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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on November 14, 2011, 03:18:27 AM
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So we have now had Hardwick and Grimes and Astbury and a few others coming out saying that youth is no excuse next year and that players will be held accountable for rubbish performances.
Now, did everyone pay attention or have you been paying attention to these statements and others???
No excuses, none, nada, so we should be in the finals next year IMO.
Please everyone the youth, inexperienced, development, growing as a team, need game time, needs game fitness cards have been played.
NO EXCUSES RICHMOND!!!!!! FINALS OR FAILURE!
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No wonder you blow up during the year :lol
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So we have now had Hardwick and Grimes and Astbury and a few others coming out saying that youth is no excuse next year and that players will be held accountable for rubbish performances.
Now, did everyone pay attention or have you been paying attention to these statements and others???
No excuses, none, nada, so we should be in the finals next year IMO.
Please everyone the youth, inexperienced, development, growing as a team, need game time, needs game fitness cards have been played.
NO EXCUSES RICHMOND!!!!!! FINALS OR FAILURE!
..... Until we have injuries because we have no depth ....
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No wonder you blow up during the year :lol
Haha will be good to see how he is after the first 5 rounds! :rollin
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All I expect is for us to improve. Without using the "F" word, improvement with 11-12 wins should mean we will be thereabouts at the end of the season anyway.
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Back to back flags or else!
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The benefits of having had the feedback from the Tiger supporter, who went forward in time to pick out the best group of players once they hit the next 2-3 years, will start to bear fruit.
eg.
1. Get Conca with your earliest pick and ignore Heppell as he wins a RS but breaks down the next year.
2. Pick 3 will be enough to get Martin in 2010 as Melbourne will shoot themselves in the foot.
Pick 2 for Cotchin in 2008, as Carlton will go tall.
3. Leave it until Morris gets to 22 before picking him up as a FS.
4. Keep an eye on Houli until he has had enough of the Bombers not giving him a run, then entice him over for nix at the draft table.
5. Use Tuck sparingly for the couple of years before he hits 30 as he will be refreshed for the next 5, as Tuck's get better with age.
6. Have 4 ruckmen available from the 2012 season, Graham will be ready to dominate at that point and Maric can be secured relatively cheaply at that stage too, similar to Houli.
7. Riewoldt & Vickery can be relied on to be available at our pick in their respective years becoming the star forwards required.
8. The 2nd Grimes will be better than the first, but will be a steal in the 2010 PSD. The 2nd Rance will also prove to be as good as his father.
9. The additional talls in Post, Astbury & Griffiths will take a few seasons to develop, but will become very good players, would have destroyed us if allowed to be picked up elsewhere!
10. Deledio, by this time has served his long apprenticeship across the HB line, and is now ready to lead the Tigers onward and upward.
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We should tank for picks ;D
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We should tank for picks ;D
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What decade or year do you think we should actually move forward then WP?????
To the rest of you, amazing to say the least, the players and the coach are saying that we should not be using excuses such as being a young inexperienced side and having to stand up next year and you still cant get on board with it...
When will you all stop making excuses..... :banghead
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What decade or year do you think we should actually move forward then WP?????
To the rest of you, amazing to say the least, the players and the coach are saying that we should not be using excuses such as being a young inexperienced side and having to stand up next year and you still cant get on board with it...
When will you all stop making excuses..... :banghead
I am not making excuses WAT
I want to see improvement - what that brings come the end of the season I really don't know. If it means we finish with 11 wins and we miss the finals is that failure = NOPE
Our list still has alot of gaps in it - Depth is a massive problem if we have a horror run with injury the we will struggle. If we don't well who knows what the end result will be
And BTW while the words are there that there will be no more excuses. Nowhere has the coach or any players said we are going to play finals. If you listen to Dimma's presser last week he said again it's about improving
But to make it simply for you:
Do I want us to play finals = YES
Do I think we can make finals = YES if everything falls our way. And I would think that would be the case for most teams who finished 9th to 13th in 2011.
But if by injury we lose 3 of our best 6 we are in big trouble, if we lose 4-6 of our mid range players for extneded periods again we are in trouble because simple we dont' have the depth. Hell you said exactly the same thing in another thread about our lack of depth
That isn't making excuses it stating where I believe our list is depth wise. I think some people are grossly over rating our list. Personally I don't think it is a strong as it needs to be. Our bottom 15 are a long way off IMHO
TBH I look at our current list & can only name 5 players that would get games in the teams that played off in this years GF - harsh but realistic & that tells me something about our list.
I will repeat if absolutely everything goes our way in 2012 then yes we are chance of finals but things get de-railed and it's highly unlikely. Excuses? No just a realistic assessment of where are right now
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We should tank for picks ;D
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That isn't making excuses it stating where I believe our list is depth wise. I think some people are grossly over rating our list. Personally I don't think it is a strong as it needs to be. Our bottom 15 are a long way off IMHO
TBH I look at our current list & can only name 5 players that would get games in the teams that played off in this years GF - harsh but realistic & that tells me something about our list.
Well said WP.
Our list is still very ordinary. I would go as far as saying it's still bottom 5 material which won't be a popular comment. Outside our top half-dozen or so our list falls away badly. Until we can at least be competitive against the top sides rather than witches hats, let alone challenge these sides and knock one or two off then we can start talking about finals. 2012 should still be about development as our list is still very young and our senior core age bracket (23-28) is still very thin and lacking sufficient A-grade class. When our top two mids are just 22 and 20 y.o then that says we are still a year or two off finals.
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What decade or year do you think we should actually move forward then WP?????
To the rest of you, amazing to say the least, the players and the coach are saying that we should not be using excuses such as being a young inexperienced side and having to stand up next year and you still cant get on board with it...
When will you all stop making excuses..... :banghead
I am not making excuses WAT
I want to see improvement - what that brings come the end of the season I really don't know. If it means we finish with 11 wins and we miss the finals is that failure = NOPE
Our list still has alot of gaps in it - Depth is a massive problem if we have a horror run with injury the we will struggle. If we don't well who knows what the end result will be
And BTW while the words are there that there will be no more excuses. Nowhere has the coach or any players said we are going to play finals. If you listen to Dimma's presser last week he said again it's about improving
But to make it simply for you:
Do I want us to play finals = YES
Do I think we can make finals = YES if everything falls our way. And I would think that would be the case for most teams who finished 9th to 13th in 2011.
But if by injury we lose 3 of our best 6 we are in big trouble, if we lose 4-6 of our mid range players for extneded periods again we are in trouble because simple we dont' have the depth. Hell you said exactly the same thing in another thread about our lack of depth
That isn't making excuses it stating where I believe our list is depth wise. I think some people are grossly over rating our list. Personally I don't think it is a strong as it needs to be. Our bottom 15 are a long way off IMHO
TBH I look at our current list & can only name 5 players that would get games in the teams that played off in this years GF - harsh but realistic & that tells me something about our list.
I will repeat if absolutely everything goes our way in 2012 then yes we are chance of finals but things get de-railed and it's highly unlikely. Excuses? No just a realistic assessment of where are right now
Bloody hell WP really, we have been crapping on about improvement since Wallace took over, the improvement days are over....We need to start focusing on winning and playinig finals.
I couldnt care less if they mentioned finals or not, no more excuses is what they said, that either means finals or acceptance of the mediocre crap we have been dishing up over the years. Seriously, improvement, does that mean we should have beaten teams like Port last year in Darwin, the Saints, GC and a few other games we completely blew.
If you think we only have 5 players that can take us into a GF in 5 years we may as well give up because in 5 years those players will be at the end of their careers and then what........the rebuilding starts again and the devlopment and the games into young legs.
Honestly no excuses, people will agree with your comments over mine, I just wont continue to accept mediocracy like the rest of you do. I am not going to keep saying year after year after year that we are rebuilding. the top teams don't make that excuse and neither should we, they are continually successful because of the way they plan the future. Hell we have been doing that for 20+ years.
We sould have played finals this year but completely lost the plot in the winable games.
Finals in 2012 or failure. Thats the way I look at it, if we go into round 1 and get smashed to pieces by the Blues or lose again to PA and the GC who has rebuilt, improving or is building better......
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WAT why should we have played finals this year? :o We never once sat in the top 8 throughout the season, our percentage never was higher than 93% and our record against the top 5 sides was L20 (-56 for 3 qtrs), L63, L71, L103, L62 (same margin at HT) and L57. Finals-worthy sides don't get flogged by every top side nor do they lose to the bottom 2 sides.
Now as a young side we may still be inconsistent next year and we may still drop games we should win :-\ but I agree that for us to show improvement in 2012 we need to start beating boggie sides like St Kilda and the Doggies who are both on the slide. We also need to show we can be competitive against the top sides both in general play and on the scoreboard over four quarters which will also improve our percentage.
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like Port last year in Darwin, the Saints, GC and a few other games we completely blew.
If you think we only have 5 players that can take us into a GF in 5 years we may as well give up because in 5 years those players will be at the end of their careers and then what........the rebuilding starts again and the devlopment and the games into young legs.
Geesh I wish you'd read what I wrote
I said "TBH I look at our current list & can only name 5 players that would get games in the teams that played off in this years GF"
Exactly where did I say "If you think we only have 5 players that can take us into a GF in 5 years"
Tell me how the hell you got the "take us into a GF in 5 years" bit :huh
I clearly said that we have 5 players that would get games at C'wood & Geelong (and btw that's Catchin, Deledio, Martin, Riewoldt & Newman) now - no where did I mention in 5 years. I used that example to highlight how bad our lack of depth is. At a minimum you want at least 10 who would be walk up starts at other Clubs. Facts are we don't have that, yes we are building that but if you think we have that right you are kidding yourself
Simply our list isn't that good. WAT you and others go on about the duds on the list but then you expect the very same list to play finals. So are you expecting the "duds" to carry us to finals because I've got a newsflash for you our top 5 plus our top 10 mid range players cannot do it on their own
Honestly no excuses, people will agree with your comments over mine, I just wont continue to accept mediocracy like the rest of you do. I am not going to keep saying year after year after year that we are rebuilding. the top teams don't make that excuse and neither should we, they are continually successful because of the way they plan the future. Hell we have been doing that for 20+ years.
Got to say it really irks me when people throw up this accepting mediocrity crap. You call it accepting mediocrity I call it being realistic regarding our list. Trust me I'm sick of not playing finals but I also don't want to take any short cuts. For the first time in 30 years we aren't taking short cuts
I will repeat what I've said twice but you seem to ignore and that is if everthing falls our way (read very few injuries and playing blokes carrying injuries) then we are a chance to play finals.
Cop injuries to our top players we are going to struggle. Just look at Riewoldt in 2011 when he played with injury for most of the year and the impact it had on us and his output. Simply we are not strong enough depth wise to carry that now.
Can I make it any clearer
You talk about top teams not making excuses but the very team that's won 3 of the last 5 Grand Finals did re-build back on the mid 2000's under Thompson and look at them now. Ditto Collingwood - they rebuilt under Malthouse and look where they are now (recommend you read his book it explains how to do it really well).
Finals in 2012 or failure.
So what you are saying is it wouldn't matter how many games we win unless we play finals the years a failure? What happens if we win 12 games and still miss the finals, then that's a failure? We win lose one of top 3 players for the majority of the year, win say 11 games and miss the finals on % that's a failure too....
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like Port last year in Darwin, the Saints, GC and a few other games we completely blew.
If you think we only have 5 players that can take us into a GF in 5 years we may as well give up because in 5 years those players will be at the end of their careers and then what........the rebuilding starts again and the devlopment and the games into young legs.
Geesh I wish you'd read what I wrote
I said "TBH I look at our current list & can only name 5 players that would get games in the teams that played off in this years GF"
Exactly where did I say "If you think we only have 5 players that can take us into a GF in 5 years"
Tell me how the hell you got the "take us into a GF in 5 years" bit :huh
I clearly said that we have 5 players that would get games at C'wood & Geelong (and btw that's Catchin, Deledio, Martin, Riewoldt & Newman) now - no where did I mention in 5 years. I used that example to highlight how bad our lack of depth is. At a minimum you want at least 10 who would be walk up starts at other Clubs. Facts are we don't have that, yes we are building that but if you think we have that right you are kidding yourself
Simply our list isn't that good. WAT you and others go on about the duds on the list but then you expect the very same list to play finals. So are you expecting the "duds" to carry us to finals because I've got a newsflash for you our top 5 plus our top 10 mid range players cannot do it on their own
Honestly no excuses, people will agree with your comments over mine, I just wont continue to accept mediocracy like the rest of you do. I am not going to keep saying year after year after year that we are rebuilding. the top teams don't make that excuse and neither should we, they are continually successful because of the way they plan the future. Hell we have been doing that for 20+ years.
Got to say it really irks me when people throw up this accepting mediocracy crap. You call it accepting mediocracy I call it being realistic regarding our list. Trust me I'm sick of not playing finals but I also don't want to take any short cuts. For the first time in 30 years we aren't taking short cuts
I will repeat what I've said twice but you seem to ignore and that is if everthing falls our way (read very few injuries and playing blokes carrying injuries) then we are a chance to play finals.
Cop injuries to our top players we are going to struggle. Just look at Riewoldt in 2011 when he played with injury for most of the year and the impact it had on us and his output. Simply we are not strong enough depth wise to carry that now.
Can I make it any clearer
You talk about top teams not making excuses but the very team that's won 3 of the last 5 Grand Finals did re-build back on the mid 2000's under Thompson and look at them now. Ditto Collingwood - they rebuilt under Malthouse and look where they are now (recommend you read his book it explains how to do it really well).
Finals in 2012 or failure.
So what you are saying is it wouldn't matter how many games we win unless we play finals the years a failure? What happens if we win 12 games and still miss the finals, then that's a failure? We win lose one of top 3 players for the majority of the year, win say 11 games and miss the finals on % that's a failure too....
Simple fact of the matter it seems to me WP is that some Richmond people accept underperforming and mediocracy (like it or not) at this club and seem to think that improvement, which is a word I hate, because we have used it for long is the key.
I am realistic but wouldnt you say with the players we have we should be playing finals, honestly, or are we just going to improve again next next year, we actually should of played finals last year.
Anyway.....
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bottom line is we need to improve to make the finals.
if we don't improve we wont make the finals.
if we don't improve enough, we wont make the finals.
if we do improve enough, we will make the finals.
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bottom line is we need to improve to make the finals.
if we don't improve we wont make the finals.
if we don't improve enough, we wont make the finals.
if we do improve enough, we will make the finals.
My point is for how many more years and decades are we going to improve for????????? Seems to be the word we have used in conjunction with develop for the past 30 years.....WHEN is it going to work???????
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WAT, no matter how much you jump up and down or hold your breath until you turn blue, it wont change were we are at.
What has happened in the last 30 years does not change where we are at.
were we at is a long way behind the top sides and that gap cannot be bridged overnight.
so, whether you like or not, we must improve to bring the success we all crave.
dont set yourself up for season of grief with unrealistic expectations, it will only bring you...grief ( which you will want to share with the rest of us after every loss :P)
As for how many more years are we going to improve for? Who knows, but we havn't actually seen much improvement in the last decade at all.
When is it going to work? who knows?
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Simple fact of the matter it seems to me WP is that some Richmond people accept underperforming and mediocracy (like it or not) at this club and seem to think that improvement, which is a word I hate, because we have used it for long is the key.
WAT - you seem to think I will accept whatever results get dished up. I wont
Let me put it to you like this: we get pumped by the Blues in round 1 that's unacceptable. We lose to teams we should beat eg GC or Port Adelaide, that is unacceptable.
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We start beating teams we are on par with rather than having them continue to own us and beat us in important games then I reckon that's improvement.
Against the top teams what is acceptable is being able to compete against them rather than getting thumped by them like we did this year.
Sorry but to me we do that and we've improved and do that and it gets us to the finals then great
I am realistic but wouldnt you say with the players we have we should be playing finals, honestly, or are we just going to improve again next next year, we actually should of played finals last year.
Again are you seem to be ignoring what I wrote because it doesn't suit your argument or am I not making it clear enough :huh but I think I've answered this
Which part of this doesn't make sense or isn't clear? I will repeat it for the 4th time
"I will repeat what I've said twice but you seem to ignore and that is if everthing falls our way (read very few injuries and playing blokes carrying injuries) then we are a chance to play finals.
Cop injuries to our top players we are going to struggle. Just look at Riewoldt in 2011 when he played with injury for most of the year and the impact it had on us and his output. Simply we are not strong enough depth wise to carry that now. "
I would think this clearly means that yes I think that we can play finals if and it is a mssive if everything falls our way especially injury wise but IMHO we cop a couple of bad injuries to any of top line players then we have no chance
What is interesting is you refused to answer my question(s)
My point is for how many more years and decades are we going to improve for????????? Seems to be the word we have used in conjunction with develop for the past 30 years.....WHEN is it going to work???????
But isn't that part of the issue? For 30 years we've said we are "gunna" and as result gone around in circles with people chopping and changing their plans, promising to do one thing and then doing another. End result we've achieved zippo
It is only in the last 2 years we've actually seen the Club united as one, on the same page and actually look like they are prepared to see a plan (read rebuild) through. They've turned more than 50% of the list over and loaded it up with kids. Whether we like it or not kids take time to develop.
You are now saying that after 2 years you will only accept finals as improvement.
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Our biggest excuse is we still lack depth of quality.
An injury to a key player or two such a Cotchin, Deledio or Riewoldt will see us struggle to play finals again.
Sure we copped some injuries last year but they weren't core players.
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Why does it take clubs like Essendon, Carlton, Geelong, Hawthawn, Collingwood,and The Eagles (look at their resurgence) no time at all to play finals, no rebuilding, no excuses about development, no excuses...WHY, why cant we do it and stay there.
They pick players in the pick 30's & 40's draft range that are better than our top picks in the teens. they play finals.....we improve and develop, improve and develop and actually we get nowhere.
Look at the Eagles, what a prime example, now they went from botton 6 to top 4 in a season.......why cant we do that, because we accept the crap the team dishes up and the WC faithful dont, neither does Worsfold or the administration.
The WC Eagles will be looking to win the flag this year and we should be playing finals....simple as that!!!!
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The real problem is that whilst we will improve, so will other sides. We cannot expect Freo to cop the same number of injuries next year as they did this year. They will be bitterly disappointed if they don't. North are in the same boat as us and will have some extra new "home ground advantage" in Hobart. They are also looking to sneak in. Melbourne is also looking to improve and get in. And which team that made the 8 are going to slide? Probably not the top 4 and probably not Carlton. Out of the other three, Sydney are always competitive. The bombers look like the most vulnerable but then again they will be keen to improve with Watson, Dempsey and Winderlich playing more games next year and I heard that even the human disaster zone Gumbleton is having his best preseason yet. St Kilda may also be vulnerable....
So it is so difficult even if we do improve!
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The real problem is that whilst we will improve, so will other sides. We cannot expect Freo to cop the same number of injuries next year as they did this year. They will be bitterly disappointed if they don't. North are in the same boat as us and will have some extra new "home ground advantage" in Hobart. They are also looking to sneak in. Melbourne is also looking to improve and get in. And which team that made the 8 are going to slide? Probably not the top 4 and probably not Carlton. Out of the other three, Sydney are always competitive. The bombers look like the most vulnerable but then again they will be keen to improve with Watson, Dempsey and Winderlich playing more games next year and I heard that even the human disaster zone Gumbleton is having his best preseason yet. St Kilda may also be vulnerable....
So it is so difficult even if we do improve!
Thats dead right and every year it's the same, every team improves and plays finals or they do a year later and we are the bridesmaids AGAIN.......excuses every year......they get better and we just dont, thats why its finals this year or get used to to a middle of the pack bottom 8 team for another 30 years!!!
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We should be aiming for top 4 next year, if the Eagles can do it, we can too. It is simply excuse making to think differently.
Bottom line, it is a mind set shift to finish top 4 next year......
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Essendon and St.Kilda are ripe for a HUUUUUUUUGELY enjoyable slide down the ladder next year. Oh yeah. As are Sydney IMO. North were no better than us last season, and we have more upside moving forward. Melbourne are overrated for mine.
There's plenty of room for us 5th-8th on the ladder.
Harden up and hold your resolve.
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Why does it take clubs like Essendon, Carlton, Geelong, Hawthawn, Collingwood,and The Eagles (look at their resurgence) no time at all to play finals, no rebuilding, no excuses about development, no excuses...WHY, why cant we do it and stay there.
Carlton - surely you jest. The won a couple of wooden spoons, had how many number priority & one draft picks (Gibbs, Murphy to name 2) and have taken close to 5-6 years to get to playing finals over a 3 year period.
Hawthorn - well hello IIRC were bottom of the ladder with us back in 2004. Roughead & Franklin picks 2 & 4 in a draft.... nah they didn't re-build
As I said re Geelong go back to 2005 Thompson was close to losing his job because of their lack of success in his first couple of season. Their re-build came on the back of some stunning Father son picks and good recruiting dept
Agains go back to my previous post about Collingwood - sorry they re-built
Want me to go on?
They all have built up their lists and developed young players.
Biggest difference between them and us.
Resources - they poured resources into recruiting (we've only been doing it the last 4 years) and development
And while having success they make sure the plan and develop their next crop of players for the future.
Look at the Eagles, what a prime example, now they went from botton 6 to top 4 in a season.......why cant we do that, because we accept the crap the team dishes up and the WC faithful dont, neither does Worsfold or the administration.
The WC Eagles will be looking to win the flag this year and we should be playing finals....simple as that!!!!
