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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 24, 2008, 12:14:13 PM
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Tyrone Vickery is a Tigers supporter :thumbsup
There's two articles on the net about him today.....
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69477
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24694170-19742,00.html
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I was surprised about him admiring the big Patto as a ruckman. I think Patto is serviceable as a back up ruckman and more suited to a KPP CHF postion.
Oh well I am glad Patto has at least one fan of his ruck work anyway.
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This kid sounds like is is part of the woodwork down at Punt Road and seems to owe the Tigers a bit through inspiration, facilities and support. Appears to be an ideal fit....which usually means he has no chance what-so-ever! :'(
Hope I'm wrong. I would like to see this kid running around with his 'idols' Simmo and Patto. :)
Stripes
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just another reason to draft him!
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Alex Gilmour was a huge Richmond fan as a kid too! :-\
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Don't mind the look of the build of this kid either, seems to have a bit of meat on his bones which you dont usually see on young rucks and some of the current older bean poles running around.
Could be very useful in a year or two if he has a man's body and is urgently needed when Simmo retires.
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Alex Gilmour was a huge Richmond fan as a kid too! :-\
Shane Crawford followed the Tiges as a kid too :P.
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Picks of the draft: Tyrone Vickery
Emma Quayle | November 27, 2008
FROM:
The Sandringham Dragons and Haileybury College, where Vickery has played after recovering from a season-ending knee injury in early 2007. He played for Vic Metro in this year's under- 18 national championships
THE NUMBERS:
Born 31 May, 1990, 200 centimetres, 89 kilograms.
THE LOWDOWN:
Vickery is a ruckman, and spent much of his time out injured studying the subtleties of ruck work. But he is also a strong mark, and it's easy to envisage him becoming, at 200 centimetres and with pace, a powerful centre half-forward.
RUNNING AND JUMPING:
Vickery's endurance can do with some work. But - off a knee reconstruction - he has a lot to offer athletically. His speed is a highlight - Vickery ran a 2.94-second 20-metre sprint, finishing in a hurry after running the first five metres in 1.04 seconds. His 20-metre time put him in the top 20 per cent of the kids at draft camp.
WHERE WILL HE END UP?
Port Adelaide, which holds pick No. 4, has had a good look. Even Fremantle, at No. 3, had Vickery high on its list at one point. But I think he will get through to Richmond - where his father John works as a rehab and weights coach - at pick No.8.
IRRELEVANT YET INTERESTING FACT:
Vickery was a big Brisbane Lions fan as a kid, and was once picked to be the club's mascot for a day and run out with the team. He still has a photo of himself with Michael Voss. He's switched to the Tigers since his dad has been working there.
IF HE WAS A BISCUIT HE'D BE: A Chocolate Royal.
This is not in reference to Vickery being a marshmallow in any way. But Royals have the tough base and the puffy top - a bit like Vickery with his strong body and crazy dreadlocked hair. Oh, OK, so I'm really struggling to think of a biscuit for Tyrone Vickery...
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfmatchreport/picks-of-the-draft-tyrone-vickery/2008/11/26/1227491638815.html
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He's our boy :thumbsup
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(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/AFL/AFL%20U-Z/Vickery246xWIM.jpg)
Tyrone Vickery 200.0cm 88.80kg
* Sept 7 - Plenty of fire in Dragon - http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl...6-19742,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24302196-19742,00.html)
* Oct 2 – The four tops - http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/the-...2651177545.html (http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/the-four-tops/2008/10/01/1222651177545.html)
* Oct 4 - Top prospects ready to switch states - http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tab...px?newsId=68645 (http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68645)
* Oct 6 - Vickery's Draft Camp diary - http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tab...px?newsId=68662 (http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68662)
* Oct 16 - Vickery shapes as draft target for Power - http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tab...px?newsId=69046 (http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69046)
* Nov 24 - Draft countdown: Tyrone Vickery - http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69477 (http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69477)
* Nov 24 - Try, Tyrone Vickery again - http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24694170-19742,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24694170-19742,00.html)
2008 Championship highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf1Zl4f5Rks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf1Zl4f5Rks)
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Cool, welcome to Richmond Tyrone
Happy as with this pick-up
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Very very happy :thumbsup
Welcome to RFC Tyrone
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Excited to have Tyrone at Richmond. Big, tough aggressive kid, Good selection. Very happy with it.
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They'll be interviewing him on the AFL internet broadcast soon.
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Welcome to TYGERLAND.. :gotigers
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Selection 8: Tyrone Vickery
10:08 AM Sat 29 November, 2008
Watch Tyrone Vickery in action - http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/85158 (http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/85158)
Date of birth: 31/5/90
Height: 200cm
Weight: 89kg
Club: Sandringham Dragons
Bio: Vickery is a strong-marking ruckman who can go forward with great effect. He is a competitive player with good decision making ability. Vickery represented Vic Metro in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships and won All-Australian selection.
Jason McCartney says: Tyrone did an ACL the year before, but his dad is one of the fitness guys at Richmond so he did a power of work on his rehab. Tyrone was in our academy the year before last and he was outstanding. I remember a game he played for us – he was playing forward because (Nick) Naitanui was in the ruck and, in the first five minutes, he grabbed three marks and kicked a couple of goals and was really good below his knees. In the ruck he's got beautiful soft hands. He's a very intelligent kid so he understands the game well and knows how to get in the right spots.
Stats:
NAB AFL Under 18 Championships
Team Mt K HB D M HO T G
Vic Metro 4 5.0 5.5 10.5 4.3 11.3 2.5 1.3
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=70129
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It doesn't take long to get them into club gear...
(http://www.gspimages.com.au/images/thumbs/main/162804.jpg)
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They'll be interviewing him on the AFL internet broadcast soon.
He was very impressive in front of the mike. Spoke very well and even the SEN guys were amazed at his coolness.
Vickery will take a couple of years to bulk up but we've fixed a need as well as getting the best available player at our pick. Thank you Freo and Carlton.
I reckon he'll start his career mostly up forward. A bit like Kruezer we'll try to protect his body initially and keep him out of the ruck as much as possible while he develops.
Love the Tygerland line bj :thumbsup.
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http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf1Zl4f5Rks&feature=related
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http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf1Zl4f5Rks&feature=related
That was the game that cemented Vickery in the top 10 of the draft.
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Should be great, hope Putty comes good.
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A family affair for the Tigers
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
3:31 PM Sat 29 November, 2008
TYRONE Vickery is now a Tiger - and it's a family thing down at Punt Rd, with dad John working at the club in the strength and conditioning department.
The 18-year-old from the Sandringham Dragons has been training with his dad and said it was a massive relief to be taken at No.8 in the 2008 NAB AFL Draft.
"As soon as it started, the nerves really kicked in and some heavy breaths were taken, but the sooner your name gets called out, the sooner the anxiety ends," he told afl.com.au just minutes after being selected.
"It's a massive relief – it's a lot of hard work, and to stay in Melbourne around family ...
"It's a great club, it's got some great fitness staff with my dad, and I'm very happy.
"I train with him three or four times a week with a group, and he treats me no different – he's very hard on me."
Vickery is a strong-marking ruckman who can also play forward, and is noted for his ability to make good decisions when under pressure, attributes that saw him selected in the 2008 All-Australian Under-18 side.
He said it was no contest as to who he was most looking forward to training with at the Tigers.
"I've been a Richmond fan for a while so obviously Matty Richardson, as any Tigers fan would, but really all of them – I'm just looking forward to getting down there.
"Terry (Wallace, coach) has always been very friendly towards me, and always willing to have a chat to me; that's the only way I've ever known him, and nothing's changed since the first time I met him."
And it's always a good thing when your mum is pleased.
"I think she had a couple of sleepless nights at the thought of me going interstate, but the whole family's very relieved."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=70450
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I'm rapt with Vickery, it was meant to be....
Like a lot on here, I didn't think he'd make it to 8...
Yep I agree MT, Freo's pick virtually paved the way....Carlton were never going to pick him.
:gotigers
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Here's Vickery's interview on Bigpond:
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/91401 (http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/91401)
Plough is very happy.
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Vickery gets to stay in Tigerland fold
Michael Gleeson | November 30, 2008
TY VICKERY was three when his dad thought he might have something as a player.
"I remember this one day, he was about three years of age, and I kicked the ball along the ground and he was with his sister and he automatically cut her off and ran between her and the ball to pick it up and kick it back to me, and I thought then, 'Oh, he's got a bit in him'," John Vickery recalled yesterday.
"He then started playing when he was seven, playing under nines at Caulfield, and he was in the best players all the time so I knew he had something. He was always tall, always played in the ruck or centre half-forward from the time he was seven onwards, and by the time he was 10 or 11 he was really dominating the ruck contests."
He had some pedigree for making a judgement of these types, does John Vickery. He was at Collingwood in 1971 and 1972 and had just made his breakthrough to the senior side when, in just his fourth game, he backed into a goal post and broke his back.
Specialists told him he would never play sport again and, while he did not manage to return to VFL football, he did go on to play more than 300 games around the country.
For years now, he has been the boxing coach helping out at Richmond with the players in rehabilitation and still has the look of a man able to pull on a jumper, or get in the ring. He and the Tigers had long harboured a desire to get Ty to Punt Road, but with Port Adelaide expressing keen interest, doubted that he would slide through to them. Only in recent weeks as word out of Alberton suggested they might be looking at a midfielder instead of a ruckman did they figure on the possibility that Ty might still be available at pick eight.
"I just didn't think two months ago he would get to Richmond with all the talk going on, so it is just great. (Brian) 'Choco' Royal was just looking at me the whole time as the names were being read out, and as soon as Hamish Hartlett's name was read out for Port Adelaide he just gave me the biggest smile and put the thumbs up and we were there," Vickery said.
"As soon as Ty's name was called out his legs started to go up and down, he really wanted to get to Richmond, he was quite willing to go to Port Adelaide or wherever might have drafted him, but it was a good choice as far as he is concerned."
Ty seemingly has his father's work ethic, having trained with his dad at the Richmond gym over the past six weeks, along with a few mates including James Strauss, who was drafted by Melbourne at pick 19.
"I said to him before, 'Mate, you think I have been training you hard the last couple of years — you ain't seen nothing yet'," Vickery said.
Ty had been given enough feedback from clubs to know he was likely to be taken early in the draft, but was still anxious none the less.
"The word the last few weeks was that Port would go for a midfielder so when they had their pick I knew I was a massive chance to stay in Melbourne and I was very relieved and the whole family is very happy," Ty said.
"There were a lot of jokes going around from the recruiters that they were too scared not to pick me with Dad there. But we are all very comfortable with it, I have been training there for a good two years now, using their facilities, so I am very familiar with the place."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/vickery-gets-to-stay-in-tigerland-fold/2008/11/29/1227491900966.html
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Vickery is one big/tall boy when you see him close up in the flesh :o.
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Confirmed - Vickery will be wearing..... #29
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Vickery's number's up
By Luke Holmesby
1:47 PM Fri 05 December, 2008
THERE are not many physical attributes common to both Ty Vickery and Kevin Bartlett.
The 403-game legend, famous for his balding head and short stature is the complete contrast to this year's first-round draftee, whose messy mop of hair sits atop a 200cm frame.
While they opposites in appearance, they do have one thing in common, as Vickery will wear Bartlett's famous no. 29 for the Tigers.
Vickery joked that the famous number would look a little different on him than it did Bartlett.
"There's not many similarities but hopefully I can create my own legacy with it. Hopefully I won't get the nickname 'Hungry'," Vickery laughed.
"It all happened so fast and I didn't get a chance to think about it. I'm very happy to be taking it and hope to do justice."
Vickery says he has been warmly welcomed to the club where his father John is the boxing coach.
While he was speaking to the assembled media in his first week at Richmond, Vickery's teammates were doing their best to distract the youngster – a sign that he has been accepted as one of their own.
"Yeah, they're pretty quick to get on you if you do anything like a media interview, but it's all in good fun," he said.
"I think I've settled in really well. It's a very young group and easy to fit into in that sense. The young guys have really been eased into it with the training load to manage ourselves and I think I've adapted quite well."
Vickery says he doesn't feel at all strange having his dad around him at his new club.
"I feel like any other player. He doesn't treat me any differently. I've been training under him for years now and I'm really used to it. It doesn't affect me at all; it doesn't play on my mind or anything."
Vickery played this year for the Sandringham Dragons and Haileybury College as a ruckman/forward and will be groomed by coach Terry Wallace to play up forward to start his AFL career.
"Terry said he's happy for me to start as a forward, particularly since I'm younger to develop my body and those aspects of my game. Hopefully I can move back into the ruck as I get older and put on some weight."
http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=70645
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Vickery played this year for the Sandringham Dragons and Haileybury College as a ruckman/forward and will be groomed by coach Terry Wallace to play up forward to start his AFL career.
"Terry said he's happy for me to start as a forward, particularly since I'm younger to develop my body and those aspects of my game. Hopefully I can move back into the ruck as I get older and put on some weight."
http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=70645
HF: Deledio Riewoldt Cotchin
FF: Brown Vickery Morton
Forward line looks alright if Vickery can come good early on.
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HF: Deledio Riewoldt Cotchin
FF: Brown Vickery Morton
Forward line looks alright if Vickery can come good early on.
Some decent young talent developing there and if you take out Browny the oldest will be only 22 next year :o. The one thing probably 'missing' is a Rioli type lightning quick small forward who also adds strong defensive pressure at ground level.
On Vickery I think he might play half a dozen games at the most next year. There's no rush and we want him to play for another 12 years.
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HF: Deledio Riewoldt Cotchin
FF: Brown Vickery Morton
Forward line looks alright if Vickery can come good early on.
Some decent young talent developing there and if you take out Browny the oldest will be only 22 next year :o. The one thing probably 'missing' is a Rioli type lightning quick small forward who also adds strong defensive pressure at ground level.
On Vickery I think he might play half a dozen games at the most next year. There's no rush and we want him to play for another 12 years.
Edwards, Tambling, Connors should be spending some time in the forward line this year I would assume.
I hope we rookie little Fort from Coburg. Not much of the lad but lots of defensive ground level pressure.
Vickery mgh get a few games depending on the form of Hughes/Schulz/Post/Putt
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Slim gym
IT'S rare to see AFL footballers working out in public gyms, but such was the case early last Thursday afternoon with Richmond ruckman Tyrone Vickery pumping iron in the Fitness First gym at Victoria Gardens Shopping Centre in Richmond. Being supervised by his father, John Vickery, who played for Collingwood in the early 1970s and is the Tigers' rehabilitation and conditioning coach, the highly rated youngster (he was taken with the overall No. 8 pick at last year's national draft but is yet to make his senior debut) is not wasting a day - even an official day off from Punt Road - in his quest to beef up a frame that is officially listed at 200 centimetres and 89 kilograms.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/the-wheel-deal/2009/05/16/1242335938229.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Blood this lad next week against Essendon in the forward-line
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GO VICKERY.... Well done.
YOUNG Richmond tall Tyrone Vickery will make his debut against the West Coast Eagles on Saturday night – new caretaker coach Jade Rawlings' first game in charge.
Vickery, 19, was recruited by the Tigers with their first-round pick, No. 8 overall, in the 2008 NAB AFL Draft.
The club was surprised that Vickery, who shone at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships after returning from a knee reconstruction, was still available when its selection arrived.
At 200cm and 89kg, Vickery is expected to be used as a forward rather than in the ruck – the position he will develop into over the coming years.
Vickery's father John played for Collingwood and is the rehabilitation and conditioning coach at Richmond
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/78580/default.aspx
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Great news and if he shows something in the forwardline we need to leave him there for the remainder of the season and even elevate Browne back into the team to share the ruck roll with Gus and Patto for the year. I would like use to have Patto and Vickery in the forwardline with Riewoldt at HF moving up field and Nahas and Morton having a field day at the big fellows heels.
Now I would like to also see Post play in the backline along with Silvester (give him a chance to see if he will make it before his time runs out) and even little Gilligan getting a run (if early retirements fall his way).
Throw Thomson and Hislop into the mix and this is what I want for the rest of the year - testing out the future
Stripes
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Wrapped for him.
Sources have said he'll play forward and a bit in the ruck.
Um. Surely not against Dean Cox. Play him next to Riewoldt and have designated pockets to lead to from eth square and open it up. Jade please don't play him in the ruck, wait till we play Brisbane or Melbourne.
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Cool cant wait to see this.
I wonder who they will put on him if he plays up forward, it would be a bit tough if he attracts Glass. Hopefully Schulz will play and him and Glass can do nothing together while Vickers carves them up.
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Great news and if he shows something in the forwardline we need to leave him there for the remainder of the season and even elevate Browne back into the team to share the ruck roll with Gus and Patto for the year. I would like use to have Patto and Vickery in the forwardline with Riewoldt at HF moving up field and Nahas and Morton having a field day at the big fellows heels.
Now I would like to also see Post play in the backline along with Silvester (give him a chance to see if he will make it before his time runs out) and even little Gilligan getting a run (if early retirements fall his way).
Throw Thomson and Hislop into the mix and this is what I want for the rest of the year - testing out the future
Stripes
I like your thinking Stripes- play as many kids as possible.
The next few weeks will tell the tale as to which way we are heading.
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about time :thumbsup
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Fantastic. Let's play Post in a few weeks also. :thumbsup
Play the kids they are our future. Get the games into them and lets get them to an acceptable chance of reaching the right tempo at the top level rather than play kids for a few minutes here and there and then back to Coburg as our predecessors have done.
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Why wait for what has transpired and then play him?
Vickery is going to be awesome, I have watched a bit of Coburg and he has been up/down so you guys/gals don't expect too much! Will take time to develop but at least get him a bit of game time at top level while he develops.
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Some youngsters have ability to adapt to AFL football quicker than VFL football because the pace of the game suits them better.
They are trained that hard at TAC level & training camps that VFL level dont suit them at all. Playing with some hacks slows thier progress makes them stale
Once that adrenalin gets pumping in them, some become instant ball magnets. Lets hope Vickery is one of them.
Richmond needs to pull away from Coburg to become a power club again, just my opinion. l know many would be against what l say, but l would like to see the AFL go back to reserves competition again & raise the salary cap & lists numbers so that the standard picks up as l beleive its dropped off since the deletion of the reserves sides.
Skill level is seriously getting poor at top level with kicking
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Vickery = New Messiah......lead us to the promised land young lad. :lol
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Rawlings has what it takes: Vickery
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen Thu 11 June, 2009
RICHMOND’S Tyrone Vickery, who will make his debut for the Tigers this Saturday against the Eagles, says he feels comfortable knowing that his coach at VFL level will guide him through his first match.
Jade Rawlings was installed as the caretaker coach of the Tigers last Saturday, and one of his first changes has been to promote the dreadlocked youngster who has been playing good footy for him at Coburg in the VFL.
Vickery said he expected Rawlings to thrive in the AFL environment.
"Jade's been really good over the first half of the year for myself and the younger guys, so for him to now be coaching at AFL level and me to be playing, I suppose it'll make it pretty easy because I know how he coaches," he said at Punt Rd on Thursday.
"He's got a very good temperament, he's able to handle crisis well and keep a clear head, but I suppose it'll all be tested out when it goes up another step at AFL (level), but I think he'll be a very good caretaker coach for the club."
Three kilos have been added to the Vickery frame since his arrival at the club where his father is the strength and conditioning coach, and he said consistent footy – both in the ruck and forward – in the last month had aided his selection.
"The consistent football in the last month for Coburg – the gap between my best and worst has been much less and hopefully I can continue that at the higher level,” Vickery said.
"When I've got the ball, I pride myself on not turning it over, and also my athleticism for my height, I reckon I'm able to match it in speed and agility with players much smaller than me.
"I haven't really been told as yet (what positions he'll play) – I'd expect it to be a similar role to the role I've been playing for Coburg, because that's what got me into the side, so I suppose a combination of both."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/78627/default.aspx
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Tyrone Vickery calm before first game
Matt Windley | June 11, 2009 01:22pm
TYRONE Vickery concedes his debut isn't the main attraction at Etihad Stadium on Saturday night.
With Ben Cousins facing West Coast for the first time and caretaker coach Jade Rawlings taking the reins, the Tigers' faithful could be forgiven for forgetting that the No.8 pick at last year's draft was making his debut.
But Vickery, the son of ex-Collingwood player and current Richmond rehabilitation and conditioning coach John, is nonetheless excited about his first crack at the big time.
"I've been working towards this, obviously, since I got drafted down to the club and it's a very exciting opportunity," Vickery said.
Sporting dreadlocks that put Chance Bateman's old haircut to shame, Vickery, at 200cm and 92kg, is every chance to line-up in the ruck against Dean Cox with Daniel Kerr at his feet.
On his side will be the former Brownlow Medallist Cousins, who Vickery said had spoken to him about how to approach his first game.
"He's had some calming words to me about remaining calm and (reminding me) that it was just another game of football,'' he said.
Vickery is as well placed as anyone to comment on the coaching style of Rawlings after playing seven games under him for VFL affiliate Coburg.
Vickery said his transition from VFL to AFL was arguably easier for him, seeing as it's under the same coach.
"Jade's been really good for half of the year down at Coburg for myself and the younger guys, so for him to be now coaching at AFL level and me playing I suppose it will make it pretty easy, I know what he expects and I know how he coaches.
"He's got a very good temperament, he's able to handle crises well I think, he keeps a clear head, but I suppose it will all be tested out when it goes up another step at AFL (level) but I think he'll be a very good caretaker coach for the club.''
Vickery said having the connection to the club through his dad had made it easier to settle in at Punt Rd.
"It was a really familiar environment upon walking into the club and I'd met most of the players a few times before so, in that sense, it was pretty easy," he said.
"But I think all the first year draftees were able to fit in pretty well because it's a pretty young group and they’re pretty welcoming."
Also poised to make his debut tomorrow night is No.2 draft pick and fellow dread-head Nick Naitanui, who Vickery encountered on numerous occasions at the junior national championships.
"I first came up against him in under-16s ... and through the AIS program we were in the same induction so I've had a fair bit to do with him … he's quite a talented player.
“I suppose (because of) the positions we play, I'm sure we'll cross paths if we both line up.''
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25620170-19742,00.html
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"Jade's been really good over the first half of the year for myself and the younger guys, so for him to now be coaching at AFL level and me to be playing, I suppose it'll make it pretty easy because I know how he coaches," he said at Punt Rd on Thursday.
"He's got a very good temperament, he's able to handle crisis well and keep a clear head, but I suppose it'll all be tested out when it goes up another step at AFL (level), but I think he'll be a very good caretaker coach for the club."
Taking the art form of sucking up to a new level :lol
Good luck Ty
:gotigers
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All the best to Ty on Saturday night :thumbsup.
He looked very comfortable in front of the media and camera today too. Very well spoken :clapping
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So how did we all think Ty went on debut?
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Vicks wasn't influential on the game or anything and he looked nervous early on but he showed enough as the game progressed that was encouraging to see from a young tall in his first AFL game. I'd keep him in the side. Good to see the rest of boys run to Ty after he kicked his first goal.
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Battle of the dreads
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he showed some goiod signs
Natanui showed amazing signs. this kids is gonna be a freak. in 5 yrs he will be 120kgs or more. his body is already bigger than most seasononed campaigners and his second/third efforts were amazing and his speed and agility for his size was amazing
Gonna enjoy watching this kid play even though he is an eagle
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I actually thought that he played in slow motion.
Thought I can see he will only get better after the run.
Lets hope we stay with what we had last night.
So happy.
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Natanui is why you tank in AFL footy as for our lad I thought he went good. Id like to see him stretch his arms out when taking a mark and not waiting for it on the chest- maybe first game nerves anyway a good start imho.
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he showed some goiod signs
Natanui showed amazing signs. this kids is gonna be a freak. in 5 yrs he will be 120kgs or more. his body is already bigger than most seasononed campaigners and his second/third efforts were amazing and his speed and agility for his size was amazing
Gonna enjoy watching this kid play even though he is an eagle
One of the most exciting players i have ever seen.........and his only played one game. He has the look, the game to be one of the biggest drawcards the game has seen.
TT i couldn't help just watching where this kid was even when our players had the ball.
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With all due respect to Vickory, who i thought was just ok last night at best, it shows you the difference between the number two draft pick and the number eight.
I love seeing the kids run around and learning together but winning games against the Eagles, Kangas and Freeo is meaningless imo.
If we beat a side in the eight, that's great and i can handle getting the four points but beating shyt teams, getting flogged by the better sides and missing out on early draft picks and prioity picks is just dumb! :banghead
Our two best players/kids are top two draft picks, surely that speaks for itself.
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Not surprising I thought he showed a fair few nerves and initially sturggled with the speed of the game, which is to be expected
Thought he showed some good signs but he like a lot of young talls is going to take time
Would certaily give him a few games to settle... Long term it what it's about and there was enough there to show long term we may be on to something :thumbsup
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Needs a haircut
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Natanui is why you tank in AFL footy
well said
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Rawlings is liking the steady improvement of Vickery:
"Ty Vickery took another step forward. He hasn’t had a total break-out game yet, but he just keeps improving each week. He’s starting to show that he’s actually a very good ground-level player for his size, and that he has sound composure. His kicking skills also are good."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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There was a few passages of play last week where he showed his mobility and skills. Moves and handles the ball like a player much smaller than the usual slow/akward ruck-type.
I've been impressed with his composure so far and with a little bit of size he could be another tall midfielder for us around stoppages.
Stripes
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Like to see him make a little more body contact at bounce downs would be my only criticism thus far. Same goes for Angus.
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Like to see him make a little more body contact at bounce downs would be my only criticism thus far. Same goes for Angus.
Like to see him develop a body first ;)
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Like to see him make a little more body contact at bounce downs would be my only criticism thus far. Same goes for Angus.
Like to see him develop a body first ;)
Agreed
The expectations of some are very weird
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Happy to see him out on the feild.
I think he has improved his games heaps from last time.
And being a big man he will take longer to develop.
So lets all give him the chance to grow into the game.
I like him.
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As mat mentioned in the Essendon game thread some fancy footwork by Vickery in the 3rd quarter which was incredible to see from a 200cm tall :o. He must have got carried away with having #29 on his back ;D.
Not complaint so far. He's showing improvement with every game he plays :thumbsup.
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l'm glad they gave this lad the chance to play cause he is showing some promise
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one thing I noticed with him today, he wasnt hitting to his feet, but trying to hit into open space to give our runners a chance.
His ruck work hasnt been good but today it improved heaps, nice game :thumbsup
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he's a mile ahead of where I thought he'd be i am proud to say...he has great quick hands , great awareness and agility...solid mark but that will improve with better upper body strength as will his timing in the ruck contest...we've got a good player with this one :gotigers
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Healy on 3aw just said he reckons Vickery is protecting his reconstructed knee in ruck contests and needs someone to help him out.
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Seems to contest & jump ok to me
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Seems to contest & jump ok to me
Actually watched him in the warm ups.
Timing is out and jumps way too high.
pee the jumping bag off in the warm ups would be a start.
he actually taps okay, when he actually touches the ball
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He jumps early as a negating technique against his opponent
Simmonds does it because he's short, Vickery because he's a stick
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He jumps early as a negating technique against his opponent
Simmonds does it because he's short, Vickery because he's a stick
And thats why his timing is out :banghead
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He jumps early as a negating technique against his opponent
Simmonds does it because he's short, Vickery because he's a stick
And thats why his timing is out :banghead
Well at least tyrone looks at the bloody ball as opposed to Gus Graham who constantly looks at his opponent
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The Jolly Giant toyed with young TV.
One day the shoe will be on the other foot but not yet.
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Ty to give a talk on his first year in the AFL to this year's new draftess
Drugs, alcohol, gambling on agenda at draftees' camp
Herald Sun January 08, 2010 4.27pm
YOUNG stars Jack Ziebell and Tyrone Vickery will pass on what they have learned in one year of AFL to this year's crop of draftees at a camp next week.
Gambling, drugs, alcohol and the pressures of life in the AFL spotlight will be on the agenda at the 2010 AFLPA induction camp.
More than 120 draftees and rookies will take part in the camp at Albert Park on Monday and Tuesday.
Kangaroo Ziebell and Tiger Vickery will speak on the topic "my first year in the AFL" while Bomber Bachar Houli, Blue Setanta O'hAilpin and Magpie Harry O'Brien will talk about cultural diversity in football.
Former Demon David Schwarz, who had a high-profile gambling problem, will conduct a forum on the issue while Steve Alessio will host a discussion entitled "alcohol and football - your choice".
The AFLPA says the camp will focus on the key themes of resilience, decision making and communication.
Saint Lenny Hayes and Demon Cameron Bruce will also be among the presenters at the event.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/drugs-alcohol-gambling-on-agenda-at-draftees-camp/story-e6frf9io-1225817430714
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I hope that the reason Tyrone has been selected for this is he shows natural leadership attributes.
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Seems so al going by Emma's Quayle's twitter page (she's at the AFL induction camp where Ty is speaking at) ......
Richmond has 13 players here. Yellow and black shirts everywhere.
Tyrone Vickery and Jack Ziebell are talking to the group about their first season. Ty has lost the dreds!
Vickey is a mega impressive speaker. About to start his law degree. He might even run the AFLPA one day
http://twitter.com/emmasq
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Well I know this guy is young as yes he has to develop and all the rest that goes with our new recruits (from last year) but.. ;D. I really thought he would have improved a little more than he has so far from what I have read and heard.
Reports from the practice match on Friday on various forums didn't really fill me full of promise about this kid for now or the future. I also listened to the Campbell interview and when asked about Vickery he didn't seem (judging from his comments and voice) to well, get excited about the progression of Vickery.
Probably reading into this a bit too much but I had/have huge wraps for this kid and really wanted us to pick him up in the PSD when we did. I just hope in the future he becomes something, I actually rated him above Natanui after watching them compete against each other (albeit on youtube) and I felt Vickery was better and had more to offer.
But as round 1 looms Natanui is poised to grab the game by the throat, if you read the papers over here and listen to the news... ::).
Just putting it out there, I am not saying he won't make it or that he is no good so please don't twist my post around. I just thought he may of progressed a little further this year. :thumbsup
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Patience is a virtue WAT.
Tyrone has played 9 games and kicked 5 goals in his debut year.
Nick Nat has only kicked 3 goals in his 10 game career (all in 1 quarter)
Brad Ottens kicked 2 goals and played 12 games in his first year.
At 89 kgs...I think its going to take a few more pre seasons before he starts to make a serious impact.
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Key position players and Ruckmen in particular are notoriously slow developers. I was like you though WA, I was hoping he would burst on the scene within his first 3 years but history/reality shows us we will have to wait until he is a similiar size to the players he is competing with. Given his lack of over size, which I have no doubt his Dad is working to develop, he is a ways off at present. His strengths at the moment are not in the ruck contests where his lack of size is shown up, but rather in his work around the ground as another midfield option and perhaps even as a tall target int he forwardline. From what I understand he will be used as our 2nd/3rd ruckman this year more than as a forward to allow his to continue to develop his future game and in addition allow our young forwards the room to do likewise.
It's hard to be patient when we have waited an eternity already for success but like our flag chances, Vickery is still a ways off. :'(
Stripes
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This thread has become a joke in the past couple of weeks
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This thread has become a joke in the past couple of weeks
And why would that be Infamy??
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This thread has become a joke in the past couple of weeks
And why would that be Infamy??
Your doubts over his development would be the main one
How many rucks develop better than he has after 1 season? We haven't even started this one and you're already asking questions.
:banghead
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Well I know this guy is young as yes he has to develop and all the rest that goes with our new recruits (from last year) but.. ;D. I really thought he would have improved a little more than he has so far from what I have read and heard.
Reports from the practice match on Friday on various forums didn't really fill me full of promise about this kid for now or the future. I also listened to the Campbell interview and when asked about Vickery he didn't seem (judging from his comments and voice) to well, get excited about the progression of Vickery.
Probably reading into this a bit too much but I had/have huge wraps for this kid and really wanted us to pick him up in the PSD when we did. I just hope in the future he becomes something, I actually rated him above Natanui after watching them compete against each other (albeit on youtube) and I felt Vickery was better and had more to offer.
But as round 1 looms Natanui is poised to grab the game by the throat, if you read the papers over here and listen to the news... ::).
Just putting it out there, I am not saying he won't make it or that he is no good so please don't twist my post around. I just thought he may of progressed a little further this year. :thumbsup
come on WAT we both know the WA press only know blue and yellow chill out have a few beers Tyrone will be a valued Tiger for many seasons to come
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And here I was thinking this was a forum to pose my questions and question where players are at.... silly me... ;D I did not say he wasn't any good and I did say I realise he is young and ra ra freaking ra. All I am saying is that I thought, get that, thought, he may have progressed a little further than he has in the pre season.
Don't get too excited Infamy... :banghead, Hell people are already talking about us getting pick 4 in this years draft and you want to have a crack at me..... please. I thought we were getting on so well on this forum too..... :lol
By the way I do realise that the only teams in existance are the Eagles and Dorkers over here.
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And here I was thinking this was a forum to pose my questions and question where players are at.... silly me... ;D I did not say he wasn't any good and I did say I realise he is young and ra ra freaking ra. All I am saying is that I thought, get that, thought, he may have progressed a little further than he has in the pre season
And yet I am willing to bet you have not actually seen any decent of stint football he has played this pre-season to make an opinion of your own!
I haven't either, so let's not get pessimistic on one or two second-hand opinions we hear on the almighty internet (I have also heard good opinions to go with the ordinary) before we see what the kid can do on gameday for a couple of weeks for a 2nd year ruckman to judge him with our own eyes. :thumbsup
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And here I was thinking this was a forum to pose my questions and question where players are at.... silly me... ;D I did not say he wasn't any good and I did say I realise he is young and ra ra freaking ra. All I am saying is that I thought, get that, thought, he may have progressed a little further than he has in the pre season
And yet I am willing to bet you have not actually seen any decent of stint football he has played this pre-season to make an opinion of your own!
I haven't either, so let's not get pessimistic on one or two second-hand opinions we hear on the almighty internet (I have also heard good opinions to go with the ordinary) before we see what the kid can do on gameday for a couple of weeks for a 2nd year ruckman to judge him with our own eyes. :thumbsup
Thats right ta I havent seen him play this year and thats why I said FROM ALL REPORTS, not being pessimistic either just asking what other people think about his progression and where he is going..
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LMAO
What a pack of old moles. :scream
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LMAO
What a pack of old moles. :scream
OX be careful who you are calling old or I might have to come over and hit you with the walking stick.
;D
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I'll make sure I'm sitting down.... :)
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What did we all think of Tyrone's game tonight?
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showed some good signs. Am impressed with his ablity to find space in tight areas. STill very very raw and a lot of water to go under the bridge but tonight is something you can build on
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I like the way Ty goes about things.
Has got a little touch of class and with more experience he'll learn and become more consistent. Have some hope that this kid will develop adequately.
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Developing well a positive thus far considering our development history
Throws his weight around as much as Simmonds does
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Was certainly much more prominent last night against 2 bigger bodies. His last 2 weeks have been the first hints that he might make it.
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Was certainly much more prominent last night against 2 bigger bodies. His last 2 weeks have been the first hints that he might make it.
Agree one of the few good things to happen the last 2 weeks, seems to be slowly coming on with every game now.
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Was certainly much more prominent last night against 2 bigger bodies. His last 2 weeks have been the first hints that he might make it.
Agree one of the few good things to happen the last 2 weeks, seems to be slowly coming on with every game now.
Am happy with his improvement.
Would like to see him improve in not being caught between contests, gets caught in the position of being a release player when he should be at the contest. Numerous times last night, he received handballs when free,(thats okay though) just to have him double back and give off again,nothing wrong with that, but thats not his role.. His improvement has been good,
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100% Agree Jack I noticed that aswell
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Was certainly much more prominent last night against 2 bigger bodies. His last 2 weeks have been the first hints that he might make it.
Agree one of the few good things to happen the last 2 weeks, seems to be slowly coming on with every game now.
Am happy with his improvement.
Would like to see him improve in not being caught between contests, gets caught in the position of being a release player when he should be at the contest. Numerous times last night, he received handballs when free,(thats okay though) just to have him double back and give off again,nothing wrong with that, but thats not his role.. His improvement has been good,
What a load of hogwash Jack, if you honestly think we can sit back and believe your crap because you talk the lingo you have got to be kidding. Where do you think Tyrone Vickery would have been a release player!!! Please. He may have received some handballs when he was standing still only because he was daydreaming and not willing to work hard enough to get to contests, until Ty actually puts a bit of grunt into his game then he hasnt improved one ounce. He cant just get a game because his old man is the boxing coach, he needs to be aggressive at the centre contests, right now he looks timid and frightened to jump at centre bounce contests.
I think he will be alright in time but he needs to get on his bike when he is not involved but Jack please dont try and tell me he is in a position to be release player!!!
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Was certainly much more prominent last night against 2 bigger bodies. His last 2 weeks have been the first hints that he might make it.
Agree one of the few good things to happen the last 2 weeks, seems to be slowly coming on with every game now.
Am happy with his improvement.
Would like to see him improve in not being caught between contests, gets caught in the position of being a release player when he should be at the contest. Numerous times last night, he received handballs when free,(thats okay though) just to have him double back and give off again,nothing wrong with that, but thats not his role.. His improvement has been good,
What a load of hogwash Jack, if you honestly think we can sit back and believe your crap because you talk the lingo you have got to be kidding. Where do you think Tyrone Vickery would have been a release player!!! Please. He may have received some handballs when he was standing still only because he was daydreaming and not willing to work hard enough to get to contests, until Ty actually puts a bit of grunt into his game then he hasnt improved one ounce. He cant just get a game because his old man is the boxing coach, he needs to be aggressive at the centre contests, right now he looks timid and frightened to jump at centre bounce contests.
I think he will be alright in time but he needs to get on his bike when he is not involved but Jack please dont try and tell me he is in a position to be release player!!!
YOUR AN IDIOT.
I didnt say I wanted him to be a release player, I said he was caught in that position . ::) ::)
reasons being he probably doesnt work hard enough to get to the contest.
Mate, only telling you in what I seen :banghead :banghead
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saw a few signs last night, a nice mark under some pressure and some neat handballs in traffic showing good decision making, if he could double those efforts by season end , Id be wrapt :thumbsup
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nice game by ty
he is a aggresive and skilfful, coming along ahead of schedule
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Was certainly much more prominent last night against 2 bigger bodies. His last 2 weeks have been the first hints that he might make it.
Agree one of the few good things to happen the last 2 weeks, seems to be slowly coming on with every game now.
Am happy with his improvement.
Would like to see him improve in not being caught between contests, gets caught in the position of being a release player when he should be at the contest. Numerous times last night, he received handballs when free,(thats okay though) just to have him double back and give off again,nothing wrong with that, but thats not his role.. His improvement has been good,
What a load of hogwash Jack, if you honestly think we can sit back and believe your crap because you talk the lingo you have got to be kidding. Where do you think Tyrone Vickery would have been a release player!!! Please. He may have received some handballs when he was standing still only because he was daydreaming and not willing to work hard enough to get to contests, until Ty actually puts a bit of grunt into his game then he hasnt improved one ounce. He cant just get a game because his old man is the boxing coach, he needs to be aggressive at the centre contests, right now he looks timid and frightened to jump at centre bounce contests.
I think he will be alright in time but he needs to get on his bike when he is not involved but Jack please dont try and tell me he is in a position to be release player!!!
I disagree. I believe that Ty improved his aggression in contests last night. Not sure if you were at the game sugark but there was a lot he did off the ball including some good shepherds. Jackstar is correct when he stated that he was a bit of a receiver at times but overall it was a much improved game especially in the ruck contests and whilst Mumford and Seaby were bigger bodies, Ty looked far more mobile and has quicker hands. He's not going to be a Frankenstein ruckman like Mumford, He's going to be more of a Jolly type.
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Can't find a Vickory Thread.
Another one who has copped a bit of heat this year, thought he played one of his better games. His ruck work was a lot better his jumping and timing looked to be a lot cleaner. He pushed forward and back pretty well and took a very good contested mark pushing forward and kicking truely.
He has 4 years until he starts to hit his peak potential he looks to be improving well. Another 2 or 3 games like that this season and he would have ticked the box of development for 2010.
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It's Vickery PL, not Vickory, i am not not trying to be a smart arse.
I also think he is getting better every week and it's great to see!!
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is it my imagination or do most of our players who go back to coburg ,come back better players
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is it my imagination or do most of our players who go back to coburg ,come back better players
whic goes to show that development is working. Coach gives them a block of games in seniors then sendsthem back to cburg to work on deficiencies. Once dne they come back to seniors better players and continue the process until they are afl ready
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Its a good observation Gig.
Coburg are also getting better. Alot of credit has to go to the Coburg hierachcy aswell. Guys like Connors, Vickery, Graham , White even the likes of Nahas and King in spells.
Polak and Browne are playing well. We just need the Postman to get a game and show improvement!
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Its a good observation Gig.
Coburg are also getting better. Alot of credit has to go to the Coburg hierachcy aswell. Guys like Connors, Vickery, Graham , White even the likes of Nahas and King in spells.
Polak and Browne are playing well. We just need the Postman to get a game and show improvement!
See my coments on another thread re: Danny Daly's pre-match words Pope. They had Post in the gym for most of the pre-season and are now working on his running fitness and gameday output. Seems it was a plan all along to build him up first before they concentrated on the attributes that will make him a senior football. Daly showed no concern and was very confident Post will make it - said he is very close to a senior recall.
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Still 4 years away but his last quarter was great. Took a very important contested mark on the back flank. His work around the ground was impressive. Had 1 blunder blazing away inside 50 to an unmarked McPhee.
The shot at goal where he hit the post would have been a superb big man goal roving a moving ball on the deck and a little shimmy aswell lol.
Still is years away but played really well when he needed to stand up for an injured Graham and against the best ruckman in the comp.
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he is progressing nicely, improving each week
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he is progressing nicely, improving each week
Ditto.
Sandliands dominated the hitouts but I actually thought Ty contested better against 211 than Gus. Still won't get near his peak for another 5 years but the whole point of now is to get games and experience into TV.
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Loved the bit on the wing where he turned on the afterburners and outran his much smaller opponent. Saw Lids do it a few times too.
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he is progressing nicely, improving each week
seems as though everyone is. A good coach and good development staff make all the difference don't you think....
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Loved the bit on the wing where he turned on the afterburners and outran his much smaller opponent. Saw Lids do it a few times too.
yeah, was very impressed with that, TV is improving ea week, we'll see a different player after he comes out bigger and stronger following another pre season
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Loved the bit on the wing where he turned on the afterburners and outran his much smaller opponent. Saw Lids do it a few times too.
yeah, was very impressed with that, TV is improving ea week, we'll see a different player after he comes out bigger and stronger following another pre season
Hopefully not that much slower, like has happened with Post.
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Time for a rest.
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Bring on Browne! How many good games must he play for the burgers before he gets the nod?
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Bring on Browne! How many good games must he play for the burgers before he gets the nod?
Yep, just had that exact same conversation with my son GR12. If Browne doesn't get a crack next week after the performance those 2 put up today then he would have every right to wonder where his future is going to be best served.
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And Browne's body is big too! Not like Vickery who all dick and bones!
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really needs to make way for big red...is a passenger at the moment...had a chance to nail a chest mark deep in firward line v a smaller opponent and fluffed it..let him develop at coburg...North gained the ascendancy in the rucks, rest is history
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BrownE in for sure
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Bring on Browne! How many good games must he play for the burgers before he gets the nod?
Yep, just had that exact same conversation with my son GR12. If Browne doesn't get a crack next week after the performance those 2 put up today then he would have every right to wonder where his future is going to be best served.
BrownE has to come in
Vickery was DEPLORABLE today
As for Gus - blind freddie could see he went into the game sore after the hits from last week. :banghead :banghead
Could run, couldn't jump. Why did they play him? Seriously? Can anyone tell me?
Too see our ruckmen give away free after free at the centre ball ups because they wouldn't look at the ball because they very watching their opponent was terrible
And then when they actually watched the ball as opposed to the man guess what happened? We won the bloody hit out :banghead ::)
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I think we're a bit harsh on our rucks today wet weather footy never helps.
Browne has to play more for the fact he's playing so well than the fact Vickory deserves to be dropped IMO. I thought he was fantastic against Freo.
Browne has to play next week, first picked ruckman for mine.
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1st rd draft pick .....1st rd rookie draft pick ????
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1st rd draft pick .....1st rd rookie draft pick ????
Don't be a moron, that's a ridiculous comment
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Bring on Browne! How many good games must he play for the burgers before he gets the nod?
Yep, just had that exact same conversation with my son GR12. If Browne doesn't get a crack next week after the performance those 2 put up today then he would have every right to wonder where his future is going to be best served.
BrownE has to come in
Vickery was DEPLORABLE today
As for Gus - blind freddie could see he went into the game sore after the hits from last week. :banghead :banghead
Could run, couldn't jump. Why did they play him? Seriously? Can anyone tell me?
Too see our ruckmen give away free after free at the centre ball ups because they wouldn't look at the ball because they very watching their opponent was terrible
And then when they actually watched the ball as opposed to the man guess what happened? We won the bloody hit out :banghead ::)
Both Ruckmen seemed to concentrate too much on the man rather than the ball. I got the impression the talk from North pre game about them targeting our Rucks got to their heads and affected the way they played.
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I think we're a bit harsh on our rucks today wet weather footy never helps.
I don't. They were both terrible, very very poor, and the North rucks appeared to have no problem with the conditions. Using the weather as an excuse in this case is not justified and lets the player off the hook.
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Video of Ty talking about his draft experience
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/313910/default.aspx
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I'm hoping Ty role can be modified to partly take advantage of the new sub rule over the next few years. Where he can pinch hit in the ruck but his main focus is bring the ball at least to ground around our forward line. Big blokes take time sadly you just have to live with that.
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Move over Jack ;D
Well done Ty. It's only a preseason game but he copped a lot of criticism after the NAB Cup (some of it deservingly) but tonight he lead hard and presented well to impose himself on the game. Now to make it not just a one off and to do it in the real stuff come round 1 with Jack hopefully by his side.
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Yep super game, just very early stages.
Still expect him to play the year out at Coburg again but should hopefully win a few games off his own hand and foot.
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hopefully tonight is one of thoughs games he can always look back on to give him self confidence in moving forward and developing.
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Prediction time I think TV will be a very good player 6' 7" safe hands,only young, and if you watch closely he is extremely quick across the ground. Makes matching up difficult. Let's not listen to the knockers there is a lot to work with. Also good below the knees
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
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Prediction time I think TV will be a very good player 6' 7" safe hands,only young, and if you watch closely he is extremely quick across the ground. Makes matching up difficult. Let's not listen to the knockers there is a lot to work with. Also good below the knees
you forgot versatile. He plays ruck & forward. We can only hope he'll be as good as Benny Gale.
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
Hopefully an improvement on Benny.
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
Hopefully an improvement on Benny.
C'mon MM, ;)..Benny was very good for us, more so in his later years.
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
Hopefully an improvement on Benny.
C'mon MM, ;)..Benny was very good for us, more so in his later years.
No doubt but I'd like to think TV could be even better.
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Spida Everitt comment circa 1996-1998 at St Kilda is pretty much spot on.
If he can be better than that stay injury free and play in the GF if and when we get there and that will be more than Spida in his time at Moorabbin.
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
Hopefully an improvement on Benny.
C'mon MM, ;)..Benny was very good for us, more so in his later years.
No doubt but I'd like to think TV could be even better.
we all would but lets not get ahead of ourselves - first stop lets hope he becomes an afl standard player in a few years.
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
Hopefully an improvement on Benny.
C'mon MM, ;)..Benny was very good for us, more so in his later years.
No doubt but I'd like to think TV could be even better.
we all would but lets not get ahead of ourselves - first stop lets hope he becomes an afl standard player in a few years.
at last some common sense on this thread. anyone ever heard of jay schulz and he managed to kick his 6 goals in the real mccoy.
vickery kicks 5 goals having showed very little to date and its like we have a proven player on our hands. unbelievable the hype that happens with our players.
if vickery struggles again this yr,, and i reckon he will there are going to be some very disgruntled people about the place.
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
Hopefully an improvement on Benny.
C'mon MM, ;)..Benny was very good for us, more so in his later years.
No doubt but I'd like to think TV could be even better.
we all would but lets not get ahead of ourselves - first stop lets hope he becomes an afl standard player in a few years.
at last some common sense on this thread. anyone ever heard of jay schulz and he managed to kick his 6 goals in the real mccoy.
vickery kicks 5 goals having showed very little to date and its like we have a proven player on our hands. unbelievable the hype that happens with our players.
if vickery struggles again this yr,, and i reckon he will there are going to be some very disgruntled people about the place.
Who cares what those disgruntled people have to say. Vickery still should not be expected to do much this year.
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we all would but lets not get ahead of ourselves - first stop lets hope he becomes an afl standard player in a few years.
So it's alright to hope he's as good as Gale but not to hope he's better?
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we all would but lets not get ahead of ourselves - first stop lets hope he becomes an afl standard player in a few years.
So it's alright to hope he's as good as Gale but not to hope he's better?
hope is fine - the way you worded the first quote "I'd like to think he would be better" just came across as a bit premature and unrealistic given what hes shown to date.
Actually reminded me of a poster on BF who said the same thing about Daniel jackson(when he debuted)in response to me when I said given his size, speed, strength and mongrel he could hopefully turn into a James Clement type medium defender and a poster scoffed saying I'd like to think he would be better than james Clement. lol
sorry probably being a bit picky with your play on words
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
Hopefully an improvement on Benny.
C'mon MM, ;)..Benny was very good for us, more so in his later years.
No doubt but I'd like to think TV could be even better.
we all would but lets not get ahead of ourselves - first stop lets hope he becomes an afl standard player in a few years.
at last some common sense on this thread. anyone ever heard of jay schulz and he managed to kick his 6 goals in the real mccoy.
vickery kicks 5 goals having showed very little to date and its like we have a proven player on our hands. unbelievable the hype that happens with our players.
if vickery struggles again this yr,, and i reckon he will there are going to be some very disgruntled people about the place.
Who cares what those disgruntled people have to say. Vickery still should not be expected to do much this year.
agreed. the expectations should be low. they should be lowered to where all we expect is some reasonable improvement mostly at coburg.
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I actually think Ty will end up like our Benny Gale.... :shh :thumbsup...........wait and see!!
Hopefully an improvement on Benny.
C'mon MM, ;)..Benny was very good for us, more so in his later years.
No doubt but I'd like to think TV could be even better.
we all would but lets not get ahead of ourselves - first stop lets hope he becomes an afl standard player in a few years.
at last some common sense on this thread. anyone ever heard of jay schulz and he managed to kick his 6 goals in the real mccoy.
vickery kicks 5 goals having showed very little to date and its like we have a proven player on our hands. unbelievable the hype that happens with our players.
if vickery struggles again this yr,, and i reckon he will there are going to be some very disgruntled people about the place.
Who cares what those disgruntled people have to say. Vickery still should not be expected to do much this year.
agreed. the expectations should be low. they should be lowered to where all we expect is some reasonable improvement mostly at coburg.
As The Wolf said in Pulp Fiction "lets not start sucking each others x$#&s just yet gentlemen"
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sorry probably being a bit picky with your play on words
That's fine tm.
We'll be able to form a better judgement on how Ty is tracking when the real stuff starts.
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Ty is tracking nicely in his development so far this year. He's starting to impose himself on the game and his mobility and agility for someone his size is a real asset to the team. He probably drifted slightly out of the game in the final term but he really stood up after Jack went off playing high across the forward 50 giving a tall marking target that maintained our structure.
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Thought he had a good game as well. I thought he made some nice small steps tonight as did a few of his teammates as well. :thumbsup
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Is he or will he do justice to the number 29? is he fit to wear the old man's number in the manner that Lionel Proctor was? :P :whistle
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Is he or will he do justice to the number 29? is he fit to wear the old man's number in the manner that Lionel Proctor was? :P :whistle
don't forget the great Todd Menengola.
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Do we really need another thread?
The kid is a 3rd year ruckman and already this year has shown signs of improvement, kicking goals, taking contested marks, good disposal
While there are some ruckmen who have come on a little quicker, for someone of his age and size he is well ahead of where he is expected to be
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Do we really need another thread?
The kid is a 3rd year ruckman and already this year has shown signs of improvement, kicking goals, taking contested marks, good disposal
While there are some ruckmen who have come on a little quicker, for someone of his age and size he is well ahead of where he is expected to be
Yep, needs more time, 2-3 yrs will change him completely, he's also a tough character so he will put the work in.
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Do we really need another thread?
No we don't!
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Do we really need another thread?
The kid is a 3rd year ruckman and already this year has shown signs of improvement, kicking goals, taking contested marks, good disposal
While there are some ruckmen who have come on a little quicker, for someone of his age and size he is well ahead of where he is expected to be
Spot on Infamy. Vickery's form is up and down but that's no surprise for his age and (in)experience so hardly time yet to write him off as a 200cm tall 20 year old. Ayce Cordy is from the same draft as TV for instance as is our Big BrownE. Way too early to put a line through any of them.
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I wouldn't right him off
But I do think he needs to go back to the VFL and get some confidence back.
Can not have your 2nd key forward having 5 kicks & 2 marks (sometimes less) a game.
His lack of intensity at times is worse than that shown by Post and that's saying something
He desperately needs to be more aggressive IMHO, he needs to want the ball = demand the ball
Watching him last week he might as well be sitting next to me in the stands - he spent far too much time just spectating
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A better effort from TV this week exploiting his mobility as a tall target although he really should have finished with about 5 goals rather than just the two.
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A better effort from TV this week exploiting his mobility as a tall target although he really should have finished with about 5 goals rather than just the two.
Agree MT. Wish the bugger would hold more marks - he gets himself into the right positions and appears to be learning how to use his body quite well. Another thing I noticed was that he is becoming much more competitive in ruck hitouts, winning taps to advantage much more often now.
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Improving
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His ability to stand up quickly after both him and defender went to ground impressive. But for his inaccurate kicking could have kicked 4. Needs to work on taking contested marks.
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TV is coming along nicely now. Being young he'll still have his off days now and then where he'll struggle to get into a game at all but he's performing his role more often than not this year. Another 3 goals yesterday to take his tally to 10. Keep that up and he's on track for a 30+ goal season which would be a good return.
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Won't be too long before he's completely justified his selection at Pick 8 and may be even make some earlier selections look shakey
Looking at the draft that year, there aren't too many players from the first round still available at Pick 8 that I would take over him and of those none are talls so for structure he was the right pick for us. Only two I really rate at this stage are Sidebottom & Shuey and we don't really need their type of player as much as we need a ruckman/forward like Vickery.
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He's doing nicely. He's agile and can take a nice grab. When he learns how to use his body more and gets confidence in himself I think he will be a great player for us.
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The biggest gripe I had with TV was the lack of mongrel he displayed (along the lines of Tambling). Happy to see turning into an angry ruckman that'll throw his weight around and let his opponents know about it. Coming along nicely and is having an impact.
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Vickery on the rise
By Paul Daffey
Mon 16 May, 2011
RICHMOND ruckman Tyrone Vickery's progress has been slow since he was taken in the top 10 in the 2008 national draft.
With his 21st birthday just around the corner, however, he's starting to make some strides.
Vickey took a career-high eight marks in the Tigers' 35-point loss to the Bulldogs, including one stonker for which he backed into a pack deep in Richmond's forward line.
Last week he kicked a career-best three goals against Fremantle and he followed up by kicking two goals against the Bulldogs.
His tally from eight games this season is 12 goals, an average of 1.5 a game, which is not bad for a relief ruckman.
His average number of marks a game this season is four.
"It was certainly frustrating early," Vickery said. "I'm still a fair way off what I want to be, but I feel I'm getting better along with the team."
At 200 centimetres, Vickery can expect plenty of time to develop. But in his third season of senior football he's showing signs of being an ideal choice to play as a marking forward who takes his turn in the ruck.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick was praised Vickery's development.
"He's progressing at a fair rate," Hardwick said. "We're throwing him out there. I think he's doing a reasonable job."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/113932/default.aspx
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Has the agilty and athleticism at the minute. When he gets better at reading the play and using his big body he'll be a handy player for us. He's going ok I like the kid.
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Starting to impress the Vickers, surely enough though he will have a bad one and the claws will be out.
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I wouldn't right him off
But I do think he needs to go back to the VFL and get some confidence back.
Can not have your 2nd key forward having 5 kicks & 2 marks (sometimes less) a game.
His lack of intensity at times is worse than that shown by Post and that's saying something
He desperately needs to be more aggressive IMHO, he needs to want the ball = demand the ball
Watching him last week he might as well be sitting next to me in the stands - he spent far too much time just spectating
LMAO Ty is Willis Whippin' Boy!
I love it! :lol
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I wouldn't right him off
But I do think he needs to go back to the VFL and get some confidence back.
Can not have your 2nd key forward having 5 kicks & 2 marks (sometimes less) a game.
His lack of intensity at times is worse than that shown by Post and that's saying something
He desperately needs to be more aggressive IMHO, he needs to want the ball = demand the ball
Watching him last week he might as well be sitting next to me in the stands - he spent far too much time just spectating
LMAO Ty is Willis Whippin' Boy!
I love it! :lol
And Postie!
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LMAO Ty is Willis Whippin' Boy!
I love it! :lol
And Postie!
No one could ever take Postie's or Dan Connors spot :thumbsup
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No one could ever take Postie's or Dan Connors spot :thumbsup
Not once they took Newy's spot hey WP?
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No one could ever take Postie's or Dan Connors spot :thumbsup
Not once they took Newy's spot hey WP?
Actually come to think of it I reckon Gus has overtaken them all :rollin
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No one could ever take Postie's or Dan Connors spot :thumbsup
Not once they took Newy's spot hey WP?
Actually come to think of it I reckon Gus has overtaken them all :rollin
Probably because Gus is the only one not at the Burgers? :laugh:
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Vickery was sensational tonight.
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Wouldn't have kicked the goal on the run in the 4th qtr last season, improving steadily.
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Been good this year.
Rance down back and Vickery in the forward line have been fantastic improvers.
Finally we have kids at the club developing and looking like AFL footballers in their third and fourth years. :thumbsup
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TYRONE TREMENDOUS
Tyrone Vickery has been harshly judged at times in his first few senior seasons, yet it's worth remembering that he's still a few months younger than Gold Coast wunderkind Zac Smith. This season, his fourth, Vickery has continued his piece-by-piece improvement, moving between the forward line and the ruck. Last night he started forward and he troubled Dustin Fletcher at times, kicking two first-half goals and scoring the second after taking a high, confident pack mark 40 metres out. His last goal, on the run late in the final quarter, was the game-sealer. He's starting to show the benefits of an early introduction.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-rise-to-dons-challenge-20110521-1eyc7.html#ixzz1N0rMHITN
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One of the best things Tyrone did last night was in the final qtr.
After BrownE had that turnover in the middle which gifted the bombers a goal and got them back to 11 points he ran I reckon about 40+ metres to BrownE and had an encouranging word to him - fantastic leadership for a 20 yo who's played 20 odd games - bloody good stuff IMHO
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Good improvement this year. Fast for a big bloke. Good decision by Hardwick to play him up forward this year. Another player that is beginning to blossom under Hardwick
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has improved out of sight in recent weeks, well done
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has improved out of sight in recent weeks, well done
:thumbsup
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SENS Robert Shaw and co. reckon we should move heaven and earth for Mitch Clark from Brisbane to get him and Vickery working together.
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SENS Robert Shaw and co. reckon we should move heaven and earth for Mitch Clark from Brisbane to get him and Vickery working together.
:lol :rollin
:nope :nope
:rollin
On the same show Mark Fine called Simon Black a cheat ::)
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SENS Robert Shaw and co. reckon we should move heaven and earth for Mitch Clark from Brisbane to get him and Vickery working together.
Been very unimpressed with Clark this year. Don't know if he is sulking or wanting out but his body language and general effort has been poor.
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has improved out of sight in recent weeks, well done
another player making u eat your words lol
keep em coming :wallywink
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has improved out of sight in recent weeks, well done
I guess you didn't like him because of his dad but I reckon it might be time to apologise to him on this forum just as I will if browne can back it up a next week. Vickery has made a giant leap forward this year and he looks like he'll be a great player for us.
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has improved out of sight in recent weeks, well done
I guess you didn't like him because of his dad but I reckon it might be time to apologise to him on this forum just as I will if browne can back it up a next week. Vickery has made a giant leap forward this year and he looks like he'll be a great player for us.
actually like his dad, no issue there
All I have said that he needs to get more than 5 possesions a game
Last night he had 10, but more importanly won the ball in dispute.
Great game last night by Ty :thumbsup
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his dad dont like u lol
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http://www.gameanalyser.afl.com.au/?round=785&match=10310905&eventType=Goal&seek=7673&videoQuality=high
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okay where is vickery at.
personally i wanted him at coburg playing as a ruckman. they saw fit to primarily play him as a forward with some stints on ball.
as a forward hes kicked some goals 8 in 3 weeks and averaging 1.6 goals a game this yr. for a third yr player hes been passable and a 30 35 goal haul for the yr if he sticks to that average is nothing to be sneezed at and would be a very good return.
my concerns well hes not getting much ball. averages under 10 possesions a game. as the back up ruckman hes not great in the ruck he averages just 7 h/o a game and has little impact at stoppages. thirdly and my most significant concern hes averaging just 3 marks a game of which few would be contested. one other lesser concern is he needs to be much more physical but that will come i hope.
yep for a third yr player hes done okay but bloody hell he has a long way to go.he needs to significantly improve in critical areas for a big bloke. i still dont think hes going to be a good ruckman. i dont think he has the neccesary ticker to play there, harsh maybe, i hope he proves me wrong time will tell.
he can only improve with size and strength hopefully some of my criticisms will be rectified when he does get to ideal playing size. i will reserve judgement on him for two seasons thats how long it will take to get to ideal size and strength and he will have a decent amount of games behind him. for sure and certain atm hes showing some good signs in certain areas. his movement and ball use for a bloke his size is excellent.
personally i would like to see him played as our second permanent kpf and bring in a second ruckman as a ruckman derickx and browne as a combo.
one thing for sure three of vickery riewoldt miller post up forward makes for very good structure, we can add griffiths to those 4 when hes up and about.
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my concerns well hes not getting much ball. averages under 10 possesions a game. as the back up ruckman hes not great in the ruck he averages just 7 h/o a game and has little impact at stoppages. thirdly and my most significant concern hes averaging just 3 marks a game of which few would be contested. one other lesser concern is he needs to be much more physical but that will come i hope.
Frankly I dont care much for those stats. Blind Freddy could see that Vickery is improving and contributing well.
was very good last night. 3 telling goals.
Really happy with how Vicks is progressing. :thumbsup
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Frankly I dont care much for those stats. Blind Freddy could see that Vickery is improving and contributing well.
was very good last night. 3 telling goals.
Really happy with how Vicks is progressing. :thumbsup
2 things stood out to me
1/ His composure - he is not panicing
2/ He is now demading the ball and his team mates are showing belief in him
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Frankly I dont care much for those stats. Blind Freddy could see that Vickery is improving and contributing well.
was very good last night. 3 telling goals.
Really happy with how Vicks is progressing. :thumbsup
2 things stood out to me
1/ His composure - he is not panicing
2/ He is now demading the ball and his team mates are showing belief in him
astute pickups WP.
also, during the third quarter when Jack sharked a ball off the pack and ran in for a goal. There was a bit of hoo-ha goin on after and Vickery was getting right up in Hooker's face and absolutely giving it to him. Hooker was backing away from him like Ryan Lonie from a hard ball! Great to see.
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Hooker was backing away from him like Ryan Lonie from a hard ball! Great to see.
:lol
old school
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Poor old Lonie :( Has hardly played in 5 years and he still cops it ;D
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my concerns well hes not getting much ball. averages under 10 possesions a game. as the back up ruckman hes not great in the ruck he averages just 7 h/o a game and has little impact at stoppages. thirdly and my most significant concern hes averaging just 3 marks a game of which few would be contested. one other lesser concern is he needs to be much more physical but that will come i hope.
Frankly I dont care much for those stats. Blind Freddy could see that Vickery is improving and contributing well.
was very good last night. 3 telling goals.
Really happy with how Vicks is progressing. :thumbsup
why do people get so defensive about our players.
those stats show areas he can and needs to improve in. my eyes also tell me these things.
im not saying vicks is no good or is not improving or not making a contribution, but i am saying he has a long way to go and needs to work on areas of his game. . what is so bad about that.
i suppose by the tone of your reply you think he has nothing to work on.if all of our players had nothing to work on we would be top of the ladder and heading for a premiership instead of scrapping a decent win against an injury riddled side.
im happy for our kids to be getting a few wins and its great for all of us to beat old foes like essendon in front of 80k people but bloody hell we are a bottom 8 side atm with a lot of building work to do.i really hope we dont lose sight of that.ive had enough of false dawns, this rebuild ffs lets go the whole hog not do half a job like we have in the past.
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Frankly I dont care much for those stats. Blind Freddy could see that Vickery is improving and contributing well.
was very good last night. 3 telling goals.
Really happy with how Vicks is progressing. :thumbsup
2 things stood out to me
1/ His composure - he is not panicing
2/ He is now demading the ball and his team mates are showing belief in him
i would agree with those things composure with ball in hand has never really been a problem and a partof his improvement has been getting into good positions but these things do not alter the fact hes averaging under 10 possies a game taking 3 marks a game few of which are contested and having little influence in the ruck. they are most definately areas we want him to improve in. hes just in his 3rd of course we can expect improvment in these areas.
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why do people get so defensive about our players.
Sure your not the one getting defensive, Claw? Just stating my opinion that I'm happy with his progression and that I dont think those stats are as significant as you do.
what is so bad about that?
why do people get so defensive about their posts? ;D
i suppose by the tone of your reply you think he has nothing to work on.
Geez, how on earth did you get that from my post? :help Note that I used the word 'progression,' as in I like the way he is coming along. Not once did I infer that Vickery has no more to work to do. All our players do.
ive had enough of false dawns, this rebuild ffs lets go the whole hog not do half a job like we have in the past.
With you on that one, mate. :gotigers
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Slick WIlly, so god damn slick and big.
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slicker than whale poo in an ice flow
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Slick WIlly, so god damn slick and big.
As my friend says when referring to his disproportionately large hammer; 'thick in the middle boys. Thick in the middle...'
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why do people get so defensive about our players.
Sure your not the one getting defensive, Claw? Just stating my opinion that I'm happy with his progression and that I dont think those stats are as significant as you do.
what is so bad about that?
why do people get so defensive about their posts? ;D
i suppose by the tone of your reply you think he has nothing to work on.
Geez, how on earth did you get that from my post? :help Note that I used the word 'progression,' as in I like the way he is coming along. Not once did I infer that Vickery has no more to work to do. All our players do.
ive had enough of false dawns, this rebuild ffs lets go the whole hog not do half a job like we have in the past.
With you on that one, mate. :gotigers
all fair enough and its all good.
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The getting of wisdom
Michael Gleeson
May 28, 2011
JOHN Vickery would stand at the interchange bench policing the Richmond players. A few times a quarter, son Tyrone would come off. John would have a quiet word, but most of the time was so distracted he had no idea if Ty was doing well or not.
After the game at times, they would sit and talk. "He'd say to me, 'Dad, I jump into [Darren] Jolly and I just bounce straight off him as if I was nothing'. He tried to outleap them and they would put their hand up and just push him away,'' John Vickery said.
''He is starting to get it together, but he copped his whack there for a while because people expected so much from him when he had just come out of school and was 89 kilos playing in the ruck against blokes 110 kilos plus.''
A few things changed in the last six months that altered the course of Vickery's fledgling career. Jack Riewoldt won the Coleman Medal which proved a blessing and a burden for Richmond. Pleased for Jack, the coaches were yet troubled by the problems of a tunnel-visioned forward line.
Then the rules changed. The substitute rule, initially loudly derided, is now attracting backers. Tyrone Vickery is one of them. The rule persuaded Richmond that with an existing need for another forward target, Vickery should become their Leigh Brown.
''The sub rule changed where they saw me fitting and I think I have definitely benefited from that. The role every team needs now is that Leigh Brown role and that is the role I think best fits for me,'' Tyrone said.
But positional change alone does not explain the improvement in Vickery's game. Partly, he has steadily added weight and strength, but he has also shifted his attitude. He has often appeared overly deferential to his more established teammates - or, more to the point, he's looked more worried about getting out of Jack's way than getting the ball. Games can deliver confidence but so, too, do other small moments.
In training over summer, it was notable that coaches would run forward drills with Vickery or Dustin Martin leading from the goal-square or roaming deep, while it was Riewoldt who occupied the territory up the ground. It was about re-training the players about who to look for and not just be drawn to the magnetic Riewoldt.
Crucially then, when the side played Port Adelaide in Alice Springs in the pre-season, there was no Riewoldt in the side and Vickery was the forward target. He kicked five.
''Definitely the Port Adelaide game was [a defining game]. It was the first game forward where I felt like I was able to have an impact. It gives you massive confidence and it increases your teammates' confidence in you as well,'' Vickery said.
''You do second guess yourself a lot early on because Jack is a terrific player and you want to get out of his way so he can get it and do something with it, but now I think the more I can do, the more pressure it takes off Jack.''
It has also taken pressure off himself. Performing well as a forward has helped ease the critical self-assessment of where he was at. He is now looking comfortable and is backing himself to mark. He has hit the pack hard and taken grabs that have given the strongest insight into what he might yet develop into when he matures physically. He booted three goals last week in the Dreamtime win against Essendon and took eight marks the week before against the Dogs. It has helped ease the feeling he was being carried and might now foster a thought that he is doing the carrying.
''You want to be part of the team and contribute and I have felt like I have not pulled my weight in the team in the last few years. I needed to be better and I am looking forward to being able to contribute more,'' he said.
''It was a tough period last year for the club. We didn't win for the first half of the year. We would get close and not win and it was quite tough as a team and to know that I was not performing as well made it harder.
''I am sure the fans and that were a bit frustrated, but they were no more frustrated than I was. The coaches were terrific and the people around the club were always really supportive and encouraging that we were on the right path and that improvement would come.''
Vickery is now doing more work with forward coach Danny Daly - whom he praised highly - and less with ruck coach Brendon Lade, but Lade said he would be a dangerous ruck whether that is as a relief or first ruck as he got older.
In that, there is a synergy, helped by the fact he is also studying law and holds an interest in being more involved with the AFL Players' Association, with the club's chief executive Brendon Gale.
''He is not a forward who does it part-time,'' said Lade.
''He will be a genuine ruckman coming in as second ruck. But he is four or five years from playing his best football. The beauty of him is he does not fumble the ball in the air or below his knees, which for a big guy is a great asset.''
The former Port ruck recognised Vickery had the ruck makings when in a training drill he almost came to blows with Angus Graham.
''Angus throws his elbows around a bit at training and he copped Ty one and Ty just came straight back at him and they nearly came to blows. Ten minutes later they were good mates again, but you don't mind seeing that because it shows he has passion and is not going to take crap from anyone,'' Lade said. Given John Vickery is also the club's boxing coach, it was perhaps wise of Graham not to trade blows.
''Eventually all the good rucks work out that they are big and strong and ugly and they can do some damage to the opposition. He is a smart bloke and he is a good sledger, quite funny.
''Him and Andrew Browne are probably the best mates in the club. They both keep hitching rides from everyone else at the club. They say it is because they are saving the environment but they are just tight-arses. And both of them are smart - they both scored in the 90s for their VCE. They are giving big ruckmen a bad name.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-getting-of-wisdom-20110527-1f8qk.html#ixzz1NZ1qjuMQ
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After the game at times, they would sit and talk. "He'd say to me, 'Dad, I jump into [Darren] Jolly and I just bounce straight off him as if I was nothing'. He tried to outleap them and they would put their hand up and just push him away,'' John Vickery said.
''He is starting to get it together, but he copped his whack there for a while because people expected so much from him when he had just come out of school and was 89 kilos playing in the ruck against blokes 110 kilos plus.''
To me this just sums up where vickery was at, a young man in a immature body competing against seasoned mature bodies, through sheer necessity.
Some of the criticisms labeled against him were probably a little ill conceived.
In most other sides he would not have been thrown to the wolves in such a way.
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Vickery turns 21 today. Happy birthday Ty :birthday
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Vickery turns 21 today. Happy birthday Ty :birthday
I concur Ty :birthday
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Interesting they see Vickery as a primary ruckman. Maybe Graham and Browne are both just seat warmers.
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maybe?
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maybe?
;D
In the coaches eyes I meant.
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TV coming along in leaps and bounds. Another 4 goals tonight to go to 22 for the season and his workrate has improved out of sight. Smart coaching too tonight knowing Brisbane were short down back so Jack got the tallest defender allowing Vickery to have a mismatched against Patfull.
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great move putting him to FF and give JR some freedom as hes been struggling, worked a treat :gotigers
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How good is this bloke starting to look?
Hes as nimble a 200+cm ruckman as I've seen and now he's starting to clunk some big marks
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He's actually ahead of what his development should be. He's exploded this year.
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How good is this bloke starting to look?
Hes as nimble a 200+cm ruckman as I've seen and now he's starting to clunk some big marks
Tyrone looks like 21 year old brad ottens upgraded.
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He plays like kruezer, with the added bonus of not looking like he is a fool
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I think that ALL those on this forum who said this guy wouldn't or couldn't make it should sincerely apologise to him right here on this thread.
You know who you are!
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Why wait for what has transpired and then play him?
Vickery is going to be awesome, I have watched a bit of Coburg and he has been up/down so you guys/gals don't expect too much! Will take time to develop but at least get him a bit of game time at top level while he develops.
Nuff said really ;)
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How good is this bloke starting to look?
Hes as nimble a 200+cm ruckman as I've seen and now he's starting to clunk some big marks
Tyrone looks like 21 year old brad ottens upgraded.
He is nowhere near where Ottens was at 21 - otters stagnated for a years after that AA year. That said, Vickery has really surprised me and his improvement has coincided with his confidence improving which has coincided with his improvement etc etc
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Maybe so.
Tyrone could have kicked 7 yesterday ..
How good is this bloke starting to look?
Hes as nimble a 200+cm ruckman as I've seen and now he's starting to clunk some big marks
Tyrone looks like 21 year old brad ottens upgraded.
He is nowhere near where Ottens was at 21 - otters stagnated for a years after that AA year. That said, Vickery has really surprised me and his improvement has coincided with his confidence improving which has coincided with his improvement etc etc
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Great game Like him playing up forward
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love seeing him dance around players
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Tyrone Vickery is a very big prospect
By Sam Patrick
June 21st 2011
Richmond’s Tyrone Vickery is one player contributing to the emergence of a modern day football trend. At 200cm, Vickery is a natural ruckman, but a lack of physical strength and the Tigers lacking a counterpart for Jack Riewoldt, he has been successfully thrown down forward this season.
The difference between a player like Tyrone Vickery and a traditional ruckman in Geelong’s Mark Blake is that Vickery can run, and is agile enough to play as a key forward.
This is essential in modern football; the game is becoming quicker each year and with the implementation of the substitution rule, AFL clubs are opting to go with a quicker, running side.
This is causing clubs to no longer play with two traditional ruckman, but rather with a big strong ruckman who is assisted by a mobile, versatile backup ruckman. Essendon’s three ruckmen setup is perhaps an exception to that rule.
Gone are the days where coaches throw the resting ruckman down into the forward pocket just so they can take up space.
These players are now becoming crucial pieces to their clubs forward puzzle and are thrown into the ruck every now and then to help out the main ruckman.
Players like Melbourne’s Stefan Martin, West Coast’s Nic Naitanui, Brisbane’s Mitch Clark and Richmond’s Ty Vickery are among those that are contributing to the creation of this trend, with Vickery and Clark being the main examples of taller key forwards and Naitanui being the midfield/tall rover example. All of them are tall, athletic and versatile – key qualities of the modern football’s “big man”.
At the end of the 2010 season, football analysts and Richmond fans were critical of Vickery’s performance. They questioned his attitude, work ethic and ability, ultimately questioning his place within the senior side. On the other hand, questions were also being raised of Richmond’s forward line for the upcoming season. Assistance to Jack Riewoldt was needed. Was Ty Vickery just another high draft pick that would never reach his potential? Was anyone else other than Jack Riewoldt able to kick goals?
The potential answer for these two questions was given by Damien Hardwick in an interview that he did with the Herald Sun during the pre-season. And it was this comment that was the potential answer: “Jack is a terrific player, but we know we can’t afford for him to be kicking 78 goals a year. If we keep that somewhere between 50 and 60 goals, and a Ty Vickery stands up, or another player kicks 20 or 30, we’ll be happy with that.”
The article quoted that Hardwick “hoped that Riewoldt and 200cm Ty Vickery could develop a two-pronged forward line relationship akin to Hawthorn’s Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead.”
Well, Hardwick must be happy. His answer is no longer a potential one but rather a proven solution. Vickery has kicked 22 goals this year and has been a valuable contributor every week.
On the weekend, he kicked a career-best four goals against the Brisbane Lions, had 14 disposals including nine marks and was the Tigers main target up forward.
He has kicked a goal in every match except one in 2011, which isn’t a bad effort for a player who was drafted at pick #8 in the 2008 draft as a ruckman.
He has become the nucleus for a much more diverse and efficient Richmond forward-line alongside the likes of Jake King (19 goals), Dustin Martin (21 goals) and Robin Nahas (12 goals). He is no longer just the borderline backup ruckman to Angus Graham or more recently Andrew Browne.
Instead, he is the key forward that is causing headaches for opposition coaches, due to his height, ability to move swiftly and take strong marks as well his accurate kicking. He is now mentioned in the same sentence as Riewoldt, Cotchin, Martin, Deledio and Newman when it comes to discussing Richmond’s better players.
At only 21 years of age, Vickery has a lot of upside in him. He is a smart footballer and also a smart man who is studying a law degree off the field. His challenge now is to continue to put weight on in order to compete with the bigger backmen of the competition and to also develop a motor that will allow him to perform at a high level for a full game.
This will advance him even further and will compliment his form this year, form that has seen him become one of the most improved players in the competition.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/116791/default.aspx
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From the RFC site...
Tigers forwards coach Danny Daly said the more permanent move of Vickery into attack had been the impetus behind the 21-year-old's form.
"His first couple of years he was a ruckman and a forward, and he never really got settled in one position," Daly said.
"But [coach] Damien [Hardwick] and myself thought in the pre-season that it was a good idea to settle him down as a forward and really learn the art of the forward line.
"We spent a lot of time working on his motion patterns and bag jumping, and also added some muscle and agility. It's really starting to come
to fruition."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/116929/default.aspx
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Already good ...will become scary good in a couple of years.
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Watts and Vickery took a while to blossom, but they're both looking like they could be the best from the draft.
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Watts and Vickery took a while to blossom, but they're both looking like they could be the best from the draft.
Natanui as well?
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Vickery is exactly the type of ruckman we should be targeting.
Quick for his size, great overhead, love his development
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Did Vickery do any centre square work at all today? Didn't even seem to ruck up forward much.
Injured?
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Watts and Vickery took a while to blossom, but they're both looking like they could be the best from the draft.
Natanui as well?
Nah, Natanui just isn't a footballer. Dangerous though because of his athleticism.
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Tyrone Vickery, Richmond, has been charged with a level one engaging in rough conduct offence against Craig Bird, Sydney Swans, during the fourth quarter of the Round 21 match between Richmond and the Sydney Swans, played at the MCG on Sunday August 14, 2011.
In summary, he can accept a reprimand and 93.75 points towards his future record with an early plea.
Based on the video evidence available and a medical report from the Sydney Swans, the incident was assessed as reckless conduct (two points), low impact (one point) and body contact (one point). This is a total of four activation points, resulting in a classification of a level one offence, drawing 125 demerit points and a one-match sanction. He has no existing good or bad record. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to a reprimand and 93.75 points towards his future record.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/121049/default.aspx
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He has no existing good or bad record.
What the?
I would think not having any "record" was actually GOOD ::) :P
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agree WP, that's just queer
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Pretty sure they define having a record as having played for 5 seasons.
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TV has accepted the reprimand
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/121062/default.aspx
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Vickery to play on after close call
Bruce Matthews
From: Herald Sun
August 16, 2011 1:34PM
RICHMOND key forward Tyrone Vickery doesn't believe he needs to modify his playing style after narrowly avoiding suspension.
Vickery will have 93.75 demerit points hanging over him for the next 12 months after escaping with a reprimand from a rough conduct charge.
The tall forward accepted the reprimand for an off-the-ball bump on Sydney's Craig Bird to be available for Sunday's twilight game against Melbourne at the MCG.
"I'll take the reprimand and I'm really happy to still be playing and get out and try and back it up with another win. I wasn't willing to risk that (by challenging)," Vickery said.
"That's the first time I've been cited, so I don't need to change anything, I don't think. Just keep going about it and trying to play my role.
"All the guys know the rules. You're allowed to bump within 5m of the ball and, if not, I suppose you're running at your own peril."
On whether the Tiger forward realised he had committed a reportable offence, he said: "No, I didn't think anything of it. I just kept playing and I was focusing on where the ball was. I didn't notice he (Bird) went down or anything."
Geelong forward Cameron Mooney will miss the last home game against the Swans on Saturday week after accepting a one-game penalty for a front-on bump to Adelaide's Graham Johncock.
Vickery said the Tigers were buoyed by the win against the Swans to try to finish off the season strongly, the next task to turn around a loss to Melbourne in Round 14.
"Obviously, it has been really frustrating riding a rollercoaster, probably losing to teams where we went in favourites. That's the consistency we're trying to develop, to consistently put together a good performance against better sides," he said.
"They're playing for a finals berth, so they're got a lot to play for. And we want to win every game we play for the rest of the year.
"It sets yourself up for a good pre-season and also trying to find the right balance and who's going to take the club forward.
"I think our ball movement hurt us last time, particularly from the back 50. It broke down a lot and we turned the ball over. We need to get the right options and just take bit more care with our skills."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/vickery-to-play-on-after-close-call/story-e6frf9io-1226116009779
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TV says he prefers to play up forward.....
Vickery realising potential
By Adam McNicol
Wed 17 Aug, 2011
TY VICKERY was very much a work in progress during his first two seasons.
This year, however, Vickery has emerged as a key pillar in the Tigers' developing forward line.
Vickery currently has 31 goals to his name, which puts him second at Tigerland behind Riewoldt, who has kicked 56.
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"I do enjoy going into the ruck and spending time there as it’s a good break from having a defender sitting on you all day," he said.
"But I think I'm developing into a key forward and that's where I'd like to stay."
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/121209/default.aspx
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TV up to 35 goals for the year as our 2nd banana up forward. It certainly has been a breakout year and, along with Rance, he is probably vying for our most improved player this season.
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Been a huge improver this year. Good kick for goal and competitive in the ruck and general play.
Just need Griff to get some games and consistency and our forward line will be all the better.
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Bloody hell we gonna have a crowded forward line if Griffs shapes up lol
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Some of Vickery's best work from yesterday's win :thumbsup
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/384377/default.aspx
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Had a good season. Much improved. Well done to him
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I reckon it was his best game so far.
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Ty going great.Loves the physicality of the dustups too,which i love
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Hey OX, how come when a player is playing poorly you attack the club and coach about recruiting or development. Yet when one of our players is developing well (Vickery or Rance) or we get a good player for nothing like Houli you just praise the player?
bit of balance needed maybe?
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I'm back Willy. You are still slick I see.
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I'm back Willy. You are still slick I see.
Good to hear, pal.
And the slickness is due to the baby oil that i lather on my crotch every morning. :thumbsup
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That avatar is vintage slick Willy. I do miss your one from Beige though (willy's bedtime stories or some poo, with that freaky monkey dude). There's no need to post smut and filth mate.
Vickers is coming along well. Thought he was a bit of a fairy at times early on in his career but he's looking poo hot now. Go you good thing
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In the under 18s Vickery was a tough player, he came into AFL and he wasnt big enough or confident enough to compete, now he is older, the old traits are starting to emerge. He has all the tools to be a great player IMHO. :cheers
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Hey OX, how come when a player is playing poorly you attack the club and coach about recruiting or development. Yet when one of our players is developing well (Vickery or Rance) or we get a good player for nothing like Houli you just praise the player?
bit of balance needed maybe?
Because they deserve it and the majority of the side is poo.
My grinds r with BRrowne,Foley,Farmer, and crap like that.
It will continue
I cant help it if ure blind
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Mods with the swear filter can we have an alternative word to 'poo'?
Faeces or excrement would capture the moment so much better... :pray
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LOL how about just plain old poo? It's not a swear word ;D
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I does not approve :(
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Should have had 6-7 goals
As it was he laid a massive cable on the bloke crowies like to call SMACK
LMFAO that bloke got smacked up side the head
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Hey OX, how come when a player is playing poorly you attack the club and coach about recruiting or development. Yet when one of our players is developing well (Vickery or Rance) or we get a good player for nothing like Houli you just praise the player?
bit of balance needed maybe?
Because they deserve it and the majority of the side is poo.
My grinds r with BRrowne,Foley,Farmer, and crap like that.
It will continue
I cant help it if ure blind
i actually enjoy your posts. As much as one can enjoy the ramblings of a wacko. :lol
U certainly say what you think, and I can dig that.
Not saying the club havent stuffed up either, just think you could give them some credit for the things they get right sometimes.
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Mods with the swear filter can we have an alternative word to 'poo'?
Faeces or excrement would capture the moment so much better... :pray
Just use stool, skat, nard, steamer, turd, loaf, night soil, they kinda just as good.
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ooh I forgot borry
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Back to topic people :police: enough of the Crap ;D
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nicely played sir
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Vickery stands tall
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Sat 31 Dec, 2011
The following article was featured in the 2011 Fighting Tiger Yearbook.
Ty Vickery’s short AFL career so far, has been about sink or swim moments.
Shortly after arriving at Richmond at the end of 2008, the teenage draftee was thrown into the ruck - a position usually reserved for seasoned, battle-hardened big men.
It was a challenge he relished, and one which he knew would fast-track his development.
Two years on, Vickery was thrown into the deep end again - this time as an almost-permanent tall forward option alongside Jack Riewoldt.
Again, he embraced the challenge, and the result was a breakout season. He played every game, kicked 36 goals, averaged four marks per match and had the look of a genuine match-winner.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/127593/default.aspx
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5th in the B&F
Can anyone remember who was bagging " the Big Vic" a bit over 12 months -? - :lol
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Yeh lol it was the same expert posters that called Jack as being lazy and wanted to trade him to Ainters.
The big guy is a unit with an angry attitude and the ability to match.
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Yeah well I have always backed this guy in, I wanted us to select him in the draft and we did, could really play a masive part of our future in years to come.
Saw a lot of early footage of him pre-selection cleaning up the big Natanui during numerous contests, would love to see him do that next year!!!!!!
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I will put my hand up and say after round 4 I think it was I said he needed to be dropped because he wasn't working hard enough
Happy to say after my bake he turned it around :rollin
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Gonna miss Rex Hunt on Triple M and his "Vickory dickory dock!" call :(
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Dwaino i will miss rex hunts calls fullstop :( Luv his work :thumbsup
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Standing tall
Matt Murnane
February 25, 2012
TY VICKERY says he and forward partner Jack Riewoldt want to be to Richmond what Travis Cloke and Chris Dawes are to Collingwood.
That comes as no surprise. It's something tall forward duos at most clubs aspire to.
But what might lift the eyebrows of those outside Tigerland — perhaps even Richmond supporters — is that, at least statistically, Vickery and Riewoldt are already the equal of Cloke and Dawes.
It went unnoticed as the Collingwood tag team and Geelong's James Podsiadly and Tom Hawkins led their respective teams to the grand final, but Vickery and Riewoldt were actually the most productive tall-forward pairing in the AFL last year.
In terms of total output, the Tigers' one-two punch kicked the most goals (98) and latched onto the most marks inside forward 50 (107) of any tall forward combination during the home-and-away season, not including finals.
That Vickery and Riewoldt played more combined games than the likes of Cloke and Dawes (85 goals, 101 marks), West Coast's Josh Kennedy and Quinten Lynch (76, 88) or Podsiadly and Hawkins (66, 93), certainly helped elevate their standing, but the raw numbers remain significant.
Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead at Hawthorn are the other pair Vickery and Riewoldt measure themselves against.
“For Hawthorn to have two great key-position players and them not run into each other is really eye-opening to watch. For me and Jack, there is a few things to learn watching those two guys go about their work,” Vickery said.
Injury restricted Roughead to just 11 games and 16 goals last season, yet Franklin's Coleman Medal-winning haul of 71 goals in the normal season was still enough to place the Hawks pair second behind Vickery and Riewoldt in terms of total goals, a combined 87.
But even if you go back to 2010, when both Franklin and Roughead were up and running, the 98 goals the Tigers pair scored this year stacks up pretty well against the 111 goals the Hawks duo slotted the year before.
But enough about last year. That Vickery is starting to fulfil the potential expected of a No.?8 draft pick was established when he finished fifth in the Tigers' best and fairest.
So, just how excited should Tigers supporters be about what the 21-year-old can do with Riewoldt this season? Start with the bad news first.
Vickery suffered a few setbacks to his pre-season training before Christmas after post-season surgery on an ankle.
“It took a little bit more time to heal than what we thought it would and then I was running a bit funny because I had to compensate for the ankle,” he said. “And that led to my hips getting a bit sore.”
But that's where the setbacks stop.
“All that is behind me now, we got on top of it and identified it pretty early,” he said.
“Ever since Christmas, it's all been very smooth and I've had a pretty good month leading into the NAB Cup.”
Vickery played every game during a break-out season in 2011 and says he has learnt from players such as Riewoldt about how to manage his body and ensure he gets up every week — an under-estimated feat for tall forwards who take punishment from two, sometimes three, defenders.
Should the ankle injury flare again — or anything else — Vickery will follow Riewoldt's example from last year about how to play hurt.
The Tigers' full-forward required four post-season surgeries — on both hips, a finger and an ankle — following a season where he finished second in the Coleman Medal with 62 goals.
“If it wasn't for me reading it in the newspaper, I probably wouldn't have realised how serious it was because he never carried on,” Vickery said of his teammate. “He just did what he had to do to prepare himself and then to play the way he did was amazing.”
Playing with the explosive Riewoldt has been a learning curve in many ways for Vickery, who admitted he was intimidated by his teammate's lively presence when the two first became a regular partnership last season.
“It took a while to start. It was tough to play with someone who draws the ball so much,” he said. “You try to get out of the way because you are so intimidated almost by him.”
But after a full season of getting used to each other, the two have developed a chemistry.
With veteran Brad Miller providing the grunt work and small forwards like Jake King and Robin Nahas the flair, Vickery said the Tigers had a forward mix worthy of the supply it will receive from the best midfield Richmond has assembled in a long time — Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Nathan Foley and others.
Vickery will slide into the midfield if required this year, but he is not the answer to the ruck problems the club struggled to overcome last year.
He is a genuine forward-50 target who can read the play, take marks and kick goals.
Coach Damien Hardwick sat Vickery down at the end of 2010 — his second season spent as a lightweight ruckman battling fully grown heavyweights — and told the 200-centimetre athlete he would spend the 2011 season learning how to become a key forward.
“That gave me a lot of confidence knowing I wasn't going to go there for two weeks and, if I didn't get a kick, then get moved back into the ruck,” he said.
“I knew I had time to settle in and learn the role. The coaches stuck by their word and kept me there through thick and thin and that's where you make the improvements.”
Vickery booted 36 goals last season and finished second at the Tigers for contested marks. He lifted his output in nearly every statistical category, including disposals, marks, score assists, contested possessions and inside 50s. More importantly, 38 per cent of his disposals came inside the forward 50, compared to 14 per cent the year before. When Vickery runs out this season, he will be a player Tigers fans expect to perform — rather than hope he will — and that is a pressure the level-headed big man believes he can handle.
“I think there is a lot of improvement this year. I was pleased with my season last year just because there was so much of the unknown going into it,” said Vickery, who is pursuing a law degree outside football.
“I didn't know how well I was going, learning how to play forward or whether I would play much seniors. But with that year under my belt, I'm expecting a better return this season.”
Having shown he has the skills to be effective close to goal, this pre-season has been about consolidation and fine-tuning the education process.
And about bulking up. Vickery has worked hard in the gym, and eaten plenty away from it to weigh in at 96 kilograms this pre-season. But he still needs to get bigger.
“It's hard to tell standing next to opponents what I need to get to because I'm so much taller. But you do notice it in some contests against the bigger centre half-backs,” said Vickery, whose dad John is the strength and conditioning coach at Punt Road.
“I probably need to put on another two or three kilos, then I'd be happy.”
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/standing-tall-20120224-1ttxz.html#ixzz1nJp0j3Ry
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Vickery > Dawes.
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:lol
Vickery is already miles ahead of Dawes!
Dawes is a donkey.
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Would be interested to see how Dawes went playing in a poo team. Reckon he'd struggle
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i think dawes is a fair to good footballer in an excellent team.However i think Tyrone has the potential to be a match winner,something i dont think dawes is capable of.
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Here is Dawes' draft photo
(http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/Neanderthal-Man.jpg)
Collingwood scouted him about 1400 generations ago from a family that lived in a cave just outside of modern day Siegburg.
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Here is Dawes' draft photo
(http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/Neanderthal-Man.jpg)
Collingwood scouted him about 1400 generations ago from a family that lived in a cave just outside of modern day Siegburg.
I've been sick as a dog today but thats some funny poo :clapping :lol
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Dawes has not been a difference for Collingwood in terms of winning and losing in his career as yet.
Tyrone to this stage of his career has stood up and been the difference for us in the end case in point the Adelaide game at AAMI late last year.
Dawes is just a big body who found himself in the senior side at COllingwood at the right time in 2010 when everything clicked and they won a flag.
Daws = David Mensch. Average player who grafted a longish career without being a match winner spectacular, brilliant, highly skilled or anything other than just an average ordinary footballer.
When the Pies start struggling on field he will be one of the first their fans will turn on and premiership medallions and cult statuses will be quickly forgotten.
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Daino you funny beggar! :lol
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Would be interested to see how Dawes went playing in a poo team. Reckon he'd struggle
Would fit in with a poo team. :lol
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Ty aims high
afl.com.au
Mon 27 Feb, 2012
Ty Vickery enters the 2012 season in a vastly different frame of mind to this time last year.
Back then, Vickery, Richmond’s first pick (No. 8 overall) in the 2008 National Draft, was still feeling his way at the game’s highest level and hadn’t cemented himself as a regular member of the Tigers’ team.
He’d kicked five goals in nine games in his 2009 debut season, averaging just over two marks per match. Then, in 2010, he scored three goals in 14 senior appearances and averaged just under two marks per game.
Last year, however, Vickery enjoyed a breakout season of AFL football. He spent most of the season up forward for the Tigers, where he proved a major handful for opposition defences with his height, marking ability and all-round footy ‘smarts’.
The talented Tiger ‘tall’ was ranked No. 5 at the Club for total marks (95), No. 2 for contested marks (29), No. 2 for goals (36), and he capped off a fine season’s work by finishing fifth in the Jack Dyer Medal.
With his self-belief levels rising rapidly, Vickery appears well-placed to deal with the added expectations placed on him in 2012 . . .
“I think there is a lot of improvement this year. I was pleased with my season last year just because there was so much of the unknown going into it,” Vickery told ‘The Age’.
“I didn’t know how well I was going, learning how to play forward, or whether I would play much seniors. But with that year under my belt, I’m expecting a better return this season.”
Vickery is keen to put some more kilos on to his 200cm, 96kg frame, to further enhance his prospects in Richmond’s attack.
“It’s hard to tell standing next to opponents what I need to get to because I’m so much taller. But you do notice it in some contests against the bigger centre half-backs,” he said.
“I probably need to put on another two or three kilos, then I’d be happy.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/129625/default.aspx
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Yep big year for Vicks coming up, really could be a difference between our success and failure...to some extent. Vicks firing with Jack and Miller (if elevated), Maric, King, Nahas and the centres, Cotch, Martin, Foley and Deledio kicking goals...... 8)
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Frank copped some criticism for taking him at pick 8 but Tyrone's knockers have all shut up shop now.
So glad he is ours. :)
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Frank copped some criticism for taking him at pick 8 but Tyrone's knockers have all shut up shop now.
So glad he is ours. :)
Yep, wanted this kid when I saw the snippets of how he performed against Nic Nat, I still think he is going to be very very good in a couple of years.
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yep here you nuffs go putting players up on pedestals sheesh wonders never cease to amaze same mistakes time and time again sheesh i like balls for tea
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whoa :shh just had a claw moment partners
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idiot ::)
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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yep here you nuffs go putting players up on pedestals sheesh wonders never cease to amaze same mistakes time and time again sheesh i like balls for tea
hhgggghhhhhh sheesh bad motor. no skillset. hasn't proved anything yet i would like to see him improve his kicking and play his natural position in the back pocket geez.
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God give me a break, he had a very good year last year, better than some...... :whistle
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This is not a good look, WAT.
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This is not a good look, WAT.
What do you men "this is not a good look".......
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This is not a good look, WAT.
What do you men "this is not a good look".......
You know exactly what he is talking about......... :shh :shh
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don't play dumb guy. K guy you got it guy? we all know that you know what we know.
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:huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh
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don't play dumb guy. K guy you got it guy? we all know that you know what we know.
WAT he said....... ;) ;)
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..remind me what we are talking bout again
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:huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh
;D
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You should know that this is not a good look.
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You should know that this is not a good look.
:huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh
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You should know that this is not a good look.
:huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh
You know exactly what he is talking about......... :shh :shh
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You should know that this is not a good look.
:huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :huh
You know exactly what he is talking about......... :shh :shh
Are you cutting and pasting some of my best work? >:( >:(
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Back to the topic ppl!
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:lol
sicko
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Back to the topic ppl!
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Back to the topic ppl!
Good Call!
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this is why i'm an advocate for a 40 week season :lol
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Back to the topic ppl!
Good Call!
FFS don't encourage him.
:lol
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FFS, show me where moron :banghead
Ty set for a big year. Will get the praise he deserves ;D
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FFS :banghead
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Next up is Vickery. Ty is entering his fourth year of AFL with 45 games under his belt after a breakout season last year playing all 22 games and kicking 36 goals.
What are your expectations for Vickery in 2012 and what would be a good season for him?
Career so far:
Games Kicks Hballs Disp. Marks Hitouts Tackles G.B 1st poss. Clear. In50 CP UP 1%ers
2009 9 2.4 6.3 8.7 2.4 8.8 1.9 5.1
2010 14 2.6 5.5 8.1 1.8 8.7 2.1 3.3 2.3 1.4 1.1 3.6
2011 22 6.1 5.3 11.5 4.3 7.1 1.8 36.19 1.4 0.9 1.4 6.2 6.3 3.0
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1941&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2009008
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40-45 goals.
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40-45 goals.
This
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Outside of what wayne & Dooks have said re the goals
I'd also like him to use his size a bit more that is to intimidate opponents. He's a big bloke and needs to get agressive
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70 goals :pray
Nah...beat his man each week, use his aggression and end up with more goals than last year forming a formidable 1-2 punch with Riewoldt.
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I also have very high expectations of ty for this year,however i reckon his pre season form has been ordinary..
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Vickery is a jet. We're lucky to have him.
40 goals and extended time in the ruck.
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50 goals and some ruck work to boot ala Ottens type 2001.
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40-50 goals and back up ruckman.
