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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 11, 2007, 04:41:34 AM
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Might be jumping the gun before 10am but with other clubs wanting him it seems a certainty that Gourdis will be Tiger via the PSD.
So welcome Dave :cheers.
Profile
Age: 18 (some confusion on DOB. Some sites have 14/3/89 and others 24/11/89).
Height: 193 cm
Weight: 89 kg
State: Western Australia
Club(s): Subiaco
Draft Camp results
Repeat 30 Metre Sprints: 24.22 sec (6th)
Vertical Jump: 81cm (1st)
20-Metre Sprint: 2.83 sec (1st)
WAFL Colts stats
Games: 14
Goals: 16
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=David%20Gourdis&action=PSTATS&pID=185271002&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374294
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
And some vision that was earlier posted by RROFO and Nugget_12
mms://wm9.streaming.telstra.com/wh_afl1/OnDemand/Preseason08/davidgourdis.wmv (http://mms://wm9.streaming.telstra.com/wh_afl1/OnDemand/Preseason08/davidgourdis.wmv)
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Hopefully this becomes reality! David can seriously play!
Who cares why he slipped through the ND! just sit back and enjoy what could very well possibly be the best PSD pick of a junior since Danyle Pearce.
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Jeepers, jumping the gun. Please be true though, please be true. :pray
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Confirmed by SEN and on the radio now.
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Nice to have a taller, running type on the list...welcome gordo!
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Gourdis on SEN
* came through the U15, U16, U18s systems. Club Subiaco.
* Did sprints and jumps as well which helped him a lot with footy.
* Staying with Miller in Melbourne. Looking forward to living here.
* He's single.
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David Gourdis Welcome ! ...
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Nearly everyone had Gourdis going first round in the national draft.
Bluey's mock draft
5. Bulldogs – David Gourdis
Pros
- workhorse
- superb athlete for his size (possibly the 2nd coming of the G-train)
- good converter
- always tries to bring team-mates into the game
Cons
– could have been taken last year, is there something we don’t know?
- lacks agility
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=6218.0
aflinsider.net
AFL Positions:
A quick-leading, high-flying centre half forward. Probably plays better in the space around half forward but would also be effective when isolated in the goal-square at full forward.
AFLinsider.net prediction:
Somewhere in the first round, which might mean anywhere from pick 5 to pick 15.
AFL Fantasy Outlook:
The potential is there for him to be a very good fantasy forward, with contested marks and goals, but it could be a couple of years away.
http://www.aflinsider.net/2007-afl-draft-prospect-david-gourdis/
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More opinions pre-draft on Gourdis.....
Weaver's phantom draft from BF
5. Bulldogs - Dave Gourdis
Gourdis is the best key position player in the draft and certainly the best tall forward prospect. Dogs remain desperate for a marking option and Gourdis' style which is as a hit-up CHF like Tarrant will probably sit well with a team that likes to run. Gourdis is quick off the mark and has a huge motor. He is well built and an improving and long kick. He is a safe selection because even if flops up front he has a long career down back. That pace off the mark is the key. Lets him get separation on backmen, and gives him closing speed when he is defending. Unlike a few of the other touted bigmen he can actually kick a goal and finish-off his good play, but isn’t a selfish forward. Will coach-up well.
TOA's phantom draft from BF
Pick 16 – Port – Dave GOURDIS (24/03/89) 192/89
Gourdis is the x-factor of the 2007 draft, both in terms of his ability and where he could end up. His athletic capabilities are undoubted, his time of 2.83 for the 20m is outstanding for a midfielder, let alone a key position player. Some believe he could go top 10, others say he could slide out to the 20s. Being top-age, history indicates he will slide somewhat but his draft camp results may make him an exception to this trend. Port are keen on adding a key position player from one of their three selections and they have been linked to Gourdis and will look long and hard at him if he is available at their first pick. Gourdis has attracted the interest of the Swans and Crows so its conceivable he could go earlier in the first round.
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Quigley's phantom draft from BF
13. West Coast – David Gourdis – DOB 24/11/89 Ht 193 Wt 88
Gourdis played some great football at HF for WA at the championships and when this is combined with his stunning results from camp you have one of the most intriguing prospects going around. He lit up Canberra this year when he broke the vertical jump record (81cm), won the 20 metre sprint with a great time (2.83) and was sixth in the repeat 30 metre sprints (24.22). From a key position prospect they make people sit up and pay attention but when you consider that he can actually play as well teams start to salivate and someone might well jump the gun and take him very early.
He has legitimate key position height and looks like he has a body type that will fill out well and he certainly has the pace to create separation or close a man down depending on what end he is playing. He would be close to the best contested and pack mark at the championships this year and he has very soft hands and great timing on his jumps. One thing which does need to be ironed out is where he takes his marks. At the moment when he is up forward he seems to be shepherded too easily to the boundary or outside the 50 and as a result he is left with extremely difficult shots on goal. At the Champs he didn’t get many shots at goal despite the number of marks he had. One thing which he does very well is after a mark, get back to his feet quickly and look for his options. He has good awareness and if an option is open he will look to take it quickly. He has good vision and will look to pick out the right target but at the moment his disposal lets him down too often. His kicking is somewhat erratic and he doesn’t seem to have great feel on his passes.
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Hopefully this becomes reality! David can seriously play!
Who cares why he slipped through the ND! just sit back and enjoy what could very well possibly be the best PSD pick of a junior since Danyle Pearce.
Pearce was a rookie pick ;)
but yeah lets hope Gouridis performs just like Pearce :gotigers
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Hopefully this becomes reality! David can seriously play!
Who cares why he slipped through the ND! just sit back and enjoy what could very well possibly be the best PSD pick of a junior since Danyle Pearce.
Pearce was a rookie pick ;)
but yeah lets hope Gouridis performs just like Pearce :gotigers
Are you sure blue boy? i am pretty confidant that he was taken in the PSD.....i could be wrong but i was very confidant in posting this!
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Hopefully this becomes reality! David can seriously play!
Who cares why he slipped through the ND! just sit back and enjoy what could very well possibly be the best PSD pick of a junior since Danyle Pearce.
Pearce was a rookie pick ;)
but yeah lets hope Gouridis performs just like Pearce :gotigers
Are you sure blue boy? i am pretty confidant that he was taken in the PSD.....i could be wrong but i was very confidant in posting this!
absolutely sure
This made Pearce become the first former rookie-listed player to win the award
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danyle_Pearce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danyle_Pearce)
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Hopefully this becomes reality! David can seriously play!
Who cares why he slipped through the ND! just sit back and enjoy what could very well possibly be the best PSD pick of a junior since Danyle Pearce.
Pearce was a rookie pick ;)
but yeah lets hope Gouridis performs just like Pearce :gotigers
Are you sure blue boy? i am pretty confidant that he was taken in the PSD.....i could be wrong but i was very confidant in posting this!
absolutely sure
This made Pearce become the first former rookie-listed player to win the award
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danyle_Pearce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danyle_Pearce)
Cheers mate :thumbsup i stand corrected and i apologise!
I will happily cop this one on the chin ;)
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to take the conversation on a tangent how good is pearce, a bit subdued this year due to injuries and closer attention but this guy is an awesome talent. His pace, skills, decision making and flair :bow
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
Oooh!!! That's what I like to see. If only I was 20 years younger :-\
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
Oooh!!! That's what I like to see. If only I was 20 years younger :-\
looks like the hulk getting angry :D
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Richmond goes for Gourdis
Tue 11 December, 2007
By Ben Broad
richmondfc.com.au
RICHMOND has added Subiaco youngster David Gourdis to its senior list after selecting him with the first pick in Tuesday’s NAB AFL Pre-season Draft.
Gourdis, 18, missed out at last month’s NAB AFL Draft and had been training with the Tigers since being overlooked.
Richmond director of football Greg Miller said the tall, athletic forward was on the Tigers’ wish list the moment clubs had completed their shopping at the NAB AFL Draft on November 24.
“Francis Jackson, our recruiting guy, the minute the national draft finished he was on the phone to him [David] saying: ‘Look, we’ve got first choice in the pre-season draft, you’re the best player that’s missed out in the national draft, come over and let’s get to know you’,” Miller said.
“He came over, stayed two weeks and he was excellent … everything he did was spot-on.”
Miller said the two weeks Gourdis spent with the club during pre-season training confirmed the Tigers’ decision for their all-important No.1 choice at Tuesday’s draft.
“Any player that misses the national draft has got some deficiencies as a lot of players in the national draft do, but what we do know about him after two weeks is that he’s got superior athleticism, he’s got superior courage,” Miller said.
“Any deficiency in skill, he’s got the right attitude to work on it.
“They’re the three things we had to examine and we saw them first-hand for two weeks.”
Richmond believes Gourdis will develop into a handy key position player in coming years, as he has superb pace for a player of his size (192cm).
Gourdis said he “couldn’t be happier” after his name was the first called on Tuesday morning, and admitted his emotions were very different to those of a few weeks earlier.
“Obviously that was pretty disappointing [to get overlooked at the NAB AFL Draft] but it’s worked out great,” Gourdis said.
“When I got a call from the club, that sort of confirmed that the dream wasn’t over or anything and I got another chance at it and they were interested, and I hopped on [the plane] the next day.
“It’s made it a lot easier as well, knowing a few of the guys, and not being scared about [starting at the club].”
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=54190
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Once he is taught where and when to lead this kid while make a fantastic forward, possibly our future CHF.
At the very least he would be a sensational link up man and give our backmen someone to look for.
Fantastic option for a PSD pick!
Stripes
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Once he is taught where and when to lead this kid while make a fantastic forward, possibly our future CHF.
At the very least he would be a sensational link up man and give our backmen someone to look for.
Fantastic option for a PSD pick!
Stripes
apparently the club wants to turn him into a key defender, but personally hope he eventually fills the CHF void post Rico, he has the attributes
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
Oooh!!! That's what I like to see. If
only I was 20 years younger :-\
u would still be 20 years older than him :scream
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
Oooh!!! That's what I like to see. If
only I was 20 years younger :-\
u would still be 20 years older than him :scream
:nope let's not go there ox ;) :lol
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Fair go Ox, I'm only a year or 2 older than you.
