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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hellenic Tiger on June 08, 2014, 11:32:46 PM
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Crowd was just on 33k
then it looked like about 20,000 Norf people and about 13,000 Richmond people. Shocking indictment on our club I reckon.
Well think about it Ramps, seems most people on this forum weren't at the game. From what I'm reading there looks like there was only 3 of us at the game
Me you and Jack WP.
Jack was with his family, I left the warmth of my house and my wife and 3 yr old to witness that abomination.
:wallywink
WP whatever your reasoning.... anyway enough said. :help
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Me you and Jack WP.
Jack was with his family, I left the warmth of my house and my wife and 3 yr old to witness that abomination.
:wallywink
WP whatever your reasoning.... anyway enough said. :help
My reasoning has always been pretty simple, I go very week because I loved this Club
Sadly right now, I don't care about it and don't respect it because they are dishonest. What we got tonight in the 2nd half was simply dishonest
Think the club is facing a massive crisis and I'm not talking about on field either. They need to understand and they face losing people like me and others who's support has been unconditional.
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Me you and Jack WP.
Jack was with his family, I left the warmth of my house and my wife and 3 yr old to witness that abomination.
:wallywink
WP whatever your reasoning.... anyway enough said. :help
My reasoning has always been pretty simple, I go very week because I loved this Club
Sadly right now, I don't care about it and don't respect it because they are dishonest. What we got tonight in the 2nd half was simply dishonest
Think the club is facing a massive crisis and I'm not talking about on field either. They need to understand and they face losing people like me and others who's support has been unconditional.
Agree on all points. :thumbsup
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Me you and Jack WP.
Jack was with his family, I left the warmth of my house and my wife and 3 yr old to witness that abomination.
:wallywink
WP whatever your reasoning.... anyway enough said. :help
My reasoning has always been pretty simple, I go very week because I loved this Club
Sadly right now, I don't care about it and don't respect it because they are dishonest. What we got tonight in the 2nd half was simply dishonest
Think the club is facing a massive crisis and I'm not talking about on field either. They need to understand and they face losing people like me and others who's support has been unconditional.
i think also the way the game has gone and is going is another reason for this. not just at richmond either.
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For the first time that I can remember I'm actually losing interest in the footy.
Maybe it's because last year gave me hope. But I just got myself into a state of mind where I expected more than complete misery like every other year. Has made this year even harder to stomach.
Gold membership.
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Me you and Jack WP.
Jack was with his family, I left the warmth of my house and my wife and 3 yr old to witness that abomination.
:wallywink
WP whatever your reasoning.... anyway enough said. :help
My reasoning has always been pretty simple, I go very week because I loved this Club
Sadly right now, I don't care about it and don't respect it because they are dishonest. What we got tonight in the 2nd half was simply dishonest
Think the club is facing a massive crisis and I'm not talking about on field either. They need to understand and they face losing people like me and others who's support has been unconditional.
I had a good record of consecutive Richmond games at the MCG. Don't think I missed one from around 95 till last year when I was best man at a mates wedding. Wasn't happy. Missed a Collingwood loss.
Wife and I had our first child early Feb. Haven't been to the footy since the Dees loss. I'm worried about when will be the next time I go to be honest. Would rather spend some time with something that gives back.
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I go every week even interstate games
Have decided I won't be travelling in round 23.
Have booked for the other interstate games we have left and will go to those but round 23 no way in hell
I simply just don't care anymore
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It's not only the loss. It's the way we lose.
We just find new ways to break the hearts of members and supporters.
Then when you add a 3 finals campaign since 1982 supplemented with either bitter infighting at board level or poor financial mismanagement, added with the off field playing side of things making the same mistakes over and over again and you find that the fans are losing their passion.
I was too young to revel in the glory of the 1980 premiership and I wasn't born till after the 74 flag but having gone to the footy in the late 80's and early 90's and then making that pre season final in 93 followed up with our finals campaign and comeback against Essendon in 1995 you could feel the passion of the fans both old and young as was the case for me in my early 20's.
Even in the bad reigns of Walls and Gieschen there was a real passion amongst the fans.
It wasn't until the last few years of Spud's reign where many fans started to develop a darkside concept regarding the club that things would never be the same and that the club was always destined to fail given the decisions made and the sins of the past.
I can remember even Benny Gale early in 2010 possibly around the time of the launch of 3-0-75 and he was doing the rounds of all the footy talk shows and him saying something along the lines of RFC having not only passionate fans but loyal and patient ones given the clubs lack of success and basically given the imminent introduction of GC17 and GWS this was virtually the last chance the board had to get things right before people would be sick of these 5 yr coaching cycles turning into new era's starting from scratch.
Well guess what we are here again 5 yrs into Dimma's tenure and I feel hollow and empty. I take pleasure in mocking the club that I have loved for so long yet at the same time I feel cold and aloof to the tragedy that is the RFC. I have no passion for the RFC, I just have a feeling of being non-plussed without a care in the world.
