Haines, Ryan, Chaney)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results?filter=all&sort=az&state=all
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Albanese's ministry:
Richard Marles: Defence
Penny Wong: Foreign affairs
Jim Chalmers: Treasurer
Katy Gallagher: finance; women
Mark Butler: Health and aged care
Don Farrell: Trade and tourism
Chris Bowen: Climate change
Tanya Plibersek: Water and Environment
Bill Shorten: NDIS
Jason Clare: Education
Tony Burke: Arts; Employment & Workplace Relations
Brendan O'Connor: Skills & Training.
Clare O’Neil: Home affairs
Amanda Rishworth: Social services
Ed Husic: Industry and science
Julie Collins: Housing and Homelessness; Small Business
Michelle Rowland: Communications
Madeleine King: Resources; Northern Australia
Catherine King: Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Development; Local Government.
Linda Burney: Indigenous Australians
Mark Dreyfus: Attorney General
Murray Watt: Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry; Emergency Management
Andrew Giles: Immigration, Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs.
Anne Aly: Early Childhood Education; Youth.
Anika Wells: Sport; Assistant Minister for Aged Care
Kristy McBain: Industry Development and Territories.
Pat Dodson: Uluru statement special envoy
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/prime-minister-anthony-albanese-unveils-new-ministry-featuring-a-record-number-of-women/9zketx0lk
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Really hope they fix up NDIS.
System is utterly F'd and it's dire in my department.
Most of them are stuck in the hospital system for 6-12 months with nowhere safe to live. A hospital FFS. People are supposed to leave within days to weeks it's not crisis accomodation!
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Interesting response MT and I liked how you used science a lot to make your point about people in urban areas being less religious and more progressive.
Simply based on the data from the ABS 2016 census. These wealthy urban areas have an above average non-religious population compared to the average national and respective state percentage.
No Religion %:
Fed. Electorate State Australia
Wentworth 33.0 NSW 25.1 29.6
North Sydney 36.7 NSW 25.1 29.6
Kooyong 36.6 VIC 31.7 29.6
Goldstein 34.8 VIC 31.7 29.6
https://www.abs.gov.au/census/find-census-data/search-by-area
In regards to biological science, how many genders are there?
Short answer is sex, gender and sexual orientation aren't the same thing and there is a spectrum of genders.
Long answer:
Biological sex relates to genetics/chromosomes: In Humans that's Female (XX), Male (XY) & Intersex (other combinations). Animals can have more via a mixture (eg: snails are hermaphrodites)
Gender on the other hand is more complex than that. Depends also on other factors including your brain morphology (how your brain was wired while in the womb). A "male" brain and a "female" brain are different and develop independently from the sex organs.
Sex Hormones and Gender Role Relate to Gray Matter Volumes in Sexually Dimorphic Brain Areas
Belinda Pletzer1,2,*
Front Neurosci. 2019; 13: 592.
In adults, larger regional [grey matter] volumes in males compared to females are consistently reported in subcortical areas, including the hippocampus, amygdala, basal ganglia and nucleus accumbens, in parts of the parahippocampal gyrus, in the cerebellum and the posterior cingulate cortex (PCC). Larger regional volumes in females compared to males are consistently reported in frontal areas, including the anterior cingulate cortex (ACC).
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Accordingly, most measures assessing masculinity and femininity include personality dimensions, like expressivity on the femininity scale and assertiveness on the masculinity scale (e.g., Eagly and Koenig, 2006). It is thus possible, that a person’s perception of how masculine or feminine they are, depends in part on their brain morphology and chemistry. A recent fMRI study has assessed brain activation in men and women during the processing of gender-related attributes (Hornung et al., 2019), as are used to assess gender role (Gruber et al., in press). They found stronger activation for gender-congruent attributes in the amygdala and putamen (Hornung et al., 2019).
Sexual differentiation of the human brain in relation to gender identity and sexual orientation
Ivanka Savic 1, Alicia Garcia-Falgueras, Dick F Swaab
Prog Brain Res. 2010;186:41-62
It is believed that during the intrauterine period the fetal brain develops in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. According to this concept, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation should be programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in transsexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21094885/
A review of the status of brain structure research in transsexualism.
Guillamon, A., Junque, C., & Gómez-Gil, E. (2016).
Archives of Sexual Behavior, 45(7), 1615–1648.
The present review focuses on the brain structure of male-to-female (MtF) and female-to-male (FtM) homosexual transsexuals before and after cross-sex hormone treatment as shown by in vivo neuroimaging techniques. Cortical thickness and diffusion tensor imaging studies suggest that the brain of MtFs presents complex mixtures of masculine, feminine, and demasculinized regions, while FtMs show feminine, masculine, and defeminized regions. Consequently, the specific brain phenotypes proposed for MtFs and FtMs differ from those of both heterosexual males and females. These phenotypes have theoretical implications for brain intersexuality, asymmetry, and body perception in transsexuals as well as for Blanchard’s hypothesis on sexual orientation in homosexual MtFs. Falling within the aegis of the neurohormonal theory of sex differences, we hypothesize that cortical differences between homosexual MtFs and FtMs and male and female controls are due to differently timed cortical thinning in different regions for each group. Cross-sex hormone studies have reported marked effects of the treatment on MtF and FtM brains.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-28018-001
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And I'll finish with a little anecdote from long ago.
I met a transgender person for the first time by coincidence when I was 8 years old (1981). My late Mum would take me into the city to do some shopping once a fortnight and our last port of call was always McEwans (forerunner to Bunnings) in Bourke St between Elizabeth and Queen Sts. If it was around lunch time then we would pop into McDonalds across the road before going to McEwans. Back then the Maccas was a large ground floor area for seating with a couple of extra tables & booths on the first floor.
Prior to this day we had always got a table on the ground floor but this day it was packed and so Mum said we'll have to try upstairs. As we're climbing the stairs, I look up and see a 'guy' in a dress (8 year old mind remember) sitting at a 4-panel table in one of the yellow metal swing seats. Now it wasn't him wearing a dress that I thought was weird at the time but that he was wearing his grandmother's old clothes from the 1920s. A long black dress with old fashioned lace and that went down to his ankles with a slip.
The next thing that grabbed my attention was these three teenagers (two girls and a boy around 14 years old) sitting across from him in a booth calling him every name under the sun: p******, f*****, queer, etc. Worst still they were chucking their food at him including taking out the pickles from their hamburgers and piffing it at him. My Mum seeing this told me to wait at the top of the stairs while she walked over and placed her tray of food on the 4-panel table opposite side of the transgender person acting as a human shield. She then turned around and faced the teens.
Now my late Mum was barely 5-foot tall but when she got going she could peel paint off the walls like a footy coach. And boy did she let these three little pricks have it. "You've got nothing better to do than pick on someone else" .... "You pack of cowards three against one" .... "What a disgrace throwing and wasting food. There's starving kids in Africa you know!" Anyway long story short the teens left their mess and left in a huff walking past me down the stairs and out of the store.
So Mum walks back to the table and sits down and calls me over to sit next to her. Next thing Mum asks the transgender person about his life and all. He tells us ever since he was young he felt he was a girl trapped in a boy's body and now he wanted to make the change. He had only just begun hormonal treatment and was waiting to get the op. which was at a minimum a year away. Hence the long old dress to cover up his body all the way down to the ankles. By the time the chat was over we had finished our lunch and left first. Mum wished him best wishes with it all and as we got walked down the stairs and out of ear shot Mum gave me the old lesson: "You don't truly know someone until you walk in their shoes".
To this day this remains in my mind the most bravest and proudest moment of my late Mum :thumbsup.
For the record, meeting a transgender person at an early age didn't make question who I was. I can remember knowing I was a boring old straight male since I was six when I pestered a girl in my class to have a photo together with me. The Western Suburbs makes you grow up fast ;D.
ps. Oh I forgot one thing to tell you about my Mum ........................................ She was a Christian. A real one! A heart full of kindness and understanding; not one of judgement and hate. Do unto others whatever you would have them do to you.
pps. I've got my own commandment for the faux religious out there who try to dress up their archaic social and political views as "faith". If you want to believe there's some omnipotent creator of all things out there called "God" then you don't get the right to ignorantly and arrogantly tell this "God" how he did things :whistle.
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The Reserve Bank has lifted official interest rates for the second time in as many months while consumer confidence fell amid cost-of-living concerns.
RBA governor Philip Lowe announced a 0.5 percentage point increase in the cash rate to 0.85 per cent following the board’s June meeting on Tuesday afternoon.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/reserve-bank-lifts-interest-rates-for-second-time-in-two-months-20220607-p5arlo.html
Back to pre-pandemic levels.
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It's all Dictator Dan's fault.
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Almost 4 weeks since the election. How do we think the new government is going?
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One term less four weeks to go before they get the arse
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One term less four weeks to go before they get the arse
:snidegrin :snidegrin :snidegrin
Love it
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he is going well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4zfmNE2Wc
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Senate results finalised by the AEC:
LNP 32
ALP 26
GRN 12
ON 2
JLN 2
UAP 1
IND 1
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https://twitter.com/AusElectoralCom
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Almost 4 weeks since the election. How do we think the new government is going?
Parliament doesn't resume until the end of July so still early days for the new government in its honeymoon period. Mending bridges with allies and pacific nations and so far dealing with the energy crisis thanks to a decade or so of inaction and climate change denialism. Got a lot of challenges especially over the next 12-18 months to deal with and correct.
We're at the moment still witnessing the fallout and true scale of the utter mess the incompetent Morrison LNP government left the country in :thumbsdown.
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Off to a great start. :lol
https://www.theage.com.au/
Then he promises a pay rise for everyone, only to back track as he hasn’t got a clue about simple economics..
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/the-week-wage-rises-crashed-into-reality-20220623-p5aw30
I look forward to how he plans to deal with the now law stage 3 tax cuts that the LNP gave us all. His bum chums greens buddys are not happy and want it gone.
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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/the-week-wage-rises-crashed-into-reality-20220623-p5aw30 (https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/the-week-wage-rises-crashed-into-reality-20220623-p5aw30)
I look forward to how he plans to deal with the now law stage 3 tax cuts that the LNP gave us all. His bum chums greens buddys are not happy and want it gone.
FJ, do you think these tax cuts should go ahead?
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Any comments from the dan fan club? Didn’t think so.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CgJo_4avvYH/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Why link to cooker Andrew "waaaaah" Bogut? All he does most days is yell at the clouds and sook on social media for attention :sleep.
Anyway, happy to see those who are corrupt weeded out. Today's report was into old allegations. It's why the federal branch of the ALP took over the Victorian branch in 2020. The whole political system and all parties (not just the majors) should be audited before ICAC across the country. Hello previous federal government. Hello certain crossbench senator who agreed to a law change based on her birthdate so she financially gained. Look at NSW still. That's why the country needs a federal ICAC and stricter and clearer uniform laws (as opposed to just "rules" open to interpretation).
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https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-news-live-labor-to-introduce-signature-climate-bill-to-parliament-covid-cases-grow-across-the-nation-20220726-p5b4t4.html
Here’s the statement in full:
Senator Hanson considers that ‘acknowledgement of country’ perpetuates racial division in Australia. Like many non-Indigenous Australians, Senator Hanson considers this country belongs to her as much as it does belong to any other Australian, Indigenous or otherwise.
From this point forward, Senator Hanson will refuse to acknowledge country in the Senate. Senator Hanson does not accept that acknowledgement of country is any sort of Indigenous Australian tradition, given that at most it has only been in use for the past 25 years (and in parliament only 12 years).
Senator Hanson will also oppose a motion in the Senate today for the Aboriginal flag to be displayed in the Senate. Senator Hanson considers that only one flag, the Australian national flag, truly represents all Australians.
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For my part I do not know why I have to hear this acknowledgement many times a day, at my kids school, in online meetings with external companies, on airplanes etc etc
It feels like a constant apology doing the groundhog day loop
Maybe we could just do a yearly day of acknowledgement and cut all the bombardment multiple times a day
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I don't do the acknowledgement when I chair a meeting. Has got so old it just feels fake, like asking how someone is when you dgaf.
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I don't do the acknowledgement when I chair a meeting. Has got so old it just feels fake, like asking how someone is when you dgaf.
How are you Andyy?
:lol :lol :lol
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I don't do the acknowledgement when I chair a meeting. Has got so old it just feels fake, like asking how someone is when you dgaf.
How are you Andyy?
:lol :lol :lol
Yeah good thanks, yourself?
:snidegrin
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I don't do the acknowledgement when I chair a meeting. Has got so old it just feels fake, like asking how someone is when you dgaf.
How are you Andyy?
:lol :lol :lol
Yeah good thanks, yourself?
:snidegrin
:lol :lol :lol
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https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-news-live-labor-to-introduce-signature-climate-bill-to-parliament-covid-cases-grow-across-the-nation-20220726-p5b4t4.html
Here’s the statement in full:
Senator Hanson considers that ‘acknowledgement of country’ perpetuates racial division in Australia. Like many non-Indigenous Australians, Senator Hanson considers this country belongs to her as much as it does belong to any other Australian, Indigenous or otherwise.
From this point forward, Senator Hanson will refuse to acknowledge country in the Senate. Senator Hanson does not accept that acknowledgement of country is any sort of Indigenous Australian tradition, given that at most it has only been in use for the past 25 years (and in parliament only 12 years).
Senator Hanson will also oppose a motion in the Senate today for the Aboriginal flag to be displayed in the Senate. Senator Hanson considers that only one flag, the Australian national flag, truly represents all Australians.
The acknowledgement to country has been around for a decade. Hanson would've been in parliament for a thousand of these yet only now she had a hissy fit.
No surprise Hanson the ignorant moron doesn't know the Aboriginal and Torres Strait flags are official flags of Australia. The national flag stands or flies to the left (most prominent), followed by any state flags (if required), and then the Aboriginal and Torres Strait flags are next. Our military flags are also official flags of Australia by the way. It's been that way for decades.
https://www.pmc.gov.au/resource-centre/government/australian-flags-booklet/part-3/flags-australias-indigenous-peoples
Poor little diddums Hanson no longer holds the balance of power in the Senate and decided to have an attention seeking tantrum because she is now irrelevant. The day she is no longer around in public life with her sooky la la hateful bile will be a great day for Australia.
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The acknowledgement to country has been around for a decade.
Well I am well and truly sick of hearing it multiple times per day for the last decade
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The acknowledgement to country has been around for a decade.
Well I am well and truly sick of hearing it multiple times per day for the last decade
Sorry MT, but I’m with Chuck here.
It’s not how long it’s been around, it’s how often it’s said these days. You can’t compare 10 years ago with what’s happening today … today it’s constant
Gotta laugh in a room of six businessmen and the acknowledgment takes place .. not a single percent of aboriginal blood amongst them .. therefore the relevance is zero
I understand showing respect , but I think it’s gone over the top
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I don't do the acknowledgement when I chair a meeting. Has got so old it just feels fake, like asking how someone is when you dgaf.
:lol :lol :lol So true.
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No surprise Hanson the ignorant moron doesn't know the Aboriginal and Torres Strait flags are official flags of Australia. The national flag stands or flies to the left (most prominent), followed by any state flags (if required), and then the Aboriginal and Torres Strait flags are next. Our military flags are also official flags of Australia by the way. It's been that way for decades.
https://www.pmc.gov.au/resource-centre/government/australian-flags-booklet/part-3/flags-australias-indigenous-peoples
You forgot to mention the most important flag in Australia today
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The acknowledgement to country has been around for a decade.
Well I am well and truly sick of hearing it multiple times per day for the last decade
Sorry MT, but I’m with Chuck here.
It’s not how long it’s been around, it’s how often it’s said these days. You can’t compare 10 years ago with what’s happening today … today it’s constant
Gotta laugh in a room of six businessmen and the acknowledgment takes place .. not a single percent of aboriginal blood amongst them .. therefore the relevance is zero
I understand showing respect , but I think it’s gone over the top
It could be argued that that kind of attitude in bold is the reason why we have it and still need it reinforced. If you are an Australian then the complete history of this land is relevant to you regardless of your ethnicity.
The 'not my ethnicity' excuse doesn't wash either given the majority of Aussies aren't poms yet we still have a pom as our head of state, the pom's flag in the canton of our flag, and we have our national day as the day the poms arrived (Jan 26, 1788) rather than the actual anniversary of the birth of our nation (Jan 1, 1901). Do these businessmen laugh at needing to celebrate Australia Day on the wrong historical date? Something tells me they don't. However, see the howls of outrage from the same types who mock Indigenous acknowledgment if anyone dares say we should replace any of these now irrelevant foreign things :shh with actual relevant Aussie ones :whistle.
I'm not ethnically Indigenous nor Anglo. This is about acknowledging the full and correct history of this land which didn't begin in 1788 as some still falsely want to (make) believe. British colonialism is just one part of this land's history. While it has some significance, it is neither the beginning, the present, nor the main part to who and what Australia is now. It's just one part in the long history of this land and its people. We should strongly acknowledge all parts of our history from indigenous history all the way through to becoming and being proudly and fully independently Australian as a modern nation. Problem is we either still don't in terms of the latter or if we try to regarding the former there's always the usual cultural cringers opposing or sooking about it :sleep.
A lot of the basic Australian "history" we were taught as kids was BS and I'm not just talking about the nonsense that Cook "discovered" Australia or "our nation began in 1788". We have been fed crap as so-called "history" to diminish anything that were uniquely Australian achievements that had nothing to do with Britain. Nah, let's not be proud that beginning with the fallout that followed the Eureka stockade, everyday Australians ("white" at least) were one of the first on Earth to have actual democracy: full adult male suffrage, full adult female suffrage (after NZ), the secret ballot, the 8-hour working day, plus a democratic bicameral parliament. None of these were inherited from the UK. We took the plutocratic Westminster system at the time from Britain and made it democratic here. Then most of these Aussie democratic innovations were exported/adopted by other nations around the world including the UK. That's something as Australians to be proud of. The days of being told "you little Aussies have no history and no culture and are insignificant to world history" be it indigenous or non-indigenous are gone! We desperately need more real actual Australian history promoted and taught to overcome the rubbish that lazily still gets sprouted [hello ignorant morons like Pauline Hanson ::)]. If that annoys certain folk then so be it!
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No surprise Hanson the ignorant moron doesn't know the Aboriginal and Torres Strait flags are official flags of Australia. The national flag stands or flies to the left (most prominent), followed by any state flags (if required), and then the Aboriginal and Torres Strait flags are next. Our military flags are also official flags of Australia by the way. It's been that way for decades.
https://www.pmc.gov.au/resource-centre/government/australian-flags-booklet/part-3/flags-australias-indigenous-peoples
You forgot to mention the most important flag in Australia today
(https://www.outinperth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Rainbow_flags.jpg)
Oh no a rainbow flag lol. Btw, that pic is from 2017 and that's the Canberra city side of the Commonwealth Ave Bridge. Some of us have been to Canberra you know. They fly all sorts of banners and flags from those poles along the median strip depending on what day it is or what local festival is on that week. Much better than in the 90s when the centre of Canberra was dead outside work hours :help. Back then they only had fireworks and weed (both legal there as it's a territory) to entertain themselves at night lol.
ps. seems someone is an avid reader of outinperth.com ;) :snidegrin.
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The acknowledgement to country has been around for a decade.
Well I am well and truly sick of hearing it multiple times per day for the last decade
Sorry MT, but I’m with Chuck here.
It’s not how long it’s been around, it’s how often it’s said these days. You can’t compare 10 years ago with what’s happening today … today it’s constant
Gotta laugh in a room of six businessmen and the acknowledgment takes place .. not a single percent of aboriginal blood amongst them .. therefore the relevance is zero
I understand showing respect , but I think it’s gone over the top
It could be argued that that kind of attitude in bold is the reason why we have it and still need it reinforced. If you are an Australian then the complete history of this land is relevant to you regardless of your ethnicity.
Don’t think you understand what I mean ..
In a room of 6 white businessman , where the acknowledgment happens, the relevance is zero
BECAUSE
There is nobody in the room to appreciate or receive the acknowledgment
THUS
Irrelevant
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The acknowledgement to country has been around for a decade.
Well I am well and truly sick of hearing it multiple times per day for the last decade
Sorry MT, but I’m with Chuck here.
It’s not how long it’s been around, it’s how often it’s said these days. You can’t compare 10 years ago with what’s happening today … today it’s constant
Gotta laugh in a room of six businessmen and the acknowledgment takes place .. not a single percent of aboriginal blood amongst them .. therefore the relevance is zero
I understand showing respect , but I think it’s gone over the top
It could be argued that that kind of attitude in bold is the reason why we have it and still need it reinforced. If you are an Australian then the complete history of this land is relevant to you regardless of your ethnicity.
Don’t think you understand what I mean ..
In a room of 6 white businessman , where the acknowledgment happens, the relevance is zero
BECAUSE
There is nobody in the room to appreciate or receive the acknowledgment
THUS
Irrelevant
Yep.
Couldnt give a flying stuff, aka irrelevent. The exception to this was when my late Gen y lecturer brought it up and i mentioned to her the importance of it be taught in a non relevant course, and how glad i was for her for alerting it to us, along with the LGBTQ movement that was "close to her heart"
Its all very important if you ask me. :lol
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The acknowledgement to country has been around for a decade.
Well I am well and truly sick of hearing it multiple times per day for the last decade
Sorry MT, but I’m with Chuck here.
It’s not how long it’s been around, it’s how often it’s said these days. You can’t compare 10 years ago with what’s happening today … today it’s constant
Gotta laugh in a room of six businessmen and the acknowledgment takes place .. not a single percent of aboriginal blood amongst them .. therefore the relevance is zero
I understand showing respect , but I think it’s gone over the top
It could be argued that that kind of attitude in bold is the reason why we have it and still need it reinforced. If you are an Australian then the complete history of this land is relevant to you regardless of your ethnicity.
Don’t think you understand what I mean ..
In a room of 6 white businessman , where the acknowledgment happens, the relevance is zero
BECAUSE
There is nobody in the room to appreciate or receive the acknowledgment
THUS
Irrelevant
The acknowledgement to country isn't for and to acknowledge any indigenous people that may be present. It's for everyone to acknowledge people existed here before 1788 and particularly the local indigenous people/tribe/clan (called nation) that has existed and is still culturally connected to the land the meeting/gathering is held on. It's a recognition statement not an address to somebody.
On the forum, we praise our past and present club champions without them being present or them reading it and posting here. It's a recognition of our history and culture.
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No surprise Hanson the ignorant moron doesn't know the Aboriginal and Torres Strait flags are official flags of Australia. The national flag stands or flies to the left (most prominent), followed by any state flags (if required), and then the Aboriginal and Torres Strait flags are next. Our military flags are also official flags of Australia by the way. It's been that way for decades.
https://www.pmc.gov.au/resource-centre/government/australian-flags-booklet/part-3/flags-australias-indigenous-peoples
You forgot to mention the most important flag in Australia today
(https://www.outinperth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Rainbow_flags.jpg)
Oh no a rainbow flag lol. Btw, that pic is from 2017 and that's the Canberra city side of the Commonwealth Ave Bridge. Some of us have been to Canberra you know. They fly all sorts of banners and flags from those poles along the median strip depending on what day it is or what local festival is on that week. Much better than in the 90s when the centre of Canberra was dead outside work hours :help. Back then they only had fireworks and weed (both legal there as it's a territory) to entertain themselves at night lol.
ps. seems someone is an avid reader of outinperth.com ;) :snidegrin.
:lol :rollin I have no idea what that is. Is it bad? :help I was just looking for a photo to post of rainbow flags. :rollin. It’s a gay site isn’t it :facepalm
My point was to emphasise the most important flag in vogue today.
Serves me right. :shh :lol :wallywink :rollin
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Well it looks like we dodged a bullet by getting rid of ScoMo. :lol
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Couldn't think of anything of less interest to the current needs of Australian people than how many portfolios Scomo was sniffing about
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As someone voting for neither I can say, IMO, Albo may be a slightly better person but he sure as poo will be a far worse leader. He is clueless
AT, do you still think Albo is clueless?
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Couldn't think of anything of less interest to the current needs of Australian people than how many portfolios Scomo was sniffing about
"It matters because protecting our democracy matters."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-16/morrison-secret-ministries-need-answers/101337716
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Couldn't think of anything of less interest to the current needs of Australian people than how many portfolios Scomo was sniffing about
[size=2]"It matters because protecting our democracy matters."
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-16/morrison-secret-ministries-need-answers/101337716
:lol :lol :lol
you must not have lived in Victoria.
Couldn't think of anything of less interest to the current needs of Australian people than how many portfolios Scomo was sniffing about
Amen. He has left and was voted out cause he did nothing to reverse the cost of living and rate crisis. Thank god that is sorted now as it barely gets a mention. :lol
Though corruption is corruption if that is what this is. One gets caught and others....
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Pales into significance compared to putting armed guards on our state borders
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As someone voting for neither I can say, IMO, Albo may be a slightly better person but he sure as poo will be a far worse leader. He is clueless
AT, do you still think Albo is clueless?
Early days, 65. Got to give him time to be fair. Overall though yes, I don't have a lot of confidence in him to say the least.
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Pales into significance compared to putting armed guards on our state borders
Dictator Dan looking like he will get another 4 years in government.
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Pales into significance compared to putting armed guards on our state borders
or this. No big deal.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/doctors-fear-hospital-holding-areas-will-make-overcrowding-worse-20220816-p5ba4w.html
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Lots of ways to reduce over-crowding, most of which are unpalatable to anyone including those who complain repeatedly.
For example - stop bulk billing ED presentations unless someone is admitted to the hospital or at least referred to a specialist. This will prevent people using ED's like GP clinics for basic needs like scripts, medical certificates, minor ailments like uncomplicated UTI's and ingrown nails, cut fingers etc.
But then the last thing you want to do is actually deny people access to care.
The other thing to do is try to send people home as quickly as possible, which is what the ED has done with this poor lady who I can only empathise with. Bottom line here is she is 83, has had a 'clinical stroke' (ie diagnosed based on clear presenting symptoms, not with computed tomography or other radiological imaging) and her potential to recover and rehabilitate when she's already living in a nursing home is virtually nil. Hospitals have healthcare workers in them, not miracle workers. Admission to a hospital will provide minimal benefit because the ceiling of care or intervention is so low - you can't or wouldn't ethically do neurosurgery on her, you won't do CPR if she becomes unresponsive because her chance of meaningful survival is less than 1%, in fact if she deteriorates the best thing for her would be to go painlessly and quickly - this is always preferable at home where people are familiar with staff/family and more comfortable, not in foreign environments with strangers. Nursing homes have staff trained to do this and all hospitals have community services that can assist in the process at home.
Like I said, all unpalatable solutions.
The hospital system has been broken since I walked into it in 2009 and not a single state or federal government has managed to do anything to fix it. It constantly runs at or above 100% capacity so the potential for 'surge workload' is non-existent. Hospitals cost billions to build, hundreds of millions to extend, and training for even the most basic staff takes two years but at least 4-6 for most disciplines.
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EDIT: on that sour note, my best advice to anyone over 65 is:
1) Have an enduring power of attorney arrangement organised with an appropriate lawyer. Not just financial, medical etc. Go enduring
2) See your GP about arranging an Advanced Care Plan in case something horrible happens to you, like the above stroke
3) Make sure your GP and close family/friends are aware of the above and how to access the relevant documentation
These are the best ways to preserve your dignity when you can't think, speak or act for yourself anymore :(
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EDIT: on that sour note, my best advice to anyone over 65 is:
1) Have an enduring power of attorney arrangement organised with an appropriate lawyer. Not just financial, medical etc. Go enduring
2) See your GP about arranging an Advanced Care Plan in case something horrible happens to you, like the above stroke
3) Make sure your GP and close family/friends are aware of the above and how to access the relevant documentation
These are the best ways to preserve your dignity when you can't think, speak or act for yourself anymore :(
:thumbsup smart mate and not just for the under 65. Also dont pay a lawyer thousands when you can do it yourself.
Updated mine online recently for $100.
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EDIT: on that sour note, my best advice to anyone over 65 is:
1) Have an enduring power of attorney arrangement organised with an appropriate lawyer. Not just financial, medical etc. Go enduring
2) See your GP about arranging an Advanced Care Plan in case something horrible happens to you, like the above stroke
3) Make sure your GP and close family/friends are aware of the above and how to access the relevant documentation
These are the best ways to preserve your dignity when you can't think, speak or act for yourself anymore :(
:thumbsup smart mate and not just for the under 65. Also dont pay a lawyer thousands when you can do it yourself.
Updated mine online recently for $100.
I would mostly consider a lawyer so that if there's a dispute after your EPOA is activated they would have the required training and assessment capabilities to confirm that you were of sound decision-making capacity when the EPOA was made.
Makes it harder for nasty pasties to challenge your wishes after that fact on the grounds that you may have been cognitively impaired.
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EDIT: on that sour note, my best advice to anyone over 65 is:
1) Have an enduring power of attorney arrangement organised with an appropriate lawyer. Not just financial, medical etc. Go enduring
2) See your GP about arranging an Advanced Care Plan in case something horrible happens to you, like the above stroke
3) Make sure your GP and close family/friends are aware of the above and how to access the relevant documentation
These are the best ways to preserve your dignity when you can't think, speak or act for yourself anymore :(
:thumbsup smart mate and not just for the under 65. Also dont pay a lawyer thousands when you can do it yourself.
Updated mine online recently for $100.
I would mostly consider a lawyer so that if there's a dispute after your EPOA is activated they would have the required training and assessment capabilities to confirm that you were of sound decision-making capacity when the EPOA was made.
Makes it harder for nasty pasties to challenge your wishes after that fact on the grounds that you may have been cognitively impaired.
the guys i used to update come with a free sesh with a lawyer online, or via phone.
With the exception of Benny Gale and Stephen Jurica, I wouldn't pay them one cent but that's me.
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Scott Morrison appointed himself to 5 extra ministries.
As far as I can see there are only two possible reasons he did this.
1. He thought he was the only one that could run the government.
2. It was grab for power that bordered on treason.
Take your pick. Either way the Libs/Nats allowed him to do this.
Albo can almost be guaranteed another 2 terms as PM.
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No one actually cares though. Your average Australian just wants to be able to pay their rent and power bill, they don't give a stuff what Scomo was doing.
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No one actually cares though. Your average Australian just wants to be able to pay their rent and power bill, they don't give a stuff what Scomo was doing.
You need to speak for yourself not for all Australians average or not.
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You need to get a grip on reality and start caring about issues that actually matter, champ
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Yeah, no one cares about the most senior political positions in the country being appointed in secret by the PM to himself in cohorts with the GG that even the cabinet and especially the ministers themselves didn't know about it. Not surprised by Morrison's behaviour as he's a known lying fraud and his media conference the other day was a trainwreck claiming he didn't want to make Joshy and co. feel insecure by telling them :lol. However, the GG's position should be untenable now. Once Morrison didn't make public his initial ministerial appointments in March 2022, why did the GG allow Morrison even more secret appointments later on? Every appointment also requires the GG to inform the Queen so how much did the monarch know about this if at all?
All up this just destroys any notion the current "constitutional monarchy" is a "safe" system. Just another reason why we should have our own head of state rather than a useless foreign monarchy.
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Proud to say I read the first 3 words of your post, realised it would be a bunch of poo as usual and then stopped reading
Once again, what does crapping on about it do for the real problems people are facing in our country right now?
Have a good night MT
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Inflations getting out of control, interest rates going up, supermarket staples going through the roof, poverty is going to spike in Australia. Feel really sorry for pensioners, the disabled who cant get jobs, those people will get left behind in these cost of living price increases.
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Inflations getting out of control, interest rates going up, supermarket staples going through the roof, poverty is going to spike in Australia. Feel really sorry for pensioners, the disabled who cant get jobs, those people will get left behind in these cost of living price increases.
:lol :lol :rollin
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You need to get a grip on reality and start caring about issues that actually matter, champ
why bother mate. 65 sits on a rocking chair and i have my doubts he even goes for the tigers. Laughable how we are supposed to care about another lying politician that has cost us nothing from a financial or social aspect, unlike many other examples.
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Well said. Probably time to put him on the ignore list but some of his ramblings and ABC links are hilarious
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Proud to say I read the first 3 words of your post, realised it would be a bunch of poo as usual and then stopped reading
Once again, what does crapping on about it do for the real problems people are facing in our country right now?
Have a good night MT
What is "poo" is anyone believing real problems can be solved via poor governance and abusing democratic constitutional conventions. That doesn't even stack up at footy clubs (hello Essendon :snidegrin ) let alone within national governments. Rather "real problems" often occur via such abuse.
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nothing on the state of our health system though in these threads. :shh
Andy would have some stories and i have a personal story, yet we are supposed to give a stuff about a lying EX politician that has affected no one except MT, 65 and a bunch of other leftys. You blokes make me laugh.
i see that albanese is organising enquiries all over the place. The latest on Botox. Is he going to do one on the state governments handling of covid :shh :shh perhaps after the Botox Enquiry when everyone has forgot. What a fool.
https://www.theage.com.au/
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nothing on the state of our health system though in these threads. :shh
Andy would have some stories and i have a personal story, yet we are supposed to give a stuff about a lying EX politician that has affected no one except MT, 65 and a bunch of other leftys. You blokes make me laugh.
i see that albanese is organising enquiries all over the place. The latest on Botox. Is he going to do one on the state governments handling of covid :shh :shh perhaps after the Botox Enquiry when everyone has forgot. What a fool.
https://www.theage.com.au/
Oh I have loads of stories.
Fact is that the labor government is spending more money on health than Davis ever did and I have seen that first hand, including my wage increase of 10% a few years ago to bring Vic nurses up to national standard, the new ICU at my hospital and the proposed redevelopment as well which will include new operating theatres and a new ward.
Our pay raises have always come under labor. Under the Libs we were repeatedly taking 2.5%/year, below inflation, as a sacrifice to protect our nurse:patient ratios - which Dan Andrews had thankfully enshrined in legislation now so they are off the negotiation table every time our EBA is up. For those of you that don't know it, nurse:patient ratios are clearly linked by evidence to mortality and morbidity rates. The libs did nothing but rip off public workers and threaten to endanger patients, so we took crappy 'pay rises' to protect society. The 10% raise I got a few years ago only covered the prior decade of sub-inflation increases that made my wage drop in value every year.
Health system has been stuffed for years, nay decades, and only the labor party seems to ever spend any money on it.
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nothing on the state of our health system though in these threads. :shh
Andy would have some stories and i have a personal story, yet we are supposed to give a stuff about a lying EX politician that has affected no one except MT, 65 and a bunch of other leftys. You blokes make me laugh.
i see that albanese is organising enquiries all over the place. The latest on Botox. Is he going to do one on the state governments handling of covid :shh :shh perhaps after the Botox Enquiry when everyone has forgot. What a fool.
https://www.theage.com.au/
Oh I have loads of stories.
Fact is that the labor government is spending more money on health than Davis ever did and I have seen that first hand, including my wage increase of 10% a few years ago to bring Vic nurses up to national standard, the new ICU at my hospital and the proposed redevelopment as well which will include new operating theatres and a new ward.
Our pay raises have always come under labor. Under the Libs we were repeatedly taking 2.5%/year, below inflation, as a sacrifice to protect our nurse:patient ratios - which Dan Andrews had thankfully enshrined in legislation now so they are off the negotiation table every time our EBA is up. For those of you that don't know it, nurse:patient ratios are clearly linked by evidence to mortality and morbidity rates. The libs did nothing but rip off public workers and threaten to endanger patients, so we took crappy 'pay rises' to protect society. The 10% raise I got a few years ago only covered the prior decade of sub-inflation increases that made my wage drop in value every year.
Health system has been stuffed for years, nay decades, and only the labor party seems to ever spend any money on it.
who is Davis mate? Never heard of him/her. If it’s Katherine Davies, i've def heard of her. Fantastic sort.
That sucks mate though your wages are not what i am talking about. Many industries suffer due to incompetence. How about small businesses?
Facts are this. Andrews has been in power for how many years, as has the libs federally and so why is the system so broken all the time? Who pays your wages over the last 20 years? Is it soley scomos fault there are hospital beds in make shift tents outside hospitals? Why are the waiting lists so long that people are dying without care.
Lastly, and most importantly why isn't there a royal commission into the handling of covid especially from Victoria?
These issues are more important than Scomo and his 5 portfolios , or botox surgery. That is my point. Where is the outcry for the health sector/small businesses. Where is the Royal Commission?
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I think Andy was talking about David Davis, opposition Treasurer in Victoria. Think he might have held the Health portfolio under the Napthine state government
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I think Andy was talking about David Davis, opposition Treasurer in Victoria. Think he might have held the Health portfolio under the Napthine state government
The dud that was in for 2 years? Surely there is another Davies as I never heard of this one. Zero relevance.
Tell you what the fool albonese could do alongside a Rc into the states handling of covid, lodge one into the NDIS program. Reckon you will find some things that no one wants to see.
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who is Davis mate? Never heard of him/her. If it’s Katherine Davies, i've def heard of her. Fantastic sort.
That sucks mate though your wages are not what i am talking about. Many industries suffer due to incompetence. How about small businesses?
Facts are this. Andrews has been in power for how many years, as has the libs federally and so why is the system so broken all the time? Who pays your wages over the last 20 years? Is it soley scomos fault there are hospital beds in make shift tents outside hospitals? Why are the waiting lists so long that people are dying without care.
Lastly, and most importantly why isn't there a royal commission into the handling of covid especially from Victoria?
These issues are more important than Scomo and his 5 portfolios , or botox surgery. That is my point. Where is the outcry for the health sector/small businesses. Where is the Royal Commission?
Minister for health for 4 years I think it was. I know he was the minister during our last dirty EBA negotiations with industrial action. Piece of crap he was. Nothing but cuts cuts cuts to the health industry.
As for Andrews, not saying he is perfect, but you asked about the health industry and I am just stating that first hand he has moved mountains for the health industry compared to the previous state liberal government and I have given you a few tangible examples of the increased funding, evidence-based safety legislation and developments he has directly overseen to support that point. You are welcome to come and see them - in fact I'm even happy to give you a tour of what the Andrews government has delivered.
I've never said Scomo has anything to do with the tents personally. Those tents were erected to increase the capacity of our emergency departments but have actually seen minimal use. Yes, you'll see the odd article by someone who was treated in there and complained, but from my own experience, including brief periods acting as the associate program director responsible for the emergency department at my hospital in the eastern suburbs, they have seen limited if not completely negligible use - there simply isn't enough staff to manage them and our ED's are currently operating sometimes with just over half of the mandated nurse:patient ratios I discussed in my previous post. This is not isolated to my organisation. People have simply tapped out - retired, reduced their hours, moved further out or gone to cushier jobs in the wake of the pandemic. And I don't blame them. It's been on my own mind for a long time now.
Regarding the royal commission, I don't mind if there is one myself. There were some very questionable decisions made. Despite this what I would have liked to see is some FEDERAL leadership on the pandemic. Scomo basically washed his hands and left it to the states to manage as they saw fit, then criticised labor state governments for outbreaks whilst funnelling disproportionate amounts of vaccines to liberal states.
I've said before the health sector usually runs at or above 100% capacity in 'normal circumstances' but this appears to be our new normal and I don't see it improving for YEARS. I've been keeping an eye out for jobs that at least pay close to what I'm earning now and aren't in the industry but unfortunately I've gone just high enough up the public ladder for it to be a significant financial loss to leave and we have 4 kids at home :(
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Latest NewsPoll has the Federal Govt 57 to 43 on two party preferred.
Is Dutton a dead man walking?
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Dutton hasn’t put a foot wrong in fact he’s done well but so has Albo .. so it’s a nil all draw
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Word is Josh Frydenberg is looking for a seat to re-enter politics.
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ScoMo has a new job.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/work/scott-morrison-joins-global-speaking-group-for-postprime-ministership-engagements/news-story/de7856695b6ed47ce0c8b7ecae703aff
The former PM’s bio on the WWSG website describes him as “the true definition of a leader with a 360-degree worldview”.
“During his tenure, Morrison was tasked with several difficulties that required unique and innovative solutions,” it reads.
“From managing the public safety of Australians during the pandemic to mitigating an economic crisis, controlling natural disasters, and leading the country while others were at war — Prime Minister Morrison led Australia with his particular brand of calm decisiveness and rationale. A globalisation mastermind, Morrison lends his boundless influence and experience to audiences around the world.”
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Boring.
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well this is a surprise. I see the greens are up to no good. Not that any of the leftys here would bring it up, because apparently only scomo is corrupt and this goes against that perception . :shh :shh
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The media headlines seemed more interested in mentioning Dusty ::) because it was his uncle rather than the issue being that Thorpe had a relationship with a former outlaw bikie gang president (who he is related to is irrelevant) while she sat on a parliamentary law enforcement committee. The media keep using Dusty's name as clickbait even when the story has nothing to do with him and they wonder why he doesn't want anything to do with them.
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well this is a surprise. I see the greens are up to no good. Not that any of the leftys here would bring it up, because apparently only scomo is corrupt and this goes against that perception .
The Federal Corruption body will no doubt prove that ScoMo was not alone in being corrupt.
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well this is a surprise. I see the greens are up to no good. Not that any of the leftys here would bring it up, because apparently only scomo is corrupt and this goes against that perception . :shh :shh
I don't normally agree with Mr Dutton but totally agree with him about Thorpe
She is not fit to be in parliament. She wasn't before but even less so now.
Incredibly weak by Brandt and their party not sacking her or booting her out of their party.
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Interesting.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/dutton-to-avoid-victoria-as-guy-and-colleagues-scrub-liberal-branding-20221024-p5bs95.html
Federal Liberal leader Peter Dutton will avoid the Victorian election campaign, as state Opposition Leader Matthew Guy and some senior colleagues scrub Liberal branding from campaign material.
A Victorian Liberal source, speaking anonymously to detail private thinking, said Dutton would not be appearing with Guy before the November ballot in which the Coalition trails in published polls.
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Interesting.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/dutton-to-avoid-victoria-as-guy-and-colleagues-scrub-liberal-branding-20221024-p5bs95.html
Federal Liberal leader Peter Dutton will avoid the Victorian election campaign, as state Opposition Leader Matthew Guy and some senior colleagues scrub Liberal branding from campaign material.
A Victorian Liberal source, speaking anonymously to detail private thinking, said Dutton would not be appearing with Guy before the November ballot in which the Coalition trails in published polls.
Yeah, I got one of their brandless pamphlets in my junk mail. Funny the Libs are ashamed of their own party but according to the VEC's twitter account it's technically legal provided there's an authorisation name and address on it. As for Dutton - he is political poison in Victoria.
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Here come the cracks.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ben-fordham-fires-up-over-chalmers-275-power-bills-stumble/news-story/0e5677b575785c4fcdfc78c60fac9e72
This was a guy who blamed scomo for the rate rises (before it was a thing) l cost of living crisis (when it was supply and Ukraine’s fault) , debt and anything else. Now he stumbles through simple questions, and the cost of living is now “world wide problems)
Can’t believe he calls himself a doctor. Him/He would be more appropriate.
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Pardon?
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/ibac-chief-wanted-andrews-corruption-probe-to-be-heard-in-public-20221111-p5bxk3.html
Imagine it was scomo. Hang on it was and you lot were wetting your beds. To think the Sydney chic operates under different rules than Victoria.
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What are the Libs hiding?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorians-liberals-use-legal-loophole-to-stall-donation-investigations-20221115-p5byb7.html
The Liberal Party has used a legal loophole to stall a probe into leader Matthew Guy and his former chief of staff, the outcome of which Victorians will not learn until after the state election.
Two sources familiar with the party’s legal approach, speaking anonymously because the investigation is confidential, said lawyers had requested a review into orders of Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC) investigators, causing the investigation to drag out by months.
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Integrity issues on all sides of politics
Who would have thought. :rollin
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Well I've voted. Learnt that sprinting into the local hall helps avoid having HTV cards shoved in your face lol.
ps. And for the record I voted below the line in the upper house where you determine your own preferences.
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What are the Libs hiding?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorians-liberals-use-legal-loophole-to-stall-donation-investigations-20221115-p5byb7.html
The Liberal Party has used a legal loophole to stall a probe into leader Matthew Guy and his former chief of staff, the outcome of which Victorians will not learn until after the state election.
Two sources familiar with the party’s legal approach, speaking anonymously because the investigation is confidential, said lawyers had requested a review into orders of Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC) investigators, causing the investigation to drag out by months.
No one cares 65. Andrew’s will win, but it has nothing to do with this useless story about something that never happened. It has however got to do with the what happened 4 years ago.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/2022-victorian-election-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-claims-to-have-totally-complied-amid-possible-ibac-probe/news-story/8b50d5a7b242283e4e586bf3dbcfe144?amp
On integrity how are the 5 enquiries going cause clearly you lefties don’t rate integrity as that much of an issue.
Let me know your thoughts on integrity after you watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY64Ah_KKlM
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FJ.
You are quoting Sky News and Peta Credlin. A couple of totally unbiased sources. (not)
Try again.
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So Frankie are you one of the few thousand who watched Peta Credlin's totally unbiased not fact checked "special investigation"?
