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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 16, 2010, 02:46:23 AM
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Richmond hunts Dons midfielder
Greg Denham
The Australian
September 16, 2010
RICHMOND will add to its midfield next year by acquiring out-of-contract Bomber Bachar Houli.
Negotiations between the Tigers and Houli's management are well down the track to secure the disgruntled 22-year-old, who failed to play regularly in the past three years at Windy Hill under recently sacked coach Matthew Knights.
Richmond, which has plenty of room to manoeuvre within its salary cap, is in discussions with several players at rival clubs to switch to Punt Road following the retirement of Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins.
The Tigers hope to recruit Houli via a trade next month, or push him through to the pre-season draft where he could be contracted to them without Essendon receiving any compensation.
In the December pre-season draft, the Tigers, who finished 15th this year, have second pick of the current clubs.
Houli only has to slip past the Gold Coast and wooden-spooner West Coast to be available to be drafted by Richmond.
A popular player with Essendon supporters who often queried his non-selection, Houli is likely to be offered an initial two-year contract to switch clubs.
The outside midfielder has attracted first-year Richmond coach Damien Hardwick's attention with his foot skills and ability to accumulate possessions, particularly against strong opposition.
Houli was one of 39 players used at senior level this season by the Bombers, but played only five games, spending most of the season in the VFL.
He averaged 20 possessions this season, with his best performances being against top-eight clubs Carlton, with 25 disposals in round three, and St Kilda, where he gathered 24 touches and took seven marks in round 18.
The third-round selection in the 2006 national draft has played 26 games in his four years at Windy Hill, and overcame a fractured leg last year.
He was a Rising Star nomination in 2008 when he played 10 games.
Houli, born in Australia to Lebanese parents, is the first devout Muslim to play AFL.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/richmond-hunts-dons-midfielder/story-e6frg7mf-1225924289184
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poo will hit the fan in a few hours
:lol
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the kid is ok, has pace and good skills, lots of upside , not his fault knights was a stubborn arrse
he would be much better than most kids in the draft so why not
its not like we can puck a bunch of great kids, GC has them all
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I'm all for Houli to come to punt road but hopefully we dont pay through the nose to get him! A late round draft pick or get him in the pre season draft will be fine. He is the right age he has skill and pace, given a proper go in a decent environment and he could be anything!
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I'm all for Houli to come to punt road but hopefully we dont pay through the nose to get him! A late round draft pick or get him in the pre season draft will be fine. He is the right age he has skill and pace, given a proper go in a decent environment and he could be anything!
I don't think we will howler, he's uncontracted so we hold the upper hand
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He averaged 20 possessions this season, with his best performances being against top-eight clubs Carlton, with 25 disposals in round three, and St Kilda, where he gathered 24 touches and took seven marks in round 18.
Thing is, is he the player top sides don't mind having the pill so they pay him little respect and don't put their best on him? That stat could be good or it could be bad.
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Does he run both ways? Not many at Essendon do.
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This will rank right up there with the Jordy trade.
*sigh* Just when I thought we were finally getting it right :banghead
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This will rank right up there with the Jordy trade.
*sigh* Just when I thought we were finally getting it right :banghead
No it won't, because we will not be trading a PP for him like we did with Jordy, stop trying to sensationalise it, we will get him for next to nothing.
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This will rank right up there with the Jordy trade.
*sigh* Just when I thought we were finally getting it right :banghead
Houli for Tambling?
It's like choosing between a 70 year old tranny or a 500 pound girl with leprosy :-\
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I hope the club holds true to its re-development and does not offer up ANY of its draft picks for this player. I think we should only take him for player swap such as Polo, Nahas or Thursfield or, best option, take him in the PSD.
If we give Essendon a pick in the ND for him then I will be very upset - as PP said - it would be like the McMahon trade all over again....
Stripes
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We shouldn't take him full stop. He's crap ! Couldn't get a game in the weakest midfield in the AFL. Why Tiges why ?????????
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many bridges to cross.
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He's not that bad but i could squirt over a 500 pound girl with leprosy and hit a better midfielder without looking
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180 cms and 85 kilo's
Couldnt get a game in a pathetic Essendon outfit
Gee Richmond we are really hitting the jackpot there arent we?
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180 cms and 85 kilo's
Couldnt get a game in a pathetic Essendon outfit
Gee Richmond we are really hitting the jackpot there arent we?
3rd round pick who hasn't played much, I wouldn't be offering much more than a 4th rounder.
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Denham was slightly confused this morning on KB's show. First says Houli will go to Richmond for a round 2 pick and the deal is done but then a few minutes later says Houli for Tambling and a swap of draft picks ???.
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Are they kidding us
This will be another episode of Tiger Tales between the Legs ;D
NO
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So we don't learn anything from the Tom Hislop story but repeat it with an inferior player. :banghead
Hislop - pick 20 ('06), 22 games, stress fracture injury, drafted by Richmond for pick 60. Demoted to Rookie list.
Houli - pick 42 ('06), 26 games, OP and broken leg injury, trade to Richmond for pick 60 (?)........
If ever there was a cautionary experience staring you in the face this has got to be it. Do they ever learn ANYTHING from their past mistakes?
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Once again we have everyone jumping up and down saying Houli is no good, but no one saying why.
How about , just for the sake of those of us who have only seen him play a couple of times, telling us why he is no good?
"..because he can't get a game for Essendon" is about as insightful as a direct quote from a Dick and Dora book.
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One rumour out there is Essendon actually want Mundy and want us to take Houli in the PSD so they can get Mundy for nix with the next PSD pick (Mundy wants to go home so WC won't pick him).
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One rumour out there is Essendon actually want Mundy and want us to take Houli in the PSD so they can get Mundy for nix with the next PSD pick (Mundy wants to go home so WC won't pick him).
Thats a cracker! Like we would take Houli over Mundy!! :scream
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Once again we have everyone jumping up and down saying Houli is no good, but no one saying why.
How about , just for the sake of those of us who have only seen him play a couple of times, telling us why he is no good?
"..because he can't get a game for Essendon" is about as insightful as a direct quote from a Dick and Dora book.
Ok , he's a soft as butter receiver with over rated disposal...remind you of anyone ?
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Soft as butter? How many times have you seen him play to make that judgment?
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One rumour out there is Essendon actually want Mundy and want us to take Houli in the PSD so they can get Mundy for nix with the next PSD pick (Mundy wants to go home so WC won't pick him).
Thats a cracker! Like we would take Houli over Mundy!! :scream
Maybe that is the plan, make it look like we are set on Houli and swoop on Mundy in the PSD.
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One rumour out there is Essendon actually want Mundy and want us to take Houli in the PSD so they can get Mundy for nix with the next PSD pick (Mundy wants to go home so WC won't pick him).
Thats a cracker! Like we would take Houli over Mundy!! :scream
I think their argument is we basically commit to and sign-up Houli well prior to the PSD and before knowing Mundy is available so we can't bail out and opt for Mundy in the PSD. Hey this is the Bombers' wishful thinking lol.
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Soft as butter? How many times have you seen him play to make that judgment?
None of your frickin business pal ;)
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Once again we have everyone jumping up and down saying Houli is no good, but no one saying why.
How about , just for the sake of those of us who have only seen him play a couple of times, telling us why he is no good?
"..because he can't get a game for Essendon" is about as insightful as a direct quote from a Dick and Dora book.
Ok , he's a soft as butter receiver with over rated disposal...remind you of anyone ?
The difference is that you'd go long way to find someone that disagrees with that about jordie if you could at all, but not all essondon people agree with that about houli.
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Soft as butter? How many times have you seen him play to make that judgment?
None of your frickin business pal ;)
Haha, well played old sausage...well played. ;) Btw, has anyone ever seen a bloke called black post on Yellow and Beige? Some deluded prick who thinks Jordy Mac is a gun. :lol
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Once again we have everyone jumping up and down saying Houli is no good, but no one saying why.
How about , just for the sake of those of us who have only seen him play a couple of times, telling us why he is no good?
"..because he can't get a game for Essendon" is about as insightful as a direct quote from a Dick and Dora book.
Ok , he's a soft as butter receiver with over rated disposal...remind you of anyone ?
The difference is that you'd go long way to find someone that disagrees with that about jordie if you could at all, but not all essondon people agree with that about houli.
Ill tell you what the difference is pal. Mclovin was wanted by a fair few people on this forum.
i could take you back to some of those posts that were floating around.
"Give him a go! have you seen him play etc etc etc
Bombers fan were dillusional by crapping on bout why Houli was getting a go. The facts are they didnt like Knighter from day 1. Got nothing to do with Bachsher Julio iglesius they just wanted a reason to get upset with him again.
Mcmahon played out the last remaining games with Buldogs seconds..FACT!!
Houli played out his last games at Bomber land in the seconds..fact!!
Both duds and our track record with them has been far from impressive.
Dont waste your time RFC unless its a direct swap for Hislop or Thomson. Those other 2 wonderful draft selections of our club
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daniel 100% correct :thumbsup
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Denham was slightly confused this morning on KB's show. First says Houli will go to Richmond for a round 2 pick and the deal is done but then a few minutes later says Houli for Tambling and a swap of draft picks ???.
That better mean Houli and their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks for Tambling and our 7th round pick.
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I'm not sure where the 'lacks skill' or 'soft receiver' comes from when some posters are discussing Houli. I haven't seen much of him but I did watch his game vs St Kilda and that night he was very good - skillful, quick and hard at it. Seems to have no problem getting a lot of the ball although consistency might be an issue but in someone of that age and experience then it would normally be expected, especially if he has been getting over a broken leg. His stats for the 5 games he played this year don't support the lack of skill or receiver tag - 106 disposals (85 effective) averaging 21.2 (47 kicks, 26 to advantage, 1 directly to an opponent), 23 1%'ers averaging 4.6, 20 tackles averaging 4.0, 38 contested possessions averaging 7.6, 40 ball gets averaging 8, 12 inside 50's averaging 2.4, 4 skill errors averaging 1. I haven't got much of an opinion on him one way or the other except to say we shouldn't trade any National Draft pick and/or use any traded pick lower than the 70's to get him but those are certainly not the stats of a poorly skilled receiver.
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Soft as butter? How many times have you seen him play to make that judgment?
None of your frickin business pal ;)
Btw, has anyone ever seen a bloke called black post on Yellow and Beige?
He's a total flog...don't trust him 8)
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The guy in Yellow and Black may be clever and trying to pump up Jordie's stocks so Scotty Clayton who originally drafted Jordie at the Dogs grabs Jordie for the GC as an uncontracted player before we delist him and we get a compensation pick :pray.
As for trading for Houli ::). The guy hasn't even played half a season of AFL footy in each of his 4 years in the system and is out of contract. Pick him up in the PSD at best. If we miss out on him then big deal. Either Houli comes cheap or not at all. If Craig Cameron gives up something decent for Houli then it'll be on par with his disasterous trade for Adam Thomson who was also out on uncontracted at the time and couldn't get a game at a struggling Port side :banghead.
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The guy in Yellow and Black may be clever and trying to pump up Jordie's stocks so Scotty Clayton who originally drafted Jordie at the Dogs grabs Jordie for the GC as an uncontracted player before we delist him and we get a compensation pick :pray.
MT could you explain what the deal with Mclovin is? Are you saying we might be entitled to something for this porn star? surely not
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We shouldn't take him full stop. He's crap ! Couldn't get a game in the weakest midfield in the AFL. Why Tiges why ?????????
Because the Coach, our List Manager and our Opposition List Manager (Hartley) obviously rate him and see something you clearly do not!!!!!!!!! We could do a lot worse in my opinion. From my perspective, I am prepared to Back Hardwick and his List staff to make the right calls. As others have said, we may be leveraging to get him for nothing in the PSD. Geez, we have a lot of drama students on this forum at times!!!
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What else are the Bombers going to give us in return for taking him.... ::). Fair dinkum we may as well keep Hislop and Thompson because IMO Houli is no better.
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What else are the Bombers going to give us in return for taking him.... ::). Fair dinkum we may as well keep Hislop and Thompson because IMO Houli is no better.
Absolute crap- gets way more of the ball than either of those two and is a reliable kick
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What else are the Bombers going to give us in return for taking him.... ::). Fair dinkum we may as well keep Hislop and Thompson because IMO Houli is no better.
Absolute crap- gets way more of the ball than either of those two and is a reliable kick
Um yeah, ok, sorry don't agree, not sure how you can justify that comment based on the fact that both Thompson and Hislop have played more football than Houli... ???
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What else are the Bombers going to give us in return for taking him.... ::). Fair dinkum we may as well keep Hislop and Thompson because IMO Houli is no better.
Absolute crap- gets way more of the ball than either of those two and is a reliable kick
Must also ask you, why the hell would we recruit a player that can't even get a game with the Dons??
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The guy in Yellow and Black may be clever and trying to pump up Jordie's stocks so Scotty Clayton who originally drafted Jordie at the Dogs grabs Jordie for the GC as an uncontracted player before we delist him and we get a compensation pick :pray.
MT could you explain what the deal with Mclovin is? Are you saying we might be entitled to something for this porn star? surely not
In reality Jordie will be delisted by us and never to been seen again in the AFL. However in theory if Gold Coast decide they want Jordie given he's out of contract and they can get him for nothing then we would be entitled to a compensation pick of some kind if they sign Jordie before we delist him by Oct 31 (if it's after Oct 31 then he's effectively a free agent open to anyone). Just wishful daniel by me.
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Houli for Polo is more a fair trade given both played mostly VFL level than a trade involving either a 2nd round pick or Blingers.
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Houli for Polo is more a fair trade given both played mostly VFL level than a trade involving either a 2nd round pick or Blingers.
:thumbsup
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Um yeah, ok, sorry don't agree, not sure how you can justify that comment based on the fact that both Thompson and Hislop have played more football than Houli... ???
Houli has played more games than Hislop, 26-22. Thomilf, a herculean 32. Mr. WATiger you are 50% correct.
Let's be honest, all three are pretty poo. I'd rather Hislop because he has more balls. Thomson's milf must be about 60 by now, he needs to let it go.
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Houli for Polo is more a fair trade given both played mostly VFL level than a trade involving either a 2nd round pick or Blingers.
straight swap no more no less.
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Um yeah, ok, sorry don't agree, not sure how you can justify that comment based on the fact that both Thompson and Hislop have played more football than Houli... ???
Houli has played more games than Hislop, 26-22. Thomilf, a herculean 32. Mr. WATiger you are 50% correct.
Let's be honest, all three are pretty poo. I'd rather Hislop because he has more balls. Thomson's milf must be about 60 by now, he needs to let it go.
Well at least I am half right for a change.. :thumbsup, I agree with you totally on their talent, thats why I am saying, why the hell would we pick up a player that can't even get a crank with the Bombers?? I would take Houli for Polo though because Polo is worse than Houli so really nothing lost.
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Well at least I am half right for a change.. :thumbsup, I agree with you totally on their talent, thats why I am saying, why the hell would we pick up a player that can't even get a crank with the Bombers?? I would take Houli for Polo though because Polo is worse than Houli so really nothing lost.
You usually shoot under 50%? :lol I don't believe that for a second.
Polo reminds me of my daughter, and Houli is the kind of dud that would date her. stuff them both off.
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Well at least I am half right for a change.. :thumbsup, I agree with you totally on their talent, thats why I am saying, why the hell would we pick up a player that can't even get a crank with the Bombers?? I would take Houli for Polo though because Polo is worse than Houli so really nothing lost.
You usually shoot under 50%? :lol I don't believe that for a second.
Polo reminds me of my daughter, and Houli is the kind of dud that would date her. eff them both off.
Shooting at 100% with the breeding though.. :thumbsup, bit harsh on your daughter.. she can't be as bad as Houli..maybe we should draft her.. :rollin
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Shooting at 100% with the breeding though.. :thumbsup, bit harsh on your daughter.. she can't be as bad as Houli..maybe we should draft her.. :rollin
No by remind I meant he just looks like her. And she's not as bad as Houli. Goes alright i'm told ;)
100% with your breeding, what do you want? a clap? :clapping :rollin
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Shooting at 100% with the breeding though.. :thumbsup, bit harsh on your daughter.. she can't be as bad as Houli..maybe we should draft her.. :rollin
No by remind I meant he just looks like her. And she's not as bad as Houli. Goes alright i'm told ;)
100% with your breeding, what do you want? a clap? :clapping :rollin
:lol :thumbsup
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Shooting at 100% with the breeding though.. :thumbsup, bit harsh on your daughter.. she can't be as bad as Houli..maybe we should draft her.. :rollin
No by remind I meant he just looks like her. And she's not as bad as Houli. Goes alright i'm told ;)
100% with your breeding, what do you want? a clap? :clapping :rollin
Whats the bike mate??
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Whats the bike mate??
It's a harley, I got the pic off the internet for my avatar.
The chick and bike are hot.
http://roadcaptainusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/biker-chick.JPG
:-*
That's a good blog by the way if you like bikes WATiger.
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Whats the bike mate??
It's a harley, I got the pic off the internet for my avatar.
The chick and bike are hot.
http://roadcaptainusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/biker-chick.JPG
:-*
That's a good blog by the way if you like bikes WATiger.
Cheers, I will have a look.
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Houli for Polo is more a fair trade given both played mostly VFL level than a trade involving either a 2nd round pick or Blingers.
straight swap no more no less.
As a poster on Bomberblitz said this is a lose-lose trade lol.
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Houli for Polo is more a fair trade given both played mostly VFL level than a trade involving either a 2nd round pick or Blingers.
straight swap no more no less.
As a poster on Bomberblitz said this is a lose-lose trade lol.
LOL, how true is that, but really we should be the winners, Polo is what 24-25 and Houli is 22, so we can keep him for another 2 years. Who knows, the club will do what they wan't in the end and we will bitch about it, or rejoice in our glory for agreeing with the drafting... :lol
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Houli for Polo is more a fair trade given both played mostly VFL level than a trade involving either a 2nd round pick or Blingers.
straight swap no more no less.
As a poster on Bomberblitz said this is a lose-lose trade lol.
LOL, how true is that, but really we should be the winners, Polo is what 24-25 and Houli is 22, so we can keep him for another 2 years. Who knows, the club will do what they wan't in the end and we will bitch about it, or rejoice in our glory for agreeing with the drafting... :lol
That's true WAT we have no say and the Club will do what it wants. However as you say we can still complain about it lol. A 22 y.o. small with 4 years in the AFL system should be a regular best 22 by that age if he is going to make it. Also he is just 180cm tall and another sub-six footer is hardly the type of player we are short of on our list :P. Sometimes I just scratch my head perplexed with some of Craig Cameron's list management decisions.
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Houli for Polo is more a fair trade given both played mostly VFL level than a trade involving either a 2nd round pick or Blingers.
straight swap no more no less.
As a poster on Bomberblitz said this is a lose-lose trade lol.
LOL, how true is that, but really we should be the winners, Polo is what 24-25 and Houli is 22, so we can keep him for another 2 years. Who knows, the club will do what they wan't in the end and we will bitch about it, or rejoice in our glory for agreeing with the drafting... :lol
That's true WAT we have no say and the Club will do what it wants. However as you say we can still complain about it lol. A 22 y.o. small with 4 years in the AFL system should be a regular best 22 by that age if he is going to make it. Also he is just 180cm tall and another sub-six footer is hardly the type of player we are short of on our list :P. Sometimes I just scratch my head perplexed with some of Craig Cameron's list management decisions.
No arguments here MT.. :thumbsup
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Houli for Polo is more a fair trade given both played mostly VFL level than a trade involving either a 2nd round pick or Blingers.
straight swap no more no less.
Spot on, two guys who are playing VFL. It is a fair swap.
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The guy in Yellow and Black may be clever
He's very clever :thumbsup
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http://roadcaptainusa.com/
That's a crap blog love
He's very clever :thumbsup
He's a smart ass. No wonder his kids barrack for North :shh
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Believed to have an in-principle agreement with Essendon swapping Bachar Houli for a second or third-round pick. But Houli is far from ferocious, which is what Dimma Hardwick demands from his players. Where does he play in a midfield that should get more game time from Andrew Collins and the returning Nate Foley?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-buzz-why-do-people-hate-on-harry/story-e6frf9jf-1225920718084
Polo could be traded as part of the Houli deal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-in-hunt-for-bachar-houli/story-e6frf9jx-1225924921375
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Believed to have an in-principle agreement with Essendon swapping Bachar Houli for a second or third-round pick.
What a crock. Just another Journo making something up and selling it as fact. They would not have a clue. Believed to have (i.e. I'm guessing) an agreement for a draft pick that may differ by up to 30 picks in the draft.
What a wanker!
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The only chance we have of winning in such a deal is as reported by 3rogerD is a direct swap for Polo
I cant see any reason why anyone on here would possibly think Bachar Julio is worth any more than that.
Instead of getting taller, bigger and more skillfull we go shorter :banghead :banghead
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Believed to have an in-principle agreement with Essendon swapping Bachar Houli for a second or third-round pick.
What a crock. Just another Journo making something up and selling it as fact. They would not have a clue. Believed to have (i.e. I'm guessing) an agreement for a draft pick that may differ by up to 30 picks in the draft.
What a wanker!
:clapping
There are 12 teams that aren't playing any more, all they want to read about is trades and drafting. A lot of people are still under the impression that if it's in the newspaper, it must be true. These guys wouldn't have a clue, they're just trying to sell papers as usual.
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http://roadcaptainusa.com/
That's a crap blog love
He's very clever :thumbsup
He's a smart ass. No wonder his kids barrack for North :shh
A situation I believe will be rectified before the 2011 season .Will involve violence if necessary. Nth's membership will drop by half if he's successful.
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Whats the bike mate??
It's a harley, I got the pic off the internet for my avatar.
The chick and bike are hot.
http://roadcaptainusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/biker-chick.JPG
:-*
That's a good blog by the way if you like bikes WATiger.
Les.B , dude , you need to have a real good hard look at yourself. I agree that if you live in Deer Park that chick on the bike would probably be considered hot but , err .... nah you need help man.
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if we give up our 2nd pick for Houli or the bloody sherminator i'll stuffing spew up! :chuck
I am deadset against sherman full stop. Just don't think he has good skills and would be exposed even more at a side like richmond, also for 450k per season thats a double whammy. He runs hard.... thats it, not good enough for mine.
Houli I haven't seen too much but his skills seem clean so i'm not deadset against it. However, I sill think that pick 29 for a 3rd round pick thats only played 20odd games in 4 years is paying overs, especially when thats our 2nd pick!.
Mundy is good but is being traded at an inflated rate. He is NOT elite and never will be. Is not worth 600k per season. I really hope these journos are having a lend bc I'd be really worried if any of these rumours are on the mark.
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if we give up our 2nd pick for Houli or the bloody sherminator i'll effing spew up! :chuck
I am deadset against sherman full stop. Just don't think he has good skills and would be exposed even more at a side like richmond, also for 450k per season thats a double whammy. He runs hard.... thats it, not good enough for mine.
Houli I haven't seen too much but his skills seem clean so i'm not deadset against it. However, I sill think that pick 29 for a 3rd round pick thats only played 20odd games in 4 years is paying overs, especially when thats our 2nd pick!.
Mundy is good but is being traded at an inflated rate. He is NOT elite and never will be. Is not worth 600k per season. I really hope these journos are having a lend bc I'd be really worried if any of these rumours are on the mark.
I'm for Houli for Polo as long as it is a straight swap and we do not give a pick away.
Sherman just too many gaps in his make up for mine but I think the media still see us as easy targets and with all the distractions of Eddie Collingwood Ablett Gold Coast the media have to write some sort of tripe that can't and shouldn't be swallowed. Dimma is not stupid.
If we do go down the path of recycling then he has done no more than what Wallace had done in his first two years. Using the draft first year in 2005 and using the recycle bin in year 2 when all we had to do was take out the household trash and bring the bin back in when the garbage truck collected it.
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To trade for a player you just have to ask yourself one question.
Is he better on your list than the last player on your list at the end of the day.
And to that i would say no.
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i would have thought tambling would be figuring prominently in trade discussions for either Houli or sherman..Bling, Mcguane and Rance will be our bargaining chips, nevermind our draft selections albeit that R2 will = ~30 in any case
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To trade for a player you just have to ask yourself one question.
Is he better on your list than the last player on your list at the end of the day.
And to that i would say no.
I would go one step further - Is he going to be take us towards and be part of our next premiership? If the answer is no then pass, keep the pick and go for a kid in the draft instead.
For some reason we seem to have an aversion to going through trade week and staying out of it (at least as far as not trading for players especially recycled fringe ones from other clubs).
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i would have thought tambling would be figuring prominently in trade discussions for either Houli or sherman..Bling, Mcguane and Rance will be our bargaining chips, nevermind our draft selections albeit that R2 will = ~30 in any case
I wouldn't think we would give more than a nanosecond of thought to anything involving a straight swap of Tambling for Houli. Our football department collectively are not that stupid, of that I'm very confident.
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i would have thought tambling would be figuring prominently in trade discussions for either Houli or sherman..Bling, Mcguane and Rance will be our bargaining chips, nevermind our draft selections albeit that R2 will = ~30 in any case
I wouldn't think we would give more than a nanosecond of thought to anything involving a straight swap of Tambling for Houli. Our football department collectively are not that stupid, of that I'm very confident.
err, ground control to major tom, I must be completely missing something here, are you suggesting RT is actually worth anything ::)...Nevermind their draft order my friend, here we have two talented juniors at the cross roads, and knowing what I know of RT Im backing BH to have more upside
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err, ground control to major tom, I must be completely missing something here, are you suggesting RT is actually worth anything ::)...Nevermind their draft order my friend, here we have two talented juniors at the cross roads, and knowing what I know of RT Im backing BH to have more upside
Certainly am BJ. He is has much much more currency in the AFL marketplace than Houli, regardless of what we Tiger supporters might think of him. Its not about my opinion of either player's potential or upside, just about their relative monetary/trade value.
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i agree with smoke 100%
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I don't think so Bojangles... BH didn't play sweet FA this year in a club that did sweet FA and you think he is better than Tambling who was struggling with injury and yet played more than him? That of course is up to your judgement but, I think its flawed.
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I don't think so Bojangles... BH didn't play sweet FA this year in a club that did sweet FA and you think he is better than Tambling who was struggling with injury and yet played more than him? That of course is up to your judgement but, I think its flawed.
Yeah Tambling played a lot but let's face it, he was hopeless in half the games he played this year. He was pretty good in 2009 and solid in other years. 2010 has pretty much ruined any decent trade value he had left, IMO. Is he going to finish up being any good or not? stuff, he's 24 and has played 100 games
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2010 has pretty much ruined any decent trade value he had left, IMO. Is he going to finish up being any good or not? eff, he's 24 and has played 100 games
Disagree that this year ruined his trade value Davey. Other clubs will look at his injury ruined pre-season and subsequent mid-season problems and make excuses for him (rightly or not) on the back of his excellent form in 2009.
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MT could you explain what the deal with Mclovin is? Are you saying we might be entitled to something for this porn star? surely not
Entitled to a refund perhaps???? :whistle
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To trade for a player you just have to ask yourself one question.
Is he better on your list than the last player on your list at the end of the day.
And to that i would say no.
I would rather have Houli on or list than the following....
McMahon
Thomson
Polo
Houli would be an equivalent player too and probally have more upside than than the following....
Nahas
White
Rance
Hislop
Collins
Farmer
If we were to trade for him he would be far from the worst player on our current list add Shermin to this and he would easily replace any of the names on both of those lists. I fail to see how we would be digresing if we were to trade out for either Houli or Shermin or even both.
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You can do that but at the end of the day manure is still manure regardless of its grade
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Houli is a risk so we should only pick him up for a late draft pick, anything beyond 3rd round is speculative anyway so picking up Houli for say a pick later than 50 would be okay. Many clubs have taken this approach and while it is hit and miss, can be a success.
Sydney are experts at it, the Hawks are also pretty good.
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Houli is a risk so we should only pick him up for a late draft pick, anything beyond 3rd round is speculative anyway so picking up Houli for say a pick later than 50 would be okay. Many clubs have taken this approach and while it is hit and miss, can be a success.
Sydney are experts at it, the Hawks are also pretty good.
yep and sydney want polo
so we should keep him
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I've almost never seen Polo lose a 1-on-1 contest. That being said, he just hasn't come on for us.
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I've almost never seen Polo lose a 1-on-1 contest. That being said, he just hasn't come on for us.
bec he has never been played in his rightful posi
we should keep him, he is a footballer, if he goes to sydney he will become a champ
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i personally think there are far worse players we should get rid of before Polo which are Nahas, Mcguane, Tambling, Hislop and Thompson.
What im about to say, i feel like some of the fools who wanted to keep schulz cause he kicked 5 goals in 1 game in Brisbane, but Polo did 3 goals in his first game then what followed is what we have seen with a lot of our players, PLAYED IN THE WRONG POSITION.
I think he should be on a HFF not this back pocket rubbish.
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I agree Nahas has shown his limits I think, to inconsistent, slops MIGHT have an upside like Kingy if he can straigten up, he is tenacious at the ball, can take a grab and goes hard. Tambo I disagree with you on completely he has got talent, but was injured. Thompson we have seen very little of because he was hit was a nasty and unusual injury, he is a tough player and I liked what I saw of him in and under when he did play. It is possible that his injury has stuffed him up though, tearing a pec muscle off is no small deal. He was rated highly when we got him before that injury.
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Why do we always overate other clubs players and underate our own. Quote fom an essendon board
Ah the infamous Houli work ethic that's seen him go from being an outside runner with decent skills but terrible under pressure, to being an outside runner with decent skills but terrible under pressure, in just 4 short years!!!
Such an improvement. He's lucky he's got that work ethic, otherwise about 20 guys would have gone past him for a game and he'd still be playing 2s... oh wait...
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Who does this remind you of
(hint) Mcmuffin!!!!
Finals football is played in a pressure cooker and outside players will be put under pressure.
We need to recruit players who will be performers in out next finals campaign not passengers.
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I would only take as a swap for a player who struggling to make the senior as Houli is at Essendon.
We have a better list than Essendon IMHO and he cant get a regular game at Essendon.
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Polo's 24 y.o. now and been in the AFL system for 6 years. Tries hard but sadly just isn't up to AFL standard. Time to cut our losses.
Thomson was a dud a Port before we traded for him :scream. He's a dodgy kick which is why he handballs far more than he kicks. He was going to be delisted by Port after 4 years on their list but we decided to trade a 3rd round pick for him (sounds so familiar to now with Houli :scream) and we as supporters got fed this rubbish about Thomson being the best clearance player in the AFL per unit time on ground and how he was going to protect Foley out on the ground. Too bad he was running around the SANFL because he couldn't get a game for Port at a time they were crying out for inside mids. Talk about manipulating a stat to make a fringe player sound like a potential champion that wasn't getting a go :P. Let's not make the same mistake with Houli :-\.
Why do we always overate other clubs players and underate our own. Quote fom an essendon board
Ah the infamous Houli work ethic that's seen him go from being an outside runner with decent skills but terrible under pressure, to being an outside runner with decent skills but terrible under pressure, in just 4 short years!!!
Such an improvement. He's lucky he's got that work ethic, otherwise about 20 guys would have gone past him for a game and he'd still be playing 2s... oh wait...
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Who does this remind you of
(hint) Mcmuffin!!!!
Finals football is played in a pressure cooker and outside players will be put under pressure.
We need to recruit players who will be performers in out next finals campaign not passengers.
Nice quote :lol
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I wish people would stop making things up to suit their arguments
Thomson was not going to be delisted at Port, he was offered a new contract at Port and turned it down
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That's what I remember reading. In fact, there were a lot of SA folks logging on over at Y&B to ask how he was going because quite a few were sorry to see he had been traded out.
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This Houli thing is just crazy.
The idea that we trade away one midfielder for another is stupid. The idea of trading is to get the types you don't have.
Why would we trade for Houli when we have King, White, Nason, Foley and Hicks who are the same type of forward/midfielder. Not to add Tambling and Nahas who we look like trading or delisting.
I've read somewhere that Essendon are looking at getting rid of Hooker and Myers. Can't really understand why but anything is possible at that shambles and who knows who makes the calls at the moment.
To me, either one of these is a better trade for Polo. Myers is a much bigger midfielder to replace Tuck. Hooker is the third tall we may need if we trade out McGuane AND Rance.
In the same vein is the idea of trading Tambling for Sherman.
Sherman to add to Newman, Edwards, Farmer, Webberley and Contin as a defensive midfielder. :banghead
So we trade Tambling and Polo for Houli and Sherman. In exactly the same place in terms of player type with the chance of worse individuals for a higher wage bill (re Sherman).
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not sure at what point any of the above is supposed to make sense...tambling and polo have next to NO currency...Huoli can play , he's proven that...if we can utlise our delistings by improving our depth in the process then it is a forward step in the right direction
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not sure at what point any of the above is supposed to make sense...tambling and polo have next to NO currency...Huoli can play , he's proven that...if we can utlise our delistings by improving our depth in the process then it is a forward step in the right direction
Tambling and Polo have next to NO currency? Houli can play? Your opinion based on nothing more substantial than your opinion.
Hooker and Myers are (as stated) being touted as trade bait. The same as Houli. The same as Polo and Tambling. Put them all in the same basket and who stands out - Houli?
You talking about making sense. :rollin :lol
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This Houli thing is just crazy.
The idea that we trade away one midfielder for another is stupid. The idea of trading is to get the types you don't have.
Why would we trade for Houli when we have King, White, Nason, Foley and Hicks who are the same type of forward/midfielder. Not to add Tambling and Nahas who we look like trading or delisting.
I've read somewhere that Essendon are looking at getting rid of Hooker and Myers. Can't really understand why but anything is possible at that shambles and who knows who makes the calls at the moment.
To me, either one of these is a better trade for Polo. Myers is a much bigger midfielder to replace Tuck. Hooker is the third tall we may need if we trade out McGuane AND Rance.
In the same vein is the idea of trading Tambling for Sherman.
Sherman to add to Newman, Edwards, Farmer, Webberley and Contin as a defensive midfielder. :banghead
So we trade Tambling and Polo for Houli and Sherman. In exactly the same place in terms of player type with the chance of worse individuals for a higher wage bill (re Sherman).
absolutely 100% correct
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they were just hoping GoldCoast would take Houli and give em a pick.
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Is Houli better than any of our outside midfielders at the moment? If he will play in our team each week then he is a better player than Polo. Polo is a small defender because he can't play midfield.
This year the draft is extremely weak - firstly it has been striped of talent with the best 17 year olds taken. Secondily, the first round has been effectively diluted 50%. Second round picks are equivalent to 4th in other years based on avaliable talent, 3rd round equivalent to 5th and so on. This means clubs are looking to trades, mature aged VFL players and delisted players far more than other years.
This is why Tambling in particular has currency this year. Clubs are happy to attempt to develop his talent rather than secure a young player from a serverly diluted tealent pool which is this years National Draft.
Picking up Houli, who may not be the best midfielder going around, may well appear a far more attractive offer than it would it other years as a result...
Stripes
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they were just hoping GoldCoast would take Houli and give em a pick.
exactly hooter, just like all the other clubs out there spewing out disinformation about clubs a,b & c being interested in their duds
never seen so many blokes that can't get a game with bottom sides so "hot" at the trade table LMAO
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Houli appears the least likely to stay at Essendon.
Rival clubs will have noted his contract status at the Bombers, with the 22-year-old struggling to gain a regular senior game while under Matthew Knights.
Manager Nigel Carmody, of Elite Sports Properties, said Essendon’s new coach’s opinion of his client could determine whether Houli remained at Windy Hill.
“There’s still a bit more to be worked through ... from a list management perspective,” Carmody said.
“A few things need to fall into place in terms of the clubs’ position and also Bachar’s own wishes.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/102996/default.aspx
Jetta and Stanton are the other two who could leave (for the Suns) if they don't stay at Windy Hill.
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gee , imagine Stanton at Punt Rd.
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gee , imagine Stanton at Punt Rd.
Nooo
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why not, he is a gun.
has averaged 21 disposals a game over his career.
Compared to say a Daniel Jackson who has 16
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why not, he is a gun.
has averaged 21 disposals a game over his career.
Compared to say a Daniel Jackson who has 16
He could get to play his role properly with us. We have got inside mids, he could be the outside runner.
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why not, he is a gun.
has averaged 21 disposals a game over his career.
Compared to say a Daniel Jackson who has 16
now your talking.
Stanton is a gun, has proved it over many years. Would have him in a heartbeat
Perfect age too.
Tambling for Stanton.
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why not, he is a gun.
has averaged 21 disposals a game over his career.
Compared to say a Daniel Jackson who has 16
He could get to play his role properly with us. We have got inside mids, he could be the outside runner.
Correct, now your talking !!
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Stanton is a gun???
I've heard it all now.
Essendon have the worst midfield in the business and he is a huge reason for that!!!
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Stanton cant kick and no good defensively.
Makes Jobe Watson look silky
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Stanton is a gun???
I've heard it all now.
maybe wrong choice of words but i rate him highly.
He had a poor year but so did Ryder so does that mean his no good. Ulike Houli who cant get a game in a bottom team Stanton can play!!
Stanton would be the perfect replacement for Tambling. Direct swap id take that any day of the week.
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why don't we just throw a sh@t load of money at Swan or Hodge ;D ..
But on a propper not .. at the end of next year we could throw mone yat Gun suns players t ocome play for us ? were more aplealing than the suns surely :rollin
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maybe wrong choice of words but i rate him highly.
Sorry but I don't and nor do the Bombers otherwise he'd have a contract by now.
If we want an outside type lets at least target one who doesn't just rack up stats but can actually use the football to advantage.
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Stanton is a gun???
I've heard it all now.
Essendon have the worst midfield in the business and he is a huge reason for that!!!
Played midfield and had 36 possesions against the saints in there win at Etihad later in the year.
Most Richmond players would dream about doing that against the saints
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why not, he is a gun.
has averaged 21 disposals a game over his career.
Compared to say a Daniel Jackson who has 16
Dont know about him eing a "gun"
But I do rate him very highly, shows great leadership qualities and is great in the clinches
WOuld be more than happy to have Stanton at Punt Road :thumbsup
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How old is he, remember anyone over 24 is not part of our plan moving forward. :lol
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Played midfield and had 36 possesions against the saints in there win at Etihad later in the year.
Most Richmond players would dream about doing that against the saints
Big deal. Had 11 touches in the earlier game against them but let's ignore that. :rollin
Only had 16 against us.
Don't rate him no matter what his stats say.
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Played midfield and had 36 possesions against the saints in there win at Etihad later in the year.
Most Richmond players would dream about doing that against the saints
Big deal. Had 11 touches in the earlier game against them but let's ignore that. :rollin
Only had 16 against us.
Don't rate him no matter what his stats say.
Played injured, only played half the game, just checked the tape
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I like Stanton a lot. He backs himself and has plenty of pace. Sure he had an inconsistent year but he does have unquestionable talent. Hardwick is just the coach to get him back on track. A big yes for me especially if all it costs us is Tambling
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Stanton runs and runs and runs. I want him at Punt Road.
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Ummm, so how old is he???
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Ummm, so how old is he???
25 next year :birthday
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Stanton can play he'd get a game in our best 22.
If we got him in a deal that we won out of you'd have to take it.
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I'd rather stanton over sherman/Houli/Grigg that's fo sho!
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just saw a pic of Houli ... big bloke ... still would prefer strato :thumbsup <--- he will probs stay at teh dons just wants a bit of lime light liek Mundy ect. :outtahere
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Ummm, so how old is he???
25 next year :birthday
Well ok then, Stanton and Sherman, nice!!!
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Grigg....
Whoooooooooooooooooooo????
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Grigg....
Whoooooooooooooooooooo????
mmm ... i thought we would get a good player cause we would be more attractive for good players looking for a fresh start :eyebrow
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Stanton is a good player, not a gun
Average kick and not much accountability in his game
Big pass for me, especially for what he'd cost
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Agree with Infamy!
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Stanton is a good player, not a gun
Average kick and not much accountability in his game
Big pass for me, especially for what he'd cost
A voice of reason.
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Stanton is a good player, not a gun
Average kick and not much accountability in his game
Big pass for me, especially for what he'd cost
Was introduced to his sister @ our local (Ovens & Murray) g.f on the weekend & i asked what was happening with him & she had no idea if he was staying at the Bombers
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Richmond is very confident it can secure Bachar Houli, but Essendon wants to keep him.
It feels the Tigers are being presumptious talking in-principle agreements.
It believes its coaching appointment - expected now to be next week - will make Houli change his mind.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-a-win-win-for-gary-ablett/story-fn69a32t-1225926728409
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Richmond is very confident it can secure Bachar Houli, but Essendon wants to keep him.
It feels the Tigers are being presumptious talking in-principle agreements.
It believes its coaching appointment - expected now to be next week - will make Houli change his mind.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-a-win-win-for-gary-ablett/story-fn69a32t-1225926728409
Is it true that Bomber Thompson wasn't at the brownlow?
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Richmond is very confident it can secure Bachar Houli, but Essendon wants to keep him.
It feels the Tigers are being presumptious talking in-principle agreements.
It believes its coaching appointment - expected now to be next week - will make Houli change his mind.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-a-win-win-for-gary-ablett/story-fn69a32t-1225926728409
WHY WANT HIM IF HE CANT EVEN GET A GAME AT THE DONS? ... first mistake Hardwick will make is signing this guy... ( Houli + Richmond = SHORT CUT) :help
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Richmond is very confident it can secure Bachar Houli, but Essendon wants to keep him.
It feels the Tigers are being presumptious talking in-principle agreements.
It believes its coaching appointment - expected now to be next week - will make Houli change his mind.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-a-win-win-for-gary-ablett/story-fn69a32t-1225926728409
WHY WANT HIM IF HE CANT EVEN GET A GAME AT THE DONS? ... first mistake Hardwick will make is signing this guy... ( Houli + Richmond = SHORT CUT) :help
Why don't we just wait and see what happens before condemming the coach.
Have a little faith.
:thumbsup
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Richmond is very confident it can secure Bachar Houli, but Essendon wants to keep him.
It feels the Tigers are being presumptious talking in-principle agreements.
It believes its coaching appointment - expected now to be next week - will make Houli change his mind.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-a-win-win-for-gary-ablett/story-fn69a32t-1225926728409
WHY WANT HIM IF HE CANT EVEN GET A GAME AT THE DONS? ... first mistake Hardwick will make is signing this guy... ( Houli + Richmond = SHORT CUT) :help
Why are essendon so keen to keep him, if he cant even get a game with them?
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Getting a kid who's still only 22 is not exactly a short cut
Saying he can't get a game for Essendon so you don't want him is a pretty narrow minded and short sighted view
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Richmond is very confident it can secure Bachar Houli, but Essendon wants to keep him.
It feels the Tigers are being presumptious talking in-principle agreements.
It believes its coaching appointment - expected now to be next week - will make Houli change his mind.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-a-win-win-for-gary-ablett/story-fn69a32t-1225926728409
WHY WANT HIM IF HE CANT EVEN GET A GAME AT THE DONS? ... first mistake Hardwick will make is signing this guy... ( Houli + Richmond = SHORT CUT) :help
Why don't we just wait and see what happens before condemming the coach.
Have a little faith.
:thumbsup
The buggers had a year now, surely we are entitled to presume and assume and guess and go off on BF rumours.
SURELY
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Its never stopped us before, Chuck! ;D
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Richmond is very confident it can secure Bachar Houli, but Essendon wants to keep him.
It feels the Tigers are being presumptious talking in-principle agreements.
It believes its coaching appointment - expected now to be next week - will make Houli change his mind.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-a-win-win-for-gary-ablett/story-fn69a32t-1225926728409
WHY WANT HIM IF HE CANT EVEN GET A GAME AT THE DONS? ... first mistake Hardwick will make is signing this guy... ( Houli + Richmond = SHORT CUT) :help
Why are essendon so keen to keep him, if he cant even get a game with them?
Probably an act to try and trick us into trading more for him
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Richmond is very confident it can secure Bachar Houli, but Essendon wants to keep him.
It feels the Tigers are being presumptious talking in-principle agreements.
It believes its coaching appointment - expected now to be next week - will make Houli change his mind.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-a-win-win-for-gary-ablett/story-fn69a32t-1225926728409
WHY WANT HIM IF HE CANT EVEN GET A GAME AT THE DONS? ... first mistake Hardwick will make is signing this guy... ( Houli + Richmond = SHORT CUT) :help
Why are essendon so keen to keep him, if he cant even get a game with them?
Probably an act to try and trick us into trading more for him
Or teh baby effect hwn some one wants somthing you have bearly used u all of a sudden want it back :thumbsup
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Any chance we could get spellchecker on this forum?
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Any chance we could get spellchecker on this forum?
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lol :lol
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Any chance we could get spellchecker on this forum?
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Its not my spelling it my typing .. sorry :rollin
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Any chance we could get spellchecker on this forum?
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Its not my spelling it my typing .. sorry :rollin
Have you got Homer hands ?
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Please mash the keypad after the tone.
Sorry ttid, only a joke. :thumbsup
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to gain a player from a team that has a crap Mid feild ... and this player cant even get into that ? what makes him good enough to play with martin cotchin ect ect ???
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Have you got Homer hands ?
:lol
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to gain a player from a team that has a crap Mid feild ... and this player cant even get into that ? what makes him good enough to play with martin cotchin ect ect ???
ummm didnt the crap midfield team beat our team...i think it also beat the sainters twice, carlton, hawthorn and the bulldogs - 5 wins over teams in the eight..cant be that crap of a midfield
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to gain a player from a team that has a crap Mid feild ... and this player cant even get into that ? what makes him good enough to play with martin cotchin ect ect ???
ummm didnt the crap midfield team beat our team...i think it also beat the sainters twice, carlton, hawthorn and the bulldogs - 5 wins over teams in the eight..cant be that crap of a midfield
Same midfield lost to West Coast and gave up 20 goals. 12 goals to one player and we flogged them by 8 with Jack kicking 10.
Also lost to Brisbane Adelaide Port teams we beat comfortably.
To me it seems like a crap midfield.
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A swap for Polo or possibly pick him up in the PS draft - not worth one of our first 4 picks
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Richmond ---> Give Up ...
Houli ---> Pre Season Draft Pick No.1
Pick 50-70+ ---> Polo (Sydney)
Pick 15 ---> McGuane (Gold Coast)
Pick 4 ---> Pick 6 + Rance (West Coast)
Sherman ---> Pre Season Pick No.2
Gone:
Polak, Cousins, Simmonds, McMahon, Hislop, Thomson
:gotigers
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Pick 4 ---> Pick 6 + Rance (West Coast)
I'd want another late pick for that, giving up a young player for 2 spots in the draft is a bit much
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Pick 4 ---> Pick 6 + Rance (West Coast)
I'd want another late pick for that, giving up a young player for 2 spots in the draft is a bit much
agree
Rance is worth more than player #4 vs player #6
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Anyone like Brown from Collingwood? Brown may quit the pies if he doesnt play on Saturday. You could go with Brown Astbury and Grimes as the key pillars of the defence and get rid of Thursfield, McGuane and Rance all in one go.
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Pick 4 ---> Pick 6 + Rance (West Coast)
I'd want another late pick for that, giving up a young player for 2 spots in the draft is a bit much
Agreed.
The trade mentioned in another thread makes sense.
Rance + 6 for Brown + 4.
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Bachar Houli, who has been linked to Richmond after another season in and out of the team - in his fourth season Houli played just five games, for a total of 26 - may also not be lost to the Bombers, with Hird's possible appointment likely to be a major factor in his decision.
Hird had a huge influence on Houli during his final season, in 2007, and spoke favourably of the 22-year-old during an On The Couch episode this year.
Houli's manager, Nigel Carmody, said Houli wanted to know where he and the club sat before the start of the trade period in a week and a half.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-eyes-coaching-dream-team-for-bombers-20100923-15owm.html
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This is turning into a circus...about a fringe player no less ::)
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Maybe rookie spot - defs not for Tambling (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-forum/stop.gif)
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This is turning into a circus...about a fringe player no less ::)
Yep :help
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wont happen.
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the buffoon on BigFooty has started most of this nonsense I reckon anyway for the first time in a long time I hope we have a quiet trade week in terms of bringing players in although Im hoping a few will get traded out.
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Unless its mentions Houli's name onf RFC.com i will belive it :thumbsup
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Please , can we straight swap OER Infamy for Colligwood Joffa ::)
One imbecile for another
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I bet you got a blow up joffa on your bed Jack, for them lonely nights
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I bet you got a blow up joffa on your bed Jack, for them lonely nights
Another classy post.
I worry about this forum sometimes.
:(
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yeah behave yourself guys, or 1965 will spoof in your coco-pops. :shh
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yeah behave yourself guys, or 1965 will ssissy in your coco-pops. :shh
I must be getting old, I don't even understand what this means.
:yawn
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I bet you got a blow up joffa on your bed Jack, for them lonely nights
Mate, far from lonely me.
:)
Anyway, am off to the G, via the Hyatt
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hehe. I think the word was censored. Either that, or I made a horrendous spelling mistake.
use your imagination, 1965.
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I bet you got a blow up joffa on your bed Jack, for them lonely nights
Another classy post.
I worry about this forum sometimes.
:(
Mate, you're just annoyed the The Gerk made you look like an absolute dumbar$e a month or so back. Get over it. :thumbsup
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I bet you got a blow up joffa on your bed Jack, for them lonely nights
Another classy post.
I worry about this forum sometimes.
:(
Mate, you're just annoyed the The Gerk made you look like an absolute dumbar$e a month or so back. Get over it. :thumbsup
I am beginning to think one poster has 3-4 aliases.
:clapping
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Just having a little fun to pass time in the off-season, 1965.
It's amusing that people on here are constantly squabbling and personally attacking each other, yet you choose to pull Owl up over some light-hearted banter.
relax a little.
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I bet you got a blow up joffa on your bed Jack, for them lonely nights
Another classy post.
I worry about this forum sometimes.
:(
Mate, you're just annoyed the The Gerk made you look like an absolute dumbar$e a month or so back. Get over it. :thumbsup
I am beginning to think one poster has 3-4 aliases.
:clapping
Well thinking musn't be your strong point. I just post only as Owl, rest assured 1965 so tuck your conspiracy theories away. Or, if you have a genuine issue, send a PM and discuss it like an adult instead of sniping like you have been for the past few weeks.
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Houli is NOT coming to Tigerland :thumbsup
terminate this thread
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Houli is NOT coming to Tigerland :thumbsup
terminate this thread
Yeh? According to who?
GO TIGES!!!
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I bet you got a blow up joffa on your bed Jack, for them lonely nights
Another classy post.
I worry about this forum sometimes.
:(
Mate, you're just annoyed the The Gerk made you look like an absolute dumbar$e a month or so back. Get over it. :thumbsup
I am beginning to think one poster has 3-4 aliases.
:clapping
Well thinking musn't be your strong point. I just post only as Owl, rest assured 1965 so tuck your conspiracy theories away. Why don't you get a pair of tweezers and pluck that wild hair out your a-rse ? Or, if you have a genuine issue, send a PM and discuss it like an adult instead of sniping like a b itch like you have been for the past few weeks.
Send you a PM, discuss it? That might require 1965 to grow some balls. :shh
Oh, and it's good to see you again Wilbur B. Have you been at Beige lately?
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Houli is NOT coming to Tigerland :thumbsup
terminate this thread
Yeh? According to who?
GO TIGES!!!
Winderlich
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Maybe we dodged a bullet...made em think the Baclava Houli was worth something lol
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Maybe we dodged a bullet...made em think the Baclava Houli was worth something lol
well he could be a better player under a different coach & a new team. He can play football or he wouldnot be there in the first place.
Just tired of getting players off Essendon who dont produce or are damaged
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Send you a PM, discuss it? That might require 1965 to grow some balls. :shh
Oh, and it's good to see you again Wilbur B. Have you been at Beige lately?
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Nah mate, I've been away.
Very rarely go on Y&B.
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Yep, wouldn't think Houli would be coming to Richmond now.
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Yep, wouldn't think Houli would be coming to Richmond now.
yep like TM said in an earlier post
DELETE THREAD
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Sounds like Houli will stay at Essendon if Hird wants him.
Houli wants a chance from Hird
By Michael Rogers
2:46 PM Wed 29 Sep, 2010
UNCONTRACTED Essendon midfielder Bachar Houli hopes the appointment of James Hird as senior coach will give him the opportunity to prove his worth as an AFL player.
Houli struggled for senior games under former coach Matthew Knights in 2010, playing just five matches despite strong form at VFL level.
The 22-year-old has managed just 26 games in his four years at Windy Hill and he said he had become frustrated by the lack of opportunities.
"All I want as a player is an opportunity," he said in Sydney on Wednesday.
"I felt I was hard done by and I feel like I've got the support from a fair few players, if not the whole playing group, that I didn't get that opportunity that I deserved.
"It's hurt me a lot but there's a new coach now and more opportunities are going to open up. It's a new start for everyone.
"Hirdy's going to reassess the playing list in the next couple of days. I'm out of contract and whether he wants me there or not, time will tell."
Houli, whose first year at Essendon in 2007 coincided with Hird's farewell season, said he hoped to decide where his future lay by Friday after meeting with his new coach.
"I'm looking forward to seeing what [Hird] has got to say and whether he wants me and what he thinks of me as a player. It's very exciting but at the same time, very nerve-wracking," he said.
"My first preference would be to stay at Essendon because it's the type of club where you can build a friendship at, but football is like any other business at the end of the day. If it doesn't work for you at one club … there's always another opportunity somewhere else."
Despite his differences with Knights, Houli said he was surprised to hear of the former coach's sacking but he said Hird's appointment was a boon for all aspects of the club, from the playing group to sponsors and members.
"The best thing about it is that supporters and everyone around the football world are going to be very patient with James Hird because of his past, and because he's a legend of the club," Houli said.
"They're going to persist; even if he has one or two or even three bad years, they're going to persist with him.
"Obviously it's a tough ask and he's mentioned that it's a huge risk but James Hird is going to be a huge inclusion to the club from the players' perspective."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103405/default.aspx
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"They're going to persist; even if he has one or two or even three bad years, they're going to persist with him.
3 bad years and they are going to persist with him? Yeah, right Bachar, whatever you say. Suggest you go hunting in your Koran for a part that talks about reality and study hard. :wallywink
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He won't be going anywhere now, Hird has come out in support of Houli in his role as a commentator
Will be interesting to see how he turns out as a player with a coach who'll give him a decent shot at it
I reckon there may be a few muppets on here eating their words and will show that "can't get a spot in a crap team" just highlights how narrow minded a view that is
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He won't be going anywhere now, Hird has come out in support of Houli in his role as a commentator
Will be interesting to see how he turns out as a player with a coach who'll give him a decent shot at it
I reckon there may be a few muppets on here eating their words and will show that "can't get a spot in a crap team" just highlights how narrow minded a view that is
Hird will fail as a coach.
Another Tim Watson
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Hird will fail as a coach.
Another Tim Watson
He's a lot smarter than Tim. I'll take the wait and see approach.
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He won't be going anywhere now, Hird has come out in support of Houli in his role as a commentator
Will be interesting to see how he turns out as a player with a coach who'll give him a decent shot at it
I reckon there may be a few muppets on here eating their words and will show that "can't get a spot in a crap team" just highlights how narrow minded a view that is
Hird will fail as a coach.
Another Tim Watson
I don't disagree, but he'll at least give Houli some decent game time to prove himself, unlike Knights who plays him for a week or two then drops him with about 6 other players so the team can never settle.
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"They're going to persist; even if he has one or two or even three bad years, they're going to persist with him.
3 bad years and they are going to persist with him? Yeah, right Bachar, whatever you say. Suggest you go hunting in your Koran for a part that talks about reality and study hard. :wallywink
Laycock has had 8 bad years.... :rollin
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He won't be going anywhere now, Hird has come out in support of Houli in his role as a commentator
Will be interesting to see how he turns out as a player with a coach who'll give him a decent shot at it
I reckon there may be a few muppets on here eating their words and will show that "can't get a spot in a crap team" just highlights how narrow minded a view that is
Hird will fail as a coach.
Another Tim Watson
It would appear that way wouldnt it
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l reckon Hird will be a fine coach, Knights would have been a fine coach if ex Essendon players were not in the ears of thier old teammates to try get Knights out
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"They're going to persist; even if he has one or two or even three bad years, they're going to persist with him.
3 bad years and they are going to persist with him? Yeah, right Bachar, whatever you say. Suggest you go hunting in your Koran for a part that talks about reality and study hard. :wallywink
Laycock has had 8 bad years.... :rollin
Laycock has been delisted
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Laycock has been delisted
Then I'm sure we will be linked to him in the next 24 hours - we have every other player in the competition.
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Laycock has been delisted
Then I'm sure we will be linked to him in the next 24 hours - we have every other player in the competition.
Ha ! true and so have The Bulldogs
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Laycock has been delisted[/quote]
Maybe Hird really does know what he's doing :lol
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From today's Australian...
Houli is understood to be proceeding with his bid to join the Tigers despite the arrival at Windy Hill of new coach James Hird.
If a suitable trade with the Bombers cannot be arranged, Houli is a realistic chance of being secured by Richmond in the pre-season draft with no compensation to Essendon.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/rebuilding-of-richmond-enters-next-phase-under-coach-damian-hardwick/story-e6frg7mf-1225933015173
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There you go I'd I've thought he'd want to be a bomba
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Dons get tough on Bachar Houli
Jay Clark
Herald Sun
October 02, 2010
ESSENDON midfielder Bachar Houli could be forced into the draft as the club prepares to play hard ball in next week's trade negotiations.
Houli remains undecided about re-signing with the Bombers, and Richmond and Carlton are believed to be strongly interested in the promising playmaker.
But Essendon was determined to re-sign Houli, 22, and would "dig in its heels" if he requested a trade, a source said yesterday.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dons-get-tough-on-bachar-houli/story-e6frf9jf-1225933062920
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a poster on BF claiming that Houli did not attent the b&f. Also on the bummer board someone claimed that they didnt spot Houli in the footage of the fitness testing Hird put them through.
With the bummers wanting to play Hardball it is seemingly more likely that he will become a tiger via the PSD, which would probably make the houli deal the best value out of all the rumours so far.
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Fun watching the bombers suck poo for a change
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More than happy with Houli in the PSD
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Fun watching the bombers suck poo for a change
I could deal with it for 35+ more years
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against Houli via the draft but via the PSD, you would take that any day of the week unless something better pops up
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The Herald Sun also reported that Essendon was determined to hold onto midfielder Bachar Houli, 22, who has been linked with Richmond and Carlton, and would resist if he requested a trade, potentially forcing him into the NAB AFL Draft.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103655/default.aspx
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Houli via the PSD would be great. Will cost us nix. Only way I want him at the club.
Feel that Will, McGuane, Tambling and any others who we can trade for can get us some valuable picks in the draft.
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Houli won't make it to the PSD. More likely he will be taken up by a club with their later picks in the ND!
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Houli won't make it to the PSD. More likely he will be taken up by a club with their later picks in the ND!
He doesn't have to nominate for the National Draft if he doesn't want to
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Houli won't make it to the PSD. More likely he will be taken up by a club with their later picks in the ND!
He doesn't have to nominate for the National Draft if he doesn't want to
Oh well then tht changes things slightly. Would just have to hope he doesn't get taken by GC, WC and possibly GWS (if they have any picks) then which makes the chances much improved. :thumbsup
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Houli won't make it to the PSD. More likely he will be taken up by a club with their later picks in the ND!
He doesn't have to nominate for the National Draft if he doesn't want to
Oh well then tht changes things slightly. Would just have to hope he doesn't get taken by GC, WC and possibly GWS (if they have any picks) then which makes the chances much improved. :thumbsup
We'll have either Pick 2 or 3 I think
It will either be
1. GC
2. WCE
3. RIC
or
1. WCE
2. RIC
Not sure if GC get any PSD picks as they have the right to just sign uncontracted players, they don't really need a PSD selection.
The one thing that may change that completely is if the AFL give GC the first x PSD picks based on them not signing their full compliment of uncontracted players
GWS will get the first 5 rookie picks, like GC17 did last year, no PSD picks as they aren't in the AFL next year
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Jetta has re-signed with Essendon and Stanton and Myers are on the verge of re-signing as well. No mention of Houli though.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103681/default.aspx
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Good, they can have them
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midfielder Bachar Houli remains out of contract and Richmond has made a serious play for him.
It is understood the Tigers have offered Houli a contract worth $600,000 over two years.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/stanton-commits-to-bombers/story-e6frf9jf-1225934478612
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It is understood the Tigers have offered Houli a contract worth $600,000 over two years.
Looks like offering that kind of dough for a fringe player we're trying hard to get Houli to walk out on Essendon straight in the PSD for free.
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Alwyn Davey, Leroy Jetta and David Myers have also re-signed. The only Bomber out of contract now Bachar Houli. Make of that what you will.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103775/default.aspx
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$300,000 is a lot, but if we get him in the Pre-Season Draft, that would be "OK".
Stuff Essendon!
Houli would work nicely off the Half Back Line and Wing!
:gotigers
Edited for deliberating avoiding the swear filter - you've done it a fair in the last 2 days torch - unacceptable; Tone it down >:(
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Hird's return to the Bombers has not changed the intentions of uncontracted midfielder Bachar Houli, who wants to cross to Richmond.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/coaches-on-move-for-trade-week/story-e6frg7mf-1225934589037
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From the Herald-Sun....
Stylish defender Bachar Houli remains out of contract and Richmond has made a serious play for him.
A two-year deal is believed to have been offered, worth somewhere between $200,000 and $250,000 a season, depending on performance.
"He's still a required player but we do understand he has offers from other clubs," Hamilton said.
"If he really wants to leave and we can't convince him otherwise, we'll certainly start looking at seeing what we could do at the trade table."
Tigers football manager Craig Cameron said last night: "They'll have a crack at keeping him, and that's fair enough ... but he'll help us, he's an outside player who can kick it well."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/stanton-commits-to-bombers/story-e6frf9jf-1225934478612
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From the Herald-Sun....
Stylish defender Bachar Houli remains out of contract and Richmond has made a serious play for him.
A two-year deal is believed to have been offered, worth somewhere between $200,000 and $250,000 a season, depending on performance.
"He's still a required player but we do understand he has offers from other clubs," Hamilton said.
"If he really wants to leave and we can't convince him otherwise, we'll certainly start looking at seeing what we could do at the trade table."
Tigers football manager Craig Cameron said last night: "They'll have a crack at keeping him, and that's fair enough ... but he'll help us, he's an outside player who can kick it well."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/stanton-commits-to-bombers/story-e6frf9jf-1225934478612
one eye do you sleep mate? haha 3 am thats dedication :bow
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Richmond has made an offer to Essendon so it appears unlikely that he will go in the PSD.
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Richmond has made an offer to Essendon so it appears unlikely that he will go in the PSD.
any idea what the offer is?
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I hope it involves Polo
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Richmond has made an offer to Essendon so it appears unlikely that he will go in the PSD.
any idea what the offer is?
No sorry just read it in the Herald Sun under 'Department of Trades' -
Bachar Houli(Essendon)
Bombers want him but will trade. The Tigers have an offer on the table.
Camboon - would love to see a straight swap for Polo :thumbsup
Stripes
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Barrett just said Houli is resisting all attempts by Essendon to keep him and is pushing ahead to come to Richmond. No mention of how though.
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Barrett just added that Houli is very close to being a Tiger. No details once again though.
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Richmond has made an offer to Essendon so it appears unlikely that he will go in the PSD.
any idea what the offer is?
No sorry just read it in the Herald Sun under 'Department of Trades' -
Bachar Houli(Essendon)
Bombers want him but will trade. The Tigers have an offer on the table.
Camboon - would love to see a straight swap for Polo :thumbsup
Stripes
Let's hope it isn't for any decent pick :-\.
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According to Emma Quayle:
"Essendon and Richmond still at a standstill over Bachar Houli. Could be headed for the preseason draft."
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You've got to love deluded Bomber supporters :stupid
Essendon : In: Djerrkura, pick 56/ Out : Houli pick 46
Geelong : In pick 28/ Out: Djerrkurra and Pick 56
Richmond: In: Houli, pick 46 /Out Pick 28
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=58784&st=285
As if we'd be that stupid to give up a 2nd round pick for Houli ::) :rollin
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THey reckon we are going to pay for their candy? For Djerrkurra? How bout this ?
RIchmond : In Djerrkura for pick 28 / Houli free in PSD
Geelong : In Pick 28 for Djerrkura
Essendon :In nothing
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THey reckon we are going to pay for their candy? For Djerrkurra? How bout this ?
RIchmond : In Djerrkura for pick 28 / Houli free in PSD
Geelong : In Pick 28 for Djerrkura
Essendon :In nothing
Djekurra could go for a real late pick in my opinion ... probably in the 60s
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Emma Quayle saying Essendon want a pick in the 20s for Houli (ie. a 2nd round pick)
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Emma Quayle saying Essendon want a pick in the 20s for Houli
:lol :rollin :scream :lol :rollin :scream :lol :rollin :scream :lol :rollin :scream
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Emma Quayle saying Essendon want a pick in the 20s for Houli
:lol :rollin :scream :lol :rollin :scream :lol :rollin :scream :lol :rollin :scream
No wonder it's all at a standstill. What a deluded football club Essendon are :rollin.
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THey reckon we are going to pay for their candy? For Djerrkurra? How bout this ?
RIchmond : In Djerrkura for pick 28 / Houli free in PSD
Geelong : In Pick 28 for Djerrkura
Essendon :In nothing
Djekurra could go for a real late pick in my opinion ... probably in the 60s
the worst thing we can do is go for hacks like Djekurra and Houli and undo all the good work we have done so far.
Upgrade our 3rd rounder for a top 30 pick and we are done and dusted in the draft. Houli or Grigg in the PSD Bang!!
We dont need more list cloggers after we have just got rid of one.
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Lets just hope richmond dont give in now we have a couple more picks.
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yep, I think we hold all the cards on this one. Essendon are just trying it on. We should offer them a bowl of weetbix for Houli. If they decline, we'll pick him up in the PSD and have breakfast ready for him upon arrival.
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THey reckon we are going to pay for their candy? For Djerrkurra? How bout this ?
RIchmond : In Djerrkura for pick 28 / Houli free in PSD
Geelong : In Pick 28 for Djerrkura
Essendon :In nothing
Djekurra could go for a real late pick in my opinion ... probably in the 60s
the worst thing we can do is go for hacks like Djekurra and Houli and undo all the good work we have done so far.
Upgrade our 3rd rounder for a top 30 pick and we are done and dusted in the draft. Houli or Grigg in the PSD Bang!!
We dont need more list cloggers after we have just got rid of one.
Definitely pass on Djerrkura. If you couldn't play being fed by that Geelong midfield you never will.
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Lets just hope richmond dont give in now we have a couple more picks.
pick 50 for houli or grigg and psd for the other nothing morethan that!!!, anything more andwe are undoing our good fortune from the tambling trade. If either carl or ess dont give in, keep the pick, walk away, take one of grigg/houli in the psd and take a kid with pick 50
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Lets just hope richmond dont give in now we have a couple more picks.
pick 50 for houli or grigg and psd for the other nothing morethan that!!!, anything more andwe are undoing our good fortune from the tambling trade. If either carl or ess dont give in, keep the pick, walk away, take one of grigg/houli in the psd and take a kid with pick 50
Absolutely spot on. Although I would keep the pick 50 for the draft and get one in the PSD and walk away.
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Offer up pick 62 / 63 / whatever our 4th rounder is.
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Essendon wants a pick in the 20s for midfielder Bachar Houli and is waiting to hear from Richmond, which may be able to get him through to the preseason draft.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fraser-could-be-headed-to-suns-20101006-167sv.html
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Essendon wants a pick in the 20s for midfielder Bachar Houli and is waiting to hear from Richmond, which may be able to get him through to the preseason draft.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fraser-could-be-headed-to-suns-20101006-167sv.html
Yeas of course they do.... :lol :lol :lol and another 20kg of smack. Fair dinkum, give them what Danog said or get him through the PSD.
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yep, I think we hold all the cards on this one. Essendon are just trying it on. We should offer them a bowl of weetbix for Houli. If they decline, we'll pick him up in the PSD and have breakfast ready for him upon arrival.
:lol
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pick in the 20's wtf are they smoking? they be lucky to get a solid right cross to the chops for him.
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Houli spotted having lunch with Hird... may be a chance he stays at the dons?
http://twitter.com/AFLNewsInsider
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Bombers playing hardball with Tigers over Houli.
Bombers and Tigers at stand still over Houli.
http://twitter.com/AFLNewz
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walk away richmond...
dont payh over the odds for these houli / grigg twats
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Bombers playing hardball with Tigers over Houli.
Bombers and Tigers at stand still over Houli.
http://twitter.com/AFLNewz
Lay down an offer and dont touch it Richmond.. and watch Houli come to us in teh PSD ;D
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I'll trust Danog's info about us not trading away a 2nd round pick. Essendon are a joke demanding a pick around the #30 mark for a 4-year fringe player they originally got for a 3rd round pick #42. Ironically that same pick 42 belonged to us before we gave it away as part of the Polak trade.
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I'll trust Danog's info about us not trading away a 2nd round pick. Essendon are a joke demanding a pick around the #30 mark for a 4-year fringe player they originally got for a 3rd round pick #42. Ironically that same pick 42 belonged to us before we gave it away as part of the Polak trade.
Give them nothing!
Deserve nothing!
:banghead
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A trade between Essendon and Richmond involving out-of-contract Bombers midfielder Bachar Houli crossing to the Tigers remained at a stalemate last night, raising the possibility of Houli walking through to the pre-season draft with Essendon receiving nothing in compensation.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/josh-fraser-joins-jared-brennan-at-gold-coast-suns/story-e6frg7mf-1225935678533
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A trade between Essendon and Richmond involving out-of-contract Bombers midfielder Bachar Houli crossing to the Tigers remained at a stalemate last night, raising the possibility of Houli walking through to the pre-season draft with Essendon receiving nothing in compensation.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/josh-fraser-joins-jared-brennan-at-gold-coast-suns/story-e6frg7mf-1225935678533
FANTASTIC!
:thumbsup
:pray
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Suck on that Sir James
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Suck on that Sir James
Second that!
:thumbsup
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Suck on that Sir James
Second that!
:thumbsup
Third it, Hird has gone in trying to be some tough nut and it will backfire, gee you would think Hird would be trying to learn something during his first trade week and not be a hero....good luck next year Jimmy.. :thumbsup
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Third it, Hird has gone in trying to be some tough nut and it will backfire, gee you would think Hird would be trying to learn something during his first trade week and not be a hero....good luck next year Jimmy.. :thumbsup
Either that or he really still wants Houli and is buying time to try and talk him around. And the failure to agree on terms wouldn't be Hird's doing anyway - it would be their List Manager.
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Trade radio just reported Houli has walked and will go PSD to get to Richmond if he needs to :lol :clapping
They're giving a massive wrap to Blair Hartley
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james hird can s m d tracey!!!!!
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Houli walks out on Dons, demands Tigers trade
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103899/default.aspx
from that article it seems like his more than happy to walk out of the bombers and straight to us for nothing :thumbsup
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Houli walks out on Dons, demands Tigers trade
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103899/default.aspx
from that article it seems like his more than happy to walk out of the bombers and straight to us for nothing :thumbsup
Yeah Great article especially this
Lloyd said Houli could play 100 AFL games despite deficiencies that included difficulty hitting short targets and consistency in contested ball situations.
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Lloyd is blaming Knighter
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103911/default.aspx
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Lloyd is blaming Knighter
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103911/default.aspx
:lol I'm loving what is happening at the Bumbers!! I hope Lloydy gets onto the Essendon coaching panel.
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LOL Love the division, backstabbing and internal drama. Brings a whole new meaning to the term "Home and Away" Season for the Bombers.
I wonder how long it will be before Hirdy gets a visit from the Summer Bay Stalker like Knighter did.
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If North can get McKinley for pick 86 (5th rounder) then that's what Houli is worth.
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reckon he is a great get for pick 86
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reckon he is a great get for pick 86
yep north have had hypnotists in their trade room
first round pick for david hale... pffft
pick 86 for ben mcinley.... may aswell be a packet of golf balls.
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BACHAR Houli told Essendon he wanted to play for Richmond.
The Tigers have offered a third or fourth-round selection for Houli, but it's believed the Bombers will let him walk for nothing unless they get a player or high draft pick.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/cats-left-in-lurch-after-gary-abletts-late-decision-to-leave-the-club/story-e6frecnc-1225936197912
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reckon he is a great get for pick 86
Could be a top trade for North Melbourne!
West Coast must go for Jack Darling now?
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Richmond is also hopeful of striking a deal with Essendon for midfielder Bachar Houli, who yesterday quit the Bombers to head to Punt Road. The Tigers have offered their third-round selection for Houli, with Essendon insisting on a second-round pick.
Age link (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-show-interest-in-tigers-collins-20101008-16c4o.html)
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3rd rounder? What the hell? 4th at the most
Should be offering nothing
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Richmond FC are behaving like we're a charity...its a joke if any of this stuff is true!
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Looking more & more likely that Richmond will get Houli in the PSD.
http://twitter.com/#!/AFLNewsInsider
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But if that is true we lose our dramatic licence
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But if that is true we lose our dramatic licence
yes that would be a shame ;D
what would happen to the forums :lol
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As richmond fans we need the drama to get by i say give em our compensation pick and let the furore begin.
But in all seriousness we have traded with Carlton over Grigg let Houli walk and take his chances in the PSD and pick him up there if we really want him. Keep as many picks as possible i think.
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I now expect a trade to be done for houli. I think the club may have someone else in mind for pick 2 in the PSD
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I now expect a trade to be done for houli. I think the club may have someone else in mind for pick 2 in the PSD
I think so too al, and depending on who it is will determine what we are willing to give up to make sure we keep our psd pick.
just dont give essendon the Bock pick or our 2nd rounder!
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Disgruntled Bomber Bachar Houli is almost over the line after meetings with Richmond coach Damien Hardwick and list manager Blair Hartley.
"He showed some real enthusiasm," Cameron said.
"I think we're close. They want a second round (pick), we're offering a third round, but they may be looking at doing some other things.
"We're hoping a deal (gets done)."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-tarrant-in-limbo/story-fn69a32t-1225936468808
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Bachar's boycott
By Robert Craddock
Sunday Herald-Sun
10 OCT 2010, Page 74
IT wasn't until Friday morning that the footy world came to realise the problems between Bachar Houli and Essendon were irreparable, when Houli's manager Dan Richardson said under no circumstances would his client return to Windy Hill.
