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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Jackstar is back on September 28, 2009, 05:42:16 PM
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Troy agreed to a new one year deal today after declining offers from both St.Kilda and Brisbane which were both offering 2 year contracts.
Saints it seems will be delisting Steven King .
Just shows a few geniuses on here have little idea if the Saints and Brisbane were keen to offer him a 2 year deal.
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Had to be done.
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Better to keep him than have him, Rodan, Brown and Tuck embarrass us at other clubs by playing like stars......... :whistle
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Whats of interest is the saints , 2 days after playing in a grand final were desperate to get him down there
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Source?
By that i mean if it's on another web-site Jack you need to quote that
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Source?
By that i mean if it's on another web-site Jack you need to quote that
No website, person to person source.
Something about horses mouth
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Whats of interest is the saints , 2 days after playing in a grand final were desperate to get him down there
They have a ruck hole if they lose one of Gardiner or king and they are both 30, King played a pretty bad game in the GF. I think everybody knows they will be trading for an experienced ruckman this trade period. We should trade him if we get a good pick. St Kilda have a need, we are not in premiership mode and it'd be good for Troy, as he would have a crack at finals next year for sure. Win win as long as they give up a good enough pick. I also think he had such a poor year he is probably past it.
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Uhhh....we kinda need him
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A RUCKMAN.!
Having said that,he was pathetic this year
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Uhhh....we kinda need him
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A RUCKMAN.!
Having said that,he was pathetic this year
Carried bad knee for whole year, not making excuses, you will see a fully fit Troy next year.
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Whats of interest is the saints , 2 days after playing in a grand final were desperate to get him down there
Wouldn't the Saints look within their own list at McEvoy for an alternative ruckman to King going forward.
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Whats of interest is the saints , 2 days after playing in a grand final were desperate to get him down there
Wouldn't the Saints look within their own list at McEvoy for an alternative ruckman to King going forward.
I would of thought that as well, only telling you what I was told.
Keep in mind that Gardiner is buggered as well,injury wise, mighten go on ;)
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Better to keep him than have him, Rodan, Brown and Tuck embarrass us at other clubs by playing like stars......... :whistle
Rodan was a mistake but Brown and Tuck are not right for our list at its current stage of development. Brown is a 1 or 2 year player at best so would suit a team pushing for a flag as would Tuck whereas neither will be around when and if we make our charge so its better to get a pick for them and hopefully obtain a good young player that may be there when we need him.
Simmonds is a bandaid on our current ruck problems.
Stripes
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Hey Stripes,
I can see the logic in terms of Simmonds and us keeping him for a year but that's not to say i like it!
He was pathetic this year- but he was not the Lone Ranger!
If what i am hearing about him and other clubs interested is correct, take the pick for him now while we can!
We have Gus, elevate Browne, let Vickory do the ruck work in our forward line (like Tipit) and draft a young ruckman and rookie another.
We are so far away anyway, why bother wasting another year with him?
Also going off the list of people maybe looking to be traded, the pick we could get for him could snar us a very good young player. IE Gamble or McKinley.
I know we must use the draft for young kids but with the extra draft picks we get for trading some of our own players/duds we should try to at least get 1 maybe 2 players from other clubs that cannot quite crack it at their club. A GREAT example of one this year would be Prismal.
Gamble is the one for us imo!
Thoughts?
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Said all along we need him caus of our lack of Ruck options, but geez if we get a good pick off Brizzy or that 1 flag in 113 years mob would be crazy not to suss it right out.
Don't aints like McEvoy? Is he worth a shot? Him and their second round pick if they think it will get them a flag ?????
The couple of times I saw Simmo at VFL level he was terrible.
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Also going off the list of people maybe looking to be traded, the pick we could get for him could snar us a very good young player. IE Gamble or McKinley.
I know we must use the draft for young kids but with the extra draft picks we get for trading some of our own players/duds we should try to at least get 1 maybe 2 players from other clubs that cannot quite crack it at their club. A GREAT example of one this year would be Prismal.
Gamble is the one for us imo!
Thoughts?
Like Hislop or Thomson?
