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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 03, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
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Plough this arvo/evening asking the question on his twitter page - http://twitter.com/thelistmanager
Who has been better performed out of Brett Deledio or Jarryd Roughead over their careers so far?
Stats comparison:
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1484&tid2=11&pid2=1485&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C
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No doubt lids - compare roughie to griffin
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This is a no contest. Deledio by the length of 2 flemington straights.
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No contest, roughead has had one very very good season. Thought he was shot up to 4-5 weeks ago but has been reinvented as a L.Brown type 2nd ruck. Lids is bordering on A-grade and going to a new level this season
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May as well compare Terry Wallet to Ron Barassi.
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Lids easily.
This preoccupation of Terry's about our players is quite disturbing. As if he is trying to justify his five years provided the nucleus of the current crop.
Next weeks edition Jack Riewoldt vs Lachie Hansen
Fortnights Trent Cotchin vs Chris Masten
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Lids easily.
This preoccupation of Terry's about our players is quite disturbing. As if he is trying to justify his five years provided the nucleus of the current crop.
Next weeks edition Jack Riewoldt vs Lachie Hansen
Fortnights Trent Cotchin vs Chris Masten
Or Cotchin versus Kruezer, although they are different sizes in different positions!
Next year- Martin versus Scully, Trengrove
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I only put Cotchin vs Masten and not Kruezer as Kruze went before Trent that way he can harp on and on.
He'll speak more about Cotch than Dusty b/c ultimately Dusty was selected after his regime was dismissed.
I want him to bring up the McMahon vs Ward match up and run us through that. :help
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You'd think Lids eaily, my guess is Hawks fan would drag out the old chestnut that JR has played in a flag. Id fire abck they might have won two with Lids. he has turned into a more complete exceptionally talented layer. Still room for improvement. the test of just how good both Lids and cotch will be if they can drag the team into finals action sooner rather than later...show us the way boys :gotigers
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
The thing your story forgets is the Hawks expected us to pick Franklin and when we took Tambling it caused them a stir and it took them quite a while and a fair amount of talking before they called Franklin's name. It would seem they rated Roughead over Franklin and they were fortunate we picked Tambling. Only in hindsight though.
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Wallet is sharking for a new job :lol
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Question: Who has been better performed out of Brett Deledio or Jarryd Roughead over their careers so far?
Roughead has perfomed better with the ladies ;D
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
I am so sick of this bullcrap story being told. It DID NOT happen like this at all.
Even Gary Buckenara (their recruitment manager at the time) in a video interview after the draft admitted as such.
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Why didn't he ask Jordan McMahon vs anyone? :rollin
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
I am so sick of this bullcrap story being told. It DID NOT happen like this at all.
Even Gary Buckenara (their recruitment manager at the time) in a video interview after the draft admitted as such.
I heard it live on a radio interview with a hawthorn person after in 2008. I can't remember the guy probably buckenara but he desciribed it pretty much how I wrote it. He said he walked into Ian dickers office and explained to him how they were going to secure the best 2 talls in the draft which is exactly what the coach wanted.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pick-me-ups-across-board/story-0-1111117576972 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pick-me-ups-across-board/story-0-1111117576972)
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
The thing your story forgets is the Hawks expected us to pick Franklin and when we took Tambling it caused them a stir and it took them quite a while and a fair amount of talking before they called Franklin's name. It would seem they rated Roughead over Franklin and they were fortunate we picked Tambling. Only in hindsight though.
sorry but your wrong.
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
I am so sick of this bullcrap story being told. It DID NOT happen like this at all.
Even Gary Buckenara (their recruitment manager at the time) in a video interview after the draft admitted as such.
I heard it live on a radio interview with a hawthorn person after in 2008. I can't remember the guy probably buckenara but he desciribed it pretty much how I wrote it. He said he walked into Ian dickers office and explained to him how they were going to secure the best 2 talls in the draft which is exactly what the coach wanted.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pick-me-ups-across-board/story-0-1111117576972 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pick-me-ups-across-board/story-0-1111117576972)
Yeah well I watched the video interview with Buckenara right after the draft and he said the complete opposite, the evidence during draft day supports the original story as they didn't call Franklin's name out straight away and almost read out the wrong player. If you think I'm making things up go and look up the draft day threads from 2004 on sites like PRE. Hawks were rattled at Pick 5, they stumbled their words and then right afterwards Buckenara admitted that they thought that Richmond would go for one tall and one small so rather than taken the 2nd best of each type they wanted to let Richmond take their first pick then they would take the best of the type left over, they determined that to be Roughead.
