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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 10, 2016, 10:40:11 AM
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If they've decided to blood new players and regenerate the senior player list, then I think they have made the right call.
This is what Dimma mentioned yesterday and it makes some sense.
Chaplain, Morris, Hampson, Batchelor, Conca, Griffiths, Hunt & Maric all need to be delisted/retired/put down
B Ellis, Vickery, Grigg, Houli should be moved on ideally through trading (even if contracted).
There's another 4 or 5 fringe players who have 19 games to prove themselves.
That's on field.
If we're honest - we need to go through the same regeneration off field and review:-
*Recruiting key list needs, Treloar, Myers, Bennell (maybe), Parker etc
* identifying obvious list deficiencies - ruck and pace. I am stunned at the ruckman we have allowed to go to other club
* player development - this has been okay but we lack collective composure under pressure from our leadership group. I know they've tried some things but it hasn't worked well enough
* gameplan - another poster covered this so I won't detail the issue only to say it seems like we've not adapted at all to a faster style of play. Ironically I remember Lids talking about "fast footy" before the 2015 season. I reckon our game plan would've won us the flag in 2012-2014 with the right talent
* making money - a big tick but a one dimensional one and now that is at serious risk because of points 1,2&3
I don't think we should get rid of everyone but if we're going to "take full responsibility" then let's get Hartley, FJ, Richardson, Gale, Hardwick and co accountable for the general lack of progress since 2013.
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Agree
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So basically, sack a bunch of losers.
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Astbury is either a huge dud or not slotting into dimmers world.
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Astbury is either a huge dud or not slotting into dimmers world.
Astbury would be the very first player l would have traded. l would have kept Dea. Even if Astbury had a 20 metre rope he would not have been able to lasso his wandering opponent. :help
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So basically lets do what most on here said after we were embarrassed after our first EF loss.
It was this fool who brought Hunt, Knights, Hampson, Grigg to this club on good money, not to mention the extending of contracts like Conca and The Big Fag Griffiths, amongst others.
It was Gale and Peggy Sue who gave this dud an extension.
The list is stuffed and now he wants to re-generate it?
Dimwit, Hackley and Jackskn need to be sacked immediately and Gale on notice for that stupid contract extension decision
Wallace and Frawley did the same thing as this dud. Did we reward those with the same luxuries of 7 plus years
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Yep. No leadership qualities nor is he able to follow
A real example of dimmers 6 years as coach and what he does to players.
Refuses to let them bring waht they have to the game style and forces them to do as he thinks is best, which is always a poorly thought out mathematical equation.
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So basically lets do what most on here said after we were embarrassed after our first EF loss.
It was this fool who brought Hunt, Knights, Hampson, Grigg to this club on good money, not to mention the extending of contracts like Conca and The Big limp Griffiths, amongst others.
It was Gale and Peggy Sue who gave this dud an extension.
The list is stuffed and now he wants to re-generate it?
Dimwit, Hackley and Jackskn need to be sacked immediately and Gale on notice for that stupid contract extension decision
Wallace and Frawley did the same thing as this dud. Did we reward those with the same luxuries of 7 plus years
He says this after round three ^^
But was saying this on the eve of round one
“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.
stuffen sack the whole lot of the idiots.
If it was a real business that relied on quality product instead of the passion and emotion of a brainwashed generation, they'd have folded just after Fitzroy n
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Astbury would be the very first player l would have traded. l would have kept Dea. Even if Astbury had a 20 metre rope he would not have been able to lasso his wandering opponent. :help
they tried to trade him last year and he (Astbury) said no. So he had to stay
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We are in the middle of a list rebuild and it wasn't conveyed as such by the club. IMHO it is the right move but it should have been articulated better by those in power.
Or so it now seems.......
Maybe I am just being too nice....... :banghead :banghead
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How can they articulate it better when the coach says this.
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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.
Just just elevates him to grand poohbah fkstick.
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Astbury is either a huge dud or not slotting into dimmers world.
Astbury would be the very first player l would have traded. l would have kept Dea. Even if Astbury had a 20 metre rope he would not have been able to lasso his wandering opponent. :help
Good points.
Should have traded Astbury to Brisbane for ANYTHING really. Then pick up a new KPD in the draft and start fresh - such as Kieran Collins instead of using the pick on Yarran.
I think Dea is looking quite settled in Essendon's backline.
Said it already this year - should have kept him.
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Agree on Dea.....but what did we really expect this inept toss bags to do....?
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How can they articulate it better when the coach says this.
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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.
Just just elevates him to grand poohbah fkstick.
Incredible
What more can you say really
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Astbury is either a huge dud or not slotting into dimmers world.