Although I do agree 100% with Gamble and maybe 90% with McKinley - either of these would be a good fit in our current position and certainly worth the risk that 'recycleds' always are. Just as I think Hislop and Thomson were worth the risk. No club is ever going to get all these 'gambles' (sorry, no pun intended) correct, probably not even half of them - so do we take the risk now or just go with draft kids?
And on the subject of Rodan (Stripe's post above) - I don't believe the club made a mistake in getting rid of him:
- He had an attitude problem at Richmond (by his own admission) and was never going to flourish there in the foreseeable future.
- He was always going to be a risk coming back from a knee reco, especially when his only real asset was his pace and ground agility.
- He is still only a fringe mid and rarely performs well over 4 quarters so the possibility then of us of replacing him with something better was quite good.
Talking of the 'gambles' above - he was one we got right. Rodan prolonged and advanced his career and we got rid of a probable list clogger - win win.
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Also going off the list of people maybe looking to be traded, the pick we could get for him could snar us a very good young player. IE Gamble or McKinley.
I know we must use the draft for young kids but with the extra draft picks we get for trading some of our own players/duds we should try to at least get 1 maybe 2 players from other clubs that cannot quite crack it at their club. A GREAT example of one this year would be Prismal.
Gamble is the one for us imo!
Thoughts?
Like Hislop or Thomson?
Although I do agree 100% with Gamble and maybe 90% with McKinley - either of these would be a good fit in our current position and certainly worth the risk that 'recycleds' always are. Just as I think Hislop and Thomson were worth the risk. No club is ever going to get all these 'gambles' (sorry, no pun intended) correct, probably not even half of them - so do we take the risk now or just go with draft kids?
And on the subject of Rodan (Stripe's post above) - I don't believe the club made a mistake in getting rid of him:
- He had an attitude problem at Richmond (by his own admission) and was never going to flourish there in the foreseeable future.
- He was always going to be a risk coming back from a knee reco, especially when his only real asset was his pace and ground agility.
- He is still only a fringe mid and rarely performs well over 4 quarters so the possibility then of us of replacing him with something better was quite good.
Talking of the 'gambles' above - he was one we got right. Rodan prolonged and advanced his career and we got rid of a probable list clogger - win win.
Not every trade HAS to be bad. We as a club just don't seem to be able to get it right! I think if you ask Essendon if they got it right with Prismal they would say yes with a big smile on their face! And yet we took Thompson with the same sort of pick.
And i think there is a fair bit of difference between Hislop (was delisted by the Bombers) and Thompson ( who also would have been delisted) than Gamble and maybe Mckinley. Don't get me wrong, both Hislop and Thompson will not make it but lets not turn our backs on players from other clubs just because we have got a lot wrong in the past. I think this year with all the trading that is suppose to take place, we could pick up a gem for a bargin.
I also agree with you on Rodan, if they offered him back i would say no thanks!
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Not every trade HAS to be bad. We as a club just don't seem to be able to get it right! I think if you ask Essendon if they got it right with Prismal they would say yes with a big smile on their face! And yet we took Thompson with the same sort of pick.
Yes, but that's exactly what we are both saying - you can't always get it right (or wrong). We took a risk with Thomson and (potentially) lost, they took a risk with Prismall and got it right. Those that bemoan our perceived lack of success in trading for 'recycleds' don't always bring all the facts to the table. Essendon took Prismall yet took Zantuck too and that is just one example - every single club is the same and I'm very very confident that if you spend the time going through every club's trade history you will find that we are no better or worse than most other clubs. The number of players that go to a 2nd/3rd club and make a real difference are actually very few and far between - many become more serviceable than they were but most fail for the same reason they failed initially - just not good enough.
And i think there is a fair bit of difference between Hislop (was delisted by the Bombers) and Thompson ( who also would have been delisted) than Gamble and maybe Mckinley. Don't get me wrong, both Hislop and Thompson will not make it but lets not turn our backs on players from other clubs just because we have got a lot wrong in the past. I think this year with all the trading that is suppose to take place, we could pick up a gem for a bargin.