At the end of the day, if they thought Franklin was going to be a certain superstar (which predraft many people knew he was capable of becoming) then there is no chance in hell they would have risked letting him slip through to Pick 5. Especially with the talk that Richmond were wanting Roughead with their next pick and as such would want one tall and one small.
You are going to have to forgive me if I don't put any value towards a radio interview with someone you can't even remember who it was 4 years after it happened. I know Hawthorn have said this since, but it doesn't change the truth of what happened at the time. My recollection of the story was that it was Clarkson who said he wanted to try and get two talls. (Which I believe is why they originally traded up to Pick 7 to complete). Then when it came to Pick 7, as the Hawks already had their two talls, they took Lewis who having been overlooked the previous year was expected to go at the end of the first round, start of the 2nd round, so having missed out on a mid with one of their first 5 picks, reached for the next mid they wanted. It all worked out for them, but there was a massive luck component in it, certainly wasn't their strategy walking into the draft in 2004.
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
The thing your story forgets is the Hawks expected us to pick Franklin and when we took Tambling it caused them a stir and it took them quite a while and a fair amount of talking before they called Franklin's name. It would seem they rated Roughead over Franklin and they were fortunate we picked Tambling. Only in hindsight though.
sorry but your wrong.
You're going to need to provide more than you have to prove yourself right.
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
The thing your story forgets is the Hawks expected us to pick Franklin and when we took Tambling it caused them a stir and it took them quite a while and a fair amount of talking before they called Franklin's name. It would seem they rated Roughead over Franklin and they were fortunate we picked Tambling. Only in hindsight though.
sorry but your wrong.
You're going to need to provide more than you have to prove yourself right.
ok I agree my recollection of the radio interview isn't so good.
More proof you ask. Ok try this article.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-of-evidence/story-e6frf9lx-1111113513502 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-of-evidence/story-e6frf9lx-1111113513502)
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WGAF about this. :thumbsup
Have a beer boys :cheers
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
The thing your story forgets is the Hawks expected us to pick Franklin and when we took Tambling it caused them a stir and it took them quite a while and a fair amount of talking before they called Franklin's name. It would seem they rated Roughead over Franklin and they were fortunate we picked Tambling. Only in hindsight though.
sorry but your wrong.
You're going to need to provide more than you have to prove yourself right.
ok I agree my recollection of the radio interview isn't so good.
More proof you ask. Ok try this article.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-of-evidence/story-e6frf9lx-1111113513502 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-of-evidence/story-e6frf9lx-1111113513502)
I see this article mentions that they went looking for a spine, this doesn't contradict what I said earlier about them upgrading to Pick 7 to help them do this
Either way, they did not rate Buddy as the star you say they did back then and that article highlights the exact reasons why he slipped to Pick 5
I am telling you what happened on draft day, with enough detail that you really need to just give this argument up. I don't give a flying F#<& what Hawthorn have said 4+ years on about what happened that day, it is clear as day that they would not have risked Buddy slipping to Pick 5 if they genuinely knew he was the player he has become. Everyone knew he COULD become that player, but the issues, highlighted in your own reference, put doubt into all the clubs' minds.
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It will be interesting to see in 3 or 4 years whether Darling is seen in a similar light. A kid with problems but huge potential who went much later than originally expected. Seems to be doing OK so far.
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
The thing your story forgets is the Hawks expected us to pick Franklin and when we took Tambling it caused them a stir and it took them quite a while and a fair amount of talking before they called Franklin's name. It would seem they rated Roughead over Franklin and they were fortunate we picked Tambling. Only in hindsight though.
sorry but your wrong.
You're going to need to provide more than you have to prove yourself right.
ok I agree my recollection of the radio interview isn't so good.
More proof you ask. Ok try this article.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-of-evidence/story-e6frf9lx-1111113513502 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-of-evidence/story-e6frf9lx-1111113513502)
I see this article mentions that they went looking for a spine, this doesn't contradict what I said earlier about them upgrading to Pick 7 to help them do this
Either way, they did not rate Buddy as the star you say they did back then and that article highlights the exact reasons why he slipped to Pick 5
I am telling you what happened on draft day, with enough detail that you really need to just give this argument up. I don't give a flying F#<& what Hawthorn have said 4+ years on about what happened that day, it is clear as day that they would not have risked Buddy slipping to Pick 5 if they genuinely knew he was the player he has become. Everyone knew he COULD become that player, but the issues, highlighted in your own reference, put doubt into all the clubs' minds.
