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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 16, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
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With our young list who are our best chances in the 2010 Rising Star Award?
Every round, an Australian Football League rising star nomination is given to a standout young player. To be eligible for the award, a player must be under 21 on January 1 of that year, have played 10 or fewer senior games before the beginning of the season, and not have been suspended during the season.
Eligible Tigers
Collins 10 games
Connors 10
Vickery 9
Post 7
Farmer 3
Browne 1
Martin
Griffiths
Astbury
Dea
Taylor
Nason
Grimes
Gilligan#
Gourdis#
Contin#
Hicks#
Westhoff#
# - rookies
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Martin is now favourite with the bookies to win this year's rising star
Dustin Martin 5.50
Tom Scully 8.00
Jack Ziebell 8.00
Michael Hurley 10.00
Nicholas Naitanui 10.00
Jack Trengove 12.00
Anthony Morabito 21.00
Other Tigers
Tyrone Vickery 67.00
Troy Taylor 81.00
Jayden Post 101.00
Benjamin Griffiths 151.00
Ben Nason 151.00
Alroy Gilligan 151.00
David Gourdis 151.00
Matthew Dea 251.00
Jeromey Webberley 251.00
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/sports/event/SportID/4/CompetitionPID/22727/RoundPID/433/EventID/1068255
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As much as I want Martin to win it, Trengove is good value.
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No market framed on collins - could be real good value
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No market framed on collins - could be real good value
I think he's too old al.
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yeah, your right DOB 17/11/88 so is now 21... yet they have Webberly in the betting and he is older by 4 months. ???
Do you have to be under 21, or 21 and under?
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yeah, your right DOB 17/11/88 so is now 21... yet they have Webberly in the betting and he is older by 4 months. ???
Do you have to be under 21, or 21 and under?
To be eligible for the award, a player must be under 21 on January 1 of that year, have played 10 or fewer senior games before the beginning of the season, and not have been suspended during the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Rising_Star
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Rising Tiger
PUNTERS have plunged on Richmond recruit Dustin Martin to be the 2010 NAB Rising Star, backing him from $9 into $5.50 favourite with sportsbet.com.au.
"He has easily been the most popular player with punters and a big firmer in the betting," Phil Hannah said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/no-risk-policy/story-e6frf9if-1225829343349
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After last night's game Naitanui has jumped to Rising Star favouritism pushing Martin in second spot.
Naitanui $4.25
Martin $6.50
Scully $9.00
Trengove $9.00
Ziebell $9.00
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/sports/event/SportID/4/CompetitionPID/22727/RoundPID/433/EventID/1068255
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Latest rising star odds
Naitanui, Nick (West Coast) 3.50
Martin, Dustin (Richmond) 5.50
Trengove, Jack (Melbourne) 7.00
Ziebell, Jack (North Melb) 7.50
Scully, Tom (Melbourne) 13
Hurley, Michael (Essendon) 14
Morabito, Anthony (Fremantle) 17
Taylor, Troy (Richmond) 81
Vickery, Tyrone (Richmond) 81
https://www.luxbet.com/index.php?cPath=2524&event_id=ALL&market_type_id=-&rd=1267633016#go_
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Rising stars excite early in AFL careers
* Jon Ralph
* From: Herald Sun
* March 11, 2010
THE probable Round 1 debuts of November's top four draft picks will make the 2010 AFL Rising Star field the most competitive ever.
Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Dustin Martin and Anthony Morabito will join eligible 2009 debutants Michael Hurley (Essendon), Nic Naitanui (West Coast) and Jack Ziebell (North Melbourne) in a superb line-up.
Melbourne pair Scully and Trengove are certain to play in Round 1 if they come through the club's last pre-season hitout against the Eagles.
Richmond No. 3 selection Martin will play against Carlton in the season opener after his fantastic pre-season and Fremantle's Morabito played his best game of the NAB Cup campaign last week against St Kilda. The No. 5 pick, Ben Cunnington (North Melbourne), has been slowed by a foot hot spot.
If the first four make their debuts in Round 1 they will match the top four draftees of 1997 - Travis Johnstone, Brad Ottens, Trent Croad and Mark Bolton.
Sportingbet's Bill Richmond said yesterday that interest in the Rising Star contest was extraordinary.
"It looks a very exciting crop of players," he said. "Normally betting doesn't heat up until Round 2 or 3, but there has been unprecedented interest.
"As soon as someone shows something, people jump on board. When Naitanui played that amazing game (against Essendon) in the NAB Cup we had a wave of bets for him."
Favourite Naitanui has shortened from $7 into $4 after a sensational pre-season, but the value still looks to be Hurley, who firmed from $17 into $13 despite a club suspension for the first three rounds.
Naitanui, Hurley and Ziebell are eligible after playing only 10 games each last year, with 11 first-year games making a player ineligible for the award.
While last year's top 10 draftees could be the best on record, Jack Watts (Melbourne), Naitanui, Hamish Hartlett (Port Adelaide), Hurley and Chris Yarran (Carlton) all took time to make their senior debuts.