No, I didn't watch it. She is a person who admitted to using dodgy, dirty tactics which amounted to lying on the carbon tax all those years ago to get Tony elected. She is also the same person who today has written in the HUN that ScoMo is not to blame for anything that happened during the pandemic everything was the fault of the State Premiers
She has very little credibility on the subject of integrity.
But with regard to all these IBAC enquiries, unlike you I will await the final reports, which are written after it gives people the right to rebuttal rather than leaked initial findings. Initial finding reports that are issued to give people the right to respond. Thwt is what the Murdoch media has printed.
I would hope people are as concerned with how things got leaked as much as about the content of the leaked info. System is stuffed if thiings are being leaked, clear integrity issue.
Now once the final reports are released, the final ones then if any politician no matter who they are should resigned or be sacked. If that is the Premier, the Oppo Leader or the person who cleans the tiolets then so be it. But it can only happen once the final reports are released.
Now I know that won't be enough for you but that's my view
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Well I've voted. Learnt that sprinting into the local hall helps avoid having HTV cards shoved in your face lol.
ps. And for the record I voted below the line in the upper house where you determine your own preferences.
Voted today.
For the first time ever, actually had 2 of the candidates giving out HTV cards.
One of the candidates should be well known to Tiger supporters seeing he stood for the RFC board a few years back = Dr Joe Garra. Dr Garra was there today
Did the same with the upper house and voted below the line.
Didn't realise there was a party standing in the upper house called "Sack Dan Andrews Restore Democracy Party"
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Well I've voted. Learnt that sprinting into the local hall helps avoid having HTV cards shoved in your face lol.
ps. And for the record I voted below the line in the upper house where you determine your own preferences.
Voted today.
For the first time ever, actually had 2 of the candidates giving out HTV cards.
One of the candidates should be well known to Tiger supporters seeing he stood for the RFC board a few years back = Dr Joe Garra. Dr Garra was there today
Did the same with the upper house and voted below the line.
Didn't realise there was a party standing in the upper house called "Sack Dan Andrews Restore Democracy Party"
Apparently, set up by that "preference whisperer".
https://www.6newsau.com/post/glenn-druery-reveals-the-sack-dan-andrews-party-is-one-of-mine-in-a-leaked-video
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I don't think we will have a change of Govt on Saturday
But....
I wouldn't be at all surprised if we have a change in Premier :snidegrin
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This is the most bizarrely covered election I can remember. Will be glad when it's over.
It wouldn't be unusual for the premier to change in the third term. Hamer, Cain jnr & Bracks all left sometime into their third term. The only Victorian premier to contest 4 elections in a row was Bolte (ended up winning six in a row) but that was mainly due to the ALP/DLP split. Having said that if Labor wins on Saturday then I think Andrews will want to stick around until the Metro tunnel is completed (2025). If Guy wins then it's a moot point.
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Can't see Guy winning
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I was implying that it is a distinct possibility that the Premier may lose his seat.
It does happen :eyebrow
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I was implying that it is a distinct possibility that the Premier may lose his seat.
It does happen :eyebrow
True it's possible as it's not the typical safe Labor seat. It would be a first though. Not only for Victoria (at least since WW1) but also the first Labor premier/PM.
https://antonygreen.com.au/the-gurgle-hole-of-history-leaders-whove-lost-their-seats-at-elections/
Labor premiers/PMs either just lose elections (sometimes badly) or lose via the ALP splitting into two. If Labor loses Mulgrave then I would say they lose government.
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Night before Newspoll:
Primary vote, 25/11/2022:
ALP 38
LNP 35
GRN 12
OTH: 15
Two-party preferred:
ALP 54.5
L-NP 45.5
That would give Labor a majority if the actual election matches those figures.
The alternative Redbridge pollsters on the ABC tonight however are predicting a minority Labor govt (a loss of 12 seats) with up to 12 crossbenchers (6-7 Greens).
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Night before Newspoll:
Primary vote, 25/11/2022:
ALP 38
LNP 35
GRN 12
OTH: 15
Two-party preferred:
ALP 54.5
L-NP 45.5
That would give Labor a majority if the actual election matches those figures.
The alternative Redbridge pollsters on the ABC tonight however are predicting a minority Labor govt (a loss of 12 seats) with up to 12 crossbenchers (6-7 Greens).
No doubt Labor will lose seats, a case of how many obviously
But the striking thing to me is the loss of seats are not showing as gains to the coalition. Traditionally one of the major parties lose a seat the opposing major picks it up. Not happening these days. Especially around the LNP
They really do need to revitalise that party. Get some new blood and work out what it is exactly the stand for.
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I actually don’t know what any of them stand for and to be honest don’t believe any of their utterances
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Night before Newspoll:
Primary vote, 25/11/2022:
ALP 38
LNP 35
GRN 12
OTH: 15
Two-party preferred:
ALP 54.5
L-NP 45.5
That would give Labor a majority if the actual election matches those figures.
The alternative Redbridge pollsters on the ABC tonight however are predicting a minority Labor govt (a loss of 12 seats) with up to 12 crossbenchers (6-7 Greens).
No doubt Labor will lose seats, a case of how many obviously
But the striking thing to me is the loss of seats are not showing as gains to the coalition. Traditionally one of the major parties lose a sit the opposing major picks it up. Not happening these days. Especially around the LNP
They really do need to revitalise that party. Get some new blood and work out what it is exactly the stand for.
The LNP pandered to the Boomers which worked while the Boomers were the predominant voting bloc. This often came at the expense of the interests of younger voters. Now that the demographics have changed, and Millennials now make up 36% of the voting population, it's payback time for this younger generation. Those under 40 mostly don't vote conservative. If they don't vote for Labor then they vote for the Greens, Teals or Independents. Add the Libs, especially in Victoria, being hijacked by the hardcore religious fringe is a turn off as well in an increasingly more secular society. Australia is not America (thank goodness!). It's a reason why the Libs are now losing seats in their old affluent heartland areas.
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So far exactly what I expected.
Libs won't win based on their character assassination campaign, pee weak lack of integrity and with that absolute jerk leading the party.
And I'm glad the majority can see it.
Crisis averted.
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I was implying that it is a distinct possibility that the Premier may lose his seat.
It does happen :eyebrow
Time to put my hand up
I got this wrong. Easily won his seat
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Good old Dictator Dan does it again. 😁
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Current results (ABC):
Lower house: ALP 49, LNP 24, GRN 4 with 11 seats still in doubt.
Upper house: ALP 15, LNP 14, GRN 4, Cannabis 2, AJP 1, SFF 1, Reason 1, DLP 1, PHON 1.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic/2022/results?filter=all&sort=az
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Good old Dictator Dan does it again. 😁
The North Korean people are shaking their heads in bewilderment…..
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The pic of the election night coverage :lol.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fiet2ghacAEhwrS?format=jpg&name=900x900)
If there's one thing to come out of this election result, it is that it is a clear message from the Victorian public to the media cabal that it is the people who decide who governs Victoria and not these loudmouth attention-seeking crybabies.
By the way, whoever's idea at Vic Lib HQ it is to continually oppose building railways should be shown the door. That's three straight election thumpings thanks to that idiotic stance (Metro tunnel in 2014, Skyrail in 2018 & SRL in 2022).
The North Korean people are shaking their heads in bewilderment…..
... at Kim Jong Un only getting 76 votes in Mulgrave? ;) Back home he'd get 100% of the 'vote'.
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The pic of the election night coverage :lol.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fiet2ghacAEhwrS?format=jpg&name=900x900)
If there's one thing to come out of this election result, it is that it is a clear message from the Victorian public to the media cabal that it is the people who decide who governs Victoria and not these loudmouth attention-seeking crybabies.
By the way, whoever's idea at Vic Lib HQ it is to continually oppose building railways should be shown the door. That's three straight election thumpings thanks to that idiotic stance (Metro tunnel in 2014, Skyrail in 2018 & SRL in 2022).
As always eleqontly put. Well said MT.
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And therein lies the message for media outlets who ditch election coverage for election campaigning: voters aren't listening to you.”
https://twitter.com/ABCmediawatch/status/1597163774837809152
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Has the media ever gotten an election this wrong before?
The other major theme across the board was the desperate attempts to drum up a narrative that the election was going to be close, despite pretty consistent evidence it wouldn’t be. The possibility of a minority government was brought up constantly, as well as the theory that among the slew of seats the government was in danger of losing was Andrews’ own of Mulgrave. As psephologist Kevin Bonham points out, this is hardly the first time that pearl-clutching at the thought of a hung parliament has proven way off the mark.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/has-the-media-ever-gotten-an-election-this-wrong-before/ar-AA14Cw0P?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=da64ea645fd5466c814d00557f262e76
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How about Morrison today blaming everyone else for not knowing about his secret ministerial appointments ::).
Well done to Bridget Archer by the way. Well said too.
"It is an affront to our democratic Westminster system which has functioned for well over 120 years. This House has the right to be informed of the appointments. The people of Australia had the right to be informed," she says.
"In our democracy, what can be more fundamental than this?
"I do not accept any of the explanations put forward by the former prime minister for the actions and I'm deeply disappointed for the lack of apology or more importantly, the lack of understanding of the impact of the decisions."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-30/live-updates-scott-morrison-censure-secret-ministries/101714536
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Anybody think Morrison is planning another leadership run?
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Anybody think Morrison is planning another leadership run?
He's still living in a world of denial, so he may think he could come back at some stage. However, I'd doubt the Libs would want him back as their leader as he is political poison.
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Something very wrong with the justice system when a rape case is simply dismissed because the victim is too mentally traumatised to go through a retrial.
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Alleged victim
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The new Victorian Liberal and opposition leader is John Pesutto.
https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1600647086902366208
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Im sure she will do $ pretty well out of it
So might he by the sound of it
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Biggest losers will be the Australian public who will have to hear about this circus non stop
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Current results (ABC):
Lower house: ALP 49, LNP 24, GRN 4 with 11 seats still in doubt.
Upper house: ALP 15, LNP 14, GRN 4, Cannabis 2, AJP 1, SFF 1, Reason 1, DLP 1, PHON 1.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic/2022/results?filter=all&sort=az
The Lower house will finish with ALP 56, LNP 28, GRN 4 .... assuming the delayed Narracan election remains with the Nats. So, Labor actually gained a seat at this election :o.
The Upper house may end up with 8 different parties and 11 members all up on the crossbench.
Currently:
Govt: ALP 15
Opp: LNP 14
Crossbench: Legalise Cannabis 3, Greens 2, Lib Dems 1, DLP (Somyurek) 1, One Nation 1, Animal Justice 1, Shooters 1, Transport Matters 1.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic/2022/guide/lc-results
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Here we go, always happy to fork out to a good cause
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/brittany-higgins-has-reached-a-confidential-settlement-with-the-commonwealth/6l5nxxhjj
Above is funded by taxpayers
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Feel like the party should be paying for this seriously
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Current results (ABC):
Lower house: ALP 49, LNP 24, GRN 4 with 11 seats still in doubt.
Upper house: ALP 15, LNP 14, GRN 4, Cannabis 2, AJP 1, SFF 1, Reason 1, DLP 1, PHON 1.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic/2022/results?filter=all&sort=az
The Lower house will finish with ALP 56, LNP 28, GRN 4 .... assuming the delayed Narracan election remains with the Nats. So, Labor actually gained a seat at this election :o.
Finalised Victorian Upper House results.
ALP 15
LNP 14
Greens 4
Legalise Cannabis 2
Liberal Democrats 1
Animal Justice 1
Shooters, Fishers & Farmers 1
DLP 1
One Nation 1
Per Region:
Eastern Victoria - 2 Labor, 1 Liberal, 1 National, 1 SFF. No change on 2018 party composition.
North-Eastern Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Green. Green gain at the expense of the Transport Matters Party.
Northern Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 1 Liberal, 1 Green, 1 DLP. DLP gain from Fiona Patten's Reason Party.
Northern Victoria - 1 Labor, Liberal, 1 National, 1 One Nation, 1 Animal Justice. The Nationals, One Nation and Animal Justice gain seats, Labor, the Liberal Democrats and Derryn Hinch's Justice Party lose seats.
South-Eastern Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 1 Liberal, 1 Liberal Democrat, 1 Legalise Cannabis. Labor loses a seat to Legalise Canabis.
Southern Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Greens. Green gain at the expense of Sustainable Australia.
Western Metropolitan - 2 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Legalise Cannabis. Labor lose one seat and Derryn Hinch's Justice Party turned Independent turned Angry Victorian Catherine Cumming defeated. Legalise Cannabis and Liberals gain a seat.
Western Victoria - 2 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Green. Liberals and Greens gain seats at the expense of Animal Justice and Derryn Hinch's Justice Party.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic/2022/guide/lc-results
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Senator Lidia Thorpe has quit the Greens and will sit on the crossbench.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/lidia-thorpe-to-quit-greens-over-voice-disagreement/101935534
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/dutton-risks-being-blamed-if-the-voice-fails-or-deemed-irrelevant-if-it-succeeds-20230301-p5coep.html
Almost a year since the election, there are few signs that it (the Libs) has recognised or accepted that it has to change if it is to have any hope of regaining its heartland.
That is not only obvious in the approach Peter Dutton has taken on the Voice but on other critical issues. The Voice is the Liberals’ chance to show they can set aside culture wars and make a constructive contribution to the establishment of a body to address an intractable problem, given little else has worked so far to improve the lot of Indigenous Australians, or to make amends for the wrongs they have suffered.
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Liberals should grow some balls and go back to who they're meant to be, a bunch of rich arseholes yet able to manage the economy and make some common sense decisions. And take a stand against the Voice
Who wants 2 ALPs
Vote independent my friends
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Liberals should grow some balls and go back to who they're meant to be, a bunch of rich arseholes yet able to manage the economy and make some common sense decisions. And take a stand against the Voice
Who wants 2 ALPs
Vote independent my friends
Far too much jocularity on this site ATM.
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Labor has won the NSW state election. So that's ALP governments right across the mainland.
NSW ALP may end up with just a majority (47+ seats): ALP 47, LNP 28, IND 7, GRN 3. There's 8 seats in doubt.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/nsw/2023/results?filter=all&sort=az
Credit to both Minns and Perrottet for their gracious and dignified speeches. Each genuinely paid tribute to each other for how they behaved towards each other during the election campaign. Unusual for politics these days.
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DantheMan Going to China :rollin
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/daniel-andrews-itinerary-released-amid-criticism-over-secretive-china-trip/ci19x4o8p
Wonder if DantheMan will visit Australian journalist Cheng Lei in prison or advocate for the Uyghurs and the forced sterilisation of Uyghur women?
https://uhrp.org/statement/uhrp-welcomes-uyghur-survivors-to-the-us-to-give-first-hand-testimony/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/10/uk/eu-investigate-sanction-visiting-xinjiang-official
https://rsf.org/en/china-rsf-calls-release-three-foreign-journalists-accused-espionage
https://rsf.org/en/china-rsf-urges-release-ailling-investigative-journalist-huang-xueqin-detained-over-500-days
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
What about the LGBTQI community?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-27/how-lgbtq-life-in-china-has-gotten-tougher-under-xi-quicktake
I don’t know, was there was good reason the Morrison government tore up the last Victorian/CCP agreement?
Should we celebrate our state going into business with an evil communist government and it’s dictator who is bosom buddies with Putin?
Is Albernese going to step in and stop DantheMan too? :laugh:
But thankfully DantheMan was very very upset and vocal about Andrew Thornburn :clapping :clapping :clapping
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/04/victorian-premier-andrews-slams-absolutely-appalling-views-of-new-essendon/
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Peter Dutton, dead man walking.
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Word is that Josh Frydenberg is looking for a safe seat to contest in a by-election.
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DantheMan Going to China :rollin
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/daniel-andrews-itinerary-released-amid-criticism-over-secretive-china-trip/ci19x4o8p
Wonder if DantheMan will visit Australian journalist Cheng Lei in prison or advocate for the Uyghurs and the forced sterilisation of Uyghur women?
https://uhrp.org/statement/uhrp-welcomes-uyghur-survivors-to-the-us-to-give-first-hand-testimony/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/10/uk/eu-investigate-sanction-visiting-xinjiang-official
https://rsf.org/en/china-rsf-calls-release-three-foreign-journalists-accused-espionage
https://rsf.org/en/china-rsf-urges-release-ailling-investigative-journalist-huang-xueqin-detained-over-500-days
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
What about the LGBTQI community?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-27/how-lgbtq-life-in-china-has-gotten-tougher-under-xi-quicktake
I don’t know, was there was good reason the Morrison government tore up the last Victorian/CCP agreement?
Should we celebrate our state going into business with an evil communist government and it’s dictator who is bosom buddies with Putin?
Is Albernese going to step in and stop DantheMan too? :laugh:
But thankfully DantheMan was very very upset and vocal about Andrew Thornburn :clapping :clapping :clapping
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/04/victorian-premier-andrews-slams-absolutely-appalling-views-of-new-essendon/
Il save you the time mate, you wont get a reply as it doesnt suit the left brigde.
different rules apply just like when this chalmers said this a year ago and many agreed. Those many have disappeared like a fart in the wind, and now its back to blaming ukraine, energy supplies, putin etc
https://twitter.com/JEChalmers/status/1519541552011309059
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Heard two rumours about Scott Morrison.
One saying he is about to retire and the other that he is going to challenge Dutton for the Liberal leadership.
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Heard he is going to be a lollipop man at my local school
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Heard he is going to be a lollipop man at my local school
Actually pays ok lmao
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Heard he is going to be a lollipop man at my local school
Actually pays ok lmao
Yeh would have to be an easy job too as long as you dont get any of the little stuffers run over
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Heard he is going to be a lollipop man at my local school
Actually pays ok lmao
Yeh would have to be an easy job too as long as you dont get any of the little stuffers run over
Or do a Joffa on them, yep.
Good retirement gig IMO haha
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Dutton's just killed the Liberal party.
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Peter Dutton’s bid to tank the Indigenous voice is breath-taking – and locks him in as Abbott 2.0
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2023/apr/05/peter-duttons-bid-to-tank-the-indigenous-voice-is-breathtaking-and-locks-him-in-as-abbott-20
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If he’s Abbott 2.0 then we should congratulate him on his future as prime minister
Great call to oppose the voice
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I've always voted left, sometimes independent locally, but am also not sure about the voice.
Maybe I don't know enough about it tbh, but I think our government needs to be elected on competence not ethnicity/heritage.
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If he’s Abbott 2.0 then we should congratulate him on his future as prime minister
Great call to oppose the voice
Have to agree here, glad someone has taken a stand against meaningless grand gestures
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Maybe I don't know enough about it tbh, but I think our government needs to be elected on competence not ethnicity/heritage.
Sorry Andyy, not sure what you mean here? Governments will continue to be elected as they are now. My research on the Voice to Parliament shows this will not change
And as an aside, I'm not entirely sure right now competentence is a prerequisite for our pollies.
I think the Voice to Parliament is a very interesting topic, I'm very interested in people's view whether they are in favour or against
And AT I think Dutton's chance of becoming Prime Minsiter are as likely as you or 1965 becoming PM ;D
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I reckon you're right WP but I also reckon I'd get more votes than 65 would... ;D
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If he’s Abbott 2.0 then we should congratulate him on his future as prime minister
Great call to oppose the voice
Have to agree here, glad someone has taken a stand against meaningless grand gestures
FFS even you can see it :banghead
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I reckon you're right WP but I also reckon I'd get more votes than 65 would... ;D
:rollin :lol
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Former Indigenous Australians minister Ken Wyatt ends Liberal Party membership over Voice to Parliament stance.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/ken-wyatt-quits-liberals-over-voice-to-parliament-stance/102197862
Dutton playing cheap political games is working out well :wallywink.
Good to see not all want to belong to Voldemort and his dementors :shh.
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Maybe I don't know enough about it tbh, but I think our government needs to be elected on competence not ethnicity/heritage.
Sorry Andyy, not sure what you mean here? Governments will continue to be elected as they are now. My research on the Voice to Parliament shows this will not change
And as an aside, I'm not entirely sure right now competentence is a prerequisite for our pollies.
I think the Voice to Parliament is a very interesting topic, I'm very interested in people's view whether they are in favour or against
And AT I think Dutton's chance of becoming Prime Minsiter are as likely as you or 1965 becoming PM ;D
Similar to recognition of country, I just think it's a bit of a meaningless gesture in the long run.
Not saying we have great pollies either.
Just think we should be aiming to have the most competent people in the relevant roles - which would hopefully then include voluntary consultation with indigenous groups instead of a bill like this.
Similar to how Canada introduced legislation about pronouns. No need for legislation, just common sense and respect.
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Please read this with an open mind.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/07/peter-dutton-and-the-voice-what-the-liberal-party-has-got-wrong-about-indigenous-recognition (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/07/peter-dutton-and-the-voice-what-the-liberal-party-has-got-wrong-about-indigenous-recognition)
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I didn't read it
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Former Tasmanian premier's frank advice to Liberal Party on Voice opposition.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-07/peter-gutwein-frank-advice-to-liberal-party-on-voice-opposition-/102196090
More rejection of Dutton from Tassie Libs. During covid, Gutwein always came across as a decent sensible bloke when he was premier, and he retained government as a result unlike the mainland LNP.
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I didn't read it
cbf
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Looks like another test for Mr Potato Head is coming up.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/speculation-grows-over-morrison-future-in-cook-as-liberal-senate-battles-loom-20230330-p5cwt6.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/speculation-grows-over-morrison-future-in-cook-as-liberal-senate-battles-loom-20230330-p5cwt6.html)
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https://www.aap.com.au/news/senior-liberal-quits-front-bench-over-voice-stance/
Another one quits on Dinosaur Dutton :lol.
Looks like another test for Mr Potato Head is coming up.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/speculation-grows-over-morrison-future-in-cook-as-liberal-senate-battles-loom-20230330-p5cwt6.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/speculation-grows-over-morrison-future-in-cook-as-liberal-senate-battles-loom-20230330-p5cwt6.html)
Even with the mess they are in, it would be a major shock if they were to lose Cook. It's not like Aston or your typical suburbia. The Shire is a place unto itself.
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What is becoming apparent to me is the intolerance for someone who doesn't agree with the voice, if you don't agree with it you are either labelled a racist or out of touch.
It is like the Australian public are being shamed into a yes vote.
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What is becoming apparent to me is the intolerance for someone who doesn't agree with the voice, if you don't agree with it you are either labelled a racist or out of touch.
It is like the Australian public are being shamed into a yes vote.
What I don't like is the lies/untruths coming out of Dutton's mouth.
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Dutton's dog act.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/13/report-it-to-police-aboriginal-territorians-react-angrily-to-peter-duttons-claims-of-alice-springs-violence
‘Dog act’: NT police minister reacts angrily to Peter Dutton’s claims of Alice Springs child sexual abuse.
Traditional owners call opposition leader’s claims ‘insulting’ and Labor demands he stop using the town as ‘a political football’
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Truth hurts I suppose.
Yay for inbred pedos
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"Leftwit OER poster not being a pedo apologist scumbag because their dumbarse ideology is more important than anything" challenge: Impossible :shh
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"Leftwit OER poster not being a pedo apologist scumbag because their dumbarse ideology is more important than anything" challenge: Impossible :shh
Welcome back mate
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"Leftwit OER poster not being a pedo apologist scumbag because their dumbarse ideology is more important than anything" challenge: Impossible :shh
The return... :shh :shh
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Another dodgy Liberal.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/stuart-robert-linked-contracts-need-closer-scrutiny-as-department-links-revealed-inquiry-20230414-p5d0f5.html
A series of multi-million dollar contracts linked to a friend of former Morrison government minister Stuart Robert will come under fresh scrutiny as new revelations emerge about a senior public servant allegedly involved in some of the contracts.
The contracts in question were signed with the National Disability Insurance Agency (NDIA) and Services Australia and were linked to a consulting company, Synergy 360, part-owned by two friends of Robert, who was then in charge of the portfolio.
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"Leftwit OER poster not being a pedo apologist scumbag because their dumbarse ideology is more important than anything" challenge: Impossible :shh
:bow
One of the few posters who have a clue especially on this topic.
Welcome back
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Oh dear.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-liberal-party-faces-electoral-wipeout-new-analysis-warns/news-story/65254b50e3969e13905e06a16b7aeab4
The Victorian Liberal Party faces the prospect of electoral wipe-out, a new analysis of its state election loss has warned.
The analysis, by polling firm Redbridge, shows that while the party is losing ground in its traditional heartland it is also failing to attract voters that are leaving Labor.
It comes as the latest Newspoll showed the nation’s mortgage-belt heartland had shifted its political allegiances to the ALP.
The Redbridge analysis found that 900,000 of the 1.2 million primary votes the Coalition picked up at November’s state election were made up of voters who were over 55 years old, non diverse, and less educated.
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Oh dear.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-liberal-party-faces-electoral-wipeout-new-analysis-warns/news-story/65254b50e3969e13905e06a16b7aeab4 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-liberal-party-faces-electoral-wipeout-new-analysis-warns/news-story/65254b50e3969e13905e06a16b7aeab4)
The Victorian Liberal Party faces the prospect of electoral wipe-out, a new analysis of its state election loss has warned.
The analysis, by polling firm Redbridge, shows that while the party is losing ground in its traditional heartland it is also failing to attract voters that are leaving Labor.
It comes as the latest Newspoll showed the nation’s mortgage-belt heartland had shifted its political allegiances to the ALP.
The Redbridge analysis found that 900,000 of the 1.2 million primary votes the Coalition picked up at November’s state election were made up of voters who were over 55 years old, non diverse, and less educated.
Thought this was interesting as well.
"Less than 10 per cent of Gen Z voters backed the Liberal Party.
By 2026, around 60,000 to 70,000 Coalition voters would have passed away, with an additional 400,000 new voters enrolled, with estimates more than half would be Gen Z."
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Just in case anybody was wondering. The next Victorian state election is on Sat Nov 28 2026.
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Just in case anybody was wondering. The next Victorian state election is on Sat Nov 28 2026.
Yeah
Was lying in bed sweating in a panic about this
Thank goodness I can now sleep at night
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Dutton's voter approval hits record low.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-voter-approval-hits-record-low-as-he-pushes-no-vote-on-voice-20230417-p5d11k.html
Labor has surged ahead of the Coalition in core political support by lifting its primary vote from 39 to 42 per cent over the past month, widening the gap between the two major parties after weeks of dispute on the cost of living and the Indigenous Voice.
The Coalition has suffered a fall in its primary vote from 30 to 28 per cent in an exclusive survey that shows it has lost ground on key verdicts from voters on leadership, competence and vision for the country.
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Where are the left apologists now? Not corruption if it’s in Victoria…
https://amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/crooked-integrity-experts-slam-andrews-for-downplaying-ibac-report-20230420-p5d21z.html
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Where are the left apologists now? Not corruption if it’s in Victoria…
https://amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/crooked-integrity-experts-slam-andrews-for-downplaying-ibac-report-20230420-p5d21z.html
IMHO, he should resign
Even though the report doesn't call it corruption but unethical it still is wrong and as leader buck stops with him
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Where are the left apologists now? Not corruption if it’s in Victoria…
https://amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/crooked-integrity-experts-slam-andrews-for-downplaying-ibac-report-20230420-p5d21z.html (https://amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/crooked-integrity-experts-slam-andrews-for-downplaying-ibac-report-20230420-p5d21z.html)
IMHO, he should resign
Even though the report doesn't call it corruption but unethical it still is wrong and as leader buck stops with him
He won't resign. The only way to get rid of him is to vote him out. Next chance is in 3 1/2 years.
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I am starting to wonder if Dutton just wants to keep his current job and is not interested in becoming PM?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-liberal-party-is-dying-and-dutton-can-t-even-diagnose-the-disease-20230420-p5d1yk.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-liberal-party-is-dying-and-dutton-can-t-even-diagnose-the-disease-20230420-p5d1yk.html)
The Liberal Party is dying and Dutton can’t even diagnose the disease.
The Liberal Party’s decision to say No to the Voice turned out to be about much more. It turned out to be a big signal to voters about the character of the Liberal Party itself. And they didn’t like it.
This was captured in the Resolve Strategic poll this week. It was bad for the Liberals and it was devastating for Peter Dutton. The overall result showed Labor increasing its lead over the Coalition on every key measure. But the poll was less about Labor triumph than Liberal failure. As the pollster, Jim Reed summarised it: “The change does not so much represent a second honeymoon for Labor as it does a trial separation for moderate voters from the Liberals, and they’re taking the kids with them.”
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Where are the left apologists now? Not corruption if it’s in Victoria…
https://amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/crooked-integrity-experts-slam-andrews-for-downplaying-ibac-report-20230420-p5d21z.html
IMHO, he should resign
Even though the report doesn't :shh call it corruption but unethical it still is wrong and as leader buck stops with him
At least someone has a clue on here.
Hopefully you can explain this to me. How can a bloke resign over a bottle of wine in one state, and nothing for Andrew’s. How do the states panels differ? I think it’s should be a rule that applies to all of them. That nsw lady and mikados gone for what?
Andrew’s is a narcissist who won’t ever resign as he wants to be the longest alp leader on record. Fact.
The money he spent to boast up sectors like health was all crooked money, and the next leader will have to pay for the amount of debt that’s here and coming.
Debt is only a problem if it’s not in Victoria. :shh :shh
You only have to look at comments on here, when it was a federal issue under scomo that proves that.
Debt in Victoria is barely spoken about which means we must have a lot of dole bludgers on this site who contribute very little in taxes to society. As long as those who pay taxes fix the mess it’s all good. :banghead
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DanTheMan is very upset that Victorian’s are suffering with interest rate hikes
https://amp.9news.com.au/article/8988fda5-7390-47ce-b37a-5074cdcab256
Does anyone think he will lower state taxes now?
Victorians pay more state taxes than the rest of Australia and the stamp duty is the highest in the country.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10510204
https://www.yourmortgage.com.au/mortgage-news/victorian-buyers-paying-highest-stamp-duty-in-country
Will he help?
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DanTheMan is very upset that Victorian’s are suffering with interest rate hikes
https://amp.9news.com.au/article/8988fda5-7390-47ce-b37a-5074cdcab256
Does anyone think he will lower state taxes now?
Victorians pay more state taxes than the rest of Australia and the stamp duty is the highest in the country.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10510204
https://www.yourmortgage.com.au/mortgage-news/victorian-buyers-paying-highest-stamp-duty-in-country
Will he help?
you wont get a reply from the cheerleaders. Gone missing since his latest corruption probe.
dont kid yourself, his latest stunt is a deflection from the incompetence of the alp. Lowe is the scapegoat. How many people listened to his advice? I dont know anyone.
1 year later what has changed Chalmers you flog? Apart from the migrants they are letting in to pay for the debt, but hey that will help reduce inflation now wont it. :lol :lol
https://twitter.com/i/status/1519541129384919040
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Dan Andrews is coming up to 10 years as Premier and will probably be Premier for another 10 years if he wants it.
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The Victorian Liberals are continuing to self-destruct.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/terrorists-victorian-liberals-slam-mps-leaking-against-john-pesutto-20230504-p5d5iu.html
Two Liberal MPs have declared there are “terrorists” in the Victorian parliamentary party room trying to undermine John Pesutto’s leadership.
Speaking to reporters on Thursday morning, Brighton MP James Newbury said there were three or four “terrorists” who would rather bring down Pesutto than hold Premier Daniel Andrews to account.
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Dan Andrews is coming up to 10 years as Premier and will probably be Premier for another 10 years if he wants it.
So you think he’s doing a good job?
Any opinions on his latest trip to China & his silence on the atrocities of the communist regime or Victorians paying the highest taxes in the country?
Or can you only provide opinions of the useless and inept liberal party?
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Even Rita Panahi and the Herald-Sun see it.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/rita-panahi-the-biggest-winner-in-this-entire-shemozzle-is-the-victorian-labor-party/news-story/1f3f2fce6a411559eafaa5605de66d0e
To make one female colleague cry may be considered a misfortune, to reduce two to tears may mean your name is John Pesutto.
The hapless Liberal leader has made failure an art form during his short reign and now stands accused of bullying two first-term female MPs, one of whom is taking legal action against him.
If Pesutto had any sense, honour or even just a modicum of political nous he’d step down now before he inflicts further damage on a party that has for too long been an unelectable rabble.
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Dan Andrews is coming up to 10 years as Premier and will probably be Premier for another 10 years if he wants it.
So you think he’s doing a good job?
Any opinions on his latest trip to China & his silence on the atrocities of the communist regime or Victorians paying the highest taxes in the country?
Or can you only provide opinions of the useless and inept liberal party?
also how about his odd looking wife hitting a cyclist then driving off the scene with a smashed windscreen as the kids were "crying"
Thats a great story.
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Even Mr Potato-Head is getting involved.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/i-want-this-mess-sorted-out-dutton-refuses-to-rule-out-intervening-in-victorian-liberal-party-20230505-p5d5tq.html
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has refused to rule out federal intervention in the Victorian Liberal Party crisis, brought on by MP Moira Deeming’s plan to sue Victorian Opposition Leader John Pesutto over her nine-month suspension from the parliamentary party.
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Even Mr Potato-Head is getting involved.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/i-want-this-mess-sorted-out-dutton-refuses-to-rule-out-intervening-in-victorian-liberal-party-20230505-p5d5tq.html
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has refused to rule out federal intervention in the Victorian Liberal Party crisis, brought on by MP Moira Deeming’s plan to sue Victorian Opposition Leader John Pesutto over her nine-month suspension from the parliamentary party.
Yes yes Dutton is a knob and the liberal party are irrelevant now. Tell us something we don’t already know. Last I noticed we don’t actually have a Liberal leader or government in power in the whole country.
What are your thoughts on our actual premier and what I previously asked you?
Will you answer the questions or just continue to remind us on how useless the liberal party is?
What are your opinions on his silence regarding human rights atrocities in China and the fact they still have our journalists in custody without trial, the plight of Uyghurs and the draconian treatment of a communist regime on its own people?
Have you got any opinions?
Do any of you Labor sycophants think he is consistent in his views?
You like that our premier will increase our taxes?
Can you observe or have an opinion without offering comparison analysis of other government politicians to prove all politicians are corrupt?
How about focusing some of your energy on what you don’t like about our current leaders both federal and state? Is everything they do only great? If yes, then why?
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Tigeritis,
Tasmania has the only Liberal government in Australia
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Another byelection test for Mr Potato Head.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/06/stuart-robert-former-minister-and-ally-of-scott-morrison-to-retire-sparking-byelection (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/06/stuart-robert-former-minister-and-ally-of-scott-morrison-to-retire-sparking-byelection)
Stuart Robert: former minister and ally of Scott Morrison to retire, sparking byelection.
Robert’s retirement means a second byelection test for Peter Dutton’s opposition, this time in the Queensland seat of Fadden.
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Hmmm.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/he-is-a-dead-man-walking-pressure-mounts-on-pesutto-despite-belief-deeming-will-be-expelled-20230508-p5d6p1.html
Mundine, also the Labor Party’s former national president, told The Age Pesutto was a “fool” for letting the issue drag on for six weeks, particularly when Victorians needed a strong opposition.
“He is a dead man walking, no matter what happens,” he said. “They are arguing about minutes [of a meeting]. There are bigger things and that’s the Victorian people.
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Tigeritis,
Tasmania has the only Liberal government in Australia
Yes forgot Tassie. :cheers
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The federal government is forecasting a small budget surplus of about $4 billion this financial year, the first in 15 years.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/federal-budget-to-forecast-first-surplus-in-15-years/102319604
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Liberal senators could be in serious trouble?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/police-commander-urged-officers-not-to-speak-to-lehrmann-defence-20230510-p5d766.html
Extraordinary allegations by the top prosecutor in the Bruce Lehrmann rape trial that there could have been a political conspiracy to derail the case have been vehemently denied by former Coalition ministers Michaelia Cash and Linda Reynolds.
In explosive evidence delivered before an inquiry into the abandoned trial of Lehrmann – a former Liberal Party staffer – ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold SC said a series of “strange events” throughout the case led him to believe there was federal interference in the politically charged case.
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John Pesutto on the nose. Victorian Liberal party as well.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/shannon-deery-john-pesutto-is-starting-to-look-like-a-leader-living-on-borrowed-time/news-story/9fce0eaeb92c5f9cc66849a83d4b5351
John Pesutto is starting to look like a leader living on borrowed time.
He won’t say it publicly, but he would suspect it to be true.
That’s why in a regular radio spot recently he urged Victorians to be patient.
He did the same before 400 members at the Liberal Party’s state conference on Saturday.
Half of that number stood and applauded his vision to reform the party.
The other half didn’t want to know: some older members walked out, others heckled, some booed, in what seasoned Liberals described as unprecedented scenes.
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Victorian Libs in turmoil (again)
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/talks-of-toppling-opposition-leader-john-pesutto-gain-momentum/news-story/3c416c489c368bcd34cfb0fcc7ea4b10
Talks of toppling Opposition Leader John Pesutto have gained momentum in the week since he was booed and heckled at a party conference.
Dozens of members walked out on Pesutto before he addressed a crowd of hundreds at the State Council meeting in Bendigo, prompting the leader to call for party unity.
But despite repeated pleas, talks of a potential challenge to his leadership have escalated during the week.
Sources close to the leader’s office said Pesutto now believed it was now only a matter of time before he faced a challenge.
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Going to be a long time in opposition
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God bless the mighty Liberal Party.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/29/victorian-liberal-mp-says-indigenous-people-should-be-grateful-for-wonderful-things-brought-by-colonisation
Marcus Stewart, a co-chair of Victoria’s First Peoples’ Assembly has criticised state Liberal MP Bev McArthur, after she said Indigenous people should be grateful for the “wonderful things that have been enabled via colonisation” such as hospitals, running water and electricity.
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Notice you haven’t commented on anything happening in WA?
Wonder why ????
Side note, thought it was fitting when Dan Andrews referred to him as “comrade”
Good on you China Man Dan .. would fit in perfectly as a communist .. even in your tweets
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More trouble in paradise.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/nationals-leader-says-claim-voice-will-re-racialise-australia-should-not-be-in-referendum-pamphlet-20230529-p5dc25.html
Nationals leader David Littleproud says he would not support the assertion by Opposition Leader Peter Dutton that the Voice will “re-racialise” Australia being included in the official Voice referendum pamphlet, as he pledged the junior coalition partner would seek to ensure the No case was put in a respectful tone.
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Notice you haven’t commented on anything happening in WA?
Wonder why ????
Side note, thought it was fitting when Dan Andrews referred to him as “comrade”
Good on you China Man Dan .. would fit in perfectly as a communist .. even in your tweets
:shh :shh
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You were really expecting an answer? :shh
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You were really expecting an answer? :shh
Didn't answer because there wasn't a question.
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You were really expecting an answer? :shh
nope. Plenty questions asked and zero responses given :shh :shh
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Notice you haven’t commented on anything happening in WA?
Wonder why ????
Side note, thought it was fitting when Dan Andrews referred to him as “comrade”
Good on you China Man Dan .. would fit in perfectly as a communist .. even in your tweets
cant believe you actually read his tweats Damo.
the last tweet i saw which was sent to me via whatsapp was when the pedo loving freak said he "was like a proud sobby dad who is proud of his family (victorians) or some garbage like that. Was enough to make you puke, but clearly some still get off on his crap.
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Nice snip mods but maybe actually go through '65's posting history first and then try and tell me that wasn't anything more than an accurate and factual description? :shh
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This sums up the difference between Labor and the Libs perfectly.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/an-attack-on-aspirational-victorians-liberals-slam-potential-airbnb-tax-20230528-p5dbv6.html
The state opposition is accusing the government of plotting to inflict further pain on aspirational Victorians after Premier Daniel Andrews failed to rule out additional taxes on landlords who let their properties via short-term rental platforms like Airbnb
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This is the worst thread on the Internet
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That’s why you’re probably fully funded (propped up) by the government and others prefer not to. Most of which have an average salary of 100k, or less. :shh
Explains the problem in society. Class warfare is something the left do very well and suckers like you fall for it.
DIO I’m not expecting a reply nor want one.
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#taxationistheft :shh
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Notice you haven’t commented on anything happening in WA?
Wonder why ????
Side note, thought it was fitting when Dan Andrews referred to him as “comrade”
Good on you China Man Dan .. would fit in perfectly as a communist .. even in your tweets
cant believe you actually read his tweats Damo.
the last tweet i saw which was sent to me via whatsapp was when the pedo loving freak said he "was like a proud sobby dad who is proud of his family (victorians) or some garbage like that. Was enough to make you puke, but clearly some still get off on his crap.
Nah , don’t read his tweets
Live overseas and the interest is minimal in Dan Andrews ..
I saw it in an article on McGowan pulling the pin
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For all the Mr Potato Head lovers.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2023/may/30/peter-dutton-plays-a-familiar-tune (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2023/may/30/peter-dutton-plays-a-familiar-tune)
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LMAO an opinion piece from the Red Guard-ian....a publication whose headlines these days are virtually indistinguishable from satirical sites like The Onion & The Babylon Bee or the twitter feeds of parody accounts like Tatiana McGrath.... :shh
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Even other leftist sites make fun of them:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/can-you-guess-if-these-guardian-headlines-are-real
:shh
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Notice you haven’t commented on anything happening in WA?
Wonder why ????
Side note, thought it was fitting when Dan Andrews referred to him as “comrade”
Good on you China Man Dan .. would fit in perfectly as a communist .. even in your tweets
cant believe you actually read his tweats Damo.
the last tweet i saw which was sent to me via whatsapp was when the pedo loving freak said he "was like a proud sobby dad who is proud of his family (victorians) or some garbage like that. Was enough to make you puke, but clearly some still get off on his crap.
Nah , don’t read his tweets
Live overseas and the interest is minimal in Dan Andrews ..
I saw it in an article on McGowan pulling the pin
:thumbsup
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LMAO an opinion piece from the Red Guard-ian....a publication whose headlines these days are virtually indistinguishable from satirical sites like The Onion & The Babylon Bee or the twitter feeds of parody accounts like Tatiana McGrath.... :shh
You know someone is struggling when they quote that tripe.
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More trouble for the Victorian Libs.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-31/ryan-smith-victorian-liberal-mp-resignation-sparks-byelection/102414882
Voters in Melbourne's north-east will head to the polls for the third time in just over a year, after Liberal MP Ryan Smith — a critic of leader John Pesutto — called time on his Victorian political career.
Mr Smith will resign on July 7 to take up a job in the corporate sector, forcing a by-election in Warrandyte.
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And here's a potential replacement.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/he-s-back-former-liberal-mp-tim-smith-considering-return-to-spring-street-20230531-p5dcrv.html
Former Liberal MP Tim Smith, who resigned from politics after a drunken car crash, could return to state parliament following the resignation of former minister Ryan Smith.
Speaking from London, where he has been living since late last year, Tim Smith told The Age that he was interested in rebooting his political career and running for preselection in the seat of Warrandyte in Melbourne’s north-east.
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Notice you haven’t commented on anything happening in WA?
Wonder why ????
Probably because it's not our state and the change of leader wasn't due to him nor his party being on the nose. Similar to Gutwein in Tassie when he stepped down as premier. Don't remember anyone posting about that either.
Side note, thought it was fitting when Dan Andrews referred to him as “comrade”
Good on you China Man Dan .. would fit in perfectly as a communist .. even in your tweets
Surely, anyone could see that was nothing but a deliberate fishing exercise. It wasn't the first time either. He caught a full net too it seems :shh.
Reminds me of the Keating quote to Downer - "This is the salmon that jumps on the hook for you".
:fishing
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The Libs looking after the well-off again.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/parents-will-pay-this-liberals-promise-to-abolish-victoria-s-private-school-tax-hike-20230530-p5dcji.html
The Victorian Liberals have promised to repeal the state’s incoming tax hike for private schools should the Coalition win government in 2026.
But Opposition Leader John Pesutto will not commit to axing Labor’s other tax measures despite opposing them, arguing his party needs to be “fiscally responsible” and assess Victoria’s finances closer to the next election.
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:lol :lol
"no we dont comment because it's not our state" :shh
fmd i think i've heard it all now
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:lol :lol
"no we dont comment because it's not our state" :shh
fmd i think i've heard it all now
Yep
Just like Gladys wasn’t mentioned in NSW
Be funny to look back on that topic and see who commented on that situation
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Every time I post in here I come back the next day to see it’s been deleted :lol
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Gladys has resigned. In the end she couldn't stand the heat.
Plenty more (pages and pages)
But I liked this one best
Strange why anyone said anything … wasn’t our state , which is apparently the new measuring stick on whether things will be commented on
That must have changed since Gladys resigned
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Gee I wonder what side of politics Gladys was from? #notourstate :shh
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Gee I wonder what side of politics Gladys was from? #notourstate :shh
Thanks for clarifying
The newly suggested #notourstate clearly only applies for the following
1- negative Labor scenarios
2- positive Libs scenarios
Everything else is fair game
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Yes we need claw & WAT here to comment on the McGowan situation as they meet the criteria..... :shh :shh
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I wonder how many of our posters use AI to generate their posts.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-considers-banning-high-risk-ai-despite-economic-potential-20230601-p5dd3y.html
High-risk artificial intelligence that encourages self-harm and sows disinformation could be banned as the government moves to get on top of the technology, which some estimate could boost the economy by up to $4 trillion by early next decade.