The Eagles ...hmm sorry they re-built they said it!!!!
All through 2010 Worsfold said he was building a list for the future. That's what he said and in the process he accepted the "crap that was dished up" Since their last flag in 2006 look at the draft picks they had. They've bought in kids and developed them and they are now reaping the benefits
They also had the added bonus in 2011 of thier top line players actually being on the park - always helps ;D
Why because they have the resources
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Essendon and St.Kilda are ripe for a HUUUUUUUUGELY enjoyable slide down the ladder next year. Oh yeah. As are Sydney IMO. North were no better than us last season, and we have more upside moving forward. Melbourne are overrated for mine.
There's plenty of room for us 5th-8th on the ladder.
Harden up and hold your resolve.
Exactly DD, thst is what we should be aiming for no more improvement/developmnet crap every year......FINALS FINALS FINALS!!!!!
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Why does it take clubs like Essendon, Carlton, Geelong, Hawthawn, Collingwood,and The Eagles (look at their resurgence) no time at all to play finals, no rebuilding, no excuses about development, no excuses...WHY, why cant we do it and stay there.
Carlton - surely you jest. The won a couple of wooden spoons, had how many number priority & one draft picks (Gibbs, Murphy to name 2) and have taken close to 5-6 years to get to playing finals over a 3 year period.
Hawthorn - well hello IIRC were bottom of the ladder with us back in 2004. Roughead & Franklin picks 2 & 4 in a draft.... nah they didn't re-build
As I said re Geelong go back to 2005 Thompson was close to losing his job because of their lack of success in his first couple of season. Their re-build came on the back of some stunning Father son picks and good recruiting dept
Agains go back to my previous post about Collingwood - sorry they re-built
Want me to go on?
They all have built up their lists and developed young players.
Biggest difference between them and us.
Resources - they poured resources into recruiting (we've only been doing it the last 4 years) and development
And while having success they make sure the plan and develop their next crop of players for the future.
Look at the Eagles, what a prime example, now they went from botton 6 to top 4 in a season.......why cant we do that, because we accept the crap the team dishes up and the WC faithful dont, neither does Worsfold or the administration.
The WC Eagles will be looking to win the flag this year and we should be playing finals....simple as that!!!!
The Eagles ...hmm sorry they re-built they said it!!!!
All through 2010 Worsfold said he was building a list for the future. That's what he said and in the process he accepted the "crap that was dished up" Since their last flag in 2006 look at the draft picks they had. They've bought in kids and developed them and they are now reaping the benefits
They also had the added bonus in 2011 of thier top line players actually being on the park - always helps ;D
Why because they have the resources
OK WP, I will agree with you, yep they rebuilt and now maintain their lists, pick the best players etc...Problem is we have been rebuilding since way befor all of them and they are well ahead of us......resources...players on the park...more excuses to me...
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Essendon and St.Kilda are ripe for a HUUUUUUUUGELY enjoyable slide down the ladder next year. Oh yeah. As are Sydney IMO. North were no better than us last season, and we have more upside moving forward. Melbourne are overrated for mine.
There's plenty of room for us 5th-8th on the ladder.
Harden up and hold your resolve.
Exactly DD, thst is what we should be aiming for no more improvement/developmnet crap every year......FINALS FINALS FINALS!!!!!
Keep the cards close to chest.
I'm sure that the club is aiming high.
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Essendon and St.Kilda are ripe for a HUUUUUUUUGELY enjoyable slide down the ladder next year. Oh yeah. As are Sydney IMO. North were no better than us last season, and we have more upside moving forward. Melbourne are overrated for mine.
There's plenty of room for us 5th-8th on the ladder.
Harden up and hold your resolve.
Exactly DD, thst is what we should be aiming for no more improvement/developmnet crap every year......FINALS FINALS FINALS!!!!!
Keep the cards close to chest.
I'm sure that the club is aiming high.
:lol........I hope they are aiming high, ....I sure as hell am!!!! Finals or bust!!
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so what are you gunna do wat, if the fairy godmother doesnt wave her magic wand to your satisfaction?
Move in with ramps? :P
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so what are you gunna do wat, if the fairy godmother doesnt wave her magic wand to your satisfaction?
Move in with ramps? :P
What are you going to do al if we finish below GC and/or GWS, the Dees, Brissy, PA.....stilll say we are improving and developing...
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agree completely with WA Tiger, need to play finals next year, otherwise we are just going around in circles, as has been the case for the last 10-20 years.
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so what are you gunna do wat, if the fairy godmother doesnt wave her magic wand to your satisfaction?
Move in with ramps? :P
What are you going to do al if we finish below GC and/or GWS, the Dees, Brissy, PA.....stilll say we are improving and developing...
Obviously, well to me anyway, if we finish below all those sides, we wont be improving, so i wouldnt say it :thumbsup
I would be very disappointed, but i wont be necking myself over it.
I will look for reasons as to why it happened, as i prefer solutions to retribution, but I wont be able to change a damn thing.
Your turn to answer...
Just to clarify WAT, a pass mark to me is to make the finals, because that is the goal set by the club, I just aren't getting my hopes or expectations up too much.
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agree completely with WA Tiger, need to play finals next year, otherwise we are just going around in circles, as has been the case for the last 10-20 years.
It looks like some are happy to do the circle work... :shh....and it seems some of us refuse to put up with another 20-30 years of crap....
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so what are you gunna do wat, if the fairy godmother doesnt wave her magic wand to your satisfaction?
Move in with ramps? :P
What are you going to do al if we finish below GC and/or GWS, the Dees, Brissy, PA.....stilll say we are improving and developing...
Obviously, well to me anyway, if we finish below all those sides, we wont be improving, so i wouldnt say it :thumbsup
I would be very disappointed, but i wont be necking myself over it.
I will look for reasons as to why it happened, as i prefer solutions to retribution, but I wont be able to change a damn thing.
Your turn to answer...
Just to clarify WAT, a pass mark to me is to make the finals, because that is the goal set by the club, I just aren't getting my hopes or expectations up too much.
Hey I won't neck myself either but hell are we going to say...it's ok we wre rebuilding and developing....crap no...we should be saying NO EXCUSES.
If finals is the pass mark set by the club then it should be the pass mark set by the supporters and if we dont get that pass mrk we should be peeed off. You should be getting hopes and expectations up.....we all should...no finals...failed year!!!
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agree completely with WA Tiger, need to play finals next year, otherwise we are just going around in circles, as has been the case for the last 10-20 years.
Same here Jack. We have put the 500 games into the Juniors that we were aiming to do for the last two seasons.
I expect to see last years draftees, Conca, Helbig, Batchelor and Derickx all really come on. Same goes for Astbury, Griffiths, Post and Grimes. They have had two or more pre-seasons now to build up some extra size and strength (although more will come with age) to compete with bigger sides. Maric and Morris will hopefully add a bit to the side this upcoming season. Even our first pick in the draft this year, and possibly pick 26 can also be there in round 1, depending on the type of player we take with respect to their body shape/size. Foley should be much better after another full pre-season.
Last season, we were in front of Carlton at 3/4 time in round 1, we were within 15 points or so of the Pies late in the third quarter, we copped the Hawks on a dirty dirty night weather wise (does not help a young side, and we had Astbury and Grimes as our 2 KPD that night IIRC), and were far from disgraced against Geelong. We certainly should have beaten Bombers the second time around as well. We MUST start beating sides like the Saints, Bulldogs, Swans and Kangas on a consistent basis.
As WP has posted however, a very bad injury run with our better players will really hurt us. But, I do not accept that we have the worst depth of all the finalist possibles. Take the top 3-4 onballers (our best players are largely our on-ballers) out of any side, Cats and Pies included, and they will struggle IMO. We still have a number of listed players that need to be moved on, but contract status stopped that happening this trade period. That will be fixed next year when the draft pool is much deeper.
But I agree with WAT, no excuses for 2012. Should at least make the bottom reaches of the 8 After all, it is part of our 3-0-75 plan is it not?? ;D
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of course there are excuses, just not many and even less that are likely.
as has already been pointed out a bad injury run, either in terms of quality or quantity will make it very difficult to win enough games to make the finals.
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WAT, chocolate land has a 50% off sale at the moment
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agree completely with WA Tiger, need to play finals next year, otherwise we are just going around in circles, as has been the case for the last 10-20 years.
It looks like some are happy to do the circle work... :shh....and it seems some of us refuse to put up with another 20-30 years of crap....
Stop putting words in peoples' mouths implying that they welcome failure. That is clearly not what is being said.
YOu contradict yourself constantly by maligning certain players and our lack of depth, but then you say we have no excuse to not make finals?
It doesnt add up. And dont bring up the same old '30 years of mediocrity, i am a hero' bullocks. What has happened in the past is irrelevant now. We can only deal with what we have now, and that is a talented, but raw list.
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agree completely with WA Tiger, need to play finals next year, otherwise we are just going around in circles, as has been the case for the last 10-20 years.
It looks like some are happy to do the circle work... :shh....and it seems some of us refuse to put up with another 20-30 years of crap....
Stop putting words in peoples' mouths implying that they welcome failure. That is clearly not what is being said.
YOu contradict yourself constantly by maligning certain players and our lack of depth, but then you say we have no excuse to not make finals?
It doesnt add up. And dont bring up the same old '30 years of mediocrity, i am a hero' bullocks. What has happened in the past is irrelevant now. We can only deal with what we have now, and that is a talented, but raw list.
Sorry Willy all I seem to be reading from your post is blah...excuse......blah excuse....blah...excuse. What has happened in the past is irrelevent now.....horsepoo, why the hell do you think we are in te state we are in FFS wake up, finals in 2012 or failure.
Its people like you that accept it, thats the difference, I dont.
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Its people like you that accept it, thats the difference, I dont.
hero. :bow
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some people see excuses, some people see reasons.
some people create problems, some people solve them.
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some people see excuses, some people see reasons.
some people create problems, some people solve them.
I spend every minute of the day sloving them al, I get sacked if I use excuses.......
Lets see the heads rolll at season end then if the excuses run out..
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Its people like you that accept it, thats the difference, I dont.
hero. :bow
Dito
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so what are you gunna do wat, if the fairy godmother doesnt wave her magic wand to your satisfaction?
Move in with ramps? :P
What are you going to do al if we finish below GC and/or GWS, the Dees, Brissy, PA.....stilll say we are improving and developing...
Rest easy WAT, won't happen.
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so what are you gunna do wat, if the fairy godmother doesnt wave her magic wand to your satisfaction?
Move in with ramps? :P
What are you going to do al if we finish below GC and/or GWS, the Dees, Brissy, PA.....stilll say we are improving and developing...
Rest easy WAT, won't happen.
I hope not smoke, just didn't like the way we capitulated to those teams or during winnable games last year.....
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WA - It's not about making excuses but rather not making rash decisions which hurt our chances of success. We can't afford to take chances. Any time we have tried our luck and tried to trade for success we have failed. Every time we have tried to take short cuts or demand immediate rewards we have failed.
The last era when we were successful we traded and bought our way to multiple flags. Anything other than success was not tolerated by the administration or supporters. The system changed. We didn't. 30 years later, multiple coaches, a truckload a crap and only 2 finals appearances later we have finally learnt that impatience and demanding immediate success only leads us down the same well worn path of misery. We have finally changed. We are taking no shortcuts and creating our own success.
How?! - From the gound up WAT. By spending the same money we used to when buying established players from other teams and states, on finding talented kids and developing them. Collingwood, Geelong, WC, Hawthorn and even stinkin' Carlton have done this for years while we have siad we were doing it but instead we had a part time recruiter, no development coach and a senior coach who was absent during training when our talent should have been educated.
It's one thing to demand success and point the finger at those who don't as excuse makers but it's another to say that we are happy with mediocrity and failure. I'm sick of losing, tired of never making the finals and fed-up with failure. We all want the same thing but some of us are willing to wait it out more than others.
Surely you can see we are on th ebrink now. We are close but we are not a flag contender yet. We should make the finals this year but we are no where near strong enough for a claim on the top 4. The growth of players like Vickery, Grimes, Rance, Batchelor, Cotchin, Martin and Houli give us hope but we need more. We need more development. We need more from more.
No one is making excuses. We are just trying to be realistic.
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Dead right Stripes totally agree, but I really agree with your sentence "We should make the finals this year" and thats what we need to aim for, thats what I am saying, too many supporters are happy with the development and improvement year for 2012 and beyond. I am not one of those people, finals in 2012, no excuses.
Excuses are easy.
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Dead right Stripes totally agree, but I really agree with your sentence "We should make the finals this year" and thats what we need to aim for, thats what I am saying, too many supporters are happy with the development and improvement year for 2012 and beyond. I am not one of those people, finals in 2012, no excuses.
Excuses are easy.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Dead right Stripes totally agree, but I really agree with your sentence "We should make the finals this year" and thats what we need to aim for, thats what I am saying, too many supporters are happy with the development and improvement year for 2012 and beyond. I am not one of those people, finals in 2012, no excuses.
Excuses are easy.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
True to form TFT, two posts that show your intellect....let me guess, you will quote this one too and do the same...or there abouts. :wallywink
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True to form TFT, two posts that show your intellect....let me guess, you will quote this one too and do the same...or there abouts. :wallywink
:lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
I'm actually praying we decide just to tank the whole season (as you wished for this :wallywink)
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Dead right Stripes totally agree, but I really agree with your sentence "We should make the finals this year" and thats what we need to aim for, thats what I am saying, too many supporters are happy with the development and improvement year for 2012 and beyond. I am not one of those people, finals in 2012, no excuses.
Excuses are easy.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
True to form TFT, two posts that show your intellect....let me guess, you will quote this one too and do the same...or there abouts. :wallywink
If only all posters were like you WAT...
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True to form TFT, two posts that show your intellect....let me guess, you will quote this one too and do the same...or there abouts. :wallywink
:lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
I'm actually praying we decide just to tank the whole season (as you wished for this :wallywink)
I have never ever said we should tank, never ever used those words ever, go look.
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Leave out the personal stuff ppl just because you disagree with another poster and instead stick to the topic!
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Look all in all its like this, I believe after last year and the games we should of won and didn't that we should of played finals and we didnt.
We should not of dropped the games we did that would of seen us in the finals. Weak, very weak performances.
Year after year we a supposed to get better one would think which menas next year those games we must win, that will get us into the finals.
So we must play finals, losing those games again next year is just not acceptable and I won't be accepting the losses or not making the finals like some of you will. All in the face of what you prercieve as development.......Development that has been going on at our club for too long..far too long!!
We need to start the push and it needs to be next year.....NO EXCUSES!!!!
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so, once again, what are you going to do if your demands are not met?
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Injuries to key players is an excuse, lack of depth is an excuse and all teams could serve these up but they don't.
Enough is enough FINALS!
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Dead right Stripes totally agree, but I really agree with your sentence "We should make the finals this year" and thats what we need to aim for, thats what I am saying, too many supporters are happy with the development and improvement year for 2012 and beyond. I am not one of those people, finals in 2012, no excuses.
Excuses are easy.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
True to form TFT, two posts that show your intellect....let me guess, you will quote this one too and do the same...or there abouts. :wallywink
If only all posters were like you WAT...
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Back at you Willy, your posts are ....well..... :sleep :help
:clapping
Such a warrior you are...
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WAT's a good bloke he's entitled to do nothing but whinge and moan
leave the bloke alone you >:(
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im with ya WAT.
If Bombers can play finals with that list then we can. Its as simple as that
we beat Sydney, Bombers who played finals so no excuses.
I get the feeling the club knows it must make finals also, everything is pointing to that not this improving rubbish that we have been spoon fed for 20 years
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His post is just frustration at the apologists continually making excuses for our club. We could trade Martin and Cotchin for pick 23, 37 and 56 and the same ppl will tell us it was a smart move and had to happen :lol
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so, once again, what are you going to do if your demands are not met?
I would personally continue to hold Nick Daffy as hostage until ALL demands are met but it's WATs crusade....
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His post is just frustration at the apologists continually making excuses for our club. We could trade Martin and Cotchin for pick 23, 37 and 56 and the same ppl will tell us it was a smart move and had to happen :lol
Bojangles :lol
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so, once again, what are you going to do if your demands are not met?
stuff all Al, but as supporters we should be demanding success not mediocracy as you and others accept!!!! YEAR after YEAR!!!
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im with ya WAT.
If Bombers can play finals with that list then we can. Its as simple as that
we beat Sydney, Bombers who played finals so no excuses.
I get the feeling the club knows it must make finals also, everything is pointing to that not this improving rubbish that we have been spoon fed for 20 years
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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You are a legend WAT. I bet you are sitting on a motorcycle right now.
SOme people should show some respect to this great man.
Where is the WA Tiger Appreciation Thread? Long overdue.
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You are a legend WAT. I bet you are sitting on a motorcycle right now.
SOme people should show some respect to this great man.
Where is the WA Tiger Appreciation Thread? Long overdue.
Thanks Gerks, I am sure you are too......Um completely wrong actually I am no where near my motorbike, I am in Africa helping to develop the local people so that one day they can run their own country free of corruption and famine....so you were close....NOT.
Perhaps you should actually understand the intent of my thread, nothing to do with me, its about playing finals next year, I believe we should be, we ware in a position to as we were last year, we need to make it some time and next year we should, with no excuses.
Its funny how the greats of the game like the Careys etc... come out saying how mentally weak we are, I can accept that, can you.
Toughen up Tigers and play finals the excuses need to end one day.
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Look cocksmoker, 1965
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You are a legend WAT. I bet you are sitting on a motorcycle right now.
SOme people should show some respect to this great man.
Where is the WA Tiger Appreciation Thread? Long overdue.
BTW get your quotes right, it was 1995....you ledgend.
nah WAT, in all fairness to gerks, he was having a play at his old sparring partner 1965, was a quality post :clapping
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Thanks Gerks, I am sure you are too......Um completely wrong actually I am no where near my motorbike, I am in Africa helping to develop the local people so that one day they can run their own country free of corruption and famine....so you were close....NOT.
Perhaps you should actually understand the intent of my thread, nothing to do with me, its about playing finals next year, I believe we should be, we ware in a position to as we were last year, we need to make it some time and next year we should, with no excuses.
Its funny how the greats of the game like the Careys etc... come out saying how mentally weak we are, I can accept that, can you.
Toughen up Tigers and play finals the excuses need to end one day.
I always picture you sitting on a motorcycle, it's how i like to imagine you.
Couldn't you help the africans whilst sitting on a motorcycle? For them as much as for me. :pray
nah WAT, in all fairness to gerks, he was having a play at his old sparring partner 1965, was a quality post :clapping
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You are a legend WAT. I bet you are sitting on a motorcycle right now.
SOme people should show some respect to this great man.
Where is the WA Tiger Appreciation Thread? Long overdue.
BTW get your quotes right, it was 1995....you ledgend.
nah WAT, in all fairness to gerks, he was having a play at his old sparring partner 1965, was a quality post :clapping
Yeah I figured that actually but I like 1965.
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Haha. I guess you saying 'no more excuses' makes you a winner does it? :lol :clapping
You do realise this whole thread is completely and utterly useless dont you? You saying you are expecting finals next year will make absolutely no difference to our performance and provides absolutely no analysis or insight for others to use.
Basically you are conducting yourself as if you have proposed something revolutionary, but you are just rehashing some tired old poo that Jackstar has been dribbling all year.
How about actually posting something interesting or constructive, instead of 50 'Edwards is poo' and 30 'no more excuses' posts every day?
How about you tell us all about the last Richmond game you attended back in 92? :lol
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Snip :banghead :banghead
Enough with the personal insults & childish name calling because you dont agree with someone
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You are a legend WAT. I bet you are sitting on a motorcycle right now.
SOme people should show some respect to this great man.
Where is the WA Tiger Appreciation Thread? Long overdue.
BTW get your quotes right, it was 1995....you ledgend.
nah WAT, in all fairness to gerks, he was having a play at his old sparring partner 1965, was a quality post :clapping
awww geee :lol
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Haha. I guess you saying 'no more excuses' makes you a winner does it? :lol :clapping
You do realise this whole thread is completely and utterly useless dont you? You saying you are expecting finals next year will make absolutely no difference to our performance and provides absolutely no analysis or insight for others to use.
Basically you are conducting yourself as if you have proposed something revolutionary, but you are just rehashing some tired old poo that Jackstar has been dribbling all year.
How about actually posting something interesting or constructive, instead of 50 'Edwards is poo' and 30 'no more excuses' posts every day?
How about you tell us all about the last Richmond game you attended back in 92? :lol
No more excuses means what it means, read it anyway you want but thats it IMO.
No I dont agree, I am saying that if we don't make the finals next year there should be no excuses, thought that was pretty clear cut....
Why is it that after the crap games we played last year and over the year the coaches and players come out saying we have no excuses we just did not perform on the big stage......or do you have a selective memory.
How about you don't comment on this thread if you don't like it.....I am posting the excuses posts and Edwards posts as much as the McGuane and Gus and many other posts...
No it was actually when we beat the Eagles by 77 points at Subi/Patterson Stadium........when we knew how to win.... Remember big things were predicted for us for the following year but then the excuses started again and haven't stopped.
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i can just see it now. we get hit with something along the lines of what man u did in '58 and we'd still have the same old sad sacks screaming no excuses.
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i can just see it now. we get hit with something along the lines of what man u did in '58 and we'd still have the same old sad sacks screaming no excuses.
Not sure what happened there al, but you won't hear me saying no more excuses when we stop using them for poor performance.