Gary Rohan (Sydney, pick six), Lewis Jetta (Sydney, 14), David Astbury (Richmond, 35), Jordan Gysberts (Melbourne, 11) and Jake Melksham (Essendon, 10) also are likely to make their debuts early in the season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/rising-stars-excite-early-in-afl-careers/story-e6frf9ix-1225839332708
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TIGER TO TRACK
Matthew Lloyd in today's Age
YOUNG LION DUSTIN Martin will take out the NAB Rising Star. Lock it in — so long as injury permits him to play 22 games. Like young Lion Daniel Rich last year, this young Tiger has the maturity and strong body type to play in the middle and will be a standout with his penetrating, precise disposal on both sides of the body. He holds records at the draft camp for speed and agility, couple that with his hardness and he has it all.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/the-main-game-20100314-q5pu.html
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TIGER TO TRACK
Matthew Lloyd in today's Age
YOUNG LION DUSTIN Martin will take out the NAB Rising Star. Lock it in — so long as injury permits him to play 22 games. Like young Lion Daniel Rich last year, this young Tiger has the maturity and strong body type to play in the middle and will be a standout with his penetrating, precise disposal on both sides of the body. He holds records at the draft camp for speed and agility, couple that with his hardness and he has it all.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/the-main-game-20100314-q5pu.html
Would think Llloyd is on the money.'
Martin is a gun , who plays beyond his age , a great pick up
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TIGER TO TRACK
Matthew Lloyd in today's Age
YOUNG LION DUSTIN Martin will take out the NAB Rising Star. Lock it in — so long as injury permits him to play 22 games. Like young Lion Daniel Rich last year, this young Tiger has the maturity and strong body type to play in the middle and will be a standout with his penetrating, precise disposal on both sides of the body. He holds records at the draft camp for speed and agility, couple that with his hardness and he has it all.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/the-main-game-20100314-q5pu.html
Would think Llloyd is on the money.'
Martin is a gun , who plays beyond his age , a great pick up
Good to hear something positive.
:thumbsup
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altough Martin is a tiger , not a lion,
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altough Martin is a tiger , not a lion,
;D Lloydy.
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This years rising star award is of interest.
Is it true that Martin cannot win it ?
Reason being that his suspension had points of over 100 which makes him ineligible.
Early plea brings in back to under 100 so he can play tomorrow.
Although the points still stand in regards to the Rising Star ?
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Good pickup Jack, like you I am totally peed off with the RFC for allowing this to happen.
Incompetence at the highest level by the RFC, the gameplan and kick ins were an absolute disgrace and have led to this farcical situation where Martin cant win the rising star.
Someone needs to make those at the top in the RFC totally accountable for this disgrace, the nuffers.
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It wouldn't matter anyway, there are to many commentators masturbating over Nic Nat from the eagles that they wouldn't be able to see anybody else other than him anyway.
Martin's my rising star.
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Good pickup Jack, like you I am totally peed off with the RFC for allowing this to happen.
Incompetence at the highest level by the RFC, the gameplan and kick ins were an absolute disgrace and have led to this farcical situation where Martin cant win the rising star.
Someone needs to make those at the top in the RFC totally accountable for this disgrace, the nuffers.
Sorry, but I don't agree with this at all.
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Good pickup Jack, like you I am totally peed off with the RFC for allowing this to happen.
Incompetence at the highest level by the RFC, the gameplan and kick ins were an absolute disgrace and have led to this farcical situation where Martin cant win the rising star.
Someone needs to make those at the top in the RFC totally accountable for this disgrace, the nuffers.
Sorry, but I don't agree with this at all.
But they let him play, what a bunch of incompetents, Jack is right Wallace is to blame and Hardwick's a nuffer. It's a plain as and someone at the RFC needs to be held accountable for Martin being in this predicament.
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Who cares about individual awards? It's a team game.
go Tigers!
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Who cares about individual awards? It's a team game.
go Tigers!
spot on
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Good pickup Jack, like you I am totally peed off with the RFC for allowing this to happen.
Incompetence at the highest level by the RFC, the gameplan and kick ins were an absolute disgrace and have led to this farcical situation where Martin cant win the rising star.
Someone needs to make those at the top in the RFC totally accountable for this disgrace, the nuffers.
:ROTFL
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Good pickup Jack, like you I am totally peed off with the RFC for allowing this to happen.
Incompetence at the highest level by the RFC, the gameplan and kick ins were an absolute disgrace and have led to this farcical situation where Martin cant win the rising star.
Someone needs to make those at the top in the RFC totally accountable for this disgrace, the nuffers.
you are a d/head mate.
I am being serious and your just an imbecile :banghead
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Who gives a stuff about the RSA?
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This is a most bizarre thread. :o
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Doesn't matter to Martin and doesn't matter to me.
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Okay he can't win it the Rising Star Award but now we've won a game surely it's time Dusty was at least finally nominated. Sheesh what else does he have to do - 17 possies, 15 contested and 10 clearances. They're not token first year stats, that's sheer quality.
