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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mat073 on August 22, 2017, 08:00:07 PM

Title: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: mat073 on August 22, 2017, 08:00:07 PM
For 14 weeks we have sat in the top 4

Ranked number two for defense.

Been very consistent and honest all year .

Thoughts  ??
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 22, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Why not?
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on August 22, 2017, 08:12:05 PM
If we win this week we will be.

If we lose, we won't be......... :shh
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: tony_montana on August 22, 2017, 09:35:52 PM
If we lose this week we finish 6th and no one will remember that we were top 4 for 14 weeks.
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on August 22, 2017, 10:03:17 PM
If we win this week we will be.

If we lose, we won't be......... :shh
I like your thinking  :shh
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: Tigershark on August 22, 2017, 11:43:07 PM
Have only played one top 8 team twice this year.(GWS)
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: Slipper on August 23, 2017, 12:30:48 AM
I think our top 4 worthiness can only be assessed after the finals series.

Based on our draw this year, the jury is well and truly out. I think I have this right, as the ladder stands at the moment we have only played 1 team in the top 10 on the ladder twice, that being GWS. Playing St Kilda this week will be the second top 10 team that we have played twice.

Our record against the other Top 10 teams stands at 5 wins, 5 losses, which is not overly indicative of a true top 4 team. If we lose to St Kilda, we likely finish 6th and that record becomes a losing record.

I think we almost certainly need to make a Prelim final, and probably the Grand Final, to be considered a genuine Top 4 team.


Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: big tone on August 23, 2017, 07:25:05 AM
if I am to be 100% truthful I would say we are still I pretty average side. We tend to be able to do enough against the average sides to get across the line but even those games aren't really that convincing.
I know i bang on about Houli, Grigg and BEllis but imo they are a massive problem when the pressure comes on and it doesn't matter who we are playing.
I don't think we can go too far with 3 players like that in our side unless our 4 stars have blinders which in finals and against quality opposition putting finals like pressure on is unlikely.

When Grigg went off last week with a sore shoulder I hoped he had done about 6 weeks of damage but it wasn't to be but imo it would have been the best thing for the RFC again imo.

The other thing that goes against us other than those 3 is our coach. He is simply not very good on match day but even more so at selection.

We all hope we can go as far as possible but deep down l think most of us know we are still a fair way off the good sides when the real stuff starts. 
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 23, 2017, 07:40:59 AM
I don't disagree with your comments about the team BT, the reality though is putting 700 odd players into a competition that is serviced by about 12 million people isn't a recipe for an elite competition. Throw in the socialist nature of drafting, salary caps and equalisation of revenue and you end up enabling mediocrity.
The only team resembling elite in talent are GWS and team are Sydney and possibly the Crows.
You can throw a tarp over the rest with the bottom 4 the next wave to come up thanks to the AFL's rules.
We just have to hope we can try and cash in
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: big tone on August 23, 2017, 07:47:53 AM
I don't disagree with your comments about the team BT, the reality though is putting 700 odd players into a competition that is serviced by about 12 million people isn't a recipe for an elite competition. Throw in the socialist nature of drafting, salary caps and equalisation of revenue and you end up enabling mediocrity.
The only team resembling elite in talent are GWS and team are Sydney and possibly the Crows.
You can throw a tarp over the rest with the bottom 4 the next wave to come up thanks to the AFL's rules.
We just have to hope we can try and cash in
We have got guys on our list ready to go that are better and more suited to finals footy than those 3 I always mention. Finals moreso but you need players that are selfless and courageous and those 3 are not that. 
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: mat073 on August 23, 2017, 09:58:31 AM
I think on "paper" we have a fairly unbalanced side . Sure we have our four champions but after that its drops away fairly dramatically........or does it  ???

Astbury is now in AA discussion
Grimes never seems plays a bad game .
Vlastuin since his return has been all class - even my West Coast supporting father has been going - who's that bloke .
Lambert is killing it .
Castagna/Butler/Rioli are approaching 70 goals - who would of thought.
Even maligned players are having serviceable years .
The recruitment of Nank the Tank could not have gone better.

The whole playing group has bought into what ever Hardwick and his assistant coaches are preaching.
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: Willy on August 23, 2017, 11:47:26 AM
This week will be very telling.
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: one-eyed on August 27, 2017, 07:40:11 PM
Bump.

Answer: Yes  ;D.
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: mat073 on August 27, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
A David Mundy kick from being minor premiers .
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: lamington on August 27, 2017, 07:50:05 PM
yes we are. we don't deserve to be #1 only because we only had to play GWS twice out of all the top 8 teams but bar the 2 blowouts against adelaide and St. Kilda we have put in  good performances. Well done Tigers for locking in 3rd place!  :gotigers
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on August 27, 2017, 10:42:09 PM
A David Mundy kick from being minor premiers .
21 seconds.  :facepalm
Title: Re: Are we a genuine top 4 team ??
Post by: one-eyed on August 28, 2017, 01:34:21 PM
A finals brand

The Tigers have secured a top-four finish and they'll go into a qualifying final against Geelong playing a brand of football that brings success in September. The first half was the Tigers at their best. They hit the Saints with an irresistible wave of pressure from the opening bounce, forcing turnovers and running in waves on the counter-attack. At half-time they led the tackle count 44-29, using that pressure as a catalyst for a 44-point lead. Perhaps the biggest complement you can pay Richmond is that they enter finals with an easily identifiable brand. That was not the case when they finished in the top eight from 2013-15.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-27/five-talking-points-richmond-v-st-kilda