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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 24, 2011, 07:31:30 PM
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Elton it is.
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Todd ELTON (Dandenong Stingrays)
DOB: 29/4/93. Ht: 197cm. Wt: 92kg.
Pos: Tall forward.
"Todd is a 197cm ruckman-forward type who is very athletic, great below his knees, has a good capacity to run and has good speed for his size. Has lots of developing to do, mind you, but that's not a downside, that's just where he's at. He's got to be able to overcome players who are physical on him and I think he started to learn that towards the end of the season when opposition teams were putting their best backman on him and really challenging him. He's certainly going to be a project player but there's lots of upside because of his height, agility and adaptability." - Dandenong Stingrays coach Graeme Yeats.
AIS/AFL Academy member 2011. Vic Country representative 2011.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvvErdm82Qs
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Hot prospects: Todd Elton
By Jason Phelan
Mon 31 Oct, 2011
Club: Dandenong Stingrays, Victoria
Date of birth: 29/04/93
Height: 197cm
Weight: 92kg
Draft range: 15-30
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/Todd%20Elton-316aa112.jpg)
NAB AFL Draft Combine: Elton tested very well in the vertical leap drills, with his 89cm jump off his left foot putting him in the top 2 per cent at the combine. His time of 2.93s in the 20m sprint is exceptional for a player of his height. He scored 25 out of 30 in the Matthew Lloyd clean hands test, which placed him equal ninth overall.
Jason Phelan says: Elton's draft stocks waned a little on the back of an average showing at the national carnival, but it was later revealed he was struggling to overcome an infected spider bite on an elbow. He was used in the ruck and up forward at TAC Cup level, but he will benefit from becoming a permanent forward at an AFL club. Elton has an excellent burst speed that can give him separation from a defender. He's still learning how to use his big frame in a one-on-one situation, but showed a glimpse of what he's capable of with nine contested marks against Bendigo in the last round of the TAC Cup season.
Kevin Sheahan says: Elton was an AIS-AFL Academy member and Vic Country U18 representative. He is good below the knees and disposes of the ball effectively. Shows great character and leadership, averaged 12.6 disposals and six marks for the Stingrays this year. From Somerville FC.
In his own words: I am a tall, hard-working, mobile player with excellent marking skills. I'm very athletic with great skills below my knees.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125523/default.aspx
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Good pick IMHO.
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Blue insight
By Ashley Browne
Tue 15 Nov, 2011
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/AFL/AFL%20A-E/eltonj246b.jpg)
TODD Elton has yet to play a game of league footy. He doesn't even know what club's colours he will be donning in 2012.
But football has been all-consuming for several years and the 18-year-old from the Dandenong Stingrays will enter the AFL system having had the perfect grounding.
Elton has played for Frankston High School, three different junior clubs - Tyabb, Frankston Dolphins and Somerville - Vic Metro and Vic Country and has been through the AIS program.
As part of the AIS program, he spent a week at Carlton. That was the eye-opener that perhaps more than anything has him ready for whichever club calls out his name at next week's NAB AFL Draft.
"I got to see the environment," he said in a recent interview with AFL.com.au.
"Off the field they are really relaxed and talkative, which was good, but when it came down the training and the weights it was all business. They know how to switch on."
Elton cuts an impressive figure. Polite, thoughtful and well-spoken, he would fit right in at a league club. On first impression, he would appear to have the makings of a future leader and he has already held leadership positions with the Stingrays.
But when you chat, he also makes it clear that he has that bit of mongrel in his make-up. Like the blokes at Carlton, there's time for banter and time to work.
"I can do that," he says. "Off the field I'm a pretty bubbly person but once I cross the white line I'm all business. A bit of white line fever."
In looking at this year's draft class, or indeed that of any season, it's about which player each of the draftees resemble. Elton has been likened to Essendon's Patrick Ryder, a description that sits comfortably with the keen Essendon supporter.
But he'd like to think there was a touch of Nick Riewoldt in the way he goes about his footy. He's tall (197cm) and mobile with a big tank for a big bloke.
"They've both got similar attributes to myself. I have been complimented on my match endurance and I really like to use my tank to push up the ground ahead of the play," he said.
He tested well at the NAB AFL Draft Combine last month, with 2.93 seconds in the sprint and 8.2 in the agility test. Both are good results for a big man. His 13.5 in the beep test also made the scouts take notice and confirmed his status, in the eyes of AFL Talent Manager Kevin Sheehan, that he is a likely top 30 selection.
By his own admission, Elton was "a bit up and down" during the NAB Under 18 Championships, but he spent much of the middle of the season in and out of hospital courtesy of a spider bite. "I just woke up one morning and there it was," he said of one of the more unusual football-related injuries of recent times.
Elton is looking forward to throwing himself into football full-time. He has plans to study once settled into an AFL system but is looking forward to the short-term future where there won't be the need to juggle his year 12 studies with his football.
"Trying to juggle school and footy is hard. Footy can be demanding so you don't get as much time as you need for the study, but I've pushed myself hard and hope to do well in year 12," he said.
And nor does he have stars in his eyes about what life will be like as a young man earning a comfortable living in league football. If he makes it in the AFL, he is looking at an annual salary of more than $300,000 within five years, but he hopes and expects that the game, not the perks, will always be the thing.
"I don't like to think about the money side of it," he said. "The love for the game is what inspires me and the week I spent at Carlton is what confirmed it for me."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/126125/default.aspx
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Good pick IMHO.
(http://www.myemoticons.com/images/super-smileys/jumbo/humor/faint.gif)
:laugh:
:gotigers
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Called it with our second pick.
Should be a versatile key pos option for us.
Happy with this. :thumbsup
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I call it how I see it. I believe he can become a very good player with the right development and we have insurance now if Griffiths doesnt come on. Good pick here.
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Elton has been likened to Essendon's Patrick Ryder, a description that sits comfortably with the keen Essendon supporter.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Bad pick, he DJ's.
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Bad pick, he DJ's.
If he turns out a bad pick then this draft will probably end up being a poor draft for us. :cheers
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Elton has been likened to Essendon's Patrick Ryder, a description that sits comfortably with the keen Essendon supporter.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Why these :banghead
Lids used to follow Carlton for example
Who cares
Good pick by the Tiges this one :thumbsup
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I agree with WP people put to much emphasis on who people followed before they got drafted.
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Actually know the bloke a little. Could see him going if offered
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Looks like another good pick up in the Vickery mould :cheers
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(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/Todd%20Elton-316aa112.jpg)
Lookalike time
(http://www.genxnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hugh-jackman.jpg)
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Can Elton sing ;D
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Some more pics:
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Todd+Elton+TAC+Cup+Preliminary+Final+Dandenong+1cP7JHS9SUgl.jpg) (http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Todd+Elton+TAC+Cup+Preliminary+Final+Dandenong+IqKt5WMkbRZl.jpg)
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/TAC+Cup+Rd+4+Ranges+v+Stingrays+7goCY-dZIhnl.jpg) (http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/TAC+Cup+Rd+2+Stingrays+v+Cannons+frs43GQA6EBl.jpg)
(http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/57/86/578601_1_O.jpg)
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Anyone rate Dylan Sheils? Off topic
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Shiels is good :thumbsup
Seen quite a bit of him up here
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Played junior footy against him under 15's/16's. Always been seen as a future AFL player
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He dominates NEAFL
TODD ELTON!!!
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Good on him, glad to be able to say I've tagged an AFL player;)
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Bigfooty's phantom draft summaries of Elton:
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#29 Fremantle - Todd Elton (Dandenong – KPF/Ruck/KPD)
Height: 197cm, Weight: 90kg, DOB: 29/04/1993
Recruited from: Dandenong Stingrays
Style: Drew Petrie
Range: 5-35
Profile: Athletic leading forward/ruckman. Very agile and moves really well for someone of his size. Has great speed for his size. Has a big leap on him as his running vertical jump score as his result at the draft combine shows. Good tackler for size. Very competitive at ground level. Has a very long kick on him. Strong mark overhead. Probably needs to influence more games more consistently because some games he can be among the better players and in other games can do very little. Didn’t really stand out during the champs as much as I would have liked and has had a very inconsistent season, but still is one of the better tall prospects because he still has all the pieces to develop into a serious player at the next level. Potential is there but just hasn’t put it together yet.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843582
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#12 Brisbane - Todd Elton (197cm forward - Dandenong)
Probably not the pick Brisbane were hoping to make, but they do have some young midfielders stepping up so that does make this one easier. Elton's Championships weren't the greatest, but since not being picked up by GWS as a 17 year old he has worked on his strength and has also played both in the ruck and down back. Despite his quiet Championships, the ability and potential is still there. He moves well for someone his size, and takes a strong mark. AFL Comparison: Drew Petrie.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=883264
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# 25 St Kilda – Todd Elton (Dandenong / 197 / 92 / 93)
IVery close to going to GWS last year but didn’t quite work out and given his year I think he may slide a little albeit if GWS miss Tomlinson or McInness I can still see him being selected by them. I am told McConnell is a fan. Elton is a key fwd who can drift into the ruck. Is pretty mobile, has a terrific leap and has good strong hands and is a pretty good user for a big boy. His testing at the Combine was very good and would give the Crows some insurance against losing Tippett at the end of the year. If they don’t lose him then they potentially have a couple of tall fwd types who in 2-3 years should be very formidable. Problem with him is he just didn’t do enough at TAC or Champs and thats not ideal.
AFL Comparison – Kurt Tippett’ish
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=885853
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Pick 29 - Fremantle
Elton is as close to Mitch Clark are you are going to get in this draft. He is a KPF / ruck who has a world of athletic talent, good game skills, great highlights package but is a poor lead for the ball and has an inability to get any kind of consistency especially up forward. He is a top 10 selection on talent if a team can get him to play to his potential.
Todd Elton
DOB 29/4/93 Height 197 Wt 92
Elton had a poor year but is likely to go higher than his performances warrant because he is an intriguing mix of physical talent and game skills. At the moment though he has not really put it all together even playing against guys significantly smaller and less talented than himself. For a big tall with the athletic talents he has he does not influence the game consistently enough. With all that said though its easy to be enticed by his highlights package.
He moves very nicely for a big guy and can link up well going through the middle of the ground becoming another midfielder with the ball. He is a balanced kick and weights his passes well. He is a right footer and much stronger on his preferred but he is capable on his left foot. He extends well for marks and takes the ball where it is very difficult for others to reach but he does not do this often enough.
He is not a great leader in the forward line and tends not to lead to great spots. I like him more marking down back or in the middle of the ground. Overall I would rate him much more highly as a CHB prospect rather than a CHF. Behind the ball I think he can float into the contest more easily and then get off and present nicely as an option going through the middle of the ground. He can deliver into 50 from this position more easily as well. For someone who I rate as a pretty good field kick his kicking for goal is below par and this is another reason I would rate him more highly as KPD prospect.
He does a fair bit of rucking at junior level and he is solid in underage company. In the AFL he is undersized for a ruck but would be capable of competing against most second rucks who are really just key positions who are relieving the number 1 ruck.
I usually have concerns with underaged rucks converting to KPDers based mainly on substandard speed and agility but that is certainly not a concern with Elton. He did a great 2.93 in the 20m sprint and was in the top 25% of the agility test. His jumping was also great and he finished 3rd in the running vertical. Around the ground he usually looks good and seems to cover plenty of ground but he tested at just over 13 in the beep test which indicates that he has quite a bit of work to do there to compete as a CHB.
Elton does not handle physical players who he comes up against and that is going to be a problem he will need to overcome at the next level if he is going to be worth anything. He is a big framed guy who I would expect to have a powerful build when he is fully developed. Think Leigh Brown / Tom Hawkins in this regard so there is no reason why he shouldn’t be able to compete physically.
Overall he really suits the current KP/Ruck model currently in vogue and the lack of KP depth this year probably helps him go higher than his performances would warrant. He is potential over performance though and needs to work much harder at getting into games and actually contributing. At the moment he looks entirely too comfortable doing not much up forward.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=890556
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Here are Todd Elton's TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Todd%20Elton&action=PSTATS&pID=192123220&client=1-3020-0-150804-14527853 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Todd%20Elton&action=PSTATS&pID=192123220&client=1-3020-0-150804-14527853)
Matches: 9
No. times in bests: 3 (including 2 B.O.Gs)
Disp: 109 (DE: 67, DIE: 42 = 61.5%) ..... avg: 12.1
Kicks: 74 (KE: 40, KIE: 34 = 54.0%) ..... avg: 8.2
Hballs: 35 (HE: 27, HIE: 8 = 77.1%) ..... avg: 3.9
Marks: 52 (CM: 26, UM: 26) ..................... avg: 5.8
HR: 15 ...................................................avg: 1.7
Tkles: 13 ................................................... avg: 1.4
Goals: 9 ................................................... avg: 1.0
Bhds: 7
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Looks likes less than a girl than the bloke that went to the lions.
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The key question is related to whether the RFC forward line can sustain a triangular structure of Riewoldt, Griffiths & Elton on a sustainable basis, OR whether he is insurance as a 2nd tall forward in case Griffiths shoulders are shot as of 2012/13.
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Glad to see he can take a contested grab. Hope he develops into a champion. Definitely has the potential to quickly over take Browne and Graham
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The key question is related to whether the RFC forward line can sustain a triangular structure of Riewoldt, Griffiths & Elton on a sustainable basis, OR whether he is insurance as a 2nd tall forward in case Griffiths shoulders are shot as of 2012/13.
I have a feeling they might be looking at him more as a tall defender.
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The key question is related to whether the RFC forward line can sustain a triangular structure of Riewoldt, Griffiths & Elton on a sustainable basis, OR whether he is insurance as a 2nd tall forward in case Griffiths shoulders are shot as of 2012/13.
it's called depth Darth.
Oh, to be in a situation where young blokes with promise start looking elsewhere for opportunities.
It's a problem i crave.
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Looks likes less than a girl than the bloke that went to the lions.
how eerily queer was that dude :lol
blinky billy longer
was surprised when he didn't break out into song lmao
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Wrapped to get Elton at 26, really didn't think he would slip so far down! :clapping
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how strange was that dude :lol
blinky billy longer
was surprised when he didn't break out into song lmao
LOL
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Emma Quayle: "Elton the interesting one. Could be the player of the draft but needs to get a bit angrier & throw himself around!"
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Emma Quayle: "Elton the interesting one. Could be the player of the draft but needs to get a bit angrier & throw himself around!"
They should send Post off with him so both can add some aggression to their games.
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Elton is more skilled than Post and much cleaner in how he uses the footy. If Elton can find some aggression then he should be streets ahead of Post in terms of how their careers pan out.
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Elton is more skilled than Post and much cleaner in how he uses the footy. If Elton can find some aggression then he should be streets ahead of Post in terms of how their careers pan out.
I agree 100%, my post was more to point out they may as well kill 2 birds with 1 stone ;)
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Wait and see on this one.
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Wait and see on this one.
He is soft.
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He is soft.
Well if he is we'll find out pretty quickly. You can't afford to be soft at the level or Cleve Hughes & Kayne Petiffer would still be in the AFL.
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Shiels is good :thumbsup
Seen quite a bit of him up here
Has he played on the moon.... ;D :thumbsup
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Wait and see on this one.
He is soft.
Thats a worry
you either have mongrel or u dont, cant really manufacture white line fever
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is it possible to be soft and "brave in the contest" :huh
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Emma Quayle: "Elton the interesting one. Could be the player of the draft but needs to get a bit angrier & throw himself around!"
They said the same thing about Ottens
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Wait and see on this one.
He is soft.
Thats a worry
you either have mongrel or u dont, cant really manufacture white line fever
He sounds like Dean Putt.
:o.
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Tiger cub's tangled web
By Matt Windley
Herald-Sun
Sat 26 Nov 2011, Page 46
TWO days ago Todd Elton was happy to go interstate to pursue his AFL dream.
Now he's heading to Punt Rd via Phoenix, Arizona.
Richmond jets out on Tuesday for a week-long high-performance camp and its newest cubs have been told to come along.
``I got told to pack my bags,'' Elton said yesterday.
``I got along well with Brandon Ellis (Richmond's pick No.15) at the draft combine, so it's good to have another person you know.''
But had it not been for a spider, Elton might have been spinning a different yarn today.
Bitten during the national championships, the Dandenong Stingray was in and out of hospital for seven nights on an IV drip.
``I got bitten on the inside of the elbow -- I just woke up with it one day,'' he said.
``It started off not too bad, but then it just started getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
``It knocked me around for the carnival, but I tried to get it out of my mind and take it week by week after that. It was better to just concentrate on the job ahead than think too long-term.''
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Delist before pre-season draft for mine.
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This one is a steal imo. He is gonna fill out and is moving around in a way no one his size should be able to. Brilliant project player imo.
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Delist before pre-season draft for mine.
Gee whiz that's an early call TBR.
But at least you're putting them on the line.
You'll either get murdered if he turns out like Richo, or hailed a genius
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I reckon I've seen opinions on here based on less than my zero knowedge of young Ben.
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:lol
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THE VALUE PICKS
Emma Quayle
The Age
Nov 27, 2011
TODD ELTON (Richmond, No. 26). Athletically, can do some incredible things. Can the Tigers bring out his competitive edge?
Todd Elton, who was perhaps the riskiest yet highest potential player in the draft.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/done-and-drafted-20111126-1o0kc.html#ixzz1epfY8tPm
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Elton is more skilled than Post and much cleaner in how he uses the footy. If Elton can find some aggression then he should be streets ahead of Post in terms of how their careers pan out.
Throw them in the Thunderdome in Pheonix and see who wants to be an AFL KPP.
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This one is a steal imo. He is gonna fill out and is moving around in a way no one his size should be able to. Brilliant project player imo.