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still looks like a lazy waddler at times, needs to keep his intensity up and kick straight
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still looks like a lazy waddler at times, needs to keep his intensity up and kick straight
Now, now this is a thread for positive talk about Vickery only thanks. :lol
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Will be the best forward 2nd ruck in the league in a couple of years and the Tiges will be the enveyof every other team because of him but this year....40+ goals and more hitouts around the ground. Size will come but at the moment he needs to use his strength and agility to advantage more!
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I think because most including mwah were very skeptical of Ty at the beginning of last year we have overrated his performance a tad.
Not to get me wrong 36 odd goals is a good effort, but on his stats he is only finding the ball on average under 3 times a quarter. Would like to see him raise this to around 4 which should see most of what is already mentioned come close to fruition.
Definitely still seems lazy at times and we will see if any of the accolades have gone to his head and if the work ethic is still there, otherwise he could stagnate or even drop back.
Could be a real performance indicator for the team as he can take the heat of the other forwards and provide opportunity for the smaller brigade if he progresses as he did last year.
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Where do you rate big Ty in the team? I have him in our top 8
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Got to lift and go to another level again. I really rate his ruck and clearance work, Ive noticed when he rucks for 5-10 mins we win more clearances. If he kicks 35-40ish goals again and gives and spends a bit more time in the ruck I'll be happy. 70/30 fwd/ruck would be good
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Where do you rate big Ty in the team? I have him in our top 8
About 5th.
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I really rate his ruck and clearance work, Ive noticed when he rucks for 5-10 mins we win more clearances.
me too actually. He's very competent in the ruck. Will get even better with more size.
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Outside of what wayne & Dooks have said re the goals
I'd also like him to use his size a bit more that is to intimidate opponents. He's a big bloke and needs to get agressive
Essendon game at the G last year when he made Ryder his bitch on the boundary.
Good stuff!
He has the mongrel in him.
Just needs to bring it every week.
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Did a great job that night
unfortunately it fired up Ryder who came to life and so did the bombres in the second half :banghead
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Did a great job that night
unfortunately it fired up Ryder who came to life and so did the bombres in the second half :banghead
After Jako missed a set shot from 35 to put us 5 goals up 20 minutes into the third. :-\
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so u think it was a bad thing?
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big TV is of massive importance to the side this year & my expectations are that he at least matches last years output but hopefully goes to the next level again...such a crucial role for us as another avenue to goal and his ruckwork improved immensely...starting to come to that age where he is maturing in his body (he started off like a baby giraffe) and so hopefully another preseason will allow him to progress again
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so u think it was a bad thing?
Jako missing or Ryder firing up?
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Not a great start
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Tyrone was very poor thursday night...too many times he was an onlooker rather than a participant..And i lost count how many times he and jack got in each others way..at least with miller you know pretty much exactly what you get...an honest toiler....one other point ,some here have questioned the merits of hurley.from what i see hes a gun..competes and is hungry ..couldnt ask for much more
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Expectations?
To be able to out mark an opponent 11cm shorter than him on a regular basis. In fact, on Thursday night I was wondering if before every quarter he washed his hands and forgot to rinse off the soap!
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lift son lift :thumbsup
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My expectations of Vickey are to get at least 8-10 Kicks in a game of footy, every week.
If he can achieve that, he would at least kick 2-4 goals a week, then we can win a game or two.
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My expectations of Vickey are to get at least 8-10 Kicks in a game of footy, every week.
If he can achieve that, he would at least kick 2-4 goals a week, then we can win a game or two.
Jstar, i would add 5-6 marks and 8-10 hit outs. He does that, he impacts the game - ty needs to be more about impact than intent.
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I heard after the game on Thursday night that our talls dropped 17 marks which is a ridiculous amount. Ty obviously the main offender especially that dolly one in the 3rd quarter when we coming but he wasn't on his own. It was systematic of our whole play for most of the night which was lazy. Balls coming into the forward line were often aimless high long bombs and our forwards were slow to react and often playing from behind. As someone else mentioned our forwards got in the way of each other and all went up for the same ball leaving no one down. What was worse was it allowed Carlton to play the game on their terms in their defence which allowed them to put say Thorton as a permanent forward which he prefers after half-time and allowed Yarran to feel comfortable in pushing up forward and kicking two goals.
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We don't need him to stagnate or go back this season.
Needs a form reversal and have an impact on Saturday night.
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TV hurt his left shoulder in the first round of the NAB Cup, but against the Blooze it looked like he was sick as well. Just never looked like getting a kick.
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as the game progressed i also got sick..from watching him
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He's right off. Different player to '11 atm.
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Im not dirty on him for last week and will cut him some slack, was robbed of a certain goal, so 2 goals on a dirty night is ok. Got there, just had one of those days with cement hands and nothing stuck, will get better
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Im not dirty on him for last week and will cut him some slack, was robbed of a certain goal, so 2 goals on a dirty night is ok. Got there, just had one of those days with cement hands and nothing stuck, will get better
Its important to remember he doesnt have a stinker week in and week out, last week is last week
Agree with montana on cutting him some slack, im sure hell come out firing this week
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Robbo has moved from Jacko last week onto getting stuck into Ty today...
9 THINGS I DON'T LIKE
8. Tyrone Vickery
What's happened to Tyrone? He finished fifth in the Tigers' best-and-fairest last year, and is playing like he finished 35th. In three games, he has recorded nine kicks, four marks, six handballs and kicked two goals. He's running to the wrong spots, he's dropping marks, and surely has his low confidence. Coach Damien Hardwick might need to give him a go in the VFL to ease his stress.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/happy-handballers-at-north-melbourne/story-fn5937w8-1226327290972
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Ty and jack look as potent as a wet lettuce leaf at the moment
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Not sure what's happened to vickery whether it's a matter of a changed game plan he is still getting his head around, loss of conditioning or most likely lack of confidence. If it is a confidence issue then I'm not certain whether getting dropped would help him regain that or strip him of it further :-\ I think, if Dimma is true to his word on players earning their spot this year, then Vickery should be dropped and someone such as Derickx brought in to replace him. The only problem with this though is whether Derickx (or Elton I guess) have earned his place :huh
Hopefully Vickery can find his form fast! :pray
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Ty and jack look as potent as a wet lettuce leaf at the moment
Jack hasn't been that bad at all, can't say the same for Ty.
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Caro on 3aw earlier tonight said no doubt Vickery is down on confidence but she would give Ty one last chance down at sleepy hollow away from the spotlight of the MCG and with the Geelong defence missing Scarlett and perhaps Mackie.
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Disclaimer: I agree that Vickery doesn't really deserve a game at the moment.
Serious question. Who can we replace him with? The X-man still looks a little unco at VFL and not really having the major impact a 23/24 year old big AFL listed player should (couldn't be any worse than Vickery though :rollin), and Elton might be able to handle a bit of an AFL game in the forward line, but surely not ready to provide some back up ruck hitting?
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Showed a lot last year, and we need that much from him as a minimum this year.
If he does fail to produce last years work as a minimum then well be in trouble, that's half the problem in that we rely on our top 5 or 6 players too much.
They alone won't carry us through to september
On a seperate note, for the last week or so I've been thinking vickery could be that chb we need, now I know most would disagree but I've been thinking outside the box. He is tall, agile, can take a good grab( exclude last 3 weeks) can play ruck and rest foward if needed. Problem is would take time to get used to the role if at all. Your thoughts?
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The backs are the hardest runners and at the moment CHB is the most taxing key position to play due to the fitness requirement. So not really an ideal spot for a resting ruck.
But we definitely rely on the top handful too much, and he's meant to be in it. Hopefully our recruits develop well and we pick up a few more gems in the immediate future.
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Nup. He's not dour enough to be a defender. He is the perfect forward/ruck, he's just out of form. Watching the replay, he actually competed well in the ruck against the dees. However, he didnt do nearly enough around the ground.
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I hope he finds form soon, we can't afford he and jack to be lacking on input.
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His ruckwork has been not too bad.
Vickery is still very young for a guy of his size. Elton or detickx or griffiths coukd replace him. But graham in the fwd/ruck role wouldnt end well.
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Doc Larkins said TV has a subluxation of the shoulder which was strapped up so he could play out the game. Larkins reckons it hampered Ty for the rest of the game and he will need to be monitored through the upcoming week.
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Subluxation? Isn't that just another name for a partial dislocation? Ligaments stuffed but not bad enough to allow a full dislocation?
Both shoulders now for TV, I think
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Vickery oh dont get me started on this thread. Selectors need to be sacked at that club seriously :banghead
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Living in his Dads shadow.
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what shadow does his dad cast?
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what shadow does his dad cast?
It varies on the time of day...
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:lol
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His Dad is the boxing coach and stands on the interchange bench
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His Dad is the boxing coach and stands on the interchange bench
Does he wear gloves as he poses on the bench, casting a fearsome shadow?
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living in in has dad's shadows because his dad is boxing coach and stands on the bench?
:lol
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Living in his Dads shadow.
God you talk a lot of poo. Care to elaborate on this?
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I reckon Ty's dad beat the crap out of Jackstar when he was at the RFC, either that or he caleed him out and jackstar went running with his tail between his legs
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I reckon Ty's dad beat the crap out of Jackstar when he was at the RFC, either that or he caleed him out and jackstar went running with his tail between his legs
Nah, Ray Hall knocked the crap out of him ;) :lol
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Living in his Dads shadow.
God you talk a lot of poo. Care to elaborate on this?
well how on earth does he get a game :banghead
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Not sure what is going on with Vicks, real let down at the moment, thought he would really produce for our club when we picked him up........just not happening at the moment.
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I reckon Ty's dad beat the crap out of Jackstar when he was at the RFC, either that or he caleed him out and jackstar went running with his tail between his legs
Nah, Ray Hall knocked the crap out of him ;) :lol
Ray was the best boxer at the club wasn't he ;D
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Ray Hall easily best boxer.and even better.a great bloke to have at any footy club
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Needs a rest
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Needs a rest
So do the supporters
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Not sure what is going on with Vicks, real let down at the moment, thought he would really produce for our club when we picked him up........just not happening at the moment.
obviously down on confidence at the moment. Probably because Miller isn't the great forward line leader that some would have you think. And Jack is playing lazy, selfish or injured.
Miller needs to do some of the things he did last year like blocking. He's a complete hack and isn't a leader in my opinion. Because if he is whatever he's doing ain't working.
Vickery probably needs to go back to coburg to gain some confidence.
Hopefully the match commitee will bring Griff in as a replacement.
Or maybe drop Miller and let the young boys try and turn it around.
They've got to try something different because it's not working at the minute.
P.S Miller is a hack Melbourne reject.
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Needs a rest
So do the supporters
from all the crap losses and all that honorable loss garbage. I prefer dishonorable wins. Infact any wins will do. Vickery, Newmans, Riewoldt, Jackson should be playing for the coburg 2s.
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Dead set. Vickery in this form is no worse than miller.
If you think otherwise your having a laugh
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Then why has Miller kicked 4 times as many goals as Vickery has?
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Then why has Miller kicked 4 times as many goals as Vickery has?
Totally agree
At least Miller attacks the ball.
Vickery :nope :nope :nope
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Then why has Miller kicked 4 times as many goals as Vickery has?
Check mate.
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Cause vickery is also a ruck.
Miller is worse than average
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Cause vickery is also a ruck.
Miller is worse than average
Vickery after 4 weeks hasnt been able to get near the ball.
You should start going to games and having a good look.
Miller gets another week, Vickery GONE !
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Cause vickery is also a ruck.
Miller is worse than average
that argument would only be valid if vickery spent 3/4 of his game time in the ruck
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LOL = if i am not mistaken we will be playing a side with the three most mobile rucks in the league - maybe not the right time to drop a mobile ruckman - let Ty tag Natunui
Derrix or Griff played well in the 2's and we are playing on the smaller Ethiad - a chance
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Then why has Miller kicked 4 times as many goals as Vickery has?
Um, because he's played 6 times as many games?
I hope your tongue is in your cheek there. Vickery averages a goal per game, something Miller can only dream of.
Having said that if Vickery continues this form, he'll end up with the same crappy games/goals ratio that Miller has. I'm quite concerned for the big fella, it's gonna be even harder for him to snap out of this poor form with a bung shoulder
And, despite Vickery's awful form, if it comes down to it he gets a game in front of Miller, not just because he can ruck, but also in the grander scheme is a much bigger investment being a first round. Miller will never ever be a guy that can take a game by the scruff and win it for you, whereas Vickery might be that guy.
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Then why has Miller kicked 4 times as many goals as Vickery has?
Check mate.
Give us millers goal stats from his melbourne carrer.
My king.
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Then why has Miller kicked 4 times as many goals as Vickery has?
Um, because he's played 6 times as many games?
I hope your tongue is in your cheek there. Vickery averages a goal per game, something Miller can only dream of.
Having said that if Vickery continues this form, he'll end up with the same crappy games/goals ratio that Miller has. I'm quite concerned for the big fella, it's gonna be even harder for him to snap out of this poor form with a bung shoulder
And, despite Vickery's awful form, if it comes down to it he gets a game in front of Miller, not just because he can ruck, but also in the grander scheme is a much bigger investment being a first round. Miller will never ever be a guy that can take a game by the scruff and win it for you, whereas Vickery might be that guy.
I agree 100%.
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Then why has Miller kicked 4 times as many goals as Vickery has?
Check mate.
Give us millers goal stats from his melbourne carrer.
My king.
Miller played alot at CHB for the Dees
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Then why has Miller kicked 4 times as many goals as Vickery has?
Um, because he's played 6 times as many games?
I hope your tongue is in your cheek there. Vickery averages a goal per game, something Miller can only dream of.
Having said that if Vickery continues this form, he'll end up with the same crappy games/goals ratio that Miller has. I'm quite concerned for the big fella, it's gonna be even harder for him to snap out of this poor form with a bung shoulder
And, despite Vickery's awful form, if it comes down to it he gets a game in front of Miller, not just because he can ruck, but also in the grander scheme is a much bigger investment being a first round. Miller will never ever be a guy that can take a game by the scruff and win it for you, whereas Vickery might be that guy.
I am talking about this season you stuffing genius. Career stats mean nothing. We're talking about now.
So you think Miller has played close to 300 games?
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And, despite Vickery's awful form, if it comes down to it he gets a game in front of Miller, not just because he can ruck, but also in the grander scheme is a much bigger investment being a first round. Miller will never ever be a guy that can take a game by the scruff and win it for you, whereas Vickery might be that guy.
So we need to continue gifting games to players when they are not deserved then :-\ ;D
Didn't think we gifted games anymore
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What's interesting is that we have used the least amount of players so far .25
How on earth can Vickery even be considered this week is beyond belief
That's why the RFC are where they are
Vickery has played 4 games for nothing
Even on pre season form he got a game in Round 1 on last year
RFC need to get tough
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I suppose in a way it comes down to this....
Do you want to win? If you do then you play the players who given and shown something in the first 4 games. If the result isn't that important then you keep giving games to blokes based on "potential" and hope they come good.
My personal view is pretty simple! Ty Vickery is horribly out of form, is playing with no confidence and as a result is unfortunately almost non-competitive. This is not good for the RFC or for Ty Vickery to be honest.
Reiwoldt is also horribly out of form but at least he is at times getting his hands on the ball. Miller wasn't great on Sunday but from where i was sitting he was the best of the 3 tall forwards.
IMV it is in Ty's best interests to go back to Coburg and just play some footy, get his hands on the ball, take some grabs, get some run in his legs and some confidence back...
Just my take :thumbsup
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is it true that TV had eye surgery over the pre season ands is still adjusting ..... heard KB mention it on radio not sure if he s fos or not
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Got this from the RFC site:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/133865/default.aspx
Talented Tiger ‘tall’, Ty Vickery, is scheduled to play his 50th league game next Sunday when Richmond takes on top-of-the-ladder West Coast at Etihad Stadium.
The 21-year-old, who was the Tigers’ first pick (No. 8 overall) in the 2008 AFL National Draft, has kicked 47 goals in his 49 games to date.
He had a breakout season in 2011, kicking 36 goals and finishing fifth in the Club’s Best and Fairest.
I guess he wont be dropped leading to the West Coast game after all, maybe we should give Miller a 1 week rest then
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No Tall forwards had any real impact on the weekend. This is the last chance for Ty.
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It's been his last chance since round 2 :lol
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:whistle
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It's been his last chance since round 2 :lol
Considering his pre season form which wasn't flash
Couldn't possibly play this week.although this is the RFC
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It's been his last chance since round 2 :lol
But that was the last chance before his last chance. A practice try at having a last chance. :shh
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VIDEO: If selected Ty Vickery will play his 50th game, we take a look at his career so far ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/444058/default.aspx
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Well it's now official - Vickery will play his 50th on Sunday.
Hopefully the personal milestone can spark him up :pray.
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Good on you Vicks, well lets just hope you can look back in 1o years and say how much you enjoyed kicking 10 goals in your 5oth.......no pressure... ;D
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Will blow the roof off :shh
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Good on you Vicks, well lets just hope you can look back in 1o years and say how much you enjoyed kicking 10 goals in your 5oth.......no pressure... ;D
he cant kick 10 kicks in 5 games let alone goals
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Good on you Vicks, well lets just hope you can look back in 1o years and say how much you enjoyed kicking 10 goals in your 5oth.......no pressure... ;D
he cant kick 10 kicks in 5 games let alone goals
Yeah I know, just trying to remain optimistic.
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so much for Dimma having players earn there games and not gifted
How on earth does Vickery gets a game is beyond belief
No wonder we are the worst performing Melb based club in the past 20 years
Absolute joke :banghead
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I rate him long term, just needs a spell atm horribly out of form, very lucky to be playing his 50th this week. Also, if his shoulder is not 100% then the club is being downright stupid playing him
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club hasnt got much idea at times and gets alot of things WRONG
here is one of them
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I rate him long term, just needs a spell atm horribly out of form, very lucky to be playing his 50th this week. Also, if his shoulder is not 100% then the club is being downright stupid playing him
Totally agree on all fronts TM.
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club hasnt got much idea at times and gets alot of things WRONG
here is one of them
yes I agree, the club still has a mediocre loser mentality highlighted by the drafting of Miller and keeping mediocre second rate players on the list far too long.
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club hasnt got much idea at times and gets alot of things WRONG
here is one of them
yes I agree, the club still has a mediocre loser mentality highlighted by the drafting of Miller and keeping mediocre second rate players on the list far too long.
Yep i agree.
The playing of Miller highlights the poor recruting of players on our list if he is getting a game
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u were recently praising miller
i swear u r a effing skirt, my god u whine about everything
get a stuffing life , by the way still waiting for the cops lol
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Oh my!
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So you two going to catch another game together one day soon? :cuddles
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so much for Dimma having players earn there games and not gifted
How on earth does Vickery gets a game is beyond belief
No wonder we are the worst performing Melb based club in the past 20 years
Absolute joke :banghead
Serious question, so a serious answer would be appreciated. Who would you replace him with? Elton? Mcguane? Those would be gifted games too since they arnt setting the world on fire
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The Richmond App has Vickery listed as an emergency...
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Since Dimma has taken over, the playing list has been turned over like never before..Any heavier culling and it would have made the list too heavily waited on the side of youth.To remain somewhat competitive you do need a blend .In my opinion the jury is still out on dimma,only regular finals appearances would cut the mustard with me....However he does need more time to at least give him a shot at moulding the list that he wants and thinks will take the team into the finals..Thus i have no problem with miller being recruited and played until one of the youngsters develops to the point where his form demands a game..that has not happened yet.
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AFL Tigers hope Vickery can take big grabs
Greg Buckle
AAP
April 28, 2012 - 11:39AM
Richmond hope a ruck battle against boyhood rival Nic Naitanui will help Ty Vickery play himself back into form as a key forward in Sunday's clash at Etihad Stadium.
Vickery (No.8) and West Coast's Naitanui (No.2) were both drafted in 2008 and made their AFL debuts the following year.
The 200cm Vickery, who has booted only three goals in a slow start to the season following a 36-goal haul in 2011, is doing enough in the ruck to hold his own.
And Tigers midfield coach Brendon Lade says some early success against Naitanui and Dean Cox could be just the thing to boost Vickery's confidence going for big marks in the forward 50.
"Vickery, while he hasn't been marking it up forward, he has been quite competitive in the ruck for us," Lade said this week.
"Ty rucked against Naitanui when he was a kid (for Victoria against Western Australia) and did well.
"They've sort of grown up together and hopefully Ty can do a job for us when he goes in the ruck.
"When he has been in the ruck he has been fine this year.
"If he can get his hands on a few marks and get a few contested possessions and tackles when he is playing in the ruck, it's only going to help him when he goes forward and hopefully get a few marks.
"There's been a lot of media about it but he's still tracking along and he's still only 21.
"These big blokes, they do take a while.
"It's a big challenge for both the boys this week against probably the best combination in the AFL at the moment."
Vickery will receive plenty of help from Richmond's new No.1 ruckman Ivan Maric who has settled in brilliantly after 77 games in six seasons with Adelaide.
The Tigers (1-3) only lost by 10 points at Geelong last week and will take some confidence into their clash with the unbeaten Eagles.
However Lade says taking on big forwards Jack Darling, Josh Kennedy and Quinten Lynch plus Cox is a daunting prospect for Richmond's defence.
"They've got four tall forwards in their forward-line and we've got three (Jack Riewoldt, Vickery and Brad Miller)," he said.
"It (Etihad) is conducive for big marking."
Riewoldt is also struggling, with only six goals to his name.
Lade said the Eagles had a great midfield led by Daniel Kerr, Matthew Priddis and Scott Selwood.
"We've got some contingency plans in place if things get out of control," Lade said.
Lade said Richmond's midfield powerhouse Dustin Martin loved the quick deck at Etihad and wasn't far away from top form.
Tigers defender Matt Dea returns while the Eagles have also made one change, recalling Sam Butler.
West Coast coach John Worsfold said the Tigers were on the way up.
"I expect Richmond to be a much-improved side on last year because they're in that phase of bringing their young players through, so there's a lot of natural improvement through experience and maturity," he said.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/afl-tigers-hope-vickery-can-take-big-grabs-20120428-1xr9f.html
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-hopes-embattled-forward-tyrone-vickery-can-find-form-against-the-eagles/story-e6frepf6-1226341466345
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Best of luck TY, most supporters wish you the best
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Since Dimma has taken over, the playing list has been turned over like never before..Any heavier culling and it would have made the list too heavily waited on the side of youth.To remain somewhat competitive you do need a blend .In my opinion the jury is still out on dimma,only regular finals appearances would cut the mustard with me....However he does need more time to at least give him a shot at moulding the list that he wants and thinks will take the team into the finals..Thus i have no problem with miller being recruited and played until one of the youngsters develops to the point where his form demands a game..that has not happened yet.
I agree whole heartedly. The Miller recruitment was for a role as a bigger body while the younger ones developed and he has done that admirably. For what he cost us he has been one the the best recruiting decisions in years. Cost a rookie pick result 20 odd games 20 odd goals and a bigger body up forward.
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Since Dimma has taken over, the playing list has been turned over like never before..Any heavier culling and it would have made the list too heavily waited on the side of youth.To remain somewhat competitive you do need a blend .In my opinion the jury is still out on dimma,only regular finals appearances would cut the mustard with me....However he does need more time to at least give him a shot at moulding the list that he wants and thinks will take the team into the finals..Thus i have no problem with miller being recruited and played until one of the youngsters develops to the point where his form demands a game..that has not happened yet.
I agree whole heartedly. The Miller recruitment was for a role as a bigger body while the younger ones developed and he has done that admirably. For what he cost us he has been one the the best recruiting decisions in years. Cost a rookie pick result 20 odd games 20 odd goals and a bigger body up forward.
no no no. This is loser thinking IMO. The club must rid itself from mediocrity and loser mentality. It's very easy.....
You set high standards and you don't except anything below those standards. Those standards must be maintained throughout every department including recruiting. At this moment the club doesn't have very high standards. The recruitment of Miller highlights this fact.
Winners win and losers lose. Winning teams demand success in all areas.
I want to see this at Richmond hopefully one day we will.
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Good signs for Vickery
After an ordinary start to the season, Richmond key forward Tyrone Vickery was named on the Tigers' extended bench when the teams were announced last Thursday night. Vickery ended up scraping into the side, running out for his 50th game. The 21-year-old began the contest at centre half-forward, picked up by Will Schofield. He took one strong pack mark in the first quarter, then hauled in an ever better one in the second term after a 55m pass from Dustin Martin. Unfortunately, poor kicking ruined both those efforts. Late in the third quarter, Vickery snared another strong grab and this time went back and slotted a 50m goal. He remains a work in progress, but the signs were positive.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/134397/default.aspx
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Played with a lot more intent today. good signs. Needs to lift again though.
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Yep
FINALLY started clunking some
confidence will come
Flying under the radar of an 8 game dud
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Tyrone Vickery was substituted in the third term after having minimal impact, but Hardwick backed him in, revealing a kick to the buttocks had slowed him down.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-his-leaders-have-the-hunger-to-succeed/story-e6frf9jf-1226348170290)
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Tyrone Vickery was substituted in the third term after having minimal impact, but Hardwick backed him in, revealing a kick to the buttocks had slowed him down.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-his-leaders-have-the-hunger-to-succeed/story-e6frf9jf-1226348170290)
Hmmm buttocks what about the tape araound his calf after the game :-\
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good, he needed a good kick in the lemonade and sars. I hope dimma gave Jack one as well.
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Ty was Robbo's No.1 things he didn't like from the weekend ...
1. Tyrone Vickery
What has happened to the young man? Coach Damien Hardwick has persevered with Vickery and now must strongly consider a spell in the VFL. In six games, he is averaging just over six possessions and two marks per game and has kicked just five goals. He lacks confidence and yesterday it appeared at times that his teammates do not have the confidence in him to kick the ball to him.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/gold-coast-young-star-harley-bennell-has-footy-world-mesmorised/story-fn5937w8-1226348133334)
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He made some errors last night but when he kicked that goal in the last hopefully gives him alot of confidence for the rest of the season.
Let's hope he can build from this and show some of last years form.
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He made some errors last night but when he kicked that goal in the last hopefully gives him alot of confidence for the rest of the season.
Let's hope he can build from this and show some of last years form.
Made some errors and still not anywhere last years form but 16 disposals suggests he is trying to get involved and I'm happy for him to get another couple of weeks as long as he keeps up the effort.
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Observation
When Maric went off the ground.Saints kicked quick goals in last quarter while Vickery in ruck
Maric comes back on.we kick goals in last quarter
Maric needs support
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Step in the right direction
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jack there isnt anyone i dont think who can both pinch hit in the ruck and play forward....ty is it for the time being
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I reckon to hold our own would be a fair result .need to look at options as other clubs do
Keep in mind saints had no ruckman last night
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Post cant seem to cut the mustard at this point
Derryx just cant get enough of the footy in the magoos
Gus and browne are one trick ponys(ruckmen)
The others are coming back from injury
Maybe griff can be tried in that role in the coming weeks?
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Observation
When Maric went off the ground.Saints kicked quick goals in last quarter while Vickery in ruck
Maric comes back on.we kick goals in last quarter
Maric needs support
Didn't we rest all/most our best midfielder's at the same time as Maric? May be mistaken as I wasn't to happy and clear headed at the time ;)
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No had the guns in the middle.Griffiths might be an option after Grimes gets back and when he has played a few more games
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As already mentioned, we have no one else that could offer anymore than Vickers as a pinch hit ruckman.
And if you heard Hardwick's press conference he was happy with Ty's movement inside 50 as he drew his player away from Jack allowing him to isolate.
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Post cant seem to cut the mustard at this point
Derryx just cant get enough of the footy in the magoos
Gus and browne are one trick ponys(ruckmen)
The others are coming back from injury
Maybe griff can be tried in that role in the coming weeks?
No way. Griff is thorough bred.
Only.play him chf or chb
Vickery will come good. Much better than miller.
Will we bring in a 3rd key forward in the future?
Jack. Vickery. Astbury/Elton?
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Vickery will come good. Much better than miller.
Yep, fully agree Bents. 16 disposals last night was a good sign of intent, if not immediate improvement.
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As already mentioned, we have no one else that could offer anymore than Vickers as a pinch hit ruckman.
And if you heard Hardwick's press conference he was happy with Ty's movement inside 50 as he drew his player away from Jack allowing him to isolate.
top post.
I still remember MANY on here berating me when I said Miller shouldn't be playing. I know that MT & Bents were in favour of this also as were others but not many.
All the talk that Miller was important for forward structure and his so called hard work was all just hullabaloo.
The fact that Jack is playing so well goes to show how detrimental Millers presence was in the team. And vickery is so much better at creating space & drawing players away from Jack as he is already known as a much more damaging player than Miller, especially 40 + metres from goal.
And on top of all this he can pinch hit in the ruck something Miller was absolutely terrible at.
And one more thing Vickery is still very young and has many many years of improvement in him.
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Observation
When Maric went off the ground.Saints kicked quick goals in last quarter while Vickery in ruck
Maric comes back on.we kick goals in last quarter
Maric needs support
hhhhaaaarrrgggghhhh the obvious or is it for some.
at least he got a boit of ball. did nothing in ruck other than give the odd contest did not take a contested mark all night but hit a few packs at times.
take out the first quarter and he was very poor.
got peeed watching the game and lost a bit of perspective but will watch it again and i will watch for him.
jack gets 8 thats the game there. when blake went back in the third jack struggled. he needed to dominate considering who he was up aginst most of the night and he did.ffs simpkin gilbert and gwilt as kpds unbelievable. thats not structure thats nothing but trouble.
ivan dominates even with blake in ruck and i reckon he would have been the dominant ruckman with mcevoy and stanley there. but not as dominant as he was. three players cost them big time i look back scratch my head and ask would we have won if fisher mcevoy and stanley had played. mcevoy gives at the least a contest against ivan fisher goes back blake stays back and stanley stretches us forward and hurts us as a second ruckman.
just putting it out there but structurally they were a compromised side before they even got on the park.
clearly the best side on the night won and we should have won by more but i have to ask the obvious.
at the least it was great to get a monkey off the back it was good to again dig in and find a way to win when challenged im not trying to be negative there are lots and lots of positives im just trying to offer up some perspective.
of course the usual nuff nuffs who abhor any sort of balanced criticism will get on here and name call. of all our games this yr this is the least impressive imo.we dominated key areas of the game but could not put away an undermanned side. the turnovers and basic mistakes in particular were really disappointing.
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Yes we would have still won if we had Grimes in too. Every team has injuries. Jack has kicked 7 on Fisher before. Grimes would take Stanley. Maric would beat McEvoy too like he has done all year. Add Matty Dea in too. He would have taken Saad apparently who he flogged in the VFL.
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Fair points, claw. Sometimes we should just enjoy a win for at least the weekend though. Crack open a beer mate
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I agree with Claw the game was error riddled and whilst we manufactured our goals I thought they got alot of theirs through our errors.
Yes it was a high intencity game with pressure but we should have wrapped that game up much earlier and won by a more comfortable 5 goal margin.
Yes ecstatic with the win always knew the mental hurdle to get over St Kilda would have produced a tight result on the scoreboard but we need to improve and eradicate that sloppiness in over using the ball that can still cause critical turnovers against the more classy sides.
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Fair points, claw. Sometimes we should just enjoy a win for at least the weekend though. Crack open a beer mate
mate i know im over the top at times.but 26 yrs of the nd has taught me we have an opportunity here to actually build something. we do have a decent foundation i just dont want to see it frittered away like we have done in the past.
as i have said before i will at every opportunity point out why we should still go hard.
you have no idea when i was young we fought in the outer we wore our club on our sleeve.im a bit like jekyll and hyde im feral at the footy but im clinical away from it and the last 26yrs have made more clinical than ever.
i can promise everyone if we do the right thing at the end of this yr and there are for me kpis at the end of the yr i will just disappear from all footy boards.
ya know we are now 5 and 5 but just 3 or 4 injuries away from a supporter implosion.
im critical of a fair few things and i debate those things hard. for three yrs ive agreed with most that we are improving but ive argued we have to be ruthless and single minded even bloody minded in what remains to be done.i go out of my way to look at the pros and cons of everything they do.
to listen to some on here one would believe in the last three yrs they have got everything right. i can understand that because at last we improve but improvement does not mean we have got everything right or we need to do better at certain things despite improvement.
said it about a month or two ago we are at a crossroads we have a choice take the right road and we will at least be a top 4 side. take the wrong road again and we will remain mired in mediocrity. i pick holes because i think thats what we need to do.
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That's fine Claw and the way we go about things in terms of our player will be shown by Dimma and the boys in the number of players who'll be cut and the type of players we bring in at draft time who personally I think will use the draft wisely to get players we need to fill needs etc....
Whilst many here appreciate the content of your posts and where you have come from in terms of the frustration you have for your club, trust me you are not alone we are all in that same age demographic pretty much the fact that the same agenda gets crammed in our face time and time again tends to lose its impact after it has been repeated time and time again.
Enjoy the win mate and next week presents a new opponent and a new challenge. :thumbsup
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i can promise everyone if we do the right thing at the end of this yr and there are for me kpis at the end of the yr i will just disappear from all footy boards.
No you won't. ;D
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why would you dissapear from the boards when you think things are going well craw?
just enjoy the ride :cheers
Bents raises a good question about our forward structure and its a point that tiagra seems to have missed with his blah blah blah.
due to the match comittee not seeing anyone ready/fit enough/good enough to take tys spot when he was injured, we went into games with a different forward structure and it seemed to work better for us. Sometimes the best discoveries are made by accident and it seems the coaching staff have changed their thinking on our forward set up.
so miller went out when ty was fit again. I doubt we would have done this, at this point in time, if it meant dropping a young, developing KPP, given coburg havn't played for 2 weeks. Miller though was recruited for a certain, short term role and is basically expendable, something he understands and accepts.
For the immediate future, as long as we are kicking winning scores, I cant see us reverting back to a three tall set up in the forward line. I dont have any real hope of elton demanding selection yhrough performance this year, and there seems to be a variety of options if we loose one or two mid/small forwards rather than having to change the structure again due to necessity. Post looks to be be bookmarked as a backman or nothing, something i find a bit perplexing after his performance up forward lately, but with miller likely to be playing up forward for coburg in the immediate future, this seems unlikely to change.
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Thought he went well Friday night, great goal from that angle, will develop and be a big part of our team. He also did some very good things around the ground.
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Bents raises a good question about our forward structure and its a point that tiagra seems to have missed with his blah blah blah.
what are you on about Al?
Bents and I were on the same page when it came it this issue as was MT. And now clear for almost everyone on this forum now that Miller is gone and the forward line is working so much better without him.
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i still have a lot of time for Ty and think in the future he will develop into a great contributor for us,but Friday night other than that clutch goal the only real effort i saw from ty was at the end of the game when he ran along the fence giving HI 5s to the crowd
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i still have a lot of time for Ty and think in the future he will develop into a great contributor for us,but Friday night other than that clutch goal the only real effort i saw from ty was at the end of the game when he ran along the fence giving HI 5s to the crowd
No, he did better than that, in particular up the ground more around the wing..
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He made some mistakes in the first half as he looked like he was a little unsure or lacking a little confidence, but really stood up with his skill and ability showing out in the second half with just pure hard and percipience.
Like Jack early in the season The Big Vic is looking like he ready to take another step up again.
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His size is a headache for the other team.
Just as we have struggled with resting ruckman deep forward until griffs.
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you could see that great goal kicked lifted his
confidence, look at dockers.
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He made some mistakes in the first half as he looked like he was a little unsure or lacking a little confidence, but really stood up with his skill and ability showing out in the second half with just pure hard and percipience.
Like Jack early in the season The Big Vic is looking like he ready to take another step up again.
In the first it looked like he was trying to be to cute with his kicking, i thought
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Bents raises a good question about our forward structure and its a point that tiagra seems to have missed with his blah blah blah.
what are you on about Al?
Bents and I were on the same page when it came it this issue as was MT. And now clear for almost everyone on this forum now that Miller is gone and the forward line is working so much better without him.
what am I on about?
Will we bring in a 3rd key forward in the future?
Jack. Vickery. Astbury/Elton?
You do realise that we have gone from having 3 talls in the forward line to 2?
Do you understand that the structure of the forward line has changed?
do you comprehend english? I did actually discuss that in the rest of the post that you cut out when you quoted me.
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i dont want to be the one regul;arly bagging him but i dont think his game was good.
hes a back up ruckman and had just 7 h/o his work in this area was minimal. he had 4 1%ers. kicked just one goal and had 8 of his 16 possesions up to quarter time.
he spent the majority of time forward playing against simpkin at 191cm a young and undersized player. gilbert whos actually a running defender not a kpp at all and gwilt at 188cm,
again i scratch my head and ask why didnt he take one contested mark. jack took advantage of their problems even though he had two on him most of the time but tyrone let that chance slip.he really should have caused havoc with the advantages he had and didnt. big ivan and jack took full toll of their predicament as good players do.
why did he spend so little time in the ruck a golden opportunity to go up against a 189cm ruckman and dominate or go up against a paert time ruckman like himself. it did not happen often enough and when it did we got too little out of him.
i still maintain if tyrone is to be the backup ruckman, and its clearly the way the club wants it, he needs to be more productive and competetive in that role. if hes a forward /ruckman i still think we need another kpf or at the least a tall quick agile third tall type. this does not mean the dinosaur miller.how nice would it be to actually be able to give big ivan decent spells on the bench and not lose our structure forward.
two talls both injured and i cant wait to see them get games. astbury up forward chf in fact, grimes down back as the third man up with rebound a key component. tyrone to assume more ruck duties and rest in a pocket.
to me so far this yr hes struggled in every game he played. while he found a bit of ball at last on friday i still think his game was ordinary for the reasons i gave.
what i really want to see out of him is some real aggression not just at the ball but at the man as well. it high time you found a bit of mongrel tyrone.
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Its fair to say both jack and Ty have struggled at times..jack seems well and truly over his slump,i hope ty soon leaves his slump behind him too.....If you think about it jack had 5 operations pre season,if i had that many i reckon it might take me some time to get back into the flow ..Stories have also circulated about Ty too(re surgery),i dont know how true these stories are .Given theres some truth in them ,i am also not surprised that it has taken him time to also get back into it.
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Its fair to say both jack and Ty have struggled at times..jack seems well and truly over his slump,i hope ty soon leaves his slump behind him too.....If you think about it jack had 5 operations pre season,if i had that many i reckon it might take me some time to get back into the flow ..Stories have also circulated about Ty too(re surgery),i dont know how true these stories are .Given theres some truth in them ,i am also not surprised that it has taken him time to also get back into it.
Better to be getting over injury now and be in peak form in two to three months time the way you put it Gigantor. Let the kid play he'll overcome his issues.
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Id elton or astbury or post or derickx kicks 20 goals over a 2 or 3 goal period they must be at least consiterer. As wce has shown a super tall forward line can work and can be powerful.
If the current kpp theory is stays in place itll be a tough situation for astbury. #12
why would you dissapear from the boards when you think things are going well craw?
just enjoy the ride :cheers
Bents raises a good question about our forward structure and its a point that tiagra seems to have missed with his blah blah blah.
due to the match comittee not seeing anyone ready/fit enough/good enough to take tys spot when he was injured, we went into games with a different forward structure and it seemed to work better for us. Sometimes the best discoveries are made by accident and it seems the coaching staff have changed their thinking on our forward set up.
so miller went out when ty was fit again. I doubt we would have done this, at this point in time, if it meant dropping a young, developing KPP, given coburg havn't played for 2 weeks. Miller though was recruited for a certain, short term role and is basically expendable, something he understands and accepts.
For the immediate future, as long as we are kicking winning scores, I cant see us reverting back to a three tall set up in the forward line. I dont have any real hope of elton demanding selection yhrough performance this year, and there seems to be a variety of options if we loose one or two mid/small forwards rather than having to change the structure again due to necessity. Post looks to be be bookmarked as a backman or nothing, something i find a bit perplexing after his performance up forward lately, but with miller likely to be playing up forward for coburg in the immediate future, this seems unlikely to change.
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Id elton or astbury or post or derickx kicks 20 goals over a 2 or 3 goal period they must be at least consiterer. As wce has shown a super tall forward line can work and can be powerful.
If the current kpp theory is stays in place itll be a tough situation for astbury. #12
why would you dissapear from the boards when you think things are going well craw?
just enjoy the ride :cheers
Bents raises a good question about our forward structure and its a point that tiagra seems to have missed with his blah blah blah.
due to the match comittee not seeing anyone ready/fit enough/good enough to take tys spot when he was injured, we went into games with a different forward structure and it seemed to work better for us. Sometimes the best discoveries are made by accident and it seems the coaching staff have changed their thinking on our forward set up.
so miller went out when ty was fit again. I doubt we would have done this, at this point in time, if it meant dropping a young, developing KPP, given coburg havn't played for 2 weeks. Miller though was recruited for a certain, short term role and is basically expendable, something he understands and accepts.
For the immediate future, as long as we are kicking winning scores, I cant see us reverting back to a three tall set up in the forward line. I dont have any real hope of elton demanding selection yhrough performance this year, and there seems to be a variety of options if we loose one or two mid/small forwards rather than having to change the structure again due to necessity. Post looks to be be bookmarked as a backman or nothing, something i find a bit perplexing after his performance up forward lately, but with miller likely to be playing up forward for coburg in the immediate future, this seems unlikely to change.
.......What did you just say man?
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critical to the team structure.
Starting get some of the ball which is great and sent the ferals into a frenzy when he kicked that clutch clutch goal in the last quarter.
Attacked the contest with vigour from then on, and now has good starting point to build on for next week.
WIll make it.
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TV has enormous upside just turned 22 can play multiple roles and though i do agree his form is woeful he is Critical to the structure of the side... He still looks like he needs more time in the gym for my liking and a good feed might want to hang out with Dusty over the preseason ;)
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The English language has taken more hits in this thread than Tyrone Vickery has!
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The English language has taken more hits in this thread than Tyrone Vickery has!
:thumbsup :rollin :rollin :rollin :dancing :thatsgold
;D
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Its fair to say both jack and Ty have struggled at times..jack seems well and truly over his slump,i hope ty soon leaves his slump behind him too.....If you think about it jack had 5 operations pre season,if i had that many i reckon it might take me some time to get back into the flow ..Stories have also circulated about Ty too(re surgery),i dont know how true these stories are .Given theres some truth in them ,i am also not surprised that it has taken him time to also get back into it.
He definitely had 1 surgery. Not sure if anymore. He also copped 3 injuries during NAB Cup so never fired a shot in that and confidence disappeared too.
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Vickery doing really well today.
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Needs to pull his finger out as he is not putting in the team.Laughing off at halftime when we were down not a goodlook either.For me his workrate and intensity has dropped off bigtime.
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Needs to pull his finger out as he is not putting in the team.Laughing off at halftime when we were down not a goodlook either.For me his workrate and intensity has dropped off bigtime.
Another disappointing performance. Needs a massive injection of MONGREL
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He must have great skills if he can try and juggle a mark and give away a holding free while in front of his opponent.
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not a good day for big men but he was poor again especially after half time. to me thats 9 poor games out of nine.
hes supposed to be the other key forward and hes not. hes supposed to be the backup ruckman and hes not. would be good if he could make a decent contribution with just one of those roles. perhaps then we could cater to the other.
imo first of all he needs to go to coburg for a stint just to get his hands on the ball, take a few strong grabs and get some confidence. this really should have happened 5 or 6 weeks ago.
when he comes back play him as a THIRD tall in the fp not as a kpp. then give him significantly more time in the ruck giving ivan a break.in doing this we can then give astbury a game if fit or elton or try post again in the key position.
to go further we need to find a decent back up ruckman and we need to find a real good foil kpf to go with jack. make vickery the backup ruckman and vigorously search for the kpf.
sooner or later this bloke has to put his hand up or go. just how long can we carry him for.
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Hopeless
Been gifted games all year
ANY player who goes in for the ball one handed has lost me
As discussed with other supporters back at social club
Time to stop playing favorites and bring back Gus
Forget about the structure crap.big men need to stamp some physical presence in a game
Something Vickery is very poor in
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Time to stop playing favorites and bring back Gus
Gus has been good for most of the year at the Burgers and although Vicks may be the future Gus is more appropriate at this time. BTW we haven't seen how he and the mullet will go in tandem - it may just work.
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Vickery was mentioned on game Day.
how much of a tosser does he look like laughing and giggling at half time.
I have no doubt in my mind he will finally get dropped for his performances this year
its a done deal
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If they play him.run the risk of getting beat next week
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Needs to pull his finger out as he is not putting in the team.Laughing off at halftime when we were down not a goodlook either.For me his workrate and intensity has dropped off bigtime.
Another disappointing performance. Needs a massive injection of MONGREL
He needs an injection of something because each week he's getting an injection of someone.
And to think Jstar doesn't think he can bend over :lol
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To me Ty gives the impression of being scared....sad to say that of a bloke his size
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I didnt like ty having a laugh.
Wheneve that was
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To me Ty gives the impression of being scared....sad to say that of a bloke his size
Opposition think he is soft
They are right
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Gee jack when i played we used to use another word instead of soft and scared...however due to gender equality i would never use that word these days
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and take make matters worse
he was laughing an carrying on walking off at half time when we were getting beaten
Would make him walk to Coburg next week
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jack i agree not a good look ..however lets give him the benefit of the doubt .maybe he had a DVD of the new three stooges movie given to him and was sharing
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I'd make him go 10 rounds with his old man ,maybe that will bring the mongrel out.....was watching tys equivalent at essendon Hurley...now theres one nasty looking and imposing piece of work.
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Ty hardly makes opposition players tremble in the boots
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Hardwick is the problem, not Vickery.
"IF" Hardwick has balls, he would drop Vickery to Coburg and leave there until he gains form!
Hardwick "spins" too ... ie: Daniel Jackson who has moved to the Half Forward line.
Play Griffiths in the forward line where HE SHOULD BE and drop Vickery.
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I'd make him go 10 rounds with his old man ,maybe that will bring the mongrel out.....was watching tys equivalent at essendon Hurley...now theres one nasty looking and imposing piece of work.
I got told on here that Vickery was a better player than Hurley and that Hurley was an overrated piece of poo.
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I'd make him go 10 rounds with his old man ,maybe that will bring the mongrel out.....was watching tys equivalent at essendon Hurley...now theres one nasty looking and imposing piece of work.
I got told on here that Vickery was a better player than Hurley and that Hurley was an overrated piece of poo.
I was too busy dealing in common sense over at BigFooty to catch that one.
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I'd make him go 10 rounds with his old man ,maybe that will bring the mongrel out.....was watching tys equivalent at essendon Hurley...now theres one nasty looking and imposing piece of work.
I got told on here that Vickery was a better player than Hurley and that Hurley was an overrated piece of poo.
:lol So true. Hurley is overrated.
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I'd make him go 10 rounds with his old man ,maybe that will bring the mongrel out.....was watching tys equivalent at essendon Hurley...now theres one nasty looking and imposing piece of work.
I got told on here that Vickery was a better player than Hurley and that Hurley was an overrated piece of poo.
I was too busy dealing in common sense over at BigFooty to catch that one.
Looking for a scoop :lol
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I'd make him go 10 rounds with his old man ,maybe that will bring the mongrel out.....was watching tys equivalent at essendon Hurley...now theres one nasty looking and imposing piece of work.
I got told on here that Vickery was a better player than Hurley and that Hurley was an overrated piece of poo.
I was too busy dealing in common sense over at BigFooty to catch that one.
Looking for a scoop :lol
:lol
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TV, 5 score involvements and 3 goal assists. 3rd best in the team for score involvements. Best in goal assists.
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Making excuses for a dud
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Making excuses for a dud
Is that aimed at me ? I'm making no judgement. Just highlighting some stats. You may need to learn how to read.
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Actually didnt think he played that bad, not 2011 form, but not that bad
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Making excuses for a dud
You may need to learn how to read.
That is a fair whack :lol
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Unfortunately unless he gets his act together I will forever think of that stupid smirk and act at half time when I think of Tyrone Vickery.
Harden up ya immature twit! You are playing AFL footy for Richmond !
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What was that about anyway?
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What was that about anyway?
It was half time and he was making fun of an injured player and having a laugh.
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TV made Robbo's 'dislikes' list today...
7. Tyrone Vickery. Been a constant in The Tackle this year, only because we rated him so high after last year. Hasn't imposed himself on games as he should have this year, and on Saturday didn't understand the urgency of the game when he should've. In a tight contest, where players were set upon, Vickery had the ball with three minutes to play and decided to baulk when a long kick was not only required but absolutely expected. He might've been caught high, but the umpire didn't pay it and the Tigers lost the ball. Vickery's mistake was one of many made because of Fremantle's manic intensity. Others were just pure errors, such as Jake Batchelor's missed handball which gave Pavlich a goal at the start of the final quarter.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/essendon-has-shot-itself-in-the-foot/story-fn5937w8-1226390560109
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What was that about anyway?
It was half time and he was making fun of an injured player and having a laugh.
Drop screech, its time to bring back the King Island Colossus :shh
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...WHOA :shh
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Is the world prepared for such a comeback? :shh
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It should stuffing get ready. He's coming back :shh
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hide yo kids, hide yo wives :shh
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dud delist
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he reminds me of a stork with one testicle
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Painted_Stork.jpg/220px-Painted_Stork.jpg)
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According to Caro, Vickery was laughing and jigging at something Barlow said/did. She said it was no big deal.
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When was the last time took an overhead mark. He takes chest marks only negatting his inherent stregnths being height. Im at my wits end what to do, sadly no tall is belting the door down to replace him
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miller took 10 marks for coburg on the weekend
:outtahere
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Gus kicked 2.5 and had 54 hitouts.
:clapping
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miller took 10 marks for coburg on the weekend
:outtahere
Looks like he has found his niche then
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:lol
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We want Vardy!
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Is Paul Bullus free this weekend?
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1st choice Alastair Scott
2nd choice Jarryd Silvester
3rd choice Shane Morrison
4th choice Stuart Wigney
5th choice Michael Laffy
6th choice Jon Howat
7th choice Stuart Edwards
8th choice Brett Evans
9th choice Ben Marsh
10th choice Luke Weller
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Wigney could play
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Wigney could play
exactly was very good tough chb
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Maybe we could ask Mark Neeld to make a comeback for a couple of hours
:outtahere
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To fly into the head of the storm>> I know Vickery has not showed last years form, he is a big bloke and they do take time to come on, he puts on muscle over summer and maybe hasn't found his mojo yet, are we being unfair here?, is this time going to do some good?? What is the point of getting on and bashing him?
Dimma has a plan and maybe Vickery is part of it.
RFC members are always very quick to criticise.
Has anyone mentioned Chimps 6 clangers last week? If Tuck had 6 clangers you would be howling for his head.
So lets just sit back and let it all unfold.
Faith in Dimma should be the mantra
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Ruckman size player taken longer.
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Free kicks against count as clangers. Chimp is God.
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To fly into the head of the storm>> I know Vickery has not showed last years form, he is a big bloke and they do take time to come on, he puts on muscle over summer and maybe hasn't found his mojo yet, are we being unfair here?, is this time going to do some good?? What is the point of getting on and bashing him?
Dimma has a plan and maybe Vickery is part of it.
RFC members are always very quick to criticise.
Has anyone mentioned Chimps
6 clangers last week?
Yes I have. Said earlier Cotchin first half was disgusting and pathetic
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That post is disgusting and pathetic. Read it twice.
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then apply an uppercut to yourself
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Needs to start to stand up and show his weight around as he has been poor.No effort at times and doesnt put in enough to be in a contest.
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Caro on 3aw just said Vickery hurt himself cycling in some incident and that's why he's not playing. Not his fault as it was the car's fault.
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I reckon he is a bit vital for team balance.
Come on tyrone
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I reckon he is a bit vital for team balance.
Come on tyrone
A bit vital
Some vital
Very vital.
Vita Brits. :lol :rollin :lol
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Vickery a Tiger key
richmondfc.com.au
Wed 29 Aug, 2012
Talented Richmond forward-ruckman, Ty Vickery, is currently on holidays in Italy while he recovers from his season-ending shoulder surgery.
The plan is for Vickery, who has been sidelined since Round 11, to have his extended break now and then start his pre-season program well ahead of his teammates.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/146109/default.aspx
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Still think this guy cold be our X factor, early days for him, would like to see him end up in te same mould as Tippett, it took him a while to perform.
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Still think this guy cold be our X factor, early days for him, would like to see him end up in te same mould as Tippett, it took him a while to perform.
No doubt in my mind WAT, we know he had a poor year due to injury.
I believe this kid is destined for big things and he showed how important he can be last year, and even to a degree this year whilst under injury duress.
Vickery will destroy Kruezer in years to come
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Still think this guy cold be our X factor, early days for him, would like to see him end up in te same mould as Tippett, it took him a while to perform.
No doubt in my mind WAT, we know he had a poor year due to injury.
I believe this kid is destined for big things and he showed how important he can be last year, and even to a degree this year whilst under injury duress.
Vickery will destroy Kruezer in years to come
I hope so EaA, I am with you on this, I think we will see a completely different player next year. If he has a vey good pre season.
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would never have got this guy if his dad wasn't a part time bootstudder :banghead
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Vickery to midfield with Rance and Post :shh
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Super important player to our future particularly with the AFL looking at reducing the subs further next year and beyond. There are very few players that can play forward and the ruck effectively and Vickery has shown he is one of them and could well be the best of them in the near future. :thumbsup
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would never have got this guy if his dad wasn't a part time bootstudder :banghead
only at RFC could the bootstudder have so much influence :banghead
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would never have got this guy if his dad wasn't a part time bootstudder :banghead
only at RFC could the bootstudder have so much influence :banghead
I dont need my tin foil hat to tell me something is fishy :banghead
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would never have got this guy if his dad wasn't a part time bootstudder :banghead
Youd have to be kidding he was oftntoted a top 5 or so selection, im still pinching myself we snaffled him :shh
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would never have got this guy if his dad wasn't a part time bootstudder :banghead
Youd have to be kidding he was oftntoted a top 5 or so selection, im still pinching myself we snaffled him :shh
No, his dad pressured the club into drafting him. It's common knowledge.
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spoken to his dad once in traffic. He drinks yakult :shh
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I was stopped in the street and was asked if Vickerys Dad is really his Dad :huh
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I was stopped in the street and was asked if Vickerys Dad is really his Dad :huh
LOL
Disrespectful questions about breeding from a Tasmanian
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Anyone know how Vicks is coming along after his op?
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im one who heavily criticised him this yr and who is critical of areas of his game all 4 yrs.
i agree with most hes important to us but i want us to play him more as a around the ground ruckman for much longer.
the reality is he is probably the only viable 2nd ruckman we have.
really hope we play him as a ruckman who spends a lot of time in a fp.
i really believe our forward structure should be griffiths at ff, vickery fp and riewoldt at chf hitting up the ground.
imo he needs 5kg or more on his frame. he needs to be much more aggresive at the man and ball and he needs to contest in the air much more.he also needs to work a damn sight harder when he doesnt have the ball or isnt contesting it.
im happy to give him the benefit of doubt this yr because of his injuries but he really needs to work hard on and improve in what is pretty critical areas for a tall.
one thing though after this yr he either performs well or he plays at coburg and we try someone else no excuses for him and no so called browny points in the bag.
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Disagree. Riewoldt can't play at CHF IMO.
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Disagree. Riewoldt can't play at CHF IMO.
Yes he can't.
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yep not suited to CHF, cant lead longer than 15-20 metres at full pace, at CHF you need to be able to get on your bike and lead 40-60 metres up the wings. Griffiths is the one who could play CHF once he builds up his tank
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yep not suited to CHF, cant lead longer than 15-20 metres at full pace, at CHF you need to be able to get on your bike and lead 40-60 metres up the wings. Griffiths is the one who could play CHF once he builds up his tank
I also agree. JAck is a dead eye dick with his kicking from any angle with 40m but doesn't have a big, accurate roost on him either which a CHF would need. Griffiths would be perfect for this role imo.
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Yep, Jack is FF.
HE wouldn't like getting too far from the goals/cheer squad anyway. ;D
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- but i want us to play him more as a around the ground ruckman for much longer.
- really hope we play him as a ruckman who spends a lot of time in a fp.
Don't these two points contradict yourself?
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Jack FF.
Griff CHF
Vickery pocket
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Jack FF.
Griff CHF
Vickery pocket
Like!
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A 100% fit and determined TV is what we need beginning round 1 next year.
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http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/tyrone-vickery-runs-laps-with-aaron-edwards-during-a-news-photo/158042629
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He's looking bigger at least. Probably one of the most important structural players we have in the whole team.
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Weak quads
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He can run all he likes, lots of strapping on those shoulders...
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Reminds me of a young robert walls (spit) If his shoulders hold he's going to be awesome to behold in 2013, just watch.
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TV in the paper ...
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/283019819132014592/photo/1
And the RFC website article on Vickery and Kingy at the Hospital...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-12-20/tiger-duo-visit-childrens-hospital
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What's she done, the little pet ?
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Mark Williams (the other one) talking about Ty...
“He’s been really impressive, his work rate has been outstanding. He’s been doing a lot of running with Alex Rance,” said Williams.
“The really impressive thing has been his contested marking, it’s been outstanding. He’s been running really good patterns and building good synergy with Luke McGuane and Aaron Edwards.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-01-29/riewoldt-and-vickery-focus-on-fitness
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Chocco talking about Ty...
“He’s been really impressive, his work rate has been outstanding. He’s been doing a lot of running with Alex Rance,” said Williams.
“The really impressive thing has been his contested marking, it’s been outstanding. He’s been running really good patterns and building good synergy with Luke McGuane and Aaron Edwards.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-01-29/riewoldt-and-vickery-focus-on-fitness
NOT CHOCO
The other Mark Williams, the dud one from the dees
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NOT CHOCO
The other Mark Williams, the dud one from the dees
Ta gerks.
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nice edit ;D
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Great to hear this time of year, I think this is the best Vickery has prepared and been prepared for a seasen.
I was concerned that he wouldn't commence training this early because of his shoulder...very very good news.
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Great to hear this time of year, I think this is the best Vickery has prepared and been prepared for a seasen.
I was concerned that he wouldn't commence training this early because of his shoulder...very very good news.
Griff too !
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Mark Williams (the other one) talking about Ty...
“He’s been really impressive, his work rate has been outstanding. He’s been doing a lot of running with Alex Rance,” said Williams.
“The really impressive thing has been his contested marking, it’s been outstanding. He’s been running really good patterns and building good synergy with Luke McGuane and Aaron Edwards.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-01-29/riewoldt-and-vickery-focus-on-fitness
So luke is a forward target in 2013?
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Its more a case of playing him where he is less of a liability
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Interesting to see if Jack is rested for the NAB and they go with A. Edwards, McGuane and Vickery?! Otherwise McGuane would surely be the one to make way for Jack.
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Great to hear this time of year, I think this is the best Vickery has prepared and been prepared for a seasen.
I was concerned that he wouldn't commence training this early because of his shoulder...very very good news.
Griff too !
:thumbsup :thumbsup
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I was standing behind the Richmond cheer squad goals and it was pleasing to TV's attack on the footy and hold his marks once again after his shoulder problems last year. For mine he was one of the main positives to come out of last night as he is so important our forward structure. I didn't mind him either showing some aggression and telling an opponent he's not going to take any cheapshot crap.
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Didn't a few ppl say Ty was soft and scared
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Dunn wet himself when TV turned on him. Even put up his hands to say "pweese don't hit me :'("
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Dunn wet himself when TV turned on him. Even put up his hands to say "pweese don't hit me :'("
Yep lol
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i must be the only one who was not impressed with vickery. he didnt actually do a lot. he doesnt do the things you need a chf to do.
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Ty is coming back after missing half of last season and with 2 shoulder operations.In my opinion he got better as the games progressed.A lot to look forward to.
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I was standing behind the Richmond cheer squad goals and it was pleasing to TV's attack on the footy and hold his marks once again after his shoulder problems last year. For mine he was one of the main positives to come out of last night as he is so important our forward structure. I didn't mind him either showing some aggression and telling an opponent he's not going to take any cheapshot crap.
Yep was a positive for mine, competed hard, good to have him back in our structures
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i must be the only one who was not impressed with vickery. he didnt actually do a lot. he doesnt do the things you need a chf to do.
Yeh I was dirty he didn't kick 10 goals and dominate, I was thinking of cutting him some slack due to his time out but your right eff that let's bag the useless slob
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Just needs to Learn to lead away from Jack! There were 6 or 7 occasions last night where Vickery and Jack were involved in he same marking contest, he just need to Learn that if he's not going to make it to the ball to stay back nd at least keep his opponent away from the contest as well. Apart from that there were some good signs I thought.....
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Just needs to Learn to lead away from Jack! There were 6 or 7 occasions last night where Vickery and Jack were involved in he same marking contest, he just need to Learn that if he's not going to make it to the ball to stay back nd at least keep his opponent away from the contest as well. Apart from that there were some good signs I thought.....
Remember Richo and Jack also had this problem. Its obvious that our forward structures need to be fine tuned, but that's what preseason games are for.
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Still a bit rusty but worked hard. Liked his big tackle on that Norf gimp.
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Just needs to Learn to lead away from Jack! There were 6 or 7 occasions last night where Vickery and Jack were involved in he same marking contest, he just need to Learn that if he's not going to make it to the ball to stay back nd at least keep his opponent away from the contest as well. Apart from that there were some good signs I thought.....
Agree with this
It was interesting that Edwards did actually lead away from Jack a few times and was completely ignored LOL
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i must be the only one who was not impressed with vickery. he didnt actually do a lot. he doesnt do the things you need a chf to do.
Yeh I was dirty he didn't kick 10 goals and dominate, I was thinking of cutting him some slack due to his time out but your right eff that let's bag the useless slob
im not surprised youd expect 10 goals from him ::)
when i bag him i will call him a useless slob.
atm all ive said is he didnt do a lot and hes getting a lot of kudos. we are sensitive if thats a bagging.id hate to see what happens when he actually manages to play a decent game it will be like the second coming i reckon.
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Didn't a few ppl say Ty was soft and scared
:shh
Forza Tyrone
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Ty needs to actually do something, intent and an ok tackle on a north player isn't enough
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Didn't a few ppl say Ty was soft and scared
so what are you saying here. hes not scared because he got into a bit of jumper pulling and punching. mate even hayden ballantyne does that.
lets see how he goes the first time he gets a knee in the ribs in a ruck contest we will see if hes toughened up then wont we.
he has often squibbed out in these sort of circumstances.
some peoples idea of tough is really unbelievable.
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Didn't a few ppl say Ty was soft and scared
so what are you saying here. hes not scared because he got into a bit of jumper pulling and punching. mate even hayden ballantyne does that.
lets see how he goes the first time he gets a knee in the ribs in a ruck contest we will see if hes toughened up then wont we.
he has often squibbed out in these sort of circumstances.
some peoples idea of tough is really unbelievable.
I have actually never seen him squib a contest...
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Didn't a few ppl say Ty was soft and scared
so what are you saying here. hes not scared because he got into a bit of jumper pulling and punching. mate even hayden ballantyne does that.
lets see how he goes the first time he gets a knee in the ribs in a ruck contest we will see if hes toughened up then wont we.
he has often squibbed out in these sort of circumstances.
some peoples idea of tough is really unbelievable.
I have actually never seen him squib a contest...
TV isn't a squib.
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Didn't a few ppl say Ty was soft and scared
so what are you saying here. hes not scared because he got into a bit of jumper pulling and punching. mate even hayden ballantyne does that.
lets see how he goes the first time he gets a knee in the ribs in a ruck contest we will see if hes toughened up then wont we.
he has often squibbed out in these sort of circumstances.
some peoples idea of tough is really unbelievable.
How about instead of playing paper teams you watch a few games
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You reckon sir Alex Ferguson or mark Taylor wouldn't do the odd paper team?
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Didn't a few ppl say Ty was soft and scared
so what are you saying here. hes not scared because he got into a bit of jumper pulling and punching. mate even hayden ballantyne does that.
lets see how he goes the first time he gets a knee in the ribs in a ruck contest we will see if hes toughened up then wont we.
he has often squibbed out in these sort of circumstances.
some peoples idea of tough is really unbelievable.
How about instead of playing paper teams you watch a few games
lol seems im the only one watching how you can miss him squibbing is beyond me.
oh dear i see hes one of your favorites and he cant possibly have squibbed. you certainly wouldnt see it with those blinkers on eh.
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Show some proof and maybe we'll believe you
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Can't say I've seen Vicks squib it
Maybe he did early like most kids have but I missed it, that's forgiveable though
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i must be the only one who was not impressed with vickery. he didnt actually do a lot. he doesnt do the things you need a chf to do.
Yeh I was dirty he didn't kick 10 goals and dominate, I was thinking of cutting him some slack due to his time out but your right eff that let's bag the useless slob
im not surprised youd expect 10 goals from him ::)
when i bag him i will call him a useless slob.
atm all ive said is he didnt do a lot and hes getting a lot of kudos. we are sensitive if thats a bagging.id hate to see what happens when he actually manages to play a decent game it will be like the second coming i reckon.
Its obvious you werent at the game and rarely attend any richmond games. TV lead and positioned really well and if it wasnt for several kicks aimed at his ankles he'd have kicked his share.
i agree he's not a number 1 ruck he is a forward and part time ruck.. you've just got to get over it "finger nail"
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For a guy who had major shoulder surgery last season I thought he took a real step forward.
Wasn't outstanding but was heavily involved and certainly a lot more than he was when he was struggling last year.
Needs touch, that will come with game time.
Nothing to worry about yet.
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Vickery is not a squib. Last year against GWS at Manuka he flew for a mark knowing he was heading directly into the point post. He only had eyes for the ball and took a great grab.
Sorry but the squib rumour is completely without basis.
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Can't say I've seen Vicks squib it
Maybe he did early like most kids have but I missed it, that's forgiveable though
I don't think he's a squib but I reckon there are times where Hardwick would be annoyed he didn't go harder. He always seems keen for a scrap but I dunno why, he never throws any and he never will because he will get suspended for it. Save the aggression for attacking the contest as hard as you can and try to hurt any bloke who sits in the hole. Between Riewoldt & Vickery we really do lack a big man up forward to split packs and to seriously hurt blokes. Maybe that's why McGuane is still around ;D
Some people reckon Vickery plays with 'mongrel'. Playing with mongrel isn't having a pointless scrap when the ball is a 100 metres away. He's definitely not a squib but I think I see where theclaw is coming from
Vickery is not a squib. Last year against GWS at Manuka he flew for a mark knowing he was heading directly into the point post. He only had eyes for the ball and took a great grab.
Sorry but the squib rumour is completely without basis.
Point posts don't move and they don't have knees ;D Cleve Hughes took a courageous grab once. But yeah, Vickery isn't scared.
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Split a pack and just about knocked Roo and Chip out the other night ;D
Wasn't the best decision but he can do it, more of it please
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I don't think we lack a.3rd.tall.forward
Griff
Astbury
Elton
Plus Mcbean/onhanlon/Edwardsaaron/pettard
McIntosh I'm sure would make a go of it.
Mcgaune should move to coburg.
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I don't think we lack a.3rd.tall.forward
Griff
Think you better get used to seeing big Ben primarily as a tall defender.
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My best 22 includes France, grimes, Chaplin.
That is large backline if Grifs does not play forward
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My best 22 includes France, grimes, Chaplin.
That is large backline if Grifs does not play forward
It is indeed. Grimesy would have to play small because he is the only one of the 4 capable of it. Not sure I want that as I reckon he's our best tall defender.
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Point posts don't move and they don't have knees ;D Cleve Hughes took a courageous grab once. But yeah, Vickery isn't scared.
Are you sure Coach?? Maybe you should check with McGuane. :lol
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:lol
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Starting to think CHF belongs to Griffiths.
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Starting to think CHF belongs to Griffiths.
Like your thinking Mrak. Guaranteed to make the journey anywhere forward of Centre. :thumbsup
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Griff will play in defense. He showed a lot of promise there last year. He's too much of an unknown up forward to start him there this year. He might end up there at some point but I think Dimma will try to make that tall back line work. All bar Chaplin are relatively versatile so I think it can work.
Personally, I really like his poise and penetrating boot in defense.
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Penetrating comment from the big willy
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For Richmond, Ty and Jack are cause and effect
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has a chat with Melbourne legend Garry Lyon during a Demons training session at Gosch's Paddock on Tuesday.
Jack Riewoldt kicked 65 goals last year, but 90 the year before. Ty Vickery played nine games last year, but every one the year before.
It is not a coincidence, there is an undoubted cause and effect there: when Ty plays, Jack plays well. When Jack and Ty play, Richmond's forward line looks better.
Vickery is not Richmond's best player, but he might be its most important - structurally at least - for the impact he can have on the other, better players in the side. This is not unique to Richmond, nor even that surprising to suggest that the centre half forward should be the most important player to a team. But in Richmond's context the argument is persuasive.
''There is no doubt the importance to us structurally of Ty playing. We are a better side by him just walking onto the ground. Do we expect him to play well? Yes we do. Do we expect him to have a better nine games than he did last year? By all means we do,'' Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said.
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In his third season in 2011 Vickery had a breakout year, he booted 36 goals, took 95 marks - 29 of them contested - and his hitouts to advantage when rucking runs at a very healthy 32 per cent in a competition where anything above 30 per cent is a benchmark for quality.
Last year, though, was horrible. He played when he shouldn't have, with shoulders as loose as the Australian top order. His shoulders would partially dislocate at training. He could not do weights, he could not raise his arms above his head, yet he continued to try to play. Yet the more he played and the worse he went, the worse he felt physically and mentally.
Eventually he and the club relented to surgery and doctors were surprised at the state of the shoulders and the fact he had been able to continue playing to the level he had.
''People forget he is only 22, 23, he seems like he has been around forever. We didn't realise the extent of the problems [last year] because he is a tough kid by nature so to go down the path he did by playing injured was important for us.
''There is no doubt Ty missing a large chunk of the season was a reason we didn't go further than we could have, he is such an important player for us,'' Hardwick said.
''He is one of those players - and every side's got them … It is amazing the importance of those players.
''We are not expecting them to kick 40, 50 goals a year but we are expecting them to chip in with one or two but also the responsibility of that player is to keep the other defenders honest so we can actually isolate those players if Jack is getting double or triple-teamed.''
A year out, shoulders repaired and another year of getting bigger and stronger, he is a different-looking proposition on the field, which by extension makes Richmond a better side.
Since the introduction of the sub rule and potentially the cap on rotations, the second ruck has disappeared. And indeed more clubs are now looking at their forward structures and dropping the second tall forward and instead playing one key permanent forward and just the second tall as a ruck/forward in the Leigh Brown role.
''It is an interesting one whether you play three or two keys. You look at last year's grand final and Sydney and Hawthorn both played three forwards. We are a little bit similar this year with Jack, Ty and Luke McGuane or Todd Elton or these types of guys,'' Hardwick said.
Hardwick said the advantage of Vickery was that he was more than a clock-soaking relief ruck, for he may develop into a better mobile ruck than forward. Hardwick can see parallels with the career path of his former teammate Paul Salmon in beginning life forward then moving into the ruck. Perhaps another former Tiger, Brad Ottens, is an equally accurate example; the heavier and stronger he got the better his rucking became.
''His ability to use his finesse in the ruck is very good and something we haven't seen enough of yet because of the development of Ivan [Maric].
''This year he will probably do 40 per cent ruck work compared to last year 20 per cent. So we look to him taking more into his game.''
It creates a small poser for Carlton of who to play on Vickery and Riewoldt. Michael Jamison's pre-season form has not been strong - he had 10 goals kicked on him in the last two NAB Cup games - with Walker and Jon Brown running him up the ground and turning him around. He might be the man for Vickery.
Richmond at least now has a forward spread to raise questions of opponents.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/for-richmond-ty-and-jack-are-cause-and-effect-20130326-2gsax.html#ixzz2OgxOsNqR
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Vickery's biggest problem now is confidence - in himself and his team mates in him. Ty will need the first few games just to get used to playing and then to earn the respect back of others. Just needs to keep competing and getting into the oppositions mindset. If he can draw defenders away from Jack and compete evenly in ruck duels then that's a great start.
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For Richmond, Ty and Jack are cause and effect
(http://images.theage.com.au/2013/03/26/4142595/art-353-svHARDWICK-300x0.jpg)
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has a chat with Melbourne legend Garry Lyon during a Demons training session at Gosch's Paddock on Tuesday.
Jack Riewoldt kicked 65 goals last year, but 90 the year before. Ty Vickery played nine games last year, but every one the year before.
It is not a coincidence
Stopped reading after that. Who wrote this BS? Riewoldt kicked less in 2011 than he did in 2012. 90 goals LMFAO :lol Someone should do their homework. I guess now we know that stat we can say Vickery is holding back big Jack? And I think you'll find Jacky kicked more goals when Vickery went out of the side last year ;D So does this mean Vickery shouldn't be in the side? Or are stats just an absolute wank?
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Nice shorts gaddy, do they come in mens? :rolli
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Vickery's biggest problem now is confidence - in himself and his team mates in him. Ty will need the first few games just to get used to playing and then to earn the respect back of others. Just needs to keep competing and getting into the oppositions mindset. If he can draw defenders away from Jack and compete evenly in ruck duels then that's a great start.
i was thinking he lacked confidence in his shoulders, he'll be the big improver this year.
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Nice shorts gaddy, do they come in mens? :rolli
salmon dacks and white sunnies, who does this gimp think he is? at least dimma was laughing in his face
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No where to hide in this game for Ty, must make an impact!
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No where to hide in this game for Ty, must make an impact!
I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year due to injury, but agree he needs to get his finger out otherwise I'll get all Mr Tigra for the rest of the year and jump on the Zac Clarke wagon.
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ah the softie walks into a game no ifs or buts id play elton forward ready or not he at least will give a decent contest and wont shirk it.
poor old jack is going to have to beat 3 again because they wont give a toss about old softie.
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Craw sounds like you need to hit the scotch early.
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Welcome back TV of old. Back to the promise he showed in 2011. He made the most of Carlton being so Jack conscious.
Just one thing Ty - make sure you're paying attention next time Kingy goes to pass the ball to you when you're free at the top of the square lol.
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This is why Coach doesn't take notice of pre season form
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This is why Coach doesn't take notice of pre season form
Especially only one preseason game in the wet playing on a crap sandy surface. I actually thought TV was pretty good in the min-games against Melb. and North btw. Showed enough that his shoulders were fine and he could hold his marks as he did again last night.
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This is why Coach doesn't take notice of pre season form
;) ;D
Probably took a career high amount of marks last night. Need a haircut and shave though
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This is why Coach doesn't take notice of pre season form
;) ;D
Probably took a career high amount of marks last night. Need a haircut and shave though
I think they said he did. Nah, 2011=long hair, 2012=short hair, 2013=long hair. :rollin
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Hardwick said it was pleasing to see 22-year-old Ty Vickery stand up and kick three goals in the first half in an impressive performance.
"Ever since he went down last year we knew how important he was to our side," Hardwick said.
"He's going to be a long-term player for us. He's still got some things in his game he's got to work on but I was really pleased to see him work hard and get rewards early.
"He's a tough kid. He plays the game hard, he's competitive and it was good to see that come out in his game."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-29/mcguane-grabs-tiger-win
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No where to hide in this game for Ty, must make an impact!
I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year due to injury, but agree he needs to get his finger out otherwise I'll get all Mr Tigra for the rest of the year and jump on the Zac Clarke wagon.
Did us proud Dwaino!
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I will say it again and say another 10 times again we are 10 times better team with him there straightens us up bigtime.
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Hats off to the Shag Pile, he was great last night
Most pleasing thing was see him attack a contest at ground level in the 3rd without fear of getting his shoulders knocked
But agree Coach needs the shears on that mop top
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Battering ram.
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Was good to see him stick it up the doubting supporters :thumbsup
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Big game, this was the type of player we need him to be. :bow
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Hats off to the Shag Pile, he was great last night
Most please thing was see him attack a contest at ground level in the 3rd without fear of getting his shoulders knocked
But agree Coach needs the shears on that mop top
As long as it has not got the Sampson effect!
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I thought mark fines comments last night were a bit off the mark.he mentioned that Vicks in no superstar,which i thought was selling him very short.hes 22 ,a giant who has come back after multiple shoulder surgery.He has the potential to be just that a superstar
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ah the softie walks into a game no ifs or buts id play elton forward ready or not he at least will give a decent contest and wont shirk it.
poor old jack is going to have to beat 3 again because they wont give a toss about old softie.
Elton would have been lucky to get 3 kicks let alone 3 goals last night.
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I thought mark fines comments last night were a bit off the mark.he mentioned that Vicks in no superstar,which i thought was selling him very short.hes 22 ,a giant who has come back after multiple shoulder surgery.He has the potential to be just that a superstar
Could be everything Kosi (stkilda) was not. :shh
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Best game for Vickery. Didn't he look like Neanderthal man last night?
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ah the softie walks into a game no ifs or buts id play elton forward ready or not he at least will give a decent contest and wont shirk it.
poor old jack is going to have to beat 3 again because they wont give a toss about old softie.
Elton would have been lucky to get 3 kicks let alone 3 goals last night.
Note the deafening silence after a victory.
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Reminds me of a young robert walls (spit) If his shoulders hold he's going to be awesome to behold in 2013, just watch.
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keep the beard
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ah the softie walks into a game no ifs or buts id play elton forward ready or not he at least will give a decent contest and wont shirk it.
poor old jack is going to have to beat 3 again because they wont give a toss about old softie.
Prophetic words, certainly has a ring of no truth to it
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Hope he proves his doubters wrong.
I admit I was doubting his ability too but he really showed something last night.
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Tigra i think we would have seen the best of Ty last year if injury hadnt rendered him shot
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Tigra i think we would have seen the best of Ty last year if injury hadnt rendered him shot
You have it wrong he is soft, weak and scared
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scared of????
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scared of????
Apparently a contest according to some experts on this forum
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scared of????
Apparently a contest according to some experts on this forum
yep just ask Mitch robinson
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ah the softie walks into a game no ifs or buts id play elton forward ready or not he at least will give a decent contest and wont shirk it.
poor old jack is going to have to beat 3 again because they wont give a toss about old softie.
Elton would have been lucky to get 3 kicks let alone 3 goals last night.
Note the deafening silence after a victory.
I'll give him 48 hours to mourn the victory. Then another 2 weeks coz Perth are a bit delayed. :shh
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:lol
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Good to have you back, dad :thumbsup
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ah the softie walks into a game no ifs or buts id play elton forward ready or not he at least will give a decent contest and wont shirk it.
poor old jack is going to have to beat 3 again because they wont give a toss about old softie.
Elton would have been lucky to get 3 kicks let alone 3 goals last night.
Note the deafening silence after a victory.
lol ive posted on this board probably just twice in the last month if not longer.i come on seldom because of the abuse which is never pulled up. better to have a say and get out imo and then let the nuff nuffs go crazy.
on vickery well hallelujah he had a reasonable game yes reasonable. so some credit to him for raising the bar just a smidgeon. lets face it he could not continue to be as bad as hes been.
imo he continued to struggle when he rucked and i can tell you all i reckon elton would have posed just as big a threat.especially the way riewoldt was used. still gotta ask how many over head marks did he take. how many contested marks for that matter. how well did he compete in the air in general. well apart from knocking a bloke on his arse whos 1 or 2 feet shorter than him and about 2 stone lighter in a marking contest what did he achieve. nothing another player would not have achived imo. got on the lead because of the space riewoldt created that space would have been created for who ever played.
he at least got a bit of ball and kicked a few goals but he continues to struggle in the areas you want 200cm players to excel in.
one reasonable game does not make a season or a player but you wouldnt know that the way people defend him and talk him up. anyway see ya in about a week or two. abuse away till your hearts content.
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Todd elton would have been eaten alive out there,at this moment in time he wouldnt offer half what Ty does
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Bravo Tyrone. More of that please!!!!!
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ah the softie walks into a game no ifs or buts id play elton forward ready or not he at least will give a decent contest and wont shirk it.
poor old jack is going to have to beat 3 again because they wont give a toss about old softie.
Elton would have been lucky to get 3 kicks let alone 3 goals last night.
Note the deafening silence after a victory.
lol ive posted on this board probably just twice in the last month if not longer.i come on seldom because of the abuse which is never pulled up. better to have a say and get out imo and then let the nuff nuffs go crazy.
on vickery well hallelujah he had a reasonable game yes reasonable. so some credit to him for raising the bar just a smidgeon. lets face it he could not continue to be as bad as hes been.
imo he continued to struggle when he rucked and i can tell you all i reckon elton would have posed just as big a threat.especially the way riewoldt was used. still gotta ask how many over head marks did he take. how many contested marks for that matter. how well did he compete in the air in general. well apart from knocking a bloke on his arse whos 1 or 2 feet shorter than him and about 2 stone lighter in a marking contest what did he achieve. nothing another player would not have achived imo. got on the lead because of the space riewoldt created that space would have been created for who ever played.
he at least got a bit of ball and kicked a few goals but he continues to struggle in the areas you want 200cm players to excel in.
one reasonable game does not make a season or a player but you wouldnt know that the way people defend him and talk him up. anyway see ya in about a week or two. abuse away till your hearts content.
Elton would have kicked 1.3, not 3.1.
I made a statement. It's hardly abuse. Stop being a sook and grow some stones. That's abuse. See the difference?
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ah the softie walks into a game no ifs or buts id play elton forward ready or not he at least will give a decent contest and wont shirk it.
poor old jack is going to have to beat 3 again because they wont give a toss about old softie.
Elton would have been lucky to get 3 kicks let alone 3 goals last night.
Note the deafening silence after a victory.
lol ive posted on this board probably just twice in the last month if not longer.i come on seldom because of the abuse which is never pulled up. better to have a say and get out imo and then let the nuff nuffs go crazy.
on vickery well hallelujah he had a reasonable game yes reasonable. so some credit to him for raising the bar just a smidgeon. lets face it he could not continue to be as bad as hes been.
imo he continued to struggle when he rucked and i can tell you all i reckon elton would have posed just as big a threat.especially the way riewoldt was used. still gotta ask how many over head marks did he take. how many contested marks for that matter. how well did he compete in the air in general. well apart from knocking a bloke on his arse whos 1 or 2 feet shorter than him and about 2 stone lighter in a marking contest what did he achieve. nothing another player would not have achived imo. got on the lead because of the space riewoldt created that space would have been created for who ever played.
he at least got a bit of ball and kicked a few goals but he continues to struggle in the areas you want 200cm players to excel in.
one reasonable game does not make a season or a player but you wouldnt know that the way people defend him and talk him up. anyway see ya in about a week or two. abuse away till your hearts content.
Elton would have kicked 1.3, not 3.1.
I made a statement. It's hardly abuse. Stop being a sook and grow some stones. That's abuse. See the difference?
I doubt the 1 in that 1.3 but other than that well said :clapping
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poor Ty..he comes back this season after having multiple surgery,has a dog of a pre season ,and then first game of the season contributes signaficantly to our win and some people arent happy,maybe that says more about their football knowledge than anything else
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poor Ty..he comes back this season after having multiple surgery,has a dog of a pre season ,and then first game of the season contributes signaficantly to our win and some people arent happy,maybe that says more about their football knowledge than anything else
Exactly plus he is a young big KPF and people expect him to be dominating when he wont mature for a couple years yet
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poor Ty..he comes back this season after having multiple surgery,has a dog of a pre season ,and then first game of the season contributes signaficantly to our win and some people arent happy,maybe that says more about their football knowledge than anything else
X2, he was great, really threw himself a everything, shirked nothing! Should of had 5..
Well done Ty. :clapping
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I thought Henderspud was quite good on him TBH
Lolz
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Hendo last week, maybe Gwilt this week!!!! Perhaps Sam Gilbert if he's really unlucky!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
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How important is TV to our future? Shaping as the best KPF from his draft year.
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How important is TV to our future? Shaping as the best KPF from his draft year.
Fat boy Hurley dislikes this.
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How important is TV to our future? Shaping as the best KPF from his draft year.
Fat boy Hurley dislikes this.
Hahah yeah that is a woeful call. The Fat Man takes that honour by a mile
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How important is TV to our future? Shaping as the best KPF from his draft year.
Fat boy Hurley dislikes this.
Hahah yeah that is a woeful call. The Fat Man takes that honour by a mile
TV coming home with a wet sail over fat boy.
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Hurley would get a game at Richmond ahead of Griffiths, Astbury, Lockup and McG
How many players in the comp can say that?
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Hurley would get a game at Richmond ahead of Griffiths, Astbury, Lockup and McG
How many players in the comp can say that?
No one at Coburg. :shh
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I nearly shat when I saw Vicks nearly do his knee though, did anyone else see that? I thought he was gone for a minute there
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I nearly shat when I saw Vicks nearly do his knee though, did anyone else see that? I thought he was gone for a minute there
Yep, think it was early in the 1st. Didn't look the best and lucky it wasn't anything serious.
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Hurley would get a game at Richmond ahead of Griffiths, Astbury, Lockup and McG
How many players in the comp can say that?
:lol
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How important is TV to our future? Shaping as the best KPF from his draft year.
Fat boy Hurley dislikes this.
Hahah yeah that is a woeful call. The Fat Man takes that honour by a mile
Dont rate him as a forward
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how strange no comments on the big softy this week. what we dont want to talk about it when he reverts to type. and im accused of only posting when it suits now thats funny.
he didnt have a lot to beat and got his pants pulled down. but not one poster wants to mention it.
bt my count one barely passable game and a howler to go with the atrocious pre season and even worse season last yr.
oh well lets keep the blinkers on shall we oh and abuse away no ones listeneing. i will see ya all next week.
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Lol, must be pleasing when a young kpf still developing has an off game to allow you to vent your hate
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how strange no comments on the big softy this week. what we dont want to talk about it when he reverts to type. and im accused of only posting when it suits now thats funny.
he didnt have a lot to beat and got his pants pulled down. but not one poster wants to mention it.
bt my count one barely passable game and a howler to go with the atrocious pre season and even worse season last yr.
oh well lets keep the blinkers on shall we oh and abuse away no ones listeneing. i will see ya all next week.
You were quiet last week?
anyhow, I dont think he had a howler, was quiet but thats going to happen. Important thing is both Ty and mcGuane are finally giving Jack some space to work in and can finally see some structure up fwd.
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Noted the comments reported from Hardwick.
Don't know if the comparison is meant as a spur to Vickery but saying he loses out to McGuane in terms of competitiveness and that is why he was subbed off should light a fire under Ty if he wants a solid place in the Richmond team.
* Needed some run so we always were going to swap a tall with a small (sub on Ellis). The decision was which tall. Vickery was good but McGuane had kicked two and two out on the full. Love the way Luke competes and he is playing well. Like Kingy the players love playing alongside him and having him around the Club. He brings that "down and dirty" attitude to our forward line with his competitiveness.
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Thought he had a poor game. Got into Jacks way atleast 3 times and spoiled Jack chance of marking the footy.
Ty needs to have a better understanding of what's happening around him.
He's got to learn when to pull out at the last minute when he can see jack has the sit. Good blocking is a major part of forward line play but you've got to be clever about it so as not to get pinged for shepherding.
Vicks might have to watch video of how Jack did it for him last week.
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Lol, must be pleasing when a young kpf still developing has an off game to allow you to vent your hate
:clapping
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well said chuck
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Troll, flog, or both
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love the word "flog' its so australian...just wondering where its origins are?
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Give Vickery time lads!
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love the word "flog' its so australian...just wondering where its origins are?
Collingwood
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:thumbsup
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One game wonder
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More disciplined this week, but still a bit below average of a game
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More disciplined this week, but still a bit below average of a game
Agree Chuck but I think we need to look at his game as part of the Riewoldt/Vickery/McGuane triumvirate. I reckon those 3 are making it so hard for the opposition to match up on that at least one of them is having a significant impact every week. On that premise I'm happy to give him some more time/latitude, especially as he's giving Maric a better chop out in the ruck nowadays but I would like to see him be the best tall forward in the next couple of weeks.
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More disciplined this week, but still a bit below average of a game
X 2
But thought Roughhead was impressive though
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his work at ground level was pretty good for a big man, but i just want to see him crash a few more packs. the funny thing is that when he does some complain about him taking out jack.
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another in a long line of very ordinary performances today. at some stage hardwick is going to have to draw a line in the sand and demand he performs or get dropped. atm hes being gifted games when he doesnt deserve em.
i will say again with what we are getting from vickery atm we would be better of getting a game into elton for the experience or start the transition of griffiths to ff where he belongs.
again just 3 marks and was there a contested one.
he may move well and look good when the ball is on the ground but its in the air we want him to make an impact.
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another in a long line of very ordinary performances today. at some stage hardwick is going to have to draw a line in the sand and demand he performs or get dropped. atm hes being gifted games when he doesnt deserve em.
i will say again with what we are getting from vickery atm we would be better of getting a game into elton for the experience or start the transition of griffiths to ff where he belongs.
again just 3 marks and was there a contested one.
he may move well and look good when the ball is on the ground but its in the air we want him to make an impact.
McBean the darkhorse!
Astbury lurking too.
But I support Tyrone. :thumbsup
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another in a long line of very ordinary performances today. at some stage hardwick is going to have to draw a line in the sand and demand he performs or get dropped. atm hes being gifted games when he doesnt deserve em.
i will say again with what we are getting from vickery atm we would be better of getting a game into elton for the experience or start the transition of griffiths to ff where he belongs.
again just 3 marks and was there a contested one.
he may move well and look good when the ball is on the ground but its in the air we want him to make an impact.
And another, in a long line of anti Vickery/Richmond posts
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another in a long line of very ordinary performances today. at some stage hardwick is going to have to draw a line in the sand and demand he performs or get dropped. atm hes being gifted games when he doesnt deserve em.
i will say again with what we are getting from vickery atm we would be better of getting a game into elton for the experience or start the transition of griffiths to ff where he belongs.
again just 3 marks and was there a contested one.
he may move well and look good when the ball is on the ground but its in the air we want him to make an impact.
And another, in a long line of anti Vickery/Richmond posts
utter hogs wash nothing anti vickery or richmond about it. when he plays well he will get the credit he deserves. its about performance nothing more nothing less.
the simple facts are hes been very poor and hes been poor for a long while. if you want nothing but sugar coating go to the richmond site. im just telling the truth.
if you take the blinkers off and look i give credit to em even the ones i think we need to replace . mcguane king for example. ive even praised todays performance because i thought they played well with much less mistakes and better pressure and intensity.
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claw
U R WRONG
PERIOD
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another in a long line of very ordinary performances today. at some stage hardwick is going to have to draw a line in the sand and demand he performs or get dropped. atm hes being gifted games when he doesnt deserve em.
i will say again with what we are getting from vickery atm we would be better of getting a game into elton for the experience or start the transition of griffiths to ff where he belongs.
again just 3 marks and was there a contested one.
he may move well and look good when the ball is on the ground but its in the air we want him to make an impact.
And another, in a long line of anti Vickery/Richmond posts
utter hogs wash nothing anti vickery or richmond about it. when he plays well he will get the credit he deserves. its about performance nothing more nothing less.
the simple facts are hes been very poor and hes been poor for a long while. if you want nothing but sugar coating go to the richmond site. im just telling the truth.
if you take the blinkers off and look i give credit to em even the ones i think we need to replace . mcguane king for example. ive even praised todays performance because i thought they played well with much less mistakes and better pressure and intensity.
I'd agree with you but you didn't give enough credit to him in his round 1 game, you said you give him credit but then you went on and complained about every aspect of his game
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Clearly our worst player.
The lack of effort is getting embarrassing.
Third quarter I watched him come off the bench.
Jogged the first ten yards, looked to see the bounce wasn't ready yet so he then slowed to a walk and strolled to his position forward.
Needs to get a rocket.
He may get a shock if Orren continues to show ability to kick goals.
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Orren is too unco, slow.
Griffiths should be next cab off the rank. Follow by in no order: Mcbean. Elton. Astbury.
Not Aaron Edwards.
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I wonder if he is any good, then again what is he, 22?
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Dimma and crew ,from what they have said so far..seem to love his contribution
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The forward mix is working well and Maric is getting a regular chop out in Ruck. He's playing his role.
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I wonder if he is any good, then again what is he, 22?
Correct.
Is well ahead Watts. The #1 of the same draft pool. As a ruckman especially should be granted more time.
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Lennie the wonder lizard is ahead of watts
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against the saints he subbed off because of his lack of intensity.
yeah, needs a rocket.
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I wonder if he is any good, then again what is he, 22?
Correct.
Is well ahead Watts. The #1 of the same draft pool. As a ruckman especially should be granted more time.
lol he doesnt play ruck 90% of the time. we make all sorts of excuses for em.
sydney play two ruckmen why cant we. why cant we play mcguane riewoldt and griffiths forward other sides do exactly that sort of thing .
another lousy performance today apart from a mark 2nd quarter.
why is it people want to keep on rewarding very ordinary performances. are we changing the culture or not. if we are he has to go and we try something different in the short term.
if we keep on going the way we are with vickery we will end up with a player who does two roles kpf and ruck and does neither well.
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I've lost patience with Vicks. If Elton plays well tomorrow, I'd be open to a change.
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Mixed bag from him today. He was ok in fits and starts and pretty awful for large parts. Really needs to lift intensity levels when he's not getting involved much in the game, he laid a really lazy one handed tackle on Lynch on their half forward line at one stage that was unacceptable. Lynch brushged it off and bombed it to the square. He really needs to cut that crap out of his game, happens too often.
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Thought he was terrible today TBH. Offered little
He is a big bloke have to ask why he doesn't use it to his advantage :huh
Seemed to lack desperation and willingness to hit packs hard today. No intensity either
One good game (read rd 1) doesn't make a season.
Very disappointing very disappointing
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If only we had another player who could fill the role and is performing, don't believe in gifting a game to someone else who isn't performing
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He is a big bloke have to ask why he doesn't use it to his advantage :huh
He does when it comes to jumper punching :shh
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perhaps its time to play two ruckmen?
we have a bloke playing with coburg, who although is old enough to be my dad and is no world beater, is at least hungry and will bring the intensity both our ruckmen are lacking atm
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Thought he was terrible today TBH. Offered little
He is a big bloke have to ask why he doesn't use it to his advantage :huh
Seemed to lack desperation and willingness to hit packs hard today. No intensity either
One good game (read rd 1) doesn't make a season.
Very disappointing very disappointing
What is it going to take to turn this bloke around WP? He seems to have the perfect shape, size and skills, what is it with him? I really fear him being traded to a team like the Swans.......
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Thought he was terrible today TBH. Offered little
He is a big bloke have to ask why he doesn't use it to his advantage :huh
Seemed to lack desperation and willingness to hit packs hard today. No intensity either
One good game (read rd 1) doesn't make a season.
Very disappointing very disappointing
What is it going to take to turn this bloke around WP? He seems to have the perfect shape, size and skills, what is it with him? I really fear him being traded to a team like the Swans.......
Seriously WAT I thought a couple of times he played "soft" in the contest. By that I mean he seemed to more concerned with not getting a whack to his shoulders by the bigger bodied Pies than actually putting his body on the line. That's what I found most annoying and disappointing.
At the minute I think he isn't earning his place and I reckon it's time for a rocket and that means back the VFL for a minimum period. I'd be saying you are going back for 3 weeks no ifs buts or maybes. No more gifted games for you, we want some consistency from you and until you give is 3 games where you are hitting packs, chasing and some showing some mongrel then you stay at the VFL
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Thought he was terrible today TBH. Offered little
He is a big bloke have to ask why he doesn't use it to his advantage :huh
Seemed to lack desperation and willingness to hit packs hard today. No intensity either
One good game (read rd 1) doesn't make a season.
Very disappointing very disappointing
What is it going to take to turn this bloke around WP? He seems to have the perfect shape, size and skills, what is it with him? I really fear him being traded to a team like the Swans.......
Seriously WAT I thought a couple of times he played "soft" in the contest. By that I mean he seemed to more concerned with not getting a whack to his shoulders by the bigger bodied Pies than actually putting his body on the line. That's what I found most annoying and disappointing.
At the minute I think he isn't earning his place and I reckon it's time for a rocket and that means back the VFL for a minimum period. I'd be saying you are going back for 3 weeks no ifs buts or maybes. No more gifted games for you, we want some consistency from you and until you give is 3 games where you are hitting packs, chasing and some showing some mongrel then you stay at the VFL
Yes I think you are dead right WP, he needs to earn that spot, it's not just a given, maybe if Elton plays well tomorrow the switch could be on!
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Thought he was terrible today TBH. Offered little
He is a big bloke have to ask why he doesn't use it to his advantage :huh
Seemed to lack desperation and willingness to hit packs hard today. No intensity either
One good game (read rd 1) doesn't make a season.
Very disappointing very disappointing
What is it going to take to turn this bloke around WP? He seems to have the perfect shape, size and skills, what is it with him? I really fear him being traded to a team like the Swans.......
Seriously WAT I thought a couple of times he played "soft" in the contest. By that I mean he seemed to more concerned with not getting a whack to his shoulders by the bigger bodied Pies than actually putting his body on the line. That's what I found most annoying and disappointing.
At the minute I think he isn't earning his place and I reckon it's time for a rocket and that means back the VFL for a minimum period. I'd be saying you are going back for 3 weeks no ifs buts or maybes. No more gifted games for you, we want some consistency from you and until you give is 3 games where you are hitting packs, chasing and some showing some mongrel then you stay at the VFL
agreed.
Elton, WP? He kicked four two weeks ago for Coburg. Last week Coburg were smashed in the wet, but if he plays well this weekend he might be a chance.
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At the mo he seems to do one good thing followed by two ordinary acts, a cople of his efforts at making a contest looked at best clumsy at worst soft....i really hope pressure comes frommcoburg in the shape of elton
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Too bad the beaner wiener isn't a couple more years further developed.
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Elton, WP? He kicked four two weeks ago for Coburg. Last week Coburg were smashed in the wet, but if he plays well this weekend he might be a chance.
IMV part of the problem we have is the fact that Vickery relieves in the ruck.
My concern is who at Coburg gives us that cover?
Elton doesn't give us that. McBean isn't ready. Griffiths? I am not sure he can either
That's the problem we've got I reckon
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Doesnt Elton help out at Coburg?
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i think it was the string bean that kicked 4 a couple of weeks ago not elton?
If they play the stick insect they'll need the bruce reed sticky tape i reckon.
Time to play two rucks and one rests up forward. give the old fella a go.
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i think it was the string bean that kicked 4 a couple of weeks ago not elton?
If they play the stick insect they'll need the bruce reed sticky tape i reckon.
Time to play two rucks and one rests up forward. give the old fella a go.
Elton kicked four too. As did Beany and A. Edwards.
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forgot about lock up
a good performance tomorrow from him may seem him replace the weapon.
Id near pee myself seeing the cooneyites reaction to that.
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At the mo he seems to do one good thing followed by two ordinary acts, a cople of his efforts at making a contest looked at best clumsy at worst soft....i really hope pressure comes frommcoburg in the shape of elton
actually BJ, that is pretty close to the mark
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forgot about lock up
a good performance tomorrow from him may seem him replace the weapon.
Id near pee myself seeing the cooneyites reaction to that.
Secret weapon is our Azza :lol
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Pea heart. Played soft. That easy mark he dropped was woeful.
Back to Coburg for Ty.
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i like him, hes still young and is getting bigger,. he probably looks for to many frees which stops him going full tilt. But so does Jack at times. Maybe that is the problem with our forward line? They're looking for frees and not just playing football.