I said to a friend I am going to the footy with no expectation much like I did in 2010 but in 2010 we had a group of kids lining up each week now I am just kidding myself.
It is not so much a meek point that the club needs to admit to me and our supporter base that we have failed in some areas and although its not a total failure we are prepared to do this right and go down the right trusted path as opposed to the kwik e mart version. I saw this under Wallace and Frawley and feel the same is about to occur where Richmond is ready to enter the black abyss where the next 3 years will be a waste of time effort and money much like the 2003 Greg Miller statement where he said we were four years away and then in 2007 saying 2011 was our time and we all know how that turned out.
I don't know what I want from the club and I don't know what the club can offer me right now.
Just hollow and empty. Not gutted gutted was Round 1 2009 or Elim final last year but eve then by the time I got home I was over it given where we were in 2013 and what was perceived to be ahead of us.
Whatever it is my emotive state footy wise is non existent and I have you RFC to blame for this.
Thanks for giving me overall nothing to hang my hat whilst I have given you my loyalty, time and money.
We thought tonight Nought fans outnumbered us. The Freo fans will be making more noise than us on Saturday let me assure you as when you have gone to the well as long as we have for no drink anger and frustration turns into being non-plussed where your care factor is zero.
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I go every week even interstate games
Have decided I won't be travelling in round 23.
Have booked for the other interstate games we have left and will go to those but round 23 no way in hell
I simply just don't care anymore
This sort of stuff saddens me most.
Best mate of mine has moved further out of the city and has also lost interest in going to the footy which means I either go by myself or organise another mate or family member. Not rocket science but another example of some sad stories of Tiger fans losing interest. Something in my time have never seen. A lot of the Tiger loyalty I put down to players like Richo who just always gave us something to go and watch. We need a modern day Richo if we are going to be dishonest as we were tonight.
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I go every week even interstate games
Have decided I won't be travelling in round 23.
Have booked for the other interstate games we have left and will go to those but round 23 no way in hell
I simply just don't care anymore
This sort of stuff saddens me most.
Best mate of mine has moved further out of the city and has also lost interest in going to the footy which means I either go by myself or organise another mate or family member. Not rocket science but another example of some sad stories of Tiger fans losing interest. Something in my time have never seen. A lot of the Tiger loyalty I put down to players like Richo who just always gave us something to go and watch. We need a modern day Richo if we are going to be dishonest as we were tonight.
Same here Pope. One of four schoolfriends who went to the footy for years. Even with our girlfriends who are now our wives we went where the girls got on and us blokes would dissect everything RFC.
Now down to me and a few of the boys come with me to away games whilst I have upgraded my membership and am a 3121 coterie club member.
I know a few of my mates had kids and their jobs etc bur so do I yet on a weekend I juggle my time with my family and go to the games without fail and if there is a family function on I seethe. First thing I do is look at the fixture when it's released to see if it clashes with birthdays or being Greek Name Days etc and am already plotting how to get out of going to a family do if there is a clash.
I don't know why I love the club and maybe just maybe if we had some level of success I wouldn't be the way I am where not going to a game is not an option and if it is I am counting the days to the next game hoping that we aint playing interstate and I am missing my fair share.
I'm just hollow right now. Call it emotionally detatched or unemotionally attatched whatever it is I am sick of this and rather than make a statement of I am going to do this or that or I'm nor going or whatever I honestly do not know what to do with regards to this. Possibly time to re evaluate my priorities.
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It's not only the loss. It's the way we lose.
We just find new ways to break the hearts of members and supporters.
Then when you add a 3 finals campaign since 1982 supplemented with either bitter infighting at board level or poor financial mismanagement, added with the off field playing side of things making the same mistakes over and over again and you find that the fans are losing their passion.
I was too young to revel in the glory of the 1980 premiership and I wasn't born till after the 74 flag but having gone to the footy in the late 80's and early 90's and then making that pre season final in 93 followed up with our finals campaign and comeback against Essendon in 1995 you could feel the passion of the fans both old and young as was the case for me in my early 20's.
Even in the bad reigns of Walls and Gieschen there was a real passion amongst the fans.
It wasn't until the last few years of Spud's reign where many fans started to develop a darkside concept regarding the club that things would never be the same and that the club was always destined to fail given the decisions made and the sins of the past.
I can remember even Benny Gale early in 2010 possibly around the time of the launch of 3-0-75 and he was doing the rounds of all the footy talk shows and him saying something along the lines of RFC having not only passionate fans but loyal and patient ones given the clubs lack of success and basically given the imminent introduction of GC17 and GWS this was virtually the last chance the board had to get things right before people would be sick of these 5 yr coaching cycles turning into new era's starting from scratch.
Well guess what we are here again 5 yrs into Dimma's tenure and I feel hollow and empty. I take pleasure in mocking the club that I have loved for so long yet at the same time I feel cold and aloof to the tragedy that is the RFC. I have no passion for the RFC, I just have a feeling of being non-plussed without a care in the world.