But Houli's former teammates became aware of that situation the previous Friday.
On that night, Houli snubbed the Bombers' best-and-fairest awards function at the Melbourne Convention and Exhibition Centre.
Houli declined attending even after new coach James Hird had revealed he was a required player, a statement he reiterated on the first day of the AFL trade period on Tuesday.
The no-show angered many at the Bombers.
On Friday, on Trade Week Radio, Richardson said Houli would head to the national draft if he was unsuccessful in getting to Richmond via a trade.
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National Draft?
Has he been told the PSD pick will not be used on him?
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National Draft?
Has he been told the PSD pick will not be used on him?
who would u rather houli or that Giles fellow ?
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If we have offered a 3rd rounder for him but bombers want 2nd.
He can nominate for the National draft and he might get through to our 3rd or possibly 4th round pick.
This will keep the PSD pick available. :)
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National Draft?
Has he been told the PSD pick will not be used on him?
Might just be his manager trying to force Essendon into some action.
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National Draft?
Has he been told the PSD pick will not be used on him?
who would u rather houli or that Giles fellow ?
Dont know enough either to make that call. I believe though that the club wants both (or houli and someoene else).
National Draft?
Has he been told the PSD pick will not be used on him?
Might just be his manager trying to force Essendon into some action.
Could be smokey, but i'm getting a feeling that RFC dont want to use their PSD pick on houli or grigg.
Either the national draft or the pre season will both see the bummers get FA, so from that point of view it makes no difference which one he goes into.
Given that we have second pick in the PSD, like most people I would have thought that would be houli's path if a trade is not reached, considering he wants to come to tigerland and we want him.
To me this further indicates that the club has this all planned out and the cries that we caved in on the grigg deal are so far of the mark, as part of that plan is pick someone besides those currentlty getting all the attention with our first PSD pick.
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Hope he can play because he sounds like trouble. Not a good sign that he refuses to show up at the b&f.
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Hope he can play because he sounds like trouble. Not a good sign that he refuses to show up at the b&f.
so what he stayed away, he had no business in going to their b and f when all yr he was never made feel part of the team
and y would he go when he wants to be a tiger
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X is right on this. Houli not turning up has nothing to do with his character. All I ever heard was that Houli is a pretty decent kid.
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The line being pushed by Essendon is that a 3rd round pick (pick 50?) is worth nothing to them as they are only going to use 3 picks in this draft with Hird wanting to have a look at their current list next year under his coaching.
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First sign for me that the great man James is delusional!! They have a much worse list than ours...IMO :lol
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The line being pushed by Essendon is that a 3rd round pick (pick 50?) is worth nothing to them as they are only going to use 3 picks in this draft with Hird wanting to have a look at their current list next year under his coaching.
Gee that's really nice James ... Is that supposed to mean something to us?
Oh I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Here have a really good pick for your VFL player. I'd hate to pay you what he is worth and then you not to get any benefit.
:wallywink
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The line being pushed by Essendon is that a 3rd round pick (pick 50?) is worth nothing to them as they are only going to use 3 picks in this draft with Hird wanting to have a look at their current list next year under his coaching.
Very silly of them considering how strong the Top 50 in this draft is meant to be
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Hope he can play because he sounds like trouble. Not a good sign that he refuses to show up at the b&f.
so what he stayed away, he had no business in going to their b and f when all yr he was never made feel part of the team
and y would he go when he wants to be a tiger
Jordan McMahon turned up to our B&F and say what you like about his on field abilities - it took character and respect for the club to show up on the night after the year he has had.
It should not matter what kind of year any player has at the club, the B&F is an official club function and it is basic respect for the club - after all what do they say about club and the individual.
You may not think basic respect and courtesy are important values to a football club but I do and Bachar showed a lack of both to not turn up to an official club function while under contract.
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The argument from Essendon fans is they are only going to use 3 draft picks so something that late from us is worthless. Would have thought it is better than losing Houli for nothing as it could at least be used in another trade. And if Essendon are only using that many picks, they are more deluded about the state of their list than I thought.
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Hope he can play because he sounds like trouble. Not a good sign that he refuses to show up at the b&f.
so what he stayed away, he had no business in going to their b and f when all yr he was never made feel part of the team
and y would he go when he wants to be a tiger
Jordan McMahon turned up to our B&F and say what you like about his on field abilities - it took character and respect for the club to show up on the night after the year he has had.
It should not matter what kind of year any player has at the club, the B&F is an official club function and it is basic respect for the club - after all what do they say about club and the individual.
You may not think basic respect and courtesy are important values to a football club but I do and Bachar showed a lack of both to not turn up to an official club function while under contract.
totally diff situation
btw sanchez owes rfc. he got pad handsomely for being a useless twitt
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Stiff poo imo
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hey hird u sucker
take our rnd 3 pick offer or we get houli for nothing in the psd u twitt
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First sign for me that the great man James is delusional!! They have a much worse list than ours...IMO :lol
Hird just seen lowering his barbed wire canoe into poo creek... now where is that paddle?? :lol
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hey hird u c sucker
take our rnd 3 pick offer or we get houli for nothing in the psd u twitt
;D :clapping
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My only slight worry with this scenerio is what West Coast will do in the PSD? My guess is nothing and let him go to use but still.... :-\
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Look, Bachar Houli isn't exactly setting the world on fire with interest from other clubs, this rubbish about a bigger pick is a beatup from Essendon, they are lucky to get what we offer. If he was such hot property they would be organising a better trade with another club as we speak, fact is, there is no interest. We were targeted as a low finishing club with better picks imo. I smell some duplicity in the whole thing. Same with the whole Grigg thing. Yeah they all want to be Tigers...
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Look, Bachar Houli isn't exactly setting the world on fire with interest from other clubs, this rubbish about a bigger pick is a beatup from Essendon, they are lucky to get what we offer. If he was such hot property they would be organising a better trade with another club as we speak, fact is, there is no interest. We were targeted as a low finishing club with better picks imo. I smell some duplicity in the whole thing. Same with the whole Grigg thing. Yeah they all want to be Tigers...
Top post and spot on.
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the afl should arbitrate, r3 selection for a fella that's played <20 games in 3 years is right on, anything less is prejudicial to player movement
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Laughable isn't it. Sheesh Essendon want the same compo from us (for a fringe player that cost them only pick 42) that the AFL gave to the Bulldogs for Harbrow, Hawthorn for Brown (Premiership player) and Brisbane for Rischitelli (2010 B&F). I can't believe the Club is tolerating this as a genuine negotation. We're hardly going to miss Houli if any deal isn't done. There are plenty of his types in the draft every year. Giving up a 3rd round pick is way too much when you see North gain McKinley for just pick 86 whose done as much as Houli has. Richmond just doesn't know how to walk away from a dud deal for a dime a dozen player :scream.
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Laughable isn't it. Sheesh Essendon want the same compo from us (for a fringe player that cost them only pick 42) that the AFL gave to the Bulldogs for Harbrow, Hawthorn for Brown (Premiership player) and Brisbane for Rischitelli (2010 B&F). I can't believe the Club is tolerating this as a genuine negotation. We're hardly going to miss Houli if any deal isn't done. There are plenty of his types in the draft every year. Giving up a 3rd round pick is way too much when you see North gain McKinley for just pick 86 whose done as much as Houli has. Richmond just doesn't know how to walk away from a dud deal for a dime a dozen player :scream.
Cameron is gunna live or die from these decisions .. grigg is a Tiger now but gunna be under the pump from us supporters whoever likes it or not.
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Cameron is gunna live or die from these decisions .. grigg is a Tiger now but gunna be under the pump from us supporters whoever likes it or not.
Already under the pump I would say after Thomson for pick 42 and Hislop. Caving in and giving up a decent pick for Houli would be icing on the cake :help.
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Laughable isn't it. Sheesh Essendon want the same compo from us (for a fringe player that cost them only pick 42) that the AFL gave to the Bulldogs for Harbrow...
B, B, But the Bumbers are only going to use 3 picks and pick 50 won't be used...
How about we tell Freo that we only want to use picks in the 30's so give us your first rounder for Will Thursfield.
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B, B, But the Bumbers are only going to use 3 picks and pick 50 won't be used...
How about we tell Freo that we only want to use picks in the 30's so give us your first rounder for Will Thursfield.
LOL
We should tell the Bombers then okay the 3rd round pick is off the table and you can have a player instead then - Jordie, Thomson or Polo - take your pick or get nothing. Geez they can have Hislop back for all I care lol.
Our third round pick is before theirs in any case so this "it's worthless" excuse is rubbish. In any case any club that keeps the likes of Reimers on their list and gives them a new multi-year contract can't be taken seriously when crying about wanting something worthy for their playing list.
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Dons supporters are as deluded as their Club :rollin :stupid
Bombers fan: "If we're (Essendon) to lose Houli to Richmond I want it to be for Deledio and a pick from us to sweeten the deal. Can you please talk to Essendon about trading Houli and our first pick for Deledio. Please!!! "
Emma Quayle: not gonna happen
http://twitter.com/emmasq
Well said Emma :thumbsup
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Dons supporters are as deluded as their Club :rollin :stupid
Bombers fan: "If we're (Essendon) to lose Houli to Richmond I want it to be for Deledio and a pick from us to sweeten the deal. Can you please talk to Essendon about trading Houli and our first pick for Deledio. Please!!! "
Emma Quayle: not gonna happen
http://twitter.com/emmasq
Well said Emma :thumbsup
"Can you please talk to essendon about trading houli and our first pick for Deledio. Please!!!"
:lol
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Houli Richmond deal hits trouble
Emma Quayle
October 11, 2010
DISGRUNTLED Essendon player Bachar Houli is unlikely to find a new home at Richmond in the final hours of the trade period today, with Richmond and Essendon at loggerheads over a deal for the midfielder.
While Richmond has offered up its third round selection (currently No.46) for Houli, the Bombers are insisting on a second round choice (currently No.29) for the fourth-year player, who walked out on the club last week to join the Tigers.
Essendon plans to use only three picks in the national draft, saving one for the pre-season draft, and has told the Tigers that their third round pick would be of no use to them.
The Bombers would prefer to let Houli walk - hopefully to the pre-season draft - arguing that if that happens, at least the Tigers will not enter the draft with a live selection ahead of them.
Essendon is fourth in the pre-season draft order behind Gold Coast, West Coast (which will probably not participate) and the Tigers, and will have more control over who they select if Richmond is committed to taking Houli.
Speculation the Bombers were interested in Sturt ruckman Jonathan Giles - who they could potentially have on-traded the Richmond pick to the Gold Coast for - was dismissed by the club last night.
Richmond's position is that it is offering its third live selection in the national draft for Houli, who played only a handful of games this year, with the Tigers planning to bank the Gold Coast compensation pick they received from Adelaide as part of the Richard Tambling deal early last week and use it in a future draft.
If the Bombers don't accept pick 46 - and use 47 as their final choice in the national draft - Richmond would still have a live pick one ahead of them in the national draft.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/houli-richmond-deal-hits-trouble-20101010-16e0v.html
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Yet Robbo in the Herald-Sun says....
Richmond looks certain to complete a deal for Essendon's Bachar Houli, via a trade or the pre-season draft.
Link. (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-tarrants-deal-down-to-the-wire/story-fn69a32t-1225936855626)
Not sure Robbo how you complete a deal via the PSD ???
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After seeing the Tiges cave with Collins, they'll probably ask for a round one selection today :help
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After seeing the Tiges cave with Collins, they'll probably ask for a round one selection today :help
well they did want cotchin for houli and a 2nd rounder lol. hird and co. down at essendon are desperate. looks like they know they have a very very long road infront of them. id be thinking .... at least 20 years ;D
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After seeing the Tiges cave with Collins, they'll probably ask for a round one selection today :help
who said we caved in with collins
we gave away a fringe player, a very inconsistent player, a weak bodied player
for
a hard better skilled and better player!!!!!!!
so how did we cave in if we improved our list
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bullsh!t. Collins tackle stats are actually better than Griggs. Being lean doesn't make you 'weak bodied' by any stretch. Tuck is a lean build and he is strong as stuff. Collins is tough as crap he copped an almighty flogging this year and still got up and kicked goals if you recall. He might not look like your oiled Arnie wank posters but he is a good footballer who was coming along very nicely thanks. I for one feel we gave up a skilled player who was coming along very nicely.
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bullsh!t. Collins tackle stats are actually better than Griggs. Being lean doesn't make you 'weak bodied' by any stretch. Tuck is a lean build and he is strong as eff. Collins is tough as crap he copped an almighty flogging this year and still got up and kicked goals if you recall. He might not look like your oiled Arnie wank posters but he is a good footballer who was coming along very nicely thanks. I for one feel we gave up a skilled player who was coming along very nicely.
tuck
cm 189
kg 90
collins
cm 186
kg 78
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bullsh!t. Collins tackle stats are actually better than Griggs. Being lean doesn't make you 'weak bodied' by any stretch. Tuck is a lean build and he is strong as eff. Collins is tough as crap he copped an almighty flogging this year and still got up and kicked goals if you recall. He might not look like your oiled Arnie wank posters but he is a good footballer who was coming along very nicely thanks. I for one feel we gave up a skilled player who was coming along very nicely.
u r a FI
tuck lean built, wtf
what drugs r u on, tuck is not lean built he is a solid unit
go back to ur bed time stories
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bullsh!t. Collins tackle stats are actually better than Griggs. Being lean doesn't make you 'weak bodied' by any stretch. Tuck is a lean build and he is strong as eff. Collins is tough as crap he copped an almighty flogging this year and still got up and kicked goals if you recall. He might not look like your oiled Arnie wank posters but he is a good footballer who was coming along very nicely thanks. I for one feel we gave up a skilled player who was coming along very nicely.
u r a FI
tuck lean built, wtf
what drugs r u on, tuck is not lean built he is a solid unit
go back to ur bed time stories
Spot on X
if anyone wanna call anyone learn then look at the captain ;D his leaner than my boy :lol
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After seeing the Tiges cave with Collins, they'll probably ask for a round one selection today :help
well they did want cotchin for houli and a 2nd rounder lol. hird and co. down at essendon are desperate. looks like they know they have a very very long road infront of them. id be thinking .... at least 20 years ;D
All the Bomber forums are talking about the 'Big Fish' they are hoping to attract, you're not going to catch a big fish with no bait on your hook! :rollin
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ok let me correct myself X, Tuck is stockily/solidly built? eff I wouldn't have a clue now would I, the bloke is a ropey build he isn't a tank, he would of looked like Collins when he was younger. As for my bedtime stories, they sure beat wanking off to posters of Lou Ferrigno like you pal.
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ok let me correct myself X, Tuck is stockily/solidly built? eff I wouldn't have a clue now would I, the bloke is a ropey build he isn't a tank, he would of looked like Collins when he was younger. As for my bedtime stories, they sure beat wanking off to Lou Ferrigno poster like you pal.
agreed, has always had a wiry build, naturally with age has thickened up now, but early on until 24-25 was a wiry build
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Snip! Stick to the topic ppl. Too busy a day with the end of trade week in less than 3 hours.
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boooo ;D
so Adelaide have traded their compo pick plus their 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders for Tambling & Jacobs
Matt Rendell is lucky he's not working out of punt road LMAO
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Nothing yet on Houli according the Trade Week radio. Just that he'll definitely end up at Richmond via a last minute trade or the PSD. Up to Essendon if they want something in return or nothing.
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Nothing yet on Houli according the Trade Week radio. Just that he'll definitely end up at Richmond via a last minute trade or the PSD. Up to Essendon if they want something in return or nothing.
yep bugger em and if houli gets picked up in the ND before we do, so be it,
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Not hard to see what Essendon are doing. They want us to take him for nothing in the PSD because then they have the first 'live' pick (assuming West Coast) pass as reported. If we have that pick earmarked for someone else then it forces Houli into the ND and cuts our draft options back.
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Houli needs to go to the ND and we can pick him at 46. If hes gone beforehand then its bad luck.Would like to see us leave our PSD option open right now so we can see who ends up in there.
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Good call smokey. Be interesting to see who has their eye on what.
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It shouldnt cut our trade options back smokey. We just hope we get him in th ND for the pick we were offering anyway. If someone else takes him before so be it, but you'd think if someone was willing to give up an earlier pick they would have offered that to Essendon by now.
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Hutchy still reckons Essendon will blink at the last minute.
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times up
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Houli in limbo, Goldcoast got a ton of their compensation picks back for sweet fa. THey have made out like bandits. Some dodgy pick swaps between the skunks and West coast.
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Houli deal not done. So Bombers get nothing for him.
Essendon not happy with pick 46 as they had pick 47.
Craig Cameron believes Houli will be around to be picked up in the PSD.
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Tigers still think they'll get Houli in a draft, Bombers still think they can mend the fractured relationship & get him to stay
http://twitter.com/AFL_JenWitham
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well done tigers for not giving in to those #$%^ at bomberland
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I'm happy we haven't given up any decent pick for a fringe player. Thank gawd Essendon were idiots.
Send Houli into the ND and pick him up with a late pick (4th rounder ~ 70). If we miss out on him so be it.
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We need an update on the National Draft order!
:rollin
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Hutchy still reckons Essendon will blink at the last minute.
Does Hutchy ever say anything that actually happens?
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Only if he wakes up in the morning and says "i'm going to talk poo today"
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Tiger-bound Houli to head for draft
richmondfc.com.au
By Jennifer Witham
4:20 PM Mon 11 Oct, 2010
DISGRUNTLED Essendon midfielder Bachar Houli will be forced to make his way to Punt Road via one of the upcoming NAB AFL Drafts after the Bombers and Tigers were unable to agree on a trade.
The 22-year-old walked out on the club last week and requested a trade to Richmond, which was negotiated during the trade period.
But the Bombers baulked at the Tigers' offer of draft pick No.46, which leaves Houli to wait until either the November 18 draft or the December 7 pre-season draft meeting to make the transition into yellow and black.
"Essendon didn't want to accept our deal and we thought what they asked for was a little bit over the top," Richmond football manager Craig Cameron said.
"It ended up in a stalemate.
"He's disappointed it didn't happen today but he's confident he'll get to where he wants to be."
Houli was reported to have become disenchanted with the Bombers and his lack of opportunities over the past four years, and new coach James Hird was unable to convince him to stay.
He refused to attend the club's best and fairest award over a week ago.
However, the Bombers will still use the time ahead of the draft to see if they can reconcile with the hard-working midfielder.
"I hope so. You'd think so," national recruiting manager Adrian Dodoro said, when asked if the relationship could be repaired.
"He has indicated he wants to play for Richmond next year and they've got the next live pick in the pre-season [draft] so there's a good opportunity for him to get there.
"He's been a required player so we'll have a chat to him but he's got his heart set on getting to Richmond and they've got the whip hand at the moment with the pre-season [draft] so we had our hands pretty much tied."
Houli won't be able to start training with the Tigers until after October 30, according to Cameron.
Dodoro said the Bombers refused the Tigers' best offer as they were seeking a second-round pick as opposed to the third round pick on the table.
"Because our last selection is 47, it was only a change of one pick in the draft so it was of no benefit to us at all," he said.
"We felt their second round would have been a fair and reasonable transaction with us giving them our third-round pick in return.
"But they didn't budge and that's fair enough. That's trade week."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104038/default.aspx
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Second round fair and reasonable my rs
What a tosser
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According to the Bomberblitz, Essendon will be using their 3rd round pick to just upgrade a rookie (Howlett) so that's another reason why our 3rd rounder was rejected by them. So by the sound of it they'll only be using two live picks despite finishing bottom 3 :stupid.
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According to the Bomberblitz, Essendon will be using their 3rd round pick to just upgrade a rookie (Howlett) so that's another reason why our 3rd rounder was rejected by them. So by the sound of it they'll only be using two live picks despite finishing bottom 3 :stupid.
If that is the case it is madness and nothing we could have done.
If they are planning to use their third pick for a 'live' selection, then it would have helped if we managed to upgrade 46 or 50 to Carlton's 33 or 41 in the Grigg/Collins deal.
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Houli was said to be disappointed, but remains confident he'll find his way to Richmond through December's pre-season draft.
Gold Coast has the first pick but is understood to have no interest, West Coast is unlikely at No. 2, leaving the Tigers to snap up Houli at No.3 .
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-reject-tigers-deal-for-bachar-houli/story-fn69a32t-1225937382775
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According to the Bomberblitz, Essendon will be using their 3rd round pick to just upgrade a rookie (Howlett) so that's another reason why our 3rd rounder was rejected by them. So by the sound of it they'll only be using two live picks despite finishing bottom 3 :stupid.
There was a post on BF that if accurate makes sense and sheds light on why the bummers are only planning on 3 picks in the ND
We currently have only 5-6 guys out of contract, so they are our maximum delistings. Two of these are 19 year olds Michael Still and Tyson Slattery, both we are happy with and have every intention of keeping. That narrows it down to 4 possible delistings, being Laycock, Atkinson, Houli, Lonergan. As we are upgrading Howlett from the rookie list onto the main list, all of a sudden we have only 3 available spots on our list. There is no more we can do.
...At very most, we can only have 4 available spots on our list
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19318809&postcount=3 (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19318809&postcount=3)
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Would laugh my t@s off if we take the player Essendon were gunning for with their last national draft pick 1 pick before them
They will be kicking themselves that they didn't take that pick off us then
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I think The Bombers need to borrow our commemorative "Danny Frawley Broom" as there are dust bunnies right through their list.
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Would laugh my t@s off if we take the player Essendon were gunning for with their last national draft pick 1 pick before them
They will be kicking themselves that they didn't take that pick off us then
I believe Essendon are just going to use their 3rd pick (#47) to promote one of their rookies (Howlett). So they will have only two live picks if that is the case. In a supposedly strong draft that's crazy stuff from a bottom 3 club. We know as we've been down that stupid path a few times ourselves.
Following on from what you've said infamy, we can screw Essendon by getting wind of who they want in the PSD and we pick him up with our last pick in the National draft. Even if Essendon weren't going to use it, allowing us to keep hold of our two 3rd round picks just allows us the flexibility and a better chance to get the kids we're after. We could pick up Houli with a 4th/5th rounder in the 70s/80s with all the other clubs knowing he wants to come to Richmond and only Richmond. Knowing the AFL they'll make sure it happens to appease the AFLPA (see Luke Ball last year). The Bombers were stupid if they thought the PSD was the only option for us to get Houli.
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Would laugh my t@s off if we take the player Essendon were gunning for with their last national draft pick 1 pick before them
They will be kicking themselves that they didn't take that pick off us then
I believe Essendon are just going to use their 3rd pick (#47) to promote one of their rookies (Howlett). So they will have only two live picks if that is the case. In a supposedly strong draft that's crazy stuff from a bottom 3 club. We know as we've been down that stupid path a few times ourselves.
Following on from what you've said infamy, we can screw Essendon by getting wind of who they want in the PSD and we pick him up with our last pick in the National draft. Even if Essendon weren't going to use it, allowing us to keep hold of our two 3rd round picks just allows us the flexibility and a better chance to get the kids we're after. We could pick up Houli with a 4th/5th rounder in the 70s/80s with all the other clubs knowing he wants to come to Richmond and only Richmond. Knowing the AFL they'll make sure it happens to appease the AFLPA (see Luke Ball last year). The Bombers were stupid if they thought the PSD was the only option for us to get Houli.
The prospect of attempting to take him in the National Draft still holds more risks though than the PSD. I think its worth the risk though.
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But MT, is Eau De Essendon something we should be sniffing considering their recent drafting record? It would be good to take their pick just to spite them but in all honesty I have far more faith in our current scouting team than theirs.
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Take him at pick 67 if we think we can get away with totally taking the pee
Our last 3 picks should be Houli, the Gourdis upgrade, and PSD #2
6, 29, 47, 50 used on kids
bank the compo pick
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Take him at pick 67 if we think we can get away with totally taking the pee
Our last 3 picks should be Houli, the Gourdis upgrade, and PSD #2
6, 29, 47, 50 used on kids
bank the compo pick
Sounds like a plan.
Good post (for a change :lol )
'65
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No one can help you now mate
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i love you
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No one can help you now mate
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Love....Exciting and new
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Love....Exciting and new
Come Aboard. We're expecting you.
Love, life's sweetest reward.
Let it flow, it floats back to you.
The Love Boat soon will be making another run
The Love Boat promises something for everyone
Set a course for adventure,
Your mind on a new romance.
So is it Captain '65 and First Mate Greg? ;D
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Greg is Tattoo lol
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Just on Houli for a moment, does anyone know it the club has requested he be placed on the permission to train list yet? When do the lads get back on the track?
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Just on Houli for a moment, does anyone know it the club has requested he be placed on the permission to train list yet? When do the lads get back on the track?
Not sure he can be prior to the ND, i think that can only happen prior to the PSD
From memory most players are actually contracted until the end of October, early November which is the main thing stopping players from existing AFL clubs training at new ones
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Snip! Enough with the toe-to-toe insults ppl! ::)
Now back to the topic .....
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Snip! Enough with the toe-to-toe insults ppl! ::)
Now back to the topic .....
Nice selective editing. How about editing the two peanuts who started the crap
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Snip! Enough with the toe-to-toe insults ppl! ::)
Now back to the topic .....
Nice selective editing. How about editing the two peanuts who started the crap
There is the 'report to moderator' function as others have used. We're not mindreaders ::). Anyway these other posts have now been edited.
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Just on Houli for a moment, does anyone know it the club has requested he be placed on the permission to train list yet? When do the lads get back on the track?
On the thread about the Official Delistings it says they start training early November.
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Not sure he can be prior to the ND, i think that can only happen prior to the PSD
From memory most players are actually contracted until the end of October, early November which is the main thing stopping players from existing AFL clubs training at new ones
On the thread about the Official Delistings it says they start training early November.
thanks dudes
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Here is an old draft profile of Bachar
Bachar Houli
Small forward/midfielder
Western Jets
12/5/1988
180cms and 84kgs
Bachar has attracted a lot of hype and media attention. A very early developer who has always seemed to have an early physical edge on players his own age and been on another level to most of them. Early on last year he looked like an absolute gun but some terrible injuries has stifled his development it seems. This year he has again battled some more minor injuries but he still struggles to string game after game together and it’s a pretty decent question mark of him going into the draft.
The stress fractures on his back last year was pretty horrendous and ankle injuries this year have not helped. At the carnival he has quite good after missing the 2005 one with injury after being selected.
His game is built around being very clever around goal. A superb kick for goal with all the tricks needed to crumb a pack and to evade a player to snap a goal. Great hands under pressure to gather the ball and feed it out. Physically developed body helps him keep his head over it and absorb the contact as well of course.
Kicking is very good around the ground. Not the longest kick but very accurate and technically sound on his left foot. Would not be surprised given full fitness in the AFL system if he gets another extra meters on it and can power through the ball a bit more with more conditioning and flexability. Does not quite seem to kick through the ball as much as he did last year and injuries might be a reason.
Leg speed is an issue. Looking at him this year he gets a lot of ball with a superb ability to know where to position himself. But in open play he struggles to break away from players and to chase them down. Seems a bit one paced and lacking acceleration. Not much of a jump either and is not overly strong in the air.
The perfect wet track specialist who is ideal at keeping his feet and wining contested ball and kicking a clever goal. Reminds me of Amon Buchanen in size and body shape and in playing style. Clever players who are good and use the ball well but wont win you a Stawell Gift.
If Bachar gets 2 or 3 pre seasons in and no injuries he should be able to get his game up to that sort of level as Amon and run as hard as him and be that effective.
His form after the U18s has been very good but again he has had to leave the field a number of times with minor injuries and consequently cant string together blocks of full games over the last 2 years. But has been moved into the midfield and been running to receive a lot more and starting to cover the ground like he did last year. Gathered heaps of football and started to show he can do the hard running required and grunt work.
Stats
2006
12 games - 22 possessions per game, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 20 goals in total
2005
7 games - 24ppg, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 13 goals in total.
Strengths
• Very good kick
• Clean ball handler
• Good around goals
• Excellent vision and reading of the game
• Ball magnet
Weaknesses
• Short
• Early developer and “solid body”
• Leg speed
• Injury concerns – will his body hold together?
• AFL position – can he run hard enough for long enough to be a midfielder or end up as a forward pocket only
Verdict
Bachar does not quite fit the profile for the modern game. Lacks that speed that clubs will want at his size. But he does have compensating factors such as skill and vision and a fantastic football brain. The small forward position for a specialized player is almost extinct these days and clubs require them to be able to play as another midfielder and rotate them through there. So it will come down to how clubs believe Houli will be able to stand up to the hard running he will need to be able to do. Will his body allow him to do the hard training and not break down and what levels his endurance is now and what can be worked on.
Injuries means he will have a fair bit of improvement in him if he can get through. He is physically developed but the hard running can be worked on and given increased fitness his agility and speed in the latter parts of game should improve with better conditioning. Its not how quick someone runs when they are fresh that’s as important as how quick they can run when they begin to tire and how often they can run close to there maximum before they are spent.
Prediction : 20 to 40
http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=24128.msg475842#msg475842
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I couldn't find this on the net so I scanned it in.
Fit Houli is raring to go
By SAM EDMUND
FRI 22 OCT 2010, Page 117
BACHAR Houli will start training with Richmond next month as he moves a step closer to joining the Tigers.
Despite quitting the Bombers several weeks ago, Houli can't start training at Punt Rd until his Essendon contract officially expires at the end of October.
The midfielder has been training by himself and is said to be in excellent shape as he prepares to move.
The Tigers have committed to taking the disgruntled midfielder and despite failing to secure a deal in trade week, will most likely use December's pre-season draft to snare him.
Gold Coast has the first pick, but is understood to have no interest, West Coast is highly unlikely at No. 2, leaving the Tigers to snap up Houli at No. 3.
Houli, 22, turned his back on Essendon earlier this month and snubbed the club's best-and-fairest dinner after a testing season under former coach Matthew Knights.
He played 26 games in four seasons at Windy Hill, but was picked for only five senior matches this year, despite excellent VFL form.
Bombers great Matthew Lloyd said Houli felt like a ``whipping boy'' at times.
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Well ok, good on him, I hope he does well, I didn't agree in trading for him but seeing we are getting him for nothing and he has so far put the hard yards in himself I will back him in.
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At least Houli won't miss any of the preseason by starting in November instead of waiting until mid-December for the PSD to make it all official. Learning a defensive gameplan for the first time will come as a shock though :D.
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Essendon's Bachar Houli will soon begin training with Richmond, which hopes to secure him in the pre-season draft.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/suns-may-be-worth-a-gamble-on-ryan/story-e6frf9jf-1225943414022)
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I only started getting excited about this when I relise how bitter Essendon fans are
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I only started getting excited about this when I relise how bitter Essendon fans are
That's half the fun - Hope he kicks it :thumbsup
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Houli & grigg for Collins is a good bit of work by th club.
Houli in the psd can't be worse than knisley or knobel
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Houli & grigg for Collins is a good bit of work by th club.
Houli in the psd can't be worse than knisley or knobel
Dead right and he is coming to the club so we had better get used to it, cant wait to see if this guys makes or breks it now, love to see him make it.
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Make no mistake- Bachar will be a very good player for the Tigers. Even better than Grigg IMO. Grigg is a work horse, Bachar has some real skills.
Was treated really badly at the Bombers for a long time hence him not even turning upto the clubs B&F.
Really looking forward to see what he can do at Tigerland!
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But why would he have been treated unfairly, just unlucky?
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Some Matt knights related reason?
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More from twitter.....
Is bachar houli training with u guys yet?
Farmer: "he was in the club yesterday but not sure he can join until final list lodgements"
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Ahh I see you have been following my tweets with mitch farmer one eyed!
What's ur twitter name one eyed and I'll follow u, the players normally let me in on a few things so u will be able to see then! :)
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Hird today talking about Houli...
Bachar Houli was a notable absentee after his botched attempt to secure a trade to Richmond during last month's official exchange period.
"We'd love Bachar to be here on the list but he's made a decision that he doesn't want to be," Hird said.
"You cut your ties and you move on. We're a proud club and a club that's moving somewhere and if he doesn't want to be part of it, that's his decision."
Houli is expected to enter the NAB AFL Pre-season Draft, where he is expected to make his way to Punt Road.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104921/default.aspx
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yep the bummers are heading south
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Hird today talking ...
"You cut your ties and you move on. We're a proud club and a club that's moving somewhere and if he doesn't want to be part of it, that's his decision."
Proud of what exactly Jimmy?
The way your Club treated Matthew Knights
Perhaps your proud of your constant denials on "On the Couch" when you kept saying week after week after week that you wouldn't be coaching Essendon when every man and his dog knew it wasn't true
Proud of how you spoke to a coach of another club while he was contracted to that Club...
Yep lot to be proud of there :wallywink
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I think he's proud of his 4 year, $5m contract which you might find will supplement the annual dividend he gets from Gemba.
Don't blame him, I'd be proud of that deal too.
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well said Powelly.
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won't coach essendon for next 3-5 years.
Cheats...
Hird today talking ...
"You cut your ties and you move on. We're a proud club and a club that's moving somewhere and if he doesn't want to be part of it, that's his decision."
Proud of what exactly Jimmy?
The way your Club treated Matthew Knights
Perhaps your proud of your constant denials on "On the Couch" when you kept saying week after week after week that you wouldn't be coaching Essendon when every man and his dog knew it wasn't true
Proud of how you spoke to a coach of another club while he was contracted to that Club...
Yep lot to be proud of there :wallywink
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Good stuff WP :clapping
Add also proud of refusing to trade Houli for a 3rd round pick and losing him for nothing because they told us they wouldn't use it and then delisting two players just a month later right before the draft :stupid. Seriously what a rabble to stuff up like that :rollin. Whether Houli makes it or not, I hope our pick 47 becomes a 10-year player to really shove their own stupidity and arrogance up 'em :thumbsup
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[Comment From joejoe: ]
Hi Paul, do you think the Tiges will secure Houli in the pre-season or late in the national draft?
Paul Daffey:
Hi Joe,
I can't answer this with any authority. Richmond has made some mistakes in drafting cast-offs from other clubs, but admittedly that was before Hardwick's time. Maybe he figures the Tigers need a bit of grunt around the packs in a young team.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/livechat/tabid/15974/default.aspx
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[Comment From joejoe: ]
Hi Paul, do you think the Tiges will secure Houli in the pre-season or late in the national draft?
Paul Daffey:
Hi Joe,
I can't answer this with any authority. Richmond has made some mistakes in drafting cast-offs from other clubs, but admittedly that was before Hardwick's time. Maybe he figures the Tigers need a bit of grunt around the packs in a young team.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/livechat/tabid/15974/default.aspx
Certainly can't Paul - that is nothing answer that doesn't even come close to answering the bloody question
Wasn't the question "do you think the Tigers will get Houli in the PSD or ND? ???
This is a pretty simple YES or NO question to me
Answer = YES
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From Richmond Twitter
Bachar Houli is in the building! And he will be hitting the training track tomorrow
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Certainly can't Paul - that is nothing answer that doesn't even come close to answering the bloody question
Wasn't the question "do you think the Tigers will get Houli in the PSD or ND? ???
This is a pretty simple YES or NO question to me
Answer = YES
LOL. English can be a difficult language. Damn your literal mind WP. ;D
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RFC twitter saying "Bachar Houli is in the building! And he will be hitting the training track tomorrow"
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RFC twitter saying "Bachar Houli is in the building! And he will be hitting the training track tomorrow"
Get with the times OE!!
I posted that at 11:00am!! ;D
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LOL wayne. Me = :wallywink
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Former Essendon midfielder Bachar Houli completed an impressive workout as he hopes to be picked up by the Tigers in the pre-season draft.
Houli walked out on the Bombers last month.
Dumped Melbourne forward Brad Miller also had a strong hitout in a bid to resurrected his career at Tigerland.
Shane Edwards completed light work away from the main group.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/young-tiger-the-new-richo/story-e6frf9jf-1225952771251?from=public_rss
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Houli hasn't nominated for the National Draft so as expected he's coming to us via the PSD.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105163/default.aspx
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Houli will join Tigers: manager
By Jennifer Witham 4:22 PM Wed 17 Nov, 2010
BACHAR Houli's manager is confident the former Essendon midfielder will land at Richmond as planned in the NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft.
The 22-year-old hasn't nominated for Thursday night's national draft and will wait until December 7 to learn of his fate.
Nigel Carmody of Elite Sports Properties believes Houli will officially move to Punt Road with the Tigers' first pick in the pre-season pool.
"The Tigers' preference is to take him so we're looking forward to that all hopefully being finalised," he told afl.com.au.
"He's commenced training [with Richmond] and the draft is a couple of weeks away.
"The uncontracted and delisted players have that opportunity where they can decide if they want to nominate for either draft.
"With Bachar, we're pretty hopeful he'll find his way to his desired location in a couple of weeks' time."
Houli walked out on the Bombers last month after being repeatedly overlooked for senior opportunities throughout his four years at Windy Hill.
During the October trade period - where the Bombers and Tigers failed to strike a deal - it was apparent that Houli's relationship with his former club had become untenable.
It was confirmed at the time that Richmond was Houli's destination of choice.
Ex-Demon Cameron Bruce and former Pie John Anthony will also sit out Thursday night's draft and head straight for the pre-season meeting.
Bruce has been strongly linked to Hawthorn while Anthony will move west with Fremantle already committed to recruiting him.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=105296 (http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=105296)
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RICHMOND is claiming a victory of sorts in its battle with Essendon over Bachar Houli.
The clubs fell out during trade week after no deal was finalised for Houli, who had told the Bombers he wanted out of Windy Hill.
The Tigers offered their third-round draft pick, No. 47, to the Bombers, but they already had No. 48 and did not regard the opportunity to improve one spot as adequate compensation.
Houli will still find his way to Punt Rd in the pre-season draft and the Tigers snared West Adelaide midfielder Bradley Helbig with selection No. 47.
They claim Helbig had been prominent on Essendon's radar at No. 48.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/eagle-eyed-vics/story-e6frf9jf-1225957914017
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But by not trading Houli the Bombers have forced us to use our PSD pick on him!!
That leaves the Bombers a free pick on some of the huge talent available at PSD #4.
We're a disorganised mob, Essendon have screwed us over!!
We could have had Ash Hansen AND Bachar Houli and missed out on Brad Helbig!!
:wallywink
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It's only around 12 hours now until Houli becomes a Tiger. Getting in early I know but Bachar welcome officially to Punt Rd :).
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It's official. Houli a Tiger.
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:clapping
(http://mm.afl.com.au/livescores/player/large/250312.jpg)
Player statistics
* Former club:Essendon
* DOB:12/05/1988
* Height:180cm
* Weight:84kg
* Position:Midfielder
Player assessment
Spent four years at Windy Hill but most of it saw him playing for Bendigo in the VFL. Managed 26 games in that time, including five this year, but the hard-working midfielder walked out on the club two months ago citing frustration at his lack of opportunities.
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(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg827/scaled.php?tn=0&server=827&filename=pqx0.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
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Who's sitting next to Houli?
Is that Jakobi?
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Bachar to the future
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images_richmond/bacharpre_246b.jpg)
Bachar Houli may have had four years in the AFL system, but right now he’s as enthusiastic and energetic as the keenest teenage draftee imaginable.
Today (December 7, 2010) is Houli’s first official day as a Richmond footballer, after being selected by the Tigers with their pick (No. 3 overall) in the pre-season draft, and the 22-year-old couldn’t be more excited . . .
“It feels like the draft day back in ’06 when I first got drafted, to be quite honest. It’s just like starting again,” he said.
“The atmosphere at the Club has been amazing, particularly from the boys themselves . . . they’ve made me feel really welcome, and I definitely feel at home.
“They have respected where I’ve come from, why I’ve come to the Club, and I haven’t looked back.
“Everybody has contributed in making me feel so comfortable here.”
Following a frustrating 2010 season with Essendon, Houli had a meeting with Richmond coach Damien Hardwick in September about a possible move to Tigerland - and came away convinced where his football future lay.
“Dimma said, ‘this is where we are heading as a team, and this is where we see you fitting in’.
“He basically outlined the role he saw me playing - mainly as an outside midfielder, trying to deliver inside 50 to the bigger boys, with a bit of half-forward as well - and told me he felt I could add a bit to the team.
“That gave me a lot of confidence, which is really important.”
The other major Yellow and Black attraction for Houli, is the opportunity to take on a leadership role among such a young playing group.
“About two-thirds of the group are younger than me, which is incredible really,” he said.
“To get to grow together with those young players, who are all so hungry to succeed, will be great.
“I’ve always had older friends, and I’ve learned a lot from them. Being more mature than a lot of guys my age, when I was growing up, taught me a lot. And, now, I definitely hope to offer some sort of leadership to the younger guys developing here at the Club.
“It won’t be so much from a vocal perspective on-field - more just how to be humble, and how to be respectful . . .”
Houli’s sense of anticipation at Punt Road has been heightened due to the renowned fanaticism of the Yellow and Black faithful.
“It’s going to be awesome playing in front of the passionate Richmond supporters at the MCG,” he said.
“Coming from Essendon, I expect it’s going to be fairly similar - you know, two big, traditional, passionate clubs, always pulling the big crowds.
“I’m really looking forward to getting on the Tiger bandwagon . . .”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/105958/default.aspx
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Bachar highlights
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/318425/default.aspx
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Who's sitting next to Houli?
Is that Jakobi?
Dude I stuffing hope not, it's a chick. She was in the NZ photos. Dunno who she is.
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Who's sitting next to Houli?
Is that Jakobi?
Dude I effing hope not, it's a chick. She was in the NZ photos. Dunno who she is.
LMFAO. Draft her...she couldn't be worse than Hislop
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Video of Houli
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/318425/default.aspx (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/318425/default.aspx)
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick provides an insightful summary of the selections the Tigers made in today’s pre-season and rookie drafts . . .
Bachar Houli
“Firstly, he’s a quality kid. He has good values and is a very strong family man . . .
The thing we love about Bachar, from a football perspective, is his kicking ability. He is an elite kick of the football. We’ve already noticed at training the amount of times he can hit up a leading target inside-50, which is something we lacked over the course of last season. We see him playing some half-forward, some outside wing . . . Another big plus with Bachar is he’s got the ability to kick goals, which is something else that we’ve lacked. And, he’s also got leadership qualities. He’s pulled our guys in a couple of times and spoken about the things we need to get better at, training-wise, which has been terrific. Look, he’s fitted in really, really well and we think he’ll be a great addition to our footy Club.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/105981/default.aspx
Richmond has bolstered its midfield stocks by selecting Bachar Houli in the 2010 Pre-season Draft.
Houli, 22, arrives at Punt Road Oval from Essendon, where he was taken with selection 42 in the 2006 National Draft and played 26 games in four seasons.
He made his debut in 2007 and was nominated for the NAB Rising Star Award in 2008.
“Bachar is a player at the right age and pedigree, who will add more depth to our midfield,” Richmond’s General Manager of Football, Craig Cameron, said.
“We were pleased about how enthusiastic he is to join our young group, and he has already proved his credentials as a highly skilled player with good endurance.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/105969/default.aspx
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Houli was just on SEN with Francis Leech and Schwarz.....
* Very relieved. Been training at club for the past 3 weeks and the boys and coaches have made him feel very welcomed. Can now clear his mind now he's officially a Tiger and focus on the near-future.
* Meeting with Hird - did it just to clear his mind. Bachar said he had already made his decision. Opportunity at Richmond was great. He just wanted to hear what hird had to say and wanted to respect a great of the game by hearing what he had to say.
* Made decision as soon as season ended before Hird was appointed. Richmond offer was best for him and his family.
* He was very upset with not getting a fair go. He didn't show it though so no one at Essendon including the boys and leadership group knew. Biggest thing for him was to remain patient and finish off the year and take it from there. Ox said he showed character not showing his disappointment and not losing it with the
* Confidence in football is a massive thing. Got dropped twice and would speak with Knights. Get things right and then get dropped. Thought he was a bit unlucky. Repeated he just wanted to remain patient and finish off the year strong at Bendigo in the VFL.
* No jumper number yet. Knows half the theme song.
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I hope Ox gave him some of those left over powerbands! :thumbsup
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what are these powerbands?
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Houli on 3BA (Ballarat) with Dr Turf......
* Biggest thing - Richmond players have been very welcoming. Young atmosphere makes me feel more comfotable. Feel like more a veteran.
* Spoke to Dimma in Sept. after the last round. Essendon only told him to be patient and things were going to happen. Told Knights sacked 3/4 time of round 21. Spoke to Dimma after round 22 and took it from there.
* Dimma went through the whole picture with Houli. Opportunity offered was too good to resist. Young team and all.
* Told himself all year to be patient. But he was worried. Spoke to his manager who did his job. A couple of clubs interested. Richmond more keen. Very glad to end up there.
* You're never comfortable playing VFL but you've just got to deal with it. He said he's a man who never gives up. If a club says it doesn't want you then there's nothing you can do about that.
* Haven't received a number yet. Want a different no. to the #43 he had a Essendon. Joked with Dr Turf about getting #17.
* He said he was drafted as a midfielder and wants to play there. Today's game half-forward is midfield. So sees himself as an outside mid and play wing/half-forward.
* Very frustrated over the past year. Just wanted to be patient and good things will come. Dr Turf said you were patient and good things have come in Richmond drafting you.
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wrapt to have this youngster in Y&B is a super talent and built like a tank :gotigers
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Here's the audio of Bachar's interview on 3BA with Dr Turf and Schwass
http://twaud.io/q4Hc
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Who's sitting next to Houli?
Is that Jakobi?
Dude I effing hope not, it's a chick. She was in the NZ photos. Dunno who she is.
She's works in the Player Development dept with Tim Livingstone
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Excited about Bachar.
And hope it peees off the islamaphobes!
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Good to have Bachar on board.
Excited about Bachar.
And hope it peees off the islamaphobes!
Could not care less about the boy his own personal choices are exactly that his own. If he helps RFC up the ladder good enough for me.
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It seems that Bachar has his head screwed on right.
Houli looks forward to new journey at Punt Road
Emma Quayle
December 9, 2010
BY THE time Bachar Houli met James Hird in early October, it was already too late. The new Essendon coach told his former teammate what he wanted to hear: that he liked Houli, that he supported him, that he would, most importantly, play him.
But the day after his final VFL game this year, the 22-year-old had taken a call from Richmond and gone in to Punt Road. Meeting Damien Hardwick, he felt instantly comfortable with both the coach and his plans for him. Catching up with Hird was more about explaining why he wasn't going to sign on as a Bomber again, rather than having his mind changed. But that didn't make it any easier.
''I went to see James Hird to clear things up. And it was challenging, because he is a great of the game and I have so much respect for him. It was very hard for me to say, 'James, I've already made my decision' but that's what I had to do because, to be honest, my decision was already there,'' Houli said yesterday.
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''I was confused, walking away, but as I said to him, 'I've got to be a man, now.' I had to say, 'This is the best opportunity for me and my family, and it's one I really need to take'.''
Houli was frustrated during 2010, as he dipped in and out of the Essendon team. He was frustrated again when his old and new clubs failed to reach a deal during trade week, but both times reminded himself to remain patient.
While in 2009 he had needed to muster all his courage to call Matthew Knights and ask what he should be doing to get in the senior side, he didn't feel the same fear this year and, despite feeling his confidence shrink when he kept getting dropped, he holds nothing against his old coach.
''I couldn't walk up to him and say 'I should be in'. As a player, you don't do that,'' he said. ''People assumed there was a lot of tension between me and Matthew, but there was no tension. It took a bit of courage to talk to him, definitely, but when I felt like I needed to approach him I approached him and he always told me everything up front, all the time …
''I walked out with a smile every time and we were on good terms, which was the important thing. That's just my nature. I can't have any hatred towards anyone and I don't want anyone hating me. It just didn't unfold the way that I wanted it to.''
Houli kept working hard, and felt proud at the end of the season that he had not let his situation dictate how he played. Still, enduring another stop-start season left him feeling uncertain - even as he ran up the race, how he was going to play that day. That he felt so instantly comfortable around Hardwick, and that the Tigers were so determined to get him, made him feel like he would rediscover his self-belief as a Richmond player.
He got there officially on Tuesday, as the club's preseason draft selection but, having trained there for almost a month, already feels like he has made the best possible move.
''When I went into games this year, every time I picked up the footy I was second-guessing what I had to do, and that got me into a fair bit of trouble. I need to change that now so that when I run out I feel confident and know every time I get the football in my hands that I can hit any target I want to,'' Houli said.
''For me, football is so short. Of course, an element of moving comes from a financial point of view, but I've played 26 games in four years and I really, really want to play more games. I want to be a 150- or a 200-game player, that's the dream I had when I was drafted, and I feel like I could do that here. If I don't play well I only have myself to blame, but the coaches here have backed me. They've supported my talent and I owe them a lot for that. It's a new start; it's the start of a new journey now.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/houli-looks-forward-to-new-journey-at-punt-road-20101208-18pss.html
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New Tiger Houli hitting his stride
Martin Boulton
The Age
January 6, 2011
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Bachar Houli sizzled in a time trial with his new club yesterday. Photo: Vince Caligiuri
RICHMOND recruit Bachar Houli wasted no time making an impact on his new coaches during the first day back in training after the Christmas break.
The former Bomber was second fastest in yesterday's time trial around the Tan track, behind fleet-footed midfielder Matt White, and said he was rapt to have a fresh start after four years at Windy Hill.
''Essendon gave me an opportunity and gave me a lot, but I've put everything behind me now to concentrate on my new club and I'm really, really enjoying it - the coaching staff and players have been very supportive,'' Houli said. ''I just want to be out there [training] and improving as a player, and I can't wait to kick-start this season.''
Houli and fellow recruit Shaun Grigg, who crossed to Punt Road from Carlton, are likely to feature in coach Damien Hardwick's use of the new interchange rule, which the coach said would lead to more midfielders pushing forward.
In the home-and-away season teams will field three interchange players and one substitute. The substitute player can be used at any time, but the player he replaces will not be eligible to return to the field.
''We've got some time to trial it, which is great, that's what the NAB Cup is for,'' Hardwick said yesterday. ''We'll see what works best for us - whether it's an impact player off the bench or another runner. Hopefully, it has a positive impact for our game.''
Grigg said he was ''ready for whatever the coach wants me to do'' and after four years and 43 games with the Blues feels confident he can play a number of positions.
''It's like I've started out fresh again and I'm really excited to be at Tigerland,'' the 22-year-old said.
Grigg and Brad Miller, who joins the club's mature-age rookie list after nine years at Melbourne, are the only two players with any finals experience and the ex-Blue said he was desperate to play finals again.
''I grew up massively through that year [when Carlton reached the '09 elimination final] and after playing in one you want to play in heaps more,'' he said.
The Tigers' trio of recruits have 202 games of senior experience between them and supply the club with important options through the midfield, forward and defensive parts of the ground.
Houli, a former Rising Star nominee who played 22 games for the Bombers, is a versatile runner, and Grigg has developed into a flexible player who has developed his strength and stamina in recent years.
Miller, who played 133 games for the Demons, said it was good to be back in training and like Houli and Grigg felt like he was ''starting all over again'' with a new opportunity at the revamped Punt Road.
Houli was quick to spruik Miller's leadership qualities and said his years of experience would be valuable as the young Tigers aim to build on last year's strong second half of the season.
''His leadership is enormous and especially among a young group we need that, he definitely fits into that category,'' he said.
After Miller was delisted, he was soon targeted as a support for emerging forward star Jack Riewoldt.
Miller said he was thrilled to be part of ''an exciting new era'' at Richmond and looked forward to again playing at the MCG after putting in a solid pre-season campaign.
''Your mind is right in it, your heart is in it and your body follows,'' the 27-year-old said. ''I've been recovering really well from training sessions and feel really enthusiastic, so it's great.
''At the moment I just have to find my feet as a player, get as fit as I can and earn a bit of respect on the training field.
''The group has been awesome, they've accepted us with open arms and just been fantastic.''
Miller is expected to form part of the Tigers' emerging forward set-up featuring Coleman medallist Riewoldt, who has returned to full training after finger surgery.
Hardwick, who enters his second year as senior coach, was thrilled to see Riewoldt working hard around the Tan and finishing inside the top five in the 500-metre test.
''He's dropped about three or four kilograms and he's down to about 90 now, which is great,'' the coach said.
''He probably got a little bit heavy towards the end of last year [and] the way the game is probably going to go this year we'd like to see him a bit more up the ground.''
Nathan Foley (Achilles) is expected to join full training later this month.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-tiger-houli-hitting-his-stride-20110105-19gac.html
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needs to keep his feet on the ground
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RFCO on BF:
Good sign from yesterday, once Bachar finished and came 2nd he had a 30 second break, went back and started running to the finish line with the guys that were still running.
Leadership.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19906746&postcount=439
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Houli in Richmond gear.
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Did he grow up riding horses?
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Geesh the jumper looks weird with no sponosr logo on the front ;D
takes me back to the early-mid 70's and the old woollen jumpers
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thats not a bad advertising space there.
especially in a couple of years time. :thumbsup
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thats not a bad advertising space there.
especially in a couple of years time. :thumbsup
Hopefully we have a sponsor before then roger. :pray :lol
No advertising is good news for supporters who don't need to keep updating their black and yellow sash. ;)
takes me back to the early-mid 70's and the old woollen jumpers
Reminds me of the days I used to unpick the patches..
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How come the socks have a much deeper yellow color than the sash? Shouldnt the yellows be the same?
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How come the socks have a much deeper yellow color than the sash? Shouldnt the yellows be the same?
His boots don't match either. Not good enough Bachar.
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Did he grow up riding horses?
Ha ha, Bingo! I thought the exact same thing :cheers
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It will be the same reason the black is not jet. The material reflects the light differently. Latest technology, makes players feel more comfortable, yada yada yada.
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Did he grow up riding horses?
lol, i too noticed the bandy legs
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Care little for his legs as long as he plays well with them. :thumbsup
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One of the criticisms from Bomber fans when Houli was at Essendon was he wasn't one to go win the hard ball. Some poor signs last night too on that front when he didn't go hard enough a few times when he needed to.
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One of the criticisms from Bomber fans when Houli was at Essendon was he wasn't one to go win the hard ball. Some poor signs last night too on that front when he didn't go hard enough a few times when he needed to.
Wanted to bring this up but thought that maybe I hadnt analysed a couple situations properly. Needs to have a bit of a think about things does Bachar.
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I thought the same last week as well. He didnt shirk all contests though so there is hope.
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at least when he gets the ball , you know he will use it, unlike Edwards
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i think you mean "unlike edwards" ?
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In the first quarter when we were getting hammered Houli stood up. His disposal was good. I did not see him turn over the ball. He played an okay game.
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Not disappointed with Houli. I think he was good and has been all year. Calls to get rid of him are as outlandish as Conca being compared to Banik. Has heart puts his body on the line uses the footy well and does his job. Can't see at this point in time why he shouldn't stay in the side.
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Been decent but squibbed a crucial contest last night after Newman effected a spoil and Astbury shepherded for him, just needed to put his head over it and win the free kick at the very least. Pies got through and it cost us a goal.
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Been decent but squibbed a crucial contest last night after Newman effected a spoil and Astbury shepherded for him, just needed to put his head over it and win the free kick at the very least. Pies got through and it cost us a goal.
Honestly can't remember that gerk what quarter?
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one of the bad ones :cheers
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One of the criticisms from Bomber fans when Houli was at Essendon was he wasn't one to go win the hard ball. Some poor signs last night too on that front when he didn't go hard enough a few times when he needed to.
:lol :lol
I think this was one of many things we spoke of durng the game
I thought he was OK but agreed last night he didn't seem to go in a couple of times when he should have and having just watched the replay I think we assessed that accurately :thumbsup
Not sure why he having playing int he back pocket at times though, no problem with him sweeping off HB because his long kicking is an asset but locked away in the BP I'm not what purpose it serves TBH
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Just watched the 3rd quarter. Noticeable that Houli goes when he has to.
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biggest squib of night was by mat white, which surprised me
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Just watched the 3rd quarter. Noticeable that Houli goes when he has to.
Fair enough know saw that too but what suggest have a look at the 2nd qtr again
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Houli is a minor upgrade of Tivendale and McMahon. His kicking skills maybe a bit better but he's still similar. He's flakey , outside , a bit soft and a left footer with overrated kicking skills....and he aint quick either
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Been decent but squibbed a crucial contest last night after Newman effected a spoil and Astbury shepherded for him, just needed to put his head over it and win the free kick at the very least. Pies got through and it cost us a goal.
Definite squib.
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He's a squib. To be honest Jordy Mac would give us the same output
Minor upgrade of Tiv? GTFO. Tivva was better ;D
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Houli is a minor upgrade of Tivendale and McMahon. His kicking skills maybe a bit better but he's still similar. He's flakey , outside , a bit soft and a left footer with overrated kicking skills....and he aint quick either
LMAO you'll be hounding this kid soon.
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Definitely not as soft as some are making out, a few instances of him being able to go in harder have clouded some judgements.
Comparisons to McMahon are ridiculous
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Why are they rediculous? Similar players. Both left footers, both outside and both are a bit soft. Slap a #13 on him and I would still think its old Jordy
Calm down Kerry
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LMAO He's not in the Jordy tizz Myself category but i expect him to show a bit more tabbouleh in some of his contests
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Not sold on Bacha Lacha Daka Street yet.
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I think hes been poor so far. When you recruit a player from another club he needs to do more than what Bachar is showing at the moment.
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Happy so far. Is obviously talented and worth persisting.
Brings some class to the side, and at his age, is ripe to mature over the next 1-2 years into that outside classy mid we need
Give him 44 games over the next 2 seasons, and watch this space.
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I think hes been poor so far. When you recruit a player from another club he needs to do more than what Bachar is showing at the moment.
Maybe Ramps but he's only played 30 games of senior footy - 4 of them under a decent coach. Gotta cut him some slack to let his ability (or lack of) show through.
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He needs to be kicking goals. That was one of the reasons he was brought into the side.
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He needs to grow a pornomowie. i miss jordy and his turnovers
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Leave out the personal insults ppl. Back to the topic!
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:lol
Bachar has a fine beard
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Pete's fingers are lurking. Donut too
Bachar you good buddy
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Donuts too?
Quick guys, hooray for everything!
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Houli finding his feet
Martin Boulton
The Age
April 24, 2011
IN HIS fourth year at the club that gave birth to his AFL dream, Bachar Houli was faced with an agonising decision.
It was round 19 last year, the Bombers had just lost to arch rival Carlton and Houli was dumped from the team the following week. He'd played just five games that season and none between rounds five and 16.
Sent back to the VFL again by coach Matthew Knights, Houli confronted his own frustrations and opted for a change.
''Matthew Knights departed the club at the end of the season, but I made my decision way before,'' he said.
''I was frustrated, but it wasn't until Richmond approached me and said they were extremely keen and told me exactly where I'd fit in this team - that made my mind clear.''
Today will be Houli's fifth game in succession - the first time he's played at least five senior games in a row since his second year at Windy Hill, when he played every game between rounds one and eight.
Sidelined with osteitis pubis after round 11 that season, his career lurched between the VFL and the odd senior game over the next two years.
Looking back to the loss against Carlton last year when he again slipped out of the side, Houli knows he made the right career choice.
''There was no tension at all between me and Matthew - we had a meeting every two months, we'd chat and he'd tell me where I had to get better. I'd go away, play in the VFL and do everything to the best of my ability and go from there.
''I was getting the feedback I needed, I was doing everything I could on-field week after week and not seeing the result in terms of selection. Nothing against 'Knighter', but I thought it was time for me to look elsewhere and seek another opportunity.''
Houli said the appointment of former club great James Hird as the new coach forced him to again consider his football direction, but his mind had already been swayed enough by the Tigers' hierarchy.
''The picture they provided me was too hard to refuse, it was a dream come true to be honest and [coach] Damien Hardwick has stuck by his word, he's put confidence in me and I haven't looked back,'' Houli said.
In his four games this season Houli has averaged 16 disposals, but more importantly he's re-discovered his passion for the game and said playing senior footy each week allows him to ''put my best foot forward'' and build confidence.
Away from football, Houli, who turns 23 next month, is studying part-time, working part-time and occasionally ''getting away from it all'' to enjoy a few hours fishing on the ocean in his boat.
''You need balance because six days a week [is spent] at the club, but that's what we get paid to do. On my day off I like to get away in my little tinnie, relax and drop a fishing line. It's always good to get away and forget about everything.''
Playing alongside rising stars of the competition such as Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin and skipper Chris Newman has also fuelled Houli's resurgence.
The Tigers' thrilling draw with St Kilda in round two was a glimpse of what the team was about this year, he told The Sunday Age, but added there were no excuses for falling short of a win.
''The big thing for us is starting games well and we've put a big emphasis on that, but we've got a long way to go,'' he said.
''We've played four teams that will potentially [finish] in the top six and handled ourselves pretty well, but we should have a win or two on the board.
''The next four weeks is a massive block for us, we're going to try and get as many wins as possible and just play competitive footy.''
Individually, he aims to keep stringing games together and backing himself to do what he knows he's capable of at the highest level.
''It's all about confidence and any player would say the same.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/houli-finding-his-feet-20110423-1dsbq.html#ixzz1KMe98B2j
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Bachar has his best game for us tonight. Put his body in and stood up in that last quarter.
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Bachar has his best game for us tonight. Put his body in and stood up in that last quarter.
Good bumped threads yourself MT, :thumbsup. Great to see these players showing a bit.
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Bachar has his best game for us tonight. Put his body in and stood up in that last quarter.
Agreed. 2nd and 3rd quarters he was arguably our best player. Some crunching contact against bigger bodies too
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Robbo on Bachar Houli's game ....
Hardly an at-the-coal-face footballer, Houli showed yesterday that football teams need all types. He had 30 possessions, three of which were contested. Time and again he split North Melbourne down the middle of the ground and his gut-running wasn't lost on anyone. He did exactly what the Tigers recruited him to do: Get on the end of Cotchin, Martin and Co and get on the bike.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tackle
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Video of Bachar being interviewed after the North game...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/349689/default.aspx
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Was really good again tonight.
Been a good pick up, silencing some fortune tellers in previous posts.
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Was really good again tonight.
Been a good pick up, silencing some fortune tellers in previous posts.
Consistently getting a game at Richmond has obviously helped Houli's improvement too.
Thanks Bombers for the freebie in the PSD :wallywink.
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Has been great for us all year. :thumbsup
Dimma and the club have done well with this boy. Playing some great footy. :thumbsup
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Has settled in and really providing us with a lot of run and link. Great pickup by the club. Its so easy to forget hes only played 30odd games himself including only a few last season so he's still finding his feet at this level - very good signs
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Has settled in and really providing us with a lot of run and link. Great pickup by the club. Its so easy to forget hes only played 30odd games himself including only a few last season so he's still finding his feet at this level - very good signs
agreed :thumbsup :gotigers
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good kick. great to see him kick a goal
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Looks like Bachar is starting to feel more at home in our side. His clean skills stood out on a night when most of his teammates where fumbling the ball like it was a cake of soap.
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Looks like Bachar is starting to feel more at home in our side. His clean skills stood out on a night when most of his teammates where fumbling the ball like it was a cake of soap.
amazing how some players handle the ball and some players cant,
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There were many players who spilt marks, fumbled that normally you would expect them to hold, from both sides, just not as often from port. There were a number of times port got a man free and he missed the mark, luckily as they could have really calved us up if this did not happen.
I can tell you for a FACT! :banghead that the yellow ball in those conditions does become like a cake of soap!
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Houli earning his stripes
By Jason Phelan
Sun 29 May, 2011
IT CAN'T have been easy for Bachar Houli to look James Hird in the eye and tell the Essendon legend he didn't want to be part of his new regime but the 23-year-old is starting to reap the benefits of his bold decision.
After four years as a bit-part player under Kevin Sheedy then Matthew Knights, Houli was promised a fresh start at Windy Hill by Hird.
But the pent-up frustration born of working so hard to earn senior selection only to be cast back to the VFL ahead of so many others had taken its toll.
After 26 games as a Bomber, Houli wanted to swap his red sash for a yellow one and he wasn't going to be swayed.
Ten matches into the 2011 season if he's not feeling vindicated then he must be well on his way.
Houli, the 42nd pick at the 2006 NAB AFL Draft, has played every game for the Tigers this year and appears to have grown in confidence by the week.
Freed from the constant spectre of the selector's axe, he slowly built a base of form that saw him notch back-to-back 30-possession performances in the wins over North Melbourne and the Brisbane Lions.
Houli equalled his career-best tally of 31 disposals in Saturday night's loss to Port Adelaide and was among the team's best players in the warm, humid and slick conditions of tropical Darwin.
Not only did he get plenty of the ball, which he disposed of at an efficiency rating of 81 per cent, he also shut out Port small forward Cameron Hitchcock, who was subbed off in the third quarter.
Coach Damien Hardwick described him as a "great addition to our footy club" after Saturday's game.
If the work rate, poise and intensity he showed in Darwin is an indication of things to come then both parties are going to be happy Houli had the courage of his convictions for a long time yet.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/115001/default.aspx
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Houli earning his stripes
By Jason Phelan
Sun 29 May, 2011
IT CAN'T have been easy for Bachar Houli to look James Hird in the eye and tell the Essendon legend he didn't want to be part of his new regime but the 23-year-old is starting to reap the benefits of his bold decision.
After four years as a bit-part player under Kevin Sheedy then Matthew Knights, Houli was promised a fresh start at Windy Hill by Hird.
But the pent-up frustration born of working so hard to earn senior selection only to be cast back to the VFL ahead of so many others had taken its toll.
After 26 games as a Bomber, Houli wanted to swap his red sash for a yellow one and he wasn't going to be swayed.
Ten matches into the 2011 season if he's not feeling vindicated then he must be well on his way.
Houli, the 42nd pick at the 2006 NAB AFL Draft, has played every game for the Tigers this year and appears to have grown in confidence by the week.
Freed from the constant spectre of the selector's axe, he slowly built a base of form that saw him notch back-to-back 30-possession performances in the wins over North Melbourne and the Brisbane Lions.
Houli equalled his career-best tally of 31 disposals in Saturday night's loss to Port Adelaide and was among the team's best players in the warm, humid and slick conditions of tropical Darwin.
Not only did he get plenty of the ball, which he disposed of at an efficiency rating of 81 per cent, he also shut out Port small forward Cameron Hitchcock, who was subbed off in the third quarter.
Coach Damien Hardwick described him as a "great addition to our footy club" after Saturday's game.
If the work rate, poise and intensity he showed in Darwin is an indication of things to come then both parties are going to be happy Houli had the courage of his convictions for a long time yet.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/115001/default.aspx
Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhh!!!!!!!!! It wasn't fecking humid you fecking morons. :banghead
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Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhh!!!!!!!!! It wasn't fecking humid you fecking morons. :banghead
It certainly seemed it for those of us from the South smokey ;D
Thought Bachar was our best player last night by the length of the Darwin Int'l Airport runway :thumbsup
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Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhh!!!!!!!!! It wasn't fecking humid you fecking morons. :banghead
It certainly seemed it for those of us from the South smokey ;D
Thought Bachar was our best player last night by the length of the Darwin Int'l Airport runway :thumbsup
Was more humid in Melbourne WP.
And I agree about Houli!
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Bachar one of bests again. He's proving to be a good pick up and one of our best ball users by foot.
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Bachar one of bests again. He's proving to be a good pick up and one of our best ball users by foot.
he's been great. And if he keeps playing that good he can grow his beard as long as he likes. :thumbsup
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This guy is a hero.
Leads by example I think, it's now safe to say.
Doesn't just come good when the going is easy.
BC- ur a credit not only to yourself and the rfc but entire Muslim community.
Well done habibi!!
No I'm not Muslim.
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This guy is a hero.
Leads by example I think, it's now safe to say.
Doesn't just come good when the going is easy.
BC- ur a credit not only to yourself and the rfc but entire Muslim community.
Well done habibi!!
No I'm not Muslim.
Well said.
But why label him as Muslim?
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Because he does and it's something he's proud of, FFs!
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Good on ya Bachar.
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Another good game from a good player
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Because he does and it's something he's proud of, FFs!
Would you have said "ur a credit not only to yourself and the rfc but entire Methodist community."?
:help
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I liked him from his first game, he is a beatiful kick and has a calm head on his shoulders. To think we picked him up for virtually sweet F.A. and delivered a lovely elbow to the bombers chops to boot....
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Because he does and it's something he's proud of, FFs!
Would you have said "ur a credit not only to yourself and the rfc but entire Methodist community."?
:help
What's ur point and why do U give a eff?
Go out and instead of looking for a shItfight where there isn't one.
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he's a ripper kick, I once said he's the new boofa, ya know what, he will contribute more to the Y&B than boof ever did :shh
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Essendon must be spewing now. Another top game tonight from Bachar. Thanks for the freebie player Windy Hill ;D.
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gets better every week, love the ball in his hands :clapping
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jet - cant believe the improvement
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This guy is EVERYTHING Joel Bowden said he could be.
In my fave 5 players
Dusty
Cotch
Houli
Lids
Jak
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really really like Bachar Houli
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lol jak- he's better than his captain
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Love him, I want to grow a beard like him.
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Another great game. Has been fantastic.
Nice to see we got one right and Essendon currently will be spewing. MT I have been laughing thinking about that all day after watching Essendon lose to the Skataboners on Fox earlier. Knighter has paid us in spades on this one and it didn't cost us a thing and we picked up Helbig too ahead of them which if they played ball that's the pick we would have given them and who they were hoping to select. :lol :rollin :lol
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Bacher has been a huge bonus for us - add him to our Top 5 guns. We now have 6 class players who every side in the comp would have in their starting 18
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seems to be fitting in really well now. :cheers
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another good game
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Bacher Houli is a keeper.
Has probably been our most consistant player over the past 6 weeks or so.
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what a pick up fits in well.
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Another good game from Bachar
Oh how the Bumbling Bombers must think of "what if" :lol
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He will always be Tiven-Houli to me, but have to admit he has been 20 times the player I was expecting.
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Houli repays Tiger faith
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
1:00 PM Tue 21 Jun, 2011
Just past the midway mark of the 2011 season, a new contender has emerged for the dual unofficial titles of the AFL’s most improved player, and best recruit from a rival league club . . . Bachar Houli.
After managing just 26 games in his first four years of league football with Essendon, Houli has fully grasped the opportunity presented this season at his new club, Richmond, and is flourishing in his rebounding role off half-back.
The dashing left-footer is averaging 21.7 disposals per game and is ranked No. 5 at the Club for total disposals, with 261. He has collected 20 disposals or more six times, with a career equal-high 31 touches v Port Adelaide in the Round 10 Darwin clash.
“The atmosphere at the Club has been amazing, particularly from the boys themselves . . . they’ve made me feel really welcome, and I definitely feel at home,” Houli said at the outset of his league career at Tigerland.
“They have respected where I’ve come from, why I’ve come to the Club, and I haven’t looked back. “Everybody has contributed in making me feel so comfortable here.”
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/116756/default.aspx
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2011 AFL Pre Season Draft – A Reflection
By Ben Fullerton
Contestedfooty.com
June 24, 2011
Six players were picked up as a part of the 2011 AFL Pre Season Draft earlier this year. As we have just passed the midway part of the season it seems like a good time to pause and reflect on the performance of these players. Some have made a name for themselves and slotted nicely into the lists that chose them, whilst others are struggling to get a game. Below I have written a summary of each players progress.
Bachar Houli (Richmond) – Houli is probably the best pick of the pre season draft, repaying the faith shown in him by the Tigers. His talent has never been a question, and after leaving the Bombers at the end of last year he joined the Tigers in 2011. He has played every match this year and has averaged just over 21 disposals, with his run proving a welcome addition to a Tigers side on the rise.
Nathan Ablett (Gold Coast)
Blayne Wilson (West Coast)
Michael Hibberd (Essendon)
Cameron Bruce (Hawthorn)
John Anthony (Fremantle)
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2011/06/2011-afl-pre-season-draft-a-reflection/
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Interview with Bach
http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2051447529/Muslim-in-the-AFL
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Interview with Bach
http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2051447529/Muslim-in-the-AFL
Muslim role model Bachar Houli says his job is to educate
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
July 13, 2011
HE WAS recruited as the sort of player a coach dreams of.
Bachar Houli is a devout Muslim and does not drink, gamble or smoke.
The Richmond midfielder thrives on the social responsibilities and role-model status that come with being a Muslim in professional sport.
"I'm grateful for the position I've been put in. I've got a role to play and that is to educate others about the way I live and the belief system I follow," Houli said yesterday in the lead-up to the weekend's multicultural round.
"It's all about being proud of who you are and talking about it because a lot of people don't understand and it's about educating them that I've got a couple of different ways I go about life."
Houli's journey has been one of constant juggling between football and the faith he follows.
It started as an 11-year-old when he would sneak out of the family home to play the game he loved.
"Initially, I found it awkward and I was kind of scared because my parents weren't aware that I was going to play and they were really against it," he said.
"It was the old trick of putting the teddy bear underneath the blanket. I got away with it a few times, but it didn't last too long.
"Luckily my brother backed me up and said, 'You've got to let the kid play and enjoy what he's doing'."
Houli prays five times a day, including on match day when he will go into a little room under the stadium for five minutes before and after the game.
"All I need is a little space to do my thing. I perform one prayer before the game and if it clashes with another one I perform that prayer after the game," he said.
"With our religion it's all about cleanliness and being clean so coming in at halftime you're going to be quite sweaty and not smelling all that good. When we pray it's as if we're facing God, so we have to present ourselves in the best form."
Houli praised the Tigers and his former club Essendon for their understanding. He said: "They've both been very, very supportive. They have offered me a number of rooms to perform my prayers."
Ramadan presents arguably the biggest challenge to Houli. August is the Islamic month of fasting, in which Muslims refrain from eating and drinking during daylight.
"I just had a meeting with a fitness coach to discuss what's best in terms of training," he said. "They're very supportive in terms of limiting my program to a shorter day and lesser loads and stuff like that."