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I would actually like to see Griff give a go instead of Vicks if he is dropped, would not be surprised if they bring in Edwards though...
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Thought he was terrible today TBH. Offered little
He is a big bloke have to ask why he doesn't use it to his advantage :huh
Seemed to lack desperation and willingness to hit packs hard today. No intensity either
One good game (read rd 1) doesn't make a season.
Very disappointing very disappointing
What is it going to take to turn this bloke around WP? He seems to have the perfect shape, size and skills, what is it with him? I really fear him being traded to a team like the Swans.......
Seriously WAT I thought a couple of times he played "soft" in the contest. By that I mean he seemed to more concerned with not getting a whack to his shoulders by the bigger bodied Pies than actually putting his body on the line. That's what I found most annoying and disappointing.
At the minute I think he isn't earning his place and I reckon it's time for a rocket and that means back the VFL for a minimum period. I'd be saying you are going back for 3 weeks no ifs buts or maybes. No more gifted games for you, we want some consistency from you and until you give is 3 games where you are hitting packs, chasing and some showing some mongrel then you stay at the VFL
The Swans would expect nothing less if he was hypothetically to be traded and play for them. Who's responsible for his development at the club?
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I would actually like to see Griff give a go instead of Vicks if he is dropped, would not be surprised if they bring in Edwards though...
Agreed, if he gets dropped and not sure he will or should, but if he does Griff must come in
Griff has flexibility at least.
Edwards please what part of our future can he be. Pass. He may help us pinch a game here or there but only hides the fact that we need more class.
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I would actually like to see Griff give a go instead of Vicks if he is dropped, would not be surprised if they bring in Edwards though...
Agreed, if he gets dropped and not sure he will or should, but if he does Griff must come in
Griff has flexibility at least.
Edwards please what part of our future can he be. Pass. He may help us pinch a game here or there but only hides the fact that we need more class.
I was never and am still not an A.Edwards supporter, but the way clubs think these days it would not shock me if he plays well today that he is called up, would be a mistake I agree.
On Griff, will be interesting to see if they play him up forward and in the ruck a bit today, that maybe an indication of his selection next week should he perform.
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TY is a giant and hes 22......give him a break
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TY is a giant and hes 22......give him a break
Yes he is and yes he is, but that does not excuse him shirking his responsibilities to the team!!
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WA tiger i agree he was awful at times yesterday but he wasnt robinson crusoe there..Dustys ball watching on the wing when he should have attacked the ball.ellis capitulation meakly to swans slight hip nudge in front of their goal,the list is endless WA.
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But TV has barely given a yelp in a month of football. Griff has one shocker and dropped
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Vickery needs to be told to RUN and JUMP and LEAP for the mark!
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i dont think its rocket science.
vickery is stuggling but i ask what does he bring structurally. well that is simple he relieves maric in the ruck and does it poorly atm and he plays kp forward and gives little apart from the odd glimpse.
if i recall ivan showed at adelaide that he is more than capable of resting forward so bring in a ruckman to do one of vickerys roles.
bring in a genuine tall forward to do the other role.
two options with the rucks bring in a pure ruck in stephenson or bring in a bloke whos been groomed as a ruck/for in derickx and see what he can offer.
the obvious option up forward is griffiths plonk him at ff play riewoldt at chf and leave mcguane as a third tall target.
we really need foley fit and vlastuin and helbig into the team and playing well. once again the lack of polish from regulars was the down fall of us.
if we want to be a finals side we indeed need to be able to change it around when things fail or players are out of form. it is time to change it around surely we have seen enough of the same blokes fail as soon as the real pressure is applied. leopards do not change their spots and older footballers do not magically fix very obvious weaknesses in their games.
on vickery i agree with wp send him back to coburg for 3 to 5 weeks and give him the first ruck role. get him playing hard at it aggressive footy, get him hitting into opponents hard, get him putting his body on the line ffs, and get him clunking overhead marks regularly. only then get him back into the side and see what he can give.
in the mean time lets try other options lets even as a last resort get some games into younger blokes just for the experience. we have options stephenson as a ruck, derickx as a ruck/for, elton astbury and griffiths as key forwards. if we cant make a change to personell when its badly needed just how far do people realistically think we can go this yr.
on ellis.
he was always going to get out marked by swan and look silly. its what happens in a marking contest when a 180cm 81kg player goes up against a 185cm/93kg player completely out gunned in all departments and it showed. im more inclined to ask how did that mismatch happen. yes theres a few areas ellis can be better at but for a second yr player im pretty happy with his progress.
finally the tackling and intensity across the board combined with the lack of polish continues to dog us. it may suffice against the lesser sides or sides off their game but it goes to pieces against the better sides.
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TY is a giant and hes 22......give him a break
Yes on the first 2 and a big no for point number 3
Point 1 is the very reason that makes his efforts from yesterday all the more disappointing not to mention frustrating.
He is a big unit and if nothing else he should use it whether that be to intimidate or just to crash packs. Currently he isn't for what ever reason and against good sides we cannot afford to have key forward offering nothing in contests
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WP i agree that Ty has to stamp himself physically more,however it was barely 3 weeks ago that he played 10 pin bowling with the carlton backline sending Mitch robinson into cloud cuckoo land
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I would actually like to see Griff give a go instead of Vicks if he is dropped, would not be surprised if they bring in Edwards though...
Couldn't agree more.
Griffiths is better forward option than Ty. Ty a better second ruck. Maybe we should play both in the forward line and stretch defenses. Both are agile and so when the ball hits the ground they are still in the contest. They must however learn to stay away from each other and have their own zones.
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WP i agree that Ty has to stamp himself physically more,however it was barely 3 weeks ago that he played 10 pin bowling with the carlton backline sending Mitch robinson into cloud cuckoo land
True but as someone else pointed out Griffiths had one shocker and got dropped
1 good game doesn't make a season and how many chances does he get?
he's had 3 in a row now and some point you have to say enough is enough. Cannot continue to gift games IMHO
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Need a true CHF if this team is going to have any real impact. Whether thats Ty or Griffiths stepping up, we need someone.
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Need a true CHF if this team is going to have any real impact. Whether thats Ty or Griffiths stepping up, we need someone.
Yep.
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I would actually like to see Griff give a go instead of Vicks if he is dropped, would not be surprised if they bring in Edwards though...
Couldn't agree more.
Griffiths is better forward option than Ty. Ty a better second ruck. Maybe we should play both in the forward line and stretch defenses. Both are agile and so when the ball hits the ground they are still in the contest. They must however learn to stay away from each other and have their own zones.
all well and good, but do you risk the paper mache man in the ruck?
Mcguane?
whomever replaces ty, IF, he is dropped, has to be able to help out in the ruck. even more so seems as Ivan doesn't appear to be 100%
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Al, get the big zero. He can ruck but not play forward and with Ty it's the other way around but without any real application.
Ty compromising team ethos ATM, big zero wont
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yeah, that is my thought, but this discussion was about dropping dropping ty for griffiths, which leaves us a ruck option short.
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The problem is Oren is slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough to play afl as a forward option.
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Need a true CHF if this team is going to have any real impact. Whether thats Ty or Griffiths stepping up, we need someone.
we have a good chf we just need to play him there his name is jack.
i have to ask how do sydney go about playing both mumford and pyke. surely they mostly swap off the bench and have the odd stint forward. as stated earlier ivan showed at adelaide he can play forward.
seems we are looking for reasons to not try something different despite the poor form of vickery over a long period .
here something different.
lets say vickery goes down injured what do we do then? play a sore ivan by himself.
the way i look at it vickery is badly out of touch and its an opportunity to try and find some real depth and create a genuine option for when injuries do occur. it also gives us an opportunity to run vickery into some form at the lower level and find some belief in himself.
we must stop gifting games because we percieve there is no other options. create the options and just try something different for a short while.
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The problem is Oren is slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough to play afl as a forward option.
so dont play him as a forward.play him purely as a ruckman and send ivan forward and play griffiths as a ff. what rule says he must play as a forward. other sides are playing two ruckmen.
big o will come up against griffen and possibly clark both second stringers. if it gets out of hand theres always ivan. ivan is definately sore and struggling why not give him a game where he spends 50% in the ruck 10 % forward and 40 % on the bench
as for griffiths. dawson johnson and mcpharlin make em accountable give em a like for like opponent
mcpharlin v riewoldt up the ground.
dawson v griffiths in the goal square
johnson v mcguane with mcguane keeping him honest defensively.
ivan resting down there now and then with the big o spending significant time in the ruck.
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The problem is Oren is slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough to play afl as a forward option.
so dont play him as a forward.play him purely as a ruckman and send ivan forward and play griffiths as a ff. what rule says he must play as a forward. other sides are playing two ruckmen.
big o will come up against griffen and possibly clark both second stringers. if it gets out of hand theres always ivan. ivan is definately sore and struggling why not give him a game where he spends 50% in the ruck 10 % forward and 40 % on the bench
My thought is that he will be slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough wherever he plays, may as well as kept the King Island Cream Puff
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The problem is Oren is slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough to play afl as a forward option.
so dont play him as a forward.play him purely as a ruckman and send ivan forward and play griffiths as a ff. what rule says he must play as a forward. other sides are playing two ruckmen.
big o will come up against griffen and possibly clark both second stringers. if it gets out of hand theres always ivan. ivan is definately sore and struggling why not give him a game where he spends 50% in the ruck 10 % forward and 40 % on the bench
My thought is that he will be slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough wherever he plays, may as well as kept the King Island Cream Puff
what you hedging your bets. he is slow he is old and he lacks agility. no he will be anything.
but as a ruckman he competes and he goes okay. something both graham and vickery dont didnt do. certainly get more out of him in the ruck than vickery who has a heart the size of a pea. geez again mumford and pyke are slow and lack agility pyke is what 29yo so one of them is old.
to me now is the ideal time to give this bloke a game and take some work load off big ivan who is clearly struggling.
your going to be real unhappy if ivan has to start taking every other week off to manage his problem. touchy things groins.
simply put stephenson is in better form than vickery atm play him and give ivan a decent rest. imo ivan has played some decent footy for adelaide prmarily as a forward. always taken marks forward and as such has to respected.
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what you hedging your bets. he is slow he is old and he lacks agility. no he will be anything.
but as a ruckman he competes and he goes okay. something both graham and vickery dont didnt do. certainly get more out of him in the ruck than vickery who has a heart the size of a pea. geez again mumford and pyke are slow and lack agility pyke is what 29yo so one of them is old.
to me now is the ideal time to give this bloke a game and take some work load off big ivan who is clearly struggling.
your going to be real unhappy if ivan has to start taking every other week off to manage his problem. touchy things groins.
simply put stephenson is in better form than vickery atm play him and give ivan a decent rest. imo ivan has played some decent footy for adelaide prmarily as a forward. always taken marks forward and as such has to respected.
Good post Claw, agree fully.
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what you hedging your bets. he is slow he is old and he lacks agility. no he will be anything.
but as a ruckman he competes and he goes okay. something both graham and vickery dont didnt do. certainly get more out of him in the ruck than vickery who has a heart the size of a pea. geez again mumford and pyke are slow and lack agility pyke is what 29yo so one of them is old.
to me now is the ideal time to give this bloke a game and take some work load off big ivan who is clearly struggling.
your going to be real unhappy if ivan has to start taking every other week off to manage his problem. touchy things groins.
simply put stephenson is in better form than vickery atm play him and give ivan a decent rest. imo ivan has played some decent footy for adelaide prmarily as a forward. always taken marks forward and as such has to respected.
depends whose groin it is
:lol
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The problem is Oren is slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough to play afl as a forward option.
so dont play him as a forward.play him purely as a ruckman and send ivan forward and play griffiths as a ff. what rule says he must play as a forward. other sides are playing two ruckmen.
big o will come up against griffen and possibly clark both second stringers. if it gets out of hand theres always ivan. ivan is definately sore and struggling why not give him a game where he spends 50% in the ruck 10 % forward and 40 % on the bench
My thought is that he will be slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough wherever he plays, may as well as kept the King Island Cream Puff
what you hedging your bets. he is slow he is old and he lacks agility. no he will be anything.
but as a ruckman he competes and he goes okay. something both graham and vickery dont didnt do. certainly get more out of him in the ruck than vickery who has a heart the size of a pea. geez again mumford and pyke are slow and lack agility pyke is what 29yo so one of them is old.
to me now is the ideal time to give this bloke a game and take some work load off big ivan who is clearly struggling.
your going to be real unhappy if ivan has to start taking every other week off to manage his problem. touchy things groins.
simply put stephenson is in better form than vickery atm play him and give ivan a decent rest. imo ivan has played some decent footy for adelaide prmarily as a forward. always taken marks forward and as such has to respected.
The real odd thing is that you keep on going on about getting games into the young cubs but right here instead of getting games into a developing KPF you want to give a 30 year old games who isn't up to AFL standard.
It's like you have a personal issue against Vickery
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The problem is Oren is slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough to play afl as a forward option.
so dont play him as a forward.play him purely as a ruckman and send ivan forward and play griffiths as a ff. what rule says he must play as a forward. other sides are playing two ruckmen.
big o will come up against griffen and possibly clark both second stringers. if it gets out of hand theres always ivan. ivan is definately sore and struggling why not give him a game where he spends 50% in the ruck 10 % forward and 40 % on the bench
My thought is that he will be slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough wherever he plays, may as well as kept the King Island Cream Puff
what you hedging your bets. he is slow he is old and he lacks agility. no he will be anything.
but as a ruckman he competes and he goes okay. something both graham and vickery dont didnt do. certainly get more out of him in the ruck than vickery who has a heart the size of a pea. geez again mumford and pyke are slow and lack agility pyke is what 29yo so one of them is old.
to me now is the ideal time to give this bloke a game and take some work load off big ivan who is clearly struggling.
your going to be real unhappy if ivan has to start taking every other week off to manage his problem. touchy things groins.
simply put stephenson is in better form than vickery atm play him and give ivan a decent rest. imo ivan has played some decent footy for adelaide prmarily as a forward. always taken marks forward and as such has to respected.
The real odd thing is that you keep on going on about getting games into the young cubs but right here instead of getting games into a developing KPF you want to give a 30 year old games who isn't up to AFL standard.
It's like you have a personal issue against Vickery
:clapping
Claw always bangs on about structure, leaving players where they've always played etc. but really that's just his excuse for getting players in or out.
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Very lucky again :-\
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On his last chance I would think.
Despite his two goals last week was absolutely hopeless.
Very lucky boy.
At some point in time you just have to think about Griff or Astbury and demand that they need to stay on the park and not in the medical room.
Ben Griffiths is fast becoming our version of Scott Gumbleton.
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The problem is Oren is slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough to play afl as a forward option.
so dont play him as a forward.play him purely as a ruckman and send ivan forward and play griffiths as a ff. what rule says he must play as a forward. other sides are playing two ruckmen.
big o will come up against griffen and possibly clark both second stringers. if it gets out of hand theres always ivan. ivan is definately sore and struggling why not give him a game where he spends 50% in the ruck 10 % forward and 40 % on the bench
My thought is that he will be slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough wherever he plays, may as well as kept the King Island Cream Puff
what you hedging your bets. he is slow he is old and he lacks agility. no he will be anything.
but as a ruckman he competes and he goes okay. something both graham and vickery dont didnt do. certainly get more out of him in the ruck than vickery who has a heart the size of a pea. geez again mumford and pyke are slow and lack agility pyke is what 29yo so one of them is old.
to me now is the ideal time to give this bloke a game and take some work load off big ivan who is clearly struggling.
your going to be real unhappy if ivan has to start taking every other week off to manage his problem. touchy things groins.
simply put stephenson is in better form than vickery atm play him and give ivan a decent rest. imo ivan has played some decent footy for adelaide prmarily as a forward. always taken marks forward and as such has to respected.
Pyke is a hell of an athlete. But yeah Iv prob run out of patience with Ty so not against giving the big old slow O a run
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The problem is Oren is slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough to play afl as a forward option.
so dont play him as a forward.play him purely as a ruckman and send ivan forward and play griffiths as a ff. what rule says he must play as a forward. other sides are playing two ruckmen.
big o will come up against griffen and possibly clark both second stringers. if it gets out of hand theres always ivan. ivan is definately sore and struggling why not give him a game where he spends 50% in the ruck 10 % forward and 40 % on the bench
My thought is that he will be slow, old, non agile and pretty much just not good enough wherever he plays, may as well as kept the King Island Cream Puff
what you hedging your bets. he is slow he is old and he lacks agility. no he will be anything.
but as a ruckman he competes and he goes okay. something both graham and vickery dont didnt do. certainly get more out of him in the ruck than vickery who has a heart the size of a pea. geez again mumford and pyke are slow and lack agility pyke is what 29yo so one of them is old.
to me now is the ideal time to give this bloke a game and take some work load off big ivan who is clearly struggling.
your going to be real unhappy if ivan has to start taking every other week off to manage his problem. touchy things groins.
simply put stephenson is in better form than vickery atm play him and give ivan a decent rest. imo ivan has played some decent footy for adelaide prmarily as a forward. always taken marks forward and as such has to respected.
The real odd thing is that you keep on going on about getting games into the young cubs but right here instead of getting games into a developing KPF you want to give a 30 year old games who isn't up to AFL standard.
It's like you have a personal issue against Vickery
first and foremost i have no personal issue with vickey thats impossible ive never met him. by the way vickery is not up to afl standard atm.
i dont have an issue with older players the preseason debates that went on should have made you aware of that. yes i have a preference for youth but not at all costs.
its funny im pushing to play a young kpf in vickerys place his name is ben griffiths. todd elton or dave astbury would also do..
im also pushing to give the only decent ruckman we have some genuine backup before he breaks down completely. unless you havent noticed the only real option to give ivan a genuine rest in the ruck is a 30 yr old.
kids or not i dont believe we should be REGULARLY playing blokes who are terrible. give em a decent go with blocks of 3 or 5 games and if they struggle back to coburg to work on what they have learnt.
vickery has stuggled for 90% of his career yet we refuse to drop him be stuffed if i know why. we do have other options so why gift 23 yo men games. time for vickery to EARN HIS KEEP.
damn right im pushing to play some of the cubs and by the way vickery while young is 23 in a months time hes hardly a cub who needs treating with kid gloves.
the only reason im into vickery is because he is bloody horrible as a player atm and hes been horrible for a long while.
finally. you will know i have an issue with vickery when i start calling for the club to delist or trade him . ive never done that because i think like most supporters he has some talent but he cant live on the potential tag forever.
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oh by the way. we went out and got a 30yr old ready to play ruckman. i have to ask why? if we refuse to play him when the circumstances require it why get him at all.
surely circumstances require it now.
ivan playing with injury its plain to see. he can do with a rest or at the least his load lessened before he actually breaks down. with the other second string ruckman in vickery constantly and badly out of form but we keep on playing him rather than try the bloke we went out and got for just such a scenario..
one other question do people really think vickery riewoldt and mcguane sufficient genuine tall forward depth to get us thru the yr. we have to play others and develop that much needed depth. if we cant play em when those first three are badly out of form i have to ask when.
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oh by the way. we went out and got a 30yr old ready to play ruckman. i have to ask why? if we refuse to play him when the circumstances require it why get him at all.
surely circumstances require it now.
ivan playing with injury its plain to see. he can do with a rest or at the least his load lessened before he actually breaks down. with the other second string ruckman in vickery constantly and badly out of form but we keep on playing him rather than try the bloke we went out and got for just such a scenario..
one other question do people really think vickery riewoldt and mcguane sufficient genuine tall forward depth to get us thru the yr. we have to play others and develop that much needed depth. if we cant play em when those first three are badly out of form i have to ask when.
I think TV needs to be given a Coburg stint if his insipid form continues. I agree, put Griffiths down front and see what he offers there. If he marks anywhere from 65m out its a shot at goal.
If you do bring in Griff for TV, who goes out for Orren? You'd need to make both changes to allow a rest for Ivan.
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nah, just play the straw man in the ruck and stock up on baling twine to hold him together when he breaks.
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nah, just play the straw man in the ruck and stock up on baling twine to hold him together when he breaks.
Go on, get back on the field
(http://harmonia.meccahosting.com/~a0002223/straw_man.jpg)
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:lol
it never ceases to amaze me how few people give thought to the point you raise when calling for such and such to replace vickery.
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Vickery is rapidly losing the 'brownie points' he gathered 2 years ago. Our reliance on him developing as a ruck/key forward has held up our improvement in both those area's with little to show for it thus far. Meanwhile several prospects are 'log-jamming' behind him. I hope he doesn't turn out to be the classic case of his type of footballer not reaching his potential until changing clubs. BTW I agree with Claw in that we should have been right into someone like Hannath several seasons ago.
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Very big game is needed from Ty tonight, very big game.
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:lol
it never ceases to amaze me how few people give thought to the point you raise when calling for such and such to replace vickery.
On the flip side, atm big Ty is about as effective as Chief Broom -"put the ball in the hoop chief"
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even being ineffective, he is still relieving maric from ruck duties during the game.
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missed just about a whole season, round 5 and
some are dropping off Ty who still hasn't matured as most
talls don't.
mmm i will wait before jumping the gun.
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A return to his best form tonight with 8 marks and 3 goals. Our only tall forward who looked like taking a mark when the ball went near him. An improved game when in the ruck as well.
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Was a winner for us on the night. Had a very good game.
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If claw comes in a calls it a barely average game I will quit this forum ;D
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If claw comes in a calls it a barely average game I will quit this forum ;D
What he might harp on about at nauseum is Hannath taking a pack mark with 28 seconds to go and why should have got him. ;D
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Credit where credit is due thought he was very good tonight
but he desperately needs to back it up. Not going missing for the next 3 weeks
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not long in from the game. wont be many comments on anyone but i have to say i thought our talls in general had poor nights. what was bitterly disappointing was the overall skill level. and that applies equally to both sides.
was behind the goals at the city end with the cheer squad and made a good night of it.
on vickery just quickly and i watched him fairly closely for a bit i still think he plays without intensity and aggresion. even his first contested mark and goal lacked aggression if that is possible to understand. he had an opportunity to really hit the pack hard but in the end reached up and plucked the ball out of others hands'
he kicked 3 took some decent marks so i suppose he did his job. still i have to say i really dont see the love for this bloke.
will say before i go what stood out for a few of us was the lack of a quality small forward we never seemed to have a player in the right spot. anyway will go and have a snooze sober up a little and gathjer the thoughts for tommorrow. have a good night to all.
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Because you only see glimpses of TV, I've wondered if his talent is overstated but then games like last night and marks like that taken in the last qtr show that there if definately something to work with here.
I remember a young Barry Hall and thinking he'd be a powerhouse if he could channel his aggression towards the ball - with Ty I'm thinking he could be a great player if he could actually tap into his latent aggression and make it part of his game rather than drifting in and out like a feather.
Maybe it's aerobic capacity or a lack of belief - whatever it is I hope they work it out with him.
He can definitely play CHF if this happens
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not long in from the game. wont be many comments on anyone but i have to say i thought our talls in general had poor nights. what was bitterly disappointing was the overall skill level. and that applies equally to both sides.
was behind the goals at the city end with the cheer squad and made a good night of it.
on vickery just quickly and i watched him fairly closely for a bit i still think he plays without intensity and aggresion. even his first contested mark and goal lacked aggression if that is possible to understand. he had an opportunity to really hit the pack hard but in the end reached up and plucked the ball out of others hands'
he kicked 3 took some decent marks so i suppose he did his job. still i have to say i really dont see the love for this bloke.
LMAO what a toss, what would you give him out of 10 for last night, a 2?
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I have to admit there were times last night when i thought Ty still looked a bit pedestrian.
Last night did go some way to alleviating the thought that he needs to spend some time at coburg to get some confidence.
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Credit where credit is due thought he was very good tonight
but he desperately needs to back it up. Not going missing for the next 3 weeks
x 2
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Ty needs to worry more about where the ball is rather than his opponents, too much time wrestling and not enough splitting packs. Having said this if we dont have quality small forwards then getting the ball to the ground is a waste of time.
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spot on Lozza....A man of his size should pay very little respect to his smaller opponents in the physical stakes..needs to start crunching packs.
But as my astute mate pointed out last night ,Freo avoid pack situations like the plague,they much prefer to isolate and have one on one situations
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I have to admit there were times last night when i thought Ty still looked a bit pedestrian.
Last night did go some way to alleviating the thought that he needs to spend some time at coburg to get some confidence.
Hmmm mark him down to 1.5/10?
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Needs to back it up next week.
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geez this thread.. he was our best tall fwd last night by a mile, be happy and accept it. Whats with the critical evaluation and breakdown? Every single player in the comp makes errors, even ablett and pendles shank and miss their fair share of targets. If he goes missing for the next 3 weeks like willy alluded to, then start sharpening the knives, but to be finding fault in last nights performance is taking it too far imo
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as I said in an earlier post, some are too happy to pull
the trigger on this bloke.
thought he performed well.
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not long in from the game. wont be many comments on anyone but i have to say i thought our talls in general had poor nights. what was bitterly disappointing was the overall skill level. and that applies equally to both sides.
was behind the goals at the city end with the cheer squad and made a good night of it.
on vickery just quickly and i watched him fairly closely for a bit i still think he plays without intensity and aggresion. even his first contested mark and goal lacked aggression if that is possible to understand. he had an opportunity to really hit the pack hard but in the end reached up and plucked the ball out of others hands'
he kicked 3 took some decent marks so i suppose he did his job. still i have to say i really dont see the love for this bloke.
LMAO what a toss, what would you give him out of 10 for last night, a 2?
who you calling a toss poo for brains. see it really is easy to bad mouth people .
what i dont understand is how you get away with it constantly.from now on i think i might start every post with what a fool or what a toss bet it doesnt take long to get pulled up.
now what have i said above? basically he had an okay game he kicked 3 goals and took a few 2 good marks. he also had a go most of the time. did a lot right but still did plenty wrong.
i also said despite him doing the job expected of him i dont see the love for him or dont rate him, god forbid lets not rate one of the favorites eh.
for what its worth id give him about 6.5 - 7 for his game.
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not long in from the game. wont be many comments on anyone but i have to say i thought our talls in general had poor nights. what was bitterly disappointing was the overall skill level. and that applies equally to both sides.
was behind the goals at the city end with the cheer squad and made a good night of it.
on vickery just quickly and i watched him fairly closely for a bit i still think he plays without intensity and aggresion. even his first contested mark and goal lacked aggression if that is possible to understand. he had an opportunity to really hit the pack hard but in the end reached up and plucked the ball out of others hands'
he kicked 3 took some decent marks so i suppose he did his job. still i have to say i really dont see the love for this bloke.
LMAO what a toss, what would you give him out of 10 for last night, a 2?
who you calling a toss poo for brains. see it really is easy to bad mouth people .
what i dont understand is how you get away with it constantly.from now on i think i might start every post with what a fool or what a toss bet it doesnt take long to get pulled up.
now what have i said above? basically he had an okay game he kicked 3 goals and took a few 2 good marks. he also had a go most of the time. did a lot right but still did plenty wrong.
i also said despite him doing the job expected of him i dont see the love for him or dont rate him, god forbid lets not rate one of the favorites eh.
for what its worth id give him about 6.5 - 7 for his game.
Nothing like making up your own story, the toss comment was for those paragraphs of crap not you in particular although now that you mention it........
Good cry out for the mods too, feel free to go through my posts and look for all those abusive posts, apart from my episode with yourself and Montana a few months back I don't think you will find a lot.
I actually try to support the young cubs and not take the easy route of bagging inexperienced/developing players, in that sense all the young cubs are my favourites.
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not long in from the game. wont be many comments on anyone but i have to say i thought our talls in general had poor nights. what was bitterly disappointing was the overall skill level. and that applies equally to both sides.
was behind the goals at the city end with the cheer squad and made a good night of it.
on vickery just quickly and i watched him fairly closely for a bit i still think he plays without intensity and aggresion. even his first contested mark and goal lacked aggression if that is possible to understand. he had an opportunity to really hit the pack hard but in the end reached up and plucked the ball out of others hands'
he kicked 3 took some decent marks so i suppose he did his job. still i have to say i really dont see the love for this bloke.
LMAO what a toss, what would you give him out of 10 for last night, a 2?
who you calling a toss poo for brains. see it really is easy to bad mouth people .
what i dont understand is how you get away with it constantly.from now on i think i might start every post with what a fool or what a toss bet it doesnt take long to get pulled up.
now what have i said above? basically he had an okay game he kicked 3 goals and took a few 2 good marks. he also had a go most of the time. did a lot right but still did plenty wrong.
i also said despite him doing the job expected of him i dont see the love for him or dont rate him, god forbid lets not rate one of the favorites eh.
for what its worth id give him about 6.5 - 7 for his game.
Claw, what were the plenty of things he did wrong? Obvious blunder of a kick and his rucking was sub par at first but IMO he picked it up later on. Apart from that what else did he do wrong in your opinion? No offence but please try and keep it simple at to the point, try using dot points instead of paragraphs for each one
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Good game from Vickers, im looing forward to him getting his constancy. This will come the more games he plays. Going along fine. i'm not to fussed about comments from a sandgroper that gets to 2 games a year.
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Ty seems to have a few shortcomings,which i think can be ironed out.I think its still another 3 seasons until we see the best of him,thats not denying he cant be an effective player in the meantime.Now the issue is whether we the supporters and club are prepared to be patient and give him the time to develop.
So far this year he has played 2 good games and 2 not so good games.He has shown glimpses of what he can do and has also shown some really bad efforts....Me i think its what you are going to get from a still raw big.
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not long in from the game. wont be many comments on anyone but i have to say i thought our talls in general had poor nights. what was bitterly disappointing was the overall skill level. and that applies equally to both sides.
was behind the goals at the city end with the cheer squad and made a good night of it.
on vickery just quickly and i watched him fairly closely for a bit i still think he plays without intensity and aggresion. even his first contested mark and goal lacked aggression if that is possible to understand. he had an opportunity to really hit the pack hard but in the end reached up and plucked the ball out of others hands'
he kicked 3 took some decent marks so i suppose he did his job. still i have to say i really dont see the love for this bloke.
LMAO what a toss, what would you give him out of 10 for last night, a 2?
who you calling a toss poo for brains. see it really is easy to bad mouth people .
what i dont understand is how you get away with it constantly.from now on i think i might start every post with what a fool or what a toss bet it doesnt take long to get pulled up.
now what have i said above? basically he had an okay game he kicked 3 goals and took a few 2 good marks. he also had a go most of the time. did a lot right but still did plenty wrong.
i also said despite him doing the job expected of him i dont see the love for him or dont rate him, god forbid lets not rate one of the favorites eh.
for what its worth id give him about 6.5 - 7 for his game.
Claw, what were the plenty of things he did wrong? Obvious blunder of a kick and his rucking was sub par at first but IMO he picked it up later on. Apart from that what else did he do wrong in your opinion? No offence but please try and keep it simple at to the point, try using dot points instead of paragraphs for each one
his ruck work in general is sub par.
what remains a constant is the lack of aggresion at the ball. the lack of work ethic and gut running fair dinkum hes lazy. and simply put for a player who is released into the midfield usually against a young player he just doesnt get enough ball and failing that impact enough contests. how many blocks shepherds or just running to create an option do you see from him. how many second efforts or even third efforts do you see. very few is the answer.
his game was passable but take two sliding door moments out of his game, that is the two contested marks and goals that came from them, what is left? in his defense he took those marks and a couple of others. he kicked 3 goals and his effort was significantly better than it has been he did have a dip.
i dunno a lot of posters keep on coming back and having a go at me over him. maybe i am too harsh.
have to say like all of you i see the potential in him but for me the performances dont back up that potential.
the one thing i will say in fairness to all the forwards the way we bought the ball in made hard for all of them. but the flip side to that is the lack of forward movement gave the mids few options.
the mark he took in the last q and goaled the bloke next to me turned around and said why doesnt he attack the ball like that all the time. im asking the same sort of things.
most are talking up his game but fair dinkum that is the bare minimum id expect from him or any other kpp we play.
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look claw I am long time fan of your work but mate you need a holiday
If the bare minimum you expect from Vickery is to take 8 marks and kick 3 goals a game, he would be a 70 goal key position forward that is top 3 in the league in contested marks.
On those numbers he would be statistically better than Tippett and Hawkins and would be worth $1 million a year.
Geez H Geez some people are IMPOSSIBLE to please.
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old school pwnage
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look claw I am long time fan of your work but mate you need a holiday
If the bare minimum you expect from Vickery is to take 8 marks and kick 3 goals a game, he would be a 70 goal key position forward that is top 3 in the league in contested marks.
On those numbers he would be statistically better than Tippett and Hawkins and would be worth $1 million a year.
Geez H Geez some people are IMPOSSIBLE to please.
again take the two contested marks out that resulted in goals and it becomes a very ordinary night. the fact he took a couple of contested marks and kicked 3 goals saved his night.
the simple fact is he is not clunking many contested marks and his out put and intensity is lacking.
ive had similar debates over games nahas has played after kicking 3 or 4 goals
hmm brian lake took about 15 marks one game and few of them were worthy of mention. fair dinkum id rather he didnt kick a goal but played with the required intensity work rate and competetiveness.
tell mei rated his game 6.5 - 7 what do you think his game rating was worth. there are areas of his game that are crap no ifs no buts about it.
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lets see
13 possessions 8 marks 10 hit outs and three goals
thats a 8.5/10, he will get coaches votes for that performance
If he plays like that every week he will be all australian
Look claw yes he is inconsistent, but most 200cm 22 yr olds are.
He is tracking well do live up to the No 8 draft pick mantle
Very talented player and in our top 5 most important
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look claw I am long time fan of your work but mate you need a holiday
If the bare minimum you expect from Vickery is to take 8 marks and kick 3 goals a game, he would be a 70 goal key position forward that is top 3 in the league in contested marks.
On those numbers he would be statistically better than Tippett and Hawkins and would be worth $1 million a year.
Geez H Geez some people are IMPOSSIBLE to please.
again take the two contested marks out that resulted in goals and it becomes a very ordinary night. the fact he took a couple of contested marks and kicked 3 goals saved his night.
the simple fact is he is not clunking many contested marks and his out put and intensity is lacking.
ive had similar debates over games nahas has played after kicking 3 or 4 goals
hmm brian lake took about 15 marks one game and few of them were worthy of mention. fair dinkum id rather he didnt kick a goal but played with the required intensity work rate and competetiveness.
tell mei rated his game 6.5 - 7 what do you think his game rating was worth. there are areas of his game that are crap no ifs no buts about it.
I hate hypotheticals, if he wasnt busy taking marks he could of been doing other stuff like getting hit outs of blocking for other players. Don't bother using them judge him on what he done not what he done excluding the good stuff he actually did
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lets see
13 possessions 8 marks 10 hit outs and three goals
thats a 8.5/10, he will get coaches votes for that performance
If he plays like that every week he will be all australian
Look claw yes he is inconsistent, but most 200cm 22 yr olds are.
He is tracking well do live up to the No 8 draft pick mantle
Very talented player and in our top 5 most important
:clapping
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This is just sheer madness ,people are judging a 22 year old big coming back from shoulder recons,the same as a seasoned 28 year old...We all know he has weaknesses but please give the lad a chance to mature.Surely we have seen enough to realise we (RFC) has a lot to work with here
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Vicks took a contested mark in the 4th and lethal commented that he must be one of the most frustrating players at Richmond. When he attacks the ball like that he's worth his weight in gold but unfortunately its too few and far between.
He needs to attack the footy like this each contest.
Some of his efforts are pathetic. I saw many of these vs the pies when he starts player watching rather than keeping his eyes on the ball. When he does he is excellent and worth the 1st round pick we spent to recruit him.
I'm probably a bit too impatient with him but I do see potential there just how long must we wait to see it consistantly?
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many people here were prepared to give Posty another go.Do people think he showed more than TY?
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many people here were prepared to give Posty another go.Do people think he showed more than TY?
Most definitely not.
Of what I've seen of TV's good games he's worth keeping.
It's just his bad is so frustrating because you know he could do so much better.
I never saw much in Post at all very disappointing all together.
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Tigra at this stage I'm putting his wide fluctuations in form to immaturity,and a bad run with injuries..In 3 years time if this has continued with no noticeable upswing in form lets have this conversation again
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Tigra at this stage I'm putting his wide fluctuations in form to immaturity,and a bad run with injuries..In 3 years time if this has continued with no noticeable upswing in form lets have this conversation again
:cheers
Actually don't know if I'm that patient to be honest.
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just out of interest Tigra how much time are you prepared to give Elton and Griff?
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just out of interest Tigra how much time are you prepared to give Elton and Griff?
That's a good question G.
Both second round picks if u take into consideration the concessions picks.
To be honest with Griff I'm still trying to forget that Fyfe was picked with the next pick in the draft not to mention what Geelong has done with Duncan and Christensen but lets not talk about it or Sam Reid. :shh ;D
I'm feel I'm starting to lose patience with Griffiths not on the park, consistently injured and the fact that we all want to see him up forward but the coaches like him in defence.
I see potential but again frustrated and impatient with his development.
Just play him forward FFS.
Elton is just too young to call at this stage. Needs a few years I guess.
Um ..... That's all I got. ;D
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Well your a knob.
Griff is a baby and build like a train.
Give him a chance.
*edit sorry for name calling apon reflection but Ben needs your support. :gotigers
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he might be built like a train but at this point in his football life he breaks like porcelain
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I cannot help but think that if Griff was given as many chances as Ty up forward he would be more advanced.
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He might be more advanced i agree..but this kid up until this year couldnt stay on the park for longer than a nano second
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Most AFL clubs would 'blood' a 200cm until the 4th/5th season of development.
We are talking about delisting.
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i dont want to delist either of the 2.I think both have a lot to offer ,and both have a huge upside.All I'm saying is that both have failings which although not fatal certainly need time and patience to overcome
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I cannot help but think that if Griff was given as many chances as Ty up forward he would be more advanced.
Ty earned his chances two years ago as a 20 year old in 2011
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Most AFL clubs would 'blood' a 200cm until the 4th/5th season of development.
We are talking about delisting.
cant agree with the above. the vast majority do not wait until they are 22 23 to play a game. lets say most at 196cm plus at the time of drafting is tall and unco. . an awful lot at 196cm plus who are taken as 18 yr olds do play early. thing is a lot of the taller kids are not even drafted until they are 21 plus and thats as rookies.
not sure if ive seen any one any where talk about delisting vickery.
he turns 23 in a month he turns 24 next yr. at 24 he should be well and truly proven and displaying his potential on a regular consistent basis. so for me basically this yr and next before id be calling for his head.
he is very much being hailed as a very good player and i dont believe that is warranted.atm he is very much living off the potential tag.
all people have done is point out what they see as his weaknesses and some of us have even tried to keep his overall performance on the field in perspective.
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thing is a lot of the taller kids are not even drafted until they are 21 plus and thats as rookies.
Is this not reason to give Benny Griffiths more time?
Ben Reid played 8 games in his first three seasons before a break out year. Five cms small than Griffo.
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The problem with Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury and perhaps Elton is that, while they have the tools, they lack the desperation and urgency to make a contest theirs.
Not sure you can teach or develop that.
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thing is a lot of the taller kids are not even drafted until they are 21 plus and thats as rookies.
Is this not reason to give Benny Griffiths more time?
Ben Reid played 8 games in his first three seasons before a break out year. Five cms small than Griffo.
for sure. id give him till the end of 2015. that is along as there is steady improvement along the way. roughly around that 24 age mark for the super talls.that goes for all our young talls they need to show improvement if griffiths is exactly where he is now at the end of next yr you have to ask though.
The problem with Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury and perhaps Elton is that, while they have the tools, they lack the desperation and urgency to make a contest theirs.
Not sure you can teach or develop that.
the thing i place a high emphasis on talls above 195cm is they are actually good in the air. of the 4 atm id say elton has it over the other 3. he looks like he could be a real threat in the air.but i agree with your sentiments.
i watched a lot of astbury as a kid and to me he was an ideal hit up tall its actually something we dont have yet we insist on playing him back.
griffiths for his height was super quick very agile a super kick. lead at the ball well. and could clunk a mark. . i say could because you dont see it anymore. to me these are the attributes of a very good f/f yet we refuse to play him there.
of course you have vickery who imo should be learning the caper primarily as a ruckman even if that means at coburg. people just would not agree with this. imo i think we are at a stage where we need to take a step back to take a few steps forward.
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The problem with Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury and perhaps Elton is that, while they have the tools, they lack the desperation and urgency to make a contest theirs.
Not sure you can teach or develop that.
Griff was on top of the 1%s at Richmond after round 1. You need desperation and preparedness to have multiple efforts in a contest to get these stats.
I think we should play Ty, Ben and Jack in the forward line all together and give them all an area to roam in. They are all mobile and will stretch any defence. Put a few of our smalls front and centre and we have avery capable forward line. I'd play Ty close to the goal square and the other two a little further our on either flank.
Elton should be developed as a CHB who can play on the opposition talls. I say that because his goal kicking is not reliable and rather than waste time trying to improve something that may never be reliable under extreme pressure, cut our losses and use his athleticism to run off the opposition tall forwards.
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The problem with Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury and perhaps Elton is that, while they have the tools, they lack the desperation and urgency to make a contest theirs.
Not sure you can teach or develop that.
When Coburg were getting flogged Griffiths would still run at full pelt and make a diving punch against a Kosi type from his full back postion several times. He has g00lys.
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As predicted Ty vickery recorded votes from both coaches 5 in total for the coaches award for last weeks performance .
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The problem with Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury and perhaps Elton is that, while they have the tools, they lack the desperation and urgency to make a contest theirs.
Not sure you can teach or develop that.
Griff was on top of the 1%s at Richmond after round 1. You need desperation and preparedness to have multiple efforts in a contest to get these stats.
I think we should play Ty, Ben and Jack in the forward line all together and give them all an area to roam in. They are all mobile and will stretch any defence. Put a few of our smalls front and centre and we have avery capable forward line. I'd play Ty close to the goal square and the other two a little further our on either flank.
Elton should be developed as a CHB who can play on the opposition talls. I say that because his goal kicking is not reliable and rather than waste time trying to improve something that may never be reliable under extreme pressure, cut our losses and use his athleticism to run off the opposition tall forwards.
ya know what and ive said this before. if we take a forrward lin the draft lets develop him as a forward. if we take a ruckman lets develop him as a ruckman . if we take a defender ffs develop him as a defender.
apert from riewoldt who was an outstanding chf who we play at ff most of the time we have failed to actually draft to needs with talls.
im sick to death of this bull poo.
todd elton was taken primarily as a kpf who could ruck a bit if needed. for gods sake lets develop one tall to what his strengths dictate. elton is a forward.
lets see elton griffiths astbury rance chaplin mcintosh grimes darrou just how many do we need to develop down back while totally ignore the forw structure.
thinkj about it
astbury hit nup forward developed almost entirely down back.
griffiths a genuine ff developed down back.
mcguane a forward played down back.
vickery a ruckman played almost exclusibvely forward.
post who was cut last yr same scenario.
mcintosh a running and accountable tall defender and they want to turn him into a mid.
derickx a ruckman and they try to turn him into a forward.
and now you want elton down back when clearly hes a forward .
we are stupid and too clever by half .
for me its simple
tall defenders
rance, grimes, chaplin, darrou, mcintosh, mcbean, thats 6 bloody hell do we have a top notch defender capable of taking on other big kpfs and winning.
tall forwards
riewoldt, griffiths, elton, astbury, thats 4 and at least 2 shy of the numbers we need. yet two are developed as backs. could include mcguane but why hes a hack.at this point in time we have 1 decent tall forward.
ruckmen
maric, stephenson.vickery, derickx. at this point in time i can say we have three dud ruckmen.
of the three areas, id say we have the backs covered more than anything. especially when you add griffiths and astbury who are being developed down back to the 6 ive named above.
at this point in time the way we are developing our talls i really can argue we have just 2 genuine tall forwards on the entire list and one of them is elton.
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so basically you are saying if you need a defender you overlook a player you rate higher for one based on where his junior coach plays him
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The problem with Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury and perhaps Elton is that, while they have the tools, they lack the desperation and urgency to make a contest theirs.
Not sure you can teach or develop that.
Griff was on top of the 1%s at Richmond after round 1. You need desperation and preparedness to have multiple efforts in a contest to get these stats.
I think we should play Ty, Ben and Jack in the forward line all together and give them all an area to roam in. They are all mobile and will stretch any defence. Put a few of our smalls front and centre and we have avery capable forward line. I'd play Ty close to the goal square and the other two a little further our on either flank.
Elton should be developed as a CHB who can play on the opposition talls. I say that because his goal kicking is not reliable and rather than waste time trying to improve something that may never be reliable under extreme pressure, cut our losses and use his athleticism to run off the opposition tall forwards.
ya know what and ive said this before. if we take a forrward lin the draft lets develop him as a forward. if we take a ruckman lets develop him as a ruckman . if we take a defender ffs develop him as a defender.
apert from riewoldt who was an outstanding chf who we play at ff most of the time we have failed to actually draft to needs with talls.
im sick to death of this bull poo.
todd elton was taken primarily as a kpf who could ruck a bit if needed. for gods sake lets develop one tall to what his strengths dictate. elton is a forward.
lets see elton griffiths astbury rance chaplin mcintosh grimes darrou just how many do we need to develop down back while totally ignore the forw structure.
thinkj about it
astbury hit nup forward developed almost entirely down back.
griffiths a genuine ff developed down back.
mcguane a forward played down back.
vickery a ruckman played almost exclusibvely forward.
post who was cut last yr same scenario.
mcintosh a running and accountable tall defender and they want to turn him into a mid.
derickx a ruckman and they try to turn him into a forward.
and now you want elton down back when clearly hes a forward .
we are stupid and too clever by half .
for me its simple
tall defenders
rance, grimes, chaplin, darrou, mcintosh, mcbean, thats 6 bloody hell do we have a top notch defender capable of taking on other big kpfs and winning.
tall forwards
riewoldt, griffiths, elton, astbury, thats 4 and at least 2 shy of the numbers we need. yet two are developed as backs. could include mcguane but why hes a hack.at this point in time we have 1 decent tall forward.
ruckmen
maric, stephenson.vickery, derickx. at this point in time i can say we have three dud ruckmen.
of the three areas, id say we have the backs covered more than anything. especially when you add griffiths and astbury who are being developed down back to the 6 ive named above.
at this point in time the way we are developing our talls i really can argue we have just 2 genuine tall forwards on the entire list and one of them is elton.
I thought Elton played in many positions as a junior. He is not a reliable kick for goal. Forwards need to be dead eye dicks in front of goal. Sick of holding my breath when 30m out directly in front and they still miss. Had enough of that during the Richo years. Griff is one of the best kicks in the side. Prefer him forward. Ty was a forward as a junior and played ruck too - same role now. Elton is a big boy. Why can't he be developed to cover the big gorillas on other teams? We don't currently have a guy like that in our senior team, Tried Griff but he is a natural forward although he was given the grand total of one game before he was dropped.
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If someone cant kick a ball accurately between two posts that don't move, and where weighting your kick is irrelevant, how are they going to pass with precision in the backline to slice through the oppositions press?
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If someone cant kick a ball accurately between two posts that don't move, and where weighting your kick is irrelevant, how are they going to pass with precision in the backline to slice through the oppositions press?
Have you played football?
Some players are excellent field kicks but when it comes to lining up in front of goal they get nervous and lose their normal kicking technique. Look at Richo as an example. He rarely missed a pass when he had to but how many times would he miss from 25m directly in front!
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I reckon 90% of players don't give a toss where they play as long as they get a game.....
I know when I played I wanted to play forward and did for one year, and was then banished to the half back flank for the rest of my so called career.
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If someone cant kick a ball accurately between two posts that don't move, and where weighting your kick is irrelevant, how are they going to pass with precision in the backline to slice through the oppositions press?
Have you played football?
Some players are excellent field kicks but when it comes to lining up in front of goal they get nervous and lose their normal kicking technique. Look at Richo as an example. He rarely missed a pass when he had to but how many times would he miss from 25m directly in front!
I dont recall richo having to pin point too many passes in the backline with the entire opposition pressing up into that half of the ground.
On the other hand, players like king and mcguane, whose kicking was a liability in the backline have prolonged their careers by switching foward where these defincies are masked.
How many players, pariculrily in recent times, have been banished to the backline due to poor goalkicking and have extended their careers by doing so?
In field kicking, if your target has space, your kick can be off target by the width of the goal posts and still allow the recipient to run on to it, but it's when your pass has to be precise that sorts the wheet from the chaff. This is a requirement of modern top level football more than ever before.
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If someone cant kick a ball accurately between two posts that don't move, and where weighting your kick is irrelevant, how are they going to pass with precision in the backline to slice through the oppositions press?
Have you played football?
Some players are excellent field kicks but when it comes to lining up in front of goal they get nervous and lose their normal kicking technique. Look at Richo as an example. He rarely missed a pass when he had to but how many times would he miss from 25m directly in front!
I dont recall richo having to pin point too many passes in the backline with the entire opposition pressing up into that half of the ground.
On the other hand, players like king and mcguane, whose kicking was a liability in the backline have prolonged their careers by switching foward where these defincies are masked.
How many players, pariculrily in recent times, have been banished to the backline due to poor goalkicking and have extended their careers by doing so?
In field kicking, if your target has space, your kick can be off target by the width of the goal posts and still allow the recipient to run on to it, but it's when your pass has to be precise that sorts the wheet from the chaff. This is a requirement of modern top level football more than ever before.
I disagree with you. Last year I saw Buddy Franklin against us hit someone on the run with a 60m pass which did not have him breaking stride. In the same game he could not get the ball anywhere near the two big sticks. Please explain.
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If someone cant kick a ball accurately between two posts that don't move, and where weighting your kick is irrelevant, how are they going to pass with precision in the backline to slice through the oppositions press?
Have you played football?
Some players are excellent field kicks but when it comes to lining up in front of goal they get nervous and lose their normal kicking technique. Look at Richo as an example. He rarely missed a pass when he had to but how many times would he miss from 25m directly in front!
I dont recall richo having to pin point too many passes in the backline with the entire opposition pressing up into that half of the ground.
On the other hand, players like king and mcguane, whose kicking was a liability in the backline have prolonged their careers by switching foward where these defincies are masked.
How many players, pariculrily in recent times, have been banished to the backline due to poor goalkicking and have extended their careers by doing so?
In field kicking, if your target has space, your kick can be off target by the width of the goal posts and still allow the recipient to run on to it, but it's when your pass has to be precise that sorts the wheet from the chaff. This is a requirement of modern top level football more than ever before.
Henderson
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If someone cant kick a ball accurately between two posts that don't move, and where weighting your kick is irrelevant, how are they going to pass with precision in the backline to slice through the oppositions press?
Have you played football?
Some players are excellent field kicks but when it comes to lining up in front of goal they get nervous and lose their normal kicking technique. Look at Richo as an example. He rarely missed a pass when he had to but how many times would he miss from 25m directly in front!
I dont recall richo having to pin point too many passes in the backline with the entire opposition pressing up into that half of the ground.
On the other hand, players like king and mcguane, whose kicking was a liability in the backline have prolonged their careers by switching foward where these defincies are masked.
How many players, pariculrily in recent times, have been banished to the backline due to poor goalkicking and have extended their careers by doing so?
In field kicking, if your target has space, your kick can be off target by the width of the goal posts and still allow the recipient to run on to it, but it's when your pass has to be precise that sorts the wheet from the chaff. This is a requirement of modern top level football more than ever before.
I disagree with you. Last year I saw Buddy Franklin against us hit someone on the run with a 60m pass which did not have him breaking stride. In the same game he could not get the ball anywhere near the two big sticks. Please explain.
Lol. One bloke who has serious flaw in his kicking action, a bloke who is capable of kicking a miraculous goal yet missing easy goals hits up a target once and that proves that a poor goal kicker is capable of going down back and slicing the oppositions press with preciison kicking on a constant basis?
On that basis one could argue that we could play jackson accross half back, coz i have seen him hitba target once, too.
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If someone cant kick a ball accurately between two posts that don't move, and where weighting your kick is irrelevant, how are they going to pass with precision in the backline to slice through the oppositions press?
Have you played football?
Some players are excellent field kicks but when it comes to lining up in front of goal they get nervous and lose their normal kicking technique. Look at Richo as an example. He rarely missed a pass when he had to but how many times would he miss from 25m directly in front!
I dont recall richo having to pin point too many passes in the backline with the entire opposition pressing up into that half of the ground.
On the other hand, players like king and mcguane, whose kicking was a liability in the backline have prolonged their careers by switching foward where these defincies are masked.
How many players, pariculrily in recent times, have been banished to the backline due to poor goalkicking and have extended their careers by doing so?
In field kicking, if your target has space, your kick can be off target by the width of the goal posts and still allow the recipient to run on to it, but it's when your pass has to be precise that sorts the wheet from the chaff. This is a requirement of modern top level football more than ever before.
Henderson
Havnt taken a lot notice of henderson, so ill have to take your wors his goalkicking had him on the cusp. How would you rate his disposal coming out of the backline?
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McGuane is the conundrum for me. He is doing a good job in his role as a tall forward who focused on defensive pressure. He's not doing a great job but none of our forwards are firing this year atm.
If he wasn't I would put Griffiths or even McBean into the role. Both players are accurate kicks with height but both are not quiet ready - Griff b/c he's been playing as a back for 2 years and McBean because he is a walking beanpole atm. Elton could surprize us all though - perhaps his kicking yips are merely that rather than a problem with technique. :-\
For the second half of the year I would have Griffiths play forward for Coburg and then train him further in the role over preseason.
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fwiw, elton kicked 12.1 last year and 4.6 this year.
0.4 was his return in the wind last week.
im not sure i would be writing off his goal kicking and thus him as a forward just yet.
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If someone cant kick a ball accurately between two posts that don't move, and where weighting your kick is irrelevant, how are they going to pass with precision in the backline to slice through the oppositions press?
Have you played football?
Some players are excellent field kicks but when it comes to lining up in front of goal they get nervous and lose their normal kicking technique. Look at Richo as an example. He rarely missed a pass when he had to but how many times would he miss from 25m directly in front!
I dont recall richo having to pin point too many passes in the backline with the entire opposition pressing up into that half of the ground.
On the other hand, players like king and mcguane, whose kicking was a liability in the backline have prolonged their careers by switching foward where these defincies are masked.
How many players, pariculrily in recent times, have been banished to the backline due to poor goalkicking and have extended their careers by doing so?
In field kicking, if your target has space, your kick can be off target by the width of the goal posts and still allow the recipient to run on to it, but it's when your pass has to be precise that sorts the wheet from the chaff. This is a requirement of modern top level football more than ever before.
Henderson
Havnt taken a lot notice of henderson, so ill have to take your wors his goalkicking had him on the cusp. How would you rate his disposal coming out of the backline?
He was quite young (still is?) so I doubt he was every really on the cusp. So I guess he doesn't really answer the question of who extended their career moving back but he was the best I could think of :lol.
And I dunno, usually doesn't have to pin point those passes as they don't rely on him to bring it out of the back line
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TV was subbed off due to concussion according to media reports.
Here's the vision of the head clash:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-05-04/head-clash-ends-vickerys-night
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TV was subbed off due to concussion according to media reports.
Here's the vision of the head clash:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-05-04/head-clash-ends-vickerys-night
Ty ended up with a few stitches as well.
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/05/04/285708.jpg)
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Will kill it this week
or have a stinker
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Will kill it this week
or have a stinker
That's how he usually plays!
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Will kill it this week
or have a stinker
That's how he usually plays!
Complete with a ferocious jumper punch
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Will kill it this week
or have a stinker
That's how he usually plays!
Complete with a ferocious jumper punch
:lol
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He should kick the most goals he's ever kicked today.
I'm predicting no less than 6 goals from Tyrone today. :pray
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10+ or its a fail
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10+ or its a fail
Agreed
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Oh yeah, still accepting mediocicty I see.
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:lol
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Apparently this guy is supposedly clever.
He's got absolutely no footy brain whatsoever.
The footy smarts Reiwoldt has in his pinky toe nail is more than Vickery has.
I'm getting the feeling that he could be the star in footys version of Dumb & Dumber.
What a stuffing waste of a body. :banghead
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Thought he played okay, seemed to run and present a lot however he is so big headed. I swear he never looks for another option when he is lining up for goal ( fair enough if you KNOW you are going to make it ) If there is one thing that really P's me off it is when a playe rmarks the ball and just walks away with his back to the goals. LOOK FOR AN OPTION !!! Grigg does this a lot as well.
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Thought he played okay, seemed to run and present a lot however he is so big headed. I swear he never looks for another option when he is lining up for goal ( fair enough if you KNOW you are going to make it ) If there is one thing that really P's me off it is when a playe rmarks the ball and just walks away with his back to the goals. LOOK FOR AN OPTION !!! Grigg does this a lot as well.
Nailed it Nick. :thumbsup
One of my pet hates. :banghead
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Thought he played okay, seemed to run and present a lot however he is so big headed. I swear he never looks for another option when he is lining up for goal ( fair enough if you KNOW you are going to make it ) If there is one thing that really P's me off it is when a playe rmarks the ball and just walks away with his back to the goals. LOOK FOR AN OPTION !!! Grigg does this a lot as well.
We were all screaming the same thing in the crowd today.
If he was dead eye dick, it would be reasonable but he isn't.
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18 disposals 9 marks 17 hit outs
If he kicked straight it would have been a very good game
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Yep. Thought he worked hard and presented well today. Was happy with his performance.
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dont be happy willy, it makes people jealous and bitter
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18 possies 9 marks, nice work if you can get it :shh...bring your kicking boots next time vickers :lol
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Orren looked bad.
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That run with the bounces in the 3rd, showed some toe = impressive
Begs the question though, why don't we get see more of it? That sort of desperation, attack on the contest
Should be the norm not the exception
Thought he was good today as a ruckman but so-so as a forward
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That run with the bounces in the 3rd, showed some toe = impressive
Begs the question though, why don't we get see more of it? That sort of desperation, attack on the contest
Should be the norm not the exception
Thought he was good today as a ruckman but so-so as a forward
Write him a letter
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18 disposals 9 marks 17 hit outs
If he kicked straight it would have been a very good game
lol he was ordinary in the air again. isnt this the primary role of your kpfs to dominate in the air and failing that give a good contest there. for me he continues to fail in his primary function as a 200cm player.
im adamant if we gave a kid like elton games or playe astbury forward it would not take long before we get more out of them than vickery. its almost like we have a 200cm player who doesnt play tall.
good on him he got a bit of ball i suppose thats something.
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How many marks do you want him to take? Please respond with a number, no words
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:lol what if he writes the number in words.
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:lol what if he writes the number in words.
Not acceptable. Allow him to use words and I'll be here all day waiting for an actual answer
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Anyone know if Vickery was subbed out for any reason, thought his first qtr was good, second qtr quiet until be got subbed off.
I suppose nangas pace kept him on but FFs he was deplorable
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Anyone know if Vickery was subbed out for any reason, thought his first qtr was good, second qtr quiet until be got subbed off.
My guess is played like crap but I'm only an old fart, what would I know. :banghead
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Vickery is a hack, how many chances do you want to give him
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Needs a holiday, play reserves for 5-6 weeks, get down and dirty and some leather poisoning before EARNING a recall. How much can one develop getting 7-8 touches a game?
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Needs a holiday, play reserves for 5-6 weeks, get down and dirty and some leather poisoning before EARNING a recall. How much can one develop getting 7-8 touches a game?
Will need to play full back to do that at Coburg. :lol
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Anyone know if Vickery was subbed out for any reason, thought his first qtr was good, second qtr quiet until be got subbed off.
My guess is played like crap but I'm only an old fart, what would I know. :banghead
Lol smokey, if that was a criteria we could sub out 3/4 of our side.
Hope you are feeling better today
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trade him out
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Vickery copped another knock to the head last night (clash of heads with Hooker? in a pack going for a mark). That could be the reason he was subbed off. He only suffered concussion three weeks ago and missed the Port game.
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Concussion, my foot. This guy is not fit to play little league.
Can't you see his lackadaisical nature with his droopy eyes and languid performances.
Time to reassess his position at the club.
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didnt seem to concussed when arguing with team mates early in 3rd quarter.
About time this bloke puts his hand up,
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didnt seem to concussed when arguing with team mates early in 3rd quarter.
Doesn't mean he wasn't concussed. Jack was arguing with anybody and everybody in round 2 last year after he got concussed against the Saints.
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Has the intensity of a turtle.
As slow as one and too afraid to come out of his shell.
Trade.
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Anyone know if Vickery was subbed out for any reason, thought his first qtr was good, second qtr quiet until be got subbed off.
My guess is played like crap but I'm only an old fart, what would I know. :banghead
Lol smokey, if that was a criteria we could sub out 3/4 of our side.
Hope you are feeling better today
;D
Marginally better Chuck. Took my fragile head out fishing today with #2 son and the scoreline reads:
Rex & ET - 0, NT Fish Population - very well fed and fully intact.
:fishing
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Has the intensity of a turtle.
As slow as one and too afraid to come out of his shell.
If that was truly the case Tucker, then he should have had a cracking game. After all, he would have just finished celebrating World Turtle Day on Thursday.
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The last couple of games I seen some very promising signs a Vickery as a ruckman. Actually runs and uses the ball well in space. Once he gains size, he will become our No 1 ruckman and very a very agile and talented ruckman too imo. The whole CHF experiment was never what he was recruited for has been thrust upon his as he develops and for the structure of the team only.
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ruck -> Vickery.
FF - Griffiths / Elton
CHF - Jack
3forward - MCBean
McGaune must allow this to develop by stepping aside.
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Anyone know if Vickery was subbed out for any reason, thought his first qtr was good, second qtr quiet until be got subbed off.
My guess is played like crap but I'm only an old fart, what would I know. :banghead
ruck -> Vickery.
FF - Griffiths / Elton
CHF - Jack
3forward - MCBean
McGaune must allow this to develop by stepping aside.
It's not upto McGuane Bents, that's Dimma's call but if it was up to me then yes I agree. :thumbsup
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Just get him to attack each contest as if it were jumper punches
problem solved
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Anyone know if Vickery was subbed out for any reason, thought his first qtr was good, second qtr quiet until be got subbed off.
My guess is played like crap but I'm only an old fart, what would I know. :banghead
I thought he played well while on
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TV turns 23 today :birthday
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Alrighty how did we think Vickers went, 13 disposals, 6 marks, two goals.
FWIW I though he was a touch above average, made same good leads and some were even honoured with good passes.
6.5/10
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Alrighty how did we think Vickers went, 13 disposals, 6 marks, two goals.
FWIW I though he was a touch above average, made same good leads and some were even honoured with good passes.
6.5/10
He did ok but got slaughtered in the ruck which was expected but applied some resistance there.
Vickery does frustrate me, he's tall mobile but just a very very stupid footballer at times and when he finally uses his size & strength I'm almost Chris Scott like in my shock but very frustrated I don't see more of it.
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Battled manfully in the ruck against the best in the business, even though he was only credited with a handful of hitouts. Nonetheless I am still not convinced about him as 2nd ruck. Tyrone is the Shane Watson of the rfc, doesn't exceed as a forward or a ruck, but overall is a good enough player to get a game doing by doing just enough in both roles.
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I think the comments in here are fair. I'm hoping he'l really impose himself and bust a game open soon. I think it's pssible.
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Alrighty how did we think Vickers went, 13 disposals, 6 marks, two goals.
FWIW I though he was a touch above average, made same good leads and some were even honoured with good passes.
6.5/10
Thought he was OK, as I said to friends the "good" Ty turned up and that's what we need but we need it regularly not every 3 or 4 weeks
Said it before though just wish he'd showed more mongrel and crash a few packs, had the opportunity to on Monday night and didn't/wouldn't. That's the real frustrating thing about Tyrone
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Thought he played ok (better than he had been) but that should be his absolute minimum and I would like to see better things from him before season's end. Played the leading forward role and worked in with Jack and Azza much better but it's nearly time for him to be stamping himself on some games.
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What's up with Ty???
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Just couldn't make an impact up forward today.
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First half 2 possessions, was better in the second half but still pretty pee poor overall, needs to get himself involved more!
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The Bean is threatening
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First half 2 possessions, was better in the second half but still pretty pee poor overall, needs to get himself involved more!
Bingo
Terrific, just terrific TM
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The Bean is threatening
I don't think you'd play bean in the ruck
Too valuable. You don't out the most talented KPP in there.
Similar to Griffiths.
A bit like how Sydney will not play ruck after his knee.
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The Bean is threatening
I don't think you'd play bean in the ruck
Too valuable. You don't out the most talented KPP in there.
Similar to Griffiths.
A bit like how Sydney will not play ruck after his knee.
More talking about another forward option. Drop A Edwards and Ty and bring in Bean and god knows which spud to give Maric a chop out.
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Thank God we only have to put up with this Garbage for approx another 12 weeks or so.
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:cheers
Great stuff Ty, best game all year by far!! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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yep, had a very good game tonight, threw himself at it, took some big grabs and showed some toe against a quality opponent
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Was great to see him chucking himself at some packs. Hopefully it's what we see next week and not same old Vickery.
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I thought he was average. Had a terrible first half but did play much better in the second which I expect of him.
He's truly the most frustrating player at Tigerland.
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Should take some of those marks he doesn't and then takes a speccy just to frustrate you even more.
This guy will either develop into a champion and yes the clock is ticking or he will be just a plodder.
No grey area I feel with this guy.
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he was pretty good last night. Better than Ivan but no one.bags the Mullet
Well done TV
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Tucker I don't think you will get an answer to your question of whether he will be a champ or a chump for probably another 2 years.I reckon we don't see the best of the big boys until post 25 years of age
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Should take some of those marks he doesn't and then takes a speccy just to frustrate you even more.
This guy will either develop into a champion and yes the clock is ticking or he will be just a plodder.
No grey area I feel with this guy.
I've been trying to work out what it is that annoys me about him (I do like him) and I reckon this sums it up well. Looks like his going to break out, then doesn't.
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Should take some of those marks he doesn't and then takes a speccy just to frustrate you even more.
This guy will either develop into a champion and yes the clock is ticking or he will be just a plodder.
No grey area I feel with this guy.
I've been trying to work out what it is that annoys me about him (I do like him) and I reckon this sums it up well. Looks like his going to break out, then doesn't.
x 2
Saturday night shows why he is the most frustrating KPP on our list. First half was terrible (again) no intensity, no mongrel, just cruising along and then the 2nd half we got the intensity, the attack on the footy, the 2nd efforts. Why they change? Clearly he got a rocket, shouldn't need to a rocket to get fired up to play the game
Bloody frustrating :banghead
And BTW Maric was good on Saturday night, his battle with Monson was one of the best duels of the evening
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He drops way too many marks that he should nail for me. He does show a bit of toe for a big unit though and he did put in for this game, just wish he had a safer pair of mits.
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He drops way too many marks that he should nail for me. He does show a bit of toe for a big unit though and he did put in for this game, just wish he had a safer pair of mits.
Agree Owl. Way too many 'nearly' marks. A bit of extra confidence might just make those stick but he needs to play with more desperation from the first bounce.
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#datmark
JBrown. Nreiwoldt. Wcarey
Yvickery. :shh
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Clunked a lot of marks on Sat nite. Don't understand the criticism. Just believe people are frustrated because his current performance isn't matching their lofty expectations. Showed plenty in my eyes on the weekend. Was aggressive around stoppages too which was great to see. Is already one of the first picked for the side every week but is learning to use his size and strength more as he matures.
I understand people frustrations but try and judge him as a young ruckman rather than an established player.
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nothing wrong with TV... He is developing nicely in will dominate the comp in a few yrs.. The worry are the list cloggers like Foley.. He is a joke
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I understand people frustrations but try and judge him as a young ruckman rather than an established player.
I know I can't speak for everyone but for me it's the fact he looks like his cruising as if he is an established player, not working his guts off like a young ruckman trying to prove himself. Even then I reckon people expect him to crash more packs than he should be, they seem to think he should be crashing every single one where for me he seems to be crashing a couple and that's enough for me. Jack already has to mark over 2 players why should Vickery and his man make it 5.
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Clunked a lot of marks on Sat nite. Don't understand the criticism. Just believe people are frustrated because his current performance isn't matching their lofty expectations. Showed plenty in my eyes on the weekend. Was aggressive around stoppages too which was great to see. Is already one of the first picked for the side every week but is learning to use his size and strength more as he matures.
I understand people frustrations but try and judge him as a young ruckman rather than an established player.
Yep he certainly "clunked" a couple of marks on Saturday night in the 2nd half but go back to his first half it was terrible. His lack of consistency and intensity is the issue.
I for one question his use of his size and strength, IMO he doesn't use it enough. There was one marking contest in the 2nd qtr when he was in a contest with HBF and he didn't out mark him - for his size he should be "clunking" those
I know he is one of the first picked and that's part of the issue for me, why is he? Other blokes are not/have not been afforded the luxury of inconsistent performances like Ty has. We get 1 week (or in this case half a game) of good Ty and then we get 3-4 weeks of Ty the cruiser. Don't think Ben Griffiths has had that luxury afforded to him, ditto Dea
Personally I do judge him as a developing ruckman/KP forward but he needs to lift his intensity, desire and want to a level that will bring concistency in performance. He needs to give us more than monthly cameos
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One problem is who can take the FWD/Ruck position for him. Some will say McBean but has he even rucked at Coburg? Stephenson could perhaps but I wouldn't play an old bloke in front of a developing tall.
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Griffiths can't get a go because the bus ride on the way to the game gives him concussion.
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Reminds me of another Ruck/Forward that was hopeless in his first couple of seasons.
He went onto play 244 games for Richmond.
He is now CEO of the mighty Richmond Football Club.
Give Ty time he will come good.
:cheers
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Reminds me of another Ruck/Forward that was hopeless in his first couple of seasons.
He went onto play 244 games for Richmond.
He is now CEO of the mighty Richmond Football Club.
Give Ty time he will come good.
:cheers
Im with WP.
Tyrone is not in his 'first couple of seasons' anymore. The 'still developing' excuse is withering. Showed what he can do in the second half of the dogs game and needs to do it more often.
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22/23 200cm
Watts draft
Get off his t@s
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is getting a game ahead of others because he is better than all the others
he can actually play the game
still developing too
Big Vick :cheers
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Ty is like Brendon Gale in another way as well
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/swapcards/bulluss/brendon_gale_1994.jpg)
Brendon's haircut was as bad as Ty's is now.
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Clunked a lot of marks on Sat nite. Don't understand the criticism. Just believe people are frustrated because his current performance isn't matching their lofty expectations. Showed plenty in my eyes on the weekend. Was aggressive around stoppages too which was great to see. Is already one of the first picked for the side every week but is learning to use his size and strength more as he matures.
I understand people frustrations but try and judge him as a young ruckman rather than an established player.
Yep he certainly "clunked" a couple of marks on Saturday night in the 2nd half but go back to his first half it was terrible. His lack of consistency and intensity is the issue.
I for one question his use of his size and strength, IMO he doesn't use it enough. There was one marking contest in the 2nd qtr when he was in a contest with HBF and he didn't out mark him - for his size he should be "clunking" those
I know he is one of the first picked and that's part of the issue for me, why is he? Other blokes are not/have not been afforded the luxury of inconsistent performances like Ty has. We get 1 week (or in this case half a game) of good Ty and then we get 3-4 weeks of Ty the cruiser. Don't think Ben Griffiths has had that luxury afforded to him, ditto Dea
Personally I do judge him as a developing ruckman/KP forward but he needs to lift his intensity, desire and want to a level that will bring concistency in performance. He needs to give us more than monthly cameos
Agree with gerks, bents and '65 here. The reason he is still inconsistent is because he hasn't fully matured physically yet. Compare his body to Maric's and he is still a baby. Even NickNat drifts in and out of games and he is considered a super ruck. Ty throws his body around than many young talls. Infact the love the mongrel this guy has and in a year or two he will be hurting plenty of opposition players with his attack on the ball.
The think Ty attacks the pack far more when he knows Jack is not in the contest. It reminds me a bit of the 'Schulz & Richo' scenario. Thought he showed some great signs of doing exactly what you want him to do WP in the second half - attack the ball in the air and on the ground. Lets see if he keeps this focus and attitude up next week :thumbsup
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Going well for mine. Doing his bit and learning every week. Would be interesting to know when Big Cox really started to dominate games. I know it wasn't when he was 22.
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Agree with gerks, bents and '65 here. The reason he is still inconsistent is because he hasn't fully matured physically yet. Compare his body to Maric's and he is still a baby. Even NickNat drifts in and out of games and he is considered a super ruck. Ty throws his body around than many young talls. Infact the love the mongrel this guy has and in a year or two he will be hurting plenty of opposition players with his attack on the ball.
I am obviously missing the "mongrel" big time because I don't see it; I really don't.
I rarely see him crashing packs, chasing his opponent, using his size to help his teammates. It was indictment on him in the 2nd qtr on Saturday night when against a 187cm HBF that Ty at 200cm couldn't out mark him. It was one of those "nearly marks" people speak of.
IMV Ty crashing packs is such a rare occurence it is the reason people question his intensity and mongrel
I dont' dispute for a minute he can play the game, he has fantastic skill for his size that's not the concern. It's the intensity, desperation, mongrel, perhaps killer instinct. His body language and attitude at times reminds me of (dare I say it) a version of Jayden Post with superior skill
Thought he showed some great signs of doing exactly what you want him to do WP in the second half - attack the ball in the air and on the ground. Lets see if he keeps this focus and attitude up next week :thumbsup
Not disputing his 2nd half was very good Stripes, have said that, acknowledged that.
But why did we have to wait until the 2nd half for the switch to be turned on?
It was as clear as day he obviously got a rocket because he was a totally different player in the 2nd half
It is because of what he showed in the 2nd half that he frustrates people, it simply doesn't happen enough. We get a good week (or half) then he goes missing for another 2, 3, 4 weeks
You say "lets see if he keeps this focus and attitude up next week" and that is the issue we shouldn't be looking to see if he repeats it, that effort is what we want, what the teams needs week after week not the odd cameo every few weeks
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I dont' dispute for a minute he can play the game, he has fantastic skill for his size that's not the concern. It's the intensity, desperation, mongrel, perhaps killer instinct. His body language and attitude at times reminds me of (dare I say it) a version of Jayden Post with superior skill
Wash your mouth out :lol
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WP - we all want to see consistency in his game but he is still developing and learning to use his body. He can use his skill fine - kicking for goal, taking a grab and twisting his opponent inside out but, like many developing bigs, he still doesn't know how to use his growing size. He never played the game as a youngster smashing players with his strength and size - he used his height and skill.
I think he still needs to develop this side of his game and not be tentative when approaching packs, wrestling with an opponent or when engaged in a ruck duel. Most of his ruck opponents still make him look like a stick so he still does need to develop. I think with greater size the attack, intent and confidence will follow.
Dimma stated that the WB game was a breakout game for Ty and I had to agree. I thought he showed exactly what I want to see from him as the game went on. This is the standard we now want and the standard he is right now performing at. Lets forget the past and expect that level to be his norm from now on.
Consistency comes with confidence and that will grow when he feels he can compete in the ruck the same way he can on the lead imo.
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Cox was like a unco giraffe @ Tyrone age
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Cox was better stats-wise at Vickery's age. Both played their first game at 19 but in their stats in almost every category Cox is superior. The only really important area Vickery leads is goals scored - 51 to 24.
After 4 seasons Cox had played 78 games for 851 disposals (10.91), 311 marks (3.99), 1335 hitouts (17.12), 84 tackles (1.08) and 7 Brownlow votes. Vickery had played 54 games for 516 disposals (9.56), 163 marks (3.01), 416 hitouts (7.70), 107 tackles (1.98) and 2 Brownlow votes. And in Cox's 5th season he had a breakout year, increasing his stats significantly across the board including 6 more Brownlow votes while Vickery so far this year is on track for a slight decrease on his best season so far - 2011.
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Cox was better stats-wise at Vickery's age. Both played their first game at 19 but in their stats in almost every category Cox is superior. The only really important area Vickery leads is goals scored - 51 to 24.
After 4 seasons Cox had played 78 games for 851 disposals (10.91), 311 marks (3.99), 1335 hitouts (17.12), 84 tackles (1.08) and 7 Brownlow votes. Vickery had played 54 games for 516 disposals (9.56), 163 marks (3.01), 416 hitouts (7.70), 107 tackles (1.98) and 2 Brownlow votes. And in Cox's 5th season he had a breakout year, increasing his stats significantly across the board including 6 more Brownlow votes while Vickery so far this year is on track for a slight decrease on his best season so far - 2011.
Did Cox play as a forward 75% of the time?
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Not according to them goal comparison :shh
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Not according to them goal comparison :shh
No use comparing Cox and Vickery's disposals, hit outs, marks and tackles when one played through the middle of the ground for the majority of their early career while the other played predominately as a forward. Cox was the better player imho but stats are easy to manipulate especially when we're not comparing apples with apples.
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Every week I see him drop sitters. He either drifts off mid mark thinking about shagging some bird and drops it or he has a bad case of muppet hands, as in they are made of cloth and stuffing and cant grip anything.
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Cox was better stats-wise at Vickery's age. Both played their first game at 19 but in their stats in almost every category Cox is superior. The only really important area Vickery leads is goals scored - 51 to 24.
After 4 seasons Cox had played 78 games for 851 disposals (10.91), 311 marks (3.99), 1335 hitouts (17.12), 84 tackles (1.08) and 7 Brownlow votes. Vickery had played 54 games for 516 disposals (9.56), 163 marks (3.01), 416 hitouts (7.70), 107 tackles (1.98) and 2 Brownlow votes. And in Cox's 5th season he had a breakout year, increasing his stats significantly across the board including 6 more Brownlow votes while Vickery so far this year is on track for a slight decrease on his best season so far - 2011.
Did Cox play as a forward 75% of the time?
Probably did for much of his first 3 years - Gardiner was their #1 ruckman at the time but he got injured early in Cox's 4th year.
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Cox was better stats-wise at Vickery's age. Both played their first game at 19 but in their stats in almost every category Cox is superior. The only really important area Vickery leads is goals scored - 51 to 24.
After 4 seasons Cox had played 78 games for 851 disposals (10.91), 311 marks (3.99), 1335 hitouts (17.12), 84 tackles (1.08) and 7 Brownlow votes. Vickery had played 54 games for 516 disposals (9.56), 163 marks (3.01), 416 hitouts (7.70), 107 tackles (1.98) and 2 Brownlow votes. And in Cox's 5th season he had a breakout year, increasing his stats significantly across the board including 6 more Brownlow votes while Vickery so far this year is on track for a slight decrease on his best season so far - 2011.
Did Cox play as a forward 75% of the time?
Probably did for much of his first 3 years - Gardiner was their #1 ruckman at the time but he got injured early in Cox's 4th year.
24 goals suggests he was a waste of space. :shh
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Reckon at times he looks uncoordinated.
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Gets held and chopped so often it's not funny
Umps need to be made aware
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Michael Gardiner no one remembers he obviously yeash
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One problem is who can take the FWD/Ruck position for him. Some will say McBean but has he even rucked at Coburg? Stephenson could perhaps but I wouldn't play an old bloke in front of a developing tall.
have long argued if vickery is the second ruck/for and thats a big if play a genuine ff jack and a genuine chf ffs. develop elton griffiths astbury in the role. plonk vickery in a forward pocket.
i have a word for vickery its called soft he is not good enough consistently in the air he is not combative and he avoids contact.
its funny he will take the odd contested mark he will crash the odd pack but always on his terms . it seems the odd mark and act of aggression is enough to claim he can play. i have serious issues with vickery in the air both as a key forward and most certainly as a ruckman, nothing has changed for me with this bloke.
was really bemused by hardwick claiming he had a break out game i hope damien was only pumping up his tyres.
make no mistake we are stuffed if riewoldt ever cops a serious injury or maric goes down.
for me the way we structure up continues to be all wrong. despite winning games it has not held up against good sides and it will never hold up. the lack of real cover and juniors coming thru and developing in critical kkey positions is mindboggling.
the only areas we have decent depth and cover in is hbf and the midfield but even in the midfield it is not real deep.
our best 22 is competetive with most but even in the best 22 there are half a dozen we should be aiming better .
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No one can doubt Vickery's courage. Running into a pack to take a mark shows real guts. He is very good on his feet when the ball hits the deck eg the goal set up by him in the first quarter against the dogs. He has a good turn of speed. An unlucky bounce prevented him from kicking three goals on the weekend. He leads well and is usually a good kick at goal except for this year. His consistency is his main issue. He needs to work on his concentration. Given he is young and hopefully over his past injuries I believe he will become more consistent over time.
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Doesn't impose himself like a big man should. Wouldn't call him soft but he lacks intensity. Claw is right when he says Vickery splits a pack on his terms.
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Doesn't impose himself like a big man should. Wouldn't call him soft but he lacks intensity.
Bingo
x 2
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Don't reckon he suits KPP. Should ruck and rest forward. Might get better once he finds 2011 form but so far that looks like he was just lucky
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Doesn't impose himself like a big man should. Wouldn't call him soft but he lacks intensity.
Bingo
x 2
x 3
He frustrates me because he is a very stupid footballer in that I mean that he doesn't block when he should, he could give off a handball if he had any awareness, and Jack gives him some of the best taps or gives but he seems clueless to what Jack is doing most of the time. Maybe because of his cluelessness he should be the number 1 key forward and Jack can just run around the front 50 creating goals.
He really does frustrate me though maybe because you watch his second half and ask why he doesn't do this all the time.
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Ty is going to make you all eat poo sandwiches when he develops into his body.
Mark this down as F A C T
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I'm not eating it
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Look I'l have a nibble, but im not gonna commit to a whole sanga. :(
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Didn't Ty give the handball to set up Martins 3rd goal against Adel
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Look I'l have a nibble, but im not gonna commit to a whole sanga. :(
Outstanding :clapping
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Ty is going to make you all eat poo sandwiches when he develops into his body.
Mark this down as F A C T
I hope your right chuck.
And I'll be the first to apologise on this forum. Just remind me if I forget.
.... I dunno about the sandwiches though.
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From watching the bulldogs game again his athleticism was very good.
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Look I'l have a nibble, but im not gonna commit to a whole sanga. :(
:lol
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Ty is going to make you all eat poo sandwiches when he develops into his body.
Mark this down as F A C T
Im gluten intolerant so breads out...
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Look I'l have a nibble, but im not gonna commit to a whole sanga. :(
I have sanga ready for today but I might go out for lunch now :P
Doesn't impose himself like a big man should. Wouldn't call him soft but he lacks intensity. Claw is right when he says Vickery splits a pack on his terms.
I don't think he lack intensity in general but I agree he finds it difficult to maintain intensity through a whole game. He'll get there once the confidence grows and his ruck role increases.
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:clapping
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Selfish and undisciplined, will be sighted and miss a week.
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Didn't see it, backed up a solid 2nd half last week. Good to see him roaming the ground and plucking marks. looked good
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Selfish and undisciplined, will be sighted and miss a week.
soft :o
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Selfish and undisciplined, will be sighted and miss a week.
soft :o
Just Saying :shh
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someone on radio said he took 11 marks..not a bad days work
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Some call it undisciplined- I call it passion and the free kick was so soft so I'm glad hes showing some mongrel rather than not.
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someone on radio said he took 11 marks..not a bad days work
18 touches, 11 marks(5Contested), 16 hitouts. Was very good
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The big task facing Tyrone now is...consistancy
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yep which is why I bumped this thread, first time in a while he's turned in 2 good performances in a row
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18 Disposals, 11 marks, 89% efficiency
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Excuse me before you all start getting positive Clawski wants to bag him
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Wayne carey gave TV 3 votes bog
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I'm sure claw wants nothing but the best for RFC,he's just too much of a perfectionist where things RFC are concerned.
Claw needs to jump on the TY bandwagon and show us claw the human side
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I'm sure claw wants nothing but the best for RFC,he's just too much of a perfectionist where things RFC are concerned.
Claw needs to jump on the TY bandwagon and show us claw the human side
Great encouragement, c'mon Claw you can do it
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I reckon you would be over the moon with Ty getting the 3 votes username,because it was touch and go between Ty and foley for Bog
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Played more around the contest today. He shows a lot of potential as our future No 1 ruck. The more size he gains and confidence he gets the more consistency we will see from the Vickery. He'll go from strength to strength now imo.
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Played more around the contest today. He shows a lot of potential as our future No 1 ruck. The more size he gains and confidence he gets the more consistency we will see from the Vickery. He'll go from strength to strength now imo.
always goes good in the ruck
maric -> retire [not for a while]
mcbean -> vickery
vickery -> no.1 ruck
succession plan looking the goods :shh
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I reckon you would be over the moon with Ty getting the 3 votes username,because it was touch and go between Ty and foley for Bog
Foley was crap
Conca was awesome
as were both Edwards
Foley was a stuff up
if Hardwick has balls next week Foley out vlas in
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was aaron edwards playing in the 2nd half :huh
foley got in 23 times and is averaging 22 over last 3 games. did he bone your misses?
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was aaron edwards playing in the 2nd half :huh
I think he ran out of legs. Gave his all in the first half.
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was aaron edwards playing in the 2nd half :huh
foley got in 23 times and is averaging 22 over last 3 games. did he bone your misses?
ffs stats mean poo
he stuffs up and turns it over too many times
he could not get close go my misses... he will Miss the target and tap ur butthole
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geez very rough. remember this kid used to get 50 touches in the twos when he was young.
his legs are still different sizes.
give him a few more weeks...
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someone on radio said he took 11 marks..not a bad days work
18 touches, 11 marks(5Contested), 16 hitouts. Was very good
Sums up his game well. I liked it.
Got cleaned bowled on the members wing too. :lol :rollin :lol
More of these games please. :thumbsup
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geez very rough. remember this kid used to get 50 touches in the twos when he was young.
his legs are still different sizes.
give him a few more weeks...
thats what the vfl is for
and when he got it 50 times in the past he stuffed up 30 times
screw the past right here right now he is no good
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Foley was crap
Foley was a stuff up
:lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol
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possessions mean nothing to me its what u do with them and decision making that counts
he makes too many errors end of story
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Vickery was excellent tonight. Really asserted himself in the absence of KPD's. he's a couple of years ahead of Stanley in development and it showed. Gave Jack and Big O great support all day. Hope he keeps performing like this.
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Did he win the medal?
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Some call it undisciplined- I call it passion and the free kick was so soft so I'm glad hes showing some mongrel rather than not.
Been jumper punching since he was in the womb but people have continually said he needs to show some mongrel. Now he has a good game his finally shown some mongrel. ::)
he could not get close go my misses... he will Miss the target and tap ur butthole
:lol :lol :lol :lol :bow
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Did he win the medal?
Yessssss Big Vicks :clapping
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Vickery’s vital Richmond role
By richmondfc.com.au
Thursday, July 4, 2013
Emerging Tiger key tall Ty Vickery plays the most crucial role in the Richmond team, according to team-mate Jack Riewoldt.
Vickery found some of his best form last week against St Kilda, registering a career-high for disposals (18) and marks (11).
Riewoldt, who plays alongside the improving 23-year-old, said the Tigers are a better side for having Vickery in it.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-04/vickerys-vital-richmond-role
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Any news on how severe TV's concussion is? Will he miss next week?
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wacko
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I loved Vickers hip and shoulder on Malceski in the opening minutes!! :bow
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Here's the vision of Vickery being left dazed:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-07-28/vickery-left-dazed
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all things considered i thought he did ok.
imagine how screwed we would have been if he had had gone down earlier in the game with our david v goliath expectations?
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Failed to impact. Again. One of our two key forwards. Kicked 1 goal. Took 5 marks, most of which were uncontested and away from our fwd line.
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Thought he was ok but let's himself down badly and undoes his good work. His positioning as highlighted by roos as the spare man was embarrassing
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How he let Grundy into the contest and dropped that mark early in the third riledme.
Can impact the contest but at times it looks as if he is taking it easy.
Infuriating player atm.
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Can someone please tell me why Vickery doesn't jump at the football or in the ruck?
And why our "smart" coaches haven't told him to do so?
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Failed to impact. Again. One of our two key forwards. Kicked 1 goal. Took 5 marks, most of which were uncontested and away from our fwd line.
Correct.
Like waiting for paint to dry waiting for this guy to come good on a regular basis
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Will he play next week?
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Thought he was disappointing again just doesn't do enough often enough.
Though in his defence when they dropped him back as the loose man in defence he looked truly clueless = it didn't work :banghead
And another thing enough with the showing the world the ball after you've taken a mark - get on with the bloody game :banghead :banghead Took a mark down back up goes the arm showing the world he has the ball, Conca breaks for him and the moemnt is lost because Ty is playing his own version of show 'n' tell
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Best game I have seen Vickery play in a while. ( particularly the first half)
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I think he will really come on next year.
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he was damn good yesterday
took the game on
and that 100m penalty was a joke
yes 50 was there he went over the mark
but goose charged him hit him and fell over the weak prick , he initiated it all and tv was punushed for just standing there
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WP on the plus side ,don't you think that bit of play when he weaved through opponents and dished it off to the runners for a resulting goal was enough to wet the appetite of whats is store ahead for Ty?
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WP on the plus side ,don't you think that bit of play when he weaved through opponents and dished it off to the runners for a resulting goal was enough to wet the appetite of whats is store ahead for Ty?
i doubt wp was upset with tv game yesterday at all, the comment made above was dated july 29 , no reference to yesterdays game
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lol..ok.....my apologies WP
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presented well. was ignored on occasions when he should not have been. played a good game. Needs to back it up against Carlton
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WP on the plus side ,don't you think that bit of play when he weaved through opponents and dished it off to the runners for a resulting goal was enough to wet the appetite of whats is store ahead for Ty?
i doubt wp was upset with tv game yesterday at all, the comment made above was dated july 29 , no reference to yesterdays game
Thought he was very good in the first half yesterday bit just Ok in the 2nd.
We actually got one of his 25 minute brilliant cameos that shows what he can do and that is the reason why I reckon we get so frustrated with him. He has so many fantastic attributes but we rarely get them for an entire game and that continues to be the issue
He is agile, has great skills etc, what we got in the 2nd qtr in particular I want to see consistently. He gets to that level and he can be a superstar of this competition
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tv will be massive in finals
wait and see
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Still young for a Ruckman.
He will be fine.
:thumbsup
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Still young for a Ruckman.
He will be fine.
:thumbsup
Yep
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Showed some good athleticism yesterday. Has the brains for it IMO. Broad shoulders too, should develop strong.
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His play after losing the tap out, to set up Whiteys running goal was pretty awesome actually
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Patience nuthuggers, patience
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Vickery's big second half ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-09-01/round-23-vickerys-big-second-half
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TV has got to play like last night when Jack is there. Continually lead up hard and present. Own his own space inside forward 50.
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Worth his weight in gold is young Ty and still hasn't matured.
WHOA :shh
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Did the fwd line function the same or better without sooki lala playing?
It sure didn't function any worse
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need him back in though coz guess where carlton sends there best defender :o
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play him at chf?
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play him at chf?
Yes, play jack up and tv and azza from the sq :shh
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I like this move..as jack would create havoc for the opposition up the ground
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play him at chf?
Yes, play jack up and tv and azza from the sq :shh
:thumbsup I like it
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Vickery's big second half ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-09-01/round-23-vickerys-big-second-half
lol big second half. apart from a purple patch in the third quarter he was almost invisible. took two contested marks both against carlisle and one should have been a free kick against him.
aaron edwards played a good game vickery well he needs to vastly improve.
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Lol Ty is still young and has plenty upside and growing, Azza is as good as he is going to get.
He could win the norm smith and you would still be picking him apart
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Still gives me the runs
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Another 40 minute cameo from Ty ;D
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Another 40 minute cameo from Ty ;D
He's improving from his previous 20 minutes then
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Honestly I reckon Ty is a genuine star in the making. When taking into account that he's only 23 and most big men don't mature and hit their straps until their in the late 20's, very exciting stuff. He moves well, kicks beautifully and I think is 2nd in comp for contested marks. When we push for a flag, he'll be a major key, maybe even more important than Jack. Love his work!
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Well said doug :clapping
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play him at chf?
Yes, play jack up and tv and azza from the sq :shh
:thumbsup I like it
Agree boys but how is Jack's knee is he mobile enough to play that role.
I hope Bootsma plays again. :lol :rollin :lol
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Another 40 minute cameo from Ty ;D
He's improving from his previous 20 minutes then
Yep ;D
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I think is 2nd in comp for contested marks.
Try 18th, 1 ahead of Reiwoldt ;)
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I think is 2nd in comp for contested marks.
Try 18th, 1 ahead of Reiwoldt ;)
Any idea what he is in the back half of the year? I think Doug was onto something. I've heard a stat about 4 weeks ago that he was 2nd in the comp or something over a period of a month or 2.
PS, Can anyone confirm if it's just Doug or Black Doug?
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He may well be a future star but currently he's a boy in a mans body and has no idea how to impose that body.
Sadly we're stuck with a coach who will bleed him until such a time as he proves or disproves that theory.
Some of those marks he spills are shockers.
Gets spoilt by blokes 6 inches shorter than him.
Rather play elusive than knock fukkas out with a solid attack on the footy
He's scared.
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I think is 2nd in comp for contested marks.
Try 18th, 1 ahead of Reiwoldt ;)
Any idea what he is in the back half of the year? I think Doug was onto something. I've heard a stat about 4 weeks ago that he was 2nd in the comp or something over a period of a month or 2.
PS, Can anyone confirm if it's just Doug or Black Doug?
last 4 games he has taken 26marks of which just 4 have been contested, ty like a few tigers plays bruise free footy.
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I think is 2nd in comp for contested marks.
Try 18th, 1 ahead of Reiwoldt ;)
Any idea what he is in the back half of the year? I think Doug was onto something. I've heard a stat about 4 weeks ago that he was 2nd in the comp or something over a period of a month or 2.
PS, Can anyone confirm if it's just Doug or Black Doug?
last 4 games he has taken 26marks of which just 4 have been contested, ty like a few tigers plays bruise free footy.
Well he was up there at one stage. Probably when you weren't in this thread. Which ever weeks those were.
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Yeah I heard it on some footy forum or another that he was number two. I was pretty stoked when I heard it, but now I really think about it, a little absurd. But I still hold to what I said, love his work, BIG name player in years to come. Get excited!
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Yeah I heard it on some footy forum or another that he was number two. I was pretty stoked when I heard it, but now I really think about it, a little absurd. But I still hold to what I said, love his work, BIG name player in years to come. Get excited!
It was over a certain period of this year. Stat is a few weeks old now though.
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Ty tunes up for finals
By richmondfc.com.au
Monday, September 2, 2013
Talented Tiger ‘tall’ Ty Vickery has rebounded strongly from the shoulder injury that wrecked his 2012 season.
Vickery, who kicked a career-high 36 goals in 2011, missed the entire second half of last season after undergoing a shoulder reconstruction, but he’s bounced back in impressive fashion this year.
His equal-career-high four goals (all in the second half) against Essendon in last Saturday night’s final home-and-away round, took his season’s tally to 25 ...
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-02/ty-tunes-up-for-finals
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I think is 2nd in comp for contested marks.
Try 18th, 1 ahead of Reiwoldt ;)
Any idea what he is in the back half of the year? I think Doug was onto something. I've heard a stat about 4 weeks ago that he was 2nd in the comp or something over a period of a month or 2.
PS, Can anyone confirm if it's just Doug or Black Doug?
last 4 games he has taken 26marks of which just 4 have been contested, ty like a few tigers plays bruise free footy.
Well he was up there at one stage. Probably when you weren't in this thread. Which ever weeks those were.
im not in here very often imo. i say what i see make my point and tend to leave it for awhile.
i will reiterate again. im not calling for his head im not saying he is no good.
what i do say is there are parts of his game that have always peeed me off nothing has changed or greatly improved in these areas and they should have by now.
for him to become a competetant #1 ruckman or kpf he first and foremost needes 10 kilo on his frame and the subsequent strength that will come with it.
he desperately needs to find some toughness he needs to learn to compete and he surely needs to stop being so lazy when he doesnt have the ball.
he needs to get to more contests and at the least give a decent contest. if hes not marking it he needs to bringing it down to advantage. he needs to lay tackles and let opposition know hes about the place. he especially needs to learn to attack the ball with a vengeance.
in afl speak, hes no longer a kid hes 23 and played what 70 80 odd games. atm at 200cm and some reasonable size about him he lacks a presence.
like others i desperately want to see him make it but i will not sugar coat where i percieve him and his performances to be at. the only saving grace in a lot of his games is hes managed to kick some goals.
if we had another decent young key forward up to speed atm i be calling for him to get a game in front of vickery.in fact id be calling for one to play weather we dropped vickery or not.
ive said it before we are not getting out of him what you should expect from a 200cm kpp/ruck . he plays more like a tall flanker than a kpp.
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Agreed.
5kg minimum for next year, and preferably another 5kg as he fills out later.
Looks like he has fire in the belly sometimes but doesn't impose himself enough.
And it's about time he started jagging goals. Needs to take a defender off Jack.
Edwards is my form favourite ATM. Might be kicking goals against losers but at least he leads hard all day, and has a strong body. Essential for September IMO. Plays like a tall.
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Craw has brought a number of goid points re vickery
Time to snap off those training wheels you no longer need Ty and burn fuken rubber mate :cheers
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Needs to shave his head too IMO.
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Needs intensity for 120 minutes not 30 here or there.
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Needs intensity for 120 minutes not 30 here or there.
x 2
:bow
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1 x knee, 2 x shoulder recos, 23 yrs old key possy, 70+ games and 70+ goals
I'm happy with cameos at this stage
:cheers
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1 x knee, 2 x shoulder recos, 23 yrs old key possy, 70+ games and 70+ goals
I'm happy with cameos at this stage
:cheers
Next year is the year of Ty. Players often take a full year to get back in the swing of it coming off long term injuries. Foley is probably in the same boat too for that matter. :shh
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Yeah Foley blitzed last year after the previous year lead in before succumbing to injury again. Want more from Tyrone, but he's tracking upwards as the season has progressed.
This finals series is a chance for all our players to enhance their reputation. Big opportunity for Ty who has bucketloads of talent
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This bloke is the key for mine. We know that Mullet will try his heart out but he needs a true rucking performance from Vicks when he goes into the Ruck. If Warnock is allowed to cruise it releases Kruezer to create havoc down forward. Vickery needs to play out of his skin, kick goals, be a dangerous linkman and crash contests.
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Dimma backs forward Vickery
richmondfc.com.au
October 11, 2013
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick admits to having placed a fair weight of expectation on talented, young tall Ty Vickery, but with good reason . . . he rates him so highly.
He played 21 games [in 2013], kicked 27 goals, and was ranked 12th overall in the competition for total contested marks.
With the Tigers’ recruitment of big man Shaun Hampson from Carlton at the start of the AFL’s 2013 trade period early this week, Vickery seems set to play a more permanent key forward role next season, and Hardwick believes he has the ability to cause major headaches for opposition backlines.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-11/dimma-backs-forward-vickery
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was ranked 12th overall in the competition for total contested marks.
this can't be right can it? :shh
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Equal 12th with 17 others including Graham Oakley-Nicholls and Richard Tambling
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FFS :banghead
another stuff up
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Came first in jumper punching by a mile
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Needs to legally deck people
If the side is yo improve must be aggressive
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Needs to legally deck people
If the side is yo improve must be aggressive
agree
:thumbsup
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Here's one of the problems.
