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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on November 28, 2009, 09:42:04 AM
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The Scully family are Richmond mad.
With the 2008 U/18 Carnival gone the Scully family new that Tom would be good enough to be drafted.
With the yellow a dblack flowing through the Scully generations the murmours and jokes of Tom being drafted to Richmond hopefully helping teh starving club and fans (most importantly his family) of success.
Football is a ruthless game and I think Richmond should be throwing the kitchen sink at Scully's management for a future deal.
With things going right you'd think our premiership window would be slightly open in maybe 4 years with Deledio peaking at 25/26 years of age, Cotchin 23/24 etc. Add a 21/22 year old Scully and the fact that he has loved the yellow sash for 18 years and it's all positive.
It just seems like an easy trade and Tom didn't seem overly wrapped about Melbourne, noticed he didn't put the Dees jumper on when he was handed it yet Trengove slipped it on as if he was nude. Free Agency certainly would help :D
The poor kid has been asked I think 4 or 5 times about how he wanted to go to Richmond, more so when Goddard wanted to be drafted to Carlton. Carlton had nothing to offer the Saints for Goddard and I think we're to cocky to go hard for him.
I think planting seeds now would make it easier to do a deal down the track. Simple "You're always welcome at Richmond" phone calls etc.
Go Tiges
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it would be nice to shaft Melbourne and snaffle him to where he belongs. And to polish it off, Port or Adelaide to steal Trengrove off of em LOL :thumbsup
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It'd be nice to get him, but i'm pretty sure most drafted kids don't go to a team they barracked for.
Crawford was a mad tiger supporter and stayed a Hawk his whole career.
Judd was a Melbourne supporter, but was only interested in money at Carlton.
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Yeah your spot on but there are examples where it does happen.
Kids get to go back to there home state, Kane Johnson came to Richmond, Robbie Keane got to play for Liverpool.
It happens, I'm of the opinion if it's a chance lets give us the best chance of getting him
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It would be nice...l mean fantastic to se him at the club but unfortunately we would probably have to give up one of those players you mentioned like, Deledio or Cotchin, remember he went at number 1 so they would want the same in return.
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Put this in another thread but probably better off here.
THis is what I thought of Scullys Mums face when his name was called....She had that look of happiness that her son had been picked up but she also had that look that she wished he had gone to the Tiges.
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I think people are reading too much into him not putting on the jumper
He was the last to receive it and was the only one interviewed after his selection, he then went straight to the lineup to get the photo taken so the next pick could be taken.
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2 words. Free agency.
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Sorry to rain on your parade Popelord but I would suggest that the Scully family became "one eyed Demons" over night.
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The Scully family are Richmond mad.
With the 2008 U/18 Carnival gone the Scully family new that Tom would be good enough to be drafted.
With the yellow a dblack flowing through the Scully generations the murmours and jokes of Tom being drafted to Richmond hopefully helping teh starving club and fans (most importantly his family) of success.
Football is a ruthless game and I think Richmond should be throwing the kitchen sink at Scully's management for a future deal.
With things going right you'd think our premiership window would be slightly open in maybe 4 years with Deledio peaking at 25/26 years of age, Cotchin 23/24 etc. Add a 21/22 year old Scully and the fact that he has loved the yellow sash for 18 years and it's all positive.
It just seems like an easy trade and Tom didn't seem overly wrapped about Melbourne, noticed he didn't put the Dees jumper on when he was handed it yet Trengove slipped it on as if he was nude. Free Agency certainly would help :D
The poor kid has been asked I think 4 or 5 times about how he wanted to go to Richmond, more so when Goddard wanted to be drafted to Carlton. Carlton had nothing to offer the Saints for Goddard and I think we're to cocky to go hard for him.
I think planting seeds now would make it easier to do a deal down the track. Simple "You're always welcome at Richmond" phone calls etc.
Go Tiges
what happened was every top 10 draftee was presented with their jumper on stage but everyone just held it up for the cameras without putting it on and then walked off the stage. Since scully was the last one presented and had to do the interview on stage straight away. Straight after the interview, the rest of the top 10 came on with their jumpers on which they had put on backstage. Hence it seemed like scully was the only one who didn't put on the jumper.
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unfortunately there's little place for romance in footy these days..FORGET IT...Best way to look at it is for every one we lose from the flock we gain 5 or more that have NEVER had roots with the TIGERS...WELCOME I say :clapping
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The Scully family are Richmond mad.
With the 2008 U/18 Carnival gone the Scully family new that Tom would be good enough to be drafted.
With the yellow a dblack flowing through the Scully generations the murmours and jokes of Tom being drafted to Richmond hopefully helping teh starving club and fans (most importantly his family) of success.
Football is a ruthless game and I think Richmond should be throwing the kitchen sink at Scully's management for a future deal.
With things going right you'd think our premiership window would be slightly open in maybe 4 years with Deledio peaking at 25/26 years of age, Cotchin 23/24 etc. Add a 21/22 year old Scully and the fact that he has loved the yellow sash for 18 years and it's all positive.
It just seems like an easy trade and Tom didn't seem overly wrapped about Melbourne, noticed he didn't put the Dees jumper on when he was handed it yet Trengove slipped it on as if he was nude. Free Agency certainly would help :D
The poor kid has been asked I think 4 or 5 times about how he wanted to go to Richmond, more so when Goddard wanted to be drafted to Carlton. Carlton had nothing to offer the Saints for Goddard and I think we're to cocky to go hard for him.
I think planting seeds now would make it easier to do a deal down the track. Simple "You're always welcome at Richmond" phone calls etc.
Go Tiges
Dustin Martin was asked in his interview who he barracked for. Stkilda was the answer with a wry grin. How would you feel if St Kilda officials started planting the seeds with him with 'you're always welcome at St Kilda' phone calls etc.
It would be a very dangerous precedent to set and would only make life tougher for the kids involved. I'm sure he would have accepted the fact quite a while ago that he would become a demon and should be left alone to concentrate on establishing himself as an AFL footballer, as should all draftees.
If there was any seeds of discontent, the last thing he needs is the distraction of Richmond officials participating in some mercenary white ant campaign.
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The Scully family are Richmond mad.
With the 2008 U/18 Carnival gone the Scully family new that Tom would be good enough to be drafted.
With the yellow a dblack flowing through the Scully generations the murmours and jokes of Tom being drafted to Richmond hopefully helping teh starving club and fans (most importantly his family) of success.
Football is a ruthless game and I think Richmond should be throwing the kitchen sink at Scully's management for a future deal.
With things going right you'd think our premiership window would be slightly open in maybe 4 years with Deledio peaking at 25/26 years of age, Cotchin 23/24 etc. Add a 21/22 year old Scully and the fact that he has loved the yellow sash for 18 years and it's all positive.
It just seems like an easy trade and Tom didn't seem overly wrapped about Melbourne, noticed he didn't put the Dees jumper on when he was handed it yet Trengove slipped it on as if he was nude. Free Agency certainly would help :D
The poor kid has been asked I think 4 or 5 times about how he wanted to go to Richmond, more so when Goddard wanted to be drafted to Carlton. Carlton had nothing to offer the Saints for Goddard and I think we're to cocky to go hard for him.
I think planting seeds now would make it easier to do a deal down the track. Simple "You're always welcome at Richmond" phone calls etc.
Go Tiges
I know his older brother Trent who plays in the Ammos.
There not as one eyed richmond as you think I am afraid
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i get the impression that few aspiring league footballers have the same passion about select clubs as armchair experts like us...as I said the romance has gone from AFL when zoning went out the door and drafting came in
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Scully has been devastated by the on field performances of the Tiges lately, just like the rest of us.
He is in the unique position of being able to do something about it, albeit in 2 years time.
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I know his older brother Trent who plays in the Ammos.
There not as one eyed richmond as you think I am afraid
:sleep Is there anybody you don't know.
Unlike me, I proudly know nobody.
:thumbsup
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gee i have read some crap over the years on this site but this is up there.
Scully not putting his jumper on...dear o dear o dear,
why stop there. I heard Kruzer followed the Tigers there so yep we must still be a chance to grab him.
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I know his older brother Trent who plays in the Ammos.
There not as one eyed richmond as you think I am afraid
:sleep Is there anybody you don't know.
Unlike me, I proudly know nobody.
:thumbsup
Hey, I dont know you , you worth knowing ????? :lol
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I know his older brother Trent who plays in the Ammos.
There not as one eyed richmond as you think I am afraid
:sleep Is there anybody you don't know.
Unlike me, I proudly know nobody.
:thumbsup
Hey, I dont know you , you worth knowing ????? :lol
How's your Italian?
:shh
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I know his older brother Trent who plays in the Ammos.
There not as one eyed richmond as you think I am afraid
:sleep Is there anybody you don't know.
Unlike me, I proudly know nobody.
:thumbsup
Hey, I dont know you , you worth knowing ????? :lol
How's your Italian?
:shh
Not flash, yours ????
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I know his older brother Trent who plays in the Ammos.
There not as one eyed richmond as you think I am afraid
:sleep Is there anybody you don't know.
Unlike me, I proudly know nobody.
:thumbsup
Hey, I dont know you , you worth knowing ????? :lol
How's your Italian?
:shh
Not flash, yours ????
Getting better, I've been practicing for the trip OS next April (a week in Paris and 5 weeks in Italy)
Hence the change of name.
:cheers
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gee i have read some crap over the years on this site but this is up there.
Scully not putting his jumper on...dear o dear o dear,
why stop there. I heard Kruzer followed the Tigers there so yep we must still be a chance to grab him.
he was a collingwood supporter actually, you must have been thinking the rocca brothers
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Yeah your spot on but there are examples where it does happen.
Kids get to go back to there home state, Kane Johnson came to Richmond
It happens, I'm of the opinion if it's a chance lets give us the best chance of getting him
Yeah if their poo and they barracked for Richmond they come.
Furthermore why would a kid risk his future career in football in the hope that a deal is done with the club that he supported as a kid. Sounds far fetched. Only time that may hold sway if there a a number of clubs looking to recruit him in the future if they have had a falling out and even then money and endorsements hold a powerful wand. Money talks in this world. They're only elite footballers for the best part of 12 years and they want to make the most of it financially.
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The only chance we have of snaring Scully is if we are rock bottom in 3-4 years time, and whilst possible, I don't really want to entertain the thought. I don't think many ambitious football players would want to go to cellardwellars either.
So the only really chance would be if we were schit, Melbourne were schit and Scully was coming off contract.
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this is a topic is irrelevant at this point in time.
plus its to early to tell if he would even be a player we need in a couple of years if this possiblity even came up.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/young-demon-tom-scully-facing-devil-of-a-dilemma/story-e6frf9jf-1226014386966
By Mike Sheahan
TOM Scully's dilemma, which will get worse before it gets better, is one not of his creation.
Basically, he is a young man driven by the desire to be a great footballer, regardless of the colours he wears.
The truth is he grew up following Richmond - passionately - not Melbourne, the club that grabbed him at No. 1 in the 2009 draft.
The same Melbourne that manipulated results in 2009 to ensure a priority pick, meaning it was guaranteed Scully and Jack Trengove.
Scully now finds himself under enormous pressure as speculation mounts he has committed to Greater Western Sydney from 2012. Or will do so immediately he completes his contract with Melbourne after this season.
If he fronts the media later this week, as expected, it will be a daunting assignment for a young man of 19 with just 21 games to his name.
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Not that he is likely to be specific. He will be advised to say nothing more than "I'm contracted to Melbourne in 2011 and I will do the best I can for the football club this year".
Really, there can be no criticism of either party.
Melbourne took advantage of a flawed, if well-intentioned, rule; Scully, if he ends up at GWS, will have done what is commercially expedient.
In pragmatic terms, how could he reject an offer for up to three times as much as Melbourne might offer?
The romantic notion says kids of Scully's age should play for the love of the game and let the dirty business of money take care of itself.
Reality says anyone with a special talent should secure his future on the best possible terms, which means availing himself of as much money as he can get for as long as he can get it. Just for the purposes of the argument, what about $5-6 million for five years?
Those who know say there is more than a little of Nathan Buckley in Scully, and we all know the young Buckley was prepared to endure plenty of pain to get to Collingwood, where he saw opportunity, money and success.
