One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: wayne on December 07, 2010, 11:29:36 AM
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All over
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Outside houli we only pick one kid and hislop/miller...
That's a bit poo
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Poor form Richmond
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Outside houli we only pick one kid and hislop/miller...
That's a bit poo
The fact that GWS passed with picks 7 & 8 is a pretty good suggestion at how the talent left over was rated
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stuff me.
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Outside houli we only pick one kid and hislop/miller...
That's a bit poo
The fact that GWS passed with picks 7 & 8 is a pretty good suggestion at how the talent left over was rated
Yeah, I think you're right, have a look at what other sides have done, Eddy, Neagle, Hahn... a lot of recycled players.
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Isn't there a new rule this year where you can continue to have players train with you and you can add another player to the rookie list closer to round 1?
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Not good, why wouldnt we fill the spot with a project player.
I would be interested to see what the club has to say
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Outside houli we only pick one kid and hislop/miller...
That's a bit poo
The fact that GWS passed with picks 7 & 8 is a pretty good suggestion at how the talent left over was rated
Yeah, I think you're right, have a look at what other sides have done, Eddy, Neagle, Hahn... a lot of recycled players.
Not to mention that GWS has passed with every pick except their first (and last, must be a regional selection) so they are 4 players short
Sydney started passing in the 3rd round so they are also 4 players short of what they can have
Hawthorn passed on Rounds 4 & 5 so are two players short, they two players they took in the last 2 rounds are their NSW scholarship players
We aren't the only ones to not rate what was left
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Isn't there a new rule this year where you can continue to have players train with you and you can add another player to the rookie list closer to round 1?
Good pick up, I forgot about that
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why waste money on absolute no chance roughies - 17 previously listed blokes got re-drafted because the talent just isn't there
rather a new rowing machine and a few cartons for the ice bath
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why waste money on absolute no chance roughies - 17 previously listed blokes got re-drafted because the talent just isn't there
rather a new rowing machine and a few cartons for the ice bath
Agree.
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Actually on recount 22 blokes previously on AFL lists, 26 if you count the PSD picks
but yeah, eff me Richmond WTF poor form blah blah effing whinge :whistle
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but yeah, eff me Richmond WTF poor form blah blah effing whinge :whistle
Nice work Gerk, some one had to say it :clapping I bet to it would be the same whinging pissin moaners that bag the crap out of Rookie pick 60 when he dosen't come on, or carry on about a wasted pick when he is delisted next season.
I am confident Richmond no what there doing, how bout we let them do there job and get over it.........
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Actually on recount 22 blokes previously on AFL lists, 26 if you count the PSD picks
but yeah, eff me Richmond WTF poor form blah blah effing whinge :whistle
Extremely poor form, we haven't learnt a thing!!
Last year we took Polak at RD #62, when we could have had a star like John Williams, Joshua Donaldson or Patrick Rose!!!
:rollin
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Pathetic! :banghead
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Pathetic! :banghead
MT, who would have you taken with pick 60?
Put it out there and lets return in 12 months time as see how pathetic we have been??
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MT, who would have you taken with pick 60?
Put it out there and lets return in 12 months time as see how pathetic we have been??
Why just pick 60 TFT? We used picks 28 and 45 on a retreads who will not be part of our future. Just one pick today on a newbie and even then it was Coburg ressies player from a Coburg list that is poor.
I'm curious how Ben Haren (went to the Swans) goes but that's not why I'm saying our effort was pathetic. In the end the rookie list is for the development of project players (ie. late developers). So you're telling me there was no one running around in the VFL, SANFL or WAFL who doesn't deserve a chance ahead of a Hislop? Every year there are rookie success stories that come out of nowhere. Every year there are kids who are overlooked only to be picked up a year or two later and who then go on and make it. We give ourselves no chance of finding these players rookieing recycled duds. This insurance argument is a load of crap! I've got a return question for those who support this type of recruiting - who out of Miller and Hislop will still be at Tigerland in 2013? If your answer is both will be delisted by then then that says it all.
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I would have taken Barden
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2nd best pick out of the lot we picked today. :banghead
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Pathetic! :banghead
MT, who would have you taken with pick 60?
Put it out there and lets return in 12 months time as see how pathetic we have been??
could have taken a kid from africa or Ireland
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MT, who would have you taken with pick 60?
Put it out there and lets return in 12 months time as see how pathetic we have been??
Why just pick 60 TFT? We used picks 28 and 45 on a retreads who will not be part of our future. Just one pick today on a newbie and even then it was Coburg ressies player from a Coburg list that is poor.
I'm curious how Ben Haren (went to the Swans) goes but that's not why I'm saying our effort was pathetic. In the end the rookie list is for the development of project players (ie. late developers). So you're telling me there was no one running around in the VFL, SANFL or WAFL who doesn't deserve a chance ahead of a Hislop? Every year there are rookie success stories that come out of nowhere. Every year there are kids who are overlooked only to be picked up a year or two later and who then go on and make it. We give ourselves no chance of finding these players rookieing recycled duds. This insurance argument is a load of crap! I've got a return question for those who support this type of recruiting - who out of Miller and Hislop will still be at Tigerland in 2013? If your answer is both will be delisted by then then that says it all.
We have one of the youngest lists in AFL history. A little bit of experience is what we needed and it's what we got.
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MT, who would have you taken with pick 60?
Put it out there and lets return in 12 months time as see how pathetic we have been??
This insurance argument is a load of crap! I've got a return question for those who support this type of recruiting - who out of Miller and Hislop will still be at Tigerland in 2013? If your answer is both will be delisted by then then that says it all.