He and Jack are cant work in the forward 50 together
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Yeah that's why they were the most effective key forward duo in the comp two years ago
If they don't work now, Dimma and the boys have broke it, not jack and tyrone
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was ranked 12th overall in the competition for total contested marks.
this can't be right can it? :shh
took 116 marks for the yr. thats not bad. only 34 of them were contested. probably only 3 or 4 games where he took more than 2 contested marks a game.
he had plenty of games where he didnt take any.
its not just the contested marks though, he just doesnt compete for enough of them to get better numbers. hes not giving enough contests in the air yet alone marking it enough.
i think we can now say its a given the club has given up on him becoming a ruckman. hes now going to make it or fail as a kpf.
if he can improve just a few things i will jump on board but he needs to be better.
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if he can improve just a few things i will jump on board but he needs to be better.
Given that incentive I am sure he will rise to the chAllenge
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if he can improve just a few things i will jump on board but he needs to be better.
Given that incentive I am sure he will rise to the chAllenge
lol forever the smart arse. youir starting to grow on me son.
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was ranked 12th overall in the competition for total contested marks.
this can't be right can it? :shh
took 116 marks for the yr. thats not bad. only 34 of them were contested. probably only 3 or 4 games where he took more than 2 contested marks a game.
he had plenty of games where he didnt take any.
its not just the contested marks though, he just doesnt compete for enough of them to get better numbers. hes not giving enough contests in the air yet alone marking it enough.
i think we can now say its a given the club has given up on him becoming a ruckman. hes now going to make it or fail as a kpf.
if he can improve just a few things i will jump on board but he needs to be better.
Fair assessment, I reckon.
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Vickery and Foley for Boyd/pick 1. Just putting it out there...... :shh
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Vickery and Foley for Boyd/pick 1. Just putting it out there...... :shh
Nope
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Vickery and Foley for Boyd/pick 1. Just putting it out there...... :shh
maybe make that Vickers and Nahas. :whistle
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We have nothing that can remotely resemble getting anything like pick one unless we are prepared to give up any of our untouchables. A big resounding no from me too. :yep
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If Vickery could ruck, then Vickery and Foley might get pick 1.
GWS don't need another forward though, they would have no interest in Vickery.
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The only trade that would secure pick 1 IMO is Deledio, maybe with other swaps/trades involved.
Gotta trade quality if you want pick 1.
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The only trade that would secure pick 1 IMO is Deledio, maybe with other swaps/trades involved.
Gotta trade quality if you want pick 1.
Would do
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I got on hear last year and said its time for this man to stand up he did against stkilda and that's about it average year again... hampson coming in should really free him up to play a true chf role if he can bulk up some more and hit packs hard this could be his year but if I see nothing id be prepared to offer him up as a trade
GO U TIGERS
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I got on hear last year and said its time for this man to stand up he did against stkilda and that's about it average year again... hampson coming in should really free him up to play a true chf role if he can bulk up some more and hit packs hard this could be his year but if I see nothing id be prepared to offer him up as a trade
GO U TIGERS
too bad vickery has a glass jaw... he wont be hitting anything the softie
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I got on hear last year and said its time for this man to stand up he did against stkilda and that's about it average year again... hampson coming in should really free him up to play a true chf role if he can bulk up some more and hit packs hard this could be his year but if I see nothing id be prepared to offer him up as a trade
GO U TIGERS
too bad vickery has a glass jaw... he wont be hitting anything the softie
Here we go again...pull the string on the Vickery's a whimp Doll ::)
Vickery may not be Neil Balme tough but he ain't no squib. And I have seen him many times first in to backup a team mate in a scuffle.
Next time you are at training, why not call him over and personally tell him he has a glass Jaw and he is as you put it "a softie". So easy to hang it on a player sitting in front of a computer...
So sick of this crap... :banghead
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Have you never bagged anyone from behind your computer? Or while you're sitting in the stands? Bit rich. We all do it. Some more than others.
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Have you never bagged anyone from behind your computer? Or while you're sitting in the stands? Bit rich. We all do it. Some more than others.
Only to those that deserve it! ;D
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Have you never bagged anyone from behind your computer? Or while you're sitting in the stands? Bit rich. We all do it. Some more than others.
Have a trawl coach and see what you can find. Might have to go back a while probably to the Frawley years to find anything from me. In saying that you will never see me using personal abuse terms like "soft (second word has been editied by swear filter)" towards our players. At games, I will never bag our own players. I may pull my hair out and hang my head in frustration but I will never hurl abuse at them. Opposition players and umpires are fair game though. :thumbsup
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Yeah that's what I mean brother. I'd never abuse our players at a game, game day is all about support. On here though occasionally 95% of us will give a player a bake. I was more replying to your bit about bagging someone from behind the computer. If it applies to our players then it should apply to everyone IMO. You could imagine some Essendon flog reading this site and thinking "why don't these Richmond pricks say this stuff to our players in person". Personally I think we shouldn't take anything on here (or any other site) too seriously.
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I take everything you say seriously Coach.
:whistle
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Obviously I am a mentor and hero to you blokes but don't take everything to heart.
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One more year then delist
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Yeah that's what I mean brother. I'd never abuse our players at a game, game day is all about support. On here though occasionally 95% of us will give a player a bake. I was more replying to your bit about bagging someone from behind the computer. If it applies to our players then it should apply to everyone IMO. You could imagine some Essendon flog reading this site and thinking "why don't these Richmond pricks say this stuff to our players in person". Personally I think we shouldn't take anything on here (or any other site) too seriously.
Actually Coach, you make a very good point. We shoudn't take things said on here too seriously. We all vent in different ways. A bit like all those years as a kid when I went to the Catholic Confessional and said to the priest I would like forgiveness for saying that Vin Catoggio is a hairy boof headed Ape. Our priest was a well known Carlton Supporter and gave me 30 hail Mary's and 20 Our Father's. Would have gotten less for admitting to Murder. Every week I fired off a different scum player but the record penance was the Vin Catoggio one. ;D
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he has his chance to step up this year I got on hear last year and everyone bagged me for saying delist him or offer him for trade cause he was injured the year before... For a pick 9 he is yet to develop into a player as we expected know that hampson has come in he should really get to spend more time up at chf and less playing in the middle and show us what he is worth if we can get 40 out of him its a good return and start break packs son and hitting packs hard then I will say u have a future..
GO U TIGERS
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he has his chance to step up this year I got on hear last year and everyone bagged me for saying delist him or offer him for trade cause he was injured the year before... For a pick 9 he is yet to develop into a player as we expected know that hampson has come in he should really get to spend more time up at chf and less playing in the middle and show us what he is worth if we can get 40 out of him its a good return and start break packs son and hitting packs hard then I will say u have a future..
GO U TIGERS
I believe that is the second post in which you have used hear in the wrong context
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lol
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for/ruck - vickery 23, mcbean 19. to my way of thinking they are more kpps than ruckmen. i cant see either ever being a combative #1 ruck. so thats 2 for/rucks 3 if you include hampson more than enough.
vickery is still young for a ruckman.
i believe come 25/26/27 years of age he has the capacity of being a serviceable #1 ruckman. some of his best footy has been on the ball. his excellent agility for a bigman is especially prevalent when playing ruck
we dont have the luxury of this untill the like of Griff, Bean, Elton come good
claw - who would you say are the "combative #1 ruck." in the afl, aged 23 or less? Outside of nicnat
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Big Papi
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Robert Scheafer Mk II
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Started pre season already with the vixens
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Started pre season already with the vixens
;D
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for/ruck - vickery 23, mcbean 19. to my way of thinking they are more kpps than ruckmen. i cant see either ever being a combative #1 ruck. so thats 2 for/rucks 3 if you include hampson more than enough.
vickery is still young for a ruckman.
i believe come 25/26/27 years of age he has the capacity of being a serviceable #1 ruckman. some of his best footy has been on the ball. his excellent agility for a bigman is especially prevalent when playing ruck
we dont have the luxury of this untill the like of Griff, Bean, Elton come good
claw - who would you say are the "combative #1 ruck." in the afl, aged 23 or less? Outside of nicnat
every time i make comment on this bloke i end up getting abused. reckon ive constantly made what points i want to and im now at the point where im not commenting on him at all. he will have to let his football do the talking.
on the clubs decision to get hampson. tyrone turns 24 in early may hes played 70 odd games and will push toward 100 games next season. yet the club has gone out and got hampson to perform the ruck duties that vickery really should be taking on on a more regular basis if hes to become our #1 ruckman.
this suggests to me even the club have given up on the idea of him becoming a front line ruckman.
if he is to be one of our two kpfs i dont want him pinch hitting in the ruck at all that job now falls to hampson.
there are reasons why ive said vickery will struggle to play 1st ruck, they arent nice reasons but i will stick by em. i wont be repeating them ive said my piece many a time.
next yr i will rate his game or performance as a kpp thats about it.
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What if they want to play shorter than maric + hampson + Vickery in the same 21/22
Then extra midfielder instead of essentially three ruck
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so, who is "the "combative #1 ruck." in the afl, aged 23 or less? Outside of nicnat" ?
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so, who is "the "combative #1 ruck." in the afl, aged 23 or less? Outside of nicnat" ?
Well, I believe no one Al
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hmm how many ruckmen are there aged 23 or under.some off the top of my head who are in front of vickery purely as ruckmen
tom nichols, naitanui, zac clarke, zac smith, billy longer based on just 9 games.
heres a novel idea theres what 30 35 regular ruckmen in th comp or there abouts. after 5 yrs where does vickery sit as a ruckman among the lot of them id say if people took the time to look they would find him near the bottom of the list.
ffs he goes at less than 8 h/o a game. he doesnt bash or crash he doesnt compete in the air. no wonder we went and got hampson who by the way has a better record than vickery up to the same stage as poor as it is.
purely as a ruckman and a poor one at that gus graham is better performed in the role after 5 yrs than vickery.
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Tyrone doesn't crash packs?...ask mitch robinson what its like.
And that superb bit of ruckwork across our half back line late in the season which resulted in a running goal to matty white ,I would cross a lava pit to see.
And don't bang on about not seeing this sort of stuff often enough,he aint our number one ruckman after all.
I guess that fact he had 2 shoulder recos last season has absolutely no baring on form.
I think Tyrone has several areas of his game he needs working on,probably his second and third efforts .however given that big boys take time and a large part of his life at RFC has been on the surgeons table I am prepared to cut him some slak ,a few times actually
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Lol billy two kicks better than Vickery
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hmm how many ruckmen are there aged 23 or under.some off the top of my head who are in front of vickery purely as ruckmen
tom nichols, naitanui, zac clarke, zac smith, billy longer based on just 9 games.
Lmao at that list of spuds
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just gotta love the head in the sand brigade. every other teams ruckmen are spuds but the worst performed player in vickery is better.
yes even longer. he hasnt got much of the ball he goes at 7 disposals a game but as a ruckman hes going at 20 h/o a game and he competes against and gives a great contest against the leagues best ruckmen. geez just 9 games and hes already averaging 20 h/o a game.
what does tyrone go at again. whats that i hear 7 h/o a game. if i was after a ruckman i know which one id be chasing. and geez hes really racking up the numbers with 10 possesions a game of whick 90% are gathered more as a flanker than a kp/ruck.
in just 9 games as a ruckman longer has shot past old pea heart. but hey hes no good hes at an opposition club.
cmon someone point me in the direction where in tyrones 5 yrs to date hes taken on and beaten a good ruckman in a game. you cant play the position well if you crap your shorts every time you play there. cmon just 1 game wheres he dominated as a ruckman.
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Hampson #1 AFL hit out to advantage - no?
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Maybe Vickery doesn't average 20+ hitouts a game because he plays forward and possibly because Ivan Maric does most of the ruck duties? And considering we've recruited Hampson it seems clear to me Vickery will play as permanent forward in 2014. Not sure why we're judging him as a ruckman when he hardly stuffing plays there
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Maybe Vickery doesn't average 20+ hitouts a game because he plays forward and possibly because Ivan Maric does most of the ruck duties? And considering we've recruited Hampson it seems clear to me Vickery will play as permanent forward in 2014. Not sure why we're judging him as a ruckman when he hardly stuffing plays there
and why have they played him more forward then coach. the answer is pretty simple. hes failed as a ruckman. why have we gone and got hanpson. its simple because vickery has struggled as a ruckman.
why do people defend shoddy performances lack of consistency and failings in key areas so vigorously. im absolutely certain if vickery was at another club most people on here would be bagging the crap out of him.
if you do a comparison of nearly every other ruckman in the league in the role of ruckman hes behind nearly every one of them in the role. and its the same if you do it after the same length of time after 5 yrs. unlike a lot in 5 yrs hes managed 70 games far too many of em gifted.. in a nut shell hes struggled as a ruckman..
your right its as a kpf that hes shown some promise at times but sheesh if you dare mention what he does poorly look out. if you dont rate him highly enough for some look out.
why is it riewoldt always seems to have 2 or 3 opponents on him. its simple because blokes like vickery have not been a big enough threat to worry too much about.
i suppose in short what im saying is based on his overall performances he is greatly overrated by most richmond people.
thats not to say he doesnt have lots of talent and scope for improvement but you earn high praise its not handed out on potential alone.
for me its time for him to step up a level and warrant that rating or be prepared to cop the criticism that comes his way. almost a make or break season coming his way.
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and why have they played him more forward then coach. the answer is pretty simple. hes failed as a ruckman. why have we gone and got hanpson. its simple because vickery has struggled as a ruckman.
* you can only play one ruck per time. Maric is #1
* we have a lack of KPP; McBean, Griffiths, Elton in development hence Vickery is required a a forward for now
* Even if Vickery was the #1 ruck in the AFL.... Vickery, Maric, Orren would still be insufficient ruck stocks over the course of an AFL season. One, if not two ruckman were still required. Even with Hampson when are short a young, developing ruck IMO.
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and why have they played him more forward then coach. the answer is pretty simple. hes failed as a ruckman. why have we gone and got hanpson. its simple because vickery has struggled as a ruckman.
* you can only play one ruck per time. Maric is #1
* we have a lack of KPP; McBean, Griffiths, Elton in development hence Vickery is required a a forward for now
* Even if Vickery was the #1 ruck in the AFL.... Vickery, Maric, Orren would still be insufficient ruck stocks over the course of an AFL season. One, if not two ruckman were still required. Even with Hampson when are short a young, developing ruck IMO.
It's the bleeding obvious isn't it
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Vickers will only ever be a minimalist.
Improvement ?
Won't ever happen.
He'll always be the same as he is - 2-3 really good games a year.
Not a footballer.
He's not the messiah, he's just a very stupid boy.
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and why have they played him more forward then coach. the answer is pretty simple. hes failed as a ruckman. why have we gone and got hanpson. its simple because vickery has struggled as a ruckman.
* you can only play one ruck per time. Maric is #1
* we have a lack of KPP; McBean, Griffiths, Elton in development hence Vickery is required a a forward for now
* Even if Vickery was the #1 ruck in the AFL.... Vickery, Maric, Orren would still be insufficient ruck stocks over the course of an AFL season. One, if not two ruckman were still required. Even with Hampson when are short a young, developing ruck IMO.
It's the bleeding obvious isn't it
lol chucky. what ive seen of most of your posts you wouldnt know what obvious was if you fell over it. gotta love the band wagon posters.
so let me get this straight in defending vickery on the back of the judge. are you saying hes been a good consistent ruckman.
im asking again in his 5yrs can anyone bring up just one game where hes won his position as a ruckman against decent opposition no against any other ruckman will do.
the club must have a real lack of confidence in this bloke. next yr hes entering yr 6 turns 24 pushes toward 100 games is entering the stage of his career where hes deemed a mature player and its a stage where most ruckmen have blossomed yet we go and get hampson.
poor old ivan playing with chronic groin problems and vickery cant play a decent amount of time in the ruck to help him. geez when ivan cant get up we dont play vickery in the #1 role we promote poor old orren stephenson. :o
yep some things are very obvious but not to all of us it seems.
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and why have they played him more forward then coach. the answer is pretty simple. hes failed as a ruckman. why have we gone and got hanpson. its simple because vickery has struggled as a ruckman.
* you can only play one ruck per time. Maric is #1
* we have a lack of KPP; McBean, Griffiths, Elton in development hence Vickery is required a a forward for now
* Even if Vickery was the #1 ruck in the AFL.... Vickery, Maric, Orren would still be insufficient ruck stocks over the course of an AFL season. One, if not two ruckman were still required. Even with Hampson when are short a young, developing ruck IMO.
gotta disagree sorry. read my previous post.
gotta ask what has vickery done so far as a key forward to warrant automatic selection. id argue if we had just one other decent key forward outside of riewoldt vickery would not get games.
damn right we lack tall forwards at least two genuine ones. gotta ask is mcbean a key forward or is he a ruckman.the club is telling us like vickery they took him as a ruckman. if thats the case he is not a kpp but a ruck/for theres a major difference that is obvious but it seems most dont ever get it.
personally i reckon mcbean was an ideal candidate to play kpd. here we have a kid who comes to the club having played excellent footy as a kpd yet we continue to play genuine forwards like elton griffiths astbury in defense and stuff em up in the process. ffs if we need a kpf bloody target one and draft him. if we need a genuine ruckman just target one and draft him this best of both worlds has not worked.
im asking right now will mcbean ever play first ruck or is he a kpp sounds a bit like vickery where we hedge our bets and want the best of both worlds.
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Claw when chocco takes the Saints job,I reckon you would be a dead set certainty for his job at tigerland
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I would vote claw
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im absolutely certain if vickery was at another club most people on here would be bagging the crap out of him.
and you'd be talking him up as a stuffing hero
talk about head in the sand, most people on here are bagging the crap out of him
sheesh
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im absolutely certain if vickery was at another club most people on here would be bagging the crap out of him.
talk about head in the sand, most people on here are bagging the crap out of him
:yep
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Tell you what I reckon this bloke is going to show a lot this year, he is really going to be a very good player.
Just watching a few replays lately including the Bulldogs game and gee, he is not far off getting it all together and when he does look out.
He is a good grab, good at ground level, good contested marking and he moves well, could be the player that really makes a statement this year!!!
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Didn't he cop jeers at the footscray game ?
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As with a few of our talls eg Ty,griff the battle to be waged is upstairs,between the ears
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Isn't big Tyrone going out with Ash Barty ?
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Mrakov who is Ash barty?
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Mrakov who is Ash barty?
The teenis player
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Isn't big Tyrone going out with Ash Barty ?
Don't think its Barty, he is seeing a tennis player though
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Pretty sure it's Barty the Richmond supporter
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Didn't he cop jeers at the footscray game ?
Iirc he wasn't sighted for most of the first half but hit a real purple patch in the middle of the game
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Isn't big Tyrone going out with Ash Barty ?
Na, it's Arina Rodionova
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Correct taz, bro confirmed it and saw Ty watching her at quals.
Barty is a richmond ticket holder mad tigers fan, hence why cotch was sitting with her entourage
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As with a few of our talls eg Ty,griff the battle to be waged is upstairs,between the ears
nope the battle for ty is between the legs its called growing some balls.
its funny he trains well so hes going to be the next great key forward.
he is going to play deep he had damn well better start clunking lots of marks and constantly crash packs.time to put real size on his frame so he can compete and its time to get a bit of mongrel. its bloody time to work harder without the ball than with it.
mentally weak and physically challenged time to show he belongs there are no more excuses.
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As with a few of our talls eg Ty,griff the battle to be waged is upstairs,between the ears
nope the battle for ty is between the legs its called growing some balls.
its funny he trains well so hes going to be the next great key forward.
he is going to play deep he had damn well better start clunking lots of marks and constantly crash packs.time to put real size on his frame so he can compete and its time to get a bit of mongrel. its bloody time to work harder without the ball than with it.
mentally weak and physically challenged time to show he belongs there are no more excuses.
Ruckman take longer to develop. Give him till he's 28 and he'll be a star
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Nope, tys battle is not between his ears, he just mentally weak :lol
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As with a few of our talls eg Ty,griff the battle to be waged is upstairs,between the ears
nope the battle for ty is between the legs its called growing some balls.
its funny he trains well so hes going to be the next great key forward.
he is going to play deep he had damn well better start clunking lots of marks and constantly crash packs.time to put real size on his frame so he can compete and its time to get a bit of mongrel. its bloody time to work harder without the ball than with it.
mentally weak and physically challenged time to show he belongs there are no more excuses.
Ruckman take longer to develop. Give him till he's 28 and he'll be a star
Just to be sure lets give him until 30
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After a poor first half, TV woke up and showed what he can do when he puts his mind to it, kicking 4 in the second-half. Dimma must have given him a blast at half-time.
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Either that or Dimma promised to replace that finger with a fir hydrant up the arse :shh
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Very good game from the big fella. 8 goals in 2 weeks...not bad, not bad at all. :clapping
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Very good game from the big fella. 8 goals in 2 weeks...not bad, not bad at all. :clapping
Lets hope he can do this when it counts........
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Vickery set to soar
richmondfc.com.au
February 25, 2014 1:20 PM
Talented ‘tall’ Ty Vickery shapes as a player with the capacity to take the Tigers to the next level in season 2014.
Vickery, who made a solid return from a severe shoulder injury last season, to kick 27 goals, has displayed impressive form throughout the pre-season.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-02-25/vickery-set-to-soar
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5 a game or delist. :shh
Nah, seriously if he can become a 40-50 goal a year player he's done well IMO.
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4 eff u goals
Bloke can play. Get off his back.
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4 eff u goals
Bloke can play. Get off his back.
Last night is the reason the "Cameo King TM" frustrates the hell out of me and some many others I reckon
His 1st qtr was poor but after that he was good.
Why the huge swings in effort and intensity from week to week?
He shouldn't need rockets from coaches, criticism from the media and fans to put in that sort of effort
Last night is what he should gives us every week. Not a week on and them going missing for who knows how many weeks
Want people to get off his back? Then back up last night, next week, the week after and the weeks after that
One good game doesn't get you off the hook
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Dont worry he'll kick another 3 or 4 against an easy Bulldogs backline next week before dissapearing for another month or two
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#winningthecolemanatm
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Where is Ty at with his footy?
Can he make the jump to the elite? Does it matter enough to him to do so?
Starting to wonder if the fire is truly in the belly. Some recent tweets of his raise some eyebrows.
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being a non tweeter pls elaborate
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He said something along the lines of 'there's more to life than football' regarding Mitch Clarke.
He has a point, but the way he said it indicated that he too is personally struggling with the demands of the AFL life IMO and that he's not in it 100%.
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I dont really get there's more to life than "X", a lot of different things make up what life is, its all part of the adventure/journey...bit of a copout really.
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He said something along the lines of 'there's more to life than football' regarding Mitch Clarke.
He has a point, but the way he said it indicated that he too is personally struggling with the demands of the AFL life IMO and that he's not in it 100%.
This.
Posted another link recently to an NFL athlete who retired young as well..
Makes you wonder what's in his head that's for sure.
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He said something along the lines of 'there's more to life than football' regarding Mitch Clarke.
He has a point, but the way he said it indicated that he too is personally struggling with the demands of the AFL life IMO and that he's not in it 100%.
This.
Posted another link recently to an NFL athlete who retired young as well..
Makes you wonder what's in his head that's for sure.
Funny how we read things differently, how we read our take into what others say
I saw that Tweet and simply took it mean the Mitch Clark situation proves there more to life than footy. Nothing more or nothing less.
A persons health is far more important. And I totally agree, actually it's hard to argue
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He's gonna find out about life after football sooner than he thinks unless he extracts the digit.
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He said something along the lines of 'there's more to life than football' regarding Mitch Clarke.
He has a point, but the way he said it indicated that he too is personally struggling with the demands of the AFL life IMO and that he's not in it 100%.
This.
Posted another link recently to an NFL athlete who retired young as well..
Makes you wonder what's in his head that's for sure.
Funny how we read things differently, how we read our take into what others say
I saw that Tweet and simply took it mean the Mitch Clark situation proves there more to life than footy. Nothing more or nothing less.
A persons health is far more important. And I totally agree, actually it's hard to argue
I think emphasising it with "So far away from" as he did speaks volumes.
And I would suggest that if something's your primary source of income - a very generous income at that, if it's not the most important thing in your life, it should at least be right up there....not "so far away" from it....and Vickey's another entitled sub-30 softy who just doesn't want to put in the hard yards.
Would be interesting to see how he'd handle the harsh realities of the real world and real work...things I suspect he's never really experienced in his life so far.
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He said something along the lines of 'there's more to life than football' regarding Mitch Clarke.
He has a point, but the way he said it indicated that he too is personally struggling with the demands of the AFL life IMO and that he's not in it 100%.
This.
Posted another link recently to an NFL athlete who retired young as well..
Makes you wonder what's in his head that's for sure.
Funny how we read things differently, how we read our take into what others say
I saw that Tweet and simply took it mean the Mitch Clark situation proves there more to life than footy. Nothing more or nothing less.
A persons health is far more important. And I totally agree, actually it's hard to argue
I read it like you WP - nothing more nothing less.
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I'm not surprised Ty is suffering with mental issues as well due to fan expectations
Some of the fans who continually post poo about him should take note and feel ashamed
You know who you are
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I think emphasising it with "So far away from" as he did speaks volumes.
And I would suggest that if something's your primary source of income - a very generous income at that, if it's not the most important thing in your life, it should at least be right up there....not "so far away" from it....and Vickey's another entitled sub-30 softy who just doesn't want to put in the hard yards.
Would be interesting to see how he'd handle the harsh realities of the real world and real work...things I suspect he's never really experienced in his life so far.
Fair enough but
Personally, having learnt the hard way that your primary source of income is in the overall scheme of things not that important.
Family and health are.
The importance of my career has taken a massive back seat in the last 7-8 years. I learnt that having a great income means very little when you lose (unexpectedly) people that matter the most.
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Most people will deal with some kind of poo through the course of their lives, they still have to get on with it at some point and pay the bills. Earning a living is important simply because it's a necessity. Football is how Vickery currently earns his.
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If he can kick 45-50 goals this year and present a few crumbs for our non existent small forwards then he's done his job.
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Hmmm........ Maybe Tara should play the role of small forward.
See what I did there !?
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I'm not surprised Ty is suffering with mental issues as well due to fan expectations
Some of the fans who continually post poo about him should take note and feel ashamed
You know who you are
Leave him alone.
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IMO he still has something to offer as mobile ruck with the ability rove his own hit outs - he's ability in traffic is massively underrated, almost like a tall midfielder -which the modern ruck essentially needs to be. Personally though, I'd like too see us try him to the wing ala Richo 2008, he has all the attributes and he needs to get his hands on the ball.
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I'm not surprised Ty is suffering with mental issues as well due to fan expectations
Some of the fans who continually post poo about him should take note and feel ashamed
You know who you are
Leave him alone.
All of you.
ALL OF YOU.
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No
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IMO he still has something to offer as mobile ruck with the ability rove his own hit outs - he's ability in traffic is massively underrated, almost like a tall midfielder -which the modern ruck essentially needs to be. Personally though, I'd like too see us try him to the wing ala Richo 2008, he has all the attributes and he needs to get his hands on the ball.
Ive always felt this should be explored more by the coaching staff. I've liked what I see when Ty goes in the ruck, just has an awareness and rare agility when he has the ball in trafiic
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I'll be in minority but my wife's Aunty had depression and it was ordinary to watch.
Dunno what the answer is, quitting seems a bit excessive. Depression linked to losing loved ones or having some serious life change I understand. I don't understand how depression creeps into a highly paid person who is playing the sport they have grown up loving since they could walk.
Instead of depressant tablets maybe a walk around poverty stricken commission housing and maybe a light switch will turn on that elite sportsman lives whilst challenging is a pretty damn good life.
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I'm not surprised Ty is suffering with mental issues as well due to fan expectations
Some of the fans who continually post poo about him should take note and feel ashamed
You know who you are
agree such unrealistic expectations. we usually wait 7 yrs before we expect em to get a kick and take some contested marks. what the hell are those dastardly supporters doing.
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Most people will deal with some kind of poo through the course of their lives, they still have to get on with it at some point and pay the bills. Earning a living is important simply because it's a necessity. Football is how Vickery currently earns his.
Agree with that too, never said earning living wasn't important.
I need to work to pay the mortgage and all the other things but is work the most important thing in my life? Absolutely not, not anymore. My family is the most important thing so the days of work coming first are long gone.
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I'm not surprised Ty is suffering with mental issues as well due to fan expectations
Some of the fans who continually post poo about him should take note and feel ashamed
You know who you are
agree such unrealistic expectations. we usually wait 7 yrs before we expect em to get a kick and take some contested marks. what the hell are those dastardly supporters doing.
Glad to see you are coming around, keep up the good work
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I need to work to pay the mortgage and all the other things but is work the most important thing in my life? Absolutely not, not anymore. My family is the most important thing so the days of work coming first are long gone.
Work certainly has a greater priority in one's life pre children.
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I need to work to pay the mortgage and all the other things but is work the most important thing in my life? Absolutely not, not anymore. My family is the most important thing so the days of work coming first are long gone.
Work certainly has a greater priority in one's life pre children.
We don't have two legged kids
Just 3 - 4 legged one :laugh:
And they weren't the catalyst for the change in priorities/philosophy :thumbsup
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I'll be in minority but my wife's Aunty had depression and it was ordinary to watch.
Dunno what the answer is, quitting seems a bit excessive. Depression linked to losing loved ones or having some serious life change I understand. I don't understand how depression creeps into a highly paid person who is playing the sport they have grown up loving since they could walk.
Instead of depressant tablets maybe a walk around poverty stricken commission housing and maybe a light switch will turn on that elite sportsman lives whilst challenging is a pretty damn good life.
It's important to understand that clinical depression is an illness that results from a chemical imbalance in the brain. There are various circumstances that cause the imbalance in the first place, but being sad about something isn't one of them. Medication to correct the chemical imbalance helps, but getting back to doing the things that once were enjoyable is the longer term key.
I don't often agree with much that Jeff Kennett says, but he is on the ball with his comments from Beyond Blue.
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I've worked in a locked adult psychiatric in-patient unit previously for a long stint.
Depression is a very difficult thing to overcome and to help a person through. And it's a very physical illness as well as a mental one.
So I'm glad Mitch Clarke is going to look after himself. But yeah Tyrone's tweet made me think about where his head is at ATM. Not necessarily from a 'depression' point of view, but more from a commitment one. It just made me think he's not 90-100% in the game like you want a player to be...
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Voss on Fox absolutely savaged the effort by Vickery in that half, said his efforts were unacceptable, coincidentally he has been subbed.
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Sideshow Bob should've been traded when he had currency.
I suggested a cheaper & better alternative was Jesse White at Sydney but I was laughed at.
I reckon Jesse White doesn't look as bad now.
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Tyrone icing his thigh, he'll miss a few and we'll hear from Dimma how immensely important he is to our structure.
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Tyrone icing his thigh, he'll miss a few and we'll hear from Dimma how immensely important he is to our structure.
Someone plunge a shiv into it handle deep. Make the prick not come back EVER.
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The guy is just happy to go through the motions
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hasnt come on. getting free games from hardwick. going nowhere fast in his career. just another average at this stage.
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Better than Hampson ffs
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Better than Hampson ffs
A second round pick for this bloke. They are kidding themselves down at Punt Road.
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Vickery = t@s on a bull
Has forgone his right as a lead up forward. Behind Elton. Behind McBean. Absolute liability.
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Who else did a small fist pump when they not only saw Ty subbed, but wrapped in ice....
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Who else did a small fist pump when they not only saw Ty subbed, but wrapped in ice....
Nah bc he has an excuse for being dropped next week. I want to see dimma actually omit him based on pooness and then stuffing admit it publicly!
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Looked fine to me after the game, a necessity that he does not play next week, Grigg and Edwards can join him on the sidelines, Newman lucky to remain also and Ellis should be the sub at best.
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So many duds. So many......
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I thought he was subbed because of poor form,didnt realise he was injured...pull a heart muscle did he?
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Another one we jumped the gun to re-sign and won't be able to trade while they're still worth something......RFC - dumber than a hampster....
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The whole club is in a false comfort zone, so far ahead of em selves it's not funny.
Vickery is the biggest joke in the afl FMD
That's enough :banghead
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While I stand by comments of two posts ago, he's not a completely lost cause yet but it's about 2 minutes to midnight on that clock and I have doubts the coach has the nouse or the club has the standards to do what needs to be done to get the best out of him.
At the moment though he seems right on track on track to be remembered as the Tambling of Talls.
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Sleeps with the lights on, will quit AFL with depression in 1-2 seasons and everyone will give him a parade about how effing brave he is.
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No Intencity
No Heart
No Guts
No Effort
No Presence
No involvement
No Perserverance
No Competitiveness
No Hope
Happy to have the coach cover for him each time he has a stinker shows to me one of two things either Dimma is walking with his head in his rectum or the players are wagging Dimma's tail. Don't know which is worse right now frankly. :help
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Got the biggest cheer of his career last night when it was announced he had been subbed out of the game
Sums it up really
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Should have kept Angus graham.............nah.....but vickers was dismal. Need to put more Time into griffiths, elton & McBean
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He's a bit soft. We have quite a few like that unfortunately especially our big men.
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Got the biggest cheer of his career last night when it was announced he had been subbed out of the game
Sums it up really
Our love our fans but that was pathetic. We are better than that. Vickery is crap, the only way to change that is for him to get confidence through the VFL and at training, he didn't need that. Thats what a poo club does, like Essendon or Melbourne.
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He's a big horses hoof
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Ty may soon find there's more to life than football. It certainly doesn't appear to be his priority atm.
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The sooner Elton or McBean come on the better. He isn't a 2nd ruck anymore so we don't "need" him. Stop coasting. prick
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He's a big horses hoof
:clapping
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He isn't a 2nd ruck anymore so we don't "need" him.
Why we just threw in the towel with him in that role is beyond me. No patience. Put him back there and rotate him to the wing ala Richo. At he's true best he plays like a tall mid -which is what the modern ruckman essentially has to be. Don't care what he fluked three years ago when he snuck under opposition's radar as an unknown quantity - he's just a waste of time as a permanent forward......you put him there for a rest or as a shock tactic. He needs to to move with the ball and play instinctively not stand & wait or have to think and try and read the advancing play. He's a reflex player not an anticipator.
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He isn't a 2nd ruck anymore so we don't "need" him.
Why we just threw in the towel with him in that role is beyond me. No patience. Put him back there and rotate him to the wing ala Richo. At he's true best he plays like a tall mid -which is what the modern ruckman essentially has to be. Don't care what he fluked three years ago when he snuck under opposition's radar as an unknown quantity - he's just a waste of time as a permanent forward.
I'd be worried that Griff will go missing if he isn't given ruck duties. Bit of a dilemma.
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Yes it is unfortunately. I advocated for Griffith in the ruck for that reason as well. At this point in time I'd drop Vickery back to the twos anyway.
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Walked off the ground relaxed, content and not caring.
Some of our players were hurting but this big goofball almost cracked a smile.
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Got the biggest cheer of his career last night when it was announced he had been subbed out of the game
Sums it up really
Our love our fans but that was pathetic. We are better than that. Vickery is crap, the only way to change that is for him to get confidence through the VFL and at training, he didn't need that. Thats what a poo club does, like Essendon or Melbourne.
I wish they were Pope but a good portion aren't
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Got the biggest cheer of his career last night when it was announced he had been subbed out of the game
Sums it up really
A big cheer wasnt enough. The cheer squad should have punched out a quick banner for him to run through on his way to the rooms.
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Got the biggest cheer of his career last night when it was announced he had been subbed out of the game
Sums it up really
A big cheer wasnt enough. The cheer squad should have punched out a quick banner for him to run through on his way to the rooms.
A Western Bulldogs type banner ie Our mastermind Brendan McCartney.
Pillow muncher- Ty Vickery.
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Gonna have to be dropped if the players are ever going to get the message that they have to earn their spots every week !! Same goes for Ellis and Grigg.
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Got the biggest cheer of his career last night when it was announced he had been subbed out of the game
Sums it up really
Our love our fans but that was pathetic. We are better than that. Vickery is crap, the only way to change that is for him to get confidence through the VFL and at training, he didn't need that. Thats what a poo club does, like Essendon or Melbourne.
Sorry Pope, though I can see your point I can't agree
Facts are people are incredibly (rightly I might annoyed) with what Tyrone has been dishing up, not just this year but the last few. They are angry and frustrated. 4 games into the season bad he's given one good performance and been missing in action for the other 3. That's been his MOU for the last 3 years, one good game and missing for the next 3-6. He is capable of a lot better
I am not sure what message he is getting from the coaches but perhaps last night's "message" from the fans maybe the real rocket he needs to actually get his act together. :pray
I didn't cheer when he was subbed but I wont be critical of anyone who did. People pay good $$$ to go and watch this side and what they are dishing up at the moment is simply no acceptable on any level
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I just hope Ty is mentally tough enough to get thru the fans hatred
Mental health is nothing to take lightly
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I just hope Ty is mentally tough enough to get thru the fans hatred
Mental health is nothing to take lightly
If not, im sure the juicy six figure salary he is on for doing STUFF ALL will ensure he can afford the best treatment.
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I just hope Ty is mentally tough enough to get thru the fans hatred
Mental health is nothing to take lightly
How about our mental health Chucky?
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Got the biggest cheer of his career last night when it was announced he had been subbed out of the game
Sums it up really
Our love our fans but that was pathetic. We are better than that. Vickery is crap, the only way to change that is for him to get confidence through the VFL and at training, he didn't need that. Thats what a poo club does, like Essendon or Melbourne.
Sorry Pope, though I can see your point I can't agree
Facts are people are incredibly (rightly I might annoyed) with what Tyrone has been dishing up, not just this year but the last few. They are angry and frustrated. 4 games into the season bad he's given one good performance and been missing in action for the other 3. That's been his MOU for the last 3 years, one good game and missing for the next 3-6. He is capable of a lot better
I am not sure what message he is getting from the coaches but perhaps last night's "message" from the fans maybe the real rocket he needs to actually get his act together. :pray
I didn't cheer when he was subbed but I wont be critical of anyone who did. People pay good $$$ to go and watch this side and what they are dishing up at the moment is simply no acceptable on any level
I'm as annoyed as anyone.
A crowd cheering a player getting subbed gets them nowhere. As far as fan voice goes u maybe right but look at Jack Watts. Not many whipping boys turn it around.
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I reckon Vickery has some serious mental problems with the game and how much it means to him ( those tweets ).
I don't think he wants it enough and frankly just doesn't care as much as an AFL player should.
Cheering him off when he is subbed definitely wouldn't help him and it's pretty disgraceful. Yes we pay good money to go and watch but cheering off subbed players is what a weak club would do.
Civil war.
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Looks like jane plays like jane
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No doubt some genius on here will find my post when he was first drafted
Should not have got drafted in the first place as was a huge risk due to not playing enough footy in the year he got drafted due to knee injury and then for some unknown reason continues to get a game when clearly not up to it
Richmond need to take the blinkers off on this player
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CBF
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Stats dont lie, the only player not to lay a tackle coll v rich? Tyrone Vickery
F H O
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Subbed out not injured so we'll have to put up with him again next week
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Got the biggest cheer of his career last night when it was announced he had been subbed out of the game
Sums it up really
Our love our fans but that was pathetic. We are better than that. Vickery is crap, the only way to change that is for him to get confidence through the VFL and at training, he didn't need that. Thats what a poo club does, like Essendon or Melbourne.
Sorry Pope, though I can see your point I can't agree
Facts are people are incredibly (rightly I might annoyed) with what Tyrone has been dishing up, not just this year but the last few. They are angry and frustrated. 4 games into the season bad he's given one good performance and been missing in action for the other 3. That's been his MOU for the last 3 years, one good game and missing for the next 3-6. He is capable of a lot better
I am not sure what message he is getting from the coaches but perhaps last night's "message" from the fans maybe the real rocket he needs to actually get his act together. :pray
I didn't cheer when he was subbed but I wont be critical of anyone who did. People pay good $$$ to go and watch this side and what they are dishing up at the moment is simply no acceptable on any level
I'm as annoyed as anyone.
A crowd cheering a player getting subbed gets them nowhere. As far as fan voice goes u maybe right but look at Jack Watts. Not many whipping boys turn it around.
I'm annoyed too Pope but I have ugraded my membership to coterie, contribute to FTF attend club functions and help monetarily as best as I can whilst budgeting for my family also. Whilst money can't buy you success you would think the club would at least have more respect to the fans given there are over 63k this year.
If Ty can't handle it who gives a fuuuccck. I can't handle being poo for 30 years with no end in sight or just when I think we may be climbing the mountain the mountain suddenly bulges upwards another 1000 metres. I'll be a supporter of this club well after Ty leaves so who cares if he can't handle it.
Or would you find this ironic Pope? A few mins after the sub was displayed on the screen they had an image of Dimma with the message are you giving 110% and donate to the FTF when a large section of the members in the Olympic were screaming sentiments along the lines of "Are you Dimma". Fully endorsed those members sentiments may I add with RFC players and dignitaries within range looking blankly into space making no movements.
Timing is everything in football and RFC have had no timing whatsoever. You take the 94,690 in a final in good times you take the criticism in bad. If they can't stand the heat in the kitchen get the eff out.
I'm a paying customer and I aint happy.
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Stats dont lie, the only player not to lay a tackle coll v rich? Tyrone Vickery
F H O
He had two handballs and 10 Collingwood rebound 50's.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tKucGwIzuak/UvvDtCteHnI/AAAAAAAABIU/Ab2v3RawCto/s1600/td4d592_sideshow-bob-steps-on-rakes-o.gif)
Poor bastard got rake poisoning last night.
Why can't anybody see this?
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Stats dont lie, the only player not to lay a tackle coll v rich? Tyrone Vickery
F H O
He had two handballs and 10 Collingwood rebound 50's.
:lol
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Looks like jane plays like jane
:lol you've had some pearlers lately. :clapping
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When I read a couple of his tweets this week about Mitch Clark, I started wondering about subtle cries for help. What he tweeted sounded familiar.
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He told himself footy isn't the most important thing in life, what did we expect ? What a massive passenger
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Definite wake up call.
How much do you want it really want to be an AFL player Tyrone?
Could go either way from here..
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He'll play next week against Hawthorn.
Tokenism at its best. That's why he'll never develop properly because he is not earning his spot.
Make him earn it and maybe he may fight for it.
Simple solution really. :-\
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Should have held off on that new contract of his. Made him earn it.
Seems he's happy to just put in his half-efforts now that he's guaranteed some money...
Heart isn't in it...
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We're Hampson hit out effective?
Whilst Maric is hurt play Vickery #1 ruck
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I thought his ruck work was good.
Pity is he just can't to a goddamn thing besides. He's mobile but couldn't mark a window with a handful of grease.
I'd go so far as to say he's a better tap than Maric, but clearly Maric gives you more every other way around the ground.
On the up-side Griffiths looks very solid.
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Where as Vickery is very agile, plays well in th ruck and can do things around the ground
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Can. If he feels like it.
Still? I'd rather have Hampson at the centre bounce any day over Vickery.
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When the are hand balling it around the backline and its hampsons turn its vey worrying
Angus graham like
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Yeah. I can't believe Dusty handballed it to him in the D50 towards the end of the game LOL.
Miles better than Vickery in the ruck though.
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There's no spot in the side for him right now. Griffith is so much better
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Proposal:
Out Hampson
In Tyrone
Griff no change
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And lose all Hampson's hitout to advantage in the hope Vickery might touch it 10 times?
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Proposal:
Out Hampson
In Tyrone
No.
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Proposal:
Out Hampson
In Tyrone
Griff no change
No way.
Out Hampson
In Maric
That's all folks.
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with vickery @ ff and hampson #1 ruck the reserves should be able to not lose by 100 point
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Waste of space.
Trade.
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And yet better than hampson
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And yet better than hampson
No he's not. Hampson can at least ruck.
Vickery does nothing well right now.
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Hampson is like being aan down around the ground
Vickery has more ability ie. Can catch
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Hampson is like being aan down around the ground
Vickery has more ability ie. Can catch
Vickery plays with zero intensity right now.
Anyways I am not going to argue the merits over a couple of spuds.
Vickery has more trade value.
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Hampson is like being aan down around the ground
Vickery has more ability ie. Can catch
We know he can catch. He has shown us before . Think he needs to discover he can still do it for a fewweeks in the 2's. Not be gifted a game after 1 just ok game.
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Hampson literally can't
Good luck river
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Watching vickery yesterday the one thing he does almost every single time is mis read the flight of the ball.He gets under it almost every single contest.
Has the kid had his eyes tested..seriously
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Vickery makes me Sickery.
Take the number 29 off him and give him a flogging.
Guy is disinterested, mind is elsewhere.
Last quarter was outmarked on the HFF by Jamar or How and rather than get on the mark stood there for a second replayed the incident put his hands up as if he was practicing what he should have done much like a cricketer beaten outside off stump. By the time he turned around Nat Jones and co were careering down the Members Stand Wing.
Pathetic, pea hearted, paltry footballer.
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Watching vickery yesterday the one thing he does almost every single time is mis read the flight of the ball.He gets under it almost every single contest.
Has the kid had his eyes tested..seriously
Giggsy that's almost what it seems like if its non footy related read my post. Kid needs to play with contacts. He is nowhere near it in the marking contest however on ground level he is just as pathetic so whilst to a neutral observer his vision might be the issue to a disgruntled RFC fan it looks like he is not half arsed but quarter arsed.
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Yes I tend to agree.I really thought this kid was going to be the CHF we have wanted since the days of Royce,but he aint..Unfortunately I'm resigned at this stage anyway that I was wrong in my judgement and he's a dud.
The likes of Tyrone and monsieur grigg fall into the category of having bludgers body language out on the field.they look like they don't care,a bit like gasper had...
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Guy is disinterested, mind is elsewhere.
This is obvious.
Jogs around like he's filling in time until he does something he actually likes.
I'd drop him again this week.
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drop him & dont play him again this year. Give his spot to Griffiths
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Agree. the guy is a liability
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How does it go again?
Oh yes... dud, delist!
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These five players just have to win the mind game
Wayne Carey
The Age
May 23, 2014
"Making it" in the AFL is a tough gig. Ours is easily one of the most rigorous games in the world that demands strength, endurance and skill. While they're all physical traits, none is as important as what is above the shoulders.
My old coach Denis Pagan said on numerous occasions that football doesn't build character, it just eliminates the weak ones. Mental strength is the defining ingredient that separates footy's elite from the also-rans and, right now, has some footballers at the crossroads of their careers.
Every club will know the guys I'm talking about. They're the ones who "have it all", yet often fail to deliver. I'm not expecting any of these footballers to be superstars of the competition, but you can't sugarcoat their output over their careers.
Tyrone Vickery (Richmond): Drafted at No. 8 in 2008. 200cm. 98kg
After a couple of years of promise, Vickery's career statistics tell the story. He is averaging just 10 disposal a game, is taking fewer than four marks, isn't averaging a single score assist, while averaging just one goal per game and less than two tackles. He just isn't showing the desire or passion to play. That's not to say he doesn't show it at times, it's just that he doesn't show it consistently enough for a guy who's been on a list for more than five years. Just imagine if he was tearing into a contest like Joe Daniher at Essendon? A young player like Daniher might not boast better stats, but it's his attack on the footy that deserves credit.
Liam Jones (Western Bulldogs): Drafted at No. 32 in 2008 197cm. 98kg
Rhys Stanley (St Kilda): Drafted at No. 47 in 2008. 200cm. 96kg
Shaun McKernan (Adelaide): Drafted at No. 28 in 2008. 196cm. 99kg
Majak Daw (North Melbourne): Drafted at No. 9 in the 2010 rookie draft. 195cm. 97kg
Having listed those guys, it's important to reiterate that I don't expect any of them to be a Jonathan Brown or a Nick Riewoldt. What their clubs and fans are desperate to see is a certain level of competitiveness, hardness and willingness to hit a contest that is predictable to their onballers and teammates on a consistent basis.
Chris Dawes is the perfect example. He'd be the first to admit that he's not blessed with the greatest skills in the competition, but it's his endeavour and workrate that has helped turn Melbourne's season around. Dawes' form this year is probably better than anything I ever saw of him at Collingwood. It just shows what you can do when you put your mind to it. Since returning to the field for the Demons, he just seems to have been saying "come on boys, this is how it's done". He had eight tackles last week. It's that competitiveness, and willingness to have a go that also saved Jobe Watson's career. He too was at the crossroads as he battled weight and the way he prepared for footy. All of a sudden he went from a guy who might not make it, to a Brownlow medallist.
Shane Mumford is another who should be praised for the way he has turned his career around. He struggled to get a game at Geelong, but went to Sydney and turned himself into such a competitive beast that he played in a premiership. GWS look a far poorer team without him on the field.
What I’m getting back to is that the game is played in your head. It's all about attitude. Where some players might have a defeatist attitude if they're outnumbered, good footballers become even more determined just to make a contest. That's what prolongs, or ends, careers.
Consider this. The average career in the AFL is just 38 games. All the guys I've mentioned have the potential to be better than the average footballer. They just have to win the mind game.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/these-five-players-just-have-to-win-the-mind-game-20140522-zrl0y.html
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:clapping
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Plays like a girl, needs to go to an army boot camp and be pushed to his physical limits, either doesn't want to be an AFL footballer or simply doesn't have what it takes, one of the more disappointing stories from the season of horrors.
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Not a single score assist......
Tells the story oh so well!
It's good to have stats that actually back up what you see.
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Just doesn't want the ball enough. Scared of making mistakes.
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Plays like someone who simply doesn't want to be on the field.
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The comments he made on twitter re: Mitch Clarke gave him away. Game simply doesn't mean that much to him.
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Trade before he leaves for peanuts in a few years. Or worse stays till he retires. :o
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Trade before he leaves for peanuts in a few years. Or worse stays till he retires. :o
Agree or we try and size him up to play as a full time ruck.
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Plays like a girl, needs to go to an army boot camp and be pushed to his physical limits, either doesn't want to be an AFL footballer or simply doesn't have what it takes, one of the more disappointing stories from the season of horrors.
Or Kakoda. He might even get some perspective on life.
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"Oh Look, Ty is immensely important to our structure"
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chris dawes is the perfect example of the things vickery has to do.
said on the game day thread dawes didnt have huge stats but his work rate compared to our cinderellas was huge. ffs brad miller warts and all would remain a better option than vickery up forward.
it looks to me vickery is a bit of a ruckman at times a bit of a forward at times he does both but hes not good at either.
his height says he should play ruck so few 200cm plus kpfs have made the grade. trouble is he lacks too many things to play in the ruck.
at 24yo he has 12 games to turn it around it is time to put up or go.
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Or Kakoda. He might even get some perspective on life.
Wouldnt last the first 10 minutes.
chris dawes is the perfect example of the things vickery has to do.
said on the game day thread dawes didnt have huge stats but his work rate compared to our cinderellas was huge. ffs brad miller warts and all would remain a better option than vickery up forward.
at 24yo he has 12 games to turn it around it is time to put up or go.
Agree with all of that. Lets hope those 12 games are in the reserves
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Vickery building to something special: Jackson
richmondfc.com.au
May 28, 2014 2:06 PM
“I think Ty’s the same [as Jay Schulz]," Daniel Jackson said on 3AW.
"He often looks a little bit laconic in the way he goes about it, but I spend a lot of time, even in my off-season, training with him, and he trains as hard as anyone. When he’s in the boxing ring, he’s as feisty as anyone.
“We see that, maybe not quite as much as everyone would like on the footy field, but I think, again, it’s just a matter of time.
“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
“I’ve still got 100% faith that he’s going to be a huge player in this competition over the years to come.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-28/vickery-building-to-something-special
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Oh I wish Coach was still here, he would have something really enlightening to say on this comparison
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Oh I wish Coach was still here, he would have something really enlightening to say on this comparison
What's happened to Uncle Coach?
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“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
F K N B S !!
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Should just come out and move forward
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“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
F K N B S !!
Exactly Brodie Grundy anyone. :shh
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“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
F K N B S !!
Exactly Brodie Grundy anyone. :shh
Im sure plenty in here will tell you how over rated and crap he is
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“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
F K N B S !!
Exactly Brodie Grundy anyone. :shh
Im sure plenty in here will tell you how over rated and crap he is
I watch him each week and he's good but he's over hyped because he's a Pie.
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“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
F K N B S !!
Exactly Brodie Grundy anyone. :shh
Im sure plenty in here will tell you how over rated and crap he is
I watch him each week and he's good but he's over hyped because he's a Pie.
Lets not forget his age... For his age, his output is sensational
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“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
F K N B S !!
Exactly Brodie Grundy anyone. :shh
Im sure plenty in here will tell you how over rated and crap he is
I watch him each week and he's good but he's over hyped because he's a Pie.
Lets not forget his age... For his age, his output is sensational
Certainly but he already had a mans body. Not too many 200cm blokes come in with not just the size and weight but also the strength. I think he will end up like a 2012 Maric which is a top 3 ruck in the league. I think the athletic guys will still jump over him especially as AFL turns into netball. :shh
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“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
F K N B S !!
Exactly Brodie Grundy anyone. :shh
Im sure plenty in here will tell you how over rated and crap he is
I watch him each week and he's good but he's over hyped because he's a Pie.
Lets not forget his age... For his age, his output is sensational
Certainly but he already had a mans body. Not too many 200cm blokes come in with not just the size and weight but also the strength. I think he will end up like a 2012 Maric which is a top 3 ruck in the league. I think the athletic guys will still jump over him especially as AFL turns into netball. :shh
Sure, agree with that. Not saying he will be the boss, just that hes already good and makes me laugh how some of our supporters put down opposition players no matter who they are like danger, cameron etc ;D (not talking about you, you're always measured).
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“I think Ty’s the same [as Jay Schulz]," Daniel Jackson said on 3AW.
That's excellent trade talk Dan.
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“Big guys take a bit longer to build that confidence up.
F K N B S !!
Exactly Brodie Grundy anyone. :shh
Im sure plenty in here will tell you how over rated and crap he is
I watch him each week and he's good but he's over hyped because he's a Pie.
Lets not forget his age... For his age, his output is sensational
Certainly but he already had a mans body. Not too many 200cm blokes come in with not just the size and weight but also the strength. I think he will end up like a 2012 Maric which is a top 3 ruck in the league. I think the athletic guys will still jump over him especially as AFL turns into netball. :shh
Sure, agree with that. Not saying he will be the boss, just that hes already good and makes me laugh how some of our supporters put down opposition players no matter who they are like danger, cameron etc ;D (not talking about you, you're always measured).
:lol so true. Cameron is a gun. Though he's been appalling the last 2 times we've matched up. Long may that continue. :shh
My only knock on Danger is he's selfish but so would I if I was as good as him and played with the plebs he's with. ;D
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Out
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Out
Source?
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Out
Source pls
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i suspect phil has heard something around his haunts about Tyrone "coming out"
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My mail is good
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My mail is good
:clapping
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What do people think Vickery's trade value is worth? Do you think there is a side out there that could get better out of him and find a role for him?
If we can it would be good to use him to trade up or get a draft pick or two somehow. Does anyone think he is worth anything to another club?
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What do people think Vickery's trade value is worth? Do you think there is a side out there that could get better out of him and find a role for him?
If we can it would be good to use him to trade up or get a draft pick or two somehow. Does anyone think he is worth anything to another club?
Any other side would probably make him a champion. He just needs the riot act read to him and he'll turn his career around a la Schultz.
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What do people think Vickery's trade value is worth? Do you think there is a side out there that could get better out of him and find a role for him?
If we can it would be good to use him to trade up or get a draft pick or two somehow. Does anyone think he is worth anything to another club?
Any other side would probably make him a champion. He just needs the riot act read to him and he'll turn his career around a la Schultz.
Don't know whether that is a blight on Sickery or the RFC development regime. :-\
Probably a bit of both.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop.©
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Cut losses & trade. Keep Reggie Dwight.
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Get rid of, don't care if we get nothing, he's stuffing crap and will never amount to much bc deep down he doesn't really give a poo
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What do people think Vickery's trade value is worth? Do you think there is a side out there that could get better out of him and find a role for him?
If we can it would be good to use him to trade up or get a draft pick or two somehow. Does anyone think he is worth anything to another club?
Any other side would probably make him a champion. He just needs the riot act read to him and he'll turn his career around a la Schultz.
How about Brisbane, apart from Johnno they have near noone up forward. Could backup luenberger in ruck and Leppa has coached him before. Question is what would we get?
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Why does a player need to have the riot act read to him? Schulz came good because he had guts. Vickery is a pansy. White has come good because he is determined and works hard. Vickery doesn't give a crap. ;)
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Why does a player need to have the riot act read to him? Schulz came good because he had guts. Vickery is a pansy. White has come good because he is determined and works hard. Vickery doesn't give a crap. ;)
:thumbsup
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Why does a player need to have the riot act read to him? Schulz came good because he had guts. Vickery is a pansy. White has come good because he is determined and works hard. Vickery doesn't give a crap. ;)
Ok Coach. We know you love Schultz.
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Send him to Brisbane with our pick 4 for their pick 2.
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What do people think Vickerys trade value is worth?
A box of urine cakes
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Send him to Brisbane with our pick 4 for their pick 2.
Great and we'll on trade to Sydney to get Derickx back.
Come on Blair make it happen. :clapping
What do people think Vickerys trade value is worth?
A box of urine cakes
Just one box? :lol :rollin :lol
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What do people think Vickerys trade value is worth?
A box of urine cakes
Name brand or generic?
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What do people think Vickerys trade value is worth?
A box of urine cakes
Name brand or generic?
Generic and the box is empty, a bit like his skull and the place where his heart is meant to be located.
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vickery, griffiths, mcbean. all 200cm fwd/rucks one thing is clear. as far as the list goes we have no need for all three we can afford to trade or cut one of them.
atm im inclined to hang onto only mcbean and try and get what we can for the other two.
finish low enough and we could address the kpf need with pat mccartin and tom lamb if we could find a way to trade into a top 12 15 pick.. one a big powerful genuine kpf the other a similar type to jack gunston probably more athletic. we could then have a look at two from last yr in hourigan and conlon as rookies if they have good yrs. i thought hourigan in particular should have at least been rookied. im happy to take a punt on conlon and his injuries. nothing ventured nothing gained.
reckon our tall list of fwds would look much better with riewoldt, mccartin, elton, lamb,mcbean and rookies hourigan,conlan it doesnt have to be these players either its an example of what maybe done.
so for me vickery or griffiths is a means to an end.they are expendable imo
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What do people think we could get for Tyrone?
I think maybe a third rounder.
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What do people think we could get for Tyrone?
I think maybe a third rounder.
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I'd take both.
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What do people think Vickerys trade value is worth?
A box of urine cakes
Name brand or generic?
Generic and the box is empty, a bit like his skull and the place where his heart is meant to be located.
Used trough lollies. From an asparagus farm
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun twitter:
Damien Hardwick says Tigers are "lacking that second key forward that can grab the game by the scuff of the neck" on @triplemfooty.
Hardwick said "we think Ty (Vickery) is that guy" but added he "hasn't performed to the standard we'd like" this season.
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Vickery will rise tonight. :pray :pray :pray
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Vickery has been ordinary but there's no way that Hampson should be playing in front of him, Hamspud at CHF, sheesus
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Vickery will rise tonight. :pray :pray :pray
Yeah he will rise in the stands when the Tiges kick a goal lol
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Silly me his not good enough to get a game ;D
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun twitter:
Damien Hardwick says Tigers are "lacking that second key forward that can grab the game by the scuff of the neck" on @triplemfooty.
Hardwick said "we think Ty (Vickery) is that guy" but added he "hasn't performed to the standard we'd like" this season.
i know hardwick has to talk em the players up, but if he truly believes vickery is the answer fwd he has to be sacked we cant tolerate anymore delusions.
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He truly does the fool :banghead
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun twitter:
Damien Hardwick says Tigers are "lacking that second key forward that can grab the game by the scuff of the neck" on @triplemfooty.
Hardwick said "we think Ty (Vickery) is that guy" but added he "hasn't performed to the standard we'd like" this season.
I thought on sen interview he commented that he saw tv as a ruckman with good ability around the stoppages ::)
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I don't care who comes into the side but Hampson has to go
Honestly to quote the big Swerve ; the stuffing stuffer is stuffing stuffed
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Better than hampson aedwards.Chaplin
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Better than hampson
Sadly :yep
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun twitter:
Damien Hardwick says Tigers are "lacking that second key forward that can grab the game by the scuff of the neck" on @triplemfooty.
Hardwick said "we think Ty (Vickery) is that guy" but added he "hasn't performed to the standard we'd like" this season.
I thought on sen interview he commented that he saw tv as a ruckman with good ability around the stoppages ::)
I'm pretty sure he did. We are going to get another Vickery :shh
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I think Dimma might just be in love with Tybones. Someone asked why Tybones dad was manning the interchange. It's called "getting Daddys approval"
Can anyone photoshop Tybones in a wedding frock?
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Better than hampson
Sadly :yep
It's not sad
Tyrone is still young and has currency
Superior to Hampson everywhere outside tap ruck work which is overrated when the player in question is like being a man down in everything else
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Now that Jonathan Brown has retired, the Lions are going to need a forward right? What are your guys thoughts on trading TV in exchange for a pick in the ND?
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Now that Jonathan Brown has retired, the Lions are going to need a forward right? What are your guys thoughts on trading TV in exchange for a pick in the ND?
:yep
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If they took Raines for a second or third or whatever it was a good second rounder for an up and coming tall KPF will do thanks
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I'd be disappointed if we didn't get a first rounder for him
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rfc will stuff it up and settle for a 4th rounder because they're imbeciles.
Just check with histrory
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They won't trade him ;D
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I suggested a cheaper & better alternative was Jesse White at Sydney but I was laughed at.
I reckon Jesse White doesn't look as bad now.
What about now?
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rfc will stuff it up and settle for a 4th rounder because they're imbeciles.
Just check with histrory
Is he worth more than a 4th rounder?
I'd settle for a pack of juicy fruit.
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rfc will stuff it up and settle for a 4th rounder because they're imbeciles.
Just check with histrory
Is he worth more than a 4th rounder?
I'd settle for a pack of juicy fruit.
i meant 44th rounder
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VIDEO: Vickery's 4-goal haul.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-05/round-16-vickerys-fourgoal-haul
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Five talking points: Richmond v Brisbane Lions
Ben Guthrie
July 5, 2014 4:15 PM
1. Ty tears it up
Richmond had high hopes for big forward Ty Vickery before the season began. But fluctuating form and an ability to find himself in trouble with the Match Review Panel has seen those wishes unfulfilled. But the key Tiger's four-goal effort on Saturday went some way to making amends. Vickery was in the game from the outset, kicking the opening two goals of the match. He had three majors before half-time, before making the most of a fortuitous snap out of the pack in the third term to chalk up his equal career-high goal tally of four. If he can focus on the football, and forget about trying to be the enforcer out on the field, Vickery and Richmond will be in a much better place.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-05/five-talking-points-richmond-v-brisbane-lions
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Was very good today, his 6 weekly cameo
That sort of output should be the norm not the exception.
Wait with interest to see what he dishes up next week against a top side
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Currency high....
Sell! Sell! Sell!
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Throw him at St. Kilda or the Doggies and if they offer a second rounder or better take the money and run. They are desperate for forwards.
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may as well drop him for the rest of the yr now. hes had his other good game for the yr. amazing at just how gullible journos think supporters are.
one decent game doesnt fix a thing. you know what on the back of that game i think we should give him a contract extension. but wait a minute we have already done that hhhhhhaaaaarrrrggggghhhhhh.
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wont do jack next week, put ur house on it
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Hopefully increased his trade value today...until next week at least.
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Hardwick was pleased with his big forward, but said Vickery, whose four goals was an equal career best, still had a long way to go.
"He [Vickery] muffed a few chances. I thought he could be a little bit better at the ball. He probably went looking for the body of his opponent a bit too much, instead of jumping at the ball," he said. "I thought he was good, but I still think he can be a lot better. He's worked incredibly hard on the training track, which is pleasing from his point of view to get some reward for effort.”
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-win-two-on-the-trot-but-coach-hardwick-not-happy-20140705-zsxkv.html
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Good game but he gives away some stupid frees
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And he might not play next week anyway - MRP might have a close look at a jumper punch................... :whistle
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And he might not play next week anyway - MRP might have a close look at a jumper punch................... :whistle
Talking about jumper punches...little Taylor landed a beauty on Grimes :o
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And he might not play next week anyway - MRP might have a close look at a jumper punch................... :whistle
Talking about jumper punches...little Taylor landed a beauty on Grimes :o
Hahahahaha I saw that and had to look twice at the lions player
Beaten up by a little boy now
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Vickery is much better when he plays as a mobile ruck.. we should forget him as a fwd.. he plays his best footy and kicks more goals when he is involved in the game as a ruckman...
bring in mcbean as our second tall and Tv should share ruck duties with ivan
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And he might not play next week anyway - MRP might have a close look at a jumper punch................... :whistle
Talking about jumper punches...little Taylor landed a beauty on Grimes :o
Captian on Victoria. 2nd round pick.
Maybe we had him instead of Megan hampson
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And he might not play next week anyway - MRP might have a close look at a jumper punch................... :whistle
Talking about jumper punches...little Taylor landed a beauty on Grimes :o
Captian on Victoria. 2nd round pick.
Maybe we had him instead of Megan hampson
Except he went 4 picks before we would have had a pick.
Speaking of which, did George Hewett get a call-up for Sydney today. He's the pick we traded for Hammer which was on-traded for Everitt.
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And he might not play next week anyway - MRP might have a close look at a jumper punch................... :whistle
Will Adcock get the same punishment as Morris did when he got Arnott high? Dobt it
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And he might not play next week anyway - MRP might have a close look at a jumper punch................... :whistle
Talking about jumper punches...little Taylor landed a beauty on Grimes :o
Captian on Victoria. 2nd round pick.
Maybe we had him instead of Megan hampson
Except he went 4 picks before we would have had a pick.
Speaking of which, did George Hewett get a call-up for Sydney today. He's the pick we traded for Hammer which was on-traded for Everitt.
please dont mention this blokes name again. not if you dont want to see a grown man cry. ironic isnt it with our pick 32 sydney take the exact player i would have loved for us to take there.
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havent seen a lot of the game still just cant be bothered. but not one contested mark just one tackle and few 1%ers not what id want from my 200cm plus players.
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havent seen a lot of the game still just cant be bothered. but not one contested mark just one tackle and few 1%ers not what id want from my 200cm plus players.
How many tackles are 200cm plus player expected to lay? Or 1% for that manner?
Credit where credit is due Claw, four goals these days is a good return when your team usually only kick ten.
I know you don't rate him and that's fine, he's not one of my favorites either but unfortunately he is our second best tall forward ATM.
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Griffiths seems to get huge amounts of one % ers and tackles
for an afl player of 200cm. Only 22 yoa too
But we are delisting him
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and contested marks, when he can get behind the ball that is.
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Griffiths seems to get huge amounts of one % ers and tackles
for an afl player of 200cm. Only 22 yoa too
But we are delisting him
It's a shame he cannot get the footy though. Pretty important thing in footy. :thumbsup
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How often is it kicked to him...
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Tyrone is on the way to being a very good player.
Leave him alone.
All of you.
Leave him alone.
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It'd be more funny if he just didn't kick 5 goals or whatever it was
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How often is it kicked to him...
I wouldn't kick it to him either. You earn that right. If your team mates don't have confidence in you there is only one person to blame for that..
Hope he is someone else's problem next year and we have a kid that at least has a crack.
Built like Tarzan, plays like Jane unfortunately.
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Lol u earn that right
U gotta give jack two gobbies a week for someone to kick it to ubwhen you lead?
I suppose when you are THE BEST PLAYER IN THE AFL AT CONTESTED MARKING STATSTICALY u have not earned the right for a fair go
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Lol u earn that right
U gotta give jack two gobbies a week for someone to kick it to ubwhen you lead?
I suppose when you are THE BEST PLAYER IN THE AFL AT CONTESTED MARKING STATSTICALY u have not earned the right for a fair go
:lol
Thank you.
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Tyrone is on the way to being a very good player.
Leave him alone.
All of you.
Leave him alone.
Even if it's a little satirical, I agree with the essence of this post.
He might be the Levi Casboult of Richmond.
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a couple of questions to ponder.
If Vickery had been drafted to say a Hawthorn or Geelong, would he have played so many senior games from an early age?
If he had been able to develop his game at lower level, where he wasn't constantly been belted from pillar to post when his body wasn't matured, and without the expectations of being a key forward at AFL, would that have harmed or helped his development as a player?
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i think one thing very clear. vickery at richmond should not have got the games he got early on.without a doubt at geelong and hawthorn he would have been developed in the twos. those clubs had other options.
to me vickery has flaws as both a ruckman and a fwd. because of em i cant see him ever being a very good player in either role.
still who knows hes 200cm and sometimes not often mind but sometimes they just go click and find a way.
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Patience with Vickery is paying off, says Maric
Ben Guthrie
afl.com.au
July 6, 2014
TY VICKERY's equal career-high four goals against the Brisbane Lions on Saturday is likely to become a familiar sight for Tigers fans, according to teammate Ivan Maric.
Vickery returned with a vengeance in Richmond's 25-point win over the Lions at the MCG, responding in strong fashion to his omission from the senior team earlier this year.
Maric believes Vickery's development is right on track.
"He's just going to get better and better. Big guys take a bit of time and everyone needs to be patient," Maric told AFL.com.au.
"Tyrone is going to be a great ruckman/forward for this footy club."
With the Lions' key forward struggles exposed, Vickery's presence proved to be the difference at the other end of the ground.
The 200cm big man finished with 16 disposals, four marks and eight hit-outs to demonstrate his importance to the Tigers' structure.
As is typical with Vickery, his four goals came with some niggle and off the ball sparring with opponents.
Maric believes that aggression is an essential part of Vickery's game.
"You have to have that aggression as a big guy," Maric said.
"If you get into a little scuffle, so be it. Sometimes you have to pay the fine for the team to succeed.
"When he's playing aggressive, he plays well."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-06/tys-the-guy
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Na delist too old
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Nice of Ivan to pump up his tyres, hope the big fella instills some of his mongrel and attack on the footy in Ty before he retires
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Tyrone is an enigma. Has some talent that's clear and should be coming into his prime but does he want it enough?
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Vickery seemed like a different player on the weekend. He looked happy and motivated. What was the tonic? Is he taking some experimental drugs for mental health issues. Has he been informed Hardwick will be gone at season end? That large a shift in a persons demeanor, you have to think something is up.
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Better than Hampson in the rock and kicks goals. Hampson should never play a senior game again
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Better than Hampson in the rock and kicks goals. Hampson should never play a senior game again
Unless a national ladies league starts up in which case he should apply
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How often is it kicked to him...
Perfect example of why that is was when Griff was the only option for a player to kick to 50m away and instead of leading at the ball carrier with a paddock in front of him he leads away turning the 50m kick into an impossible 60m kick + the extra distance needed to get it over the top
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Yeah I seen mcgaune aedwards hampson orren do some stupid shyte in the forward line too
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How often is it kicked to him...
Perfect example of why that is was when Griff was the only option for a player to kick to 50m away and instead of leading at the ball carrier with a paddock in front of him he leads away turning the 50m kick into an impossible 60m kick + the extra distance needed to get it over the top
the players are too scared to mark one of griffs big kicks
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How often is it kicked to him...
Perfect example of why that is was when Griff was the only option for a player to kick to 50m away and instead of leading at the ball carrier with a paddock in front of him he leads away turning the 50m kick into an impossible 60m kick + the extra distance needed to get it over the top
the players are too scared to mark one of griffs big kicks
What
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Vickery seemed like a different player on the weekend. He looked happy and motivated. What was the tonic? Is he taking some experimental drugs for mental health issues. Has he been informed Hardwick will be gone at season end? That large a shift in a persons demeanor, you have to think something is up.
Playing Brisbane was probably the remedy.
We're playing Port this week. Hope he's interested :help
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How often is it kicked to him...
Perfect example of why that is was when Griff was the only option for a player to kick to 50m away and instead of leading at the ball carrier with a paddock in front of him he leads away turning the 50m kick into an impossible 60m kick + the extra distance needed to get it over the top
Think you're being harsh there as Ive seen Tyrone do this more than any other forward in the comp let alone our team, yet you call Griff out on it? I counted 9 times in rnd 1 first half where Ty played from behind and was calling for it over the top.
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How often is it kicked to him...
Perfect example of why that is was when Griff was the only option for a player to kick to 50m away and instead of leading at the ball carrier with a paddock in front of him he leads away turning the 50m kick into an impossible 60m kick + the extra distance needed to get it over the top
Think you're being harsh there as Ive seen Tyrone do this more than any other forward in the comp let alone our team, yet you call Griff out on it? I counted 9 times in rnd 1 first half where Ty played from behind and was calling for it over the top.
Unfortuantely all our tall forwards seem to want it over the top, but Griff's was just a different kettle of fish. I wish I could remember the exact timing and I'd bother searching for it but we just needed to control the ball coming out of D50 and he just made a difficult kick so much harder and it went right back in.
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Have seriously good mail that Geelong will be coming hard for 1 of 3 players to fill a ruck/Fwd role.
Daniel Goringe
Tyrone Vickery
Ben Griffiths
Wonder what Geelong would give up for one of our 2?
Goringe in their preferred option though.
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Oh no, it'll be like Ottens all over again....
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Worked at Kardinia Park during the week, as good a club as Geelong are, not a great idea to have visitors wait in the board room with 2014 Trade Week notes on the whiteboard.
They're going to go hard at Gorringe.
Also going to inquire about Liam Jones, Gary Rohan and Sam Blease.
Keen on Hayden Crozier also. but big astrerix and square around Gorringe. With an asterix around Vickery as well.
Has all analysis and data on the players what posistions they play most effectively and what opponents have beaten them. Also has data on VFL and NEAFL games as well. Bloody interesting.
What would Geelong have that would be equal to trade for Vickery or Griffiths?
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:lol
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What would Geelong have that would be equal to trade for Vickery or Griffiths?
Brad Ottens
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Harry Taylor on the edge of retirement looking for some huge $$$$$
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Kersten and a sexy pick plskthx.
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Worked at Kardinia Park during the week, as good a club as Geelong are, not a great idea to have visitors wait in the board room with 2014 Trade Week notes on the whiteboard.
Doubt they would have expected people who are visitors to read and post it on the Internet
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Have seriously good mail that Geelong will be coming hard for 1 of 3 players to fill a ruck/Fwd role.
Daniel Goringe
Tyrone Vickery
Ben Griffiths
Wonder what Geelong would give up for one of our 2?
Goringe in their preferred option though.
Would be happy with Mitch Duncan for Vickery. Get it done tiges.
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Fast one
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Worked at Kardinia Park during the week, as good a club as Geelong are, not a great idea to have visitors wait in the board room with 2014 Trade Week notes on the whiteboard.
They're going to go hard at Gorringe.
Also going to inquire about Liam Jones, Gary Rohan and Sam Blease.
Keen on Hayden Crozier also. but big astrerix and square around Gorringe. With an asterix around Vickery as well.
Has all analysis and data on the players what posistions they play most effectively and what opponents have beaten them. Also has data on VFL and NEAFL games as well. Bloody interesting.
What would Geelong have that would be equal to trade for Vickery or Griffiths?
Nice work. 8)
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red herring
n.
1. A smoked herring having a reddish color.
2. Something that draws attention away from the central issue.
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red herring
n.
1. A smoked herring having a reddish color.
2. Something that draws attention away from the central issue.
Gorringe a bit of a ranga too.
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Worked at Kardinia Park during the week, as good a club as Geelong are, not a great idea to have visitors wait in the board room with 2014 Trade Week notes on the whiteboard.
Fess up you were the pooter cleaner weren't you
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Worked at Kardinia Park during the week, as good a club as Geelong are, not a great idea to have visitors wait in the board room with 2014 Trade Week notes on the whiteboard.
They're going to go hard at Gorringe.
Also going to inquire about Liam Jones, Gary Rohan and Sam Blease.
Keen on Hayden Crozier also. but big astrerix and square around Gorringe. With an asterix around Vickery as well.
Has all analysis and data on the players what posistions they play most effectively and what opponents have beaten them. Also has data on VFL and NEAFL games as well. Bloody interesting.
What would Geelong have that would be equal to trade for Vickery or Griffiths?
they eat crispy creams down geelong way reckon a packet of those would just about do it
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Worked at Kardinia Park during the week, as good a club as Geelong are, not a great idea to have visitors wait in the board room with 2014 Trade Week notes on the whiteboard.
Have seriously good mail that Geelong will be coming hard for 1 of 3 players to fill a ruck/Fwd role.
Did you write the info down while you were there and then post it to yourself so you can come on here and write that you have mail?
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No doubt they will because they are a class act. Clubs will circle our players after the white schulz fiasco
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Several so called Richmond duds I believe will come good at decent clubs: your Vickery Griffith helbig types
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Several so called Richmond duds I believe will come good at decent clubs: your Vickery Griffith helbig types
Yep.
they will get a hold of the tape and hear our coach say we are not going to bring in any reserves players if they arent performing, then proceed to watch a tape of Thomas, Grigg, Hampson and Chaplin.
After watching this tape and audio they will go yep lets go after Griff, Arnot and anyone else who cant break into that mentally strong 22
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No doubt they will because they are a class act. Clubs will circle our players after the white schulz fiasco
and watch em get burned in the main. all clubs have let good players go we have in all likelyhood let less go than most clubs. if you dont pick good players to start with its damn hard to then say we let good players go.
fair dinkum if a club can turn vickery around good luck to em and id say well done. pea herats dont make it as ruckmen sometimes they can survive in the fwd line.
griffiths over 4 yrs would have to be one of the worst performed players to ever be recruited. and im not just talking performances at afl level. cant get a kick in the twos either.
people do realise this is yr 5 and yes i acknowledge hes suffered from injury but ffs what he dishes up is at his stage is unacceptable. 1st yr talls give more.
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Helbig is crap.
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No doubt they will because they are a class act. Clubs will circle our players after the white schulz fiasco
what was the fiasco with White?
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No doubt they will because they are a class act. Clubs will circle our players after the white schulz fiasco
what was the fiasco with White?
White left after we wouldn't offer him an extension and/or extra money because he didnt show enough wearing the sub vest all the time, unlike the rest of the team who perform admirably on a weekly basis
We then didn't replace our fastest player on our list, but instead recruited Thomas from the same place we let white walk to.
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so you're saying not offering White a three contract was a fiasco?
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so you're saying not offering White a three contract was a fiasco?
100% that's exactly what i am saying. Hampson, Knights all were offered 3 year deals and how are they travelling
Besides, your saying he wouldn't have accepted 2??
he loved the club from what others have said and I believe he would have.
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this is the same Mat White you said was a complete dud and shouldn't play a game in 2013?
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this is the same Mat White you said was a complete dud and shouldn't play a game in 2013?
Probably had a bad day, it happens. Club should have known better and yet another mistake to go with the many have made in the last 3 years
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has called for Ty Vickery to prove his consistency when the Tigers come up against Port Adelaide. Hardwick praised Vickery for his work rate, but believes the big man can still contribute more defensively.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/video/id-ozcHZybjr8S321up0qo8jxMVzptEqA19/Hardwick-calls-for-consistency-from-Richmonds-Vickery
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White is playing the same he played for Richmond in 2012 and 2013 but people refused to acknowledge he was a decent role player and called for his head every week but now he is at Port he is suddenly a superstar
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this is the same Mat White you said was a complete dud and shouldn't play a game in 2013?
Probably had a bad day, it happens. Club should have known better and yet another mistake to go with the many have made in the last 3 years
lol
whatever they did with white would have drawn criticism.
let him go and it was a fiasco letting go such an important player.
give him the three years and it would have been another case of rewarding mediocrity by keeping under performing duds.
the lengths some will go to to criticise.........
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We then didn't replace our fastest player on our list, but instead recruited Thomas who was delisted from the same place we let white walk to.
Edited for accuracy.
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We then didn't replace our fastest player on our list, but instead recruited Thomas who was delisted from the same place we let white walk to.
Edited for accuracy.
:thumbsup
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Wasn't Miles delisted too?
Seems to be traveling ok. :thumbsup
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people criticising the club over white goingare just plain wrong. if anything the opposite should be the case. they should be criticised for hanging onto such a poor performing player for so god damned long 8 freakin yrs of mediocrity and people are bemoaning the club let him go.
i for one think hes a very ordinary player. just like he was at richmond. yes hes making a contribution and performing a role for p/a good on him but hes nothing special. the way people are carrying on you would think we let ablett walk away for nothing when the truth is we offered white what he was worth he was lucky to be offered a contract at all.
geez people want us to turn under performing players over quicker than we do and when we do they moan about it. people do realise all clubs lose the odd good player here and there.
me id rather we go adapt a good process of turning more players over a lot quicker rather than sit on em for 6 7 8 or more yrs for little return.
im more than happy to stick the boots into the club when they get things wrong but matt white was a good processand it was the right process.
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in a team bereft of speed,he more than filled a role
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hes not a poor player - hes a very good role player like he was last season for us.
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Claw, we waited 7 years for him to do something and when we finally work out how to use him then let him go. Maybe a 3 yr deal is too ambitious but 2 yrs would've been ok and I'm sure he would've taken it up.
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Claw, we waited 7 years for him to do something and when we finally work out how to use him then let him go. Maybe a 3 yr deal is too ambitious but 2 yrs would've been ok and I'm sure he would've taken it up.
100%
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this club will never build a side from the ground up it never will happen because the coaches usually have no idea and the fans/ board etc don't have the patience to wait for that amount of time.
The only way the Tiggers will win a flag is if by some coincidence we get a motley group together that have the most special season ever added to the sprinkling of A and B graders we have, having out of the box seasons, no injuries to us, plenty to others added to coach/political issues and an opponent who won't culturally and psychologically affect us either. We get a Swans, Cats, Pies, Hawks or many others unmentioned we are fornicated.
Noone will follow our model as it is not structurally sound nor is it successful long term so the league will revert back to normality with one of the culturally successful clubs winning again the following year and us returning back t our strong foothold in the bottom half of the ladder.
Regrdless of who we keep or bring to the club it is not our time and logic says it will be one turn up for the history books if we do and our fall from grace will be as spectacular as our one year rise only less surprising.
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I'd still much rarer Vickery as our #2 ruckman over Hampson
Given age, potential etc.
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I'd still much rarer Vickery as our #2 ruckman over Hampson
Given age, potential etc.
I would prefer the Knob as of today
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Today and tommorows game are largely irreverent
Richmond should, be focused on the good of the team 15, 16, 17
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I'd still much rarer Vickery as our #2 ruckman over Hampson
Given age, potential etc.
I would prefer the Knob as of today
As in Trent Knobel
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Browne
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Browne
At least he had a dip
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Might be wrong on this but I get the feeling the past few weeks Tys efforts have been better,seems to be having a dip.
Well its Ty afterall and he might come out next week and play like a primadonna
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His best game for the season today IMHO. One area I reckon he has improved a fair bit in is his ruckwork.
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I actually commented to a friend at the game today that I thought he was putting in a bit of thought as to where he was going to tap the ball to .
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His soft hands in the marking contest frustrate the crap out of me though
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He has played pretty well last few weeks, wish to hell he started the season like it, we d be in the damned 8 :banghead
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he does indeed have soft hands
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Very good again, is excellent off the ball.
Definitely goes up a level when rucking and carries it into the forward line afterwards.
I'd have him in the centre early in the first term each week.
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Very good again, is excellent off the ball.
Definitely goes up a level when rucking and carries it into the forward line afterwards.
I'd have him in the centre early in the first term each week.
Totally agree. Some blokes just need to be involve in the game without having to think about it, and then the rest falls into place.
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The other thing I like is in the last 2 weeks not one opposition player has walked past him without being bumped etc...
Has a bit of mongrel.
Another pre-season or 2, some confidence and a hair cut and he will be a very serviceable player, bank on it.
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The other thing I like is in the last 2 weeks not one opposition player has walked past him without being bumped etc...
Has a bit of mongrel.
Another pre-season or 2, some confidence and a hair cut and he will be a very serviceable player, bank on it.
Got two weeks for slamming that dog Firritto before that.
His best game of the year today by the length of the Flemington Straight. :thumbsup
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Has Ty turned a corner? Only baby steps and I'm not game enough to give the cameo king any credit yet but the first time he has strung a few decent games together since 2011.
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We will know he has turned the corner when Claw comes out and praises him
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We will know he has turned the corner when Claw comes out and praises him
Cool I'll just wait :cheers
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Very good again, is excellent off the ball.
Definitely goes up a level when rucking and carries it into the forward line afterwards.
I'd have him in the centre early in the first term each week.
I too like Tyrone in the ruck
Forward line: Riewoldt Maric McBean
Llyod cotchin deledio Martin Lennon
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Him, Houli & Ellis must've slapped each other before the game like the old Wests Magpies Rugby League side used to.
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Was gifted an early goal but kicked an important one later. Also took a couple of nice grabs and brought the ball to ground on the wing which led to a Martin goal.
Looking better all in all. Needs to keep taking more marks though. Still gets out-positioned a bit much.
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maybe his watching Roughhead videos ;D
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We will know he has turned the corner when Claw comes out and praises him
cant comment on em if i dont watch em. its got to the point i cant even watch em when they win.
reckon im over the game itself as its played, reckon im over the the only thing that has kept me watching the game and thats the tiges.
on vickery did he take contestyed marks. did he crash packs, did he give second and third efforts did he have lots of 1%ers. did he chase harass and tackle with out ball in hand, finally did he stay involved throughout the game weather thats by getting the ball or just giving good contests and working hard. i ask these questions because i havent watched the game and its these things and a few more that i insist on with his type. did he produce enough for a bloke in yhr 6 and pushing toward 100 games or did he just do enough to say he was okay and not a disgrace.
i cant be bothered watching the game which i have recorded im over mediocrity like vickery and many of his mates.. but to finish port were without their best two kpds they were pretty undersized down back when it comes to their tall defenders, i have to ask what sort of impact would you expect from our key fwds in these circumstances.
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We will know he has turned the corner when Claw comes out and praises him
cant comment on em if i dont watch em. its got to the point i cant even watch em when they win.
reckon im over the game itself as its played, reckon im over the the only thing that has kept me watching the game and thats the tiges.
on vickery did he take contestyed marks. did he crash packs, did he give second and third efforts did he have lots of 1%ers. did he chase harass and tackle with out ball in hand, finally did he stay involved throughout the game weather thats by getting the ball or just giving good contests and working hard. i ask these questions because i havent watched the game and its these things and a few more that i insist on with his type. did he produce enough for a bloke in yhr 6 and pushing toward 100 games or did he just do enough to say he was okay and not a disgrace.
i cant be bothered watching the game which i have recorded im over mediocrity like vickery and many of his mates.. but to finish port were without their best two kpds they were pretty undersized down back when it comes to their tall defenders, i have to ask what sort of impact would you expect from our key fwds in these circumstances.
Would say he did minus the contested marks. Seemed to spend a bigger chunk in the ruck. Was a good game from him but he's teased us before :shh
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He took contested marks, and brought the ball to ground a bit too.
Earned himself one goal. Jack gifted him the easiest bloody goal of his life.
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Only a couple contested marks really but most telling was that one he clunked from in front of the pack at an important moment in the fourth quarter. Even better when he banged it through the sticks from about 45 out.
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He took contested marks, and brought the ball to ground a bit too.
Earned himself one goal. Jack gifted him the easiest bloody goal of his life.
Took one contested mark. As I said he did it all minus the marks which includes making a good contest. Looks like he's starting to show form but we'll see, I hope he does.
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Only a couple contested marks really but most telling was that one he clunked from in front of the pack at an important moment in the fourth quarter. Even better when he banged it through the sticks from about 45 out.
No one takes contested marks these day but
2014 AFL League Contested Marks Per Game Leaders (Minimum 4 Games Played)
Rank Player Team Games Contested Marks for Last Game Average
1 Jeremy McGovern West Coast 7 3 v Brisbane, Round 17 3.1
2 Tom Hawkins Geelong 16 5 v Melbourne, Round 17 2.1
2 Ben McEvoy Hawthorn 8 3 v Adelaide, Round 17 2.1
4 Jarrad Waite Carlton 10 1 v GWS, Round 14 2.1
5 Levi Casboult Carlton 13 3 v Sydney, Round 17 2.1
6 Thomas Lynch Gold Coast 16 1 v Western Bulldogs, Round 17 2.0
6 Jay Schulz Port Adelaide 16 2 v Richmond, Round 17 2.0
6 Max Gawn Melbourne 5 0 v Fremantle, Round 16 2.0
9 Aaron Sandilands Fremantle 16 0 v GWS, Round 17 1.9
10 Taylor Walker Adelaide 9 4 v Hawthorn, Round 17 1.9
11 James Podsiadly Adelaide 16 5 v Hawthorn, Round 17 1.9
12 Rhys Stanley St Kilda 13 4 v North Melbourne, Round 17 1.8
13 Jeremy Howe Melbourne 16 2 v Geelong, Round 17 1.8
14 Drew Petrie North Melbourne 16 3 v St Kilda, Round 17 1.8
14 Beau Maister St Kilda 4 0 v Adelaide, Round 4 1.8
16 Jake Carlisle Essendon 15 8 v Collingwood, Round 17 1.7
17 Benjamin Griffiths Richmond 10 1 v North Melbourne, Round 12 1.7
18 Lance Franklin Sydney 15 5 v Carlton, Round 17 1.7
18 Jonathon Patton GWS 15 1 v Adelaide, Round 16 1.7
18 Matthew Pavlich Fremantle 15 3 v GWS, Round 17 1.7
21 Jack Riewoldt Richmond 16 4 v Port Adelaide, Round 17 1.6
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I will give him some credit this week, can he make 3 games without me having a turn over some of his antics? :pray
Always said if this guy can stand up could be a real indicator for our results, unfortunately so far ba bow... hers hoping.
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Wish he snotted that member of the crowd
Eric style
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wish he could find the courage to stand up when he really needs to.
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despite having a subdued second half I thought he competed really well
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Wish he snotted that member of the crowd
Eric style
Thankfully Ty didn't as he'd be facing even more weeks out. A player in the SANFL was apparently suspended for physically responding to a spectator.
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wish he could find the courage to stand up when he really needs to.
Yep
That applies to most of the team though
Playing like superstars now. Usual Richmond way to finish the season well and hide the cracks that appear all over the place
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Wish he snotted that member of the crowd
Eric style
Thankfully Ty didn't as he'd be facing even more weeks out. A player in the SANFL was apparently suspended for physically responding to a spectator.
I thought the crowd security reaction was p-poor. The boofhead and his mate should have been shown the door as a deterrence to other self-styled vigilante heroes taking it upon themselves to assuage their hurt.
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when le cras bumped him it looked like a major flop to me. however hardwick labels him a hard and tough player..
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when le cras bumped him it looked like a major flop to me. however hardwick labels him a hard and tough player..
They clashed heads. Looked dazed. Or maybe that's just his face? Big blokes do often look stupid. ;D
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He went down like a freshly born Giraffe
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Think Ty was also trying to milk a free.
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when le cras bumped him it looked like a major flop to me. however hardwick labels him a hard and tough player..
He got pushed in th back at the same time. Ho is that not a free kick. sissy umpire scarred of th crowd.
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Seems to have bulked up, I still think Ty could be a very big part of this team and our success.
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Seems to have bulked up, I still think Ty could be a very big part of this team and our success.
Havnt seen him but agree about the latter
This should be the season where he has everything to prove, to himself and his team mates.
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Seems to have bulked ou, I still think Ty could be a very big part of this team and our success.
Me too WA.
Is still young in ruckmen years and has shown in parts that he can be very good. Just needs a bit of confidence and he will be very good for us.
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Yes, get on the Ty wagon folks!!
Hey OE, any chance of posting the training photo in here showing the guns, the big guns.. :lol :thumbsup
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Any gun photos??
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He went down like a freshly born Giraffe
You are a wordsmith Willie, that conjured some stunning images for me, most horrifically of a giraffe giving birth to a fully grown Vickery. Think the paint fumes are getting to me...
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We should have drafted the placenta instead.
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Needs to lose the smartarse attitude he has on field and
realise he's PAYED TO PLAY FOOTBALL to the best of his ability.
Only then will he go forward.
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We should have drafted the placenta instead.
ripper sig
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We should have drafted the placenta instead.
ripper sig
All yours Lucky Phil
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Focus on the thread and get the guns up.... ;D
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Yes, get on the Ty wagon folks!!
Hey OE, any chance of posting the training photo in here showing the guns, the big guns.. :lol :thumbsup
Here you go, WAT.
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Good on you OE. See, look at the big fella now, amazing what a few preseasons can do, when he came to the club he was a bean stalk, he is just as big as Nat now.
Lets hope he can put his size to good use. With the weight he has now and his size he will be very hard to match up on in the forward line. :thumbsup
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Good on you OE. See, look at the big fella now, amazing what a few preseasons can do, when he came to the club he was a bean stalk, he is just as big as Nat now.
Lets hope he can put his size to good use. With the weight he has now and his size he will be very hard to match up on in the forward line. :thumbsup
If that's the clubs expectation of size/muscle for our players then god help us.
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Good on you OE. See, look at the big fella now, amazing what a few preseasons can do, when he came to the club he was a bean stalk, he is just as big as Nat now.
Lets hope he can put his size to good use. With the weight he has now and his size he will be very hard to match up on in the forward line. :thumbsup
If that's the clubs expectation of size/muscle for our players then god help us.
He has the size for the position he plays, he doesn't have to be Mr Olympia.
Overall he has filled out nicely!
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:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Good on you OE. See, look at the big fella now, amazing what a few preseasons can do, when he came to the club he was a bean stalk, he is just as big as Nat now.
Lets hope he can put his size to good use. With the weight he has now and his size he will be very hard to match up on in the forward line. :thumbsup
If that's the clubs expectation of size/muscle for our players then god help us.
So Dooks you want this.....
(http://i61.tinypic.com/wu5t3n.jpg)
To become this???
(http://i59.tinypic.com/316uvj8.jpg)
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:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Good on you OE. See, look at the big fella now, amazing what a few preseasons can do, when he came to the club he was a bean stalk, he is just as big as Nat now.
Lets hope he can put his size to good use. With the weight he has now and his size he will be very hard to match up on in the forward line. :thumbsup
If that's the clubs expectation of size/muscle for our players then god help us.
So Dooks you want this.....
(http://i61.tinypic.com/wu5t3n.jpg)
To become this???
(http://i59.tinypic.com/316uvj8.jpg)
Good job editing his head on to my body :thumbsup
But what about Flossy? Credit to him for ripping into the pre season while being a badarse in Walking Dead at the same time.
(http://happynicetimepeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Screen-Shot-2014-02-24-at-1.11.33-PM.jpg)
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:lol :lol :lol
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:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Good on you OE. See, look at the big fella now, amazing what a few preseasons can do, when he came to the club he was a bean stalk, he is just as big as Nat now.
Lets hope he can put his size to good use. With the weight he has now and his size he will be very hard to match up on in the forward line. :thumbsup
If that's the clubs expectation of size/muscle for our players then god help us.
So Dooks you want this.....
To become this???
I spose when the width of your shoulders is narrower than your hips any increased bicep size makes makes you look like a beast ::)
Reiwoldt, Astbury, Rance, Elton etc etc all have Vickery covered size wise. Mcbean will pass him in the near future
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Dooks, you are kidding yourself. There is significant difference from when he came to the club, including chest.
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Hopefully he'll become a valuable player - going into next year's trade week.
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(http://i61.tinypic.com/wu5t3n.jpg)
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/11/15/1227124/155394-1bb9e998-6c47-11e4-a014-9935985a09d6.jpg)
I honestly don't see a whole lot of difference. Always had biggish looking arms due to his size with no definition, which is exactly the same now. :lol :lol At thinking he has a chest now
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:huh :huh :huh :huh
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:huh :huh :huh :huh
He might be a tiny bit bigger but even Vlaustin has more definition
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Maybe we should compare this photo to last pre season- he looks the same to me.
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stuffn love handles.
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Yes, get on the Ty wagon folks!!
Hey OE, any chance of posting the training photo in here showing the guns, the big guns.. :lol :thumbsup
Here you go, WAT.
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/11/15/1227124/155394-1bb9e998-6c47-11e4-a014-9935985a09d6.jpg)
Dooks, you are kidding yourself. There is significant difference from when he came to the club, including chest.
WAT you have no idea.
Round 2 2013:-
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/AFL+Rd+2+St+Kilda+v+Richmond+NrWKGi2GC-Dl.jpg)
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What's with the closed fist running style - he visualising Dean Cox?
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Yes, get on the Ty wagon folks!!
Hey OE, any chance of posting the training photo in here showing the guns, the big guns.. :lol :thumbsup
Here you go, WAT.
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/11/15/1227124/155394-1bb9e998-6c47-11e4-a014-9935985a09d6.jpg)
Dooks, you are kidding yourself. There is significant difference from when he came to the club, including chest.
WAT you have no idea.
Round 2 2013:-
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/AFL+Rd+2+St+Kilda+v+Richmond+NrWKGi2GC-Dl.jpg)
Dooks, no need to try an belittle. Yes he was big in 2013... Now be a good little plebby and go find some from this year. I reckon he was smaller last year and mows he has bulked up again. Btw don't get shots with the camera angle suggesting you are right....as you have done here... :thumbsup
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(https://i.imgflip.com/eawch.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/eawch)
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he came to us at 89kg
09 - 91kg. 2kg gain disappointing for a bloke who had to gain so much size.
10 - 95kg. 4kg gain a decent gain.
11 - 95kg. 0 gain wtf.
12 - 97kg. 2 kg gain not good enough is he even in the weights room.
13 - 98kg. 1kg gain again wtf is going on
14 - ????. who knows.
for a skinny ruckman to take 5 yrs to gain just 9kg is a pretty poor effort imo. the bonus is this yr he was very close to his optimum weight there was no excuses for a lack of size or weight.
100 - 105 kg is about where he should be.
my problem with him is well documented i dont see him as a top level kpf, and he doesnt project as a top level ruckman.it would be good if he was top level in one of the roles.
to me with what he gives he could play as the second ruck out of the fwd pocket.again i say we need to go out and find a top lebvel kpf and not a 200cm neither one or the other type.
if i will repeat IF we had a tall fwd setup like the following, useing current players in this yrs nd it would be great. its the sort of quality and structure we need to aspire to just to get on par with the better sides.
FF; XXXXX - Mccartin 194cm - Griffiths200cm/Vickery cm one as the ruck fwd.
HF; Lamb192cm - Riewoldt 195cm - XXXXX.
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McBean drafted end 2012 at 84kg
Listed weight season 2014 at 93kg
Now???
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McBean just needs to work on his core strength and tank, you don't want him bulking up too much....biggest asset is his agility and he'd likely lose some of it if he were to get too big.
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McBean just needs to work on his core strength and tank, you don't want him bulking up too much....biggest asset is his agility and he'd likely lose some of it if he were to get too big.
you guys have seen a hell of a lot more of mcbean than me and normally i would bow to those who have seen him play a bit.
but yes theres always a but. the way he plays atm imo wont translate to afl footy. without size strength and power he can have all the agility in the world but it wont help him much at the top level.
if he cant compete in the air and take contested marks he wont make it. just to compete in the roles envisioned for him he has to get to 100kg and not lose too much of his agility.
me im hoping hes a david hale type or even an upgrade on zac clarke its in that role imo he can make the grade. so i suppose i see him more as a ruckman long termthan a kpp. personally and ive said it a fair bit i think if hes to play kp he should be played in defence.