I said to a friend I am going to the footy with no expectation much like I did in 2010 but in 2010 we had a group of kids lining up each week now I am just kidding myself.
It is not so much a meek point that the club needs to admit to me and our supporter base that we have failed in some areas and although its not a total failure we are prepared to do this right and go down the right trusted path as opposed to the kwik e mart version. I saw this under Wallace and Frawley and feel the same is about to occur where Richmond is ready to enter the black abyss where the next 3 years will be a waste of time effort and money much like the 2003 Greg Miller statement where he said we were four years away and then in 2007 saying 2011 was our time and we all know how that turned out.
I don't know what I want from the club and I don't know what the club can offer me right now.
Just hollow and empty. Not gutted gutted was Round 1 2009 or Elim final last year but eve then by the time I got home I was over it given where we were in 2013 and what was perceived to be ahead of us.
Whatever it is my emotive state footy wise is non existent and I have you RFC to blame for this.
Thanks for giving me overall nothing to hang my hat whilst I have given you my loyalty, time and money.
We thought tonight Nought fans outnumbered us. The Freo fans will be making more noise than us on Saturday let me assure you as when you have gone to the well as long as we have for no drink anger and frustration turns into being non-plussed where your care factor is zero.
Brilliant summary. Nailed it :clapping
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Hey Dom
Good to catch up last night
My wife commented that you seemed a very passionate supporter and said that you are
After I got home from the game we both stayed up and watched the reply( god knows why )
She only goes to one game a year
And her comments were " there are no leaders in this team "
She is correct
Not one !!
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I go every week even interstate games
Have decided I won't be travelling in round 23.
Have booked for the other interstate games we have left and will go to those but round 23 no way in hell
I simply just don't care anymore
:clapping
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Hey Dom
Good to catch up last night
My wife commented that you seemed a very passionate supporter and said that you are
After I got home from the game we both stayed up and watched the reply( god knows why )
She only goes to one game a year
And her comments were " there are no leaders in this team "
She is correct
Not one !!
Likewise Jack. See you in Aisle 46 against the Saints 3 weeks. Got my tix ages ago for that one. :thumbsup
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Have split out a number of posts from the game thread.
Think there are some comments here that need a stand alone thread to highlight peoples feelings about the club right now
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Just really hurting.
Not bothering reading the paper and media articles. .. what's the point.
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A few weeks ago I was a 50% chance of renewing next year now I'm 95% that I wont be renewing. I dont see the point. The administration has lost me, they have no serious plan, they have no plan, they dont deserve our money. They take our money and waste it on hacks and has beens. We the supporters paid out the club debt, we paid for new facilities and we pay for the Fighting Tiger Fund which was supposed to bring in players and make us competitive. They took our money and brought in duds and rejects from other clubs who are no good. We as members could give Richmond FC $100 million year it wouldnt make any difference. They would just pee it up the wall and spend it on rubbish. Thats it in a nutshell. We just dont have the people at Richmond who know how to bring or get success for our football club.
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Morning after the night before and I've been think about why I used the term "dishonest" in a post about the 2nd half last night. I've only ever used it once before and that was back when we got thrashed by Carlton at the FTF game.
Why dishonest?
There are lots of reasons for me and I wanted to put them out there because I'm on the brink of walking away. Why now after 30+ years of false hopes, 30+ years of poor seasons am I considering just not doing this anymore
Why? Simply because right now I don't have any respect for the RFC. They treat me like a fool and expect me just to accept what they throw at me
Yes in the past I've been angry with them, yes I've been disgusted with things they have done but I never not had respect for this Club. I may not have agreed with things and decision they've made but I've always respected why they've done them. Because I've believed they were done with the best interest of the club in mind
Sadly not now.
I'm firm in my belief that this has been a build up of things over a period of time and is not just about this year's debacle. It's not just about the coach or players it runs through the entire club.
The thing is when you are winning the things that are wrong get ignored because the wins hide the problems. But when you lose well there is no place to hide and problems that have always been there shine like a beacon in the night. That's what's happening at Richmond circa 2014. The problems that were was a dim flame last year are now shining like a distress beacon in the ocean
Let's go back to when Dimma was first appointed. He told us, no he promised us that players would only get games if they put there head over the ball and when it was their time "to go they had to go" if they didn't they wouldn't get a game. Moving into year five of his tenure I question what happened to that. When did that supposed non-negotiable become a negotiable? Because to me that hasn't been a non-negotiable for over 3 years now. Players who time and time again refuse to "go when it's their turn to go" have continued to be played, literally been gifted games. Why? Blind Freddy can see that games have been given to "favourites" ahead of kids that are busting their guts in the VFL. What sort of message does that send other than a bloody poor one?