Astbury would be the very first player l would have traded. l would have kept Dea. Even if Astbury had a 20 metre rope he would not have been able to lasso his wandering opponent. :help
Good points.
Should have traded Astbury to Brisbane for ANYTHING really. Then pick up a new KPD in the draft and start fresh - such as Kieran Collins instead of using the pick on Yarran.
I think Dea is looking quite settled in Essendon's backline.
Said it already this year - should have kept him.
Astbury was contracted so to be traded he had to agree to a trade he DIDN'T
Dea was out of contract and they needed to free up space for the draft so he got flicked. Other clubs also knew he was likely to flicked
Also, don't lose sight of the fact that at draft time (both national & PSD) not one club picked up Dea...only reason he's playing is because the Bombers decided to go with big bodied experienced players as top ups
Yep he's going well and good luck to him but let's not forget no other club wanted him after he was delisted
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Maybe I am just being too nice....... :banghead :banghead
Always remember
"It's nice to be important but it important to be nice"
:sarcasm
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If they've decided to blood new players and regenerate the senior player list, then I think they have made the right call.
This is what Dimma mentioned yesterday and it makes some sense.
Chaplain, Morris, Hampson, Batchelor, Conca, Griffiths, Hunt & Maric all need to be delisted/retired/put down
B Ellis, Vickery, Grigg, Houli should be moved on ideally through trading (even if contracted).
There's another 4 or 5 fringe players who have 19 games to prove themselves.
That's on field.
If we're honest - we need to go through the same regeneration off field and review:-
*Recruiting key list needs, Treloar, Myers, Bennell (maybe), Parker etc
* identifying obvious list deficiencies - ruck and pace. I am stunned at the ruckman we have allowed to go to other club
* player development - this has been okay but we lack collective composure under pressure from our leadership group. I know they've tried some things but it hasn't worked well enough
* gameplan - another poster covered this so I won't detail the issue only to say it seems like we've not adapted at all to a faster style of play. Ironically I remember Lids talking about "fast footy" before the 2015 season. I reckon our game plan would've won us the flag in 2012-2014 with the right talent
* making money - a big tick but a one dimensional one and now that is at serious risk because of points 1,2&3
I don't think we should get rid of everyone but if we're going to "take full responsibility" then let's get Hartley, FJ, Richardson, Gale, Hardwick and co accountable for the general lack of progress since 2013.
Richmond have the players but they play a game plan that is not suited to them. This is why they fall over themselves during the game. They beat the premiers 2 seasons running & also have the scalps of Sydney often. They about even with Freo the last few seasons & only 20 points off the Eagles. It dont matter if you had the whole seconds list out there. If the game plan is backwards & sideways crap football instead of using your huge forwards for marking & small forwards to crumb, going fast & direct to them. You may as well forfeit the game & not even bother. Vickery, Junk time Jack, Griffiths, Lloyd, Edwards, Rioli, Martin is a feared forward line if played correctly. Backwards & Sideways football over works the midfield & backline & when the pressure is really on they make silly mistakes & bad decisions. They are over used & fatigued. l know this cause l have coached alot of football & what l see in Richmond are players who have too many possessions & fatigued time wasters who can't make a good decision amongst the back 6. Forwards can't get score on the board if they are frustrated from making lots of wasted leads & energy. You can cut your list to ribbons but they been trying that for 36 years. If this list can beat Hawthorn 2 years running think about it a little more what the real reason is. Richmond players are very fit, Very skilled, But they are fatigued by a game plan that don't make sense to me & many others.
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How can they articulate it better when the coach says this.
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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.
Just just elevates him to grand poohbah fkstick.
Incredible
What more can you say really
The bloke should be committed and studied for delusions of grandeur.
It's one thing believing his own delusions but trying to pass them into us....R u for real idiot?
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Maybe I am just being too nice....... :banghead :banghead
Always remember
"It's nice to be important but it important to be nice"
:sarcasm
;D
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If they've decided to blood new players and regenerate the senior player list, then I think they have made the right call.
This is what Dimma mentioned yesterday and it makes some sense.
Chaplain, Morris, Hampson, Batchelor, Conca, Griffiths, Hunt & Maric all need to be delisted/retired/put down
B Ellis, Vickery, Grigg, Houli should be moved on ideally through trading (even if contracted).
There's another 4 or 5 fringe players who have 19 games to prove themselves.
That's on field.