The simple fact is there is a growing divide between players and supporters.
Players play, happy to ply their trade at whichever club offers them an opportunity. Then, if another club comes along with an offer they can't resist, they grab it and run: refer Gary Ablett, Campbell Brown and Jarrod Harbrow.
Maybe Scott Pendlebury or Dale Thomas will follow suit and join GWS, for they will be offered more than double what Collingwood would consider prudent in terms of salary cap constraints and pay relativities with other players.
Supporters, though, inevitably feel cheated. As if the system is failing them. Just like those who went before them - parents and grandparents - they adopt and embrace anyone and everyone who wears their colours.
For better or for worse. It's a marriage. It's forever. Particularly when it's a good player. Which Scully is.
What is even more galling for Melbourne supporters is the thought Scully might be the superstar they have craved for a generation.
Who is the last Melbourne great? The name that always comes up when people discuss legends and heroes.
With due respect to Garry Lyon, Jim Stynes and David Neitz, it probably goes all the way back to Robert Flower, who retired in 1987.
That's why Melbourne supporters are hurting. Scully might be another Flower ... and he might blossom at another club because that's where he can set himself up for life.
I get the feeling that Mike is implying that Scully wants to come to Richmond and he will get to Richmond via GWS if he cant do it any other way. If Scully goes to GWS and his contract is for 2 or 3 years rather than 5 than its on the cards IMHO. It seems to me he doesnt want to be at Melbourne anyway.
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Mike wouldn't know if his balls were on fire
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It would be nice.
The dollars might be good at GWS, but if he really wanted to come to us he could, we'd just have to organise some kind of a trade...
Scully for Foley and our first round pick and maybe the compensation pick to seal the deal...
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the truth is here never wanted to be at
Melb.
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Send him to west Skidney.
When we are on the cusp of a premeirship, send him home
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Ramps' ultimate plan: GWS claims Scully as one of their uncontracted players (Melb only get a end of first rounder in return) and then GWS ontrades him to Richmond for our first pick plus the end of first round priority pick we've still got up our sleeve. Richmond gains Scully, GWS gains another freebie first rounder out of the deal and Melb get screwed! lol
We can dream :pray.
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Ramps' ultimate plan: GWS claims Scully as one of their uncontracted players (Melb only get a end of first rounder in return) and then GWS ontrades him to Richmond for our first pick plus the end of first round priority pick we've still got up our sleeve. Richmond gains Scully, GWS gains another freebie first rounder out of the deal and Melb get screwed! lol
We can dream :pray.
Ive been on this site too long. Thats exactly what I was thinking. I need some new angles on this site. Anyone wanna buy a filly and call her Blah Blah Blah ;D You know the real beauty of that type of scenario is that Melbourne get screwed. Melbourne will be one of the major problems we will face in afew years in trying to win a flag. We have to strengthen our position and at the same time weaken theres.
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when you start making decisions based on screwing someone else rather than what is best for yourself then you are on a road to nowhere, not just in sport but all aspects of life.
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what if what is best for yourself is screwing someone else? eh? eh? eh? ;D
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Scully has denied signing with GWS.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/108763/default.aspx
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imagine the uproar if he had
signed with GWS.
fun times ahead
at least we have ours all tied up :rollin
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According to some Sheahan said that Scully is Gone
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According to some Sheahan said that Scully is Gone
Is he really injured??
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out for 4 weeks due to knee injury.
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Maybe MFC are employing knee cappers nowadays that their debt is redundant.
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Just saw this on BF, don't know if the guy knows any inside info, or if he's even reliable, but it got me excited!! ;D
Make it happen Blair!!
More likely to go to Richmond than GWS.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20733320&postcount=5
:pray :pray :pray
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Just saw this on BF, don't know if the guy knows any inside info, or if he's even reliable, but it got me excited!! ;D
Make it happen Blair!!
More likely to go to Richmond than GWS.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20733320&postcount=5
:pray :pray :pray
We wouldn't have anything they would want for a trade for him.
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Just saw this on BF, don't know if the guy knows any inside info, or if he's even reliable, but it got me excited!! ;D
Make it happen Blair!!
More likely to go to Richmond than GWS.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20733320&postcount=5
:pray :pray :pray
We wouldn't have anything they would want for a trade for him.
I'm sure they'd take a first rounder and a player, maybe Foley.
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Just saw this on BF, don't know if the guy knows any inside info, or if he's even reliable, but it got me excited!! ;D
Make it happen Blair!!
More likely to go to Richmond than GWS.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20733320&postcount=5
:pray :pray :pray
We wouldn't have anything they would want for a trade for him.
I'm sure they'd take a first rounder and a player, maybe Foley.
That compo pick for tambling we got off adelaide. Anyways I dont think he will leave Melb.
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If he wanted to go there isn't much they could do.
First rounder and Foley would be the go. If not Foley, maybe the 2nd round compo.
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gee it would be nice wouldnt it
Martin
Cotch
Scully
Lids
Now thats a midfield that will help win us a flag
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If his knee is ok and it checks out as being fine then we should go after him. Our 1st rounder and Adelaide Compo Pick would probably do as Scully can just say trade me to Richmond or Ill go to GWS and you'll get jackshizen. I'm a big supporter of this move but only if Scullys knees pass the medicos.
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I hope our paid employees are onto this Ramps and are talking to Scully's management.
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I don't know who the club doctor is but the bloke who assessed Cuz and Richo is a no no.
Would want him assessed fully to ensure he has no chronic knees and me thinks Melbourne are not giving the full story on his prognosis despite them being mega careful or using any tactic to scare off would be suitors.
I know the kid comes from a Richmond family and I assume he would love to come and play for us.
I agree with Flagman our first draft pick and a player of the ilk of Foley or our compensation pick would be a tantalising carrot.
If he doesn't want to stay but Melbourne can't agree on a trade and he falls through to GWS, say he does not want to play there are we able to trade with GWS or him going to GWS occur after the trade period is over.
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didnt he suffer a broken patella as a junior?
heard on the telly on the weekend he has something similar again.
I reakon we have dodged a bullet with him as he may turn out to be cruelled by injury.
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I think there are bone shards in his knee joint left over from that broken patella causing him some issues.
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If Melbourne play like that first quarter, Scully will be begging to leave :lol.
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If Melbourne play like that first quarter, Scully will be begging to leave :lol.
Pathetic wasn't it
I enjoyed it ;D
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They really missed his run that would break the zones up tonight.
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If Melbourne play like that first quarter, Scully will be begging to leave :lol.
Pathetic wasn't it
I enjoyed it ;D
The Dees' senior players went missing and showed zero leadership. Brad Green back to pre-2010 form :yep.
Come home to Tigerland Scully! ;D
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Has there been any update on the status of his injury?
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Has there been any update on the status of his injury?
Only what was reported a few weeks ago another 6 or so weeks out
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Greg Williams today basically said Scully should chase the best money like he did as a professional footballer. Brown paper bags pay well obviously :whistle.
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Denham on SEN.
Scully putting off contract talks till end of year. Not interested in going to GWS. Doesn't want to be at a basketcase club.
KB said maybe he wants to come to Tigerland, Denham said 'well, they're not a basketcase'.
Need to get Dusty and Cotch to send him a signed jumper, and get in his ear a bit. ;D
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If the knees are ok we should make him the number 1 target, if hes knee isnt good we should let him go elsewhere. Its all about whether his knees can stand up to the rigours of footy.
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Less games this year + an injury cloud will have an effect on his value
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morton + tambling pick + our first rounder
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I'd rather delist or trade Morton and use both picks in the draft as they will get us two good players which is better than 1 good player
We have enough midfield guns, we need depth
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I'd rather delist or trade Morton and use both picks in the draft as they will get us two good players which is better than 1 good player
We have enough midfield guns, we need depth
ooh please. Scully adds to our depth.
No guarantees those picks will deliver anything descent especially with WGS concessions.
Geelong had the midfield that what won them flags. No one knows who to tag at the Lexus Centre. Swan, Thomas, Pendelbury, Sidebottom the list goes on.
We add Scully to our list and Jack would be creaming his pants at the delivery coming in.
We are 1 A grader short in the back half IMO and when we are pushing near the top if one of Vickery or Gus dont come on we should trade for a top ruckman. This would complete our list.
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gee i have read some crap over the years on this site but this is up there.
Scully not putting his jumper on...dear o dear o dear,
why stop there. I heard Kruzer followed the Tigers there so yep we must still be a chance to grab him.
he followed collingwood actually
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I'd rather delist or trade Morton and use both picks in the draft as they will get us two good players which is better than 1 good player
We have enough midfield guns, we need depth
ooh please. Scully adds to our depth.
No guarantees those picks will deliver anything descent especially with WGS concessions.
Geelong had the midfield that what won them flags. No one knows who to tag at the Lexus Centre. Swan, Thomas, Pendelbury, Sidebottom the list goes on.
We add Scully to our list and Jack would be creaming his pants at the delivery coming in.
We are 1 A grader short in the back half IMO and when we are pushing near the top if one of Vickery or Gus dont come on we should trade for a top ruckman. This would complete our list.
We already have 3 Top 3 draft picks and 1 Pick 6 making up our midfield, how many other midfield's have comprised of that? The only one I can think of is Carlton and they are still too thin down back and up forward, it is not their midfield holding them back. Our pick this year will be something like 8-16 and our compensation pick if we use it in 2012 will be about pick 17-20 there are plenty of gun players picked up with these selections with the talent networks the way they are in modern recruitment.
Jack Darling went Pick 26, Nathan Fyfe Pick 20, Luke Tapscott Pick 20, Steele Sidebottom Pick 11, Luke Shuey Pick 18, Jackson Trengove Pick 22 ,David Zaharakis Pick 23, Jack Redden Pick 25, Dayne Beams Pick 29, Jack Grimes Pick 14, Callan Ward Pick 19, Jack Riewoldt Pick 13, Shaun Hampson Pick 17, Chris Dawes Pick 28.
Would you be willing to give up a combination of Fyfe/Shuey/Tapscott and Darling/Riewoldt/Dawes just for Scully? I certainly wouldn't, just like I would prefer Pick 3, 20 & Josh Kennedy to Chris Judd.
We could have two of these players with those picks which would go a long way towards fixing our depth in areas we are weaker, just like Carlton up forward and down back. Not to mention it should be easier to balance the TPP with some players like the ones I listed there rather than another player like Scully who will demand massive money. West Coast only had Judd, Kerr & Cousins as their absolute superstar mids, potentially we have more than that already.
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would be great for club, not to mention "sticking it up Garry lyons nose"
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I would prefer Pick 3, 20 & Josh Kennedy to Chris Judd.
Juddy every time
every single time
Juddy :bow
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gee i have read some crap over the years on this site but this is up there.
Scully not putting his jumper on...dear o dear o dear,
why stop there. I heard Kruzer followed the Tigers there so yep we must still be a chance to grab him.
he followed collingwood actually
Just thought you'd reply two years later?
I would prefer Pick 3, 20 & Josh Kennedy to Chris Judd.
Juddy every time
every single time
Juddy :bow
Sick bastard. Save that Carlton praise for the missus
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Just thought you'd reply two years later?
:lol
Sick bastard. Save that Carlton praise for the missus
Juddy is a SUPERSTAR
one of the all time greats
Masten, Notte & Kennedy :lol shizzle the bedizzle
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Hop off the wankers jock mate
Kennedy goes alright. ;D
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Just thought you'd reply two years later?
:lol
Sick bastard. Save that Carlton praise for the missus
Juddy is a SUPERSTAR
one of the all time greats
Masten, Notte & Kennedy :lol shizzle the bedizzle
Depends on what stage of development your club is at. Chris Judd would have done nothing for our club to get us towards a premiership as he will be retiring before we get to that stage. I said I'd like the picks, not the players that West Coast took with those picks. Kennedy would be a very good forward teaming up with Jack plus at Pick 3 we could have had picked a player like Jarrad Grant, Patrick Dangerfield, Cyril Rioli, Jack Grimes or Callan Ward along with Pick 20 getting us Tayte Pears, Andy Otten or Levi Greenwood, etc.