Yep, I agree. Both Gamble and McKinley have more (and better) exposed form than Hislop and Thomson and in any other 'normal' year we would be expecting to pay more than we did for either of our two but with this year who knows. Personally I'm not sold on the 'kids only' top up this year - I would be happy to take one or 2 risks with 'recycleds' but only with high picks, not low/mid picks. I'm with you in that this year it may very well be possible to pick up a genuine bargain as some clubs make the mistake of over-reacting (panicking) because of the Gold Coast concessions. One thing to keep in mind is that the Gold Coast are going to need/want to trade a number of picks in the first couple of years if they want to be in any way competitive so there will be more opportunities than many think for quality picks in 2010/11.
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I know we must use the draft for young kids but with the extra draft picks we get for trading some of our own players/duds we should try to at least get 1 maybe 2 players from other clubs that cannot quite crack it at their club. A GREAT example of one this year would be Prismal.
Gamble is the one for us imo!
Thoughts?
Prismal was in Geelong's best 22 before he did his knee. That trade was meant to be a swap of Prismal for Lovett but the Lovett one fell over with Knights giving Lovett a second chance. The Cats grabbed what they could (pick 39) as Prismal said he wanted to go to Windy Hill.
Gamble doesn't fit a need for us. He's not a big key forward and that's why he can't get into the Geelong side. No more trading for fringe/VFL standard players from other clubs while we are rebuilding. If we pick up footballers who can't crack games with the top sides then how will we eventually challenge these top sides with these substandard players in our side.
As for Simmo - if the Saints want to do a trade then we should be open all ears to it. A package of Simmo and Jordie might gain us a decent pick in return if they are that desperate.
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regarding Prismal you have to also remember he WANTED to go to the Bombers. No point in tryign to trade for someone who doesn't want to be at your club.
Isn't that one of the things we really need to address how do we convince "gun" type players that should come to Tigerland. :-\
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Gamble doesn't fit a need for us. He's not a big key forward and that's why he can't get into the Geelong side. No more trading for fringe/VFL standard players from other clubs while we are rebuilding. If we pick up footballers who can't crack games with the top sides then how will we eventually challenge these top sides with these substandard players in our side.
As for Simmo - if the Saints want to do a trade then we should be open all ears to it. A package of Simmo and Jordie might gain us a decent pick in return if they are that desperate.
It's not always a case of purely "not being good enough" as the reason for not getting a regular game - Morton is our own case in point - sometimes the chemistry just isn't right. I see Gamble very much in the Morton mould and while he is trying to crack into a forward line with Mooney, Chapman, Johnson, Ottens, Stokes/Varcoe, Hawkins (favourite son syndrome) then he is going to struggle, especially while this group has premiership winning form. He is not tall but he plays tall - I think he has a lot of potential and would complement our forward line very well. With significant development still to come in all these kids - Riewoldt, Morton, Gamble, Nahas, Vickery and Butcher would be a decent platform to build on.
And as for Simmonds - like you MT, I would look at any offer. On his recent form I don't think we will miss that much if he was traded. I have a lot of faith in Browne - much more than Graham - and Vickery will improve.
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It's not always a case of purely "not being good enough" as the reason for not getting a regular game - Morton is our own case in point - sometimes the chemistry just isn't right. I see Gamble very much in the Morton mould and while he is trying to crack into a forward line with Mooney, Chapman, Johnson, Ottens, Stokes/Varcoe, Hawkins (favourite son syndrome) then he is going to struggle, especially while this group has premiership winning form. He is not tall but he plays tall - I think he has a lot of potential and would complement our forward line very well. With significant development still to come in all these kids - Riewoldt, Morton, Gamble, Nahas, Vickery and Butcher would be a decent platform to build on.
At 22 y.o. and 184cm tall, Gamble really should have come on more by now even at Geelong. He seems a jack of all trades but a master of none. Not tall enough to be a genuine tall marking forward yet doesn't play as a midsized forward either crumbing goals. More just a mark and kick forward. That's why I would avoid him. Morton when we traded for him was still only 20 (I agree in Mitch's case about a lack of chemistry - being a F/S didn't seem to sit well with him and the Eagles thought he was a selfish player).
And as for Simmonds - like you MT, I would look at any offer. On his recent form I don't think we will miss that much if he was traded. I have a lot of faith in Browne - much more than Graham - and Vickery will improve.