They have just as much chance of being there as Jakobi, Hicks, Contin, O'Reilly, and Westhoff. How many of those guy's do you see still on our list in 2013?? It is a double ended argument. I think we have the mix right, in a draft that has been Raped by 2 new teams we have given ourselves a mix of youth and experience and haven't bothered using our last pick just for the sake of it. As I said, lets gather back here in12 months time and have a real Pal Wal about it when everyone has a season under there belt.
And as far as insurance goes, Miller can be more than insurance if he wants it. I can see him playing regular football for us and taking a decent backman every time he lines up. You couldn't say he was stalling anyone's development unless Westhoff manages to put on 20kg's and learns ho to mark.
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In the end the rookie list is for the development of project players (ie. late developers).
MT that's one possible use for the rookie list. I suspect the club has another couple of suggested uses for it.
I understand your argument about uncovering gems from the rookie list but that smacks of gambling to me. There's a reason these kids are overlooked and if you play the odds the likelihood of one of them coming on to be really good is slim. They are bloody hard to pick and come as a surprise to most people when they succeed. Of course the team that pick one looks like a stuffing genius but I credit it more to good luck than good planning.
For better or worse I think our club is using the rookie list as a strategic tool.
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Pathetic! :banghead
MT, who would have you taken with pick 60?
Put it out there and lets return in 12 months time as see how pathetic we have been??
could have taken a kid from africa or Ireland
Why? An international rookie is outside of the rookie list (except the Irish)
We're still going to fill the spot anyway, so it's a moot point
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And who said we aren't going to fill it for crying out loud! If all our 'priority' choices had been picked by then this now lets us reset, invite our preferred few down to train for another/further look, and then we take the best of the rest. Bloody hell, it must be Chicken Little Day.
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it must be Chicken Little Day.
Could we cook chicken little over the embers of the burning club? We might get somthing out of the draft after all ;D ;D ;D
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MT that's one possible use for the rookie list. I suspect the club has another couple of suggested uses for it.
I understand your argument about uncovering gems from the rookie list but that smacks of gambling to me. There's a reason these kids are overlooked and if you play the odds the likelihood of one of them coming on to be really good is slim. They are bloody hard to pick and come as a surprise to most people when they succeed. Of course the team that pick one looks like a effing genius but I credit it more to good luck than good planning.
For better or worse I think our club is using the rookie list as a strategic tool.
Sorry but this sounds like a bit of a cop out.
Its a very one-eyed policy demonstrating a lack of ability to develop your own from all layers of the draft. Sorry, their must be a bigger reason we are overlooking the kids yet other clubs are not. Finals sides are not achieved solely on high draft picks but by list balance. Sorry, its just a completely uninspiring rookie draft for me. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Finals sides are not achieved solely on high draft picks but by list balance.
Exactly , and that's probably why we didn't take any more kids. You do need to have some experience on your list to achieve the balance you're talking about.
Keep the faith
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Sorry, their must be a bigger reason we are overlooking the kids yet other clubs are not.
Which clubs didn't pick up a recycled player (or 2) in this rookie draft?
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I find it curious that people still fail to see the real purpose behind rookie listing Miller. Read Hardwick's take on Miller in the thread in this forum - He said that Miller has already inspired the group to greater heights during training and has been working with Vickery and Post. It went so far as to say if either of these two have a greatly improved season he would attricute a large proportion of this to Millers teaching. He also mentioned how well he was performing in the HF position. So even before we get onto the insurance argument forget about whether Miller will be there in one, two or 10 years but look to see if he is improving out list and based on what our coach has already said, I would suggest it is an astute pick.
Our last pick is not being left unused. It is simply being left for a young players who trains the house down over the preseason and wins the position. Even if no one was taken at the end of preseason, having a number of raw players training there pants off would push the rest of the squad to work that little bit harder too just to ensure they are not shown up.
Stripes
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I'd swear some people spend their lives just sweating on things to whinge about. Carrying on because we passed when we can still fill the spot next year. ::)
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Ian Callinan finally got drafted. Absolute gun from Tassie that's been dominating the SANFL. I'd much rather him than bloody Hislop :banghead
Experience doesn't mean poo if you can't play.
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Didn't Callinan try out with us a couple of years ago? He's the same age as Miller.
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Ian Callinan finally got drafted. Absolute gun from Tassie that's been dominating the SANFL. I'd much rather him than bloody Hislop :banghead
Experience doesn't mean poo if you can't play.
Didn't he go just before Hislop? maybe we had him earmarked but ended up with the "Slops" instead ;D
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Probably... Clubs have overlooked him because he's short.
He will be good for Adelaide.
lol TFT ;D
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He will be good for Adelaide.
Yeah, as a step ladder for Tippet ;D ;D ;D
Just jokes, hope he goes allright. He look's like a very similar player to Nick Gill who was a gun for North Adelaide but couldn't step up to the big league, Like Gill I can't see him getting a regular gig if the Porpoise is fully fit....
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Nick Gill's problem was he couldn't kick and was injury prone
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He will be good for Adelaide.
Yeah, as a step ladder for Tippet ;D ;D ;D
Just jokes, hope he goes allright. He look's like a very similar player to Nick Gill who was a gun for North Adelaide but couldn't step up to the big league, Like Gill I can't see him getting a regular gig if the Porpoise is fully fit....
I've played against Callinan before. He is a gun. He is a midget but a gun ;D
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Actually on recount 22 blokes previously on AFL lists, 26 if you count the PSD picks
but yeah, eff me Richmond WTF poor form blah blah effing whinge :whistle
Extremely poor form, we haven't learnt a thing!!
Last year we took Polak at RD #62, when we could have had a star like John Williams, Joshua Donaldson or Patrick Rose!!!
:rollin
Patrick Rose has kick 71 goals in the VFL so far this year. I wonder if we'll have any interest in him this year given we lack a genuine midsized goalkicking half-forward. He'll certainly cost more than a late rookie pick now.