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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Francois Jackson on October 28, 2007, 10:35:33 PM
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Assuming this time next year we collect another spoon should he stay or should he go??
personally i think others could have done a better job, maybe not in wins on the board but developing this team of skimmy lads. Also recruitment has to be questioned. KK to name many which has failed.
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It may be time for him to go this time next year if we have to endure the annus horribilis that was 2007.
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It may be time for him to go this time next year if we have to endure the annus horribilis that was 2007.
this time next year if they finish bottom l wont have to worry if he goes cause l will go barrack for something else
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if we are at the 29th October 2008 and we have won the wooden spoon ... players don't like him ... must go
if we finish 9th-13th, keep ...
IT IS THE PLAYERS ... NOT THE COACH ...
i think he knows he will lose his JOB if he has the same year again !!!
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In his 4th season if he has another year like this of course he should be sacked.
5 year contract or not.
He will cost the club plenty of $$$s for SFA return.
Personally I was extremely disappointed with Wallace's season this year on many levels.
I think he's a dead man walking. Has to have a vastly improved year to keep his job.
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What a conundrum for you Daniel, on one hand you'd love to see your club succeed but on the other you'd love it to fail just so Wallace gets the ar$e next year :wallywink
You, myself and everyone else already know that at any club, any coach who makes two wooden spoons in row is gonna be feathered and tarred so this ridiculous topic is not a census subject at all its just about you starting little spot fires ::)
gotta love your feeble attempts though and i love the "assuming we collect the wooden spoon" part of your post :lol :clapping :sleep
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What a conundrum for you Daniel, on one hand you'd love to see your club succeed but on the other you'd love it to fail just so Wallace gets the ar$e next year :wallywink
You, myself and everyone else already know that at any club, any coach who makes two wooden spoons in row is gonna be feathered and tarred so this ridiculous topic is not a census subject at all its just about you starting little spot fires ::)
gotta love your feeble attempts though and i love the "assuming we collect the wooden spoon" part of your post :lol :clapping :sleep
blx i knew you'd like it.
starting spot fires. have a listen to ya
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Assuming this time next year we collect another spoon should he stay or should he go??
personally i think others could have done a better job, maybe not in wins on the board but developing this team of skimmy lads. Also recruitment has to be questioned. KK to name many which has failed.
What a ridiculous and pointless post and thread. Haven't you got better things to do with your time than posting stuff like this?
Let's just deal with the coming season before worrying about what "might happen" at the end of the next year.
So bloody negative.
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Assuming this time next year we collect another spoon should he stay or should he go??
personally i think others could have done a better job, maybe not in wins on the board but developing this team of skimmy lads. Also recruitment has to be questioned. KK to name many which has failed.
What a ridiculous and pointless post and thread. Haven't you got better things to do with your time than posting stuff like this?
Let's just deal with the coming season before worrying about what "might happen" at the end of the next year.
So bloody negative.
do we have the reincarnation of pattersonmiller ala evaluator?
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Assuming this time next year we collect another spoon should he stay or should he go??
personally i think others could have done a better job, maybe not in wins on the board but developing this team of skimmy lads. Also recruitment has to be questioned. KK to name many which has failed.
What a ridiculous and pointless post and thread. Haven't you got better things to do with your time than posting stuff like this?
Let's just deal with the coming season before worrying about what "might happen" at the end of the next year.
So bloody negative.
do we have the reincarnation of pattersonmiller ala evaluator?
I'd add a few more to that list :sleep
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Assuming this time next year we collect another spoon should he stay or should he go??
personally i think others could have done a better job, maybe not in wins on the board but developing this team of skimmy lads. Also recruitment has to be questioned. KK to name many which has failed.
What a ridiculous and pointless post and thread. Haven't you got better things to do with your time than posting stuff like this?
Let's just deal with the coming season before worrying about what "might happen" at the end of the next year.
So bloody negative.
do we have the reincarnation of pattersonmiller ala evaluator?
I'd add a few more to that list :sleep
yeah i know but there have been so many how can you remember them all :lol
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Assuming this time next year we collect another spoon should he stay or should he go??
personally i think others could have done a better job, maybe not in wins on the board but developing this team of skimmy lads. Also recruitment has to be questioned. KK to name many which has failed.
What a ridiculous and pointless post and thread. Haven't you got better things to do with your time than posting stuff like this?
Let's just deal with the coming season before worrying about what "might happen" at the end of the next year.
So bloody negative.
so sorry bennett next time i post a thread ill ask you first if its allowed. where are we here, primary school.
im allowed to have my say, albeit positive or negative.
let me go over your posts and see if all comments were positive. give me a break u child.
now as for being negative. yeah well maybe i am at times but its hard not to with a team like ours.
recruiting, culture, change of coaches, bad results, spoons its hard to be positive.
as for worrying about next year im not being negative, im being realistic.
we will not finish outside of bottom 4 next year with this and u can quote me on that
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IMHO if Terry added more pressure at training over preseason and during 2008 so it simulated more game-type pressure (eg: players only allowed 5 steps and a short time to make a decision and hit a target rather than 15 steps and all the time in the world) he'll go a long way to improving the side. Back to basics of playing as you train.
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IMHO if Terry added more pressure at training over preseason and during 2008 so it simulated more game-type pressure (eg: players only allowed 5 steps and a short time to make a decision and hit a target rather than 15 steps and all the time in the world) he'll go a long way to improving the side. Back to basics of playing as you train.
Hey MT , he aint going to do that, he is Terry Wallet ::)
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he got to be at the training sessions to do enforce that
one of the main problems with the playing group in lack of onfield communication
tackling hard & solid sheparding would be where l would start & maning up one on one football make then contest hard everytime
& the most important is how to bring the ball back into play after a point cause we are shocking since they brought this rule in & its not the rule its the way the coaches are coaching it to the players :banghead
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of course its not the players with most of the problems we have
i mean why are our players still the skinniest in the league and why doesnt wallace and co enforce a strict weights program for them. i watch them get pushed aside like little kids, its laughable at times
as for our teams kicking out of our forward line, woeful. teams time and time just coast to coast that football straight throught to the big sticks. why is this still happening is beyond me
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So you are saying finish last and then it is bye bye Wallace and welcome picks one and two in nexts year draft.
How is next years draft shaping up by the way?
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Back to basics of playing as you train.
Terry definitely needs to get back to basics with this footy club.
For three years he has tried to be innovative in a gazillion different directions with a list that hasn't been capable and a team structure that is non existent..
He lost the plot last year IMO and it started with the '2011' comments.
Keep it simple FFS!!!!!
Teach them to play accountable, team oriented football and get them to bleed for the jumper and their team mates.
*After 3 years our tackling and 1%s have barely improved under Terry's reign despite significant player turnover.
It's simply not good enough.
Frawley may not have had a clue but at least he showed passion.
Wallace has shown he has little genuine affection for the club or the team at this point IMO and his players are following suit.
Many are lazy, selfish & lack discipline & desire..
I blame the coach for much of that..
Has his lost them? Is his message getting through?
For a supposedly highly credentialled, experienced and expensive coach, he is seriously under the pump IMO.
Any chump can coach team's to last spot.
LIFT WALLACE. >:(
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Back to basics of playing as you train.
He lost the plot last year IMO and it started with the '2011' comments.
right he may be with those comments, which i doubt to that extent but anyway, but you just dont come out and say that to your fans. we need to hear positive things come out of the coaches mouth.
Loser comment in my book
has he lost the plot? in my book yeah most surely has. he seems to miss the point time and time again.
i watch other teams and they defend each other, fight for each other, BLOCK for each other, shepherd for each other.
These are some of the main things that bond a team and we havent a clue in this area
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remember 2006, everyone from geelong to the media to kindom come wanted bomber thompson sacked because he was no good.
just a question, what will all the wallace doubters say next year if we finish in the top 8 or even better top 5?
its just to damn early to call anything, lets wait til the end of 2008 before we manke any judgements
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just a question, what will all the wallace doubters say next year if we finish in the top 8 or even better top 5?
I'll be the first to come out and say I was wrong.
Can't see it though.
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same here but aint gonna happen.
he is a walking time bomb wallace and through no fault of his own.
spud had tigers running through his veins u culd tell every time he spoke defending his players on and off the field. this chump couldnt care less it seems. all he cares about his where his next spray tan is gonna come from
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same here but aint gonna happen.
he is a walking time bomb wallace and through no fault of his own.
spud had tigers running through his veins u culd tell every time he spoke defending his players on and off the field. this chump couldnt care less it seems. all he cares about his where his next spray tan is gonna come from
spud....now there is a can of worms that i wouldnt want to open.
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i know i was thinking that as i wrote his name.
such a uneducated and silly coach however he loved the tigers u could tell.
wallace im not so sure he at times gives us nothing in emotion not to mention in success.
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such a uneducated and silly coach however he loved the tigers u could tell.
By wearing his Saints socks to every game lol
I think not :rollin
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such a uneducated and silly coach however he loved the tigers u could tell.
By wearing his Saints socks to every game lol
I think not :rollin
yeh that was the first thought i had of Danny....oh and that damn word "cherryripe"
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same here but aint gonna happen.
he is a walking time bomb wallace and through no fault of his own.
spud had tigers running through his veins u culd tell every time he spoke defending his players on and off the field. this chump couldnt care less it seems. all he cares about his where his next spray tan is gonna come from
Would totally agree, at least spud had ""crack""!
Poor coach though.
Can remember the only game in the last 6 years we played with spirit was the "Return game"" against the doggies where Wallet was the opposition coach
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Look at our list people!!! Look at where we are!!! We are here because of that guy who you claim "had a crack"!!! :banghead :banghead I'll never forgive that Spud Dud for all the damage he caused to our club and I don't give a toss if he had more passion for the club than TW as it was proven that most of his decision making was based on emotion, not logic! :banghead :banghead How any of you can support him is beyond belief!! ??? ::) Wallace is a far better coach and has seen from day one where the problems were and what we need to do to change them.