Watch Houli's interview with Tiffany Cherry as part of the Flash Footy series on Fox Sports 1 tonight from 7.30pm.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/muslim-role-model-bachar-houli-says-his-job-is-to-educate/story-e6frf9jf-1226093346290
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If he can't eat or drink during daylight hours for all of August ( WTF ? ) then I'd expect he'd be playing for Coburg coz you can't play professional football like that. Actually I think he'll be playing for Coburg by that time anyhow. Very ordinary player
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If he can't eat or drink during daylight hours for all of August ( WTF ? ) then I'd expect he'd be playing for Coburg coz you can't play professional football like that. Actually I think he'll be playing for Coburg by that time anyhow. Very ordinary player
I actually think he has been a shining light for the side this year and despite some poor moments, he has been tremendous to our depth and delivery off HB. I do agree with you regarding August though Black. Will prove a huge challenge to his stamina during a full game where endurance and fitness of a team/player can prove the difference in the last quarter. :-\
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I reckon he's been alright too Stripes. He runs, he hits targets by foot. Not a flawless player by any means, but definitely an upgrade on most of our list.
He hasn't played at AFL level during Ramadan before. Will be interesting to see how he goes.
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no heart unfortunately
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no heart unfortunately
No doubt about it JT and also he's horrendous whenever he even senses a tackle coming. He has no pace to escape so he just falls over and hands it to his opponent....every time ! As we saw in the most emabarrassing fashion on Sat nite.
He's played a few ok games though. Usually when we're winning
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His best game was against Port when we were getting our pants pulled down. One of the only blokes to show any heart.
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His best game was against Port when we were getting our pants pulled down.
I knew someone would bring that up ;D Gotta get up pretty early to catch you out lol. That was his best game.
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His ball use is one of the main reasons we are in the top 3 teams for efficiency via foot
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Houli prepares for Ramadan
By Luke Holmesby
Wed 13 Jul, 2011
RICHMOND'S Bachar Houli has spoken about the unique challenges facing a Muslim player in the AFL.
Speaking at a breakfast to celebrate AFL's multicultural round, Houli says he is preparing himself for Ramadan, the Islamic month for fasting while fulfilling his duties with the Tigers.
Houli says he has been fasting for two days a week in the lead-up to the ninth month of the Islamic calendar, which begins on August 1 this year.
"In terms of training and playing, I'm still trying to work on it. Yesterday I caught up with our fitness coach and we were trying to work out what would suit me," Houli said.
"I don't want the program to change because of me. I want to be at the club as long as I can and I don't want to take a short cut. That's my nature, I try to do everything to the best of my ability."
Houli said his body can cope with the change in his diet and that preparation and planning was the key.
"I started fasting two months ago and what I've been doing is fasting two days a week so I can get used to this month," he said.
"Because to take on the month all at once can be quite tough, so I've prepared myself just like you'd prepare yourself for a match."
Houli spoke at the breakfast along with former Essendon teammate Nathan Lovett-Murray, Collingwood's Harry O'Brien, AFL General Manager Football Operations Adrian Anderson and local footballer Jamie Pi.
He said teammates from his junior and senior careers had supported and taken a great interest in his Muslim faith.
"The reason we fast is we feel for the poor, those who struggle for food every day. The other reason is it is a month of worship. If you are a sinner, it's a chance to turn back and repent," he said.
"It's one of the most scientifically proven diets. I had a few teammates at Essendon who tried it but they didn't last too long. I've been doing it for 12 years."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118439/default.aspx
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Houli prepares for Ramadan
By Luke Holmesby
Wed 13 Jul, 2011
"In terms of training and playing, I'm still trying to work on it.
"I don't want the program to change because of me."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118439/default.aspx
Hmmmm
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His best game was against Port when we were getting our pants pulled down. One of the only blokes to show any heart.
got a new fav player i see. jumped off ShEds wagon?
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nah still on the schulz express
toot toot
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you, me and the power bogans, yieew
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meh im off to glass some pricks down at a local beer barn
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more like throw some cinnamon at someone down at the local donut king
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nah im working on my power bogan this week
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wheres jordy mcmahon very similar players atm. we used to rip into mcnothing for not having a defensive side to his game for failing to win his own ball and of course the turnovers. ah well one out of three aint bad with houli.to me the only redeeming feature houli has atm is he uses the ball well and provides run. wouldnt it be nice just once if we got a well rounded reject to our club.
while on the topic no way should he be playing in the backline. 5kg to light so cant compete in one on ones and no accountability.
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Get of his back kiddies.
He turns up and ends up having to play and think for half the shitmen on the field.
So he fell over and was pinged.....Pffft.
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Get of his back kiddies.
He turns up and ends up having to play and think for half the shitmen on the field.
So he fell over and was pinged.....Pffft.
Yep, he looked up and saw 17 y&b witches hats, tried to buy time and slipped.
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Get of his back kiddies.
He turns up and ends up having to play and think for half the shitmen on the field.
So he fell over and was pinged.....Pffft.
Yep, he looked up and saw 17 y&b witches hats, tried to buy time and slipped.
Yep get over it.
Edwards is a momentum killer every week.
Jako couldn't kick to hit a side of a barn. A large one.
Yet Bachar b/c he has come from another club who has been serviceable this year by the way gets a bum rap yet blokes on our list for five and seven years who make the same errors week in and week out are seen as the clubs saviours. Please.............
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Get of his back kiddies.
He turns up and ends up having to play and think for half the shitmen on the field.
So he fell over and was pinged.....Pffft.
Yep, he looked up and saw 17 y&b witches hats, tried to buy time and slipped.
Yep get over it.
Edwards is a momentum killer every week.
Jako couldn't kick to hit a side of a barn. A large one.
Yet Bachar b/c he has come from another club who has been serviceable this year by the way gets a bum rap yet blokes on our list for five and seven years who make the same errors week in and week out are seen as the clubs saviours. Please.............
na he does some things well and other things poorly hes a typical richmond glass half full or empty.while we have so many who cant kick he stands out and gets a game. id go so far to say we dont have one player under 6ft who is up to standard. thank god he can kick.
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your search for a team of perfect players will send you insane craw.
plenty of glass half full players have premiership medallions, and even quite a few glass nearly empties.
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your search for a team of perfect players will send you insane craw.
plenty of glass half full players have premiership medallions, and even quite a few glass nearly empties.
nope im already insane thats what glass half fulls do to ya.
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We need more wogs in the team. Time to silk things up.
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for what its worth after a few ordinary weeks.
thought Bachar was one of a few who had a crack yesterday
A reject from another club shows most of the team how it should be done
No frills, but got the job done yesterday
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for what its worth after a few ordinary weeks.
thought Bachar was one of a few who had a crack yesterday
A reject from another club shows most of the team how it should be done
No frills, but got the job done yesterday
Agree - has been very good for us this year.
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I read with great interest that Houli personally referred 70 new members to the club as part of operation 10,000
Thats a massive tick for the guy if you ask me. Why did he do it? I think he respects and cares for our club.
On and off the field the guy is a gem, Dimma has had a massive win here in my opinion.
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A matter of faith
Jake Niall
August 7, 2011
Despite being a player with limitations, Tiger Bachar Houli is a true role model.
EARLIER this season, Bachar Houli stood before his Tiger teammates and gave them a brief crash course in Islam. He told them about Ramadan, which began last Monday and which typically involves fasting until the sun goes down.
He fielded questions and, in response to a query about Osama bin Laden - who was then still alive - Houli made clear to the players that violent bin Ladenism wasn't what his faith was about. Islam, he said, was about love.
The players were told how Houli's faith lacked the hierarchical structure of some religions. It had no papal authority or bishop at the top and the local mosque had a large degree of autonomy. Hence, Houli can gain some dispensation for Ramadan, drinking sufficient water and eating enough food to allow him to play football. It is inconceivable how any athletes could function at an elite level without imbibing or eating anything before dusk.
The players were impressed by the presentation and asked plenty of questions. Houli is open about his faith, rather than private. He isn't the first Muslim to play in the VFL/AFL - Melbourne's Adem Yze and Bulldog Sedat Sir are among a small number to precede him - but he is considered the most observant Muslim to have played footy at the highest level.
Houli is married, doesn't drink and has the discipline of a young man who prays several times a day. He is one of the last players the Tigers will have to worry about finding in the back of a divvy van at 3.30am. His religion, indeed, could be seen as an advantage in today's AFL, which almost demands a monastic lifestyle of its players, given the rigours of training and the new puritanism.
When Richmond recruited him from Essendon, he went straight to the club's shop and bought about 40 memberships for family and friends. As a Richmond official noted, ''when you get Bachar, you get the whole clan''.
Although he is not as well known as Chris Judd, Gary Ablett or even rugby league convert Karmichael Hunt, it's arguable that Houli may be the most important contemporary role model in the AFL, given the vexed politics surrounding his faith. To Richmond fans and a good number of supporters of other teams - especially the shrewd judges who've picked him in dream teams - he may be the most recognisable and well-regarded Muslim; in some cases, he would be the only Muslim they feel any connection with.
It hardly needs to be pointed out that Islam has been the subject of considerable fear and loathing in this country for the past decade, the religion's image battered by the September 11, Bali and London atrocities and the fear of Lebanese gangs in Sydney's west. For the AFL, Houli's crossover role is somewhat comparable to the Lebanese surf lifesavers who were introduced to Cronulla in the wake of the beach riot - a figure, who by melding into an iconic Aussie pastime/game, brings his minority group into the mainstream in two ways.
First, he becomes a model for Muslims, who hitherto have had less affinity with football. Waleed Aly, the politics academic, Muslim and devout Tigers fan (he is on the board of the Tigers Community Foundation), said of Houli: ''His impact on the Muslim community has been enormous.'' Aly, who knew Houli as a Western Jet before he was drafted by Essendon in 2006, said the running defender had shown local Lebanese Muslims that ''they had a stake here [in football] and it was possible'' to be a Muslim footballer at the top level. Kids from his background in Melbourne would take a greater interest in the game.
Aly noted that whereas the late ''Crazy John'' Illhan, the highly successful and visible Turkish-Muslim businessman, had traded his exotic first name ''Mustafa'' for ''John'', Houli had remained identifiably Muslim. ''He hasn't had to trade in being a Muslim for success.''
The second, more crucial way that Houli changes perceptions is by normalising, or Australianising, a Muslim in the eyes of the multitudes who have negative views of the religion. It is a function that test cricketer Usman Khawaja performs on the national stage. In Sydney's west, rugby league champion Hazem El Masri, also a devout Lebanese Muslim, became the highest points scorer in NRL history and was a prominent voice of moderation in the wake of the Cronulla riot.
But Houli isn't a superstar of his sport like El Masri or Khawaja (simply to play test cricket defines a player as elite). His limitations as a footballer - despite a pretty good season - also place some limits on his potency as a role model. While Michael Long's historic importance rests more on his role in changing attitudes to indigenous footballers (and people) than what he did on the field, his stature as an elite, exciting player gave him the platform to be a spokesman. The Long reach was greater because he was a great player. Houli is no champion of the game, but, as his teammates discovered, he is a champion of his people.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a-matter-of-faith-20110806-1igvu.html#ixzz1UH9G30pg
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did ok against the weagles. has some faults but overall a pretty good pick up.
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did ok against the weagles. has some faults but overall a pretty good pick up.
I think he has been the most consistent recruit who has had the biggest impact of all the players Richmond brought in this year. Like many others, he gets a bum steer by some supporters, but I have been genuinely impressed by his footskills and run and carry this year.
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Really like him as a player and seems like a genuinely decent bloke all round. When I was a linguist in the navy, I had to learn about Islam as well, and it is quite interesting. Media propaganda and cultural issues often get woven together and confused with the actual religion.
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Agree impressed by him. good pick up.
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The best of Bachar Houli (RFC video)
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/380573/bachar-houli-highlights/ (http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/380573/bachar-houli-highlights/)
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xodsPPbN4Xg&feature=player_profilepage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xodsPPbN4Xg&feature=player_profilepage)
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"And on Sunday, a Richmond supporter claimed to have heard a Tigers fan call Bachar Houli a "terrorist", among other words."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-players-in-campaign-to-help-weed-out-feral-fans/story-e6frf9jf-1226115561647
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i doubt it was prob not even a tiger fan just like that fool that spat on spud
last i knew houli was a footballer not a terrorist, but i must say he did terrorize the swans on sunday day ;D
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last i knew houli was a footballer not a terrorist, but i must say he did terrorize the swans on sunday day ;D
:clapping :clapping
I'll pay that one :thumbsup
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I hope this buries all that crap people have been saying about Ramadan
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was prob not even a tiger fan just like that fool that spat on spud
You know him then?
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I read that he wasn't either, just some prick who joined in. Cannot confirm, cannot even remember where I read it. I think he was from Brisbane?
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I read that he wasn't either, just some prick who joined in. Cannot confirm, cannot even remember where I read it. I think he was from Brisbane?
Yes Owl, from Brisbane. A lifelong Richmond supporter who was on a cricket trip to Melbourne and went to see them live. Got totally carried away (as we all have done at times in our lives) and now regrets it very deeply, embarrassment and shame are 2 words he uses when talking about it. I can never condone what he did but I know the guy personally and know that he is very remorseful (as he you would hope any half decent person would be). Was only early 20's at the time and I challenge anyone to say they haven't done a complete stupid act of some sort that they later regret, at a similar young age.
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So true Smokey but Dan Jackson does stupid acts on the field almost every week, do we have to forgive him too? :-\
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So true Smokey but Dan Jackson does stupid acts on the field almost every week, do we have to forgive him too? :-\
Jako is early 20's also. Forget about butchering the ball, he gives away at least one stupid, undisciplined unnecessary free a week. :-\
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What great skills! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Not enough said in media about that tackle Houli put on Goodes in the 4th quarter. It was brilliant
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I read that he wasn't either, just some prick who joined in. Cannot confirm, cannot even remember where I read it. I think he was from Brisbane?
Yes Owl, from Brisbane. A lifelong Richmond supporter who was on a cricket trip to Melbourne and went to see them live. Got totally carried away (as we all have done at times in our lives) and now regrets it very deeply, embarrassment and shame are 2 words he uses when talking about it. I can never condone what he did but I know the guy personally and know that he is very remorseful (as he you would hope any half decent person would be). Was only early 20's at the time and I challenge anyone to say they haven't done a complete stupid act of some sort that they later regret, at a similar young age.
remember the outcry at the time and the witch hunt to find out who the "spitter" was. gee the game gets to serious some times, ok what the guy did was wrong but people where wanting to linch the guy at the time. :help
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Not enough said in media about that tackle Houli put on Goodes in the 4th quarter. It was brilliant
Agreed ! I got goosebumps! ALso the other tackle he laid in the centre square and almost got holding the ball
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I read that he wasn't either, just some prick who joined in. Cannot confirm, cannot even remember where I read it. I think he was from Brisbane?
Yes Owl, from Brisbane. A lifelong Richmond supporter who was on a cricket trip to Melbourne and went to see them live. Got totally carried away (as we all have done at times in our lives) and now regrets it very deeply, embarrassment and shame are 2 words he uses when talking about it. I can never condone what he did but I know the guy personally and know that he is very remorseful (as he you would hope any half decent person would be). Was only early 20's at the time and I challenge anyone to say they haven't done a complete stupid act of some sort that they later regret, at a similar young age.
Fair enough. I know we all do stupid stuff, most of us are lucky enough to avoid tv cameras when we do it I spose lol. I have a teenage son so forgiveness for acts of stupidity is kinda mandatory for me.
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So true Smokey but Dan Jackson does stupid acts on the field almost every week, do we have to forgive him too? :-\
One or two stupid acts is forgivable, multiple ongoing stupidity is another thing and from experience I think that one is reserved for parents forgiving children! ;D
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I have a teenage son so forgiveness for acts of stupidity is kinda mandatory for me.
:lol I hadn't read your post when I replied to HRT. Spot on! :thumbsup
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Thats a fair highlights package. some players couldn't put that together in a year, let alone a week.
classy player
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So true Smokey but Dan Jackson does stupid acts on the field almost every week, do we have to forgive him too? :-\
One or two stupid acts is forgivable, multiple ongoing stupidity is another thing and from experience I think that one is reserved for parents forgiving children! ;D
Can we add 3 yo's to that?
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if he doesnt come at least runner up b & f then it's racism.
Better than deledio this year.
Stands up when the others are baking cakes to Taio Cruze
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Love this bloke has been all class this year.That run from the backhalf against the crows was awsome.I reckon we havent seen the best of him yet got so much upside.
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It looks like Hardwick will make a footballer out bachar. Particularly in the last month you can see the improvement in his one on work work and tackling. He is no longer going to ground too easily and at least creating a stoppage on many occasions.
skills are just silky - has been a great pick up :thumbsup
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I reckon he's getting a little harder too. Been taking some big knocks recently and getting right back up.
onya Bachar!
great pickup by the club. :thumbsup
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Win the b&f, Bachar :clapping
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Houli earns his stripes
richmondfc.com.au
10:37 PM Sun 04 Sep, 2011
"It's always tough to be accepted by a new playing group," Houli said after Richmond rounded out its campaign with a 13-point loss to North Melbourne.
"But I got respect from everyone around the club from the moment I walked into the club because I offered that respect to them.
"I'm so excited to have played 22 games and to have had an injury-free season, and I'm hoping to build on that next year.
"It takes a few games to get your confidence up, so I started the season a bit slow.
"But the coaches had a lot of trust in me, and they said my form would turn around, and after the first few rounds I really think I played consistent footy.
"I've really enjoyed this season and I just can't wait for next year."
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/122678/default.aspx
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We get a player for nothing from another club and he shows everyone how the game should be played.great year by Bachar.supporters love him.even chases his own ball. .well done
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Have to admit hes been very good in his first season at Richmond
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Love him.
Get stuffed Essendon
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We get a player for nothing from another club and he shows everyone how the game should be played.great year by Bachar.supporters love him.even chases his own ball. .well done
Love Bacher, take it Hird
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Richmond's Bachar Houli was a surprise nomination as an elite [by Champion Data], but while his data sample was small, his five games for Essendon in 2010 were solid and his numbers at the Tigers this year don't lie.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/stats-show-hawthorn-has-the-most-talent-laden-list/story-e6frf9jf-1226224741457
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With Ellis. Morris. Dea. You would think houli will be asked to move up to wing/forward line.
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Richmond's Bachar Houli was a surprise nomination as an elite [by Champion Data], but while his data sample was small, his five games for Essendon in 2010 were solid and his numbers at the Tigers this year don't lie.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/stats-show-hawthorn-has-the-most-talent-laden-list/story-e6frf9jf-1226224741457
:shh
Jimmy goldenballs gave the one of the only two elite players to Richmond for free. :shh :shh
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With Ellis. Morris. Dea. You would think houli will be asked to move up to wing/forward line.
I think running defender role is the perpect position for Houli. It exploits all of his strengths and allows him to move up to the wing to penetrate the F50 on the attack. Not a real in and under type but has beautiful poise and skills. Has more run than Dea though Morris could be great here too unless the coaches are grooming hom for the midfield rotations.
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I thought Morris was a back pocket?
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Morris. Rance. Grimes
Ellis. Post. Batchelor.
Even without dea if Ellis is in the side the is only 3 spots in the backline. ( or even of he isn't. You'd assume we'd play ey least 3 kpp).
It's a good sign to find new back man and more our better players (deledio,
Newman, houli, conca) into more forward/midrotation
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I think Newman would move before Houli, purely because Newman would work better there.
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I think running defender role is the perpect position for Houli. It exploits all of his strengths and allows him to move up to the wing to penetrate the F50 on the attack. Not a real in and under type but has beautiful poise and skills. Has more run than Dea though Morris could be great here too unless the coaches are grooming hom for the midfield rotations.
I'm a big fan of Houli off the bank flank too. Mind you, if someone like Ellis was able to in time play to the level of Houli, I'd love to see him play off a wing as well. Though I still think he's one of the best we have for the HBF job at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xodsPPbN4Xg I love at 0:50 how he first dealt with his immediate opponent, then accelerated for some room and then looked up to assess the options instead of just blazing away. And I reckon it's pretty vivid in most people's memories, but the goal at 1:10 :cheers
The Bummer tards at work still reckon Houli is a dud.
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:lol poor simple fools.
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Great vid
Reminding me of a great game, was great weather that arvo and took my duaghter to her first game ;D
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Houli happy in new home
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Fri 30 Dec, 2011
The following article was featured in the 2011 Fighting Tiger Yearbook.
It was just as well Bachar Houli invited two tables full of family and friends to the Richmond Best and Fairest this year.
Richmond’s 2010 pre-season draft recruit didn’t turn up to Crown Palladium anticipating a top-five finish in the Jack Dyer Medal, but by the end of the night, after a whirlwind first season at Tigerland, he was on the stage accepting the Fred Swift Medal for his fourth placing.
“To be honest, it was probably one of the greatest moments of my life,” Houli said.
“Footy is not an individual sport, but to come from another club, play 22 games, and achieve what I did, is hard to describe.
“I’m rapt to be recognised in the top five this year, but I know I haven’t reached my peak yet, and I want to do everything I can to help Richmond achieve success.”
Read more and full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/127592/default.aspx
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Number one in the time trial.
Seriously this guy is quickly becoming almost my favourite Tiger.
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Number one in the time trial.
Seriously this guy is quickly becoming almost my favourite Tiger.
you sincerely sound like your almost making a partial comittment there
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Expect a massive year from my mate.
He does all the right things and is disciplined beyond the average anglo-christian.
Lets have Ramadan for 8 months this year,better still,Ramadan is the perfect pre season.
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Lets have Ramadan for 8 months this year,better still,Ramadan is the perfect pre season.
:lol
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by Anglo - christian do you just mean those with Angle genes or does it include Saxon and Jute, Norman, Gallo-Roman, Vaegir, Swaedia, Dane, Gaelic and are also Christian as it is sometimes used to generalise for whites who came from Britain which includes the above genetic prophiles in abundance. It makes it hard to average out also so I have nfi what you mean in your racist statement. I also will point out that the system in which he lives is one that was established by the above people and that just because your a lazy dope smoking layabout, doesn't mean that the rest of us are.
Cheers.
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In simple terms he means non wogs.
am i allowed to say that?
ah well, i did :outtahere
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In simple terms he means non wogs.
am i allowed to say that?
ah well, i did :outtahere
So whats classified as a 'wog' these days?
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i mean westerners.....infidels.......the Unchosen.
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In simple terms he means non wogs.
am i allowed to say that?
ah well, i did :outtahere
So whats classified as a 'wog' these days?
any one that is not anglo saxon........... ;D
(or asian i suppose)
as a side note, there doesnt seem to be any real agreement on the origin of the word wog.
I was once told by a friend that her father was in the middle east just after the war and the locals working for the poms had WOGS on their shirts, standing for Workers On Government Service, and that was the origin of the term.
If correct it definitely refers to those of middle east origin.
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I thought it referred to something you caught that made you crook, like a cold. :huh
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Funnily enough, that use is probably a truly derogatory term.
I may have to ring up Rolly Sussex the ABC's resident linguist about this...
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Western oriental gentleman, referring to those of middle eastern origin.
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i remember that from our school dictionary, but never really felt it to be correct.
I have never heard of someone refer to an asian as a wog, ever.
middle east is different to the western orient...isn't it?
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No in Britain they refer to Indians as Asians. Asians as Orientals. Everything East of Europe is the Orient. Asia minor, Central Asia and so forth. Central Asia includes areas that had proto European groups that have since merged with Arabic groups, Turkic peoples etc. The Tamar and the Turkic peoples actually were displaced from the East coast of China, by the Chinese and were probably the Indo Japanese people known as the Ainu, they are genetically related to caucasians and not Asians.
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india is regarded as part of asia, not just in GB either.
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according to wikipedia, the middle east "is a region that encompasses Western Asia and Northern Africa"
so there you go, not that that clears things up too much
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just to muddy the waters a bit more ;D
For example, the borders of Central Asia and the Middle East depend on who is defining them and for what purpose
aggh, enough geography anyway, before i incur the wrath of the mods
:outtahere
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aggh, enough geography anyway, before i incur the wrath of the mods
:outtahere
:yep
Yep back to some footy discussion regarding Bachar :thumbsup
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Expect a massive year from my mate.
He does all the right things and is disciplined beyond the average anglo-christian.
Lets have Ramadan for 8 months this year,better still,Ramadan is the perfect pre season.
Yep agree, the Bumbers are really going to regret losing him, I reckon he will have a brilliant year...primed...
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Yep agree, the Bumbers are really going to regret losing him, I reckon he will have a brilliant year...primed...
Best thing about it is Essendon allowed Houli to walk to us for free and we picked up Helbig with the pick they wouldn't accept via a trade. Thanks Hirdy ;D.
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Yep agree, the Bumbers are really going to regret losing him, I reckon he will have a brilliant year...primed...
Best thing about it is Essendon allowed Houli to walk to us for free and we picked up Helbig with the pick they wouldn't accept via a trade. Thanks Hirdy ;D.
That was without doubt a blunder of Frawley proportions.
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Yep agree, the Bumbers are really going to regret losing him, I reckon he will have a brilliant year...primed...
Best thing about it is Essendon allowed Houli to walk to us for free and we picked up Helbig with the pick they wouldn't accept via a trade. Thanks Hirdy ;D.
Well in all honesty with our um.....unfortunate.....past trading and recruiting mistakes or bad luck we did eventually need something to go our way.... :thumbsup
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The difference is though WAT, there was a system to getting Houli. It wasnt just dumb luck.
I do wonder how much of this we have to thank Knighter for. Was he in on it too? :shh
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That you BJ??? :shh
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;) :shh
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Yep agree, the Bumbers are really going to regret losing him, I reckon he will have a brilliant year...primed...
Best thing about it is Essendon allowed Houli to walk to us for free and we picked up Helbig with the pick they wouldn't accept via a trade. Thanks Hirdy ;D.
Made all the more sweeter by the fact the Dons were looking a drafting Helbig too ;D
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if ones was to adhere to geographic categorisation,then Indigenous Australians are asian.
In fact,Australians are Asian....unless of course you're stupid enough to think we're that special, we can afford to make imaginary exceptions to the rules....like the americans. ::)
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Oh well call me thick :P
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Anyway as Wanda says on cye "If we all keep stuffing each other we are gunna end up all the same race on day anyway"
So then it will come down to religious grouping, of which I will exist in the none folder.
Sall crap anyway ....
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:lol
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The difference is though WAT, there was a system to getting Houli. It wasnt just dumb luck.
I do wonder how much of this we have to thank Knighter for. Was he in on it too? :shh
I know it wasn't dumb luck Al, but it was luck that gave the bumbers nothing for him.
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The difference is though WAT, there was a system to getting Houli. It wasnt just dumb luck.
I do wonder how much of this we have to thank Knighter for. Was he in on it too? :shh
I know it wasn't dumb luck Al, but it was luck that gave the bumbers nothing for him.
I thought it was sheer stubbornness!
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The difference is though WAT, there was a system to getting Houli. It wasnt just dumb luck.
I do wonder how much of this we have to thank Knighter for. Was he in on it too? :shh
I know it wasn't dumb luck Al, but it was luck that gave the bumbers nothing for him.
I thought it was sheer stubbornness!
Agree Y&BB, nothing to do with luck, all to do with arrogance and rampant stupidity on the Bummers behalf.
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Burning Question No. 5: Bachar Houli
By Tony Greenberg
10:39 AM Fri 10 Feb, 2012
In the countdown to bouncedown season 2012, Tony Greenberg continues his examination on richmondfc.com.au of the burning questions on the lips of Tiger fans. Today’s question is . . .
Can Bachar Houli continue to repay Richmond’s faith in him?
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/128791/default.aspx
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these Burning Questions are gay
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I prefer burning people in my wicker man, stuff this question.
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Is this question a crack at Bacher for being a Muslim?
>:(
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Is this question a crack at Bacher for being a Muslim?
>:(
Im not sure if it was intended, but i think its reasonable to say the use of the word 'faith' in this context is not PC and personally offensive.
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Disgraceful.
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Lets burn greenberg
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Is he really Bojangles? If so I'd like to hear his version of events regarding this article.
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Players lead multicultural charge
Caroline Wilson
February 15, 2012
Nine footballers have been employed by the AFL under a new, expanded multicultural program.
Daw, Nic Naitanui, Leigh Montagna and Bachar Houli will all be paid outside the salary cap to head up the program, under which the competition will continue to focus on winning the hearts and minds of Australia's multicultural community.
That core group will be joined by Harry O'Brien, David Rodan, former NRL duo Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau, along with Hunt's young Nigerian-born teammate Joel Wilkinson.
The AFL has identified that multicultural footballers make up about 10 per cent of 2012 club lists - roughly the same as the percentage of indigenous players.
Under a deal in partnership with Australia Post and encouraged by the completion of the new collective bargaining agreement Daw, Naitanui, Montagna, Houli and O'Brien will earn an estimated total $170,000 outside the salary cap in their ambassadorial work.
Richmond's Houli has been employed to help develop AFL programs across Victoria's six Muslim schools attended by about 15,000 children. The only practising Muslim in the league last season, he has been joined in 2012 by St Kilda recruit Ahmed Saad, who will almost certainly make his senior debut this year.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/players-lead-multicultural-charge-20120214-1t46g.html#ixzz1mNYxF33i
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Bachar continues to show the way
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 28 Feb, 2012
It’s been less than 15 months since Bachar Houli arrived at Richmond from Essendon, but in the time since, his overall contribution to the Yellow and Black cause has been immense.
In the lead-up to the 2011 season, Houli convinced a combined total of 70 family members and friends to follow his fortunes at his new football home by signing up as Richmond members.
He then proceeded to well and truly repay their, and the Tigers’, faith in him, producing a fine season of football in a sweeping role across half-back, to finish fourth in the Jack Dyer Medal.
Far from resting on his laurels after the impressive instant impact he had at Tigerland, Houli has taken his persuasive powers to another level, signing a grand total of 94 family members and friends as 2012 Richmond members.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/129692/default.aspx
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This fellow has great character and maturity for his age. Just gets the best out of himself and acts as a great role model on and off the field for the young fellows. I hope he makes the rebounding backman role his this year.
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Should be in the leadership group IMHO
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Should be in the leadership group IMHO
I agree, maybe next year :thumbsup
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Should be in the leadership group IMHO
I disagree ;D Would take him over Jacko though.
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Snip! Stick to the topic ppl!
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Good family man :thumbsup
Respects his mother
<3 the BASH
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After reportedly burning the track up this summer i reckon Bash has been pretty underwhelming in the NAB games. Hopefully lifts against the Cats.
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Wouldn't worry about it with so many blokes being rotated through half back at the moment.
Will come good. A game like today's will be perfect place to start for him.
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It's all relative as Tiger Houli says thanks
Caroline Wilson
The Age
March 14, 2012
(http://images.theage.com.au/2012/03/13/3123600/houli-family-420x0.jpg)
Richmond player Bachar Houli with dozens of the 100 family members he has signed up as Richmond members. Photo: Jason South
THE word ''faith'' comes up often when Richmond's Bachar Houli speaks about his new role as the AFL's Muslim ambassador.
But it was faith of a different kind that led to the 23-year-old breaking yet another barrier yesterday when his personal quest to say thank you to his new club saw Houli sign up his 100th relative as a Tigers member.
He assembled much of his clan for The Age at sunset on the eve of becoming one of 10 footballing ambassadors for a series of AFL multicultural campaigns aimed at attracting more teenagers from non-traditional football backgrounds to the game and promoting it generally among diverse communities.
While indigenous Australians make up 10 per cent of club lists, a further 10 per cent of players come from multicultural backgrounds.
Last season Houli was the only practising Muslim in the AFL, and he is regarded as the most observant to have played at elite level.
''I wanted to thank the club for the faith they showed in me,'' he said. ''And I also wanted to thank them for the way they have honoured my faith.
''There is a prayer room for me at the club. They make allowances for me during Ramadan and they provide halal food at the club and organise it when we travel.''
Houli not only addressed the entire playing list and the Richmond staff last year about what it meant to be a Muslim but he did so again not long ago to the Tigers' new recruits.
''Everyone at Richmond has shown a lot of interest in what it means to be a Muslim,'' he said, ''and it has meant a lot to me to explain to them that most of us are not fanatics and that those people are a minority doing terrible things because they have become twisted in some way.''
A large chunk of his extended family - most of whom do not normally barrack for Richmond - met at his old school, al-Taqwa College, in Truganina. Houli has been employed by the AFL to develop programs there and across Victoria's five other Muslim schools, attended by about 15,000 children.
''We need more Muslims playing football and we need more Africans playing football,'' he said. ''This is a great game and if I can do my bit I will be very proud.''
Houli has been joined this season by fellow Muslim and St Kilda recruit Ahmed Saad, who will also be a multicultural ambassador as will other players including Majak Daw, Nic Naitanui and Leigh Montagna.
Houli agreed with his trademark smile that it is fortuitous having the month of Ramadan fall over July-August this year, meaning the hours between sunrise and sunset when he must fast are fewer than they might be otherwise. The club last season made allowances, excusing him, for example, from certain arduous training sessions during daylight hours.
Of Houli's 100 relatives now financially aligned to Tigerland, only three - his parents Malek and Yamama and wife, Rouba - were paid for by him. Malek Houli came to Australia from Lebanon as a 19-year-old and now runs the family fish shop.
Bachar was 11 when an older brother (he has six siblings, the eldest of whom is a surgeon ) secretly drove him to an under 12s game in a football competition in Melbourne's west. Just as Houli hid his football involvement from his parents for an entire season - he was caught out when he arrived home clutching a best and fairest trophy under his jumper - he also hid his faith for years from teammates.
The turning point came when he toured with the Victorian under-16 team. He was captain and neither overly shy nor extroverted, so the team manager placed him with the quietest and loudest two players in a bedroom.
''I realised that having to pray five times a day was not something I could hide,'' recalled Houli. ''On the first night I asked them to turn off the television and I explained it all to them. They were so interested and it was like a load had lifted off my shoulders.''
He described a meeting with Richmond's then new coach, Damien Hardwick, at the end of 2010 as another key turning point. He had endured a frustrating season at Essendon in which he never felt clear as to why he was being overlooked for senior selection, but Hardwick sat Houli down in a room at Punt Road and drew him a diagram.
''He had my old No. 43 on a wing and he said to me: 'That's where I'll play you for 22 games next year.' He kept his promise about the 22 games, although I still haven't played on the wing. I'm not saying I've made it, but I am just so happy I have come to this club.''
Houli said as much at last year's Richmond best and fairest celebrations, at which he bought two tables for his family and finished fourth in the count. He reiterated that Essendon too had happily made accommodations for his faith but said then that he wanted to repay the Tigers for believing in him.
Houli said he had some sympathy for Sudanese-born North Melbourne rookie Majak Daw - recently suspended by the Kangaroos for lying to coach Brad Scott.
He said he had spoken with the disappointed Daw several times since Daw's public humiliation. ''I just told him to stick with it, because he's been doing it tough.''
The multicultural program launch came in a week in which Liam Jurrah's plight has thrust the indigenous debate firmly into the public spotlight. The AFL has become increasingly concerned that some club recruiters are looking for excuses not to choose players from troubled backgrounds.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said yesterday: ''If we started not recruiting people in employment because of their background, or where they came from was too hard, then I'd have grave fears for this country. We are a much better industry because of the diverse nature of the player population … We're a much better country.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/its-all-relative-as-tiger-houli-says-thanks-20120313-1uyiz.html#ixzz1p11rtb8r
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Legend :clapping
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Stuff I love this guy!! He not only loves his footy but also loves his club! He talks the talk and walks the walk! :thumbsup :thumbsup :bow :clapping
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Sensational stuff!
Bachar is certainly putting his heart & soul into the club, which is a great example to us all.
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In 2011, Houli referred about 70 of his family and friends as Tiger members, as part of ‘Operation 10,000’.
This year, he has already reached triple figures, referring his 100th member early this week.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/130656/default.aspx
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He really appreciates every second he has playing for our great club and puts everything into it. Is a huge role-model for the rest of the squad and society in general. Another example of fantastic recruitment by our current administration :thumbsup
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Nah, haven't you read all the posts Stripes? Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron are totally to blame for our lack of premiership success thus far and must have totally lucked onto Houli.
::)
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STFU Smokey. Craig Cameron is a dud ;D
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He really appreciates every second he has playing for our great club and puts everything into it.
Houli was on Ch 7 news praising Richmond as the club that's been very welcoming and understanding of his faith. A nice backhander at Essendon :yep.
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He really appreciates every second he has playing for our great club and puts everything into it.
Houli was on Ch 7 news praising Richmond as the club that's been very welcoming and understanding of his faith. A nice backhander at Essendon :yep.
Even better is the fact that family members who USED to support other less savoury melbourne based clubs are now paid up RFC members :shh whoa
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STFU Smokey. Craig Cameron is a dud ;D
You just wish you had a haircut like him.
:P
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awwww :-*
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/07/05/1225888/185845-craig-cameron.jpg)
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is a fine young man Houli, love seeing the ball in his hands :gotigers
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He really appreciates every second he has playing for our great club and puts everything into it.
Houli was on Ch 7 news praising Richmond as the club that's been very welcoming and understanding of his faith. A nice backhander at Essendon :yep.
He's said countless times Essendon were fantastic in regards to his faith
Don't tar him with yr petty crap
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Nah, haven't you read all the posts Stripes? Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron are totally to blame for our lack of premiership success thus far and must have totally lucked onto Houli.
Since 2005 when Jackson joined = P Bowden, Humm, Polak, Kingsley, Morton, McMahon, Cartledge, Collard
Since 2008 when Cameron joined = Cousins, Thomson, Hislop, Farmer.
Since 2010 when Hartley joined = Miller, Houli, Grigg, A Maric, I Maric,
Yeah makes one wonder why the club is wasting money employing Hartley when Jackson and Cameron are getting all these good players from other clubs.
Their records clearly speak for themselves don't they?
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Oh dear
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Surely this is Craig Cameron's last contracted year?
Nah, haven't you read all the posts Stripes? Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron are totally to blame for our lack of premiership success thus far and must have totally lucked onto Houli.
Since 2005 when Jackson joined = P Bowden, Humm, Polak, Kingsley, Morton, McMahon, Cartledge, Collard
Since 2008 when Cameron joined = Cousins, Thomson, Hislop, Farmer.
Since 2010 when Hartley joined = Miller, Houli, Grigg, A Maric, I Maric,
Yeah makes one wonder why the club is wasting money employing Hartley when Jackson and Cameron are getting all these good players from other clubs.
Their records clearly speak for themselves don't they?
Fingerbanging post RT :thumbsup
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Surely this is Craig Cameron's last contracted year?
Nah, haven't you read all the posts Stripes? Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron are totally to blame for our lack of premiership success thus far and must have totally lucked onto Houli.
Since 2005 when Jackson joined = P Bowden, Humm, Polak, Kingsley, Morton, McMahon, Cartledge, Collard
Since 2008 when Cameron joined = Cousins, Thomson, Hislop, Farmer.
Since 2010 when Hartley joined = Miller, Houli, Grigg, A Maric, I Maric,
Yeah makes one wonder why the club is wasting money employing Hartley when Jackson and Cameron are getting all these good players from other clubs.
Their records clearly speak for themselves don't they?
Fingerbanging post RT :thumbsup
I take it you guys don't rate our current list then? Between them they have overseen a complete list rebuild and have been responsible for recruiting every single player on it except for Jackson, Moore, Newman and Tuck. The best recruiter in the land will not land every 'fish' but I think their record in building our current list speaks volumes of their performance. And with Hartley as well it will only get better.
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What I find interesting is peoples views on Jackson.
he may have started at the club in 2005 (?) but it was in a part time capacity and not as head of recruiting. His job during that time was watching kids running around in the TAC Cup. So to blame him for the trading for and drafting of re-cycled players in 2005 is a nonsense.
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Nah, haven't you read all the posts Stripes? Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron are totally to blame for our lack of premiership success thus far and must have totally lucked onto Houli.
Since 2005 when Jackson joined = P Bowden, Humm, Polak, Kingsley, Morton, McMahon, Cartledge, Collard
Since 2008 when Cameron joined = Cousins, Thomson, Hislop, Farmer.
Since 2010 when Hartley joined = Miller, Houli, Grigg, A Maric, I Maric,
Yeah makes one wonder why the club is wasting money employing Hartley when Jackson and Cameron are getting all these good players from other clubs.
Their records clearly speak for themselves don't they?
good analysis Redan, you do leave out an all too important fact though...who employed Hartley to do the role ::)...ive never seen Bart Cummings in silks, a good manager knows where to put the sq pegs in the sq holes and ensure the job gets done...thats quality management :shh
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you do leave out an all too important fact though...who employed Hartley to do the role ::)...ive never seen Bart Cummings in silks, a good manager knows where to put the sq pegs in the sq holes and ensure the job gets done...thats quality management :shh
Could be wrong but Dimma was aware of Blair's work at Port wasn't he?
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Get Bondy back from Freo!
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Some thoughts for our team Bachar can use to motivate the team for round 1 against Carlscum.
9:14 Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
Qatiloohum yuAAaththibhumu Allahubi-aydeekum wayukhzihim wayansurkum AAalayhim wayashfi sudooraqawmin mu/mineena
9:15 And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Wayuthhib ghaythaquloobihim wayatoobu Allahu AAala man yashaowaAllahu AAaleemun hakeemun
Quran:Surah9:14-15
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp (http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp)
:gotigers
Eat 'em Alive!
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:lol
"I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy."
(Deuteronomy 32:42)
"And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:"
(Deuteronomy 2:34)
"And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt: And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts."
(Exodus 11:4-5)
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)
"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)
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In the spirit of citing sacred texts to inspire our troops, I offer you
SECTION CCXXXVI OF THE SACRED MAHABARATHA
(Khandava-daha Parva continued)
"Vaisampayana said, 'Mandapala then addressed his children, saying, 'I had spoken unto Agni for the safety of you all. The illustrious deity had
assured me that he would grant my wish. At those words of Agni, and knowing the virtuous disposition of your mother, as also the great energy that is in yourselves, I came not here earlier. Therefore, ye sons, do not harbour in your hearts any resentment towards me. Ye are all Rishis acquainted with the Vedas. Even Agni knoweth you well.'
"Vaisampayana continued, 'Having given such assurances unto his sons, the Brahmana Mandapala took with him his wife and sons, and leaving that region, went away to some other country.
"It was thus that the illustrious god of fierce rays, having grown in strength consumed the forest of Khandava with the help of Krishna and Arjuna, for the good of the world. And Agni having drunk several rivers of fat and marrow, became highly gratified, and showed himself to Arjuna. Then Purandara, surrounded by the Maruts, descended from the firmament and addressing Partha and Kesava said, 'Ye have achieved a feat that a celestial even could not. Ask ye each a boon that is not obtainable by any man. I have been gratified with you.'
"Vaisampayana continued, 'Then Partha asked from Indra all his weapons. At this Sakra of great splendour, having fixed the time for giving them, said, 'When the illustrious Madhava becomes pleased with thee, then, O son of Pandu, I will give thee all my weapons! O prince of Kuru's race, I shall know when the time cometh. Even for thy austere asceticism I will give thee all my weapons of fire and all my Vayavya weapons, and thou also wilt accept them all of me.' Then Vasudeva asked that his friendship with Arjuna might be eternal. The chief of the celestials granted unto the intelligent Krishna the boon he desired. And having granted these boons unto Krishna and Arjuna, the lord of the Maruts, accompanied by the celestials, ascended to heaven, having also spoken to Hutasana (one whose food is sacrificial butter). Agni also, having burnt that forest with its animals and birds for five and ten days, became gratified and ceased to burn. Having eaten flesh in abundance and drunk fat and blood, he became highly gratified, and addressing Achyuta and Arjuna said, 'I have been gratified by you two tigers among men. At my command, ye heroes, ye shall be competent to go wheresoever ye choose!' Thus addressed by the illustrious Agni, Arjuna and Vasudeva and the Danava Maya also--these three,--having wandered a little at last sat themselves down on the delightful banks of a river.'"
END OF ADI PARVA
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Surely this is Craig Cameron's last contracted year?
Nah, haven't you read all the posts Stripes? Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron are totally to blame for our lack of premiership success thus far and must have totally lucked onto Houli.
Since 2005 when Jackson joined = P Bowden, Humm, Polak, Kingsley, Morton, McMahon, Cartledge, Collard
Since 2008 when Cameron joined = Cousins, Thomson, Hislop, Farmer.
Since 2010 when Hartley joined = Miller, Houli, Grigg, A Maric, I Maric,
Yeah makes one wonder why the club is wasting money employing Hartley when Jackson and Cameron are getting all these good players from other clubs.
Their records clearly speak for themselves don't they?
Fingerbanging post RT :thumbsup
I take it you guys don't rate our current list then? Between them they have overseen a complete list rebuild and have been responsible for recruiting every single player on it except for Jackson, Moore, Newman and Tuck. The best recruiter in the land will not land every 'fish' but I think their record in building our current list speaks volumes of their performance. And with Hartley as well it will only get better.
Cameron is poo. Jackson has done ok in the drafts.
End of. and the Coach says END OF. K? We understood, guys?
Back to Houli. Back on topic ppl :banghead
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That's all very well and good, but what about the finger banging?
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Surely this is Craig Cameron's last contracted year?
Nah, haven't you read all the posts Stripes? Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron are totally to blame for our lack of premiership success thus far and must have totally lucked onto Houli.
Since 2005 when Jackson joined = P Bowden, Humm, Polak, Kingsley, Morton, McMahon, Cartledge, Collard
Since 2008 when Cameron joined = Cousins, Thomson, Hislop, Farmer.
Since 2010 when Hartley joined = Miller, Houli, Grigg, A Maric, I Maric,
Yeah makes one wonder why the club is wasting money employing Hartley when Jackson and Cameron are getting all these good players from other clubs.
Their records clearly speak for themselves don't they?
Fingerbanging post RT :thumbsup
I take it you guys don't rate our current list then? Between them they have overseen a complete list rebuild and have been responsible for recruiting every single player on it except for Jackson, Moore, Newman and Tuck. The best recruiter in the land will not land every 'fish' but I think their record in building our current list speaks volumes of their performance. And with Hartley as well it will only get better.
Cameron is poo. Jackson has done ok in the drafts.
End of. and the Coach says END OF. K? We understood, guys?
Back to Houli. Back on topic ppl :banghead
Pretty much this.
No real issue with FJ, although i think we'd be better served with him working under someone who is more experienced (read has a proven record at recruiting premiership teams).
Cameron is just a donkey.
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This mahabaratha isn't a bad read actually I'm digging it, but it is pretty long.
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go fall off a bike you clown
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the type of player recruited is dictated by the coach. It's then up to the recruiters to deliver the goods.
You can see a real difference in type being recruited under dimma to that under wallet.
they also now take into consideration the character of the person. they want people who strive to succeed, who hate being beaten, because these are the type of person more likely to make the grade.
They have complete spyche tests done, they have medicals, they have people meeting watching them, meeting them.
FJ started as part time, coaching a junior team on saturdays.
his job is to eye talent and now there are systems in place to sort out the other attribuutes required, he does seem to have a good eye.
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CC highly regarded at RFC. :cheers
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the type of player recruited is dictated by the coach.
Is that right? Why didn't we rookie Serhat Temel when I was talking him up a few years ago. The Coach does not always get his way, al.
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I take it you guys don't rate our current list then? Between them they have overseen a complete list rebuild and have been responsible for recruiting every single player on it except for Jackson, Moore, Newman and Tuck. The best recruiter in the land will not land every 'fish' but I think their record in building our current list speaks volumes of their performance. And with Hartley as well it will only get better.
IMO the list is a lot better than it was but could have been much better with obvious picks, like the ones listed below for example.
And they have been responsible for recruiting every other player who has been delisted. Do you want them listed as well? It's not pretty.
he may have started at the club in 2005 (?) but it was in a part time capacity and not as head of recruiting. His job during that time was watching kids running around in the TAC Cup. So to blame him for the trading for and drafting of re-cycled players in 2005 is a nonsense.
Even if you are part time I would have thought you look at measures like who was picked by junior selectors, rather than your own "vibe" even more so if you can't see them personally.
Passed on Hurn - AIS, SA captain, AA, SANFL premier (2). Took JON
Passed on Swallow - AIS, WA captain, AA. Took Casserley
Took Hughes - AA so at least he had the record if not the character.
good analysis Redan, you do leave out an all too important fact though...who employed Hartley to do the role ::)...ive never seen Bart Cummings in silks, a good manager knows where to put the sq pegs in the sq holes and ensure the job gets done...thats quality management :shh
Hardwick recruited Hartley to join the coaching panel as the Opposition and List Analysit when he got the job after the draft in 2009.
they also now take into consideration the character of the person. they want people who strive to succeed, who hate being beaten, because these are the type of person more likely to make the grade.
It is a huge indictment that you admit they now consider character.
Note that it is only since Hartley joined that there has been comparison of ALL players (junior, major leagues, AFL etc) on an equal "objective" basis - it's in the Richo interview with Jackson.
Get Bondy back from Freo!
And add in Brad Lloyd who apparently still lives in Melbourne.
I apologise about the tangent but to give credit to Cameron and Jackson for Houli and ignore Hartley is unfair and must be corrected.
It is a pity it was sidetracked to push other agendas since Houli deserves his own thread praising him for his efforts on and off field.
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do you know dimma appointed him redan or are you trying to piece 2 and 2 together, would be unusual for the coach to make off field dept appointments other than assistant coaches, even that would be rattified by directors
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what are you on about redan?
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I take it you guys don't rate our current list then? Between them they have overseen a complete list rebuild and have been responsible for recruiting every single player on it except for Jackson, Moore, Newman and Tuck. The best recruiter in the land will not land every 'fish' but I think their record in building our current list speaks volumes of their performance. And with Hartley as well it will only get better.
IMO the list is a lot better than it was but could have been much better with obvious picks, like the ones listed below for example.
And they have been responsible for recruiting every other player who has been delisted. Do you want them listed as well? It's not pretty.
What is also not pretty is other recruiting efforts using your example. Chris Pelchen, the 'doyen' of recruiters apparently, took Beau Dowler before Mitch Clark, Shaun Higgins and Shannon Hurn. Or Beau Muston before Bernie Vince or Sam Gilbert. Geelong's recruiter (who must have been half decent given recent history) took Stephen Owen before Andrew Swallow or Alipate Carlisle. The same Collingwood recruiter who took Thomas and Pendlebury also took Danny Stanley and Ryan Cook before Vince or Gilbert.
I can't agree with your point RT that Jackson and Cameron are at any fault other than 'rub of the green' when it comes to how many failures they have had since being in charge. Every single recruiter and football department head will have wins and loses when it comes to recruiting - it's impossible and implausible to think otherwise, and I think when viewed in fair comparison with their peers then they have achieved above the odds. Our current list is testament to that.
he may have started at the club in 2005 (?) but it was in a part time capacity and not as head of recruiting. His job during that time was watching kids running around in the TAC Cup. So to blame him for the trading for and drafting of re-cycled players in 2005 is a nonsense.
Even if you are part time I would have thought you look at measures like who was picked by junior selectors, rather than your own "vibe" even more so if you can't see them personally.
Passed on Hurn - AIS, SA captain, AA, SANFL premier (2). Took JON
Passed on Swallow - AIS, WA captain, AA. Took Casserley
Took Hughes - AA so at least he had the record if not the character.
But here is another of the myths that become legends. As a part time recruiter Jackson was only ever responsible for identifying talent and passing it to those who actually made the 'keep or pass' decisions - was it still Miller maybe in '06? It is unfair to place blame at Jackson's feet unless he came out and said this is my #1 choice, the one I wanted. Did he actually ever do or say that? (And I'm asking seriously because I don't know - he may well have).
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Bachar has clearly shown that the decision to recruit him, particularly given that we got him for a PSD pick, was a great coup for Richmond.
He has shown, not only with his on-field efforts but also off-field with his family support of the club and exemplary character, that he is one of the most valuable recruits we have got in the last few years.
May it continue for a long time.
You deserve all the best Bachar, well done.
For the information of Whoajangles17, this is the thread about Hartley's appointment.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=10414.msg169442#msg169442
AGAIN....stop spoiling a well deserved thread acknowledging a player by trying to score (IMO undeserved) points for staff.
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he may have started at the club in 2005 (?) but it was in a part time capacity and not as head of recruiting. His job during that time was watching kids running around in the TAC Cup. So to blame him for the trading for and drafting of re-cycled players in 2005 is a nonsense.
Even if you are part time I would have thought you look at measures like who was picked by junior selectors, rather than your own "vibe" even more so if you can't see them personally.
Passed on Hurn - AIS, SA captain, AA, SANFL premier (2). Took JON
Passed on Swallow - AIS, WA captain, AA. Took Casserley
Took Hughes - AA so at least he had the record if not the character.
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I take your point but my original response was in regard to re-cycled players not "junior selections" - big difference.
And I still believe that blame Jackson a part time recruiter in 2005 who's job it was to watch the "juniors" for the misses regarding re-cycled players recruited at that time is a nonsense
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he may have started at the club in 2005 (?) but it was in a part time capacity and not as head of recruiting. His job during that time was watching kids running around in the TAC Cup. So to blame him for the trading for and drafting of re-cycled players in 2005 is a nonsense.
Even if you are part time I would have thought you look at measures like who was picked by junior selectors, rather than your own "vibe" even more so if you can't see them personally.
Passed on Hurn - AIS, SA captain, AA, SANFL premier (2). Took JON
Passed on Swallow - AIS, WA captain, AA. Took Casserley
Took Hughes - AA so at least he had the record if not the character.
I take your point but my original response was in regard to re-cycled players not "junior selections" - big difference.
And I still believe that blame Jackson a part time recruiter in 2005 who's job it was to watch the "juniors" for the misses regarding re-cycled players recruited at that time is a nonsense
Fair point WP. I admit that to blame Jackson for P Bowden and Humm in 2005 is a "nonsense".
Should only be judged on JON, Hughes, Casserley, White, Graham and Howat - the juniors.
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good to see you have a balanced view on this
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Thought Greggy Miller picked JON?
FJ should only be judged on picks taken after he became full time, to speculate on what was and wasn't in his job description as a part timer, and what advice he did and didn't give, what it was based on, and what was done with that advice when given just has too many variables to bother.
If you can't mount a case against his record from the time he became a full time employee of the RFC to now, then you can't mount a case.
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I also think a recruiter's record is hugely co-dependent on the quality of the football department his picks develop under. A good football department will make an average recruiter look good, whilst a poor football department (*cough*) could make Geez look like a gimp.
Having said that, I think FJ, like most recruiters, is middle of the road. Surrounding him with more experience, more eyes, more resources is the real answer. We just need to keep adding to his department to get the best results.
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:nope
this is no good.
Gerks, please put your brain in neutral and try again.
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i think that's what you call a moment of clarity
just let me hammer this crayon back into my brain...chok...chok...chok...
BEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRR :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
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Congrats to Bachar who is playing his 50th AFL game on Saturday night.
Thank you Essendon ;D.
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He'd be hoping to play better than he did last Thursday or he won't be playing his 51st in round 3. Actually, he probably will. I forgot that Dimma plays favourites
:outtahere
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He'd be hoping to play better than he did last Thursday or he won't be playing his 51st in round 3. Actually, he probably will. I forgot that Dimma plays favourites
:outtahere
(http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/dec08/mob.jpg)
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Bachar has tipped Collingwood to win .... Oops! :lol
http://www.afl.com.au/tipping/aflexperttipsters/tabid/13842/default.aspx
Edit: They must have heard me as they just fixed it back to Richmond.
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AFL now a Mecca for all fans
Daryl Timms
From: Herald Sun
April 19, 2012
RICHMOND'S Bachar Houli said more Muslims would go to the footy after the AFL announced prayer rooms must be provided at all venues.
The requirement for Muslims to pray five times a day was stopping many from attending AFL games, he said.
Houli said many were forced to pray in carparks or stairwells at AFL grounds.
Houli, a devout Muslim who works for the AFL one day a week as a multicultural ambassador, asked league chief Andrew Demetriou to provide prayer rooms at all grounds.
Prayer rooms, for all denominations, have been recently introduced at Etihad Stadium, the MCG and Sydney's ANZ Stadium.
But the AFL is now insisting on prayer rooms at the SCG and all other interstate venues.
Houli said not many fans knew of the existing prayer rooms and Mr Demetriou said prayer rooms were long overdue.
"It was a request from Bachar in his role as a multicultural ambassador and, to be honest, I was genuinely surprised it wasn't thought of before,"
Mr Demetriou said.
"We will be speaking to all our venues about providing a prayer room, which is, of course, for any denomination. It's again a demonstration of our inclusiveness."
Houli, who prays five times a day - including for five minutes before and after games - said a lot of people from the Islamic community weren't going to the footy because of a lack of prayer rooms.
He said all Muslims would need to pray once while at games women in an enclosed area.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/afl-now-a-mecca-for-all-fans/story-e6frf9jf-1226332122338
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Houli, who prays five times a day - including for five minutes before and after games
I find myself praying from the time the game begins and I don't finish until it ends! :pray
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That'd be right. I bet there will be halal food at the G before any decent vego options. Nandos is going into the Southern Stand upgrade isn't it. Will probably have a compromised menu and no vege pitas any way :(
Houli, who prays five times a day - including for five minutes before and after games
I find myself praying from the time the game begins and I don't finish until it ends! :pray
:lol :thumbsup
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That'd be right. I bet there will be halal food at the G before any decent vego options. Nandos is going into the Southern Stand upgrade isn't it. Will probably have a compromised menu and no vege pitas any way :(
vegetarians shouldn't be allowed at the footy
bottom of the food chain
just under seagulls
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That'd be right. I bet there will be halal food at the G before any decent vego options. Nandos is going into the Southern Stand upgrade isn't it. Will probably have a compromised menu and no vege pitas any way :(
Houli, who prays five times a day - including for five minutes before and after games
I find myself praying from the time the game begins and I don't finish until it ends! :pray
:lol :thumbsup
The Nandos van at the g is feral.. Isn't made fresh and sits there for ages
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That'd be right. I bet there will be halal food at the G before any decent vego options. Nandos is going into the Southern Stand upgrade isn't it. Will probably have a compromised menu and no vege pitas any way :(
vegetarians shouldn't be allowed at the footy
bottom of the food chain
just under seagulls
:lol
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Ridiculous decision by the AFL.
What next the Adhan over the loud speakers instead of the final siren?
Or umpires not only waiting for channel seven to flash it's lights after commercial breaks we must change the 1/2 time breaks to coincide with mid afternoon prayer?
Or designated women only areas at the ground on the top deck completely out of sight and earshot of any men?
...... Actually this ones not a bad idea. ;) ;D
Seriously though I don't like this decision at all & it's just another example of how this country is changing.
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That'd be right. I bet there will be halal food at the G before any decent vego options. Nandos is going into the Southern Stand upgrade isn't it. Will probably have a compromised menu and no vege pitas any way :(
Houli, who prays five times a day - including for five minutes before and after games
I find myself praying from the time the game begins and I don't finish until it ends! :pray
:lol :thumbsup
The Nandos van at the g is feral.. Isn't made fresh and sits there for ages
Yeah it is hey. Have only ever got chips from there.
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That'd be right. I bet there will be halal food at the G before any decent vego options. Nandos is going into the Southern Stand upgrade isn't it. Will probably have a compromised menu and no vege pitas any way :(
vegetarians shouldn't be allowed at the footy
bottom of the food chain
just under seagulls
Don't be a vegephobic.
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Ridiculous decision by the AFL.
What next the Adhan over the loud speakers instead of the final siren?
Or umpires not only waiting for channel seven to flash it's lights after commercial breaks we must change the 1/2 time breaks to coincide with mid afternoon prayer?
Or designated women only areas at the ground on the top deck completely out of sight and earshot of any men?
...... Actually this ones not a bad idea. ;) ;D
Seriously though I don't like this decision at all & it's just another example of how this country is changing.
::) You're opposing a decision to have a room for prayers? It's a room, completely out of your way, that has nothing to do with you. Why does it matter to you?
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I believe it is a great idea. The more Richmond fans we can get to a game regardless of their religion/nationality etc brings more money to the club. Can't see it as a problem as long as it doesn't change my game day ritual :thumbsup
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That'd be right. I bet there will be halal food at the G before any decent vego options. Nandos is going into the Southern Stand upgrade isn't it. Will probably have a compromised menu and no vege pitas any way :(
vegetarians shouldn't be allowed at the footy
bottom of the food chain
just under seagulls
Don't be a homo.
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Ridiculous decision by the AFL.
What next the Adhan over the loud speakers instead of the final siren?
Or umpires not only waiting for channel seven to flash it's lights after commercial breaks we must change the 1/2 time breaks to coincide with mid afternoon prayer?
Or designated women only areas at the ground on the top deck completely out of sight and earshot of any men?
...... Actually this ones not a bad idea. ;) ;D
Seriously though I don't like this decision at all & it's just another example of how this country is changing.
You're a disgrace. I'll pray for you.
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Ridiculous decision by the AFL.
What next the Adhan over the loud speakers instead of the final siren?
Or umpires not only waiting for channel seven to flash it's lights after commercial breaks we must change the 1/2 time breaks to coincide with mid afternoon prayer?
Or designated women only areas at the ground on the top deck completely out of sight and earshot of any men?
...... Actually this ones not a bad idea. ;) ;D
Seriously though I don't like this decision at all & it's just another example of how this country is changing.
::) You're opposing a decision to have a room for prayers? It's a room, completely out of your way, that has nothing to do with you. Why does it matter to you?
This is simply pandering to the minority Islamic community as many local governments have done with stupid decisions that aren't inclusive but are highly divisive.
You notice how the article written includes that women have an enclosed area? What does that mean?
There are many questions i'd like answered.
If there is a Christian or buddhist or Hindu in that room, will any Muslim still be allowed to pray or have they only allowed to be in the room alone to pray with other Muslims?
If a person is a women will she be kicked out to accommodate the Muslim men?
If I have my shoes on in that room will I be asked to remove my shoes?
It's BS!!! In my opinion.
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There are women only rooms at unis. There world is very pc. Get over it.
Forza houli :gotigers ala ala ala akblah
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stuffen harry Obrien.
Die will ya.
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I am always a bit worried when the 'invisible friend' crew begin to encroach into the secular world, but I am also very inclusive of 'difference' :-\. I suppose it's ok..........that is, until they begin to pour out of the delusion rooms and start pontificating. Being a Richmond supporter one requires libation, bawdy singing and a distracting punt just to make a day at the footy at all worthwhile :'(
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I'd like to thank Mr Tigra for highlighting why religion and the intolerance that goes with it is at the base of so much of the poo that goes down in the world
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By the way, anyone requiring a Religion (Abrahamic)-detox will be well served by visiting this site:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/
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By the way, anyone requiring a Religion (Abrahamic)-detox will be well served by visiting this site:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/
:thumbsup Reminds me of Thomas Freke, Graham Hancock, Adrian Gilbert, Michael Baigent, etc.
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By the way, anyone requiring a Religion (Abrahamic)-detox will be well served by visiting this site:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/
:thumbsup Reminds me of Thomas Freke, Graham Hancock, Adrian Gilbert, Michael Baigent, etc.
;)
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I'd like to know what the AFL will do if multiple people from different religions try and enter the room at the same time.
What of this scenario at the last game of the year Hawthorn v West Coast. Whichever team wins will cement a top 4 position the other will finish 7th and have to play a knockout final against the swans in Sydney....
Ali Muhammad is a devout Muslim but a passionate west coast supporter finds that it is nearing mid afternoon so he must haste to the comfort of the MCG prayer room for prayers.
At the same time Mr & Mrs Vindaloo devout west coast supporters venture down to the prayer room with a small idol of the great lord ganesha.
Already at the prayer room is Depat Papadum a mad hawks supporter is preparing his voice ready for his hare Krishna sing song.
And lastly a transvestite couple Mr & Mrs Deep, both typically gay Hawthorn supporters and devout Buddhists, are already in the prayer room....
Ramim & Sukim (formerly Paul & Steve) having only recently converted to Buddhism thanks to a retreat at the beautiful Vajrapani Institute in California after meeting at the gay buddist fellowship in San Francisco where they married, were keen to offer up prayers to the Buddha shrine already set up on the wall especially since the hawks were behind on the score board.
Unfortunately for Ali Muhammad, it was the same wall that is facing Mecca.
Now Ali has a serious problem. There are women in the room. So he politely asks Mrs Vindaloo to kindly move to the womans room. Mr Vindaloo doesn't take kindly to Ali's request and he asks why? Meanwhile Depat Pappadum has already started singing and Sukim (formely Steve) didn't realise that there was a female room and starts to pack up their Buddha to move into the woman only area with Ramim (formerly Paul).
Ali is pleased they are leaving but he is unable to pray with any idol present. as Mr Vindaloo has already begun to set up a shrine to the great lord Ganesha in the corner.
....Like I already said RIDICULOUS!!!
And it's BS it's for "all religions".
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I'd like to know what the AFL will do if multiple people from different religions try and enter the room at the same time.
What of this scenario at the last game of the year Hawthorn v West Coast. Whichever team wins will cement a top 4 position the other will finish 7th and have to play a knockout final against the swans in Sydney....
Ali Muhammad is a devout Muslim but a passionate west coast supporter finds that it is nearing mid afternoon so he must haste to the comfort of the MCG prayer room for prayers.
At the same time Mr & Mrs Vindaloo devout west coast supporters venture down to the prayer room with a small idol of the great lord ganesha.
Already at the prayer room is Depat Papadum a mad hawks supporter is preparing his voice ready for his hare Krishna sing song.
And lastly a transvestite couple Mr & Mrs Deep, both typically gay Hawthorn supporters and devout Buddhists, are already in the prayer room....
Ramim & Sukim (formerly Paul & Steve) having only recently converted to Buddhism thanks to a retreat at the beautiful Vajrapani Institute in California after meeting at the gay buddist fellowship in San Francisco where they married, were keen to offer up prayers to the Buddha shrine already set up on the wall especially since the hawks were behind on the score board.
Unfortunately for Ali Muhammad, it was the same wall that is facing Mecca.
Now Ali has a serious problem. There are women in the room. So he politely asks Mrs Vindaloo to kindly move to the womans room. Mr Vindaloo doesn't take kindly to Ali's request and he asks why? Meanwhile Depat Pappadum has already started singing and Sukim (formely Steve) didn't realise that there was a female room and starts to pack up their Buddha to move into the woman only area with Ramim (formerly Paul).
Ali is pleased they are leaving but he is unable to pray with any idol present. as Mr Vindaloo has already begun to set up a shrine to the great lord Ganesha in the corner.
....Like I already said RIDICULOUS!!!
And it's BS it's for "all religions".
:lol :clapping
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I'd like to know what the AFL will do if multiple people from different religions try and enter the room at the same time.
What of this scenario at the last game of the year Hawthorn v West Coast. Whichever team wins will cement a top 4 position the other will finish 7th and have to play a knockout final against the swans in Sydney....
Ali Muhammad is a devout Muslim but a passionate west coast supporter finds that it is nearing mid afternoon so he must haste to the comfort of the MCG prayer room for prayers.
At the same time Mr & Mrs Vindaloo devout west coast supporters venture down to the prayer room with a small idol of the great lord ganesha.
Already at the prayer room is Depat Papadum a mad hawks supporter is preparing his voice ready for his hare Krishna sing song.
And lastly a transvestite couple Mr & Mrs Deep, both typically gay Hawthorn supporters and devout Buddhists, are already in the prayer room....
Ramim & Sukim (formerly Paul & Steve) having only recently converted to Buddhism thanks to a retreat at the beautiful Vajrapani Institute in California after meeting at the gay buddist fellowship in San Francisco where they married, were keen to offer up prayers to the Buddha shrine already set up on the wall especially since the hawks were behind on the score board.
Unfortunately for Ali Muhammad, it was the same wall that is facing Mecca.
Now Ali has a serious problem. There are women in the room. So he politely asks Mrs Vindaloo to kindly move to the womans room. Mr Vindaloo doesn't take kindly to Ali's request and he asks why? Meanwhile Depat Pappadum has already started singing and Sukim (formely Steve) didn't realise that there was a female room and starts to pack up their Buddha to move into the woman only area with Ramim (formerly Paul).
Ali is pleased they are leaving but he is unable to pray with any idol present. as Mr Vindaloo has already begun to set up a shrine to the great lord Ganesha in the corner.
....Like I already said RIDICULOUS!!!
And it's BS it's for "all religions".
Your pig ignorant, bigoted outrage aside, we run these rooms at every Institution I have worked and we have never had an issue. The only issue seems to be with people like you blatting off your pooper valve in outraged indignation at anything other than what you think is 'right' and 'proper'.
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obviously some cant do the Christian thing and turn the the other cheek.
what skin is it of anyone's nose if they set aside a room for people to pray in?
lets go to war over it. bring back the crusdaes and the spanish inquisition
effing idiots
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I think I agree with Tigra's POV maybe without agreeing with what he said, or how he said it. It was only a couple weeks ago that secular Australia was arguing for a game on Good Friday. Australia is constitutionally secular and I would love to keep our sport that way. I understand that there are prayer rooms at places like transport terminals for example, in my industry I've never ever seen any thing of the sort so I guess I can't say too much about it. But my first thoughts when I heard it today on the radio was, "what's next?" As someone with a bit of a black mark in my past (think Romper Stomper or American History X), I always saw the biggest problem with racial and religious creed was the segregation and 'us and them.' I'm sure if Tigra's 'Depat Papadum' came and sat next to me at the footy in his Richmond colours, I wouldn't give a stuff his beliefs or background and we could barrack together. IMO the lines need to be erased, not emphasised.
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Your pig ignorant, bigoted outrage aside, we run these rooms at every Institution I have worked and we have never had an issue. The only issue seems to be with people like you blatting off your pooper valve in outraged indignation at anything other than what you think is 'right' and 'proper'.
I would have thought that theists were more inherently imbued with those characteristics than say.... atheists... or those with a universal take on spirituality. I have also found theists are usually humourless and do not respond well to satire ;) Did I say that IMO they are also soooooo boring.
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I think I agree with Tigra's POV maybe without agreeing with what he said, or how he said it. It was only a couple weeks ago that secular Australia was arguing for a game on Good Friday. Australia is constitutionally secular and I would love to keep our sport that way. I understand that there are prayer rooms at places like transport terminals for example, in my industry I've never ever seen any thing of the sort so I guess I can't say too much about it. But my first thoughts when I heard it today on the radio was, "what's next?" As someone with a bit of a black mark in my past (think Romper Stomper or American History X), I always saw the biggest problem with racial and religious creed was the segregation and 'us and them.' I'm sure if Tigra's 'Depat Papadum' came and sat next to me at the footy in his Richmond colours, I wouldn't give a stuff his beliefs or background and we could barrack together. IMO the lines need to be erased, not emphasised.
it's only people carrying on about it that creates lines of division, or us and them. what do you lose if there is a room for someone of a different faith to go and pray?
the whole purpose of it is so those that don't go to the footy because their religious beliefs say they have to pray so many times a day, have an outlet to do so. If someone else wants to go and pray to their baby killing, spiteful, jealous god in the same room they wont be banned.
how the eff this affects anyone else has got me beat? no one loses anything. you dont have to go and watch them pray, in fact you wont even know they are doing it, as opposed to them having to do it in the car park or the public dunnies or whether they do it now.
whatever happened to live and let live? as long as they dont push their pox beliefs beliefs down anyone else's throat, who gives an eff?
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So should we stop Friday night games then, because the Jewish folk cannot go since they are having their Shabbat meal?
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Your pig ignorant, bigoted outrage aside, we run these rooms at every Institution I have worked and we have never had an issue. The only issue seems to be with people like you blatting off your pooper valve in outraged indignation at anything other than what you think is 'right' and 'proper'.
I would have thought that theists were more inherently imbued with those characteristics than say.... atheists... or those with a universal take on spirituality. I have also found theists are usually humourless and do not respond well to satire ;) Did I say that IMO they are also soooooo boring.
I am an atheist as a matter of fact but whats next some stuffing black face routines paying out on drag queens or we could just posse up and burn down a mosque.
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So should we stop Friday night games then, because the Jewish folk cannot go since they are having their Shabbat meal?
actually saturday games are the problems for Abraham's descendants, Yahweh's chosen people. (rember joe the jew saying he could attend a GF if melbourne made it?)
the problem with that argument is that it changes so much, yet putting 1 room aside affects you how?
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I think I agree with Tigra's POV maybe without agreeing with what he said, or how he said it. It was only a couple weeks ago that secular Australia was arguing for a game on Good Friday. Australia is constitutionally secular and I would love to keep our sport that way. I understand that there are prayer rooms at places like transport terminals for example, in my industry I've never ever seen any thing of the sort so I guess I can't say too much about it. But my first thoughts when I heard it today on the radio was, "what's next?" As someone with a bit of a black mark in my past (think Romper Stomper or American History X), I always saw the biggest problem with racial and religious creed was the segregation and 'us and them.' I'm sure if Tigra's 'Depat Papadum' came and sat next to me at the footy in his Richmond colours, I wouldn't give a stuff his beliefs or background and we could barrack together. IMO the lines need to be erased, not emphasised.
it's only people carrying on about it that creates lines of division, or us and them. what do you lose if there is a room for someone of a different faith to go and pray?
the whole purpose of it is so those that don't go to the footy because their religious beliefs say they have to pray so many times a day, have an outlet to do so. If someone else wants to go and pray to their baby killing, spiteful, jealous god in the same room they wont be banned.
how the eff this affects anyone else has got me beat? no one loses anything. you dont have to go and watch them pray, in fact you wont even know they are doing it, as opposed to them having to do it in the car park or the public dunnies or whether they do it now.
whatever happened to live and let live? as long as they dont push their pox beliefs beliefs down anyone else's throat, who gives an eff?
Well said Al :thumbsup....I suppose the secular among us are over wary because....well history has taught us that it is wise to be so. Just had a thought: what about juxtaposition at the 3 breaks!: One line to the pub and another to prayer - the cartoonists in a non-pc world would have a field-day.
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So should we stop Friday night games then, because the Jewish folk cannot go since they are having their Shabbat meal?
actually saturday games are the problems for Abraham's descendants, Yahweh's chosen people. (rember joe the jew saying he could attend a GF if melbourne made it?)
the problem with that argument is that it changes so much, yet putting 1 room aside affects you how?
The Shabbat starts Friday evening at sun down and goes into Saturday arvo.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I'm against this at all. But I'm wondering why we are catering for some, but not all. It's all good and well for you, me, and the rest of OER to say we don't give a stuff but I know from first hand experience that it is only a matter of time until there is an issue. It's all or none as far as I'm concerned.
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Your pig ignorant, bigoted outrage aside, we run these rooms at every Institution I have worked and we have never had an issue. The only issue seems to be with people like you blatting off your pooper valve in outraged indignation at anything other than what you think is 'right' and 'proper'.