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Gladys has resigned. In the end she couldn't stand the heat.
Plenty more (pages and pages)
But I liked this one best
Strange why anyone said anything … wasn’t our state , which is apparently the new measuring stick on whether things will be commented on
That must have changed since Gladys resigned
You're comparing McGowan & Gutwein who both simply and voluntarily retired from politics while on top to a former premier who jumped before she was pushed because her secret pollie boyfriend in her government was caught doing dodgy deals in his electorate and she was caught on the phone speaking to him and not wanting to know about it. All while lecturing the rest of the country about being the "gold standard" :wallywink. Talk about apples and oranges! :facepalm
Gee I wonder what side of politics Gladys was from? #notourstate :shh
Gee I wonder what side of politics Gutwein was from when no one posted about his resignation? #notaconspiracy :shh
Typical desperate grasping at straws and made-up conspiracies because some can't handle that the LNP is a lost divided rabble stuck fighting amongst themselves in opposition across the country over whacko religious fringe and "cultural war" BS borrowed from America and pushed by the Murdoch media. Aussies aren't dumb Yanks! The LNP chose to no longer reflect let alone represent mainstream Australia anymore. The full blown denial and meltdown is hilarious :rollin.
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Lmao typical brainwashed leftist midwit take thinking the LNP need to be Labor(sic) Light to win government......what an obvious con job by the leftist media & political class that is ....the LNP deserve to rot in opposition forever if they're dumb enough to fall for it......... :shh
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Lmao typical brainwashed leftist midwit take thinking the LNP need to be Labor(sic) Light to win government......what an obvious con job by the leftist media & political class that is ....the LNP deserve to rot in opposition forever if they're dumb enough to fall for it.........
Labor has taken the Centre normally occupied by the Liberals. Dutton's response has been to move further right, he is more concerned about keeping his current job (leader of the opposition) than he is about being prime minister.
God bless Mr Potato Head.
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MT's counter-argument - "Yeah but no-one mentioned the bloke in Tassie you Trumpian conspiracy theorists!" :joker :propeller :joker
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Labor has taken the Centre normally occupied by the Liberals.
:biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
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Gee I wonder what side of politics Gladys was from? #notourstate :
Thanks for clarifying
The newly suggested #notourstate clearly only applies for the following
1- negative Labor scenarios
2- positive Libs scenarios
Everything else is fair game
Laughable those blokes.
Glad and her boyfriend Vlad sure did cop a workout on here. Pretty sure the bloke with the bottle of wine did as well but I think his uncle hails from Victoria so all good on that one
:shh
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MT's counter-argument - "Yeah but no-one mentioned the bloke in Tassie you Trumpian religious right wing private school boy loving conspiracy theorists!" :joker :propeller :joker
EFA
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EFA
Wrong again Frankie. If only you knew what school I went too :shh.
Lmao typical brainwashed leftist midwit take thinking the LNP need to be Labor(sic) Light to win government......what an obvious con job by the leftist media & political class that is ....the LNP deserve to rot in opposition forever if they're dumb enough to fall for it......... :shh
Not hear to defend the modern media where largely journalists have been replaced by attention seeking clickbait commentators, but if you reckon the Murdoch media, 3AW, 2GB, the Spectator, etc are leftist then I've heard it all now :lol.
Traditional Lib electorates in the major cities have abandoned the LNP after 100 years of being safe seats, and not for American-style Republican reactionary candidates with their crackpot religious beliefs. Australia is not America thank goodness! The majority of Aussies favour the centre of politics and reject the extreme Left and extreme Right. Whoever wins the centre, wins government. Living in denial will see the Libs either rot in opposition forever or die out as a major party. You do realise it's happened before in Australian history and why Menzies is famous?
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EFA
Wrong again Frankie. If only you knew what school I went too :shh.
Lmao typical brainwashed leftist midwit take thinking the LNP need to be Labor(sic) Light to win government......what an obvious con job by the leftist media & political class that is ....the LNP deserve to rot in opposition forever if they're dumb enough to fall for it......... :shh
Not hear to defend the modern media where largely journalists have been replaced by attention seeking clickbait commentators, but if you reckon the Murdoch media, 3AW, 2GB, the Spectator, etc are leftist then I've heard it all now :lol.
Traditional Lib electorates in the major cities have abandoned the LNP after 100 years of being safe seats, and not for American-style Republican reactionary candidates with their crackpot religious beliefs. Australia is not America thank goodness! The majority of Aussies favour the centre of politics and reject the extreme Left and extreme Right. Whoever wins the centre, wins government. Living in denial will see the Libs either rot in opposition forever or die out as a major party. You do realise it's happened before in Australian history and why Menzies is famous?
Given your high level of faith and thirst for diversity I would say it’s either
Academy of Mary immaculate is my first guess.
Or Santa Maria college
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EFA
Wrong again Frankie. If only you knew what school I went too :shh.
Lmao typical brainwashed leftist midwit take thinking the LNP need to be Labor(sic) Light to win government......what an obvious con job by the leftist media & political class that is ....the LNP deserve to rot in opposition forever if they're dumb enough to fall for it......... :shh
Not hear to defend the modern media where largely journalists have been replaced by attention seeking clickbait commentators, but if you reckon the Murdoch media, 3AW, 2GB, the Spectator, etc are leftist then I've heard it all now :lol.
Traditional Lib electorates in the major cities have abandoned the LNP after 100 years of being safe seats, and not for American-style Republican reactionary candidates with their crackpot religious beliefs. Australia is not America thank goodness! The majority of Aussies favour the centre of politics and reject the extreme Left and extreme Right. Whoever wins the centre, wins government. Living in denial will see the Libs either rot in opposition forever or die out as a major party. You do realise it's happened before in Australian history and why Menzies is famous?
Given your high level of faith and thirst for diversity I would say it’s either
Academy of Mary immaculate is my first guess.
Or Santa Maria college
"high level of faith" :huh3.
My youngest cousin went to Santa Maria in the late 80s/early 90s since you brought it up. She didn't like it. Mean Girls comes to mind :yep.
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I thought the libs would be out nationally for years and years but this Higgins alleged rape thing/multi million payout may bring them down according to sources in the know
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She should be made to pay that money back too. What a shameful person she and those Labor gimps are
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She should be made to pay that money back too. What a shameful person she and those Labor gimps are
Yep exposed badly for the liars and opportunists they are the lot of them
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:shh
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The Labor(sic) spambot's gone awfully quiet.... :shh :shh
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Might have finally broke
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Just so I am clear you all think Bruce Lehrman is telling the truth?
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Leaning heavily towards yes but don't actually know because like you, Lisa Wilkinson et al, the then Labor(sic) shadow cabinet & yes even Scott "Sorry" Morrison - whose conduct in this was a bad as any of the aforementioned - I wasn't there. :shh
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Just so I am clear you all think Bruce Lehrman is telling the truth?
God knows, they sound all as bad as each other
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Just so I am clear you all think Bruce Lehrman is telling the truth?
God knows, they sound all as bad as each other
That is true
And can I just say before certain posters start having a go at me
If the text messages supposedly about Gallagher are correct, she should at a minimum resign from the ministry
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The more I read about this the more I think we are the only victims here with our taxpayer money wasted and having the bs posted all over media
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I see Captain Blowhard's wife Lisa Wilkinscum only likes obedient indigenous people who have the right kind of views because clearly they're a monolithic group that can't think for themselves...no real surprise she's a patronosing racist hypocrite because most white leftists are when you scratch the surface... :shh
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I see a report into this voice garbage shows polls aren't as strong as they once were. They may change as i suspect it will with all industries paid off like the afl, What is shows is there are people out there don't give a flying stuff about it when compared to paying mortgages and bills. Fancy going head into something like this wasting tax payers money with inflation and cost of living not under control after 14 months in office and no sign of it slowing the rates any time soon.
Imagine Scomo was in power with the cost of living and rates this high, then going on socials blaming (deflecting to the RBA) :shh
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Yep it’s an absolute farce
You would have to think there is large silent no vote still out there who don’t want to be branded racist
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Yep it’s an absolute farce
You would have to think there is large silent no vote still out there who don’t want to be branded racist
Or it could be the opposite Chuck
A large silent yes vote ;D
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Yep it’s an absolute farce
You would have to think there is large silent no vote still out there who don’t want to be branded racist
or as mt puts it a religious jewish or catholic trump loving bigot
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Senator Jenny McAllister says it’s fair for Senators to examine who had knowledge of Brittany Higgins’ rape allegation and the leaking of the former Liberal staffer’s private messages, though she stopped short of calling for an inquiry.
McAllister said she understood that “aspects of this matter” had been referred the Australian Federal Police.
“I’m not in a position to provide details about the approach that they [AFP] are taking and I also know that the Attorney-General Mr Dreyfus expressed his concern about some of these issues in the parliament yesterday,” she told ABC Radio.
“I don’t think an inquiry is necessary. I hear Senator [Andrew] Bragg’s call for that, but I do understand the concern he is raising about the overall way that the matter is being dealt with.
any comments from the alp greens cheerleaders on this one? :shh
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Dictator Dan looks like being Premier for a long long time.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/can-t-get-much-lower-pesutto-s-coalition-sinks-to-new-low-in-polls-20230614-p5dgeq.html
Support for John Pesutto’s Victorian Liberal-National Coalition has slumped to a fresh low as Daniel Andrews’ third-term government maintains a powerful lead, ahead of a crucial byelection in the seat of Warrandyte.
An exclusive survey conducted by Resolve Strategic for The Age puts Labor’s primary vote 15 points clear of the opposition due to a dramatic drop in support for the Victorian Liberal Party, which has recorded a primary vote of just 23 per cent.
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David Van. Guilty or Not Guilty?
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David Van. Guilty or Not Guilty?
Innocent until proven guilty.
Don't understand why this crap comes out in parliament as opposed to going to the police.
Also think all pollies should be paying 1-2% into their own indemnity slush fund so if someone needs an undisclosed payout they can all pay for it instead of me. Might actually encourage them to behave like adults with respect.
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Seems like Mr Potato Head has already judged him guilty.
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Seems like Mr Potato Head has already judged him guilty.
Might be something to do with the alleged other party who also made a complaint but who knows.
Go to the effing police ffs
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Steve Price reckons It's Time.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/steve-price-opposition-leader-peter-dutton-is-the-right-fit-for-pm/news-story/fe7d2a632d8ea40d4a4463c1c34c8e02
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has this week arrived as an alternative Prime Minister.
He’s electable and Prime Minister Albanese should be very worried.
Dutton has changed both his demeanour and appearance and is calmy working his way towards the big job.
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At least Dutton acted swiftly against his own unlike Each Way Albo still protecting Mean Girl Corrupt Katie's lying arse. :shh
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At least Dutton acted swiftly against his own unlike Each Way Albo still protecting Mean Girl Corrupt Katie's lying arse. :shh
So David Van is guilty. No trial, no investigation, no committee, no police investigation.
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LMAO like you suddenly give a shyte what happens to a Liberal :shh
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
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Yep fairly tone deaf post
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
Decision by VIRT though, independent tribunal.
Supposedly nothing to do with the governing party, in fact Andrews' created VIRT to prevent pollies setting their own wages.
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;)
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
Decision by VIRT though, independent tribunal.
Supposedly nothing to do with the governing party, in fact Andrews' created VIRT to prevent pollies setting their own wages.
Andrew’s is a crook
He would have involvement
Like branch stacking
The Vic Labor party are a pack of criminals led by a corrupt communist dog
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
Decision by VIRT though, independent tribunal.
Supposedly nothing to do with the governing party, in fact Andrews' created VIRT to prevent pollies setting their own wages.
Andrew’s is a crook
He would have involvement
Like branch stacking
The Vic Labor party are a pack of criminals led by a corrupt communist dog
You just dropped the already dismally low IQ of this thread!
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Left wing , Right wing … it’s the same bird
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
Decision by VIRT though, independent tribunal.
Supposedly nothing to do with the governing party, in fact Andrews' created VIRT to prevent pollies setting their own wages.
Andrew’s is a crook
He would have involvement
Like branch stacking
The Vic Labor party are a pack of criminals led by a corrupt communist dog
You just dropped the already dismally low IQ of this thread!
Sorry
:lol :lol :lol
Re-read your post
Yep,
I’m a stuffwit , lol, but still feel above average amongst some of this crowd
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Left wing , Right wing … it’s the same bird
Best post in a while haha
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
Clearly posted to get a reaction like most of the partisan drivel he spams the thread with - but nah totally not a troll according to the mods........ :shh
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
Decision by VIRT though, independent tribunal.
Supposedly nothing to do with the governing party, in fact Andrews' created VIRT to prevent pollies setting their own wages.
ooh dear
why dont they hand in their defined benefit schemes then? You know the ones that are worth over 3 million :shh though nice of them to come up with that figure :shh
or perhaps give back the pay rise, in fact why dont any of them?
Andy dont kid yourself he is as corrupt as it comes, and has many friends, though he is the worst.
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Although the pay rise is set by an independent panel our fearless polling don't have agree to it
I noticed the OL Mr Persuto rambled on about it not being right when so many Victorians are doing it so tough but he never said he handed it back or direct his party or the coalition to not accepted it.
Ditto Andrews he stood at his presser and rambled on about it being an independent decision but he never said he'd turn it down.
Fair dinkum they are all (Labor, Libs, Greens, Nats) are clueless when it comes to reading the room
None of them deserve an increase in particular the Premier, especially after playing politics around the Denyer situation. Disgraceful by Andrews :banghead
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
Decision by VIRT though, independent tribunal.
Supposedly nothing to do with the governing party, in fact Andrews' created VIRT to prevent pollies setting their own wages.
ooh dear
why dont they hand in their defined benefit schemes then? You know the ones that are worth over 3 million :shh though nice of them to come up with that figure :shh
or perhaps give back the pay rise, in fact why dont any of them?
Andy dont kid yourself he is as corrupt as it comes, and has many friends, though he is the worst.
It's not an example of corruption, just greed. Would you turn down a pay rise?
Would I?
Nope.
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It's like the old Yes Prime Minister episode. The "independent parliamentaty body" links politician salaries to the salaries of the top civil/public servants which is measured against the salaries of
corporate CEOs/CFOs. As long as one is going up, they ALL go up, and irrespective of which side of politics they are from or is in power. So no one within the system complains. One big happy gravy train.
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Scotty from Marketing has reared his head once again. Is he trying to rewrite history or is he telling the truth.
Either way it looks like he is readying the way to another shot at the Liberal leadership.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/not-the-same-as-lying-to-him-morrison-defends-keeping-aukus-secret-from-macron-20230622-p5digz.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/not-the-same-as-lying-to-him-morrison-defends-keeping-aukus-secret-from-macron-20230622-p5digz.html)
But Morrison defended his plans, telling Kerbaj: “Not telling him is not the same as lying to him. I think Emmanuel thought I was … seeking leverage on the contract. Maybe he thought I was bluffing.”
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It's like the old Yes Prime Minister episode. The "independent parliamentaty body" links politician salaries to the salaries of the top civil/public servants which is measured against the salaries of
corporate CEOs/CFOs. As long as one is going up, they ALL go up, and irrespective of which side of politics they are from or is in power. So no one within the system complains. One big happy gravy train.
Such a great show. Comparable jobs in industry ... the directors of BP and IBM! :lol
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It's like the old Yes Prime Minister episode. The "independent parliamentaty body" links politician salaries to the salaries of the top civil/public servants which is measured against the salaries of
corporate CEOs/CFOs. As long as one is going up, they ALL go up, and irrespective of which side of politics they are from or is in power. So no one within the system complains. One big happy gravy train.
Such a great show. Comparable jobs in industry ... the directors of BP and IBM! :lol
:lol
Here's that clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXMim-St-BI
Pay rise tricks and linking pollie salaries to those of civil servants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGXwpO6Ou-4
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Dictator Dan gets a well deserved pay rise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/victorian-politicians-mps-to-receive-pay-rise-tribunal-finds/102502684
I’ve often thought you were a goose
Nice to have it proven
Typical of the Victorian government to be unable to read the room
Decision by VIRT though, independent tribunal.
Supposedly nothing to do with the governing party, in fact Andrews' created VIRT to prevent pollies setting their own wages.
ooh dear
why dont they hand in their defined benefit schemes then? You know the ones that are worth over 3 million :shh though nice of them to come up with that figure :shh
or perhaps give back the pay rise, in fact why dont any of them?
Andy dont kid yourself he is as corrupt as it comes, and has many friends, though he is the worst.
It's not an example of corruption, just greed. Would you turn down a pay rise?
Would I?
Nope.
of course but you are not running the country and of course in your industry as long as he is in power i would lick his arse too
educational servants as well. Bunch of sheep.
plenty of people like the Lefties support the 3 mil cap but then turn a blind eye to the pollies just like your mate andrews not including his own DB in that cap.
Funny that. I include all of them in this rabbit hole, but only a select few control us and he is one of those. :shh
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Albys honeymoon is well and truly over, approval rating decreasing and at lowest level since elected and this farce of a referendum.
Labor Could have been in office for a decade + given the shambles the libs are in but now it’s a two horse race
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The voice in the middle of a cost of living crisis :lol :lol. what were those losers thinking fair dinkum.
sort the country out first then by all means embark on this skata.
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Dealing with real life current issues instead Thanks
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Dealing with real life current issues instead Thanks
:lol :lol :lol
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JFC this is absolutely stuffing laughable. #protectedspecies ::)
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Snip! ::)
You know the rules guys. Disagreeing/debating is fine but posts that simply bait, call other posters names and/or have nothing to do with topic will be removed.
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Liberal party are stuffed.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-could-lose-35-seats-as-millennials-gen-z-reshape-politics-20230628-p5dk2y.html
The Coalition could lose the next six elections because Millennials and Generation Z voters aren’t shifting towards conservatives as they get older, prompting five Liberal MPs to urge the party to transform its relationship with younger Australians.
New analysis of voting trends by the Liberal-leaning Centre for Independents Studies has found that by the time people reached their early 50s, Baby Boomers (people born between 1946 and 1964) and Generation X (1965-1980) were more likely to vote for a conservative party than a progressive party.
But that trend is not being repeated among voters who are Millennials (1981-1995) or Generation Z (1996-2009). The percentage of Millennials shifting their vote to the Coalition is only increasing by 0.6 per cent at each election – half the speed at which Boomers and Gen Xers are shifting – which means Millennials will be in their 80s, rather than their 50s, before they are more likely to vote for the Coalition.
And for Generation Z, who were first eligible to vote in a federal election from 2014, support for the Coalition is falling, rather than increasing. This group is the least likely of any post-war generation to support the Coalition.
More Millennials and Gen Zers voted for the Greens than the Coalition at the last election and projecting the current trends forward, the paper warns that by 2040 – when 70 per cent of voters will be from post-1980 generations – the Coalition could lose another 35 seats.
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They've been saying that since the height of the hippie movement back in the 60's. The pendulum always swings :shh
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Mr Potato-Head is at it again.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-07/peter-dutton-david-littleproud-coalition-nuclear-reactors/102574782
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton is ramping up calls for nuclear power in Australia, arguing reactors could be built on the sites of coal-fired power stations.
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So he's on the same page as Greta Thunberg & most European Green parties then? :shh
BTW Is "Mr. Potato Head" part of the official ALP approved terminology & talking points for spamming social media like "Scotty from Marketing" was? :shh :shh
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Now it's Barnaby's turn to cop a whack.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jul/14/australian-pesticides-veterinary-medicine-authority-ceo-chair-resign
A review of the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority found serious allegations of workplace culture and poor governance
The board chair and CEO of Australia’s agricultural and veterinary chemical regulator have resigned, as an independent review found “serious and systemic issues” within the organisation.
Watt said the report also found that the former Nationals leader and agriculture minister Barnaby Joyce’s decision to move the regulator to Armidale resulted “in a loss of corporate knowledge, a loss of corporate culture and a loss of experience and knowledge of public sector values”.
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lmao so predictable #leftistechochamber #protectedspecies :shh
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THY Silly c... has canned the games. Waste of time anyway, but it highlights how little cash he has left and how much the useless stuff has burnt serious cash.
At least we have the voice coming through. That should assist the cost of living pressures.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu0VWU3BFqc/?hl=en
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THY Silly c... has canned the games. Waste of time anyway, but it highlights how little cash he has left and how much the useless stuff has burnt serious cash.
At least we have the voice coming through. That should assist the cost of living pressures.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu0VWU3BFqc/?hl=en
Useless prick he is
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LMFAO they deleted all of it - the pathetic protection racket continues :shh
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:lol
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Seriously we can take the pee out Machine & T.I.S, everyone takes the pee out of claw.... but don't you dare mock the obvious ALP plant/ "PR Guy" of OER.... :shh
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If I was a mod I'd accidentally ban 65's IP
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Someone should start an account "1975" (great year for politics) never talk Richmond or footy, only posting pro-LNP/ anti-ALP articles/propaganda and see how long it lasts. :shh
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:lol
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LMFAO they deleted all of it - the pathetic protection racket continues :shh
you are surprised?
wonder who it was . Mt/65 or WP?
laughable either way.
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Genuinely love the site
Have huge respect for WP
Outside that , FFS 🤦♂️
The pro labor BS on this site is a stuffing joke
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LMFAO they deleted all of it - the pathetic protection racket continues :shh
you are surprised?
wonder who it was . Mt/65 or WP?
laughable either way.
I'm going to let this one pass
Outside if it being a cheap shot at the mods which seem to come thick and fast on this thread
It is a clear bait and under the rules of this site it should along with the posts preceding it should be removed
That is why yesterday's stuff got removed. Baiting, nothing more nothing less.
We have said time and time again
1/ keep your personal fueds off the site
2/ got a problem with something report it. And we will review and take the necessary action if needed. Accusing someone of trolling just because you don't like what they've posted doesn't mean it will get removed.
3/ if you don't like what someone has posted don't reply to it, ignore it or better yet put that poster on your ignore list. It isn't that hard
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You really think we call him a troll solely because of his politics WP?
So why aren't we saying likewise about the likes of MT - who's probably even further to the left than '65?
Would that because he doesn't just spam the board with links without engaging anyone in a debate or respond to a question/challenge, by deflecting or changing the subject with a glib one liner, another link or emoticon like '65 does on the very rare occasions he does actually "respond"? (Classic example - he posted a link the other day bagging Dutton for being pro-nuclear - I pointed out that this merely puts Dutton in line with the likes of noted "far-right" figures like Great Thunberg & most European Green parties who all now endorse nuclear power - still waiting for the response actually not really because I know it ain't coming)
Or the fact that on a Richmond fan forum the vast majority of MT's posts are still actually about the club and football as opposed to the odd rare appearance to keep up appearances that either offers no real insight, displays an obvious lack of knowledge about the game and the club or just corrects someone's spelling?
Or that he doesn't try to bait & entrap posters he disagrees with politically so he can report them and try to get them banned?
When we won the flags was '65 in the Rant section celebrating with the rest of us? Maybe but I don't recall? Has he even commented on an actual game or a result? Has he ever been on here during a game posting about the game? At least the interstate ones?
How many of '65s posts have actually been more than just one glib sentence and/or a link? I can't recall one.
Frankly it's an insult to everyone's intelligence and he would've been banned long ago on most other boards because it's textbook spamming & troll behaviour - he's probably doing the same thing on bomberblitz for we all we know. And yes I dare say you wouldn't tolerate any of that if he was doing it on behalf of the other side of politics. :shh
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So why aren't we saying likewise about the likes of MT - who's probably even further to the left than '65?
Now that's offensive :snidegrin.
I do laugh these days at what is classed as this simplistic binary "left" and "right". Too bad real life doesn't exist in binary mode.
I didn't realise being a proud independent Aussie and not wanting a foreigner as our head of state made me a "lefty" :huh3. That's more "right-wing" if anything.
No fan of the Greens either. Oops! :shh
I forgot these days being pro-science is now considered "left-wing" by all the happy clappers because science doesn't need made-up supernatural myths and fairytales to explain how we got here. Sheesh, we wouldn't have our modern Western society without modern science. We wouldn't be on the other side of the covid pandemic without it either (hello vaccine!). Not the scientists' fault that we have so many scientific illiterates in our political and media class that have deliberately held our country back.
Not believing in imaginary beings in the sky is "left" too? Too bad the majority of Aussies are rejecting religion, plus I'm not an atheist because of my politics. I base my views on scientific evidence. A pretty traditional and conservative Western idea and legacy from the Enlightenment period. Show me this "god" exists and I'll shut up? Problem is religious folk can't prove what doesn't exist and never will. That's their problem not mine. No issue with typical old-school moderate religious people and politicians who keep their personal faith views to themselves and independent of policy decisions. Australia has always had that on both sides of the aisle and that's their constitutional right as is mine (section 116). I just don't want the ultra loony fringe minority bringing their American-style baseless conspiracy crap into Parliament and Australia. The Libs need to pee them off and go back to appealing to the mainstream in the "centre". That's how you win elections in Australia.
And yes I dare say you wouldn't tolerate any of that if he was doing it on behalf of the other side of politics. :shh
And dare I say you wouldn't be complaining [at least not as much] if he was :shh. There's a number of LNP supporters on this forum (hello recent times). Their actual political views don't get removed nor their criticism of the current government (both state and federal). Only posts that bait and/or insult other posters get edited/removed. It's pretty straightforward to understand.
Just put '65 on your ignore list. Then you won't have to see/read any of his posts anymore.
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Lmao - did you just read two sentences and go off on one? Clearly didn't read my follow up post either. :shh
...and yes you're still a rabid lefty - but as they say the truly insane never they think they are... :santa
Not an LNP fan either, despise Neo-conservatism , Neo-liberalism, (it's their name ffs ) and think they're mostly a bunch of soft spineless cucks with no real principles....have about as much time for people who are guided by The Wealth of Nations, Atlas Shrugged & Fountainhead as those who are guided by Das Kapital...(in sum: stuff the Austrian School of Economics as much as the Frankfurt School)also a dyed in the wool atheist & lifelong republican -though admittedly when I ever I read or hear the cringeworthy takes on the subjects from the likes of you & Pirate Pete , I'm suddenly overcome with the urge to sing God Save the King & start attending church. : :snidegrin
As for you lot being "pro-science" I'd suggest like most ideologues you're pro the "science" that suits your worldview until it doesn't...(how many genders are their again science guy?), but do find it amusing though that the left are now Big Pharma's most loyal shills... :shh Dunno what this "American style politics" you go on about is...yeah ScoMo was a bible basher in his personal life but didn't see many LNP policies really reflecting that.... so far I haven't seen any rigged elections and the government weaponsing the legal system against it's political opponents in any serious way, Albo's not senile(just stupid) and we don't have open borders - yet -guns were banned years ago - by a Liberal pm and it's not considered racist to expect people to prove their identity when they vote. No coke's been found at the lodge afaik ...although Dan Andrews is probably enriching himself through dodgy deals with the CCP and is probably considering making "misgendering" someone a hate crime so there's that and of course the blinding loyalty to Israel and allowing ourselves to be shaken down by the corrupt performance artist who runs Ukraine is pretty American these days I suppose....but apart from that most of the stuff I've seen described as "far right" lately was regarded as perfectly normal & mainstream opinions even as recently as 5 years ago....... :shh
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Frankly it's an insult to everyone's intelligence and he would've been banned long ago on most other boards because it's textbook spamming & troll behaviour - he's probably doing the same thing on bomberblitz for we all we know. And yes I dare say you wouldn't tolerate any of that if he was doing it on behalf of the other side of politics. :shh
Fair points you made in the majority of your post and appreciate your feedback when it comes in a balanced form so we will take it on board
But I have to say I find the bit I've highlighted laughable. Just looking at the last few months we didn't remove
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg749559#msg749559
or from as recently as yesterday
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg752954#msg752954
or from your good self Dio
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg747742#msg747742
what about
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg743775#msg743775
So please don't suggest for a minute it is because he is posting Labor leaning articles. If he was posting LNP leaning they still be here.
I would very much like to see more commentary fromt he other side of politics, just without the snide insults towards other posters but genuine discussion.
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Lmao - did you just read two sentences and go off on one? Clearly didn't read my follow up post either. :shh
...and yes you're still a rabid lefty - but as they say the truly insane never they think they are... :santa
Not an LNP fan either, despise Neo-conservatism , Neo-liberalism, (it's their name ffs ) and think they're mostly a bunch of soft spineless cucks with no real principles....have about as much time for people who are guided by The Wealth of Nations, Atlas Shrugged & Fountainhead as those who are guided by Das Kapital...(in sum: stuff the Austrian School of Economics as much as the Frankfurt School) also a dyed in the wool atheist & lifelong republican -though admittedly when I ever I read or hear the cringeworthy takes on the subjects from the likes of you & Pirate Pete , I'm suddenly overcome with the urge to sing God Save the King & start attending church. : :snidegrin
As for you lot being "pro-science" I'd suggest like most ideologues you're pro the "science" that suits your worldview until it doesn't...(how many genders are their again science guy?), but do find it amusing though that the left are now Big Pharma's most loyal shills... :shh Dunno what this "American style politics" you go on about is...yeah ScoMo was a bible basher in his personal life but didn't see many LNP policies really reflecting that.... so far I haven't seen any rigged elections and the government weaponsing the legal system against it's political opponents in any serious way, Albo's not senile(just stupid) and we don't have open borders - yet -guns were banned years ago - by a Liberal pm and it's not considered racist to expect people to prove their identity when they vote. No coke's been found at the lodge afaik ...although Dan Andrews is probably enriching himself through dodgy deals with the CCP and is probably considering making "misgendering" someone a hate crime so there's that and of course the blinding loyalty to Israel and allowing ourselves to be shaken down by the corrupt performance artist who runs Ukraine is pretty American these days I suppose....but apart from that most of the stuff I've seen described as "far right" lately was regarded as perfectly normal & mainstream opinions even as recently as 5 years ago....... :shh
One man's insanity is another man's genius :snidegrin.
Tempora mutantur nos et mutamur in illis. The world keeps spinning whether we like it or not. Our cemeteries are full of those and their old outdated views.
Science is the laws of physics, chemistry and biology and understanding how they apply to the universe from the smallest to the largest scales. It's not a conspiracy. As our technology advances and we gain greater understanding, our knowledge grows and advances too. Holding onto views be it religious, political or whatever reasons that the latest scientific evidence demonstrates has found to be false or at least incomplete is just dumb and dogmatic.
Gender and se-x are not necessarily the same. The latter is related to your se-x chromosomes (XY - male, XX - female, other variants - interse-x) and anatomy (internal sex organs and external genitals derived from them). Gender is more complex. It's an amalgamation of chromosomes, anatomy, hormones (relative levels of testosterone and estrogen), psychology (self-defined gender identity), and culture (socially defined gender behaviors). These elements occur at different points and environments in someone's human development starting in the womb.
In terms of biology, some scientists think it might be traced to the syncopated pacing of fetal development. “Sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy,” wrote Dick Swaab, a researcher at the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience in Amsterdam, “and sexual differentiation of the brain starts during the second half of pregnancy.” Genitals and brains are thus subjected to different environments of “hormones, nutrients, medication, and other chemical substances,” several weeks apart in the womb, that affect sexual differentiation. This doesn’t mean there’s such a thing as a “male” or “female” brain, exactly. But at least a few brain characteristics, such as density of the gray matter or size of the hypothalamus, do tend to differ between genders.
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/how-science-is-helping-us-understand-gender/
For the vast majority, these elements line up and the old school binary of seeing yourself as either male or female will apply. But they don't line up in these binary terms for everyone. Some people get a 'mixture', and while further data is required, this may explain why someone is say transgender. I don't see any logic in rejecting or dismissing a person because they were born a certain way they had no control over. I certainly don't see the behaviour of certain pollies who proclaim themselves as being "Christian" as following the bloke from Nazareth's teachings. More like cruel and ignorant social/political/cultural/religious conservative dogma that belongs back in the Middle Ages.
By the way, I don't subscribe to any of those economic philosophies you mentioned either. Too rigid and inflexible and more a reflection of the contemporary socio-economic time period each one was published in. While the maths behind financial analysis is interesting (eg: Black-Scholes equation === Heat-Diffusion-Convection equation in physics), economics is not a science.
Vaccines aren't some "Big Pharma" conspiracy. They save lives. Only have to look at what happened in Samoa back in 2019 when anti-vaxxers got to the population and caused a reduction in vaccination rates for measles. Next minute, a measles outbreak resulting in 83 dead with most of them being kids under the age of 5. Anti-vaxxers are scum! :thumbsdown
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30053-0/fulltext
Surely you're not pro-Putin then? :help That gangster is on a mission to send Russia back to dark ages and wipe out as many Ukrainians in the process. His 3-day planned invasion of Ukraine is now over 500 days and with 240,000 casualties of his own troops and counting. Not that Putin and his criminal thugs care. The same thug regime that shot down MH17 killing Aussies.
ps. Our website host for some reason (anti-spam?) doesn't like the word se-x lol.
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Frankly it's an insult to everyone's intelligence and he would've been banned long ago on most other boards because it's textbook spamming & troll behaviour - he's probably doing the same thing on bomberblitz for we all we know. And yes I dare say you wouldn't tolerate any of that if he was doing it on behalf of the other side of politics. :shh
Fair points you made in the majority of your post and appreciate your feedback when it comes in a balanced form so we will take it on board
But I have to say I find the bit I've highlighted laughable. Just looking at the last few months we didn't remove
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg749559#msg749559
or from as recently as yesterday
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg752954#msg752954
or from your good self Dio
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg747742#msg747742
what about
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg743775#msg743775
So please don't suggest for a minute it is because he is posting Labor leaning articles. If he was posting LNP leaning they still be here.
I would very much like to see more commentary fromt he other side of politics, just without the snide insults towards other posters but genuine discussion.
lovely of you to point out the ones that were kept (by accident is my guess) please show us the ones that were deleted like the recent ones :shh :shh
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Frankly it's an insult to everyone's intelligence and he would've been banned long ago on most other boards because it's textbook spamming & troll behaviour - he's probably doing the same thing on bomberblitz for we all we know. And yes I dare say you wouldn't tolerate any of that if he was doing it on behalf of the other side of politics. :shh
lovely of you to point out the ones that were kept (by accident is my guess) please show us the ones that were deleted like the recent ones :shh :shh
I really wish you'd read things thoroughly before you go ahead with your potting of me
Let me go through it for you, if you don't mind
If you look at Dio's final comment to me (included in the above quote) he said "I dare say you wouldn't tolerate any of that if he was doing it on behalf of the other side of politics"
My reply was that I thought that comment was laughable because as the examples I posted clearly show when people post about the "other side of politics" and they don't get removed
The examples have absolutely nothing to do with the posts that have been removed because they were clearly baiting of another poster
So your pot shot at me comparing what has been removed to the examples I posted isn't valid. 2 totally different types of posts
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Poor old Mr Potato Head is in trouble again.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/dutton-told-of-contractor-s-corruption-cloud-weeks-before-9m-deal-awarded-20230724-p5dqou.html
The Home Affairs Department handed a multimillion-dollar offshore detention contract to an Australian businessman just one month after federal police told then minister Peter Dutton that the man was under investigation for bribery.
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Hows the voice campaign going, thrown many dollars in?
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Hows the voice campaign going, thrown many dollars in?
Not campaigning. Both campaigns are well funded.
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Is this a good step from Dictator Dan?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-28/victoria-bans-gas-new-homes-housing-developments-emissions/102659636
Victoria will ban gas connections in new homes from next year, the state government has announced.
The government said from January 1, 2024, planning permits for new homes and residential subdivisions, including public and social housing, will only connect to all-electric networks.
All new public buildings, such as schools, hospitals, police stations and government-owned buildings, that are yet to reach a design stage must also be all-electric, effective immediately.
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He's done so well, we should all probably write him a letter congratulating him on this. I stand with Dan
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Just how corrupt was the Morrison government?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/consultancy-firm-boasted-unfettered-access-to-defence-national-security-agencies-20230802-p5dtb1.html
An Australian consulting firm has secretly claimed having unfettered access to high-ranking defence and national security agencies gave it privileged insights about information such as the forward plans of federal government departments that could be used to win more work.
The claim was made in a confidential document prepared by consulting company Noetic – a firm that has won Defence and Home Affairs contracts worth tens of millions of dollars – as it sought to attract the interest of a purchaser in 2018.
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I think most people are living in the here and now.
For example;
* What political influence did the labour party have on the DPP in the alleged Higgins incident
* Why has Albo pushed a racially divisive referendum on the Australian public to fulfil his boyhood activist dream
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Just how corrupt was the Morrison government?
If comparing to the Andrew’s government , about 1 out of 10
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Just how corrupt was the Morrison government?
If comparing to the Andrew’s government , about 1 out of 10
The Bjelke-Peterson government was less corrupt than the Andrews government.... :shh
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Victorian opposition leader endorsed by Jeff Kennett.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/former-victorian-premier-jeff-kennett-confident-opposition-leader-john-pesutto-can-win-government/news-story/f6b9bf583d47bb857bdcc8d6287aab5b
Former Liberal premiers have thrown their support behind Opposition Leader John Pesutto, and say they’re confident he can lead the party to government.
Amid ongoing internal tensions that continue to destabilise Mr Pesutto’s leadership they say it is time for the party to unite behind him.
“While people may question John’s leadership, he is the leader, he is entitled to expect the support of the entire party,” Jeff Kennett said.
“And for those who argue or question his ability, can I remind you that when we won in 1992, we had been constructively attacking the government.
“We had developed our policies quite clearly and distinctly. I was not, as leader of the party, more popular than the premier.
“People weren’t voting for me. Governments lose, opposition’s don’t win. That will be the case at the next election.
“It’s not about whether John is popular or not, in my opinion, it’s about whether he and the team prove themselves to be worthy, to be united, and to have the blueprint for how they are going to manage the state.”
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Mr Potato-Head has to go but who would replace him.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-bypassed-indigenous-crime-prevention-for-safety-grants-in-coalition-seats-20230806-p5du9d.html
Peter Dutton blocked high-priority crime prevention grants for Indigenous communities as Home Affairs Minister in favour of less-worthy projects found to have favoured Coalition seats and which included protecting “expensive bowling greens”.
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Albanese has to go
But who would replace him
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/anthony-albanese-grilled-over-labors-connections-with-brittany-higgins-amid-peter-duttons-calls-for-corruption-inquiry/news-story/52ecaa685d4c0f5b7affdb6efb971927?amp
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Albanese really has to go
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CuuS_0LsTbo
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Agree Alby has to go
Happy with anyone else who isn’t a union suck or a political activist
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Agree Alby has to go
Happy with anyone else who isn’t a union suck or a political activist
It's the ALP so good luck with that..... :shh
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Agree Alby has to go
Happy with anyone else who isn’t a union suck or a political activist
It's the ALP so good luck with that..... :shh
how is the suck bribing everyone with a potential public holiday.
No of course its not Voice politically motivated. It truly is about the Matildas. :lol :lol
I think he is on par with Andrews.
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/world-cup/anthony-albaneses-plans-for-matildas-public-holiday/news-story/87c57d3b83e2e5c2e8650957aa2d2a4a?amp
This peanut has to go
But who will replace him
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HEY HEY! HO HO!
ALBANESE'S GOT TO GO!
:wave :wave :wave
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HEY HEY! HO HO!
ALBANESE'S GOT TO GO!
:wave :wave :wave
But who will replace him
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HEY HEY! HO HO!
ALBANESE'S GOT TO GO!
:wave :wave :wave
But who will replace him
Jason Clare :shh
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Victorian Liberals are in Turmoil.
https://www.theage.com.au/cbd/liberal-party-s-father-daughter-act-feeling-the-heat-from-cookers-20230808-p5duy3.html
The civil war inside the Victorian Liberal Party shows no signs of letting up. The latest skirmish was in the headlines at the weekend after sitting MP Renee Heath attended an event hosted by anti-lockdown and anti-vaccination activist Morgan Jonas, who also happens to be the founder of the Freedom Party of Victoria.
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ALP in turmoil over AUKUS Deal:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/undermine-the-us-alliance-revolt-inside-labor-over-aukus-pact/video/f306f43d5599be402cd024b642f9c351
Each Way Albo has clearly lost control... :shh
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https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/albanese-must-come-clean-over-treaty-and-voice-detail/video/775d47d1f1479237445337f1ec7d6620
Oh oh, clearly Albo MUST GO
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https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/albanese-must-come-clean-over-treaty-and-voice-detail/video/775d47d1f1479237445337f1ec7d6620
Oh oh, clearly Albo MUST GO
Must go
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looks like he cant bribe/fool everyone with his public holiday crap. The usuals suspects on here would relish in another day off though :shh a month later we have another one on a friday. :dancing
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/world-cup/fifa-womens-world-cup-2023-latest-news-results-blog-exmatildas-star-melissa-barbieri-unloads-on-prime-minister-anthony-albanese-over-lack-of-funding-australia-vs-france/news-story/c68e9cd73a573c964336065acc60b29b
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Yep , Sneezy Dwarf looking more foolish by the day
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Albo simply has to go
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Albo simply has to go
Yep , sneezy must go
No question
Enough is enough
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Albo simply has to go
Yep , sneezy must go
No question
Enough is enough
just not before i get my public holiday. I want to bludge like the rest of them.
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Albo simply has to go
Yep , sneezy must go
No question
Enough is enough
just not before i get my public holiday. I want to bludge like the rest of them.
Will be the first and only good thing he has done
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Albo simply has to go
Yep , sneezy must go
No question
Enough is enough
just not before i get my public holiday. I want to bludge like the rest of them.
Will be the first and only good thing he has done
No mate. The treatyyyyy will be. :sarcasm2
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Albo simply has to go
Yep , sneezy must go
No question
Enough is enough
just not before i get my public holiday. I want to bludge like the rest of them.
Will be the first and only good thing he has done
No mate. The treatyyyyy will be. :sarcasm2
Yeh can’t wait to pay rent on land I already own
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Getting desperate if we're quoting and posting links from the crybaby clowns and losers at Sky News :lol :rollin.
Today showed how inept and pathetic Voldemort and the LNP are. Opposed half-price medications for the sake of opposing ::), yet had to pull their own motion in the Senate when no surprise they couldn't get the numbers :wallywink.
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No different than the repetitive poo another poster posts
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The almighty has spoken. Jack of All Trades, Master of None.
some more cry babies on the topic.
here is the link to 7news. Think sky news own them too
ttps://7news.com.au/sport/fifa-womens-world-cup/matildas-great-melissa-barbieri-launches-furious-attack-on-pm-albanese-over-football-funding-c-11545817
the link from her actual twitter. think sky owns them too
https://twitter.com/Bubs_11/status/1689083327721152512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1689083327721152512%7Ctwgr%5E82d15a62f591a8c0533a8a583275cde1e70f8d7a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwwos.nine.com.au%2Ffootball%2Ffifa-womens-world-cup-public-holiday-matildas-v-france-quarter-final-melissa-barbieri-column%2Ffffb7d14-6786-4f51-97b7-670d9597efd6
the link from nine, nine. pretty sure Sky owns them too
https://wwos.nine.com.au/football/fifa-womens-world-cup-public-holiday-matildas-v-france-quarter-final-melissa-barbieri-column/fffb7d14-6786-4f51-97b7-670d9597efd6
I could probably find something on the da guardian but i would rather not stoop that low to enter that site.
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Like Marxist Tiger has ever watched a minute of Sky News outside of the cherry picked out of context clips he's seen on Media Watch and leftist Get Up bot accounts on twatter. :shh
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Getting desperate if we're quoting and posting links from the crybaby clowns and losers at Sky News :lol :rollin.
Today showed how inept and pathetic Voldemort and the LNP are. Opposed half-price medications for the sake of opposing ::), yet had to pull their own motion in the Senate when no surprise they couldn't get the numbers :wallywink.
Sneezy Dwarf must go
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Like Marxist Tiger has ever watched a minute of Sky News outside of the cherry picked out of context clips he's seen on Media Watch and leftist Get Up bot accounts on twatter. :shh
The only Marx thing I've ever read, seen or followed in my life is from Groucho, Chico and Harpo ;D. I'm pro-science and a staunch defender of democracy and democratic institutions, and anti-Communism, anti-Fascism, anti-Monarchy, anti-Theocracy & anti-Military rule. Try again, Dio!