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The bloke from Melbourne who got 26 on debut is a chance this week :banghead
Gysberts or whatever
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Okay he can't win it the Rising Star Award but now we've won a game surely it's time Dusty was at least finally nominated. Sheesh what else does he have to do - 17 possies, 15 contested and 10 clearances. They're not token first year stats, that's sheer quality.
I agree MT, even in first year he has outshone the likes natanui imo! His season has been similar to D.Rich last season minus the wins!
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The bloke from Melbourne who got 26 on debut is a chance this week :banghead
Gysberts or whatever
Yeah it wouldn't be surprising if Gysberts gets nominated this week despite the Dees being pumped but Martin has been been producing AFL midfielder stats for 10 rounds not just one week and was one of the key players in our win today.
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I couldn't care less.
If I was coach I would publicly say that I didn't want any of my first year players being nominated for the rising star. It's not an individual game and to hammer home the message that it is a team game in year on is paramount. Martin is doing great for us and the respect of his teammates and the supporters should be all that matters.
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Would be no surprise at all
Maybe the MRP could find something to give him a week for, or Hardwickwick's assault charges will see him in adelaide lock up until October, not that I'm jaded at all
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As far as I'm concerned right now if Dustin got no nomination for the year that would suit me fine.
In 3-4 years when Martin will be killing it week in and week out in a much stronger unit hopefully pushing for
finals and much more greater honours it will show what a farce some of these nominations actually are that a
kid who got taken at 3 and had an extremely consistent season couldn't get one yet as soon as Natanui,
Trengove, Scully and others from more favourably media supported clubs get all the attention. I would love to
see Dustin remind them then. Will add another mystique to the kid's reputation. :thumbsup
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Cuz said he's as good as juddy was at that age
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As far as I'm concerned right now if Dustin got no nomination for the year that would suit me fine.
In 3-4 years when Martin will be killing it week in and week out in a much stronger unit hopefully pushing for
finals and much more greater honours it will show what a farce some of these nominations actually are that a
kid who got taken at 3 and had an extremely consistent season couldn't get one yet as soon as Natanui,
Trengove, Scully and others from more favourably media supported clubs get all the attention. I would love to
see Dustin remind them then. Will add another mystique to the kid's reputation. :thumbsup
Yep, agree Tucker. And I doubt that he will get a nomination given that he is ineligible to win it - not that it should matter but I just reckon it might.
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Cuz said he's as good as juddy was at that age
love to see some stats cos i agree, he is even better at that age than ablett and selwood
and he kicks the ball on his left better than selwood judd and ablett combined
martin will become the no1 mid/onballer in the country and he is a unit, breaks away from tackles ala voss and he is only 18
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Cuz said he's as good as juddy was at that age
love to see some stats cos i agree, he is even better at that age than ablett and selwood
and he kicks the ball on his left better than selwood judd and ablett combined
martin will become the no1 mid/onballer in the country and he is a unit, breaks away from tackles ala voss and he is only 18
That's what I am seeing too X.
I'm getting excited about having Deledio, Cotchin, Foley and him there in the middle. It might rarely happen that they are all there together, but they all offer something different that will be elite by league standards. Cotchin just great hands and footy smarts, Martin tough as nails, Deledio's skill level. We just need Foley to really become that Luke Ball of old style terrier around the stoppages and up his tackle count by one or two a game and Tambling to kick on (pressure is off him a little now) and we'll have a fantastic on-ball rotation unit.
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Cuz said he's as good as juddy was at that age
love to see some stats cos i agree, he is even better at that age than ablett and selwood
and he kicks the ball on his left better than selwood judd and ablett combined
martin will become the no1 mid/onballer in the country and he is a unit, breaks away from tackles ala voss and he is only 18
Cotchin = Ablett
Martin = Riccito/Buckley
Deledio = Kouta
Riewoldt = Lance Whitnal ;D
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As far as I'm concerned right now if Dustin got no nomination for the year that would suit me fine.
In 3-4 years when Martin will be killing it week in and week out in a much stronger unit hopefully pushing for
finals and much more greater honours it will show what a farce some of these nominations actually are that a
kid who got taken at 3 and had an extremely consistent season couldn't get one yet as soon as Natanui,
Trengove, Scully and others from more favourably media supported clubs get all the attention. I would love to
see Dustin remind them then. Will add another mystique to the kid's reputation. :thumbsup
Yep, agree Tucker. And I doubt that he will get a nomination given that he is ineligible to win it - not that it should matter but I just reckon it might.
I heard the other day he was still eligible and he was third favourite. Anyone know for sure?
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I saw the market the other day for the Rising Star and he was listed at $6.
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I thought his report earlier in the season disqualified him, even though he pleaded guilty and took the reduction that meant he didn't miss a game. I might be wrong - anyone know how this one plays out? All I could find on the AFL site was this:
To qualify for the NAB AFL Rising Star nomination, a player must be under 21 years of age as at January 1 of that year, must not have played more than 10 games to the start of that season and must not have been suspended by the AFL or State League tribunals during the season.
