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Richmond likely to offer Damien Hardwick contract extension
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
June 23, 2011 9:07PM
RICHMOND is set to show its faith in coach Damien Hardwick by offering him a contract extension only two seasons into his time at Punt Road.
Richmond president Gary March said yesterday the Tigers board had not yet officially raised Hardwick's contract as an agenda item.
He is likely to be offered a one or two-year extension past his initial three-season deal.
Hardwick will present his half-year report at next month's board meeting, an ideal time to start discussions on that contract.
"We will have a look at it (at) some stage in the second half of the year," said March of the extension.
"We look at it a bit like player contracts - if you feel you have the right person you prefer to lock them away sooner rather than later. It hasn't come on to the agenda yet but I dare say it will.
"We always ask Damien to present at the halfway mark of the year to talk about the KPIs the coaches have set themselves."
The Tigers brains trust is thrilled with the development across the board, although the defence is still considered too porous.
Much of that has come down to the injuries to key backs, with the club's best defender, Kelvin Moore, not playing a single game.
Dylan Grimes also went down with season-ending hamstring surgery, while David Astbury is out with a dislocated kneecap.
Full-back Alex Rance has improved significantly in his absence, with the coaching of former Brisbane Lion Justin Leppitsch seen as integral in his development and body positioning.
The club's clearance and centre-bounce numbers are way down on last year but better use of the ball has Richmond pushing for September.
Richmond will gain a better understanding of where it is at when it takes on another finals aspirant, Melbourne tomorrow.
The Tigers are encouraged by the recent progress of Mitch Morton, who has returned to the club after time away for personal issues.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-likely-to-offer-damien-hardwick-contract-extension/story-e6frf9jf-1226080869387
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Good idea but Make it 1 year Tigers, as good as it looks we've been burnt too many times in the past
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Dimma is the key to the future success of our Mighty Tigers through his knowledge of the game and his coaching methods which have brought our team from the bottom to be on the way to the top while developing player's skills, team ethic and a sound gameplan.
I'd be happy to give him another 3 year contract because it does take a long time to get up the ladder and once there it will be vital to keep consistency in the hierachy to ensure we stay there for as long as we can.
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I am happy with Dimma as coach, think he is doing a great job
But I have to say I not a believer in giving contract extensions to coaches when the existing contract has another 12 months to run anyway.
Dimma isn't going anywhere so why the rush?
Let's just concentrate on getting through this season and then look at this in 2012
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I am happy with Dimma as coach, think he is doing a great job
But I have to say I not a believer in giving contract extensions to coaches when the existing contract has another 12 months to run anyway.
Dimma isn't going anywhere so why the rush?
Let's just concentrate on getting through this season and then look at this in 2012
True! Let us not forget the mistakes Essendon made with extending Knight's contract early! Having said that though, i think Dimma is a much better coach than Knighta!
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I am happy with Dimma as coach, think he is doing a great job
But I have to say I not a believer in giving contract extensions to coaches when the existing contract has another 12 months to run anyway.
Dimma isn't going anywhere so why the rush?
Let's just concentrate on getting through this season and then look at this in 2012
Totally correct, I absolutely hate it when March talks to the media, has no idea.
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On another point in the article: Since when is Kelvin Moore our best defender? There was evidence that Dylan Grimes had already surpassed him in that third tall role. I reckon we're missing Grimes' input much more.
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I am happy with Dimma as coach, think he is doing a great job
But I have to say I not a believer in giving contract extensions to coaches when the existing contract has another 12 months to run anyway.
Dimma isn't going anywhere so why the rush?
Let's just concentrate on getting through this season and then look at this in 2012
Agree with this 100%.
Why wouldn't you just renew a contract when the previous one is close to expiry? How many coaches have been 'poached' in the history of the AFL? Bugger all and none in recent years.
Imagine if he got a an extension and then the arse fell out of the side next year and finished bottom 4, while Mick Malthouse splits from Collingwood and is without a job.