As for Sky News, outside of when Tom Connell was hosting and someone like Andrew Clennell (who as a reporter at least goes hard at both sides), the rest like Dean, Murray, Kenny, Bolt, Panahi, Credlin, Markson, Caleb Bond, etc are nothing but typical Murdoch political conservative cheerleading shrills and rejects who think without any qualifications or expertise they know more about complex subjects than professionals who actually work in these fields and have decades of experience and knowledge. Sorry, I don't listen to uneducated, unqualified muppets with big mouths and little brains unable to comprehend anything beyond simpleton binary concepts. Mind you they do provide comedic relief at times: Bolt not knowing what a probability graph is; Panahi not knowing the difference between Moscow & Vienna; Credlin not knowing where Sudanese migrants come from. LOL, what a bunch of feral idiots! :rollin
here is the link to 7news. Think sky news own them too
ttps://7news.com.au/sport/fifa-womens-world-cup/matildas-great-melissa-barbieri-launches-furious-attack-on-pm-albanese-over-football-funding-c-11545817
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I could probably find something on the da guardian but i would rather not stoop that low to enter that site.
The two Sky News articles posted weren't about the proposed national holiday if the Matildas win the World Cup but no surprise you've got it wrong again.
In any case, if the Matildas did go all the way, it would be one of the greatest sporting achievements in our nation's history. A national holiday would be far more relevant to the majority of us Aussies than a day off for some foreign monarch on the other side of world dying and us Aussies being forced into two weeks of fake mourning swamped by BS foreign monarchist propaganda in the media that we don't give a flying firetruck about :sleep.
Sneezy Dwarf must go
That's what we have elections for and the next one isn't until 2025. Labor won the last federal election, and the latest polls have the ALP leading 55-45/54-46 TPP and Albanese has almost double the approval as preferred PM as Voldemort. The majority decide who governs in a democracy; not a squealing sooky minority and their tantrums.
ps. LOL at that anti-vax & conspiracy cooker on youtube :lol. "Freedom in Australia ended in 2020" :wallywink. He/they must have missed the covid vaccine did its job and all us Aussies are freely going out and about doing what we please :thumbsup.
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Sneezy must go
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Like Marxist Tiger has ever watched a minute of Sky News outside of the cherry picked out of context clips he's seen on Media Watch and leftist Get Up bot accounts on twatter. :shh
The only Marx thing I've ever read, seen or followed in my life is from Groucho, Chico and Harpo ;D. I'm pro-science and a staunch defender of democracy and democratic institutions, and anti-Communism, anti-Fascism, anti-Monarchy, anti-Theocracy & anti-Military rule. Try again, Dio!
As for Sky News, outside of when Tom Connell was hosting and someone like Andrew Clennell (who as a reporter at least goes hard at both sides), the rest like Dean, Murray, Kenny, Bolt, Panahi, Credlin, Markson, Caleb Bond, etc are nothing but typical Murdoch political conservative cheerleading shrills and rejects who think without any qualifications or expertise they know more about complex subjects than professionals who actually work in these fields and have decades of experience and knowledge. Sorry, I don't listen to uneducated, unqualified muppets with big mouths and little brains unable to comprehend anything beyond simpleton binary concepts. Mind you they do provide comedic relief at times: Bolt not knowing what a probability graph is; Panahi not knowing the difference between Moscow & Vienna; Credlin not knowing where Sudanese migrants come from. LOL, what a bunch of feral idiots! :rollin
here is the link to 7news. Think sky news own them too
ttps://7news.com.au/sport/fifa-womens-world-cup/matildas-great-melissa-barbieri-launches-furious-attack-on-pm-albanese-over-football-funding-c-11545817
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I could probably find something on the da guardian but i would rather not stoop that low to enter that site.
The two Sky News articles posted weren't about the proposed national holiday if the Matildas win the World Cup but no surprise you've got it wrong again.
In any case, if the Matildas did go all the way, it would be one of the greatest sporting achievements in our nation's history. A national holiday would be far more relevant to the majority of us Aussies than a day off for some foreign monarch on the other side of world dying and us Aussies being forced into two weeks of fake mourning swamped by BS foreign monarchist propaganda in the media that we don't give a flying firetruck about :sleep.
Sneezy Dwarf must go
That's what we have elections for and the next one isn't until 2025. Labor won the last federal election, and the latest polls have the ALP leading 55-45/54-46 TPP and Albanese has almost double the approval as preferred PM as Voldemort. The majority decide who governs in a democracy; not a squealing sooky minority and their tantrums.
ps. LOL at that anti-vax & conspiracy cooker on youtube :lol. "Freedom in Australia ended in 2020" :wallywink. He/they must have missed the covid vaccine did its job and all us Aussies are freely going out and about doing what we please :thumbsup.
of course it wasnt'. Never mind the fact that fox sports had the word public holiday in it.
clearly you have learning difficulties, but to assist you in your time of need the title reads like this
Fund our f***ing sport’: Ex-Matilda’s vicious Albo attack after ‘freaking public holiday’ call
give it up pal.
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Like Marxist Tiger has ever watched a minute of Sky News outside of the cherry picked out of context clips he's seen on Media Watch and leftist Get Up bot accounts on twatter. :shh
The only Marx thing I've ever read, seen or followed in my life is from Groucho, Chico and Harpo ;D. I'm pro-science and a staunch defender of democracy and democratic institutions, and anti-Communism, anti-Fascism, anti-Monarchy, anti-Theocracy & anti-Military rule. Try again, Dio!
As for Sky News, outside of when Tom Connell was hosting and someone like Andrew Clennell (who as a reporter at least goes hard at both sides), the rest like Dean, Murray, Kenny, Bolt, Panahi, Credlin, Markson, Caleb Bond, etc are nothing but typical Murdoch political conservative cheerleading shrills and rejects who think without any qualifications or expertise they know more about complex subjects than professionals who actually work in these fields and have decades of experience and knowledge. Sorry, I don't listen to uneducated, unqualified muppets with big mouths and little brains unable to comprehend anything beyond simpleton binary concepts. Mind you they do provide comedic relief at times: Bolt not knowing what a probability graph is; Panahi not knowing the difference between Moscow & Vienna; Credlin not knowing where Sudanese migrants come from. LOL, what a bunch of feral idiots! :rollin
here is the link to 7news. Think sky news own them too
ttps://7news.com.au/sport/fifa-womens-world-cup/matildas-great-melissa-barbieri-launches-furious-attack-on-pm-albanese-over-football-funding-c-11545817
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I could probably find something on the da guardian but i would rather not stoop that low to enter that site.
The two Sky News articles posted weren't about the proposed national holiday if the Matildas win the World Cup but no surprise you've got it wrong again.
In any case, if the Matildas did go all the way, it would be one of the greatest sporting achievements in our nation's history. A national holiday would be far more relevant to the majority of us Aussies than a day off for some foreign monarch on the other side of world dying and us Aussies being forced into two weeks of fake mourning swamped by BS foreign monarchist propaganda in the media that we don't give a flying firetruck about :sleep.
Sneezy Dwarf must go
That's what we have elections for and the next one isn't until 2025. Labor won the last federal election, and the latest polls have the ALP leading 55-45/54-46 TPP and Albanese has almost double the approval as preferred PM as Voldemort. The majority decide who governs in a democracy; not a squealing sooky minority and their tantrums.
ps. LOL at that anti-vax & conspiracy cooker on youtube :lol. "Freedom in Australia ended in 2020" :wallywink. He/they must have missed the covid vaccine did its job and all us Aussies are freely going out and about doing what we please :thumbsup.
of course it wasnt'. Never mind the fact that fox sports had the word public holiday in it.
clearly you have learning difficulties, but to assist you in your time of need the title reads like this
Fund our f***ing sport’: Ex-Matilda’s vicious Albo attack after ‘freaking public holiday’ call
give it up pal.
Sneezy must go
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Like Marxist Tiger has ever watched a minute of Sky News outside of the cherry picked out of context clips he's seen on Media Watch and leftist Get Up bot accounts on twatter. :shh
The only Marx thing I've ever read, seen or followed in my life is from Groucho, Chico and Harpo ;D. I'm pro-science and a staunch defender of democracy and democratic institutions, and anti-Communism, anti-Fascism, anti-Monarchy, anti-Theocracy & anti-Military rule. Try again, Dio!
As for Sky News, outside of when Tom Connell was hosting and someone like Andrew Clennell (who as a reporter at least goes hard at both sides), the rest like Dean, Murray, Kenny, Bolt, Panahi, Credlin, Markson, Caleb Bond, etc are nothing but typical Murdoch political conservative cheerleading shrills and rejects who think without any qualifications or expertise they know more about complex subjects than professionals who actually work in these fields and have decades of experience and knowledge. Sorry, I don't listen to uneducated, unqualified muppets with big mouths and little brains unable to comprehend anything beyond simpleton binary concepts. Mind you they do provide comedic relief at times: Bolt not knowing what a probability graph is; Panahi not knowing the difference between Moscow & Vienna; Credlin not knowing where Sudanese migrants come from. LOL, what a bunch of feral idiots! :rollin
here is the link to 7news. Think sky news own them too
ttps://7news.com.au/sport/fifa-womens-world-cup/matildas-great-melissa-barbieri-launches-furious-attack-on-pm-albanese-over-football-funding-c-11545817
...
I could probably find something on the da guardian but i would rather not stoop that low to enter that site.
The two Sky News articles posted weren't about the proposed national holiday if the Matildas win the World Cup but no surprise you've got it wrong again.
In any case, if the Matildas did go all the way, it would be one of the greatest sporting achievements in our nation's history. A national holiday would be far more relevant to the majority of us Aussies than a day off for some foreign monarch on the other side of world dying and us Aussies being forced into two weeks of fake mourning swamped by BS foreign monarchist propaganda in the media that we don't give a flying firetruck about :sleep.
Sneezy Dwarf must go
That's what we have elections for and the next one isn't until 2025. Labor won the last federal election, and the latest polls have the ALP leading 55-45/54-46 TPP and Albanese has almost double the approval as preferred PM as Voldemort. The majority decide who governs in a democracy; not a squealing sooky minority and their tantrums.
ps. LOL at that anti-vax & conspiracy cooker on youtube :lol. "Freedom in Australia ended in 2020" :wallywink. He/they must have missed the covid vaccine did its job and all us Aussies are freely going out and about doing what we please :thumbsup.
:lol :lol :lol :joker :propeller
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Like Marxist Tiger has ever watched a minute of Sky News outside of the cherry picked out of context clips he's seen on Media Watch and leftist Get Up bot accounts on twatter. :shh
The only Marx thing I've ever read, seen or followed in my life is from Groucho, Chico and Harpo ;D. I'm pro-science and a staunch defender of democracy and democratic institutions, and anti-Communism, anti-Fascism, anti-Monarchy, anti-Theocracy & anti-Military rule. Try again, Dio!
As for Sky News, outside of when Tom Connell was hosting and someone like Andrew Clennell (who as a reporter at least goes hard at both sides), the rest like Dean, Murray, Kenny, Bolt, Panahi, Credlin, Markson, Caleb Bond, etc are nothing but typical Murdoch political conservative cheerleading shrills and rejects who think without any qualifications or expertise they know more about complex subjects than professionals who actually work in these fields and have decades of experience and knowledge. Sorry, I don't listen to uneducated, unqualified muppets with big mouths and little brains unable to comprehend anything beyond simpleton binary concepts. Mind you they do provide comedic relief at times: Bolt not knowing what a probability graph is; Panahi not knowing the difference between Moscow & Vienna; Credlin not knowing where Sudanese migrants come from. LOL, what a bunch of feral idiots! :rollin
here is the link to 7news. Think sky news own them too
ttps://7news.com.au/sport/fifa-womens-world-cup/matildas-great-melissa-barbieri-launches-furious-attack-on-pm-albanese-over-football-funding-c-11545817
...
I could probably find something on the da guardian but i would rather not stoop that low to enter that site.
The two Sky News articles posted weren't about the proposed national holiday if the Matildas win the World Cup but no surprise you've got it wrong again.
In any case, if the Matildas did go all the way, it would be one of the greatest sporting achievements in our nation's history. A national holiday would be far more relevant to the majority of us Aussies than a day off for some foreign monarch on the other side of world dying and us Aussies being forced into two weeks of fake mourning swamped by BS foreign monarchist propaganda in the media that we don't give a flying firetruck about :sleep.
Sneezy Dwarf must go
That's what we have elections for and the next one isn't until 2025. Labor won the last federal election, and the latest polls have the ALP leading 55-45/54-46 TPP and Albanese has almost double the approval as preferred PM as Voldemort. The majority decide who governs in a democracy; not a squealing sooky minority and their tantrums.
ps. LOL at that anti-vax & conspiracy cooker on youtube :lol. "Freedom in Australia ended in 2020" :wallywink. He/they must have missed the covid vaccine did its job and all us Aussies are freely going out and about doing what we please :thumbsup.
:lol :lol :lol
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Like Marxist Tiger has ever watched a minute of Sky News outside of the cherry picked out of context clips he's seen on Media Watch and leftist Get Up bot accounts on twatter. :shh
The only Marx thing I've ever read, seen or followed in my life is from Groucho, Chico and Harpo ;D. I'm pro-science and a staunch defender of democracy and democratic institutions, and anti-Communism, anti-Fascism, anti-Monarchy, anti-Theocracy & anti-Military rule. Try again, Dio!
As for Sky News, outside of when Tom Connell was hosting and someone like Andrew Clennell (who as a reporter at least goes hard at both sides), the rest like Dean, Murray, Kenny, Bolt, Panahi, Credlin, Markson, Caleb Bond, etc are nothing but typical Murdoch political conservative cheerleading shrills and rejects who think without any qualifications or expertise they know more about complex subjects than professionals who actually work in these fields and have decades of experience and knowledge. Sorry, I don't listen to uneducated, unqualified muppets with big mouths and little brains unable to comprehend anything beyond simpleton binary concepts. Mind you they do provide comedic relief at times: Bolt not knowing what a probability graph is; Panahi not knowing the difference between Moscow & Vienna; Credlin not knowing where Sudanese migrants come from. LOL, what a bunch of feral idiots! :rollin
here is the link to 7news. Think sky news own them too
ttps://7news.com.au/sport/fifa-womens-world-cup/matildas-great-melissa-barbieri-launches-furious-attack-on-pm-albanese-over-football-funding-c-11545817
...
I could probably find something on the da guardian but i would rather not stoop that low to enter that site.
The two Sky News articles posted weren't about the proposed national holiday if the Matildas win the World Cup but no surprise you've got it wrong again.
In any case, if the Matildas did go all the way, it would be one of the greatest sporting achievements in our nation's history. A national holiday would be far more relevant to the majority of us Aussies than a day off for some foreign monarch on the other side of world dying and us Aussies being forced into two weeks of fake mourning swamped by BS foreign monarchist propaganda in the media that we don't give a flying firetruck about :sleep.
Sneezy Dwarf must go
That's what we have elections for and the next one isn't until 2025. Labor won the last federal election, and the latest polls have the ALP leading 55-45/54-46 TPP and Albanese has almost double the approval as preferred PM as Voldemort. The majority decide who governs in a democracy; not a squealing sooky minority and their tantrums.
ps. LOL at that anti-vax & conspiracy cooker on youtube :lol. "Freedom in Australia ended in 2020" :wallywink. He/they must have missed the covid vaccine did its job and all us Aussies are freely going out and about doing what we please :thumbsup.
of course it wasnt'. Never mind the fact that fox sports had the word public holiday in it.
clearly you have learning difficulties, but to assist you in your time of need the title reads like this
Fund our f***ing sport’: Ex-Matilda’s vicious Albo attack after ‘freaking public holiday’ call
give it up pal.
Despite all being owned by News Corp, Foxsports is a different website (which about sport) to the Sky News website. As is News.com.au is a different website for that matter. I was talking about the TWO Sky News links posted (regarding Brittany Higgins & the Voice to Parliament). You might want to learn to read next time ::).
By the way, the Matildas last night had the highest TV ratings in over 20 years. This Matildas' run in the Women's World Cup is a once in a generation event and is uniting the nation behind it :thumbsup. Only LNP sooks don't understand the gravitas of this moment if the Matildas go all the way.
Of course, your LNP's irrelevant foreign monarchy will be against our Aussie Matildas winning on Wednesday night. Yeah, it's great to have an anti-Australian foreign monarchy as our head of state - NOT! ::) :thumbsdown
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So you're saying Albo is wonderful?
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So you're saying Albo is wonderful?
Must go
Turmoil brewing
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Mark Latham a scapegoat?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/nsw/mark-latham-pushed-out-as-leader-of-one-nation-nsw-division-20230814-p5dwcu.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/nsw/mark-latham-pushed-out-as-leader-of-one-nation-nsw-division-20230814-p5dwcu.html)
Mark Latham has labelled his axing as NSW One Nation leader as a “bizarre” takeover by Pauline Hanson, saying the federal party leader acted without following due process.
Hanson went public on Monday afternoon with Latham’s removal, which he blamed on the party’s reduced overall vote in the March state election.
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Mark Latham a scapegoat?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/nsw/mark-latham-pushed-out-as-leader-of-one-nation-nsw-division-20230814-p5dwcu.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/nsw/mark-latham-pushed-out-as-leader-of-one-nation-nsw-division-20230814-p5dwcu.html)
Mark Latham has labelled his axing as NSW One Nation leader as a “bizarre” takeover by Pauline Hanson, saying the federal party leader acted without following due process.
Hanson went public on Monday afternoon with Latham’s removal, which he blamed on the party’s reduced overall vote in the March state election.
He’s just an absolute goose of a human being and can’t lie straight in bed.
Trying to remember which party he was leader of , can you help out with that one 1965? Or MT even?
Was a really sad time in Australian politics when a peanut like Latham was a leader.
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Lmao you could see that falling out coming a mile away :shh
Latham's an arseclown - but still would've been the first true Labor(sic) PM since Chifley....:shh :shh
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He's the only educated person that can string a sentence together in that party. No NSW presence in parliament until he came on board either.
Weird decision by her. I like how loose he is
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A Latham government would've been awesome to see just for sheer entertainment value if nothing else.......:shh
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His book is worth a read, shines a light on MT and 65s heroes....:shh
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another one of their heroes and his stupid public holiday prediction. :stupid
even comrad had more brains to not even entertain the thought, until you know it actually happened
stuffin idiot.
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another one of their heroes and his stupid public holiday prediction. :stupid
even comrad had more brains to not even entertain the thought, until you know it actually happened
stuffin idiot.
Simply has to go. :shh
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Sneazy must go
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Sneazy must go
Got to go old Sneezy
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Does comrade Dan truly think the head gear and high vis nonsense is necessary??
Every second press conference you would think the fool was pouring concrete and getting in amongst it with the working men
Fraud
https://fb.watch/mvdPEXBxU4/?mibextid=v7YzmG
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So you're saying Albo is wonderful?
I wouldn't call any pollie "wonderful" :snidegrin.
Early days but 18 months in, Albanese's government is making progress after inheriting the trainwreck of the past decade under the say no to everything and do-nothing LNP. Inflation is trending down, wage growth is now matching inflation, and they achieved the first surplus in 15 years beginning the process of eating into the LNP's trillion dollar debt :shh.
Sneazy must go
Got to go old Sneezy
Not according to the latest Resolve Nine-Fairfax poll. ALP's primary vote up 4.4% since the last federal election and the LNP down 2.7%. That would be around 55-45 on TPP. Voldemort is electoral poison outside of Qld :shh.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3nfIzabgAElCwP?format=jpg&name=large)
Does comrade Dan truly think the head gear and high vis nonsense is necessary??
Every second press conference you would think the fool was pouring concrete and getting in amongst it with the working men
Fraud
https://fb.watch/mvdPEXBxU4/?mibextid=v7YzmG
It's compulsory to wear a hard hat and high vis when visiting a construction worksite. All sides of politics do it too.
ps. this though is pretty hard to top for being a clueless fraud :lol :shh.
(https://media.tenor.com/7MXJEPi-iagAAAAM/scomo-scomo-welding.gif)
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Worth revisiting this to put things into perspective
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-could-lose-35-seats-as-millennials-gen-z-reshape-politics-20230628-p5dk2y.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-could-lose-35-seats-as-millennials-gen-z-reshape-politics-20230628-p5dk2y.html)
The Coalition could lose the next six elections because Millennials and Generation Z voters aren’t shifting towards conservatives as they get older, prompting five Liberal MPs to urge the party to transform its relationship with younger Australians.
New analysis of voting trends by the Liberal-leaning Centre for Independents Studies has found that by the time people reached their early 50s, Baby Boomers (people born between 1946 and 1964) and Generation X (1965-1980) were more likely to vote for a conservative party than a progressive party.
But that trend is not being repeated among voters who are Millennials (1981-1995) or Generation Z (1996-2009). The percentage of Millennials shifting their vote to the Coalition is only increasing by 0.6 per cent at each election – half the speed at which Boomers and Gen Xers are shifting – which means Millennials will be in their 80s, rather than their 50s, before they are more likely to vote for the Coalition.
And for Generation Z, who were first eligible to vote in a federal election from 2014, support for the Coalition is falling, rather than increasing. This group is the least likely of any post-war generation to support the Coalition.
More Millennials and Gen Zers voted for the Greens than the Coalition at the last election and projecting the current trends forward, the paper warns that by 2040 – when 70 per cent of voters will be from post-1980 generations – the Coalition could lose another 35 seats.
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Sneazy must go
Got to go old Sneezy
Sleazy must go
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Sneazy must go
Got to go old Sneezy
Sleazy must go
Must
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comm games payout 400 mil tax payer dollars. :shh
You know who I blame for this? Scomo.
As per resolve poll it's scomos doing.
Sleazy must go
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More trouble in potato paradise.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/senior-liberals-in-battle-for-top-senate-spot-20230820-p5dxz7.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/senior-liberals-in-battle-for-top-senate-spot-20230820-p5dxz7.html)
Two prominent Liberal frontbenchers will lock horns in a preselection contest that insiders warn could destabilise the party’s run into the next election.
In a move that will provoke fresh debate around female representation in the Coalition, Jane Hume, the opposition finance spokeswoman, has decided to run for the top position on the Victorian Senate ticket occupied by home affairs spokesman James Paterson.
A peace deal engineered by then prime minister and treasurer Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg before the 2019 election shielded Hume, one of the opposition’s top female MPs, from a challenge by conservative forces, cementing her No.2 position.
But Hume’s intention to vie for the top spot – confirmed by two party sources who could not speak publicly about preselections due to party rules – pits her moderate wing against the Victorian Right faction.
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Airbus Albo's Apartheid referendum vanity project headed for defeat meanwhile Labor (sic) Commie Left out of control trying to undermine AUKUS. Woke Wong betraying our Israeli allies to back in the Hamas terrorist scum against the only democracy in the Middle East....Orwellian proposals to control our speech under the cover of "fighting disinformation"....
The Lying Little Rabbitoh has got to go. :shh
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Albo has to go
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Overseen the most ideologically driven, economically illiterate, laughably stupid & criminally incompetent federal government since the dog days of Shytelam....just has to go... :shh
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has to
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Must go
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airbussleazy must depart.
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airbussleazy must depart.
Turmoil brewing
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/anthony-albanese-scores-pay-rise-as-pollies-get-huge-bump/news-story/c949f7349520608d15821a5defd42a91?amp
Flights are on Sneezy’s watch
Must go Sneezy
Absolute disgrace
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/anthony-albanese-scores-pay-rise-as-pollies-get-huge-bump/news-story/c949f7349520608d15821a5defd42a91?amp
Flights are on Sneezy’s watch
Must go Sneezy
Absolute disgrace
Airhead albo will come back to rue this decision.
How dumb must he be? Actually he is very, so I'm not at all surprised.
Anz , virgin, ACCC and basically any CEO with a basic level of intellect have all blasted this decision.
I was not surprised to see the word YES on all Qantas planes days after this decision :shh :shh
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/qatar-decision-hurts-competition-rod-sims-20230830-p5e0i9
Airhead must go
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"yes"
Sneezy must go
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Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum will be held on Saturday, October 14.
The question which will be put to Australian voters will require a Yes or No response to whether an Indigenous Voice to Parliament — which would act as an independent advisory body for First Nations people — should be enshrined in the country's constitution.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-30/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-referendum-date-announcement-live/102786994
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/anthony-albanese-scores-pay-rise-as-pollies-get-huge-bump/news-story/c949f7349520608d15821a5defd42a91?amp
Flights are on Sneezy’s watch
Must go Sneezy
Absolute disgrace
Notice no one from any side has knocked it back
Albo, Dutton and cast of others have all said the same thing "it's a independent tribunal who makes the decision"
Good god no one is disputing that just like none of them are knocking it back
Exactly the same thing that happened in Victoria....all of them got an increase all said "independent tribunal" but non knocked it back
but TBBH I wouldn't expect anything less
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/anthony-albanese-scores-pay-rise-as-pollies-get-huge-bump/news-story/c949f7349520608d15821a5defd42a91?amp
Flights are on Sneezy’s watch
Must go Sneezy
Absolute disgrace
Notice no one from any side has knocked it back
Albo, Dutton and cast of others have all said the same thing "it's a independent tribunal who makes the decision"
Good god no one is disputing that just like none of them are knocking it back
Exactly the same thing that happened in Victoria....all of them got an increase all said "independent tribunal" but non knocked it back
but TBBH I wouldn't expect anything less
I didn’t comment on the pay rise
I commented on the absurd amount of flights to Avalon .. complete joke
Must go sneezy
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Airbus Albo's position becoming increasingly untenable by the day - simply has to go....#savethenation #sackalbo :shh
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I didn’t comment on the pay rise
I commented on the absurd amount of flights to Avalon .. complete joke
Must go sneezy
But the majority of the article your link went to was about the obscene pay increase ;D
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Airbus Albo simply must go
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I didn’t comment on the pay rise
I commented on the absurd amount of flights to Avalon .. complete joke
Must go sneezy
But the majority of the article your link went to was about the obscene pay increase ;D
There is 8 paragraphs about it
Not just a passing sentence
Sneezy must go
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I reckon they all should go and we should start again ;D
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I reckon they all should go and we should start again ;D
Never a truer word spoken
And speaking of politician pay rises
The PM is the most underpaid person in Australia
To think the PM gets paid less than blokes working in mines or doing fifo etc is absurd
Factor in the amounts CEOs in the big corporations get paid , and you wonder why we get imbeciles like Albo in charge .. the Aussie best are in the private sector earning real money
Lmao that Albo gets paid less than hundreds of AFL footballers .. how many Richmond players are on more than the PM?
If the PM got paid properly, we might get decent leaders … peanuts/monkeys
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Damo they get paid well very well. Especially when they retire :shh and we pay for it.
Anyway i dont see potato head wasting tax payers money on this voice at a time that can wait, as people are on their knees, then knocking back extra flights into the country making us pay more. Then watching best mate Joyce plonk YES on his planes.
Airhead albo must go first. Walk to the plank fruitloop.
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Damo they get paid well very well. Especially when they retire :shh and we pay for it.
Anyway i dont see potato head wasting tax payers money on this voice at a time that can wait, as people are on their knees, then knocking back extra flights into the country making us pay more. Then watching best mate Joyce plonk YES on his planes.
Airhead albo must go first. Walk to the plank fruitloop.
Mate, they get what 300-400k a year in retirement?
The top CEO’s get 10+ million a year.
30 years of retirement = a CEO salary annually
The high ranking CEO’s will earn more in 2yrs than a politician in a lifetime. And it isn’t close.
We need better than Sneezy .. it’s a shame we can’t headhunt the best of the best and vote that idiot in (whoever it is). It would be worth the money.
Sneezy must go.
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Damo they get paid well very well. Especially when they retire :shh and we pay for it.
Anyway i dont see potato head wasting tax payers money on this voice at a time that can wait, as people are on their knees, then knocking back extra flights into the country making us pay more. Then watching best mate Joyce plonk YES on his planes.
Airhead albo must go first. Walk to the plank fruitloop.
Mate, they get what 300-400k a year in retirement?
The top CEO’s get 10+ million a year.
30 years of retirement = a CEO salary annually
The high ranking CEO’s will earn more in 2yrs than a politician in a lifetime. And it isn’t close.
We need better than Sneezy .. it’s a shame we can’t headhunt the best of the best and vote that idiot in (whoever it is). It would be worth the money.
Sneezy must go.
Damo they are on par with other prime ministers, at least the UK wouldnt be on millions im sure of that
the top ceos who are good at their job do more in a day, than sleazy has done in his whole career. Lets be brutally honest here.
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Its like comparing dusty to richard lounder. Sleazy being lounder.
Time to go Sleaze.
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Damo they get paid well very well. Especially when they retire :shh and we pay for it.
Anyway i dont see potato head wasting tax payers money on this voice at a time that can wait, as people are on their knees, then knocking back extra flights into the country making us pay more. Then watching best mate Joyce plonk YES on his planes.
Airhead albo must go first. Walk to the plank fruitloop.
Mate, they get what 300-400k a year in retirement?
The top CEO’s get 10+ million a year.
30 years of retirement = a CEO salary annually
The high ranking CEO’s will earn more in 2yrs than a politician in a lifetime. And it isn’t close.
We need better than Sneezy .. it’s a shame we can’t headhunt the best of the best and vote that idiot in (whoever it is). It would be worth the money.
Sneezy must go.
Damo they are on par with other prime ministers, at least the UK wouldnt be on millions im sure of that
the top ceos who are good at their job do more in a day, than sleazy has done in his whole career. Lets be brutally honest here.
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Its like comparing dusty to richard lounder. Sleazy being lounder.
Time to go Sleaze.
You are making my point for me Frankie
We need the people that do more in a day leading the country .. the best of the best
Not the dropkicks we currently have
Would be great having the Dusty standard CEO leading the country
Sneezy is below Lounder btw, harsh on big Dick
Sneezy must go
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Damo they get paid well very well. Especially when they retire :shh and we pay for it.
Anyway i dont see potato head wasting tax payers money on this voice at a time that can wait, as people are on their knees, then knocking back extra flights into the country making us pay more. Then watching best mate Joyce plonk YES on his planes.
Airhead albo must go first. Walk to the plank fruitloop.
Mate, they get what 300-400k a year in retirement?
The top CEO’s get 10+ million a year.
30 years of retirement = a CEO salary annually
The high ranking CEO’s will earn more in 2yrs than a politician in a lifetime. And it isn’t close.
We need better than Sneezy .. it’s a shame we can’t headhunt the best of the best and vote that idiot in (whoever it is). It would be worth the money.
Sneezy must go.
Damo they are on par with other prime ministers, at least the UK wouldnt be on millions im sure of that
the top ceos who are good at their job do more in a day, than sleazy has done in his whole career. Lets be brutally honest here.
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Its like comparing dusty to richard lounder. Sleazy being lounder.
Time to go Sleaze.
You are making my point for me Frankie
We need the people that do more in a day leading the country .. the best of the best
Not the dropkicks we currently have
Would be great having the Dusty standard CEO leading the country
Sneezy is below Lounder btw, harsh on big Dick
Sneezy must go
:lol
true
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I reckon they all should go and we should start again ;D
Refer to the second quote in my sig. :shh
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I reckon they all should go and we should start again ;D
Refer to the second quote in my sig. :shh
He must go Dio
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He MUST go, enough is enough.
Has to go
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I'm gonna vote for Albo just to annoy you all :lol
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You're voting for him to go because we know that Sneazy must go :shh
Insert article
Must go
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I'm gonna vote for Albo just to annoy you all :lol
1965 will be thrilled to hear that
Doesn’t change the facts
Sneezy Dwarf must go
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I'm gonna vote for Albo just to annoy you all :lol
1965 will be thrilled to hear that
Doesn’t change the facts
Sneezy Dwarf must go
andy also loves andrews and pies. Bad judge of character.
both must go, but firstly Airhead albo must depart first.
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As if Andyyyyyyy was ever going to not vote ALP/Green - he's a public health worker ffs, that lot are almost as far gone as public educators....either way #GroundAirbus #AlboMustGo :shh
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As if Andyyyyyyy was ever going to not vote ALP/Green - he's a public health worker ffs, that lot are almost as far gone as public educators....either way #GroundAirbus #AlboMustGo :shh
Just has to go
#Albomustgo
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Enough is enough
Times up
Has to go
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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-splits-on-qantas-as-queensland-backs-virgin-qatar-20230903-p5e1lj
Finally someone with half a brain.
They thought scomo was bad cause he went to Hawaii :lol
The airhead is not only dumb, but he is also finished. Time to go.
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Can’t believe how short sighted Sneezy actually is
What an absolute fool
Times up
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I've given him the benefit of the doubt for a while now but I'm starting to believe it's time for him to go
Has to go. Now
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Cracks are appearing in the sneezy cabinet.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-turbulence-over-qatar-decision-grows-with-senate-inquiry-called-20230905-p5e229
The prime minister initially told parliament he spoke to Virgin boss Jayne Hrdlicka about the application before a decision was made; he later clarified it was after Transport Minister Catherine King had blocked the flights.
Surprised he didn't run with the I can't recall technique.
Fancy choosing Joyce over the Australian people.
Airhead Albo it's time to go pal
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1st PM to divide Australia based on race, needs to go
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1st PM to divide Australia based on race, needs to go
Must go .. it’s enough now
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#ApartheidAlbomustgo :shh
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1st PM to divide Australia based on race, needs to go
I know you love your cheeky quips and satire Chucky, but that comment is hilarious in its irony given the Australian Constitution was fundamentally built on dividing people based on race. The White Australia policy says hi!
The constitution refers to race several times, with Sections 25 and 51 (xxvi) specifically on the matter. Both sections have been enshrined in the Australian Constitution since 1901.
Then add that our head of state can only be a foreign Pommie monarch who lives on the other side of the planet while us Aussies of all ethnicities are banned; our pollies have to swear allegiance to this Pommie foreigner; the flag is a Pommie ensign with stars on it which still makes out we're some little subservient colony; and our supposed "national day" doesn't commemorate the actual anniversary of the birth of our nation (Jan 1, 1901), but instead the day the Poms arrived that no one outside Sydney gave a stuff about when I was growing up.
But apparently all this Pommie tug-fest doesn't put one 'race' that is now a minority above the rest of us, yet an advisory body to the parliament (the current costly failed top-down system which a 'No' vote will keep has failed Indigenous Aussies for decades), and correcting and acknowledging in the Constitution a simple fact that A&TSI people were here before the Poms arrived, will be the end of our lives and liberties as we know it :scared :chickenlittle. Funny, how this same hysterical crap was pumped out by the same monarchist/conservative faction of the LNP as well as the typical Murdoch shrills prior to Mabo and then again before the Apology, yet no one lost their backyards or livelihoods afterwards :wallywink and life carried on for the rest of us non-indigenous as usual.
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I know you love your cheeky quips and satire Chucky, but that comment is hilarious in its irony given the Australian Constitution was fundamentally built on dividing people based on race. The White Australia policy says hi!
The constitution refers to race several times, with Sections 25 and 51 (xxvi) specifically on the matter. Both sections have been enshrined in the Australian Constitution since 1901.
Then add that our head of state can only be a foreign Pommie monarch who lives on the other side of the planet while us Aussies of all ethnicities are banned; our pollies have to swear allegiance to this Pommie foreigner; the flag is a Pommie ensign with stars on it which still makes out we're some little subservient colony; and our supposed "national day" doesn't commemorate the actual anniversary of the birth of our nation (Jan 1, 1901), but instead the day the Poms arrived that no one outside Sydney gave a stuff about when I was growing up.
But apparently all this Pommie tug-fest doesn't put one 'race' that is now a minority above the rest of us, yet an advisory body to the parliament (the current costly failed top-down system which a 'No' vote will keep has failed Indigenous Aussies for decades), and correcting and acknowledging in the Constitution a simple fact that A&TSI people were here before the Poms arrived, will be the end of our lives and liberties as we know it :scared :chickenlittle. Funny, how this same hysterical crap was pumped out by the same monarchist/conservative faction of the LNP as well as the typical Murdoch shrills prior to Mabo and then again before the Apology, yet no one lost their backyards or livelihoods afterwards :wallywink and life carried on for the rest of us non-indigenous as usual.
Spot on about our constitution MT.
I think people forget it is only 56 years ago that we changed our constitution to ensure Indigenous Australians were counted as part of the population. Up until that point they hadn't been. That referendum passed with over 90% being in favour. There wasn't fear back then and I will confess I struggle to understand why there is such fear now.
I say this alot but do your own research and make your own choice.
People are free to vote how they want on October 14th, it is the great thing about living in a democracy.
But it is incredibly sad how this referendum has been politicised by all sides of politics, the media and alike
Call me naive but this shouldn't be about politics. Just like the plebiscite and parliamentary vote we had on same sex marriage should not have been about politics but for some it became about politics.
Referendums should never be about politics and shame on those who have and continue to make it that way
Australia used to be so much better than that
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:lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol :lol :lol
#ApartheidAlbo #MustGo #VoteNo
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(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.196%2C$multiply_0.9788%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_168%2C$y_181/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/99873e11dd98540dc7488e3ced80335f5d0e7848)
LMAO - have a go at this joke of "leader" sitting like a 12 year old girl busting for a pee....what an embarrassing excuse for a man....living proof we're at the weak men creating hard times phase of this cycle of history.......#ApartheidAlbo #MustGo. :shh
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LMAO
Must go
Just has to go … if there wasn’t enough reasons slapping us in the face , then that photo has solidified it .. I’m sure his drink of choice is organic camomile with a soy/almond milk mix
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LOL at the LNP fanbois suddenly being triggered by a still photo that's six months old :scared :chickenlittle :wallywink.
That's the Indian president Droupadi Murmu by the way. So, it was a ceremonial meeting. Most countries have their own head of state :shh.
Of course, we can compare Albanese who world leaders want to meet to old 'no friends' Scotty :snidegrin.
(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/6160c0cf0c70fa8043f8a0a097c73674)
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I know you love your cheeky quips and satire Chucky, but that comment is hilarious in its irony given the Australian Constitution was fundamentally built on dividing people based on race. The White Australia policy says hi!
The constitution refers to race several times, with Sections 25 and 51 (xxvi) specifically on the matter. Both sections have been enshrined in the Australian Constitution since 1901.
Then add that our head of state can only be a foreign Pommie monarch who lives on the other side of the planet while us Aussies of all ethnicities are banned; our pollies have to swear allegiance to this Pommie foreigner; the flag is a Pommie ensign with stars on it which still makes out we're some little subservient colony; and our supposed "national day" doesn't commemorate the actual anniversary of the birth of our nation (Jan 1, 1901), but instead the day the Poms arrived that no one outside Sydney gave a stuff about when I was growing up.
But apparently all this Pommie tug-fest doesn't put one 'race' that is now a minority above the rest of us, yet an advisory body to the parliament (the current costly failed top-down system which a 'No' vote will keep has failed Indigenous Aussies for decades), and correcting and acknowledging in the Constitution a simple fact that A&TSI people were here before the Poms arrived, will be the end of our lives and liberties as we know it :scared :chickenlittle. Funny, how this same hysterical crap was pumped out by the same monarchist/conservative faction of the LNP as well as the typical Murdoch shrills prior to Mabo and then again before the Apology, yet no one lost their backyards or livelihoods afterwards :wallywink and life carried on for the rest of us non-indigenous as usual.
Spot on about our constitution MT.
I think people forget it is only 56 years ago that we changed our constitution to ensure Indigenous Australians were counted as part of the population. Up until that point they hadn't been. That referendum passed with over 90% being in favour. There wasn't fear back then and I will confess I struggle to understand why there is such fear now.
I say this alot but do your own research and make your own choice.
People are free to vote how they want on October 14th, it is the great thing about living in a democracy.
But it is incredibly sad how this referendum has been politicised by all sides of politics, the media and alike
Call me naive but this shouldn't be about politics. Just like the plebiscite and parliamentary vote we had on same sex marriage should not have been about politics but for some it became about politics.
Referendums should never be about politics and shame on those who have and continue to make it that way
Australia used to be so much better than that
I feel sorry for Ken Wyatt, who was the former Minister for Indigenous Australians in the previous LNP government. They clearly just played him and his efforts with empty promises because it was politically expedient to do so while they were in power. Now he's gone and the LNP is in opposition, they have flipped and now oppose everything once again just to play politics. As you say WP, there are issues like this that should be above politics. It's the failure on energy policy and climate denialism all over again, and it is Australia and its people who are held back for at least another decade or more and pay for it in the long run :thumbsdown.
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:lol :lol :lol
#ApartheidAlbo #mustgo
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They can make up what they want but the fact is Albo must go
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Polls must be going well to bring up climate change and fear :lol
apartairhead Albo must go
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They can make up what they want but the fact is Albo must go
At the end of the day, this is all that matters
Must go
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Polls must be going well to bring up climate change and fear :lol
apartairhead Albo must go
Getting their team of arsonists ready for the summer and cooking up the latest covid "variant"... :shh
#groundtheairbus #apartheidalbo #ccpquisling #treason #mustgo
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https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/albanese-paying-the-price-as-support-for-the-voice-continues-to-sink-in-the-polls/video/9d2b1d2efd68173d257de36d4699e0cc
Turmoil
Must go old Sneezy
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Can't wait for the inevitable & almighty tantrum from the assorted rabble of the left when the No vote gets up and all caused by Airbus for no good reason but his own vanity. :shh #ApartheidAlbo #MustGo
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https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/albanese-paying-the-price-as-support-for-the-voice-continues-to-sink-in-the-polls/video/9d2b1d2efd68173d257de36d4699e0cc
Turmoil
Must go old Sneezy
Its time for to bring out the big guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97IiPli_uXw
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https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/albanese-paying-the-price-as-support-for-the-voice-continues-to-sink-in-the-polls/video/9d2b1d2efd68173d257de36d4699e0cc
Turmoil
Must go old Sneezy
Its time for to bring out the big guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97IiPli_uXw
Good old Dennis Denuto
Got Albo covered lol
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Last night it was a text from the WA Liberals (at 10.35pm)
Just now it was text from Jacinta Price
The "No" campaign taking a leaf out of Clive Palmer's election book
:lol
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Except they'll actually win... :shh #ApartheidAlbomustgo
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Except they'll actually win... :shh #ApartheidAlbomustgo
Was talking about the result was simply referring to the method
And I really wish someone would explain this supposed "apartheid" logic to me
Without the hysterics, abuse, logically and rationally explain people's reasoning
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Apartheid Albo needs to go, WP
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Apartheid Albo needs to go, WP
That’s crystal clear now AT
Nothing surer
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Except they'll actually win... :shh #ApartheidAlbomustgo
Was talking about the result was simply referring to the method
And I really wish someone would explain this supposed "apartheid" logic to me
Without the hysterics, logically, abuse and rationally explain people's reasoning
It's made-up self-interest political BS pushed by the dominant radical "conservative" wing of the LNP and their cheerleaders in the media.
No referendum in Australian history has succeeded without bipartisan support. So, if you want to kill it, just oppose it! Remember the idea of a Voice to Parliament was conceived in 2017 when the LNP was in government and Ken Wyatt was the minister for Aboriginal Australians. For 5 years, there was mostly bipartisanship and we heard nothing about it introducing crap like "apartheid" and "divisiveness", but as soon as the LNP end up in opposition all of sudden it will ::). As I've said, I feel sorry for Wyatt and a few others in the LNP who Dutton and the other lying lowlifes just played for 5 years and then backstabbed.
Add also to the self-interest list, a certain high-profile individual of the No campaign wanting after the referendum to be parachuted into Marise Payne's now vacant NSW Liberal Senate seat with its six-year $200k+ p.a. salary plus perks. He couldn't win a seat on merit himself from the people at an election, so he needs the LNP to gift him a spot in parliament. The same individual who tweeted just the other day that Aboriginal people shouldn't be seeking government money after he received a large grant from his mates in the previous LNP govt for his TV program ::). I guess when people are willing to dump their wife after 26 years, who also raised 7 kids for them, to marry someone else for political opportunism, they'd say and do anything for $$$ including selling out their own stock.
Anyway, it's the hypocrisy of the "apartheid" claims that is as dumb as it is hilarious. Under the current system we have an:
- Anglo monarchy as unelected head of state.
- Anglo flag.
- Anglo settlement day (made up in the mid 90s).
Hmmm ... there's a common theme there but it ain't that all ethnic groups are seen as equal and nor that we're all equally proudly Australian. Yet, those that bow down like inferior dogs to this foreign crap, like Dutton does, are running around as usual trying to tell us the sky will fall in if a yes vote were to succeed :scared :chickenlittle :wallywink.
If this referendum fails, it won't affect me. So, no tantrums from me unlike the LNP fanbois who haven't stopped having them since their side has lost election after election :shh. I'm a "white" (nice I guess to be promoted from "olive complexion" when I was a kid :whistle), middle-aged male. I'll just be disappointed that an opportunity to try and make a real difference will be lost for another generation of indigenous Aussies, and the current costly failed top-down system that has failed indigenous Aussies for decades continues as Dutton and the No side clearly want and will solely own after Oct. 14.
ps. LOL at the irony of the LNP fanbois, who are clueless about what is in the constitution and didn't know that sections regarding race have been in our constitution since it was enacted in 1901, bringing up Dennis Denuto and The Castle. Yeah because Dutton, Hanson, Murdoch, Reinhart, Palmer, Credlin and co. are the real little Aussie battlers :wallywink. Hello, own goal! :lol
pps. LOL also at the group think of continually parroting phrases and posting of links directly from Sky News and from idiots like political chief of failure Credlin who can't even read a world map :lol. Of course, this is also partly a not so subtle sook and tantrum because some didn't get their own way in this thread :shh.
