One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 31, 2010, 07:16:37 PM
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Mike Sheahan and Gerard Healy on 3aw reckon we (and Melbourne) need to recruit 24-28 year olds to get our spirit and competitiveness up.
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it's not the silliest thing Ive heard, depending on how Bris go this year it may set a precedent in the modern era in bolstering a battling saides stocks :shh
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Mike Sheahan and Gerard Healy on 3aw reckon we (and Melbourne) need to recruit 24-28 year olds to get our spirit and competitiveness up.
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Would believe this 100% correct :thumbsup
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how would they suggest we do that with the new teams coming up?
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Correct me if I am wrong but is the recruitment of 24-28 year olds called taking a "short cut".
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short term fix that may not even work...to leave us right where we are now in a few years time?
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we are like an Ocean Crusier , without a captain, with out a Navigator and we are just doing laps of Port Phillip Bay.
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we are like an Ocean Crusier , without a captain, with out a Navigator and we are just doing laps of Port Phillip Bay.
Jack...what mature players would target from other clubs ?
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Idiotic idea , of course if we did this we would be trashed a few years later for "short term fix" by these same people..
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we are like an Ocean Crusier , without a captain, with out a Navigator and we are just doing laps of Port Phillip Bay.
Nathan Brown, Troy Simmonds, Jordy, Kane Johnston and they were supposedly the good ones.
Won't go into all the others-Luke wellar, Craig Biddoscombe, Trent Knobel, Rory Hilton, Tim Fleming, Simon Fletcher, Steven Sziller, Adam Houlihan, Ben Marsh, Billy Nicolls etc
Has it worked?
No
do we try to build from ground up with untried players?
I reckon.
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Stupid, its the reason we are in such a mess - suck it up theres going to be some real pain before we improve.
I cant believe we haven't all learned from 30 years of recruiting rejects which have a success rate of about 10%
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we are like an Ocean Crusier , without a captain, with out a Navigator and we are just doing laps of Port Phillip Bay.
Jack...what mature players would target from other clubs ?
And what would they want in return?
And what about Melbourne too Mike? Abandon the rebuild now?
We need to persist with the plan of rebuilding and not take short cuts and deviate from it.
There is no guarantee of success with picking up mature age recruits and furthermore the Brissy model has some superstars in it already in Brown, Black, Power we don't have any and there is guarantee of success for Brisabne either. In our case let the rebuild continue.
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I'm telling ya these guys are having a lend of all of us ::) they're the puppet masters and they are pulling the strings. This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Over the past 5 years richmond has been consistently ridiculed by these very same ar.seclowns saying how poor we were to take shortcuts whilst teams like hawthorn and carlton stocked up on young talent in the draft and now they are advocating the very thing they used to ridicule us publicly for????? FFS..... now I've heard it all
go stuff yourselves!
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I'm telling ya these guys are having a lend of all of us ::) they're the puppet masters and they are pulling the strings. This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Over the past 5 years richmond has been consistently ridiculed by these very same behindclowns saying how poor we were to take shortcuts whilst teams like hawthorn and carlton stocked up on young talent in the draft and now they are advocating the very thing they used to ridicule us publicly for????? FFS..... now I've heard it all
go eff yourselves!
Brilliant post, it is exactly what they are trying to do. they and others like them will do everything they can in order to derail us from our plan. We are building from the ground up, if we've got no god damn leaders then we better damn well make some out of what we got. Recruit kids, develop them, turn them into leaders, rinse, repeat.
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ive read and heard a lot of reports but this is up there with the worst.
Yes lets recruit old hacks again that cant get a game elsewhere shall we.
Its exactly what has put us in this mess to begin with.
How about spend more money on development and more recruiters travelling around the globe so we pick up and develop the right kid through the draft.
If we play the draft right by trading players like Jackson, newman i believe we have a chance to good more picks.
we need to be smart here not take short cuts like those fu.kwits Terry and Spud did,
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Idiotic idea , of course if we did this we would be trashed a few years later for "short term fix" by these same people..
Exactly HB, they would be front and centre in the 'bagging out' queue.