Then just this week we get told that we'd get changes but the only changed we get were forced by injury. Another great message as the under performing players get spared what they should clearly face and that's being dropped for not playing up to standard
I expect to get whacked for this and I know I am breaking my own embargo about it. I expect people to say I am being petty. But the decision to allow the current captain to continue to wear his preferred number to number 17 was a poor leadership by the Club in particular the board and management. It also makes me wonder what impact it has had on the playing group and the message it sends. Forget whether you agree with the captain's number concept the fact remains that the Club allowed an individual to dictate a condition of him accepting the captaincy. The lack of leadership shown by the board in this case was wrong in that it sent a poor message to everyone especially the player group. In a way they allowed "the tail to wag the dog". Granted it is a small thing in the overall scheme of things but it is just another example of the lack of leadership that seems to engulf our club
We have a bloke in charge of list management who rates our list and under his rating system he believes certain players are deserving of 3 year contracts when again most people can see that the same players aren't going to improve. Then we lose a certain type of player (White) rather than finding a like type player we go 360 and target a lack of speed. Granted he targeted Maric and that was a great get but the others? More frustrating questions than answers
Then we have the club spin. The warning bells for me this year started during the pre-season when the club started spruiking a top 4 finish. Internally you can have whatever goals you want but for a team that hadn't played in back to back finals series since 1975 the talk externally should have been about improving again to ensure we got enough wins to make finals. Once you get the wins then you can talk about top 4. Then we have not only the coach saying we are a better side than last year but the GM of footy and the CEO saying the same thing. Outside of it being an incredibly stupid statement it was and is clearly a dishonest one
Then we have the off field. We get told that the Club exists for it's members not because of them. This is another dishonest statement. The exists because of us and maybe it's time they to started admitting it. The contempt that we get shown not only with the on field but the off field is just well mind numbing now. They spend so much time trying to find new members that they have forgotten those who have backed them unconditionally for decades. That is simply disrespectful and dishonest
I genuinely feel people who work at the Club like Mr RFC_O and those I speak to in membership and coteries. They are the ones who have to face the anger of the members and supporters. Benny doesn't, Dimma doesn't. They get shielded and justify things with their spin. Stig comes on here and cops abuse simply for doing his job and because he is the only conduit people have to vent at the Club. It is a thankless job but he keeps fronting up and I give him a helluva lot of credit for it. Ditto the folks in membership and the Coterie crew :clapping
But when it's all said and done the person that I am most angry at is the CEO Benny Gale. He's the one I reckon has played us as fools the most. Smart man is Benny, IMV he has known from the day he started that people would believe him and follow him and above all not question him. He was the great off field hope that we needed. Maybe it is time we started to question him. He stood in front of me at the FTF launch and said it would only be around 2 years at the most, it continues today and the Club's reliance on it is well scary. He gave us the 75-0-3 plan that has failed with the irony of it being the only part that has been successful is the zero debt thanks to the members. He implored people to vote in favour of the constitutional changes that gave the Board the power to appoint their own directors and allow him to sit on the board. The very thing people are now sooking about.
I could go on but what's the point? I just get angrier and more frustrated
Don highlights a key point for me when he said "It's not only the loss. It's the way we lose. We just find new ways to break the hearts of members and supporters."
Never has a truer word been spoken
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WP's post is one the best posts Ive ever read on this forum or any forum. Its spot on correct in every regard and it shows why the RFC will soon be in a financial crisis as members turn away from the club. The honeymoon period for this administration has well and truly ended. Its over and the results are speaking for themselves.
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The life and soul of a club is its fans. I have always thought that our fans were the most loyal and passionate of all AFL clubs. It is the club's treatment of its fans that disgusts me. The club needs to have a good hard look at itself and be honest with its supporters. Its disdain of its loyal supporters will ultimately bring its demise.
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Can this thread be retitled the Princess thread
Thanks
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Cheryl Critchley @CherylCritchley twitter:
What were these guys trying to say last night? And did they get told to take it down? It disappeared. #AFLRoosTigers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BppWVOaCMAEK7nd.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/CherylCritchley
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WP is on the money
Correct in every view
The club is there so the likes of Hardwick can extract over the top salary .get us know where and after 5 years of $$$$$ go an pay off them home and live happily ever after
FACT
Hardwick much worse than Wallace
Way too much spin
Can tell you Wallace had a crack and a plan A.B and C
Wallace plan B was too play Richo back when 3 goals down and play through him
Hardwick has no idea
Don't get me started on the off field side
Benny Gale has made fools of the supporters
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Cheryl Critchley @CherylCritchley twitter:
What were these guys trying to say last night? And did they get told to take it down? It disappeared. #AFLRoosTigers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BppWVOaCMAEK7nd.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/CherylCritchley
Great Banner :clapping and everyone knows what they were saying with that Banner. Everyone!
Edited to correct quote!
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Cheryl Critchley @CherylCritchley twitter:
What were these guys trying to say last night? And did they get told to take it down? It disappeared. #AFLRoosTigers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BppWVOaCMAEK7nd.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/CherylCritchley
That is excellent. :clapping
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Zookahead Cotchin wearing #9 didn't seem to be a problem when we were winning games. I've got no problem with it and neither should any of you.
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Morning after the night before and I've been think about why I used the term "dishonest" in a post about the 2nd half last night. I've only ever used it once before and that was back when we got thrashed by Carlton at the FTF game.