^ agree mate...think he is a great project player & if we can give him a few years, hopefully develops along the TV line where we can rotate the two through ruck/forward options...
Throw them in the Thunderdome in Pheonix and see who wants to be an AFL KPP.
^ bravo sir :)
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Good on him, glad to be able to say I've tagged an AFL player;)
And took him out of the game... Remember it well.
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Good on him, glad to be able to say I've tagged an AFL player;)
And took him out of the game... Remember it well.
Took him to the cleaners I heard ;D
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THE VALUE PICKS
Emma Quayle
The Age
Nov 27, 2011
TODD ELTON (Richmond, No. 26). Athletically, can do some incredible things. Can the Tigers bring out his competitive edge?
Todd Elton, who was perhaps the riskiest yet highest potential player in the draft.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/done-and-drafted-20111126-1o0kc.html#ixzz1epfY8tPm
Sounds a bit like Cleve Hughes :-\
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Elton has more natural ability IMHO.
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Haven't seen Elton but Cleve was a lead, mark & kick forward mostly. Soft as eff but he had a lovely set of hands and was a dead eye dick. He must be wondering why John Anthony is still in the AFL and he isn't. Hopefully Elton can provide a bit more than Cleve did.
poo I hope he's not soft. nothing peees me off more than a big man who is scared.
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Cleve Hughes athletic? LMFAO
couldn't bend over, couldn't jump, and turned like plugger
had good hands, a great kick, and perfect skin though :-*
i'm following you around BTW davey :-* :-*
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You were a big Cleve fan from memory.
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You were a big Cleve fan from memory.
i loved a good steamer session. what a way to release the tension of the working week.
it's no coincidence i've been far more stressed since cleve got the ass.
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Good on him, glad to be able to say I've tagged an AFL player;)
And took him out of the game... Remember it well.
Took him to the cleaners I heard ;D
Left him with 1 mark, 6 possessions, goalless....
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cleve hughes was well on the way to an honourable league career until the fateful night he was witness to Polak being hit by a tram, sadly he was never the same again...fates works itself in mysterious ways at times :'(
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rubbish
hughes was always a slack, mentally weak pretty boy that liked to party
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He was only ever interested in getting a good head shot for his RSVP profile.
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we havent had much luck with Centre half forward,probably since royce hart(although they are big shoes to fill and the bar was set high)however it seems many of the recruits we have chosen in the past to fill that void have appeared to lack in the upstairs department ,by that i mean mental tuffness..eg hughes ,dan foley,alan edwards.Hopefully with this new edict ,that mental tuffness and being hard at it is a priority ,this will soon be rectified
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Calling a spade, a spade. :thumbsup
(http://www.goldcoast.com.au/images/gallery/remote/2010/08/02/697125.jpg)
:lol
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:lol
good find :clapping
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cleve hughes was well on the way to an honourable league career until the fateful night he was witness to Polak being hit by a tram, sadly he was never the same again...fates works itself in mysterious ways at times :'(
:lol
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We can blame Richo to a cerain extent. As good as the great man was, he did not allow any other forward to develop whilst he played the game (maybe Ottens was the exception). It was always kick it to me or I'll spit the dummy!
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agree with you there Y&BB, but to me the blame for that lies as much, if not more, on his coaches, particularly early in his career.
I'm convinced Frawley's game plan was "kick to richo, he'll do the rest"
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Can't have that, Richo got it kicked to him because he was a gun.
Q. Do you know how Brereton/Dunstall, Loewe/Lockett, Lucas/Lloyd, Carey/Longmire, Franklin/Roughhead formed strong forward partnerships?
A. The second bloke wasn't poo.
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Can't have that, Richo got it kicked to him because he was a gun.
I have to pull you up there TBR.....Richo got it kicked to him because he's TASMANIAN ;) ;) and a great bloke to go with it :lol
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Can't have that, Richo got it kicked to him because he was a gun.
I have to pull you up there TBR.....Richo got it kicked to him because he's TASMANIAN ;) ;) and a great bloke to go with it :lol
I agree, the fact that he is Tasmanian has much to do with why the Richo legend is so remarkable.
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agree with you there Y&BB, but to me the blame for that lies as much, if not more, on his coaches, particularly early in his career.
I'm convinced Frawley's game plan was "kick to richo, he'll do the rest"
Reading Richo's book is enlightening Al. Since reading it I tend to blame his coaches less and Richo himself more. Most of them knew the issue and tried a number of things but none succeeded in curbing his style - a footballing trait he had since his earliest days. Joel Bowden mentions that he and Richo had a number of heated discussions on field and describes one: 'Matthew would say "Kick it quicker." I'd say, "You relax, you lead and I'll make the decision about what to do with the ball. You're one of the options. You're not the only option."'
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interesting, smokey.
"your one of the options. your not the only option" ;D
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Patrick Bowden was the other option
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Richo would have kicker 150 goals for Geelong
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in a grand final
agree
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Patrick Bowden was the other option
:lol
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Patrick Bowden was the other option
I hear Patty is giving tennis a go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT714mG17bA
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Patrick Bowden was the other option
I hear Patty is giving tennis a go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT714mG17bA
Thought your mum told you to stop listening to Gaydar radio, you'v been a very naughty boy :lol
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Only a man knows what a man needs.
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Todd Elton's introduction video:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/406732/todd-elton-introduction/
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Here's a pic of Elton in a Richmond polo:
(http://mm.afl.com.au/portals/0/images_richmond/eltonprofile_246a.jpg)
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Todd Elton's introduction video:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/406732/todd-elton-introduction/
Just watched this, sheesh, one word, a marking machine :clapping...I tellya a front half with Elts, Jr8 and Vickers isnt a forward line, it's a damn dynasty :shh
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think you'll find that's two words Mr bobangles :shh
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Todd Elton's introduction video:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/406732/todd-elton-introduction/
Just watched this, sheesh, one word, a marking machine :clapping...I tellya a front half with Elts, Jr8 and Vickers isnt a forward line, it's a damn dynasty :shh
you said the exact same thing about vickery, JR and Griff. stop recycling bs you goblin
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Recruiting some players that might possess some skills, I think the RFC might be on to something :shh
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Todd Elton's introduction video:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/406732/todd-elton-introduction/
Just watched this, sheesh, one word, a marking machine :clapping...I tellya a front half with Elts, Jr8 and Vickers isnt a forward line, it's a damn dynasty :shh
TEMP SUSPENSION FOR THE PR GURU OF PUNT RD PLEASE ;D
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Ban would be more suitable. He's a clearly a troll
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Todd has everything that it takes to be an A Grader at AFL Level if he develops properly.
Only question he has on him is whether some aggro can be grown in him.
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:lol
goodbye your holiness.
do your penace :lol
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Todd Elton's introduction video:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/406732/todd-elton-introduction/
Just watched this, sheesh, one word, a marking machine :clapping...I tellya a front half with Elts, Jr8 and Vickers isnt a forward line, it's a damn dynasty :shh
you said the exact same thing about vickery, JR and Griff. stop recycling bs you goblin
yeah well what a luxury, Griff or Elts, I think Coach Hardwick would still be clinking his glass on that one :shh
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Tiger Todd’s top preparation
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 08 Dec, 2011
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images_richmond/eltonrich_246b.jpg)
Richmond’s second selection in the recent 2011 AFL National Draft, Todd Elton, has had the ideal grounding for his crack at the game’s highest level . . .
The polite, well-spoken 18-year-old has played football for Frankston High School, four different junior clubs - Tyabb, Frankston Dolphins, Somerville and Dandenong Stingrays - represented Vic Metro, as well as Vic Country, and has been through the AIS program, where he was mentored by the likes of AFL greats Michael O’Loughlin, Tom Harley, Matthew Lloyd and Brett Kirk.
At 197cm and 90kg, the forward/ruckman has been likened to St Kilda captain Nick Riewoldt and Essendon’s young gun big man Patrick Ryder, due to his athleticism.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/126982/default.aspx
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Look at that, textbook kicking action, whoa, lookout :shh
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:lol :rollin :rollin :shh
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he looks to have the frame that will really fill out to be a powerhouse unit...soon become an embarrasment of riches for us down forward :shh
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:shh
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:shh
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;D
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Look at that, textbook kicking action, whoa, lookout :shh
plugger mk2 ..
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I can see why you'd say that. Plugger was another one of those prodigious juniors, much like Elton, and of course Addam Maric.
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This boy is an absolute athlete, takes a great mark and although needs to work on his kicking a bit i reckon he'll make a great player.. Kicks better than St Nick though. Plugger?? If he's half as good we've done well
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Is that you, BJ?! :shh
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I've just been watching some highlights of the NAB Cup games from the Friday before. When Elton slipped down to pick 26 there apparently was a question mark on his hardness by some around the net. Those last couple of plays against Hawthorn that lead to Whitey's winning goal clearly makes a mockery of that talk. First Elton gets cleaned up from behind in a pack and is taken off. Then he comes back on a couple of minutes later and immediately floats back again into a oncoming pack, makes a contest and keeps his feet before dishing off a handball in front of Whitey who goals. Those actions and second efforts are what you want to see from a young key forward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jea9XKOPTbM&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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Good post MT. That assist looks better from the young bloke each time you watch it.
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First time I watched the game, I only noticed him when he got cleaned up and what he did after that.
Watching the game again, he presented very well up to the wing and even half back. He looks a likely type.
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Agree with what MT has highlighted
Looking forward to seeing the kid get some beef across those shoulders and arms
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Looking forward to seeing the kid get some beef across those shoulders and arms
Will be a dead set ripper when he does. When we drafted him I thought he was a hat rack. At the Nob Cup game, after he went off for the blood rule, I remember him warming up along the boundary just below where I was sitting, and couldn't believe how much he has stacked on in even this short time.
Credit to our training and conditioning staff :thumbsup
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Good post MT and agree, Elton looks really promising.
Was the critiscm more of his thirst to throw his weight around rather than be courageous? I thought I read something saying he needed to grow a mean streak and learn it was ok to bash packs and impose himself physically. I can't remember reading he wasn't hard or courageous enough?
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Todd takes off
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Fri 02 Mar, 2012
Talented, young Tiger ‘tall’, Todd Elton, is thriving in the AFL environment.
The 197cm, 18-year-old, who was Richmond’s second selection (No. 26 overall) in the 2011 AFL National Draft, has made huge strides in his football development since arriving at the Club from TAC Cup team Dandenong Stingrays.
“It’s been pretty full-on, a big step up from TAC Cup into pre-season, but they’ve been very exciting times,” Elton said on the ‘Sportsday’ radio show.
“The game plan’s obviously pretty difficult because we’re getting a fair bit put at us that we have to revise.
“But we’ve got Greg (Mellor), our development coach, who’s taken our first and second-years (players) through all game set-ups, making sure we understand it, which has been good.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/129924/default.aspx
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stuff me man. I thought this was another bloke going home because of 'personal problems'
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stuff me man. I thought this was another bloke going home because of 'personal problems'
:lol
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gee Id love him to come out and kick 4 or 5 sunday night, wouldnt suprise me if he did either :shh
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gee Id love him to come out and kick 4 or 5 sunday night, wouldnt suprise me if he did either :shh
woah.....ease up on the expectations. :shh
sheesh the kid has played 1 game so far sheesh. :lol
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I've just been watching some highlights of the NAB Cup games from the Friday before. When Elton slipped down to pick 26 there apparently was a question mark on his hardness by some around the net. Those last couple of plays against Hawthorn that lead to Whitey's winning goal clearly makes a mockery of that talk. First Elton gets cleaned up from behind in a pack and is taken off. Then he comes back on a couple of minutes later and immediately floats back again into a oncoming pack, makes a contest and keeps his feet before dishing off a handball in front of Whitey who goals. Those actions and second efforts are what you want to see from a young key forward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jea9XKOPTbM&feature=endscreen&NR=1
With 50 secs to go he once again backed back to make a contest against 2 hawks after a quick back-line clearance from Tucky. Miller crumbed and forced the ball deep into our forward line where Mini Maric deliberately fumbled the ball over the boundary line whilst being shepherded by:....... Elton!..... He had run 50 metres from the original contest, leaving his hawk opponent in his wake. :clapping
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gee Id love him to come out and kick 4 or 5 sunday night, wouldnt suprise me if he did either :shh
woah.....ease up on the expectations. :shh
sheesh the kid has played 1 game so far sheesh. :lol
Yeah, a 40 minute pre-season practice game at that.
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Is it now?
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...wait for it...
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Missed it
Went back up like salmon
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Todd is another Tiger now on twitter ...
https://twitter.com/ToddEltz
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How will the team look in the future with elton?
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How will the team look in the future with elton?
nothing to lose now giving him some time in the seniors to learn what's it's all about.
They can keep miller in coburg to take up the slack.
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How will the team look in the future with elton?
nothing to lose now giving him some time in the seniors to learn what's it's all about.
They can keep miller in coburg to take up the slack.
agree should have been given a taste before now especially with the likes of vickery struggling and miller a step backwards.
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How will the team look in the future with elton?
nothing to lose now giving him some time in the seniors to learn what's it's all about.
They can keep miller in coburg to take up the slack.
agree should have been given a taste before now especially with the likes of vickery struggling and miller a step backwards.
I agree x2
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
Agree. Happy for the club to develop him as they see fit.
agree should have been given a taste before now especially with the likes of vickery struggling and miller a step backwards.
Has he deserved a game yet based on his Coburg form IYO? ;D
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
That was pure rotation rubbish, clearly showed he was way above that level
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
That was pure rotation rubbish, clearly showed he was way above that level
yeh nah.... You can't give big key position forwards a game in the big league! They are way too young and must be nurtured in a poo league surrounded by poo players with substandard skills.
Just ask GWS..... They wouldn't risk Patton or the youngest player in the league, Cameron in the big bad AFL competition! No way they'd get killed in the big league. No no you'll never see those two blokes for atleast 2 years whilst they develope.
:weights :ROTFL
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yeh nah.... You can't give big key position forwards a game in the big league! They are way too young and must be nurtured in a poo league surrounded by poo players with substandard skills.
Just ask GWS..... They wouldn't risk Patton or the youngest player in the league, Cameron in the big bad AFL competition! No way they'd get killed in the big league. No no you'll never see those two blokes for atleast 2 years whilst they develope.
:weights :ROTFL
Patton played any reserves games?
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I'd love to see him have a go but not after one game and not in the place of our second ruck man unless he has proved he can fill this roll. Bring him in after a couple of weeks of consistent form as our third tall (if we are playing that way during that week). I'd rather see Griffiths play forward to be honest at this stage if match ups allow.
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
That was pure rotation rubbish, clearly showed he was way above that level
yeh nah.... You can't give big key position forwards a game in the big league! They are way too young and must be nurtured in a poo league surrounded by poo players with substandard skills.
Just ask GWS..... They wouldn't risk Patton or the youngest player in the league, Cameron in the big bad AFL competition! No way they'd get killed in the big league. No no you'll never see those two blokes for atleast 2 years whilst they develope.
:weights :ROTFL
Jezza Cameron spent an entire year in the magoos you muppet
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
That was pure rotation rubbish, clearly showed he was way above that level
yeh nah.... You can't give big key position forwards a game in the big league! They are way too young and must be nurtured in a poo league surrounded by poo players with substandard skills.
Just ask GWS..... They wouldn't risk Patton or the youngest player in the league, Cameron in the big bad AFL competition! No way they'd get killed in the big league. No no you'll never see those two blokes for atleast 2 years whilst they develope.
:weights :ROTFL
Jezza Cameron spent an entire year in the magoos you muppet
only because they didn't have a team in the afl yet. :banghead
What point are you trying to make here gerks. :help
My point is that it doesn't hurt to play a Kpp even if he's young and inexperienced. Might just pay off. But it does give them a taste of what it's like.
Not sure what your point is in calling me a muppet either ???
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My point is that it doesn't hurt to play a Kpp even if he's young and inexperienced. Might just pay off. But it does give them a taste of what it's like.
Maybe, but maybe not this match, give him a game at the MCG against an easier side.
How about Sat week against Melboune?
:thumbsup
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
lol he played in the development league because it was his turn. they rotate them thru there because they cant fit all the talls into the seniors.. he will play there again before the yrs out regardless of form because of it.
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
Agree. Happy for the club to develop him as they see fit.
agree should have been given a taste before now especially with the likes of vickery struggling and miller a step backwards.
Has he deserved a game yet based on his Coburg form IYO? ;D
lol you should ask the club that one ive advocated all yr we should be giving more kids games regardless.
let me ask how many have actually got a game on the back of 3 or 4 weeks of real good coburg form. the answer not many if any. yet we give players games thats the nature of the beast if we insist on all players performing we couldnt pick a side every week.
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Can't agree.....The kid was playing in the development league last week, he clearly has some way to go.
That was pure rotation rubbish, clearly showed he was way above that level
yeh nah.... You can't give big key position forwards a game in the big league! They are way too young and must be nurtured in a poo league surrounded by poo players with substandard skills.
Just ask GWS..... They wouldn't risk Patton or the youngest player in the league, Cameron in the big bad AFL competition! No way they'd get killed in the big league. No no you'll never see those two blokes for atleast 2 years whilst they develope.
:weights :ROTFL
here here well said both gc and gws have played a shed load of kids week in week out i dont see too many dying or incapable of coping.
sheesh all clubs with just 38 on their list proper really dont have much of an option but give games to kids. players learn just as much in the afl as in the vfl the list nimbers insist we push them thru or fall behind.
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Will our future fwd line have jack elton vickery? (Long term)
Griff forward or back?
Where does astbury fit in?
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Will our future fwd line have jack elton vickery? (Long term)
Griff forward or back?
Where does astbury fit in?