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I thought his report earlier in the season disqualified him, even though he pleaded guilty and took the reduction that meant he didn't miss a game. I might be wrong - anyone know how this one plays out? All I could find on the AFL site was this:
To qualify for the NAB AFL Rising Star nomination, a player must be under 21 years of age as at January 1 of that year, must not have played more than 10 games to the start of that season and must not have been suspended by the AFL or State League tribunals during the season.
I think we went through this a while back and you were right then Smokey, as long as the Brownlow and Rising star use the same rules.
The AFL rule is that it is the initial points and if they are > 100 that is the issue, not what the resulting points based on an early plea or a players past record.
This works both ways - i.e. if a players with a good record gets charged with a 125 point offence and in consideration of past record and an early plea it is reduced to 93.75 he is not eligible.
Hypothetically, if a player with a poor record does something minor < 100 points and still gets suspended, they are eligible.
IIRC Goodes in 2007 got a 125 point offence down to 93.75 but was ineligible for the Brownlow
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going by that smokey he is eligible. He was not suspended. You'd hope the AFL could get right their own site.
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he is not eligible, but who cares
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he is not eligible, but who cares
Absolutely
Actually it is probably a good thing he can't win.
He'd win in a landslide and we can't have a RFC player doing something like that could we :whistle :whistle ;D ;D
:gotigers
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he is not eligible, but who cares
Absolutely
Actually it is probably a good thing he can't win.
He'd win in a landslide and we can't have a RFC player doing something like that could we :whistle :whistle ;D ;D
:gotigers
Normally I'd agree with these sentiments, as the AFL and the media would begrudge us even winning a chook-raffle. Except Brett Deledio won the Rising Star by a landslide in 2005. Also, there's another unsung hero in our team this year who I reckon is long overdue for a gong - little Benny Nason.
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Cuz said he's as good as juddy was at that age
love to see some stats cos i agree, he is even better at that age than ablett and selwood
and he kicks the ball on his left better than selwood judd and ablett combined
martin will become the no1 mid/onballer in the country and he is a unit, breaks away from tackles ala voss and he is only 18
That's what I am seeing too X.
I'm getting excited about having Deledio, Cotchin, Foley and him there in the middle. It might rarely happen that they are all there together, but they all offer something different that will be elite by league standards. Cotchin just great hands and footy smarts, Martin tough as nails, Deledio's skill level. We just need Foley to really become that Luke Ball of old style terrier around the stoppages and up his tackle count by one or two a game and Tambling to kick on (pressure is off him a little now) and we'll have a fantastic on-ball rotation unit.
Add in another quality midfielder such Gaff and the ever improving White and we will have a midfield to destroy other teams onball devision! With Connors back in the team hopefully that will allow Lids to play off the wing where his footskills can be best utilized. Just need Griffiths, Astbury and Taylor to step up in the forwardline (though Astbury could become a backman if Post doesn't come on) and Vickery/Browne to show the type of improvements that Gus has and we will be getting horse from continuously singing our song! :gotigers
Martin deserves the rising star but the selectors only look at the possession count and Martin doesn't get many cheap/uncontested possessions to boast up his stats so he won't receive a nomination until after midyear IMHO....
Stripes
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Add in another quality midfielder such Gaff and the ever improving White and we will have a midfield to destroy other teams onball devision! With Connors back in the team hopefully that will allow Lids to play off the wing where his footskills can be best utilized. Just need Griffiths, Astbury and Taylor to step up in the forwardline (though Astbury could become a backman if Post doesn't come on) and Vickery/Browne to show the type of improvements that Gus has and we will be getting horse from continuously singing our song! :gotigers
Martin deserves the rising star but the selectors only look at the possession count and Martin doesn't get many cheap/uncontested possessions to boast up his stats so he won't receive a nomination until after midyear IMHO....
Stripes
I really like young Webberley (haven't watched the full Port game yet though) too. Seems very composed with the ball and normally hits the right option, will play off HB and free Deledio up to go on ball. Another win from the draft.
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KB just talking to Chris Newman.
Said Dustin Martin, can't win the Rising Star, but can be nominated, which he has been.
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KB just talking to Chris Newman.
Said Dustin Martin, can't win the Rising Star, but can be nominated, which he has been.
WEll that's not right.
http://www.afl.com.au/development/nabaflrisingstarsprogram/nabaflrisingstar/2010nabrisingstar/tabid/15967/default.aspx
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KB just talking to Chris Newman.
Said Dustin Martin, can't win the Rising Star, but can be nominated, which he has been.
WEll that's not right.
http://www.afl.com.au/development/nabaflrisingstarsprogram/nabaflrisingstar/2010nabrisingstar/tabid/15967/default.aspx
Unless he is getting nominated today? ???
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KB just talking to Chris Newman.
Said Dustin Martin, can't win the Rising Star, but can be nominated, which he has been.
WEll that's not right.
http://www.afl.com.au/development/nabaflrisingstarsprogram/nabaflrisingstar/2010nabrisingstar/tabid/15967/default.aspx
Unless he is getting nominated today? ???
thats what i was thinking smokey
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KB just talking to Chris Newman.
Said Dustin Martin, can't win the Rising Star, but can be nominated, which he has been.
