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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: georgies31 on September 09, 2014, 07:32:29 PM
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My two are Conca and Vickery.Conca is a average player at best and there's plenty running around like him in the state comps.He is not a pick 6 as he is not elite in anything in his game and to see him do a tagging job sometimes makes me mad.I reckon both WA clubs would bite and I would take there first rd pick rightaway.As for Vickery I can see alot of clubs looking at him I would put him on the table and see what we a offered and take it from there if the deal is right for us I would consider it.
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plus he's a fat little idiot
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I don't care who of this lot is under contract, that means nothing as we have seen in the past, contracts can be negotiated between clubs..
Edwards; we should seriously look at the trade, I know it won't happen but this is only the second time he has had value, the last time was in 2011 from memory...
Batch; does not have anything but aggression and being a hard nut to offer. He is slow, has average skills and is not the way forward.
Morris; same as above but with more value at the trade table
Grigg; may suit St Kilda or Melbourne who are desperate for any experienced player to help them out.
Conca; just doesn't want to be there, let him go home, his hearts not in it where he is and it shows on field, watch a few of the games he has played in. Could get us a high draft pick or at least a decent pick from the West.
That's about all I would consider that we may be able to fool other clubs with....maybe. I still think Vickery has value, I just hope it's at the RFC, one more year I think will tell us, it's taken Griff a while to show up.
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Batch and Grigg. I can't for the life of me see why they would want to hang onto Arnott if they won't play him so he can go too. We'll get more for Arnott than the other two combined.
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Everyone.
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Quicker just to list who I wouldn't offer up:
Cotchin, Martin, Vlastuin.
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Sack the whole club :shh
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2 things:-
Clubs won't want our crap players so stop posting that dribble
Conca, 4 years with no pre seasons. You will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder - 2nd rounder at best. So, we are better off seeing if he can get fit first.
Beyond that, Vickery or Griff are our best chance at getting overs in a trade.
Bulldogs would be prime trade buddies.
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2 things:-
Clubs won't want our crap players so stop posting that dribble
Conca, 4 years with no pre seasons. You will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder - 2nd rounder at best. So, we are better off seeing if he can get fit first.
Beyond that, Vickery or Griff are our best chance at getting overs in a trade.
Bulldogs would be prime trade buddies.
I think you may of just taken the dribble award. Griff, really .... :huh, they re-signed him 2 weeks ago WTF are you taking about? The clubs I named would look at the players I named, god only knows why but we did.
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Quicker just to list who I wouldn't offer up:
Cotchin, Martin, Vlastuin.
Was going to post something similar
IMV everyone should be on the table for the right deal
There's only 7 I wouldn't offer up the rest for the right deal are available
Martin, Rance, Maric, Reiwodlt, Vlastuin, Cotchin, Deledio
IMV the player with the best currency who could get us a 1st rounder is Vickery, he's the one.
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If Vickery is traded to the Dogs I can see Higgins coming our way as part if that deal. :-\
Has to be for a draft pick a first rounder at least otherwise this could be the McMahon deal part two and given Higgins run with injuries he'll just replace Knights on the list as the injury prone import. :help
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Quicker just to list who I wouldn't offer up:
Cotchin, Martin, Vlastuin.
Was going to post something similar
IMV everyone should be on the table for the right deal
There's only 7 I wouldn't offer up the rest for the right deal are available
Martin, Rance, Maric, Reiwodlt, Vlastuin, Cotchin, Deledio
IMV the player with the best currency who could get us a 1st rounder is Vickery, he's the one.
Agree 100%!
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Lets hope they take the offer for Lids.
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Quicker just to list who I wouldn't offer up:
Cotchin, Martin, Vlastuin.
Was going to post something similar
IMV everyone should be on the table for the right deal
There's only 7 I wouldn't offer up the rest for the right deal are available
Martin, Rance, Maric, Reiwodlt, Vlastuin, Cotchin, Deledio
IMV the player with the best currency who could get us a 1st rounder is Vickery, he's the one.