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McBean just needs to work on his core strength and tank, you don't want him bulking up too much....biggest asset is his agility and he'd likely lose some of it if he were to get too big.
you guys have seen a hell of a lot more of mcbean than me and normally i would bow to those who have seen him play a bit.
but yes theres always a but. the way he plays atm imo wont translate to afl footy. without size strength and power he can have all the agility in the world but it wont help him much at the top level.
if he cant compete in the air and take contested marks he wont make it. just to compete in the roles envisioned for him he has to get to 100kg and not lose too much of his agility.
me im hoping hes a david hale type or even an upgrade on zac clarke its in that role imo he can make the grade. so i suppose i see him more as a ruckman long termthan a kpp. personally and ive said it a fair bit i think if hes to play kp he should be played in defence.
As I said, he just needs to build his core strength & tank to become more competitive....100kg's is about right but not too much more ....he'll never be barrell chested, have bodybuilder arms or tree trunk legs but he doesn't need too.... his endurance and work ethic are his biggest issues atm, not his size or ability.
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clearly they must have thought they were going to trade him reason why he didn't have a tiger singlet on hahaha....
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McBean just needs to work on his core strength and tank, you don't want him bulking up too much....biggest asset is his agility and he'd likely lose some of it if he were to get too big.
you guys have seen a hell of a lot more of mcbean than me and normally i would bow to those who have seen him play a bit.
but yes theres always a but. the way he plays atm imo wont translate to afl footy. without size strength and power he can have all the agility in the world but it wont help him much at the top level.
if he cant compete in the air and take contested marks he wont make it. just to compete in the roles envisioned for him he has to get to 100kg and not lose too much of his agility.
me im hoping hes a david hale type or even an upgrade on zac clarke its in that role imo he can make the grade. so i suppose i see him more as a ruckman long termthan a kpp. personally and ive said it a fair bit i think if hes to play kp he should be played in defence.
The highest contested mark average for an afl player last year was....
Two p game
'I'm living in the 70s...
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clearly they must have thought they were going to trade him reason why he didn't have a tiger singlet on hahaha....
I know you're taking the mickey but is he not allowed to wear a singlet because his not a 1-4 year player and that'll be classed as coming to training too early?
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Yep, they won't issue him with gear until it is officially time to return and won't let him wear old gear for marketing purposes.
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Yep, they won't issue him with gear until it is officially time to return and won't let him wear old gear for marketing purposes.
:cheers Makes much more sense then just not letting him or because they were going to trade him :lol
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Yep, they won't issue him with gear until it is officially time to return and won't let him wear old gear for marketing purposes.
That rule apply to Cotch ?
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I wondered that myself.
The only thing I can think of is he had different leave dates because of his baby.
If you look at photos of other older guys like Chaplin they are in 'civvies' as well.
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clearly they must have thought they were going to trade him reason why he didn't have a tiger singlet on hahaha....
I reckon it's just symbolic of his unprofessional attitude toward his sporting career.
The idiot couldnt be stuffed wearing it.
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Another theory perhaps Cotchin fronted the media that day.
Bit rough to call him unprofessional when he is training during his holidays Ox.
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Another theory perhaps Cotchin fronted the media that day.
Bit rough to call him unprofessional when he is training during his holidays Ox.
The rest of the guys can manage to do it......
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why is he so SPECIAL?
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http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=2565.3840
Not true.
Astbury, Riewoldt, Chaplin all in different gear.
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Last chance Saloon for mine in 2015 (and I don't even know why I'm giving him another chance). He's probably contracted for another 2-3 years so what does it matter....2015s new Grigg
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Last chance Saloon for mine in 2015 (and I don't even know why I'm giving him another chance)
Because we have no option.
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Last chance Saloon for mine in 2015
200cm, 24 years old, 87 games, 101 goals.
Last chance saloon? Just entering the period where he will take off.
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Last chance Saloon for mine in 2015
200cm, 24 years old, 87 games, 101 goals.
Last chance saloon? Just entering the period where he will take off.
So, Dooks is right.
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#2 ruckman on the list ..
Young for a ruck
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#2 ruckman on the list ..
Young for a ruck
Griffs tap work is arguably better. #3 ruck on the list.
Last chance Saloon for mine in 2015 (and I don't even know why I'm giving him another chance)
Because we have no option.
The guy just chits me off. Gets around like some precious piece of work...
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Last chance Saloon for mine in 2015
200cm, 24 years old, 87 games, 101 goals.
How many of those would be his signature 'cheap handball receives over the outnumbered last defender'? 30? 40?
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Hope he proves me and other doubters wrong. I reckon most people would agree he has the talent to be a very good player, but does he have the desire to make it. Apart from 1 good season a few years back he's hardly taken games by the scruff of the neck, at best a peripheral player who gets his fair share of cheapies over the top. Want to see him demand the ball, get front position and take some towering marks to inspire the side, worry opposition defenders and subsequently give jack a bit of a chop out. I'll back him bc he's a tiger and its a new season, new hope, just entering his prime theoretically, but not holding my breath
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He is a baby in 200cm terms.
Look at Cox, Sandilands, Maric, even Charlie Dixon and none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age.
Vickery's base is very promising.
Cutting him now would be as smart as cutting a drafted midfielder after one season.
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He is a baby in 200cm terms.
Look at Cox, Sandilands, Maric, even Charlie Dixon and none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age.
Vickery's base is very promising.
Cutting him now would be as smart as cutting a drafted midfielder after one season.
Yep
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I like that he clonked Cox. Other players will treat him with more respect especially if he ends up a bullocking ruckman and his size and weight are heading him there.
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Ideally Griff would be left at chf
Not wasted in ruck
Last chance Saloon for mine in 2015
200cm, 24 years old, 87 games, 101 goals.
How many of those would be his signature 'cheap handball receives over the outnumbered last defender'? 30? 40?
Its worth the same as a flamboyant goal
A goal from 1 Meter is six points as is one from 70
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I like that he clonked Cox. Other players will treat him with more respect especially if he ends up a bullocking ruckman and his size and weight are heading him there.
Not after the way he reacted emotionally - he felt so bad he couldn't get another touch thereafter.
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He was sad about the sand gropers booing him and the mokey fan having a go at him over th bench
Not mentality strong enough
Leading teams will fix it :whistle
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I like that he clonked Cox. Other players will treat him with more respect especially if he ends up a bullocking ruckman and his size and weight are heading him there.
Not after the way he reacted emotionally - he felt so bad he couldn't get another touch thereafter.
This. That and the apology took away from it. Had he not done that we could be sitting here saying he is a bit of a poo truck but at least he has some go.
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Hope he proves me and other doubters wrong. I reckon most people would agree he has the talent to be a very good player, but does he have the desire to make it. Apart from 1 good season a few years back he's hardly taken games by the scruff of the neck, at best a peripheral player who gets his fair share of cheapies over the top. Want to see him demand the ball, get front position and take some towering marks to inspire the side, worry opposition defenders and subsequently give jack a bit of a chop out. I'll back him bc he's a tiger and its a new season, new hope, just entering his prime theoretically, but not holding my breath
Good summation TM
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He is a baby in 200cm terms.
Look at Cox, Sandilands, Maric, even Charlie Dixon and none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age.
Vickery's base is very promising.
Cutting him now would be as smart as cutting a drafted midfielder after one season.
thats just plain old ignorance at its best. if not ignorance a total and deliberate misinterpretation of exactly what those blokes did int their early yrs. dixon aside the other three were miles ahead of where vickery is at the same stage. its a chasm in fact.
performance wise hes way behind most ruckmen at the same age. ffs in 05 cox was an integral part of wce g/f side. he arrived the yr before that. sandilands has his knockers and rightly so but he was a dominant force as a ruckman after just a few seasons.
ivan was a very competitive and servicable ruckman at the crows after just 4 seasons. im not sure why the crows let him go. but as a ruckman ivans early yrs are miles in front of the big girls blouse.
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I don't get it craw, if Sandilands rightly has knockers, shouldn't he be wearing a big girls blouse?
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ahh bs, he should smash the next prick who tries it on with him as well. Then they will know for sure he really will not put up with bs just like staff and snake. They will be watching him as much as the ball. It is an old ruckmans trick, bloke I played with in the navy, first thing he did against the army ruckman was punched him in the head. For the rest of the game, the army bloke was watching him instead of the ball so he won ever tap lol.
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Sandilands
2003. Hithouts. 18
O4. 23
O5 23
O6 24
O7 26
O8 29
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2012. 38
2014. 39
Carree goals p game. 0.4
Cox
01 hit outs. 10
2. 16
3. 17
4. 22
5. 23
169 goals / 290 games (career goals p game 0.5)
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I don't get it craw, if Sandilands rightly has knockers, shouldn't he be wearing a big girls blouse?
the obvious knocks on sandilands have been marking around the ground he just hant taken many for most of his career and he has never really thrown his body around consistently..yes people have rightly knocked him for parts of his game. what cant be disputed for most of his career he has dominated the ruck role that included his early yrs.
mate maric sandi and cox looked like ruckmen were groomed in the role and have never ever had questions marks about what role they will do and what theyu will become.
we have had 6 yrs of vickery and we are still arguing what role he can perform ruck or fwd imo hes been very ordinary indeed at both roles and im still not sure if hes even good enough to make it at either.
apart from 1 yr his third i think where he managed to kick goals 35? in a similar vein to how he gets em now mind this bloke has disappointed in every area. stuff the potential tag his performances says hes ordinary and its time people startedrating him on them.entering yr 7 and turning 25 1 month into the season there can be no more excuses for this bloke.
my biggest fear right thruout has been hes not going to be a good kpf to hold down a kp for us and hes not going to be a good enough ruckman to take over from maric when he goes. to date those fears have been proved absolutely correct.
this is why i push so hard for more genuine and traditionally sized tall fwds on our list. griffiths looks the same.and mcbean while 200cm looks nothing like a power fwd and is not being developed as a ruckman or anywhere else.
i wont be sorry if we traded vickery out with 3 blokes at 200cm vieing for the same job we can and should look to off load one of them. vickery for me anyway no longer lives on potential he must deliver and significantly improve.
like every other tiger supporter i would really like this bloke to succeed and become a decent consistent player, while his performances are so poor and while his best role remains undecided i will voice my criticisms of him.
i think criticism of him is justified.
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Maric
2006. 9 hit out p game
2007. 8
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12 31
13 23
14 25
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sandiland in his first 5 yrs didnt have less then 350 h/oand by yr 5 had over 600
cox did look all gangly and unco in his first yr but by his 4th season he had become one of the lynch pins, in 05 06 he was critical to wce premiership tilts
maric while not as influential slowly built and by his 4th season had become a decent ruckman always competetive and always hard at it. way in front of girls blouse. who by the way has ave about 8h/o a game every single yr.
vickery in yr 6 i wont bring up what hes done as a ruckman or the stats quite frankly they are embarrasing and to try and compare vickery to the others even at the same stage is just plain nonsense no stupidity.
the simple truth is and the club by its actions in going out and getting hamspud agreed that vickery was not the answer as a ruckman.
so the logical thing to do is compare him against kpfs because he hasnt improved one iota as a ruckman. but when you lack heart that is bound to happen in that role.
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vickery in yr 5 i wont bring up what hes done as a ruckman or the stats quite frankly they are embarrasing and to try and compare vickery to the others even at the same stage is just plain nonsense no stupidity.
Vickery hasn't just played as a ruckman though so what is the point of comparing his stats to anyone who has? That's where it gets stupid.
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sandiland in his first 5 yrs didnt have less then 350 h/oand by yr 5 had over 600
assuming 600 is good footy and 300 is not
would the sentence "none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age." not ring true?
seeing as sandi got 300+ hitouts at 23ish years of age. and 600 hit outs at 30ish years of age. i dont believe the vibe of the statement is incorrect
compare vickery to the others even at the same stage is just plain nonsense no stupidity.
maric goals p game 0.4
cox 0.5
sandi 0.4
vickery 1.2
three times more goals p game
*overall career
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maric goals p game 0.4
cox 0.5
sandi 0.4
vickery 1.2
three times more goals p game
Exactly Judge Judy. :thumbsup
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you clowns comparing #1 Ruckmen to Vickery :rollin ;D
his struggling to cement a place as a KPF let alone the bench or red vest. so please stop
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It's not about the position the comparison is on the height.
200cm plus players take until 24-26 to 'ripen'.
Claw you are arguing the same thing I am, Cox came into his best in about 05 when he was reaching that age bracket.
Sandilands went from being a solid player to a very good player at that stage.
I'm not comparing Vickery's potential to them but every indicator would say he is about to dramatically lift his impact on games and based on the base he has so far that puts him in line to be a very reasonable player.
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It's not about the position the comparison is on the height.
200cm plus players take until 24-26 to 'ripen'.
Claw you are arguing the same thing I am, Cox came into his best in about 05 when he was reaching that age bracket.
Sandilands went from being a solid player to a very good player at that stage.
I'm not comparing Vickery's potential to them but every indicator would say he is about to dramatically lift his impact on games and based on the base he has so far that puts him in line to be a very reasonable player.
nope the comment you made or implied was vickery is just as good as those players you mentioned at the same stage and the simple fact is hes miles behind them. ffs you compared him to those ruckmen and he just doesnt stack up to em.
i will say again even the club has recognised that vickery will not become a #1 ruckman hence they went and got hampson.
now we all know statistically hes been lousy in that role and he plays soft there.
so as i suggested lets compare him to kpfs at the same sort of stages of their careers. my money is on hes is way behind most at the same stage in this role as well.
all im saying is as a ruckman he doesnt stack up and has been very ordinary. as a kpf he been slightly better but still ordinary. in both roles he is not tracking well ffs 6 yrs in but geez he can be poor because hes got potential. just when do you blokes say hey enough of the potential b/s its tiome to put up or shut up.any way if i had a good look i reckon he would be behind most kpfs at the same stage as well.
at various stages with him we have pinned our hopes on him being a ruckman despite him being consistenly ordinary in the role, and when that hasnt worked we pin our hopes on him being a kpf despite him being ordinary in that role as well. we dont need another ordinary ruckman and we definately dont need an ordinary kpf. we desperately need another top level kpf to partner riewoldt.
we efinately need another top level ruckman to help and then take over from maric. vickery is neither,
i will say again we need kpfs and tall fwds because the actual fact is both griffiths and vickery have been very ordinary. ffs we now have mcbean as well and he shows the same sort of traits as vickery. people raving about pace and agility but totally forgetting what 200cm players who are to be kpps or ruckmen are all about.
i dont understand you people you bitch about the fwd line and then defend the culprits you lot need to decide what side of the fence your on because quite frankly you want your cake and eat it at the same time.
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sandiland in his first 5 yrs didnt have less then 350 h/oand by yr 5 had over 600
assuming 600 is good footy and 300 is not
would the sentence "none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age." not ring true?
seeing as sandi got 300+ hitouts at 23ish years of age. and 600 hit outs at 30ish years of age. i dont believe the vibe of the statement is incorrect
compare vickery to the others even at the same stage is just plain nonsense no stupidity.
maric goals p game 0.4
cox 0.5
sandi 0.4
vickery 1.2
three times more goals p game
*overall career
im not going to comment on this because i know your not really that stupid.
are you really saying vickery is a good ruckman and he has performed better than cox sandilands and maric as a ruckman at each stage of their careers. not even you are that silly.
i tell you what vi will just post random stats that without context can be made to mean anything.
we are talking about vickery as a ruckman here arent we. nearly 25 nearly 100games entering yr 7 and in the role hes been worse than hamspud. you know that bloke you want to delist.
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vickery in yr 5 i wont bring up what hes done as a ruckman or the stats quite frankly they are embarrasing and to try and compare vickery to the others even at the same stage is just plain nonsense no stupidity.
Vickery hasn't just played as a ruckman though so what is the point of comparing his stats to anyone who has? That's where it gets stupid.
hjey hey hey if you read the thread i wasnt the one who compared him to ruckmen i was just setting people straight.
ruckman or kpf either way in the main hes been ordinary.
gunna keep on saying it. very very few 200cm players become permanent good consistent kpfs. last time i looked we are searching for exactly that to partner riewoldt. in fact i can think of only one tippett and i dont really rate him think theres been a lot of hype about the bloke.
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Enough excuses for me.
Either this guy impresses me this season or we look to trade him and invest more in the likes of Griffiths/McBean/Elton.
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nope the comment you made or implied was vickery is just as good as those players you mentioned at the same stage and the simple fact is hes miles behind them. ffs you compared him to those ruckmen and he just doesnt stack up to em.
No I didn't.
I said the 200cm plus guys played their best footy from 24-26.
I said Vickery's base so far is enough to indicate he will be a solid player.
Not comparing him to them at all, apart from the timeframe to start playing his best footy.
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sandiland in his first 5 yrs didnt have less then 350 h/oand by yr 5 had over 600
assuming 600 is good footy and 300 is not
would the sentence "none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age." not ring true?
seeing as sandi got 300+ hitouts at 23ish years of age. and 600 hit outs at 30ish years of age. i dont believe the vibe of the statement is incorrect
compare vickery to the others even at the same stage is just plain nonsense no stupidity.
maric goals p game 0.4
cox 0.5
sandi 0.4
vickery 1.2
three times more goals p game
*overall career
im not going to comment on this because i know your not really that stupid.
are you really saying vickery is a good ruckman and he has performed better than cox sandilands and maric as a ruckman at each stage of their careers. not even you are that silly.
i tell you what vi will just post random stats that without context can be made to mean anything.
we are talking about vickery as a ruckman here arent we. nearly 25 nearly 100games entering yr 7 and in the role hes been worse than hamspud. you know that bloke you want to delist.
I have said it before Claw, all you do is look at stats. No feel for the game.
You want to compare the best two ruckman of the last 5 to 10 years with a guy who plays part time in the ruck at present. Even choosing just tap outs of a bloke that is the biggest this game has seen is stupid. All some are saying is he is entering an age where someone of his size can now compete with others of the same height and weight.
I'm backing him in because I can see more than just stats, he has a long way to good to be as good as a Cox or Sandilands but if you are only going to compare tap outs then he will always be behind them two but when you combine what he does in the ruck as well as what he does up forward he IMO will be pretty good.
Anyway keep your head buried in the stats sheet if that makes you happy.
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He is a baby in 200cm terms.
Look at Cox, Sandilands, Maric, even Charlie Dixon and none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age.
Vickery's base is very promising.
Cutting him now would be as smart as cutting a drafted midfielder after one season.
this is the quote i replied to.
as people can see im not the one who bought ruckmen into it. all i have done is point out that vickery after 6 yrs is well behind those guys. in fact hes well behind most other ruckmen at the same stages of their careers. hardly promising.
sandiland in his first 5 yrs didnt have less then 350 h/oand by yr 5 had over 600
assuming 600 is good footy and 300 is not
would the sentence "none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age." not ring true?
seeing as sandi got 300+ hitouts at 23ish years of age. and 600 hit outs at 30ish years of age. i dont believe the vibe of the statement is incorrect
compare vickery to the others even at the same stage is just plain nonsense no stupidity.
maric goals p game 0.4
cox 0.5
sandi 0.4
vickery 1.2
three times more goals p game
*overall career
im not going to comment on this because i know your not really that stupid.
are you really saying vickery is a good ruckman and he has performed better than cox sandilands and maric as a ruckman at each stage of their careers. not even you are that silly.
i tell you what vi will just post random stats that without context can be made to mean anything.
we are talking about vickery as a ruckman here arent we. nearly 25 nearly 100games entering yr 7 and in the role hes been worse than hamspud. you know that bloke you want to delist.
I have said it before Claw, all you do is look at stats. No feel for the game.
You want to compare the best two ruckman of the last 5 to 10 years with a guy who plays part time in the ruck at present. Even choosing just tap outs of a bloke that is the biggest this game has seen is stupid. All some are saying is he is entering an age where someone of his size can now compete with others of the same height and weight.
I'm backing him in because I can see more than just stats, he has a long way to good to be as good as a Cox or Sandilands but if you are only going to compare tap outs then he will always be behind them two but when you combine what he does in the ruck as well as what he does up forward he IMO will be pretty good.
Anyway keep your head buried in the stats sheet if that makes you happy.
pppffftt what nonsense. you think i havent watched vickery play unbelievable. what is happeneing here is the stats very much backing up exactly what i have said AND SEE.
you need to actually watch em play with out blinkers on. you need to stop rating them on potential and actually rate em on what they do.while your trying to get better at it go compare him to others while your at it.
my eyes say hes been poo the stats back em up.but hey we cant have that can we. when the stats dont suit suddenly its you need to watch em play its hilarious.
hes been ordinary to date in both roles hes performed. that is kpf and ruckman. theres no debating it because its a fact.and the stats back that up.
hes shown very little continuous improvement as hes gone and has a heart the size of a pea. after 6 yrs hes been a failure.
but hey you keep on defending em tone after all you watch em real close dont ya, not that it does you any good if you think hes been good to date.
imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
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imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
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sandiland in his first 5 yrs didnt have less then 350 h/oand by yr 5 had over 600
assuming 600 is good footy and 300 is not
would the sentence "none of those types start to play good footy until 24-26 years of age." not ring true?
seeing as sandi got 300+ hitouts at 23ish years of age. and 600 hit outs at 30ish years of age. i dont believe the vibe of the statement is incorrect
compare vickery to the others even at the same stage is just plain nonsense no stupidity.
maric goals p game 0.4
cox 0.5
sandi 0.4
vickery 1.2
three times more goals p game
*overall career
im not going to comment on this because i know your not really that stupid.
are you really saying vickery is a good ruckman
no i said
1.
as much as he gets bagged gets still good for a goal, even 'soft' goals
2.
he could be a serviceable ruckman one day IMO. coincidental about the same time maric winds down. was better than orren and got hampson covered imo. dont think he'd the worst ruck in the league between maric and hopefully a new a draft ruck draft in the luengburger or natinui mold ideally.
and he has performed better than cox sandilands and maric as a ruckman at each stage of their careers.
again, no.
not even you are that silly.
praise from Caesar :bow
i tell you what vi will just post random stats that without context can be made to mean anything.
ok
we are talking about vickery as a ruckman here arent we.
yes
. nearly 25 nearly 100games entering yr 7 and in the role hes been worse than hamspud
debatable
from limited opportunities my eyes tell me he is of more use around the ground due to skill and agility
you know that bloke you want to delist.
i wouldnt delist him unless we had another ruck option as you need a handful over the course of the season given worst case scenario
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pppffftt what nonsense. you think i havent watched vickery play unbelievable. what is happeneing here is the stats very much backing up exactly what i have said AND SEE.
Cox, Maric, Sanilands are primarly ruckman
Vickery is has been not played in the ruck too often over time as compared to forward line
hence including something like goals could even it up
i dont think anyone is saying vickery will be a ruckman in the elite category, for the record. i will re-read and cheak for us
you need to actually watch em play with out blinkers on. you need to stop rating them on potential and actually rate em on what they do.while your trying to get better at it go compare him to others while your at it.
my eyes say hes been poo the stats back em up.but hey we cant have that can we. when the stats dont suit suddenly its you need to watch em play its hilarious.
perhaps go on a search for 'hitouts per minuet in the ruck' for a more accurate picture
i would assume vickery would not been going too good in a comparison, yet itd be a fairer use of stats than your current method
hes been ordinary to date in both roles hes performed. that is kpf and ruckman. theres no debating it because its a fact.and the stats back that up.
hes shown very little continuous improvement as hes gone and has a heart the size of a pea. after 6 yrs hes been a failure.
but hey you keep on defending em tone after all you watch em real close dont ya, not that it does you any good if you think hes been good to date.
imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
same draft as vickery
tyone - 101 goals, 664 hitouts
watts - 73 goals, 33 hitouts
nic nat 71, shyte loads of hitouts
hurley 103,
lynch 51
roughead 12, 274
l anothny 27, 6
cornelius - 35 , 5 hitouts
we agree he is not tony lockett but is "hes been ordinary to date in both roles hes performed. that is kpf " really a fair comment when comparison to his draft pool? not too many young-ish talls running around outside the ' ordinary ' range is there?
imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
i disagree i reckon he'll be pretty handy down the track :shh
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Will be traded next year.
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imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
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imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
In his 6 years he has played in the ruck probably about 30% of the time. Why would you judge his whole career on just his ruck work? He has kicked 100 goals.
Take the glasses off mate, he is no star but he has done ok to date with his best footy in front of him just going by what players of his size and age have done.
Compare him to Griffith's 5 years on our list as a forward/ruck. Don't think he has even been in the best players after a senior game.
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imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
In his 6 years he has played in the ruck probably about 30% of the time. Why would you judge his whole career on just his ruck work? He has kicked 100 goals.
Take the glasses off mate, he is no star but he has done ok to date with his best footy in front of him just going by what players of his size and age have done.
Compare him to Griffith's 5 years on our list as a forward/ruck. Don't think he has even been in the best players after a senior game.
once again i will say i wasnt the one who compared him to ruckmen. i just showed quite effectively that it was a nonsense comparison.
cmon logic says we went and got hamspson because vickery just didnt come on as a ruckman.
what im actually saying here to people is its a nonsense to try and place vickery in #1 ruck company hes been terrible in the role when hes played there and the stats back it up. blokes who are scared dont make it in the ruck.
so imo hes not a top level ruckman and thats what ive argued because others keep comparing him to ruckmen, with hampson so ordinary as a player the need remains for us to find a top level ruckman to take over from maric.
if you want to talk about him as a tall fwd im happy to do that as well. ive regularly posted my criticisms of him as a fwd and i think him ordinary or just ok most of the time.the one saving grace, and is probably the only thing that keeps him getting a game, is like you say he manages to kick a few goals mostly cheapies mind. but he hits the scoreboard.
but even then as a kpf he needs to kick more.
i dont need stats to tell me he doesnt take many c/m an ideal trait for a tall fwd. he hasnt in the past crashed packs and given good aerial contests.at 200cm he should be the one we bomb it to when we need to.
he tackles rarely in fact is lazy without the ball and doesnt even chase half the time.
doesnt block or even spoil so few 1% another trait id expect in my tallsand rucks at least.the simple truth is he just disappears in games.
hes not finding a lot of ball despite often being freed up on ball. and to finish when on ball he contributes little.
constant criticisms of his game and until they improve i will continue to complain about them.
for 6 yrs the same sort of criticisms no change so what makes people think they magically change in yr 7.
all i ask of the club is they go out and draft a decent junior kpf in the draft just in case vickery doesnt take that magical leap you think he will.so we arent left at the start line again still looking for a top level kpf to partner riewoldt.
imo we should be looking at kpfs and not another 200cm come ruck cum fwd if we are lucky just okay at both roles.
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no we went out and got hampson because riewoldt and vickery had just kicked a shed-load of goals between the two of them and vickery was marked as a key forward
the argument which you do not comprehend (purposly one must assume) is not that vickery has been good as a number one ruck, but in the future, he may be serviceable in that role. as a understudy to maric and/or foil for a a grade draftie ruck prospect
given the rule changes the world is not as black as white as key forward or ruck. most people of that height and even small, are required to do both. david hale, ottens, etc.
if he is scared hes done a good job to get to 100 goals @ 23 year of age with such anxiety
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I know you rate:
Billy Longer
Trent West
Tom Hickey
Cameron Wood
Tom Nicholls
Ben McEvoy
Tom Derickx
Jonathon Ceglar
Jarrod Witts
Brodie Grundy
Max Gawn
Scott Lycett
very, very highly.
yet i feel as if on his day tyrone could at least break even and do some damage around the ground
imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
Sandi = 32 year of age
Minson = 30
Mummy = 29
mike pyke = 31
hale = 30
mcintosh = 30
tyronr vickery 24
are they still going to be playing in 2, 3 years when Vickery has developed? if so, will they be in decline?
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I thought last year on a few occasions Ty and the team started games poorly when he was forward, then he went into the ruck and got involved in the game, went back forward and kicked goals and the team lifted.
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here i was thinking the same
almost as if his agility and skill were useful in the guts of the field
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I know you rate:
Billy Longer
Trent West
Tom Hickey
Cameron Wood
Tom Nicholls
Ben McEvoy
Tom Derickx
Jonathon Ceglar
Jarrod Witts
Brodie Grundy
Max Gawn
Scott Lycett
very, very highly.
yet i feel as if on his day tyrone could at least break even and do some damage around the ground
imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
Sandi = 32 year of age
Minson = 30
Mummy = 29
mike pyke = 31
hale = 30
mcintosh = 30
tyronr vickery 24
are they still going to be playing in 2, 3 years when Vickery has developed? if so, will they be in decline?
dont put words in my mouth and donr t be devious.
the comparisons heve been done at the same stages as a ruckman and the truth is hes way behind every player you mentioned in that role.
a player you despise in hampson absuletly towells him up in the role and hes criticised by everyone for 7 yrs of poo. yet you praise vickery in the role.
mate he wont make it as a ruckman that is the point. to date on his his day hes been largely lousy. he doesnt have many good days.
cmon you can do better than that in defending the bum.
hmm to finish i ask you will vickery be playing in two or three yrs time :whistle
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I thought last year on a few occasions Ty and the team started games poorly when he was forward, then he went into the ruck and got involved in the game, went back forward and kicked goals and the team lifted.
and here i was thinking he had the crap bagged out of him by many on here lots of times this yr for so many nothing games.
1st yr players look good at times so do hacks. does that mean they are good afl players.
nope it means they have some sort of potential but vickers had 6 yrs 100 games is 25 and we are still talking about glimpses of potential.
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Will be traded next year.
I fear to think what we could of got for him this year. Given the climate
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I know you rate:
Billy Longer
Trent West
Tom Hickey
Cameron Wood
Tom Nicholls
Ben McEvoy
Tom Derickx
Jonathon Ceglar
Jarrod Witts
Brodie Grundy
Max Gawn
Scott Lycett
very, very highly.
yet i feel as if on his day tyrone could at least break even and do some damage around the ground
imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
Sandi = 32 year of age
Minson = 30
Mummy = 29
mike pyke = 31
hale = 30
mcintosh = 30
tyronr vickery 24
are they still going to be playing in 2, 3 years when Vickery has developed? if so, will they be in decline?
dont put words in my mouth and donr t be devious.
the comparisons heve been done at the same stages as a ruckman and the truth is hes way behind every player you mentioned in that role.
a player you despise in hampson absuletly towells him up in the role and hes criticised by everyone for 7 yrs of pooe. yet you praise vickery in the role.
mate he wont make it as a ruckman that is the point. to date on his his day hes been largely lousy. he doesnt have many good days.
cmon you can do better than that in defending the bum.
hmm to finish i ask you will vickery be playing in two or three yrs time :whistle
All I have done is ask is ask the simple and fair question:
If a few years when Vickery has developed further, will the current bench mark ruckman who are seemingly all around the 30+ mark, still a) be in the game, and if so b) still be playing at current level?
Given the conversation wouldn't you agree this is a valid statement? Perhaps you are struggling with this point cause you focus on saying he's not got as many hithoutas cox or sandy after equal amount of seasons. While others are saying he might be decent in the future
It is your opinion Hampson completes has him covered. My belief is why Hampson is a good tap ruckman, Vickery is a far more effective option around the ground given his superior skills set and running game.
H won't make it as a ruckman is nothing more than a claw point of view.
You may be right he has been average, and yet the fact remain he has showed a lot more than many of his draft pool year. Do you agree he's kicked 100 goals?
I say in 2-3 years he will be going ok here.
or doing very well elsewhere with a Schultz-like up curve.
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I say in 2-3 years he will be going ok here.
or doing very well elsewhere with a Schultz-like up curve.
Nutshell.
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Why is it the competition/clubs gives taller players longer to develop ?
What a crock of poo.
It just perpetuates the petulance these big babies exude.
FO!
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Amen
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I assume @ 17/18
If you are 170cm you'd be less unco than if 200cm
Big and dumb like fast bowlers
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bingo
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Ox is right to raise this. Do they take longer because they are given longer and are given extra tolerance to poot performances?? What is the sports science research to suggest taller players take longer to develop as an effective player compared to a smaller player?
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From a sports science point of view there is generally a lot of physical development needed to compete at an elite level.
Not only do they have the challenge every draftee has in terms of developing aerobic capacity but in most case they also need to gain significant amounts of weight as muscle.
There is a limit as to how quickly you can put on size and gain muscle and it is compromised by the amount of aerobic work they do which is burning huge amounts of energy.
For a midfielder drafted their body size is generally pretty ok, they only need a handful of kilos and a change in body definition and muscle/fat ratios.
For a big player they often have 10-20 kilos needed and if they do have the size it is generally the wrong sort of size.
It doesn't sound like a lot to the average person but a gain like that takes significant time to do well at the best of times, let alone when you are in full training aerobically as well.
A weightlifter gaining muscle wouldn't ever have a running program in their training program, because you burn so much energy you literally physically can't consume the energy to end up with a gain.
Coupled with that is the fact older athletes have seasoned, heavier bodies in a position where size counts, as well as it seeming to take longer for most big men to develop dexterity and skill with the ball.
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imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
In his 6 years he has played in the ruck probably about 30% of the time. Why would you judge his whole career on just his ruck work? He has kicked 100 goals.
Take the glasses off mate, he is no star but he has done ok to date with his best footy in front of him just going by what players of his size and age have done.
Compare him to Griffith's 5 years on our list as a forward/ruck. Don't think he has even been in the best players after a senior game.
once again i will say i wasnt the one who compared him to ruckmen. i just showed quite effectively that it was a nonsense comparison.
cmon logic says we went and got hamspson because vickery just didnt come on as a ruckman.
what im actually saying here to people is its a nonsense to try and place vickery in #1 ruck company hes been terrible in the role when hes played there and the stats back it up. blokes who are scared dont make it in the ruck.
so imo hes not a top level ruckman and thats what ive argued because others keep comparing him to ruckmen, with hampson so ordinary as a player the need remains for us to find a top level ruckman to take over from maric.
if you want to talk about him as a tall fwd im happy to do that as well. ive regularly posted my criticisms of him as a fwd and i think him ordinary or just ok most of the time.the one saving grace, and is probably the only thing that keeps him getting a game, is like you say he manages to kick a few goals mostly cheapies mind. but he hits the scoreboard.
but even then as a kpf he needs to kick more.
i dont need stats to tell me he doesnt take many c/m an ideal trait for a tall fwd. he hasnt in the past crashed packs and given good aerial contests.at 200cm he should be the one we bomb it to when we need to.
he tackles rarely in fact is lazy without the ball and doesnt even chase half the time.
doesnt block or even spoil so few 1% another trait id expect in my tallsand rucks at least.the simple truth is he just disappears in games.
hes not finding a lot of ball despite often being freed up on ball. and to finish when on ball he contributes little.
constant criticisms of his game and until they improve i will continue to complain about them.
for 6 yrs the same sort of criticisms no change so what makes people think they magically change in yr 7.
all i ask of the club is they go out and draft a decent junior kpf in the draft just in case vickery doesnt take that magical leap you think he will.so we arent left at the start line again still looking for a top level kpf to partner riewoldt.
imo we should be looking at kpfs and not another 200cm come ruck cum fwd if we are lucky just okay at both roles.
What I don't understand is why you are comparing Vickory against either a genuine ruckmen or a genuine KPF. His is part time at both. It's unfair to do it the way you have. You need to compare him against players that play his roll. A second ruckmen which he is behind Maric, that plays forward because he CAN take a good clunk and kick it pretty well. If you were to ask me I don't think he is good enough to play either roll exclusively. But IMO is doing a pretty good job doing what he is doing for a player of his size and shape in his 6th year.
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Pretty simple problems with this guy IMO.
1. Lacks heart (EG. Cox episode)
2. Waistline too small - powerful big men have thick waists. That's where you get the power. Forget the biceps.
Until he gets these two things he will always be a B grade player at best.
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Pretty simple problems with this guy IMO.
2. Waistline too small - powerful big men have thick waists. That's where you get the power. Forget the biceps.
get this guy on the Relton Roberts diet STAT!
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imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
In his 6 years he has played in the ruck probably about 30% of the time. Why would you judge his whole career on just his ruck work? He has kicked 100 goals.
Take the glasses off mate, he is no star but he has done ok to date with his best footy in front of him just going by what players of his size and age have done.
Compare him to Griffith's 5 years on our list as a forward/ruck. Don't think he has even been in the best players after a senior game.
once again i will say i wasnt the one who compared him to ruckmen. i just showed quite effectively that it was a nonsense comparison.
cmon logic says we went and got hamspson because vickery just didnt come on as a ruckman.
what im actually saying here to people is its a nonsense to try and place vickery in #1 ruck company hes been terrible in the role when hes played there and the stats back it up. blokes who are scared dont make it in the ruck.
so imo hes not a top level ruckman and thats what ive argued because others keep comparing him to ruckmen, with hampson so ordinary as a player the need remains for us to find a top level ruckman to take over from maric.
if you want to talk about him as a tall fwd im happy to do that as well. ive regularly posted my criticisms of him as a fwd and i think him ordinary or just ok most of the time.the one saving grace, and is probably the only thing that keeps him getting a game, is like you say he manages to kick a few goals mostly cheapies mind. but he hits the scoreboard.
but even then as a kpf he needs to kick more.
i dont need stats to tell me he doesnt take many c/m an ideal trait for a tall fwd. he hasnt in the past crashed packs and given good aerial contests.at 200cm he should be the one we bomb it to when we need to.
he tackles rarely in fact is lazy without the ball and doesnt even chase half the time.
doesnt block or even spoil so few 1% another trait id expect in my tallsand rucks at least.the simple truth is he just disappears in games.
hes not finding a lot of ball despite often being freed up on ball. and to finish when on ball he contributes little.
constant criticisms of his game and until they improve i will continue to complain about them.
for 6 yrs the same sort of criticisms no change so what makes people think they magically change in yr 7.
all i ask of the club is they go out and draft a decent junior kpf in the draft just in case vickery doesnt take that magical leap you think he will.so we arent left at the start line again still looking for a top level kpf to partner riewoldt.
imo we should be looking at kpfs and not another 200cm come ruck cum fwd if we are lucky just okay at both roles.
What I don't understand is why you are comparing Vickory against either a genuine ruckmen or a genuine KPF. His is part time at both. It's unfair to do it the way you have. You need to compare him against players that play his roll. A second ruckmen which he is behind Maric, that plays forward because he CAN take a good clunk and kick it pretty well. If you were to ask me I don't think he is good enough to play either roll exclusively. But IMO is doing a pretty good job doing what he is doing for a player of his size and shape in his 6th year.
sheesh how many times does one have to say hes not the one who compared him to other ruckmen.others did that.
so all ive done is show there is no comparison with the comparisons.
ive been saying exactly what you have said hes not good enough to play either role exclusively your words,i take it a step further and constanfly said imo he should not get a game because he doesnt do one of the roles to an acceptable level. jack of two trades master of neither.
my opinion on most of our talls has been and continues to be, we could easily upgrade most of our kpp/ruck stocks with only riewoldt rance and maric top level performers.
mate theres good reasons as to why i keep on saying our tall fwd stocks are dire.
so if vickery is a part timefwd/ruck what the hell do we do with griffiths. same role as vickery only one place.
but there is a reason to compare him against others in the roles he plays. that is to see how he stacks up in that role.
me ive constantly put him in the ruck/fwd or utility category and have constantly stated he is ordinary at both rolesit would be good if he was top level or even decent at one of the roles.
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How do we easily upgrade every tall to rance standard?
With those 7, top 5 draft picks we have?
Maybe we can ask the magic fairy and she will grant our wish if give her yellow paddlepops
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1. Lacks heart (EG. Cox episode)
Is the incident which has turned my opinion on TY, not so much the hit but with the second half performance he put in after that, peeweak
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The wise and great claw ski
but there is a reason to compare him against others in the roles he plays. that is to see how he stacks up in that role.
How,would you say Vickery rates in comparison to kpp from his draft pool ?
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1. Lacks heart (EG. Cox episode)
Is the incident which has turned my opinion on TY, not so much the hit but with the second half performance he put in after that, peeweak
Yep should have followed up when Cox hit the deck with a "That's what you get!" and then a water bottle squirt at the two mouthy tools behind the bench. :thumbsup
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1. Lacks heart (EG. Cox episode)
Is the incident which has turned my opinion on TY, not so much the hit but with the second half performance he put in after that, peeweak
Yep should have followed up when Cox hit the deck with a "That's what you get!" and then a water bottle squirt at the two mouthy tools behind the bench. :thumbsup
Would of got like 5 year ban
Fancy what people would say on here. I was in favour of it however
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How do we easily upgrade every tall to rance standard?
With those 7, top 5 draft picks we have?
Maybe we can ask the magic fairy and she will grant our wish if give her yellow paddlepops
did i say in one draft or even two. only an imbecile would think that, hence i didnt state it. but hey it seems one or two on here arent too bright and need every detail spelt out for em.
im sure you can work your own question out it just takes a smidgeon of common sense. yet again a bloke who believes in magic fairies probably cant.
The wise and great claw ski
but there is a reason to compare him against others in the roles he plays. that is to see how he stacks up in that role.
How,would you say Vickery rates in comparison to kpp from his draft pool ?
why dont you tell me. not sure what its got to do with vickery and how hes performed.to me if talls in his draft pool rate worse than him and have performed worse than him it just shows how poor they have been as well. are you saying we keep vickery because hes been less poor than others.
thats unbelievable poor is poor regardless.
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1. Lacks heart (EG. Cox episode)
Is the incident which has turned my opinion on TY, not so much the hit but with the second half performance he put in after that, peeweak
Yep should have followed up when Cox hit the deck with a "That's what you get!" and then a water bottle squirt at the two mouthy tools behind the bench. :thumbsup
:clapping
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imo he would be the worst PERFORMED ruckman in the comp and that goes for juniors as well as seniors. as a ruckman hes abysmal.
Sorry Claw but if that is really what you think then there is little point even discussing it further as you are obviously incapable of understanding the game.
He isn't even the worst performed ruckman on our list.
we only have two others imo, hamspud who is terrible player but a better ruckman than vickery yet people want him delisted and maric who is a circuit of flemington in front of him.
what ruckmen on our list is he in front of.
hmm other ruckmen
jacobs no where near him similar age.
leuenberger nope nowhere near him
martin nope martin easy.
kruezer nope
warnock nope
cameron wood nope is a better ruckman hhhaaarrrggghhh.
grundy nope is already better
witts nope is better
bellchambers nope
giles nope
sandilands nope
clarke nope
griffiths nope.
do i really need to go on and do every team. im not sure what you and tone are watching but all ive seen is ordinary when it comes to vickery and the ruck. ffs orren stephenson was a mile better ruckman than vickery.
derickx at sydney, a bloke we cut has shown more. longer looks better in the role already. we are talking ruckman here and vickery has played 6 complete seasons approaches 100 games is close to 25 yrs old at the start of the season and we are still having debates about his potential and weather he should even be kept or not. quite frankly that is not good enough.
to date in the role of ruckman vickery has been poo. and there is not one thing you or tone or flipflop judge can bring up to dispute it.
In his 6 years he has played in the ruck probably about 30% of the time. Why would you judge his whole career on just his ruck work? He has kicked 100 goals.
Take the glasses off mate, he is no star but he has done ok to date with his best footy in front of him just going by what players of his size and age have done.
Compare him to Griffith's 5 years on our list as a forward/ruck. Don't think he has even been in the best players after a senior game.
once again i will say i wasnt the one who compared him to ruckmen. i just showed quite effectively that it was a nonsense comparison.
cmon logic says we went and got hamspson because vickery just didnt come on as a ruckman.
what im actually saying here to people is its a nonsense to try and place vickery in #1 ruck company hes been terrible in the role when hes played there and the stats back it up. blokes who are scared dont make it in the ruck.
so imo hes not a top level ruckman and thats what ive argued because others keep comparing him to ruckmen, with hampson so ordinary as a player the need remains for us to find a top level ruckman to take over from maric.
if you want to talk about him as a tall fwd im happy to do that as well. ive regularly posted my criticisms of him as a fwd and i think him ordinary or just ok most of the time.the one saving grace, and is probably the only thing that keeps him getting a game, is like you say he manages to kick a few goals mostly cheapies mind. but he hits the scoreboard.
but even then as a kpf he needs to kick more.
i dont need stats to tell me he doesnt take many c/m an ideal trait for a tall fwd. he hasnt in the past crashed packs and given good aerial contests.at 200cm he should be the one we bomb it to when we need to.
he tackles rarely in fact is lazy without the ball and doesnt even chase half the time.
doesnt block or even spoil so few 1% another trait id expect in my tallsand rucks at least.the simple truth is he just disappears in games.
hes not finding a lot of ball despite often being freed up on ball. and to finish when on ball he contributes little.
constant criticisms of his game and until they improve i will continue to complain about them.
for 6 yrs the same sort of criticisms no change so what makes people think they magically change in yr 7.
all i ask of the club is they go out and draft a decent junior kpf in the draft just in case vickery doesnt take that magical leap you think he will.so we arent left at the start line again still looking for a top level kpf to partner riewoldt.
imo we should be looking at kpfs and not another 200cm come ruck cum fwd if we are lucky just okay at both roles.
What I don't understand is why you are comparing Vickory against either a genuine ruckmen or a genuine KPF. His is part time at both. It's unfair to do it the way you have. You need to compare him against players that play his roll. A second ruckmen which he is behind Maric, that plays forward because he CAN take a good clunk and kick it pretty well. If you were to ask me I don't think he is good enough to play either roll exclusively. But IMO is doing a pretty good job doing what he is doing for a player of his size and shape in his 6th year.
sheesh how many times does one have to say hes not the one who compared him to other ruckmen.others did that.
so all ive done is show there is no comparison with the comparisons.
ive been saying exactly what you have said hes not good enough to play either role exclusively your words,i take it a step further and constanfly said imo he should not get a game because he doesnt do one of the roles to an acceptable level. jack of two trades master of neither.
my opinion on most of our talls has been and continues to be, we could easily upgrade most of our kpp/ruck stocks with only riewoldt rance and maric top level performers.
mate theres good reasons as to why i keep on saying our tall fwd stocks are dire.
so if vickery is a part timefwd/ruck what the hell do we do with griffiths. same role as vickery only one place.
but there is a reason to compare him against others in the roles he plays. that is to see how he stacks up in that role.
me ive constantly put him in the ruck/fwd or utility category and have constantly stated he is ordinary at both rolesit would be good if he was top level or even decent at one of the roles.
Claw that's all you ever do is compare players and their STATS. Who are you kidding!
In saying that I'm happy to hear the comparison between TV and players of his age and roll. As long as it's a genuine like for like comparison.
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tone this is the last time on this.
i judge our players the exact same way i look at juniors .
i look for what they do well and i look for what they dont do so well. i will then look at stats to see if what ive seen is actually on the ball.
if you cant be convinced of this then no point continuing.
at least im not selective like you. and i have doine the comparison between his age and roll??. he doesnt stack up.
i have judged vickery against all players at the same stages of his career and he doesnt stack up. you said it yourself and quote. i dont think hes good enough to play either role exclusively. end quote. id argue he must be capable of doing one of the roles to a pretty decent level or we are wasting our time.
if we as a club are going to play vickery in one of the key fwd posts then i dont want him in the side. id much rather we recognise the need for a quality kpf and go after a kid like mccartin. we do need a top level kpf to partner riewoldt. vickery is not the answer. unlike you i dont think he clunks marks well nowhere near enough and he doesnt compete in the air enough.
i could live with vickery in the ruck/fwd role but to be honest i think griffiths is the better option in this role even though his performances to date arent as good as vickerys.its called greater potential even though hes been ordinary.
if vickery at pick 8 is not good enough to play ruck or kpf exclusively is this a failed top 10 pick. imo yes.
mate im sick of going around in circles we wont agree on this and im happy to leave it as it is knowing we disagree.
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How do we easily upgrade every tall to rance standard?
With those 7, top 5 draft picks we have?
Maybe we can ask the magic fairy and she will grant our wish if give her yellow paddlepops
did i say in one draft or even two. only an imbecile would think that, hence i didnt state it. but hey it seems one or two on here arent too bright and need every detail spelt out for em.
im sure you can work your own question out it just takes a smidgeon of common sense. yet again a bloke who believes in magic fairies probably cant.
The wise and great claw ski
but there is a reason to compare him against others in the roles he plays. that is to see how he stacks up in that role.
How,would you say Vickery rates in comparison to kpp from his draft pool ?
why dont you tell me. not sure what its got to do with vickery and how hes performed.to me if talls in his draft pool rate worse than him and have performed worse than him it just shows how poor they have been as well. are you saying we keep vickery because hes been less poor than others.
thats unbelievable poor is poor regardless.
You have proposed it is Easy;
to replace Hampson, Chaplin, Griffiths, Vickery, grimes, Astbury
So outside the magic fairy option lets investigate how one can do this.
to get these six 'A grade' KPp' Over say a three year period. You'd have to use a first and secound draft pick each season on a tall. This would equate to 6 kPp. The problem I would say is as follows,
1. that's 3 years of 2nd and 1st round draft picks . Are we have to allow the midfield stagnate to such an extent? Three years of prioritising bigs regardless of the midfield talent?
2. I there a some sort of assurance that these six talls will make it? Is there a similar promise they will be superior to the current crop?
3. Is there going to be a good chance after very little time on the list, you will call for these new players to be delisted as they have not shown enough, fast enough?
You said it was easy so it beside my self with excitement waiting for the orcales explanation.
You are not sure why the comparison between the talls in his draft and Tyrone? Well, it's a more fair or accurate comparison, you see? Apples with apples if you will. Perhaps mor apt than the comparison itch the two best ruckman of the modern era. I am not saying we should keep Vickery becaus era other large kid in Australia s coincidently rubbish that season - I am saying more, perhaps if the overwhelming theme of the talls in that draft is fail, then they could require more time in the system before conclusive judge and label duds? Poor = poor. But does 100 goals @ 23 yoa, at 1.2 per game poor?
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tone this is the last time on this.
i judge our players the exact same way i look at juniors .
i look for what they do well and i look for what they dont do so well. i will then look at stats to see if what ive seen is actually on the ball.
if you cant be convinced of this then no point continuing.
at least im not selective like you. and i have doine the comparison between his age and roll??. he doesnt stack up.
mate im sick of going around in circles we wont agree on this and im happy to leave it as it is knowing we disagree.
The talk unadulterated crap strategy then go away. Genius.
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tone this is the last time on this.
i judge our players the exact same way i look at juniors .
i look for what they do well and i look for what they dont do so well. i will then look at stats to see if what ive seen is actually on the ball.
if you cant be convinced of this then no point continuing.
at least im not selective like you. and i have doine the comparison between his age and roll??. he doesnt stack up.
mate im sick of going around in circles we wont agree on this and im happy to leave it as it is knowing we disagree.
The talk unadulterated crap strategy then go away. Genius.
oh deary me you getting bitter there judge cmon you should be used to vickers copping criticism hes been so lousy.
and no ive said what i wanted to say not once not twice but numerous times i dont see the point in going over and over the exact same things even if you do.
cmon judge tell us all how good vickery has been again. someone else may be silly enough to reply to you.
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How do we easily upgrade every tall to rance standard?
With those 7, top 5 draft picks we have?
Maybe we can ask the magic fairy and she will grant our wish if give her yellow paddlepops
did i say in one draft or even two. only an imbecile would think that, hence i didnt state it. but hey it seems one or two on here arent too bright and need every detail spelt out for em.
im sure you can work your own question out it just takes a smidgeon of common sense. yet again a bloke who believes in magic fairies probably cant.
The wise and great claw ski
but there is a reason to compare him against others in the roles he plays. that is to see how he stacks up in that role.
How,would you say Vickery rates in comparison to kpp from his draft pool ?
why dont you tell me. not sure what its got to do with vickery and how hes performed.to me if talls in his draft pool rate worse than him and have performed worse than him it just shows how poor they have been as well. are you saying we keep vickery because hes been less poor than others.
thats unbelievable poor is poor regardless.
You have proposed it is Easy;
to replace Hampson, Chaplin, Griffiths, Vickery, grimes, Astbury
So outside the magic fairy option lets investigate how one can do this.
to get these six 'A grade' KPp' Over say a three year period. You'd have to use a first and secound draft pick each season on a tall. This would equate to 6 kPp. The problem I would say is as follows,
1. that's 3 years of 2nd and 1st round draft picks . Are we have to allow the midfield stagnate to such an extent? Three years of prioritising bigs regardless of the midfield talent?
2. I there a some sort of assurance that these six talls will make it? Is there a similar promise they will be superior to the current crop?
3. Is there going to be a good chance after very little time on the list, you will call for these new players to be delisted as they have not shown enough, fast enough?
You said it was easy so it beside my self with excitement waiting for the orcales explanation.
You are not sure why the comparison between the talls in his draft and Tyrone? Well, it's a more fair or accurate comparison, you see? Apples with apples if you will. Perhaps mor apt than the comparison itch the two best ruckman of the modern era. I am not saying we should keep Vickery becaus era other large kid in Australia s coincidently rubbish that season - I am saying more, perhaps if the overwhelming theme of the talls in that draft is fail, then they could require more time in the system before conclusive judge and label duds? Poor = poor. But does 100 goals @ 23 yoa, at 1.2 per game poor?
with that nonsense you would be better of sticking with your magic fairy theory. not too bright are we
cmon judge tell us all at just how good
vickery griffiths grimes astbury elton chaplin hampson mcintosh have been, have i missed any. then you can tell us all why its impossible to replace em and why we shouldnt. this should be good.
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How do we easily upgrade every tall to rance standard?
With those 7, top 5 draft picks we have?
Maybe we can ask the magic fairy and she will grant our wish if give her yellow paddlepops
did i say in one draft or even two. only an imbecile would think that, hence i didnt state it. but hey it seems one or two on here arent too bright and need every detail spelt out for em.
im sure you can work your own question out it just takes a smidgeon of common sense. yet again a bloke who believes in magic fairies probably cant.
The wise and great claw ski
but there is a reason to compare him against others in the roles he plays. that is to see how he stacks up in that role.
How,would you say Vickery rates in comparison to kpp from his draft pool ?
why dont you tell me. not sure what its got to do with vickery and how hes performed.to me if talls in his draft pool rate worse than him and have performed worse than him it just shows how poor they have been as well. are you saying we keep vickery because hes been less poor than others.
thats unbelievable poor is poor regardless.
You have proposed it is Easy;
to replace Hampson, Chaplin, Griffiths, Vickery, grimes, Astbury
So outside the magic fairy option lets investigate how one can do this.
to get these six 'A grade' KPp' Over say a three year period. You'd have to use a first and secound draft pick each season on a tall. This would equate to 6 kPp. The problem I would say is as follows,
1. that's 3 years of 2nd and 1st round draft picks . Are we have to allow the midfield stagnate to such an extent? Three years of prioritising bigs regardless of the midfield talent?
2. I there a some sort of assurance that these six talls will make it? Is there a similar promise they will be superior to the current crop?
3. Is there going to be a good chance after very little time on the list, you will call for these new players to be delisted as they have not shown enough, fast enough?
You said it was easy so it beside my self with excitement waiting for the orcales explanation.
You are not sure why the comparison between the talls in his draft and Tyrone? Well, it's a more fair or accurate comparison, you see? Apples with apples if you will. Perhaps mor apt than the comparison itch the two best ruckman of the modern era. I am not saying we should keep Vickery becaus era other large kid in Australia s coincidently rubbish that season - I am saying more, perhaps if the overwhelming theme of the talls in that draft is fail, then they could require more time in the system before conclusive judge and label duds? Poor = poor. But does 100 goals @ 23 yoa, at 1.2 per game poor?
with that nonsense you would be better of sticking with your magic fairy theory. not too bright are we
cmon judge tell us all at just how good
vickery griffiths grimes astbury elton chaplin hampson mcintosh have been, have i missed any. then you can tell us all why its impossible to replace em and why we shouldnt. this should be good.
Isn't McIntosh one of yours Claw. I'm sure he is as he is one of the only players you have put your name to as a potential, which I think is great, without any stats to back you up. You must see something in him that you like.
Now you want him gone?
By the way, Grimes is twice the player he will ever be.
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nope i dont want him gone just yet. just stating the real obvious that hes been poor to date.injury has had a fair bit to do with that so i cut him plenty of slack. cmon no one can call him top level or say with any certainty that he will become top level atm. it may be two ot three yrs before anyone can that is if he survives.
yep i liked mcintosh a real lot as a junior and i like a lot of his attributes but i wont be putting him on a pedestal until he earns it.you tell me how hard based on what hes done would it be to rplace him.
in the context of the conversation with what hes delivered to date it would not be hard to find a player who would produce more in the same sort of time frame. and thats the point many on here already want mcintosh cut .
the simple fact is we have just 3 top level tall players now those three would be hard to replace, but sheesh look at the performance of the rest and it is a legit question how hard would it be to upgrade the rest. imo not hard at all.
as for your grimes comment you could end up right but that doesnt make grimes a good player either. it will just mean both have been poo. i just hate spineless players and grimes is in the vickery class when it comes to a bit of mongrel and ticker.ffs how many times does a bloke his size have to be pushed around by midgets.
yep mcintosh is one of mine but im honest when i talk about em and their performances.
hmm helbig i liked and said so contin was another post another and theres been plenty more gourdis imo worth looking at. mate i have never ever said i get em all right i certainly get my share wrong. as i said if you think i dont look at players fine whats the point in even having the debate. you know one thing though ive always said id back my record over the club and most other tiger supporters.
i know you dont like to hear it but ordinary sums our talls up bar just 3 and your arguing i think that they cant be easily replaced and if not what the hell are you arguing.imo youve been reading judges posts too long and hes rubbing off on ya.
how does it go again oh yeah, i dont think hes good enough to play either role exclusively not my words tone so what the hell are you arguing about.without a doubt awith a 6 yr window no one can argue to date vickeys been a na wont pee you off any more than you lets just say hes been ordinary. hmm do you believe in magical fairies too tone.
just to finish i hope your right.i hope the big girl can turn it around and become a decent player and for me at least become a decent player in one the roles he currently performs badly in.6yr 7 100 games 25 yrs of age sort of says its make or break dont you think.
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For what it is worth, I don't overly like or dislike Vickery either way.
#standbygriffiths
tone this is the last time on this.
i judge our players the exact same way i look at juniors .
i look for what they do well and i look for what they dont do so well. i will then look at stats to see if what ive seen is actually on the ball.
if you cant be convinced of this then no point continuing.
at least im not selective like you. and i have doine the comparison between his age and roll??. he doesnt stack up.
mate im sick of going around in circles we wont agree on this and im happy to leave it as it is knowing we disagree.
The talk unadulterated crap strategy then go away. Genius.
oh deary me you getting bitter there judge cmon you should be used to vickers copping criticism hes been so lousy.
and no ive said what i wanted to say not once not twice but numerous times i dont see the point in going over and over the exact same things even if you do.
cmon judge tell us all how good vickery has been again. someone else may be silly enough to reply to you.
In the history of the richmond football club: Founded 1885.
There have been 18 players.
200cm of hight, or taller.
Of this list, the following are included;
Vickery, Griffiths, orren, Hampson, Derrickx, Hampson, Angus graham, Trent knoble, Greg Stafford, brad ottens.
The majority, playing or having played in the last few years.
I put it to you, old boy; the reason for the lack of successful KPFs historically, is largely that they did not exist in plentiful amount, in regards to being on an vfl/afl list. Where as now the trend is for larger super-athletes (for whatever the reason) Hence the future will see both an increase of 200cm+ footballers in the system and more successful KPFs.
* I seem to have quoted the wrong post but oh wel
* not two hampsons, (thank god), but rather Andrew Browne. He was a gun IMO. Should never let him go
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the reason for lack of 200+cm kpf is.
1 not many 200+cm players have successful careers.
2 the majority of those that do, play ruck.
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the reason for lack of 200+cm kpf is.
1 not many 200+cm players have successful careers.
2 the majority of those that do, play ruck.
The richmond football club has had only eighteen people 200+cm, to play one or more game - 150 odd years
Many of those, are currently on the list or were very recently mcbean #19
Why would that be?
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hormones in chicken meat?
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hormones in chicken meat?
Evolution? john Nichols was called big nick and played ruck. He is actually the same size as Chris Judd.
Polly farmer, one of the greatest rucks in history was only about 6 ft 3.
The reason why we have had so few 200 cm plus players in 150 years is that there weren't as many around.
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For what it is worth, I don't overly like or dislike Vickery either way.
#standbygriffiths
tone this is the last time on this.
i judge our players the exact same way i look at juniors .
i look for what they do well and i look for what they dont do so well. i will then look at stats to see if what ive seen is actually on the ball.
if you cant be convinced of this then no point continuing.
at least im not selective like you. and i have doine the comparison between his age and roll??. he doesnt stack up.
mate im sick of going around in circles we wont agree on this and im happy to leave it as it is knowing we disagree.
The talk unadulterated crap strategy then go away. Genius.
oh deary me you getting bitter there judge cmon you should be used to vickers copping criticism hes been so lousy.
and no ive said what i wanted to say not once not twice but numerous times i dont see the point in going over and over the exact same things even if you do.
cmon judge tell us all how good vickery has been again. someone else may be silly enough to reply to you.
In the history of the richmond football club: Founded 1885.
There have been 18 players.
200cm of hight, or taller.
Of this list, the following are included;
Vickery, Griffiths, orren, Hampson, Derrickx, Hampson, Angus graham, Trent knoble, Greg Stafford, brad ottens.
The majority, playing or having played in the last few years.
I put it to you, old boy; the reason for the lack of successful KPFs historically, is largely that they did not exist in plentiful amount, in regards to being on an vfl/afl list. Where as now the trend is for larger super-athletes (for whatever the reason) Hence the future will see both an increase of 200cm+ footballers in the system and more successful KPFs.
* I seem to have quoted the wrong post but oh wel
* not two hampsons, (thank god), but rather Andrew Browne. He was a gun IMO. Should never let him go
and not one top level kpf amopng them. keep going going judge you just make my point stronger and stronger.
im still asking of all the 200cm plus players who have played how many have cecome top level kpfs.
if you had pick 8 and wanted a kpf would you use it on a 200cm player. you would think long and hard and most likely say no. ffs you would be loath to use pick 8 on a kid who projects strongly as a ruckman.
im still waiting for your list of 200cm plus players who have become top level kpfs.
look we all know why you put your head in the sand on this. we have 3 players vickery griffiths and mcbean all 200cm plus with expectations that they will play kpf. we cant have someone coming up with data that says wait a minute historically few at 200cm go on to become top level kpfs.historically 200cm players are ruckmen.
if im wrong show me the list o 200cm players that have become top level fwds or shut the stuff up and stop your whining like a little girl.
1 not many 200+cm players have successful careers.
2 the majority of those that do, play ruck.
so what are you saying here or even arguing about.
when i say few 200cm players have ever become top level kpfs what are you and the nuffie arguing about.
when a say if we are chasing kpfs we should be looking at players around 194 - 197cm because histotically so many of the top level ones have been at this height yoiu disagree its a decent guide of the height rande to look at .
im reall not sure waht you and the nuffie are debating here but keep on going you make me look good.
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im saying there are reasons why there are not too many kkp above 200, the main one being that the percentage of the population that height is low, therefore the percentage of afl players will be low.
of the few that are, they are general played in the ruck as their height gives an advantage in getting first use of the ball. this does not nesesarrily mean they cant become kpf, ( in some cases this is true, though) just that team balance is normalled served better by playing the 200+ in the ruck and the 200- as kpp.
if you truly believe that a player cannot play kpf just because he is over 200cm, then not even the village idiot could say anything to make you look good.
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hormones in chicken meat?
Evolution? john Nichols was called big nick and played ruck. He is actually the same size as Chris Judd.
Polly farmer, one of the greatest rucks in history was only about 6 ft 3.
The reason why we have had so few 200 cm plus players in 150 years is that there weren't as many around.
So can we conclude from this:
The followings sentence is true or false -
"The fact ther have not been a large number of successful tall KPFs historically, does not necessarily prove iin the future this will continue to be the case"
Or to word it differently, of the games greatest ruckman were the same size as the like of judd and ,actin, is the logically extension not that larger KPFs will succeed in the future?
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im saying there are reasons why there are not too many kkp above 200, the main one being that the percentage of the population that height is low, therefore the percentage of afl players will be low.
of the few that are, they are general played in the ruck as their height gives an advantage in getting first use of the ball. this does not nesesarrily mean they cant become kpf, ( in some cases this is true, though) just that team balance is normalled served better by playing the 200+ in the ruck and the 200- as kpp.
if you truly believe that a player cannot play kpf just because he is over 200cm, then not even the village idiot could say anything to make you look good.
now now al no putting words in my mouth and if your prepared to keep it civil i will too, so i will just ignore the childish village idiot comment for now.
ive not said anywhere that 200cm players cant play kpp. in fact ive spoken about keefe at collingwood on this forum, i have said they are very much a rarity and i have repeatedly said nothing is written in stone and there are alwys exceptions to the guide or rule.
the reason i dont list 200 cm plus players as kpfs is because you can count on one hand if you are lucky just how many have become top level kpfs.
when i say the majority of top level kpfs that have been found are MAINLY, (not written in stone as there are some exceptions) thats just for you so theres no confusion , then id say a decent loose guide when chasing kpfs would be to look in the 194cm - 197 height range. you do understand what a loose guide is.
anyway i dont know what all the fuss is here just you lot being anal nd prcious as usual.
as i said to nuffie judge i have a few guides as to where i place players on the list, i thought it was a decent thing to do as others may take something from it. to date all i have copped is jealousy and ridicukle from just a couple.
for me and i cant see why its such a bad thing, i break tall list structure down to three categories, 190 - 193 and loosly describe them as third tall and running talls. in the main id say this description fits so whats the problem.
for me most of the best kpfs have fallen in the 194 -197 height range. it seems to be a good fit with some exceptions of course but i dont claim its written in stone , its a guide.
for me above 197 and in particular 200cm very few have become top level kpfs. its an observation it seems to be pretty accurate but it seems angers people why i have no idea,again there are some exceptions i dont claim there arent but as an average or a guide i see nothing wrong.
anyway the balls in your court now. you can be civil or it can degenerate into just another slanging match as it usually does. actually it wont even do that as i will just go back to ignoring your posts.
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no one is getting angry.
ive explained why not many players over 200cm become kkp.
no one is putting words in your mouth.
are these not your words?
how many 200cm plus ruck /fwds do we need while we only have one at 195cm. seems you dont think we need balance in our list.
most people would be more interested in if they play, but you seem more interested in whether they are 197cm rather than 202
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hormones in chicken meat?
Evolution? john Nichols was called big nick and played ruck. He is actually the same size as Chris Judd.
Polly farmer, one of the greatest rucks in history was only about 6 ft 3.
The reason why we have had so few 200 cm plus players in 150 years is that there weren't as many around.
So can we conclude from this:
The followings sentence is true or false -
"The fact ther have not been a large number of successful tall KPFs historically, does not necessarily prove iin the future this will continue to be the case"
Or to word it differently, of the games greatest ruckman were the same size as the like of judd and ,actin, is the logically extension not that larger KPFs will succeed in the future?
The first one.
But also, our society is getting taller and therefore we will see that flow onto the football field.
Or, historically our society was shorter, therefore, we did not see many successful tall KPFs because there were not many around.
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no one is getting angry.
ive explained why not many players over 200cm become kkp.
no one is putting words in your mouth.
are these not your words?
how many 200cm plus ruck /fwds do we need while we only have one at 195cm. seems you dont think we need balance in our list.
most people would be more interested in if they play, but you seem more interested in whether they are 197cm rather than 202
when you say - if you truly believe that a player cannot play kpf just because he is over 200cm then not even the village idiot could make you look good.
now that is putting words in my mouth because nowhere have i said 200cm players cant play kpf. i even gave an example of one who has. as for the village idiot comment if i abused you in return you would have deserved it.
im not sure when i ask, how many 200cm plus ruck fwds do we need? it somehow equates to saying players cant play kpf just because they are over 200cm. more of the same from you eh al.always misconstruing what people say to suit. always being disingenuous.
all i have said is, so few of those players taken at 200cm for what ever reason have become good consistent kpfs. as such if looking for a guide to drafting kpfs id be looking in the 194-197 height range as so many good kpfs have been taken in this range.
i also asked where was the balance on the list among our tall fwds when we had 3 ruck/fwds at 200plus cm of which none had thus far shown they can exclusively play kpf with just one other at 195cm. i take it your reply here on this point means you think the balance was fine.
i agree with your theory when you say one of the reasons why so few 200cm players have made kpfs is because theres less 200cm players around the place.
thing is the real crux of the debate was, of the 200cm players who have played the game, your theory does not explain why so few who have played have made it as kpfs.. and plenty have been tried.me i think there are some lessons and guides to be taken from that.
you said it your self the vast majority of these blokes are primarily ruckman so why would you draft one when looking for a kpf. can this not be a guide of sorts.
anyway i can see this ending up where it usually does with you so thanks for the reply i wont bother you again.
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Now no-ones putting anything in anyones mouth so lets not get excited. whats going on?
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Now no-ones putting anything in anyones mouth so lets not get excited. whats going on?
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Now no-ones putting anything in anyones mouth so lets not get excited. whats going on?
That's a relief, I was quite horrified about the gayness going on in here
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Tiga comes in with the goods lol
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Now no-ones putting anything in anyones mouth so lets not get excited. whats going on?
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:lol
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Now no-ones putting anything in anyones mouth so lets not get excited. whats going on?
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:lol
I could have also posted this in the Connor Menadue thread. ;D
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A worm crawled into my mouth and I ate it.
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A worm crawled into my mouth and I ate it.
:lol I hope it wasn't Dr Worm who wasn't a real Doctor but was a real worm... ;D
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A worm crawled into my mouth and I ate it.
:lol I hope it wasn't Dr Worm who wasn't a real Doctor but was a real worm... ;D
That would depend on weather they actually called him Doctor worm or not😉
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Had a good game I thought..
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Fair bit of whacking Vickery for the sake of it I reckon.
Thought he was ok yesterday, not great conditions to be a forward for most of the game, fairly congested ground and Port putting numbers back.
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Was okay and that's it. He's just too weak to be a good stay at home forward
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Was okay and that's it. He's just too weak to be a good stay at home forward
His biggest weakness is still between the ears.......
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Was okay and that's it. He's just too weak to be a good stay at home forward
His biggest weakness is still between the ears.......
And that's impossible to build upon
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Was okay and that's it. He's just too weak to be a good stay at home forward
His biggest weakness is still between the ears.......
Weak of mind, body and spirit I'm afraid.
Still reckon IF (big, big if) he was to become a player it'd be as a mobile ruckman.
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His biggest weakness is still between the ears.......
BINGO
Had a number of chances yesterday to clunk a couple of good grabs and muffed them
Based on the side Port had in, IMHO he had a great chance to impose himself and yet again he didn't
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His biggest weakness is still between the ears.......
BINGO
Had a number of chances yesterday to clunk a couple of good grabs and muffed them
Based on the side Port had in, IMHO he had a great chance to impose himself and yet again he didn't
Yet we didn't need another ruckman to help Ivan and we persist with duds like him and the bloke who needs. 12 years to put on weight, McBean.
Awesome vibe! :thumbsup
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His biggest weakness is still between the ears.......
BINGO
Had a number of chances yesterday to clunk a couple of good grabs and muffed them
Based on the side Port had in, IMHO he had a great chance to impose himself and yet again he didn't
Yet we didn't need another ruckman to help Ivan and we persist with duds like him and the bloke who needs. 12 years to put on weight, McBean.
Awesome vibe! :thumbsup
Actually I reckon Griffiths is a better option as a the chop out ruckman. He's got the leap and now the intensity
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How did griff look yesterday?
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I agree.
Needs more self belief which started to come last year, slightly.
Forget Tyson.
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How did griff look yesterday?
Didn't play
Will be interesting to see who plays next week
Because our 3rd NAB game is going to give us pretty good idea of who's playing round 1
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I'm going to sound like a bumhole, but Vickery is a shyte truck.
Sad thing is he has ability but is wasting the club's time and his own. And mine.
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Looked alright early, but muffed a number of chances to clunk marks as the game wore on. Just OK, at best.
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he is an unco, simple as that. Some people can't break it and will always be unco's.
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Vickery and Conca will only ever be average playing at Richmond. Package them up and see what they get at the trade table - Maybe GWS would give us something.
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Vickery and Conca will only ever be average playing at Richmond. Package them up and see what they get at the trade table - Maybe GWS would give us something.
This.
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So the only thing the recruitment staff could hang their hat on was that they at least got their first picks right but even that seems to have question marks over it
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Recruiting isn't that important when you know how to develop players....I'll get back to you on that..
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he is an unco, simple as that. Some people can't break it and will always be unco's.
Actually the irony is that he's incredibly agile and skilled for his size at ground level and in traffic, but is totally useless at the things a KPP should be good at it. He's like a good mid trapped in the body of a crappy tall. Doesn't help that he's also stuffed between the ears.
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Dioc has nailed it.
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ah bs, he can't mark to save himself, he fumbles 8 times out of ten. He isn't bad at a set shot, he runs like a giraffe in calipers and takes half an hour to get started at that.
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he runs like a giraffe in calipers
This is the best.
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he runs like a giraffe in calipers
This is the best.
I liked it too
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ah bs, he can't mark to save himself, he fumbles 8 times out of ten. He isn't bad at a set shot, he runs like a giraffe in calipers and takes half an hour to get started at that.
The best stuff he did on the weekend was in traffic and midfield play and that's been the case throughout his career.We just don't see enough of it because most of the time he's either impersonating a forward, getting killed in the ruck or bludging/sulking behind play. The more time he has to think and stand around, the worse he is - he's a reflex player who needs to be constantly in the thick of the action, not thinking about leads, running patterns and his life in general whilst trying to read the play from afar or as it comes toward him. Unfortunately for him he was probably born a decade or so too early for the era of 200cm midfielders that we'll no doubt see given the way the game is headed.
Don't get me wrong , overall I think he's arse and can't see him improving now and unless he defies all critics as well as the exposed form and suddenly starts killing it he should be the first on the trade trable along with Conca (who's in the same position IMO) if the club is in any way serious about moving forward.
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Yep. Two duds in a pod.
Package deal.
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The best stuff he did on the weekend was in traffic and midfield play and that's been the case throughout his career.We just don't see enough of it because most of the time he's either impersonating a forward, getting killed in the ruck or bludging/sulking behind play. The more time he has to think and stand around, the worse he is - he's a reflex player who needs to be constantly in the thick of the action, not thinking about leads, running patterns and his life in general whilst trying to read the play from afar or as it comes toward him. Unfortunately for him he was probably born a decade or so too early for the era of 200cm midfielders that we'll no doubt see given the way the game is headed.
This is an open question to anyone here with good recollection.
The previous discussion on 200cm players as not being able to make it was that limited to rucks and forwards? Is it possible the 200cm midfielder isn't part of the previous analysis and that it is Unchartered territory ? Is Ty the right player to test this new hypothesis for 200cm midfielders?
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Just read they're trialling 15 second shot clock for set shots this weekend. It takes Ty 15 seconds to take his first 3 steps when having a shot.
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The best stuff he did on the weekend was in traffic and midfield play and that's been the case throughout his career.We just don't see enough of it because most of the time he's either impersonating a forward, getting killed in the ruck or bludging/sulking behind play. The more time he has to think and stand around, the worse he is - he's a reflex player who needs to be constantly in the thick of the action, not thinking about leads, running patterns and his life in general whilst trying to read the play from afar or as it comes toward him. Unfortunately for him he was probably born a decade or so too early for the era of 200cm midfielders that we'll no doubt see given the way the game is headed.
This is an open question to anyone here with good recollection.
The previous discussion on 200cm players as not being able to make it was that limited to rucks and forwards? Is it possible the 200cm midfielder isn't part of the previous analysis and that it is Unchartered territory ? Is Ty the right player to test this new hypothesis for 200cm midfielders?
I'm assumming claw meant forwards as there's been quite a few 200cm + ruckmen who've gone alright. Though blokes like Salmon counted as both.
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it takes 15 seconds for his brain to send a thought to his secondary brain to send a signal to his leg to move
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:lol
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it takes 15 seconds for his brain to send a thought to his secondary brain to send a signal to his leg to move
Hence why he's better when thought is taken out of the equation.
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it takes 15 seconds for his brain to send a thought to his secondary brain to send a signal to his leg to move
Just the mention of something like "second brain" immediately again makes me think of the monster from father Ted.
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I miss father ted, best show ever!
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
Considering the high standards Hampson has been setting, you would have to think 30 hit outs, 6 goals and 22 possies.
Wouldn't you?
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
Take a mark and pass the ball without turning it over
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
Running through the banner and no tears from a crepe paper cut.
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
Laying a tackle and providing a shepherd for a team mate. Looking to pass the ball on to a more advantageous position quickly would be a bonus. Finally taking a pack mark would be awesome!
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
Laying a tackle and providing a shepherd for a team mate. Looking to pass the ball on to a more advantageous position quickly would be a bonus. Finally taking a pack mark would be awesome!
Whoa y&b, the questioned asked for a pass mark what your detailing is the criteria for is 100,000 word PHD in physics.
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
How does one pass if one has already failed?
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
How does one pass if one has already failed?
Are you the stuffing queen of England?
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Back on topic.
What is a pass mark for Vickery against North?
Take a mark and pass the ball without turning it over
You had me at 'take a mark'
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Pass mark, try and look interested
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Just pass on him all together
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does he really care about being a good player? it looks as though he doesn't give a stuff.
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plays with the intensity of a stoned sloth
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plays with the intensity of a stoned sloth
Gold! :lol
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Vickery's stats:
4 disposals (all uncontested)
0% disposal efficiency
4 marks - all unconstested (3 inside 50)
0 tackles
3 hitouts
0 goals
1 behind
50% gametime
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Are these his total preseason stats? I woyld have to question their accuracy as i thought one of his marks as an accidental catch
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Pass mark, try and look interested
Well have to say sadly it was fail today
Looked totally disinterested most of today.
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No doubt he's booked his spot for rnd 1
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Are these his total preseason stats? I woyld have to question their accuracy as i thought one of his marks as an accidental catch
I believe he was catching butterflies
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Oops! FJ did it again again....
He has single handedly ruined our chances of getting decent footballers in this team although now he's getting paid the big $$$ & has a team of duds behind him picking up disappointing duds like Sideshow Bob and Conca.
:banghead
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bollocks, Vickery has the tools, he just isn't interested in using them. This aint down to anyone but the man himself.
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bollocks, Vickery has the tools, he just isn't interested in using them. This aint down to anyone but the man himself.
:clapping
So true.
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bollocks, Vickery has the tools, he just isn't interested in using them. This aint down to anyone but the man himself.
I disagree.
They both are poo & neither should never had been a 1st round selection.
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Watched ty very closely today,even when the play was away.hes just not interested therefore should not be out there.There was one incident which stood out for me.We were coming off halfback down the flank.Ty was 50metres from the play,rather than run his guts out and offer a target,he instead let our giant CHF morro go for the marking contest.He appears a lazy(insert adjective)
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bollocks, Vickery has the tools, he just isn't interested in using them. This aint down to anyone but the man himself.
Absolutely spot one :clapping
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I'm actually starting to resent him.
Nearly every supporter would give an arm and a leg to have the talent, opportunities and pay check he has yet he runs onto the field and does stuff all. Again. And again and again and again.
Absolutely woeful today. Knew he had to step up and chose to play with no intensity. Was basically carried by the rest of the side. What an easy job His opponent and North would be laughing
Pick 8 on a bloke that was drafted purely coz his old man works at the club.
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bollocks, Vickery has the tools, he just isn't interested in using them. This aint down to anyone but the man himself.
I disagree.
They both are poo & neither should never had been a 1st round selection.
hindsight is a wonderfull thing. Vickery was always going to be first round pick, whether with us or someone else.
where are your post at the time saying he would lose interest and play with no intensity?
Hey?
It's easy to defer blame for you emos, but this is all down to Vickery, himself.
So unless you can prove that you saw this coming at the time you are talking out your arse, again.
If he was a bloke getting everything out of himself I'd agree, but he isnt. He has the talent, we see glimpses, but he is not getting the best of himself.
That is down to him. you are a bloke who is always looks for blame, so put it where it is warranted, for once.
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Dud, delist. Seriously
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bollocks, Vickery has the tools, he just isn't interested in using them. This aint down to anyone but the man himself.
I disagree.
They both are poo & neither should never had been a 1st round selection.
hindsight is a wonderfull thing. Vickery was always going to be first round pick, whether with us or someone else.
where are your post at the time saying he would lose interest and play with no intensity?
Hey?
It's easy to defer blame for you emos, but this is all down to Vickery, himself.
So unless you can prove that you saw this coming at the time you are talking out your arse, again.
If he was a bloke getting everything out of himself I'd agree, but he isnt. He has the talent, we see glimpses, but he is not getting the best of himself.
That is down to him. you are a bloke who is always looks for blame, so put it where it is warranted, for once.
I'm not a player scout nor do I get paid to be nor do I head the recruiting for an AFL club.
These bozos get paid the big bucks to at a minimum get a 1st round pick right.
Vickery is clumsy, has no awareness, cant kick or handball cleanly to a team mate and unlike Jack, he is a very dumb footballer with no football brain.
If you are correct and he is blessed with all the talent to succeed why is it he has no idea where to run to? Why is it that he struggles with the basic skills most times? Why is it he's such a dud?
We should of traded him away when I said to years ago.
Now its too late because everyone (but you) knows hes a dud.
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because he doesnt care.
clearly it something that has surfaced in recent times.
do you really think he would have been touted as a top ten pick if the recruiters thought he didnt care at the the time?
FMD.
That is something no one could predict when he was drafted.
why are you so keen to shift the blame from the individual to somoeone else? Is this a Christian thing?
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You have to cut him some slack for the fact that he has a terrible coach tactically who puts him up against it every week.
The team also does key forwards no favours in both speed and quality of ball movement.
He does do plenty off the ball which I like, not sure why he didn't seem to ruck as much to day while Griffiths did it.
I always think Vickery starts the game once he rucks and then after that becomes a more effective forward.
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Needs to watch Petrie and how he plays. Marking is a massive problem :wallywink
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it's simple really.
Go hard, or go home.
Vickery needs to go home.
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Needs to watch Petrie and how he plays. Marking is a massive problem :wallywink
Why? Petrie is not much better and had on impact on the game today after Astbury went onto him.
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because he doesnt care.
clearly it something that has surfaced in recent times.
do you really think he would have been touted as a top ten pick if the recruiters thought he didnt care at the the time?
FMD.
That is something no one could predict when he was drafted.
why are you so keen to shift the blame from the individual to somoeone else? Is this a Christian thing?
That's all good for the most part, except psychological testing has been in place since 2004.
So if Ty has gone off the rails mentally, as is apparent, there has to be shared blame on this.
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all well and good if this issue was right from the start. three years ago he played liked he gave a poo, now he doesnt. Not sure how any psychological testing could have predicted that would change? What was our phycological testing at the time. we seem to be a few years at least behind the pack in most things?
Not 100% sure it applies, but is it possible to predict who will and who wont suffer depression, of whatever degree?
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Mitch Clarke, Nathan Thompson, Wayne Schwass etc,, get my drift?
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all well and good if this issue was right from the start. three years ago he played liked he gave a poo, now he doesnt. Not sure how any psychological testing could have predicted that would change? What was our phycological testing at the time. we seem to be a few years at least behind the pack in most things?
Not 100% sure it applies, but is it possible to predict who will and who wont suffer depression, of whatever degree?
At the end of the day who cares. All the best, see you later and get the help you need. Have a family, eat well, enjoy life.
Absolute top 8 toxic by playing him. Needs to be peeed right orf
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His attirude of disinterest remunds me of Ottens, except Ottens was good. If Ty doesn't want ti be there pee him off BUT shouldn't the leadership group be into him? If he played for Sydney the players wouldn't cop him, Tigers do, what does that say about our Leadership group, pitiful signs really in that our players let him get away with substandard efforts.
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Needs to watch Petrie and how he plays. Marking is a massive problem :wallywink
Why? Petrie is not much better and had on impact on the game today after Astbury went onto him.
Not talking about today. Petrie is what I would like vickery to be over his career.
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all well and good if this issue was right from the start. three years ago he played liked he gave a poo, now he doesnt. Not sure how any psychological testing could have predicted that would change? What was our phycological testing at the time. we seem to be a few years at least behind the pack in most things?
Not 100% sure it applies, but is it possible to predict who will and who wont suffer depression, of whatever degree?
At the end of the day who cares. All the best, see you later and get the help you need. Have a family, eat well, enjoy life.
Absolute top 8 toxic by playing him. Needs to be peeed right orf
no disagreement there
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Give up, really!
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I think a move away from the club given his Old Man is boxing coach would benefit his mindset and hence his footy. He plays as if he knows he is going to play the next week so he doesn't give a stuff.
IMHO. A half fit Astbury and Griffiths are better than this disinterested sod.
Time to put the Vickery plan to bed and trade at the end of the year.
In hindsight last year was the go for either the Dogs or St Kilda to negotiate a trade for him whilst he had some real currency. Heck even Liam Jones and Jason Tutt ended up at Carlton.
As Donald Trump would say. Vickery you're fired.
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Hardwick in his presser reckons he didn't do his chances for rnd 1 any harm....
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We played our best footy last year without him. Reckon Hardwick is either being coy on Round 1 or he is as dumb as doggie doo. I'm hoping the former but I'm also unconvinced.
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when asked in the presser about playing both he & Griffiths he didn't say yes or elaborate it being possible. which normally he alludes to it being possible in some way. i reckon leave him out Rd 1 & it will make a statement
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His old man is a dud too. Delist!
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Hardwick in his presser reckons he didn't do his chances for rnd 1 any harm....
:facepalm :facepalm
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(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs23/f/2007/333/a/a/WTF_msn_emoticon_by_3DxM.gif)
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Buy him a dog and stuff him off.
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He s averages 6 possies a game in the three praccy matches, about 40% of what s req to break into side from where he left off
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FFS even Bojo can see it :banghead
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You have to wonder why Hardwick would say at the press conference that Vickery didn't do his chances any harm.
The only possible reason I can think of is not to crush Vickery's confidence. And if he's that bad that we can't give him honest appraisal, what the eff is the club doing?
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If we can see hes not performing then I think the coaches can do,What they say in public and what they do behind closed doors are probably completely different.Although Ty might need a public scolding to maybe get him to take notice
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FFS even Bojo can see it :banghead
That's pretty bad.
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Hardwick in his presser reckons he didn't do his chances for rnd 1 any harm....
Must have already been zero chance then. ;D
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When is rd one?
Funky little sissytahs
Nrl are like 3 or 4 games in.
Lol@AFL
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Thursday week
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Lol
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Not 100% sure it applies, but is it possible to predict who will and who wont suffer depression, of whatever degree?
Yes, you can. Family history of depression, socio economic factors, substance use, trauma, environment plus others can be indicators of increased risk of developing a mental illness.
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Bar the history side, that profiles basically everyone ^
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Griffiths is ahead of him.
IMO, he doesn't understand how to play forward.
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Bar the history side, that profiles basically everyone ^
No its not. Not everyone is dirt poor, lives with or has lived with abusive partners, been brought up by abusive or neglecting parents, have severe or enduring physical injuries etc.
Now, that you've embellished your point of view....
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If we can see hes not performing then I think the coaches can do,What they say in public and what they do behind closed doors are probably completely different.Although Ty might need a public scolding to maybe get him to take notice
Worked for Ellis it may work for Ty but I highly doubt it. Think TBR is the only one holding faith and I'm not sure why. Blaming the coach is a nice try but a good player with the right mind set would still make an impact when it's his turn to go and Vickery simply doesn't.
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Is the coach crap or is Vickery? Hmmm....six o' one I'd say....
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Browny whacks Cloke & Vickery in Couch debut
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
31 Mar 2015
Jonathan Brown took little time to settle in his debut show of On The Couch by critiquing a number of under-performing key forwards in the league.
The Brisbane great acknowledged it has never been harder to play as a key forward but that many are simply not producing enough for their team.
One of Richmond’s secondary targets up forward, Tyrone Vickery, was also on the agenda with Brown claiming he is simply not capable of living up to the expectations most have of him.
“They say Vickery is getting paid four hundred grand a year, and that’s probably the average wage for a starting key forward, and that’s what he is – an average league footballer,” declared Brown.
“Everyone thinks he’s going to be a superstar, he’s never going to be a superstar.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/browny-whacks-cloke-vickery-in-couch-debut
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Browny whacks Cloke & Vickery in Couch debut
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
31 Mar 2015
Jonathan Brown took little time to settle in his debut show of On The Couch by critiquing a number of under-performing key forwards in the league.
The Brisbane great acknowledged it has never been harder to play as a key forward but that many are simply not producing enough for their team.
One of Richmond’s secondary targets up forward, Tyrone Vickery, was also on the agenda with Brown claiming he is simply not capable of living up to the expectations most have of him.
“They say Vickery is getting paid four hundred grand a year, and that’s probably the average wage for a starting key forward, and that’s what he is – an average league footballer,” declared Brown.
“Everyone thinks he’s going to be a superstar, he’s never going to be a superstar.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/browny-whacks-cloke-vickery-in-couch-debut
whacks him my arse. hes just being honest, in fact hes being kind. to date vickery has rarely played at an average level being mostly poor.
what i dont get is the club knows this but has regularly season after season done very little to improve the list in this area. ffs they took mckenzie with pick 77 and probably as an after thought.
griffiths has not been any better as well. where has the backup plan been when it comes to the list.
you know if you cant judge your own players well enough you have no chance of improving anything.
its one thing to back em in but wherehas the contingency plan been just in case they dont come good. where is the pressure on their spots with similar types on the list there hasnt been any.
and lets be honest this has been going on since hardwick got there.
keep on saying it we are short on kpfs, tall fwds, kpds, tall defenders, and ruckmen. never mind that we lack in so many other areas.
imo and it has remained for many yrs now we just have to fix our recruiting and our list management.both areas are ordinary but hey thats not so bad for some, they think ordinary is okay because its improved from just plain awful.
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“Everyone thinks he’s going to be a superstar, he’s never going to be a superstar.”
Who's everyone???
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$400k/yeah?
FMD. F-M-absolutely-D.
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More like high 400's
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“Everyone thinks he’s going to be a superstar, he’s never going to be a superstar.”
Who's everyone???
Most Richmond people, coaches players etc lol
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$400k/yeah?
FMD. F-M-absolutely-D.
When is his contract up?
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When is his contract up?
Not soon enough ;D
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I wonder what dimmer thought of jono Browns comments about his pet?
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IS there a player going into this season, with more pressure to perform than this guy? Me thinks not and he knows it..
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
True. But he wasn't and a third round kid wouldn't be getting $400K+......
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
True. But he wasn't and a third round kid wouldn't be getting $400K+......
I reckon Browny nailed the comment about his salary. It's what an average KPF would be worth. His draft order now means nothing, if that's the reason he's still on our list then I'd happily join Dooks, Dio and Oxx on the dark side because misery loves company
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Misery, does love company.
You're right.
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
True. But he wasn't and a third round kid wouldn't be getting $400K+......
I reckon Browny nailed the comment about his salary. It's what an average KPF would be worth. His draft order now means nothing, if that's the reason he's still on our list then I'd happily join Dooks, Dio and Oxx on the dark side because misery loves company
The door is always open HRT. See you after our first bad loss
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
True. But he wasn't and a third round kid wouldn't be getting $400K+......
And if he was a 3rd round pick I doubt very much after 6-7 seasons he'd still be on the list .....
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
We need a like button on this forum. Exactly my thoughts.
Listening to the round table discussion on fox footy about us. Dermie suggested that we do away with the three talls and use Lids as a permanent lead up marking forward. He isn't as imperative to midfield these days. No reason he couldn't kick 50+ goals for us this year in that role.
Fwd line is tremendously more dangerous with Jack staying at home, Griffiths up around half Fwd, Lids inbetween. With Dusty and Cotch resting forward at various stages.
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
True. But he wasn't and a third round kid wouldn't be getting $400K+......
And if he was a 3rd round pick I doubt very much after 6-7 seasons he'd still be on the list .....
Exactly, if he was a 3rd round pick, he wouldn't have been gifted about 80 games and persevered with..
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
True. But he wasn't and a third round kid wouldn't be getting $400K+......
And if he was a 3rd round pick I doubt very much after 6-7 seasons he'd still be on the list .....
Exactly, if he was a 3rd round pick, he wouldn't have been gifted about 80 games and persevered with..
being gifted games is exactly what has ruined him.
to me he was a ruckman he should have spent the first 3 yrs in the magoos being developed in that role. instead a dearth of tall fwds meant we developed and played him in a role that hes just plain, well lets say average at. our problem here is list management and vickery to some degree is the scape goat for it.
personally ive long argued three talls is the way to go. most sides manage to do it.our trouble is the type of tall fwds we have and the dual roles they have. im dead set against playing just one tall in the fwd line when ivan goes for a break on the bench. that is what will happen when griffiths relieves him, structure goes out the window and riewoldt will be left one out again.i also think griffiths has struggled fwd but has done okay when given the freedom of the ruck.
ive had a holiday from the site my own fault, and have been away in victoria and sydney as well. i havent seen the last two nab games but i would be very tempted to throw young mckenzie in the deep end, we have to find a real good foil for jack if we are to go anywhere. play him keep structure and persevere for awhile regardless of performances.
supporters continually think its all about winning nothing can be further from the truth imo. we need to address list needs and develop even fast track players in roles we are deficient in.
we have too many deficiencies to be a challenger so imo development and getting games into younger blokes is the higher priority atm.
i said before the draft id be over the moon with a tall fwd set up like the following.
FF: #### - mccartin - griffiths 2nd ruck. mccartin is quality and its exactly this quality that we lack. griffiths is an ideal 2nd ruck give him more time in the ruck and rest him fwd. if we wish to change it down then rest him on the bench.
HF: Lamb - riewoldt - ####. lamb could play on a wing. but imo hes exactly the type of tall fwd we lack, he can play fwd can take a grab has good height has genuine pace and plays more like a flanker with good endurance. when developed will be a very difficult match up for any team.
if we had a small like rioli at their feet with another who has real pace and can defend as well as kick a goal then three talls is not a problem.
our structure suffers because of the type of talls we play, two dinosaurs in vickery and griffiths plus riewoldt who isnt exactly blessed with pace, and the lack of quick quality small/mediums magnifies the problem .
the galling part is this problem has been evident for how many yrs now. yet those in charge have done little to address the problems.or when they have tried they just keep on getting it wrong and place to few eggs in the one basket to rectify the problem.
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We wouldn't be having this discussion if he was a 3rd round pick.
True. But he wasn't and a third round kid wouldn't be getting $400K+......
And if he was a 3rd round pick I doubt very much after 6-7 seasons he'd still be on the list .....
I'm pretty sure he spent most of his time up forward as a junior, claw. So it was not unreasonable to play him as one.
Exactly, if he was a 3rd round pick, he wouldn't have been gifted about 80 games and persevered with..
being gifted games is exactly what has ruined him.
to me he was a ruckman he should have spent the first 3 yrs in the magoos being developed in that role. instead a dearth of tall fwds meant we developed and played him in a role that hes just plain, well lets say average at. our problem here is list management and vickery to some degree is the scape goat for it.
personally ive long argued three talls is the way to go. most sides manage to do it.our trouble is the type of tall fwds we have and the dual roles they have. im dead set against playing just one tall in the fwd line when ivan goes for a break on the bench. that is what will happen when griffiths relieves him, structure goes out the window and riewoldt will be left one out again.i also think griffiths has struggled fwd but has done okay when given the freedom of the ruck.
ive had a holiday from the site my own fault, and have been away in victoria and sydney as well. i havent seen the last two nab games but i would be very tempted to throw young mckenzie in the deep end, we have to find a real good foil for jack if we are to go anywhere. play him keep structure and persevere for awhile regardless of performances.
supporters continually think its all about winning nothing can be further from the truth imo. we need to address list needs and develop even fast track players in roles we are deficient in.
we have too many deficiencies to be a challenger so imo development and getting games into younger blokes is the higher priority atm.
i said before the draft id be over the moon with a tall fwd set up like the following.
FF: #### - mccartin - griffiths 2nd ruck. mccartin is quality and its exactly this quality that we lack. griffiths is an ideal 2nd ruck give him more time in the ruck and rest him fwd. if we wish to change it down then rest him on the bench.
HF: Lamb - riewoldt - ####. lamb could play on a wing. but imo hes exactly the type of tall fwd we lack, he can play fwd can take a grab has good height has genuine pace and plays more like a flanker with good endurance. when developed will be a very difficult match up for any team.
if we had a small like rioli at their feet with another who has real pace and can defend as well as kick a goal then three talls is not a problem.
our structure suffers because of the type of talls we play, two dinosaurs in vickery and griffiths plus riewoldt who isnt exactly blessed with pace, and the lack of quick quality small/mediums magnifies the problem .
the galling part is this problem has been evident for how many yrs now. yet those in charge have done little to address the problems.or when they have tried they just keep on getting it wrong and place to few eggs in the one basket to rectify the problem.
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if we had a small like rioli at their feet with another who has real pace and can defend as well as kick a goal then three talls is not a problem.
our structure suffers because of the type of talls we play, two dinosaurs in vickery and griffiths plus riewoldt who isnt exactly blessed with pace, and the lack of quick quality small/mediums magnifies the problem .
the galling part is this problem has been evident for how many yrs now. yet those in charge have done little to address the problems.or when they have tried they just keep on getting it wrong and place to few eggs in the one basket to rectify the problem.
The even more galling part is that we have recruited Lambert as the quick, quality small who is experienced and we continue to select the slow, mediocre Newman and Morris.
Claw, we really have a lot of quick smalls after the last draft (Butler, Short, Lambert even Ellis, Menadue and Drummond) but Dimma has to select them.
Dimma has already nominated Lambert as the 2015 Shane Tuck medallist after he gave it to Miles last year.
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This is the part where Ty goes back to the VFL and kicks 8 and dominates.
Will it happen though, it hasn't before.
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This is the part where Ty goes back to the VFL and kicks a couple of junk time goals after walking around thinking he's too good for the VFL.
Will it happen though, it's happened before.
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This is the part where Ty goes back to the VFL and kicks a couple of junk time goals after walking around thinking he's too good for the VFL.
Will it happen though, it's happened before.
thats probably right, but it likely will be assited by the fact griffiths will as usual do little and there is no other options bar a first yr kpf in mckenzie and the match stick mcbean.
its a list managment problem its been a list management problem for yrs now.
if we had other decent options maybe vickery wouldnt have played half the games hes played.
people still cant grasp the fact, no choose to ignore the fact that we have very limited options when it comes to tall fwds, rucks and tall defenders. god forbid we lose jack rance and ivan at the one time people will really see how rancid the stocks in each area are then.
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I think people are well aware that we have no one else. If Vickery was just not up to it but trying his heart out I'm sure they would not complain but the fact is he just doesn't apply himself and that's why despite of the options he doesn't deserve a game.
Throw in the fact that while Vickery is thinking about what cat he's going to buy with his match payment we have a scrawny kid in McBean who may not be up to it right now but is at least applying himself and kicking multiple goals in the VFL. Forget the exact stats but he's been top 2 in the goal kicking the past 2 years. Say what you want about his size but at least he's applying himself FFS
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ben brown
j Daniher
Is mcbean that far behind those 2 blokes at the same stage of the same age??