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Sounds like the media asked March the question to get a story. I dont think he just started talking about Hardwick's contract. Nothing will come of this until next year.
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On another point in the article: Since when is Kelvin Moore our best defender? There was evidence that Dylan Grimes had already surpassed him in that third tall role. I reckon we're missing Grimes' input much more.
What? Since when was Grimes playing third tall? He was full back when he played this year. Moore is definitely one of our best defenders
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Totally correct, I absolutely hate it when March talks to the media, has no idea.
Well said, March and Craig Cameron should never be allowed near a microphone. It is always cringe-worthy.
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why is anyone surprised. Nothing new to me when March/Cameron leak information out to the public.
Absolutely against this, no matter how much i like Dimma.
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Exactly gag March and Cameron for good.
No need to offer a contract extension until this time next year even though I feel as most do that Dimma has done a splendid job thus far with our list and our playing style as well as the morale of the players. :thumbsup
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There's only four reasons I can think of as to why you would extend someone's contract this far out from the end of the current one ..
(a) He'll either walk or be poached to a better offer near the end of the current deal (That's not Dimma's style)
(b) You're 100% convinced he's the right and best man for the job.
(c) You can sign him up now to a cheaper salary than if you wait until next yeat and we end up well exceeding our expectations (ie. playing finals in 2011 & well on our way to playing finals again in 2012).
(d) It'll take pressure off the club next year when Dimma is in his final year of his contract and the media will jump on every loss equating it to whether Dimma survives or not.
IMO we should wait until the beginning of next year at the earliest. While things are looking up and improving on-field from where we were we are still daylight away from being a genuine top side. Way too early to judge yet. I wish too March and the Club would shut their traps when it comes to things like this.
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On another point in the article: Since when is Kelvin Moore our best defender? There was evidence that Dylan Grimes had already surpassed him in that third tall role. I reckon we're missing Grimes' input much more.
What? Since when was Grimes playing third tall? He was full back when he played this year. Moore is definitely one of our best defenders
The claim in the article was that Moore is our BEST defender, which I just find ludicrous. Grimes may have started at full back, but was initially monstered by players like Franklin and Cloke. It was only when he was given the job of third up tall, which he's more suited to at the minute while he's still developing, that he started to shine.
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On another point in the article: Since when is Kelvin Moore our best defender? There was evidence that Dylan Grimes had already surpassed him in that third tall role. I reckon we're missing Grimes' input much more.
What? Since when was Grimes playing third tall? He was full back when he played this year. Moore is definitely one of our best defenders
The claim in the article was that Moore is our BEST defender, which I just find ludicrous. Grimes may have started at full back, but was initially monstered by players like Franklin and Cloke. It was only when he was given the job of third up tall, which he's more suited to at the minute while he's still developing, that he started to shine.
Seems to have that Fletcher-like capability of coming from nowhere to stretch out his go-go-gadget arm and make the spoil. He is no FB at the moment. Doesn't have anywhere near the size unlike Rance who, with some excellent tutorage from Leppa, seems to have found his place there. I can imagine that in the future Rance will become our FB, Grimes our CHB/2nd spoiler with Astbury our third tall rebounding defender. Astbury has better poise and footskills than either of the other two currently but not the defensive mindset or understanding.
McGuane may be pushed out and Moore, Thursfield and Gourdis will be fighting for a place and may never get there. I'm looking forward to see how the Goo plays today.
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I still think he is batting at less than 50% in terms of games I would give him the tick for the coaches box battle.
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This story seems to have died a quick death. Anyone hear anything of late.
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Malthouse's availability in 2013 would have to make one year extensions for Lyons and Rattan a possibility.
And there is no need for Richmond to hurry an extension either.
:thumbsup
edited to fix spelling (some habits die hard :lol )
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If he wants to be a prick like Northey and leave because he cant get an extension on his record,lol.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :banghead
WAIT UNTIL THE END OF 2012!!!
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Agree. Wait and see..
If things don't work out Micky M will be chomping at the bit to coach his old side.