You do this every year and every year you come up with the same numbers and just about the same names I am sure.. :lol :thumbsup....the funny thing is you are right and it's bloody scary that that's all we have that we wouldn't trade...
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No point spruiking that as newsworthy. Was obvious to most and hardly newsworthy.
Have to look to trade with clubs like GWS and GC who have surplus kids and are homesick to,come back to Victoria. Furthermore blokes like Titch would fit in beautifully there across HFF at GWS.
Grigg would get game time at a St Kilda or a Melbourne. I'd take an empty West End can of beer.
Conca for Darling was touted a few years back, maybe Scott Lycett could be a solution to that and help with our ruck stocks to give Ivan a chop out.
Given the Mitch Clark saga at Melbourne maybe Melbourne could be a possible destination for Vickery
given Clark may want out. First round pick or a deal for Chipper Frawley or forget it they are just skata for the most part.
I'd even look at Houli as well. His errors in the first quarter were critical and his errors in the third in last year's elim show that with him we aren't going much further than what we are. Need another Lids type bloke off half back who is a sound decision maker with exquisite foot skills.
Agree with WP 7 untouchables.
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Agree with WP BUT, I wouldn't be chuckin Miles out with the bath water either, he has been a revelation.
McBean and Lennon as they havn't been given a decent crack and have good prospects. I mean lets not go hog wild here, what you gonna replace our duds with, you can't buy champion race horses by selling off some nags even with a 2fer1 deal lol
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Lets hope they take the offer for Lids.
What offer is that rog?
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Batch to GWS for Sam Frost straight swap.
Done deal. Make it happen RFC :clapping
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Agree with WP BUT, I wouldn't be chuckin Miles out with the bath water either, he has been a revelation.
McBean and Lennon as they havn't been given a decent crack and have good prospects. I mean lets not go hog wild here, what you gonna replace our duds with, you can't buy champion race horses by selling off some nags even with a 2fer1 deal lol
I tossed up between Miles & Vlastuin chose Vlastuin only because I see him as our next captain
Would only trade Miles for a super offer but if that super offer was to eventuate then you have to consider it
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Damn man, would have to be a super offer alright, he wins all our ball, even on sunday he was one of the only ones firing.
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WP - everyone is tradeable - even your magnificient 7 - just depends what the trade is.
If club X value player y more than the RFC then they are tradeable.
Eg. if swans offered us josh kennedy, tom mithcell and mcglynn for say just cotchin - of course you would do the trade.
But reality is not every club is an Adelaide (trading for Angus Graham 0 games and delisted).
To your magnificient 7 I would add Ellis and make it a magnificent 8 instead. I actually think he is a future leader of the club ahead of Vlaustin. IMHO.
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WP - everyone is tradeable - even your magnificient 7 - just depends what the trade is.
If club X value player y more than the RFC then they are tradeable.
Eg. if swans offered us josh kennedy, tom mithcell and mcglynn for say just cotchin - of course you would do the trade.
But reality is not every club is an Adelaide (trading for Angus Graham 0 games and delisted).
To your magnificient 7 I would add Ellis and make it a magnificent 8 instead. I actually think he is a future leader of the club ahead of Vlaustin. IMHO.
Agree with your example about Cotchin. Very good example. Club wouldn't do it though ;D
As for Ellis I'd actually throw him the same sort of scenario as Vickery, he's one that would easily get us a 1st rounder. I know under no circumstances would the club do it but its that sort daring we need to see from the club during trade week IMHO
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WP - everyone is tradeable - even your magnificient 7 - just depends what the trade is.
If club X value player y more than the RFC then they are tradeable.
Eg. if swans offered us josh kennedy, tom mithcell and mcglynn for say just cotchin - of course you would do the trade.
But reality is not every club is an Adelaide (trading for Angus Graham 0 games and delisted).