Imfamy why can't you admit you got it wrong. I gave you the proof you asked for. I don't care what they said draft day. Fact is they wanted talls and had a strategy to get them and they succeeded in doing this.
So c'mon Fonzie admit it........ "I was wwwwwwwwwrrrrr.......
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Facts are that hawthorn only picked roughead first because they knew we wanted him with our next pick. The stupid brainstrust at Richmond didn't think Franklin was worth our 4th pick so we were always going to pick roughead.
Hawthorn knew this and snapped him up so they could secure the 2 best talls in the draft they new Franklin was a superstar and roughead was the next best tall. They also knew that we were picking lids first and the bulldogs were picking that other guy.
The question should really be Deledio v Franklin.
The thing your story forgets is the Hawks expected us to pick Franklin and when we took Tambling it caused them a stir and it took them quite a while and a fair amount of talking before they called Franklin's name. It would seem they rated Roughead over Franklin and they were fortunate we picked Tambling. Only in hindsight though.
sorry but your wrong.
You're going to need to provide more than you have to prove yourself right.
ok I agree my recollection of the radio interview isn't so good.
More proof you ask. Ok try this article.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-of-evidence/story-e6frf9lx-1111113513502 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/buddy-of-evidence/story-e6frf9lx-1111113513502)
I see this article mentions that they went looking for a spine, this doesn't contradict what I said earlier about them upgrading to Pick 7 to help them do this
Either way, they did not rate Buddy as the star you say they did back then and that article highlights the exact reasons why he slipped to Pick 5
I am telling you what happened on draft day, with enough detail that you really need to just give this argument up. I don't give a flying F#<& what Hawthorn have said 4+ years on about what happened that day, it is clear as day that they would not have risked Buddy slipping to Pick 5 if they genuinely knew he was the player he has become. Everyone knew he COULD become that player, but the issues, highlighted in your own reference, put doubt into all the clubs' minds.
Imfamy why can't you admit you got it wrong. I gave you the proof you asked for. I don't care what they said draft day. Fact is they wanted talls and had a strategy to get them and they succeeded in doing this.
So c'mon Fonzie admit it........ "I was wwwwwwwwwrrrrr.......
hahahahaahahaha he never does pal
Infamy is Fonzi more like Ponzi i think.
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Probably because I never am wrong
Telling the story differently 4 (now 7) years on does not change the truth of what happened on the day
You're the one that said that Hawthorn knew that Franklin would be a superstar when the link you provided explains exactly why he slipped
As for calling the brainstrust stupid, well in 2004 the only recruiter we had was Greg Beck who had been sacked so there wasn't exactly ANY brainstrust to blame. Still don't know why the Bulldogs don't cop more flack for passing on Buddy, they probably would have two premierships by now if they'd taken him.
I reckon you just like sticking the boot into the club.
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Probably because I never am wrong
Telling the story differently 4 (now 7) years on does not change the truth of what happened on the day
You're the one that said that Hawthorn knew that Franklin would be a superstar when the link you provided explains exactly why he slipped
As for calling the brainstrust stupid, well in 2004 the only recruiter we had was Greg Beck who had been sacked so there wasn't exactly ANY brainstrust to blame. Still don't know why the Bulldogs don't cop more flack for passing on Buddy, they probably would have two premierships by now if they'd taken him.
I reckon you just like sticking the boot into the club.
was beck still there in 04 im not sure he was. without a doubt the man responsible for recruiting at that time was miller.
anyway i dont know if hawthorn out witted us or we shot ourselves in the foot hawthorn goal was to build a spine and they went a long way to achieving that. they also traded into pick 7 to ensure a shot at lewis so i would say they achieved all of their goals early in the 04 draft.
i think it would have been logical for our club to take one mid and one tall with picks 1 and 4.it didnt happen for what ever reason.
so the question deledio v roughead.
do we judge on games played well that a tough one. BD 138 JR 135.