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So I take it you agree MT?
Albo must go ?
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MT, I understand everything you've said
But what I was trying to get from the NO case side of things is how they've come up with this referendum being about Australia's Apartheid moment
I know this was first perpetrated by Andrew " the stolen generation was a lie" Bolt but the legs it has grown has truly baffled me. First it was Bolt, then Pauline Hanson, Jacinta Price and the other bloke whose name I refuse to mention and now it is bordering on a tsunami
We have a constitution that was written with clear racial divisions in it and that we've ignored for years. I'd suggest as a nation we have never been more divided and yet people have jumped on this Apartheid rhetoric claiming that voting yes will end our world as we know it and create some sort of Apartheid in Australia
If people actually believe it then I'd like someone to explain the hows and whys.
Forget the constant "Albo must go" and "Apartheid Albo must go" trolling and just as I asked earlier explain it without the hysterics, abuse just logically and rationally explain it. How can the voice lead to Apartheid in Australia
Personally as it stands right now I cannot see the referendum succeeding. Like you MT if it fails it won't affect me. But I will be disappointed. But life will go on, division's will remain but life will indeed go on. Just like it will if by some miracle the referendum gets up.
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The other imbecile posts rubbish links ad nauseam for years
Finally we get jack of it and respond and it’s “trolling”
Guess it depends which side people are on lol
Regardless , Anthony Albanese is an absolute disgrace and he must go .. if this yes/no debate can help facilitate that, it would be fantastic
This behaviour pre election is why I’ve never liked the man .. and it isn’t relevant which party he is from .. it’s because he is weak as pee as a man
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/federal-election/analysis/answer-the-question-anthony-albaneses-reckoning/news-story/3dcdd9f2b35f6f3048c65f2bdd4456a8?amp&nk=4a5e0cd36213d2c2bb15569efc899bc5-1694606244
He can skull schooners to try and impress .. but just because it worked for Bob Hawke, doesn’t mean it works for nerdy Sneezy Dwarf
He’s WEAK
Will be lovely when this imposter is gone
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The other imbecile posts rubbish links ad nauseam for years
Finally we get jack of it and respond and it’s “trolling”
Guess it depends which side people are on lol
It's so utterly pathetic isn't it - over a decade of his blatant crap and the ALP trained parrot is still totally not a spamming troll according to WP with any post that calls it out still getting deleted - but it's taken barely a month for WP himself to cry "trolling" against comments from the other side...the toxic environment that the left and the likes of #apartheidalbo have created in this country and just more proof that he must go.... :shh
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Albo must go, has to go. Anyone that defends him is a trolling ALP fanboi
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In England (Port Isaac ATM).
Will respond early Oct when I'm back home.
65
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In England (Port Isaac ATM).
Will respond early Oct when I'm back home.
65
Gee, we can hardly wait
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The other imbecile posts rubbish links ad nauseam for years
Finally we get jack of it and respond and it’s “trolling”
Guess it depends which side people are on lol
It's so utterly pathetic isn't it - over a decade of his blatant crap and the ALP trained parrot is still totally not a spamming troll according to WP with any post that calls it out still getting deleted - but it's taken barely a month for WP himself to cry "trolling" against comments from the other side...the toxic environment that the left and the likes of #apartheidalbo have created in this country and just more proof that he must go.... :shh
I used the term trolling because you Dio have been calling out other posts as trolling for the last I don't know, what 4+ years when we whether we like it or not ( and I don't BTW because they add nothing) they actually don't break the rules.
Yes they're bloody annoying but they don't actually break the rules. Posting an article with a link isn't a rule breaker
BTW you may not have noticed that not one of yours, Damo's, Frankie's or AT's "Albo must go" have been removed. Why? Because they don't break the rules.
I used the term to hopefully get a clear response and explanation to this so called Apartheid wave we are facing but sadly it looks like no one has the courage to give their reasoning.
It is really unfortunate that with this referendum coming up and considering its significance there has been no real, honest debate or discussion about it on this thread.
IMHO this used to be great thread but over the last few years the great discussions and debate have been lost. It is one of the reasons I rarely post in it.
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The other imbecile posts rubbish links ad nauseam for years
Finally we get jack of it and respond and it’s “trolling”
Guess it depends which side people are on lol
It's so utterly pathetic isn't it - over a decade of his blatant crap and the ALP trained parrot is still totally not a spamming troll according to WP with any post that calls it out still getting deleted - but it's taken barely a month for WP himself to cry "trolling" against comments from the other side...the toxic environment that the left and the likes of #apartheidalbo have created in this country and just more proof that he must go.... :shh
I used the term trolling because you Dio have been calling out other posts as trolling for the last I don't know, what 4+ years when we whether we like it or not ( and I don't BTW because they add nothing) they actually don't break the rules.
Yes they're bloody annoying but they don't actually break the rules. Posting an article with a link isn't a rule breaker
BTW you may not have noticed that not one of yours, Damo's, Frankie's or AT's "Albo must go" have been removed. Why? Because they don't break the rules.
I used the term to hopefully get a clear response and explanation to this so called Apartheid wave we are facing but sadly it looks like no one has the courage to give their reasoning.
It is really unfortunate that with this referendum coming up and considering its significance there has been no real, honest debate or discussion about it on this thread.
IMHO this used to be great thread but over the last few years the great discussions and debate have been lost. It is one of the reasons I rarely post in it.
Yep agreed.
You can't have any opinion here without being ridiculed. There's no decent debate in good faith.
Has become just a silly troll thread for deep set allegiance completely devoid of discussion.
It's a shame because personally I am really on the fence about the voice and would welcome some constructive conversation since I don't know what to do with my vote yet.
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The other imbecile posts rubbish links ad nauseam for years
Finally we get jack of it and respond and it’s “trolling”
Guess it depends which side people are on lol
It's so utterly pathetic isn't it - over a decade of his blatant crap and the ALP trained parrot is still totally not a spamming troll according to WP with any post that calls it out still getting deleted - but it's taken barely a month for WP himself to cry "trolling" against comments from the other side...the toxic environment that the left and the likes of #apartheidalbo have created in this country and just more proof that he must go.... :shh
I used the term trolling because you Dio have been calling out other posts as trolling for the last I don't know, what 4+ years when we whether we like it or not ( and I don't BTW because they add nothing) they actually don't break the rules.
Yes they're bloody annoying but they don't actually break the rules. Posting an article with a link isn't a rule breaker
BTW you may not have noticed that not one of yours, Damo's, Frankie's or AT's "Albo must go" have been removed. Why? Because they don't break the rules.
I used the term to hopefully get a clear response and explanation to this so called Apartheid wave we are facing but sadly it looks like no one has the courage to give their reasoning.
It is really unfortunate that with this referendum coming up and considering its significance there has been no real, honest debate or discussion about it on this thread.
IMHO this used to be great thread but over the last few years the great discussions and debate have been lost. It is one of the reasons I rarely post in it.
You pick and choose when to use the term WP.
That is a fact unfortunately.
Plenty of other troll posts on here go unnoticed not that I give a stuff either way :shh
It doesn't change the fact that the airhead must go, and go now. He is splitting a country and now he has split the thread, something not even comrade managed to do.
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The other imbecile posts rubbish links ad nauseam for years
Finally we get jack of it and respond and it’s “trolling”
Guess it depends which side people are on lol
It's so utterly pathetic isn't it - over a decade of his blatant crap and the ALP trained parrot is still totally not a spamming troll according to WP with any post that calls it out still getting deleted - but it's taken barely a month for WP himself to cry "trolling" against comments from the other side...the toxic environment that the left and the likes of #apartheidalbo have created in this country and just more proof that he must go.... :shh
I used the term trolling because you Dio have been calling out other posts as trolling for the last I don't know, what 4+ years when we whether we like it or not ( and I don't BTW because they add nothing) they actually don't break the rules.
Yes they're bloody annoying but they don't actually break the rules. Posting an article with a link isn't a rule breaker
BTW you may not have noticed that not one of yours, Damo's, Frankie's or AT's "Albo must go" have been removed. Why? Because they don't break the rules.
I used the term to hopefully get a clear response and explanation to this so called Apartheid wave we are facing but sadly it looks like no one has the courage to give their reasoning.
It is really unfortunate that with this referendum coming up and considering its significance there has been no real, honest debate or discussion about it on this thread.
IMHO this used to be great thread but over the last few years the great discussions and debate have been lost. It is one of the reasons I rarely post in it.
Yep agreed.
You can't have any opinion here without being ridiculed. There's no decent debate in good faith.
Has become just a silly troll thread for deep set allegiance completely devoid of discussion.
It's a shame because personally I am really on the fence about the voice and would welcome some constructive conversation since I don't know what to do with my vote yet.
You will survive if not don't post, simple.
Pretty sure no one has said you can't do that. I want nothing to do with it, and it has very little to taking away our land, and more to do with my lack of trust of these politicians. It's a stupid white male referendum to make amends for whatever they think they done. I have clients in Darwin who said most people there don't understand it either. If it loses airhead albo should take the fall for completely screwing this up and splitting the nation further.
Look at the WA situation. They introduced a law for the farmers on aboriginal land then back tracked. People read that and it's no wonder they have doubts. Airhead albo standing next to Joyce with his planes having YES planted on them. A week later he has resigned, and now just lost a court battle for ripping off his workers. You can't tell me the airhead wasn't being political when he engaged with Joyce on that Qatar deal. :shh
I also laugh at posts like WP this is all very political. Wake the bloody hell up.
Everything is political, Covid was political, this is political. Everything is.
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Agree Frankie
Dutton (or Mr Potato Head as his biggest fans call him) wouldn’t have split the thread in this way
That in itself tells me times up for Sneezy
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Agree Frankie
Dutton (or Mr Potato Head as his biggest fans call him) wouldn’t have split the thread in this way
That in itself tells me times up for Sneezy
Next election is in 2025.
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Next election is in 2025.
Don't stress, it isn't early October either
Time and dates don't matter
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Next election is in 2025.
Don't stress, it isn't early October either
Time and dates don't matter
And a little side note.
Labor has made and absolute artform of changing leaders mid term , so lets not pretend election dates mean anything for whether Sneezy must go or not
Is it Ruddy we want? Or Julia, or hang on a second, its Rudd.
Precedent has been set
Sneezy must go!
#TimeToGoAlbo
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Next election is in 2025.
Don't stress, it isn't early October either
Time and dates don't matter
And a little side note.
Labor has made and absolute artform of changing leaders mid term , so lets not pretend election dates mean anything for whether Sneezy must go or not
Is it Ruddy we want? Or Julia, or hang on a second, its Rudd.
Precedent has been set
Sneezy must go!
#TimeToGoAlbo
The leader before Albo was Bill Shorten who held the position for 6 years. More lies from the Liberal right wing.
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Marcia Langton has spoken. We are all racists.
No wonder this whole thing is a shambles.
Even Kamahl has a new version of Johnny Farnhams song :lol :lol
According to Langton and possibly many others we are all racist. :shh
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Marcia Langton has spoken. We are all racists.
No wonder this whole thing is a shambles.
Even Kamahl has a new version of Johnny Farnhams song :lol :lol
According to Langton and possibly many others we are all racist. :shh
LMAO - Good old tenured tax drain Marxist Marcia and professional rent seeker Noel Pearson, Lord of the FNQ Fiefdom - more than fitting that he's taken to dressing like a Mafia Don these days. :shh
#voteno #apartheidalbomustgo #onetermwonders
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Time for airbus Albo to fly outta here, has to go
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Next election is in 2025.
Don't stress, it isn't early October either
Time and dates don't matter
And a little side note.
Labor has made and absolute artform of changing leaders mid term , so lets not pretend election dates mean anything for whether Sneezy must go or not
Is it Ruddy we want? Or Julia, or hang on a second, its Rudd.
Precedent has been set
Sneezy must go!
#TimeToGoAlbo
The leader before Albo was Bill Shorten who held the position for 6 years. More lies from the Liberal right wing.
What lies? Did I say a lie?
Also, just curious, wasn’t someone leader between Rudd and Shorten for 3 minutes?
And while on your right wing train , I’m actually just off centre .. so you can cut that rubbish
I just don’t tolerate fools well .. and Albo is exactly that .. I’ll be honest , I didn’t vote for either major party at the last election , because I can’t stand Scomo either
But you on the other hand are a blindfolded fool .. the biggest effwit/liar/thief/corrupt dog in Aussie politics is Dan Andrews, but you are too blinkered to see it and point out every fault with the state Libs
You are loyal, I’ll give you that .. clearly blindfolded, but at least loyal
#AlboMustGo
#DanAndrewsIsACommunist
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And yet Dan Andrews was returned at the last election with an increased majority. Seems an awful lot of people don't agree with you.
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Stockholm syndrome exists. Hitler was real
Albo must go
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And yet Dan Andrews was returned at the last election with an increased majority. Seems an awful lot of people don't agree with you.
Yes they do indeed seem an awful lot..... :shh
#apartheidalbo #mustgo
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And yet Dan Andrews was returned at the last election with an increased majority. Seems an awful lot of people don't agree with you.
Yes they do indeed seem an awful lot..... :shh
#apartheidalbo #mustgo
:shh must go
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And yet Dan Andrews was returned at the last election with an increased majority. Seems an awful lot of people don't agree with you.
Yes they do indeed seem an awful lot..... :shh
#apartheidalbo #mustgo
:shh must go
yep this solidifies it. Must go and go now.
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And yet Dan Andrews was returned at the last election with an increased majority. Seems an awful lot of people don't agree with you.
Yes they do indeed seem an awful lot..... :shh
#apartheidalbo #mustgo
:shh must go
yep this solidifies it. Must go and go now.
It’s obvious to all except Labor fanbois
#AlboMustGo
#SorryFanbois
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https://www.facebook.com/Gary4Angry7Anderson
:clapping :clapping
can the bimbo airhead albo leave now?
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Good riddance Chairman Dan- One scumbag commie piece of shyte Whitlamite down, one to go :clapping #Apartheidalbo #mustgo. :shh
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Good riddance Chairman Dan- One scumbag commie piece of shyte Whitlamite down, one to go :clapping #Apartheidalbo #mustgo. :shh
Turmoil
Now for Albo
#albomustgo
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“The real and active Communists in Australia present us with our immediate problem - not the woolly-headed dupes, not the people who are pushed to the front in order to present a respectable appearance, but the real and active Communists. We have a clear choice, and we must make it clearly. We can attack these Communists frontally, or we can adopt inaction and justify it by accepting one or all of the arguments that are used currently to justify inaction.”
— Robert Menzies House of Representatives, Canberra, 27 April, 1950 Second Term as Prime Minister (1949-1966)
Source: http://www.australianquotes.com/quotes_1950-present.php
Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1790659-robert-menzies-the-real-and-active-communists-in-australia-presen/
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Good riddance Chairman Dan- One scumbag commie piece of shyte Whitlamite down, one to go :clapping #Apartheidalbo #mustgo. :shh
Turmoil
Now for Albo
#albomustgo
what a great day
One more to go
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A day of mourning for a few posters. Celebrations to commence for the rest of us
Albo now must go as well
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A day of mourning for a few posters. Celebrations to commence for the rest of us
Albo now must go as well
Wonderful day
Group of Aussies (including non victorians) meeting in the Philippines this arvo to celebrate the occasion
Great great day
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Right call by Andrews. I was always of the belief he would be there at the next state election but surprised it is less than 12 months after being re-elected with an increased majority. But he needed to go
“The real and active Communists in Australia present us with our immediate problem - not the woolly-headed dupes, not the people who are pushed to the front in order to present a respectable appearance, but the real and active Communists. We have a clear choice, and we must make it clearly. We can attack these Communists frontally, or we can adopt inaction and justify it by accepting one or all of the arguments that are used currently to justify inaction.”
— Robert Menzies House of Representatives, Canberra, 27 April, 1950 Second Term as Prime Minister (1949-1966)
Source: http://www.australianquotes.com/quotes_1950-present.php
Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1790659-robert-menzies-the-real-and-active-communists-in-australia-presen/
Goodness me, never thought I'd read a quote of Pig Iron Bob's on here
But there's certainly irony ;D
Dan and China
Bob and Japan during WWII
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A day of mourning for a few posters. Celebrations to commence for the rest of us
Albo now must go as well
Wonderful day
Group of Aussies (including non victorians) meeting in the Philippines this arvo to celebrate the occasion
Great great day
thats fantastic Damo. i was thinking of celebrating in front of his house this afternoon. I may save it for later this week and get my lovely dog to drop the biggest poo on his front lawn
condolences to those who are mourning :shh
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“The real and active Communists in Australia present us with our immediate problem - not the woolly-headed dupes, not the people who are pushed to the front in order to present a respectable appearance, but the real and active Communists. We have a clear choice, and we must make it clearly. We can attack these Communists frontally, or we can adopt inaction and justify it by accepting one or all of the arguments that are used currently to justify inaction.”
— Robert Menzies House of Representatives, Canberra, 27 April, 1950 Second Term as Prime Minister (1949-1966)
Source: http://www.australianquotes.com/quotes_1950-present.php
Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1790659-robert-menzies-the-real-and-active-communists-in-australia-presen/
McCarthy was right.... :shh
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Seen the writing on the wall and did the smart thing
If only #mustgoAlbo had a tenth of the intelligence
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It’s a joke
Mark McGowan, voted in and then doesn’t see out his term
Now the Dictator does the same
And at federal level we had to put up with the Rudd, Gillard, was it Rudd, or is it Gillard nonsense
We know they love leaving before a term is up
Albo, it’s time to tow the party line and go before your elected term is up
#albomustgo
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Right call by Andrews. I was always of the belief he would be there at the next state election but surprised it is less than 12 months after being re-elected with an increased majority. But he needed to go
Why the right call?
Why did he need to go?
It’s obviously fantastic he’s gone .. but when you run for government and get elected by the people, you are voted in for a term .. something politicians don’t seem to give a poo about these days
Get voted in, get tired, turn their back and wander off into the distance
Anyway, hope the prick moves to China
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Why the right call?
Why did he need to go?
It’s obviously fantastic he’s gone .. but when you run for government and get elected by the people, you are voted in for a term .. something politicians don’t seem to give a poo about these days
Get voted in, get tired, turn their back and wander off into the distance
Anyway, hope the prick moves to China
Right call because he'd lost so many who had supported him the last 9 years. I was visiting my Mum's BF the other week and she is one eyed ALP but she said to me that she had lost all respect for him in the last 6 months and he needed to go. She gave alot more detail as to her view but that's between her and me.
Absolutely agree with you about then serving their terms. But as you say they get a bit tired and off they shuffle
And I don't think he'll move to China, perhaps it will be the Philippines so he can get on the beers :rollin
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What's he done in the last 9 months that tops what he did during the "pandemic" ?
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What's he done in the last 9 months that tops what he did during the "pandemic" ?
Apparently making it easier to build granny flats which I think is awesome haha but hardly a vote winner.
My own local council makes it virtually impossible so fingers crossed it's something we can consider in future to keep my parents out of a nursing home for longer.
Otherwise yeah it's probably time to move on.
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What's he done in the last 9 months that tops what he did during the "pandemic" ?
What part of " She gave alot more detail as to her view but that's between her and me" didn't make sense? ::)
And regarding what he did do during the pandemic depends on how you viewed the pandemic doesn't it
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What's he done in the last 9 months that tops what he did during the "pandemic" ?
What part of " She gave alot more detail as to her view but that's between her and me" didn't make sense? ::)
And regarding what he did do during the pandemic depends on how you viewed the pandemic doesn't it
Nothing you say makes sense. A conversation with a 90 year old is your reasoning for him needing to go.
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Nothing you say makes sense. A conversation with a 90 year old is your reasoning for him needing to go.
What at pathetic cheap shot a person you don't know based on what you think their age is? :thumbsdown
You want to direct the cheap shots & pot me then go ahead but leave my Mum's bestie out of it >:( TBH it was gutless
Yes, I'm peeved and yes I'm sensitive when it comes to my family and extended family
Now back to your "nothing you say makes sense", is that just in this thread or in general?
My reasoning for it being time for him to go is simple (1) he has clearly lost the support of the rank file, rusted on ALP supporters and (2) more importantly his already huge ego has spiraled out of control. Many would argue that it's been out of control for years but the last 6 months and since the last election it had moved to an extreme level
Is that clear enough for you? Does it make sense?
On the pandemic how anyone judges what he did or didn't do, should have done is going to be determined on how you view the pandemic; how serious you thought it was or wasn't.
It was a once in a century event that no one had a clue on how to deal with it. Always found it amusing that people complained about the lockdowns or lockouts but no one ever came up with alternative on how it should have been dealt with.
Hope that makes sense
But whatever
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(1) he has clearly lost the support of the rank file, rusted on ALP supporters
Whatever it was that caused this
Can you please organise another batch and have it carry over to Albo
#albomustgo
#wakeuprankfile
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..Nothing you say makes sense. A conversation with a 90 year old is your reasoning for him needing to go.
What at pathetic cheap shot a person you don't know based on what you think their age is? :thumbsdown
You want to direct the cheap shots & pot me then go ahead but leave my Mum's bestie out of it >:( TBH it was gutless
Yes, I'm peeved and yes I'm sensitive when it comes to my family and extended family
Now back to your "nothing you say makes sense", is that just in this thread or in general?
My reasoning for it being time for him to go is simple (1) he has clearly lost the support of the rank file, rusted on ALP supporters and (2) more importantly his already huge ego has spiraled out of control. Many would argue that it's been out of control for years but the last 6 months and since the last election it had moved to an extreme level
Is that clear enough for you? Does it make sense?
On the pandemic how anyone judges what he did or didn't do, should have done is going to be determined on how you view the pandemic; how serious you thought it was or wasn't.
It was a once in a century event that no one had a clue on how to deal with it. Always found it amusing that people complained about the lockdowns or lockouts but no one ever came up with alternative on how it should have been dealt with.
Hope that makes sense
But whatever
I will paraphrase this for you AT.
i think he did a great job during the pandemic, I say no one "ever" came up with an alternative, but really i mean to say people did (not enforce this and that, much like other states/countries) but lets not go down that road.
Instead Lets just say no one came up with an alternative.
Its also once a century event, but on a federal level its not the case. They should have done this and done that and their debt is unacceptable.
#airheadlbomustgo
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..Nothing you say makes sense. A conversation with a 90 year old is your reasoning for him needing to go.
What at pathetic cheap shot a person you don't know based on what you think their age is? :thumbsdown
You want to direct the cheap shots & pot me then go ahead but leave my Mum's bestie out of it >:( TBH it was gutless
Yes, I'm peeved and yes I'm sensitive when it comes to my family and extended family
Now back to your "nothing you say makes sense", is that just in this thread or in general?
My reasoning for it being time for him to go is simple (1) he has clearly lost the support of the rank file, rusted on ALP supporters and (2) more importantly his already huge ego has spiraled out of control. Many would argue that it's been out of control for years but the last 6 months and since the last election it had moved to an extreme level
Is that clear enough for you? Does it make sense?
On the pandemic how anyone judges what he did or didn't do, should have done is going to be determined on how you view the pandemic; how serious you thought it was or wasn't.
It was a once in a century event that no one had a clue on how to deal with it. Always found it amusing that people complained about the lockdowns or lockouts but no one ever came up with alternative on how it should have been dealt with.
Hope that makes sense
But whatever
I will paraphrase this for you AT.
i think he did a great job during the pandemic, I say no one "ever" came up with an alternative, but really i mean to say people did (not enforce this and that, much like other states/countries) but lets not go down that road.
Instead Lets just say no one came up with an alternative.
Its also once a century event, but on a federal level its not the case. They should have done this and done that and their debt is unacceptable.
#airheadlbomustgo
LMAO - guess WP's never heard of Sweden -or the Pandemic response that most countries had in place but then ignored because they got spooked by China's obviously fake videos of people collapsing in the street (not noticing they were all breakfalling like stunt doubles in a Bruce Lee film) and decided to copy China's response (remember all the halfwits demanding we should be building makeshift hospitals in a week because they saw footage of China doing it) . Just like WP & every other leftist doesn't remember that Labor(sic) wanted Jobkeeper to pay more and go for twice as long and put the country into even more debt or that in the beginning it was their American comrades the Democrats who were telling people to keep going out and enjoying themselves -Pelosi making a point of going to Chinatown in SF- and were more worried about people being "racist" toward Asians when Evil Orange Man banned all flights from China. :shh
But hey that "inquiry" that the ALCCP has set up to protect their incompetent state comrades (the fact that it will also protect a couple of labor-lite LINO state goverments as well a small price to pay) and put all the blame on "Scotty from Marketing" (hur-dur-hur) will no doubt settle thing once & for all and the links that '65 will post to the ALPBC, Fauxfacts/Nein, Green & Red-Guard-ian will all agree.Just like when WP & 65 kept reminding us that the Federal Government was in charge of Aged Care yet could never explain why the nearly all the deaths in Aged Care happened in Victoria. :shh :shh
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Dio
Does that mean #albomustgo?
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Yes #mustgo #apartheidalbo :shh
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https://www.afr.com/companies/transport/king-went-against-department-advice-on-qatar-decision-20230928-p5e87d
Transport Minister Catherine King did not allow her department to open negotiations with Qatar over its request to double flights into Australia before abruptly blocking the bid nearly a year after it was first tabled.
The Department of Transport and Infrastructure confirmed at a Senate inquiry on Thursday that it had sent a negotiating mandate, which would have allowed it to enter discussions with the Qatar Civil Aviation Authority, to Ms King in early January. The officials did not hear back until Ms King’s office rejected the request to increase the number of services in July.
#imagineitwasdopeyscomo
#airheadmustgo
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Sitting in the Cavern Club in Liverpool. It's a bit hard to get enthusiastic about the constant drivel on this thread. Will be back in Melbourne in a week. Maybe then.
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Is the cavern club still a functioning venue?
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'65 probably wondering why The Beatles haven't showed up yet - stuck in the past like most decrepit old hippie Whitlamite boomers.... :shh
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It's a bit hard to get enthusiastic about the constant drivel on this thread.
Annoying isn't it? :shh
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Sitting in the Cavern Club in Liverpool. It's a bit hard to get enthusiastic about the constant drivel on this thread. Will be back in Melbourne in a week. Maybe then.
Amazing
You pollute the thread for years
Hardly a word spoken
Now it’s the other way and it’s “constant drivel”
Anyway, one of your boys walked away
Now for the next one
#albomustgo
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Is the cavern club still a functioning venue?
Yep.
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It's a bit hard to get enthusiastic about the constant drivel on this thread.
Some amazing irony in that statement I must say ::)
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I reckon we should ditch this thread myself.
Politics is always divisive and this thread just seems to bring out some poor behaviour.
We're all tigers at the end of the day.
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Agreed - would rid the forum of a couple of things that clearly don't belong here. :shh
Unfortunately not Albo though. #must go
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Sitting in the Cavern Club in Liverpool. It's a bit hard to get enthusiastic about the constant drivel on this thread. Will be back in Melbourne in a week. Maybe then.
Amazing
You pollute the thread for years
Hardly a word spoken
Now it’s the other way and it’s “constant drivel”
Anyway, one of your boys walked away
Now for the next one
#albomustgo
Word damo well said.
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It's a bit hard to get enthusiastic about the constant drivel on this thread.
Some amazing irony in that statement I must say ::)
Thanks WP
Often the word of reason
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Voted today as I am interstate on the 14th
Must say I was genuinely surprised that there was no-one there from the "No" camp.
Speaking to friend who lives on the opposite side of the city to me, they said at the early vote centre near them there was only 1 person from the "Yes" camp and 3 from the "No" camp
It appears t be all very targeted by both camps as to where they station their volunteers
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https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/pms-petrol-prices-tweet-from-2021-comes-back-to-haunt-him/news-story/9134a65d901cbb008e5aff2cf9578398
poor airhead
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https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/pms-petrol-prices-tweet-from-2021-comes-back-to-haunt-him/news-story/9134a65d901cbb008e5aff2cf9578398
poor airhead
So quoting an article from a newspaper is now acceptable on this thread?
Good to know. 😁
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More trouble in potato paradise.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/senior-liberals-in-battle-for-top-senate-spot-20230820-p5dxz7.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/senior-liberals-in-battle-for-top-senate-spot-20230820-p5dxz7.html)
Two prominent Liberal frontbenchers will lock horns in a preselection contest that insiders warn could destabilise the party’s run into the next election.
In a move that will provoke fresh debate around female representation in the Coalition, Jane Hume, the opposition finance spokeswoman, has decided to run for the top position on the Victorian Senate ticket occupied by home affairs spokesman James Paterson.
A peace deal engineered by then prime minister and treasurer Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg before the 2019 election shielded Hume, one of the opposition’s top female MPs, from a challenge by conservative forces, cementing her No.2 position.
But Hume’s intention to vie for the top spot – confirmed by two party sources who could not speak publicly about preselections due to party rules – pits her moderate wing against the Victorian Right faction.
You mean like this newspaper ???
It’s literally the last thing you posted on the thread until telling the world you were overseas.
So posting from a newspaper is only acceptable for you ?
You posted another newspaper link the post prior as well. And the post prior, and the post prior.
Anyway, not important
More important is #albomustgo
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If spam posting links without engaging in any real debate was all FJ did then '65 might actually have a point for once in his useless life... :shh
Also news.com.au isn't actually a newspaper.... :shh :shh
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In other news the price of crude oil dropped over 5% today so we should technically see the price of petrol dropping over coming few weeks but it's difficult when these enterprises are all privately owned.
Would be nice to see some owned by the public and create competition but then we'd be accused of being socialist/communist bastards etc.
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All I can gather from all that's been posted is that Albo must
Has to go
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In other news the price of crude oil dropped over 5% today so we should technically see the price of petrol dropping over coming few weeks but it's difficult when these enterprises are all privately owned.
Would be nice to see some owned by the public and create competition but then we'd be accused of being socialist/communist bastards etc.
Just back from England and petrol is 1.59 GBP per litre. That's $3.04 AUS per litre.
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In other news the price of crude oil dropped over 5% today so we should technically see the price of petrol dropping over coming few weeks but it's difficult when these enterprises are all privately owned.
Would be nice to see some owned by the public and create competition but then we'd be accused of being socialist/communist bastards etc.
Just back from England and petrol is 1.59 GBP per litre. That's $3.04 AUS per litre.
And in Venezuela it’s 1c a litre
Your point is what ?
That our economy is screwed and the AUD is rooted against the pound? As someone living overseas and getting paid in AUD, this is a problem. All fun and games when we plummet below .50c against the USD
Good on you Albo
#timesup
#albomustgo
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Well it looks like the referendum will not succeed.
Dutton's negative campaign has worked.
But interestingly Albo is the preferred PM 47% to Dutton's 25%.
And Labor's primary vote has increased from 36% to 37% while the Coalition has gone from 34% to 31%.
Looks like Dutton has won the battle but lost the war.
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I just think it's pretty clear that Albo must go.
Has to go
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Yep - has divided the country beyond repair will have blood on his hands regardless of the result next Saturday - all so unnecessaryand just for the sake of far-left ideological nonsense and his own ego. #Albomustgo.
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Wouldn't surprise me if the referendum gets a yes tbh
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For the sake of actual political discussion rather than pot shots and silly rhetoric, what are people's reasons here for voting yes or no?
Actual logical reasons please rather than general wing allegiance.
I have been ambivalent for a long time and am still on the fence a lot.
I don't think the proposed legislation is specific enough but I also don't see any real potential harm for the voice. Any indigenous body can already make a submission to government for change but maybe the voice will encourage it to happen more.
Acknowledging indigenous people in the Constitution also seems quite harmless.
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For the sake of actual political discussion rather than pot shots and silly rhetoric, what are people's reasons here for voting yes or no?
Actual logical reasons please rather than general wing allegiance.
I have been ambivalent for a long time and am still on the fence a lot.
I don't think the proposed legislation is specific enough but I also don't see any real potential harm for the voice. Any indigenous body can already make a submission to government for change but maybe the voice will encourage it to happen more.
Acknowledging indigenous people in the Constitution also seems quite harmless.
I'd answer Andyy but will only cop the normal whacks for being a "leftie"
My only comments are this:
I've been absolutely staggered how little people know about our constitution, what's in it and how it works. Understand our constitution and you soon realise that some of the statements being made as fact are simply not true. Section 51 in particular says "Hi"
And finally I posted this a few weeks back. Referendums shouldn't be about politics. I got lambasted about that comment but facts are they shouldn't be about politics but this one has sadly mostly been about politics. You'd hope we'd be better than that but clearly we are not
IMHO the Referendum won't succeed.
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Referendums generally don’t work when they become political. Ever.
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I love it when people say im on the fence but then give a paragraph spill on why its great. :lol I've seen that a few times.
How about fo. I dont trust any politician let alone the flogs in charge now. Why do i have to vote yes? Some aboriginals dont even want it so what makes anyone else any different.
No different to the jab. Have no issue if others chose not to, but it became political and frowned upon just like this.
My choice is a resounding NO. Do i think we are going to be paying more taxes or any crap like that. I dont have a reply on that, but again reverting back to my original post about politicians I dont trust any of them.
How about fix the issues that most people want fixed Albonese it instead of embarking on a white mans cleansing crusade.
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I love it when people say im on the fence but then give a paragraph spill on why its great. :lol I've seen that a few times.
How about fo. I dont trust any politician let alone the flogs in charge now. Why do i have to vote yes? Some aboriginals dont even want it so what makes anyone else any different.
No different to the jab. Have no issue if others chose not to, but it became political and frowned upon just like this.
My choice is a resounding NO. Do i think we are going to be paying more taxes or any crap like that. I dont have a reply on that, but again reverting back to my original post about politicians I dont trust any of them.
How about fix the issues that most people want fixed Albonese it instead of embarking on a white mans cleansing crusade.
Nothing I said in my post amounts to the voice being great.
And I hope you didn't just tell me to F off because I wanted to have a legitimate discussion about it.
You failed to make a point other than making yourself look scared. Don't trust pollies, a useless mention of tax and something silly about a cleanse? All of that just says fear fear fear.
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I'm voting yes. Yes to Albo must go I mean
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I love it when people say im on the fence but then give a paragraph spill on why its great. :lol I've seen that a few times.
How about fo. I dont trust any politician let alone the flogs in charge now. Why do i have to vote yes? Some aboriginals dont even want it so what makes anyone else any different.
No different to the jab. Have no issue if others chose not to, but it became political and frowned upon just like this.
My choice is a resounding NO. Do i think we are going to be paying more taxes or any crap like that. I dont have a reply on that, but again reverting back to my original post about politicians I dont trust any of them.
How about fix the issues that most people want fixed Albonese it instead of embarking on a white mans cleansing crusade.
Nothing I said in my post amounts to the voice being great.
And I hope you didn't just tell me to F off because I wanted to have a legitimate discussion about it.
You failed to make a point other than making yourself look scared. Don't trust pollies, a useless mention of tax and something silly about a cleanse? All of that just says fear fear fear.
I'm scared of 65 that's about it.
FO to pollies not you.
Thanks now that that is sorted my points valid and I'm not alone.
Albonese should walk whichever vote gets up.
Other issues more important than this.
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For those that like a bet.
https://www.bluebet.com.au/sports/Politics/142/Australian-Referendums/The-Voice-Referendum/The-Voice-Referendum/1192045/All-Markets
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For those that like a bet.
https://www.bluebet.com.au/sports/Politics/142/Australian-Referendums/The-Voice-Referendum/The-Voice-Referendum/1192045/All-Markets
Fair dinkum those people will make a buck off anything lol
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Surely Apartheid Albo's position is untenable after tonight's debacle. The people have spoken. #mustgo :shh
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Surely Apartheid Albo's position is untenable after tonight's debacle. The people have spoken. #mustgo :shh
It’s obvious Dio
#albomustgo
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Id vote for Jacinta Nampijinpa Price any day of the week she is a very talented aboriginal woman which I've agreed with her every time I've heard her speak.
The voice to parliament debate back in April, she and Warren Mundine had as "against" the proposal in my opinion, made a much much better argument than the two aboriginals that were "for" the proposal.
https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/video/referendum-2023-the-voice-to-parliament-debate/
Jacinta is an example of how any indigenous person can make a massive difference for any Australian.
It was disgusting that she was called racist for her stance on this issue but she has always presented herself with excellence and integrity despite the attacks she had been subjected to.
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Jacinta is an example of how any indigenous person can make a massive difference for any Australian.
It was disgusting that she was called racist for her stance on this issue but she has always presented herself with excellence and integrity despite the attacks she had been subjected to.
Serious question about Jacinta Price, you mention her integrity. What about the times she blatantly lied during the campaign? Surely that calls into question her integrity?
Now before people give me their stock standard whacks and say I'm sooking over the result and it's sour grapes.
I accept the referendum result, I'm definitely disappointed with it but certainly not surprised by it. It was never going to succeed without bipartisan support. Actually I question whether it would have got up even with bipartisan support.
The only other comment I will make tonight is and I've posted it previously and that is I am absolutely staggered by the ignorance people have about our constitution. That so many people don't know what's in it, how it works has genuinely left me scratching my head. But it is what it is and we move on
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What a great result. Most people rejected this rubbish and with good reason. Nothing pleases me more to see albo's voice sound even more pathetic than he usually sounds.
A lot of "ignorant" people out there it seems yet albo can do no wrong :lol :lol
By the way NT seats overwhelming no vote.
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Mr Abbott said it was a “radical power grab by an activist class.” :snidegrin
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/indigenous-voice-to-parliament/news-story/09e16ebc27cf92c30570adcc8596bab4
Mayo the union freak and albo have been absolutely demolished and they both must walk.
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Personally I don't see the result of the referendum having any impact on Albo or election.
We were asked to vote on something and we did.
Doesn't mean heads need to roll?
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Personally I don't see the result of the referendum having any impact on Albo or election.
We were asked to vote on something and we did.
Doesn't mean heads need to roll?
Nope.
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I don't think the money spent to have the referendum is acceptable at all.
Albo must go. All that's been done is further dividing people and wasting money. In any other business that is a death sentence
Must go
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I don't think the money spent to have the referendum is acceptable at all.
Albo must go. All that's been done is further dividing people and wasting money. In any other business that is a death sentence
Must go
What did it cost?
Only reason it has divided some people is because they're knuckle-dragging neanderthals.
I disagreed with some people I know and none of us had a problem with the other person voting differently. It was just a point of civil discussion.
Same sex marriage referendum got a yes and divided plenty of people too but we don't hear whining about it.
It's just an excuse for the government to pass the buck of responsibility for the legislation and Labor has misread the room by about 15%.
Anyway, I'm all for a referendum - encouraging people to participate in their democracy is a good thing and I'd rather they didn't go ahead with some legislation or amendments to our legislation without one.
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In the vicinity of 450 million, Andy
The room wasn't read well at all, especially when you only listen to some Indigenous voices and decide to throw them all in one basket as if they all think, look and act the same. How patronising and insulting.
The vote was comprehensively smashed everywhere really...and what's to show for it?
Albo has to go
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In the vicinity of 450 million, Andy
The room wasn't read well at all, especially when you only listen to some Indigenous voices and decide to throw them all in one basket as if they all think, look and act the same. How patronising and insulting.
The vote was comprehensively smashed everywhere really...and what's to show for it?
Albo has to go
Legit 450?
Fmd
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Yep
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Thank god the majority of Australia were awake to Labor’s racially divisive Australia policy
Albo has been caught out for the fool he is and now must go
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Maybe Each Way will finally concentrate on the cost of living that he promised to address in the election and won government on the back of - bwhahaha like stuff he will... fraudulent government, fraudulent PM #ApartheidAlbomustgo :shh
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In the vicinity of 450 million, Andy
The room wasn't read well at all, especially when you only listen to some Indigenous voices and decide to throw them all in one basket as if they all think, look and act the same. How patronising and insulting.
The vote was comprehensively smashed everywhere really...and what's to show for it?
Albo has to go
Legit 450?
Fmd
Actually it is around $380-$385 mil
But what's $80 odd mil between friends and tax payers ;D
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Yeah we know other people's money's nothing to leftists, why you're always so good at spending it freely....until it inevitably runs out... :shh
Now make sure to bring up "Scotty from Marketing's" debt again while also again conveniently forgetting to mention that it was mostly caused by a response to a pandemic that your beloved ALP wanted to him spend even more on and that most leftists wanted even more of the economy to be shut down for even longer... :whistle
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:lol Correct Dio. i think WP In the fullness of time would edit that ridiculous comment.
Anyway some in the know seem to think that 450k figure IS close to the mark, but what the hell would this bloke know :shh only have to listen to the first minute.
The cost of the Voice to Parliament referendum has been confirmed by AEC spokesperson Evan Ekin-Smyth
https://www.3aw.com.au/the-cost-of-the-voice-referendum-revealed-and-clarification-on-the-rules-of-voice-advertising/
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By the way NT seats overwhelming no vote.
True the overall territory voted no and that's clear
However, interesting as the mobile booth figures have come into today and they are the booths in the remote indigenous communities the figue is around 70%-75% Yes. So that gives some credence to the Yes side's comments that around 80% of indigenous Australians were in favour of the voice. Will be just as interesting to see the numbers from WA and remote Qld
The by electorate numbers are fascinating too. My electorate which is ALP heartland came in at 55%+ Yes. But the electorate next door also ALP heartland came in around 55% No.
What I've taken away from the result is 2 things.
1/ Fear is a powerful tool when used by politicians on either side. Couple fear with just the slightest bit of ignorance (talking about people's lack of knowledge around our constitution here and nothing else) then the mood for change or the want for change will be extinguished
So Frankie I tip my lid to you and say you were right. This referendum was always about politics and ultimately which politicians sold their message best. Still stand by my belief it should never have been like that but this one certainly was
2/ and this is the final time I will mention it but people need to understand our constitution. How it came into being, how it's changed with the various sucessful referendums previously. People need to understand What is in it and how it works. Weve had 45 referendums now and 8 have passed.
IMHO it should be taught in schools. Some of the mistruths (most would say lies) that have been spruiked during the campaigns I found disgusting to be honest because it played on people's fears and it shouldn't have been like that.
The result is what it is. One thing Albo did say last night that was right we are lucky that we get to vote on these sort of issues/proposals. So many other countries don't and I for one am so grateful we do.
Personally I don't see the result of the referendum having any impact on Albo or election.
We were asked to vote on something and we did.
Doesn't mean heads need to roll?
Agree Andyy,
Menzies had a few failed referendums during his PMship and it didn't hurt him
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Yeah we know other people's money's nothing to leftists, why you're always so good at spending it freely....until it inevitably runs out... :shh
Another day another cheapshot from you from your cheapseat
Thanks
:lol Correct Dio. i think WP In the fullness of time would edit that ridiculous comment.
Anyway some in the know seem to think that 450k figure IS close to the mark, but what the hell would this bloke know :shh only have to listen to the first minute.
The cost of the Voice to Parliament referendum has been confirmed by AEC spokesperson Evan Ekin-Smyth
https://www.3aw.com.au/the-cost-of-the-voice-referendum-revealed-and-clarification-on-the-rules-of-voice-advertising/
Stand corrected then, AT thanks for the link.
Was only mentioning what I read in the paper yesterday up in QLD, it was the equivalent to the HUN down here in Victoria. Up there they were saying $380-385 mil.
And BTW I appreciate the respectful response :thumbsup
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Thank god the majority of Australia were awake to Labor’s racially divisive Australia policy
Albo has been caught out for the fool he is and now must go
How did you find it divisive? Other than idiots getting upset with one another because they can't discuss anything without losing their cools.
Something like this shouldnt be divisive at all if people can be reasonable and mature about it
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Thank god the majority of Australia were awake to Labor’s racially divisive Australia policy
Albo has been caught out for the fool he is and now must go
How did you find it divisive? Other than idiots getting upset with one another because they can't discuss anything without losing their cools.
Something like this shouldnt be divisive at all if people can be reasonable and mature about it
He must go Andy
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Must go has to go #timesup4apartheidalbo :shh
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Albo is going nowhere.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/15/five-insights-from-the-referendum-liberals-win-the-battle-but-lose-the-war
Liberals win the battle, but lose the war
While rusted-on Coalition voters played a significant role in sinking the voice, Saturday’s referendum vote reinforces the sense that the contemporary Liberal party has decoupled from its blue-ribbon metropolitan heartland. Seats now held by the teal independents rallied for yes.
“I was surprised, having looked at a lot of campaign data and polling data out of Yes23 – I’m surprised by how strongly the teal seats have gone yes,” Jackman says. “I wasn’t expecting [a percentage in the 60s] in Wentworth in particular. That’s a staggering result. It’s going to rock back on their heels Liberals who think [the teals phenomenon] is a protest vote and those electorates will get over it and come home. They are not coming home. None of this is helping Peter Dutton in those seats.”
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Thank god the majority of Australia were awake to Labor’s racially divisive Australia policy
Albo has been caught out for the fool he is and now must go
How did you find it divisive? Other than idiots getting upset with one another because they can't discuss anything without losing their cools.