Are you telling me you would prefer Chris Judd for 5-6 years when we are nowhere near ready to play finals instead of Cyril Rioli, Tayte Pears & Josh Kennedy for 10-12 years? That's a quality key forward, key back and freak midfielder/forward, you can build your side around that, not just one player.
I was also talking about the mentality too, these are only the players from that draft. If we are talking about using the 1st round picks we have instead of trading them away for one player, the logic still applies. I was just using the Judd trade as an example.
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I'd rather delist or trade Morton and use both picks in the draft as they will get us two good players which is better than 1 good player
We have enough midfield guns, we need depth
ooh please. Scully adds to our depth.
No guarantees those picks will deliver anything descent especially with WGS concessions.
Geelong had the midfield that what won them flags. No one knows who to tag at the Lexus Centre. Swan, Thomas, Pendelbury, Sidebottom the list goes on.
We add Scully to our list and Jack would be creaming his pants at the delivery coming in.
We are 1 A grader short in the back half IMO and when we are pushing near the top if one of Vickery or Gus dont come on we should trade for a top ruckman. This would complete our list.
We already have 3 Top 3 draft picks and 1 Pick 6 making up our midfield, how many other midfield's have comprised of that? The only one I can think of is Carlton and they are still too thin down back and up forward, it is not their midfield holding them back. Our pick this year will be something like 8-16 and our compensation pick if we use it in 2012 will be about pick 17-20 there are plenty of gun players picked up with these selections with the talent networks the way they are in modern recruitment.
Jack Darling went Pick 26, Nathan Fyfe Pick 20, Luke Tapscott Pick 20, Steele Sidebottom Pick 11, Luke Shuey Pick 18, Jackson Trengove Pick 22 ,David Zaharakis Pick 23, Jack Redden Pick 25, Dayne Beams Pick 29, Jack Grimes Pick 14, Callan Ward Pick 19, Jack Riewoldt Pick 13, Shaun Hampson Pick 17, Chris Dawes Pick 28.
Would you be willing to give up a combination of Fyfe/Shuey/Tapscott and Darling/Riewoldt/Dawes just for Scully? I certainly wouldn't, just like I would prefer Pick 3, 20 & Josh Kennedy to Chris Judd.
We could have two of these players with those picks which would go a long way towards fixing our depth in areas we are weaker, just like Carlton up forward and down back. Not to mention it should be easier to balance the TPP with some players like the ones I listed there rather than another player like Scully who will demand massive money. West Coast only had Judd, Kerr & Cousins as their absolute superstar mids, potentially we have more than that already.
Thats the thing we could have those players if we recruit correctly but there are no guarantees.
Your assuming the players those picks would net would be of the calibre of Fyfe, Shuey and Darling.
For the record Eagles used those picks to select Masten and Tony Notte. Such guns they are at this stage of proceedings
GWS will scoop the talent pool again so chances of success are reduced again. I would rather we turn our attention to the VFL like every one else is doing
Scully is potential A grade(injury free) and this would allow us to use Lids across half back without a need to rush him in the mid.
You can never have enough elite midfielders players
Hawks. Rioli, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Hodge
Geelong. Ablett, Bartell, Selwood, Chappy, Corey
Pies. Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas, Shaw Back
Tigers currently. Dusty, Cotch, Lids.. as potential A graders. Foley on his way back but who knows.
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I'd rather delist or trade Morton and use both picks in the draft as they will get us two good players which is better than 1 good player
We have enough midfield guns, we need depth
ooh please. Scully adds to our depth.
No guarantees those picks will deliver anything descent especially with WGS concessions.
Geelong had the midfield that what won them flags. No one knows who to tag at the Lexus Centre. Swan, Thomas, Pendelbury, Sidebottom the list goes on.
We add Scully to our list and Jack would be creaming his pants at the delivery coming in.
We are 1 A grader short in the back half IMO and when we are pushing near the top if one of Vickery or Gus dont come on we should trade for a top ruckman. This would complete our list.
We already have 3 Top 3 draft picks and 1 Pick 6 making up our midfield, how many other midfield's have comprised of that? The only one I can think of is Carlton and they are still too thin down back and up forward, it is not their midfield holding them back. Our pick this year will be something like 8-16 and our compensation pick if we use it in 2012 will be about pick 17-20 there are plenty of gun players picked up with these selections with the talent networks the way they are in modern recruitment.
Jack Darling went Pick 26, Nathan Fyfe Pick 20, Luke Tapscott Pick 20, Steele Sidebottom Pick 11, Luke Shuey Pick 18, Jackson Trengove Pick 22 ,David Zaharakis Pick 23, Jack Redden Pick 25, Dayne Beams Pick 29, Jack Grimes Pick 14, Callan Ward Pick 19, Jack Riewoldt Pick 13, Shaun Hampson Pick 17, Chris Dawes Pick 28.
Would you be willing to give up a combination of Fyfe/Shuey/Tapscott and Darling/Riewoldt/Dawes just for Scully? I certainly wouldn't, just like I would prefer Pick 3, 20 & Josh Kennedy to Chris Judd.
We could have two of these players with those picks which would go a long way towards fixing our depth in areas we are weaker, just like Carlton up forward and down back. Not to mention it should be easier to balance the TPP with some players like the ones I listed there rather than another player like Scully who will demand massive money. West Coast only had Judd, Kerr & Cousins as their absolute superstar mids, potentially we have more than that already.
Thats the thing we could have those players if we recruit correctly but there are no guarantees.
Your assuming the players those picks would net would be of the calibre of Fyfe, Shuey and Darling.
For the record Eagles used those picks to select Masten and Tony Notte. Such guns they are at this stage of proceedings
GWS will scoop the talent pool again so chances of success are reduced again. I would rather we turn our attention to the VFL like every one else is doing
Scully is potential A grade(injury free) and this would allow us to use Lids across half back without a need to rush him in the mid.
You can never have enough elite midfielders players
Hawks. Rioli, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Hodge
Geelong. Ablett, Bartell, Selwood, Chappy, Corey
Pies. Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas, Shaw Back
Tigers currently. Dusty, Cotch, Lids.. as potential A graders. Foley on his way back but who knows.
Of course you need to back your recruiters, although ours have done pretty well with our 1st round picks since 2006 so I'd be willing to back them in.
The thing is you are not only taking the chance to get more than 1 gun player, but you are creating a more even team over the park and not putting your eggs in one basket. What if Judd/Scully was to do their knee? Your entire investment is damaged rather than perhaps only one of two or one of three going down. Even now Scully is injured and may walk out of the club at the end of the year, that's a massive loss where as with more than one player you'd still have something left. Sure Collingwood has their elite players in the midfield, but the rest of their side is so even across the ground, the Saints who are weak at the bottom end of their 22 have had nothing but failure at the last hurdle.
Each side you listed has only 4 or 5 elite mids, when we already have Lids, Cotchin, Martin, Foley & potentially Conca. That's already 4-5, so do we really need to trade away 2-3 first rounders to add another to that list? Other than the A grade mids to build the enginer room around, you really do need a good 10-12 quality midfielders to have a successful side. Multiple first rounders would be a much better way to get there than just trying to get another elite player. I'd rather we traded for another ruckman as the last piece of the puzzle.
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Does my head in knowing his family and he also are Richmond mad.
But we got Martin. :cheers
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Depends on what stage of development your club is at. Chris Judd would have done nothing for our club to get us towards a premiership as he will be retiring before we get to that stage. I said I'd like the picks, not the players that West Coast took with those picks. Kennedy would be a very good forward teaming up with Jack plus at Pick 3 we could have had picked a player like Jarrad Grant, Patrick Dangerfield, Cyril Rioli, Jack Grimes or Callan Ward along with Pick 20 getting us Tayte Pears, Andy Otten or Levi Greenwood, etc.
Are you telling me you would prefer Chris Judd for 5-6 years when we are nowhere near ready to play finals instead of Cyril Rioli, Tayte Pears & Josh Kennedy for 10-12 years? That's a quality key forward, key back and freak midfielder/forward, you can build your side around that, not just one player.
We were thereabouts with Carlton when they got Juddy. We went backwards they went forwards. Enough said.
As for the picks, could easily have ended up with a rich collection of first round talent like Tambling, Polo, Meyer & Pattison... I'll take the guaranteed champion every time.
This is his 4th year at Carlton and he's easily got another 3-4 in him with the way he prepares, he's missed 4 games out of a possible 74 and some of those were due to suspension, your argument about him not being around for a premiership is pure garbage. He'll play 150 games for the Blues and they'll have every chance to bag a flag before he retires.
Chris Judd would have done nothing for our club, turn it up.
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Depends on what stage of development your club is at. Chris Judd would have done nothing for our club to get us towards a premiership as he will be retiring before we get to that stage. I said I'd like the picks, not the players that West Coast took with those picks. Kennedy would be a very good forward teaming up with Jack plus at Pick 3 we could have had picked a player like Jarrad Grant, Patrick Dangerfield, Cyril Rioli, Jack Grimes or Callan Ward along with Pick 20 getting us Tayte Pears, Andy Otten or Levi Greenwood, etc.
Are you telling me you would prefer Chris Judd for 5-6 years when we are nowhere near ready to play finals instead of Cyril Rioli, Tayte Pears & Josh Kennedy for 10-12 years? That's a quality key forward, key back and freak midfielder/forward, you can build your side around that, not just one player.
We were thereabouts with Carlton when they got Juddy. We went backwards they went forwards. Enough said.
As for the picks, could easily have ended up with a rich collection of first round talent like Tambling, Polo, Meyer & Pattison... I'll take the guaranteed champion every time.
This is his 4th year at Carlton and he's easily got another 3-4 in him with the way he prepares, he's missed 4 games out of a possible 74 and some of those were due to suspension, your argument about him not being around for a premiership is pure garbage. He'll play 150 games for the Blues and they'll have every chance to bag a flag before he retires.
Chris Judd would have done nothing for our club, turn it up.
The Blues were a lot further along than we were in their redevelopment
Judd would have also cost us Cotchin
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I get your argument Infamy, but I would definitely take Judd. Things could have been very different had we got him. He's a once in a lifetime player.
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martin probably will be too
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The Blues were a lot further along than we were in their redevelopment
Judd would have also cost us Cotchin
A lot futher? Bulldust.
It's not about what he would have cost us, it's about what he cost Carlton.
You said you would have kept picks 3, 20 & Kennedy and let a superstar pass you by.
Me, I'd be doing cartwheels with Juddy & big Krooza :thumbsup
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The Blues were a lot further along than we were in their redevelopment
Judd would have also cost us Cotchin
A lot futher? Bulldust.
It's not about what he would have cost us, it's about what he cost Carlton.
You said you would have kept picks 3, 20 & Kennedy and let a superstar pass you by.
Me, I'd be doing cartwheels with Juddy & big Krooza :thumbsup
No thanks
Mercenaries both of them.
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The Blues were a lot further along than we were in their redevelopment
Judd would have also cost us Cotchin
A lot futher? Bulldust.
It's not about what he would have cost us, it's about what he cost Carlton.
You said you would have kept picks 3, 20 & Kennedy and let a superstar pass you by.
Me, I'd be doing cartwheels with Juddy & big Krooza :thumbsup
Of course they were further ahead, they had been bottoming out for an eternity
2002 - 16th (no first round pick due to penalties)
2003 - 15th (Pick #2)
2004 - 11th (Pick #9)
2005 - 16th (Pick #1)
2006 - 16th (Pick #1)
2007 - 15th (Pick #1 & 3 (traded for Judd))
That's 5/22 picks almost 25% of the team, they were ready to make their move up the ladder
In our position in 2007 would I have taken #3, #20 & Kennedy over Judd? In a heart beat
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I'd rather delist or trade Morton and use both picks in the draft as they will get us two good players which is better than 1 good player
We have enough midfield guns, we need depth
ooh please. Scully adds to our depth.
No guarantees those picks will deliver anything descent especially with WGS concessions.
Geelong had the midfield that what won them flags. No one knows who to tag at the Lexus Centre. Swan, Thomas, Pendelbury, Sidebottom the list goes on.
We add Scully to our list and Jack would be creaming his pants at the delivery coming in.