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Once he is taught where and when to lead this kid while make a fantastic forward, possibly our future CHF.
At the very least he would be a sensational link up man and give our backmen someone to look for.
Fantastic option for a PSD pick!
Stripes
apparently the club wants to turn him into a key defender, but personally hope he eventually fills the CHF void post Rico, he has the attributes
Agree bluey. Let's not pigeon hole the kid as a key defender before he's played one game. The retirements of Richo and Browny will leave a big hole and there's no obvious successors as yet.
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
Oooh!!! That's what I like to see. If
only I was 20 years younger :-\
u would still be 20 years older than him :scream
That's not a very nice thing to say!
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
Oooh!!! That's what I like to see. If
only I was 20 years younger :-\
u would still be 20 years older than him :scream
That's not a very nice thing to say!
Sorry Saintly one ::)
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Back to the topic folks ::)
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Wooden spooner Richmond used their No.1 pick on David Gourdis, 18, a tall, athletic forward from WAFL club Subiaco.
Gourdis was highly rated in speed and leap at this year's draft camp but was overlooked in last month's national draft because of concerns over his kicking ability.
But Richmond director of football Greg Miller said Gourdis had proved during a fortnight of training with the club he was prepared to work hard on his skills.
"We talked to him about some of his skill deficiencies and he's prepared to work on them, and his attitude's right and he'll get better in those areas," Miller said.
http://news.smh.com.au/bulldogs-hopeful-welsh-can-add-goals/20071211-1gbo.html
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
Oooh!!! That's what I like to see. If
only I was 20 years younger :-\
u would still be 20 years older than him :scream
That's not a very nice thing to say!
Sorry Saintly one ::)
I thought it was a very quick and witty response. :rollin I'm sure Julz has a good enough sense of humour to handle a comment like that.
Oops sorry One-eyed, Back to the topic. 8)
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The Club definitely see Gourdis a future key defender going by it's email to members.
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DAVID GOURDIS: Pre-season Draft pick No.1
Recruited from: Subiaco (WA)
Born: 14/3/89
Height: 192.4cm
Weight: 88.9kg
Strongly built, powerful key-position player with excellent pace and vertical leap. Showed outstanding athletic
ability at the 2007 Draft Camp, ranking first overall for the 20-metre sprint (2.83 seconds) and in the running vertical jump (101cm). He also ranked in the top eight percent in the six-by-30-metre repeat sprints. Represented the triumphant WA team at the AFL under-18 championships this year, kicking three goals in a forward role in the match against SA. Was a surprise non-selection in the November National Draft after being touted beforehand as a possible top-20 pick. The Tigers invited him to train with them in the lead-up to the
Pre-season Draft and he made a distinct impression with his athleticism and attitude. Played mainly as a key forward in junior ranks, but has the necessary attributes to also develop into a key backman.
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Why hasnt XxX been in here to bask in the glory of Gourdis?
He was his love child before the draft. :rollin
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A pic of Gourdis
(http://www.realfooty.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/PM_gourdis.jpg)
Oooh!!! That's what I like to see. If
only I was 20 years younger :-\
u would still be 20 years older than him :scream
That's not a very nice thing to say!
Sorry Saintly one ::)
I thought it was a very quick and witty response. :rollin I'm sure Julz has a good enough sense of humour to handle a comment like that.
Oops sorry One-eyed, Back to the topic. 8)
Yeah in a way Ox was right. Had my passport photo taken that day - would have looked 40 years older!
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SEN are claiming we have already notified Gourdis that we will be redrafting him in the PSD with pick 6.
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Good :thumbsup
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Good move, still believe he has a lot to offer
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What about that guy from Sydney? Wasn't the story that if we wanted him we needed to pick him up in the PSD or Sydney would claim him with their rookie pick. I'm guessing people are just wondering why we are no using our pick 6 in the PSD to recruit Cousins so are pulling out names.
Stripes
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i think it's lame if we use a PSD pick on him. i mean, why bother delisting him in the first place if we intend to pick him up again.
i mean, sure, if we intended to draft him as a rookie then it's fair enough, but getting him with a PSD pick is just stupid management IMO, no matter how much potential he has.
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In the end of season report i recieved in the main, Gourdis was a notable absentee from departures list.
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I don't understand...
We can rookie Gourdis, right?
So I understand going through all of this Polak business if we had wanted someone that Sydney could rookie before us (Klemke). But if we are taking Gourdis, why not take Cousins in the PSD @ 6 and rookie Gourdis?
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We can rookie Gourdis but clubs with picks before us (like Freo) can grab him first before our pick 8.
If we're redrafting Gourdis in the PSD then we either don't rate Klemke or don't believe the Swans want him.
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I don't understand...
We can rookie Gourdis, right?
So I understand going through all of this Polak business if we had wanted someone that Sydney could rookie before us (Klemke). But if we are taking Gourdis, why not take Cousins in the PSD @ 6 and rookie Gourdis?
Word is that Freo like Gourdis at their rookie pick which is before our's.
FWIW I still think we'll take Gourdis and Klemke in the PSD and that the Cousins stuff is a bit of hoo haa.
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We can rookie Gourdis but clubs with picks before us (like Freo) can grab him first before our pick 8.
Word is that Freo like Gourdis at their rookie pick which is before our's.
Thanks guys
I hadn't heard of Freo's interest - don't get much Tiger news here in the Rheinland
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If the Cuz scenario is a major media beat up and we get the rookie list spot for Polak I think the scenario is pretty clear then.
6. Gourdis
7. Klemke
:thumbsup
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I don't think we would bother speaking to Cousins and putting up the media shutters at Punt Rd if we are just planning to take two kids in the PSD.
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I don't think we would bother speaking to Cousins and putting up the media shutters at Punt Rd if we are just planning to take two kids in the PSD.
Agree. It even seems beyond Sheeds to play with the media and general public's minds like that.
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I don't understand...
We can rookie Gourdis, right?
So I understand going through all of this Polak business if we had wanted someone that Sydney could rookie before us (Klemke). But if we are taking Gourdis, why not take Cousins in the PSD @ 6 and rookie Gourdis?
Word is that Freo like Gourdis at their rookie pick which is before our's.
FWIW I still think we'll take Gourdis and Klemke in the PSD and that the Cousins stuff is a bit of hoo haa.
Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.
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Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.
The clubs don't have to allow it Y&B. They were only asked for their opinion.
The final verdict rests on the shoulders of the AFL commision. They will pass down their decision as they see fit on Monday.
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Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.
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The clubs don't have to allow it Y&B. They were only asked for their opinion.
The final verdict rests on the shoulders of the AFL commision. They will pass down their decision as they see fit on Monday.
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Yep it appears the AFL commission won't block it if it's only one or two clubs sooking. Hawthorn, Essendon, Melbourne have publicly said yes to our application.
Pick 6: David Gourdis
Pick 7: Ben Cousins
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Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.
The clubs don't have to allow it Y&B. They were only asked for their opinion.
The final verdict rests on the shoulders of the AFL commision. They will pass down their decision as they see fit on Monday.
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MT, I thought that might be the case, but there has been conflicting reports in the press. The only nagging doubt that I have is with the intentions of the Bombers. A guy at work knows a board member at Bomber land who mentioned the Bombers were keen only last week. I hope he heard wrong.
Yep it appears the AFL commission won't block it if it's only one or two clubs sooking. Hawthorn, Essendon, Melbourne have publicly said yes to our application.
Pick 6: David Gourdis
Pick 7: Ben Cousins
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Mate, if the clubs allow it, he is coming to Tigerland.
The clubs don't have to allow it Y&B. They were only asked for their opinion.
The final verdict rests on the shoulders of the AFL commision. They will pass down their decision as they see fit on Monday.
Yep it appears the AFL commission won't block it if it's only one or two clubs sooking. Hawthorn, Essendon, Melbourne have publicly said yes to our application.
Pick 6: David Gourdis
Pick 7: Ben Cousins
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MT, I thought that might be the case, but there has been conflicting reports in the press. The only nagging doubt that I have is with the intentions of the Bombers. A guy at work knows a board member at Bomber land who mentioned the Bombers were keen only last week. I hope he heard wrong.
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Peter Jackson, their CEO, was the most vocal supporter of all the opposition clubs in the papers this morning. Miller said this morning that's because we were the most vocal supporter when they wanted to Rama as a mature rookie. A case of you scratch my back and I scratch yours.
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It seems too big a story for any other club than Richmond to pick him up. I just hope this renewed interest by the Tigers/Media does not prick the interest of another club.
I almost wish the Tigers said nothing and then just picked him up out of the blue on Tuesday with their 1st pick. If this went belly up now, it would be a bit of a downer for everyone.
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Agree Y&B.
I think Melbourne are out given their position on taking youth at every opportunity. Port comitted to Carr. Carlton have said no and are probably right with their midfield, but wouldn't be surprised if they got keen at the last minute. Essendon agree is most likely. Brisbane had sponsor troubles IIRC so would need a backflip there.
On a different note, what does having Polak as a mature rookie mean for our TPP?
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We can rookie Gourdis but clubs with picks before us (like Freo) can grab him first before our pick 8.
If we're redrafting Gourdis in the PSD then we either don't rate Klemke or don't believe the Swans want him.
realise that completely MT. my problem with the footy department is that if they wanted gourdis, then they shouldn't have delisted him in the first place. if they were delisting him with the view of putting him on the rookie list (which i totally support), then our plans shouldn't change just because some club may take him before us in the rookie draft. if they deem him rookie draft material, then they should run the risk of losing him instead of doing a backflip
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On a different note, what does having Polak as a mature rookie mean for our TPP?
I presume if Polly is allowed to go onto the rookie list his salary isn't included inside our salary cap. Gourdis was already on our senior list so no change there if he is redrafted at pick 6. Cousins would have to end up on a base wage as he's in no bargaining position to demand big $$$. The AFL would have looked at the TPPs after the 3rd list lodgement and as they've said nothing about us having 1 or 2 PSD picks our TPP must be fine and under the cap.
Carlton will take ex-Demon Chris Johnson btw.