Something like this shouldnt be divisive at all if people can be reasonable and mature about it
Are you for real? In the middle of a cost of living crisis and he wasted 450 million dollars on something that was never going to win. Have a look at the WA situation and the back pedaling that went on earlier this year.
You think that's not going to cause unrest? He failed miserably from the outset.
Warrine Mundine summed it up perfectly when he said wake up to yourselves.
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Albo is going nowhere.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/15/five-insights-from-the-referendum-liberals-win-the-battle-but-lose-the-war
Liberals win the battle, but lose the war
While rusted-on Coalition voters played a significant role in sinking the voice, Saturday’s referendum vote reinforces the sense that the contemporary Liberal party has decoupled from its blue-ribbon metropolitan heartland. Seats now held by the teal independents rallied for yes.
“I was surprised, having looked at a lot of campaign data and polling data out of Yes23 – I’m surprised by how strongly the teal seats have gone yes,” Jackman says. “I wasn’t expecting [a percentage in the 60s] in Wentworth in particular. That’s a staggering result. It’s going to rock back on their heels Liberals who think [the teals phenomenon] is a protest vote and those electorates will get over it and come home. They are not coming home. None of this is helping Peter Dutton in those seats.”
The teal seats were never going anywhere. It just showed how stupid the the airhead was was when he focused on smith st collingwood and not on Smith St Melton as I read the other day. The suburbs are where it's alt. You know every day people doing their balls in this climate.
The war is in the outer suburbs now and also a place called QLD and WA.
Tell us how the chook is going up there? :shh :shh
He should follow the QLD chook and lead by example.
Time to go Airhead albo
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Thank god the majority of Australia were awake to Labor’s racially divisive Australia policy
Albo has been caught out for the fool he is and now must go
How did you find it divisive? Other than idiots getting upset with one another because they can't discuss anything without losing their cools.
Something like this shouldnt be divisive at all if people can be reasonable and mature about it
Are you for real? In the middle of a cost of living crisis and he wasted 450 million dollars on something that was never going to win. Have a look at the WA situation and the back pedaling that went on earlier this year.
You think that's not going to cause unrest? He failed miserably from the outset.
Warrine Mundine summed it up perfectly when he said wake up to yourselves.
I'm not happy about the $450mil.
But how is the proposal itself divisive?
People can agree to disagree, sure, but words like apartheid are laughable. Poor comparison and silly rhetoric.
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I am very confused in the highly reputable The Australian says the referendum only cost $350 mil not $450 million
Murdoch media is always right isn't it :rollin
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Are you for real? In the middle of a cost of living crisis and he wasted 450 million dollars on something that was never going to win. Have a look at the WA situation and the back pedaling that went on earlier this year.
You think that's not going to cause unrest? He failed miserably from the outset.
Warrine Mundine summed it up perfectly when he said wake up to yourselves.
If your Mundine comment is from the presser the other night his "wake up to yourselves "comment was in relation to the line of questioning towards Sen Price
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I am very confused in the highly reputable The Australian says the referendum only cost $350 mil not $450 million
Murdoch media is always right isn't it :rollin
knee slapping funny
Albo must go
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Albo is going nowhere.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/15/five-insights-from-the-referendum-liberals-win-the-battle-but-lose-the-war
Liberals win the battle, but lose the war
While rusted-on Coalition voters played a significant role in sinking the voice, Saturday’s referendum vote reinforces the sense that the contemporary Liberal party has decoupled from its blue-ribbon metropolitan heartland. Seats now held by the teal independents rallied for yes.
“I was surprised, having looked at a lot of campaign data and polling data out of Yes23 – I’m surprised by how strongly the teal seats have gone yes,” Jackman says. “I wasn’t expecting [a percentage in the 60s] in Wentworth in particular. That’s a staggering result. It’s going to rock back on their heels Liberals who think [the teals phenomenon] is a protest vote and those electorates will get over it and come home. They are not coming home. None of this is helping Peter Dutton in those seats.”
The teal seats were never going anywhere. It just showed how stupid the the airhead was was when he focused on smith st collingwood and not on Smith St Melton as I read the other day. The suburbs are where it's alt. You know every day people doing their balls in this climate.
The war is in the outer suburbs now and also a place called QLD and WA.
Tell us how the chook is going up there? :shh :shh
He should follow the QLD chook and lead by example.
Time to go Airhead albo
Wasting your time engaging the ALCCP automaton - his pre-programmed responses aren't equipped to deal with inconvenient truths. :shh
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Thank god the majority of Australia were awake to Labor’s racially divisive Australia policy
Albo has been caught out for the fool he is and now must go
How did you find it divisive? Other than idiots getting upset with one another because they can't discuss anything without losing their cools.
Something like this shouldnt be divisive at all if people can be reasonable and mature about it
I seen it as divisive in that we were creating rules in the constitution for one set of Australians and not another.
I see all of us as Australians.
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A fact many including some on here just can't seem to comprehend Chuck.
I don't even remember anyone calling out slowbo for this complete and utter waste of money and time, but as has been suggested money waste goes hand in hand with this mob so I'm really not surprised.
The funniest comments from these bed wetters I have seen is from from the Sydney mayor who said it was a trump style election based on misinformation. Even slowbo can't let it go.
Just proves how the alp treat outer suburban voters these days, and I'm guessing they won't forget.
The fat chook in qld must be feeling very nervous up there now.
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Thank god the majority of Australia were awake to Labor’s racially divisive Australia policy
Albo has been caught out for the fool he is and now must go
How did you find it divisive? Other than idiots getting upset with one another because they can't discuss anything without losing their cools.
Something like this shouldnt be divisive at all if people can be reasonable and mature about it
I seen it as divisive in that we were creating rules in the constitution for one set of Australians and not another.
I see all of us as Australians.
I agree we are all Aussies. Constitution was only to acknowledge indigenous Aussies as the first Aussies and the voice was just encouragement for them to engage with the government to improve their outcomes which are extraordinary poor compared to the rest of us.
I still don't see the divisiveness that you're referring to.....
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I am very confused in the highly reputable The Australian says the referendum only cost $350 mil not $450 million
:shh :shh :shh
Murdoch media is always right isn't it :rollin
Well at least we know where you got that figure from now. :shh
You must have a few Murdoch subscriptions going on WP. Foxtel, Australian this and that. :lol
I do laugh at those Murdoch anti stooges who obsess about him yet seem to know where all his information is all the time. :lol
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Well at least we know where you got that figure from now. :shh
You must have a few Murdoch subscriptions going on WP. Foxtel, Australian this and that. :lol
I do laugh at those Murdoch anti stooges who obsess about him yet seem to know where all his information is all the time. :lol
Don't subscribe to any of them. Saw the the quote from the Australian on the platform formerly known as Twitter yesterday
Have cancelled Foxtel and saw the Qld equivalent of the HUN on Saturday at my nephew's house
My post was purely sarcastic but clearly lost, oh well should have used more than this :rollin
And used this
:sarcasm2
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https://youtu.be/VO5V12AOSjY?si=XZ3RPSsl336JwNT9
How’s his behaviour
Can’t even answer a simple question the petulant child
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He really is a rotten piece of poo. An absolute fraud
Must go
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$450mil is shocking
In this day and age I can't see how a referendum costs that much when voting has never been more accessible and advertising so easy and simple.
Money could have gone to some projects but I'm guessing Albo/Labor wanted to have a historical moment instead?
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He really is a rotten piece of poo. An absolute fraud
Must go
Vile filth
Whenever the pressure is on, he runs away .. still remember the week of the election, when asked the hard questions on where the costing numbers were, all you saw was Albo running away in his high vis gear and hard hat
https://7news.com.au/politics/federal-politics/anthony-albanese-breaks-election-promise-not-to-run-away-from-press-conferences-as-polls-tighten-c-6837868
#keeprunningalbo
#albomustgo
#runawaypermanentlyalbo
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lol what a turd
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I understand that you want Albo to go.
But you will need to get rid of Dutton first.
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I understand that you want Albo to go.
But you will need to get rid of Dutton first.
Not necessarily
Labor loves doing swaps mid term
He could go tomorrow
Since when have Labor required an election to change the PM
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I understand that you want Albo to go.
But you will need to get rid of Dutton first.
Not necessarily
Labor loves doing swaps mid term
He could go tomorrow
Since when have Labor required an election to change the PM
Now you are just showing your ignorance.
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I understand that you want Albo to go.
But you will need to get rid of Dutton first.
Not necessarily
Labor loves doing swaps mid term
He could go tomorrow
Since when have Labor required an election to change the PM
Now you are just showing your ignorance.
Ok
So Labor hasn’t done swaps mid term ??
There hasn’t been a precedent ?
My ignorance has me forgetting the Julia Gillard effort on poor old Rudd the Dud
#keepwalkingalbo
#albomustgo
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Not necessarily
Labor loves doing swaps mid term
He could go tomorrow
Since when have Labor required an election to change the PM
Not the case these days Damo since Kevin Rudd came back (2nd go as PM).As leader he changed the rules and the party agreed
To change leaders the ALP now also require the membership to vote on a new leader. The result of that counts for 50% of the vote, the other 50% by caucus. So basically now a leader cannot be knifed
It is the reason that Albo didn't beocme leader when Rudd got slaugthered by Abbott in the 2013 election. Shorten got the job due the change in the way the ALP elect a leader
Interestingly, Abbott tried to bring in the same thing for the Liberal Party
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Not necessarily
Labor loves doing swaps mid term
He could go tomorrow
Since when have Labor required an election to change the PM
Not the case these days Damo since Kevin Rudd came back (2nd go as PM).As leader he changed the rules and the party agreed
To change leaders the ALP now also require the membership to vote on a new leader. The result of that counts for 50% of the vote, the other 50% by caucus. So basically now a leader cannot be knifed
It is the reason that Albo didn't beocme leader when Rudd got slaugthered by Abbott in the 2013 election. Shorten got the job due the change in the way the ALP elect a leader
Interestingly, Abbott tried to bring in the same thing for the Liberal Party
I’m sure they can make it happen if there is a big enough push
Deep down I’m sure they all know Albo must go
Surely the Labor party have better than that clown
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Not necessarily
Labor loves doing swaps mid term
He could go tomorrow
Since when have Labor required an election to change the PM
Not the case these days Damo since Kevin Rudd came back (2nd go as PM).As leader he changed the rules and the party agreed
To change leaders the ALP now also require the membership to vote on a new leader. The result of that counts for 50% of the vote, the other 50% by caucus. So basically now a leader cannot be knifed
It is the reason that Albo didn't beocme leader when Rudd got slaugthered by Abbott in the 2013 election. Shorten got the job due the change in the way the ALP elect a leader
Interestingly, Abbott tried to bring in the same thing for the Liberal Party
Thanks for that informative post. Just wanted to acknowledge that.
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Thank you Andyy
I will confess I'm a bit of politics tragic. Loved it, constitutional law and Australian history at school and still study it now :thumbsup
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Telstra spent $1m on Yes campaign, should be repaid by the directors of the company
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Telstra spent $1m on Yes campaign, should be repaid by the directors of the company
Surely they have to go?
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Yes - they all have to go just like #apartheidalbo.
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Who cares who goes outside of Albo
Focus on him first and worry about the rest later
#keepwalkingalbo
#timesupmustgo
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Who cares who goes outside of Albo
Focus on him first and worry about the rest later
#keepwalkingalbo
#timesupmustgo
Facts. Position is untenable now.
Apartheid albo and his try hard bob Hawke voice must go now.
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By the way NT seats overwhelming no vote.
True the overall territory voted no and that's clear
However, interesting as the mobile booth figures have come into today and they are the booths in the remote indigenous communities the figue is around 70%-75% Yes. So that gives some credence to the Yes side's comments that around 80% of indigenous Australians were in favour of the voice. Will be just as interesting to see the numbers from WA and remote Qld
The by electorate numbers are fascinating too. My electorate which is ALP heartland came in at 55%+ Yes. But the electorate next door also ALP heartland came in around 55% No.
What I've taken away from the result is 2 things.
1/ Fear is a powerful tool when used by politicians on either side. Couple fear with just the slightest bit of ignorance (talking about people's lack of knowledge around our constitution here and nothing else) then the mood for change or the want for change will be extinguished
So Frankie I tip my lid to you and say you were right. This referendum was always about politics and ultimately which politicians sold their message best. Still stand by my belief it should never have been like that but this one certainly was
2/ and this is the final time I will mention it but people need to understand our constitution. How it came into being, how it's changed with the various sucessful referendums previously. People need to understand What is in it and how it works. Weve had 45 referendums now and 8 have passed.
IMHO it should be taught in schools. Some of the mistruths (most would say lies) that have been spruiked during the campaigns I found disgusting to be honest because it played on people's fears and it shouldn't have been like that.
The result is what it is. One thing Albo did say last night that was right we are lucky that we get to vote on these sort of issues/proposals. So many other countries don't and I for one am so grateful we do.
Personally I don't see the result of the referendum having any impact on Albo or election.
We were asked to vote on something and we did.
Doesn't mean heads need to roll?
Agree Andyy,
Menzies had a few failed referendums during his PMship and it didn't hurt him
Seriously taught in schools? Clearly you don't have kids in schools these days? They teach enough in history amongst other garbage and it's no wonder the education system in this country is failing kids
Anyway to your point
Almost 35,000 of the 80,000 registered voters in Lingiari – the seat with the highest proportion of Aboriginal residents in the country – didn’t bother to cast a ballot.
This would fit with the sentiment expressed by many Aboriginal people in remote communities I spoke to during the referendum campaign who either knew little about the Voice proposal or had little enthusiasm for it.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/matt-cunningham-opinion-voice-result-a-concern-for-territory-labor/news-story/9859f0bd1433421978b2d5a0460737de
WP I also said it was pushed by the white man this referendum, and I was proven right. Look at the areas who supported the voice and I'm in the one of those. I would argue it's the yes voters who don't understand what aboriginals want or need want not the other way around.. money could have helped them in other ways.
Did people honestly think seeing yes planted on qf planes by that tiprat Joyce and dudbonese would convince people to vote yes? Even u must admit that was laughable.
As a side note I was in Darwin for a day this week for work. I couldn't help myself but I did speak to a few blokes in that disgusting mall up there, who asked me for $2 or smokes and they couldn't gaf about it.
It was only 2 guys, but I did wonder if I spoke to 100 what the answer would be. :shh I think we know assuming the contents of this article is accurate.
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Really, what type of a person have we got for a PM, he seems to be more a political activist pursuing his own agenda than actually a PM serving the nation
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/true-colours-anthony-albaneses-past-appearances-at-propalestine-rallies-laid-bare-in-resurfaced-protest-video/news-story/5e34fccbbd39b8f559bf3e4b036030a4
Archive footage has resurfaced of Prime Minister Anthony Albanese passionately condemning Israel’s “occupation” of Palestine while attending a protest.
Resurfaced news footage has revealed Anthony Albanese’s past appearances at pro-Palestine rallies earlier in his parliamentary career.
Sky News Australia host Sharri Markson revealed the clip on Wednesday evening while covering the Prime Minister’s state visit to the United States to visit President Joe Biden.
“Albanese has over his entire Parliamentary career spoken out against Israel and in support of Palestinians,” she said before cutting to the resurfaced footage.
In the grainy video, Mr Albanese can be seen protesting against Israel’s “occupation” of Palestine in Sydney’s Martin Place next to a sign reading “Stop the Israeli Slaughter: Free Palestine now”.
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So he's against the Israeli occupation.
But as PM he acknowledges our alliance with Israel and supports them on behalf of the country, even though it may be against his personal beliefs.
What's the problem with that?
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If he supports the free Palestine Movement then that means he then opposes the existence of Israel
He is a political activist playing at PM
#Albomustgo
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If he supports the free Palestine Movement then that means he then opposes the existence of Israel
He is a political activist playing at PM
#Albomustgo
Very narrow of you.
Can't he support Palestine given their oppression but hope for a peaceful, two state resolution?
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If he supports the free Palestine Movement then that means he then opposes the existence of Israel
He is a political activist playing at PM
#Albomustgo
Very narrow of you.
Can't he support Palestine given their oppression but hope for a peaceful, two state resolution?
The free Palestine movement doesnt support a two state resolution
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If he supports the free Palestine Movement then that means he then opposes the existence of Israel
He is a political activist playing at PM
#Albomustgo
Very narrow of you.
Can't he support Palestine given their oppression but hope for a peaceful, two state resolution?
The free Palestine movement doesnt support a two state resolution
'free Palestine now' is a phrase and is not the same as the Free Palestine Movement, an armed militant group.
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sounds similar
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If it wasn't clear before, it is now
Albo must go. Has to go
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If it wasn't clear before, it is now
Albo must go. Has to go
Gets clearer by the day
Must go
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The Israeli ambassador yesterday praised Albanese & the Federal Government's response. But those here who post and parrot whatever the media (especially Sky News) feeds them without question :shh, think the media's hysterical & clueless LNP sycophants know more than the Israeli ambassador does :lol.
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The Israeli ambassador yesterday praised Albanese & the Federal Government's response. But those here who post and parrot whatever the media (especially Sky News) feeds them without question :shh, think the media's hysterical & clueless LNP sycophants know more than the Israeli ambassador does :lol.
Yep.
They don't want the facts to get in the way of a good Murdoch story.
Brainwashed by the propaganda and so addicted to the rhetoric with posts so unintelligent you could replace them with a child's toy. Just push the button to hear the one liner.
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Australia is waking up to the type of person Albo is
With the shellacking after the last election all Labor had to do was provide a leader who could keep his nose clean.
It is clear #Albomustgo
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He is failing our people, has broken promises and is doing nothing but cause angst and bitterness amongst all.
Must go
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The Israeli ambassador yesterday praised Albanese & the Federal Government's response. But those here who post and parrot whatever the media (especially Sky News) feeds them without question :shh, think the media's hysterical & clueless LNP sycophants know more than the Israeli ambassador does :lol.
Yep.
They don't want the facts to get in the way of a good Murdoch story.
Brainwashed by the propaganda and so addicted to the rhetoric with posts so unintelligent you could replace them with a child's toy. Just push the button to hear the one liner.
Which one liner Andy?
Anyway that doesn’t matter at the end of the day.
Albo must go
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Everyone is saying it
Anthony Albanese's Voice failure was the most spectacular political own goal of the century, and one that 'exposed serious flaws in his character'
https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/anthony-albaneses-voice-failure-was-the-most-spectacular-political-own-goal-of-the-century-and-one-that-exposed-serious-flaws-in-his-character/news-story/43fbfa27ff85b26422dcf958ad06300a
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Gee he simply has to go, it's time
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So quoting Sky News is ok but don't dare quote the ABC. 😁
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Albo must go
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Albo must go
Yes I know. Albo's got to go. Good luck with that.
Dutton's got to stay.
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Yes I know. Albo's got to go.
FINALLY.
1965 finally gets it!!!
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Yes I know. Albo's got to go.
FINALLY.
1965 finally gets it!!!
,😃
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FFS even 65 can see it :banghead
Albo must go
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This has no bearing on the outcome, but for those with an interest, the final seat seat score for the referendum was No 117 seats, Yes 34.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/Referendum2023ElectoratesResults.png)
- Under the "Vic" is Chisholm.
- Under the "Qld" is Petrie.
- Under the "WA" is Perth.
- Under the "ACT" is Bean.
https://twitter.com/AntonyGreenElec/status/1717757154965516419
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Australia is waking up to the type of person Albo is
With the shellacking after the last election all Labor had to do was provide a leader who could keep his nose clean.
It is clear #Albomustgo
So true. ActivistAlbo is a fraud. Must go.
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I think it’s time to reassess
Maybe Albo must stay ???
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/blue-collar-backlash-disaster-poll-shows-tradies-abandoning-anthony-albanese/news-story/84b369536f59a80493730516da3be647?amp
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I think it’s time to reassess
Maybe Albo must stay ???
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/blue-collar-backlash-disaster-poll-shows-tradies-abandoning-anthony-albanese/news-story/84b369536f59a80493730516da3be647?amp
Good point Damo, lets keep the silly stuffwit in until he totally stuffs them up
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I think it’s time to reassess
Maybe Albo must stay ???
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/blue-collar-backlash-disaster-poll-shows-tradies-abandoning-anthony-albanese/news-story/84b369536f59a80493730516da3be647?amp
Good point Damo, lets keep the silly stuffwit in until he totally stuffs them up
:lol :lol :lol
:cheers :cheers :cheers
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Good point Damo, lets keep the silly stuffwit in until he totally stuffs them up
Have heard the same nonsense about Dutton as well.
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Good point Damo, lets keep the silly stuffwit in until he totally stuffs them up
Have heard the same nonsense about Dutton as well.
Difference is apartheid Albo's popularity is sliding down
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Good point Damo, lets keep the silly stuffwit in until he totally stuffs them up
Have heard the same nonsense about Dutton as well.
Difference is apartheid Albo's popularity is sliding down
Still way ahead of Mr Potato Head.
But this sort of stat is only used to support an argument. Good example of how you can use stats to prove anything.
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#ccplapdog #handsomeboymustgo :shh
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Good point Damo, lets keep the silly stuffwit in until he totally stuffs them up
Have heard the same nonsense about Dutton as well.
Difference is apartheid Albo's popularity is sliding down
Rate rise today should keep things moving south.
What a fool he is. Chalmers isn't much better
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Good point Damo, lets keep the silly stuffwit in until he totally stuffs them up
Have heard the same nonsense about Dutton as well.
Difference is apartheid Albo's popularity is sliding down
Rate rise today should keep things moving south.
What a fool he is. Chalmers isn't much better
Yeah but at least he's a handsome boy....his daddy in Beijing told him so... :shh
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At least one Victorian Liberal MP understands the mess the Coalition is in.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/unmitigated-failure-outgoing-liberal-mp-backs-drug-decriminalisation-20231106-p5ehv3.html
Outgoing Liberal MP Matt Bach has thrown his support behind drug decriminalisation as he also urged his party to be braver in pursuit of younger voters who have turned off the Coalition.
Bach, a Victorian upper house MP who was part of the state Liberal leadership team, made the comments ahead of his departure from parliament at the end of the year. He also warned Liberals not to listen to “selfish, rich geriatrics” and instead look to issues younger voters care about.
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Showing up matters.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/showing-up-matters-why-albanese-must-keep-travelling-20231107-p5ei7o.html
After a tiring fortnight of international travel – a state visit to Washington followed by a breakthrough meeting with Xi Jinping in Beijing – Anthony Albanese could be forgiven for wanting a few days’ rest at home and the opportunity to focus on domestic issues.
Instead, the prime minister’s diplomatic adventures are continuing with a two-day visit to the Pacific Islands Forum in the Cook Islands. With its spectacular coral reefs and dazzling beaches, Rarotonga is hardly a hardship destination, but Albanese deserves credit for showing up to this important regional grouping.
In making the trip, he has wisely ignored the juvenile and increasingly frequent complaints from opposition politicians and talkback radio hosts dubbing him “Airbus Albo” and accusing him of spending too much time outside the country.
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At least one Victorian Liberal MP understands the mess the Coalition is in.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/unmitigated-failure-outgoing-liberal-mp-backs-drug-decriminalisation-20231106-p5ehv3.html
Outgoing Liberal MP Matt Bach has thrown his support behind drug decriminalisation as he also urged his party to be braver in pursuit of younger voters who have turned off the Coalition.
Bach, a Victorian upper house MP who was part of the state Liberal leadership team, made the comments ahead of his departure from parliament at the end of the year. He also warned Liberals not to listen to “selfish, rich geriatrics” and instead look to issues younger voters care about.
im sure thats high on their agenda next to cost of living, rising rents. :stupid
the position of airbus dudbo is untenable. Time to go!
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Airbus Albo proving he's a disgrace yet again
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#Handsomeboymustgo :shh
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I do miss Scotty from Marketing.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/07/pandemic-ppe-how-australia-entrusted-a-small-time-retailer-with-100m-and-got-46m-unusable-masks-ntwnfb
In April 2020, with Australia gripped by the pandemic’s early, frenzied stages, a group of doctors wrote an alarming letter to the then prime minister, Scott Morrison.
Frontline medical staff, they warned, were being placed in significant danger by the lack of quality personal protective equipment.
“We are fearful for our safety and wellbeing during this pandemic,” the letter said. “International experience has shown that we are a very high risk group for Covid-19 infection, illness and death.”
Three weeks later, Australia signed the first of two massive PPE contracts with a largely unknown company, Australian Business Mobiles (NSW) Pty Ltd.
Its previous experience included selling robot vacuum cleaners, air fryers and other household goods.
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Daddy Xi didn't like poor little Scotty - wasn't a handsome boy like Albo... :shh
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Airbus probably annoyed someone in China, resulting in Chinese hackers downing Optus
#airbusmustgo
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It's good to have the adults back in charge. It is hard to see Mr Potato Head and Scotty from Marketing making this sort of treaty.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-offers-tuvalu-residents-special-visa-in-groundbreaking-treaty-20231110-p5ej3y.html
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has hailed a “groundbreaking agreement” between Australia and Tuvalu that will see Australia create a new dedicated visa for Tuvaluans to live and work in Australia and commit to helping the Pacific nation in the event of emergencies.
Tuvalu Prime Minister Kausea Natano on Friday confirmed the two countries will enter a bilateral treaty that offers special visas to Tuvalu residents to work, study and live in Australia as the Pacific nation faces the existential threats of climate change.
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Great thing to do.
Have been saying for years we should be helping our immediate neighbours.
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https://www.themandarin.com.au/178427-australia-signs-defence-treaty-with-japan-launches-hydrogen-trade-program/
:shh
the average punter dgaf -65, just like they didnt when this was news.
what they dgaf is airbus albo and his cohorts shrinking the wealth of most australians. Who remembers when interest rate rises was scomos fault? :shh
Airbus nothing has changed, its time to go pal.
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LMAO - those Pacific nations saw the "adults" coming from a mile away - funny how they're not demanding China cut their emissions.....there's a sucker (leftist) born every minute....stuffing clown world.... :joker :propeller :shh #climateshakedown #notdrowningwavingandlaughingatus #handsomeboymustgo
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https://www.themandarin.com.au/178427-australia-signs-defence-treaty-with-japan-launches-hydrogen-trade-program/
:shh
the average punter dgaf -65, just like they didnt when this was news.
what they dgaf is airbus albo and his cohorts shrinking the wealth of most australians. Who remembers when interest rate rises was scomos fault? :shh
Airbus nothing has changed, its time to go pal.
Yeah but Handsome Boy is putting us back on the world stage - in fact he's so important that he was one of only 5 world leaders Xi met that day....#kungfupanda #must go :shh
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FFS albo must go
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Can someone tell me where Mr Potato Head is at the moment?
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what they dgaf is airbus albo and his cohorts shrinking the wealth of most australians.
I can remember interest rates at 17%.
I doubt that you can. Way before your time methinks.
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'89 under Hawke & Keating - remember it well, everyone who's at least 50 would.... :shh
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Can someone tell me where Mr Potato Head is at the moment?
Living rent free in your head with Abbott, Morrison & Trump.... :shh
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Can someone tell me where Mr Potato Head is at the moment?
Living rent free in your head with Abbott, Morrison & Trump.... :shh
So, that would be a no then.
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Can someone tell me where Mr Potato Head is at the moment?
Living rent free in your head with Abbott, Morrison & Trump.... :shh
Ha. Unlike you with your fixation on Albo.
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Can someone tell me where Mr Potato Head is at the moment?
Living rent free in your head with Abbott, Morrison & Trump.... :shh
Ha. Unlike you with your fixation on Albo.
Well he is a handsome boy......still has to go though.... :shh
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what they dgaf is airbus albo and his cohorts shrinking the wealth of most australians.
I can remember interest rates at 17%.
I doubt that you can. Way before your time methinks.
Unless you have been living under a rock most people would know this despite what age they are.
What you fail to mention is that it was at the level for less than 1 year. :shh
Also and most importantly there was no left avo brigade spending money they don't have.
Also much better leaders than what we have now.
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Blah, blah, blah.
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Also much better leaders than what we have now.
Bob Hawke.?
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It's good to have the adults back in charge. It is hard to see Mr Potato Head and Scotty from Marketing making this sort of treaty.
So by this logic
Does that mean Rudd The Dud or Gillard weren’t adults?
Didn’t see them “making this sort of treaty”
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It's good to have the adults back in charge. It is hard to see Mr Potato Head and Scotty from Marketing making this sort of treaty.
So by this logic
Does that mean Rudd The Dud or Gillard weren’t adults?
Didn’t see them “making this sort of treaty”
They were too busy electrocuting tradies, overseeing mass drownings, self-righteous hypocritical speeches for the benefit of the political classes, the social media peanut gallery and childless wine aunts, pointless summits, courting vacuous celebrities and performative apologies for things that never actually happened.....you know the usual "adult" stuff... :shh
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Mind you none of that is nearly as "adult" as *check notes* releasing convicted pedophile "asylum seekers" back into the community..... :shh
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It's good to have the adults back in charge. It is hard to see Mr Potato Head and Scotty from Marketing making this sort of treaty.
So by this logic
Does that mean Rudd The Dud or Gillard weren’t adults?
Didn’t see them “making this sort of treaty”
They were too busy electrocuting tradies, overseeing mass drownings, self-righteous hypocritical speeches for the benefit of the political classes, the social media peanut gallery and childless wine aunts, pointless summits, courting vacuous celebrities and performative apologies for things that never actually happened.....you know the usual "adult" stuff... :shh
Was only a few tradies"
No biggy. Adult Airbus stuff
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Mind you none of that is nearly as "adult" as *check notes* releasing convicted pedophile "asylum seekers" back into the community..... :shh
Are you referring to the imminent release of those in detention due to the High Court ruling this week?
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Yeah I'm sure it's just a coincidence it's happening under a Labor(sic) government...#adultsincharge :shh
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Yeah I'm sure it's just a coincidence it's happening under a Labor(sic) government...#adultsincharge :shh
Really?
I have no issue with your anti Albo rhetoric, really I don't. Great thing about a democracy is people can voice (no pun intended ;D) opinions
You say coincidence but you have made a suggestion
So to even suggest that the High Court is supposedly being corrupted by the current government and its decison is one they been forced into by the government is one of the most over the top conspiracy theories of the last decade
Forget you are calling into question the integrity of said court
So when the same court quashed Pell's conviction under the previous federal government I didn't see any "suggestions" it was just a coincidence that it happened under a conservative government that was so heavily influenced by a number overtly religious "leaders and ex leaders"
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LMAO - heaps of leftwits said exactly that at the time....doesn't change the fact that our borders go to shyte & sovereignty gets compromised whenever the "adults" from Labor(sic) are in power.... :shh
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#adultairbusalbomustgo
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LMAO - heaps of leftwits said exactly that at the time....doesn't change the fact that our borders go to shyte & sovereignty gets compromised whenever the "adults" from Labor(sic) are in power.... :shh
Seeing the case was before the High Court while the previous government was in power that is a silly comment
Case was challenging laws passed while a coalition government was in power
FWIW while I accept the court's decison I don't actually like or agree with it
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Who do think funds & backs these cases? :shh
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Fascinating article.
Let's see if we can avoid the usual replies from the peanut gallery.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-s-not-the-mayor-of-marrickville-so-let-s-eject-the-airbus-albo-stuff-20231113-p5ejhr.html
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lmao - if it wasn't for double standards you lot wouldn't have any standards... :shh
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https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deputy-pm-s-3-6m-in-vip-flights-on-greens-radar-20230829-p5e09i.html
Fascinating article
Interesting what 65 and the rest of the peanut gallery say
#airbusalbo
#onhiswatch
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https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deputy-pm-s-3-6m-in-vip-flights-on-greens-radar-20230829-p5e09i.html
Fascinating article
Interesting what 65 and the rest of the peanut gallery say
#airbusalbo
#onhiswatch
$3.6m in a year, not a bad effort
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https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deputy-pm-s-3-6m-in-vip-flights-on-greens-radar-20230829-p5e09i.html
Fascinating article
Interesting what 65 and the rest of the peanut gallery say
#airbusalbo
#onhiswatch
Despised by the right & the left now and getting attacked from both sides - simply can't continue in such an untenable position #airbusmustgo #sackhandsomeboy :shh
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Veteran Liberal Party MP Russell Broadbent quits party after losing preselection and moves to the crossbench.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/veteran-liberal-party-mp-russell-broadbent-quits-party-moves-to-crossbench-20231114-p5ejsr.html
One of the quirks of the Westminster system.
Anyway, it leaves the House of Reps now at ALP 78, LNP 55, Crossbench 17.
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Veteran Liberal Party MP Russell Broadbent quits party after losing preselection and moves to the crossbench.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/veteran-liberal-party-mp-russell-broadbent-quits-party-moves-to-crossbench-20231114-p5ejsr.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/veteran-liberal-party-mp-russell-broadbent-quits-party-moves-to-crossbench-20231114-p5ejsr.html)
One of the quirks of the Westminster system.
Anyway, it leaves the House of Reps now at ALP 78, LNP 55, Crossbench 17.
Liberal Party is as good as dead and buried especially with Mr Potato Head in charge. It will be Labor vs Independents/Greens.
I can't wait for the chorus of Albos gotta go. Boring!!!
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I can't wait for the chorus of Albos gotta go. Boring!!!
#Airbusalbomustgo
Bloke is a petulant child and a fraud
Party is irrelevant, he’s just an utter flog
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Veteran Liberal Party MP Russell Broadbent quits party after losing preselection and moves to the crossbench.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/veteran-liberal-party-mp-russell-broadbent-quits-party-moves-to-crossbench-20231114-p5ejsr.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/veteran-liberal-party-mp-russell-broadbent-quits-party-moves-to-crossbench-20231114-p5ejsr.html)
One of the quirks of the Westminster system.
Anyway, it leaves the House of Reps now at ALP 78, LNP 55, Crossbench 17.
Liberal Party is as good as dead and buried especially with Mr Potato Head in charge. It will be Labor vs Independents/Greens.
I can't wait for the chorus of Albos gotta go. Boring!!!
Cope and seethe Bolshiebot.... #handsomeboymustgo #groundtheairbus4good :shh
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-65 should worry about himself and airhead albo not that broady stooge . Airbus is reaching and must be feeling the pressure, if he isn't even happy that a female has entered the landscape.
It's time to go now fraud. Nothing is more clearer.
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-65 should worry about himself and airhead albo not that broady stooge . Airbus is reaching and must be feeling the pressure, if he isn't even happy that a female has entered the landscape.
It's time to go now fraud. Nothing is more clearer.
Can someone please translate this for me.
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-65 should worry about himself and airhead albo not that broady stooge . Airbus is reaching and must be feeling the pressure, if he isn't even happy that a female has entered the landscape.
It's time to go now fraud. Nothing is more clearer.
Can someone please translate this for me.
It says Airbus Albo must go. :shh
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-65 should worry about himself and airhead albo not that broady stooge . Airbus is reaching and must be feeling the pressure, if he isn't even happy that a female has entered the landscape.
It's time to go now fraud. Nothing is more clearer.
Can someone please translate this for me.
It says Airbus Albo must go.
Thanks.
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-65 should worry about himself and airhead albo not that broady stooge . Airbus is reaching and must be feeling the pressure, if he isn't even happy that a female has entered the landscape.
It's time to go now fraud. Nothing is more clearer.
Can someone please translate this for me.
It says Airbus Albo must go. :shh
:bow :bow :bow
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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-65 should worry about himself and airhead albo not that broady stooge . Airbus is reaching and must be feeling the pressure, if he isn't even happy that a female has entered the landscape.
It's time to go now fraud. Nothing is more clearer.
Can someone please translate this for me.
It says Airbus Albo must go. :shh
:bow :bow :bow
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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Dutton is an absolute moron.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/an-ugly-fight-we-do-not-need-in-anxious-times-20231115-p5ek93.html
A cheap ploy for political gain has brought on an ugly fight that parliament did not need to have and Australians did not need to hear.
Peter Dutton saw a chance to provoke Anthony Albanese on border protection, but ran so hard towards his big political moment that he tripped over himself with his angry, bellicose claims.
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A cheap ploy for political gain has brought on an ugly fight that parliament did not need to have and Australians did not need to hear.
Substitute parliament for the Australian public and we have what apartheid Albo did with the referendum
He must go
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Time for the airbus to depart the station. Albo must go
Has to go
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Use albo's airbus to deport all the terrorists, murderers, rapists & pedos he set free. #handsomeboymustgo :shh
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https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/paul-murray/anthony-albanese-has-a-glass-jaw-when-pressure-is-applied/video/15d7e6737b07538ce0f9f0a693d3ebba
LMAO at how badly Albo spoke
It’s time without doubt
Joke of a leader
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https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/paul-murray/anthony-albanese-has-a-glass-jaw-when-pressure-is-applied/video/15d7e6737b07538ce0f9f0a693d3ebba
LMAO at how badly Albo spoke
It’s time without doubt
Joke of a leader
Getting completely desperate Damo if you're posting links to Paul "cried on election night at LNP HQ" Murray on Sky News :rollin.
(https://i.redd.it/sdrrutfadz091.jpg)
But those here who post and parrot whatever the media (especially Sky News) feeds them without question :shh, think the media's hysterical & clueless LNP sycophants know more ...
:shh
After Dutton's embarrassing efforts in QT over the past two days, I'm not surprised the Murdoch minions are desperately trying to spin it more than Warnie :wallywink. Dutton showed he was utterly clueless about the Separation of Powers, pathetically tried to make anti-Semitism political, and then claimed the PM shouldn't attend APEC when Australia was the country that started APEC :stupid. No wonder there's rumours of unrest within the Libs about Voldemort :shh.
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rubbish MT
I pointed out nothing about what Murray had to say
I commented solely on the video of Airbus in question time .. and he was appalling
Nobody could excuse how pathetic he was .. it bordered on sad comedy .. flustered in his actions and pathetic in his words ..
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rubbish MT
I pointed out nothing about what Murray had to say
I commented solely on the video of Airbus in question time .. and he was appalling
Nobody could excuse how pathetic he was .. it bordered on sad comedy .. flustered in his actions and pathetic in his words ..
Damo, I think the response will be along the lines of how dare we post stuff from some sites whilst for the last 10 years we have been getting absolutely bot posted with labour propaganda poo
Seems to be the go to response
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There is no saving some of the people in this thread.
There is something that can save Australia and that's the day Airbus Albo finally goes. He has to go
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WTF is going on here
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/increasingly-clueless-and-incompetent-credlin-blasts-anthony-albanese-as-missing-in-action/news-story/efa3c5aa119f8a9b306606e97ba09fa3
government had to draft emergency legislation following the High Court’s decision to rule indefinite immigration detention as unlawful, releasing more than 80 foreign criminals on the street.
“These foreign criminals will all still be eligible for welfare, and rent assistance, and travel assistance—even $10,000's worth of support to help them set up a home," she said.
“But still, it gets worse – we learn today that in addition to welfare, these foreign criminals could be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars each in compensation for their indefinite detention.
Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars each after they abused Australia and our hospitality.”
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Sky News and Peta Credlin. LMAO
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People are aware that law the High Court ruled on was a coalition law. A law that Dutton, Leys, Littleproud et al were responsible for?
As for Peta Credlin she needs to take a depth breath, her boss was PM at the time the laws were introduced.
Rather than political point scoring they should take some responsibility for the mess they created
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Sky News and Peta Credlin. LMAO
How dare you, after your 10 or so years of spam botting your labor is great poo
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Sky News and Peta Credlin. LMAO
How dare you, after your 10 or so years of spam botting your labor is great poo
Should only be allowed to parrot trusted unbiased sources such the ABCCP, the Red Guard-ian, The Reject and Fauxfacts here... :shh
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Sky News and Peta Credlin. LMAO
How dare you, after your 10 or so years of spam botting your labor is great poo
Does this make sense to anyone?
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Sky News and Peta Credlin. LMAO
How dare you, after your 10 or so years of spam botting your labor is great poo
Should only allowed to parrot trusted unbiased sources such the ABCCP, the Red Guard-ian, The Reject and Fauxfacts here...
Another non-sensical statement.
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Sky News and Peta Credlin. LMAO
How dare you, after your 10 or so years of spam botting your labor is great poo
Should only allowed to parrot trusted unbiased sources such the ABCCP, the Red Guard-ian, The Reject and Fauxfacts here...
Another non-sensical statement.
Makes perfect sense to everyone except you, champ. Take your guardian subscription elsewhere if you can't handle the fact that Albo must go.
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Sky News and Peta Credlin. LMAO
How dare you, after your 10 or so years of spam botting your labor is great poo
Should only allowed to parrot trusted unbiased sources such the ABCCP, the Red Guard-ian, The Reject and Fauxfacts here...
Another non-sensical statement.
Makes perfect sense to everyone except you, champ. Take your guardian subscription elsewhere if you can't handle the fact that Albo must go.
:lol
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Dutton being Dutton again. No wonder the Gang of Four (aka Albo must go) like him so much.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/17/dutton-migration-zones-immigration-detention-rejected
Peter Dutton has claimed that “migration zones” could be set up to deal with people released from detention by the high court, a suggestion immediately rejected as nonsensical and unconstitutional.
The opposition leader made the comments on Friday morning in an interview boasting about Labor caving in to his demands to toughen restrictions on people released from detention in response to the high court decision on indefinite detention.
On Thursday evening parliament passed a bill imposing electronic monitoring and curfews on those released on bridging visas due to the decision, with breaches of conditions now punishable by a mandatory minimum sentence of one year in prison.
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First opposition leader to actually make government policy. Already has his place in the pantheon of political greats assured regardless of what happens from here on in - and assured Albo's eternal place in the hall of shame. :clapping #handsomeboyfinished #mustgo #onetermgovernment
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Already has his place in the pantheon of political greats assured
Dutton a political great? LMAO
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Already has his place in the pantheon of political greats assured
Dutton a political great? LMAO
Yes
Albo must go
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Already has his place in the pantheon of political greats assured
Dutton a political great? LMAO
Not surprised you can’t see it
You can’t even work out that Albo must go
#Groundtheairbus
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Dutton being Dutton again. No wonder the Gang of Four (aka Albo must go) like him so much.
Wonder who make up the Gang of Four?
Reckon you are selling the movement short lol
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Wonder who make up the Gang of Four?
Dio, Damo, Chuck and AT. 😁
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Wonder who make up the Gang of Four?
Dio, Damo, Chuck and AT. 😁
Lol
Poor Frankie misses the cut amongst others
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Wonder who make up the Gang of Four?
Dio, Damo, Chuck and AT. 😁
Lol
Poor Frankie misses the cut amongst others
FJ the O.G..... :shh
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:-*
Wonder who make up the Gang of Four?
Dio, Damo, Chuck and AT. 😁
Lol
Poor Frankie misses the cut amongst others
FJ is the only one that makes sense.
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FJ is the only one that makes sense.
'65 finally admitting that #albomustgo..... :clapping
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FJ is the only one that makes sense.
'65 finally admitting that #albomustgo..... :clapping
Ha!
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FJ is the only one that makes sense.
'65 finally admitting that #albomustgo..... :clapping
Lmao
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Dio magic there
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I have thought long and hard over a few beers and have decided...albo must go
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FJ is the only one that makes sense.
'65 finally admitting that #albomustgo..... :clapping
Ha!
65 and dio providing some laughs here.
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More on Dutton. This from the RedGuardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/18/peter-dutton-strongman-persona-matches-our-grim-times-but-has-he-fired-up-his-opponents-as-well
Now I’m all for blokes finding new hobbies in midlife, but Dutton ululating about social cohesion strains credulity. Big D lives for othering. That’s his brand, his mode, his methodology.
Check the record. Dutton didn’t seem worried about social cohesion when he declared Malcolm Fraser made mistakes in bringing some people (particularly Lebanese Muslims) into Australia in the 1970s. Or when he claimed Victorians were “scared to go out to restaurants” because of “African gang violence”. Or when he contended pregnant victims of rape on Nauru were “trying it on” by seeking abortions in Australia.
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More on Dutton. This from the RedGuardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/18/peter-dutton-strongman-persona-matches-our-grim-times-but-has-he-fired-up-his-opponents-as-well
Now I’m all for blokes finding new hobbies in midlife, but Dutton ululating about social cohesion strains credulity. Big D lives for othering. That’s his brand, his mode, his methodology.
Check the record. Dutton didn’t seem worried about social cohesion when he declared Malcolm Fraser made mistakes in bringing some people (particularly Lebanese Muslims) into Australia in the 1970s. Or when he claimed Victorians were “scared to go out to restaurants” because of “African gang violence”. Or when he contended pregnant victims of rape on Nauru were “trying it on” by seeking abortions in Australia.
Quotes from the guardian is very desperate.
All Roads lead to one outcome. The airhead must go and go now.
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This used to be a really interesting thread, great albeit sometimes heated discussions around political and social issues.
Now it is well just a troll fest.
I know why it is like this now so Dio you don't need to post ad nauseam about the whys.
I know when it started and I know when it escalated to what we have now
But it really is unfortunate
Perhaps we should run a poll on whether to close it down 🤔 (just thinking out loud)
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No 1 post on this thread ended with the quote below. Some things never change.