Agree. Simmo isn't part of our future and at 197cm tall he's going to be leaping early again at ruck contests to compete with 200cm+ modern size ruckmen and jumping beans like Ryder and NickNat. It seems we are just going to be in a holding pattern with our ruck stocks in 2010 :-\.
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i would like to see the proof if Simmonds has accepted an offer!
i would also like to see proof whether other clubs were interested in Simmonds.
i can see why we would keep Simmonds, however i agree with others who have said that i would give him up for anything.
i would perfer to develop our young ruckman like Graham (who i saw today at VU Footscray) Browne (promote), Vickery and would keep Pattison.
draft another 17/18 ruckman.
Dean Putt - i am not sure about. you would think we would delist him after 3 years of nothing.
i would perfer Richmond to draft 17/18 year olds and develop them as our own!
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regarding Prismal you have to also remember he WANTED to go to the Bombers. No point in tryign to trade for someone who doesn't want to be at your club.
Isn't that one of the things we really need to address how do we convince "gun" type players that should come to Tigerland. :-\
Prismal would have gone anywhere he was going to get a game and get paid well with a decent contract. Try not to be to naive WP!
We just have to be more aggressive when it came down to it. No wonder our players are weak, everything about our club is weak!
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At 22 y.o. and 184cm tall, Gamble really should have come on more by now even at Geelong. He seems a jack of all trades but a master of none. Not tall enough to be a genuine tall marking forward yet doesn't play as a midsized forward either crumbing goals. More just a mark and kick forward.
To be fair, this was only his 3rd 'real' season in a team that has made the past 3 grand finals - he missed out entirely in 2007 after missing the pre-season due to an ankle injury and then couldn't force his way into a premiership winning side at 19 years old with 1 game experience. And he only turned 22 last Wednesday - he will be 22 for all next season!
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i would like to see the proof if Simmonds has accepted an offer!
i would also like to see proof whether other clubs were interested in Simmonds.
i can see why we would keep Simmonds, however i agree with others who have said that i would give him up for anything.
i would perfer to develop our young ruckman like Graham (who i saw today at VU Footscray) Browne (promote), Vickery and would keep Pattison.
draft another 17/18 ruckman.
Dean Putt - i am not sure about. you would think we would delist him after 3 years of nothing.
i would perfer Richmond to draft 17/18 year olds and develop them as our own!
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smart post :thumbsup
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i would like to see the proof if Simmonds has accepted an offer!
i would also like to see proof whether other clubs were interested in Simmonds.
i can see why we would keep Simmonds, however i agree with others who have said that i would give him up for anything.
i would perfer to develop our young ruckman like Graham (who i saw today at VU Footscray) Browne (promote), Vickery and would keep Pattison.
draft another 17/18 ruckman.
Dean Putt - i am not sure about. you would think we would delist him after 3 years of nothing.
i would perfer Richmond to draft 17/18 year olds and develop them as our own!
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I'd rather see Pattison go before Simmo. One is getting on a bit and won't feature in our next premiership side, but the other just has no idea how to play footy at this level and is not mobile enough to make up for it.
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At 22 y.o. and 184cm tall, Gamble really should have come on more by now even at Geelong. He seems a jack of all trades but a master of none. Not tall enough to be a genuine tall marking forward yet doesn't play as a midsized forward either crumbing goals. More just a mark and kick forward.
To be fair, this was only his 3rd 'real' season in a team that has made the past 3 grand finals - he missed out entirely in 2007 after missing the pre-season due to an ankle injury and then couldn't force his way into a premiership winning side at 19 years old with 1 game experience. And he only turned 22 last Wednesday - he will be 22 for all next season!
Hawkins, Varcoe, Stokes are Gamble's age group and they have stepped into the Cats' forward line this year. Just on age Taylor is another but in the backline and Selwood of course but he's a freak. Stokes was unlucky he was too honest about being injured and not wanting to put the team at jeopardy. He couldn't get back into the GF side with Byrnes and Wojcinski having good games in the PF.
Geelong gave Gamble the opportunity to be their 3rd 'tall' forward option earlier this year when they were still testing he and Hawkins out in the side and he didn't take the opportunity. I'm just concerned smokey about us trading and settling for second best again and we end up going nowhere as usual. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
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It seems a bit fanciful that Brisbane (leunberger, clarke and Charman) and Saints (McEvoy, King and Gardiner) would want another ruckman - particularly one who is over 30 yo and performed at an embarrassingly low level for an elite athlete.