We are rebuilding and this does take 5 years at least, especially if there are a few recruiting mistakes along the way which happens to the best of clubs. Last season was the "recession we had to have" and clubs like the Bombers are yet to have it which I believe puts us well ahead of them in the rebuilding stakes. We are one of the youngest teams in the comp. To me this is positive and shows that Wallace is on the right track. Our results in the last quarter of the season showed that our young guys are improving with every game.
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Would totally agree, at least spud had ""crack""!
Well that explains a lot for why he was such a dud coach lol :shh :rollin
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such a uneducated and silly coach however he loved the tigers u could tell.
By wearing his Saints socks to every game lol
I think not :rollin
yeh that was the first thought i had of Danny....oh and that damn word "cherryripe"
Stick Fat oh yeah!!!!!!
Cherry Ripe I had so many from 02-04 I am now a diabetic.
Well said Tiga totally agree. Every time I hear his voice or see him on TV I want to puke. Are they making him out to be some sort of footy expert and diplomat. :banghead
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Would totally agree, at least spud had ""crack""!
Well that explains a lot for why he was such a dud coach lol :shh :rollin
He was a terrible coach at the finish, he least he got us to a prelim final, something Wallet wont achieve at Punt road.
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he least he got us to a prelim final, something Wallet wont achieve at Punt road.
True enough.
At the end of the day both coaches have a wooden spoon to their credit but only one has a finals birth(so far).
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Look at our list people!!! Look at where we are!!! We are here because of that guy who you claim "had a crack"!!! :banghead :banghead I'll never forgive that Spud Dud for all the damage he caused to our club and I don't give a toss if he had more passion for the club than TW as it was proven that most of his decision making was based on emotion, not logic! :banghead :banghead How any of you can support him is beyond belief!! ??? ::) Wallace is a far better coach and has seen from day one where the problems were and what we need to do to change them.
We are rebuilding and this does take 5 years at least, especially if there are a few recruiting mistakes along the way which happens to the best of clubs. Last season was the "recession we had to have" and clubs like the Bombers are yet to have it which I believe puts us well ahead of them in the rebuilding stakes. We are one of the youngest teams in the comp. To me this is positive and shows that Wallace is on the right track. Our results in the last quarter of the season showed that our young guys are improving with every game.
i love the i dont know how any of you support him line!!!
who supports frawley. he got us to a prelim and yes he also got us into this mess but maybe wallace should've looked deeper into our list before opening up his wallet.
he still goes on about fraweley which peees me off. GET OVER IT!!
i never hear any other coach go on about previous lists and coaches so why the hell should he.
i see no difference between the 2 as it stands right now. both recruited bad. both gave us spoons-1 took us to a prelim.
both pathetic in my book.
what we need is a malthouse or a mark williams as coach of this team. for me the 2 best coaches in the league
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he still goes on about fraweley which peees me off. GET OVER IT!!
I haven't noticed this. When was the last time TW was going on about Frawley? What did he say?
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slight exageration but he mentioned it a few times this year but really even saying it once is too much.
u sound like a sore loser. ooh u left me with this train wreck what am i gonna do now.
the list is very bad, no one aged 23-27. true as it maybe u get paid 400k plus to make it happen pal
its really childish and sounds pathetic.
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The way we have been performing for the last 25 yrs on and off the field its time the blame game on the previous admins and coaching regime stopped. So long as the current staff do it and continue to do it they have a scapegoat in the eyes of the board media and fans and can fall back on it for a time, time that perhaps would have been better spent regrouping and stabilising ourselves. Wake up Terry and use your smarts and your abilities and turning it all around. With the position you have the on field group in, we will now see whether your true worth as a coach is the real deal or a figmentation of the media and your media savviness. Wake up Terry and earn your money. There's always time for the solarium post footy.
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slight exageration but he mentioned it a few times this year but really even saying it once is too much.
u sound like a sore loser. ooh u left me with this train wreck what am i gonna do now.
the list is very bad, no one aged 23-27. true as it maybe u get paid 400k plus to make it happen pal
its really childish and sounds pathetic.
$500K actually!
Then he gets mate Jordon McMahon on a contract of $1,000,000 for 3 years. ::)
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slight exageration but he mentioned it a few times this year but really even saying it once is too much.
u sound like a sore loser. ooh u left me with this train wreck what am i gonna do now.
the list is very bad, no one aged 23-27. true as it maybe u get paid 400k plus to make it happen pal
its really childish and sounds pathetic.
and i wonder who neglected that particular age group by wasting draft picks on players like P.Hudson and so..if we hadnt traded our picks and used them those young blokes now would be around that age..
geez.
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slight exageration but he mentioned it a few times this year but really even saying it once is too much.
u sound like a sore loser. ooh u left me with this train wreck what am i gonna do now.
the list is very bad, no one aged 23-27. true as it maybe u get paid 400k plus to make it happen pal
its really childish and sounds pathetic.
$500K actually!
Then he gets mate Jordon McMahon on a contract of $1,000,000 for 3 years. ::)
cooking the books again Jackstar. :lol
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Alarm bells started ringing for me through last year’s trade week and I was going to post something at the time but thought I was just being overly emotional. As time has passed it seems that maybe it was more than just emotion and maybe my concerns were real. The only way I’d be happy for TW to remain coach would be if he was kept away from anything to do with recruitment, trades, or player development.
Otherwise, left to his own devices, we will soon have a list of flashy, but inconsistent, outside flanker, mini sized downhill skier types who couldn’t bruise a fly types.
Opposition teams must be shaking in their boots at the prospect of RFC in 2011. Me, I’m just shaking my head.
How can you have a coach who is so self-absorbed and worried about his own coaching record more than he is the players? My answer is that you can’t, if you want to get anywhere. His coaching style goes skin deep, and that’s being kind.
We lose by 157 points and he comes out and says ‘I’ve never been involved in such a loss’. Well boo hoo for you. What about the players, how must they be feeling about it?
I’m sorry, but he just rubs me the wrong way and I just have no faith left in his ability as a coach whatsoever. If I ever really had any. That’s as honest as I can be about it.
He either has a major major overhaul or he’s taking us nowhere we want to go.
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Funny thing if you look at games from year 2001, one of the many reasons we made the finals were the efforts of Clinton King and Steve Sziller. Both players much maligned by Tiger supporters.
King had an excellent season -ran and carry style, while Sziller, was ""in and under"" and a bit of an enforcer.
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Funny thing if you look at games from year 2001, one of the many reasons we made the finals were the efforts of Clinton King and Steve Sziller. Both players much maligned by Tiger supporters.
King had an excellent season -ran and carry style, while Sziller, was ""in and under"" and a bit of an enforcer.
Agree although they couldn't compete against the bigger bodies of Brisbane and Essendon and their footskills were hit-and-miss.
The loss of Brodders and Benny Gale at the end of 2001 left a bigger hole than people realised, on top of the ridiculous recruiting and misjudging of our weaknesses.
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every team seems to bounce back after 3 or 4 years but we dont.
is it a culture thing down at punt road. this coach will blame the previous coach and so on.
that loss against the cats was a disgrace and should never happen in this day and age, not that much anyway. i was anti wallace after that game.
we r mentally weak as a team and this is the coach not drilling it into the players.
i cant imagine malthouse standing for something like that and constant pathetic performances like we dish up time and time again.
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If you watch that Bulldogs return game at the Dome in 2001 we were well beaten in the centre breaks that night until the last quarter when King got 5 out of the 6 centre breaks for us. Agree with those comments Jack and MT.
Injuries in 2002 as well as the loss of those experienced players further depleted us and exposed our threadbare list even more with guys who could not cut the mustard at this level getting more regular senior footy. This was the beginning of the end for Frawley as he knew he was going to be compared to his 2001 finish and he coached to preserve his status as a coach rather than look after the playing stocks of the club and surround himself with a band of nit wits like Brittain to boot.
For me Frawley was lost as coach in the first quarter of our Round 2 2002 game against Essendon. 44-3 down at qtr time against an injury depleted Dons team on a Friday night exposed how far off the pace we really were after a pre season Grand Final and round 1 thumping of Collingwood. From that point on we were never the same team never coached the same and that daring and free flowingness that we had seen on numerous occassions in 2000 and 2001 were totally gone. He had lost all confidence on his coaching and the talent on the less which was evident to us also and he coached accordingly and recruited accordingly.
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Been watching a lot of tapes from 2001. King had an excellent season.
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How can you have a coach who is so self-absorbed and worried about his own coaching record
Probably the most unselfish coach we've had in a long time. He has totally stripped the club of all the dead wood. If he was looking after his own coaching record, he would have kept on topping up as previous coaches have done and failed. You can dislike him all you like - I couldn't give a stuff - but to call him worried about his own coaching record is way off the mark. You can say his recruiting is crap, but most of his choices are about developing a list for the next 10 years. Whether he's picked the right players or not, not looking great at the moment, but still remains to be seen. You can bag him if he is unsuccessful after his 5 year tenure, but he hasn't gone about it just for his own personal glory, was done with a long term plan for a solid future, not a quick fix. The plan is good - the success or otherwise is what he should be judged on in the long run.
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How can you have a coach who is so self-absorbed and worried about his own coaching record
Probably the most unselfish coach we've had in a long time. He has totally stripped the club of all the dead wood. If he was looking after his own coaching record, he would have kept on topping up as previous coaches have done and failed. You can dislike him all you like - I couldn't give a stuff - but to call him worried about his own coaching record is way off the mark. You can say his recruiting is crap, but most of his choices are about developing a list for the next 10 years. Whether he's picked the right players or not, not looking great at the moment, but still remains to be seen. You can bag him if he is unsuccessful after his 5 year tenure, but he hasn't gone about it just for his own personal glory, was done with a long term plan for a solid future, not a quick fix. The plan is good - the success or otherwise is what he should be judged on in the long run.