1. Melb - ?.....best kid available
2. Port - Josh Carr
3. Ess - ?..... maybe Hayden Skipworth
4. Carl - Chris Johnson
5. Bris - Tippett or a promoted rookie
6. Rich - David Gourdis
7. Rich - Ben Cousins
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We can rookie Gourdis but clubs with picks before us (like Freo) can grab him first before our pick 8.
If we're redrafting Gourdis in the PSD then we either don't rate Klemke or don't believe the Swans want him.
realise that completely MT. my problem with the footy department is that if they wanted gourdis, then they shouldn't have delisted him in the first place. if they were delisting him with the view of putting him on the rookie list (which i totally support), then our plans shouldn't change just because some club may take him before us in the rookie draft. if they deem him rookie draft material, then they should run the risk of losing him instead of doing a backflip
Brisbane picking up Bart McCulloch mucked up our plans. We wouldn't have had a PSD pick if McCulloch slipped to pick 70 and would've had to risk Gourdis going to Freo in the rookie draft. Presumably after looking at all these remaining kids training with us Craig Cameron and Francis Jackson don't consider them any better than Gourdis.
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SEN are claiming we have already notified Gourdis that we will be redrafting him in the PSD with pick 6.
Have SEN added anymore info to original "claim"?
Must say it seems strange if true...
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Richmond are dumb!
it must be that!
why delist Gourdis at the end of '08???
then think about putting him on the rookie list but now because we have "heard rumors fremantle" are interested in him, we get scared like girls and say "we take him with our pick 6"???
Richmond have no men running that club.
i though Gourdis needed time. but no, we delist him. i heard he had depression???
i hope Polak is moved to the rookie.
i am not in favour of Cousins at Richmond, but if it happenes i will not complain.
WHAT HAPPENED TO RICHMOND'S "GOING WITH YOUTH POLICY"???
i hope we draft two 17 year olds and get Gourdis in the Rookie.
if he goes before our 1st rookie pick, then stiff Richmond, you stupid nuff nuffs should of kept him!
why can't we Rookie Cousins??? he can play half the year and get paid less then if on the senior list.
though i don't think he would take that! but, if he is desperate then why not???
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The AFL would have to allow Cousins as a rookie, at least Polak has a genuine reason to be put on the rookie list following the Ramanaskas precedent. Allowing Cousins as a rookie would create a whole new rule specifically for him which I can't see happening.
As for Gourdis, there's nothing wrong with the club cutting a player to keep their options open and then pick them up again once evaluating the talent on offer. It's not like it's never been done before, obviously they consider Gourdis worth keeping and don't want to risk losing him to another club in the rookie draft, so how about you armchair critics get over it.
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Here's some footage of Gourdis training this week
http://player.video.news.com.au/heraldsun/#O4l2J1X49qkinXMAYkA_OEUsS_9_d7ym
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Any feel for this kid I mean the pressure of getting into the best 22 is one thing but being the guy that we take instead of Ben Cousins is a massive load of pressure to take on..
Richard Tambling only last year looked to have shaken the monkey off his back from all the media rubbish put on him because he should have been Franklin crap went around for years.
We must take Cousins and hope Gourdis survives 7 picks in Rookie Draft otherwise we're left with no Cousins and a nervous Gourdis trying to keep his contract into 2010 while being the guy that was in the way of a Ben Cousins Richmond debut....
Thoghts?
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We got to take Cousins we have to take the best player possible, the rookies are all duds anyway wont even make the team in the next to 2 years as our list are talented players already fighting for spots.
Richmond board has to step up and listen to the members and make a correct decision which is selecting Ben Cousins.
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Dave can breath easy according to 3aw.
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If we select Gourdis ill be extremely disappointed extremely, I would be absolutely disguted in the richmond footy club, the thought of recruiting Groudis or any other kid for that matter instead of Ben, makes me want to throw up.
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Would be good if Gourdis refused to play for Freo next year, sat out of AFL in 2009 and then played for Coburg at an increased contract knowing we will pick him up in next year's draft
He would only play at Coburg seniors next year anyway and it would give him time to develop as a project player
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Tell you what though IMO what a waste if we redraft Gourdis, *smile* we just delisted him.
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Poor Gourdis = meat in the sandwich
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The player IS NOT Gourdis
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huh??????? ???
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The player IS NOT Gourdis
Klemke then.
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The player IS NOT Gourdis
Klemke then.
Yep meaning Gourdis may be off to Freo.
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He's back!
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Well we already know Dave. So much for Freo wanting him at pick 3 :whistle.
David Gourdis
Date of Birth: 14-03-1989 (age 19)
Recruited from Subiaco
1st overall, 2007 PSD; 2008 Rookie Draft Pick 24
Height: 192cm
Weight: 90kg
Position Full Back/Full Forward
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There was a lot of excitment around Gourdis when he first was recruited. His biggest deficency was his kicking - how has he progressed in this area? What is holding him back from playing consistently for Coburg?
Stripes
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I'm glad we've got him back, he's now on our rookie list where we always wanted him to be so he has time to develop properly.
In his first year he's already had games at Coburg 2nds of 30+ disposals out of defence plus another game of 7 goals as a forward and has earned a spot in the Coburg Seniors before the year was out.
Hopefully he will get a full season as a forward for Coburg Seniors in 2009 as I think we are covered in defence. He would be a very strong leading forward as no one can catch him and he's pretty good overhead, his kicking wouldn't be such an issue either.
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I remember before he was drafted David was a big hit with our supporters who wanted the club to draft him. We drafted him, delisted him and rookied him.
So where is he? Has he improved at all? Has he got any chance of playing senior football any time soon? Has his kicking improved? Does anybody think he could hold down Full Forward down the track?
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So where is he?
Coburg seniors this year as oppsed to Coburg ressies last year
Has he improved at all?
Yes but still along way off AFL level IMHO. Needs to improve his defensive pressure inside the F50.
Very very quick though
Has he got any chance of playing senior football any time soon?
Nope - not unless we get another long term injury. Although I would think Silvestor is ahead of him in the promotion stakes
Has his kicking improved?
Yes to set shots at goal. Not enough improve in his kicking on the run (again just my opinion)
Does anybody think he could hold down Full Forward down the track?
Possibly. WOuld think he is more of a chance than the bloke most people thought would be our next FF, who is currently running around in the coburg ressies (aka Cleve ;D :help)
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Possibly. WOuld think he is more of a chance than the bloke most people thought would be our next FF, who is currently running around in the coburg ressies (aka Cleve ;D :help)
is he a good overhead mark, like well above average in that dept...such as JR?...and has he filled out enough ???
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what Gourdis can do at AFL level. He seems to be steadily progressing but inconsistent in a few areas at the moment. It's still only his 2nd year on the list as a project player and he won't get a chance to be elevated unless we get a long term injury. As long as he's pushing for senior selection by the end of next year when his rookie eligibility runs out, then I'll be happy, hopefully he'll be doing that by the end of this year.
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Has his kicking improved?
Yes to set shots at goal. Not enough improve in his kicking on the run (again just my opinion)
I agree about his kicking WP. Very suspect especially over 30m+. I'm not sure why some supporters were so excited before the draft. Size and athletic wise he looks promising but his footskills or lack of it is why he was demoted back down to the rookie list. If it doesn't improve it would be surprising to see him still around past 2010.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what Gourdis can do at AFL level. He seems to be steadily progressing but inconsistent in a few areas at the moment. It's still only his 2nd year on the list as a project player and he won't get a chance to be elevated unless we get a long term injury. As long as he's pushing for senior selection by the end of next year when his rookie eligibility runs out, then I'll be happy, hopefully he'll be doing that by the end of this year.
i wouldn't think he'd have that much time on his hands, to maintain a spot on the list, he would need to present a case in 2H of this year as in claims for a senior game otherwise it would be outski :-\
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what Gourdis can do at AFL level. He seems to be steadily progressing but inconsistent in a few areas at the moment. It's still only his 2nd year on the list as a project player and he won't get a chance to be elevated unless we get a long term injury. As long as he's pushing for senior selection by the end of next year when his rookie eligibility runs out, then I'll be happy, hopefully he'll be doing that by the end of this year.
i wouldn't think he'd have that much time on his hands, to maintain a spot on the list, he would need to present a case in 2H of this year as in claims for a senior game otherwise it would be outski :-\
He's a rookie and exactly the type of player the rookie list is for. Given he's pretty much cemented his spot at Coburg Seniors after playing most of the year at Coburg Reserves last year and getting a promotion late in the year, he's clearly showing steady improvement. I'd be shocked if he isn't given his two full years on the rookie list, you don't give up on a project player after 2 years when they are improving.
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you're right solid signs of improvement, that will need to continue to lead toward pressing claims for a senior berth...with any luck that could be quite likely :thumbsup
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I still don't think pushing for a senior berth is a requirement this year, a bonus, but not required. He's already pushed past Hughes. There are plenty who need to get cut this year before we start looking at guys like Gourdis. Development is the priority.
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Rawlings on Gourdis in his EOTT report
"David Gourdis
Failed to have an impact on the game last weekend. He goes for too long without being involved in the contest. Does show promising signs, but needs to do more."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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Rawlings on Gourdis in his EOTT report
"David Gourdis
Failed to have an impact on the game last weekend. He goes for too long without being involved in the contest. Does show promising signs, but needs to do more."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
well, a season worth of that wont save his spot...something to work on
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I still don't think pushing for a senior berth is a requirement this year, a bonus, but not required. He's already pushed past Hughes. There are plenty who need to get cut this year before we start looking at guys like Gourdis. Development is the priority.
I know Cleve's been playing Coburg 2nds the past couple of weeks but he also has been coming back from injury. Cleve was in front of Goo at the start of the NAB Cup series as he played against Freo where he injured his foot IIRC.
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I think there's more to it than that
He's been playing VFL 2nds too long for it to be a fitness issue
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I think there's more to it than that
He's been playing VFL 2nds too long for it to be a fitness issue
Foot/ankle injuries can be buggers for taller players to get over in the short term. Gus struggled last year with his. In any case both Cleve and Goo are playing VFL 2nds tomorrow :-\.