Why dishonest?
There are lots of reasons for me and I wanted to put them out there because I'm on the brink of walking away. Why now after 30+ years of false hopes, 30+ years of poor seasons am I considering just not doing this anymore
Why? Simply because right now I don't have any respect for the RFC. They treat me like a fool and expect me just to accept what they throw at me
Yes in the past I've been angry with them, yes I've been disgusted with things they have done but I never not had respect for this Club. I may not have agreed with things and decision they've made but I've always respected why they've done them. Because I've believed they were done with the best interest of the club in mind
Sadly not now.
I'm firm in my belief that this has been a build up of things over a period of time and is not just about this year's debacle. It's not just about the coach or players it runs through the entire club.
The thing is when you are winning the things that are wrong get ignored because the wins hide the problems. But when you lose well there is no place to hide and problems that have always been there shine like a beacon in the night. That's what's happening at Richmond circa 2014. The problems that were was a dim flame last year are now shining like a distress beacon in the ocean
Let's go back to when Dimma was first appointed. He told us, no he promised us that players would only get games if they put there head over the ball and when it was their time "to go they had to go" if they didn't they wouldn't get a game. Moving into year five of his tenure I question what happened to that. When did that supposed non-negotiable become a negotiable? Because to me that hasn't been a non-negotiable for over 3 years now. Players who time and time again refuse to "go when it's their turn to go" have continued to be played, literally been gifted games. Why? Blind Freddy can see that games have been given to "favourites" ahead of kids that are busting their guts in the VFL. What sort of message does that send other than a bloody poor one?
Then just this week we get told that we'd get changes but the only changed we get were forced by injury. Another great message as the under performing players get spared what they should clearly face and that's being dropped for not playing up to standard
I expect to get whacked for this and I know I am breaking my own embargo about it. I expect people to say I am being petty. But the decision to allow the current captain to continue to wear his preferred number to number 17 was a poor leadership by the Club in particular the board and management. It also makes me wonder what impact it has had on the playing group and the message it sends. Forget whether you agree with the captain's number concept the fact remains that the Club allowed an individual to dictate a condition of him accepting the captaincy. The lack of leadership shown by the board in this case was wrong in that it sent a poor message to everyone especially the player group. In a way they allowed "the tail to wag the dog". Granted it is a small thing in the overall scheme of things but it is just another example of the lack of leadership that seems to engulf our club
We have a bloke in charge of list management who rates our list and under his rating system he believes certain players are deserving of 3 year contracts when again most people can see that the same players aren't going to improve. Then we lose a certain type of player (White) rather than finding a like type player we go 360 and target a lack of speed. Granted he targeted Maric and that was a great get but the others? More frustrating questions than answers
Then we have the club spin. The warning bells for me this year started during the pre-season when the club started spruiking a top 4 finish. Internally you can have whatever goals you want but for a team that hadn't played in back to back finals series since 1975 the talk externally should have been about improving again to ensure we got enough wins to make finals. Once you get the wins then you can talk about top 4. Then we have not only the coach saying we are a better side than last year but the GM of footy and the CEO saying the same thing. Outside of it being an incredibly stupid statement it was and is clearly a dishonest one
Then we have the off field. We get told that the Club exists for it's members not because of them. This is another dishonest statement. The exists because of us and maybe it's time they to started admitting it. The contempt that we get shown not only with the on field but the off field is just well mind numbing now. They spend so much time trying to find new members that they have forgotten those who have backed them unconditionally for decades. That is simply disrespectful and dishonest
I genuinely feel people who work at the Club like Mr RFC_O and those I speak to in membership and coteries. They are the ones who have to face the anger of the members and supporters. Benny doesn't, Dimma doesn't. They get shielded and justify things with their spin. Stig comes on here and cops abuse simply for doing his job and because he is the only conduit people have to vent at the Club. It is a thankless job but he keeps fronting up and I give him a helluva lot of credit for it. Ditto the folks in membership and the Coterie crew :clapping
But when it's all said and done the person that I am most angry at is the CEO Benny Gale. He's the one I reckon has played us as fools the most. Smart man is Benny, IMV he has known from the day he started that people would believe him and follow him and above all not question him. He was the great off field hope that we needed. Maybe it is time we started to question him. He stood in front of me at the FTF launch and said it would only be around 2 years at the most, it continues today and the Club's reliance on it is well scary. He gave us the 75-0-3 plan that has failed with the irony of it being the only part that has been successful is the zero debt thanks to the members. He implored people to vote in favour of the constitutional changes that gave the Board the power to appoint their own directors and allow him to sit on the board. The very thing people are now sooking about.
I could go on but what's the point? I just get angrier and more frustrated
Don highlights a key point for me when he said "It's not only the loss. It's the way we lose. We just find new ways to break the hearts of members and supporters."