Well said Moi. :clapping :clapping
Okay so lets be realistic here. If all you Wallace bashers want him gone then what is YOUR blueprint for success?? If you were given the coaching job when Wallace got it what would you have done?? I bet it wouldn't be all that different to what Terry has already put in place. I still remember the screams..."get rid of the duds that frawley recruitied".."get rid of any player who doesn't want to be in the yellow and black"..."Start a youth recruitment policy"....."give the young guys more consistent game time to prove themselves"...Does any of this sound familiar??? Well guess what....Wallace has done all of this.
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every team seems to bounce back after 3 or 4 years but we dont.
is it a culture thing down at punt road. this coach will blame the previous coach and so on.
Because the problem was/is a combination of so many different things. It's just not the coach, not just the recruiter, not just the fitness staff, not just the admin, not just the board, etc... And our poor decisions are also compounded by trying to compensate for past poor decisions by predecessors when a line should be just drawn in the sand. (easier said than done when supporters and especially certain egos within coterie groups put enormous pressure on the club to find quick fixes or else bring on mayhem).
For example in 2001 Benny Gale was forced into retirement because we couldn't pay him on top of other players wanting big $$$. So the club needed to go out unprepared and find a read-made replacement ruckman urgently. On top of that we wanted to offload Daffy and especially his 1999 contract to free up $$$. So we traded away our first pick for Stafford in the superdraft. We then picked up Rodan with our 2nd pick, who slipped to pick 33 because of his lack of height, to compensate missing out on a top kid with our first pick. We also overrated where the team is at after 2001 and top up with Hudson and Houlihan with the rest of our picks. This topping up was on top of other years of topping up which means we are now in 2007 missing those 23-27 year olds who would've come from those drafts and we have Miller chasing each year after someone in that age-bracket to fill the void. So we trade away pick 19 for a 24-year-old McMahon :P.
The Club still doesn't seem to be fully functioning as a single unit from top to bottom IMO despite the best intentions of March and the great job done by Wright (it's still though functioning far better than anytime within the past 25 years). Just simple little things in decision making - like we're meant to be rebuilding our list yet despite being ranked 11th in general revenue we are 16th in spending on recruiting resources (why are 5 other clubs with less money spending more on recruiting than we are/were?). We finish wooden spooners yet have just 2 draft picks in the top 50 thanks to trading a good pick for a 24 year old flanker ???. We had the coach go against the wishes of the board in picking up a 28 year old Kingsley in last year's PSD. These are issues that IMO should not be happening if everyone within the club is on the same wavelength as they need to be to become successful. Perhaps a good sit down of everybody to reaffirm the club's overall rebuilding policy is in order.
Yes picking up more kids with such a young list won't do much for on-field performance in 2008 but these 5 years under Plough were about rebuilding and restructuring our list back into shape by the end of 2009. I didn't have a problem with Terry's 2011 comments. You don't shoot someone down for saying the truth just because you don't like hearing this rebuilding is going to take time. He should have kept it to himself though and kept up the "young developing list that is 70% U23" mantra publicly. Means the same thing but you don't get Caro's "Tigers aiming for 9th" crap and the rest of the media sensationalizing what you say into a back page story.
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How can you have a coach who is so self-absorbed and worried about his own coaching record
Probably the most unselfish coach we've had in a long time. He has totally stripped the club of all the dead wood. If he was looking after his own coaching record, he would have kept on topping up as previous coaches have done and failed. You can dislike him all you like - I couldn't give a stuff - but to call him worried about his own coaching record is way off the mark. You can say his recruiting is crap, but most of his choices are about developing a list for the next 10 years. Whether he's picked the right players or not, not looking great at the moment, but still remains to be seen. You can bag him if he is unsuccessful after his 5 year tenure, but he hasn't gone about it just for his own personal glory, was done with a long term plan for a solid future, not a quick fix. The plan is good - the success or otherwise is what he should be judged on in the long run.
Well said Moi. :clapping :clapping
Okay so lets be realistic here. If all you Wallace bashers want him gone then what is YOUR blueprint for success?? If you were given the coaching job when Wallace got it what would you have done?? I bet it wouldn't be all that different to what Terry has already put in place..
in some way i agree with what ur saying but i judge him on recruiting and developing
big problem. krak should've been gone last year. tivers, meyer whom he chose. tambling not buddy when we clearly needed a KP
why are our players still with muscles like my 90 year old grandma
these are all his faults. can anyone do a better job. no !! not with this list
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Onto Spud...
Spud's problem was he had just one gameplan (bomb it long to two big tall agile forwards) and no plan B, he overrated our list after 2001, and he couldn't adapt once other clubs had worked him and us out. He also drafted just one tall (Schulz) in his 5 years. He along with Geischen are also responsible for the lack of the 23-27 age bracket whether people want to call it living in the past or not. No matter what Plough does he can never reach his predecessor's incompentence :banghead.
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fair call but what about the list that he has got and brought to the club
whose to blame for their lack of development and will to play.
who didnt pick up a KPP in the 05 draft
who kept schulz
kent kingsley
i agree with u spud left us in a hole but how many other coaches pick up train wrecks and deal with it successfully. i only hear about wallace complaining.
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every team seems to bounce back after 3 or 4 years but we dont.
is it a culture thing down at punt road. this coach will blame the previous coach and so on.
Because the problem was/is a combination of so many different things. It's just not the coach, not just the recruiter, not just the fitness staff, not just the admin, not just the board, etc... And our poor decisions are also compounded by trying to compensate for past poor decisions by predecessors when a line should be just drawn in the sand. (easier said than done when supporters and especially certain egos within coterie groups put enormous pressure on the club to find quick fixes or else bring on mayhem).
For example in 2001 Benny Gale was forced into retirement because we couldn't pay him on top of other players wanting big $$$. So the club needed to go out unprepared and find a read-made replacement ruckman urgently. On top of that we wanted to offload Daffy and especially his 1999 contract to free up $$$. So we traded away our first pick for Stafford in the superdraft. We then picked up Rodan with our 2nd pick, who slipped to pick 33 because of his lack of height, to compensate missing out on a top kid with our first pick. We also overrated where the team is at after 2001 and top up with Hudson and Houlihan with the rest of our picks. This topping up was on top of other years of topping up which means we are now in 2007 missing those 23-27 year olds who would've come from those drafts and we have Miller chasing each year after someone in that age-bracket to fill the void. So we trade away pick 19 for a 24-year-old McMahon :P.
The Club still doesn't seem to be fully functioning as a single unit from top to bottom IMO despite the best intentions of March and the great job done by Wright (it's still though functioning far better than anytime within the past 25 years). Just simple little things in decision making - like we're meant to be rebuilding our list yet despite being ranked 11th in general revenue we are 16th in spending on recruiting resources (why are 5 other clubs with less money spending more on recruiting than we are/were?). We finish wooden spooners yet have just 2 draft picks in the top 50 thanks to trading a good pick for a 24 year old flanker ???. We had the coach go against the wishes of the board in picking up a 28 year old Kingsley in last year's PSD. These are issues that IMO should not be happening if everyone within the club is on the same wavelength as they need to be to become successful. Perhaps a good sit down of everybody to reaffirm the club's overall rebuilding policy is in order.
Yes picking up more kids with such a young list won't do much for on-field performance in 2008 but these 5 years under Plough were about rebuilding and restructuring our list back into shape by the end of 2009. I didn't have a problem with Terry's 2011 comments. You don't shoot someone down for saying the truth just because you don't like hearing this rebuilding is going to take time. He should have kept it to himself though and kept up the "young developing list that is 70% U23" mantra publicly. Means the same thing but you don't get Caro's "Tigers aiming for 9th" crap and the rest of the media sensationalizing what you say into a back page story.
So many valid points but i fear that it will get lost in the quick fix policy some still have with this club.
Great effort. :thumbsup
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slight exageration but he mentioned it a few times this year but really even saying it once is too much.
u sound like a sore loser. ooh u left me with this train wreck what am i gonna do now.
the list is very bad, no one aged 23-27. true as it maybe u get paid 400k plus to make it happen pal
its really childish and sounds pathetic.
$500K actually!
Then he gets mate Jordon McMahon on a contract of $1,000,000 for 3 years. ::)
cooking the books again Jackstar. :lol
thats right rog ::)
and sheeds rejected the demons coaching job because he has been promised the richmond job ::)
jackstar is one bitter and twisted ex-employee
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How can you have a coach who is so self-absorbed and worried about his own coaching record
Probably the most unselfish coach we've had in a long time. He has totally stripped the club of all the dead wood. If he was looking after his own coaching record, he would have kept on topping up as previous coaches have done and failed. You can dislike him all you like - I couldn't give a stuff - but to call him worried about his own coaching record is way off the mark. You can say his recruiting is crap, but most of his choices are about developing a list for the next 10 years. Whether he's picked the right players or not, not looking great at the moment, but still remains to be seen. You can bag him if he is unsuccessful after his 5 year tenure, but he hasn't gone about it just for his own personal glory, was done with a long term plan for a solid future, not a quick fix. The plan is good - the success or otherwise is what he should be judged on in the long run.
spot on moi
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and sheeds rejected the demons coaching job because he has been promised the richmond job ::)
jackstar is one bitter and twisted ex-employee
is that true. honestly is that just a opinion or fact.
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Probably the most unselfish coach we've had in a long time. He has totally stripped the club of all the dead wood. If he was looking after his own coaching record, he would have kept on topping up as previous coaches have done and failed. You can dislike him all you like - I couldn't give a stuff - but to call him worried about his own coaching record is way off the mark. You can say his recruiting is crap, but most of his choices are about developing a list for the next 10 years. Whether he's picked the right players or not, not looking great at the moment, but still remains to be seen. You can bag him if he is unsuccessful after his 5 year tenure, but he hasn't gone about it just for his own personal glory, was done with a long term plan for a solid future, not a quick fix. The plan is good - the success or otherwise is what he should be judged on in the long run.