WEll that's not right.
http://www.afl.com.au/development/nabaflrisingstarsprogram/nabaflrisingstar/2010nabrisingstar/tabid/15967/default.aspx
Unless he is getting nominated today? ???
thats what i was thinking smokey
Is KB on the judging panel?
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No. 3 draft pick Dustin Martin at last will be named a Rising Star nominee today, despite being ineligible to win the award because of a match review panel reprimand. Source: Jon Ralph
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No. 3 draft pick Dustin Martin at last will be named a Rising Star nominee today, despite being ineligible to win the award because of a match review panel reprimand. Source: Jon Ralph
Good stuff :thumbsup
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Tiger cub a rising star
richmondfc.com.au
By Luke Holmesby
Tue 01 June, 2010
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/MartinRising_246a.jpg)
EVER since he was drafted, Dustin Martin has carried the weight of Richmond supporters as the Tigers’ great white hope.
While he is seen by many as one of few shining lights in what has otherwise been a dismal season at Punt Rd, the round 10 NAB AFL Rising Star nominee says he feels no pressure.
“I just do what my coaches are telling me to do," Martin said.
"I’ll keep playing my role for the team and the coaches, and that’s all I can do."
Martin has made an impressive start to his AFL career, and it might surprise some to learn that he has had to wait until almost halfway through the season to receive a nomination for the NAB AFL Rising Star award.
Despite the delay, Martin didn't feel he was entitled to a nomination.
“I wouldn’t say it was a big goal. I just wanted to play footy and do my bit for the team,” he said.
“I don’t think I’ve had a great game yet. They’ve all been just around the mark, nothing special. I’ve had a lot of clearances and that is something that I’ve wanted to do. I think I had 11 on the weekend, so I was pretty happy.”
Martin earned his nomination for his 21-possession performance in Saturday’s win over Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium. While the nomination highlights Martin’s individual efforts, he will remember the match as his first taste of victory at AFL level.
“It was awesome. I was so happy to have the first win. Hopefully we’ll have a few more this year. We go into every game knowing we can win. We knew it wasn’t far away,” he said.
“All the boys played (their) role. We played four quarters, which was the main thing. Each week there’s been a 15-minute period where we’ve switched off, and the opposition has got a jump on us.”
The Tigers had lost their first nine games of the season, but Martin says the mood around Punt Rd has been far from miserable.
“It’s been a really good feeling. We usually come in on a Monday, and if we’ve had a loss we tend to move on pretty quickly from it,” he said.
“It’s good to get the first one out of the way. We know we can win, and each week we will be going out there to win the game.
“Everyone’s on the same page. We’re all in it together and everyone’s the same.”
Taken with the third overall pick at the 2009 NAB AFL draft, Martin says the eventual NAB AFL Rising Star winner will probably come from one of the two players taken ahead of him, Melbourne duo Tom Scully and Jack Trengove.
“I think one of them will win it. I’ve watched a couple of their games here and there, (and) they are going really well.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/95401/default.aspx
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Here's video of Dusty ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/269543/rising-star-rd-10/
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Congrats to Dusty :clapping :bow. A shame he's been rubbed out just for a reprimand ::) otherwise he'd give the award a real shake.
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I reckon a few of our kids have deserved a nomination recently
Don't know who it was, but we missed out again this week >:(
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yes, Martin will poll most votes, but can not win it!
:banghead
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What is the game/age limit for the RSA.
If for example he got a niggle and they decided to rest him for 2-3 games would he still be eligible to win it next season?
Not that I want that to happen just a hypothetical question.
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What is the game/age limit for the RSA.
If for example he got a niggle and they decided to rest him for 2-3 games would he still be eligible to win it next season?
Not that I want that to happen just a hypothetical question.
Think it is 10 games, and he has played all of our apart from Geelong, so he won't be eligible.
Who cares about it anyway?
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What is the game/age limit for the RSA.
If for example he got a niggle and they decided to rest him for 2-3 games would he still be eligible to win it next season?
Not that I want that to happen just a hypothetical question.
Think it is 10 games, and he has played all of our apart from Geelong, so he won't be eligible.
Who cares about it anyway?
It was simple curiosity.
In the rules it states suspended, didn’t he take the early plea meaning he wasn’t suspended?
More curiosity Jake.
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Don't think Martin wouyld give a stinking turd about the rising star anyway
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What is the game/age limit for the RSA.
If for example he got a niggle and they decided to rest him for 2-3 games would he still be eligible to win it next season?
Not that I want that to happen just a hypothetical question.
Think it is 10 games, and he has played all of our apart from Geelong, so he won't be eligible.
Who cares about it anyway?
It was simple curiosity.
In the rules it states suspended, didn’t he take the early plea meaning he wasn’t suspended?
More curiosity Jake.
The NABRS works on the same rules as the Brownlow as far as I can tell.
This means if you are charged with something > 100 pts you are ineligible, no matter if you plead early and it gets reduced to 92.5 or whatever.
It also means that if someone with a bad record (e.g BBB Hall) got charged with something < 100 pts but in light of their bad record it got increased beyond 100pts they would be eligible.