They are questions that only performance and development will answer over the next few years, cannot possibly make a call yet
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Yes we can only ponder
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it would be nice to be in a position where a decent player cant force their way into the side.
still a long way to go to be at that stage, though
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Bring Elton and Vickery in and bugger off miller
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Bring Elton and Vickery in and bugger off miller
disagree vickery is now at a stage where he must go back to coburg and find touch and form. time to earn his stripes because the few points he had in the bank were well and truly used up weeks ago.
grimes morris and foley, if fit are montys.
would promote one of elton or post and actually reward graham for his his consistent good form at coburg allowing us to use maric in a forward role a bit more.
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Im sure our mids would prefer the beefcake back in to practise reading the ball off the oppositions ruckman
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Bring Elton and Vickery in and bugger off miller
disagree vickery is now at a stage where he must go back to coburg and find touch and form. time to earn his stripes because the few points he had in the bank were well and truly used up weeks ago.
grimes morris and foley, if fit are montys.
would promote one of elton or post and actually reward graham for his his consistent good form at coburg allowing us to use maric in a forward role a bit more.
You want to use the in form ruckman of the league in a forward role? :help
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why not 40% ruck 60% forward. most people agree we are running him into the ground and he needs some DECENT BACKUP. What you gunna do when he breaks down.
thing is if graham struggles we can always throw maric into the ruck for awhile.
one other thing is ivan has spent significant time as a forward at adelaide here we are screaming out for a ruckman forward of substance well we have one staring at us. what would you rather vickery lol.
we have the form vfl ruckman in graham isnt it time to give him a game id say hes earnt it. id say white has earnt a game as well but at richmond we dont reward good seconds form we prefer to play out of form softies and hope.
people keep throwing up culture at our club. well it sure is crap when we ignore those in form who have worked hard to get a game and instead persevere with regardless of how crap they are players for months on end.
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why not 40% ruck 60% forward. most people agree we are running him into the ground and he needs some DECENT BACKUP. What you gunna do when he breaks down.
thing is if graham struggles we can always throw maric into the ruck for awhile.
one other thing is ivan has spent significant time as a forward at adelaide here we are screaming out for a ruckman forward of substance well we have one staring at us. what would you rather vickery lol.
we have the form vfl ruckman in graham isnt it time to give him a game id say hes earnt it. id say white has earnt a game as well but at richmond we dont reward good seconds form we prefer to play out of form softies and hope.
people keep throwing up culture at our club. well it sure is crap when we ignore those in form who have worked hard to get a game and instead persevere with regardless of how crap they are players for months on end.
We have the form AFL ruckman too. So why not play him there? If Graham can come in and be a second ruck then that's fine. Graham has always been good at VFL level.
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Graham is crap and any thought of bringing him in the side should not even be discussed.
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Graham is crap and any thought of bringing him in the side should not even be discussed.
Yep wish claw woukd shut up on this issue.
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:cheers
Graham is crap and any thought of bringing him in the side should not even be discussed.
:cheers
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Congrats to Todd on getting the call up to make his AFL debut. Best of luck on Saturday :clapping.
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Big call by the club in a crunch game - would have been much easier for him next week......Having said that.....GO YOU GOOD THING!
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VIDEO: We speak to Tiger debutante @toddeltz about his call up to the seniors
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/463829/default.aspx
VIDEO: Intro:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/406732/default.aspx
Elton up for the challenge
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
6:27 PM Thu 28 Jun, 2012
Richmond debutant Todd Elton is determined to approach his first AFL game this weekend in the same manner he would with the marks he enjoys flying for.
“I’m definitely going to take it with both hands . . . I’m excited for the opportunity,” an excited Elton told ‘Roar Vision’.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/139879/default.aspx
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Big call by the club in a crunch game - would have been much easier for him next week......Having said that.....GO YOU GOOD THING!
or last game vs GWS ::)
but anyhow hes in and good luck to him. :cheers
talk about a baptism of fire, AAMI, in the wet with the crows on the rebound, welcome to the bigtime son
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Big call by the club in a crunch game - would have been much easier for him next week......Having said that.....GO YOU GOOD THING!
or last game vs GWS ::)
but anyhow hes in and good luck to him. :cheers
talk about a baptism of fire, AAMI, in the wet with the crows on the rebound, welcome to the bigtime son
Good luck to the kid. :thumbsup
Here's to another 200 for the kid. :thumbsup
Its the only way the kids learn. At least he plays a toughie first up and learns to adapt a game against lesser opponents in the following weeks.
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Big call by the club in a crunch game - would have been much easier for him next week......Having said that.....GO YOU GOOD THING!
or last game vs GWS ::)
but anyhow hes in and good luck to him. :cheers
talk about a baptism of fire, AAMI, in the wet with the crows on the rebound, welcome to the bigtime son
Good luck to the kid. :thumbsup
Here's to another 200 for the kid. :thumbsup
Its the only way the kids learn. At least he plays a toughie first up and learns to adapt a game against lesser opponents in the following weeks.
One thing is for sure, Big Eeeevarn will protect him :thumbsup
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Congrats to Todd on getting the call up to make his AFL debut. Best of luck on Saturday :clapping.
Yeah hope he does really well. Tough gig.
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Graham is crap and any thought of bringing him in the side should not even be discussed.
Yep wish claw woukd shut up on this issue.
why because you disagree.
make no mistake ive been wanting the likes of graham and white chopped for yrs on end now and nothing has changed. but we are in the now and we do whats best for the long term. i make three points.
1/ who comes in if ivan goes down and we are puching for finals. hmm do i hear you say angus graham. wtf just throw him in the deepend probably when his form has drpped away and is pooe at coburg
2/ look at most clubs #1 ruckmen. most have been out injured at some stage this yr. sooner or later we will lose ivan for a game or two or even long term.
3/ ffs what does it say to everyone at coburg, and even worse in the team when the best players every week at coburg are just overlooked. white and graham are clearly not the future but what about a thing called culture and a thing called earning your spot. no one can say graham or white have not earnt a game.
we can play both at the drop of a hat and not lose a thing when one considers how badly out of form the players they would replace have been. ie vickery king nahas these blokes dont have to improve or become consistent because they know no one will be promoted.
jeezus we moan and groan me included when players we dont think are good enough get games or continue to get games, but bloody hell we all have to acknowledge when players deserve a call up like it or not.i dont like it but graham and white deserve a game. especially when the mantra out of the club was you have to earn it.
graham for vickery what do we lose. a side benefit from that is ivan gets to spend more time forward and is not run into the ground. graham will give something in the ruck unlike vickery and can do no worse forward atm.
white for one of nahas or king. what do you lose? the answer nothing. you actually drop players for poor performance and promote those who have earnt it at coburg now that is taking care of culture.
yep we need to both reward the good performances regardless of who they are like it or not, and we desperately need to keep pushing kids to the front at the same time because we are still very much at that stage.
its not all about this week or next week but the long term. something we do this week may well hurt us this week but long term will benefit us.
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Synopsis please.
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Synopsis please.
tldr, pls fwd me the memo. kthxbai.
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Synopsis please.
tldr, pls fwd me the memo. kthxbai.
k.
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Run it through babelfish, source language = Whine, target language = English
result
"keep developing kids at the expense of everything else."
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:lol
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Run it through babelfish, source language = Whine, target language = English
result
"keep developing kids at the expense of everything else."
hahahahahah you owe me a new computer. coffee all over it. :clapping
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Pretty canny selection this, the kid has hands like a steel trap and will prove a real handful for the crows third defender with jack and miller attracting all the attention...add some dry weather and whoa we could have a debut on our hands :shh
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Do teams seriously worry about Miller............ I think NOT.....FACT
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At their peril :shh
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At their peril :shh
Oh bojangles, you had me at hello :shh
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I have a poster of Miller on the back of every door in my house :shh
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VIDEO: Want to see why Todd Elton is debuting today? We (RFCO) put together a highlights package from his work at Coburg ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/464100/default.aspx
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Gee whiz, take a contested grab or something.
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Elton John's better than this dud
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just a kid who isnt ready based on his debut. has plenty of time to develop his game further.
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i love it how people bag his first game.
Why was he playing his debut today and not 2/3/4 weeks ago.
he is not ready and what Miller is. What a load of Skata
He should have played half dozen games by this stage and Miller shouldve played half dozen less.
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Agreed but dropping conca and leaving miller in is a bloody joke the RFC selection panel must seriously look at the stats each week i hope :huh
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i love it how people bag his first game.
Why was he playing his debut today and not 2/3/4 weeks ago.
he is not ready and what Miller is. What a load of Skata
He should have played half dozen games by this stage and Miller shouldve played half dozen less.
Absolutely right :thumbsup Another kid that will be dropped after being thrown into the deep end. He should have been held over till next week FCS!
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just a kid who isnt ready based on his debut. has plenty of time to develop his game further.
Bingo! Deserved his go but this level is beyond him this year. He's had a taste and now knows the huge gap between VFL and AFL. Send the kid back to Coburg for the rest of the season to develop and then another preseason to build up his body and strength.
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Selection committee owe me a new TV.
Should have been in for Miller. Playing both was suicide, especially when Adelaide started to triple team Jack..
Anyone bagging Todd Elton has rocks in there head.
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Was wrong to play him today in such a big game, ridiculous selection by the MC
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Not bagging todd elton but miller and elton together is suicide needed another option if u are bringing a new forward option
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Lord knows why griff hasnt been used a damn forward, we're crying out for another tall forward, leave batch in and push griff forward....pretty simple to me
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Batch and conca would have been good ins today
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Lord knows why griff hasnt been used a damn forward, we're crying out for another tall forward, leave batch in and push griff forward....pretty simple to me
I kept thinking in the last quarter. Do something Dimma.
move Griffiths or Lids to FF and Maric down back covering the hole.
griffiths needs to be tried in the F50 but then again when rances goes down every 2 mins like a tosser someone needs to keep their feet
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Lord knows why griff hasnt been used a damn forward, we're crying out for another tall forward, leave batch in and push griff forward....pretty simple to me
Dimma has no plan B Bo we have seen it in all our losing games. We either win or lose depending on our selections and pre-game planning.
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Lord knows why griff hasnt been used a damn forward, we're crying out for another tall forward, leave batch in and push griff forward....pretty simple to me
I kept thinking in the last quarter. Do something Dimma.
move Griffiths or Lids to FF and Maric down back covering the hole.
griffiths needs to be tried in the F50 but then again when rances goes down every 2 mins like a tosser someone needs to keep their feet
I thought that if he had been moved to a high half forward flank role he could have impacted. You got a bloke who can kick it 70 metres - so if your behind and if you cant score (and we couldnt after 1/4 time - plonk him forward and make him the go to man about 60 out from goal - who knows he could have snaffled a couple of cheap goals.
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Lord knows why griff hasnt been used a damn forward, we're crying out for another tall forward, leave batch in and push griff forward....pretty simple to me
I kept thinking in the last quarter. Do something Dimma.
move Griffiths or Lids to FF and Maric down back covering the hole.
griffiths needs to be tried in the F50 but then again when rances goes down every 2 mins like a tosser someone needs to keep their feet
I thought that if he had been moved to a high half forward flank role he could have impacted. You got a bloke who can kick it 70 metres - so if your behind and if you cant score (and we couldnt after 1/4 time - plonk him forward and make him the go to man about 60 out from goal - who knows he could have snaffled a couple of cheap goals.
Imagine Griff with that wind behind him!
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Your guys have no idea
Dimma did switch in last quarter
Switched from Water to Gatorade
Then moved himself from in the stand to the boundary
Very poor day for Dimma I thought
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Your guys have no idea
Dimma did switch in last quarter
Switched from Water to Gatorade
Then moved himself from in the stand to the boundary
Very poor day for Dimma I thought
No one is denying his coaching efforts after 1/4 time werent much chop. To be honest I would give him about a 3/10 for his coaching today.
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was not wrong to play this kid yeah he had a bad one. i would play him next week as well.
i scratch my head and ask why is their #1 defender in rutten playing on a first gamer why was nothing done about it.
why didnt riewoldt or miller tear them a new one when the best defender is on a kid.
what purpose did miller serve today talia went to jack rutten to elton who had miller. dont blame the first gamer blame the other two who should have capitalised on a very poor situation.
sheesh how poor was rance again today. fall over play from behind rance got another football lesson. how soft is houli back to old habits is the biggest front runner in the game thank Geez it was only a two yr contract he signed.
still think the way to alleviate the forward problems is start maric in a pocket and bring graham into the team. keep elton and give him a decent block of games pee miller off where he belongs what a deplorable player.
finally we will not win many games even against poor sides if our ball use and decision making does not dramatically improve theres only about 5 who use it well under pressure the rest are panic merchants.
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Was wrong to play him today in such a big game, ridiculous selection by the MC
Agree.
He wasn't ready, he had a real crack tho. He will be dropped and have his confidence destroyed.
Genius move MC..
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Was wrong to play him today in such a big game, ridiculous selection by the MC
Agree.
He wasn't ready, he had a real crack tho. He will be dropped and have his confidence destroyed.
Genius move MC..
I should correct my quote - I meant wrong to debut him in a game such as this, if he played a few weeks earlier he gets a taste and u know if he can handle it
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Should have played him against GWS. Seriously, are the blokes on our MC taking the pee? You bring in a kid for his first game against one of the best teams?? Is that the way to debut a kid according to our brains trust? Even Wallet has more sense.
Young Todd will still be a good player you'd think...shouldn't have played today though. That's not his fault so we shouldn't bag him. Bag the blokes that still make these mind boggling selections. "No more gifting games at Tigerland" Yeah, right....
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Just shows that we still lack a lot of depth.
Miller needs to go and we need to develop the young kids.
Maybe bring Batch back in and play Griff forward or put Astbury forward.
Elts will be a good player, just not ready yet.
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this kid should not be dropped for next week.
so he had just 4 touches geez griffiths had 5 his first game. griffiths did not have to play on the oppositions most experienced and best tall defender he should have been on the third tall what the hell happened to allow this situation that should be the real question not pointing the finger at a kid.
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Agree shouldn't be dropped showed some good signs.
Actually poor coaching by the tigers should of either put Elton in the goal square with Ruttan or moved Miller onto Ruttan. Ruttan was too big & strong for the kid. We played into the crows hands with that match up. But gee the kid will learn heaps from the experience
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Pointless playing Miller. Play the kids and find out if they can cut it.
Elton didn't do alot today but now he knows what it takes with a taste of the big time.
Give him another 2 game against the dees and gold coast.
Why not?... hes already better than Miller. :shh
Atleast by playing him you'll find out if he's got the potential to make it. If you don't play him you'll never really know. Plus these games are a far greater learning tool that anything he can get at Coburg.
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Agreed keep him in, didn't do a lot but needs time.
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Agree shouldn't be dropped showed some good signs.
Actually poor coaching by the tigers should of either put Elton in the goal square with Ruttan or moved Miller onto Ruttan. Ruttan was too big & strong for the kid. We played into the crows hands with that match up. But gee the kid will learn heaps from the experience
150% agree WP. Spot on.
Coaching staff stuffed up big time.
After wtr time Talia went to Jack and Rutten on Elton. Rest is history. RFC coaches box let Rutten and a spare man behind the ball do what they pleased. Not to mention Millers opponent doing what he liked and double teaming Jack.
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Looks likeba gun in the making i think.
Big fast tackles
Agile
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I thought he showed signs, but also felt like he played like a kid not quite ready to make the step up. while he has had some good form at coburg that form has been inconsitant. He doesnt seem to be able to put a full game together at the lower level so we should not expect too much, particularily against a top 4 side.
I'd like to see him given a couple of more games against Melbourne and the gold tops, but if he isnt getting many touches then he needs to go back to a lower level. It doesnt take too long for a kids confiedence to get shattered when he isnt touching the ball.
In the medium term we really need vickery to find some form, or derrickx to step up, if only for structure sake and to reduce ivans workload.
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Agree need Vickery up and firing. Agree continue to play Elton. Miller is doing nothing, drop him.
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Leave him in ffs, first game, give him a go, thought he actually went hard at the contest....certainly was not the reason we lost!
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Leave him in ffs, first game, give him a go, thought he actually went hard at the contest....certainly was not the reason we lost!
actually his direct Opponent Rutten crucified us in the 2nd half :thumbsup but I will not hang a 1st gamer, was wrong to debut him in such a big game imo, would've been perfect to play him next 2 weeks against melb and GC where the intensity won't be so high
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Leave him in ffs, first game, give him a go, thought he actually went hard at the contest....certainly was not the reason we lost!
actually his direct Opponent Rutten crucified us in the 2nd half :thumbsup but I will not hang a 1st gamer, was wrong to debut him in such a big game imo, would've been perfect to play him next 2 weeks against melb and GC where the intensity won't be so high
Yeah Rutten just killed our HF line actually, cut off our forward pay completely.
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VIDEO: Elton on the preseason ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2012-12-20/elton-on-preseason
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He was like Pablo maldini.
I remember miller being uber rubbish
Leave him in ffs, first game, give him a go, thought he actually went hard at the contest....certainly was not the reason we lost!
actually his direct Opponent Rutten crucified us in the 2nd half :thumbsup but I will not hang a 1st gamer, was wrong to debut him in such a big game imo, would've been perfect to play him next 2 weeks against melb and GC where the intensity won't be so high
Yeah Rutten just killed our HF line actually, cut off our forward pay completely.
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At least 10 games next year. :-\
A tad optimistic young lad.
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He weighs 97kg now
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He weighs 97kg now
Was terrible in the Adelaide game
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He weighs 97kg now
Was terrible in the Adelaide game
Shouldn,t have played.
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I wouldnt lose too much sleep over that, it was his first game, took a good pack mark on the wing ...he has hands like a steel trap this kid and a good frame on him that will fill out, I wouldnt be writing him off, believe you me :shh
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He weighs 97kg now
Was terrible in the Adelaide game
Shouldn,t have played.
Shouldn't have played at all this year. Not ready. Don't think he'll ever be a ruckman.