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There will be pressure on Dimma next year given the Club believes the transition period for our list has now finished and has planned for finals starting in 2012. Wishful thinking if you ask me and unfair expectations on Dimma. We don't have a finals-bound list yet. 2013 at the earliest if not 2014 is a more realistic target.
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There will be pressure on Dimma next year given the Club believes the transition period for our list has now finished and has planned for finals starting in 2012. Wishful thinking if you ask me and unfair expectations on Dimma. We don't have a finals-bound list yet. 2013 at the earliest if not 2014 is a more realistic target.
Problem is also that the rebuild hasnt been completed yet - at least properly. The club needed to draft or trade into at least 3 more A grade players in the next two years but that is now looking very unlikely. Instead they are looking for props and bandaid solutions so they can make the bottom reaches of the eight.
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There will be pressure on Dimma next year given the Club believes the transition period for our list has now finished and has planned for finals starting in 2012. Wishful thinking if you ask me and unfair expectations on Dimma. We don't have a finals-bound list yet. 2013 at the earliest if not 2014 is a more realistic target.
Problem is also that the rebuild hasnt been completed yet - at least properly. The club needed to draft or trade into at least 3 more A grade players in the next two years but that is now looking very unlikely. Instead they are looking for props and bandaid solutions so they can make the bottom reaches of the eight.
Really, Have I missed something here?
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There will be pressure on Dimma next year given the Club believes the transition period for our list has now finished and has planned for finals starting in 2012. Wishful thinking if you ask me and unfair expectations on Dimma. We don't have a finals-bound list yet. 2013 at the earliest if not 2014 is a more realistic target.
Craig Cameron and the Club will push that to amke Benny's 3-0-75 statement realistic.
I agree 2013 at the earliest and that is if everything goes right.
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There will be pressure on Dimma next year given the Club believes the transition period for our list has now finished and has planned for finals starting in 2012. Wishful thinking if you ask me and unfair expectations on Dimma. We don't have a finals-bound list yet. 2013 at the earliest if not 2014 is a more realistic target.
Problem is also that the rebuild hasnt been completed yet - at least properly. The club needed to draft or trade into at least 3 more A grade players in the next two years but that is now looking very unlikely. Instead they are looking for props and bandaid solutions so they can make the bottom reaches of the eight.
I agree Ramps but what can you do when you ask the Club what are our expectations for next year given our list is still very young and inexperienced and needs further development and the reply is we need to start winning and we're still aiming to play finals in 2012-14 as planned. It seems the Club needs round 1 against Carlton each year to get a reality check :-\.
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There seems to be a level of short sightedness at the moment that is worrying IMHO. The focus seems to have changed from drafting kids to trading in to fill holes and get depth. IMHO you can get all the depth you want but if you havent got enough A graders you cant win a flag.
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There seems to be a level of short sightedness at the moment that is worrying IMHO. The focus seems to have changed from drafting kids to trading in to fill holes and get depth. IMHO you can get all the depth you want but if you havent got enough A graders you cant win a flag.
Hmmm. Just thinking about this for perhaps 30 nanoseconds, maybe this has something to do with the compromised draft and supposedly weak talent pool. Of course nothing has actually happened yet but your right, that shouldn't stop people jumping to conclusions and treating the worst case scenario fictional stories as absolute fact. Much more fun.
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theres no point trading for average footballers when you can get cheaper average ones from the national draft anyways.
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Imagine . . .
Damien Hardwick - Head Coach
Neil Craig - High Performance Manager
Mick Malthouse - Director of Coaching
:whistle
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There seems to be a level of short sightedness at the moment that is worrying IMHO. The focus seems to have changed from drafting kids to trading in to fill holes and get depth. IMHO you can get all the depth you want but if you havent got enough A graders you cant win a flag.
And you can't get enough A graders if they simply aren't available to Draft :whistle
Since Dimma took over we have hardly put a foot wrong with both our Trading and Drafting. In a year of such a crap draft it looks as though we are exploring options outside the draft because of it's lack of depth. I don't see the issue with this at all, I very much doubt we will get rid of our first pick and by the looks of it that is the only pick worth using this season.