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Well I am afraid to some degree I agree, during the pre-season draft and the trade period I called for our recruiting to at least try to inject some more experienced players to our team. Suffice to say I was shot to pieces..... again.
I did not say to give away early draft picks but I firmly believe we do not have enough experienced (decent) players at the club to cope with the nurturing of our youth.
Fev, Hall, McGuire, Seaby, Jolly, Ball, etc..... the list goes on and on, but no one sees it that way. You can sit and say rebuild all you want but if in the end all we have at the club is inexperienced youth we are further away..... a lot further away than we think.
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Suffice to say I was shot to pieces..... again.
Got a complex WAT? ;D
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Suffice to say I was shot to pieces..... again.
Got a complex WAT? ;D
Only on this forum, I go ok on the others though...... I think :thumbsup
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we are like an Ocean Crusier , without a captain, with out a Navigator and we are just doing laps of Port Phillip Bay.
Jack...what mature players would target from other clubs ?
I aint talking about the ""Kent Kingsleys "' or the Paul Hudsons of this world. :banghead
Major problem we have is that we have very little leadership at the club. combined with players who are intraverted, this is a real issue in ateam enviroment.
I like the way that Brisbane recruited a guy like Staker.
We need players who can lead by example and show as they way. Very hard to teach if you haven got a teacher.
We need players to make there teammates walk tall, it aint going to happen at Punt Road with the current playing group
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we are like an Ocean Crusier , without a captain, with out a Navigator and we are just doing laps of Port Phillip Bay.
Jack...what mature players would target from other clubs ?
I aint talking about the ""Kent Kingsleys "' or the Paul Hudsons of this world. :banghead
Major problem we have is that we have very little leadership at the club. combined with players who are intraverted, this is a real issue in ateam enviroment.
I like the way that Brisbane recruited a guy like Staker.
We need players who can lead by example and show as they way. Very hard to teach if you haven got a teacher.
We need players to make there teammates walk tall, it aint going to happen at Punt Road with the current playing group
You might want to go and dig that thread up I started on Staker Jack, I was gunned down against a wall for even suggesting he come to the club. Look at him now, looked great all pre-season and in the first game, certainly better than we we offered up in the ruck and forward. I agree, we need some of these players to educate the youth, we wen't to young IMO and it's put us back even further.
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Judd was the one we needed.
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I don't agree with Mike & Gerard
However, just on what Jack was alluding to, if I was going to go for 24-28 Year olds (and I am against it) I'd look at say a Stanton from Essendon or a Boyd from the Doggies as much for their leadership qualities as anything else
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Only problem with their horsecrap theory is that half-decent 24 to 28 year olds rarely appear in the draft and applying their thinking it would take us 10+ years of drafting these types to make the difference they think we need. I honestly thought those 2 had more brains.
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Obviously we don't want to make the mistake of picking up other teams rejects again. And similarly, I reckon 24-28 is getting a bit long in the tooth.
But there may be merit in scouring the local leagues for more 20-22 year olds, who've been competing against men, and are themselves more physically developed. I believe Webberley and Nason came from this sort of background.
That's quicker than putting 2-4 years of development into an 18 yr old, but at the same time isn't burdening us with an ageing list.
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A lot of people seemed to have been swept up in Barlow-mania.
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Judd was the one we needed.
Not for what it would have cost us he wasn't
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A lot of people seemed to have been swept up in Barlow-mania.
It's a little more than just Barlow-mania imo.
Last year there was Broughton from Freo, Anthony from the Kangas, Mumford from Geelong, even Nahas from us, and more that i cannot think at the moment, that have come into the AFL system at an older age and made an impact straight away. I think what the artical is saying is we need to find players from other leagues ect that may have been over looked when they were 18/19 that can bring hardness, leadership and spark into our side to be able to get some of the young boys up and about. Not hacks from other AFL clubs that cannot get a game. Massive difference!
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we are like an Ocean Crusier , without a captain, with out a Navigator and we are just doing laps of Port Phillip Bay.
Jack...what mature players would target from other clubs ?
I aint talking about the ""Kent Kingsleys "' or the Paul Hudsons of this world. :banghead
Major problem we have is that we have very little leadership at the club. combined with players who are intraverted, this is a real issue in ateam enviroment.