Its a farce and Gillard is becoming one also. She is gawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn by next election
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My favourite thread on the site
Now that there is some balance
Was years of pro Labor spamming .. but now there is articles both ways we want to close the thread?
What a joke that would be
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My favourite thread on the site
Now that there is some balance
Was years of pro Labor spamming .. but now there is articles both ways we want to close the thread?
What a joke that would be
Funny it started with anti-Labor rhetoric.
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This is a good place to discuss the way the world and. Society is going . A. Variety of point of views is useful as it stimulates one to look at things from a different perspective and to look at different pathways moving forward.
However for me posting on here is usually a big NO as it appears to me discussions can get quite aggressive … just my two cents worth.
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My favourite thread on the site
Now that there is some balance
Was years of pro Labor spamming .. but now there is articles both ways we want to close the thread?
What a joke that would be
Damo, you seemed to have missed or perhaps ignored what I thought was 2 deliberate & pertinent statements in my post and that were....
I know why it is like this now so Dio you don't need to post ad nauseam about the whys.
I know when it started and I know when it escalated to what we have now
So no need to point out the obvious...
It is just disappointing that there seems to very little discussion around the articles being posted.
Personally I used to post alot in this thread but now keep my post to a minimum. My reason have nothing to do with more pro coalition articles being posted but was driven by being accused by a poster on here as being a racist a couple of years ago.
What made it worse at the time and it still irks me to this day was not one other poster on here called it out, reported it or complained about it. But during the same time line folks have continually complained about trolling due to pro Labor articles being posted. I still do this :huh3 because I know which I think is worse...but anyway.. vent over :cheers
I also said I was thinking out loud that's all... thread won't be closed
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My favourite thread on the site
Now that there is some balance
Was years of pro Labor spamming .. but now there is articles both ways we want to close the thread?
What a joke that would be
Damo, you seemed to have missed or perhaps ignored what I thought was 2 eliberate & pertinent statements in my post and that were....
I know why it is like this now so Dio you don't need to post ad nauseam about the whys.
I know when it started and I know when it escalated to what we have now
So no need to point out the obvious...
It is just disappointing that there seems to very little discussion around the articles being posted.
Personally I used to post alot in this thread but now keep my post to a minimum. My reason have nothing to do with more pro coalition articles being posted but was driven by being accused by a poster on here as being a racist a couple of years ago.
What made it worse at the time and it still irks me to this day was not one other poster on here called it out, reported it or complained about it. But during the same time line folks have continually complained about trolling due to pro Labor articles being posted. I still do this :huh3 because I know which I think is worse...but anyway.. vent over :cheers
I also said I was thinking out loud that's all... thread won't be closed
very true damo much more balanced i feel. Seems some cant handle it which is very typical of a certain direction. (left)
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This thread is fine when adults commence a discussion about political issues and debate with a bit of respect but unfortunately one poster always spammed the thread with ridiculous articles
With that being said
Albo must go.
Has to go
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This thread is fine when adults commence a discussion about political issues and debate with a bit of respect but unfortunately one poster always spammed the thread with ridiculous articles
Yes articles from Sky News have no credibility whatsoever.
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If we locked up the mentally ill like we used to the left would never win another election....hell the Greens would barely get a single vote not that it would matter because they wouldn't be able to field any candidates..... :shh
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rubbish MT
I pointed out nothing about what Murray had to say
I commented solely on the video of Airbus in question time .. and he was appalling
Nobody could excuse how pathetic he was .. it bordered on sad comedy .. flustered in his actions and pathetic in his words ..
I watched QT that day. In that Sky News clip you posted, Murray's rant is falsely linking that snippet of Albanese directly to Dutton's spiel in the first part of the clip when instead Albanese was responding a motion put forward by Dutton where the low-life pathetically tried to politicise anti-Semitism.
FFS, check Hansard (Nov 15) and you'd see that Tehan spoke after Dutton before Albanese got up to reply and the part quoted of Albanese in that Sky News clip is about ten paragraphs into his full reply and ignores what Albanese said leading up to it about anti-Semitism as well as Dutton's hypocrisy over the High Court's decision when earlier in the year Dutton said 'You've got to respect the Constitution. You can't change the Constitution, because if you do, you can't out-legislate it.'
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/chamber/hansardr/27180/toc_pdf/House%20of%20Representatives_2023_11_15.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf
But nah, it's Murray who is having another on-air tantrum because Albanese calls out this 'Sky after Dark' BS. No surprise yet again the Murdoch propaganda from its crybaby shrills falsely and deliberately cherry picks to try to deceive their gullible viewers & readers who just swallow everything they are spoon fed without question ::).
As for Dutton, he tried to shut down the discussion the following day ("I move that the minister be no longer heard") and then ran out of the chamber when he didn't have the numbers and didn't get his own way. The dope was formerly in charge of immigration and border protection for 4 years (2014-18) and this HC mess is ultimately his creation, but he wants to blame everyone else for it ::). What a hypocritical coward! :yep
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Dutton a coward?
He’s tougher than Tyson combined with Ali , compared to Albo
Do you need me to link Albo running from the media pre-election again??
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Dutton a coward?
He’s tougher than Tyson combined with Ali , compared to Albo
Do you need me to link Albo running from the media pre-election again??
Dutton ran out of the chamber rather than face the music when his pathetic politicising of anti-Semitism, cluelessness about the Separation of Powers, and his own involvement as the former Immigration minister from 2014-18 for this High Court mess ended up backfiring. The little boy took his bat and ball and ran home. Yep, he's a hypocritical bigoted coward! :chickenlittle We shouldn't be surprised though. After all, unlike us Melburnians, the scaredy cat is frightened of going out to restaurants at night :shh.
You mean that Murdoch media gotcha question pre-election asking about running much higher deficits than the LNP's record deficit and debt, and then them sooking as usual when Albanese didn't fall for it. Funny how there's surpluses now instead. Of course, the media pre-election didn't want to consider a surplus scenario because it didn't suit their negative BS narrative which treats the public with contempt ::).
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This used to be a really interesting thread, great albeit sometimes heated discussions around political and social issues.
Now it is well just a troll fest.
I know why it is like this now so Dio you don't need to post ad nauseam about the whys.
I know when it started and I know when it escalated to what we have now
But it really is unfortunate
Perhaps we should run a poll on whether to close it down 🤔 (just thinking out loud)
It was always a troll fest - amazing you're now openly calling it that when previously anyone dare mentioned who that troll was or called them out had those posts deleted with strenuous refutations from you that the person was even trolling... :shh
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It was always a troll fest - amazing you're now openly calling it that when previously anyone dare mentioned who that troll was or called them out had those posts deleted with strenuous refutations from you that the person was even trolling... :shh
I know I'm going to regret this post and especially considering the news we got this morning but I digress
But here you go I hope you at least read it even though I know you will vehemently disagree
But someone posting article after article favouring one side of politics and offering nothing else to the discussion is not trolling. As painful as it may appear (and yes I find it painful, childish and ridiculous TBBH) it isn't trolling.
So that's why the posts you have constantly complained within the post and potted another poster were removed. Site rules are very clear and they explain how posters are not to take matters into their own hands and post on the forum their grievances, use the report to moderator function (see 3 strike policy post)
Adding references that include other posters names to bait for a response over and over again that's trolling and baiting.
Posting responses to those articles without even quoting said article with repetitive hash tag slogans is trolling which is happening alot now but hey guess what lately they haven't been removed. Don't see you complaining about that.
I actually understand your angst, frustration call it what you want because I have hated the articles as well but as I said they haven't broken any rules that's why they were never removed. I just ignored them because they simply didn't deserve a reply. It wasn't because I agreed or disagreed with the articles contents I just didn't want to give them any more airtime or relevance ...
**I feel this post is going to get reported ;)"
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In the interest of WP's sanity, no more articles and links from me.
Hopefully the gang of 4 will stop the endless "Albo must go" posts.
'65
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In the interest of WP's sanity, no more articles and links from me.
Hopefully the gang of 4 will stop the endless "Albo must go" posts.
'65
We cop your nonsense for YEARS
We do it for a few months and the toys get thrown out the cot
You ask us to stop , why should we? You never did.
It’s clear as day that the airbus should be grounded ..
Your opinion on how people should behave in this thread carries as much weight as a soggy flamonge
Be like Stuart Broad complaining about the “spirit of cricket”
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:bow well said Damo
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In the interest of WP's sanity, no more articles and links from me.
Hopefully the gang of 4 will stop the endless "Albo must go" posts.
'65
As an example...
The above is a clear bait and troll
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In the interest of WP's sanity, no more articles and links from me.
Hopefully the gang of 4 will stop the endless "Albo must go" posts.
'65
As an example...
The above is a clear bait and troll
Voice of reason as normal
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Serious question
This one will see if people can put aside party bias and respond without rose coloured glasses
Surely you all agree that the way Albanese handled the Aussie diver being injured by the Chinese warship was weak as pee?
What a gutless leader we have
China would LOVE us having him at the helm
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China loves a Labor(sic) government - all Australia's enemies do.... :shh
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Serious question
This one will see if people can put aside party bias and respond without rose coloured glasses
Surely you all agree that the way Albanese handled the Aussie diver being injured by the Chinese warship was weak as pee?
Exceptionally poor IMHO
Even if you apply the "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" philosophy his inability to answer relatively straight forward questions on the issue was terrible. There are certain things you have to stand up for and the safety of all Aussies is the most important without any form of compromise
I get why it's important to have China on side (the keep your friends close and your enemies closer philosophy applies) for the purposes of trade and getting those tariffs lifted that have almost crippled certain industries. That needed to happen but not at the expense of not taking a stand with regard to our national security
Can I add one thing I think it was a bit rich of Mr Dutton to go on national TV this morning and say the PM needs to just say he made a msitake and tell people the truth. I don't remember Mr Dutton telling all of us why he wouldn't tell us the truth as to why he kicked out Dusty's Dad and wouldn't let him back into Aust ;D
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There is a fair difference between this issue and Dutton deporting someone who wasn't an Australian citizen + had committed crimes here in the past and also had major involvement in the Rebels, WP. He also wasn't the only person deported for the exact same reason. He simply had a very famous footballer as a son that everyone on this site loves
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There is a fair difference between this issue and Dutton deporting someone who wasn't an Australian citizen + had committed crimes here in the past and also had major involvement in the Rebels, WP. He also wasn't the only person deported for the exact same reason. He simply had a very famous footballer as a son that everyone on this site loves
I get that AT
But my point was I always find it a bit rich when pollies call one another demanding they tell the truth when the ones doing the calling out haven't exactly been truthful themselves on various issues. The majority of them aren't exactly honest which is the sad reflection of where our political landscape sits these days.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-23/inflation-anthony-albanese-at-odds-reserve-bank-michele-bullock/103142978
did he spare the previous government the same luxury. :shh
ALBO talking poo as usual. Time to go pal.
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WTF is this about a boat load of illegal immigrants who have landed without being detected
Bloody labor asleep on the job like usual
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WTF is this about a boat load of illegal immigrants who have landed without being detected
Bloody labor asleep on the job like usual
10th one since Albo took over Chuck
Kinda getting boring now .. will be another in the coming weeks
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RIP Peta Murphy
So very sad .. cancer is such a brutal disease :banghead :banghead :banghead
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WTF is this about a boat load of illegal immigrants who have landed without being detected
Bloody labor asleep on the job like usual
10th one since Albo took over Chuck
Kinda getting boring now .. will be another in the coming weeks
May as well make a land bridge from Indonesia to Australia
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The predators they do catch get let out into society to assault woman.
Airhead has completely lost the plot. Shambles what is allowed to happen here.
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The predators they do catch get let out into society to assault woman.
Airhead has completely lost the plot. Shambles what is allowed to happen here.
Wonder if White Ribbon are saying anything about or more likely they are Labor sycophants and keeping quiet
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#betamalealbomustgo :shh
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Higgins paid $2.3m for allegedly being raped.
Labor probably consider that a small price to pay for getting into power
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This payout from Alby stinks worse than the Blues paper bag deals
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Albo is a cuck. Must go
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https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/it-s-hunting-season-for-terminator-dutton-as-albanese-flounders-20231206-p5epel.html
Must go Albo
It’s actually getting to the point of being embarrassing and sad
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https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/it-s-hunting-season-for-terminator-dutton-as-albanese-flounders-20231206-p5epel.html
Must go Albo
It’s actually getting to the point of being embarrassing and sad
She's a very good writer is Niki Savva, very fair, very balanced
Have to say she on the money. The last 3 months in particular have been horrific for the government
They missed a golden opportunity to regain some lost ground with the High Court decision but they blew it.
Facts are the law the High Court turfed out and deemed illegal was a law written and passed by the previous Coalition Government. Dutton was actually Home Affairs minister at the time. But the way the Government have handle it you wouldn't know it. They've allowed the Opposition and the media to control the narrative rather than going on the attack. Then when they tried to attack they bumbled their way through it
Stupidity of the highest order.
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certain people have certainly gone missing in recent times, but for years we had to put up with slomo this slomo that. Hawaii this and hawaii that.
there is a sense of vindication watching the airhead destroy the place. That rubbish voice sealed the deal for some alp voters i know.
what a fraud.
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WA
VIC
Qld
Any danger that a Labor party premier can complete the term they are voted in to do
What a joke
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WA
VIC
Qld
Any danger that a Labor party premier can complete the term they are voted in to do
What a joke
Serving multiple terms as premier then retiring is fair enough. Even Jeff Kennett says 7-9 years is the limit for political leaders now days.
Andrews - 8 years, 298 days (3 election victories).
McGowan - 6 years, 83 days (2 election victories).
Palaszczuk - 8 years, 298 days (3 election victories).
You do realise Menzies retired midterm. A by-election was held in his electorate of Kooyong in April 1966 and then the voters had to go back to the polls in November for the federal election.
By the way Damo, you don't say a word when the LNP changes premiers/PMs midterm and most of these below barely served a single term or less ::).
Feds - Abbott (dumped) -> Turnbull (dumped) -> Morrison.
VIC - Baillieu (dumped) -> Napthine.
NSW - O'Farrell (resigned) -> Baird (resigned) -> Berejiklian (jumped) -> Perrottet.
Qld - Bjelke-Petersen (forced into retirement) -> Ahern (dumped) -> Cooper.
Tas - Hodgman (retired) -> Gutwein (retired with grace & humility :clapping ) -> Rockliff -> ? .... Tassie govt in turmoil as we type.
SA - Brown (dumped) -> Olsen (resigned) -> Kerin
NT - Mills (dumped after just 196 days) -> Giles
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Another lost soul leaving a sinking ship. goodbye Chook
ALP/Greens are falling apart. You know this when the hypocrites show up.
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LMAO @ MT going all the way back to the end of the Joh era - who'd been premier for nearly 20 years - for the QLD example....it's a wonder he didn't chuck in Menzies - Holt - Gorton - McMahon as well.... :joker :propeller :shh
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:lol :lol
i was surprised willy haines didnt get a mention.
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:lol
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:lol :lol
i was surprised willy haines didnt get a mention.
Chris Watson says hello
Makes the Mills 196 days seem like an eternity
Regardless, it’s time Albo goes
#groundtheairbus
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LMAO @ MT going all the way back to the end of the Joh era - who'd been premier for nearly 20 years - for the QLD example....
Given Qld Labor has won 9 of the past 10 state elections up there, it was a bit hard to find a more recent LNP example :shh. Queenslanders are different cats. Each side can be in power for decades and since the 90s they usually choose a state govt that's the opposite stripe to the one in Canberra. By the way, Ahern to Cooper wasn't 20 years :shh but having said that Joh had to be dragged out of office by his own side. Actually, he tried to sack most of the cabinet in a desperate attempt to remain premier, but the Governor blocked him from doing it.
ps. You've reminded me of this Fast Forward skit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l2doxjnn3Y
And the real Jana Wendt & Joh interview it's based on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuAVO0jSW5U?t=300
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I've changed my mind guys
For the betterment of Australia, he can't go. Just let him bumble and stumble and make a fool of himself and us for another 18 months. Then the disaster is over.
#albomuststay
#stickwithairbus
This imbecile is the best shot Labor has of losing the next election. So I am all for it.
If I didn't know better, I would think he was planted there by the Libs to sabotage Labor from within.
Losing the next election is genuinely becoming a possibility.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/sunrise-host-monique-ryan-launches-scathing-takedown-of-out-of-touch-anthony-albanese/news-story/4f7337ef7b8368c3fe6f5b42729929a9
Polling released by RedBridge today shows support for Labor among those with a TAFE, trade or vocational education qualification has slumped to 30 per cent, down six points, while support for the Liberals is up 10 per cent to 39 per cent.
That bleeding of support has been attributed to the cost-of-living crisis and a growing feeling in vast parts of the electorate that Mr Albanese isn’t doing enough to help struggling Aussies.
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#blunderbussalbomuststay :shh
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Not disputing the numbers Damo but the same poll showed the ALP's 2PP % is the same,e as when the won the election. Granted it has dropped but right now it is exactly the same as the last election.
Also, interesting was the bloke who owns and runs RedBridge (i follow him on twitter) made the comment that tradies do flip flop between elections and they are likely to flip their support back within 12 months
Certainly interesting times ahead
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Not disputing the numbers Damo but the same poll showed the ALP's 2PP % is the same,e as when the won the election. Granted it has dropped but right now it is exactly the same as the last election.
Also, interesting was the bloke who owns and runs RedBridge (i follow him on twitter) made the comment that tradies do flip flop between elections and they are likely to flip their support back within 12 months
Certainly interesting times ahead
In a two horse race , Labor should have won in a canter
Thanks to a horrible ride by a shocking jockey, they are now under a lot of pressure coming into the straight
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Not disputing the numbers Damo but the same poll showed the ALP's 2PP % is the same,e as when the won the election. Granted it has dropped but right now it is exactly the same as the last election.
Also, interesting was the bloke who owns and runs RedBridge (i follow him on twitter) made the comment that tradies do flip flop between elections and they are likely to flip their support back within 12 months
Certainly interesting times ahead
In a two horse race , Labor should have won in a canter
Thanks to a horrible ride by a shocking jockey, they are now under a lot of pressure coming into the straight
In the 2 horse race the one thing in the ALP'S favour is the other jockey is so unpopular. His numbers are worse than the ALP jockey
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so you say....
hang on isnt news owned by murdoch? wp lets us know this very oiften but not as often as 2 others :shh
here is another print today Damo.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-loses-lead-pm-s-ratings-slump-poll-20231217-p5es0f
Labor has lost its lead for the first time since winning power, and would be pushed into minority government if an election were held today, according to a new poll which also shows more than 60 per cent believe immigration levels are too high.
Anthony Albanese’s personal ratings continue to slide, in contrast with those of Peter Dutton, following a messy end to the year for the government underpinned by ongoing unrest over the cost of living.
The latest The Australian Financial Review/Freshwater Strategy poll shows that while cost of living remains unrivalled as the top concern of voters, unrest over immigration and asylum seekers has begun to grow, and voters are unimpressed at the government’s handling of it.
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Keep letting rapists, pedos & terrorists back on the the streets as more and more people need to take out loans just to pay for groceries and keep the lights on and the LNP could bring back Abbott with Bronwyn Bishop as deputy and still win in a canter... :shh
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Keep letting rapists, pedos & terrorists back on the the streets as more and more people need to take out loans just to pay for groceries and keep the lights on and the LNP could bring back Abbott with Bronwyn Bishop as deputy and still win in a canter... :shh
You do understand that the release of scumbags out of detention is due to a High Court decision? A decision that deemed a law bought in by the previous LNP government as unconstitutional and illegal? It wouldn't matter who was in power the scumbags would still need to be released. That decision no matter who pathetic it is; is a legal one and the government of the day had no choice but to abide by it and release them. You're not suggesting that we ignore the highest court in the land, the law and our constitution?
Perhaps if the previous govt had done their proper due diligence on the law when they drafted it prior to ramming it through we wouldn't have the current situation
I get everyone is doing it tough. Inflation, interest rates and the overall general cost of living.
But and this is a serious question, not one to deflect but what exactly can and should the government do?
More handouts that likely cause inflation to go up again? I don't think so
Interest rates are set by the Reserve Bank. Why they didn't act sooner around rates is mind boggling. Why didn't act leading into the last election when inflation was heading towards 6%+? Totally incompetently and derelict in thier duties. And to now have the new Governor suggest it is the consumer's fault because we are spending on "luxuries " like going to the dentist and getting haircuts :help :chuck :facepalm. I thought the previous Governor was a goose, the new one is a moron.
Food prices are set by companies hell bent on gouging profits. As inflation has dropped none of the supermarkets have dropped any of their prices. Why is that? Who's to blame for that
And just some think out loud....
What will be interesting is in the New Year will the govt give private health companies the OK to again raise their premiums. I don't know of one government in the last 10 years that have refused the private health request of an increase. Let's see if this government has the guts to say no. Want to help families? That would be a bloody good start
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Keep letting rapists, pedos & terrorists back on the the streets as more and more people need to take out loans just to pay for groceries and keep the lights on and the LNP could bring back Abbott with Bronwyn Bishop as deputy and still win in a canter... :shh
You do understand that the release of scumbags out of detention is due to a High Court decision? A decision that deemed a law bought in by the previous LNP government as unconstitutional and illegal? It wouldn't matter who was in power the scumbags would still need to be released. That decision no matter who pathetic it is; is a legal one and the government of the day had no choice but to abide by it and release them. You're not suggesting that we ignore the highest court in the land, the law and our constitution?
Perhaps if the previous govt had done their proper due diligence on the law when they drafted it prior to ramming it through we wouldn't have the current situation
I get everyone is doing it tough. Inflation, interest rates and the overall general cost of living.
But and this is a serious question, not one to deflect but what exactly can and should the government do?
More handouts that likely cause inflation to go up again? I don't think so
Interest rates are set by the Reserve Bank. Why they didn't act sooner around rates is mind boggling. Why didn't act leading into the last election when inflation was heading towards 6%+? Totally incompetently and derelict in thier duties. And to now have the new Governor suggest it is the consumer's fault because we are spending on "luxuries " like going to the dentist and getting haircuts :help :chuck :facepalm. I thought the previous Governor was a goose, the new one is a moron.
Food prices are set by companies hell bent on gouging profits. As inflation has dropped none of the supermarkets have dropped any of their prices. Why is that? Who's to blame for that
And just some think out loud....
What will be interesting is in the New Year will the govt give private health companies the OK to again raise their premiums. I don't know of one government in the last 10 years that have refused the private health request of an increase. Let's see if this government has the guts to say no. Want to help families? That would be a bloody good start
What can the government do?, how about run the country competently for starters.
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#albomuststay Chuck
That’s the key
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What can the government do?, how about run the country competently for starters.
Thanks for the non answer Chuck.
Give an example(s) of what in your view equals running the country competently?
Easy to throw out a comment but would be nice to read some examples.
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Yep never the government's fault when Laborious(sic) are in power.... just more of the usual ALCCP apologia.... :shh
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What can the government do?, how about run the country competently for starters.
Thanks for the non answer Chuck.
Give an example(s) of what in your view equals running the country competently?
Easy to throw out a comment but would be nice to read some examples.
Well I thought the biggest example was obvious, ie the referendum.
A total misread of the room that cost the Australian public millions of dollars of taxpayer funds not to mention the time wasted for everyone in Australia.
During this campaign for the referendum were the Labor party focused on running the country or was there time taken up with the referendum, this isnt a question as the answer is obvious.
A mis spend of money and time all because of Alby and his extremist views and self catering whims.
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A total misread of the room that cost the Australian public millions of dollars
Only 400 Chuck
It’s ok
#airbusaway
#albomuststay
#coalitionmole
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A total misread of the room that cost the Australian public millions of dollars
Only 400 Chuck
It’s ok
#airbusaway
#albomuststay
#coalitionmole
i see this didnt get a reply. :shh
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Talking of spending millions of dollars, why would the Labor party pay Higgins over $2m for an alledged rape?
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A total misread of the room that cost the Australian public millions of dollars
Only 400 Chuck
It’s ok
#airbusaway
#albomuststay
#coalitionmole
i see this didnt get a reply. :shh
Wow, I wasn't aware that I had to reply to everything in this thread in a timeframe deemed appropriate by you ::)
Sorry that my life and more importantly my family got in the way >:(
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LNP/Murdoch logic:
Dutton & co. wasting $5.5 billion on non-existent French subs, sports rorts, water rorts, land rorts, car park rorts, $1 trillion debt, out of control 6% inflation & rising, etc = all good.
Holding a democratic election/referendum (cost $400m) that was an election promise to get the public's view = bad.
:rollin
Our democratic rights cost us just $17 each to vote = the cost of a pizza. Small price to pay when compared to the 100,000 Aussies who paid the ultimate price to protect those rights. Talk about ungrateful! Clearly, "Lest We Forget" is just an empty slogan to those that parrot the treacherous Murdoch scum ::).
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Talking of spending millions of dollars, why would the Labor party pay Higgins over $2m for an alledged rape?
The Labor party didn't pay anything. It was the government and it was a settlement. If the LNP were still in government then they would've done the exact same thing to avoid being sued for a higher amount plus court costs.
The question that needs answering is why would a major media network pay a six-figure amount in rent to someone allegedly accused of rape by multiple women? It's all very suss!
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-met-toowoomba-woman-at-strip-club-before-rape-police-allege/news-story/1801ba5d43f5c51c4f5078d9a4df1938
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LNP/Murdoch logic:
Dutton & co. wasting $5.5 billion on non-existent French subs
Link please
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LNP/Murdoch logic:
Dutton & co. wasting $5.5 billion on non-existent French subs
Link please
https://www.macaubusiness.com/axed-french-sub-deal-to-cost-australia-up-to-5-5-billion/
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LNP/Murdoch logic:
Dutton & co. wasting $5.5 billion on non-existent French subs
Link please
https://www.macaubusiness.com/axed-french-sub-deal-to-cost-australia-up-to-5-5-billion/
https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20220611-australia-announces-compensation-deal-with-france-over-scrapped-submarine-contract
Strange with your own man Airbus quoted 2.4b USD
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LNP/Murdoch logic:
Dutton & co. wasting $5.5 billion on non-existent French subs
Link please
https://www.macaubusiness.com/axed-french-sub-deal-to-cost-australia-up-to-5-5-billion/
https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20220611-australia-announces-compensation-deal-with-france-over-scrapped-submarine-contract
Strange with your own man Airbus quoted 2.4b USD
That was the amount already spent on the program before it was aborted. Compensation was paid to the French firm involved
as well IIRC plus $ for Australian defence workers to wind down the project. I was quoting AUD too not USD. Even if it was 'only' $US 2.4b ($A 3.5b) wasted by Dutton & co. on non-existent subs, that's still nearly 9 times the cost of the referendum and doesn't alter the point I was making.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-18/australians-still-working-on-scrapped-french-submarines/100840910
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Talking of spending millions of dollars, why would the Labor party pay Higgins over $2m for an alledged rape?
The Labor party didn't pay anything. It was the government and it was a settlement. If the LNP were still in government then they would've done the exact same thing to avoid being sued for a higher amount plus court costs.
BS they would have
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One thing I know is that today is the first time I’ve felt insulted in this thread.
Sure , my intelligence has been insulted many times, but I am really annoyed by one part of what’s been said today.
MT, don’t tell me I’m ungrateful of the efforts of the ANZACS because I think the voice referendum was a waste of money. Linking “Lest We Forget” and “the ultimate sacrifice” to your argument is pathetic. Frankly, I think you are being disrespectful doing so.
Really stuffing peeed off. Considering I have been to 13 of the last 14 dawn services (including hosting one overseas), I don’t need someone telling me what I do and don’t respect with regards to our service men and woman, because I fall on a side of an argument you disagree with.
stuff Albo and stuff the voice referendum.
And to our fallen soldiers , “we will remember them” and I for one am thankful for the sacrifices you have made.
Side note, wonder what the diggers would have thought of how Dan Andrews locked us up for month upon month upon month. Democratic rights my arse. The nanny state Australia and specifically Victoria has become would make every single one of them roll over in their graves.
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One thing I know is that today is the first time I’ve felt insulted in this thread.
Sure , my intelligence has been insulted many times, but I am really annoyed by one part of what’s been said today.
MT, don’t tell me I’m ungrateful of the efforts of the ANZACS because I think the voice referendum was a waste of money. Linking “Lest We Forget” and “the ultimate sacrifice” to your argument is pathetic. Frankly, I think you are being disrespectful doing so.
Really stuffing peeed off. Considering I have been to 13 of the last 14 dawn services (including hosting one overseas), I don’t need someone telling me what I do and don’t respect with regards to our service men and woman, because I fall on a side of an argument you disagree with.
stuff Albo and stuff the voice referendum.
And to our fallen soldiers , “we will remember them” and I for one am thankful for the sacrifices you have made.
Side note, wonder what the diggers would have thought of how Dan Andrews locked us up for month upon month upon month. Democratic rights my arse. The nanny state Australia and specifically Victoria has become would make every single one of them roll over in their graves.
Yeh I usually rate MTs posts but that one was utter garbage
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One thing I know is that today is the first time I’ve felt insulted in this thread.
Sure , my intelligence has been insulted many times, but I am really annoyed by one part of what’s been said today.
MT, don’t tell me I’m ungrateful of the efforts of the ANZACS because I think the voice referendum was a waste of money. Linking “Lest We Forget” and “the ultimate sacrifice” to your argument is pathetic. Frankly, I think you are being disrespectful doing so.
Really stuffing peeed off. Considering I have been to 13 of the last 14 dawn services (including hosting one overseas), I don’t need someone telling me what I do and don’t respect with regards to our service men and woman, because I fall on a side of an argument you disagree with.
stuff Albo and stuff the voice referendum.
And to our fallen soldiers , “we will remember them” and I for one am thankful for the sacrifices you have made.
Side note, wonder what the diggers would have thought of how Dan Andrews locked us up for month upon month upon month. Democratic rights my arse. The nanny state Australia and specifically Victoria has become would make every single one of them roll over in their graves.
wouldnt bother with him/her damo.
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One thing I know is that today is the first time I’ve felt insulted in this thread.
Sure , my intelligence has been insulted many times, but I am really annoyed by one part of what’s been said today.
MT, don’t tell me I’m ungrateful of the efforts of the ANZACS because I think the voice referendum was a waste of money. Linking “Lest We Forget” and “the ultimate sacrifice” to your argument is pathetic. Frankly, I think you are being disrespectful doing so.
Really stuffing peeed off. Considering I have been to 13 of the last 14 dawn services (including hosting one overseas), I don’t need someone telling me what I do and don’t respect with regards to our service men and woman, because I fall on a side of an argument you disagree with.
stuff Albo and stuff the voice referendum.
And to our fallen soldiers , “we will remember them” and I for one am thankful for the sacrifices you have made.
Side note, wonder what the diggers would have thought of how Dan Andrews locked us up for month upon month upon month. Democratic rights my arse. The nanny state Australia and specifically Victoria has become would make every single one of them roll over in their graves.
Sorry, you do get the democratic right to say whatever you hate about Albo (as long as it's not legally defamatory) and you can say and argue the Voice idea was stupid or whatever and vote against it. But you don't get the right to tell the rest of us that we shouldn't have been allowed to vote on whether to alter our Constitution or not simply because you opposed the proposal and you hate Albo/Labor. FFS, by law a referendum must be held for such alterations. By the way, I most likely would have agreed with you if it had been just a plebiscite with no legal bearing or the polls had always showed public opposition to the Voice, but for 5 years the polls had shown a majority supporting it until the last few months leading up to the referendum date. It had been an unresolved issue for six years, plus the referendum was an election promise. I can just imagine what the LNP/Murdoch crowd would've screamed if Albo pulled the referendum at the last minute: "Bla bla bla Lay-bah broke its election promise", "Bla bla bla Albo goes back on his word", "Bla bla bla Lay-bah scared to face the people", etc ::). As for crying about the referendum cost after 9 years of the LNP rorting and peeing billions up the wall leaving nothing to show for it ... oh please! :nopity
What gave me the s***s was some of us here give up our time to work for the AEC/VEC at election time. Organising and delivering elections doesn't just happen you know. Forget about me, but it's an insult to others I know from various backgrounds who take leave from their real jobs and life so that democracy, that was hard fought and won in war and peacetime, can be delivered. Some of these people are pulling up to 15 hour shifts on election day so that everyone gets their vote and say. Think of them at least. Better yet register your name and see for yourself how it all works. It certainly gives everyone who does it a greater appreciation of the electoral process and how rigorous and fair our elections are no matter what the result.
As for your side note - classic NewsCorp speak which ignores Australian history. Directly following WW1, the Spanish Flu caused 40% of the then 5m population to get sick and which killed an estimated 12-15,000 Aussies despite a swift quarantine response. The returning diggers didn't complain about the quarantine requirements. Sadly over 1200 diggers died from it. Imagine surviving the hell-holes of Gallipoli, Flanders and/or the Middle East, only to die from influenza :(.
One particular respiratory infection that probably presented the most serious threat to the Australian forces came very late in the war in the shape of the Spanish flu pandemic. Among the AIF in France there were nearly 22,000 cases from the middle of 1918, and ultimately 1,238 died.
https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/article2
That overall Oz deathrate by the way would be equivalent to between 62,400 to 78,000 dying these days from our current 26m population. While the lockdowns sucked and there were govt stuff ups, the Covid response saved tens of thousands of people's lives. Pretty safe to say the diggers wouldn't be rolling in their graves because we saved lives :facepalm.
(https://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0007/545533/MA23195807-Quarantine-camp-1200w.jpg)
https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/influenza-pandemic#:~:text=Despite%20a%20swift%20quarantine%20response,the%20virus%20spread%20through%20Australia.
The first vaccine mandate was in Victoria on Nov 20, 1854, in response to a Smallpox outbreak in Ballarat. If you recognise the location and date, it was just two weeks before the Eureka Stockade. Funnily enough the miners revolted against the mining licences and NOT the vaccine mandate. I'd guess in an era where people often died from what are nowdays controlled diseases via vaccines, vaccine mandates were a godsend. Anti-vaxxers (not you) these days who grow up in a vaccinated society take it all for granted.
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/provenance-journal/provenance-2018/smallpox-ballarat
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/VicCompulsoryVax1854.png)
https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/hist_act/aatmctpov456.pdf
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Talking of spending millions of dollars, why would the Labor party pay Higgins over $2m for an alledged rape?
The Labor party didn't pay anything. It was the government and it was a settlement. If the LNP were still in government then they would've done the exact same thing to avoid being sued for a higher amount plus court costs.
BS they would have
Morrison as PM and head of the government at the time had already publicly apologised in Parliament to Higgins, while Higgins' statement of claim was reportedly given to the government on March 29, 2022 when the LNP was still in office. Federal Government lawyers would've been recommending agreeing to a settlement payout no matter who was in govt after the May 2022 election.
wouldnt bother with him/her damo.
Your continual obsession with my gender is just bizarre.
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One thing I know is that today is the first time I’ve felt insulted in this thread.
Sure , my intelligence has been insulted many times, but I am really annoyed by one part of what’s been said today.
MT, don’t tell me I’m ungrateful of the efforts of the ANZACS because I think the voice referendum was a waste of money. Linking “Lest We Forget” and “the ultimate sacrifice” to your argument is pathetic. Frankly, I think you are being disrespectful doing so.
Really stuffing peeed off. Considering I have been to 13 of the last 14 dawn services (including hosting one overseas), I don’t need someone telling me what I do and don’t respect with regards to our service men and woman, because I fall on a side of an argument you disagree with.
stuff Albo and stuff the voice referendum.
And to our fallen soldiers , “we will remember them” and I for one am thankful for the sacrifices you have made.
Side note, wonder what the diggers would have thought of how Dan Andrews locked us up for month upon month upon month. Democratic rights my arse. The nanny state Australia and specifically Victoria has become would make every single one of them roll over in their graves.
Sorry, you do get the democratic right to say whatever you hate about Albo (as long as it's not legally defamatory) and you can say and argue the Voice idea was stupid or whatever and vote against it. But you don't get the right to tell the rest of us that we shouldn't have been allowed to vote on whether to alter our Constitution or not simply because you opposed the proposal and you hate Albo/Labor. FFS, by law a referendum must be held for such alterations. By the way, I most likely would have agreed with you if it had been just a plebiscite with no legal bearing or the polls had always showed public opposition to the Voice, but for 5 years the polls had shown a majority supporting it until the last few months leading up to the referendum date. It had been an unresolved issue for six years, plus the referendum was an election promise. I can just imagine what the LNP/Murdoch crowd would've screamed if Albo pulled the referendum at the last minute: "Bla bla bla Lay-bah broke its election promise", "Bla bla bla Albo goes back on his word", "Bla bla bla Lay-bah scared to face the people", etc ::). As for crying about the referendum cost after 9 years of the LNP rorting and peeing billions up the wall leaving nothing to show for it ... oh please! :nopity
What gave me the s***s was some of us here give up our time to work for the AEC/VEC at election time. Organising and delivering elections doesn't just happen you know. Forget about me, but it's an insult to others I know from various backgrounds who take leave from their real jobs and life so that democracy, that was hard fought and won in war and peacetime, can be delivered. Some of these people are pulling up to 15 hour shifts on election day so that everyone gets their vote and say. Think of them at least. Better yet register your name and see for yourself how it all works. It certainly gives everyone who does it a greater appreciation of the electoral process and how rigorous and fair our elections are no matter what the result.
As for your side note - classic NewsCorp speak which ignores Australian history. Directly following WW1, the Spanish Flu caused 40% of the then 5m population to get sick and which killed an estimated 12-15,000 Aussies despite a swift quarantine response. The returning diggers didn't complain about the quarantine requirements. Sadly over 1200 diggers died from it. Imagine surviving the hell-holes of Gallipoli, Flanders and/or the Middle East, only to die from influenza :(.
One particular respiratory infection that probably presented the most serious threat to the Australian forces came very late in the war in the shape of the Spanish flu pandemic. Among the AIF in France there were nearly 22,000 cases from the middle of 1918, and ultimately 1,238 died.
https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/article2
That overall Oz deathrate by the way would be equivalent to between 62,400 to 78,000 dying these days from our current 26m population. While the lockdowns sucked and there were govt stuff ups, the Covid response saved tens of thousands of people's lives. Pretty safe to say the diggers wouldn't be rolling in their graves because we saved lives :facepalm.
(https://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0007/545533/MA23195807-Quarantine-camp-1200w.jpg)
https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/influenza-pandemic#:~:text=Despite%20a%20swift%20quarantine%20response,the%20virus%20spread%20through%20Australia.
The first vaccine mandate was in Victoria on Nov 20, 1854, in response to a Smallpox outbreak in Ballarat. If you recognise the location and date, it was just two weeks before the Eureka Stockade. Funnily enough the miners revolted against the mining licences and NOT the vaccine mandate. I'd guess in an era where people often died from what are nowdays controlled diseases via vaccines, vaccine mandates were a godsend. Anti-vaxxers (not you) these days who grow up in a vaccinated society take it all for granted.
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/provenance-journal/provenance-2018/smallpox-ballarat
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/VicCompulsoryVax1854.png)
https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/hist_act/aatmctpov456.pdf
:lol :lol :lol
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My favourite was the $17 cost of a pizza, ffs some people can’t even afford the $5 Domino special
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Reminds me of Airbus not knowing how much bread costs
Just totally out of touch Albo and his staunch supporters
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One thing I know is that today is the first time I’ve felt insulted in this thread.
Sure , my intelligence has been insulted many times, but I am really annoyed by one part of what’s been said today.
MT, don’t tell me I’m ungrateful of the efforts of the ANZACS because I think the voice referendum was a waste of money. Linking “Lest We Forget” and “the ultimate sacrifice” to your argument is pathetic. Frankly, I think you are being disrespectful doing so.
Really stuffing peeed off. Considering I have been to 13 of the last 14 dawn services (including hosting one overseas), I don’t need someone telling me what I do and don’t respect with regards to our service men and woman, because I fall on a side of an argument you disagree with.
stuff Albo and stuff the voice referendum.
And to our fallen soldiers , “we will remember them” and I for one am thankful for the sacrifices you have made.
Side note, wonder what the diggers would have thought of how Dan Andrews locked us up for month upon month upon month. Democratic rights my arse. The nanny state Australia and specifically Victoria has become would make every single one of them roll over in their graves.
Sorry, you do get the democratic right to say whatever you hate about Albo (as long as it's not legally defamatory) and you can say and argue the Voice idea was stupid or whatever and vote against it. But you don't get the right to tell the rest of us that we shouldn't have been allowed to vote on whether to alter our Constitution or not simply because you opposed the proposal and you hate Albo/Labor. FFS, by law a referendum must be held for such alterations. By the way, I most likely would have agreed with you if it had been just a plebiscite with no legal bearing or the polls had always showed public opposition to the Voice, but for 5 years the polls had shown a majority supporting it until the last few months leading up to the referendum date. It had been an unresolved issue for six years, plus the referendum was an election promise. I can just imagine what the LNP/Murdoch crowd would've screamed if Albo pulled the referendum at the last minute: "Bla bla bla Lay-bah broke its election promise", "Bla bla bla Albo goes back on his word", "Bla bla bla Lay-bah scared to face the people", etc ::). As for crying about the referendum cost after 9 years of the LNP rorting and peeing billions up the wall leaving nothing to show for it ... oh please! :nopity
What gave me the s***s was some of us here give up our time to work for the AEC/VEC at election time. Organising and delivering elections doesn't just happen you know. Forget about me, but it's an insult to others I know from various backgrounds who take leave from their real jobs and life so that democracy, that was hard fought and won in war and peacetime, can be delivered. Some of these people are pulling up to 15 hour shifts on election day so that everyone gets their vote and say. Think of them at least. Better yet register your name and see for yourself how it all works. It certainly gives everyone who does it a greater appreciation of the electoral process and how rigorous and fair our elections are no matter what the result.
As for your side note - classic NewsCorp speak which ignores Australian history. Directly following WW1, the Spanish Flu caused 40% of the then 5m population to get sick and which killed an estimated 12-15,000 Aussies despite a swift quarantine response. The returning diggers didn't complain about the quarantine requirements. Sadly over 1200 diggers died from it. Imagine surviving the hell-holes of Gallipoli, Flanders and/or the Middle East, only to die from influenza :(.
One particular respiratory infection that probably presented the most serious threat to the Australian forces came very late in the war in the shape of the Spanish flu pandemic. Among the AIF in France there were nearly 22,000 cases from the middle of 1918, and ultimately 1,238 died.
https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/article2
That overall Oz deathrate by the way would be equivalent to between 62,400 to 78,000 dying these days from our current 26m population. While the lockdowns sucked and there were govt stuff ups, the Covid response saved tens of thousands of people's lives. Pretty safe to say the diggers wouldn't be rolling in their graves because we saved lives :facepalm.
(https://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0007/545533/MA23195807-Quarantine-camp-1200w.jpg)
https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/influenza-pandemic#:~:text=Despite%20a%20swift%20quarantine%20response,the%20virus%20spread%20through%20Australia.
The first vaccine mandate was in Victoria on Nov 20, 1854, in response to a Smallpox outbreak in Ballarat. If you recognise the location and date, it was just two weeks before the Eureka Stockade. Funnily enough the miners revolted against the mining licences and NOT the vaccine mandate. I'd guess in an era where people often died from what are nowdays controlled diseases via vaccines, vaccine mandates were a godsend. Anti-vaxxers (not you) these days who grow up in a vaccinated society take it all for granted.
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/provenance-journal/provenance-2018/smallpox-ballarat
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/VicCompulsoryVax1854.png)
https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/hist_act/aatmctpov456.pdf
:lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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My favourite was the $17 cost of a pizza, ffs some people can’t even afford the $5 Domino special
LOL @ Domino's. You get your coffee from Starbucks too? :snidegrin
I'd guess Dutton and co. go to Subway, spend $3.4b+, and still walk out empty handed with no subs :shh :lol.
At my local family pizza joint, I can get a large capriciosa, garlic bread and a drink for $19. Cheaper than bloody Domino's. But as I said, it's around the same cost as a vote :thumbsup.
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Reminds me of Airbus not knowing how much bread costs
Just totally out of touch Albo and his staunch supporters
I cook at home far more than I eat out. A big pot of pasta that's a homemade family concoction and last's a whole week costs about $3 per meal. Actually, might start a food thread about it.
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Councils not holding citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day is a disgrace
Labor should grow some balls and stop this nonsense
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Councils not holding citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day is a disgrace
Labor should grow some balls and stop this nonsense
More nanny state nonsense
Australia is fried
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Ah, the annual treacherous Murdoch media sook about their fake history day :rollin.
Too bad Australia as a nation was founded on Jan 1, 1901. Tomorrow is Australia's 123rd birthday :birthday. Our real national day :thumbsup.
Btw the Fed govt. doesn't control local councils. Plus, local councils hold citizenship ceremonies throughout the year and were already changing dates when the Coalition were last in government. Nothing new here but the usual political reactionary anti-independent Australia cultural war BS from the LNP/Murdoch media.