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google "manchester united 1958" WAT.
most sane people would accept that as an excuse for not making the finals.
what about you?
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google "manchester united 1958" WAT.
most sane people would accept that as an excuse for not making the finals.
what about you?
I am not really interested in how Man United went in 1958, geezus man, lets use another million teams as examples....
I am interested in the RFC making the finals in 2012 without making excuses every time we lose games we should win. Games that would, should and will get us into finals next year.
Its simple, have the mental strength to with the games we should and we will get there. I can see it. Finals in 2012!!!
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so you are categorically saying that what happened to them would not be a valid reason for missing the finals?
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O.K WAT, List the games here and now we should Win next season and why. After there played we can then debate wher it all went wron (If it does) ;) ;)
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Im all up for a genuine game by game win/loss scenario. I was think to do one for the entire afl fixture, but just havnt got round to it ::) :P
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so you are categorically saying that what happened to them would not be a valid reason for missing the finals?
No, I said I don't care what happend to them or any other team. We are talking about the RFC making the finals in 2012 with no excuses, not any other team.
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O.K WAT, List the games here and now we should Win next season and why. After there played we can then debate wher it all went wron (If it does) ;) ;)
Give me a list of the games then.
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so you are categorically saying that what happened to them would not be a valid reason for missing the finals?
No, I said I don't care what happend to them or any other team. We are talking about the RFC making the finals in 2012 with no excuses, not any other team.
The team went down in an plane crash.
The problem isnt your stuffing opinions. You are as entitled to an opinion as any of us. IT'S HOW YOU DELIVER IT. You shove it down peoples throats .
You say that pope might be "in for it" on your silly thread. Why would he be???????????
If he posts it like a raving lunatic 173 times in two days, people might have a go at him.
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I think we should win 12 - 15 games next year. 12 as a minimum, 15 we have played out of our skins.
That assumes an average run with injuries.
Now that probably means finals, but if we won 12 games and it was a freak year when 12 didn't get in I wouldn't consider it a failure.
If we won less than 12 given a fair run with injuries I would end Hardwick's tenure.
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O.K WAT, List the games here and now we should Win next season and why. After there played we can then debate wher it all went wron (If it does) ;) ;)
Give me a list of the games then.
Huh :huh :huh Re read my post......Can you please list the games you think we "SHOULD" win so we can make sense of this quote.
I am interested in the RFC making the finals in 2012 without making excusesevery time we lose games we should win.
Is that clearer for you :lol :lol
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Ok here we go, found this list...
Richmond's 2012 draw.
R1 Carlton H (Win, don't rate Carlton do I WP, never have, they cant get past the same final every year we were so close last year, we have a better midfield and forward line and now we have an extra ruck man and hard nut to go with Tuck. Want to talk improvement then this is the game to win))
R2 Geelong A SS (Loss, mentally weak against this team, just cant ever get the business done.)
R3 Collingwood H (Win, really had a decent crack at them last year and could of easily won, need to believe in themselves here, could actually be a decent win.)
R4 West Coast A (Win, we play well at Subi, belief again, we have a much better midfield then them and once the crowd is shut up and we stay focused a win is on)
R5 Hawthorn H (Win, really for some reason other than Buddy we seem to get stage fright when playing this team, have beaten them against the odds and lost when we should of won. Must harden up in this game, Grimes on Buddy, beat them early in the season)
R6 Essendon A (Win, seriously where are this team at...playing on emotion from James Hird, get over it Tigers and harden up again. smash them through the centre and run the legs off them.)
R7 Sydney A (Loss, hate playing Sydney at the best of times, in particular in Sydney, they are one team that never gives up and we cant handle that fact mentally, would be an astounding win if....)
R8 Port Adelaide H Darwin (Win, NO EXCUSES dont be silly, dont win this, they are in front of everyones so called development and they shouldn't be)
R9 Adelaide A (Win, Improve you say then we have to win this..better team all round then the Crows)
R10 Gold Coast H Cairns (Win, we should be at least 2 years ahead of this team, really looked liked fools against them last year)
R11 Brisbane A (Win, honestly are they still in the AFL, worst recruiting since us a few years ago, simply do not have the class of our midfield.)
R12 Geelong H (Loss, should get closer this time, hopefuly within the 20-30 point range, but alas they are a great team.
R13 Collingwood A (Loss, the Pies will be on top of their game at this stage of the seasin ind hard to beat, could pull it off but I doubt it.)
R14 Hawthorn A (Loss, things will be falling into place for the Hawks around now, they will win but this is the time of the year they can be easily beaten)
R15 StKilda H Dome (Win, should have beaten them last year, another no excuse game, we are a musch faster side and should clean them up easily)
R16 Bulldogs H Dome (Win....Please, this was the game this year that started the rot, the loss of self confidence etc.....the Dogs period is over, has been for a while. should do this one easily.)
R17 Melbourne A (Win, way better team than Melbourne, way better, they can't cover Scully, their youth is not that good and their older players will not have anything left in the tank.)
R18 Carlton H (Loss, carlton will be preparing to make it to the finals to lose again, prime time to take them but a game we could go in as favourites and blow like we usually do)
R19 Fremantle A (Loss, while we play well against them I think they will be up and about next year, very hard to beat them at home when they are like this.)
R20 North Melb H (Win, they beat us too easily and its payback time, our youth is better than thiers and Boomer can't keep that pace up all year again...surley)
R21 Essendon H (Win, falling appart for the Bombers by now, everyone will be onto Hirds game plan and our players should have the game time in their legs....shouldn't they...)
R22 West Coast H (Win, simple, they still find it hard to play and win away in Melbourne and we love playing them there. Might be too cocky if they are in the top 6)
R23 Gold Coast A (Win, No Excuses)
R24 GWS A (Win, No Excuses)
So there you go, 17 wins out of 24 for me.....yep call me what you will but we can do it.
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so you are categorically saying that what happened to them would not be a valid reason for missing the finals?
No, I said I don't care what happend to them or any other team. We are talking about the RFC making the finals in 2012 with no excuses, not any other team.
The team went down in an plane crash. .
The problem isnt your stuffing opinions. You are as entitled to an opinion as any of us. IT'S HOW YOU DELIVER IT. You shove it down peoples throats .
You say that pope might be "in for it" on your silly thread. Why would he be???????????
If he posts it like a raving lunatic 173 times in two days, people might have a go at him.
Yep good on you champ!!!!
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Not a bad assessment, WT. Not sure about rounds 1 and 3 but I'd fancy Sydney away, so I see a good chance for 16 at best.
Certainly 12 - 16 should be minimum and that should mean finals.
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So there you go, 17 wins out of 24 for me.....yep call me what you will but we can do it.
We play 22 games.
Not 24.
There are only 23 rounds, and we have a bye
http://www.afl.com.au/2012%20fixture/tabid/10586/default.aspx
Try again
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A moron.
We play 22 games.
Not 24.
There are only 23 rounds, and we have a bye
http://www.afl.com.au/2012%20fixture/tabid/10586/default.aspx
Try again
(http://shinshuri.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/No-Excuse-Zone-300x300.jpg)
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Ok here we go, found this list...
Richmond's 2012 draw.
Hate to break it to you WAT but what you listed that isn't our draw as pointed out by damo
Only 22 rounds next season with 1 bye
FWIW this is our 2012 draw:
1. Carlton MCG Home
2. Collingwood MCG Away
3. Melboune MCG Home
4. Geelong Simonds Stadium Away
5. West Coast Etihad Stadium Home
6. Port Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away
7. Sydney MCG Home
8. Essendon MCG Away
9. Hawthorn MCG Home
10. St Kilda Etihad Stadium Away
11. Fremantle MCG Home
12. GWS Skoda Stadium Away
13. Bye
14. Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away
15. Melbourne MCG Away
16. Gold Coast Cazalys Stadium Home
17. North Melb MCG Home
18. Carlton MCG Away
19. Brisbane 'Gabba Away
20. Bulldogs MCG Home
21. Fremantle Patersons Stadium Away
22. Essendon MCG Home
23. Port Adelaide MCG Home
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So there you go, 17 wins out of 24 for me.....yep call me what you will but we can do it.
We play 22 games.
Not 24.
There are only 23 rounds, and we have a bye
http://www.afl.com.au/2012%20fixture/tabid/10586/default.aspx
Try again
Thats not very nice Damo?? :banghead
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Well thats te list of games I got off the 2012 game thread on this forum.....so take out the ones that are not there and thats my list.
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And BTW we had another thread going with how many games people thought we'd win in 2012
See:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=14363.0
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Well thats te list of games I got off the 2012 game thread on this forum.....so take out the ones that are not there and thats my list.
I think you found the "dummy" draw that some put up as a joke
There is stand alone thread for the 2012 draw that is "stickied" on the first page othe Richmond Rant Forum
See: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=14362.0
And BTW what you are suggesting wont work there are teams we play twice in the "real" draw that aren't in the list you did
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so you are categorically saying that what happened to them would not be a valid reason for missing the finals?
No, I said I don't care what happend to them or any other team. We are talking about the RFC making the finals in 2012 with no excuses, not any other team.
The team went down in an plane crash.
The problem isnt your stuffing opinions. You are as entitled to an opinion as any of us. IT'S HOW YOU DELIVER IT. You shove it down peoples throats .
You say that pope might be "in for it" on your silly thread. Why would he be???????????
If he posts it like a raving lunatic 173 times in two days, people might have a go at him.
Gee if the RFC was taken down in a plane crash would that affect their finals chances....um, , do you think it would affect their chances..... How many other examples of pure stupidity do you wnat to use????
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so you are categorically saying that what happened to them would not be a valid reason for missing the finals?
No, I said I don't care what happend to them or any other team. We are talking about the RFC making the finals in 2012 with no excuses, not any other team.
The team went down in an plane crash. .
The problem isnt your stuffing opinions. You are as entitled to an opinion as any of us. IT'S HOW YOU DELIVER IT. You shove it down peoples throats.
You say that pope might be "in for it" on your silly thread. Why would he be???????????
If he posts it like a raving lunatic 173 times in two days, people might have a go at him.
Gee if the RFC was taken down in a plane crash would that affect their finals chances....um, do you think it would affect their chances..... How many other examples of pure stupidity do you wnat to use????
thats not very nice man. no need for that language
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well thats it then. enough wins to make the top 4, locked and loaded.
cant wait for the season to start - bring on the hissy fits and tanties.
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so you are categorically saying that what happened to them would not be a valid reason for missing the finals?
No, I said I don't care what happend to them or any other team. We are talking about the RFC making the finals in 2012 with no excuses, not any other team.
The team went down in an plane crash. .
The problem isnt your stuffing opinions. You are as entitled to an opinion as any of us. IT'S HOW YOU DELIVER IT. You shove it down peoples throats
You say that pope might be "in for it" on your silly thread. Why would he be???????????
If he posts it like a raving lunatic 173 times in two days, people might have a go at him.
Gee if the RFC was taken down in a plane crash would that affect their finals chances....um, do you think it would affect their chances..... How many other examples of pure stupidity do you wnat to use????
thats not very nice man. no need for that language
But this is ok Davey...."You knowledge-less, inconsiderate, heartless clown"
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Ok, just popped some corn in the microwave, sat down, opened this thread waiting for round 24 to begin...... Or is that round 25. No matter I'll try and pick it up as I go.
As you were
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In the end it doesn't matter, top 8 in 2012, take the games out of my list that I believe we should win, the ones that are relevant.
We should still be playing finals!!!!!
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In the end it doesn't matter, top 8 in 2012, take the games out of my list that I believe we should win, the ones that are relevant.
We should still be playing finals!!!!!
Can we have your assessment of the "real draw" now :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin
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1. Carlton MCG Home WIN
2. Collingwood MCG Away LOSS
3. Melboune MCG Home WIN
4. Geelong Simonds Stadium Away LOSS
5. West Coast Etihad Stadium Home WIN
6. Port Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
7. Sydney MCG Home LOSS
8. Essendon MCG Away WIN
9. Hawthorn MCG Home LOSS
10. St Kilda Etihad Stadium Away WIN
11. Fremantle MCG Home WIN
12. GWS Skoda Stadium Away WIN
13. Bye
14. Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
15. Melbourne MCG Away WIN
16. Gold Coast Cazalys Stadium Home WIN
17. North Melb MCG Home WIN
18. Carlton MCG Away LOSS
19. Brisbane 'Gabba Away WIN
20. Bulldogs MCG Home WIN
21. Fremantle Patersons Stadium Away LOSS
22. Essendon MCG Home WIN
23. Port Adelaide MCG Home WIN
There it is, with the real draw. 16 wins!! A few changed with home ground advantage.
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1. Carlton MCG Home WIN
2. Collingwood MCG Away LOSS
3. Melboune MCG Home WIN
4. Geelong Simonds Stadium Away LOSS
5. West Coast Etihad Stadium Home WIN
6. Port Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
7. Sydney MCG Home LOSS
8. Essendon MCG Away WIN
9. Hawthorn MCG Home LOSS
10. St Kilda Etihad Stadium Away WIN
11. Fremantle MCG Home WIN
12. GWS Skoda Stadium Away WIN
13. Bye
14. Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
15. Melbourne MCG Away WIN
16. Gold Coast Cazalys Stadium Home WIN
17. North Melb MCG Home WIN
18. Carlton MCG Away LOSS
19. Brisbane 'Gabba Away WIN
20. Bulldogs MCG Home WIN
21. Fremantle Patersons Stadium Away LOSS
22. Essendon MCG Home WIN
23. Port Adelaide MCG Home WIN
There it is, with the real draw. 16 wins!!
I like it :thumbsup :thumbsup I'm freeing up September allready :lol
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Can't even strep away for 15 minutes to have dinner with my family :banghead :banghead :banghead
SNIP again :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Stick to the topic people
It isn't that bloody hard
I don't care who started it, who said what to who,
Repeat dont' care
Debate the topic without the insults, sniping and crap and stick to the topic >:(
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glad I aint involved for once ;) ::)
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1. Carlton MCG Home WIN
2. Collingwood MCG Away LOSS
3. Melboune MCG Home WIN
4. Geelong Simonds Stadium Away LOSS
5. West Coast Etihad Stadium Home WIN
6. Port Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
7. Sydney MCG Home LOSS
8. Essendon MCG Away WIN
9. Hawthorn MCG Home LOSS
10. St Kilda Etihad Stadium Away WIN
11. Fremantle MCG Home WIN
12. GWS Skoda Stadium Away WIN
13. Bye
14. Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
15. Melbourne MCG Away WIN
16. Gold Coast Cazalys Stadium Home WIN
17. North Melb MCG Home WIN
18. Carlton MCG Away LOSS
19. Brisbane 'Gabba Away WIN
20. Bulldogs MCG Home WIN
21. Fremantle Patersons Stadium Away LOSS
22. Essendon MCG Home WIN
23. Port Adelaide MCG Home WIN
There it is, with the real draw. 16 wins!!
I like it :thumbsup :thumbsup I'm freeing up September allready :lol
Every game is winnable, do you think the players will go into every game thinking they can win or lose????? Many of those games will be penned in by the club as they were last year, we just didnt win the ones we should of.
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glad I aint involved for once ;) ::)
First time for everything ;) ;D
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glad I aint involved for once ;) ::)
Give it time... :thumbsup
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glad I aint involved for once ;) ::)
Give it time... :thumbsup
I actually agree with WA, dont play finals with that draw, and its a failure
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1. Carlton MCG Home WIN
2. Collingwood MCG Away LOSS
3. Melboune MCG Home WIN
4. Geelong Simonds Stadium Away LOSS
5. West Coast Etihad Stadium Home WIN
6. Port Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
7. Sydney MCG Home LOSS
8. Essendon MCG Away WIN
9. Hawthorn MCG Home LOSS
10. St Kilda Etihad Stadium Away WIN
11. Fremantle MCG Home WIN
12. GWS Skoda Stadium Away WIN
13. Bye
14. Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
15. Melbourne MCG Away WIN
16. Gold Coast Cazalys Stadium Home WIN
17. North Melb MCG Home WIN
18. Carlton MCG Away LOSS
19. Brisbane 'Gabba Away WIN
20. Bulldogs MCG Home WIN
21. Fremantle Patersons Stadium Away LOSS
22. Essendon MCG Home WIN
23. Port Adelaide MCG Home WIN
There it is, with the real draw. 16 wins!! A few changed with home ground advantage.
Strange.
With the dummy draw of 24 rounds we beat the pies early doors.
Now we dont.
Wasnt a good hour for the club
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no excuses damo. we had them for the taking but just couldnt get the chockies.
just not good enough.
another failure by the club.
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Hi Guys,
How is everyone going? ;D
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gotta love the off-season, eh?
:lol
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gotta love the off-season, eh?
:lol
:nope
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1. Carlton MCG Home WIN
2. Collingwood MCG Away LOSS
3. Melboune MCG Home WIN
4. Geelong Simonds Stadium Away LOSS
5. West Coast Etihad Stadium Home WIN
6. Port Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
7. Sydney MCG Home LOSS
8. Essendon MCG Away WIN
9. Hawthorn MCG Home LOSS
10. St Kilda Etihad Stadium Away WIN
11. Fremantle MCG Home WIN
12. GWS Skoda Stadium Away WIN
13. Bye
14. Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
15. Melbourne MCG Away WIN
16. Gold Coast Cazalys Stadium Home WIN
17. North Melb MCG Home WIN
18. Carlton MCG Away LOSS
19. Brisbane 'Gabba Away WIN
20. Bulldogs MCG Home WIN
21. Fremantle Patersons Stadium Away LOSS
22. Essendon MCG Home WIN
23. Port Adelaide MCG Home WIN
There it is, with the real draw. 16 wins!! A few changed with home ground advantage.
Strange.
With the dummy draw of 24 rounds we beat the pies early doors.
Now we dont.
Wasnt a good hour for the club
Sorry had a change of heart for one game..sue me...
Al, get over it mate, put your selections up but try and leave the smart arse crap out now, we have all had a go at each other....move on.
Like I said those are my thoughts on what we should win based on the team we have and the players we have picked up and the development and improvement of our team....... so step up tigers...NO EXCUSES!!!!! :lol
If you don't agree thats fine...
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gotta love the off-season, eh?
:lol
:nope
:lol
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google "manchester united 1958" WAT.
most sane people would accept that as an excuse for not making the finals.
what about you?
I am not really interested in how Man United went in 1958, geezus man, lets use another million teams as examples....
I am interested in the RFC making the finals in 2012 without making excuses every time we lose games we should win. Games that would, should and will get us into finals next year.
Its simple, have the mental strength to with the games we should and we will get there. I can see it. Finals in 2012!!!
seriously why bother. they will never change like TM said.
Man u, Chelsea, next it will be Melbourne Victory etc etc hahaha great comparisons..Please
Do we have holes. Yep sure do but IMO we have the list to make finals. If we dont its all between our ears thats unless we have a Fremantle type scenario with injuries
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google "manchester united 1958" WAT.
most sane people would accept that as an excuse for not making the finals.
what about you?
I am not really interested in how Man United went in 1958, geezus man, lets use another million teams as examples....
I am interested in the RFC making the finals in 2012 without making excuses every time we lose games we should win. Games that would, should and will get us into finals next year.
Its simple, have the mental strength to with the games we should and we will get there. I can see it. Finals in 2012!!!
seriously why bother. they will never change like TM said.
Man u, Chelsea, next it will be Melbourne Victory etc etc hahaha great comparisons..Please
Do we have holes. Yep sure do but IMO we have the list to make finals. If we dont its all between our ears thats unless we have a Fremantle type scenario with injuries
Yep good point, I think so many people have developed that losing mentality they half expect it and half except it....thats why we have been down for so long half our players and some supporters expected it and the other half excepted it.
The playing group has changed lets hope whats between their ears has too.
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WAT, if you'd have come out and said 'I think the club should aim for finals because we have an emerging list and a reasonable draw,' i dont think too people would have a problem. But with your rigid 'finals or failure' attitude and your labelling of everone who doesnt agree with you essentially as 'losers,' you take an unnecessarily combative stance and its as if you are trying to set the club up for another failure.
We realise how important next year is, and I would suggest that Dimma does too. We will have enough pressure from the media who love nothing more than another RFC screw up. We dont need supporters baying for blood before the season has even started.
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1. Carlton MCG Home WIN
2. Collingwood MCG Away LOSS
3. Melboune MCG Home WIN
4. Geelong Simonds Stadium Away LOSS
5. West Coast Etihad Stadium Home WIN
6. Port Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
7. Sydney MCG Home LOSS
8. Essendon MCG Away WIN
9. Hawthorn MCG Home LOSS
10. St Kilda Etihad Stadium Away WIN
11. Fremantle MCG Home WIN
12. GWS Skoda Stadium Away WIN
13. Bye
14. Adelaide AAMI Stadium Away WIN
15. Melbourne MCG Away WIN
16. Gold Coast Cazalys Stadium Home WIN
17. North Melb MCG Home WIN
18. Carlton MCG Away LOSS
19. Brisbane 'Gabba Away WIN
20. Bulldogs MCG Home WIN
21. Fremantle Patersons Stadium Away LOSS
22. Essendon MCG Home WIN
23. Port Adelaide MCG Home WIN
There it is, with the real draw. 16 wins!! A few changed with home ground advantage.
Mate, you missed our first win fit the season? .................... The extension of Hardwicks contract before the season starts ;D
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WAT, if you'd have come out and said 'I think the club should aim for finals because we have an emerging list and a reasonable draw,' i dont think too people would have a problem. But with your rigid 'finals or failure' attitude and your labelling of everone who doesnt agree with you essentially as 'losers,' you take an unnecessarily combative stance and its as if you are trying to set the club up for another failure.