I like the way that Brisbane recruited a guy like Staker.
We need players who can lead by example and show as they way. Very hard to teach if you haven got a teacher.
We need players to make there teammates walk tall, it aint going to happen at Punt Road with the current playing group
Staker is a muppett.
What the hell is Cousins at the club if he is not this leadership guru destined to follow from his playing career to a development coaching gig.
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Correct me if I am wrong but is the recruitment of 24-28 year olds called taking a "short cut".
not if you are prioritising and utilising your nd picks especially your early ones.
the rfc over the yrs has far to often ignored this and thus the future and gone for the quick fix.
i would think trading early picks for nearly all clubs is nowadays taboo. unless of course you are in a position to challenge for at least top 4.
its about a balance and the rfc has never ever got the balance right.
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Jon Anderson in today's Herald-Sun has the argument for picking up 20-somethings from state leagues...
Clinton Jones - South Fremantle B&F 2005 and 2006 (premiership year). 3rd in Sandover 2006.
Harry Taylor
Liam Anthony
Greg Broughton
Michael Barlow
Matt Priddis - 2006 Sandover winner
Aaron Davey
Danyle Pearce
Brett Kirk - didn't debut until 22 y.o.
In days gone by, before the under-18 competition, it was common enough for a recruit to be invited down after a couple of good years in the bush. Greg Williams, believe it or not, was twice overlooked before Geelong gave him a chance at age 20 in 1984. He won the Cats' best-and-fairest the next year, and the Brownlow Medal the year after that. Leon Baker was 27 when recruited by Essendon from Swan Districts in 1984. Later that year, he played a key role in the Bombers' come-from-behind flag win.
Full article at:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-generation-game/story-e6frf9jf-1225849037044
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Considering we've picked up King, Nahas, Roberts, Webberley & Nason from outside the U18 competition, it looks like we're not the only ones following this path.
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good news - we should be able to come 9th again in the not too distant future 8) 8)
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If ever there was an argument for and against this topic have a look at good old Norf and the Dawks.
While Norf will outplace us on the ladder this year quiet simply in the future they are shot ducks, they traded away good draft picks for slightly above average footballers that didn't get them anywhere. With their better older players retiring and the compromised drafts they will be down the bottom for quiet an extended time.
On the other hand ask the Dawks how they went by placing their faith in the draft.
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good news - we should be able to come 9th again in the not too distant future 8) 8)
by the time we're good enough to finish 9th there will be a top 9 and we'll end up finishing 10th! Then they'll call us tenthmond!!!!
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If ever there was an argument for and against this topic have a look at good old Norf and the Dawks.
While Norf will outplace us on the ladder this year quiet simply in the future they are shot ducks, they traded away good draft picks for slightly above average footballers that didn't get them anywhere.
why do you say that? when both sides have north 30 and richmond 28 players who are still 22 or under including rookies.
they have more first or second rnd picks on their list supposedly where all the quality is and they have a much better record on developing players and their recruiting record is better also.
also believe its a bit of a furphy that they have traded away all of their early picks over the yrs. 02 04 and 05 are the only yrs in the last 10 where they have traded early picks away. in 02 they traded pick 13 for leigh brown but of set this, and this was a key by getting pick 2 for an ageing carey.
02 shows us all how it should be done. they stayed in the first rnd, ironically they ended up with our pick 2. while trading for a type they thought they badly needed.
so many things come into it when looking to trade for players. where the list is at how much depth are you challenging how much experience you have on the list. your structures quality etc etc etc.
there is a right time and circumstance to trade for players. in trading for players you must always keep one eye on the future.
to me one circumstance for a club in rebuild, who have cleaned out a lot of under performing older players, and are left with few experienced players on the list. its okay to go and get an experienced player or two as long as you take care of the long term first.and the players taken can lead teach and add to the team even if it is only in the short term.
your current circumstance and state of the list with all things considered determines how you go about drafting /trading.as your list grows and gets stronger so do the circumstances and processes you may go thru.
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why would richmond chase 28 yoas ...
dangerfeild or boak sure but has kingsley, knobel etc. not shown that this is not the right path? :-\ :'(