Never has a truer word been spoken
WP :bow :thumbsup :cheers :clapping :gotigers
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Cheryl Critchley @CherylCritchley twitter:
What were these guys trying to say last night? And did they get told to take it down? It disappeared. #AFLRoosTigers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BppWVOaCMAEK7nd.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/CherylCritchley
Of course it did. We don't need radicals in the supporter group destabilising the masses we need smileys and happys forking over their hard earned whilst fat man from the monopoly board rubs his hands together and counts the loot. :help
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Where was that? Was at the game and never saw it. Must've beeen confiscated early on.
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Zookahead Cotchin wearing #9 didn't seem to be a problem when we were winning games. I've got no problem with it and neither should any of you.
I don't have problem with it but it is the principle that WP is talking about. The club rightly or wrongly said the Captain would wear the great JD's number. It appoints a young captain and then he immediately turns around and says he wants to keep his number. FFS who is he to dictate to the club who has just bestowed him their greatest honour? He should have been grateful that he got the captain's position not started making demands himself!
I initially didn't mind what he wanted but I can now see that WP was correct right from the start.
It is a problem that has been at Richmond since Raines and Cloke left the club. The tail has wagged the dog and the club has been to afraid to argue with players and has bowed to their needs.
Winning games just hid the undercurrent but now it is just one of the things that is there for all to see.
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"But when it's all said and done the person that I am most angry at is the CEO Benny Gale. He's the one I reckon has played us as fools the most. Smart man is Benny, IMV he has known from the day he started that people would believe him and follow him and above all not question him. He was the great off field hope that we needed. Maybe it is time we started to question him. He stood in front of me at the FTF launch and said it would only be around 2 years at the most, it continues today and the Club's reliance on it is well scary. He gave us the 75-0-3 plan that has failed with the irony of it being the only part that has been successful is the zero debt thanks to the members. He implored people to vote in favour of the constitutional changes that gave the Board the power to appoint their own directors and allow him to sit on the board. The very thing people are now sooking about."
While I get the emotion, it's never going to aid the discussion but there are some cold hard facts in this part of WP's post which the club cannot escape and should be answered at this years AGM.
3-0-75, not successful but how do you make the club accountable when the board isn't accountable to its members?
Gary March left BEFORE the job was done but carried on like the turnaround was complete.
So did Craig Cameron - who, unless he was pushed - also just p155ed off all of a sudden.
Benny, didn't he interview for the top job at the AFL?
These are the leaders of our club and they don't even want to stick around until the job is finished?
What kind of example does that set for everyone else?
It true when they say the fish rots at the head.
While I understand while posters blame coach and players, I wonder about the motives, integrity and capability of the blokes running the club.
I really hope they can find a way through this because it's been a disheartening chapter in 2014.
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YBB,
You've got it all wrong. Zooks was not appointed captain before the issue of his number was resolved. He was not appointed captain then demanded they let him wear #9. It was handled well before that. He made no demands and you look like a goose for saying he did mate. Retract your comments, they are ridiculous. At the end of the day it is a stuffing number.
The tail was not wagging the dog when Dan Richardson disrespected Matthew White
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Great post WP.
Nail. Head.
BTW..
Cotch signs for 2 years and Benny applies for the head of the AFL without finishing the job he started.
Fish. Head.
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YBB,
You've got it all wrong. Zooks was not appointed captain before the issue of his number was resolved. He was not appointed captain then demanded they let him wear #9. It was handled well before that. He made no demands and you look like a goose for saying he did mate. Retract your comments, they are ridiculous. At the end of the day it is a stuffing number.
The tail was not wagging the dog when Dan Richardson disrespected Matthew White
Behind closed doors they told Trent he would be given the Captain's position. He told them he would take it but he wanted the number 9 jumper. The club backed down. That's how it happened. That is the tail wagging the dog whichever way you like to disguise it.
He should have been so honoured that he should have accepted the position and the number.
If you read my post carefully you would have seen that I said it was the PRINCIPLE that was the problem. Sure it is just a "stuffing number" but a lone player should not tell the club what to do with its traditions. Especially one that was only 22 at the time!
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Tradition please. Two captains played in #17 during a woeful period for the club. Understand your point but it was time to move on which is why Trent made the decision he did. There was no push from the club to make him wear #17. They respected his decision and so they should. As should you & WilliamPowell. Fair dinkum, Zookahead Cotchin is not a selfish kid. He's a great kid, always has been. Needs some help with the captaincy but he ain't getting it because NO ONE at Richmond has any stuffing idea what they're doing. I feel for him.
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For me its really quite simple
If failure continues then messrs Hardwicke,Gale,haines will be challenged and will no doubt lose their jobs
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No issue with Trent
Great kid Great player but he doesn't come across as a leader by the way of acts on the field that count
Didn't kick that goal last night on the run and isn't inspirational
I look at Ivan kicking that goal on the run in last years final and that was inspirational
We need team lifting acts like most captains do
Maybe the club bites the bullet at years end
Every non Richmond supporter think he is a great player but very average captain
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Tradition please. Two captains played in #17 during a woeful period for the club. Understand your point but it was time to move on which is why Trent made the decision he did. There was no push from the club to make him wear #17. They respected his decision and so they should. As should you & WilliamPowell. Fair dinkum, Zookahead Cotchin is not a selfish kid. He's a great kid, always has been. Needs some help with the captaincy but he ain't getting it because NO ONE at Richmond has any stuffing idea what they're doing. I feel for him.