We realise how important next year is, and I would suggest that Dimma does too. We will have enough pressure from the media who love nothing more than another RFC screw up. We dont need supporters baying for blood before the season has even started.
Who has a problem with what he is saying
are you that thick, of course thats why we should make finals. Do you think he would come out and say no excuses if we play Geelong , Pies and Eagles twice. On the flip side im sure if we self destructed like Freo no more excuses, would not be relevant.
Its only since the draw has come out that some supporters like me really think we should be playing finals in 2012.
Combine that with the fact we will be aiming for the same spots as clubs like Bummers, Nought, Dees. Swans who we beat this year then WAT is spot on the mark.
Its all in the players head simple as that.
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Good thread, snips and insults put to one side.
I personally think another year of tanking was the highlight but that was way back on page 2. I was genuinely excited when WAT both saved Africa AND added 2 rounds in 3 pages - still won 17 games in a souped up draw. Truly epic, movie quality of "field of dreams" proportions.
I fear this thread is beginning to lose momentum and then we lose the "unloseable" game to the Pies. What twist will this thread take? Will we re-build? Will we sack Hardwick? Will we tank again?
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WAT, if you'd have come out and said 'I think the club should aim for finals because we have an emerging list and a reasonable draw,' i dont think too people would have a problem. But with your rigid 'finals or failure' attitude and your labelling of everone who doesnt agree with you essentially as 'losers,' you take an unnecessarily combative stance and its as if you are trying to set the club up for another failure.
We realise how important next year is, and I would suggest that Dimma does too. We will have enough pressure from the media who love nothing more than another RFC screw up. We dont need supporters baying for blood before the season has even started.
Who has a problem with what he is saying
Oh absolutely no one. Clearly everyone has been nodding in agreement in this thread. :whistle
Are YOU that thick?
gimp.
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WAT, if you'd have come out and said 'I think the club should aim for finals because we have an emerging list and a reasonable draw,' i dont think too people would have a problem. But with your rigid 'finals or failure' attitude and your labelling of everone who doesnt agree with you essentially as 'losers,' you take an unnecessarily combative stance and its as if you are trying to set the club up for another failure.
We realise how important next year is, and I would suggest that Dimma does too. We will have enough pressure from the media who love nothing more than another RFC screw up. We dont need supporters baying for blood before the season has even started.
Mate did I call you a loser???? No I didnt, yes I will stick to my guns about the final because I do believe we can and should make it...I said if people don't garee thats fine, but thats what I think.
We should be playing finals next year, unless the team goes down ina a plane accident as was pointed out.
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:lol
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Here is an example of an excuse I am talking about...
Richmond didn't beat PA last year because they chose the money over the 4pts and played in ......
The wet conditions were too much for the young Tiger legs so they lost to the Hawks....
The Tigers were clearly not on their game today thats why they lost to the Dogs......
The Tigers have had to travel twice in three weeks and you can see that it's taken it's toll....
PLEASE no more of the crap excuses....thats what I mean!!!
HRT, you really are a :wallywink....you have just contradicted yourself with your post.
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how 'bout this for an excuse -"not good enough"?
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how 'bout this for an excuse -"not good enough"?
So the likes of Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Foley, Morris, Tuck and maybe Conca in the centre and a couple of others do not compare or are "not good enough" against other centres........
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what about : "we had edwards in the side"?
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what about : "we had edwards in the side"?
Al, I have given excuses that have been used and were used last year, simple as that.
"Not good enough" is yours...ok....great explanation, would have to ask you then will we ever be??
Edwards in one player, yes one player I dont believe is up to AFL standard, but where in my list of excuses that have been used have I said Edwards???????
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um... what about, "we caught the wrong bus and went to the wrong ground?"
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um... what about, "we caught the wrong bus and went to the wrong ground?"
Well there is another excuse.....the good old bus trip, was talked up all week leading into the next game..
This is what I wont accept, you can but I won't!
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what about : "we had edwards in the side"?
Or " there's a freak on a fan forum putting way to much presure on us" :lol :rollin
Why the stuff cant you just reply to the comments instead of the smart behind poo all the time, are you 3??
I was just throwing up potential excuses? Were going to have to loose one or two games you know ;D ;D
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Thread of the year. so many laughs.
what a happy family we have here.
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Mate did I call you a loser???? No I didnt,
You insinuated as much to others on multiple occasions with all your hero talk. Pretty sure you actually used the term too I dont really give a hoot, just pointing out that its not a very endearing approach and fairly uncalled for IMO. But watevs.
U've definitely kept me entertained this evening, WAT. I will give you that. :thumbsup
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um... what about, "we caught the wrong bus and went to the wrong ground?"
Well there is another excuse.....the good old bus trip, was talked up all week leading into the next game..
This is what I wont accept, you can but I won't!
But we won the next game so how was that an excuse :huh :huh
BTW I'm pretty sure it was only your mate Jackstar banging on about what would happen if we lost after such an alleged debarcle :lol
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um... what about, "we caught the wrong bus and went to the wrong ground?"
Well there is another excuse.....the good old bus trip, was talked up all week leading into the next game..
This is what I wont accept, you can but I won't!
didnt realise when you said no excuses you were referring to games won?
but anyways, what about;
"too many midgets easily brushed aside"
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Mate did I call you a loser???? No I didnt,
You insinuated as much to others on multiple occasions with all your hero talk. Pretty sure you actually used the term too I dont really give a hoot, just pointing out that its not a very endearing approach and fairly uncalled for IMO. But watevs.
U've definitely kept me entertained this evening, WAT. I will give you that. :thumbsup
No I didnt call or insinuate anyone was a loser as an individual.....so you need to get that right.
Thanks no worries, any time, I just can't wait for the real season to start when all the closet whingers come out AGAIN!!!
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Mate did I call you a loser???? No I didnt,
You insinuated as much to others on multiple occasions with all your hero talk. Pretty sure you actually used the term too I dont really give a hoot, just pointing out that its not a very endearing approach and fairly uncalled for IMO. But watevs.
U've definitely kept me entertained this evening, WAT. I will give you that. :thumbsup
No I didnt call or insinuate anyone was a loser as an individual.....so you need to get that right.
Thanks no worries, any time, I just can't wait for the real season to start when all the closet whingers come out AGAIN!!!
soooo....i take it you have already come out of the closet?
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um... what about, "we caught the wrong bus and went to the wrong ground?"
Well there is another excuse.....the good old bus trip, was talked up all week leading into the next game..
This is what I wont accept, you can but I won't!
But we won the next game so how was that an excuse :huh :huh
BTW I'm pretty sure it was only your mate Jackstar banging on about what would happen if we lost after such an alleged debarcle :lol
I didn't say we lost that game, it was the excuse leading up to the game, it went on all week, go back on this forum and have a look....we always make excuses sometimes like this occasion before the next game....a week before.
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No one made excuses for that game. It was just JJ bagging the club for taking a bus home.
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please please dont make go back and reads Jacks crap all over again...
PLEASE?
back on topic, how 'bout;
"gus didnt go all in"?
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No one made excuses for that game. It was just JJ bagging the club for taking a bus home.
This........re read the bus thread dude, Jackstar was the only one making a rucas :lol :lol I would love to see the quote from the club saying otherwise? Actually from memorie the club was quite posative about the " bonding experience" the boys endured on the trip back ;D
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No one made excuses for that game. It was just JJ bagging the club for taking a bus home.
This........re read the bus thread dude, Jackstar was the only one making a rucas :lol :lol I would love to see the quote from the club saying otherwise? Actually from memorie the club was quite posative about the " bonding experience" the boys endured on the trip back ;D
Some of them did enjoy it but some didnt apparently....
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please please dont make go back and reads Jacks crap all over again...
PLEASE?
back on topic, how 'bout;
"gus didnt go all in"?
Bit hard for Big Papi to go all in when WAT doesn't seem to appreciate his effort. I just hope Papi doesn't read this stuff......:(
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NO EXCUSES FOR NOT MAKING FINALS. NOT ANYMORE. WE'RE SUCH A GREAT SIDE WE SHOULD WIN 17 GAMES EVEN THOUGH I THINK HALF OUR LIST IS poo NO EXCUSES
GRRRRR
Nice summery, you forgot to the part about "OUR COACHES HAVE NO IDEA" ;D
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NO EXCUSES FOR NOT MAKING FINALS. NOT ANYMORE. WE'RE SUCH A GREAT SIDE WE SHOULD WIN 17 GAMES EVEN THOUGH I THINK HALF OUR LIST IS poo NO EXCUSES
GRRRRR
Nice summery, you forgot to the part about "OUR COACHES HAVE NO IDEA" ;D
I never bagged the players or the coaches, gee you three make some poo up.....
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Discuss and debate the topic without the sniping and insults ::) ppl just because you disagree with another poster.
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Some of them did enjoy it but some didnt apparently....
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Clearly showed the following week, can't believe we didn't use it as an excuse ;D ;D
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too many rangas?
nope?
the players refused to get changed because nahas had a woody and they were afraid?
Nope?
umm...
ummm..
...well it seems there are actually no excuses so we are locked and loaded for a top 4 spot.
I wont be going to Melbourne during the season now, I'm gunna wait until september, thanks to your insights WAT.
If we dont make the finals I'll be gunning for you now ....AND...THERE...WILL...BE...NO..EXCUSES
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I can't wait for the "Let's look at the Excuses" thread :lol :lol
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Hey guys I presented a list of excuses used last year that were heard either through the club/players or other avenue's. If you don't like what you heard, fine, up to you, if you want to hear them for the next 10 years up to you....I DON"T.
Development....pffft, for how much longer!!!!!
Gus is part of our development success.....look at him, B&F form last year..... :clapping :clapping
FINALS IN 2012.........without Gus, Browne will take his spot....YAY GO TIGERS IN 2012 TOP 8 !!!!!
NO EXCUSES!!!!!!
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(http://www.disneylies.com/disney_world/photo_tours/ak/tiger.jpg)
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(http://www.disneylies.com/disney_world/photo_tours/ak/tiger.jpg)
Ahhh, Shane Edwards on the MCG.. ;D
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Here's one just for you WAT ;D
(http://i39.tinypic.com/6zm2og.jpg)
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Here's one just for you WAT ;D
(http://i39.tinypic.com/6zm2og.jpg)
I cant see the photo, sometimes we cant see them at work on these computers, the antivirus won't allow it but I can see gerks one.
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If you want to PM me an email address and I can send it to you. I think you will like it! ;D
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tiga: bringing animated gifs to africans in need
you're the new bob geldof
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tiga: bringing animated gifs to africans in need
you're the new bob geldof
:rollin @ Gerks
I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way... ;D
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Haha, great Tiga, thanks for that, love it, should be put in the change rooms before every game..
Gerks, leave the African thing out of it or I will pay for you to come and live it and see if you want to make jest of the situation here then.
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Haha, great Tiga, thanks for that, love it, should be put in the change rooms before every game..
Gerks, leave the African thing out of it or I will pay for you to come and live it and see if you want to make jest of the situation here then.
No probs WAT. :thumbsup I was going to add a Shane Edwards comment in there but that just would have been way over the top. ;D
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Gerks, leave the African thing out of it or I will pay for you to come and live it and see if you want to make jest of the situation here then.
calm down
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Gerks, leave the African thing out of it or I will pay for you to come and live it and see if you want to make jest of the situation here then.
calm down
Yeah leave it at that.
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Haha, great Tiga, thanks for that, love it, should be put in the change rooms before every game..
Gerks, leave the African thing out of it or I will pay for you to come and live it and see if you want to make jest of the situation here then.
No probs WAT. :thumbsup I was going to add a Shane Edwards comment in there but that just would have been way over the top. ;D
No it wouldn't that really would of added to it, but honestly Tiga send it to the club, you may see that sign on the change room wall one day...haha. that would be great.
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I wish I lived in Africa so I could see the magic WAT is weaving. Wonderful man :)
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I wish I lived in Africa so I could see the magic WAT is weaving. Wonderful man :)
Davey, dont be a complete fool mate, call me or bag me all you will just leave out the stuff thats a little closer to home thanks. Not even in jest. Leave it out.
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How dare you call me a wanker. What I say is the complete truth. Like Willy said, you're a hero and I want to see you weave your magic. :) You're changing Africa for the better my friend :)
Oh forgot. THERE'S NO EXCUSES IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED. NO BLOODY EXCUSES. NOT ANYMORE!
I have faith in you WAT
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WA Tiger 03:49:25 PM Reporting a topic to a moderator.
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How dare you call me a wanker. What I say is the complete truth. Like Willy said, you're a hero and I want to see you weave your magic. :) You're changing Africa for the better my friend :)
Oh forgot. THERE'S NO EXCUSES IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED. NO BLOODY EXCUSES. NOT ANYMORE!
I have faith in you WAT
Davey, don't be facetious, way off topic but you don't have a clue what I do here so don't comment on it either way please, lets just stop and stick to the topic.
Looks like the mods are being selective again, you must be one of their fav's Davey!!!!
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WA Tiger 03:49:25 PM Reporting a topic to a moderator.
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very un-Geldof behaviour :'(
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How dare you call me a wanker. What I say is the complete truth. Like Willy said, you're a hero and I want to see you weave your magic. :) You're changing Africa for the better my friend :)
Oh forgot. THERE'S NO EXCUSES IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED. NO BLOODY EXCUSES. NOT ANYMORE!
I have faith in you WAT
the mods are being selective again, you must be one of their fav's Davey!!!!
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WA Tiger 03:49:25 PM Reporting a topic to a moderator.
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very un-Geldof behaviour :'(
:lol
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Like I said, the mods have their fav's and it's becoming pretty clear that you too are both up there with them....
If you want to carry this crap on go to hell, leave this place out of it, you have no idea. You make me sick, you two just pull the pee out of everything.
When you finish in your perfect world get out and have a look around.
Anyway there are still no excuses for us not getting into the 8 next year..none.
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Looks like the mods are being selective again, you must be one of their fav's Davey!!!!
Cheap shot WAT
Suggest you read your PM WAT explains everything
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the mods have their fav's and it's becoming pretty clear that you too are both up there with them
8)
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Looks like the mods are being selective again, you must be one of their fav's Davey!!!!
Cheap shot WAT
Suggest you read your PM WAT explains everything
Not a cheap shot, pretty well on the money actually, your PM's don't ever really explain much WP, I have replied. No wonder so many people leave this forum. No I wont be unless banned, sorry everyone.
You tell me you are getting harder and trying to clean it up, well you did that yesterday when you told me I had so many complaints against me that I would be banned next time.
But you condone baiting and snide remarks from others!!
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WAT, you are incapable of having a debate without insulting others. Just the other day you said "look cocksmoker" to someone who disagreed with you. and "effen braindead effwit"
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WAT, you are incapable of having a debate without insulting others. Just the other day you said "look cocksmoker" to someone who disagreed with you. and "effen braindead effwit"
If you are capable mind your own business, not that I have to explain to you but I will. I was told by WP that one more outburst or language like that and I would be banned for 24 or 48 hours. I sent a PM to the individual and apoligised and did the same to WP.
You on the other hand contiunualy bait people all the time, most of your posts are never even about the thread, its about smart arse comments and baiting....look at the Africa comments, you just couldnt stop, every reply to me was about me saving Africa....not one about the topic...but thats fine is it??? I take offence to that as much as the person did about the "cocksmoker" comment. But because its not swearing its not offensive to you, but it is to me.
So mate, you are not the angel you make yourself out to be either!!! What youu find offensive others don't and vice versa. I asked you to let it go and you didn't!!!
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I find it interesting that the ones who you have a problem with are the ones who haven't been complaining about you. Banned for 24 hours :lol Wow. Have a cry, guy.
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I find it interesting that the ones who you have a problem with are the ones who haven't been complaining about you. Banned for 24 hours :lol Wow. Have a cry, guy.
See I give you what I thought was a logical response and you come back with your usual dig....":lol Wow. Have a cry, guy".
All the time, just no common sense in your posts, you still didn't get what I was saying did you?
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All the time, just no common sense in your posts
:lol
Let's play finals and win 17 games even though I think our players are poo. We have no depth but there are no excuses.
Have a look at your own bag of poo, guy.
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All the time, just no common sense in your posts
:lol
Let's play finals and win 17 games even though I think our players are poo. We have no depth but there are no excuses.
Have a look at your own bag of poo, guy.
Says he who thinks Gus is the future..... :sleep :sleep :help :help
I actually backed our players in to win 17 games, so no idea where I said they were poo..or was that you??
We have no depth in our backline I said...look at last year with the injuries....try to get something I said correct..
You probably have a better chance of looking at your bag of poo, it would be attached to your hip or your chin!!!!!
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Don't bring Beefcake into this. 17 games :lol NFI
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Don't bring Beefcake into this. 17 games :lol NFI
It will be 17 games won WITHOUT that VFL player!!! The only losses will come when he is in the team.
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How dare you. A SANFL ruckman to lead us to the promise land :lol
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How dare you. A SANFL ruckman to lead us to the promise land :lol
Anyone is better than Gus, I would even try to get Justin Charles back with his bung hip, he could still jump higher.
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This is ridiculous.
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Great signature TFT, just goes to show you also think we will be in the top 8 in 2012.....
No excuses!!!!
As for your other comment, you wouldn't have a clue and enough of the false accusations thanks.
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TOTY :cheers
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Not a cheap shot, pretty well on the money actually, your PM's don't ever really explain much WP,
Funny I thought explaining that I was at a family funeral today and because of that the forum wasn't my priority today would have been enough. Sorry that didn't really explain much
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Not a cheap shot, pretty well on the money actually, your PM's don't ever really explain much WP,
Funny I thought explaining that I was at a family funeral today and because of that the forum wasn't my priority today would have been enough. Sorry that didn't really explain much
Funny thought me saying I see that every day here and having the pee pulled out of why I am here didn't explain much either.
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theres some funny poo in here :lol
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This thread is the gift that keeps giving,like a cyber tribute to Smokin Joe
BTW, WP sorry to hear there was a death in the family, condolences mate.
Now back to the thread......
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and a one, and a four, and a ching chong potato!
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Knock knock.....?
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I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down
WAT must have that song going through his head every time he posts.
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BANG......... ;D ;D
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Ok then so I have come up with a list of excuses that have been used in the past and I could not be bothered hering next year heading into the top 8. In particular with the fantastic draw we have.
Look at our team, we have some seriously very good players, with a couple of new faces and improved players we picked up last year.
Excuse wise other than injuries what prevents us from getting into the finals next year then, lets see the answers to the question reversed??
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I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down
WAT must have that song going through his head every time he posts.
Just focus on the stuffing topic will you, I cant believe you just wont let it go.....you and TFT let it go and move on will you both!!!
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Look at our team, we have some seriously very good players, with a couple of new faces and improved players we picked up last year.
Excuse wise other than injuries what prevents us from getting into the finals next year then, lets see the answers to the question reversed??
We are still a very young side with young bodies and young minds, you cant build Maturity and mental strength overnight............But there are No Excuses so hopefully the lads are pumping themselves full of protein powders and brain food as we speak because they will need every ounce of it this season....
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Look at our team, we have some seriously very good players, with a couple of new faces and improved players we picked up last year.
Excuse wise other than injuries what prevents us from getting into the finals next year then, lets see the answers to the question reversed??
We are still a very young side with young bodies and young minds, you cant build Maturity and mental strength overnight............But there are No Excuses so hopefully the lads are pumping themselves full of protein powders and brain food as we speak because they will need every ounce of it this season....
So the way Cotch, Martin, Conco, Grimes, Batch etc.... played last year surely they have matured more, add that to the rest of the group and thats a lot of maturity football mid wise and some if not a lot of our boys have put the weight on.
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Look at our team, we have some seriously very good players, with a couple of new faces and improved players we picked up last year.
Excuse wise other than injuries what prevents us from getting into the finals next year then, lets see the answers to the question reversed??
We are still a very young side with young bodies and young minds, you cant build Maturity and mental strength overnight............But there are No Excuses so hopefully the lads are pumping themselves full of protein powders and brain food as we speak because they will need every ounce of it this season....
So the way Cotch, Martin, Conco, Grimes, Batch etc.... played last year surely they have matured more, add that to the rest of the group and thats a lot of maturity football mid wise and some if not a lot of our boys have put the weight on.
Yes! they all Matured into 20 - 21 year olds :lol :lol
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Look at our team, we have some seriously very good players, with a couple of new faces and improved players we picked up last year.
Excuse wise other than injuries what prevents us from getting into the finals next year then, lets see the answers to the question reversed??
We are still a very young side with young bodies and young minds, you cant build Maturity and mental strength overnight............But there are No Excuses so hopefully the lads are pumping themselves full of protein powders and brain food as we speak because they will need every ounce of it this season....
So the way Cotch, Martin, Conco, Grimes, Batch etc.... played last year surely they have matured more, add that to the rest of the group and thats a lot of maturity football mid wise and some if not a lot of our boys have put the weight on.
Yes! they all Matured into 20 - 21 year olds :lol :lol
So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
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Look at our team, we have some seriously very good players, with a couple of new faces and improved players we picked up last year.
Excuse wise other than injuries what prevents us from getting into the finals next year then, lets see the answers to the question reversed??
We are still a very young side with young bodies and young minds, you cant build Maturity and mental strength overnight............But there are No Excuses so hopefully the lads are pumping themselves full of protein powders and brain food as we speak because they will need every ounce of it this season....