The way I see it, we’ve just wasted another 3 years for no good reason, other than to preen TW’s ego. We had the coming of the next generation this year because his previous option suddenly went belly up. Who woulda seen that coming?
Do some coaches even understand and appreciate the task they are entrusted with, or just go into the caper with the wild notion of revolutionising the game?
It comes across that TW wants to recruit players for positions, and if a player fits a designated role then that’s good enough for TW. Even if it means completely ignoring any ‘baggage’ or ‘history’ that may come with certain players, and even if it means sacrificing those who deserve better.
To me, coaches such as this are destined for the scrap heap. And not before time, because their faith and focus are totally misplaced. It’s one thing to have a grand plan; it’s another to make it work. Without the belief, will and dedicated input of the players to make it happen then no game plan, no matter how well rehearsed, will work on a consistent basis. And unless we’re recruiting players who are confident, self-motivated and generally able to coach themselves then, basically, our fortunes seem to be in the lap of the gods. Without a balanced coaching approach, all players would be receiving is meaningless information overload that separates them from any enjoyment and prevents them from playing hard nosed footy that wins meaningful games.
If you reckon he’s a good bloke then who am I to tell you to think something else. All I’m saying, from what I’ve seen of his coaching so far is that he’s taking us nowhere.
He de-listed some players. Well, who on this board, or anyone who has followed RFC for long enough couldn’t have done the same thing? If you ask me, anyone off the street could do what he has done to now. When he starts ‘coaching’ and not just ‘list adjusting’ to bring him success then I’ll give it a rest.
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Probably the most unselfish coach we've had in a long time. He has totally stripped the club of all the dead wood. If he was looking after his own coaching record, he would have kept on topping up as previous coaches have done and failed. You can dislike him all you like - I couldn't give a stuff - but to call him worried about his own coaching record is way off the mark. You can say his recruiting is crap, but most of his choices are about developing a list for the next 10 years. Whether he's picked the right players or not, not looking great at the moment, but still remains to be seen. You can bag him if he is unsuccessful after his 5 year tenure, but he hasn't gone about it just for his own personal glory, was done with a long term plan for a solid future, not a quick fix. The plan is good - the success or otherwise is what he should be judged on in the long run.
The way I see it, we’ve just wasted another 3 years for no good reason, other than to preen TW’s ego. We had the coming of the next generation this year because his previous option suddenly went belly up. Who woulda seen that coming?
Do some coaches even understand and appreciate the task they are entrusted with, or just go into the caper with the wild notion of revolutionising the game?
It comes across that TW wants to recruit players for positions, and if a player fits a designated role then that’s good enough for TW. Even if it means completely ignoring any ‘baggage’ or ‘history’ that may come with certain players, and even if it means sacrificing those who deserve better.
To me, coaches such as this are destined for the scrap heap. And not before time, because their faith and focus are totally misplaced. It’s one thing to have a grand plan; it’s another to make it work. Without the belief, will and dedicated input of the players to make it happen then no game plan, no matter how well rehebehindd, will work on a consistent basis. And unless we’re recruiting players who are confident, self-motivated and generally able to coach themselves then, basically, our fortunes seem to be in the lap of the gods. Without a balanced coaching approach, all players would be receiving is meaningless information overload that separates them from any enjoyment and prevents them from playing hard nosed footy that wins meaningful games.
If you reckon he’s a good bloke then who am I to tell you to think something else. All I’m saying, from what I’ve seen of his coaching so far is that he’s taking us nowhere.
He de-listed some players. Well, who on this board, or anyone who has followed RFC for long enough couldn’t have done the same thing? If you ask me, anyone off the street could do what he has done to now. When he starts ‘coaching’ and not just ‘list adjusting’ to bring him success then I’ll give it a rest.
I really have no idea what you're trying to say. It's just rhetoric. Provide examples. Like that first para, what does it mean? what first option went belly up. I'm totally lost!
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Probably the most unselfish coach we've had in a long time. He has totally stripped the club of all the dead wood. If he was looking after his own coaching record, he would have kept on topping up as previous coaches have done and failed. You can dislike him all you like - I couldn't give a stuff - but to call him worried about his own coaching record is way off the mark. You can say his recruiting is crap, but most of his choices are about developing a list for the next 10 years. Whether he's picked the right players or not, not looking great at the moment, but still remains to be seen. You can bag him if he is unsuccessful after his 5 year tenure, but he hasn't gone about it just for his own personal glory, was done with a long term plan for a solid future, not a quick fix. The plan is good - the success or otherwise is what he should be judged on in the long run.
The way I see it, we’ve just wasted another 3 years for no good reason, other than to preen TW’s ego. We had the coming of the next generation this year because his previous option suddenly went belly up. Who woulda seen that coming?
Do some coaches even understand and appreciate the task they are entrusted with, or just go into the caper with the wild notion of revolutionising the game?
It comes across that TW wants to recruit players for positions, and if a player fits a designated role then that’s good enough for TW. Even if it means completely ignoring any ‘baggage’ or ‘history’ that may come with certain players, and even if it means sacrificing those who deserve better.
To me, coaches such as this are destined for the scrap heap. And not before time, because their faith and focus are totally misplaced. It’s one thing to have a grand plan; it’s another to make it work. Without the belief, will and dedicated input of the players to make it happen then no game plan, no matter how well rehebehindd, will work on a consistent basis. And unless we’re recruiting players who are confident, self-motivated and generally able to coach themselves then, basically, our fortunes seem to be in the lap of the gods. Without a balanced coaching approach, all players would be receiving is meaningless information overload that separates them from any enjoyment and prevents them from playing hard nosed footy that wins meaningful games.
If you reckon he’s a good bloke then who am I to tell you to think something else. All I’m saying, from what I’ve seen of his coaching so far is that he’s taking us nowhere.
He de-listed some players. Well, who on this board, or anyone who has followed RFC for long enough couldn’t have done the same thing? If you ask me, anyone off the street could do what he has done to now. When he starts ‘coaching’ and not just ‘list adjusting’ to bring him success then I’ll give it a rest.
well said.
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fair call but what about the list that he has got and brought to the club
whose to blame for their lack of development and will to play.
who didnt pick up a KPP in the 05 draft
who kept schulz
kent kingsley
i agree with u spud left us in a hole but how many other coaches pick up train wrecks and deal with it successfully. i only hear about wallace complaining.
I guess you've got to put all of Plough's choices together to judge. Having a decent senior core would have helped speed up our cubs' development. Mind you Patto and McGuane had to swim this year after being chucked in the deep end. On top of that IMO Plough needs to get back to basics and have us playing as we train with more pressure applied at training.
Here's Plough's recruits:
2004: Lids, Tambo, Meyer, Patto, Polo, McGaune, Limbach, Mark Graham, Knobel, Thursty, Simmo
The "fab 5" will be under pressure to perform next year. Thursty and Simmo have been Plough's best gets so far. McGuane started to show something this year
2005: JON, Hughes, Casserly, White, Angus Graham, Howat, Humm, Paddy Bowden
Lots of question marks on this group. We did pick up a KPP in Cleve btw.
2006: Jack Riewoldt, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Collins, King, Clingan, Kingsley, Polak
The two gones were cheap yet wasted choices but overall pretty good although early days. Perhaps the only criticism is too many of the same height/type. We should have picked up another young KPP instead of Tas, Kingsley or Collins IMO
2007: McMahon, Morton, picks 2, 18, 51, PSD and 3 rookies.
We don't know yet. Let's hope we have some rookie finds.
Breakdown by height:
199+ cm: Gus, Knobel
194-198cm: Simmo, Patto, Polak
190-193cm: Thursty, Hughes, McGuane, Riewoldt, Limbach, Paddy Bowden, Kingsley, Mark Graham
186-189cm: Lids, Polo, JON, Casserly
180-185cm: Tambo, Meyer, Collins, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Howat, McMahon, Morton, Clingan, Humm
<180cm: White, King
Not the midget recruiting as some claim but we needed to double up with talls to make up for Spud's negligence. Not enough ruckman though and an extra big KPP would be useful. No obvious true high possession ballwinners from the groups of smalls either as yet.
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slight exageration but he mentioned it a few times this year but really even saying it once is too much.
u sound like a sore loser. ooh u left me with this train wreck what am i gonna do now.
the list is very bad, no one aged 23-27. true as it maybe u get paid 400k plus to make it happen pal
its really childish and sounds pathetic.
$500K actually!
Then he gets mate Jordon McMahon on a contract of $1,000,000 for 3 years. ::)
cooking the books again Jackstar. :lol
thats right rog ::)
and sheeds rejected the demons coaching job because he has been promised the richmond job ::)
jackstar is one bitter and twisted ex-employee
You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
For what its worth ""goose"", I left on my own steam as i wasnt going to work for a "" bunch of clowns"". Move on Blaisee. I think the clubs going nowhere at the moment, you think we are flying and you are entitled to your opinion, lets see who they pick up in the pre-season draft this year, Now where is Kent Kingsley ? No wonder we won the spoon, fair dinkum!
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The writing is on the wall now and I’m not prepared to support TW and the Club’s methods when they don’t deserve supporting. Instead, I’d rather challenge them.
People say the state of the list and all its inherited problems are an issue, or ‘the’ issue. You can accept that to some degree, but at times you just have to wonder if our results are simply the fault of the list, and I don’t reckon they are entirely.
If they are then what are we supposed to do until this perfect world arrives and our list is ideal? Maybe we should just go and tend the garden and forget about footy for a while, contemplate our navels, take up needle point, or just take a trip around the world? Unless you’re a glutton for punishment, why would you bother going to games if you already know to expect nothing much for some time to come yet? But people go anyway, just in hope, if nothing else.
And so they should have hope. After all, where’s the evidence to say that you can’t see any sort of results until the perfect world arrives? If the coach’s faith is placed where it should be, in his players, rather than in the system, then the human spirit is only limited by belief. At RFC they’ve mastered the art of illusion, and if they spent as much time on their players, as they do appeasing supporters, maybe we’d have something resembling a team, sooner rather than when the ‘premiership clock’ says we should have.