The club has made it well known that it is organising itself to have a good crack at bot Free agency and next seasons so called Mega Draft and I can't see where we have swerved off this path at all??
At the end of the day if we end up with a decent player with pick 14 and trade for couple of upgrades as we did last year then we are doing o.k.
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In fairness to Ramps he's not talking about fixing all our list deficiencies in this upcoming draft/trade period. We do need to have another big dip into next year's uncompromised draft and probably the one after that to gain these extra A-graders we need. Missing out on the finals next year, because we aren't good enough no matter what those inside the Club wishfully believe, wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing in the long run.
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There will be pressure on Dimma next year given the Club believes the transition period for our list has now finished and has planned for finals starting in 2012. Wishful thinking if you ask me and unfair expectations on Dimma. We don't have a finals-bound list yet. 2013 at the earliest if not 2014 is a more realistic target.
Craig Cameron and the Club will push that to amke Benny's 3-0-75 statement realistic.
I agree 2013 at the earliest and that is if everything goes right.
True Tucky but that's why the Club shouldn't make such statements as 3 finals by 2014. Hopefully it doesn't gives false expectations to fickle fans and especially the media to jump on the Club or Dimma in the final year of his contract.
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No reason whatsoever we can't make the 8 next year, it's also not mutually exclusive with rebuilding the list. It is possible to win games and still draft, and trade, well.
There is not usually a lot - if anything - between the sides that finish 7-10, except 2 sides play in September and 2 sides make excuses.
What was our record against those sides this year? You only have to beat those below and around you to make it, you don't have to be knocking off Top 4 sides. That's not overrating the list, that's certainly close to where we should be at next year. We may not win a final but we should aiming to play one, bare minimum. That's not a false expectation either, I'm more than aware of how far back we've had to come from and how much further we have to go.
This whole can't make the finals for 4(+) years while rebuilding is new age rubbish and nothing more than an excuse for mediocrity both on and off-field. 2014 realistic? Setting the bar embarrassingly low there. Should have aspirations to be entrenched in the middle of the 8 by then.
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Go the Gerks! ;D
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Look at him goooooooooooooo :bow :bow
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would have to agree with Gerks 100% on this one.
I look at sides like Nought, Bummers, Buldogs now we just need to believe we can beat these sides regulaty and we will.
Lets be serious how can we not be expected to beat sides like Buldogs and Nought. Its all in our head and we just need to come to play not like those sides seem to do when they know its us they are playing. I still cant believe we lost to Buldogs and Melbourne this year.
I would say we can beat any club from 6th spot down except Freo over there with a full list and maybe Swans at the SCG.
The bar has been raised and we need to finish in the 8 or we will have failed.
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No reason whatsoever we can't make the 8 next year, it's also not mutually exclusive with rebuilding the list. It is possible to win games and still draft, and trade, well.
There is not usually a lot - if anything - between the sides that finish 7-10, except 2 sides play in September and 2 sides make excuses.
What was our record against those sides this year? You only have to beat those below and around you to make it, you don't have to be knocking off Top 4 sides. That's not overrating the list, that's certainly close to where we should be at next year. We may not win a final but we should aiming to play one, bare minimum. That's not a false expectation either, I'm more than aware of how far back we've had to come from and how much further we have to go.
This whole can't make the finals for 4(+) years while rebuilding is new age rubbish and nothing more than an excuse for mediocrity both on and off-field. 2014 realistic? Setting the bar embarrassingly low there. Should have aspirations to be entrenched in the middle of the 8 by then.
Spot on Gerks, good post. :thumbsup
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No news here? Anyone, anyone Bueller?
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No reason whatsoever we can't make the 8 next year, it's also not mutually exclusive with rebuilding the list. It is possible to win games and still draft, and trade, well.