So the way Cotch, Martin, Conco, Grimes, Batch etc.... played last year surely they have matured more, add that to the rest of the group and thats a lot of maturity football mid wise and some if not a lot of our boys have put the weight on.
Yes! they all Matured into 20 - 21 year olds :lol :lol
So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
Where is your proof? Average players "retire" at that age when they're no longer wanted by their club.
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So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
The proof is in the body size and the average age of the last 5 or 6 grand final teams :wallywink
lol....Baby Bombers :lol :lol The baby bombers were a revelation that changed the game of AFL forever. It was a young slight but fast side that ran rings around guys like Mick Martin and other slow and hopeless bookends. It was a masterstroke in game style on that all recruiting in this day and age is based on.....
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Look at our team, we have some seriously very good players, with a couple of new faces and improved players we picked up last year.
Excuse wise other than injuries what prevents us from getting into the finals next year then, lets see the answers to the question reversed??
We are still a very young side with young bodies and young minds, you cant build Maturity and mental strength overnight............But there are No Excuses so hopefully the lads are pumping themselves full of protein powders and brain food as we speak because they will need every ounce of it this season....
So the way Cotch, Martin, Conco, Grimes, Batch etc.... played last year surely they have matured more, add that to the rest of the group and thats a lot of maturity football mid wise and some if not a lot of our boys have put the weight on.
Yes! they all Matured into 20 - 21 year olds :lol :lol
So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
Where is your proof? Average players "retire" at that age when they're no longer wanted by their club.
Really, would have to research, but have a look back recently, as as back as Wowoden (spelling??) Agree a lot are disgarded but a lot retire too.
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Shane got delisted and wanted to play on.
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So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
The proof is in the body size and the average age of the last 5 or 6 grand final teams :wallywink
lol....Baby Bombers :lol :lol The baby bombers were a revelation that changed the game of AFL forever. It was a young slight but fast side that ran rings around guys like Mick Martin and other slow and hopeless bookends. It was a masterstroke in game style on that all recruiting in this day and age is based on.....
You said it yourself, revalation, why cant we do it....differently then..another revalation....
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Shane got delisted and wanted to play on.
Yes I know....but did he...he was not wanted at that age...AFL
Ok. look at the average age of retired and delisted players then??
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You said most players retire at 28-30. If they're not good enough anymore (Ryan Lonie) or no longer wanted (Joel Bowden) then they will. Guys that can still play don't retire until they're ready
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You said most players retire at 28-30. If they're not good enough anymore (Ryan Lonie) or no longer wanted (Joel Bowden) then they will. Guys that can still play don't retire until they're ready
ok either way the best I cand find is that they finish at between 28-32....sorry I was two years out.
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So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
The proof is in the body size and the average age of the last 5 or 6 grand final teams :wallywink
lol....Baby Bombers :lol :lol The baby bombers were a revelation that changed the game of AFL forever. It was a young slight but fast side that ran rings around guys like Mick Martin and other slow and hopeless bookends. It was a masterstroke in game style on that all recruiting in this day and age is based on.....
You said it yourself, revalation, why cant we do it....differently then..another revalation....
Great idea, they should all take knives out on to the field and start stabbing a few opponents, that ought to revolutionise the game ;D ;D
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So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
The proof is in the body size and the average age of the last 5 or 6 grand final teams :wallywink
lol....Baby Bombers :lol :lol The baby bombers were a revelation that changed the game of AFL forever. It was a young slight but fast side that ran rings around guys like Mick Martin and other slow and hopeless bookends. It was a masterstroke in game style on that all recruiting in this day and age is based on.....
You said it yourself, revalation, why cant we do it....differently then..another revalation....
Great idea, they should all take knives out on to the field and start stabbing a few opponents, that ought to revolutionise the game ;D ;D
So ok, so far you have age and body size as your excuses.....same excuses could of been used in a few wars that were won by the very same type of person you describe.
Really is that it.....
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So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
The proof is in the body size and the average age of the last 5 or 6 grand final teams :wallywink
lol....Baby Bombers :lol :lol The baby bombers were a revelation that changed the game of AFL forever. It was a young slight but fast side that ran rings around guys like Mick Martin and other slow and hopeless bookends. It was a masterstroke in game style on that all recruiting in this day and age is based on.....
Young, slight but fast? Hmmm, maybe there is a place in the side for Shane Edwards
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So ok, so far you have age and body size as your excuses.....same excuses could of been used in a few wars that were won by the very same type of person you describe.
Really is that it.....
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What??? Don't get me started on wars :lol which wars do you have in mind? I will happily debat you on those as well ;D
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So why has age got anything to do with it.... look at the size of Martin....Most players are retired at between 28-30......not long left then??
So we cant play finals because of age....mmmmmm....baby Bombers....
The proof is in the body size and the average age of the last 5 or 6 grand final teams :wallywink
lol....Baby Bombers :lol :lol The baby bombers were a revelation that changed the game of AFL forever. It was a young slight but fast side that ran rings around guys like Mick Martin and other slow and hopeless bookends. It was a masterstroke in game style on that all recruiting in this day and age is based on.....
Young, slight but fast? Hmmm, maybe there is a place in the side for Shane Edwards
Yes there might..... but still think we should of traded him...or tried if we didn't...I hope the hell he proves me wrong. I have been saying that for years now. He hasn't!!
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So ok, so far you have age and body size as your excuses.....same excuses could of been used in a few wars that were won by the very same type of person you describe.
Really is that it.....
What??? Don't get me started on wars :lol which wars do you have in mind? I will happily debat you on those as well ;D
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I think you know what I meant..
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No wonder so many people leave this forum. No I wont be unless banned, sorry everyone.
Sigh
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Is this thread still going?
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Is this thread still going?
We can't find an excuse to end it........
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No wonder so many people leave this forum. No I wont be unless banned, sorry everyone.
Sigh
Yep..
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Is this thread still going?
Thought thats what a forum was....
Still not many replys to the question I recently posed. Age and body size...mmmmm
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There are no excuses for Davey's crap posting. He is a megabyte thief.
Gerks is just as bad.
And I may regret this question but what the hell has Africa got to do with anything?
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Still not many replys to the question I recently posed. Age and body size...mmmmm
16 and stacked
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could steady improvement be used as an excuse for making finals?
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There are no excuses for Davey's crap posting. He is a megabyte thief.
Gerks is just as bad.
And I may regret this question but what the hell has Africa got to do with anything?
Agree with yor first two sentences, I work in Africa and they were taking the pee out of me for saving Africa......nothing to do with thread as usual.
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Still not many replys to the question I recently posed. Age and body size...mmmmm
16 and stacked
:lol :lol
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could steady improvement be used as an excuse for making finals?
Yes, if Hardwick and co say at the end of the year when we have made the finals that this year we steadily improved throughout the year resulting in a finals berth then yes.....
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who said the off season was boring, there is some gold in this thread :lol
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Were does he say he is too young and read his last sentence.........
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-dynamo-dustin-martin-keen-and-fighting-fit-for-2012/story-e6frf9jf-1226197194588
Looks like the players are aiming high, but some supoporters... :lol
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Actually after reading some of the articles from the players, seen how the boys have come back from the break and the way Morris and Maric is going about it. Add that to some of the guys we may pick up in the draft and the recycled players, providing we do not get injury ravished....the way Martin, Lids, Cotch, Houli etc....are training......
I am actually getting pretty excited and looking forward to next year, I really think we have what it takes to even get into the top 6-8.
:thumbsup
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If we stay injury free then I agree...No excuses! :cheers
looking forward to next season.
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If we stay injury free then I agree...No excuses! :cheers
looking forward to next season.
:thumbsup
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What's with this love fest? ;D
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What a load of shhhhhit,
The only excusese came from dimmers mouth so wtf?
We wont play finals this year and you'll all be ropable-lmao.
I'm past GAF.
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Expecting a 9-12 finish in 2012.
Still one of the youngest teams going around so we will get the up and down performances you would allow for with young sides.
Thou this season we do pick up on most sides in the experience stakes with many clubs retiring/delisting experienced players.
I think, Adel, Ess, GC, Haw, WC and ourselves are the teams that are neutral in terms of experience loss & gain. The rest I consider to have decreased in regard to experience on their list.
To get into the top 8, the Tigers will need some good early wins to build a confidence base to see them through the season, combined with a relatively injury free run, in terms of players out for stretches and carrying into games niggling injuries.
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What a load of shhhhhit,
The only excusese came from dimmers mouth so wtf?
We wont play finals this year and you'll all be ropable-lmao.
I'm past GAF.
for your overall state of mind, it's better to be that way.
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Now this is what makes the difference between us and them, this is the arrogant attitude we should have. The Pies have the same arrogant attitude so do the Cats.......the winning teams, the finals teams.
Get it into you Tigers and supporters alike, lets get arrogant too, NO EXCUSES, we will win round one and we will make the 8......!! :lol
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/blues-not-ashamed-to-aim-high/story-e6frf9jf-1226223952174
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Bump.... ;D
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You're having the pre-season of your life.
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Tigers getting way ahead of themselves - again!
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You're having the pre-season of your life.
Mate, I don't even believe how I jagged this one, I am getting sick of these players trying to use my motivation for next year..... :rollin
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The "i told you so'er" where I went to school was the unpopular kid suffering from a severe bout of little-man syndrome.
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Uh oh
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The "i told you so'er" where I went to school was the unpopular kid suffering from a severe bout of little-man syndrome.
So please share with us how you got over it or are coping with it these days.....
By the way I am not little...in any area.. :lol
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:lol
I think WAT has earned the right for a bit of "i told ya so" here.
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:lol
I think WAT has earned the right for a bit of "i told ya so" here.
Yeah good on you al.. :lol
Believe it or not, I am not actaually a "told you so" never have been, would never be like that in my real life and never have been.... :)
But for the fun of the forum and what has unfolded since my thread, it's just so funny I have to jump on it....
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By the way I am not little...in any area.. :lol
Do you really work in Africa?
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By the way I am not little...in any area.. :lol
Do you really work in Africa?
Yes......go on then.....
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I hear it rains...
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I hear it rains...
Wet season now...hammers actually!!! ;)
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its wet season here too, we have it in Melbourne and all now, hot steamy tropical rain lol
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its wet season here too, we have it in Melbourne and all now, hot steamy tropical rain lol
;D, Its just a mess here (at work) when it rains. But the counrtyside is amazing.....very green.
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its wet season here too, we have it in Melbourne and all now, hot steamy tropical rain lol
:yep
And that's the forecast for Xmas day here in Melb, hot humid with an evening Thunderstorm ;D
Which probably means we are facing a cold wet winter type day of 15 degrees
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And that's the forecast for Xmas day here in Melb, hot humid with an evening Thunderstorm ;D
Welcome to Al's christmas day, Billy :santa
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Welcome to Al's christmas day, Billy :santa
Thank goodness for air conditioning :thumbsup
Because nothing is going to stop me from enjoying my plum pudding ;D :burgereater
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agree on both fronts :cheers
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Welcome to Al's christmas day, Billy :santa
Thank goodness for air conditioning :thumbsup
Because nothing is going to stop me from enjoying my plum pudding ;D :burgereater
:eyebrow
Well WP, it is the thread so dare I say no excuses not to enjoy your plum pudding? :santa
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Welcome to Al's christmas day, Billy :santa
Thank goodness for air conditioning :thumbsup
Because nothing is going to stop me from enjoying my plum pudding ;D :burgereater
:eyebrow
Well WP, it is the thread so dare I say no excuses not to enjoy your plum pudding? :santa
:lol
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Welcome to Al's christmas day, Billy :santa
Thank goodness for air conditioning :thumbsup
Because nothing is going to stop me from enjoying my plum pudding ;D :burgereater
:eyebrow
Well WP, it is the thread so dare I say no excuses not to enjoy your plum pudding? :santa
:clapping :clapping
Correct - NO EXCUSES ;D
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Other teams will lift more to beat us(the famous Tiger envy) but I reckon we will be up for it.
Time to fight the minions back.
FFS we are Richmond and the others are dag from my arse.
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FFS we are Richmond and the others are dag from my behind.
What he said! :clapping :gotigers
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You'll be glad to know WAT that your slogan "no excuses" got a run at the AGM last night ;).
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You'll be glad to know WAT that your slogan "no excuses" got a run at the AGM last night ;).
Please MT....do tell ....US ALL!!!!! :lol
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You'll be glad to know WAT that your slogan "no excuses" got a run at the AGM last night ;).
Please MT....do tell ....US ALL!!!!! :lol
Can't. All those who attended were sworn to secrecy. :shh
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You'll be glad to know WAT that your slogan "no excuses" got a run at the AGM last night ;).
Please MT....do tell ....US ALL!!!!! :lol
Can't. All those who attended were sworn to secrecy. :shh
:rollin :rollin not this time
When Dimma was speaking he said that the year of transformation is over, over the last 2 years we sacrificed results for getting games into the kids but that is now over. Games wouldn't be given they would no be earnt because now it's about result ...... wait for it..................
NO EXCUSES
****At this point I cracked up ;D
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I like Dimma.
Although
Way too much spin in regards to Francis Jackson performance and players have to earn games
Ivan Maric is playing round 1 unless injured.
Well Dimma
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You'll be glad to know WAT that your slogan "no excuses" got a run at the AGM last night ;).
Please MT....do tell ....US ALL!!!!! :lol
Can't. All those who attended were sworn to secrecy. :shh
:shh
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Way too much spin in regards to Francis Jackson performance and players have to earn games
Ivan Maric is playing round 1 unless injured.
So Ivan Maric doesn't deserve to play in front of Gus, Browne or Derrickx? :whistle You know that comment more than likely relates to the players that got games without deserving them, such as Gus poo Graham. :rollin
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What happens if Derrickx has a blinder pre season. He has promised Ivan a game quote he goes hard at it. What about his ability Dimma.last I seen of Ivan he was ordinary and of equal standard to Gus
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And they were pumping up the rookie from Melbourne..another midget
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Way too much spin in regards to Francis Jackson performance and players have to earn games
Ivan Maric is playing round 1 unless injured.
So Ivan Maric doesn't deserve to play in front of Gus, Browne or Derrickx? :whistle You know that comment more than likely relates to the players that got games without deserving them, such as Gus poo Graham. :rollin
Say what you want about the Bake but she was the best we had for the last few years.
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What was that bit in Dan Jackson's award winning short film Daniel Jackson's Best of Arizona where Derickx talks about having lunch with Beefcake and how it ruined his whole day? That scene should be up for a Logie.
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Did they share a cheese toastie?
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I don't know, the director left that up to the viewer's imagination. I imagined lasagne.
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Too much cheese for the big Pappilion.
Nearly every shot he's been in lately he's munching away on babybell, or a wheel of Gruyere....
Maybe he wasn't breast fed?
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You'll be glad to know WAT that your slogan "no excuses" got a run at the AGM last night ;).
Please MT....do tell ....US ALL!!!!! :lol
Can't. All those who attended were sworn to secrecy. :shh
:rollin :rollin not this time
When Dimma was speaking he said that the year of transformation is over, over the last 2 years we sacrificed results for getting games into the kids but that is now over. Games wouldn't be given they would no be earnt because now it's about result ...... wait for it..................
NO EXCUSES
****At this point I cracked up ;D
I bet you and the rest of the members on this forum that attended thought of me didn't you.... :lol, go on you can say it.
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I bet you and the rest of the members on this forum that attended thought of me didn't you.... :lol, go on you can say it.
Yeah I did ... I thought thank goodness WAT isn't here, his gloating would be unbearable ;D :rollin ;D
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WAT had no excuse NOT to be there and gloat :rollin
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WAT had no excuse NOT to be there and gloat :rollin
Appart from the fact I live and work in Africa......No no excuse whatsoever.... :wallywink
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WAT had no excuse NOT to be there and gloat :rollin
Appart from the fact I live and work in Africa......No no excuse whatsoever.... :wallywink
You should have done a "Gary March" and sent through a video message; a video gloat ;D
Have a good Xmas WAT
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WAT
My PA is from Nambia
She still raves about the place.
Only trouble is she got to the stage where she would get home, lock the kids in the car, take her gun out of her handbag and check the house for intruders.
She still can't believe how well we have it here in Australia.
'65
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WAT had no excuse NOT to be there and gloat :rollin
Appart from the fact I live and work in Africa......No no excuse whatsoever.... :wallywink
C'mon WAT, you can't use that old chestnut!
Don't be a nambia pambia!
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I bet you and the rest of the members on this forum that attended thought of me didn't you.... :lol, go on you can say it.
Yeah I did ... I thought thank goodness WAT isn't here, his gloating would be unbearable ;D :rollin ;D
I can't wait to have a beer with one day WP.......lots of laughs mate... :thumbsup
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WAT
My PA is from Nambia
She still raves about the place.
Only trouble is she got to the stage where she would get home, lock the kids in the car, take her gun out of her handbag and check the house for intruders.
She still can't believe how well we have it here in Australia.
'65
I know mate, very different here....but fantastic as your PA said... Great to see you posting more too...hope all is well.. ;)
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WAT had no excuse NOT to be there and gloat :rollin
Appart from the fact I live and work in Africa......No no excuse whatsoever.... :wallywink
C'mon WAT, you can't use that old chestnut!
Don't be a nambia pambia! ;D
Hahaha.....merry Xmas y&b. ;D
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Luv ya Gerks......
"No reason whatsoever we can't make the 8 next year, it's also not mutually exclusive with rebuilding the list. It is possible to win games and still draft, and trade, well.
There is not usually a lot - if anything - between the sides that finish 7-10, except 2 sides play in September and 2 sides make excuses.
What was our record against those sides this year? You only have to beat those below and around you to make it, you don't have to be knocking off Top 4 sides. That's not overrating the list, that's certainly close to where we should be at next year. We may not win a final but we should aiming to play one, bare minimum. That's not a false expectation either, I'm more than aware of how far back we've had to come from and how much further we have to go.
This whole can't make the finals for 4(+) years while rebuilding is new age rubbish and nothing more than an excuse for mediocrity both on and off-field. 2014 realistic? Setting the bar embarrassingly low there. Should have aspirations to be entrenched in the middle of the 8 by then."
FROM GERKS.....
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(http://www.fabioifc.com/2009_FOLDER/FABIO-1994-calendar/fabio-full-bike-shot-1994-web.jpg)
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Luv ya Gerks......
"No reason whatsoever we can't make the 8 next year, it's also not mutually exclusive with rebuilding the list. It is possible to win games and still draft, and trade, well.
There is not usually a lot - if anything - between the sides that finish 7-10, except 2 sides play in September and 2 sides make excuses.
What was our record against those sides this year? You only have to beat those below and around you to make it, you don't have to be knocking off Top 4 sides. That's not overrating the list, that's certainly close to where we should be at next year. We may not win a final but we should aiming to play one, bare minimum. That's not a false expectation either, I'm more than aware of how far back we've had to come from and how much further we have to go.
This whole can't make the finals for 4(+) years while rebuilding is new age rubbish and nothing more than an excuse for mediocrity both on and off-field. 2014 realistic? Setting the bar embarrassingly low there. Should have aspirations to be entrenched in the middle of the 8 by then."
FROM GERKS.....
So I said in one post what took you 20 pages
No surprises there :lol
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Luv ya Gerks......
"No reason whatsoever we can't make the 8 next year, it's also not mutually exclusive with rebuilding the list. It is possible to win games and still draft, and trade, well.
There is not usually a lot - if anything - between the sides that finish 7-10, except 2 sides play in September and 2 sides make excuses.
What was our record against those sides this year? You only have to beat those below and around you to make it, you don't have to be knocking off Top 4 sides. That's not overrating the list, that's certainly close to where we should be at next year. We may not win a final but we should aiming to play one, bare minimum. That's not a false expectation either, I'm more than aware of how far back we've had to come from and how much further we have to go.
This whole can't make the finals for 4(+) years while rebuilding is new age rubbish and nothing more than an excuse for mediocrity both on and off-field. 2014 realistic? Setting the bar embarrassingly low there. Should have aspirations to be entrenched in the middle of the 8 by then."
FROM GERKS.....
So I said in one post what took you 20 pages
No surprises there :lol
The Gerkster is with me...NO EXCUSES...he just forgot. We Gerkman we have a big yerar ahead buddy, its ok, I will stick with you if we start losing mate.... :thumbsup :lol
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This is great news WAT :clapping
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This is great news WAT :clapping
:lol...I know....I KNOW!!!!!!!
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WAT, Looks like your catchphrase has hit the weight loss world. ;D
http://www.jennynoexcuses.com.au/
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WAT, Looks like your catchphrase has hit the weight loss world. ;D
http://www.jennynoexcuses.com.au/
:lol...Maybe they should be a sponser.....
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WAT, Looks like your catchphrase has hit the weight loss world. ;D
http://www.jennynoexcuses.com.au/
:lol...Maybe they should be a sponser.....
Sadly for you NO they can't because they would conflict with our current Coach's sponsor "Lite & Easy"
Now that's not an excuse, just a fact ;D
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WAT, Looks like your catchphrase has hit the weight loss world. ;D
http://www.jennynoexcuses.com.au/
:lol...Maybe they should be a sponser.....
Sadly for you NO they can't because they would conflict with our current Coach's sponsor "Lite & Easy"
Now that's not an excuse, just a fact ;D
Time for a change then, we have been playing lite & easy for too long..... :lol
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Time for a change then, we have been playing lite & easy for too long..... :lol
:lol
One of your better ones WAT.