I would have thought that theists were more inherently imbued with those characteristics than say.... atheists... or those with a universal take on spirituality. I have also found theists are usually humourless and do not respond well to satire ;) Did I say that IMO they are also soooooo boring.
I am an atheist as a matter of fact but whats next some stuffing black face routines paying out on drag queens or we could just posse up and burn down a mosque.
I'm sure Mr Tigra would cop a bit of satire at his expense - I think you are reading too much into it. There are dangers I agree, but a world without satire would be more dangerous.
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These rooms already exist. Funny how no-one had an issue until they became aware of them.
This aggression will not stand man.
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Geez is coming back
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Actually get rid of prayer rooms, women's toilets, vegetarian food, baby changing rooms, disabled seating, and North Melbourne.
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So from what I gather no particular religion has a monopoly and anyone can enter.
Funny as if the Rastas want a break .......
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Actually get rid of prayer rooms, women's toilets, vegetarian food, baby changing rooms, disabled seating, and North Melbourne.
Bring back giant steel beer cans, $1.00 pies and squat-rot
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So should we stop Friday night games then, because the Jewish folk cannot go since they are having their Shabbat meal?
actually saturday games are the problems for Abraham's descendants, Yahweh's chosen people. (rember joe the jew saying he could attend a GF if melbourne made it?)
the problem with that argument is that it changes so much, yet putting 1 room aside affects you how?
The Shabbat starts Friday evening at sun down and goes into Saturday arvo.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I'm against this at all. But I'm wondering why we are catering for some, but not all. It's all good and well for you, me, and the rest of OER to say we don't give a stuff but I know from first hand experience that it is only a matter of time until there is an issue. It's all or none as far as I'm concerned.
your 100% right dwaino.
They are catering purely for the Muslim fans. The crap about it being multi-faith is just that "crap". Why do the AFL think we have to cater for religions at all? Footy is a religion in itself.
So play the games anytime or day you want if you don't like it then don't go. Simple.
These sort of desicions get up my goat because when trying to be inclusive ends up being highly divisive. And when does it stop?
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Geez is coming back
Actually, Geez ( Horus?) the sun (sic) of god never left. He will be with us until the the end of the (Pisces) age.... and then we will pass into the the age of Aquarius.
;D
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Geez is coming back
Actually, Geez ( Horus?) the sun (sic) of god never left. He will be with us until the the end of the (Pisces) age.... and then we will pass into the the age of Aquarius.
;D
am talking about my buddy Geez. you dont remember him from when we were kids?
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Geez is a very popular name in Mexico.
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Geez is coming back
Actually, Geez ( Horus?) the sun (sic) of god never left. He will be with us until the the end of the (Pisces) age.... and then we will pass into the the age of Aquarius.
;D
am talking about my buddy Geez. you dont remember him from when we were kids?
yeah, now I think Iremeber. His old man was Joe. never rooted his missus but didnt blink an eye when she got pregnant?
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reckon you might know something about her pregnancy old fella :outtahere
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:lol
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:clapping
Champagne comedy
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Some of you that have no problems bagging Christianity seem too scared to mention Muslims or Islam with the same disdain.
....Mmmmmm very interesting.
I for one have an opinion that the prayer rooms are a stupid idea in public places and football stadiums and I get critisized for my opinion. People have homes or churches. You want to pray stay home or go to church. Why have it at the footy? Ridiculous.
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very interesting indeed......
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Some of you that have no problems bagging Christianity seem too scared to mention Muslims or Islam with the same disdain.
....Mmmmmm very interesting.
I for one have an opinion that the prayer rooms are a stupid idea in public places and football stadiums and I get critisized for my opinion. People have homes or churches. You want to pray stay home or go to church. Why have it at the footy? Ridiculous.
Now now, remember Corinthians 10:31-32
"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, orwhatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:"
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Non-issue. One small room in a stadium that holds 100k people and has hundreds of rooms many of which aren't used on gameday. In any case prayer rooms already exist at the MCG and Etihad apparently.
ps. Just on a side note from the news footage tonight Bachar certainly has got his extended family and friends on board the Tigers. Every kid was wearing Y&B :thumbsup.
pps. Thanks again Essendon ;D.
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Seriously though , how many more people is a little prayer room going to get to the footy.
To be perfectly honest I am sick and tired of all this pandering to every man and his dog that wants it 'Their way'!
Yeah it's no big deal, but footy is footy and if your so desperate re 'insecure' that you cant go without a prayer to your dog sheep goat god whatever for 3 or 4 hours you have more important issues to worry about.
What made this country greet and why everyone wants to come here is because of what it is, don't try and change it! defeats the purpose .....
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Hird wanted to keep Houli
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Seriously though , how many more people is a little prayer room going to get to the footy.
To be perfectly honest I am sick and tired of all this pandering to every man and his dog that wants it 'Their way'!
Yeah it's no big deal, but footy is footy and if your so desperate re 'insecure' that you cant go without a prayer to your dog sheep goat god whatever for 3 or 4 hours you have more important issues to worry about.
What made this country greet and why everyone wants to come here is because of what it is, don't try and change it! defeats the purpose .....
Footy has changed a lot from when we were kids anyway. The small suburban grounds were killed off one by one along with being crammed like sardines in standing room sections that weren't for the faint-hearted ;D. It was very much an all male domain away from the reserved seats of main grandstand. Over time with the redeveloped mass stadia and modern facilities we've now reached a point where we have virtually a 50/50 crowd split as far as gender. There's still places in the crowd such as standing up the back behind the Richmond goals where you can yell out and chant what you like but most areas being all-seated are now "family friendly" (unless we are playing against Collingwood :chuck ). So yes providing certain facilities can bring more people to the footy.
ps. The one thing I miss from the 'old' days is travelling every second week to a suburban ground. Playing home and away stood out more then rather than the 'neutral' 'G these days. Only when we play an interstate side now do we have a real home ground advantage. Too bad we still won't have even that advantage next week against the Eagles being forced to play our 'home' game at Etihad ::)
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at least its not a peeed bunch of idiots in there
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Jeff Kennett decries prayer rooms at footy
by: Stuart Rintoul
From: The Australian
April 20, 2012
HAVING succeeded in convincing the AFL to introduce prayer rooms at all venues, Bachar Houli was unfazed last night by a stinging backlash sparked by former Victorian premier Jeff Kennett, who called the idea "stupid" and "political correctness gone mad".
Football fans took to websites to condemn and ridicule the move, but at his home in Melbourne the AFL's first Muslim player told The Australian: "The main thing is we've got what we want, and you can't change that.
"At the end of the day, people want to go and enjoy the footy as well as continue with their beliefs, and if it means they have to pray once a day at the footy, we're not asking for much."
Mr Kennett said the move was "ridiculous" and complained that political correctness had replaced "the great days" of football, when there were few stands, mud on the ground, meat pies sold for sixpence and fans braved "the smell of the urinal".
Describing Australia as "a Christian society of many faiths", the former Liberal premier and former Hawthorn club president said communities should not have to change their "very fibre" to accommodate multiculturalism.
"To put prayer rooms into sporting venues is not part of the Australian lexicon, it's not the way in which we've behaved," he said.
"I think it's an overreaction, I think it's political correctness, I think it's absolute rubbish. It's not practical, it's stupid, it's political correctness gone mad."
Houli, who plays at Richmond, where he prays before and after games, pressed for prayer rooms to be introduced at grounds in his capacity as the league's multicultural ambassador.
He said devout Muslims, who pray five times a day, were forced to pray in carparks or stairwells during games, and said more Muslims would come to the football if they had a place to pray.
Multi-faith prayer rooms have been introduced at the MCG and Etihad Stadium in Melbourne, and Sydney's ANZ Stadium. The AFL intends to press for prayer rooms at all other venues, including the SCG.
The move was welcomed by Muslim leaders, including Muslim Australia vice-president Ikebal Patel, who said the AFL deserved full marks.
"What is the harm?" he asked. "What's the problem in someone enjoying a game of footy and at the same time being mindful of their religious obligations, whatever they may be.
"Full marks to the AFL for being inclusive when we have people from different backgrounds and faiths. It's not only Muslims who might like to pray. It is engaging with God, and they might even be praying for Hawthorn to win."
The AFL's newest club, Greater Western Sydney, backed the move last night, saying: "Western Sydney is a culturally diverse region and the Giants welcome all people regardless of their background. We are proud of the contribution clubs like Muslim AFL team the Auburn Tigers have made to growing the game in Western Sydney, and the Giants would be happy to support any initiative which makes the game more accessible for all people."
AFL chief Andrew Demetriou said the league had an obligation to make venues welcoming to people of all cultures.
Many football fans took to websites to condemn the move. "What next, the Adhan over the loudspeakers instead of the final siren?" posted one Richmond fan. "Or . . . half-time breaks to coincide with mid-afternoon prayer? Or designated women-only areas at the ground on the top deck completely out of sight and earshot of any men? Actually, that one's not a bad idea.
"Seriously though, I don't like this decision at all and it's just another example of how this country is changing."
Others posted: "This is OUR game and I'm sick of all this multicultural crap that is dividing our country"; "The last bastion of Australian culture to be stripped away from us in the name of Islam"; and "Football should be football. It's a religion in itself. Let it be."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/jeff-kennett-decries-prayer-rooms-at-footy/story-e6frg6nf-1226333759496
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Bloody hell Stuart, you couldn't have quoted a big opinionated poster from this forum. :lol
edit: I don't remember saying that ^ :lol
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Many football fans took to websites to condemn the move. "What next, the Adhan over the loudspeakers instead of the final siren?" posted one Richmond fan. "Or . . . half-time breaks to coincide with mid-afternoon prayer? Or designated women-only areas at the ground on the top deck completely out of sight and earshot of any men? Actually, that one's not a bad idea.
"Seriously though, I don't like this decision at all and it's just another example of how this country is changing."
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/jeff-kennett-decries-prayer-rooms-at-footy/story-e6frg6nf-1226333759496
Well we now know the Australian newspaper reads OER to grab quotes/opinions.
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Many football fans took to websites to condemn the move. "What next, the Adhan over the loudspeakers instead of the final siren?" posted one Richmond fan. "Or . . . half-time breaks to coincide with mid-afternoon prayer? Or designated women-only areas at the ground on the top deck completely out of sight and earshot of any men? Actually, that one's not a bad idea.
"Seriously though, I don't like this decision at all and it's just another example of how this country is changing."
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/jeff-kennett-decries-prayer-rooms-at-footy/story-e6frg6nf-1226333759496
Well we now know the Australian newspaper reads OER to grab quotes/opinions.
As they should!
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How embarrassing. They should read mine, Owl says "your newspaper is right wing sh it."
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This topic of discussion just shows how many red neck imbeciles are in our society
We are happy to except there membership and support of the RFC
.All they seeked was a room
What about all the bars at venues for people to drink beer etc
I love Bachar as a player and a person
Essendon had issues with him and he found it hard there
To see him at last years Brownlow with his wife was an outstanding achievement for a player who has come so far
Would love to see Bachar play in a tiger premiership.
The way he addressed supporters at the social club last week was sensational.much more educated than most of the clowns that play AFL
Well done Bachar
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^^^You are surely not equating being a redneck with secularism. Personally when I go to the football I see enough deluded football fans, do we really need to take it to another level? Sorry, but I find all religions anachronistic as they presume to embody that which by their own definition is unknowable. :banghead BTW, I like Bachar too........ATM.
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It must e a blue moon because i agree with Jacky boy whole heartedly.
Runidah, the redneck comment, while a generalisation, is pretty apt as most of those condemning it do so out of their xenophobic pettiness. Richmond employs a chaplin, yet we dont ear anyone complaining about this. But it's ok to pander to the Christians only?
the prayer rooms are already at the Melbourne grounds and without these articles no one would have even known about it, thats how much it affects their own individual experience when goinf to the footy.
Nor has there been any complaints about providing mothers rooms at the stadiums, something you could mount similar arguments against (footy no place for babies, if women want to get pregnant thats their choice bla bla bla)
Bottom line is it does not affect any one negatively, in any way.
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When we have a jew on the richmond senior list.
So should we stop Friday night games then, because the Jewish folk cannot go since they are having their Shabbat meal?
actually saturday games are the problems for Abraham's descendants, Yahweh's chosen people. (rember joe the jew saying he could attend a GF if melbourne made it?)
the problem with that argument is that it changes so much, yet putting 1 room aside affects you how?
The Shabbat starts Friday evening at sun down and goes into Saturday arvo.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I'm against this at all. But I'm wondering why we are catering for some, but not all. It's all good and well for you, me, and the rest of OER to say we don't give a stuff but I know from first hand experience that it is only a matter of time until there is an issue. It's all or none as far as I'm concerned.
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This topic of discussion just shows how many red neck imbeciles are in our society
We are happy to except there membership and support of the RFC
.All they seeked was a room
What about all the bars at venues for people to drink beer etc
I love Bachar as a player and a person
Essendon had issues with him and he found it hard there
To see him at last years Brownlow with his wife was an outstanding achievement for a player who has come so far
Would love to see Bachar play in a tiger premiership.
The way he addressed supporters at the social club last week was sensational.much more educated than most of the clowns that play AFL
Well done Bachar
I didn't read anywhere that anyone was critical of or didn't like Bachar.
My criticism is with the institutions like the AFL which make decisions like this in the name of inclusiveness and oneness but it really isn't. The truth is it was never meant for anyone but Muslims. Ok fair enough but they can't say it can they?
There are many examples already where local councils have put in restrictions to the greater general public to use certain facilities in order to cater for one people group. You see it all begins with an all inclusive mentality with good intentions but it ends up being divisive and restrictive to all. If you don't believe me just look at what is happening in England.
I love our religious freedom in this country and I want it to stay that way.
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This topic of discussion just shows how many red neck imbeciles are in our society
We are happy to except there membership and support of the RFC
.All they seeked was a room
What about all the bars at venues for people to drink beer etc
I love Bachar as a player and a person
Essendon had issues with him and he found it hard there
To see him at last years Brownlow with his wife was an outstanding achievement for a player who has come so far
Would love to see Bachar play in a tiger premiership.
The way he addressed supporters at the social club last week was sensational.much more educated than most of the clowns that play AFL
Well done Bachar
Absolutely. Bachar is a pioneer and doing plenty to break down the fear factors that divide society in this country.
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^^^You are surely not equating being a redneck with secularism. Personally when I go to the football I see enough deluded football fans, do we really need to take it to another level? Sorry, but I find all religions anachronistic as they presume to embody that which by their own definition is unknowable. :banghead BTW, I like Bachar too........ATM.
How dare you, Ruandaidh, this is Texas and in Texas one does not argue with the magisterium :P remember, theism is synonymous with morality, and to be secular, or a-theist, is to be without moral..... You redneck :banghead :rollin
If this wasn't such a big deal and no one cared then it would of been a non-event, instead we've got discussions and articles.
Will I be allowed to pray to the Flying spaghetti monster in these rooms? I also demand a strainer to be worn as a hat. Failure to comply will result in noodly wrath.
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ooh my who gives a stuff if there is a room or isnt.
its only a room which you more than likely will never see or pass so again who cares.
if its going to give us more members from Houli's contacts then im all for it. i would be the same if it was a Jew, catholic, christian again its a room for crying out loud.
i bet you wouldnt oppose another TAB yet oppose a room that you will never go into or pass.
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Bachar is a pioneer and doing plenty to break down the fear factors that divide society in this country.
I'm not saying that Bachar is a fan of Sharia Law but it is the essence, along with the Torah and Old Testament, of hierarchical division. Blokes like yours truly are dross to them. Pandering to cultural and/or religious minorities must be seen through this lens, it is divisive by nature. I also noted that now they have the prayer rooms Bachar stated that: "they wont be giving them up" (or words to that effect). This absolutism is a typical trait of an adherent and it has me concerned. Bachar isn't Gandhi FCS (pardon the pun)! ;)
"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" - Thomas Jefferson
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ooh my who gives a stuff if there is a room or isnt.
its only a room which you more than likely will never see or pass so again who cares.
if its going to give us more members from Houli's contacts then im all for it. i would be the same if it was a Jew, catholic, christian again its a room for crying out loud.
i bet you wouldnt oppose another TAB yet oppose a room that you will never go into or pass.
Agree, makes no difference to anyone that it is there. The only people it does make a difference to are those using it . . .
As someone else said on here, if they aren't shoving it down your throat and telling you how to live etc. then this whole thing has been a non event blown way out of proportion.
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ooh my who gives a stuff if there is a room or isnt.
its only a room which you more than likely will never see or pass so again who cares.
if its going to give us more members from Houli's contacts then im all for it. i would be the same if it was a Jew, catholic, christian again its a room for crying out loud.
i bet you wouldnt oppose another TAB yet oppose a room that you will never go into or pass.
Scenario: The 'multi-faith' room at the 'g' begins to overflow and pathways through the various 'bays' are blocked. Any attempt to disturb this action is seen as sacrilege by the worshippers and they react accordingly. What will be your response???? And for those who say it can't happen....exhibit A:
http://muslimvillage.com/2011/09/19/14737/france-bans-public-muslim-prayers/
BTW is is my last post on this matter - I think I've laboured my viewpoint enough.
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I don't mind a prayer room for those of various faiths, but where is my atheist room full of drugs, booze and hookers?
Discrimination.
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I don't mind a prayer room for those of various faiths, but where is my atheist room full of drugs, booze and hookers?
Discrimination.
Obviously wouldn't be able to build a room big enough for what has to be the fastest growing nonreligion! There would be mor people there than at the game!!!
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I don't mind a prayer room for those of various faiths, but where is my atheist room full of drugs, booze and hookers?
Discrimination.
It's called the MCC
Willy is the dealer and the hooker
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I don't mind a prayer room for those of various faiths, but where is my atheist room full of drugs, booze and hookers?
Discrimination.
TAB
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It's none of our stuffing business
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With any luck,a Hashis room is just around the corner
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I don't mind a prayer room for those of various faiths, but where is my atheist room full of drugs, booze and hookers?
Discrimination.
It's called the MCC
Willy is the dealer and the hooker
Cashin cheques/snappin necks
whrorin/scorin
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Tigers can compete with the best, says Bachar Houli
Eliza Sewell
From: Herald Sun
May 29, 2012
RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli says the Tigers feel they can compete with the best teams in the AFL.
The Tigers upset Hawthorn by 62 points on Saturday - their biggest scalp of the season.
Despite falling 10 points short of both West Coast and Geelong earlier in the season, Houli said the players remained confident they would beat a top-four contender.
"We've worked extremely hard over pre-season on our defensive side and believe that we can be right up there with the likes of Essendon, Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn," Houli said.
"Believing in our ability doesn't come easy, but definitely everyone's up and about, week in, week out."
He said that after building the foundations for success, this was the year to deliver.
"Last year and the year before we were probably spending too much time getting games into our younger players," Houli said.
"(Coach) Damien Hardwick has put a stamp on things and said it's no more about development, it's about moving forward and aiming for finals football ... that's been our mentality since pre-season.
"We've put a lot of expectations on ourselves to take the next step and that's evident in the way we're travelling at the moment."
The Tigers lead the league in uncontested possessions and have improved their contested-possession count and their efficiency.
"Chipping it around is our focus, as well as contested football," Houli said.
"We've come a long way with our contested football - last year being in the bottom half of the competition and this year we're right up there with the best.
"We've worked extremely hard on our kicking and handballing technique and mainly just staying relaxed when we've got the football, not taking the perceived pressure."
Richmond takes on St Kilda on Friday night at Etihad Stadium.
And Houli has done his homework.
"The Saints are going pretty well, sitting in the top eight. We're just out, so it's going to be another big challenge," he said.
"We haven't beaten the Saints since 2003, so nine years is quite a long time. They're pretty tough opposition, especially at Etihad.
"We know that their lively forwards are up and about and we've got to come with a game plan to slow them down.
"People forget the experience that the Saints' players have got. A lot of players have played 150 games and their experience is starting to step up again."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/tigers-can-compete-with-the-best-says-bachar-houli/story-e6frf9jf-1226370412301
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Tigers set to attack after long drought
Jon Pierik
The Age
May 29, 2012
RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli says the Tigers have moved out of their development phase and are now expected to deliver on heightened expectations.
While Houli insisted yesterday it was too early to mention the sometimes dreaded F word - finals - it's clear the Tigers are no longer content dealing with honourable defeats.
Those came earlier in the season against Geelong (10-point loss), West Coast (10-points) and Essendon (19-points), but a thumping 62-point win over Hawthorn has shown the Tigers they can compete with the so-called elite sides.
Houli, enjoying another consistent season across half-back with a hardened defensive edge, revealed coach Damien Hardwick had made his intentions clear over the pre-season. ''For us, it was no more about development. Last year and the year before, we were probably spending too much time getting games into our younger players,'' Houli said.
''Damien Hardwick has obviously put a stamp on things and said that it is no more about development, it's about moving forward and aiming for finals football.''
Houli said the Tigers maintained their belief during a tough start to the season when they dropped four of their opening five matches - with the lone victory against insipid Melbourne. ''We have worked extremely hard over the pre-season on our defensive side and believe that we can be right up there with the likes of Essendon, Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn,'' he said. ''Believing in our ability doesn't come easy but definitely everyone is up and about week in, week out.''
This belief has been endorsed by punters. According to TAB Sportsbet, the Tigers were $51 for the flag on the eve of the season, ballooning to $81 after the round-one loss to Carlton. However, there has been strong support since Saturday, with the Tigers now at $17 to break their premiership drought.
Many challenges still await, though, continuing under the bright Friday-night lights when they face a resurgent St Kilda at Etihad Stadium. The Tigers have not beaten the Saints in 14 meetings since April 2003. They drew in their last meeting, in round two last season, but it is ugly reading from there for the Tigers' faithful.
''We haven't beaten the Saints since 2003, so nine years is quite a long time,'' Houli said. ''They are pretty tough opposition, especially at Etihad Stadium. We are looking forward to a massive challenge again.''
The Tigers must also overcome a scratchy record at the Docklands venue. They have lost five of their past six matches at Etihad Stadium, and their past 10 against the Saints at the stadium.
Their high-possession style - Champion Data statistics show the Tigers lead the league in average total disposals and are well ahead in uncontested possessions - would seem more conducive to the MCG but must be replicated at the smaller Etihad venue. To maximise these high number of possessions, the Tigers must find a target. They have successfully achieved this, ranking third in kicking efficiency and second in overall disposal efficiency. ''We have worked extremely hard at our kicking and handballing technique and mainly just staying relaxed when we have the football and not taking the perceived pressure,'' Houli said. ''It's all about staying relaxed and maintaining possession whilst you have got the ball.''
While Jack Riewoldt booted six goals against the Hawks, Houli praised the enigmatic forward's defensive pressure, while delighting in what ruckman Ivan Maric had brought to the club after struggling for a regular senior game at Adelaide last year. ''He has obviously come from a similar background to what I went through at Essendon,'' Houli said.
''His standard of performance has risen a long way. His character at the club stands out a mile, just his leadership with the young guys. His performance on the field shows that as well.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-set-to-attack-after-long-drought-20120528-1zfdl.html#ixzz1wAwZR68y
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VIDEO: Bachar Houli press conference ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/468316/Bachar%20Houli%20press%20conference/
ps. Anyone else having trouble with the link?
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How come Bachar hardly cops a mention in that crucial last minute when he failed to man up on Hunt and stood by himself 10 mts away guarding space and allowed Hunt to mark the ball uncontested?
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i think many here have given up discussing Bachar,as he is now well and truly in the dud basket
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How come Bachar hardly cops a mention in that crucial last minute when he failed to man up on Hunt and stood by himself 10 mts away guarding space and allowed Hunt to mark the ball uncontested?
Because he is a protected species
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Less Taboulli please
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Less Taboulli please
Just saw him, Dimma and Big Ben in the prayer room
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Squibbed in the second quarter on a high ball that cost us a goal too yesterday.
Starting to wear thin with me now.
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Not best 22
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Not best 22
Agree, will make a good depth player once we start plugging the midfield/backline
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Less Taboulli please
Just saw him, Dimma and Big Ben in the prayer room
Keep comments like that to yourself mate.Were here to discuss footy not mention crap like that.
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Less Taboulli please
Just saw him, Dimma and Big Ben in the prayer room
Keep comments like that to yourself mate.Were here to discuss footy not mention crap like that.
If you actually knew a thing or two about this website or its members then you'd know I was taking the pee out of RoyfromCoburg05. It's one of his many quotes he recycles.
Keep your comments to yourself, guy. You've just offended certain posters on this site by saying religion is crap. Heartless :-*
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One of our best last week but struggles with the slippery conditions.
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Bachar has a blog article about the trip to play in Cairns...
The Tigers’ trip to Cairns and Ramadan
Posted by Bachar Houli
July 20, 2012
http://bacharhouli.com.au/the-tigers-trip-to-cairns-and-ramadan
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Bachar has a blog article about the trip to play in Cairns...
The Tigers’ trip to Cairns and Ramadan
Posted by Bachar Houli
July 20, 2012
http://bacharhouli.com.au/the-tigers-trip-to-cairns-and-ramadan
Didn't he play his best footy during Ramadan last year?
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He'll probably play his footy during Ramadan this year. He can't possibly get any worse than what he's shown this year.
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Bachar has a blog article about the trip to play in Cairns...
The Tigers’ trip to Cairns and Ramadan
Posted by Bachar Houli
July 20, 2012
http://bacharhouli.com.au/the-tigers-trip-to-cairns-and-ramadan
Didn't he play his best footy during Ramadan last year?
Thought the footy was an oversized falafel??
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Finds the ball OK, but from personal perspective am very apprehensive what he will do once he has it and whether it can be executed
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Bachar has a blog article about the trip to play in Cairns...
The Tigers’ trip to Cairns and Ramadan
Posted by Bachar Houli
July 20, 2012
http://bacharhouli.com.au/the-tigers-trip-to-cairns-and-ramadan
Didn't he play his best footy during Ramadan last year?
Thought the footy was an oversized falafel??
Mmmm falafel
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Felafel only works well with tahina or as we say in greek tahino :lol
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Felafel only works well with tahina or as we say in greek tahino :lol
Jalapenos :thumbsup
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BSxXhkV0g0A/TH1U5dDpdTI/AAAAAAAABeI/rx-BR_lP5v0/s1600/0810falafel03.jpg)
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(http://www.ukmedix.com/newsimages/impotence-goats-testicles.jpg)
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1BCg-kdrQGI/T_QeIGk8i4I/AAAAAAAADx0/F0wMRv7aa9I/s1600/boston.jpg)
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Geezer planet :lol
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http://bacharhouli.com.au/the-tigers-trip-to-cairns-and-ramadan
"... before setting off to Cazaly’s Stadium for our main training session. That session reminded me of a 35° day during pre-season. I lost 1.5kg in the 45-minute session..."
"My preparations on match-day this time were a little different to others as I had to drink more fluids than normal because of the conditions, to avoid any cramps during the game."
Playing in those conditions will probably have a further effect on us this weekend as well :-\.
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Houli commits to footy and faith
By Jaimee Damon
Wed 25 Jul, 2012
Richmond defender Bachar Houli is feeling great in the first week of his month of fasting for Ramadan.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/142656/default.aspx
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Bachar is a impressive bloke. No surprise but by what he said tonight on Ch 7 he wants Cotch as the next captain with big Ivan in the leadership group.
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Houli commits to footy and faith
If only he could commit to the hard contest ::)
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His confidence looks shot.
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Not drinking water on matchday?
Dear o dear.
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Not drinking water on matchday?
Dear o dear.
Should not be in the team if his religion is more important than football, should be a claus put into his contract to state he cant play during this month.
No players at any standard be it Junior or Professional football should be allowed to play football without hydrating.
Its dangerous & unhealthy for anyone to try this. The Media shouldnot put such things to air.
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Putting a santa on a muslims contract :huh
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Squib. Heard footsteps and dropped a simple one in the second and was a shame he ended up being in the toughest contest of the night when he was slid into by the Carlton player in the last.
In any event he goes one handed and he is a squib.
I have been happy to give him a go for 39 games as of last night I have turned.
Squib.
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has always struggled physically and has always been poor under pressure.when houli nbecomes our 25th player instead of our 16th we may become a decent consistent side.
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Houli slid into andy.collins.
Superbrave bacha
Squib. Heard footsteps and dropped a simple one in the second and was a shame he ended up being in the toughest contest of the night when he was slid into by the Carlton player in the last.
In any event he goes one handed and he is a squib.
I have been happy to give him a go for 39 games as of last night I have turned.
Squib.
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LMAO @ going for a contested ball against Collins being super brave
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weak prick
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l thought he might of been a bit dehydrated & then l realized he was running around with his tongue hanging out & his god was giving him water ;D
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id like to Ramadam one up his arse
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Drop him and Grigg both soft as butter
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Hardwicks pet
A scared footballer a poor decision maker and hit miss by foot and hand
Rfc starts two men short down back with him and Newman
One loses the footy the other cant find it they both need to be passed onto Coburg
Sad but honest truth the rfc must move these scared weird little guys on
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20 and 1
good game from the falafel
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I actually thought Bachar was very good for us last night apart from that one mistake where he got cornered in the backline.
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Was a return to his 2010 form last night, our best defender.
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Chicken litter
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I actually thought Bachar was very good for us last night apart from that one mistake where he got cornered in the backline.
That's the problem with Bachar he didn't get cornered he cornered himself as he had a few options to dispose of the footy but he hung onto it for far too long.
Needs to just get back to his instictive footy where the scoreboard or any other game environmental situations don't matter and he'll be a much better player for it.
He is still a squib IMHO.
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Was a return to his 2010 form last night, our best defender.
Was he good for Bendigo in 2010?
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Good evening coach where have you been?
Sobered up from the merlot :cheers
More or less Taboulli ?
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Yeah starting to sober up mate :cheers
Not feeling real well at the moment. I'll come round for some Tabouli tomorrow morning before work. ;D
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Offers depth but not sure if he is in our best 22 going forward...main prob I have is his decision making/ability to execute under pressure - seems to panic and/or make poor choices & skill errors
Hardwicks pet
Rfc starts two men short down back with him and Newman
One loses the footy the other cant find it they both need to be passed onto Coburg
Sad but honest truth the rfc must move these scared weird little guys on
^ think the knock on Newy is a bit harsh mate...would've thought he's a) earnt his spot & b) one of the only leaders we have down back in amongst so many young defenders...also don't think finding the ball is his issue - one of our better kicks & uses of it coming off half back
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Was a return to his 2010 form last night, our best defender.
Was he good for Bendigo in 2010?
:lol
Yep, my bad. Let's try that again. Was a return to his 2011 form last night.
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Gee that pass to j brown was cringe worthy.
In regards to houli being best 18/22. I feel he is in trouble.
You play at least 6 talks. If not 7. So that's only 15 or 16 post ions goes our highly skilled squib.
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Don't have an issue with that pass that Jonno intercepted. No-one, repeat no-one, presented and Houli was waiting for someone to present. Finally Reece moved and the pass would have hit him on the tit.
Last week we bemoan the Morris and Ellis blind kicks that cost us goals and victory. Here you have a guy actually showing poise and looking for an avenue and he still gets criticised.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Ballerinas have poise also but you still need to be clean as rhysjones said we turn the ball over to easy and all culprits must be identified if we are to progress
Difference be winningby A kick than losing by a kick
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HK Ellis and Morris were under immense pressure as they kicked, Houli on the other hand had marked and had plenty of time to weigh up his options before kicking.
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Don't have an issue with that pass that Jonno intercepted. No-one, repeat no-one, presented and Houli was waiting for someone to present. Finally Reece moved and the pass would have hit him on the tit.
Last week we bemoan the Morris and Ellis blind kicks that cost us goals and victory. Here you have a guy actually showing poise and looking for an avenue and he still gets criticised.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
No, just damned if you do. I'm not a fan of conceding ground at the best of times. But Houli's first instinct when he got the ball was to turn around and sprint 30 metres back towards our own goal, then try to square it up with a pass back into the corridor which was intercepted. It was just stupid, stupid, stupid and you better believe I was cursing him when the resultant goal brought them to within a frightening 14 points. In a situation like that, if nobody is presenting upfield surely the best thing to do is roost it as far up the boundary line as you can and pray to Allah that it rolls out.
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No, just damned if you do. I'm not a fan of conceding ground at the best of times. But Houli's first instinct when he got the ball was to turn around and sprint 30 metres back towards our own goal, then try to square it up with a pass back into the corridor which was intercepted. It was just stupid, stupid, stupid and you better believe I was cursing him when the resultant goal brought them to within a frightening 14 points. In a situation like that, if nobody is presenting upfield surely the best thing to do is roost it as far up the boundary line as you can and pray to Allah that it rolls out.
Spot on
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Even though Houli ran backwards and kicked inboard - you got to ask where was the support? Why was his only option inboard and why was they player calling for it? It was not just Houli that had brain fades in that period - that was just the the most prominent one and a goal was conceded.
Perhaps it did the team a favor as they started to run more and kicked 6 straight afterwards.
Houli had played a good game before and after that incident. Deserves his spot - has courage
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It was just stupid, stupid, stupid
Many of our players look backwards before looking forwards. Look at Conca for example.
They play the way they have been coached to play. No point hating the player.
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Deserves his spot
By the skin of his teeth coz there's nobody else to take his spot at the moment
has courage
No
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By the skin of his teeth coz there's nobody else to take his spot at the moment
Jordon Russell?
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It was just stupid, stupid, stupid
Many of our players look backwards before looking forwards. Look at Conca for example.
They play the way they have been coached to play. No point hating the player.
lol
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If I see a player dive head first into a pack to win the ball - I say they have courage.
In the current Tigers team - there are not too many soft option takers - when it's their turn to put their head in, they do it - Houli is no exception
The only person I've seen squib (if that's the right term) is Addam Maric against North - but its the one thing/area that Hardwick appears to be getting right consistantly with the team
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Nope still disagree .i think during most games i have seen this year bacha has been a little shy when it comes to the hard ball.As i said this is justy my opinion and hope bacha ends up proving me completely and utterly wrong
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Bach has done his fair share o squibbing.
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Do you really want Houli going into the packs and handballing it out to Jackson, Edwards, Dea, Ellis, Rance etc so that they can butcher the ball? He is playing his role. He goes in when he needs to. But mostly he makes position for the hand ball or short pass. He does need to run and carry a bit more. If we played more like Geelong, he would be a far more damaging player.
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Do you really want Houli going into the packs and handballing it out to Jackson, Edwards, Dea, Ellis, Rance etc so that they can butcher the ball? He is playing his role. He goes in when he needs to. But mostly he makes position for the hand ball or short pass. He does need to run and carry a bit more. If we played more like Geelong, he would be a far more damaging player.
I don't think that's people issues, certainly not mine. It's when the ball is in front of him and he has to go to take possession because it's either him or the opposition, that's when he squibs it because he is scared of the on coming player.
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Do you really want Houli going into the packs and handballing it out to Jackson, Edwards, Dea, Ellis, Rance etc so that they can butcher the ball? He is playing his role. He goes in when he needs to. But mostly he makes position for the hand ball or short pass. He does need to run and carry a bit more. If we played more like Geelong, he would be a far more damaging player.
I don't think that's people issues, certainly not mine. It's when the ball is in front of him and he has to go to take possession because it's either him or the opposition, that's when he squibs it because he is scared of the on coming player.
that's it
grigg is the same
they dont do it all the time but a lot more often than most and when you see rance, morris, king et al do it all the time every time, sheesh
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FFS even Gerks can see it ::)
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well stuff him off along with Grigg then you bunch of stuffing sooks. fair dinkum
Have they improved our list?
do we have about 15-20 duds worse than them on the list that need to be cleared first?
so what exactly is the problem then u bunch of whining women? :whistle
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stfu tony ;D
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well stuff him off along with Grigg then you bunch of stuffing sooks. fair dinkum
Have they improved our list?
do we have about 15-20 duds worse than them on the list that need to be cleared first?
so what exactly is the problem then u bunch of whining women? :whistle
why are you angry? ;D
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someone has their period
(it's tony)
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well stuff him off along with Grigg then you bunch of stuffing sooks. fair dinkum
Have they improved our list?
do we have about 15-20 duds worse than them on the list that need to be cleared first?
so what exactly is the problem then u bunch of whining women? :whistle
Correct :thumbsup
Tabouli, Grigg, Conca, Ellis are all worthy to be on the list. How well they are rated is a personal preference but lets be serious here, Grigg and Houli, have faults but are no where near these spuds
My order of most useless and should depart Punt Road ASAP.
Graham
Brown
Miller
Mcguane
Derrickx
Jackson
Webberley
Moore
Edwards (Trade while there is 2/3 round value)
Newman( seen enough as player and captain. We need a leader who leads not a hack)
Maric, seen enough don't want to see more. If his a depth player then i'm Caster Semenya
King survives a year for cover in case Nahas goes down
Post should play out the year. If the result is as i expect it to be then its curtains for him.
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Unless its Andy collins
Do you really want Houli going into the packs and handballing it out to Jackson, Edwards, Dea, Ellis, Rance etc so that they can butcher the ball? He is playing his role. He goes in when he needs to. But mostly he makes position for the hand ball or short pass. He does need to run and carry a bit more. If we played more like Geelong, he would be a far more damaging player.
I don't think that's people issues, certainly not mine. It's when the ball is in front of him and he has to go to take possession because it's either him or the opposition, that's when he squibs it because he is scared of the on coming player.
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Gee that pass to j brown was cringe worthy.
In regards to houli being best 18/22. I feel he is in trouble.
You play at least 6 talks. If not 7. So that's only 15 or 16 post ions goes our highly skilled squib.
7 talls sometimes 8.
riewoldt
vickery
elton
grimes
rance
griffiths
post
astbury
doesnt play forward so hes not in competition with sml/med forwards so theres another 3 spots at least gone.
king
nahas
ohanlon
thats a total of 10 leaves him competing for 12 spots either in the backline or in the midfield.
batchelor
conca
cotchin
deledio
ellis
foley
grigg
martin
morris
newman
tuck.
dea - this is the only player houli is a better performer than but dea has plenty to offer and is in development.
leaves one spot so houli would be in competition with the following players to be top 22.
arnot
helbig
jackson
moore
webberley
white.
to me houli is very much fringe best 22 and if we recruit our fair share of mids he is not guaranteed a game any more.
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:santa :santa :santa
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:santa :santa :santa
What?
Non of that was crazy talk.
I see houi playing 2nds round 1 2013 if we have good injuryrun
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:santa :santa :santa
What?
Non of that was crazy talk.
I see houi playing 2nds round 1 2013 if we have good injuryrun
:lol not even close
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Use your big boy brain -
Who will miss the side to fit in houi? Grigg? Conca?
A fit Foley would hurt his options further.
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Use your big boy brain -
Who will miss the side to fit in houi? Grigg? Conca?
A fit Foley would hurt his options further.
come on bents, whose a better distributor than Bachar down back? Rance? Dea? Grimes? Morris? Moore? (no disrespect to them)The only ones at that level are Newman and Batchelor (Ellis will be too one day, but long term hes a midfielder anyway). He's not perfect and has weaknesses he needs to work on of course, but he has more tools than a lot of our players and his positives outweigh his negatives for mine. His commitment needs to be more consistent, but i also think he cops a raw deal from some, nowhere near as soft as portrayed.
Easily a best 22 player at this stage, perhaps in 2 years if his development has plateaued he wont be, but right now I believe this conversation is a bit ridiculous.
For mine theres a place for Newman, Morris, Batchelor, Ellis, Conca, Houli and Grigg in our HB/wing rotations at this stage in time. The players that need to be looked at before him in the overall scheme of things are jackson, Edwards, Moore, Dea, King even Newman.
He played a very good game against Brisbane, total commitment physically and mentally and made one glaring error, and incredibly you have people pointing out that one error as to why hes such a hack... give me a break.
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:santa :santa :santa
oh deary me ... ;)
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:santa :santa :santa
oh deary me ... ;)
no worries santa, write a letter to punt road and tell em their dreamin that houli, Rance and nahas are best 22 :santa
While your at it, tell them to seriously look at trading Vickery(if anybody will take the dud) as he offers zero in the ruck and not much more as a tall fwd :santa
just stuffing gold
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:santa :santa :santa
oh deary me ... ;)
no worries santa, write a letter to punt road and tell em their dreamin that houli, Rance and nahas are best 22 :santa
While your at it, tell them to seriously look at trading Vickery(if anybody will take the dud) as he offers zero in the ruck and not much more as a tall fwd :santa
just stuffing gold
mate your a funny fellow. i stand by my above post.
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Stick to the discussion without the namecalling and insults ppl!
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No need to go below the belt santa :shh
Grimes keeps getting injured bc hes under sized :santa
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Yep small hammys
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Bachar certainly made Essendon pay last night for letting him for nothing to us. Probably his best game for the year. Thanks once again Bombers :lol
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Ramadan all done
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Bachar certainly made Essendon pay last night for letting him for nothing to us. Probably his best game for the year. Thanks once again Bombers :lol
Posters on here pot Bachar
I love him as a player
All about team first
Does the right thing more often than not
Great game last night :thumbsup
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goes missing too often , harden up and get tough
you can see he is a mummys boy just like nahas
both soft both fall over too easy both stuff up under pressure
they should follow deledio and conca and see what a real man eats lives is !
Edit: Leave out the comments mocking his religious beliefs
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Your are a disgrace username
You should be banned :police:
You not funny either
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goes missing too often , harden up and get tough
you can see he is a mummys boy just like nahas
both soft both fall over too easy both stuff up under pressure
they should follow deledio and conca and see what a real man eats lives is !
I'm not keen on his proselytizing, however, your racist comments says more about your weak nature/character. I tell you what, how about going to an Eid Festival proclaiming that red-neck crap. You would be 'put-to-sleep' in 10 seconds.
Edit: removed offending text inside quote
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A last heplayed a good game against ess, well done bach, classy effort last night :clapping
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goes missing too often , harden up and get tough
you can see he is a mummys boy just like nahas
both soft both fall over too easy both stuff up under pressure
they should follow deledio and conca and see what a real man eats lives is !
I'm not keen on his proselytizing, however, your racist comments says more about your weak nature/character. I tell you what, how about going to an Eid Festival proclaiming that red-neck crap. You would be 'put-to-sleep' in 10 seconds.
Edit: removed offending text inside quote
I think you are missing the Italian angle here, let the red necks off on this one I think
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Great game Bachar - run from half back was constant
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Great game Bachar - run from half back was constant
Agree BPB. One of his better games for the season - if he kept that up he would be a walk-up start in our best 22.
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I had almost forgot how it was to see him play well.
Shame we dont play the bummers every other week.
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Tigers’ defender Bachar Houli, in the latest blog for his web site, bacharhouli.com.au, gave fans an insight into the training load of a player during the off-season.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/149700/default.aspx
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AFL website's interview with Houli ....
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150907/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
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Tiger and AFL multicultural ambassador Bachar Houli acknowledged for breaking down divide
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/afl-multicultural-ambassador-bachar-houli-acknowledged-with-award-for-breaking-down-divide/story-e6frf9jf-1226533190733
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Divide.between 18-28 best player on the.list.
18-35 over rammadun.
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Tiger and AFL multicultural ambassador Bachar Houli acknowledged for breaking down divide
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/afl-multicultural-ambassador-bachar-houli-acknowledged-with-award-for-breaking-down-divide/story-e6frf9jf-1226533190733
Thanks for the link OE but I refuse to pay for the rare decent piece of journalism in that cesspit of muck-raking, rumour-mongering and opinionated collection of cut and paste crap that masquerades as a frontline newspaper. Not that our CM is any better but at least they don't have the audacity to charge for it..............................yet.
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Is there any chance posters could put a "subscription required" note when posting paid links? Its damn frustrating. :banghead
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Just copy and past the article title in Google, click on the news link that comes up and its free viewing ;)
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The RFC website has the story which is freely accessible....
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152234/default.aspx
Just copy and past the article title in Google, click on the news link that comes up and its free viewing ;)
:thumbsup
Sometimes changing 'heraldsun.com.au' to 'news.com.au' in the URL also works.
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Just copy and past the article title in Google, click on the news link that comes up and its free viewing ;)
They are aware of this but purposely allow it as it bumps up their views and click throughs :rollin
a bit OT, but can't wait to see their new readership figures since they started charging for digital.
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VIDEO: Bachar Houli press conference - Mon. Dec. 10 ....
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/508925/Bachar%20Houli%20press%20conference/
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anyone else sick to death of this cultural ambassador bull dust. why do we have to mention his culture every time we talk about him. hes either an aussie or hes not. i dont see any divides that need breaking down hes supposed to be a part of what is primarily a liberal western democratic christian country that is already very tolerant of all types and all religions.join in or stuff off i say.
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hes either an aussie or hes not. i dont see any divides
Yes but you also dont see the potential of 200cm+ CHFs / CHBs pinch hitting in the ruck; in the era of Leigh Brown winning a flag in this very role. So diversity and flexibilty may not be your strong points :shh
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VIDEO: Houli's 'supergoal' against Melbourne last night ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-02-23/houli-supergoal
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One of the things i love about our game is its ability to unify all cultures.By highlighting the muslim,or sudanese cultures it draws our attention to something many of us would not be exposed to ,and thus makes us more understanding and able to get on with each other.In many cases fear and hatred of something is bought about by an inability to understand where another person is and where they are coming from...
In Europe for example some of the football clubs have been infiltrated by extremist groups and can make going to watch a game a most unpleasant experience.Opposition supporters are kept well away from each other.Our game doesnt have that.Carlton and richmond supporters can sit alongside each other .
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Pretty silly comment.
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hes either an aussie or hes not. i dont see any divides
Yes but you also dont see the potential of 200cm+ CHFs / CHBs pinch hitting in the ruck; in the era of Leigh Brown winning a flag in this very role. So diversity and flexibilty may not be your strong points :shh
cant i reckon you have your wires crossed.
have never said 200cm players should not be used as ruckmen but i have said we should not forgo our tall structure in doing so.
brown made up up a trimvirate of brown cloke and dawes. when he went on the ball they still had their two tall kpfs. brown wasnt expected to play kp and ruck.
pods hawkins and ottens ring a bell at no time would they be without their two kpps. otto would just rest in a pocket and provide a 3rd tall target who had to be respected.
wce kennedy lynch darling with one of the two in cox and natanui going forward.
most sideskeep their structure we dont.
most of the time we have just jack and vickery and when vickery spends his time on ball leaving just jack to be double and triple teamed.not a good scenario for a team who bombs it long a lot.
ive always said we have a genuine ruckman in vickey who should be developed in time as our #1 ruck. we should not be asking him to perform at chf and spend significant time in the ruck 30/40% of a game. hes a bonus player to us because like ottens hes capable of playing forward. all ive ever really asked is we actually develop vickery in his ruck role more and we maintain structure when he is in the ruck.
hence ive constantly called for griffiths or stbury to be developed as a forward creating our own triumvirate of riewoldt, griffiths, and vickery as the third tall/second ruck.
surely we can learn from what other clubs have done succesfully and what has bought them success.
we all agree our forward line doesnt function too well just maybe the structure is all wrong.
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hes either an aussie or hes not. i dont see any divides
Yes but you also dont see the potential of 200cm+ CHFs / CHBs pinch hitting in the ruck; in the era of Leigh Brown winning a flag in this very role. So diversity and flexibilty may not be your strong points :shh
cant i reckon you have your wires crossed.
have never said 200cm players should not be used as ruckmen but i have said we should not forgo our tall structure in doing so.
brown made up up a trimvirate of brown cloke and dawes. when he went on the ball they still had their two tall kpfs. brown wasnt expected to play kp and ruck.
pods hawkins and ottens ring a bell at no time would they be without their two kpps. otto would just rest in a pocket and provide a 3rd tall target who had to be respected.
wce kennedy lynch darling with one of the two in cox and natanui going forward.
most sideskeep their structure we dont.
most of the time we have just jack and vickery and when vickery spends his time on ball leaving just jack to be double and triple teamed.not a good scenario for a team who bombs it long a lot.
ive always said we have a genuine ruckman in vickey who should be developed in time as our #1 ruck. we should not be asking him to perform at chf and spend significant time in the ruck 30/40% of a game. hes a bonus player to us because like ottens hes capable of playing forward. all ive ever really asked is we actually develop vickery in his ruck role more and we maintain structure when he is in the ruck.
hence ive constantly called for griffiths or stbury to be developed as a forward creating our own triumvirate of riewoldt, griffiths, and vickery as the third tall/second ruck.
surely we can learn from what other clubs have done succesfully and what has bought them success.
we all agree our forward line doesnt function too well just maybe the structure is all wrong.
Claw
What you say makes sense to me. :thumbsup
Do you know if Jack/Griff/Vickery up forward has ever been seriously tried?
:cheers
'65
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It
Has
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hes either an aussie or hes not. i dont see any divides
Yes but you also dont see the potential of 200cm+ CHFs / CHBs pinch hitting in the ruck; in the era of Leigh Brown winning a flag in this very role. So diversity and flexibilty may not be your strong points :shh
cant i reckon you have your wires crossed.
have never said 200cm players should not be used as ruckmen but i have said we should not forgo our tall structure in doing so.
brown made up up a trimvirate of brown cloke and dawes. when he went on the ball they still had their two tall kpfs. brown wasnt expected to play kp and ruck.
pods hawkins and ottens ring a bell at no time would they be without their two kpps. otto would just rest in a pocket and provide a 3rd tall target who had to be respected.
wce kennedy lynch darling with one of the two in cox and natanui going forward.
most sideskeep their structure we dont.
most of the time we have just jack and vickery and when vickery spends his time on ball leaving just jack to be double and triple teamed.not a good scenario for a team who bombs it long a lot.
ive always said we have a genuine ruckman in vickey who should be developed in time as our #1 ruck. we should not be asking him to perform at chf and spend significant time in the ruck 30/40% of a game. hes a bonus player to us because like ottens hes capable of playing forward. all ive ever really asked is we actually develop vickery in his ruck role more and we maintain structure when he is in the ruck.
hence ive constantly called for griffiths or stbury to be developed as a forward creating our own triumvirate of riewoldt, griffiths, and vickery as the third tall/second ruck.
surely we can learn from what other clubs have done succesfully and what has bought them success.
we all agree our forward line doesnt function too well just maybe the structure is all wrong.
What about when Cox and Nik Nat both play in the middle???
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hes either an aussie or hes not. i dont see any divides
Yes but you also dont see the potential of 200cm+ CHFs / CHBs pinch hitting in the ruck; in the era of Leigh Brown winning a flag in this very role. So diversity and flexibilty may not be your strong points :shh
cant i reckon you have your wires crossed.
have never said 200cm players should not be used as ruckmen but i have said we should not forgo our tall structure in doing so.
brown made up up a trimvirate of brown cloke and dawes. when he went on the ball they still had their two tall kpfs. brown wasnt expected to play kp and ruck.
pods hawkins and ottens ring a bell at no time would they be without their two kpps. otto would just rest in a pocket and provide a 3rd tall target who had to be respected.
wce kennedy lynch darling with one of the two in cox and natanui going forward.
most sideskeep their structure we dont.
most of the time we have just jack and vickery and when vickery spends his time on ball leaving just jack to be double and triple teamed.not a good scenario for a team who bombs it long a lot.
ive always said we have a genuine ruckman in vickey who should be developed in time as our #1 ruck. we should not be asking him to perform at chf and spend significant time in the ruck 30/40% of a game. hes a bonus player to us because like ottens hes capable of playing forward. all ive ever really asked is we actually develop vickery in his ruck role more and we maintain structure when he is in the ruck.
hence ive constantly called for griffiths or stbury to be developed as a forward creating our own triumvirate of riewoldt, griffiths, and vickery as the third tall/second ruck.
surely we can learn from what other clubs have done succesfully and what has bought them success.
we all agree our forward line doesnt function too well just maybe the structure is all wrong.
Do you choose to ignore this post because you don't have an answer, or missed it?
Collingwood? FF CHF Dawes, Dawes pinch hits.
Adelaide? Tippet CHF FF and pinch hits (well used to haha)
Calrton had Hampton play CHF FF and pinch hit
Essendon and Ryder?
Hawks and Roughy?
Saints and Kosi
Theres a lot of teams that have their second ruckman playing KP
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Dwayne called him Bakka again lol
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hes either an aussie or hes not. i dont see any divides
Yes but you also dont see the potential of 200cm+ CHFs / CHBs pinch hitting in the ruck; in the era of Leigh Brown winning a flag in this very role. So diversity and flexibilty may not be your strong points :shh
cant i reckon you have your wires crossed.
have never said 200cm players should not be used as ruckmen but i have said we should not forgo our tall structure in doing so.
brown made up up a trimvirate of brown cloke and dawes. when he went on the ball they still had their two tall kpfs. brown wasnt expected to play kp and ruck.
pods hawkins and ottens ring a bell at no time would they be without their two kpps. otto would just rest in a pocket and provide a 3rd tall target who had to be respected.
wce kennedy lynch darling with one of the two in cox and natanui going forward.
most sideskeep their structure we dont.
most of the time we have just jack and vickery and when vickery spends his time on ball leaving just jack to be double and triple teamed.not a good scenario for a team who bombs it long a lot.
ive always said we have a genuine ruckman in vickey who should be developed in time as our #1 ruck. we should not be asking him to perform at chf and spend significant time in the ruck 30/40% of a game. hes a bonus player to us because like ottens hes capable of playing forward. all ive ever really asked is we actually develop vickery in his ruck role more and we maintain structure when he is in the ruck.
hence ive constantly called for griffiths or stbury to be developed as a forward creating our own triumvirate of riewoldt, griffiths, and vickery as the third tall/second ruck.
surely we can learn from what other clubs have done succesfully and what has bought them success.
we all agree our forward line doesnt function too well just maybe the structure is all wrong.
What about when Cox and Nik Nat both play in the middle???
i think the point being made was losing structure when your for/ruck went into the ruck. do wce lose structure if cox and nic nat both play on ball. not with lynch kennedy and darling still forward.
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What about when Lynch pulls on a Maggies jumper? :shh
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Dwayne called him Bakka again lol
thats how u say it
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Hardwick backs Houli rating
By richmondfc.com.au
March 9, 2013
Hardwick believes Houli, who was starved of opportunities in a four-year career at Essendon, is elite for the position he now plays in at Tigerland.
“As a half-back flanker, he is elite at what he does,” Hardwick said.
“He wins the ball back well, he uses it effectively by hand and foot, and he plays the role that we want in the side to an elite level.”
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-03-08/hardwick-backs-houli-rating
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VIDEO: Houli interviewed post-NAB round 3 ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-03-10/preseason-3-bachar-houli
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Bachar is a better player than I first thought and Brandon Ellis is a very good young footballer
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Bachar is a better player than I first thought and Brandon Ellis is a very good young footballer
Agreed. :thumbsup
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Bach looks in good nick this summer.
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Every team needs a talented.squib ;)
I like Bacha. My.only.worry is no room for bachelor.
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Bach looks in good nick this summer.
I agree. He looks to have stepped up a cog. :thumbsup
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Houli sets the bar higher
By richmondfc.com.au
Monday, March 11, 2013
Richmond defender Bachar Houli has been a revelation for the Tigers since crossing from Essendon at the end of 2010.
But despite two years of excellent performances – he has played every game since arriving at Tigerland – the 24-year-old wants to take his game to another level.
Heading into the 2013 season, he has a simple goal.
“Just to keep improving. For me as a running half back, I want to get the defensive side of my game up there, and let the offensive side look after itself,” Houli said.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-03-11/houli-sets-the-bar-higher
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If Supercoach is anything to go by, Bachar was in the top 3 during the NAB Cup.
TOP 10 NAB CUP SUPERCOACH AVERAGES
(min 3 games)
118.8 Daniel Rich (BL) $485,800 mid
117.0 Andrew Swallow (NM) $585,100 mid
116.8 Bachar Houli (Rich) $444,800 def
116.0 Gary Ablett (GC) $740,500 mid
112.0 Josh Kennedy (Syd) $643,000 mid
111.8 Brendon Goddard (Ess) $541,500 def/mid
109.7 Dane Swan (Coll) $675,300 mid
108.5 Jarrad McVeigh (Syd) $526,000 mid
107.5 Joel Selwood (Geel) $629,500 mid
106.5 Jack Watts (Melb) $460,100 def/fwd
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/supercoach-news/every-supercoach-score-from-the-2013-nab-cup-and-practice-matches/story-fn88c7kz-1226600597963
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I know you can't read too much into pre season but have been super impressed by Bachar's work. Looks set for his best season yet..
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Would like to see him go to Coburg this week. With Buldogs to come Nick V could come straight in for him.
Worst game I've seen him play tonight.
He was hopeless
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His first 2 games have been below par, but I think he might have one more chance left in the bank after 46 straight games for the tiges.
But then again, I thought Nahas' 35 goals last year might have bought him an extra week but I was wrong.
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No more chances fromme, he's being cut from my dream team, wtf was I thinking?
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I agree, we can't keep carrying both Grigg and Houli. One needs to go and knights or Vlas needs to come in.
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Grigg has got the 4th most pill so far. Would be dropping Houli well before Grigg. More so, I feel we have more HBFs; Vlastuin, Helbig than outside possession gathering wingmen waiting in the wings. no pun intended. Houli should be dropped for the non-tackle on Gilbert Q3 14 min
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Grigg has got the 4th most pill so far. Would be dropping Houli well before Grigg. More so, I feel we have more HBFs; Vlastuin, Helbig than outside possession gathering wingmen waiting in the wings. no pun intended. Houli should be dropped for the non-tackle on Gilbert Q3 14 min
Would drop Grigg after tonight, no run and that "non effort" in helping Jack in the forward pocket did it for me. Lost me tonight after that terrible
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Houli played a more defensive role this week and probably will get less numbers against teams with such as the Saints going forward who have a larger number of mosquito fleet to contend with. Grigg will continue to play off the wing but the Saints mids were very accountable tonight which is why all midfielders numbers are down.
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Vlastuin
Helbig
Dea
McIntosh
Knights
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Grigg has got the 4th most pill so far. Would be dropping Houli well before Grigg. More so, I feel we have more HBFs; Vlastuin, Helbig than outside possession gathering wingmen waiting in the wings. no pun intended. Houli should be dropped for the non-tackle on Gilbert Q3 14 min
Would drop Grigg after tonight, no run and that "non effort" in helping Jack in the forward pocket did it for me. Lost me tonight after that terrible
Vlas in for Grigg!?
Grigg imo needs to go to Coburg and learn how to stop kicking helicopters. Hopefully Vlas and Knights in if we can find a way to do that.
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Atleast when Houli squidded it(probably 5th time that game) with his non tackle he had a cracking few efforts following it, Grigg just doesn't go unless his getting a cheap possy and just bombs it 90% of the time. Martin seemed to be doing the same thing but at least he has some power to it, Griggs just floats up and down.
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Was that some Juddesque martial art move he made on an Ainter when he gave away the free
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I like this blokes run and skill that he brings to the team but stuff me dead he is the softest player !! Just watching the replay of the carlton game, gets a tap on the head after taking a mark and flops to the ground spreading his arms as if he has been knocked out by a Mike Tyson left hook... nothing tough about playing for free's and 50's Im sure dimma wouldnt have liked this either.
This is funny to me because he has 'life and death' and 'intensity' on his arm bands...
Edited for avoiding the swear filter
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Life and death in a tent city by Bachar Houli
Amazon top ten bestseller in fiction
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Ramadan 2013 begins in the evening of
Monday, July 8
and ends in the evening of
Wednesday, August 7
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Life and death in a tent city by Bachar Houli
Amazon top ten bestseller in fiction
:lol :lol
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Once again thank you Essendon ;D. Houli tore the dogs to shreds off half-back.
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Gave them their best pass to a forward to
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haha yeah, was just..one of those things, apart from that he slotted a redemption goal and played well, carved em up provided some good rebound.
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Honestly the worst turnover I have ever seen. Brought his good game down to just a run in the mill game. No excuses when you hit an opposition forward on the tit directly in front with no one even 10 meters around him
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Honestly the worst turnover I have ever seen. Brought his good game down to just a run in the mill game. No excuses when you hit an opposition forward on the tit directly in front with no one even 10 meters around him
Agreed I thought his game was great in therms of his rebound, pressure and effort but the hit up Jones when noone was around him just sticks out. As you have mentioned Yeahright a great game was downgraded by that one error.
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It seemed to take the wind out his sails bc to that point his run and rebound was tearing the dogs a new one. Didnt notice him much after that
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one of those freaky things .. I think he somehow thought Jones was in a Tigers jumper.. one mistake who cares... big worry is rance.. let a no body beat him.. wait til we play norf and rance plays Petrie into form
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one of those freaky things .. I think he somehow thought Jones was in a Tigers jumper.. one mistake who cares... big worry is rance.. let a no body beat him.. wait til we play norf and rance plays Petrie into form
Not sure Jones beat him, but Rance definitively didn't look good falling over a lot. At best Rance broke even
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he kicked 4 goals from a low.scoring side
could have had 6 .. he beat rance hands down and be is a.m. body
cloke will monster rance next week.. hope Chaplin or Grimes play on cloke cos if rance does cloke will kick 10
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Really good game apart from that one error.
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I just thought that "kick" was a mis-kick, a shank nothing sinsiter just a skill error
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I just thought that "kick" was a mis-kick, a shank nothing sinsiter just a skill error
X2
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Perfect Tigers a surprise for Houli
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Monday, April 15, 2013
BACHAR Houli admits he didn't expect the Tigers to enter round four undefeated but says playing for each other is behind their recent success.
Richmond's 67-point win over the Western Bulldogs on Sunday was its third in a row after beating Carlton and St Kilda in previous weeks.
Houli, who was one of the Tigers' best at Etihad Stadium, said the players definitely felt like the wheel had turned as far as their place in the competition was concerned.
"To be quote honest, I didn't really expect to be 3-0 but it's just great to see the momentum building and to see that we're winning close games," Houli told AFL.com.au.
"It's great to see the players are playing together and are playing for each other.
"You see people looking after each other by handballing and bringing people into the game and that's the environment we want to create here at Tigerland.
"It's very, very promising, and you know what? Teams out there are going to fear us and why wouldn't they? We're gelling really well as a group and we're moving forward.
"Our confidence is really high. We know we can get the job done, it's just about sustaining it for four consistent quarters and today was that."
Houli said becoming more defensively minded had become a major goal for the Tigers, as had running out games well.
In the first two matches, they've allowed their opponents to remain in the game instead of putting them away.
But on Sunday, they kicked 13 goals after half-time to the Bulldogs' seven to turn a 32-point lead to a 67-point win.
"We've come a long way. We've made it a massive focus this year, not only up forward but in defence and in the midfield," he said.
"When you haven't got the ball, it's time to locate the opposition and slow them down and turn the ball over."
Meanwhile, Houli had a moment to forget in the third quarter when he marked in the defensive pocket and attempted to kick across the face of goal to a teammate.
Instead of hitting a Tiger, he perfectly lined up an unmanned Liam Jones and gave the Bulldog a set shot directly in front, which he converted.
"It was all planned. I still hit a target," he joked.
"The boys got into me before when we talking in the hot and colds. They were saying there were a few guys who were really effective and didn't turn the ball over.
"I said, 'My efficiency was really good', and they all stopped and looked at me.
"I just started cracking up. It's one of those things that will happen probably once every two years and we had a bit of a laugh about it and I'm sure we will again during the week."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-15/perfect-tigers-a-surprise
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Different role for Houli this year. Far more accountable defensively. Probably getting less of the ball and has a lower efficiency rating as a result. Didn't think it was his best game though...
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I just thought that "kick" was a mis-kick, a shank nothing sinsiter just a skill error
Bloody oath it was a miss-kick. If he was deliberately spotting up Jones then we got real problems.
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Doesn't like body contact,But thats not what he;s in the side for.Leave that too Morris.
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Different role for Houli this year. Far more accountable defensively. Probably getting less of the ball and has a lower efficiency rating as a result. Didn't think it was his best game though...
Was his best for the year imo, but career wise yeah agree
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he kicked 4 goals from a low.scoring side
could have had 6 .. he beat rance hands down and be is a.m. body
cloke will monster rance next week.. hope Chaplin or Grimes play on cloke cos if rance does cloke will kick 10
But he didn't kick them all on Rance is the thing. I'm actually one that sort of agrees with you, needs to improve if we want to be the good sides.
I just thought that "kick" was a mis-kick, a shank nothing sinsiter just a skill error
I don't think anyone was saying it was more than a miss kick. It was just a terrible terrible miss kick
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joel bowden would often pin point passes to the opposition. in fact there is not a player in the league ( who has played a decent number of game) who hasn't done it.
its just that in this it resulted directly in a goal
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joel bowden would often pin point passes to the opposition. in fact there is not a player in the league ( who has played a decent number of game) who hasn't done it.
its just that in this it resulted directly in a goal
Agree incident has been overblown, bad mistake but hardly terminal, had he done it in the last minute in round 1 though.... a lot harder to forgive
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Doesn't like body contact,But thats not what he;s in the side for.Leave that too Morris.
I disagree.
True he is not kamakaze like Morris - but have another look at the game on the weekend. He put his body on the line a number of times.
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joel bowden would often pin point passes to the opposition. in fact there is not a player in the league ( who has played a decent number of game) who hasn't done it.
its just that in this it resulted directly in a goal
From under 9's you're taught not to kick it into the "hot spot".
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joel bowden would often pin point passes to the opposition. in fact there is not a player in the league ( who has played a decent number of game) who hasn't done it.
its just that in this it resulted directly in a goal
From under 9's you're taught not to kick it into the "hot spot".
Ya but the game has changed man.
You have to kick sideways in deep defense to switch.
Its like a back four in soccer passing the ball from one side of the pitch to another to attack from the far wing, were there are less defenders and they are out of position.
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joel bowden would often pin point passes to the opposition. in fact there is not a player in the league ( who has played a decent number of game) who hasn't done it.
its just that in this it resulted directly in a goal
From under 9's you're taught not to kick it into the "hot spot".
:lol and some blokes still do it, no matter how many times you tell em not to., but as bents says, the the game has changed, at the highest level at least. the switch across the ground in the backline is common place in the AFL now, so i have a suspicion that when players do it they are not doing so against the coaches directions.
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joel bowden would often pin point passes to the opposition. in fact there is not a player in the league ( who has played a decent number of game) who hasn't done it.
its just that in this it resulted directly in a goal
From under 9's you're taught not to kick it into the "hot spot".
:lol and some blokes still do it, no matter how many times you tell em not to., but as bents says, the the game has changed, at the highest level at least. the switch across the ground in the backline is common place in the AFL now, so i have a suspicion that when players do it they are not doing so against the coaches directions.
Should go from wing to wing if you're inside opp. 50, not in the middle.
I don't get the excuses, it was a terrible stupid kick. No excuse
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Cotch has shanked a couple that made my jaw drop in the past, everyone lets his slide. He played a pretty good game cept for that, and squared it up with a goal of his own.
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joel bowden would often pin point passes to the opposition. in fact there is not a player in the league ( who has played a decent number of game) who hasn't done it.
its just that in this it resulted directly in a goal
From under 9's you're taught not to kick it into the "hot spot".
:lol and some blokes still do it, no matter how many times you tell em not to., but as bents says, the the game has changed, at the highest level at least. the switch across the ground in the backline is common place in the AFL now, so i have a suspicion that when players do it they are not doing so against the coaches directions.
Should go from wing to wing if you're inside opp. 50, not in the middle.
I don't get the excuses, it was a terrible stupid kick. No excuse
did you know that ostriches dont really their head in the sand?
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Cotch has shanked a couple that made my jaw drop in the past, everyone lets his slide. He played a pretty good game cept for that, and squared it up with a goal of his own.
I was criticised a while ago when I said he needed to clean up his kicking. Atleast his aren't in dangerous positions.
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NO RIGHT FOOT.
None whatsoever. Refuses to even throw it on the right when its completely necessary.
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this is a joke that you'd single him out today
lmao
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Joke why?
he doesnt use the right even when he has no other option.
And I didnt single him out
Ellis was worse and I commented on that fact
Rance was worse
Plenty were worse.
BUT ITS A PET HATE OF MINE THAT AFL FOOTBALLERS ARENT ABLE TO KICK WITH BOTH FEET.
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i think that in the long run players like jacko and bacha whose hand and foot skills are not very good have a limited shelf life.
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:huh
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i think that in the long run players like jacko and bacha whose hand and foot skills are not very good have a limited shelf life.
we are an average middle of the road side and thats because we have too many middle of the road players IMHO.
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i think that in the long run players like jacko and bacha whose hand and foot skills are not very good have a limited shelf life.
we are an average middle of the road side and thats because we have too many middle of the road players IMHO.
:huh FMD we had a down game, next week we will bounce back and everyone will be happy again
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Ill be extremely happy with our season if we finish 8th. Thats middle of the road.
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i think that in the long run players like jacko and bacha whose hand and foot skills are not very good have a limited shelf life.
we are an average middle of the road side and thats because we have too many middle of the road players IMHO.
exactly right but dare suggest we need to at the least look to upgrade on them over a few yrs and you cop it in the neck.id say we are in contention for the 8 at best 7th thru 14th thats where we are at.
houli is a very good kick but only with time and space. any hint of pressure and he panics. he barely has a defensive bone in his body and he has no awareness in traffic. he brings some good things to the table but he also brings plenty of ordinary stuff as well. i can think of 3 or 4 id rather see coming off hb in a pressure game.
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problem from a supporters point of view is that a lot of people cant see that when Hardwick started this job some people said we had a worse list than Fitzroy. That was the starting point, so Hartley went out and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and thats good because that type of player gets you out of the basement but the reality is that they can only get you to the bottom end of the finals at best. Our supporters or some of them at least seem to think that we can be top 4 ... with whom? With recruiting the likes of Aaron Edwards or Chris Knights or Ricky Petterd? Problem is they are probably the same level as Houli and Grigg ... players who will only get you to the bottom reaches of the eight. They arent capable of taking us higher. Frank Jackson has done a good job but Ellis, Conca and Vlastuin are one in the same ... I see them as foot soldiers. Then we have too many weaknesses in our team, Jackson has supposedly been our best player (according to the coaches) I cant see it, Newman is getting on, we only have 1 ruckman, we dont have a big defender who can a key forward to the cleaners. Those are problems that any club has to deal with if they want to go higher.
Our side IMHO is not capable of top4. Our side has a maximum output that may get us to 7th or 8th and thats about it. If we want to finish higher we need to 1) get better players 2) develop our players better 3) have our coaches continue to improve. Thats it in a nutshell. We lost today because they (Collingwood) have better players than us. Thats the reality.
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your not far off the mark ramps, but as i said elsewhere, i dont think it is much that they have better players, but that they are a better team.
games of football, over a period of time, particularly big games, are won by teams, not individuals
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problem from a supporters point of view is that a lot of people cant see that when Hardwick started this job some people said we had a worse list than Fitzroy. That was the starting point, so Hartley went out and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and thats good because that type of player gets you out of the basement but the reality is that they can only get you to the bottom end of the finals at best. Our supporters or some of them at least seem to think that we can be top 4 ... with whom? With recruiting the likes of Aaron Edwards or Chris Knights or Ricky Petterd? Problem is they are probably the same level as Houli and Grigg ... players who will only get you to the bottom reaches of the eight. They arent capable of taking us higher. Frank Jackson has done a good job but Ellis, Conca and Vlastuin are one in the same ... I see them as foot soldiers. Then we have too many weaknesses in our team, Jackson has supposedly been our best player (according to the coaches) I cant see it, Newman is getting on, we only have 1 ruckman, we dont have a big defender who can a key forward to the cleaners. Those are problems that any club has to deal with if they want to go higher.
Our side IMHO is not capable of top4. Our side has a maximum output that may get us to 7th or 8th and thats about it. If we want to finish higher we need to 1) get better players 2) develop our players better 3) have our coaches continue to improve. Thats it in a nutshell. We lost today because they (Collingwood) have better players than us. Thats the reality.
Spot on mate!
Do you think we have improved?
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problem from a supporters point of view is that a lot of people cant see that when Hardwick started this job some people said we had a worse list than Fitzroy. That was the starting point, so Hartley went out and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and thats good because that type of player gets you out of the basement but the reality is that they can only get you to the bottom end of the finals at best. Our supporters or some of them at least seem to think that we can be top 4 ... with whom? With recruiting the likes of Aaron Edwards or Chris Knights or Ricky Petterd? Problem is they are probably the same level as Houli and Grigg ... players who will only get you to the bottom reaches of the eight. They arent capable of taking us higher. Frank Jackson has done a good job but Ellis, Conca and Vlastuin are one in the same ... I see them as foot soldiers. Then we have too many weaknesses in our team, Jackson has supposedly been our best player (according to the coaches) I cant see it, Newman is getting on, we only have 1 ruckman, we dont have a big defender who can a key forward to the cleaners. Those are problems that any club has to deal with if they want to go higher.
Our side IMHO is not capable of top4. Our side has a maximum output that may get us to 7th or 8th and thats about it. If we want to finish higher we need to 1) get better players 2) develop our players better 3) have our coaches continue to improve. Thats it in a nutshell. We lost today because they (Collingwood) have better players than us. Thats the reality.
i agree almost 100% with that. its basically pretty much what ive been saying for ages around here in my confronting way.
the only part i disagree on is vlastuin i reckon we got a beauty in him but like all things it now needs to be proven by the player himself.
imo petterd, a edwards, houli, grigg, maric, knights are all good gets by hartley they enable us to compete against most sides they give experience and some reasonable depth they are basically decent footsoldiers most of the time. and they have enabled to go from a bottom dwellar to a middling team as you put it.
that does not mean we should not be looking to upgrade on them to go to the next level.
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problem from a supporters point of view is that a lot of people cant see that when Hardwick started this job some people said we had a worse list than Fitzroy. That was the starting point, so Hartley went out and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and thats good because that type of player gets you out of the basement but the reality is that they can only get you to the bottom end of the finals at best. Our supporters or some of them at least seem to think that we can be top 4 ... with whom? With recruiting the likes of Aaron Edwards or Chris Knights or Ricky Petterd? Problem is they are probably the same level as Houli and Grigg ... players who will only get you to the bottom reaches of the eight. They arent capable of taking us higher. Frank Jackson has done a good job but Ellis, Conca and Vlastuin are one in the same ... I see them as foot soldiers. Then we have too many weaknesses in our team, Jackson has supposedly been our best player (according to the coaches) I cant see it, Newman is getting on, we only have 1 ruckman, we dont have a big defender who can a key forward to the cleaners. Those are problems that any club has to deal with if they want to go higher.