But the only people they are deluding now is themselves, because all this approach has served to do is eliminate the capacity for what the human spirit is capable of and replaced it with rhyme and reason. There is always an explanation, an excuse and a reason for any and all situations. No more does the human element play a part at RFC. It all comes down to logic, stats, facts, figures, reasons why it is not and why it is so.
For as long as their faith is placed in systems, processes and reason, rather than people, then the possibility for anything else to occur is nigh on impossible.
One then has to ask what is the purpose of professional sport, if it is not to inspire people; not with the expected, but with unexpected amazing feats, endeavours and human ingenuity and spirit? They are probably kidding themselves that they have people fooled, but they are the only real fools here, because they continue to fail, as a Club, to get the best out of players. And instead of directing their energies in the areas that need it most, they prefer to use their energies to deflect, divert attention and relieve the pressure whenever failure occurs.
What they say may make a whole lot of sense, but seriously, where is the balance and where in this oh so logical and reasoned place is the potential for anything other than what is logical to occur? What of the human element and the ability of humans to inspire through commitment, belief, determination, and shear will? Where is there room for any of that to occur, under the current circumstances and way of doing things?
Nowhere I say, but what choice is there other than to wait patiently until our ideal list materialises. Guess that is when we will start to see some coaching happen? Nope, nothing happening here for a while folks, probably 2011 I reckon.
Clearly, the faith at RFC is misplaced. It’s not where it should be. It’s in deflecting, diverting attention, systems, processes, the list; managing the list, getting the list to the right number of games and in the right age brackets, blah, blah, blah. We heard it the first time and understood, but when does achieving unexpected results, through coaching, come into things, like at other Clubs? They’re trying to tell us it’s not possible, even though it happens at other Clubs.
Added to that are the continual excuses and distancing from any responsibility when it comes to poor performances, which are a bit rich. The press conferences after games are a real eye opener, especially as TW seems to think that just by putting the onus on his players to perform that it will magically make them play better the next time or something. Got me beat how it hasn’t worked so far. There’s nothing like knowing your players and how to build their confidence and create a united team front. Nothing at all.
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I left on my own steam as i wasnt going to work for a "" bunch of clowns"".
Wouldn't that make you a bitter and twisted ex-employee ??
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I left on my own steam as i wasnt going to work for a "" bunch of clowns"".
Wouldn't that make you a bitter and twisted ex-employee ??
No!, got better job elsewhere, end of subject!
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The writing is on the wall now and I’m not prepared to support TW and the Club’s methods when they don’t deserve supporting. Instead, I’d rather challenge them.
People say the state of the list and all its inherited problems are an issue, or ‘the’ issue. You can accept that to some degree, but at times you just have to wonder if our results are simply the fault of the list, and I don’t reckon they are entirely.
If they are then what are we supposed to do until this perfect world arrives and our list is ideal? Maybe we should just go and tend the garden and forget about footy for a while, contemplate our navels, take up needle point, or just take a trip around the world? Unless you’re a glutton for punishment, why would you bother going to games if you already know to expect nothing much for some time to come yet? But people go anyway, just in hope, if nothing else.
And so they should have hope. After all, where’s the evidence to say that you can’t see any sort of results until the perfect world arrives? If the coach’s faith is placed where it should be, in his players, rather than in the system, then the human spirit is only limited by belief. At RFC they’ve mastered the art of illusion, and if they spent as much time on their players, as they do appeasing supporters, maybe we’d have something resembling a team, sooner rather than when the ‘premiership clock’ says we should have.
But the only people they are deluding now is themselves, because all this approach has served to do is eliminate the capacity for what the human spirit is capable of and replaced it with rhyme and reason. There is always an explanation, an excuse and a reason for any and all situations. No more does the human element play a part at RFC. It all comes down to logic, stats, facts, figures, reasons why it is not and why it is so.
For as long as their faith is placed in systems, processes and reason, rather than people, then the possibility for anything else to occur is nigh on impossible.
One then has to ask what is the purpose of professional sport, if it is not to inspire people; not with the expected, but with unexpected amazing feats, endeavours and human ingenuity and spirit? They are probably kidding themselves that they have people fooled, but they are the only real fools here, because they continue to fail, as a Club, to get the best out of players. And instead of directing their energies in the areas that need it most, they prefer to use their energies to deflect, divert attention and relieve the pressure whenever failure occurs.
What they say may make a whole lot of sense, but seriously, where is the balance and where in this oh so logical and reasoned place is the potential for anything other than what is logical to occur? What of the human element and the ability of humans to inspire through commitment, belief, determination, and shear will? Where is there room for any of that to occur, under the current circumstances and way of doing things?
Nowhere I say, but what choice is there other than to wait patiently until our ideal list materialises. Guess that is when we will start to see some coaching happen? Nope, nothing happening here for a while folks, probably 2011 I reckon.
Clearly, the faith at RFC is misplaced. It’s not where it should be. It’s in deflecting, diverting attention, systems, processes, the list; managing the list, getting the list to the right number of games and in the right age brackets, blah, blah, blah. We heard it the first time and understood, but when does achieving unexpected results, through coaching, come into things, like at other Clubs? They’re trying to tell us it’s not possible, even though it happens at other Clubs.
Added to that are the continual excuses and distancing from any responsibility when it comes to poor performances, which are a bit rich. The press conferences after games are a real eye opener, especially as TW seems to think that just by putting the onus on his players to perform that it will magically make them play better the next time or something. Got me beat how it hasn’t worked so far. There’s nothing like knowing your players and how to build their confidence and create a united team front. Nothing at all.
Very disappointing stuff from you TS, I thought you were a good supporter of this club.
Nah, just the same as everyone else on here, have a whinge for the sake of whinging.
Yep, the list problems, the getting the players from the right age group etc etc etc etc as you moan about here still exists. How do you suggest we get to your utopia world without the plan we have place at the moment.
You can't do it without it taking time.
But you go on and have your little sook like the rest of the people on here, offer nothing while you're blaming TW for everything including the drought ::)
Completely dismiss history and expect one man to rewrite it in a heart beat.
And to do it by making no mistakes along the way.
And spare us your thoughts on human spirit and all that other garbage you crap on about, it's just fairytales.
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its mistakes like giving away a very good pick for McMahon when we could have kept it and offered something substantially lesser that makes the supporters disappointed Moi.
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its mistakes like giving away a very good pick for McMahon when we could have kept it and offered something substantially lesser that makes the supporters disappointed Moi.
How can you make a judgement like that?
How do you know the player we might have picked up would be any better.
And if the draft is only 20 deep, what precisely have we really missed out on.
Is it just having picks for picks sake, to live in hope, or is to use them where deemed appropriate.
TW will live or die by these decisions, but he's the only one who has set down a plan - boring to some I know - but it's far better to someone like me who hated the club moving forward reacting to what supporters thought.
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How can you make a judgement like that?
How do you know the player we might have picked up would be any better.
Correct, Moi :thumbsup
Going by the number of 1st rd draft picks delisted this year, it indicates that it is likely that McMahon will prove to be a better bet.
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its mistakes like giving away a very good pick for McMahon when we could have kept it and offered something substantially lesser that makes the supporters disappointed Moi.
What's done is done and it has not been proved to be a mistake as yet no matter what anyone may suspect. Not a lot you or I can do about it now anyway. Time to get on with the important job of supporting which is where the noun "supporter" comes from. It is after all why we are all here.
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McMahon isnt worth $1,000,000 for 3 years and is greatly overated.
Another lightweight who is too easily brushed aside.
Opposition sides will play a taller forward in F 50 and thus you will see Jordon sitting on the bench for long periods.
Is extremely deficent overhead which is real problem with players who play in D 50.
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McMahon isnt worth $1,000,000 for 3 years and is greatly overated.
Another lightweight who is too easily brushed aside.
Opposition sides will play a taller forward in F 50 and thus you will see Jordon sitting on the bench for long periods.
Is extremely deficent overhead which is real problem with players who play in D 50.
Why are you bagging McMahon before he's even played a game for us?? I actually rate him and I think he will fill a void for us in the back line sweeping role. As far as your get brushed aside comment goes....Geezus!! Not every player has to be a friggin Micky Conlon!! :banghead :banghead McMahon is a speedy agile player with good disposal skills which compliments players like Polak, Thirsty & McGuane. You don't have to match every player for height as long as there is good defensive pressure. Every team more often than not will play at least 1-2 small forwards in a game. McMahon has not been employed as a KPP! So get off his case and let him play a couple of games for us before you start trashing him.
If he goes well for us, you will all be eating your words. If he doesn't perform??? Well at least I have a clear conscience in the fact that I have at least provided support and welcomed a new player to our club as all good SUPPORTERS should do. You bagged Polak from day one saying that you had inside info from Freo that he was no good and he would spend the majority of the time at Coburg. ::)
As for the cash....I couldn't give a fat frogs fanny what he's being payed as long as it fits in our player budget.
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Jury still out on Polak, one better than average year dont make a career, its not that he won the B&F with the bottom team, did he ::)Dogs supporters were glad to see the back of lighweight Jordon.
I dont rate him or guys like Ray for that matter
by the way, we have Raines and King too play on smalls. throw in Jackson and White
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Jury still out on Polak, one better than average year dont make a career, its not that he won the B&F with the bottom team, did he ::)Dogs supporters were glad to see the back of lighweight Jordon.
I dont rate him or guys like Ray for that matter
by the way, we have Raines and King too play on smalls. throw in Jackson and White
jury is out? thats funny.
At the start of the year he was not even play a game and he was going to a coburg player that no other club would want. Now the jury is out...mmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)
lets see 23 yr old 194cm can mark and quick and courageous, played every game and with a better training base and pre-season will play chb, chf and pinch hit in the ruck.
He is basically our most important player...structurally. But as is the jackstar way, dont let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Question
Have you kept your job at the bummers?
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You amaze Blaisee , always making person attacks at me, get over it mate.
