One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on August 07, 2017, 10:33:26 AM
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Anybody torn? Are we genuinely a good chance to finish top 4, win a couple of finals and maybe even have a crack at the big dance?
Or are we inevitably heading towards another massive crushing defeat and more lay down finals losses?
Are we the real deal? Should we buy into the hype? Or will it all end on tears again?
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The truth is all teams bar one in the end will have it all end in tears. We are not alone there.
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Im already dreaming of a qualifying final against GWS at the MCG .
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If we belt the Cats this week I might change my mind but expecting to be bundled out at this stage. Technically we can still miss finals :rollin
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Adelaide look a level above everyone... when they're on. If we bring the pressure that has gotten us to third place I think we can match it with everyone, then it comes down to conversion and taking the opportunities.
Certainly remaining optimistic but not getting my hopes up.
How do you guys think this team compares to that of 2013?
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Adelaide look a level above everyone... when they're on. If we bring the pressure that has gotten us to third place I think we can match it with everyone, then it comes down to conversion and taking the opportunities.
Certainly remaining optimistic but not getting my hopes up.
How do you guys think this team compares to that of 2013?
I would love to play either Adelaide or GWS at the G in a GF. We have the best win loss in the AFL at the ground this year and should be undefeated there
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After the siren: Come on Tigers, make us believe
afl.com.au
7 August 2017
DEAR Richmond,
Well done on beating the Hawks on Sunday. It wasn't pretty, but at this stage of the year, you bank the four points, pray nobody else gets hurt and move on to next week. On that basis, it was mission accomplished.
And what a week it will be. Geelong at Geelong. A true Saturday afternoon spectacular. Forget about moving the game, even though you'd get double the crowd at the MCG. The Cats have earned some big games at home. They (and we!) have poured enough money into the Palace on Moorabool Street to make it so.
All you need do now is overcome some history. And some history it is. You haven't beaten Geelong in your last 12 attempts. It all started with that 157-point annihilation in 2007 and continued on from there. But you've turned over your entire list since then and indeed the only Richmond player to have been on a winning team at Simonds Stadium is your very own Josh Caddy.
You blunted the Hawks on Sunday with your pressure around the ball and then your outside run. And you had 28 scoring shots on day when Jack Riewoldt was again watching from the stands.
Jack will be back next week and the Catters will be vulnerable. They're venturing into uncharted waters here with Joel Selwood out of the side until at least the finals because of a leg injury. When was the last time they played such a big game without him? They're also coming off their worst defeat at home in 10 years. Ten years!
Surely this is the week for Dustin Martin to run amok and seal the Brownlow once and for all in front of the ineligible Paddy Dangerfield and all his minions. You bat deeper in the midfield and you have the small forwards to put the frighteners into the Cats.
All roads will lead to Geelong this Saturday.
So, here's the deal Tigers. Speaking on behalf of the neutrals, looking for a team to follow this September, we would like it to be you. We would love it to be you. But we're not sure if we're ready to lend you our hearts just yet. Beat Geelong this Saturday, however, and perhaps we will be.
Yours in footy,
The After the Siren Nation
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-06/after-the-siren-come-on-tigers-make-us-believe
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Must finish top 2 with a home qualifying final. Huge game against the cats this week
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If we go into finals with all of Grigg, Houli, BEllis, Edwards, Caddy, Castagna -and I hate say it -even Butler at this stage , then I'm tiping the latter......
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If we go into finals with all of Grigg, Houli, BEllis, Edwards, Caddy, Castagna -and I hate say it -even Butler at this stage , then I'm tiping the latter......
Yet they have been part of a winning formula.....
Amazing but true.
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Yes and the first four are also a large part of why we've never won a final....
Depressing but true.
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Yes and the first four are also a large part of why we've never won a final....
Depressing but true.
Harsh but fair.