To your magnificient 7 I would add Ellis and make it a magnificent 8 instead. I actually think he is a future leader of the club ahead of Vlaustin. IMHO.
Agree with your example about Cotchin. Very good example. Club wouldn't do it though ;D
As for Ellis I'd actually throw him the same sort of scenario as Vickery, he's one that would easily get us a 1st rounder. I know under no circumstances would the club do it but its that sort daring we need to see from the club during trade week IMHO
Ellis no chance and nor should they
I would look at Vickery to the Buldogs along with Conca to one of the WA clubs
This could potentially give us 3 top 10 picks and lets be honest what would we really lose with Conca.
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Ellis no chance and nor should they
So are you saying Angus that if Melb came to Richmond and offered picks 1 & 3 for Ellis you wouldn't take it?
;D
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Ellis no chance and nor should they
So are you saying Angus that if Melb came to Richmond and offered picks 1 & 3 for Ellis you wouldn't take it?
;D
But like the Cotchin suggestion, that trade ain't happening.
I see no point trading our good players, little leverage in trading our young emerging or slowly emerging (read Conca) because you often get diddled in the trade and the player comes good.
Vickery sort of fits the trade criteria - 24 so not young but not old enough.
Not really delivering for us.
Key position so would appeal to a club like the Bulldogs who have a great draft pick but a gap that needs an urgent fill to take pressure off the coach entering his 4th year.
Unlikely to get better but given the history of a KPP might still tease a desperate club.
I'd take their first 2 picks in the draft for our first pick and Ty.
We get picks 5 & 23 for Ty and pick 11.
We'd have picks 5,23,29,47 and 65 to load up on some young talent.
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WP - everyone is tradeable - even your magnificient 7 - just depends what the trade is.
If club X value player y more than the RFC then they are tradeable.
Eg. if swans offered us josh kennedy, tom mithcell and mcglynn for say just cotchin - of course you would do the trade.
But reality is not every club is an Adelaide (trading for Angus Graham 0 games and delisted).
To your magnificient 7 I would add Ellis and make it a magnificent 8 instead. I actually think he is a future leader of the club ahead of Vlaustin. IMHO.
Agree with your example about Cotchin. Very good example. Club wouldn't do it though ;D
As for Ellis I'd actually throw him the same sort of scenario as Vickery, he's one that would easily get us a 1st rounder. I know under no circumstances would the club do it but its that sort daring we need to see from the club during trade week IMHO
Ellis no chance and nor should they
I would look at Vickery to the Buldogs along with Conca to one of the WA clubs
This could potentially give us 3 top 10 picks and lets be honest what would we really lose with Conca.
I reckon the Conca ship has sailed. If only he was from Adelaide... ;D
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Quicker just to list who I wouldn't offer up:
Cotchin, Martin, Vlastuin.
Was going to post something similar
IMV everyone should be on the table for the right deal
There's only 7 I wouldn't offer up the rest for the right deal are available
Martin, Rance, Maric, Reiwodlt, Vlastuin, Cotchin, Deledio
IMV the player with the best currency who could get us a 1st rounder is Vickery, he's the one.
Agree 100%!
Would of thought miles, McBean, Lennon would be in that group too
Agree with WP BUT, I wouldn't be chuckin Miles out with the bath water either, he has been a revelation.
McBean and Lennon as they havn't been given a decent crack and have good prospects. I mean lets not go hog wild here, what you gonna replace our duds with, you can't buy champion race horses by selling off some nags even with a 2fer1 deal lol
Spot on
Lennon new top ten draft pick (or there abouts), McBean winning goal kicking, miles top five afl clearances
Even the like Griffiths, Astbury, grimes, whypile not world beaters nor indispensable, you would want a pretty good deal. Given the upside
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Cotch , Rance , Lids , Maric , Dusty , Jack , Ellis , Miles , Vlaustin , Lennon , McBean , Griffiths , Edwards ( the last two coz they just signed ). Those guys are locks. The only way they'd be traded is if , as WP said , some fantasy offer was made for one of them. That aint happening and you also need to be careful that you're not ripping the heart out of the club by being seduced.