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I think there's more to it than that
He's been playing VFL 2nds too long for it to be a fitness issue
well, with 6 in the thirds today and a woeful performance from the burger seniors he'll walk into next weeks side :whistle
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Rawlings on Gourdis in his EOTT report
"David Gourdis
Failed to have an impact on the game last weekend. He goes for too long without being involved in the contest. Does show promising signs, but needs to do more."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
Thank god Rawlings wont be around to see if Gourdis actually does make it.
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Anyone want to offer up an opinion on this young fella?
I hear he is quick and has nice size.
The knock is on his kicking.
Anyone have anything to add here?
Is he a show to play FF because its starting to look like we'll play one short and leave the goal square empty in 2010!!!
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IMO Goo will be very lucky to survive past the first list lodgement at the end of this month. His kicking is a major deficiency especially when kicking over 30m as his technique is dodgy and unreliable. It will go against him. A shame as yep he is a good size for a KPP, solid as a brickhouse and as you said Y&B he's very quick for his size.
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We're short on KPPs. Surely we won't get rid of him.
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From a Richmond official at the B@F nite regarding the rookies....(unofficial of course).
Gourdis.....already signed for 2010 (is highly regarded) that gives us hope for something different in forwardline.
Nahas.......will be promoted (had a top year, no brainer).
Browne.....signed for 2010 and 75% chance to be promoted (prob means the end for Patto) can't see us having 6 senior listed rucks
Gilligan......75% chance to be resigned (is a bit different) Hope that's in a good way
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IMO Goo will be very lucky to survive past the first list lodgement at the end of this month. His kicking is a major deficiency especially when kicking over 30m as his technique is dodgy and unreliable. It will go against him. A shame as yep he is a good size for a KPP, solid as a brickhouse and as you said Y&B he's very quick for his size.
I'd be a little surprised if we got rid of him. Already Schultz, Hughes, Patto are gone so a 4th tall would take our balance of talls back to the dark old day of '04-'06.
Having said that, how crap are the talls on our list?
Particularly given that we did have 3 delisted this year who were all Top 25 picks.
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From a Richmond official at the B@F nite regarding the rookies....(unofficial of course).
Gourdis.....already signed for 2010 (is highly regarded) that gives us hope for something different in forwardline.
Nahas.......will be promoted (had a top year, no brainer).
Browne.....signed for 2010 and 75% chance to be promoted (prob means the end for Patto) can't see us having 6 senior listed rucks
Gilligan......75% chance to be resigned (is a bit different) Hope that's in a good way
Hmmm I wonder if some tiger Offiicials actually know what's going on .... ;D (should I drop in one these ;) at this point ;D )
Personally I would let Gourdis go - don't know holds him high regard? From what I saw this year, didn't show enough improvment and there in lies the problem...
I would let him go
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IMO Goo will be very lucky to survive past the first list lodgement at the end of this month. His kicking is a major deficiency especially when kicking over 30m as his technique is dodgy and unreliable. It will go against him. A shame as yep he is a good size for a KPP, solid as a brickhouse and as you said Y&B he's very quick for his size.
could the same thing be said of Butcher :o
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Had a very injury interupted year this year
I really hope we keep him on, he's exactly the type of player the rookie list is for
He hasn't even had a good coach yet
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IMO Goo will be very lucky to survive past the first list lodgement at the end of this month. His kicking is a major deficiency especially when kicking over 30m as his technique is dodgy and unreliable. It will go against him. A shame as yep he is a good size for a KPP, solid as a brickhouse and as you said Y&B he's very quick for his size.
could the same thing be said of Butcher :o
That is why we MUST take Martin!!
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Had a very injury interupted year this year
I really hope we keep him on, he's exactly the type of player the rookie list is for
He hasn't even had a good coach yet
Wallace ? LOL
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Well given Post's comments about only talking to Wallace a handful of times in his year at the club, it wouldn't surprise me if someone on the rookie list in Gourdis didn't speak to him at all
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IMO Goo will be very lucky to survive past the first list lodgement at the end of this month. His kicking is a major deficiency especially when kicking over 30m as his technique is dodgy and unreliable. It will go against him. A shame as yep he is a good size for a KPP, solid as a brickhouse and as you said Y&B he's very quick for his size.
could the same thing be said of Butcher :o
Butcher's goalkicking stats over the past 2 years would dispute all the internet talk. A couple of 'poor' games in front of the sticks and he's suddenly being classed as a hack. We'll see on draft day as if he was as bad as internet wannabees on BF make him out to be he'll end up being totally overlooked in the National draft like Gourdis was.
Gourdis is in the Duncan Kellaway category as a kick.
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Shouldnt be on an AFL list, pretty simple.
we hold on to players on hope.
We need to take a tougher stand
If they cant make an impact from day one, show them the door.
You look at young players from other clubs, eg Hurley etc etc And they make an impacy from day 1.
We give them years and then make a call there not up to it :banghead
Might also add, Patto and Putt should be shown the door, if they already havent been told
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Did Cox make an immediate impact? Did Riewoldt make an immediate impact? Did Ablett make an immediate impact?
Get your head out of your ass, Jackstar. This is what the rookie list is for.
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Did Cox make an immediate impact? Did Riewoldt make an immediate impact? Did Ablett make an immediate impact?
Get your head out of your ass, Jackstar. This is what the rookie list is for.
Patto and Putt are not on the rookie list and as Jackstar said they should both be gone, as for Goo, he is worse than both. Ta ta!
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Putt should be delisted and rookied. Gourdis should stay rookied. Patto can go.
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Did Cox make an immediate impact? Did Riewoldt make an immediate impact? Did Ablett make an immediate impact?
Get your head out of your ass, Jackstar. This is what the rookie list is for.
Get you head out,
Just went back through the AFL year book, they did actually..
Before you start typing in the the future , check you facts clown
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Cox played 17 games at the Age of 20
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Ablett played 12 games in his first year, aged 18
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Reidwoldt played every game in his 2nd year at the age of 19.
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Putt , 2 years on list, Aged 20, NO GAMES
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Cox played 17 games at the Age of 20
Ablett played 12 games in his first year, aged 18
Reidwoldt played every game in his 2nd year at the age of 19.
Putt , 2 years on list, Aged 20, NO GAMES
Not disputing your facts Jack and I agree with you on this but......................did you know you could have put all these in one post? ;D ;D
And FWIW, even though this post is about Gourdis and you have mentioned Putt you can apply the same theory and be just as correct on Gourdis. Taking too long to show anything at all - project players or not, they should be regular Coburg senior players by now if they are going to make it in the AFL. Time to cut our losses on both.
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maybe how we bring these players along is at fault...Playing for coburg ressies does nothing for these guys development.Most of the guys playing for coburg ressies are just average suburban footballers at best,so putting our draft picks there will do absolutely nothing for them...in my humble opinion
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maybe how we bring these players along is at fault...Playing for coburg ressies does nothing for these guys development.Most of the guys playing for coburg ressies are just average suburban footballers at best,so putting our draft picks there will do absolutely nothing for them...in my humble opinion
Totally agree
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Which is why I'd give them a year under Hardwick.
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when you think about it we (RFC) at this stage appears way off the mark...damn and i was a wallace supporter initially...I thought he would make us mongrels like the dogs were back then
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when you think about it we (RFC) at this stage appears way off the mark...damn and i was a wallace supporter initially...I thought he would make us mongrels like the dogs were back then
we are way off the mark,
consider that the club thought they would get ""something " for Tuck,RESULT no interest whats so ever.
where does that leave the players who cant get a game at punt road.
Most of our list is way over rated
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it seems no bites at all for tucky....wonder if the club can mend its relationship with him for 2010...it will need to
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it seems no bites at all for tucky....wonder if the club can mend its relationship with him for 2010...it will need to
What the hell Lois????? Trade week ended Friday??????
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yes it did.
your point being?
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Did Cox make an immediate impact? Did Riewoldt make an immediate impact? Did Ablett make an immediate impact?
Get your head out of your ass, Jackstar. This is what the rookie list is for.
Get you head out,
Just went back through the AFL year book, they did actually..
Before you start typing in the the future , check you facts clown
Cox played 17 games at the Age of 20
Ablett played 12 games in his first year, aged 18
Reidwoldt played every game in his 2nd year at the age of 19.
I didn't ask you how many games they played. I asked if they had an immediate impact. In fact, they were complete crap in their first year. Cox averaged 8 posessions, 2 marks, 0 goals, and 1 tackle per game. Ablett averaged 8 posessions, 1 mark, less than 1 goal, and 2 tackles per game. Riewoldt averaged 9.5 posessions, 4 marks, 0.3 goals, and 0.5 tackles per game, and this is a #1 draft pick we're talking about.
Also, how is it Putt's fault that Wallet / Rawlings didn't give him a game? We now know that Wallet hardly ever spoke to the players individually via the Post article. Our coaches' handling of our players' development has been shocking. You would be the first one to admit this. Of course the players won't be superstars from the get-go, but it's the coaches job to put them on the park.
P.S - I don't appreciate being called a clown and being told to "check my facts" by somebody that can't even comprehend what I'm asking.
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Did Cox make an immediate impact? Did Riewoldt make an immediate impact? Did Ablett make an immediate impact?
Get your head out of your ass, Jackstar. This is what the rookie list is for.
Get you head out,
Just went back through the AFL year book, they did actually..
Before you start typing in the the future , check you facts clown
Cox played 17 games at the Age of 20
Ablett played 12 games in his first year, aged 18
Reidwoldt played every game in his 2nd year at the age of 19.
I didn't ask you how many games they played. I asked if they had an immediate impact. In fact, they were complete crap in their first year. Cox averaged 8 posessions, 2 marks, 0 goals, and 1 tackle per game. Ablett averaged 8 posessions, 1 mark, less than 1 goal, and 2 tackles per game. Riewoldt averaged 9.5 posessions, 4 marks, 0.3 goals, and 0.5 tackles per game, and this is a #1 draft pick we're talking about.
Also, how is it Putt's fault that Wallet / Rawlings didn't give him a game? We now know that Wallet hardly ever spoke to the players individually via the Post article. Our coaches' handling of our players' development has been shocking. You would be the first one to admit this. Of course the players won't be superstars from the get-go, but it's the coaches job to put them on the park.