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Yep -seems even after 13-14-15 there are still some who still can't quite seem to fathom that finals are a whole new ball game that usually requires a stronger "formula" than the one that merely gets you there...... :shh
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Can't wait to see Grigg jogging along 100m behind his opponent in the last quarter of a final again!
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From here in, we believe.
Possibly with an element of doubt but we believe. :gotigers
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Ok, Who hacked his account, it isn't funny
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From here in, we believe.
Possibly with an element of doubt but we believe. :gotigers
Is this a new leaf Oxy?
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No.
It's just that I'm not a total idiot. :snidegrin
I've waited longer than many on here for a stuffen flag, or at least as long.
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Dare to dream
And
Gotta believe
Anything is possible
Just sit back and enjoy the ride on our rollercoaster
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This is definitely our best team since 2013. I thought our gameplay in 13 was solid. Just could not tag a rampant Judd in the 3rd quarter. Cotch did well from memory and Deledio was injured in the first along with Conca from memory? The mistake in 2013 was bringing in the stuffing pettard instead of Foley.
2014 we ran out of petrol tickets and kicked into the wind.
2015, we had an unsustainable playing style and a very average back 6 compared to now.
I had full belief we can make the GF if we get team selection right. Ala no Morris no Hunt no Griffith or other type of mind numbing decisions
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I had full belief we can make the GF if we get team selection right. Ala no Morris no Hunt no Griffith or other type of mind numbing decisions
Edited to reflect who the coach is.
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was injured in the first along with Conca from memory?
Not sure have blotted it out of memory with alcohol however there is a very good chance that statement is correct
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Why not!
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No.
It's just that I'm not a total idiot. :snidegrin
I've waited longer than many on here for a stuffen flag, or at least as long.
Maybe. But Ive never seen one.
Just spent my life hearing about thr glory days while we played absolute tripe.
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I'm not sold until we beat the cats. The planets seem to be aligning though so would have to be the best chance we've had in ages.
It's time for some revenge.
Until then, the lids still shut and I ain't believing.
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Yep agree we must beat the cats this week to be taken seriously.
Hopefully Caracella can shed some light and we put some cones on the ground to make it thinner.
I think we play the corridor well and the ground should suit us...
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No.
It's just that I'm not a total idiot. :snidegrin
I've waited longer than many on here for a stuffen flag, or at least as long.
To be fair, you did the same thing at the end of 2014 until the whole thing went to poo.
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Well if its good enough for Ox its good enough for me.....
THE LID IS OFF PEOPLES!!!!!!
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There's still a mathematical chance we could miss the finals..... :shh
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No.
It's just that I'm not a total idiot. :snidegrin
I've waited longer than many on here for a stuffen flag, or at least as long.
To be fair, you did the same thing at the end of 2014 until the whole thing went to poo.
So, for like 72 hours? :snidegrin
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If the Dusty announcement is done properly it should be huge incentive....
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No.
It's just that I'm not a total idiot. :snidegrin
I've waited longer than many on here for a stuffen flag, or at least as long.
To be fair, you did the same thing at the end of 2014 until the whole thing went to poo.
So, for like 72 hours? :snidegrin
From memory, it went for about a week ;)
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No.
It's just that I'm not a total idiot. :snidegrin
I've waited longer than many on here for a stuffen flag, or at least as long.
To be fair, you did the same thing at the end of 2014 until the whole thing went to poo.
So, for like 72 hours? :snidegrin
From memory, it went for about a week ;)
Who didnt?
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If the Dusty announcement is done properly it should be huge incentive....
Or the opposite, depending on what is announced.
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Can Richmond Tigers can win the premiership?
Jon Pierik
The Age
8 August 2017
Having already vented his anger at comments made by Kane Cornes, Richmond coach Damien Hardwick was quick to add the shock 67-point loss to St Kilda in round 16 would be a "wake-up" call for the Tigers.