I don't think there is a precedent for the latter case, where there is a precedent for the former in the Brownlow count a couple of seasons back (someone who was ineligible but didn't get suspended) I think it was Goodes in '08.
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Dusty won't even be getting any votes in the Rising Star Award because he was reprimanded (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//Themes/theme2/images/post/thumbdown.gif)
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As with Richmond's Dustin Martin, Grant is ineligible to win the award after accepting a reprimand for an offence that carried more than 100 base points.
But Martin was nominated in Round 10, after his reprimand. The junior club of each nominee receives a recognition and reward package of footballs and equipment.
Martin would be the favourite if he was eligible. He will still be invited to the award ceremony.
An AFL spokesman confirmed Martin would not be awarded any votes by the judges, unlike the Brownlow Medal where suspended players can tally votes.
Rising Star nominations are now prestigious, with Richmond coach Damian Hardwick last week pushing David Astbury's case.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dogs-angry-at-lack-of-recognition-for-young-gun-jarrad-grant/story-e6frf9jf-1225891358372
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Martin would be the favourite if he was eligible. He will still be invited to the award ceremony.
An AFL spokesman confirmed Martin would not be awarded any votes by the judges, unlike the Brownlow Medal where suspended players can tally votes.
I would be telling the AFL to shove their invitation up their quoit with the biggest, fattest rocket they could find. Can't be awarded votes - pffft - chicken sh1te award.
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An AFL spokesman confirmed Martin would not be awarded any votes by the judges, unlike the Brownlow Medal where suspended players can tally votes.
They don't want to be embarrassed. Dustin would win this award easily.
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Stuff the Rising Star, Dustin has more important things to worry about like writing his acceptance speech for the Brownlow he will be collecting within in the next few years. :thumbsup
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AFL must change rules for Rising Star Award
* Bruce Matthews
* From: Herald Sun
* July 28, 2010 5:27PM
IT'S time the AFL tinkered with the Rising Star Award fine print in the interests of the game, if not basic justice.
It's patently wrong that Richmond's Dustin Martin and now Western Bulldog Jarrad Grant are ineligible to win this season's prestigious award ... even though neither has been suspended.
This award celebrates the elite talent in our game and the panel of judges must overlook Martin, who has missed only one game with the Tigers, and Grant, who has pushed into a top-four team.
Both were cited by the match review panel for low-level offences - Martin for an illegal bump on Sydney's Josh Kennedy in Round 3 and Grant for what was effectively a block on unsuspecting Magpie Ben Reid in Round 11.
Martin accepted a reprimand while Grant is one of only two players to succeed at the tribunal this season when he had a two-games penalty downgraded to a reprimand.
Even the league's own Rising Star rules state that players found guilty and fined or reprimanded remain eligible to win the award.
But the technicality is that the base demerit points for each of these nominee's offences was 125, above the dreaded 100 that equates to a suspension unless you plead guilty and access the 25 per cent discount.
Yes, apply those stringent conditions to the Brownlow Medal. Even there you can mount a case that you wouldn't find a more solid citizen or glowing advertisement for the game than ineligible Chris Grant who topped the 1997 count. But that's another argument.
The fairest and best criteria is too heavy-handed for these enthusiastic, first-year recruits endeavouring to find their way in the game's toughest, most challenging and scrutinised competition.
Simply, the Rising Star should celebrate football talent alone.
These future champions' fashion sense, tastes in music or table manners are irrelevant.
We just want to know who the panel of ex-players decide is dux of the 2010 graduates based on kicks, marks, hardball gets and all the key indicators that identify the best.
Keep the strike-out clause for anyone who's actually suspended. After all, if a young player displays thuggish tendencies on game-day, the tribunal system will quickly weed him out.
But it's grossly unfair that Martin and Grant, leading contenders on form and ability, must sit through the awards lunch in September knowing they can accept nothing more than a meal and backslaps, even though they haven't actually breached the guidelines.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-must-end-rising-star-award-farce/story-e6frf9jf-1225898129861
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weak dogs.
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Even the league's own Rising Star rules state that players found guilty and fined or reprimanded remain eligible to win the award.
But the technicality is that the base demerit points for each of these nominee's offences was 125, above the dreaded 100 that equates to a suspension unless you plead guilty and access the 25 per cent discount.
Correct me if im wrong but isnt this what Dusty did, plead guilty and got it reduced to a fine, in which case he is still eligible. Grant on the other hand challenged the tribunal and got his sanction reduced.
Niether was actually suspended.
Or am I just a dumb ass and reading this the wrong way?
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Even the league's own Rising Star rules state that players found guilty and fined or reprimanded remain eligible to win the award.
But the technicality is that the base demerit points for each of these nominee's offences was 125, above the dreaded 100 that equates to a suspension unless you plead guilty and access the 25 per cent discount.
Correct me if im wrong but isnt this what Dusty did, plead guilty and got it reduced to a fine, in which case he is still eligible. Grant on the other hand challenged the tribunal and got his sanction reduced.
Niether was actually suspended.
Or am I just a dumb ass and reading this the wrong way?