Ones a tall and as such should take longer to develop yet hes played most games from the get go.
ones a mid/flanker ones a kpf totally different types and totally different roles. JR has had some lean periods but he is that big strong player that they can go thru that brereton talks about.i think both have been good for their clubs and i think roughhead would be an assett at richmond just like deledio would be an assett at hawthorn. if we are to compare like for like top picks from the one draft surely it should be deledio v griffen.
finally just on that pick in 04 #6 tom williams. i still like the look of this bloke. ironic isnt it hes managed just 60 odd games due to constant injury problems. brereton said hawthorn thought wb would take williams where they did but said he was tough one to judge because he was always injured seems the injurys keep on dogging the bloke.
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was beck still there in 04 im not sure he was. without a doubt the man responsible for recruiting at that time was miller.
Looks like he was but as you say, who was responsible for the final decisions is open to conjecture:
The Craziness Of The 2004 AFL Draft - Richmond
1 Brett Deledio
4 Richard Tambling
12 Danny Meyer
16 Adam Pattison
20 Dean Polo
36 Luke McGuane
52 Dean Limbach
65 Mark Graham
72 Pass
From The Age: Who your team picked
THE CLUB SAYS "We went in aiming to get a variety of players - some midfielders, some talls and a couple of utilities - and we think we've come out with a decent mix. We were more than happy to take Tambling on board after Hawthorn took (Jarryd) Roughead, because we rate him very highly; we rated all of the top four. We've got a couple of guys who can be thrown around anywhere. It's going to be the department of youth at Richmond next year with the boys we took last year, so Graham appealed as a senior body, not only to stand up in games but to teach these kids as well." - Greg Beck, Richmond recruiting manager
http://www.aflinsider.net/the-craziness-of-the-2004-afl-draft-richmond/ (http://www.aflinsider.net/the-craziness-of-the-2004-afl-draft-richmond/)
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Delidio.
Roughhead is poohouse.
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was beck still there in 04 im not sure he was. without a doubt the man responsible for recruiting at that time was miller.
Looks like he was but as you say, who was responsible for the final decisions is open to conjecture:
The Craziness Of The 2004 AFL Draft - Richmond
1 Brett Deledio
4 Richard Tambling
12 Danny Meyer
16 Adam Pattison
20 Dean Polo
36 Luke McGuane
52 Dean Limbach
65 Mark Graham
72 Pass
From The Age: Who your team picked
THE CLUB SAYS "We went in aiming to get a variety of players - some midfielders, some talls and a couple of utilities - and we think we've come out with a decent mix. We were more than happy to take Tambling on board after Hawthorn took (Jarryd) Roughead, because we rate him very highly; we rated all of the top four. We've got a couple of guys who can be thrown around anywhere. It's going to be the department of youth at Richmond next year with the boys we took last year, so Graham appealed as a senior body, not only to stand up in games but to teach these kids as well." - Greg Beck, Richmond recruiting manager
http://www.aflinsider.net/the-craziness-of-the-2004-afl-draft-richmond/ (http://www.aflinsider.net/the-craziness-of-the-2004-afl-draft-richmond/)
cheers for that just couldnt recall when he got the arse.
the one that bemused me was mark graham at pick 64. supposedly to add some experience down back and teach the kids. what kids was he going to mentor. we had few young kpds and we had experienced tall defenders in a kellaway hall and gaspar anyway. archibald was the only young tall defender we had on the list proper. mcguane was drafted as a forward moore was looked upon very much as a flanker and we had just rookied a 76kg thursfield.
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was beck still there in 04 im not sure he was. without a doubt the man responsible for recruiting at that time was miller.
Looks like he was but as you say, who was responsible for the final decisions is open to conjecture:
The Craziness Of The 2004 AFL Draft - Richmond
1 Brett Deledio
4 Richard Tambling
12 Danny Meyer
16 Adam Pattison
20 Dean Polo
36 Luke McGuane
52 Dean Limbach
65 Mark Graham
72 Pass
From The Age: Who your team picked
THE CLUB SAYS "We went in aiming to get a variety of players
http://www.aflinsider.net/the-craziness-of-the-2004-afl-draft-richmond/ (http://www.aflinsider.net/the-craziness-of-the-2004-afl-draft-richmond/)
Well we did get a variety of players....unfortunately they were all ****ing s.hithouse ;D
we got Lids out of it though hey :thumbsup
Pass has been serviceable too
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This thread is depressing me.
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What's happened to Danny Meyer at Port?