I doubt it. I could never understand how Mcbean was never tried ahead of blokes like Vickery and Griffiths when they were struggling
We are bereft of quality forwards last time i checked, and would love to get some games into this kid.
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ben brown
j Daniher
Is mcbean that far behind those 2 blokes at the same stage of the same age??
I doubt it. I could never understand how Mcbean was never tried ahead of blokes like Vickery and Griffiths when they were struggling
We are bereft of quality forwards last time i checked, and would love to get some games into this kid.
I reckon he is a fair way back to be honest
Watched him very closley in his 2 NAB games and 2 things stood out to me
1/ his lack of intensity and being too reactive
2/ just not up with the pace of the game
throw in the defensive side of his game is practically no existent.
He'd get monstered at AFL level and then he'd end up getting whacked from pillar to post by supporters on forums like this one.
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ben brown
j Daniher
Is mcbean that far behind those 2 blokes at the same stage of the same age??
I doubt it. I could never understand how Mcbean was never tried ahead of blokes like Vickery and Griffiths when they were struggling
We are bereft of quality forwards last time i checked, and would love to get some games into this kid.
I reckon he is a fair way back to be honest
Watched him very closley in his 2 NAB games and 2 things stood out to me
1/ his lack of intensity and being too reactive
2/ just not up with the pace of the game
throw in the defensive side of his game is practically no existent.
He'd get monstered at AFL level and then he'd end up getting whacked from pillar to post by supporters on forums like this one.
+ 1 He has plenty of time does young Macca
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Mcbean is a second round pick. Who was the last decent second rounder FJ has picked up?
In 2008 he even managed to squander a first round pick 8 on a spud like Sideshow Bob.
List mumbler BH likes giving away prize 2nd round picks for the king of spuds and we still don't have a decent CHF, small forward or ruck backup.
$$$$$$$$$$ spent on mates that fail time after time but aren't held to account.
Solution; let's take a deficient back pocket battler & move him forward because it worked okay once.
Pathetic.
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Vickery will play and will kick 3
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ben brown
j Daniher
Is mcbean that far behind those 2 blokes at the same stage of the same age??
I doubt it. I could never understand how Mcbean was never tried ahead of blokes like Vickery and Griffiths when they were struggling
We are bereft of quality forwards last time i checked, and would love to get some games into this kid.
I reckon he is a fair way back to be honest
Watched him very closley in his 2 NAB games and 2 things stood out to me
1/ his lack of intensity and being too reactive
2/ just not up with the pace of the game
throw in the defensive side of his game is practically no existent.
He'd get monstered at AFL level and then he'd end up getting whacked from pillar to post by supporters on forums like this one.
Well having seen him about 20 or so times live in the VFL, I disagree and think he'd pick it up fairly quickly if given an extended run and not just the "McDonough/Arnot" treatment that young non-first rounders usually cop from Softwick. In fact I reckon he'd at least be surpassing Vickery's usual output after about half a dozen matches in a row, if not sooner.
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Mcbean is a second round pick. Who was the last decent second rounder FJ has picked up?
Reckon Rance although not a 2nd rounder (was priority at the end of round 1) is a reasonable pick up
Well having seen him about 20 or so times live in the VFL, I disagree and think he'd pick it up fairly quickly if given an extended run and not just the "McDonough/Arnot" treatment that young non-first rounders usually cop from Softwick. In fact I reckon he'd at least be surpassing Vickery's usual output after about half a dozen matches in a row, if not sooner.
I should have explained myself better. I've watched him play a number of VFL games as well but during this NAB cup I watched him closely to see if IMHO he was ready and I don't think he is. Still think he is a long way off. AT VFL yes he looks impressive but even at VFL (a) his defensive game is poor and (b) he goes missing a lot.
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Mcbean is a second round pick. Who was the last decent second rounder FJ has picked up?
Reckon Rance although not a 2nd rounder (was priority at the end of round 1) is a reasonable pick up
Well having seen him about 20 or so times live in the VFL, I disagree and think he'd pick it up fairly quickly if given an extended run and not just the "McDonough/Arnot" treatment that young non-first rounders usually cop from Softwick. In fact I reckon he'd at least be surpassing Vickery's usual output after about half a dozen matches in a row, if not sooner.
I should have explained myself better. I've watched him play a number of VFL games as well but during this NAB cup I watched him closely to see if IMHO he was ready and I don't think he is. Still think he is a long way off. AT VFL yes he looks impressive but even at VFL (a) his defensive game is poor and (b) he goes missing a lot.
Any more so than Vickery? I agree though needs more time in the VFL.
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The club and his teammates were pumping his wheels up preseason for what I seen nothing different in nab games lacks effort and intensity has the talent tho.Made the mistake not moving him on trade period he had value.
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The club and his teammates were pumping his wheels up preseason for what I seen nothing different in nab games lacks effort and intensity has the talent tho.Made the mistake not moving him on trade period he had value.
Yep
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Vickery will play and will kick 3
That could well happen hes regularly managed to kick cheap goals in the main. it has been the one and only saving grace for him. its all the other areas of the game you expect from a 200cm kpf that are just horrid.
i would happily take 1 goal a game from him if he did everything else well.
personally i would like to see him in the twos playing in the ruck permanently for the yr. it may well make him or it could break him either way we cant lose.
its simple give him some kpis that have to be met and he must do them consistently. what kpis do you put on a mobile around the ground ruckman or a kpf for that matter.
theres no excuses for him hes in his prime yrs he has the experience yet he struggles to do basics consistently well.
i dont really believe players suddenly go click though it has happened on rare occasions. in the main players have crept up on people with gradual improvement until they get to a point where they are vvery noticable, this has not happened with vickery at best hes stagnated and thats being kind imo.
my gripe is the way we run the list and the way we recruit, god knows ive been forced to complain about them for yrs. the vickery story will be a common theme for us if we dont address what we do wrong in what really is the two most important areas of any footy club.
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This is the part where Ty goes back to the VFL and kicks a couple of junk time goals after walking around thinking he's too good for the VFL.
Will it happen though, it's happened before.
thats probably right, but it likely will be assited by the fact griffiths will as usual do little and there is no other options bar a first yr kpf in mckenzie and the match stick mcbean.
its a list managment problem its been a list management problem for yrs now.
if we had other decent options maybe vickery wouldnt have played half the games hes played.
people still cant grasp the fact, no choose to ignore the fact that we have very limited options when it comes to tall fwds, rucks and tall defenders. god forbid we lose jack rance and ivan at the one time people will really see how rancid the stocks in each area are then.
You really were serious when you said you weren't watching towards the end of last season. Do you think that if you say things enough that they become facts? Griffiths was good towards the end of last year (and even at the start of the year). He teamed up well with Maric and the rotation of the two seemed to work well. You just seem to ignore that he took more marks than your "elite" Jack in our winning streak towards the end of the year. I understand some people don't like some players (In not a Vickery fan) but you just seem to dislike or think most of our players are not up to it.
I think they have made the right decision with Vickery, he needs to force his way into the team. That might take change of attitude by him for it to happen. The club and teammates have pumped him up all preseason but he hasn't responded with performances. Its time he earned his spot.
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think of the things we want from vickery as a kpf and just dont get em thus hurting the team overall. now think of what mcbean could bring to the team atm does he fix the kpf problem.
imo that is an emphatic no.
theres a lot of love for mcbean but everytime i see him i just scratch my head and think what the hell are people looking at. doesnt tick a lot of boxes for me.
personally id develop him in the back half imo thats his best chance of making it.
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Play him in the ruck.
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No way this guy could get a game this week. ...month.
Be interesting to see when it is that dimmer feels the umbilical chord pulling.
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who
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Betty Vickery
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ooh the bloke who got recruited due to his old man.
got it now
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I believe he could develop into a good ruckman
Needs to build his engine but can jump and is good for his size below his knees
What he and Hampson need is Marics and Griffs competive nature, the 1%ers are a must
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Maric wasnt that good when he was young
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U wanna cop another six years of his crap?
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U wanna cop another six years of his crap?
It would kill me.
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I believe he could develop into a good ruckman
Needs to build his engine but can jump and is good for his size below his knees
What he and Hampson need is Marics and Griffs competive nature, the 1%ers are a must
who
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Will play ruck in VFL practice match tomorrow
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I believe he could develop into a good ruckman
Needs to build his engine but can jump and is good for his size below his knees
What he and Hampson need is Marics and Griffs competive nature, the 1%ers are a must
lol griffiths competitive. sorry camboon im not taking the pee but griffiths ihas been anything but competetive.
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I believe he could develop into a good ruckman
Needs to build his engine but can jump and is good for his size below his knees
What he and Hampson need is Marics and Griffs competive nature, the 1%ers are a must
lol griffiths competitive. sorry camboon im not taking the pee but griffiths ihas been anything but competetive.
mate ... I do the negative poo on here but I admit compared to you I'm not in the same ballpark. Griff was pretty timid but last year and this year he is having a fair dinkum crack. He is going for marks, throwing himself at marking contests and he is getting a lot more of the footy.
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I believe he could develop into a good ruckman
Needs to build his engine but can jump and is good for his size below his knees
What he and Hampson need is Marics and Griffs competive nature, the 1%ers are a must
lol griffiths competitive. sorry camboon im not taking the pee but griffiths ihas been anything but competetive.
IMO Has always been competitive claw, he doesn't get much of the ball but the vast majority are either contested marks/possies, tackles and 1%ers. To me that shows a strong competitive nature, but poor conditioning (ie cant get free often enough to get cheapies)
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according to SEN he has suffered an injury playing for the reserves.
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Lasted 10 mins
Perhaps right knee
Looked disinterested from first bounce
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We can confirm Ty Vickery limped off in that quarter, we'll endeavor to give an update after the game.
https://twitter.com/RichmondVFL
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Nothing structural .bruisied knee
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Just heard a jarred knee but should be ok.
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SEN saying the club is reporting that Vickery has just jarred his knee. So they are reasonably positive about it for Ty.
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Can anyone confirm if he has jarred a knee
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Yes .knee bruised
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Can anyone confirm if he has jarred a knee
:lol
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Geez
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Can somebody kick him in the other knee?
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Lasted 10 mins
Perhaps right knee
Looked disinterested from first bounce
More of the same from him.
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I mean, it's no big loss to the side given the player, but we wouldn't be happy he's hurt........would we?
Surely not I'm thinking
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I mean, it's no big loss to the side given the player, but we wouldn't be happy he's hurt........would we?
Surely not I'm thinking
Of course not. ;D
His cat Rambo is the obvious replacement.
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Rambo will play permanent forward pocket
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I've got Rambo in my supercoach. Hoping for a big year
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Heard Dimma was happy with what he saw and once his knees right he's gonna be straight back into the seniors
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Tigers VFL coach Tim Clarke was hopeful Vickery’s injury would be minor.
"First thoughts, they [the club doctors] didn't think it was that bad, but we will have to wait and see until he gets scans," he told Fairfax Media.
"He'd been involved in two or three contests, but it was about 10 minutes into the first quarter, so there wasn't a huge amount of opportunity for him."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-04/tiger-ty-injured
RICHMOND is hopeful forward Ty Vickery has not suffered any structural damage to his knee, but will know more after scans today (Monday).
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/steele-sidebottom-to-miss-at-least-a-month-with-broken-thumb/story-fndv8g1a-1227292269578
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Good news for sore Tiger
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
April 6, 2015
TY VICKERY is expected to miss just one game with a knee injury after being cleared of serious structural damage.
The 24-year-old forward needed scans after hurting his knee in Richmond's VFL practice match on Saturday.
He limped off the field in the first quarter and didn't return.
Further examination since has revealed swelling and bruising around the joint but the ligaments are intact, meaning he should be available to play in round three of the AFL season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-06/good-news-for-sore-tiger
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Good news. If nothing else he will be able to work up some form in the 2s on his way back.
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He'll be like a new recruit
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He'll be like a new recruit
:shh
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Tyrone Vickery a symbol of what bedevils Richmond
Michael Gleeson
The Age
April 29, 2015
Tyrone Vickery will most likely be picked to play for Richmond this week. He kicked four in the VFL last week and Ben Griffiths is out injured.
No player is more emblematic of what bedevils Richmond than Vickery. No other player is more symptomatic of the hand-wringing quandary the Richmond board now confronts. Like Richmond, Vickery has reached a certain level and stalled or gone backwards.
Vickery is the early pick who has not become the player the club thought he would. He is a tall player in a club crying out for a second ruck and a second or third tall forward but he is down the pecking order. He is a player of some physical presence in a team lacking that and yet he has been in the VFL.
Was he a bad choice at the draft or a player not properly brought on by the club that chose him?
Thus the board wonders not only about Vickery but about the list and the coach: is it a club whose problems now best reside with the talent of its players or the talent of its coach?
The coach and essentially the same players won 12 games last year and 15 the year before. They lost 10 of 13 last year then won nine. Does this year condemn them or do the other seasons save them?
They made finals but did not win them. Was that the high-water mark for this team? This list of players has plainly been good enough and coached well enough to get to finals and if things were to go right might even be able to do so again, but is the list good enough to go further? Is the coach good enough to take them further?
A side that will look eagerly to the return of Troy Chaplin and Chris Newman to right a faltering season is not a side to threaten Fremantle, Hawthorn or Port Adelaide. It was a side good enough to beat Sydney last year but would it be one to do so again if Sydney had something to play for?
Brett Deledio does and will make a difference. In fact, he makes too big a difference and the reliance upon him becomes more acute with every loss.
Richmond remains like an African safari park where the focus is all on the Big Five – Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt and Rance – and the support acts lack interest. Lose one of the Big Five and they battle to cover. That might be true of other teams, but not other top teams. Hawthorn Sydney, Fremantle, Port can and do all lose key players, yet win.
In fact, other teams lose players in games and win. This week's sliding opponent Geelong as recently as a fortnight ago did it when their depleted team eclipsed the Suns. That was a Selwood-led win and Richmond has no Selwood even among their Big Five who will wins. Richmond was criticised for doing nothing in the last trade period, which is not entirely accurate. They were active; they just didn't complete deals.
Jack Trengove was over the line until a doctor's report halted the deal. Jason Winderlich toyed with changing sash and David Armitage was tempted, but Levi Greenwood was committed down Swan Street when the Tigers came calling.
They knew then what they know now – they need midfielders. They need new and more talented players to ensure they stop playing Shaun Grigg, Steven Morris and Nathan Gordon.
The Tigers admit they want a small forward. Actually they need a tall and a small forward. They also need a second ruck and at least one key back or even potentially two if Alex Rance decamps.
They still need run, pace and creativity. Is that a list problem or a coaching one? Have players with creativity lost their flair or was it never there?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/landing-a-forward-no-small-task-for-tigers-20150428-1mv3e1.html
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:sleep
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?? This ? Article? Has ? More ? Questions? Than ? A ? Two ? Year ? Old? And ? As ? Many ? Answers? Too?????
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Blame the rakes :rollin
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'We'll stick with Vickery', says Hardwick
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
May 2, 2015 6:52 PM
DAMIEN Hardwick has reaffirmed Ty Vickery's position in Richmond's best 22 and will consider pairing the forward with returning tall Ben Griffiths next week against North Melbourne.
Vickery played his first game of the season – and since round 18 last year – on Saturday against Geelong, with Griffiths out with a calf injury.
Despite Vickery only kicking 1.1 in the Tigers' nine-point loss, coach Damien Hardwick praised the forward’s competitiveness and aggression.
With Griffiths a chance to play next Saturday against the Kangaroos, Hardwick may consider using the two of them in the same set up – alongside Jack Riewoldt - after trialling such a setup seven times last year, mainly when Ivan Maric was out injured.
"I'd like to [play them together]. I think Ty gives us a different look. 'Griffo' is more mobile and Ty we prefer to be that ‘stay at home [forward]’, he's agile at ground level also," Hardwick said after Saturday's loss.
"Ty looked really good on the lead today, he's aggressive, he's assertive and when he's playing confident footy that's when we see the best of Ty Vickery, and I think today was a good step forward.
"He can get better again though. He's a really important player to us.
"I keep telling him and I know he realises how important he is to us - maybe it's too much pressure on him. He's best 22."
The Tigers were messy in front of goal, especially in the first quarter when they kicked just five behinds from 10 inside-50s, which was three more than the Cats had.
Hardwick rued the inaccuracy and wastefulness early on, which was also a feature of last week's loss to Melbourne.
Vickery had to overcome a simple dropped mark in the first quarter and a missed set shot early in the second to bring a level of competitiveness that pleased his coach.
"He kicked one, he missed two and dropped a mark," Hardwick said.
"I thought he competed pretty well overall."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-02/damien-hardwick-postmatch
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stuffin hell.
Competed pretty well hey Dimma? :huh
Is this prick trying to convince himself or us?
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Dimma must watch a different game to us
Vickery refuses to chase
Body language poor yesterday
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stuff me dumma, you are a dimwit
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I don't believe he is a right fit for us
but in the meantime could we try a forward line with vickery/some who wants to play afl at FF.
Griff at CHF
Jack as half forward
Maybe at full forward/ruck Vickery could kick goals close to the goal square and go into the middle whilst our ruck man rests forward.
Could potentially increase his trade value if he is not interested to play with us??
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Dimma vickery doesn't compete,he refuses to chase,create space.To me he appears to do nothing team oriented
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We have an abundance of issues at the moment but Dimma's comments regarding Ty might be the most concerning. How can an AFL coach be encouraged by Ty's performance today? He was uncompetitive and a large reason why our forward line was impotent.
I think Dimma has deluded himself because of the importance of having 3 talls up front but quite simply Ty is not the answer.
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Touché. I read today that "We'll stick with Vickery" says Hardwick. How could he. I was at the game. Vickery "running" to pick up opposition players was a joke. Maybe meandering? Vickery leading and taking a mark "out in front"? No way, he plays for the chest mark like the true dull amateur he is. That continuous lack of effort must deflate those around him. It certainly undermines the confidence of some supporters who see Hardwick's support a cop out and indicative of a soft coach who does not demand attitunl change.
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His kicking for a goal is a real concern.
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Also doesn't seem to have developed physically over the years. Would have hoped he'd be a monster by now. Anyone have Dank's phone number?
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He loves the easy chest mark but his absolute favourite is:-
the cheap 2 on 1, leaves his man, receives a handball over the back/pack spill and kicks truly from 0m out
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We have an abundance of issues at the moment but Dimma's comments regarding Ty might be the most concerning. How can an AFL coach be encouraged by Ty's performance today?
Just on this, I was out yesterday arvo at a function and got talking to a fellow Richmond supporter. It was around half time and we were both aware of the score.
I asked him if we lose and Vickery does stuff all, what will Hardwick say. This guys exact words were "oh look, we thought he competed well"
The spin is so predictable.
Competing is for losers Damien. Winning is for winners.
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Let's judge Vickery when he plays under a coach where all of the forwards don't stagnate, underachieve or go backwards.
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our forward line don't work because of the way the ball is delivered to them. The midfield constantly messes up & are continuely chasing butt & exhausted because of it. Hardwick needs to put Vickery at FF or CHF with Griffiths whichever way works. Rewoldt struggles to kick 45 metres these days so with his ability to run would be more benefit around the HFF. Our players are so exhausted from the back line to midfield that they don't have the energy to kick vital goals. No scoreboard pressure keeps any opposition team always in the game or kicking goals. We are chasers & until our skill level is fixed we are losers
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I think we need to persevere with Tyrone for this year anyway.
He needs to be sat down and look at what Brodie Grundy is doing at Collingwood. They are very similar size, body type and athletic ability. . Gundy in his second year of AFL footy just jumps at every bounce, tries to get in front in every throw in giving him the best chance to get his hands on the ball first and tries to help out around the ground when he can. He is not doing anything special just doing the simple things that ANY ruckman shoud do, well.
Big Tyrone is better than he is producing at present. He is a reasonable mark and kick, moves ok and pretty good when the ball is on the ground. He just needs to be instructed to jump all day long, no more run in, stop, walk around the ruckman and try and tap it to our advantage.. Just run in, jump, put your knee into the other ruckman and KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.
IMO he needs more time in the ruck, we have tended to try and protect him but he just needs to crack in and complete, he is not a boy anymore.
Collingwood have done that with Grundy and he has done really well.
Time to give big Tyrone some responsibility.
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I think we need to persevere with Tyrone for this year anyway.
He needs to be sat down and look at what Brodie Grundy is doing at Collingwood. They are very similar size, body type and athletic ability. . Gundy in his second year of AFL footy just jumps at every bounce, tries to get in front in every throw in giving him the best chance to get his hands on the ball first and tries to help out around the ground when he can. He is not doing anything special just doing the simple things that ANY ruckman shoud do, well.
Big Tyrone is better than he is producing at present. He is a reasonable mark and kick, moves ok and pretty good when the ball is on the ground. He just needs to be instructed to jump all day long, no more run in, stop, walk around the ruckman and try and tap it to our advantage.. Just run in, jump, put your knee into the other ruckman and KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.
IMO he needs more time in the ruck, we have tended to try and protect him but he just needs to crack in and complete, he is not a boy anymore.
Collingwood have done that with Grundy and he has done really well.
Time to give big Tyrone some responsibility.
100% agree!
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I think we need to persevere with Tyrone for this year anyway.
He needs to be sat down and look at what Brodie Grundy is doing at Collingwood. They are very similar size, body type and athletic ability. . Gundy in his second year of AFL footy just jumps at every bounce, tries to get in front in every throw in giving him the best chance to get his hands on the ball first and tries to help out around the ground when he can. He is not doing anything special just doing the simple things that ANY ruckman shoud do, well.
Big Tyrone is better than he is producing at present. He is a reasonable mark and kick, moves ok and pretty good when the ball is on the ground. He just needs to be instructed to jump all day long, no more run in, stop, walk around the ruckman and try and tap it to our advantage.. Just run in, jump, put your knee into the other ruckman and KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.
IMO he needs more time in the ruck, we have tended to try and protect him but he just needs to crack in and complete, he is not a boy anymore.
Collingwood have done that with Grundy and he has done really well.
Time to give big Tyrone some responsibility.
He doesn't have what's required upstairs unfortunately. I'm not a big Grundy fan but he's never had any problem with body contact and doing hard things. I've tried to be glass half full with Ty because he does have some attributes which are handy for a tall but he doesn't possess the drive or desire required to be an above average AFL player.
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I think we need to persevere with Tyrone for this year anyway.
He needs to be sat down and look at what Brodie Grundy is doing at Collingwood. They are very similar size, body type and athletic ability. . Gundy in his second year of AFL footy just jumps at every bounce, tries to get in front in every throw in giving him the best chance to get his hands on the ball first and tries to help out around the ground when he can. He is not doing anything special just doing the simple things that ANY ruckman shoud do, well.
Big Tyrone is better than he is producing at present. He is a reasonable mark and kick, moves ok and pretty good when the ball is on the ground. He just needs to be instructed to jump all day long, no more run in, stop, walk around the ruckman and try and tap it to our advantage.. Just run in, jump, put your knee into the other ruckman and KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.
IMO he needs more time in the ruck, we have tended to try and protect him but he just needs to crack in and complete, he is not a boy anymore.
Collingwood have done that with Grundy and he has done really well.
Time to give big Tyrone some responsibility.
At the moment, he just doesn't look like he is AFL standard. Whether that is because he is devoid of confidence or has other mental issues, he just doesn't look right. You can be very biassed big tone. If this was Griffiths, you would be calling for his head and saying he should never play again despite him being younger and with less games under his belt. Most unbiassed observers would say Griffiths now is so far ahead of Vickery, it isn't even a contest. I really want BOTH to succeed as that is the only way we can get better.
On another note, I want the team to fast track big Reece because he is potentially better than both as a forward. Of course we should tell him that we will support the kid and not drop him instantly as he also has had mental demons in the past which we never want flared up. As my sig says, play the kids. We may go backwards but at least they may take us further forwards than many of the current group.
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Y&B I'm beginning to think those mental issues you mention might infect the whole joint.I understand and agree about playing youngsters but it might be just a case of shifting the deck chairs on the titanic
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His kicking for a goal is a real concern.
If only that was his only flaw....
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Lost in the ruck to Walker. The dud is useless. It's all mental with him but not confidence. I think the issue is he thinks his poo don't stink.
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Sideshow Bob is happy with his $$$$ whilst he enjoys free study at university.
Playing the system like a violin.
He's worked it out and he's content with his lot.
But unfortunately for us, all the psychological testing at draft time inadvertently was bypassed & clouded by the fact his old man works at the club.
He's enjoying the easy ride that is the RFC charity & the club has fallen for it hook line & sinker. :clapping :clapping :clapping
:gotigers
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Sideshow Bob is happy with his $$$$ whilst he enjoys free study at university.
Playing the system like a violin.
He's worked it out and he's content with his lot.
But unfortunately for us, all the psychological testing at draft time inadvertently was bypassed & clouded by the fact his old man works at the club.
He's enjoying the easy ride that is the RFC charity & the club has fallen for it hook line & sinker. :clapping :clapping :clapping
:gotigers
Reckon your 100% right
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perhaps if the useless idiot had tp perform at vfl for more than one week things may be different.
having a big bodied forward that just flies for everything, crashing packs and ensuring the ball comes to ground while making sure the opposition backs feel his physical presence, must not be something Hardwick desires
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Sideshow Bob is happy with his $$$$ whilst he enjoys free study at university.
Playing the system like a violin.
He's worked it out and he's content with his lot.
But unfortunately for us, all the psychological testing at draft time inadvertently was bypassed & clouded by the fact his old man works at the club.
He's enjoying the easy ride that is the RFC charity & the club has fallen for it hook line & sinker. :clapping :clapping :clapping
:gotigers
Reckon your 100% right
agree
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To say Tyrone is "best 22" after what he dished up yesterday is nothing short of the most idiotic, deluded comment I've heard from the RFC senior coach in his 6 years. Seems to the week for it from Dimma
Actually comments like that are IMHO part of the reason why Tyrone is he player he is.
He has been gifted so many games when they weren't warranted. He's had his ego stroked time and time again with the comments about how important he is to the team and now "best 22" that he hasn't had to earn the right to have those comments made.
Instead he has been allowed to go through the motions and now we have what we see week after week a bloke who will give 10 minute cameos (see qtr 2 yesterday) and then offer nothing for the remaining 100+ minutes.
The Club has reaped what they've sowed here and they don't seem to be prepared to do the right thing and cut their losses
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I say again, Tyrone needs to be judged when he plays under a coach who can create a decent forward structure.
At halftime yesterday this side had 3 goals in its last 4 quarters.
Riewoldt is going backwards and every small forward we touch turns to potato.
Locket, Dunstall and Ablett Snr wouldn't kick goals under Hardwick.
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my biggest criticism is his physical presence. nothing to do with structures, but him throwing his weight around and making backmen know hes about.
he plays like he doesnt give a stuff
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All about confidence.
He used to be one of the more physical members of the side, was always smashing into every opposition player who walked past him and laying heavy blocks for Riewoldt.
Hardwick has sapped the confidence out of all of the forwards. Riewoldt and Vickery are shadows of a few years ago.
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All about confidence.
He used to be one of the more physical members of the side, was always smashing into every opposition player who walked past him and laying heavy blocks for Riewoldt.
Hardwick has sapped the confidence out of all of the forwards. Riewoldt and Vickery are shadows of a few years ago.
I would be so stuffing embarrassed to lay the blame of the short comings of my football game on the coach.
I mean really come on
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Did you watch the game Saturday Chuck?
Hardwick allowed Scott to set up as he wanted, with Harry Taylor and Enright both practically playing as loose men in defence (One free and one with Lennon who they paid scant regard to).
Hardwick just let it go. Didn't match up the extra, change the Lennon match-up to make them accountable, nothing.
How the hell could any forward feel good out there, let alone one coming back into the side who is already battling confidence issues and has Richmond morons baying for him every time he makes a mistake.
The kid is living a football nightmare.
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Jack at least gives effort. Despite the footy life being sucked out of him.
Tyrone doesn't.
What Vickery dished up yesterday as he has done many times before was unacceptable. If he had pride in his performance despite coaching shortcomings and yes we acknowledge there are many he would still perform his basic on field task of chasing, harassing, competing etc which he clearly doesn't either want to do out of desire or feel it is his not his obligation to perform. So therein lies the personal problem with him.
A teacher at school you hate means its ok as a student not to perform because you don't see eye to eye or you feel he/she may be below par or same with a work superior you feel the same way about so its okay not to do your job? Does not work that way unfortunantely.
That's the problem with RFC and to a large degree modern society. We are eager or find it is easy to point fingers and make excuses or lay blame yet take no individual responsibility for performance and outcome in a result driven business or worse still sugar coat a result or the blame in the hope nobody asks a hard question that makes us feel uncomfortable which is worse.
Yet Dimma talks about him making progress. Ludicrous.
Vickery can't or won't do the basics. That's an individual issue because if he couldn't do them he wouldn't be on an AFL list to begin with.
Players have to shoulder alot of the blame too. Did Dimma make him drop the mark he had 3 bites of in the first when he had a metre on his direct opponent plus the ball was kicked to his advantage giving his opponent no chance of spoiling. Please. As I said Dimma has huge faults in his structures but Vickery dropping that was Vickery and Vickery alone as are the half arsed chases and token arms stuck out faking a tackle.
Dimma should shoulder the blame for his constant selection week in and out.
Vickery deserves the wrath of the fans for underperforming on the basics of the game.
If he at least made an effort maybe as a supporter group we'd be more forgiving.
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Did you watch the game Saturday Chuck?
Hardwick allowed Scott to set up as he wanted, with Harry Taylor and Enright both practically playing as loose men in defence (One free and one with Lennon who they paid scant regard to).
Hardwick just let it go. Didn't match up the extra, change the Lennon match-up to make them accountable, nothing.
How the hell could any forward feel good out there, let alone one coming back into the side who is already battling confidence issues and has Richmond morons baying for him every time he makes a mistake.
The kid is living a football nightmare.
Jack still performed well its called pride in performance. Vickery has no pride.
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Jack had just a game on Saturday.
And you are comparing a two-time coleman medalist who has played twice the number of games.
Of course he will handle the forward line debacle better than Vickery.
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Just keep making excuses for him
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Jack had just a game on Saturday.
And you are comparing a two-time coleman medalist who has played twice the number of games.
Of course he will handle the forward line debacle better than Vickery.
You cross that white line.
Pride in performance has nothing to do with games played.
You either have it or don't whether you have played 1 game or 300.
Comparing Vickery's ineptness and making excuses for it compared to Jack who has some individual awards, yet both play in the same sterile forward line is hardly endosing or doing Vickery any favours when it comes to his performance. Vickery is a failure plain and simple. Nothing more.
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Give him a chance under Bomber and see how he goes.
Ottens was a much better played under Bomber and a similar type at Richmond.
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Garbage he had a great year in 2001 with Richo as the two tall forwards.
A good footy player with pride in his on field performance will give his all regardless of the coach, his
structures/gameplan, his club or his culture.
Vickery has no pride in his performance and as a result is simply not cut out for AFL footy at this level.
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Let's deal with facts.
Vickery had a good year in 2011 (36 goals), was injured in 2012 (7 goals 9 games) and had an ok year in 2013 (27 goals).
He still managed 23 last year from 12 games.
Second (twice) and third in our goal kicking in those 3 years.
Ottens kicked 46 in 2001 (Second in goalkicking), 27 in 2002 (2nd), only 10 games (12 goals) in 2003, and 16 from 18 games in 2004 (4th) before being traded.
Not a huge amount between them.
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Let's deal with facts.
Vickery had a good year in 2011 (36 goals), was injured in 2012 (7 goals 9 games) and had an ok year in 2013 (27 goals).
He still managed 23 last year from 12 games.
Second (twice) and third in our goal kicking in those 3 years.
Ottens kicked 46 in 2001 (Second in goalkicking), 27 in 2002 (2nd), only 10 games (12 goals) in 2003, and 16 from 18 games in 2004 (4th) before being traded.
Not a huge amount between them.
LMAO
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Let's deal with facts.
Vickery had a good year in 2011 (36 goals), was injured in 2012 (7 goals 9 games) and had an ok year in 2013 (27 goals).
He still managed 23 last year from 12 games.
Second (twice) and third in our goal kicking in those 3 years.
Ottens kicked 46 in 2001 (Second in goalkicking), 27 in 2002 (2nd), only 10 games (12 goals) in 2003, and 16 from 18 games in 2004 (4th) before being traded.
Not a huge amount between them.
Ok TBR.
Ottens was a better ruckman TBR. Didn't have his old man at the club as a boxing coach either.
Whilst Vickery hasn't had the same off field misdemeanours as Ottens did, Ottens had an upside where was at least competitive on the field bar for latish to late 2004 IMHO when it became obvious he was not going to stay despite the future change in coach.
Furthermore Spud suspended him for his misdemeanours. As I have said Vickery off field has not caused trouble or none that I can think of but Dimma seems to have put a protective cone around him despite his on field ineptitude and he seems to ignore it.
Sadly like Spud, Dimma will exit in the same awful way but you reap what you sow. That's for another thread to be discussed passionately.
If and its a big if IMHO a new coach comes to Punt Rd/ or he finds himself elsewhere and he performs to a required standard then again I feel the slur is on him not Dimma as others perform adequately under the same regime despite its shortcomings and we all know the team is bigger than any one individual in the team. Your job is to play, should it matter who the coach is? There is that moral obligation to think of. For all intents Rance may walk out on the club later in the year but can Vickery look Rance in the eye and say he tried like Rance did? Or any one of his teammates out there who bust their gut? Surely not. Coach or not that argument you give with Ottens and Bomber does not stack up but I'll appease you. ;D
I'll also mention we have been critical of Dimma bringing up stats in his post match pressers despite our losses to give our performance a shine but even Ottens stats can tend to deceive. He was a sought after commodity. Was a pick 2 I believe. I somehow don't think Vickery would somehow generate the same interest as Ottens did which suggests to me Ottens wad a far far more better player than Vickery who for me is taking up a spot in the side for an Elton given the number of times he has failed on the big stage. Too many to count. Yet before you tell me Ottens was a naturally more gifted footballer and therefore we need to give Vickery the benefit of the doubt but is this argument that Vickery needs to look at and why he should work harder at trying to nail his position during a game to silence his critics rather than having an under fire coach use him to sugar coat his own misgivings.
I'll also add to that Ottens first played in 1998 and at the end of 2004 departed for Geelong.
Vickery first played in 2009 and post season last year I know that he was shopped around as a potential trade but no buyer come forward which suggests to me the industry feels he is not up to the required level. At the end of this season he will be at the stage of his footy life when Ottens left to go to Geelong yet somehow I feel that Ty's on field flaws will ensure he stays with us or worse still for him personally signal the end of his AFL career.
Unfortunantely for Ty the facts and time are stacking up against him and his career at the top level.
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...but can Vickery look Rance in the eye and say he tried like Rance did?
nothing else needs to be said on the matter.
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Hopefully we have seen the last of him
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Hopefully we have seen the last of him
This
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Would take something pretty extraordinary to turn around his career from here.
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Hopefully we have seen the last of him
This
X3
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Would take something pretty extraordinary to turn around his career from here.
yes a coach that wasn't always cupping his ball's. That and an immune booster for tigeritis
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Would take something pretty extraordinary to turn around his career from here.
yes a coach that wasn't always cupping his ball's. That and an immune booster for tigeritis
:lol :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Develop him as a ruckman and build his engine
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I'd trade him for any kid playing Auskick at half time this weekend.
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Develop him as a ruckman and build his engine
Could be his saving grace but chances are it won't happen
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Develop him as a ruckman and build his engine
I would love to see the club have done this in the past. My fear is he is past Richmond and needs a new home :(
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does anyone think maybe its got something to do with his coach, and the stupid decision to keep his old man on the payroll.
Who has actually improved since hardwick was hired. You will find not many at all.
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Who is ultimately to blame if a player doesn't develop well enough?
The coach?
The development coaches?
The senior development coach?
The player?
Maybe this bloke just isn't up to it. Personally I think he is talent wise - just doesn't have it between the ears.
And he'll never be a top ruckman IMO. Doesn't have the strength in the hips/legs to be a powerful ruck. Not quite agile/athletic enough (although this is one of his strong points) to be a Paddy Ryder type lean ruckman.
Could have been a solid ruck/KPF hybrid but as I said, not enough between the ears.
Trade if possible...
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I would say Benny G, Rance, and Edwards have improved since Hardwick was appointed. But that's about it. Everyone else has either stagnated or actually have gotten worse.
Vlastuin hasn't improved much from year one (although the HB general is a hard position to master), Cotchin had that 2012 year we all speak of but maybe that has more to do with him finally getting his body right as opposed to great coaching.
Milo seems to be having '2nd year' blues.
But the most unforgivable acts for me is how he's handled Riewoldt, and Tuck. It's been talked about at lengths before so I won't elaborate further.
But back to Vickery, I think we have to accept this guy is the Colin Sylvia of our team and unless we get Dr. Phil or somebody to make him give a poo about crashing the packs and working hard for his team mates he will always be the forward which will expect it to be kicked over his head so he can run onto the ball uncontested.
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Make him Captain.
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I'd trade him for any kid playing Auskick at half time this weekend.
Boy or girl?
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Make him Captain.
Captain-Coach. It's about time the league had another one....been far too long....
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TV was pretty good today! Snagged a few goals & gave us a good boost in the ruck during the second quarter. His efforts at centre bounces got us back into the game, well done today Ty! :clapping
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Needs to move forward with that now.
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Needs to move forward with that now.
God no. RUCK, RUCK, Ruck, don't even mention forward. :snidegrin
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For someone who has such a unconvincing approach he's actually a very good kick for goal. A much improved effort. I won't get my hopes up but deserves to play next week based on that effort. Maric certainly benefits from the more extended chop outs.
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For someone who has such a unconvincing approach he's actually a very good kick for goal. A much improved effort. I won't get my hopes up but deserves to play next week based on that effort. Maric certainly benefits from the more extended chop outs.
I think he is a better ruck than Griff but prefer Griff's marking around the ground. We need them to believe that they both belong in the team together and have them kicking the ball to each other rather than feel that they are competing for the same spot.
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For someone who has such a unconvincing approach he's actually a very good kick for goal. A much improved effort. I won't get my hopes up but deserves to play next week based on that effort. Maric certainly benefits from the more extended chop outs.
I think he is a better ruck than Griff but prefer Griff's marking around the ground. We need them to believe that they both belong in the team together and have them kicking the ball to each other rather than feel that they are competing for the same spot.
Sorry Y&B but TV played a game today that your man has never done. He was sensational today and was IMO almost the difference between the two sides. Say what you like about the two but until your man actually makes a difference he is still only a guy that takes a big mark. I was super impressed with Tyrone today.
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For someone who has such a unconvincing approach he's actually a very good kick for goal. A much improved effort. I won't get my hopes up but deserves to play next week based on that effort. Maric certainly benefits from the more extended chop outs.
I think he is a better ruck than Griff but prefer Griff's marking around the ground. We need them to believe that they both belong in the team together and have them kicking the ball to each other rather than feel that they are competing for the same spot.
Sorry Y&B but TV played a game today that your man has never done. He was sensational today and was IMO almost the difference between the two sides. Say what you like about the two but until your man actually makes a difference he is still only a guy that takes a big mark. I was super impressed with Tyrone today.
Sensational???????
I would have thought that is the MINIMUM he should be producing each week. His first goal was a cheap duck out the back for a Riewoldt pass, his trade mark. His last goal was good but he should have looked back immediately after marking the ball as there was a Richmond player all on his own running into goal. Had he missed the shot he would have been shot by all the spectators around me including myself. Funny you set such low standards for Tyrone to make the "sensational" grade. I just wished you were consistent with your standards across all players.
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Some of his best play was whilst in the ruck , weaved thru traffic with ease at times and gave off a precision pass that was champagne football :cheers
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For someone who has such a unconvincing approach he's actually a very good kick for goal. A much improved effort. I won't get my hopes up but deserves to play next week based on that effort. Maric certainly benefits from the more extended chop outs.
I think he is a better ruck than Griff but prefer Griff's marking around the ground. We need them to believe that they both belong in the team together and have them kicking the ball to each other rather than feel that they are competing for the same spot.
Sorry Y&B but TV played a game today that your man has never done. He was sensational today and was IMO almost the difference between the two sides. Say what you like about the two but until your man actually makes a difference he is still only a guy that takes a big mark. I was super impressed with Tyrone today.
Sensational???????
I would have thought that is the MINIMUM he should be producing each week. His first goal was a cheap duck out the back for a Riewoldt pass, his trade mark. His last goal was good but he should have looked back immediately after marking the ball as there was a Richmond player all on his own running into goal. Had he missed the shot he would have been shot by all the spectators around me including myself. Funny you set such low standards for Tyrone to make the "sensational" grade. I just wished you were consistent with your standards across all players.
Watch the game again mate!
Get a clue! I'm trying to be respectful but you make it nearly impossible.
You sound like a guy that looks at stats to see who played well.
I'm not trying to disagree with you on purpose but FMD you have NFI IMO if you don't think he played well today.
Tyrone was better today than any game your man Griff has played in a Tigers jumper.
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Was good today, kicked some big goals. I'm more of a Griff fan than TV but if you had Ty or Griff kicking for goal I reckon I'd prefer Ty. Think Ty's best is better than Benny G's, sad to admit because I want Benny G to make it really bad. He probably has higher potential but currently Ty's best is better than Griffs.
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There is clearly room for both Griffiths and Vickery in the team. I think that Griffiths is more talented than Vickery but having said that Vickery's mobility and kicking are real strong points. Played a good game yesterday.
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Vickery is a superior kick. Probably better ruck.
Griffiths is better on the lead and better at taking grabs.
Realistically we need to play them both with Maric and Riewoldt until we decide what to do with McBean. Maric needs a chop out and Jack needs backup. Can't leave either undermanned.
Otherwise could we develop Vickery as a ruck and play Griff+Jack+Bean together as KPF's?
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For someone who has such a unconvincing approach he's actually a very good kick for goal. A much improved effort. I won't get my hopes up but deserves to play next week based on that effort. Maric certainly benefits from the more extended chop outs.
I think he is a better ruck than Griff but prefer Griff's marking around the ground. We need them to believe that they both belong in the team together and have them kicking the ball to each other rather than feel that they are competing for the same spot.
Sorry Y&B but TV played a game today that your man has never done. He was sensational today and was IMO almost the difference between the two sides. Say what you like about the two but until your man actually makes a difference he is still only a guy that takes a big mark. I was super impressed with Tyrone today.
Sensational???????
I would have thought that is the MINIMUM he should be producing each week. His first goal was a cheap duck out the back for a Riewoldt pass, his trade mark. His last goal was good but he should have looked back immediately after marking the ball as there was a Richmond player all on his own running into goal. Had he missed the shot he would have been shot by all the spectators around me including myself. Funny you set such low standards for Tyrone to make the "sensational" grade. I just wished you were consistent with your standards across all players.
I agree with Y & B about his game not being sensational. It that kind of effort we need from him as a good/average game each week with the occasional sensational game in between (5 goals plus with some contested marks).
However, I thought it was great that Ty turned his back on the kick over the top, which can have an element of risk attached to it, and taking it upon himself to have the set shot.
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I thought Tybone was effective yesterday - made the most of his chances. I also felt he worked harder which was encouraging.
I loved him taking responsibility for kicking that last goal - more please. We need Key Forwards stepping up and kicking the getable goals - even if there was a better option over the top. The handball that Jack stuffed up vs Geelong a couple of weeks ago was a symptom of a forward being coached to absolve himself to the responsibility of kicking goals which is a paradox
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does sensational have different meanings for different players it is applied to?
Cotchin - sensational
deledio - arguably sensational
Then way down the list
Vickery - better than what he has dished up but still plays without real fire and intent, particularly when up forward. solid to good game
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I thought Vickery was sensationally adequate.
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Thought Ty was good. He played his role and gave Ivan a much needed chop out but having a 3rd tall meant that we didn't lose out up forward when Vickery went into the ruck
Still question his intensity though because yesterday like every other games there are times where he didn't attack the contest with the ferocity he should
But having said he was good. But he needs to back this up every week. The 4-5 weekly cameos aren't good enough. He's been around long enough to show more consistency than his current output
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Grif has far more upside IMHO, Vickery has had his chances and failed in the past, He was OK against Collingwood but still a passenger, more consistency in effort and I am happy to change my opinion.
We have been waiting for TV to become 'the man' for 5 years now, but it has not happened to date. With his size and attributes and a huge change in attitude he could take the game by the scruff of the neck and be a powerhouse instead of a AA
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Minimum requirement from Ty.
Still looked hesitant but the quick movement of the footy also helped him.
Six of one, half a dozen of another.
One swallow doesn't make a summer.
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one of my mates at the footy said...we just need to accept the fact that Ty is nothing more than an average footballer..maybe theres truth in that statement
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one of my mates at the footy said...we just need to accept the fact that Ty is nothing more than an average footballer..maybe theres truth in that statement
Is that sensationally average?
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Vickery comes into the game as a forward when the ball is delivered like it should be quick & straight forward. If your at the game you will see this the forward leading. If we continue to overuse the ball then all the forwards have no idea cause they can't make 4-5 burst leads for no reward. Fast & direct delivery is the key to our game. This has been happening for years cause our game is based around chip kicking & overuse of the handball, Too much short run & carry :snidegrin Maybe this is the Richmond Way :snidegrin
l have always said Richmond must build the team around 2 power forwards. We have that & more yet we don't play like we have the confidence in the players ability. Most times Rewoldt /Vickery/ Griffiths would win 1 on 1 contests. This stems back to even Richo.
The Richmond Way is long & direct. The shortest route to goal with big marking forwards. It works for Hawthorn to win premierships with Roughhead/Franklin/ & Brisbane Brown/Lynch. We have the forwards & crumbers like Edwards/Dusty/Deledio/Cotchin. You can't get much better than that for experience to cause damage. It's upto the coach to apply it & stick to it. make our forwards be feared one on one. l bet it would work & we would be playing with the highest of confidence.
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I agree with everything except for Vickery's ability to win 1on1. He expects the ball to be kicked over his head so he can run onto it. I don't actually recall him taking too many contested marks. Actually statistically he has taken 0 contested marks in his 2 games this year.
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sensational, just stuffing sensational...
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I agree with everything except for Vickery's ability to win 1on1. He expects the ball to be kicked over his head so he can run onto it. I don't actually recall him taking too many contested marks. Actually statistically he has taken 0 contested marks in his 2 games this year.
l'm talking over several years we been up & down. One of them years Vickery had a good year. RFC problem is the stuffing around through the halfback / midfield / wings, It kills the confidence in the forwards cause they are leading & not being given the ball. Once they are out of breath if by chance they did gather the ball they be exhausted & that's where you get skewed kicks at goal. l have seen at games where Richo was the only forward 1 on 1 leading his opponent by 10 metres + & the ball carrier went across the ground several times. If that happened to me it would be a punch on in the rooms seriously. Vickery can take a good grab & has ability to play on for a huge man. He can kick goals when his on. l reckon our lads lack alot of confidence & rely too much on a few. Its great new players are being blooded & this will create a new era for RFC. l have faith in this playing group. ;D
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Played a solid game. First time in years I didn't shake my head at his effort in a contest, competed well all game and that's all I ask. Keep it up
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Played a solid game. First time in years I didn't shake my head at his effort in a contest, competed well all game and that's all I ask. Keep it up
Spot on Tony :thumbsup
Thought he did ok lets hope this is the norm from now on.
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Kid has talent no doubt it's just him putting it all in one week after week with effort.I can see him a target for clubs.
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Ralphy was saying on Fox last night that a couple clubs like Brisbane are sniffing. Ty would prefer to stay at Richmond but it just comes down to whether or not he can get regular games. Doesn't seem like he has an issue getting games with us as long as he keeps pulling his finger out.
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jack, tyrone, griff
= ronaldo, rivaldo, ronaldinho
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Played a solid game. First time in years I didn't shake my head at his effort in a contest, competed well all game and that's all I ask. Keep it up
Spot on Tony :thumbsup
Thought he did ok lets hope this is the norm from now on.
Never been really impressed by Ty but yeah I agree, he looked a poo load better than what I have seen before.
Lets just hope he gets much much better.
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If he's sorted out his mental issues I would gladly keep him on current form.
It's a long season though, and if things are looking grim at the pointy end I'd have him on the table.
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Interestingly, Vickery has now kicked 41 goals in his past 20 games, which is a healthy average of just over two per match.
Star Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt has scored 51 goals from his past 20 appearances, so Vickery’s goalkicking strike-rate stacks up more than adequately in comparison.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-06-10/ty-worth-his-weight-in-goals
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That's not interesting, that's frightening wih an element of LMAO
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Interestingly, Vickery has now kicked 41 goals in his past 20 games, which is a healthy average of just over two per match.
Star Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt has scored 51 goals from his past 20 appearances, so Vickery’s goalkicking strike-rate stacks up more than adequately in comparison.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-06-10/ty-worth-his-weight-in-goals
Riewoldt has been playing further up the ground so to compare the strike rates is not reasonable.
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Interestingly, Vickery has now kicked 41 goals in his past 20 games, which is a healthy average of just over two per match.
Star Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt has scored 51 goals from his past 20 appearances, so Vickery’s goalkicking strike-rate stacks up more than adequately in comparison.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-06-10/ty-worth-his-weight-in-goals
Riewoldt has been playing further up the ground so to compare the strike rates is not reasonable.
And Tyrone plays CHF and isn't the main focal point in our forwardline and also pinch hits in the ruck. Two goals a game for his roll is exceptional.
There is a lot you can say about TV but what he does do is hit the scoreboard.
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LOL Please.
Tyrone is our stay at home full forward as he isn't capable of playing CHF so we have to play Jack there
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LOL Please.
Tyrone is our stay at home full forward as he isn't capable of playing CHF so we have to play Jack there
Obviously watch the games then! :lol
The team sheet they go with on Thursday nights isn't always a true indication. :rollin
Does Tyrone even do any ruck work or is he just the stay at home FF?
No need to be a hater, credit where credit is due, Tyrone is an important player for us.
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yeah he plays in the ruck, but recently has played closer to home while jack pushes up the ground.
Jack is more capable of pushing up the ground, both in work rate and creativity, and it doesnt make too much sense to have have your change ruckman working his arse off while waiting for his stint in the ruck
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LOL Please.
Tyrone is our stay at home full forward as he isn't capable of playing CHF so we have to play Jack there
Obviously watch the games then! :lol
The team sheet they go with on Thursday nights isn't always a true indication. :rollin
Does Tyrone even do any ruck work or is he just the stay at home FF?
No need to be a hater, credit where credit is due, Tyrone is an important player for us.
Oh yeah I base my opinion on the team sheet ::) Shane Edwards is the best CHF we've ever had ::)
Okay stay at home FF might of been the wrong terminology. He is our main FF when he isn't doing his minimal amount of rucking during the game.
If you don't think TY spends most of his time being our closest to goal while Jack roams around you are delusional.
Nothing to do with being a hater, in fact I stayed on the Ty bangwagon longer than most. He has been good lately and credit to him but that has nothing to do with whether he plays close to goal or up the ground.
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Tide turns for Richmond's 'villain' Ty Vickery
Rohan Connolly
The Age
June 18, 2015 - 7:15PM
From a theatrical point of view, though obviously not Richmond's, it's perhaps a shame Friday night's game between the Tigers and West Coast isn't being played at Domain Stadium in Perth.
They love to jeer a villain in the west, and nearly 12 months since he won infamy with the Eagles faithful there's still probably none bigger than Richmond key forward Ty Vickery.
The Tigers' round-18 clash with the Eagles last year was, of course, the evening Vickery had something of a brain explosion, snotting local hero Dean Cox at a boundary throw-in.
It was crude, unnecessary and had consequences both immediate and longer-term, with a couple of West Coast fans wanting to take Vickery on when he ran to the interchange bench and the AFL tribunal a few days later slapping him with a four-game suspension.
The chastened Tiger had, by then, already issued a public apology to the Eagle veteran.
That suspension was costly indeed for Vickery. By the time he was eligible again, Richmond were on a major roll. Not only was he overlooked for the crucial final-round clash with Sydney, he missed out again when the Tigers lined up for their elimination final against Port Adelaide.
Indeed, Friday night's return bout with West Coast will be only his fifth AFL game since the Cox incident. But Vickery comes into it with popular opinion about his status at Tigerland having swung again – as it so often seems to, within the wider football world and particularly among the Richmond faithful.
"I think our fans are probably a little bit unfair on Ty," says Richmond coach Damien Hardwick. "He carries a huge burden for some unknown reason. I'm not sure why that is, but I also know how important he is as a player and how much he means to our team."
Sometimes you wonder if Hardwick even believes that himself.
After missing out on those final two games last year – despite a pre-season about which senior teammates spoke in glowing terms, and after the coach had enthused about a three-tall attack featuring Vickery, Jack Riewoldt and Ben Griffiths – Vickery was still missing when this year began.
Then a minor knee injury sustained in a VFL practice match cost him another week. He finally returned to senior football in round five against Geelong. It wasn't one of the great comebacks, Vickery towelled up by Jared Rivers. But Hardwick publicly stood by his man after the Tigers' loss, declaring Vickery was a "best-22" player. Five days later, he was dropped.
"I've got to admit, I'm incredibly hard on him," Hardwick says. "But that's because I feel he can be a very good talent within the AFL system. So I do ride him incredibly hard. But I feel the dividend of that is going to be enormous if we get Ty playing the style of footy I know he can play."
Not that we haven't already seen glimpses of it. Vickery booted 36 goals at nearly two per game in 2011. In fact, since the start of that season he has kicked exactly 100 in 68 games at an average of 1½.
And just maybe we're starting to see it again. After his recent omission, Vickery returned to the line-up for the round-seven clash with Collingwood, the first of Richmond's four straight wins, managing three goals in a team total of 16.
Another knee injury forced him off early against Port Adelaide the next week and out of the side to play Essendon. But in the big win over Fremantle in Perth last week Vickery kicked another three and dragged down half-a-dozen good grabs.
Significantly, that was also the first full game all season that Vickery, Griffiths – who also missed a couple of games injured – and Riewoldt had spent on the same ground. And the Tigers' attack looked a lot more potent for it.
"You get three different looks," says Hardwick. "You get Jack, who is a mobile, smaller marking key, and Benny, who is an athletic tall, then Ty, who is just a beacon up there. It's exactly what we're after.
"Ty hasn't got the athleticism of the other two, but what he has got is the smarts. He's capable of regularly kicking three a game."
And while Hardwick might not be easily satisfied, he's starting to see the signs.
"It's in his ability to make contest after contest," he says. "At stages last year, I thought he probably wasn't working as hard as we knew he could. But he's doing that a lot more. He's winning or halving contests, and at his best he's really hard to play on. He makes defenders worry about where he is, and I think we're starting to see that."
Vickery is second only to Riewoldt for scoreboard impact at Richmond over the past five seasons and his output, unlike that of plenty of teammates, has remained relatively constant in wins and losses.
But as he approaches the 100-game milestone, his coach is convinced the best is still to come.
"It's hard to think of an equivalent player like that," Hardwick says. "But [former Essendon and Hawthorn star] Paul Salmon is a guy who springs to mind for me, a guy capable of playing out of the cage deep inside 50 and kicking 40 goals, which Ty's already done, but then also have the ability to play as a roaming ruckman, as 'Fish' did, once he matures and grows into his body.
"He's just turned 25, but I still think he's going to fill out more and get bigger."
But for all the tough talk and the tough line Hardwick takes on his charge, the fondness for him is also readily apparent. Vickery is "a different sort of guy", says the coach, "but one I really enjoy spending time around".
"He's really intelligent and engaging," Hardwick says. "What I like is that when we do a game review, he's the first one to ask a question. If he doesn't agree with something that I've written in his review, he'll be the first one to challenge me, which I really enjoy. It shows that he cares about his performance."
It's fair to say that thumbnail sketch of a smart and sensitive young man isn't quite the impression Vickery has inspired among West Coast fans. But on Friday night, as they take another look at the man they've viewed with distaste since last July, it's a good chance for the big Tiger to show them his football is also far from one-dimensional.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tide-turns-for-richmonds-villain-ty-vickery-20150618-ghri0w.html
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Confident Tiger Ty finally starting to fire
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
June 19, 2015
RICHMOND forward Ty Vickery is a confidence player, and coach Damien Hardwick will often say the 25-year-old doesn't know how important he is to the Tigers.
After four straight wins, and six crucial goals across two of those, Vickery might be starting to see the extent to which he can influence matches. Opposition clubs certainly are.
He shapes as the danger man in Friday night's clash against West Coast at the MCG in a three-pronged forward line that features Jack Riewoldt playing further up the field, and Ben Griffiths.
Opposition clubs have paid close attention to the structure and noted how effective it was against Fremantle and Collingwood when the trio was given space to work in isolation.
With that in mind, preventing Vickery from gaining confidence early should be a key for West Coast.
"He's a confidence player and if he's kicking goals early it holds him in good stead for the rest of the game," one opposition scout told AFL.com.au.
"That's like anyone really, but especially for players who haven’t established themselves as bona fide week-to-week footballers.
"If you don't kick those goals early it can filter into you for the rest of the game.
"So if he gets his confidence up early he can kick three or four and be really dangerous."
Vickery kicked three goals in the Tigers' most recent win against Fremantle, including the team's first from a set shot. He went on to ice the game with his third.
His performance against Collingwood in round seven was equally important. Again he kicked the Tigers' first goal and converted a vital set shot in the fourth quarter that gave his team the lead.
The trend is obvious – when Vickery starts well he remains influential through the game.
"That's been his weakness in the past, staying in the game for four quarters," the opposition analyst said.
"But at the moment he's kicking well, so that gives Richmond the confidence to go to him.
"If his confidence is up and he's kicking well then Richmond are going to go to him more."
Vickery started on Michael Johnson against Fremantle before the veteran Docker was injured, and Collingwood sent in-form backman Nathan Brown to him in round seven.
Against West Coast, he could find himself on an undermanned opponent given the Eagles' decimated backline.
His recent form is also a testament to the Tigers' hard line stance on making him earn selection earlier this season when he spent three of the first four weeks in the VFL.
After an early finish to 2014 due to his suspension for punching West Coast ruckman Dean Cox in round 18, it meant he had played one game for the Tigers in 10 matches.
He could easily have been Richmond's forgotten forward, but he has worked his way back into favour and it is working for the 6-4 Tigers.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-19/starting-well-is-key-to-ty-vickerys-game
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In his last 20 games Vickery has kicked 41 goals 16
In his last 20 game Kurt Tippett has kicked 41 goals 19 behinds
So either Vickery is as good as Tippett or Tippett is as worse as Vickery.
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In his last 20 games Vickery has kicked 41 goals 16
In his last 20 game Kurt Tippett has kicked 41 goals 19 behinds
So either Vickery is as good as Tippett or Tippett is as worse as Vickery.
:thumbsup
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In his last 20 games Vickery has kicked 41 goals 16
In his last 20 game Kurt Tippett has kicked 41 goals 19 behinds
So either Vickery is as good as Tippett or Tippett is as worse as Vickery.
Interesting stat
But Tippett is (1) incredibly over rated for the coin he is on and (2) not performing to the level he should for the coin he is on
And finally outside othe coin Tippett is on, he is simply just incredibly over rated :snidegrin
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last saturday night Carey was saying the he reckons Tippet would have no trade currency........
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Thought Ty was OK
His first half was excellent but he went missing in the 3rd qtr in particular
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Thought Ty was OK
His first half was excellent but he went missing in the 3rd qtr in particular
suppose you are right though the whole team was poo in the 2nd half.
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Big trade value
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Best half of footy Tyrone's ever played
Was sensational
If only he could do it for an entire game he could be elite
Which is scary
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Kicks like a cannon
Ten - one. Set shots
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First time he's clearly demonstrated how naturally talented he is. Was like a big gun mid at times - which is why I maintain we gave up on him as a ruck way too soon. Will always be an enigmatic player though.
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Bradley... Ottens... :shh
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Enormous game Ty!!
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best game ive seen him play. I hope that serves as a big confidence booster for Ty :thumbsup
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First time he's clearly demonstrated how naturally talented he is. Was like a big gun mid at times - which is why I maintain we gave up on him as a ruck way too soon. Will always be an enigmatic player though.
Just posted in another thread, reckon he can be a ruckman. Maybe we have our long term replacement for Ivan and it ain't Hampson
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First time he's clearly demonstrated how naturally talented he is. Was like a big gun mid at times - which is why I maintain we gave up on him as a ruck way too soon. Will always be an enigmatic player though.
Just posted in another thread, reckon he can be a ruckman. Maybe we have our long term replacement for Ivan and it ain't Hampson
You don't waste A Grade forwards in the ruck
: ;)
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First time he's clearly demonstrated how naturally talented he is. Was like a big gun mid at times - which is why I maintain we gave up on him as a ruck way too soon. Will always be an enigmatic player though.
Just posted in another thread, reckon he can be a ruckman. Maybe we have our long term replacement for Ivan and it ain't Hampson
You don't waste A Grade forwards in the ruck
:thumbsdown
But I don't think he is a grade forward but he can be an a grade ruckman who can rest up forward
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Best half of footy he has ever played for the club. :thumbsup
More of that please Ty. :cheers
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Best half of footy he has ever played for the club. :thumbsup
More of that please Ty. :cheers
Ditto :thumbsup.
Loved the 2nd/3rd efforts too as well as the strong presence on the field.
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very good in traffic when he is on song...
still think he's much better as forward rotating into the ruck rather than being a full time ruck....
taking nothing away from him, the sydney rucks tonight are not much chop....made a big difference for us getting our hands on the ball in the stoppage.
we still likely need to acquire a fulltime ruck to take over from ivan.....the vickery/griffo combo in support works well.
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FANTASTIC EFFORT!!!! Would not have gotten back into the game if it weren't for him, its amazing to see how much better he became when our game plan came off and the ball came into the forward line like it did. Great job all over, robbed of that goal because of the interchange fiasco.
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As someone has already touched on, his set shot kicking was fantastic last night.
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As someone has already touched on, his set shot kicking was fantastic last night.
Doesn't miss much
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The best game he has played ever :cheers
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Makes you really wonder why he has been spudding it up for so long when he can play a game like that.
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He spuds it up because in my opinion its all upstairs....he has the talent
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Very good second half. His kicking a real highlight.
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More of the same please......I don't want to hate you next week. :thumbsup
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More of the same please......I don't want to hate you next week. :thumbsup
:lol
But a lot to truth in it ;D
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More of the same please......I don't want to hate you next week. :thumbsup
:lol
But a lot to truth in it ;D
Yep performances like on Friday night should be the norm not the exception. Hope that he has found the consistency in his performance that has been lacking bar his 2011 season.
Furthermore I hope the games where he looks disinterested and the biggest cheer for him is when he gets subbed out early in the third quarter (Collingwood Round 4 2014) are now behind him. :thumbsup
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Wen do we trade him to Geelong for two spuds
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Sideshow is back!........
......I hated him again today. :banghead
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Wen do we trade him to Geelong for two spuds
;)
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Picked up in the second half
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Disappointing today, Cameo King returned
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Wasn't a game that suited talls given the conditions , bobbed up when we needed him in the last q should never have missed :shh after a fine mark at top of square
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Wasn't a game that suited talls given the conditions , bobbed up when we needed him in the last q should never have missed :shh after a fine mark at top of square
Should not have missed in the third either from 30 out.
Kicked those and given the conditions would have finished with 3 and we would have been spared the drama of a nailbiting finish and one where we won more comfortably by 4 goals. Add Miles miss also and 13.15 reads better than 10.18. Just saying. :thumbsup
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Do we have a tackling coach?
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LOL at Dimma's reaction in the box after Vickery's brain-fade :snidegrin. You don't need to be a good lipreader :nope.
VIDEO: Vickery's brain-fade while running into an open goal. (http://fat.gfycat.com/CarefreeFalseEastrussiancoursinghounds.mp4)
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Took a step backwards last night me thinks. And there's only 2 more steps to the cliff edge
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Reckon he was alright. made a contest every chance he could
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Hes been good since he came back into the side, his intensity and ability to create a contest have improved significantly. Keep it up
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Hes been good since he came back into the side, his intensity and ability to create a contest have improved significantly. Keep it up
This was his first game back :snidegrin
Think he was pretty average but still miles ahead of where he was last year, at least he is making a contest and looks like he is putting in some effort.
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His chasing & tackling still leaves a lot to be desired.
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Such a non natural footballer
Should be in Oxford street pumping hot dogs
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His missed goal by trying to turn the defender inside out about three times was comical at best, should have slotted it home within 2 paces after receiving the ball. However i must say that this is something i have noticed lately where players who have opportunities to have a shot for goal tend to look for another option when they may have been in the better position themselves. Almost a case of being too unselfish, happened a couple of times last night, would like to see some players just back their ability and have eyes only for the goal.
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Hes been good since he came back into the side, his intensity and ability to create a contest have improved significantly. Keep it up
This was his first game back :snidegrin
Think he was pretty average but still miles ahead of where he was last year, at least he is making a contest and looks like he is putting in some effort.
Haha I meant when he got back into the lineup about 6-7 weeks ago or whenever it was. Has been much improved this year compared to previous years with his effort
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I think he did alright last night.
He competes in the air but also is pretty quick to get involved after the ball hits the ground for a big bloke.
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I think he did alright last night.
He competes in the air but also is pretty quick to get involved after the ball hits the ground for a big bloke.
Well book mark it!
I totally agree ;D :thumbsup
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Ty on Adelaide's 5AA ...
AUDIO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-08-06/vickery-on-5aa-august-6th
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Carey praising Vickery in today's Age ...
Clock ticking on so many players' futures
Wayne Carey
The Age
August 7, 2015
There's little doubt that every player in the AFL would like to be preparing for finals right now.
With just five rounds remaining in the home and away season, it's the perfect time to be getting your body right to help your club in its push for premiership glory.
Unfortunately, the sad reality is that most players won't get a whiff of the action and while that will make the weeks drag for some, there's still plenty at sake. Entire futures for that matter.
At about this time, last year, I wrote about a group of footballers who I believed were at the crossroads of their careers. Who, despite their abundant natural ability, had just failed to shine no matter how many chances they'd been handed.
One of those players was Richmond forward Tyrone Vickery – the big bloke who'd teased the Tigers' faithful for so long. While his stats, this year, hardly jump off the page, there's no doubt he's one of the reasons Richmond is gearing-up for a run deep into September.
He has proven just how much of the game is played above the shoulders, by stepping up to the contest. He's done things in big games and shown enough in the rest of his matches to finally suggest the faith that Richmond showed in him over the journey was well founded.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clock-ticking-on-so-many-players-furtures-20150806-git0hb.html#ixzz3i3YCBLmg
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He is so disappointing most of the time. Really frustrating player
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Put him in the ruck
Ivan and megan hopeless
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Bad Ty the Cameo King was back with a vengeance tonight
Obviously paid too much attention to Carey's article and stuck tickets on himself
So disappointing
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Be serious Richmond and trade this lazy prick teasing hack while he's still worth something.
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How good is the mail Collingwood are into him? Still contracted so bend them over.
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We should but they're probably just playing silly buggers knowing them - and knowing us we'd be just dumb enough to give him another over-generous contract to ward them off while they go & snag Treloar.
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Well he has really been going well and started today the same.
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Going along nicely, first goal of the third!!
Very accurate kick!!
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Vicks roved the ball and has kicked 4.. :clapping :clapping
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Go Ty :clapping
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Best game sideshow has played that I can remember.
I like him today. :thumbsup
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BIG 5 GOALS!!!!!!!!
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BIG 5 GOALS!!!!!!!!
:gobdrop
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BIG 6 GOALS NOW!!!!!!
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BOG.
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BOG.
EASY!!!!!!!!
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I love him today. :thumbsup :bow :cheers
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Hopefully, his breakout game. Fantastic game and not just because he kicked 6. Teamwork, workrate and aggression at the footy were all there as well. Well done Ty :clapping.
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Can't expect him to play like that every week because that was a massive effort, but as long he just puts in and doesn't go missing so often. Vickery has let everyone know what he is capable of now, so no excuse not to pull out those kinds of games a bit more often ;D
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Only 25 years old :shh
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He was like a free range chicken today, allowed to run wherever & do whatever he liked without an opponent all day. Good thing he made the most of it and dominated as he should which was pleasing to see. Got himself involved, chased and tackled too as his confidence was sky high he finished with 10 score involvements.
I hope that this sort of game gives him the belief he needs to be the consistent performer we need especially in finals. :pray
Well done. :thumbsup
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Well bugger me sideways, ol cloth mitts was sticking marks all day, running hard and I never had a knock on him having a set shot. Totally smashed it today, if he keeps this up, Ill have a sideshow bob chubby
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Like stuffen whoa man, 10 goals in last 2 games :shh
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Like a free range chicken - now that's gold :thumbsup
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Hopefully, his breakout game. Fantastic game and not just because he kicked 6. Teamwork, workrate and aggression at the footy were all there as well. Well done Ty :clapping.
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Was brilliant today
Best game in his career
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Best game of his career for us. Did everything, was in everything. Everything we have hoped for.
Today should be the norm not the exception.
Great game. :thumbsup
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Dud, delist.
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Not at all surprised with his performance today. I think he's been close to this for a long time, since he punched Dean Cox in the face :rollin. Best set shot in the team, one of the best in the league! I've always had faith in the big fella, stoked to see him reaping some reward today!
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Not at all surprised with his performance today. I think he's been close to this for a long time, since he punched Dean Cox in the face :rollin. Best set shot in the team, one of the best in the league! I've always had faith in the big fella, stoked to see him reaping some reward today!
I'm with you on this 100%, always had the faith.
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Never doubted the big fella. :snidegrin
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(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5aayl4aw.jpg)
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Vickery's 6 goal haul ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-08-22/round-21-vickerys-careerbest-haul
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Did some say they want vickery gone that leaves us with that big bad boy Griffiths?
:lol :lol :rollin
Wake up
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Did some say they want vickery gone that leaves us with that big bad boy Griffiths?
:lol :lol :rollin
Wake up
Over the last 18 months (until the last few weeks ) Griff had shown more than Vickery. I'm happy he has stepped up but he has to keep it up for me to change my mind on him. The best for the Tigers would be if they both the both reached the potential they have shown. We can only hope and imagine what a team we would have if the were both firming.
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Did some say they want vickery gone that leaves us with that big bad boy Griffiths?
:lol :lol :rollin
Wake up
In two years times, #StandByGriff , might be of the same standard as Tyrone is now, possibly. If one views the 'vickery related comments', when he was 23. Not all flattering
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Did some say they want vickery gone that leaves us with that big bad boy Griffiths?
:lol :lol :rollin
Wake up
I think most on here have wanted to keep both but have said they prepare Griff than Vickery. Vickery has done this before (not quite as many goals) but he always seems to revert back to the cameo king lacking effort. I still reckon Griff provides a necessary role for us that Vickery can't play
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Did some say they want vickery gone that leaves us with that big bad boy Griffiths?
:lol :lol :rollin
Wake up
I think most on here have wanted to keep both but have said they prepare Griff than Vickery. Vickery has done this before (not quite as many goals) but he always seems to revert back to the cameo king lacking effort. I still reckon Griff provides a necessary role for us that Vickery can't play
Hopefully now Vickery is around the 25 age range and team seems to be improving across the board he consistently plays at a decent level
its not uncommon for players of that size to take up until that kind of time to come good
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Vickery finally coming good.
Truth is Griffiths showed a lot more than he did last year. Vickery didn't look like he wanted to play at all in 2014.
Question is, do we trade at least one of them with McBean coming on and McKenzie developing?
Given Vickery's recent form he should be worth a first round pick when you consider what we paid for Hampson...
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Vickery finally coming good.
Truth is Griffiths showed a lot more than he did last year. Vickery didn't look like he wanted to play at all in 2014.
Question is, do we trade at least one of them with McBean coming on and McKenzie developing?
Given Vickery's recent form he should be worth a first round pick when you consider what we paid for Hampson...
if we trade vickery or griffiths
and do not get a new ruck - we would be very thin (IMHO) in the ruck department
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Vickery finally coming good.
Truth is Griffiths showed a lot more than he did last year. Vickery didn't look like he wanted to play at all in 2014.
Question is, do we trade at least one of them with McBean coming on and McKenzie developing?
Given Vickery's recent form he should be worth a first round pick when you consider what we paid for Hampson...
if we trade vickery or griffiths
and do not get a new ruck - we would be very thin (IMHO) in the ruck department
Yes, however we have already agreed that we need another genuine ruck. Hampson is fine as a backup only. Griffiths and Vickery pinch-hitters at best. At this stage of the game I would be open to trading Griffiths. He looked better than Vickery last year, but appears to have gone backwards in 2015 and his shooting for goal has been poor. With McBean in the wings there's basically no hope of him getting a game as the 3rd tall behind Jack and Vickery. TRADE!
As for rucks, there are some potential options.
Leuenberger - too injury-prone for me.
You like Kreuzer - I'm warming to the idea after some consistency.
Stefan Martin - wants to come back to VIC. Would be inquiring about his services.
Anybody else?
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Vickery finally coming good.
Truth is Griffiths showed a lot more than he did last year. Vickery didn't look like he wanted to play at all in 2014.
Question is, do we trade at least one of them with McBean coming on and McKenzie developing?
Given Vickery's recent form he should be worth a first round pick when you consider what we paid for Hampson...
if we trade vickery or griffiths
and do not get a new ruck - we would be very thin (IMHO) in the ruck department
Yes, however we have already agreed that we need another genuine ruck. Hampson is fine as a backup only. Griffiths and Vickery pinch-hitters at best. At this stage of the game I would be open to trading Griffiths. He looked better than Vickery last year, but appears to have gone backwards in 2015 and his shooting for goal has been poor. With McBean in the wings there's basically no hope of him getting a game as the 3rd tall behind Jack and Vickery. TRADE!
As for rucks, there are some potential options.
Leuenberger - too injury-prone for me.
You like Kreuzer - I'm warming to the idea after some consistency.
Stefan Martin - wants to come back to VIC. Would be inquiring about his services.
Benny Gale seems to think we do not need a key back or ruck - if you go by the propaganda
Anybody else?
gold coast ruck maybe
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4. Tiger Tyrone can be Jack's finals foil
Nick Bowen
afl.com.au
August 23, 2015
Tyrone Vickery's best-on-ground performance against Collingwood shows he can be a very handy sidekick to Jack Riewoldt this September. With Riewoldt playing a selfless role up the ground on Saturday, Vickery thrived as Richmond's main man in attack. The 200cm Tiger was too strong in the air for a Magpies defence missing the suspended Nathan Brown, taking 10 marks (three contested), while one of his career-high six goals came from a clever snap in general play. As Collingwood kicked itself out of the game with seven behinds in the second quarter, Vickery was a deadeye, returning a perfect 6.0 scoresheet. With Ben Griffiths in doubt for the finals with a finger injury, Vickery now looms as a key part of Richmond's finals campaign. But, as Tigers coach Damien Hardwick noted afterwards, the challenge for him now is to back up Saturday's performance.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-23/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-21
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Vickery is really cementing his place in the side over Griffiths.
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There is bugger all difference in their stats, this year, at the same age or across their career EXCEPT that Vickery scores almost twice as many goals. Both played 12 games this year and stats are the same except Ty is averaging 2 per game to Ben's 1. Ty is just 12 months older. Line ball but I think Ty is the better.
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Vickery is really cementing his place in the side over Griffiths.
Grif looks like he is a good kick - but his goal kicking is Travis Cloke -esque . Big Ben has missed so many easy shots this year.
Tyrone is a dead eye . Kicks murcirical goals from the boundary line.
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There is bugger all difference in their stats, this year, at the same age or across their career EXCEPT that Vickery scores almost twice as many goals. Both played 12 games this year and stats are the same except Ty is averaging 2 per game to Ben's 1. Ty is just 12 months older. Line ball but I think Ty is the better.
he may only be 12 months older but he has played 100 odd games compared to 50
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There is bugger all difference in their stats, this year, at the same age or across their career EXCEPT that Vickery scores almost twice as many goals. Both played 12 games this year and stats are the same except Ty is averaging 2 per game to Ben's 1. Ty is just 12 months older. Line ball but I think Ty is the better.
you forgot to mention that Ben played a year in defence. Ty has never done that. At this stage Ty is ahead in a few areas - accuracy and durability are the two biggest. Ben is a better ruck chop out and takes good defensive contested marks. I actually think they compliment each other and we are a better team when both are in and playing well.
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There is bugger all difference in their stats, this year, at the same age or across their career EXCEPT that Vickery scores almost twice as many goals. Both played 12 games this year and stats are the same except Ty is averaging 2 per game to Ben's 1. Ty is just 12 months older. Line ball but I think Ty is the better.
you forgot to mention that Ben played a year in defence. Ty has never done that. At this stage Ty is ahead in a few areas - accuracy and durability are the two biggest. Ben is a better ruck chop out and takes good defensive contested marks. I actually think they compliment each other and we are a better team when both are in and playing well.
Finally a voice of reason :bow
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How I see it.
Lloyd and Lennon have been the fill in for Griffiths. Two midgets with goal sense.
I'm not disappointed in their output either.
I support Griffo and have since the start.
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There is bugger all difference in their stats, this year, at the same age or across their career EXCEPT that Vickery scores almost twice as many goals. Both played 12 games this year and stats are the same except Ty is averaging 2 per game to Ben's 1. Ty is just 12 months older. Line ball but I think Ty is the better.
you forgot to mention that Ben played a year in defence. Ty has never done that. At this stage Ty is ahead in a few areas - accuracy and durability are the two biggest. Ben is a better ruck chop out and takes good defensive contested marks. I actually think they compliment each other and we are a better team when both are in and playing well.
Still kicks twice as many goals BUT think it comes down the their roles as well. Tyrone is more stay at home and Griff tries to cover the ground. You say they compliment each other well and I agree and you can throw Jack in their as well and they are all a different mix of player
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Milestone game ;D.
Ty plays his 100th on Saturday night.
Career stats: http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1941
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Tiger Vickery tunes out the criticism
AFL.com.au
August 28, 2015
WHEN Richmond forward Ty Vickery is out of form, the negativity flows from everywhere.
"It comes from the media, it comes from supporters, and the negativity comes from yourself," he says.
But when the key forward is on a roll – as he is going into his 100th game with 10.0 from his past two matches – those same groups can be slow to get behind him.
That was evident on Thursday, when coach Damien Hardwick was asked at his weekly press conference if Vickery felt he was "one week away from being [the Richmond] fans' whipping boy" or if he felt more comfortable in his place.
Vickery's recent form would suggest he is certainly more comfortable in his place, and the key has been to seek shelter from all external feedback, good and bad.
"They're really passionate fans, no one could argue with that, and they love it when we're performing well and we're winning," Vickery told AFL.com.au of the Tiger Army.
"(But) you try not to let anything negative or positive get to you really and just get the job done on game day.
"When you're out of form it comes from everywhere. It comes from the media, it comes from supporters, and the negativity comes from yourself as well.
"You need to block it out and bring it back to basics for yourself and what you do well to turn around your form."
The feedback for Vickery was brutal after round five when he was towelled up by Geelong defender Jared Rivers and consequently, sent back to the VFL.
From that point there have been match-winning efforts, like his three goals against Collingwood in round seven, and low points, like his seven-possession effort against Adelaide in round 19.
But the past fortnight has raised hopes at Richmond that he’ll deliver consistently and could be a match-winner in September.
"The important thing for Ty is to listen to his coaches and understand how much we value his performance and what we rate that on," Hardwick said.
"It is hard with social media and all these forms of expression that people have, but all we worry about is what we say in these four walls.
"We've always known what an important player he is for our side and we're starting to see the consistency in his performance."
One of the keys to Vickery's form has been his goalkicking accuracy, with 24.7 from 12 games this season.
Vickery, who kicked 23.10 last season and 27.19 in 2013, said his improved goalkicking was as simple as lifting his load at training and practising under pressure.
"Confidence comes from a lot of shots and I work closely with 'Choco' Williams – he tries to put pressure on like a game by yelling at me," Vickery said.
"It seems to work if you follow the technique and there's been a big focus, particularly the last couple of years, from our club.
"If you only get two opportunities it's a lot better to kick two goals than two points."
There has been added motivation for Vickery to perform this year from teammates Ben Griffiths and Liam McBean, who have been hustling to break into the Richmond forward line.
Hardwick was pleased with a three-tall structure earlier in the season when Griffiths was fit, but recent games without the injured big man have seen the Tigers flourish with Vickery and Jack Riewoldt as sole tall targets.
Motivation could also flow knowing he is entering the final year of his contract in 2016 and interest in the 25-year-old has ballooned following his 10-goal fortnight.
An extension, however, is not likely to be signed until after the upcoming trade period.
"I'm really happy at the club and I'm out of contract in a long time, so there's a lot of water to go under the bridge before that comes out," he said.
"[An extension] depends on a few things. It depends on myself and the club, where they're at as well.
"I just want to finish the year off really well for myself and the team and see how far we can go.
"But as I said I'm really happy at the club and love playing here and winning."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-28/tiger-vickery-blocks-out-the-criticism
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Jeers turn into cheers for Vickery ...
Ty Vickery has taken eight years to reach 100 games but is in career-best form
Herald-Sun
August 29, 2015
TY Vickery can solve a Rubik’s Cube with a few flicks of the wrist.
But while the Richmond forward can navigate the world’s best-selling puzzle, the riddle that is his AFL career has proved more difficult.
Tonight at the MCG against Essendon, Vickery will play his 100th game — a milestone that’s taken eight years to achieve after he was taken by the Tigers at No.8 in the 2008 national draft.
It’s been a rollercoaster journey that’s juggled six-goal bags and best-on-ground honours with brain fades and multiple-game suspensions.
Vickery’s friends and teammates say he’s as maligned as anyone in the game, disliked even by sections of the Tiger army. There have been dark times, moments where he’s felt like the negative energy was enveloping him, but with maturity has come a thick skin and stronger resolve.
He confronts the Bombers in arguably the form of his life, having kicked 10 goals straight in the past fortnight while ranking above average in marks (6.5 a game), score involvements (6.8) and goals (3) over the past month.
That’s Vickery the player. But Vickery the person, like the Rubik’s Cube he’s mastered, is more complex.
As one teammate told the Herald Sun
this week, if you met Vickery in a social setting, one of the last things you’d assume would be that he is a footballer.
The 25-year-old lives in Clifton Hill with his fiancee, Russian-born Australian professional tennis player Arina Rodionova. The pair will marry in December, a couple of years after meeting at a fancy dress party.
He’s got his teeth into a law degree and loves a debate almost as much as his cats Rambo and Dozor.
There’s the obsession with Sylvester Stallone’s 1980s action character, John Rambo, while Vickery is also a taekwondo black belt who won a national championships silver medal at 13.
He eats at the same place every night before a game, chowing down the sizzling Mongolian beef and rice hotplate - where he eats only the meat and rice, everythnig else is left on the plate - at a Vietnamese restaurant in Abbotsford.
It’s this intriguing, private life that stands in sharp contrast to the occasionally awkward, yet influential goalkicker, who has somehow become a magnet for criticism.
Dealing with that has been just as big a challenge as learning the AFL craft, according to his father and Tigers’ boxing coach John Vickery.
“It used to affect him and he and I sat down a lot to discuss it,” Vickery Sr said.
“You’ve just got to take no notice of it and he doesn’t. Sometimes I ask him, ‘How you going?’ and he says, ‘I’m not listening to it, Dad. I don’t care. I’m just going to play footy’.
“He seems to be a far happier bloke now than what he was a few years ago. He was in a dark spot there for a bit. He was always a quiet kid, never did anything wrong or said anything wrong. I don’t think he swore until he started hanging around with Jakey King.”
King stuck up for Vickery on the field and in retirement remains one of his fiercest allies.
“I like to compare and I compare him to Kurt Tippett — same height, same position, same everything,” King said.
“Tyrone is twice the player Kurt Tippett is and on half the money but 10 times the crap. It’s unfair on the poor kid and I think he’s been extremely hard done by, the way he gets treated.”
Coach Damien Hardwick this week said in-house opinion was all that mattered for Vickery, while one of his current teammates shook his head at the criticism arrowed his friend’s way.
“Even some of the Richmond fans can’t even have him. He’s not well-liked,” he said.
“He’s not going to tell you he’s a fan favourite. He’s well aware of his standing in the footy world, but he’s not worried about it and at the moment it’s obviously not affecting his footy.”
Vickery played junior footy for East Brighton Vampires. The club’s long-serving president Steve Hill has unwittingly found himself aboard the Vickery rollercoaster.
“I only get calls about him when he’s f....d up. Funnily enough, the phone has been quiet lately,” Hill said.
“It’s funny. He does some terrific things and people only hang on to the negatives with him.”
Hill’s mobile ran hot after Vickery’s well-publicised hit on West Coast legend Dean Cox last year.
Vickery copped a four-game ban and mountains of criticism from players, fans and the media.
Those close to him say he was mortified by his actions and insist he didn’t deliberately try to hurt Cox. Vickery publicly and privately apologised to Cox in the days after.
“If the Cox incident had happened two years earlier it would have got to him emotionally and I think he would have struggled, but the person that he’s become he’s a man in the way he goes about things in every way now,” King said.
The former small forward, along with another ex-Tiger Dan Jackson, tried to “build a shield” around their mate in their playing days.
“If it’s just someone’s opinion then we try to get him to brush it off and forget it and to not listen to anyone outside the club,” King said.
“He wishes things were different, but seeing him grow all the way through it, he’s become such a great person because of it all. He’s a beautiful human being.
“But like most smart people, he can’t build anything. He’s hopeless. So anything from Ikea, I get a phone call from him straight away.”
But Vickery is building.
Overlooked for the last two games of last season and slow to get going in this one, Vickery’s marking and goalkicking power is making an increasing difference to a Richmond side no rival would fancy playing this September.
In 2007 Vickery got a Chinese tattoo on his arm that translates as “Live Free”.
It’s taken much of the eight years since but now, more than ever, he’s doing exactly that.
http://www.news.com.au/national/ty-vickery-has-taken-eight-years-to-reach-100-games-but-is-in-career-best-form/story-e6frfkp9-1227502958593
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Whatever.
Kick ten tonight and we will talk then.
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Personally, I won't be happy until he kicks ten week in, week out.
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Personally, I won't be happy until he kicks ten week in, week out.
This won't happen unless he shrinks a centi meter...
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Personally, I won't be happy until he kicks ten week in, week out.
While taking over number one ruck duties . Bye Ivan.
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It's only between the ears for Ty. He's very athletic, deceptively strong (has one of those wirey looking frames though) and has many times showed he possesses the skills. Only thing stopping him from being consistently good is himself.
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It’s been a rollercoaster journey that’s juggled six-goal bags
No need for the plural, he's only done it once. Which pretty much sums up most peoples critiscms about him (consistency)
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Thankfully he's got good foot skills because he went back to playing from behind and trying to get cheap ones out the back. Disappointing after the last 2 weeks.
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Thankfully he's got good foot skills because he went back to playing from behind and trying to get cheap ones out the back. Disappointing after the last 2 weeks.
Was back to his frustrating worst tonight :banghead. Was embarrassing seeing no forwards lead to the ball carrier
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Thankfully he's got good foot skills because he went back to playing from behind and trying to get cheap ones out the back. Disappointing after the last 2 weeks.
Was back to his frustrating worst tonight :banghead. Was embarrassing seeing no forwards lead to the ball carrier
Yep everyone wanted the one out the back tonight. Think we've had too much success getting in behind Carlton's and GC's zones the last two weeks and the forwards became complacent.
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It's only between the ears for Ty. He's very athletic, deceptively strong (has one of those wirey looking frames though) and has many times showed he possesses the skills. Only thing stopping him from being consistently good is himself.
A fair statement. His ability at ground level is very good and is usually a very accurate kick for goal.
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Thankfully he's got good foot skills because he went back to playing from behind and trying to get cheap ones out the back. Disappointing after the last 2 weeks.
Was back to his frustrating worst tonight :banghead. Was embarrassing seeing no forwards lead to the ball carrier
Yep everyone wanted the one out the back tonight. Think we've had too much success getting in behind Carlton's and GC's zones the last two weeks and the forwards became complacent.
wet weather footy creates a lot of opportunities out the back of the pack, but I think they overplayed it and forgot you still need to create the pack rather than let your opponent take the footy uncontested
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Dropped too many marks last night. Looked real tentative going for them.
Could have had another 3 or 4 marks inside 50 with a little more care and less sloppiness.
That could have equated to another 4-6 goal game.
Needs to refocus .
Nought will put a banana like Firrito on him. Needs to not get sucked from him in otherwise he won't go near it and our forward line may struggle.
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Give the guy a break in the wet for his size. l thought he went ok last night :clapping
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Shocker of a first half, granted the delivery and decision making inside our forward line was terrible. But good to see Ty not just give up because it got all too hard and that he persisted to the end to still contribute by kicking 3 goals.
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Went well, average first half granted but really came into in the second and he did it by the quicker delivery into the forward line and being one out, must be the same next week.
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Sideshow Bob was back again. :rollin
....let's hope he doesn't show up in the final.
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Should've finished with 2. Any good forward would of saw the first one fly over their head for a goal instead of marking it.
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Doesnt drop his head anymore, keeps at it for most of the game now
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Cameo King was back with a vengeance last night
Have to say he certainly dropped his head a few times in the first half last night
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No he didn't,
he kept trying all game and was well rewarded in the end
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No he didn't,
he kept trying all game and was well rewarded in the end
Sorry from what I saw, there were a few times where when things went against him he stopped, propped and refused to chase, refused to give a 2nd effort, to me that's dropping your head
In the 2nd qtr in particular I can remember at least 3 or 4 occasions when he did that
2nd half he was better, didn't do it but in the first he certainly did
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Is there any other "good" key forward who gets caught behind their opponent as much as Ty?
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Is there any other "good" key forward who gets caught behind their opponent as much as Ty?
Don't think so. Most "good" key forwards understand the merit of playing in front.
We're a good side at the moment and it is covering up the fact that Ty hasn't addressed his glaring deficiencies.
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Former Richmond star Nathan Brown says North Melbourne should target Tyrone Vickery in Sunday's elimination final against the Tigers.
Brown said on Sports Today the big forward was crucial to Richmond's chances of getting the finals monkey off the back, but was still prone to taking his eye off the ball when ruffled.
"I think he (Vickery) is the glue up there at the moment," Brown explained on 3AW.
"Jack Riewoldt is playing great football and has really matured but Tyrone Vickery is the key to that forward line at the moment.
"If they can get under his guard… He can take his focus off.
"If I was the Kangaroos, I'd certainly be getting into Vickery."
http://www.3aw.com.au/news/former-richmond-star-says-north-melbourne-should-target-tyrone-vickery-20150910-gjjz8h.html
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Gee thanks Nathan, any other tips?
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Gee thanks Nathan, any other tips?
Surprised he hasn't sent a memo to the umps to keep an eye on Rance and Chaplin in case they tunnel the North forwards….. >:(
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Needs to avoid wrestling with opponents and use his mobility to great effect.
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Trade him out for a early pick if we are lucky. Use this pick so a better ruck or Bennell.
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Thought he was good today, tried his guts out all day.
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Thought he was good today, tried his guts out all day.
Disagree. Was watching him closely and trailed his man for most of the game allowing run out of the backline. Sure he kicked a couple of goals but doesn't defend well as a forward.
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Tried in patches but lets sell him for something better and something we need. McBean is more than ready to replace him next year.
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Thought he was good today.he wasn't the problem.
The problem was a woefull leadership group
A spineless midfield
And in hindsight awful pre game selections...griff was clearly underdone and Reece was reece,turned the ball over with gay abandon as is his want
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Did not chase. Did not zone off. Did not play for the jumper
0ne way Vickery
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Did not chase. Did not zone off. Did not play for the jumper
0ne way Vickery
What game were you watching boy?
Wore his heart on his sleeve today, the only guy who could take an overhead mark and had the balls to take on the player. We seen the fiuture of the club in this guy today, get around him!!
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Apart from that terrible miss in the final qtr
Thought he was good today
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Did not chase. Did not zone off. Did not play for the jumper
0ne way Vickery
What game were you watching boy?
Wore his heart on his sleeve today, the only guy who could take an overhead mark and had the balls to take on the player. We seen the fiuture of the club in this guy today, get around him!!
Do not get around him.
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Yep one of the few that can hold his head up. Well done Vicks!!!!
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Did not chase. Did not zone off. Did not play for the jumper
0ne way Vickery
What game were you watching boy?
Wore his heart on his sleeve today, the only guy who could take an overhead mark and had the balls to take on the player. We seen the fiuture of the club in this guy today, get around him!!
Do not get around him.
Get around him now punk >:(
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Did not chase. Did not zone off. Did not play for the jumper
0ne way Vickery
What game were you watching boy?
Wore his heart on his sleeve today, the only guy who could take an overhead mark and had the balls to take on the player. We seen the fiuture of the club in this guy today, get around him!!
Do not get around him.
Get around him now punk >:(
........I said DO NOT get around him. Sheesh
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He didn't chase at times but he was one of the better players. He was covering the ground
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Was serviceable without being great.
6 of one half a dozen of another.
Jack on the other hand was sensational.
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Did not chase. Did not zone off. Did not play for the jumper
0ne way Vickery
What game were you watching boy?
Wore his heart on his sleeve today, the only guy who could take an overhead mark and had the balls to take on the player. We seen the fiuture of the club in this guy today, get around him!!
Do not get around him.
Get around him now punk >:(
........I said DO NOT get around him. Sheesh
To late, wagons are circled....move on.
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Was serviceable without being great.
6 of one half a dozen of another.
Jack on the other hand was sensational.
Spot on.
Still think he needs to play ruck
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Apart from that terrible miss in the final qtr
Thought he was good today
agree
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Really disappointing miss but felt he was one if our better players today
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I'll state it again. He kicks goals which is great but refuses to man up when we don't have the ball and too often is caught playing behind his man hoping for the easy over the back out. He has the talent to much better but not the intestinal fortitude to do the real hard things. Mind you he is not alone there.... :whistle
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Was serviceable without being great.
6 of one half a dozen of another.
Jack on the other hand was sensational.
Spot on.
Still think he needs to play ruck
It certainly looks like Tyrone or griff will have to do a fair bit of ruck work
Otherwise it's a year of Hampson
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how good would that be?
"Chaplin, Grigg, Hampson" has a much better ring to it than "Chaplin, Chaplin, Grigg"
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Morris ...
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Jack and The Super Macs forward, Vickery ruck. :shh
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Absolute softie who will never be a good ruckman. You cant play the role if you hate the contact. He hates the contact that much he poos himself.
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The other side it th coin is you can't play ruck if you are a deadset hack
Like Hampson
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I'll state it again. He kicks goals which is great but refuses to man up when we don't have the ball and too often is caught playing behind his man hoping for the easy over the back out. He has the talent to much better but not the intestinal fortitude to do the real hard things. Mind you he is not alone there.... :whistle
I agree with this.
I also blame hardwick for enabling Vickery to play soft.
Dimmer believes in his game plan and vision to the degree that it is lunacy.
He feels he has identified the weak side of Tyrone's game and somehow,
His game plan will cater to it.
Dimmer the enabler.
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Playing him the ruck effectively makes him an extra midfielder which utilises his agility and ability in traffic......he probably still won't chase or tackle - but he's not going to do that wherever you stick him...at least it's better than having Hamspud lumbering around with his cricket bat arms and club feet in between tapping the ball down the throats of opposition rovers...
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Playing him the ruck effectively makes him an extra midfielder which utilises his agility and ability in traffic......he probably still won't chase or tackle - but he's not going to do that wherever you stick him...at least it's better than having Hamspud lumbering around with his cricket bat arms and club feet in between tapping the ball down the throats of opposition rovers...
Agreed.
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Ruckman don't chase, tackle much. Anyway.
For mine some of Tyrone best football come about when playing on the ball
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Watch his 6th goal vs the Pies. Great work rate.
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Watch his 6th goal vs the Pies. Great work rate.
Broken clock is right twice a day.
Vickery only plays on his own terms. Mostly a very lazy footballer, terrible attitude. Same can be said of Conca and it's evident in how they king-hit Cox/Smith respectively. Shows how poor their attitude an commitment is on the field. No discipline. Selfish acts, not team orientated.
Should have stuffed them both off years ago. Unfortunately Conca is a Hardwick favourite and Vickery is getting enough cheap goals with a couple of well-earned here and there to justify his spot in a generally weak AF forward line.
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Conca king hit Smith. Give me a break. Got a bridge here in NY I can sell you.
Agreed Ty needs to make the effort his norm. But some guys have effort and limited ability (Gordon and Morris spring to mind) and some have ability and need to learn the effort level. And yes he should know by now, but finally last year there were some signs of him getting it. With his ability if (possibly a big if) he gets the effort level right then we have a player. Hopefully 2016 will tell.
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lol what would you call Conca's hit on Smith? It was pathetic
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Obviously the tribunal didn't think is was a king hit as they only gave him two weeks.
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Is that sarcasm?
:lol
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Conca didn't knock Smith out, but it was a pathetic and cheap shot. His two weeks was considered a disgracefully weak punishment universally. And at the end of the day whether it was a king hit proper or not it still proves my point that he is selfish and doesn't do the team thing.
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Go watch the Hawks game. Interesting to see with Conca and Miles doing much of the inside grunt how much more time and space Trent had. I don't buy the Conca selfish bit. Stupid in his hit on Smith, no doubt. Selfish no way.
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Go watch the Hawks game. Interesting to see with Conca and Miles doing much of the inside grunt how much more time and space Trent had. I don't buy the Conca selfish bit. Stupid in his hit on Smith, no doubt. Selfish no way.
Conca kicks on and finds a spot in the side
Corey Ellis and vlastuin are given proper mins in the guts
:pray
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Conca didn't knock Smith out, but it was a pathetic and cheap shot. His two weeks was considered a disgracefully weak punishment universally. And at the end of the day whether it was a king hit proper or not it still proves my point that he is selfish and doesn't do the team thing.
He's done it once ffs - people need to let that one go
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Pretend to be a walrus once and it's the end of the world
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Go watch the Hawks game. Interesting to see with Conca and Miles doing much of the inside grunt how much more time and space Trent had. I don't buy the Conca selfish bit. Stupid in his hit on Smith, no doubt. Selfish no way.
I'm referring to the cheap shot itself as selfish. It cost the team, and was entirely a personal thing to do because he wanted to get his own back.
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Go watch the Hawks game. Interesting to see with Conca and Miles doing much of the inside grunt how much more time and space Trent had. I don't buy the Conca selfish bit. Stupid in his hit on Smith, no doubt. Selfish no way.
Yep, I said at the time of his inclusion for the EF that if he could replicate his Hawks game, we would be far better off.
Unfortunately wasn't quite fit enough IMO
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If Cleve Hughes could replicate his game against Port Adelaide from 2008, he would be kicking 120 goals per season at AFL level. One swallow doesn't make an AFL footballer, unless you're one of Dimmas faves ;D
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...this one time in band camp....
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Yeah but he kicked 100 odd goals so he's doing something right
Tyrone-Maric ruck ...
Reiwoldt-McBean- forward
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The last few comments were in reference to Conca, not Vickery....