We are 1 A grader short in the back half IMO and when we are pushing near the top if one of Vickery or Gus dont come on we should trade for a top ruckman. This would complete our list.
We already have 3 Top 3 draft picks and 1 Pick 6 making up our midfield, how many other midfield's have comprised of that? The only one I can think of is Carlton and they are still too thin down back and up forward, it is not their midfield holding them back. Our pick this year will be something like 8-16 and our compensation pick if we use it in 2012 will be about pick 17-20 there are plenty of gun players picked up with these selections with the talent networks the way they are in modern recruitment.
Jack Darling went Pick 26, Nathan Fyfe Pick 20, Luke Tapscott Pick 20, Steele Sidebottom Pick 11, Luke Shuey Pick 18, Jackson Trengove Pick 22 ,David Zaharakis Pick 23, Jack Redden Pick 25, Dayne Beams Pick 29, Jack Grimes Pick 14, Callan Ward Pick 19, Jack Riewoldt Pick 13, Shaun Hampson Pick 17, Chris Dawes Pick 28.
Would you be willing to give up a combination of Fyfe/Shuey/Tapscott and Darling/Riewoldt/Dawes just for Scully? I certainly wouldn't, just like I would prefer Pick 3, 20 & Josh Kennedy to Chris Judd.
We could have two of these players with those picks which would go a long way towards fixing our depth in areas we are weaker, just like Carlton up forward and down back. Not to mention it should be easier to balance the TPP with some players like the ones I listed there rather than another player like Scully who will demand massive money. West Coast only had Judd, Kerr & Cousins as their absolute superstar mids, potentially we have more than that already.
Of course you need to back your recruiters, although ours have done pretty well with our 1st round picks since 2006 so I'd be willing to back them in.
The thing is you are not only taking the chance to get more than 1 gun player, but you are creating a more even team over the park and not putting your eggs in one basket. What if Judd/Scully was to do their knee? Your entire investment is damaged rather than perhaps only one of two or one of three going down. Even now Scully is injured and may walk out of the club at the end of the year, that's a massive loss where as with more than one player you'd still have something left. Sure Collingwood has their elite players in the midfield, but the rest of their side is so even across the ground, the Saints who are weak at the bottom end of their 22 have had nothing but failure at the last hurdle.
Each side you listed has only 4 or 5 elite mids, when we already have Lids, Cotchin, Martin, Foley & potentially Conca. That's already 4-5, so do we really need to trade away 2-3 first rounders to add another to that list? Other than the A grade mids to build the enginer room around, you really do need a good 10-12 quality midfielders to have a successful side. Multiple first rounders would be a much better way to get there than just trying to get another elite player. I'd rather we traded for another ruckman as the last piece of the puzzle.
We have Lids, Martin and Cotchin as A graders. Foley has been out of the game for 2 years so lets just wait before labelling him A grade material. Conca 5 games in again too early.
Midfield and defence wins Flags. How many flags did Plugger and G Ablett win.
Midfielders kicking goals is where we want to get to and IMO a Midfield with Cotch, Martin, Lids, Scully, Foley, Conca would be hard for any club to match.
Our second priority or close first is developing/drafting for a A grade Defender. Anyone who thinks Mcguane will come on must be on some serious hooch. They are your everyday battlers that would barely feature in any top 8 side. We so need one of Grimes/Astbury to become our general down back or we are stuffed.
In 2012 we should aim trade for a ruckman but not yet. Until we are seriously challenging i wouldnt be chasing a ruckman yet, we have a few holes yet to fill.
Lastly who said about anything about trading both our first round picks. I would offer up our first plus Morton. If Foley doesnt come on or still seems injury prone i would consider offering him up and the Tambling pick, thus keeping our 1st pick. After all we gifted the Cats 12 and 16 for Otto
You also forget these 1st round picks are almost like early to late 2nds due to WGS.
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I'd rather delist or trade Morton and use both picks in the draft as they will get us two good players which is better than 1 good player
We have enough midfield guns, we need depth
:o
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Considering GWS are coming in and we are in need of rebuilding then I am with Inf and would rather keep our picks. I think the recruiters in our first round have got it right since 2006 and I see no reason why they can't in the future considering the time and effort we have been putting into the footy dept especially since Post Miller.
I would rather keep our picks than get someone for overs that in the long run may hinder us at the final hurdle or may more seriously cost us from a salary cap free agency perspective where we may have to let a few blokes go ala Essendon, Heffernan Blumfield Caracella post 2001.
In this day and age I'll take the draft and rebuild without losing trading any first rounders. I'll trade picks for players with other clubs once we have climbed the ladder and we are looking to get blokes who have been in the system already who can fit into the side based on their skill set and the specific needs we have that skill set can be best utilised on.
As much as Scully would be great for us giving away first round draft picks for him takes away from other key developmental areas where we may be lacking and thus robbing us in the long run of a KPP a ruckman etc. Furthermore the price Scully would have on his head potentially would fly in the face of what we would be offering our kids and may cause dissention amongst the kids Cotch, Jack, Conca, Lids, Dusty etc when the time comes and their contracts are up.
I am not of the idea of giving up two first rounders for him. Lets keep our first rounder and our Tambo pick and if we can get rid of a few and get a few extra picks along the way then lets go for it. We still potentially have to cull another 6-8 players at the end of the year. We are in no possie to give away picks. I say unless he comes cheap let him go to GWS despite his obvious abilities. I choose to look at waht I have and how I can make it better without losing to much.
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You may have a point in terms of future salary cap issues. I can't see any more probems.
You need to give something to get something;
I'd be happy to give up our first pick and tambling picks plus a kicker such as Morton for
scully. He is went #1 for a reason. His last quarter vs the dogs when he got 15 odd touches was
extraordinary
You could try trade a Moore. Or nason. Or mcgaune to an expansion club to get back some picks.
Big Richmond fan. Professional trainer like cousins. Would only be a 3rd yr player... I could not think of
more perfect linkman foot soilderfor our devloping mid group.
R1 2012
batchelor. Grimes. Moore/astbury.
Houli. Rance. Newman
nahas. Martin. Grigg.
Conca. Griffiths. Deledio.
King. Riewoldt. Vickery.
Derickx. Cotchin/Foley. Scully/Jackson.
+1 tuck.
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Young yes and I agree only a third year player but lets not live on the romance of him being a RFC fan.
I understand that in the position we are in where we need to dip into the draft not just for another mid but a ruckman and KPP to give what some are suggesting would only hinder us longer term as we may miss out on that player merely by getting Scully who as good as he may be is no ruckman and no KPP back or fwd.
Our squad is not yet at the stage where we are trading picks for players because our premiership window is open. Right now we are merely looking at the window and we haven't even turned the latch to unlock it. Lets not look too far ahead and lets focus on developing those we have and using our picks on our specific needs rather than getting a player who is a RFC fan albeit how good he is.
The price is too steep and our squad still has holes that need to be filled and Sully on his own won't fill them.
No I wouldn't trade our first rounder and Tambling pick for him. Keep the picks IMHO.
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On SEN this evening, Lloyd was discussing that GWS have four 17 y/o players they must auction off to the highest bidder. Im not sure of the intricacies but on what i heard is that these 4 players are good enough to be top 20. Why they must auction these players I don't know. Maybe someone on this forum might know what he was talking about.
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Daniel mids and defence wins flags in some cases not all but Dunstall played in 4 and Dermie in 5 and Denis Pagan developed a side that created space in the forward line that this bloke called Wayne Carey exploited with devastating effect. Won two flags should have won a third if those forwards kicked straight in another in 1998 and in a Prelim in 1994 and built a dynasty which never got out of the top 4 in 8 seasons.
To think giving away our pics on Scully as another mid is going to make us a better side when we could fill holes in KPP and ruckman is ludicrous.
We all accept and recognise that Lids Dusty Conca Cotchin are not going to let us down yet we all have had a sook over our backline look how exposed we were with suspensions and with Gus. Lets fill a few more holes in our list and not lose any sleep on Scully. Ultimately good luck to the kid but to me its like buying a used car for the price of a new one of that model.
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Good to see someone is on the same page as me
You'd think we'd have learnt our lesson by now after all the trades we've done with early picks over the last couple of decades
Look how far that got us
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Good to see someone is on the same page as me
You'd think we'd have learnt our lesson by now after all the trades we've done with early picks over the last couple of decades
Look how far that got us
I have been against trading for thr likes of Kane Johnson ad Jordan mcmahon over the years in favor of a keep high pick policy.
However in the future we must be bold. Retain our better players and at least looo at adding stars if the chance occurs.
Ottens -> Geelong.
B hall -> Sydney.
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On SEN this evening, Lloyd was discussing that GWS have four 17 y/o players they must auction off to the highest bidder. Im not sure of the intricacies but on what i heard is that these 4 players are good enough to be top 20. Why they must auction these players I don't know. Maybe someone on this forum might know what he was talking about.
These are really important picks. Richmond must chase at least 1 of these picks WITHOUT betting or trading the farm. Some very high quality players available.
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Just thought you'd reply two years later?
:lol
Sick bastard. Save that Carlton praise for the missus
Juddy is a SUPERSTAR
one of the all time greats
Masten, Notte & Kennedy :lol shizzle the bedizzle
Depends on what stage of development your club is at. Chris Judd would have done nothing for our club to get us towards a premiership as he will be retiring before we get to that stage. I said I'd like the picks, not the players that West Coast took with those picks. Kennedy would be a very good forward teaming up with Jack plus at Pick 3 we could have had picked a player like Jarrad Grant, Patrick Dangerfield, Cyril Rioli, Jack Grimes or Callan Ward along with Pick 20 getting us Tayte Pears, Andy Otten or Levi Greenwood, etc.
Are you telling me you would prefer Chris Judd for 5-6 years when we are nowhere near ready to play finals instead of Cyril Rioli, Tayte Pears & Josh Kennedy for 10-12 years? That's a quality key forward, key back and freak midfielder/forward, you can build your side around that, not just one player.
I was also talking about the mentality too, these are only the players from that draft. If we are talking about using the 1st round picks we have instead of trading them away for one player, the logic still applies. I was just using the Judd trade as an example.
totally agree with this post. it all comes down to what stage you are at.
i know for fact that wce were desperate to get their hands on cotchin. its why they pushed so hard for carltons #1 pick and dealt so amicably with us.
just imagine if they did get pick 1 and cotchin. they would have potentially gone a long way to replacing judd. and with kennedy a robust strong underrated chf.
kruezer and cotchin were the two out and out standouts in that draft.they went with notte because they were chasing key forwards also.
imo the 07 draft hurt them a bit. they could only use 4 picks because of having to place cousins salary into their cap. those picks 3 13 20 22 and kennedy a pick 4 in 05. they basically traded pick 35 the pick we gave them for morton and pick 30 for pick 22.
imagine if they did get pick 1 and used those other picks really well. cotchin, ward, pears, selwood and kennedy.
if we had kept our pp in 07 pick 19 that we traded for mcmahon my preference was cotchin 2 rance18 and pears at 19. i had a kid called collier originally pencilled in at 19 but when rance slipped i thought him a neccesity because of needs so the pecking order for me changed .
i was one who believed we should load up with talls this goes back a long long time.i dont believe we have ever truly loaded up with talls. in 07 i was also heavily into another tall defender from my local club in cale hooker.
in 06 i was adamant we should take mackenzie in front of edwards. we traded out of pick 42 that yr and there were some decent players to be had still. colin garland anyone.
anyway i digress for where we were at in 07 to go out and trade for judd at the expense of our early picks would have done untold long term damage. to get judd we would have had to give away pick 2 18 and in all likelyhood a decent player.with judd we would probablyu win more games than we currently do but that woukld mean higher finishes and less likely picks. we would be in limbo imo sniffing around the 8 but never good enough to compete with the big boys. probably no martin or conca and possibly one or two others.
we supposedly now have recruiters who know what they are doing even with the advent of gcs and gws what early picks that are available will be invaluable.
while we are down, now is the time to add to the likes of cotchin martin deledio conca jack you obviously do this with early picks.
for us depth and good structure is now the key while getting games into a decent core.
our footy club should not be trading early picks away until it has a thing called good depth good structure and nearly all the building blocks are in place.
to me we must get some experienced players into our system im sure we can do that without selling our souls and our long term future.