Our side IMHO is not capable of top4. Our side has a maximum output that may get us to 7th or 8th and thats about it. If we want to finish higher we need to 1) get better players 2) develop our players better 3) have our coaches continue to improve. Thats it in a nutshell. We lost today because they (Collingwood) have better players than us. Thats the reality.
But who's said that in 2013 we were top 4 material? Seriously who? Not many I would have thought and those who have; have clearly over rated our list.
We are one of a number often as that is challenging for 6th-8th this year. Nothing more IMHO
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Houli should be instructed to kick long and not handball it. All handballs are to players under pressure. He has a beautiful long kick that players should run long and wide for him to kick it out of our defence! He is not a defender!!! He is a genuine wingman! If he is to play in defence, he should be loose and be that sweeper out of defence!!!
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I'd say his best half of footy this year.
His desperation and tackling has been first rate.
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I'd say his best half of footy this year.
His desperation and tackling has been first rate.
That spoil on balanwhine :gotigers
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Was thinking someone was going to point out an incident where he took short steps.... ::)
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One of our best tonight IMO. One of the few Tigers out there tonight who showed some poise with the ball.
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In that last play could he have run a little further?
Just asking I can't remember nor am I pointing a finger for khim kicking it when he did.
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I was screaming at him to run in and kick the goal, but he mustn't have heard me, unlike martin when he kicked that goal from the boundry. :P
I think sometimes we are too unselfish. If you have the skills and are in range then go for it. The best option is always the highest percentage one and sometimes that is taking a shot.
I wouldn't be pointing the finger at Bacher over that though
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Vlastuin is a very nice player. Potential A grade when he gets a decent tank.
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Bachar did alright last night, did another trademark fall with legs and arms flying everywhere which makes me laugh
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Vlastuin is a very nice player. Potential A grade when he gets a decent tank.
This is the Houli thread take it somewhere else :police:
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he did burn Knights last night should have passed it off.
personally I reckon he gets short straw from some on here.
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In that last play could he have run a little further?
Just asking I can't remember nor am I pointing a finger for khim kicking it when he did.
Yep should have kept running to get another 5-10 metres, kick mostly scores something.
Don't like what ifs....
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Has upside (some), ie. he is skillful at times.
But Houli is prone to softness. I think this squibness is hurting the side.
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Bye-week break in New Zealand
Posted by Bachar Houli
June 13, 2013
It has been weeks since I have last touched base and a lot happens in a short amount of time when you’re involved in footy. Life isn’t all about being up and about, it’s how quick you bounce back from those low moments that makes you strong.
We had a great win in the West before the bye and went into the bye weekend with a win-loss ratio at 6-4, which is ok, but 7-3 would be a lot more comfortable.
If we were to rate our season so far, we think we’re about a 6/10, so we’re looking forward to showing everyone what we’re made of in the second half of the season.
We have a lot of belief within us, and this next month of footy is a huge challenge, starting this weekend against the Adelaide Crows. We know they’ll be hungry to get back on the winner’s board after their game last weekend.
We’ll be concentrating a lot on our competitiveness around the ball, and setting up defensively when we can’t impact the contest. We’re certainly looking forward to getting back into it after our break.
Speaking of the break, we were given a decent amount of time to get away from the club and freshen up for the second part of the season. I choose to head over to New Zealand and enjoy some of the world’s best fishing. I booked two days of charters and wanted to chase some of the largest kingfish you can get.
Read more at: http://bacharhouli.com.au/bye-week-break-in-new-zealand
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Bye-week break in New Zealand
Posted by Bachar Houli
June 13, 2013
It has been weeks since I have last touched base and a lot happens in a short amount of time when you’re involved in footy. Life isn’t all about being up and about, it’s how quick you bounce back from those low moments that makes you strong.
We had a great win in the West before the bye and went into the bye weekend with a win-loss ratio at 6-4, which is ok, but 7-3 would be a lot more comfortable.
If we were to rate our season so far, we think we’re about a 6/10, so we’re looking forward to showing everyone what we’re made of in the second half of the season.
We have a lot of belief within us, and this next month of footy is a huge challenge, starting this weekend against the Adelaide Crows. We know they’ll be hungry to get back on the winner’s board after their game last weekend.
We’ll be concentrating a lot on our competitiveness around the ball, and setting up defensively when we can’t impact the contest. We’re certainly looking forward to getting back into it after our break.
Speaking of the break, we were given a decent amount of time to get away from the club and freshen up for the second part of the season. I choose to head over to New Zealand and enjoy some of the world’s best fishing. I booked two days of charters and wanted to chase some of the largest kingfish you can get.
Read more at: http://bacharhouli.com.au/bye-week-break-in-new-zealand
What's your mail Bo, did he catch anything?
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There is actually a bacharhouli.com.au? :lol
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Bye-week break in New Zealand
Posted by Bachar Houli
June 13, 2013
It has been weeks since I have last touched base and a lot happens in a short amount of time when you’re involved in footy. Life isn’t all about being up and about, it’s how quick you bounce back from those low moments that makes you strong.
We had a great win in the West before the bye and went into the bye weekend with a win-loss ratio at 6-4, which is ok, but 7-3 would be a lot more comfortable.
If we were to rate our season so far, we think we’re about a 6/10, so we’re looking forward to showing everyone what we’re made of in the second half of the season.
We have a lot of belief within us, and this next month of footy is a huge challenge, starting this weekend against the Adelaide Crows. We know they’ll be hungry to get back on the winner’s board after their game last weekend.
We’ll be concentrating a lot on our competitiveness around the ball, and setting up defensively when we can’t impact the contest. We’re certainly looking forward to getting back into it after our break.
Speaking of the break, we were given a decent amount of time to get away from the club and freshen up for the second part of the season. I choose to head over to New Zealand and enjoy some of the world’s best fishing. I booked two days of charters and wanted to chase some of the largest kingfish you can get.
Read more at: http://bacharhouli.com.au/bye-week-break-in-new-zealand
What's your mail Bo, did he catch anything?
Nope, never even went out on the boat. The weather blew up for the 2 days and both trips were cancelled. Couldn't get on another charter that would chase kingfish so spent the time in Auckland. Now there's a real holiday for you!! ;D
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Caught a big mumma but was too scared to kill it. Morris had to come in and throw it back.
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Bye-week break in New Zealand
Posted by Bachar Houli
June 13, 2013
It has been weeks since I have last touched base and a lot happens in a short amount of time when you’re involved in footy. Life isn’t all about being up and about, it’s how quick you bounce back from those low moments that makes you strong.
We had a great win in the West before the bye and went into the bye weekend with a win-loss ratio at 6-4, which is ok, but 7-3 would be a lot more comfortable.
If we were to rate our season so far, we think we’re about a 6/10, so we’re looking forward to showing everyone what we’re made of in the second half of the season.
We have a lot of belief within us, and this next month of footy is a huge challenge, starting this weekend against the Adelaide Crows. We know they’ll be hungry to get back on the winner’s board after their game last weekend.
We’ll be concentrating a lot on our competitiveness around the ball, and setting up defensively when we can’t impact the contest. We’re certainly looking forward to getting back into it after our break.
Speaking of the break, we were given a decent amount of time to get away from the club and freshen up for the second part of the season. I choose to head over to New Zealand and enjoy some of the world’s best fishing. I booked two days of charters and wanted to chase some of the largest kingfish you can get.
Read more at: http://bacharhouli.com.au/bye-week-break-in-new-zealand
What's your mail Bo, did he catch anything?
Nope, never even went out on the boat. The weather blew up for the 2 days and both trips were cancelled. Couldn't get on another charter that would chase kingfish so spent the time in Auckland. Now there's a real holiday for you!! ;D
I only trust Bo's mail, sorry.
But is that actually true? :lol
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Yeah, it's on the rest of his blog. Reckons he could have had the same holiday just staying at a hotel in Melbourne! :lol
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Champion :gotigers
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Solid outing
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Bachar on fire tonight going by Lingy's interview with him lol.
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He ran til he dropped ... a chest mark... but he was working hard and running with the flight of it
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My opinion of bachar rises every week, and it was high to begin with. Gun
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Beginning to warm to him. Really gut runs and never stops. Starting to get respect. :thumbsup
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Always plays well against gun teams such as Adelaide and the Dogs this fella. Courageous, tough and handles a tag well
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His upside is outwaying the squibbyness :bow
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This year his defensive work has improved significantly. He deserves alot of credit. He has a great team oriented attitude and I hope his form continues.
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The Tackle: Why Bachar Houli has the 'H' factor
Mark Robinson
Herald Sun
June 24, 2013
TO tag or not? The outside runner? The inside mid? Commission a defensive forward?
There's always a balance of how many to tag and who to go to, but it's clear from two games at the weekend that two vastly different types of players need to be curtailed.
One is Luke Hodge. The other Bachar Houli.
This isn't a comparison, because if 1000 people were asked to choose between Hodge and Houli, they would all choose the Hawks skipper.
No, this is not about who's better, it's about their influence on their teams.
Clearly, something has to be done about Hodge.
Forget whether you thought he was gone because of his knee, he is back to his imperious best.
Two weeks ago his 15-possession game against Carlton, which included the crunch on Marc Murphy, was rated the equal to any 35-touch game this season.
Against the Eagles on Friday night, Hodge had 25 and was among the best players on the ground.
His influence is double-edged. He wins the ball and he inspires teammates.
He doesn't require a run-with player, he demands a player of similar tenacity, for Hodge has to be stopped at the coalface, not on the outside.
They are hard to find. Heath Hocking perhaps. Ryan Crowley. He bullied Brent Harvey to the point of utter frustration yesterday and, if we are promised a Hodge versus Crowley match-up in the finals, the TV networks better have an ISO camera at hand.
Houli is a different beast.
It's sexy to criticise the Tigers back flanker for being a wide runner, a player who skirts the coalface, but surely it's time to recognise Houli for what he is - a running backman who finds the ball and can deliver it precisely.
When the ball hit Houli in the face/neck during the fourth quarter, he was munched by the Channel 7 commentators. They preferred to take the mickey out of Houli instead of saying it was probably his only mistake for the night.
Houli was my pick for best afield against the Dogs.
He had 10 possessions in the first quarter, which demanded Nick Lower be sent to him for periods in the second and third terms. Lower stood him for 32 minutes, and Houli spent the rest of the time running off Luke Dahlhaus (18 minutes) and Lachie Hunter (14).
He would finish with 25 disposals, five inside 50s and 13 score involvements, for which he was ranked No.1.
Time and again Houli ran through the middle of the ground to set up Tigers' scores.
If the Tigers make the finals, and it's looking surer by the week, opponents should have a plan for him.
On Saturday night the Bulldogs decided to tag Trent Cotchin and Brett Deledio, leaving Houli to make too much of the play in the back half.
Bulldogs skipper Matthew Boyd curtailed Cotchin, Liam Picken tried to clamp Brett Deledio and failed, so players "off the leash" had to stand up and they did - Shaun Grigg, Reece Conca, Dustin Martin and Daniel Jackson.Houli was another.
At the start of the season he was rated "elite" by Champion Data - ranked in the top 10 per cent in his position.
The Tigers also rank him highly - he was fourth in the 2012 best and fairest.
Houli was the moneyball recruit. He had good numbers for minutes played at Essendon amid the perception there was something wrong with him because Matthew Knights wouldn't play him and James Hird couldn't convince him to stay.
The Tigers picked him up in the 2010 pre-season draft.
A multitude of All-Australian teams were selected over the bye rounds, and not one of them included Houli.
Yet his numbers stack up.
This year he's going at 22 disposals at 81 per cent efficiency.
Grant Birchall is averaging 24 disposals at 80 per cent, Andrew Walker 23 at 77 per cent and Michael Hibberd 24 at 76.
It's pretty good company.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-why-bachar-houli-has-the-h-factor/story-fni5f9jb-1226668456415
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Deledio is as good ad hodge as the QB
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Barrett actually saying something positive about Richmond. He's now on the Houli bandwagon ...
IF .......... anyone outside of Richmond thought Bachar Houli was this good …
THEN ..... we reckon you're lying. Emerging in 2013 as a real star.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-28/sliding-doors-round-14
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Still can stuff up the occasional basic kick and force a bad turnover but I'm very pleased with him. Very good bargain we got. Glad to have him.
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I think he's doing quite well and a good second tier player to have. The most crucial thing of course is if our first tier players are copping the hard tag, injured, having a bad day etc that he steps up (like he did Vs Bulldogs)
I know the team likes to use him as a release type player because he's left foot serves him pretty well but when we are getting smashed it wouldn't hurt if he got his hands dirty and went for the odd tackle.
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Tigers' man of faith attracts world plaudits
Caroline Wilson
The Age
July 6, 2013
For an entire season the 11-year-old Bachar Houli hid his fledgling football career from his parents and was caught only when he attempted to sneak in through the back door while hiding a best-and-fairest trophy under his jumper.
For a further five years Houli hid his faith from his teammates. Now the 25-year-old Richmond trailblazer is on the brink of international recognition for the program he first designed in the hope that aspiring Muslim footballers would not feel the need to hide in the manner he did.
Houli's Islamic football program, which now engages 30 Islamic colleges nationally and engages more than 5000 participants annually, has been shortlisted for a Beyond Sport International award.
The US-based award, to be presented in Philadelphia in September, has selected the young man regarded as the most observant Muslim to have played in the AFL as one of five finalists.
And it comes in the lead-up to the AFL's multicultural round next weekend and on a day that the Gabba in Brisbane becomes the third AFL venue, behind Etihad Stadium and the MCG, to introduce a multi-faith prayer room, a move Houli began in early 2012 when he approached Andrew Demetriou to point out how difficult it was for some Muslims to attend AFL games.
''Playing football can be really tough at times,'' said Houli this week, ''it's a roller coaster and it's been good for me to just sit and put my mind to something else.
''I began these programs to provide these kids with opportunities I didn't get and I'm still trying to work out ways to tackle their parents to make them less fearful of high collision sport and put smiles on their kids' faces.
''And I need to re-educate the mainstream of this country about Muslims. We're good people, we are peaceful people - please don't generalise us.''
Houli said it embarrasses him that his voice is so much louder than that of one of his older brothers who is a surgeon. ''I'm just a footballer,'' he said, ''but the reality is people are going to listen to what I say, respect what I say, and I want to be a positive role model to all communities, not just my community.''
Houli's now internationally recognised Bachar Houli Islamic Program began in 2011 in Victoria's six Muslim schools, including his school, al-Taqwa College, in Truganina in Melbourne's outer west. At the start of last season the AFL employed him as a multicultural ambassador alongside the likes of North Melbourne's Majak Daw, West Coast's Nic Naitanui and St Kilda youngster Ahmed Saad, the only other current Muslim AFL player.
The program went national this year with federal government funding along with increased corporate support from Australia Post and the support of Victoria's Islamic Council.
The Bachar Houli Cup, contested in September, targets 14- to 17-year-olds from 30 schools who play in a round-robin football carnival against other Islamic colleges in their state. The 30 best players move into the Bachar Houli Academy with a view to fast-tracking some into the TAC under-18s.
Houli also works within 150 mainstream community clubs and holds semi-regular sessions talking about his faith and football and offering suggestions on how clubs can become more inclusive.
Racial intolerance, he said, was not something he has encountered in the AFL. His career began at Essendon when he was 18 and was regenerated when Richmond poached him at the end of 2010. After struggling to get a game in his final season at Windy Hill, he has not missed one since joining the Tigers.
When Ramadan falls coach Damien Hardwick eases Houli's training load to allow for his fasting and the club ensures halal food is served at the club, as well as when the team travels.
''I won't know until the end of my playing career whether I've made a difference,'' said Houli, ''but Damien has given me confidence as a player and that has helped me speak up to point out things that the AFL and clubs might not think about just through lack of awareness. There are 500,000 Muslims in Australia and 500,000 indigenous Australians. It's their game I know, not ours, but 60 of those are playing in the AFL and only two Muslims. I think we should improve on that.''
Houli's father Malek came to Australia from Lebanon as a 19-year-old. He now runs the family fish shop. Last year Malek was one of 100 Houli relatives who Bachar convinced to become Richmond members.
Houli's place in the Beyond Sport finals falls in the ''Sport for Social Inclusion Award'' category. He is up against programs from the National Football League, Swimming USA and the International Table Tennis Federation's US body, as well as a hockey program from Malawi that is focused on community reintegration.
Although Houli has been granted a trip to Philadelphia to attend the Beyond Sport symposium, he desperately hopes, as a key player for a club which has not played finals for 12 years, he will be unavailable to make the awards to be presented on September 9.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-man-of-faith-attracts-world-plaudits-20130705-2phnj.html#ixzz2YCAd7Auc
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On Ya Bachar role model on the field and off it to.
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Champion on many levels! :bow
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I don't know what history books Bachar has been reading but Aussie rules wasn't an indigenous game it was developed in Melbourne by a bloke called Wills about 140 years ago.
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Mates bumped into Bahcar in Instabul and had a bit of a chat with him. Said he was an absolute legend.
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I don't know what history books Bachar has been reading but Aussie rules wasn't an indigenous game it was developed in Melbourne by a bloke called Wills about 140 years ago.
probably history books that mention "marngrook"
The differences between marngrook and the game that Wills "developed" are probably no more than that between the game we watch today and what wills and his mates played
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Al that doesn't mean that they invented the game and that it is their game as Bachar is implying. I always see Aussie rules as an Australian game and don't try and racialise it.
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Bachar is out !! late change for dea. Whats wrong with him?
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making a stand with Harry O
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soccer was first played in Italy well a form of it where they played with a criminals decapitated head and the first team to kick the ball out of the village boundaries won.. but it's nothing like what soccer is today that the poms think they invented
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making a stand with Harry O
;D
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soccer was first played in Italy well a form of it where they played with a criminals decapitated head and the first team to kick the ball out of the village boundaries won.. but it's nothing like what soccer is today that the poms think they invented
aztex had very similar stuff
england during the middle ages had games of soccer over two villiages with thousands of people
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Can't take a trick in supercoach
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Sorely missed today.... no defensive structure whatsoever
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No line breaking either
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Bachar is out !! late change for dea. Whats wrong with him?
On 3AW they said he was "a bit sore" so he was being "rested"
Huge mistake if he could have played
Missed his run and carry from half back
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Dimma in his after match presser said Houli had "hamstring soreness"
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Bachar is out !! late change for dea. Whats wrong with him?
On 3AW they said he was "a bit sore" so he was being "rested"
Huge mistake if he could have played
Missed his run and carry from half back
Agree 100%
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Bachar is out !! late change for dea. Whats wrong with him?
On 3AW they said he was "a bit sore" so he was being "rested"
Huge mistake if he could have played
Missed his run and carry from half back
Agree 100%
We missed it but it wasn't the difference.
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Houli eyes return for Multicultural Round
By Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
4:25pm AEST Monday, July 8, 2013
RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli is hopeful he will be cleared to return from a hamstring injury for Saturday night's clash against Gold Coast as the Tigers look to end a horror run in Cairns.
The Suns have beaten Richmond in each game of the past two years at Cazalys Stadium, with this week's clash the club's last 'home' game in northern Queensland under the deal.
Houli, who was a late withdrawal against North Melbourne last Saturday, was on hand to launch Multicultural Round on Monday and said he hoped to be part of the celebrations on field.
"I pulled out late last week so hopefully I'll be back, it's a massive round for myself," Houli said. "I'm looking forward to getting back in."
Richmond received a wake-up call against the Kangaroos in round 15, losing by 62 points and suffering a setback in its quest to lock in a finals berth for the first time since 2001.
Houli said it was a good time for a reality check, with the Tigers facing premiership contenders Fremantle, the Sydney Swans and Hawthorn in the next month.
"We had times where we probably should have gone in a bit harder at the contest … there was a lack of intensity at times," he said.
"We've got a massive challenge against Gold Coast, who we haven't had a good run against.
"At the end of the day if you don't bring your attitude and intensity you're not going to get the job done, so that's our biggest focus this week."
Houli has recently been recognised for his work with multicultural communities through the Bachar Houli Islamic Program, which has been shortlisted for an International Beyond Sport Award, in the category 'sport for social inclusion'.
The 25-year-old said the AFL industry had come a long way in cultural inclusion and he hoped to provide opportunities for young Muslim footballers to progress to the highest level.
As the AFL plans a series of events and promotions for this week's Multicultural Round, Houli will begin fasting for the holy month of Ramadan, going without food during daylight hours.
"Nobody really likes to go without food or drink for the most part of the day, but for me I really look forward to this month," he said.
"It's a month where I can sit down, reflect, think, learn a little bit more about religion, and most importantly repent.
"It's a month of worship where we have the chance to go back to God, ask for forgiveness from God and to come out of this month as a better person.
"We all get caught up in our day-to-day jobs and work, which is so important, but it's a good time to sit down and reflect on where we're at as individuals."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-08/houli-eyes-return-for-multicultural-round
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soccer was first played in Italy well a form of it where they played with a criminals decapitated head and the first team to kick the ball out of the village boundaries won.. but it's nothing like what soccer is today that the poms think they invented
aztex had very similar stuff
england during the middle ages had games of soccer over two villiages with thousands of people
called mob football or something wasnt it?
The chinese were playing a form of football well before (23 hundred years at least) JC played for Jerusalem.
One of the emperors would have exhibition games where the losers were executed and the winners were celebrated with a lavish feast.
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soccer was first played in Italy well a form of it where they played with a criminals decapitated head and the first team to kick the ball out of the village boundaries won.. but it's nothing like what soccer is today that the poms think they invented
aztex had very similar stuff
england during the middle ages had games of soccer over two villiages with thousands of people
called mob football or something wasnt it?
The chinese were playing a form of football well before (23 hundred years at least) JC played for Jerusalem.
One of the emperors would have exhibition games where the losers were executed and the winners were celebrated with a lavish feast.
...consisting of the losers
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soccer was first played in Italy well a form of it where they played with a criminals decapitated head and the first team to kick the ball out of the village boundaries won.. but it's nothing like what soccer is today that the poms think they invented
aztex had very similar stuff
england during the middle ages had games of soccer over two villiages with thousands of people
called mob football or something wasnt it?
The chinese were playing a form of football well before (23 hundred years at least) JC played for Jerusalem.
One of the emperors would have exhibition games where the losers were executed and the winners were celebrated with a lavish feast.
Probably just the sort of training method the RFC should look at.
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Houli eyes return for Multicultural Round
By Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
4:25pm AEST Monday, July 8, 2013
"It's a month where I can sit down, reflect, think, learn a little bit more about religion, and most importantly repent.
"It's a month of worship where we have the chance to go back to God, ask for forgiveness from God and to come out of this month as a better person.
"We all get caught up in our day-to-day jobs and work, which is so important, but it's a good time to sit down and reflect on where we're at as individuals."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-08/houli-eyes-return-for-multicultural-round
Sounds like something some of our posters could benefit from.
:thumbsup
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On Wednesday morning Richmond defender Bachar Houli took over the @AFL Twitter account.
The talented Tiger delivered generous responses to eager AFL fans, covering all sorts of topics including diet restrictions due to his religious beliefs, what he does with his leisure time and plenty more.
Here's some of what Bachar had to say:
@Kensingtonpizza - "Are you back this week?"
Houli - "still have to wait and see how i get through tomorrows session"
Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-10/houli-twitter-chat
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That's the bit I was interested in one eyed..ta
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.... and it's Ramadan for the next month ....
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Bachar Houli has also had his critics, but they were quiet when he had 11 clinical disposals in that decisive second quarter, including seven handball receives and three inside 50s.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-dan-jackson-does-job-on-brisbane-as-lions-worry-about-bigger-names/story-fndv8t7m-1226694792020)
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excellent yesterday
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should be in AA extended squad at years end. One of the best line breakers going around
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Bachar Muhammad :bow
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Houli declared himself a certain starter for a match-up against the Blues' fleet-footed attack of Chris Yarran, Jeff Garlett and Eddie Betts.
The 25-year-old had scans on Sunday for an ongoing adductor injury.
"I’m all good, it’s just a general check-up to see where things are at," he said.
"All year my adductors have been loaded, I just wanted to see where they’re at, just to clarify a few things.
"I didn’t do too much today (at training) but I’ll be looking to have a big session on Thursday."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-03/tigers-to-tackle-tackling
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VIDEO: Bachar interviewed on Ch 10 news ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-09-12/bachar-houli-cup
* Midfield was unable to get its hands on the ball in the second half. We have taken things out of the game to learn from which will last till next year.
* Blown away by the Tiger Army and their passion when they ran out and turned to teammates and just said "wow!". Wants to experience that again and disappointed we are out.
* Going to go out on Port Phillip Bay during the break and release some anger (from the loss).
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Hopefully next time we get 5 goals up and Houli has a chance to almost put them away he gets it right rather than panic like an under 12s player and totally botch it up causing a huge turnover and momentum swing from which we never recovered. Take that out on Port Phillip bay with you Bachar.
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Why does this geezer always have to give his thoughts on why we've lost, won or whatever. I think you should concentrate on your football, Bachar, because it really ain't good enough for you to be telling us how our midfield couldn't get a kick.
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Cotch busted a nut in the second half and got a few clearances
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How about kicking through the ball Bachar when you are streaming towards goal to ensure if you don't hit your teammate it goes through for a score. >:(
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Harsh from u blokes
He's fine, he pulled the kick got caught in 2 minds. Yeah he stuffed up but not the only one, plenty of opportunities for players to have a ping during the game and they nearly always passed it off.
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Just letting the frustration out TM.
For the most part Houli is fine. Prone to the occasional clanger.
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Houli to hone defensive skills
richmondfc.com.au
October 16, 2013 3:07 PM
“Individually, I thought my season was pretty good. One focus I made during pre-season was to get better defensively – spoiling and becoming more accountable for my man, especially playing on the half-back line,” Houli said.
“At times, I can be a little bit too offensive, but defensively is one area that I’ve improved in this year, and I’m looking forward to keep improving next season.
“It’s definitely an important area to get right . . . the balance is so important.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-16/houli-to-hone-defensive-skills
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Good player. Cops more than he deserves. Did very well to get him for nothin. Plenty of high draft picks produce less than he does.
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To see him forced out of the side by a helbig, dea, mcintosh type would an excellent sign of our list development
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Really did improve this year defensively.
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Good player. Cops more than he deserves. Did very well to get him for nothin. Plenty of high draft picks produce less than he does.
decent player but limited. he cops what he deserves more often than not.
agree a good get for nothing but that doesnt mean we should not aim for higher.
i still firmly believe he is taking the spot and valuable development time from one of the kids by playing across hb.
time to step up and become a permanent and effective mid imo.
he is still slow and does not play on the betts yarrans and garletts. he is so one sided its not funny. he still lacks awareness and panics when he invariable gets himself into trouble. and despite him working hard on the defensive side of his game and improving he is still vulnerable defensively.
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Soft-ish, Too.
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VIDEO: Bachar's 2013 season review ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-10-25/houli-season-review
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@Richmond_FC twitter:
"Very happy to announce Bachar Houli and his wife Rouba welcomed a baby girl into the world [yesterday] afternoon, congrats to them both!"
:)
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Give Houli Grigg's role and send Grigg to the reserves.
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Another who's escaped bait of scrutiny in the loss. Along with Brandon I have not been impressed with how he's started the year. Needs to lift in a real hurry. Don't think he cuts it away from half back.
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Another who's escaped bait of scrutiny in the loss. Along with Brandon I have not been impressed with how he's started the year. Needs to lift in a real hurry. Don't think he cuts it away from half back.
are you just working that out magic.cannot effectively play in the midfield and sides are beginning to take him deep and make him accountable in defense.
hes great when we can play the game entirely on our terms but a total liability when we cant.
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are you just working that out magic.cannot effectively play in the midfield and sides are beginning to take him deep and make him accountable in defense.
hes great when we can play the game entirely on our terms but a total liability when we cant.
Credit where it's due. Think he has improved the defensive side of his game markedly in recent times and would hope you'd agree but he was sloppy against the Suns.
It all got too hard..
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I cant believe how bad Houli is playing. Second guessing, cant hit a target with a handball, terrible kicking :banghead
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I cant believe how bad Houli is playing. Second guessing, cant hit a target with a handball, terrible kicking :banghead
Yeah, he does stand out against the rest of the team doesn't he.
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Yes he has many friends I know
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Had the game on his foot and lost it
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Had the game on his foot and lost it
Fair call. Have question marks over his ability to take it to the next level but far from our worst yesterday.
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Saw him put in a good effort in the last (I think). Liam Jones took a brilliant mark but good to see Bachar make him earn it. Couple of really poo handballs yesty but not our worst.
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one of our best
again :clapping
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If they are going to play him every week move him out of tha back line
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Houli was one of our worst yesterday, played like a pretender...not good enough. Needs to lift big time and set the standard of what is required to play for the jumper not running around giving half efforts :banghead
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If they are going to play him every week move him out of tha back line
Well said.
Houli is a winger to half forward. He isn't naturally defensive.
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How did he miss Griffiths with 2 minutes left when he was under no pressure and big Griffiths made great space 40 metres out? Players like Houli crack under any form of pressure. Time for a run in the reserves.
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If he nailed that kick we win. Mentally weak
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How did he miss Griffiths with 2 minutes left when he was under no pressure and big Griffiths made great space 40 metres out? Players like Houli crack under any form of pressure. Time for a run in the reserves.
Yep nothing kick missed Griff and Vicks behind him and kicked it on the bounce to Tom Williams.
Could then argue Stevenson should have played in front of Easton Wood given Orren's size after Gordo's snap fell short.
Coulda woulda shoulda, we lost and should not have been in that position in the first place.
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At least Bachar tries to kick long
Am over the 15 metre kicks in the back half
Stats tell lies
Good teams kick long and play quick
End of story
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I would bat my right nut the players are coaches to kick short
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At least Bachar tries to kick long
Am over the 15 metre kicks in the back half
Stats tell lies
Good teams kick long and play quick
End of story
Correct. It's not soccer Damien.
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Houli was one of our worst yesterday, played like a pretender...not good enough. Needs to lift big time and set the standard of what is required to play for the jumper not running around giving half efforts :banghead
gotta agree just panics every time hes under pressure, if he sold me into trouble as often as he does his team mates id punch him.
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What did we all think of Bachar on Sunday?
I think it's time for him to head back to Punt road for a run.
His kicking has been putrid this year, which is his best asset.
To be totally honest, out of all the Monkeyballers this year, I personally think he has been the most disappointing.
Hopefully after the bye we have a few that could have a crack at his roll. I'm hoping by the end of the year Matty Dea has made him obsolete.
My mail tells me he is on thin ice.
(Once again no mail but......)
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Zero aggression whatsoever.
His biggest problem.
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i know its not saying much, but it was his best game for the year.
he actually put in some courageous efforts, but also started to give us that rebound we have been lacking off half back.
Thats probably as much to do with having rance and deledio (at times) back there, but when we are playing good footy, Houli is getting a bit of the ball and using it well
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Zero aggression whatsoever.
His biggest problem.
When is Ramadan? He might be spiritually preparing for it….
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Zero aggression whatsoever.
His biggest problem.
When is Ramadan? He might be spiritually preparing for it….
From March to September apparently....
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The footage last night of him not handballing to a wide open McDonough and then getting run down made me even angrier than when I saw it live at the game - which is a first. He deadset stuffing stared right at him for a good couple of seconds but just kept running.
No composure, no awareness. Another soft, dumb panic merchant & poor decision maker.
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Not a defender.
Play him on a wing. Not good enough one on one.
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Not a defender.
Play him on a wing. Not good enough one on one.
disagree hes never been good enough full stop. he was an improvement on players we had we should have been looking to improve on him and the many weaknesses he has.
every one in the team must be able to play one v one and go when its your turn to go.hes very one sided, hes as soft as butter,he panics when under pressure makes lousy decisions under pressure and is totally lacking in awareness which is probably the main reason for much of the above.these things have not magically appeared in his game they have always been there.
id say statistically he is probably marginally better than last yr in most things but those weaknesses will always come back to haunt him and us.
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Not a defender.
Play him on a wing. Not good enough one on one.
disagree hes never been good enough full stop. he was an improvement on players we had we should have been looking to improve on him and the many weaknesses he has.
every one in the team must be able to play one v one and go when its your turn to go.hes very one sided, hes as soft as butter,he panics when under pressure makes lousy decisions under pressure and is totally lacking in awareness which is probably the main reason for much of the above.these things have not magically appeared in his game they have always been there.
id say statistically he is probably marginally better than last yr in most things but those weaknesses will always come back to haunt him and us.
Should have said not good enough one on one on bigger opponents which he often gets in defense. Although he is not A grade he probably is an ok foot soldier and at least runs and tries to create. He deserves to be tried on a wing or forward. If he fails there then trade for an upgrade.
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Disappointed I haven't seen one of his freewheeling cartwheels when someone breathes on him lately
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Squibby.
Shallow.
Static.
Superficial.
Done and dusted.
The footage last night of him not handballing to a wide open McDonough and then getting run down made me even angrier than when I saw it live at the game - which is a first. He deadset stuffing stared right at him for a good couple of seconds but just kept running.
No composure, no awareness. Another soft, dumb panic merchant & poor decision maker.
I rest my case. Thanks Diocletion. :thumbsup
Was livid myself when it hapenned. :help
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Houli played his 100th yesterday :clapping. So we actually won a double milestone game :o.
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Bachar was very good yesterday
Attacked the ball and didn't back out of any contests. Best game I've seen him play for quite sometime
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Bachar was very good yesterday
Attacked the ball and didn't back out of any contests. Best game I've seen him play for quite sometime
Of course he was - would expect nothing less from the ultimate downhill specialist.
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Would he have gotten a game for the Dons on Saturday night?
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Would he have gotten a game for the Dons on Saturday night?
With the lack of pressure we applied, he would've probably recieved a Brownlow vote.
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Would he have gotten a game for the Dons on Saturday night?
With the lack of pressure we applied, he would've probably recieved a Brownlow vote.
;D
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Over him. Cracks too easily under pressure. Play Helbig instead.
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Pay him forward or middle - if he is another "son of hardwick nondroppable squad"
Too. Soft for backline
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Pay him forward or middle if he is another in droppable
Too. Soft for backline
Agree
Would do well there in the VFL side
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Just does not seem interested. Poor decision maker and drops his head constantly. Don't play him Hardwick :banghead
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Useless dumb & soft. Get him to 100 games because he'll probably either provide us with about a dozen father/son selections, then pee him off.
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Brissy's first three shots at goal today were a direct result of Houli interfering with Miles attempt to mark and two turnovers to Brissy players one from a kick out and one being Houli.
Given where we were last year IMHO he has been our worst performed player this year.
Doesn't help that he's a squib also.
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Put him up for trade. See if any takers.
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Played really poorly against Brisbane. Deserves to be dropped but won't be.
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Given where we were last year IMHO he has been our worst performed player this year.
Thats a big call, there a few ploppers lining up for that award
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Who has been worse than houli?
Outside of grigg hampson Chaplin
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Who has been worse than houli?
Outside of grigg hampson Chaplin
You've just put forward the three names I was going to use!
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Being slightly less poo than grigg is hardly something to write home about
Houli getting game ahead of Lennon donuts darrou etc. IMO is a blood disgrace
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Who has been worse than houli?
Outside of grigg hampson Chaplin
Other Worthy contenders in no partucilar order are; Newman, Morris, Vickery, Foley, Conca, Edwards, Griffiths, Grimes, King and almost Ellis
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Who has been worse than houli?
Outside of grigg hampson Chaplin
Other Worthy contenders in no partucilar order are; Newman, Morris, Vickery, Foley, Conca, Edwards, Griffiths, Grimes, King and almost Ellis
Don't forget Cotchin - the main reason we've been so poo and who has failed in his duty as captain to inspire the side and single-handedly get us over the line in every game.
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Who has been worse than houli?
Outside of grigg hampson Chaplin
Other Worthy contenders in no partucilar order are; Newman, Morris, Vickery, Foley, Conca, Edwards, Griffiths, Grimes, King and almost Ellis
Don't forget Cotchin - the main reason we've been so poo and who has failed in his duty as captain to inspire the side and single-handedly get us over the line in every game.
Your right I forgot him, needs to kick five goals on average per game
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Who has been worse than houli?
Outside of grigg hampson Chaplin
Other Worthy contenders in no partucilar order are; Newman, Morris, Vickery, Foley, Conca, Edwards, Griffiths, Grimes, King and almost Ellis
Don't forget Cotchin - the main reason we've been so poo and who has failed in his duty as captain to inspire the side and single-handedly get us over the line in every game.
Your right I forgot him, needs to kick five goals on average per game
no that's not enough against the likes of stkilda - needs more
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Given where we were last year IMHO he has been our worst performed player this year.
Thats a big call, there a few ploppers lining up for that award
Now there's a thought, the inaugural "One Eyed Richmond" poppers award, for the biggest plop per to come out of our one eyed recruiting department
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have heard its that ramadan time of the year and our main man cant drink water from 5am until sunset.
Will watch him closely Sunday and it wouldnt surprise me if his that dedictaed to his ramadan not to drink water, but then on field his weak as pee.
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Ffs
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have heard its that ramadan time of the year and our main man cant drink water from 5am until sunset.
Will watch him closely Sunday and it wouldnt surprise me if his that dedictaed to his ramadan not to drink water, but then on field his weak as pee.
Well documented he gets a dispensation from the eating & drinking thing on match day ...
Foolish post TBH, and dare I even suggest it a vilifying post
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hahaha vilifying
Please
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Yep not sure how you can call that vilifying.
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have heard its that ramadan time of the year and our main man cant drink water from 5am until sunset.
Will watch him closely Sunday and it wouldnt surprise me if his that dedictaed to his ramadan not to drink water, but then on field his weak as pee.
Well documented he gets a dispensation from the eating & drinking thing on match day ...
Foolish post TBH, and dare I even suggest it a vilifying post
If a player is not eating and hydrating on the manner in the week leading up to game that is a silly situation.
Should be playing twos. Very unprofessional.
vilifying? Please. Political correctness gone mad.
If houli was in one of the better players you could look at making allowances yet seeing as he is consistently poor the situation is absurd
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have heard its that ramadan time of the year and our main man cant drink water from 5am until sunset.
Will watch him closely Sunday and it wouldnt surprise me if his that dedictaed to his ramadan not to drink water, but then on field his weak as pee.
Well documented he gets a dispensation from the eating & drinking thing on match day ...
Foolish post TBH, and dare I even suggest it a vilifying post
If a player is not eating and hydrating on the manner in the week leading up to game that is a silly situation.
Should be playing twos. Very unprofessional
Wish Hampson would convert to Musi
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Yep not sure how you can call that vilifying.
Will suggest under the AFL's policy re vilification that post would qualify ;D ;)
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have heard its that ramadan time of the year and our main man cant drink water from 5am until sunset.
Will watch him closely Sunday and it wouldnt surprise me if his that dedictaed to his ramadan not to drink water, but then on field his weak as pee.
Well documented he gets a dispensation from the eating & drinking thing on match day ...
Foolish post TBH, and dare I even suggest it a vilifying post
What a load of rubbish WP.
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Yep not sure how you can call that vilifying.
Will suggest under the AFL's policy re vilification that post would qualify ;D ;)
Is the code "You must not mention religion or culture unless you are part of it" because I don't see any sign of negativity in that post towards ramadam only negative thing he says is that Houli is weak as pee.
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Yep not sure how you can call that vilifying.
Will suggest under the AFL's policy re vilification that post would qualify ;D ;)
Is the code "You must not mention religion or culture unless you are part of it" because I don't see any sign of negativity in that post towards ramadam only negative thing he says is that Houli is weak as pee.
Yes but he is tying the religion into that statement they are separate issues are they not?
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think you have lost the plot on this one WP quoting the vilification code now. hahahaha
insulting his work ethic is not insulting his religion but if you think it is good on you, i personally dont GAF.
you remind me of the fella at the cats game last year who told a friend to stop yelling abuse as it was offending his kid. My friend never swore once and all he ever said he was the umpire was a maggot.
At half time he continued his rant so i chimed in and asked did my friend swear and he back pedalled and said "no, but my little johnny is scared at the tone of his voice and unless he cools it down il let text authorities number on the screen"
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think you have lost the plot on this one WP quoting the vilification code now. hahahaha
insulting his work ethic is not insulting his religion but if you think it is good on you, i personally dont GAF.
you remind me of the fella at the cats game last year who told a friend to stop yelling abuse as it was offending his kid. My friend never swore once and all he ever said he was the umpire was a maggot.
At half time he continued his rant so i chimed in and asked did my friend swear and he back pedalled and said "no, but my little johnny is scared at the tone of his voice and unless he cools it down il let text authorities number on the screen"
Yeah nah I'll agree with the Houli posts but without being there you should tone it down around the kids. Only making the assumption based on the way I hear maggot thrown around at the footy.
Yes but he is tying the religion into that statement they are separate issues are they not?
He is comparing his commitment to ramadam but saying he doesn't commit like that on the field. Fair statement and if anything he is talking up his religious behaviour
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Sorry mate I don't agree. There was no malice no swearing no racial or any type of abuse, and yet people get upset cause their kids are getting scared. It wasn't so much the word it was the tone the bloke didn't like and that what's ridiculous about it.
I have kids and this bloke was out of line.
People these days are looking for something to bitch about at the footy, and this blokes kids were probably upset cause their dad made them support the tigers.
In hindsight probably had nothing to do with my friend and his tone of voice
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How does Bachar get a game before Matty Dea? They basically play the same roll down back yet one is soft as butter and the other is everything a defender should be- desperate, tough, brave and reliable.
Bachar may have it over Dea on his disposal but even that this year hasn't been fantastic, and if it's not fantastic then his weaknesses are to great.
Bachar is one of Dimma's favourites, he has to be. He wouldn't be getting a game in any other side in the AFL IMO. Not even St. Kilda.
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Agree...has been very ordinary this year. Panics when running with the ball and continues to take the worst possible option. ATM looks like he doesn't want it enough or thinks he has the runs on the board to play week in week out. I would play Dea or Helbig in his spot every day of the week.
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Today must be the norm not just a one off.
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Just average
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slightly above average today for our hero.
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Today he was serviceable after a horrible first quarter.
Kicking is still a weakness. :help
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Bit harsh boys
92% efficientancy today
Thought he was very good
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Memo to Houli: Next year could you please try not to wait until Round 17 to play your first half-decent game of the season. Kay,Ta.
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Have been a harsh critic of this bloke this year and deservedly so. Admittedly he came good towards the end of the game though. Took a couple of vital grabs and jagged a crucial goal.
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Bit harsh boys
92% efficientancy today
Thought he was very good
He's been poor for most of the season but agree today thought he was good. Didn't back out of any contests
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Houli made Robbo's top 10 likes for round 17 ....
4. BACHAR HOULI.
He often is the point of reference when the Tigers are shoddy with their application, but not Sunday. Showed plenty of bravery in marking and contested situations and I thought he was, with Boak and Rance, among the best three players on the ground. Had 23 touches, seven rebounds, six inside 50s.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-collingwood-has-its-spirit-broken-by-essendons-finalsintensity-football/story-fndv8g1a-1226987471110
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So that's it then. Basha has an "agreement" with the club to go easy on him on his duties
I honestly don't know his someone can be that hard and dedicated in fasting, yet so rubbish on game day
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just has to go.we woint be going anywhere but down to a spoon with so many like him. is it just the way the games gone in general or just rfc where so many pea herts play. you know i wouldnt mind if houli had some line breaking pace and genuine skills but he doesnt. will be another shane edwards with us get 10 yrs for nothing short of mediocrity.
they have to go. its these types with 6 to 10 yrs of experience who set the agenda at footy clubs. and thats why these blokes have to go before probably a few younger under performing types.
want to change the culture change those responsible for it first and foremost.
when will we as a club ever draw the line in the sand and say this is the minimum we wont accept anything less.
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Was better without the beard! ;D
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Bachar Houli, Richmond, has been charged with a first offence for wrestling ($1200 sanction) for wrestling Rhys Palmer, GWS Giants, during the first quarter of the Round 19 match between Richmond and the GWS Giants, played at the MCG on Saturday August 2, 2014.
In summary, he can accept a $900 sanction with an early plea.
A first offence for wrestling is a $1200 sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to a $900 sanction.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-04/mrp-full-statement-round-19
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Hope Palmer got something, the way GWS played shitted me greatly.
RFC can play badly enough without the opposition contributing
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Bachar Houli, Richmond, has been charged with a first offence for wrestling ($1200 sanction) for wrestling Rhys Palmer, GWS Giants, during the first quarter of the Round 19 match between Richmond and the GWS Giants, played at the MCG on Saturday August 2, 2014.
In summary, he can accept a $900 sanction with an early plea.
A first offence for wrestling is a $1200 sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to a $900 sanction.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-04/mrp-full-statement-round-19
Club should pay the fine and double his match payment for the week. It's the first time he has shown any sort of aggression since the day he walked in the door. We don't won't to discourage it! :lol
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Bachar Houli, Richmond, has been charged with a first offence for wrestling ($1200 sanction) for wrestling Rhys Palmer, GWS Giants, during the first quarter of the Round 19 match between Richmond and the GWS Giants, played at the MCG on Saturday August 2, 2014.
In summary, he can accept a $900 sanction with an early plea.
A first offence for wrestling is a $1200 sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to a $900 sanction.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-04/mrp-full-statement-round-19
Club should pay the fine and double his match payment for the week. It's the first time he has shown any sort of aggression since the day he walked in the door. We don't won't to discourage it! :lol
Have to agree with that
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Like Chaplin, has turned his season around. Playing with real dare and going in hard for the ball...something he is not good at, well done :cheers
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Thumbs up to this bloke. Was terrible earlier this year. Has found his courage to attack the ball again and run with it when he has it.
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playing very good football. 20 times better than Grigg ;D
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Been a critic especially early in the year but he played a ripper yesterday. Went in hard when it was his turn :o Well done Bachar!
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yep agree
I am starting to like his form of late. Backs into packs and goes in hard when required
That holding the ball against was rubbish too
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Was really happy to see him go backwards blind and wear the hit, got straight back up and kept going.
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Still questionable under real pressure and makes particularly poor decisions going into the fwd 50.
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Did a nothing kick into the forward line trying to be too cute when there was nothing on but he did play a good game. We'll be a good team when he's our depth HBF
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When we have superior options at chb / hbf
With Chaplin and houli being depth rather than expendable. The back line and aide as a whole will be strong .
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Thought Houli had been exceptional the last two game.
Has really put his body on the line and gone when he's had to.
Let's hope he can keep it up.
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Plucked a ripper ball out of the air in defence in the dying minutes to save one of the big desperate pushes by Sydnos at one stage, he has been throwing himself into it lately.
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Plucked a ripper ball out of the air in defence in the dying minutes to save one of the big desperate pushes by Sydnos at one stage, he has been throwing himself into it lately.
A few weeks back he copped a heavy hit and realised it aint so bad, dusted himself off and got right back into it. Sometimes the fear of copping it is worse than wearing it
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A few weeks back he copped a heavy hit and realised it aint so bad, dusted himself off and got right back into it. Sometimes the fear of copping it is worse than wearing it
You might be right there Scarface but I reckon he's been better all season in that area. I'm shocked and rapt at the same time. Didn't think you could teach courage ?
It was brought up tonite on AFL360. Robbo made the hard call on his history of not going hard enough and Dimma agreed.
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Houli made Mark Robinson's top 10 'likes':
4. BACHAR HOULI: If this bloke wasn’t playing for the Tigers they would be in far greater strife. Arguably his best game of his career against the Cats with career-best disposals (33), career-best tackles (9) and one off his career-best rebounds (eight). A simple tactic to stop Richmond’s run is to close Houli down. Clubs try, but they can’t do it. Go on, say it aloud, NINE TACKLES FOR HOULI. The whole Carlton team had 47.
http://www.news.com.au/national/mick-malthouse-eddie-betts-tummy-taps-and-missed-chances-in-round-5-likes-and-dislikes/story-e6frfkp9-1227333801628
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He was magnificent and kudos
Needs a shave. And no, not being racist. Batch needs a haircut as well
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Better than Cotchin
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He was magnificent and kudos
Needs a shave. And no, not being racist. Batch needs a haircut as well
maybe the beard is the source of his playing ability?
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He was magnificent and kudos
Needs a shave. And no, not being racist. Batch needs a haircut as well
maybe the beard is the source of his playing ability?
Like Chris Griffin's pimple?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LiADxl9eWsk
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Credit where it's due
Been terrific Houli this year
Tries to take the game on and runs hard
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Bachar made the AFL site's team of the week.
BACHAR HOULI (Richmond) - Arguably his team's best player in a narrow loss to Geelong, Houli had career-high 33 possessions off half-back. He was clean with his disposal and better than usual defensively, laying nine tackles.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-05/team-of-the-week-round-five
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Credit where it's due
Been terrific Houli this year
Tries to take the game on and runs hard
Exactly
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Would be (should be) leading our B&F count right now
Has been great so far this year
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Agree, Houli has been terrific this year! Definitely deserves credit for his hard running & team orientated play, its a credit to him that he endures everything & just keeps bobbing up in our best players most weeks. We need more players with the same determination as Houli! Honest, hard-working, modest & a scrupulously fair player. Should be regarded as an example by all players. Congrats & respect, well done Bachar ... here's one player who can certainly hold his head up! :clapping
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See I think Houli is a massive part of the problem that is the RFC..
He is as soft as butter IMO. And I don't think many people could debate that?
Half of his kicks on Saturday were from playing on from a Geelong behind and kicking these lob kicks down the line with absolutely no penetration to them.
He costs us at least a couple of goals a game from dropping a simple mark or stuffing up a short kick.
He has improved as a defender but opposition players would rub their hand together when Houli came to them..
He plays with no passion and is just a vanilla AFL footballer. A player that will never take you to the next step.
If you are wondering why we are where we are it's because of players like Houli and Grigg. And even Ellis. Guys that just run around with no real purpose.
If you get 30 odd kicks as a running defender and have 10 odd tackles you win games like the one on Saturday unless something is missing.
I'd play Matty Dea before Houli any day.
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:thumbsup
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Would be (should be) leading our B&F count right now
Has been great so far this year
I agree , he and Edwards are only two to take their game to another level this year...oh and rance has been solid
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If you get 30 odd kicks as a running defender and have 10 odd tackles you win games like the one on Saturday unless something is missing.
Yeah, his team mates.
Stuff me sideways
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See I think Houli is a massive part of the problem that is the RFC..
He is as soft as butter IMO. And I don't think many people could debate that?
Half of his kicks on Saturday were from playing on from a Geelong behind and kicking these lob kicks down the line with absolutely no penetration to them.
He costs us at least a couple of goals a game from dropping a simple mark or stuffing up a short kick.
He has improved as a defender but opposition players would rub their hand together when Houli came to them..
He plays with no passion and is just a vanilla AFL footballer. A player that will never take you to the next step.
If you are wondering why we are where we are it's because of players like Houli and Grigg. And even Ellis. Guys that just run around with no real purpose.
If you get 30 odd kicks as a running defender and have 10 odd tackles you win games like the one on Saturday unless something is missing.
I'd play Matty Dea before Houli any day.
Don't agree. The problem with Houli is he is a winger to half forward played as a defender. His kicking is better than most in the team and that is why he is played off half back. A bit like playing Edwards off half back. He is not a natural defender.
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Thought he was our standout player against the Cats.
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so the consensus is houli had a good game. id say one out of the box. how many times has he clocked up 30 or more possies for us.
i think hes played a fair few good games for us but he mixes them up with probably more very ordinary games.
not many
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And another milestone game ;D.
Bachar plays his 100th game for Richmond tomorrow night :clapping.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1740
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Bachar Houli reflects on his career at Essendon and Richmond ahead of 100th game
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
June 26, 2015
BACHAR Houli had been told to hit the reject button when James Hird’s number flashed up on his phone.
It was late 2010 and Essendon’s prodigal son had returned from the wilderness to save his club.
But Bombers midfielder Houli had already given his word to Richmond’s Damien Hardwick that he would cross town to Punt Rd.
Houli’s camp was worried the 22-year-old player could be swayed by the whisperings of Essendon’s golden child.
“I was told to avoid Hirdy through my management,” Houli said this week. “He is a smart man and he has his ways and I was young and vulnerable, but I answered Hirdy’s call.
“I just spoke to him about the truth. I didn’t want to be in a situation where I was at Essendon the following year having gone through a year’s regret.
“I thought, “Once you have made up your mind you need to stick with it and move on. I gave my word to Dimma and said, ‘This is where I want to be’.”
Four and a half seasons later, Houli’s gut feel has been vindicated over and again.
Not only will the 27-year-old hit 100 games (from a possible 102) with the Tigers tonight against Sydney, he has dodged four seasons of turmoil at his former club.
The values and beliefs that make the AFL’s only devout Muslim player so true to his religion ended up saving him from a fate he admits he would not have avoided.
“I do feel for the boys because they are genuinely good blokes,’’ he says of his former teammates.
“I probably would have done the same thing. I would have trusted the hierarchy and gone ahead with whatever they had available purely so I could be part of the group and trusted that it was legal. I believe it’s not their fault.”
The irony is Hardwick recruited Houli on what turned out to be a false promise of serious midfield time.
He has not played one full game in his preferred position — the wing.
“I always hold him accountable for that. ‘Come on mate, when do I go on ball?’’ Houli jokes.
In many ways Houli is the perfect modern footballer: a hard, durable, lethally-skilled rebounding defender who tackles hard and never shirks a confrontation.
He hasn’t finished outside the top 10 in the Jack Dyer Medal, is an elite ball winner, is elite in metres gained, and just relentlessly gets the job done.
Yet in the homogenous realm he inhabits he has still been a lightning rod for attention.
His faith is under assault given the scourge of ISIS and the radicalisation of Islam, his own beliefs targeted when 3AW host John Burns was accused of labelling Houli a terrorist at a match.
Houli, currently undertaking the dawn-to-dusk fasting and worship of Ramadan, says it is his duty to change perceptions of Muslim people.
“It’s been really challenging. For me it’s more about doing what I control, focusing on my academy and focusing on the people within my own community,’’ he says.
“You can make a difference. Don’t think you need to travel (overseas) and fight to try to change the world.
“It is very confused but my role within the community is to continue to be a positive role model and be a respectful person. That’s what I value.
“It is a very confused situation so I prefer not to comment (on those who do fight) and leave it to our scholars to comment.”
At the Bachar Houli Leadership Academy, 35 Muslim boys are chosen from across the nation for a week of football and leadership training each year.
Houli is also an AFL multicultural ambassador and helps run an Islamic Cup schools program across the country.
He prefers not to dwell on the negatives that this year involved the Burns case, but says he is buoyed by the outcry when blatant racism rears its head.
“For the majority of Australian society these days it is unacceptable. We have gone way past that. Fortunately it is the minority. If everyone can do their little bit in society we would have a much better place to live in.
“A majority of Australian are putting a stamp on it and saying it is not right. It’s inhumane. It’s not right, so it’s time to focus on different things in life than putting each other down.”
Houli’s closest friend at Richmond is Ivan Maric, a Catholic of Croatian heritage.
“We can relate to each other quite easily because of our beliefs and values,’’ Maric said.
“I try to go to church and all that stuff and my beliefs are based around that.
“It’s unbelievable, you look at other parts of the world and there are wars over religion.
“Here in Australia we are leading by example. Sport is one of the most amazing things that brings people together. Everyone respects and wants to know about one another.”
Maric says other Tigers are interested in the beliefs of Muslim Houli, Catholic Maric and Jehovah’s Witness Alex Rance.
“In the locker room guys are always asking questions and I think everyone is really comfortable approaching myself or Bachar or Rancey about our beliefs,” he said.
“Bachar has been fantastic and patient. For him it’s a tough time with the image his religion is getting with some people in the media and government, but nearly all religions are about love and forgiveness.”
Maric loves his friend’s patience and on-field durability but also his courage, with Houli’s focus this year adding an aggressive bent to his game.
“My favourite this year was when he went back with the flight against (Travis) Cloke on the wing,” Maric said.
“There wasn’t much time left and it was fantastic. It’s good to see people are noticing these things.”
Ramadan means Houli rises early to pray and then arrive at the club early, departing as early as 1pm to continue praying at his local mosque before breaking fast at dusk.
“It is no challenge whatsoever. For me it’s about dedication and devotion to worship and finding ways to better myself,” Houli says.
“I come in as early as I can and knock off the individual stuff and then do the team stuff and the club has been so understanding and supportive.
“Dimma texted me last night and said “I forgot about Ramadan, how are you going?” and a simple text does wonders.
“I had a massive smile on my face all night, having your coach text you and show support.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/bachar-houli-reflects-on-his-career-at-essendon-and-richmond-ahead-of-100th-game/story-e6frfkp9-1227415045048
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Richmond assistant coach Brendon Lade talking about Houli:
* He uses the ball really well and he’s one of our best runners at the Club as well. So he’s always in position to receive the ball. His contested possession has really picked up this year, he’s more consistent in that area. But this is the big one - I think he’s second at the Club behind Dusty for metres gained. Getting that metres gained every game is really good for us.
* That [combining tighter defence with attacking flair off half-back] is something he’s improved in his game, doing both those things a lot better than he has in the past. Bachar would be the first to admit he’s defending really well first, and then he’s playing offense second.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-07-24/houli-hits-the-heights
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VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-02-26/houli-ahead-of-hawks
Rebounding Richmond backman Bachar Houli is excited at the prospect of receiving some valuable assistance in turning defence into attack for the team throughout season 2016.
Over the past few seasons, Houli has shouldered much of the responsibility for this due to his elite run-and-carry ability.
Now, however, the talented left-footer is set to be backed up by the likes of experienced Carlton recruit Chris Yarran, a revitalised Reece Conca (who has been successfully trialled as a half-back during the pre-season), and promising second-year Tiger Jason Castagna.
Houli was particularly impressed with what he saw from Castagna in last Friday’s opening-round NAB Challenge match against Fremantle in Mandurah.
“I look after Jason, being his mentor,” Houli told ‘Roar Vision’.
“He only played half a game, but he really showed some dash from half-back . . . He gets another opportunity this week (v Hawthorn at Beaconsfield on Saturday) as well.
Read more: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-02-26/houli-has-high-hopes-for-handy-help
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RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli is taking his Altona North property to auction the week before the season starts.
Houli has played with the Tigers since 2011 and has become a community leader as one of the first Muslim players at the AFL level.
His three-bedroom home at 1/9 First Ave offers a low-maintenance layout, with bright interiors, landscaped gardens and outdoor decking.
Rashard Risilia, of RT Edgar, Williamstown, will auction the home on March 19 with price expectations of $470,000-plus.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/realestate/news/melbourne-vic/former-australian-of-the-year-author-john-caldwell-is-taking-his-renovated-prahran-home-to-auction/news-story/135151782ea3685dcb3979b63690e0d8
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See I think Houli is a massive part of the problem that is the RFC..
He is as soft as butter IMO. And I don't think many people could debate that?
Half of his kicks on Saturday were from playing on from a Geelong behind and kicking these lob kicks down the line with absolutely no penetration to them.
He costs us at least a couple of goals a game from dropping a simple mark or stuffing up a short kick.
He has improved as a defender but opposition players would rub their hand together when Houli came to them..
He plays with no passion and is just a vanilla AFL footballer. A player that will never take you to the next step.
If you are wondering why we are where we are it's because of players like Houli and Grigg. And even Ellis. Guys that just run around with no real purpose.
If you get 30 odd kicks as a running defender and have 10 odd tackles you win games like the one on Saturday unless something is missing.
I'd play Matty Dea before Houli any day.
This is so spot on what a great summation of how a few OF US think about Houli.
What worries me is people think the backline has been great. Not so much on this site though.
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weakest list - of the established players
the upside is good, skills, run, rebound
the downside is bad, lack of defending, soft
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Reckon Houli is a gun
If he has a good game
We usually win
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That's because we usually win games when the opposition doesn't apply much pressure - which is when Houli flourishes. QED. :shh
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Bachar Houli hopes new academy can lead to more Muslim players in the AFL
MICHAEL WARNER
Herald Sun
March 21, 2016
BACHAR Houli chuckles about sharing his prayer room at the MCG with the Richmond mascot.
“There’s a little room at the MCG. It’s not just for me, it’s for the mascot, too. Well he uses my room actually. It’s all good,” the defender explains.
“The club has got two places for me (to pray). The MCG has a place, Etihad has a place. Even travelling interstate ... they’ve got that ready for me.
“Prayer is a connection you have with God and it’s something beautiful because it keeps me on track.”
Footy’s best-known Muslim is entering his 10th season and is creating a talent pathway through his academy for Muslims to follow in his steps.
Gold Coast’s Adam Saad is the AFL’s only other Muslim player and Houli has set a target of 10 more being drafted over the next 10 years.
This year there’s academies in five states and the Bachar Houli Cup — a national competition for Islamic schools.
“I’ve got kids from grade 5 up until Year 11 involved and the great thing about it is that the schools are buying in,” Houli says.
“It’s my heart and soul. I want to see more Muslims playing the game at the highest level. It’s so important, not only in terms of football development, but leadership as well.
“These kids get to 17 or 18, they finish school or they don’t even get to Year 12 and they don’t know what to do. They’ve got nothing to fall back on, so we teach them about leadership, how to deal with certain things.”
Houli, 27, the son of Lebanese parents, had to deal with controversy last year after 3AW broadcaster John Burns was accused of calling him a “Muslim terrorist” at a match.
He didn’t dwell on it and took positives from it.
“It created awareness, it created communication. It got out and people knew it wasn’t right, whether he said it or not,” Houli says.
“I think there’s a minority who still have a lot to learn and have to open their mind.”
More drama came against Fremantle in Round 17 after an errant kickout in the dying seconds helped Freo steal victory.
It cost the Tigers a top-four spot, but he hasn’t worried about it.
“I was upset at the time, but ... it’s just a game. That’s what Dimma said to me after the game. He said ‘Look at me’ and he smiled and said: ‘It’s just a frigging game ... just move on. Don’t worry about it’.
“Dimma knows the type of person I am. I can get really down on myself and I blamed myself for the whole game.
“... You know what, I’ll probably stuff up again, maybe not to that extent or it could be worse, but I’m not going to shy away from what I do.
“It’s actually helped me grow as a player.”
Houli’s best buddies are Ivan Maric, Brandon Ellis and skipper Trent Cotchin.
“They’re my close mates but in saying that I’m a floater — I love to get among any group, young or old, and say: ‘Who wants to go out for lunch?’ I can’t spend a lot of time with the boys going out at night having a few beers because that’s not my lifestyle, so I try to make up for that going out for brekkies or lunch.”
He’s not as close to Dustin Martin but rallied behind him during the chopsticks saga.
“I’m not the closest person to Dustin, but I felt for him.
“He’s a shy kid ... up until three years ago Dusty was a man of very few words, but today he’s actually stepping up in meetings.
“He’s bringing up certain things where I say: ‘Hang on, I didn’t really think of that’. And so he should, because he’s a leader of the club, as much as he doesn’t speak a hell of a lot.”
The 137-gamer believes Richmond has built a list with depth and versatility.
“The successful clubs are the ones that have got depth. You look at Hawthorn, Fremantle and West Coast,” he says.
“They’ve got players that can step up and fulfil that role. Throughout the pre-season we have focused on throwing players in different positions so that we become more versatile.
“The game is going to be tougher with less rotations and so we need to find that flexibility.”
Houli’s message to his academy kids is you can be a devout Muslim and play AFL.
“When I first got drafted, people questioned me,” he says.
“They said you’re probably not going to be able to hold on to your faith. You’ll live a luxurious life of women, alcohol and fame. But I grew so much from that, and I said no.
“If something doesn’t fit within my religion, I won’t do it. I won’t compromise. It helps me become a better person.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/bachar-houli-hopes-new-academy-can-lead-to-more-muslim-players-in-the-afl/news-story/d8c739e575949285d06dfebbd2d0867a#load-story-comments
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:facepalm
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:wallywink
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terrible
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See I think Houli is a massive part of the problem that is the RFC..
He is as soft as butter IMO. And I don't think many people could debate that?
Half of his kicks on Saturday were from playing on from a Geelong behind and kicking these lob kicks down the line with absolutely no penetration to them.
He costs us at least a couple of goals a game from dropping a simple mark or stuffing up a short kick.
He has improved as a defender but opposition players would rub their hand together when Houli came to them..
He plays with no passion and is just a vanilla AFL footballer. A player that will never take you to the next step.
If you are wondering why we are where we are it's because of players like Houli and Grigg. And even Ellis. Guys that just run around with no real purpose.
If you get 30 odd kicks as a running defender and have 10 odd tackles you win games like the one on Saturday unless something is missing.
I'd play Matty Dea before Houli any day.
This is so spot on what a great summation of how a few OF US think about Houli.
What worries me is people think the backline has been great. Not so much on this site though.
Does ANYONE still think Bachar is a good defender? ANYONE!!
I hate to say I told you so but I did.
Ellis and Grigg can get stuffed too.
3 of the most pathetic AFL footballer to pull on a Tiger jumper ever.
They make me embarrassed to to a Tiger supporter.
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Weak as pee.
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Weak as pee.
He is weaker than that Ox.
Most guys have a crack. Some might not have the skill but at least they are willing to go and get the footy. I'd even consider BEllis as tough compered to this soft behindhole.
I constantly drive my mates mad about how much I cannot take this bloke because of his softness. Enough is bloody enough.
Does everyone see it now?
He is a nice kick of the footy but he is not an AFL footballers behindhole.
stuff him off once and for all.
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Weak as pee.
yes
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You're doing pee a disservice. :whistle
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Another Hardwick polyfiller player who is beyond his use by date. Of course being a coach favourite he will play until retirement so we have many more pages of this thread to enjoy in the seasons to come.
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A metaphorical filler to minimize or obscure defects.
:clapping :clapping
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Weak as pee.
He is weaker than that Ox.
Most guys have a crack. Some might not have the skill but at least they are willing to go and get the footy. I'd even consider BEllis as tough compered to this soft behindhole.
I constantly drive my mates mad about how much I cannot take this bloke because of his softness. Enough is bloody enough.
Does everyone see it now?
He is a nice kick of the footy but he is not an AFL footballers behindhole.
stuff him off once and for all.
Batchlor had 1 game but l would back him
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Weak as pee.
He is weaker than that Ox.
Most guys have a crack. Some might not have the skill but at least they are willing to go and get the footy. I'd even consider BEllis as tough compered to this soft behindhole.
I constantly drive my mates mad about how much I cannot take this bloke because of his softness. Enough is bloody enough.
Does everyone see it now?
He is a nice kick of the footy but he is not an AFL footballers behindhole.
stuff him off once and for all.
Batchlor had 1 game but l would back him
Well you no idea then.
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Weak as pee.
He is weaker than that Ox.
Most guys have a crack. Some might not have the skill but at least they are willing to go and get the footy. I'd even consider BEllis as tough compered to this soft behindhole.
I constantly drive my mates mad about how much I cannot take this bloke because of his softness. Enough is bloody enough.
Does everyone see it now?
He is a nice kick of the footy but he is not an AFL footballers behindhole.
stuff him off once and for all.
Batchlor had 1 game but l would back him
Well you no idea then.
so you be dropping Maric also
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Weak as pee.
He is weaker than that Ox.
Most guys have a crack. Some might not have the skill but at least they are willing to go and get the footy. I'd even consider BEllis as tough compered to this soft behindhole.
I constantly drive my mates mad about how much I cannot take this bloke because of his softness. Enough is bloody enough.
Does everyone see it now?
He is a nice kick of the footy but he is not an AFL footballers behindhole.
stuff him off once and for all.
Batchlor had 1 game but l would back him
Well you no idea then.
so you be dropping Maric also
Has Maric been running around in the twos since round 1??
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For a guy with a physique like this he really is a squib. It's disgraceful.
No confidence at all either. Should take taken a shot deep in the 4th but chose to take the easy option...
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Squibar Squibli. The squibbiest squib to ever squib
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Useless - but another who'll never get dropped while Half-Step Hardwick is running the show....
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Weak as pee.
He is weaker than that Ox.
Most guys have a crack. Some might not have the skill but at least they are willing to go and get the footy. I'd even consider BEllis as tough compered to this soft behindhole.
I constantly drive my mates mad about how much I cannot take this bloke because of his softness. Enough is bloody enough.
Does everyone see it now?
He is a nice kick of the footy but he is not an AFL footballers behindhole.
stuff him off once and for all.
Batchlor had 1 game but l would back him
Well you no idea then.
so you be dropping Maric also
Has Maric been running around in the twos since round 1??
Has Maric played senior football this year & got smashed
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Weak as pee.
He is weaker than that Ox.
Most guys have a crack. Some might not have the skill but at least they are willing to go and get the footy. I'd even consider BEllis as tough compered to this soft behindhole.
I constantly drive my mates mad about how much I cannot take this bloke because of his softness. Enough is bloody enough.
Does everyone see it now?
He is a nice kick of the footy but he is not an AFL footballers behindhole.
stuff him off once and for all.
Batchlor had 1 game but l would back him
Well you no idea then.
so you be dropping Maric also
Has Maric been running around in the twos since round 1??
Has Maric played senior football this year & got smashed
Your kidding, that's your come back..... so Batchelor getting 'smashed" in the VFL is the excuse you have for him playing like poo in the firsts. Gee I would have thought the firsts was a lot more physical and demanding.
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WAT can you provide evidence of Batchelor being smashed in the 2's?
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WAT can you provide evidence of Batchelor being smashed in the 2's?
WTF are you talking about, that's what Monk was indicating not me..
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WAT can you provide evidence of Batchelor being smashed in the 2's?
WTF are you talking about, that's what Monk was indicating not me..
No he didn't, not in the slightest
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Any news on his injury ? With out him and mcintosh off halfback we somehow won the game. Would we have been better or worse off with him ? Yes he's soft as butter but be provides drive off halfback. Turnover riddled drive that is.
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Who cares. Just play Batch.
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6 weeks
Broken wrist
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he needs to rest up and come back in round 20 for trade value.
he is average and we dont need him. Alah can have him back now
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The new Andrew Raines ....loved by the media ...loved by the opposition too because he turns the ball over..
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I actually thought Bacher would go alright this year with the introduction of Yarran.
Thought he might get off the chain a bit ( with Yarran attracting more attention ) and do some damage with his "elite" kicking .
Unfortunately as we approach the halfway mark of the season that plan is yet to get off the ground.
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Any news on his injury ? With out him and mcintosh off halfback we somehow won the game. Would we have been better or worse off with him ? Yes he's soft as butter but be provides drive off halfback. Turnover riddled drive that is.
Maybe it shows the over reliance on him. We look for him at all times and the opposition only have to apply slight pressure and he becomes too fumbly. Without him we looked for other options and had versatility which made us less predictable
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Any news on his injury ? With out him and mcintosh off halfback we somehow won the game. Would we have been better or worse off with him ? Yes he's soft as butter but be provides drive off halfback. Turnover riddled drive that is.
Maybe it shows the over reliance on him. We look for him at all times and the opposition only have to apply slight pressure and he becomes too fumbly. Without him we looked for other options and had versatility which made us less predictable
Spot on!
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Wrist surgery puts Tiger backman out for 12 weeks
Peter Ryan
May 17, 2016 1:08 PM
RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli is expected to miss up to 12 weeks following wrist surgery on Monday.
The 28-year-old hurt his wrist at training on Thursday and missed Saturday night's thrilling one-point victory against the Sydney Swans.
The Tigers are understood to be awaiting an exact prognosis but expect Houli will spend a lengthy stint on the sidelines.
Houli has been a key player in the Tigers backline and is contracted for 2017.
He is yet to have the chance to play alongside Chris Yarran who was recruited from Carlton to play as a running defender but is yet to play a game for the Tigers due to injury.
More to come
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-17/wrist-surgery-puts-tiger-backman-out-for-12
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12 weeks? Wow!
I can just see big tone doing cartwheels! ;D
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I'm wrapt.
This bloke is a coward.
I can't stand him anymore.
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So who do we upgrade? The cream?
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Any Hasidic Jews in he VFL waiting for an opportunity?.
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Any Hasidic Jews in he VFL waiting for an opportunity?.
No but I heard Ezra Poyas will be our next homecoming hero..... :shh
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Wrist surgery puts Tiger backman out for 8-10 weeks
AFL.com.au
May 17, 2016
RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli is expected to miss between eight and 10 weeks following wrist surgery on Monday.
The 28-year-old hurt his wrist at training on Thursday and missed Saturday night's thrilling one-point victory against the Sydney Swans.
The Tigers are understood to be awaiting an exact prognosis but expect Houli will spend a lengthy stint on the sidelines.
Houli has been a key player in the Tigers backline and is contracted for 2017.
He is yet to have the chance to play alongside Chris Yarran who was recruited from Carlton to play as a running defender but is yet to play a game for the Tigers due to injury.
Houli has played 118 games with the Tigers after 26 matches with Essendon and triggered a clause that sees him a certainty to play on with the Tigers next season.
Houli told K-Rock Football on Saturday night he had been looking forward to playing alongside Yarran since the Tigers secured the ex-Blue during last year's trade period.
"Hopefully we can play some footy together this year just to show fans that we have picked up Chris to in a way give me a bit of a chop out. What is more exciting is seeing young Corey Ellis take it to the next level," Houli said.
"He is showing some glimpses that he can carry the ball and deliver the ball really well off the half-back so that takes a bit of pressure off myself and Chris as well, so as much as we're all waiting for Chris to bounce back, we've got some really good talent."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-17/wrist-surgery-puts-tiger-backman-out-for-12
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12 weeks? Wow!
I can just see big tone doing cartwheels! ;D
:lol
I am a tad happy with that news.
All I need now is for BEllis to do a slight hammy and its complete.
It's bad when it's come to this.
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So who do we upgrade? The cream?
Who would you upgrade?
IMO its a really good opportunity to upgrade someone that maybe isn't quite 100% ready. Give them a few games and let them see what is required at the level. Maybe Chol or Moore?? Both have shown good signs in the VFL. Nothing really to lose.
Thoughts??
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So who do we upgrade? The cream?
Who would you upgrade?
IMO its a really good opportunity to upgrade someone that maybe isn't quite 100% ready. Give them a few games and let them see what is required at the level. Maybe Chol or Moore?? Both have shown good signs in the VFL. Nothing really to lose.
Thoughts??
Wouldn't mind elevating Moore at this point because he is slightly ahead in development. He can also play back, forward and even could be developed into a tall mid with his athleticism.
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Chol or Moore
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So who do we upgrade? The cream?
Who would you upgrade?