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
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VIDEO: Elton on the preseason ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2012-12-20/elton-on-preseason
How do you access the RFC website on an iPhone? Goes to a crappy site that hardly ever updates and tells me to download the app. I've already got the app but when I click on the app it keeps loading and doesn't entirely update. Disappointing to say the least as I can't watch the video on my iPhone.
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Took a mark at training. This bloke is flying just quietly :shh
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“Ever since the off-season, I had to be in the gym four times a week, so it’s been pretty full-on,” he said. “Even with the nutritionist, Kylie, she’s got me eating as much as I can. It’s been pretty much all about weight gain for me . . . it’s been good.” - Todd Elton
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-12-20/todd-tucks-in
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
Clearly not ready last season but I'm expecting more in yr 2.
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He weighs 97kg now
Was terrible in the Adelaide game
Yeah he should have dominated in his first game
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He weighs 97kg now
Was terrible in the Adelaide game
Yeah he should have dominated in his first game
No but he should've had more impact
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Yep, let's hang the guy that is part of our development .....
More impact...you clown, honestly, we have players in our team week to week that should have more impact...
:sleep :-* :police: :whistle :birthday :huh :bow
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Yep, let's hang the guy that is part of our development .....
More impact...you clown, honestly, we have players in our team week to week that should have more impact...
:sleep :-* :police: :whistle :birthday :huh :bow
Would you be happy to get 30 goals in a season from this bloke? :clapping
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
Clearly not ready last season but I'm expecting more in yr 2.
Dominate some Coburg games would be nice.Small steps.
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Yep, let's hang the guy that is part of our development .....
More impact...you clown, honestly, we have players in our team week to week that should have more impact...
:sleep :-* :police: :whistle :birthday :huh :bow
Here here
Like the impact Edwards had in most of his first 75 games
Ditto Hackson and Gus
The only issue with Elton was Hardwick should not have played him
Was a risk in an important game
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
Clearly not ready last season but I'm expecting more in yr 2.
I'm not. Year 4 is when I'm expecting a decent impact. Can't expect too much from a 19-20 year old KPP. Has good attributes.
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
Clearly not ready last season but I'm expecting more in yr 2.
Yeah, I'm expecting more out of your boyfriend in year 7 too.
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
Clearly not ready last season but I'm expecting more in yr 2.
Yeah, I'm expecting more out of your boyfriend in year 7 too.
:huh
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
Clearly not ready last season but I'm expecting more in yr 2.
I'm not. Year 4 is when I'm expecting a decent impact. Can't expect too much from a 19-20 year old KPP. Has good attributes.
This post...
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
Clearly not ready last season but I'm expecting more in yr 2.
I'm not. Year 4 is when I'm expecting a decent impact. Can't expect too much from a 19-20 year old KPP. Has good attributes.
Maybe. You'll be surprised how many kpf's had an impact in their 2nd season over the years. I am expecting improvement from Todd even if it is only at Coburg.
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Not writing him off at all.In fact i reckon he was a steal at 26.Just not ready last year and not quite ready for 10 games next year.
Clearly not ready last season but I'm expecting more in yr 2.
I'm not. Year 4 is when I'm expecting a decent impact. Can't expect too much from a 19-20 year old KPP. Has good attributes.
Maybe. You'll be surprised how many kpf's had an impact in their 2nd season over the years. I am expecting improvement from Todd even if it is only at Coburg.
True but the game is played at such a high professional standard now with complex structures and game plans that only the top few draft choices occasionally have an impact in year 2. In the past a talent could come in and make a big impact. Not so much anymore.
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The jury is out
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waaaaay too early to make the call....shows a little bit but needs at least a couple of seasons in the system to develop physically & I'd be happy to see him progress at Bergers with a handful of games in the ones to get more of a taste...looks a decent long term prospect & seems to have a good attitude...agree that his third or fourth year is where we should be expecting an impact
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Elton
Astbury.
A Edwards
Coburg forward options looking Solid.
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Elton
Astbury.
A Edwards
Coburg forward options looking Solid.
Need a solid hff to round that forward line off that can also play a tagging role in the midfield, go Jacko :gotigers
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Elton
Astbury.
A Edwards
Coburg forward options looking Solid.
Need a solid hff to round that forward line off that can also play a tagging role in the midfield, go Jacko :gotigers
Pettard / onhanlon hffs
King / nahas defensive forwards
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Is he a genuine mid?
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Next to Ellis and Nahas, Elton looks a man monster...
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426944_10151348236833276_1073035941_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151348236833276&set=a.10151348234853276.502029.298686323275&type=3&theater
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whoa, becoming the unit we always expected :clapping
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
:ROTFL classic
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Is he a genuine mid?
ruckman 8)
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
Gold.
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
:rollin
Next week on When Football's attack....
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
Well at least they can call themselves blokes 8)
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
Well at least they can call themselves blokes 8)
Unlike post
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:cheers :cheers
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
would definately give more in the air than vickery atm. :o
we had this debate last yr but i have to ask again how long do we keep on rewarding mediocre senior performances. ffs mcguane is out performing the big marshmallow vickery. When do we demand some semblance of decent form and consistency. give elton a game if only for the experience atm. time to stop gifting games.
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if we gave elton a game just for the experience, would that not be gifting a game?
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Pretty excited about Elton, reminds me of a young Alan Edwards :shh
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
would definately give more in the air than vickery atm. :o
we had this debate last yr but i have to ask again how long do we keep on rewarding mediocre senior performances. ffs mcguane is out performing the big marshmallow vickery. When do we demand some semblance of decent form and consistency. give elton a game if only for the experience atm. time to stop gifting games.
Who has been gifted a game? Vickery played well last week and average until he was subbed this week? And McGuane has done more than enough to earn and keep his spot in both games. Seems to me you want to gift games to players because you have prejudices against some.
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:clapping
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Elton's 3 against Saints reserves who don't have a KPD in the seniors let alone ressies>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vickery's 3 on Henderderp
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Looks like three blokes being attacked by a footy.
would definately give more in the air than vickery atm. :o
we had this debate last yr but i have to ask again how long do we keep on rewarding mediocre senior performances. ffs mcguane is out performing the big marshmallow vickery. When do we demand some semblance of decent form and consistency. give elton a game if only for the experience atm. time to stop gifting games.
Who has been gifted a game? Vickery played well last week and average until he was subbed this week? And McGuane has done more than enough to earn and keep his spot in both games. Seems to me you want to gift games to players because you have prejudices against some.
I remember when JR was inconsistent and was getting dropped to Coburg, but when he did he was dominating and kicking bags of goals, when Elton can perform at a consistent high level at Coburg then he deserves a game.
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My prediction for BOG for the burgers this week :shh
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My prediction for BOG for the burgers this week :shh
Especially if Markovic plays on him. :shh
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My prediction for BOG for the burgers this week :shh
My prediction is that Claw hopes we lose and Vickery has a stinker
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My prediction for BOG for the burgers this week :shh
My prediction is that Claw hopes we lose and Vickery has a stinker
I detect mutiny aboard the tiger train. :banghead
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If this boy can continue his development the ceiling is very high. KPPs always take a little longer to develop (except for freaks).
We should be excited about him and McBean forming a forward duo! :cheers
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How good for us would it be if mcbean and elton make huge strides this season....what a forward line...claw might get his wish and see Ty edged out..lol
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He's getting there guys...he's getting there :)
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He's getting there guys...he's getting there :)
Mcbeannnnnn
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bit more of a lump of a lad than beaner
tradional CHF type imo
Toddy :thumbsup
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Could be a chance this week?? Liam is definitely out with his ankle :(
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Todd Elton in focus
richmondfc.com.au
October 21, 2013
Tim Clarke says: “Toddy Elton had a bit of an up-and-down year.
“He got moved down back early, just to see how he was in terms of his competitiveness, and that worked.
“He played some really good games there, but then we moved him back to the forward line, where we needed to see him come through and play at senior (AFL) level, and he had some games late in the season where he had five or six shots on goal. But it was sort of 1.4 and 2.3, so he didn’t convert his opportunities.
“It’s a big year for him in 2014. He’s going to have to stand up and play some good football in order for him to stay on the list.”
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-21/todd-elton-in-focus
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Like a candle in the wind.
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That's a fairly big call - he's only been on the list for 2 years and 2014 could be his last year?
I remember this kid crunching packs in his first NAB cup match last year - I'm hoping for big things in 2014
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Need to play him on the wing. He is very mobile for his height. Put McBean on the other wing for the most unusual centre line you'd ever see! ;D
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Too young to start calling for his axing yet I feel. Needs to make improvement obviously but surely he needs more than one more year before his papers are stamped?!
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That's a fairly big call - he's only been on the list for 2 years and 2014 could be his last year?
I remember this kid crunching packs in his first NAB cup match last year - I'm hoping for big things in 2014
I think it's giving him a rocket to get his arse in gear so we don't get another Griffiths situation.
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Does it need to be so public?
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Todd Elton in focus
richmondfc.com.au
October 21, 2013
Tim Clarke says: “Toddy Elton had a bit of an up-and-down year.
“He got moved down back early, just to see how he was in terms of his competitiveness, and that worked.
“He played some really good games there, but then we moved him back to the forward line, where we needed to see him come through and play at senior (AFL) level, and he had some games late in the season where he had five or six shots on goal. But it was sort of 1.4 and 2.3, so he didn’t convert his opportunities.
“It’s a big year for him in 2014. He’s going to have to stand up and play some good football in order for him to stay on the list.”
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-21/todd-elton-in-focus
How about you look in your backyard pal because last time i checked your record aint much chop either
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Does it need to be so public?
Possibly not. But the coaching staff would know what he responds best to. If they thought it would have a negative impact then I'm sure they wouldn't.
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And if it wasn't public the usual whingers would carry on about us not making tough calls on players and not being honest :lol (http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/baby.gif)
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And if it wasn't public the usual whingers would carry on about us not making tough calls on players and not being honest :lol (http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/baby.gif)
:lol
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And if it wasn't public the usual whingers would carry on about us not making tough calls on players and not being honest :lol (http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/baby.gif)
To be fair on Tim Clarke, be has been consistent with similar challenges on many young players. Tough but fair :thumbsup
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This is the best emote ever (http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/baby.gif)
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This is the best emote ever (http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/baby.gif)
Must be added so I don't have to keep grabbing the link :banghead
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This is the best emote ever (http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/baby.gif)
Are you sure that is a dummy? :huh
It looks like something else
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Did anyone watch Eltons game yesterday? any views as to where he is at? i saw him on the bench with an iced shoulder at one stage.
Played a good game vs Box Hill......
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Did anyone watch Eltons game yesterday? any views as to where he is at? i saw him on the bench with an iced shoulder at one stage.
Played a good game vs Box Hill......
I think the shoulder may be a nasty one, hopefully not though
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Had been informed by a family friend young Todd is a upstanding gentleman.
Would he not offer more the ruck than Hampson?
More enthusiasm and agility than a Chaplin down back?
More potential and hope than edwards Aaron forward?
Is hardwick blinded by trying to get off the bottom on the table - instead of focusing on what is overall best for the club?
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Will never amount to anything if he doesn't learn how to kick. Just horrible to watch when he's lining up the big sticks
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Guys I reckon you are being way to harsh on chaplin at the moment.I think he has turned his season around
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sorry G was talking about Elton
but just for the record - Chaplin is no good :)
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Would rather see him get a game than gifting Aaron Edwards more games. If he performs, its a win, if he doesn't, well see Aaron Edwards. Nothing to lose.
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Need to develop him into a CHB in the mould of Carlisle. Could be our answer to the big forward gorillas. Nothing to lose as the kid is a good grab and is very agile for his size.
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Swap him for Hampson, don't care if he doesn't get a possession
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Guys I reckon you are being way to harsh on chaplin at the moment.I think he has turned his season around
I respectfully disagree
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VIDEO: Choco's cub watch: Todd Elton ....
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-17/choco-cub-watch-elton
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Elton on song
richmondfc.com.au
17 July 2014
A marked increase in his competitive levels, combined with the capacity to play a variety of on-field roles, has given developing Tiger ‘tall’ Todd Elton a real chance of making it at the game’s highest level.
He’s spent the past two years working on his game at VFL level, but Richmond’s senior development coach, Mark Williams, believes he’s now making good progress and an AFL return isn’t far away for the 21-year-old.
Read more and view the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-17/elton-on-song
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After watching him live last week he'd be the first to be delisted!!
Jayden Post mark 2.
I can't believe the spin the club puts out!!
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After watching him live last week he'd be the first to be delisted!!
Jayden Post mark 2.
I can't believe the spin the club puts out!!
I did not see him last week but have seen him in other games and has shown a bit. Might have had a really poor day. Is a very good size now and can take a grab.
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After watching him live last week he'd be the first to be delisted!!
Jayden Post mark 2.
I can't believe the spin the club puts out!!
I did not see him last week but have seen him in other games and has shown a bit. Might have had a really poor day. Is a very good size now and can take a grab.
I've only seen him live 3 times this year and in all 3 games he's looked right out of his depth even at VFL level. Yes he can take a mark hence the Jsydrn Post comment but he really needs to start getting more involved, just doesn't look like he wants to be out there IMO...
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VIDEO: Choco's cub watch: Todd Elton ....
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-17/choco-cub-watch-elton
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Elton on song
richmondfc.com.au
17 July 2014
A marked increase in his competitive levels, combined with the capacity to play a variety of on-field roles, has given developing Tiger ‘tall’ Todd Elton a real chance of making it at the game’s highest level.
He’s spent the past two years working on his game at VFL level, but Richmond’s senior development coach, Mark Williams, believes he’s now making good progress and an AFL return isn’t far away for the 21-year-old.
Read more and view the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-17/elton-on-song
Chocco doesn't look convinced to me.
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After watching him live last week he'd be the first to be delisted!!
Jayden Post mark 2.
I can't believe the spin the club puts out!!
I did not see him last week but have seen him in other games and has shown a bit. Might have had a really poor day. Is a very good size now and can take a grab.
I've only seen him live 3 times this year and in all 3 games he's looked right out of his depth even at VFL level. Yes he can take a mark hence the Jsydrn Post comment but he really needs to start getting more involved, just doesn't look like he wants to be out there IMO...
That's because his dream of playing AFL has disintegrated. One game in 3 years has not encouraged him to try harder...
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Looked a bit lost the 1 time I saw him play in the VFL. He did have a pretty good game for us in the NAB at one stage though didn't he?
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Can take a mark and has a bit of mongrel but can't read the game at all and has no real feel for it, is also absolutely useless at ground level, can't kick for poo and has hardly improved in three years. Next.
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Can take a mark and has a bit of mongrel but can't read the game at all and has no real feel for it, is also absolutely useless at ground level, can't kick for poo and has hardly improved in three years. Next.
Should have filled the side up with his type a few months ago and we would have snared the top draft pick
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Can take a mark and has a bit of mongrel but can't read the game at all and has no real feel for it, is also absolutely useless at ground level, can't kick for poo and has hardly improved in three years. Next.
Should have filled the side up with his type a few months ago and we would have snared the top draft pick
Would still play him ahead of Hamspud.
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I'd play Jack Dyer's corpse before Hampson.
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I'd play Jack Dyer's corpse before Hampson.
X 2
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I'd play Jack Dyer's corpse before Hampson.
X 2
When did Hampson last play? It's a bit hard to take his spot when he isn't playing.
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I'd play Jack Dyer's corpse before Hampson.
X 2
When did Hampson last play? It's a bit hard to take his spot when he isn't playing.
Who said he was?
....and Jack Dyer's corpse isn't even on our list.......yet...
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I'd play Jack Dyer's corpse before Hampson.
X 2
When did Hampson last play? It's a bit hard to take his spot when he isn't playing.
Who said he was?
....and Jack Dyer's corpse isn't even on our list. Yet.
Chuck17.... Said replace Hampson with Elton. It's on the last page.
If Todd was to get a game he would have to take someone else's spot.
I hope that clears things up for you.
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I'd play Jack Dyer's corpse before Hampson.
X 2
When did Hampson last play? It's a bit hard to take his spot when he isn't playing.
Who said he was?
....and Jack Dyer's corpse isn't even on our list.......yet...
I've heard they like the experience and leadership he could bring to the list though.
Could definitely play a role. :shh
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I'd play Jack Dyer's corpse before Hampson.
X 2
When did Hampson last play? It's a bit hard to take his spot when he isn't playing.
Who said he was?
....and Jack Dyer's corpse isn't even on our list. Yet.
Chuck17.... Said replace Hampson with Elton. It's on the last page.
If Todd was to get a game he would have to take someone else's spot.
I hope that clears things up for you.
Then why didn't you quote that post - which btw, was written nearly a month ago when he was playing in the seniors.....day after the Sydney game in fact... ?
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I'd play Jack Dyer's corpse before Hampson.
X 2
When did Hampson last play? It's a bit hard to take his spot when he isn't playing.
Who said he was?
....and Jack Dyer's corpse isn't even on our list. Yet.
Chuck17.... Said replace Hampson with Elton. It's on the last page.
If Todd was to get a game he would have to take someone else's spot.
I hope that clears things up for you.
Thread hasn't moved a lot since my post over a month ago.
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hes athletic, takes a good grab, for his size id say quick, great size for a kpp 197/100 yet duds like vickery, hampson and griffiths stop him getting a game. i know hes a junior but what the hell is going on here.
21 yo in what yr 3 with no real improvement to be seen. now that is the real concern. is it development, recruitment, or both.
we cant just sit back and keep players who show such little incremental improvement. geez yr 4 coming up and id want even my talls to be showing something. gottta keep him but ffs the alarm bells have to be ringing. another player we hope will make it instead of being able to say with some sort of certainty that yes he will be a decent player.