P.S - I don't appreciate being called a clown and being told to "check my facts" by somebody that can't even comprehend what I'm asking.
P.S. I dont appreciate being told to get my head out my arse. ;)
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Did Cox make an immediate impact? Did Riewoldt make an immediate impact? Did Ablett make an immediate impact?
Get your head out of your ass, Jackstar. This is what the rookie list is for.
Get you head out,
Just went back through the AFL year book, they did actually..
Before you start typing in the the future , check you facts clown
Cox played 17 games at the Age of 20
Ablett played 12 games in his first year, aged 18
Reidwoldt played every game in his 2nd year at the age of 19.
I didn't ask you how many games they played. I asked if they had an immediate impact. In fact, they were complete crap in their first year. Cox averaged 8 posessions, 2 marks, 0 goals, and 1 tackle per game. Ablett averaged 8 posessions, 1 mark, less than 1 goal, and 2 tackles per game. Riewoldt averaged 9.5 posessions, 4 marks, 0.3 goals, and 0.5 tackles per game, and this is a #1 draft pick we're talking about.
Also, how is it Putt's fault that Wallet / Rawlings didn't give him a game? We now know that Wallet hardly ever spoke to the players individually via the Post article. Our coaches' handling of our players' development has been shocking. You would be the first one to admit this. Of course the players won't be superstars from the get-go, but it's the coaches job to put them on the park.
P.S - I don't appreciate being called a clown and being told to "check my facts" by somebody that can't even comprehend what I'm asking.
P.S. I dont appreciate being told to get my head out my behind. ;)
I wouldn't have to tell you these things if statements like "If they cant make an impact from day one, show them the door." weren't your bread and butter.
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And FWIW, even though this post is about Gourdis and you have mentioned Putt you can apply the same theory and be just as correct on Gourdis. Taking too long to show anything at all - project players or not, they should be regular Coburg senior players by now if they are going to make it in the AFL. Time to cut our losses on both.
Agree smokey. It seems Hardwick has brought the Hawthorn criteria to us. If you haven't cemented your spot in the AFL seniors within 5 years then bye-bye (Patto). We only have 9 Tigers older than 23 now and it's only that many due to existing contracts.
Likewise if you haven't at least cemented your spot in the Coburg seniors within 2 years then bye-bye.
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Gourdis played 6 senior games and 4 ressies this year, in the Bendigo Bombers game round 7 ( about the week before he did his hammy) he played on Hurley and Daniher 12 kicks 7 hb 6 tackles 2 goals beat both the young Bombers defenders, was injury plagued rest of the year. Your'd think that kind of performance would have cemented him in the seniors and keep in mind RFC was giving Hughes, Shultz, Polak and Patto every chance(as key forwards) to save their spot at the club (all 4 may now be gone).
Don't dismiss Gourdis lightly, he held the CHF position in the WA state 15s,16s and 18s carnivals, can't do that if you can't play footy, his biggest problem (not unlike Deledio) is super athletes have to learn to work hard and not just rely on speed and strengh to win the ball.
I watched a lot of Franklin as a junior, his work ethic at 16 and 17 for a tall was mind blowing, far greater then Scott Gumbleton, Josh Kennedy and Mitch Clarke and light years above Watts, Natanui and Butcher . Franklins dont come along every day and we should'nt expect to much of young forwards to early. How long has it been since RFC developed a key forward..to long..Wallace was a horrific communicator and developer of young players, lets hope that era has passed.
One other point, in defence of all our young forward, Hughes, Gourdis, Putt , Post and Vickery, the Coburg midfield in the ressies was no existent, (in all respect) these players had no idea how to use the ball for young AFL forwards, the Coburg senior side midfield, worked very hard all year, but was low skilled and slow reacting bringing the ball into the forwardline, only in a few games when RFC mids, Cogs, Collins, Jordy and such played did the ball get delivered with any thought or skill
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A reasonable point tigerlily - I look forward with interest to see if (a) we keep those players (Putt and Gourdis) and (b) how they perform if we do. I still believe 2 years is enough time to cement your position in the Coburg seniors, injuries notwithstanding, and Putt especially should be much more 'thereabouts' than what he currently is but if we keep either of them then let's hope they do step up.
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so do we keep him?
:)
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Mate, who really cares,
We are discussing a "'nobody"' who hardly is going to be the next Wayne Carey or Jonathan Brown,
He will make little impact at the RFC
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Gourdis played 6 senior games and 4 ressies this year, in the Bendigo Bombers game round 7 ( about the week before he did his hammy) he played on Hurley and Daniher 12 kicks 7 hb 6 tackles 2 goals beat both the young Bombers defenders, was injury plagued rest of the year. Your'd think that kind of performance would have cemented him in the seniors and keep in mind RFC was giving Hughes, Shultz, Polak and Patto every chance(as key forwards) to save their spot at the club (all 4 may now be gone).
But there is the exact problem. You would think it would cement a place but a week or 2 later he went missing. That type of performance against Bendigo (who didn't win a game for the season BTW) were few and far between sadly
Don't dismiss Gourdis lightly, he held the CHF position in the WA state 15s,16s and 18s carnivals, can't do that if you can't play footy, his biggest problem (not unlike Deledio) is super athletes have to learn to work hard and not just rely on speed and strengh to win the ball.
I watched a lot of Franklin as a junior, his work ethic at 16 and 17 for a tall was mind blowing, far greater then Scott Gumbleton, Josh Kennedy and Mitch Clarke and light years above Watts, Natanui and Butcher . Franklins dont come along every day and we should'nt expect to much of young forwards to early. How long has it been since RFC developed a key forward..to long..Wallace was a horrific communicator and developer of young players, lets hope that era has passed.
Counter argument to that is the wide open spaces of Subiaco (and I watched an Under 18 state game WA -v_ SA at Subi this year) and other larger grounds suit the athlete come footballers because their speed is an added advantage. There were a couple of WA kids that looked great running but put them in a contested situation they couldn't take a pack mark to save themselves.
One other point, in defence of all our young forward, Hughes, Gourdis, Putt , Post and Vickery, the Coburg midfield in the ressies was no existent, (in all respect) these players had no idea how to use the ball for young AFL forwards, the Coburg senior side midfield, worked very hard all year, but was low skilled and slow reacting bringing the ball into the forwardline, only in a few games when RFC mids, Cogs, Collins, Jordy and such played did the ball get delivered with any thought or skill
The Coburg Ressies mid-field was "non-existent" ??? I must have been watching different games. Agreed the skill level is not the greatest but to say it was non-existent is well, bizzarre at best. I think the Rhett Jordans, Damien Raysons etc of this world deserve a bit more kudos than you are giving them credit for.
To put the "blame" at the feet of the ressie mid-field because "these players had no idea how to use the ball for young AFL forwards" is a bit of a cop out. Surely the young forwards need to be able to make it to contests and compete and despite what ever frustration they maybe feeling. They are not going to receive the ball lace out everytime it goes forward. Ask Richo he should be able to confirm this. Vickery seemed to master it and look where he ended up. Any players needs to ber accountable for their performance not look for excuses
As for the seniors how do you explain the likes of Reiwoldt when he plays at Coburg being able to get the ball? Massive difference is Jack (and hell even Schulz to a dregree) works to create contests; that is they work hard to get into the game. It's that simple.
Finally your argument regarding the mid-field delivery improved once the likes of "Cogs, Collins, Jordy" played appears flawed because when the more senior RFC players went back to Coburg the results went south very quickly.
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What a unbelievably negative post WP, you should be on the RFC match commitee, always looking for reasons not to give young players a chance (hoped the Wallace weaknesses had gone) I'll agree Gourdis is inconsistent and has skills to work on but do you really think he does'nt have the attibutes to impact at AFL level, would'nt we rather be working on a player with speed, strength, marking and tackling abillity, ground skills and a 60 meter kick, then players who posess little KPF traits, you CANNOT have enjoyed watching Gus, Patto and Simmo lumbering around the forward line pretending to be key forwards, in the last few game they were an embarrassment.
A reminder of our key forward development over the past few years: J Schulz 24....kpp ..............traded or delisted
A Patterson 23 ruck/kpp...... 99% delisted
C Hughes 22...kpp...............99% delisted
D Putt 20....ruck/kpp.........99% delisted
D Gourdis 20...kpp..............50/50 delisted
What a top job we are doing.
And regarding Coburg, we WERE watching different games, "no existant" was the kindess term I could use, and I'm not laying a blame on anyone, the Coburg players are what they are, I would like to know what you expect from Coburg, most of this year we played 12 senior (VFL rule) and 5 or 6 in the ressis neither side had any real success. Coburg is a very good club but has had a lot of player movement past couple of years, there is no real game plan in the seniors and none in the ressies, (maybe expected when the coaches dont know their squads till thursday nite) but very hard for forwards, their succsess is the result of a solid game plan. It is obvious the affiliated clubs that succeed view their AFL players as strengths, not so at Coburg, and that's not a coach or commitee or player thing its a club psyche, more Richmond players played at Coburg then any other VFL club this year, for little result the 2 clubs will have to bond a lot better if the alliance is to be successfull, very hard to gauge young player performances in such a poor year and if you use Post and Vickery as an example while they had ok years at Coburg and well deserved their opportunities, their biggest achievement this year was not having Wallace as coach.
I agree with the point you make about Jack, he did demand the ball at VFL level, but did he the previous 2 years, it just shows you the improvment in confidence and commitment when the boys start to play at AFL level, its called development
Finally, and although unconfirmed at this stage I find the delisting of Dean Putt distressing (such an UNTRIED talent) and hope he blossoms at his new club.
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the Coburg players are what they are, I would like to know what you expect from Coburg, most of this year we played 12 senior (VFL rule) and 5 or 6 in the ressis neither side had any real success.
The 12/10 rule you speak of only applies when VFL aligned clubs play stand alone VFL clubs (Port Melb & Frankston) the 12/10 rule doesn't apply when say Coburg plays Box Hill or Williamstown or Werribee....