I'm old enough to recall the fall out of the infamous Whale Roberts and co for John Pitura deal so I'm weary of those sorts of mega trades.
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If Vickery is traded to the Dogs I can see Higgins coming our way as part if that deal. :-\
Has to be for a draft pick a first rounder at least otherwise this could be the McMahon deal part two and given Higgins run with injuries he'll just replace Knights on the list as the injury prone import. :help
There will be no trade involving Higgins because he is a FA. If we want him we can pick him up without trading. Just need to pay for his hospitalisation bills..... :help
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Also Vickery can't be traded even if he wanted to go.
Because he only re signed this year we are not allowed to trade him.
Something to do with the last collective bargaining agreement that no player who re signs either a new contract or contract extension can be offered for trade until 12 months of signing the new agreement has passed.
Looks like we're stuck with Vickery for another season.
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Also Vickery can't be traded even if he wanted to go.
Because he only re signed this year we are not allowed to trade him.
Something to do with the last collective bargaining agreement that no player who re signs either a new contract or contract extension can be offered for trade until 12 months of signing the new agreement has passed.
Looks like we're stuck with Vickery for another season.
Good point
Vickery and Newman for whipping boys next year
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Also Vickery can't be traded even if he wanted to go.
Because he only re signed this year we are not allowed to trade him.
Something to do with the last collective bargaining agreement that no player who re signs either a new contract or contract extension can be offered for trade until 12 months of signing the new agreement has passed.
Looks like we're stuck with Vickery for another season.
You'd think if it was mutually agreed to you should be able to trade but then I don't know the reason behind it, might be a really good one.
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What a stupid stuffing rule
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Ellis no chance and nor should they
So are you saying Angus that if Melb came to Richmond and offered picks 1 & 3 for Ellis you wouldn't take it?
;D
of course. I would do that for just about anyone outside of Dusty and Cotch, but your clutching if you think that would eventuate.
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Also Vickery can't be traded even if he wanted to go.
Because he only re signed this year we are not allowed to trade him.
Something to do with the last collective bargaining agreement that no player who re signs either a new contract or contract extension can be offered for trade until 12 months of signing the new agreement has passed.
Looks like we're stuck with Vickery for another season.
Pretty sure that rule was changed (again) a couple of seasons ago because of free agency
If both parties agree it can happen
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We should try and trade duds like Grigg for really late/token draft picks so at least we can use those picks on Miles (& Thomas if we insist, which sadly I think we will) instead of wasting earlier picks on rookie upgrades.
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Conca
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Conca still has currency..so yes trade him
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Houli and Grigg should be offered for Trade. Would say Hampson but there is no chance of trading him because every other club recognizes his lack of talent.
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Conca still has currency..so yes trade him
I don't know why but I'm optimistic with Conca. For me I see upside in him, because he does grunt work and at times really nails those bullet passes and not to mention that sidestep through 2 geelong players earlier this year was great.
For me he just needs to get his body right, complete a full preseason and 2015 could be his break out year.
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Im not as confident about conca now as I was earlier this season - really pettered out(no pun intended) as the season progressed. His ball drop has always been a big concern for mine - and his kicks have a strange high spinning rotation to the ball, not like a well executed drop punt.
I remember FJ stating one of the reasons they took him was his kicking skills. I just have to question that judgement bc that's always been and will always be his weakness. Just hope he gets a full pre-season and shows a bit next season bc its starting to look like we got it awfully wrong
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Conca should be starting in the middle
Along side miles, vlastuin, Maric
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How about Hampson to St Kilda, Gwilt to GWS, One set of drink bottles, good used condition to Richmond?