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The new Oprah in the USA Trisha Goddard from today's Age, it's catching on.....
"NBC Universal says Goddard will use a "no-excuses mentality" to "teach people how to move forward and push through life’s obstacles".
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My God......what have I created.. ;D
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My God......what have I created.. ;D
And from so far away WAT. Imagine the havoc you could wreak if you were back in Oz! :help
;D
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My God......what have I created.. ;D
And from so far away WAT. Imagine the havoc you could wreak if you were back in Oz! :help
;D
Well as it happens I may be back there soon enough mate... :shh
Tell you what though, gee with the players, the media, Malthouse etc..... commenting on the improvement that must come this year and making the top 8 and the amount of wins we should have....... there is going to be a hell of a lot of pressure on the club and individual players......Like it or not WP, there will be, created by the media...yes, but thats where the pressure will come from.
We will either deliver or.......not I suppose..... :gotigers
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My God......what have I created.. ;D
And from so far away WAT. Imagine the havoc you could wreak if you were back in Oz! :help
;D
Well as it happens I may be back there soon enough mate... :shh
Tell you what though, gee with the players, the media, Malthouse etc..... commenting on the improvement that must come this year and making the top 8 and the amount of wins we should have....... there is going to be a hell of a lot of pressure on the club and individual players......Like it or not WP, there will be, created by the media...yes, but thats where the pressure will come from.
We will either deliver or.......not I suppose..... :gotigers
And just a bit on what you said re: commenting on the improvement that must come. We seem to be making a lot of statement from inside the club (players, coaches and management) of their expectations this year and all of them have declared finals are not beyond our reach and should be our goal. It makes we wonder if the inner sanctum has deliberately pushed this to create a raised level of pressure on the playing group. It would make sense to me that the playing group needs to be exposed to higher levels of personal and team pressure in order to keep developing and that now is the time for that to happen. I could be wrong but it's just a theory I have.
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Its a good theory smoke, one possible reason for sure
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My God......what have I created.. ;D
And from so far away WAT. Imagine the havoc you could wreak if you were back in Oz! :help
;D
Well as it happens I may be back there soon enough mate... :shh
Tell you what though, gee with the players, the media, Malthouse etc..... commenting on the improvement that must come this year and making the top 8 and the amount of wins we should have....... there is going to be a hell of a lot of pressure on the club and individual players......Like it or not WP, there will be, created by the media...yes, but thats where the pressure will come from.
We will either deliver or.......not I suppose..... :gotigers
And just a bit on what you said re: commenting on the improvement that must come. We seem to be making a lot of statement from inside the club (players, coaches and management) of their expectations this year and all of them have declared finals are not beyond our reach and should be our goal. It makes we wonder if the inner sanctum has deliberately pushed this to create a raised level of pressure on the playing group. It would make sense to me that the playing group needs to be exposed to higher levels of personal and team pressure in order to keep developing and that now is the time for that to happen. I could be wrong but it's just a theory I have.
Yep could be on the money mate. :thumbsup
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I hope this works...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyqjpSnRf8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyqjpSnRf8)
Created by me.
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I hope this works...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyqjpSnRf8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyqjpSnRf8)
Created by me.
I like it !!
:gotigers :thumbsup
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That was pretty good Mat!
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Yeah, well done Mat.
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Hang on, does that make WAT.....
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Well done mat
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gold
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I cant view it...at work...
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:clapping matty!
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Love it!
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I hope this works...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyqjpSnRf8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyqjpSnRf8)
Created by me.
Good job mate.. :thumbsup
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I hope this works...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyqjpSnRf8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyqjpSnRf8)
Created by me.
my son's name is oscar :ROTFL
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:lol
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I cant view it...at work...
;D...It's always so much better when you can do it on someone else's time. You're a true Aussie :cheers
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I cant view it...at work...
;D...It's always so much better when you can do it on someone else's time. You're a true Aussie :cheers
WAT is actually African-Australian ;)
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They must look at this stuff down at Punt Road and pee themselves laughing. Nice work indeed. OER once again at the forefront!
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I cant view it...at work...
;D...It's always so much better when you can do it on someone else's time. You're a true Aussie :cheers
WAT is actually African-Australian ;)
Come again?
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I cant view it...at work...
;D...It's always so much better when you can do it on someone else's time. You're a true Aussie :cheers
WAT is actually African-Australian ;)
.......... :thumbsup
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We know he is a fricken Austrayan, he is also a fricken rat bag.
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We know he is a fricken Austrayan, he is also a fricken rat bag.
:rollin
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Mat Loyd was just on the Today show and listed his expected top 7 teams, then a group of 4 fighting out for 8th spot headed by Bombers but no Tigers. The guy has always looked a bit simple to me, something not quite there upstairs! ::)
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Mat Loyd was just on the Today show and listed his expected top 7 teams, then a group of 4 fighting out for 8th spot headed by Bombers but no Tigers. The guy has always looked a bit simple to me, something not quite there upstairs! ::)
Don't expect a "football" person to put the Tigers into a battle for the 8.
Look at our history, no respct
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Ok so in all honesty.....what are they for round one???
1. Ummmmmm
2. Ummmmmmmmmm
3. None
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1. Still not good enough
2. Ruckman too short
3. Usual umpiring crap against the Blues
4. Lack of a tall class defender
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Ok so in all honesty.....what are they for round one???
1. Ummmmmm
2. Ummmmmmmmmm
3. None
no excuses we were pantsed by a better outfit. Not good enough!
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It's always no excuses. Funny how that changes when we lose.
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Carlton have polish.
We don't.
Carlton have skill.
We don't.
Carlton have options.
We don't.
Carlton have a lower tier of players that get involved and do their jobs.
We don't.
Until we address the above we will wallow outside the 8.
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Seriously, WAT. Do you honestly think we are a better outfit than Carlton??
Lets get real here. They are likely top four, we are unlikely top eight.
They have more class and more experience than us and the result reflected this. its as simple as that.
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Seriously, WAT. Do you honestly think we are a better outfit than Carlton??
Lets get real here. They are likely top four, we are unlikely top eight.
They have more class and more experience than us and the result reflected this. its as simple as that.
Seriously, yes I do. We did not play the football we are capable of playing, simple.
We played better in the preseason, when we hammered the Cats, apparently our skills were sublime....where was that against the Blues. Where was Martin, look at Riewoldts body language, where was Nahas, Deledio was average, Jackson OMFG, we turned the ball over, made stupid decisions, mistakes and don't even get me started on Edwards.....
All of the above that I have mentioned is not reflective of that Cats game! Preaseason or not, we clearly did not take that into round one.
Round one.......NO EXCUSES.....
Let's see how we go against the Pies, we go in again full strength.
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:lol
as much as it pains me, the blues are a much better side than us.
You can only play as well as your opposition allow you, which is why we could not consistently reproduce the form we did against an under age side and a under strength half hearted team
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WAT makes a good point about our skills. Obviously the Cats game was only NAB Cup but the skills dropped off massively for the Carlton game
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increased pace of the game and pressure applied would play a part in that
hopefully we can improve on that this week and not get smashed by the scum
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yeah no poo man. there's also the fact we carry blokes Edwards, Jackson etc who couldn't hit the side of a barn
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yet those blokes played in the games when our skills looked good.
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"decreased pace of the game and pressure applied would play a part in that"
you really need to stop swinging from the nuts of duds, old fella. Inb4 Gus
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how many mis kicks did edwards have the other night?
Jackson is just jackson. was serviceable in the first nab game when everyone was still standing around scratching their butts, but the drop off in skills was pretty much across the board
you sound like you're still shirty over the leotard comment.
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how many mis kicks did edwards have the other night?
Jackson is just jackson. was serviceable in the first nab game when everyone was still standing around scratching their butts, but the drop off in skills was pretty much across the board
you sound like you're still shirty over the leotard comment.
Don't know how many he had. Didn't know he was playing :shh reckon he had 3 or 4. but if they went over 40 metres then it goes down as an effective kick.
I have moved on from that comment but I was very sad and depressed over it for a while.
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:lol
:cuddles
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Righto fire away what are the excuses this week....
stuffing none agai!!!!
See what I mean, thats why I started this thread, there are no excuses...
Honestly what is going on....no bad umpiring to blame, no McGuane to blame..
Our skills are poo, our game plan seems to of changed, Martin has lost it, Jack has lost it........
We are poo......I honestly can't see us in a GF in my lifetime!!!
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Edwards?
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Edwards?
Takes over from McGuane.....
Mate honestly he is a game changer......the opposite way.
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so there's your excuse
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so there's your excuse
So there you go, hence the thread, no excuses, it's up to the players as I said and they are letting us down...
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thats just another excuse, WAT
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thats just another excuse, WAT
Al, stop the crap, trying to wind me up, I couldn't be stuffed.
Understand the thread mate, we have no one else other than the players to blame now.
Last year it was MaGuane, the umpires, playing injured players etc.....
This year we have a very good team IMO, apart from one player.......what are your thoughts??
What is your reasoning now, come on mate, don't blame the umps, injuries, road trips, interstate travel......come on Al, your the man....WHAT ARE THE EXCUSES MATE??? NONE!!!!
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is that one player edwards or jackson?
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is that one player edwards or jackson?
Perhaps they are one and the same person...
Has anyone seen them close up together before?
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This year we have a very good team IMO, apart from one player.......what are your thoughts??
But IMHO we don't have a "very good team" we are still a long way off against the top teams in the comp and newsflash, C'wood are a very very good team, even when they are playing crap.
So last night's result was no great surprise, we lost a game in the space of 7 minutes. Only positive is that we didn't drop our heads and get blown away. the other thing last night showed is that we cannot afford to have a good players playing badly agaisnt top opposition - that aint no excuse that is reality
What it showed is what the Tigers need to aspire to be and get too.
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This year we have a very good team IMO, apart from one player.......what are your thoughts??
But IMHO we don't have a "very good team" we are still a long way off against the top teams in the comp and newsflash, C'wood are a very very good team, even when they are playing crap.
So last night's result was no great surprise, we lost a game in the space of 7 minutes. Only positive is that we didn't drop our heads and get blown away. the other thing last night showed is that we cannot afford to have a good players playing badly agaisnt top opposition - that aint no excuse that is reality
What it showed is what the Tigers need to aspire to be and get too.
Well WP, when will we have a very good team mate.....what year....if ever?
And our good players have done nothing so far, that is a problem and has made us look like an average side, which I don't think we are.....IMO.
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Well WP, when will we have a very good team mate.....what year....if ever?
And our good players have done nothing so far, that is a problem and has made us look like an average side, which I don't think we are.....IMO.
WAT - I agree with you about our top players, as I said last night proved we cannot afford for those players to play badly.
When will we have a good side? I would think based on the age and experience of our list I would say 2013-2018 are the years when we should be playing finals. IMV we have the nucleus of a good side but we still have far too many holes that need to filled. Just for starters we have 2 key backs in Rance & Grimes (who hasn't started 2012 well btw). Again IMV we need at least another one possible 2. We covered off on "in & under" mids but need a couple of outside mids who can kick
I know you don't want to hear this but we really don't have great depth because we have a young squad, hence why we still have too many list cloggers like Jackson & Connors.
I've said it before you are expecting kids in their 2nd & 3rd years to carry us to the holy grail. It aint going to happen in 2012 and probably wont happen in 2013. Finals are possible in 2012 but so many things need to go right. Losing players like King & Helbig for extended periods don't help the cause
Reece Conca is going to be a very good player but it is only his 2nd season and simply because it his 2nd season he is going to have good games and he will have shockers, ditto Batchelor. Morris has started really well but it is his first season and he will have shockers; ditto Ellis. Dusty Martin is going to be a gun but what we have learnt 2 games into his 2nd season is he still has a lot to learn especially when it comes to defensive pressure. there's not a doubt in mind that opposition clubs have worked out that they can attack through Martin because the defensive side to his game has glaring holes. But as I said 3rd season in this deficiency isn't a great surprise
Want me to go on? Or are you just going to throw back at me I am making excuses.
I ask you this out of our entire list how many players would get games as "first picked players" at Geelong, Hawthorn or the Pies? Answer that honestly and you may start to acknowledge that we still have a fair way to go
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Well WP, when will we have a very good team mate.....what year....if ever?
And our good players have done nothing so far, that is a problem and has made us look like an average side, which I don't think we are.....IMO.
WAT - I agree with you about our top players, as I said last night proved we cannot afford for those players to play badly.
When will we have a good side? I would think based on the age and experience of our list I would say 2013-2018 are the years when we should be playing finals. IMV we have the nucleus of a good side but we still have far too many holes that need to filled. Just for starters we have 2 key backs in Rance & Grimes (who hasn't started 2012 well btw). Again IMV we need at least another one possible 2. We covered off on "in & under" mids but need a couple of outside mids who can kick
I know you don't want to hear this but we really don't have great depth because we have a young squad, hence why we still have too many list cloggers like Jackson & Connors.
I've said it before you are expecting kids in their 2nd & 3rd years to carry us to the holy grail. It aint going to happen in 2012 and probably wont happen in 2013. Finals are possible in 2012 but so many things need to go right. Losing players like King & Helbig for extended periods don't help the cause
Reece Conca is going to be a very good player but it is only his 2nd season and simply because it his 2nd season he is going to have good games and he will have shockers, ditto Batchelor. Morris has started really well but it is his first season and he will have shockers; ditto Ellis. Dusty Martin is going to be a gun but what we have learnt 2 games into his 2nd season is he still has a lot to learn especially when it comes to defensive pressure. there's not a doubt in mind that opposition clubs have worked out that they can attack through Martin because the defensive side to his game has glaring holes. But as I said 3rd season in this deficiency isn't a great surprise
Want me to go on? Or are you just going to throw back at me I am making excuses.
I ask you this out of our entire list how many players would get games as "first picked players" at Geelong, Hawthorn or the Pies? Answer that honestly and you may start to acknowledge that we still have a fair way to go
Yeah, would have to agree, we just aren't there yet are we, I really thought we had a better team and with the good players we have playing average at best, we are in a world of pain at the moment.
Even if we beat the Dees I won't be taking anything out of it. :-\
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keeping your expectations realistic will reduce your disappointments.
1-4 is not unexpected, but we do need a big win over melbourne to help our %, which will most likely take a pummelling against the hawks
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keeping your expectations realistic will reduce your disappointments.
1-4 is not unexpected, but we do need a big win over melbourne to help our %, which will most likely take a pummelling against the hawks
I reckon Ross Smith will help us be more competitive vs Hawks.
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i hope your right Y&B. I have great trepidation of the that game.
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Fire away.....weather, youth, umpires, Mars circling Venus...
Honestly, we are stuffing weak, mentally, we just don't have it, nothing has improved....
NO EXCUSES, none anymore, accept if you want, I don't.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
stuff I have just about had enough of this club....Really...WTF
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ditto
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i bet my balls we will get pumped next week :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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thanks WAT, i needed a laugh about now
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Agree 100%. Another year down the gurgler. A win today or last week could have changed the culture of the club. Fact is, players like matty white butchered his inside 50 in last minute and missed set shots to our guns yet again failed to get us over the line.
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thanks WAT, i needed a laugh about now
The only laugh you should be having al is at our supposed team, mate if you can't now see it and have excuses perhaps you should play for us.
Really, what a pathetic response, why don't you comment on the pee weak team instead of replying like a fool......
Idiot!!!!! And stuffing insipid team!
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Agreed, White is not up to AFL standard. Nahas is a trier but lacks composure and polish for a small forward. Also, can anyone explain why we weren't allowed to take advantage with a few minutes to go and the ball spilled to Deledio in the centre square???
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and again. :lol
not a lot of point in trying to engage in a sensible conversation as you seem hell bent on looking for someone to take your frustrations out on.
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and again. :lol
not a lot of point in trying to engage in a sensible conversation as you seem hell bent on looking for someone to take your frustrations out on.
Yep........no point mate because I dont want to hear the rubbish anymore!!
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Hey I have a great idea.....let's start thinking of excuses for next year.....we will sure as he'll need them..... :banghead
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
No excuses
Beaten by a better side. Simple.
Need to get better. Simple.
Pretty simple. I'm gutted.
That's footy
Gee we could be top of the ladder if we were Adelaide Tigers or North Richmond
No excuses
Did you even watch the game? :banghead :banghead :banghead
:lol
::)
Eff me I don't need this skat after a loss
Go back to your farm in Africa, Hepburn
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Honourable loss.
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or richmond central??????
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Honourable loss.
:banghead :banghead :banghead
Sick of the club saying it
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So there we o folks, we have the team to make the 8, we have the players to make the 8. We have NO EXCUSES not to make the 8 now.......we can do it, we can do it all night long.... :gotigers
Off with you pessimist's........or fence sitters!
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We're just one injury away from failure.... :lol
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We're just one injury away from failure.... :lol
Actually I thought that when Grimes went down..
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Maybe just maybe we are starting to get the depth we need in terms of our talls.
Griff to stay fit and Astbury to come back soon would be great. :thumbsup
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NONE, after yesterday, NONE. Pathetic, weak, insipid, gutless.....not sure why I put myself through this week in week out....
At least with other teams you know what to expect, you know they go 100%..... Our team....WTF....
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NONE, after yesterday, NONE. Pathetic, week, insipid, gutless.....not sure why I put myself through this weak in weak out....
At least with other teams you know what to expect, you know they go 100%..... Our team....WTF....
You spelt 'week' as weak and weak as 'week'. Come on. No excuses for that poo.
Beat you to it, 65' :lol
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NONE, after yesterday, NONE. Pathetic, week, insipid, gutless.....not sure why I put myself through this weak in weak out....
At least with other teams you know what to expect, you know they go 100%..... Our team....WTF....
You spelt 'week' as weak and weak as 'week'. Come on. No excuses for that poo.
Beat you to it, 65' :lol
;)...... poo I knew I was bloody doing that.....haha
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So there we o folks, we have the team to make the 8, we have the players to make the 8. We have NO EXCUSES not to make the 8 now.......we can do it, we can do it all night long.... :gotigers
Off with you pessimist's........or fence sitters!
this is where people have it wrong. we have never been a monty to make the 8 and wont be again next yr either.
for me the most disappointing thing this yr has been development of players going on hold in a way. this yr was always about development first. winning games second imo.
rome was not built in a day it was always going to take more than 3 drafts to rebuild the list and thats what we have done apart from a handful. and it was always going to take more than 3 yrs to get enough games and experience into so many young players. it was always going to take more than 3 drafts to find enough quality as well. our depth was always going to be a problem you dont build good depth almost from scratch in 3 drafts i suppose its called being realistic.
besides who knows while i dont think it likely finals are still a real possibility this yr because of the draw and the current health of the list.
just my opinion and i think most peoples. this yr we didnt really have to win a lot of games to actually improve. make no mistake we have improved even if we only end up with 10 wins.
while i think finals this yr would be great for our kids and probably more for our supporters, not making them could be a blessing in disguise.
dont make them and the work that needs to be done is emphasised rather than possibly glossed over if we do get there.
lets be realistic even 2013 may not be a finals yr because we have to do the work and get enough games and experience and development into our 22 yo and unders.
we desperately need to build depth i would argue our bottom 6 in the 22 drop away far too much from what is required. yet alone have 6 outside the 22 who can come in and we lose little.
imo we all forget including me that talls are a work in progress and take time. in the scheme of things astbury griffiths elton browne grimes even vickery and post to a lesser degree are still babies.
its an oft said thing, and i know people dont want to hear it but time and patience are our friends today not our enemies. go thru the right processes and we in the main are, in time with a little patience we will get there. it was never likely it would be this yr it will be a real bonus if we do.
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well said claw
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Well maybe we will get there in 2050.... Why not look that ar ahead....when do the excuses stop....no other team or supporters accept it but w do..
I am over it. NO MORE EXCUSES! stuffing stand up Richmond, 30+ point lead.....please....NO EXCUSES!!!!!!
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Well maybe we will get there in 2050.... Why not look that ar ahead....when do the excuses stop....no other team or supporters accept it but w do..
I am over it. NO MORE EXCUSES! stuffing stand up Richmond, 30+ point lead.....please....NO EXCUSES!!!!!!
if you didnt have unrealistic expectations to start with you wouldnt be so disappointed.
if you can see the lack of quality, the lack of depth, the lack of expeience the lack of games played all kpi for finals teams, then you would not be upset.
clearly you cant see these things and thus have unrealistic expectations and get all upset.
the simple truth is until we actually improve these things we will continue to lose just as many as we win if not more. i dont see excuses with a lot of posters but just a bit of realism.
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Well maybe we will get there in 2050.... Why not look that ar ahead....when do the excuses stop....no other team or supporters accept it but w do..
I am over it. NO MORE EXCUSES! stuffing stand up Richmond, 30+ point lead.....please....NO EXCUSES!!!!!!
if you didnt have unrealistic expectations to start with you wouldnt be so disappointed.
if you can see the lack of quality, the lack of depth, the lack of expeience the lack of games played all kpi for finals teams, then you would not be upset.
clearly you cant see these things and thus have unrealistic expectations and get all upset.
the simple truth is until we actually improve these things we will continue to lose just as many as we win if not more. i dont see excuses with a lot of posters but just a bit of realism.
When Claw, when, how much longer?? Other clubs have done it in less time and more than once....30 years....when???
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Well maybe we will get there in 2050.... Why not look that ar ahead....when do the excuses stop....no other team or supporters accept it but w do..