If we're honest - we need to go through the same regeneration off field and review:-
*Recruiting key list needs, Treloar, Myers, Bennell (maybe), Parker etc
* identifying obvious list deficiencies - ruck and pace. I am stunned at the ruckman we have allowed to go to other club
* player development - this has been okay but we lack collective composure under pressure from our leadership group. I know they've tried some things but it hasn't worked well enough
* gameplan - another poster covered this so I won't detail the issue only to say it seems like we've not adapted at all to a faster style of play. Ironically I remember Lids talking about "fast footy" before the 2015 season. I reckon our game plan would've won us the flag in 2012-2014 with the right talent
* making money - a big tick but a one dimensional one and now that is at serious risk because of points 1,2&3
I don't think we should get rid of everyone but if we're going to "take full responsibility" then let's get Hartley, FJ, Richardson, Gale, Hardwick and co accountable for the general lack of progress since 2013.
Richmond have the players but they play a game plan that is not suited to them. This is why they fall over themselves during the game. They beat the premiers 2 seasons running & also have the scalps of Sydney often. They about even with Freo the last few seasons & only 20 points off the Eagles. It dont matter if you had the whole seconds list out there. If the game plan is backwards & sideways crap football instead of using your huge forwards for marking & small forwards to crumb, going fast & direct to them. You may as well forfeit the game & not even bother. Vickery, Junk time Jack, Griffiths, Lloyd, Edwards, Rioli, Martin is a feared forward line if played correctly. Backwards & Sideways football over works the midfield & backline & when the pressure is really on they make silly mistakes & bad decisions. They are over used & fatigued. l know this cause l have coached alot of football & what l see in Richmond are players who have too many possessions & fatigued time wasters who can't make a good decision amongst the back 6. Forwards can't get score on the board if they are frustrated from making lots of wasted leads & energy. You can cut your list to ribbons but they been trying that for 36 years. If this list can beat Hawthorn 2 years running think about it a little more what the real reason is. Richmond players are very fit, Very skilled, But they are fatigued by a game plan that don't make sense to me & many others.
Two very very good posts right there
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All this talk crap again and loving the talk about Dea, how many times last year did most of us call for him to be given a crack.....best in the two's week after bloody week and that fool hardwick played Chaplin. Stupid decisions from stupid people at a stupid club.. :banghead
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Lol if we still had Dea he'd be our whipping boy. He'd make Astbury look like a crowd favourite
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Yep. Dea is arse.
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Agree
Indeed
Yet why not 1-2 years ago, why now
:huh :huh :huh
Bizarre
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Yep. Dea is arse.
Current options: Morris, bachelor, houli, b Ellis
Out of position vlastuin
Out if position rance, aa CHB playing on smalls
Dea is better small lock down defender than our current options. Without sacrificing a good player fr a role he's not suited too
List managmwt holes every where. Ruck. Key defender small defender.
The nutters are runnin the nuthouse
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Yep. Dea is arse.
Current options: Morris, bachelor, houli, b Ellis
Out of position vlastuin
Out if position rance, aa CHB playing on smalls
Dea is better small lock down defender than our current options. Without sacrificing a good player fr a role he's not suited too
List managmwt holes every where. Ruck. Key defender small defender.
The nutters are runnin the nuthouse
I agree.
Dea is a better backman than Batch, Chaplin, Elton, Houli, Ellis and Morris. He is a very good mark and can play small and tall. He also contributes on the way out.
I'm not saying he is a star but he deserved to be on our list before some that still are.
Good luck to him and as he is showing at Essendon is can easily play at the level.
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Arse is still arse
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Arse is still arse
Problem is Morris, Bach
Really ars
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Let's take Benny Gale as one example.
A wonderful administrator and has done a great job bringing solidarity to the club.
Remarkable job given our history.
Making money, building great infrastructure for the club and playing group to be set up for success.
But can he make a truly tough call?
The solidarity he has built might be a rod for his back. At some point the results need to takeover the blind faith - look at Qantas. Alan Joyce had an unbelievable backing of his board but he eventually delivered results commensurate with that faith. Remember how resolute the Qantas board was when Joyce had pilots, flight attendants, shareholders, media nailing him to the cross a few years ago?
I'd say Benny is enjoying faith across the board but this year must be a pivotal year - particularly if the season goes belly up.
Either he needs to make some tough calls on his off field team or his board need to do the same to him. Or the members will to be board.
Faith doesn't come at any cost.
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Blair Hartley - has had how long to build the list?
Why, why, why is he still at the club wallowing in the filth that is his playing list?
Someone get Mr Wolf because our playing lists brains are splattered on the back windscreen
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Blair Hartley - has had how long to build the list?
Why, why, why is he still at the club wallowing in the filth that is his playing list?
Someone get Mr Wolf because our playing lists brains are splattered on the back windscreen
You can't blame DH for Ellis, Conca, Griffiths, Batchelor, Astbury, Vickery, Elton. And there the guys STILL on our list. These are the guys we should have been able to build a side around..