If he was injured, I really would like to challenge why he ended up playing at all in the back half of the season when it was obvious we were going to finish bottom 3.
Given that being in the bottom 3 will be our next 3-4 years, what exactly will Troy Simmonds bring to the table next year to help?
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draft another 17/18 ruckman.
Out of 22 players, wouldnt you think thats to many on the feild at once :rollin lol
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draft another 17/18 ruckman.
Out of 22 players, wouldnt you think thats to many on the feild at once :rollin lol
Although we might have half a chance of getting a least one decent one out of that many.
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draft another 17/18 ruckman.
Out of 22 players, wouldnt you think thats to many on the feild at once :rollin lol
Although we might have half a chance of getting a least one decent one out of that many.
It'd be hard to man up that many talls though :)
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Hmmmmm a Pied Piper technique of recruiting..I like your thinking.. Lets think outside the square and give this one wheels! Lets round up all the ruckman in the land, select 22 of the best, at the end of the year, delist 20 (one for back up) and then move onto the next playing position. If we keep this up, in 15 years or so we could have a team of champions!! Also remember that we will come last each year until we start to fill a few positions, giving us priority picks as a bonus. I call this my 15 year plan! God knows we have been waiting for 29 so whats another 15??
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It seems a bit fanciful that Brisbane (leunberger, clarke and Charman) and Saints (McEvoy, King and Gardiner) would want another ruckman - particularly one who is over 30 yo and performed at an embarrassingly low level for an elite athlete.
If he was injured, I really would like to challenge why he ended up playing at all in the back half of the season when it was obvious we were going to finish bottom 3.
Given that being in the bottom 3 will be our next 3-4 years, what exactly will Troy Simmonds bring to the table next year to help?
Answer is that the saints are looking at delisted King or Gardiner or both ;) Gardiner has injury issues and is nearly spent
Brisbane a looking to move on Charman
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It seems a bit fanciful that Brisbane (leunberger, clarke and Charman) and Saints (McEvoy, King and Gardiner) would want another ruckman - particularly one who is over 30 yo and performed at an embarrassingly low level for an elite athlete.
If he was injured, I really would like to challenge why he ended up playing at all in the back half of the season when it was obvious we were going to finish bottom 3.
Given that being in the bottom 3 will be our next 3-4 years, what exactly will Troy Simmonds bring to the table next year to help?
Answer is that the saints are looking at delisted King or Gardiner or both ;) Gardiner has injury issues and is nearly spent
Brisbane a looking to move on Charman
Ahh good ole St Kilda or better know as "St Elsewhere Retirement Village for ageing ruckman". :lol I hear there's a bonus for ruckman who sign up for next season which is a 3 months supply of "depends" to get them through the grueling preseason.
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Jonathon Griffen should be of interest to us IMHO.
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From BF:
Just listening to SEN with Tony Sheehan and Mark Stone 99% sure I heard that Simmonds has re-signed for 1 year but surprisingly they added that he had been offered 2 year contracts by both Saints and Brisbane WTF???
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15985321&postcount=1
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Troy agreed to a new one year deal today after declining offers from both St.Kilda and Brisbane which were both offering 2 year contracts.
Saints it seems will be delisting Steven King .
Just shows a few geniuses on here have little idea if the Saints and Brisbane were keen to offer him a 2 year deal.
SEN are behind the times
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Adelaide want a 2nd rounder for Griffen. Does anyone reckon we should offer up Edwards or maybe pick 35 to try and get a ruckman like Griffen.
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Adelaide want a 2nd rounder for Griffen. Does anyone reckon we should offer up Edwards or maybe pick 35 to try and get a ruckman like Griffen.
Ah haaa!!! Maybe that is were our pick 19 may be going! 19 for Griffen.
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Adelaide want a 2nd rounder for Griffen. Does anyone reckon we should offer up Edwards or maybe pick 35 to try and get a ruckman like Griffen.
Ah haaa!!! Maybe that is were our pick 19 may be going! 19 for Griffen.
we cant be serious.
stuff that no way should we ever make that deal.