IMO its a really good opportunity to upgrade someone that maybe isn't quite 100% ready. Give them a few games and let them see what is required at the level. Maybe Chol or Moore?? Both have shown good signs in the VFL. Nothing really to lose.
Thoughts??
Not sure to be honest, just not Marcon IMO. Is Castagna still on the main list now that Conca's back? I lost track of who is and isn't still upgraded but I believe he's still on the main list. So that really only leaves Chol, Moore or Soldo. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Soldo get a crack but that's more out of curiousity than actually thinking he'll perform :lol.
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Not sure to be honest, just not Marcon IMO. Is Castagna still on the main list now that Conca's back?
Yes George is still on the main list. He was our rookie upgrade to fill the spare spot we had on the senior list at the start of the season, so he is there for the entire season
Short was the upgrade for Conca but has been allowed to remain on the main list because they've put McIntosh on the LTI list
We can still upgrade one of the others because they've got McKenzie on the LTI as well
My view is instead of simply upgrading another rookie why don't we give the likes of Mrakov and Butler a try and see what they've got even if they aren't 100% ready?
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Not sure to be honest, just not Marcon IMO. Is Castagna still on the main list now that Conca's back?
Yes George is still on the main list. He was our rookie upgrade to fill the spare spot we had on the senior list at the start of the season, so he is there for the entire season
Short was the upgrade for Conca but has been allowed to remain on the main list because they've put McIntosh on the LTI list
We can still upgrade one of the others because they've got McKenzie on the LTI as well
My view is instead of simply upgrading another rookie why don't we give the likes of Mrakov and Butler a try and see what they've got even if they aren't 100% ready?
Thanks WP. I wasn't sure if we could have put Cas back instead of Short (not sure what the rule is on that). Agree with giving other kids a try, we don't necessarily have to give a game to a rookie
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C moore pls
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Tiger reveals injury first occurred in 2014
AFL.com.au
23 June 2016
RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli has revealed the wrist injury that has sidelined him for the past six weeks first occurred two years ago.
Houli, who will revisit his surgeon on Monday, underwent surgery in May to have a screw inserted in his left wrist after an incident at training brought the problem to the surface.
Although his original injury did not require surgery and passed quickly, the experienced half-back said he could trace the latest problem back to a match against Greater Western Sydney in 2014.
"It occurred about two years ago but the injury was very minor at the time," Houli told AFL.com.au.
"It was a GWS game and I got pushed after I kicked and landed on it … for three or four weeks it was painful but then it went away.
"About four weeks prior to injuring it at training (this year) I was starting to feel it so I was taping my wrist.
"Then that session at training … I basically got tackled and fell to the ground and tried to brace myself by putting my hand out."
Houli was originally expected to miss eight to 10 weeks and is on track to return at the longer end of that timeline.
The 28-year-old will receive a report from his surgeon on Monday before taking the next step in his rehab.
"Once he gives me the all-clear I'll progress and do some sort of ball-handling," he said.
"I started kicking the footy with the team Tuesday, but I can't mark the footy.
"So I've actually got two coaches with me, one on the side marking the footy and the other one I'm kicking to.
"I hope I can get back in three to four weeks. I've had enough time on the sidelines."
Houli described his past six weeks as a mini pre-season, given the high running component, and said his fitness levels had improved as a result.
After taking a mental break following surgery, he has tried to stay involved with his teammates and stave off the loneliness of rehab by mentoring the club's young defenders.
"I've taken couple of boys under my wing, the guys who play off half-back – Nathan Drummond, Corey Ellis and Connor Menadue," he said.
"If I can teach them one or two things that I've learnt over the years then hopefully we'll have more players who are versatile and can run through that role."
The injury has also given Houli, who is fasting for Ramadan, more time to spend on his multicultural programs, including the Bachar Houli Islamic Schools Cup.
"We start the Bachar Houli Cup in about three weeks' time and that's stepped up as well," he said.
"We've got 10 schools involved, from grade five and six and all secondary students.
"Hopefully we can keep locating those players that we need to work on and give them every possible chance of making it to the highest level."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-23/tigers-defender-bachar-houli-reveals-origin-of-his-wrist-injury
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Houli reveals he's limp wristed since coming to Richmond......
Tell us something we didn't know. :rollin
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From Robbo's 'likes' column today:
10. Bachar Houli
He has his flaws, but boy isn’t he a weapon when he is allowed to run like he did on Friday night? The Tigers played tippety footy — touch it and move it — and Houli was rampant through half-back and the midfield. People say it’s players like Houli who didn’t help the Tigers win finals, but I disagree. When he plays well, he transforms the Tigers from crabs to a creative, running, moving football team. He had 30 touches, a game-high six inside-50s and used the ball at 83 per cent. Houli, Rance, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin and Shaun Grigg led the way for Oleg Markov, Adam Marcon, Jayden Short and Daniel Rioli in a much-needed victory
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-marcus-bontempelli-paul-roos-and-collingwood-make-mark-robinsons-likes-dislikes-for-round-20/news-story/512ca52a103cad931e4ce000f7365d9b
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From Robbo's 'likes' column today:
10. Bachar Houli
He has his flaws, but boy isn’t he a weapon when the stakes are low, opposition sides apply no presurre and allow him to run like he did on Friday night? The Tigers played tippety footy — touch it and move it — and Houli was rampant through half-back and the midfield. People say it’s players like Houli who didn’t help the Tigers win finals and they're right, which makes this article all the more pointless. When he plays well, he transforms the Tigers from crabs to a creative, running, moving football team. He had 30 touches, a game-high six inside-50s and used the ball at 83 per cent but Rance, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt led the way for Oleg Markov, Jayden Short and Daniel Rioli in a much-needed victory
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-marcus-bontempelli-paul-roos-and-collingwood-make-mark-robinsons-likes-dislikes-for-round-20/news-story/512ca52a103cad931e4ce000f7365d9b
e.f.a. Slobbo
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From Robbo's 'likes' column today:
10. Bachar Houli
He has his flaws, but boy isn’t he a weapon when he is allowed to run like he did on Friday night? The Tigers played tippety footy — touch it and move it — and Houli was rampant through half-back and the midfield. People say it’s players like Houli who didn’t help the Tigers win finals, but I disagree. When he plays well, he transforms the Tigers from crabs to a creative, running, moving football team. He had 30 touches, a game-high six inside-50s and used the ball at 83 per cent. Houli, Rance, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin and Shaun Grigg led the way for Oleg Markov, Adam Marcon, Jayden Short and Daniel Rioli in a much-needed victory
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-marcus-bontempelli-paul-roos-and-collingwood-make-mark-robinsons-likes-dislikes-for-round-20/news-story/512ca52a103cad931e4ce000f7365d9b
Can you believe this guys gets paid for his thoughts on football.
The thing with good sides, finals sides, they don't let players like Houli near the footy and know he isn't going to get it himself.
He played pretty well the other night but against a very poor defensive side. Do you think Geelong will give my that latitude this week?
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The Tigers have extended Houli’s contract until the end of 2018.
Houli has achieved a top-10 Jack Dyer Medal placing in each of those six seasons, while Grigg has managed a top-10 finish five times.
Although Houli missed 10 games because of a wrist injury this year, he has performed admirably in his 11 appearances.
The 28-year-old is averaging 25.1 disposals per game, is ranked seventh in the competition for rebound-50s per game and eighth for marks per game.
He racked up an AFL career-high 36 disposals in the Round 3 match against Adelaide at Etihad Stadium.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-24/houli-grigg-extend-tigerland-tenure
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All hail Clanger King Bachar, the Panic Merchant of Punt Road, where the best form of defence is non-existant! :gotigers
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
He would have been perfect trade bait but alas we don't have the guts....
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
He would have been perfect trade bait but alas we don't have the guts....
This. Grigg too. Who we gonna throw on the table? Chris Newman?
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Houli is depth for mine but i would not have signed Grigg.
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
Thanks! 👍👍👍
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
Thanks! 👍👍👍
Pleasure
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Mediocrity strikes again..
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Don't agree with this
He had 12 months to run, didn't need an extension IMHO
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Don't agree with this
He had 12 months to run, didn't need an extension IMHO
Exactly. :clapping
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Stability in mediocrity.
Way to go Tiges!
Locking in some real talent here.
Premiership flag here we come !!!
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
You would.
Clanger leader in the afl.
Well done Einstein.
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
You would.
Clanger leader in the afl.
Well done Einstein.
He might deserve it but we don't.
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
You would.
Clanger leader in the afl.
Well done Einstein.
He might deserve it but we don't.
Haram Dingo
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
You would.
Clanger leader in the afl.
Well done Einstein.
Missed Houli big time this year
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
You would.
Clanger leader in the afl.
Well done Einstein.
Missed Houli big time this year
Did you?
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:snidegrin
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To be fair, Houli isn't a bad little player but he ain't great either.
So many flaws, from scaredy pants to turnover king.
When you lock him in alongside Hampson, Grigg etc, what you have is a domino theory.
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To be fair, Houli isn't a bad little player but he ain't great either.
So many flaws, from scaredy pants to turnover king.
When you lock him in alongside Hampson, Grigg etc, what you have is a domino theory.
No Oxy. What you have is a dud horse and two sacks of horse 💩
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I know. I was trying a different approach.
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The club is a mess- plain and simple.
You would think we are a finals side the way we are resigning D grade players.
We are a weak, spineless club at the moment. Worst I have seen it in a long time.
We sign guys because they are good blokes.
It's sad!
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Poor decision by the club.
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We sign guys because they are good blokes.
You might think they're good blokes but we think they're fantastic inside our 4 walls.
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Funny cause Grigg is actually a pretty average bloke (putting it nicely)
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.....and you know that how?.....
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Hardwick extension all over again.
Why did we need to extend Houli to 2018?
Surely to the end of 2017 was enough?
Couldn't he have been extended this time next year?
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.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
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.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
Apparently it's a funny Cause. :wallywink
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.....and you know that how?.....
Are you implying you know otherwise? Or you just being the big saviour again?
.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
Don't know him personally but few mutual contacts who know him outside football. Can never truly judge someone you meet at player sponsor dinners.
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.....and you know that how?.....
Are you implying you know otherwise? Or you just being the big saviour again?
.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
Don't know him personally but few mutual contacts who know him outside football. Can never truly judge someone you meet at player sponsor dinners.
Sooo....Heresay eh!....hmmm
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.....and you know that how?.....
Are you implying you know otherwise? Or you just being the big saviour again?
.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
Don't know him personally but few mutual contacts who know him outside football. Can never truly judge someone you meet at player sponsor dinners.
Sooo....Heresay eh!....hmmm
Just like your afl career. It would seem.
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Not giving 100% effort when you're highly paid to do so is a fair indication of poor character, hence why I tend to believe Yeahright's sources re:Grigg...
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The club is a mess- plain and simple.
You would think we are a finals side the way we are resigning D grade players.
We are a weak, spineless club at the moment. Worst I have seen it in a long time.
We sign guys because they are good blokes.
It's sad!
Sad for us but hilarious for the rest of he competition
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34 years perfectly summed up in one sentence there....
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.....and you know that how?.....
Are you implying you know otherwise? Or you just being the big saviour again?
.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
Don't know him personally but few mutual contacts who know him outside football. Can never truly judge someone you meet at player sponsor dinners.
Sooo....Heresay eh!....hmmm
Just like your afl career. It would seem.
some of you blokes don't like being called out do you? good at bagging and calling out the players though
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.....and you know that how?.....
Are you implying you know otherwise? Or you just being the big saviour again?
.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
Don't know him personally but few mutual contacts who know him outside football. Can never truly judge someone you meet at player sponsor dinners.
Sooo....Heresay eh!....hmmm
Just like your afl career. It would seem.
some of you blokes don't like being called out do you? good at bagging and calling out the players though
Oh I'm extremely good. I'll call myself out on that just for you. But I don't pretend to be something I'm not.
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.....and you know that how?.....
Are you implying you know otherwise? Or you just being the big saviour again?
.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
Don't know him personally but few mutual contacts who know him outside football. Can never truly judge someone you meet at player sponsor dinners.
Sooo....Heresay eh!....hmmm
Just like your afl career. It would seem.
some of you blokes don't like being called out do you? good at bagging and calling out the players though
Oh I'm extremely good. I'll call myself out on that just for you. But I don't pretend to be something I'm not.
surely you couldn't be as negative,critical and disdainful as you sound... in real life..... surely.
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Not giving 100% effort when you're highly paid to do so is a fair indication of poor character, hence why I tend to believe Yeahright's sources re:Grigg...
Same can be said for 9/10ths of the group.
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Sooo....Heresay eh!....hmmm
Mmmm interesting what you consider heresay when it suits you but you're willing to believe heresay that he's a ripping bloke? Or do you know for a fact he is?
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Of course he does...they were teammates after all.... :shh
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.....and you know that how?.....
Are you implying you know otherwise? Or you just being the big saviour again?
.....and you know that how?.....
Was going to ask the same question
I have met him a few times at player sponsor dinners (and no i dont sponsor him) and found him to be a ripping bloke.
Don't know him personally but few mutual contacts who know him outside football. Can never truly judge someone you meet at player sponsor dinners.
Sooo....Heresay eh!....hmmm
Just like your afl career. It would seem.
some of you blokes don't like being called out do you? good at bagging and calling out the players though
Oh I'm extremely good. I'll call myself out on that just for you. But I don't pretend to be something I'm not.
surely you couldn't be as negative,critical and disdainful as you sound... in real life..... surely.
Happy being critical if my team and players when they are poo. Very happy in real life and unlike some im comfortable about who i am in real life.
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
You would.
Clanger leader in the afl.
Well done Einstein.
Missed Houli big time this year
11 games with him - 2 wins, 9 losses.
10 games without him - 6 wins, 4 losses.
Yep - indispensable is Bachar..... :shh
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
You would.
Clanger leader in the afl.
Well done Einstein.
Missed Houli big time this year
11 games with him - 2 wins, 9 losses.
10 games without him - 6 wins, 4 losses.
Yep - indispensable is Bachar..... :shh
:lol
:clapping
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Reckon he deserves it 👍👍
You would.
Clanger leader in the afl.
Well done Einstein.
Missed Houli big time this year
11 games with him - 2 wins, 9 losses.
10 games without him - 6 wins, 4 losses.
Yep - indispensable is Bachar..... :shh
:lol
:clapping
Another "gem"
:clapping
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Houli praisers have been a little quiet lately and I think I know why. They are realising, despite his run and carry, he is a panic merchant who makes fundamental mistakes in big moments of the game. Consider this the new Hampson Highlights thread as I believe we won't be seeing him again..
Round 10 2017, Dreamtime at the G'. Richmond have lost the previous three games by a total of 10 points with Richmond having the lead at some point in the last quarter of each game. Enter Houli, who only needs to take a simple chest mark in the last 5 minutes of the game after Rance saves a goal and Grigg assists him by clearing it from defence. Is that footsteps he heard?
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Houli praisers have been a little quiet lately and I think I know why. They are realising, despite his run and carry, he is a panic merchant who makes fundamental mistakes in big moments of the game. Consider this the new Hampson Highlights thread as I believe we won't be seeing him again..
Round 10 2017, Dreamtime at the G'. Richmond have lost the previous three games by a total of 10 points with Richmond having the lead at some point in the last quarter of each game. Enter Houli, who only needs to take a simple chest mark in the last 5 minutes of the game after Rance saves a goal and Grigg assists him by clearing it from defence. Is that footsteps he heard?
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:lol :lol
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Houli praisers have been a little quiet lately and I think I know why. They are realising, despite his run and carry, he is a panic merchant who makes fundamental mistakes in big moments of the game. Consider this the new Hampson Highlights thread as I believe we won't be seeing him again..
Round 10 2017, Dreamtime at the G'. Richmond have lost the previous three games by a total of 10 points with Richmond having the lead at some point in the last quarter of each game. Enter Houli, who only needs to take a simple chest mark in the last 5 minutes of the game after Rance saves a goal and Grigg assists him by clearing it from defence. Is that footsteps he heard?
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:clapping :clapping
Does this every time when the game is hot, every time, I've been very vocal about it in recent times bc frankly as far as I'm concerned he's shown over and over again he doesn't have the poise to be a contributor in finals. If you run the tape longer you'll also see how he misjudges the flight of the pass in the centre which could've been a monumental turnover, sat there like he had cement in his boots. Last week he was running into his teammate trying to get the ball instead of shepherding bc his teammate ALREADY had the ball.
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Oh crap that's gold :lol
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Bacha is a gun - love the way he plays.
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Last week he was running into his teammate trying to get the ball instead of shepherding bc his teammate ALREADY had the ball.
Saw that and tbh I thought it was Grigg? I was watching from a mates and was pretty hammered by then though so stand to be corrected. If you know the timing of it (quarter and how long left) I can always post the clip on here :thumbsup
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Last week he was running into his teammate trying to get the ball instead of shepherding bc his teammate ALREADY had the ball.
Saw that and tbh I thought it was Grigg? I was watching from a mates and was pretty hammered by then though so stand to be corrected. If you know the timing of it (quarter and how long left) I can always post the clip on here :thumbsup
I'm pretty sure it was in the last quarter and Rance was who he ran into.
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Last week he was running into his teammate trying to get the ball instead of shepherding bc his teammate ALREADY had the ball.
Saw that and tbh I thought it was Grigg? I was watching from a mates and was pretty hammered by then though so stand to be corrected. If you know the timing of it (quarter and how long left) I can always post the clip on here :thumbsup
I'm pretty sure it was in the last quarter and Rance was who he ran into.
I'll have a squiz when I get some time
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It's hilarious we still put up with these types of players.
When will we have a coach that actually wants to get rid of these types? I can't stand these poofs.
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He stop shorts 'bout 7, steps, waits for cheapies from # 9
That dumb mothestuffer 'gainst Freo
shoulda just kicked it on down the the line
We've been carrying Mr.Brownpants
'cause Dimma just loves him a mindless drone
He overrates Mr. Brownpants
Because he looks good
When the opposition leaves him alone...
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Bachar explains his daily routine during Ramadan:
By Darren Mara
SBS
2 Jun 2017
Bachar Houli, the Richmond Tigers midfielder, is currently observing Ramadan, which means he must abstain from food and liquids for around 12 hours each day during the holy month.
"I'm up at 4.30am. That roughly gives me an hour and a half to hydrate, to get all the fluids and the energy in the body and the system, in order to be the person I am for the rest of the day."
He says training during the winter means that staying hydrated isn't a major concern.
His diet is rather minimal, and includes some Australian classics, but there's still time for coffee which he calls "the most important part of the diet".
"A few pieces of toast with a bit of Vegemite and avocado, a bottle of water or a bottle of Hydralite, a few dates, which is great in nutrients and good for the system, and a bit of fruit," Houli said.
"So that gets me through the day."
Houli says as Ramadan progresses, his stomach begins to shrink.
He moves to eating two meals before going to bed, and the changes don't affect his performance on match day.
"I'm always going into a game about a kilo, kilo-and-a-half lighter than what I am normally," he said.
"I generally feel nice and light. In terms of energy levels, nothing changes."
Read more at: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/06/01/observing-ramadan-helps-afl-player-bachar-houli-excel-person
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"I generally feel nice and light. In terms of energy levels, nothing changes."
Should do it all the time then
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Bless you and your family Houli, may you live a long an prosperous life filled with virgins and whatever else you need me o'l mucker
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:lol :shh
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Another great game
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All of Big Tones favorites are smashing it at the moment.
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he is a fantastic footballer to watch
Endless runner
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Another great game
Yes it was. :clapping
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Houli was very good last night.
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Houli was very good last night.
He is good most games
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Houli was very good last night.
He is good most games
Some of his kicking let him down big time (wasn't alone)
But was very good indeed
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My grip with Houli is that he can be very fumbly, bring pressure on himself which hurts his disposal when normally its very good and can shirk contests that need physicality. Apart from that I see his positives.
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Houli was very good last night.
He is good most games
Take it down a notch mate.
He has played well the last couple of weeks but most who "watch the games" know his poor is extremely poor and not AFL standard.
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When the going gets tough at crunch time he poos himself more often than not.
Case in point Essendon game last week, yep, an entire week ago.
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Houli was very good last night.
He is good most games
Rubbish.
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Houli was very good last night.
He is good most games
Some of his kicking let him down big time (wasn't alone)
agree
But was very good indeed
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He tried hard.
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My grip with Houli is that he can be very fumbly, bring pressure on himself which hurts his disposal when normally its very good and can shirk contests that need physicality. Apart from that I see his positives.
This
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My grip with Houli is that he can be very fumbly, bring pressure on himself which hurts his disposal when normally its very good and can shirk contests that need physicality. Apart from that I see his positives.
This
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Against North was the first time I can recall watching Bachar play a really pivotal game in terms of setting up our general play.
His decision making was spot on for the most part, which in my assessment is uncharacteristic. I got the impression that he was playing a different role to what we normally see, although I can't define what was different.
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I thought it was a weird game from him. His kicking didn't look as pretty as it usually does yet his decision making was good like Slipper said and he didn't seem to panic as much so he ended up having a good game by foot for the most part
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I will pray for those bitter souls who had my posts deleted, may god forgive them their petty jealousy and cure their dark vapors
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Bachar just got a huge wrap from the boys on SEN
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That means a lot
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Bachar just got a huge wrap from the boys on SEN
Deservedly so, his form has been excellent
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“The one bloke I’d go to and put work into is Bachar Houli,” Lyon said on SEN Breakfast.
“He is the guy you got to go to and play your best defensive forward on. He runs free and gets no pressure put on him.”
Houli amassed 31 disposals on the weekend against North Melbourne, 26 of which hit the target. The 29-year-old was afforded plenty of space and had 23 uncontested possessions, representing a constant source of drive and penetration coming out of defence.
For the season, Houli is averaging 22.8 disposals with an efficiency percentage of 82.1.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/06/04/lyon-reveals-the-tiger-he-would-tag/
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/06/04/lyon-reveals-the-tiger-he-would-tag/
Seriously!
Stick to the media Gaz.
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Hopefully a few coaches put their faith in gaddys tactics :lol
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Hopefully a few coaches put their faith in gaddys tactics :lol
:thumbsup
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/bachar-houli-opens-up-on-controversy-surrounding-his-jed-lamb-strike-and-suspension/news-story/9e21320ad3880ee234d631e7b25b804c
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Lyon meant he would like to screw Houli's wife
Be nice to the muslim type stuff.
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Darn missed out on that in before
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“The one bloke I’d go to and put work into is Bachar Houli,” Lyon said on SEN Breakfast.
“He is the guy you got to go to and play your best defensive forward on. He runs free and gets no pressure put on him.”
Houli amassed 31 disposals on the weekend against North Melbourne, 26 of which hit the target. The 29-year-old was afforded plenty of space and had 23 uncontested possessions, representing a constant source of drive and penetration coming out of defence.
For the season, Houli is averaging 22.8 disposals with an efficiency percentage of 82.1.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/06/04/lyon-reveals-the-tiger-he-would-tag/
Interesting observation from Gary, i hope that i5 doesn't come to fruition as Houli does crumble under pressure as good as his ball use can be.
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Halfstep's love for this bloke & BEllis will ultimately cost us the flag...
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Halfstep's love for this bloke & BEllis will ultimately cost us the flag...
:yep
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Credit where's it due. Like a few of his teammates, Houli had his best game for the Club IMHO. Didn't shirk the contest, took a number of important intercept marks and used the ball well. No brainfades or coughing up the ball under physical pressure either which he has been criticised for in the past.
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Credit where's it due. Like a few of his teammates, Houli had his best game for the Club IMHO. Didn't shirk the contest, took a number of important intercept marks and used the ball well. No brainfades or coughing up the ball under physical pressure either which he has been criticised for in the past.
Yep, and importantly wore a couple of big hits he knew were coming. Great to see him stand up
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Credit where's it due. Like a few of his teammates, Houli had his best game for the Club IMHO. Didn't shirk the contest, took a number of important intercept marks and used the ball well. No brainfades or coughing up the ball under physical pressure either which he has been criticised for in the past.
Yep, and importantly wore a couple of big hits he knew were coming. Great to see him stand up
THIS!! Was saying it all night.
Guys really stood up to the pressure tonight and I finally believe...
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Played well last night and this should be the minimum as i didn't see him pull out of a contest :clapping
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Possibly his best game for the quality of ball - lauched us repeatedly from half back, didnt swuib it, took the game on and generlly chose the right option.
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He must be wrapped with his move to Richmond now. Looking back at the druggos and all they've gone though and now he is in a preliminary final.
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Actually didn't shyte himself in a final ....now can he manage it three times in a row?
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Spotswood's role in the quest for an AFL premiership
Star Weekly
20 September 2017
Spotswood Football Club will be torn on Saturday when two of its former juniors battle it out for a spot in the AFL grand final.
Richmond half-back flanker Bachar Houli and GWS Giants midfielder Callan Ward learned their trade in the green and gold at McLean Reserve before going on to play for Western Jets in the TAC Cup and then getting drafted.
Houli, 29, was drafted by Essendon with pick 42 in the 2006 national draft, but only played 29 games before moving across to Richmond.
It has been at the Tigers where the penetrating left footer has made a name for himself with the clash against the Giants in the preliminary final on Saturday to be his 143rd game in the yellow and black.
Houli has been embraced by and feels the passion of the famous Tiger Army each time he has set foot on the MCG, but never before has he felt an atmosphere as good as when the Tigers rolled through Geelong in the qualifying final.
“It’s very special when the Tiger Army is out in force,” Houli told
Star Weekly. “There were 95,000 fans [at the qualifying final] and the majority of them were Richmond supporters.
“They’ve been very patient with their support and the fruits are there now.”
Richmond has not featured in a grand final since 1982. The Tigers’ last flag was in 1980. Houli says the key to Richmond’s chances is continuing to maintain its unbreakable team bond.
“You don’t get to where we are without good connection,” Houli said.
“That’s the great thing about our group, we’ve got great connection with all lines.
“The backs, mids and forwards, we all rely on each other, we all work together and when you find teams are gelling together, success comes your way.”
Meanwhile, Kane Lambert, who sparked his career with Williamstown in the Victorian Football League, will be looking to play a big role for Richmond, while Corey Ellis, another Western Jets product, will feature in Richmond’s VFL grand final, should he miss out on selection for the seniors.
The western suburbs, and in particular Spotswood, is proving a great source of talent for AFL clubs to tap into.
http://www.starweekly.com.au/sports/spotswoods-role-quest-afl-premiership/
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Bachar Houli, 29, received the second-most votes for the Norm Smith Medal after gathering 25 disposals and kicking a goal – thriving as the Tigers' predominant 'set-up man' from defence in the club's 48-point win over Adelaide.
Houli was Richmond's most influential player on the ground in the first half, allowed to roam with freedom against an Adelaide team that was content to have their own defender, Rory Laird, loose at the other end of the ground.
"It was just the game to unleash. There was nothing to lose and you've got to play it smart, knowing when to run and when not to," Houli said.
"Even defensively I was really proud of my efforts taking chop out marks etc.
"The great thing about it is that I thought I had a good balance between offence and defence and that's something I've been working hard on for a long time.
"There was the reward at the end of it and it was special to kick a goal as well."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-09-30/houli-proud-of-patience-after-testing-year
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Was awesome I really rate him.
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Actually thought he deserved the Norm Smith Medal, was sensational
Creidt where it is due
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👏👏😂
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Silenced his critics permanently.... :shh
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He was one grabbing the ball at full pace, winning one on ones vs Sloan and taking marks backing into traffic - Bachar was a star yesterday
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Was outstanding yesterday. His courage and attack on the football was first rate. Stood up in the biggest game of them all. Congratulations to him.
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Houli was excellent yesterday, I found myself saying several times "wow Houli's having a blinder"
Whilst he was great I feel if he slotted another of his two behinds he probably would've got the Norm Smith.
No matter, he was excellent and he will have a premiership medal for the rest of his life.
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Excellent game from the big bash. Looked totally calm and classy. Would of loved to have seen him pick up the Norm Smith, but hard to stop the Dusty show atm.
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Like all tigers he was sensational :gotigers
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From not kicking it down the line vs Freo to being an absolute jet on the most important game of the year. He would have deserved the norm Smith but still he can hold his head up high he is a worthy recipient of a premiership medal
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Owl told us to back off him and he was right. Did Owl see this coming? :shh
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Owl told us to back off him and he was right. Did Owl see this coming? :shh
He was the first to do so..... :shh
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Owl told us to back off him and he was right. Did Owl see this coming? :shh
He was the first to do so..... :shh
Owl take a bow mate :bow
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I just think he is a bit slicker than people give him credit for, nice kick, swoops on loose ball, cuts through with his pace and is dangerous when he pushes up forward. Always looks calm no matter what and you can't buy that. His beard is worth the price of entry alone and should be bronzed.
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His beard is worth the price of entry alone and should be bronzed.
:lol :clapping :bow
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Dunno, Vlas might have him covered there
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From the Herald-Sun
Matt Windley and Michael Randall
2 October 2017
“He (Dusty) is a legend,” Houli said of Martin when asked by the Herald Sun.
“He deserves everything that comes his way and his loyalty was more important.”
He may not have won the Norm Smith Medal, but it was still one of the best of his 170-game career that started at Essendon in 2007 and saw him move to Richmond in 2011.
“It’s special,” Houli said.
“I’m a 29-year-old, so I guess I’m more experienced than a lot of the others.
“So it was up to me to step up and the older guys to step up and I think everyone did their fair share.
“And to be honest I didn’t have much left in the tank, but that’s the aim because there’s no next week, is there?
“Or, actually, there is — we’re celebrating next week now.
“But the great thing is that everyone had their moment during the game and I’m really proud with the way we’ve connected as a team.
“We deserve the premiership.”
I agree. Though Houli broke the Crows in 1st half. Martin put on some junk time stuff IMO but he’s very flashy. Always gets votes.
— Tim (@skramit) September 30, 2017
Richmond’s barnstorming victory capped an up and down season on a personal front for Houli, who was suspended earlier in the year for striking Carlton’s Jed Lamb.
The controversial set of circumstances that led him to receiving a four-match ban — he successfully had a four-game suspension reduced to two by the tribunal, only for the AFL to appeal that verdict — saw him become the subject of week-long public conjecture.
But Houli said “there’s no better feeling” than to ultimately end his season with such an exclamation point.
Especially given that, since he returned in Round 19, he has averaged 23.6 disposals a game.
“People say, ‘was it a lesson?’ But for me it’s not a lesson,” Houli said.
“It’s something that happened, that I treated really well, had great support around me and I came back and played really consistent footy.
“That’s the main thing.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/social-media-reacts-to-norm-smith-medal-voting-was-bachar-houli-robbed/news-story/40f66af671e6c3f6b50bb39598b29d66
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Deserves enormous credit for the way he played on Saturday.
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Deserves enormous credit for the way he played on Saturday.
All I can say that his finals series has been very good and on the Grand Final day he was the best he's ever been and would've been a worthy winner of the norm smith medal. As much as I've bagged Houli and criticised his hardness at the contest I will now remember him for this performance because when it matters most he was awesome and led from the front.
Well done Bachar. :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Deserves enormous credit for the way he played on Saturday.
All I can say that his finals series has been very good and on the Grand Final day he was the best he's ever been and would've been a worthy winner of the norm smith medal. As much as I've bagged Houli and criticised his hardness at the contest I will now remember him for this performance because when it matters most he was awesome and led from the front.
Well done Bachar. :clapping :clapping :clapping
Totally agree. He had a very good finals series and he played a brilliant game against the Crows. He would definitely have been a worthy winner of the Norm Smith Medal. He stood up when it counted in the biggest game of the year. I have criticized him in the past for his ball use but on Saturday it was very good. I will forever be grateful for the way he played on Saturday because it played a big part in getting the premiership.
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Dusty more effective from plays.
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From Spotty to a fabulous flag for Bachar Houli
Star Weekly
4 October 2017
Bachar Houli’s journey from the Spotswood Football Club to the AFL premiership dais has not always been smooth – but it makes for one of the best football stories of the year.
Houli, a devout Muslim, was footy mad as a child, but his parents were initially not keen for their son to pull on the green and gold of Spotty in the under-11s.
Houli refused to give up on his dream, getting his Woodsmen coaches to take him to and from training, where he started to learn the craft.
It did not take long for Spotswood to realise it had a talented young player on its books.
With his closing speed, reading of the play and long-range left boot, Houli began to turn heads, piquing the interest of the Western Jets, who signed him to play in the TAC Cup.
Through hard work and dedication, Houli earned his call up to the big league with Essendon. But after only 26 games, he was on the outer and found his way to Richmond through the 2010 preseason draft.
It was a move that would be career-defining.
Houli is now a premiership player after starring in a 48-point thrashing of the Adelaide Crows in the AFL grand final at the MCG on Saturday.
“You never forget your grass roots,” he said.
“Spotty were fantastic for four or five years, gave me the opportunity to play under-11s footy, especially when my parents weren’t very supportive of it.
“It’s a long journey when you start from not being allowed to play footy to now your parents being your biggest fans.”
Houli was superb in the grand final, with some suggesting the half-back flanker was hard done by in the Norm Smith Medal voting.
The 29-year-old was full of class rebounding out of defence and a steadying influence when the game was at its hottest.
The judges awarded the medal for best-on-ground to Dustin Martin, who polled 13 votes to Houli’s 10.
Houli, who finished with 20 kicks, five handballs, 11 marks, five tackles and 1.2, did not care in the slightest, though did admit he might have cost himself a vote or two by not turning his two behinds into goals.
“This is so much more important,” he said while proudly gazing down at his premiership medallion. “Dusty has been the clear outstanding player in the competition – he deserves everything that comes his way. It’s a great feeling, it’s a fantastic feeling.”
Houli was one of 44 players who had never played in an AFL grand final before Saturday.
While there were nerves for most, Houli was surprisingly calm and it showed in his football.
Houli was able to live in the moment and not get too overawed by the enormity of the game, which helped him settle on grand final day.
“I just wanted to soak it in and really enjoy the experience because you might not get that opportunity again,” Houli said. “I enjoyed the whole week – I was really calm yesterday and today and so were my teammates.”
Houli believes it was “the little things” that Richmond did better than other finals sides.
There was a one-percenter that stood out as a key moment for Houli and it was not even a moment within the game.
“It’s great when it starts from the top and today, Damian Hardwick, relaxed, sharing a gag before the grand final – he relaxed everyone,” Houli said.
“We’ve worked really hard all season, we’ve built great relationships and we’ve come a long way.
“We’ve recruited great players from different clubs that have added to our great culture.”
http://www.starweekly.com.au/sports/from-spotty-to-a-fabulous-flag-for-bachar-houli/
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Arguably BOG ....finally stood up when it counted most and played the game of his life.....probably our best of the entire finals campaign outside Martin, Cotchin & Rance.. :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Arguably BOG ....finally stood up when it counted most and played the game of his life.....probably our best of the entire finals campaign outside Martin, Cotchin & Rance.. :clapping :clapping :clapping
And Lambert
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So, next time we have a big game can we count on him?
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Arguably BOG ....finally stood up when it counted most and played the game of his life.....probably our best of the entire finals campaign outside Martin, Cotchin & Rance.. :clapping :clapping :clapping
Agree with this...was sensational :gotigers
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So, next time we have a big game can we count on him?
lets not go nuts... haha I hope so.
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Arguably BOG ....finally stood up when it counted most and played the game of his life.....probably our best of the entire finals campaign outside Martin, Cotchin & Rance.. :clapping :clapping :clapping
Not arguably. Just NOT
Houli plays a great game with no opponent.
Martin plays a great game with an Adelaide player hanging off him, some times two.
Martin BOG without a doubt.
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Bachar Houli opens up on Richmond's drought-breaking premiership
BACHAR HOULI,
Sunday Herald Sun
8 October 2017
EVERYONE plays football to win Grand Finals.
I was no different, playing with Richmond and Essendon across my first 10 seasons, but while it was most definitely a goal, it wasn’t quite the burning ambition others might have had.
I wanted to succeed and win as often as I could. I’ve always been passionate about giving my best and performing to the highest level.
But I also knew that there was more to life than only football, including two of the most important things in my life — my family and my faith.
Something changed for me this year, though. My family and my faith were still as important as always, but the connection, the bond, and the level of care built amongst the Richmond playing group meant it just felt right that not only got the chance to play off in the Grand Final, but also to win the club’s first premiership in 37 years.
It was an incredible experience. I knew it would mean a lot to me, but I didn’t realise how much this chapter in my life would have an impact on me personally.
Take a look at the 22 players who won the Grand Final.
There are only a handful of A-graders. The rest of us are B and C-graders but it is all about being the heart and soul of this team.
Part of the special affinity we have as a group comes from the honest sessions we had in the pre-season. They’ve been called the Triple Hs — we talked about our hardships, our highlights and our heroes.
It gave us a personal insight into what made the players tick, and it wasn’t only about moment, but also about creating conversations for a later time.
To see teammates go into depth about their life away from football showed a vulnerability that led to a trust that we carried through to the Grand Final.
It wasn’t a normal week leading into the big game, but I tried to keep things as normal as possible, and in many ways, that produced a calmness I still can’t quite explain.
The Bachar Houli Academy was scheduled for Grand Final week. It is a week-long program for young Muslims who dream of playing in the AFL. I’m such a believer in the Academy I wasn’t going to miss it.
I was there for a few hours in the afternoon and in the evening, and I was also lucky enough to be there for one of the matches at Essendon’s ground on the Thursday.
The day before the Grand Final was always going to be a bit different.
Training at Punt Rd gave all the players a very special moment we won’t forget. There was a massive vibe there and the players were pumped to see so many fans there.
The Grand Final parade followed. All week I had been speaking with my three-year-old daughter Sarah about how she was going to be in a car with me waving to all the people.
I wasn’t sure she was going to go through with it. She had said: “I don’t want to wave to the people”, but once she got there she was a star.
She was so cool, calm and collected. I looked at her and she was so focused I felt like she was a part of the team.
My other daughter, Maryan, is only 10 weeks old and she was with my wife, Rouba.
I always spend Friday nights with my in-laws, with a barbecue.
I wanted to stick to my routine, except that I had my wife’s pasta instead. Some mates came around and we went out to a local restaurant. I enjoyed the company and, to be honest, it took my mind off the game.
I slept in the spare room that night to try to get some extra sleep. But from the moment I woke up — very early, as I always do — I felt relaxed and calm. Dad and my four brothers came around that morning to pick up their tickets, and they looked more nervous than me.
Some of the players were nervous in the rooms, which is understandable, but I wasn’t. I don’t know why. I just knew we would give 100 per cent so I was determined to soak up the vibe.
How could you not be relaxed in the rooms before the biggest game of your career when Damien Hardwick is cracking gags? Some of them were good, others were not. But you have to laugh, because he is the head coach. He has been great in allowing us to embrace the moment.
I was proud of the way I went about my game. There are certain things about the game that I don’t necessarily do, for example taking chop-out marks on opposition. I felt like I found a new gear. I was confident and relaxed.
At half-time, when we led by nine points, you could just tell that we were going to come out and do well in the third quarter.
I felt as if we had the game won about 10 or 15 minutes into the last quarter, but it wasn’t until one of the last goals we kicked that I remember running back to defence and telling the boys: “How good is this? Enjoy it, we have to celebrate this.” But our back half is so process-driven that they would have none of it, saying the game wasn’t over.
That brought a smile to my face. That attitude got us there in the first place. When the siren went I was next to Trent Cotchin. I just grabbed him and said: “You are coming down with me.” It was a special moment that I will never forget.
The rooms were so busy and it was great to celebrate with families and friends, the supporters and the people who helped us to get to where we were. We sang the song as loud and proud as ever, but I was determined to follow the routine I always do.
As soon as we dispersed, I went straight into the locker room, and took off my boots and let it all sink in. There were only a couple of other players in there and we just sat there and soaked up the moment. It dawned on me we had built something that would last for a very, very long time.
It was great to see my family in the rooms. Rouba doesn’t go to the football much these days because of the kids, but she was there, and so were my father and brothers. Mum watched the game from home with my sisters and my nieces and nephews.
We had the premiership dinner celebrations that night, which was good, but as soon as we came off stage as a group, I left. My family was waiting downstairs for me.
I wasn’t trying to disrespect my teammates by leaving early — I love my teammates — but they understand the importance of family and faith to me.
I ended up going with a group of 20 of my family and friends to a pizza restaurant in Kensington, which they kept open for us. We stayed there for an hour before I went home about 11.30pm. I went to bed about 2am but was up again at 5am, which is my routine.
We have five daily prayers and one of them is 5am, and after I left the mosque, I went around to my cousin’s cafe for a latte. It tasted so good.
My teammates know I don’t drink alcohol, and appreciate I don’t really like being around alcohol. So after they had celebrated for most of the night, I was more than happy to give them a chop-out in terms of media duties for the morning after the Grand Final.
I appeared on Game Day that morning, having had my manager Nigel Carmody make a mad dash to find me a borrowed Richmond polo shirt because mine had been locked away with the property steward after the Grand Final.
We had a great day back at Punt Rd and at the best-and-fairest on the Monday night, so there were plenty of things happening. Then, the boys had their “mad Tuesday” and I was always going to spend an hour or so with them while they were all nice and sober. It was a fun experience, but I had something important to do.
An eight-year-old supporter, Hunter McBurnie, from Albury, has leukaemia and was in the Royal Children’s Hospital. He had written, saying one of his dreams was to meet me and I just thought to myself I had to do something special for him.
Eight weeks prior he had been running around kicking a football and fulfilling his dreams, so it touched my heart to be able to go and meet him. He was rapt but, to be honest, I was just as happy to see him and the smile on his face.
I had close call the following day, though. I am a passionate fisherman and have been doing up a boat so I can have a big snapper season, which is in October and November.
But in the darkness of the early morning on Wednesday, I hit my boat into a pole without a light on and did some serious damage. The only good thing was that, thankfully, no one was hurt. I was able to borrow a mate’s boat straight afterwards and head back out there, but I am not sure how I am going to operate without my boat.
What a difference a week makes. The Friday before the Grand Final I was at the massive parade and on game day more than 100,000 watched us play. But as I write this, I am almost in the middle of nowhere — in the small New South Wales town of Roto, camping with some family and friends.
It is about as far away as you can get from the roar of the MCG on Grand Final day, about eight hours from Melbourne and eight hours from Sydney. We are up here just chilling out and relaxing, quadbiking and having some fun.
It’s been a big week; it’s been a massive year. And it just makes you want to do it all again.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/bachar-houli-opens-up-on-richmonds-droughtbreaking-premiership/news-story/2ba37509998fe9c850365b47752e53d0
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Great article.A Beautiful touch visiting that boy in hospital pure class.
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:bow
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Ch 7 just said they believe Houli has adductor tendonopathy rather than a strain and will miss 1-2 weeks to get it right.
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The Tigers are in the premiership window and aren't carrying too many older players, so there's no pressing need to move anyone on. The more pressing factor for how the list looks next season is the potential salary cap squeeze if they recruit Gold Coast star Tom Lynch.
Bachar Houli
Returned from a groin injury at the weekend and negotiations on a new deal will wait until he strings some games together. Similar to Grigg, the 30-year-old is definitely good enough to go on. Prediction: STAY
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-18/stick-or-twist-your-clubs-over30s
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Richmond development coach Ryan Ferguson provides an insight into top rebound defender Bachar Houli’s importance within the Tigers’ line-up.
High fitness levels
“He’s amazing with his ability to stay fit and have an immediate impact when he’s come back. He had an interrupted pre-season, and a couple of injury setbacks during the year, but the way that he comes back . . . plays half a game in the VFL and shows the young guys how to gut run, and then impacts immediately when he comes back in the (senior) team.”
Exemplary attitude
“He’s as professional as anyone. Goes about it in a quiet way, but he leads by example and a lot of our young guys can learn a lot from him.”
Elite runner
“He knows when to run and he runs hard. You watch him from behind the goals – his power, gut running and high-speed stuff is as good as anyone I’ve ever seen.”
No. 1 at the Club for uncontested possession
“I think everyone that watches Bachar play knows how valuable he is when he’s got the ball in his hands. And he uses it really well . . .”
Metres gained and retained
“I love it when he straightens us up . . . takes the ball, cuts towards goals, takes a bounce. That’s when we’re really looking sharp. And he becomes a pretty dangerous player for opposition teams to have to watch when he plays like that.”
His ability to find targets inside 50
“It’s his composure to take a second, weigh it up, allow us to make some space for him, and then to hit that kick, rather than just blasting it. That’s really important.”
Coming good at the business end of the season
“He showed last year with his run in the finals and his impeccable form . . . Hopefully, he’s ramping up in a similar way this year. He’s starting to get some footy under his belt and I think he can smell finals around the corner. He can smell the big games and he likes those moments . . . There’s something about his personality, his composure and his ability to stay calm, but also step up and deliver.”
His off-field demeanour
“He’s similar to the way he plays. He’s that calm, impeccable sort of person. It’s hard to fault him . . .”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-08-21/coaches-corner-bachar-houli
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/afl-stars-program-to-receive-funding-boost/news-story/3f6c4ab843d5f98c3d12ebdb13ff7b6b
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Bachar Houli gained 419 metres and launched two scores.
End up with 24 possies at 92% efficinecy, 7 marks, 4 tackles, 8 re50s & 3 In50s.
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/1/carl-v-rich
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Bachar Houli gained 419 metres and launched two scores.
End up with 24 possies at 92% efficinecy, 7 marks, 4 tackles, 8 re50s & 3 In50s.
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/1/carl-v-rich
Great game! loved his attack on the ball too.
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Gez were special to have him at our club alot of things he does off field fantastic has spend lat 2 days in New Zealand with victims of the coward attack.Such a role model to society be nice if media pick up on to it.
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Such a role model to society be nice if media pick up on to it.
Don't know the bloke, but reckon that would be the last thing he would want. Seems a very humble person.
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OLD DOG, SAME TRICKS
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
29 April 2019
Bachar Houli is a gem, and one day an opposition club might try something freaky and try to curb his run off a back flank.
They do try to make him accountable, and might even take him deep, but he’s one of the smarter running defenders in the game.
A hamstring injury sidelined him for the first three games, but in the three games since his return he is averaging 26 disposals and 541m gained, which is clearly No. 1 at the club, 160m more than any other Richmond defender.
The Giants tried tagger Matt deBoer on Sydney’s Jake Lloyd on Saturday night, and a similar shut-down role might be considered for Houli.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinson-gives-his-likes-and-dislikes-after-a-huge-round-6/news-story/b264078d4c06aad3493046b566ea30b5
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Lose man in defence is one thing, if Houli was tagged he might struggle as he gets most of his possessions out in the clear.
The up side is some one else would be free to do Houli's role, Stackman maybe.
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Now tell us Slobbo ...which Essendon player do think opposition sides should tag?
Yeah didn't think so.... :shh
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You can try to take Houli deep into your forward line, but the matchup & contest will attract Astbury, Grimes, Broad or Vlaustin who will fly against the smaller forward while Houli stays down & picks up the crumbs.
Nice try Blobbo, but you forget that the Richmond defence work as a unit who thrive on working hard for each other ...
But thanks for coughing up the footy .... cheers ... :santa
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From Robbo's "likes" column:
8. BACHAR HOULI
One day, a team will put the necessary time into the Minister of Transition.
Houli simply can’t be allowed to generate run from halfback and on Saturday night he made a mess of the Bombers.
In the first half, he did as he liked, running up 22 disposals, 20 intercept possessions and 420m gained. In the second half, Josh Begley was sent to quell him as a defensive half-forward, but Houli still had 15 and 396m gained.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-10/news-story/f101041decfda99acfd6ffdd2cf9ea7b
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I only heard it in the background but on Ch 7 news last night there was a snippet about us likely to offer Houli a one-year deal for 2020 and him being comfortable with whatever happens.
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I only heard it in the background but on Ch 7 news last night there was a snippet about us likely to offer Houli a one-year deal for 2020 and him being comfortable with whatever happens.
Nooooooooo!!
Time to move him on........ hopefully after winning his second premiership medal.
We have kids lining up for his roll/position that can actually defend.
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I only heard it in the background but on Ch 7 news last night there was a snippet about us likely to offer Houli a one-year deal for 2020 and him being comfortable with whatever happens.
Nooooooooo!!
Time to move him on........ hopefully after winning his second premiership medal.
We have kids lining up for his roll/position that can actually defend.
Who are these kids? Menadue, Markov, Egg? are there others that play off hb at vfl lvl that I’m forgetting? If not 2 of those haven’t proven to be any upgrade defensively and certainly not offensively while I guess we’ll see about egg this week and maybe beyond.
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I only heard it in the background but on Ch 7 news last night there was a snippet about us likely to offer Houli a one-year deal for 2020 and him being comfortable with whatever happens.
Nooooooooo!!
Time to move him on........ hopefully after winning his second premiership medal.
We have kids lining up for his roll/position that can actually defend.
Who are these kids? Menadue, Markov, Egg? are there others that play off hb at vfl lvl that I’m forgetting? If not 2 of those haven’t proven to be any upgrade defensively and certainly not offensively while I guess we’ll see about egg this week and maybe beyond.
I would like to see Stack and Short playing off halfback.
A backline of
Vlastuin Rance Grimes
Short Astbury Stack
But if we want Stack to play elsewhere I think Edwards has shown he could walk into the halfback roll.
And next in line for me is McIntosh.
Markov is probably next cab off the rank but if we want to prolong Cotch’s career, I think he could play off half back.
I think the halfback roll is well and truely cover when Houli eventually retires.
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I only heard it in the background but on Ch 7 news last night there was a snippet about us likely to offer Houli a one-year deal for 2020 and him being comfortable with whatever happens.
Nooooooooo!!
Time to move him on........ hopefully after winning his second premiership medal.
We have kids lining up for his roll/position that can actually defend.
Who are these kids? Menadue, Markov, Egg? are there others that play off hb at vfl lvl that I’m forgetting? If not 2 of those haven’t proven to be any upgrade defensively and certainly not offensively while I guess we’ll see about egg this week and maybe beyond.
I would like to see Stack and Short playing off halfback.
A backline of
Vlastuin Rance Grimes
Short Astbury Stack
But if we want Stack to play elsewhere I think Edwards has shown he could walk into the halfback roll.
And next in line for me is McIntosh.
Markov is probably next cab off the rank but if we want to prolong Cotch’s career, I think he could play off half back.
I think the halfback roll is well and truely cover when Houli eventually retires.
Your right I don’t think a half back flanker is too hard to replace but of the ones you mentioned:
Short - already plays in that position
Edwards - imo more beneficial to us as a half fwd flanker with bursts in the middle
McIntosh - barely provides drive off the wing let alone off half back
Cotch - remember when they tried to move dusty down back? Leave the guns where they belong.
Markov - is behind Menadue and neither have shown for any prolonged period that they can fill this role and they look to be running out of time.
Stack - Gun! Don’t think he provides as much drive as houli although that might just not be the role he’s given. In any case I think we’ll see him in the midfield sooner rather than later.
Point being that until someone shows that they can perform the role better than bachar I don’t see why you wouldn’t give him a 1 year deal (fitness permitting).
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Houli has done more than enough to earn another year on the list.
He doesn't have to play every game, could even be depth for all I care, but he certainly hasn't had a terrible year. In fact he's had a good year IMO, despite a couple of poor games...
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I only heard it in the background but on Ch 7 news last night there was a snippet about us likely to offer Houli a one-year deal for 2020 and him being comfortable with whatever happens.
Nooooooooo!!
Time to move him on........ hopefully after winning his second premiership medal.
We have kids lining up for his roll/position that can actually defend.
Who are these kids? Menadue, Markov, Egg? are there others that play off hb at vfl lvl that I’m forgetting? If not 2 of those haven’t proven to be any upgrade defensively and certainly not offensively while I guess we’ll see about egg this week and maybe beyond.
I would like to see Stack and Short playing off halfback.
A backline of
Vlastuin Rance Grimes
Short Astbury Stack
But if we want Stack to play elsewhere I think Edwards has shown he could walk into the halfback roll.
And next in line for me is McIntosh.
Markov is probably next cab off the rank but if we want to prolong Cotch’s career, I think he could play off half back.
I think the halfback roll is well and truely cover when Houli eventually retires.
Your right I don’t think a half back flanker is too hard to replace but of the ones you mentioned:
Short - already plays in that position
Edwards - imo more beneficial to us as a half fwd flanker with bursts in the middle
McIntosh - barely provides drive off the wing let alone off half back
Cotch - remember when they tried to move dusty down back? Leave the guns where they belong.
Markov - is behind Menadue and neither have shown for any prolonged period that they can fill this role and they look to be running out of time.
Stack - Gun! Don’t think he provides as much drive as houli although that might just not be the role he’s given. In any case I think we’ll see him in the midfield sooner rather than later.
Point being that until someone shows that they can perform the role better than bachar I don’t see why you wouldn’t give him a 1 year deal (fitness permitting).
I don’t agree with all of that but regardless Houli can not defend. He is a weak link in our backline and when we come up against good sides that have 6 decent forwards, he lets us down.
It is possible to have good rebound and be able to defend too.
And to be honest, his kicking is massively overrated IMO.
He cost us 2 goals in as many minutes late in the game last week. Just stupid mistakes that a senior player shouldn’t be making against an average side that had basically pulled up stumps.
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I only heard it in the background but on Ch 7 news last night there was a snippet about us likely to offer Houli a one-year deal for 2020 and him being comfortable with whatever happens.
Nooooooooo!!
Time to move him on........ hopefully after winning his second premiership medal.
We have kids lining up for his roll/position that can actually defend.
Who are these kids? Menadue, Markov, Egg? are there others that play off hb at vfl lvl that I’m forgetting? If not 2 of those haven’t proven to be any upgrade defensively and certainly not offensively while I guess we’ll see about egg this week and maybe beyond.
I would like to see Stack and Short playing off halfback.
A backline of
Vlastuin Rance Grimes
Short Astbury Stack
But if we want Stack to play elsewhere I think Edwards has shown he could walk into the halfback roll.
And next in line for me is McIntosh.
Markov is probably next cab off the rank but if we want to prolong Cotch’s career, I think he could play off half back.
I think the halfback roll is well and truely cover when Houli eventually retires.
Your right I don’t think a half back flanker is too hard to replace but of the ones you mentioned:
Short - already plays in that position
Edwards - imo more beneficial to us as a half fwd flanker with bursts in the middle
McIntosh - barely provides drive off the wing let alone off half back
Cotch - remember when they tried to move dusty down back? Leave the guns where they belong.
Markov - is behind Menadue and neither have shown for any prolonged period that they can fill this role and they look to be running out of time.
Stack - Gun! Don’t think he provides as much drive as houli although that might just not be the role he’s given. In any case I think we’ll see him in the midfield sooner rather than later.
Point being that until someone shows that they can perform the role better than bachar I don’t see why you wouldn’t give him a 1 year deal (fitness permitting).
I don’t agree with all of that but regardless Houli can not defend. He is a weak link in our backline and when we come up against good sides that have 6 decent forwards, he lets us down.
It is possible to have good rebound and be able to defend too.
And to be honest, his kicking is massively overrated IMO.
He cost us 2 goals in as many minutes late in the game last week. Just stupid mistakes that a senior player shouldn’t be making against an average side that had basically pulled up stumps.
Cant have it both ways. Houli may not defend but the exact same applies to Short. if both rebound and be able to defend is the criteria then neither should be getting a game.
Stack is a player who does both finally a small defender who will defend.we have found one and we need another possibly Pickett. Grimes plays well on smalls and we have Vlastuin a very good medium defender.To me the ony spots remaining are talls.
Still think the way fwd is finding a kpd who can play on the cox's and ben browns persevere with Balta at chb to eventually take Rance spot and when Rance is fit bring him in as the third tall defender who provides heaps of cover and rebound. A role he performs already.
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I reckon I have been pretty consistent over the years on players I don’t rate and pretty consistent why.
Beliis from almost his first game, Houli in the last 3 or 4 years and to a lesser extent Grigg.
The first 2 are as soft as I have ever seen at AFL level. Ever!
So I reckon if I see things I feel are soft I’ll say it and I do not see it with Short. Not even a little bit.
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I reckon I have been pretty consistent over the years on players I don’t rate and pretty consistent why.
Beliis from almost his first game, Houli in the last 3 or 4 years and to a lesser extent Grigg.
The first 2 are as soft as I have ever seen at AFL level. Ever!
So I reckon if I see things I feel are soft I’ll say it and I do not see it with Short. Not even a little bit.
Ellis poos me in a weird way that yes he’s soft. But then he goes back with the flight and takes good marks at times or at least spoils (like today)
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Houli again was one of the best for Richmond, in its 27-point victory over Greater Western Sydney at the MCG last Sunday, racking up a team-high 30 disposals, along with five inside-50s, eight marks and 647 metres gained.
It was the sixth time in his 13 games this season that Houli has had 30 disposals or more.
To underline the important run-and-carry Houli consistently provides the Tigers’ team with, he is ranked third competition-wide for total bounces.
He’s also ranked seventh for metres gained per game, ninth for effective disposals per game, and 10th for uncontested possessions per game.
Read more: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-15/houli-keeps-on-running
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He was allowed total free reign of the half back.
Leon Cameron admitted at quarter time they weren't going to try and negate him at all for the rest of the game, despite his impact.
I sincerely doubt he'll be allowed that kind of freedom going forward.
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Houli again was one of the best for Richmond, in its 27-point victory over Greater Western Sydney at the MCG last Sunday, racking up a team-high 30 disposals, along with five inside-50s, eight marks and 647 metres gained.
It was the sixth time in his 13 games this season that Houli has had 30 disposals or more.
To underline the important run-and-carry Houli consistently provides the Tigers’ team with, he is ranked third competition-wide for total bounces.
He’s also ranked seventh for metres gained per game, ninth for effective disposals per game, and 10th for uncontested possessions per game.
Read more: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-15/houli-keeps-on-running
No mention of his man, a first gamer, kicking a third of their entire score and getting in their best players??
He is a backman after all....
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Houli talking about his life, family, faith and footy.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/its-family-and-faith-first-footy-second-for-richmonds-australianmuslim-defender-bachar-houli/news-story/7b4e1ff85bc149288b8346233b1d89f4
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Houli plays his 200th against the Pies on Friday night :clapping.
Essendon (2007-10) 26
Richmond (2011-19*) 174*
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Total 200*
He's statistically having his best year by far averaging 28 disposals per game. He racked up another 28 yesterday against Port.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Bachar_Houli.html
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Houli plays his 200th against the Pies on Friday night :clapping.
Essendon (2007-10) 26
Richmond (2011-19*) 174*
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Total 200*
He's statistically having his best year by far averaging 28 disposals per game. He racked up another 28 yesterday against Port.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Bachar_Houli.html
Serious question
Do kick ins after a point is scored count to the kickers stats when they run out of the square?
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Yep.
That is literally why his stats are so high. Up to this point I thought I was the only person who had recognised it while people in the media keep writing about how good his year has been... :shh
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Blessings be upon the bearded one !
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You could, in fact, mount a case that Houli is playing the best football of his AFL career this season.
He is averaging averaging 27.9 disposals, 6.0 marks and 5.0 rebound-50s per game.
And, to underline the important run-and-carry Houli consistently provides Richmond’s team with, he is ranked second in the competition for bounces. He’s also ranked 10th for uncontested possessions per game, 12th for metres gained per game and 19th for disposals per game.
Six times in his 14 games this season, Houli has racked up 30 disposals or more, with an AFL career-high 38 touches against North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium in Round 11.
Read more: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-24/major-afl-milestone-for-houli
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The Kick-In King... :shh
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I mean, look at what the courageous Outsiders Leader has been saying.......:shh :shh
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He is 2nd on the comp for bounces because he runs 5 metres and 8 times out of 10 and bounces the thing
Meaningless stat IMO
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:shh
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Shaddap you pack of infidels, Bachar is my man, he is just smart enough to focus on what needs to be done and not get his magnificent beard all mussed up for no good reason, may a thousand virgin mobile phones await him in valhalla.
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2019-07-26/round-19-bachar-on-200th-game
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Well done Bachar :bow
And thanks for gifting him to us Bombers.
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Good game. Despite his knocks on defensive ability he really is important for our rebounding, and similar to Grigg I think he is highly rated internally as a contributor to our current cultural standing.
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Credit where credit is due- he was awesome last night.
I was really impressed.
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Despite his weaknesses, he would walk into every other team in the comp.
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Bachar not only had 32 possies but also 629m gained :o.
"Bachar Houli with 629 metres gained helped by his 21 kicks and two running bounces."
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/20/melb-v-rich#/summary
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Bachar Houli continued his fine form on Saturday night, finishing with 32 disposals, five rebound-50s, three inside-50s, seven marks, four tackles and 523 metres gained.
Houli, at 31 years and three months of age, and the oldest player on Richmond’s list, is averaging 28.3 disposals, 6.3 marks and 4.9 rebound-50s.
He is ranked second in the competition for bounces per game, sixth for uncontested possessions per game and seventh for metres gained per game.
“Maybe just the mentality of just wanting to enjoy every moment that I’ve got. I don’t know how long I’ve got left,” Houli said.
“I play amongst a great group, who are very well connected and look after me every time I run past.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-05/houli-a-golden-oldie
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Bachar Houli continued his fine form on Saturday night, finishing with 32 disposals, five rebound-50s, three inside-50s, seven marks, four tackles and 523 metres gained.
Houli, at 31 years and three months of age, and the oldest player on Richmond’s list, is averaging 28.3 disposals, 6.3 marks and 4.9 rebound-50s.
He is ranked second in the competition for bounces per game, sixth for uncontested possessions per game and seventh for metres gained per game.
“Maybe just the mentality of just wanting to enjoy every moment that I’ve got. I don’t know how long I’ve got left,” Houli said.
“I play amongst a great group, who are very well connected and look after me every time I run past.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-05/houli-a-golden-oldie
6th for uncontested possessions in the AFL and he is a backman. I’m not sure that is the stat you would want as a backman.
Put him on the wing and get rid of Bellis and see if he can do any damage there.
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BT go have a look at the leaders for uncontested possessions this season. It’s literally the whose who of half back flankers and wingman. It’s a massive part of a half back flankers role to provide outside run and rebound so their uncontested possession count is always going to be inflated.
The man is having a great season, think you’re being way too harsh on his thread.
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he hasnt moved on from game play 30 years ago unfortunately
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Houli is in career best form I think. Has never been a contested ball specialist. He provides rebound and is doing that incredibly well. He was recruited for this in the first place!
I think it's too much having him AND Short in the same backline. One of them needs to move up, or Houli needs to wind down. Elsewise our mid defenders are doing a good job on the smalls, Broad and Grimes especially.
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BT go have a look at the leaders for uncontested possessions this season. It’s literally the whose who of half back flankers and wingman. It’s a massive part of a half back flankers role to provide outside run and rebound so their uncontested possession count is always going to be inflated.
The man is having a great season, think you’re being way too harsh on his thread.
I reckon if you are going to use a stat for your argument you should probably put it up.
Who are the “whose who” of HBF and wingman?
And for the record, wingman should probably be at the top of the list, HBF not so much.
A combination of contested and uncontested possessions is probably more fitting of a HBF.
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Houli is in career best form I think. Has never been a contested ball specialist. He provides rebound and is doing that incredibly well. He was recruited for this in the first place!
I think it's too much having him AND Short in the same backline. One of them needs to move up, or Houli needs to wind down. Elsewise our mid defenders are doing a good job on the smalls, Broad and Grimes especially.
What I remember is Houli was recruited as a wingman/onballer, the HBF came later.
But I do agree we cannot beat the good teams in big finals with both Short and Houli in the same backline.
Over the past month, HFF from other sides have kicked goals against us (Frisch, Hill the first gamer from GWS and Port had a couple of HFF that kicked a few from memory Butters and someone else)
Our medium talls in Grimes, Broad and Vlastuin can only cover those guys so much.
I would move Stack back to HB and play Edwards there too. Both would give you a better contest and both can find the footy and give us rebound.
We need to make it harder for teams to score against us. IMO teams get easy goals against us.
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Ok how about lachie Whitfield all Australian half back flanker from last season ranked second.
Jake Lloyd probably all australian this year ranked third.
Rory Laird all Australian half back flanker/back pocket the past 2 years ranked 7th.
When you constantly bring up small forwards and the goals they kicked in a game and put that on houli you sound like all those people that would see a key forward kick a bag and put it down to Alex rance. Defences aren’t based around 1 on 1 match ups anymore, when a player kicks a bag it’s a failure of the entire defensive structure.
Edwards and Stack have played many matches in defence this year, why don’t you go back and look at who kicked the goals in those games or were all those houlis fault too?
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Ok how about lachie Whitfield all Australian half back flanker from last season ranked second.
Jake Lloyd probably all australian this year ranked third.
Rory Laird all Australian half back flanker/back pocket the past 2 years ranked 7th.
When you constantly bring up small forwards and the goals they kicked in a game and put that on houli you sound like all those people that would see a key forward kick a bag and put it down to Alex rance. Defences aren’t based around 1 on 1 match ups anymore, when a player kicks a bag it’s a failure of the entire defensive structure.
Edwards and Stack have played many matches in defence this year, why don’t you go back and look at who kicked the goals in those games or were all those houlis fault too?
Nailed it.
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Ok how about lachie Whitfield all Australian half back flanker from last season ranked second.
Jake Lloyd probably all australian this year ranked third.
Rory Laird all Australian half back flanker/back pocket the past 2 years ranked 7th.
When you constantly bring up small forwards and the goals they kicked in a game and put that on houli you sound like all those people that would see a key forward kick a bag and put it down to Alex rance. Defences aren’t based around 1 on 1 match ups anymore, when a player kicks a bag it’s a failure of the entire defensive structure.
Edwards and Stack have played many matches in defence this year, why don’t you go back and look at who kicked the goals in those games or were all those houlis fault too?
All 3 players you mention can also win contested ball unlike Houli.
And they can actually defend.
And the whole backline is to blame when a small forward kick goals on Houli is a cop out. Are you saying that the players are not accountable for an opponent? Ever? Or is it just when it suits?
I don’t see key forwards or even medium forwards kicking bags against us, Grimes, Vlastuin, Astbury and even Broad do a great job in defending first then get involved with running the footy out of our backline, it’s more the small forwards of late which would suggest Houli and Short are leaking goals.
Houli no doubt is an extremely hard worker and does some things well but if you think he doesn’t need to tighten up defencively, you have no idea.
Just keep reading that stat sheet but if you really want to learn something, maybe go to a game and actually watch Houli closely, and I don’t mean when we have the pill because you can do that from home watching the TV.
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You really do have selective memory, why don’t you look back at the games and see which forwards actually got a hold of us. But just to take a sample size of our recent losses:
2018 prelim final: de goey 4, Cox 3
Round 2 v Collingwood: De Goey 5
Round 3 v gws: Cameron 7, finlayson 5
Round 7 v wbd: Naughton 5
Round 11 v north: brown 5, wood 4
Round 12 v cats: Hawkins 4
Round 13 v crows: Jenkins 4, walker 3
As for this all those players I named winning contested ball unlike houli ::)
Whitfield: avging 28.5 disposals, 20.8 uncontested, 6.6 contested
Lloyd: avging 31.2 disposals, 20.5 uncontested, 4.9 contested
Laird: avging 25.7 disposals, 17.5 uncontested, 7.8 contested
Houli: avging 28.3 disposals, 19.7 uncontested, 5.2 contested
So you keep going to/watching games with your blinders on and I’ll keep doing the same but not judging the players before the ball gets bounced and then actually using stats to back up my argument.
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👍👍👍👍
Enough said really
Certainly reads well if Houli matches up with those players
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Houli is in career best form. His ninth 30+ disposal game for the season. Killed them with his run off HB.
34 disposals (21k, 13h, 10c, 23u, 82% eff.)
9 marks
1 clearance (1 centre)
6 inside F50s
3 rebound D50s
2 tackles
5 one%ers
3 clangers
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Anyone who doesn’t rate Houli is not looking at things objectively.
He is an offensive weapon.
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Big game player. :shh
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Enough said. Was massive today especially the last half
Kidding yourself BT
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His last quarter was exceptional
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What did BT say? :huh
EDIT: Oh you mean OER's BT not Seven's... :shh
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Big game player. :shh
Should be in the AA conversation
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What did BT say? :huh
EDIT: Oh you mean OER's BT not Seven's... :shh
Yep
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He needed to lift after a poor first quarter/half and my goodness did he ever. Attacked the ball and won critical meters in the last Q.
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Was excellent after a poor first quarter. :clapping
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That picked up, ran and carry at the end of the game was huge. Did a lot of good things all day.
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That picked up, ran and carry at the end of the game was huge. Did a lot of good things all day.
Bloody awesome that. Attacked the footy at full pace, took it clean and pumped it forward
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His beard flying in the wind...magnificent,
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His direct opponents kicked 5 on him yesterday.
I watched him really closely yesterday and not from the armchair in my lounge room.
But he had 30 again so all good....
Gets heaps of footy and nobody can deny that but the facts are small forwards are kicking goals against us. (6 again yesterday)
Will it take a small forward to kick a bag in a final and we lose for some that only watch him with ball in hand to see that.
Even on the telecast at the end of the first quarter showed him standing 5m off his direct opponent at a centre square ball up.
If you think Hardwick says “show your opponent no respect and just get the footy” you are wrong.
He is only doing half his job.
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His direct opponents kicked 5 on him yesterday.
I watched him really closely yesterday and not from the armchair in my lounge room.
But he had 30 again so all good....
Gets heaps of footy and nobody can deny that but the facts are small forwards are kicking goals against us. (6 again yesterday)
Will it take a small forward to kick a bag in a final and we lose for some that only watch him with ball in hand to see that.
Even on the telecast at the end of the first quarter showed him standing 5m off his direct opponent at a centre square ball up.
If you think Hardwick says “show your opponent no respect and just get the footy” you are wrong.
He is only doing half his job.
Thought Short was similar, seems to ball watch at times giving his direct opponent way too much latitude. Something that can be fixed at post game reviews but certainly needs tightening up from here on with the quality of teams we play.
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Seems like houli was responsible for all of Cripps, Ryan, Rioli and petruccelle. Only way he could have had 6 goals kicked on him...... :whistle
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Seems like houli was responsible for all of Cripps, Ryan, Rioli and petruccelle. Only way he could have had 6 goals kicked on him...... :whistle
Lol
Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story
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Seems like houli was responsible for all of Cripps, Ryan, Rioli and petruccelle. Only way he could have had 6 goals kicked on him...... :whistle
Read my post again.... I said 5 goals not 6.
Or do you have trouble reading?
Let me ask you something smart guy, how many goals do you think Houli had kicked on him?
I predict you won’t answer and BS on about team defence- let’s see if you are big enough to answer a simple question.... I won’t be holding my breath. :wallywink
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Seems like houli was responsible for all of Cripps, Ryan, Rioli and petruccelle. Only way he could have had 6 goals kicked on him...... :whistle
Read my post again.... I said 5 goals not 6.
Or do you have trouble reading?
Let me ask you something smart guy, how many goals do you think Houli had kicked on him?
I predict you won’t answer and BS on about team defence- let’s see if you are big enough to answer a simple question.... I won’t be holding my breath. :wallywink
It was bad enough when you just handpicked the small that kicked the most goals but now your doing the sum of all them and putting them down to houli more or less.
So there was 7 goals kicked by eagles small forwards. 1 of willie riolis goals was from a bs in the back by caddy. Liam Ryan’s goal was from a big mark taken over vlaus. Then petrucelles goal was a hitout to the back which he took cleanly and goaled from, definitely on poor midfield setup that one, not even sure houli was on the ground at the time but I’m sure if he was within 100m of the ball you would have blamed him. Then the last one is Cripps goal in the first. Bad turnover in the middle, Eagles inside 50, vlaus lets the ball get behind him to an open Kennedy who dishes to Cripps for the goal.
So how many were his fault, riolis goal in the first (although vlaus dropped a pretty straight forward mark which Rioli crumbled and goaled), Cripps 2 goals from the stoppage in the last.
So there you have it 2-3 max. Now is it ideal that he’s let his opponent kick that amount of goals on him? No, but if you actually came in and fairly judged the goals maybe we could have a discussion. But no week after week you predictably jump on this thread or the match day thread and over exaggerate things to fit your narrative. Seriously why arnt you ever doing this on shorts or bakers thread? How about vlaus, but my account he was capable for a similar amount of goals yesterday?
And yeah sure act like I’m the one who goes into hiding. Just go back to last weeks discussion, you came in a few times sprouted some factually incorrect statements which were proven false everytime and eventually had nothing else to say.....
And lastly you keep harping on about Dimmas instructions and role he gives to houli. If he were really responsible for so many goals week after week why does he keep getting picked? Is our premiership coach and match committee a bunch of idiots?
You really need to let this go.
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Their smalls weren't that good, had some lucky and some cheap ones.
Houli more than made amends in the second half. I was thrilled with his response. Needed to lift and he did. Performances and persistence like that win flags!
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Seems like houli was responsible for all of Cripps, Ryan, Rioli and petruccelle. Only way he could have had 6 goals kicked on him...... :whistle
Read my post again.... I said 5 goals not 6.
Or do you have trouble reading?
Let me ask you something smart guy, how many goals do you think Houli had kicked on him?
I predict you won’t answer and BS on about team defence- let’s see if you are big enough to answer a simple question.... I won’t be holding my breath. :wallywink
It was bad enough when you just handpicked the small that kicked the most goals but now your doing the sum of all them and putting them down to houli more or less.
So there was 7 goals kicked by eagles small forwards. 1 of willie riolis goals was from a bs in the back by caddy. Liam Ryan’s goal was from a big mark taken over vlaus. Then petrucelles goal was a hitout to the back which he took cleanly and goaled from, definitely on poor midfield setup that one, not even sure houli was on the ground at the time but I’m sure if he was within 100m of the ball you would have blamed him. Then the last one is Cripps goal in the first. Bad turnover in the middle, Eagles inside 50, vlaus lets the ball get behind him to an open Kennedy who dishes to Cripps for the goal.
So how many were his fault, riolis goal in the first (although vlaus dropped a pretty straight forward mark which Rioli crumbled and goaled), Cripps 2 goals from the stoppage in the last.
So there you have it 2-3 max. Now is it ideal that he’s let his opponent kick that amount of goals on him? No, but if you actually came in and fairly judged the goals maybe we could have a discussion. But no week after week you predictably jump on this thread or the match day thread and over exaggerate things to fit your narrative. Seriously why arnt you ever doing this on shorts or bakers thread? How about vlaus, but my account he was capable for a similar amount of goals yesterday?