He noticed his team's "method around the ball" had also been on the wane a week earlier against Port Adelaide, although there was enough of a contribution to snare a 13-point win. But the loss to the Saints again raised issues about the Tigers' hardness – concerns that have been erased in the four weeks since. To the point the question has to be asked – are they the best hope of keeping the premiership cup in Victoria?
The 29-point win over the Hawks has left the Tigers as the highest-ranked Victorian club at this stage of the season since 1982 – the last time they appeared in a grand final.
It's also raised expectations among the success-starved Tigers faithful, with tickets fast selling out to get aboard the "Tiger train".
"I think we just embrace it. We are enjoying the challenge at the moment and enjoying the struggle of the AFL season. It's been an incredible season so far and the players have enjoyed that behind Trent [Cotchin], Jack [Riewoldt] and Alex [Rance] really," Hardwick said.
No doubt he innocently forgot to mention a certain Dustin Martin, a one-man wrecking crew storming his way towards the Brownlow medal, and a swag of media awards.
Martin was superb against the Hawks on an afternoon the Tigers showed why they are for real. Admittedly, there are major tests to come, with nemesis Geelong up next. They have lost their past 12 straight to the Cats, their last win coming in round nine, 2006, at Simonds Stadium. Bigger picture, they must avoid the stage fright that came during three-straight elimination-final defeats.
However, this side feels more secure, has a more robust game-style and exerts tremendous pressure – the hallmark of any premiership side.
Much has been made of the pressure small forwards Daniel Rioli, Jason Castagna, Dan Butler and Shane Edwards have put on inside attacking 50. Rioli had a team-high 29 pressure acts (seven tackles) against the Hawks, Butler had 22, Edwards 15 and Castagna 12. Remember the ferocity of Cyril Rioli and Paul Puopolo in the Hawks' premiership years? This ensures repeated shots at goal.
This "small-ball" line-up has left Jack Riewoldt as generally the only marking tall inside 50. The Swans, Adelaide and Cats, for instance, generally prefer having two talls.
For the Tigers, as Leigh Matthews pointed out, you play to your strengths.
"You go with what you are good at, which is speed and quickness," he said.
In Riewoldt's absence on Sunday, Josh Caddy, given a licence to also push up the field, helped to cover for Riewoldt with four goals – his best game at Punt Road. Kane Lambert and Dion Prestia also lifted.
The Tigers have also been superb defensively – and that's just as important as anything, for history shows a premier is typically ranked in the top three for least-points conceded. The Tigers are ranked No.1, conceding 77.5 points per game. The Bulldogs were third last year (72.9). The Hawks were No.1 in 2015 (70.5).
Alex Rance and David Astbury have become somewhat of a wall across half-back. Rance is second in the league for intercept possessions, behind only Adelaide's Jake Lever.
The Hawks had hoped the smaller Taylor Duryea would have quelled him. That did not work, with the bigger Jarryd Roughead eventually making him more accountable. When they were crunched by the Saints, it was no coincidence Nick Riewoldt not only stopped Rance's rebound but also booted goals himself. The Cats, no doubt, have taken note.
A more direct game plan has also been pivotal for the Tigers. They rank near the foot of the statistical ladder in terms of disposals per game, uncontested possessions and marks overall. Yet this has not impacted on their forward-50 entries, where they rank fourth (+5) in differentials and are No.1 for marks inside 50. A key to this is that they are ranked No.1 for disposal efficiency.
What would also please the Tigers is that they had a side with the fourth-fewest average games played (90) take to the field. Only North Melbourne, Gold Coast and Brisbane are below.
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd has declared "if you haven't believed in Richmond, you should now". It's a belief that's gaining currency by the week.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/can-richmond-tigers-can-win-the-premiership-20170807-gxqq4g.html
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Have to learn to cope with the media hype, this week will be a big test mentally as well as physically. A wounded Cats at their home ground after a demoralising loss is not going to be easy so if we are not switched on then we go from hero to zero very quickly.