From what I can remember Wayne Campbell suggested that the captain wear the number 17. The players all took a vote and agreed that it was a good idea. The club agreed and took it on board.
It's not up to one single player to decide when a club tradition, whether it be one hundred years or just 3 years old, needs to change. The club did want to keep the tradition going but Trent pleaded with them and they meekly gave in. I am not saying that Trent is not a good man. I'm blaming the club for not being strong.
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See the point ybb and WP are making but I never agreed with this 'tradition' from the beginning.
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See the point ybb and WP are making but I never agreed with this 'tradition' from the beginning.
It was stupid. Not surprised it was Cancer Campbell's idea.
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See the point ybb and WP are making but I never agreed with this 'tradition' from the beginning.
It was stupid. Not surprised it was Cancer Campbell's idea.
Didn't know that, makes it all the worse than Sugars captaincy era
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See the point ybb and WP are making but I never agreed with this 'tradition' from the beginning.
It was stupid. Not surprised it was Cancer Campbell's idea.
it was actually an idea from the Board and they went to players to get their feedback on it and the players group of the day supported it. It was one of the reason it was introduced.
As I said originally it isn't about whether you agree with the concept or not it was the fact it was another example of the lack of leadership that seems to cripple our club. The Board bowed to the wishes of an individual for whatever reason and as a result showed a lack of leadership to entire club.
We complain about the lack of leadership that we seem to be surrounded by and we wonder why. If people at the top fail in the leadership stakes how the hell can we expect anything else at other levels throughout the place?
Behind closed doors they told Trent he would be given the Captain's position. He told them he would take it but he wanted the number 9 jumper. The club backed down. That's how it happened.
Correct
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Class players make their own way and don't bludge off some half assed tradition
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great post mr fiski, now put yourself in some of us older supporters and we have been exactly where you are for 15 yrs longer.
there is no joy in following the club, for me its become a disspassionte dissection of what we continually do wrong. im lucky though i can be disspassionate from 3. 5k and dont have to go thru the at the ground humiliations.
im actually on me last legs with them. what happens at the end of this yr, if some of that honesty is not displayed and we admit what we have got wrong well there will be no more claw giving a toss about em.
i refused to take out membership this yr and i refused to make any sort of donation to the club. why, because i saw they were kidding themselves again and the only protest i could make was not join up or give.
i think what annoys me more than anything nowdays is those supporters who defend em no matter what they do. its like we are incapable of keeping our eye on the bigger long term picture.
howmany times do supporters have to be kicked in the guts by the same things over and over only to lose sight of those things as soon as a few meaningless wins happen.
to be honest im over both the club and its supporters, in many ways we deserve each other.
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i think what annoys me more than anything nowdays is those supporters who defend em no matter what they do. its like we are incapable of keeping our eye on the bigger long term picture.
I think that might be more reflective of some of the boards you post on. You get the impression some of them are run by the club or sycophants, such are the delusions and the careful censorship of anything negative. We have our fair share of stupid supporter just like any club but we also have a lot of astute supporters who have grown apathetic.
The thing I find with this club is constant dread.
Dread at the season end because I know we are about to recruit a bunch of slow recycled duds that we don't need.
Dread after the names are read out in each draft, as each player is overshadowed by better players that we should have picked.
Dread after watching the draftees highlights reels and wondering why they were selected?
Dread at seeing other clubs recruit players that you know would have an immediate and long term positive impact on our list.
Dread at the ending of the preseason after another poor campaign.
Dread at the unending excuses and the "its only the preseason comments"
Dread at the anticipation of the season proper and being beaten by Carlton again.
Dread at the excuses for why we are so bad and the positive spin as the season drags on.
Dread at seeing the next batch of recruits fail and having them talked up by loyalists.
Dread as we play too many talls, because quantity makes up for quality. ;)
Dread as the same players that have failed us year in year out continue to get senior games whilst junior players languish in the reserves.
Dread at the prospect that the coach, recruiters, fitness teams will get through another season unscathed despite abominable performances.
Dread that the next coach will be just as bad as the previous one.
Rinse and repeat.
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I live in Miami FL now. When I first moved to the US in 2008 I had already been a member for 6 years. I continued to buy a membership each year after I moved to support the club.
At the end of 2012 I was blessed with a boy and after surrendering my first born (my little girl) to my wife to follow her wretched, yet successful, magpies. I bought my son a membership and believed that maybe after a much more enjoyable 2013 times were changing.
The RFC was nice enough to automatically renew our memberships in 2014 without my consent. I thought this was a little presumptuous, but probably would have renewed anyway. Not anymore. I hope the club does the same thing again in 2015, because if they do they will loose me forever. I can not reconcile encouraging a child to support a team that is as soulless as the one I follow all too closely.