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I'd rather delist or trade Morton and use both picks in the draft as they will get us two good players which is better than 1 good player
We have enough midfield guns, we need depth
ooh please. Scully adds to our depth.
No guarantees those picks will deliver anything descent especially with WGS concessions.
Geelong had the midfield that what won them flags. No one knows who to tag at the Lexus Centre. Swan, Thomas, Pendelbury, Sidebottom the list goes on.
We add Scully to our list and Jack would be creaming his pants at the delivery coming in.
We are 1 A grader short in the back half IMO and when we are pushing near the top if one of Vickery or Gus dont come on we should trade for a top ruckman. This would complete our list.
We already have 3 Top 3 draft picks and 1 Pick 6 making up our midfield, how many other midfield's have comprised of that? The only one I can think of is Carlton and they are still too thin down back and up forward, it is not their midfield holding them back. Our pick this year will be something like 8-16 and our compensation pick if we use it in 2012 will be about pick 17-20 there are plenty of gun players picked up with these selections with the talent networks the way they are in modern recruitment.
Jack Darling went Pick 26, Nathan Fyfe Pick 20, Luke Tapscott Pick 20, Steele Sidebottom Pick 11, Luke Shuey Pick 18, Jackson Trengove Pick 22 ,David Zaharakis Pick 23, Jack Redden Pick 25, Dayne Beams Pick 29, Jack Grimes Pick 14, Callan Ward Pick 19, Jack Riewoldt Pick 13, Shaun Hampson Pick 17, Chris Dawes Pick 28.
Would you be willing to give up a combination of Fyfe/Shuey/Tapscott and Darling/Riewoldt/Dawes just for Scully? I certainly wouldn't, just like I would prefer Pick 3, 20 & Josh Kennedy to Chris Judd.
We could have two of these players with those picks which would go a long way towards fixing our depth in areas we are weaker, just like Carlton up forward and down back. Not to mention it should be easier to balance the TPP with some players like the ones I listed there rather than another player like Scully who will demand massive money. West Coast only had Judd, Kerr & Cousins as their absolute superstar mids, potentially we have more than that already.
Thats the thing we could have those players if we recruit correctly but there are no guarantees.
Your assuming the players those picks would net would be of the calibre of Fyfe, Shuey and Darling.
For the record Eagles used those picks to select Masten and Tony Notte. Such guns they are at this stage of proceedings
GWS will scoop the talent pool again so chances of success are reduced again. I would rather we turn our attention to the VFL like every one else is doing
Scully is potential A grade(injury free) and this would allow us to use Lids across half back without a need to rush him in the mid.
You can never have enough elite midfielders players
Hawks. Rioli, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Hodge
Geelong. Ablett, Bartell, Selwood, Chappy, Corey
Pies. Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas, Shaw Back
Tigers currently. Dusty, Cotch, Lids.. as potential A graders. Foley on his way back but who knows.
Of course you need to back your recruiters, although ours have done pretty well with our 1st round picks since 2006 so I'd be willing to back them in.
The thing is you are not only taking the chance to get more than 1 gun player, but you are creating a more even team over the park and not putting your eggs in one basket. What if Judd/Scully was to do their knee? Your entire investment is damaged rather than perhaps only one of two or one of three going down. Even now Scully is injured and may walk out of the club at the end of the year, that's a massive loss where as with more than one player you'd still have something left. Sure Collingwood has their elite players in the midfield, but the rest of their side is so even across the ground, the Saints who are weak at the bottom end of their 22 have had nothing but failure at the last hurdle.
Each side you listed has only 4 or 5 elite mids, when we already have Lids, Cotchin, Martin, Foley & potentially Conca. That's already 4-5, so do we really need to trade away 2-3 first rounders to add another to that list? Other than the A grade mids to build the enginer room around, you really do need a good 10-12 quality midfielders to have a successful side. Multiple first rounders would be a much better way to get there than just trying to get another elite player. I'd rather we traded for another ruckman as the last piece of the puzzle.
sheesh agree again only bit i disagree with is the last sentence as i think we still have heaps of pieces to find for the puzzle. but that is a different story and depends entirely on how one rates our players and how many youngsters actually make the grade.
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I didn't mean we should trade for a ruckman NOW as the last piece of the puzzle, just we should only trade for one WHEN it is the last player we need
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Daniel mids and defence wins flags in some cases not all but Dunstall played in 4 and Dermie in 5 and Denis Pagan developed a side that created space in the forward line that this bloke called Wayne Carey exploited with devastating effect. Won two flags should have won a third if those forwards kicked straight in another in 1998 and in a Prelim in 1994 and built a dynasty which never got out of the top 4 in 8 seasons.
To think giving away our pics on Scully as another mid is going to make us a better side when we could fill holes in KPP and ruckman is ludicrous.
We all accept and recognise that Lids Dusty Conca Cotchin are not going to let us down yet we all have had a sook over our backline look how exposed we were with suspensions and with Gus. Lets fill a few more holes in our list and not lose any sleep on Scully. Ultimately good luck to the kid but to me its like buying a used car for the price of a new one of that model.
Fascinating discussion one which we will never agree.
If you read back on some of my earlier posts Tucker i mentioned finding or developing an A grade defender is a very high priority for us.
I would only agree to a trade for scully if we were to hold one of our first 2 picks. (1st round or Tambling pick) and offloading a Morton to GWS and like i said if Foley doesnt come on then we can throw him up to GWS to get the deal done.
I agree we dont want a Mclovin episode but lets face it Scully is A grade. Mclovin was playing reserves and we thought it was a great idea to recruit the spud. Bit different.
I seriously cant see how we would lose if we throw Foley(If he is struggling by rd 22 which i doubt) and Morton to GWS and give that to the Dees for Scully, thus keeping one of our 2 1st rounders.
Scully is a gun and they dont grow on trees and no thats not paying overs if you ask me
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Scully is only A grade if hes knees hold up otherwise we must pass.
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On SEN this evening, Lloyd was discussing that GWS have four 17 y/o players they must auction off to the highest bidder. Im not sure of the intricacies but on what i heard is that these 4 players are good enough to be top 20. Why they must auction these players I don't know. Maybe someone on this forum might know what he was talking about.
These are really important picks. Richmond must chase at least 1 of these picks WITHOUT betting or trading the farm. Some very high quality players available.
Flags can you please explain to me how this trading that Lloyd was talking about works? It sounded important but I only caught the end of he discussion.
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As much as Scully would be great for us giving away first round draft picks for him takes away from other key developmental areas where we may be lacking and thus robbing us in the long run of a KPP a ruckman etc.
I understand that in the position we are in where we need to dip into the draft not just for another mid but a ruckman and KPP to give what some are suggesting would only hinder us longer term as we may miss out on that player merely by getting Scully who as good as he may be is no ruckman and no KPP back or fwd.
The price is too steep and our squad still has holes that need to be filled and Sully on his own won't fill them.
Our current side is on running with seven talls; Riewoldt, Rance, Miller, Grimes, Vickery, McGaune, Graham.
15 running players around thatspine
IfRichmond boasted a VFL side and a good run with injury our 2nd string side would line pick 7 or 8 players from the following.
Griffiths, Gourdis, Westhoff
Astbury, Post, Moore, Thursfield,
Browne, Derickx
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I didn't mean we should trade for a ruckman NOW as the last piece of the puzzle, just we should only trade for one WHEN it is the last player we need
Just like I didn't mean we should have traded OUR picks for Judd, nor do i think we should be trading them now.
and LMAO at trying to draw a bow between trading away picks for McMahon and doing the same for a dual Brownlow medalist
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I didn't mean we should trade for a ruckman NOW as the last piece of the puzzle, just we should only trade for one WHEN it is the last player we need
Just like I didn't mean we should have traded OUR picks for Judd, nor do i think we should be trading them now.
and LMAO at trying to draw a bow between trading away picks for McMahon and doing the same for a dual Brownlow medalist
I wasn't trying to compare those two, I was looking further back in history than that and with earlier picks too
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On SEN this evening, Lloyd was discussing that GWS have four 17 y/o players they must auction off to the highest bidder. Im not sure of the intricacies but on what i heard is that these 4 players are good enough to be top 20. Why they must auction these players I don't know. Maybe someone on this forum might know what he was talking about.
These are really important picks. Richmond must chase at least 1 of these picks WITHOUT betting or trading the farm. Some very high quality players available.
Flags can you please explain to me how this trading that Lloyd was talking about works? It sounded important but I only caught the end of he discussion.
The 4 17 year olds will never play for the GWS, so GWS pick them to stimulate trading with other clubs. Adelaide have already suggested to GWS to draft Jack Viney, and they will trade with GWS to get him. (either adelaides picks or most probably an experienced player)
7. Incentive to Other Clubs Trading with Team GWS in the 2011 and 2012 post-season:
Team GWS to be given access to four 17-year-olds born in the January to April 1994 window, with all players to be traded to other clubs. Selections will be allocated to Team GWS so the club can trade for established players, but the club will not have access to these 17-year-olds. If the four trades are not completed in the 2011 post-season, the balance of up to four trades may be used in the 2012 trading period.
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(http://i.qkme.me/Dnh.jpg)
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Viney is already at Melbourne
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Draft Picks Draft Picks Draft Picks!
Scully's currency is rated far too high IMO.
We are investing time and money into our drafting and recruiting we should pick the fruit from our tree we are growing rather than trade the seeds away.
Conca and Batchelor have fitted in perfectly and see them being 150+ gamers. Scully would be great and if we can get him at a fair price you'd take it. There is no point chasing him and paying overs.
We wont be able to offer anything better than a decent player plus our first round pick and maybe our 2nd. Even then Melbourne probably wouldn't take it, they and the media rate him far to highly.
I'll back our recruiters to get the draft picks right again.
Agree with Inf, a ruckman should be one of the last things traded into the club, but if a good opportunity presents we should snap it up IE Jackson Trengove.
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Seems odd you'd be happy to pay overs for a trengrove (port) and not scully. I doubt the south Australians would let him go cheap.
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I'm not sold on our need for chasing Trengove just yet, but the difference is a key position player is always harder to find than a midfielder
Look at how many gun midfielders come out of each draft then compare that to kpps
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With Foley fit we have less need for Scully.
Keep using the draft. It's working well for us.
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It's not about not needing scully so much if foley stays fit as adding to a promising mid group to make it better.
In regards to not having ruck / kpp holes is it just a lack of experience due to age. Or is our list in major repair?
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Melbourne must be concerned if they needed to confront Scully over if he was off to GWS...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-president-jim-stynes-urges-gun-midfielder-tom-scully-to-come-clean/story-e6frf9jf-1226055848465
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On SEN this evening, Lloyd was discussing that GWS have four 17 y/o players they must auction off to the highest bidder. Im not sure of the intricacies but on what i heard is that these 4 players are good enough to be top 20. Why they must auction these players I don't know. Maybe someone on this forum might know what he was talking about.
These are really important picks. Richmond must chase at least 1 of these picks WITHOUT betting or trading the farm. Some very high quality players available.
Flags can you please explain to me how this trading that Lloyd was talking about works? It sounded important but I only caught the end of he discussion.
The 4 17 year olds will never play for the GWS, so GWS pick them to stimulate trading with other clubs. Adelaide have already suggested to GWS to draft Jack Viney, and they will trade with GWS to get him. (either adelaides picks or most probably an experienced player)
7. Incentive to Other Clubs Trading with Team GWS in the 2011 and 2012 post-season:
Team GWS to be given access to four 17-year-olds born in the January to April 1994 window, with all players to be traded to other clubs. Selections will be allocated to Team GWS so the club can trade for established players, but the club will not have access to these 17-year-olds. If the four trades are not completed in the 2011 post-season, the balance of up to four trades may be used in the 2012 trading period.
thankyou Londontiger. :cheers :thumbsup
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Very large thread on PRE in the rumours section that suggests its actually RFC he wants to go to, not GWS
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Very large thread on PRE in the rumours section that suggests its actually RFC he wants to go to, not GWS
The guy that started the rumour thread just posted on it 'he's gone, and will be at Richmond next year'
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The whole thread reads like crap to me.