Are you saying that a team that makes the finals hasn't achieved "any real success"
Coburg is a very good club but has had a lot of player movement past couple of years, there is no real game plan in the seniors and none in the ressies, (maybe expected when the coaches dont know their squads till thursday nite) but very hard for forwards, their succsess is the result of a solid game plan. It is obvious the affiliated clubs that succeed view their AFL players as strengths, not so at Coburg, and that's not a coach or commitee or player thing its a club psyche, more Richmond players played at Coburg then any other VFL club this year, for little result the 2 clubs will have to bond a lot better if the alliance is to be successfull,
That's an interesting comment you make and by it I will make an assumption that you haven't been following Coburg for very long. The reason I say that is because taking out 2009 where the Coburg seniors didn't make the finals; the 3 previous seasons Coburg had played finals (one of only 3 clubs in the VFL to be able to say that) with the most successful being 2007 where they were runners-up. Take out 2009 and it's hard not to believe that the alignment was working and working extremely well at that
Why the decline in 2009? The biggest difference between the the previous years and 2009 is the fact that more senior RFC players played at Coburg ...could that have had anything to do with it?
You say "there is no real game plan in the seniors and none in the ressies, (maybe expected when the coaches dont know their squads till thursday nite) but very hard for forwards, their succsess is the result of a solid game plan." And in part I agree to a point but again (and I know I harp on this) but players have to take responsibility; be accountable for their performances, take the game on and rather than look for someone or something to blame just work harder and try and make things happen rather than sitting back and playing the blame game
very hard to gauge young player performances in such a poor year and if you use Post and Vickery as an example while they had ok years at Coburg and well deserved their opportunities, their biggest achievement this year was not having Wallace as coach.
Again I have to disagree - the basics are the basics, the right attitude is the right attitude and if those 2 things are being done at the highest possible level then you can gauge performance. Looking for other reasons why things haven't gone right are just that reasons or to be more blunt excuses.
What a unbelievably negative post WP, you should be on the RFC match commitee, always looking for reasons not to give young players a chance (hoped the Wallace weaknesses had gone) I'll agree Gourdis is inconsistent and has skills to work on but do you really think he does'nt have the attibutes to impact at AFL level, would'nt we rather be working on a player with speed, strength, marking and tackling abillity, ground skills and a 60 meter kick, then players who posess little KPF traits, you CANNOT have enjoyed watching Gus, Patto and Simmo lumbering around the forward line pretending to be key forwards, in the last few game they were an embarrassment.
A reminder of our key forward development over the past few years: J Schulz 24....kpp ..............traded or delisted
A Patterson 23 ruck/kpp...... 99% delisted
C Hughes 22...kpp...............99% delisted
D Putt 20....ruck/kpp.........99% delisted
D Gourdis 20...kpp..............50/50 delisted
Finally, my reply wasn't meant to be negative it was my honest opinion of a player that I have watched very closely for 2 years. A player who in 2009 I expected to play the entire VFL season in the seniors but who didn't and that is extremely disappointing. The reality is that we expect (rightly or wrongly) AFL players to standout and star in the VFL
You ask "do you really think he doesn't have the attibutes to impact at AFL level?" Perhaps - I agree with your comments about the speed, strength and marking ability but the kicking is the major concern for mine as well as the tackling. The other one you didn't mention and is as equally as important is decision making and I have concerns about that as well
BTW I find it interersting that in one sentence you are super critical of Patto (using the term embarrassing) as a forward but in the next the sentence use him as an example of our lack developing KPP forwards...
I am all for giving young player opportunities, when thet are earnt. It is what the RFC needs to do but at the same time you want to see steady improvement and in this case steady improvement means playing consistently at VFL level
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Did Cox make an immediate impact? Did Riewoldt make an immediate impact? Did Ablett make an immediate impact?
Get your head out of your ass, Jackstar. This is what the rookie list is for.
Get you head out,
Just went back through the AFL year book, they did actually..
Before you start typing in the the future , check you facts clown
Cox played 17 games at the Age of 20
Ablett played 12 games in his first year, aged 18
Reidwoldt played every game in his 2nd year at the age of 19.
I didn't ask you how many games they played. I asked if they had an immediate impact. In fact, they were complete crap in their first year. Cox averaged 8 posessions, 2 marks, 0 goals, and 1 tackle per game. Ablett averaged 8 posessions, 1 mark, less than 1 goal, and 2 tackles per game. Riewoldt averaged 9.5 posessions, 4 marks, 0.3 goals, and 0.5 tackles per game, and this is a #1 draft pick we're talking about.
Also, how is it Putt's fault that Wallet / Rawlings didn't give him a game? We now know that Wallet hardly ever spoke to the players individually via the Post article. Our coaches' handling of our players' development has been shocking. You would be the first one to admit this. Of course the players won't be superstars from the get-go, but it's the coaches job to put them on the park.
P.S - I don't appreciate being called a clown and being told to "check my facts" by somebody that can't even comprehend what I'm asking.
P.S. I dont appreciate being told to get my head out my behind. ;)
well leave it there then Jack, that's when you do your best work :lol
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What a unbelievably negative post WP, you should be on the RFC match commitee, always looking for reasons not to give young players a chance (hoped the Wallace weaknesses had gone) I'll agree Gourdis is inconsistent and has skills to work on but do you really think he does'nt have the attibutes to impact at AFL level, would'nt we rather be working on a player with speed, strength, marking and tackling abillity, ground skills and a 60 meter kick, then players who posess little KPF traits, you CANNOT have enjoyed watching Gus, Patto and Simmo lumbering around the forward line pretending to be key forwards, in the last few game they were an embarrassment.
A reminder of our key forward development over the past few years: J Schulz 24....kpp ..............traded or delisted
A Patterson 23 ruck/kpp...... 99% delisted
C Hughes 22...kpp...............99% delisted
D Putt 20....ruck/kpp.........99% delisted
D Gourdis 20...kpp..............50/50 delisted
What a top job we are doing.
Blame our recruiting. Building up depth and consistently drafting youth in large numbers year after year has had very little meaning at Punt Rd. We've recruited so few talls that we are relying on the few we do recruit to make it at AFL level which is highly unlikely. Even in top sides with good recruiting usually only half the kids drafted make it. In the cases of Patto and Cleve we drafted them to substitute for not drafting a better quality tall with an earlier pick in successive years. Then add more speculative talls such as Putt at pick 51 and Gourdis in the PSD. That's not a foundation to build a side around. I agree our development of our young players has been ordinary as well but it doesn't help when there's no consistent recruiting policy and when out of our existing talls a number have significant flaws that prevent them from becoming AFL standard footballers.
Btw I've never seen Gourdis kick 60m. He seems to struggle with any kick especially beyond 30m. He has no natural kicking technique that he can rely on week in week out.
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Confirmed on the RFC website....
Elevated Richmond rookie David Gourdis has been called into the extended squad for Sunday’s match against Sydney Swans at the MCG.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/97307/default.aspx
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Congrats David.
This guy has improved heaps since he first appeared at Punt Road. Hope he has a big future.
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he was a goer at subi great athlete hope he makes the most of the opportunity
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Dave to debut as well this week.
3 weeks to prove himself?
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Good luck to him. Has earnt his spot in the side
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Absolutely earnt his spot.
Well done David...make the most of it and enjoy every second of your debut against the Blues at the MCG.
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And FWIW, even though this post is about Gourdis and you have mentioned Putt you can apply the same theory and be just as correct on Gourdis. Taking too long to show anything at all - project players or not, they should be regular Coburg senior players by now if they are going to make it in the AFL. Time to cut our losses on both.
Agree smokey. It seems Hardwick has brought the Hawthorn criteria to us. If you haven't cemented your spot in the AFL seniors within 5 years then bye-bye (Patto). We only have 9 Tigers older than 23 now and it's only that many due to existing contracts.
Likewise if you haven't at least cemented your spot in the Coburg seniors within 2 years then bye-bye.
i know this was last yr but i think the number of players who are 23 or older has now blown out to 20 players. it soon will be 21 as nahas turns 23 at the end of the yr.
for me these older players have been the crux of our problem. theres only probably half a dozen of any real quality the rest you would not miss if traded or delisted.
they are are cousins, deledio, foley , graham, jackson, king, mcguane, mcmahon, moore, morton, newman, polak, polo, roberts, simmonds, tambling, thomson, thursfield, tuck, white. and soon nahas.
players who will be 23 next yr include - collins, connors, edwards, hislop, orielly, riewoldt, webberley.
seems to me if you are correct about the 5 yr rule there are a lot of decisions to be made at tigerland come seasons end.
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Absolutely earnt his spot.
Well done David...make the most of it and enjoy every second of your debut against the Blues at the MCG.
Totally agree, makes it 11 at Tigerland which must be some kind of record.
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Finally another Greek in RFC colors. Its good to see the Goo following in the footsteps of John Rombotis, Garry Frangalas and the great Athas Hrysoulakis ;D
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Finally another Greek in RFC colors. Its good to see the Goo following in the footsteps of John Rombotis, Garry Frangalas and the great Athas Hrysoulakis ;D
LMAO at the last name.
remember seeing that bloke kick a bag at VFL park as a kid.
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Goo Army better turn up now. ;D
He's bloody Aussie to me.
Why do Anglos get the Aussie tag and the rest say they are from the country of their surname?
Strange.
The only real Aussies are the indigenous.
Anyway ,rant over.
Hope Aussie Goo has a great game Saturday.
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And FWIW, even though this post is about Gourdis and you have mentioned Putt you can apply the same theory and be just as correct on Gourdis. Taking too long to show anything at all - project players or not, they should be regular Coburg senior players by now if they are going to make it in the AFL. Time to cut our losses on both.
Agree smokey. It seems Hardwick has brought the Hawthorn criteria to us. If you haven't cemented your spot in the AFL seniors within 5 years then bye-bye (Patto). We only have 9 Tigers older than 23 now and it's only that many due to existing contracts.
Likewise if you haven't at least cemented your spot in the Coburg seniors within 2 years then bye-bye.
i know this was last yr but i think the number of players who are 23 or older has now blown out to 20 players. it soon will be 21 as nahas turns 23 at the end of the yr.
for me these older players have been the crux of our problem. theres only probably half a dozen of any real quality the rest you would not miss if traded or delisted.
they are are cousins, deledio, foley , graham, jackson, king, mcguane, mcmahon, moore, morton, newman, polak, polo, roberts, simmonds, tambling, thomson, thursfield, tuck, white. and soon nahas.
players who will be 23 next yr include - collins, connors, edwards, hislop, orielly, riewoldt, webberley.
seems to me if you are correct about the 5 yr rule there are a lot of decisions to be made at tigerland come seasons end.