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I reckon if we going to dig up anyone it should be the galloping gasometer mick Nolan - can we get him under unrestricted free agency?
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I reckon if we going to dig up anyone it should be the galloping gasometer mick Nolan - can we get him under unrestricted free agency?
I'm pretty sure he would have plenty of free time on his hands nowadays, although his condition might not be holding up the best.
And not sure how we would go when we show the AFL his Birth and Death certificates when we try to register him!
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How did people see his game on the weekend one thing I noticed he has put pn alot of size.
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Looked exciting in his first year at the club. Based on last weekends performance, delist.
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would like to see him back (over chaplin) or ruck (over maric)
in the category where could look very silly to delist at this age - given what he could do in two/three years
Josh Bootsma, Adam Tomlinson, Jonathon Patton went ahead of him in the draft, not yet world class in their own right.
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One more year
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I often forget he is even on the list.
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Todd who ?
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Is crap - plays like an international rookie or a basketballer still trying to learn the game. Looks even less comfortable than Dea used to.
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Is crap - plays like an international rookie or a basketballer still trying to learn the game. Looks even less comfortable than Dea used to.
Soooooo an upgrade on Hampson then?
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Is crap - plays like an international rookie or a basketballer still trying to learn the game. Looks even less comfortable than Dea used to.
From what I've heard he is dumb and just doesn't understand dfooty.
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Is crap - plays like an international rookie or a basketballer still trying to learn the game. Looks even less comfortable than Dea used to.
From what I've heard he is dumb and just doesn't understand dfooty.
Soooooooo more of an idea than Hampson then
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What's dfooty? Is there an L-isomer too?
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What's dfooty? Is there an L-isomer too?
dfat dfingers ;D
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dfunniest page on dforum
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d :lol
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Going ok down back.
Maybe the guy to play on the uber talls of future opposition?
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One good game let's not get carried away
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Likelihood of being delisted a the end of the year? Really hasn't done diddly squat, even for a tall that are meant to 'take a few years.'
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One good game let's not get carried away
That's an automatic two year extension at Richmond.
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rance grimes +
astbury elton darrou mcintosh
chaplin is lucky hes a favorite :whistle
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Like it or not Chaplin is our second best defender.
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Grimes is a gun.
Astbury could be anything
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Grimes is only just starting to show decent form and Astbury is out injured (coming back). Sorry but those two fight it out for our 3rd best defender for now and if they both surpass Chaplin I couldn't be happier
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when will he get another game?
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In time.
Back six is rock solid at the minute. No need for a disruption.
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when will he get another game?
When Rance leaves.
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when will he get another game?
When Rance leaves.
oh dear
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How did we feel about Todd Elton's game?
I'm glad he got a run and would play him again next week for sure.
Shame he wasn't in the team by mid-year when we were clearly stuffed. At least we'd have a better idea if he's a preferable option to Astbury/Vickery/Griffiths...
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How did we feel about Todd Elton's game?
I'm glad he got a run and would play him again next week for sure.
Shame he wasn't in the team by mid-year when we were clearly stuffed. At least we'd have a better idea if he's a preferable option to Astbury/Vickery/Griffiths...
Looked a lot better when he went up the ground a bit; clunked a few good grabs. But still looks very lost at times
Don't think he'd want to watch the tap of the sitter he dropped in the goal square in the 2nd qtr :facepalm
Play him next week
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How long has this fellow been playing footy? Was he playing darts as a junior and is he new to footy?
He is a first round pick 23 (Not a late pick). But in good RFC tradition, like Astbury, had absolutely no idea what he's doing out on the field despite being in the RFC system for 4 or 5 years.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
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How long has this fellow been playing footy? Was he playing darts as a junior and is he new to footy?
He is a first round pick 23 (Not a late pick). But in good RFC tradition, like Astbury, had absolutely no idea what he's doing out on the field despite being in the RFC system for 4 or 5 years.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
This. Astbury and Elton were strong marking forwards as juniors and we try to turn them into spoiling defenders.
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How did we feel about Todd Elton's game?
I'm glad he got a run and would play him again next week for sure.
Shame he wasn't in the team by mid-year when we were clearly stuffed. At least we'd have a better idea if he's a preferable option to Astbury/Vickery/Griffiths...
Looked a lot better when he went up the ground a bit; clunked a few good grabs. But still looks very lost at times
Don't think he'd want to watch the tap of the sitter he dropped in the goal square in the 2nd qtr :facepalm
Play him next week
Probably found it difficult being trained as a backmen for 3-4 years then plays not even half a season forward and finally gets a game again, in a team with the worst structures going around (worse than our VFL team :banghead)
Saying that, he's dropped sitter was pretty bad :lol. Benefit of the doubt though he was the only one who read the ball perfectly and jumped at it and has shown he can take a good grab so it was hopefully not a common thing like trampoline hands Vickery
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pretty much like our talls ty and griffo id play him next week and that will be his last game for the club lets be honest there probably wouldn't get a game at any other afl club
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pretty much like our talls ty and griffo id play him next week and that will be his last game for the club lets be honest there probably wouldn't get a game at any other afl club
He's got another year to run on his contract
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Now we're doing the same thing with Mabior. Why are we doing this to players? Play them forward then back and then forward again. They are never left to settle and for team mates to learn their leading patterns and for them to understand how certain players kick the ball.....
We should be teaching them how to defend in their current position. You don't need to learn how to defend in defence! Were Puopulo, Gunston and Cyril played in the backline at Hawthorn? :rollin
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Elton clunked seven marks, including a game-high four contested grabs, scored his first goal in league football, and provided a strong contest up forward throughout.
“We’re trying some young blokes up forward, which is new and exciting. But they’re going to take some time,” Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said in his post-game press conference.
“Toddy Elton takes four contested marks . . . probably drops one of the easiest marks I’ve seen, in the goal-square, but showed some signs.
“He probably should have kicked three (goals), really . . . dropped that one (mark) in the goal-square, and kicked 1.1.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-22/new-tiger-talls-show-promise
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Now we're doing the same thing with Mabior. Why are we doing this to players? Play them forward then back and then forward again. They are never left to settle and for team mates to learn their leading patterns and for them to understand how certain players kick the ball.....
We should be teaching them how to defend in their current position. You don't need to learn how to defend in defence! Were Puopulo, Gunston and Cyril played in the backline at Hawthorn? :rollin
Agree
After watching the VFL yest, mabior is a gun if he gets some space plus does some nice 1%ers.
The team structure for AFL and VFL is a dogs breakfast.
Elton needs a few games to get the run of things, will he be any good? who knows.
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We should be teaching them how to defend in their current position. You don't need to learn how to defend in defence! Were Puopulo, Gunston and Cyril played in the backline at Hawthorn? :rollin
Wasn't Poppy a back pocket player at first?
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We should be teaching them how to defend in their current position. You don't need to learn how to defend in defence! Were Puopulo, Gunston and Cyril played in the backline at Hawthorn? :rollin
Wasn't Poppy a back pocket player at first?
:clapping
You're right Yeahright. However, the others mentioned never played back. ;D
You know what I'm trying to say though! :thumbsup
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We should be teaching them how to defend in their current position. You don't need to learn how to defend in defence! Were Puopulo, Gunston and Cyril played in the backline at Hawthorn? :rollin
Wasn't Poppy a back pocket player at first?
:clapping
You're right Yeahright. However, the others mentioned never played back. ;D
You know what I'm trying to say though! :thumbsup
Gunston also started at CHB, but that was at Adelaide ... but we know what you are trying to say, even though its completely wrong ... ;D
I don't mind starting young blokes in defence, if they aren't man enough to defend we can de-list them immediately! It can save years ... cough ... Vickery ... cough ...
Daniel Rioli was never thrown into defence, but he's a special case! In his family he had to grow up tackling or he never got a kick!
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We should be teaching them how to defend in their current position. You don't need to learn how to defend in defence! Were Puopulo, Gunston and Cyril played in the backline at Hawthorn? :rollin
Wasn't Poppy a back pocket player at first?
:clapping
You're right Yeahright. However, the others mentioned never played back. ;D
You know what I'm trying to say though! :thumbsup
Gunston also started at CHB, but that was at Adelaide ... but we know what you are trying to say, even though its completely wrong ... ;D
I don't mind starting young blokes in defence, if they aren't man enough to defend we can de-list them immediately! It can save years ... cough ... Vickery ... cough ...
Daniel Rioli was never thrown into defence, but he's a special case! In his family he had to grow up tackling or he never got a kick!
I can remember Gunston kicking 5 against us in his second year. I'm pretty sure he never spent a season or even more than a few games down back. His first game was up forward and he mainly played as a mid as a junior till he shot up in height.
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Think both PAv and nick won aa in backline
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Think both PAv and nick won aa in backline
You are now talking about the very best footballers.
Hell, they could play anywhere and be AA.
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Pretty sure Pavlich's the only player to be named AA on all three lines.
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We should be teaching them how to defend in their current position. You don't need to learn how to defend in defence! Were Puopulo, Gunston and Cyril played in the backline at Hawthorn? :rollin
Wasn't Poppy a back pocket player at first?
:clapping
You're right Yeahright. However, the others mentioned never played back. ;D
You know what I'm trying to say though! :thumbsup
No I don't
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We should be teaching them how to defend in their current position. You don't need to learn how to defend in defence! Were Puopulo, Gunston and Cyril played in the backline at Hawthorn? :rollin
Wasn't Poppy a back pocket player at first?
:clapping
You're right Yeahright. However, the others mentioned never played back. ;D
You know what I'm trying to say though! :thumbsup
No I don't
Let me help you since you don't. Hardwick is obsessed with playing forwards down back to learn to defend. Then they swap them back and forth not settling in any position.
Examples are:
Ben Griffiths: Played forward as that is the position he played as a junior. Then he spent a year down back. Then he is banished into the reserves. Then he is played as a part time forward and part time ruck. I would argue if he left him up forward and backed him in, he would be a better forward now.
Ben Lennon. AA under 18 forward. Played forward a little then played in the backline as a half back flanker. Then as a forward again. Then I don't even know - ? winger/ hbf and hff in the same game. I would argue that if you left him on the hff or forward pocket and let him play there consistently we would see a far more settled player.
Todd Elton: Played as a forward as a junior. Played initially forward by Hardwick. Played one senior game. Banished to reserves and then was thrown down back and he was brought back for one senior game as a backman and then dropped again. Then played as a forward...
I think this is a poor development scheme for forwards and one that Hardwick has employed. That is what I'm trying to say. Get it now?
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I was actually taking the mickey, I got your point :lol
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I doubt any player can really improve with Dumma's "blueprint to success" game plan process model, even the elite are somewhat stymied despite there exceptional ability
I used to think the Dee's had the worst development in the competition but we are definitely the worst.
.......but let's keep Chocco because he's awesome too. :rollin
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I doubt any player can really improve with Dumma's "blueprint to success" game plan process model, even the elite are somewhat stymied despite there exceptional ability
I used to think the Dee's had the worst development in the competition but we are definitely the worst.
.......but let's keep Chocco because he's awesome too. :rollin
Funny you should mention that.
Melbourne gave Mark Williams (the lesser) the flick as their development coach and we picked him up and promoted him to be our Forwards Assistant coach.
Ya gotta laugh.
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Watching him kid is like watching AusKick kids having fun kicking it any which way but the right way :rollin
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Todd ELTON (Dandenong Stingrays)
DOB: 29/4/93. Ht: 197cm. Wt: 92kg.
Pos: Tall forward.
"Todd is a 197cm ruckman-forward type who is very athletic, great below his knees, has a good capacity to run and has good speed for his size. Has lots of developing to do, mind you, but that's not a downside, that's just where he's at. He's got to be able to overcome players who are physical on him and I think he started to learn that towards the end of the season when opposition teams were putting their best backman on him and really challenging him. He's certainly going to be a project player but there's lots of upside because of his height, agility and adaptability." - Dandenong Stingrays coach Graeme Yeats.
AIS/AFL Academy member 2011. Vic Country representative 2011.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvvErdm82Qs
Wow. 4 years in the system now he can't mark, doesnt tackle "because we aren't a tackling team" & consistently struggles to impact games.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping :gotigers
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Its just been a disaster....he make Griffiths look like Matthew Richardson.
Imagine if we went with the best available midfielder at pick 27
No wonder the club goes crazy with moneyball types .
At least Miller and Aaron Edwards were tough and had a go .
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Aaron Edwards was soft as butter.
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Aaron Edwards was soft as butter left out of the fridge
EFA
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Aaron Edwards was soft as butter left out of the fridge in January.
EFA
e.a.f.f.a
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Aaron Edwards was soft as butter.
aaron Edwards hahaha what a boom recruit that was but must say his misses was great to look at on the family days :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop
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Its just been a disaster....he make Griffiths look like Matthew Richardson.
Imagine if we went with the best available midfielder at pick 27
No wonder the club goes crazy with moneyball types .
Could have had the pick of Kerridge (pick 27), Yeo (30), Hamling (32) or Hill (33)
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Aaron Edwards was soft as butter.
"Richmond home of the list blocker"
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Now or never for Elton.
Richmond has turned to Todd Elton as a replacement for concussed tall forward Ben Griffiths in this Saturday afternoon’s Round 3 clash with West Coast at the MCG.
It will be just the fifth senior appearance for Elton, who made his AFL debut with the Tigers back in 2012.
Elton, 23, 197cm and 101kg, has earned his promotion to senior ranks after displaying solid form up forward for the Richmond VFL team in recent practice matches.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-04-06/round-3-team-announcement
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1 game to prove yourself....but hey don't stress, ok.
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Yeh 23, gotta start performing. Reckon he might just snag a couple.
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Crash packs and bring the ball to ground will be his role. Hope he goes well.
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Last chance saloon for Reggie Dwight....
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If the effort is there give him at least 3 games
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Todd Elton getting in the zone:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C82-W2aUIAANpG0.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/850545238401662976
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never again...he can take lennon back to the vfl with him
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Looked a fair way off it today, he used to be athletic, looks pretty slow and cumbersome now?
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Come back Benny....all is forgiven.....
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Basically we are in trouble with key position players.
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Keep Martin, get Lever & Schache and we'd be flag contenders (or runners-up to GWS contenders at least...)
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Hahahah !! Oh god some supporters make me laugh. I don't believe we are close to contending until we play the top teams and at this stage that looks like geelong, Adelaide, port Adelaide, gws and the doggies. Love the new style and the new found hunger and pressure but she's a long season.
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Hahahah !! Oh god some supporters make me laugh. I don't believe we are close to contending until we play the top teams and at this stage that looks like geelong, Adelaide, port Adelaide, gws and the doggies. Love the new style and the new found hunger and pressure but she's a long season.
Geelong arn't that good. Lucky to win today. Who have they beaten? Dogs won't win the flag on their current form, will be lucky to make top 4. Adelaide look the goods, that'll be a test. Port also in good form.
Who is getting ahead of themselves though? Felt like the forum was just enjoying a good win for the night?
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Geelong weren't lucky they fought back hard to win.
The guy above me. 2 players and suddenly we're contenders for the flag? Don't think so, would love if that was the case but to be honest I don't have a lot of faith in Hardwick
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We'll probably go close this year...... :shh
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Geelong weren't lucky they fought back hard to win.
We saw different games then, Melbourne coughed that one up something shocking. I thoroughly enjoyed it :santa
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Melbourne kicked themselves out of it.....
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Did west coast and Collingwood cough it up against us too ? Or is it the oppositions pressure.. interesting debate. At least we have something to talk about in the Tod Elton thread.
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Geelong weren't lucky they fought back hard to win.
We saw different games then, Melbourne coughed that one up something shocking. I thoroughly enjoyed it :santa
haha agreed
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He'll probably get another crack at it next week - you'd think Benny will have a bit of time off. If he struggles again next week, its Chol time. We've really got to rotate and give Chol and Moore a crack at it this season
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He'll probably get another crack at it next week - you'd think Benny will have a bit of time off. If he struggles again next week, its Chol time. We've really got to rotate and give Chol and Moore a crack at it this season
Did you watch the VFL today? If you did you would know it's not yet Chol or Moore time.
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Did west coast and Collingwood cough it up against us too ? Or is it the oppositions pressure.. interesting debate. At least we have something to talk about in the Tod Elton thread.
I'd say Gawn going down would've also been a huge factor in the result...
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The tall stocks on the list is pretty concerning. The remaining big options are all fairly speculative picks and long shots; Chol, Garthwaite, Soldo, Moore ...
Elton is problematic.
Griffiths gets knocked out every five minuets
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He'll probably get another crack at it next week - you'd think Benny will have a bit of time off. If he struggles again next week, its Chol time. We've really got to rotate and give Chol and Moore a crack at it this season
Did you watch the VFL today? If you did you would know it's not yet Chol or Moore time.
No I didn't and even if I did I wouldn't judge them on a game where we got done by 12 goals, I also would cut Chol bit of slack given he got ko'd last week.. Chol has been pretty good this preseason and deserves a crack, and I'm sure at some stage this season Moore will deserve a shot too.
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Come back Benny....all is forgiven.....
:lol
Elton Struggled. :rollin
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I haven't seen the game yet as I'm moving house and could only listen to it on the radio.
So I make these comments without really knowing just how ordinary Elton was but regardless of that I think he deserves a couple of games to get the pace of it at least.
No one else is bashing the door down so why wouldn't you persist with this guy for a few weeks and really find out if he is worth persisting with. Either way he has had long enough on our list and an informative decision needs to be made on him at the end of this year. It's the perfect time to give him a block of games to show us all if he can play at the level.
I might think differently after watching the game but I doubt it.
Anyway good win by our boys.
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I haven't seen the game yet as I'm moving house and could only listen to it on the radio.
So I make these comments without really knowing just how ordinary Elton was but regardless of that I think he deserves a couple of games to get the pace of it at least.