Sorry Jacosh...did you say something?! I was a little distracted by your avatar :o :eyebrow
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Even the league's own Rising Star rules state that players found guilty and fined or reprimanded remain eligible to win the award.
But the technicality is that the base demerit points for each of these nominee's offences was 125, above the dreaded 100 that equates to a suspension unless you plead guilty and access the 25 per cent discount.
Correct me if im wrong but isnt this what Dusty did, plead guilty and got it reduced to a fine, in which case he is still eligible. Grant on the other hand challenged the tribunal and got his sanction reduced.
Niether was actually suspended.
Or am I just a dumb ass and reading this the wrong way?
I don't know if you're reading it wrong, I just think it's worded badly
He's ineligible unfortunately
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It's still ridiculous and inconsistent that a player can be just reprimanded, not miss a game and still be eligile for the competition's best & fairest award (Brownlow) yet be ineligible for the Rising Star Award.
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It's still ridiculous and inconsistent that a player can be just reprimanded, not miss a game and still be eligile for the competition's best & fairest award (Brownlow) yet be ineligible for the Rising Star Award.
Not sure if that is the case MT, unless the rules have changed. Goodes and Kirk in 2007 were ineligible but because of early plea were not suspended.
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It's still ridiculous and inconsistent that a player can be just reprimanded, not miss a game and still be eligile for the competition's best & fairest award (Brownlow) yet be ineligible for the Rising Star Award.
I thought that was the case too but have been informed that the same rules apply for the Brownlow
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I stand corrected. You're right Jake and Infamy. Cheers guys.
"A week ago, two-time Brownlow Medallist Adam Goodes accepted a reprimand, also for head-high contact.
Franklin and Goodes now cannot win the Brownlow because their original penalties were worth a one-game ban."
http://wwos.ninemsn.com/article.aspx?id=580945
It's still ridiculous to miss out on an award when you haven't been suspended. The whole point of the early plea is the original potential penalty no longer applies.
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Rise & shine
Garry Lyon
August 28, 2010
Martin has been a revelation for all football lovers this year. That he is ineligible for the award this year is unfortunate, but he and Richmond have accepted his fate with class and dignity.
If he was eligible, and I was voting, he'd win. His impact has been profound, his composure, in the absolute furnace that is the centre square, way, way beyond his years, and his kicking has power and precision. I love that he is his own man; a little different, not pre-packaged or straight off the assembly line. He gave the Tiger faithful hope during the darkest periods of the year, and he will give them even more hope going forward.
Lyon's top 5
5 votes: Daniel Hannebery
4 votes: Tom Scully
3 votes: Ryan Bastinac
2 votes: Ben Reid
1 vote: Tom Rockliff
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/rise--shine-20100827-13w0d.html
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So let me get this right.
He was reprimanded and considered ineligible (round 3).
Yet after this he was still nominated (round 10).
With the panel knowing full well that he is not eligible to poll any votes, even though he may well be the best young talent.
My question is this.
Why bother in the first place you morons ?!?!
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who cares
Adrian anderson votes on this award and it is irrelevant
The fact of the matter is, the rising star award is just a back patting exercise for Kevin Sheehan to blow his trumpet on his afl ais graduates.
Astbury, Webberly and Nason didnt get a nomination because they werent afl ais graduates the award a joke
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Yep. It's a nothing award paid for by sponsors. stuffing hell, Rainesy came second in it.
My money is on Danny Hanny.
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Yep. It's a nothing award paid for by sponsors. effing hell, Rainesy came second in it.
My money is on Danny Hanny.
or scully
btw wasnt that fijiian big bird meant to cream it in , nic nat , lol, what a joke
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I reckon NicNatPaddyWhack will still be a ripper over the course X. For a big unit he can hustle with the best of em, he will get better and better imo.
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And remember the team is on tanking orders
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So let me get this right.
He was reprimanded and considered ineligible (round 3).
Yet after this he was still nominated (round 10).
With the panel knowing full well that he is not eligible to poll any votes, even though he may well be the best young talent.
My question is this.
Why bother in the first place you morons ?!?!
Because his old junior club gets a cash prize, the reprimand stops him from winning the whole thing, but can still be nominated
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Thanks Inf, I just learnt something.
Who cares we all know who the true rising star is and as allready mentioned Raines came second once :rollin
Kinda like the Brownlow, doesn't mean much in my books (Unless a Tiger wins of course) ;D
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So let me get this right.
He was reprimanded and considered ineligible (round 3).
Yet after this he was still nominated (round 10).
With the panel knowing full well that he is not eligible to poll any votes, even though he may well be the best young talent.
My question is this.
Why bother in the first place you morons ?!?!
Because his old junior club gets a cash prize, the reprimand stops him from winning the whole thing, but can still be nominated
Thanks Inf.
Still reckon he should still be able to collect votes, even if not eligible ( same as brownlow).
If recognition is deserved it should be delivered.
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So let me get this right.
He was reprimanded and considered ineligible (round 3).
Yet after this he was still nominated (round 10).
With the panel knowing full well that he is not eligible to poll any votes, even though he may well be the best young talent.