I see Polak as a player who played well when he didnt have an opponent when he played loose man back ( actually played that role for several weeks). Thought he dropped away towards the end.
Lets see this year when the honeymoon period is over and he is made accountable..
Am working for a club next year, leave it at that
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u guys crack me up with your crap and personal attacks.
it seems some of you just love the old TW and thats fine, however there are some including myself who view his choices since he started at PUNT road as pathetic and not worth a cent.
For me its his choice of picking up kingsley and other duds. i would rather us fail with a youngster than pick him up or mcmahon to be honest. he is a lightweight and one of our BIGGEST problems is that area.
i watch us get brushed aside by the likes of barry hall(one game this year) and other big forwards and what do we do. Pick up lightweart mcmahon. give me a break please...
wallace just like he brought in bowden decides to bring this bloke in.
whose next jose romero back out of retirement!!
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u guys crack me up with your crap and personal attacks.
:lol
I actually liked the stuff about "supporters". Refreshing.
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my concern is that we gave away a top 20 pick in a draft that may only run 20 deep when we could have take Morton in the PSD and given the dogs 35 for McMahon. Who are we gonna take in the PSD? I believe my concern is a legitimate concern and I believe that giving away a top 20 pick for Jordan McMahon when it wasnt necessary was not the correct action.
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Well Jack, if the Jury is still out on Polak then why not extend the same courtesy to McMahon, especially since he hasn't even walked into the courtroom yet.
Ramps, Ive said this before, Port Adelaide were also after McMahon so maybe our hand was forced.
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Ramps, Ive said this before, Port Adelaide were also after McMahon so maybe our hand was forced.
We were never going to get McMahon for pick 35, and they needed to keep the PSD pick open, just in case.
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You amaze Blaisee , always making person attacks at me, get over it mate.
I see Polak as a player who played well when he didnt have an opponent when he played loose man back ( actually played that role for several weeks). Thought he dropped away towards the end.
Lets see this year when the honeymoon period is over and he is made accountable..
Am working for a club next year, leave it at that
So I take it your contract was not renewed at essendon ;)
interesting. Or are you sayig you knocked back a 3 year deal like sheeds did because you have been promised a job at tigerland
:scream :scream :scream :lol :lol :lol
This just gets better and better :clapping
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You amaze Blaisee , always making person attacks at me, get over it mate.
I see Polak as a player who played well when he didnt have an opponent when he played loose man back ( actually played that role for several weeks). Thought he dropped away towards the end.
Lets see this year when the honeymoon period is over and he is made accountable..
Am working for a club next year, leave it at that
So I take it your contract was not renewed at essendon ;)
interesting. Or are you sayig you knocked back a 3 year deal like sheeds did because you have been promised a job at tigerland
:scream :scream :scream :lol :lol :lol
This just gets better and better :clapping
:rollin
Its sounds like you want a job in the AFL Blaisee.?
I have the ideal job for you, cleaning Wallace and Millers shoes, sounds like you have already started :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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u guys crack me up with your crap and personal attacks.
it seems some of you just love the old TW and thats fine, however there are some including myself who view his choices since he started at PUNT road as pathetic and not worth a cent.
For me its his choice of picking up kingsley and other duds. i would rather us fail with a youngster than pick him up or mcmahon to be honest. he is a lightweight and one of our BIGGEST problems is that area.
i watch us get brushed aside by the likes of barry hall(one game this year) and other big forwards and what do we do. Pick up lightweart mcmahon. give me a break please...
wallace just like he brought in bowden decides to bring this bloke in.
whose next jose romero back out of retirement!!
I am with you Daniel!
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Jury still out on Polak, one better than average year dont make a career, its not that he won the B&F with the bottom team, did he ::)Dogs supporters were glad to see the back of lighweight Jordon.
I dont rate him or guys like Ray for that matter
by the way, we have Raines and King too play on smalls. throw in Jackson and White
jury is out? thats funny.
At the start of the year he was not even play a game and he was going to a coburg player that no other club would want. Now the jury is out...mmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)
lets see 23 yr old 194cm can mark and quick and courageous, played every game and with a better training base and pre-season will play chb, chf and pinch hit in the ruck.
He is basically our most important player...structurally. But as is the jackstar way, dont let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Reality Check for you Blaisee. These are the facts
Couldnt get a game for in the finals the year before for Freo.
Of cause he is going to get game for the wooden spooners ::) ::) ::)
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You amaze Blaisee , always making person attacks at me, get over it mate.
I see Polak as a player who played well when he didnt have an opponent when he played loose man back ( actually played that role for several weeks). Thought he dropped away towards the end.
Lets see this year when the honeymoon period is over and he is made accountable..
Am working for a club next year, leave it at that
So I take it your contract was not renewed at essendon ;)
interesting. Or are you sayig you knocked back a 3 year deal like sheeds did because you have been promised a job at tigerland
:scream :scream :scream :lol :lol :lol
This just gets better and better :clapping
:rollin
Its sounds like you want a job in the AFL Blaisee.?
I have the ideal job for you, cleaning Wallace and Millers shoes, sounds like you have already started :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
hilarious
almost as funny as saying that sheedy knocked back the demons job because he was promised the richmond one
delusional is probably closer to the truth, lying is probably the most accurate way of explaining it
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Cut out the personal crap :banghead ::) and stick to the topic people!
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Cut out the personal crap :banghead ::) and stick to the topic people!
Agree! :thumbsup
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Cut out the personal crap :banghead ::) and stick to the topic people!
Agree! :thumbsup
Of course you would, precious.
All right though if you bag the club incessantly with your own personal agendas.
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Cut out the personal crap :banghead ::) and stick to the topic people!
Agree! :thumbsup
Of course you would, precious.
All right though if you bag the club incessantly with your own personal agendas.
I only state facts. Are you disputing the fact that Polak coulndt get a game in Freo finals team.. Let me know how Jordon McMahon is going by round 12. ::)
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ur not wrong mate. some people here accept failure and are in denial that this team is no where near where it should be and i aint talking about future draft picks. im talking about the players we do have are not going to take us into the 8. almost guarantee that.
once richo goes god help us. everyone bags the bombers cause there got no one once hird went but seriously who do we have.
what sugar our captain. please. i cant believe no one talks about his position as captain
we didnt have a chance with him as captain. if we r down by 50 points at half time i can honestly say that he wouldnt be putting his hand up to fight us back. he is as weak as some of the posts on this forum
its always richo, richo and richo
forget about our youth for a second does anyone think this senior team will get us into top 4. i dont.
too many passengers in this team not enough fighters.
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You're a real trailblazer, Daniel, pioneer of our time ::)
No one here has ever discussed Johnston :rollin
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Cut out the personal crap :banghead ::) and stick to the topic people!
Agree! :thumbsup
Of course you would, precious.
All right though if you bag the club incessantly with your own personal agendas.
I only state facts. Are you disputing the fact that Polak coulndt get a game in Freo finals team.. Let me know how Jordon McMahon is going by round 12. ::)
is this the same round that sheeds takes over. :thumbsup
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ur not wrong mate. some people here accept failure and are in denial that this team is no where near where it should be and i aint talking about future draft picks. im talking about the players we do have are not going to take us into the 8. almost guarantee that.
once richo goes god help us. everyone bags the bombers cause there got no one once hird went but seriously who do we have.
what sugar our captain. please. i cant believe no one talks about his position as captain
we didnt have a chance with him as captain. if we r down by 50 points at half time i can honestly say that he wouldnt be putting his hand up to fight us back. he is as weak as some of the posts on this forum
its always richo, richo and richo
forget about our youth for a second does anyone think this senior team will get us into top 4. i dont.
too many passengers in this team not enough fighters.
Totally agree once again
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You're a real trailblazer, Daniel, pioneer of our time ::)
No one here has ever discussed Johnston :rollin
There you go Moi.
Johnston is one of the biggest problems we have.
We should start discussing our Captain as Daniels comments are spot on about him.
Worst captain in the AFL.
I am just waiting for the replies, bagging Jackstar for stating the obvious. :o
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i know no one has discussed him and im sorry that you cant handle it but i draw relevance here because if wallace goes next year this guy should NOT be captain of our team.
but i really believe if u want to know how a club is going look at their captain. johnson, whitnall etc etc
johnson in my opinion is the worst performing cap in the league, second only to whitnall..
he is not a LEADER and it clearly hasnt worked. we need a leader and bowden would be better than this poser we have leading our team. i watch him closely every week and by god we would've clearly won 2 or 3 more games if we had a better leader on field. i think even one game against the lions he threw the game away with his pathetic disposal.
great captain. no worries pal
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i thought this was a wallace thread?
lets not hijack it with another player assasination :banghead
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i thought this was a wallace thread?
lets not hijack it with another player assasination :banghead
Daniel would even hijack a thread about Queen Elizabeth, for instance, in order to bash the club, coach, Miller, or most players. While he breathes, he knocks. There's no balance there, only negative opinion. He talks about others talking crap, when he himself should change his nick to "Kenny".
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i thought this was a wallace thread?
lets not hijack it with another player assasination :banghead
Daniel would even hijack a thread about Queen Elizabeth, for instance, in order to bash the club, coach, Miller, or most players. While he breathes, he knocks. There's no balance there, only negative opinion. He talks about others talking crap, when he himself should change his nick to "Kenny".
Seem to be onto something there Gordon, some peoples posts tend run the same old same old lines.
Its easy to join all the dots together, not unlike another tiger site that i visit sometimes, mind you i tend to not post there much anymore as it gets quite repetitve.
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its mistakes like giving away a very good pick for McMahon when we could have kept it and offered something substantially lesser that makes the supporters disappointed Moi.
How can you make a judgement like that?
How do you know the player we might have picked up would be any better.
And if the draft is only 20 deep, what precisely have we really missed out on.
Is it just having picks for picks sake, to live in hope, or is to use them where deemed appropriate.