It's hilarious that these hypocrites with their foreign allegiances who cry "small government" want the government to force us Aussies to accept fake history and do as they demand :wallywink.
Of course, this faux outrage about a fake holiday made up only in 1994 (so much for tradition! ::) ) comes from those that gave us this idiocy:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCmZzw9bAAA_Tn6?format=jpg&name=large)
Next minute:
(https://imgeng.jagran.com/images/2023/dec/cummins-20231703959104303.jpg)
:stupid :wallywink :rollin
#ProudIndependentAustralian :thumbsup
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Ah, the annual treacherous Murdoch media sook about their fake history day :rollin.
Too bad Australia as a nation was founded on Jan 1, 1901. Tomorrow is Australia's 123rd birthday :birthday. Our real national day :thumbsup.
Btw the Fed govt. doesn't control local councils. Plus, local councils hold citizenship ceremonies throughout the year and were already changing dates when the Coalition were last in government. Nothing new here but the usual political reactionary anti-independent Australia cultural war BS from the LNP/Murdoch media.
It's hilarious that these hypocrites with their foreign allegiances who cry "small government" want the government to force us Aussies to accept fake history and do as they demand :wallywink.
Of course, this faux outrage about a fake holiday made up only in 1994 (so much for tradition! ::) ) comes from those that gave us this idiocy:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCmZzw9bAAA_Tn6?format=jpg&name=large)
Next minute:
(https://imgeng.jagran.com/images/2023/dec/cummins-20231703959104303.jpg)
:stupid :wallywink :rollin
#ProudIndependentAustralian :thumbsup
I reckon 62% of Australians would call bs on your post and can see these virtual signalling councils actions for what they really are
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I reckon 62% of Australians would call bs on your post and can see these virtual signalling councils actions for what they really are
AKA the sane , non-leftarded, non- Murdoch Derangement Syndrome suffering silent majority of Australia. #leftismisamentaldisorder :shh
Local councils need to STFU and concentrate on the three R's - roads, rates & rubbish (actual rubbish not left wing political rubbish -redundant as it to affix "rubbish" to left wing) :shh :shh
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Being caught in the politics of left and right is what holds back communities, countries and the world from real progress
Again my favourite saying… left wing , right wing , it’s still the same bird.
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Ah, the annual treacherous Murdoch media sook about their fake history day :rollin.
Too bad Australia as a nation was founded on Jan 1, 1901. Tomorrow is Australia's 123rd birthday :birthday. Our real national day :thumbsup.
Btw the Fed govt. doesn't control local councils. Plus, local councils hold citizenship ceremonies throughout the year and were already changing dates when the Coalition were last in government. Nothing new here but the usual political reactionary anti-independent Australia cultural war BS from the LNP/Murdoch media.
It's hilarious that these hypocrites with their foreign allegiances who cry "small government" want the government to force us Aussies to accept fake history and do as they demand :wallywink.
Of course, this faux outrage about a fake holiday made up only in 1994 (so much for tradition! ::) ) comes from those that gave us this idiocy:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCmZzw9bAAA_Tn6?format=jpg&name=large)
Next minute:
(https://imgeng.jagran.com/images/2023/dec/cummins-20231703959104303.jpg)
:stupid :wallywink :rollin
#ProudIndependentAustralian :thumbsup
I reckon 62% of Australians would call bs on your post and can see these virtual signalling councils actions for what they really are
The irony of claiming changing a fake date as being "virtual" signalling :shh.
Anyway, my view isn't based on some popularity contest. I stick to actual Oz history. 1st Jan 1901 is the day our nation was founded. That's a historical fact. It's even stated on the Australian parliamentary website:
"Australia became a nation on 1 January 1901 when 6 British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the Commonwealth of Australia. This process is known as Federation."
https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/history-of-parliament/federation/the-federation-of-australia
Any other date chosen to be our national day is made up BS. And it's an indictment on our pollies (all sides), the moronic media, as well as the pathetic lack of teaching of Oz history that not every single Aussie knows it and celebrates Jan 1 after 123 years.
As for the LNP and its various previous incarnations, they've been wrong so many times before on this stuff that they've had to be dragged kicking and screaming to reality. When you go back in time their anti-independent Australian chicken little hysterics are as hilarious as they are cringeworthy and embarrassing :lol.
Them and their Murdoch cheerleaders now sooking about changing a date that has only been a holiday since 1994 is just their latest overblown sook. I'm pretty sure most Aussies will survive and just get on with their lives when the date is eventually changed. The date has been changed before and when I was a kid in the 70s/80s barely anyone gave a stuff about Jan 26 as it was a Sydney thing. FFS, Moomba was more the traditional celebration in Melbourne. The only thing we cared about in late Jan was watching the Adelaide test match on TV.
LNP opposition to us having our own national anthem
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/Anthem1974p1.png)
Opposition to us having our own Aussie-born GG
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/GG1930.png)
:chickenlittle :scared :doh :rollin
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If January 26 is a made up holiday, why is it so offensive to a loud minority?
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If January 26 is a made up holiday, why is it so offensive to a loud minority?
Because it belongs to different and earlier part of history that for Aboriginal Australia began the false claim of "terra nullius" as well as leading to introduced diseases and many massacres. Jan 26 is hardly a day of celebration for them. Even as late as 1938, Aboriginal people in rural NSW were forcibly rounded up and made to reenact Phillip's arrival for the 150th anniversary in Sydney. Why stick with a fake date from only 1994 that deliberately divides us when most of us wouldn't give a flying firetruck about that date if it was changed to another?
ps. We should be celebrating our many own Aussie achievements anyway if we are proud Aussies.
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Albo tried to divide Australia with his cost of a pizza referendum
Thankfully only 38% of Australians are stuffwits
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Because it belongs to different and earlier part of history that for Aboriginal Australia began the false claim of "terra nullius" as well as leading to introduced diseases and many massacres. Jan 26 is hardly a day of celebration for them. Even as late as 1938, Aboriginal people in rural NSW were forcibly rounded up and made to reenact Phillip's arrival for the 150th anniversary in Sydney. Why stick with a fake date from only 1994 that deliberately divides us when most of us wouldn't give a flying firetruck about that date if it was changed to another?
Sorry you've confused me MT. What do you mean by "why stick with a fake date from only 1994"?
My entire life and I'm old ;D Australia Day has always been 26th January. Granted it is only in the last 30 years that the public holiday has been on the actual date. Prior to that for reasons I will confess I never understood the public holiday was always on the Monday closest to the 26th.
Thankfully only 38% of Australians are stuffwits
Disappointed Chuck, I don't appreciate being called a stuffwit. >:(
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MT
Do you have a link for those recent articles ?
Side note
Chuck’s “cost of pizza referendum” had an entire bar in the Philippines laughing
Got to admit, was expecting something like that from Dio, but being a different source added an extra punch of humour
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Because it belongs to different and earlier part of history that for Aboriginal Australia began the false claim of "terra nullius" as well as leading to introduced diseases and many massacres. Jan 26 is hardly a day of celebration for them. Even as late as 1938, Aboriginal people in rural NSW were forcibly rounded up and made to reenact Phillip's arrival for the 150th anniversary in Sydney. Why stick with a fake date from only 1994 that deliberately divides us when most of us wouldn't give a flying firetruck about that date if it was changed to another?
Sorry you've confused me MT. What do you mean by "why stick with a fake date from only 1994"?
My entire life and I'm old ;D Australia Day has always been 26th January. Granted it is only in the last 30 years that the public holiday has been on the actual date. Prior to that for reasons I will confess I never understood the public holiday was always on the Monday closest to the 26th.
1935 actually according to google
Cue some muppet crapping on about 40 000 years or so
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1931 in Victoria
But hey , let’s roll with 1994
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Albo tried to divide Australia with his cost of a pizza referendum
Thankfully only 38% of Australians are stuffwits
All the stuffwits who still believe Bruce Pascoe is indigenous and Dark Emu is non-fiction.... :shh
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Because it belongs to different and earlier part of history that for Aboriginal Australia began the false claim of "terra nullius" as well as leading to introduced diseases and many massacres. Jan 26 is hardly a day of celebration for them. Even as late as 1938, Aboriginal people in rural NSW were forcibly rounded up and made to reenact Phillip's arrival for the 150th anniversary in Sydney. Why stick with a fake date from only 1994 that deliberately divides us when most of us wouldn't give a flying firetruck about that date if it was changed to another?
Sorry you've confused me MT. What do you mean by "why stick with a fake date from only 1994"?
My entire life and I'm old ;D Australia Day has always been 26th January. Granted it is only in the last 30 years that the public holiday has been on the actual date. Prior to that for reasons I will confess I never understood the public holiday was always on the Monday closest to the 26th.
As you say WP it was not a national public holiday until 1994.
And despite both of us being old ;D, it hasn't always been on Jan 26 either:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCo9-XBaUAAfg3I?format=jpg&name=medium)
The last question of yours is easy to answer: a freebie long weekend in summer. Though few cared about the reason for it nor organised public events. The only thing I remember about that long weekend was the Adelaide test match but that was dumped long ago. So much for "tradition"!
And it's a fake day as Australia's real national birthday is 1st Jan 1901. Lying to ourselves and ignoring our own history and identity and not celebrating our own more significant achievements which are many is not displaying being proud independent Aussies.
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MT
Do you have a link for those recent articles ?
Opposition against an Australian being Governor-General.
The Argus, 5th December 1930.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4232022?searchTerm=governor-general
Liberal Party to oppose new anthem.
Canberra Times, 7th March 1974.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110764843?browse=ndp%3Abrowse%2Ftitle%2FC%2Ftitle%2F11%2F1974%2F03%2F07%2Fpage%2F12215898%2Farticle%2F110764843
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MT
Do you have a link for those recent articles ?
Opposition against an Australian being Governor-General.
The Argus, 5th December 1930.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4232022?searchTerm=governor-general
Liberal Party to oppose new anthem.
Canberra Times, 7th March 1974.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110764843?browse=ndp%3Abrowse%2Ftitle%2FC%2Ftitle%2F11%2F1974%2F03%2F07%2Fpage%2F12215898%2Farticle%2F110764843
Lmao :shh
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I’ve always enjoyed The Argus for a bit of light reading in the morning
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Bump. Yes, it must be embarrassing to support a side that for at least a century has been anti-Australian independence :shh.
As for the LNP and its various previous incarnations, they've been wrong so many times before on this stuff that they've had to be dragged kicking and screaming to reality. When you go back in time their anti-independent Australian chicken little hysterics are as hilarious as they are cringeworthy and embarrassing :lol.
LNP opposition to us having our own national anthem
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/Anthem1974p1.png)
Opposition to us having our own Aussie-born GG
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/GG1930.png)
Add opposing Australia having its own separate independent parliament even when the Poms promoted it.
Britain said yes in 1931 (Statute of Westminster), yet the UAP (forerunner to the LNP) refused to ratify it across 10 years in government and then continued to oppose it in opposition.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/OppositionToStatuteOfWestminster.png)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/271898681?searchTerm=UAP%20statute%20Westminster
:chickenlittle :scared :doh :rollin
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HOMG
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At what point will something relevant to the normal Australian be discussed in here?
Non-stop wankathon over irrelevant rubbish this board. Same as Airbus and his policies
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At what point will something relevant to the normal Australian be discussed in here?
Non-stop wankathon over irrelevant rubbish this board. Same as Airbus and his policies
The natives are getting restless
You know they are clutching at straws when posting articles that are nearly 100yo
Very very nervous obviously
It’s panic from a group that is seeing incompetence from Airbus close the gap significantly towards the next election
Good work Albo , keep it up
As for me being embarrassed for “supporting a side” .. I’ll get over it 😂
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LNP logic #694931.
One minute:
'We're outraged these councils won't celebrate what happened 236 years ago'.
Next minute:
'Who cares what happened in the past 50-96 years ago, it's now irrelevant'.
:shh :lol
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Oh bless your little heart.... :propeller :joker :shh
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MT is more than entitled to his opinion as we all are. It's just unfortunate he's always wrong
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MT is more than entitled to his opinion as we all are. It's just unfortunate he's always wrong
Hence why they're called "the left" - because they've never been right.... :shh
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:lol :lol :lol
wrong, out of touch, all of the above. Pizza is semi affordable so that means there is no cost of living pressures. :shh
was the work done at voting day voluntarily or was it paid. The very few people i know that do this all carry the same delusional thoughts on life and are seldom right.
Must be a real joy working on this day with some of these clows.
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Philosophically, what is the difference between religion and politics?
Should we dispense with voting?
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A - Nothing they both boil down to the same thing - affording men the divine right to be violent stuffwits. :shh
B - Yes. :shh
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDjl5I0bAAAfsPy?format=jpg&name=medium)
So much for the party that use to claim it was pro-free market enterprise. Totally reactionary nowdays they are tying themselves into knots contradicting themselves :lol. No one knows anymore what they stand for as they are always against :chickenlittle :scared :shh.
ps. As for the political lightweight keyboard warrior slagging off ordinary private Aussies who take time out of their lives so that we can have and run fair elections --- pathetic! ::) Might add that they come from across the political spectrum. So, he's also slagging off those from his own 'side' of politics.
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Who is the political lightweight keyboard warrior? What does that even mean
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Who is the political lightweight keyboard warrior? What does that even mean
Good question
But I believe the correct term is a PLKW
When used in the full term, it really is quite a scary title .. I for one am about to assume the foetal position and cry myself to sleep while waiting for the PLKW to strike again
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All I want to know is how long do white Australians have to feel ashamed of their country for?
Is there a time limit we can get past or do we just have to decolonise Australia including removing ourselves from its shores?
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The only fair solution is that all lands must only be populated by people indigenous to them and all non-indigenous people should leave said lands immediately.....I for one look forward to kicking a Pakistani family out of my new council flat in the UK... :shh
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:lol
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The only fair solution is that all lands must only be populated by people indigenous to them and all non-indigenous people should leave said lands immediately.....
I reckon the ones that voted yes in the referendum and are happy with Australia shaming should lead the way and go first
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Who is the political lightweight keyboard warrior? What does that even mean
Good question
But I believe the correct term is a PLKW
When used in the full term, it really is quite a scary title .. I for one am about to assume the foetal position and cry myself to sleep while waiting for the PLKW to strike again
:lol
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The only fair solution is that all lands must only be populated by people indigenous to them and all non-indigenous people should leave said lands immediately.....I for one look forward to kicking a Pakistani family out of my new council flat in the UK... :shh
:lol :lol
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With the anti-west movement gaining momentum I think it is up to the Alabanese government to step up to the plate
Does anyone believe they can even fire a shot?
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With the anti-west movement gaining momentum I think it is up to the Alabanese government to step up to the plate
Does anyone believe they can even fire a shot?
They're part of the anti-west movement Chucky.....that's what the left is.....:shh
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Hello LNP/Murdoch "cultural war" crap! :sleep
Sorry to break this to you but these days most of us "White Australians" are NOT Anglo :shh. We're a mix. We don't need nor care about a foreign monarchy, a foreign country's flag, nor some fake day selling cheap foreign made plastic crap which no one buys, to feel and be proud Aussies. Hello virtual signalling!
The only ones ashamed of our nation are anti-independent Australia faux outraged cultural cringers who are still trying to shove their now irrelevant foreign allegiances down the rest of our throats. Sure, they could go and try to live in the UK like Pauline unsuccessfully tried to do :wallywink, but real Brits don't want fake wannabees and tryhards living there either. It's not the rest of us Aussies' fault that these crybaby cultural cringers feel caught between two worlds and now don't belong to either via their own ignorance of actual Oz history as well as their own scared of change snowflakeness.
#ProudIndependentAussie #RealAustraliaDay1stJan1901
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With #AustraliaDay merch dominating the news, I decided to head down to Coles to see what all the fuss was about. It turns out the Aussie stuff isn’t as fair dinkum and true blue as first thought. #aussie #fairdinkum #changethedate #trueblue #dinkidi #Auspol #coles #woolies
https://twitter.com/leachitup/status/1746363961052950625
:lol :clapping
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2024 poll
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nsw/australia-day-poll-results-show-majortity-of-people-want-to-celebrate-on-january-26/news-story/7c42acb68ea5d5d040c0cb771d18d9f3
2023 poll
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9162-roy-morgan-survey-australia-day-january-24-2023
The airhead should call a referendum on this. :lol
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Yep let’s do another pizza referendum
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2024 poll
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nsw/australia-day-poll-results-show-majortity-of-people-want-to-celebrate-on-january-26/news-story/7c42acb68ea5d5d040c0cb771d18d9f3
2023 poll
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9162-roy-morgan-survey-australia-day-january-24-2023
The airhead should call a referendum on this. :lol
Seriously though every Australia Day the family has gotten together for a BBQ and I can’t understand why lefty stuffwits should stop that
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LMAO at mouthbreathing leftwits always crying about the right (IE the sane) fighting the "culture wars" that they started and is their entire raison d'etre....(what did Goebbels say - "always accuse your enemies of what you're doing yourself" :shh) also love it when they just assume everyone thinks like they all do in their pathetic little pseudo-intellectual inner city circle jerks that they never venture out of and various twitter/X accounts they follow with pro-nouns &
Ukraine Palestinian flags in their bios...... :shh
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With the anti-west movement gaining momentum I think it is up to the Alabanese government to step up to the plate
Does anyone believe they can even fire a shot?
They're part of the anti-west movement Chucky.....that's what the left is.....:shh
Even for you that is an outrageous statement.
If I was in a better headspace right now I'd reply in greater detail and wait for the snide comments, barbs, baiting and insults without any real discussion
But that will have to wait for now
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With the anti-west movement gaining momentum I think it is up to the Alabanese government to step up to the plate
Does anyone believe they can even fire a shot?
They're part of the anti-west movement Chucky.....that's what the left is.....:shh
Even for you that is an outrageous statement.
If I was in a better headspace right now I'd reply in greater detail and wait for the snide comments, barbs, baiting and insults without any real discussion
But that will have to wait for now
I'm confused by the entire thread and what I want
It's clear that Airbus must go , but at the same time, I now want him to stay
Another year of that fool and we should get some form of closure come election time .. #moleplanted #thanksalbo #keepupthegoodwork #bookanotherflight #losetheunloseable
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Hard truth triggers leftist - shocked to be sitting here.... :shh
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correct. ⬆️
on a brighter note, i for one am very glad someone listened to the airheads of a pm's concerns about david warners missing baggy green.
such a relief someone handed it in. :shh
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What are peoples guesses at the chances of the bracket creep tax changes going through?
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All I know is that Albo's running a racket and is a creep.....#mustgo :shh
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What are peoples guesses at the chances of the bracket creep tax changes going through?
IMHO they will go through Chuck.
They shouldn't but will
Why? Because they are most beneficial to pollies
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What are peoples guesses at the chances of the bracket creep tax changes going through?
IMHO they will go through Chuck.
They shouldn't but will
Why? Because they are most beneficial to pollies
Yes they will benefit them.
However our individual tax system combined with our individual support systems (unemployment benefits, medicare etc) are entirely stuffed up when trying to attract overseas talent, in combination it more encourages immigration of uber drivers and trolley collectors and is creating a caste society in Australia.
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#taxationistheft :shh
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A week to go to Australia Day you stuffers
Buy your thongs and get your Australia Day on
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A week to go to Australia Day you stuffers
Buy your thongs and get your Australia Day on
Plenty of Aussie owned bars over here in the Philippines are ready to party hard
Meat pies, lamb and two-up
Funny what happens when the rules are lessened
People can just enjoy themselves without the rubbish
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A week to go to Australia Day you stuffers
Buy your thongs and get your Australia Day on
Plenty of Aussie owned bars over here in the Philippines are ready to party hard
Meat pies, lamb and two-up
Funny what happens when the rules are lessened
People can just enjoy themselves without the rubbish
:thumbsup
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Looks like another broken promise is looming from the alp., from multiple media so not official.
Predicted this would happen as soon as the airhead was voted in so let's see if he keeps his word.
Not surprised at all if he changes his position.
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Looks like another broken promise is looming from the alp., from multiple media so not official.
Predicted this would happen as soon as the airhead was voted in so let's see if he keeps his word.
Not surprised at all if he changes his position.
So you think in the current economy the stage 3 tax cuts are a good idea?
Not asking your opinion on the PM or the govt asking your opinion in the actual tax cuts
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Looks like another broken promise is looming from the alp., from multiple media so not official.
Predicted this would happen as soon as the airhead was voted in so let's see if he keeps his word.
Not surprised at all if he changes his position.
So you think in the current economy the stage 3 tax cuts are a good idea?
Not asking your opinion on the PM or the govt asking your opinion in the actual tax cuts
It would never be a good time from those lefty idiots in the media screaming about favours to the rich.
They will never see the bigger picture of what our tax system is actually doing.
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Looks like another broken promise is looming from the alp., from multiple media so not official.
Predicted this would happen as soon as the airhead was voted in so let's see if he keeps his word.
Not surprised at all if he changes his position.
So you think in the current economy the stage 3 tax cuts are a good idea?
Not asking your opinion on the PM or the govt asking your opinion in the actual tax cuts
Well here you go, Airbus Alby thinks its such a good idea he is going to give everyone one
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/pm-hints-at-stage-three-expansion/103377882
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has given the strongest indication yet that the stage 3 tax cuts will be expanded to benefit lower-income earners.
The prime minister told KIIS FM on Tuesday morning that "everyone" would get a tax cut. The stage 3 tax cuts as legislated give no tax cut to those who earn less than $45,000.
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Looks like another broken promise is looming from the alp., from multiple media so not official.
Predicted this would happen as soon as the airhead was voted in so let's see if he keeps his word.
Not surprised at all if he changes his position.
So you think in the current economy the stage 3 tax cuts are a good idea?
Not asking your opinion on the PM or the govt asking your opinion in the actual tax cuts
I have no problem at all with the cuts none at all because it's been legislated, agreed upon and us folks voted on it.
Let's not forget the idiots commentary over the last 2 years about this very thing. Telling us time and time again there won't be any change or roll backs.
I wouldn't expect any lefty's to have the mental capacity to understand.
Chucky that is very funny. A $247 tax cut to lower incomes. It's the same money spread across the board, and WP asked me if it's a right time for tax cuts? Well is it WP? I throw that question back to you or would you prefer another broken promise from your buddies.
Was it a right time for these clowns at the alp to rip up contracts, waste billions on garbage including this referendum, and now get those guys who prop up the economy to have to pay for it? :shh
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Looks like another broken promise is looming from the alp., from multiple media so not official.
Predicted this would happen as soon as the airhead was voted in so let's see if he keeps his word.
Not surprised at all if he changes his position.
So you think in the current economy the stage 3 tax cuts are a good idea?
Not asking your opinion on the PM or the govt asking your opinion in the actual tax cuts
It's exactly the right time for them.... :shh
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I have no problem at all with the cuts none at all because it's been legislated, agreed upon and us folks voted on it.
Let's not forget the idiots commentary over the last 2 years about this very thing. Telling us time and time again there won't be any change or roll backs.
I wouldn't expect any lefty's to have the mental capacity to understand.
Chucky that is very funny. A $247 tax cut to lower incomes. It's the same money spread across the board, and WP asked me if it's a right time for tax cuts? Well is it WP? I throw that question back to you or would you prefer another broken promise from your buddies.
Was it a right time for these clowns at the alp to rip up contracts, waste billions on garbage including this referendum, andwho prop up the economy to have to pay for it? :shh
ho prop up the economy to have to pay for it? :shh
Well guess what Frankie, I'm not going to bother answering you
Why? Because I am sick to death of cheap insults directed at anyone who doesn't agree with you.
"I wouldn't expect any lefty's to have the mental capacity to understand." A pathetic cheap shot, was it necessary? Nope but you can't help yourself, you have to throw in an insult like it is some sort of badge of honour.
So no I'm won't answering your throw back because quite frankly you don't deserve an answer.
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LOL at those who still believe in the fairytale nonsense of "trickle-down economics" because a media organisation which pays no tax owned by a multi-billionaire tells them so :lol.
LMAO at opposing an idea that potentially makes 85% of taxpayers better off than the original Stage 3 tax cuts and then laughably accusing others of not having the mental capacity to understand :rollin.
The LNP tantrums are getting funnier and more desperate by the day :chickenlittle :scared. No wonder they resort to insults as the LNP have no policies other than to boringly parrot "no" to everything :sleep :shh.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEbI7gJb0AIjnLp?format=png&name=large)
https://twitter.com/GrogsGamut/status/1749306584638042216
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEhWWIabEAEdsLR?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/KosSamaras/status/1749743398981173727
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:lol
The leftwits are imploding.
:cheers
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Albo had very little trust anyway but after this backflip/broken promise his credibility goes to absolutely nothing
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:lol
The leftwits are imploding.
:cheers
:yep
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:lol
The leftwits are imploding.
:cheers
Exhibit B >:(
Another dig at me??
:lol
The leftwits are imploding.
:cheers
:yep
Exhibit C >:(
Enjoy bullying and baiting people do you lads?
because that's what you are doing! But you kwow what? last time i checked it was against site rules. But don't worry I wont be taking any action because as a Mod it seems to go with the territory
glad you think that it's funny and necessary
I tried to have a constructive discussion and Frankie couldn't answer without a cheap and nasty comment. Then Dio chimes in with another insult with one these :cheers thrown in
I said the other week that I wasn't in a good place to deal with and reply to this sort of posting. Stupid me thought we'd be able to have a decent discussion about the tax cuts
Then when I say I won't reply after being insulted yet again you 2 have to either take another swipe and/or laugh admiring your work
Good for you
And thanks for making a crap day even worse, top job :clapping
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Take some time off, WP. Be with the family and enjoy some time away from this
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Oh well, looks like our Uber drivers and shopping trolley collectors are going to get something from #brokenpromisesairbusAlbo
Our tax system is more and more resembling a social welfare scheme
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This is behind a firewall
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/anthony-albanese-selective-on-keeping-promises/news-story/cd632230f4141cfd0bc003f6238a923a?amp
Can someone give me the rough idea of what it’s about?
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Lied his way into power, now lying his way out...#arsewipealbosliebor #socialistscum #onetermwonder :shh
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Who expected anything else from him? 18 months of lies only to end up with his biggest one yet.
Was funny when scomo used to lie and how that used to be an issue but now the Indian trolley workers are getting a whopping $800 and even those on 20k less than $50 all is forgiven.
Damo it's basically saying he is a fraud and must go. I won't expect much backlash from Victorians as they love a good handout being the leftwits that many are, but other states like Wa and qld we will see.
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What a little lying turd he is, I thought Shorten was bad, but #Albotheliar is worse
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Well here we go, a social welfare measure without meeting any goals of simplifying our tax system
Well managed labor party and LiarAlbo
https://www.9news.com.au/finance/stage-3-tax-cuts-anthony-albanese/1152947b-f551-4148-965c-c52009018554
'A tax cut for every Australian taxpayer': Anthony Albanese unveils stage 3 tax cut changes
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Labor really do hate the idea of growing the economy
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Labor really do hate the idea of growing the economy
Easy up our Uber driver economy is cheering, theyre getting their relos on the next load of boats and can't believe a developed nation is so generous with social welfare
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Apparently it is OK to lie now if you believe it is for a good reason
Logic 101 straight from the Hitler playbook
#Albotheliar
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This Woolworths CEO is a stuffing stuffwit
Happy to celebrate Chinas national days but not Australia because apparently Australia Day isn’t about food.
Obviously the hoyty toyty has never done a BBQ for the family
What an absolute flog and wanker
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Happy Australia Day.
My mum and in-laws arrived on this day and to them it means a lot. To those that it doesn't go and work then.
Enjoy the day.
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Happy Australia Day.
My mum and in-laws arrived on this day and to them it means a lot. To those that it doesn't go and work then.
Enjoy the day.
Well said
Proud day for Aussies over here
Funny how it works when people eliminate the need for rubbish
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It is all becoming clear why Albo lied about the tax cuts.
It was all to stop his slide in the polls in Dunkley.
Nothing to do with a sense of fairness but rather self interest put before that of tax reform.
#ItsallaboutmeAlbo
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It is all becoming clear why Albo lied about the tax cuts.
It was all to stop his slide in the polls in Dunkley.
Nothing to do with a sense of fairness but rather self interest put before that of tax reform.
#ItsallaboutmeAlbo
:shh :shh
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LOL at parroting Phil Coorey from of course the Murdoch media claiming some LNP poll said so and so it must be true. Talk about clutching at straws :lol.
The LNP have been snookered by this. They don't know what to do when they can't just say 'no' :wallywink :shh.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEqUQOwaUAAzEe_?format=jpg&name=large)
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Phil Coorey?
currently works for the AFR that is owned by Nine. :rollin :rollin
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Phil Coorey?
currently works for the AFR that is owned by Nine. :rollin :rollin
Only been at the AFR since 2012 Frankie
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:lol :lol :lol
Big Bad Rupert still living rent free in the MT's head..... #MDS :shh
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The funniest part is they still troll old mate Rupert, likely happy to watch foxtel as it "suits" or even read news.com.au which in turn gives him more money to send them even more crazy than they are.
Phil Coorey?
currently works for the AFR that is owned by Nine. :rollin :rollin
Only been at the AFR since 2012 Frankie
no biggy. what is 12 years between friends.
his previous occupation was the sydney morning herald since 2006. Its not big bad rupert again is it? :shh :lol :lol
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The funniest part is they still troll old mate Rupert, likely happy to watch foxtel as it "suits" or even read news.com.au which in turn gives him more money to send them even more crazy than they are.
Phil Coorey?
currently works for the AFR that is owned by Nine. :rollin :rollin
Only been at the AFR since 2012 Frankie
no biggy. what is 12 years between friends.
his previous occupation was the sydney morning herald since 2006. Its not big bad rupert again is it? :shh :lol :lol
Rupe or “roup” amongst us groupies
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We're known as The Roupies. Very prestigious club. Like being a coterie member at Richmond in the late 90s and early 2000s... :shh
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Ok my bad about the AFR. Teach me to post this time at night :boredom. But the main point stands. It's just more parroting instead of an original opinion :sleep. This time borrowed from a pro-LNP media commentator who surprise surprise used a LNP "poll". Single seat polling even by legit pollsters is unreliable unless it's a very safe seat which Dunkley isn't. Dunkley has mostly been a marginal electorate.
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Ok my bad about the AFR. Teach me to post this time at night :boredom. But the main point stands. It's just more parroting instead of an original opinion :sleep. This time borrowed from a pro-LNP media commentator who surprise surprise used a LNP "poll". Single seat polling even by legit pollsters is unreliable unless it's a very safe seat which Dunkley isn't. Dunkley has mostly been a marginal electorate.
Well on the positive side you are bringing in your time errors from 88 odd years to 12 odd years
A couple more shots at it and you may get on the money
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:lol
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Ok my bad about the AFR. Teach me to post this time at night :boredom. But the main point stands. It's just more parroting instead of an original opinion :sleep. This time borrowed from a pro-LNP media commentator who surprise surprise used a LNP "poll". Single seat polling even by legit pollsters is unreliable unless it's a very safe seat which Dunkley isn't. Dunkley has mostly been a marginal electorate.
Well on the positive side you are bringing in your time errors from 88 odd years to 12 odd years
A couple more shots at it and you may get on the money
Don't have a hissy just because Coles couldn't even give away your foreign pommie coloured plastic crap that's made in China :shh.
The fake day summed up by "reduced to clear" labels and still no one wanting it :lol.
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lmao - '65 would be proud of that deflection.... :propeller :shh
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lmao - '65 would be proud of that deflection.... :propeller :shh
Your obsession with '65 who doesn't even post here anymore is a deflection in itself :shh.
Higher tax cuts for 85% of Aussies.
Falling inflation after inheriting rising out of control inflation from the LNP.
Talk now of a possible three interest rate cuts this year.
Voldemort's laughable cultural war crap boycott being a total flop.
No wonder the LNP fanbois are lashing out in desperation and clutching at straws. 2024 so far has been a shocker for the LNP :chickenlittle :scared :shh
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:biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
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Airbus must stay
Please let him stay
Till next election that is
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MT,
Putting aside your hatred for the LNP (who I'm not even a supporter of, just a slightly less evil imo)... can you say its been a good year for the ALP? Do you genuinely believe they're doing a decent job?
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Well someone is a bit sensitive lately
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MT,
Putting aside your hatred for the LNP (who I'm not even a supporter of, just a slightly less evil imo)... can you say its been a good year for the ALP? Do you genuinely believe they're doing a decent job?
something something parroting Murdoch lies something something Valdemort something something culture wars something something LNPfanbois something something fake australia day cheap chinese flags - insert link to far left websites and get up bot accounts on twitter :shh :chickenlittle :scared
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:lol
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Ok my bad about the AFR. Teach me to post this time at night :boredom. But the main point stands. It's just more parroting instead of an original opinion :sleep. This time borrowed from a pro-LNP media commentator who surprise surprise used a LNP "poll". Single seat polling even by legit pollsters is unreliable unless it's a very safe seat which Dunkley isn't. Dunkley has mostly been a marginal electorate.
Well on the positive side you are bringing in your time errors from 88 odd years to 12 odd years
A couple more shots at it and you may get on the money
Don't have a hissy just because Coles couldn't even give away your foreign pommie coloured plastic crap that's made in China :shh.
The fake day summed up by "reduced to clear" labels and still no one wanting it :lol.
no different to back to school items that go on sale very soon.
my word you have started the year poorly. Try posting during business hours. :shh
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MT,
Putting aside your hatred for the LNP (who I'm not even a supporter of, just a slightly less evil imo)... can you say its been a good year for the ALP? Do you genuinely believe they're doing a decent job?
something something parroting Murdoch lies something something Valdemort something something culture wars something something LNPfanbois something something fake australia day cheap chinese flags - insert link to far left websites and get up bot accounts on twitter :shh :chickenlittle :scared
More deflecting :shh.
(https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/d23f20bde4a076e3df87ed1d523892cb763050df8c901fc66fe291c3299e6cbd_1.webp)
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Ok my bad about the AFR. Teach me to post this time at night :boredom. But the main point stands. It's just more parroting instead of an original opinion :sleep. This time borrowed from a pro-LNP media commentator who surprise surprise used a LNP "poll". Single seat polling even by legit pollsters is unreliable unless it's a very safe seat which Dunkley isn't. Dunkley has mostly been a marginal electorate.
Well on the positive side you are bringing in your time errors from 88 odd years to 12 odd years
A couple more shots at it and you may get on the money
Don't have a hissy just because Coles couldn't even give away your foreign pommie coloured plastic crap that's made in China :shh.
The fake day summed up by "reduced to clear" labels and still no one wanting it :lol.
no different to back to school items that go on sale very soon.
my word you have started the year poorly. Try posting during business hours. :shh
No major supermarket has ever stopped selling all back-to-school items and nor has any dopey opposition leader said to boycott them over it. Try again!
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MT,
Putting aside your hatred for the LNP (who I'm not even a supporter of, just a slightly less evil imo)... can you say its been a good year for the ALP? Do you genuinely believe they're doing a decent job?
The ALP inherited a trainwreck of an economy. Rapidly rising inflation at 6% and growing, debt approaching $1T with nothing to show for it, stagnant wages over the previous decade, a 20% increase in power prices that was deliberately hidden until after the May 22 election, and interest rates only beginning to increase thanks to the RBA being too slow to react when they should've increased the rate multiple times prior to the 2022 election. Anybody with a basic understanding of economics knew things were going to continue to get worse during the first 18 months of Labor's first term before they got better. Curbing inflation takes time even following standard centrist if not neo-liberal economic policy. This plus the failure of the Voice referendum hurt Labor in the polls during 2023 but they have now stabilised (latest Newspoll has ALP 52 LNP 48 - same as last election - and 62% support the stage 3 tax changes). The economic task to fix the mess Labor inherited is not done yet but recent CPI figures (4.1% for the Dec 23 qtr) show the tide is turning for the better. If the March 24 qtr figure follows the downward trend, then inflation will be in the low-mid 3s and hence the talk of interest rate cuts by the middle of this year. It's why I stated 2024, not 2023.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/CPIhistory.png)
n.b. the red line is the May 22 election (June 22 qtr crosses over it).
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/price-indexes-and-inflation/consumer-price-index-australia/latest-release#data-downloads
Am I saying the govt doesn't need to do more, say in terms major reform? No. However, the useless MSM (almost all of them these days) wanting to turn every major issue into a clickbait pantomime with their pathetic simplistic yes/no gotcha questions stifles any serious grown up discussion. People forget Hawke & Keating's economic reforms in the 80s and Howard's GST (after saying "never ever" to a GST) were introduced once in government; while Hewson and Shorten both got burnt by being upfront from opposition. The media are as much to blame for the political gamemanship as the pollies are.
ps. Nice to get a sensible well-articulated question in this thread by the way. Credit to you, AT.
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Serious question
Anyone watching Nemesis on the ABC?
I knew Aussie politics was in the mire but OMG :gobdrop
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Serious question
Anyone watching Nemesis on the ABC?
I knew Aussie politics was in the mire but OMG :gobdrop
I didn’t know about Nemesis, being overseas etc
But will watch for sure.
ABC iview works for me over here with a VPN.
Unlike all the other Aussie channel apps
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Watch it Damo, it is is well worth a look
Doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you follow it is compelling viewing
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Lmao - don't bother Damo it's just a pathetic revisionist whingefest from the miserable ghost Turbullshyter and his bitter bunch of dripping wet LINO acolytes... typical ABCCP agitprop... ...:shh
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why would anyone watch anything with turnbull in it is a mystery itself for me.
Im sure those abc clowns did something similar on rudd etc not that we were sent links on this chat about it :shh
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why would anyone watch anything with turnbull in it is a mystery itself for me.
Im sure those abc clowns did something similar on rudd etc not that we were sent links on this chat about it :shh
I asked a question and as always you come back with a subtle dig but a dig none the less
As I said in my original post I know Aussie politics is in pathetic position on both sides but what Nemesis is showing us is that pollies today are not there to make a difference, they don't care about people they are there for their own self gain and agendas. Talk about out of control egos
It doesn't matter which side of politics you sit on it is pathetic. We deserve better
And yes there was something on Rudd and his and others knifing of Gillard.
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As I said in my original post I know Aussie politics is in pathetic position on both sides but what Nemesis is showing us is that pollies today are not there to make a difference, they don't care about people they are there for their own self gain and agendas. Talk about out of control egos
I couldn't agree more.
With the stage 3 tax cuts Albo had the opportunity to make some real reform to the tax system and get rid of a bracket but instead because of flagging polls and needing his own ego to be fed he turned the stage 3 tax cuts into a social welfare bonus designed to boost polls.
Absolutely pathetic and a flog of the highest order.
#Albotheflog
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LMAO - just when you thought it couldn't get anymore pathetic & cringeworthy than Biden's dog having it's own twitter account the leftist shills at Fauxfacts say "hold my beer":
https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/dogs-on-trains-i-ll-ask-albo-for-another-rufferendum-20240207-p5f34x.html
#clownworld :joker :facepalm
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Is this stuffwit for real
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/radio-interview-3aw-melbourne-1
PRIME MINISTER: It certainly is not. It is just a tragedy that at the moment, I spoke in Parliament yesterday about, I have not seen a rise in social disharmony like I've seen in recent times.
The stupid idiot is a specific cause of social disharmony with his personal agenda divide the country referendum
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https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103483960
Never to blame is Albo and his government
Fancy calling it “unfortunate”
But yeah Albo, it’s working perfectly
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how is the flogs antics going to concerts left right and centre while others cant even afford a ticket to the movies
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Antony Green has called Labor winning the Dunkley by-election.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/dunkley-by-election-2024
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-29778-210.htm
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lets hope the swing continues against this airbus fraud.
It does also show how stupid some people in the seat of dunkley are and how easily they can be bought with $1000, but asked to pay $10,000 on non-discretionary expenses.
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#boughtbyelection
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#boughtbyelection
Mr Butler defended the delay in announcing the increases until after the by-election
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/aussie-families-slugged-with-an-436-a-year/news-story/3c9a3f232e94a42d09b409e79b486654
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Elected on lies #costofliving #$275 #transparency #1termwonders #airbusmustgo :shh
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#boughtbyelection
Mr Butler defended the delay in announcing the increases until after the by-election
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/aussie-families-slugged-with-an-436-a-year/news-story/3c9a3f232e94a42d09b409e79b486654
I don't care when it was announced that he signed off on the increase is a disgrace
He can spin it anyway he likes e.g. they asked for 6%+ but their only getting approval for an average of 3% is crap
Our increase is 3.6% :banghead. Ironic in that we are currently getting quotes to change as I'm sick of being ripped off. All 4 insurers we are looking at will be increasing their premiums by more than the average
Just goes to prove in this space (private health insurance premium increases) both sides are exactly the same...gutless
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#boughtbyelection
Mr Butler defended the delay in announcing the increases until after the by-election
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/aussie-families-slugged-with-an-436-a-year/news-story/3c9a3f232e94a42d09b409e79b486654
What a turd
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Well stuff me Melbourne City Council have established a voice to council
Wankers of the highest order
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Does anyone support Dutton's Nuclear power ideas?
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Does anyone support Dutton's Nuclear power ideas?
i thought you left?
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Does anyone support Dutton's Nuclear power ideas?
i thought you left?
Nope.
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The liberals have found their next leader.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/24/tim-wilson-wins-liberals-preselection-in-goldstein-to-set-up-rematch-against-teal-zoe-daniel
The former MP Tim Wilson has won preselection to become the Liberal party candidate in his former seat of Goldstein, setting up a rematch with the “teal” independent Zoe Daniel.
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LMAO at Airbus Albo attending the woman’s anti violence rally and stuffing that up
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Albo has been making women for far too long
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#bullyboyalbomustgo....imagine if Abbot, Dutton or "ScOtTy FrOm MaRkEtInG" did that... :shh
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What happened? I don't watch the new etc
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What happened? I don't watch the new etc
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-full-out-lie-five-key-demands-at-centre-of-pm-rally-furore-20240429-p5fn8g.html
Blokes a flog. Thank goodness it was him at the helm. With a half decent leader we were looking at 2-3 terms of these fools.
If you didn’t know better, you would think he was a long term plan from the Libs, planted to destroy Labor from within.
#albowillgo #airbusdeparting
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I don't read into it much.
Looked to me like he wasn't planning to speak, for whatever reason, but was called out in the moment and made an example of.
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What happened? I don't watch the new etc
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-full-out-lie-five-key-demands-at-centre-of-pm-rally-furore-20240429-p5fn8g.html
Blokes a flog. Thank goodness it was him at the helm. With a half decent leader we were looking at 2-3 terms of these fools.
If you didn’t know better, you would think he was a long term plan from the Libs, planted to destroy Labor from within.
#albowillgo #airbusdeparting
:lol :lol
as Dio said imagine it was scomo. It wasnt so crickets ...
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Why are Labour spending money on ads for the tax cuts ?
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Why are Labour spending money on ads for the tax cuts ?
Things are getting desperate Chucky
They have gone from certainties to vulnerable
Will be fun watching Albo run from all the hard questions again
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It just poos me to no end Damo
First of all every single Australian has missed out on a deluxe pizza because of the stupid referendum and now they are spending more money on ads to float their own boats. I wonder what we have missed out on now because of the money spend on that ad?
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Why are Labour spending money on ads for the tax cuts ?
You're asking why Labor(sic) are spending money? It's just what they do..... :shh
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I am surprised people can make it out of bed and get on with life at the moment with the amount of crisis we have going on atm;
Cost of living crisis
DV crisis
Teacher crisis
Rental crisis
Housing ownership crisis
Nursing crisis
Climate crisis
Indigenous rights crisis
probably missed a few but I am so depressed I think i am going to go off somewhere and curl up in the foetal position
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I am surprised people can make it out of bed and get on with life at the moment with the amount of crisis we have going on atm;
Cost of living crisis
DV crisis
Teacher crisis
Rental crisis
Housing ownership crisis
Nursing crisis
Climate crisis
Indigenous rights crisis
probably missed a few but I am so depressed I think i am going to go off somewhere and curl up in the foetal position
Don’t assume the foetal position Chucky
Come and live in the Philippines brother
This is a third world country with more crisis situations tenfold .. but without the rubbish rules and political correctness that is destroying Australia
And the people here just get on with life happily and are actually happy to have a go
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I am surprised people can make it out of bed and get on with life at the moment with the amount of crisis we have going on atm;
Cost of living crisis
DV crisis
Teacher crisis
Rental crisis
Housing ownership crisis
Nursing crisis
Climate crisis
Indigenous rights crisis
probably missed a few but I am so depressed I think i am going to go off somewhere and curl up in the foetal position
It's a Crises crisis.... :shh
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how dumb are these idiots?
yeah inflation we cant get a handle on it, but lets figure it out by letting every one and his dog in the country adding to the already tight rental market amongst everything else.
gaybo is exactly how i thought he would be. A left wing fool with no concept how to run a cook raffle let alone a country.
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budget is nice. :lol
ive realized the people who voted for them in Vic are actually more stupid than those who they elected.