There is not usually a lot - if anything - between the sides that finish 7-10, except 2 sides play in September and 2 sides make excuses.
What was our record against those sides this year? You only have to beat those below and around you to make it, you don't have to be knocking off Top 4 sides. That's not overrating the list, that's certainly close to where we should be at next year. We may not win a final but we should aiming to play one, bare minimum. That's not a false expectation either, I'm more than aware of how far back we've had to come from and how much further we have to go.
This whole can't make the finals for 4(+) years while rebuilding is new age rubbish and nothing more than an excuse for mediocrity both on and off-field. 2014 realistic? Setting the bar embarrassingly low there. Should have aspirations to be entrenched in the middle of the 8 by then.
My God...you hypercritical........You upped me for the rent about NO EXCUSES and read your post here Gerks.....
I don't believe it......... :help :gobdrop :o :o :gobdrop
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I really must l m f a o.
If ANYBODY within the club had ANY idea,Hardwits contract would not be renewed until round 20 of the 2012 season.
Not bloody now.
He needs to perform,FFS!
Gone are the early career excuses he was able to hide behind until now.
He has a team of "Damiens Darlings" -players he has worked alongside and recruited.
IMO He needs to show he can perform accordingly BEFORE we give him a renewal,otherwise the mediocrity will be allowed to thrive.
Make the sob work his ars off for it.
PROVE TO THE CLUB,PLAYERS AND US,that he is capable of delivering as a coach what he has sold to us for the lst 2 years.
otherwise
ƒuck off.
It's not that hard for people to see this...IS IT?
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100% Agree with Brackets :thumbsup
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Im not sure what is happening which is why i bumped the thread. Its gone awfully quiet in the papers since last year
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I am a Hardwick fan but I too see it pointless to rush any decision. I'd even wait until year's end.
If he continues to do well his next contract will take care of itself.
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I don't expect the RFC to do anything on this until towards the end of the season. It's all just piddle from the papers, no use getting worked up about it unless it happens :cheers
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My God...you hypercritical........You upped me for the rent about NO EXCUSES and read your post here Gerks.....
I don't believe it......... :help :gobdrop :o :o :gobdrop
If you'd read the post earlier you would have known I was poo stirring you
Get with the program big fella
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My God...you hypercritical........You upped me for the rent about NO EXCUSES and read your post here Gerks.....
I don't believe it......... :help :gobdrop :o :o :gobdrop
If you'd read the post earlier you would have known I was poo stirring you
Get with the program big fella
rubbish gerks, you posted that in September, you stuffed up.......hypercritical mate.... :whistle
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You donut :lol
Not my fault your chain is so easy to yank.
And where did I actually disagree with you in the No Excuses thread?
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That's right, I didn't
I even pm'd you at the time and said I agreed with you and was winding you up
Thanks for playing though
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Ahhhhh, Gerks me old clobber......you are supposed to pedal a bike forward......not backwards....you got caught out, pal. Stand up and admit it!!!!!! :lol :rollin :thumbsup
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Care to quote me?
Should be plenty to choose from.
C'mon mate don't be a stick.
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Care to quote me?
Should be plenty to choose from.
C'mon mate don't be a stick.
:lol :rollin
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Care to quote me?
Should be plenty to choose from.
C'mon mate don't be a stick.
Mate, it's all in your post...NO EXCUSES!!! Not getting wound up are you Gerks...... :wallywink
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Care to quote me?
Should be plenty to choose from.
C'mon mate don't be a stick.
:lol :rollin
Fantastic post JVT..minding your own business again I see........good to see you haven't changed....go back to your cave..... :rollin :lol
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Care to quote me?
Should be plenty to choose from.
C'mon mate don't be a stick.
:lol :rollin
Fantastic post JVT..minding your own business again I see........good to see you haven't changed....go back to your cave..... :rollin :lol
Get back on topic mate, no excuses :thumbsup
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I like JVT. seems like a top lad.
Coach likes it.
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No I don't like this
I don't like this at all
Going tO speak to some people at the club about this >:(