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Im not as confident about conca now as I was earlier this season - really pettered out(no pun intended) as the season progressed. His ball drop has always been a big concern for mine - and his kicks have a strange high spinning rotation to the ball, not like a well executed drop punt.
I remember FJ stating one of the reasons they took him was his kicking skills. I just have to question that judgement bc that's always been and will always be his weakness. Just hope he gets a full pre-season and shows a bit next season bc its starting to look like we got it awfully wrong
One thing that worries me is that he has gone backwards with his kicking!
Look at this 2010 highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0VLULZDZo
He actually looks like a better kick. How can a guys skills go backward at an AFL club? He should have been able to improve on what he had to start with....... :huh
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We should try and trade duds like Grigg for really late/token draft picks so at least we can use those picks on Miles (& Thomas if we insist, which sadly I think we will) instead of wasting earlier picks on rookie upgrades.
Not to mention the salary space.
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How about Hampson to St Kilda, Gwilt to GWS, One set of drink bottles, good used condition to Richmond?
Would take that
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How about Hampson to St Kilda, Gwilt to GWS, One set of drink bottles, good used condition to Richmond?
I'd even let the GWS players pee in the bottles first.
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If we were ever going to trade Lids then now is the time to do it.
However i don't think we will because we don't think we're that far off.
Whether that is correct or not will be discovered soon.
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If we were ever going to trade Lids then now is the time to do it.
However i don't think we will because we don't think we're that far off.
Whether that is correct or not will be discovered soon.
Whaaat ??
Thankfully you're not in charge down at Tigerland.
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too much dribble in here, half of you know nothing about building a side around players :lol
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:lol may wanna throw Martin in too, some real bell ends
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:lol may wanna throw Martin in too, some real bell ends
I think we shouldn't do a lot, my preferred options are to trade out Bojangles to Big Footy and send HRT back to hang out with his good friends on PRE. I don't expect anything back in return but if we could get Diggles and Laff that would be a good result for OER. Would also be happy to chuck in my old mate Blaisee for free to Big Footy or PRE or we can just delist him.
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Blaisee's already over at Big Footy starting threads about how we need to get Lumumba....
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Conca
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jack I agree with you,i just don't see him taking the next step.Seems to me anyway very slow,diabolical decision making and poor execution
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Conca
Can't see to happening
Let's be honest be daring at trade time isn't our forte
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WP if us here can see glaring holes in the list that need plugging with quality ,surely the staff at RFC who get paid well can see it too
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WP if us here can see glaring holes in the list that need plugging with quality ,surely the staff at RFC who get paid well can see it too
What glaring holes? No team makes finals 2 years in a row with major list issues.
Just a few minor deficiencies that moneyball can fix.
Get ready for the mother of all top ups!
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Conca Grigg
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If we were ever going to trade Lids then now is the time to do it.
However i don't think we will because we don't think we're that far off.
Whether that is correct or not will be discovered soon.
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How about Hampson to St Kilda, Gwilt to GWS, One set of drink bottles, good used condition to Richmond?
I'd even let the GWS players pee in the bottles first.
Jarate :thumbsup
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Quicker just to list who I wouldn't offer up:
Cotchin, Martin, Vlastuin.
Rance?
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What do we gain Dook ? He's arguably our best player so we get a good player in return. Is that it ? What do we gain there ? Or we get a high draft pick who may be a Scully or Trengove.
He also signed for 5 years when he'd never played a single final for us in 8 years. He could've left for more success and better coin but he stayed loyal. He's a tiger and a gun.
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WP if us here can see glaring holes in the list that need plugging with quality ,surely the staff at RFC who get paid well can see it too
We could all see that Miles needed promotion early in the season but those fools didn't.
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WP if us here can see glaring holes in the list that need plugging with quality ,surely the staff at RFC who get paid well can see it too
We could all see that Miles needed promotion early in the season but those fools didn't.