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The 'experts' have us split between finishing 2nd & 3rd.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-10/who-plays-finals-who-wins-the-spoon
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Adam "Collingwood's list is better than Richmond's" Treloar now thinks we can win the flag.
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/adam-treloar-says-richmond-can-win-the-premiership-afl-tigers-collingwood-pies-magpies-trent-cotchin/1e37vt0jksgq91t3ckzw7k0cj2
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No.
It's just that I'm not a total idiot. :snidegrin
I've waited longer than many on here for a stuffen flag, or at least as long.
To be fair, you did the same thing at the end of 2014 until the whole thing went to poo.
So, for like 72 hours? :snidegrin
From memory, it went for about a week ;)
Who didnt?
That would be me.
They need to win it this yr because make no mistake the wilderness beckons.
Personally i cant see it but when every single other team in the comp looks just as lousy at times who knows.
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2017 not a real premiership- clawski.
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Barrett having a bet each way in his 'Sliding Doors' column:
RICHMOND
IF ... the premiership dream wasn't real before last week's match against the Hawks ...
THEN ... it is now. And will be in sharp focus if a win can be secured at the Cattery.
Yet under the Geelong one he says he expects them to beat us tomorrow ::).
"but we now reckon you'll beat the Tigers and re-set for September."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-11/sliding-doors-round-21
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Saw that. He loves sitting on the fence, ole Damo...
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While Matty Lloyd on 3aw was surprisingly forgiving about the loss, the past week has sadly gone to the way of the usual script:
1. Richmond has a few wins in a row including an upset win over a good side.
2. The media pumps us up on Sunday night and some journos even call us genuine contenders.
3. We're plastered all over TV and radio shows by Monday.
4. A zillion media stories are written by Tuesday.
5. Even lesser-like Tigers get full page spreads by Wednesday.
6. By Thursday, bookies have us as favourites despite our history of failing to handle expectation and irrespective of how we've struggled against
the upcoming opposition and/or at a certain venue.
7. Club does press conferences saying how it's different this time around and "we embrace expectation".
8. Obligatory appearance by coach, senior player(s) or both on the Footy Show.
9. By Friday, OER thread asks 'if this time is the real deal or is it another false dawn?'
10. By gameday, we've had a full week of glaring media and public attention while the opposition can focus on the game out of the spotlight.
Result:
We play crap with our weaknesses and weak links fully exposed; get screwed by the umps; early game-ending injury affects our structures; and we lose having failed a combination of handling expectation, favouritism, and pressure from a fully pumped up opposition.
:P
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While Matty Lloyd on 3aw was surprisingly forgiving about the loss, the past week has sadly gone to the way of the usual script:
I am actually feeling pretty good about today at the moment.
Yep, we lost and we didn't play well.
But I am backing our boys to turn this around, win the next two and approach the finals ready to put our best foot forward.
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I am looking at the second half where I fully expect us to turn up our toes and we didn't.
Like most sides, we couldn't work out how to move the ball down the ground - particularly from the half back line and they did it routinely because it's their home ground.
I'd back us against the Cats at the G
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While Matty Lloyd on 3aw was surprisingly forgiving about the loss, the past week has sadly gone to the way of the usual script:
I am actually feeling pretty good about today at the moment.
Yep, we lost and we didn't play well.
But I am backing our boys to turn this around, win the next two and approach the finals ready to put our best foot forward.
A Richmond supporter feeling good after that loss?
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Hopefully that was a wake up call and we will take better intensity into the finals
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Hopefully a wake up call to Halfstep that we can't go into finals yet again with the likes of Houli, Bellis & Grigg all in the side....
ahahahah..as if.......:help
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We'll finish 4th.
Lose to Adelaide by the length of the Flemington Strait in week 1.
Week 2 Sydney will outgun us easily at the MCG as we are as soft as melted butter.
Then we'll have 6 months off to reflect and stoke the fire for 2018.