TW will live or die by these decisions, but he's the only one who has set down a plan - boring to some I know - but it's far better to someone like me who hated the club moving forward reacting to what supporters thought.
Our own past history of doing these sort of trades as well as of other clubs who topped up (Freo, St K) would say it's a misguided strategy. It leaves you with the missing age-bracket we have now and you may miss out on more talented footballers that win games of footy for you. If we are on a 2011+ success timeframe then picking up a 24 year old who'll be 28+ by then doesn't make sense to me especially as he doesn't alleviate any of our major deficiencies - onball (both in quality and quantity), in the ruck and at full back. McMahon is a HBFer. The only thing I can think of is the Club expects a Rainesy, Newy and/or Kingy to push into the midfield next year and become the quality ballwinners and clearance winners we desperately need alongside Foley while McMahon takes their place.
It's true Moi, the kid we could have got at pick 19 may have flopped but it's not about just one pick. It's about playing the percentages. It's about bringing through more and more kids each year via a number of picks knowing the better the pick the better the odds of the kid making it and the more kids the better the chance of finding star players. By trading away a good pick, it comes across as the Club lacking faith in its recruiting/scouting/spotting processes, believing it "safer" to trade for a known quantity than drafting a "unknown" kid.
The secret to the draft IMHO is keeping hold of your good picks and then if possible trying to trade for more decent picks so you're adding better quality young footballers each year; Not trading away good picks and ending up with less especially when we're in full rebuilding mode. If we trade away and limit the number of picks and hence the number of kids we draft then we become more and more reliant on every kid we recruit to make it which is unrealistic. It leaves holes in your list in 5-10 years time. We also limit the chance of developing our own star players. This year will be the 22nd draft so the Club should know how it all works by now.
This isn't meant to be a whinge but just my opinion on good/bad recruiting practices. Having now said that McMahon will probably win our B&F lol.
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i thought this was a wallace thread?
lets not hijack it with another player assasination :banghead
Daniel would even hijack a thread about Queen Elizabeth, for instance, in order to bash the club, coach, Miller, or most players. While he breathes, he knocks. There's no balance there, only negative opinion. He talks about others talking crap, when he himself should change his nick to "Kenny".
u want balance i just wish your at a richmond game with me when i see richo try his heart out for this team and others like K.J just stand by and watch.
only negative opinion u say..why?? cause i bag the coach, miller and our captain.
credit when credit is due richo i love that bloke and what he does for this team and if only wallace, miller and K.J had 5% of his attitude we may be a top 4 team.
he bleeds for this team while the others, it seems just collect their pay cheques
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i know no one has discussed him and im sorry that you cant handle it but i draw relevance here because if wallace goes next year this guy should NOT be captain of our team.
You're as thick as Jack - do we have to hit you in the face with sarcasm lol
Back to the topic :rollin
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u want balance i just wish your at a richmond game with me when i see richo try his heart out for this team and others like K.J just stand by and watch.
only negative opinion u say..why?? cause i bag the coach, miller and our captain.
credit when credit is due richo i love that bloke and what he does for this team and if only wallace, miller and K.J had 5% of his attitude we may be a top 4 team.
he bleeds for this team while the others, it seems just collect their pay cheques
I don't think we'd enjoy each other's company "at a Richmond game".
You just don't stop your bagging, that's the problem. It seems to be in every post you do. By the way,you also bag the club, and many of the players. Too many.
Is it too much to ask that supporters, on the whole, actually support the club?
Okay Kenny, you gave some praise to Richo, so I'll change it in the future to "almost always negative opinion". Now it's up to you to make me modify it even further.
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All I know is that if history repeats itself Terry's call on 2011 may be one of the greatest ever calls.
1963 Cats win flag 4 years later Tigers come back from the abyss to win a flag.
2007 Cats win flag -2011 who knows??
Lightning may strike twice.
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u want balance i just wish your at a richmond game with me when i see richo try his heart out for this team and others like K.J just stand by and watch.
only negative opinion u say..why?? cause i bag the coach, miller and our captain.
credit when credit is due richo i love that bloke and what he does for this team and if only wallace, miller and K.J had 5% of his attitude we may be a top 4 team.
he bleeds for this team while the others, it seems just collect their pay cheques
I don't think we'd enjoy each other's company "at a Richmond game".
You just don't stop your bagging, that's the problem. It seems to be in every post you do. By the way,you also bag the club, and many of the players. Too many.
Is it too much to ask that supporters, on the whole, actually support the club?
Okay Kenny, you gave some praise to Richo, so I'll change it in the future to "almost always negative opinion". Now it's up to you to make me modify it even further.
Hey Gordo.
Its not that we won the flag this year so you would expect some bagging wouldnt you?
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u want balance i just wish your at a richmond game with me when i see richo try his heart out for this team and others like K.J just stand by and watch.
only negative opinion u say..why?? cause i bag the coach, miller and our captain.
credit when credit is due richo i love that bloke and what he does for this team and if only wallace, miller and K.J had 5% of his attitude we may be a top 4 team.
he bleeds for this team while the others, it seems just collect their pay cheques
I don't think we'd enjoy each other's company "at a Richmond game".
You just don't stop your bagging, that's the problem. It seems to be in every post you do. By the way,you also bag the club, and many of the players. Too many.
Is it too much to ask that supporters, on the whole, actually support the club?
Okay Kenny, you gave some praise to Richo, so I'll change it in the future to "almost always negative opinion". Now it's up to you to make me modify it even further.
listen up gordon.
u seem to think i bag everyone at the club, well ur full of it.
here are a list of players whom i respect and really believe try their gutz out on the field
foley
king
richo
patto
troy
browny
thursfield
newman
raines
lids
i may have left out a few
big ??? about our captain, tambling
im sorry if u dont like my opinion about the last 2 well good onya pal i couldnt give a rats.
can any of you actually repeat here that you actually think sugar has lead this team in the right direction cause i cetainly dont.
ill repeat if wallace goes he should go as well. at least the captaincy taken off him
now the folliwng u wont like
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u want balance i just wish your at a richmond game with me when i see richo try his heart out for this team and others like K.J just stand by and watch.
only negative opinion u say..why?? cause i bag the coach, miller and our captain.
credit when credit is due richo i love that bloke and what he does for this team and if only wallace, miller and K.J had 5% of his attitude we may be a top 4 team.
he bleeds for this team while the others, it seems just collect their pay cheques
I don't think we'd enjoy each other's company "at a Richmond game".
You just don't stop your bagging, that's the problem. It seems to be in every post you do. By the way,you also bag the club, and many of the players. Too many.
Is it too much to ask that supporters, on the whole, actually support the club?
Okay Kenny, you gave some praise to Richo, so I'll change it in the future to "almost always negative opinion". Now it's up to you to make me modify it even further.
Hey Gordo.
Its not that we won the flag this year so you would expect some bagging wouldnt you?
Except you were bagging before a ball was bounced.
Pull the other one!
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u want balance i just wish your at a richmond game with me when i see richo try his heart out for this team and others like K.J just stand by and watch.
only negative opinion u say..why?? cause i bag the coach, miller and our captain.
credit when credit is due richo i love that bloke and what he does for this team and if only wallace, miller and K.J had 5% of his attitude we may be a top 4 team.
he bleeds for this team while the others, it seems just collect their pay cheques
I don't think we'd enjoy each other's company "at a Richmond game".
You just don't stop your bagging, that's the problem. It seems to be in every post you do. By the way,you also bag the club, and many of the players. Too many.
Is it too much to ask that supporters, on the whole, actually support the club?
Okay Kenny, you gave some praise to Richo, so I'll change it in the future to "almost always negative opinion". Now it's up to you to make me modify it even further.
Hey Gordo.
Its not that we won the flag this year so you would expect some bagging wouldnt you?
Except you were bagging before a ball was bounced.
Pull the other one!
Thats right MOI! The writing was on the wall before round 1 this year.
If you have a look back, I posted that we wouldnt win agame for the first ten rounds this year, guess what.?
After looking at the draw for 2008, we will get our pants ""Pulled own"" against the blues. Fev will kick a bag and we will get beat.
I can see us winning one or two games in the first 12 round. thats reality.
If you can explain how and why the tigers can win more than that, I am all ears! Oh Yeah, Captain Dud will lead by example ::) ::) ::)
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captain dud i like that one.
come on jack dont be harsh im sure he leads by example. im sure i see him in the middle of the pack when we are 50 points down revving up the players. im sure i see him kick straight thru the sticks when we need a goal most.
im sure he doesnt kick it right into opposition hands most games.
he is the worst captain in the afl bar none now that big red has gone and i will argue the point with any of you on this thread.
he and wallace go hand in hand
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Quote from: Jackstar on June 30, 2004, 10:54:14 pm
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Just my thoughts MT although this could be a common opinion within.
Seems someone was advocating him for the captain.
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u want balance i just wish your at a richmond game with me when i see richo try his heart out for this team and others like K.J just stand by and watch.
only negative opinion u say..why?? cause i bag the coach, miller and our captain.
credit when credit is due richo i love that bloke and what he does for this team and if only wallace, miller and K.J had 5% of his attitude we may be a top 4 team.
he bleeds for this team while the others, it seems just collect their pay cheques
I don't think we'd enjoy each other's company "at a Richmond game".
You just don't stop your bagging, that's the problem. It seems to be in every post you do. By the way,you also bag the club, and many of the players. Too many.
Is it too much to ask that supporters, on the whole, actually support the club?
Okay Kenny, you gave some praise to Richo, so I'll change it in the future to "almost always negative opinion". Now it's up to you to make me modify it even further.
Hey Gordo.
Its not that we won the flag this year so you would expect some bagging wouldnt you?
Except you were bagging before a ball was bounced.
Pull the other one!
Thats right MOI! The writing was on the wall before round 1 this year.
If you have a look back, I posted that we wouldnt win agame for the first ten rounds this year, guess what.?
After looking at the draw for 2008, we will get our pants ""Pulled own"" against the blues. Fev will kick a bag and we will get beat.