Seem to recall many thinking he had talent to burn.
lol :lol
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Probably because I never am wrong
Telling the story differently 4 (now 7) years on does not change the truth of what happened on the day
You're the one that said that Hawthorn knew that Franklin would be a superstar when the link you provided explains exactly why he slipped
As for calling the brainstrust stupid, well in 2004 the only recruiter we had was Greg Beck who had been sacked so there wasn't exactly ANY brainstrust to blame. Still don't know why the Bulldogs don't cop more flack for passing on Buddy, they probably would have two premierships by now if they'd taken him.
I reckon you just like sticking the boot into the club.
ok Fonzie. Dermie, Buckenara, and the entire Hawthorn football club were wrong when they said right after the draft one thing but revealed their actual plan years later. And I was wrong for giving you facts from an article written by Dermott Brereton himself.
As for sticking the boot in. Well like you I've invested alot of Time, emotion and money into supporting this great club and I can praise them and critisize them as I see fit. That's why were on here isn't it? To offer opinion, to vent etc.
:gotigers
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was beck still there in 04 im not sure he was. without a doubt the man responsible for recruiting at that time was miller.
Was still Beck, he was told towards the end of the year that he wouldn't be required next year, but he was still the head of recruiting at the draft and the one reading out the names on the day.
Due to lack of funds they hired Francis Jackson part time for 2005 while Miller did a lot of the leg work that Jackson couldn't do due to him coaching the Brighton Grammar football side on weekends. This details of this were told at the FTF gala speeches prior to the dinner.
ok Fonzie. Dermie, Buckenara, and the entire Hawthorn football club were wrong when they said right after the draft one thing but revealed their actual plan years later. And I was wrong for giving you facts from an article written by Dermott Brereton himself.
I still don't see the point, after you have the players you wanted why not announce that you went into the draft wanting to build the spine first. There is no reason for lying after the players names have been read out.
As for sticking the boot in. Well like you I've invested alot of Time, emotion and money into supporting this great club and I can praise them and critisize them as I see fit. That's why were on here isn't it? To offer opinion, to vent etc.
That's all well and good, but I hardly see how that is any different to everyone on this forum. Bag the club when it is justified, however the selection of Tambling over Franklin was the right one at the time. If you want to stick the boot in, put all your efforts into the selection of JON. That selection can't be defended.
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Tom Williams was doing Angus Graham impersonations in the ruck on Saturday
Maybe he thinks Brad Ottens is really really really good looking :lol
Williams was ok last year in a good side, still think he has questionable footskills and decision making, rugby background, poor man's LRT
GWS? His old man played for Parramatta
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Tom Williams dad played for Parramatta?
Tom is from England, he came to the country 18 months before he was drafted, so not sure how that could have happened
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Tom Williams dad played for Parramatta?
Tom is from England, he came to the country 18 months before he was drafted, so not sure how that could have happened
well Fonzie, his dad Steve played for the Eels in the 70s, co-founded the Broncos as well
Tom played under 18 rep union for QLD as a teenager before taking up AFL, have never heard anything about England
his old man is a Queenslander through and through so not sure how that makes Tom a Pom, maybe his mum is from there
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Fonzie :lol
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Sorry, confused him with Brad Moran
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Probably because I never am wrong
this
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Sorry, confused him with Brad Moran
then this. im sorry but something is wrong here. ;D
sorry fonz er i mean infamy just having a bit of fun.
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Probably because I never am wrong
this
I was being a touch facetious
Serves me right for going off memory and not double checking. To be fair they were both converts to AFL around 18 months prior to getting drafted, both in the same draft and both talls.
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Deledio :thumbsup
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Tom Williams dad played for Parramatta?
Tom is from England, he came to the country 18 months before he was drafted, so not sure how that could have happened
hahahahahahahaha Fonzi you been owned yet again
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I get it right a hell of a lot more than you do you tosser
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Sorry, confused him with Brad Moran
Confused with dont know what your talking about,
:rollin
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Stick to the topic without the personal sniping and insults :banghead
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Sorry, confused him with Brad Moran
Confused with dont know what your talking about,
:rollin
good to have you back. Someone who does know what his talking about
The Fonzi/Ponzi is a bit lost at the moment. He lost his way since leather face got the boot
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I get it right a hell of a lot more than you do you tosser
i think its time you changed your signature Fonz
It has a certain Pot Kettle Black kinda feel to it now.
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Sorry, confused him with Brad Moran
Moran migrated in 2001 as a 15yr old, 3 years before being drafted not 18 months
Started up footy about the same time as Williams though :thumbsup