Gourdis has been in the system only three year and is 21. I wouldn't classify him as an old player quite yet. Check most other club lists - even with all these 'older' players we are still the youngest list in the league.
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Absolutely earnt his spot.
Well done David...make the most of it and enjoy every second of your debut against the Blues at the MCG.
Totally agree, makes it 11 at Tigerland which must be some kind of record.
It's 12 now with both O'Reilly & Gourdis debuting this week
I think Collingwood had 13 one year as they were rebuilding after their last grand final appearances
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How did we all see Goo's first game?
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I only saw the first half- athletically he goes good, his kicking in the first half was sound, pace wise very good, didnt see the 2nd half, based on 1st half he has a place at RFC and I would have him infront of Post and 1 or 2 others who want to play in KPs.
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Thought he struggled letting his man go a few times. That said there were a few ordinary efforts down back. Hardwick has shown for the most part this year that you need to work hard to get into the team, but once you are there you get a couple of cracks so I'd expect to see Gourdis go around next week.
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yep lost his man in traffic a few times but thats to be expected, an Waite is a pretty damaging player. I saw some good signs, should have gotten games earlier. BTW Moore is a hack
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yep lost his man in traffic a few times but thats to be expected, an Waite is a pretty damaging player. I saw some good signs, should have gotten games earlier. BTW Moore is a hack
Id like us try a Gourdis - Astbury combo long term down back. I think it has major potential.
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yep lost his man in traffic a few times but thats to be expected, an Waite is a pretty damaging player. I saw some good signs, should have gotten games earlier. BTW Moore is a hack
Id like us try a Gourdis - Astbury combo long term down back. I think it has major potential.
yep agreed and only one of thursty, Moore and McGuane as the 3rd tall bc they are perpetual flyweights. Reckon Gourdis and Astbury are a good combo of speed, athleticism(Goo) and sublime reading of the play (Astbury).
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I think Thursty has better potential than Moore and McGuane.
Thursty is impressive blanket defender in my opinion
McGuane and Moore would have more currency aswell.
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yep lost his man in traffic a few times but thats to be expected, an Waite is a pretty damaging player. I saw some good signs, should have gotten games earlier. BTW Moore is a hack
I don't think he was on Waite all day though, definitely switched to or from Henderson at some stage. I didn't see him getting beaten in a contest too much, but definitely got caught out with the flood of football coming in his direction, which is also why he got so much of the ball in the first half
Tough day to judge a kpp defender, but I hope he gets to play out the year
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BTW Moore is a hack
Awful game from Kel.
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Long term I think hardwick will want to build a back 6 that does not depend on deledio, allowing him to play forward or middle.
FB Connors Gourdis Newman/thursfield
HB Tambling Astbury OReilly
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Long term I think hardwick will want to build a back 6 that does not depend on deledio, allowing him to play forward or middle.
FB Connors Gourdis Newman/thursfield
HB Tambling Astbury OReilly
long term if thats our backline we're screwed :banghead
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Gourdis did okay - he did lose his man a couple of times. Not an easy day to be a first gamer but he showed some good glimpses I thought. Seems to have a very methodical kicking action - as if he has to think through it as he kicks it.
A lot of passengers out there though.
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I thought Gourdis was alright, a few games to settle into the big league pace is all he needs.
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Would keep Thursfield and Moore. Would get rid of McGuane. Would hunt for another keep position player in Defence. Would play Gourdis for the rest of the year
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Would keep Thursfield and Moore. Would get rid of McGuane. Would hunt for another keep position player in Defence. Would play Gourdis for the rest of the year
Moore can't hit a target 20 metres away under pressure. There are serious problems down back and I'd be ecstatic if both Moore and McGuane were wanted elsewhere.
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I thought Goo showed enough signs to at least guarantee him the remaining games of the season
Like Jimmy O he struggled with the speed of the game at times, which is to be expected because the pace of things in the VFL is nowhere near the AFL
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I suppose since Kosi got five goals Gourdis would be deemed to have played a bad game.
However Kosi got one gift goal from a clanger and some good delivery.
Need to persist with the Goo as he looks more a KPD than our other three. We will see how he goes on lazy Jay next week.
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He shows a bit. I like him.
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read the game a bit better yesterday. :thumbsup
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Kicking needs improvement
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read the game a bit better yesterday. :thumbsup
wow what a shock he was up with the pace of the game a little bit better in his second game enabling him to read the play a bit better... I wonder, do you still think his papers are stamped like you mentioned after the blues game? :rollin
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His fans on OER wanting him the side will be pleased. Goo is in this week.
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Good work
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Well done Big G :clapping
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would be good to go into next season with Rance, Grimes, Astbury as our key back talls and Gourdis knocking at the door.
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Good luck Goo, take it with both mitts
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agreed. all the best goo, make every post a winner :gotigers
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I reckon they have to give him a few weeks but I do wonder if these next few weeks will determine his future :-\
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Bloke is still contracted for next year...that's unreal. Hope he rips it up and pushes McGawn out
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I'm not sure about Gourdis but he is quick and I like that.
Looking forward to seeing if he is a prospect or not and hope he gets a few games in a row to show us his wares.
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If mcgaune gets 7 odd years gourdis should be given a few gAmes at least
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McGWS :cheers
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Good luck David and wishing you a great game.
Whatever happens carpe diem :)
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Aawwww
:-*
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farkarkarkas :police:
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(http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/225/258/17/g_NOID1.jpg)
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I reckon they have to give him a few weeks but I do wonder if these next few weeks will determine his future :-\
Guaranteed they will WP.
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I reckon they have to give him a few weeks but I do wonder if these next few weeks will determine his future :-\
I would agree with you WP.
Also, many on this forum have been calling for Gourdis to come into the side week after week after week, please continue to suport him in this game and the coming weeks should he prevail... :thumbsup
He has finally been given a chance and he will need to stand up in this game...... lets hope he does well!!!
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IMHO opinion we have all these talls.
McGuane and Thursfield have had years and they TBH aren't the solution.
Grimes was great until his injury.
Rance has shown wonderful progress this year.
Astbury is another unlucky one hampered by injury for the rest of the year.
Lamentably Moore our decent flexible and most experienced defender is in the same boat.
With our injuries lets be honest Gourdis needs to play for the rest of the year to see whether he can find a niche as a regular starter or as insurance.
Eventually we have to do the same with Postie to determine whether we have a keeper or not..
I don't think Dea will make it.
This year is so much still a development year despite our ladder position as we are in the unique situation of still tinkering with our list that still has some holes in it. Not as many as we had 18 months ago but holes that might let opportunities that present themselves fall through if we aren't vigilant and cover all our bases.
In summary let Goo play. :thumbsup
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Given how many wanted Goo in the side, your thoughts on his first game back in the seniors this year?
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Given how many wanted Goo in the side, your thoughts on his first game back in the seniors this year?
Like most other defenders yesterday, IMO his run out of the backline and footskills shown at coburg over the last month were daunted by the pressure of the Melbourne press/zone.
Needs more time. If a key back is to be dropped, make it Mc.Gone.
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Given how many wanted Goo in the side, your thoughts on his first game back in the seniors this year?
ordinary.
Why does he get another game when they wont give Post 2 games in a row ::)
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His spoiling was good. He took a good grab but some of his disposal let him down but then again he was not the only one in defence whose dispoal wasn't flash. Persist until end of season
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Wasn't good but needs more games.
Given how many wanted Goo in the side, your thoughts on his first game back in the seniors this year?
ordinary.
Why does he get another game when they wont give Post 2 games in a row ::)
Simple, pee Miller off to Coburg for the rest of the year and play Posty at CHF for the rest of the season :thumbsup
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His spoiling was good. He took a good grab but some of his disposal let him down but then again he was not the only one in defence whose dispoal wasn't flash. Persist until end of season
Wasn't good but needs more games.
Given how many wanted Goo in the side, your thoughts on his first game back in the seniors this year?
ordinary.
Why does he get another game when they wont give Post 2 games in a row ::)
Simple, pee Miller off to Coburg for the rest of the year and play Posty at CHF for the rest of the season :thumbsup
I agree even more wholeheartedly here now. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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If I was Gourdis, I would leave the Dustin Martin-style fend offs at footy training. He just hasn't got the strength to do it and it's too risky to try them in the last line of defence.
He also went up when he should've stayed down and vice versa.
Disappointing game by goo, but imo is entitled to a couple of games to adjust to the pace.
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I reckon he was well below average.
Fell over too easily, lost his man in contests and his disposal was appalling.
But I still maintain he needs to be given games until the end of the year to really assess him.
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Should not be judged by his first game but his next few.
Still not alot worse than what thr millers. Mcgaunes. Thursfeilds if thr rfc world dish up.
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He was very ordinary yesterday... I'm worried he'll be made to look stupid against the blues.
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He was very ordinary yesterday... I'm worried he'll be made to look stupid against the blues.
Very different level of pressure Coburg compared to AFL..
Its a big step, some players make it, and some dont.
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He was very ordinary yesterday... I'm worried he'll be made to look stupid against the blues.
I would be more worried about McGaune making US look stupid against Carlton :banghead :banghead
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He was very ordinary yesterday... I'm worried he'll be made to look stupid against the blues.
Very different level of pressure Coburg compared to AFL..
Its a big step, some players make it, and some dont.
Got it in one. Really sturggled with the pace of the game, his positioning at some contests was very poor indeed
I reckon he will get a couple more games even if not deserved but he needs to show alot more than what we saw yesterday
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He was very ordinary yesterday... I'm worried he'll be made to look stupid against the blues.
I would be more worried about McGaune making US look stupid against Carlton :banghead :banghead
kruser to kick on 8 on mcgaune before half time before rance gets moved.
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kruser to kick on 8 on mcgaune before half time before rance gets moved.