And yeah sure act like I’m the one who goes into hiding. Just go back to last weeks discussion, you came in a few times sprouted some factually incorrect statements which were proven false everytime and eventually had nothing else to say.....
And lastly you keep harping on about Dimmas instructions and role he gives to houli. If he were really responsible for so many goals week after week why does he keep getting picked? Is our premiership coach and match committee a bunch of idiots?
You really need to let this go.
Well I was right- you did BS on about team defence/blaming others as predicted. Well done.
I’ll go through the replay this week and even though you cannot always tell from the replay who was on the goal kicker, I’ll give it ago. You can certainly tell when you are at the game.
It’s usually a dead give away when the defender goes and stands next to the goal kicker after a goal.
At the end of the day teammates all help defend each other’s opponents and none more than our backs, but you also need to concede if a teammate gives a away a free kick or fumbles or any other of your BS excuses, it’s still goes down as a goal against who was on them. ie Houli
I reckon that’s only fair.
You cannot just count the ones where the defender loses a one on one contest and kicks a goal.
I know there is probably stats done every week on who the goals were kicked on, does anyone know where I could find that stat?... that would end this debate pretty quickly.
Houli does do heaps right and I can see that and have said that numerous times in this thread and think he should be moved to a wing or even onball, but as a defender he is absolutely poo IMO.
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How did I bs about team defending, blaming others? I gave you 2-3 goals, one being debatable given that if vlas takes that mark like you’d expect him too then that goal never happens, in any case unless a defender is positioned goal side at that play don’t think there’s a defender in the game that was stopping Rioli there.
Your the one that stated he had 5 goals kicked on him. So where’s your accurate rebuttal of what happened with the petrucelle goal and Cripps first one? You’d need both of those to get you to the 5 goals. Where was short? Where was baker? How come every goal conceded is on houli?
And give me a break about whoever goes and stands next to the player when the ball is bounced in the middle. We generally play 1 spare but at the centre bounce they’ll be standing next to someone so what’s the go there?
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How did I bs about team defending, blaming others? I gave you 2-3 goals, one being debatable given that if vlas takes that mark like you’d expect him too then that goal never happens, in any case unless a defender is positioned goal side at that play don’t think there’s a defender in the game that was stopping Rioli there.
Your the one that stated he had 5 goals kicked on him. So where’s your accurate rebuttal of what happened with the petrucelle goal and Cripps first one? You’d need both of those to get you to the 5 goals. Where was short? Where was baker? How come every goal conceded is on houli?
And give me a break about whoever goes and stands next to the player when the ball is bounced in the middle. We generally play 1 spare but at the centre bounce they’ll be standing next to someone so what’s the go there?
Pretty sure I said I’ll go through the replay this week so I’ll give you some feedback then. But just so I’m clear, the examples you gave in your first post, are they goals that were kicked on Houli but were others fault? and then you said 2 or 3 others?
So are we adding the 2 together?
Again so I’m clear, how many goals do you think we’re kicked by Houli’s direct opponents?
And please keep it to just a number.
On your last paragraph, it’s 6,6,6 now so at centre bounces Houli has an opponent.
Are you now saying he is the spare? So no opponent?
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I’ll give ya 3 so watch the replay and try to find the other 2. But considering you opened with saying he had 5 goals kicked on him and you watch him closer than most should you really need to watch the replay?
I’m saying that using who is standing next to who when the ball is bounced after a goal is a ridiculous way of pointing out who was manning them up when the goal was kicked.
For example:
- A player may be playing loose in the backline but given the 666 has to be standing next to an opponent when a ball is bounced. That doesn’t mean he was manning him when the goal was kicked.
- A player could literally be sitting on the bench when a goal is kicked and then come onto the field for the bounce and stand next to the goalkicker.
You seem to be living in the past of how footy was played in the 80s. As much as you hate to hear it is very rare that defenders will match up 1 on 1 against opposition forwards, instead using a team system approach to beat them. Where I do agree with you is the 2 goals Cripps kicked in the last qtr were essentially from loose checking from stoppages.
But what you seem to be missing are a couple of fundamental elements of what make us successful:
1. 1on1 defending isn’t the only way to defend the opposition. Forcing turnover and getting intercept possession is key in today’s game and is essentially what we base our whole game around and what we do better than any team in the competition. Houli is ranked 3rd at the club for intercept possessions i.e directly winning the ball back from the opposition. If that’s not defending I don’t know what is.
2. Another key aspect of our game style is taking risks at stoppages and in general play to run forward of the play believing that their teammates will win the ball. This is essentially the Richmond surge im sure you hear the media talk about on a daily basis. This obviously comes with the risk that In the cases where the ball isn’t won, they face a tough task getting back into position.
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Definitely a better game from him. His attack on the football in the last two minutes of the game was critical.
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Well arguing about how many goals got kicked on a particular defender is just rediculas now days. The game has changed and 1 on 1 defence is as a rule not used. Calling it rubbish to mount the team defence argument is not reconsing the changes in the game and living in the past. I wouldnt be surprised if many goals we infact blamed on players up the ground and not the defenders at all.
Houli is an important part of the team and commenting on his defensive abilities without knowing exactly what he is being asked to do by the coaches just seems pointless. If someone can tell us exactly what he is being asked to do and point out wher he hasn't done that then we might really be able to comment.
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fair to say BT is not having a good period on OER.
To suggest some werent at the ground and were instead arm chair experts is quite funny. I was at the ground and from what i saw it was cripps who was his direct opponent. So what! I see W Rioli kick 2 and then played in a hand in 2 others. Who was his opponent? Who was on Mason Cox in that prelim?
let it go and watch the replay again. 5 goals. LMFAO
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fair to say BT is not having a good period on OER.
To suggest some werent at the ground and were instead arm chair experts is quite funny. I was at the ground and from what i saw it was cripps who was his direct opponent. So what! I see W Rioli kick 2 and then played in a hand in 2 others. Who was his opponent? Who was on Mason Cox in that prelim?
let it go and watch the replay again. 5 goals. LMFAO
Young “flip flop” wants to chime in...
Do you think Cripps was his direct opponent the entire day?
Some think I take a simplistic look at things but you take the cake there.
You might be better just leaving the footy talk to others and stick to the fluffy stuff you usually come up with or those pointless question you ask.
Or even better still, flip flop on players every second week. Bellis is probably your main one.
Do you rate him this week or not??
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fair to say BT is not having a good period on OER.
To suggest some werent at the ground and were instead arm chair experts is quite funny. I was at the ground and from what i saw it was cripps who was his direct opponent. So what! I see W Rioli kick 2 and then played in a hand in 2 others. Who was his opponent? Who was on Mason Cox in that prelim?
let it go and watch the replay again. 5 goals. LMFAO
Young “flip flop” wants to chime in...
Do you think Cripps was his direct opponent the entire day?
Some think I take a simplistic look at things but you take the cake there.
You might be better just leaving the footy talk to others and stick to the fluffy stuff you usually come up with or those pointless question you ask.
Or even better still, flip flop on players every second week. Bellis is probably your main one.
Do you rate him this week or not??
never hid away from my opinion of ellis and how that has changed. I wasnt alone. Nice attempt at a deflection to hide from your rants on this topic.
as stated in my previous post you havent got many friends here as you seem to be all over the place.
On cripps Did i say the entire day? I said "from what i saw" e.g one of cripps goals houili was not far behind.
Proceed as you please though and answer the questions posed ffs.
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Regarding Ellis - I think Hackson gives him credit when it is due and bags him when he deserves it
Something we should all be doing but some just find it too hard to give credit......:shh
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Houli offered one-year deal by Richmond ... finally
Sam McClure
The Age
21 Aug 2019
Richmond have finally offered Bachar Houli a new contract, after the premiership star had earlier expressed frustration as to how long the negotiations were taking.
It’s understood that Houli’s management is closing in on a one-year extension at Punt Road after receiving an official offer from the Tigers late on Tuesday afternoon.
Earlier in the day, Houli had told The Age he was questioning why he was yet to be offered a deal for 2020, given his rich vein of form.
The 31-year-old believes he’s playing the best football of his career.
While both parties are now close to finalising a one-year deal, the 200-gamer would have liked his future to have been secured earlier.
“Statistics will tell you I’m having the best year of my career and I do feel like I’m playing the best year of my career. I try to shy away from this, being a modest person,'' he said.
“But the reality is it feels good because I’m playing consistently and I’m part of a great culture.
“No contract at the moment which, I just, I’m still questioning why. But I’m confident enough something will happen in the near future.”
Coming to the end of his ninth season at Punt Road after making the move from Essendon, Houli has been a brilliant pick up for the Tigers.
He’s played 21 or more games in six of those seasons and is averaging 28 disposals in 2019.
“There was meant to be something there two weeks ago but it’s got to this stage where there still hasn’t been an offer,” Houli continued.
“Everyone wants certainty and direction in life, but I’m going to be very honest, I’m not overly stressed.
“I think that comes from one; being grateful for the opportunity and two having something to fall back on, away from football.”
Houli, who was speaking at the launch of his own NAB Mini Legend, can fall back on his foundation, which aims to engage young Muslim people to be positive community leaders through the vehicle of football.
The premiership star wants to put more time into the Bachar Houli Foundation once he does hang up the boots.
“I’m preparing myself, that day will come. Whether it’s this year or next year, I don’t think it will be this year, but in the years to come that I’m prepared for life beyond football.
“I’m extremely grateful being part of a great system in the AFL and a great club in Richmond, who has invested in me as a player and more importantly the stuff that I do off field.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/houli-offered-one-year-deal-by-richmond-finally-20190820-p52j2a.html
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Well deserved :clapping
Big Tone will be walking with an extra spring in his step today.
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Fully deserves his extension, has been playing great football.
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Has been good this season. Extension deserved
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Got no issue with an extension but for Bachar to sort of be complaining/questioning "what's taking so long?" Is a bit rich
Bachar, you are just on 30 closer to the end of your career than the beginning or prime. Club's priority has to be signing the younger long termers
No surprise in the timing IMHO
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Got no issue with an extension but for Bachar to sort of be complaining/questioning "what's taking so long?" Is a bit rich
Bachar, you are just on 30 closer to the end of your career than the beginning or prime. Club's priority has to be signing the younger long termers
No surprise in the timing IMHO
Burgoyne is 36.
Why is everyone assuming the end is so near for Bachar.
Will probably make AA squad this year and playing career best football.
And yet here some people are, suggesting he’s low priority. Working on a basis that he probably isn’t going anywhere is logical but I don’t think the club is in such a hurry to retire him as many posters on here are.
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Burgoyne is 36.
Why is everyone assuming the end is so near for Bachar.
Will probably make AA squad this year and playing career best football.
And yet here some people are, suggesting he’s low priority. Working on a basis that he probably isn’t going anywhere is logical but I don’t think the club is in such a hurry to retire him as many posters on here are.
Yep and Burgoyne is 36 and they get around to talking contracts about now.
I'm not suggesting Bachar should be retired, I'm just surprised he has spoken to the media about his "frustration" at the deal not yet being done yet. He did it again today, why?
It will get done and just think the club's focus has been signing up the younger guys first and moving onto the older blokes now. I reckon re-signing a Sydney Stack is more important than signing a Houli from a list management perspective
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Houli on Ch7 news tonight said he didn't know where his contract talks were at and that he just wanted to know and lock down what he is doing next year like most people do.
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Burgoyne is 36.
Why is everyone assuming the end is so near for Bachar.
Will probably make AA squad this year and playing career best football.
And yet here some people are, suggesting he’s low priority. Working on a basis that he probably isn’t going anywhere is logical but I don’t think the club is in such a hurry to retire him as many posters on here are.
Yep and Burgoyne is 36 and they get around to talking contracts about now.
I'm not suggesting Bachar should be retired, I'm just surprised he has spoken to the media about his "frustration" at the deal not yet being done yet. He did it again today, why?
It will get done and just think the club's focus has been signing up the younger guys first and moving onto the older blokes now. I reckon re-signing a Sydney Stack is more important than signing a Houli from a list management perspective
How dare he complain.
He owes us so much and is old.
You’re not related to Graeme Richmond are you?
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How dare he complain.
He owes us so much and is old.
You’re not related to Graeme Richmond are you?
:lol
No I am not and IMHO I actually don't think he has anything to "complain" about
But there are somethings that are not a good look played out in the media
Contract "discussions" are one ....
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Maybe someone should remind him to just focus on playing football and leave the contract negotiations with his agent. If he doesn’t know where his contract is up to, bast your agent, don’t blame the RFC.
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would have to agree with WP here.
its very odd you would hear a player mention that and especially to the barrot, blobbo types
good on him anyway
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How dare he complain.
He owes us so much and is old.
You’re not related to Graeme Richmond are you?
:lol
No I am not and IMHO I actually don't think he has anything to "complain" about
But there are somethings that are not a good look played out in the media
Contract "discussions" are one ....
All due respect WP, but there is nothing humble in your opinion whatsoever.
In fact quite arrogantly, you're suggesting that a fabulous footballer for RFC and a family man with two kids, has nothing to complain about? Imagine if your boss said that to you when your contract expired or you were asking for job security or a pay rise?
You are obviously unhappy that he played it out in the media which I half get. But he was asked a direct question, and Bachar is so straight, that he gave an honest answer. Fool is he!!
It's not as if he called a press conference to air his dirty linen.
And when you say he is past his peak, his stats would tell one otherwise.
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All due respect WP, but there is nothing humble in your opinion whatsoever.
In fact quite arrogantly, you're suggesting that a fabulous footballer for RFC and a family man with two kids, has nothing to complain about? Imagine if your boss said that to you when your contract expired or you were asking for job security or a pay rise?
You are obviously unhappy that he played it out in the media which I half get. But he was asked a direct question, and Bachar is so straight, that he gave an honest answer. Fool is he!!
It's not as if he called a press conference to air his dirty linen.
And when you say he is past his peak, his stats would tell one otherwise.
Hold on a minute, with respect where did I say he was past his peak? I never said that. I said that he is near to end of his career than the start. At 30 that's a fair call isn't it? Same applies to a number of other players, want me to name them?
Compared to players who are going to get flicked or are waiting for some sort of clarity, then IMO he hasn't got anything to complain about. He is going to be recontracted (rightly) that is a given. Others are not going to be that fortunate. And they are in limbo
You are correct I personally find it disappointing when contract stuff creates media noise just outside of finals.
Yep he was asked a question but now anytime he is doing media it keeps getting asked. Is this good for Bachar and the club? Wouldnt think so. Sometimes playing a straight bat rather than creating a media free for all is in everyone's best interests. And playing straight bat doesn't mean lying either
Bachar is a terrific guy, a gentleman truth be known and a tremendous player but I reckon he's got this wrong. It doesn't matter the player my view on this would be the same
As for how I would feel? Had more kicks in my working life than I care to remember. It is what it is.
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All due respect WP, but there is nothing humble in your opinion whatsoever.
In fact quite arrogantly, you're suggesting that a fabulous footballer for RFC and a family man with two kids, has nothing to complain about? Imagine if your boss said that to you when your contract expired or you were asking for job security or a pay rise?
You are obviously unhappy that he played it out in the media which I half get. But he was asked a direct question, and Bachar is so straight, that he gave an honest answer. Fool is he!!
It's not as if he called a press conference to air his dirty linen.
And when you say he is past his peak, his stats would tell one otherwise.
Hold on a minute, with respect where did I say he was past his peak? I never said that. I said that he is near to end of his career than the start. At 30 that's a fair call isn't it? Same applies to a number of other players, want me to name them?
Check your wording. You said passed his prime. Well if you’re playing great football, you’re not passed your prime, so you’d be wrong. You decline after you’ve peaked and Bachar is currently peaking
As for you having plenty of work set backs, the question was would you be happy for your partner or friends/supporters putting in print that you’ve got nothing to complain about. Little unsupportive to me but maybe I’m overly sensitive. Or a non Bachar basher
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Check your wording. You said passed his prime. Well if you’re playing great football, you’re not passed your prime, so you’d be wrong. You decline after you’ve peaked and Bachar is currently peaking
As for you having plenty of work set backs, the question was would you be happy for your partner or friends/supporters putting in print that you’ve got nothing to complain about. Little unsupportive to me but maybe I’m overly sensitive. Or a non Bachar basher
Checked my wording which was
Bachar, you are just on 30 closer to the end of your career than the beginning or prime. Club's priority has to be signing the younger long termers
Please tell me where I used the term "passed his prime"? I didn't. Every player who is near 30 is closer to the end of their career than the beginning and as stats show the years 25-28 are the prime years for footballers.
In your opinion he is peaking and that's fine, it's your opinion
I think he is playing very good footy but in my opinion his 2017 season reamins his best by a fair margin and is better than he is playing now
And please don't accuse me of being a Bachar basher. Yes I've been critical at times, like I am with all players but I
Always give reasons . But bash him for the sake of it, no I don't.
And as for your comment about my work situation and the kicks and support or lack of. Been there, didn't like but as I said it is what it is. Teaches you alot
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Check your wording. You said passed his prime. Well if you’re playing great football, you’re not passed your prime, so you’d be wrong. You decline after you’ve peaked and Bachar is currently peaking
As for you having plenty of work set backs, the question was would you be happy for your partner or friends/supporters putting in print that you’ve got nothing to complain about. Little unsupportive to me but maybe I’m overly sensitive. Or a non Bachar basher
Checked my wording which was
Bachar, you are just on 30 closer to the end of your career than the beginning or prime. Club's priority has to be signing the younger long termers
Please tell me where I used the term "passed his prime"? I didn't. Every player who is near 30 is closer to the end of their career than the beginning and as stats show the years 25-28 are the prime years for footballers.
In your opinion he is peaking and that's fine, it's your opinion
I think he is playing very good footy but in my opinion his 2017 season reamins his best by a fair margin and is better than he is playing now
And please don't accuse me of being a Bachar basher. Yes I've been critical at times, like I am with all players but I
Always give reasons . But bash him for the sake of it, no I don't.
And as for your comment about my work situation and the kicks and support or lack of. Been there, didn't like but as I said it is what it is. Teaches you alot
Sorry WP but what exactly do you mean then when you claim?:
Bachar, you are just on 30 closer to the end of your career than the beginning or prime
To me you are saying he's near the end of his career and past his prime. !0 out of 10 people would read it that way?
You then attempt to use statistics rather than form to base your argument that he should be passed his prime based on age.
I'm only getting stuck into you because you deny saying something by twisting its meaning. Read your words carefully again please.
IMHO he's playing his best football this year and as the man himself confirmed, statistics back this fact up.
Didn't mean to call you personally a Bachar basher. Just a very nitpicking poster
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Sorry WP but what exactly do you mean then when you claim?:
Bachar, you are just on 30 closer to the end of your career than the beginning or prime
To me you are saying he's near the end of his career and past his prime. !0 out of 10 people would read it that way?
You then attempt to use statistics rather than form to base your argument that he should be passed his prime based on age.
I'm only getting stuck into you because you deny saying something by twisting its meaning. Read your words carefully again please.
IMHO he's playing his best football this year and as the man himself confirmed, statistics back this fact up.
Didn't mean to call you personally a Bachar basher. Just a very nitpicking poster
Sorry but I don't need to read my words carefully again. I have explained what I mean but it seems you don't like or don't want to understand my point. I'm not asking you agree
You accuse me of twisting words. I'd argue the same thing
Did I say he is near the end of his career? No, I said closer to end and at 30 not really sure you can dispute that. Is he not more likely to have 2 maybe 3 years left and not 12 he has already played? So isn't that closer to the end than the beginning? Or are you suggesting he's going to pay until he 40? So by definition he is closer to the end than the beginning and his prime years IMV. Don't know how much clearer I can be.
Don't know how many times I have to say I've got no issue with the contract extension. But you seem to miss that bit
You view is he playing his best footy this year, my view is he isn't as my opinion is he was better in 2017.
You use statistics to back up your view as fact but it appears I'm not allowed the same courtesy.
Statistics show in footy that he majority of players are at their peak between 25-28. I have always agreed with that. Yes some players maintain the standard at 30 and pass it but the number who go on too long past that age is becoming mpre pronounced IMO.
So based
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At 30 years of age Bachar is closer to the end than the start of his career, that is obvious. But, even though he is in great form, when the decline starts for players over 30 it is usually rapid.
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D.A - 1.
W.P - 0.
WP, everyone knows you don’t argue with Don’t Argue! :rollin
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D.A - 1.
W.P - 0.
WP, everyone knows you don’t argue with Don’t Argue! :rollin
I'll pay that :thumbsup
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Some of Bachar's improvement this year has come on the back of a change if how statistics are recorded.
I believe that the kick out is now recorded as a possession to the kicker as is the metres gained.
So in the course of a match that would be about 5 more possessions and 250 metres gained.
That aside Bachar is still playing very good football this year.
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I’ll give ya 3 so watch the replay and try to find the other 2. But considering you opened with saying he had 5 goals kicked on him and you watch him closer than most should you really need to watch the replay?
I’m saying that using who is standing next to who when the ball is bounced after a goal is a ridiculous way of pointing out who was manning them up when the goal was kicked.
For example:
- A player may be playing loose in the backline but given the 666 has to be standing next to an opponent when a ball is bounced. That doesn’t mean he was manning him when the goal was kicked.
- A player could literally be sitting on the bench when a goal is kicked and then come onto the field for the bounce and stand next to the goalkicker.
You seem to be living in the past of how footy was played in the 80s. As much as you hate to hear it is very rare that defenders will match up 1 on 1 against opposition forwards, instead using a team system approach to beat them. Where I do agree with you is the 2 goals Cripps kicked in the last qtr were essentially from loose checking from stoppages.
But what you seem to be missing are a couple of fundamental elements of what make us successful:
1. 1on1 defending isn’t the only way to defend the opposition. Forcing turnover and getting intercept possession is key in today’s game and is essentially what we base our whole game around and what we do better than any team in the competition. Houli is ranked 3rd at the club for intercept possessions i.e directly winning the ball back from the opposition. If that’s not defending I don’t know what is.
2. Another key aspect of our game style is taking risks at stoppages and in general play to run forward of the play believing that their teammates will win the ball. This is essentially the Richmond surge im sure you hear the media talk about on a daily basis. This obviously comes with the risk that In the cases where the ball isn’t won, they face a tough task getting back into position.
Apologies for the delay- only had a chance this morning to rewatch the replay.
So this is what I can see from the replay
6:35 to go in the first
Houli trails Rioli to a marking contest and he kicks a goal
2:34 left in the first
Houli’s effort in the centre of the ground was atrocious- basically walked towards our backline after running forward of the ball, and Cripps kicks the goal
Not 100% sure it was Houli’s man but I remember at the ground thinking it was as he went and stood next to him at the next centre square ball up without any conversation with teammates potentially swapping opponents.
I even remember posting on here in the game thread for Houli to man up after that goal.
7:19 left in the third
Houli clearly on Cripps at a ball up and Cripps snaps a goal
9:17 left to go in the fourth
Houli clearly on Cripps at a ball up and Cripps snaps a goal again
Just showed him no respect- went towards the footy and let Cripps get a 3 meter gap
So I’ll say 3 definitely, 1 I’m 90% sure on and 1 more that I’m 50% sure on.
The reply just doesn’t show it clearly enough to be sure on the last two.
For me the point is if it’s 3, 4, or 5, it’s too many, especially against good teams.
Winning hides all sorts of short comings but I bet if we lose that game questions are asked.
We won by a goal so IMO we need to tighten up.
Anyway let’s hope today goes the way we all want it to go. :thumbsup
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Keeping the faith on and off the field
Sam McClure
The Age
25 Aug 2019
On the Friday of round one, the majority of Richmond and Carlton players would have been waking up battered and bruised after another exciting season-opener at the MCG.
New Tigers recruit Tom Lynch would have been reminiscing about his three-goal debut, while Patrick Cripps made the early running in the Brownlow Medal race.
But Bachar Houli was in tears.
That day, having collected 24 disposals and tearing his hamstring with five minutes left in the game the night before, Houli was landing in New Zealand, to meet with the families who had been affected by the Christchurch massacre, where a gunman killed 51 people a week earlier.
Houli was invited to New Zealand by rugby union star and local sports royalty Sonny Bill Williams, and the two visited and spent time with mothers, fathers, sons and daughters who had lost beloved family members, friends and community members, as well as victims who had survived the horrific ordeal.
"I had tears, but they were actually joyful tears," Houli told the Sunday Age, as he reflected on attending a funeral service in which 27 of those who had died were laid to rest.
"No one wants to see their family members pass away and leave this world but I come from a faith that we believe that we belong to God, and to God we shall return.
"The greatest thing that these families had in their mind is that there is no better way to leave this world than in a state of worship.
"These young men and women were in a state of worship at the mosque at the most blessed time of the week being a Friday.
"They were in the state of prayer … there is no better way to pass away, to be quite honest."
After the service, Houli and Williams went out for ice cream with some survivors and family members who had lost loved ones.
Houli began talking to a young man in his mid 20s. He soon became aware that he had lost his three-year-old brother, who had been praying next to him in one of the mosques attacked.
"According to his brother, this young child would always be dressed by his mum for Friday prayers and be put in specific clothing," Houli explained.
"But that day, he chose a specific gown and he wanted to wear it and it was white. White indicates purity and light, so it's like he knew that he was going."
Before the ice cream was finished, Houli was told another story, of a father and son who had driven to the mosque but had accidentally arrived early.
The father turned the car around and drove back home. Once he and his son got back in the car to return, his car radio relayed the information of the shooting.
"So there you go," Houli said, "his time wasn't up, whereas others, their time is up."
Houli spoke glowingly about the Tigers encouraging him to travel to Christchurch, despite his hamstring injury.
"I raised it to both [AFL chief executive] Gillon [McLachlan] and the club," Houli said.
"They were extremely supportive, they said, 'We are willing to do whatever you want and whatever it takes to support you because this is important'."
It was barely 24 hours before Houli was back home in Melbourne with his wife and two daughters.
He had offered support to victims of one of the most harrowing ordeals in recent global history, and by Sunday he was back at training.
"It was one of the most amazing experiences of my life," Houli said.
Houli's perspective is organic. The devout Muslim and keen fisherman finds solace in his faith and gratitude for the life he's been handed.
It's why you believe Houli when he said he wasn't "overly stressed" that he was yet to be given a contract extension by Richmond, despite his honest frustration.
It was later revealed by The Age that both parties are now working confidently towards a one-year deal to keep Houli at Punt Road in 2020.
If and when Houli signs on with Richmond for 2020, he'll be entering his 14th season at the highest level and he, by his own admission, believes he's playing the best football of his career.
Although never one to fish for compliments, Houli will literally drop a line whenever he can, getting out on his boat at least once a week to mentally unwind.
The luxury of having a decent boat isn't lost on Houli, who grew up fishing off the Altona pier with his older brother, or any area they could sneak into.
"There were no boundaries when it came to fishing, anywhere we could get to we would just fish," he reminisced as he told story after story of he and his brother jumping fences on to private jetties.
"The better fishing spots are the ones that are harder to get into. By the time you get caught by security, there was a bucket full of fish!
"Obviously I can't get away with that sort of stuff any more," Houli smiled.
He certainly can't. Not with 200 AFL games under his belt and a beard that's now got its own following. Even his NAB Mini Legend Jake found it tough to replicate the perfectly maintained facial hair.
On Sunday, it will be the Tigers who will be trying to maintain their winning run against the rampant Brisbane Lions.
Incredibly, the Lions will be going for their 10th win on the trot, while Richmond are one behind and will be aiming to make it nine from their last nine.
But as the 2017 premiers gear up for a charge into September, Houli has sent an ominous warning to the rest of the competition.
"It feels like we still haven't played our top footy, we haven't peaked yet."
"We had a better year last year than 2017, from the perspective of the season as a whole but the reality is, if you're not good enough on that final stage then there's no prizes for second or third best.
"We still viewed the season as a success. It does burn a little bit because we've tasted success and then it got taken away from us. We're hungry for success just like every other team."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/keeping-the-faith-on-and-off-the-field-20190824-p52kci.html
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Caro just mentioned that within 30 mins of Houli making his comments on the news, a contract offer was placed on his manager's desk.
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Tigers' Houli closing on new AFL contract
Anna Harrington
Canberra Times
30 Aug 2019
Richmond defender Bachar Houli says he's confident he will re-sign with the Tigers sooner rather than later.
Houli remains uncontracted for 2020 despite a stellar season that has seen him claim his first All Australian guernsey.
"Yeah, I think it's (a new contract) not too far. I'm sure the club's working with my management to get the deal done," Houli said on Friday.
"But hopefully something should be done pretty soon."
Houli earned his maiden All Australian selection off the back of a career-best season where has has averaged 28.4 disposals and 6.3 marks playing across half-back.
The 31-year-old wouldn't be drawn on whether his recent honour would affect his contract situation but said he was "humbled" by his selection alongside teammate Dylan Grimes.
"I'm extremely humbled by it, I'm sure Dylan is as well," he said.
"It's something that was ... (a) last second thing and it's truly an honour and it's something that I'll cherish probably later part of my career - I mean, it is the later part of my career - probably after football where you know, you kind of reflect on achievements etcetera.
"But, you know, the great thing is we've achieved the grand final (in 2017), which was very, very special ... definitely the highest achievement that someone can achieve and hopefully we can back that up in the near future as well."
The Tigers will head to Brisbane next week for their qualifying final at the Gabba, having spent their past seven games at the MCG.
Houli said Richmond would relish the opportunity to face the Lions for the second time in three weeks.
"I don't think there's much difference apart from the travel component of it that we'll prepare as normal as every game," he said.
"Apparently it's a very similar deck to the MCG in terms of size. That's what Dimma (Damien Hardwick) mentioned last week, so we've travelled pretty well along our journey - we'll take a lot of confidence out of that and prepare as normal.
"We've been in the same situation or the same place for a few years now. And you know, we're just excited for another opportunity and obviously another chance to play against a real, real quality team."
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6357751/tigers-houli-closing-on-new-afl-contract/
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BACHAR HOULI
The Tigers have lodged an offer with Houli, who was understandably miffed to have little security despite a year in which he has just been awarded All Australian status.
Most likely will only sign a one-year deal, but the likes of Kade Simpson have survived well into his playing career signing single-season deals.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trades-unplugged-superfooty-trade-experts-look-at-where-the-big-names-will-be-playing-next-season/news-story/05d5f3999bdd0c8fb69882704c019905
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Pffft, I suspect he knew he'd be playing on, contract ready or not.
Richo was on singles for a good five years or so...
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From this week's AFL Record:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDwaMivVAAEFFag?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/Foonge/status/1169852731248521216
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I want to know what sort of training program he’s on to have the biggest biceps in the club
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Intermittent fasting!
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Did anyone notice Houli's role in yesterday's match.
Not playing loose man but had a player to mark up and no kickouts.
It was his worst game for the season.
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What game were you watching worse game lol :banghead.
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I thought he was solid.
Happy to watch the replay and reassess knowing the result/without the extreme stress I suffer from live games haha
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What game were you watching worse game lol :banghead.
Georgy what did I post that was incorrect?
Was there another game this year that Houli performed worse than yesterday?
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What game were you watching worse game lol :banghead.
Georgy what did I post that was incorrect?
Was there another game this year that Houli performed worse than yesterday?
I do not think so
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Watched replay. He was fine IMO
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So you were happy with the amount of 50/50 contests he lost.
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I got time to watch the replay this afternoon and Houli’s game was pretty standard less the kick ins and the cheap around the back ones he gets.
Hence only getting 15 touches, not 30.
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Houli had a very average game, easily his worst for the year. He couldn't get the space he usually gets, they were onto that and nor could he run himself into the game.
But it has been a ripping year, best I can recall for the Tiges
Yes he gets the 'cheap ones out the back' but isn't getting the ball to the best kick in the immediate vicinity part of the design? Do you really want Broad munging it forward?
If they haven't got it yet the club needs to get his signature before the prelim, or the price will just keep going up.
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So you were happy with the amount of 50/50 contests he lost.
At least he gave 50/50 contests unlike some in the team. He remains a far better option than Short and Ellis despite his shortcomings.
Have always said we can only afford to play one of the three at any given time and for me the one is Houli.
It has remained a big concern that we also play Baker down back a fair bit as well while he has a real go he is diminutive and exacerbates a problem.
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I thought Baker was fine the last few weeks but ideally should be in the forward line for me.
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I thought Baker was fine the last few weeks but ideally should be in the forward line for me.
Tell you what though, he has some tenacity and balls in defence, makes up for a few of our softer players
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If they haven't got it yet the club needs to get his signature before the prelim, or the price will just keep going up.
The price won't be going up. He has an offer
The offer is the offer, won't be changing IMO
We have cap pressures, players need to understand that. If they want to remain part of something special then they sign.
Great club's have players who forgo more money to keep lists together
I know it sounds harsh but it is how it is.
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Houli had a very average game, easily his worst for the year. He couldn't get the space he usually gets, they were onto that and nor could he run himself into the game.
But it has been a ripping year, best I can recall for the Tiges
Yes he gets the 'cheap ones out the back' but isn't getting the ball to the best kick in the immediate vicinity part of the design? Do you really want Broad munging it forward?
If they haven't got it yet the club needs to get his signature before the prelim, or the price will just keep going up.
Your post makes no sense, Houli has a stinker of a game by his previous standards, when for the first time in his life he is asked to be a genuine defender.
No kick outs no cheap out the back receives just being responsible for a player and he struggled.
And after this you say his price is going up????????????????????
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Houli had a very average game, easily his worst for the year. He couldn't get the space he usually gets, they were onto that and nor could he run himself into the game.
But it has been a ripping year, best I can recall for the Tiges
Yes he gets the 'cheap ones out the back' but isn't getting the ball to the best kick in the immediate vicinity part of the design? Do you really want Broad munging it forward?
If they haven't got it yet the club needs to get his signature before the prelim, or the price will just keep going up.
Your post makes no sense, Houli has a stinker of a game by his previous standards, when for the first time in his life he is asked to be a genuine defender.
No kick outs no cheap out the back receives just being responsible for a player and he struggled.
And after this you say his price is going up????????????????????
Good post....
Would Houli be AA if he didn’t take the kick ins this year??
Does a Houli type backman that only averages 18 possessions a game become AA??
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Honestly Houli is the least of our issues people just don't understand his role his asked to play.
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I thought Baker was fine the last few weeks but ideally should be in the forward line for me.
Tell you what though, he has some tenacity and balls in defence, makes up for a few of our softer players
100% agree. I love the kid and am happy for him to be out there.
Big balls, sticky hands, has a real go. Not afraid to stand up for his mates either.
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Houli has been a terrific player for us. He kicks well. He is fit. He has another 2 years in him in my opinion.
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I thought we were done Houli bashing.
Surely he answered all his critics 30th September 2017.
A lot of opposition supporters wish Houli played at their club.
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It's official Bachar's re-signed for another year
Up on the RFC website
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It's official Bachar's re-signed for another year
Up on the RFC website
:clapping
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Excellent news
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RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli has capped a career-best season by inking a new contract at Punt Road for 2020.
Fresh off his maiden Virgin Australia AFL All Australian blazer, the 31-year-old will extend his AFL career into a 14th season.
Despite averaging a career-high 27.7 disposals this season, the former Bomber was forced to wait until recent weeks to receive a contract offer.
He has also provided a significant contribution off-field after launching the Bachar Houli Foundation, focusing on football and leadership programs for Islamic youth.
"I'm very happy to continue my football career at Richmond, and to launch the Foundation that will support Islamic youth to develop their leadership and cultural connection," Houli said.
Bachar Houli with Patrick Dangerfield amd Jeremy Cameron at the Virgin Australia AFL All Australian awards
"I'm really proud of the work we've achieved so far with all of our programs, and I'm incredibly excited to take our work to the next level with the establishment of the Foundation with the Richmond Football Club."
“Bachar is an outstanding person and player, and we love having him at our football club,” Richmond List Manager, Blair Hartley said.
“He’s having an exceptional season, and we’re looking forward to him continuing to have an impact next year both on and off the field.”
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-13/new-deal-for-redhot-tiger-after-careerbest-season
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Houli interviewed on Ch 7 news [go to 0.20 min mark]: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1172433030847197184
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IMO Houli's game last night was right up there with his performance in the 2017 GF. Brilliant game and B.O.G. for mine.
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Best game for Bashar this year as poor as he was last week was as great as he was this week.
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Was enormous
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Bachar Houli – 9
Very close to Tom Lynch for best on ground honours with 32 disposals and 11 marks. Was outstanding in defence with his run and drive to spark the Tigers into action when they were under the pump in the first half.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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BT what did you think mate? Not having a go at you but can you see what we are talking about?
When it's his time he stood up and went just like the GF
He has his faults for sure, but stuff he was massive.
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Houli makes mark in Giants’ turf.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/national-treasure-houli-makes-mark-in-giants-turf/news-story/e8ed47e22644aacbace1fe9f53c6db4f
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Bachar Houli – 8
Capped a magnificent season with a great Grand Final showing. When the heat was on early, Houli was calm and as the match opened up, his run from half-back became more important. Had a team-high 26 touches and mixed in seven marks and six tackles.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-28/player-ratings-richmond
BACHAR HOULI 9
Essendon let him get to Richmond for free at the end of 2010. GWS let him roam free across half-back for much of the game.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-grand-final-player-ratings-dustin-martin-and-bachar-houli-shine-toby-green-phil-davis-flop/news-story/3b13f40fe020027c0e71ae275f356ff2
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Class and class how good is he close to our best performer in every final we have played in Dimma's era.
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Bit quiet this thread :lol
Such a big time player this guy is couldn't be happier for the guy
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This guy is a big game freak.
I'm glad he plays with us. :clapping
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Yep, Big Tone staying well clear :lol
Yet he’s over at the Castagna thread happily supporting mediocrity :lol :lol
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Rebounding as great as ever yesterday but his tackling was a real highlight.
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Another great performance from Houli
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Credit where credit is due.
Houli was very good yesterday.
I have never said I don’t like Houli or that he is no good, I just don’t think he is a good defender when he actually has to defend an opponent.
I’m hoping he could move to a wing now Bellis is gone.
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I love Bachar . How lucky we are he plays for us.
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He’s a different player come finals that’s for sure. Loved his finals series. 2xpremiership player well deserved
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Big game player. Stood up when it counts the most. Was outstanding.
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Now, once and for all I wish people would give the magnificent bearded one the respect he deserves, he is awesome, just calmly goes about it and is all class on and off the field.
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Personally I was inclined to give him the NSM again this year
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Life-sized Houli hologram to welcome visitors at Australian Sports Museum
By Jourdan Canil
afl.com.au
16 January 2020 6:30pm
A LIFE-SIZED 3D hologram of dual-premiership defender Bachar Houli will take centre stage at the re-opening of the Australian Sports Museum, following a $17 million upgrade.
The All-Australian Tiger takes visitors through a range of his experiences at AFL level, starting with a candid chat about what it was like to get drafted, all the way through to Richmond's drought-breaking 2017 premiership flag.
The new displays will include touch screens, climbable objects and sporting challenges as fans learn about Australian football, cricket, the Olympics and much more.
"Whether you are playing at the grassroots or witnessing the greats, sport is all about passion, excitement and energy, and that is exactly what we are delivering with the new Australian Sports Museum," MCC president Michael Happell said.
"Through new technology and creative, ever-changing displays, visitors will be able to experience, not just observe, the stories and moments that make up Australia's sporting identity."
A range of special offers and activities will be available on the official opening day.
Tickets for the Australian Sports Museum will be available from 9am Friday January 17 via nsm.org.au.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/366252/life-sized-houli-hologram-to-welcome-visitors-at-australian-sports-museum
... there is little doubt Richmond wouldn't mind two Houlis in the backline on the MCG in 2020.
They will go as close as possible, with the renamed and rebuilt Australian Sports Museum opening in late February and set to feature a life-sized hologram of the All-Australian half back who helped the Tigers to their second flag this season.
Modest as ever, Houli stood in front of the show for the cameras, both embarrassed and proud that he is being depicted in such an iconic place as the MCG, sweating as he watched his image tell the tale of a young Muslim boy forging a path from humble beginnings to the top of the AFL.
Houli mentioned how his older brother Khaled helped him convince his father Malek to let him play, and how the family all eventually became his greatest supporters and inspiration.
He became emotional as he spoke of family, his gratitude as clear as his ambition.
"What is special is being part of a football club that accepts me, accepts my family, accepts my faith and accepts me as a complete person. That is something I am very proud of," Houli said.
He hopes his presence at the museum, even as a hologram, will inspire people who may relate to his circumstances and also broaden the understanding of Muslim people in the community.
It's why he was prepared to stand for five hours in the unfamiliar role, reading his lines and acting natural in the most unnatural of environments.
And it's why he agreed to become the hologram despite his initial scepticism.
"I still question 'why me?' I guess that is just my nature," Houli said.
"I am extremely humbled."
The National Sports Museum, home of Australia’s largest collection of sporting memorabilia, will be renamed the Australian Sports Museum when it reopens on Saturday February 29, following a $17 million upgrade.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/houli-praying-rance-will-find-fulfilment-and-return-to-richmond-20200116-p53s44.html
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Houli v Hurn: Who’s the AFL’s best rebound defender?
Jon Anderson
Herald Sun
8 March 2020
BACHAR HOULI (Richmond)
The player that the Bombers didn’t rate has become as good as any in such a vital part of the ground.
SuperCoach price: $571,600 2019 SC average: 106
Champion Data says: Houli was the only general defender to rate elite for disposals, metres gained and intercept possessions last season.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/2020-afl-dream-team-whos-the-best-rebound-defender-in-the-afl/news-story/a5e7af818d0b11dc5a8a1d0ddbfe62d6
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Houli to miss 3 weeks.
source: Mark Stevens Ch7.
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Houli interview on Ch 7 news after the ad break.
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For the first time since he was drafted, the AFL shutdown has given devout Muslim Bachar Houli the chance to practice Ramadan with his young family. But the month of fasting hasn't hampered his gruelling training regime as he prepares for footy’s restart. @SeanSowerby7 #7NEWS
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1258319478317707264
* One blessing during this lockdown/season break is more time with his girls.
* During the break and it being Ramadan, he wakes at 4am, has breakfast and then fasts for 13 hours during the day. He runs 11km a day without a drink. His training partner is ex-saint Ahmed Saad
* Ch 7 showed Houli's game output rating rises during Ramadan:
Season During
Avg. Ramadan
2017 91.6 119.5
2018 Injured
2019 102.3 127.75
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Happy 32nd birthday :birthday.
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How many yrs did we give him 1 or 2
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Went thru a fair bit of this thread and i have to say i agree with BT on this this bloke.
What i found interesting was when i asked myself, did we miss him when he was out injured?
In all honesty i cant say we did.His role can be performed just as well by others and was at times.
How good a gig would it be getting half your possesions from kick ins and cheapies out the back and hardly ever expected to go and win a hard ball while your teammates constantly do the defending for you and get it the pill out to you.
I find it laughable that people value Houlis game in two G/F romps as highly as Martins game When Martin was the main reason for those games being romps in the first place.Houli basically ran around by himself in both G/F,s sort of tells ya the thinking of the opposition.
With out a doubt he had good games but for the most part he is purely an offensive player with poor defensive attributes.Not a lot has changed since his first game with Eseendon in this regard imo.
I will say once again though, I prefer Houli in the role over Short or the diminutive Baker playing down back and prior to them Brandon Squib Ellis.For me there is only room for one of them in the back half and if i have to pick one then its Houli.
Preferably id like to see someone like Sydney Stack down back in his place as i think he will give us the offensive side that Houli does but will also be a better defensive propisition.
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How many yrs did we give him 1 or 2
One.
Bachar Houli has re-signed for another year (until end of 2020).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-09-12/houli-resigns
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Tigers likely to be without All-Aus star in opener
May 28, 2020 6:03pm
Max Laughton
FOX SPORTS
Richmond is set to be without All-Australian defender Bachar Houli for its season restart blockbuster against Collingwood.
The dual premiership player is very unlikely to feature in Damien Hardwick’s Round 2 side in two weeks’ time, having failed to train fully at Punt Road today.
Houli missed Round 1’s win over Carlton with a calf injury and after re-injuring it during the break between that game and the AFL’s return to training, is still limited.
“He’s got a calf complaint at the moment. He trained in the morning before the cameras were allowed inside - he did some running, but not a whole lot,” Fox Sports News reporter Drew Jones said on AFL Tonight.
“I spoke to Richmond in the last half an hour or so and they’ve confirmed it’s very unlikely Bachar will play in Round 2. He missed Round 1 with a calf and had a reoccurrence during the stand-down period.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-bachar-houli-injury-richmond-injury-news-noah-cumberland-acl-injury-list-tigers-team-round-2-vs-collingwood/news-story/39c4a6cd55c1b2773ceb4f4cefc4c500
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How many yrs did we give him 1 or 2
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Went thru a fair bit of this thread and i have to say i agree with BT on this this bloke.
What i found interesting was when i asked myself, did we miss him when he was out injured?
In all honesty i cant say we did.His role can be performed just as well by others and was at times.
How good a gig would it be getting half your possesions from kick ins and cheapies out the back and hardly ever expected to go and win a hard ball while your teammates constantly do the defending for you and get it the pill out to you.
I find it laughable that people value Houlis game in two G/F romps as highly as Martins game When Martin was the main reason for those games being romps in the first place.Houli basically ran around by himself in both G/F,s sort of tells ya the thinking of the opposition.
With out a doubt he had good games but for the most part he is purely an offensive player with poor defensive attributes.Not a lot has changed since his first game with Eseendon in this regard imo.
I will say once again though, I prefer Houli in the role over Short or the diminutive Baker playing down back and prior to them Brandon Squib Ellis.For me there is only room for one of them in the back half and if i have to pick one then its Houli.
Preferably id like to see someone like Sydney Stack down back in his place as i think he will give us the offensive side that Houli does but will also be a better defensive propisition.
Yeah right cause Dusty is such a defensive beast
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Dual Tigers premiership veteran Bachar Houli ramped up his running and returned to kicking today, as he fights to overcome a calf injury in time to take on the Pies. #7AFL
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1267378533430521861
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How many yrs did we give him 1 or 2
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Went thru a fair bit of this thread and i have to say i agree with BT on this this bloke.
What i found interesting was when i asked myself, did we miss him when he was out injured?
In all honesty i cant say we did.His role can be performed just as well by others and was at times.
How good a gig would it be getting half your possesions from kick ins and cheapies out the back and hardly ever expected to go and win a hard ball while your teammates constantly do the defending for you and get it the pill out to you.
I find it laughable that people value Houlis game in two G/F romps as highly as Martins game When Martin was the main reason for those games being romps in the first place.Houli basically ran around by himself in both G/F,s sort of tells ya the thinking of the opposition.
With out a doubt he had good games but for the most part he is purely an offensive player with poor defensive attributes.Not a lot has changed since his first game with Eseendon in this regard imo.
I will say once again though, I prefer Houli in the role over Short or the diminutive Baker playing down back and prior to them Brandon Squib Ellis.For me there is only room for one of them in the back half and if i have to pick one then its Houli.
Preferably id like to see someone like Sydney Stack down back in his place as i think he will give us the offensive side that Houli does but will also be a better defensive propisition.
Yeah right cause Dusty is such a defensive beast
lol you cant work the difference out. Dusty goes and gets it and always puts his head over it he doesnt need team mates to have an effect. no one said he is great defensively but most of the time hes the one being hunted unlike squib a lot Houli.
We would struggle replacing Martin but any number of players could perform Houlis role probably including you.
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Lol
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Bachar did not miss a beat last Thursday night, finishing the game with a team-high 26 disposals, equal team-high eight marks, three tackles, a game-high nine intercepts and 343 metres gained.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/705831/houli-s-seamless-return
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I thought he missed plenty of beats in the first half but got better in the second
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Bachar Houli reveals his mother is battling COVID in ICU.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-star-bachar-houli-reveals-his-mother-is-in-icu-battling-covid-19-c-1162758
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Thoughts are with Bachar and his family
Have said it many times, this virus doesn't discrimimate, it is vicious and when it takes hold it is so very nasty
People need to follow the rules
It is not hard
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think we all agree
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/742722/richmond-s-thoughts-with-houli-family
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:thumbsup
yep all the best to his mother. Hope she pulls through
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From Peter Ryan Twitter (@petrysn)
Damien Hardwick on the health of Bachar Houli's mother: "I think his mum is doing better from the news that we got today, which is incredible, and we just hope she continues to be on the mend."
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Great news ! Hope she’s bouncing back
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Two-time premiership Tiger targets post-quarantine return
Richmond star Bachar Houli has travelled to Queensland and is eyeing a return to the field
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
3 August 2020
RICHMOND defender Bachar Houli is targeting a return to the Tigers' backline for their round 12 clash with Gold Coast after arriving to quarantine in Queensland.
Houli has not played since round five after choosing to stay in Victoria instead of heading away to Richmond's hub due to the impending birth of his third child.
He was among five Richmond players to jet out of Victoria on Thursday and will complete 14 days of quarantine before they can rejoin the full group.
The Tigers are fixtured to meet the Suns on Monday, August 17 at the Gabba and Houli, who has brought his young family to Queensland, is hoping for a recall for the clash.
"I'm not going to lie and tell you I haven't been looking at the fixture," Houli told AFL.com.au.
"I'll always put my hand up provided my body's right and then it's all up to 'Dimma' (coach Damien Hardwick) and the coaches to make the decision if they need me in the team."
The two-time premiership player endured calf issues at the start of the season and again during the shutdown period, but he said his time spent training at Punt Road away from the main group of Tigers has him ready for the rigours of the AFL.
"The body's great. I've pretty much trained as if I'm playing and that's been the great thing about having five or six other boys stay back at help me train as well," he said.
"When I'm called up to play, whenever that is, I'm ready to play and I won't need two or three weeks to gain that physicality and getting used to games.
"I'll put my hand up, providing the body continues to hold up, but I feel fresh and I feel really good, and I honestly can't wait to get back playing games."
The 2019 Virgin Australia All Australian revealed last month his mother was in intensive care in Melbourne with COVID-19.
The 32-year-old had planned to rejoin Richmond with the AFL's group of staff and players more than two weeks ago but postponed the move as his mother underwent heavy treatment.
He said he had made the trip to the Gold Coast with his family's blessing and that his mother's health had improved.
"She's doing much better now which is good. For me it wasn't simply just me making the decision to come up here. I come from an extended family and a family that we depend and rely on each other," Houli said.
"I spoke to my oldest brother, who's a surgeon, and he knew all the pros and cons and he said 'There's nothing you can do here, the reality if there's nothing you can do here, we won't be able to see Mum for a little bit and there's seven of us still here so there's enough support'.
"Then I went to Dad and he didn't let me finish the sentence, he said 'Go and follow your dream because you can't do as much here'.
"It was a family decision and thankfully it's going well, mum's pretty much out of ICU now but her recovery period will be extended."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/480314/two-time-premiership-tiger-targets-post-quarantine-return
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After two weeks in quarantine, Bachar Houli was reunited with the rest of the group at training today.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1293753907949133826
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Could be alittle wayward in his return game so I’m not expecting his normally high kicking efficiency.
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‘The Richmond Journey” on FB saying Houli won’t play tomorrow night?...
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Hardwick also confirmed today. Stupid.
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Can only imagine he wasn’t very slick at training probably fumbly and kicking was way off. Possible couldn’t keep up with the others. Who knows
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Hardwick also confirmed today. Stupid.
Stupid?
Is there any real need to rush him back into the side consider the footy he has missed?
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Hardwick also confirmed today. Stupid.
He hasn't played for 7 weeks wasn't in great form before that and had delayed start due to a calf complaint.
Actually smart to be cautious
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As above
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Houli on SEN said he really missed footy when he was away from the hub. He added that while he is 32 he feels he still has more to offer.
So it sounds like he wants to go on next year.
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Houli on SEN said he really missed footy when he was away from the hub. He added that while he is 32 he feels he still has more to offer.
So it sounds like he wants to go on next year.
Was shaky at the start of the year but has come back strongly.
I don’t think he’s the type of player who will play on when he knows his body or form isn’t up to it. Has earned the right to make the call himself I reckon.
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Bachar Houli
State of play: Richmond’s only concern around Bachar Houli would be whether the 32-year-old wants to go around for another season – especially if he tasted premiership success for the third time in his career. The rebounding defender has been one of the first picked in Damien Hardwick’s team over the last five years and proven to be a durable player at Richmond, with an absence in 2020 coming due to the birth of his son. It’d appear likely he will ink a one-year deal over coming months.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-afl-trades-afl-free-agency-list-of-afl-free-agents-whispers-afl-trade-news-jeremy-cameron-brad-crouch/news-story/1bf9667ad361ac7d73768530449a5081
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Give him a year on less money.
Played well since return.
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'I'm sure my manager will take care of that. I'm happy at Richmond. My mind is focused on nowhere else'.
Audio: https://www.triplem.com.au/story/bachar-houli-addresses-his-future-at-richmond-167313
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Loves the club family all involved has the foundation great clubman.
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Haha FO Essendrug
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Caro said Houli is too connected to Richmond.
Even Eddie said Houli would be mad to leave Richmond and join Essendon.
Lloyd said he wouldn't like it if Essendon played a 32 year old Houli ahead of a 21-22 year old.
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Caro said Houli is too connected to Richmond.
Even Eddie said Houli would be made to leave Richmond and join Essendon.
Lloyd said he wouldn't like it if Essendon played a 32 year old Houli ahead of a 21-22 year old.
You mean mad instead of made dont you
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Caro said Houli is too connected to Richmond.
Even Eddie said Houli would be made to leave Richmond and join Essendon.
Lloyd said he wouldn't like it if Essendon played a 32 year old Houli ahead of a 21-22 year old.
You mean mad instead of made dont you
LOL bloody typo. Yes it should be "mad".
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Veteran journalist Caroline Wilson pointed out that Houli was heavily ingrained in the Tigers’ fabric, with the Bachar Houli Foundation branded in the club’s yellow and black colours.
Lloyd said it would be a “very strange decision” by Essendon to bring back Houli, who played 26 games in four seasons with the Bombers at the start of his AFL career, while McGuire urged Houli to remain with the Tigers.
“It would be total madness for Bachar Houli to leave Richmond,” McGuire told Footy Classified.
“He is such an institution there, he’s so loved. What Richmond have been able to do with the Muslim community and his leadership roles – he’s going nowhere, I would’ve thought.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-joe-daniher-brisbane-lions-tim-watson-says-definitely-going-bachar-houli-essendon/news-story/193d299262641312901641a8cdd34522
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Essendon is keen to poach Bachar Houli from Richmond, 10 years after the defender left the Bombers, but Tigers star Dion Prestia is hopeful his mate will stay at Punt Rd.
“I don’t think Bachar is going too far. Obviously, he has the Bachar Houli Academy which is linked to Punt Road and I can’t see him leaving,” Prestia told the Herald Sun. “I am not too worried about that.
“Bachar is a great Richmond person and one of the nicest people you would ever meet. He will be around here and finish up with Richmond.”
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trades-rumour-about-gws-giants-star-flatly-denied/news-story/e0a04f2314623d25a2e02a8aafb4ccb9
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Let him go. His crappy tap on cost us momentum at the end there. Stick to what you know. Hand balling players into pressure and nice high kicks
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Bachar Houli
Got a good chunk of the footy but wasn’t as penetrating as he is at his best. Just the one score involvement too, which he’d want to lift given his usual output.
Rating: 7
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
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Bachar Houli
Got a good chunk of the footy but wasn’t as penetrating as he is at his best. Just the one score involvement too, which he’d want to lift given his usual output.
Rating: 7
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
Did the Fox journalist watch the game?
Houli was 5 at best. Hopefuly Bashar will be stung by last nights performance and put in a blinder next week.
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I thought Bachar was poor last night would have given him a 4 and that's probably being a tad generous
I'd drop him based on last night....There were a couple of moments when he need to pick up the ball and kick it rather than tapping it a long the ground 2 metres.
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I'd drop him too.
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Bachar Houli
If there’s a player you want with ball in hand around the middle of the ground, it’s Houli, given his ability to spot targets inside 50 with ease. The defender hit up a number of Tigers players on the lead, having more disposals than any other player at Metricon Stadium.
Rating: 9
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-st-kilda-second-semi-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/afdeaa6b7f13cced41d21c91e03b900e)
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Is that score out of 100? :propeller
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Houli's game last night:
32 disposals (16k, 16h, 8c, 25u, 75% eff.)
5 marks
2 tackles
3 clearances
2 centre clearances
6 intercepts
5 inside 50s
454 meters gained
6 score involvements
1 goal assist
2 free for
1 free against
81% time on the ground
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I must admit I was unhappy with some of his disposals last night in particular his handballing under pressure to another under pressure. Sometimes he just handballs to avoid contact or a tackle.
Otherwise a very solid game.
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Some bad fumbles (it looked slippery...).
Elsewise solid.
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Why was it only our players that seemed to slip over? Houli was rubbish. :shh
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Houli ran hard last night to create overlap and space. Probably harder than he has all year. Some of his disposal was ordinary and he doesn’t step up the the physical contest but we have a lot of players who refuse to take a tackle to avoid a turnover in a critical position. It’s the main reason we give goals away in the last 2 weeks.
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Houli's game last night:
32 disposals (16k, 16h, 8c, 25u, 75% eff.)
5 marks
2 tackles
3 clearances
2 centre clearances
6 intercepts
5 inside 50s
454 meters gained
6 score involvements
1 goal assist
2 free for
1 free against
81% time on the ground
7 turnovers too. A few were goal assists for the saints.
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That passage where he got a handball receive bounced the ball poorly then went to ground looked really bad
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Houli's stats per game in finals 2017-2020:
Disposals: 23.4
Marks: 5.7
Tackles: 3.5
Inside 50s: 4.6
Source: Sunday Footy Show.
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HOULI HOPEFUL OF TIGERS EXTENSION
Richmond defender Bachar Houli has said that, as long as his current club offers him a new contract, “I don’t think I’ll be playing anywhere else”.
The 32-year-old signed a one-year contract extension at the end of 2019, but his future beyond 2020 remains unclear.
Last month, there were reports Houli’s former club Essendon were interested in luring him back to the club, where he played 26 games but struggled for consistent opportunity.
Speaking on ABC Grandstand, the two-time premiership player indicated the ball was in Richmond’s court.
“For me I’m a Tiger. I love being at this football club,” he said.
“Providing they offer me a contract I don’t think I’ll be playing anywhere else.”
“I feel like I’ve established so much more than football to be able to lead the team. For me, hopefully I’m a Tiger next year.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-whispers-2020-trade-news-rumours-out-of-contract-players-free-agents-geelong-jeremy-cameron-shaun-higgins-richmond-bachar-houli-essendon-salary-cap-space/news-story/c18aaa735716b20746b1551a24c99f67
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...and in unrelated news: Nick Dal Santo hopeful of penis extension.... :shh
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Richmond CEO Brendon Gale is confident Bachr Houli will be a Tiger again in 2021.
The two-time premiership defender, who is without a contract for next season, was recently linked with a possible return to former club Essendon.
However, Gale expects that the 32-year-old will remain in the yellow and black on another one-year deal.
Houli has contributed greatly to the Muslim community through his work with his foundation which has been made possible by the Tigers and the club’s chief is confident that will continue.
“The last few years Bachar has had a series of one-year contracts,” he said on SEN’s Whateley.
“We think it works for him, he’s almost in career-best form. He’s a wonderful finals performer.
“I’d be very surprised, I’d be extremely surprised if Bachar wasn’t playing with us next year.
“He’s got a strong position in our team now, he’s got a strong future at our club. We established the Bachar Houli Foundation which will be located at Punt Road.
“His contribution to our club now and his legacy after is something we need to protect.”
All-Australian half-back Houli has played 192 games for Richmond since joining from the Bombers in 2010, and has tallied 218 total.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/13/richmond-chief-comments-on-bachar-houlis-future/
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"Put it in ink. Houli will be staying at Richmond for one more year."
Source: Sam McClure on Footy Classified.
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Most of his performances this year justify offering him another season.
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Bachar is awesome, hope he keeps going.
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Bachar Houli
As Tony Shaw noted on radio at half-time, Houli had enough of the ball but looked nervous with it and wasn’t able to penetrate with his usual effectiveness as a result. Oddly quiet when the game was on the line in the final term.
Rating: 4
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-port-adelaide-first-preliminary-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/5a240d072bb6873234eb176397899eaf)
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Bachar Houli
As Tony Shaw noted on radio at half-time, Houli had enough of the ball but looked nervous with it and wasn’t able to penetrate with his usual effectiveness as a result. Oddly quiet when the game was on the line in the final term.
Rating: 4
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-port-adelaide-first-preliminary-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/5a240d072bb6873234eb176397899eaf)
Bookmark this, I'm agreeing with T Shaw :chuck
Think I need a shower
Seriously, though Bachar had a poor night
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Tight contested games are not suited and it is clearly evident. Needs to shoulder up and put his body in the contest a little more for mine.
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One hell of a journey to AFL GF: Houli
Rob Forsaith
AAP
18 October 2020
Bachar Houli has labelled Richmond's qualifying-final loss a "gift", admitting there were moments in 2020 when he doubted whether he would contest yet another grand final.
Every AFL player has made sacrifices of some description to ensure the show went on amid a COVID-19 outbreak that brought Melbourne to a halt.
Few have ridden the highs and low as much as Houli, who waited until June 11 to play his first game of the year because a calf injury preceded the competition-wide stoppage.
The 32-year-old stayed home when the Tigers relocated to a Queensland hub in July, welcoming his third child then revealing his mother was in intensive care after contracting coronavirus.
Houli returned in round 13 and hasn't looked back since, playing every game as Richmond advanced to their third grand final in four consecutive years.
"It's been such a different journey," the rebounding defender told AAP as he soaked up a dramatic preliminary-final win over Port Adelaide.
"It's been one hell of a journey ... something we'll remember for the rest of our lives. Regardless of whether we win or lose next week, it's definitely been a very proud moment for our football club.
"There was the first COVID stop, then the birth of my child forced me to stay back. I'm so grateful I was able to travel to Queensland with my family.
"To be quite honest, yes (there were doubts about reaching the grand final) at times ... but it felt like if we got into a top-four position then anything can happen."
The Tigers slipped to ninth on the ladder eight rounds, while they were in sixth spot after 12 rounds of the condensed season.
Houli's team, having banked qualifying-final wins in 2017, 2018 and 2019, suffered an upset loss to Brisbane in week one of this year's finals series.
The veteran suggested taking the hard road to this year's premiership decider had proved beneficial.
"We've bounced back really well from adversity or losses. We know where we go wrong in certain games and feel like they're small fixes," Houli said.
"Sometimes you need that little hiccup. You treat it as a gift, because it gets you to reset and focus on the job for longer.
"The loss we had to Brisbane was a gift in a way."
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/one-hell-of-a-journey-to-afl-gf-houli-c-1407350
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I wouldn't back against him for a big game in GF.Just needs to be cleaner at times.
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Houli still uncotracted. Uncertainty of list sizes holding up the decision on his future. Bachar said he wants to play on as his body still feels good but he understands Saturday could be his last game.
source: 3aw news.
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Sorry, Bombers: The real reason why Houli will stay a Tiger after 'surprise' interest
Richmond veteran Bachar Houli is waiting for a contract offer from the Tigers
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
21 October 2020
RICHMOND'S two-time premiership star Bachar Houli admits he was surprised by Essendon's interest in luring him back to the Bombers.
But the gun defender said he was keen to remain in the yellow and black despite his wait for a contract offer from the club.
Houli, who is shooting for his third flag victory in Saturday night's Grand Final against Geelong, remains out of contract at the end of this season.
AFL.com.au revealed in September he had drawn the interest of the Bombers, where he left at the end of 2010 after 26 games in four seasons.
He has since become a Tigers great, finishing second in the Norm Smith Medal in 2017 and 2019, and the important left footer said the Bombers' pursuit came as a shock.
"It was a surprise being 32 years old and why would a club want to reinvest in a player who was there many years ago? But I don't know how far that went to be quite honest," he told AFL.com.au.
"I didn't really dwell or dive too much into that. I think that's on the side now."
The Tigers have held off recontracting a number of their players as they sought clarity on list sizes and the salary cap for 2021, but have recently sewn up deals for ruckman Toby Nankervis and midfielders Jack Graham and Riley Collier-Dawkins.
Houli said he wanted to stay at Richmond, where he has strong links with his off-field work in the community with the Bachar Houli Foundation.
"As long as there's a contract there, an offer, I won't be going anywhere else to be quite honest," he said.
"I've got something far greater than just a playing contract at the football club and that's the foundation and the work we've done together with Richmond Football Club and the AFL to establish the foundation.
"Hopefully there's a contract post-Grand Final, maybe before Grand Final, but it's been a funny year. I'm going to wait patiently and hopefully there's an offer there in the short-term."
Houli has had an interrupted season with the Tigers, missing eight weeks in the middle of the season as he stayed in Melbourne to be with family and joining Richmond's Gold Coast hub in the middle of August.
But the 219-gamer's form has been excellent since his return to the Tigers' defence and Houli was one of the Tigers' best in their semi-final win over St Kilda with 32 disposals.
He said the prize of becoming a three-time premiership player hadn't taken his mind off the task of overcoming Geelong at the Gabba.
"Honestly I haven't really thought about it as such. Maybe because the build up is not there and there hasn’t been the huge hype but at the end of the day if you're thinking about that you're thinking about outcome and that's not what we do," he said.
"We think about the process and what it takes to give ourselves the best possible chance to be victorious on the night."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/520404/sorry-bombers-the-real-reason-why-houli-will-stay-a-tiger-after-surprise-interest
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Bachar Houli has dealt with more than most in 2020. He welcomed a new baby, helped his mum through COVID-19 and fought back from his own injury. But none of that has been enough to dent his desire to play on next year.
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Bachar Houli – 5
On the surface, Houli struggled to get his usual drive off half-back, but he revealed only after the siren he had torn his calf in the same passage of play that saw Nick Vlastuin knocked out. Class still shone through on occasion with a few deft touches.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/521174/tigers-player-ratings-no-passengers-on-the-tiger-train)
Bachar Houli
Started on Danger at the first bounce, but the two-time Norm Smith runner-up was very well contained by Geelong with Houli unable to influence unlike previous Grand Finals.
Rating: 5
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-richmond-vs-geelong-dustin-martin-player-ratings-tigers-stats-best-and-worst-players-afl-finals-gabba/news-story/2c23bd9c6b85150e3f828938dc9c0006)
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Had no idea he had torn his calf.
Wasn't carrying on like Ablett was. Just pure stoicism.
Will he go on or call it a day? Getting a few soft tissues these days and with Markov missing out you have to wonder if it's time?
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I wondered why his stats were low....What an absolute gun!
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Houli on the news tonight said he isn't going anywhere. He's been told it (his contract) is almost done.
His calf is a 4-6 week injury.
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Apparently did his calf in the warm-up. Pretty crap if he played anyway. Been a fantastic player for us but he is done and should be retired gracefully. Too many calf injuries now and will struggle to get on the park next year.
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Apparently did his calf in the warm-up. Pretty crap if he played anyway. Been a fantastic player for us but he is done and should be retired gracefully. Too many calf injuries now and will struggle to get on the park next year.
No it was tight during the warm up and it popped just after Vlastuin got knocked out by Dangerfield
But do agree with you re the on going calf issues. Over 30 and repeated calf strains is a concern
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'I don't crave the battle': the different goals that keep triple flag-winner Bachar Houli playing
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/i-don-t-crave-the-battle-the-different-goals-that-keep-triple-flag-winner-bachar-houli-playing-20200910-p55uc0.html
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'I don't crave the battle': the different goals that keep triple flag-winner Bachar Houli playing
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/i-don-t-crave-the-battle-the-different-goals-that-keep-triple-flag-winner-bachar-houli-playing-20200910-p55uc0.html
one eyed.
do you have the full article? if possible can you please post the whole thing instead of just the link as some of us dont have access
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'I don't crave the battle': the different goals that keep triple flag-winner Bachar Houli playing
Bachar Houli entered the AFL 14 years ago as its first orthodox Muslim. With the quiet strength of his faith and the beauty of his play, he’s changed the way the game understands itself.
By Konrad Marshall
OCTOBER 30, 2020
A little more than a year ago, on the day of the 2019 AFL grand final, Bachar Houli awoke at 3am. The champion Richmond half-back flank rose in darkness not over big-game jitters, or the need to pee, or a teething toddler, but out of religious obligation. He roused himself to pray.
Houli, 32, is the first practising orthodox Muslim to play in the Australian Football League. And although his commitment to Islam is almost reflexively characterised by others as “devout”, few fully grasp what that means in daily life. Allow me to elucidate.
Houli rubbed the sleep from his eyes, knelt in supplication, and began to sing from the Koran, offering a special night prayer – the tahajjud – performed in those peaceful hours when Allah descends closest to earth. Then he went back to bed, rising two hours later to drive to his local mosque in Newport, in Melbourne’s inner west, to pray again at 5.30am. Houli then returned home, relaxed with his wife, Rouba, and made time to pray once more, later that morning.
Past noon, he made his way across the West Gate Bridge to the Melbourne Cricket Ground, where his skill and strength played a starring role in the Tigers’ decisive early mauling of the Greater Western Sydney Giants. At half-time, instead of attending the defenders’ strategic line meeting, Houli was alone in a small anteroom used by AFL drug testers, first making wudu – the ritualistic ablutions required prior to prayer – then locating Mecca with his iPhone, and kneeling on a towel, bowed in prayer. He went back onto the field, won his second storied premiership medallion, then danced on the grass with his daughters before surreptitiously slipping away, back to that anteroom, to pray yet again.
The post-match celebrations in the bowels of the MCG naturally turned heady, as beer and champagne and screaming and singing spread throughout the sprawling underground. One by one the players chanted to each other to “Skol! Skol! Skol!”, the subject dutifully drinking deeply from cans of Carlton Draught. When it was time for “Ba-char! Ba-char! Ba-char!” to drink, Houli held a bottle of water above his head and guzzled it greedily, drenching his shaved scalp in the last clear splashes.
After showering, he put on his suit, sang the club song again, then disappeared to pray once more. While the team departed for raucous celebrations at a nearby hotel, Houli had dinner with his family at a local restaurant, then went home to bed. Before he closed his eyes on Saturday, September 28, 2019, he prayed for the seventh time that day.
Waleed Aly, who worked with Houli on his upcoming memoir, Bachar Houli: Faith, Football and Family, says it’s this sort of uncomplicated religious devotion – performing ordinary obligations on the most extraordinary of days – that makes Houli not only a crucial figure for the Islamic community, but perhaps the perfect bridge to wider Australia.
“If part of what you’re trying to manifest is the possibility of being authentically Muslim and authentically Australian, then having someone who strikes you as a compromised figure wouldn’t do the job. Bachar doesn’t strike anyone as a compromised figure,” says Aly, a co-host of Network Ten’s The Project and columnist for The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald. “He understands the community, and is anchored in it. And he is on a stage and in an environment that no one else from that world has been in. It opens up possibility, and creates a direct link between these hitherto separate parts of Australian society.”
It matters that people know he does the daily prayers, fasts at Ramadan, abstains from alcohol, and that he doesn’t resile from those values for the sake of convenience. “It sends a message to the community that, ‘Well, it must be possible,’ ” says Aly. “That we’re not automatically excluded.”
Houli has been thrust into the spotlight many times in his life and career, from entering the league as a shy trailblazer, to leveraging that status into prayer rooms being established at all AFL venues in 2012. From leading his educational not-for-profit Bachar Houli Foundation, to staring down racial abuse from Aussie rules fans. From visiting the victims of the 2019 Christchurch mosque massacre, to using his mother’s COVID-19 diagnosis to call on Australian Muslims to get tested. “Yet what’s interesting about Bachar is not so much the events in his life,” notes Aly, “but the way he responds to them.”
I’ve met Bachar Houli many times, but never like this, on FaceTime, me in my home office in Melbourne and he in the Richmond hub on the Gold Coast, where the club has cloistered together for more than 100 days, to protect an AFL season played in a pandemic.
This Tuesday, on the eve of finals, he’s meant to be on an RDO but his schedule is hardly relaxing. A keen angler (as well as hunter and camper), Houli has just finished delivering a Zoom presentation about resilience to the Victorian Fisheries Authority, for which he’s an ambassador. (“Everyone is going through some sort of test – it’s about looking for ways to overcome it,” he told them. “I don’t have all the answers, but I’ve got a couple: live life simply, and with humility.”) A little earlier, he was in a meeting with Victorian sports minister Martin Pakula, helping a funding push for the planned William Cooper Centre: a $60 million education and diversity hub for Richmond’s Punt Road headquarters, hoping to break ground in 2021. It would also become the permanent home of the Bachar Houli Foundation, which runs Islamic school footy carnivals, employment programs, leadership courses, and has in nine years reached about 35,000 kids nationwide.
“It was set up to correct an imbalance – there just aren’t enough Muslims playing the game,” says his friend and the foundation director, Ali Fahour. “If you ask Bachar what the goal is, he just wants young boys and girls to be proud of their identity. But we also want to see them building bridges, educating the wider community, and then getting more kids drafted, because sporting role models are just so powerful.”
Houli was the first strict adherent of the faith to play the game, joined five years ago by now-Essendon player Adam Saad. While a handful of less observant Muslims like Sedat Sir and Adam Yze came before this duo, what excites Fahour is what’s coming down the line. “We’ve got three kids coming through the academy right now – absolute jets – who we’ll be pushing hard to be drafted.”
After a short meeting with some of those very kids online – Houli’s third Zoom of the day – he’s finally online with me, talking about “hub life”, which is repetitive and stifling but eased by having his family with him, including daughters Sarah, 6, and Maryam, 3, and baby boy Mohamed, who was born in July. Houli stayed in Melbourne for the birth, forgoing half the season to support Rouba, whom he married at 20, and says that time was a blessing, from daily family bike rides to Bunnings runs. He remembers holding his son as soon as he was born, and softly singing the call to prayer – the adhan – in his right ear, and then a different version – the iqamah – in his left, so that Mohamed’s first moments were anchored in faith.
“Right now, I’m energised,” he says, teeth gleaming. “There’s a lot of positivity. This place is full of banter, full of happiness, and there’s a lot of confidence. We’ll remember this year together no matter what happens on the field. It’s not about the prize.” He turns quiet. “But I have struggled at times. I miss home. I miss my mum.”