Griffen has showed nothing to suggest we should part with a second rounder
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Adelaide want a 2nd rounder for Griffen. Does anyone reckon we should offer up Edwards or maybe pick 35 to try and get a ruckman like Griffen.
Ah haaa!!! Maybe that is were our pick 19 may be going! 19 for Griffen.
we cant be serious.
eff that no way should we ever make that deal.
Griffen has showed nothing to suggest we should part with a second rounder
I agree Dan, Griffen comes across to me as soft and undersized development wise but decisions like this have been made in the past. Lets hope it doesn't happen this time. :pray
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Griffen ----> Edwards
i would take that. no draft picks with it!
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Griffen ----> Edwards
i would take that. no draft picks with it!
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NO! LOL :rollin
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Troy Symmonds's big surprise
Jon Ralph | Herald Sun Fri Oct 09
RICHMOND has offered sidelined ruckman Troy Simmonds another contract, with the Tigers stripping two more first-round selections from their list.
Simmonds, 31, was dropped to the VFL this year on the last season of a five-year deal and was considered likely to have played his last game.
Instead coach Damian Hardwick and the list management committee have offered him a one-year deal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/troy-symmondss-big-surprise/story-e6frf9jf-1225784565850
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Joke decision
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Troy Symmonds's big surprise
Jon Ralph | Herald Sun Fri Oct 09
RICHMOND has offered sidelined ruckman Troy Simmonds another contract, with the Tigers stripping two more first-round selections from their list.
Simmonds, 31, was dropped to the VFL this year on the last season of a five-year deal and was considered likely to have played his last game.
Instead coach Damian Hardwick and the list management committee have offered him a one-year deal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/troy-symmondss-big-surprise/story-e6frf9jf-1225784565850
According to that Pattison is going to be moved on. Surely he would have to be traded this morning. Trading Pattison would be the correct decision.
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Troy agreed to a new one year deal today after declining offers from both St.Kilda and Brisbane which were both offering 2 year contracts.
Saints it seems will be delisting Steven King .
Just shows a few geniuses on here have little idea if the Saints and Brisbane were keen to offer him a 2 year deal.
He was offered this deal 2 weeks ago.
Good decision I reckon.
:thumbsup
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If Simmonds stays and Pattison goes, then I'm guessing we'll take another ruck as after next season we'll only have Vickery, Graham and Browne.
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Troy agreed to a new one year deal today after declining offers from both St.Kilda and Brisbane which were both offering 2 year contracts.
Saints it seems will be delisting Steven King .
Just shows a few geniuses on here have little idea if the Saints and Brisbane were keen to offer him a 2 year deal.
He was offered this deal 2 weeks ago.
Good decision I reckon.
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I'm with ya Jacky.
It's all about the kids in nearly every spot on the park, but in the ruck someone needs to protect them from their body being bashed and killed before its developed, and give us some versatility to give Vickery a go up forward. And Simmo, when fit, is the man for the job.
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It's all about the kids in nearly every spot on the park, but in the ruck someone needs to protect them from their body being bashed and killed before its developed, and give us some versatility to give Vickery a go up forward. And Simmo, when fit, is the man for the job.
Lets hope he fires up then because if he has a year like the last it will be painful on here reading the bagging Simmo, Hardwick, FJ, the magnet board boy etc etc will cop
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Troy agreed to a new one year deal today after declining offers from both St.Kilda and Brisbane which were both offering 2 year contracts.
Saints it seems will be delisting Steven King .
Just shows a few geniuses on here have little idea if the Saints and Brisbane were keen to offer him a 2 year deal.
He was offered this deal 2 weeks ago.
Good decision I reckon.
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I'm with ya Jacky.
It's all about the kids in nearly every spot on the park, but in the ruck someone needs to protect them from their body being bashed and killed before its developed, and give us some versatility to give Vickery a go up forward. And Simmo, when fit, is the man for the job.
Will be fit for 2010, unlike 2009
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Will be fit for 2010, unlike 2009
What about his knee?
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Will be fit for 2010, unlike 2009
What about his knee?
Knee will be fine.