I am over it. NO MORE EXCUSES! stuffing stand up Richmond, 30+ point lead.....please....NO EXCUSES!!!!!!
if you didnt have unrealistic expectations to start with you wouldnt be so disappointed.
if you can see the lack of quality, the lack of depth, the lack of expeience the lack of games played all kpi for finals teams, then you would not be upset.
clearly you cant see these things and thus have unrealistic expectations and get all upset.
the simple truth is until we actually improve these things we will continue to lose just as many as we win if not more. i dont see excuses with a lot of posters but just a bit of realism.
When Claw, when, how much longer?? Other clubs have done it in less time and more than once....30 years....when???
to be honest i cant tell ya. but i can tell ya im pretty sure it wont be until kpis like depth experience quality and games played are met. this yr we dont tick any of those boxes and if finals did happen it would be a bonus. it takes time to get enough players into those categories especially when you come from so far back. the thing is a lot of players in the gun to be cut at seasons end are in those categories.
get 15 players into the 25 plus age bracket. get 12 or so good players into the 100game plus category, get another 10 with more than 50 games find two or three more high quality players and get 6 0r 8 decent players outside your best 22 and your there. we are nowhere near it and it takes time.
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TBH PNQWAT the fact this thread is in its 27th page speaks volumes for where we are at as a supporter base.
No excuses for this dribble but we still participate, go figure :huh
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When Claw, when, how much longer?? Other clubs have done it in less time and more than once....30 years....when???
which club has had to strip everything back bare, in terms of playing list and game plan the way we have and shown more improvement.
Has any club even been as perennially poo as we were, to actually compare improvement from such a low base?
which club has gone from a soulless, directionless, basket case to a genuine contender in 3 years?
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When Claw, when, how much longer?? Other clubs have done it in less time and more than once....30 years....when???
which club has had to strip everything back bare, in terms of playing list and game plan the way we have and shown more improvement.
Has any club even been as perennially poo as we were, to actually compare improvement from such a low base?
which club has gone from a soulless, directionless, basket case to a genuine contender in 3 years?
Hawthorn
you forget how bad they actually were
who said we should be a contender in 3 years?
You are kidding yourself if you think Dimma and the RFC were preparing for finals this year. Damm straight they were
Everyone expects finals this year, even though Dimma doesnt say it. Everyone wants to do it for Newman
Reality is we are not good enough with this list.
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Just watched an interview with Scott Watters, he says that they don't accept excuses when they lose or lose the close games. He also said that the entire group always believe that they can beat anyone in the comp.....
Gee Scott lucky you don't coach our bunch where some supporters and players do accept the excuses!!!
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Let the club with new facilities & with the group of players work hard. If they want it bad enough these players will produce.
A list under Hardwick needs another year.
took along time to build the Realto Tower ;D
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When Claw, when, how much longer?? Other clubs have done it in less time and more than once....30 years....when???
which club has had to strip everything back bare, in terms of playing list and game plan the way we have and shown more improvement.
Has any club even been as perennially poo as we were, to actually compare improvement from such a low base?
which club has gone from a soulless, directionless, basket case to a genuine contender in 3 years?
Hawthorn
you forget how bad they actually were
who said we should be a contender in 3 years?
You are kidding yourself if you think Dimma and the RFC were preparing for finals this year. Damm straight they were
Everyone expects finals this year, even though Dimma doesnt say it. Everyone wants to do it for Newman
Reality is we are not good enough with this list.
perhaps you should actually read the conversation so you understand the context in which comments are made. a bit of thought before posting wouldnt go astray either.
shall we look at the record of hawthorns 5 years before clarksdon took over (15,9,10,6,8, (thats 2 final series in 5 years)) to ours before dimma took over?(15,9,16,9,12, (how many finals in 5 years?))go back 10 years and it gets worse 20? 30?
no comparison. they may have had a couple of poor years, which is part of the cycle, but were nowhere near the perennial basket case we were. no club has been as bad as us for so long in recent times. no club has started their "rebuild" so far behind in terms of personnel and culture.
as for the three years, if you read the conversation or comprehended what was said you would know that WAT was bemoaning that other clubs turn things around quicker than us. well we are into hardwicks third year, so quicker than us means three years or under.
pretty simple really. I'd have thought that even a simple mind would grasp that concept.
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When Claw, when, how much longer?? Other clubs have done it in less time and more than once....30 years....when???
which club has had to strip everything back bare, in terms of playing list and game plan the way we have and shown more improvement.
Has any club even been as perennially poo as we were, to actually compare improvement from such a low base?
which club has gone from a soulless, directionless, basket case to a genuine contender in 3 years?
Hawthorn
you forget how bad they actually were
who said we should be a contender in 3 years?
You are kidding yourself if you think Dimma and the RFC were preparing for finals this year. Damm straight they were
Everyone expects finals this year, even though Dimma doesnt say it. Everyone wants to do it for Newman
Reality is we are not good enough with this list.
perhaps you should actually read the conversation so you understand the context in which comments are made. a bit of thought before posting wouldnt go astray either.
shall we look at the record of hawthorns 5 years before clarksdon took over (15,9,10,6,8, (thats 2 final series in 5 years)) to ours before dimma took over?(15,9,16,9,12, (how many finals in 5 years?))go back 10 years and it gets worse 20? 30?
no comparison. they may have had a couple of poor years, which is part of the cycle, but were nowhere near the perennial basket case we were. no club has been as bad as us for so long in recent times. no club has started their "rebuild" so far behind in terms of personnel and culture.
as for the three years, if you read the conversation or comprehended what was said you would know that WAT was bemoaning that other clubs turn things around quicker than us. well we are into hardwicks third year, so quicker than us means three years or under.
pretty simple really. I'd have thought that even a simple mind would grasp that concept.
actually its very similar, thanks for aiding my argument
lets do go back further then. Hawthorn was a club who was struggling off and on field and was staring down the barrel of a merger what 15 years ago. Yet you think they werent as bad as us in the last 10-15 years
Lets not forget most on here was very supportive of TW in his 3rd and 4th year saying he needs more time, their just kidsbla bla bla
facts are the club wanted and expected finals this year.
FWIW i still believe if the likes of Gypsy's, Fre4o or Stkilda can make the 8 then why the stuff cant we.
How is our cattle any different than them
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have any of "them" turned over the players we have in the last two years?
do any of them still have to turn over another large number of players at least once, maybe twice more?
dont confuse a clubs finacial state with the football side of things. from hawthorns premiership in 1991 to their next in 2008 the most they went without a finals appearance is 6 years. in that time they played finals in 9 years out of 18, but you think they were a basket case like us?
if you think that record is similar to ours, or even playing 2 finals series in 5 years is similar to playing none...well what more can be said?
Think I'll take wp's advice on this one as you obviously dont comprehend just how bad we were when hardwick took over
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have any of "them" turned over the players we have in the last two years?
do any of them still have to turn over another large number of players at least once, maybe twice more?
dont confuse a clubs finacial state with the football side of things. from hawthorns premiership in 1991 to their next in 2008 the most they went without a finals appearance is 6 years. in that time they played finals in 9 years out of 18, but you think they were a basket case like us?
if you think that record is similar to ours, or even playing 2 finals series in 5 years is similar to playing none...well what more can be said?
Think I'll take wp's advice on this one as you obviously dont comprehend just how bad we were when hardwick took over
while we may vigorously disagree on player merit and worth on this we are in total agreeance.
when can we realistically and confidently expect to make finals. i ask it without the b/s and spin a club must put on things to get supporters and members in.
the real question is not when will we make it but do we meet the key criteria that will enable us to make it.
fail to understand what the criteria is and expectations can go thru the roof. fail to achieve the criteria yr after yr and you wont make finals.
to me and ive spoken about this lots of times on all sites the important criteria are.
1/ age groups - can people remember wallace bemoaning not having enough good players in the critical age group well he wasnt just peeing in the wind. what are the critical age groups. 22 thru 24 and 25 thru 28 and onwards.
an example of us lacking in this area is the simple fact that at the start of the season we had just 9 players aged 25 or more. they were maric, moore, king, mcguane, tuck, newman, foley, miller, and jackson. the age problem is then exacerbated by the over all quality of the players in this bracket. 7 of those 9 are likely to be gone within two yrs. so when the next tier like deledio derickx white nahas and graham step into this senior category the numbers wont be alleviated. the simple fact is the next tier to step up are mostly in the gun themselves. we either wait till enough good players develop and fall into this category or we can speed it up a bit by targeting a few mature types the reality is there is no quick solution to this.
2/ games played - which is directly linked to age but is also different. examples of why we dont put em all in one category is. morris and derickx are in critical age brackets but at the same time very inexpeienced when it comes to games played.
at the start of the season we had just 6 100 gamers and again the overall quality has to be called into question ffs miller was one of the 6. to go with this we had just 10 who had managed 50 to 99 games and again the likes of moore white edwards king mcguane and nahas made up the bulk of these numbers where was the quality.
3/ depth - again is loosly linked to the first two but is different depth is about having enough players in all positions to cover for injury and poor form its about having enough proven players who are up to standard.
surely i dont have to go into this the problem is there for all to see in most areas.
4/ quality of players - must have a good spread of high quality players thru the entire squad. and at the other end at least enough players who are up to standard.
simply put we dont have enough top end talent and the simple fact we play each week with a terrible bottom 6 in the 22 says we dont meet either criteria yet. we may have a fair few pieces of this puzzle in our system but that comes back to development time and patience. some things it seems people have run out of.
5/ list structure - is related to depth . must have enough of each type in your system at the needed stages of development that will allow you to cover for injury form and importantly development. player type and things like size height all fall into this category.
imo the list lacks about 4 genuine mids it lacks another competetive ruckman and one of quality in early development. it lacks a genuine big bodied fb and it lacks polished small forwards. mids aside we do have good numbers in most areas but we dont have the required quality or enough developed enough to help out and make a difference this yr.
it been plain all yr that this yr the 22 has needed a ruckman forward. a genuine second kpf, at least 3 genuine mids. a big bodied reliable key defender and goal kicking small/med forwards. again we may or may not have them in our system and we need to develop them.
anyway thats enough dribble the above is a pretty good reason imo why we should not have had expectations on the 8 this yr the above sort of says that the 8 next yr may not be a realistic goal either.
at the end of 2009 i thought we had only 5 or 6 definate long term keepers we now have about 16 with a few younger players who we should be able to add to the list in the future as well. we are getting there but it does take time.
for me the main aim for next yr should be to improve the bottom 6 in the 22 and build some actual depth.
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We will make finals this year.
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We will make finals this year.
We will?
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We will make finals this year.
We will?
without a doubt we are some sort of chance. next yr we may not. thats just a case of where the list is at.
god help us if we scrape in this yr and fail next yr. expectations will be extreme but the kpis say its just as likely we will miss.
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finals 2012 = gonski imho
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Finals will be nice and a reward for the development of the squad, we won't win the flag its hardly the end of the world without finals.
Regardless of where we finish this year the blow torch will be on us to play finals as a pass mark.
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Finals will be nice and a reward for the development of the squad, we won't win the flag its hardly the end of the world without finals.
Regardless of where we finish this year the blow torch will be on us to play finals as a pass mark.
Sorry pope don't agree with that, you rarely just waltz to a premiership, u need to do the hard yards, firstly as a regular finals side, then you learn from those experiences and try and take the next step to serious finals contender. Not to mention how good it would be corporate $$$ wise if we scrape in and play finals as opposed to finishing 9th or 10th
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Rubbish people
Bombers pinched 93 And Hawks2008
You strike when you can
Making the finals for two years doesn't guarantee glory look at🐭enz crappy blues
I'm out of excuses and patience
I want success
Roy From Coburg
RFC
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finals 2012 = gonski imho
Agree, but it was gone before the injuries, still too many free loaders and mentally weak players, the injuries just gave the players the excuse to totally capitulate.....which will start against the Dees.
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finals 2012 = gonski imho
Agree, but it was gone before the injuries, still too many free loaders and mentally weak players, the injuries just gave the players the excuse to totally capitulate.....which will start against the Dees.
Saturday's loss probably confirms this Tony, although given the draw we have the improvement in the type of play we have shown and the pluck the side has shown mathematically we are still in it I guess.
There are definentely a few on the list who should not be there but whilst we know now that another dip into the draft and table may fill a few needs to bolster us next season.
PNGQT, mate I know it's hard given our lack of success, but you just can't attribute this year to the past and equate it to failure given the way we have played and the natural improvement in our list and the astute pick of Morris and the fact that Ellis has been great this year. You yourself have answered our issue yourself by calling some of our players freeloaders who once the needs are filled this draft these freeloaders will be phased out.
We have come from a long long way back. To be where we are right now compared to the end of 2009 only two full seasons ago is remarkable in itself and a credit to the coach and the players.
Yes Saturday's result hurts no question about it but a 19 point loss is better than a 19 goal loss which lamentably have been a regular occurance in the last few years.
Would at least give the team more credit this year than what you are giving them in suggesting they will pack it in now merely because Vickery aint playing for the rest of the year when he has been struggling all year and Grimes who has played one game in the last 6 will miss a few more.
I just find it galling to the boys and baffling. :-\
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finals 2012 = gonski imho
Agree, but it was gone before the injuries, still too many free loaders and mentally weak players, the injuries just gave the players the excuse to totally capitulate.....which will start against the Dees.
Saturday's loss probably confirms this Tony, although given the draw we have the improvement in the type of play we have shown and the pluck the side has shown mathematically we are still in it I guess.
There are definentely a few on the list who should not be there but whilst we know now that another dip into the draft and table may fill a few needs to bolster us next season.
PNGQT, mate I know it's hard given our lack of success, but you just can't attribute this year to the past and equate it to failure given the way we have played and the natural improvement in our list and the astute pick of Morris and the fact that Ellis has been great this year. You yourself have answered our issue yourself by calling some of our players freeloaders who once the needs are filled this draft these freeloaders will be phased out.
We have come from a long long way back. To be where we are right now compared to the end of 2009 only two full seasons ago is remarkable in itself and a credit to the coach and the players.
Yes Saturday's result hurts no question about it but a 19 point loss is better than a 19 goal loss which lamentably have been a regular occurance in the last few years.
Would at least give the team more credit this year than what you are giving them in suggesting they will pack it in now merely because Vickery aint playing for the rest of the year when he has been struggling all year and Grimes who has played one game in the last 6 will miss a few more.
I just find it galling to the boys and baffling. :-\
Tucker, I know what you are saying mate and to some degree I do agree, but.....how long have you and I been on this forum, how many times have we said what you are saying?? How many times are we coming from a long long way back? Do we go as far back as the possum poo that Wallace cleaned out? Do we go as far back as the manure dumped outside the clubhouse? Do we go as far back as Bartlett getting the sack? Do we go as far back as Tony Jewel tearing his hair out at against the Swans (I think)........ How far.
Because that's how long I have been listening to the voice of reason....
This year is no different to 1995...... Or the other years we ended up 9th, the game against the Crows showed us the Richmond of a long long time ago, mentally weak...30+ points up to lose by 19.... That's 50+ point turnaround.......how does that happen and we should be......oh well it was only a 10 goal turn around??
FFS, we had Knights, Campbell, Broderick, Richo, Gayle x 2, and we good good youth coming through.Coghlan.....sound familiar....sounds like now.
Anyway, I will always follow the Tiges but geez I will never understand their lack of mental strength compared to players and cultures from other clubs..
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That's the problem you can't get rid of 30 players in one hit. Players that Wallet left Dimma to deal with. By next year I would assume/hope that the only players left from the Wallace era and for good reason are
1. Newman
2. Deledio
3. Riewoldt
4. Cotchin
5. Edwards
6. Rance
7.Tuck
8. One of Nahas or King probably Nahas
9. Vickery
10. Foley
That's 10 of 42 players. I hope putting it that way puts the magnitude of this rebuild into perspective. At least if we finish 9th this year its a good 9th. A 9th that has us on the way up, not a ninth like 2006, 2008 that just masked the massive cracks in our list. In those years we struggled to beat the top sides and were mauled only to pay out on the lower sides and beat narrowly the sides around us. At least this year we have been brave and beaten genuine finals sides in Hawthorn Sydney teams we have traditionally struggled against.
I've had time to reflect on Saturday's loss and as I have said not happy about it but certainly a loss that whilst pride and honour don't come to mind given we were 33 points up I have come to realise that this list minus a few duds still left in there will take us places in 2013 and beyond and whose to say that finals is not a possibility this year either. Mathematically we could still get there and currently we have a better % to Nought and are one game out.
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That's the problem you can't get rid of 30 players in one hit. Players that Wallet left Dimma to deal with. By next year I would assume/hope that the only players left from the Wallace era and for good reason are
1. Newman
2. Deledio
3. Riewoldt
4. Cotchin
5. Edwards
6. Rance
7.Tuck
8. One of Nahas or King probably Nahas
9. Vickery
10. Foley
That's 10 of 42 players. I hope putting it that way puts the magnitude of this rebuild into perspective. At least if we finish 9th this year its a good 9th. A 9th that has us on the way up, not a ninth like 2006, 2008 that just masked the massive cracks in our list. In those years we struggled to beat the top sides and were mauled only to pay out on the lower sides and beat narrowly the sides around us. At least this year we have been brave and beaten genuine finals sides in Hawthorn Sydney teams we have traditionally struggled against.
I've had time to reflect on Saturday's loss and as I have said not happy about it but certainly a loss that whilst pride and honour don't come to mind given we were 33 points up I have come to realise that this list minus a few duds still left in there will take us places in 2013 and beyond and whose to say that finals is not a possibility this year either. Mathematically we could still get there and currently we have a better % to Nought and are one game out.
I think the problem was ingrained in our paying list and selection of players a long way before Wallace and thats what people keep forgetting..
Also we don't have a chance of beating North, they have sef belief and pay for each other.....we don't!
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finals 2012 = gonski imho
Agree, but it was gone before the injuries, still too many free loaders and mentally weak players, the injuries just gave the players the excuse to totally capitulate.....which will start against the Dees.
Saturday's loss probably confirms this Tony, although given the draw we have the improvement in the type of play we have shown and the pluck the side has shown mathematically we are still in it I guess.
Mathematically you guess Tucker? We beat Melbourne this weekend (16th on the ladder), the 3 teams above us lose to teams above them that they play (8 v 3, 9 v 4, 10 v 1), and we sit in the 8 come Sat night. That is, the 4 favourite teams win these games as expected and we are in the 8 this very round. Then, we have as easy or easier draw than anyone else in the competition to complete the season, so as long as we beat the teams below us it will be nigh impossible for any team under us to kick us back out - in theory they would have to win every game! Being a realist I know that upsets happen and we still really can't be relied on to beat anyone, let alone everyone we play to finish the season out but given we have been one of the most competitive teams in the competition for every single game so far then "mathematically" possible seems the most likely, not the least. It is more mathematically probable that we make it than we miss!
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I think the problem was ingrained in our paying list and selection of players a long way before Wallace and thats what people keep forgetting..
That's true to a point but I reckon for the frist time we have people around the place that genuinely want to change that.
You see a kid like Cotchin (and BTW Cotchin is still a kid) and how much it hurts him to lose, ditto Lids, Martin, Jack and now Morris and I just think that problem has a chance to finally be eradicated.
You go back pre- Wallace or even Frawley I don't think we had enough players who cared or hurt enough.
It is changing but it was never going to happen over 3years no matter how much we want it too
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I think the problem was ingrained in our paying list and selection of players a long way before Wallace and thats what people keep forgetting..
That's true to a point but I reckon for the frist time we have people around the place that genuinely want to change that.
You see a kid like Cotchin (and BTW Cotchin is still a kid) and how much it hurts him to lose, ditto Lids, Martin, Jack and now Morris and I just think that problem has a chance to finally be eradicated.
You go back pre- Wallace or even Frawley I don't think we had enough players who cared or hurt enough.
It is changing but it was never going to happen over 3years no matter how much we want it too
Cotchin isn't a kid. He's young but he's not a kid.
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Also we don't have a chance of beating North, they have sef belief and pay for each other.....we don't!
You're a stuffing clown sometimes
Stomping your feet like a Veruca mate
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I agree with Dr Greg.......WAT, your out of line....pull your head in! ;D
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Also we don't have a chance of beating North, they have sef belief and pay for each other.....we don't!
You're a stuffing
clown sometimes
Stomping your feet like a Veruca mate
Your a stuffing clown most of the time!
We will be lucky to lose to North by under 10 goals!!
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suck it up princess goldfish
3 weeks ago norf were in crisis lmao
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waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa
suck it up princess goldfish
3 weeks ago norf were in crisis lmao
Yeah we are in a great place at the moment....are you out of bed yet???
You are a knob, the club is in a bad way ATM and fools like you continue to wear the rose glasses, but most cross dressers do that so I am told!!
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I think the problem was ingrained in our paying list and selection of players a long way before Wallace and thats what people keep forgetting..
That's true to a point but I reckon for the frist time we have people around the place that genuinely want to change that.
You see a kid like Cotchin (and BTW Cotchin is still a kid) and how much it hurts him to lose, ditto Lids, Martin, Jack and now Morris and I just think that problem has a chance to finally be eradicated.
You go back pre- Wallace or even Frawley I don't think we had enough players who cared or hurt enough.
It is changing but it was never going to happen over 3years no matter how much we want it too
How's the change and right people at the club going with Martin and Connors...
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waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa
suck it up princess goldfish
3 weeks ago norf were in crisis lmao
Yeah we are in a great place at the moment....are you out of bed yet???
You are a knob, the club is in a bad way ATM and fools like you continue to wear the rose glasses, but most cross dressers do that do I am told!!