I will be even more angry if after the pathetic showing we have seen to date they win meaningless games to end the season.
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i think what annoys me more than anything nowdays is those supporters who defend em no matter what they do. its like we are incapable of keeping our eye on the bigger long term picture.
I think that might be more reflective of some of the boards you post on. You get the impression some of them are run by the club or sycophants, such are the delusions and the careful censorship of anything negative. We have our fair share of stupid supporter just like any club but we also have a lot of astute supporters who have grown apathetic.
The thing I find with this club is constant dread,
Dread at the season end because I know we are about to recruit a bunch of slow recycled duds that we don't need.
Dread after the names are read out in each draft, as each player is overshadowed by better players that we should have picked.
Dread after watching the draftees highlights reels and wondering why they were selected?
Dread at seeing other clubs recruit players that you know would have an immediate and long term positive impact on our list.
Dread at the ending of the preseason after another poor campaign.
Dread at the unending excuses and the "its only the preseason comments"
Dread at the anticipation of the season proper and being beaten by Carlton again.
Dread at the excuses for why we are so bad and the positive spin as the season drags on.
Dread at seeing the next batch of recruits fail and having them talked up by loyalists.
Dread as we play too many talls, because quantity makes up for quality. ;)
Dread as the same players that have failed us year in year out continue to get senior games whilst junior players languish in the reserves.
Dread at the prospect that the coach, recruiters, fitness teams will get through another season unscathed despite abominable performances.
Dread that the next coach will be just as bad as the previous one.
Rinse and repeat.
Best post ever. Should be printed out and nailed to the front door at Punt Road.
My biggest worry is the club's inate inabilty to do the right things the right way. We have a bad season they handle it badly, we have a rare good season, they handle it even worse. The rest of competition must love us - we're like a cautionary tale and living guide on how to not run a football club or build a list, WWRD - then do the opposite.
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It's not all doom and gloom.
Credit where it's due this administration has achieved some fantastic results, unfortunately they've all been off field.
The football department and team have been the real failure here.
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It's not all doom and gloom.
Credit where it's due this administration has achieved some fantastic results, unfortunately they've all been off field.
The football department and team have been the real failure here.
Long term - hell even medium term. Can these fantastic results continue given the on field situation?
Crunch the numbers and I doubt keeping the current coach works out as losing less money given the big picture.
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It's not all doom and gloom.
Credit where it's due this administration has achieved some fantastic results, unfortunately they've all been off field.
The football department and team have been the real failure here.
What fantastic results have they achieved?
the facilities? which were planned, organised and got approved under Steven Wrights Administration
the profit? which has come on the back of Richmond supporters buying memberships
what exactly have they done? change the logo - yes, come up with a plan 3-0-75 which they didnt achieve, paid off the debt - yes but done on the backs of Richmond supporters. This administration is way way overrated.
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Along with extending Dimmas contract for 2 years I agree, the off field have taken a step back this year.
I do think that have executed their off field plan well, the re-development of the ground, setting up of theVFL team, all while paying off the debt.
In the past we've paid off debt, spent money and gone back into debt.
Although elements are misguided, I like the unity - now they may be lead our club in formation off a Cliff but at least they are doing it together!
It would be good to hear them be a little more transparent if they do think they've made some mistakes this year - they now have nothing to lose by saying that.
In time, I'd like to hear what they are planning to do and ensure they've actually learnt from this year as it's the reoccurring errors this club makes which becomes very tiresome for those of us who have seen it time and again.
The reality is that with the way the draw stacks it in favour of the crap sides, we get a soft draw.
One decent free agent, a decent round 1 draft pick and a good pre season draft pick and who knows? We might finish 9th!
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It's not all doom and gloom.
Credit where it's due this administration has achieved some fantastic results, unfortunately they've all been off field.
The football department and team have been the real failure here.
What fantastic results have they achieved?
the facilities? which were planned, organised and got approved under Steven Wrights Administration
the profit? which has come on the back of Richmond supporters buying memberships
what exactly have they done? change the logo - yes, come up with a plan 3-0-75 which they didnt achieve, paid off the debt - yes but done on the backs of Richmond supporters. This administration is way way overrated.
Yes the ME Bank Centre was in play but noT the resurfacing and rebuilding of Punt Road Oval. Stand alone VFL side, record levels of sponsorship and membership, united the club (until this year :-[)..
Yes the supporters have had a lot to do with funding and debt reduction but the administration still has to facilitate it. Doesn't happen by magic.
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Doesn't happen by magic.
Maybe you should get your act together then
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I will reserve my judgment on this adminsistratiom until after this summer.
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I will reserve my judgment on this adminsistratiom until after this summer.
It's what we might do in the off-season that I'm dreading the most.
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I hope we are honest with a few more players in the off season.
If those 9 wins keep the status quo and the Conca's and Edwards of this club don't have to work for their spots we will be in the same position as we were round 13 last season.
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We have poor standards on the field.