Kruzser was raped today infact the whole Carlton side was raped :rollin best thing l seen all weekend ;D
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infact the whole Carlton side was raped :rollin best thing l seen all weekend ;D
Especially when I took the $4.40 on offer pre-game for the Weagles. Good weekend considering I spent the whole damn thing moving house! :birthday
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infact the whole Carlton side was raped :rollin best thing l seen all weekend ;D
Especially when I took the $4.40 on offer pre-game for the Weagles. Good weekend considering I spent the whole damn thing moving house! :birthday
Was wondering where you had got to smokey
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infact the whole Carlton side was raped :rollin best thing l seen all weekend ;D
Especially when I took the $4.40 on offer pre-game for the Weagles. Good weekend considering I spent the whole damn thing moving house! :birthday
Was wondering where you had got to smokey
Regular updates via the iPhone app was ample for me to know I wasn't missing much WP! :-\
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Regular updates via the iPhone app was ample for me to know I wasn't missing much WP! :-\
It was worse being there let me tell you
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infact the whole Carlton side was raped :rollin best thing l seen all weekend ;D
Especially when I took the $4.40 on offer pre-game for the Weagles. Good weekend considering I spent the whole damn thing moving house! :birthday
Ahh moving house, one of the simple pleasures of life
:nope
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infact the whole Carlton side was raped :rollin best thing l seen all weekend ;D
Especially when I took the $4.40 on offer pre-game for the Weagles. Good weekend considering I spent the whole damn thing moving house! :birthday
Ahh moving house, one of the simple pleasures of life
:nope
Certainly fine tunes the relationship between spouses or life partners. :o
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even worse when the move is finally over..and then the real work starts
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infact the whole Carlton side was raped :rollin best thing l seen all weekend ;D
Especially when I took the $4.40 on offer pre-game for the Weagles. Good weekend considering I spent the whole damn thing moving house! :birthday
OH very nice ol sock! We will have to call you the Oracle!
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infact the whole Carlton side was raped :rollin best thing l seen all weekend ;D
Especially when I took the $4.40 on offer pre-game for the Weagles. Good weekend considering I spent the whole damn thing moving house! :birthday
OH very nice ol sock! We will have to call you the Oracle!
I thought Donuts was the oracle? The big man
Do we give the Big G another week in the ones? I vote yes
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Do we give the Big G another week in the ones? I vote yes
i reckon he'll get another gig this week but he will need to improve his efforts on last week or it could be adios for next week against the Bumblers
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If you can't hit a team mate 20m away under no pressure then you should not be in the team! This guy cannot kick. Just look at the tape.
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Better get rid of half our club then
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Better get rid of half our club then
Half?? I would keep 4.........
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who can kick
Dusty
Lids
Batch
Jack
King
Newman
Cotch*
Bachar
Nason. Pity he is a toothpick
Vickery
Conca
Some of the rest are VFL standard
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Why have you got an asterisk after Cotch name Dan?
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Why have you got an asterisk after Cotch name Dan?
Look in general play he is fantastic but until he starts to nail goals when we need him too within 25, i will maintain my asterix. If he wants to be our next captain he needs to kick better. Sugar used to miss those type of easy goals.
Newy i got time for because most times when its time to drill the goal he does.
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Tigers, Dogs make final cut
by: Al Paton
From: Herald Sun
November 30, 2011
RICHMOND has cleared a spot on its list by axing athletic defender David Gourdis.
Three clubs delisted players by today's final deadline before the December 13 pre-season and rookie drafts.
Gourdis played four matches for Richmond, including just one this season.
He had a season to forget in 2011, including a five-week suspension for making contact with an umpire in the VFL and crunching Jack Riewoldt at training before the Tigers' Round 15 clash against Carlton, causing significant rib damage which affected the full-forward for the rest of the season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-dogs-make-final-cut/story-fn69a32t-1226210343406
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shame things didnt work out, looked like being anything when he first arrived, wouldnt expect him to last too long once rookie draft comes along :shh
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shame things didnt work out, looked like being anything when he first arrived, wouldnt expect him to last too long once rookie draft comes along :shh
We'll be kicking ourselves to have let this prodigy go.
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shame things didnt work out, looked like being anything when he first arrived, wouldnt expect him to last too long once rookie draft comes along :shh
We'll be kicking ourselves to have let this prodigy go.
I'd laugh but I feel it would be disrespectful to the Greek.
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shame things didnt work out, looked like being anything when he first arrived, wouldnt expect him to last too long once rookie draft comes along :shh
We'll be kicking ourselves to have let this prodigy go.
sad day for the greek community and the rfc. ;D :lol
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shame things didnt work out, looked like being anything when he first arrived, wouldnt expect him to last too long once rookie draft comes along :shh
Gourdis hasnt got what it takes upstairs, he will never make it at any club.
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poo go, to delist him now.
Poor form Craig Cameron.
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I agree Craig Cameron should be sacked
This definitely should have been resolved before memberships were sent out
what a disgrace :banghead
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More importantly, What are Club 80's thoughts on this????
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shame things didnt work out, looked like being anything when he first arrived, wouldnt expect him to last too long once rookie draft comes along :shh
Gourdis hasnt got what it takes upstairs, he will never make it at any club.
Goo didn't have what it takes at the other end of his body either. His kicking was always a liability and the way the game has evolved with pressing zones and all you can't have defenders who don't have a good natural kicking technique. He was an athlete but not a footballer. He only lasted 4 years on our list only because our key back options were ordinary. With Rance having a semi-breakout year and Grimes showing promise plus all the other tall defenders we have on our list, there was no need to keep Goo as a 'back-up' any longer.
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From most reports his kicking was good at VFL level and it was solid at AFL level (saw it with my own eyes). ;D
Bye bye goosy.
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Pretty sure the door hit him on the way out.
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Pretty sure the door hit him on the way out.
Right on :thumbsup
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I agree Craig Cameron should be sacked
This definitely should have been resolved before memberships were sent out
what a disgrace :banghead
So there you go, we both guessed him, now what was the second part of your prediction... :thumbsup
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Shame Gourdis never made it. He was given chances but didn't take them.
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Was never ever ever going to make.should not of been on list in the first place
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Was never ever ever going to make.should not of been on list in the first place
Sadly was the perfect example of the focus by a lot of clubs in the AFL over a period of time of looking at athletes rather than footballers
Gourdis is an athlete so the odds of him succeeding were never that great IMHO
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Was never ever ever going to make.should not of been on list in the first place
Sadly was the perfect example of the focus by a lot of clubs in the AFL over a period of time of looking at athletes rather than footballers
Gourdis is an athlete so the odds of him succeeding were never that great IMHO
Agree, same could be said about.....little what's him name we traded to the Crows....Meyer, great long distance runner. Until you put a football in his hands!
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Was never ever ever going to make.should not of been on list in the first place
Sadly was the perfect example of the focus by a lot of clubs in the AFL over a period of time of looking at athletes rather than footballers
Gourdis is an athlete so the odds of him succeeding were never that great IMHO
Agree, same could be said about.....little what's him name we traded to the Crows....Meyer, great long distance runner. Until you put a football in his hands!
I thought you were going to say Tambling . . . great athletic ability (tested amazingly well at the combine) . . . but like a new kid at school on the field, didn't know how to get involved.
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Was never ever ever going to make.should not of been on list in the first place
Sadly was the perfect example of the focus by a lot of clubs in the AFL over a period of time of looking at athletes rather than footballers
Gourdis is an athlete so the odds of him succeeding were never that great IMHO
Agree, same could be said about.....little what's him name we traded to the Crows....Meyer, great long distance runner. Until you put a football in his hands!
Meyer was a gun junior footballer, a prodigy if you will. He was just ruined by injury after injury.
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Meyer was a gun junior footballer, a prodigy if you will. He was just ruined by injury after injury.
Agree gerks
Meyer was footballer first, had a great footy brain, just not the body to handle the work
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I agree Craig Cameron should be sacked
This definitely should have been resolved before memberships were sent out
what a disgrace :banghead
Doesn't really look good for the recruiting dept now does it. Very Wishy Washy. Maybe we will Maybe we wont, depends on what we get in the draft or whats available in the PSD?
Im surprised they delisted at this late date. Im not surprised they delisted gourdis
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So where has the goo ended up, didn't we delist to make room for McCartney? and who got the spot?
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So where has the goo ended up, didn't we delist to make room for McCartney? and who got the spot?
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Back in Perth isn't he? And we picked up O'Hanlon in the PSD instead. Poor bloke is nothing but a consolation prize. Not really expecting much.
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Goo is still in Melb studying and playing country footy up at Leongatha with Will Thursfield
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So where has the goo ended up, didn't we delist to make room for McCartney? and who got the spot?
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Back in Perth isn't he? And we picked up O'Hanlon in the PSD instead. Poor bloke is nothing but a consolation prize. Not really expecting much.
O'Hanlon will be a decent player.
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He is playing at Leongatha with Willy Thursfield and Tas Clingan.
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So where has the goo ended up, didn't we delist to make room for McCartney? and who got the spot?
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Back in Perth isn't he? And we picked up O'Hanlon in the PSD instead. Poor bloke is nothing but a consolation prize. Not really expecting much.
O'Hanlon will be a decent player.
then why he is spending so much time at coburg?
Judd, Ablett, Mitchell, Pendlebury all played very few games in the VFL?
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So where has the goo ended up, didn't we delist to make room for McCartney? and who got the spot?
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Back in Perth isn't he? And we picked up O'Hanlon in the PSD instead. Poor bloke is nothing but a consolation prize. Not really expecting much.
O'Hanlon will be a decent player.
then why he is spending so much time at coburg?
Judd, Ablett, Mitchell, Pendlebury all played very few games in the VFL?
Yer they are decent players too I guess. Mitchell played a bit in the VFL too. In fact he won a Liston Trophy. :lol
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from only 11 games :thumbsup
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from only 11 games :thumbsup
and O'Hanlon's played about 4. :thumbsup
Would also rate all the players you mentioned as a bit above decent. :lol
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:lol
don't let it worry you too much, i was being facetious
(grithiffs has played about 15 ;) )
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:lol
don't let it worry you too much, i was being facetious
(grithiffs has played about 15 ;) )
That's more than he's played at any other level. ;D
Onwards and upwards :gotigers