:shh :thumbsup
medicos say all good, otherwise Brisbane and Saints would not have offered him a 2 year deal, he only wants to play for one more year. Seems that Troy had more currency than you all think
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All I can say is I hope he gets rid of the frikkin fumbles he had this year. Dropping so many easy marks at crucial times was excruciating to watch. :banghead
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Will be fit for 2010, unlike 2009
What about his knee?
Knee will be fine.
:shh :thumbsup
medicos say all good, otherwise Brisbane and Saints would not have offered him a 2 year deal, he only wants to play for one more year. Seems that Troy had more currency than you all think
He is crap. Really horrid decision. Feel sorry for anyone who has been sucked into thinking that this was a good call.
Ya poor bastards!!!
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Will be fit for 2010, unlike 2009
What about his knee?
Knee will be fine.
:shh :thumbsup
medicos say all good, otherwise Brisbane and Saints would not have offered him a 2 year deal, he only wants to play for one more year. Seems that Troy had more currency than you all think
He is crap. Really horrid decision. Feel sorry for anyone who has been sucked into thinking that this was a good call.
Ya poor bastards!!!
yep, he is crap.
Could of got a 2 year contract at either Brisbane or the Saints.
But wanted to put something back into RFC and help the younger bodied players develop.
Played with a bad knee throughout 2009.
Horrible decision, nah, good decision as Vickery nor Graham are ready
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Simmonds is far from crap, I thought he should be retired but he's been a great pickup for the club and not too long ago was selected to represent Victoria in the All stars match. Hasn't been the same since due to injury.
People say his timing is off in the ruck and he jumps to early, however this is a tactic to nullify his opponent. He has to do it due to his shorter stature and being unable to jump over players 3-10 inches taller than him. If he jumps early then his ruck opponent can't get a clean run at the ball and it becomes a 50-50 contest.
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Simmonds is far from crap, I thought he should be retired but he's been a great pickup for the club and not too long ago was selected to represent Victoria in the All stars match. Hasn't been the same since due to injury.
People say his timing is off in the ruck and he jumps to early, however this is a tactic to nullify his opponent. He has to do it due to his shorter stature and being unable to jump over players 3-10 inches taller than him. If he jumps early then his ruck opponent can't get a clean run at the ball and it becomes a 50-50 contest.
true,but we still have poo ruck stocks.
Clearly out number one ruckman is not rucking to win but rather to "Nullify" the oppossong ruckmans attack.
Hardly a way to play finals ------farkkkkkkked!
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All I can say is I hope he gets rid of the frikkin fumbles he had this year. Dropping so many easy marks at crucial times was excruciating to watch. :banghead
I think his knee really contributed to his fumbling and dropped marks.
I can't wait to see him trip through the banner, handball into the goalpost and take out his volswagon beetle bonnet sized mouth guard and say EEEEEEFFFFFF!!!
All at 31yo. Great way to rebuild a club.
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All I can say is I hope he gets rid of the frikkin fumbles he had this year. Dropping so many easy marks at crucial times was excruciating to watch. :banghead
I think his knee really contributed to his fumbling and dropped marks.
I can't wait to see him trip through the banner, handball into the goalpost and take out his volswagon beetle bonnet sized mouth guard and say EEEEEEFFFFFF!!!
All at 31yo. Great way to rebuild a club.
And you want Vickery to get pounded each week do you ? :banghead
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I would assume that he isn't on the sort of $$$ he was over the last 5 years?
I think based on his 2009 performance he is lucky but at the same time I can see why he's been retained
Clearly he played injured for most of the season and while our medical people can shoulder some of the blame Simmo needs to take some responsibility as well for actually playing - could have; should have said NOPE.....
And I have no doubt he thinks he can help develop the young blokes - he spoke at a PLayer Club pre-match near the end of the season and that is exactly what he said
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To be fair, the $$$ he was on the last 5 years wasn't much
Bargain basement stuff actually, especially for a ruck
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To be fair, the $$$ he was on the last 5 years wasn't much
Bargain basement stuff actually, especially for a ruck
Appreciate that Infamy just wondering if he is on less - if he is then it's a bit a bargain again - experienced ruckman who can play forward ..... to help develop Vickery and BrownE..... ;D
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To be fair, the $$$ he was on the last 5 years wasn't much
Bargain basement stuff actually, especially for a ruck
5 years at $200,000 a year
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Was $1.2m over 5 years, so $240k per year
Even so, given that's the average AFL salary, for a Vic representative and almost AA ruckman, that's peanuts
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Was $1.2m over 5 years, so $240k per year
Even so, given that's the average AFL salary, for a Vic representative and almost AA ruckman, that's peanuts
how many finals did he lead us into Over his 5 years?