Which we all know if it includes a final win will be purely coincidental and a stroke of good fortune.
Richmond is a latin word for no hopers.
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Probably the loss we had to have leading into the finals
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I think we all know the answer to that
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Worst thing is - The belief just isn't there.
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I don't believe and won't believe.
This bunch of fairy-floss pansies couldn't scare a mouse. This is the same mob that lost a final to a bunch of cheats. Couldn't beat a mentally week demons in Tommy Hafeys tribute game. Couldn't win a final in three years.
These limp-wristed panty wearers are imposters. Have no balls. Don't have heart.
Seriously how can anyone trust this bunch of imposters.
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While Matty Lloyd on 3aw was surprisingly forgiving about the loss, the past week has sadly gone to the way of the usual script:
I am actually feeling pretty good about today at the moment.
Yep, we lost and we didn't play well.
But I am backing our boys to turn this around, win the next two and approach the finals ready to put our best foot forward.
A Richmond supporter feeling good after that loss?
Yeah, poor choice of words. Comfortable maybe, certainly not gutted or devastated.
I don't really subscribe to the 'loss you had to have' or 'wake up call' theories, but I do think this performance will be a motivator for this team.
If we had won today, I have a nasty feeling that the team would really have been drinking its own bathwater, but on what? Beating a limp Hawthorn missing Hodge and a half strength Cats team albeit on their home turf. GC and Brisbane in the weeks prior to that.
The fact that we lost today to this Cats team (that is, undermanned) underscores that we are a fair way from a true premiership contender based on our performances for the last month. Hopefully it will dampen some of the media driven hysteria around us being a finals force and will allow the team to concentrate on the task at hand, maybe even fly under the radar for a bit.
Because when we play our first final, all of these players are going to find out what pressure to perform really is, especially on the back of losing our last 3 finals. And I want to see us as well prepared as possible for that test.
I believe in Balme and what he brings to our club, an astute footy mind not scared of hard calls and not prepared to sugar coat it. I want a warts and all examination under finals pressure, and I want the team ready for it, not peeing in their own pockets.
And if this loss doesn't motivate the team, we all know what the result will be because we have seen it before.
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I think this loss was an important step in our teams development
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Lost on team selection, we never learn
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Lost on team selection, we never learn
yep
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so we lost no surprise.
we failed to kick more than 12 goals against a top half team again no surprise,
against better sides the set up is both a blessing because of pressure but also a curse we dont kick scores hence we are always open to defeat.nothing has changed and it is probably too late to try something different where we get the best of both worlds pressure and offence not just one
Need to bring more than just pressure in big games.
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so what has really changed martin and cotchin were servicable but didnt dominate what happens.
so many passengers again yes again, every week we have too many non contributers and others who only go in spurts.we have just one fwd who regularly kicks more than one goal a game and when the better players dont dominate few if any others manage to step up and fill the void.
Castagna soldo, Butler and C Ellis may as welll ot played. others like McIntosh Edwards Grigg rioli did some good things but went missing for big chunlks again. Houli and B Ellis fmd they epitimise all that is wrong at the club yeah they get plenty of ball but they have hearts as big as peas you just know they will fold when you most need em to stand up.
When we win these things and more all get brushed under the carpet , when we lose they come out for all to see. they have never gone away they have always been there.
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The more i watch Houli and B Ellis the more i am convinced they are a problem. Their decision making and disposal is just not up to snuff for a top 4 team.
The more games they get means we are not getting games into others who we need to develop.
I think we missed Miles against Geelong and think with Anthony playing the balance is much better.
These are just instances, but the inability of our selectors apparent fear to rightfully exclude players who really need a rest, damages team ethos, fails to explore other players on our list and invariably leads to the non performing position we are in, regarding high pressure games.
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Lost on team selection, we never learn
.....but I thought we "had to trust the process"?
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Good one, :bow