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The whole thread reads like crap to me.
haha same. I think Scully will stay his just holding off to push up his money.
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Rumours, rumours, rumours .... If Scully returns from injury and blitzes in the second half of the season he'll get more money from Melbourne waiting until the end of the season than if he signs now. Scully and his manager holds the upper ground in negotiations with all other parties be it Melbourne, GWS or another club.
http://www.bigpondsport.com/why-scullys-not-the-villain/tabid/91/newsid/71893/default.aspx
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Very large thread on PRE in the rumours section that suggests its actually RFC he wants to go to, not GWS
The guy that started the rumour thread just posted on it 'he's gone, and will be at Richmond next year'
its no secret scully and his family are all rfc crazy luv this club
and its no secret that when scully was picked at one he cried , not tears of joy, but because he wanted to be pick 3
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Just out of curiosity are GWS allowed to on-trade the uncontracted players they poach from existing clubs?
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David Schwarz says Tom Scully has been lost to Greater Western Sydney.
Scully has remained passive on the issue, but Schwarz told Channel 7 that he was "98 per cent sure" the 20-year-old star was Sydney bound.
"I think Tom Scully's gone, I think he's signed. For Melbourne it's a bitter blow," Schwarz said of the 2009 No.1 national draft pick. I've heard it from the right people and I trust the people that have told me.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/david-schwarz-says-scully-on-the-move-to-greater-western-sydney/story-e6frf9jf-1226073924729
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GWS can have Browne, Graham, Hislop, Nahas and Edwards.
That's 2 quality rucks, 1 top line midfielder, 1 key position forward and 1 gun running half back. ;D
all we want in return is Scully. A serviceable midfielder with bad knees. :thumbsup
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Just out of curiosity are GWS allowed to on-trade the uncontracted players they poach from existing clubs?
A great question.
You would think so. Regardless you'd think they'd play even harder ball then those clubs would as they would only do a deal if they were paying unders.
Tom Scully to GWS, then traded to Richmond for over you'd expect.
We'd probably pay less if we went to Melbourne and traded with them for him.
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Just out of curiosity are GWS allowed to on-trade the uncontracted players they poach from existing clubs?
A great question.
You would think so. Regardless you'd think they'd play even harder ball then those clubs would as they would only do a deal if they were paying unders.
Tom Scully to GWS, then traded to Richmond for over you'd expect.
We'd probably pay less if we went to Melbourne and traded with them for him.
Haha Imagen if GWS did screw melb over by on-trading Scully for alot less then what Melb could of got if they was to trade him out.
Never happen though but would be funny.
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The blowtorch has to be on Melbourne's use of their recent high draft picks soon. Watts has done FA so far but might be ok ? Morton is soft and slow , McLean is pox and was traded and Sylvia has been hot and cold and undisciplined. Throw in they cheated to get Scully who is probably gone no sooner than he got there.
That's five top five picks right there
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The blowtorch has to be on Melbourne's use of their recent high draft picks soon. Watts has done FA so far but might be ok ? Morton is soft and slow , McLean is pox and was traded and Sylvia has been hot and cold and undisciplined. Throw in they cheated to get Scully who is probably gone no sooner than he got there.
That's five top five picks right there
They actually cheated to get Trengove, they had the #1 pick sewn up and got the #2 pick as a PP.
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Just out of curiosity are GWS allowed to on-trade the uncontracted players they poach from existing clubs?
A great question.
You would think so. Regardless you'd think they'd play even harder ball then those clubs would as they would only do a deal if they were paying unders.
Tom Scully to GWS, then traded to Richmond for over you'd expect.
We'd probably pay less if we went to Melbourne and traded with them for him.
We have room, would be crazy if we did'nt check out the scenario beacuse he is gawn
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Would be great to get the ultimate revenge after the Sanchez fiasco ;D
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Would be our lebronjames (scully).
Great foil to DWade (martin).
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We have Buckley's chance of getting him I would think.
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Would think Melbourne would like to deal with us for Scully rather than take a end of first round pick.
We could and should be offering a good (not great player) plus our first pick.
Maybe Nathan Foley or Daniel Jackson
The thought of Scully, Martin & Cotchin around for 10 years get's me excited!!
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Mitch morton. Our first round pick. And a another fringe player or pick so our offer is fair better than gws.
Keep the tambling pick. For this draft or the next.
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Would be our lebronjames (scully).
Great foil to DWade (martin).
hope we go one better than the heat then
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Would be our lebronjames (scully).
Great foil to DWade (martin).
hope we go one better than the heat then
I'd take a afl version of lebron ahead of mcgaune. White. Miller and friends.
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Melbourne may be forced to pay Scully $2.8 million over 4 years to keep him which could then put Melbourne under salary cap pressure and cause them to lose other young high-profile Demons. A potential lose-lose situation for Melbourne.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-cant-afford-to-lose-scully-but-can-it-afford-to-keep-him/story-e6frf9mf-1226077433510
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I can confirm from a reliable source that we are making a massive play for Scully. Watch this space :thumbsup
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I can confirm from a reliable source that we are making a massive play for Scully. Watch this space :thumbsup
hope so....hope your source is more reliable than the so called experts in the media
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i have been saying this since midway through last season. its not a secret that scully was devastated at being pick 1 and wanted badly to be 3, and be in the tiger jumper. he was in tears on draft day, not cos of excitement but devastation
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if thats the case then he is very naive.
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if thats the case then he is very naive.
he is a born and bred very passionate tiger fan , he will never be happy as a player unless he is in yellow and black
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yep that call just never goes away no matter who you talk to :shh
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come draft day he should have realised and accepted that was not going to happen.
It's ok to have aspirations but you need to to address the reality. if was really driven to tears by the fact he was not drafted by richmond then he either lives in fairy land or had other people building up false hopes for him
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Was probably tears of joy and being overwhelmed at being no 1 draft.
The reality is if there is a bidding war we should stay away and not pour a truckload on money on one player,
we will clearly have this issue already with the up and coming talent in our own list. Martin, reiwoldt, cotch etc
imo
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the reality is he'd sign with RFC for half of what GWS are offering, anyone who thinks he's clamouring to live in Sydney has rocks up top. In all likelihood Melb would clear him to us for R 1 & 2(tambling pick) selection plus Morton...much more than what GWS will return
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stuff me bo, thats on par, or even more than the compensation Geelong got for ablett
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eff me bo, thats on par, or even more than the compensation Geelong got for ablett
worthy investment mate say pick 10 + 25 + Morton and he's ours...if they settle for GWS compo then ~pick 20, that is all
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If they're only getting ~pick 20, then we can afford to play hardball. Our first pick and Morton.
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The likelihood of a kid ending up at the team he barracks for is remote and with the expansion sides hogging the drafts now you're 'lucky' if you remain in your home state. The price of becoming a professional footballer.
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If they're only getting ~pick 20, then we can afford to play hardball. Our first pick and Morton.
Agreed.
And I think it's more likely than not that he will end up a tiger.
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The likelihood of a kid ending up at the team he barracks for is remote and with the expansion sides hogging the drafts now you're 'lucky' if you remain in your home state. The price of becoming a professional footballer.
Buckley wanted to go to collingwood and he got there. As did Anthony Rocca.
It's time this once great club flexed it's puny muscle and made it happen. :weights
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i too was thinking of that...it doesn't happen too often but it does happen :pray
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The likelihood of a kid ending up at the team he barracks for is remote and with the expansion sides hogging the drafts now you're 'lucky' if you remain in your home state. The price of becoming a professional footballer.
Buckley wanted to go to collingwood and he got there. As did Anthony Rocca.
It's time this once great club flexed it's puny muscle and made it happen. :weights
Buckley also still had to go to Brisbane for a year courtesy of the draft. I was talking more about you can't control the draft and where you end up as a kid entering the AFL. In any case Bucks moving cost himself playing in 3 flags lol.
Lockett wanted to go to Richmond when he wanted out of St Kilda yet he ended up in Sydney thanks to the AFL. My cynicism says the AFL these days will step in and do what's best for their babies so those clubs eventually succeed in non-traditional footy states.
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your cynicism is duly noted...and agreed with.
The Lockett episode was sickening, although in the end i think he was glad to get out of the state with furore surrounding his greyhound partner (mcdonald I think) and the breeding scandle
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your cynicism is duly noted...and agreed with.
The Lockett episode was sickening, although in the end i think he was glad to get out of the state with furore surrounding his greyhound partner (mcdonald I think) and the breeding scandle
From memory the Saints wanted two of our best smalls/mids at the time (1994) with Cambo IIRC being one of them whereas the Swans were able to trade two nobodies or at least not any of their stars.
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your cynicism is duly noted...and agreed with.
The Lockett episode was sickening, although in the end i think he was glad to get out of the state with furore surrounding his greyhound partner (mcdonald I think) and the breeding scandle
From memory the Saints wanted two of our best smalls/mids at the time (1994) with Cambo IIRC being one of them whereas the Swans were able to trade two nobodies or at least not any of their stars.
daffy and maxfield they wanted
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I can confirm from a reliable source that we are making a massive play for Scully. Watch this space :thumbsup
Bloke you were giving a handy to in a public toilet?
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I can confirm from a reliable source that we are making a massive play for Scully. Watch this space :thumbsup
Bloke you were giving a handy to in a public toilet?
Just watch ;)
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Spud Frawley has told Melbourne they should give Scully 4 weeks to make up his mind and if he doesn't then play him in the VFL for the rest of the season as a no answer would mean Scully is going to GWS. Good ol' Spud and his player management lol.
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Spud Frawley has told Melbourne they should give Scully 4 weeks to make up his mind and if he doesn't then play him in the VFL for the rest of the season as a no answer would mean Scully is going to GWS. Good ol' Spud and his player management lol.
You would think they need Scully playing to give them selfs the best chance at making the finals. Its just silly dropping players cause they might be leaving your club. Plus having him play in the 2nds would just hurt bettering there compensation pick if he did leave.
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your cynicism is duly noted...and agreed with.
The Lockett episode was sickening, although in the end i think he was glad to get out of the state with furore surrounding his greyhound partner (mcdonald I think) and the breeding scandle
From memory the Saints wanted two of our best smalls/mids at the time (1994) with Cambo IIRC being one of them whereas the Swans were able to trade two nobodies or at least not any of their stars.
daffy and maxfield they wanted
My memory is that they wanted one of richo, knights or campbell plus another player
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If Scully wanted to be a Tiger from day 1 then he would have snubbed other clubs & showed no interest in playing for them over all his pre draft interviews. Talk of him crying because he didnot get picked by the club he barracks for is just pure crap. Draft pick 1 is the highest honor for these players. Its like being handed a blank cheque.
Scully to Richmond, anything is possible providing he comes to play for the jumper :thumbsup
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your cynicism is duly noted...and agreed with.
The Lockett episode was sickening, although in the end i think he was glad to get out of the state with furore surrounding his greyhound partner (mcdonald I think) and the breeding scandle
From memory the Saints wanted two of our best smalls/mids at the time (1994) with Cambo IIRC being one of them whereas the Swans were able to trade two nobodies or at least not any of their stars.
daffy and maxfield they wanted
My memory is that they wanted one of richo, knights or campbell plus another player
well your memory has fogged up :lol
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Scully BOG in the first half against Freo
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Hey Dooks, you have got me excited with this Scully talk.
Are you able to elaborate on the word you received?
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Scully BOG in the first half against Freo
yeah his burning today, Frawley saying his the best midfielder going round
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your cynicism is duly noted...and agreed with.
The Lockett episode was sickening, although in the end i think he was glad to get out of the state with furore surrounding his greyhound partner (mcdonald I think) and the breeding scandle
From memory the Saints wanted two of our best smalls/mids at the time (1994) with Cambo IIRC being one of them whereas the Swans were able to trade two nobodies or at least not any of their stars.
daffy and maxfield they wanted
My memory is that they wanted one of richo, knights or campbell plus another player
well your memory has fogged up :lol
;D not beyond the realms of possibility, or it could be yours that is.
I do have a pretty distinct memory of reading in a paper at the time that the saints wanted one of, a list of three of, our top players, the names i'm so sure about.
It's possible the demands changed during negotiation as well.