Reckon that sums it up in a nutshell
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What do we gain Dook ? He's arguably our best player so we get a good player in return. Is that it ? What do we gain there ? Or we get a high draft pick who may be a Scully or Trengove.
He also signed for 5 years when he'd never played a single final for us in 8 years. He could've left for more success and better coin but he stayed loyal. He's a tiger and a gun.
He'll be 28 at the start of the season next year. How many more seasons left in him? 2? 3? Who knows.
May as well trade for a high draft pick (who may be a Martin or a Cotchin)
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What do we gain Dook ? He's arguably our best player so we get a good player in return. Is that it ? What do we gain there ? Or we get a high draft pick who may be a Scully or Trengove.
He also signed for 5 years when he'd never played a single final for us in 8 years. He could've left for more success and better coin but he stayed loyal. He's a tiger and a gun.
He'll be 28 at the start of the season next year. How many more seasons left in him? 2? 3? Who knows.
May as well trade for a high draft pick (who may be a Martin or a Cotchin)
At least 3-4 years of good footy left in him.
He's a very important player for the club. Good example is the run and carry he added that was so evident in his return game from injury VS Geelong.
Not tradeable for me.
Would happily trade:
Grigg
Conca
Vickery
Foley
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Quicker just to list who I wouldn't offer up:
Cotchin, Martin, Vlastuin.
Rance?
Miles...
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This club amongst other things needs a quality shutdown player. We cannot continue to use Grigg in that role. He is not up to it.
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Conca
Can't see to happening
Let's be honest be daring at trade time isn't our forte
Honestly, what would we get for him?
He's been injury riddled and never gone into a season fully fit. We'd be lucky to get a 2nd round pick. I get the logic with lids, it would be a bit like the schwass and grant trade all those years ago, maybe orourke? As supporters we have a right to a view but don't get trapped into an ideology that always assumes a best case.
If you are happy with the eagles 2nd round pick for Conca and maybe orourke for lids ok - that would be the best we can expect for either of those players
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Damien and Peggy.
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Quicker just to list who I wouldn't offer up:
Cotchin, Martin, Vlastuin.
Rance?
Losing rance
Would be a greater handicap than losing Martin
IMO
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Let's be honest, Peggles knows how to write an apology.
Maybe it's instinct. Maybe it's coz Vermont Under 10s bankrupted the canteen bought out all the push pops
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Not sure Vlastuin has done nearly enough to be considered "untradeable".
Promising but hardly indispensable.
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Not sure Vlastuin has done nearly enough to be considered "untradeable".
Promising but hardly indispensable.
He,Morris and Miles are the only three in the team who consistently don't hesitate putting their bodies on he line.
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Has to be Vickery......no-one will want players the ilk of Grigg, Conca, Morris, Pettard...etc......we must offer up something of perceived value to get something.......we have elton and McBean in the magoos and let's be honest Vickery is no match winner either..........but maybe we could trade him for one.....would free up a fair bit of moolah as well
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I'd like to have a huge silver platter, garnished in roast vegetables
and in the middle of it, Chris Newman with an apple in his mouth.
That's how I'd approach the trade table.
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I'd like to have a huge silver platter, garnished in roast vegetables
and in the middle of it, Chris Newman with an apple in his mouth.
That's how I'd approach the trade table.
Can you actually pay clubs to take players
That's how I would approach Newman in this trade period
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I'd like to have a huge silver platter, garnished in roast vegetables
and in the middle of it, Chris Newman with an apple in his mouth.
That's how I'd approach the trade table.
Can you actually pay clubs to take players
That's how I would approach Newman in this trade period
I'd take a washing machine
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I'd like to have a huge silver platter, garnished in roast vegetables
and in the middle of it, Chris Newman with an apple in his mouth.
That's how I'd approach the trade table.
Can you actually pay clubs to take players
That's how I would approach Newman in this trade period
Hampson first please