No one else is bashing the door down so why wouldn't you persist with this guy for a few weeks and really find out if he is worth persisting with. Either way he has had long enough on our list and an informative decision needs to be made on him at the end of this year. It's the perfect time to give him a block of games to show us all if he can play at the level.
I might think differently after watching the game but I doubt it.
Anyway good win by our boys.
:shh He want as bad as some on here are making out. I was at the game and he played his role which for a player who has only played a few games is all we can ask at this stage. 9 possessions, 3 marks, 5 hit outs and 4 tackles....not bad.
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:shh He want as bad as some on here are making out. I was at the game and he played his role which for a player who has only played a few games is all we can ask at this stage. 9 possessions, 3 marks, 5 hit outs and 4 tackles....not bad.
Tend to agree with this
Didn't think he was that bad.
Thought in the ruck he was poor (Griff much better option) but he made contests, created contests for the small forward sand bought the ball to ground. So based on that I reckon that was his job yesterday and he was Ok
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Agree, he deserves a few more games IMO, his shot at goal was a classic, probably very nervous as well.
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I'm not a Benny fan but he's light years ahead of this bloke .
How could Chol be any worse ??
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Hope Im wrong but I reckon hes done. I have been happy to give him a fair go but like when I saw Mcbean in the seniors, there is not getting the pace of the game and then there is wayyyy off the pace of the game to the point where you cant see them bridging the gap required. Would love to be wrong but after 5 years Ive seen enough, looked well off it.
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Hope Im wrong but I reckon hes done. I have been happy to give him a fair go but like when I saw Mcbean in the seniors, there is not getting the pace of the game and then there is wayyyy off the pace of the game to the point where you cant see them bridging the gap required. Would love to be wrong but after 5 years Ive seen enough, looked well off it.
Mostly agree. I think that it's important that we give him a few games in a row though.
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Hope Im wrong but I reckon hes done. I have been happy to give him a fair go but like when I saw Mcbean in the seniors, there is not getting the pace of the game and then there is wayyyy off the pace of the game to the point where you cant see them bridging the gap required. Would love to be wrong but after 5 years Ive seen enough, looked well off it.
Hes Not done, cause There's nothing else.
Mcbean and vikery are gone
Griffs alway hurt
Chol, garthy, soldo, Moore are no where near it
Geez help us if jack goes down
Questionable like management by Hardwick and friends
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Grigg Chaplin
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Can we bring in Tyrone on loan?
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Can we bring in Tyrone on loan?
Mr Vickery go away with this embarrassing idea.
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I just watched the replay and I thought Elton did ok.
Competed like he had to and got a few kicks himself. The second half was a scrap and impossible for a 200cm forward.
He will keep his spot going off what I saw.
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Agree BT
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Not sure how his game was anything worse than Griff produced this year or most other years in fact (excluding his one good game every year)
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Grigg Chaplin
Chaplin Grigg
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Can we bring in Tyrone on loan?
Mr Vickery go away with this embarrassing idea.
cannot believe baphomet
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Elton Struggled. :rollin
In the name of stability, let's keep this dud on the list for another 3 years just so we are absolutely sure he is a spud and not just deluded by his stellar vfl form :sarcasm
Is there any possibility we can recruit a decent KPP?
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Woeful today, could have had a mannequin in his place today with no difference to the result. Can't hold his marks, can't kick and generally is VFL level at best. Unfortunately his papers are already stamped, certainly can't complain about opportunities, has been around long enough to be doing better if he had any ability.
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Agree Lozza
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He took a good mark from the side once, shanked the shot and faded into oblivion...He does however have a slightly better disposal efficiency than Grigg :shh
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Ive seen enough.
Time for the Chol :clapping
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Better off just playing Lennon as the second forward....no coincidence his best half this year was after Griffiths went off v Collingwood....problem is we need to play someone who can back up Nankervis in the ruck or we'll just run him or into the ground like we did to Maric....
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Chol is a year away at least. Soldo can take a mark, kick a goal and at least be competitive in the ruck. Play Jack at CHF, plonk Soldo (,and Nank when resting) on of FF line and let the mosquitos feed of anything they don't mark. Alternate, Caddy and Martin at FForward. More than anything else we can't risk burning Nank out.
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Ive seen enough.
Time for the Chol :clapping
From what I saw yesterday at the VFL, no it's not
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Ive seen enough.
Time for the Chol :clapping
From what I saw yesterday at the VFL, no it's not
Have some faith WP. Could do worse than Elton?
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Ive seen enough.
Time for the Chol :clapping
From what I saw yesterday at the VFL, no it's not
If you cannot get a kick in a 200 point win, I'm not sure you are ready.
I'm sure Chol could come in and take a nice mark or kick an exciting goal but surely we want more than just a few highlights. We have had that for 5 years with Biff.
I'm sure he will get a game later in the year, but we need players that will contribute more than a couple of highlights.
I'd keep playing Elton for a few games yet, purely as he is a big body that can give Nank a chop out but more importantly so we can put a line through his name or not.
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Ive seen enough.
Time for the Chol :clapping
From what I saw yesterday at the VFL, no it's not
Have some faith WP. Could do worse than Elton?
He is streets ahead of Elton, though I reckon you and I would be too ;D
Just didn't think he was very good yesterday, was actually disappointed in his game, lack of intensity, just cruising with poor decision making and skill errors when under no pressure
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Ive seen enough.
Time for the Chol :clapping
From what I saw yesterday at the VFL, no it's not
Have some faith WP. Could do worse than Elton?
He is streets ahead of Elton, though I reckon you and I would be too ;D
Just didn't think he was very good yesterday, was actually disappointed in his game, lack of intensity, just cruising with poor decision making and skill errors when under no pressure
Ill flip a coin then. Heads i play, tails you can don the guernsey :thumbsup
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No Chol yet
Griffiths in for Elton next week
Need someone to give Toby a chop out during a game
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If it was up to me, I'd elevate Soldo and play him. The guy is showing more than any of those mentioned so far....
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Ive seen enough.
Time for the Chol :clapping
From what I saw yesterday at the VFL, no it's not
Have some faith WP. Could do worse than Elton?
He is streets ahead of Elton, though I reckon you and I would be too ;D
Just didn't think he was very good yesterday, was actually disappointed in his game, lack of intensity, just cruising with poor decision making and skill errors when under no pressure
Ill flip a coin then. Heads i play, tails you can don the guernsey :thumbsup
:clapping
:lol
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If it was up to me, I'd elevate Soldo and play him. The guy is showing more than any of those mentioned so far....
Actually it is interesting
Watched him closely yesterday and I was impressed by a lot of what he did
But I will confess to being generally surprised at how his tap work is just that in the majority of cases soft taps. Couple of times he could have monstered it forward and didn't. Mids had created a clear space with forwards attacking and he just tapped it down literally at his own feet, ball would have travelled less than a metre.
As I said was surprised by that, show the kid still has a lot to learn
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If it was up to me, I'd elevate Soldo and play him. The guy is showing more than any of those mentioned so far....
Actually it is interesting
Watched him closely yesterday and I was impressed by a lot of what he did
But I will confess to being generally surprised at how his tap work is just that in the majority of cases soft taps. Couple of times he could have monstered it forward and didn't. Mids had created a clear space with forwards attacking and he just tapped it down literally at his own feet, ball would have travelled less than a metre.
As I said was surprised by that, show the kid still has a lot to learn
I agree that he has a lot to learn but he is the best ruck out of Elton, Griff and Chol. He is also playing around the ground better than the three and also hitting the score board on occasions. I thought he was a dud of a pick when we got him but his improvement has been extraordinary. He can't do worse than what we've currently got and in fact can do a lot better.
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Did C Moore play. Braithwaite or whatever his name is?
KPP stocks are so poor right now. Just waiting for Astbury to break down.
Thought Elton was poor but I know that Griffiths has well and truly had his shot. Would rather Elton over him at this stage...
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Did C Moore play. Braithwaite or whatever his name is?
KPP stocks are so poor right now. Just waiting for Astbury to break down.
Thought Elton was poor but I know that Griffiths has well and truly had his shot. Would rather Elton over him at this stage...
Yes C Moore played, exceptionally disappointing game for mine. Outside of trying to take mark of the century at every contest, did some really selfish things. Worst being about 55 metres out with the centre corridor open and a teammate leadingl up 20-30 metres out on his own and Moore tries to kick a goal. Please don't tell me he didn't see said teammate because I was 100 metres and I saw him easily.
Also, was off for a fair bit with a knee problem, came back on late in the 3rd with it all taped up, would suggest a slight medial strain
Garthwaite played. He isn nowhere ready for AFL but great signs. reads the play well and the kicking action is scary but he didn't miss many targets. Patience
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I'd keep playing Elton for a few games yet, purely as he is a big body that can give Nank a chop out but more importantly so we can put a line through his name or not.
You seriously can't put a line through his name yet? Gee wiz it seems like you think his games have been acceptable :gobdrop
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Just needs another half a dozen years on our list before we can make a call.... :shh
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Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane .
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Wouldn't get a game in Collingswoods forward line.
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Looks like Jane, plays like Jane.
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Jane like Jane. Jane jane jane
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Griffiths, Post, Elton, Gourdis, A.Edwards, Miller, Hamspud etc...
Looking at our KPP recruiting over the last decade one can only conclude that FJ & MoneyBlair had a severe case of Janes Addiction....
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Griffiths, Post, Elton, Gourdis, A.Edwards, Miller, Hamspud etc...
Looking at our KPP recruiting over the last decade one can only conclude that FJ & MoneyBlair had a severe case of Janes Addiction....
Been caught stealin
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Griffiths, Post, Elton, Gourdis, A.Edwards, Miller, Hamspud etc...
Looking at our KPP recruiting over the last decade one can only conclude that FJ & MoneyBlair had a severe case of Janes Addiction....
Been caught stealin
:cheers
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Peg, just admit it....
....idiots rule at Punt Road....
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I'd keep playing Elton for a few games yet, purely as he is a big body that can give Nank a chop out but more importantly so we can put a line through his name or not.
You seriously can't put a line through his name yet? Gee wiz it seems like you think his games have been acceptable :gobdrop
He has played 2 games and 6 in total. So no I wouldnt put a line through his name yet.
So who is your option to play in the second ruck/forward roll? Griff?? :wallywink
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Griff > Elton. Better KPF and a much better Ruckman. They're even conceding the ruck half the time by not nominating anyone or having Grigg. If that's not saying anything to you then.... :banghead :wallywink
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So who is your option to play in the second ruck/forward roll? Griff?? :wallywink
Yes, Griff.
And that's not because Griff is good, he's just less putrid than Toddy and the other options.
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Looks like another good pick up in the Vickery mould :cheers
Gerks was right, but not in the way he hoped...
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lol whatever happened to GG?
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I'd keep playing Elton for a few games yet, purely as he is a big body that can give Nank a chop out but more importantly so we can put a line through his name or not.
You seriously can't put a line through his name yet? Gee wiz it seems like you think his games have been acceptable :gobdrop
He has played 2 games and 6 in total. So no I wouldnt put a line through his name yet.
So who is your option to play in the second ruck/forward roll? Griff?? :wallywink
Id say Chol could give us that option. in fact id play Moore as well .Chol for Elton and Moore to play as a marking third tall type that we hoped Lennon might provide.
In saying that im with ya for now lets give him a few more even though he just doesnt look up to the standard.
Why not Riewoldt, chol or Moore as a third tall and Elton as the second kpf/ruck.
FF/ Rioli - Moore or Chol - Elton
HF/ Butler - Riewoldt - Castagna.
Lets play em all and find out who is the best options to keep.It could well be we need to cut all four of them in a short space of time next one or two seasons.
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lol whatever happened to GG?
I'll ask Bo :shh
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Not named in the VFL squad so looks like another opportunity. Was ok in patches last week but will need a good game Monday night.
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He lives in my street and is a really nice bloke. He has cute Pug dog and a very hot girlfriend. Just wish he would compete more...
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He lives in my street and is a really nice bloke. He has cute Pug dog and a very hot girlfriend. Just wish he would compete more...
Good post
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Is there a stat for dropped marks?
Surely he's leading the competition.
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They might have had 2 down on the bench last night but we played with 17 on the field for most of the night...
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Took a nice mark with his face and then tackled the wrong bloke at one point, can't complain about his intent... He has a nice long kick bit like griff if he ever gets his mitts on it but his mitts seem to be the issue, he seems unco marking and handballing. Might be a case of adjusting to the pace of the big boys league and needing some game time to adjust but yeah he was the bunny last night, easy passage through him
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I just cant cop Elton.
Surely Chol comes in?
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Soldo. :shh
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Or Soldo.
Anyone really.
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Not sure he can be given anymore time. Me? I seen enough
We cannot afford to have his non output against Adelaide next week.
It's an indictment on Elton that we didn't even bother using him as the 2nd ruckman option in our F50.
Sums it all up really
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6 years for 6 games.
Our Dean Wallis.
Keeper.
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yeah, needs moar game time lol
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Not sure he can be given anymore time. Me? I seen enough
We cannot afford to have his non output against Adelaide next week.
It's an indictment on Elton that we didn't even bother using him as the 2nd ruckman option in our F50.
Sums it all up really
What did you think of Astbury's game WP?
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Self belief is a most powerful thing and i don't think Todd has it. At VFL level he can take many contested marks and positions himself in good spots to do so. This hasn't translated at the next level for all sorts of reasons but you need to believe you belong at the level to have a chance of succeeding.
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Self belief is a most powerful thing and i don't think Todd has it. At VFL level he can take many contested marks and positions himself in good spots to do so. This hasn't translated at the next level for all sorts of reasons but you need to believe you belong at the level to have a chance of succeeding.
Not from what I've seen. :rollin
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Self belief is a most powerful thing and i don't think Todd has it. At VFL level he can take many contested marks and positions himself in good spots to do so. This hasn't translated at the next level for all sorts of reasons but you need to believe you belong at the level to have a chance of succeeding.
Not from what I've seen. :rollin
Very harsh.
Looking at your posts I can see your frustration but I feel in this case your comments are harsh and
misdirected. I believe we need to keep not as a back up but as an enforcer. Greg Stafford on Spider
Everitt type role. Structurally important.
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What did you think of Astbury's game WP?
Sorry but what has Astbury's game got to do with Elton's. :-\
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What did you think of Astbury's game WP?
Sorry but what has Astbury's game got to do with Elton's. :-\
It's perfect for a deflection. At least he didn't use Griff this time
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What did you think of Astbury's game WP?
Sorry but what has Astbury's game got to do with Elton's. :-\
Would you prefer I asked you that question in the Astbury topic?
I just would like to know what you thought of his game? A KPP player of 65 games.
You obviously have an opinion on a 6 game KPP, so I just wanted to see how you judge players both being KPP. Not really that hard to comprehend is it?
And if the question is too hard just deflect again.
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What did you think of Astbury's game WP?
Sorry but what has Astbury's game got to do with Elton's. :-\
It's perfect for a deflection. At least he didn't use Griff this time
:lol
DH is back.
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Meanwhile....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeg-GcyuHS8
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What was reason we got rid of him?
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Would you prefer I asked you that question in the Astbury topic?
I just would like to know what you thought of his game? A KPP player of 65 games.
You obviously have an opinion on a 6 game KPP, so I just wanted to see how you judge players both being KPP. Not really that hard to comprehend is it?
And if the question is too hard just deflect again.
I wasn't deflecting simply didn't understand why you asked the question because I don't think it has any relevance to Elton, still don't but anyway
I am on record as saying I don't rate Astbury. He is a momentum killer with his painfully slow & poor decision making, who gives away stupid free kicks because he watches his man more than he watches the ball.
Will go further and say I am probably in the minority after Monday night's game and say I thought he had a very average game. Gifted the Demons 4 very soft goals again via poor decisions (brain explosion resulting in frees).
Funny how you only directed a question to me rather than anyone else who in the last 24-48 hours in this thread who's been critical of Elton's game. :whistle
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Would you prefer I asked you that question in the Astbury topic?
I just would like to know what you thought of his game? A KPP player of 65 games.
You obviously have an opinion on a 6 game KPP, so I just wanted to see how you judge players both being KPP. Not really that hard to comprehend is it?
And if the question is too hard just deflect again.
I wasn't deflecting simply didn't understand why you asked the question because I don't think it has any relevance to Elton, still don't but anyway
I am on record as saying I don't rate Astbury. He is a momentum killer with his painfully slow & poor decision making, who gives away stupid free kicks because he watches his man more than he watches the ball.
Will go further and say I am probably in the minority after Monday night's game and say I thought he had a very average game. Gifted the Demons 4 very soft goals again via poor decisions (brain explosion resulting in frees).
Funny how you only directed a question to me rather than anyone else who in the last 24-48 hours in this thread who's been critical of Elton's game. :whistle
So after saying all that about Astbury, (giving away 4 soft goals) and yes he was terrible, so bad Dimma had to move him forward, that you are happy for him to stay in the side but you have seen enough of a 7 game KKP in Elton? Does that make sense to you WP? It doesn't to me. Especially with our lack of depth at the club in this position.
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So after saying all that about Astbury, (giving away 4 soft goals) and yes he was terrible, so bad Dimma had to move him forward, that you are happy for him to stay in the side but you have seen enough of a 7 game KKP in Elton? Does that make sense to you WP? It doesn't to me. Especially with our lack of depth at the club in this position.
I am on record as saying I would have traded Astbury away a long time ago. But he is a favourite so we are stuck with him.
And yes I have seen enough of Elton at both AFL level and VFL level to say he is not going to make it at AFL level. He is completely lost and overawed. At first I thought it was he just struggled with the pace of the game because you and I both know that the gap between VFL and AFL has been in the past massive, has got smaller but it is still large.