No online news articles back then to check..
actually thinking about it if they wanted daffy and maxfield they probably would have been close to a done deal
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the reality is my friends that our No 1 draft selection will be better than GWS compo.and Melbourne would welcome our interest..and we are only paying 92% of the cap, we could very easily sign him to a 700k pa deal
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the reality is my friends that our No 1 draft selection will be better than GWS compo.and Melbourne would welcome our interest..and we are only paying 92% of the cap, we could very easily sign him to a 700k pa deal
indeed. Why not go for it?
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his knee seems fine
will be even fitter in a tiger jumper next yr
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So if we're right into him, he hasn't signed anything with GWS then?
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So if we're right into him, he hasn't signed anything with GWS then?
You'd assume so...but, then there's that nasty rumor re a player who has signed, but has changed their mind. Who knows who that is.
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his knee seems fine
will be even fitter in a tiger jumper next yr
This will give Dimwittio license to take one of our stars for GWS.
His head will be on a souvlaki rotisserie if it happens. :banghead
WW3 will be started from Tigerland.
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speaking of souvlaki, dookie's sauce is usually about as good as a jar of out-of-date tzatziki that's been left in the sun :rollin
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speaking of souvlaki, dookie's sauce is usually about as good as a jar of out-of-date tzatziki that's been left in the sun :rollin
Incorrect. But we'll see how this progresses.
In the meantime, your can stick to your ogalo peri-jizzle.
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Interesting reading on the Demonland forum.
Personally, I would be more concerned about the Tigers. Or the possibility the GWS could doing a deal with the Tigers. Sheedy has already come out and said something along the lines of "we will actively assist clubs get what they want, if they help us get what we want"
However, question for me is will have the Tigers have the room in their salary cap to get the job done?
Dont forget the Tigers already have a "top 20" draft pick in the bank for this very type of scenario! Rumours, already are strong that Scully is their target.
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/24062-tom-scully-and-gws/page__p__386322#entry386322
That's an old quote, but there is more recent stuff, it gets interesting from here..
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26911-the-tom-scully-thread/page__st__160__p__448632#entry448632
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However, question for me is will have the Tigers have the room in their salary cap to get the job done?
Answer for you is yes we do. :gotigers
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However, question for me is will have the Tigers have the room in their salary cap to get the job done?
Answer for you is yes we do. :gotigers
He's not in it for the money. Of course we would. :gotigers
hangon007 is copping heaps from other Demon supporters.
He's giving them clues, they seem obvious to me.
You only have to look at the views of some of the so called "supporters" of the MFC in this forum & not necessarily exclusively on the topic of Tom Scully. Again thats not a criticism of the forum that values free speech.
Tom has a huge issue with the Demons tanking to get him!!
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They seem very edgy about Scully on that thread.
I love reading these rumours about Scully on the net, it's such a romantic notion, of having the true tiger come home to where he belongs, and help take us to the land of honey.
It would be freaken fantastic if any of this stuff was remotely true. It even makes me forget that we are more urgently in need of a ruckman and a tall defender (and maybe a CHF)
I'm hoping for the scenario where our first round pick is competitive with what the GWS compo would be. What did Geelong get for Ablett? The way Geelong are going, unless a cyclone wipes out Kardinia Park, Geelong have received a pick 9 and ~15 for him. Is Scully worth what Ablett is? If he is worth a little bit less then our 1st round pick might be competitive!
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im drunk enoygh to believe it
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I'm hoping for the scenario where our first round pick is competitive with what the GWS compo would be. What did Geelong get for Ablett? The way Geelong are going, unless a cyclone wipes out Kardinia Park, Geelong have received a pick 9 and ~15 for him. Is Scully worth what Ablett is? If he is worth a little bit less then our 1st round pick might be competitive!
It's going to be interesting come trade time, even more so if we're in the running for Tom.
There are so many scenarios that can happen at trade time.
All hypotheticals, but we use GWS to do a Brisbane/Brennan type upgrade of our first pick ie. Pick 17 and Astbury for pick 7?? If we lose a player to GWS then we have two compo picks, we could trade two compos for maybe an early teens pick. Connors and Morton may attract some nibbles from some clubs (Carlton, Hawks, Eagles, teams in the 8 that may trade rather than draft)??
Trade week always ends up a flop, but I think this one could be very busy.
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first round pick and a good player to melboure, maybe a late sweetner/wristy
scully to richmond
more than what they'll get from the AFL if he goes balls first to the GIANTS
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Nothing than a little fear and paranoia to get the masses turning on each other over a bottle of chiraz at the Mt Hotham Ski Chalet. Just make sure your ski chains are on your Jeep securely.
Would love to see Sully kick it to a Richmond player tomorrow so I or any other Tigers fan can rightly say a comment along the lines of get used to giving it to us more often Tom just to make the Dee fans just that little bit more uneasy. Geez are they paranoid or what. :lol :rollin :lol
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Nothing than a little fear and paranoia to get the masses turning on each other over a bottle of chiraz at the Mt Hotham Ski Chalet.
:gotigers
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Just been reading that Melbourne board. God I love it when some idiot posts a scenario which involves about 8 clubs, 27 players a bunch of banana and a spicy sausage to get a deal done. :rollin Idiots.
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HA! best quote is on page 7 "No solid source from me, but I have heard that Tom has some issues about the way we 'obtained' him...??" Interesting stuff indeed. By rights we would of had him and Dustmiester if Melbos hadn't of made like the Graf Spee and scuttled themselves to our draft detriment.
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do something Owl you tart
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I am I am!!!
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Seriously, I cant believe that this thread has gone on for 13 pages now. :banghead
Move on people ,move on.
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Seriously, I cant believe that this thread has gone on for 13 pages now. :banghead
Move on people ,move on.
Why the demonland stuff is classic comedy. Lets keep this thread rolling.
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hangon007 is copping heaps from other Demon supporters.
He's giving them clues, they seem obvious to me.
You only have to look at the views of some of the so called "supporters" of the MFC in this forum & not necessarily exclusively on the topic of Tom Scully. Again thats not a criticism of the forum that values free speech.
Tom has a huge issue with the Demons tanking to get him!!
Sounds like hangon007 is also saying that Scully is taking issue with Dee supporters being paranoid and negative about everything and also reacting towards him as if he has gone already to another club.
Then there's Schwarz apparently claiming Scully has a HOA from GWS where they are offering him $5 million over 4 years. The poor Dee supporters are doing their head in over this lol.
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I love the Tigers but lets be honest, we haven't got the aggets to get a deal like this done! Not an insult just a fact imo.
We will just have to continue to cross our fingers and hope for the best! :pray
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errr why was my post molested? what law have I transgressed? there was nothing sordid in that at all...Gerks had a picture of a woman getting milk poured on her head while an alien watched, in a shower, all fully clothed. I poo you not, nothing rude about it, just a bit surreal.
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errr why was my post molested? what law have I transgressed? there was nothing sordid in that at all...Gerks had a picture of a woman getting milk poured on her head while an alien watched, in a shower, all fully clothed. I poo you not, nothing rude about it, just a bit surreal.
because i posted the sequel :lol
i'll have to pm it to you old sock
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GWS tables $1 million per year over 5 years offer for Tom Scully
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-tables-1m-offer-for-tom-scully/story-e6frf9jf-1226092665707
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poofter
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sissyter
wot?
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sissyter
wot?
Look at the time it was posted '65, that might help explain something why you can't understand it!
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sissyter
wot?
Look at the time it was posted '65, that might help explain something why you can't understand it!
You're right, Ox was obviously at the end of a long session.
:cheers
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errr why was my post molested? what law have I transgressed? there was nothing sordid in that at all...Gerks had a picture of a woman getting milk poured on her head while an alien watched, in a shower, all fully clothed. I poo you not, nothing rude about it, just a bit surreal.
errr why was my post molested? what law have I transgressed? there was nothing sordid in that at all...Gerks had a picture of a woman getting milk poured on her head while an alien watched, in a shower, all fully clothed. I poo you not, nothing rude about it, just a bit surreal.
because i posted the sequel :lol
i'll have to pm it to you old sock
What the stuff is going on >:(
How did I miss this? LMFAO @ Owl returning and dragging SaladFingers trustworthy name through the mud. You sick sons of bunnies :banghead
The big Scullydawg is as gawn as Gus
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This was on the 'Team of the Round' chat today...
Comment From MadMike
Any chance the big story is GWS have offered Relton Roberts $37 million over 5 years?
:lol
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Well Mike reckons Scully is as good as gone ...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tom-scully-as-good-as-gone/story-e6frf9jf-1226098658551
They're blaming Scully's dissatisfaction with Melbourne's administration and claiming Scully has told a "confidant" he's a 70-30 chance of heading north.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/rift-with-dees-top-brass-may-force-tom-scully-to-take-the-money-and-run/story-e6frf9jf-1226098679151
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This was on the 'Team of the Round' chat today...
Comment From MadMike
Any chance the big story is GWS have offered Relton Roberts $37 million over 5 years?
:lol
37 million hamburgers more like it
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Doc Larkins on MMM said Tom Scully's knee ailment could cause problems throughout his career.
Damian Barrett's twitter
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sounds like a concerted effort to dissuade suitors
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Scully ringing his manager today - "Get me out of here!" ;D
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Caro claimed today Scully will stay at Melbourne if Cameron Schwab gets the flick as CEO. Scully wasn't happy with the organization and length of their team trip to China over summer with many at the club including players treating it as a junket. Scully considered it all unprofessional.
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Caro claimed today Scully will stay at Melbourne if Cameron Schwab gets the flick as CEO. Scully wasn't happy with the organization and length of their team trip to China over summer with many at the club including players treating it as a junket. Scully considered it all unprofessional.
I find it hard to believe a 18 year old kid can question a professionalism of a football club. What is he comparing it too, high school?
The whole mystery why Scully may leave is stupid. Fact is no1 can turn down +1million a year, especially when you've only been at your previous job 12 months, can't be that attached.
I don't think there would be a job in the world that I wouldn't do for 1million a year.
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Caro claimed today Scully will stay at Melbourne if Cameron Schwab gets the flick as CEO. Scully wasn't happy with the organization and length of their team trip to China over summer with many at the club including players treating it as a junket. Scully considered it all unprofessional.
I find it hard to believe a 18 year old kid can question a professionalism of a football club. What is he comparing it too, high school?
The whole mystery why Scully may leave is stupid. Fact is no1 can turn down +1million a year, especially when you've only been at your previous job 12 months, can't be that attached.
I don't think there would be a job in the world that I wouldn't do for 1million a year.
I agree with Pope, who is Scully questioning a football club,??? at the ripe old age of 18 ::)
Dont get ahead of yourself now son :o :o :o
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I agree with Pope, who is Scully questioning a football club,??? at the ripe old age of 18 ::)
Dont get ahead of yourself now son :o :o :o
If it means C Schwab is out of a job ..... I say you go for it son ;D
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I don't believe Scully would only stay if the club flicked there CEO.
Surely Scully only has 2 things to consider. Money(due to knee injury is it career harming or just a rough year) and Where(demons or GWS/elsewhere) he can get the best out of him self.
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I don't believe Scully would only stay if the club flicked there CEO.
Surely Scully only has 2 things to consider. Money(due to knee injury is it career harming or just a rough year) and Where(demons or GWS/elsewhere) he can get the best out of him self.
Yeah exactly right.
there are only 2 factors as you said:
- Money
- Success
He can get twice as much money at Melbourne and after this year and next to nil improvement you can argue he would have a better chance at success at GWS.
Its an easy decision for mine. He can't be overly attached to Melbourne, especially when you compare someone like Gary Ablett left Geelong.
Easy decision for mine. West Sydney isn't that bad either, nice quiet lifestyle earning 1.5mil a year and playing some footy inbetween with little to no expectations of performing for probably 2 seasons.
What a life.
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I hope he stays at Melbourne now hes knees dont look like theyll hold up to league football long term.
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did they ever?
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Would agree here.
Could set up a nice pad on the North Shore and go to training against the traffic too.
No where near as bad as people make out.
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What a hoot it would be staying at Melbourne for half the cash and to lose by 30 goals.