My question is this.
Why bother in the first place you morons ?!?!
Because his old junior club gets a cash prize, the reprimand stops him from winning the whole thing, but can still be nominated
Thanks Inf.
Still reckon he should still be able to collect votes, even if not eligible ( same as brownlow).
If recognition is deserved it should be delivered.
I do kinda agree, but given all the votes are given after Round 22 when each member ranks their top 5 nominees it's a bit pointless to give votes to a player who can't win
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Because his old junior club gets a cash prize, the reprimand stops him from winning the whole thing, but can still be nominated
Yep, spot on. I'm from his old club and we received cash and contra in exchange for a fluff piece in the local rag saying how great the NAB is.
Good to see you are still about BTW, Infamy. :thumbsup
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No votes for Dusty. Hannebery won the Rising Star with the maximum 45 votes.
2010 voting
Daniel Hannebery 45 ------- Winner
Tom Scully 35
Tom Rockliff 24
Jack Trengove 11
Ryan Bastinac 6
Jeff Garlett 5
Nathan Fyfe 3
Michael Hurley 2
Nic Naitanui 2
Ben Reid 1
Ben Stratton 1
Andrew Demetriou
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Scully
3 - Tom Rockliff
2 - Jack Trengove
1 - Nathan Fyfe
Adrian Anderson
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Scully
3 - Tom Rockliff
2 - Jack Trengove
1 - Ben Stratton
James Hird
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Scully
3 - Jack Trengove
2 - Tom Rockliff
1 - Nathan Fyfe
Kevin Bartlett
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Scully
3 - Tom Rockliff
2 - Michael Hurley
1 - Ryan Bastinac
Mark Riccuito
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Scully
3 - Ryan Bastinac
2 - Jack Trengove
1 - Tom Rockliff
Gerard Healy
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Rockliff
3 - Tom Scully
2 - Jack Trengove
1 - Nathan Fyfe
Glen Jakovich
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Scully
3 - Jeff Garlett
2 - Tom Rockliff
1 - Nic Naitanui
Kevin Sheehan
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Scully
3 - Tom Rockliff
2 - Ryan Bastinac
1 - Nic Naitanui
Robert Walls
5 - Daniel Hannebery
4 - Tom Scully
3 - Tom Rockliff
2 - Jeff Garlett
1 - Ben Reid
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/101684/default.aspx
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hmmm... Nic Natanui getting some votes.... ???
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Martin (top left) at the RS function today with the other nominees
(http://images.slatterymedia.com/images/thumbs/800/2010/09/01/216766.jpg)
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Well done Danny Hanny. I think he may even have edged it if Marto was eligible.
Also wiped the smile off those tanking toff idiots at Melbourne.
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Well done Danny Hanny. I think he may even have edged it if Marto was eligible.
Also wiped the smile off those tanking toff idiots at Melbourne.
95 posts in 8 days.
You must be unemployed or a Yr 9 student with a laptop not paying attention in class.
God help us all.
What did you do to get kicked off Y&B?
:lol
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'65 i am with ya buddy, i am with ya! :thumbsup
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Stick to the topic ppl!
Hannebery is a deserving winner as he's had a great season. Having said that a 4th in the RFC B&F for Martin last night demonstrated Dusty's great year also and he would've been hard to beat in the RS if he was eligible. Interesting to see where the other RS nominees finish in their respective Club B&Fs as a comparison.
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95 posts in 8 days.
96
You must be unemployed or a Yr 9 student with a laptop not paying attention in class.
I must be
God help us all.
Richo wont save you
What did you do to get kicked off Y&B?
It wasn't pedophilia
:lol
:clapping
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Well done Danny Hanny. I think he may even have edged it if Marto was eligible.
Also wiped the smile off those tanking toff idiots at Melbourne.
95 posts in 8 days.
You must be unemployed or a Yr 9 student with a laptop not paying attention in class.
God help us all.
What did you do to get kicked off Y&B?
:lol
You a bit angry, lad? What you doing here? WAT is in the bedroom with the strap on ;)
:cheers
Well done to Hannebery
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Well done Danny Hanny. I think he may even have edged it if Marto was eligible.
Also wiped the smile off those tanking toff idiots at Melbourne.
95 posts in 8 days.
You must be unemployed or a Yr 9 student with a laptop not paying attention in class.
God help us all.
What did you do to get kicked off Y&B?
:lol
Go and take a shower mate, get some of that sand out of your bagina.
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Martin (top left) at the RS function today with the other nominees
(http://images.slatterymedia.com/images/thumbs/800/2010/09/01/216766.jpg)
I reckon Martin looks like he wouldnt mind giving it to half the sftckcs in that photo including the one with the ugly piece of crap on his head.
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So with 22 nominees how come only 17 in the official photo?
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So with 22 nominees how come only 17 in the official photo?
No Morabito in that photo so I'm guessing travel. Same with Fyfe? Ben Reid not there either so perhaps training as well.
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I'd suggest players who are preparing for finals, especially from interstate sides.
Hannebury would have had to make an exception as he was the favourite