But having seen all his AFL games (yes even his debut against Adel in Adelaide all those years ago) I now believe it is more than that and he is one of those blokes who is betwixt and between = above VFL level but not up to AFL level (like McBean).
He was so woeful on Monday night that I actually felt sorry for him. He looked so lost, out of his depth call it what you will that it was actually terribly sad to watch. So for his sake more than anything else I'd drop him back to the VFL before any confidence he has left is completely blown away. I don't think he needs to be tortured anymore
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You are right I should remove the 2nd part of your post not because of but I wont because I want to use it as an example and a warning to ALL POSTERS. Emphasis on the words ALL POSTERS.
I will keep it short and simple so for the absolute final time....
It is against site rules to bait, abuse and troll other posters. It is also against the rules for people to call out and accuse others of trolling. We have a report function for people to do that, so we can deal with it. Suggest people use it. The only people who have access to what comes through are the mods, it is purely confidential, so rather than complaining use it!!
If people refuse to use it and would rather us as mods just make the call without consultation (which we do as a last resort) then we can do that too. If people want we'll issue strikes to anyone we deem as trolling/abuse/baiting.
But as I said a few years ago ...be very careful what you wish for imply you want.... because you probably wont like the end result
Further, I must say I find it amusing that people who sometimes do report others for trolling and baiting do a helluva lot if it themselves. Would be great if people applied the same standards to their own posting habits as they appear to expect of others
Finally, I would hope that people actually take on board what I've just said rather than thinking it doesn't apply to them...as I said this final warning applies to ALL POSTERS.
If people continue down the road of abuse, baiting and trolling they will face the consequences of the 3 strikes policy which means people may just end up where others have = banned from this site permanently
**Just to reiterate this isn't a reply to just big tone, it is directed at everyone.
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But having seen all his AFL games (yes even his debut against Adel in Adelaide all those years ago) I now believe it is more than that and he is one of those blokes who is betwixt and between = above VFL level but not up to AFL level (like McBean)
Elton makes McBean look like Richo Mk.II.......and was considerably better than your wonder boy Chol at the same stage of his career too...whilst playing in a considerably worse VFL side than Chol currently does and suffering injuries... :shh
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I would have thought we'd have tried Elton down back given how poor Astbury was playing.
Not convinced this week coming is the right time to experiment too much though, however we will need the talls.
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And yes I have seen enough of Elton at both AFL level and VFL level to say he is not going to make it at AFL level. He is completely lost and overawed. At first I thought it was he just struggled with the pace of the game because you and I both know that the gap between VFL and AFL has been in the past massive, has got smaller but it is still large.
finally we agree. I wanted to give him a go and normally wouldnt bash a young player who has played sfa games but he is terrible at the moment.
Its like he is playing his first game of football every week.
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Todd keeps his place in the side for another week.
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Todd keeps his place in the side for another week.
Is held in really high regard inside the club apparently. :lol
On a serious note, I'm wrapt for him and I actually think he is competing really well. There was a few times the other night, and some seem to forget it was a wet slippery night, that instead of trying to take mark of the year and put his name up in lights, he tapped the footy front and square for our little guys.
I must admit I do have a soft spot for him as I think he works hard and plays for the team ahead of his own personal gain. Playing a roll. That is something Griff can learn from him.
I also find it annoying that people can write him off after so few games. I'm hoping for us and even as importantly himself, he gets some more confidence at this level and feels he belongs and starts getting a few more touches as that's what most on here judge most players by.
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Would you prefer I asked you that question in the Astbury topic?
I just would like to know what you thought of his game? A KPP player of 65 games.
You obviously have an opinion on a 6 game KPP, so I just wanted to see how you judge players both being KPP. Not really that hard to comprehend is it?
And if the question is too hard just deflect again.
I wasn't deflecting simply didn't understand why you asked the question because I don't think it has any relevance to Elton, still don't but anyway
I am on record as saying I don't rate Astbury. He is a momentum killer with his painfully slow & poor decision making, who gives away stupid free kicks because he watches his man more than he watches the ball.
Will go further and say I am probably in the minority after Monday night's game and say I thought he had a very average game. Gifted the Demons 4 very soft goals again via poor decisions (brain explosion resulting in frees).
Funny how you only directed a question to me rather than anyone else who in the last 24-48 hours in this thread who's been critical of Elton's game. :whistle
Yes Yes Yes
Astbury has one or two good games and thinks that can carry him for the rest of the season. I still think its disgraceful he was given the number 12.
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Wasn't that Richo's choice? I didn't think the club made him do it IIRC.
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Goodbye Yellow brick road.
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Goodbye Yellow brick road.
Where the dogs of society howl
You can't plant me in your penthouse
I'm going back to my plough!
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Also, I've seen some posters say he has had good VFL form (e.g. WP said "he is one of those blokes who is betwixt and between = above VFL level but not up to AFL level"). When the stuff did he consistently play good VFL football to warrant the opinion he is "above VFL level". I can hardly remember one good game let alone a string of good games. That is the main reason a lot of us don't rate him, it's not a case of writing him off after "7 games" but actually writing him off after only a few good VFL games after 6 years of VFL and AFL footy.
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Also, I've seen some posters say he has had good VFL form (e.g. WP said "he is one of those blokes who is betwixt and between = above VFL level but not up to AFL level"). When the stuff did he consistently play good VFL football to warrant the opinion he is "above VFL level". I can hardly remember one good game let alone a string of good games. That is the main reason a lot of us don't rate him, it's not a case of writing him off after "7 games" but actually writing him off after only a few good VFL games after 6 years of VFL and AFL footy.
Agree with this.
Strange comment from WP. Never seen him look above VFL.
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...never seen him look up to VFL, let alone above it....
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Todd keeps his place in the side for another week.
Is held in really high regard inside the club apparently. :lol
On a serious note, I'm wrapt for him and I actually think he is competing really well. There was a few times the other night, and some seem to forget it was a wet slippery night, that instead of trying to take mark of the year and put his name up in lights, he tapped the footy front and square for our little guys.
I must admit I do have a soft spot for him as I think he works hard and plays for the team ahead of his own personal gain. Playing a roll. That is something Griff can learn from him.
I also find it annoying that people can write him off after so few games. I'm hoping for us and even as importantly himself, he gets some more confidence at this level and feels he belongs and starts getting a few more touches as that's what most on here judge most players by.
I can't see what you see BT. Ive watched him closely at vfl level when I have seen the odd game and he just "struggles" to mark the footy or impose himself on a game. Hopeless actually. Even without pressure he'll drop the footy.
From all reports at vfl level the most common description of his game is "Elton Struggled".
Besides the one miracle contested grab last week what else has he done? To me he just looks lost and miles off the pace.
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Goodbye Yellow brick road.
Where the dogs of society howl
You can't plant me in your penthouse
I'm going back to my plough!
Taupin is such a prophetic lyricist :snidegrin
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Career over. 6 wasted years. Crab.
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This was written just before Elton was dropped this week.
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Richmond 2017 Todd Elton’s story of persistence
Al Paton,
Herald Sun
28 April 2017 3:40pm
HE’S almost the accidental AFL player.
There isn’t much in his resume that stamps Todd Elton as a linchpin for Richmond’s 5-0 start, but the one-time VFL battler is on the ride of his life. And he seems to be enjoying every minute.
Elton has been on the Tigers’ list for six years and played seven matches; his three this year is the most he has played in a single season.
He is rated “poor” in just about every statistical category. Finding a photo of him for this article was a challenge and most footy fans wouldn’t recognise him if he sat next to them on the No. 70 tram; his Instagram following (4114) is dwarfed by teammates Dustin Martin (116,000) and Trent Cotchin (68,000).
But if there’s one quality Elton has, it’s persistence.
He was recruited from the Dandenong Stingrays with pick 26 in the 2011 draft and has played 74 VFL games since, averaging fewer than 10 disposals per game playing in defence, up forward and in the ruck. As the Tigers turned over their list, each year Elton survived.
In his three matches this year Elton has had nine, 13 and seven disposals, taken seven marks and kicked two behinds.
But he keeps presenting. On Monday night against Melbourne as players tired and the Tigers clawed to a famous win, Elton made a contest. Then another.
He took a strong mark from a get-out kick in defence as the clock ticked down in the last quarter and saw a few more over the boundary line, each time jogging back to his position at centre half-forward to do it all again.
With Ben Griffiths out indefinitely with concussion issues and Mabior Chol still developing, he might have to make a lot more of those contests this season.
TODD ELTON 2017 AVE RATING
SuperCoach points 40 POOR
Disposals 9.7 POOR
Marks 2.3 POOR
Marks inside 50 0.7 POOR
Goals 0.0 POOR
Score involvements 2.7 POOR
Forward half pressure points 17.1 AVERAGE
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said Elton, who turns 24 on Saturday, had “been OK” and was playing his role.
“He got his hands to a lot of balls but just couldn’t quite manage to take those marks,” Hardwick said on Friday.
“But he’s providing a contest for us, which is really important. We’re not after him to take 12 contested marks and kick five goals, we’re just after a contest down the line and to provide some second-tier ruck support — which he’s been doing.
“He’s incredibly athletic and has got some tricks.”
On Sunday he returns to the city where he made his AFL debut in 2012 after he was a surprise inclusion against the Crows.
He had to wait three years to play his second game, and another two years on he is still going.
If the Tigers continue the wonderful ride that is their 2017 season, he might not be unknown for much longer.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-todd-elton-to-play-eighth-game-in-six-years-against-adelaide/news-story/75cac37b65d815aa1164f4cbb9e1fdec
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I'm with BT....Well done Todd, keep up the good work. His pack spoiling efforts were great in the last half against Melbourne and that mark was crucial.
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I have never claim him to be our next CHF, but like it says in the artical, he has a go.
In his 3 games this year I have watched him closely and I'll admit he should be getting a few more touches, taking a few extra marks and even kicking a goal or 2 but imo he has played a roll for us helping out Nank in the ruck and most importantly giving us a target to kick to coming out of defence and for that kick into our forwardline 10 to 20 meters out from goal for our small to be given a chance to do their thing.
I suppose when you are 5 and zip, he must be given some credit for that.
Anyway I still think we will beat the Crows on Sunday afternoon but I just hope that someone is willing to that person that stands under those kicks I mentioned.
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I'm with BT....Well done Todd, keep up the good work. His pack spoiling efforts were great in the last half against Melbourne and that mark was crucial.
:thumbsup
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We have no real option but to play him ,the other options are not there as Nank needs a chop out from time to time
If he competes and brings the ball to the ground that's about as good as it gets for me. We need to recruit a potential and very good key position forward next year
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I'd like us to give Soldo a go.
Why?
Because he has shown form in the seconds. I know we have to elevate him, but he is actually a ruckman who can kick a goal. Todd is not a ruckman and still can't kick a goal.
Ultimately I prefer Chol to both but he isn't quite ready IMHO. Next year will be his year to shine as long as he continues to improve.
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Chol just needs to develop a decent work rate. Too often he just doesn't put the effort in when tired
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I have never claim him to be our next CHF, but like it says in the artical, he has a go.
In his 3 games this year I have watched him closely and I'll admit he should be getting a few more touches, taking a few extra marks and even kicking a goal or 2 but imo he has played a roll for us helping out Nank in the ruck and most importantly giving us a target to kick to coming out of defence and for that kick into our forwardline 10 to 20 meters out from goal for our small to be given a chance to do their thing.
I suppose when you are 5 and zip, he must be given some credit for that.
Anyway I still think we will beat the Crows on Sunday afternoon but I just hope that someone is willing to that person that stands under those kicks I mentioned.
Agreed
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I'd like us to give Soldo a go.
Why?
Because he has shown form in the seconds. I know we have to elevate him, but he is actually a ruckman who can kick a goal. Todd is not a ruckman and still can't kick a goal.
Ultimately I prefer Chol to both but he isn't quite ready IMHO. Next year will be his year to shine as long as he continues to improve.
He can also do one thing both Hampson and Elton can't do...........
.....Mark the footy!
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It shows our lack of depth in tall forwards that Elton, despite what little he has done at AFL level, is still ahead of our talls playing in our VFL side. Only Griffiths would be ahead of him if not concussed which is hardly an endorsement as Griff's good games are as rare as hen's teeth as well.
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It shows our lack of depth in tall forwards that Elton, despite what little he has done at AFL level, is still ahead of our talls playing in our VFL side. Only Griffiths would be ahead of him if not concussed which is hardly an endorsement as Griff's good games are as rare as hen's teeth as well.
which is why I would be going hell for leather to get Reid and Trengove as free agents at the end of the year - both have their flaws but both would be an upgrade on every tall we have bar Rance, Reiwoldt and Nankervis) and both are at a good age. We could then use our 2 x first round picks to draft 2 more KPP prospects or use them to get a Schache or Lever.
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It shows our lack of depth in tall forwards that Elton, despite what little he has done at AFL level, is still ahead of our talls playing in our VFL side. Only Griffiths would be ahead of him if not concussed which is hardly an endorsement as Griff's good games are as rare as hen's teeth as well.
which is why I would be going hell for leather to get Reid and Trengove as free agents at the end of the year - both have their flaws but both would be an upgrade on every tall we have bar Rance, Reiwoldt and Nankervis) and both are at a good age. We could then use our 2 x first round picks to draft 2 more KPP prospects or use them to get a Schache or Lever.
Sounds logical to me.
Lever would be perfect for us imo.
A first round pick (10 to 20) and Edwards back home to SA would hopefully get it done. I hope we are in his ear now. make him an offer too good to refuse plus the lure of coming home will help.
All KPD drafted or traded for need to be able to contribute on the way out of our backline. No more Astbury types that are slow and struggle to get involved in that area.
Hawthorn had the perfect mix imo of KPD (Gibson, Lake, Birchall, Strattan) that could defend really well but then run the footy out giving their forwards the best possible chance of kicking a winning score.
I haven't seen enough of Schache to really make a judgement on him but Lever is a star in the making.
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Played his best game so far, was serviceable giving us a legitimate target one kick up the ground and took some strong grabs. Made 3 massive errors which spoiled an otherwise good performance. Dropped 2 uncontested marks, the second was at the goal line in the final qtr and on the wing missed a simple handball which couldve given us a goal instead turnover and goal to dogs. Keeps his spot for next week.
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Was impressive, his best game by far. Still drops easy marks though.
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Credit where it is due
As tony_montana said probably his best game
Was servicable tonight. Would have a been a good game if he had clunked those 3 uncontested marks he dropped during the course of the game. The one in the final qtr could have been the making of him but...Oh well
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Agree that it was his best game but I wouldn't call it impressive. Needs to continue improving
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Much better game from Elton. I wish he had some mongrel in him as he cops lip from opposition players all game and he just accepts it...throw some lip back and use that big body to smash into them and make them hurt.
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Decent enough game from a KPP in his 8 game.
Did make some stupid mistakes but again he did create a contest which I'm liking.
He did frustrate me dropping those simple marks but I'm happy he got more involved last night.
I really hope for all our sakes that he gets some confidence out of that and keeps on improving.
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Serviceable my stuffen hole.
He's stuffn useless, scared and worse than Griffiths.
Even the hard siders are beginning to lose perspective.
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Serviceable my stuffen hole.
He's stuffn useless, scared and worse than Griffiths.
Even the hard siders are beginning to lose perspective.
:lol
Low standards at Punt Road. It doesn't take much to get us excited.
I call it the Justin Plapp effect. :rollin
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fair suck of the savaloy, he had a good game, they didn't get under his skin this time. If he can keep that trend improving, keep him in, not like we are spoiled for choice with talls. Looks like a confidence thing. They didn't psych him out this time and took some great contested marks, kicked nicely. I say give the prick some more games to see if it was just a fluke.
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fair suck of the savaloy, he had a good game,
By his standards or by the standards of an actual AFL footballer?
6 years, 8 matches , still has as many goals as Callum Moore.
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fair suck of the savaloy, he had a good game, they didn't get under his skin this time. If he can keep that trend improving, keep him in, not like we are spoiled for choice with talls. Looks like a confidence thing. They didn't psych him out this time and took some great contested marks, kicked nicely. I say give the prick some more games to see if it was just a fluke.
Agree,
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Obviously keeps getting picked because he's what Halfstep always wanted Riewoldt to be - a KPF who doesn't kick any goals...
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Did he nearly shin a shot on goal today? 1 goal 8 behinds in 10 games?
Johnson was his opponent and destroyed us
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If we'd played Angus Graham predominantly as a KPF in 9 games I reckon he would've given us a better return.....
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Any muppet that has defended this guy needs a lie down. Out of his depth by an absolute street.
List management 101.. Griffiths never plays a full season... Is Elton honestly our 2nd best KPF on our entire list? How does someone keep their job with a decision like this? We literally have 2 KP Backs and 2 KP Forwards that are AFL standard and nothing else. That is simply not good enough.
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Who's our second KPF that's AFL standard?
Can't help but wonder how McBean would've gone this year getting 6 games in a row.... :shh
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Fair point, I'm grasping at straws suggesting Griffiths?
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Yes
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(https://s14.postimg.org/axvx5juld/IMG_9649.jpg)
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The club needs to come out today and make a statement that they are releasing Todd from his contract, it is inexcusable to tolerate this sort of effort from any player on our list.
His non competitive nature cost us any opportunity of taking advantage of our fwd 50 entries yesterday, how a guy of his size cant impact a contest in a physical nature is mind boggling. The club cant accept it and cant expect us supporters to accept it either.
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Play Soldo and rotate him and Nank between ruck and CHF.
He'll have some poor games but he has way more upside than Elton.
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Its come down to whats best for the team now .
Nank is obviously our best ruckman. But he is probably our second best tall option up forward .
Would like to see how the Soldo/Nankervis combination goes - would have to be more effective than anything that contains Elton.
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Play Soldo and rotate him and Nank between ruck and CHF.