His mother, Yamama, 68, who lives close by Houli, fell at home in the week after the birth, hurting her ribs. Houli’s older brother Nezor, a pancreatic surgeon, booked her in for X-rays and – worried by her shortness of breath – a COVID-19 test, which came back positive. “The worst sound in the world,” Bachar writes in his memoir, “is someone you love bawling down a phone line.” It was his sister Marwa, calling as their mum was wheeled into intensive care.
One of the literal meanings of the word Islam is “surrender”, which is all Houli could do. “We were very strong as a family – united and connected – but we belong to God and we shall return to God,” he says, nodding. “A lot of us go through life but rarely remember death – that which will destroy our pleasures – so I always prepare for that moment.”
Yamama is much better now. After a frightening month, her health improved steadily and Houli rejoined his team in Queensland. He also used that moment. One of the shortcomings in Victoria’s pandemic management was reaching diverse language groups, so Houli broadcast a highly personal video on Facebook and Instagram, which has been viewed 24 million times.
“Change your mindset about COVID-19,” he pleaded. “The reality is it is out there, and I’m experiencing it right now within my family. Please, I urge you, for the sake of Allah, to go get tested.”
He wasn’t seeking sympathy or asking for prayers, only for people to recognise the problem. “It wasn’t scripted. I just let it flow,” he says, seeming saintly on my screen, in his white T-shirt and a white curtain backdrop. “It was an important time to stand up and share awareness. It’s not hard to go and get tested. I’ve done it more than 50 times.”
His mum still hasn’t met Mohamed. “I can’t wait to get back home, just to reunite with her,” Houli says. “There’s gonna be some tears, both ways.”
Some people play football as they live life. Bachar Houli is a star: strong, balanced and graceful. His kicking action is pure. His adherence to the plan is absolute. He seems born to footy, yet it was not encouraged in his youth in Altona North in Melbourne’s inner west.
“My parents were very strict – let’s be straight about that,” he says, grinning and wagging a finger. “Distraction from education was the number one reason they were against footy. They moved here from Lebanon because they wanted us to have a better life. The idea of sport was wasteful.”
But they didn’t really have time to stop young Bachar. His dad, Malek, drove long hours in a taxi, and Yamama was focused on the meals needed for seven children. Houli doesn’t remember how he was introduced to football, only that when holding a new Sherrin he would sniff the leather, inhaling its sacred incense.
He went to his first AFL game when he was 11. Carlton versus Collingwood at the MCG. He and a friend plunged into the middle of the infamous “Grog Squad” of Carlton supporters. He remembers being thrown into the air by grown men, the noise and colour and joy leaving an indelible mark on his spirit.
He learnt to play that year, too, getting through an entire season with his local junior club in Spotswood without his parents knowing. The deception only unravelled when he won their best and fairest award, as well as the league’s best and fairest award, and the league’s top goalkicker award. He was sprung while trying to smuggle three trophies into his home that night.
There was no eruption from his parents, but footy became a stalemate issue, neither forbidden nor endorsed, which only changed for Malek when his son was selected in Victorian state sides at 15. Yamama was tougher to crack. “The moment I knew she was fully invested was … two years into my AFL career? She said, ‘Why don’t you get a bit stronger, go in for that ball more? I always find you on the outside,’ ” he says, laughing. “She started giving me advice!”
In 2006 he was drafted by Essendon, aged 18 and at pick 42, yet more stories were written about Houli than all but the very best young recruits. The attention was difficult. This was not long after the London Tube bombings, and the Operation Pendennis antiterrorism raids in Sydney and Melbourne. Anti-Muslim anxiety was high.
“I was just a young lad willing to do whatever it takes to play – I didn’t think about representing this large community. But as people remind you, you start realising you’re representing something greater than yourself. I tried to live in the moment. But I also tried to live everything I preached. If I was going to say, ‘I’m a Muslim and I pray five times a day,’ I had to do it.”
Fahour was working at Essendon when Houli was drafted, and well remembers the difficulty he had fitting in, declining invites to go out carousing at bars. He was lucky, in some ways, to have been drafted by the inclusive Kevin Sheedy. “I’m not sure the industry would have been ready for a practising Muslim in the ’80s and ’90s,” Fahour says. “Would they have accepted him fasting during Ramadan? I really doubt it would have been embraced.”
Waleed Aly doesn’t barrack for Essendon, but he was present for Houli’s debut in 2007. “I remember being nervous, like I had something major at stake,” Aly writes in his foreword to Houli’s book. “I called for him to run into open space. I tensed as he held that mark. I pumped my fists as he kicked that goal. That was me out there.”
Houli is an ornament to the game now – All Australian in 2019, and close to best on ground in two premiership wins – but he was in and out of the side over his first few years and bore the anxiety of expectation. “I struggled, because it wasn’t just me not playing, it was ‘Bachar Houli the Muslim’ not playing. It felt like I was letting much more than myself down.”
That changed in 2011 when he left the Bombers to join Richmond, where he’s since played 194 games, including the 2020 grand final, as a crucial member of a vaunted defence. More importantly, he found a place to be firm about his faith. Houli finds it unsettling to be around alcohol, for instance – as if wronging himself by attending club functions, or “Mad Monday” celebrations – so was given club blessing to step away from that discomfort. His friend and captain, Trent Cotchin, says Houli never compromises himself. “Which is really admirable, because so many people come into an AFL system, let alone a new team, and want to change to fit in, rather than be themselves. Bachar is just Bachar.”
At Tigerland he found himself answering so many player questions about Islam – from why prayer draws him closer to God, to the difference between Sunni and Shia – that he now does an annual presentation to all staff. They also hold an annual iftar dinner at the Islamic Museum of Australia during Ramadan. That was the brainchild of Richmond’s diversity and inclusion co-ordinator, Rana Hussain, also a Muslim and who is also currently working with NBA star Ben Simmons on his “DoMore” anti-racism campaign.
“When Bachar’s career began I followed everything he did, not just to see him play but to see how he manoeuvred through this industry that felt like a monoculture,” Hussain says. “I remember him visiting an Islamic school one day – he was just mobbed. It was like when you see One Direction or something,” she adds with a laugh. “For a while, before he got married, he was the most eligible bachelor in the Muslim community.”
Ramadan, incidentally, is an incredibly serious undertaking for a professional athlete. Houli was only able to navigate it successfully – forgoing food and water every day for a month from the first hint of dawn to the moment the sun dips below the horizon – with trial and error. He eats the right carbs at night and hydrates before daybreak. He consulted Islamic scholars, too, discovering dispensations for “travellers” (affording him leeway when playing interstate). If he absolutely has to break his fast on game day with a handful of dates, he’ll fast another day after Ramadan ends, then make a charitable fidyah payment to clear his conscience.
Praying, too, became an issue of great importance. Every Muslim in a minority country knows the prickling discomfort as the clock ticks by while trying to find somewhere to pray. When Houli was 14, he used the scrub behind the club rooms. He once prayed in the commotion of the Royal Melbourne Show. Another time, next to his car on the shoulder of a freeway. The most uncomfortable place? An airport transit lounge.
Richmond cleared a special room in its facility for prayer when Houli arrived in 2011. When he became one of the AFL’s multicultural ambassadors the following year, the first point he lobbied then-boss Andrew Demetriou for was prayer rooms at arenas. He remembered what it was like to invoke Allah in a dank stadium stairwell, the concrete stinking of spilt beer. Simon Matthews, Richmond’s communications and community program boss, points out that Houli achieves all these little goals quietly, mostly without xenophobic backlash or crusader self-promotion. “Bachar can do for Muslim Australians what Michael Long did for Indigenous Australians,” Matthews says. “He’s that important.”
Crowd noise is mostly white noise to footballers, but not this night in 2016 against Collingwood. Houli stood behind Magpie goals in the second quarter, and a voice from the stands cut through: “Hey, you jihadist!” They made eye contact. Houli shook his head. He didn’t want to react on instinct, instead pausing to consider the problem.
It was a difficult moment in a difficult time. Adam Goodes had only recently been booed out of football. Reclaim Australia was holding regular anti-Muslim protests. At the game that night against the Magpies, the United Patriots Front unveiled a banner: “Go Pies! Stop the mosques!”
Houli thought of the Prophet, and as his teammates left the field after a gutting loss, he hung back, then walked to the Collingwood cheer squad for a “gentle conversation”. This doesn’t surprise Tanya Hosch, the AFL’s inclusion and social policy manager. Hosch knows Houli’s manner well from his work this year on a committee expanding Rule 35, the racial vilification code, to include online abuse. “People might have Bachar on a pedestal, but there’s no rock-star air there,” she says. “He’s never looking to be the loudest voice. He actually holds a more powerful silence, in his ability to listen.”
A crowd gathered. Friends of the man apologised, and chastised him as a drunken fool. Others wanted to report him to security, or the league. “Stop, please, everyone. Just relax,” Houli said. “I’m going to be a different person. I’m going to teach you something. Islam is not a religion of destruction. Islam’s a religion of peace. A religion of tolerance.” He spoke for five minutes, answering questions, shaking hands.
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“I felt like I had a clear heart, and when you have a clear heart you shouldn’t fear anything,” he tells me now, days before a preliminary final against Port Adelaide. “That kind of thing was always going to happen eventually. My role was to respond to it well – not to respond to harm with harm. Because where does that end?”
He knew he could have had the man ejected, or banned from the cheer squad. The AFL wanted to take action, and Collingwood president Eddie McGuire, too, but Houli had given his abuser his word he would leave the matter there. There it stayed.
“The thing is, Bachar always comes back to celebrating, and sharing himself. That’s everything he’s about,” says Cotchin. “He just saw it as an opportunity to educate, instead of annihilate.”
Six days before the start of the 2019 AFL season, Bachar Houli was in the massage room at Richmond, getting a rub down before training. Flicking through the news on his phone, he saw a garbled video feed. “It looked like one of those first-person shooter games,” he says, squinting. “Then this little boy, Mucad, was killed. He was three. Just defenceless. Just …”
He was watching the Christchurch mosque massacre, in which 51 people were murdered during Friday prayers. Houli went straight to the office of development coach Ivan Maric and started to cry. He had to go home to his family. “When you have a child who pleads with you every single night, ‘Dad, Dad, Dad, can I go with you to the mosque?’ that’s what resonated with me,” he says. “My daughter always wants to get into her clothing and stand next to me and pray, and that’s exactly what that kid was doing.”
He went home and held her tightly. He posted on Instagram that fear would not keep him from his place of worship, then headed to the mosque. A few days later, he was on a plane to New Zealand, invited by Khoder Nasser, the manager of National Rugby League star Sonny Bill Williams, to mourn the victims and pay respects.
He toured mosques and hospitals and homes and was, according to Nasser, a soothing presence. “He wasn’t in unfamiliar territory. He was simple and natural and comforting. No intrusion. No one would feel like he was in a place where he didn’t belong.”
Houli went to the burial services of 27 souls, met wounded survivors, and spoke to the older brother of little Mucad, at a local ice-cream shop. He sighs now, and describes the event as “shocking, just shocking” – then says something I’m not expecting.
“The reality is if you die in a mosque, you’re dying in a state of worship, and there’s no better way of dying than while serving the true purpose of your life, to serve the Creator,” he says flatly. “Dying in prayer, on a Friday, the holiest day, you are considered a martyr – a person who is not in a state of war but in a struggle with their own self, abstaining from what’s against the law of God. That’s martyrdom, that’s jihad. They were in a good place. They were the lucky ones.”
The reaction stuns me, underlining the collision between my sheltered understanding of religious norms (and my atheism, too) and his end-of-life beliefs. Houli’s is actually a fairly conventional Islamic perspective.
“This life isn’t the be all and end all,” Aly explains. “In Islam there’s a greater cosmic way of understanding events and hardships – an understanding that has a much larger conception of what might be good for us in the long run. And I think that way of looking at the world has helped Bachar.”
Three years ago, I met Bachar Houli, while writing a book about Richmond, at the Bilal Bin Rabah Masjid, a cavernous $14 million mosque in inner-Melbourne Newport. I remember teens in taqiyah (skull caps) and others in Nike baseball hats, and older men in high-vis tradie vests, or blue shirts with the telltale epaulets of the taxi service. Houli often performs the call to prayer here. His sheik asks him to, because he has a beautiful voice. “If you’ve got a certain quality, you should utilise it – not to show off, but so you can draw the hearts of others,” Houli says. “People ask me about playing in front of 100,000 people, or leading the prayer for 600 people. Leading the prayer is more nerve-racking, because behind you there are rows of people who’ve memorised those passages – the whole book.”
Those people – now largely locked down at home – were front of mind when Houli was interviewed on television after the Tigers’ semi-final win against St Kilda three weeks ago. With flecks of grass still stuck to his scalp, and sweat dripping from his thick beard, he smiled down the barrel of the camera: “I just want to say, I love you Mum, As-salamu alaykum [Peace be upon you]. As-salamu alaykum to all the community back home. Stay patient.”
Nazeem Hussain, the comedian and actor of Legally Brown fame, was one of many who beamed at home as that message was broadcast. “That’s Channel 7, the same network where you have all sorts of commentators saying racist stuff,” Hussain says, “and then you have this Muslim guy with a broad smile sending a message in Arabic to the Islamic community. Bachar is one of the only reasons I watch AFL, and he doesn’t even play for my team!”
Houli once told me he’d be happy to retire if he won a premiership. He doesn’t play for the love of the game – he doesn’t feel that anymore. “When I was a young kid, yes, you crave it. But it becomes a job, and it’s super competitive, and I’m not a competitive person. I don’t crave the battle. I’m just this peacemaker, mate. Let me play the game and come home and enjoy life.”
He will know when it’s time to retire. God will tell him. He’s asked that question of the Almighty before, immediately after a disastrous 2016 season. His end-of-season trip was the Haj – the annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca – to stand on Mount Arafat with Rouba, where Adam and Eve are said to have met on earth after being cast from paradise. In 46-degree heat, with 2.5 million pilgrims in glowing white gowns, he spent the day asking for forgiveness and advice. “Allah, if football is meant for me, then allow it to be and show me the path towards it,” he whispered. “Help me make a decision and give me what’s best for me.”
He wasn’t asking for anything more than to allow good to flourish and bad to vanish. “There was so much mercy in the air, so much feeling and positivity. You’re like a newborn baby. I felt really good after that. I felt clear. And things began to fall into place.”
Did they ever. Houli won a storied flag in 2017, then another in 2019, and in Brisbane last weekend, he gathered a third premiership medallion. A day later, sitting in the cafe of the Richmond hub at Royal Pines Resort on the Gold Coast, he tells me over FaceTime about the game that secured his team that third historic win.
About the way he injured his calf in the first quarter and was asked by coach Damien Hardwick to endure – with strapping, painkillers, adrenalin and devotion, to play a purely defensive role: “Mate, I need you. I need you to hang in. I need Allah on our side.”
About his creeping doubts at half-time, when Geelong was dominating – but also the positivity of the coaches, and how the game began to pivot into the “controlled chaos” mode of untrammelled play the Tigers love: “It’s a special feeling. When it’s happening we just turn around to each other, full of smiles and celebration.”
About taking little Mohamed and Maryam and Sarah on stage to collect his medal, and celebrating on the sodden oval, then going to bed after midnight, waking again to his alarm at 3.30am. “I got up like someone had given me an electric shock. I was just so pumped.”
In the wake of that grand final win, Houli planned to sign a new contract, fly home, kiss his mother’s feet and introduce her to her grandson. But for now, finally free of the AFL hub isolation, he headed to the mosque, his first visit in four months, for the 4am congregational prayer. There were five people there, and social distancing tape marked the floor. “I missed it so much. The feeling of that was … better than winning the grand final ... The satisfaction I get spiritually outweighs any cup.”
He knows, though, that the medals are meaningful. “With achievement comes opportunity,” Houli says, nodding. “And this is my opportunity – to reach people, and share a message of positivity about Islam. That’s what winning means to me.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/i-don-t-crave-the-battle-the-different-goals-that-keep-triple-flag-winner-bachar-houli-playing-20200910-p55uc0.html
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Great read fantastic loved how he sealed with pies fan base pure class lucky to have him.Cotch was also so praise worthy.
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Bachar on SEN yesterday arvo:
AUDIO: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=754880
His calf was still sore 4 days after the GF.
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AFL star Bachar Houli opens up about 'faith, football and family' in new autobiography.
Interview on Ch 7's Sunrise: https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/afl-star-bachar-houli-opens-up-about-faith-football-and-family-in-new-autobiography-c-1545337
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Houli tore his calf early in the clash with the Cats but played out the game, with Hardwick saying the veteran half-back would have missed a month with the injury had it been in-season.
"It probably hasn't come on as well as we'd like so he probably is doubtful for round one," he said.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/550654/can-dusty-get-even-better-superstar-primed-after-incredible-pre-season)
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YES/NO: Concerns over Bachar Houli’s calf are growing, are they justified?
Richo: Yes
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/25/will-the-blues-giants-or-pies-play-finals-should-the-tigers-be-worried-about/
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Should've retired. :shh
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Bring him back cherry ripe we're in no rush another kid can develop I his role.
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Rest up Bach.
We have plenty of young up and comers who can play in your spot.
See you round 16.
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Just one game into his 15th season, triple premiership Tiger Bachar Houli has declared he wants to play on next year. He admits his ageing body has let him down but has told 7NEWS the new rules give him an edge. @SeanSowerby7 #7AFL #7NEWS
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/Houli12042021.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1381532532458446851)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1381532532458446851
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And he will probably wait to see what's left at the end of the year - and so he should.
I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised and very happy with his game. Was wondering if he was cooked. Has improved our backline.
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And he will probably wait to see what's left at the end of the year - and so he should.
I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised and very happy with his game. Was wondering if he was cooked. Has improved our backline.
Class always shines only injuries will healt him.
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And he will probably wait to see what's left at the end of the year - and so he should.
I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised and very happy with his game. Was wondering if he was cooked. Has improved our backline.
Class always shines only injuries will healt him.
Was a momentum killer when he was up the ground at CHF in traffic fumbled and had poor skills under pressure.
Down back he was good.
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See how the body holds up .. another bad soft tissue injury away from it being curtains for Bachar
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Bachar on Ch 7 news tonight said last week was a return to basics. Those basic fundamentals were missing in the first 4 weeks.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1384792571734417412
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0OMiJ0XEAA-5o2?format=jpg&name=medium)
- about to turn 33
- playing during Ramadan
- still puts up 31 disposals, 10 marks and a W.
Bachar Houli is unreal.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1388107636340572169
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Star for us.
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Bachar seems to always have a good game during Ramadan
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He definitely deserves credit for his game against the Dogs. He played really well.
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Bachar seems to always have a good game during Ramadan
Great call Julz
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Bachar seems to always have a good game during Ramadan
You'd hope so. It goes for a month lol
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Tonight's @7AFL #FridayFocus is on our very own Bachar Houli and his work on and off the field.
The #AFLTigersCats broadcast starts at 7pm on 7mate with the Friday Night Countdown.
Watch the trailer here: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1390517999631704065
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Bachar plays his 200th game for us next week against GWS :clapping.
Left Essendon at the end of 2010 after just 26 games in 4 years.
At Richmond:
2011 22
2012 22
2013 21
2014 23
2015 23
2016 12
2017 21 ..... premiership
2018 15
2019 22 ..... premiership
2020 13 ..... premiership
2021 6*
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Total 200* RFC matches.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Bachar_Houli.html
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Assuming he gets picked?
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Bloke sshould do what is bet for the tean and club RETIRE.
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Still playing some good football is Houli.
Should be his last year tho as he is ageing, prone to soft tissue injuries, and blocking the development of a younger option. Same with Cotchin. Astbury too although he doesn't seem to have the soft tissue issues.
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Cotchin can go on if he gives up the captaincy and only plays -say- 15 H&A games a year with less time on ground and stints up forward... :shh
Houli should pack it in before the MSD so we can get Josh Green or Jackson Callow... :shh :shh
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Assuming he gets picked?
He's been picked.
Saturday night's match will mark star Tiger Bachar Houli’s 200-game milestone with the Club.
A crucial contributor for Richmond across his 11 seasons at the club, the triple premiership defender and 2019 All-Australian has averaged 22.6 disposals per game throughout his time at Tigerland.
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/935332/two-inclusions-for-gws-clash)
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Mr courageous
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Had a shocker :banghead
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Had a shocker :banghead
He heard footsteps that weren’t even there tonight.
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Played well earlier this year but you have to wonder if some of our vets are struggling week to week. Same with Jack and Astbury - started the season well but now they are struggling to win contests and impact the games.
I hope Houli retires so we can draft a big midfielder in the MSD.
Really want Soldo to have a crack and returning later this year.
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Time for Bachar to give it away. Looked real bad when he wouldn’t run back with the flight
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Played well earlier this year but you have to wonder if some of our vets are struggling week to week. Same with Jack and Astbury - started the season well but now they are struggling to win contests and impact the games.
I hope Houli retires so we can draft a big midfielder in the MSD.
Really want Soldo to have a crack and returning later this year.
Bachar won't be retiring so...
I'm expecting Soldo to go on the LTI list, so we can have a MSD pick
Its the only way to get it done
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Was the old Houli last night. Needs to start performing the way he plays in the big dance or the end will come fast.
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Played well earlier this year but you have to wonder if some of our vets are struggling week to week. Same with Jack and Astbury - started the season well but now they are struggling to win contests and impact the games.
I hope Houli retires so we can draft a big midfielder in the MSD.
Really want Soldo to have a crack and returning later this year.
Bachar won't be retiring so...
I'm expecting Soldo to go on the LTI list, so we can have a MSD pick
Its the only way to get it done
well then it doesnt get done. End of story.
soldo wont be going on the LTI so no mid season pick.
we owe that guy to see how he goes in the lead up to september.
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Houli’s attack on the ball / man has always been fringy at best, but his run, carry and delivery more than made up for that. Right now he can’t kick over a jam tin and he misses more targets than a blind skeet shooter.
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Played well earlier this year but you have to wonder if some of our vets are struggling week to week. Same with Jack and Astbury - started the season well but now they are struggling to win contests and impact the games.
I hope Houli retires so we can draft a big midfielder in the MSD.
Really want Soldo to have a crack and returning later this year.
Bachar won't be retiring so...
I'm expecting Soldo to go on the LTI list, so we can have a MSD pick
Its the only way to get it done
well then it doesnt get done. End of story.
soldo wont be going on the LTI so no mid season pick.
we owe that guy to see how he goes in the lead up to september.
Only reason I'm flagging Soldo on the LTI list is because he's just had more surgery to clean up his medial ligament. So that's more rehab time for him. Just think he is going to struggle to get back this year. His knee wasn't a straight forward ACL, there was alot more damage than that
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Cooked. :shh
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Second week in a row he has watched the ball sail over his head instead of go for it, then just watched it get picked up by an opposition player.
Losing contests and giving up easy ball like that tells me he's cooked.
Astbury too.
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Plays better during Ramadan
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I know Bachar wants to play on.
I know he was our leading disposal winner last night
But....
I think the Club is facing some very tough calls on a few blokes and Bachar is one of them IMHO
In Bachar's case last night the stats don't tell the true story of his game last night
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Offer him a coaching job on the condition he retires immediately... :shh
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Bachar and Astbury should retire asap and start the process of moving on our senior players who are getting on in age.
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Bachar and Astbury should retire asap and start the process of moving on our senior players who are getting on in age.
Yes the transition should begin. Houli was awful last night.
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Bachar and Astbury should retire asap and start the process of moving on our senior players who are getting on in age.
Yes the transition should begin. Houli was awful last night.
Agree, he had a lot of it last night but his delivery is lacking, maybe he just had a bad night.
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Just retire him FFS
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I know Bachar wants to play on.
I know he was our leading disposal winner last night
But....
I think the Club is facing some very tough calls on a few blokes and Bachar is one of them IMHO
In Bachar's case last night the stats don't tell the true story of his game last night
I agree the club is in a situation where very tough calls need to be made. I believe it is better to have a gradual transition and than losing a whole lot of players at once. Therefore action needs to start now. We do not want to be in a position where our only good players are the older players eg Collingwood or like Hawthorn who were too slow in regenerating its list.
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Who takes his spot?
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Who takes his spot?
Anyone who doesn’t poo themselves
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Who takes his spot?
Mansell back in the team.
Baker when our midfield returns.
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Who takes his spot?
Could play Ralphsmith there give him the almost totally freewheeling role they give to Houli. Sydney Stack or Marlion Pickett for a harder edge Mansell only needs to be played as an outlet player like Houli. Reckon there are options.
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Who takes his spot?
Mansell back in the team.
Baker when our midfield returns.
Baker has become a pretty decent player but i cringe when he has to play deep defense.
I really like him as a forward with some time thru the middle.
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Bachar got 1 coaches vote v Brisbane, someone liked his game
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I think we all remember stacks debut season. If there’s anyone who can be a long term replacement at hbf it’s him provided he’s committed.
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I know i have mentioned this before and i know Marlion has struggled a bit across H/B at AFL level but ffs i watched a bit of this bloke at South Fremantle and he was brilliant at h/b. I have no doubt if we showed a bit of patience he would be a revelation in that role or maybe i should say at his age he would have been a revelation. If Marlion at age 29 has just two three seasons left then id really like to see him play there.
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Not sure if those that say he is soft watched him go back with the flight twice so far tonight. I realy wonder sometimes where some of the critism comes from. Not saying he does everything right though.
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Not sure if those that say he is soft watched him go back with the flight twice so far tonight. I realy wonder sometimes where some of the critism comes from. Not saying he does everything right though.
Bit like Brandon Ellis but not as bad. Sometimes he goes in hard and surprises you a bit.
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Thought tonight was probably Bachar's best game for the year. He seemed to be running across the ground better and didn't go to ground.
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Probably the only member of our much vaunted back six that can hold his head up... :shh
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Our couldabeen (or shouldabeen) norm smith medallist is also finished.
It’s been a great trade and he’s been a very good player for us especially during the last 4 years.
Thanks for the service and the memories.
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Done
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Should've retired before the mid-season draft .... :thumbsdown
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How he is playing is beyond me.
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Get him off FFS
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Should have retired after last year.
And shouldn't have played in the 2020 GF.
Couple of selfish moments IMO. Should have done the team thing like Grigg and hung up the boots.
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Finished as a footballer.
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If Bachar gets selected next week I'm done.
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After tonight we are not even playing finals its time to stop drinking the bath water and tap him on the shoulder to make way for a kid.
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Remember when Bachar’s footskills were his strength?
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I remember when they were as overrated as Short's currently are... :shh
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Love you Bachar. For ever. But it's time.
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200 games and 3 flags with the Tigers, a legend of the club, but father time waits for no one and his time is up. Bring forward the Rioli on the halfback experiment and let it run for the rest of the season
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Wasn't the only one to miss a target or fluff a kick ... But jeez the ones he misses hurt us the most. So frustrating to watch a player kick across goal or to the middle and miss the player by 10m.
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200 games and 3 flags with the Tigers, a legend of the club, but father time waits for no one and his time is up. Bring forward the Rioli on the halfback experiment and let it run for the rest of the season
Agreed but don't think Dimma has the courage
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200 games and 3 flags with the Tigers, a legend of the club, but father time waits for no one and his time is up. Bring forward the Rioli on the halfback experiment and let it run for the rest of the season
Agreed but don't think Dimma has the courage
You reckon Dimma lacks courage?
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200 games and 3 flags with the Tigers, a legend of the club, but father time waits for no one and his time is up. Bring forward the Rioli on the halfback experiment and let it run for the rest of the season
Agreed but don't think Dimma has the courage
You reckon Dimma lacks courage?
We will see if he can make the calls required.
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Sorry Bachar, times up
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Sorry Bachar, times up
Agree
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Houli possibly gone for the rest of the season with a syndesmosis injury. He went for scans today.
Source: Ch 7 arvo news.
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he has been a great servant of our club and its a bad way to go out but catch ya later.
He is no longer required, unless he wants a mentor role of some sort.
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I guess it’s officially time. Thanks for being the poster boy of money ball and helping us with 3x flags Houli.
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SEASON OVER: Flag hero set for surgery, career in doubt
More injury pain for Tigers with veteran defender Bachar Houli suffering a serious ankle injury
afl.com.au
2 July 2021 5pm
RICHMOND has confirmed veteran half-back Bachar Houli will have surgery on his left ankle after suffering a syndesmosis injury.
The operation will mean Houli, 33, is unlikely to play again this season and there are fears his AFL career could be over.
Houli has been playing on one-year deals for the past few seasons at Punt Road and has been plagued by injuries this year.
The news comes on the back of a horror night for Richmond. The reigning premier lost to the struggling Gold Coast at Marvel Stadium and its hopes of playing finals this year are now hanging by a thread.
Richmond could be out of the top eight by the end of this round.
After enjoying golden era that netted three flags in four years, the Tigers have had a wretched run with injury in 2021.
Houli missed the start of 2021 after bravely playing through last year's Grand Final with a significant calf injury.
He has played in all three of Richmond's recent premierships and was a Therabody AFL All-Australian in 2019.
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Deserved to go out in a better way but this is it, IMO. Thanks for everything
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Hell of a career.
Very good in 2 flags.
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So is this a injury from yesterday or ongoing one if so why was he playing ?.
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So is this a injury from yesterday or ongoing one if so why was he playing ?.
From yesterday according to the club.
Running Richmond defender Bachar Houli is in a moon boot and will likely need surgery for a mild ankle syndesmosis sprain suffered in last night’s loss to Gold Coast.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/969791/richmond-injury-updates
Bachar did his calf in last year's Granny which delayed his start to this season.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/it-popped-houli-played-out-grand-final-despite-calf-injury-20201025-p568bb.html
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Played his last game? :shh
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So is this a injury from yesterday or ongoing one if so why was he playing ?.
From yesterday according to the club.
Running Richmond defender Bachar Houli is in a moon boot and will likely need surgery for a mild ankle syndesmosis sprain suffered in last night’s loss to Gold Coast.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/969791/richmond-injury-updates
Bachar did his calf in last year's Granny which delayed his start to this season.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/it-popped-houli-played-out-grand-final-despite-calf-injury-20201025-p568bb.html
Last quarter I reckon. I seen him go down and grab his leg.
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So is this a injury from yesterday or ongoing one if so why was he playing ?.
From yesterday according to the club.
Running Richmond defender Bachar Houli is in a moon boot and will likely need surgery for a mild ankle syndesmosis sprain suffered in last night’s loss to Gold Coast.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/969791/richmond-injury-updates
Bachar did his calf in last year's Granny which delayed his start to this season.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/it-popped-houli-played-out-grand-final-despite-calf-injury-20201025-p568bb.html
Last quarter I reckon. I seen him go down and grab his leg.
Yep Ch7 news showed it. Late in the last qtr, probably 5-10 minutes to go
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Veteran Houli – whose season and career are in doubt following his syndesmosis injury in the Suns game at Marvel Stadium – put things in perspective on Instagram on Sunday alongside a photo of his bandaged leg. He referenced his mother Yamama’s fight with COVID-19 last year, an illness that left her in intensive care.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5avsUWVIAMuWl8?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://www.instagram.com/bacharhouli14
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Played his last game? :shh
Sheesh i can only hope.
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Played his last game? :shh
Sheesh i can only hope.
Have some respect.
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Played his last game? :shh
Sheesh i can only hope.
Let’s hope that’s your last post.
Log onto Demonland.
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:lol
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Did we win three premierships with this guy being close to winning the norm smith. 🤫
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Has been a champion but is overstaying his welcome this year IMO.
This surely has to be the final nail in the coffin.
Thanks for everything Bash, now maybe we could find him a coach or development role?
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Not sure what claw said that was wrong. He hoped it was his last game. As do I unless he has a send off game in the last round. He is cooked and we need to see stack for the rest of the year.
Does anyone disagree at the minute that Houli is gone?
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Not sure what claw said that was wrong. He hoped it was his last game. As do I unless he has a send off game in the last round. He is cooked and we need to see stack for the rest of the year.
Does anyone disagree at the minute that Houli is gone?
I don't disagree.
I dont feel the comment was malicious, I personally am extremely grateful for the professionalism that Bachar has extended over his career and work he has put into his body to always be at his best. He is a 3x premiership clubman and will always have my respect however I do feel with what is happening at the club and playing group that questions need to be asked of our future. And as they say the future is now, so choose the kids that are sticking their hands up.
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On The Friday Huddle, Bachar Houli explained his desire to continue on for a 16th season.
Go to 35:30 min mark to listen (discusses his future from 40 min): https://www.triplem.com.au/shows/friday-huddle
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8qQjHCVIAEclDs?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/triplemfooty/status/1426111421406875650
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pee off dude seriously
2021 was a bad idea
2022 would be a joke
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Yep- would be extremely selfish on his part and extremely shortsighted on the club's part... :thumbsdown
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I trust and respect him enough that he and the club will make the right call
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I trust and respect him enough that he and the club will make the right call
I don't anymore. He was sore before the 2020 GF and didn't pull out, subsequently doing a calf and making us play an extra half man down for 3+ quarters.
Never should have agreed to play on in 2021.
This will be the third time he hasn't walked away to our detriment IMO.
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HOULI ‘DEFINITELY’ KEEN TO PLAY ON
Triple premiership Tiger Bachar Houli says he’s “100 per cent sure” he wants to play on in 2022, but two Fox Footy commentators believe Richmond should make the tough call and not offer the veteran another contract.
Injured have limited Houli to just 12 games this season. He missed the first three games of the Tigers’ 2021 campaign due to a calf issue, while a syndesmosis injury suffered against Gold Coast in Round 16 forced him to undergo surgery that was set to rule him out for the rest of the season.
However Houli told Triple M on Friday night he was hopeful of returning from injury for Richmond’s Round 23 clash, adding: “I know it’s a little bit late, but hopefully not too late.”
Beyond Round 23, the 33-year-old remains out of contract – and Houli said he “definitely” wants to play on in 2022.
“It’s something that I’ve had in mind before I got injured,” Houli Triple M on Friday night. “Even when I got injured, I asked a question at the football club with those that make decisions with contracts.
“I’m 100 per cent sure that I want to go on. I feel like my body, once it was up and going, it was going really well, I was covering the ground really well and I was playing consistent football.
“I’m not slowing down. I had an injury that wasn’t relevant to my calves, which is a bonus. I definitely want to go on.”
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick, though, remained tight-lipped about Houli’s future when asked to respond to the defender’s comments from earlier in the night.
“From a list management point of view we’ll work our way through that,” Hardwick told reporters post-game. “We don’t discuss those things in the media, so we’ll sit down with Bachar and figure out what that looks like moving forward.”
Triple premiership Lion Jonathan Brown said the Tigers had to make a difficult call on Houli.
“It’s a tough one, but I’d probably lean toward moving in the other direction (not offering him a contract). They’ve got to get some kids through and I think (Noah) Balta and (Nathan) Broad and (David) Astbury would probably be ahead of him in terms of their needs to come back into the side,” Brown told Fox Footy.
St Kilda champion Nick Riewoldt added: “Not for me. (Daniel) Rioli going to half-back, he’s looked pretty good across thee. (Sydney) Stack as well.
“With your senior players, you’ve got to drip them out of the club. You don’t want them leaving at the same time.”
Houli has played 232 AFL games since making his debut in 2007 for Essendon before crossing to Punt Road ahead of the 2011 season.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-bachar-houli-contract-jack-billings-port-adelaide-st-kilda-free-agency-pick/news-story/5480ec0d92216673fad783fb91873018
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I trust and respect him enough that he and the club will make the right call
I do too.
But I think it is going to be a very difficult conversation / call to make
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Just offer him an off-field role to soften the blow.....:shh
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Maybe a rookie pos or a development / coaching role with the reserves
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Houli is a champion of the club however we need to look forward. I would be happy for Houli to play next year at another club. We have Rioli, Stack and Mansell to play his role moving forward.
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Luv you Bach but it's time.
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Former Richmond forward Nathan Brown thinks Houli still has a role to play at Punt Road next season.
“Bachar Houli’s looking for a new contract at the moment – and I’d give him one,” Brown told Channel Nine’s Sunday Footy Show.
“I think they’ve missed him, his calming influence in that back end.
“I think he plays on.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/15/tigers-face-tough-call-on-premiership-defender/
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Id keep him for one more season if he stayed on the right money.
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Yes let's squeeze a kid out so we can get maybe 10 more below average games out of his shot body... :shh
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I could see Bachar going to free up cap space if we believe we are still in the premiership window next year and are looking to bring in player from another club. His position and role can be played by Stack or Mansell.
However, oddly enough I could see us holding onto Bachar if the Club internally believes that our premiership window has shut and we need to rebuild over the next few years towards our next future premiership group. Bachar's been a big promoter of the 'Richmond man' ethos and culture and the Club could keep him around for another year in a leading off-field role to pass that ethos onto the newbies.
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Hence he should stay as a coach/mentor.
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In the same way Ivan Maric has been great for culture keep Houli around for this role only. No senior on field performances please!
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we will see just how infatuated Hardwick is with players.
Probably should not have to have the talk but selfish is selfish and we will see if he has the guts to give him a tap on the shoulder.
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we will see just how infatuated Hardwick is with players.
Probably should not have to have the talk but selfish is selfish and we will see if he has the guts to give him a tap on the shoulder.
Well lets see if Houli has the best interests of the club. He seems like a man who puts others first. This will be a huge test for him and the club.
If he wants to play on he should try his hand in the pre-season draft. An awesome clubman and champion player, however his time is up at the Tigers.
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Bachar has retired
What a career.
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What an awesome career. Selfless call to end it now too. Onya Bash!
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Selfless or tapped on the shoulder? I think the latter.
Despite that, what a club champion. Losing him and Astbury will hurt a lot internally. I hope they find ways to keep them around (ie match day runner, coaching etc).
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A few more to come..
The only word I can articulate is THANKS.
A legend of the Richmond Football Cub.
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Bachar Houli to retire as a 'Tiger for life'
Three-time Richmond premiership defender Bachar Houli has retired from the game, effective immediately.
By Richmond Media - Just now
Three-time Richmond premiership defender Bachar Houli has retired from the game, effective immediately.
Houli played 232 AFL matches, including 206 at Richmond, where he arrived via the pre-season draft prior to the 2011 season, after four years and 26 games with Essendon.
Houli will be remembered as an ultra-consistent performer that thrived in the biggest of games.
The 33-year-old produced three memorable Grand Final performances in each of his premiership victories, finishing runner-up to Dustin Martin for the Norm Smith Medal in both the 2017 and 2019 triumphs.
Houli also fought valiantly throughout the 2020 Grand Final to complete the game despite sustaining a significant calf injury early in the match.
The defensive dasher’s consistency across his full career at Richmond is evident through top 10 Jack Dyer Medal finishes in seven of the past 10 seasons.
Houli was an All Australian during the 2019 premiership campaign, a season where he averaged 28 disposals and 4.8 rebound 50s per game.
Off the field, Houli’s legacy at Richmond will live on for many years to come, with the Bachar Houli Foundation, which Houli founded, building young leaders within the Muslim community.
Based out of the Swinburne Centre, the Foundation aims to support social cohesion by fostering young Muslims with a sense of belonging through sport.
The first Bachar Houli Program, launched in 2013, was the first Muslim Football Academy in Australia. It has since reached over 35,000 participants nationally and will continue to expand.
Houli said his 15-year journey in the AFL had gone by quickly.
“I have been fortunate enough to play at two great clubs, and to be a part of the history of this game,” he added.
“Not only did I want to play as many games as possible, but I wanted to educate Australia, about my faith (and) about the religion of Islam, the religion of peace. I hope I have left a sense of peace in everyone’s heart.
“I sincerely thank the Club and the AFL for allowing me to be me.
“Thank you to the (entire) Richmond Football Club, from Peggy, to the Chief (Brendon Gale), to the amazing Tiger Army... for allowing me to be a part of this amazing organisation.
“It’s time to go fishing, Tiger for life.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1003464/bachar-houli-to-retire-as-a-tiger-for-life-
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Link to his annoucement
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1003470/houli-announces-his-retirement?videoId=1003470&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1629329100001
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how can anyone not love this guy or the club for what they have done over the last 4 years.
great speech, so humble.
These 2 guys have made the transition to our next flag much easier :clapping
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Thanks Bachar
We are all the better for having you at Punt Road, for what you bought to the field and also off the field.
If you have taken the time to listen to him talk over the years id hope everyone has learnt a thing or too.
Kind, humble, loving :bow
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Well done & thank you Bachar
Right call not just for the Club but you as well...
You are indeed a Tiger for Life and for that we are eternally grateful
Great bloke off the field, a true gentleman :clapping
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“Houli to kick a goal. He does…”
*tiger army erupts*
Heaven.
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Wow. What a champion person. Great speech and tribute.
He has been a great player for our club and well deserving of all the accolades he gets. The first of Dustys norm smith medals may have been his if he had of kicked those goals and if Dusty didn’t kick his last one. That one season reiterated his importance to our new style, team structure and our success.
A great speech, I particularly liked and appreciated how he was moved to thank his god in front of all his teammates too and it highlights how much his faith is integrated in all of his life and is wholly part of who he is as a person. I’m sure many people would’ve cringed when he got down on his knees to thank Allah but to me it showed, more importantly, that to him it’s not just a belief, a religion or a tradition but his faith is his life.
Anyway, congratulations Bachar all the best in the rest of your life and hopefully your sons and daughters will be just as good as you
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What a legend!
Indeed a tiger champion got life!
All the best in retirement :clapping
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I have been critical of Bachar in the past but i just cannot help saddened by this. He is a triple premiership player for us but most of all he seems to be just an outstanding person in general.
Congratulations Bachar!
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Lol at Bachar starting his speech by saying “I’ve just signed a three year deal boys”…
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Congrats on a great career Bachar, quality always shows in the end. I'm sure we'll see him around Punt Road for some time, I'd like to see him in an assistant coaching role of some sort.
Three time premiership hero & all round great bloke ... :thumbsup
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Farewell game?
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Farewell game?
Effective immediately would mean no…..
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Like Dave- incredible person and an amazing career :cheers
Selfless act to allow the next generation to make their own history- well done and thank you :clapping
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Came to his senses....hope we offer him an off-field position but sounds like he wants a clean break from footy at least for now... :shh
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Bachar is as important to AFL’s education on being more inclusive as Eddie Betts.
As much as his incredible on field contribution, it’s his humility and preparedness to educate all about his faith that is his most profound achievement and makes me so proud to have him as a Tiger.
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Wow. What a champion person. Great speech and tribute.
He has been a great player for our club and well deserving of all the accolades he gets. The first of Dustys norm smith medals may have been his if he had of kicked those goals and if Dusty didn’t kick his last one. That one season reiterated his importance to our new style, team structure and our success.
A great speech, I particularly liked and appreciated how he was moved to thank his god in front of all his teammates too and it highlights how much his faith is integrated in all of his life and is wholly part of who he is as a person. I’m sure many people would’ve cringed when he got down on his knees to thank Allah but to me it showed, more importantly, that to him it’s not just a belief, a religion or a tradition but his faith is his life.
Anyway, congratulations Bachar all the best in the rest of your life and hopefully your sons and daughters will be just as good as you
That was fantastic showed his dedication to his religion and God more importantly and to be thankful for what you a given in life.Club legend and the work he has done on and off field with Stack and Rioli and Mansell shows.One you will be hard to replace.
What I loved to is he worked on his weaknesses as player and turned them in to strengths so many players don't just take the easy way out.His 2017 and 2019 finals series was fantastic not to mention playing on hurt last year when Dimma told him soldier on.
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My memory of him will that 2017 Grand Final, scoring a goal early and nearly being best afield.
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‘I felt like I had more in the system’: Houli retires effective immediately
By Daniel Cherny and Anthony Colangelo
The Age
August 19, 2021
Bachar Houli has conceded he felt he had more to give to Richmond next year after the triple-premiership hero announced his retirement on Thursday morning.
Houli, 33, hangs up the boots after 232 games across four seasons at Essendon and 11 at the Tigers, where he was an instrumental part of the club’s modern dynasty including earning All-Australian selection two years ago.
Having struggled this season with an ankle injury, Houli has played his last match, in contrast to fellow retiree David Astbury, who will play against Hawthorn on Saturday in what is almost certainly the Tigers’ final game of the season.
However, despite the retirements of Astbury and Houli, and staring at their first finals-free season in five years, Richmond coach Damien Hardwick insists the Tigers are not entering a rebuild.
In a video posted to the Tigers website, Houli – who said last week he had been keen to play on next season - told teammates that the decision had come swiftly.
“Whilst this wasn’t a massive, massive shock, I wasn’t really ready for it,” Houli said.
“I felt like I had more in the system, so I haven’t had much time to think about this speech.”
But Hardwick said on Thursday morning that the decision to retire had ultimately been made by Houli.
“Both of those guys are incredibly selfless, will always put the club first,” Hardwick said.
“Once they sit down in the cold, heart light of day and look at what their career has produced both on and off the field, they put their hand up and decided to retire.
“Bachar was sitting down [this year] and doing tapes with three of the players that would take his position ... they got great learnings from those guys.”
Hardwick lauded the outgoing pair for their cultural contributions to the club.
“Those two guys have been incredible for us both on and off the field. Both retire three-time premiership players, but that’s only really scratching the surface of what both those boys have brought to our club. The legacy that they will leave and they’ve built can’t be measured, and to be honest, they can’t be replaced. It’s going to take a team effort to build our club up again with regards to the quality of those lads and what they’ve brought both on and off the field. It’s been an incredible honour to be a part of their journey and our players can feel incredibly privileged to be a part of their journey,” Hardwick said.
“They’ll always be Richmond men and always be welcome through our doors.”
Houli also thanked the Tiger faithful.
“I have been fortunate enough to play at two great clubs, and to be a part of the history of this game,” Houli said.
“Not only did I want to play as many games as possible, but I wanted to educate Australia, about my faith [and] about the religion of Islam, the religion of peace. I hope I have left a sense of peace in everyone’s heart.
“I sincerely thank the club and the AFL for allowing me to be me.
“It’s time to go fishing, Tiger for life.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/it-s-time-to-go-fishing-tiger-for-life-houli-to-play-last-game-against-hawthorn-20210819-p58k1f.html
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List of players with 25+ disposals, 10+ marks, 5+ tackles and 1+ goals in a V/@AFL Grand Final
BACHAR HOULI (2017)
https://twitter.com/sirswampthing/status/1428171832486625284
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Well done Bachar. Fantastic retirement speech-humble and humorous. Made the right decision to retire. Will never forget his performance in 2017 in Grand Final. He stood up in the biggest game and was very unlucky not to win the norm smith. Has made a great contribution to not only the club but also to the general community.
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Barrett today:
IF ...
on Triple M on Friday August 13 you are directly asked: "Do you think you want to go on in 2022"? and you instantly reply with: "I'm 100 per cent sure I want to go on" ...
THEN ...
the decision announced publicly six days later not to play has clearly been made by others. And as always, Bachar Houli dealt with it with pure class.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/666558/if-there-are-demons-supporters-obsessed-by-omens-then
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Barrett reckons other clubs will chase Houli to come out of retirement and go on elsewhere.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/666806/listen-aa-selectors-big-problem-clubs-will-call-this-retired-star
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The mind might be wiiling but the body isn’t.
Thanks for the memories Bachar :clapping
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We've been so fortunate to have this bloke on our list. But for Dusty, he wins two Norm Smiths, and gutsed out last year's GF with a popped calf. Plus he is a superb leader and catalyst for inclusion and positive change. What more can you ask of a player?
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We've been so fortunate to have this bloke on our list. But for Dusty, he wins two Norm Smiths, and gutsed out last year's GF with a popped calf. Plus he is a superb leader and catalyst for inclusion and positive change. What more can you ask of a player?
x2 :clapping
And he only cost us a PSD pick. We effectively got a 3-time premiership player for nothing.
Once again Bachar has put the club first. Unselfish to the end.
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Listening to houli after the game does anyone else get the feeling he will play on next year?
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I hope he takes on a coaching , developing or mentoring around the club, champion fellow who has done a lot more than play football for our club
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Agree with all the above
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I hope he takes on a coaching , developing or mentoring around the club, champion fellow who has done a lot more than play football for our club
His focus will be his academy which is based at Punt Road.
He will always be there if anyone at the club needs him
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WP we need to keep these legends close to the club as they retire , one of the things we failed at was after the 60s and 70s era finished we let too many champions drift away
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Shame he didn't get a farewell game.
But they will get a lap in the homecoming hero thing which will be wonderful.
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my money is bachar playing on at another club.
if a club wants him he has as good as gone IMO.
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Anyone share what was written today by the Sun behind paywall.
Says he was 'angry' and 'resentful' over being retired. Which would be absolute rubbish.
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Anyone share what was written today by the Sun behind paywall.
Says he was 'angry' and 'resentful' over being retired. Which would be absolute rubbish.
Sounds like absolute garbage to me
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If it’s behind a paywall then it’s probably not true
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Houli ‘angry and resentful’ over retirement
Forced into retiring from Richmond, an angry and resentful Bachar Houli is determined to get super fit over summer and shine for another club next season.
HOULI RETIREMENT HAUNTS HIM
Retired Tiger Bachar Houli wants to play for another AFL club in 2022.
Houli was forced into calling time on Thursday by the Tigers, a decision he already regrets.
The club offered him a farewell game against Hawthorn at the MCG yesterday but he decided against playing one last game for the yellow and black in the hope of wearing another club’s colours next season.
Houli woke up Friday morning angry and resentful, seeking counsel from friends as to what he should do.
But one club Houli was keen on playing for next year told Sheahan Ink Houli’s age and injuries would rule him out of contention.
The 33-year-old managed just 12 games this year, and 13 in 2020.
According to Houli insiders, Richmond told him he would be re-signed for next season during the year, but the club’s ordinary finish forced them into making the tough decision.
He has vowed to train throughout the summer in order to impress potential suitors.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hawks-mcrae-leads-field-for-collingwood-coach-as-houli-laments-retirement/news-story/bd353f47c04102aae42811fcfcc1c511
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Houli ‘angry and resentful’ over retirement
Forced into retiring from Richmond, an angry and resentful Bachar Houli is determined to get super fit over summer and shine for another club next season.
HOULI RETIREMENT HAUNTS HIM
Retired Tiger Bachar Houli wants to play for another AFL club in 2022.
Houli was forced into calling time on Thursday by the Tigers, a decision he already regrets.
The club offered him a farewell game against Hawthorn at the MCG yesterday but he decided against playing one last game for the yellow and black in the hope of wearing another club’s colours next season.
Houli woke up Friday morning angry and resentful, seeking counsel from friends as to what he should do.
But one club Houli was keen on playing for next year told Sheahan Ink Houli’s age and injuries would rule him out of contention.
The 33-year-old managed just 12 games this year, and 13 in 2020.
According to Houli insiders, Richmond told him he would be re-signed for next season during the year, but the club’s ordinary finish forced them into making the tough decision.
He has vowed to train throughout the summer in order to impress potential suitors.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hawks-mcrae-leads-field-for-collingwood-coach-as-houli-laments-retirement/news-story/bd353f47c04102aae42811fcfcc1c511
Houli needs to think about this over the next few weeks. Time is up at the highest level and he should take the decision on the chin.
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Not sure if this is true.
Doesn't sound like him.
But if it's true it's a damned shame because he is clearly past it and I'd hate to lose him to the club.
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Who wrote this rubbish? Sam lansberger again??
I think someone may offer him a year like say a suns. In his speech he referenced he thought he had more to give didn’t get?
Hope I’m wrong and he goes out on a high, because he is an absolute legend of our club. That 2017 GF was so good.
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Who wrote this rubbish? Sam lansberger again??
I think someone may offer him a year like say a suns. In his speech he referenced he thought he had more to give didn’t get?
Hope I’m wrong and he goes out on a high, because he is an absolute legend of our club. That 2017 GF was so good.
As it doesn't list any writer but refers to "Sheahan Ink" makes me think it is Tony "Mike's Son" Sheahan who has very little credibility...
And the article is the sort of trash he'd come up with to attempt to stay relevant in AFL circles
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:lol :lol :lol
sheehan well you dont say. Even better than landsberger.
Throw cornes and jabba in there too for good measure, and we have the moscow circus on full display.
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It came across that he was forced into the decision and wasn’t happy about it during his speech …
Hope it doesn’t happen .. but it could and more fool the team that does it , because he’s clearly gonzo
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Who wrote this rubbish? Sam lansberger again??
I think someone may offer him a year like say a suns. In his speech he referenced he thought he had more to give didn’t get?
Hope I’m wrong and he goes out on a high, because he is an absolute legend of our club. That 2017 GF was so good.
As it doesn't list any writer but refers to "Sheahan Ink" makes me think it is Tony "Mike's Son" Sheahan who has very little credibility...
And the article is the sort of trash he'd come up with to attempt to stay relevant in AFL circles
Can confirm Sheahan Ink is a column Tony Sheahan writes for the HUN
Enough said really
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This is rubbish journalism. We are quickly becoming British tabloid type stuff, no quotes on here at all just rumour rubbish.
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Who wrote this rubbish? Sam lansberger again??
I think someone may offer him a year like say a suns. In his speech he referenced he thought he had more to give didn’t get?
Hope I’m wrong and he goes out on a high, because he is an absolute legend of our club. That 2017 GF was so good.
As it doesn't list any writer but refers to "Sheahan Ink" makes me think it is Tony "Mike's Son" Sheahan who has very little credibility...
And the article is the sort of trash he'd come up with to attempt to stay relevant in AFL circles
Can confirm Sheahan Ink is a column Tony Sheahan writes for the HUN
Enough said really
:lol please say no more.
I have heard enough.
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Gone fishing.
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A mate of a mate of a mate who knows Houli said the article was rubbish. Houli was initially disappointed but accepts the position. Was not angry and the chances of him playing anywhere else next year are as good as our premiership hopes this year.
Cannot guarantee this just passing on what I was told
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Tony Sheahan has form for making up stories. He has about no credibility as a journalist. Deadset Oxygen thief..
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It came across that he was forced into the decision and wasn’t happy about it during his speech …
Hope it doesn’t happen .. but it could and more fool the team that does it , because he’s clearly gonzo
I didn’t get that impression at all
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No bites yet for big fish Houli
Bachar Houli’s footy farewell last Saturday is likely to remain a permanent one.
The triple premiership defender had been keen to play on next year, but Richmond did not offer him a new contract for 2022.
It gave rise to speculation a rival club might be willing to offer the 33-year-old a one-year lifeline on a budget wage.
It is understood no club has yet come forward and while that can always change in this fluid AFL industry, Houli has come to terms with his retirement.
He does really intend to “go fishing” when restrictions allow and he is looking to spend more time and energy on his family and the Bachar Houli Foundation, which has long been his passion.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-follow-the-latest-player-movement-information-about-your-club/news-story/4a783b98d849c451c2c906bd03178c63
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THE PLAYERS WHO MADE THE MOST OF THEIR OPPORTUNITIES AT A NEW CLUB
These are the top 5 according to Matthew Lloyd.
2. Bachar Houli
Essendon -> Richmond
“He spoke about how he didn’t enjoy his four years at Essendon.
“He had checked out, then James Hird replaced Matthew Knights. Hird made a plea, ‘Bachar, I’ll play you’, but by that time Bachar’s head was with the Richmond Football Club.
“Three-time premiership player. He went on and had a great career.
“I’ll admit, I didn’t think Bachar would be the player he became at Richmond from what I saw.
“I didn’t think he was hard enough and competitive enough to make it, but it was a lack of confidence that I think the coaching staff and Matty Knights had in him at the time.
“Gets some love from Richmond and just blossoms into an amazing player.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/04/the-players-who-made-the-most-of-their-opportunities-at-a-new-club/
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LET IT BE, LET IT GO: Inside the real Bachar Houli story
From Spotswood to flag hero, Bachar Houli opens up on his AFL journey, family, and faith:
Watch here: https://www.afl.com.au/video/686171/let-it-be-let-it-go-inside-the-real-bachar-houli-story
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Bachar Houli Tribute video:
(https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/sportal_com_au/51/8c/bachar-houli_160jm2wan19quz698aqx1vcm5.jpg?t=-733226706&quality=100) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSeJ3BeKexU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSeJ3BeKexU
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Lovely vid. Hell of a player and person. Timing was correct though - really hope he stays around the club.
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The game Bachar enjoyed despite injury and loss
IN TODAY'S AFL Daily, retired Richmond flag hero Bachar Houli opens up on his AFL journey, family, and faith.
LISTEN HERE: https://omny.fm/shows/afl-daily/fascinating-insights-into-the-mind-of-an-extraordi
- Houli reveals how football has taught him so many lessons in life, including 'maturity'
- 'After hardship comes ease' – Houli inspired by Quran text
- The power of 'positivity'
- 'Control what you can control – and that is your state (of mind) at that given moment'
- 'Anyone can walk into this country and pick up a football, or walk into a local club, and feel safe'
In this episode ...
0:35 – Bachar Houli's family and introduction to footy
2:10 – Career beginnings, and valuable lessons
3:26 – Richmond's run of success and what drove it
5:29 – Footballing twilight
6:28 – Houli's community passion
https://www.afl.com.au/news/686825/afl-daily-podcastlisten-the-game-bachar-houli-enjoyed-despite-not-winning
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Inside the real Bachar Houli story
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1030571/inside-the-real-bachar-houli-story
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Former Richmond star Bachar Houli highlights work with marginalised youth after retiring from AFL
AFL star Bachar Houli has made a surprise career move, outlining his next step during a major speech in Melbourne.
Holly Hales
HeraldSun
December 15, 2021
Former AFL star Bachar Houli has revealed his first major move post-football, entering a new employment partnership through his foundation.
The Richmond veteran, who retired after the 2021 season, has joined forces with Lendlease and his old club to help diverse youth enter the construction industry.
As part of the initiative, young Victorians from under-represented backgrounds are encouraged to join the typically traditionally homogeneous sector.
“I think (working towards diversity) comes from the sincerity within us and wanting to see our youth, both male and female, grow into society and feel like part of society,” he said.
“The reason we introduced a program that was different to football and leadership is because we’ve seen underrepresentation for young Muslims who have names such as Mohammed, Ahmed walking around trying to get a job in an industry, but they were rejected because of their name.”
Mr Houli, who was the AFL’s first devote Muslim player, started his eponymous foundation almost a decade ago with the aim to develop young leaders within the Islamic community.
“In 2012 we started with two staff members. We’ve grown to 12 unique programs and 10 full time staff, and reach over 5,000 participants,” he said.
“We felt like it was a need to dig deep and give our fellow younger Muslims an opportunity in the work force and give them an opportunity to feel like part of society. They’ve got a right to.”
Lendlease’s general manager for building in Victoria, Bill Alexandrakis, said the partnership would ensure the construction industry fulfils its “responsibility” to encourage a diverse workforce.
“As an industry of over 1.1 million people, we have a responsibility and obligation as a major Australian-owned contractor to provide long-term career pathways for priority cohorts,” he said.
“We must ensure the talent and workforce across our projects reflects the diversity of the communities in which we operate.”
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/former-richmond-star-bachar-houli-highlights-work-with-marginalised-youth-after-retiring-from-afl/news-story/c9a0ad09254365bf1c264c78cff42ca7
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The Australian Pavilion at Expo 2020 Dubai announced on Monday that Bachar Houli, Australian Football League’s top ranked Muslim player from the Richmond Club, and young Muslim footballers from Bachar Houli Youth Football Academy, will conduct Aussie Rules football workshops at Expo 2020 in the lead up to Australia’s National Day celebrations. The workshops will take place on 27-29 January 2022 at Aussie Park at Expo 2020 Dubai.
As a showcase of Australia’s rich sporting culture, Bachar Houli will conduct the ‘Skills and Thrills’ public workshop on 27th and 28th January 2022, and the ‘National Day Exhibition Match & AFL Clinic’ on 29th January 2022, both at Aussie Park.
https://www.gulftoday.ae/news/2022/01/10/bachar-houli-to-run-workshops-at-expo-2020
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The phone call that convinced Richmond’s Bachar Houli he’s done
Peter Ryan
The Age
March 15, 2022 — 9.12pm
At this time of year, recently retired footballers often discover a pang to play that has laid dormant all summer.
That’s not the case for Richmond’s triple premiership player Bachar Houli, who told the MCG season’s launch on Tuesday that a recent phone call from Tigers’ talent manager Blair Hartley convinced him he was finished.
Hartley, a huge fan of Houli, had rung to see whether the 33-year-old had any interest in being added to the club’s COVID-19 top-up list.
Houli said Hartley prefaced his question by giving him an out, saying he could tell him to get stuffed at any point in the conversation.
“[Hartley] said ‘with this rule we can potentially call you up to play. All you have to do is sign one form. You don’t have to train, no training, no people, no ...’ I said, ‘Blair, go get stuffed’,” Houli joked.
“That just goes to show how much I am enjoying life at the moment.”
Never one to let football dominate his life, he even revealed that he had not realised the Tigers’ season was starting on Thursday night, and he had two outings unrelated to footy already booked, meaning he would probably miss the clash.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-phone-call-that-convinced-richmond-s-bachar-houli-he-s-done-20220315-p5a4rr.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true
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Salty? A shame could be a good top up.
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Salty? A shame could be a good top up.
Salty? No, Bachar's sense of humour coming through.
A bloke with a beautiful wife and 3 small kids enjoying life after footy :clapping
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I hope not, would he such a shame
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Houli In Hospital after a car accident, hoping for a quick recovery
Richmond premiership star Bachar Houli injured in a serious car accident while camping with friends. Airlifted back to Melbourne over the weekend with serious injuries which include a broken pelvis - Jon Ralph
@RalphyHeraldSun
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Just when we thought our night couldn't get any worse
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Breaking - Richmond’s Marlion Pickett is tonight in custody in Perth.
Has been arrested and charged in relation to alleged aggravated burglary, stealing & criminal damage offences across Dec + Jan in WA.
Faces court tomorrow.
More shortly at half-time on @7AFL
@7NewsMelbourne
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Just when we thought our night couldn't get any worse
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Breaking - Richmond’s Marlion Pickett is tonight in custody in Perth.
Has been arrested and charged in relation to alleged aggravated burglary, stealing & criminal damage offences across Dec + Jan in WA.
Faces court tomorrow.
More shortly at half-time on @7AFL
@7NewsMelbourne
From John Ralph's Twitter
"Richmond premiership star Bachar Houli injured in a serious car accident while camping with friends. Airlifted back to Melbourne over the weekend with serious injuries which include a broken pelvis"
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Mitch Cleary on 7 just said Bachar's family says he is in a stable condition but as WP posted Bachar has broken bones as a result of the car crash.
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Pretty awful news. Hope Bachar has full recovery.
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Pretty awful news. Hope Bachar has full recovery.
Ditto
Good luck Bachar
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Bloody hell....never a dull moment following this club..... :lightning
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Richmond legend Bachar Houli ‘a little spooked’ after crash as doctors mull surgery
Marta Pascual Juanola and Carla Jaeger
The Age
June 12, 2023 — 12.32pm
Retired Richmond premiership player Bachar Houli might need to undergo surgery for a broken pelvis in Melbourne after suffering serious injuries when a ute rolled near Canberra at the weekend.
Houli was on a camping trip with his brother-in-law and a close cousin when the ute they were travelling in lost traction while going downhill and rolled at a farm on Sunday morning.
Houli suffered multiple fractures in the incident and was initially taken as a non-critical patient to Albury Base Hospital by ambulance.
He was later flown to Royal Melbourne Hospital, where he was in stable condition on Monday morning.
Houli’s older brother, Dr Nezor Houli, said the retired footballer remained in good spirits despite his injuries, showing a “typical Bachar calm demeanour”.
“Bachar was seen by me and his brothers this morning at Royal Melbourne Hospital,” Dr Houli, a general, liver and pancreatic surgeon, said.
“He might need surgery on the pelvis in the next 24 hours and family will be updated. Please pray and make dua [an Islamic prayer used to ask for assistance from God] for quick recovery.”
Academic and TV personality Waleed Aly, a close friend of Houli, was among those visiting the former footballer in the hospital.
“It’s a fairly decent road back, but there’s nothing life-threatening,” Aly said. “It’s just a bit of a shock.
“The really great thing is that there doesn’t seem to be any head injury involved.”
Aly said after the crash Houli’s phone landed next to him, meaning one of the passengers could call for help to the private property. The owner of the property also rushed to the group’s aid.
“The main theme of his talking seemed to be how easily it could’ve been so much worse … that’s what he seemed to be turning over in his head,” Aly said.
“I think he’s a little bit spooked, but he’s taking it really easily.”
Houli’s brother-in-law was taken to Canberra Hospital for treatment, where he remained in stable condition on Monday. His cousin wasn’t injured in the crash.
Houli, 35, retired in 2021 after 232 AFL games in a career that started at Essendon but blossomed at the Tigers, where he was a pivotal member of the three premiership teams (2017, 2019 and 2020).
A spokeswoman for Richmond confirmed on Monday the club was aware of the incident, but were awaiting more details before commenting.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-legend-bachar-houli-a-little-spooked-after-crash-as-doctors-mull-surgery-20230612-p5dfs0.html
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Best wishes to Bachar and his family for a speedy recovery.
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Get well soon champ.
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Glad to hear Bach and the other two fellas are all in stable conditions.
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7news report tonight about Bachar:
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1668174037678436353
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Benny Gale said Bachar is in a pretty bad way. He's being operated on today. Thankfully, Bachar is going to make a good recovery albeit it will be a long recovery.
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Gale also provided an update on retired three-time premiership hero Bachar Houli, who was involved in a serious car accident on Sunday, which resulted in a broken pelvis, shoulder and punctured lung. Senior leader Trent Cotchin has visited his former teammate in hospital.
"He's in a pretty bad way, Bachar. He got banged up and sustained some serious injuries. He's being operated on as we speak, but thankfully, he's going to make a good recovery. It's going to be a long one, there's a long road ahead, but that's positive news," Gale said.
"The member of his extended family, Khaled, we're also very mindful of at the moment, he's in intensive care, but he's making good progress and thankfully we expect him to recover as well.
"[Houli] is obviously very dear to our hearts at this club and to football in general."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/950130/tigers-make-a-call-on-pickett-after-court-hearing).
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An update from Bachar himself.
https://twitter.com/BHFoundationAU/status/1672199415170482176
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Richmond great Bachar Houli provides hospital update after horror car crash in Canberra during camping weekend: 'I'm grateful to have another opportunity in life'
By DAN CANCIAN
DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
24 June 2023
Richmond great Bachar Houli said he was grateful to have 'another opportunity in life' as he shared an emotional update from hospital, almost two weeks after surviving a serious car crash.
The 35-year-old was airlifted to a Melbourne hospital on June 12 after he suffered a broken pelvis and other fractures when his ute rolled following a camping weekend with friends.
The former three-time premiership star retired in 2021 after an illustrious career, comprising 232 games, including 26 with Essendon and 206 with Richmond.
'I hope everyone’s having a fantastic day. I just wanted to share this short message as a means of gratitude,' Houli said in a video he shared on Instagram.
'I just wanted to show my gratitude for all those caring people out here who have asked about my progress.
'I’ve had a successful operation for my pelvis, which had a fair bit of damage in it. That’s obviously taken care of.'
Houli's brother-in-law Khaled was also involved in the crash, which occurred near Canberra.
Khaled was is reported to have suffered a more serious condition, but his circumstances remain unclear.
'The fact that I’m able to breathe again, to have another opportunity in life that the Almighty has given me,' Houli, a devout Muslim, said.
'Because it could’ve been very well been much worse.
'He truly tests those who he loves. I’m taking it to mean that the Almighty loves me and he’s put me through this test. And there’s wisdom behind it.
'Thank you everyone for your support. I really, really appreciate it. Inshallah god willing I can catch up with you all and share some smiles.
'But the good thing is I’m in good spirits and good care. Extremely great care.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-12227547/Richmond-great-Bachar-Houli-provides-hospital-update-horror-car-crash-Canberra.html
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Houli opens up: Peace, purpose and his brush with death
Scott Gullan
HeraldSun
24 November 2023
It was Bachar Houli’s favourite trip of the year, a fishing and hunting adventure up to the Murray Region in NSW.
The trip to the Bringenbrong property combined two of his greatest passions in life and on this particularly cold June morning, Houli was excited about what lay ahead.
For the previous three years he’d come to the same place, along with his brother-in-law Khaled and a friend, where they’d share dinner each night with the farmer and his family who owned the property.
It was a great escape and one of the highlights of the trip was always the early morning wild deer hunt.
As usual there was a sense of excitement among the trio as they set off with Houli driving his Jeep across the rugged terrain with the Snowy Mountains in the distance.
The usual banter between them was flying thick and fast before suddenly there was silence. And then the screams.
Houli doesn’t recall exactly what happened next. He remembers briefly being in mid-air and then waking up in the field.
“It happened too quick,” Houli explains. “I was in mid-air, not even 10 seconds then bang. I got spat outside, thrown out of the roof and knocked out.
“It turns out we’d slipped on a little ledge and then the slope of the mountain got the better of me. The car tipped over and off it went. I did everything right, you look back and ask, could I have done anything different? Not one thing I could have done differently, it was just this one slip.”
While his brother-in-law remained in the ute as it rolled, Houli’s friend did the smart thing and jumped out which potentially saved their lives.
“It’s funny because we always bag him for not taking risks, not being a risk taker yet he was the smart one who jumped out,” Houli said.
“If we didn’t have our mate jump out of the car then things could have been much worse.
“It was a Sunday morning, the farmer wasn’t working and normally the farmer has dinner with us every night but we weren’t actually having dinner with him that night because he had plans elsewhere so it could have been a couple of days before anyone found us.
“God saved us. We have done something right in our life and we live another day to tell the story.”
When he regained consciousness Houli knew he was in serious trouble. The pain was intense and he could barely move. Thankfully, his mobile phone had landed near-by and they were able to call for help.
Houli, who had suffered multiple fractures, was initially taken to Albury Base Hospital before being flown to Royal Melbourne Hospital. Khaled was rushed to Canberra Hospital where he was placed in intensive care.
Five months on and Houli is sitting in a cafe in Altona North a relieved and happy man. He’s just been out fishing on his boat by himself, something he’s only just recently been able to do again.
The injury toll of the crash was a broken pelvis in multiple areas and a badly ruptured rotator cuff of his right shoulder which saw tendons torn off the bone.
He was in hospital for two weeks, confined to a wheelchair for another 10 weeks. He still struggles lifting up his right arm while running, which was his favourite way to remain fit, is off the agenda.
Throughout his 15-year AFL career Houli had avoided any serious injuries with the regulation hamstring, calf and groin strains his biggest issues.
He admits he still had the football mentality in the initial stages of his recovery, thinking he’d be back and up and moving quickly.
“The surgeon kept saying you’re in a bad position, don’t think this is a three-month thing and you are going to walk and start running,” Houli said.
“The whole time I thought I wasn’t that bad but he kept saying this is long-term, it’s a six to 12 month recovery at least.”
One thing the accident did do was force him to watch football again. Since he retired at the end of 2021 after 232 games and three premierships, the 35-year-old hasn’t engaged with the AFL.
“I don’t miss it,” he says. “The only footy I watched, we’re talking proper consecutive footy, was when I got hurt with the accident because I had no choice, sitting in bed watching every single game. I had my time, 15 years in the system I was able to achieve what I wanted to achieve. I go into the club and see the boys now and then, they ask me how it is. I’m fishing, I’m hunting, I’m working in the Foundation, I’m loving life.
“I’m very content, I could have gone on for another year or two and if it had of come my way I probably would have accepted it but it (retirement) definitely came at a good time.
“There were two things I wanted out of footy, health and good form and they are two things I guess I ticked the box.”
The brush with death – his brother-in-law is thankfully also on the road to recovery – certainly heightened Houli’s perspective on life.
“It was scary but what got me through is two things, the element of faith in my life and always being grateful for every opportunity,” he explains.
“Even when I’m in a wheelchair I can still talk, I am still able to communicate, still able to see my family.
“The other thing is there is always somebody worse off so be grateful regardless. It comes back to gratitude, the biggest thing for me is my faith, it helped me in footy, helped me in life and will continue to help me for life.
“I know what my true purpose is in this life.”
NEW VENTURE
Houli’s new purpose is the Islamic College of Sport, the latest project in his quest to develop young leaders within the Muslim community.
It is his biggest and boldest project yet after he started his community work a decade ago through football programs. Then in 2019 he established the Bachar Houli Foundation which creates employment pathways and promotes social cohesion and inclusion for young Muslims through football.
His first football academy back in 2013 went for two days for 50 Year 7-8 students. Now he has 12 programs nationally, male and female, and over the journey they have reached more than 35,000 participants.
The Foundation has a foothold in five states, with two employees in each, while its employment program has provided 30 traineeships with 80 per cent of participants receiving full-time employment across the AFL.
Houli loves helping young people from his community succeed and he sees the school, which opens in Coburg next year, as a game-changer.
They are starting slowly with just 25 students at Year 11 level with Year 12 to be added in 2025. The big picture plan is to expand through Year 7-12 with multiple campuses around Melbourne.
The school is aimed at giving young Muslim students the opportunity to pursue their passion for sport in a religiously and culturally welcoming environment. Students will receive the Victorian Certificate of Education – Vocational Major – at the end of their studies.
“We are the first in the world to open something with the faith aspect to it,” Houli explains. “Ultimately these kids love sport but clearly haven’t found the balance between sport and education.
“Here they are going to pursue sport but still get some sort of achievement and certificate in education. And in a safe environment where they can feel comfortable about their faith.”
“We got this idea through conversations we had with many of our academy students. A lot of these students have gone to Islamic schools all their life and then all of sudden for them to transition to a normal school, the parents find it a little bit hard.
“There is a gap and we identified the gap that needed to be filled.
“Where we are excited about is there will be a high performance sport program intertwining the curriculum and it will be multi-sport, not just football but also sports like cricket, basketball, soccer and taekwondo.”
The students will be mentored by experts in each field including Olympic 800m runner Peter Bol, former St Kilda player Ahmed Saad, who is the Foundation’s program manager, and former Victorian cricketer Fawad Ahmed.
Houli talks a lot about the “power of sport”. He was fortunate to experience that in the AFL while so many of his friends never got their chance because they fell through the cracks with no programs or role models in place to guide them.
“We know the power of sport and what it can do,” he says. “I’m so passionate about giving more of our youth an opportunity through sport and then they will be the example for the next generation to come.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-premiership-hero-bachar-houli-opens-up-on-horror-car-crash-his-new-purpose-and-why-he-wants-peace-in-gaza/news-story/6c3c5423563cfd1aad5ba28dca82ee19