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I saw cleve Hughes and vomited my mistake
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Conca game vs hawthorn was indeed pretty good
It was not the only solid footy he has shown. 23, could improve if he less fat
Conca
Lambert
Houli
Types
Are all pretty much c graders. Hopefully someone pulls the finger out
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Imagine a forward line of Clean Knees, Lamp Post & Mr. Pia.... :shh
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Imagine a forward line of Clean Knees, Lamp Post & Mr. Pia.... :shh
Pretend there is no riewoldt, Now imagine a fwd line consisting Vickery, Griffiths, & Maric. Is it really that much better. It sure aint gunna win you any important games.
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Will be a dead set weapon next year! :thumbsup
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Will be a dead set weapon next year! :thumbsup
Would like a dollar for every time i have heard that about the big girls blouse.
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Will be a dead set weapon next year! :thumbsup
Would like a dollar for every time i have heard that about the big girls blouse.
Mate he is on the improve and he was very good last year, particularly in the second half.
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Will be a dead set weapon next year! :thumbsup
Would like a dollar for every time i have heard that about the big girls blouse.
Mate he is on the improve and he was very good last year, particularly in the second half.
PPPPFFFTTTT iyo of course. We should have had him up for trade i absolutely hate pea hearts.
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Claw, is there a Richmond player you haven't had a whinge about you big stuffing sook?
Can just imagine us winning a flag. Claw will be on here a day after the game telling us we're lucky, it means nothing unless we can back it up with a 3-peat. What joy could you possibly get out of following Richmond
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Will be a dead set weapon next year! :thumbsup
Would like a dollar for every time i have heard that about the big girls blouse.
Mate he is on the improve and he was very good last year, particularly in the second half.
PPPPFFFTTTT iyo of course. We should have had him up for trade i absolutely hate pea hearts.
We should have had Conca, Morris, Batchelor and Ellis up for trade before Ty.
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Imagine a forward line of Clean Knees, Lamp Post & Mr. Pia.... :shh
Pretend there is no riewoldt, Now imagine a fwd line consisting Vickery, Griffiths, & Maric. Is it really that much better. It sure aint gunna win you any important games.
I think you've forgotten just how horrid those three were.....Geez, even a forward line of A. Edwards, Hamspud & Chaplin would be better...
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...well ok...maybe not Hamspud....
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Claw, is there a Richmond player you haven't had a whinge about you big stuffing sook?
Can just imagine us winning a flag. Claw will be on here a day after the game telling us we're lucky, it means nothing unless we can back it up with a 3-peat. What joy could you possibly get out of following Richmond
Hmm good question, Probably not but i mainly focus on strengths weaknesses and overall performances. Every player has the first two but decent players perform to a decent level consistently.
Petey it would be a good argument but the simple FACTS ARE it has been 33yrs since we remotely looked like winning a flag. In that time we are easily the worst performed club in the comp.
In the last 14 years we have not won a final and if honesty comes into it we have not remotely looked like winning one, even over the last three years.
We have got close to where we are RIGHT NOW OVER THE LAST 33 YEARS. Yet we fail to become play makers, yes play makers is the right phrase. Its like we finally get close and close the gap and then someone else changes the way the game goes.
We are not innovators and we dont set the trend, nope we mimick albeit slowly what has gone before get on a level footing and invariably fall back.
The bae r is set so low at the club not just the club but the supporters themselves any little victory weather its good or bad the old hat is hung on it.
This administration is widely acclaimed and fair enough rightly so.But for what? ffs we could noy have gone backwards otherwise we would not exist. Imo they have done the easy yards its time to make the hard calls it is time to be brutal as far as the list and the footy dept goes.
You want success make the calls.
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Ty and Arina are getting married.
Arina Rodionova juggles Ty Vickery and tennis
Herald-Sun
December 16, 2015
From stylish moves to record scores, these are the most exciting, silly and downright crazy plays in the sporting world this week.
Arina Rodionova received just the birthday present she was after at the Australian Open wildcard play-offs on Tuesday, and with a bit of luck she might get the perfect wedding gift on Sunday.
The No.2 seed turned 26 the same day she defeated Angelique Svinos in the first round of the play-offs and could clinch a wildcard entry into the main draw of the 2016 Australian Open the day after she marries Richmond AFL player Ty Vickery.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/arina-rodionova-juggles-ty-vickery-and-tennis-20151215-gloi2s.html#ixzz3udB0Kf9n
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So whose giving away Vickery?
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Tidy work from the big weirdo, just quietly. Only just peeling my hand off it. Like, whaoh!
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So whose giving away Vickery?
Dan Richardson for pick 110 in 2018.
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So whose giving away Vickery?
Dan Richardson for pick 110 in 2018.
:lol
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Hopefully he will put in a full game performance for his wedding night
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Match won — now it’s time to get married
Arina Rodionova and Ty Vickery will be married today.
Herald-Sun
19 December 2015
VICTORIAN tennis player Arina Rodionova couldn’t have asked for a more appropriate wedding present for herself.
She will be restricted to a few celebratory drinks after her marriage to Richmond forward Ty Vickery later today as she has a shot at an Australian Open singles berth tomorrow.
Rodionova had to labour for more than two hours in 36 degrees heat to outlast West Australian left-hander Storm Sanders 1-6 6-4 7-5 in their brutal wildcard playoff semi-final at Melbourne Park.
“I’ve got a few hours now to get ready to marry the most amazing guy ever and I’m so looking forward to it,’’ Rodionova said.
“It’s going to be an amazing day. I have no idea how I won this match, I didn’t play well, but I just fought to the end and I guess that’s when it counts.
“Right now, I’m just so excited to get married in a few more hours.
“Getting married to Ty is like a fairytale for me and so this is just a little bonus. It’s a good day all around.’’
Arina Rodionova will compete for a berth in the Australian Open singles tomorrow.
Dressed in a long-sleeve white top, white skirt and wearing a white cap, Rodionova twice had to pull back from service breaks against her in the third set to book a place in the final.
“I don’t think he would want to see me in this white dress, but I wore white because it’s 40 degrees outside. And yes, because of the wedding. I’m a bride today, so I might as well (wear a white tennis outfit),’’ the Russian-born player said.
“I’m rushing home to get ready, take a few photos and go to the gardens and, hopefully, say I do.
“I might put some photos on social media. I really love my dress, my family does too and, hopefully, Ty will as well.’’
She seemed distracted as she lost the first five games of the match, trailed 0-2 in the third set and had to scramble to stay alive when Sanders served for the match with a 5-3 lead.
“It was really tough to play today because obviously the wedding was on my mind and I was thinking ‘what am I doing here?’ I’m just so happy I got through today.,’’ Rodionova said.
“It has been a crazy few weeks and there’s so many things on my mind. I didn’t play my best game because it was so tough to focus.’’
Naturally, Vickery, her boyfriend of three years, didn’t have his usual courtside seat to watch her play.
“No, he’s not allowed to see me today before the wedding. Traditional, eh. I don’t think he would have even watched it (live streaming), he would be too nervous,’’ she said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/tennis/arina-rodionova-has-ticked-off-one-important-thing-on-todays-todo-list/news-story/60f7b8a4bb2a0cfd3b19d08a3414a457
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https://twitter.com/arinarodionova
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:clapping
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I wonder if he will be as gay a husband as he is a footballer
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Tidy work from the big weirdo, just quietly. Only just peeling my hand off it. Like, whaoh!
Each to their own I guess. Geez Geez Wilbur!!! :huh
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She doesnt play to bad, hope we get a decent father/son out of the union... At least then Tyrone will have done something decent for the club :p
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VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2016-02-22/sandi-ban-elenis-debut-tiger-scare
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Pretty scary looking, he tried to mark the ball, despite the ball being up the other end of the ground, then stumbles and falls.
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Bizarre. Totally Bizarre.
Ty looks like he is hallucinating . :huh :huh
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What a stuffn idiot.
He's a total loser.
Who cares if he was hot.
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Ty is a gun.
Looks awkward but one of our best kicks for goal.
Doesn't take crap from anyone.
http://youtu.be/mfzKCjA64bY
http://youtu.be/QnedQhiZ7-A
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Tyrone another one of the mob whose time it is, to either put up or shut up
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Ty is a gun.
Of course he is Matty...of course he is....
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New posting rules for OER
1) Don't ever ever say ANYTHING remotely positive about Richmond players or the club in general or you will be held up to ridicule.
Exhibit A
Ty is a gun.
Of course he is Matty...of course he is....
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New posting rules for OER
1) Don't ever ever say ANYTHING remotely positive about Richmond players or the club in general or you will be held up to ridicule.
Exhibit A
Ty is a gun.
Of course he is Matty...of course he is....
:thumbsup :bow
Why do you think i hardly post here Matty. I used to come on everyday and when i started i posted but its getting worse. TBH im spending less and less time here and more on Punt Road End, which is only slightly better but at least there are some positive posters.
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Back to the topic, ppl.
Vickery to undergo a concussion test according to Burge:
Vickery, who was taken from the ground in the first quarter, would be assessed later this week.
“It’s standard concussion. He’ll go through the process with the Club doctor and have a concussion test later in the week,” Burge said.
“We take a strong approach to concussion and we have to go through a few hoops before we could consider him to play.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-02-23/key-forwards-to-face-tests-as-astbury-misses
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Seriously who does something like this happen to?
Only Vickery.
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Seriously who does something like this happen to?
Only Vickery.
Benny Griffiths says hello. Can't even contest the ruck without getting knocked out.
What about silly Rance missing 7 crucial weeks in 2014 after falling off his push bike.
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Vickery gets knocked out by nobody.
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Wouldn't mind seeing Vickery pick a fight with somebody a bit tougher, like Taylor Walker maybe...
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Seriously who does something like this happen to?
Only Vickery.
Benny Griffiths says hello. Can't even contest the ruck without getting knocked out.
What about silly Rance missing 7 crucial weeks in 2014 after falling off his push bike.
I'd say a shoulder to the head from a 120kg guy would cause a bit of damage, no matter who you were. Having said that, Ben is made out of brittle material.....
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Seriously who does something like this happen to?
Only Vickery.
It's the rakes I tell ya!
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:lol
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Tigers mystified by Vickery collapse
Herald-Sun
February 24, 2016
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AFL: Richmond is still looking for answers as to how Ty Vickery left last week's NAB Challenge match against Fremantle with symptoms of concussion. Footage emerged of Vickery leaping for a mark before stumbling to the ground with the ball nowhere in sight.
RICHMOND admits it is mystified by Tyrone Vickery’s dramatic collapse against Fremantle which saw him attempting a mark while 80m from the ball.
The Tigers forward has been diagnosed with concussion despite Richmond finding no incident on game footage and Vickery being unaware of any heavy collision.
In footage captured by behind-the-goals cameras, he suddenly collapsed after becoming so dazed and confused he believed he was in a marking contest.
Vickery thrust his arms into the sky to mark while with opponent Alex Silvagni on the 50m mark as the ball was in a pack on the wing.
He will not play against Hawthorn on Saturday, with the club ruling out heatstroke as a cause of his collapse.
Richmond is hopeful his symptoms will subside but is treating his cause with caution given the uncertainty surrounding its cause.
Tigers football boss Dan Richardson told the Herald Sun opponent Alex Silvagni alerted doctors to Vickery’s condition after witnessing the incident.
“The symptoms are consistent with concussion but we have gone back and looked at the tape and he or we can’t ascertain where there might have been an earlier knock,’’ he said.
“As to when the incident took place, we can’t get a handle on it. He didn’t alert us to a knock prior to it and just before he took a mark and was moving OK and not showing any symptoms so it is a bit of a mystery in that sense.
“The doctors don’t think heat had anything to do with it. He won’t play this week and like with any concussion and head injuries we take it very seriously and make sure the player’s safety is our primary concern.
“He has had a couple of concussions previously but not severe concussions. The doctors will be very thorough and won’t be taking any risks. We think he will be OK.”
Richardson paid tribute to Silvagni for alerting club doctors.
“It is a credit to Fremantle and in particular Alex Silvagni who did his best to alert the umpire to something strange going on,’’ he said.
“Alex did the right thing and showed a duty of care to an opponent who was showing symptoms which were a bit strange.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-cant-explain-ty-vickerys-dramatic-collapse-against-fremantle/news-story/a64cd416895be21d0a9c9d1fadb857b0
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Can somebody just highlight where the rake is so we can all know.....(I'm sure someone here knows how).
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I can't see anything different?
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Rhett Bartlett has posted footage on his twitter account of Vickery and an incident they believed concussed him. It looks like friendly fire with a shoulder from of his team mates collecting in the side of his head. Footage is not greatest quality but looks convincing all the same.
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Rhett Bartlett @rhettrospective
I found the impact that caused Ty Vickery's concussion.
(link: https://vine.co/v/i6aIVn2eKwh) vine.co/v/i6aIVn2eKwh
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The Tigers aren't sure when he was injured but suspect it may have happened before the game.
"We heard that he might have got a knock in the warm-up. There's no vision of that to show if it did happen," Richmond stand-in coach Brendon Lade said.
"Ty's been in at the club all week. The doctors sent him off for some tests. He's fine at the moment.
"He'll have a week off ... and be ready to go the week after hopefully."
Vickery trained on Thursday but avoided contact drills. He completed light exercises on the boundary before the session began.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-25/vickery-to-miss-hawks-clash-after-mystery-concussion
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Rhett Bartlett has posted footage on his twitter account of Vickery and an incident they believed concussed him. It looks like friendly fire with a shoulder from of his team mates collecting in the side of his head. Footage is not greatest quality but looks convincing all the same.
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Rhett Bartlett @rhettrospective
I found the impact that caused Ty Vickery's concussion.
(link: https://vine.co/v/i6aIVn2eKwh) vine.co/v/i6aIVn2eKwh
Rhett Bartlett @rhettrospective
I reckon Vickery got his concussion at 17min 27sec mark. He collides with Nathan Broad. 3mins later- off the ground
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https://twitter.com/rhettrospective/status/702467957901754368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Good get by Rhett. The main thing is TV is okay.
The first vision of Ty being totally obvious to where the ball really was, reminded me a bit of that scene from The Club, although the reasons for Geoff Hayward's state of mind were very different to Ty's lol.
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you sure about that?
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you sure about that?
Even when non-concussed, Ty is just naturally a different cat :yep. We just need him onfield to produce consistently the form of his last 6 weeks of 2015.
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Typical Vickery jumping at shadows LOL or did he just faint from fright hhhhaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhh.He doesnt want to get too close to a contest the breeze may knock him over hhhhaaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh.
In all seriousness i have a bit of sympathy for him in this. Sometimes it only takes a small knock in the right spot to make you go ga ga.Still its freakin funny.
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He's a stuffn mental case.
FHO!
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He must have been pretty out of it, he was actually in front of his man during a marking contest
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TV isn't Wayne Carey but the sad thing is he is our second best KPF.
And without many other forwards that contribute to the scoreboard consistently we need him fit and healthy.
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Interesting no one has mentiomed his team mate who when Ty collapsed on the ground looked down at him and then walked away :o
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Interesting no one has mentiomed his team mate who when Ty collapsed on the ground looked down at him and then walked away :o
I noticed it and was going to mention that he should be the target of the criticism not Ty.
Was also going to mention that yellowandblackblood made a comment about Shane tuck being knocked out in a boxing match and was vilified by some yet it seems ok to bag Ty.
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Interesting no one has mentiomed his team mate who when Ty collapsed on the ground looked down at him and then walked away :o
I noticed it and was going to mention that he should be the target of the criticism not Ty.
Was also going to mention that yellowandblackblood made a comment about Shane tuck being knocked out in a boxing match and was vilified by some yet it seems ok to bag Ty.
Yep fair call.
Understand Ty polarises opinion, I'm one of his biggest critics. But to be critical or ridicule Ty for thie is poor form IMHO
As for his team mate hope he's been read the riot act, it was poor, really poor
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Who was it , no need for secret squirrel around here, we re all mates :shh
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Richmond forward Ty Vickery recovered from concussion according to Ivan Maric
Larissa Nicholson
The Age
February 27, 2016
Ty Vickery is back in good health after suffering a concussion during last Friday's NAB Challenge game against Fremantle, says fellow Richmond big man Ivan Maric.
After the game, concerning footage came to light which showed a clearly dazed Vickery appear to leap for the ball, even though it was 50 metres away, then falling to the ground.
Ruckman Maric told SEN that the other players had been worried about Vickery, but he had recovered from the incident.
"Ty's going good, he did a bit of training, he actually did a few competitive drills yesterday, he's doing really well and back to himself around the club," he said.
Club president Brendon Gale said while the video of the incident was concerning, staff continued to monitor his recovery.
"He'll be assessed with the normal concussion test almost daily I would have thought," Gale said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-forward-ty-vickery-recovered-from-concussion-according-to-ivan-maric-20160225-gn433t.html
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TV isn't Wayne Carey but the sad thing is he is our second best KPF.
And without many other forwards that contribute to the scoreboard consistently we need him fit and healthy.
Sadly i have to agree.
Sadly we continue to put little investment into the area thu trades or very good picks.
Keep on saying it we have two quality kpp's imo it should not be too hard to upgrade on the rest atm. Every year that goes by without doing something substantial means we fall behind in the area and will take longer to fix..
People know it takes much longer to get young talls up to speed but we continue to put all of our eggs in so few baskets.
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Hearing we're going hard at Hogan.... :shh
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Hearing we're going hard at Hogan.... :shh
Would be very difficult. Demons could give him half the salary cap to keep him. We can't.
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Hearing we're going hard at Hogan.... :shh
Would be very difficult. Demons could give him half the salary cap to keep him. We can't.
He might wanna play somewhere less poo than the dees
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Hearing we're going hard at Hogan.... :shh
What for 2018?
He's contracted to the Dees until the end of 2017
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Hearing we're going hard at Hogan.... :shh
Would be very difficult. Demons could give him half the salary cap to keep him. We can't.
He might wanna play somewhere less poo than the dees
:clapping
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 just said Vickery has undergone numerous tests and there's no word on when he'll return to playing. Stevens said the tests are just not for concussion.
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Gee I hope he is going to be ok, need him in the forward line.
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Bloody hell
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Afl should allow us top up players
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Personally it's not a nice thing to see a player totally out of it. You never know it could be career ending but I hope not. You've got a long life after footy so any head knocks have to be taken very seriously
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Afl should allow us top up players
Yes. One for Ty and one for having to have Chaplin on the list. Oh yes, I forgot Bents, one also for Grigg. :snidegrin
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Vickery off with the pixies, Mitch Clarke McKenzie about to walk, Griffiths an injury prone shytetruck, Chaplin an even bigger joke up forward than he was down back....surely Dimwick will have to Unleash the Bean at some point...
Hearing we're going hard at Hogan.... :shh
What for 2018?
He's contracted to the Dees until the end of 2017
Yes - 2018.
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Hearing we're going hard at Hogan.... :shh
Lol another big fish we are going to land. Why would he even want to leave Melbourne an unsuccessful club with potential to come to us another unsuccessful club with some talent.
Imo IF he ever leaves Melbourne he will be at WCE or Fremantle.
Vickery off with the pixies, Mitch Clarke McKenzie about to walk, Griffiths an injury prone shytetruck, Chaplin an even bigger joke up forward than he was down back....surely Dimwick will have to Unleash the Bean at some point...
Hearing we're going hard at Hogan.... :shh
What for 2018?
He's contracted to the Dees until the end of 2017
Yes - 2018.
What are you implying here bud, I have it on good authority there is nothing wrong with our tall stocks LOL.
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Cause he would play next to rioli. Riewoldt. Chol Edwards
And have lids martin Cotchin kick innit to him?
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Tiger Ty clear to play
Michael Gleeson
The Age
March 1, 2016
Dazed and confused Richmond forward Ty Vickery is likely to play in the final NAB Challenge match after being cleared by medical scans from a bizarre incident in the first pre-season game.
Vickery inexplicably jumped for a mark when the ball was almost 100 metres away, then collapsed to the ground in the match against Fremantle.
He was thought to have possibly had a knock in the warm up and then a head collision in a contest early in the match.
He has since undergone brain scans and cardio tests which have cleared him of any on going damage. He returned to non-contact training last week without incident
Richmond football manager Dan Richardson said he will have another final test before playing, as required under AFL medical provisions, but with Richmond not scheduled to play this week he expected Vickery to be in the side for the final NAB Challenge game in a fortnight.
"He has had all the normal tests you would have for concussion and he has been fine, he has been cleared in all of those so we are still don't know exactly what caused it but doctors have cleared him of any ongoing issues," Richardson said.
"He has recovered fine, he is back in training. He has not had any symptoms since. I would think he would play Nab 3 without necessarily having had a lot of discission about that team yet because we don't play this week and have just played Nab 2."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nab-challenge-2016-richmond-forward-ty-vickery-clear-to-play-after-concussion-20160229-gn6r7h.html
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I was at the club today for the annual IS coterie group photo with the team
Spoke to Ty, he said he's right to go :clapping
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Excellent.
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I was at the club today for the annual IS coterie group photo with the team
Spoke to Ty, he said he's right to go :clapping
Did yours ask him about his cameo's?
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Did you ask him, where he was ready to go?
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I was at the club today for the annual IS coterie group photo with the team
Spoke to Ty, he said he's right to go :clapping
Did yours ask him about his cameo's?
:lol
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Ty at the RFC team photo day yesterday ...
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Source: AFL photos (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202016%20Media%20-%20Richmond%20Team%20Photo%20Day&image_id=420565)
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How's them crossed legs
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Martin Prince: Individually we are weak, like a single twig, but as a bundle we form a mighty sissy
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lol at the hardly prudes collecting a sissy of sticks
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A beautiful mind?
Nobel prize winner John Nash, a brilliant but asocial mathematician, secretly helped the government with his work in cryptography, but his life took a nightmarish turn into paranoia.
Dr Henry Jekyll & Mr Edward Hyde, the short story of a man tortured by dualistic personalities and split personality disorder.
Writer, producer, animator, Matt Groening was inspired to include this theme in his long running satirical depiction of middle class America when he introduced us to Dr. Robert Underdunk Terwilliger, Jr., aka Sideshow Bob. The first we see of Bob he is simplistic, his only form of communication - a slide whistle, but on further discovery we encounter the magniloquent Dr Robert Terwilliger, a self-proclaimed genius, graduate of Yale university, criminal mastermind, former Mayor of Springfield & Salsiccia, a champion of high culture with an intense love for musical theatre.
However, despite all his achievements & genius, he is still hampered by his gigantic feet, constantly outwitted by a ten year old boy & can never escape his most persistent nemesis, the common garden rake.
After seeing Ty's disturbing episode in Mandurah, I've been musing some plausible reasoning to this most recent bizarre act.
Commonly known to be the most genius of the current list of players at Tigerland, the most probable explanation is that he too suffers from this apparent defect that has afflicted those aforementioned intellectual greats.
This would then explain the reason it is, that included amongst his cameo performances of high standard, why we still see the regular on-field lapses of concentration & disinterest. In Vickery's mind however, he is actually still performing to the required high standard but in actuality he is only wandering the ground not contesting, not competing, not chasing and not getting the ball, whilst back in his mind he is chasing down tackles, taking screamers and bagging goals from the boundary. This apparent delusion manifesting itself in the first quarter at Mandurah for all to see.
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I was at the club today for the annual IS coterie group photo with the team
Spoke to Ty, he said he's right to go :clapping
Thats great news. BTW was yarran floating around and if yes does he seem upbeat?
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I was at the club today for the annual IS coterie group photo with the team
Spoke to Ty, he said he's right to go :clapping
Thats great news. BTW was yarran oating around and if yes does he seem upbeat?
Dodnt see hom, he was at the other end of photo
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He was busy at the refreshments table
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I was at the club today for the annual IS coterie group photo with the team
Spoke to Ty, he said he's right to go :clapping
Thats great news. BTW was yarran oating around and if yes does he seem upbeat?
Dodnt see hom, he was at the other end of photo
Thanks for the info
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Ty Vickery has been reassured his mystery collapse was a one-off
March 8, 2016 8:54pm
AAP
RICHMOND forward Ty Vickery is still unsure what caused his dramatic collapse last month in a pre-season game.
But several tests have reassured the Tigers big man that the bizarre incident was a one-off.
Vickery is set to return to the side for Thursday night’s final NAB Challenge match against Port Adelaide at Etihad Stadium.
Early in their opening pre-season game against Fremantle, Vickery attempted to mark the ball even though it was about 50m away.
The dazed player then collapsed and was helped from the field shortly after.
Vickery missed their second NAB Challenge match as he went through the tests.
“I’m good — it’s a bit of a strange event that happened, but I’ve ticked a lot of boxes since,” he said.
“I’ve gone through a lot of tests and built up training. I’ve been fine for a couple of weeks.”
He added the footage of his dazed state was disturbing.
“I was surprised — I had no idea, I thought I’d just collapsed,” he said.
“I remember waking up on the ground.
“It was obviously pretty tough to see, particularly for my family and not having those answers initially.”
Vickery said he had trained hard for the last couple of weeks and is not worried in the wake of the incident.
“We’re not quite sure and provided it doesn’t happen again, it’s probably not too big a deal, not knowing,” he said.
“If it does, it obviously is a problem.
“I did extensive testing on my brain and my heart throughout the nine days afterwards and they all came out clear.
“It’s a one-off, hopefully.”
The Monday after the game, Vickery met with the club doctor and it was made clear that he would not return to playing without the thorough series of tests.
“It was quite intimidating and then ticking them off one, two a day for a week was really tough,” he said.
Vickery also praised Fremantle opponent Alex Silvagni, who helped him in the immediate aftermath of the episode.
“I remember him actually talking to me, telling me I will be okay and trying to stop the game,” he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ty-vickery-has-been-reassured-his-mystery-collapse-was-a-oneoff/news-story/b33774a020c991509911754a75872799
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Testing time for Ty Vickery ahead of Tiger return
AFL.com.au
March 8, 2016
TYRONE Vickery underwent extensive testing of his brain and heart before being cleared to play in Thursday night's NAB Challenge match against Port Adelaide.
Vision of the Richmond big man in a disoriented state during the Tigers' first NAB Challenge match against Fremantle was cause for plenty of concern.
Despite the football being on the opposite side of the ground at the time, Vickery attempted to mark what he thought was the ball coming at him before falling to the ground.
He was helped from the field shortly afterwards.
"When I went to the club on Monday (after the game) and they outlined all the tests that I'd need to be doing before we can think about playing again, that was quite intimidating," Vickery said at the AFL Players' Association season launch.
"Ticking them off one-by-one for a week was really tough. It was very mentally draining and a worrying time, particularly for my family and friends at the club."
The 25-year-old is still not sure whether he was experiencing delayed concussion symptoms or whether the warm conditions in Mandurah were a factor in his episode.
"I thought I collapsed and then I remember waking up on the ground," Vickery said.
"It was really tough to see [the vision], particularly for my family and not having those answers initially.
"(Dockers defender) Alex Silvagni was really good in the situation. He helped me up and I remember him actually talking to me telling me that I'll be OK and he was the one who stopped the game."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/testing-time-for-ty-vickery-ahead-of-tiger-return
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I still maintain that it was his most purposeful movement for a mark since he began at the club
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Hopefully one of the trainers carries a baseball bat tomorrow night in case his marking efforts arent satisfactory. Maybe a few clubs to the noggin might just jolt him into action. Seriously though if Ty consistently performs then we as a team look so much better. He's the missing link but i dont think he realises how vital he is to the success of the side moving forward.
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Still reckon he's far better on the ball - if only he could ruck to a decent level.
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One great thing about Vicks is that he is a good set shot.
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Testing time for Ty Vickery ahead of Tiger return
AFL.com.au
March 8, 2016
TYRONE Vickery underwent extensive testing of his brain and heart before being cleared to play in Thursday night's NAB Challenge match against Port Adelaide.
Its a beat up how can they test things he doesn't have lol.
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Testing time for Ty Vickery ahead of Tiger return
AFL.com.au
March 8, 2016
TYRONE Vickery underwent extensive testing of his brain and heart before being cleared to play in Thursday night's NAB Challenge match against Port Adelaide.
Its a beat up how can they test things he doesn't have lol.
Think he would have most posters on here covered and some by a fair shot ;)
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:clapping
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One great thing about Vicks is that he is a good set shot.
This is true. Still prefer him on ball though.
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I still maintain that it was his most purposeful movement for a mark since he began at the club
Don't make jokes about stuff like that
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Testing time for Ty Vickery ahead of Tiger return
AFL.com.au
March 8, 2016
TYRONE Vickery underwent extensive testing of his brain and heart before being cleared to play in Thursday night's NAB Challenge match against Port Adelaide.
Its a beat up how can they test things he doesn't have lol.
geez you let yourself down sometimes by posting like a 12 year old girl
stick to the footy analytics and posters may actually read your stuff
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Testing time for Ty Vickery ahead of Tiger return
AFL.com.au
March 8, 2016
TYRONE Vickery underwent extensive testing of his brain and heart before being cleared to play in Thursday night's NAB Challenge match against Port Adelaide.
Its a beat up how can they test things he doesn't have lol.
geez you let yourself down sometimes by posting like a 12 year old girl
stick to the footy analytics and posters may actually read your stuff
Joke humour that sort of thing. Thought the lol would have given it away.
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Mr Funny has entered the building
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Mr Funny has entered the building
Why thank you young man im glad you get the humour. :snidegrin
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One great thing about Vicks is that he is a good set shot.
This is true. Still prefer him on ball though.
I can agree with this. Was useless against Port up forward for the most part, could barely make a contest and the moment he went on ball he got a string of touches. He's actually quite good around packs, agile for a big man and doesn't have time to think and uses his instincts and usually gets the ball rolling forward quite effectively
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In fairness to him, our delivery inside 50 was awful last night.
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Did he actually wait until the ball came into the forward 50 before he tried to mark it?
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Did he actually wait until the ball came into the forward 50 before he tried to mark it?
Yeah but he was back to waiting behind his man to do it
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I don't think Ty will ever be better than an average forward. His numbers are inflated by kicking cheap goals. His attack on the contest and general presence is still poor tbh.
I agree with a few others here that he looks good in the ruck at times. His agility stands and clean hands stand out in this part of the ground. If, and it's a big if, he can develop some agro I still hold out hope he could transition into a decent ruck.
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Ronaldo scores from 3 yards every goal
A cheap goal is worth as much as an 'expensive' goal
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Ronaldo scores from 3 yards every goal
A cheap goal is worth as much as an 'expensive' goal
Not exactly. Ty's 2nd cheap goal actually cost us 3 points.
Finding blokes who can kick 40 goals a season isn't particularly hard. There are plenty of Jack Anthony's, Mitch Morton's etc. who eventually get found out. I reckon if we played Sam Lloyd deep forward all year he'd kick 40.
I'm not saying Ty plays the same role as these blokes just saying that generally blokes who kick a lot of cheap goals don't offer a lot else.
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Did he actually wait until the ball came into the forward 50 before he tried to mark it?
Yeah but he was back to waiting behind his man to do it
I agree.
This is one of two huge weaknesses in his game.
He should put himself in front more and use his bum to keep the defender behind him from spoiling him. At 200cm you should have an advantage. No use waiting at the back for cheapies. Our smalls should be positioned front and centre and out the back waiting for that. Tyrone should be competing for the mark creating the contest.
His other weakness is letting his defender rebound too easily.
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Did he actually wait until the ball came into the forward 50 before he tried to mark it?
Yeah but he was back to waiting behind his man to do it
I agree.
This is one of two huge weaknesses in his game.
He should put himself in front more and use his bum to keep the defender behind him from spoiling him. At 200cm you should have an advantage. No use waiting at the back for cheapies. Our smalls should be positioned front and centre and out the back waiting for that. Tyrone should be competing for the mark creating the contest.
His other weakness is letting his defender rebound too easily.
I know I will get slammed for this but I think Griffiths is a better forward. If Griffiths didnt get injured every second game (slight exageration) he would be miles ahead. Vickery was poor against Port and apart from a small patch towards the end of last year and a patch about 3 years before he has not been great. Lets hope we see some more of that end of last years stuff soon.
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Too bad Griffiths hasn't been able to hit the side of a barn for two years....if we have to play him , I'd rather play him down back ahead of Chaplin...if nothing else, at least he can clear the forward press and get it back to the middle in one kick...
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I think Griffiths has really stagnated , he looks like a more natural footballer than Vickery ( who looks awkward in comparison) but results don't lie.
31.9 to 12.14 ....its not even a contest.
I wouldn't mind seeing how Griff goes in defence again as an alternative to Chaplin.
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Too bad Griffiths hasn't been able to hit the side of a barn for two years....if we have to play him , I'd rather play him down back ahead of Chaplin...if nothing else, at least he can clear the forward press and get it back to the middle in one kick...
Can't wait for another Hampson dud to monster Griff in the backline so we can recruit them
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I think Griffiths has really stagnated , he looks like a more natural footballer than Vickery ( who looks awkward in comparison) but results don't lie.
31.9 to 12.14 ....its not even a contest.
I wouldn't mind seeing how Griff goes in defence again as an alternative to Chaplin.
you and half planet earths population
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Too bad Griffiths hasn't been able to hit the side of a barn for two years....if we have to play him , I'd rather play him down back ahead of Chaplin...if nothing else, at least he can clear the forward press and get it back to the middle in one kick...
Can't wait for another Hampson dud to monster Griff in the backline so we can recruit them
Yeah we're much better off sticking with a bloke who get's monstered by Nahas....
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Wouldn't happen to Griff. Would never get his hands on the ball
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Hmmm....Griffiths not getting the ball, Chaplin getting the ball....po-tay-to, po-tah-to...
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Wouldn't happen to Griff. Would never get his hands on the ball
where as the current benchmark chapy-key defender is a possession gathering machine
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Wouldn't happen to Griff. Would never get his hands on the ball
where as the current benchmark chapy-key defender is a possession gathering machine
Averaged 15 a game last year which is above average for a kpd :-\
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'loose' man is expect to get the ball ...
at the same time murphy, hurn, hodge/mitchell, mcveigh types are getting 30 and using it in a damaging manner up the other end
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Ronaldo scores from 3 yards every goal
A cheap goal is worth as much as an 'expensive' goal
Not exactly. Ty's 2nd cheap goal actually cost us 3 points.
Finding blokes who can kick 40 goals a season isn't particularly hard. There are plenty of Jack Anthony's, Mitch Morton's etc. who eventually get found out. I reckon if we played Sam Lloyd deep forward all year he'd kick 40.
I'm not saying Ty plays the same role as these blokes just saying that generally blokes who kick a lot of cheap goals don't offer a lot else.
can you elaborate or say what you mean in a more coherent manner please good sir
I am far from enamored with tyrone, (nor b ellis while we are at it). However he finshed with 4, 6, 2, 3, 2 goals from round 20 to the final. albeit against middling clubs
For the sake of discussion: people to more than 52 goals 2015
breust,
wingard,
jack reiwoldt,
stringer
, gunston,
walker,
cameron,
betts,
kennedy
all pretty much top draw
if you look at the dozen or so that kicked between 40-50 goals last AFL season; there are not many duds in that group
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2015&rt=LT&st=GO
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I'd say there's plenty of duds actually. Bruce, Shulz, Hill and Garlett are all average at best footballers for mine. Interesting they're all that 2nd club after being discarded from their first club when they weren't in the best 22 (all in non-finals sides as well). Dickson who kicked 50 last year was picked up as a 24 year old.
These are all blokes who kicked 40 or more last years. My point is plenty of ordinary footballers can kick goals and if that's all you want in a footballer then it's not that hard to find.
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I'd say there's plenty of duds actually. Bruce, Shulz, Hill and Garlett are all average at best footballers for mine. Interesting they're all that 2nd club after being discarded from their first club when they weren't in the best 22 (all in non-finals sides as well). Dickson who kicked 50 last year was picked up as a 24 year old.
These are all blokes who kicked 40 or more last years. My point is plenty of ordinary footballers can kick goals and if that's all you want in a footballer then it's not that hard to find.
It's been pretty hard for FJ and BH and they all reckon that our ruck stocks were adequate.
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I feel sorry for FJ and BH. So much unforseeable bad luck.
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I'd say there's plenty of duds actually. Bruce, Shulz, Hill and Garlett are all average at best footballers for mine. Interesting they're all that 2nd club after being discarded from their first club when they weren't in the best 22 (all in non-finals sides as well). Dickson who kicked 50 last year was picked up as a 24 year old.
These are all blokes who kicked 40 or more last years. My point is plenty of ordinary footballers can kick goals and if that's all you want in a footballer then it's not that hard to find.
We'll that's four
Not sure if that qualifies as plenty
- hill would be fairly handy in place of grigg or conca
- Schultz could be decent foil to jack
- there has been plenty of garlett discussion
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I'd say there's plenty of duds actually. Bruce, Shulz, Hill and Garlett are all average at best footballers for mine. Interesting they're all that 2nd club after being discarded from their first club when they weren't in the best 22 (all in non-finals sides as well). Dickson who kicked 50 last year was picked up as a 24 year old.
These are all blokes who kicked 40 or more last years. My point is plenty of ordinary footballers can kick goals and if that's all you want in a footballer then it's not that hard to find.
We'll that's four
Not sure if that qualifies as plenty
- hill would be fairly handy in place of grigg or conca
- Schultz could be decent foil to jack
- there has been plenty of garlett discussion
Add Jenkins to the list actually he's hopeless. Everitt, Brown and Cripps all kicked as many or more than Ty last year. All nothing footballers.
Of course there's plenty of blokes there who are good footballers. It's the top of the list after all. My point is there's plenty of state league footballers or blokes on lists who aren't getting a game who could get near 40 goals a season if they played deep forward.
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Yet now you are listing blokes that kicked as many goals as Tyrone , The forum agrees (a rare thing) ty has not been good enough. His career overall and last year. Overall you make a fair point and I somewhat agree.
Perhaps eight people kicking over 52 goals over the course of the year, and the Coleman winner kicking less and less, are signs goals are harder to come by
Tyrone stats over the 2nd half of last season , combined with his age mean he could still come good? Regardless Maric will need some help in the ruck. Unless hardwick continues with his flog the workhorse till it dies strategy
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Yeah I mostly agree with that.
Where I actually do hold out hope form Ty is as the Maric replacement. I just don't ever see him being an above average KPF.
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Dum Dum needs to stop watching the tape of Vickery's 6 goals in the easy rout of Collingwood and start watching the tape of his second half in the hard fought slog comeback win over Sydney. :shh
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I hope he can step up this season & be our mobile ruck :pray.
Maric is competitive but his best is past him and I'm not going to even comment on the rotten spud.
We need Vickery's to put his schizophrenic sideshow ways behind him and really take it up a level this season to stake a claim at replacing Maric at first ruck.
We also need the girl Griff to string some games together and take the permanent forward spot so Vickery's can develop as a permanent ruck option which in turn eases the load on Maric.
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I hope he can step up this season & be our mobile ruck :pray.
Maric is competitive but his best is past him and I'm not going to even comment on the rotten spud.
We need Vickery's to put his schizophrenic sideshow ways behind him and really take it up a level this season to stake a claim at replacing Maric at first ruck.
We also need the girl Griff to string some games together and take the permanent forward spot so Vickery's can develop as a permanent ruck option which in turn eases the load on Maric.
Yep. I've given up Griff though. If McBean is out of favour and Mackenzie can't get back then our KPF stocks are looking seriously slim.
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- Vickery and Maric in the ruck. (No sub rule , now )
- Chol and McBean playing off reiwoldt.
Grow some ball Dimma
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- Vickery and Maric in the ruck. (No sub rule , now )
- Chol and McBean playing off reiwoldt.
Grow some ball Dimma
LOL as soon as the ball went in that forward line it would be coming straight back out three times as fast unless riewoldt (or reiwoldt) got it, may as well throw Griffiths in it as well to make it the uber powered intensity forward lineof the centruy
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- Vickery and Maric in the ruck. (No sub rule , now )
- Chol and McBean playing off reiwoldt.
Grow some ball Dimma
LOL as soon as the ball went in that forward line it would be coming straight back out three times as fast unless riewoldt (or reiwoldt) got it, may as well throw Griffiths in it as well to make it the uber powered intensity forward lineof the centruy
Chol puts on more defensive pressure than any of option
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No he doesn't.
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Who has him covered ?
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Pretty much anyone who can run out more than half a game.
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Agreed with that; fitness is obviously a issue
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Pretty much anyone who can run out more than half a game.
Sub him
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Pretty much anyone who can run out more than half a game.
Sub him
No more sub rule the afl tossers change the laws if the game more than their undies , But you would have enough rotations with Maric, Vickery, McBean / or Griffiths,
I'll rephrase: chol puts on more pressure than any other option, for a quarter
He's not the only one that looked exhausted in the second quarter last game either.
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Talented tall forward Ty Vickery enters the 2016 season as a member of an exclusive group in Tigerland history.
Vickery is one of just 21 Richmond players (past or present) during the past 50 years, with 100 games-plus to their credit, averaging more than a goal a match.
The 25-year-old veteran of 102 league games for the Tigers has kicked 132 goals, with 44 of those coming in his past 21 senior appearances. He booted 31 goals in the 15 games he played last season.
The full list of 21 is here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-15/ty-treads-select-tiger-goal-path
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Cyclops, how many current afl players
Age 25 or under, have kicked 100 goals ?
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Cyclops, how many current afl players
Age 25 or under, have kicked 100 goals ?
Based on end of 2015:
Avg Goals/Games
J. Cameron 2.51 183/73
Jack Gunston 2.14 220/103
Michael Walters 1.96 141/72
Luke Bruest 1.93 224/116
Jack Darling 1.75 184/105
Chad Wingard 1.66 148/89
Tom Lynch 1.55 124/80
Jamie Elliot 1.44 104/72
Steven Motlop 1.31 115/88
Ty Vickery 1.29 132/102
Dusty Martin 1.08 141/131
P. Dangerfield 1.06 163/154
Michael Hurley 0.88 105/119
S. Sidebottom 0.74 106/143
Luke Shuey 0.89 99/111
Josh Green 1.39 97/70
Jake Stringer 1.88 94/50 (21 y.o.)
Charlie Dixon 1.45 94/65
There may be a couple I missed but they would be over 25 y.o. this year.
I took the figures from the last game of each club: http://afltables.com/afl/seas/2015.html#23
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thank you sir
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scary Gunston is that young, still, :-\
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Cyclops, how many current afl players
Age 25 or under, have kicked 100 goals ?
Based on end of 2015:
Avg Goals/Games
J. Cameron 2.51 183/73
Jack Gunston 2.14 220/103
Michael Walters 1.96 141/72
Luke Bruest 1.93 224/116
Jack Darling 1.75 184/105
Chad Wingard 1.66 148/89
Tom Lynch 1.55 124/80
Jamie Elliot 1.44 104/72
Steven Motlop 1.31 115/88
Ty Vickery 1.29 132/102
Dusty Martin 1.08 141/131
P. Dangerfield 1.06 163/154
Michael Hurley 0.88 105/119
S. Sidebottom 0.74 106/143
Luke Shuey 0.89 99/111
Josh Green 1.39 97/70
Jake Stringer 1.88 94/50 (21 y.o.)
Charlie Dixon 1.45 94/65
There may be a couple I missed but they would be over 25 y.o. this year.
I took the figures from the last game of each club: http://afltables.com/afl/seas/2015.html#23
My kingdom for Jeremy Cameron. Damn expansion, damn it all to hell.
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Vickery will be pivotal this year but must have consistency and some big games starting round one.
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FMD It really is more of the same. Kicked three goals but look at the resT of his game and one word describes it. HORRID.
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Walked off tonight as though he'd won an elimination final.
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Walked off tonight as though he'd won an elimination final.
Yep. Laughing and carrying on
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FMD It really is more of the same. Kicked three goals but look at the resT of his game and one word describes it. HORRID.
Hmmm
I was actually at the game and I haven't watched the replay so obviously I have a different perspective
Thought he was OK, not great, not terrible but OK. Played his role
I've been one of his harshest critics but last night he was solid without being outstanding
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FMD It really is more of the same. Kicked three goals but look at the resT of his game and one word describes it. HORRID.
Hmmm
I was actually at the game and I haven't watched the replay so obviously I have a different perspective
Thought he was OK, not great, not terrible but OK. Played his role
I've been one of his harshest critics but last night he was solid without being outstanding
I'll take WP's opinion here as the more credible
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claw's just crappy that Vickery's three goals contributed to him losing his money and the opportunity to gloat.
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FMD It really is more of the same. Kicked three goals but look at the resT of his game and one word describes it. HORRID.
Hmmm
I was actually at the game and I haven't watched the replay so obviously I have a different perspective
Thought he was OK, not great, not terrible but OK. Played his role
I've been one of his harshest critics but last night he was solid without being outstanding
Went ok last night. I was there too and he tried his guts out. He actually ran out of steam but was in the best.
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FMD It really is more of the same. Kicked three goals but look at the resT of his game and one word describes it. HORRID.
Hmmm
I was actually at the game and I haven't watched the replay so obviously I have a different perspective
Thought he was OK, not great, not terrible but OK. Played his role
I've been one of his harshest critics but last night he was solid without being outstanding
Went ok last night. I was there too and he tried his guts out. He actually ran out of steam but was in the best.
Yep l thought he played the deep leading up forward well.
This allowed Griffiths to pinch hit in the ruck more than I reckon they planned.
Hampson outside of giving us nothing around the ground, was clearly not fit. He was spent early in the 3rd
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Hampson outside of giving us nothing around the ground, was clearly not fit. He was spent early in the 3rd
Spent in the third but starred in the fourth.
:lol
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Didn't see his running as I was watching on TV but he still doesn't impact the contest. Disappointing for mine.
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Hampson outside of giving us nothing around the ground, was clearly not fit.
cause when megan is fit shes a possession gathering machine
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Hampson outside of giving us nothing around the ground, was clearly not fit. He was spent early in the 3rd
Spent in the third but starred in the fourth.
:lol
Starred?
Please! certainly didn't star and BTW he was rotated off a number of times in the last
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....and now we know why '65 mainly just spams the politics thread and hardly ever discusses football...
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....and now we know why '65 mainly just spams the politics thread and hardly ever discusses football...
I was quoting the coach.
:cheers
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Coach doesn't even post here anymore, what are you on about?
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Lmfao at this soft prick. What a pathetic excuse for a footballer he is.
Its been the same old same old this yr, a few cheap goals a game and the total lack of work ethic is papered over.I dont care if he kicks 60 goals this year it does not make up for his failings in all other areas.
Trouble is while he is there and while they continue to think he will be the answer they totally neglect to do anything about the area.
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Coach doesn't even post here anymore, what are you on about?
True. Haven't seen a post of his for several days now……….. :whistle
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Lmfao at this soft prick. What a pathetic excuse for a footballer he is.
Its been the same old same old this yr, a few cheap goals a game and the total lack of work ethic is papered over.I dont care if he kicks 60 goals this year it does not make up for his failings in all other areas.
Trouble is while he is there and while they continue to think he will be the answer they totally neglect to do anything about the area.
One thing is for sure, he isn't every going to be a decent ruckman. He was as bad as I have ever seen in the ruck on Friday night. He was to scared to even jump in the air. Him stepping around the opposition ruckman was disgusting!
I'm usually in Vickery's corner but he lost some respect from me from that effort.
I'd still take 60 goals from him though.
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I'd take pick 60 for him
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He's playing for his daddy.
Awwwwww
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He's playing for his daddy.
Awwwwww
Hopefully he gets deported too
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Would be nice if he would knock a few more blokes out before he moves on. Hopefully he can take our Leuenenenenenebergergegr this week so Maric can easy back into AFL level...
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Who Tyrone?
Cox was a one off... Don't think da got the ticker to knock anyone out
Bar himself
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Ty Vickery and Richmond in no rush for new contract
Daniel Cherny
The Age
24 April 2016
Richmond have started preliminary contract talks with forward Ty Vickery, but neither party appears to be in a hurry for a new deal to be signed.
Vickery is one of a host of Tigers whose contracts expire at season's end. He is also a restricted free agent, meaning he can walk if Richmond are unwilling to match another club's bid for his services.
It's understood both club and player will let the early part of the season unfold before talks ramp up between Richmond and Vickery's agent Winston Rous of Phoenix Sports Management.
Other Tigers whose deals end this year include David Astbury, Jake Batchelor, Bachar Houli, Ivan Maric, Shaun Hampson and Kane Lambert.
The Tigers say they are pleased with Vickery's early-season form, despite the club's broader on-field malaise, which has left the Tigers languishing at 1-3 heading into Sunday night's clash against Melbourne at the MCG.
Vickery, 25, has seven goals from four games so far this year. He has moved through the ruck at times, spending much of last week's game in that position after Hampson's involvement was ended through injury. Vickery's pre-season was interrupted after a mysterious incident during a NAB Challenge game against Fremantle which left him in a disoriented state.
The tall said on Friday that his form thus far in the campaign had been mixed. "I suppose it's been a bit reflective of the team. I've had some patches but throughout the whole game I haven't probably been as consistent as I need to be," Vickery said.
"I've got a role to play up forward, I need to keep getting to contests, and making them for the other players, and being really strong in them."
A first-round draft pick in 2008, Vickery has played 106 games across his seven and a bit seasons at Punt Road.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ty-vickery-and-richmond-in-no-rush-for-new-contract-20160423-godie6.html
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:pray
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Well I for one will be Pi ssed if he walks for nothing.
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"We are pleased with his early season form this year" Hahahaha
The s h i t m O n d way
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FHO
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Vickerys never in a hurry to do anything
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Well I for one will be Pi ssed if he walks for nothing.
Agree, we need to get what he is worth
Anyone got a half sucked lollipop
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Well I for one will be Pi ssed if he walks for nothing.
Agree, we need to get what he is worth
Anyone got a half sucked lollipop
As apposed to a fully sucked one (the stick) which is what we would get for Batch.. :snidegrin
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Vickerys never in a hurry to do anything
:lol
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why does this thread keep on slipping into oblivion. Another stirling performance from old softy today how freakin weak is he.
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What a disgrace he is.
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Can't take an overhead mark to save himself...
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why does this thread keep on slipping into oblivion. Another stirling performance from old softy today how freakin weak is he.
He is absolutely pathetic and pee weak :shh
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Can't blame Tyrone when you got dummies down the ground who continue to give the ball to the opposition who kick many goals. Ty is not the problem
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Can't blame Tyrone when you got dummies down the ground who continue to give the ball to the opposition who kick many goals. Ty is not the problem
Another player with an extraordinary ability to look fatigued all game when he has only ran 1 km. Pathetic player and weak week in week out :help
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I blame the football department that dont have the balls or courage to trade him last year.
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I blame the football department that dont have the balls or courage to trade him last year.
:clapping
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Can't blame Tyrone when you got dummies down the ground who continue to give the ball to the opposition who kick many goals. Ty is not the problem
Another player with an extraordinary ability to look fatigued all game when he has only ran 1 km. Pathetic player and weak week in week out :help
I actually think he's attacked contests better this year but for whatever he reason (fitness, desire, ball movement?) he just doesn't get to anywhere near enough of them.
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Couldn't judge the drop of a ball if his balls dropping depended on it.
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Drop Hamspud & Maric and make him play first ruck with back up from McBean for the rest of the year -or until round 12 when we can upgrade Chol. We'll get smashed in the hit outs but what else is new? At least he'll be forced to work harder and will give us more mobility around the ground. . I think he actually looks better on ball and is good in traffic for his size. Hamspud & Maric are like two giant sloths covered in treacle.
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Drop Hamspud & Maric and make him play first ruck with back up from McBean for the rest of the year -or until round 12 when we can upgrade Chol. We'll get smashed in the hit outs but what else is new? At least he'll be forced to work harder and will give us more mobility around the ground. . I think he actually looks better on ball and is good in traffic for his size. Hamspud & Maric are like two giant sloths covered in treacle.
You must have missed the Westcoast game.
To scared to even jump.
I've been one of the few that think Vic is ok but he lost me that night.
F him off too at the end of the year.
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Yeah I want him gone as well, but until then, I'd rather have a useless ruckman who can at least contribute around the ground, than a tap ruckman who can't play actually play football and a cooked ruckman who can barely move and can't jump anymore.
Still, if was up me it'd be Chol & McBean after round 11. Hell, at this point, I'd even chuck Soldo in if we could upgrade him as well.
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Vickery was atrocious against Port but I agree Maric appears gone and Hampson is atrocious. If Vickery was forced to work harder the team may benefit.
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Yeah I want him gone as well, but until then, I'd rather have a useless ruckman who can at least contribute around the ground, than a tap ruckman who can't play actually play football and a cooked ruckman who can barely move and can't jump anymore.
Still, if was up me it'd be Chol & McBean after round 11. Hell, at this point, I'd even chuck Soldo in if we could upgrade him as well.
I hate Griff more than most but IMO he is a better ruck option than Vickery.
Upgrade Chol now, put someone on the LTIL and get it done. I don't care who it is.
And lastly Soldo should never ever be considered. He is no good.
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Yeah I want him gone as well, but until then, I'd rather have a useless ruckman who can at least contribute around the ground, than a tap ruckman who can't play actually play football and a cooked ruckman who can barely move and can't jump anymore.
Still, if was up me it'd be Chol & McBean after round 11. Hell, at this point, I'd even chuck Soldo in if we could upgrade him as well.
I hate Griff more than most but IMO he is a better ruck option than Vickery.
Upgrade Chol now, put someone on the LTIL and get it done. I don't care who it is.
And lastly Soldo should never ever be considered. He is no good.
Soldo has played less than 50 games of footy in his life, he has shown amazing development so far.
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Vickery's lack of effort to chase is the result of a poo coach who doesn't drop players when they deserve to be.
Been a supporter or Ty's but no chase or effort to chase is simply not a quality you reward with a game in the 1's.
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Cool, welcome to Richmond Tyrone
Happy as with this pick-up
This is why you leave the opinions to the grow ups. :whistle
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Yeah I want him gone as well, but until then, I'd rather have a useless ruckman who can at least contribute around the ground, than a tap ruckman who can't play actually play football and a cooked ruckman who can barely move and can't jump anymore.
Still, if was up me it'd be Chol & McBean after round 11. Hell, at this point, I'd even chuck Soldo in if we could upgrade him as well.
I hate Griff more than most but IMO he is a better ruck option than Vickery.
Upgrade Chol now, put someone on the LTIL and get it done. I don't care who it is.
And lastly Soldo should never ever be considered. He is no good.
Lets put Chaplin on the LTIL with heartstring problem :whistle Soldo played like a young Dean Cox last night :clapping
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Trade this guy for anything.
Or free agency for compo.
ANYTHING.
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Cool, welcome to Richmond Tyrone
Happy as with this pick-up
This is why you leave the opinions to the grow ups. :whistle
Crap eight years at least I have been putting up with the little moaners and groaners on this forum, how time flies
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Cool, welcome to Richmond Tyrone
Happy as with this pick-up
This is why you leave the opinions to the grow ups. :whistle
This is absolute gold
Champagne comedy
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Cool, welcome to Richmond Tyrone
Happy as with this pick-up
This is why you leave the opinions to the grow ups. :whistle
This is absolute gold
Champagne comedy
Lots of gold at the start of this thread, you should go have a read.
You never liked him though, why would that be, did his old man give you the cold shoulder at a function.
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which old man is this? The one that has been getting paid to do SFA.
got it.
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Cool, welcome to Richmond Tyrone
Happy as with this pick-up
This is why you leave the opinions to the grow ups. :whistle
This is absolute gold
Champagne comedy
Lots of gold at the start of this thread, you should go have a read.
You never liked him though, why would that be, did his old man give you the cold shoulder at a function.
Actually " freshed air " him
Get your facts right 😉
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Did ya call him a keyboard warrior too ?
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Did ya call him a keyboard warrior too ?
He is actually not a bad bloke
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Did ya call him a keyboard warrior too ?
He is actually not a bad bloke
That's nice
Hopefully he gets deported
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Did ya call him a keyboard warrior too ?
He is actually not a bad bloke
That's nice
Hopefully he gets deported
Guaranteed you would not say it too his face ?
Your lights would be well and truely out
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He has anger management issues?
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Did ya call him a keyboard warrior too ?
He is actually not a bad bloke
That's nice
Hopefully he gets deported
Guaranteed you would not say it too his face ?
Your lights would be well and truely out
Get sacked on the fired for that woudnt you?
I'm not sure if Peggy would allow such violet individuals and circus fc
Might be worth it
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Peggy who ?
She still there ?
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obviously you aren't, or you'd know
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Did ya call him a keyboard warrior too ?
He is actually not a bad bloke
That's nice
Hopefully he gets deported
I larfed
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Did ya call him a keyboard warrior too ?
He is actually not a bad bloke
That's nice
Hopefully he gets deported
Guaranteed you would not say it too his face ?
Your lights would be well and truely out
Sounds like he has a great presence of mind. Would explain a lot about dumbass Jnr. And you go out of your way to try to associate with these sorts of people
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So what went wrong with his fairy son?
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Cool, welcome to Richmond Tyrone
Happy as with this pick-up
This is why you leave the opinions to the grow ups. :whistle
This is absolute gold
Champagne comedy
Geez you must be the life of the party with that sense of humour
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Went well last night, still think there is more upside to him than downside. Additionally we are really not in a position to trade our talls away at the end of the year either. We don't have many, I think Vicks will be staying.
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Went well last night, still think there is more upside to him than downside. Additionally we are really not in a position to trade our talls away at the end of the year either. We don't have many, I think Vicks will be staying.
Does get goals though because he hangs out the back waiting for the turnover rather than by immediately running back hard once a turnover has occurred. He doesn't chase hard and so finds himself spectating out the back.
If you are at the game this is clear. On the tv broadcast, you can't see this.
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^^, is that what he has been told do?? "hang out the back", would also of thought his job was to kick goals and he does that.
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^^, is that what he has been told do?? "hang out the back", would also of thought his job was to kick goals and he does that.
Do you really think he has been told to let his man be the guy that sets up the opposition's attacks from the back line by putting minimal pressure on him?
I seriously doubt it.
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^^, is that what he has been told do?? "hang out the back", would also of thought his job was to kick goals and he does that.
Do you really think he has been told to let his man be the guy that sets up the opposition's attacks from the back line by putting minimal pressure on him?
I seriously doubt it.
Wouldn't surprise me, look at the rest of the team, running around banging into each other. Who knows what they are told.
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This guy is a disgrace. Doesn't even get to enough contests and then doesn't make a contest when he does.
Doesn't run or chase. Can't lead. Always looks exhausted for no F reason.
He kicked three goals big deal. He was five inches taller than his opponent pretty much all night and had two passes shoved down his throat. One cheapie out the back great kick by Lids. Missed two he should have desperately. If he'd kicked 5.0 I'd probably cut him some slack for making it hurt on the scoreboard but really this guy needs to go. Not interested and shows no heart.
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Hilarious watching the difference in his pace when chasing vs when on the lead. Disgraceful work ethic, i really hope he walks
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He's a dud! A stupid player. Not a natural footballer at all. Has no idea what he is supposed to do. He lacks composure & footy smarts. He is definitely not fit enough and isn't prepared to bust a gut. I can't stand him. Has he ever laid a tackle? Can he block? Does he have any awareness of teammates around him? The most frustrating player on the list by a mile.
He's a sideshow. :rollin
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Pls excuse WAT he can't see the forest through the trees
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Pls excuse WAT he can't see the forest through the trees
You cant see them through your glasses....the rose coulored ones.... :snidegrin
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Another horrid game. Yet for some a few goals papers over the shiiiteness.
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Just malaises around the ground like he has chronic fatigue syndrome, until he gets a cheap one out the back then you see he actually is quick if he wants to be.
No effort but expects reward. A pin up boy for many of your GenY types.
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Went well last night, still think there is more upside to him than downside. Additionally we are really not in a position to trade our talls away at the end of the year either. We don't have many, I think Vicks will be staying.
Does get goals though because he hangs out the back waiting for the turnover rather than by immediately running back hard once a turnover has occurred. He doesn't chase hard and so finds himself spectating out the back.
If you are at the game this is clear. On the tv broadcast, you can't see this.
It's that bad you can see it on the telle YBB :lol
Another horrid game. Yet for WAT a few goals papers over the shiiiteness.
EFA
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2 possessions 4 clangers. :rollin
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2 possessions 4 clangers. :rollin
Was dreadful. Weather no excuse as well. Seeing Dawson leading him to the ball on multiple occasions was embarrassing.
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0% disposal efficiency from 71% gametime. He's gotta go!
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embarrassing alright, we'd be better off without him
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Bad decision to play him in the first place
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Real shame we had a bye in the VFL this week.Another good performance from the bean and maybe he has a more compelling case to finally get an opportunity. Vickery definately not a wet weather player, would have been an ideal time to give Markov a run.
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Yeah but... but...but.... McBean's got to earn a spot.... :whistle
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Richmond's Tyrone Vickery for striking Nick Suban in the third term.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-21/match-report-fremantle-v-richmond
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Should get at least 3 months...
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Out: Tyrone, Chaplin
In: chol / McBean / c moore / astbury / broad / elton
:banghead
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2 possessions 4 clangers. :rollin
How's that even possible :lol :lol :lol
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2 possessions 4 clangers. :rollin
How's that even possible :lol :lol :lol
In Ty's case, it would most likely be free kicks against as they are classed as clangers.
Examples of clangers include,
* Any disposal or deliberate knock-on that goes directly to an opposition player.[2]
* Any free kick conceded
* Dropped marks or fumbles under no pressure
* 50-metre penalties conceded
* A Ball-Up Kick In (Stepping over the line when kicking in after a behind)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanger_%28Australian_rules_football%29
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Never seen a player more tired than this pooman.
Often down on his haunches sucking in the big ones after breaking through the banner.
Probably does so little on the field because hes to focused on fighting off the melatonin surges.
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Never seen a player more tired than this pooman.
Often down on his haunches sucking in the big ones after breaking through the banner.
Probably does so little on the field because hes to focused on fighting off the melatonin surges.
:lol :lol :lol
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In a word Embarrassing
We basically played a player down thanks to Tyrone's "efforts" (read lack there of)
Seen some shocking invidudal performances over the years but last night :banghead
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I reckon if most of us were given the opportunity to play 1 game we would be prepared to bloody die for the jumper
Vickery is the complete opposite. Just jogs around.....watching the contests unfold 10 metres away.
Without a C A R E in the world.
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look hes a good player and a goalkicker, we'll be looking to lock him away on a big fat contract asap
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I reckon if most of us were given the opportunity to play 1 game we would be prepared to bloody die for the jumper
Vickery is the complete opposite. Just jogs around.....watching the contests unfold 10 metres away.
Without a C A R E in the world.
With his stupid hair
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2 possessions 4 clangers. :rollin
How's that even possible :lol :lol :lol
In Ty's case, it would most likely be free kicks against as they are classed as clangers.
Examples of clangers include,
* Any disposal or deliberate knock-on that goes directly to an opposition player.[2]
* Any free kick conceded
* Dropped marks or fumbles under no pressure
* 50-metre penalties conceded
* A Ball-Up Kick In (Stepping over the line when kicking in after a behind)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanger_%28Australian_rules_football%29
Wasn't saying it literally I more meant "how could anyone be that terrible"
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Give the guy a break this week. The weather last night didn't suit any big man out on the ground. Some play better than others.
He stood up for his team mates when needed & that alone is good enough for me. He cops it every week out on the field the lad is ready to explode & box on. ;D
l want to see some biff & the Tigers get tuff cause we have too many out there that are pee weak when it comes to the rough stuff. Bellis & Menadue cringed last night & l don't like that crap.
Get it on Big fella l will back ya :thumbsup
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Give the guy a break this week. The weather last night didn't suit any big man out on the ground. Some play better than others.
He stood up for his team mates when needed & that alone is good enough for me. He cops it every week out on the field the lad is ready to explode & box on. ;D
l want to see some biff & the Tigers get tuff cause we have too many out there that are pee weak when it comes to the rough stuff. Bellis & Menadue cringed last night & l don't like that crap.
Get it on Big fella l will back ya :thumbsup
It suited Jack and Griff reasonably well. Hampson also had an above average game.
And the only 'standing up' Vickery did was in the shower after the game when he caught his breath after a hard earned 2 disposals.
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It suited Jack and Griff reasonably well.
:clapping
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Give the guy a break this week. The weather last night didn't suit any big man out on the ground. Some play better than others.
He stood up for his team mates when needed & that alone is good enough for me. He cops it every week out on the field the lad is ready to explode & box on. ;D
l want to see some biff & the Tigers get tuff cause we have too many out there that are pee weak when it comes to the rough stuff. Bellis & Menadue cringed last night & l don't like that crap.
Get it on Big fella l will back ya :thumbsup
It suited Jack and Griff reasonably well. Hampson also had an above average game.
And the only 'standing up' Vickery did was in the shower after the game when he caught his breath after a hard earned 2 disposals.
Don't forget the 4 clangers! :lol
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Give the guy a break this week. The weather last night didn't suit any big man out on the ground. Some play better than others.
He stood up for his team mates when needed & that alone is good enough for me. He cops it every week out on the field the lad is ready to explode & box on. ;D
l want to see some biff & the Tigers get tuff cause we have too many out there that are pee weak when it comes to the rough stuff. Bellis & Menadue cringed last night & l don't like that crap.
Get it on Big fella l will back ya :thumbsup
It suited Jack and Griff reasonably well. Hampson also had an above average game.
Stuffing low bar that
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Give the guy a break this week. The weather last night didn't suit any big man out on the ground. Some play better than others.
He stood up for his team mates when needed & that alone is good enough for me. He cops it every week out on the field the lad is ready to explode & box on. ;D
l want to see some biff & the Tigers get tuff cause we have too many out there that are pee weak when it comes to the rough stuff. Bellis & Menadue cringed last night & l don't like that crap.
Get it on Big fella l will back ya :thumbsup
Errr no,
I was there, sitting in the artic gales at Subiaco and sorry but his lack of intesity, effort to do the most basic of things was unacceptable
Other talls at least made the effort to get to contests, put pressure on their opponents and work hard. He didn't
So the only break he gets this week is a break (extended) in the VFL
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The big useless turkey got off.
He can't even hit someone properly.
:lol
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MRP statement
The match day report laid against Richmond’s Ty Vickery for striking Fremantle’s Nick Suban during the third quarter was assessed. It was the view of the panel the force used was below that required for a report. No further action was taken.
Dawson got off as well ...
The match day report laid against Fremantle’s Zac Dawson for engaging in rough conduct against Richmond’s Steven Morris during the third quarter was assessed. The panel said Dawson was running towards the contest in a bid to mark the ball. Morris was running back with the flight of the ball and got to the contest first to complete the mark. Dawson had his left hand open and made contact across the front of Morris with his bicep / upper arm area. It was the view of the panel there was insufficient high contact made to constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-23/match-review-panel-full-statement-round-nine
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write this one down.
A Richmond player got off :rollin
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(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/blogs/uploads/2016/01/upside.jpg)
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The big useless turkey got off.
He can't even hit someone properly.
:lol
Tell that to Cox
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Can still win the Brownlow :snidegrin
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The big useless turkey got off.
He can't even hit someone properly.
:lol
Tell that to Cox
Anyone can hit like a coward
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I am actually starting to hate the bloke.
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I am actually starting to hate the bloke.
I actually felt like that a couple weeks ago which leads me to this little anecdote.
I went to the VFL game v Port Melbourne a few weeks back. Many of the younger guys on the list who were either injured or played the night before v Hawthorn were there including Ty.
There was one particular Richmond fan who was pretty belligerent and spent much of the game abusing our own players. At the end of the game Ty was standing right next to me waiting for the boys to go down the race and into the changerooms. The aforementioned fan noticed Ty and came closer till she was about 5 meters away kept saying things - clearly to antagonise and draw a reaction. Ty was standing next to a pole not even half as thick as he yet tried to move around the other side as if "hiding" would prevent the woman from seeing him. He clearly understood he was in a position where anything he did in response would reflect poorly on himself and the club.
In this moment he wasn't the Ty that i spend games screaming at the TV over, he was just a young emotionally vulnerable man clearly uncomfortable having to stand there and cop abuse from some idiot when he just wanted to go and cheer on his mates on a Saturday afternoon. I immediately felt bad for him and it was a real eye opener that put things in perspective for me.
Since this day I'm unable to muster the same vitriolic response to Ty's performance on the field.
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I am actually starting to hate the bloke.
I actually felt like that a couple weeks ago which leads me to this little anecdote.
I went to the VFL game v Port Melbourne a few weeks back. Many of the younger guys on the list who were either injured or played the night before v Hawthorn were there including Ty.
There was one particular Richmond fan who was pretty belligerent and spent much of the game abusing our own players. At the end of the game Ty was standing right next to me waiting for the boys to go down the race and into the changerooms. The aforementioned fan noticed Ty and came closer till she was about 5 meters away kept saying things - clearly to antagonise and draw a reaction. Ty was standing next to a pole not even half as thick as he yet tried to move around the other side as if "hiding" would prevent the woman from seeing him. He clearly understood he was in a position where anything he did in response would reflect poorly on himself and the club.
In this moment he wasn't the Ty that i spend games screaming at the TV over, he was just a young emotionally vulnerable man clearly uncomfortable having to stand there and cop abuse from some idiot when he just wanted to go and cheer on his mates on a Saturday afternoon. I immediately felt bad for him and it was a real eye opener that put things in perspective for me.
Since this day I'm unable to muster the same vitriolic response to Ty's performance on the field.
Excellent post! :clapping No matter what we make them up to be in our minds, footballers are just humans too!
I lived across the road from a player from the 60's - 70's when I was a young kid. Seeing him running after his newspaper as it blew away down the street while wearing a frumpy old dressing gown & slippers rather shattered my ideals of him being some sort of super human! :lol
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How fans can hate a footballer or a coach simply because they don't live up to their expectations is beyond me. At least meet them, get to know them, and then make up your mind.
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I am actually starting to hate the bloke.
I actually felt like that a couple weeks ago which leads me to this little anecdote.
I went to the VFL game v Port Melbourne a few weeks back. Many of the younger guys on the list who were either injured or played the night before v Hawthorn were there including Ty.
There was one particular Richmond fan who was pretty belligerent and spent much of the game abusing our own players. At the end of the game Ty was standing right next to me waiting for the boys to go down the race and into the changerooms. The aforementioned fan noticed Ty and came closer till she was about 5 meters away kept saying things - clearly to antagonise and draw a reaction. Ty was standing next to a pole not even half as thick as he yet tried to move around the other side as if "hiding" would prevent the woman from seeing him. He clearly understood he was in a position where anything he did in response would reflect poorly on himself and the club.
In this moment he wasn't the Ty that i spend games screaming at the TV over, he was just a young emotionally vulnerable man clearly uncomfortable having to stand there and cop abuse from some idiot when he just wanted to go and cheer on his mates on a Saturday afternoon. I immediately felt bad for him and it was a real eye opener that put things in perspective for me.
Since this day I'm unable to muster the same vitriolic response to Ty's performance on the field.
timid
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How fans can hate a footballer or a coach simply because they don't live up to their expectations is beyond me. At least meet them, get to know them, and then make up your mind.
Dont need to and dont want to. Simply do your job or move on.
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Speaks volumes of some individuals on this forum
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Cant believe this pea hearted bufoon is getting another game.
Weak.
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Barrett on the Footy Show just now.
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LMFAO We know it is true what about 3 years 500k a year for a softie dud.
Like the Hardwick signing they GO TOO EARLY. Once again they show they have not learnt a thing.They should wait until seasons end and see what sort of offers they get.
There is only incompetence in this F/D.
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nah not 3, better go the 5 years with an option - we want players like this to be career players at richmond :clapping
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Oh look, Ty's still very important to the side - we believe the list has enough natural improvement left in it and only requires some minor tinkering to challenge for
a premiership, the top 4, a finals victory...
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Photos of Hardwick will see him a life member
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I am actually starting to hate the bloke.
I actually felt like that a couple weeks ago which leads me to this little anecdote.
I went to the VFL game v Port Melbourne a few weeks back. Many of the younger guys on the list who were either injured or played the night before v Hawthorn were there including Ty.
There was one particular Richmond fan who was pretty belligerent and spent much of the game abusing our own players. At the end of the game Ty was standing right next to me waiting for the boys to go down the race and into the changerooms. The aforementioned fan noticed Ty and came closer till she was about 5 meters away kept saying things - clearly to antagonise and draw a reaction. Ty was standing next to a pole not even half as thick as he yet tried to move around the other side as if "hiding" would prevent the woman from seeing him. He clearly understood he was in a position where anything he did in response would reflect poorly on himself and the club.
In this moment he wasn't the Ty that i spend games screaming at the TV over, he was just a young emotionally vulnerable man clearly uncomfortable having to stand there and cop abuse from some idiot when he just wanted to go and cheer on his mates on a Saturday afternoon. I immediately felt bad for him and it was a real eye opener that put things in perspective for me.
Since this day I'm unable to muster the same vitriolic response to Ty's performance on the field.
Thats all good dont change. Just be honest. If he plays poor call it as it is without the vitriol.If he plays okay say so.
Personally i think hes soft as a footballer and it is as a footballer that i see him.
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Oh by the way i HATE THE BLOKE AS WELL. As a footballer i have no idea what he is like away from the game.AHHH PERSPECTIVE.
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Why don't we just give Tyrone life membership and the captaincy. :whistle
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Ok still stunned how he has been gifted a game again but im reluctantly giving him another chance to prove himself this week.
Im prepared to overlook the fact that he refuses to chase beyond his tucked elbow jog/shuffle, is as lively as the stoner sloth, is seemingly completely knackered after the shortest of movements early in the game and has a trampoline hands for contested marks.
Im prepared to overlook that he turns 26 next week, has had 8 years in the system and has had 111 games to professionally develop his game. And that he still suffers horrifically from the poorest of form slumps.
All i ask is that on Saturday he shows he at least looks like he wants to be out there, takes a few contested marks, genuinely chases, and kicks goals other than his trademark 'cheap peeling of the back of the contest/last man standing' move where everybody else has done the hard work.
And against a rabble of a side with a rabble of a backline match up for him.
In short, stop being a pea heart an do your job.
Fair enough? Or am i being to generous?
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We had the bounce of God the week previous followed by the wrath of God weather conditions last week. Is it possible that Vickery could get struck by lightning this week and become a super player?
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This is it, the line in the sand game where the buck stops here
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McBean shafted
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McBean shafted
Over and over it would seem. But lets back our selectors and TV in for now. :gotigers
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Ok still stunned how he has been gifted a game again but im reluctantly giving him another chance to prove himself this week.
Im prepared to overlook the fact that he refuses to chase beyond his tucked elbow jog/shuffle, is as lively as the stoner sloth, is seemingly completely knackered after the shortest of movements early in the game and has a trampoline hands for contested marks.
Im prepared to overlook that he turns 26 next week, has had 8 years in the system and has had 111 games to professionally develop his game. And that he still suffers horrifically from the poorest of form slumps.
All i ask is that on Saturday he shows he at least looks like he wants to be out there, takes a few contested marks, genuinely chases, and kicks goals other than his trademark 'cheap peeling of the back of the contest/last man standing' move where everybody else has done the hard work.
And against a rabble of a side with a rabble of a backline match up for him.
In short, stop being a pea heart an do your job.
Fair enough? Or am i being to generous?
Good post :thumbsup
l agree its time for this lad to string together consistent performances at this level & at least be half the player Buddy Franklin is & produce some crashing pack marks & kick 3 goals a week. No excuses anymore when we have players like McBean who could be a star if given half the chances.
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It starts right now
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Should read giving Vickery another chance to Poo himself.
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It starts right now
It will end tomorrow if he plays the same as last week.
No more mucking about.
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If he doesn't perform against this Essendon side then boy oh boy.
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The riot act must be read
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The riot act must be read
Why don't we just have a public lynching? :snidegrin
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The main thing is, he can't play football.
He can kick straight.
That's about it. ....
Why does dimmer persist ?
That's the worrying part.
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The main thing is, he can't play football.
He can kick straight.
That's about it. ....
Why does dimmer persist ?
That's the worrying part.
Give him one last chance. Then in all fairness the site amnesty is OVER
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why does he deserve another chance?
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why does he deserve another chance?
Maybe he doesnt. But we are better people than that.
1 more week
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He's already had "one more week"....about 60 times....
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this is going to be a fun thread post dreamtime
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Womder if Dea will take him?
Would be interesting ;D
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this is going to be a fun thread post dreamtime
He'll get his 4 cheapies out the back and be declared "back in town"....never mind the half a dozen coast-to-coast Essendon goals that his non-efforts in our forward 50 will trigger.......
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I just think when i watch him that he doesnt move like a natural athlete. He moves awkwardly and appears as a result to be very slow. Watching him it poses the question why he played football and didnt play badminton or something similar. Just an observation but would imagine someone who had not seen AFL before thinking the same thing.
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this is going to be a fun thread post dreamtime
He'll get his 4 cheapies out the back and be declared "back in town"....never mind the half a dozen coast-to-coast Essendon goals that his non-efforts in our forward 50 will trigger.......
Ok maybe but let's just give him a chance. If they are the usual cheapies when he peels off the back then it will be noticed
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why does he deserve another chance?
Maybe he doesnt. But we are better people than that.
1 more week
Not giving him 1 more week against the worst team in the comp. Let him prove himself against a decent team in North.
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why does he deserve another chance?
Maybe he doesnt. But we are better people than that.
1 more week
Not giving him 1 more week against the worst team in the comp. Let him prove himself against a decent team in North.
Please. Just give him TBOTD for now
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12 hours before the site amnesty ends.
He must stand up.
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Ok time to stand up you lazy bastard
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Well done Vicks... :clapping...one up on Spatchelor
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Well done Vicks... :clapping...one up on Spatchelor
Tipping Batch wont kick a goal because, in case you hafnt noticed, hes a defender
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Well done Vicks... :clapping...one up on Spatchelor
Tipping Batch wont kick a goal because, in case you hafnt noticed, hes a defender
They are all defenders, he nearly gave one away....
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Vickery has already given away 2
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taken a mark, kicked a goal - just played himself into a new 2 year contract :clapping
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:clapping :clapping :clapping...Equal Leading goal kicker on the ground at the minute... :snidegrin
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Well...meh
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well he shut us up didnt he, clearly been schooled here - the guy is a GUN!!!!
anyone who watches the replay - take note of Griggs first goal when he ran to 50 and dobbed it, watch Vickery at the bottom of the screen streaming forward like a gazelle calling for the ball, amazing turn of foot.... and then watch him when he chases, looks like 2 different people, ones a super athlete, the other one has a club foot.
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Was better last night but that performance should be his floor not his ceiling. Pretty sure after 8 years we know what we're getting.
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Typical Vickery performance.
Looks lost , looks like a gigantic girl ....ends up with 3 crucial goals.
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This was me after he clunked that strong contested mark and kicked a goal
(http://img.ifcdn.com/images/3f52f6b9d62c1d4981d5143c556daa8832221179a9be4769fda0170f43d73bb1_1.jpg)
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this is going to be a fun thread post dreamtime
He'll get his 4 cheapies out the back and be declared "back in town"....never mind the half a dozen coast-to-coast Essendon goals that his non-efforts in our forward 50 will trigger.......
Ok maybe but let's just give him a chance. If they are the usual cheapies when he peels off the back then it will be noticed
3 goals. 2 cheapies out the back, the second of which he nearly stuffed up....one genuine contested mark & goal. i.e. a real KPF goal.
Marking was ok around the ground, still lazy & useless when the ball is going the other way and even gave us an encore of his attempt to hit up Lloyd in a 2-on-1, instead of having a shot, from the Collingwood game, at roughly the same point in the match. Thankfully the score wasn't quite as close this time.
4/10
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Weird stuffn bloke/player.
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Yep a strange cat this Vickery guy...
well he shut us up didnt he, clearly been schooled here - the guy is a GUN!!!!
anyone who watches the replay - take note of Griggs first goal when he ran to 50 and dobbed it, watch Vickery at the bottom of the screen streaming forward like a gazelle calling for the ball, amazing turn of foot.... and then watch him when he chases, looks like 2 different people, ones a super athlete, the other one has a club foot.
well he shut us up didnt he, clearly been schooled here - the guy is a GUN!!!!
anyone who watches the replay - take note of Griggs first goal when he ran to 50 and dobbed it, watch Vickery at the bottom of the screen streaming forward like a gazelle calling for the ball, amazing turn of foot.... and then watch him when he chases, looks like 2 different people, ones a super athlete, the other one has a club foot.
Exactly. Doesnt like to work for his goals. The very definition of priveledged, lazy and unaccountable.
A permed Jack Watts.
I dont like him. And i have the right to say it.
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well he shut us up didnt he, clearly been schooled here - the guy is a GUN!!!!
anyone who watches the replay - take note of Griggs first goal when he ran to 50 and dobbed it, watch Vickery at the bottom of the screen streaming forward like a gazelle calling for the ball, amazing turn of foot.... and then watch him when he chases, looks like 2 different people, ones a super athlete, the other one has a club foot.
Yeah, point taken. But name me a player who doesn't pick up a yard or two when they can smell a goal coming? Wearing the #29 must do something to Ty when he sees an opportunity to snag a cheapie! Maybe its just the number doing that? :snidegrin
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A cheap goal is worth the same as a regular goal
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A goal is a goal is a goal! :gotigers
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Loved when we had there was a turnover straight to Floss when Vickery was 50-60 meters away and leads the other stuffing way. Floss bangs it as far as he could but Gwilt marks it. Vickery then tells Floss he was meant to kick it further over his head :lol :lol
The guys a stuffing moron
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He did take a nice contested mark which resulted in his second goal and a double cobra .
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I don't like seeing a KPF mark the ball inside 50 and look to give away a handball when he is getting paid to take responsibility and go back and line up for the set shot.
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Just sayin on Fox that Vickery is set to be presented with a new contract.. :clapping
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No doubt McBean is stoked
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Just sayin on Fox that Vickery is set to be presented with a new contract.. :clapping
Oh eff off :huh
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The only way Vickery will leave Tigerland is if he wants out. Needs to stand up tonight though if we are to win.
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I'm so sick of this idiot, wish he would just stuff off to another club
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Complete liability
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The entire team is a liability.
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Sideshow absolutely does my head in
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I'm so sick of this idiot, wish he would just stuff off to another club
He wont leave he knows at Richmond he will get games no matter what.At another club there are no such guarantees.What other club would want him anyway.
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We desperately need a new coach who isn't besties with these wackos.
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
Link please.
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
Link please.
Hardwick said it directly to the coterie group last night. :shh
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Nice meal Doc?
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
Link please.
Hardwick said it directly to the coterie group last night. :shh
So why can't we play Mcbean as a small then? Not like we've got a plethora of those running around cough*Lloydaboutoneinthreegamesisokay*cough
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
Link please.
Hardwick said it directly to the coterie group last night. :shh
So why can't we play Mcbean as a small then? Not like we've got a plethora of those running around cough*Lloydaboutoneinthreegamesisokay*cough
Maybe because they'd rather play a small with intensity?
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
Link please.
Hardwick said it directly to the coterie group last night. :shh
So why can't we play Mcbean as a small then? Not like we've got a plethora of those running around cough*Lloydaboutoneinthreegamesisokay*cough
Maybe because they'd rather play a small with intensity?
Lloyd's is extraordinarily ordinary...
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
Link please.
Hardwick said it directly to the coterie group last night. :shh
Did anyone bother to ask why Sideshow aerobic capacity is so poor? Did anyone ask why the whole team seems to lack the same stamina over four quarters other teams seem to possess?
Did anyone ask why he lied to us & failed to comply with his own promises about player standards of acheivement when he first arrived?
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Of course not.
They all get star struck around footballers and coaches.
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
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Yep.
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Love to party with them too.
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
That's an incredibly floggish thing to post
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Truth hurt laughing boy?
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Modern day court jews.
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A conga line of suck-holes
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
wow just wow. I am speechless that this is acceptable.
Get the lazy bum to work harder on the track!!!!!
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:facepalm
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
wow just wow. I am speechless that this is acceptable.
Get the lazy bum to work harder on the track!!!!!
I long for the day that Vickery grabs Hardwick by the scruff of the neck, pins him against the wall and says "I'm sick of this shlt, play me 1st ruck or trade me"
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Truth hurt laughing boy?
I think perhaps that post is directed at yourself?
Never been to a coterie function in my life but I don't think WP or Y&BB come across as you've portrayed coterie members.
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
What a crock of 5hi7!
As if a professional athlete after 6 preseason cannot ruck for 10minuts a quarter.
Not calling you out YBB as I believe this is what Dimma said, but it's hard to believe.
I don't think Vickery is very good in the ruck and that's more to do with development but to say he cannot play as a second ruckman because he is not fit enough is plain stupid.
I just wish he would keep his mouth shut for a while. He is making this club into a joke.
If he thinks we can still make the finals, just do it. But I'd prefer him to say, if we win enough games come seasons end, we are a chance. Everybody in the footy world with half a brain can see we are struggling. Him saying every 10 minutes are will still make the finals makes us all look stupid.
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RFC is the Joke that keeps on giving.
If your not convinced of the joke just tell someone that you barrack for the Tigers and then ask them why they just laughed.
But it annoys me more if they say "Aww, I like Richmond, they are my second team!" :banghead
It just gives me the poos that we continually get coaches that talk crap. Why the hell couldn't we have got Clarkson?
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We could.
Pay penuts gets monkeys
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Vickery's on going selection is a prime example of why Dimma cannot in fact coach. Most other people know that the days of a stay at home full forward are gone. Vickery's inability to get to contests mean that we play with one less man in the contested area. But there is more to it than aerobic capacity. He is a ball watcher not a ball chaser. He has not improved in 5 years. He would not get a game in a good side. He seems to have lost his kicking mojo also compared to previous years and with that in limbo he has nothing much to offer. McBean must be given a go for this year and if no prospect then discarded rapidly while we try again. Can't we get some players with the go-factor? The recruiters have lacked the ability to find these. From the selection of pretty boy Fiora instead of Pavlich to now this has been the theme.
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I saw Ty cover a lot of ground last year when had a 20+ possession game against Collingwood and kicked 6 goals.
Perhaps he's lazy?
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Vickery's on going selection is a prime example of why Dimma cannot in fact coach. Most other people know that the days of a stay at home full forward are gone. Vickery's inability to get to contests mean that we play with one less man in the contested area. But there is more to it than aerobic capacity. He is a ball watcher not a ball chaser. He has not improved in 5 years. He would not get a game in a good side. He seems to have lost his kicking mojo also compared to previous years and with that in limbo he has nothing much to offer. McBean must be given a go for this year and if no prospect then discarded rapidly while we try again. Can't we get some players with the go-factor? The recruiters have lacked the ability to find these. From the selection of pretty boy Fiora instead of Pavlich to now this has been the theme.
We could have had Franklin
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And Pavlich
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
Jealously is never pretty
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If you think that's the case then most staff & players at most clubs must also be "jealous".... :shh
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Not sure many have as strong feelings as you seem too
Nevertheless, I'm amazed this troll thread made 6 pages
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Yeah you're probably right....a lot of them would have even stronger feelings than I...
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
Jealously is never pretty
If you're a coterie member, then that statement takes on a whole new meaning.
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
Jealously is never pretty
If you're a coterie member, then that statement takes on a whole new meaning.
Wouldn't matter if I was or I wasn't
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
bit like internet nuffer bully flogs who just want to be their poo to be seen , but do it in anonymity
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Ooh, another nerve stuck....quick, better go tell Mal Brown.... :shh
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Yeah you're probably right....a lot of them would have even stronger feelings than I...
Who are they? Why not name them?
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
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Ahhh The big pea heart is selected again LOL.
Only good thing is his mate soft as butter Griffo is not playing.
What a rabble. Where the hell is Callum Moore this kid will give more in one game than the peahearts will in twenty combined.
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Ahhh The big pea heart is selected again LOL.
Only good thing is his mate soft as butter Griffo is not playing.
What a rabble. Where the hell is Callum Moore this kid will give more in one game than the peahearts will in twenty combined.
Sportsbet taking bets on what minutes of the first quarter he'll srop chasing
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
Still no response to my post above Dioc?
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Ahhh The big pea heart is selected again LOL.
Only good thing is his mate soft as butter Griffo is not playing.
What a rabble. Where the hell is Callum Moore this kid will give more in one game than the peahearts will in twenty combined.
Sportsbet taking bets on what minutes of the first quarter he'll srop chasing
What odds for 3 joe the goose goals with over the top celebrations, fist pumping and high 5s for everyone?
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
Still no response to my post above Dioc?
My feelings about coterie groups have been the same for 20 years. They can stuff off.
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
Still no response to my post above Dioc?
My feelings about coterie groups have been the same for 20 years. They can stuff off.
Why?
They raise enormous amounts of money for the club. Many people "network" in them for their own benefit. Since I don't have a business that can benefit from them, I just look at it as a higher form of membership which helps out the club and I get a few more creature comforts at the football. That is all.
Would you rather people that hear something from the inner sanctum of the club not pass this on to people on OER?
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Raising money for capitalist organisations is questionable at best.
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Ahhh The big pea heart is selected again LOL.
Only good thing is his mate soft as butter Griffo is not playing.
What a rabble. Where the hell is Callum Moore this kid will give more in one game than the peahearts will in twenty combined.
Sportsbet taking bets on what minutes of the first quarter he'll srop chasing
What odds for 3 joe the goose goals with over the top celebrations, fist pumping and high 5s for everyone?
$1.01.....against poor, cold, undersized opposition.....and he signs a new contract 2 years 550k per year. High fives for his old man and the inside gravy train
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Funny that you blokes show these types of opinions towards coterie groups but then have delusions of grandeur when you think someone isn't a member :lol
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Funny that you blokes show these types of opinions towards coterie groups but then have delusions of grandeur when you think someone isn't a member :lol
:huh
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Not sure if you read my question earlier YBB but I asked since you have access to the inner sanctum whether your not you have taken he opportunity to ask a question or two at the powers that be and hold them accountable for the seemingly stupid decisions they have made. Have you taken up the opportunity?
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doubt it.
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doubt it.
Well you'd be wrong about that :snidegrin
Questions are/were allowed
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doubt it.
Well ypur wrong :snidegrin
Questions are/were allowed
What sort of questions?
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Not sure if you read my question earlier YBB but I asked since you have access to the inner sanctum whether your not you have taken he opportunity to ask a question or two at the powers that be and hold them accountable for the seemingly stupid decisions they have made. Have you taken up the opportunity?
Hardwick and Lade were asked several questions. They answered them but not in a way that satisfied me quite a few times. There is no benefit carrying on like a spoilt brat in such circumstances. The said it at the start straight out that our performances have been shyte this year. They didn't need me to elaboration that.
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Not sure if you read my question earlier YBB but I asked since you have access to the inner sanctum whether your not you have taken he opportunity to ask a question or two at the powers that be and hold them accountable for the seemingly stupid decisions they have made. Have you taken up the opportunity?
Hardwick and Lade were asked several questions. They answered them but not in a way that satisfied me quite a few times. There is no benefit carrying on like a spoilt brat in such circumstances. The said it at the start straight out that our performances have been shyte this year. They didn't need me to elaboration that.
Yeah, but there's 'carrying on like a spoilt brat' and there's being assertive.
I would have thought if coterie members go to such lengths to support the club beyond that of a rank and file member and choose to be part of something closer to the inner sanctum, that they would be more inclined to care about the direction of club not necessarily accept carefully prepared half-truths and spin that leaves people unsatisfied.
But maybe the whole Coterie scene is primarily about things like networking and the like.
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The questions asked were assertive. Very assertive. It was the answers that left a lot to be desired.
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Funny that you blokes show these types of opinions towards coterie groups but then have delusions of grandeur when you think someone isn't a member :lol
:huh
Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Funny that you blokes show these types of opinions towards coterie groups but then have delusions of grandeur when you think someone isn't a member :lol
:huh
Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about
Quote me or don't post. And don't quote posts that are obviously in jest! I have never ever said anything of the sort. If anything I've defended people that have been told off for not being members.
So instead of making up disparaging crap, do your research a bit better.
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The questions asked were assertive. Very assertive. It was the answers that left a lot to be desired.
For example?
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
Still no response to my post above Dioc?
My feelings about coterie groups have been the same for 20 years. They can stuff off.
Why?
They raise enormous amounts of money for the club. Many people "network" in them for their own benefit. Since I don't have a business that can benefit from them, I just look at it as a higher form of membership which helps out the club and I get a few more creature comforts at the football. That is all.
Would you rather people that hear something from the inner sanctum of the club not pass this on to people on OER?
Don't play dumb , you know as well as I do that coterie groups basically ran the joint for years - ran it into the stuffing ground.....ask Northey for one....
As for your "inside info" - what? That Vickery is a bludger and Halfstep has double standards? Yeah real "exclusive" stuff....
The questions asked were assertive. Very assertive. It was the answers that left a lot to be desired.
For example?
Like why a bloke we recruited primarily as a ruckman, who's been in the system for 7 years and whose father is the boxing coach - a form of aerobic training no less - still doesn't possess the aerobic capacity to play in the ruck for more than 10 minutes and why this has not only been tolerated and allowed to happen but has even been rewarded with guaranteed selection and contract extensions?
That's what anyone who wasn't there just to hob nob would've asked....
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Funny that you blokes show these types of opinions towards coterie groups but then have delusions of grandeur when you think someone isn't a member :lol
:huh
Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about
Quote me or don't post. And don't quote posts that are obviously in jest! I have never ever said anything of the sort. If anything I've defended people that have been told off for not being members.
So instead of making up disparaging crap, do your research a bit better.
:lol so you're trying to encourage me to wade through some junk to find a post I remember vividly and when I do you can claim it was in jest? No thanks I'm sure other people remember it anyway. Nice try to deflect though, telling me to "do my research".
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Coterie groups - useless, ego tripping flogs who just want to be "seen"....pathetic....
I missed this comment and assume it was directed at me.
Firstly, I am a coterie ember because I want to give the club I love as much money as I can afford and in return, I get some benefits. Just like a normal membership, people give their money over to help the club and in turn get something in return.
There really is no difference except the amount given is higher and thus the benefits are more.
The only reason I mentioned it here is that I was being questioned on the source of my comments and thus had to explain how Damian Hardwick spoke to me and others at the club.
I understand not everyone is in the financial situation to be able to hand over thousands of dollars to the club. I thought because I had the advantage of hearing from our coach, that I'd share some of the things he told us, so others that didn't have this advantage could also get the same advantage as I have without having to pay up for it.
If you'd rather me not share any information I get from the club then I won't. I find your comments extremely derogatory and short sighted although they don't personally affect me because they say a lot more about you than they say about coterie members.
If you meant something else by your comments then I'm sorry if I misinterpreted them.
Funny that you blokes show these types of opinions towards coterie groups but then have delusions of grandeur when you think someone isn't a member :lol
:huh
Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about
Quote me or don't post. And don't quote posts that are obviously in jest! I have never ever said anything of the sort. If anything I've defended people that have been told off for not being members.
So instead of making up disparaging crap, do your research a bit better.
:lol so you're trying to encourage me to wade through some junk to find a post I remember vividly and when I do you can claim it was in jest? No thanks I'm sure other people remember it anyway. Nice try to deflect though, telling me to "do my research".
So you want to criticize but not back up your criticism.
That is pee weak.
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Your memory is also shyzen.
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How will non-members go getting some decent enough seats on the 1st level?
Sorry but I don't feel sorry for them. Even a 3 game membership would give them access.......
Some people can't even make 3 games...
P.S no one asked if you feel sorry for them, only how they'd go getting a ticket.
So they can't buy a three game membership for the club but can afford to buy a finals ticket and can make the trip in to see the final but can't get to a game or two during the year? Ok.
That's one of them I can find :shh :shh
Lemme guess, all in jest?
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How will non-members go getting some decent enough seats on the 1st level?
Sorry but I don't feel sorry for them. Even a 3 game membership would give them access.......
Some people can't even make 3 games...
P.S no one asked if you feel sorry for them, only how they'd go getting a ticket.
So they can't buy a three game membership for the club but can afford to buy a finals ticket and can make the trip in to see the final but can't get to a game or two during the year? Ok.
That's one of them I can find :shh :shh
Lemme guess, all in jest?
The context was about affording expensive finals tickets bit not affording even a 3 game membership. The premise being that you shouldn't be cashing in only if they are successful and not supporting them when they are trying to get there. That is what people call bandwagon supporters.
If people can't even afford a 3 game membership, then finals tickets would be well out of their league.
I feel for those who are in that situation but not the other.
Can't you see the difference?
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:lol
Sideshow with the whole forward 50 to himself in that last forward entry and what does he do?
Doesn't offer anything. :rollin
Edwards kicked to space but he still tailed the defender. What a footy moron.
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The worst one was on the wing when he had position and all he had to do was put his knee/leg up to brace himself for the front on contact and talk the mark. Didn't do that and dropped the mark.
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0 disposals 0 tackles and 2 dropped marks so far
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0 disposals 0 tackles and 2 dropped marks so far
Batchelor at least has a goal assist.......for the Suns.... :clapping
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1 and a half quarters in
Still donuts
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Griffiths 50 meter penalty and sideshow has all that time to organise himself and offer something
What does he do?
Nothing. :rollin
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The miracle man!!!!!
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Bronx cheers :laugh:.
Knowing Ty, he'll probably now kick 3-4 in the second half and finish top goalscorer for the game lol.
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How many times has he gone up for one handed marks....
Then the bronx cheer lol
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Batchelor has played better for the Suns that Vickery has for us.. :banghead
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Please trade him Richmond, sack his old man too.
And may the Vickery name be stricken from all records.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
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Batchelor has played better for the Suns that Vickery has for us.. :banghead
This thread is about Vickery.
Post about Batch in the Batchelor thread please.
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Kicked a goal
Did his job, on ya Vicks :clapping
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Kicked a goal
Did his job, on ya Vicks :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Batchelor has played better for the Suns that Vickery has for us.. :banghead
This thread is about Vickery.
Post about Batch in the Batchelor thread please.
ummmmm...NO!!
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"Tyrone Vickery was the only player on the ground yet to register a disposal at the 26-minute mark of the second quarter. In two minutes he has taken two contested marks inside 50, converting his second opportunity." :clapping
Amazing when the ball is delivered properly.
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"Tyrone Vickery was the only player on the ground yet to register a disposal at the 26-minute mark of the second quarter. In two minutes he has taken two contested marks inside 50, converting his second opportunity." :clapping
Amazing when the ball is delivered properly.
It's more amazing when a player is prepared to work hard, demand the ball & lead.
I don't understand your love for sideshow.
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"Tyrone Vickery was the only player on the ground yet to register a disposal at the 26-minute mark of the second quarter. In two minutes he has taken two contested marks inside 50, converting his second opportunity." :clapping
Amazing when the ball is delivered properly.
It's more amazing when a player is prepared to work hard, demand the ball & lead.
I don't understand your love for sideshow.
I don't understand the love for Batchelor either. We don't have many tall's, we need them at the moment, I think Vickery has more of an upside as Bitchelor.
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How will non-members go getting some decent enough seats on the 1st level?
Sorry but I don't feel sorry for them. Even a 3 game membership would give them access.......
Some people can't even make 3 games...
P.S no one asked if you feel sorry for them, only how they'd go getting a ticket.
So they can't buy a three game membership for the club but can afford to buy a finals ticket and can make the trip in to see the final but can't get to a game or two during the year? Ok.
That's one of them I can find :shh :shh
Lemme guess, all in jest?
The context was about affording expensive finals tickets bit not affording even a 3 game membership. The premise being that you shouldn't be cashing in only if they are successful and not supporting them when they are trying to get there. That is what people call bandwagon supporters.