He'll have some poor games but he has way more upside than Elton.
That's too obvious
Everyone can see this is the way to go , but INSIDE those 4 walls, they know better 😂😂😂
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People claim Chol is too raw but then want Soldo to play?
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People claim Chol is too raw but then want Soldo to play?
Soldo is a big body that is going to be taller than most ruckman and able to hold his own in a contest, Chol is way too lightly framed and would be pushed off the contest too easily. Big difference
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People claim Chol is too raw but then want Soldo to play?
Soldo is a big body that is going to be taller than most ruckman and able to hold his own in a contest, Chol is way too lightly framed and would be pushed off the contest too easily. Big difference
Chol is bigger than you think, he also has a leap and is explosive albeit has a crappy tank.
Soldo rucked against Lin Jong and a part time ruckman and people assume he will be able to make a contest against sides with afl standard ruckmen? I would argue he has less of a tank than Chol at this stage
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People claim Chol is too raw but then want Soldo to play?
Soldo is a big body that is going to be taller than most ruckman and able to hold his own in a contest, Chol is way too lightly framed and would be pushed off the contest too easily. Big difference
You can argue, the point being made is that Nank would provide the best option at CHF, doing this leaves the ruck spot and i dont believe at this point in time that Chol's body could sustain that, whereas Soldo's body could. Its trying to make best of a bad situation.
Chol is bigger than you think, he also has a leap and is explosive albeit has a pooty tank.
Soldo rucked against Lin Jong and a part time ruckman and people assume he will be able to make a contest against sides with afl standard ruckmen? I would argue he has less of a tank than Chol at this stage
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I disagree with that theory bc i think we are considerably better with nank in the ruck 80-90% of the time, resting forward for 5-10 mins a qtr. You simply cannot play soldo as a fwd bc hes not mobile enough and doesnt have the tank to play majority of the time in the ruck.
We're better off rotating Chol, Elton, Moore and Griff when/if he recovers as the CHF/relief ruck
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I disagree with that theory bc i think we are considerably better with nank in the ruck 80-90% of the time, resting forward for 5-10 mins a qtr. You simply cannot play soldo as a fwd bc hes not mobile enough and doesnt have the tank to play majority of the time in the ruck.
We're better off rotating Chol, Elton, Moore and Griff when/if he recovers as the CHF/relief ruck
Moore is shortish for the role but has mongrel, a substantial body, pace and a decent leap. We could herald in the return of the Ruck Rover :thumbsup
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I disagree with that theory bc i think we are considerably better with nank in the ruck 80-90% of the time, resting forward for 5-10 mins a qtr. You simply cannot play soldo as a fwd bc hes not mobile enough and doesnt have the tank to play majority of the time in the ruck.
We're better off rotating Chol, Elton, Moore and Griff when/if he recovers as the CHF/relief ruck
I'm not advocating to play Soldo forward, as it stands now Nank plays 75-80% game time in the ruck, he rests on the bench not forward. Elton plays CHF most of the game and goes into the ruck when Nank goes to the bench. During this time we have played Grigg and Caddy as the CHF in a small forward set up.
I'm saying play Nank mainly at CHF and reversing the role
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Elton McBean.
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I disagree with that theory bc i think we are considerably better with nank in the ruck 80-90% of the time, resting forward for 5-10 mins a qtr. You simply cannot play soldo as a fwd bc hes not mobile enough and doesnt have the tank to play majority of the time in the ruck.
We're better off rotating Chol, Elton, Moore and Griff when/if he recovers as the CHF/relief ruck
I'm not advocating to play Soldo forward, as it stands now Nank plays 75-80% game time in the ruck, he rests on the bench not forward. Elton plays CHF most of the game and goes into the ruck when Nank goes to the bench. During this time we have played Grigg and Caddy as the CHF in a small forward set up.
I'm saying play Nank mainly at CHF and reversing the role
And if you read my post again, further to not being capable of playing fwd, I am also saying he is not capable of playing majority ruck bc he doesn't have the tank.
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I disagree with that theory bc i think we are considerably better with nank in the ruck 80-90% of the time, resting forward for 5-10 mins a qtr. You simply cannot play soldo as a fwd bc hes not mobile enough and doesnt have the tank to play majority of the time in the ruck.
We're better off rotating Chol, Elton, Moore and Griff when/if he recovers as the CHF/relief ruck
I'm not advocating to play Soldo forward, as it stands now Nank plays 75-80% game time in the ruck, he rests on the bench not forward. Elton plays CHF most of the game and goes into the ruck when Nank goes to the bench. During this time we have played Grigg and Caddy as the CHF in a small forward set up.
I'm saying play Nank mainly at CHF and reversing the role
And if you read my post again, further to not being capable of playing fwd, I am also saying he is not capable of playing majority ruck bc he doesn't have the tank.
He did the week before
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I disagree with that theory bc i think we are considerably better with nank in the ruck 80-90% of the time, resting forward for 5-10 mins a qtr. You simply cannot play soldo as a fwd bc hes not mobile enough and doesnt have the tank to play majority of the time in the ruck.
We're better off rotating Chol, Elton, Moore and Griff when/if he recovers as the CHF/relief ruck
I'm not advocating to play Soldo forward, as it stands now Nank plays 75-80% game time in the ruck, he rests on the bench not forward. Elton plays CHF most of the game and goes into the ruck when Nank goes to the bench. During this time we have played Grigg and Caddy as the CHF in a small forward set up.
I'm saying play Nank mainly at CHF and reversing the role
And if you read my post again, further to not being capable of playing fwd, I am also saying he is not capable of playing majority ruck bc he doesn't have the tank.
He did the week before
against Ling Jong and a part timer and barely touched the ball after qtr time. What do you think will happen against a real ruckman and there are plenty of good ones in the afl now. dejavu couldve sworn i mentioned this several posts back ::) We are going around in circles here. He is simply no where near ready
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Moore/Chol/Soldo- whoever we went with can't possibly be any worse than Elton and, unlike Crocket Man, at least has a hope of improving....and that's the bottom line...
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I disagree with that theory bc i think we are considerably better with nank in the ruck 80-90% of the time, resting forward for 5-10 mins a qtr. You simply cannot play soldo as a fwd bc hes not mobile enough and doesnt have the tank to play majority of the time in the ruck.
We're better off rotating Chol, Elton, Moore and Griff when/if he recovers as the CHF/relief ruck
I'm not advocating to play Soldo forward, as it stands now Nank plays 75-80% game time in the ruck, he rests on the bench not forward. Elton plays CHF most of the game and goes into the ruck when Nank goes to the bench. During this time we have played Grigg and Caddy as the CHF in a small forward set up.
I'm saying play Nank mainly at CHF and reversing the role
And if you read my post again, further to not being capable of playing fwd, I am also saying he is not capable of playing majority ruck bc he doesn't have the tank.
He did the week before
against Ling Jong and a part timer and barely touched the ball after qtr time. What do you think will happen against a real ruckman and there are plenty of good ones in the afl now. dejavu couldve sworn i mentioned this several posts back ::) We are going around in circles here. He is simply no where near ready
We got smashed in the ruck yesterday, so whats the difference if you take your line? Even play Maric, i dont care
You're the only one going around in circles!!! The point is to have a viable option at CHF, one that can provide a contest to enable us to take advantage of our i50's, you have to rob Peter to pay Paul
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Agree to disagree then. For me I think we'd be losing in the payoff - I think nank would give us considerably more in the ruck vs what he'd give as a CHF simply bc hes a better ruckman than CHF
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FWIW im with Montana at this stage - Nank is proven in the ruck and unproven at chf. Even when he was at Sydney his weakness was when he went into a fwd resting position. Ineffective and kicking for goal was very erratic.
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Elton has had a fair crack at it. Next!
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Soldo is a raw young RUCKMAN.
We need to look at what KPPS we have do people ever learn.
FFS Third tall play Moore get him on his bike play JR and play one of Chol, Elton, Griffiths as a ruck/fwd we need to play a ruck/fwd to give Nankervis a chop out but imo we really need to play a third tall as well.
My preference for the fwd half would go like this and it really has not changed that much from the preseason.
Chol - Moore - Butler
Rioli - Riewoldt - Lloyd/Lennon
Then you have rotations Martin, Caddy, Edwards and Nankervis. The talls outside of JR are young and raw but they are mobile quick and athletic,and i dont think they can be any worse than what Griffiths and Elton have offered up. Whats more important is they are fwds first and foremost.There is no reason why Rioli Lloyd and Butler cannot spend some time thru the middle.
Elton has had a fair crack at it. Next!
Yep we cannot keep on rewarding that level of performance.Hes had a crack and failed time for others.
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Hard to defend him this week.
In previous weeks I'd like the way he had presented and wasn't scared to stand under the footy, but on Sunday he just looked uninterested. A bit like me, that game was atrocious to watch.
Time for a look at Moore and maybe even Chol. We need to set up our forwardline differently because the last 3 weeks have been poo.
Moore Jack Butler
George Chol Rioli
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Yeah we must go with 3 talls because that has worked for us every other time we've tried. Let's not forget our game plan has looked the best it has in years but stuff it, we need to make sure we have 3 talls instead of actually playing players who are up to it
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MISSING!
(https://s26.postimg.org/p04ap0h95/IMG_1402.png)
Has anyone seen this man?
If anyone knows his whereabouts please contact Richmondfc.
If you find him do not startle with sudden movements and PLEASE! DO NOT throw him a footy.
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Was at the game today
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Did you get his autograph? :rollin
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Did you get his autograph? :rollin
He got mine 😉
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Heard he's been training well.....
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Don't think he is injured as he is training but its clear he will be moved on as he is not part of the future plans and given we have no injuries at the moment, he doesn't get a spot in the team.
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:santaNot a great sign failing to make the 2nd 22
If Soldo misses next week as well that's not ideal. :P
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Not a great sign failing to make the 2nd 22
If Soldo misses next week as well that's not ideal
Soldo is being managed with Maric taking his place. Soldo is seen to have a bright future but we can't play all of the talls at together.
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'I'm just getting into my prime', says axed Tiger
afl.com.au
29 October 2017
DELISTED Richmond tall Todd Elton believes he is entering his prime, with the versatile big man determined to earn a second AFL chance after six seasons with the Tigers.
Elton produced his best season in 2017, playing six of the first 10 rounds at AFL level to take his career tally to 10 games before a shoulder injury hit in round 11.
While he showed signs with his contested marking in the VFL, he was unable to break back into a reshaped small forward line and finished the year sidelined with a minor foot injury.
Elton, 24, said he was surprised to be delisted by the Tigers and hoped his involvement in a premiership season would not be his last at AFL level.
"I'm definitely keen and it's been a lifelong dream for me. I was very upset it came to an end this year," Elton told AFL.com.au.
"Richmond had such a good year and I felt like I was a big part of it for a good part of the year.
"Just being a part of the success at the end of the year was unreal and it's definitely not the end of me.
"I want to have another fair dinkum crack at it, because I feel like I'm just getting into my prime and feel as though I've got plenty more to give, wherever that may be."
Elton was recruited with pick No.26 in the 2011 NAB AFL Draft and struggled for senior opportunities in his first five seasons at Richmond, playing just four games.
Viewed as a project tall through that period, he showed glimpses of his talent and had all the physical attributes to eventually make it at the elite level.
He completed a full pre-season leading into 2017 and, after stints in defence in recent seasons, he was used as a forward-ruckman, where he has shown most promise.
It was Richmond's investment in the mental side of the game this year, however, that benefited the 197cm forward most as he attacked the season with renewed confidence in his ability.
"The best thing we had was that everyone could come out and be themselves," he said.
"So there was no judgement if you came out and you were a bit different. Everyone came out of their shells and everybody believed in each other.
"I got some opportunities early, which I felt really improved my game.
"I felt dominant at both levels at stages and I've definitely taken a lot of the year, so I feel like I've got a lot improvement in me and a lot more to give at AFL level."
Elton has been given an off-season program to keep fit, completing running, weights and cross-training sessions to give himself the best chance of earning another chance either as a delisted free agent or a rookie.
He is also working on a building site three times a week after completing a certificate III and certificate IV in building during his time with the Tigers.
"One of the requirements was we had to get our 800 hours up, so I've just been chipping away at those so I'll come out with a qualification," he said.
"My manager has been talking to a couple of clubs, which is a positive sign.
"My opportunity might arise as a delisted free agent or the rookie draft and I'd take it with both hands. If it is interstate I'd put my best foot forward."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-29/discarded-tall-tiger-entering-his-prime
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Fact is we became better , almost invincible once Elton was omitted from the side . Ditto Soldo.
Caddy and Townsend got the job done in fine style - no one can argue with that . Don't need a second tall , only need a big bodied midfielder who can compete.
I wouldn't even play Big Benny next year .
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Fact is we became better , almost invincible once Elton was omitted from the side . Ditto Soldo.
Caddy and Townsend got the job done in fine style - no one can argue with that . Don't need a second tall , only need a big bodied midfielder who can compete.
I wouldn't even play Big Benny next year .
Don't forget Grigg in that as our second ruckman.
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He was surprised he was delisted?
'I'm just getting into my prime', says axed Tiger
afl.com.au
29 October 2017
DELISTED Richmond tall Todd Elton believes he is entering his prime.
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Yeah. Must have been a terrible shock to him.
:lol
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Elton, 24, said he was surprised to be delisted by the Tigers and hoped his involvement in a premiership season would not be his last at AFL level.
:gobdrop :gobdrop
What's the word???
starts with D
Deluded that's it
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Have his balls dropped yet ?
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Hate to be so brutal, but this is one of those guys that drives me nuts.
Built like Tarzan, plays like Jane. Griffiths too.
Even if I was a hack player, if I was built like that I'd smash every stuffing pack and clean blokes up.
Reality is this guy offers nothing at all, in any position on the ground. His height and weight on paper sounds interesting, the rest is pure garbage, and if this is his prime then he should be playing suburban football where he has a chance to make some pocket money. He's very fortunate Richmond threw him a decent wage to just work out and play some crap footy for so long.
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Deluded is an understatement...... :rollin
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Hate to be so brutal, but this is one of those guys that drives me nuts.
Built like Tarzan, plays like Jane. Griffiths too.
Even if I was a hack player, if I was built like that I'd smash every stuffing pack and clean blokes up.
Reality is this guy offers nothing at all, in any position on the ground. His height and weight on paper sounds interesting, the rest is pure garbage, and if this is his prime then he should be playing suburban football where he has a chance to make some pocket money. He's very fortunate Richmond threw him a decent wage to just work out and play some crap footy for so long.
Showed glimpses this year that he's capable. Ultimately, his lack of presence on the field forced our hand to develop a gameplan that didn't involve him. There was a clear spot for him to take with both hands early on in the season and he failed.
Would have been happy for him to stay on for one more year but not upset he's been moved on.
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Elton had to go.
Lacks the one ingredient that we need in a key forward, competitiveness.
I felt this year that he was showing some glimmers, he was certainly reading the play reasonably well.
But just didn't make enough contests in the fashion Riewoldt does. And when he got to the contest he was ineffective.
I have a feeling that I take Riewoldt's ability in this area too lightly. I have always put it down to Jack's great athleticism.
but after watching Elton this season, I am figuring there is a fair bit of skill involved in playing the role Riewoldt did in our forward line this season.
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:lol
Couldn't even get a gig with the vfl team once the big girl Griff and the Spud got back from injury.
What is even funnier is that this bloke kept Lennon out of the senior team.
Goes to show what the coaches thought of Lennon if a lemon like Elton can be ahead of you. :rollin
Spuds.
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Showed glimpses this year that he's capable.
When was that exactly? When he kicked his one goal for the year? Or when he had a career high one goal assist? Oh no, I'm sure it was his career high two inside 50's playing as a link man.
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Obviously Dougey's referring to the VFL....or more likely a training session he saw....probably the same session where Jack saw Hamspud tearing it up... :shh
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Showed glimpses this year that he's capable.
:huh
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Obviously Dougey's referring to the VFL....or more likely a training session he saw....
Figured as much but surely you take those performances with a grain of salt :shh
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If any club picks him up I will be astonished
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I think he has competitiveness, he tried hard, he just lacks talent. Can’t mark or kick
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Showed glimpses this year that he's capable.
When was that exactly? When he kicked his one goal for the year? Or when he had a career high one goal assist? Oh no, I'm sure it was his career high two inside 50's playing as a link man.
Clunked a few good grabs - always a good sign. Felt that when he had the pill he used it reasonable well for a big man.
But like I said, glimpses, not complete games.
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He was consistent at one thing, being shyte, and incompetent
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Will he be redrafted as a rookie?
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Will he be redrafted as a rookie?
I'd have thought we'd give someone else a go - 6 seasons feels about 2 years too many with this bloke
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Will he be redrafted as a rookie?
:help
Would rather bring back Ben Darrou ;D
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Ben Darrou could actually play.... :shh
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If only Ben Darrou was Todd Elton's height..... :rollin
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Showed glimpses this year that he's capable.
When was that exactly? When he kicked his one goal for the year? Or when he had a career high one goal assist? Oh no, I'm sure it was his career high two inside 50's playing as a link man.
Clunked a few good grabs - always a good sign. Felt that when he had the pill he used it reasonable well for a big man.
But like I said, glimpses, not complete games.
I guess it depends how lenient you are with "glimpses". Taking one good mark every 2 games isn't enough to say he's shown glimpses IMO, not for a 6th year player
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JON showed more glimpses at AFL level than Elton....
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Norf looking at Todd Elton. Strong source
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-draft-rumours.1181476/page-12#post-53389252
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As much as I wish that were true and as hilarious as it would indeed be - pretty sure that's just another troll mocking North's recent desperate recruiting......#lolnorf #aggressivereset
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Elton is playing with Frankston next year.
https://twitter.com/VFL_Dolphins/status/938932944407633920