Oh, stuff all I hear you say. Contracts based on merit please.
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I think finals failure was a collective effort by all at RFC
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Was $1.2m over 5 years, so $240k per year
Even so, given that's the average AFL salary, for a Vic representative and almost AA ruckman, that's peanuts
how many finals did he lead us into Over his 5 years?
Oh, eff all I hear you say. Contracts based on merit please.
He was never recruited to lead us to finals, he was a cheap (read: Fiora (read: free)) replacement for Ottens. He played a couple of ripper seasons for us, also had some freak injuries to restrict him too. I don't understand any negativity towards Simmonds, people are making him out to be the problem with the club, he's far from it and can hold his head high from his 5 years so far.
Given what we traded for him and the salary we paid him, Simmonds is probably the best trade this club has done in 20 years.
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Paul Broderick anyone?
Simmonds is the worst tiger to play 200 games.
And the worst player over 30 in the AFL
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Was $1.2m over 5 years, so $240k per year
Even so, given that's the average AFL salary, for a Vic representative and almost AA ruckman, that's peanuts
how many finals did he lead us into Over his 5 years?
Oh, eff all I hear you say. Contracts based on merit please.
He was never recruited to lead us to finals, he was a cheap (read: Fiora (read: free)) replacement for Ottens. He played a couple of ripper seasons for us, also had some freak injuries to restrict him too. I don't understand any negativity towards Simmonds, people are making him out to be the problem with the club, he's far from it and can hold his head high from his 5 years so far.
Given what we traded for him and the salary we paid him, Simmonds is probably the best trade this club has done in 20 years.
here is a first, me and Infamy agreeing :thumbsup
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Paul Broderick anyone?
Simmonds is the worst tiger to play 200 games.
And the worst player over 30 in the AFL
Just shows you have little idea about football with those comments.
Might also add we traded our club captain and leading goal kicker get Broderick
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Paul Broderick anyone?
Simmonds is the worst tiger to play 200 games.
And the worst player over 30 in the AFL
Biggest load of sooky rubbish I've read.
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Paul Broderick anyone?
Simmonds is the worst tiger to play 200 games.
And the worst player over 30 in the AFL
Biggest load of sooky rubbish I've read.
Beren, totally agree.
It is the worst post ever on the forum
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Paul Broderick anyone?
Simmonds is the worst tiger to play 200 games.
And the worst player over 30 in the AFL
Biggest load of sooky rubbish I've read.
did you watch his football during 2009? The way he "stepped up" in round 1?
And you say our list is overrated yet have this opinion of Simmonds?
Bowden deserves a spot ahead of Simmonds. The only reason he has a contract is because he is a 100kgs of meat thar happens to be taller than 6ft 2.
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Yes I watched him this year, both at Richmond and Coburg. Heard him speak at functions/pre game once or twice too and it was pretty clear -even to blind Freddie- that he was carrying/had a nasty injury till the latter (that means last) part of the season.
I also watched him for the last few years when he was considered good enough to play for a state team amongst other things.
To say that he is the worst ever to play 200 games demonstrates a fine case of tunnel vision and lack of serious, sensible judgement.
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What a silly post that is...do you like the sound of your own keyboard...
Broders was a great little player for us...and so has The Snake been...
The poor guy had stuffed knees in 2009...how quickly people forget his state rep season...Out of interest yellowandblack..how many games did you play?
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In defence of Simmonds, yes this year was a write off, but in the previous 4 years he has been pretty good. I hardly think that he is the worst player to play 200 games for the Tigers, far from it in fact. Don't crucify him for one injury riddled season.
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In defence of Simmonds, yes this year was a write off, but in the previous 4 years he has been pretty good. I hardly think that he is the worst player to play 200 games for the Tigers, far from it in fact. Don't crucify him for one injury riddled season.
Simmonds has had two injury riddled seasons....dont forget 2007 where he only played 10 games.