If people can't even afford a 3 game membership, then finals tickets would be well out of their league.
I feel for those who are in that situation but not the other.
Can't you see the difference?
Or you know, you have mates from other teams but you all want to go and watch the footy together but there's no point bringing this argument back up. Just funny I suppose, not like this is the only time you've looked down on people who don't have memberships
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Kicked a goal
Did his job, on ya Vicks :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping
Unbelievable...
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"Tyrone Vickery was the only player on the ground yet to register a disposal at the 26-minute mark of the second quarter. In two minutes he has taken two contested marks inside 50, converting his second opportunity." :clapping
Amazing when the ball is delivered properly.
There are no words...
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2 duds, one at least tries his guts out while the other just plonks around half paced expecting it to be spoon fed to him over the back. Youd think it'd be an easy choice but apparently not
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2 duds, one at least tries his guts out while the other just plonks around half paced expecting it to be spoon fed to him over the back. Youd think it'd be an easy choice but apparently not
Who was dropped????? Yep, easy choice.
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Yep.
The thing is no one on here thinks batch is the future or worth keeping on the list after this year. I don't understand why he thinks people love him :huh and then he over compensates by sticking up for even bigger spuds
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2 duds, one at least tries his guts out while the other just plonks around half paced expecting it to be spoon fed to him over the back. Youd think it'd be an easy choice but apparently not
Who was dropped????? Yep, easy choice.
So you highly rate Dimmas opinion? I know you wanted him to get his extension but wake up.
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2 duds, one at least tries his guts out while the other just plonks around half paced expecting it to be spoon fed to him over the back. Youd think it'd be an easy choice but apparently not
Who was dropped????? Yep, easy choice.
So you highly rate Dimmas opinion? I know you wanted him to get his extension but wake up.
Exactly
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Well done Vickery, set Griff up!!!!!
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Well done Vickery, set Griff up!!!!!
He's had 3 stuffing touches and you're sitting here talking him up and clapping his every touch. Hilarious.
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Dont understand the Batch v Vickery stuff but to be honest neither should be there next week. Seeing this thread is about Vickery my feeling is that I wish somebody from the 2's would stand up and take his spot. Also I think the Vickery v Griffiths argument should be over. Those that can't see that have not been really watching.
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"Tyrone Vickery was the only player on the ground yet to register a disposal at the 26-minute mark of the second quarter. In two minutes he has taken two contested marks inside 50, converting his second opportunity." :clapping
Amazing when the ball is delivered properly.
It's more amazing when a player is prepared to work hard, demand the ball & lead.
I don't understand your love for sideshow.
I don't understand the love for Batchelor either. We don't have many tall's, we need them at the moment, I think Vickery has more of an upside as Bitchelor.
I have no love for Batchelor either as I think he's very limited and a prime example of accepting mediocre players. If we want to be better we need to look beyond the Batchelor types.
But your support for Sideshow just doesn't make sense.
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Dont understand the Batch v Vickery stuff but to be honest neither should be there next week. Seeing this thread is about Vickery my feeling is that I wish somebody from the 2's would stand up and take his spot. Also I think the Vickery v Griffiths argument should be over. Those that can't see that have not been really watching.
Correct on both counts:
both Vickery and batch should be banished and let go at seasons end
The Vickery and Griff argument is settled - both spuds
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Can't see Batch or Vickers play next game
They are terrible
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Well he had 3 touches and a knock on this week, which is an improvement on the 2 possies he had a few weeks back so he gets a pass.
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How were the bronx cheers :lol
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How were the bronx cheers :lol
Was deserved. He is useless.
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Give me the bullets, I'll pull the flicking trigger
Hampson is the quintessential disease that sums us up, vickery pfft won't get and don't expect anything for him just shoot the homo, Batchelor can't hit a target at 25 metres under no pressure.
There's players and coaches in our team that have caused this disease man up and let the axe swing, today was disgusting.
Conca is or can be alright just like a few others that just don't get that opportunity the way we are ATM.
We don't play footy the way it should be played, if we did I think/know a few of our players would flourish.
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How were the bronx cheers :lol
McBean chuffed
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Can't see Batch or Vickers play next game
They are terrible
Of course they stuffing will.....especially as it's only Brisbane....oh look they're both important players....
How were the bronx cheers :lol
McBean chuffed
...yeah chuffed that he'll be leaving this dopey club, it's idiot coach and his pathetic, suffocating gameplan....
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Lmfao still.
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McBean Griffiths jack must never play together
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Vickery should be dropped after that performance. Did not work hard enough.
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Vickery should be dropped after that performance. Did not work hard enough.
West Coast game.
Freo game.
Gold Coast game.
Total number of possessions for those 3 games is: 10 :thumbsdown
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Well he had 3 touches and a knock on this week, which is an improvement on the 2 possies he had a few weeks back so he gets a pass.
Wasn't a day for goal kickers and you know when that happens they don't need to offer anything else.
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Stats mean nothing, just has to do the job...will get it all together soon and look out... :clapping
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Look at what?
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Look at what?
Are you completely senile, what are you on about now???
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Look at what?
Are you completely senile, what are you on about now???
Ah you edited it. Don't worry it makes sense now
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Look at what?
Are you completely senile, what are you on about now???
Ah you edited it. Don't worry it makes sense now
Are you completely senile, what are you on about now???
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enough wat youre ruining every stuffing thread with your bs
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enough wat youre ruining every stuffing thread with your bs
Nice, just me is it champ??
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enough wat youre ruining every stuffing thread with your bs
Nice, just me is it champ??
Yes it (mainly) is.
You are so far off the mark on practically every thread of late that people don't know whether you are serious or not. Its that bad. Case in point, at the ground yesterday when people were Bronx cheering Vickerys disposals you were genuinely revelling in how good he was.
You wonder why people don't debate the issues, well, read between the lines because there's nothing to debate. And then you take pot shots. It's ridiculous.
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Couldn't read the ball if it was printed in 36 font
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enough wat youre ruining every stuffing thread with your bs
Nice, just me is it champ??
Yes it (mainly) is.
You are so far off the mark on practically every thread of late that people don't know whether you are serious or not. Its that bad. Case in point, at the ground yesterday when people were Bronx cheering Vickerys disposals you were genuinely revelling in how good he was.
You wonder why people don't debate the issues, well, read between the lines because there's nothing to debate. And then you take pot shots. It's ridiculous.
You are no better, neither are the other posters engaging with me (or me for that matter), so you know what, get off your pedestal, it's easy to throw stones in your glass house when you think you are right. You are no better in the Batchelor thread or the Hampson thread, so go and have a think about the way you act to before you criticise.
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Still think Vickery has something to offer, it's taken Griff a long time to click and he isn't there yet, question is, do we have the time and patience or will he be traded?
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enough wat youre ruining every stuffing thread with your bs
Nice, just me is it champ??
Yes it (mainly) is.
You are so far off the mark on practically every thread of late that people don't know whether you are serious or not. Its that bad. Case in point, at the ground yesterday when people were Bronx cheering Vickerys disposals you were genuinely revelling in how good he was.
You wonder why people don't debate the issues, well, read between the lines because there's nothing to debate. And then you take pot shots. It's ridiculous.
You are no better, neither are the other posters engaging with me (or me for that matter), so you know what, get off your pedestal, it's easy to throw stones in your glass house when you think you are right. You are no better in the Batchelor thread or the Hampson thread, so go and have a think about the way you act to before you criticise.
That doesn't make any sense.
And I said in the game day thread Batchelor made terrible mistakes because he was terrible. Just like Vickery.
Now stop ruining the threads for everyone.
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Good point, I think we should give Vickery the same amount of time we have Griffiths........
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I think it has been 5 weeks in a row now that Vickery has had less than 10 disposals.
Is that acceptable Hardwick?
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Still think Vickery has something to offer, it's taken Griff a long time to click and he isn't there yet, question is, do we have the time and patience or will he be traded?
WAT i watched him yesterday and believe me, he has nothing left to offer. He is so lazy and plays like a skinny flanker not a 200cm keg forward. I am over him playing for us and would be happy to get a pick for him. He teases us with a few goals here and there but he just doesn't play for the team or work hard enough.
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I just honestly cant see why someone like that can't get it together, so I am still holding out hope I suppose. I think its the "teasing" as you said why I am hanging on. A bit like a few did with Gus back in the day...
Oh well I will stay on his wagon until the end of the year, if he hasn't manned up by then, well goodbye.
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He's got to be the dumbest current football player in the competition.
Looks to be way off the pace at AFL level and just doesn't seem fit enough.
Why is it so?
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Yin or Yang .
Either Griffiths is firing or Vickery . One or the other . Never together.
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If, as some have suggested, we're only playing him to bump up his value, I'm pretty sure it would be currently having the opposite effect.
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I've been on this guy's bandwagon for a while now.
I think he needs a stint in the twos.
I know McBean isn't setting the world on fire and maybe Hardwick doesn't want to play him, but let's play Maric as a forward then. He has showed that he can take a mark and kick a goal before. Just wouldn't play as a lead up forward which we hardly use anyway.
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Would rather play McBean as a forward than Maric. If Vickery dropped we need a lead up forward.
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How could Vickery be dropped while B Ellis is still running around out there? If they were both dropped fair enough but there is no consistency otherwise.
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How could Vickery look so tired in every contest when he only plays about 57% of the game time. And he plays deep forward which means less running!!
Lazy?
Unfit?
Injured?
He is paid and trains as a professional endurance athlete. Something is seriously wrong here??
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I agree, WAT.
I'm not surprised tho.
Dimmer, as we know, has Nfi so he probably thinks it would REALLY send a message.
LMAO.
Clueless
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Sack his dad
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How could Vickery be dropped while B Ellis is still running around out there? If they were both dropped fair enough but there is no consistency otherwise.
It's mind boggling
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Mick Warner on 3aw last night said Vickery won't be at Richmond next year.
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The problems with Ty are as follows
1. He cannot read play at all well
2. He seems to lack aerobic capacity so even if he gets close to reading the play he still can't get there in time
Thus, he is generally a liability despite the fact that when he is around the ball in general play he has considerable skills.
Furthermore, the silly coaches keep playing Griff, Ty and Hampson despite their relatively low possessions and limited grunt. They need in my view to tell Ty that if he can't fix his style in the VFL then he won't have a future and we need to move on. Why can't we have McBean in for 4-6 games for a look?
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Couldn't read a ball if it was written in English.
High maintenance loser with zero footy brain.
Waste of space
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We need to eff him right off
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The problems with Ty are as follows
1. He cannot read play at all well
2. He seems to lack aerobic capacity so even if he gets close to reading the play he still can't get there in time
Thus, he is generally a liability despite the fact that when he is around the ball in general play he has considerable skills.
Furthermore, the silly coaches keep playing Griff, Ty and Hampson despite their relatively low possessions and limited grunt. They need in my view to tell Ty that if he can't fix his style in the VFL then he won't have a future and we need to move on. Why can't we have McBean in for 4-6 games for a look?
3. He's a dumb football player.
4. He lacks presence and doesn't impose himself
5. He is lazy, won't chase, shepherd, tackle, work hard, won't bust his arse for the good of the team.
6. He's an imposter. How did this bozo find his way in the top 10 is mindboggling. He is single handedly making Melbournes 2008 recruiting year look good compared to our outcomes which makes our 2008 draft the worst recruiting by our club since 2004 but still not as bad as our 2005 effort. :rollin
7. He is becoming a worse player in his prime footy years.
8. He is not a team player.
9. He disgraces the jumper we all love & cherish
10. His dad sent his highlights package to Betamax Jackson landed him a pick in the top 10. :clapping
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Talented footballer who doesn't have the motivation to bring out the best in himself.
Doesn't work anywhere near hard enough.
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Is it possible Hardwick has worn him down with his negativity?
The way we move the footy into our forwards would kill anyone's spirit. And we have been doing it for years now.
We are the worst coached side in the comp IMO.
In saying all that I want him traded along with all the others that continually let us down in important games. We all know who they are.
Be ruthless Tigers, none us will care if mistakes have been made previously with drafting, just don't make more mistakes holding onto guys that let us all down.
FJ has to go first and foremost too. No more chances.
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Yeah you nailed it
:facepalm
Is also the cause of global warming
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Yeah you nailed it
:facepalm
Is also the cause of global warming
I KNEW IT!! Bloody CAAAARBON TAX!!
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Couldn't read a ball if it was written in English.
High maintenance loser with zero footy brain.
Waste of space
at least you have something in common
While I agree with Swooper, TV, got drafted by RFC, gets picked to play and does what he can.
Bag the people who drafted him but don't bag Ty
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Couldn't read a ball if it was written in English.
High maintenance loser with zero footy brain.
Waste of space
at least you have something in common
While I agree with Swooper, TV, got drafted by RFC, gets picked to play and does what he can.
Bag the people who drafted him but don't bag Ty
does he really? :)
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Couldn't read a ball if it was written in English.
High maintenance loser with zero footy brain.
Waste of space
at least you have something in common
While I agree with Swooper, TV, got drafted by RFC, gets picked to play and does what he can.
Bag the people who drafted him but don't bag Ty
This comment is wrong on so many levels....youd have to believe something like the following series of falsehhoods to get there:-
1) Accountability is not a desirable core player value to desire at an afl club.
2) Self responsibility and self reflection as a player have no role.
3) Vickery busts a gut and is a 'tryer', like a Morris or Jack Viney.
4) Vickery is a victim. His shortfalls are completely the responsibiliy of others.
5) he is above criticism.
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He's a headstrong girl who won't be told or guided by anyone, much like the posters who support his efforts.
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Couldn't read a ball if it was written in English.
High maintenance loser with zero footy brain.
Waste of space
at least you have something in common
While I agree with Swooper, TV, got drafted by RFC, gets picked to play and does what he can.
Bag the people who drafted him but don't bag Ty
This comment is wrong on so many levels....youd have to believe something like the following series of falsehhoods to get there:-
1) Accountability is not a desirable core player value to desire at an afl club.
2) Self responsibility and self reflection as a player have no role.
3) Vickery busts a gut and is a 'tryer', like a Morris or Jack Viney.
4) Vickery is a victim. His shortfalls are completely the responsibiliy of others.
5) he is above criticism.
Agree 100%
Yet he still gets picked, what is wrong here?
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I'd be happy if he got a haircut.
:snidegrin
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Couldn't read a ball if it was written in English.
High maintenance loser with zero footy brain.
Waste of space
at least you have something in common
While I agree with Swooper, TV, got drafted by RFC, gets picked to play and does what he can.
Bag the people who drafted him but don't bag Ty
This comment is wrong on so many levels....youd have to believe something like the following series of falsehhoods to get there:-
1) Accountability is not a desirable core player value to desire at an afl club.
2) Self responsibility and self reflection as a player have no role.
3) Vickery busts a gut and is a 'tryer', like a Morris or Jack Viney.
4) Vickery is a victim. His shortfalls are completely the responsibiliy of others.
5) he is above criticism.
Agree 100%
Yet he still gets picked, what is wrong here?
Clearly i am.
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Dooks, it is the RFC way which needs to change, you are 100% correct, but until we change our list management we will have to put up with sub par performances from sub par players, it is not the players fault.
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Not the players fault?
:facepalm
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Dooks, it is the RFC way which needs to change, you are 100% correct, but until we change our list management we will have to put up with sub par performances from sub par players, it is not the players fault.
I would say im sorry for getting it so wrong, but, as youd understand its really the forums fault i got it wrong and not mine.
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Dooks, it is the RFC way which needs to change, you are 100% correct, but until we change our list management we will have to put up with sub par performances from sub par players, it is not the players fault.
I would say im sorry for getting it so wrong, but, as youd understand its really the forums fault i got it wrong and not mine.
I think RFC got it wrong
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It was Dimma, he's to blame for everything
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Q. Will there be rival interest in Ty Vickery as a Free Agent/Trade??
A. There will be rival interest in Vickery. Blokes who can play forward and pinch hit in the ruck are hard to find. Clubs would want to take him as FA rather than trading. HIs preference is to stay at Punt Rd but talks moving at a glacial pace.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-23/chat-live-with-aflcomaus-free-agency-expert-nick-bowen
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Blokes who can play forward and pinch hit in the ruck are hard to find.
I suggest they keep looking. He can't do either
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Blokes who can play forward and pinch hit in the ruck are hard to find.
I suggest they keep looking. He can't do either
Have to laugh when he pulls out of ruck contests....
Don't believe me? Watch Saturday....
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He won't leave and dimmer won't sack him
Ain't love stuffn grand.
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Happy to see how he played the rest of the year out. Doesnt matter to some though, he could kick 10, with 15 marks, 8 inside 50's and 10 tackles and he would be treated the same as if he didn't get a touch. Ah... the blindfold gang. :snidegrin
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Blokes who can play forward and pinch hit in the ruck are hard to find.
I suggest they keep looking. He can't do either
Have to laugh when he pulls out of ruck contests....
Don't believe me? Watch Saturday....
Not that I don't believe you but for him to make it I reckon he has to become a permanent ruck. Does he have the balls and the fitness? Probably not but he's a proven spud forward. Not bad around the ground as a ruckman.
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Agree....always looks better on ball even if he can't ruck for shyte...like an extra mid, is good in traffic and can't hide.....easier to rove when you know your ruck is going to lose every hit out out than when it's 50/50 anyway...
....anyway....no doubt he'll help himself to a bag of Joe's against Brisbane's hacks & kids and all will be well again..... :gotigers
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Needed to be dropped.
Look at the two guys dropped this year - Miles and Griff. Both came back and are playing very good footy.
Why couldn't Ty be dropped to set a standard for him to achieve like the other two?
I think this is Hardwick's worst trait - setting a standard of excellence that is consistent for all members in the squad.
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Disgraceful. Small efforts in a few contests otherwise useless as usual.
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Needed to be dropped.
Look at the two guys dropped this year - Miles and Griff. Both came back and are playing very good footy.
Nah apparently dropping those two had absolutely nothing to do with their form
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After listening to Hardwick's presser all TV has to do is provide a contest and thats his role and apparently did what he had to do today. He aint going out of the side unless he gets reported or injured from what i can tell.
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After listening to Hardwick's presser all TV has to do is provide a contest and thats his role and apparently did what he had to do today. He aint going out of the side unless he gets reported or injured from what i can tell.
:cheers
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After listening to Hardwick's presser all TV has to do is provide a contest and thats his role and apparently did what he had to do today. He aint going out of the side unless he gets reported or injured from what i can tell.
Why try to win or even provide a sufficient run of win on wins when you can 'provide a contest' against 17th for a pass
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After listening to Hardwick's presser all TV has to do is provide a contest and thats his role and apparently did what he had to do today. He aint going out of the side unless he gets reported or injured from what i can tell.
Why try to win or even provide a sufficient run of win on wins when you can 'provide a contest' against 17th for a pass
26 year old pick #8 ...
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Testcard_F.jpg)
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Comment of the night on Big Footy - "Ben Nason was a better lead up forward. At least he had ticker"
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5. Vickery's moment of magic
He's so often the whipping boy, but Tyrone Vickery gave Tigers fans a reason to smile when he snapped his team's ninth goal of the game. Using his left boot, he floated the ball through to provide what was arguably the contest's best highlight. Perhaps even better was his response, a small shrug of the shoulders to the crowd before turning to celebrate with his teammates, as if to signify that he, like everyone else, wasn't expecting a goal either.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/746563538836062209
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-25/five-talking-points-richmond-v-brisbane-lions
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Simply no good and playing with no confidence at all :help
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This must be the last time he plays for us.....surely :banghead
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Didn't pace himself young Tyrone, had 5 disposals in the second qtr, then blew up and finished on6.
Pace yourself Ty
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Him & one game wonder boy Griffiths can both pee off.
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Didn't pace himself young Tyrone, had 5 disposals in the second qtr, then blew up and finished on6.
Pace yourself Ty
Blew up when running through the banner....
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and the nuffer comes out defending ty again on bf, gold
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Him & one game wonder boy Griffiths can both pee off.
:thumbsup
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FFS, Blame the rest of the team before Ty....watch it, seriously.
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FFS, Blame the rest of the team before Ty....watch it, seriously.
You bag Batchelor, Edwards and number of others but this underperforming Cameo Kimg is exempt from any criticism
Why is that
Apart from 8 mins he was shocking
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and the nuffer comes out defending ty again on bf, gold
Big Footy? Tiggerman22? That halfwit has to be related or something....
FFS, Blame the rest of the team before Ty....watch it, seriously.
Ok , you're clearly just trying to copy Jackoff's "defend all the duds to annoy people" troll shtick now...pathetic....
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yes to both ^^
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Gee some FWTS on this forum.
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yes there are...
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Anyone want to name The other 200cm peaheart in Griffiths in the same debate as Vickery.
It is actually funny Peaherats in Vickery and Griffiths McBean walking and McKenzie retired. But i suppose people still think the kpf stocks are fine.
Now lets talk ruckmen and Kpd's shall we lol.
But wait lets target mids first. Oh dear.
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Gee some FWTS on this forum.
Some people actually watch the game and want to engage in intellectual conversations. You're embarrassing yourself trying to keep up.
Anyone want to name The other 200cm peaheart in Griffiths in the same debate as Vickery.
It is actually funny Peaherats in Vickery and Griffiths McBean walking and McKenzie retired. But i suppose people still think the kpf stocks are fine.
Now lets talk ruckmen and Kpd's shall we lol.
But wait lets target mids first. Oh dear.
Pea hearts everywhere indeed.
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Vickery wont waste my breath, Griff the dissapointing one for mine hes like jeckyll and hyde
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It's cruel to keep playing Ty. He clearly is not enjoying it at all and millions are watching it each week.
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Vickery wont waste my breath, Griff the dissapointing one for mine hes like jeckyll and hyde
No his not. There's only ever been one side to poor old battered griff and that's pathetic.
I would argue outside of his draft selection he has been worse than vickery.
Both are pathetic let's be honest here
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Old Griff lol. Flying for marks one handed all night, in pouring rain :lol
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Vickery wont waste my breath, Griff the dissapointing one for mine hes like jeckyll and hyde
No his not. There's only ever been one side to poor old battered griff and that's pathetic.
I would argue outside of his draft selection he has been worse than vickery.
Both are pathetic let's be honest here
Gus, as much as I have wanted to give Griff a go, it is now obvious, have to agree, both are not up to it.
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Vickery wont waste my breath, Griff the dissapointing one for mine hes like jeckyll and hyde
No his not. There's only ever been one side to poor old battered griff and that's pathetic.
I would argue outside of his draft selection he has been worse than vickery.
Both are pathetic let's be honest here
Gus, as much as I have wanted to give Griff a go, it is now obvious, have to agree, both are not up to it.
Logically, if you are right, we have nothing to lose by dropping both and playing the kids. Elton, Chol etc etc couldnt do any worse.
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Vickery wont waste my breath, Griff the dissapointing one for mine hes like jeckyll and hyde
No his not. There's only ever been one side to poor old battered griff and that's pathetic.
I would argue outside of his draft selection he has been worse than vickery.
Both are pathetic let's be honest here
Gus, as much as I have wanted to give Griff a go, it is now obvious, have to agree, both are not up to it.
Yep both have to go, the positive is we won't lose much if anything at all by never playing them again.
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FFS, Blame the rest of the team before Ty....watch it, seriously.
what exactly did Ty do that puts him above critisism?
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FFS, Blame the rest of the team before Ty....watch it, seriously.
what exactly did Ty do that puts him above critisism?
He has WAT's stamp of approval Al, get with the program pal.
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Thought his first half was ok (which is as much as you can hope for with Ty). Second half was as bad as you will see from an an AFL footballer. Reckon his body language might mean this is the week he'll finally get dropped.
Agree with most of the comments above that we can now be pretty certain at this stage of their careers that Vickery and Griff will never be consistent AFL standard key forwards.
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Tiger selectors got it very wrong going into a game where the conditions didn't suit tall players. Was never going to win this game & l don't think Richmond wanted too.
Tyrone did more than Griffiths & people expect these 200cm players to perform in a blizzard get real
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FFS, Blame the rest of the team before Ty....watch it, seriously.
what exactly did Ty do that puts him above critisism?
He has WAT's stamp of approval Al, get with the program pal.
:lol
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Loved it when he abused Lloyd for selling him into trouble.....after he called for the ball....
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Tiger selectors got it very wrong going into a game where the conditions didn't suit tall players. Was never going to win this game & l don't think Richmond wanted too.
Tyrone did more than Griffiths & people expect these 200cm players to perform in a blizzard get real
Both were poor last night. In fairness to Griff, he does not have the luxury of just playing forward. He is expected to ruck too and did so for a fair part of the game. He is also instructed to palm the ball down to our players when he think he may not mark it and has been doing that too much for my liking. Griff also don't berate team mates which Ty seems to do all the time and that must not be good for team harmony.
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Tiger selectors got it very wrong going into a game where the conditions didn't suit tall players. Was never going to win this game & l don't think Richmond wanted too.
Tyrone did more than Griffiths & people expect these 200cm players to perform in a blizzard get real
Effort is the key word, particularily in those conditions. You want the big blokes to contest and bring the ball to ground.
Even when this did happen, Lloyd was the only bloke close to causing headaches for the opposition, though
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Tiger selectors got it very wrong going into a game where the conditions didn't suit tall players. Was never going to win this game & l don't think Richmond wanted too.
Tyrone did more than Griffiths & people expect these 200cm players to perform in a blizzard get real
Both were poor last night. In fairness to Griff, he does not have the luxury of just playing forward. He is expected to ruck too and did so for a fair part of the game. He is also instructed to palm the ball down to our players when he think he may not mark it and has been doing that too much for my liking. Griff also don't berate team mates which Ty seems to do all the time and that must not be good for team harmony.
You are correct. Both were poor last night. But at least Griff chases and tackles which is so lacking in our side. Vickery wouldn't even know what chasing was. For me Vickery must go end of season. I would argue Griff should stay but this is the Vickery thread.
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Basket case.
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Tiger selectors got it very wrong going into a game where the conditions didn't suit tall players. Was never going to win this game & l don't think Richmond wanted too.
Tyrone did more than Griffiths & people expect these 200cm players to perform in a blizzard get real
Both were poor last night. In fairness to Griff, he does not have the luxury of just playing forward. He is expected to ruck too and did so for a fair part of the game. He is also instructed to palm the ball down to our players when he think he may not mark it and has been doing that too much for my liking. Griff also don't berate team mates which Ty seems to do all the time and that must not be good for team harmony.
Agree. Whilst it was not a night for tall players because of the conditions Vickery dropped some critical marks which if he had taken would have stemmed the tide.
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Pea heart. Trade asap
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Think the club now realise where they are at with Ty
Won't play next week 😉
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Better late than never eh
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Better late than never eh
;D
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I'll believe it when i see it
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Hi peg
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He's cherry ripe to kick a bag next week
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From Jon Ralph's "dislikes" column:
1. TYRONE VICKERY
He might have knocked You-Know-Who off the podium as the league’s chief finger-pointer and arm-waver.
The Tigers free agent was at it again on Thursday night when ignored on a short hit-up lead, furiously berating his midfield for ignoring him.
Seconds later he failed to fly for a pack mark when he just had to go leaving Port Adelaide skipper Travis Boak to mark uncontested.
On the next Richmond entry Vickery was ignored again for Jack Riewoldt, who actually helps his teammates by leading at the ball carrier.
Up went the arms again in furious disagreement as Ty went off like a two-bob watch.
For the record, he had five kicks and two tackles for the game.
He is far from Richmond’s only issue, but once again he failed to make life easier for his half backs and midfielders by presenting a consistent, reliable leading target.
Richmond seems to be slowly moving towards a new contract but a potential second-round compensation pick might have the Tigers thinking twice about letting him go.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-15-dreamers-good-blokes-and-ty-vickery-dummy-spits/news-story/11ec302813898c207fb690a4301c8acd
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From Jon Ralph's "dislikes" column:
1. TYRONE VICKERY
He might have knocked You-Know-Who off the podium as the league’s chief finger-pointer and arm-waver.
The Tigers free agent was at it again on Thursday night when ignored on a short hit-up lead, furiously berating his midfield for ignoring him.
Seconds later he failed to fly for a pack mark when he just had to go leaving Port Adelaide skipper Travis Boak to mark uncontested.
On the next Richmond entry Vickery was ignored again for Jack Riewoldt, who actually helps his teammates by leading at the ball carrier.
Up went the arms again in furious disagreement as Ty went off like a two-bob watch.
For the record, he had five kicks and two tackles for the game.
He is far from Richmond’s only issue, but once again he failed to make life easier for his half backs and midfielders by presenting a consistent, reliable leading target.
Richmond seems to be slowly moving towards a new contract but a potential second-round compensation pick might have the Tigers thinking twice about letting him go.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-15-dreamers-good-blokes-and-ty-vickery-dummy-spits/news-story/11ec302813898c207fb690a4301c8acd
I'd let this POS go for a sausage in bread...
...minus the sausage...
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Bag of urinal cakes and a broken toaster.
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Bag of urinal cakes and a broken toaster.
bag of urinal cake minus the cake
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even taking into account the difference in opportunities, compare his game to Rances.
Yeah OK Rance is probably approaching freak status, but surely they still played in the same conditions, yet their games were poles apart.
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even taking into account the difference in opportunities, compare his game to Rances.
Yeah OK Rance is probably approaching freak status, but surely they still played in the same conditions, yet their games were poles apart.
Reckon the goalpost showed more ticker than Ty - especially after qtr time
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Vickery was putrid on Friday but so was the forward 50 entries and the forward set up. I just don't understand why we have to constantly hanball backwards to a player under pressure who has to rush the kick. Are we really just that stupid?
I get the feeling they are playing to Harwick's instructions. Move it quickly and play on quickly. It just isn't working because we keep running into trouble and rushing the kicks inside 50.
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Vickery, ahh well, I don't think he took one mark on Friday night?
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Did a lot of finger pointing and posturing when he wasn't the chosen F50 option.
Then didn't go to contest incoming kicks...
Bloke must know his days are numbered...
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Is he decreasing his FA compensation value with these poo performances, or is that already set?
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missed a couple critical marks in the third quarter
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his falling over for no apparent reason stats are still solid though
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Still giving him until the end of the season to show something.
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Still giving him until the end of the season to show something.
Nope ...we are entering junk time.
I thought he had turned the corner late last year ....first to admit I now have egg on my face.
Must be dropped for Mcbean . I dont care how lazy Mcbean is ...we can't carry Vickery any more.
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From Jon Ralph's "dislikes" column:
1. TYRONE VICKERY
He might have knocked You-Know-Who off the podium as the league’s chief finger-pointer and arm-waver.
The Tigers free agent was at it again on Thursday night when ignored on a short hit-up lead, furiously berating his midfield for ignoring him.
Seconds later he failed to fly for a pack mark when he just had to go leaving Port Adelaide skipper Travis Boak to mark uncontested.
On the next Richmond entry Vickery was ignored again for Jack Riewoldt, who actually helps his teammates by leading at the ball carrier.
Up went the arms again in furious disagreement as Ty went off like a two-bob watch.
For the record, he had five kicks and two tackles for the game.
He is far from Richmond’s only issue, but once again he failed to make life easier for his half backs and midfielders by presenting a consistent, reliable leading target.
Richmond seems to be slowly moving towards a new contract but a potential second-round compensation pick might have the Tigers thinking twice about letting him go.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-15-dreamers-good-blokes-and-ty-vickery-dummy-spits/news-story/11ec302813898c207fb690a4301c8acd
if anyone at the Club is even considering a new deal for him they should be sacked on the spot!
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#tyexit #rebean
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Still giving him until the end of the season to show something.
You would.
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Still giving him until the end of the season to show something.
You would.
Well done.
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Still giving him until the end of the season to show something.
Seriously?
8 years, 116 games.
And you want to see if he will show us something? As opposed to playing the likes of McBean or Chol?
I've seen more than I can stomach of this gutless, lazy MF.
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Guys you are so so hard on him.
The way he ran onto Titch's long kick and loped into goal without breaking stride
Was phenomenal.
Does Jack do that. Please.
Vickery is the Romario of AFL.
One chance one goal.
One goal for every three touches.
Vickery is a goal poacher extraordinaire.
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116 games oh my. What an absolute waste of a draft pick.
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i bet we re-sign him
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If I was Hardwick I would give Tyrone a game this week with one rock solid guaranteed condition. Ty if anybody tags and disrespects your captain like last week you are to do what is needed Dean Cox style to sort them out....
Make them feel the pain they deserve for targeting the captain of Richmond.
Just a fantasy because nothing tough like that ever happens at Richmond anymore because we are the softest club in the comp.
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If I was Hardwick I would give Tyrone a game this week with one rock solid guaranteed condition. Ty if anybody tags and disrespects your captain like last week you are to do what is needed Dean Cox style to sort them out....
Make them feel the pain they deserve for targeting the captain of Richmond.
Just a fantasy because nothing tough like that ever happens at Richmond anymore because we are the softest club in the comp.
Dusty went into rescue Cotch many times & had to fight his own taggers as well. For Tiger players to allow the captain to get smashed on the boundary while on top of the Port player fighting was nothing more than pee weak & that is where the players are falling down. They are not prepared to play for each other but a few of them & a few don't win you games. Big game from Tyrone this week
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Richmond has to cut Ty Vickery, writes Mark Robinson
MARK ROBINSON
Herald Sun
July 5, 2016
TYRONE Vickery’s days at Richmond surely are numbered.
The Tigers can’t play finals, the Tigers are in a rebuild, so the football department must make hard decisions.
The decision on Vickery is an easy one: He can’t be at the Tigers next year.
That’s not to say his career is over. He is a free agent and he can go to a club willing to give him a spot on the list.
Fremantle might cut his dollars in half, but he would get an opportunity with Matthew Pavlich retiring and Zac Clarke probably out of luck and chances.
Melbourne maybe. Carlton maybe. Anyone else?
It’s slim pickings.
He can’t stay at Richmond.
While coach Damien Hardwick is wearing his honesty hat — finals are gone, he said — he has to be brutally honest with Vickery.
It’s been eight years for Ty. He’s a good, decent bloke, but it hasn’t worked out.
From the start, it seems he’s been a round peg trying to fit into a square hole.
When he was drafted, he was described in the AFL Guide as a player with “huge raps as a ruckman and potential power forward”.
Ty Vickery is not the answer to the Tigers’ woes and must be allowed to leave as a free agent at the end of the season. Picture: Colleen Petch
He was drafted No.8 in 2008, the first of the key forwards/talls in the draft.
The Tigers needed a second key forward and it’s why they plumped for the kid from Sandringham. They needed key position players, which is why they opted for Jayden Post at No.26.
And it’s why they left midfielders David Zaharakis (23), Dayne Beams (29), Dan Hannebery (30), Steven Motlop (39) and Rory Sloane (44).
It was an average draft for the talls.
He can be an easy target, Vickery, but his output this year has made him an easy target in a team which has become an easy target.
He’s averaging just eight disposals which puts him in the bottom 10 per cent of key forwards. It is his worst return since 2012.
He’s kicked 22 goals from 14 games, but is above average in marks inside-50m, with an average of 2.2 a game. He can mark OK, but other than that, he can’t find the ball.
This is not a character assassination; this is a football decision. If the Tigers opt to go forward with Vickery, and with Ben Griffiths, they will have opted to go forward with mediocrity in positions — the key forward posts — which can’t be allowed to be mediocre.
The Tigers won’t play finals, so Hardwick can be more brutal with his assessments and, anyhow, it’s not as if he hasn’t given Vickery every opportunity.
They must be brave, the Tigers. They must shop hard in free agency and at the trade market.
They must convince players the football club is a place of destination. They missed Hannebery and Adam Treloar, but they can’t miss Dion Prestia if the he wants out of the Gold Coast.
There’s nothing stopping the Tigers unloading Vickery and Griffiths and starting again in those two positions.
The alternative is to keep them both and hope they increase their impact on games.
That hope is waning.
Why not take a punt and go after, say, Geelong’s Nathan Vardy? The Tigers need another ruckman so why not Jarrad Witts? Why don’t they make Michael Hurley a godfather offer he can’t refuse? Don’t take no for an answer. Offer $800,000. If that doesn’t work, make it $850,000.
If Geelong can nab Dangerfield, Lachie Henderson, Zac Smith, Scott Selwood and Rhys Stanley within 24 months, then the Tigers have no excuses.
There’s a stack of mid-range players at Richmond — Taylor Hunt, Andrew Moore, Jacob Townsend, Chris Yarran, Reece Conca, Liam McBean, Jake Batchelor, Todd Elton — who seem to be neither coming nor going.
Not for the first time this season, the acid test is on everyone at Richmond.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/richmond-has-to-cut-ty-vickery-writes-mark-robinson/news-story/29e48122745e2d6c385bd2dc205602ae
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FHO
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We could have had Sloane
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Id take an iphone 3 for him right now....
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Get rid of Vickery and Griffiths.
pretty simple.
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He asserts you can't have mediocre tall forwards which is rubbish. West coast won two flags without a decent half forward. Collingwood won their latest flag with their half back out. Sure it helps but very few sides have a Carey or Jon Brown.
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I'd try and turn TV into a ruck. Well I would have 5 years ago. Probably he is right TV isn't the answer play a kid.
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Maybe Robbo sees him as a good fit at the bombers with Deniherrr :shh
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We could have had Sloane
And Pav....
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:lol
As reported in the herald-sun this afternoon :lol
Can't post link due to paywall. Anyone?
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I'll bet he does, the only club he would get a game at with his insipid effort
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I'll bet he does, the only club he would get a game at with his insipid effort
Any person with one iota of intelligence would want to stay somewhere where mediocrity is rewarded, goes without saying.
The minute he goes anywhere the eyes will be upon him, if he does go I cant imagine any club signing him to a contract of any longer than 12 months and with the contract being largely performance based, think his easy days are well and truly over.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ty-vickery-wants-to-stay-at-richmond-according-to-his-manager/news-story/d9ae53bf3040d95e9c6449246e99b8e5
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if they sign up Vickery it's a sign they will do nothing over the off season. which is a concern of mine
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RFC have an issue with doing anything that anyone outside of the wankers circle suggest.
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Fairly standard lines from the manager
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Actually heard Lucas on SEN this morning
Didn't sound very convincing :lol
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Scotty Lucas biased views
No doubt pumping up his value
Garbage comments by Scotty , he should know better
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hhaaarrrrgggggghhhhhhh of course he wants to stay where else can you free load without giving anything back.
It is why so many of the players love dimwit.
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If the club sign him up they deserve everything they get (or dont get if talking success)
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Let's not forget Tyrone was one of the chosen few "young guns" who received a juicy front ended contract to allow us the so called war chest which landed Yarren and Townsend.
So he's been on the take for a while.
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Here's the full article ...
Vickery wants to remain a Tiger: manager
CHRIS VERNUCCIO, GILBERT GARDINER
Herald Sun
5 July 2016
TY Vickery wants to stay at Richmond with his manager insisting the key forward still has plenty to offer.
With finals out of reach after last Friday night’s 38-point loss to Port Adelaide, the calls for the Tigers to dramatically overhaul their list have grown louder.
Vickery, who is a restricted free agent, is one player Richmond has been urged to shop around during the trade period, but his manager Scott Lucas said he’s had talks with the club about a new contract for the 26-year-old.
“Without going into it too much we’ve had some good discussions with the Tigers and just working through it really, Lucas said.
“I think Ty would like to stay and Richmond are very keen for him to remain there but it’s like anything, the goal posts can change.
“Vickers has been a 30 to 40 goal-a-season player at Richmond and across the competition there is not a lot of those ... you’ve got to be very wary of what you give up and what may be in play as a result of that.
“You’ve got to be able to replace them with players that you think are going to be better in the sense or get there or change the dynamic of the club.”
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick conceded after the Power loss the club needed to start getting games into its young players to see what they’re capable of.
Former Hawthorn football director Jason Dunstall was scathing of Richmond’s list management and said every player had to be on the trade table.
“Go heavy at the trade table, go heavy at the draft,” Dunstall told Fox Footy’s On The Couch on Monday night.
“I would be trading to get early draft picks.
“If they don’t admit they’ve made mistakes and reassess where they’re at, they will set the club back a number of years.”
“They’ve grossly overestimated the quality of that playing list. I’m not trying to shout down these players, but they’ve had long enough and it isn’t working.”
Vickery has kicked 22 goals from 14 games this season after booting 31 from 15 last year.
Last year he was courted by the Brisbane Lions but decided to remain at Tigerland.
But his form has dropped the past couple of weeks with five goals from four matches, while averaging just eight disposals for the season.
However, Lucas said he can’t explain why Vickery often bore the brunt of the criticism whenever the Tigers have a poor game.
“I think he manages it (criticism) extremely well ... it’s almost inevitable that a day after a disappointing or within the week after a disappointing result for the Tigers there is an article about Vickers, and in saying that look he’s had a couple games he’d be disappointed with but there’s still games he’s been a multiple goalkicker in and he has contributed to the team,’ he said.
“I don’t know. Is it the expectation that there is a thought that he could do more? Sometimes the big blokes seem to cop criticism but he seems to be one out in that sense.
“If you want to look at it in that light that he had a disappointing game on the weekend well, gee, there was certainly some mates he had with him.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ty-vickery-wants-to-stay-at-richmond-according-to-his-manager/news-story/d9ae53bf3040d95e9c6449246e99b8e5
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Betamax strikes again with the best pick 8 since JON. :rollin
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Of course he wants to stay
Gets overpaid and has no responablity
Why wouldn't you want a job like that
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Sheesh you guys are easily wound up. Hun must come straight onto this forum to have a laugh.
It's an absolute nothing piece of an article until the club shows some kind of intent to resign him
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Actually thinking we may be able to offload him to the Lions.
Would suit Ty down to the ground to be able to lounge around on the beach and have his wife earn a living as a tennis coach when she retires from the circuit very soon.
Then we can get the Rockliff we should have got years ago as I think he's outa there with his fight with other team members not being resolved in his favour.
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Actually thinking we may be able to offload him to the Lions.
Would suit Ty down to the ground to be able to lounge around on the beach and have his wife earn a living as a tennis coach when she retires from the circuit very soon.
Then we can get the Rockliff we should have got years ago as I think he's outa there with his fight with other team members not being resolved in his favour.
tell you what, we'll even throw in Astbury as a sweetener
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Trade him to Brisbane for McStay & thier 2nd round pick. :thumbsup
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Richmond VFL
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Richmond VFL
I was going to say he could take McBean's place in the VFL for the next 5 years if he wants to....
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/do-we-need-a-new-coach.1111512/page-238#post-45462214
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I don't think he's trying to pump up his value - he truly believes that the silly dodo
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Don't know why he's truly saying it but geez I hope he is just bumping his value. Surely?
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http://www.sportingnews.com/afl/news/afl-insider-another-big-blue-or-another-big-blue/17zuft9kcbdg216acdimu8utee
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Might fit in well at Carlton actually with a proper coach ...
They have to move weatering fwd yesterday
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http://www.sportingnews.com/afl/news/afl-insider-another-big-blue-or-another-big-blue/17zuft9kcbdg216acdimu8utee
Would love nothing more than to inflict Vickery upon them.
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http://www.sportingnews.com/afl/news/afl-insider-another-big-blue-or-another-big-blue/17zuft9kcbdg216acdimu8utee
Would love nothing more than to inflict Vickery upon them.
:lol
:pray
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Blues not the only ones interested
Multiple suitors :clapping
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Blues not the only ones interested
Multiple suitors :clapping
Spill?
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Watch him dominate with a good game plan.....
I am scared to let him go to the scum especially because I can see him become a dominant forward....
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8 years in the system and there is still a massive gulf between his best and worst football.
I thought he had turned the corner late last year but the more this season has progressed - the more useless he has become.
Hopefully there is a club out there which will pay overs for him.
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He will fall apart at another club because he's a big baby.
stuff him
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He will fall apart at another club because he's a big baby.
stuff him
exactly - he wont get the same kid glove treatment he gets from our club
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He will fall apart at another club because he's a big baby.
stuff him
I think he'd come good at the blues with a decent coach
Schultz 2.0
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He will fall apart at another club because he's a big baby.
stuff him
I think he'd come good at the blues with a decent coach
Schultz 2.0
No chance, dud
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Watch him become a supposed "superstar" on this forum that we should never have let go ala Matt White :lol
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He will fall apart at another club because he's a big baby.
stuff him
I think he'd come good at the blues with a decent coach
Schultz 2.0
No chance, dud
Yeah doubt Vickery's struggled because he's being played at the wrong end of the ground....
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Now coach new team might get the best out of him but like shulz we're going not getting it. On his day he is an ok big bodied bash n crash forward never great doesn't chase enough because he's too slow but teams can structure around that sort of role. Bash n crash mark or two goal or two and a bit of ruck
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column on the AFL Website
If... Tyrone Vickery really wants to stay a Tiger ...
Then ....he's going to have to drop his asking price. A lot.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-22/sliding-doors-round-18-2016-afl
;D
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column on the AFL Website
If... Tyrone Vickery really wants to stay a Tiger ...
Then ....he's going to have to drop his asking price. A lot.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-22/sliding-doors-round-18-2016-afl
;D
or he could keep it as it is for better compo ;)
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Ty's 'firmly part of my plans going forward,' says Hardwick
AFL.com.au
22 July 2016
RESTRICTED free agent Tyrone Vickery remains an integral part of Richmond's future despite his recent demotion to the VFL, coach Damien Hardwick says.
Vickery played the Tigers' first 14 games this year and kicked 22 goals, but was dropped after the round 15 loss to Port Adelaide.
Discussions between Richmond and Vickery on a new contract have progressed slowly this season, and the forward/ruckman will attract keen rival interest if he remains out of contract ahead of October's free agency period.
But Hardwick told reporters on Thursday Vickery remained a key part of his on-field plans.
"Ty, for mine, is an integral part of our playing future. Six-foot-seven, six-foot-eight guys that can mark and kick goals don't grow on trees," Hardwick said.
"Ty's form at stages has been a little bit indifferent and he's the first to admit that. We probably ran out of a little bit of patience with him, but he's firmly part of my plans going forward.
"He's a great guy, Ty. He's very well loved around our football community. We've just got to make sure we get him playing his best football and hopefully that's not too far away."
Since being dropped Vickery has played just one game with Richmond's VFL team having a bye last weekend.
The 26-year-old, who was the No.8 pick in the 2008 NAB AFL Draft, went goalless in that match against Footscray but Hardwick said he had played "reasonably well".
Asked what he hoped to see from Vickery on Sunday in Richmond's match against the Box Hill Hawks, Hardwick said consistency.
"He always kicked two goals, we're probably just looking for a few of those contested marks to stick," Hardwick said.
"The last game he played he probably had three or four if they had stuck he becomes a dominant player within our system.
"We're just looking for that consistency and that will come at some stage. He's done it before and he'll get back to the form that we know he can (produce) and we're encouraging him to do so because he's an important player.
"There's no doubt when Ty's playing his best football Richmond is a better side because of it."
Vickery has played 116 games for the Tigers and kicked 154 goals.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-21/ty-vickery-firmly-part-of-my-plans-going-forward-says-damien-hardwick
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Eff me. Well, I hope to hell Hardwick is bluffing and this is just the usual PR spin.
My concern is, though, as we all know he's dumb enough to keep him.
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Ty's 'firmly part of my plans going forward,' says Hardwick
AFL.com.au
22 July 2016
"He's a great guy, Ty. He's very well loved around our football community. We've just got to make sure we get him playing his best football and hopefully that's not too far away."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-21/ty-vickery-firmly-part-of-my-plans-going-forward-says-damien-hardwick
Why are we so in love with these administrators who struggle to play footy?
At least they are all great guys which is most important characteristic in recruiting policy. :rollin
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Ty's 'firmly part of my plans going forward,' says Hardwick
AFL.com.au
22 July 2016
"He's a great guy, Ty. He's very well loved around our football community. We've just got to make sure we get him playing his best football and hopefully that's not too far away."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-21/ty-vickery-firmly-part-of-my-plans-going-forward-says-damien-hardwick
Why are we so in love with these administrators who struggle to play footy?
At least they are all great guys which is most important characteristic in recruiting policy. :rollin
Its why we drafted Chapli too. Wouldn't find a greater guy.
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Football doesn't even really matter that much
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Eff me. Well, I hope to hell Hardwick is bluffing and this is just the usual PR spin.
My concern is, though, as we all know he's dumb enough to keep him.
:yep
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Vickery can still be part of Hardwick's plan going forward and not be at the club.
Hardwick can try to trade the POS off for a pick.
:D
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Haven't really said much on this but I'd be happy for him to leave.
He hasn't been the same player since he injured his shoulder back in 2012 and as I remember dimwitted made him play half way through the season with an injured shoulder.
anyways only speculating but wouldn't be suprised if there's and amicable split much like Conca and they go seasonsend.
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Haven't really said much on this but I'd be happy for him to leave.
He hasn't been the same player since he injured his shoulder back in 2012 and as I remember dimwitted made him play half way through the season with an injured shoulder.
anyways only speculating but wouldn't be suprised if there's and amicable split much like Conca and they go seasons end.
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You can say that again
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Can just see Halfstep taking the to the stage at this year's B&F and serenading Vickery & Conca with a karaoke version of Jackson Browne's "Stay".....
....and at the conclusion someone in the audience yelling out "Running on Empty!"....
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Haven't really said much on this
Are you sure? I feel like you've been repeating yourself
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Vickery to the Hawks?
Michael Randall
Herald Sun
26 July 2016
MALIGNED Richmond big man Tyrone Vickery should move on and the premiership favourites would be a perfect new home.
That’s the view of Mick Warner, who believes the Tigers “need a circuit breaker” at the end of the season.
The SuperFooty Podcast’s premier team was back together, with Warner back from holidays joining Anthony Hudson and Sam Edmund to review all the weekend’s footy action.
Warner says Vickery needs to “go to a great club and slot into their system” — like Hawthorn.
“He’s one of those guys that can always kick two or three goals, even when they bag him for not playing well,” Warner said.
“Just the psyche of the guy ... why not (Hawthorn)?
“They took Sammy’s boy Jack Fitzpatrick.
“He’s a free agent, so Richmond get nothing for him.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/super-footy-podcast-could-ty-vickery-rejuvenate-his-career-at-hawthorn-will-the-western-bulldogs-make-a-play-for-banned-bomber-michael-hurley/news-story/424311f9bd3fe455069d1b5f3947e039
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The media are just randomly picking clubs.
David Schwarz yesterday said Vickery would be the perfect fit for Melbourne.
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lol i could just imagine him and watts skipping through the banner holding hands
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In all seriousness we might actually be in a great position to make a good trade, at the very least get a first round compensation for him.
There are no other genuine big forwards on the market at the moment with Jenkins signing a few weeks ago.
Hardwick has done what he needs to with regards to Richmonds "official" position. If we state that we want to move him on, chances are his trade value goes down. If he's a required player, teams have to offer more to prize him across. If Carlton and Hawthorn are genuinely interested then the price goes up and we get more compo.
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The Hawks are still looking for a Hale replacement and McBean or Vickery they would take in a heartbeat.
They would give up their first rounder for him or get what they get for Brad Hill in a 3 way trade
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lol i could just imagine him and watts skipping through the banner holding hands
Nah, not quite. But I can imagine those two stopping to put their hardhats on, donning the safety glasses, then gloves & high-vis vests before letting their team mates crash through the banner first ... you can't be too careful when it comes to those crepe paper OH&S nightmares! :o
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The Hawks are still looking for a Hale replacement and McBean or Vickery they would take in a heartbeat.
They would give up their first rounder for him or get what they get for Brad Hill in a 3 way trade
They actually dont have to give anything to get him.
He is a restricted free agent
Means if someone offers him a deal we have the right to match, if we don't he walks and we get a compo pick
And that's not going to be a 1st rounder
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Vickery to the Hawks?
Michael Randall
Herald Sun
26 July 2016
MALIGNED Richmond big man Tyrone Vickery should move on and the premiership favourites would be a perfect new home.
That’s the view of Mick Warner, who believes the Tigers “need a circuit breaker” at the end of the season.
The SuperFooty Podcast’s premier team was back together, with Warner back from holidays joining Anthony Hudson and Sam Edmund to review all the weekend’s footy action.
Warner says Vickery needs to “go to a great club and slot into their system” — like Hawthorn.
“He’s one of those guys that can always kick two or three goals, even when they bag him for not playing well,” Warner said.
“Just the psyche of the guy ... why not (Hawthorn)?
“They took Sammy’s boy Jack Fitzpatrick.
“He’s a free agent, so Richmond get nothing for him.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/super-footy-podcast-could-ty-vickery-rejuvenate-his-career-at-hawthorn-will-the-western-bulldogs-make-a-play-for-banned-bomber-michael-hurley/news-story/424311f9bd3fe455069d1b5f3947e039
He's right.
One of those guys who can kick two and get bagged. Lol
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Nice backhander comparing him to Jack Fitzpatrick - suffered from CFS, delisted by Melbourne, only claim to fame is the "tunnel ball" deliberate rushed behind, still hasn't played a game at Hawthorn.....
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The media are just randomly picking clubs.
David Schwarz yesterday said Vickery would be the perfect fit for Melbourne.
SEN posted this on FB & i got attacked by Dees supporters after pointing that he's inconsistent & would fit in perfectly at Melbourne.... was a good laugh, thier supporters think they are the up & coming team....
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Up and coming teams are usually inconsistent.
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The Hawks are still looking for a Hale replacement and McBean or Vickery they would take in a heartbeat.
They would give up their first rounder for him or get what they get for Brad Hill in a 3 way trade
They actually dont have to give anything to get him.
He is a restricted free agent
Means if someone offers him a deal we have the right to match, if we don't he walks and we get a compo pick
And that's not going to be a 1st rounder
Just because he's a free agent doesn't mean he can't be traded :shh
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Just because he's a free agent doesn't mean he can't be traded :shh
If he accepts a FA offer and we don't match, there is no trade option. :shh
Just a comp pick. Highly doubtful we'd match any offer so compo pick is our best option which would a be 2nd rounder at best passed on where he fitted in our payment list
Staggering there are supposedly so many suitors. :rollin
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KPF's are always at a premium...unless they're a Jarrad Grant/Jack Anthony level of crap and even they got picked up by a second club.........why Griffiths should also be on the table...
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With that logic let's put Rance, Jack and Dusty up for trade, they would be worth a lot more than Griff
We could get 5 picks in the top 20 again
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With that logic let's put Rance, Jack and Dusty up for trade, they would be worth a lot more than Griff
We could get 5 picks in the top 20 again
Add Lids and Cotch and we could take 7 in the top 20!
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With that logic let's put Rance, Jack and Dusty up for trade, they would be worth a lot more than Griff
We could get 5 picks in the top 20 again
This is why the potential deledio trade is strange
Essentially trading him, cause we have so few good players o any value
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With that logic let's put Rance, Jack and Dusty up for trade, they would be worth a lot more than Griff
We could get 5 picks in the top 20 again
No they are essential players and guns....Griffiths is not an essential player and ordinary at best but one we're a chance of getting overs for...
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If he's expendable it makes you wonder why other teams would pay so much for such a player,
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If he's expendable it makes you wonder why other teams would pay so much for such a player,
Because other clubs would more than likely turn him into what we can't.
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So the problem with Griff is the development coaches.
Interesting , a fellow was telling me about a speach by Sam Mitchell who spoke about Jarrod Roughhead, he said it was 92 games before he show his worth
But what would Sam Mitchell and Al Clarkison know.
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If he's expendable it makes you wonder why other teams would pay so much for such a player,
Because like I just said, talls usually get overs because they're hard to find, unlike mids & smalls who are a dime a dozen ....and who said they'd be paying a lot?
So the problem with Griff is the development coaches.
Interesting , a fellow was telling me about a speach by Sam Mitchell who spoke about Jarrod Roughhead, he said it was 92 games before he show his worth
But what would Sam Mitchell and Al Clarkison know.
How long did it take Roughead to play 92 games and how old was he? Had he only had one or two notable matches in his previous 91?
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So the problem with Griff is the development coaches.
Interesting , a fellow was telling me about a speach by Sam Mitchell who spoke about Jarrod Roughhead, he said it was 92 games before he show his worth
But what would Sam Mitchell and Al Clarkison know.
The difference is it only took Roughhead just over 4 years to reach 92 games. Griff is nearly at 7 years and only played 60 with barely a good one of that 60.
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Just because he's a free agent doesn't mean he can't be traded :shh
If he accepts a FA offer and we don't match, there is no trade option. :shh
But if we threaten to match it we can still trade him :shh
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Just because he's a free agent doesn't mean he can't be traded :shh
If he accepts a FA offer and we don't match, there is no trade option. :shh
But if we threaten to match it we can still trade him :shh
True but they most likely wont
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Yeah it's unlikely
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of course he wants to stay. why would you want to get off the gravy train for doing nothing.Besides i dont think anyone else would want him and no one else will pay him what we do.
Ah the R in RFC stands for Rabble.
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Still giving him until the end of the season to show something.
Bump
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Oh look Liam McBean had more than enough chances.... I like him in the side...
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Oh look, whilst Vickery didnt have the best game, his presence lets us structure up well. And thats important to us.
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Is Ty playing today? Just leave know please.
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Not a good day for talls to play
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Just the 2 kicks today :lol
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Just the 2 kicks today :lol
Efficiency?
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Oh look.........Liam just didn''t grab his opportunity and Ty brings things to the side that people don't see....
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Just the 2 kicks today :lol
Efficiency?
Does kicking the turf count as an effective disposal if one our players picks up the half volley?
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Just leave Ty
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Just leave Ty
:clapping and now!
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If he ever puts on the jumper again it would be a disgrace.
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Shooooosh, everyone.
We have to paint his positives, so we will get inflated worth out of him at trade time.
Owl said. :shh
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Sheesh a moody teenage sheila like you should know sarcasm when they see it ffs, did you read the whole post or just the first line LOL
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Good thing McBean got dropped
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What a stuffin rabble that idiot dimwit is
Dumps the bean for Vickery. Hahahw and some still say he can coach
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Still giving him until the end of the season to show something.
Bump
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Dont think we need anymore cameos
Actually we didn't even get a cameo today :rollin
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Inspired selection by Dimma ::)
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Why were the transgender facts removed? Is this forum Transphobic now?
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Sheesh a moody teenage sheila like you should know sarcasm when they see it ffs, did you read the whole post or just the first line LOL
Yeh, sure ::)
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Oh look.........Liam just didn''t grab his opportunity and Ty brings things to the side that people don't see....
Liam deserved to be dropped. BUT FMD why did they have to bring Vickery back.
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Oh look.........Liam just didn''t grab his opportunity and Ty brings things to the side that people don't see....
Liam deserved to be dropped. BUT FMD why did they have to bring Vickery back.
Because he is a S T U F F W I T
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Oh look.........Liam just didn''t grab his opportunity and Ty brings things to the side that people don't see....
Liam deserved to be dropped. BUT FMD why did they have to bring Vickery back.
Because he is a S T U F F W I T
Obviously Sideshow knows how to please Dumma in ways that all of us just won't ever know. Some people are aroused specifically by certain types of people and for all we know they have a special bond & just because none of us understand it doesn't give us the right to criticise their relationship. :rollin
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Oh look.........Liam just didn''t grab his opportunity and Ty brings things to the side that people don't see....
Liam deserved to be dropped. BUT FMD why did they have to bring Vickery back.
They do it on purpose to annoy us
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He's get a game at Carlton
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Could Tyrone Vickery keep North Melbourne in the premiership race?
JAY CLARK
Herald Sun
3 August 2016
NORTH Melbourne’s premiership window is in danger of slamming shut.
The Kangaroos face a series of tough decisions on nine 30-year-olds which threatens to leave them short in the key forward stakes next season, if Drew Petrie and Jarrad Waite both retire.
The veterans’ departures would leave a huge reliance on Ben Brown, with a strapped-up knee, and project big man Majak Daw to spearhead their transition into a new era.
At 192cm, Mason Wood is an emerging star, but he’s more of a third banana in attack.
But one man can save the Kangas, and it’s probably not who you are thinking.
It’s Richmond’s Tyrone Vickery.
It seems almost certain that the dreadlocked forward will seek a fresh start elsewhere next season after a poor season, gathering more than 10 possessions in only three of his 15 games this year.
Yes, he’s had no impact at Tigerland, but he’s not exactly on his own at Punt Rd.
In the player movement market, you have got to see upside and 200cm forwards who can ruck are in-demand. Especially ones like Vickery who is in the prime of their career, aged 26.
Even better for North, the Tigers’ whipping boy will cost the Roos nothing in trade terms.
He is a free agent and can walk to Arden St for free, except for a salary perhaps in the vicinity of $450,000, plus incentives. We know they have the salary cap space.
But, can he play, you ask? Let’s go to the tape.
At his best, Vickery has shown he can get hot inside 50m, booting 17 goals and two behinds as part of a five-game purple patch late last season.
At the time there was talk of Richmond trading him for a first-round draft pick to a club like Brisbane, but his contract is up this year.
Against Collingwood in Round 21 Vickery was best on ground with six goals, 10 marks and 21 possessions. That’s big.
The set shot sharpshooter had the second best kick-rating in front of goal behind only Western Bulldog Tory Dickson and the second-best hit-out-to-advantage of any ruckman with more than 50 hit-outs, last season.
Clearly, the No. draft 8 pick has ability.
But does he love football?
And can he keep out of the umpire’s bad books?
What has frustrated Richmond fans and rival recruiters who have watched him closely for years is that there is huge chasm between his best and worst.
And his worst has been on show this season.
But as the experts say, buy low.
North need him because if only one of Petrie and Waite go on next season, they would have to be nursed towards the finals Brad Ottens-style, anyway.
Maybe 12 games plus finals next season, max.
It is unclear if Daw is reliable key forward material and if Brown went down injured next season Brad Scott’s men could fall in a heap.
Todd Goldstein, 28, can’t continue to do all the rucking on his own, as his sore knees this season would strongly suggest. He needs more help, from someone like Vickery.
Cameron Joyce has proven to be one of the most shrewd list managers in the AFL in recent years, nabbing free agents Shaun Higgins, Waite, Nick Dal Santo, as well as bargain draft buys Brown and Sam Gibson.
Against the odds, they’ve opened up a genuine premiership window, with consecutive preliminary finals.
Yet Joyce gets zero fanfare. He courageously let go of hard-nut Levi Greenwood after finishing third in their best and fairest in 2014, but has it cost them?
Not by the way Trent Dumont shut down Jack Steven on Saturday night.
His next project might be the most polarising one, with Vickery.
But the rewards would be significant if the AFL’s most maligned man kept the Kangas in the flag race.
CONTRACT CONUNDRUM
North Melbourne’s over 30s
Brent Harvey, 38
Jarrad Waite, 33
Drew Petrie, 33
Nick Dal Santo, 32
Michael Firrito, 32
Daniel Wells, 31
Sam Gibson, 30
Scott Thompson, 30
Farren Ray, 30 (Rookie)
(North Melbourne has the most experienced (93.9 games per player) and second-oldest (25 years and 55 days) list in the AFL in 2016)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/north-melbourne/could-tyrone-vickery-keep-north-melbourne-in-the-premiership-race/news-story/7341046b322310449906b97de6850783
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Probably, if he stays at RIchmond
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Probably, if he stays at RIchmond
:lol
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In the unlikely event anyone at North is reading this - yes, yes he can......
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nort fans going off on FB at this article :lol
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Vickery & Nahas.....yep....they're going to win the 2017 premiership with our 2012 forward line....
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Bloke like Vickery would probably do well if somebody shoved a boot up his arse. Could fit into North well.
Great article, lets sell them our trash and hope for a 2nd round compensation pick LMAO
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Message from North to Jay Clark.
Stfu
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Probably, if he stays at RIchmond
Lmfao. Terrific :lol :clapping
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Can Vickery play? Lets go to the tape ...
Would that be Betamax or VHS? Man ... do we have tapes for Norf to watch! :whistle
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It took the cats 2 seasons to de-Richmondise Brad Ottens when Tigeritis nearly ruined him but they managed to rectify the damage.
Perhaps with a better forward structure and a decent coach, instead of entries into the pockets, we may see the best of Sideshow one out in front of goal with fast corridor footy. They'd have to teach him to lead at the footy first though as well as footy basics like tackling & shepherding etc.
I'd take a straight swap for Daw & play him ruck so we don't have to see Spud play.
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Can Vickery play? Lets go to the tape ...
Would that be Betamax or VHS? Man ... do we have tapes for Norf to watch! :whistle
Fantastic!
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:rollin
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Matthew Richardson believes a fresh start would be good for Richmond’s Ty Vickery
Jay Clark
Herald Sun
August 4, 2016
RICHMOND legend Matthew Richardson suspects Tigers’ free agent Ty Vickery will swap clubs next season.
Vickery, 26, is out of contract at season’s end and was linked to a move to North Melbourne in Wednesday’s Herald Sun.
After an underwhelming year, Richardson said the 200cm ruck-forward was probably on the move to a new club.
“I would think that a fresh start might be good for Ty,” Richardson said.
“He’s been maligned at times at Richmond and a free agent and I have got a feeling he may test that out.
“He had a good year last year and I think the way Richmond has played the year hasn’t helped him out at all.
“His form is nowhere near what is was last year and maybe the timing is right for him and Richmond to test it out for Ty.”
Under free agency rules, the No.8 draft pick can walk to the team of his choice after eight seasons at one club.
It’s unlikely the Tigers would try and stand in Vickery’s way as they look to make aggressive changes to the club’s list.
“It will be his choice,” Richardson said on 3AW.
“He’s a free agent, so he can have a look around and I think he probably is.”
Vickery has booted only 22 goals from 15 games this season after a more fruitful campaign last year snagging 31 majors from 15 games.
Kangaroos’ coach Brad Scott refused to discuss Vickery at the club’s press conference today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-richardson-believes-a-fresh-start-would-be-good-for-richmonds-ty-vickery/news-story/6ecb376ed23119171a1ab7d99e44ccd2
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The other name being touted in the media is Tyrone Vickery, who comes out of contract this season and is a restricted free agent.
“I’ll be perfectly honest Tyrone has been disappointing, he showed a lot more at under-18 level than he has shown at AFL level,” reasoned Pelchen.
“He’s lost his way at AFL level and I think his value has decreased, he’s certainly not a first-round selection anymore.
“He’s a second-round selection.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-pelchen-reveals-what-big-name-trade-targets-could-be-worth-in-afl-trade-period/news-story/102dc7365eeed93e3256ac56415174be
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The other name being touted in the media is Tyrone Vickery, who comes out of contract this season and is a restricted free agent.
“I’ll be perfectly honest Tyrone has been disappointing, he showed a lot more at under-18 level than he has shown at AFL level,” reasoned Pelchen.
“He’s lost his way at AFL level and I think his value has decreased, he’s certainly not a first-round selection anymore.
“He’s a second-round selection.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-pelchen-reveals-what-big-name-trade-targets-could-be-worth-in-afl-trade-period/news-story/102dc7365eeed93e3256ac56415174be
FFS has anyone told Pelchen it's not a night for goal kickers? Obviously doesn't have a clue how he structures us up :banghead
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Clubs will be lining up for Vickery: Schwarz
Herald-Sun
4 August 2016
MELBOURNE great David Schwarz says there will be a number of clubs lining up to secure the services of Richmond forward Tyrone Vickery.
Vickery, 26, is out of contract at season’s end and was linked to a move to North Melbourne in Wednesday’s Herald Sun, and Richmond legend Matthew Richardson suspects the Tigers’ free agent will swap clubs next season.
Schwarz suspects the Kangaroos won’t be the only club interested in recruiting the Tigers big man.
“I reckon there would be four clubs, five clubs who would look at him and would want him,” Schwarz said on SEN.
“He is 26, he is going to take a bit longer to develop, we know that, but he’s tall.
“He can take a mark, kick a goal, play in the ruck, so he’s got a bit of versatility.”
After an underwhelming year, Richardson said the 200cm ruck-forward was probably on the move to a new club.
“I would think that a fresh start might be good for Ty,” Richardson said.
“He’s been maligned at times at Richmond and a free agent and I have got a feeling he may test that out.
“He had a good year last year and I think the way Richmond has played the year hasn’t helped him out at all.
Ty Vickery is a restricted free agent.Source:Getty Images
“His form is nowhere near what is was last year and maybe the timing is right for him and Richmond to test it out for Ty.”
Schwarz agreed with the Tigers champion’s assessment, declaring Vickery should depart at season’s end.
“He just needs a fresh start, a new environment,” Schwarz said.
“Him and Richmond should part ways and he should go to a club that he can further his career at.”
Under free agency rules, the No.8 draft pick can walk to the team of his choice after eight seasons at one club.
It’s unlikely the Tigers would try and stand in Vickery’s way as they look to make aggressive changes to the club’s list.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/matthew-richardson-believes-a-fresh-start-would-be-good-for-richmonds-ty-vickery/news-story/6ecb376ed23119171a1ab7d99e44ccd2
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Why do people keep saying he can ruck?
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For the same reason he is called a footballer
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Oh I get it....impersonation....like how they say Max Gillies made a good Bob Hawke.....
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Richo doesnt get too much right and im not sure he sure is right on this one. it will be good for us :pray but will it be good for Vickery? :snidegrin
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Richo doesnt get too much right and im not sure he sure is right on this one. it will be good for us :pray but will it be good for Vickery? :snidegrin
A few teams are indeed interested in Vickery, one is very interested and it would surprise ;D
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Richo doesnt get too much right and im not sure he sure is right on this one. it will be good for us :pray but will it be good for Vickery? :snidegrin
A few teams are indeed interested in Vickery, one is very interested and it would surprise ;D
Swans..??
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Have sais this previously.
When he goes to a proffesional club like a hawthorn and they demand the best from each other. He will dominate. Think about all his goals. He is a lead up forward. So quick movement would suit him. I dont rate him at the moment. But he will be good at another team.
Or even good with us when half assed performances are not acceptable.
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Some Tiges fans behind me were saying how well TV was playing. They were young.
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Oh look.........Liam just didn''t grab his opportunity and Ty brings things to the side that people don't see....
Liam deserved to be dropped. BUT FMD why did they have to bring Vickery back.
They do it on purpose to annoy us
If so, extremely successful move. Probably the only successful move they've made for several years. :whistle
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Some Tiges fans behind me were saying how well TV was playing. They were young.
Young people and Dimma, just love when it's a day for goal kickers
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Richmond’s pursuit of Cloke is expected to intensify if and when they are informed that Ty Vickery wants out via free agency. ;) As a restricted free agent, Vickery can nominate his club of choice but the Tigers have the right to match the presented offer. It is believed Vickery and a rival club have already formed an understanding regarding the next few years.
Last month, Vickery’s manager Scott Lucas said he had started negotiations with Richmond for a new contract. “Without going into it too much, we’ve had some good discussions with the Tigers and are just working through it really,” Lucas said. “I think Ty would like to stay and Richmond are very keen for him to remain there but it’s like anything, the goalposts can change.”
Several weeks later, Hardwick said Vickery was a required player beyond this year despite his demotion to the VFL. He played in the Tigers’ first 14 games this year and kicked 22 goals but was dropped after the round-15 loss to Port Adelaide and did not return to the seniors until round 19.
“Ty, for mine, is an integral part of our playing future,” Hardwick said. “Six-foot-seven, six-foot-eight guys that can mark and kick goals don’t grow on trees.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-set-to-make-play-for-out-of-favour-magpie-travis-cloke/news-story/fd0b598cc13b7a29806a002a1d3d21a4
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Can mark and kick goals.
Lmao.
Same as Griffiths has about 1-2 good games per year and we keep wondering if that will be the norm next year.
If there's a FA offer on the table take it and run with the compo...
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Fortunate for some unfortunate for others, but I think we have seen the last of TY in yellow n black in the AFL.
2 more VFL Games to go.
Will make us look silly in years to come I think!
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Fortunate for some unfortunate for others, but I think we have seen the last of TY in yellow n black in the AFL.
2 more VFL Games to go.
Will make us look silly in years to come I think!
Will make us look sillier if he stayed.... :rollin
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Can't believe no one has said this is Dimma's move to drop into the VFL as they still have a chance to play finals.
The great white hope!!
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Don't need him. We getting CLOKE !!!!!!!!!!!!
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So the Hawks will put the fibre in his legs that will keep him from folding under the weight of an opposition players shadow? Or a stiff breeze from a passing bumble bee? Will they train the manual dexterity and courage into him to take mark with his extended mitts rather than on his grimacing bonce while doing his best impersonation of mangled salad tongs with his arms? What magic these idiots must weave at Hawthorn for TV is a drazo and the first thing he should do is shave that stuffing jew fro off because it overheats his head and makes most of us want to murder him for a start.
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rumours strong that carlton after him :cheers :cheers forward line levi, ty hahaha.
ty has done his time at the club but like most off us think he isn't the worst on the list when we have the likes of townsend, hunt, morris to name a few
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Vickery has played his last game for Richmond: Watson
Justin Talent
SEN
19 Aug 2016
Tim Watson believes that Richmond forward Tyrone Vickery has played his final game for the Tigers after being dropped to the VFL for his club’s upcoming game against St. Kilda on Saturday.
He says that a change of club may help Vickery, with a trade to Collingwood for Travis Cloke touted as a possibility.
“I think it’s going to be the right time for him. There comes a time in a player’s career where a move is the right thing for them. He needs to go somewhere new, a new set of eyes cast over him,” said Watson.
However he believes that Vickery needs to change some aspects of his game if he is to succeed at a new club.
“There are fundamentals…thing aren’t going to change for Ty Vickery unless he changes some things about the way that he plays,” he said.
“That’s with every player that has had limited success at a football club. His best has been really good but he needs to change a number of things about the way he plays to get the best out of himself.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/08-16/tim-o-meara-not-worth-two-first-round-picks-vickery-has-played-his-last-game-for-richmond
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Richmond believes Tyrone Vickery, a free agent, has found a club and is likely to leave at season’s end.
Source: Foxsports (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dion-prestia-will-sign-fiveyear-contract-at-richmond-if-gold-coast-and-tigers-agree-to-a-trade/news-story/0895aea6667e3742f357de409068d8b4)
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Hawthorn could be a good fit for Tyrone Vickery, says former Hawks recruiter Gary Buckenara
JAY CLARK
Herald Sun
August 20, 2016
RICHMOND free agent Tyrone Vickery has been urged to join powerhouse Hawthorn in a bid to revive his flagging career.
Ex-Hawthorn list chief Gary Buckenara said the Hawks were a perfect new home for Vickery after eight seasons at Punt Rd.
Vickery is expected to depart Richmond, after he was dropped for Saturday’s clash against St Kilda at the MCG.
The move would bolster Richmond’s draft position if, as expected, Vickery’s exit netted it pick No.25 (on current ladder positions) as second-round free agency compensation.
“In this draft, pick No.25 still gets you a good young player because the depth in it is similar to last year’s (draft), so they could make it win-win,” Buckenara said.
The former talent chief, who helped put together one of the AFL’s best sides over the past decade, said the expertise in the Hawthorn coaching staff, led by Alastair Clarkson, would benefit Vickery enormously.
Buckenara said the 200cm ruck-forward needed to play at a club which could take some of the pressure off him.
“When he (Vickery) played at his best, he has shown he has AFL-quality; it has just been so inconsistent,” he said.
“Maybe in the Hawthorn system under ‘Clarko’ and with their development program, which has been proven over such a long period of time, it would bring the best out of Ty.”
Buckenara said Vickery, 26, could fill the key forward role vacated by retired tall David Hale at the end of last season, and complement goal kickers Jack Gunston, 24, and James Sicily, 21.
Without Jarryd Roughead, sidelined as he recovers from melanoma, rivals have put extra attention on Gunston, while Sicily’s form has also wavered.
“Ty would give them (Hawthorn) the size and structure that they will look for, particularly now with Hale retired,” Buckenara said.
“Hale played such an important role for the club that allowed the Gunstons and the Sicily types to really flourish, so I think on that basis it would be a good move.”
Buckenara likened the early part of Vickery’s career to Melbourne No.1 draft pick Jack Watts, and said the intense spotlight on him at Richmond had been counter-productive.
“A lot of the younger players which get drafted into better-performed teams don’t have that pressure and expectation on them and there is a level of patience from everybody,” he said.
“Sometimes at clubs which have been at the bottom, the impatience gets exacerbated and people expect more than what young players are capable of and I think Ty is maybe a bit that way.”
Richmond champion Matthew Richardson believed “a fresh start might be good for him”.
Essendon premiership captain Tim Watson said he believed Vickery had played his last game at Richmond.
“He needs to go somewhere new, a new set of eyes cast over him,” Watson said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hawthorn-could-be-a-good-fit-for-vickery-says-former-hawks-recruiter-gary-buckenara/news-story/99ec8f37362621001f83cb2fc3f01df8
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Bye bye Ty. Thanks for your efforts. Don't get exhausted walking out the door!
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Hope the door is open otherwise may struggling getting through it
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If Ty succeeds elsewhere it would be a wake up call for RFC coaching and development teams.
Will watch with interest and wish him the best of luck.
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If Ty succeeds elsewhere it would be a wake up call for RFC coaching and development teams.
Will watch with interest and wish him the best of luck.
he wont
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He will destroy us l have no doubt ;D
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He will destroy us l have no doubt ;D
:lol :lol I think Rance is licking his lips at the prospect of playing on Ty. Will finally get the rest he deserves.
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Ty licking his lips at playing on elton / astbury :whistle
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Ty licking his lips at playing on elton / astbury :whistle
Did you watch the game. Elton played forward ::)
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Yeah not sure Rance would be playing on Ty if he goes as Ty is unlikely to be the premier forward in his new team.
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Ty licking his lips at playing on elton / astbury :whistle
Short could take big Ty :gobdrop
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Wouldn't have to tackle or kick under pressure 8)
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I'm so glad he's finally going but I would be surprised if he improves at all.
Maybe If Clarkson were to take sideshow I'd assume they'd use him to replace Ceglar so he'd be definetly playing most of his game in the ruck whilst pinch hitting forward.
If that's the case I would suspect they'd get him super fit before the start of the season.
A team with Clarkson at the helm demanding excellence and expecting high standards of players could maybe get the most out of the most frustrating player in the league.
Again, I doubt he'd make it.
Thank God he's leaving.
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Yeah not sure Rance would be playing on Ty if he goes as Ty is unlikely to be the premier forward in his new team.
Didn't think McCartin was St Kilda's either (although the lad started very well)
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Ty had his right hand packed with ice after the game which he didn't finish
Opposite hand that was injured 2 weeks ago as he was wearing a glove on that one
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Heard he broke a nail
#prayforvickery
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Hardly Funny or original.
:thumbsup
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Funny AND original.
:thumbsup
Thanks
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b8/f1/3c/b8f13cf0e5826d1220c93bd4e0ad7ec7.jpg)
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news said Vickery was at training today but won't be at Tigerland much longer. Still nothing concrete though as he then added "strong speculation he'll be at Hawthorn next year".
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LMAO
Clarko will have him kicking 70 a year. Hahaha
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More like 80
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Funny why a 3 time premiership side would want him, they must think they can turn him around and will get him for nothing.
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Funny why a 3 time premiership side would want him, they must think they can turn him around and will get him for nothing.
I think they have enough cap room because of Buddy's exit and unfortunately Roughhead's problems, to bid him up. With the loss of Ceglar and the lack of tall man talent available they can utilise his talents well. He won't be as much of a liability at Hawthorn as they have Cyril, Puopulo, Shiels and co to put unbelievable pressure on opposition backs. Sideshow Bob just has to be in the right place at the right time and he'll sneak more than a few out the back...
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Funny why a 3 time premiership side would want him, they must think they can turn him around and will get him for nothing.
As a restricted free agent they get him for nothing
And we get a compo pick around number 24-25
Win for us
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Do we know for sure its pick 24 to 25
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Do we know for sure its pick 24 to 25
All the draft experts in the media say right now it would be pick 25
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poor old roughhead is gonna live up to his name after they chop out all the cancer
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Funny why a 3 time premiership side would want him, they must think they can turn him around and will get him for nothing.
That, or despite all his obvious flaws he's a type (200cm forward who "can" ruck) that all teams want. On top of that, they obviously reckon they can carry him unlike us who needed him to be our permanent FF
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What if he don't leave ;D
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What if he don't leave ;D
Goneskis
He's leaving :snidegrin
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What if he don't leave ;D
some of these nancy boy chicken little will neck themselves?
we should be so lucky
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What if he don't leave ;D
Goneskis
He's leaving :snidegrin
Yep. Hawks.
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John leaving too :snidegrin
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John leaving too :snidegrin
I hope so. We can't even start a proper fight!
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starting fights is the easy part, finishing them is the important aspect
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Fair point.
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Start and run. That's the way
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What if he don't leave ;D
Goneskis
He's leaving :snidegrin
Yep. Hawks.
It's actually quite staggering how many suitors he's actually got ;)
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His neighbour said he was off to Brisvegas :shh
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i actually think he can play. Whilst he hasn't performed it under dimwit who actually has??
get rid of dimwit and some might learn to play the game consistently.
The club must see something in Ben mache griffiths that i dont.
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i actually think he can play. Whilst he hasn't performed it under dimwit who actually has??
get rid of dimwit and some might learn to play the game consistently.
The club must see something in Ben mache griffiths that i dont.
Club believes he has a tank and thus can play ruck/forward. Feels that Ty has no tank whatsoever and thus is a limited player - limited to just the forward line.
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i actually think he can play. Whilst he hasn't performed it under dimwit who actually has??
get rid of dimwit and some might learn to play the game consistently.
The club must see something in Ben mache griffiths that i dont.
Club believes he has a tank and thus can play ruck/forward. Feels that Ty has no tank whatsoever and thus is a limited player - limited to just the forward line.
Also that he can actually ruck.....
.....well sort of.....
.....ok, he's slightly less crap than Vickery is at it.....
...actually I don't really know why we're keeping him either.....
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i actually think he can play. Whilst he hasn't performed it under dimwit who actually has??
get rid of dimwit and some might learn to play the game consistently.
The club must see something in Ben mache griffiths that i dont.
He's been gifted too many games and never really had to earn his spot.
something many seem to want to see with some other players as well, as if their perceived natural talent will prevent the same thing from happing again.
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Ty may have played last game for Richmond at any level
Nathan Schmook
AFL.com.au
August 26, 2016 1:54 PM
FREE agent Ty Vickery may have played his last game for Richmond at any level, with the tall forward in doubt for Saturday's VFL game with a hand injury.
Vickery played in a glove to protect his injured left hand against Geelong back in round 21 and it is understood the problem was aggravated in the VFL last weekend.
While coach Damien Hardwick has repeatedly stated Vickery is an important part of the Tigers' future, the club is yet to come to terms with the 26-year-old while players around him are re-signed.
A restricted free agent in the upcoming NAB AFL Trade Period, it is possible the Tigers have seen the last of Vickery if he is withdrawn from the VFL squad on Saturday.
"He's got a bit of a sore hand at the moment, so we're not even sure if he's going to play tomorrow," Hardwick said as the Tigers flew out of Melbourne on Friday.
When pressed on Vickery's future, Hardwick again stated his commitment to keeping the 200cm goalkicker.
"Ty's a quality guy. He's an important part of our future. He's kicked close to 30 goals this year and has consistently over the course of his career," the coach said.
"As far as we're concerned he's part of us."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-26/ty-vickery-may-have-played-last-game-for-richmond-at-any-level
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"Ty"s a quality guy"
:lol Really? This poo again?
Time for a new PR line. We figured this 'great guy =great player' rubbish years ago.
The same guy who wont push himself off season to develop stamina beyond a pub smoker?
poo guy and poo player. The fact that dimma cpnsistantly peddles this crap makes me question whether he is actually acting on behalf of the other 17 clubs
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oh look....
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BT claiming the word is Vickery will get a 3-year deal at Hawthorn.
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We'll probably get end if second rd compo pick 37
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pick 37!! the sweet spot for our man Francois Hackson. :birthday :birthday
if we are truly serious we would get rid of Griffiths too. That bloke IMO is even worse than Vickery.
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pick 37!! the sweet spot for our man Francois Hackson. :birthday :birthday
if we are truly serious we would get rid of Griffiths too. That bloke IMO is even worse than Vickery.
Griff better than Ty IMO
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Softo Griffo. Forgot about him. Should get an extension soon.
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There was an article I read last year which talked about the primary factor of what pick is received being the amount of contract money offered by the go to club.
If it is comparatively in the top 5% of what players over 25 years of age earn, it's a first round pick. 5-15% is end of first round.
15-25% is second round
25-35% is end of second round.
Point is, if Hawthorn offer a low to moderate amount to Vickery and Richmond don't match it then we are looking at a pick later than people expect.
There is also a points system but as I understand these days it has lesser influence on the decision.
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lets face it, a pick of any sort is a bonus for this clown
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lets face it, a pick of any sort is a bonus for this clown
touche...
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lets face it, a pick of any sort is a bonus for this clown
True, although I'm hoping to God for a second round pick as it starts to open up options for us to pillage the expansion clubs.
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maybe we could some how source a trade hahahha... Ty has done is time at the club has given 10 decent games promised everything and delivered donuts... we cant get rid of bothhim and griffo
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lets face it, a pick of any sort is a bonus for this clown
I'd settle for some new gym equipment and a box of bananas. Even that would be of some use to the club.
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pick 37!! the sweet spot for our man Francois Hackson. :birthday :birthday
if we are truly serious we would get rid of Griffiths too. That bloke IMO is even worse than Vickery.
Griff better than Ty IMO
each to their own. They are both bad.
It just highlights how pathetic this club is when we are debating which first round pick is worse under the careful eye of the great francois hackson.
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So Hawthorn have no idea what they are doing and draft Vickery.
What is wrong with this picture?
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I hate to admit this but Vickery will be better at any other club.
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I hate to admit this but Vickery will be better at any other club.
Sadly true, it is an indictment on our list management, development, conditioning and coaching, game plan and player management.
Apart from all that we are fine :lol
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Mark Stevens tonight saying Richmond's Mad Monday was farewell drinks for Vickery. Likely off to Hawthorn but as a free agent his options are open.
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So Hawthorn have no idea what they are doing and draft Vickery.
What is wrong with this picture?
Will Cost them nothing whilst we used 8th pick. :rollin
Also Clarkson & the leaders at Whorethorn won't accept his Sideshow Bob cameos. A smart club will get him fitter so as to be able to spend more time in the ruck whilst resting forward using him as a fill in for the injured Ceglar.
If he doesn't pull his finger out of his arse he will find himself a Box Hill regular.
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Doesn't matter how poorly this bloke plays for another team, I'm sure we'll hear about how much better he is now from the very same people keen to see him go. It's the Richmond supporter way :clapping
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To be fair, if he plays more on ball he probably would be better and if he starts tackling, chasing, crashing packs, bringing the ball to ground or even just becomes half-serviceable in the ruck, those people would have point.... :shh
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Doesn't matter how poorly this bloke plays for another team, I'm sure we'll hear about how much better he is now from the very same people keen to see him go. It's the Richmond supporter way :clapping
Not from me. His demise is the fault of the club. The way the club has gifted these players games in past years has resulted in this. Same goes with the Edwards and bellis types
IMO you don't give up a goal kicking ruck leaving a broken griffiths and that spud Hampson up forward to go it alone.
A new coach would not be getting rid of him. He still did kick 26 this year.
Unfortunately dimwit is still coach and that means vickery is gone and bellis will probably join the other duds in grigg and co with contract extensions
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If Ty does go on to become a better player it will be bc the new club will demand him to work harder and wont tolerate the 'cruise' mode he's been in since he arrived at the club. Good luck to him and his new club if they are able to do this, fact is at richmond he was wallowing in mediocrity bc quite simply it was allowed.
Personally I dont think he will legitimately improve but wont bitch and moan if he does. We need to move on, hopefully Griff follows him out the door - we need to reload our tall fwd options
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If Ty does go on to become a better player it will be bc the new club will demand him to work harder and wont tolerate the 'cruise' mode he's been in since he arrived at the club. Good luck to him and his new club if they are able to do this, fact is at richmond he was wallowing in mediocrity bc quite simply it was allowed.
Personally I dont think he will legitimately improve but wont bitch and moan if he does. We need to move on, hopefully Griff follows him out the door - we need to reload our tall fwd options
Yep. My thoughts exactly.
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Could not give a stuff if he goes on to win a brownlow. Simple fact is we have had 8 years of mediocrity and it does not look like getting any better while he is with us.
Imo wont get much better too big of a pea heart he always has been.
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If Ty does go on to become a better player it will be bc the new club will demand him to work harder and wont tolerate the 'cruise' mode he's been in since he arrived at the club. Good luck to him and his new club if they are able to do this, fact is at richmond he was wallowing in mediocrity bc quite simply it was allowed.
Personally I dont think he will legitimately improve but wont bitch and moan if he does. We need to move on, hopefully Griff follows him out the door - we need to reload our tall fwd options
Good point, but the question is, why does our coach accept this mediocrity?
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Could not give a stuff if he goes on to win a brownlow. Simple fact is we have had 8 years of mediocrity and it does not look like getting any better while he is with us.
Imo wont get much better too big of a pea heart he always has been.
Cant wait until he goes to hawthorn plays in a grand final does a cameo with a couple of goals due to the har dwork of those up the ground and then we have it thrown in our faces what a star he has been at his new club ala Mitch Morton
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Doesn't matter how poorly this bloke plays for another team, I'm sure we'll hear about how much better he is now from the very same people keen to see him go. It's the Richmond supporter way :clapping
Not from me. His demise is the fault of the club. The way the club has gifted these players games in past years has resulted in this. Same goes with the Edwards and bellis types
IMO you don't give up a goal kicking ruck leaving a broken griffiths and that spud Hampson up forward to go it alone.
A new coach would not be getting rid of him. He still did kick 26 this year.
Unfortunately dimwit is still coach and that means vickery is gone and bellis will probably join the other duds in grigg and co with contract extensions
That's right.
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Could not give a stuff if he goes on to win a brownlow. Simple fact is we have had 8 years of mediocrity and it does not look like getting any better while he is with us.
Imo wont get much better too big of a pea heart he always has been.
Cant wait until he goes to hawthorn plays in a grand final does a cameo with a couple of goals due to the har dwork of those up the ground and then we have it thrown in our faces what a star he has been at his new club ala Mitch Morton
No doubt they'll be the over the back goals that drives all of us crazy.
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Officially offered a contract by the Hawks - HUN :clapping
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damn, hoping the blues come in too, hawks are able to get players for less wages generally bc players just want to be part of that well run club - smaller offer means less compensation for us. Comeon Blues up the ante
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unless of course the offer is so low we match it :pray
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where is the "id neck myself" emoticon?
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damn, hoping the blues come in too, hawks are able to get players for less wages generally bc players just want to be part of that well run club - smaller offer means less compensation for us. Comeon Blues up the ante
Don't panic, the article says Geelong are also sniffing around :shh
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ty-vickery-offered-an-attractive-longterm-deal-to-leave-richmond-for-hawthorn/news-story/44b6301711b5a158299613e9ddf37d80
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Ty Vickery offered an attractive long-term deal to leave Richmond for Hawthorn
SAM EDMUND
Herald Sun
September 1, 2016
TY VICKERY has been offered a long-term deal to join Hawthorn.
The Hawks are keen to secure the wantaway Richmond ruck-forward and have laid out an attractive package to tempt Vickery to Waverley.
The Hawthorn offer could be for as long as three years in what looms as a significant show of faith in the polarising Tiger big man.
Vickery, 26, has played his last game for Richmond after a turbulent season that saw him dropped twice and overlooked in the final fortnight for fringe key position pair Todd Elton and Callum Moore.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has maintained Vickery is a required player, declaring after the Round 22 loss to St Kilda that he was “firmly in my best 25”.
“He’s a really important player to our footy club ... make no mistake,” Hardwick said.
But the Herald Sun has been told Vickery has grown fed-up with being made a scapegoat for Richmond’s problems. The restricted free agent has spent this week saying goodbye to his Richmond teammates.
Vickery has met with Hawthorn officials multiple times where they’ve told him they can make him a better player and expressed their belief that he can make them a better side.
Hawthorn, who have become masters at recruiting established rival talent in recent years, haven’t been as efficient up forward in the wake of David Hale’s retirement. Jarryd Roughead’s absence and the late-season knee injury to Jonathon Ceglar has further highlighted the need for another versatile big man.
Geelong has also expressed an interest in Vickery, aware it may need tall reinforcements with Nathan Vardy set to explore greater opportunity and Mitch Clark struggling for fitness and form.
Adelaide made contact, but it’s understood Vickery doesn’t want to move interstate.
A Vickery move to Hawthorn would bolster Richmond’s trade position if, as expected, his departure netted the Tigers a second-round pick under free agency compensation. The restricted free agent window opens on October 7.
Ex-Hawthorn list chief Gary Buckenara this month told the Herald Sun that the Hawks were a perfect new home for Vickery after eight seasons at Punt Rd.
“When he (Vickery) played at his best, he has shown he has AFL-quality; it has just been so inconsistent,” Buckenara said.
“Maybe in the Hawthorn system under ‘Clarko’ and with their development program, which has been proven over such a long period of time, it would bring the best out of Ty.”
Buckenara said Vickery would complement goal kickers Jack Gunston and James Sicily, 21.
“Ty would give them (Hawthorn) the size and structure that they will look for, particularly now with Hale retired,” Buckenara said.
Richmond champion Matthew Richardson believed “a fresh start might be good for him”, while Essendon premiership captain Tim Watson said he believed Vickery “needs somewhere new”.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ty-vickery-offered-an-attractive-longterm-deal-to-leave-richmond-for-hawthorn/news-story/44b6301711b5a158299613e9ddf37d80
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But the Herald Sun has been told Vickery has grown fed-up with being made a scapegoat for Richmond’s problems.
LMAO
Spoiled turd has never had to earn his spot.
Kept in the side after multiple poor performances.
Rarely dropped and when he has been, a small number of half acceptable performances has seen him back in the side.
He personifies the problems of the club.
Dont let the door hit your lazy arse on the way out.
Good luck anyone taking on that sort of attitude
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:lol :lol Obviously let's media get to him because he sure isn't a scapegoat by the club
Unless that's why Dimma backed him in hard, to try and level it out for poor old Vickery
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Professional Victim. Unprofessional Athlete.
Precious, self indulgent and narcissistic.
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Professional Victim. Unprofessional Athlete.
Precious, self indulgent and narcissistic.
Just see him waiting in the goalsquare for the easy one over the top after Rioli, Breust & Puopulo tackle and harass the opposition. He will be fist pumping like a hero when he snags his 3rd in the last without breaking a sweat. :rollin
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Professional Victim. Unprofessional Athlete.
Precious, self indulgent and narcissistic.
Just see him waiting in the goalsquare for the easy one over the top after Rioli, Breust & Puopulo tackle and harass the opposition. He will be fist pumping like a hero when he snags his 3rd in the last without breaking a sweat. :rollin
Lazy opportunist.
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If he leaves lets not waste any compensation pick.
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I sense that Vickery could be the next Schulz. In the sense that he is rubbish for us but once he goes to another club and realises how good he had it knuckles down and becomes a serviceable player. I am not saying we should keep him, but I would not be surprised if he kicks 50 goals a season for a top 4 club because the coaches actually ride him hard and he doesn't have Dad to fall back on
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Hawthorn will be his new club & of course he will play better at their club. They have the players who go forward very quickly that honors the players leads. Any player that leave Richmond will be better off cause we are a backwards, sideways club & have been for 34 years with no guts apart from a few players. l hope Tyrone plays real good just to show how bad our club really is being the assistant coaches training club which even that is a failure :snidegrin
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Im glad he is leaving too as I think we need an almighty clean out but let's be honest there is worse on our list the TV.
I hope he does go well at Hawthorn as the RFC is probably as much to blame for his poor development as he is himself.
Players deserve better than the poo game plan Halfwit has run with for the last 4 years.
I bet TV is pumped to be getting away from us as most are of him leaving.
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Hate him but he's seen the light. Hawthorn will get so much more out of him than we ever did.
In his second year he looked like he could be anything.
Definitely a development and game plan failure I think.
Good luck to him and I hope we good a reasonable compo. Won't miss seeing him pretending to run...
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Hawthorn will be his new club & of course he will play better at their club. They have the players who go forward very quickly that honors the players leads.
:lol make it sound like Vickery leads
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Hawthorn will be his new club & of course he will play better at their club. They have the players who go forward very quickly that honors the players leads.
:lol make it sound like Vickery leads
He does. Out the back for a cheapie..... :lol
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Hawthorn will be his new club & of course he will play better at their club. They have the players who go forward very quickly that honors the players leads.
:lol make it sound like Vickery leads
If you go watch games you will see he often has his leads snubbed. How can any forward lead when they do the ball is moved sideways or taken right back to the fullback only for it to go sideways back to where it was on the other side. Do you want the forwards to switch every few minutes. l would be waiting right in the goal square till someone moved it forward. The stupidest club in the league. Don't tell me a coach / coaches considering their is a premiership coach in the camp as well as a Premiership player who is coaching lets a team play that type of football. They are probably being paid by another club on the side to keep us down. Bloody pathetic watching that crap. Surprising though Vickery does find space just ask the others that turn up weekly
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Are you for real? What are you on about?
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Hawthorn will be his new club & of course he will play better at their club. They have the players who go forward very quickly that honors the players leads.
:lol make it sound like Vickery leads
If you go watch games you will see he often has his leads snubbed. How can any forward lead when they do the ball is moved sideways or taken right back to the fullback only for it to go sideways back to where it was on the other side. Do you want the forwards to switch every few minutes. l would be waiting right in the goal square till someone moved it forward. The stupidest club in the league. Don't tell me a coach / coaches considering their is a premiership coach in the camp as well as a Premiership player who is coaching lets a team play that type of football. They are probably being paid by another club on the side to keep us down. Bloody pathetic watching that crap. Surprising though Vickery does find space just ask the others that turn up weekly
:lol :lol YBB summed it up in one line what you couldn't in 10. Likes the cheapies does Vick
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Are you for real? What are you on about?
:lol
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Will be good at hawks
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Interesting take from Hardwick on Tyrone.
He says his aerobic capacity is very poor. This is why they use Griff in the ruck. If they try Tyrone, he is buggered and can't run.
That is why he stays forward and Griff has to be the jack of all trades - forward, ruck/follower.
So he knows his limitations but because he kicks goals and provides a tall target, he gets a game.
Source: Hardwick :shh
Edit: McBean doesn't provide a good marking target at the moment. If he did he'd get a game. Hardwick says he plays too much like a small and lacks intensity.
Old news. Posted on OER on June 8th 2016…. :whistle
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Most likely a troll....but by Geez I hope it isn't...
(https://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2018/09/556668_1465635e690afce254f07157450de48f.png)
:pray
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Surely a joke! :lol
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Walking out of the G last Thursday seen a tiger supporter wearing a Hawthorn top with Vickery and 29 on it.
that was funny
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I think its time we pay homage to the great man Ty Vickery for departing and in doing so enabled us to select Bolton. He is going to be a star.
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I think its time we pay homage to the great man Ty Vickery for departing and in doing so enabled us to select Bolton. He is going to be a star.
:clapping :clapping
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I think its time we pay homage to the great man Ty Vickery for departing and in doing so enabled us to select Bolton. He is going to be a star.
Good call.
And also one last round of applause for proving Cox's jaw was made of glass. Lynch would get 2-3 weeks for an elbow like that now.