They would want to pull a hairy rabbit out of their hat for their next coach.
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Caro claimed today Scully will stay at Melbourne if Cameron Schwab gets the flick as CEO. Scully wasn't happy with the organization and length of their team trip to China over summer with many at the club including players treating it as a junket. Scully considered it all unprofessional.
Bye bye Scully then!!! :lol
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Yep Schwab was offered a one year contract extension.
Looks like the bottom line was Schwab or Bailey and Schwab got the chocolates.
The Dees know he is gone already. :lol :rollin :lol
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Caro claimed today Scully will stay at Melbourne if Cameron Schwab gets the flick as CEO. Scully wasn't happy with the organization and length of their team trip to China over summer with many at the club including players treating it as a junket. Scully considered it all unprofessional.
Bye bye Scully then!!! :lol
There's no doubt Scully is gone.
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Caro claimed today Scully will stay at Melbourne if Cameron Schwab gets the flick as CEO. Scully wasn't happy with the organization and length of their team trip to China over summer with many at the club including players treating it as a junket. Scully considered it all unprofessional.
I find it hard to believe a 18 year old kid can question a professionalism of a football club. What is he comparing it too, high school?
The whole mystery why Scully may leave is stupid. Fact is no1 can turn down +1million a year, especially when you've only been at your previous job 12 months, can't be that attached.
I don't think there would be a job in the world that I wouldn't do for 1million a year.
I agree with Pope, who is Scully questioning a football club,??? at the ripe old age of 18 ::)
Dont get ahead of yourself now son :o :o :o
Not sure if your comments are tongue in cheek but if this true he sounds like an outstanding young man and a leader in waiting. Age sould not be a factor! If he was 22 would it make it ok? IMO it just shows how mature this kid is and how big his balls are. Pitty we haven't got many like him. Melbourne are a rabble and i would want out of there too!
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Not sure if your comments are tongue in cheek but if this true he sounds like an outstanding young man and a leader in waiting. Age sould not be a factor! If he was 22 would it make it ok? IMO it just shows how mature this kid is and how big his balls are. Pitty we haven't got many like him. Melbourne are a rabble and i would want out of there too!
True words BT. Funny though, how many slam Campbell for very similar actions when he was playing.
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I was talking today to a bloke who's son plays for GWS and he said that Scully has definately signed along with a Collingwood player. He stated that the Collingwood player was not a big name and when i asked if he played in last years flag he said no.
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...with a Collingwood player. He stated that the Collingwood player was not a big name and when i asked if he played in last years flag he said no.
I bet Eddie will still want a couple of first rounders for him.
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...with a Collingwood player. He stated that the Collingwood player was not a big name and when i asked if he played in last years flag he said no.
I bet Eddie will still want a couple of first rounders for him.
And will accuse them of cheating! Nice comeback from from Sheeds earlier in the week!
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bah Sheedy should of been into them bastards as payback for the 80s
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Is this any chance???...
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Not with his current injury record. He's a massive risk IMHO and not worth the money or the cost that would need to be paid.
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Not with his current injury record. He's a massive risk IMHO and not worth the money or the cost that would need to be paid.
but is he really injured??
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he's been in dreadful form...I noticed against us, he didnt join his teammates to celebrate after a goal...the worry with TS is he's a bit like ellis, that is, he gets 25 kicks a game that total 120metres of yardage...err, that's not exactly useful :shh
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he's been in dreadful form...I noticed against us, he didnt join his teammates to celebrate after a goal...the worry with TS is he's a bit like ellis, that is, he gets 25 kicks a game that total 120metres of yardage...err, that's not exactly useful :shh
he does not wanna be there its plain obvious, he is much bette rthan he is showing mark my words
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he's been in dreadful form...I noticed against us, he didnt join his teammates to celebrate after a goal...the worry with TS is he's a bit like ellis, that is, he gets 25 kicks a game that total 120metres of yardage...err, that's not exactly useful :shh
He's gone. Just a matter of where.
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If there was any justice, he would be coming to tigerland lol Anyway, half his luck if he gets a squillion playing for some weird team in the middle of the ghettos of Sydnos. As long as Melbourne don't get anything too good for him.
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only a idiot would start this thread lol ;D
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Well Mike is saying it is official
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TOM Scully will announce his intention to join Greater Western Sydney at a media conference in Sydney today.
The Melbourne midfielder is believed to have agreed to an offer for the next six years for an estimated $6 million.
Scully, 20, and his family flew to Sydney yesterday for the announcement.
Melbourne officials were to be advised of the move this morning.
The 2009 No.1 draft pick has been GWS's primary recruiting target for several months.
He had an injury-interrupted 2011, starting late with a knee problem and finishing a week early.
Melbourne will receive compensation in the draft, probably a first-round selection and a second pick later in the draft.
Full article: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tom-scully-signs-with-greater-western-sydney/story-fn69a32t-1226134024795
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Melbourne have ruined the surprise via Twitter confirming he is going. ;D
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Makes for an interesting Demon vs GWS game next year. I wonder if AFL will schedule it in round 1.
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6-year contract :gobdrop.
His knee better come good.
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6-year contract :gobdrop.
His knee better come good.
How early can he leave them if hes on a 6 year deal?
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6-year contract :gobdrop.
His knee better come good.
His spoken pretty well so far in the press conference.
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Don't know why Kevin is talking about american football and how they sign onto teams after college.
He obviously doesn't understand the pressure they go through with deciding what college to sign to.
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Makes for an interesting Demon vs GWS game next year. I wonder if AFL will schedule it in round 1.
Bitch fight!!! :lol
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ahh well, too much cash to say no. Right whack for those tanking wankers, they better not get two picks out of it either, they deserve nothing...
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How early can he leave them if hes on a 6 year deal?
No idea Mrakov. Scully just said he signed a 6 year contract. We'll have to wait until he's 26 before he becomes a Tiger ;D.
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LOL think that hope just got bashed on the head. He has sold his soul to the Afl devil now mate, but for those kinda cookies who wouldn't, he will be set up for life as long as he doesn't go blowing it on hookers and beer. Now he just needs to buy a big faux Georgian in the west up there with some big a rsed bikie compound gates at the front of it with razor wire and he is set.
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Need to rename the thread 'Tom Scully to Richmond in another 6 years' :rollin
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Now he just needs to buy a big faux Georgian in the west up there with some big a rsed bikie compound gates at the front of it with razor wire and he is set.
Same set up as your crib Owl :whistle :whistle
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Need to rename the thread 'Tom Scully to Richmond in another 6 years' :rollin
From my post onwards, it shall be. ;)
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The look on Garry Lyon's face on Footy Classified tonight should be priceless.
Good to see Melbourne supporters on the Demonology forum have taken the news of Scully leaving well :lol
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc60/benmccallum/scully.jpg)
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one can understand abblet leaving and getting what he is being paid, but scully wtf
karma will screw him and gws
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haha yes karma will bite
So glad melbourne took him in the draft and not us :thumbsup
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Being paid something like $6m over 6 years with $2m upfront in the first year of a frontloaded contract might have had something to do with Scully going to GWS :yep. The instability off-field at Melbourne would've also been a major factor. Scully would've seen first-hand former captain James MacDonald get pushed out and the infighting between the CEO, footy dept. head and the rest of the footy dept. He was a Tiger supporter so he had no entrenched love of the Dees nor as a 18 year old would he have any connection with Barassi or guernsey #31. Scully would've been about 4 years old the last time Barassi was still involved in football at the Swans. It would've been harder for Ablett to leave Geelong from that perspective than Scully leaving Melbourne after just two years there. Scully knows he heads to GWS where he can be part of creating a new culture and with the AFL given them unlimited $$$, concessions and resources to make GWS a success. In 5 years time there's no guarantee Melbourne will still be financially solvent.
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haha yes karma will bite
So glad melbourne took him in the draft and not us :thumbsup
Having been a lifelong TIGER fan, Id go as far as saying he would have re-signed with us had he been drafted by RFC
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When he's contract is finished or as a free agent I could see him returning home to Melbourne (the city) and joining us. Ramps will personally welcome him and pick him up at Tullamarine lol.
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Hilarious youtube video taking off the song "someone like me" about Tom. Worth a look see....
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2 things on this one:-
Sucked in MFC for tanking in 2009, at the time it cost us, now it cost you.
Tom Scully did himself no favors pretending his visit to GWS last week to tour the facilities was to "make up his mind" - Phil Davis and to a lesser extent Rhys Palmer and Callum Ward at least showed their hand without treating the punter like fools by playing games.
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check out hitler in the gws bunker lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cLjGxlZdsc
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check out hitler in the gws bunker lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cLjGxlZdsc
lol.... :lol :lol
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check out hitler in the gws bunker lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cLjGxlZdsc
the bit on Rhys Palmer is gold!
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smut and filth >:(
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Something needs to be done about this. :banghead
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When he's contract is finished or as a free agent I could see him returning home to Melbourne (the city) and joining us. Ramps will personally welcome him and pick him up at Tullamarine lol.
You pick him up, I'll be busy on that day and remember if his knees are shot and he cant play - drop him off across the road to the westpac centre and tell him weve moved facilities let the pies cop it instead, on the other hand MT if hes become a champion and hes not injury prone just mozie on down to Punt Road were the tiger throng will be painting him his own parking space in the Punt Rd car park ;D
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Hilarious youtube video taking off the song "someone like me" about Tom. Worth a look see....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFGGD_d9GnQ
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According to Caro on 3aw tonight, Gary March, when there was talk GWS was targetting Dustin Martin, wanted to team up with Melbourne to head a two prong attack to prevent GWS from going after existing clubs' young players as that was not what the uncontracted player rule was designed for. Apparently Cameron Schwab knocked the idea on the head and of course the rest is history - Dusty stayed loyal while Scully headed north.
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According to Caro on 3aw tonight, Gary March, when there was talk GWS was targetting Dustin Martin, wanted to team up with Melbourne to head a two prong attack to prevent GWS from going after existing clubs' young players as that was not what the uncontracted player rule was designed for. Apparently Cameron Schwab knocked the idea on the head and of course the rest is history - Dusty stayed loyal while Scully headed north.
haha if thats true then its even more egg on the face of the demons over losing Scully.
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Yeah, glad we don't invite this karma into our club by tanking. Suck it Melbourne, your reap what you sow.
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amen
:cheers
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Except now the tankers are getting 2 top draft picks for him...wot the actual Eff....as Davey would say. They just make this crap up as they go along surely.
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I recall schwab publicly rejecting RFC statement at the time that the rules were wrong to support the poaching of young players...he went as far as saying he supported the AFL govering rules.... :wallywink
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Except now the tankers are getting 2 top draft picks for him...wot the actual Eff....as Davey would say. They just make this crap up as they go along surely.
Haha :lol glad you remember my quotes. you're coming back to us old boy...after many months of acting like a grumpy old eff ;D
I hope Tom gets 40 disposals against the Dees next year
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But seriously, they cheated to get that PP now they get two more for their ill gotten pick, share my stuffing outrage you pack of reprobates.
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But seriously, they cheated to get that PP now they get two more for their ill gotten pick, share my stuffing outrage you pack of reprobates.
Meh 2 mid first rounders. Last time they had that they got Dunn and Bate. Come on Deeeeeeeeeess ;D
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According to Caro on 3aw tonight, Gary March, when there was talk GWS was targetting Dustin Martin, wanted to team up with Melbourne to head a two prong attack to prevent GWS from going after existing clubs' young players as that was not what the uncontracted player rule was designed for. Apparently Cameron Schwab knocked the idea on the head and of course the rest is history - Dusty stayed loyal while Scully headed north.
Here is the article http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=11309.msg191119#msg191119
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Talk is that the Dee's will use one of these picks plus a player/this years first round pick to get O'Mera (sp?), in the 17 year GWS draft. The Gold Coast will apparentely offer their first pick (No. 4) from this year so they would need to offer something such as this to win the bidding war. :-\
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this win for the Dees cant be underestimated.
I cant believe the AFl and these decision makers allowed this to happen but then again why doesnt it surprise me.
I hope GC trump the Dees offer forcing them to select duds like Morton and Davey
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For a moment I thought Karma bit their arse, but the cheaters win again - well done afl