:lol
stuffing hell man there is just no hope for you, no wonder you dig holes for a living hahahaha
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Can we classify this weeks events as an excuse? :shh
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waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa
suck it up princess goldfish
3 weeks ago norf were in crisis lmao
Yeah we are in a great place at the moment....are you out of bed yet???
You are a knob, the club is in a bad way ATM and fools like you continue to wear the rose glasses, but most cross dressers do that do I am told!!
:lol
stuffing hell man there is just no hope for you, no wonder you dig holes for a living hahahaha
WAT is right about one thing, you are a knob.
:wallywink
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and the crossdressing :-*
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waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa
suck it up princess goldfish
3 weeks ago norf were in crisis lmao
Yeah we are in a great place at the moment....are you out of bed yet???
You are a knob, the club is in a bad way ATM and fools like you continue to wear the rose glasses, but most cross dressers do that do I am told!!
:lol
stuffing hell man there is just no hope for you, no wonder you dig holes for a living hahahaha
I dig holes for a living to bury idiots like you in!!
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waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa
suck it up princess goldfish
3 weeks ago norf were in crisis lmao
Yeah we are in a great place at the moment....are you out of bed yet???
You are a knob, the club is in a bad way ATM and fools like you continue to wear the rose glasses, but most cross dressers do that do I am told!!
:lol
stuffing hell man there is just no hope for you, no wonder you dig holes for a living hahahaha
I dig holes for a living to bury stuffers like you in!!
You work in graveyard?
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waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa
suck it up princess goldfish
3 weeks ago norf were in crisis lmao
Yeah we are in a great place at the moment....are you out of bed yet???
You are a knob, the club is in a bad way ATM and fools like you continue to wear the rose glasses, but most cross dressers do that do I am told!!
:lol
stuffing hell man there is just no hope for you, no wonder you dig holes for a living hahahaha
:rollin
I dig holes for a living to bury stuffers like you in!!
You work in graveyard?
A stuffing big one :thumbsup
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I think the problem was ingrained in our paying list and selection of players a long way before Wallace and thats what people keep forgetting..
That's true to a point but I reckon for the frist time we have people around the place that genuinely want to change that.
You see a kid like Cotchin (and BTW Cotchin is still a kid) and how much it hurts him to lose, ditto Lids, Martin, Jack and now Morris and I just think that problem has a chance to finally be eradicated.
You go back pre- Wallace or even Frawley I don't think we had enough players who cared or hurt enough.
It is changing but it was never going to happen over 3years no matter how much we want it too
How's the change and right people at the club going with Martin and Connors...
Take a depth breath and think about it
Actually think today is a day we can say the club has changed & is changing
Told Connors pre-season he was on his last chance. He stuffed up yet again instead of giving him another chance, they've sacked him.
Seriously that wouldn't have happened in the past
well done RFC :clapping :clapping
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I think the problem was ingrained in our paying list and selection of players a long way before Wallace and thats what people keep forgetting..
That's true to a point but I reckon for the frist time we have people around the place that genuinely want to change that.
You see a kid like Cotchin (and BTW Cotchin is still a kid) and how much it hurts him to lose, ditto Lids, Martin, Jack and now Morris and I just think that problem has a chance to finally be eradicated.
You go back pre- Wallace or even Frawley I don't think we had enough players who cared or hurt enough.
It is changing but it was never going to happen over 3years no matter how much we want it too
How's the change and right people at the club going with Martin and Connors...
Take a depth breath and think about it
Actually think today is a day we can say the club has changed & is changing
Told Connors pre-season he was on his last chance. He stuffed up yet again instead of giving him another chance, they've sacked him.
Seriously that wouldn't have happened in the past
well done RFC :clapping :clapping
Connors gone is the best news out of today. Don't need him around our young emerging stars.
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I think the problem was ingrained in our paying list and selection of players a long way before Wallace and thats what people keep forgetting..
That's true to a point but I reckon for the frist time we have people around the place that genuinely want to change that.
You see a kid like Cotchin (and BTW Cotchin is still a kid) and how much it hurts him to lose, ditto Lids, Martin, Jack and now Morris and I just think that problem has a chance to finally be eradicated.
You go back pre- Wallace or even Frawley I don't think we had enough players who cared or hurt enough.
It is changing but it was never going to happen over 3years no matter how much we want it too
How's the change and right people at the club going with Martin and Connors...
Take a depth breath and think about it
Actually think today is a day we can say the club has changed & is changing
Told Connors pre-season he was on his last chance. He stuffed up yet again instead of giving him another chance, they've sacked him.
Seriously that wouldn't have happened in the past
well done RFC :clapping :clapping
Yep well done RCF for the 30th year in a row.. It's about the only thing we are good at..., :whistle
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Would seem it doesnt matter what they do it isn't good enough for you
Just gotta keep kicking 'em
Right?
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Take your rose coloured glasses off you cross dresser can't you see the state this club is in? 1 game out the 8, players sleeping in, 30 years, no chance against Norf :banghead
Didn't you get the memo WP? ;D Richmond is stuffed
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Didn't you get the memo WP?
No must have missed it.
Had some more important issues to deal with this week Mr Gerkin
I know that's no excuse (no pun intended :)) but thems the break
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/wasteful-richmond-cops-third-dose-of-heartbreak/story-fnelctok-1226438066435
No Excuses... :lol :thumbsup
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Time for the old chestnut again.... ;D
So next year......next year........
What excuses will we except next year.....WP, what will you accept mate, seeing you called next year the year we will make the 8... And we should......MUST!
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There is no excuse next year.
Can this thread die?
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There is no excuse next year.
Can this thread die?
Dead right!
It will die when we get in the 8 and stay there!
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No excuses in 2013. :thumbsup she's going to be a massive build up this pre-season. ;D
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Time for the old chestnut again.... ;D
So next year......next year........
What excuses will we except next year.....WP, what will you except mate, seeing you called next year the year we will make the 8... And we should......MUST!
It's accept is it not?
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Time for the old chestnut again.... ;D
So next year......next year........
What excuses will we except next year.....WP, what will you except mate, seeing you called next year the year we will make the 8... And we should......MUST!
It's accept is it not?
Is PNG, therefore is except.
2013, locked and loaded.
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Time for the old chestnut again.... ;D
So next year......next year........
What excuses will we except next year.....WP, what will you except mate, seeing you called next year the year we will make the 8... And we should......MUST!
It's accept is it not?
Is PNG, therefore is except.
2013, locked and loaded.
Thanks for clearing that up... :bow
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No excuses in 2013. :thumbsup she's going to be a massive build up this pre-season. ;D
:thumbsup
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I'm still trying to work out the ramifications of not havimg a successful season but operating under a no excuses clause.
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I'm still trying to work out the ramifications of not havimg a successful season but operating under a no excuses clause.
You get to butter up in 2013, but next time.....
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I'm still trying to work out the ramifications of not havimg a successful season but operating under a no excuses clause.
You get to butter up in 2013, but next time.....
.....there are no excuses.........again
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Time for the old chestnut again.... ;D
So next year......next year........
What excuses will we except next year.....WP, what will you accept mate, seeing you called next year the year we will make the 8... And we should......MUST!
I really can't answer because I'm a tad emotional at the moment as it appears you seem to value my opinion so much ... WAT
I won't accept anything but finals next year because it is what I am expecting ;D
Ok?
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When are people going to realise that this is the year?? Maybe not a GF but finals is a MUST. No more 2,3,4 years...the time is now. Hardwick is in his 3rd year, I would say his contract could state, finals in 3 years...
GET IT DONE!
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FFS 30 years of nuffers saying 2,3,4 years :banghead
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5 years IMO
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5 years IMO
With a team full of 30 year olds????
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5 years IMO
With a team full of 30 year olds????
That's when we'll peak
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5 years IMO
With a team full of 30 year olds????
That's when we'll peak
Will begin to challenge the 8 anyway :gotigers
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according to Mr Magic over on Big Footy we are 8 ( probably 7 now) years away from challenging for a premiership.
I think his crystal ball said it was 15 years for St Kilda.
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according to Mr Magic over on Big Footy we are 8 ( probably 7 now) years away from challenging for a premiership.
I think his crystal ball said it was 15 years for St Kilda.
Screw that, if that's the case it will be a complete new side.....AGAIN!
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Stop making excuses for why we won't be challenging in 7 years FFS
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according to Mr Magic over on Big Footy we are 8 ( probably 7 now) years away from challenging for a premiership.
I think his crystal ball said it was 15 years for St Kilda.
:lol he is a piece of work that bloke
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World war 2 was fought and won in 6 years and it will take another 7 to build this team for a crack at the top spot?????????
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according to Mr Magic over on Big Footy we are 8 ( probably 7 now) years away from challenging for a premiership.
I think his crystal ball said it was 15 years for St Kilda.
:lol he is a piece of work that bloke
Just to clarify, might be the same nick, but I don't post there. 8)
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according to Mr Magic over on Big Footy we are 8 ( probably 7 now) years away from challenging for a premiership.
I think his crystal ball said it was 15 years for St Kilda.
:lol he is a piece of work that bloke
Just to clarify, might be the same nick, but I don't post there. 8)
:thumbsup all good MM I thought in the beginning you may have been one and the same but as al and yourself pointed out back then, looking at the writing style you can tell its different people (or different personalities :shh)
I still recall him saying we needed to trade Cotchin and deledio a few years back bc he'd be too old by the time we got into our premiership window :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm he was dead serious too. Absolute peanut
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Didn't you say we shouldn't have picked Cotchin, Tony? :shh
;D
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:lol I was worried about his ankles :shh had been told there was a chance he could be a liability long term. Once we had him I was happy and never regretted it. Now don't go bumping no threads gerks ;D
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Didn't you say we shouldn't have picked Cotchin, Tony? :shh
;D
Gerks are you sure you're not a woman or at least half a tranny? You never ever forget when people stuff up. My Wife does it all the bloody time when things go wrong. I forgot the anniversary of the day I proposed to her and she hit me with everything including the day I didn't double bag the milk at the supermarket. ;D
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Half a tranny :lol
I have the worst memory going around, think it was in the bit that got snipped
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far out when i was a kid a tranny was short for a transistor radio..lol
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far out when i was a kid a tranny was short for a transistor radio..lol
Then G make sure you don't go to Oxford St up here and ask for a new tranny as you will end up with a lady boy fresh of a Qantas flight from Bangkok. ;D
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LOL duly noted
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far out when i was a kid a tranny was short for a transistor radio..lol
Or a transmission
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far out when i was a kid a tranny was short for a transistor radio..lol
Yep that's what we called 'em
Still have the first tranny (radio) that my folks gave me for Xmas when I was 6 and yes I can remember which Xmas it was because my Dad was still alive
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Still in working order WP?
Does it have an Fm band?
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Still in working order WP?
Does it have an Fm band?
Yep it still works really well. Battery operated
AM band only
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Still in working order WP?
Does it have an Fm band?
Yep it still works really well. Battery operated
AM band only
Not like the junk on the market today
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far out when i was a kid a tranny was short for a transistor radio..lol
In my line of work if you say 'tranny' you're referring to a transformer. Mates look at me suss if I said I had a tranny to wind during the week.
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Still in working order WP?
Does it have an Fm band?
Yep it still works really well. Battery operated
AM band only
I bet it can still pick up 3XY. ;D
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If you got 3xy these days ,you would think its transmitting from down town Athens Greece
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If you got 3xy these days ,you would think its transmitting from down town Athens Greece
Yeah the good ole days of lying on Brighton beach listening to Aussie Rock n roll , AccaDacca, Gavin wood, Gracie etc... Can anyone else remember any of the old Rock Jocks at 3XY before EON came along? Was Rick Melbourne at XY or DB?
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5UilCh6hTXUXXFpvBZlSgGDN8Pk0dbsOlFTajTux6UR1c4cna-hHpDXGTXw)
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Yeah the good ole days of lying on Brighton beach listening to Aussie Rock n roll , AccaDacca, Gavin wood, Gracie etc... Can anyone else remember any of the old Rock Jocks at 3XY before EON came along? Was Rick Melbourne at XY or DB?
Rick Melbourne was on 3DB (DB Music)
Greg Evans was on 3XY, did the drive shift was the biggest DJ in Melb at the time
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WP i think Lee simons real surname is Simonedes(stand to be corrected)..another of those greeks..lol
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Lee Simons still batting strong 12-1pm Mon-Fri on MMM :cheers
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Dwaino is there any subject you know nothing about?.....your knowledge is quite frightening.
Ok here goes .can you tell me whether UFOs exist?
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yes they do.
there have been plenty of unidentified flying objects sighted.
as to whether they were alien craft, well no one knows, that's why they were unidentified
;D
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Dwaino is there any subject you know nothing about?.....your knowledge is quite frightening.
Ok here goes .can you tell me whether UFOs exist?
UFOs could be anything. Unless you're talking about extra-terrestrials. I believe they could be quite likely. Stars form in nurseries along with other stars. Therefore a star and it's system of satellites would/should roughly consist of a similar composition as its neighbours. Our sun was born in one of these nurseries about 4 and a half billion years ago and many of our closer neighbours were formed from the same materials of our sun. This means that many of the closest solar systems have very similar make ups to our own too. Complex organic proteins and amino acids are in abundance and found everywhere, from moons to comets. What if a neighbour developed intelligent life at the same time dinosaurs dominated ours? Think of our scientific advances of the past 70 years, and imagine if we never had a dark age for nearly a millennia, how far would science be? A civilisation only 1000years ahead or even 65 million years ahead could find their way here. Even if faster than light or 'worm hole' travel were not possible, the likelyhood that they would already be in our neighbourhood is very high. From the time the first extra-solar planet was discovered, more than 2000 more were discovered in the next few years. We are now discovering systems like Gleise 581. Imagine the kinds of systems we would be able to discover in 10, 25... 50 years? Using Gleise 581 system as an example, an intelligent civilisation using the same methods we use would be able to detect activity here and now. We're only 22 light years away. Now imagine things like the Doppler effect and how space-time warps in the presence of gravity. Maybe space-time can be compressed ahead and expanded behind, like how the Doppler effect explains short and long light (and sound) waves. All of the sudden the distance becomes less. We were originally told life is fragile, and biospheres are believed to be uniform in their composition. We have recently discovered arsenic based life forms on Earth, as opposed to our own water based. Some argue now that we are not even related to these weird specifies but are in fact extraterrestrial and arrived here on comets or asteroids.. Like how some believe we arrived here originally (see: panspermia). Either way, it proves life can take on some strange forms and not always as we know it (go look up some extremophies or chemotrophs).
Edit: excuse the formatting. On my phone :banghead
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tl;dr
Greg Evans LMFAO
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tl;dr
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/92709dd33b1b.jpg)
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Stats wise it's more chance aliens exist, than do not.
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So we have now had Hardwick and Grimes and Astbury and a few others coming out saying that youth is no excuse next year and that players will be held accountable for rubbish performances.
Now, did everyone pay attention or have you been paying attention to these statements and others???
No excuses, none, nada, so we should be in the finals next year IMO.
Please everyone the youth, inexperienced, development, growing as a team, need game time, needs game fitness cards have been played.
NO EXCUSES RICHMOND!!!!!! FINALS OR FAILURE!
you actually take on board and believe what they say. please tell me what else can they say.
you dont need to be told anything by the club you just need to use a bit of common sense and logic to work out where we are at in regards those things you mentioned. we arent quite there in any of the categories but we are getting closer. we may even sneak in who knows but my expectations are we are likely to miss out again this yr. those expectations wont change no matter what spiel the club comes out with.
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At the end of the day.
Astbury is still a baby. As is grimes.
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Dwaino is there any subject you know nothing about?.....your knowledge is quite frightening.
Ok here goes .can you tell me whether UFOs exist?
UFOs could be anything. Unless you're talking about extra-terrestrials. I believe they could be quite likely. Stars form in nurseries along with other stars. Therefore a star and it's system of satellites would/should roughly consist of a similar composition as its neighbours. Our sun was born in one of these nurseries about 4 and a half billion years ago and many of our closer neighbours were formed from the same materials of our sun. This means that many of the closest solar systems have very similar make ups to our own too. Complex organic proteins and amino acids are in abundance and found everywhere, from moons to comets. What if a neighbour developed intelligent life at the same time dinosaurs dominated ours? Think of our scientific advances of the past 70 years, and imagine if we never had a dark age for nearly a millennia, how far would science be? A civilisation only 1000years ahead or even 65 million years ahead could find their way here. Even if faster than light or 'worm hole' travel were not possible, the likelyhood that they would already be in our neighbourhood is very high. From the time the first extra-solar planet was discovered, more than 2000 more were discovered in the next few years. We are now discovering systems like Gleise 581. Imagine the kinds of systems we would be able to discover in 10, 25... 50 years? Using Gleise 581 system as an example, an intelligent civilisation using the same methods we use would be able to detect activity here and now. We're only 22 light years away. Now imagine things like the Doppler effect and how space-time warps in the presence of gravity. Maybe space-time can be compressed ahead and expanded behind, like how the Doppler effect explains short and long light (and sound) waves. All of the sudden the distance becomes less. We were originally told life is fragile, and biospheres are believed to be uniform in their composition. We have recently discovered arsenic based life forms on Earth, as opposed to our own water based. Some argue now that we are not even related to these weird specifies but are in fact extraterrestrial and arrived here on comets or asteroids.. Like how some believe we arrived here originally (see: panspermia). Either way, it proves life can take on some strange forms and not always as we know it (go look up some extremophies or chemotrophs).
Edit: excuse the formatting. On my phone :banghead
Interesting hypothesis dwaino. Certainly sounds plausible. I'm hoping we can find superior beings on other planets so we can recruit an 8 foot extraterrestrial rookie with huge hands, a 40 foot leap and can kick a footy accurately over 100m. Would make the kangaroos US experiment look like childs play. ;D
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At the end of the day.
Astbury is still a baby. As is grimes.
Astbury is getting old fast
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21 yoa.
As is Grffs. Not old for kpp
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21 yoa.
As is Grffs. Not old for kpp
yep still very much juniors who have both played just 20 odd games each. throw in the amount of injuries they both have had and id say they have done okay to date.
its the next 3 yrs where they have to improve in most areas and start haveing more and more influence. physically mature and become consistent players.
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Time for the old chestnut again... ;D
Weather, humidity, conditions were all part of the GCS loss.... :lol
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:lol
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If there was no excuses for last week then what happens now?
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Given we made the 8 last year there are no excuses to continue this thread but you know if a goldfish can forget he swims past the same "no fishing" sign every time it does a circuit of his bowl then I'm sure we can forgive WAT for forgetting we made the finals last year
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Given we made the 8 last year there are no excuses to continue this thread but you know if a goldfish can forget he swims past the same "no fishing" sign every time it does a circuit of his bowl then I'm sure we can forgive WAT for forgetting we made the finals last year
WOW, we made the finals LAST YEAR.....great, lets pack up now and ride that little goal out for the next how many years?????
FFS, its staying there that counts mate, not just making it, now go put your head back in the sand for 20 more years. :wallywink
I am getting this thread going again so people like you can come up with more excuses between now and the end of the Carlton game, just in case.. :gotigers
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If there are no excuses for next week against Carlton what happens if we lose?
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If there are no excuses for next week against Carlton what happens if we lose?
Well we are poo..proven!!
You tell me? Weather, global warming, Nth Korea firing missiles, we may go missing like flight MH37...Putin's fault.....it will be something along those lines...IF.
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too many glass half fulls with no quality on the horizon.
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Are there any excuses for the posters on this forum ?
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Given we made the 8 last year there are no excuses to continue this thread but you know if a goldfish can forget he swims past the same "no fishing" sign every time it does a circuit of his bowl then I'm sure we can forgive WAT for forgetting we made the finals last year
WOW, we made the finals LAST YEAR.....great, lets pack up now and ride that little goal out for the next how many years?????
FFS, its staying there that counts mate, not just making it, now go put your head back in the sand for 20 more years. :wallywink
I am getting this thread going again so people like you can come up with more excuses between now and the end of the Carlton game, just in case.. :gotigers
So you don't think weather contributed? God your mood is as up and down as it gets. Can't ride on making finals last year? Well how long can you ride on this thread or one loss for gods sake?
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Given we made the 8 last year there are no excuses to continue this thread but you know if a goldfish can forget he swims past the same "no fishing" sign every time it does a circuit of his bowl then I'm sure we can forgive WAT for forgetting we made the finals last year
WOW, we made the finals LAST YEAR.....great, lets pack up now and ride that little goal out for the next how many years?????
FFS, its staying there that counts mate, not just making it, now go put your head back in the sand for 20 more years. :wallywink
I am getting this thread going again so people like you can come up with more excuses between now and the end of the Carlton game, just in case.. :gotigers
So you don't think weather contributed? God your mood is as up and down as it gets. Can't ride on making finals last year? Well how long can you ride on this thread or one loss for gods sake?
I started the thread based on the excuses of others, read my signature. Bloody hell....THERE ARE NO EXCUSES...well, injuries and that's about it ;D
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Are there any excuses for the posters on this forum ?
Catholicism and it's view on contraception.
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Are there any excuses for the posters on this forum ?
Catholicism and it's view on contraception.
Hmmmm some posters strongly advocate the use of contraception by their nature alone
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Are there any excuses for the posters on this forum ?
Catholicism and it's view on contraception.
Hmmmm some posters strongly advocate the use of contraception by their nature alone
Drummers?
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C'mon chuck.... :whistle