I can see us winning one or two games in the first 12 round. thats reality.
If you can explain how and why the tigers can win more than that, I am all ears! Oh Yeah, Captain Dud will lead by example ::) ::) ::)
You wait till the club has stripped nearly all experience from its ranks and then attack. It's fairly predictable when you're building from the bottom up you're going to have a year or so lean years. What's worse about you, is you know your footy and surely would realise it. Just cowardly IMO!
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Quote from: Jackstar on June 30, 2004, 10:54:14 pm
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Just my thoughts MT although this could be a common opinion within.
Seems someone was advocating him for the captain.
Excellent work Roger3. You know how to us ethe search function. ::)
He is a terrible captain, that can not be denied
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u want balance i just wish your at a richmond game with me when i see richo try his heart out for this team and others like K.J just stand by and watch.
only negative opinion u say..why?? cause i bag the coach, miller and our captain.
credit when credit is due richo i love that bloke and what he does for this team and if only wallace, miller and K.J had 5% of his attitude we may be a top 4 team.
he bleeds for this team while the others, it seems just collect their pay cheques
I don't think we'd enjoy each other's company "at a Richmond game".
You just don't stop your bagging, that's the problem. It seems to be in every post you do. By the way,you also bag the club, and many of the players. Too many.
Is it too much to ask that supporters, on the whole, actually support the club?
Okay Kenny, you gave some praise to Richo, so I'll change it in the future to "almost always negative opinion". Now it's up to you to make me modify it even further.
Hey Gordo.
Its not that we won the flag this year so you would expect some bagging wouldnt you?
Except you were bagging before a ball was bounced.
Pull the other one!
Thats right MOI! The writing was on the wall before round 1 this year.
If you have a look back, I posted that we wouldnt win agame for the first ten rounds this year, guess what.?
After looking at the draw for 2008, we will get our pants ""Pulled own"" against the blues. Fev will kick a bag and we will get beat.
I can see us winning one or two games in the first 12 round. thats reality.
If you can explain how and why the tigers can win more than that, I am all ears! Oh Yeah, Captain Dud will lead by example ::) ::) ::)
You wait till the club has stripped nearly all experience from its ranks and then attack. It's fairly predictable when you're building from the bottom up you're going to have a year or so lean years. What's worse about you, is you know your footy and surely would realise it. Just cowardly IMO!
Hey Moi.
I would of let the experince stay for 2007.
There was no harm in keeping Gas and Andrew Kellaway on.
Now this will cause a debate. lol.
As for lean years MOI, we have been lean for 26 years now.lol
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By the way MOI, you mention cowardly,, I told them to there face and they didnt like it, well bad luck, the truth hurts
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By the way MOI, you mention cowardly,, I told them to there face and they didnt like it, well bad luck, the truth hurts
What did you tell them?
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Told them they need Micky McGaune :thumbsup
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I bet you told them Clinton King was a champion lol
:help
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You just dont realise, Clinton King and Steven Sziller were important parts of the RFC.
If you dont beleive, its factual as it is on Video, have a look! 2001
Now we have all these soft ( Zone off Types)players (yes we just recruited another one,) welcome Jordon ,who cant win there ""own "" ball. there lies the problem.
Why have the swans been so good for a number of years ? Answer, they have players who can win the own ball and are extremely well coached.-not many stars either
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Quote from: Jackstar on June 30, 2004, 10:54:14 pm
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Just my thoughts MT although this could be a common opinion within.
Seems someone was advocating him for the captain.
Excellent work Roger3. You know how to us ethe search function. ::)
He is a terrible captain, that can not be denied
But you advocated him as a future captain, well it seems you did.
You are the one always questioning the decisions made and tearing shreds at those who make these decisions.
Ah yes i can use the search function its amazing what you find once you start digging. ;)
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You just dont realise, Clinton King and Steven Sziller were important parts of the RFC.
If you dont beleive, its factual as it is on Video, have a look! 2001
Now we have all these soft ( Zone off Types)players (yes we just recruited another one,) welcome Jordon ,who cant win there ""own "" ball. there lies the problem.
Why have the swans been so good for a number of years ? Answer, they have players who can win the own ball and are extremely well coached.-not many stars either
ur kidding yourself right. this guy is not a captain. i wouldve said that last year and year b4 when he won b&f.
bowden or richo true richmond people should be our leader not this chump who cant even kick more than 30 metres
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You just dont realise, Clinton King and Steven Sziller were important parts of the RFC.
If you dont beleive, its factual as it is on Video, have a look! 2001
Now we have all these soft ( Zone off Types)players (yes we just recruited another one,) welcome Jordon ,who cant win there ""own "" ball. there lies the problem.
Why have the swans been so good for a number of years ? Answer, they have players who can win the own ball and are extremely well coached.-not many stars either
I didn't mind them myself lol
But 2001 was 6 years ago - ancient history, Jack!
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You just dont realise, Clinton King and Steven Sziller were important parts of the RFC.
If you dont beleive, its factual as it is on Video, have a look! 2001
Now we have all these soft ( Zone off Types)players (yes we just recruited another one,) welcome Jordon ,who cant win there ""own "" ball. there lies the problem.
Why have the swans been so good for a number of years ? Answer, they have players who can win the own ball and are extremely well coached.-not many stars either
I didn't mind them myself lol
But 2001 was 6 years ago - ancient history, Jack!
Sziller was good, tough and head down :thumbsup
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I would of let the experince stay for 2007.
There was no harm in keeping Gas and Andrew Kellaway on.
Now this will cause a debate. lol.
As for lean years MOI, we have been lean for 26 years now.lol
The current crop had nothing to do with the past quarter of a decade so it's an irrelevant point.
Gas played the first 5 games of the year and we still lost them all. Two defenders ain't gonna be much help when the problems are in the ruck and midfield. Better off getting games in the kids than persisting with old players that will only deny cubs gametime and get in the way of their develpment. One of the few things we did right offloading both in the end. If Gas and Chubba had played we may have won 6 or 7 games at best instead of 3.5 and missed out on a freebie priority pick. Yep they would have both made a huge difference ???.
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I've never rated Johnson as a captain and his skills are slow and quite often ineffective. However, I will say that he does try his guts out for the team and is a pretty good tagger but we can't have players anymore that are only good at one thing.
Jack, I am still keen to find out what your RFC blueprint for success is?? Well that is if you have one...Might be good to hear something constructive for a change.
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i agree tiga. a good tagger he maybe but he aint no cameron ling is he or kane cornes.
he may shut down a player as best he can but the ball that he does get he just shoots it straight into opposition hands. not what a captain should do.
my blue print. if we have another bad year captaincy should go elsewhere to lids or foley.
how can we be treated seriously if our captain cant lead us to a win week in week out.
he is barely in our top ten players. not good enough!!
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Quote from: Jackstar on June 30, 2004, 10:54:14 pm
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Re: Next Captain
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2004, 11:04:43 pm » Quote
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Just my thoughts MT although this could be a common opinion within.
Seems someone was advocating him for the captain.
well done rog :thumbsup
if you keep looking you will find more stuff
stuff like tambling will be better than lids
stuff like sheeds knocked back a 3 year deal with the demons because he was promised the richmond job. :rollin
seems like with advise like jacks no-wonder the club is in the poo
now with him gone, things are looking up :whistle
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Good on you Blaisee
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Good on you Blaisee
great comeback jack
thanks for your support and the great support you are giving the RFC
Good to see you are not burning any bridges :thumbsup
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mate , have been a supporter all my life, always have and always will :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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mate , have been a supporter all my life, always have and always will :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Dunno why, nothing about the club pleases you! ::)
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im sorry if this offends but wallace is a joke
this year it was 2011 we will be ready and now its if we dont make the finals in 08 we have failed.
he doesnt know what he wants or expects from this team.
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Plough said going by the ages of the playing list 2011 should be the time we start on a sustained period in the finals; not the first sign of finals. The thing he said wrong was 2007 would be a holding pattern. He obviously wasn't counting on injuries and poor form from our senior players who let us down badly.
In any case, to borrow a soccer phrase, football is a results business. Win a few early games and the media will be hunting after someone else to fry; lose a few and the heat will be on no matter what the excuse. It's the fickle nature of footy - people love you when you're winning and hate you when you're losing.
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Plough said going by the ages of the playing list 2011 should be the time we start on a sustained period in the finals; not the first sign of finals. The thing he said wrong was 2007 would be a holding pattern. He obviously wasn't counting on injuries and poor form from our senior players who let us down badly.
In any case, to borrow a soccer phrase, football is a results business. Win a few early games and the media will be hunting after someone else to fry; lose a few and the heat will be on no matter what the excuse. It's the fickle nature of footy - people love you when you're winning and hate you when you're losing.
that's why i reckon we should be supporting our club to the death. the media are doing a good enough job of sinking in the boots without the fans turning on the club as well :banghead
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Plough said going by the ages of the playing list 2011 should be the time we start on a sustained period in the finals; not the first sign of finals. The thing he said wrong was 2007 would be a holding pattern. He obviously wasn't counting on injuries and poor form from our senior players who let us down badly.
In any case, to borrow a soccer phrase, football is a results business. Win a few early games and the media will be hunting after someone else to fry; lose a few and the heat will be on no matter what the excuse. It's the fickle nature of footy - people love you when you're winning and hate you when you're losing.
that's why i reckon we should be supporting our club to the death. the media are doing a good enough job of sinking in the boots without the fans turning on the club as well :banghead
Constructive criticism is fine though. It's repetitive bagging no matter what the Club does on or off field that gets :sleep.
If and when we finally do start delivering on-field I reckon there's going to be massive rise in support for us that may surprise people. Sure there'll be the bandwagon element but even at games this year it felt as though Tiger supporters were urging the team to give them something to get right behind them. We still had the 3rd highest crowds overall. Deep down most of us are a pretty loyal bunch even if we're feral lol. Never again I want to see us put in the situation North now find themselves in.